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Fri Feb 15 2019 4:52 pm EST

HOSPO.... I totally get your point of view, but it's kind of a bogus analogy.If I or pretty much anyone else here were getting replaced by someone younger, we would be losing our jobs. We wouldn't get that choice. If Hank stays, agrees to a trade or is bought out, he still get's to keep his millions of dollars. How many of us could ever say that? ...ALSO: I use the BRIAN LEETCH example as a measuring stick. Sather said he wouldn't trade Leetch unless he first got his blessing (and he didn't have a NMC). Leetch never wanted to leave NY or move his family elsewhere. Leetch was a team guy first and he got that the NYR were rebuilding and that his being traded could help the organization in the long run. That was a total class act. The guy was a team player until the very end. In my eyes, Henrik Lundqvist FAILED the Brian Leetch test.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 15 2019 3:50 pm EST

RHET - I know you wrote that to E but..would you or anybody in their job just step aside and say "i'm done" if your company brought in a younger person to take on the same duties as you? or would you fight for your life to keep the job you love and/or pays the bills?...Where I agree with you is on what the Rangers have to do..it's up to them to give the "heir apparent" a true shot no matter what The King thinks and let their play decide what happens next

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 3:19 pm EST

E... A lot of the beat guys, fans and bloggers have been painting it so. If he's going to be that team guy, he has to be willing to step aside when the heir apparent get's here next season ...tracerm... Unless he falls flat on his face, why would we ever send Shesterkin to the AHL. When Hank came over from Sweden, he was given the opportunity to make the team in his first season. Igor should be given the same chance. He is our future and that future should start right away, not when Hank is ready to retire. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 15 2019 3:08 pm EST

Rf4L - That's the problem, you can only guess..None of us know or ever will..The only people that KNOW or should know why he makes whatever decision he does is Lundqvist and his wife..Nobody else or their opinions matter

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 3:07 pm EST

I would like to see Shesterkin move to the AHL next season, get some quality starts. This guy has been incredible in the KHL this season.

tracerm


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:59 pm EST

RHET: to be sure I don’t think Lundqvist was being noble. He is doing what was best for his interests as he sees them.

E


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:55 pm EST

The below was from a Ryan Rishaug tweet.

Bob


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:54 pm EST

Oilers had discussion with Markus Lehto, agent for Jesse Puljujarvi today. Team is open to trading him if a proper return can be found, and in the meantime an AHL stint to help boost offence and confidence is being considered. No decisions yet.

Bob


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:51 pm EST

rf4l he probably cares about the cup more than the nyr brain rust does and ever will .....they are making money either way.....

stevielegs


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:43 pm EST

And of course Lundqvist has the right to exercise the NMC to his liking. I guess that's more important to him than winning a cup. I find it befuddling given how much is written and said about his highly competitive spirit. Then again, perhaps he puts a world championship and Olympic gold on higher pedestals and really doesn't care much about the Stanley Cup...

rF4l


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:37 pm EST

Indeed that NMC is another short-sighted piece of work courtesy of the Nob for Life. It should have been a limited NMC where he lists like 10 teams he cannot be traded to. Is that nob still involved in key decisions??

rF4l


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:26 pm EST

That's a very selfish and noble post.....

mf


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:22 pm EST

RHET - I dont see it as having anything to do with being "noble" or "selfish" or "putting oneself first".....every single NHL player would love the right that only few have earned-- to decide where they live and work, rather then being forced or told to go live somewhere else.....It's a business/life choice..Only fans foolishly act like it's selfish or noble hockey decision..All falls on Ranger Management for giving the NMC, nobody else..

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:22 pm EST

If I were in hanks skates I would probably do and say the same things. Both sides signed that binding contract. Somebody had to give the middle finger to the gm , and he did it. I second that emotion.

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:21 pm EST

Rhet - most likely NYR has one of the tiebreakers locked up: ROW. We have a league low 18. Even OTT has 21 for chrissakes.

limbo


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:19 pm EST

Rhet: With the proper trades we should have a shot at 2nd underall. :)

Ranger47


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:17 pm EST

I would not be surprised if Hank is doing this for his family/personal life. He and his family are probably happy with the NY lifestyle and with easy access to Sweden. Better for him to stay one more year and consider a trade at the deadline next year where he will only be gone from his family for several months with one final chance at a Cup run elsewhere.

Ranger47


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:14 pm EST

NHL Standings.... For those of you playing along at home, we fell to the 8th seed overall last night. We're also three points out of 4TH, four points out of 3RD and six points out of 2ND.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:09 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug Twitter-Oilers had discussion with Markus Lehto, agent for Jesse Puljujarvi today. Team is open to trading him if a proper return can be found, and in the meantime an AHL stint to help boost offence and confidence is being considered. No decisions yet.

tlats


Fri Feb 15 2019 2:06 pm EST

E... We can act like Hank was being all noble to stay in NY or we can look at how it really happened ... The NYR did not go to HANK, tell him they were rebuilding and ask him if he wanted to stay.... They went to HANK and asked him to waive his NMC and he refused. The organization then put a positive spin on it. Some would say that that's a player being selfish and putting himself first. I guess it all depends on your point of view.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 15 2019 1:37 pm EST

FWIW, I know some don't agree because of all the ex-Rangers there but I'm pulling for Tampa to win the cup because that draft pick becomes the 31st overall (vs what would like be the mid-50s at best). SJ is my sentimental 2nd favourite (because they've been competitive for so long).

rF4l


Fri Feb 15 2019 1:18 pm EST

Jones was awesome in the playoffs for SJ in the past but he is definitely a rung below the top performers. But I think it’s fair criticism to ask what Jones are you gonna get? If on paper we analyze teams strengths and weaknesses amongst the contenders I’d say that it’s fair to question SJ goaltending. Possibly the only weak link that they have considering how skilled they are everywhere else.

E


Fri Feb 15 2019 1:09 pm EST

Todd Milewski ‏ Verified account @ToddMilewski Follow Follow @ToddMilewski More #Badgers leading scorer K'Andre Miller probably will miss next weekend's series at Penn State as well. He might be able to return for the final weekend of the regular season but the more likely scenario is the first round of the playoffs.

RDW


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:57 pm EST

I would be surprised if San Jose wins the cup with Martin Jones in the net. I see him a lot, and he has not demonstrated the ability to be a Fleury or Vasilevskiy when the club gives up chances.

Bob


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:45 pm EST

MF: I have been hoping the Rangers would trade him for the last several weeks. He is history anyway. Watch him get traded on Saturday after screwing up this question for both of us.....

Vic


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:20 pm EST

Damn, I’m actually winning at something. I’ll take my victories where I can find them.

E


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:10 pm EST

I'm sending Tonya Harding to visit Brendan Smith

mf


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:07 pm EST

RF4L - One thing is that HAYES and ZUCC, who's main strength is playmaking, are different types of players than the ones you mentioned (and I like Simmonds and Ferland)....Different teams will need different types of players..we'll see

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:07 pm EST

Gents all correct, however, have we uncovered a better option of getting something for our UFA's and then revisit signing them at the end of the season? To be perfectly open and sincere, I did not see the damage and costs of the consecutive trading away of top round picks like I do now; wouldn't a similar result occur if we consistently pass on getting returns for our UFA's in years when we are NOT making the Playoff's? .. Some chips are better than no chips

mf


Fri Feb 15 2019 12:06 pm EST

Just thought I would throw out an update on the Texas Pick'em pool. At this point in the season E has a solid lead with 18 correct. He is 3 ahead of MF and NYSTRANGER who have 15 correct. If SMITH is in the lineup tonight that will be his 40th game. That will change an answer and drop MF down to 3rd with 14 while moving NYSTRANGER up to 2nd with 16 correct.

Vic


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:50 am EST

It's the Senator twins holding things up. They are the prize assets out there (and perhaps Panarin but is he truly available?). After that Simmonds and Ferland but are they actually available? I put Hayes and MZA up there with those 2...

rF4l


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:46 am EST

You generally get the best return for Deadline deals, the week before or the week of the Trade Deadline. The NYR have also historically made most of their deals the week of. Sometimes teams tend to get more desparate or have an injury at that timne and it drives the price up.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:46 am EST

Strangely. I truly believe Lundqvist is of his word. He has no intention of ever playing anywhere else in the NHL. I’ll tell you right now, that SJ would love to add Lundqvist for their cup run. They’ve had some hiccups in net and they are in the short window to win a cup right now. It’s gotta be this year or next at the latest.

E


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:44 am EST

I agree Zucc should have been moved last year but Hayes has increased his value with his play this year....

PJ


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:32 am EST

VIC - Yeah, I have mentioned that about the 10-15 sellers and the impact it could have on prices..Gotta hope that teams re-up their guys..You know, like the Rangers should have done with Hayes..:)..But..still..the Rangers should be able to do OK with their three top UFAs like they did with Nash and Holden last year..Hopefully..

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 11:02 am EST

HOSPO: You know I totally agree with you that the Rangers should have dealt HAYES and MZA much sooner. Both because of what it would have done to help this team get into the top 3 picks this year, and for what they could have gotten in return. My fear is that more and more GMs are waking up. They are going to be sellers unless they know already that they have a strong playoff team. And that means a lot of guys up for grabs at the deadline decrease what the Rangers may get in return for the guys they are going to trade away. On the HANK issue, who knows. If it were me I would have wanted out last year so that I had a chance to win a Cup in my career. That is NEVER going to happen with the Rangers for HANK. He has to know that. He is going to be long retired before this organization wins another Cup.

Vic


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:54 am EST

Rf4L - True, but that would have been one more month of him playing on the worst team in the league..It accumulates and weighs a person down (bt also agree it is not likely)...Plus, it would have made the Tank Squad happier also..

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:47 am EST

Hospo: If trading away Hayes and MZA result in the King relinquishing his stance about always being a Ranger it's less important when vs him having that epiphany. If he does, he can be moved at the draft. Alas, I don't see it happening...

rf4L


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:11 am EST

That makes sense, and will probably result in the Rangers getting a mid round and a 7th round pick if they move McQuaid. If they get a 3rd for him, it is probably worth sacrificing the 7th.

Bob


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:09 am EST

CM - didnt know that! Maybe deals like that are why 7th rounders fly all over the place!

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:08 am EST

If the Rangers are going to trade Hayes and ZUCC, they screwed up in not doing it sooner..Not only for the Lose for Hughes crowd but,who knows, maybe if The KING had an extra month of playing on a Ranger teaam without those two, he MIGHT have realized the situation he will be in for the rest of his starting goalie careeer...Yeah, he says he's a Ranger forever but nothing beats reality to change those feelings ..OTOH, if winning a Cup is secondary for him compared to being The King of New York (apoligies to Christopher Walken) it doesnt matter..and the latter is probably true

Hospo


Fri Feb 15 2019 10:05 am EST

So you guys knew this, right? I didn't: *Conditions: If McQuaid plays in at least 25 games in the 2018-19 season OR if the Rangers trade McQuaid at any point during the 2018-19 season, Bruins will also receive a 7th round pick in 2019.

ColoradoMark


Fri Feb 15 2019 9:36 am EST

Magnus Hellberg has extended his contract w/ SKA for another three years. Have to think that's semi-confirmation that Igor Shestyorkin will not be sticking around beyond this season.

tlats


Fri Feb 15 2019 9:29 am EST

And 7th rounders get us The King.......

ges999


Fri Feb 15 2019 9:28 am EST

Any GM that keeps a UFA with expiring contract and isn’t resigning is an idiot-especially one whose team is out of the playoffs.. Ask Garth Snow how he made out- and his team was in the playoffs. Snow is a GMs cautionary tale- didn’t even fake he might trade JT and see what he could have gotten.

Puckyou


Fri Feb 15 2019 9:01 am EST

So stockpiling second rounders gets us a Kucherov....Well that is a horse of a different color....Should have said so to begin with...

PJ


Fri Feb 15 2019 8:54 am EST

So according to the TSN article the two 7th Round picks Gorton just acquired have about a 1 in 3 chance of providing him with an NHL player. Not too bad a return for two players they gave up nothing for to acquire.

HellsKitchen


Fri Feb 15 2019 8:10 am EST

Rf4l I dono he’s no Kucherov

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 15 2019 7:39 am EST

stevie: DUnno - never seen him play.

rF4l


Fri Feb 15 2019 6:51 am EST

https://www.tsn.ca/playing-the-percentages-in-the-nhl-draft-1.206144

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 15 2019 6:49 am EST

https://www.thoughtco.com/nhl-draft-picks-2779293

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 15 2019 6:23 am EST

Rf4l like this guy? ...Brickley was a second-round pick (No. 50 overall) of the Panthers in 2010

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:05 pm EST

Hank gets us the 11th overall pick un June. Woohoo. Great plan!!

RF4l


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:00 pm EST

Hank gets us way more than Bennett

mf


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:57 pm EST

Rhet...we wish!

RF4l


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:33 pm EST

Rhet...Thanks...Makes sense.

PJ


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:32 pm EST

Hank's available.

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:30 pm EST

Mf...no. they could use MZA. More importantly they meed a number 1 goalie.

RF4l


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:19 pm EST

Does Calgary need HAYES, maybe we can get BENNETT?

mf


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:10 pm EST

MF.... Florida knocked off CALGARY in OT 3-2. That's just crazy.

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 9:04 pm EST

"IF" the Cap is increased to $83mill as advertised, TBL will have just shy of $10mill, ditch Callahan and they're up to $15.75 mill, they'll manage..... My heart doesn't bleed for them, let them win so our pick becomes a 1st rounder.... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/lightning

mf


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:50 pm EST

Kucherov has reached frightening status. He’s taking over games. This is TB’s year. Anything less then a SC would be a catastrophic failure. Keeping this team together for the long term ain’t gonna be easy. A lot of guys gonna be getting some max money deals.

E


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:27 pm EST

The most since Lemieuxi if he keeps on pace. Take that Crosby, you WUSS! .... Per David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Kucherov (3pts tonight) now has 91 points on the season. He's on pace for 129 points in 82 games. That would be the most since Mario Lemieux got 161 points in 1995-96 (in 70 games).

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:22 pm EST

Kucherov drafted by the Bolts in the 2nd round 58th overalll. Yeah accumulating 2nd round picks is foolishness.

RF4l


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:17 pm EST

WOW, Nikita Kucherov with a goal and 2 assists tonight is at 91 points thru the first period against Dallas. That's with 24 games and two full periods left to play in their season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:16 pm EST

SOUP SUCKS!

RF4l


Thu Feb 14 2019 7:42 pm EST

PJ... He costs too much against the cap for them to bring him up right now. Maybe after the deadline. He'd be $1.9 Mil against the cap if they bring him up. Right now they have $9.695 Mil against the cap which will help them to retain salary in a trade to make it even more profitable, take on a bad contract to get a prospect and a pick back or take on a better player that makes more money who helps us out long term. Long story short, it basically gives us multiple options.

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 7:24 pm EST

E - exactly..sounds alot like Hollweg..not afraid to hit any fist with his face!..but the Rangers need a little ball, hell even a speck, of hate that actually his wih a purpose..Come to think of it, sounds like what Namestnikov has devolved into!...though his hits are more gnat like

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 7:17 pm EST

Byfugly ran over the nyr , mcquaid did nothing. iCloud is gone , and they leave Beleskey in Hartford. Nothing to see here.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:50 pm EST

Where is Belesky?....Hurt?

PJ


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:29 pm EST

E... Your harsh tone just knocked out BRICKLEY... he's down on the ice... again. In all seriousness, he will piss off some players and come up with the big hit every now and then. He can also be a bit dirty, As an agitator , he should do alright. As a fighter, he's a heck of a lot better than DUBINSKY. If Zuccarello is traded, he better watch out!

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:22 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Quinn says Georgiev goes again tomorrow in Buffalo. Unsure if Brickley will play, or they go 7 D again. Also, Claesson not quite ready; Howden hasn’t started skating, but making progress. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:16 pm EST

Who cares how well he fights. I wanna know if he can play and get under the skin a little. If he gets thrown down in every fight it’s irrelevant to me.

E


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:08 pm EST

HOSPO.... It's not like I have a choice in the matter. If you look on www.hockeyfights.com, almost every fight he's ever had, he's gone down like a sack of potatoes. On the bright side, at least he can play all 3 forward positions .... https://www.hockeyfights.com/players/13258

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 5:49 pm EST

RHET - Not sure why you want to watch him lose...but, you are right, if he does fight he'll likely get destroyed.......Warning: the following video contains bloodand violence....https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/134999...Maybe that's why he's only fought twice in the last 2 and a half years?....Anyway, if he hits like VTRANGER says and the clips I ahve seen..I will enjoy watching him..

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 5:28 pm EST

Look, I like MZA and HAYES as much as anyone. But NOBODY (and I mean even the great GRETZKY) goes beyond the deadline of their walk year without a contract. I don't care who you are or how much you have done for the organization. If you aren't resigned by the deadline of your last year under contract you are getting traded for whatever can be had. If all that can be had is a pack of gum and a library card YOU TAKE IT. If MZA and HAYES want to resign for a contract that the team feels fits withing their plans in July then great! Otherwise, so long.....

Vic


Thu Feb 14 2019 5:24 pm EST

Make that tomorrow night!

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 5:23 pm EST

I can't wait to watch Connor Brickley lose a lot of fights, starting tonight! The kid has heart, but doesn't have the wingspan and also has a bit of a glass jaw. GO BRICK GO!

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 5:01 pm EST

Agree on return for Zucc....They can shove the second rounder up their arse....

PJ


Thu Feb 14 2019 4:43 pm EST

JFC - I hear you - Zucc's been a good Ranger. But, he's getting traded and by the sound of it, he's come to grips with it. We should too. If he wants to, at the right price, NYR will probably welcome him back this summer. I don't see anyone else on the horizon that can hop into his top 6 minutes next year.

limbo


Thu Feb 14 2019 4:25 pm EST

E - when Zucc re-emerged from his funk after speaking with management, I pushed here that the only thing that made sense was that management assured him they were interested in resigning him as a UFA or they weren’t going to trade him. I just don’t want him traded for shit....traded just for the sake of trading him to get whatever they can get. The return needs to be commensurate to his VALUE to this team and his loyalty for taking a team friendly contract. Otherwise, it becomes an INSULT to the player....and he doesn’t deserve that. Rangers need to get a young NHL-ready prospect. A 2nd rounder is an insult IMO

JFC31


Thu Feb 14 2019 3:50 pm EST

Well maybe the good news is sather is best friends with panarin’s agent for July

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 14 2019 3:48 pm EST

The other reason why I don't look at this current roster and see core players is that in my mind they were already 5 to 7 years away from being a relevant team again, and that was with the expectation that they would be tanking this year. Since they aren't this is just another wasted year and it likely puts relevancy out at least another year. And I'm guessing they are going to do the same song and dance next year as well.......

Vic


Thu Feb 14 2019 3:42 pm EST

TD: Responding to your post at 10:58PM last night about the core. You said "KREIDER, CHYTIL, Z, SKJEI to start. VESEY and FAST are also very much part of the future...Wouldn't surprise me at all to learn BUCHENVICH is part of the core. They clearly see KRAVTSOV there too. And despite all the negative nellies who say otherwise, I could almost guarantee ANDERSSON is part of the core. Jury is still out on HOWDEN and PIONK, but I'd be suprised if either or is gone in two years."..........My response to that is to ask you how you can possibly include any player who actually isn't playing the NHL or with the Rangers in the team's current core? I'm sure that the Rangers would love KRAPSHOT, SHESTORKIN, ANDERSSON, MILLER and others to eventually be part of the core. But they aren't now and given the track record of the Rangers over the last 20 years I think we would be lucky if 1 of them actually became part of the rebuilt team's core. As for the rest of the guys you mentioned I can't say with total confidence and certainty that any of them will be Rangers in 3 years. KREIDER may not be here in March of next year (assuming he isn't going to be traded this year). I think originally the plan was for SKJEI to be part of the new core. But unfortunately since his rookie year he has been nothing but a disappointment overall. He has played better over the last few weeks but there is really almost no chance he can rescue this season from being anything other then a disappointment for him with the remaining games the team has. At this point I think it is possible he could be moved at any time. If they right deal comes along I think the Rangers have no reservation about trading SKJEI. As for BUCH and VESEY??? I very willing to go on record that NEITHER will be here in 3 years. I expect both gone in the next 13 months. FAST (like KREIDER) will be a UFA after next year. I expect him to be dealt by the deadline next year. It is possible he could be resigned but I wouldn't say that is likely at all. That leaves you with CHEETOS, ZBAD, HOWDEN and PIONK. The Rangers have salary control over the kids in that group for a while so there is no reason for them to deal them unless they don't see them as part of the future, or what the are pursuing is more attractive to them. CHEETOS, HOWDEN and PIONK have all shown some really good flashes of play at times. But all three have been invisible or just bad at times. I hope that all three can continue to develop and become part of the new core but it is a loooooooong way from certainty that any of them will. And that leaves us with ZBAD. He has had a great season. Hopefully that continues on into next year and beyond. Will it? Will he go on to be a regular point a game player for the next several years? I have no idea. I'd like to see it but I'm more of a pessimist that it will because this is the first time he has ever done it. He is just as likely having a career year, and will likely regress after this year (especially if/when MZA and KREIDER are dealt). So you can throw out names all you want. But I see very little right now that I would dare to call "core" on this current roster.

Vic


Thu Feb 14 2019 3:28 pm EST

Hospo there are 4 ufas , and there is Smith and maybe etc. I wonder how much input and influence the mighty Quinney has with Flash Gorton.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:57 pm EST

So the tire-fire that's continually the Hartford Wolfpack is inexplicable and inexcusable. Meanwhile, Edmonton's farm team just won their 13th straight game. WTF!!! Fixing the Hartford mess must be a top priority this off-season for Gorton and team. With all these draft picks recently, more and more kids with some skill are going to turn pro and it would be utter stupidity to have them start their careers in an environment like that. It's counter-intuitive and an oxymoron, with Gorton being the moron if he allows to continue past this season.

rf4L


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:39 pm EST

NCRanger - Yep, we can only wait and see..I'm hoping that besides the 3 UFAS, Gordo is at least looking into dealing a few other existing players as part of these deals or stand alones in an attempt to change the roster from what it is to something that goes better with Quinn's philosophy..And, I'm not talking about aquiring more 3rd and 4th round picks..

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:35 pm EST

WILD - I have watched Nieves more than enough..but Lord knows I am not intellignet enough to follow the details like you..Anyways, to me he is the antithesis of well rounded..he skates fast, big but provides nothing physical, zero offensive talent or skill, lousy at FOs..To me, an AHL player who shpould only be called up in a pinch... but.to each their own, I guess...I don't know enough about Brickley but if he brings some attitude and hitting to the team, then he is bringing something that is needed (which 4th liners should often do) unlike Nieves............But, as you said, the last forward on the team and it means little in the scheme of things...but it's better than regurgitating the HAYES/ZUCC trade/no trade rebuild stuff

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:34 pm EST

The market for Zucc/Hayes will most likely be determined by what happens with Stone/Duchesne/Panarin. Panarin will most certainly be dealt however the other two are up in the air. If they stick with Ottawa we should see a better return on who we deal IMO

RDW


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:25 pm EST

I'm not thrilled w/ McKenzie's take on potential returns for those players either, but that could all change as we get down to the wire. I really don't see how Zucc (the way he's been playing) doesn't fetch a late 1st rounder (with lower tier mid range prospect possibly ala Lindgren). Players of his stature typically have better longevity than someone like a Nash (plus he was younger than Nasher). How does B.Boyle fetch a 2nd so early during the trade period and that end's up being the ceiling for Zucc. I don't know Boyle's contract status, maybe he has some term remaining which inflates his value. But there is now way in hell he's a comparable player to Zucc. My personal take is that Zucc and Ranger management have a handshake agreement to sign him in the offseason so he can return home. It explains his complete 180 in play. As for Hayes, for the love of god, get him paired up with Kreids and Zucc again so we can inflate his value. His poor play of late is not going to help generate any additional interest. I'm personally not interested in resigning Hayes despite his improvement the last year or two. I think this is his ceiling. He needs better wingers to help boost his overall game, and doesn't make his wingers better on his own. In addition, I've never liked his lack of physicality. For me, I'd choose Z hands down over Hayes. I don't see how we can't get a 1st in return for him. As for Quaider, let's hope for a 3rd. He is someone I'd actually like to keep around out of all 3 of the so called goners. He brings a brand of physicality that is desperately required on this team and fits DQ's style. The next week and half should be interesting.

NCRanger


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:10 pm EST

HOSPO: Lettiri is in Hartford as of yesterday. And this Brickley guy I wouldn't say is better than either Lettieri or Nieves....he is a different player from what little I have been able to see....He is more like Nieves, but Nieves has shown a more well rounded game. I know you dont like him, but to me it seems you haven't watched the details of his game close enough to see how effective he is....he is more than jsut a big guy that can skate....but anyway, all these guys are bottom line players....letteri doesnt have the skill and consistency to be a top 6 guy and doesnt have the style of game to be a bottom 6 guy, so he is kind of, well useless as it stands for the Rangers right now. They called up a bottom line guy to fill in a bottom line role.

Wildcard


Thu Feb 14 2019 2:06 pm EST

Yet another F and a D called up by the Pack....their roster has to be blowing apart with how many players they have there...

Wildcard


Thu Feb 14 2019 1:59 pm EST

To say 2nd rounders aren't going to win us a cup, or a late first rounder isn't better than Hayes- is a little short-sighted. This team-as constituted-isn't winning anything. The argument that it won't make us better NOW is moot also. NOW-we are playing out the remainder of the season and missing the playoffs. When the Rangers traded Weight-for Tikk, Amonte for Matteau & Noonan, Marchant for McTavish , you could argue that they made the Rangers better at THAT MOMENT-however-those players we traded went on to have great careers long after those vets retired. We don't know who will emerge from those picks/prospects Hayes, Zucc & others might fetch-so how can you say it's not worth it. God forbid Zucc or Hayes get injured and miss the rest of the season-how would you feel about keeping them then? Very few untouchables on a team like this.

puckyou


Thu Feb 14 2019 1:40 pm EST

JFC: what’s to stop the New York Rangers from re signing MZA in the summer? Or Hayes for that matter? We will see what happens next.

E


Thu Feb 14 2019 1:30 pm EST

Unless the Rangers get a sure-thing, NHL-ready prospect and a draft choice for Zucc, I would absolutely have no problem with the Rangers holding on to him and signing him. Zucc has put his money where his mouth is....he’s signed a pretty friendly contract before and he seems to be the kind of person who would have nonktoblem signing a club-friendly contract again. He’s a leader, he’s a role model....he plays the day Quinn wants his team to play.

JFC31


Thu Feb 14 2019 1:17 pm EST

VTRANGER - I'll take your word for it...if BRICKLEY is like HOLLWEG (who was one of my fave Rangers) without a screw loose..I will be glad to see him..Besides, he has got to be better than Nieves and Letteri(still up, right?)...PJ - Pretty gruesome, isn't it? of course, they have to trade these guys but not really sure it will have a signnificant impact on a "rebuild"..we'll see.

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 12:52 pm EST

Come on Hospo...Those second rounders are going to get us a Cup....Or we can bundle all of them and trade into the top 5 and get Hughes....Put Vesey on Buch on a line with him and watch it all take off....Then call up Gilmour and blah blah blah.......

PJ


Thu Feb 14 2019 12:45 pm EST

Regarding the Brickley call-up: It could be that they are looking to replace some of the 4th line "energy" allegedly provided by McLeod. Brick doesn't drop the mitts like McLeod, but the guy, when he played for UVM, threw some of the hardest hits I've ever seen at the NCAA level. It got to the point where I thought he was being unfairly penalized by the college refs for hitting too hard. He never lived up to his offensive potential at UVM, but he did bring energy to the ice. Haven't seen him play as a pro, but I suspect they are looking for the wrecking ball in him. Think Ryan Hollwegg without the loose screws upstairs.

VtRanger


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:34 am EST

None of those those thoughts by McKenzie make me do cartwheels...but is kinda what I expected when you are selling pending UFAs and one half to one third of the league is also willing to sell..But ..we shall see

Hospo


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:05 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 21m21 minutes ago More Bob McKenzie Retweeted emdalessio22 NYR getting good action on Zuccarello. Could go for a second rounder and a prospect perhaps. If the return on Kevin Hayes is soft, I could see NYR keeping him and trying to sign him. McQuad will go for at least what they gave up: 4th and 7th rders

RDW


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:02 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger now34 seconds ago More Word is the Oilers and Flyers are in trade discussions on Cam Talbot. Could be preliminary, but they’re definitely talking.

RDW


Thu Feb 14 2019 11:00 am EST

RF4L: From what I've read TB might be trying to add a depth d man

RDW


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:36 am EST

Apparently, the Bolts have been scouting the Rangers recently. Who do they want now?

rf4L


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:08 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled Connor Brickley from @WolfPackAHL. --------->>> uuuummmmm....WTF? I would say this came out of left field....but....left field doesn't go that far out left....

Wildcard


Thu Feb 14 2019 10:06 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger Following Following @aj_ranger More Little pre-game stats check because I looked it up anyway for a story: Tarmo Reunanen has skated over 20 minutes in each of his last 21 starts and led all Lukko players through 19 of those. >25 minutes 11 times. He's getting legit number one defenseman usage.

RDW


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:49 am EST

Stevie: And, I'd also like to if possible see them extend Georgiev and Fast now for a "reasonable/markey value price", well before they approach RFA/UFA since I think they will be of value in the coming years and there's lots of others to negotiate with in the next couple of years.

Ranger47


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:10 am EST

HARTFORD WOLFPACK.... Hartford snapped a nine-game losing streak on Feb. 9 against the Lehigh Valley Phantoms. Brandon Halverson (59th overall, 2014) stopped 25 of the 26 shots he faced in that contest, earning his first AHL victory since Feb. 10, 2018.... Ryan Gropp (41st overall, 2015) scored the game-winning goal in the third period of Saturday’s game in Lehigh Valley. It was his third goal in his last 34 games. Gropp had 14 goals in 59 games last season as a rookie in the AHL.... Seven of Lias Andersson’s 19 points in the AHL this season have come on the power play. He hasn’t scored a power play goal for Hartford since Nov. 2 and has now played in nine-straight games without scoring a goal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 8:08 am EST

From Jan. 29 to Feb. 12 Mats Zuccarello shared the league lead in 5-on-5 primary points with Dominik Kahun of the Chicago Blackhawks. Zuccarello picked up six primary assists at 5-on-5 in that seven game window.... Between Jan. 31 and Feb. 12, the Kreider-Zibanejad-Zucarello line had a dominant +6 goal differential at 5-on-5. In that seven-game window, the Rangers’ top trio was on the ice for nine goals for at 5-on-5.... Mika Zibanejad has scored two or more goals in a game four times since Jan. 15. The 25-year-old center had three multi-goal games in 72 games last season. He now has 14 goals in his last 18 games.... Jimmy Vesey’s goal against Toronto on Feb. 10 was his first goal since Jan. 13. Vesey has three goals in his last 28 games. He’s now five goals shy of matching his single-season high

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 7:29 am EST

TD... I'm Sancho Panza to your Don Quixote.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:57 am EST

to: From earlier you posted that the Rangers should get young NHL players but teams trading for won’t give those guys up. I think you might have fallen into the trap....and you might fall further into it when they trade for picks and prospects. They could trade for picks and prospects, and at the draft flip those for NHL ready young players. Or after the draft they can trade other young assets that become redundant because you traded for/drafted younger/better versions and put 2,3,4 together to get some player you want. I don’t want Gorton to pass up higher value to get something specific. If some GM panics and offers a First and a A prospect for Zucc or Hayes I don’t want Gorton to say no in order to take an A prospect who is NHL ready. I would rather take the first deal, flip an A prospect and a 2nd to get that NHL ready guy and use the first rounder to keep the system full.

Wildcard


Thu Feb 14 2019 6:21 am EST

The gm should have a list that includes Freddie Claesson, Brendan Smith, and more ....to clear cap space for July...https://www.nhlnumbers.com/team-salaries/new-york-rangers-salary-cap

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 14 2019 12:49 am EST

that is, make offers to resign them after the season

mf


Thu Feb 14 2019 12:40 am EST

The two biggest names in the UFA class STONE & DUCHENE still haven't taken the offer from OTT so that's hanging in the wind.... Just saw a blip on The Hockey News that mentioned FL's HUBERDEAU could be on the trade block, he turns 26 in June and is on pace for 19 goals and 77 points, he has 4 years remaining after this season at $5.9mill per...... As for our UFA's, why not get prospects and picks for McQ, Hayes, Zucc and make offers after this season is done? ....

mf


Thu Feb 14 2019 12:12 am EST

FRED - I dont like it either and, you are right, it wont make us a better team now or next year but pending UFAs HHAYES (if going UFA), ZUCC and MCQ (who I love) all gotta go for whatever help they can give the future in this lost season ...SHATT just sucks, i'll leave it at that...Now, Vesey, I dont dislike, he just pisses me off becasue he OCCASSIONALLY shows that he can really play the game the way I like but then it's gone most of the time....AND.. the botom line is he doesnt produce much at all..Dont want to give him away but wouldnt bother me at all if he's used (individually or part of a package) to bring back a better or more consistent player

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 11:06 pm EST

....and Shatt....healthy and playing really good Hockey....

Melvillefred


Wed Feb 13 2019 11:03 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I speak my mind just like everyone else around here. Sometimes my comments are aimed at people here. Other times they're not. Sorry-not-sorry for being non-linear.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 11:00 pm EST

HOSPO....4 names on your get out of town list I don't agree with a Vesey, McQuaid, Hayes and Zuccc. Nothing we get in return will make us a better team.

Melvillefred


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:58 pm EST

Vic - BS. KREIDER, CHYTIL, Z, SKJEI to start. VESEY and FAST are also very much part of the future...Wouldn't surprise me at all to learn BUCHENVICH is part of the core. They clearly see KRAVTSOV there too. And despite all the negative nellies who say otherwise, I could almost guarantee ANDERSSON is part of the core. Jury is still out on HOWDEN and PIONK, but I'd be suprised if either or is gone in two years...You might not PERSONALLY like that core, but that is clearly a core.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:41 pm EST

Sometimes I HATE being so freakin' loyal....it's both a fine quality and a massive flaw!

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:32 pm EST

RF4L - and, BTW, we are alreaady at 9 forwards!

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:31 pm EST

RF4L - You don't say!

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:19 pm EST

Hospo: IMO, Hayes is gone - not an if but a when and what for. Unless, of course, he gets hurt which is why get it done sooner rather than later or if not, like they did with Nash and McD last year, feign injuries and get them out of the lineup (so DQ can do a 9 9 configuration).

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:17 pm EST

That means that you'll probably see the team shelve players (in bubble wrap) within the next 2-3 games to make sure no one get's injured before they can be dealt.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:17 pm EST

RF4L - Not sure about the freezing rain, but agree about the frustrating holding pattern!..Get it done before they get hurt (McQ, Hayes (if hes going), ZUCC)...and throw in Vesey, Namestnikovm BUCH, SHATT and SMITH as a bonus!

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:15 pm EST

There are six NYR games left before the Trade Deadline.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:11 pm EST

BTW, BRING ON THE TRADES! This holding pattern is more annoying than all the phucking freezing rain we've been getting here the last 10 days (and I don't mind snow and cold but I HATE the icy crap).

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:06 pm EST

TD: Every team can hang at times with every other team. It's Buttman's golden (sunbelt) vision - equal playing field results in all teams are competitive to a certain extent. If you're content with hanging around the 10th to 15th overall position then so be it. I'm not.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:00 pm EST

I am convinced as long as Dolan owns this team they will never win a cup. I hope I am wrong.

Vcp1994


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:57 pm EST

E - The problem with the Defense is that it is NHL calbre.... but only for the 2nd and 3rd pairs!!!..We dont have a #1 and a #2.....How many more years do we have to pay home town discount SHATT 6 mill for being SHITT?..The forwads problem is we have a top line, a good 2nd center and after that a few 3rd-4th liners who all seem ill fitted or overpaid for the roles they are playing..They try hard but the roster is a mess.............RF4L - I understand the reasons for trading Hayes (and keeping him) but..re: Hayes and "He's been rather quiet the last few games and that's precisely his MO since he turned pro." ..actually, that used to be true, but up until the last two weeks..he had been consitently good in all facets for over a year..Trade him if there is no chance of him re-upping but him with at least one good wing on his line is something that could help the Rangers for qwuite a few years if that's how they go...Unfortunately...Those wings are nowhere to be found.........................CHYTL - So, why did he only skate 6-7 mins last night?? Just "coaches decision"??

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:40 pm EST

ranger 47: the New York Rangers defense is simply put not an NHL caliber defense. It just isn’t. You can have your goalie stand on his head nightly giving him almost no defensive puck support... The teams record is bolstered by their quick start. So I think their record is a little bit of a mirage. They are worse than their record. After they got a quick start they’ve gone along they’ve gotten a dose of who they are. There is not a team that they are looking up at that I think they could beat in a 7-game series. None of them. It would take something epic to

E


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:27 pm EST

Has anyone ever been traded on VEGAS NIGHT? ...TD... You do realize that you constantly stand up to arguments that no one here has made, right?

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:14 pm EST

Vic: The question the Ranger management needs to address is whether the current "core" can be supplemented in a manner to make a Cup run or not. I personally think that the current core when supplemented can at best be one which makes the POs and goes out after a round or two. If that is the case, then you need a "new core" (think back to the early years with Staal and Girardi and a young Henrik). If that is the case, then you need to draft young assets to become the new core and supplement them at the right time. In between you need to augment the kids with a few key vets to smooth out the transition. Z and K may fit in that transition period and get traded in a year or two as some of the younger assets mature and get NHL experience. So, I'm up to trading most anyone right now for better young and cheap assets which can be supplemented with UFAs as part for a couple more years or so. JMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:07 pm EST

Can’t wait for the gm to decide who his core is .or find one .. I wonder if that is in his not so secret marketing plan ...pretty soon he’ll be known as flash gorton...

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:05 pm EST

Vic unfortunately Hank is the only one most likely still here in 3 years. (Youths not included here).

NYStranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:45 pm EST

... has no core...

Vic


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:44 pm EST

The reality is that this team had no core. That is the problem. The core of your team is the rock that you build around. The young players that are your identifiable stars. Who is that on the Rangers??? Maybe ZBAD but the jury is out as he has never demonstrated consistency in the past. HAYES has been even more inconsistent and isn't going to be here in a few months. If you can't answer the question "will this guy be here in 3 years" by saying "absolutely without a doubt" then he isn't a part of your core. How many guys on the Rangers can you say that about?

Vic


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:07 pm EST

PJ - exactly. And TBH, I think Gorton has ID'd his core. And that's why I think we're not going to see the 'for sale' sign in the window...probably McQUAID, HAYES and ZUCC...but I'm almost thinking the latter stays given how well his line is playing...who knows. I can tell you this: If Gorton HAS decided all three of those guys are out the door, then what he should be looking to get back is young, NHL-ready players...ain't no need to keep amassing picks...not at this point, IMO...but the catch-22 is that no team is going to give us good, young NHL players...not at least a team that is in contention.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:03 pm EST

PJ...and your core includes Hayes and MZA. To me that core exists and ain't accomlpishing much. Regardless Gorton's gonna do what he's gonna do and all we can do is watch and applaud/complain.

RF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:01 pm EST

The Rangers at 56 points are nine games out of a wildcard spot. That's five wins. Likely? Probably not. But I think if you're a fan betting they're moving six players off this roster, you're going to be out some money.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:59 pm EST

Fans treat ZUCC like he's in his mid-50s. It's obscene. I bet the guy is still in this league as a productive player for AT LEAST the next five years. I could see him being the second coming of RECCHI, TBH...you can't teach what Zucc has, which is uncanny vision. His wheels may not spin as fast...his hands might not be as soft...but he'll always see the game in a way few players do.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:56 pm EST

RF4L - I don't really get what keeping HAYES and ZUCC dooms this team to mediocrity and being the league's "sad sacks" unless you somehow implying that trading both will guarantee us Jack HUGHES...and if that is your implication, I offer you the LA Kings, which are just a terrible team and are currently slated to pick FIFTH, as state's evidence one that there are serious flaws in your logic...Trading them may slightly improve our draft slot...say from our current 11th overall spot to 7th or 8th...but that's about it...What Gorton really needs to do is ink both and build around the framework he has...The Rangers have consistently shown they can hang with the best teams in the league...are there warts on this team? HELL YES! But man, the parts that are broken aren't exactly difficult to fix...they need a genuine top-pairing on D...that's probably the toughest part right there...and they need a bottom six that can grind out goals...that's the easy part...they've got one hell of a player in KRAVTSOV...he may take a season to get fired up, but I see him basically jumping into the Rangers' top six almost immediately...On top of that, I can see us getting LAVOIE or TURCOTTE or another similar top forward of level of Kravtsov...and then a year of maturity with CHYTIL, ANDERSSON and HOWDEN? So I can already hear Vic groaning somewhere off in the distance...even IF that doesn't work out next season...and we spin our wheels...well...that'll be three consecutive seasons we pick in the top 15...and that's a lot of talent to import...Now I'm not saying Gorton won't trade ZUCC and HAYES. I'm saying it's the absolutely WRONG thing to do unless one or the other or both is being unreasonable with contract demands...and I would be you dollars to donuts both take deals that aren't bank busters...

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:43 pm EST

Ranger47 - There are very few players in the world who shoot like LAINE...in truth, the only guy who comes to mind is OVECHKIN. There's just nothing the Rangers have that would get the Jets to pony him up...now LEMIEUX on the other hand...

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:37 pm EST

RF...I believe I was clear on what I would do...We disagree on Hayes...Whatever....Identify your core and build around it with signings, trades and drafting....Not trading your core for f'ing draft picks....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:34 pm EST

Too early to say three home runs....Too early to say one home run although Chytl and Miller look promising....Andersson I am a little concerned about but we will see...

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:30 pm EST

E - If the only offers we're getting on HAYES and ZUCC are second rounders and mid-level prospects, shit...I'd RATHER lose them for nothing. Or at the bare minimum, hold onto them until after the cup...negotiate a reasonable salary and then flip them...or hell, deal them at the draft...I can't say this loudly enough: a second and mid-level prospect for ZUCC is an ABSOLUTE INSULT. It's like a hard slap followed by a cup of aged piss thrown in your face. Perennial 50-point scorer who plays crash-bang hockey AND can thread the needle AND can score goals? I hope Gorton has the balls to tell the GM that makes that offer to step back and fuck his own face...re: HAYES - He may want to play in Boston, but get this: They don't need him, nor do they have a position open for him in the top six...he ain't displacing either BERGERON or KREJCI...and if they're going to spend $6 million plus on a player, it's going to be for a wing who can pot goals on second line, not another second-line center. That's what they need...so if Hayes wants to go to Boston, he's going to need to take less money than he'd probably even get in New York and he'll have to be content playing third-line center. In other words, it ain't gonna happen...re: ZADOROV - Another left-handed defenseman? Shit, maybe the team should just ditch forwards altogether and just skate blueliners...Nice size, but his offense never materialized...so essentially he's a banger who is slow. Certainly, they could do worse. And he would add physicality...but basically he's a younger McQUAID.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:29 pm EST

E ...First... Neither CHTIL or ANDERSSON were drafted in 2018. Second... By that logic you can't do well with a first round pick unless you draft first? Third... I would characterize McDavid a Grand Slam and Rasmus Dahlin a three-run HR ... Andrei... You could be right but I have to believe if he continued to tear it up and lead the team in goals and points and the team also lost consistently while he was out, they would have though twice about it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:16 pm EST

RF4L - If the Rangers are getting two late-round firsts and two late-round seconds for HAYES and ZUCC, then I will count the days before Ranger fans are talking about how bad those trades were. The only team that MAY have a decent first rounder in play are the Sabres, and that's the St. Louis pick(currently 17). From most playoff-bound teams, those first rounders will be 25 and higher...second rounders 50 and higher...so basically two seconds and two thirds...re: NIKU -He's a very good player and one, were the Rangers almost any other team in the league, I'd grab...but given who we have on the team and in the system? Hell no...re: TOLVANEN - Folks were talking a lot about him last year...just there was ZERO way the Preds were trading him...this year, they won't have a choice really if they want a big-name player. He, FABBRO and their first are really the only big names in their system. In the link Rhet0ric posted, the author names a few others...but they're all essentially longshots to make the NHL at best. None are a sure thing...and one is an NCAA player who could very well fly the coop for another team....But you are correct...TOLVANEN'S stock has dropped some...He couldn't make the Preds, which many thought he would...and his first year in the AHL has been anything but gangbusters...In fact, for the amount he was hyped last year, he's having a downright dismal rookie year.

tdchi


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:12 pm EST

I’m not sure I can get on board with the whole 3-home runs thang. I like Chytl. I see upside there but it remains to be seen where that goes. Lias is a big maybe. A pick I liked at the time but when he actually played NHL hockey I question whether he has good enough hands to be something more than a bottom 6 guy. Krapshoot is a compelling prospect. He certainly looks like a potential winner. But he could just as well turn out to be one of those big ice guys that suddenly look very suffocated on small ice. We shall see. Pray to the hockey gods that they show some mercy on the New York Rangers for a change. As well Miller and Lundkvist could be something but we’ll see. Drafting Rasmus Dahlin is a home run. Drafting McDavid is a home run. The rest is maybe until they show otherwise.

E


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:52 pm EST

Rhet0ric, nail or nails in the coffin took place over the summer, when Hayes and his agent presented $ amount and term they were looking for. It was every clear that Rangers weren't going to re-sign him for anywhere close he was looking for. Since then, his price tag is even higher. His absents has nothing to do with the decision. It was decided long time ago...

andrei


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:42 pm EST

We had three 1st round picks this past draft and so far we have three home runs. This is not your father's NYR's. Just because we were 1st Round losers in past drafts, it doesn't mean that trend will continue in the future.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:39 pm EST

i believe the nail in the coffin for KEVIN HAYES as a NYR was when he was out injured. The team was playing .500 hockey with him and they were playing .500 hockey without him. Why would the NYR brass spend money on him when it doesn't make a dent in the WIN/LOSS column? ANSWER: They wont.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:36 pm EST

And of course drafting well developing well and signing the right free agrnts are all keys. What are we not agreeing on besides keep vs trade Hayes and MZA???

RF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:33 pm EST

Ok...its stupid. Your stratrgy dude?

RF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:14 pm EST

It’s nyr casino night . Do they have a future betting table for 2/25?

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 5:09 pm EST

“6. If you trade for draft picks and prospects, you’d better, a) get the correct people and, b) develop them properly. The Rangers’ track record does not exactly inspire the utmost confidence, does it?”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:49 pm EST

RF...Opening holes to create others and counting on a top 5 pick (maybe)to save you is stupid....This needs to be a combination of things vs. stockpiling draft picks by trading established assets....Free agency, drafting well and retaining talent will get us there quicker in my opinion....Andersson was the 7th pick....He isn't doing squat in Hartford....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:41 pm EST

PJ: I'd rather be sad-sack (re with the bottom dwellers) to get a chance at a high end pick vs meandering along around the 10th to 12th overall pick if that's the choice and it certainly seems to be limited to that given where they are with these 2 key contributors. Is that what you want?

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:34 pm EST

“ But the line is the team’s engine, and the Norwegian has been its conductor. Sending him away now for a lukewarm return simply to add quantity to a still threadbare system does not seem to add up. There is nothing inherently meritorious about sticking to a plan if a more advantageous one presents itself. Ownership/management never intended to strip the team down to its studs (alternate meaning) when the Rangers embarked on their reset last February, so it’s not quite clear why the team’s most important players have to go simply because they’re not in their teens or early 20s. We’ve said it before and will say it again: Making decisions based on the proposition that your team won’t be in position to win for another five years becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. ”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:29 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/13/mats-zuccarello-should-be-the-exception-to-rangers-fire-sale/

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:15 pm EST

Crickets from the nhl ? ....”Dustin Byfuglien escaped without a penalty for his flying elbow to Jimmy Vesey’s head late in the first period and was handed merely a two-minute minor for his elbow that sent Jesper Fast’s head into the rear glass late in the second period.”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:46 pm EST

In 12 days it will be reality over fantasy

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:45 pm EST

E.....yes ,resign him but let's use the system and get something for him now. I don't even want him as a #2 cent.....#3 is just fine with me.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:42 pm EST

PJ.....because other teams want him as a "rental" only.....they just want to plug him in a hole for the stretch run. That's why...... .Listen ,I have no problem in re-signing him again as long as we don't see him as a guy to lead all our young guys or that foolishness. He is not that good.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:38 pm EST

Andrei...thank you for that post. This is what I'm trying to get across about changes but you made it quite clear. I think it was old Bette Davis "fasten your seat belts boys,it's gonna be a bumpy ride" …………….

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:18 pm EST

Don't get arguments here. Keep or trade Hayes. Keep or trade Zuc. Folks, it does not matter what anyone here feels about them. They are gone. In the next 12 days you will see 5-6 players from this current roster traded away. What we all should be discussing is what we get in return. Writing was on a wall last summer, when Rangers re-signed Hayes for a 1 year contract. Claesson/Namestnikov/Hayes/McQuaid/Zuc/Buchnevich are all available, so are Vesey/Krider/Smith. For sure Hayes/McQuaid/Zuc are goners. I can see Claesson going for a mid rounder. Namestnikov is overpaid at $4 mil, so he might stay, but he does have skills, so he might be the player that could be interesting for a contender as a top 9 player, but at the lower price tag. What Mane can bring? a 3rd rounder, low 2nd rounder? Why not. Boyle brought back a 2nd rounder, so Name could fetch a low 2nd rounder, especially in 2020 vs 2019. Zuc will sure fetch a 2nd, prospect/another pick. Hayes will bring a 1st and a prospect. McQuaid will fetch a 3rd rounder, maybe even a 2nd. Not bad.

andrei


Wed Feb 13 2019 3:03 pm EST

Rf4l I’d be negotiating with all ufas to see what they want . And then make a decision. I’m not for stocking up more picks and prospects , and having a weaker roster for this year and probably next year on purpose. I probably would have resigned Hayes instead of the 1 year deal to begin with.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:55 pm EST

“I’m in the best shape of my life,” Zuccarello, whose two assists boosted his run to (five goals, 14 assists) 19 points in the last 12 games, told The Post. “I know I’m 31, but I feel I can contribute to a winning team for a long time. I don’t think I am anywhere near the end of my career. I have a lot to give. I hope it’s here, but if it isn’t, I’ll do my best to help my new team win.”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:54 pm EST

Newfie: has increased his value and seriously upped his game expodentially. Of the two I will keep Zibanejad because ultimately I think he’s maturing into the player that embodies what the New York Rangers need and I wanna keep a slot open to see what happens next (even if that means Hayes will be back this summer.) but for a rough I’ve been on Hayes in the past I really like whT he’s maturing into as far as a 2nd to 3rd line center.

E


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:43 pm EST

RF...So you agree we won't get equal value in a trade but doing so anyway will help us escape being a sad sack team?....Zucc because of age I get but if the many we have in the system already (after last year's purge) don't step up in a big way we are screwed....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:38 pm EST

stevie: If you were GM what would be your better way?

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:37 pm EST

PJ: I said it. It's possible. What I do think is impossible (with all due respect) is convincing you that the rebuild approach is the most logical. Which is fine - to each his/her own. My take FWIW? Yes, it'll be difficult to get back Hayes II or MZA II in a trade because in large part they're pending UFAs. But what's the alternative? Hovering between the league's true sad sacks and a bunch of PO bubble teams? The Rangers currently have both of these guys and that's where they are (and one could reasonably argue they'd be with the sad sack teams if not for all too frequently stellar netminding that defies the talent on the rest of the roster). I want so much more than that...

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:28 pm EST

Leafs haven't won a damn thing yet....We have had much better playoff success than they have with Torts and AV....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:26 pm EST

Rhet I guess 7-11 will continue until it’s 7 or 8 , and 9 + whoever they replace with who they trade . The mighty Quinney has very little power if any over the gm .

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:20 pm EST

Did he even play a game? ...per the New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned Vinni Lettieri to @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:20 pm EST

NF...Ok lets go there...Hayes isn't close to what we need at center...But you and others say we are going to get something of value for him...Something that will help us toward our goal of a Cup....Why would someone as flawed as you say he is bring something of value back?....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:16 pm EST

Newfie 1994 and 1940 is not long enough? I get what fishpie is doing, but I think there’s a better way. Except I’m not the gm .

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:05 pm EST

I expect ZUCCARELLO to be back next season. My Gut's just telling me he'll be back. The guy has always worn his heart on his sleeve and he really doesn't want to play anywhere else beside NY. In regard to HAYES: I expect to go wherever he get's the most money. Which is okay too, guys like him might on get the one big payday.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:03 pm EST

PJ ……."Hayes is what we all have hoped" ?.....give me a break and don't count me in that "all" please. He has so many flaws in his over-all game, it's not even worth talking about...…..Stevielegs…..No we haven't begun to suffer . Talk to some Blackhawk and Leafs fans, they will tell you what it's like to suffer before you get good. Just hope we don't have to as long as they did. But, we are gonna suffer,get ready for it.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:55 pm EST

RF4L... I didn't get all the Max Domi hate here last season. You knew the kid just needed a change of venue to straighten himself out... In regard to Eeli Tolvanen: Yes, please. Whatever we have to do to get him(almost, anything we have to do:) This guy is another one that probably needs a change of venue. IMO, He was handled poorly last season and it came back to bite them in the rear this season. They really put the cart before the house there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:55 pm EST

Pj he’s playing cya and trying to extend his time as gm . I like the express way rather than the slow local approach. But he’s the gm .

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:53 pm EST

Legs...Then I don't agree with Googley eyed Gorton's approach.....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:49 pm EST

Pj “ WINNIPEG, Manitoba — Twelve days and six games away from the Feb. 25 trade deadline, The Post has learned that Blueshirts general manager Jeff Gorton has not engaged in contract extension talks with either Kevin Hayes or Mats Zuccarello.”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:37 pm EST

RF....Who said that?...Do you know we made an attempt to sign either?....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:35 pm EST

NR...Zucc I can somewhat understand but I assure you we aren't getting a first + for him...We won't even get a first round pick for him in my opinion....Hope I am wrong....Hayes is 26 and has become what we all have hoped....With him and ZBAD we have some strength at center....Trade him and another huge hole opens up....Chtyl and Andersson will step in?...Rather sign Hayes and see if these other two are going to make it....We have free agency and what we have in the system to strengthen D and forward position...If Vesey and Buch can't contribute and won't get us anything that is another setback....Trading reasonably aged developed assets for more draft picks we rarely get right gets us where?....Next year it will be Kreider at the deadline....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:32 pm EST

Newfie we haven’t suffered yet ? There are 2 paths the gm can take. Trade or resign his ufas. Resigning lowers the pain and speeds up the gain . But he’s probably trading them , which should increase the pain and the time until the gain . What the roster will be next season is unknown. What it will be after the deadline will more than likely be a lot worse than then present.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:28 pm EST

PJ/MFred: Or hang on to both and watch them sign elsewhere in July.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 12:42 pm EST

PJ / Melville……..(I'm not trying to be snarky here ,honestly) but, I'm curious to know just how you guys think we are gonna get better if we don't move a few good pieces.Just what do you think we would get for Vesey, Buch or Names ? Nothing ,that's what.Hayes and Zucc are Free agents and will bring us something back for the future. Have you forgotten that this is a re-build.We haven't even suffered a little yet and what's the point of just rolling along like we are doing ? How are we gonna get better ? You're up.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 12:41 pm EST

OK, this is a fantasy proposal, but I wonder if we could swing a blockbuster trade with Winnipeg. Would they take a complete second line of Z, Kreider and Zucc for Linne, Lemieux and picks/prospects? Gives us more youth for the future while giving W a much better shot at a Cup. Just fantasizing a bit while we wait for the real trades to happen...

Ranger47


Wed Feb 13 2019 12:30 pm EST

MELVILLE: or lose Hayes for nothing. He may love NY but he grew up a Boston fan. Dollars for dollars he might find the chance to play for his home team too appealing. That would leave the New York Rangers standing at the alter. MZA I think is a little different. I don’t think he wants to leave. I think he’d re-sign a fair market contract the day before tomorrow. So, while I don’t disagree that losing Hayes and MZA to deadline deals won’t provide tremendous help for the immediate or near future, I’m holding my tongue. I still hold out hope that Gorton can get his hands on a player like Lemieux. I want a more abrasive NYR team. I think they’ve gotta get much harder to play against. There are guys who have an inner pain in the ass like Vesey who I think would be much more effective with a real pain in the ass in the lineup. But I also hold out for the one guy on my wish list forever: Zadorov. But what do I know? Last night we saw a team made up conceptually in the mold that I think is the way to win now. Big, fast, mean, and talented. A team that’ll goose the throttle you if you aren’t careful. (A term a coach I used to have liked to use) I look at those upper echelon teams in the west and they are teams that’ll wear you down physically. SJ is big, fast, skilled, relentless. They stack up on the net, their blueline is extremely mobile, and they physically work down low.

E


Wed Feb 13 2019 11:42 am EST

PJ....right there with you about Hayes and Zucc. We will suck into eternity...no way will moving those 2 talented forwards bring anything that makes us better.

Melvillefred


Wed Feb 13 2019 11:34 am EST

Ha! They can deploy a 4th line of D men and call it the Triple D line!

NYStranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:54 am EST

9 forwards and 9 defensemen. Innovative. Can you imagine? What a laugh riot that would be!

Bob


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:45 am EST

12 Days, 4 hours, 15 minutes

mf


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:38 am EST

Max Domi this year: 17 goals and 49 points in 67 games. Dylan Strome as a Hawk: 11 goals and 31 points in 33 games.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:29 am EST

https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1095705744844955648

Wildcard


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:19 am EST

Funny how a year makes a difference. At this point last year, Eeli Tolvanen, Nashville's first round pick from 2017 (30th overall), was deemed an untouchable. Now that's apparently not the case. While the Predators aren't looking to unload him, his name is now being bandied about in trade talks. In 33 AHL games, he's scored 8 goals and 18 points and I'm assuming the luster from a Preds' perspective has dimmed slightly compared to last year when wherever he played, it was gold.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 10:14 am EST

Jets apparently dangling Finnish d-man Sami Niku. Drafted in the SEVENTH round in 2015, he's progressed rapidly, to the point where he was the AHL's defenseman of the year last year. Noted for his vision and puck handling skills, he's a potential PP QB who's NHL ready.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:56 am EST

Ha...dunno if they are the high end skilled players I'm envisioning...

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:20 am EST

RF...Wow. You dream big. Don't worry, Lias and Gilmour are on the way....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:15 am EST

PJ: Speak for yourself - lol. I'll dream about games with Rangers deploying a bunch of high end skilled players and winning!

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 9:02 am EST

Having Buch on your line is a plus?.....Since when?....Hayes is fine and you will find out just how fine when he is no longer here...Don't believe it can get worse to watch?....When Hayes and Zucc are gone you will dream about games like last night....

PJ


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:59 am EST

Rhet: BTW, agreed on the Hayes concern. He's been rather quiet the last few games and that's precisely his MO since he turned pro. He'll fetch a first and a prospect (I think). The media keeps saying MZA will be a second and a prospect but IMO if teams are looking at both as pure rentals with the way MZA has been playing, I'd argue he might be more valuable to a team than Hayes. I guess, however, Hayes size and position might be more alluring. Either way, 2 firsts and 2 prospects? Yes please!

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:52 am EST

Or perhaps Vesey with Z.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:52 am EST

I'd move Kreider with Hayes and move up Buch to play with Z - might get Hayes revigorized and Buch, too. Certainly worth a shot.

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:42 am EST

So when they pull Hayes and MZA out of the lineup to prep for their deadline deals, will DQ go with a 9 9 configuration?

rF4l


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:16 am EST

Strome had first chance to respond to the elbow on Fast and just gave a little push and skated away. Namestnikov showed real balls.

ges999


Wed Feb 13 2019 8:08 am EST

Hospo I get what you are saying about trading away the few remaining NHl top talent guys...but, your argument of this making the team that much harder to watch? Um, IMO this team has been very hard to watch since game 6 of the 2015 Conf Finals. And other that a short offensive spurt in the fall of '16 or '17, I forget which, this team has been dreadfully boring to watch. All the vets can go IMO. New blood, new pain? Maybe, but maybe also some hope!

NYStranger


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:49 am EST

This KEVIN HAYES, the way he's playing right now, he is the guy I don't want to give a big money, long-term deal to. With only 26 games left, you have to ask... Does he make 20 goals? Does he even make 50 points? At one point they seemed to be a certainty, now both are in question. From now until the deadline, I would play him with Z-Bad for as many shifts as possible to keep that trade value up.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 7:11 am EST

The Hockey Writers ‏ @TheHockeyWriter ...... 'Nashville Predators’ Trade Deadline Targets – New York Rangers' from our @Gipe92 http://bit.ly/2E7ExAk #THW #Preds #NYR #NHL

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 6:51 am EST

RHET - I couldnt care less whether you take me seriously or not..Didnt saay it was Kreider doing it, did I? Just mentioning the correlation...The fact is we have been a one line offensive team all year...And that has alwasy been the line with Kreider on it...The very good play of ZBAD and Hayes before him is mostly on the players themselves..BUT being on a real line with talented productive liemates has helped draw out the best of both of them...BUCH is skilled as hell but pretty much has been worthless at ES..Plays om the perimiter for the most part and, despite his size, weak as hell and coasts defensievly...All emntal for him..

Hospo


Wed Feb 13 2019 5:54 am EST

“ WINNIPEG, Manitoba — Twelve days and six games away from the Feb. 25 trade deadline, The Post has learned that Blueshirts general manager Jeff Gorton has not engaged in contract extension talks with either Kevin Hayes or Mats Zuccarello. Hence, the Rangers are on course to trade both impending free agents as rental properties in exchange for draft picks and NHL-ready prospects in a continuation of the rebuild policy instituted one year ago. The question therefore is not so much, “if” as “when and to whom?” You’d have to think the team will pull Hayes and Zuccarello from the lineup sooner rather than later in order to protect against a deal-wrecking injury.”

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 5:24 am EST

“I thought we played afraid, not afraid in the physical sense of afraid of being hurt, but afraid to make plays and get in on the forecheck,” coach David Quinn said. “We played afraid and on our heels. We talked about it between periods and I thought we responded really well.”.......who took on byfugly?

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 13 2019 4:02 am EST

TDCHI & Schneid- I would make it a two year 4m offer sheet to Pulju. EDM has 70m tied up in 14 players next season. So many holes in the lineup. Don't think they can match. Pulju wants out. Its also very low risk. If Pulju comes here and completely stinks out the joint, you can buy out his 2nd year for 1/3 (since he is (way) under the 25-26 year old limit for a 2/3 buyout cost) of 4m divded over the number of years (1) left times two, so the buyout cost would be 650k over two seasons. If he does great, all you need to do is qualify him at 4m per after two years.

Ola


Wed Feb 13 2019 2:17 am EST

HOSPO.... It's hard to take you seriously anymore. So, now it's Kreider? Whomever plays with him, he just makes them better? Is that theory just so you can take credit away from Zibanejad or give Hayes an excuse for going cold or both? At least Hayes didn't have to play 20 plus games with VESEY and NAMESTNIKOV as his line mates, while going up against other teams top lines. ALSO: There is nothing wrong with BUCH aa a line mate, he has a lot of talent. Surely a center as great as Kevin Hayes could bring out the best in him, no?

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:51 am EST

Tarmo Reunanen Can, and Will, Skate His Way Into NHL If there’s anything to be sure of, it’s that Tarmo Reunanen can eat up some minutes on the ice. This past week Reunanen registered a single-game season-high 29:48 of ice time on Feb. 6 against Mikkelin Jukurit. He also led all skaters with 27:25 of ice time on Feb. 8 against Saimaan Pallo (SaiPa). Reunanen, who currently plays for Lukko Rauma in the Liiga, the top Finnish league, has skated for at least 24 minutes in 17 of the last 20 games. The 6-foot defenseman has also logged 25 minutes or more of ice time in 10 of the last 16 games, as well as 26 or more minutes of ice time in seven of the last 14 contests (Are you feeling tired yet?). In the last 21 games for Lukko, Reunanen has registered 12 points (two goals, 10 assists). The Rangers’ 2016 fourth-round pick (98th overall) has posted 19 points (four goals, 15 assists) in 47 games this season, and has already set career highs in goals, assists and points.

MF


Wed Feb 13 2019 1:49 am EST

https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-prospects-barron-hughes-reunanen/?fbclid=IwAR2kwSDTj4zV9UrF1ka3zm74LLu0i_ugPt5m3uJ6n0RbEWrjTYAHPGVVPM0

MF


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:29 pm EST

NEWFIE - FAST is useless offensively, even when healthy (which he isnt)..And Vesey cant keep his head out of his ass most of the time..That is not who you play with a guy like HAYES..who is a great passer...It's quite simple, both HAYES and ZBAD surged offesnivey when playing with Kreider and maybe ZUCC and both suffered offensively when playing with the dregs..So yeah, if it's gonna stay that way or worse (dealing ZUCC)..deal HAYES as soon as you can

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:19 pm EST

Officiating a disgrace and Rangers have no physical answer for anything...Hank sucked in this one...Rangers played a great second period...If we move some players I hope we at least get someone to protect what is left from the physical poundings....Play GEO....

PJ


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:13 pm EST

Everybody can't play on the 1st Line, he has to suck it up . I think DQ should just give him Vesey and Fast and leave them together, and we may have two lines.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:06 pm EST

NEWFIE - Where was I being high on HATES tonight? I have to admit that, Ever since he was sadled with shit like BUCH and VESEY at ES a few weeks ago, he has gone back a bit to holding on to the puck way too much...Yes. some great moves...but he was so much better when he was playing straight and passing instead of ragging the puck..OTOH, I cant blame him that he feels like he has to generate offense and make things happen given his linemates..The Buch-Hayes_Vesey line suck IMWO..

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:01 pm EST

Mf...he was invisible...

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:58 pm EST

Hospo, I really don't know why you are so high on Hayes....maybe he played that way tonight so he won't be traded in an odd way, because if I was a GM from another team in the stands tonight, I would have not been impressed with all this dipsy doodling shit and poor decisions. I'm sorry but I want him gone ,period.He can't be a guy we try and build around.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:52 pm EST

MF - He barley played..I heard his name a few times but little of significannce..a Boo Like performance...CHTYL got plastered to the bench most of game, didn't he?

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:46 pm EST

Any of you folks pay attention to LEMIEUX tonight? Anything good, bad or indifferent to report? t/y

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:44 pm EST

Bufashit is ugly and tough to look at. What a troll.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:43 pm EST

"two of the only four forwards of worth"

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:42 pm EST

NEWFIE - Yeah..I cant wait for the deadline where we trade two of the only forwards of worth for the nest round of Lias ANnderssons to help in 2022! Not saying it shouldnt be done, but it's gonna be ugly and real hard to watch

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:41 pm EST

Newf: Since he got old!

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:40 pm EST

Maybe we can rotate out the bottom seven forwards also? COuldnt really hurt that much

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:38 pm EST

When did Hank start playing on his knees ? It's bad enough he is back on the goal line, Geez. Z-Bad is gone mad, best player on the team right now by far. And, I can't figure out what Hayes is trying to do out there ,he confuses and confounds me each and every game. All that skating ,all those moves and for what ? Come on Deadline.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:38 pm EST

KIS - Yep...Up till now it's been the reguar NHL regular season ice capades..Gets tough and physically intense the rest of the way..not the type of game for most of the Rangers...hell, almost all of them

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:37 pm EST

Byfuglen got away with blatant boarding on Pionk with no call and no Rangers response. They played well. The old Henrik in the net and they win that game. This Henrik? Nope. Time to rotate he and Georgie for the rest of the season.

Bob


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:36 pm EST

Did Patrick Laine play?

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:34 pm EST

Love the way Winnipeg plays..maybe one day we'll have one player that plays like that..Would also be nice to have a 3rd liner or 4th liner or, hell, a 2nd liner help out offensively at ES..The 1st line and PP..That's it..All that said, hard to beat the Jets in Winnipeg and the Rangers gave it all they had..Moral victories will be in vogue the next few years..

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:32 pm EST

Gutsy effort by the Rangers against a team that's clearly better but is too focused on being a goon squad so will NOT win the cup. And guess what? Bufashit gets exposed against the more skilled teams because he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:32 pm EST

Rangers are too soft. They don’t have people that will hit or finish checks. They are way to weak. If they don’t get stronger players they will be like Edmonton. Tons of potential but can’t win. Hockey is a physical game. It’s not tennis or ping pong. You have to hit

Kis


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:22 pm EST

Wish the rangers could trade hank. I wonder what they could get for him

Kis


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:21 pm EST

Hey Maurice: Fuck off right back at you, fucking goon squad coach. You ain't winning the cup with your mediocre goalie and undisciplined players.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:17 pm EST

Lazy backschecking by VESY..if you cant contribute offensively at least do your job defensively!..Missed the Buff hit on Fast..God, I wish we had him or sombody like him

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:14 pm EST

We are being laughed at

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:12 pm EST

CoMark: Asshole. Hope he gets a Marc Staal type shot to his eye.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:11 pm EST

They just raped us

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:07 pm EST

RF- elbow to the head of Jesper. Fast did duck a little, but it was a nasty elbow

ColoradoMark


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:05 pm EST

Wheeler is another punk. Nice to see his goonbox ass in the penalty box on that goal.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:04 pm EST

ZABADABADO!!!!!! #2

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:04 pm EST

I didn't see the goon play by Bufashit - what did he do? Gawd, I so loath that piece of shit...

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:00 pm EST

TD- I coached a team that won the Pee Wee state championship. My goalie? Richard Bachman.

ColoradoMark


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:54 pm EST

Big Buff usually concusses one Ranger on every trip up there and gets away with it. A least his cheap shot got called this time.

Bob


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:46 pm EST

rf4l: I am a fan of Graves....but dont think for one second its was because he was "too big" The ONLY reason he is getting NHL ice with the AVS is because their D is about 3 notches below the Rangers D...individually there are not even guys as good as the Rangers D...and thats scary right? Graves was moving down the depth chart, other D were going to pass him, he would have been lost for zero...I heard rumor he had asked for a trade because the amount of young D in the system after the trades so if they had kept him he eventually would have pressured for it, not signed, gone overseas, whatever, so the Rangers got into a spot with him. He hadn't done enough with the Rangers to force a spot in the NHL, and hasn't really done enough to force the AVS to keep him other than for injury fill in....he has looked ok, but if the AVS trade for a D he will be among the first to be sent down or sat out....

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:42 pm EST

GOOOAAALLLL!!!!!!!!! That's for you BUTTFUCK

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:40 pm EST

Nice make Buttugly pay for his cheapness

Jake0104


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:38 pm EST

Ryan Graves with his 3rd goal this year against the Leafs. Why did Gorton give this guy away? Oh, I know - too big!

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:37 pm EST

Something I didnt expect from and like from Namestnikov....he just went at a much larger and tougher guy...would have gotten destroyed in a fight...

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:30 pm EST

Pionk just gave the puck away 4 times before he finally got a hold of himself and cleared. Hes awful.

Stepunmytoe


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:16 pm EST

Schiefele cap hit is $6.1m. Not bad. Or just $2m more than Namstinko.

Jake0104


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:14 pm EST

These REFS are letting the Jets get away with battery

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:12 pm EST

Well if its the talent i hope they clean out more than just our better players, Zucc, Hayes, and Quaider.

Stepunmytoe


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:10 pm EST

Yup good things happen when you shoot the puck and your defense men don’t give ground like the French in WW2.

Jake0104


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:08 pm EST

Jake: Z shoots the puck.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:07 pm EST

LOLOL...nice goaltending by Hellashit. No cup with that kind of goaltending.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:06 pm EST

GOOAAALLL!!! ZABADABADO!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:03 pm EST

Step it’s not the system, it’s talent. The New York Rangers defense lacks it and frankly the offense isn’t exactly filled with guys that play well in all 3-zones. What’s happening is they’re getting beat by a much better team in which their only real play was always to try to come in and steal 2-points. Right now? Doesn’t look that way

E


Tue Feb 12 2019 9:02 pm EST

I have been yelling shoot the puck for 50 years, Guys like Schiefele shoot the puck. We need a sniper.

Jake0104


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:54 pm EST

Jake: there are a couple kids in this years draft that have his profile....the shoot first and 2nd types that seem to pick spots at will....thats kind of what I hope is there when the Rangers make their pick (of course unless they fall to a top 3 or win a lottery pick) since they have a lot of playmaker types, it would be nice to see a shooter in there, and perhaps the Rangers can have that guy who can develop into one of these guys that can make a goalie miss....

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:52 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: Peg is Canes like in their desire to shoot from anyplace all the time. Now they are getting more than "normal" so the Rangers need to tighten up more, but the last game a bunch of shots were not a high risk on their own, and guys were kept outside, again tonight they haven't allowed for a lot of traffic in front, thats a good thing...not sure if the system DQ is putting in place allows for more shots or not, but it might...perhaps the numbers behind the numbers say allowing shots with no traffic leads to less goals, just musing I haven't seen anything one way or the other....i just know that the Canes take the most shots int he NHL and are not the best team so I have come to not trust what shot totals tell about a game.

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:50 pm EST

My kingdom for Schiefele. Jets will be a tough out.

Jake0104


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:47 pm EST

RF4L: Strallman however was probably a 5/6 D who was solid but not great, and turned himself into a top 4 guy (arguably a #2 guy) Gilmour might be able to become a 6th D. Not that teams dont need a #6, but I think he is redundant on the Rangers....I said it a couple weeks ago that his career may be better off with another team that might have a better fit for him. I just think he has been shoved down the depth chart by other kids, and it would be tough for him to stick at the NHL level in NY

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:46 pm EST

Good news is goonsquad jets won't win the cup.

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:45 pm EST

So embarrassing. Another 20 shot period ? Is it the system ? These players cant be this bad...... can they ?

Stepunmytoe


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:45 pm EST

Only 19 sog = maybe 57 ... defense needs 8 d

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:45 pm EST

td: He played 51 AHL games in his career...and has 583 at the NHL level....in his 2nd pro year he played 35 NHL games, in his 3rd he played 73, that was in 2011-12, he only played 2 AHL games that year and has not played one since. He was a 2nd round pick, Gilmour was a 7th rounder, he didnt take a step from year 2 of his pro career to year 3 and has struggled at times at the AHL level. Now I will give you that D develop at a different rate than forwards...but Gilmour won't be following that Petry curve at all, he won't suddenly be a top 4 D, he will be lucky to be a 6th D in the NHL...he may in fact have a better chance if he were to switch to F and try to be a 3rd line defensive minded forward who can add offense. I mean he is bad defensively for a D, but he is better at it than most forwards, probably too late to try to do that, but its probably true that he could carve out a decent career as a F playing a solid all around game rather than a D who is one dimensional

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:44 pm EST

DQ needs to grow a pair.

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:43 pm EST

Hank on his way to a stroke

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:43 pm EST

Jets going nowhere with Hellyshit...

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:42 pm EST

2 infractions from Bufashit and no calls. I HATE the fucker. HATE. I'll rejoice if someone carves out one of his eyes.

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:39 pm EST

Fuck off Wheeler. Asshole

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:29 pm EST

How about Anton Stralman?? Tons of dmen who become effective NHLers after 25.

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:27 pm EST

9 sog so far 45 to go ?

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:27 pm EST

Schneidw...you've been overtly depressing with your posts lately. Lol...you know there's lots more of this to come don't you? ;^)

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:22 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Ha. Did I say it's likely? Nope. But sure, why not. I'll play. Jeff PETRY is one who comes to mind off the top of my head. Was a bottom liner/AHLer. Suddenly a couple years ago, everything clicks and now he's a top liner in Montreal.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:17 pm EST

Ola - that's an interesting thought. But the flip side is if PULJUJARVI does end up a bust...you could end up with a $4 million AHLer on your books for the next three or four years. I do also wonder whether the Oilers would match it...and I think if they get to that point with him and believe that another team might try that, the more likely scenario would be to see him moved along with either LUCIC or SEKERA...In truth, if I were to prognosticate the end to Puljujarvi's time in Edmonton, it'll be at the draft with one of those two guys joining him on a team abroad.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:16 pm EST

And that mess started with anything crappy puck clear attempt by the King.

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:16 pm EST

TD... Should we review the list of defensemen who didn't blossom until they were 26-28 years old?

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:16 pm EST

Hank wake the fuck up

rangerlou


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:15 pm EST

Put in Geo!!!

RF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:12 pm EST

PJ - I ordinarily might...or rather would...be with you in the there/done that opinion, re: GILMOUR, but one of the things folks in the Ranger organization keep saying about him is that he keeps improving by leaps and bounds. Yeah, at soon-to-be-26, chances of him being a find are pretty slim...but hey...you never know.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 8:04 pm EST

schneidw: Adding to the last, it was snarky of course....TBL gave up a 1st and 2nd (possibly 1st) round pick. The last NHL.com ratings of prospects had Howden as the #2 prospect in their system (August before the trade) in June of 2017 another group had him as #3, and another had him at #2 as well. So saying he was barley in the top 10....sorry...nothing anyplace ever said that. So they gave their #2-3 prospect, another higher prospect a 1st and 2nd (possibly 1st) along with Name who while not producing at high rate now was for them....anyway....thats hardly a fleecing under any standard

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:53 pm EST

Gilmour is a guy that friends who goto all the Pack games tell me that makes the same mistakes at the AHL level as the NHL level, the difference is the skill level at the AHL level isn't as high so his skating can make up for the errors and his skating makes him a lot better offensively. Basically, he is what he is...he is a great skater, has offensive instincts and the ability to use those instincts to produce....he might end up an NHL player, but it just seems like he won't do that on a good team.

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:49 pm EST

schneidw: Really...so you think that the Rangers trading away 1st and 2nd rounders is no big deal then?

Wildcard


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:36 pm EST

RF4L - I think the Canucks have options...yeah, dicking around with NILSSON definitely put them in this situation...but who'd of thought BOTH DEMKO and MARKSTROM would go down...TBH, I'd be a little surprised if they even play MANZANEC. As rhet mentioned, he's a goddamn sieve...also they have Richard BACHMAN and the one and only ageless Michael LEIGHTON in Utica(home of the famous Club). I couldn't believe that guy is still going...

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:30 pm EST

Vlad Namestnikov: 70 GP for NYRs... 6 goals and 14 assists and -18.. how freaking dreadful.. TB fleeced Gorton on the trade. didnt give up much other than Howden who was barely a top 10 prospect in the organization... brutal!

schneidw


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:26 pm EST

OLA- interesting scenario... would you expect EDM to match the offer?

schneidw


Tue Feb 12 2019 7:13 pm EST

Rhet how many teenagers are there ?

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:59 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Filip Chytil is tied for third among teenagers in the NHL in goals this season (10), and he is also tied for second among teenagers in the league in games with a goal (10). #NYR have posted a 9-1-0 record in games which Chytil has tallied a goal in 2018-19.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:56 pm EST

.Malkin suspended one game for actions in Penguins game against Flyers.....https://www.nhl.com/news/c-304759462

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:41 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Rangers will continue to go with 11 F and 7 D tonight. Henrik Lundqvist gets the start #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:40 pm EST

12 replies 9 retweets 45 likes Reply 12 Retweet 9 Like 45 Direct message Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Rangers will continue to go with 11 F and 7 D tonight. Henrik Lundqvist gets the start #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:37 pm EST

NHL Trade Buzz: Hurricanes could be in market for two-way center ... https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-trade-deadline-news-and-notes-february-12/c-304745534?tid=278542340

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:19 pm EST

I want HAYES resigned but if there's no possibility of preventing him from going UFA, trade him and trade him soon!...MZA too...hell and throw in a few others.....As for Gilmour...No thanks....Can skate like the wind and provide offense in the AHL but has shown in two camps and last year just how bad defensively and physically weak he is at a higher level...why waste time on somebody that may show offensive flashes in the beginning but be a defensive liability in the long run? Especially when you already have Deangelo??.One or the other, maybe..

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:18 pm EST

For you West Coast boys: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/joe-pavelskis-goal-scoring-resurgence-could-put-sharks-in-a-salary-cap-bind

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:07 pm EST

Gilmour will be 26 in a couple of months...Hayes is 26 and is finally doing what we hoped and we will most likely trade him...The latter bothers me more as it relates to our rebuilding philosophy....

PJ


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:00 pm EST

There have been some talk about there being an offer sheet 'finally' this season. I have never felt that it would make sense in relation to someone like Marner. BUT, its interesting. I was looking at Jesse Puljujärvi's situation in EDM. They have done a horrible job developing him, after rushing him to the NHL. Pulju is just like 3 months older than Lias but already being labelled a bust in EDM. Hard to think that happening to a kid that scored 17 pts in 7 games in the U20 WJC as a 17 y/o, won a gold for Finland in the U18 WJC by himself almost. Is 6'5 and has a monster shot, great offensive instincts and hands -- while still only being 20 y/o. I think he is a few months younger than Howden and a few months older than Lias. But EDM is EDM. ANYWAY, with the cap situation EDM is in I can't see them matching an offer sheet for Puljujärvi at 4m per. And the compensation for an offer sheet lower than 4.05m per is ONLY a 2nd round pick. EDM got like 8m to sign 8 players and a ton of holes in their lineup. Brooks have brought up Puljujärvi a few times. Gorton should have the opportunity to get him for a 2nd round pick this summer -- if he is prepared to use an offer sheet on him... What do you think?

Ola


Tue Feb 12 2019 5:27 pm EST

Is that how we develop players? One and done? We've seen all there is to see from GILMOUR? We'd have to move some pieces around but I hope we end up giving Gilmour another shot.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 5:21 pm EST

Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie 1. Told no recent talks have taken place between Rangers and Kevin Hayes' camp. Ergo, trade is anticipated; 2. Have to figure it won't be too much longer before NYR pull Hayes, Zuccarello from lineup to protect against injury.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 5:09 pm EST

is there a website to watch the Wolfpack Games?

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 4:26 pm EST

We can call up Gilmour and see what we already saw last year...He can provide some offense and is very fast...He also is knocked off the puck easier than Buch....We have enough of those....

PJ


Tue Feb 12 2019 4:15 pm EST

TD- I hear you on Gilmour. His skating has always been stellar, I wished he had a better showing with NYR last yea-Pionk showed him up, he made too many mistakes. Give him another shot

Puckyou


Tue Feb 12 2019 4:15 pm EST

TD- I hear you on Gilmour. His skating has always been stellar, I wished he had a better showing with NYR last yea-Pionk showed him up, he made too many mistakes. Give him another shot

Puckyou


Tue Feb 12 2019 3:22 pm EST

Ha, MZA saying on one's approached him about coming back in the summer. Of course not - that's not allowed! At least not formally.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 3:10 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/12/rangers-silence-hints-at-a-deadline-mats-zuccarello-trade/

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 3:07 pm EST

RF4L... Have you watched the guy play? He is awful. I suppose we could $hit on Gorton for not getting more, but I have no idea why.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:59 pm EST

Rhet: Yes...but maybe he's the best scrub available!

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:58 pm EST

BTW, what started the problem was the trading of backup Anders Nilsson for a return that included McKenna, who was picked up when they sent him down because Demko was deemed NHL ready. The Canucks got a 6th rounder in that deal so one could argue they're ahead of the game despite all this.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:58 pm EST

Another thing: I’ve always been skeptical about John GILMOUR’S future win the Rangers...but MAN is he having one ass-kicking season...he’s always ya da good shot from the point...it’s what made him so dangerous at Providence...that and his first step acceleration...well, he’s now got 16 goals with the Pack...and is two off the record 18 set by Andrew HUTCHINSON back in 2008...Gilmour, incidentally, wasna former 7th rounder himself. I’m always hesitant to stand up for him because he’s got a lot of warts defensively...but these days...and relative to the rest of the Pack, they don’t look that bad...if the thought is that we’re out of the playoffs, then it’s a full court press,IMO, to ditch SMITH and CLAESSON...I don’t see STAAL leaving, but even him...open a spot for this kid for the rest of the season and see if he has what it takes to stay.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:55 pm EST

If Gorton didn't do it, someone else would have traded their scrub backup for a 7th.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:49 pm EST

Rhet: What happened is the Canucks waived Mike McKenna (their backup) in order to make room for Demko who they decided to promote. McKenna got claimed and then Demko got hurt. They recalled from the CHL Mike DiPietro on an emergency basis to replace Demko to backup their number 1 goalie (Markstrom), thinking he'd not play - just watch and learn. Markstrom turned up hurt yesterday so DiPietro was forced to start against the Sharks last night and got shellshocked. They had no choice so really, Gorton did them a favour.

rF4l


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:49 pm EST

Any time you can get something for a relative zero like MANZANEC is a good day...same as with iClod: Addition by subtraction PLUS you get a scratch off card that could land you a player...former recent 7th rounders include Christian DJOOS, Erik HAULA, Frederick ANDERSSON, Ryan DZINGEL, and Ondrej PALAT...Manz was gone soon anyway...and this gives HALVERSIEVE one last chance to prove his worth before the new crop of goaltending prospects(see: WALL; HUSKA) roll in...now if only Gorton would move some of the backlog of goddamn defensemen. If Manz is worth a seventh rounder, I’m giddy over the thought of what we could get for BIGRAS and O’GARA...or hell, SMITH if we ate some contract and even a healthy Freddy CLAESSON.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:43 pm EST

Irving moofman knish turn your traderator up to warp 9 , or get your time machine to turn back time. You’ve been bungling bundling for years. Those 3 make a 3 way in your mind.

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:38 pm EST

Stevie: I believe that those 3 7th round picks are for 2020 & not 2019..... Be careful not to bungle your bundle

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:38 pm EST

The CANUCKS are so screwed... "Mazanec has played 20 games with the Rangers’ AHL affiliate Hart Wolf Pack this season, compiling a record of 7-8-3 with a goals-against-average of 3.01 and save percentage of 0.903. In his 31 career NHL games, all with the Nashville Predators, the Czech goaltender sports a 2.97 GAA and 0.895 save percentage." .... "With starting netminder Jacob Markstrom and backup Thatcher Demko both in sick bay, the Canucks were forced to start 19-year-old emergency call-up Mikey DiPietro Monday against the San Jose Sharks." .... https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/vancouver-canucks-trade-for-veteran-goaltender-marek-mazanec

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:23 pm EST

trade the 3 for a number 1 ....bundle....

stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:11 pm EST

So now we have three 7's

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:10 pm EST

I am amazed we got a 7th Round Pick for Mazanec. What was VANCOUVER thinking? I'm guessing we'll bring Halverson back up or maybe we sign a FA to be the backup for TOKARSKI. Can GEO backup up the Wolf Pack on his offdays? :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 1:49 pm EST

TSN ‏ Verified account @TSN_Sports ..... #TradeCentre Alert: The Canucks have acquired Marek Mazanec from the Rangers for a seventh-round pick in 2020.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 12 2019 12:52 pm EST

Mfred unless the gm has a secret plan , he has to trade the ufas. It will be revealed in less than 14 days. And revisited in 5 + months. Which is very short compared to 25 years.

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 11:18 am EST

MF - been pretty obvious for awhile...We have whatever line Kreider is on trying to score (first with Hayes, now with ZBAD), the OTHER center (now Hayes) trying to generate something.... and occasionally the PP..The job of the rest of the team is to do no harm..Will be further reinforced if and when Hayes and Zucc are traded for futures..and replaced by the dreck form hartford

Hospo


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:58 am EST

Well, it certainly sounds like a commitment to "Team Defense" Hospo should be thrilled.... For you clock-watchers, 13 days and 4 hours until the Trade-Deadline

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:32 am EST

Sorry, I meant 18 Left D. It has already been a long morning.....

Vic


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:31 am EST

STEVIE: Wait....I thought with the recent draft picks and trades they have made their objective was to dress a goaltender and 16 Left D. You mean that isn't the plan? Are you sure????

Vic


Tue Feb 12 2019 10:25 am EST

tdchi couldn’t agree more with your post, especially given that this is the Rangers we’re talking about as far as draft picks go!!!! To me moving Zucc, Hayes, McQuaid is Idiotic. Will make us worse for years to come.

Melvillefred


Tue Feb 12 2019 6:30 am EST

They can play 8 d soon....”Fredrik Claesson skated in a full practice without a non-contact jersey Monday for the first time since injuring his shoulder on Jan. 12, but the defenseman still needs a few more days before he gets back into the lineup. “Not [Tuesday] night, but hopefully Friday,” Claesson said. “I feel a lot better.”

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 12 2019 2:00 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/canadiens-acquire-nate-thompson-in-trade-with-kings/c-304725052

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 1:59 am EST

Bob: https://www.nhl.com/news/evgeni-malkin-of-pittsburgh-penguins-to-have-player-safety-hearing/c-304741374

mf


Tue Feb 12 2019 1:34 am EST

schneidw - AHA! Glad you posted that. I'm not quite sure who the writer is, but he's a lazy one...The Sharks' deals that year are a great example of how what looks so good from the outside...trading expiring contracts and aging vets for a ton of picks...ends up doing nothing whatsoever... guess what the net gain was for the Sharks in that haul of picks? Almost ZIPPO...The second, third and fifth rounders the Rangers gave for CLOWE turned into Gabryel BOUDREAU, who had a two-game tryout in the AHL before getting cut and joining a semi-pro league in Quebec; 16 games of Raffi TORRES(they traded the Rangers third rounder to the Yotes, who drafted the also-unsuccessful Yan-Pavel LAPLANTE, who has bounced around the ECHL; and Rourke CHARTIER, who is now in his third year with the organization and doesn't appear to be much more than a bottom-line player/career AHLer...the fourth rounder they got for HANDZUS was packaged with a fifth round pick that went back to Chicago for a fourth(the now retired Fredrik BERGVIK) and a fifth(Gage AUSMUS, who is now in his third year toiling in the ECHL). The Doug MURRAY trade was actually the closest they got to getting something...The got two second rounders, with which they got Noah ROD, a Swiss winger who fled back to Europe after two short and unsuccessful stints in the AHL. The other got packaged with a first rounder and sent to Detroit(who drafted Tyler BERTUZZI and Anthony MANTHA) for the 18th overall pick, with which they drafted Mirco MUELLER, who toiled in the organization before being shipped to New Jersey with a fifth for a second and fourth rounder...they landed Mario FERRARO, a mid-level prospect, and then wheeled Jersey's fourth rounder to New York with a sixth rounder(turned out to be Morgan BARRON and Brandon CRAWLEY) for Scott REEDY, who is floundering in the NCAA...Soooooooo....to sum it up, the only thing they have to show for trading those players is Reedy, Ferraro and Chartier...and really, the only one I could ever see being anything to the sharks is Ferraro...You can argue that OTHER teams managed to make out with their picks(see: the Wings) or that the three players they traded didn't do much...though Handzus was a fairly critical piece of the Hawks' cup run...but the long and the short is that they traded three guys who were pretty talented and got absolutely nothing of value in the end. GREAT example of how most deadline deals turnout for the team trading the NHLer for prospects/picks.

tdchi


Tue Feb 12 2019 12:31 am EST

Yandle was a case of no time to adapt. He was brought in and couldn't find a rhythm to do what he does best. But the next season for all his discrepancies I do believe he was on track for 50-points or something like that. And that was consistent with what he was career wise. I never hated Yandle. In fact, I liked a lot of his game. But like all offensive defenseman chewed up by the base in NY he was maligned for his weaknesses defensively. I'd take him over Shattenkirk who actually has a better rounded game but is a shell of what he once was.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:52 pm EST

E - I had no problem with the Staal move in the thorey of going for it...I like my team to go for it..but he wasn't the right guy and, as you mention, made even worse by no plan on how to use him..Yeah, let's throw hin on 3rd line W or 2nd C or W or..Oh well, screw up by both Gordo and AV..old stuff..

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:37 pm EST

Staal was classic New York Rangers stupidity. Just get the sexy name with out one iota of thought as to what you plan to do with the guy, or if he even meets a need.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:33 pm EST

RF4L - Wow, you can turn anything into an Anti-Sather! He's gone...let it go..:)..! and, besides, SCREW REBUILDING!

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:05 pm EST

Too bad Sather wasn't still in charge - there'd be no rebuilding. It would be great!

rF4l


Mon Feb 11 2019 10:23 pm EST

E: The Yandle trade supports your argument.....as does the Eric Staal trade....

schneidw


Mon Feb 11 2019 9:35 pm EST

Igor Malkin just swing his stick at the head of Raffl and got a 5 minute match penalty.

Bob


Mon Feb 11 2019 9:03 pm EST

E - Shattenkirk to the Caps was also a poster boy for that..Something GORDO should have also taken note of..You dont need to get the best player...the best statistics...the best scorer at the deadline..you need to get the player that fits the best with the rest of your team...Both MCQ and Zucc should be able to fit in seamlessly with most any contender..HAYES's gaame is a little different..may not be a fit for everyone

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:56 pm EST

HOSPO what I find particularly interesting is how in the tank a “contender” will go in for an offensive defenseman. When all history shows me is that most of them struggle incorporating their offense for some time when they arrive with their new teammates. Even the great EK took time to settle in when he got to SJ. But every deadline someone does it. They grab some guy and hope he fills that hole only to be disappointed and after trading away a bunch of goodies to get them they watch the guy sail into the sunset leaving no cup and some other team willing to give up a ton on a UFA contract. I’m hoping that the New York Rangers are gonna have a big deadline and move a lot of weight.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:27 pm EST

SCHNIEDW - Cliff notes????...Hard to read all of that, but it seems monolithic in statistics..Just kidding E...But seriously, what that advanced statitic dweeb doenst seem to recogninze is that the trade dealdine isnt the time when teams are trying to build the best statitical possibilities for a full season..but a time when teams are looking to find missing components and missing chemeistry to fit their team for a three month PO run

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:13 pm EST

Someone brought up the fact that the Rangers crappy PK has contributed to a nice amount of loses this year....Thats because they got rid of their best penalty killers....I woulda brought back Grabner at the same price as Zona paid for him.....No, the Rangers bring in Stinky ....who literally Stinks up the joint

tradestar28


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:13 pm EST

Teams should beware of these players at the 2019 NHL trade deadline By Jonathan Willis 4h ago 37 Media coverage of the NHL trade deadline tends to focus on the positive, and that’s sensible. Good teams typically get better, trading for players on expiring contracts that they wouldn’t have been able to get earlier in the year. Bad teams retool and add picks or prospects to the cupboard, better enabling them to sell hope to their long-suffering fans. What sometimes gets overlooked in all the excitement is that it’s a dangerous trade market to enter. While there is value out there, there are also pieces longer on reputation than performance and savvy general managers looking to take advantage. A good recent example is the 2013 re-tooling that San Jose Sharks general manager Doug Wilson engaged in. In the span of a week, he turned three players (Ryane Clowe, Douglas Murray and Michal Handzus) who had combined for a single goal all season into six draft picks over the following two years: three second-rounders, and one pick each in the third, fourth and fifth rounds. The Sharks didn’t get appreciably worse in the process. They’d make it to the second round of the playoffs, going seven games with the Kings before getting knocked out. Yet at the same time, they managed to restock their prospect cupboards and add some ammunition to make a couple of trade deadline purchases of their own. Chicago probably didn’t mind flipping a fourth-rounder for Handzus, who exploded centering Patrick Kane that spring. But by summer the Rangers and Penguins likely regretted expending so many resources on Clowe and Murray, two players who ultimately didn’t move the needle very much. That’s why it’s worth taking a few minutes to identify a handful of players whose market value is likely to be much higher than their actual value in terms of winning playoff games. RD Cody Ceci, Ottawa Senators Broadly speaking, bad teams tend to have two types of defencemen: the kind that cause chaos and the kind that reduce it. Because these teams have lots of chaos to spare, it’s sometimes hard to tell which efforts are helping and which are hurting. Ceci causes chaos. Graeme Nichols recently argued this point at length, so we won’t spend too much time on it. I can’t help adding one point, though: how Ceci’s regular partner, Maxime Lajoie, has fared with him and without him. Unlike in past years, where a WOWY analysis would compare Ceci to Erik Karlsson, these days the other right-side options in Ottawa are not good. Lajoie has played with Dylan DeMelo, Christian Jaros and Chris Wideman. Here’s how Lajoie has fared in an average hour when playing at 5-on-5 with Ottawa’s top two centres, both with Ceci and with his mishmash of other partners: Those numbers are per hour and they’re crazy. The mere presence of Ceci knocks 20-odd shot attempts and 15 shots per hour off the performance of the Duchene and Tierney lines. It’s a long-running issue. Since the start of 2016-17, only six defencemen (min. 1,000 minutes) have a worse 5-on-5 on-ice goal share than Ceci. Of those six, one is a regular partner of Ceci, four are either out of the league entirely or have seen AHL time this year and the sixth is Erik Gudbranson. The question isn’t whether the Senators should be able to command a Jake Muzzin-like return in a trade. They can’t: Ceci is far inferior to Muzzin as a player and unlike Muzzin he isn’t really under team control beyond this season. Technically Ceci is an RFA, but his $4.3-million qualifying offer is a ridiculous price to pay for a player of this caliber. Whether it’s Ottawa or another team, nobody should be qualifying Ceci at that cost. Ottawa’s ask is going to reflect the way they regard Ceci: a top-four defenceman under team control. In contrast, a contender should see him as a pure rental who may or may not be able to competently handle third-pair work. It’s too large a gap to overcome. RW Alex Chiasson, Edmonton Oilers Chiasson has been one of the few positive stories in Edmonton this year. On a team littered with underachievers, he has overachieved and has already set career-highs in goals (17) and average time on ice (16:35). The trick is in establishing his true value and to do so, it is helpful to divide his year-to-date into thirds. Everything Chiasson touched went in early. This stood out on a bad team and he was promoted up the depth chart. The move initially helped compensate for his inevitable drop-off. Now he’s still getting the prime minutes, including on the power play, but the magic is long gone. Not only has his shooting percentage dried up (as expected) but his even-strength point production is almost nil of late despite premium linemates. Chiasson’s point totals haven’t fallen off because he’s starting to make hay on the power play. That has value, and while he has been an upgrade over previous net-front presence Milan Lucic, it’s pretty unlikely that a contender is going to plug him into the same role on their power play. Chiasson was a good fourth-line right wing a year ago for Washington. He’ll likely be a good fourth-line right wing again if the Oilers decide to deal him. The problem is that because he has 17 goals, the market is likely to value him significantly higher than that. LC Adam Henrique, Anaheim Ducks The story of the Ducks this year is of their epic collapse and their large commitments to an ancient forward core. Corey Perry is 33, has played just five games this year and is coming off his worst season in ages but will cost $8.625-million through 2021. Ryan Kesler has six points on the year, and at 34 carries a $6.875-million cap hit through 2022. These should serve as cautionary tales to any team interested in adding Henrique, a 29-year-old whose five-year extension at a $5.825-million cap hit kicks in next season and doesn’t expire until 2024. Unlike Perry and Kesler, Henrique wasn’t a star in his prime, so when his game starts declining it’s going to be immediately apparent. Henrique hit a career-high in goals in 2015-16 at the age of 25, and at that peak he put up 1.64 points-per-hour for New Jersey at 5-on-5. That was a solid second-line forward-type number. This year he’s at 1.38 points-per-hour. That’s a fairly typical third-line number around the NHL today, and $5.825-million is a lot to pay for it, even once we figure in his work on special teams and his two-way ability. It’s nothing like the overpay that contract will represent at the end of the line. Henrique was 28 when the season began and has recorded 28 points in 56 games this season, an average of 0.5 points-per-game. If we go back to 2013-14 and look at 28-year-old forwards from that year who scored between 0.4 and 0.6 points-per-game, we can get a feel for where Henrique is likely to be at the end of his current contract. There are 11 in all (min. 41 games played) who meet that description. Here are their NHL totals from this season: Maybe the Ducks (or an acquiring team) get lucky and Henrique follows the Zajac career curve. It’s not a bet one should make willingly, though. If Henrique looks more like any of the other 10 career curves represented here, at some point a buyout is going to become very tempting. Anaheim avoided signing bonuses, but they didn’t frontload the contract, so that eventual buyout will be fairly pricey. This is the kind of acquisition a team with a fading core might sensibly make, but for any club with a contending window that stretches beyond the next year or two, the long-term pain is likely to outweigh the short-term benefit. RD Adam McQuaid, New York Rangers Tough right-shot defencemen always seem to have value at the trade deadline. What makes McQuaid particularly interesting is his combination of playoff experience (68 games, including a Cup win in 2011) and his plus-one rating on a minus-26 Rangers team. It’s worth digging into how the 32-year-old McQuaid has managed to keep his head above the waterline. (Jared Silber/NHLI via Getty Images) Looking at goal differential over a short span of time is always dangerous, and it’s especially silly to focus on plus/minus, which selectively records goals. That makes it a good idea to look at a) a longer timeframe and b) 5-on-5 goals only. The longer timeframe tells us that this is the first time in five seasons that McQuaid has been on the ice for more goals for than against, despite the fact that his previous four years came with a pretty good Boston team. So what has changed in New York this year? It isn’t the shot metrics. McQuaid’s 43 percent Corsi is the worst number of his career and way below even New York’s average. Nor are the goalies stopping more pucks when he’s on the ice; his .915 on-ice save percentage is the second-worst number of his career and slots in between his numbers from the past two seasons. Combine those two points and we find that McQuaid’s on-ice goals-against number is actually the very worst of his career. What does that leave? Goals for. In each of the last four seasons, Boston scored less than 2.0 goals-per-hour with McQuaid on the ice. This year, New York is averaging 2.6 goals-per-hour, thanks to a sky-high 10.5 shooting percentage. Goalies in the NHL this year have stopped 91.8 percent of 5-on-5 shots they face. With McQuaid on the ice, New York’s opponents have stopped just 89.5. There is no reason to believe that McQuaid is responsible for this. Not only is he famously a defence-first defenceman, but his 5-on-5 scoring rate is the lowest of any New York defenceman. It’s a happy coincidence, either a random spike that has fortuitously pumped his value just as he approaches free agency or at best a by-product of being welded at the hip to the highly competent Brady Skjei. McQuaid’s shiny on-ice goal total should allow the Rangers to sell him for more than he’s worth at the deadline, and barring a post-deadline collapse, should earn him a few dollars more in free agency this summer than he otherwise would have received. The true story is told by the long-term trend and the shot metrics, which paint the picture of a long-declining defenceman continuing to erode in his 32nd year. There are better options out there, and smart teams will look at them rather than being fooled by the sparkly combination of playoff experience and a good plus-minus. RW Wayne Simmonds, Philadelphia Flyers No player is totally immune to Father Time, but power forwards, in particular, seem to struggle with the toll taken by years of playing physical NHL hockey. At 30, Simmonds is undergoing the same decay that so many of his peers have experienced. Simmonds at his peak was a triple threat: a 5-on-5 scorer, a 5-on-4 scorer and physically intimidating. Of those three attributes, the physical game is generally the least vulnerable to age-related decline. That makes sense, since it’s the area most closely correlated to pure effort. Simmonds isn’t hitting as much as he did at his absolute peak, but in terms of 5-on-5 hits per hour, he’s at the same numbers he was at when he was 24. GMs value this. Arguably they value this too much. Simmonds’ 5-on-4 scoring has died along with the Philadelphia power play. After scoring between 2.8 and 3.8 goals-per-hour over each of the last five years, this season he’s put up just 1.9. After five straight years at 4.0 points-per-hour or better, this year he sits at 2.6. The Flyers’ entire first unit has come apart. After topping 9.0 goals-per-hour for five straight years with Simmonds on the ice, it’s down to just 4.1 this season. This suggests the potential for a team-wide problem, so it’s possible that Simmonds might be reenergized in a new home. It’s worth noting though, that without Simmonds the top unit has fared much better. In 133.7 minutes together at 5-on-4, Simmonds and Claude Giroux were on the ice for 11 goals for. In 58.8 minutes without Simmonds, Giroux has been on the ice for 10 goals for. In 27.7 minutes without Giroux, Simmonds has been on the ice for zero goals for and two goals against. In other words, it’s entirely possible that it’s not a team-wide problem, and that Simmonds is no longer money on the power play. The last place where Simmonds had value at his peak was at 5-on-5 and that’s been over for years now. His 5-on-5 scoring rate crashed in 2016-17 and has never recovered, as Charlie O’Connor has previously noted. Of the 388 forwards to play at least 1,000 minutes at 5-on-5 since the start of 2016-17, Simmonds ranks 318th by points-per-hour. His closest peers in terms of ice-time and scoring rate are Milan Lucic and Ryan Kesler and that’s not a good place to be. It’s also not like good things are happening when he’s out there. The Flyers have been outscored 116-to-85 over the last three seasons with Simmonds on the ice. That 42 percent on-ice goal share ranks Simmonds 356th of the 388 forwards to play at least 1,000 minutes over those three years. Simmonds still scores on 13 percent of his shots, and he’s still 6-foot-2 and physical, so some team is going to pay a premium to rent him. Don’t be that team. He scores like a fourth-liner at 5-on-5, his team gets lit up when he’s out there and now even the power play is no longer a sure thing. (Top photo of Wayne Simmonds: Scott Audette/NHLI via Getty Images) Enhanced statistics from Natural Stat Trick. Salary information from CapFriendly. What did you think of this story? MEH SOLID AWESOME Jonathan Willis is a staff writer at The Athletic. He has covered the NHL since 2008, with his work featured at outlets including Sportsnet, ESPN, Grantland and the Edmonton Journal. Follow Jonathan on Twitter @JonathanWillis. 37 COMMENTS Robert P. 4h ago 6 likes I'm hoping the Rangers can at least recoup what they paid to get McQuaid this deadline. They gave up Kampher a 4th and a 7th. If we somehow get a 3rd for him I will call it a W. Matthew R. 4h ago 82 likes Do NOT tell Lebrun that Wayne Simmonds is anything but the “perfect” rental for Tampa Bay or Boston, or he will have to rewrite the same sentence out of his last 10 stories! Zach M. 4h ago 9 likes @Matthew R. Love LeBrun and Simmonds, but I also think it's hilarious. I think LeBrun will orgasm if Simmonds gets dealt to one of those places. Stephen F. 3h ago 7 likes 7 @Matthew R. It fits into the Tampa Bay was "bullied" by Washington narrative (how do you get "bullied" in a 7-game series?) when the main problem was Cooper giving his 4th line 1st-line minutes so they'd be on the ice whenever Ovechkin's line was.

schneidw


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:05 pm EST

Tampa Trade: the BIGGEST unknown is why all the talk about the toxic NYR locker room last year at the deadline after #27 and #10 were traded... still wish I knew more because it shocks me the NYRs could not pry away Cal Foote for those 2 players... terrible deal...

schneidw


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:03 pm EST

Tradestar: I agree w you and posted the same thing after McDonough and Miller were traded... Gorton lost his leverage and TB forced him into a take it or leave it deal and he ran out of time and didnt have other teams trying to steal McDonough away... #27 was hurt alot the past 2 years in MSG and his value diminished somewhat... however TB has no regrets considering they didnt give up much..... https://www.tampabay.com/sports/lightning/2019/02/11/one-year-later-has-ryan-mcdonagh-made-you-a-believer/

schneidw


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:00 pm EST

TRADE - Good stuff....especially about Gordo and his smug punchable face!! :)..THe Andersson trade is bridge under water and we shall see about Howden, Hajak and the the rest....but he really needs to knock it out of the park over the next 5 months in trades and more draft picks for this White Flag rebuild to really have a chance..We'll see

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:58 pm EST

TD: I think you’re looking for a poison pill. Nothing is monolithic in dynamics. Line chemistry, depth, timely goaltending, a good bounce, an injury on the other side. On an on... yada.... yada... yada... I’m not even in full disagreement with you. I have played on good teams and bad teams. In competitive leagues. And yes, leadership is more then just talent. Brian Boyle was IMO one of the biggest letter snubs in New York Rangers Post 2010. Yet, his leadership for all its lauds and respect props he wasn’t carrying a team anywhere. Just a good team guy. Holds his teammates accountable and is personable. But full stop. It’s still a game of talent. And that’s not the be all and end all. Just ask McDavid who has to be asking his agent how he gets out of Edmonton to somewhere. Anywhere...

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:46 pm EST

You trade away an established top-line player for picks and prospects, you almost NEVER get the better end of the deal. If the team looking to get your top-line player IS willing to trade away their top prospect(s), then chances are pretty good that team's GM is Mike Milbury...I get why the Rangers traded McDONAGH...though I still don't understand or accept why they traded MILLER(on course for his third consecutive 50-point season)...the return they got was about as good as they were going to get...Tampa was NEVER going to trade POINT or SERGACHEV. Never. There were probably plenty of other prospects they would have dealt, save for maybe Cal FOOTE...but those two were already with the big team...and if you're in for a cup run, it's a lateral move to trade away guys who are regularly contributing in your lineup...So the return? Was it bad? Nah. Not a chance. But I do find it hilarious that there are a number of Ranger fans having buyers remorse less then a year into this thing...Would I have rather kept McDONAGH and MILLER? Yep. No doubt about it. But I understand why the Rangers were gun shy with paying big bucks to a defenseman who would be 30 before collecting a dime of his new long-term contract...Still...and as I said before...I am of the mind that it's easier to build on than demolish and start anew...and I do wonder what the Rangers would have been like in a year had they simply held onto those two and used the rest of the deadline haul to restock...but the bottom line is Gorton got probably the best he was going to get with McD. JT definitely swung the deal in favor of Tampa and we'll need to see a heck of a lot out of HAJEK, HOWDEN, LUNDKVIST and whatever they draft in 2019 to make this deal even.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:34 pm EST

So, the fact that Gorton helped show AV the door gains him some more time IMO

mf


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:21 pm EST

E - I totally and 110 percent disagree. In fact, I think it's equally important to have guys on the ice who demand accountability from their teammates than it is to have a coach that's cracking the whip...I've played on teams that were immensely talented that couldn't win a game because there wasn't a single guy on the bench interested in leading. You end up with a very disjointed team when there isn't someone to look to when the fat is in the fire. Good teams have good leaders...and like I keep saying: If it's talent that is the big problem with Hartford, then how come their last really successful team was one of the least talented? You look at the 2003-2004 team and tell me that was a talented squad...Talent in the AHL is relative...and while I'm not going to say this is one of the MOST talented teams in the AHL, they got plenty of guys down there who can skate. Just as many as any number of AHL teams...again...you watch them...they go ahead in games, and then all it takes for them to unravel is the tiniest bit of pressure. I've seen it live several times and it's not pretty. Hell, even the game against the Phantoms Sunday was like that. They tied it up, only to give away three unanswered goals...Look, if you're going to hold a clod who barely touches the ice like Cody McLEOD and say "intangibles" are BS, I will be right there with you...but you can't deny the impact of having a true leader and a veteran presence on the ice. There are just too many examples of it to list.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:21 pm EST

Gorton should never have re-upped AV but those marching orders probably came from above... Thank g-d they fired that cold bowl of Vichyssoise

mf


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:18 pm EST

tradestar: so now you're a make-up artist too? ;-) WTF would you want Cal Foote? Pedigree? Physical Stature? RHS D'mn prospect? Whatzamattayou?

mf


Mon Feb 11 2019 7:15 pm EST

I don’t think we can be eviscerating the TB trade YET. Right now I’d say it’s results are pretty ho-hum. But again, it’s Gorton’s team and his rebuild. Therefore, I’m willing to give some latitude right now. But chalk me up to someone with a less then enthusiastic feeling about what Gorton has done so far.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 6:04 pm EST

Jeff Gorton.... with that smug punchable face .....His eyes are too close together as well.....Whats next from him? "The NYR announce sending Kevin Hayes and MZA away and in return they have received a broken clock, a few Opechee Dave Farrish rookie cards and the future born kids of the Tkachuk brothers

tradestar28


Mon Feb 11 2019 6:01 pm EST

....and that's the main reason I would NEVER want to see TB win the Cup....fuck them....let them lose with all of our guys that they took from us for a cup of coffee.....I don't give a shit about the 2nd round picker becoming a 1st rounder either.....This is about pride!

tradestar28


Mon Feb 11 2019 5:59 pm EST

With all the talk about the guys in Hartford here....it has to make you that much more pissed that the TB Lightning didn't give us one sure thing player for a guy like Ryan McDonagh (and JT Miller)......Sport trades have a lot to do with perception and NY Ranger players who are traded are perceived to have so much less value than the guys we are getting back in return. Look at what the Devils paid for Taylor Hall....We shoulda got Brayden Pointe or Cal Foote........not some potpourri of shit........Terrible GM'ing to be honest.....

tradestar28


Mon Feb 11 2019 5:41 pm EST

Chris Peters ‏ Verified account @chrismpeters .... Latest from Wisconsin on freshman D K'Andre Miller (NYR), after a hard crash into the boards Saturday, is that he is out this week, dealing with soreness. Due to be reevaluated later today. Sounds like it's not as serious as it looked like it could be Saturday night.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 11 2019 3:09 pm EST

TD: Your argument has merit and if accurate, that's on Gorton and company. This problem started prior to Gorton being in charge and for part of it stems from his predecessor's penchant for trading away picks every year. But it seems deeper than that. It's so development 101 not to have a losing environment dragging your youth down. Yeah, sometimes a team has a bad season but we're talking basically a decade now down there. It's become perpetual. Whatever the problem is, why it's not addressed is beyond me and IMO warrants a -F for Gorton and Dreary and company beside the 'Solid farm team' category.

rf4L


Mon Feb 11 2019 2:49 pm EST

TD: I have always considered “leadership” the most overrated term in the lexicon of New York Rangers fans. Comes from the mythic qualities of Messier I guess. Here is the thing. No one in the AHL/NHL is new to hockey. They may be by and large inexperienced and that can play a role but they all know what to do. Coaches are leaders. And coaches settle teams if they are good at their tradecraft. On the ice leaders are just players. Truth is, in the case of Hartford, they lack game breakers. Ultimately, hockey is still about depth and talent. I’m not saying that having guys who wanna lead are innocuous empty nests. It’s just a little overrated. What matters most when we talk about leadership is situations that are alien to players. The NHL playoffs is alien for some and they won’t be successful because the pace, intensity picks up to a place they’ve never been before. They can get caught looking. Losing their instincts for play etc... and each player responds according to individual character. I’d venture to say that Pionk would respond better to playoff hockey then would Buchnevich. Just the makeup of the player. Hartford maybe inexperienced, but they are in the middle of the grind of a long season. One of which many of them may not have played as much before. You can add a “leader” but inexperience is what it is. And talent is what it is. The Pack need talent. They are weaker then the big club. I just don’t put as much of an emphasis on leadership as some. Accountability is what players do. You are accountable to hold up your end of the deal. You take a bad penalty? You have to skate back to the bench after a goal given up. Don’t need no “leader” to tell you that you dumb fuxed up. And then the coach sits you. Leadership need answered. Messier had a mythic quality to his leadership. He was damn near unstoppable when he elevated his play in the clutch. But that was because he was talented as all hell and could take a game over. People may dismiss to the dust bowl of history but Messier’s mythic leadership meant nothing when his offensive ability eroded and by 1999 he was just another guy with a scowl on his face.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 2:14 pm EST

And just to clarify, I didn’t mean ‘lack of youth’ but rather youth in general. Pack have a ton of young and inexperienced players. And it shows in games. As soon as they let a few goals in, the games quickly spiral out of control...they need a guy to calm them down. And apparently, that guy is not among the vets they now have on the team.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 2:10 pm EST

Vic - if you talk to folks who follow the Pack day in and day out, I don’t think any of them fault the coaching staff or the talent. Care to guess the most discussed reasons I hear all the time? It’s the lack of on-ice leadership and youth. Coaching and talent are actually seldom brought up by Pack fans...rather Ranger fans who see the record and the box scores and make conclusions...I spoke of a culture of losing on a team, and I still think that’s part of it. You don’t have the guys there that are vested in the team. You can get goddamn Herb Brooks on the bench, and if he can’t get his team to buy in? Well is that his problem or the players? Oddly enough, McCAMBRIDGE is having the same exact problems that GERNANDER had...and say what you will about talent, but the team has and continues to get more talented year after year. They haven’t had a talent like ANDERSSON since JT MILLER was there. And HAJEK/LINDGREN since SKJEI. What that team needs is a leader on the ice. If you want to knock Andersson, I suppose you could argue he was expected to fill some of that role...and HAJEK too for that matter...problem is, they’re rookies...the guys who should be strong voices in the room and demanding accountability are clearly not doing so...and you sure as hell CAN call out a guy like HOLLAND...or BUTLER and BIGRAS. But even there, they’ve each only been with the team for less than two years...so I think if you were to sum up the problem in Hartford in one word? Turnover. Can’t be consistent when you have no consistency on your roster.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 2:08 pm EST

VIC - I think it's more of a "wanting them to have" instead of "thinking they should have"! Bottom line is I think we all want to see Andersson, Lindgren and Hajak (the rest--including guys like Lettieri and Nieves-- really dont matter) improving and progressing..

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 1:55 pm EST

HOSPO: I think there are some folks here who thing that Hartford should have a better record then they do. That Hartford should be winning more games with the roster that they have. Personally, I don't buy that.

Vic


Mon Feb 11 2019 1:51 pm EST

Rhet0ric - that’s not what I’m suggesting at all. Rather, the Rangers seem to have a three-year shelf life on Pack players before they get traded for other AHLers. I’m saying why? Why not keep guys longer? Why did we move a guys like GRAVES for BIGRAS? Or BOURQUE for the scrub BROWN from Hershey? Or BODIE for CATENACCI? And the latest example was Cole SCHNEIDER, who while not in he category of the others per se, was the team’s captain and a locker room presence. Since he was traded, the team has been something like 1-9. That’s not a coincidence...You can argue these players were likely going to lose these guys to free agency...but in each case, WHO CARES?! Better to have guys who are respected in and know by the organization, then guys who are pretty much transients.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 1:39 pm EST

VIC - I honestly dont see where anybody is crucifying the coaching staff and instead are basically agreeing with you....It's the GM of the Rangers and Pack that are responsible for BOTH the talent down there and providing the help (players or envirnoment) to best develop them..I totally agree that after Andersson, Lindgren and Hajak you have precious little...And even with those three it's too early to tell whether they have the raw talent to be anything more than role players...But if they do, that's why developing them right is so important..

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 1:05 pm EST

Before we go an crucify the coaching and development staff in Hartford for their "failure" to develop the players that are there we might first want to ask if the players in Hartford are capable of developing, and if so to what extent? When I look at that roster I see one forward who might make it (meaning has a better then 50% chance) in the NHL as a bottom 6 guy (ANDERSSON) and 2 defenders who might make it in the NHL as well. Beyond that there is nothing but long shots at best. You can't get blood out of a stone.......

Vic


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:59 pm EST

E - The scary thing about Andersson is that he seems to have the head and willingness to do many of the little and dirtier things..but where he seems to be Raw is in Top 6-9 talent..Now, that can be RAW or it can be he just doesn't have it...Way too early to say and only Time will tell...

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:56 pm EST

RHET - Personally, I haven't thought about McIlrath for two years and still wont..but..a player or two like him in Hartford couldnt hurt what I have heard has turned into a cesspool for development this year..

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:54 pm EST

Rhet obviously so far the nyr gm and the Hartford gm can’t get them successfully rebuilt. Anything that is an improvement should be done when possible. Closing shop might but it’s not going to happen. Just think my cousin Vinny is supposedly the best they have right now for the nhl , and the coach favors 7 d over playing him. They could put up a FOR SALE sign.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:42 pm EST

HOSPO: I’ve heard some of the same. Although, I’ve heard that Lias has shown ability but is still raw. Although Hijak has shown nothing whatsoever.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:32 pm EST

If the key to making Hartford successful is re-acquiring MCILRATH, why don't we just close up shop and go home right now ...MF... I think if you went through many of those "wasted" 1st Round picks, you'd be surprised how many of them had relativley big injuries very early in their young careers. Not that I'm givning all of them excuses, but it's still pretty interesting.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:30 pm EST

Georgie has a little bit of a quiet serial killer in his personality. He doesn’t look like he is enjoying himself. But you can see he burns on the inside. I like him a lot.

E


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:16 pm EST

TDCHI - That was a "quick" postscript? :)...But..I do agree they need somebody like that in Hartford..This weekend I was talking to an old friend who goes to every Pack home game, he says guys like Andersson and Hajak, though occasionally showing why they were drafted where they were, are really floundering and often lost..Just like the kids in NY needed (and didnt get) vets to provide on Ice mentorship and watching over, so did/do the kids in Hartford but, as you say, not guys like Holland/Butler..

Hospo


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:49 am EST

Tdchi like I said earlier, if the gm can walk and chew gum, he could get Big Mac back for Hartford probably for an O’Gara , or Holland etc .

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:48 am EST

IMO, we still need to give ourselves the best odds of placing high in the draft lottery.. and if that means trading Hayes, Zuccf, McQuaid, Smith, BUCH, Names, Bessy, you do it... As TD and others have pointed out, not only has this Org traded away too many firsts, we've busted on too many of them, as in McIrath.... God I hope that Lows does not wind up as a career AHL'er who fills the leadership role of the Wolfpack... That would suck if his ceiling is that low with a 7th all around pick... We may need to overpay to reacquire Hayes, Zucc, and McQuaid, but as of now, that may be the hand to play

mf


Mon Feb 11 2019 11:10 am EST

MelvilleFred - not sure I agree with moving all of those guys you listed...but I wholeheartedly agree that the Rangers would help themselves and their situation by holding onto ZUCCARELLO and HAYES...the problems with the team and the reason they are not bound for the playoffs have almost nothing to do with them. But rather a failure to have a potent second line, and a general lack of experience on the third and fourth. And of course, their relative weakness on D. Some quick thoughts: you fix the PK on this team and it’s record would be WAAAAAY better than it is now. If they could get their PK to even 10th in the league, you’d probably see an extra five or six wins. Problem is, the PKers also happen to be the top line players...and that’s a big problem. I think what they need to do is explore a less flashy deal...one that brings back a young player with a decent upside, but who can help in this capacity. The other player we really need is a top-Pirri g damn...and that’s a trickier situation to resolve...but the point is, this team has been DYING for a dominant first line for a long time...and right now, ZUCC-ZIBANEJAD-KREIDER has been about A dominant as they come...you don’t mess with that. So if it’s one or the other, I suppose I’d sign ZUCC. But my real aim would be to add to the HAYES line...ya gotta give to get, so maybe investigate trading BUCH...and I kind of wonder if he could get us someone like ATHANASIOU...another reason I’d like them to hold onto hose two is that I think the implosion of the Ducks and the situation in Ottawa, plus the very real likelihood that there could be a PANARIN/BOBROVSKY blockbuster is going to really make this a buyer’s market. And if I were to guess, neither one will bring home the haul they are worth.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 10:47 am EST

Quick postscript on McILRATH, since he came up...there was a lot of grumbling around here that he was being held back by AV and the Rangers and this prevailing ‘turn-the-other-cheek’ attitude...but in the years since his trade from the Panthers to the Red Wings, he has played exactly ZERO games in the NHL. And he’s on a Detroit team that is pretty bereft of defense...but I will say this: The Rangers, for good or for bad, are very well known for granting fresh beginnings to young players who have exhausted their opportunities with the team. And McILRATH was one of those guys. What frustrates me, however, is that he’s EXACTLY the type of guy a team like the Pack needs right now...a guy who can provide veteran leadership who knows the organization inside and out...another guy who comes to mind is Ryan BOURQUE. Again, a very solid player who gives 110 percent, but just never could break through...Mat BODIE is another...Ryan GRAVES...and most recently...Cole SCHNEIDER...even Adam TAMBELLINI(though he was less of a guy who I could credit for effort)...other teams hold onto these guys because they DO have utility with the farm team...and when they get traded, they almost NEVER bring back the return that is worth a damn. I’ve been analyzing the problems with the Pack at length...and I think the most SERIOUS one is that they really do lack any semblance ofmon-ice leadership. The guys who COULD lead the team are too goddamn young...the guys who SHOULD lead the team just don’t give a flying fuck, cuz Hartford is just another audition for an NHL contract elsewhere. The Peter HOLLANDS and Bobby BUTLERS know some team is gonna pick them up eventually. Just pad the stats and wait...so back to Mac, it’s a real shame Gorton and Drury do these ‘favors’ for players while they’re under contract. Maybe it’s guys actually asking for an exit or a new opportunity. But I have a feeling that’s not the case. And it’s high time the Rangers start to cultivate veteran leadership in Hartford that comes WITHIN the organization and not from outside of it...the upside is also that some of these guys could come in handy in a pinch...as could be expected, the Ranger and Hartford systems are basically identical. And when you have guys who have been playing together and in the same system for several years, it’s a hell of a lot easier to fit in when the big club needs help...just some thoughts.

tdchi


Mon Feb 11 2019 10:43 am EST

Who cares about a slow, career AHL-er?

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 11 2019 9:06 am EST

Trade Big Mac has an A on his jersey, and won the poll 100% to 0 in that fight. Another first round pick that didn’t pan out.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 11 2019 9:00 am EST

Asked if he could have had a better birthday, Georgiev deadpanned, “A shutout?’’

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:41 am EST

Mfred the gm has picked the path of cya and called it as becoming a perennial contender, maybe some year. Otherwise he would be resigning ufas and trading guys his coach doesn’t want, picks , and prospects to improve his roster for this year, next year, and beyond. While restocking his farm teams . But that’s assuming he can walk and chew gum without putting the gum on the bottom of his shoes. Right now he’s forcing his coach to play 7 d . Last night they needed 8 d or more. Some paying nyr fans are lucky their goaltenders have been stealing games , defying the gravity of tanking. I’m surprised that Georgie Boy is not in Hartford to help the gm lose for Hughes.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 11 2019 8:23 am EST

Rangers played a great game last night!

Jerry_Garcia


Mon Feb 11 2019 12:24 am EST

Melville, Howden? Really? Ready to dump a 20 year old? Keep pending UFA's, trade a rookie to avoid becoming a laughingstock? What's wrong with 2018 draft class? Why not dump Kravtsov and 2019 Rangers 1st, while we are at it?

andrei


Sun Feb 10 2019 11:40 pm EST

So we move a solid D man in McQuaid and get what a 4th rounder.....Hayes and Zuucccc? Whats the return.....ditch Namestnikov, Smith, Howden and Bueknevitch. Get whatever you can for them. Why become a total laughingstock. Just remember who’s doing the drafting here. And where are all the great “Kids” we got last year, not seeing much progress.

Melvillefred


Sun Feb 10 2019 11:20 pm EST

For all the Big Mac fan boys on here... https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n258050

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:33 pm EST

RF4L - with the Leafs, I don't think it's just the unwillingness to respond that way..but moreso, liek the Rangers, they just dont like to play that way...It will be more of a factor from here on in..I look forward to the POs and guys liek Matthews, Marner and NYlander getting hit and hit

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:31 pm EST

Name right now is a 4th liner. Nothing wrong with that except he's paid like a top 6er...

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:30 pm EST

Hospo: Well it sure seems the Rangers are deepest in goal...

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:30 pm EST

WILD -- Why would the Leafs or anybody want somebody like Namestnikov that averages around 13-14 mins a night and has one assist in the last 20 games and gets paid 4 million a year for it?? Bercasue he trys? I hope they do..but I think the Rangers are stuck with him

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:29 pm EST

Wild: Zaitsev I think is one the Leafs would like to get rid of. After that, no.

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:28 pm EST

Hospo: To be fair Hyman and Kadri can be physical but there's most definitely a lack of a mindset to respond hard immediately if/when a Leaf gets gooned. It's a problem (or will be come PO time) that if not addressed will mean IMO no deep PO run.

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:27 pm EST

RF4L - then he must have broke The King's record becasue on the telecast they mentijed that they were the only two to have over 50 saves on their birthday..The King did it last year during that stretch that got everybody pissed at him and the team for winning...

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:27 pm EST

RF4l: I haven't looked. Do the Leaves have any contracts they want to shed? they may take Name to do that and add for the cup run this year.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:26 pm EST

Wild...Leafs won't be interested in Name (too much money for what he brings given their cap issue) but McQuaid? Yes (or they should be interested). The TO media has speculated lately about that...

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:21 pm EST

BTW (and wow the stats that are tracked today...): Geo set an NHL record with his 55 saves as the most saves for goalie on his birthday - this stat started to be tracked in 1987/88.

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:19 pm EST

jratelle....wow dude, that's very un Lady Bing of you. Maybe you should change your handle to nfotiu! ;^)

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:17 pm EST

STRANGE.... In December the League voted to move back the draft to 2021. Bettman said it was to give Seattle more time to finish their new rink. That could be true, but It's just as likely that the NHL doesn't want to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth from the potential lockout that's coming.... Anyway, Hank's deal will be up at the end of 2020-21 and we can then protect Georgiev. Shestyorkin will be exempt from the Expansion Draft.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:59 pm EST

I've said it before, I'll say it again... We need to play GEO more. To know what we've got and to make him more attractive to a future trading partner, but that just wont happen with HANK here ....iLYA... One you said it, I remembered it. You have a great memory,

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:56 pm EST

Nice win. Too bad they should be loosing! ;^P. Now, I wouldn't want to trade Geo, but if things remain the same come the Seattle expansion draft he would be the one exposed. Hank needs to except the inevitable and retire or accept a trade at some point before then so we could sign some schlep to be the 'exposed one'.

NYStranger


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:53 pm EST

Ok, here is how I'm gonna get arrested tomorrow: I'm gonna be getting off the ice with my son's team once practice ends. One of the dads who never put on skates in his life is gonna say something like "Wow, the Rangers really played great last night!" Then, I'm gonna kick him in the balls and punch his teeth out. Hope my wife has bail money.

Jratelle19


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:47 pm EST

Rhet, I believe it was in Vancouver Mike Richter made 59 waves back in 1991 lol

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:44 pm EST

you can't type it either!

mf


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:44 pm EST

Kenny Albert @KennyAlbert · 5m Only two NHL goalies stopped 50+ shots on their birthday in the last 32 years: Henrik Lundqvist 2018 Alexandar Georgiev 2019 @NYRangers @MSGNetworks (thanks @ehornick )

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:44 pm EST

IGOR SHESTERKIN turned 23 December 30th & Hank has 2 more at $8.5mill after this season... Might as well keep all 3 and play the tri-fecta, "hey, you never know!" http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10738

mf


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:43 pm EST

OK...this kid last season was hard to understand...his English has gotten a LOT better...damn....I cant even speak English properly half the time LOL

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:42 pm EST

trade: thats VERY true. It's not like Name hasn't shown the ability to play with top end players. In reality the Leafs are a perfect fit for a guy like him. he doesn't do it himself, he doesn't make player around him better but the kid can be made better by top end players. I would bet he would look better for the Rangers in place of Zucc just because Zbad and Kreider are playing so well, but nothing like he could look with those skill guys on the top two lines in Toronto....I all reality if I was the Leafs I would at least inquire about the guy....brings some stuff they dont have a lot of, and a guy that has shown to be able to play at a high level with high level guys.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:39 pm EST

Happy Birthday GEORGIE...….56 shots ! You Da man !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

Got to think some teams will be calling about Georgiev....especially after tonight....I wonder what the Rangers have planned for him moving forward. If they dont see him as a long term guy for the team (I have no reason to think they do or dont just musing) now would be the time to get the most for him. IMHO I think he should be groomed to be the backup for years to come. I dont see starter in him, not sure what it is, but I just dont see it, but if the Russian kid is the real deal to take over for Hank, Georgiev may be "that guy" who does a great job as a backup...and why not home grow one rather than going and getting a vet to swap in year after year.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

He wear no shoeshine ... He got toe jam football ... He got monkey finger ... He shoot Coca-Cola ... Nice Win!

mf


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

Wildcard....Rangers should show the Leafs Exhibit "A" ,,,,, Namestinkov with Stamkos and Kucherov as line mates.....

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:37 pm EST

RF4L... In regard to SKJEI: i don't want to jinx the guy but he's played well of late.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:37 pm EST

RF4L has bragging rights! For me, I fly my arse to NY and they get shut out by Carolina, next game they beat Toronto. It figures.

Bob


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:35 pm EST

So Points for Hayes and Zucc and McQuaid in what might be their last Rangers home game.....

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:33 pm EST

Skjei a pillar of defensive strength this period. He's back!

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:33 pm EST

Name would become the most physical F on the Leafs by a long way....wonder if the Leafs would be interested in him and McQuaid? The need some jam badly...they will get run out of the building against any of the other top end teams

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:29 pm EST

LOL... Mike Richter had 59 saves in a game. A franchise record.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:28 pm EST

54 saves. Ridiculous.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:23 pm EST

RF4L - They play "toejam hockey" When Kapanen is your most physical forward, they can have problems...

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:23 pm EST

Trade...I prefer the term spanked.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:21 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtUtXRRbQR0

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:19 pm EST

RF4L will be getting flogged tonight....Hide the women and children!

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:19 pm EST

RF4l: LOL...that is awesome....

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:19 pm EST

this game is exhibit A on why people who rely on CORSI to show who is good/bad, who will win/lose, whatever, and rely on it alone are so out of touch with hockey.....

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:18 pm EST

Leafs jam equals the sum of what's between my toes and I showered 3 hours ago.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:13 pm EST

Rhet: To be fair they have been talking about the Leafs as a whole, and Georgiev.....and really that is the story line...they also have been talking about Mathews being held mostly ineffective (for him) by the Rangers....Yeah the Rangers are int he lead, but really, the Leafs have been taking it to them....skill wise at least, as Hospo (I think) said, this team for being a cup hopeful doesn't have much "jam"

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:06 pm EST

The NYR are leading 2-1 but all these jokers have been talking about it Toronto. Also, I feel like they are pronouncing Patrick Marleau's name wrong.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:05 pm EST

Kreider should be double shifted the entire period...all year, the only lines and players that score have had him on it..

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:01 pm EST

Unfortunately.......Georgiev has the eagle eye tonight....He will NOT give up another goal this evening

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:56 pm EST

WILD - You could be right baout FAST but, either way, he needs to be on a 3rd/more defsnive line no matter what..Maybew h aggraavated the injury (hip??) that he had fixed in the off season..As for Namestnikov, he trys and works ahrd...but...

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:54 pm EST

E - It's Ice Capade city..Neither team really has the desire or need to play physical in this game...For a team with Cup aspirations, the LEAFS are one soft ass team..a really skilled one,,,but still..Goeorgiev pretty damn good tonight..

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:53 pm EST

RF4L: I am still thinking Fast is injured. He barely practices....has lots of "maintenance days" and his game is just off and has been since that couple game stretch that he saw time on the bench after hits. The only other thing is maybe the Rangers told him he may be traded, if that is the case it could be he is struggling the way Zucc was there for a bit. He could be mentally drained waiting to see what his future is....but I tend to think its injury of some sort...and if thats the case I don't get why they continue to play him. Maybe once the trades are done and the season slips out of reach he will be shut down, but it just seems like his play warrants a longer rest to get whatever is up figured out and fixed.

Wildcard


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:46 pm EST

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/calgary-flames-players-teeth-fly-out-during-game

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:42 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl .... Alexandar Georgiev is up to 38 saves through two periods. Heck of a night so far for the goalie who is celebrating his 23rd birthday today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:40 pm EST

39 sog can they hit 60 ? A defensive gem

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:40 pm EST

Man the Leafs really need to have the riot act read to them.,. they're mostly just going through the motions right now.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:34 pm EST

I thought he was pretty good in the first, but I haven't noticed him in the second.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:32 pm EST

Rhet...must be secondary.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:32 pm EST

Buttman banished the instigator penalty a while ago...

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:31 pm EST

RF4L... STROME has an assist.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:31 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Pionk, minding his own business as the play leaves the zone, is attacked. Cross-checked, and challenged to a fight. But no instigator penalty -- or any kind of extra minor -- is assessed to TOR's Zach Hyman. Just 5 each for fighting.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:30 pm EST

Is Strome playing??

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:29 pm EST

Good thing PIONK didn't break the Hyman.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:21 pm EST

Name on the other isn't. He's what Fast used to me albeit more physical.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:20 pm EST

What is up with Fast? Totally invisible. Again.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:10 pm EST

Nah...that penalty was Van Halen "Diver Down"

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:10 pm EST

DeA will be in the pressbox next game.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:02 pm EST

Rhet I don’t want the mighty Quinney fired , but the honeymoon is over. He needs to wtfu with his players , especially his pets .

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:00 pm EST

Take “part of “ out that mess

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:59 pm EST

And part of the problem is becoming the coach will close his eyes to crap like his boy Captain Kirk did .

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:55 pm EST

Rf4l Captain Kirk had no one to drop pass it to besides Georgie so he iced it by not going 2 feet more to get passed the redline. What a jerk rookie mistake.

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:53 pm EST

Worse for them than for us.... They should be killing us right now.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:46 pm EST

Why does TO vs. the NYR turn into an exercise in open ass pond hockey every time they play? No matter what. Coaches not thrilled

E


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:44 pm EST

Good on Geo. Fab first...

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:44 pm EST

DeAngelo is having a rough night.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:43 pm EST

Shittenkirk...WTF

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:40 pm EST

Boo has hands of poo.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:37 pm EST

I don't want to trade Kreider. It would be too hard to replace him. it doesn't mean that I wont give him shit though.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:34 pm EST

Rhet........that’s a high class problem....not an issue.

Melvillefred


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:34 pm EST

Rhet...surprise surprise. But don't dare trade him!!!

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:33 pm EST

21 to 4 in shots. Lololol...

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:31 pm EST

Member when Chris Kreider was wayyyy ahead of anyone else on the team in goals? Now he's just one goal ahead of Z-Bad in both players 55th game played ...24-23... hmmm.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:30 pm EST

I hear that Tony's dog is actually a Seeing-Eye dog !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:29 pm EST

Yeah...those trades were the start of over a decade of embarrassment foe this organization...

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:28 pm EST

Also an idiot

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:28 pm EST

Now he can go with 6 d

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:27 pm EST

Bob...the defenseman was Mattias Norstrom who had an outstanding career and was just what we needed

jnyr


Sun Feb 10 2019 7:26 pm EST

Geesh. DeA...iduoy.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 6:45 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Warmup lines for the @NYRangers are: ....Kreider-@MikaZibanejad-@zuccarello36.... @19Vesey-@KevinPHayes12-Buchnevich... (blank)-Nieves-Fast.... D pairs: ....@BradySkjei-McQuaid.... Staal-@TonyDee07.... Smith-@shattdeuces.... @NPionk95 took rushes with the Nieves-Fast line. ....Georgiev starts in goal

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 6:11 pm EST

Gorton started a trend with “the letter.” Last week, Ottawa’s Owner sent the letter and today I got one from the Ducks owners. It appears to be the in move when your team falls on their faces. As for Zubov and Nedved, I believe it was Campbell who wanted them gone. The Messier trade was the one that brought in the cast of clowns from the Kings for one of my favorite Rangers D prospects. That was the day that Jarri Kurri and Shane Churla became Rangers, if I am not mistaken.

Bob


Sun Feb 10 2019 6:09 pm EST

Pack back to their shitbox ways this afternoon...

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 5:53 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... From Wisconsin athletic department: K'Andre Miller sore today, will be evaluated tomorrow for lower body injury after crashing into wall with left leg late in Saturday night's match v Ohio State.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 5:51 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello ... Pionk back in tonight vs. Leafs. Lettieri will be scratched, so 11 forwards, 7 defensemen again. Georgiev in goal. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 5:14 pm EST

Rhet: Here's the full story on NHL.com: https://www.nhl.com/news/new-york-rangers-forward-mats-zuccarello-hopes-for-trade-resolution-sooner-rather-than-later/c-304696720?tid=277548856

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 5:01 pm EST

Supposedly after 94 smith would do whatever semi Colin Campbell wanted. They were friends and Smith trusted him.

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 4:56 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello wishes the Rangers would trade him 'sooner rather than later'.... https://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/mats_zuccarello_wishes_the_rangers_would_trade_him_sooner_rather_than_later/s1_14825_28408412

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 4:31 pm EST

And Keenan became one of the most despised people to come through St Louis....They hate him to this day....

PJ


Sun Feb 10 2019 4:19 pm EST

It’s hard to explain Mess situation, a hero here and a goat in Vancouver, it’s all speculation what happened there but he’s the most hated Canuck there in his first season there he was held responsible for a lot of changes including hiring Keenan, his time in Vancouver hurt his legacy but that’s ignored here in nyc, fans in Vancouver were disgusted by his performance there, they were also disgusted by watching messier crying in first game back as a Canuck while he was looking at the scoreboard watching him beating on the Canucks lol

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 4:15 pm EST

Keenan wanted to go st Louis because he wanted to be in charge of all player decisions.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 4:12 pm EST

TD.... As far as Messier wanting ZUBOV and NEDVED gone at the time, that's mostly just rumor and innuendo. The rumor at the time on ZUBOV was that Messier wanted him gone because Zubov was a chain smoker (so bad that he even smoked in the shower). That reason just doesn't make a lot of sense. A lot of guys on the team smoked, including Messier. Steve Larmer who was pretty tight with Messier was also a chain smoker... Rangers coach Colin Campbell was critical of Zubov (he still had lapses in his defensive play and wasn't very physical on the ice). Do you think that made a bigger impression on Neil Smith or Messier supposedly not liking him because he was a chain smoker? ....Curiously, it was rumored that Pittsburgh traded Zubov based on having something to do with personality in the locker room, as well as his refusal to shoot through open lanes on the PP. For some reason, he just didn't get along with the Mario/Francis/Jagr/Barrasso core, though nobody's ever publicly specified what the exact problem was. ...On paper: Luc Robitaille and Ulf Samuelsson looked like a huge win for the .NYR's. Who new that Robitaille wouldn't be able to deal with the pressure of playing in NY.... OR really, him playing anywhere other than LA.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:54 pm EST

On Messier: Apologies if this was mentioned already but bottom line was Smith thought he was replacing Messier with Sakic . I wonder if Smith liked Air Force One ???

shonuff


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:53 pm EST

Neil Smith was right in asking how many times does he have to pay Messier for the Cup....

PJ


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:44 pm EST

TD... You don't like Messier, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is that he NEVER wanted to leave NY. He didn't feel wanted with Smith's offer of a 1-year deal at $1.4 million less than he made the year before.... Also: Why should he take whatever peanuts that SMITH was offering? .... This is per a NY Times article at the time, "The Messiers made a stop in Washington on Friday to meet with the Capitals' owner, Abe Pollin. There were other offers as well. Detroit was reportedly in the running with a three-year, $15 million bid. The Capitals apparently offered the most at $21 million for three years. But the Capitals are in the Rangers' division, and Messier simply did not want to face his former teammates at least six times a year." ....On paper. Back in New York, however, Messier's close friends were saying privately that he was still not sure about moving, that he wanted to somehow remain with the team he helped guide to the Stanley Cup in 1994, breaking a 54-year drought.... ''It was clear that he was wrestling with a highly emotional situation,'' Chapple said.... So that evening Messier phoned the Rangers to give them one last chance. He wanted to know if New York's final offer was indeed for $10 million over two years, the figure the Rangers had leaked to the New York news media. Messier said that Smith's reply was one year, $4.6 million.... ''And we said, 'Thank you, very much,' '' Messier said... That is, thanks, but no thanks.... https://www.nytimes.com/1997/07/31/sports/in-signing-messier-canucks-persistence-paid-off.html

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:39 pm EST

Unfortunately they aren’t enough facts about what happened in 1994 and beyond.... but one fact is they got rid of the curse of 1940 and replaced it with the curse of nosen 94.... And there aren’t many facts in the present. ... guess the gm and the coach are on different pages with my cousin Vinny. .... but this 7 d concept doesn’t seem to be working, unless the goal is to tank . Hopefully he puts tony de as a forward, and rolls 4 lines.

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:08 pm EST

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the ZUBOV trade related to MESSIER'S wishes? I know he thought NEDVED was soft. But I thought it went with Zubby too...And as for MEssier 'not wanting to leave,' I call BS. Sure, Smith stuck the screws to him. But the door was open for him to stay and decided to chase the money. Which was his choice, of course. But this narrative that he was forced to Vancouver? BS. Total BS. The Garden catered to him. He was larger than life. And sure, that's going to raise any GM's hackles...But I tell you what...and here's why I just won't ever like MEssier that much...He had a chance to win another cup with the Rangers. A GOOD chance. He decided to follow the money instead. And once got more money? He came back. Me, me, me. MEssier.

tdchi


Sun Feb 10 2019 3:03 pm EST

E - I agree with everything you just said..but, as you mentioned, the bottom line is the Cup and everything else is speculation..RHET - I wont disagree that maybe MESS and team leaders got them over the Hump afer Keenan's melt down..but, OTOH, I don't know either way...And even if it's true, the Rangers of 93-94 were't getting to that hump without Keenan's method's and what he wanted on the roster..JMWO

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:58 pm EST

No news yet on the severity of K’Andre Miller's knee injury.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:51 pm EST

E... I will always contend that it was Messier that got us over the hump when Keenan imploded/got caught red handed in the cookie jar (AKA. negotiating with St. Louis). Winning the Stanley Cup was never Keenan's priority, it was more important for him to negotiate his next deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:48 pm EST

Thanks tdchi

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:37 pm EST

HOSPO: We’ll never know. That was the best playoff built New York Rangers team in my life to that date. Would Roger Neilson, Brooks get them there with that personnel? No idea. But to the victors go the spoils of war. Keenan got it done and the others didn’t. And that’s the bottom line. The rest is speculation. Keenan did however, take that team to an edge where they almost caved. I was at the NJ game where he benched Buek, and went on a tirade. We could hear him going off. I remember McT staring at Keenan like he wanted to punch him in the face when he was ripping Potsie for a reason I didn’t understand either. He was going up and down the bench. When we left the arena my fams and I thought it was over. The air was completely out of the balloon. I didn’t get it. My father didn’t go to work the next day (I think it was a Tuesday or Wednesday) and we went to a diner for steak and eggs. We thought it was definitely over. Keenan seemed uncharacteristically unhinged. Usually, he was mellow behind the bench. But in the end, he was the guy who closed the deal. Blunt force or not, he got the team there. But I was just fine with him leaving afterwards. I think he took that team as far as it would end up going.

E


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:19 pm EST

https://lastwordonhockey.com/2019/02/10/nhl-trade-rumors-ottawa-senators-toronto-maple-leafs-winnipeg-jets/

mf


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:11 pm EST

Steve, I agree if we won’t see progress next year just young players floating around the ice like Buch and Vesey do nothing they should be fired, we need players not just prospects !!

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:06 pm EST

Stanley Cup rings matter

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:03 pm EST

Anaheim FINALLY fires Carlyle. What took them so long?

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:03 pm EST

tradestar28 - I think all three have that potential...but the guy who has the best skill set? HAJEK, hands down. I know some wannabe pundits are already grousing about Hajek and how much of a disappointment he is(see BullshitBanter), but the skills he has are of the top pairing variety. RYKOV has a similar skill set, but I'm a little in the dark about him. Seen far less of him.

tdchi


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:03 pm EST

RF4L - My bad...but the point still stands abou the options GOrdo has put at DQ's disopsal..and, if true, Letteri is where he belongs.can we just fond one fast, banging quasi-talented 4th liner anywhere?

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:59 pm EST

Hospo: Letteri is pressboxed. That DQ would prefer a 7 11 configuration over playing Letteri shows me what he thinks of the kid, which obviously isn't much. My as well send him back down again. This year's draft needs to focus on forwards for sure. There's so little depth in the organization in that regard, especially on the wing.

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:58 pm EST

As per E.... "And MZA can’t be an upgrade to Pavelski, Donskoi, and Labanc"

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:48 pm EST

E - That he was, but that Ranger team needed a blunt instrunent..Or we would still be hearing 1940!!

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:47 pm EST

11 forwards but with Nieves and Lettieri it kinda boils down to 9 forwards....but with basically one line and HAYES that can contribute offensively....it's really, really hard to win no matter how hard they try and dont quit..Just imagine in three weeks with Zucc and Hayes gone what the last month of the season will look like..They better tank!

Hospo


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:22 pm EST

E...what about MZA?

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:18 pm EST

I don’t ever think Keenan was a great coach. He was no tactical mind. He had instincts for motivation. But for as much as he was instrumental in helping the New York Rangers to elevate their game he had an equal penchant for pushing the team over the edge at the wrong times. He was a blunt instrument and not a scalpel.

E


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:12 pm EST

Can’t see what the Sharks could use of the New York Rangers trade bait. Outside possibility that they’d like McQuaid. They’re good at center. Hayes isn’t a better option then Couture, Hertl, and Thornton. And MZA can’t be an upgrade to Pavelski, Donskoi, and Labanc. So, whatever SJ wants is minor and would be a minor return.

E


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:09 pm EST

DQ going with the inane 7 11 lineup tonight. Guess he's bought into the tank.

RF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 11:25 am EST

2019 NHL Trade Deadline is Monday Feb 25, 3:00pm ... that's 15 days & 3.5 hours....... FYI : Mark Stone, Duchene, Dzingel have not committed to OTT just yet and are certainly weighing on the market with time running down....

mf


Sun Feb 10 2019 10:04 am EST

Kevin Kurz ‏ Verified account @KKurzNHL .... Two teams that seem to be scouting the Sharks with regularity lately are the Canadiens and Rangers

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:38 am EST

Mike Keenan showing why he can't even hold a KHL job. Out of touch with his best days behind him.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:12 am EST

Hospo: Well it's about time the Pack won!

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 9:12 am EST

Decent article: https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-georgiev-lundqvit-shestyorkin/

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:58 am EST

Keenan's motivation tactics wouldn't work in today's NHL, either.

rF4l


Sun Feb 10 2019 8:35 am EST

Basically Keenan is saying that this is not your Daddy's NHL anymore

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 6:13 am EST

“Today’s players, to me, are not engaged in the game as much,” Keenan said at the Garden on Friday in advance of the Blueshirts’ 25-year Stanley Cup reunion. “It’s not as compelling, and maybe that’s part of what has transpired with the mentality of the new player coupled with the change in the rules. “The athlete today is well-tuned, well-trained, well-conditioned [but] I’m not sure if they have the mental skills or toughness that the [1994 Rangers] had, or Vancouver.”

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 5:28 am EST

Ilya the mighty Quinney needs to learn how to do that with his gm. The both of them have no excuses next season.

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:40 am EST

Obviously Collie learned it from Keenan knew how to get NS to make a deal that he wanted!!!

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:38 am EST

Zubov trade wasn’t just him it was Camplell’s wish, just think Neil was hypnotized by Camplell bc they were great friends and Neil trusted him , getting Luc in the deal was to replace Gartners goals !!

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:33 am EST

Good to see Neil Smith again touch tough unbearable situation he’s in with his son, I recall that some ppl here way back when that NS wouldn’t move his favorites he moved Amonte and Gartner bc Keenan wanted him too and of course he couldn’t move Graves Leetch Richter bc of Mess he would interfere if any of those players would be included however after Mess left he wanted to Trade remember that article by Larry Brooks that rangers would do Graves for Owen Nolan from San Jose, he nearly let Richter go and sign Cujo however he would never ever trade Leetch !!!

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 1:28 am EST

Good to see Neil Smith again touch tough unbearable situation he’s in with his son, I recall that some ppl here way back when that NS wouldn’t move his favorites he moved Amonte and Gartner bc Keenan wanted him too and of course he couldn’t move Graves Leetch Richter bc of Mess he would interfere if any o

Ilya


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:30 am EST

More importantly, the following three Dmen... LINDGREN, HAJAK AND RYKOV.... Who is supposed to be the one with the most potential in NHL? Are any of these dudes a top pairing material?

tradestar28


Sun Feb 10 2019 12:25 am EST

I would not say McLeod got beat up... Pretty even fight... Also, if u look at the prior fights vs Maroon... McLeod fares pretty decently

tradestar28


Sat Feb 9 2019 11:57 pm EST

Video: https://twitter.com/StarsStripesHKY/status/1094439268926345217

RDW


Sat Feb 9 2019 11:51 pm EST

Chris Peters ‏ Verified account @chrismpeters Follow Follow @chrismpeters More Wisconsin’s K’Andre Miller (NYR) went coast to coast, lost his footing and slammed hard into the boards. Was down for a few minutes, putting no weight on left leg as he goes off. Does not look good for one of the best freshmen Dmen in the country. Headed to room.

RDW


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:45 pm EST

RF4L - BTW, Your WolfPack won tonight. 2-1 with uber prospects Holland and Grop scoring...I looked over the roster and it is B-A-D bad...Lindgren almost ready..Hajak needs much more..then you have role players ANdersson and Miskannen maybe some time next year..but will likely More Nieves and Lettieris...That's it..KRAPSHOT cant come over soon enough

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 8:54 pm EST

Hospo....yep. agreed!

RF4l


Sat Feb 9 2019 6:22 pm EST

PJ - Yep to all of that..been saying it for awhile

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 6:21 pm EST

PuckYou - we wouldnt have (OK, IMWO)..Weight and Amonte's careers meant absoultley nothing to me..the price of winning a Cup......RF4L - More important than how McLeod fared in a fight is who on the Ranger will take on a big guy if needed (not including the soon to be dealt McQ)..win..lose or draw

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 5:12 pm EST

McLeod in his 1st fight as a Predator round II gets beat up by Patrick Maroon.

RF4l


Sat Feb 9 2019 2:57 pm EST

A very moving and emotional ceremony...Followed by a boring uninspired effort where the Rangers were shutout on home ice....Face it, Kreider is our only winger that can score...Zucc can be very effective but would rather pass....The rest are role players or are marginal at best....Needed Buch and Vesey to step it up this year and in my opinion they gave regressed...Disagree on Vesey playing well in spite of not scoring....Many nights it is the third period before I notice he is playing....He has also had the same type of turnover issues as Buch.....

PJ


Sat Feb 9 2019 1:09 pm EST

But seeing how rough those games were, Momesso, Craven, Canucks were a BIG team. I often wondered if we would have won without Noonan, Matteau, Tikk and Anderson had we kept the other guys. After watching the series again, I think probably not. Keenan was right that there are 2 seasons, the playoffs are different, officiating is different. I regretted watching the brilliant careers Amonte and Weight went on to have, but I’ll never regret winning the Cup. Brian Leetch was so dominant in those playoffs, maybe the best Ranger ever.

Puckyou


Sat Feb 9 2019 1:03 pm EST

Watching game 4 of 94 SCF .Courtnall running everyone, Momesso. Terrible officiating really stood out, was a dirty, desperate game. It was Leetch vs. Bure, what a show they both put on, Leetch with a goal and 3 assists, the pass he made to Kovy off the pp rush with 5 minutes or so to play was sick. Richter with the stop on Bure on the penalty shot of course. I remember watching the series back in 94, always regretting trading Amonte, Weight, Gartner

Puckyou


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:51 pm EST

STEVIE - So much of your stuff I cant understand...but I like "frustrangers"!!

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:06 pm EST

One of the more interesting statements came from Keenan talking about watching the 1994 finalson tape this week, and being surprised how rough and tumble those games were. ....... and therein lies the problem. The present day nyr do not and probably can not play that way . And have not in a long time, with the exception of that habnot series when veenyo was the coach, and then reverting back to lose in the 2nd round to Ottawa. .... they talk about getting character guys , but they need to get guys who can and do play with big gonads. .... they are the frustrangers . They are not relentless.

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 10:30 am EST

RHET: I think the changes in HAYES numbers (both goals and assists) is due to him going to the net more with and without the puck. He is never going to be a physical player that hits and punishes people. He doesn't have to be and neither does BUCH. But they have to take the puck to the net and they have to go to the net without the puck. They can't prance along the outside and take slapshots from 50 feet away and think they are going to score.

Vic


Sat Feb 9 2019 10:28 am EST

BTW, Gorton please get off your hands!

rF4l


Sat Feb 9 2019 10:24 am EST

VIC... Where Hayes numbers really that much better last season? He had more goals but less points. The 25 goals was clearly an anomaly. He is having a terrific season this year but who's to say that isn't an anomaly as well?

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:57 am EST

STEVIE: Excellent graphic that shows what I think most folks just know from watching. If you want to score goals in the NHL you have to go to the net and slot with the puck, and without it for deflections and rebounds. If you add up those percentages it shows that 73% of all goals were scored in the NHL last year from the crease out to the high slot. And how many chances did the Rangers generate in that area last night? Not many. I still think there is hope for VESEY because he goes to the crease and isn't afraid to go to the tough areas of the ice. He just needs to do more when he is there. BUCH, on the other hand, doesn't like to get dirty. And unless he finally gets it that he is going to have to if he wants to score consistently in this league, he is never going to live up to his talent level. The change in HAYES was that HAYES finally got it last year and his numbers have been much better ever since. KREIDER has blossomed as a net front player these last few years. He gets it now. He isn't trying to be the guy flying in on breakaways all of the time now. He will take it if it is there but he knows he can dominate in front of the net and be a much more effective player now.

Vic


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:51 am EST

It was a terrific ceremony. No one does that stuff better than MSG. The final straw was the anthem with the mic and Amirante video. I enjoyed hearing JD chanted again. As for the game, these players pass up shots, make silly passes and play on the perimeter far too much. Henrik was fantastic, the rest of them not so much. Brendan Smith was a heart attack on nearly every shift, and pairing him with Shattenkirk is like playing with matches in a dynamite shed. The officiating was a joke, as crosschecks tomthe mouth are apparently within the rules these days.

Bob


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:51 am EST

After watching the replay of SCF Game 7 prior to last night’s game it’s easy to understand why this year’s team AND coach were a disgrace last night…You only had to look at the total lack of reaction to the Xcheck/no call to the face/eye on Namestkov…Quinn “made believe” he was angry when he yelled at the ref…Not getting anywhere with that, his reaction should have been for someone/anyone/everyone to go after the perpetrator… “4th line” Foegle or ANYONE on the Canes…But no, we have to maintain Marques of Queensberry décor and allow Foegle to "poke us in the eye” again by scoring the game winner…I’m getting down on this rookie coach who barks like a junkyard dog but is nothing more than a wimp when it comes to exacting any kind of ba!!s/revenge/don’t mess with us in our building…Where is your pride?... especially when you have the Stanley Cup Champion team in attendance...What a downer after all of the weeks events preceding the game.

RF73


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:46 am EST

https://www.omha.net/news_article/show/667329-the-science-of-scoring

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:37 am EST

As for the game last night I think we all expected a loss after the ceremony because it seems like they usually do lose on most of these "event nights". Carolina was really good defensively last night. And the Rangers just don't have enough top end talent to break through if they are playing teams that are committed to shutting down chances. It was for all intents and purposes a 1 to 0 game, discounting the two empty net goals. HAYES had the best chance of the night and you really can't blame him for not scoring on it. He did everything he could but SLAVIN just made an excellent play to save the goal. SLAVIN had a tremendous night. Not much else to talk about in that game. I know some have already given up on VESEY but I haven't. He is doing so many things that I like and he is definitely playing with an edge. I keep hoping that the puck is just going to start going in for him like it did for LECLAIR in his mid to late 20s. Because outside of the fact that he isn't producing statistically the way I think he should and can his game is fine. I'm less hopeful with BUCH. Not because he doesn't have the skill...he does. BUCH just doesn't seem to want to go to the "red zone" (crease area or high slot) with or without the puck. He just isn't ever going to score at a significant rate until he does. And the rest of his game doesn't justify him being out there if he isn't scoring.

Vic


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:25 am EST

DOUBLEN: I grew up in the era when the white uniforms were what the home team wore. From 70'-71' to the lockout that is the way it was. It has been 15 years and I still can't get used to them wearing the dark jersey at home....and I still don't like it. I know a lot of people prefer the dark jersey but I don't. I always liked the white jersey better and still do. All of the Ranger jerseys that I have bought for myself and still own over the years are white. We even got a few of the Lady Liberty 3rd jerseys (CALLY and HANK) and they are white (cream colored really). I do like the dark blue Lady Liberty 3rd jersey though. If I were going to buy a blue one it would probably be that one.

Vic


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:23 am EST

Just watched the video tribute from last night's game (I assume it was part of the opening ceremonies) and I'm literally weeping. Phuck this damn team and what it does to me sometimes. I so desperately want another cup before I die.....

rF4l


Sat Feb 9 2019 9:16 am EST

Blame it on me…I predicted the Rangers would lose last night because it was a “ceremony/honoring” event and because Rosen “The Curse” kept mentioning that Carolina was winless in their last 16 visits to MSG.

RF73


Sat Feb 9 2019 8:32 am EST

Hospo the word is they are not even meeting with Hayes agent. That means he’s getting traded by the deadline. Then it becomes what happens on July 1st and beyond.

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 8:23 am EST

STEVIE - If it comes to UFA, then, yeah..But counting or banking on Panarin is pie in the sky.Over the next three weeks it coems down to does GORDO feel good or comfortable with ZBAD-HATES as his 1-2 and, if so, is he willing to meet Hayes demands NOW?..If not or even if HAYES's agent wants to try FA, you trade his ass ss soon as possible

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 7:06 am EST

Hospo if the choice is Hayes or panarin , I hope fishpie gets panarin.P +/- 51 20 40 60 11 Career GP G A P +/- 294 108 185 293 60

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 6:44 am EST

Arthur Staple ‏Verified account @StapeAthletic Sounds like Paul Theofanous now reps Panarin. He also reps Bobrovsky. And Ilya Sorokin. And he's been out to visit Lou a few times already this season. ............ Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 6h6 hours ago Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Arthur Staple He was at #NYR game the other night. Reps Vitali Kravtsov (Panarin’s linemate in ‘19-20?)

stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 6:32 am EST

Jess Rubenstein ‏ @TheProspectpark ..... Tyler Wall records his 4th shutout of the year knocking off Boston College 3-0. Wall is 6th in NCAA with 1.77 GAA and 5th in SP with a 0.923

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 9 2019 4:40 am EST

Take a look at the picture and tell me why the coach did not lose it. He should have shown the ref on his iPad. I rather see the mighty Quinney take a penalty, then let the refs continue their nonsense..he has to stand up for his team . Working the refs over is a gamble worth taking.....https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/rangers-get-embarrassed-in-front-of-franchises-last-title-team/

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 9 2019 2:12 am EST

Namestnikov’s hands are worse then Jasper Fast. Zucc and his absurd wish passes were terrible tonight. Zibenejad was clearly frustrated as he was hacked repeatedly all over the ice, and spent several commercial breaks chatting with the useless referees....who again look directly at clear infractions and decide not to make the calls. I give the coach credit for not losing it over the terrible referees.

Bob


Sat Feb 9 2019 1:17 am EST

Great point Double N, I said the same thing when I was at the game. I don’t want to see white jerseys on all the visitors. I used to look forward to see the Red Wings, Hawks, Habs, blue Leafs etc.

Pal17


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:44 am EST

MC - Yep, sometimes the biggest zealots are the converts!..Anyway, just have to disagree...I know HAYES and his size isnt as physical as I/we would want, but who the fuck on the rangers is?...Like when is the last time ZBAD and his 225 threw a check with malice? ..I Just treally like the way HAYES changed his game last year and has continued to do so this year while still trying to be skilled and offensive..ZBAD has done the same this year...I see HAYES as a more then solid two way center who could help the Rangers or any team for the next 5-7 years..

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:35 am EST

Hospo I liked you much better last year when you hated Hayes! He had 2 fairly decent months and you did a 180. Quit sticking up for him. He is soft and a guy between a second and third line center. If NYR signs him to long term deal, they will regret it.

MC


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:05 am EST

I was just watching a bunch of the 25th Anniversary celebratin stuff and, yeag, there were stars in Leetch, Mess, Richter, Graves, Zubie and Kovalev but damn did they have role and character players out the yin yang..Total defieniton of the word "team"

Hospo


Sat Feb 9 2019 12:02 am EST

But..but...Gordo got a hometown discount on Shatt!!!...HELLS - IMWO, GORDO has some good and some bad on his record as a Ranger GM and i am not holding my breath but, you are right, the moves between now and JUly will probably define him and the organization.....RF4L - I was waiting for that Pack comment...:) LIAS must be on fire!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:38 pm EST

Newfie: Shatty has been playing that way for as long as I can remember. Something tells me he's on the Phil Kessel hot dog diet.

RDW


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:35 pm EST

Shitbox Pack smacked 6 0. Gawd they suck. Nice development environment down there.

RF4l


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:33 pm EST

So one year after the letter how do you think they are doing? I am withholding judgement until after the deadline.

HellsKitchen


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:08 pm EST

Newfie: Shattenkirk played tonight?

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:08 pm EST

MSG Networks ‏ Verified account @MSGNetworks .... Before tonight's #NYR game, Mark Messier & Mike Keenan had opportunity to address the team.... https://twitter.com/MSGNetworks/status/1094084334544449536

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:07 pm EST

Hayes can deke all day long but he still can't score because he tries to pass the puck into the net.

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:05 pm EST

Hospo the only thing 'relentless and in for face' these days are all the friggin car commercials on MSG network. News to the million dollar suits: I don't need another brand new Mercedes.

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:50 pm EST

Fantastic move by Hayes on that one, actually a few tonight....still, I wouldnt be surprised if he remains goaless until the deadine if he keeps playing with this crap on his wings...He needs at least one guy to pass to or that looks to get open..Trade or extend him soon..

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:42 pm EST

i'm still not quite sure how HAYES didn't score that goal tonight. I hope he trade him soon because I really don't like how he's playing right now. Deal him while the trade value is still high.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:40 pm EST

Hospo….exactly right, I keep telling any new younger Ranger fan to watch games 5 & 6 of the Jersey series in '94 and game #7 to win the Cup and see what NHL hockey WAS all about !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:36 pm EST

Seriously though, I can't figure out if Shattenkirk plays the game like he is in an NHL old-timer game or a guy in a beer league on a thursday night ,mid-week ? I can't tell the difference ,can you ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:33 pm EST

Total Yawn..and a loss to boot..These two teams playing each other is as bad as the NHL gets...the memory of the team 25 years ago and how the hockey they played puts to shame the Rangers of today and the sleep indicing prodict they put forth..relentless and in Your Face My ass!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:30 pm EST

Quote me on that one, brooksie

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:29 pm EST

Rod brindamour looks like a retarded Tony Danza

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:28 pm EST

Atrocious passing all night.... And shattenkirk is one of the biggest pieces of garbage to put on a Rangers jersey....

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:27 pm EST

We've got to be the worst team in the League 6 on 5.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:21 pm EST

Newfie/Stranger.... lol... I would take him over Micheletti as a color guy any day of the week. it would be hysterical.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:15 pm EST

Stupid refs.. They should have a German Sheppard on a leash

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:50 pm EST

Rhet..half? That is better than me. I wonder if he is just as incomprehensible in his native Finnish?

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:49 pm EST

The Rangers appear incapable of scoring. And the skill advantage of the Carolina forwards is evident.

Bob


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:47 pm EST

Rhet...but you gotta love'em….he is one of a kind !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:46 pm EST

This game has been so bland that I feel like another 25 years have passed...and we still have the third period to go!

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:45 pm EST

Melville.....the only way to look at it is like this.....both Hayes and Zucc will not be around when the re-build is complete so move them now while other teams want them and are willing to give us back players or picks who might be around when the re-build is done ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:44 pm EST

25 years later, I still only understand half the things ESA TIKKANEN says.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:43 pm EST

It took KOVALEV 25 years to find out why Keenan left him on the ice for that 7:00 minute shift... really Alexei????

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:40 pm EST

Z-Bad is getting hacked at like he's a piece of lumber tonight.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:28 pm EST

So apparently Howie Rose and Sal Mussina were there tonight, but they didn't introduce them with everyone else because???? The NYR make strange choices ....New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers Matteau Matteau Matteau.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1094059276153356288

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:18 pm EST

DOUBLEN - Me too! Sad stuff about Smith and his son...Hope he can get back into the fold somehow...and is there waitning if and when Gordo cant get the job done

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:59 pm EST

V p1994 agree 100%

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:56 pm EST

So explain to me how we’re in a rebuild it we’re gonna move Hayes and Zucc?!! Totally stupid ????

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:50 pm EST

Joe Micheletti proving that he is a major dick just asked Eddie O, "Why didn't Keenan play you more?" ....Great/classy response by Olczyk.... "That will be in the book next spring."

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:44 pm EST

Still like the home whites over the home blues.

DOUBLEN


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:33 pm EST

Pencil in Smith or McQuaid vs j Williams

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:27 pm EST

My family tickets in 1994 were section 120 row A. Constantly had people walking in front of us. But, seeing game 1-2 New York Rangers-NYI, Washington, and a heartbreaker in the NJD series only to lose my seats to the senior members of the family for the SCF. That was a good year.

E


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:03 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun: Three teams linked to Kovalchuk in trade talks ...Three years at $6.25 million… worth it? ... https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/pierre-lebrun-three-teams-linked-to-kovalchuk-in-trade-talks?ref=trevor

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:59 pm EST

Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline .... The Athletic: Artemi Panarin, in his first English interview, smiles, jokes and laughs his way thru wide-ranging conversation about his future with #CBJ, his desire to test free agency, switching agents, the billboard attempts to keep him in Cbus and more.... https://twitter.com/Aportzline/status/1094023673931919360

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:55 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Pionk continues to be a healthy scratch, Vesey will move up with Hayes and Buchnevich #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:48 pm EST

Glenn Healy and Mike Richter together. Healy is really funny. No goaltending coach, they only had each other.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:43 pm EST

Per Brooks..... Rangers’ 1994 architect Neil Smith mends fences amid tragedy.... https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/rangers-1994-architect-neil-smith-mends-fences-amid-tragedy/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=twitter_app

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:43 pm EST

Now it’s a walk through Death Valley desert

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:39 pm EST

One more hill to climb

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:23 pm EST

If Matteau, Matteau, Matteau is not the greatest sport call of all time, it's certainly in the top 3... but screw that guy, we don't need him here... I guess.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:20 pm EST

Howie and Red Light were great on the Radio

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:18 pm EST

No Howie Rose or Sal Messina, huh?

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:14 pm EST

Rhet.....just my opinion.....and I'm sticking to it. I guess only Smith and Mess no the truth.....probably not gonna come out anytime soon !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:10 pm EST

Not want too.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:07 pm EST

Newfie... What are you talking about? Mess never wanted to leave. Smith did want to pay him for the cup anymore and wouldn't offer more than 1 year (personally, i also think he had grown a bit tired of him). Messier had heard through the beat guys that Smith had offered him a 2-year deal, Mess was willing to take it(for less money than Vancouver), but Smith told him there was no 2 year offer. Yet another example of what GM's do sway fan opinion to their side.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:07 pm EST

This organization is a joke they are lucky to have so many fans for such a fucked up organization. Celebrate 25 years ago because there is nothing else.

Vcp1994


Fri Feb 8 2019 7:03 pm EST

Just realized Jay Wells looks like old man Smithers from Scooby Doo!

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:57 pm EST

Right on cue Messier is crying

DOUBLEN


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:56 pm EST

Vic....tell me more about this jersey thing with AK27 and Potsy ???

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:54 pm EST

NYStranger…....I agree, and think that's exactly what happened between Mess and TGO. Mess had won a cup as "C" in EDM w/o him and another in NY…….he was NEVER gonna play second fiddle to Wayne again.....foolish or not but true ,I think none the less.....

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:45 pm EST

Neil Smith still looks in game shape. Bet he could still pick up the phone and make a blockbuster deal without breaking a sweat!

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:44 pm EST

Never thought I would see Smith and Keenan in the same room again

DOUBLEN


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:40 pm EST

Look at that! Those 94 Rangers fans outnumber all the Icelander and Debbie fans put together! LOL

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:38 pm EST

Oh baby chateau bow wow is the in house and looks as big as a house jd

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:38 pm EST

My tix Sec 424 Row G for the finals in 94 was $32

DOUBLEN


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:37 pm EST

The 4 Russians were the first on the Cup with the '94 win.

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:36 pm EST

One of the reasons I soured on Messier was his demands, but he got us the Cup. Still believe he went to Vancouver ultimately because he hated being second fiddle to Gretzky again. Contracts aside.

NYStranger


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:17 pm EST

Loved TIK and Larmer also...They got it done....Never saw a better first pass than what Zubov would make....What a royal pain in the arse Mess became with his demands...

PJ


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:06 pm EST

Vic.....totally agree....a guy like Tc is invaluable....

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 8 2019 6:05 pm EST

Rf4l......every time I see Zubov I could literally cry.....what a great player and the rumors at the time were that Mess wanted him moved because he wasn’t physical enough.....just watching the ‘94 CUP is painful since we’re not going to see another. A painful reminder what shit management this franchise has.

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 8 2019 5:43 pm EST

God I can't tell you how much I wish this team had a guy like TIK. You know, the TIK of his first NYR stint. Not the TIK of his 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th NYR stint.....

Vic


Fri Feb 8 2019 5:33 pm EST

When did playoff beards start by who ? 1994 nyr didn’t have beards .

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 5:07 pm EST

Man, seeing AK27 holding POTSY's jersey brings a tear to my eye.

Vic


Fri Feb 8 2019 5:06 pm EST

3 rd period of Game 7 on msg.... thanks to the curse of nosen this one will last a lifetime

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:48 pm EST

PJ - never liked him either...but..perhaps they won inspite of him at the end..but never would have got there without him that year..JMWO

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:29 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers.... The Russian Rangers. #NYR ... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1093982251438751745

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:26 pm EST

The puck drop @ MSG has been 7:08pm for a while......Did any one like the back in the day 7:38pm puck drop better?

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:24 pm EST

PJ... Same here on Keenan.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:17 pm EST

RHET - True..but both SMith and Keenan had big egos (especially Keenan), especially after the Cup..They mixed like oil and water, but got the job done somehow..no surprise it burnt down...but....Smith got Keenan exactly what he wanted and felt he needed to win..Thank God he was right and that Smith agreed it was the best way to go that year..but he still had to execute..

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:11 pm EST

Never liked Keenan and still don't.....I still say the Rangers won in spite of him....

PJ


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:10 pm EST

Lived in St Louis and watched Thorne and Clement on ESPN...I liked Gary Thorne but Clement was a Flyer douche who hated the Rangers....Scared my 5 year old daughter to death when game 7 vs. Devils ended....She is 30 now with two kids....Where has the time gone?...

PJ


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:06 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Before all of the hoopla begins for the 1994 championship celebration, today marks the one year anniversary of the Rangers announcement that they’re rebuilding. Not sure if that was the plan but still a little weird #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 4:04 pm EST

HOSPO... That's revisionist history on his part. I remember reading at the time that he wanted to be BOTH coach and GM and that wasn't going to happen in NY. There is a reason why the guy has burn his bridges EVERYWHERE he has gone.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:57 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Kovy asks Coach Keenan about playing a player for a 7 minute shift!... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1093968514803736577

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:45 pm EST

good that both Smith and Keenan are part of it...I know Keenan vows that Smith ran him out..and maybe he did...but, for one great year, it worked...Also, i just hope the human punching bag Nick Kypreos is part of it! He did so much..:)

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:30 pm EST

Now it's RICHTER, MESSIER, GRAVES and LEETCH... per the New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Almost time for 25th Anniversary of the ‘94 #NYR Championship presented by @Chase. First, let’s hear from the guys! .... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1093966426891784192

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:23 pm EST

Wasn't Zubov bumped out of town at Messier's request?

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:20 pm EST

Hell must have seriously frozen over. Neil Smith and Mike Keenan at the same table talking about the '94 NYR's.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1093966426891784192

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:11 pm EST

Reminds me of the movie SLAP SHOT.....when the fans are in the hotel and doing the bunny hop.....ROFL

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 3:07 pm EST

One of the best games that I went to in 1994 Cup was the game in Vancouver.....and for $10 u could pay to watch the game @ MSG on the scoreboard......and this was the one with the Pavel Bure penalty shot........The atmosphere at MSG was fuggin crazy.....because it was mostly younger crowd due to the ticket price being so low and availability.................In between periods, there were Rangers fans all drunk with no shirts on....aand they were running around the corridor of the green seats (300 section) with a tin foil Stanley Cup and screaming like banshees......Picture like 150 dudes doing that.....Funny as shit......Rangers won the game

tradestar28


Fri Feb 8 2019 2:54 pm EST

The two type of players this team really needs right now..a strong talented RW and talented but responsible offensive D-man..be nice to have a 21 year old Kovalev and a 22 year old ZUBOV..wouldnt it?...Smith did most of his building through trade..but those were two excellent draft picks when Russians weren't the flavor of the day..yeah, he traded Zubov in a blunder later but hey...

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 2:06 pm EST

Double Bingo Vic and Hospo! Without Kovalov, Messier and company would still be trying to explain how they failed to win that year.

Ranger47


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:54 pm EST

VIC - Bingo on KOVALEV and that game and CUp..And he did that as a freaking 21 year old ..He was a monster in some of those games

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:47 pm EST

BROOKSIE, if you are reading this I appreciate the walk down memory lane. BUT, your recap of game 6 of the Devils series is less then your best work. You were there. You saw it. Yes, RICHTER was phenomenal that night and kept them in the game. But nowhere do you mention KOVALEV. Those two were the true heroes of that game. MESSIER always gets all of the credit because of the stupid public guarantee and the "hat trick" which was really padded with the empty net goal. But MESSIER, ANDERSON, LOWE, LARMER and all of those playoff veterans were going to go down in flames if RICHTER and KOVALEV didn't put that team on their backs that night. I don't ever want to take anything away from what MESSIER did in a NY Ranger uniform to lead them to a Cup. I just want to see the two guys who deserved to be remembered for what they did that night get more credit.

Vic


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:39 pm EST

Back early. On the night of game 7 of the Devils series I was at an event at West Point with my future wife and her family. There were no smart phones back then so I had no idea what was going on. One of my favorite memories of that night was going into a stairwell in the building we were in to go downstairs. At a landing in-between floors a group of 3 or 4 girls (college age I would guess) were huddle around a radio and were listening to the game. They were dressed in gowns and all. It was just a really funny thing to see, and I got a score update. When we left and headed home to NJ I was happy that I would at least get to hear the end of the game in the car. But as we got close to home it was still going on with the 2nd overtime starting. I thought I might get home to see the end but then MATTEAU scored and HOWIE ROSE delivered the most epic and remember-able call of my lifetime. It was wild in the car. I remember people honking and flashing lights. Just a great time. I watched the highlights when I got home.

Vic


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:33 pm EST

Messier is going to guarantee another Cup sometime in the future..... it might have to do with reincarnation of the 1994 team .....

stevielegs


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:24 pm EST

For Stephane Matteau, a Famous Goal Could Not Cover the Darkness https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/sports/hockey/stephane-matteau-rangers.html

ges999


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:15 pm EST

I guess we all get replica 94 cup rings tonight. For you really old guys, visited the WTC memorial site and saw the name Garnet “Ace” Bailey on the memorial. Old guys like me will remember him scoring a game winner in Boston in one of the 1972 Cup finals games. Ace was not known as a scorer. He was a scout for the Kings and died on Flight 175 on 9/11.

Bob


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:15 pm EST

GREAT STUFF from Brooks today on remembering 1994... The broadcast booth question behind historic Rangers moment... https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/the-broadcast-booth-chaos-behind-historic-rangers-moment/ ...Also... per Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Column. For one brief shining moment, there was Camelot. https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/rangers-captured-new-yorks-heart-in-1994-like-no-other-team/

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:04 pm EST

TDCHI - or his son (just for you!)..either right now would be better than Lettieri or Nieves!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 1:00 pm EST

In honor of the cup win tonight, the Rangers should acquire Stefan MATTEAU and slide him in on fourth line. Could probably get him for a bag of pucks at this rate.

tdchi


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:47 pm EST

DREW: No, not hearing anything new. Just musing that surely he'd be reluctant to announce a trade between now and puck drop. If something gets consummated he'd probably request the other team to hold off on announcing it. That said, the player(s) involved would surely be pulled from the lineup and that would create an even bigger buzz because everyone would be speculating about why.

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:29 pm EST

rf4L, re: Gorton announcing a trade? Any rumors you are hearing. I thought I heard/read that Zuccarello cancelled an appearance?

DREW


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:29 pm EST

RF: I suppose I’m being a little hyperbolic. The games with Boston have been heated and the last game was flat out entertaining but I long for those circle the calendar games when you know it’s gonna get wild because of a steadily building tension between the teams. And that tension is palpable from warm ups where the teams are already chirping at the red lines. That used to be rivalry stuff. Now? I went to the New York Rangers vs. NYI game and there is some of that crap from fans but the teams? Might as well have been New York Rangers vs. Dallas. No sensation of pressure coming from the ice. Might as well have been that they all went to dinner before the game together.

E


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:25 pm EST

RF4L - That was indeed the most physical Ranger game of the year and "nasty" by Ranger standards...but even after the Chytl/Rask thing it never really got all that rough

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:24 pm EST

I was away on business in Canada for Game 7 and saw it at Don Cherry's sports bar on TV. What made it a bit difficult to rejoice in was the fact that I has at a round table with lots of strangers, one of which was a paraplegic who was a Canucks fan who literally moaned every time something bad happened for his team and who was nearly in tears at the end. So I had to celebrate in a very subdued, respecting manner. But when I got home my family had put up "Rangers win!" banners all over the place and presented me with a homemade tin foil Stanley Cup and we celebrated the victory together then.

Ranger47


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:08 pm EST

I live in Boston in 1994 and as I recall ESPN carried the games outside of New York and used their own announcing team. It was Gary Thorne and Bill Clement as I recall. So I didn't hear "Matteau, Matteau, Matteau" which was on the radio anyway or "This one will last a lifetime." I don't recall what Gary Thorne said. Probably something about the curse being dead. Apparently even though I didn't hear it Sam has still cursed me to never see them raise the Cup again.

HellsKitchen


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:08 pm EST

E: I seem to recall a nasty game between the Rangers and Bruins a month or so ago.

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 12:04 pm EST

HOSPO: things are getting heated between SJ and Calgary. But honestly, Tkachuk drives all that attitude coming out of Calgary. He is just constantly getting under everyone’s skin. He brings a lot of mayhem to the ice. That’s why I wanted to draft his brother so badly. They get it going. Last night Calgary gave up a bad goal and SJ buried them under. And Evandwr Kane seems to relish his chances to mix it up in these types of games. All types of games we haven’t seen from the New York Rangers in years.

E


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:57 am EST

For that 7th game I was in a hotel room in Ottawa (on business). I jumped around the room like a crazy man when it was all over - celebrating solo is an oddly fond memory I have!!!

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:56 am EST

I'm guessing Gorton won't agree to announcing a trade between now and the ceremonies lest it take away the attention the latter is generating...

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:44 am EST

LIMBO - Great stuff...Hopefully we get back to doing idiotic superstitious things like that for the Ranger before we die!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 11:37 am EST

DREW - Divine Providence

limbo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:58 am EST

limbo - I am not sure if it affected anyone else but game 6 of the Devils series, there was bad weather and the cable went out where I was in Suffolk County - we were listening to it on the radio until SportsChannel came back on. The signal returned right before the Kovalev goal.

DREW


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:46 am EST

HOSPO - not only did I watch it - I was there. About 2 rows up, just over Richter's left shoulder for 1st and 3rd. Cried like a baby. I did listen to the NJD game 6 on the radio - I didn't have that shitty SportsChannel and it was blocked on ESPN. After the second debbies goal, I gave up and started doing the dishes. My still listening roommate came running in when Kovalev scored. Keep in mind, I was insane that year. Superstitious as all hell. I saw EVERY playoff home game in person in 94 and I ate the SAME lunch before every game because that's what I had the first two games and wanted to keep it going (2 bagels with fat free cream cheese - I love bagels, but why the hell couldn't I have had a nice juicy steak...). So, when my roomie told me about the NYR first goal, I said - GO BACK AND DO WHAT YOU WERE JUST DOING. So, he went back to homework (getting his Masters) and I proceeded to wash, the already clean dishes, for the entire 3rd period! As Mess proceeded to show the world his Gigantic Testicles, roommate came running in after each score, going crazy. Every time, I said - Just get back to whatever the hell we were doing! What a lunatic. In the end we got the cup...so...You're All Welcome!!

limbo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:40 am EST

Hospo.... I think in those days Marv had other commitments that came first and he missed quite a few NYR games. I'm thankful for it, other wise we would never have had the Matteau, Matteau, Matteau call.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:33 am EST

RHET - Was it Rose calling the game on 66NBC and not MARV? God, I am getting old!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:32 am EST

MICHAEL - Yep, same memories about MARV and WOR9..The Big Whistle and Jim Gordon......I was home sick as a dog but watching the game on televison also..but then we have a freaking black out/power outage towards the end of the first period...15 mijnutes later..still out....so run out to my car to try and pick up WNBC66 and Marv...almost all static..Cursing like a MFer!...I couldn't do anything but try to drive around (while cursing) and find a spot where it came in..that took until the end of the 2nd period on a hill near Germantown, MD..and that's where I sat and listened for the next hour and a half!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:26 am EST

The NYR's do have a habit of losing on night's they have ceremonies ...Hospo... We watched the games in '94 with the volume turned all the way down and listened to the radio play-by-play. It started out just for the away games but Howie Rose and Sal "Red Light" Messina called a far superior game to Sam and JD(IMO). We did however listen to the final call on TV. Howie Rose is another guy who never seems to be invited back for these '94 celebrations either.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 8 2019 10:00 am EST

I will have a beer on my deck this summer on 6/14 with my Rangers T-shirt on to celebrate the anniversary then cannonball my kid in the pool or something. I could care less about tonight as its one more excuse to jack a price up for a boring game. Canes after the Devils have the most uninspiring jerseys in all of sports to start with, and my interest just goes down from there. I look at a 65 year old Jets fan reaction to Namath waving the finger and see the pain on there face and we are half way there. No thanks

shonuff


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:57 am EST

Hospo, I saw the game on television. It was an amazing experience. I have been a Ranger fan since 1960 and I was a veteran fan that recoiled for years as a response to the "1940" chant. I remember listening to Marv broadcast Ranger games for years when I was living in New York and Camden Maine. I also remember the games on channel 9, with the Big Whistle broadcasting.

Michael141


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:22 am EST

Just curious, anybody here over,say, 30-33 not WATCH the game as it was happening? I was forced (long story) to listen to MARV call it on a car radio on a hill top in Maryland..just like I did in my childhood (sans the car)!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:19 am EST

They should just stop after the ceremony is over..Ranger-Cane games are perhaps the most boring contact-free ice capades that the NHL has offered over the pst 5 years..OTOH, the Ramgers always beat them at the Garden, so there is that!

Hospo


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:09 am EST

Envious Bob...what Ranger team will show up against the Canes after the ceremonies do you think?

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 9:03 am EST

Congrats BOB! Enjoy the night. And please, order an extra $32 beer and $24 plate of nachos for me!

Vic


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:48 am EST

I am reliving it. Having moved away a couple years before they won it, and unable to get back for the parade, I am here and going to the game and celebration tonight. Once in a lifetime, right?

Bob


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:45 am EST

TD: Re Montreal being an example of not having to hit the bottom to successfully rebuild: 1) It's too early to proclaim what they're doing now as a success 2) Domi was fetched for Galenchyk who was selected 3rd overall 3) Kotkaniemi was had with another 3rd overall pick. So there you go: 2 keys pieces of their current team are directly because of drafting in the top 5.

rf4L


Fri Feb 8 2019 8:11 am EST

I'm out for most of the day. I just wanted to wish everyone a Happy 94' Cup celebration day! Enjoy remembering and reliving the only Rangers Cup win that you are going to see in your lifetime! When Sam said "And this one will last a lifetime!" I had no idea what he was talking about. I do now......

Vic


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:50 pm EST

Hospo -I gotta give Montreal credit for really righting the ship in one short season...they made an incredibly savvy move trading for DOMI, who is a player I always wanted on the Rangers...and a ballsy move trading SERGACHEV, who many thought to be on his way to stardom, for DROUIN, who is looking like he's just about there now...they also rounded out there roster with some really talented guys who were never really in the right place at the right time...I've like Joel ARMIA since he was playing for Finland in the WJCs...and they got him for taking Steve MASON'S contract...likewise, they traded away a couple of UFAs(WEISE and FLEISCHMANN) for DANEAULT, a former first rounder who never got a fair shake in Chicago...now he's a solid number-2 center who's an absolute ace at faceoffs...Tomas TATAR is another...very good player who was with a very bad Detroit team and then miscast in Vegas...got him AND Suzuki for PACIORETTY, who had both feet out the door...Picked up Mike REILLY, an NCAA stand-out who never got much of a chance in Minnesota, for a fifth ronder...KOTKANIEMI and Ryan POEHLING are two excellent prospects, as is tender Cayden PRIMEAU...JUULSEN and Victor METE are going to be mainstays on their D...and this kid ROMANOV is going to be a star...So yeah...Montreal is a great example of how you can turn a team around without taking a chainsaw and sledgehammer to it.

tdchi


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:35 pm EST

The Wild's biggest problem is both Suter and Parise have 6 MORE YEARS AFTER THIS YEAR on their fat contracts. And both are the front end loaded deals that were banished with the current CBA. Those stupid signings are cap and franchise killers.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:34 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ..... "I think you’re looking at a five-year deal at around $10.5 million per season.’’ _ what rival team executives and agents around the league are saying about Mitch Marner's next contract: .... https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1093493853695307783

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:11 pm EST

E - watching the SJ-Calgary game tonight? Could be some good passion filled physiacal fireworks after their last game..

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:07 pm EST

E - It's amazing how in sports, not only hockey, but also baseball and basketball, how only about 5-10 teams a year really try to win and the rest really couldnt care less and just talk about payrolls and maybe doing the process and trying to win in 3-5 years...I thank God I was a kid when almost every year mattered..Just aa differnt business

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:04 pm EST

E/RDW....... Wed Feb 6 2019 7:12 pm EST.... NHL on NBC ‏ Verified account @NHLonNBCSports .... Should Koivu injury push Wild to be trade deadline sellers? .... https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/02/06/should-koivu-injury-push-wild-to-be-trade-deadline-sellers/ Rhet0ric

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:57 pm EST

RDW: I heard on NHL radio today that the Wild maybe ready to throw in the towel and rebuild. Too many one and done years with no sign of getting better.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:56 pm EST

This disagreement on BOSTON underscores, after TB and maybe Winnipeg, the muddled mess of about 12 teams behind them then are trying to fight for the CUP...Personally, I think MOSTON is missing a winger like KREIDER before it can really be taken seriously ..a physical D-man for the 3rd pair might be nice too...And I just looked at the standing for the first time in months...and I was blown away by where MONTREAL is...only 6 teams in the NHL eith more points..with that roster taht was laughed at more than the Rangers last year..Now there is a team that the coach Julien (who many thought should have been fired) has brought together and the GM has provided the right role players.....Maybe that happens next year for a more experienced DQ? well depneding on hiw much the team is torn down

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:54 pm EST

re: the Avalanche - Now here's a team that's an awful fit for us. They're not trading MAKAR...JOST just got hurt...and then you're taking a nice big step down with TIMMINS, who is ANOTHER RHS d-man...or AJ GREER...not much interest in either...Sakic is very smart to keep both draft picks, if, in fact, that's what he does. They've got zero chance of winning the cup this year...no reason to rent ZUCC...and no really reason to buy HAYES.

tdchi


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:49 pm EST

schneidW - I actually heard today that Minnesota was kicking the tires on HAYES. And they have some nice pieces...I take any two of Jordan GREENWAY, Luke KUNIN or Kiril KAPRIZOV...the latter, I would guess, is a non-starter...but the other two? With a second-round pick? I think the Wild would have to think long and hard about that...Greenway would be a fan-favorite here. Hulking player. Very physical, but has skill to bury the biscuit. Swift skater, likes crowding the net...KUNIN is a leader. Kind of a player in HOWDEN'S category. Probably won't wow you with anything, but does everything well. But he's another guy you could add to the mix with Howden and ANDERSSON, as youngsters who have show a distinct streak for leadership...I won't go into Kaprizov, because there's no chance we get him...but needless to say, he's an electric player...Think with the Wild is they've got a lot of older players and the odometer is about to flip again...their window with SUTER, KOIVU and PARISE is just about done...and are they gonna really want to part with two future pieces for HAYES? I'm not so sure about that...

tdchi


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:39 pm EST

If Minnesota is looking at Hayes I wonder if we could pry Kaprizov away from them? Doesn't seem like he has shown much interest in coming over.

RDW


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:37 pm EST

re: the BRUINS - SLOW? MEDIOCRE?! Sweet Jesus guys, this is the fourth-ranked team in the CONFERENCE! I won't say they played good last night...they didn't...but to say they're slow and mediocre...well, you'r not watching much of the Bruins...their D is very mobile...and with exception to CHARA and BACKES, I couldn't really identify anyone in their roster who I'd say is slow...the other thing? They have one of most loaded cupboards out there...REALLY good prospects...VAAKANAINEN and STUDNICKA are both A prospects...FREDERIC, FORSBECKA-KARLSSON, and ZORBIL are on that cusp too...Step down, but SENYSHYN, LAUZON and FITZGERALD are also very solid guys...and that's not even including the likes of DONATO, BJORK, CARLO and GREZLYK...or HEINEN and DeBRUSK...or McAVOY. The Bruins are going to continue being competitive for a while. They retooled, cut some dead weight and began building around the likes of solid NHLers like KREJCI, CHARA, MARCHAND, RASK and KRUG...The crazy thing about the ask for PANARIN...and I did hear that it was DeBRUSK, the first and a lower-tier prospect(i.e. FREDERIC) is that they could lose those guys and not skip as much as a beat either on their team or in their system...and I think the real decision, if that IS the asking price, is whether they want to give up first rounders in consecutive years for a guy who could very well hit the open market...never the less...if I were to pick a team that is on the rise in the East, excluding the ones already at the top...Tampa and Toronto...it'd be the Bruins. They've got all the right pieces right now.

tdchi


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:23 pm EST

Funny hockey tidbit...….some of you may know that Bob Cole was honored last night at the Leafs/Sens game for 50 years as an NHL broadcaster. He is now in his 80's and was doing his final game in TO. He is old school but apparently one of his most important 'rules of thumb" for his color man when on air was …….when the play is on ,I speak.....when the whistle blows ,you speak ! I wonder what Sam and Dickaletti would think of that ? LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Feb 7 2019 7:10 pm EST

UFAs 7-2019. Why is NOBODY mentioning that Erik Karlssen has not yet signed with San Jose Sharks? I have a sneaking suspicion he is going to be recruited to NYC by King Henrik... if somehow Gorton finds a taker for Shattenkirk... watch out!!

schneidw


Thu Feb 7 2019 7:08 pm EST

NYRs- dont expect much more return than 2nd and 3rd rounders for the NYRs marginal trade fodder... I am not convinced Hayes will even return much more than 2 2nd rounders and lame prospect ala Eric Staal...

schneidw


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:59 pm EST

BIDDING WAR!!! :-) Then, there is Minnesota, who lost Mikko Koivu for the season after a torn ACL and meniscus. Needless to say, the Wild need a center badly. Derick Brassard and Kevin Hayes remain possible targets along with Adam Henrique. Their trade deadline became more active quickly.

schneidw


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:46 pm EST

andrei: Sakic is not fine....he was slow dealing Duchene, he was lucky that OTT doesn't know what they are doing and will have that high pick...he has been saying the same things for years now, he keeps talking about holding the course and they are jsut a little ways away from competing. Also, getting that top 3 pick will NOT give them a 2nd line, the AVS have zilch for depth....they dont have even part of a 2nd line right now. People think the Rangers have no depth on wing...Buch and Vesey would become the best F not on the top line in Colorado if they were sent there....one guy won't do it....2 might....but Sakic needs to make some moves to get some players for depth that are better than the crap they roll out every night. The AVS even with the number 1 overall are 2-3 yers away unless Sakic gets it figured out how to use trades to build a team...you can not just draft your way to the cup...NO team does that.

Wildcard


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:27 pm EST

Vic the baby is the nyr and refers to guys that aren’t ufas ( dirty water) and their names keep getting included in trade requests. There aren’t enough replacements that are even as good as most of them. They will be a lesser team just by trading zucchini and Hayes et al . Trade more and they will be even worse, unless the gm can pick somebody off. I’ll believe it when I see it . Otherwise it’s almost a forever rebuild. And the nyr will be the farm for the rest of the nhl to harvest from.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:12 pm EST

My guess is Anaheim might be the next team with their hands on the plunger. They just look old, tired, slow, and poorly built for the game now. They need to piss on the fire and call in the dogs.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:11 pm EST

I’ll also point out that SJ May look to add another impact player at the deadline. Especially in nets. But I’m not sure people will see that coming. I’m just wondering what team is going to do a Gorton tear down next. More and more from a cap management perspective you gotta just shed salary and make sure you have a strong system because you’re gonna have 2-3 guys eating up the lions share of your cap. Every team needs superstars who are not yet eligible for a max contract.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:07 pm EST

I also wonder about Poille. He is all in right now because I think he thinks Nashville’s window might be closing soon. But they’ve dealt a lotta picks away in recent years. They could be the new NYR. Going all in, getting close and trying to get blood from a stone as they slowly erode away.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:44 pm EST

rf4l if this is true..."If Sakic won't budge from his stance, he won't have a cup challenging team for at least 3 more years"....then the nyr right now are further away ....

stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:24 pm EST

limbo, Sakic is fine. He knows what he is doing. Pretty clear that team is not 1 player away from winning a cup. Not only he might end up with top 3 pick, Joe might end up with 1st overall pick. Add Hudges or Kako to that forward group and now you have a solid 2nd line. Avs 1st will get another top 6 forward or a help on d. Sometimes smart GMing is not to make a move, when you know your cards..

andrei


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:12 pm EST

AVS are an interesting. Going back to their Quebec roots, they were absolute dog feces for the last few years there (31 points in 1990!). But that bottom out lead to a decade of great hockey and 2 cups. They have won 1 playoff round the past 12 years. Sakic seems good at getting high picks, does he know how to build a team? He's had what, 5+ years on the job? And missing the playoffs again this year is a distinct possibility. If I'm an AVS fan, I'd be livid at him right now with his most recent statements. Wonder if it's just posturing...

limbo


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:07 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/2/7/mckenzie-clarity-coming-soon-on-stone-duchene

RDW


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:04 pm EST

RF4L - Isn't it bad enough to be worrying about and planning a rebuild for the Rangers, let alone another team like COlorado? Just call you the Master Ar..er Rebuilder!

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 5:03 pm EST

Considering that the Avs have virtually no offensive production behind the first line, and they’re intent on hanging onto their picks what currency do they have? Hayes’ selling price might get you a first a mid level prospect and a roster castoff. Personally, I’d prefer a 2, Zadarov, and some maybe guy. But Zadarov seems to be finding the consistency that’s avoided him for a long time.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 4:55 pm EST

Just scanned the Aves roster. With MacKinnon and Ratannen they have 2 studs who are still young. Landeskog is a fine player, too but a little older than those 2. After that, their forwards are hardly awe-inspiring and it's no surprise they cannot score other than those 3. A few of their high picks aren't working out as planned (Compher and Jost) and that's helped create the void after the first line. Their defense is in worse shape. 3 of 6 are 30 or pushing there and Barrie is 27. They'd better hope Makar is the real deal. Connor Timmins is a fine prospect but he's not played a single game due to lingering concussion symptoms - you gotta think if things don't improve over the next several months, retirement will be seriously considered. And their goaltending? Varlamov is a pending UFA and Grubear from what I understand has been a tad disappointing. To me, moving their first for a young NHL proven top 6 forward would be a wise move. Patience is indeed a virtue but sometimes one must act.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 4:46 pm EST

If Sakic won't budge from his stance, he won't have a cup challenging team for at least 3 more years. Counting on a kid who's still in college and whoever he gets in this year's draft is fine but they are still a ways away from being the difference. Glad I'm not an Aves fan!

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 4:44 pm EST

Random stat of the day: VAN has won a total of 14 playoff series. Ever. That's over almost 50 years. And they've been to Finals 3 times - so that's 9 of them right there. Perspective: NYR has won 11 over the last 12 playoffs.

limbo


Thu Feb 7 2019 4:19 pm EST

Re: Sakic. Reminds me of the STL fans balking at rumors of their young studs getting swapped for Richter for a cup run (2000?). STL fans still waiting. Prediction: Tightwad Joe will get canned before any AVS fruits are realized.

limbo


Thu Feb 7 2019 3:40 pm EST

Sakic: Avs won't trade either first-round pick... https://www.tsn.ca/sakic-avs-won-t-trade-either-first-round-pick-1.1253671

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 7 2019 2:15 pm EST

RF4L - In theory or your/my opinion it might sound like too much...but, in reality, if NASH fetched as much as he did, shouldnt PANARIN fetch a hell of alot more?..all about market price and paying the price for what you THINK you really need

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 1:56 pm EST

Bathwater? Bath water? Can we change the bathtub into a hot tub filled with those Asian singles I keep getting ads for?;)

NYStranger


Thu Feb 7 2019 1:41 pm EST

E: I totally agree. They are trying to hold on with an old core in their 30s and it just doesn't work. Hell, even some of their younger guys don't skate that well.

Vic


Thu Feb 7 2019 1:33 pm EST

Hospo: Concur but that wasn't my point. I was saying giving that up for a rental is too much. I thought giving up what the rumoured ask is is too much, even if it's Panarin.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 1:24 pm EST

VIC: I think in a few games I’ve seen Boston there is something glaring. They are slow. They can be successful when they get that forecheck going and cycle the puck but the New York Rangers who aren’t the fastest of teams any longer (not slow but lacking enough wheels) looked like they were moving in a different gear for large swaths of the game. And if Boston fancies themselves as legitimate threats to the likes of TO, or TB? I just don’t see it. They aren’t in that league on paper. And even if they got past that? Anyone see the big bad Bruins being able to knock a team like Calgary, Nashville, or Winnipeg around? They may be looking to add at the deadline but I think they are splitzo in the lineup. Super young and/or super old. If I were matchup’bating as an elite team Boston would Not be my most feared opponent.

E


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:59 pm EST

STEVIE: I read your "Baby with the bathwater" analogy earlier and I've been mulling it over. I don't think it fits. This isn't a situation where the Rangers are trying to get rid of the bathwater at the deadline. Instead, what is happening is that several of the "babies" are going to be leaving home at the end of the year. And if the Rangers don't trade them at the deadline they are going to be left with a lot of bathwater and not much else. They should also dump as much of the bathwater as they can. That means they will have to refill the tub but that has to happen either way. And it is true that they could end up filling it with dirty water and be right back where they are. But if you don't take the chance you aren't going to have any opportunity to refill the tub with clean water.......;-)

Vic


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:39 pm EST

MZA not practising...

RF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:31 pm EST

RF4L - But PANARIN has much higher value then NASH, especially one that was injured...How good you rebuild definitely depends on the eventual quality of the assets you haul in..but, no matter how good the prospects may eventually be, how low you really want to go first depends alot on the pieces you keep to build around (or resign in the off-season!!) or choose not too..

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:20 pm EST

RF4L: There are a few reasons why the Rangers have had success against the Bruins lately. First, the Bruins aren't a great team. They have some good players, no doubt. But the are really just a mediocre team at this stage. And the biggest reason for that is that they are mediocre down the middle. BERGERON was always a 1B kind of guy. He turns 34 in a few months and just isn't the player he used to be. Still a good player but less then he was 10 years ago for sure. And KREJCI turns 33 in a few months. He has dropped off even more then BERGERON. So as odd as it seems to say the Rangers are actually better up the middle (at least in the top 6) then Boston is. ZBAD is playing like a true #1 for the last month. If he can establish that as his new norm then he will have lived up to the potential that a lot of folks saw in him. And HAYES is just flat out better by a mile then KREJCI right now. Boston is going nowhere this year and for the foreseeable future. They have enough talent to be a borderline playoff team for the next few years and then after that it is going to be a rebuild for them.

Vic


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:06 pm EST

Hospo: How far you go depends I guess on the talent/assets you manage to rake in. I love watching the Rangers win as they did last night, but drafting 10th overall arguably means you risk extending the rebuild.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:03 pm EST

Plus the Rangers had to take on extra bodies (O'Gara and Belesky) and extra $$ (Belesky and Spooner).

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:02 pm EST

limbo: No because Lindgren wasn't considered high-end. He was (and still is) a solid prospect. Columbus wants a high end and a lesser prospect and the latter would be more like Lindgren. The high end prospect being mentioned is already playing on the Bruins. Plus, of course, a first. I know I'd be annoyed if it was the Rangers contemplating such a move because Panarin is a rental...

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:57 am EST

Limbo - Yeah, we need a new FOS O-brother! As for the trade demand...maybe a little higher...Lindgren equates to Frederic..but O'Gara/Spooner a bit less than another top prospect..then again Nash was much less than Panarin..

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:40 am EST

RF4L - different year, but isn't the FLUTO ask kinda similar to the Nash deal?

limbo


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:37 am EST

HOSPO - seems Mr. FLUTO would fit in here fine as one of the -O brothers. Plus, he's probably as FOS as the rest of us...

limbo


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:31 am EST

RF4L - The two keys are How low do you really have to go and proper evaluation of both veteran talent and prospect/picks..Both are tied to Gordo and his "brain Trust" and their "plan". But like the Soggy Bottom boys, we will be in constant sorrow if he screws it up...Time will tell...cant say I have put my faith in him but am just being an observer

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:12 am EST

Hospo: Are you implying Fluto might be from Pluto? LOL. FWIW, that's a ridiculous ask from Columbus and to me any team giving that up for him when there are other options, albeit of potentially lesser impact, available would be foolish to do so. That's an outrageous price to pay for a rental. I suspect unless the BJs back off, Panarin will be a BJ until July 1.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:09 am EST

stevie: Understood but that's the nature of rebuilding. You're gonna have some hard times before getting to the good times. Otherwise, you're stuck in between those times and if you add up the pain/anguish of extending in between times it's much more significant than the down times. That said, and of course this is the real key here, you gotta know what the hell you're doing or you get extended downtimes, ala Edmonton, Florida, Arizona, etc. In Gorton we (have no choice but to) trust. For now anyways!

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:05 am EST

Rf4l I understand what the gm has to do with ufas in his ass-et management to get something for them. But I will have a hard time accepting a weaker team next season.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:03 am EST

RHET - I could see maybe ZUCC coming back..Would he come back for a shorter term contract or will somebody else offer him much more financcial security?? Just things the Rangers will have to weigh..or perhaps it's already decided or planned...Anyway,.No matter what type of rebuild it is, you need vet players to lead and show on the ice..ZUCC would be part of that

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 11:00 am EST

On PANARIN...Supposeldy, the Bruins are one of the team interested in Panarin..."Well, Bruins insider Fluto Shinzawa of the Athletic just revealed how much it would cost Boston to acquire Panarin, and it's a doozy. One executive believed Columbus’ demand from the Bruins would require three pieces — their 2019 first-round pick and two prospects (a high-end kid and a secondary youngster). For the latter, the executive mentioned Trent Frederic, the 20-year-old who, after five games, shows the makings of a second- or third-line NHL center.It means the stud prospect would be someone even higher on the Bruins’ organizational depth...."..Dont know if I trust somebody named FLUTO but just passing it along..

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:58 am EST

ZUC and Z-Bad are tight. They hung out alot in the offseason(along with Kreider). They have great chemistry on the ice. ZUC is also a terrific leader and veteran presence for the rookies. I wouldn't think twice about bringing him back(after we trade him).

Rhet0ric


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:55 am EST

stevie: What do you suggest they do instead?

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:55 am EST

FWIW, I concur the loser point thing is ridiculous but it's a sound business strategy for a league that struggles in too many markets to consistently attract a solid fanbase and cannot land a lucrative TV contract. Without those points at least 1/3 of the teams would be moribond standings-wise by Christmas, if not earlier and lose even more money than they already do. In other words, that point isn't going away any time soon (and probably never).

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:53 am EST

The concept of basically throwing out the baby with the dirty water , and not knowing if you have another replacement baby with enough clean water is not rebuilding to me . That forces you to either rush your baby kids or get more dirty water. Unfortunately the gm hasn’t shown all his cards yet.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:50 am EST

stevie: No, that's savvy rebuilding strategies. It's obvious how important he is to Z. It's equally obvious the team needs more young assets - getting a 1st or a 2nd and a solid prospect for him then resigning him in July is double dipping. Given the organizational weakness that exists with wingers, even better!

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:46 am EST

Rf4l and if they trade zucchini and then resign him in July , it’s retreading?

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:13 am EST

Both Vesey and Name would make good PK and 3rd-4th line depth additions to many teams headed for the POs. Who do you think would be more attractive for the skillset and contract price?

Ranger47


Thu Feb 7 2019 10:10 am EST

MZA is going to be traded because 1) he's a pending UFA 2) he's over 30 and 3) the Rangers are rebuilding.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:34 am EST

NYSTRANGER - I dont know about that..On most of the players I agree...but..not HAYES.....One way to look at it is the way Hayes and ZBAD (even to me!!) have been playing this year, they have been as good as most teams (not all) top two centers...Hayes took his big jump last year, ZBAD this year..and both should get better....(or this is only temporary!!)..The Rangers have to factor that in...The big problems are the wings after Kreider..But..all up to GORDO how much he wants to tear it down..and/or if HAYES is worth it

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:14 am EST

Td I agree with you on OT and the awful shootout but nothing else, it seems. Yes these Rangers you mention resigning are talented, but not talented enough to be our mainstays of the future. They will not stack up against the top tier teams in a PO series no matter what supporting cast they get. Your plan is just a repeat of 2014-2015. Just not quite good enough.

NYStranger


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:11 am EST

Tdchi they will probably trade zucchini to breakup that line like they did with Jagr straka and nylander. And maybe one of the underperforming guys who takes his place wakes up. And Maybe zucchini comes back next season.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:10 am EST

td: Agree with part of that. 100% extend the OT period to 10 min. It seems SO many times the action really starts to ramp up, chances are coming an BANG! OT ends....I still think ties are the worst mistake ever allowed in sports so you need something to break it. As for the so called loser point...I hate that term...the way to fix the issue is 3 points for every game to start. Win in regulation you get 3, win after you get 2....loose in regulation you get 0 loose after 60 you get 1. Its the best way to do it. Its been proven out I think that teams played for ties, teams will play to not lose if they dont get a point for getting into OT, they will play for the and fo the 10 min OT to guarantee a point if that's when it happens....thats what created the trap, thats what created clutch and grab and it ruined the game for years. If games won in regulation were worth 3 points teams would open it up to go for those points, especially if they were just outside the playoff. The other thing is get rid of the current playoff format...i hate it...i dont know anyone who really likes it. I would rather the old 1-8 in the east and west....its so stupid when two teams with more points than a 3rd place team are fighting for a wild card spot....1-8, division winners get an automatic bid, but they get seeded based on their points. So a division winner could be a 8th seed. Thats How I would do it....but thats just me.

Wildcard


Thu Feb 7 2019 9:04 am EST

PJ: Agree. One of Vesey or Name on the 3rd line is OK. Both bring some stuff to the game, Name lately more than Vesey...but not at the price tag of Name, or even what Vesey will want in his next deal. Name at 2.5 mil would be good....he has been snake bitten at times this season, there are a few times when the puck just wouldn't go in that it seems any other time in history it would have, so I suspect that playing the exact same way over next season and he would have more goals...nothing concrete to point to, but its just a gut feeling. At the same time he has proven to be able to play with a top end guy and get pints and help the team, so I am sure he has value around the NHL, his value to the Rangers is probably higher in trade than in keeping him. Vesey the same. Buch i dont know, if he can continue to play like he has since his last time being sat out he is worth keeping around....if he waivers again its just time to move on. None of them are "bad" players, its just they are not hitting their potential fast enough or at all. Maybe after moves are made and they get more ice time perhaps, we may see 1 or 2 or all 3 of them step up, that will clear things up. None of them need to be moved NOW, they can be moved at the draft so there is no real pressure, at the same time if a deal gets done because one of them is added they must be added if it helps the rebuild. There have been rumors with Name involved, so of the 3 I can see him being moved first.

Wildcard


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:58 am EST

Few thoughts...FOR CHRIST SAKE, NHL. DITCH THE SHOOTOUT. Rather, make then incredibly rare. Three-on-three hockey is insanely entertaining. Just non-stop, on-your-seat action. And if the NHL could extend the OT period to 10 minutes? I bet you'd cut out somewhere between 75 to 90 percent of shootouts...I can't say this enough: the shootouts are a bane on this league. Just pointless...and on a related note...what do you say we do away with the loser's point? At least after 60. I agree: If you can get through 10 minutes of three-on-three overtime, you deserve that point. But too often, teams try to play for the tie...and its just never...EVER...a good thing for the sports...ironically, when you play for the tie, you often end up losing...ON LAST NIGHT: You know, Cassidy could be the dumbest coach on the planet. I simply don't understand how you can have a system as talented as the Bruins do and just barely squeak out a point against the Rangers...now I don't share the revulsion that some of you have for this lineup...I actually think the mistakes they make and their abortion of a penalty kill really overshadow some real bright spots on the team...but man, if the Bruins think they're going to challenge Tampa or Toronto, they gotta do some soul searching...on the Rangers: If I'm the GM, I'm handing ZUCCARELLO a contract...because he and ZIBANEJAD have just incredible chemistry...and KREIDER simply adds to it. We have a genuine first line here folks...and that's rare to stumble into when the team is rebooting...I still don't like the idea of trading HAYES either...and frankly, if I had my way, I'd keep both and liquidate the lesser players...even if it means stockpiling third and fourth rounders instead of second rounders and B-prospects...Jimmy VESEY. Sweet Jesus, what happened to this guy's hands?! This was a guy who score 30-plus goals in the NCAA...but man, he can't hit the broad side of a barn door in the NHL. Still like him as a player, but seriously...someone needs to work on his shooting or get him a sports psychologist...Tony DeANGELO. What more is there to say? He's an immensely talented player. Probably the best offensive defenseman they've had since...well...I hate to say it, but LEETCH. Double down on that sports psychologist.

tdchi


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:57 am EST

Remember Bernie Nicoles and his 70+ goals in L.A. hum wonder why?

NYStranger


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:56 am EST

Stevie that's why when you evaluate talent you have to also evaluate who that player plays with not only their individual Talent. The Rangers management never seems to get this.

NYStranger


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:52 am EST

Names can't finish....Vesey can't finish and Buch is still a Scarecrow....Hard to see any of them as part of the Rangers long term future...

PJ


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:48 am EST

Hospo if sather got stamkos maybe stinky would have 20 goals like he did last year with Tampa. Instead he has 4 . I wish he and the coach could figure out how to get 16 + more from him.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 8:23 am EST

STEVIE - I guess Quinn has a soft spot for him like Tortorella had for Eric Christiansen....Namestnikov has turned himslef into a poor man's Jasper Fast but even worse offensively, despite having more skill..The guy is 26 and getting 4 mill per for what?..to try?? could easily save 3 mill and pay a youngster or a replacement vet...hopefully he can be moved

Hospo


Thu Feb 7 2019 7:31 am EST

The last 2 Ranger/Bruin games have been entertaining - what about that team brings out the best for the Rangers I wonder. Or perhaps it's merely a coincidence.

rF4l


Thu Feb 7 2019 7:05 am EST

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-vladislav-namestnikov-1.26989720

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:56 am EST

“ It was a performance that pleased Quinn. “I want him pushing that envelope as far as he can without letting it get in the way of his performance or being a detriment to the team,” the coach said. “Marchand is as good at it in the league as there is. I’d take 100 Marchands.”

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:52 am EST

Boyle and iCloud..... Poile plans to keep making calls, listening and paying attention until the deadline on Feb. 25. “I think just look for the right deal,” Poile said. “If we can improve our club, we’re going to do that. I’m comfortable with what we have in our depth and filling the holes that I thought we had or got created by the three players that we’ve lost in the last couple weeks. But if we can improve our team in the next three weeks, we will certainly do that.” The Predators lost defenseman Anthony Bitetto to a waiver claim to Minnesota on Jan. 25, trying to sneak him to the lower-tier A.H.L. for some playing time. Forward Austin Watson was suspended indefinitely on Jan. 29 under the N.H.L.’s substance abuse program. And Poile announced Wednesday that forward Zac Rinaldo would have season-ending surgery for an injured shoulder.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:40 am EST

Trade for $100k, I’ll get your post from the past to say it, even if you didn’t!

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 6:37 am EST

Hospo I wish he or anybody would take care of Marchand the licker. He gets away with being an avery. If tony de is smart he can be a good agitator. But in today’s Pc world, someone can take offense to anything you say. And the nhl will probably target a guy like tony DeAngelo unlike other similar players if his trash talk is unfiltered. Any avery type skates the finelines, and go over them.

Stevielegs


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:38 am EST

mf.....I have never said such thing! I will give you $100k and the right to ask the moderator for the Wall back logs......if you find a post of me ever dissing Tony D's play! I knew he was special and that the Rangers would not give up on him.....Just needs to stop being special stupid sometimes...

tradestar28


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:35 am EST

Like Alanis Morrisette once uttered......"Isn't it ironic......"

tradestar28


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:35 am EST

Pah-leeze, you hadhim pegged as MDZ part II like everyone else here.......... In other snews: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/how-does-the-matthews-contract-affect-the-likes-of-marner-point-rantanen-and-tkachuk

mf


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:35 am EST

The future #1 pairing of the NYR's.....Tony D & K'Andre Miller........

tradestar28


Thu Feb 7 2019 12:32 am EST

I knew Tony D was gonna turn out decent......Once everyone here demonized his play for a year like you did with Stralman when he was here.......I was 100% convinced

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:26 pm EST

STEVIE - He just needs to be careful about who he chooses to be an Avery towards..Guys like Marchand and his same size is great..eventually a biggerr guy just might not care that he's a lightweight ---RF4L - Yep, he has skill..only one part of what he needs..DOnt really care about his demons..just want some cosnsitency and reliability..Hopefully he'll leRN

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:23 pm EST

Skjei hits like a truck when he wants to....Just not enough...

PJ


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:21 pm EST

Hospo: No Ranger d-man has his skillset offensively. To me not even close. To me, barring things coming apart defensively in a nightmarish way, he plays a long stretch of games. The pay-off is significant. That said, if he cannot contain the emotional downside of his game/personality then for sure, he gets reigned in. Whatever went down on the bench/in the room 2 games ago we don't know but clearly it was about what's been his problem from the outset - if he cannot figure that out eventually he'll be gone from the Rangers and the league. I"m guessing he's got some demons that he needs to wrestle into submission. If so, hopefully, he can do that for the Rangers and more importantly for himself.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:21 pm EST

Showed a lot of heart in this one...Best part of game was TonyD's look at Bruins bench after shootout goal....Gotta love it...Give the Beak some of his own medicine....

PJ


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:19 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Tony D with the #NYR Broadway Hat! .... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1093362485732757504

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:19 pm EST

Tony de is the new avery ....

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:17 pm EST

RF4l - more correctly, the recall of Lettieri! Did he play tonight?

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:14 pm EST

Bob...yep and it's that attitude that keeps getting him in trouble. If it can be corralled to a certain extent his upside is considerable IMO. Those offensive instincts are not teach-able; it's pure inherent skill. I sure hope DQ and company maintain the patience to keep working with him - to me it's clear he's a borderline case who if not in control will self-destruct.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:13 pm EST

RF4l - you play him when he deserves and earns it in the coaches eyes...Should get at least another game after tonight....Not my cup of tea at all, but he has talent

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:11 pm EST

Great comeback.....wild and exciting OT ,best one by us yet and after 3 posts in the SO, I think we deserved the win.LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:10 pm EST

A win after jettisoning McLeod...wow!!!

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:08 pm EST

Good for BUCH with the two assists tonight.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:08 pm EST

Ha....the feed I had was delayed by at least 1 minute. I wanted DeA 2 shooters back but didn't post until Vesey missed. What a shot. That kid gets maligned on here endlessly and I get it but he's got a ton of offensive skill that gets lost in the hatred for him. Play him alongside Staal for the rest of the season and see what you have at the end.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:08 pm EST

I enjoy watching DeAngelo. He makes things happen. He also has an attitude and takes no crap from anybody.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:05 pm EST

That entire OT and Shootout were a lot of fun.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:04 pm EST

For A GM doing the Tank, Rangers seemed quite happy with the win...ann may want more...although that will screw things up

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:04 pm EST

Sit Shattenkirk, play PIONK.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:02 pm EST

GIVE IT UP FOR GEO!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:02 pm EST

DeA pls

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:02 pm EST

DeeeeeeeeeeeeANEL-OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:01 pm EST

VESEYYYYYYYY missed.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:00 pm EST

CHYTIL just missed

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:00 pm EST

HAYES tried to pass it on the shootout again.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:59 pm EST

1-1

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:58 pm EST

Z-BADDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:58 pm EST

Shittenkirk

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:58 pm EST

GO GEO GO!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:57 pm EST

NO SHATT SHERLOCK

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:56 pm EST

NO

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:56 pm EST

That was as awesome an OT as I have seen in s while. Say what you want about the NHL, but the 3-3 overtime is awesome!

ColoradoMark


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:56 pm EST

Raise the puck Chytil.....

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:54 pm EST

DOUBLE WOW.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:54 pm EST

What a bomkers OT.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:53 pm EST

WOW!!

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:48 pm EST

Have to give them credit for not quitting.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:45 pm EST

Nice 3rd period effort...

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:41 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Filip Chytil is one of five NHL players who have recorded 10 or more goals as a teenager this season (Svechnikov, Tkachuk, Pettersson, and Hischier). #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:38 pm EST

Jimmy Murphy ‏ Verified account @MurphysLaw74 ..... #NYR F Filip Chytil is rapidly becoming public enemy #1 for #NHLBruins and their fans. Scores goal in 3-2 win @ BOS 1/18 and takes out Tukka Rask in process and then ties game tonight in 3rd pd.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:35 pm EST

vecsey-ugh - Sjkei- hammering douchechand and others all night..

jim9k26


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:33 pm EST

wow..Rangers with the 3rd string PP unit..And CHytl with his best.."Look what I found"! Rangers somehow stay in these things....they dont quit..

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:32 pm EST

Buch to Chytle..... F_ck Boston!

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:31 pm EST

And no Ranger to rearrange the mutha fucka's face

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:30 pm EST

Wow..Bruins love that Cross check from behind!

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:28 pm EST

Nice pass by Tony D there. Guy moves the puck up well.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:26 pm EST

Finally a goal by another line..nice by Vesey mnot giving up on the play and following it to the end..good to get goals from Hayes for his trade value

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:26 pm EST

BTW DeA has more skill than any other Ranger dman.

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:25 pm EST

Now increasing

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:24 pm EST

Hayes' trade value plummeting...

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:20 pm EST

Do you remember when we were the better team in this game? Neither do I.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:09 pm EST

It is not likely to happen for Buch in NY. I think he needs to move on. Maybe a change of scenery will be what he needs. Once the deadline passes, this is only going to get harder to watch.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:03 pm EST

NEWFIE - He "doesnt get the game" nor does he go all out...You can see him trying at times..but then..nothing..little drive..and he just mopes

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:00 pm EST

I'd keep that list limited to McQ --.and he's being traded!

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 10:00 pm EST

I hope the NY Fire Dept is on hand cause I think DQ is gonna explode in the room. Mistakes, mistakes,turn -overs,turn-overs. Someone should tell the boys we are wearing blue not white......oh and on Buch,I don't think the kid is stupid but he "doesn't get the game" and how it is played at this level. He might be suited better for the KHL or even the AHL.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:56 pm EST

This game pretty much sucks. The only d-men worth keeping on thenRangersbare Tony D and McQuaid. The others are horrid, and Smith should be launched into the Sun.

Bob


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:49 pm EST

RDW - I'm with you.....Good for yopu ZUCC..the fiestiest and most physical Ranger forward far too often

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:48 pm EST

Well well. They didn't wait until the last 2 minutes to fall apart tonight

NYStranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:48 pm EST

We have to bring ZUCC back after we trade him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:47 pm EST

Hospo: It doesn't even look like Shatty is skating hard. If it were up to me, he'd be heading to the Quinn-bin

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:47 pm EST

Still not really sure what DeAngelo's penalty was, but okay.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:41 pm EST

They look like they’re waiting for deadline day

rngrsans


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:41 pm EST

WOW.... Some tremendous saves by GEO there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:40 pm EST

Perfect opportunity to one-time that shot for Hayes, but no, the Rangers don't do that with regularity... MSL one-timed them with regularity.....

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:39 pm EST

Sloppy play by many Rangers this period..Smith the latest culprit..PPand ist line seem to be the only hope

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:39 pm EST

According to Kypreos, Sens have offered Matt Duchene an 8x8 deal. Friedman suggests it comes down to 2 things, his family is comfortable in Ottawa, they like it there vs. the competitive feeling.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:31 pm EST

Rhet...I hope it's a confidence thing. That was just so not the right thing to do.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:25 pm EST

RDW/RF4L - Those two players are just so freaking lazy, weak, irresponsible and so hard to root for... Hayes level of play is also dropping down to the level of his linemates..

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:24 pm EST

Buch's confidence is completely shot.

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:22 pm EST

Is Buch stupid? Great takeaway there along the wall halfway in the Bruin end and then a dumb backhand pass to the slot that had ZERO chance of getting there. Geesh....

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:20 pm EST

Shatty just looks like he's going through the motions...

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:18 pm EST

MF - PANARIN is a pie in the sky...it's possible, but it's not something a rebuilding team can count on when he's open to every team in the league..some with Cup aspiatiomns...and there cant be any misteps..so I hope GIORDON has another plan

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:13 pm EST

Hospo: I doubt very much we can out-offer other teams that may trade for NYLANDER ""IF"" Toronto even trades him, so, that leaves PANARIN

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:08 pm EST

Awesome shot by ZBAD..The guy is playing with so much confidence right now..and then the next shift you see the exact opposite with NAMESTNIKOV and his zero confidence level forcing a pass instead of shooting...Gotta get something more thah KZZ and Hayes

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:01 pm EST

I actually love Smith (pre summer wedding tour).....He is crazy enuff to fight Chara

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:00 pm EST

BTW, Chara would prefer to pass because his shoulder joints hurt for days after he rag-dolls anyone who has the stupidity to fight him.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 9:00 pm EST

Brutal call on Staal once again , with one guy two feet away not making a call and the other guy was almost in NewJersey and made the call. The Marchant 'duck" on Kreider was very dangerous. Kreider should run him over later on. Cheap shot on Boo but a nice cross-check from Vesey (gotta back it up though).

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:58 pm EST

trade: You really don't like Smith much, eh? ;^)

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:58 pm EST

But he ain't as old as you pops

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:55 pm EST

would have loved to seen Smith vs Chara.....but Chara is so old now he was like...."i'll pass"

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:53 pm EST

Great on Vesey but don't turtle when you're subsequently challenged...

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:50 pm EST

Man oh man, Z can shoot the puck. He's right up there in the league's elite for that skill.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:49 pm EST

KZZ Line scores again

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:49 pm EST

MIKA SCORA GOALA!

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:48 pm EST

Hey it's that only guy that scores on our team again.... 1-0 NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:40 pm EST

The Gropp pick was a big misfire given what they traded to obtain the higher selection to draft him. And for me it became dubious like 6 months later when there was no growth statistically in Gropp's game.

RF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:29 pm EST

NBC Announcers- "Great save by Halak on Smith"........then they show replay and u see the puck hit Halak straight in the mask

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:28 pm EST

Vic - They've been bad with second and third round drafting, yes. They've been very good at first round drafting...especially in the 15-30 slot, which is actually quite phenomenal. In truth, their drafting seems like a goddamn cosine wave if you plotted it on a graph...shitty as fuck for the the first 15 slots, pretty damn awesome for the next 15, then shitty as fuck again for the next two rounds, then improving somewhat(and relatively speaking) for the fourth round on...Problem with drafting in the top three is that you get one crack at it. And by one every decade or so, unless you positively suck at life...But hey, if you're arguing that the Rangers need to vastly improve their later round drafting, then we are in fact on the absolute same page. I mean, the best body of evidence for this is the 2015 draft...taking GROPP or anyone out of the WHL for that matter was pure madness, especially for as high as that pick was...I have a little more sympathy for the KOVACS and ZBOROVSKIY picks, because both looked like solid third-round adds...but in Kovacs' case at least, I would have never traded down. In truth, I think trading down in the second is pretty goddamn foolish...but I digress...

tdchi


Wed Feb 6 2019 7:12 pm EST

NHL on NBC ‏ Verified account @NHLonNBCSports .... Should Koivu injury push Wild to be trade deadline sellers? ....https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/02/06/should-koivu-injury-push-wild-to-be-trade-deadline-sellers/

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:49 pm EST

As trade deadline nears, here’s why it makes sense for Rangers to deal Hayes, Zuccarello and others By Rick Carpiniello Feb 3, 2019 There are many reasons for the Rangers not to trade Kevin Hayes. But there are several, too, why a trade makes great, if not perfect, sense. Pros of signing and keeping Hayes: He has been an absolute force this season, and probably still has some upside ahead of him. The Rangers won’t get a player who will be nearly as good as Hayes is right now, nor in the next year or two or maybe more. The cons, though, make the Hayes trade likely, if not inevitable. Mostly it is about contract. Hayes will be an unrestricted free agent July 1 and will hit the lottery when he gets there, a six-year deal at $6 million-plus to start on the low side. In the olden days, pre-2004, the Garden would just write a check to Hayes. No problem. This isn’t 2004. Now the Rangers and Hayes’ agent, Robert Murray, aren’t even negotiating. So three weeks from Monday, when the 3 p.m. trade deadline arrives, Hayes, who turns 27 in May, is almost certainly going to be...

stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:36 pm EST

I met tiny tim while working on halloween in the early 90's ....it was a Meatloaf concert @ Malibu nite club in Lido Beach

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:35 pm EST

RF73: Really? I watched this one afterwards. My back hurts so.....(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci3zuPIwKWo)

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:34 pm EST

So if Smith is out does that make TonyD our enforcer?...

PJ


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:30 pm EST

Trade are you light in the loafers tiptoeing through the tulips ?

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:27 pm EST

Video right after "Double Secret Probation"...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7O6mpfkea4...there are 4 additional parts.

RF73


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:21 pm EST

Limbo....since the majority of the Wall are alta kakas.....I will give you a good analogy of the relationship between MF and Stevie......One of them is like Tiny Tim and the other is like Charles Nelson Reilly

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:18 pm EST

theScore NHL ‏ Verified account @theScoreNHL .... Wild's Koivu out for season with ACL, meniscus tear in knee https://thesco.re/2HXFiQN

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:13 pm EST

Both - Ha! I'm being completely honest here: I can't tell if you guys are best friends, mortal enemies, or a little of both. Either way, you guys get in some good zingers.

limbo


Wed Feb 6 2019 5:10 pm EST

I have an RSS feed from the Sporting News NHL Page on my web start page. It gives me NHL transactions and news. What is funny is that it mentions the BOYLE trade.........but doesn't mention the iCloud trade. I guess the Sporting News sees him as insignificant as TD does........

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 4:45 pm EST

Limbo: need I remind you of your current status? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUUzA56zG2U

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 4:40 pm EST

Limbo I evicted him from Brooklyn when he was a little kid . Now he’s a big little kid with a bungling traderator.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 4:28 pm EST

Still not quite getting the mf/Stevielegs thing...

limbo


Wed Feb 6 2019 4:06 pm EST

Irving moofman knish I’m glad you like whatever you’re talking about. It’s a fig Newton of your imagination.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 4:03 pm EST

MerlinLegs: Fabulous trade on your part, you bungling bundling master magician of internet management! Keep up the good work.

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:44 pm EST

NEWFIE - I hear ya, but the problem hasn't been at the TOP 2 centers (they have been good) but the wings after Kreider (and fianlly ZUCC)....OK, Hayes hasn't been the best forward in the past two weeks, that has been ZBAD and KREIDER but still he arguably has been over the past year..Unfortuantely, he's a second center...it's up to the Rangers to decide if 1) they think ZBAD is the 1st line c moving forward or a second C (thuis looking for Panarin); 2) they like Hayes as the 2nd C (which they should) for the next 5 years or so; 3) they can or want to pay what he will ask for (???)...

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:37 pm EST

STEVIE - While they need more picks..more crap is still crap..what they need is better picks, signees and tradees,,Hopefully, the moves before the deadline last year and the the picks last year will prove to be the start of that (good signs but still undecided) and continued this month through July

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:17 pm EST

Hospo...at least Vinnie and Boo are on the 4th line......remember Hayes is our "best" forward...no that's sad.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:17 pm EST

Hospo as in more cowbell, they need more picks. And the only way they might get some good ones are to win the lottery and pick a sure thing, and otbg is correct on the rest. Otherwise you get more pretty boy Floyds , alias bottom sixers, as in bring out your dead.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:06 pm EST

VIC - with two helpers each from Boo and Deangelo!

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:04 pm EST

The Password is: "iTonya" (priceless)

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 3:04 pm EST

HOSPO: LOL! VINNY will probably go out and score two goals tonight just for you....

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 2:54 pm EST

Lettieri recalled? This team just get more exciting to watch by the day! And what sad shape this organization is in if the recalls and 4th line are flotsam and jetsum prospects like Vinnie and Boo..

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 2:32 pm EST

Hospo, they trade iCloud and bring in iTonya! LOL that WOULD be a step up. Yes coach just puttin on the foil... only sorta surprised he got traded back to his old team.

NYStranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 2:30 pm EST

At least somebody needed iCloud. Beleskey should have been recalled to take his place . Oh I forgot they need to save cap space to get Callahan back . So my cousin Vinny, the pretty boy is their choice.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 2:05 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: Letterie was recalled

Wildcard


Wed Feb 6 2019 2:00 pm EST

The only thing I have to say about the McLeod trade is....Jesus Christ, another 7/11 line-up again tonight. I may not even watch ( except for the fact that I love watching Bergeron play hockey )

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:58 pm EST

As for Mcleod, it obviously doesn't matter what idiots like us think, but for a "rebuilding" team like the Rangers to sign him this year and a genuine CUp contender to trade for him and bring him back for a return engagement (with WATSON out again) this year..means NHL expers that know the game and clubhouses relaize he brings soemthing to a team......That being said, I would love the Rangers to bring in some Muscle and phyicality......I hear Ryan Hollweg and Coltton Orr are looking to make comebacks!!...

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:43 pm EST

NCRANGER - Does trading HAYES and getting prospects/picks instead of extending him and getting 5-7 good years of a real good 2nd C accelereate the rebuild or just push it (maybe) further down the line? Personally, I don't care anymore, I just want GORDO to execute his plan with conviction either way

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:41 pm EST

py, Yup! at first I thought it was McQuaid and was pissed.... But any return for McCloed is welcomed. Thank you for your service Mr. McCloed.....

MF


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:38 pm EST

McLeod for a 7th!!!!!

Puckyou


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:28 pm EST

So NJ gets a 2nd for B.Boyle on the way to their playoff push/run? And we get a 7th for Iclod. It's a good day for Rangers fans...looks like the marketplace is beginning to settle in, and if this trade is any indication, the Rangers should be able to secure a top prospect + 1 for Hayes and another first for Zucc. This would scenario would obviously help accelerate the rebuild. If TB wins it all, that provides another 1st. I would definitely look to trade Hayes to a borderline playoff/lottery team in a pinch (i.e. COL, STL, etc.) Things should start getting interesting real soon.

NCRanger


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:19 pm EST

One dead horse gone...hopefully the others go soon (or resigned)...Thanks to McLeod for giving his all but a tanking team needs no leadership/protection (and it's debatable if he provided any) .....And it's not like the Rangers have played a single physically intense game all year where it matters...with their choir boy milk toast attitude they have a way of bringing a pacifying effect to almost every game they play..After we trade MCQ, can we maybe play the rest of the games in No-Contact Jerseys? :)

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:17 pm EST

Mcleod=everyone has value and only takes 1 partner to make it happen. And actually it is Barb Underhill who is being signed because she can actually skate.

jim9k26


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:14 pm EST

MICHAEL FERLAND: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8525

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:12 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger 3m3 minutes ago More Carolina Hurricanes have pulled back a bit in the effort to trade Mike Ferland. See how the next few games go. May use Ferland as an “own rental” in playoff push.

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:10 pm EST

I hear the 7th round in 2020 is deep

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:10 pm EST

TRADE - Yes, leave it to the Rangers to not sign Bad ass Tonya Harding!

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:08 pm EST

TRADE:. I got a good laugh out of that one. 2 points for you!

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:04 pm EST

A 7th?

mf


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:02 pm EST

looks like its a 2020 7th....

Wildcard


Wed Feb 6 2019 1:01 pm EST

NY Rangers Twitter: With the impending trade of Wesley Cody McLeod, the NY Rangers organization have signed Dorthy Hamil and Peggy Fleming to serve as their 10th and 11th forwards. The team will dress seven defensemen including Tony Deangelo who will be donning the black face 3rd jersey.

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:55 pm EST

The Rangers have traded MVP McLeod? First that inane 7 11 lineup and now this? Holy crap they are tanking after all. TD won't be happy at all!

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:52 pm EST

Giggity!! Giggigty!!!! GIGIGGITY!!! Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun The Predators are re-acquiring Cody McLeod from the Rangers for I believe a 7-th RD pick. Trade call hasn't happened yet. https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1093204433083617280?s=20

tdchi


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:51 pm EST

Wow, can't wait for the TD reaction to the iClod trade! :-)

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:51 pm EST

That’s from LeBrun

Wildcard


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:50 pm EST

A 2 for an “intangibles” player??? I like Boyle and he is an asset for any team with cup aspirations but that’s expensive. Who says their won’t be an arms race into the deadline?

E


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:50 pm EST

The Predators are re-acquiring Cody McLeod from the Rangers for I believe a 7-th RD pick. Trade call hasn't happened yet.

Wildcard


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:23 pm EST

tdchi.....so what u are basically saying is that the Rangers should stay away from drafting the shitty offspring of really good former NHL'ers

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:18 pm EST

Rangers will keep Fast.....they love having a locker room of "character guys" + 1 racist

tradestar28


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:56 am EST

BOYLE to the PREDS good deal for DEVILS (Tank?? and a decent pick) and for the PREDS going for it now and getting a real good guy to have for the POs....WHat can we trade FAST for?

Hospo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:36 am EST

NJD: there is no chatter on them picking high for the same reason there is chatter on the sun rising in the east. Some things just are. NJ tanking to get lots of good players, win lots of cups...rinse, repeat.

limbo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:33 am EST

Boyle to Preds for a 2nd I hear

Puckyou


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:33 am EST

Limbo: LOL, I was just thinking the same thing this morning

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:30 am EST

My dream scenario: We trade with COL for a 1st. But tightwad Joe gives up COLs, not OTTs. COL misses playoffs. We win the lottery with the pick...sweet.

limbo


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:29 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie Following Following @TSNBobMcKenzie More The deal is Brian Boyle to NSH. NJ gets NSH 2019 2nd round pick in return. Done deal.

RDW


Wed Feb 6 2019 11:08 am EST

TD- How do you know for sure the Rangers are not getting the top pick or even the second pick? (you are probably right but it is not For Sure!) Newsflash- you don't know everything! Were you not the guy who thought Shanahan was still running the player safety department?

MC


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:51 am EST

Wild: The Aves keep losing and I'm hearing the fans are very unhappy about it. How is Sakic responding? In his usual oblivious to it all way?

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:49 am EST

Speaking of non-first round picks, how's that Swedish goalie doing this year? Anyone know? More appropriately, does anyone care?! ;^)

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:46 am EST

TD: You keep on making my points for me. Basically what you nicely recapped is that the Rangers scouting staff and management SUCK at drafting. Are there others out there that are worse? I'm sure there are but that isn't the point. So like the blind squirrel the Rangers occasionally find a nut (while passing on a COSTCO sized bin of nuts along the way). So the Rangers aren't going to find the talent they need in the draft being a mediocre team because they are too incompetent to succeed that way. They can't buy their way to success because of the Cap and the fact that teams built around 30 year old plus players can't win in today's NHL. So the only way to get the talented players that they need is to take the drafting decisions out of their hands. They have to be drafting in the Top 3 so that they can't screw it up!

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:42 am EST

The best you non-tankers can hope for is a pseudo PO push, an early exit from said PO at best and drafting positions in the mid-teens. Oh joy - endless mediocrity. That kinda defines most of what we've endured from the Rangers since 1995...

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:34 am EST

Rhet: Your list of players the Leafs have to sign for next year and their cap room is interesting. Basically Marner and Kapanen will eat up $12,000,000 of it, which accounts for their room. I think and I've been saying this since he was signed, Marleau will end up on Robideau island next year, freeing up another $6,000,000 for those 8 players. Also, perhaps they'll look to move Kadri (another $4,500,000) and move Nylander to 3rd line centre. Nylander was drafted as a centre and as a rookie it was proclaimed by the Leafs he'd start at wing to NHL groom him and then when he was ready he'd be moved to centre.

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:32 am EST

NEWSFLASH - The Rangers AREN'T getting the top pick. They're not getting HUGHES. And there's almost no chance they're going to get KAKKO. The best you tankers can hope for is that they'll win the lottery and land within the top 5. Doesn't matter anyway, because one guy like Hughes OR Kakko isn't gonna make batshit of difference...What they really need to start doing is capitalizing on their later picks...the second and third rounders...this is where they've been getting their asses kicked year in and year out: LINDBOM, RAGNARSSON, DAY, GROPP, KOVACS, ZBOROVSKIY, IVERSON, HALVERSIEVE, SAARELLA, TAMBELLINI, FOGARTY, Christian THOMAS, WEREK, Ryan BOURQUE, GRACHEV, LaFLEUR, HILLIER, CLICHE, FLATT, DUPONT, BYERS, OLVER, GRAHAM, BAHENSKY, KUNDRATEK,Billy RYAN, BARANKA, and ROCHE...admittedly, I liked a few of those picks...Tambellini and Zborovskiy for sure...Bourque...and I still hold hope for Gropp and Day, albeit limited. In contrast, here's what we've produced as far as NHLers from the second and third rounds: DUCLAIR, BUCH, ANISIMOV, STEPAN, NIEVES and DUBINSKY. That's a pretty paltry haul for third and fourth rounds...and the only guy who is really a solid top-6 among them is Step, and arguably Anisimov...so dream on, dreamers. The road to salvation ain't through the first round. We're doing pretty good there. It's the rest of the mess that needs addressing.

tdchi


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:18 am EST

top/Rhet0ric - I'm not blaming him. I'm saying keep your head in the game. Z thought it was over. There's no question about it. Could he have stopped the resulting goal from happening? Doubtful...you guys are missing the larger point here: They should have never even been in OT to begin with.

tdchi


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:16 am EST

Zibanejad was not celebrating. He was actually trying to hit the puck as it went past him. There is a good view on NHL.com from behind the net.

ges999


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:15 am EST

Vcp1994 - There's nothing nuts about it. Tell you what: one of the big problems with this team ASIDE from their clear and evident dearth of leadership and their total inconsistency on D has been their bottom two. Their forth line is a joke and third isn't much better. Now I don't think Cally would get us a pick AND a prospect...and I have serious questions about whether the Bolts would want to trade him at this point...or what their motivation would be at the deadline...but if they decide they need to add a piece or two to what is already the most formidable lineup in the NHL...I'd gladly take Cally's bloated contract. He's still a good bottom line player. I'm not sure why you and Newfie are so sore about him. The guy gave 110 percent as a Ranger.

tdchi


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:07 am EST

Don't be surprised if it's the Oilers who end drafting first overall in June...

rF4l


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:07 am EST

td why blame Z-bad on that goal in ot? I think it was the D who joined the rush that gave the kings 2 on 1. Also, Callahan no way. He pissed away being the captain on an original 6 team with his greed.

topovski


Wed Feb 6 2019 8:05 am EST

RNGRSANS: All of us in the "Lose for HUGHES" club understand both sides of this but again, the other side doesn't seem to. It isn't just that the Rangers need to be in that top 3 to have a shot at HUGHES or KAKKO, although in the end that is first and foremost what the should be trying to do. But also implied is that if the Rangers aren't going to get HUGHES or KAKKO then somebody else is going to. And you are right to point out that it very well could be the Devils or the Flyers that land one or both. The Rangers desperately need elite talent to be able to compete. They need a few of those guys. And it is a double edge sword that not only will the Rangers not be getting them, but their competitors in the division and conference are likely to be getting those players instead.........

Vic


Wed Feb 6 2019 7:11 am EST

Am I missing something on the Hughes front? Why isn’t anyone talking about the possibility of the Devils getting him?

rngrsans


Wed Feb 6 2019 6:32 am EST

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/28/sports/calgary-flames-propelled-by-new-coach-and-infusion-of-youth.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 6:10 am EST

I still don’t understand why the nyr insist on playing guys with injuries. And screwing up their lineup to compensate for them. There is a better way. Especially for a team that’s not really in the playoff hunt, and even if they are it’s a recipe for losing. And they have proven that . It looks like the coach needs to grow a backbone with his gm . Maybe he should talk to mike Keenan on Friday to get some pointers.

Stevielegs


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:12 am EST

Newfie.... You wouldn't take Callahan back for a high pick and a top prospect? ...plus... the added incentive that he wont be winning a cup with the TBL?

Rhet0ric


Wed Feb 6 2019 12:07 am EST

ATTN: NYR..... Per Ryan Pike ‏ @RyanNPike .... The Oilers also need to clear out just shy of $2m of cap space within two weeks to activate Andrej Sekera.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:59 pm EST

The only way I would take Callahan back is if he walked in through the door and asked to sign and play for free . You got to be kiddin' me.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:50 pm EST

With Matthews now off the board, the NYR should target MARNER with an offer sheet.... per theScore NHL ‏ Verified account .... Marner's agent says Leafs have lowballed him in contract talks https://thesco.re/2t8HdHJ

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:25 pm EST

TD.... That's some interesting spin right there. Are you saying it's Zibanejad's fault that we lost the game? He barely put one arm up and immediately turned to get back to the defensive zone. Was he behind? Sure. That's what happens 3 on 3 when you're deep in offensive territory. The goalie has to be ready for it. It also does not give Hank the excuse to not make what was a pretty easy straight on shot. It was the softest of soft goals. Even Hank knew it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:19 pm EST

Tdchi you are nuts we don't need Callahan. give me a break.

Vcp1994


Tue Feb 5 2019 9:32 pm EST

McKenzie says that the meetings between Dorion and the Duchene camp have been less about the actual contract and more about roster/future plans: a player by player, prospect by prospect breakdown explaining what the org's plan is. They want to know how quick the rebuild will be.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 9:11 pm EST

TD....lololololololololol...

RF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:58 pm EST

RF4L - That's a goddamn Sophie's choice right there...take seven D or dress iClod...and you want to know something bonkers? Nine times out of ten, I'd dress iClod. And that tenth time? Well, I have to assume one of those times I'd be blind stinking drunk and not understand the question...Seven D is just a miserable game plan. It's bush league. The only reasons to do it is if you lack the personnel and physically can't get a 12th forward to the game in time. So yeah. Welcome back, iClod...On a related note...one of the genius pundits was predicting that the Rangers could ACTUALLY trade iClod. My stomach is still sore from the uproarious laughter that ensued after I read that...but sweet lord...if Gorton can ACTUALLY get something for Clodder. I mean, a goddamn busted washing machine...anything of even a modicum of value...he's an absolute genius and should be in the Hall of Fame.

tdchi


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:52 pm EST

Captain CALLAHAN's best days on the ice may be long since over, but I tell you this: He's a leader and a lead-by-example guy. I know, I know...his contract...blah, blah, blah...but what this team lacks and HAS lacked for some time is a leader. Say what you will about Cally, he's got leadership in spades. He's the type of guy this team could really use to settle its young players down and avoid BS like that loss against the Kings...and while I'm on that note...this is something I've noticed again and again about this team...as soon as the gas cuts on and the flames creep up, they melt. They had the Kings pinned for a lot of that game...but it was like as soon as the clock ticked down to two minutes, they simply lacked the intestinal fortitude to grind it out...and then in OT...ZIBANEJAD...oh man...I mean, the dude has been playing out of his mind lately...but for FUCKS sake, WAIT FOR THE LAMP TO LIGHT TO CELLY. The dude was in mid-celly when the Kings picked up the puck and headed down the ice. Sweet lord, if I was in his room...at any rate, get me Boris KATCHOUK or Taylor RADDYSH and send me CALLAHAN...we can send over iClod to be a "character" in their locker room.

tdchi


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:06 pm EST

Pionk out for tomorrow. I assume TD's nemesis is back in. Let's hope DQ has abandoned for good the 7 11 stupidity.

RF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:58 pm EST

Ricky Milliner ‏ @Milliner06 .... #HWP Game Notes: Since the Schneider Trade, HFD is 1-7. Gilmour continues to be a bright spot for HFD as the offensive D man has pts in the last 7 of 10 games (12pts). 1st yr pro Meskanen has pts in 2 straight to bring up his total to 28pts in 47 games. He is 3rd for pts on HFD

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:44 pm EST

Rhet: didn't we give them two 1sts for MSL? The'll take SMITH in place of Shattenkirk & if we need to eat a few buck$ so be it.... We'll trade Shattenkirk elsewhere

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:22 pm EST

VIC... I'm willing to give them a one time only deal...To TB: Shattenkirk at 50% off ...To the NYR: TB 1st(2020), Alexander Volkov and Ryan Callahan... Then we waive Cally and send him to the AHL :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:17 pm EST

HOSPO: I’m think a 2-3 and Lemieux. I’m just desperate for some swagger.

E


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:05 pm EST

RHET: Sounds like CALLY is available. GORTON better watch out. If I were him I would arrange to have SATHER's cell phone stolen and the hard line telephone line at his house cut. Otherwise SATHER may go behind GORTON's back and trade 2 #1 Draft Picks and a prospect for CALLY......

Vic


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:02 pm EST

The Athletic ‏ Verified account @TheAthleticTB .... Ryan Callahan has been informed by coaches he is the Lightning’s 13th forward, so he’ll be out of the lineup on a regular basis (barring injury). “No matter what point in your career, it’s not easy to be a healthy scratch,” the veteran told @JoeSmithTB.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 5:01 pm EST

And this is how the Leafs structured JT's contract.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:59 pm EST

Rhet: Yes, those bonuses as I understand it get paid lockout or no lockout. Rich teams can had these out; the rest cannot - they need to steady revenue streams to meet their payroll demands. This is a CBA hole that I guarantee you Buttman hates because he loves all his sunbelt teams!

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:57 pm EST

MF ....ALSO... The last CBA WAS NOT structured to eliminate, "gaming the system?"...That was just Bettman being vindictive and petty on owners that were playing within the system they were given by him ....and the rest of the owners went along with it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:55 pm EST

Wait! Is Toronto bending the rules to do something the league doesn't really like????? Don't tell TD!!!!

Vic


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:52 pm EST

The Leafs have $7,594,301 million next season, plus they can exceed the cap by Nathan Horton's $5,300,000 million. They still need to sign Marner, Kapanen, 5 forwards, 2 defensemen and a backup goalie. It's gonna be tight, especially since it's rumored that Marner want's Matthews money(which he deserves)... MF.... Bonuses are bonuses. It's lockout protection for Matthews. You can't expect him to take one for the team and not get paid.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:32 pm EST

Wasn't the last CBA structured to eliminate, "gaming the system?" Great job by the midget ph_ck Bungholio Buttman.... Ph-cken Socialist Robert Reich twin bastard.... Oh and yeah, "Let's Go Rangers!" cheers

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:22 pm EST

Look at how Matthews' deal shakes out: Year 1: $15.2M SB, $700K salary. Year 2: $15.2M SB, $700K salary. Year 3: $9.7M SB, $750K salary. Year 4: $7.2M SB, $750K salary. Year 5: $7.2M SB, $750K salary. That’s $54.5M in SB, $3.65M in salary.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 4:01 pm EST

Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 2h Confirmed after DQ's post-practice press conference - Georgiev starts tomorrow for the @NYRangers . Also, looks like D Neal Pionk is coming out of the lineup.

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 3:57 pm EST

Yo CryptoLegs, strum this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8JC_TxPEjM

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 3:33 pm EST

TD: I didn't have a problem with what Gorton hauled in at last year's deadline. I thought he did fine. I also realize (and I'm not directing this at you) that you don't rebuild in a year and your young players don't develop in an instant. And you don't need high firsts to accumulate talent.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 3:02 pm EST

Hell I thought it was named after Taylor Pyatt!

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:47 pm EST

Boy oh boy saving cap space and playing injured guys , it’s only a flesh wound, to Win the lose for Hughes lottery. That’s probably a part of the mini genius fishpie recipe. Eat up and celebrate.

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:43 pm EST

TD: Shove it! ;-) Make me look this sh-t up at a quarter to 59 years old....Pyrrhic victory - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrrhic_victory A Pyrrhic victory (/?p?r?k/ ( listen) PIRR-ik) is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has also taken a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement.

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:38 pm EST

Man, talk about a Pyrrhic victory...FINALLY Quin grows a brain and scratches iClod, the slowest skater in the NHL...quite ironically against the slowest team in the NHL...and then after saving his right foot, he aims thenahotgun at his left and pulls the trigger by starting seven defenseman...I would really like one of these stats wizards out there to tabulate an overall record of teams these past two or three years when starting seven D. Because anecdotally, it seems to me that such a lineup almost guarantees you a loss...so stupid. I mean, at least give MESKANEN a crack at the lineup. Or LETTIERI...I’m sure there are concerns with Hartford given how unbelievably bad they are...but the deadline is approaching...and if Hartford is gonna be on the outside looking in at the playoffs, then fucking liquidate that team. Trade the older “prospects” for picks or whatever else you can get...I’m WELL BEYOND the logjam at D. We are now two years into Gorton carrying eight goddamn D in New York, and an equivalent number in Hartford. Nobody likes to scramble for D when the injury bug bites...but eight and eight is flat-out ridiculous. And if no one is willing to pony up a C-prospect or mid to late round pick for the likes of GILMOUR, BIGRAS, O’GARA, McQUAID and SMITH to name a few...then take a hard look at waiving a pair of them. There is ZERO reason why we should be going into any game with only 11.5 healthy forwards, one of them being iClod, who counts as the 0.5...big talk about moving HAYES, ZUCC and anyone else with a pulse. The self-important boneheads at BullshitBanter had a very revealing look at the inner workings of their brains when one of them decided to impart his meaningful advise to Gorton: don’t settle for anything less than a first rounder or top prospect: “No more Hajeks, Howdens, and Lindgrens”....Jesus F’ing Christ.i wanted to reach my arm across the internet and bitch-slap that little punk. Do you honestly think Gorton is just plodding along taking the unwanted trash from other teams?!? Are you really that stupid?!? No, we end up with lesser players because that’s the goddamn market rate. Teams aren’t high on losing first rounder...ESPECIALLY if they think it’ll be inside the top 20...so the teams trading first rounders are usually of the mind they’re goi g to finish somewhere between 25 and 31...and guess the typnof player you get with THAT draft position? Howden, Hajek, Lindgren...as for prospects...why...PLEASE SOMEONE TELL ME WHY....a team with a supreme talent is going to move that talent? I mean, think back to the Rangers 2011-2012 run...does anyone think they plowed into the deadline saying meh? Let’s trade Chris KREIDER! Or 2013-2014...let’s deal Brady SKJEI! Sure you gotta give to get...but your top prospects? Almost never are they in the mix...so I said this last year and it proved to be true...I’ll say it again this year: whatever happens at the deadline, no one is going to be happy about it. We ain’t going to get the next great star. And the picks we get are going to be more of the same from last year...and it’s why I just don’t get why folks are so bent on trading Hayes and Zucc. Just don’t get it...but I digress.

tdchi


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:31 pm EST

Has FAST been playing? :)..but seriouly, he is being misused ..need to be on 3rd line/defensive role...With the Rangers not being anywhere near a Cup for years, might be a good time to trade him to a Cup contender for their PO run..

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:11 pm EST

Post-practice updates from #NYR Coach Quinn: -Georgiev will start vs. Bruins -On Fast, who didn’t practice: “We’ve got a situation where we just think it’s best to hold off on [practice] the days leading into games.” He will still be available for games.

stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 2:03 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... From Matthews perspective, he had zero problem going for an eight-year deal but in order to hedge against a rising salary cap, he would have had to get a number so big as to cripple the Leafs’ ability to keep their core together. He didn’t want that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:42 pm EST

E - I like the way Lemieux plays the game and would love to have him, but it Would have to be alot more than just him or screw it and look elsewhere..The Rangers do need grit..but they also need talent

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:40 pm EST

Matthews signs a 5 year $56,000,000 deal with Leafs. Here we go folks - breaking the new trend to sign mega-stars to as long a deal as possible. He'll hit UFA at 26. This was done to keep the average salary down. Rumours were 8 years and $13,000,000 to $14,000,000 per, which the Leafs couldn't do if they want to resign others, including Marner.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:37 pm EST

Auston Matthews, Maple Leafs agree to five-year, $58.17M extension

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:29 pm EST

Hayes to WPG. For Lemieux. Git-er dun... New York Rangers need more sand paper. Lots of sand paper.

E


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:27 pm EST

VIC: I think Pionk is banged up. I know he sold out in front of several hard shots in the last month. He seems like he isn’t getting around like he was. I mean to his credit, he does play a rough and tumble style. That’s a good thing but this has been the most hockey he’s played back to back in his career. And it’s at the highest level. Pionk is a work in progress. I think he’ll need to get stronger in the offseason. I think he’s a good prospect/player. But he’s not 100% right now for sure.

E


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:10 pm EST

If Poink is hurt then it's stupider to dress him vs the notion of playing 7 and 11.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:09 pm EST

Mike Johnson of the NHL network predicting Hayes will end up in Winnipeg. Some are saying Duchene if no deal with Ottawa struck but he'll cost more than Hayes.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:00 pm EST

Play 6 d instead of poink 7

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:59 pm EST

Let Irving moofman knish , alias chef of the future, plan a cup of the future parade in June. He can hoist his bundling traderator with his landsman nosen .

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:52 pm EST

Vic...If you are correct the worst thing is him playing...Should be rested until 100%....We have plenty to fill in for him...lol

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:39 pm EST

PJ - You've hit on it!...They want you to celebrate a previously won Cup as it may not happen again for the foreseeable future or ever...thanks to the Rosen Curse.

RF73


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:22 pm EST

On PIONK, I have no actual knowledge of this but I suspect that he is playing hurt and has been since December. My guess is that it is a nagging kind of injury like a groin or leg muscle issue. The reason I say that is if you watch the way he was playing in the first few months of the season compared to now there is a huge difference. He was so quick and explosive early in the season. Even on the PP point he was great and making a quick little move and exploding around the guy that came out to the point. And while he isn't a big guy early in the year you really saw him use his legs to drive bigger forwards hard at times. All of that is gone from his game right now. I suppose it could be a confidence issue or him just being lost but it doesn't look like it to me. It looks like he has a lower body issue that is preventing him from playing the way he must to be effective.

Vic


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:06 pm EST

pj which one 1940 or 1994 ? 79 years or 25 years

stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:55 am EST

Maybe I should settle for celebrating a previously won Cup....

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 11:39 am EST

PJ - Yeah it's not great...Staal has had a steady 2nd pair year for the most part...ANd MCQ is a solid 3rd pair physical D-man (who will be traded)..I agree, the rest have issues...Pionk has regressed big time (just like SKjei did), Shatt is shitt, Deangelo can be good or bad and I guess has "maturity" issues, Skjei inconsistent also..sometimes a top 4 other times you want him in the press box..Claesson also incosnistent..and then there's SMith!.....I guess the hope lies in Lindgren, Hajak (taking his lumps in AHL), Miller (in a few years), Rykov (???) and a few others....It's really, really scary and we need more....why they need a top young D-man to go along with a top strong young forward in any of the trades they make of Hayes and Zucc or whoever...

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:56 am EST

Irving moofman go make knishpie

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:52 am EST

20 days until the deadline day.....It cannot come soon enuff

tradestar28


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:22 am EST

Hospo...Not ignoring forward problem but our D is horrendous...We have nowhere close to a number one pairing so when the other teams top forwards stay on the ice at crunch time we are screwed...I mean Shatt, TonyD and the rapidly sinking Pionk down the right side...Ugh....The D isn't talked about enough...Do we have potential top D in our system?... Maybe Miller?....

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:14 am EST

KIS - I was kinda lumping THe King in with the D for last night..agree...Disagree on HAYES- a damn good two way 2nd line center in my books...but agree his salary demands might be too high........also disagree on NAMESTNIKOV..he tries..but accomplishes nothing exept being a PK speciaalist on the worst PK team in the league

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:09 am EST

You know what HOSPO, I agree the D is bad at times but Hank was at fault last night. those last two goals sucked. Also, some of these other guys need to come and play. VC, potential, but has sucked for awhile. Move him. Buch, all the potential in the world, move him. Namestikov, give him a role to do and keep him there or move him. Id like to see Names as a 3rd line agigitator. Trade Hayes already good player but he is a tweener. Not strong or physical enough to be a 3rd liner and not sure good enough to be a 2nd liner on a good team. Add in the money he wants, move him. you are so right there is only one line worth anything the rest dont do shit.

Kis


Tue Feb 5 2019 10:06 am EST

Happy Tuesday Legs: https://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/recipes/gordon-ramsay-s-fish-pie

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 9:21 am EST

PJ - The D wasnt horrible last night until the 3rd and hasnt really been the problem..The provlem on defense is usually when the forwards stop back checking and doing their job ..but even that pales in comparison to being a one line team every single game..alot of pressure to do e erything riight

Hospo


Tue Feb 5 2019 9:05 am EST

fishpie shouldn’t have gone with a 23 man roster all year long to save cap space to get captain Callahan etc back ... oh joy....bring out your dead... and all of the kids could have been on the Hartford shuttle....

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:48 am EST

RF73...Amen...Loved the 94 Cup win as much as anybody but 25 f'ing years later nothing more and nothing on the horizon...Hardly a reason to celebrate....

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:37 am EST

Agree on Pionk....What the hell happened to him?....LOved this kids play and now I cringe when he is on the ice....

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:35 am EST

Sorry Hospo...3 goals should be enough no matter who is scoring...And another late lead blown...Staal said he thought Hank was going to play the puck...So he went to the corner to get a pass from him...When Hank didn't play the puck everything fell apart...McQuaid was looking for a penalty call and in the end the Rangers let 2 Kings in alone with less than one minute left...Poor communication and not a rookie among them....

PJ


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:21 am EST

He had a highlight reel drop-pass last night...it went to NO ONE!...His defense partner had to chase it down along the boards in the Ranger D zone...To me it just kills the rush and gives the opposition time to adjust...The other play that irks me is the wholesale dump and change...no one follows the puck into the O zone.

RF73


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:16 am EST

Stevie: one reason to save cap space is so they can take back an expireing contract to facilitate a trade. The more space they have at the deadline the bigger they can take back possibly allowing for a larger return or to get it done at all.

Wildcard


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:13 am EST

Any reason why the mighty Quinney allows captain kirkless and others to do that drop pass bs ? Can anyone tell me what that accomplishes?

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:09 am EST

The Ranger organization should be embarrassed they haven't won a Cup in 25 years...Instead, they have a "celebration"...they couldn't give 2 sh*ts about the product on the ice, i.e 7D = best lineup?...just an excuse to fill the building, sell more anniversary merchandise, $15 beers, $20 chicken, sausage & pizza...each game from now until the end of the season will make it harder to sell tickets / fill the seats...just another example of putting lipstick on a pig already in the processing plant.

RF73


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:03 am EST

Rf4l dumb = tank dive... otherwise they would call a forward up.... 7 d couldn’t stop them from tying the game... play 3 d in the final Foxwood five when you have a lead ...

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 8:01 am EST

LB: I know you read this wall - your article on how the Rangers are handling DeA's maturity issue was fine, except you didn't say how, other than DQ is in constant dialogue with the kid (that we knew already) and DeA is refusing to see a sports psychologist. Much ado about nothing Mr Brooks, which isn't like you!

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:55 am EST

“We have a tendency at times, when we’re winning 2-1, to act like it’s 5-1,” coach David Quinn said. “Just such a fine line between winning and losing at this level. You have to finish the job.”.... try a timeout veenyo...

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:54 am EST

stevie: I am hoping it's because DQ's been told to dress Smith and Shittenkirk because Gorton's desperately trying to trade them. It makes no sense otherwise. McLeod isn't very good but at least with him in you have 6 d-men who can be paired together vs the constant shuffling of partners. It's dumb.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:51 am EST

BTW, FWIW I think Pionk needs to be sent down to Hartford. He's been horrible since Christmas, if not before. Has the NHL caught up to him because he sure looked good before then.

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:50 am EST

Rf4l give me a hint why fishpie has not brought up a guy from Hartford to replace howden?.... What is he saving cap space for this year? He’s tanking.

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:45 am EST

So DQ feels he dressed his best 18 players last night. Wow, what does that say about the Ranger forwards? Yikes. What happens when Hayes and MZA are moved? If at least NHL quality forwards come back (not likely) I guess that means he'll dress 9 d-men (Freddie Clausen and Ryan Lindgren)?

rF4l


Tue Feb 5 2019 7:03 am EST

“I’m liking it a little more,” Quinn said. “I just think it’s our best lineup tonight. I guess I am getting more comfortable with the seven ‘D’.” Tony DeAngelo came back into the lineup following a two-game stretch as a healthy scratch due to a “maturity issue,” according to Quinn. He replaced winger Cody McLeod. “Tony has played well,” said Quinn, who put DeAngelo back on the top pair next to Marc Staal. “To me, it’s dressing your best 18. Ideally, it’s 12 forwards and six ‘D’, but sometimes that’s not the case.”

Stevielegs


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:14 am EST

Ilya, not sure where you get the impression that it is an NHL defense core. Far from it. Outside of maybe Skjei, none of them would be playing on the top 4 lines on any contender team. Pionk is so bad defensively, that probably he won't make top 6 on most teams. Smith is not an NHL d-man. McQuaid and Stall are mostly bottom pair. So when this core plays, you should not be surprised by the results. Current record is a mirage, covered by a good goaltending. So when Hankie is being Hankie, you will get nights like last night.

andrei


Tue Feb 5 2019 1:13 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/rangers-find-a-new-way-to-let-the-kings-break-their-hearts/

mf


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:55 am EST

I’m not putting criticism on DQ. Can’t get blood from a stone.

E


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:25 am EST

Staal, Shattenkirk, Skej, Smith, McQuaid Pionk or TonyD other than that it’s solid nhl defense, maybe it’s DQ has no clue how to rotate his defense at the nhl level ?

Ilya


Tue Feb 5 2019 12:19 am EST

If it was a rookie defense it would be understandable to blow leads actually other than Pionk or Tony D it’s a veteran D they should be solid if you can’t score enough goals and put teams away than you should be able to defend it, the record actually should be better , it’s not like the back line is full of bunch of Pionks!!!

Ilya


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:46 pm EST

NYRs: Kreider and ZBAD are untouchables... None the trade rumors make much sense.. why would FLA give up assets when they will be missing the playoffs to land Panarin/Bobsrovsky whom they can sign for nothing in July... CLB needs to make a deep playoff run and its pointless for them to trade anybody even if they leave as UFA...

schneidw


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:18 pm EST

...that should be "my jr.hockey days ".

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:17 pm EST

mf......I saw those high lights earlier tonight.....brings me back to mf Jr hockey days. Brings back some fond memories but must admit, it looks a little odd and out of place in todays hockey ! Oh well, life goes on...….

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:16 pm EST

PJ - D wasnt special but when you have one line plus Kevin Hayes as your total offense..it doesnt leave much room for error..Until you traade Hayes, at least give him CHytl to play on his line..

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:12 pm EST

Just awful...The D and Hank choke away another one....

PJ


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:39 pm EST

RF4L - And, yes, we will totlly agree to disagree about The King and his petulence

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:37 pm EST

RF4L - Re: Stepan..I think it was a combination of all..but all bridge under water..MF - Yes, a mong;olian clusterfuck of the highest order

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:28 pm EST

OAN, this kid BRENDAN LEMIEUX is built like a tank: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10655

mf


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:26 pm EST

Hospo, it's the definition of a fustercluck. there is no one answer

mf


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:26 pm EST

Hospo: Oh I concur Stepan had to be moved but not because of the player he is/was but because of his stupid contract. I don't believe Stepan's outburst was a heat of the moment thing with no previous history/buildup. Not for a second. It was, I think, a product of 2 things: The Rangers lousy play against the Sens and years of enduring the King carrying on like a petulant child on the ice when mistakes are made in front of him. We can agree, however, to disagree (and I'm certain this stance will provoke a scathing post or 2 shortly from others - tis all good...).

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:25 pm EST

RHET _ I was only talking to RF4L about the Stepan incidnet between two long time teamates...but,,yeah, he has done it on occasion...I for one have zero problem with it..and My bet isthe team has no problem with it either..

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:17 pm EST

Once is the heat of the moment. Multiple times over multiple seasons (or a career) is a tradition.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:17 pm EST

I still profess to not knowing what GORD0's plan is for the next six months.....but.....HAYES is suffering offensively just like ZBAD was when relegated to a garbage line with no offensive wingers...If you are gonna trade him, trade him soon..and Zucc also..and go on with finishing GORDO's s work and really become trhe worst team in the league for the next few years..and maybe get the top picks..and, maybe,.By some miracle, it works....That or extend Hayes as part of your plan for the future...:)

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:12 pm EST

RF4L - Heat of the moment, my man..Professsionl atheletes....things get said and done and they move one....One of the centers had to be traded at that point..If it wasnt Stepan it would have been Hayes or ZBAD..the right choice was made

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:10 pm EST

BTW yep I saw Geo do that same shit and I thought I posted about it but cannot recall. I know if I'm DQ the next time Geo does it he's farmed out.

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:09 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Lundqvist: “That overtime goal sums it up — not only this game, but a lot of games." #NYR lose, 4-3, in overtime.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:07 pm EST

Hospo: I know Stepan didn't like it 9 weeks before he was traded. Was that a spontaneous response of his? I highly doubt it - but like you say, who knows.

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:06 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: a little Nova Scotia action yesterday at the college level: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/university-hockey-acadia-st-fx-brawl-1.5004092

mf


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:02 pm EST

RF4L -I'd bet anything that none of the players on that team feel the way you do about Hank's double stabdard and public call outs..No way of proving of course..Beides, .This team needs and deserves evey bit of it..and as the leader it's up to him...He's a fucking comepttive athlete and he gets pissed...They know it..doesnt matter what fans thihk..and I never saw you criticize Georgies the nigth he started slamming his stick all over the place...Though he should have a nice careeer in the AHL doing it

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:57 pm EST

I guarantee Hayes will like WPG. But I’ll like Hayes in WPG if Lemeiux is in NY

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:55 pm EST

Watching Hayes do nothing while Name was getting roughed up by Phaneuf and Dowdy reminds me of the fact I can’t remember Hayes ever really sticking up for a teammate. Aside from the penalty he drew, didn’t see much from him today. Hope he likes Winnipeg

Puckyou


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:53 pm EST

stevie: The King's penchant for calling out his teammates in public displays of anger yet never having that done to him is also a double standard. Well, wait - it was done once and that guy got traded like 9 weeks later...

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:51 pm EST

The double standard is that everyone around HANK is expected to be perfect or their trashed by the fans. Hank is the exception to the rule. He get's all the excuses.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:49 pm EST

Seven come eleven, boys I'll take your money home

mf


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:48 pm EST

The hanky brigade lives and tanks in the world of double standards. Good thing he didn’t win or steal that game.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:41 pm EST

ill never forget them talking about how they could hear the passengers screaming inside the burning wreckage of the plane. They all were burnt alive. Potsie died so horrificly

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:38 pm EST

We're 3 points away from the 4th pick overalll.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:37 pm EST

E... The NYR''s?

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:36 pm EST

That was arguably the worst team in the NHL...

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:35 pm EST

Sometimes Hank just sucks...…….course he's not alone by any means. Oh and DQ...wake the f-ck up, 7 D-men does not work . Just stop . Stop doing that.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:34 pm EST

What? No stick slamming by Hankie? No teammate yelling? Wish Kings won in regulation so we won’t be getting the useless point...

andrei


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:34 pm EST

The Queen is really embracing the tankjob!!!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:34 pm EST

So let’s see. The New York Rangers play the Los Angeles Kings. The NYR lead most of the game. LA scores late, game goes to OT and the NYR lose... kinda reminds you of a SCF.

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:33 pm EST

LOL...

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:33 pm EST

Losers point

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:32 pm EST

Hank, you were awful tonight. Just got to say it.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:31 pm EST

That pursed lipped not sure where to look WTF they don't listen expression on DQ I find amusing.

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:29 pm EST

McQuaids goal hides the fact that he has just been putrid tonight.

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:28 pm EST

McQuaid value dropping!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:27 pm EST

Ohhhhhhhhhh HANKIE!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:26 pm EST

Pionk is awful defensively. Every time Rangers pinned in he seems on the ice.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:19 pm EST

Namestnikov took about 5 cross-checks on that shift. No penalty...

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:17 pm EST

King trade value dropping...!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:17 pm EST

OAN why hasn't the Randy Dinosaur Caryle been fired? The Ducks are horrid and so full of breakdowns everywhere, not to mention listless play.

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:16 pm EST

Zbad trade value rising as well!! :-)

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:13 pm EST

McQuaid trade value rising!!!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:12 pm EST

ADAM MCQUAID!

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:10 pm EST

Rhet: Cuz he was sleeping. God forbid one of his defenseman do that!!!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:09 pm EST

OTBG's twin brother coaching the Kings...

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:09 pm EST

How does Hankie not make that save?

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:07 pm EST

The Queen waayy too far back in his net on that goal. SOmeone should break their stick over the crossbar!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:03 pm EST

Hospo...you know what I really liked about that trade? That Gorton extracted a 2nd rounder out of the Sens. That's a significant pick. And for years, we watched Sather and before him to a lesser extent Smith make deals where it was the Rangers coughing up picks. So refreshing!!!

rF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:33 pm EST

Wow..I forgot about Potsie passing away...It will be a shame and a disgrace if Neil Smith isnt part of the celebrration..But I guess that's on SATHER and Dolan

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:26 pm EST

HANK is still a total train wreck behind his own goal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:21 pm EST

RF4L - Yes, you liked..for what that is worth...I thought it was sideways at best..but I'm on a roll!

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:20 pm EST

Jake - Correct! ANother one i missed!

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:17 pm EST

Bob...yep but some of us liked it when it went down. And look at Brassard since...down down down.

RF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:16 pm EST

Man..KOvulchuk is flying...But seriously, I dont think speed is everything if you take care of everything else, but the Kings are sloth-like Sloooow..

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:16 pm EST

Yeah I googled it ..Vachon own cup with Montreal in the last 60s

Jake0104


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:13 pm EST

I think Vachon went to the Kings in the early 70s.

Jake0104


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:12 pm EST

Well that Brassard for Zibenejad Deal is looking pretty good these days.

Bob


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:11 pm EST

Jake - I was gonna say Giacomin and Rogie Vachon!

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:10 pm EST

Is the answer Giacomin and Sawchuck for the Kings?

Jake0104


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:06 pm EST

Zibanejad now has 52 points in 52 games.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:06 pm EST

That line, and especially ZBAD, is playing as well as any in the NHL right now...Thank God, it's the only threat the team has..well..except fo CHYTL now and then..Hayes has nobody to pass to

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:04 pm EST

Z-BAD SCORESSSSSSS!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:03 pm EST

Z-bad is the first player in NYR history to score a point on 9 consecutive goals. I never would've guessed.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:50 pm EST

I think Hayes (and MZA and McQaid and Kreider) are known commodities now. It's really a matter of what Gorton can squeeze out competing GMs now...

RF4l


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:41 pm EST

KIS - Hard to showcase HAYES when you have him playingwith BICHNEVICH , FAST and whoever..BUt, if he's being traded, I gather the League knows enough already

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:38 pm EST

Rangers showcasing players. Is that the reason for the 11 & 7 ?

Kis


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:30 pm EST

good play by Deangelo..Not many in the League as good as Kreider im fromt of the net..

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:29 pm EST

Play too.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:29 pm EST

BTW, That was an amazing pass by DeAngelo.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:27 pm EST

Kreider, you are lucky. That was really close.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:19 pm EST

Glad to see a game on the NHL network so I dont have to listent to the shills that are Nosen and Dickaltetti..but thaat's exactly who I get..nauseating....BTW, my man BOO is good this perioD!..Must have taken Sat. night's benching to heart..Good for him!

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:10 pm EST

Is Dubi part of the BOBO trade??? ....per Complete Hockey News ‏ @CompleteHkyNews .... Columbus Blue Jackets forward Brandon Dubinsky was pulled from practice early. #CBJ.... Meanwhile, Ottawa Senators forward Matt Duchene was met by assistant GM Peter MacTavish as he was leaving the ice for the morning skate, per Bruce Garrioch. #GoSensGo

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:05 pm EST

Man, if Columbus lands BRASSARD, the chances are that they will probably flip him too. If so, he would be moves three times before the deadline. New record?? ....per Jimmy Murphy ‏ Verified account @MurphysLaw74 .... As I tweeted here before, I've been hearing #CBJ G Sergei Bobrovsky linked to #FLAPanthers for a while. Had two very trusted sources tell me they tried hard for him at 2018 draft and also looked into acquiring #NHLBruins G Tuukka Rask more than once.

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 7:01 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Panthers interested in dealing for Bobrovsky as prelude to enticing him to sign what would be an 8-year extension. Brassard would likely be part of package going to Columbus in return, we're told.... ALSO, per Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline .... The Athletic: Sergei Bobrovsky and Artemi Panarin are free to make their choices, but not without questions from Blue Jackets’ teammates; Foligno and Atkinson have pressed them, but know they can’t get too personal #CBJ https://theathletic.com/800093/2019/02/04/sergei-bobrovsky-and-artemi-panarin-free-to-make-their-choices-but-not-without-questions-from-blue-jackets-teammates/ …

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 6:59 pm EST

I think 'maturity issue' is code for, he used the N-word again.... "How Tony DeAngelo is getting help to tackle his 'maturity issue'".... https://nypost.com/2019/02/04/how-tony-deangelo-is-getting-help-to-tackle-his-maturity-issue/

Rhet0ric


Mon Feb 4 2019 6:06 pm EST

E: It's definitely looking that way, unless they miss the playoffs he could come over and play for the Pack, I believe.

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 5:46 pm EST

Krapshoots ETA should be September no?

E


Mon Feb 4 2019 5:35 pm EST

RDW: on the Shestyorkin team I believe it was a good article from a poster maybe 6 months ago ( apologies I am horrible remembering what poster posts what looking back ) however ... I remember it was very good breaking the KHL teams down and that the SKA team is basically rigged to be dominant . They have no cap unlike the other teams and get first option on any player somewhat like the Yankees and Canadians used to have ? It was not an opinion article it seemed to have facts and actual payroll numbers compared to the other teams . Anyway .. point is not sure what to think about him as of yet .

Shonuff


Mon Feb 4 2019 5:03 pm EST

shonuff: They definitely stink. Somehow they've hung around. Their goal differential is -40. Shestyorkin's team, SKA, is +113.

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 4:54 pm EST

Thanks guys. They must have made up ground because I thought team had no shot earlier in the year.

shonuff


Mon Feb 4 2019 4:12 pm EST

shonuff: Kravtsov's team is currently in the 8th seed, so they have the final playoff spot. They are two points up on the next team and they have a game in hand. They have six games left and I believe their season ends on the 20th.

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 4:09 pm EST

shonuff I believe his last game with his team is Feb 22 and last I checked they were not making the playoffs. If he does come over I would assume its with the wolfpack

tlats


Mon Feb 4 2019 3:44 pm EST

Scanning this board looking for an update on Kravtsov but not seeing anything or I missed it. I read earlier in the year he might come over early because the team he plays on is horrible an will not play in the post season. I am not sure but I thought this meant end of this month ? Also I assume he would be AHL bound ??? Also non hockey related: For the people listening to Romo for the first time that was probably the worst offensive game he had to call this season that just happened to be the SB. His Patriot -KC 4th quarter calls were legendary IMO.

shonuff


Mon Feb 4 2019 3:40 pm EST

Latest rumor on CBJ/FLA: https://twitter.com/nyp_brooksie/status/1092473010328686594?s=21

Puckyou


Mon Feb 4 2019 2:35 pm EST

Irving moofman knish I’m not rooting for lala like you and Vic. Fishpie says this and fishpie says that and the mighty Quinney says yeah ... the tank dive evidence is mounting. The nhl would love to find a squealer, to throw dirt on the nyr . Maybe you want to wear a wire and be a sammy the bs? Do you have the mark of the squealer? .... Remember joe valachi...

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 2:13 pm EST

McClod,Vesey and a man named Boo....Not a recipe for success...

PJ


Mon Feb 4 2019 2:10 pm EST

PentangeliLEGS: The "Cannoli Council" has interest in who you're rooting for in the Rangers/Kings game.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FeMvQR-0VA

mf


Mon Feb 4 2019 1:54 pm EST

Kinda pissed they are playing 7-D..they should be playing 8 given the utter uselessness of NIEVES and the 4th lines performance the other night...And while I think MCLEOD deserved a spot on the team this year given what he brings and the zero alternatives made avaialble by GORDO, the guy shuld be playing in only about 1/3rd of the games..not a fixture on the 4th line..Underscores the dreck factor of this team

Hospo


Mon Feb 4 2019 1:19 pm EST

This is a big "must lose" game tonight. They need to make sure that the Kings come away with a 2 point regulation win. Say it with me STEVIE...."LETS GO KINGS!".......

Vic


Mon Feb 4 2019 1:02 pm EST

Well at least tdchi will be happy with iCloud sitting in the skybox. Why call up a forward when you can save cap space for fishpie in the sky.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:57 pm EST

Rf4l it’s beyond absurd playing 7 d with the real lack of offense in most games. Showcasing Smith is like putting lipstick on a pig . There’s nothing to see there or here . He needs to go, but the return hopefully will be cap space. .. who knows their record in games when Quinney is using 7 d ? .... wait until you see the after the deadline roster and lineups ..... that will be beyond oh joy!

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:46 pm EST

Oh joy...7 d-men tonight. I can only assume Smith is in the lineup because Gorton's hoping another team will trade for him.

rf4L


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:34 pm EST

Pj that article was from before this season

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:29 pm EST

I was responding to the article which mentioned those figures...I didn't know people who post here already knew what Hayes is asking for...

PJ


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:15 pm EST

I heard Hayes wanted to sign for free but "Fishpie" is so dumb he said no...

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:05 pm EST

Rf4l I doubt lb was far off on what Hayes was asking for , probably with a limited ntc. But that ship has sailed because fishpie blew hot air into those sails . He signed Shea butter instead. I assume he decided back then he would trade Hayes by the deadline.

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:01 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/2/4/mckenzie-roslovic-non-starter-for-jets-in-trade-talks

RDW


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:56 am EST

PJ: If Hayes is willing to accept those terms then agreed he should be resigned. That's basically a sideways move for him from a yearly $$ perspective and would put him hitting UFA at 32. I think if that was the case, he'd have been signed last summer. He's going to get $1,000,000 to $2,000,000/year more than that plus another 2 years. That's probably what he wants and expects and will get.

rf4L


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:37 am EST

Sorry for the repetition.

kitchen1


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:36 am EST

He's NOT signing for those terms!!

kitchen1


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:36 am EST

He's NOT signing for those terms!!

kitchen1


Mon Feb 4 2019 11:06 am EST

We won't give Hayes 5.5M-6M for 4-5 years?....Why not?...He is 26 for crying out loud.....A late first rounder for him with our management making the selection?....Good luck....

PJ


Mon Feb 4 2019 10:11 am EST

The Red Sox won the world series......

kitchen1


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:22 am EST

"This couldn’t have snuck up on the front office. The approximate price point for a long-term contract has been established for weeks. Once Gorton was unable to deal Hayes (or Zibanejad) by the end of June, the GM must have been able to see this coming. Honestly, another selection in the presumed 24-31 range gained in exchange for Hayes doesn’t seem to represent much of an acceleration of the rebuild. Regardless, this is where we (and the Rangers) stand. The clock is already ticking on the trade deadline. With the Garden shaping up as an upscale halfway house. Saturday’s signing of Brady Skjei to a fair-market six-year deal worth $5.25 million per was an important one for the Rangers, who have a history of going long-term on second contracts for defensemen — e.g., Ryan McDonagh and Marc Staal."

stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:17 am EST

"Barring an unforeseen development, the Rangers and Kevin Hayes appear on their way to a one-year contract that will usher the 26-year-old center to unrestricted free agency a year from now … after he is dealt at the deadline for a presumed late first-round draft pick, that is. Slap Shots has learned there has been little traction in talks between the parties regarding a long-term agreement aimed at keeping Hayes on Broadway as one of the rebuilding linchpins. The improper Bostonian, scheduled for a salary-arbitration hearing on Thursday, is believed to be seeking deal between $5.5 million and $6 million per for five or six years. General manager Jeff Gorton doesn’t seem inclined to make that type of commitment to him. Hayes’ request is in line with what he could expect to receive on the 2019 open market. Adam Henrique, two years older and with a résumé featuring an additional 200 games of NHL experience, recently signed a five-year extension with Anaheim worth $5.85 million per that kicks in next season. Though the two centers have produced similar overall numbers, Hayes has been slightly more productive at five-on-five (.19/.18 GPG, .26/.19 APG, .45/.37 PPG). Hayes has all the leverage in these talks. He either gets paid on a long-term deal here or someplace else in another 12 months. Though the Rangers have a history of signing bridge contracts to forwards who file for arbitration, none who have come before (including Ryan Callahan, Brandon Dubinsky, Chris Kreider, Mats Zuccarello, J.T. Miller and Hayes himself) were one year away from unrestricted free agency. So this is a first."

stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:09 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/rangers-put-off-real-kevin-hayes-decision-with-one-year-deal/

stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 9:07 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/07/28/rangers-stance-on-kevin-hayes-contract-complicates-rebuild/

stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:46 am EST

Hospo: yeah, the Price for Hayes just started at 9 mil per year asking price....if Stone is getting 10 mil avg, who could tell Hayes to sign for 6.5-7 per?

Wildcard


Mon Feb 4 2019 8:18 am EST

When did sunrise Florida become a big city ? Panerin could get the Panera and wonder bread accounts ....

Stevielegs


Mon Feb 4 2019 12:15 am EST

Mitch Marner wants Auston Matthews money. That could be an issue with the Leafs.... https://twitter.com/NHLTradeRumors/status/1091425652652363776

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 11:04 pm EST

They play differernt positions, but STONE and HAYES are the exact same age and have basically played the same amount of NHL game...BOTH are still improving and have played their best the last tow years but STONE's career production is much Higher...Maybe see what STONE gets and subtrtact a MILL per year is what Hayes's agent will likely go for..

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:54 pm EST

MF- cool! This was a brutal game, but impressive defense on both sides. Obviously Gurley wasn’t 100%. STONE contract: wtf! Yeah, our rental price might go up, but that doesn’t bode well for reasonable contracts moving forward. KREIDER- I don’t care what we get for him, we are not going to replace what he brings. He can skate, he’ll be effective well into his 30’s. But what do I know, I still want Zucc on this team. I love the idea of youth, but it’s tough to trade away a successful homegrown Ranger. Unless the goal is complete roster turnover every five years.

ColoradoMark


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:48 pm EST

ROMO was the only good thing about the Super Bowl. That and the Amazon commercial and the Bubly commercial. HOSPO- I’ve been a Rams fan since I was a little kid in the 70’s. I remember Merlin Olson from TV, but Haden and Ferragamo were my main memories. SUH and TALIB were two guys I was not looking forward to having on my team. Still hate Talib, but SUH has been classy.

ColoradoMark


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:34 pm EST

The NFL is officially unwatchable ....RDW.... It wouldn't surprise me but I also don't think it matters too much. Brass is a shell of his former self and shouldn't really affect the market for HAYES.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:23 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re the king of the knish kouncil

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:20 pm EST

Can’t wait for the nyr to become the patriots of the nhl .... in fishpie I don’t trust...

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:17 pm EST

And my favorite was Rosey Grier..Never forget watching the assisination of Bobby Kennedey and him being there..Sorry for the non-Ranger stuff..just rambling

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:15 pm EST

MF - and the Fearsome Foursome! Deacon Jones ..Merlin olsen...Now they have that twit Ndomukun Suh! ( I know he's good)

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:08 pm EST

Los Angeles fan

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:07 pm EST

MFred, what's with the pessimism? We could draft a McIlrath... Legs you're not currying any favor with the Council of the Cannoli Classic... Cmark I was a Little am fan when Roman Gabriel was Quarterback... Awesome team back then

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:54 pm EST

Rhet: I've heard Florida might still move Brassard, so he could still be a factor. No doubt that Duchesne and Stone signing helps us moving Hayes though

RDW


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:49 pm EST

mf, Panerin is signing in either Miami or NY. He wants a big city. NY is a perfect fit.

andrei


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:43 pm EST

Rhet, there you go.. odds were they were working on both contracts simultaneously to get both signed.. Ott certainly opened their purse strings, could they fit PANRIN too?

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:40 pm EST

Andrei... My thoughts exactly. Duchene, Stone and Brassard now gone, all eyes should now be trained on us.... HOSPO... It seemed odd to me too. My first thought was that maybe he flipped the two deals? I guess we'll know for sure when the deal(s0 are made official.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:29 pm EST

Rhet, if that’s true, that’s the best news. Zuc’s and Hayes price just went up.

andrei


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:29 pm EST

And was that 8 year 80 million for Stone not a typo? Yikes for a 20-25 goal (but consistent and having his best year..but still!) scorer!.....RF4L - I have kinda lost touch with the NFL but I have to admit ROMO is one of the best analysts I've heard in awhile

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:25 pm EST

On Rykov, dont know if 2 goals in 41 games is taking off..:) but he seems to be doing well and getting alot of ice against older skilled players which is good..all in all a good year.......But the real player the Rangers should look at in the KHL is some guy by the name of NIGEL DAWES who leads the league in Goals with 26!!

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:11 pm EST

And betcha lots more scorcing if Saints were (rightfully) playing!!!

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:09 pm EST

First time watching a game with Tony Romo as colour guy. Very unique and very astute and for me quite entertaining.

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:00 pm EST

Rykov doesn't get PP time so his offensive stats are pretty impressive.

RDW


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:47 pm EST

This guy asked to be traded because he wanted to show the NYR what he's capable of and man has he taken off... Per Stat Boy ‏ @StatBoy_Steven .... New York Rangers prospect Yegor Rykov leads all U22 defensemen in the KHL in points after scoring today in the 4-3 win over Lokomotiv Yaroslavl, with his 8th point (2G, 6A) #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:27 pm EST

MF..... PER Bruce Garrioch ‏ @SunGarrrioch_ .... Hearing the #SENS and Mark Stone have agreed to an 8 year 80 million dollar deal. Just finalizing the paper work. In conjunction to that, sounds like the Matt Duchene deal is very close. 8 year 72 million. Big work here by Dorion #Future

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:26 pm EST

RHET - True..but if scouts (or anybody) were watchung KREIDER the other night when he went pointless agasint the Flyers..they would have benn watching the best player on the ice by far..There have been quite a few nights like that..and yes, some of that is due to his inability to finish

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:25 pm EST

Rhey...careful Kreider is a demigod in here!!!!

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:24 pm EST

Worst month.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:24 pm EST

Yep showing my age but dude did you really have to take your shirt off?

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:24 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - I can see the possibility of Hayes' agent doing that..but you kind of say it as a fact..Any inside informaation?

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:22 pm EST

The problem with KREIDER is that he just had his worth month of the entire season. 3 goals for all of January and only 3 goals in his last 14 games. He had 7 in December, 7 in November and 6 in October. Heck, I saw his face on the back of a milk carton this morning.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:11 pm EST

Kreider possesses some of the best underlying numbers in the NHL. 10th in relative CorsiFor percentage Seventh in relative scoring chances for percentage 27th in relative goals for percentage

schneidw


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:00 pm EST

Bring in Vince Ferragamo or Pat Haden

tradestar28


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:57 pm EST

Edelman would have been a fsb hockey player.

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:51 pm EST

CoMark... I think everyone not from the New England area is a RAMS fan today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:47 pm EST

VIC/Andrei... I am also on the same page as youse guys. We were playing .500 hockey before HAYES got injured and we were one game under .500 when Hayes was out. That right there leads me to believe that he's a forgone conclusion.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:45 pm EST

I’m a Rams fan and this is frustrating as anything!

ColoradoMark


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:42 pm EST

HAYES- Bottom Line.... Hayes and his agent drive a ridiculously hard bargain and will not give the NYRs any team discount.. highest bidder will win his services this summer... might as well get something in return...

schneidw


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:37 pm EST

Clunker of a superbowl so far...

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 7:09 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re confusing bundling with bungling. Fishpie has no choice but to stay his course, and hope that whatever picks he gets otbg doesn’t give him bad advice. I’m waiting for any one these kids , prospects, and picks to light up the nhl . Until then it’s sos....with a facelift...

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 3 2019 6:11 pm EST

mf.......you’re right if we get another 1St. Rounder we might just pick another Jessiman.....what was I thinking. We’ll definitely do better than Hayes.....why Lias Anderson comes to mind....Brendl......

Melvillefred


Sun Feb 3 2019 6:10 pm EST

Vic, got you. Then we are, indeed, on the same page..

andrei


Sun Feb 3 2019 5:53 pm EST

ANDREI: I think you misunderstand. I definitely want to see a sell off and at least two years of picking in the Top 3 of the draft. I don't think the Rangers should resign HAYES at all. My point was that if the Rangers aren't planning to do what you and I want them to do then they have a real problem on their hands. I think you and I are in alignment that is at least a 5 to 7 year process. But if the Rangers see it as a 2 to 3 year process like some here then it makes no sense to trade away HAYES now. They aren't going to get anyone better if they aren't drafting at the top of the draft. Certainly not someone who can actually contribute within a 2 to 3 year time frame. That is all I am saying. I don't agree with that approach at all.

Vic


Sun Feb 3 2019 5:18 pm EST

Vic, This is a backwards logic. So we need to re-sign Hayes, to make sure we won't get a high pick? Not that is matters anyway. Contrary to LB's belief, Rangers have zero interest in re-signing Hayes, and Hayes is going to play out the free agency to his advantage. For anyone who thinks that Hayes will somehow sign a home discount contract, are just naive. He is going to get paid and it won't be from the Rangers. You don't pay $7.5-$8 mil per for a 2nd line center, when you are not a contender. Makes 0 sense. Not for a 7 year contract. That is what Hayes will be looking for. NT for a max money, 7 year term. This is his payday and he will get it. Could never understand the argument that we need to settle 2nd line center position, right now!! Why? This team is, at best, 3-4 years away from competing. They are not "going" for a playoff run next season. Not with this defense and not with this forward core. I know people don't want a long rebuild, but this is a long rebuild, that just got started. To me, last draft is a clear indicator what this Management group is planning to do. Build through the draft. All three 1st 2018 round picks seems to be on track to become a future core of this team. Miller might even become a top pair d-man we so desperately need. Add potential 3 more 1st round picks this summer (NYR 1st, TB 1st and 1st rounder we will get for Hayes) and we are 1 step closer. Krider will bring a nice return next year, along with rest of the vets and rebuild is complete. We should see Kravtsov on the bug club next year, Andersson should be playing a full season on the big club. I much rather watch these kids play, then another overpaid vet.

andrei


Sun Feb 3 2019 4:55 pm EST

Agreed, we must do everything in or power to accumulate another 1sr round pick for this season and next which may have a lottery chance, all the while solidifying the bottom six, wings, and 2nd & 3rd pairs.....

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 4:47 pm EST

RHET: I don't disagree with anything you said about HAYES. And I've said it before that he really needed to develop a few years earlier then he did. Twenty or 30 years ago it wouldn't have mattered. But with the Cap it is a huge issue. I will say this though. If the Rangers aren't going to be drafting anyone in the top 3 of the draft either this year or next year then they really should resign HAYES. Because at least with HAYES and ZBAD they have two really good #2 Centers. Without HAYES and no top 6 talent coming in the middle in the draft this year or next year they are going to be stuck being about the 20th team in the league for a few years and then the bottom will fall out. To answer your question about the money....$6.5 million today isn't the same as $6.5 Million 3 or 4 years ago. The Cap has gone up. But even so if they could agree on $6 Million or so, or $6.5 on a 5 year deal, that would be better. As for PANARIN, he is going to cost $10 Million per according to the "experts". No thanks..... But if it were me and this were my choice I would be going for a top pick in this year's draft AND next year's draft. It is the fastest way to get back to being a Cup contender again IMHO....

Vic


Sun Feb 3 2019 4:41 pm EST

Man, did we ever trade Derick Brassard at the right time. The guy has been struggling since he left NY. Also, we traded Brass and a 7th for Z-Bad and a 2nd. We robbed Ottawa blind! That is some great GM-ing there. We need more of that in our future.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 4:12 pm EST

When we signed Derek Stepan long term to his contract he had 3 seasons of 50 points or more, one season where he had 44 points in 48 games and his first season where he put up 45 points. With an average of 17 goals per season. Stepan is pretty much a model of consistency where you know you'll get roughly 17 goals and 50+ points from him every season to go along with superb defense.... Kevin Hayes has a less consistent history. He also had 45 points in his first season, then dropped the 36, then up to 49 points and then back down to 44. Hayes averages about 18 goals per season, but that's only because he had one 25 goal season. Solid defense. Prettier passes than Stepan, but quite often he also hits you in the skates. You can blame the NYR for not signing him to a long term contract sooner, but you can also blame Hayes for not being more consistent in his game sooner either. One could argue that there was no reason to sign him to a long term deal before this season. The proof is in the pudding.... A lot of people here complained about the money and the NTC for Stepan. I wonder how they would feel about paying Hayes $6.5-7.5 Mil per season with a NTC/NMC attached to some or all of those years? Should we pay Hayes more per season to give us less? What kind numbers can we even expect him to put up? Hayes has not impressed me too much since he's been back. He's been more of a passenger than anything else. Riding on Z-Bad's coattails. You can say that Z-Bad also get's fat on the PP, but I would also point out that he is a spark plug/PPQB where Hayes is a participant. One is more necessary than the other. I would be onboard for re-signing Hayes but not for 6-8 years. That just smells of a contract that we will live to regret ...Personally, I would rather keep the money available for a player like PANARIN. It's a safer bet. I would also give more responsibility to CHYTIL and the rookie KRAVSTOV with Hayes gone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 3:31 pm EST

Anyone want to revise their opinion of our 2018 1st Round Picks? ....PER New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Update on the 2018 #NYR 1st Rounders: Kravtsov – leads KHL players younger than 20 in goals (7), assists (13), & points (20).... Miller – leads NCAA freshmen d-men in A/GP (0.70) & P/GP (0.91).... Lundkvist – leads SHL d-men younger than 19 years old in assists (7) & points (10)

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 3:08 pm EST

JT BROWN on waivers..a guy I wanted in the off season..You can drop any of Mcleod, Nueves, Buch for my money

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 2:43 pm EST

Frankie Valli chimes in on the Hayes and Zucc situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM_A5QZZyc

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 2:39 pm EST

Gentlemen: IMO you trade to enhance your chances at "Lottery Picks" That may include, "bundling," but I'd check with Rhet first.

mf


Sun Feb 3 2019 2:26 pm EST

Predators also interested in Kevin Hayes... https://www.nhltraderumor.com/nhl-rumors-jets-predators-kevin-hayes/

Rhet0ric


Sun Feb 3 2019 1:25 pm EST

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/winnipeg-jets-interested-rangers-centre-kevin-hayes/

schneidw


Sun Feb 3 2019 11:47 am EST

Hospo...put away those razor blades!!!

RF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 11:31 am EST

Hospo: I knew we'd get you involved in the prospects discussion! :-)

RDW


Sun Feb 3 2019 11:27 am EST

From Lord Stanley to Logan Stanley and the irrelvance and hopelessness of the New York Rangers..

Hospo


Sun Feb 3 2019 11:10 am EST

Logan Stanley

tradestar28


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:37 am EST

RDW: Kristian Vesalainen intrigues me, too.

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:27 am EST

RF4L: Dylan Samberg could also be a potential target for Gorton if we're dealing with the Jets.

RDW


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:15 am EST

RF- I agree- do it now.both these players just came off injuries, are scoring at a great pace, sell at the top of the market. Try and cover your short in July.

Puckyou


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:12 am EST

What I talked about yesterday, rental deal and resign in July, possible- not probable for sure. Hayes would be the tougher one to pull off,as he will get some healthy bids. If Florida misses on Panarin after clearing cap space, Hayes could get some state tax free $$$.https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/trade-bait-shines-but-rangers-still-jolted-by-nhl-best-lightning/

Puckyou


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:12 am EST

RF4L—Living out here among the fruits and nuts, I see the Western Comference all the time. The only enticing players in Dallas are not playing in Dallas. Talk about busts, you need only look at Nichuskin. All sorts of ballyhoo about him returning and he contributes squat. Dallas is another one line team. And they depend on Ben Bishop. There is Edmonton, but now that Clueless Chiarelli is gone wo knows who is running that operation now. If they cannot play Draisaitl and McDavid on different lines, they have a very long way to go. Colorado was lifeless at home last night against Vancouver. They were booed from the second period onward.

Bob


Sun Feb 3 2019 10:05 am EST

Would Ty Dellandrea interest the Rangers? Stars selected him 13th overall last JUne but he's not showing up in any top rated NHL prospect charts. Perhaps that's because he's playing on such a dreadful team - the OHL's Flint Firebirds have won only 9 of 52 games and Dellandrea is basically the only kid who can generate offense on that team. How about Hayes for Spezza (to help the Stars with the salary hit), Dellandrea and the Stars 2019 1st rounder. Perhaps the Stars could lottery protect it this year only ala what the Sens did with the pick now owned by the Aves. Just mushing here folks...

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:38 am EST

I guess a lot depends on what other teams are chasing Hayes and the return being discussed with them. I heard yesterday Dallas is looking to buy because they are desperate not to finish out of the POs but what do they have to offer? Their 1st could end up being a lottery pick which is enticing...

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:36 am EST

Bob....my biggest worry is one of the big (Hayes and MZA) will get hurt before Gorton trades them. Let's hope not - given the way they're both playing the return should mirror what Nash fetched. Would Hayes get you Lemieux and the Jets' first pick?

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:28 am EST

Winnipeg has several enticing trade targets. If they add Hayes to play with Laine, they could be dangerous in the playoffs. The problem there is that their goaltending has taken a big step back since last season. Of all of the potential Hayes destinations, Winnipeg has the most interesting prospects. With the Ottawa pick off the table, I don’t see a match for the Rangers with Colorado. And they are sinking fast, like most one line teams do. Last night was a good result.......a good game played, hard working, and a regulation loss. The Rangers need to be on the elevator heading for the basement for the final 30 games.

Bob


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:18 am EST

BTW, the idea of Hayes going to Winnipeg is gaining traction amongst the media rumour mongers. Could Jack Roslovic and/or Brendan Lemieux be on Gorton's radar? The former popped in hattrick last night and the latter scored his 7th goal. I'm really starting to like the notion of Lemieux in a Ranger uniform. Big (6'1" and 210 lbs) and nasty and obviously has some skill - precisely the sort of winger I think DQ covets. However, is he emerging too impressively now, meaning the Jets won't trade him?

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:11 am EST

LB now floating the possibility of both Hayes and MZA being traded but with nudge/nudge/wink/winks and resigning in July. If you believe both are important to the rebuild that obviously is nirvana for the Rangers. It would also to a certain extent, explain why it appears there's been no negotiations between Hayes and the Rangers.

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:03 am EST

So those who are adamant that the Rangers resign Hayes what do you envision the contract to look like, amount and term?

rF4l


Sun Feb 3 2019 9:01 am EST

I thought the mighty Quinney should have called his timeout when there was a stoppage during the pp late in the 3rd period to keep his first unit on for the 32 seconds still left..... . I’m not a big purple haze fan , but he was really impressive last night. He’s probably the winner of the most improved player award.

Stevielegs


Sun Feb 3 2019 8:52 am EST

I’ll be very surprised if fishpie doesn’t trade all his ufas to increase his chances in the lose for Hughes lottery , and prepare for the expansion draft and lose for next season’s lottery. As a fan I would hope he resigns most of who he trades , but I doubt that will happen. He’s creating his own golden parachute. .... Dolan would be better off rehiring neil Smith. And that won’t happen either.

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:26 pm EST

Because there's zero guarantee either will resign and risking losing one or both for nothing during a rebuild/retool is just plain dumb. Sorry for the bluntness but I don't get the consternation here...

RF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:13 pm EST

BOB - Why Not? CHYTL doesnt get a pay day for quie awhile..and though I agree he is a center,coaches may have a different view as evidenced by DQ....and he can always be traded..:(..Plus, the only existing wing that really has to be paid is KREIDER...the rest can be traded or let go..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:04 pm EST

Because Chytil is going to be a Center and you don’t have the luxury of keeping Zibanejad, Hayes and Chytil. Pretty simple really.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:02 pm EST

....move....

Melvillefred


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:01 pm EST

Like Stevie and Hospo......I’ve been saying the same thing, you trade Hayes and get rid of Zucc and we’re gonna suck for the next 5 years. And why would you do that? It’s a rebuild so you hang on to your talent and more the dreck.

Melvillefred


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:55 pm EST

Good night for ping pong balls.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:47 pm EST

Good try...but when after Kreider and Zucc your wings are as useless as tits on a bull for offense, it's really hard to come back..Hoenstly, HAYES and ZBAD are looking like a good 1-2 combo down the middle...That may change but both ahve taken strides.....The Rangers are just 2 wings short....Whether it's the right thing or not, STEVIE is right, you trade Zucc and Hayes, you might just have the worst team in the league..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:44 pm EST

Perfect ending to the entertaining game. No need to get useless points.

andrei


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:43 pm EST

VIC - Okay..half National!

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:41 pm EST

They should have tied this game but they didn’t

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:40 pm EST

RF73: It isn't on National TV. Some of us aren't getting to watch the game.....

Vic


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:35 pm EST

Bob - A good 1st period..a bad 2nd period abotaged by the 4th line..and a good gutsy 3rd period..They don't hit..but they dont quit..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:31 pm EST

Call a timeout Quinney

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:30 pm EST

They are playing a good game against a very good team.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:28 pm EST

Nice trip parmenter take 2

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:27 pm EST

F u Callahan

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:14 pm EST

wow..two good passes..and Hayes with a shot for a gaol...and call me an Monkey's Uncle...Against all odds..and playing only 3 lines for the last two periods and really only one of worth..this team is only a goal form tieing it up..! Strange game!

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:12 pm EST

Purple haze ups his value to 2 firsts... hanky assist

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:07 pm EST

Guess ref sees net knock off as an accident or closed his eyes

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:50 pm EST

andrei - he sure does have some Kovalovian brain farts..but he's of no concern anymore...we have plentyy of our own problems..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:45 pm EST

J.T Miller again shows why he is so frustrating to coach. So much potential, but head scratching decisions just outweigh all positive attributes he has to offer... so glad he is not a Ranger anymore. $5.25 per year? No thanks.

andrei


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:44 pm EST

Hospo I could of swore I read here this year that zucchini was washed up

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:42 pm EST

Zucc showing the Rangers and the rest of the NHL what he's worth...Good for Kucherov and Shatt!

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:38 pm EST

Can you imagine this team without zucchini and Hayes for the last 20 . It will smell like the circus is in town .

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:30 pm EST

Stamingya is George Vezina du jour thanks to the Rangers.

RF73


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:28 pm EST

Bad enough there is zero physical passion to this game (always a constant fr the Rangers) so far but to also be whipped on National TV kinda sucks....And why would NBC schedule thos game for a National Prime Time audience??..Anyway, The lack of Depth--the crappy 3rd and 4th lines-- between the two is striking..Maybe the PP will get them going?

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:27 pm EST

Well on their way to being embarrassed on national TV…

RF73


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:25 pm EST

Sather’s stamkos makes it 3-0 ... nyr are asleep

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:17 pm EST

Another bad, undisciplined shift by the 4th line and it's 2-0..They shouldnt see the ice the rest of the game..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:07 pm EST

Stevielegs: That may be true...but we dont know what he wanted for NMC type stuff. If he wanted a NMC or a restrictive NTC, well....thats not OK IMHO....Hayes had part of a top end season and was looking for 5.5 or so and if he also wanted a NMC or something like that....hell no....and now he has had a really good season in a contract year...and even at that really good year he is at under a ppg but will want to be paid like the few guys who get a ppg+ and may demand a NMC...IMHO I don't think the Rangers would have only singed him one year and not gotten to 5.5 to save 400K per....I think Hayes either wanted a lot more (and it wasn't properly reported or known to the media types) or he wanted a NMC of some sort...and the lack of reports of negotiations make me think he is demanding far too much now. Something is off about the entire situation...

Wildcard


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:06 pm EST

Saw this on Twitter-Artemi Panarin heads off the ice, unable to put weight on his right leg.

tlats


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:55 pm EST

We sign our savior Hayes for 7mm and you guys will be bitching byNovember he sucks, never checks anyone, too fancy, Lazy Hazy ( nickname I heard on the wall many times. Ain’t no Gretzky n this roster

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:45 pm EST

Puck hayes would have signed according to rumors 5 for $5.5, but fishpie didn’t want to .

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:42 pm EST

How could so many forget sather claims he had stamkos, then they reneged on him ...

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:27 pm EST

tdchi my sentiments exactly. Who the hell are you getting Zucc and/or Hayes?! If it’s draft picks were screwed for ever. How old Libor doing? Namestnikov? Christ we think Howden is an answer for something......

Melvillefred


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:22 pm EST

A good 7 minutes..then bam..too much watching..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:09 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/losses-havent-kept-rangers-from-winning-on-trade-pieces/

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:04 pm EST

TD, we are like 21sr in the league- our guys are not that good, look at it objectively. A rebuild is what it is, we came up short on a Cup and that’s it. Zbad and Kreider not going anywhere, just ufa Hayes. If he wanted to stay, he should have signed a deal last summer, he wants the $$$ and deserves to go for it, but the Rangers aren’t to blame for wanting value for an asset that is most likely leavings this summer. It’s business- not personal ( Michael Corleone)

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:56 pm EST

So for the people who would like Gorton to sign Hayes instead of trading him....what would you consider a good contract?

RDW


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:56 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/02/the-alluring-kevin-hayes-deal-rangers-should-avoid/

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:26 pm EST

PUCKYOU - Yeah, I hear that also...In the best of all worlds, I would love if the Rangers could either extend Hayes now or make the decision that his salary requirements dont fit ito their master plan and trade him and forget him..None of the gray area in between..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:20 pm EST

OK...so the Rangers haven't had a top center since RICHARDS...and now we have two: HAYES and Z...and I can't blink once without seeing a new post or Tweet about how we should trade one, the other or both. I really don't fucking get Ranger fans. I just don't...Ya know the other thing I don't get? Why we need to trade ZUCC, HAYES, and every other player who has been with the team for more than six months...for these wonderful picks...Trading guys for picks is like playing the lottery. You figure if you're GM/scouts are seriously on the ball, you'll convert one out of every three picks into an NHLer...and you probably have a one in 10 chance of drafting a top 6/pairing player...and a one-in-20 chance of grabbing a star. So we trade Zucc, Hayes and Kreider for 10 picks...chances that we get a player to replace even one of them? Not good. Laws of averages and probability seriously elude fans and I guess I simply don't get it. I'd keep all three if given the choice.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:18 pm EST

Hospo- I hear you. But the cautionary tale of Garth Snow makes the NASH package look like a gold mine in comparison to the JT goose egg. I actually know Hayes through a buddy, and like the guy, but I’m sure someone may throw stupid money at him, and in that case, he has a decision to make, and that bs about wanting to stay will go out the window fast. Remember Cally? I don’t regret losing his contract ( I do regret the 2 number 1 picks for Marty!). I don’t regret JT Millers deal, at least not yet. Sometimes we have to part ways.

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:01 pm EST

RHET - The only Cup that Sather helped the Rangers win was the 94 Cup becasue he was abused by Smith in the Messier, Beuke, and Graves/Mallete transactions...And for the assist on the McT and Tikanen deals in which Smith provided Kennaan with exactly what he wanted.......Puckyou - I dont know..Sports is nothing but business now and hand shakes dont go very far when agents are involved..I wouldnt trust a pre-arranged wink and a hand shake..

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:56 pm EST

My point is, re: Hayes & Zucc, if they truly want to play here, all the Rangers have to do is shake their hand and say, we need to do this (trade for now) to build a better tam for you to sign with July 1. In the meantime, play 20 games for a cup contender while we finish the season, we’ll call you with a good offer 7/1. Look at the package we got for NASH, and had he been healthy, we might have resigned him.

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:44 pm EST

Bob/Hospo... I chuckle when I think back to the days when Sather was GM of the OILERS and he said he'd win the cup every year if he had the NYR's money.... 20 years and waiting Slats, 20 years and waiting.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:36 pm EST

Bob - Sucks how Smith hs been blackballed for being critical of ownership and the Sakic thing..but..hs accomplishment of winning the CUp in NY, in hindsight, is one of best single season accomplshments.roster modification in the NHL

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:08 pm EST

NEWFIE—He has not been allowed back since he was whacked because he made statements about how he was pushed to sign free agents and get playoff gates. He said he would have preferred to build through the draft. You know how Dolan treats people who are critical. Sather trashed Smith when he took over. Then he proceeded to do the same thing.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:51 pm EST

Hospo: I have no argument other than to add that it all depends on the return.

E


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:43 pm EST

Bob....my God, I hope he is there, there would be no Stanley Cup in NY without him......PERIOD !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:09 pm EST

NCRanger...I have DirectTv and the Center Ice package...Problem with this one is NBC is televising two games and regionally I am stuck with Wild/Hawks....Not on MSG or anywhere else...

PJ


Sat Feb 2 2019 3:47 pm EST

PJ - I'm blacked out to in Louisville even though the game is televised on MN. This sucks and so does Spectrum Center Ice btw. Direc TV Center ice so much better. I only get SD on top of that all. It's like watching SD hockey in 1990. Spectrum sucks as much as Potvin!

NCRanger


Sat Feb 2 2019 2:52 pm EST

Thanks Fred...Will try MSG GO.....With all the bitching I do I am still in a panic if I can't see a game....Was surprised the NBC coverage is regional between two games....

PJ


Sat Feb 2 2019 2:33 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re a genius, unlike sather. They have to trade their ufas and get picks and prospects. While hoping to resign them or other ufas July 1 st , since they don’t really have replacements . Fishpie is an ass-et manager. He’s praying the mighty Quinney can make something out of the misfits he will keep supplying him with. It might be a reinterpretation of the miracle on 34th Street. Unless 1994 doesn’t last a lifetime. Right now he’s the guy jumping from the Empire State Building, as he gets to the 50th floor he says so far so good.

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 2:21 pm EST

Wonder if Neil Smith will be at the 25th Anniversary celebration on Friday night.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 2:11 pm EST

Glen Sather has won nothing coming up on thirty years, why does this man still have a job? I would contend it's only because he and James Dolan are buddy's and drink scotch and smoke stogies together. It's a pattern with Dolan, see also Isiah Thomas ....RF4L... You will never convince me that Sather ever had a plan. His philosophy is to throw shit up against a wall and to see what sticks. Bad drafting and bad free agent signings far outweighed the good. The closest thing we ever had to that #1 center was a few years of Brad Richards in his later years. When he wasn't able to carry a team like he used to. We were just constantly patching holes.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 1:49 pm EST

Gents, it's time to pay the piper for all the picks frittered away over the years. One way I see this expense IS that we must trade Hayes, Zucc, McQ, for picks and or prospects, "And Then" we may have to overpay them to bring them back. That would say, "guys we want you back, but we're running a business here, and we're in the business to win."

mf


Sat Feb 2 2019 1:25 pm EST

I put a lot of weight on Zucc saying he wants to stay. I don’t on Hayes saying that, simply because most players say that. It is the politically correct thing to say as you approach UFA status. Panarin and Karlsson were different matters in that they did not want to stay with smaller market teams, if the Ottawa owner were not a goofball, Karlsson might have played there his entire career. If Hayes is allowed to go to UFA by the Rangers, I am betting he does not re-sign in NY. He almost assuredly ends up in Boston. I do see Zucc going, then returning next season. That is fine with me. The Rangers don’t have any better options for the next few years.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 1:07 pm EST

Marincin (TOR) on waivers

tlats


Sat Feb 2 2019 1:06 pm EST

Vic what I would do versus what you would do versus what fishpie is doing? Please let me know what he’s is doing. Because that’s the only one that will happen. He has plans A to Z with excuses 1-26 at his disposal. My version is building your farm system with good prospects. I want to see Hartford be a real contender first . The nhl roster is the tougher one to juggle because of the cap crap. In a perfect world you would trade ufas Hayes, zucchini, mcquaid et al for picks and prospects, and resign them July 1 st . Accomplishing that is another story with flexibility. They seem to be hell bent on rushing most kids , and that will probably continue. Filling the spots of whoever gets traded now and next season will probably be with lesser talented guys which is something I’m not looking forward to. ... the nyr business marketing plan probably doesn’t want a cup until 3-5 years if that. After that happens, many season ticket holders will probably say goodbye without a dynasty team , which are so far a thing of the past. The playpens have been the closest recently. ... let your frustrations flow... ny frustrangers ...

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:54 pm EST

E - Again, I still think that is way under-estimating him...which leads to our other disagreement! :)...I also otally disagree that HAYES at 5-6 per is a bad buy for the Rangers...I thimnk that would be a damn good buy no matter where "they are"..which I really wont know where that is, opinions be damned, until after the deadline and JUly 1....He is one of their 3 best forwards (to say the least) and would contimue to be and They will have no problem fitting that salary in the future..The ony reason it doesnt make sense is if they dont want to compete until 5 years down the road..If that's the cass, just trade him and everybody and have fun with the kids.

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:50 pm EST

HOSPO: I just see Hayes as a flex player who fits in nicely on a 2nd-3rd line (on a deep team.) he does a lot of things well. He’s a good trade piece. As I’ve stated frequently, I think he’s a late bloomer and he’s gonna get even better. He just shows incremental growth every season. If I had a team that was deep enough to rent him as a 3rd line center? That means I’m pushing all my chips and running for the cup.

E


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:49 pm EST

HOSPO....your post was a sober reminder that this is the RANGERS franchise we’re talking about.....so multiple cups say in a 10 year period?! Ok you got me. And you’re right all the Tumblers in the Universe clicked into place for one brief moment in ‘94.....oh well......

Melvillefred


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:43 pm EST

E - I think you way underestimate Hayes if you think of him as a 2-3 center...Not with his all around abilities (only knocks are some think he's a little slow (I think it's more his style) and he passes too much)..Eaasily a good #2 center...............And the weay he has improved over the last year in every aspect of his game, teams would be fools to even consider his borther as part of the equation.....I too dont see HAYES as a real good fit for BOSTON--but they may have other ideas than an idiot fan like me...KREIDER, OTOH ,would be PERFECT and a big HELL NO from me!

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:42 pm EST

I don’t care where they’re sending Hayes. I only care about what they’ll get for him. I prefer getting young immediate (or soon to be ready) help. I’d like another 1 rounder as well. I’m sorry about MZA. I know he wants to stay but for the business of the franchise he’s gotta get me some returns. Again, I’d like an established NHL player of young age. As was pointed out a while back by Garrioch (questionable source) Bennett was available in Calgary. A guy who has upside but probably needs a new home to regain his development footing. Just hasn’t been what they thought he could be. And in the off-season I’d expect the New York Rangers to have a decent chance to bring MZA back home. And then you’ll see if it’s about location or the money. Hayes I think I’d you were to send to Boston to play in his hometown? Yeah, I don’t think you’re gonna see him again. In fact, I don’t think you’ll see him again wherever he goes. Someone is going to offer him 5-6 in the off-season. No thank you. Not a good buy at this time and where the New York Rangers currently are. I just want to see them steady as they go. Finish out this purge. Strip out all the players who can’t be part of the long term plan and let’s see everything move forward. Here is to hoping for what is beyond rational. A post deadline where Smith, Staal, Hayes, MZA, McQuad etc... all yield returns and this team can begin to look to its future. Find the right UFA’s to sprinkle the lineup and grow out this young team. Enter the draft with 7 of the first 10 first round picks. Sure... why not???

E


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:40 pm EST

PJ......try MSG Go or if possible set up a slingbox at a friends who has Optimum.

Melvillefred


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:37 pm EST

TD...Agree, any deal for Kreider will need to return a Kings ransom...That said doubt he is moved....

PJ


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:30 pm EST

Jimmy is waiver fodder and Kevin is a reliable 2-3 center.

E


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:22 pm EST

schneidw - Part of me feels one of the reasons so many fans...and the Blueshirt Bulletin boobs...are ready to wave goodbye to Kevin HAYES is that they see the precipitous decline his brother had in Boston and they somehow think Kevin is gonna land in that same spot in a couple years. It's all hogwash of course...two very different players...As for the B's, I don't think Jimmy's failure will factor in...it's pure dynamics for them...if they're going to trade their first rounder, it's gotta be for someone who is going to address an immediate concern. And that's gotta be a winger. It's the one real systemic weakness.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:17 pm EST

re: MZA - I just don't think he'd be a good winger for KREJCI...think they really want a guy who can snipe...ZUCC scores goals, but he's really a playmaker more than anything. Likes to hold the puck. It's one of the reasons I think he and ZIBANEJAD and KREIDER work so well...because Z goes either way, but I think is more effective when he's the shooter...and Kreider, there's no question he's a shooter...Krejci likes to dish...and like I said, that was a major impetus for them to overpay for NASH...they thought he would finally give them two formidable top lines.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:14 pm EST

RF4L - I'm not sure any team is going to trade with PANARIN without some serious assurances that they're going to be able to resign him. That's why I think the Florida trade is interesting...because PANARIN was rumored to be interested in landing in New York or Florida once he hits free agency...I'm not sure there's going to be a huge difference between the market for Kreids and Panarin, simply because I don't think the Rangers have any interest in trading Kreids and I would be very surprised if they do. The deal would need to be too good to be true...We're talking like the GOMEZ deal only better.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:04 pm EST

Puckyou - I think there's a HUGE difference between what happened with TAVARES and what's going down with ZUCC and HAYES...for Tavares, there was an ominous silence from him that extended throughout his entire contract year. Come to find out, the guy had his heart set on going to Toronto. But I think the Leafs showing interest was simply window dressing on his larger decision. He committed NINE YEARS to that franchise, during which he played for significantly less money than he was worth(five years at $5.5 million). And part of his decision to do that was to give the Islanders the latitude to build him a team. Instead, they pinched pennies, never landed a goaltender worth a shit and basically did nothing outside of amass draft picks to build a contender...and to add insult to injury, there was the whole ludicrous arena situation...The Islanders had every chance in the world to work with Barclays and build a state-of-the-art hockey arena. Yet the hemmed and hawed...put together a package to rehab the Mausoleum that voters shot down...and ended up in what could only be described as THE worst NHL arena in Brooklyn...and were almost homeless, were it not for New York State bailing them out with the new stadium in Elmont...Tavares gave them nine years to work that shit out...and the Islanders being the stupid jerkoffs they are didn't start working on it until after they missed the playoffs last season...Just to contrast this...in ZUCC and HAYES, you have two players who have gone out of their way to say how much they love NYC. And we're not talking solicited comments either. We're talking two guys who are putting their feelings out there even before the media starts asking about contracts. Hell, poor Zucc went into an emotional funk for half this season over the prospect of leaving...and Hayes...man, he's playing like a guy who REALLY wants to stay. Just driven. I think if the Rangers offered fair market contracts for both, they'd sign tomorrow. I don't think either has a stomach for free agency. And if they do, they sure as shit are putting on a good act...and if the case is that both just want to stay Rangers...what is the issue with keeping them? The Rangers will not have cap issues from now into the foreseeable future...why not keep two guys who are committed to the team...at least one of whom is a great role model...and who are clearly top six players?

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:02 pm EST

BTW, Kreider should cost more than Panarin because the latter is a pure rental while you get at least 2 PO runs with the former.

rF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:01 pm EST

TD: Valid point - if so, the Bruins should be looking at MZA...

rF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:00 pm EST

Rhet: Sather tried to build a winner, too. Alas, his ability to do so is lacking. Hired in 2000, we're talking about nearly 30 years of trying and take away the final appearance (that was predicated on MSL's mom abruptly passing) and what's he done? Four to five years of icing a competitive but ultimately flawed team that was preceded by over 20 years of bad decisions across the board. I've said it before and I'll say it again: His biggest accomplishment since coming to the Rangers was getting the owner to give him a 'job for life'. I sure hope Gorton has autotomany but I don't actually believe that...

rF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:44 am EST

BOB - It's just wait and see time with HAYES..and what you say makes sense if they deal him...BUt, they wont just need one wing, they will need three becasue KREIDER would be the only one to even merit consideration for top 6 wing...the rest are (or should be) 3rd line-4th line-AHLers

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:44 am EST

What is this bullshit?...The NBC coverage here is showing Wild and Blackhawks...Dammit.......

PJ


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:38 am EST

RF4L - I strongly doubt that, but who knows. Like I said, the Bruins' problem ain't that they're weak up the middle. It's that they don't have a good winger to pair with KREJCI. ...You swap Krejci with HAYES and let the latter play second line...well...you have the same problem. The B's were really depending on DeBRUSK or DONATO or HEINEN or even Anders BJORK to step up...they even overpaid for NASH last season under the pretense that all they needed to do was get through one more post-season before one of those guys would take a top-6 winger position...and that was the role that BACKES was originally signed for and he turned out to be a third-liner.and needless to say, that didn't happen...So if we're looking at what the B's are going to go after, you better believe it's going to be a winger...Ask me? They're going to sniff hard around PANARIN and weigh what the Jackets are asking...they have the assets to get a player like that without mortgaging the future...and with $17 million in cap this summer, they have the cash to sign him...The other guy I suspect they're going to go hard after is Mark STONE...I know the rumors have been for Ryan DZINGEL...but STONE is really a Bruins-type player...I suppose ZUCC would strike their fancy too, but if I'm Bruce Cassidy, I'd have some reservations with putting a playmaker wing on with a playmaker center like Krejci...so long and the short is that if the Rangers want to dance with the Bruins, that conversation I don't see involving Hayes. KREIDER, OTOH...if the cost to get PANARIN and STONE is off the charts, I could see Sweeney asking about Kreider...again...a quintessential Boston player. Hayes not so much.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:38 am EST

BRUINS- Boston already had a run and acrimonious departure with Kevin Hayes' brother... not sure if there is bad blood.... just pointing that out PLUS the fact NYRs got the better of the Nash deal last year.. just dont see Boston as a good trading partner..

schneidw


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:35 am EST

Just say no to callahan

topovski


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:33 am EST

We all know what opinions are like. Hayes made big strides last season, and if the Rangers really wanted to keep him around I have to believe they would have extended him over the Summer. IMO, they have decided to move on from Hayes. The question will be what they get for him. It looks like they want to go Zibanejad, Chytil, Howden and Andersson (or Boo) down the middle. If they do that, they need a winger to replace Chytil and one to replace Zucc unless they re-sign Zucc as a free agent.

Bob


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:18 am EST

Vic - Not worried in the least about losing HAYES for nothing. The guy wants to stay in New York. The only way they do lose him for nothing is if they walk away from him...I also don't think much about there being no word on contract negotiations. He's said numerous times that he lets his agent handle those matters...Is this just a platitude? Maybe. But if you get into that kind of business mid-season, you end up with the shitshow that's going down in Columbus...Also, I'll point out that Hayes isn't alone in being a pending UFA with little talk of a contract is KARLSSON...I can't prognosticate what the Rangers will do...My personal feeling is that if they get blown away with an offer, they'll move him...if you're asking what I would do...I'm of the mind that when you have a top-six player like HAYES and you don't have any outside pressure to move him(i.e. cap constraints), you do everything in your power to keep him...For once, the Rangers are looking pretty good up the middle. I've tried to envision a return for HAYES that would really make it worth our while and I just can't. It was one thing when the guy just 'had potential'...but now that he's become what some, including yourself, thought he'd be come...there's no reason to move him. The prospects and picks you get back will almost never equal the player you trade away.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 11:15 am EST

SMITH at least tried to build a multi-year contender, he attempted to deal for LINDROS before the cup and steal SAKIC after winning the cup. At least he tried ...I have no idea what SATHER was trying to accomplish during his tenure.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:58 am EST

LIMBO - Totally agree on what happend or should have happened AFTER the CUp..Rangers got way too greedy!........PUCKYYOU - I hear you bout other possible avaialble players maybe hindering the Rangers in their trade efforts..maybe for some of the guys the Ragers are looking to get rid of.......BUT ..Teams will look for HAYES if they need a big all around mostly play making 2nd center (not a Panarin) .and ZUC provides a highly skilled well rounded very good passing winger (i.e. not a Simmonds)..and MCQ a very physical solid defense first 3rd pair D-man..I'm not saying I want them to deal all of them of if the return will be worth it, but I think the Rangers will have no problem getting a decnt return on all three...Ditto if they wanted to trade a Krieder of Skjei....

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:51 am EST

Limbo...ahmen to that brother...other than more like 20 years 15 of which were/are under Nob for Life's watch...

RF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:48 am EST

Thanks, TD!

Ranger47


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:44 am EST

I would take CALLAHAN in a New York second. Is he overpaid? Yes. Is he on the downside of his career? Yes. But he's got a lot of what the Rangers REALLY need right now: Perfect bottom-line player who can chip in with the offense. A fearless forechecker who has great possession metrics for a fourth liner. And above all, a great PKer. Then you can get into the intangibles...He's a leader who leads by example. Always giving 110 percent. Tell you what, Tampa wouldn't have to give me much to take Cally's contract off their hands. But unless they've got something bonkers in mind at the deadline...say get someone like PANARIN...I really can't see them moving him. There's not much the Lightning need, TBH. Maybe in the off-season, but I don't see it happening at the deadline.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:44 am EST

Ah...the trade deadline can't get here fast enough..the same keyboard diareah from all of us on what we want or expect..C'mon GORDO help us out with some immodium moves!..The one thing i found interesting in this morning's posts was the mention of CALLAHAN..Now that would be funny!..OTOH, I thought he was the exact type of player the Rangers needed to get this past off season (and Gordo didnt!) and stil do....but..it would have to be a really good prospect and a significan money off-set (or Brendan Snith!) along to help them out with somebdy else....Dont see it..but one can hope.

Hospo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:41 am EST

Hospo - completely agree re:94 cup trades. We rightly should have sold the entire team for a cup. The org NEEDED that monkey off the back. And it worked. But here’s the thing, we had house money after the cup. We should have recalibrated and built with youth and talent to get a team that could compete for years for for multiple cups. But the brain trust, first Smith then Slats, doubled down on stupid for about 10 years. What a monumental waste of time.

Limbo


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:39 am EST

The major hurdle for Gorton to overcome this deadline is some of the other pieces in play around the league. Panarin, Duchene, Simmonds are all in play, diluting the market - similar to last year with Karlsson & MCD going down to the wire. Interesting to see Pens make an early move yesterday.

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:28 am EST

STEVIE: I really don't understand you. You squeal like a stuck pig anytime anyone suggests trading away veterans (even guys on expiring contracts) or rebuilding the organization through the draft. Yet you offer no ideas or solutions as to how they go from where they are today (a team that sucks with an aging star goaltender and very little talent) to a team that can compete for a Cup. You seem to have the expectation that the Rangers should be able to do that in 2 to 3 years but you never mention just how that is going to magically happen. Especially considering the players that you seem to think are so critical to that (i.e. HAYES, MZA, KREIDER, etc.) aren't even able to get this team into the playoffs now. How are they going to be the guys that carry this team to a Cup challenge in 2 or 3 years? Are they going to get better? Is MZA going to be a better player at 34 then he is now? Is HANK going to be a better goaltender at 40 then his now? Are HAYES and KREIDER going to be trending up at 30 and 31 respectively? Or you are you counting on the CHEETOS, HOWDEN, BUCH, VESEY, ANDERSSON, etc. to be the core of the new Cup challenging team? Because if you are counting on those guys to carry the Rangers to the next Cup I think you are going to be very disappointed. So please.....enlighten the ignorant fools like me on how this team goes from where they are today to competing for a Cup without "tanking" as you call it (or drafting in the top 3 to be more clear)? How are they supposed to do this in 2 to 3 years?????

Vic


Sat Feb 2 2019 10:25 am EST

Hayes is a good player, top 6 forward, not a top 3. Zuccarello is an excellent passer/playmaker who can play with anybody. I think in this moment in time they can help the NYR more by bringing back assets at or near the deadline than finishing the season with us and missing the playoffs. Then, as many have stated, they can revisit contract talks on July 1st if either or both have interest in signing here. Let’s face it, this team isn’t going anywhere this season, and every GM in the league saw what happened with J.T. last year and Garth Snow. The fact that Zucc has 12 points in 6 games only helps his value- sell high, possibility buy back in July, depending on what happens.

Puckyou


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:48 am EST

I’m fairly sure there was a mention of fishpie meeting with Hayes agent . But until he’s resigned or officially traded , let the speculation continue. The more they trade away nhl players for picks , the longer this process will take. It will take on a name of its own called fishpie in the sky ing syndrome , with an addicting picking rebuilding thinking acting singing meaning.

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:18 am EST

TD: Hayes would likely push soon to be 33 years old KREJCI to the 3rd line...

rF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:17 am EST

TD: You know that I've been probably HAYES biggest supporter (and probably the only one) here since the preseason of his rookie year. I always believed that he had the chance to become what he eventually has become. The only other person here that posted regularly about what HAYES had the chance to become was E. Everyone else wanted him jettisoned a month into his second season. So when I say this you have to understand that I like the guy's game. I would have preferred that the growth in his game over the last 12 months or so would have come two years earlier. The Rangers could have locked him up long term then and none of this would be an issue. But it didn't. And last summer the Rangers had a choice to make. Lock HAYES up long term prior to the start of the season, or trade him at the deadline. As soon as they signed that one year deal I posted here that HAYES was done as a Ranger. That no matter how things played out for him this season (positively or negatively) he was going to be dealt at the deadline unless he got injured (which I was very afraid would happen and still am). If he had a great season he was going to price himself out of a contract with the Rangers (which has happened). If he had a poor season the Rangers were going to get rid of him at the deadline for whatever they could get. If he had a mediocre season they were going to get rid of him because they would have looked at the success last year as an aberration and would have had CHEETOS slotted to take his place next year. So as much as I agree with you about what HAYES has become the reality is that the Rangers aren't even negotiating with him right now. They haven't even said publicly that they are interested in negotiating with him to make it look like they want to keep him when they really don't. So if they don't trade him by the deadline then all of that value that you so accurately described walks away. It isn't here next year anyway. So they better trade him now while they can and at least capitalize on the fact that they have a very good player that can help other teams this year and that they can get a good to excellent return on depending on who they are trading with and what the full deal looks like. HAYES has to be traded. To lose him for nothing in July is unthinkable......

Vic


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:16 am EST

Rhet: That's a head scratching article - no mention of Kratsov or Miller in the list of the Rangers top prospects. No mention of the Russian goalie either? WTF...

rF4l


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:14 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Vitali Kravtsov is one of eight players in KHL history who have recorded 20 or more points in a season when younger than 20 years old (Kaprizov, Kuznetsov, Tolvanen, Buchnevich, Tarasenko, Filatov, and Panarin).

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 9:07 am EST

Interesting ....NHL 19: New York Rangers Player Ratings, Roster & Top Prospects.... https://realsport101.com/news/sports/nhl/nhl-19-new-york-rangers-player-ratings-roster-top-prospects/

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:44 am EST

Cam Robinson's #2019 NHL Draft Rankings (Top 100) - February 2019 @DobberProspects... https://dobberprospects.com/cam-robinsons-2019-nhl-draft-rankings-top-100-february-2019/

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:35 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Vitali Kravtsov has recorded an assist today in addition to his goal. He has registered 20 points (seven goals, 13 assists) this season. His 13 assists are tied for the eighth-most by a KHL player younger than 20 years old in a single season in the league's history.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 8:19 am EST

There would be some satisfaction to have Ryan Callahan on the bench of a team not making the playoffs while watching his former team trying to win a Stanley Cup.... of course that's only if we got a Top Prospect and a high pick back, otherwise....hard pass.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:58 am EST

Oh joy bring back Callahan,trade Hayes zucchini etc... how about miller parmenter stralman too... they can just switch locker rooms before or after the game today...

Stevielegs


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:56 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ....#NYR prospect Vitali Kravtsov has tallied a goal in the first period of Traktor's game today.... Kravtsov leads all KHL players younger than 20 years old in goals (seven), assists (12), and points (19) this season. His 19 points thus far in 2018-19 are tied for the 10th-most by a KHL player younger than 20 years old in a single season in the league's history.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:40 am EST

David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod Following Following @TheFourthPeriod More Tampa's been linked to having interest in some very interesting names recently. If they make a splash ahead of the trade deadline, moving Ryan Callahan & his $5.8M cap hit might be re-examined... Last off-season, the Lightning has discussed trading veteran forward "Ryan Callahan to the New York Rangers and New Jersey Devils, multiple sources informed TFP at the time. Both the Rangers and Devils were interested in taking on Callahan’s $5.8 million salary cap hit if the Lightning provided an incentive to do so. It’s believed both the Rangers and Devils would be willing to re-examine that possibility once again." .... https://www.thefourthperiod.com/feb-2019/could-the-bolts-move-callahan

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 7:35 am EST

#NYR INJURY UPDATE: Freddy Claesson started skating Thursday and is probably 7-10 days away from a return.... PER NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo.... #NYR prospect K’Andre Miller recorded a primary assist in the second period of Wisconsin’s game tonight. He has tallied 21 points (five goals, 16 assists) in 23 games thus far this season.... #NYR prospect Morgan Barron has tallied two goals in Cornell’s game tonight. He has posted a multi-point game in seven of the last eight games.

Rhet0ric


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:28 am EST

re: the Bruins - I really don't see HAYES as a good fit there. He'd be back to where he was two seasons ago with the Rangers, which is third-line center...and that's great and all...but that's underemployment bigtime...Hazy has shown without a shadow of a doubt that he's a top-six center. There's simply no question about it any more...And this is coming from someone who absolutely LOATHED the Rangers cultivating him as a center...He's there. His faceoffs have improved to the point where he's usually 50/50 at least...his possession metrics are well above average...and then you watch him in a game...I mean, there are really only five players who stand from game to game...HANK, of course...then KREIDER, ZUCC, ZIBANEJAD and HAYES...but I digress...On the Bruins, he'd be behind KREJCI and BERGERON...He'd be a big upgrade over what they have there now...but what they REALLY need is a winger who can pot goals who CASSIDY trusts to play alongside KREJCI...There were a lot of rumors a couple days ago that they'd go hard after PANARIN...and I don't doubt that at all...DZINGEL would be another stop-gap...my read is that if there is anyone on the Rangers they REALLY want, it's probably Chris KREIDER. He would have the biggest impact on that team...but TBH? I don't see the Rangers trading either Hayes or Kreider in the division. I could be wrong, but that's the sort of trade that will come back to haunt you...ESPECIALLY with both playing the way they've been playing...I mean, let's get real for a second: We've waited HOW LONG for these guys to have seasons like they're having?! How many times have we been saying "if only..." with KREIDER? Now the guy's on a pace for 40-something goals and we're going to trade him?! Ditto with HAYES...man, I can't even recall how many times I wanted to kick this guy to the curb because he simply didn't get it...Now he's 14 points away from his CAREER HIGH in points...pretty much on a point-per-game pace...and we're going to move him?! For what?!? PICKS?! PROSPECTS?!? Good lord...I mean, I hold the Bruins system in high regard...they've got a lot of nice pieces...but let's get something straight: DONATO and FREDERIC aren't going anywhere. And I doubt they move their first rounder either...I love STUDNICKA and FORSBACKA-KARLSSON(see: QUINN acolyte)...Brandon CARLO is another...Love Anders BJORK too...but when I step back and look at these guys...do I see any of them being what the likes of KREIDER and HAYES are today? NOPE. Not in the least. And that's the big difference between this year and last year, IMO...with exception to the McDONAGH deal...which had it's own unique dynamic...all the players we moved were guys I saw on the downside of their career...I can say this positively and without a doubt: HAYES and KREIDER are NOT on the downside of their careers...Rather, they're hitting their stride. What you see today is what you're going to get for the next three years AT LEAST. You trade that away and shame on you.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 5:00 am EST

Hospo - I'm not going to say the Rangers are in the top five, but most certainly in or around the top 10 in the NHL in prospects. The grass is always greener on the other side...what folks usually don't do when they look at other teams is draw a line for guys that jump right into the NHL...you take a team like Buffalo. Take away DAHLIN and future former hall-of-famer Casey MITTELSTADT and who do they have in their system? A few nice pieces here and there...but not exactly guys that will wow you...Right now, the Rangers are absolutely LOADED with defensive prospects...they have one of the top winger prospects not in the NHL...they have THE top goaltending prospect not in the NHL...I won't say they're loaded...but after this draft? In four short months, I feel confident in saying they'll have another top-10 pick, another first rounder, a second rounder and whoever they get in the deadline...Yeah. It's safe to say they'll be loaded by next year.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:49 am EST

Hellskitchen - The Pack have earned the bagging...but contrary to popular belief, they have sent a steady stream of players to the Rangers. This year's Pack alumnus include: ZUCC, KREIDER, SKJEI, PIONK, CHYTIL, FAST, NIEVES, and GEORGIEV, with a footnote for DeANGELO, who skated a couple dozen games with them. Other Pack alumnus include McDONAGH, GIRARDI, MILLER, LINDBERG, HAGELIN, CALLAHAN...the list goes on...they're graduating players...it's just the team can't seem to string together any sort of cohesion...this year's club is young and inexperience...and I suspect that's their real problem.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:41 am EST

E - I wanted JOST too...but he just went down with an injury...outside of him, I don't think there's much in Colorado that they'd shed or that I'd want. The Sens pick is untouchable, as is MAKAR. AJ GREER is having a pretty decent season...he's a former QUINN acolyte from BU...not really interested in TIMMINS...I don't mind ZADOROV, but he's a player I could see becoming an absolute pylon in a few years...in short, they ain't the partner I'd want the Rangers dancing with right now.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 4:33 am EST

Ranger47/Wildcard - I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly or not, but I believe that happens all the time: The conditional pick. Most recent one I can recall is Evander KANE to San Jose. If he left via free agency, the first rounder became a second rounder. The Rangers got a similar pick in the YANDLE deal with Florida, only on stricter terms: A sixth and a fourth rounder if he signed...only the sixth if he didn't...just to go down the rabbit hole on the YANDLE deal for a sec...he DID resign with the Kitties...so the Rangers got that fourth and wheeled it over to San Jose for a later fourth and a sixth in 2017...so the ended up with a two sixths and a fourth for YANDLE...with those picks, the grabbed Hartford blueliner Brandon CRAWLEY with the fourth, UMass standout goalie Tyler WALL with the 2016 sixth and Cornell center/winger and ECAC player of the week Morgan BARRON with the 2017 sixth...which right now, is looking like a pretty nice fetch for the negotiating right on a guy that had both feet out the door when the season was done...All three are still considered longshots for being anything short of role players/AHLers....but BARRON is sure looking like a diamond in the rough...and WALL too, is having a phenomenal season. Strange how these trades shake out.

tdchi


Sat Feb 2 2019 12:18 am EST

FRED - I think the conjecture is on the other skate! We won the CUp by the skin of our teeth and it took every player obtained...The conjecture is that we might have won it and other Cups without the deals...Now, be honest, after being a Ranger fan for so long, do you actually believe this organization could win another Cup or Multiple CUps or ever win a cup again?..something went major wrong (or right!) in the cosmos in Mar-June of 1994 and the Rangers somehow stole the one Cup that NY will ever see before order was restored in the Universe..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:53 pm EST

HOSPO old buddy, that is pure conjecture on your part. You have no idea how things would have worked out.

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:47 pm EST

Ilya...lol...why so.angry??? Lolol

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:36 pm EST

If we deal Hayes and Kreider we’ll get nothing, we won’t be able to trade anyone at next years TD bc we’ll have no vets because no FA would want to sign with us , the only player we’ll have is Ziba that’s it Hank will not wave his NTC Staal will bring nothing back. Not a single player would be worth of trading a high pick for!!

Ilya


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:26 pm EST

MelvilleFred - Not a chance in the world do we win the Cup without all the trades..Amonte, Gartner, Weight..dont regret trading them one iota..Old arguement i guess...ILYA - Hey, just trying to be quasi-optimistic instead of quasimodo for once and that's what i get! :)

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:18 pm EST

Hospo, All those players you mentioned are future hall of famers just like pavel the rocket brendl jammie lundmark and manny the saint malhotra christian dube!!

Ilya


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:18 pm EST

Schneidw.....Never got over that one as well......then we had Doug Weight and lest I forget Tony Amonte.....I know we got Matheau but if we keep these guys and Zubow, Gärtner we probably win in 1994 and a couple more.

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:03 pm EST

Hells - I'm not a prospect hound like some on here but it indeed seems like, with apologies to Hajak/Lindgren/Andersson, the cupboard is pretty bare in Hartford......but... I guess the hopes right now are mainly outsside the AHL with Chytl, Howden, Krapshot, K'Andre Miller and the Russian Kid Goalie..maybe a surpise college kid like Barron and maybe from somewhere else... In total, not a bare system..but..well..I'm out of my comfort zone..:).....

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:57 pm EST

RF4l - Hah, the same rerspone I always gave!

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:48 pm EST

Hospo...lol...my doom and gloom stuff is based on reality! ;^).

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:42 pm EST

I'm not going to get fooled again by the Woflpack. Every year I look at who gets sent there from Ranger training camp and expect them to be better. Every year they still suck. They also don't develop anyone for the NHL. The cupboard is bare and will be that way for a few more years.

HellsKitchen


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:24 pm EST

RF4L - For somebody that gives doom and gloomers grief, you sure do seem to revel in the crappiness of the Pack! :) But..it sure seems like there aint much down there that will make any difference in the near term...maybe LIndgren and Hajak in a few years..and Andersson as a complimentry player

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:14 pm EST

Shitbox Pack lose again. Lololololol

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:07 pm EST

NYR Trades: Just figures the trade market is going to be flooded with great players... returns are going to be lame...

schneidw


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:05 pm EST

Melville Fred: Rick Middleton trade has to be the absolute biggest disaster... more recent times, Mattias Nordstrom hurt for years....

schneidw


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:54 pm EST

Boston may indeed be looking at Rangers bit they are also looking elsewhere...This from DREGER..."“Boston is definitely thinking that they’ve got to add up front. They’d like to add a center. If they can’t find that piece, whoever it might be - Matt Duchene, if he’s available - then maybe they look to a right-winger. I think they’ve got interest in Toffoli. My understanding is Boston is going to heavily scout tonight’s Senators-Pittsburgh game, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they make a play on Ryan Dzingel..."...gonna be a wild ride the next three weeks!

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:53 pm EST

BOB: I know Donato is there. I wouldn’t imagine they’d wanna move him. They also have that Frederik kid. I only know him because the Boston announcers were putting some shine on him during a pregame. I also like Colorado where I heard on podcast Zadorov is out there a guy who I want and perhaps Jost could be gotten at the right price.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:39 pm EST

BTW the Leafs acquisition of Muzzin puts more pressure on Boston to do something...

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:38 pm EST

I hope you guys are right..I would help Vesey, Buch and Namesnikov pack their bags...Still want nothing to do with trading HAYES..ANd I just dont want to committ to sucking for at least three-four years

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:22 pm EST

I have always thought the most likely destination for Hayes was Boston. I bet he would re-sign there too. Rangers should be able to get a nice haul from them.....if there is anything worth getting from Boston.

Bob


Fri Feb 1 2019 7:47 pm EST

Ranger47: Never seen that before. The closest I have seen is conditions on both sides. Like if he does resign a 3rd becomes a 1st, if he doesnt the team that sent said player also adds a 4th or something like that. I dont even know if the NHL would approve a trade that had things reduce based on signing or not signing....

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 7:31 pm EST

I'm just curious...we hear about possible trades of pending UFAs where the receiving team has to give the sending team more assets if the traded player resigns with them. Has it ever happened where the sending team RETURNS assets of the player does not resign? For example, if Hayes were traded to the Bruins for a first round pick and prospects with the stipulation if that Hayes does not resign with Boston that the pick becomes a third round pick instead of a first? Don't think I've ever seen that happen...

Ranger47


Fri Feb 1 2019 7:18 pm EST

Wow....OV sitting out his one game for missing the all-Star game...in Cuba with his family....way to go Gary !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:51 pm EST

having said that my first thought was Vesey....

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:50 pm EST

I doubt Kreider is going anywhere...Hayes and Vesey/Name I could believe....

PJ


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:49 pm EST

Re LB's article on Staal. Sounds to me like he'd be open to a trade of course exercising his NMC to avoid going somewhere he doesn't want to. Compare that to the King's firm and consistent words that he's stsying and to me it's even more apparent.

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:49 pm EST

On paper, the Bruins appear to have multiple players in their system who qualify as possible top-six forwards and top-four defenders with high ceilings. That list of players includes Ryan Donato, Urho Vaakanainen, Trent Frederic, Jeremy Lauzon, Jack Studnicka, and Jakob Forsbacka Karlsson.

tradestar28


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:47 pm EST

RF4l: Could be Name as well...or a D...

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:19 pm EST

My guess is the unnamed player is Fast or Vesey...can't see the Bruis affording thw cost of Hayes and Kreider.

RF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:12 pm EST

RHET - with term? Dear God, please do not trade Kreider to BOSTON! He would be a perfect fit for Boston..and i would HATE it..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:03 pm EST

Pierre McGuire just told @HunterZThompson @MitchyGallo and @joeyalfieri on @TSN690 that there is heavy chatter around league that #NHLBruins and #NYR are in serious trade talks. Mentioned Kevin Hayes or an unnamed player with term he couldn’t reveal as B’s targets @BruinsCLNS

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 5:23 pm EST

You don't say?

DREW


Fri Feb 1 2019 4:38 pm EST

Bjugstad and McCann to PIT for Sheahan, Brassard and multiple picks to FLA.

Puckyou


Fri Feb 1 2019 3:51 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/artemi-panarin-is-face-of-nhls-explosive-trade-deadline/

stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 3:15 pm EST

E - yes we are, especially when it comes to PO hockey and what is needed...even a smaller team like the Pens were physically relentless and sacrificing their bodies at all turns..also why I dont get caught up in the ooohs and ahs when we have players excelling on the PP or mostly open ice games..I do when they play a solid two way game......NEWFIE - What rebuild are we talking about? a scorched earth let's get rid of all players we can for prospects, prospects, prospects and compete MAYBE in 5 years or continue rebuilding the young base and keeping our better players and trying to get better quicker?..I dont know what the Rangers are doing yet.....TDCHI - we dont agree on much, but we agree on HAYES

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 3:02 pm EST

HOSPO: I assume that you and I are relatively aligned in philosophy by looking at the WPG, Calgary formula for how to win. Big, skilled, physical and tough to play against. I moved away from the theory of physicality back in the mid decade. When Columbus nearly broke the Pens back in the playoffs proved to me that skill is still the factor but a team that batters you pillar to post can make life miserable. Add in a lot of skill and no one will want to play you. TB made the McD trade precisely because they were too skill heavy.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:50 pm EST

MelvilleFred - there are a lot of folks out there...not just here...that are of the mind that any team that has an average age older than 25 doesn’t stand a chance of winning...and that any player older than 25 is on the downside of his career...and that is ludicrous...I’ve had it out with the Blueshirt Banter bafoons on numerous occasions because they look at a guy’s age and contract status and make wild assumptions...I can’t remember who I was arguing with...maybe Adam Herman? But he basically went on a long and unreasoned tirade about how Kevin HAYES was over the hill and would cost the Rangers in excess of $8 million per over the next seven years. The argument was totally ludicrous. And the only point I was able to talk him away from was Hayes’ contract demands...I got him to agree that he’d “likely” cost less than $7 mill...hypothetically of course...and he STILL thought that a contract like that long-term would be a boondoggle the Rangers would behave to buy out...I said why? Why is Kevin Hayes, who is just hitting his stride, going to be a big failure in three years? His game is all about hands and vision. He’s literally the type of player who will have a long-ass career and be worth every bit of his contract....but there’s no convincing the “youth or die” crew that a bird in hand is worth a fuck of a lot more than two in the bush...I keep having a similar argument with the folks who think ZUCCARELLO is more valuable on another team...they say that, and the. In their VERY NEXT BREATH say that he’ll only get us a second rounder and maybe a B-prospect...MMMMMKAY...so the Rangers trade away their leading scorer over the past four years for...what? And why? Because he’s gonna ask for $5 million per? And then these same folks regale about how the Rangers need all this cap space for these huge contracts they’d going to have on their hands in the near future...the huge contracts for the players that haven’t yet earned them or they haven’t even drafted...this is the logic that’s out there and for me, it’s simply madness. Simple: if you have a good player, you keep him. I understood why McD, STEPAN and to a degree, MILLER were moved...needed to restock...but we’re restocked. And we have a bunch of picks in his year’s draft. You keep your gram. You build on it. Simple.

tdchi


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:46 pm EST

Can we just stop worrying about who is playing with who and how it makes him better ? Can we just start the re-build and go from there. Hayes,Zucc and company …...out the door,really. let's go !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:31 pm EST

Wow. My read on this trade is a lot different...who got the best players? Pittsburgh. BRASSARD is solid still, but he has struggled A LOT recently and is a UFA. Sheahan is nothing more than a bottom-line player. And not even that good if one...McCANN is still young: 22. He may not be a star, but there is still time for him to be a top-six guy...and BJUGSTAD? Love him. Loved him at the draft, and always thought he got sort of the short end of the stick with Florida. He’s a big kid who can use his size. He’s a HUGE add for Pittsburgh, because he’s a guy who can post up and pot rebounds. The down side is that he’s not the swiftest skater, but I have a feeling that won’t be a problem for him in Pittsburgh...good trade by Rutherford...not good for Florida...but I suspect the thinking is correct: they’re prepping up to nab BOBROVSKY and PANARIN in the off-season, if not sooner. I don’t know what the F they would trade to get them, but I suspect that’s the plan.

tdchi


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:31 pm EST

Wow. My read on this trade is a lot different...who got the best players? Pittsburgh. BRASSARD is solid still, but he has struggled A LOT recently and is a UFA. Sheahan is nothing more than a bottom-line player. And not even that good if one...McCANN is still young: 22. He may not be a star, but there is still time for him to be a top-six guy...and BJUGSTAD? Love him. Loved him at the draft, and always thought he got sort of the short end of the stick with Florida. He’s a big kid who can use his size. He’s a HUGE add for Pittsburgh, because he’s a guy who can post up and pot rebounds. The down side is that he’s not the swiftest skater, but I have a feeling that won’t be a problem for him in Pittsburgh...good trade by Rutherford...not good for Florida...but I suspect the thinking is correct: they’re prepping up to nab BOBROVSKY and PANARIN in the off-season, if not sooner. I don’t know what the F they would trade to get them, but I suspect that’s the plan.

tdchi


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:27 pm EST

9&9 is ok too

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:23 pm EST

maybe go with 8 dmen and 10 forwards

tradestar28


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:18 pm EST

Fishpie saves cap space like veenyo saved timeouts. Why sit quickie, let him play hurt since they are still in the playoff hunt. Vescey should be given the buchie treatment, but then the mighty Quinney would be playing 7 d again.

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:17 pm EST

Trade bowels beginning to loosen? Waiting for the big bowl painter to come.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 2:06 pm EST

WILD - Yes, BUCH had some good shifts at the end of the game and that and his talent deserve another shot for now given the non existent options...Maybe he will finally get IT? Who knows...I have always liked BJUGSTAD and expected him to be much more than he is...kinda like BURAKOVSKY on the CAPS (Hey, let's trade MZA for BURAKOVSKY???)...maybe the change in scenery and be with the talented Penns will bring out his best??

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:45 pm EST

HOSPO: I know it’s an “if” but if Buch plays tomorrow like he ended the last game Hayes will be just fine. Fast I think needs to take a seat for a bit....if the break didn’t get him to 100% health wise maybe he has something that will require longer term treatment (I.e. surgery) and this would be the time to do that so he can get back to his highest level by the time next season rolls around.

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:41 pm EST

IMHO Bjugstad falls into the same category as Strome. That is a guy who has never lived up to his draft position but is still a good NHL player in a spot more suited for his abilities at the NHL level. Bjugstad Was asked to do a lot in Florida, he will be asked to do less and relied upon less behind the big guns in PIT....it’s a really good situation for him there. That trade could work out well for PIT and Bjugstad....and if FLA can win the UFA sweepstakes that trade will be a win for them as well.

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:40 pm EST

God the wingers on this team suck...when Hayes was playing with Kreider, ZBAD suffered..now you weigh down with Fast and BUCH?? I'd rather CHYTL and just forget about the other two lines

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:37 pm EST

RDW/RF4L - I have read about FLA's possible interest in the two Russians..could be ..And Tort's is blowing a gasket in CBJ and throwing his players under the bus again (not that they don't deserve it)..We questioned DQ benching BUCH for a 7th D-man....Torts played Duclair 24 seconds the other night after a defensive gaffe like Vesey's on his first shift..sometimes coaches will do anything to get a point across but they have to move on----like DQ did with BUCH last night even if it was out of necessity..Lord knows you couldn't move up Doo or Mcleod..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:35 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 6m6 minutes ago Buchnevich will be on the left side of Hayes and Fast tomorrow, says David Quinn. And Lundqvist in net. Freddie Claesson skated yesterday and today and is probably a week to 10 days away from returning. 0 replies 0 retweets 1 like Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 53m53 minutes ago Lines today look like,,, 20-93-36 (Sub for Fast)-13-89 72-16-90 8-24-26 D pairs are... 76-54 18-44 42-22 77

stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:55 pm EST

Interesting trade. From a FLA angle, hockey insiders speculating that they are clearing cap space to go after the 2 pending BJ UFAs this summer. Both Brassard and Sheahan will be UFA in July. McCann and Bujstad have term - the Panthers shed over $5,000,000 in salary (or will do so July 1).

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:53 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 26s26 seconds ago More As we talked about yesterday, Florida hopes to take a run at Panarin and Bobrovsky so after today’s trade they have more flexibility to do it. And while they could wait until July 1 to go after them, they could also inquire before Feb 25 if something makes sense... so stay tuned

RDW


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:49 pm EST

My bad..I misread the trade...I would expect FLA to flip BRASSARD?..Still MCCann isnt much and BJUGSTAAD is a very disappointing player given his physical size and talent..but can see him having a good run in Pitt, at least temporarily..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:44 pm EST

Wow, that's a big good old fashioned not part of a tank/quit job trade..Two GMs trying to reshape their roster for the PO run...God I cant wait until the Rangers are part of that again--maybe in this lifetime?

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:43 pm EST

Well, with the BRASSARD trade we now know two things. First, it is theoretically possible that the Pens could win the Cup again this year. And second, the Panthers have given up on making the playoffs and are trying to tank. There could be no other reason for acquiring BRASSARD.........

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:42 pm EST

E - Alot of that about size and players not wanting to hit is much more true in the regular season then it is in the POs..The POs are still a physical grind where alot more is let go and players are allowed to be much more physical and nasty. I really havent seen that change..yet..When it does..Hockey is dead

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:41 pm EST

E: On PANARIN, I totally agree that he isn't the answer and I've been pretty vocal about it here that I don't want the Rangers to sign him. If this team was just coming out of a rebuild I would be interested in PANARIN. But they are just going into it. The timing is completely wrong.......... I agree that the D is a shambles but where I disagree is that I think the forward situation is just as bad, if not worse, looking forward at the next few years. On HAYES, I agree that he is a much better player then he was a few years ago. And I think he continues to play well for the next 4 or 5 years. But what I can't get out of my mind is how bad he looked in his 2nd season when he didn't put the work in the off season to improve. His conditioning was terrible and he visibly lost a step in his speed and quickness. And the results were really bad on the ice. HAYES desperately needs time and space to be effective with the puck. And defensively, while he is certainly not a speed demon he skates well enough right now to be effective. But when he loses a step due to age I think it is going to hit his game really hard on both sides of the ice. Just my gut feeling. I could be wrong. He could learn how to adapt and be an effective player even late into his 30s. But I'm not going to be the guy that signs him to a long term deal that goes into his mid or late 30s. ;-)

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:28 pm EST

Brassard goes to sunny Florida.

shonuff


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:27 pm EST

Full trade: To PIT: Nick Bjugstad, Jared McCann To FLA: Derick Brassard, Riley Sheahan, a 2nd RD pick, 4th RD pick and 4th RD pick (via MIN)

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:25 pm EST

*Breaking News* As per sources @penguins Trade Sheahan ,Brassard, 2nd & 2 4th Rd Picks in 2019 to @FlaPanthersPR for Bjugstad & McCann. @NHL @NHLNetwork #HockeyTwitter? ?

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:22 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger Follow Follow @DarrenDreger More Derek Brassard traded to Florida. Part of a bigger deal. Players still being told.

DREW


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:22 pm EST

Fast not at practice again....I think he is dealing with something....I do think they should shut him down for a while....let him get at least closer to 100%

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:22 pm EST

VIC: funny how you mention Panarin. As I break down the New York Rangers yes, their offense isn’t world beaters. In fact, they suck. Can’t score for crap. But I think Lundqvist obfuscates a large culprit. It’s the defense. It’s not an NHL level defense. Not a single guy in that depth chart with top-2 upside. At best, Skjei is your best hope. There is no one behind him in the system with any kind of real upside that puts them in serious consideration? Pionk? For as much as I like him he leaks like a sib. DeAngelo? Good grief. So if you were planning on addressing a weakness with no help in sight? And you were gonna open the bank??? There is your hole to fill. And there is no one I’d open the bank for in this UFA class. I would for Karlsson but even if he tested the market I think he’s gonna re-sign in SJ. Up front? Panarin furthers your cause but the holes are ridiculous.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:07 pm EST

VIC: What about Hayes will change? He is slow as molasses on the ice. But he can hang onto pucks and extend plays. That makes for a long career. Joe Thornton looks like he’s in neutral these days but he’s still so effective because of his passing. Hayes is no Thornton but he does know how to extend a play and get off a pass. And from what i see, his game keeps getting better and better. He’s becoming a complete player. He has a good career in front of him if injuries don’t take its toll.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:04 pm EST

As far as size? Ask Johnny Gaudreau. Small guys can play in the league if they’re small in their skates because you can’t get good shots in on them. Their base is low and they just kinda bounce off you and keep going. And you can’t grab them. JG might be the hardest guy to hit in the NHL. And he seems to have learned how to hang onto the puck while getting hit. He just kinda bounces off your hip and keeps on going. So you don’t hit him because he’ll blow past you. He intimidates your desire to stand him up and end up just trying to get a stick on puck and sweep it clear.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:59 am EST

Jake: hitting is a lost art by virtue that it’s harder to doin today’s game. Look at how the league penalizes it. Look at how players show you the numbers to get boarding calls. And not to mention the transition in the game is so fast now that you can’t come out of position for a hit. The skill level collectively is so high now it’s hard to get a shoulder into someone and not risk being called. Look at your prep. Stick all the way down, skates on the ice, no strides, no feet leaving the ice. One little thing off? 2-minutes. I hate it. But it is what it is.

E


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:51 am EST

If the Rangers don't make the playoffs for the next 3 years both Gorty and DQ will be gone....

PJ


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:39 am EST

JAKE - I kinda disagree with that in a fashion..I don't think speed will be a problem for him in the next 5 years or so as a strong 2nd line C..Maybe mid 30's, if he plays that long, just might have to switch roles (more 3rd C)..Yeah, I know you dont want to pay a 3rd line C 5-7 mill a year on the tail end of a contract, but those are the things you have to think about in terms of dollars, terms, and if and when the team will be competing with him on the roster...All up to GORDO..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:16 am EST

Hayes is not a good enough skater to last into his mid 30s.

Jake0104


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:12 am EST

I know hitting is a lost art ....and I know that he is only 17 but isnt anyone concerned about the Jack Hughes lack of size....5ft 9in and 165 pounds. can he make it to 5'11 and 200 like Cosby? Hughes brother at Michigan is only an inch taller

Jake0104


Fri Feb 1 2019 11:07 am EST

RF4L: Regarding HAYES, I don't think he has another 10 years in the league. Once he loses a step or two due to age he is going to be in trouble. If I had to guess I would guess that he will be out of the league by 34 years old. He turns 27 this spring so that would give him about 7 more years or less if I'm right.

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:43 am EST

Meant to say "enough meaningless regular season points".....

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:41 am EST

FRED: I'll answer you first. You asked.."How the hell are you going to make the playoffs in say 2-3 years if you remove a talent like Hayes and get what in return!? Draft picks!?.."... The answer is that they aren't making the playoffs in 2 to 3 years. As far as I am concerned that is a given. But IMHO they aren't making the playoffs in 2 to 3 years WITH HAYES or MZA either. Lets just take the the scenario that is most likely to unfold over the next few weeks and go from there. Over the next few weeks the Rangers are likely to trade away MZA, HAYES and McQUAID. Those 3 are the "givens" as they are all on expiring contacts. The Rangers may also separately move (or include in a deal for one of those 3) BUCH, VESEY, FAST or others. The loss of any of those other players is largely insignificant with respect to the Rangers future over the next few years. In those deals I don't expect the Rangers to get back a player that is Top 6 NHL ready right now. Otherwise why would any team the Rangers are trading with make that deal? That means draft picks and prospects are coming back. Next year the Rangers will have KREIDER and ZBAD as the only legitimate top 6 forwards on the roster. They will have CHEETOS, HOWDEN, STROME (if he isn't dealt), ANDERSSON and any of the other guys that I previously mentioned that weren't traded. Unless something changes where they are in the standings suggests that they will be drafting anywhere between 8 and 14 again. That means they aren't going to be getting a player that is going to be able to contribute for a few years. You can add KRAPSHOT to the roster and SHESTERKIN if you like. Neither has played a second of North American hockey, let alone NHL hockey. We have no idea if either will be able to contribute or be in over their heads next year. The Rangers have some decent D prospects coming but they have to clear some dead weight out of the way first. I expect next to nothing in return for getting rid of SHATTENKIRK, SMITH and STAAL. They could go out and sign PANARIN but he isn't going to carry the team to the playoffs. And by the time any of the kids develop enough to be legitimate top 6 players PANARIN and his contract will be the Rangers next DRURY/GOMEZ problem. So for me I have the playoffs at least 5 years away looking at what the Rangers have now. Oh, they may sneak into the playoffs one year before that but I mean a consistent playoff team on the rise. Unless some miracle befalls them and they draft a HUGHES or KAKKO in this draft there isn't going to be an injection of young, high end talent next year. Maybe they will drop to the bottom of the league next year and get the #1 overall pick in 2020. That would be about your best hope. But with HANK around I'm sure he will steal enough meaningful regular season points to keep them out of the top 5 of the draft....... So much to look forward to.........

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:15 am EST

Howden

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:11 am EST

Oh, wait....of course Lias Anderson or Boo will just blossom in front of our very eyes.....we won’t even know Hayes is gone. And there’s Holden and Strome.....what was I thinking.....

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 1 2019 10:06 am EST

Vic et. al. Not keeping Hayes will be a gigantic blunder. How the hell are you going to make the playoffs in say 2-3 years if you remove a talent like Hayes and get what in return!? Draft picks!?

Melvillefred


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:47 am EST

stevie: Agreed on your timeline, assuming it starts last year at the latest. Kids like Chytil, Andersson and those selected last year need to time to develop. Some will come along faster than others of course but that's fine - another key to all of this is to remain competitive longterm and in the hard cap world that cannot be accomplished with having a continual stream of young cheap talent bubbling up through the system. That requires draft picks and sound development fundamentals. The latter, however, is irrelevant without the former.

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:43 am EST

Hospo: It isn't unless Gorton overpays and over-extends and gives him a NMC...

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:37 am EST

MF - Re-signing UFAs that you just dealt is not impossible but very rarely happens in any sport..so it really isnt a loan that should be considered (especially in the Haze case)

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:37 am EST

If they have a real Cup contender in 3-5 years then it was the right course. Otherwise you might have a team you had 5 years ago or maybe not even as good . Fishpie is repackaging what sather claimed before he came here . They are selling utopia and delivering you wait and see . Happy 25 th anniversary! .... as far as I can tell, the nhl nyr next season will be less than what they are this season. Imagine that. You better hope I’m wrong.

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:34 am EST

RF4L - How is resigning HAYES, who over the last year has been about the best overall forward on the team and hasnt even entered his best and prime of his careeer, the same old rinse and repeat? It's not, not even close..Now, if you dont think you can resign him NOW and fit his contract into your vision of the team and compete time table, then you trade him for the best package possible..

Hospo


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:31 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/jack-hughes-to-miss-five-nations-tournament/c-304345892?tid=277764372

mf


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:30 am EST

One for Mrs. RF4L: https://www.nhl.com/news/rielly-moving-to-off-side-to-ease-muzzin-transition/c-304359118

mf


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:27 am EST

RF: another POV is that we're loaning out Hayes and Zucc in return for picks and or prospects. If the situation to resign them after the season makes sense, resign them, but get something for them in the next 25 days.....

mf


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:23 am EST

For you guys that follow the youth movement: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ontario-jr-a-deadline-gaffe-exposes-the-ugly-side-of-trading-junior-hockey-players

mf


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:19 am EST

stevie: Isn't not trading the likes of Hayes and MZA and signing them more of a rinse and repeat vs a rebuild? Nob for Life never rebuilt - he started to in 2004 then abandoned that strategy when a combination of JJ and his posse along with new rules that opened up the game created what really was akin to fool's gold - Nob for Life of course couldn't see the forest for the trees. What Gorton is engineering is something different (or at least that appears to be the case) which isn't a rinse and repeat, at least not from a building strategy perspective.

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:12 am EST

stevie: I don't follow the Knicks at all but from afar my understanding is it's due primarily to mismanagement and perhaps a meddling owner. Assuming that's correct, we can only hope Gorton knows what he's doing. I know you're not too happy with his work to date, which is of course, your right but I'm prepared to be a little more patient, in part because most of what he's done in the past 3 years (starting with the very good Brassard for Z trade) I don't have a problem with. There's lots of consternation on here about the Rangers drafting record under his watch but for me, it's too early to draw any conclusions considering thanks to his predecessor, until June of 2017 they didn't have many picks to even screw up. I am hoping the pending purge will be the last one for a while. We'll see...

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 9:05 am EST

The correct way to do it is to get a new gm and President along with a new owner.... instead you’re getting the fire the team mentality.... with the same management that brought them here .... rinse and repeat.,. Maybe they’ll hire chica boom boom to assist in making them the oilers east again...sans the Cup,... 25 years and counting... could turn into another 54 years like 1940...

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:56 am EST

Rf4l that’s why I brought up the knicks ... still rebuilding after 6+ years....

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:52 am EST

Buch untouchable?...Would love to see him out of here....RF...You wouldn't move TonyD?....He can't even stay in the lineup....And for a good return I would move Skjei in a minute....

PJ


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:51 am EST

Vic: Actually you were correct in your post - sign both if they agree to those deals (and I'll add no NMCs either). MZA might but you know Hayes won't. And trade them anyways with the wink-wink that those deals will be presented to them July 1. Now if you're correct in your 80% change Hayes will be retired when the Rangers are cup contenders then WHAT? He's 26 and could be around for 10 more years. If that's the length of the rebuild FIRE GORTON NOW. I could do a better job for crying out loud!

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:47 am EST

Wow, I'm surprised nobody jumped on my trolling sarcasm there. Oh well. FRED: I wasn't trying to be a jerk, just having a little fun. There are several reasons why both MZA and HAYES need to be moved at the deadline. The first and most obvious is that the Rangers can't afford to lose them for nothing. The second is that resigning either or both isn't in the long term best interest of the team. From what we are looking at I would say there is an 80% chance that both are completely retired from the NHL before the Rangers are able to compete for a Cup. And keeping them doesn't shorten that time....it lengthens it. I know that is hard for a lot of people to understand and accept.

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:45 am EST

rf4l: I think Buch goes if they "know" they are getting back a player that can replace his skillset, or improve it (based on what the total deal is) Buch has a skillset that they dont have a lot of, honestly no team has a lot of really, but he isnt so top end that they cant improve by opening up his roster spot for another player. If he is added to a deal along with some other parts and pieces they may be able to get a higher pick, or a higher level prospect from a team who wants guys who are closer to NOW guys than next year guys and to expand their own rosters with more players that are NHL ready. The AVS for instance, they are short on depth, so they may be willing to give up some nice assets to get a couple NHL level guys to help their roster depth.

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:40 am EST

mf: No one is truly untouchable (save for those with NMCs) but Buch has skill and the Rangers are lacking in such skill so if you believe you can harness it, you keep him. Now like with Vesey and/or Fast, if adding Buch to a deal makes it happen and it's a deal Gorton likes, he has to do it. I just wouldn't be shopping him outright. JMFO of course.

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:40 am EST

Irving moofman, probably yes,.... how many teams want to touch buchie ? ....

stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:38 am EST

stevie: Yep, that's what happens in a rebuild. The alternative is to keep them and hope to squeak into the POs and get bounced early if you do succeed. Neither proposition is overly appealing...

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:37 am EST

RF, BUCH is untouchable?

mf


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:36 am EST

just imagine how good the nyr will be after February when they trade Hayes and zucchini and the rest .....and who their replacements will be from the well stocked Hartford. .....and you get to wait and see how what they got in return for the trades turn into , in probably 3 years....maybe.....

stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:33 am EST

Wild: Yeah an injury might be the problem but if so, rest him until he's healthy. He might be tired of the losing and wants out. Who knows. I know I now consider him expendable but not at no cost. For me there aren't many keepers now - the rookies plus Z and Buch on the forward lines and Pionk, DeA and Skjei on the backline. Everyone else should be available. Now I'm not saying jettison them all - that's too much turnover but if say Fast or Vesey have to be included in a deal that's good for the Rangers you do it (ala MIller last year).

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:28 am EST

Fast has been a dunce lately....Please send Smith to Hartford and be done with him....Nobody is taking this guy off our hands...Hard to imagine watching this team without Hayes and Zucc....It would be torture...

PJ


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:24 am EST

Keeping ZUCC and Hayes would be utter stupidity. If they really REALLY mean it when they say they want to be Rangers they will understand, they will work to help make themselves more valuable at the deadline and they will not sign a deal until after they can talk with the Rangers and come back for a team friendly deal. If they dont do those things they are lying about wanting to be a Ranger for life and are only saying that to try to get the biggest payday out of the Rangers as possible....If a team does gove up a first for Zucc it WILL help the rebuild, if Hayes gets a 1st and a good prospect it WILL help the rebuild....and help the Rangers for more than a few years. Keeping this team together will do just one thing....keep it fighting for playoff spots....you move the UFAs to be every single one of them for whatever you can get....again if they REALLY want to remain they will circle back round in July...you trade any RFAs that are not part of the long term plan, you trade other players that are signed if they are not what the teams needs.

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:20 am EST

rf4l: I would not be shocked to hear he has some nagging injury. he has missed a bit of time, and been banged up a lot this year. He seems to be missing a step and jsut not able to really do things like before. Also there is the possibility he is concerned with being traded and mentally its hurting him. Also it doesnt help that a few of the penalties he has been called for are border line, adding to the avalanche of time in the box (at least for his normal) and that might be adding to the mental side of this slump. But again, if he is dealing with an injury thing I wouldnt be shocked....he just looks off, not as strong, not as quick.

Wildcard


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:17 am EST

I know he's a favourite in here and with the media but I'm not seeing much out of Fast lately, except a penchant for dumb penalties. Does he want to be traded perhaps?

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:14 am EST

FRED: I'm all for resigning MZA and HAYES! GORTON should get it done immediately. He should lock up MZA for $3.5 Million per year on a 3 year deal and HAYES for $5 Million per year on a 4 year deal..........

Vic


Fri Feb 1 2019 8:09 am EST

Imagine if both MZA and Hayes had NMCs...yikes. Nothing from something come July. And that's why GMs should be very careful when handing those out, something Nob for Life never grasped.

rF4l


Fri Feb 1 2019 6:55 am EST

That’s why agents ask for ntc.... and now you know the rest of the story...

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 4:56 am EST

“ Zuccarello, who missed Tuesday’s game with a foot infection, has 12 points (4-8) in his last six games. Still, despite his revival (or perhaps because of it), he is almost certain to be elsewhere following the Feb. 25 trade deadline, though the prospect of a summer return via free agency somehow doesn’t seem wholly out of the question. Kevin Hayes, despite another strong game, is likely to be dealt as a rental property, too. Both pending free agents have made it clear they wish to remain Rangers. Ultimately, absent trade protection, they have no say in the matter. ”

Stevielegs


Fri Feb 1 2019 4:14 am EST

“I don’t know what I would do if I were asked to waive,” Staal told The Post this week. “It really hasn’t crossed my mind at this point. Hypotheticals are tough.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 4:13 am EST

My problem with the Staal-Pionk tandem is that too often Staal is the one to jump in on the play instead of Pionk. Staal should always be the defensive conscience. It seems counter-intuitive to me. That is unless we're "showcasing" him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 4:03 am EST

How David Quinn addressed Tony DeAngelo’s ‘maturity issue’... “It was a maturity issue,” Quinn told The Post. “He and I have talked about it and are working on it. He’s too good to let maturity issues get in the way of him becoming the kind of player that he can be.... “It’s something he’s got to work on and it’s something we’ve got to help him with.”.... https://nypost.com/2019/02/01/what-benching-tony-deangelo-proves-about-david-quinn/

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 3:35 am EST

NBC Sports ‏ Verified account @NBCSports .... The Buzzer: Practically untouchable Zibanerad... The #NHL trade deadline is approaching, but #Rangers center Mika Zibanejad is borderline-untouchable http://bit.ly/2S2qBjJ

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 1:19 am EST

TRADE... I don't know how ballsy the KP trade was, he made it clear he wasn't going to sign a new deal with the team. It seems he hasn't appreciated all the loosing by the team since he's been there. Also, add to it all the problems he had with Phil Jackson. Yet another horrible hire by DOLAN. Great coach in his day, but just a horrible team President(he was also basically the GM too)... https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/1/31/18205737/kristaps-porzingis-trade-rumors-new-york-knicks-star-organizational-dysfunction

Rhet0ric


Fri Feb 1 2019 12:12 am EST

Fred, I agree Zubie was a terrible trade he became top notch defensemen in Dallas for many years and won another cup there , Amonte and Weight however they never played on good teams they never won anything !!

Ilya


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:45 pm EST

Zuccarello made a statement tonight. Does not want to be traded and he loves playing in New York

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:06 pm EST

For some reason with the impen$ing Fire Sale coming up I started to think of one of the worst moves ever made by this Organization which was dealing Zubov.....

Melvillefred


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:04 pm EST

After the Knicks traded KP today in a ballsy blockbuster.....whats next for the Rangers? U know they have to go for the wow factor now.....

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:03 pm EST

Good win tonight......so explain to me why we want to get rid of Zuuch?? Will whatever we get in return make us better and somehow hasten this rebuild?! I doubt it. It will just mean a product that’s even worse than what we have now.

Melvillefred


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:32 pm EST

ilya...not sure what your point is my friend but back then (shortly after they won the cup) is very different vs now both in terms of what the team consisted of and the ability to spend money.

rF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:14 pm EST

They could’ve dealt Mess, Nemchinov, Lowe , Beauk, other than Mess they wouldn’t get much in return!!

Ilya


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:05 pm EST

Jim, situation was different coming off the championship season Leetch was an all star defensemen in his prime at 26 Graves was 52 goal scorer power forward Richter was one of the best netminders in the league , even if they decided to rebuild they would try to trade Mess and keep those guys to build team around !!

Ilya


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:59 pm EST

RF4L - BOTH Hayes and ZBAD have shown this year that thye are continuig to be (Hayes) or becoming good two-way centers..And both have excelled offensivly (ES) when paired with the few of the talented wingers the Rangers have...That's where the big problem is outside of Kreider and now, fianlly, ZUCC...time will tell what the Rangers think

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:57 pm EST

Jim. Those guys aren’t as good as Leetch Richter Graves imagine what they would fletch while being in their late 20’s, I’m just not sure that they get enough for those guys Hayes Kreider , Zukk, you still need NHL ready player who can contribute!!

Ilya


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:56 pm EST

Bob: half (at least) of the NHL would take Staal in a heartbeat. But it doesn’t matter, he is one of two Rangers with a full NMC....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:55 pm EST

Watching Winnepeg broadcast on TSN. Between periods some reporter from Winnepeg Sun saying he thinks Hayes is the teams top target. Hmmm. Some nice goodies in that organization.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:52 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/31/marc-staal-is-in-control-of-his-uncertain-rangers-fate/amp/

tlats


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:50 pm EST

For sure the surging first line is a lot to do with MZA waking up. He's been incredible the last 3 weeks. To me he'd be an easier fit vs Hayes for an acquiring team because he's a winger with centre type puck control skills. He can fit in more places in the top 6 vs Hayes. Hayes, however, addresses a specific gap better than MZA. Regardless, both are upping their trade value lately. So, of course, is Kreider....!

rF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:50 pm EST

Trade - Yeah, both ZUCC and McQ could really help good teaams looking to go deep..HAYES too..but the good teams usually already have a good 1B or 2nd center...

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:46 pm EST

Zucc on a good team and right fit could be a last piece of a puzzle.....Maybe even a Zucc and McQuaid package deal......

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:44 pm EST

Brendan Smith’s needs to be trade for a 7th rounder ASAP, because I don’t want to see him in a Rangers jersey again. Too bad nobody will be interested in Marc Staal.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:43 pm EST

Nick Alberga ‏ Verified account @thegoldenmuzzy ..... Mats Zuccarello's trade value is increasing by the second. The Rangers should be able to fetch at least a first rounder in a deal for him.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:42 pm EST

I want the Rangers to Lose for HUGHES. Then the Devils start this crosschecing from behind crap and I am screaming at the TV pulling for the win. Miles Wood is one of the cheapest players in the NHL. NHL refs call this garbage interference on face offs and allow cross checks that could result in injuries. Utter garbage.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:42 pm EST

ZBAD with one of his real good games after a dud agasint the Flyers....Entire line played awessome....Had to..It was the oby inwe the Rangers had...Bith Hayes and ZBAD deserve talented wingers to pkay with..but the Rangers only have enough to pkay with one!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:41 pm EST

5-2 last 7 .... playoff bound

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:39 pm EST

I would love for Darth Quaider to take Boyle and spin him into the ice like one of those oil and gas drills

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:39 pm EST

Yeah Rangers Yeah Hank Yea Z line. Trade everyone else

Jake0104


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:38 pm EST

Hanky - good and lucky on that one!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:38 pm EST

Nice crosscheck to Steal's back.......shitbag Debbies look like the 1981 Iceholes with the clutching , grabbing, holding and cross checking

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:37 pm EST

Hanky stop saving the game

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:36 pm EST

RF4L - Hey, why we have this place!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:33 pm EST

Hospo...not me.

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:33 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Mika Zibanejad is the first Ranger who has recorded a regular season hat trick on the road at New Jersey since Kelly Kisio on Dec. 26, 1986. Including playoffs, he is the first Ranger to record a hat trick on the road at the Devils since Mark Messier in the 1994 ECF. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:33 pm EST

And THe King does his part!!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:33 pm EST

What bad saves by hanky

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:32 pm EST

ZZK for Patrick Laine and Kitchen1's sister

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:31 pm EST

BUCH got an assist, good for him.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:31 pm EST

RF4L - If you're gonna rebuild and tank, I'll trade him in a New York second..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:31 pm EST

ZABADABADO!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:30 pm EST

YOW..pretty finish by ZBAD but what a great play by ZUCC..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:30 pm EST

Trade The zzk line tonight

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:30 pm EST

Mika Hosponejad

tradestar28


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:30 pm EST

Zbad our MVP. local product Santini with an awful shift

Jake0104


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:30 pm EST

YEAAAAHHHH BABYYYYY Z-BADDDDDDD WITH THE HATTRICK!!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:29 pm EST

Who wants Z traded???

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:29 pm EST

How Sweet It Is!

mf


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:29 pm EST

ZBAD hat

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:26 pm EST

WTF...what a shameful fucking league. The idiotic ref was 3 feet away!!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:26 pm EST

Holy SHIT THESE REFS JUST SUCK

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:24 pm EST

The Chief gets a mention. Yes for old guys

Jake0104


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:24 pm EST

Boring and physically meek but the team defense and the backline has been pretty good for the secod game in a row (2PP goals and a Vesey give away)

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:22 pm EST

:)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:21 pm EST

RF4L - Hey,,it's an intense rivalary ..just like the other night agasit the Flyers..Sad state waht the NHL regular season has become

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:20 pm EST

Smart in school subjects but unable to make $ change $ in the real world

RF73


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:19 pm EST

Chytil shit tonight too

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:18 pm EST

Butchie should do commercials for gas x ...he has the perfect look

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:17 pm EST

Hey Rhet....Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha Hilarious

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:17 pm EST

Zero physicality in this game.

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:17 pm EST

Can we play 8 D ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:16 pm EST

Why are no Nyr supporting their guy with the puck , and trying Assvipe stretch passes ? Hello coach!

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:16 pm EST

When a turnover like that is the only time your name is mentioned during the game, you are having a bad night. Also, why on earth is Zucc passing to Staal in the slot? Might as well just hand it to the defense.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:15 pm EST

You know you have really fucked up, when the coach lets BUCH take your place!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:14 pm EST

Good thing that wasnt Buch

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:13 pm EST

For a Harvard grad, Vesey sure can be stupid some times

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:13 pm EST

Naturally… Second goal of the season for Igor

RF73


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:12 pm EST

That's okay HANK. I think you should've made the save too.... OT anyone?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:12 pm EST

Bob...rightfully so. He was invisible till then...

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:12 pm EST

Yep..Vesey meet the Dog House..!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:11 pm EST

Jimmy Vesey to the rescue. You won’t see him out there for the rest of the game.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:11 pm EST

Vesey sux

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:10 pm EST

Vesey feces

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:10 pm EST

Lol...kinkard sux

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:10 pm EST

I hope these scouts are noticing Zuccarello.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:10 pm EST

Might as well trade all 3

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:10 pm EST

WOO HOO.... 3-2

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:09 pm EST

Report: Several contenders have reached out to Blue Jackets about Panarin.... https://twitter.com/theScoreNHL/status/1091155456007913472

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:09 pm EST

Magic zzk line

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:08 pm EST

Strome invisible too

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:06 pm EST

2 intercepted passes in 10 seconds....

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:05 pm EST

Hey Lou... What you do with the KNICKS in your spare time is none of my business. Also, I don't judge.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:58 pm EST

Hey Rhet...Fuck the Knicks

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:55 pm EST

The thing about the Knicks is that they are now 6 years and counting in missing the playoffs. They are a total disaster of a team. Nothing positive has happened to the team since Dolan has been here and he considers himself a Basketball guy. Thank god he doesn't consider himself a hockey guy, otherwise the NYR would really be in trouble.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:55 pm EST

WILD - SInce niether of us are on the bench..at least I know I'm not..it could be either way...BUT for it to hapen so much lies at tghe feet of the coaching staff for either not being in control or not having your players discipined wenough by this late in the season...JMWO

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:50 pm EST

The thing I find funny about blaming the coach for too many men is that the coaching staff called out the line changes....if a player goes on the ice before a player comes off...thats not the coach...he doesnt hold their hand, he tells them who is up next and calls for the change....I mean unless you all think that he should run down the bench and tell guys when to get up, when to step over the boards, and yanks a guy back when he tries to go before the other guy gets off the ice....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:48 pm EST

My "o" is sticking :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:45 pm EST

Well, it's either on DQ or one of his assistants....Rangers look pretty and powerful on the PP but little at ES when the ice isnt open..Ditt for the Dvils..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:44 pm EST

How many too many men in 50 games ? Coach with his clueless look

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:43 pm EST

That's on you DQ. AGAIN!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:41 pm EST

Rhet that a sexist Freudian slip ?

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:41 pm EST

Is Name playing?

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:40 pm EST

Too bad the rangers really lack two top six wingers to go with two centers that have both been getting better..soon to be three when MZA is dealt..OTO..Ranger might be down to one center in a month also

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:40 pm EST

ALL gals tonight have been on the PP.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:38 pm EST

The PP Man does it again..Great shot by ZBAD..and a great pass by ZUCC...hope GMs are watcing..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:37 pm EST

Oh boy Z is gonna miss MZA...

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:37 pm EST

YEAAAAAHHHHH BUDDDYYYY.... Z-BAD 2-DEVILS 2

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:34 pm EST

Skjei slow tonight...

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:33 pm EST

Is Fast playing? What about Boo? McCleod? Lots of passengers tonight....

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:33 pm EST

RF4L - The other night, Vesey was one of the best Rangers..tonight not so much..That's him in a nutshell

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:32 pm EST

Rf4l I think they are Siamese twins possibly holding hands

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:31 pm EST

Stevie...the same game as Dickiletti

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:31 pm EST

I don't know, I'm watching the DEVILS feed.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:30 pm EST

What game is nosen watching?

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:30 pm EST

Vesey sux

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:29 pm EST

ANother bad call...Smith broke up the play nicely..but with a push.of Wood into Lunqvist..but i'll take it

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:28 pm EST

Another blown call ... refs r us ...

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:28 pm EST

Another shitbox call...

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:28 pm EST

I would be pissed if that call was against the Rangers.....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:26 pm EST

I am wondering what the Rangers could get for Strome at the deadline, or if he could be a piece that could get a deal done with a better return. I mean he has played well...no not like a 5th overall pick, but he has played well. Hard to imagine a contender wouldn't see him as an asset on the 3rd line to have that depth to go for the cup.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:24 pm EST

Yes HAZEY, very pretty but shoot the damn thing..the longer you keep it, higher the riisk of getting it knocked away

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:19 pm EST

“Because the most curious thing that happened Thursday was this: After relentlessly selling their fans and their city on the value of their mission — a full rebuild, no shortcuts this time, short-term pain in exchange for long-term gain, patience, patience, patience, and all of this done with the idea that Porzingis was central to all of it — the men who ran the Knicks simply changed their minds.”

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:18 pm EST

If Pionk has degraded to the point where people would rather have Deangelo, you know you are in sad shapre..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:17 pm EST

HOSPO... Yeah, we certainly need to get DQ DQ -type players.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:15 pm EST

Sorry but Pionk...I prefer DeAngelo...

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:15 pm EST

Coming soon for nyr fans ....https://nypost.com/2019/01/31/there-is-only-one-way-knicks-arent-colossal-idiots-in-porzingis-trade/

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:12 pm EST

I think now I know why Staal isn't pressboxed!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:11 pm EST

Staal off. Again. Too much time odf.

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:11 pm EST

RF4L - I think the whoole wall has been advocating for that type of player for a long time--only difference might be the age! I'll take it wither way

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:09 pm EST

Only in Nosen land is a good shot something you shoot right into the goalie!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:07 pm EST

Fishpie will top this ...”The Knicks have once again failed their franchise and their fans by trading Kristaps Porzingis”

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:07 pm EST

Totally aligning to TD's advocation of getting a guy like Lemieux. This team needs a guy who can play regularly and wants to hit. Lead by example.

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:07 pm EST

RHET - I dont think thet are a very good team but I also think many of the players need to give alot more..or they need to be swapped out for players thaat will..Just skating doen nothing

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:59 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 1m1 minute ago More Since the start of last season, Mika Zibanejad ranks seventh in the NHL in power play goals (21).... Zibanejad has tallied a goal in four of the last five games (six goals), and he has also tallied a point in six of the last seven games (six goals, four assists). #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:56 pm EST

The Dukes are cornering the market... Mortimer... sell... sell... sell... that’s all I got to say.

E


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:56 pm EST

Newf...the game is too fast for conventional reffing. Time to change things up...put 1 ref in the pressbox mic him with the other and give him limited instant reply. Will it be great? Who knows but DO SOMETHING!!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:54 pm EST

Shawn Hutcheon ‏ @ShawnHutcheon .... Tonight's #PHIvsBOS game is being scouted by #ANA (Nonis), #CHI (2 scouts), #COL, #CBJ, #DET, #EDM (1 scout & MacTavish), #FLA, #LAK, #NSH, #NJD, #NYI, #NYR, #OTT, #STL, #TOR, #WPG (2 scouts).

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:53 pm EST

That should be NOT a very good team.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:53 pm EST

Hospo... If you don't think they work hard, then do you think they're underperforming? Personally, I don't think we're a very good team, which I'm sure TD will disagree with me.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:52 pm EST

What the heck happened to Bryce Salvador? He looks like Knucklehead Smith.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:52 pm EST

I'm sorry but these "calls" are ridiculous. Shit all over Fast and Smith all you want but I'm talking about the Devil calls too. I've said it on here before that the NHL for years and years could pride itself on having the best refs of all the 4 major sports. Not anymore. They are the worst (NFL a close 2nd). This year in particular I've watched more NHL games than usual other than the Rangers. I don't know if it's the rules,the game , Bettman or just the new age officials but it's becoming a joke.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:51 pm EST

MZA very impressive this period. He's gonna be a huge boost for whatever team acquires him. Dare I say a bigger plus than Hayes....

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:47 pm EST

Not sure if the Rangers really work hard..they skate hard but fall short in the other things.,,or they just dont have it in them....AV got quite alot out of the Ranhgers until his time was done-----at least a year and a hlaf before he was fired!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:46 pm EST

GOOAALL!!!!!!!!!Zabadabado!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:45 pm EST

I really don't get how that was interference....I mean, Namestnikov skated directly at the Devils player...the Devils player had no responsibility to move out of his way....when they make those calls I jsut dont get it...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:45 pm EST

wow..HAYES shoots and ZBAD goes to the net? not atypical Ranger goal

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:44 pm EST

WOO HOO... That's all it takes to get back in it.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:42 pm EST

The Devils are horrid and the Rangers make them look like world beaters.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:40 pm EST

Someone tell Hank to not stop working unless he's 100% sure they scored.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:38 pm EST

Death by penalties

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:37 pm EST

Hospo...no. Use Canada has legalized pot excuse!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:35 pm EST

Fast taking dumb penalties lately. WTF...wants to be traded...?

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:34 pm EST

I think the NYR are working hard this season. DQ is getting a lot more out of this team than AV got out of a much better team last year.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:33 pm EST

Safe to say the Brendan Smith experiment is over

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:33 pm EST

1 sog after 14 minutes including a pp ... maybe the nyr need a hearing test or the mighty Quinney has been tuned out

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:32 pm EST

Smith, Shattenkirk and McQuaid all need to play until the trade deadline. It would be nice to get rid of at least 2 out of the 3. There will be plenty of time for DeAngelo after we trade of at least one of them.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:29 pm EST

So nosen knows the Debbies are struggling and the nyr are working hard this season.... who writes his script?

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:28 pm EST

And Boyle dove. Eeesshhh.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:26 pm EST

Rangers D now called for 2 penalties )deserved) when Pionk was pulled down in front of his net resulting in a goal against with no call. NHL referees are a sick joke.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:26 pm EST

B. Smith with his usual trip to the box for tripping

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:25 pm EST

God damn pretty boy Rangers..just shoot and crash the net for crying out loud...

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:22 pm EST

Hopefully Smith is playing just for showcase. If its a coaching decision, thats scary.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:22 pm EST

BOB - Dont think Smith did anything to be sat for the other night either...Coaches decision..or they want Smith to play good and perhaps get somebody interested

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:20 pm EST

Gotta love bozo Nosen.."Howden continued to improve"...Was he watching any of the games he called?..McLeod-Nieves-BUCH..God does that sound like a train wreck or what? That's their cue to score a goal!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:19 pm EST

So what, exactly did Tony D do/not do to deserve being scratched in favor of Brendan Smith?

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:17 pm EST

Great pp vs pp way to go nyr

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:16 pm EST

RF4L - Can I use the RF4L fat finger defense?????

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:06 pm EST

Holy crap Hospo...that was over YOUR top for bad spelling. Lololol

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:05 pm EST

DickiNosen...what a pair!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 31 2019 7:03 pm EST

Zuccarello back on the ice tonight

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 6:52 pm EST

E- Cant say I know what the Rangers are gonna do..ypu would think DQ has identified who he wants and who he wants gones...I think all of BUCH, NAMESNIKOV, VESEY, SHATT, SNITH, NEVES should be upf for grabs and hopefully swapped out bu nect summer....I think without a doubt, MCQ and ZUCC will be gone...The question is HAYES--re up or bye-bye? That's the biggie for the current roster.....The next biggie is whether they just go with prospect or picks (which I think qould be foolish given what they have) or go for some real help and roster improvemn from UFAs or even trades (inckuding youngsgters)

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 6:51 pm EST

Hospo...Can't see management being that patient...And I am 60 and don't want to take a chance of missing the next Cup....Who the hell thought we would be posting all of this 25 years after the last one....Damn....

PJ


Thu Jan 31 2019 6:44 pm EST

HOSPO: I truly believe that come the deadline and the draft this is it. They are fully purged. It’ll be time to take note of what they have and see where it’s all going. There just isn’t that much more to strip away. That stated, they may look for player v. player trades. Kinda a Buchnevich for some other guy who fits what DQ is looking for and needs a new home kinda move. I just don’t think a Nemo kinda player has a long run coming as a New York Ranger. But, the great purge is just about over. No one left to jettison.

E


Thu Jan 31 2019 6:16 pm EST

PJ - if they trade HAYES and what they trade arguably their best forward for will give a good indication of what type of rebuild this is...Just Hoping for a Panarin or his ilk or even a HAYES return via UFA will be lunacy...and they dont have much to trade other then Kreider, SKJEI and ZBAD which defientely pushes the time table dowb the road....We'll see

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 6:16 pm EST

A good NBA franchise is worth much more than an NHL franchise. But Dolan can’t seem to run either.

E


Thu Jan 31 2019 5:54 pm EST

It's not a 5-7 year rebuild....If DQ doesn't have them in the playoff hunt next year he will be in trouble...Guarantee it....

PJ


Thu Jan 31 2019 5:52 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 16m16 minutes ago And, to be clear, Buchnevich is back in and Lundqvist in nets. #NYR 0 replies 3 retweets 4 likes Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 20m20 minutes ago Brett Howden is our 3-4 weeks with his knee injury. Zuccarello is a game-time decision with his foot infection. If he can’t go, then they’ll go 7 D. If he can (seems likely) then an undisclosed D sits. #NYR 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes

stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 5:51 pm EST

go with 7 d quinney,,,,dive dive..... New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 19m19 minutes ago Updates from #NYR Coach Quinn: -Buchnevich is in vs. NJD -Zucc will be a game-time decision

stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 5:43 pm EST

Howden out 3 -4 weeks or so

Puckyou


Thu Jan 31 2019 5:31 pm EST

The last time the Knicks had a boatload of cap space, they used it on Joachim Noah and Tim Hardaway. How'd that work out? They are a disaster.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 4:52 pm EST

I don’t think dropping anything cryptic to the media effects anything. If the New York Rangers are interested they A. Have been seeing him since he was JR. B. They’ve been scouting him intently in person and on tape. They know what he is and they’ll set a value on him if they like him.

E


Thu Jan 31 2019 4:51 pm EST

The Knicks trade today is all about clearing cap space for bringing in two big free agents next year. Looks like they will also be getting the #1 pick at the draft. Could be a quick turnaround for them however they will probably screw it up somehow.

RDW


Thu Jan 31 2019 4:41 pm EST

No matter ho horrible the Knicks are. Dolan will always put them in front of the Ranges

rangerlou


Thu Jan 31 2019 4:35 pm EST

The Knicks are tanking. They have a roster of young players who may be good in a few years and a few marginal players who could help a good team. They seemed to have constructed the roster so there is no one on it who can help them win now. Kanter might help them win a few so they benched him. That's Mills' plan. They wrote off this season when KP got hurt.

HellsKitchen


Thu Jan 31 2019 4:06 pm EST

Rangers are bad, but the Knicks are a freaking tire fire. Sheesh.

Bob


Thu Jan 31 2019 3:56 pm EST

Fishpie should follow the nyk by taking the path of least resistance, and put a team together for next season that’s not as so called good as this season . It’s easier to accomplish that than to have an improved team next season. He just has to stock up on prospects and picks. And say it’s a process.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 3:35 pm EST

Nyr in reality are 21-28 ....429% ... not even a cha cha ... 49 points in 49 games out of 98 points... that projects to 82 points... wow ...

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 3:29 pm EST

Dolan is consistent and his teams don’t tank, they just suck .... Knicks, who have lost 10 straight games, 23-of-25 and haven’t won a home game since Dec. 1. The Knicks’ 10-39 record gives them the NBA’s worst winning percentage at .204

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 31 2019 2:55 pm EST

HOSPO - Craig Laughlin - UGHHH!

Mo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:54 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/31/friedman-on-rangers-trade-possibilities

RDW


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:49 pm EST

VIC - Didnt reall ysay "at any cost"..just that I would be the market rate,,Life in the NHL and with an increasing Cap..I'd look to cut elsewhere instead..Being "stuck" with Kreider wont bother me..well, unless he tanks..:)

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:47 pm EST

RF4L - Dont realy think I'm underestimating it..I know in the NHL and especailly the PO gauntlet you have to have chemistry and a team all pulling in the same direction..and with leadership...BUT..if you don't have talent and production..you aint gonna win it now....I think it's a moot point with Kreider..a good team player who often leads on ice...and, from what i hear and read, in the locker room..

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:47 pm EST

RDW: Yeah, I don't disagree. I almost posted a 1st and Lemieux but I'm convinced because they gave up a 1st to get Stastny at the deadline last year, they won't give that this year. They value the draft too much. It really depends, I guess, on how Lemieux is viewed (by both teams). I read a quote over the all-star weekend from Paul Maurice where he was asked about his feelings on the Jets pulling off another deadline deal. He was, of course, careful not to say anything about needing to do so and in fact, cited an argument not to do so and used Lemieux as an example. He some players are better now vs at the start of the season and can fill the gap needed or worse keep getting better so the trade becomes lopsided (not quoting verbatim but that was his point I htink). He referenced Lemieux in his statement saying that he's playing way better now vs October. Mind you, that might have been a sly ploy to up his trade value!!!

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:46 pm EST

HOSPO: I think KREIDER is the kind of guy you keep even if it is a 5 to 7 year rebuild plan. The kids are going to need someone to play with and some protection. KREIDER can be that guy on a line with a young, elite center. But I disagree with you on the "at any cost" part. They can blow up their salary structure or get stuck with an anchor of a contract down the road when they are ready to compete and need some Cap flexibility.

Vic


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:42 pm EST

I am not a fan of dealing HAYES or trade proposals...but...the Rangers desperately need to get back a young, strong, and nasty (both physical and attitude) NHL ready forward back in the combinations of deals they make..If Lemieux is that, id be all for him IFF they have to deal Hayes

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:41 pm EST

Hospo: I know you're half-kidding but I think you're under estimating the value of certain players from that perspective. Team unity/chemistry is a hugely elusive but crucial thing. Some players are like glue when it comes realizing that. MSL is a prime example - he didn't accomplish a whole bunch statistically after coming to NY but from everything I've read and heard, he was massively important in the room. It's no coincidence IMO that after he retired, the team started to flounder in terms of passion on the ice and consistency. I am not comparing Kreider to MSL other than to say while the circumstances are different (rebuild vs PO contender) the need for a veteran solid voice is essential. If Kreider's providing that his value to the team goes up considerably. This happens frequently and sometimes it's with players who aren't that effective on the ice yet their icetime and role remains untouched by the coach because of the importance off the ice that player brings. A good example right now is Patrick Marleau. This year he's clearly behind the pace but he remains a fixture in the top 9 and often top 6. His role off the ice, especially in nuturing Matthews and Marner has been immensely important to both players and therefore, to the Leafs. There's been a ton of social media stuff where both are at Marleau's home with his family. Pressboxing Marleau isn't something the Leafs would do except as a last resort because it likely would negatively impact those 2 kids and therefore the room. For me this stuff while yes can be termed intangibles should not be under-rated. JMFO of course.

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:36 pm EST

RF4L: We'll have to see what the market for Hayes is. I've been a fan of getting Lemieux, and tdchi has been as well, but is Lemieux along with a late 2nd enough of a return? That being said, I think Lemieux could be a player that DQ would like to have.

RDW


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:29 pm EST

RDW: The Jets are apparently seeking a centre. How about Hayes for Lemieux and a 2nd?

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:22 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/31/friedman-leafs-were-muzzins-most-diligent-and-aggressive-pursuer

RDW


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:22 pm EST

MO - I was living around DC at that time..it sucked! and i had to gag on Craig Laughlin praising DRUCE to death

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:16 pm EST

LIMBO - Unfortunately, sure as hell do..he destoyed us..and had like 15 goals for the entire PO run.....On the brighter side, remember Bobby Sheehan in 1979? Guy never ever played a regular season game for the Rangers but was a huge spark plug, maybe 4-5 goals for that Ranger run to the Finals..I think him and Spoon Murdoch must have had some fun together!

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:05 pm EST

limbo, I remember that well. I was in college at NC State and would get together with some other Rangers fans to watch those game. Druce killed us that series. WTF?!?

Mo


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:52 am EST

Blast from the Past post: Does anyone remember the John Druce massacre of the 1990 playoffs? 9 friggen goals in 5 games?! After that year, he only potted 3 playoff goals the rest of his career.

limbo


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:41 am EST

RF4L - Honestly, is there anything that really matters "beyond his production on ice"? I say that half in-jest because I do know other things matter but, really, performance and production is awhat matters most by far..Even if you want to consider intangibles, at the very least KRIEDER is a very good teamate and all about the team..at best, maybe a leader....and take the other night as an example, he didnt produce any goals but by imposing his size and power he was by far the best Ranger or player on the ice..Just had little help...You re-sign this guy unless, again, GORDO is on the 5-7 year plan..The cost doesnt even matter to me..he will get paid the going rate by somebody..If the Rangers want to compete in the next three years or so, that somebody should be them

Hospo


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:38 am EST

If we're going to trade Kreider I'm hoping a Glass, Branstromm, Makar level prospect is coming back. I was thinking the Jets might be a target for us although I think they're going to have a cap crunch next year and having Kreider on the books would definitely complicate that situation. If the Jets were willing does anyone think Vesalainen, Lemieux, and change would be a good return? Too much? Too little?

RDW


Thu Jan 31 2019 11:05 am EST

Vic: For me it depends on his presence in the locker room. He appears to be a leader but of course we don't know for sure because we aren't privy to that important piece of the team. In other words, beyond his production on the ice, what would the Rangers risk losing if he's moved (or becomes an UFA in 17 months)?

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:28 am EST

RF4L: Would you resign KREIDER now for $6.5 Million on a 7 year deal? I think I would do that. If the Rangers won't or KREIDER is looking for much more then that then I'd deal him at the deadline this year.

Vic


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:07 am EST

Vic: Well that depends on what you consider a reasonable contract. If Kreider scores 30+ goals this year and next on the open market he's gonna fetch $7,000,000+ on a 6 year minimum deal.

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 10:05 am EST

RF4L: Yep, I totally agree. But KREIDER's advantage is his blistering speed plus the fact that his productivity is based on his play right in front of the net. He may lose a step or two as he ages but I can't see him as being a "slow" player even through 35. And what he does in front of the net in terms of screening, deflecting and banging home passes or rebounds shouldn't change much either. So resigning KREIDER to a reasonable contract to me is less risky then signing a guy like PANARIN to a big contract.

Vic


Thu Jan 31 2019 9:22 am EST

Vic: I've been against the signing of Panarin to a hefty long term contract from the start and in large part it's because, as you cite, his age. This will be his 3rd contract and as I've been arguing on here lately, time and time again teams are coming to hugely regret handing out large and lengthy 3rd contracts to guys in their late 20s. LA and Chicago are now suffering immensely because of that. It's why trading McD was the right thing to do and why Gorton needs to seriously think about Kreider's next deal. IMO with Panarin buyer beware and not next year or the year after or after that but 3 to 4 years beyond that.

rf4L


Thu Jan 31 2019 8:03 am EST

TD: It has taken far too long but I think GMs are finally starting to understand what they should and should not do with the respect to long term, high dollar contacts in a Cap world. It has been almost 15 years now and they are just starting to understand that the model of paying players for what they have done in the past doesn't work anymore. So in PANARIN's case it is more then just not wanting to spend a ton of young assets and draft picks to acquire him. It is also the fact that (#1) he will be 28 years old less then a month in the start of next season. That means he really isn't "in" his prime. He is already on the "back 9" so to speak. Physically, all you have to look forward to is the decline in his game that could start at any time. Losing a lot of assets for a guy you are basically going to sign for the bulk of his 30s to big dollars is a non starter for GMs that are getting smarter (as it should be). Which brings us to the #2 issue with PANARIN....the contract you would have to sign him to. From everything I've heard he is going to be a $10 Million player for 7 to 8 years. Maybe he goes for $9.5 Million to be in the city he wants to be. That is still HUGE money for a guy who will in his 30s just two years in the contact with 5 or 6 more years to go. To me he has never been a difference maker in his career. I don't see how he could ever "earn" that contract even from year 1. He would be overpaid the second he laced up his skates under his new contract next year. And that brings us to the #3 reason why teams would be less interested in PANARIN. PANARIN definitely wants to be a UFA. You aren't going to resign him unless you are the Rangers or the Kings. He has already said that is where he wants to play. The only way that he is going somewhere else is if he can't get the contract he wants from the Rangers or Kings after July 1, and decides to take the money he wants to go to another city. So I can't imagine that Columbus is going to get much for him in the end. They should have traded him after last season or at the deadline last year. They would have gotten much more for him including possibly a player who could have helped them last year and this year. They knew he wanted out of Columbus. Now they are stuck with a somewhat toxic asset that they have to unload otherwise they will get nothing in return when he walks away in July.

Vic


Thu Jan 31 2019 1:23 am EST

Speaking of the Bruins, the rumor is that they are hot and heavy on PANARIN right now...the asking price "starts" at DeBRUSK, a top prospect(maybe STUDNICKA?) and their first rounder. I'm not sure what "starts" means...that maybe that's what the Jackets want just to talk seriously...and then maybe they'd do a side deal similar to what the Bolts and Rangers did with JT MILLER...either way, I was kind of struck by how little the demand would be for a forward who is 1. In his prime; 2. Scoring 70-plus points regularly; and 3. an electric player....DeBRUSK is solid and maybe one day will be a 50-60 point player..,but right now, he's struggling with a top-6 role...and while he's 22...certainly with room to grow...there's always a chance he ends up being not much more than he already is...of course, Panarin is a UFA and seems pretty bent on testing the free agency waters...and that lowers his asking price for sure...but by how much? And it's clear, who ever trades for him will have the first crack at signing him...so in other words...the question becomes, is it worth trading for him...and if it is, what is he worth? Got me thinking of a scenario that could land him in New York, where he's rumored to want to play...got me thinking what he might cost the Rangers...and would it be worth it? Could BUCHNEVICH, GEORGIEV, either MILLER or LUNDKVIST and the Tampa pick get it done? I know Jackets fans wouldn't be to pleased with that return...but they'd get an talented NHLer and a good goalie to pair with KORPISALO, so they could move BOBROVSKY...a solid defenseman and either a first or a second rounder...they'd probably want a lot more...and my gut tells me that a deal that would be more likely would be for a swap for another team's expiring star free agent...say DUCHENE...but it's food for thought. Panarin, IMO, would be a HUGE upgrade for the Rangers...him on a line with KRIEDER and Z? Ouch. Dangerous...I know, I know...most of y'all will probably balk at the thought of trading for a guy who we could get for nothing in July...but it's food for thought. Though fans hate losing young talent and prospects...the odds show that when a team trades a haul of such for a genuine star in his prime, the team getting said star almost ALWAYS wins the deal...hell, even the NASH deal, which I absolutely hated, turned out pretty good for the Rangers...though ironically, the Jackets pretty much turned ANISIMOV into PANARIN.

tdchi


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:51 am EST

I'm going to guess that both Zucc and Buch are back tomorrow since we didn't call anyone up.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 31 2019 12:44 am EST

Jonathan Bombulie ‏ Verified account @BombulieTrib .... Penguins' Derick Brassard out with upper-body injury, team says https://shar.es/ammGoS via @TribLIVE

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 30 2019 10:48 pm EST

Pretty dull game after 3 goals on 5 shots for Pittsburgh. Tampa did not look like the juggernaut they have been.

Bob


Wed Jan 30 2019 10:40 pm EST

And the fight of the year between Stamkis and Malkin! :)..I hate MALKIN but I wish ZBAD and, especially, HAYES would learn some of his sneakiness and attitude..HAYES will probaby get it after being traded!

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 10:26 pm EST

RF4L - and doing so while holding Brassard back for a likely trade...another interesting team to watch for moves becasue you know they aare gonna keep going for it..

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:18 pm EST

4 0 Pittsburgh 1/2 way thru the 2nd period.

RF4l


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:08 pm EST

Hospo - You must be reading Eklund if that's the case. Again: The Bruins have ZERO interest in McQUAID. It's why they traded him. And if you don't believe me, take a look at their blueline. Take a look at who they have in Providence. Now take a look at McQuaid. Play a little "which of these things is not like the other..." They have CHARA as their one slow guy among the six...and that's because he's retiring as a Bruin. Sweeney moved McQuaid because the Bruins generate their offense FROM the blueline. It's why they were able to go from a bad/mediocre team to a top team so quickly: McAVOY and KRUG...Even if the Rangers GAVE McQUAID back, the Bruins wouldn't be taking him. So sorry. Not gonna happen. Kick the tradorator.

tdchi


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:04 pm EST

Few thoughts on last night's game...MAN, does Philly suck. I'm frankly amazed that a team that HAS good talent can suck as bad as they did last night. And TBH, I'm still not too sure how they squeaked out that game...Benefit of the doubt, they were on back-to-backs...but what a trainwreck of a team...the Rangers out-hit, out-skated, out-maneuvered, out-everything'd the Flyers except out-score them...and man, the Filthy get a SHIT-TON of help from the pipes...Pipes were the third defensemen...On the Rangers, I can't complain about that outing...a team coming back from more than a week off...they actually looked relatively put together...more so than I expected...STOLARZ: I know someone mentioned something to the effect of 'the Rangers made an AHL goalie look great...' And while that's technically true...Stolarz is still what you would call a minor leaguer...he IS a very decent goalie...and were it not for the uber-hype on Carter HART and Stolarz' injury ridden career this past couple years, you'd probably be hearing Pierre "I'm the newest Flyers' fan" McGuire gushing about him being the second coming of Pelle Lindburgh...At any rate, he's a lot like Ben BISHOP. Huge guy. Moves well in the net. Tracks the puck real well. I would not be surprised at all to see him land a starter's job in the near future...part of the reason he's still with Filthy is that he'd need to drop through waivers...and he'd get claimed for sure...Dave QUINN - Man, does he love shooting himself in the foot. Tell you what: I don't know what his issue with BUCHNEVICH is, and I don't know what his infatuation with Cody McLEOD is...but skating seven D? You're ceding the game essentially...ESPECIALLY in today's NHL...you're asking to lose...tell you what the Rangers' lacked last night: creativity. Too many north-south players. They played the boards well...they possessed well...but they never got STOLARZ moving. All he essentially had to do was puff his chest, move to the top of the crease and absorb any puck that came his way...This is what happens when you subtract ZUCCARELLO and BUCHNEVICH from the lineup...Who has their creativity? CHYTIL perhaps, but he's still young...ZIBANEJAD and HAYES, sure...but outside of that...there just isn't a forward with that kind of vision...this is why ZUCC-Z-KRIEDER did so well...and it's wht BUCH-Z-KRIEDER did so well...you get two guys with good vision on a line together...watch out...Now I don't know what his issue with Buch is...that stupid Brooks article(thanks for wasting my time) didn't lend even an inkling...same idle speculation...but whatever it is...whatever DQ's issue is...well he better resolve it...because unless Buch is on the next train out of town for a player with similar vision...there gonna be A LOT more scoreless games for the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:04 pm EST

Bob....THE?

RF4l


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:00 pm EST

Better odds are Evan Bouchard being traded to the Rangers by Feb 25. Or Willy Nylander. Or Sakic trading Ottawa's first pick. ;^)

RF4l


Wed Jan 30 2019 8:58 pm EST

MF - Have read McQ's name mentioned as a possibity for the Bruins..and I could see it...GORDO can deal with Bos..The Bruins need a player like McQ ...and McQ left the Bruins on decent tersm.....But, he goes to the highest bidder, whoever that may be!

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 8:53 pm EST

mf - Let me give you the odds of a McQUAID reunion in Boston: ZERO. Nadda. None. Not even an inkling of a chance. Better odds of Bobby ORR coming out of retirement.

tdchi


Wed Jan 30 2019 8:25 pm EST

Bob: thought MCQUAIDS name came up here the night we beat Boston 3-2... Wouldn't be surprised to find out that both parties have an interest in reunion.....

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 8:04 pm EST

What could the Rangers get from Boston if they packaged Hayes and THE?

Bob


Wed Jan 30 2019 6:32 pm EST

BUYERS or SELLERS? ...McGuire on TSN690 says he expects the Penguins to use tonight's game as a measuring stick, a lot of what they do moving forward could depend on the result tonight. #LetsGoPens

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 30 2019 6:28 pm EST

Melvillefred.…on 1994….relax ,old friend and take a deep breath. Teams who win a lot ,seldom revisit their most recent Cup as an anniversary. Teams like us ,on the other hand, have to . Just sit back and enjoy the flashbacks to that evening at MSG back in '94. Let's face it, it my be the ONLY one we will ever see in our life time . LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jan 30 2019 6:10 pm EST

Well very exited that SlingBox is working for me in Milford PA so that I can watch the wreck of the Hesperus. He seen a few games so far I continue to be totally disappointed with Butchnevitch. One of the softest players all time. he should be moved while he still has some value. Next up Smith, if possible followed by Zuuuch and then Nieves or Namestnikov. One of the 2. Is just me or does anyone else get tired of hearing this shit about celebrating the ‘94 Team. Almost 25 years have passed with NO CUP so the strategy by MSG is hey look over there, remember ‘94?! Screw that. I’ll never see a CUP again thanks to this ownership and the Bungler from Banff!!!

Melvillefred


Wed Jan 30 2019 3:27 pm EST

E - I hear ya..I just dont know what a "rebuild" is or, more importantly, what Dolan/Sather/Gordo think is a rebuild..Is it trading every pending UFA and guys that don't fit and just pick up prospects/picks while maybe only augmenting with a few irrelevant/place holder vets in the off season?..or does it involve some premium upgrades via UFA or trade in the off season?..I honestly am not on board with the former but have zero control or say..We will jsut have to wait and see

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 2:35 pm EST

HOSPO: there is no guarantees about anything right now. It’s all hopes, dreams, and the future. Don’t know where this is all going yet. So far, there isn’t an identified superstar that you need to win who isn’t a max contract guy for 3-5 seasons. I wish I had a crystal ball. But MWO doesn’t look all that great right now. That stated, I was fully on board with a rebuild however.

E


Wed Jan 30 2019 2:26 pm EST

Fishpie isn’t even smart enough to make a callup yet. Guess he’s waiting for the genius to tell him. Wafj

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 2:10 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2h2 hours ago Today’s lines at Rangers practice are: 20-93-36 26-13-77 (in for 17) 72-16-90 8-24-89

stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 2:10 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph DQ said Fast was given a maintenance day. Howden will have an MRI later, but he will be out a while. No decision yet on whether there will be a callup from @WolfPackAHL

stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:48 pm EST

MF - Dont count on the Dog named Boo for anything..Have said my piece on him before..He's just....there...skates and does nothing else.......E - Those are huge maybes. and with a high probability of not happening or working..OTOH, neither is the current roster..common denominator is Gordo...we'll see what happens over the next month..

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:33 pm EST

HOSPO: I’ll go the opposite direction with you. What if by trading those guys you end up with more grit with depth, picks and upside? Just waxing but I’m not married to anyone until DQ has the team he wants. That’s when I’ll judge him as a coach. Right now the way I see it DQ has a vision and his team as constructed ain’t it. It remains to be seen how well his template will succeed in the east. I think he wants a WPG type of team. And he has an atrocious version of TB a few years ago. Undersized and no grit. Only they had skill and the New York Rangers? (Insert cricket sounds)

E


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:25 pm EST

VIC: I am suggesting trading our 1st round pick in a package to a team likely to finish Lower In The Standings who have a higher probability of picking higher in the first round.... Higher defined as "earlier."

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:13 pm EST

STEVIE: That is why I said "almost". If you can find me a moron GM that will make a stupid deal like that then sure, I would make that trade. Or lets suppose Edmonton wants to trade the Rangers McDAVID for a late first rounder. I'm all over that one as well. But those aren't the deals that the Rangers usually make when trading away first rounders. They are much more likely to trade a first rounder for the 39 year old carcass of CHRIS KUNITZ.

Vic


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:05 pm EST

Vic you wouldn’t trade 2 low first round picks for one of the #1 -3 pick ?

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 1:03 pm EST

mf: Are you secretly Trader Phil Esposito?

gene_carr


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:51 pm EST

MF: We are 12 months into the start of a rebuild and you are trying to plan how/when they will be doing the one thing that they should almost never do....trade away first round draft picks????

Vic


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:49 pm EST

VIC: what I meant to imply is that looking forward to 3 years out, after we accumulate a 2nd First round pick for this draft and next draft, we will in all likelihood NOT BE in the lower ranks of the league, so it is in years 3 & 4 from now when we should be trading Our 1st round pick to a team likely to pick higher in the first round.... There's going to be some pain on our part, but once we're restocked and deep throughout we should be able to accomplish something along those lines... IMON

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:44 pm EST

Vic: on the rebuild issue: winning a top 3 draft position even 1 time is a challenge, two times? a long shot...... Today's "Fickle Me" is thinking we must obtain a 2nd First round draft pick for both this year and next...... "IF" we are going to be a middle of the road team, we should be trading our first round pick in a package to a "suckier team" for their first round pick, essentially increasing our odds of picking earlier in the first round...... That said, I still think we should go full bore after NYLANDER and sign the Bread Man, PANARIN..... Last night I re-reviewed Calgary's SAM BENNETT'S profile (thank you E who recently brought his name up) ....... Now BENNETT has been in the league for 4 years and does not turn 23 until the end of this season..... This kid is perfect for our bottom 6........ The odd's and time it will take to land an upper echelon 1st line center lead me to think that if we were ultra strong on the wings, and Deep throughout the 4 lines, with a solid Defense, and a team Defense Mindset, we can definitely compete for and win the cup......

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:22 pm EST

MF: That is pretty much what BOO is. The Rangers really don't have anyone better to play that role. He skates well. That is about all you can say on the positive side about him. You can trade him if you want but who out there "needs" BOO and what do you think you are going to get in return for a 25 year old borderline AHL player that doesn't seem to do much of anything well except skate. I see no value in trading him as he isn't holding anyone back. If/when the Rangers find someone better for that role they can farm him back out again. I doubt he would get claimed. And I guess there is always the chance (however remote) that he has some kind of epiphany and all of the sudden becomes a player that can actually do something productive. Either way BOO isn't hurting or helping this team. They aren't going to win or lose because he is the lineup.

Vic


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:18 pm EST

Irving moofman guess some forgot what Keenan did to Kovalev. He can scratch Butchie, but you need 12 forwards unless you really have a strong top 9 . After 10 days off , it wasn’t a good idea.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:14 pm EST

It would be a lot more entertaining if the nyr got a dose of rhoid rage instead of being hemorrhoids.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:13 pm EST

Legs: Next game DQ should put BUCH out there every other shift regardless of the other two on the line... Give him 35 minutes of game time

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:12 pm EST

VIC: then BOO needs to be traded his value is not much more than a place-holder afaic........

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:12 pm EST

Irving moofman the truth hurts and is stranger than fiction. Negative is what the coach tried. It’s not the methods it’s the results. Fishpie Nero is playing with his fiddle.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:08 pm EST

MF: On BOO, he is a big enough kid to be that kind of a physical player. But there is no fight in that dog. He doesn't seem to have an ounce of aggression in him. To be an agitator like that you have to play like a miserable SOB. He doesn't. And at 25 I don't think that is something he is going to "learn". You are kind of either born with it or you aren't. Nobody had to teach AVERY how to be an asshole. He was born that way......

Vic


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:05 pm EST

Legs: Keep up the negativity and you're gonna lose the, "Cannoli Classic!"

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:02 pm EST

Just another lose for Hughes strategy

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:51 am EST

Seven D-men does not work,it just screws up the forward lines.....stop ...stop it...stop it already !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:42 am EST

RF4L: Barron is definitely becoming an intriguing prospect. One of the concerns I've read about him is that his skating might need some work. Hopefully he gets with a skating coach like Point/Boyle and others have done in the past.

RDW


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:30 am EST

Y’all also don’t know how Buch has looked in practice.

E


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:23 am EST

Changers

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:22 am EST

No game-hangers on the the NY Rangers..... That,and the crapshoot that is drafting in the top 3 of the entry draft, is a good reason to go after NYLANDER before the deadline or after this season, AND sign PANARIN..........OAN: Can BOO Nieves become our brick shithouse hit anything and agitate the everyone of a 4th line PF who can take faceoff's???? I think we still need a wing that can play that way for the 3rd/4th line........

mf


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:19 am EST

I'm sure liking what I'm reading lately about Morgan Barron. I wonder if he'll start appearing on top prospects lists soon (and no, not top 10 but top 50). His lack of experience prior to joining Cornell when you compare him to many others is stunning. Two years of what I think was triple A hockey in Nova Scotia, followed by 2 years at a Nova Scotia private school, then 2 years at a Toronto area private school. I'm not sure of the competitive level of any of these circuits but suspect it wasn't overly high. As a freshman last year, in 33 games he scored 5 goals and 18 points. This year in 19 he's smashed those figures to bits - 9 goals and 21 points. He turned 20 early last month - what is this kid's upside and if he's the real deal selected 174th (6th round) what a steal!

rF4L


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:08 am EST

STEVIE - Wow. LB with some real novel ideas and insight in to the Buch Baby saga............Always love to see Pilot Boy..AK27 brought up..Probably the most skilled and at times frustrting player the Rangers ever had..BUCH should take a look at how (sometimes!) KOVY could play with both skilled players and grinders...His game 6 performance and others during those POs was a big reason for the Cup and Mess's single handedly beating the Devils in Game 6...Still one of my fave Rangers of all time..brain farts and all..

Hospo


Wed Jan 30 2019 11:07 am EST

“Buchnevich is a pending restricted free agent. The trade deadline is fewer than four weeks away. Subtracting talent would not seem to be part of the plan, but the Rangers need to know just who and what they have here as they go about their business. The shame of it would be if they already do know.”

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 10:21 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/29/whats-behind-rangers-stunning-scratch-of-pavel-buchnevich/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Wed Jan 30 2019 9:54 am EST

Vic.....amen!! Every one forgets about Kovy's game 6 performance. NONE of our young players are even close to his talent level. Only time will tell....

kitchen1


Wed Jan 30 2019 8:31 am EST

TD: I don't disagree. The year after the Rangers made it to the Finals was the peak for that team, as a whole, and most of the individuals. They were an EXCELLENT regular season team and deserved the President's Trophy. In fact, if I recall correctly, they beat all of the West Coast teams in their own buildings through the course of the year. Everyone was bought into AV's system and MSL was the unquestioned leader of that team. But in the end while it was a great regular season team it wasn't a great playoff team. When everything gets more physical and everything tightens up that team failed. Because again, they lacked any top tier elite players who could put the team on their back and will their way to playoff wins. It is what happens when you have a team full of good players (which the Rangers did). Even when most of them are playing well (which was the case). And I'll put this is terms that people here can remember. When the chips were down and the Rangers needed a forward to step up and dominate a game single handedly they didn't have anyone capable of doing that. In the 94' Cup run the Rangers were down 3 games to 2 and were about to be eliminated by the Devils. They were down 2 to 0 through most of the 2nd period after RICHTER had stood on his head in the first period to keep the game even that close. And that is when AK27 took over the game. Through the end of the 2nd period and all through the 3rd period he was a MONSTER. He single handedly broke the Devils trap. They couldn't stop him or even contain him. MESSIER gets all of the credit in that game because of the guarantee and hat trick but it was AK27 who put the Rangers on his back and willed that team to a win in game 6. The playoffs are so long and grueling. It is so hard to win more then 2 rounds. It really takes either a tremendous team or tremendous good luck/fortune to get the Finals. And if you look back at the teams that win Cups you will almost always find a guy (or guys) on those teams that had the talent and ability to rise to the occasion and put a team on their backs to win pivotal games. We can argue and debate how best to build a Cup winning team (i.e. rebuild vs retool). But at the end of the day if the Rangers don't have at least 1 (if not 2 or 3) elite young players that have the talent, confidence and will to put a team on their back then I can't look at that team as anything other then being a mediocre team. I don't care what they do in the regular season or how many playoffs they make. If you don't have players that can be an unstoppable force when your team needs it the most then you are just a good team that can only win if all of the stars align and lady luck clears the path for you. You are just another team walking into the casino and putting all of your money down on one number on the roulette wheel.

Vic


Wed Jan 30 2019 7:35 am EST

tradestar28......try a new drug.

kitchen1


Wed Jan 30 2019 7:24 am EST

R Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Igor Shesterkin has posted a 21-3-1 record, along with a 1.20 GAA, a .948 SV%, and 8 SO in 25 KHL appearances this season. Since the start of the 2016-17 season, he has posted a 76-9-4 record, along with a 1.53 GAA, a .939 SV%, and 23 SO in 92 KHL appearances. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 30 2019 7:13 am EST

NGERS PROSPECTS ROUNDUP: LUNDKVIST, BARRON, WALL.... .https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-prospects-roundup-lundkvist-barron-wall/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 30 2019 3:37 am EST

Buch & Hajek for Laine

tradestar28


Wed Jan 30 2019 12:54 am EST

Patrik Laine has 25 goals on the season but only 4 of those have come in his last 25 games. ALSO... Patrik Laine played just 10:55 tonight -- the second-lowest total of his 205-game NHL career... PER Brian Compton ‏ @BComptonNHL .... Patrik Laine played 10:55 tonight, went 12 minutes without a shift in the second period. Has two goals and two assists in the past 17 games. #NHLJets

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:25 pm EST

Well I’m missing the concept of punishment and sending a tough love to Butchie. The coach basically punished his team to give Butchie another message. They should have called up a forward, which they probably will do now. Quinney helped lose that game . There goes that old college try out the window. Maybe fishpie should give the mighty Quinney a timeout up in the skybox.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:01 pm EST

STEVIE - relentless and "in your face" left the building a long time ago! ANd we're gonna trade McQuaid? and some want Krider dealt?

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:00 pm EST

Relentless is sitting out with Buch....

PJ


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:55 pm EST

What happened to relentless?

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:54 pm EST

Call up Peter Holland...The games will then put me to sleep and I won't suffer as much....

PJ


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:52 pm EST

Good to hear the Rangers players felt they played well....

PJ


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:51 pm EST

RF4L - Just Imagine, a line of Littieri, Nieves and Cody McLeod...!!

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:50 pm EST

RF4L - Nah, I was kinda agreeing with you..Gordo should have provided that forward...and unless BUCH did something yesterday, the two brians shhould have worked this out

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:48 pm EST

Rhet: Or the fabulously invisible Vinnie Lettieri!

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:47 pm EST

Hospo: No but you call up someone from the Pack so you have 12 forwards. If there's no time to do that, pressbox him Thursday. That was my point - sorry I didn't express it very effectively.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:38 pm EST

RF4L - well, If the pouting BUCH isnt giving his all and keeps doing the same fuck ups night after niight, why the hell shoud DQ play him? ...ANd who knows how much he's fucking up in practice?..Maybe DQ felt he had to draw the line.....Still it's up to GORDO the clown to provide another forward worthy of playing..and i hope to hell the two are communicating...OTOH, the Rangers have very little worthy and/or ready in Hartford

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:36 pm EST

Does the team bring LIAS back up or do we get to see the great CONNOR BRICKLEY?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:34 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Quinn says that Howden is going to be out for at least "a little while" with his "knee issue." They'll know more tomorrow. #NYR lose, 1-0.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:26 pm EST

Rhet: You gotta pressbox Buch (or anyone else) you recall a forward from the Pack to replace him. I mean they play again Thursday - punish him then. It was a dumb decision.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:25 pm EST

PJ - Ranger - Flyer games just aint what they used to be..microcosm of the regular season NHL

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:24 pm EST

So DQ dresses 11 d-man despite knowing it compromises the Rangers overall game (and basically admitting that to the media). I thought this coach was not buying into the tank concept and wants to win every game all the time and try to make the POs? MMmmm...

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:24 pm EST

I'm usually on the same page with Quinn on the benching's but this one doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What kind of message are you sending when the team just finished having it's last 10 days off? Also, it would've been nice to have him on the PP.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:21 pm EST

was a boring game.. the Rangers put zero pressure on this goalie..

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:19 pm EST

Thought it was a boring game and they were shutout by the Flyers 4th string goalie?.....Rangers didn't give up a lot but if this is the start of the playoff push they are in trouble....Six straight losses to Flyers....Nothing much to be excited about...

PJ


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:12 pm EST

That sucks! They dont play like the old Flyers, in fact they are pretty meek, but I sytill hate them...Backup goalie or not, the goalie played well..Rangers were the better team..but if you dont have the talent to bash the net or score, doesnt matter..Pull the goalie the last two minutes..and Brebdan Smith is up front..:(..Not that he wasnt better thn BUCH

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:11 pm EST

GEO got hosed.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:09 pm EST

Classic NYR loss. Too much down time for the team.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:07 pm EST

CM - yeah, I left that one alone..:)

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:06 pm EST

RDW - Dont really think it was dirty becasue they were both looking t hit each other..Shatt just lost

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:00 pm EST

KIS- that’s quite an image! Lol!

ColoradoMark


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:54 pm EST

I'm not really sure what Dickaletti is talking about. That was a clean hit on Shatty? The puck was nowhere near them. Seemed like a dirty hit by Lindblom to me, maybe I'm wrong

RDW


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:47 pm EST

If they don’t run the goalie they at least need more people in front of this tree. Fucking minor league goalie gonna shit out the rangers

Kis


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:43 pm EST

What a snoozefest.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:21 pm EST

TD, I endorse your comment of 8:25 pm. This was an excellent club for several years or more. It's just too bad no goalie on earth could have stopped that 40-foot Killorn backhander in the scoreless third period of the 2015 ECF Game 7. Okay I kid there. Sort of. Halfway.

Nick


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:13 pm EST

Rangers doing a decent job given they aare only playing with 10 forwards..well..actually 8 if you discount McLeod and Nieves..they gotta crash the net..soemthing that seems so foreign to this team

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:12 pm EST

KREIDER's hnds do seem petrified and he just cant buy one..but he is skating and playing like a beast and has been in the right place all night..I'll take that and hope he runs into one!

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:08 pm EST

Kreider = hands of stone!

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:05 pm EST

Look so tagged. Can’t even receive a puck clean. Namestikov sucks. Why have him on the top line. Get Chytil on the ice more.

Kis


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:05 pm EST

How is those 7 defensemans working out?

rangerlou


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:01 pm EST

Rangers making the Flyers 17th string goalie look like an allstar.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:56 pm EST

Vesey lits of jump. Chytil too.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:50 pm EST

Fancy pancy passing. Again.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:48 pm EST

Zzzzz?zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:45 pm EST

Hayes looks off.... or just shaking off the rust.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:44 pm EST

Rangers announce Brett Howden will not return tonight. Rangers are calling it a knee sprain for Howden and he will be re-evaluated tomorrow #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:41 pm EST

Staal clearly feeling the extended time off. Looks so slow and unreactive so far.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:38 pm EST

Ok Quinney play 3 lines, have fun... the team is boring...

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:33 pm EST

RF4L... Howden injured himself trying to hit a guy.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:32 pm EST

Shawn Hutcheon ‏ @ShawnHutcheon .... Tonight's #WPGvsBOS game is being scouted by #VAN (2 scouts), #BUF, #CHI, #CBJ, #EDM, #FLA (4 scouts), #MIN, #NSH, #NJD (2 scouts), #NYI, #NYR (3 scouts), #OTT (2 scouts), #PIT, #TBL, #TOR.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:32 pm EST

Sportsnet broadcast didn't show the Howden injury. Anyone see it?

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:25 pm EST

Vic - I mean this in no mocking sense, but did you miss it when they won the PRESIDENT'S TROPHY the following season?! So three goals away from a cup and then they come back with the the BEST REGULAR SEASON TEAM IN THE NHL. And that's mediocre?! DUDE. We can split the difference on what makes a top line center...we can split the difference on the value of tanking...we can split the difference on whether a team NEEDS a top-three pick in the lineup...These are all largely subjective arguments...but what you absolutely CANNOT argue is that the Rangers that won the conference one year and were runner up the next after grabbing the President's Troph with a league-leading PLUS-60 differential...that they were "mediocre" in any wild stretch of the imagination! Their very record PROVES, in fact, that they were the exact OPPOSITE of mediocre. The 2014-2015 team was either a leader or among the leaders in all statistical categories...they were a phenomenal team, which was why it was so disappointing that they didn't cross the finish line. Did they have their moments in the gutter? Of course! So does every great team. But you just can't argue with any sort of reason or logic that the Rangers...AT LEAST from 2013 through 2015...were mediocre! Even Tortorella's 2011-2012...runner up to the President's Trophy. Conference Finals. Just no way you can call that team mediocre. You can't! There is just no argument. They were a very good team...even during the later Tortorella years...even the ill-fated strike-shortened 2013 team wasn't bad...those teams might have lacked YOUR prerequisites...but there was no one calling the Rangers a mediocre team when they went to the conference finals three times in four years...Now if you want to say the Renney Rangers were mediocre? SURE! They were! Ditto with the early Tortorella teams. ZERO argument there.

tdchi


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:19 pm EST

One too.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:19 pm EST

All that time in the offensive zone, did we get n real shot?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:16 pm EST

Fancy pancy passing Rangers. Geeessshh.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:13 pm EST

It seems like everytime we try to do the 11/7 thing, a forward always gets hurt.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:09 pm EST

Howden has left the game. Rangers down to 10 Forwards.

RF73


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:09 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... And now not some good news for the Rangers as Howden heads straight to the locker room following a short shift. Blueshirts now down to 10 forwards. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:02 pm EST

Sportsnet broadcasting this game. Gord Miller and Pierre Maguire. Maguire gushing over the Flyers. WTF. Nob...

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:00 pm EST

PP sux. Again.

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:55 pm EST

What a defensive fuster cluck goal that was. Gotta say I find it amusing when they show DQ after shitbox play like that!!

RF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:47 pm EST

Colombus fans are already booing PANARIN. Keep it up BJ fans, anything that will help us get a legit shot at him as an UFA in the summer.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:44 pm EST

Really shitty defense there.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:42 pm EST

What has Brett Howden done in the last 20 games that he shouldn't be benched?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:22 pm EST

Smith on the 4th line? Should be interesting.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:12 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie now2 minutes ago More Pionk on left with Shattenkirk, Smith taking fourth-line rushes with Nieves, McLeod in pre-game. Buchnevich the healthy scratch.

RDW


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:04 pm EST

Buch is so fucked in the head right about now that when he does score a goal... He makes that goofy retarded face... Like "look guys, I did it... I really did it"...

tradestar28


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:02 pm EST

Sather is the man behind the curtain controlling Gorton

tradestar28


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:00 pm EST

Hospo... That is a funny Wizard of Oz reference with Buch.... When I was reading it... I had to think for a second about each character.... Tin man = rusty, robotic like, non fluid, Scarecrow = no brain or hockey smarts, Lion = lacking courage or balls.... This sounds very accurate!

tradestar28


Tue Jan 29 2019 6:33 pm EST

E - I am not disagreeing on the way he plays...just wondering/disagreeing on the why...Just dont buy the big ice thing but the way he plays most of the time he's the Tin Man, Lion and Scarecrow wrapped into one --No heart, no courage, no brain...but but he has the telent and size which makes it so frustrating!.....RF4L - he pushed back and whined with AV..he seems to be doing the same with DQ....Maybe DQ can reach him with this...I hope so..but I wouldnt hold my breath

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 5:29 pm EST

Hospo that is their link....rf4l butchie almost never smiles, he appears to be having problems , especially in not listening to the coach who is trying to break what he sees as his bad habits....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 5:28 pm EST

HOSPO: it’s just an observation I’ve made over the years. He still lives in the perimeter where he can hold the puck and extend the play, dart in and feed or shoot. On the small ice you can’t do it. The time and space ain’t there. And so a guy who looks like a very skilled player and high end guy gets smothered out and their game just isn’t dynamic enough. Zherdev went back to the big ice and looked much better. Buch in reality just might not be a guy who can or will adjust to small ice. He doesn’t want to play gritty enough to get in there with a hard hat and manufacture offense. But don’t get me started on his backchecking.

E


Tue Jan 29 2019 5:18 pm EST

I think it's pretty clear something's going on between Buch and DQ that is more than simply a young player struggling to find his confidence and game. My gut feel is Buch is pushing back in some manner - perhaps he disagrees with the coach's approach and assessment and direction on how to resolve matters. To what degree he's pushing back I've no clue but DQ seems too frustrated for it to be simply a kid struggling. If I'm right and things don't change (re Buch doesn't change), Buch won't be back next year. I hope Buch wakes up - the Rangers aren't exactly brimming with young skilled forwards with NHL experience.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 5:14 pm EST

STEVIE - One of the reasons why I though DQ was dressing 7 D-men...but....was that link maker you? or some other pissed off Ranger fan? The headline says "David Quinn gets extreme to send Pavel Buchnevich message" yet the Link is "david-quinn-screws-over-rangers-lineup-to-send-buchnevich-message"..Funny stuff

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 4:51 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/29/david-quinn-screws-over-rangers-lineup-to-send-buchnevich-message/

stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 4:42 pm EST

Can't wait for IGOR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxxSIX3fmmo

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 4:36 pm EST

I’m wondering if Buch will be a throw in on a multi-player deal, or a Strome for Spooner type deal (underachievers swap).i can see the Rangers dealing as many as 5-6 players by deadline. Zucc,Hayes,claeson, McQuaid, buch or Smith (eat half $)

Puckyou


Tue Jan 29 2019 2:39 pm EST

So is Butchie headed to zherdov status? He’s young but fishpie has to figure it out.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 2:19 pm EST

E - Perhaps I am being a bit hard on the BUCH, but I think you are being way too easy with this "big ice" rigamarole...He's been here long enough for that to not even be consideration..It's more of a spoiled brat syndrome..The guy just refuses to work, expects things to come to him and has a negative Hockey IQ..If he put in the physical and mental effort to correct things it would be a different story

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 2:04 pm EST

Stevie: Buch is a big ice player who in my dumb eye just hasn’t adequately adjusted to small ice. He loafs and that’s a big ice thing. Some guys have tremendous skills that just never translate to the small ice. More and more Buch is looking at one of those guys. Goaltending is a bit different. Behind the net is a different flow but in front? Stopping pucks is stopping pucks. You either can or can’t. I’ve always contended that goaltenders who play big ice hockey have had little difficulty moving to the small ice.

E


Tue Jan 29 2019 2:01 pm EST

“I’ve said this before: I don’t love playing seven ‘D,’’’ Quinn said at Tuesday’s morning skate at the Garden. “But sometimes there are things more important than that.’’.....Asked after Tuesday's morning skate whether it is the same thing over and over with Buchnevich or something new every time that gets to him, Quinn said Buchnevich keeps repeating the same transgressions. “It’s pretty much the same thing over and over again,’’ he said. “Bad habits are hard to break.’’ Asked if Buchnevich’s mistakes are ones he makes when he doesn’t have the puck, the coach said, “Yeah.’’ Then he added, “and sometimes with the puck.’’

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:58 pm EST

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-flyers-1.26570556?utm_source=tw_sp

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:56 pm EST

Agree Buch is done...If you are benched in favor of 7 D and one of them is Smith you are hurting for sure....Vesey is another one who better pull his head out of his arse and quick...

PJ


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:54 pm EST

E I heard similar things about Butchie and others. I hope you’re right, but I’ll wait until he’s in the nhl .

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:41 pm EST

And I also don’t rate this season on a win/loss metric. I wanted to get 3-4 prospects to turn into NHL regulars with upside. I’m hoping for the same next season. I will be disappointed if they are languishing in the same position in the standings next season, this time. I’m hoping that they can eek into the playoffs.............. one thing that I think is being lost in this rebuild is that they do have a blue chip prospect that rarely gets mentioned in the light of the Lias, Chytl crowd. That is Igor. That kid is legit and could be a dominant goaltender for a long time to come. One can have hope that their future in nets could be locked down for a long time as Lundqvist fades away.

E


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:35 pm EST

And Buch scratched. Again. Gotta figure that he's gone from the 4th line to the pressbox in the space of 10 days and during those 10 days no games were played because he didn't put in the proper effort at the practices that have renewed since the break. Too bad. There's talent there without a doubt but the willingness (or ability) to compete and commit isn't there. Is he that much of a malcontent? Or is his confidence completely shot? Either way, at the risk of sounding dramatic this kid has to realize he's possibly frittering away his NHL career.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:30 pm EST

7 defensemen? LOL...and when has that every been effective? Like NEVER. Just stupid. I guess Pionk is back - he was really not very good for at least 2 weeks prior to getting hurt AFAIC. If he picks up where he left off, he needs to go to the pressbox. Or Hartford. Wouldn't be the end of the world either.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:29 pm EST

VIC: I don’t think he is a generational talent. At least in the sense of a McDavid type. He’s more along the lines of a Kane, Matthews, Eichel. Maybe an argument could be made that Matthews is a rung above. He will be an elite goal scorer. He’s a very good catch in the top of a draft. He’ll be an annual all star guy. Lafrenière will be the next generational level talent. He will be a dominant force for many years. I would want him 10 out of 10 as a number-1 overall.

E


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:20 pm EST

As for the current Rangers and the day to day lineup changes and roster moves........I really don't give a shit. I watch the games. But beyond that I see no future in 90% of this roster. So few of them (if any) will still be here when this team is ready to actually compete for a Cup that it is hard to care about any of them. This is all like some bizarre extended preseason where none of it matters or will matter for years.

Vic


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:15 pm EST

On GORTON, I do give him credit for what he did. But it was a year or two too late. And now we will get to see to what extent they are really willing to rebuild. Are they going to rebuild and try to build a really strong team built around some young elite players. Or are they going to cut this short and try to make the playoffs as quickly as possible? I'll save any criticism I have for GORTON once we find out which course it is. And BTW, I didn't get a chance to watch much of the WJC. I missed the first 10 minutes of the Final game but watched the rest. I have to say I was "underwhelmed" by JACK HUGHES. Didn't look like a generational talent to me. Looked like a good player but from all of the hype I was expecting more. His brother impressed me a hell of a lot more. Maybe that was just one game. I don't know. Like I've said before, people put waaaaaay tooo much stock into what happens at the WJC.

Vic


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:11 pm EST

TD: First, that Ranger team was built to make the playoffs consistently. And after having gone through the 15 year dark period DOLAN wanted his playoff money and the fans wanted to watch playoff hockey. I get it. But it was always a mediocre team. It was built to make the playoffs and if all of the stars aligned and the angels sang and luck went their way they could maybe win a Cup. But if it happened it was a total long shot and a 1 and done deal. And for all of that it almost happened. The drew a patsy Filthadelphia team in the first round but nearly blew that series. They had to win it in 7 games. Then then played the Pens, who were on their way to mopping the floor with the Rangers when MSL's Mom died. They rallied around MSL and came back from the 3 games to 1 deficit to win that series as the angels smiled upon them. But we all knew it was going to be for naught when the Bruins used them like toilet paper as they ALWAYS did. Except the Bruins shocking lost to the POS Montreal team that was essentially the same as the Rangers. A good team with a great goaltender. And then in game one they lose their great goaltender. So the Rangers make it to the Finals because every possible thing that could have happened to save them from themselves happened. But in the end it was the lack of talent that cost the Rangers in the finals. They couldn't score when they needed to. They had open nets that they completely missed. Others that they hit the post on. KREIDER did it several times. NASH was his usual invisible self in the playoffs and didn't do what they brought him in to do. So I say all of that to say that I don't want to go through that again..... I don't want them to build a team that can make the playoffs but only win a Cup if every miracle from heaven graces them. Because that is like going to a casino and dropping all of your money on a single number on the roulette table. Every once in a while you see someone win that bet. But it is really just a sucker bet.

Vic


Tue Jan 29 2019 1:02 pm EST

Bob.....sorry but I don't think Buch would score 30 playing with TGO himself.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 29 2019 12:40 pm EST

Irving moofman ain’t that a kick in your can-noili? ...Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 1h Ok, Rangers are dressing seven D tonight. Brendan Smith is in. Buchnevich is out. “He’s gotta play better,” DQ says of Buchnevich..... can’t do that if you’re not playing.... maybe the next game when zucchini is back they can play 5 d ....

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 12:24 pm EST

Too bad the expansion draft isn't this offseason, we could leave him unprotected.......... LEGS: your last post has been declared "a rant" and counts against the "Cannoli Contest!"

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 12:17 pm EST

BOB - I think EDM would have to have another coach before that happens..cant see HITCH, hell- most coaches, wanting anything to do with him...He would have to be forced on him by a GM taking a risk..

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 12:13 pm EST

Buch is going to be a throw-in to one of these deadline deals. Face it, Quinn is the anti-AV and neither of them have any use for Buch. Buch should be in Edmonton. He would fit in there and score 30 playing with McDavid.

Bob


Tue Jan 29 2019 12:09 pm EST

So playing smith and 7 d is better than Butchie or calling up another forward? Good luck coach.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:55 am EST

Typo, Rhet0ric. Typo. But yes. Three goals. That was the difference between the Rangers and the Cup. If they win those three OT games, that’s it. We’re not having this discussion. You’re sailing by the REAL point, which is that if pure calling the Rangers 2011-2016 mediocre, then you’re definiton of mediocre thereby encompasses AT LEAST 25 other franchises in the league. I would argue 29. There was nothing mediocre about those Ranger teams. They were REALLY good. The fact they didn’t hoist the cup doesn’t make them mediocre.

tdchi


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:53 am EST

DQ may have received orders from up above to get Smith in the game because BUCH could have been benched in lieu of o forward

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:50 am EST

Well...DAVE QUINN seems all about winning every game he plays so he must have a strongr motive if he drresses 7D..First off, I have no clue why...Maybe he thinks the forwaards he will dress only hurt the team not help?...Maybe a shot at GORDO and saying..look what I have to do with what you give me?.....or...Maybe it's his last attemt with BUCH or any other forward not being dressed saying---this is how much I think of your effort and play....No matter the reason, it's not a good sign

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:45 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nb9jJg_wIU&start_radio=1&list=RD-nb9jJg_wIU&t=0

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:42 am EST

Buch is looking like a star.....in the KHL.

Bob


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:42 am EST

Quinn dressing seven D. Why...why...WHY!!! You are pretty much saying “let’s lose this one boys!” It is perhaps the most confusing coach move I can think of, Dave for maybe pulling your goalie in a tie game...and BUCHNEVICH is scratched...I know the focus is on the big ticket names as the deadline approaches...but I would NOT be surprised in the least if BUCHNEVICH is wearing a different jersey at some point in the near future.

tdchi


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:40 am EST

The sooner BUCH is gone the better..He hasn't earned didley squat..Just anogther pouting low-effort Kamensky..Yet he has so much skill that you dnt want to give him away..Will this bozo ever get it???How can you not when your team chooses to dress somebody like Nieves over you??

Hospo


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:36 am EST

BUCH should keeps his bags packed and be ready to go........

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:33 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph now9 seconds ago More Ok, Rangers are dressing seven D tonight. Brendan Smith is in. Buchnevich is out. “He’s gotta play better,” DQ says of Buchnevich.

RDW


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:26 am EST

Bury them in the AHL until you can find a home I say. Why Smith hasn’t been waived yet I only partially get. He’ll likely clear due to his salary. If not? Thanks for taking him off the New York Rangers hands.

E


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:25 am EST

Shattenkirk has trade value, Staal is in the drivers seat of his destination, and there is some sort of market for Smith, we may have to eat some salary, may have to settle for a lot less than hoped for, may have to wait until the seasons over, or a combo of all 3..... The only contract I'd consider buying out of those 3 is Marc Staal's "after" next season, the cap hit is minimal and by then the Cap may be around $87million....

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 11:17 am EST

RF4L: I agree on the buyout's of those three however something I mentioned a few weeks ago regarding Smith is getting the guy playing time. Press-boxing him eight out of every ten games doesn't help anyone. I'm not sure if he has a bad attitude or what? I don't think his play has been any worse than most guys when he has played recently but if they get can him playing regularly and he's not completely shitting the bed we might be able to move him.

RDW


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:46 am EST

FWIW, I concur with the article about Gorton needing to be careful about buying out any of Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith. The extended financial penalty is too prohibitive. All 3 d-men will be off the payroll in 2 years (July 2021). Guess what will still be on their payroll for 2 more years AFTER that? The Dan Girardi buyout penalty. A wiser strategy is to try to trade any of the 3 and if it means eating salary to do so, so be it - much preferred over an extended penalty beyond 20/21. Easier said than done of course, especially considering Staal's NMC and Smith's shitty play. The latter, as a last resort, could be buried in the minors - that'll save about $1,000,000 on the cap.

rF4l


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:25 am EST

and the elephant in the room ...."Smith presents a different case than Shattenkirk and Staal. Unlike those players, the Rangers have gotten little to nothing out of the former Detroit Red Wing since inking him to his four-year contract extension before 2017-18. That disastrous season ended with him in the minors, and he’s turned in another ineffective effort this season after getting off to a strong start. With no significant future as a Ranger, his contract is perhaps the most tempting to shed via buyout. Rebuild Best Served by Letting Big Contracts Expire Yet it would still be a mistake. The Rangers are better served minimizing the error and limiting the rest of it to two years rather than four. Sending Smith to Hartford for those remaining two seasons, which would give them $1,075 million in cap relief per season for his buried contract, would seem the least painful and smartest option.".....so why is fishpie keeping him on the nyr roster ? ......

stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 10:20 am EST

......from 10/10/18..." David Quinn spoke on Wednesday about accountability and roster management, saying "you don't bench guys for every mistake but, to me, the piece that is non-negotiable is effort." (NYR) Quinn noted that when a decision to bench a guy, or take someone out of the lineup, is made then multiple things are taken into consideration, including how much of a "bank account" they have built up but that "If mistakes are made because of lack of all out effort, then I don't care what your bank account is." (NYR) He said that situations like that lead to conversations of "clarity and explanation" with the player and that "holding guys accountable is his number one responsibility as a coach." (NYR) Quinn said that he doesn't sit people to be a "big tough coach" but that if the Rangers are going to be capable of having success, he needs players to play at a certain level, adding "we need everyone playing to the best of their ability." (NYR).....or some blah blah blah.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:57 am EST

The Hockey Writers ‏ @TheHockeyWriter ..... Rangers Buying Out Their Defense Could Lead to Regret.... https://is.gd/CnyrbJ #THW #NYR #NHL

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:27 am EST

In regard to Penguin fans: As soon as CROSBY retires, the fanbase will just disappear. Just like it did when Lemieux retired. Although, I'm sure Bettman will still be there to bail them out in the draft. That's the only way that franchise can survive ...TD... Math may not be my strong suit but you can't win a cup with only three wins. They were three wins away not two. Also: Should we not bring up the fact that Hank gave up some bad OT goals? In game 1 he only faced two shots on goal before giving up the game winner. .IMO, game 2 was the real killer for us. If he could have held n to a lead in game two it's a whole new series. It's always that we didn't score enough goals for Hank, never that he was outplayed in that series. He saved his worst hockey for the Stanley Cup Finals, but it's always the team that lets him down, right?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:12 am EST

he got feet down below his knees

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:10 am EST

he got walrus gumboot

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:10 am EST

he got toe jam football

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:05 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/28/mats-zuccarellos-likely-rangers-goodbye-is-not-starting-well/

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 9:04 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/28/former-islander-wants-to-remain-part-of-rangers-solution/

mf


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:50 am EST

My god Vic. You look at the Rangers and say they're good but never contenders. But reality has a serious disagreement with you. For F's sake, they were TWO WINS away from the cup. I broke it down once before, but it was something like THREE goals stood between them in a championship...and yet you say "well the were good...but..." C'MON MAN! Lighten up, Francis! I mean, I'm not even sure why I'm bothering, because I seriously think this team could win the President's Trophy, lose the cup in a quadrupedal OT game 7 and they would still be 'mediocre' in your estimation...And then we bring in this silly notion of tanking as if it is THE ONLY way to get to the cup...Well, listen to that race car driver. Do you think he's going to take his foot off the gas in a race? I just can't even get how you subscribe to this logic...You're sitting here blasting the Rangers for doing the same-ol' same'ol'...and meanwhile the reality is, we have a GM that is doing EXACTLY what so many have wanted around here: Building from the ground up. And because he's not dressing the Wolfpack in New York, he's embracing mediocrity?!? The guy traded McDONAGH, a move that takes A LOT of fucking balls, IMO. NASH, less so...but STEPAN too...all ballsy moves. By all accounts, he knocked it out of the park last year in the first round...drafted an impact winger and two studs...he landed two excellent centers the year before. He's got four...arguably five...solid goaltending prospects, including a blue chipper...The only place where I think you'd have an an argument that Gorton is spinning his wheels is his second and third round drafting...but even there, he's landed some decent pieces...so I really don't get what your bitch is here, except for that the Rangers aren't purposely losing to draft Jack HUGHES, who, while good, is no generational talent anyway...actually, a GREAT comparison would be Clayton KELLER...but I digress. Rant over.

tdchi


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:28 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin starts in goal today for SKA. He has posted a 6-0-0 record with a 0.67 GAA, a .967 SV%, and 3 SO in his last six appearances, and he has also posted a 20-3-1 record with a 1.21 GAA, a .947 SV%, and 8 SO in 24 KHL appearances this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:16 am EST

You know, when I posted yesterday about COLIN CHAPMAN and again just a few minutes ago I thought about some of his other quotes and sayings. He was the kind of guy I wish owned the Rangers. He was as driven a person as you will ever find to WIN. It was all consuming to him. This is what he wrote down in his notes almost 45 years ago when he was planning a new F1 race car......... " 1. A racing car has only ONE objective: to WIN motor races. If it does not do this it is nothing but a waste of time, money, and effort. This may sound obvious but remember it does not matter how clever it is, or how inexpensive, or how easy to maintain, or even how safe, if it does not consistently win it is NOTHING!.... 2. Having established this what do we have to do to make it win: (i) Simply stated it must firstly be capable of lapping a racing circuit quicker than any other car, with the least possible skill from the driver, and doing it long enough to finish the race. (ii) After this, and only after this, and with absolutely no compromising of objective (2)(i) one has to consider how expensive it is, how simple, how safe, & how easy to maintain, etc. NONE of these aspects must detract one iota from (2)(i). “Good enough” is just NOT good enough to win and keep winning. "........This is a guy who would never have been satisfied with building a team that made the playoffs consistently but was never really a Cup contender. His only measure of success would have been winning Cups. It is a shame that we don't have people like him owning professional sports franchises these days. They are mostly owned by corporate entities with detached and mildly interested CEOs. They all see each other as partners in a business now instead of competitors that need to be crushed. A month or so ago TORTS was lamenting that the players are all friends now.....that there is no hatred between them anymore. Well, the owners are the same way.

Vic


Tue Jan 29 2019 8:05 am EST

Submarine race watchers .....34 games to go a possible 68 points . They have 49 , so they probably need to get at least 45 of the 68 . That’s a tall order after only getting 49 from 96. How can they go 22-12 ? 21-20-7 is really less than 500 cha cha hockey. 10 points behind getting a spot. They need to get more than hot.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 29 2019 7:53 am EST

TD: First, I'm an engineer not a lawyer. ;-)... Second, just like NYSTRANGER (and you) I hate the Pens and their fans. They aren't my most hated team but they are close to the top. But that doesn't mean I have to suspend common sense and logic when I talk about them and their history. That doesn't mean that I can't recognize brilliant and creative management that gave that team the opportunity to win 5 Cups. You should take a step back and have some objectivity. A good idea is a good idea not because of who suggested it, but because of its objective merits. And objectively speaking Pens management hit a home run twice. You just can't argue with that and I don't know how you can't have at least a little respect for achieving what is supposed to be everyone's goal.....Winning Cups. It isn't about building good teams....it is about Winning Cups.

Vic


Tue Jan 29 2019 6:57 am EST

“We all know what time of year this is and what that brings. It’s the same every season,” Ryan Strome told The Post in advance of Tuesday’s second-half opener at the Garden against the Flyers. “There’s going to be all sorts of talk about the [Feb. 25] trade deadline, that’s going to be all over the media and all the fans will be talking about it, and rightfully so. “It’s exciting stuff and it’s fun for people to speculate. We all get that. But I can tell you this, and what people who aren’t in the room might not realize, but on every team that I’ve ever been on, whether it’s a rebuilding team or a Cup contender, players come in here with pride every day and to try to win every game. “There is no doubt in our mind or our coaches’ minds that we have the ability here to make a run at making the playoffs. That’s uppermost in everybody’s mind. We have to play very well. We have to get hot. We know that. But that’s our challenge. That’s the message here.”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:15 pm EST

Nice move by Dubious. Nothing off the roster, a top 4 dman with a reasonable contract and done now vs deadline allowing more time to assimulate.

RF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:54 pm EST

Td, not defending them. I effin hate them and for that in particular. Just agreeing that they did not cheat or break any rules. They saw a loophole and took advantage of it. Was is a greasy, dirtbag thing to do? Yup.

NYStranger


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:52 pm EST

Ha...Flyers beat the Jets and the Devils thump the Penguins.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:32 pm EST

TD: Re the Bolts and their chances. I wasn't arguing that they aren't the clear favourites - I was saying the rival teams like Boston, Toronto, Washington and Pittsburgh aren't about to throw their arms up and 'OMG, we can't beat them so no trades'. Hell, the Leafs proved my argument like 2 hours after I posted it with the Muzzin trade.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:29 pm EST

TD: I know you love Miller but come on dude - the return Muzzin fetched is McD like? Huh? Really? A first and a second (that might be first), Howden and Hajek? Let's be nice and remove the 2nd so it's Name and that 2nd for Miller (and that's really arguable), meaning a first, Howden and Hajek compares to what the Kings got for Muzzin? Not in my books!!!

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:28 pm EST

Schneid it is what it is. I still think it’s gonna be a good market. It’s an arms race and a lot of teams are looking for players that give them the playoff depth and the ability to let them walk if it doesn’t work out

E


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:05 pm EST

RF4L - They may not think that...but in truth, that's the reality. All of those teams would need a god-given miracle to get through the Bolts. Sure it could happen. Might even happen. But let's just say the odds are very heavily stacked against it happening.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:02 pm EST

John GILMOUR has three goals so far in the AHL all-star game.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 8:55 pm EST

E: big concern on returns are the supply v demand scale.... Flyers GM just announced they will trade any player not named Claude Giroux (same player the NYRs passed over to draft NJ born Sanguinetti)... alot of players available....

schneidw


Mon Jan 28 2019 8:50 pm EST

HOSPO: Stakes are higher after Muzzin trade... so who is seeking a 2nd line center and will target your fav. Hayes?? I read Winnipeg is seeking help.... need to start a bidding war.... Sure hope Gorton is up to the task... NYRs need to try and find a way to dump bad contracts like Smith and Shattenkirk this year at the deadline so they can free up cap space and try and jump start the rebuild via UFA signings, trades and their own prospects...

schneidw


Mon Jan 28 2019 8:37 pm EST

NYStranger: I wouldn't worry about trading timelines. The market is just materializing and all the GM's have let each other know who they'll part with and what they want. As the market matures and a few players move other teams will be aggressive to get who they want. And teams will definitely be wanting the likes of McQuaid, Zucchini, and Hayes. They'll yield a decent return when the ball gets rolling.

E


Mon Jan 28 2019 8:03 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/lundqvist-may-not-want-to-see-zuccarello-go-but-the-rangers-will-be-better-for-it

mf


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:58 pm EST

I've never been a huge MUZZIN fan...always thought he was a little overrated...but man, did he command a McDONAGH-like return...kind of makes me wonder what Toronto would have ponied up for McDonagh last year...probably at least that and then some, and we could've kept MILLER...I know the McD trade will need to shake out over the next decade, but right now I can't help but feel we got the lesser of the deal...Solid players, but I'm not sure if any will amount to what we traded.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:56 pm EST

One trade partner down , hang in there fishpie, you might get the leftovers

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:54 pm EST

Sweet Lord. Maybe this place should be called Penguins Fan Central. I cannot believe any of you would defend what that shitbag organization did.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:49 pm EST

SCHNEIDW _ yep, good deal for the KIngs..good deal for the Leafs..I like their aggressiveness in getting Murzzin now..They better not stop there and only go halfway..Need a good phsycal forward also...screw the picks and prospects (for them), it's their time to go for it....Hope other teams try to answer..

Hospo


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:36 pm EST

TDICHI: Yeah, I agree... a prospect, #1 pick and another solid young player is a nice deal for the Kings... since Muzzin has another year and reasonable salary.. I view this as a win win trade... nice...

schneidw


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:33 pm EST

The Oilers were linked heavily to Jake Muzzin. wont they be happy t learn that we can give them Brendan Smith at a much lower price.... How stupid do the Penguins feel for literally letting Jamie OLEKSIAK go for peanuts? That is unless you believe they had a prior handshake deal in place from 2-years ago.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:28 pm EST

Wow. Kings got a pretty darn good return for MUZZIN. GRUNDSTROM is a solid prospect. So is DURZI. And a first rounder, which will probably be in the low 20s.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:21 pm EST

Yup, Rangers keep delaying for a better deal they likely will be the one left without a seat...duck, duck,...

NYStranger


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:20 pm EST

Vic, I agree that it is not cheating when you take advantage of the rules (or lack there of). We or the NHL may not like what the Pens did and we may have strong opinions on it, but they did not cheat by the then existing rules. I am sure it can be argued that a team must try and win and there very well may be something written into the league owners charter (or whatever it is called). But it is damn hard to prove. And if the Pens were truly in violation back in '83 then the league should have penalized them, not just changed things for the future. I am sure there were back room deals being made back then and they likely still get made. One 'rule' I am sure of. Don't cross Buttman!

NYStranger


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:18 pm EST

Jake Muzzin from Los Angeles in exchange for forward Carl Grundstrom, the rights to Sean Durzi and Toronto’s first-round pick in the 2019 NHL Draft.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:18 pm EST

First big trade. Muzzin to the leafs

Wildcard


Mon Jan 28 2019 6:50 pm EST

Stop the delay. Trade for Panarin and sign him.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 28 2019 6:35 pm EST

Vic - You sound like an unscrupulous tax attorney. Again, when your conduct forces the league to take notice and literally change the rules, whatever you’re doing is dishonest at a bare minimum. “It’s not cheating because there’s no rule” doesn’t hold a drop of water. There was no rule because no one could conceive that a franchise would be depraved enough to ACTUALLY sabotage their season. The Oens not only did tnonce, but twice. And the second time they did it, they came very, very close to landing in Hamilton...because with first liners like Rico FATA, they pretty much lost every dime of revenue and were basically insolvent. And had it not been for Buttman essentially bailing them out, there’s a good chance there wouldn’t even BE a Penguins today...certainly not in Pittsburgh...so I know you love to think this is a genius move by a team...just piss away a season to draft first overall...it’s not a strategy at all...it’s dishonest, disrespectful of the fans and the game overall...not to mention, it’s somethjng just about no other team willingly endeavors. Why? Well like I said. Dishonest. Disrespectful. Disgraceful.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 6:22 pm EST

Panarin's agent announces no negotiations with BJs until after season over. Gotta figure it's definitive now that he's heading for UFAgnecy.

RF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 6:20 pm EST

Dan Milstein-Hockey ‏ Verified account @HockeyAgent1 Follow Follow @HockeyAgent1 More Statement about Artemi Panarin’s future “We have informed the team that we are willing to discuss Artemi’s future after the season. Our priority now is to focus on the rest of the season, trying to win a Stanley Cup for the CBJ & their fans”. No additional comments will be made..

RDW


Mon Jan 28 2019 4:48 pm EST

DREW: Personally, I don't see the Islanders keeping this up, especially once the POs roll around. If they remain competitive they certainly will be capable of putting a scare into an early opponent but beyond one PO round win (which I still believe is a stretch), I simply don't see it happening. They are working hard and playing disciplined hockey but come PO time, everyone does that (at by the 2nd round) and therefore, you need talent to get very far. In the end, this is what stopped the Rangers from getting a cup - a lack of top end skill that resulted in a lack of scoring that ended up causing their defeat against LA and then the following season against Tampa. You need skill to win once the POs arrive, pure and simple.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 4:46 pm EST

TD: Please just reread what you yourself posted. The Pens did something that was withing the rules because there were no rules to even try to prevent it. Then, (just taking your word for it) the NHL made some rules changes to try to prevent it from happening again. By definition the Pens didn't break any rules and therefore didn't cheat. Case closed. The Kangaroo Court is dismissed! Come on TD, let it go. Your hatred of all things Pens is causing you to argue with your own timeline. I'll give you a non-Pens related one so you don't get stressed over it. Did AVERY cheat when he faced BRODEUR and screened him? The answer is NO, he didn't cheat because there we no rules against it. He simply took advantage of the fact that no rule existed that said he couldn't do it. The NHL didn't like it. At all. So that night or the next day (I can't recall which) the NHL passed a rules change to say you can't do what AVERY did. But if you said that AVERY was cheating when he did it you would be flat out wrong.

Vic


Mon Jan 28 2019 4:44 pm EST

Obviously I am not an Islander fan by any stretch of the imagination. I think td may have addressed this a few days ago but they seem to be clicking. What do you guys think (not hope)? I am fearing a Cinderella run and a bevy of texts from my Islander friends this spring.

DREW


Mon Jan 28 2019 4:31 pm EST

TD: Disagree for 3 reasons: 1)The teams I listed as those looking to buy won't be limping into the POs. 2)There's no way teams like the Bruins, Leafs, Penguins and the Caps will be looking at Tampa and thinking 'we have no chance so we're gonna do nothing'. 3) The West isn't gonna concede anything to the Bolts plus they will be in a 3 to 6 way dogfight to get to the final. Who's gonna come out from the group of Jets, Preds, Flames, Sharks and Showers? All of them will be looking to add by the deadline.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 4:24 pm EST

I’m with Rhet0ric here...gonna be more sellers than buyers this year. And with good reason: I just can’t see a team that is going to upset the Lightning this year. I mean, everything can change with an injury and/or once the playoffs start...but I can’t think of a team in the East that is as deep...and likewise with the West. Plenty of good teams...but the Bolts are elite. They have a crazy amount of talent, depth and veteran leadership. Even if they lose a couple of key players, they got others in the minors waiting for their chance...it’s not to say teams aren’t going to go for it...but I think those clubs that are gonna limo into the playoffs as a wildcard seed aren’t going to be mortgaging the future to do so.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:50 pm EST

looks like the coach already started his playoff beard

stevielegs


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:42 pm EST

Oh...other possible buyers are the BJs and the Wild...

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:42 pm EST

Oh of course, the Rangers are sellers. I'd argue outside of the Sens, they have the most attractive set of pending UFAs available. One could point to the Blues as having more available but they've had a resurgence of late and are now pushing for a PO finish.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:40 pm EST

Rhet: Not sure if that's true. Sellers are the Wings (not sure what they have to offer, however), the Kings (not much there, either and from what I read they are asking for the moon for any player available), the Sens (but neither Duchene nor Stone will go until the very last moment due to mad attempts to resign both) NJ (but what do they have to offer other than perhaps BB) and Chicago (another team without much to offer due, like the Kings, to too many long term expensive contracts). Guaranteed looking to buy are the Jets, Preds, Leafs, Sharks, Bolts, Bruins, Caps, Flames, Showers, Penguins, and Islanders. On the fence are the Blues, Panthers, Canes, Sabres, Stars, Aves, Ducks, Coyotes and Canucks. In most cases, all of the latter likely won't end up doing anything but because they're bubble PO teams if anything happens it'll be close to the deadline. To me that's a seller's market...

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:33 pm EST

Vic - that’s interesting logic, but when the NHL is creating rules To deter teams from doing certain things...well...your argument that what the Penguins did was on the up-and-up is rendered pure bullshit. I find you links if you’d like, but what they did in 1983 was anything but honest. There were stories of the GM coming into the coach’s office freaking out because the Penguins were up in a game. There wasn’t a person outside of Pittsburgh that thought what they did was legit. And that’s because it wasn’t. It was a gigantic cheat.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:24 pm EST

It was rumored today that EVGENI MALKIN and everyone on the FLYERS not named CLAUDE GIROUX are available for the right price. Way too many sellers, not enough buyers.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:19 pm EST

More importantly, what does the PENS/STARS trade mean for Adam McQuaid's trade value?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 3:06 pm EST

The Penguins literally rented Jamie OLEKSIAK from the Stars. For two years. For free.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 2:47 pm EST

NHL on NBC ‏ Verified account @NHLonNBCSports .... Bruins’ Rask sidelined with concussion after nasty collision https://twitter.com/NHLonNBCSports/status/1089972131847458816

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 1:44 pm EST

NHL.com just did some draft rankings, and I was somewhat surprised by the guys they have the Rangers drafting...my picks were TURCOTTE, LAVOIE or SUZUKI...all of whom they generally rank as being lower...I have seen BROBERG, who is a heck of a player...never seen the other two: 10. New York Rangers Kimelman -- Arthur Kaliyev, RW, Hamilton (OHL): Finding a dynamic right wing like Kaliyev (6-1, 190) is key for the Rangers after they selected left-shot centers Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil in the first round of the 2017 NHL Draft. Morreale -- Zegras, C: Zegras can find seams in the defense, knows when to shoot, has got deception to his game and is fearless. NTDP U-18 coach John Wroblewski considers Zegras, a left-shot forward, a lethal option on the power play. Lepage -- Broberg, D: Despite his impressive size, Broberg has skating ability that is the envy of his peers. A confident puck-mover, he knows how to find his teammates.

tdchi


Mon Jan 28 2019 12:53 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Zuccarello is unavailable for tomorrow, but should be good to go for Thursday vs. the Devils.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 12:52 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Zibanejad is OK, David Quinn says. Will play tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 12:04 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 8m8 minutes ago So, not sure what this means but Zibanejad went down after shooting a puck during a power play drill and didn’t come back.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:43 am EST

MF: if there was a player truly worth tanking the whole thing it would be Lafrenière. He has Crosby upside. He’ll be a superstar if he chokes. If he reaches his skill Set? He’ll be a generational talent who can turn a franchise into something special. Now watch Edmonton sucks again and ends up drafting him.

E


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:37 am EST

BOB: in particular Anaheim in the times I’ve been there seems especially geared towards kids. I must admit that the “Bro Hymn” goal song is great. Fitting for a team in Orange County. But it does seem to me like a more juvenile version of the Los Angeles Kings. Vegas is sensory overload. It was something of an NBA game on steroids. The drummers, showgirls, light shows and on and on... every TV time-out was some kind of side show and it was a little absurd. But it is Vegas and the team is embracing it in all its gross gaud. SJ balances it out nicely. You’ve got the ever presence of all things Metallica (their unofficial mascots) big opening, but an organ playing all game long. And a goal horn that shakes you on the inside. I still like MSG with its never ending classic organ. And the traditions, but the crowd has morphed and it’s lost so much of what it once was. And I’ve been to a lot of the other arenas. Boston, NJ, NYI, Philly etc... But I would agree that too many arenas have adopted these yelling arena announcers who sound ridiculous. And I still contend I have no desire to see a “show.” It does make the whole thing seem juvenile. I’d much rather an arena to have that old gritty hockey feel. MSG years ago when the NJD or such took the ice it felt like the fans were in a war. Today’s game can’t hold a candle to that old stuff. I was at the Spectrum in Philly back when I was a kid and that place was bedlam. Things have changed and while it’s changed better for the wallet of the league, it’s gotten fans who grew up in the game a little alienated. The NHL was appealing in part because it was different than any other league. Meanwhile, I went to Old Trafford and saw ManU play Arsenal and the atmosphere was just electric. And the score was 1-0. The game itself had a ton of lows and was a little boring at times yet the fans were racious. Reminded me of better days at MSG. And the fans of ManU are amongst the most posh in the league.

E


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:21 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Update will be coming from Rangers, but Zuccarello is dealing with some sort of physical issue. Not trade related. As he has missed both practices, unlikely he will play tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:19 am EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... #NYR Mats Zuccarello is not skating - foot infection. Day to day

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:05 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Zuccarello not skating.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 28 2019 11:00 am EST

But then there is the FREGOSI curse...... The NYR's could "Purge for the Surge" and not get top 2,3,5, lottery picks.... We could "gut this mutha" and not have a shot at HUGHES, Kocken-Balls-Kappo and or next seasons, "LaFrenierre," ...... The highest percentage to acquire a proven talent at an age conducive and consistent with our timeline "seems" to be to trade for NYLANDER, and then with the acquisition of an additional 1 or 2 1st round picks which "will be" in the lottery position....... I'd be happy to hear that we acquired a 2nd "First Round" pick for the Lafrenierre Sweepstakes next season....

mf


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:50 am EST

Sorry, that should have read...HUGE...;-)

Vic


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:50 am EST

And lets talk about cheating in the NHL. Look at what happened with goaltender equipment over the years. Go look at what a goalie looked like in 1975 and compare it to what a goalie looks like now. The pads got HUGH. The gloves and blockers are enormous compared to what they were. And the shoulder and body padding makes them look twice as wide as they used to. All of that is "cheating". Taking advantage of vague rules or lack of rules to manipulate the equipment so as to improve your performance. Guys use illegal sticks all the time but nobody even bothers to call them on it anymore. And if you want to take it a step further into territory that is going to make people uncomfortable......isn't taking out a player a form of cheating? When guys are breaking rules to hit other players illegally causing injuries (especially in the playoffs) is that cheating to gain a competitive advantage in that game or series? SMITH crosschecked SHAW in the face in the Montreal series a few years ago and basically took him out of the game. Wasn't that cheating? Wasn't it cheating when GRAVES broke MARIO'S hand with a slash? He was breaking the rules after all???? So lets put away this entire conversation. And to the Rangers I can only say..."Please cheat!!! Cheat as much as you can!!! Cheat your way to the Cup if you can!".

Vic


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:41 am EST

But back to the philosophical question of cheating. My first thought when I read that was "what are we, 5 years old or something?". Who gives a shit. This is sports, not life or death. Obviously you aren't an auto racing fan. The culture of the entire sport (all levels, every type of racing on every continent) is, was and always will be in part to do everything you can to use the rules to your advantage, and to bend or break them whenever you can. A great quote from COLIN CHAPMAN sums it up best:...."Rules are for the obedience of fools and interpretations of smart men."..... In reality this goes on to a lesser degree in every major sport that you watch or follow. It goes on every day in the NFL and MLB for sure. Teams do everything they can to steal signs, manipulate the playing surface, the ball and even the stadium. I remember when the Giants finally got caught for opening up the tunnels in Giants Stadium to create cross winds in the stadium when opposing teams went to kick field goals. That is hysterical. And most recently we had DEFLATE-GATE, which was absolutely brilliant by the Pats. I still think most folks were so distracted by their hatred of BRADY that they never understood that the Pats weren't doing it for BRADY (or not just BRADY). They were doing it because it helped their running backs and receivers to hold onto the ball and not fumble. Their fumble stats were at the top of the league for years. And in the NFL he who turns the ball over least usually wins. I just wish the Rangers were smart enough to bend or break some rules to give them a competitive advantage. But they aren't interested in bending or breaking rules to help the team on the ice. All DOLAN and crew care about is bending or breaking NHL marketing rules to make as much money as they can for themselves. (see the website issue).

Vic


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:23 am EST

Sorry, busy weekend and I didn't get to post any replies after my DOLAN rant on Saturday morning. TD: No surprise that you see things 180 degrees different then me. But it was your comments about "cheating" that really set me off. I have two separate things to say about cheating. I'll leave the bigger philosophical stuff for the second post. I'll just focus on your use of the word cheating with respect to the Pens in this one. The Pens did not cheat, and suggesting that they did is really absurd. They broke no rules. They violated no edicts from the NHL. They simply did an outstanding job of managing their organization to take advantage of both the stupidity of the rest of the NHL teams and management, and the flexibility to do what they needed to do to obtain generational players. In the real world this is called great management. It is what you need to be a consistently successful company (or sports franchise). And I will guarantee you that you won't find a Pens fan that is unhappy about what their organization did TWICE to put together 2 generations of Cup winning teams and 5 Cups overall. I wish Ranger fans had to "suffer" like Pens fans over the last 30 years. But at least the Rangers did win 1 Cup in the last 30 years. The Pens have 3 since the Rangers won their last. And if the two teams continue to run their organizations the same way they have been over the next 30 years I'd bet the Pens win another 5 Cups while the Rangers win zero.

Vic


Mon Jan 28 2019 10:11 am EST

Hospo: For sure they cannot hang on to him hoping to resign in the summer and I'm certain that's not in the plans. The only way I see that happening is if the decision to trade him is finalized internally and then he gets seriously injured before Gorton can trade him. Such is the risk, however, when you're looking to move any pending UFA. Think about the return Nash fetched and the very real scenario that the concussion he suffered shortly after becoming a Bruin occurred 2 weeks earlier - the Rangers would have nothing for him.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:56 am EST

rF4L.....LOL. Can barely put together a Post let alone write a Book.... :>)

Melvillefred


Mon Jan 28 2019 9:15 am EST

RF4L - I hope so on all fronts..I hope the Rangers were talking to HAYES and/or his people this last week and need to make a decision soon---extend/work to extend or just move on becasue the demands are too high and trade for what you can..And it's not about this year, it's what you see for the next 3-4 years.. Doesnt matter at all what I want, all up to GORDO..I just want him to be decisive and soon..Keeping him with the hopes of re-signing him in the off-season is the one thing they cant do

Hospo


Mon Jan 28 2019 8:16 am EST

Hayes continues to declare his desire to be a Ranger going forward. How strong is that desire and will it translate into reasonable contract demands? I guess that's the key, unless of course, Gorton and company have already decided the organization is better off without him (and with the assets he'll fetch) - given the way he's played this year, I find that hard to believe.

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 7:59 am EST

MFred...you the author? ;^)

rF4l


Mon Jan 28 2019 1:36 am EST

Here's the Linkhttps://www.amazon.com/Before-94-Story-1978-79-Rangers/dp/0692189289/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548657294&sr=8-1&keywords=before+94

Melvillefred


Mon Jan 28 2019 1:31 am EST

Finally have 2 sources to get Ranger Games in Milford PA.....not sure why I made the effort....LOL. And I have no clue as to why we want to trade Hayes?!! You really think you're gonna get a draft pick that's as good as this guy......good luck!!

Melvillefred


Mon Jan 28 2019 1:29 am EST

Guys and Galls, To take you trough this lull in the action I want to recommend a great Book I picked up...."Before '94" The recap and insights of the 78-79 Rangers team the went to the CUP Final. Forgot how great those players were and that "The Fog" was actually a great Coach well respected by his players. Available in Paperback on Amazon.....don't miss out.

Melvillefred


Mon Jan 28 2019 12:43 am EST

For years now one of my daughters has been vociferously booing any kind of cheerleader/(nonskating)scantily clad ice dancers, etc. She'll intersperse the boos with cries of "You should PLAY hockey!!" Love it.

LeoS


Sun Jan 27 2019 11:40 pm EST

Is there anything to decide about Hayes if we can get at least a first rounder for him and then potentially resign in the off season. Same goes for Zucc. It's exactly what could have happened with Nash if we had wanted that. If Gorton has an equal to last year's trade deadline, we'll be fine.

SurfCityRanger


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:48 pm EST

Speaking of the in-game presentations these days.......I go to a lot of games in Anaheim where I have to endure one of the original screaming PA guys and blasting music constantly. Other than indifferent and clueless fans, it is the thing I hate the most. So I went to a game in Detroit, where they have this beautiful new building but the best part is that most of the down time is filled with organ music.....like the old days. I really enjoyed it. No scantily clad faux cheerleaders running around. The antithesis of Vegas and Tampa. Of course, old dudes my age are not the target audience anymore.

Bob


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:57 pm EST

Schneid: most arenas incorporate the girls nowadays. Whether in the aisles, doing promo stuff or shoveling snow on TV timeouts. I’m just a purist I suppose. I don’t want a show at a hockey game. I want a hockey game. The rest is just like a carnival. Does nothing for me. And it’s not UN-PC to talk about the girls. That’s why they’re there. Eye candy. I just don’t need that.

E


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:49 pm EST

The Kevin Hayes dilemma Rangers will soon need to solve.... https://nypost.com/2019/01/27/the-kevin-hayes-dilemma-rangers-will-soon-need-to-solve/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:18 pm EST

Ugly! Poor Kid. Hope he is OK... i was hoping the NYRs could pry this kid from Vegas.... https://twitter.com/SinBinVegas/status/1089418910632370176

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:16 pm EST

So which GM backed out the EDM NYR trade in 2016 anways? Typically Larry Brooks... so much speculation and little truth or facts.... I am doubting the validity of this rumor of a failed trade... sounds like BS talk overhead at the hotel bar

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:14 pm EST

TDICHI: Spare me the harsh reply :-) I was WRONG... I didnt realize that Dennis Chowoloski made it to DET and is having a great rookie year... I am out of touch these days...

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:11 pm EST

E: maybe politically correct... but several years ago I was traveling for business and caught a Lighting.Capitals game in Tampa... never saw Ovechkin play live.... but the highlight were the Lightning Ice Girls... I felt like I was in Russia with all the antics and dance in the aisles between puck drops... it was spectacular bonus to an otherwise great game.... just sayin'

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:06 pm EST

TDICHI- I don't disagree... the 2016 draft was solid but really only sick in the top 3... after that... mixed bag... heck the NYR draft pick that went to PHX in Yandle deal... landed Dennis Cholowski D whom has yet to get a sniff of the NHL... strong at the top... but... ho hum thereafter..

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 8:03 pm EST

EDM 2016 draft: sure 5'9" 170 lb Clayton Keller would be nice... but typical freaking NYRs.... always get it wrong! Charlie McAvoy a New York Rangers fan whom says he was a big fan of defenseman Brian Leetch .... he was the prize of the draft after the top 3... always get it wrong!

schneidw


Sun Jan 27 2019 7:02 pm EST

Cm the mighty Quinney

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 27 2019 6:32 pm EST

re: McDONAGH and the Oilers - Not sure why Chiarelli didn't pull the trigger on that deal...probably because he's one of the worst GMs in the history of the NHL...but McD would have most certainly been a game-changer for them...would that deal have trumped the Tampa deal? Most likely...Even prior to that draft, I was talking up Clayton KELLER. The guy is an absolute wizard with the puck...he would have been a game changer for the Rangers...but man...I would have rather taken a crack at Matt TKACHUK, who I was also talking up in that draft...TBH, I don't think there was a bad pick to be had in the first eight picks or so...maybe JUOLEVI...I do remember really wishing the Rangers would pull the trigger on a deal to slide back into the first...that draft is definitely one that has produced a lot of high-caliber players.

tdchi


Sun Jan 27 2019 6:24 pm EST

I remember when the Hawks first brought up Teuvo TERAVAINEN and bounced him around their third line...then when they gave him a full season, they pretty much started treating him like a third liner/role player...this was in DIRECT contrast of what I saw of this kid in the WJCs...and I can remember my jaw dropping when they essentially gave him away to the Canes in order to shed BICKELL'S contract...remember thinking that they'd really come to regret that one...I see the same EXACT thing happening with the Finnish kid drafted by the Oilers with the fourth overall...I don't know what their scene is with him, but he'd be among the guys I positively wouldn't trade...my suspicion is that they DO trade him and that they will regret it in short order, much like the Hawks do now.

tdchi


Sun Jan 27 2019 6:06 pm EST

RF4L - Not sure where you're getting your stats on ANDERSSON, but your off by a bunch. Yeah, he's negative, but -14 is the number, which is sadly not even among the team worst...I mean, it's really a BS stat anyway, especially given some of the Pack's defensive woes...How's he playing? Fine. Not ripping up the league, but playing fine. Make no mistake, he's a top-line player for them...an important part of the team. He's getting good minutes and you can tell things are going to start clicking with him soon, IMO.

tdchi


Sun Jan 27 2019 6:02 pm EST

Stevie- who was that quote?

ColoradoMark


Sun Jan 27 2019 5:59 pm EST

RF4L - Stan Bowman? Really? You do know the guy who built the championship Hawks was named Tallon. Bowman may have the cups, but he has Tallon to thank for them...and just to give you an idea of how good Tallon was, they won them DESPITE Bowman trading talent away like a drunken sailor. His only saving grace has been his eye at the draft table.

tdchi


Sun Jan 27 2019 5:52 pm EST

I love how there's so much love going around for goofball TROTZ and the Isles...yet nary a mention of why they're winning: Robin LEHNER. What had prevented the Isles from being a contender was goaltending. What will stop them from challenging Tampa this season will be no Jon TAVARES.

tdchi


Sun Jan 27 2019 3:56 pm EST

Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 ...... David Quinn not anticipating any problems to prevent Kevin Hayes from playing Tuesday. Quinn said Neal Pionk "felt good, looked good." Quinn said if he's good to go health-wise, he'd play. Lindgren? "As of right now, he's going to still stay in Hartford." Depends on Pionk. #nyr

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 3:47 pm EST

Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 ......,David Quinn just met with us, reiterated maintenance day today for Mats Zuccarello, said the plan is for him to return to practice tomorrow. Also, said Henrik Lundqvist won't play Tuesday vs the #Flyers following his All-Star work/cross-country trip. #nyr #rangers #NHLFlyers #NHL

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 3:35 pm EST

NYR lines at practice: 20-93-21, 26-13-90, 72-16-17, 8-24-89; 18-77, 76-54, 42-44/22 and later 44-22. G 40-32. #rangers #NHL

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 3:25 pm EST

Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline ..... Artemi Panarin’s agent, Daniel Milstein, said he wants another meeting with his client before he informs #CBJ of Panarin’s willingness to negotiate a contract w Blue Jackets. The two met over the weekend in Miami, but a second meeting now is necessary.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 2:54 pm EST

they should leave Georgie boy in Hartford

stevielegs


Sun Jan 27 2019 2:54 pm EST

Mats Zuccarello is having a maintenance day today, Brooks is saying that it is not a coverup for a pending trade. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 2:14 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Hayes and Pionk skating.... Lindgren has not been recalled but Nieves, Georgiev are back from Hartford as Rangers reconvene for practice.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 1:05 pm EST

Vic - I wouldn't read too much into that Dolan interview, it struck me as more of a PR exercise. I mean, say you KNOW your team is gonna suck and bottom out, you still have to maintain the facade of 'trying' or your fans might (rightly, as TD pointed out) flee for a year or two.

LeoS


Sun Jan 27 2019 12:55 pm EST

Boy George seems to be getting lit up regualarly in Hartford too. Not sure this is him or the team or both. It's not a good sign either way.

HellsKitchen


Sun Jan 27 2019 12:26 pm EST

Hospo...true and I regrained from making a real judgement on the kid. Those numbers however are a tad troubling.

RF4l


Sun Jan 27 2019 11:48 am EST

“On the differences between the NHL of 2012-13 and today’s NHL: “It’s not as physical, that’s for damn sure. And everybody frowns upon a practice. It stuns me that you go for 40 minutes and people act like it’s a marathon. What do people want me to do? They hired me to coach here. I’m not acting like Joe Tough Guy, but I’m not going to let things go; that’s how you get better. And I believe that’s what this team at this time needs.“

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 27 2019 11:19 am EST

RF4L - Obviously the Pack are a crappy team whether it's because of poor overall talent, shitty enviornment or bad coaching or, more likely, all three...But really hard to draw conclusions abiut one player like ANDERSSON based purely on numbers and not watching him play at all..MAYBE PACK watchers can chime in here on him with an OBJECTIVE report??

Hospo


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:42 am EST

Looks like Andersson is really thriving: 27 games, 6 goals, 18 points and a mind numbing -21. Prorate that to 45 games and he'd be leading the entire league with something like a -33. Geeesh.

rF4l


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:36 am EST

The shitty Pack team last in their division and 28th overall in the league. Nice development environment they've got there! Geeesh...

rF4l


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:35 am EST

Liam Neeson's characters certainly are tougher than most Rangers, but so apparently is Brain Leetch's wife! LOL

NYStranger


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:30 am EST

Interesting declaration by LB re McD almost traded to Edmonton for the 4th overall pick so the Rangers could select Clayton Keller. If that had actually happened clearly the Oilers would have better off given the fact that they kept the selection and took the Finn who's so far done nothing to help the team. They'd probably have moved Hall for someone else, too. And guess what? We'd probably be agonizing over the missed opportunity for the Rangers to have Matthew Tkachuk on their team. Methinks the return fetched from Tampa might be better, although of course, the trade might have been bigger (vs straight up McD for the 4th).

rF4l


Sun Jan 27 2019 9:24 am EST

Sorry Hank but your buddy has to go- Henrik Lundqvist and Mats Zuccarello are more than just teammates. Any Rangers fan knows that the two have grown very close and have played charity tournaments together. Yesterday, Lundqvist made a passionate but realistic plea for the Rangers to keep Zuccarello.

tlats


Sun Jan 27 2019 5:50 am EST

One of the bigger jokes were the Florida panthers mascot and the dancers up on stage looking like a pole dancing club.....as for Captain parmenter and his c, he thought it gave him special privileges and abilities, and he cost the nyr playing hurt in too many playoff games. Leave it to fishpie not to trade him for Taylor Hall. That conversation was dumb and dumber doing a dance.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 27 2019 5:40 am EST

I think Liam Neeson should be the Rangers mascot. Or maybe John McEnroe.

Bob


Sun Jan 27 2019 2:29 am EST

NHL ‏ Verified account @NHL .... The King off and on the ice.... The longest save streak goes to the one and only, @HLundqvist30. #NHLAllStar.... https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1089079347586183168

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 27 2019 1:20 am EST

Congrats to Hank on what was a pretty good All-Star game for him. He was the only goalie to have a shutout period, which sounds great but he only faced 5 shots in a 10 minute period. Still not bad when facing an onslaught of All-Star forwards ....E...I'm not really a fan of mascot's either, but I could see Bettman forcing us to get one. He just seems like that kind of guy.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 7:18 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/26/the-blockbuster-rangers-oilers-mcdonagh-trade-that-never-was/

mf


Sat Jan 26 2019 5:50 pm EST

Mascots suck... I put them right there with cheerleaders. Just gimmicks...

E


Sat Jan 26 2019 4:38 pm EST

Sather does hold a candle...So Bowman can see his way to those Cups.

RF73


Sat Jan 26 2019 3:13 pm EST

TD...yes but Sather won 0 cups. Those mismanaged Hawks won THREE!! Sather can't hold a freakin' candle to Bowman.

RF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 2:38 pm EST

RF4L - Well...bloated contracts are a result of mismanagement. The Hawks made a SHIT-TON of bad decisions since their first Cup win...that started with their bungling of the contracts in 2010, that resulted in them losing BYFUGLIEN and LADD for pretty much nothing(though oddly enough, the pick they used to draft Kevin HAYES was acquired in the Byfuglien deal). Then roll into the contracts they gave to Bryan BICKELL and HOSSA...and then go into some of the ludicrous trades they made...Nick LEDDY for a pile of trash...BICKELL and TERAVAINEN for trash...SAAD for ANISIMOV...PANARIN for SAAD...DANEAULT to rent FLEISCHMANN and WEISE...HINSTROZA to be rid of HOSSA'S contract...I mean, we talk about bad trades that Sather made...these are damnable...it's really kind of amazing that with the mismanagement they had, they still managed to win three cups...but make no mistake...that team has been badly mismanaged. I mean, even down to firing QUENVILLE, who is a very good coach...wasn't his fault the Hawks suck this year.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 2:20 pm EST

CoMark... You are mostly correct. The NYR are the only NHL team without a mascot, but Seattle did not participate. Detroit's mascot is actually a large inflatable octopus named AL. Since he's not a guy in a suit, he couldn't show up for the All-Star weekend. It makes me wonder how long it is before the NYR give in to League pressure to have a mascot like the rest of the League.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 2:06 pm EST

So, I was watching the All-Star skills competition last night and before it started, they interviewed Kendall Coyne & Brianna Decker beforehand as they were supposed to compete as a "demonstration." Well. we went through the Premier Passing competition and Leon Draisaitl was just terrific winning it with a time of 1:09... The odd thing was we never got to see Decker compete. What happened? ....Well, she did compete, only we didn't get to see it.... It turns out that Brianna Decker actually won the competition with a time of 1:06, but since they classified her as a "demonstration" she wasn't allowed to win the $25,000 award money. So, the NHL in it's infinite wisdom decided to not show it at all. The League could have also given broth Decker and Draisaitl(or just Decker) a $25,000 award and gotten a ton of positive press, but instead they decided to handle it the Gary Bettman way and swept it under the rug. The only real video I've seen of her competing is a fan video from far away. There are a lot negative reactions by fans to the whole fiasco on Twitter. Only Bettman's NHL could handle things so poorly.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 1:35 pm EST

VIC: when it comes to the plan I thought it was pretty obvious. They recognize that the way to build a winner is to load your money into a few elite guys and then have a never ending flow of cap friendly talent that backfills what you can’t afford to maintain. The missing link in Dolan’s math equation is that they haven’t as of yet cultivated any elite talent. Just getting in a lot of serviceable guys with hopes and dreams of something better. And ultimately that takes us down another insufferable argument on the merits of tanking for an identified elite, franchise player that of course means on an average year getting close to the top of the picking order. If not? It’s about the skill of your development and scouting talent to ID guys who are outside the top-10. In other words you can draft a pile of Marc Staal’s when what you need is a Drew Doughty. That’s the reality but the argument is how that’s done. And that’s where the wall is hopelessly entrenched.

E


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:49 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/25/wife-of-rangers-legend-brian-leetch-scores-no-jail-plea-in-bar-brawl/?fbclid=IwAR3MgGzRhkQLnoga4ssv9grc5gIs9jUwZRhZdT8Vpju-Cy9t9RSEoKIFeA4

mf


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:41 pm EST

NEWFIE/CM - agree that Hayes doesnt really bring sand paper and grit but hw's not a BUCH or somehting.. he does use his body a hell of alot more now and dowes ndeed go to the dirty places and along the baords..just doesn't do it with a bang!..Two different degrees but, Like Kreider (and most Rangers), I would love to see him playing pissed and angry much more often

Hospo


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:22 pm EST

Newfie- Exactly! I think that is why I made the comment about living here in Colorado, perhaps partaking in a certain activity that is also legal north of the border! LOL. He's definitely just reading this height and weight and making assumptions !

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:06 pm EST

TD: Your post "RF4L - But what the hell do you think they're doing?!" Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? Or just venting about the arguments others are saying?

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:59 am EST

TD: Re the Pack. Remember you originally said their problem wasn't the roster but a losing attitude permeated the organization and were causing the players to play like shit. Your current explanation makes much more sense. Now we get to where I think your losing attitude argument has merit. Let's see if I can explain this properly: If you ice an inferior team with mediocre coaching and as a result that team sucks you do indeed create a lousy, negative environment. I mean to me that's obvious. One could argue that the Pack coaches aren't mediocre but I'm buying your argument that a big issue in Hartford is the young age and associated lack of experience with the team itself. Another non-PO finish is looming. Here's where I concur with your argument: What the Rangers are doing in Hartford is creating a lousy environment for their young NHL prospects to develop. It's not a guarantee that no one will develop in such an environment but it's pretty safe to say their growth is at least retarded in some manner. There are realistically only 5 or 6 kids down there who might one day become NHL regulars. The rest are fringe NHLers at best or AHL lifers (like 12 to 15 players). For me, it makes more sense for more of the latter to be better AHLers. That way the team wins more. Think about what Andersson and Hajek and Lindgren and Gettinger and Geo and Crawley can gain from a deep Pack PO run. Tons and tons and tons. To me that's the approach Gorton and Drury should be taking - not stocking the team with a bunch of young kids who'll never make it. It is compromising the development curve of the kids who are legitimate NHL prospects. That's where I concur with you on a losing environment and it's negative wider impacts.

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:44 am EST

The current problem with Chicago (and LA for that matter) isn't mismanagement, it's an aging roster with too many fat contracts. Now one could say that's an oxymoron but the landscape from a players' contract focus has shifted drastically and extremely quickly from handing out fat 3rd contracts (to the star players) to giving that money to the emerging stars/kids coming off those ELCs. When 2nd deals for Kane and Toews were coming to end and both were key contributors to 2 Hawk cup triumphs, the big money wasn't going to the kids - it was going to the mid to late 20s guys. How could you not reward guys like those 2 (or Kopitar or Carter and so on and on) with big deals after what they had accomplished (and were still accomplishing)? In addition, who forsaw the league transitioning to a younger, faster slant? No one. This basically has happened overnight, to the point where even up to this past summer, teams giving star players huge money 2nd contracts were being criticized for doing so. Guess what? Now everyone's doing it and many teams are growing leery of giving out big deals to players on their 3rd contracts. Remember the bridge deal (Stepan got one)? They are rapidly disappearing. Chicago and LA got caught in the middle - their star players hit their 3rd contracts before this trend hit but had helped their teams win cups - they got paid. Huge. Now their teams are in a quagmire because of it with little optimism to get out from under it for at least the next few years. It'll be interesting to see how they fare. Both Chicago and LA are languishing at the bottom of the league now and may remain there for the next few years. Other GMs are watching and the result is fewer lucrative 3rd contracts. What will the next trend be? I think we'll start to see shorter term 2nd contracts (still with big dollars). WHy? Agents are recognizing the dissipating lucrative 3rd contracts for players hitting them at 28, 29 and 30. Therefore, a shorter term 2nd contract of maybe 5 years means their clients hit the 3rd contract date at 26 and therefore, should be young enough to attractive lucrative 3rd contracts. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. I am hearing, for example, that the Leafs and Matthews are making good headway on his 2nd contract and it should be done well before July 1st and it'll be 6 years maximum and perhaps 5 years. Let me add this: I am talking here about star players, not the others but the star players, especially if you have 2 or 3, are eating up 1/4 of a team's cap.

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:43 am EST

Colorado.....…….the words "sandpaper" and "grit" don't belong in any sentence that begins with the words Kevin Hayes.Just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:40 am EST

RF4L - Well then we get into the chicken or the egg. I mean, I can't disagree. Shit flows downstream, so ultimately, the mess that an NHL or AHL team becomes or remains is a factor of the decisions made at the top...Getting back to the Pack, I think there are issues that AREN'T management's fault and rather related to the age of the team itself...and probably more to the point, the defense's inability to execute what McCAMBRIDGE is asking them to do...not surprisingly, they remind me A LOT of the Rangers defense.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:36 am EST

RF4L - But what the hell do you think they're doing?! I mean shit, this team can't win with any of you. Back when they were winning, Sather did everything in his power to push them over the finish line...and that meant dealing away first rounder after first rounder...I, along with many others, didn't like the tact...and obviously, it lead us to the point where we're at now...you can argue they were bad moves or bad trades or whatever...but he was trying. Wasn't like he was shrugging and a saying "oh well..." Now we have Gorton, who gets raked across the coals here for taking a scalpel to the organization as opposed to a chainsaw...oh the Rangers suck so bad because they didn't liquidate the roster and go for DAHLIN...and now they're screwing the pooch again because they're not trading LUNDQVIST so they can lose and draft HUGHES...Jeeze...I mean, it's pure crazy talk. I'm shaking my damn head when I see this shit here and on Twitter...nah, one year in the sewer isn't going to bankrupt the Dolans or MSG...but you know, I give the Rangers credit for building THE RIGHT WAY and not taking the bullshit way out...Look, if they end up on the bottom and draft HUGHES? GREAT! I'll be happy as hell. But zero sense in accelerating that path...Interestingly enough, the teams that are AT the bottom, with no exceptions, are all teams that neither wanted to be or expected to be there...The Kings for instance...and the Flyers. And the Devils. And even the Sens...Losing is not a strategy, no matter how many times Vic argues that it is...I'm very comfortable with where the Rangers are right now and hope that as the deadline approaches, they stick to the game plan...move a few players, but look to build around the framework they have...which is a very good framework that has plenty of pieces that will be rounding it out in the near future.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:24 am EST

TD: Re the Oilers. Oh I concur they had a loser environment there that impacted the players. I maintain, however, it was a product of mismanagement. Their collective hockey wisdom, much of which inexplicably comes from the old Oiler boys network that remains firmly entrenched there, decided the answer to their loser problem was a guy who's never coached in the NHL before. Another HUGE management boner. From almost the outset, it was obvious Eakins was in over his head. He's not responsible, of course, for the loser attitude that was already there but he was clearly unable to do anything about it once he got there. To me, it's simply another example of what I said earlier: Loser environments exist for sure but they are more a product of endless lousy management practices than anything else.

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:24 am EST

LOL! Vic, I'm VERY glad you brought up the Hawks...because AGAIN...it was a franchise where a culture of losing had taken grip. The Hawks certainly benefited from smart drafting and grabbing TOEWS/KANE...but again, you had management not just changing personnel...but changing the atmosphere in the locker room and around the rink in general. Case and point: When Dale TALLON'S dad died, the Hawks took a 100-mile trek to make his funeral. There's a debate about whether management made them, or whether they agreed on their own...the point is, it was a classy move. It showed character. And it was a story the team used to bookend its rise to the top...Culture of losing? Meh, who cares about Dale Tallon. Let's go back to Chicago...Your other point...I don't even know where to start with it...but suffice to say, there are plenty of reasons the Hawks are losing the way they are now. They include, but are not limited to abject mismanagement, poor defense, poorer goaltending, and an aging team. Feel free to ask if you want me to elaborate on any of them.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:18 am EST

Regarding tanking, I concur it's a subjective term and for certain there's degrees of it, too. The Penguins are a prime example, especially the year they ended up with the right to draft Lemieux. It was a sell-off unlike any other previously, although in their (slight) defense, they were looking to sell the team and therefore, needed to lower their payroll drastically to make things a little more attractive to buyers. Fast forward 25 years and we saw the Sabres do something equally reprehensible in the McDavid/Eichel draft year. They made sure they'd be drafting 1st or 2nd and that subsequently prompted the league to yet again adjust their lottery rules to remove that guarantee (you finish last the lowest you draft in the 1st round is 2nd overall). The Rangers are tanking - you can slice and dice it any which way you chose, but that doesn't change a thing. What they aren't doing, however, is tanking to the degree the Penguins and Sabres have done. They publicized their intent for crying out loud (of course, avoiding the work 'tanking'). Selling off the assets they did at the deadline last year and the ones that'll be gone by this deadline for picks and prospects is tanking. It's a tricky proposition for sure with no guarantees. But in today's hard cap world do they have any other choice unless they're content with year after year after icing a team that has a chance at a PO finish but no chance of going very far in those POs? No, they don't. And thankfully they've recognized that and elected to go that route. To me struggling to make the POs year after year with no realistic hope of winning much once they get there is a loser attitude and done only to try to rake in PO revenue. Lots of teams do that but most of them do so because without that revenue the team posts financial losses. The Rangers make money regardless. Lots of money. To me, they should be doing their damndest to leverage that money to build a cup winner. Of course, it's far more difficult in a hard cap system but unlike many teams (at least 1/2 and perhaps as many as 2/3s of the league) they can afford to spend to the cap, to have a deep farm system and deep scouting system. That's where they can and should take advantage to build a cup winner. It starts, of course, with the draft and like it or not, the more picks you have and the higher in the draft they are, the better off you are. I say good for Gorton and yes Sather and yes Dolans for recognizing this and going for it. For me 100x better vs endless mediocrity (mediocrity in this case being last minute PO team that is ousted quickly every year).

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:15 am EST

building vs. rebuilding..that is the question?: "Our promise to you is that our plans will be guided by our singular commitment: ensuring we are building the foundation for our next Stanley Cup contender."

RF73


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:12 am EST

RF4L - Interesting you bring up the Oilers and the culture of losing. While I agree that management has done that team no favors...this was a team where THAT VERY ISSUE was discussed in great depth four or five years ago when Dallas EAKINS was named coach...I can't remember who did it, but there was a whole news segment about how he was changing the culture of losing that had enveloped the team...and how he was making subtle changes everywhere...from simple things in the locker room to on the ice...all geared toward instilling a greater sense of pride and accountability among players...He was fired a year later and...well...the rest is history. The stink of losing still follows the Oilers.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:05 am EST

Rhet0ric - I would venture a guess that Gorton's job is VERY safe at this point...but just to point out something...that letter you mention never once stated "rebuild." You can argue that was the intent or that it's the message that should be read between the lines...The message I got was "We're trading McDONAGH and NASH. Fairweather fans, don't freak out."

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 11:02 am EST

TD: On Kessel, yep 100% in agreement on all your points, including he'd had been a mess in New York because unlike Pittsburgh and just like in Toronto, he'd been the go-to guy, which he simply cannot handle. And I recall in his draft year the talk that he might go first but didn't because of his conditioning and attitude, the latter including being a very selfish player. I think it was the WJC I first saw him in and I remember him refusing to pass and yelling at his teammates.

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:58 am EST

ColoradoMark - If KESSEL had the work ethic of, say, someone like Jed ORTMEYER or Dan GIRARDI, he'd probably be a regular 100-point player. As it is, he'll probably end up in the HOF...but what could have been...man.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:53 am EST

RF4L - I don't think anyone has ever faulted KESSEL for being a bad player...rather it's that the teams he's played for see the player he COULD be...or rather COULD HAVE been...I don't know if you remember his draft year...but six months before the draft, there was a lot of talk about him going first overall...He was a HUGHES-like player...just dominant on so many levels...but he dropped like a stone, and I suspect a lot of that had to do with 1. his conditioning; and 2. his attitude. I've heard many times over the lamenting of what level Phil Kessel could have achieved had he given a shit about anything...and I have to agree...I think part of the reason folks don't take him more seriously is that it's tough to sit there and impart good work habits on young players when you have Kessel ponied up to the hotdog stand putting back footlongs and still scoring 30-plus goals...he's in a very unique spot in Pittsburgh, where he can fly under the radar entirely, both on and off the ice...Nobody cares about Kessel's conditioning because he scores goals and wins games. He can vanish into the lineup because they have MALKIN and CROSBY to carry the load...In Toronto, he was supposed to be the main show...In hindsight, I'm kind of sorry the Rangers didn't make a push for him...but he probably would have fared no better in New York than he did in Toronto.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:40 am EST

That's my answer to the mascot question, fwiw

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:40 am EST

RHET- Aren't we the only current team and I would guess Seattle?

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:38 am EST

Vic, in agreement with most of what you have said I'll re-post what I said on Thu Jan 24 2019 10:09 am EST and a statistical analysis of the "Sather Years" ... Dolan knows absolutely nothing about hockey except what the financials "tell" him...as an owner that is his right...but he has an obligation to have the team run by competent/knowledgeable individuals...In that light, Sather is a textbook narcissist...Gorton is the demon seed of Sather...His "yes" man...Protected until the teams performance leads to significant/consistent numbers of no-shows and then he will be thrown under the bus/fired/promoted...and Quinn is the "rookie" trying his damnedest to produce a competitive team but who doesn't have the cred and experience nor the personnel to have a voice/threaten either his boss or his bosses boss (part of the reason he was hired)...His job is to "fix a flat tire without a jack." This trade deadline/draft led by the DSG Bermuda Triangle of mismanagement will determine the direction/future of this organIzation for many years to come...Not a pretty picture based on what has been painted thus far. After that post I went back and compiled the Rangers record during Sathers' tenure...1,360 games played; 684 wins; 676 losses/OT/T...the perennial .500 team that is the most valuable franchise in hockey..."We don't need no stinking Cups"

RF73


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:36 am EST

Vic - There's no definition of "tanking" and of course, no team or player is going to throw a game. Really, the team that has pioneered and popularized this term is the goddamn shitbag Penguins, where the ownership DELIBERATELY traded away every viable NHLer they had so that the team they iced had almost no chance of winning. They did it once for LEMIUEX and got called out for it...and then they did it again to get CROSBY. Only the second time they did it, they basically needed a major financial and even LEAGUE intercession to prevent the franchise from going belly up...I can't say this enough: Tanking is no game plan to build a franchise. It's cheating on so many different levels. And it's why we have the goddamn lottery draft now...so a worthless piece of shit franchise like the Penguins at least have some sort of deterrent from cheating...and Dolan is 100 percent correct...it IS cheating the fans. Look, season ticket holders have to dump money down and if the Rangers dress the goddamn Hartford Wolfpack, guess what? That's basically $10,000 to lay down to watch a team lose. Ain't no one going to pay to watch that. And I don't blame them. It's easy to sit in your armchair in whatever part of North America or the globe and say it's fine to ice a loser if the goal is to get a generational player...but guess what? It's not fine if you're paying $100-plus for the nosebleeds, $15 per beer and all the goddamn associated costs for a game to watch your team get clubbed like Clubber Lang...If I smuggle in a flask of the hard stuff, pregame with a heavy meal and lots of beers, I can sometimes...SOMETIMES...get out of the Garden for about $250. And that's not including transportation to and from...You think I'm going to pay that to watch a veritable AHL team get creamed? You at home can turn off the TV or switch the channel and go into hibernation for a winter. The Garden cannot. And like it or not, the Rangers are a business. You can try to argue that they should lose money to make money...but there's no school of business that will teach that as a model. So tank, rebuild, retool whatever you want to call it...MSG is going to ice a competitive team the best they can...and you can claim Dolan is a dipshit for doing it that way...but you're speaking from a very limited perspective that all but ignores the reality of the situation.

tdchi


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:10 am EST

And the Fifth and Final Quote from DOLAN: “The real big difference between the Knicks and Rangers is Henrik,” Dolan said, in assessing the state of his two rebuilding franchises. “If the Knicks had a Henrik, they’d probably be competing for a playoff spot. No Henrik, no playoff spot. “Hank is excellent about his conditioning, health, etc. He thinks he’s going to be here [for the payoff on the rebuild]. I think he can make it as long as [Martin] Brodeur. Maybe a little further on in his career we can give him a little more of a break here and there, but he’s an All-Star this year. “It’s hard to find another Hank. Damn near impossible.”....................Oh where do I start with this gem??? Lets start with the last part first. So basically what I'm reading is that he is hoping HANK can play as long for the Rangers as BRODEUR played for the Devils??? So does that mean we have another 6+ years of HANK to go? I know....maybe we can resign him for $10 Million per year against the Cap for the next 10 years to make sure he stays a Ranger! After all he is an All Star and it is "Damn near impossible" to find another HANK! But lets go back to that Knicks comparison. So if the Knicks had a HANK they would be a playoff team? So does that mean he actually does think that the Rangers could/should be a playoff team because they do have HANK? Or is he admitting that the Rangers suck so bad that even with HANK they still aren't a playoff team? I'll end all of this by repeating what I've said here for years. The Rangers will NEVER win another Cup with DOLAN owning this franchise......

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 10:08 am EST

So last Sunday, Mark Kiszla wrote this about the Avs needing to acquire Hayes in the Denver Post: "Hayes...doesn't have the talent to change the course of hockey history. But he might bring the the sandpaper grit Colorado so desperately needs. A solid 2-way player, the 26 year -old native of Dorchester, Mass. also gets down and dirty on the penalty kill. At 6-5 216 lbs, Hayes is a good dude to have on your side when the postseason intensity amps up." I will say, Kiszla does live in Denver. Just sayin'. He also says there is no way the Avs will trade the Ottawa #1.

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:56 am EST

Fourth Quote from DOLAN: “It’s still a development year, but the one thing with the team that shouldn’t be a surprise to anybody is that Hank can carry a team,” Dolan said, citing Henrik Lundqvist. “I think our success up until this point is largely attributable to Hank, but that’s not what our plan is. “Our plan, of course, is to stay with Hank but develop these kids and have a potent team besides the goalie. That’s coming along, but they’re young. The older guys, I think are contributing, but we’re not expecting to compete for a Stanley Cup this year.”................Ahhh, how reasonable of you DOLAN! You don't expect them to compete for a Cup this year. So, is next year when you expect them to compete for a Cup? What an ass. Those kids are just learning this year right? So next year we start going for it! Makes perfect sense. And why not, we have HANK! He basically says that the success the team has had this year (if being 6 points out of being the worst team in the NHL can be called success) is largely due to HANK. So outside of his goaltender he basically admits the Rangers are possibly the worst team in the league and aren't expected to compete for a Cup "this year". My head is exploding just reading these quotes from DOLAN. My opinion of him was about as low as possible before reading this. I didn't think it could get any lower but I was wrong....

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:48 am EST

Third Quote from DOLAN: “None of my teams are going to tank. I’ll never tell a team to lose,” Dolan said. “I think teams that tank are giving away something really big. I think they’re giving away that emotional development for the team. You can see how important that is. “You have responsibility to the fans; fans pay for tickets and they deserve best game you can give them. That’s probably No. 1. But when you go in and tell a team, even if you’re just telling the coach, to lose the game, you’re dispiriting your team. That hurts more than getting a better draft pick helps. It’s hard to reignite the spirit of the team.”................OK, so that quote tells me that DOLAN (much like so many people here) has no understanding of what the word "Tank" means. Tanking is not something done by the players. Nor is it something that is done by the coaches. The players and coaches have one goal each night....to WIN. Their long term goal is to win as much as they can and get better every day. It is management's job to "Tank". It is management's job to plan and execute roster moves that put an organization in a better position to draft as high as possible with intention of drafting a generational or elite talent that may be available at the top of any given draft. It has nothing to do with the coaching staff, players or what happens on the ice. The fact that DOLAN doesn't seem to understand this or even know what the word means leads me to believe that the concept was never discussed or shared with him. Which leads me to believe that the organizational plan was to retool with the idea of getting back to the playoffs as quickly as possible rather then getting back to the playoffs with a team that can actually win a Cup. It tells me that the goal is to be Minnesota and not Chicago. The goal is to repeat what the Rangers did over the last 10 years.....not what the Penguins did. And if that is in fact the case I guess I'll just have to take what little comfort there is in knowing that I at least got to see them win one Cup in my lifetime. I know there were many other Ranger fans that didn't.

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:35 am EST

Second Quote from DOLAN: “I’m pleased that we’re following the strategy we agreed on,” Dolan said. “I don’t want them lunging for the playoffs. Nobody’s job depends on whether we make the playoffs or not, although the team still believes we can make it.”............So DOLAN makes reference to the fact that he, SATHER, GORTON and whoever else in the organization is part of the brain trust all sat down and agreed upon a plan for the next few years. I would love to know the details of that plan because I'm sure it included what they planned to do at the deadline last year, this year and which players they anticipated keeping through the retool/rebuild (if any). I would also love to know when the "plan" anticipated that they would/should be competing for a playoff spot again. They won't say it on the record publicly but I would love it if BROOKS or someone could pry that out of one of them semi-unofficially. My guess is that DOLAN would be the one to slip and let something like that out. And maybe he will in the future if/when he gets frustrated with the level of progress they are making. But that quote should also put any discussion to rest about DQ or GORTON getting fired anytime soon. My guess would be that the earliest that either would be fired is after the 2019-2020 season if DOLAN has lost patience.

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:27 am EST

First Quote from DOLAN: “The stew has just gotten on the flame, so like everybody else, I’m waiting to see who we’re going to be,” Dolan told two reporters Monday after taking in his team’s practice in advance of Tuesday’s match against the Golden Knights. “I’m very happy with our coach, he’s a teaching coach, a development coach who understands how to work with kids, bring their level up and build a team. “I’m very happy with how the organization is organizing itself around development. We’re staying the course.”...........So, like the rest of the organization DOLAN doesn't specify what the "course" is but reiterates that they are going to "stay the course". BUT, he does talk in glowing terms about DQ.

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:24 am EST

The other thing that came out of reading that article was a link to an article titled "James Dolan weighs in on the Rangers’ current ‘course’"....that BROOKS put on on January 7th. I was out of the country at the time and I missed it. I searched back through the Wall and saw that RHET linked it but there was much if any discussion about it. Here is the link for those who missed it. There are some excellent quotes from DOLAN in there that I'll pull out in another post. (https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/james-dolan-weighs-in-on-the-rangers-current-course/)

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 9:20 am EST

BTW, that interview/article by BROOKS about DQ is excellent. If you haven't read it I suggest you do. It makes me like DQ even more. From everything I have seen and heard so far from him he appears to be an excellent coach. He needs more NHL experience for sure. But once he has that, and then has the kind of team I think he is looking for (physical and tough to play against but also talented) he could be an excellent long term coach for a very competitive team. He seems to be very self aware about pushing hard but not crossing the line that wears thin and wears out on a team like a KEENAN, HITCHCOCK or TORTS kind of personality. The one shame in his hiring here is that it may be too soon. A lot of legendary coaches struggle in their first top job. It ends up being a learning experience that they take elsewhere and go on to be fantastic coaches. Take BELECHEK in Cleveland for example. That was a failed coaching debut for sure. But he learned a lot from it. When he got his chance again in New England the rest was history. Yes, he did have BRADY and some outstanding players. But name for me a legendary coach that didn't have legendary players that won a lot of championships for them????

Vic


Sat Jan 26 2019 8:59 am EST

CoMark: That's how incredibly skilled Kessel is. I watched him a lot during his Leafs days and posted on here more than once that I thought he was easily in the top 5 in the entire league in terms of pure talent. Skates like the wind with an incredible 0 to top speed acceleration, has a tremendous shot and can pass with the best of them. The latter goes (well went - I think after those cups in the Pittsburgh people realized this) under the radar because of his speed and shot. I watched him time and time again drop thread the needle passes on teammates's sticks. And it's pretty obvious fitness isn't his schtick. I keep waiting for his effectiveness to abruptly drop off - it happens to many players in their early 30s who are dedicated to fitness; surely it'll happen to someone who isn't? Or perhaps those who work out to religiously serve to wear down their bodies prematurely (I'm talking here professional athletes)...

rF4l


Sat Jan 26 2019 8:04 am EST

Robert Söderlind ‏ @HockeyWebCast .... Japanese phenom and 15 years old Aito Iguchi (2021 NHL Draft) scored this beauty earlier today..... https://twitter.com/HockeyWebCast/status/1088979061031034880

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 1:12 am EST

Elite Sports NY ‏ @EliteSportsNY .... It was Henrik Lundqvist's night. Everybody else was simply tagging along. #NYR.... https://twitter.com/EliteSportsNY/status/1089039495943593984

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:37 am EST

Le Monde du Sport ‏ @Mondesports ....Gary Bettman en rafale http://bit.ly/2UiOal8 #gohabsgo.... SAN JOSE | Beyond the puck and player tracking system that will be used next season, Gary Bettman touched on a few topics during his press briefing on Friday. For the first time since moons, Quebec has not been the subject of one of them.... The collective agreement between players and owners will expire at the end of the 2021-2022 season. However, both the NHL and the Players Association will be able to put an end to it in September.... Lately, rumors have surfaced that the World Cup could be replaced by a World Cup in February 2021. Bill Daly, Bettman's assistant, was skeptical.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:25 am EST

Anyone know which two teams didn't have a mascot representing them at the All-Star game this weekend? It's a bit of a trick question.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 26 2019 12:17 am EST

NY Sports News ‏ @NYSportsNews365 .... Lundqvist wins 2019 NHL Save Streak competition - National Hockey League News - http://nhl.nbanewsnow.com/lundqvist-wins-2019-nhl-save-streak-competition-national-hockey-league-news/ …

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:57 pm EST

TRADE... I would take her in a heartbeat. She would probably be the hardest worker on the team :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:51 pm EST

News just hit.....NY Rangers just signed Kendall Coyne Schofeld to a 2 year deal. Jeff Gorton says she will be the replacement for both Carl Hagelin and Michael Granbner.

tradestar28


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:50 pm EST

Hospo... First of all, I was being snark and sarcastic. Front-runiing in that they are too delicate to experience a losing season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:33 pm EST

RHET - Wow..judge much? ..It takes all types of worthless opinions and leave it at that.. but...front running crybabies??? What century are we talking about here? because i dont remember too many front running years since the mid 90's......As for your Kmick example, it is totally lost on me since I stopped watching Pro Hoops when Hawthorne WINGO retired

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:22 pm EST

K'Andre Miller had two assists but Tyler Nanne's (scoreless) Minnesota Golden Gophers whipped Wisconsin 9-4. Miller leads Wisconsin with a 5-15-20 mark.... Adam Huska stopped 29 of 31 as UConn ties New Hampshire 2-2 in OT. Huska is 5-9-2 with a 3.04 GAA and a 0.905 SV%.... Tyler Wall stopped 24 of 25 to help UMass-Lowell defeat Boston College 3-1. Wall is 7-6-1 with a 1.96 GAA and 0.925 SV%.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:54 pm EST

Hospo... You are right. They can be the biggest, most whiny, front-running crybabies they want to be. Some NYR are just too soft to handle a rebuild... How was that? Was that better? :) ...Also, Look at the Knicks. They are worse and lost. I mean it's far easier to turn their fortunes around, all you need to do is get one franchise guy or sign Lebron James as an UFA. they haven't been to the playoffs in six years (i'm including this season too because they're already pretty much eliminated :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:49 pm EST

Just watched the NHL goals of the 80's on the NHL Network and it was good to see two of the top 4 were by Rangers,,,,well,,,before they were Rangers! (TGO and Kurri)..I had kinda blocked the Kurrii deal from my memory and forgot about him...I'm wondering it MATTEAU's goal will nake the list for the 90's??

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:48 pm EST

BOB/RF4L- You guys know I got to work with a lot of youngsters who went on to play in the NHL. When I knew most of them, I was still thinking I could play pro. It was never going to happen, but I played at least a season longer than I should have. The thing about coaching these youngsters was realizing how much more talented they were than me. I'm not just talking about goalies. There was an athleticism and a mental strength that I couldn't match despite what I thought was a drive to succeed within me that would carry bye beyond my limited talent. I also thought attitude was a key attribute, but Phil Kessel proved me wrong there. I really didn't think he had the work ethic or the attitude or even the team game to make the NHL, let alone star in it.

ColoradoMark


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:48 pm EST

Good on old Hank.....a little bit of luck on some but he got through it with no injury and won the competition. His kids were there to watch !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:46 pm EST

RHET - Actuallyy, NYR fans dont need to show anything..They can be as patient or impatient as they or you want....That's what being a fan is.,,and that's why there are, ahem, "discussions" on this Wall.....But it still doesnt make one iota of a differnce either way....Lord knows it has nothing to do with filling seats or money, but,What matters is how impatinet or patient Dolan and Sather are.....I think he's got another few years no matter what to proves he's a success ir failure....Hell..Look how long the unsuccesfu Sather got... but owners and egos can be fickle and change with the wind or whims, especailly as they get older....

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:45 pm EST

Hank upping his trade value durig the shootout portion of the Skills Competition. Good for Lundqvist!

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:33 pm EST

Again, the NYR sent out the memo to fans on February 8th of last season, meaning the rebuild hasn't even been one year old yet. Gorton is going to possibly lose his job next season if the team doesn't make the playoffs? Is that how rebuilds work with that quick kind of a turn around? NYR fans need to show some patience.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:14 pm EST

Imagine all of this energy doing something useful.

Vcp1994


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:11 pm EST

Where is Bob gutkowski only one worth anything. Only the Yankees have had good owners and a some luck with Mel stotemeyer. Owner's should thank there lucky stars that for whatever reason rangers fans exist.

Vcp1994


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:06 pm EST

Folks crack me up. Imagine if Neil Smith never won a cup Rangers organization his a history of SHIT millions of stupid fans LOL

Vcp1994


Fri Jan 25 2019 9:43 pm EST

I think the playoffs are possible if, hopefully, maybe, lucky. It’s not out of the realm of thought. I would contend that if they had a little more talent on the blueline they’d be slogging their way in the dogpile for an 8 spot.

E


Fri Jan 25 2019 7:16 pm EST

Fishpie doesn’t deserve more than next season to have the nyr back in the playoffs. He thinks he can buy time , but that’s only if the genius doesn’t throw him under the bus sooner.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 25 2019 4:53 pm EST

Russian Prospects ‏ @RUSProspects .... Russian Prospects Retweeted Russia Hockey Some prospects invited to the Russia NT B-team: #NYR Vitaliy Kravtsov and Yegor Rykov, #gohabsgo Alexander Romanov, #njdevils Mikhail Maltsev.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 4:45 pm EST

Newfie: after this, Gorton has essentially gutted his team and sold off virtually every piece that he could. So, what happens between now and the draft is the cherry on his master plan. Its about cultivating his new direction for the franchise. He owns it all. Hopefully, they’ll be pointed in the right direction come post UFA this summer. Right now? Hopes and dreams. He’s gonna need some home runs or what’s the point?

E


Fri Jan 25 2019 3:39 pm EST

NEWFIE/VIC - In a way, I think the series of moves (or non-moves) that GORDO The Clown makes between now and July will indeed turn out be (in the future) the moves that made or broke him and the organization..we just wont know for a year or three! And no matter what was said between Dolan, the Buffoon from Banf-f-f-f-f and Gordo, there cn only be one scapegoat..and that will be Gordo..If it succeeds, Sather and Dolan will take credit! how it goes..

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 3:18 pm EST

NEWFIE: Interesting question. My answer is that I don't think we can ever know. A lot depends on what was discussed and planned with DOLAN and SATHER a year ago. If he is executing whatever roadmap that they all agreed upon then the chances are he is going to have several years to see it through. But if he is changing gears at this point then I would agree that whatever he does at the deadline and draft will be make or break for him. For example, if they agreed to some form of tank or "lose for HUGHES" approach and then GORTON fails to maneuver the team into that position it could be problematic for him. Similarly, if the plan was NOT to take or "lose for HUGHES" but that they would be making the playoffs by next year he could be in real trouble if he screws up his moves at the deadline, draft and offseason. No way for us to know for sure unless we know what the organization's plan is. And despite that letter a year ago GORTON has done very little either way to signal whether this is a "retool" or "rebuild" approach and what their time frame is for making the playoffs again.

Vic


Fri Jan 25 2019 3:10 pm EST

I don't want to sound like Captain Obvious but Gorton's moves coming up ….aren't they "make it or break it" for him as a GM for this so-called re-build ? Or am I being over dramatic ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 25 2019 3:02 pm EST

This place is starting to resemble an AA or NA meeting. Not that I'd know...... "Let's Go Rangers!" (now it's a hockey related post)

mf


Fri Jan 25 2019 2:59 pm EST

LIMBO: Good for you! I like to have a drink in the evenings. Usually it is either wine, a Margarita with some fresh limes and my own cucumber simple syrup, or a whisky sour (Woodford Reserve). But a few times a year I go without drinking for a few weeks pretty much for the same reasons.

Vic


Fri Jan 25 2019 1:46 pm EST

mf - Ha! I started about 10 years ago putting that stuff off from Jan 1st until the Superbowl. At first, it was just to see if I could do it, like a test of will. Now, I do it every year just to detox a bit, lose a few pounds, and feel a bit healthier. Knock on wood - never cheated. This time around, I cut out coffee too (...I know nuts...). That was harder than cutting out the other stuff. My wife did it with me this year, which makes it a LOT easier. She almost broke last week, but I think we are smooth sailing until Friday. Then, It's Miller Time. Probably breaking the fast with a Larceny (wheated bourbon) Manhattan.

limbo


Fri Jan 25 2019 1:17 pm EST

I think that the trade market was about to start making some noise...moves were close I think...then the Oilers go and shake up the front office and everything, even the small trades just stopped for a bit there. I think teams were suddenly faced with not knowing what changed the Oilers would make with a new person running things....especially if there were deals being worked with the Oilers in the mix...I also imagine the NHL would be pissed if teams made big trades to take focus off the altar weekend....but I am also sure GMs are talking there, and some trades will come out of it.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:58 pm EST

The New York Rangers have poor body image and are obsessed with losing weight.

E


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:37 pm EST

limbo: Lent isn't until March, what's this purge nonsense?

mf


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:33 pm EST

limbo...yeah, sucks. I'm still active, still play ball hockey (now with my kids joining and it's tough) but geesh, aches and pains galore not to mention hypertension meds and now some sort of lung issue I gotta see a respirologist for. Geeeesh....

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:30 pm EST

Sorry if already posted but good Q and A with DQ...https://nypost.com/2019/01/25/david-quinn-opens-up-on-jump-from-college-coaching-style-and-rangers-development/

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:20 pm EST

RDW and Andrei - agree..now is the time for gamesmanship..and wild propsals and rumors! And the Rangers should be heavily involved over the next month!

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:18 pm EST

BOB - yeah..I'm not expecting another Cup while I'm still breathing! Sounds like alot of fun going out for the 25th anniversary! Enjoy!...LIMBO -- SOrry about the health problems..it's a bitch getting old (OK, older!)!

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:16 pm EST

E__Yes. Excellent atmosphere. Great wine list. Food is good, however overpriced IMO. Butternut squash soup is killer. A lot like a Morton's or Ruth Chris for steaks but much better atmosphere. Nice bar and replicas of Teemu's awards and medals.

Bob


Fri Jan 25 2019 11:41 am EST

BOB: have you ever eaten at Sellane Steak Tavern in Laguna Beach?

E


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:49 am EST

IMO, if the Rangers feel there's little chance that Kreider will be resigned next year, they should trade him now while his return is the highest (and it should be given his season to date and the fact that the team getting him gets at least 2 PO runs with him).

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:28 am EST

Hospo - Ha! I tease 'cause I love. I'm probably not up there as much as others. But, I had kids very late in life and have some health issues. I think my back nine is gonna be a bit rough. Yeesh, that's more morbid than I wanted it to be. Meh - I'm probably just off because this is my purge month. No booze, no sweets make limbo a dull boy...

limbo


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:27 am EST

Hospo, i don't think anyone is expecting Krider to be traded for prospects/picks in 3 weeks. Is he available? Of course he is. Everyone over 24 is, and should be available. If Krider is traded this season, it will be for a younger, impact NHL player. If Krider is still on the roster after the season, he will either be traded during a 2019 Draft, or at the 2020 trade deadline. Just for the record. Krider will be 29!!, when he is going to hit the UFA market. He will be looking for a last payday, a max contract. He scores 30 this season, and 30 next, he will get 7 *$8 contract, and it won't be from Rangers. Folks, i'm sorry, but reality is, that all players over 24, on this current roster, will not be with the Rangers after 2020 season.

andrei


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:24 am EST

I think one could reasonably argue that McD is a better dman than Muzzin. Muzzin's a top 4; McD a top 2 and perhaps even a number 1 dman (he was in NY). If that's the going rate for Muzzin then I concur Kreider would fetch a bounty!

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:21 am EST

Hospo: I'm guessing the sellers are trying to establish a market for their players early on, hoping they can get someone to deal now, for high price. For us, I think it would be best if Ottawa could get Stone/Duchesne signed. As far as Kreider goes, I'm guessing Gorton doesn't want to move him but he's putting out feelers to see what he would fetch. If the price for Simmonds is substantial imagine what Kreider could bring back?

RDW


Fri Jan 25 2019 10:03 am EST

Well HOSPO-this old dude has surrendered to reality. I don’t expect to see the cup lifted by the Rangers again in this life, so I am flying back to NY in a couple weeks and attending the 25th anniversary of 1994 game. The Rangers won the cup 2 years after I moved away after all the years of suffering. I could not get back for the parade so I figure this is my last shot.

Bob


Fri Jan 25 2019 9:59 am EST

limbo - thanks man..I was actually feeling kinda chipper and hopeful this morning..but ..now...I feel almost as old as RF4L, RF73, MF, Stevielegs, Melville, BOB and the rest of the ancient ones..:)

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 9:55 am EST

RHET - I wonder if that is that really an astronomical price or exaggerating by Mackenzie?....Murrzin and his contract sounds alot like MCD from last year (2 Stanley cup runs left on a very favorable contract) and look what MCD fetched...But it gives you and idea (plus more) of what KREIDER would fetch, not that I want to deal him......Pending UFAs and other players the Rangers might want to deal are a horse of a different color

Hospo


Fri Jan 25 2019 9:51 am EST

Vic - I'm picking up what you're laying down. I have very little concern about NYR going down this route. It's not in their DNA. And to think that every 10 years or so, you DON'T need clean house and have a few down years to reboot is nuts. Literally every team goes thru this. We replaced almost the entire roster probably 3-4 times in the last 15 years. It's really nothing to worry about. Now if you're getting up there in years like some of us (*cough*, *cough*, hospo, *cough*), I can see getting fidgety. We only have our wits for so long, and it would be nice to see another cup. While in the trough, it kinda sucks. You grow impatient with losing and just hope you can make it see the upside. I am personally skeptical that Gorts will do what you (and I) want. That is also not in the NYR DNA (e.g. - see no top 3 picks since Park). We shall see...

limbo


Fri Jan 25 2019 8:43 am EST

McKenzie on ‘‘astronomically high’ trade prices.... The NHL trade deadline is one month away, and prices still appear to be rather expensive.... Bob McKenzie had a Friday morning radio hit on Winnipeg’s TSN 1290, and was asked about the potential ballpark for a player like Jake Muzzin.... “Right now the word on the street is that the prices for guys like Muzzin, and maybe Muzzin in particular, are really, really high - like astronomically high,” indicated McKenzie. “And why wouldn’t they be. The trade deadline is still four weeks away. I think the prices are really high.... “So I would assume that the Kings will be saying, ‘We want a first-round pick, and we want a really good blue-chip prospect or young player,’ and that’s what the asking price will be.... “Now, whether it gets met or not, depends how many teams want him, what the other options are. And to your point, it’s early yet. You’ve got to see some other deals drop to know the actual market value for players like that is going to get set at. We don’t even know what the rental prices are going to be.... “But there’s no question in my mind that L.A. will be looking for a haul - and probably more quality than quantity, but a little bit of quantity too.... “Do you have to give up a really good young defenseman and a first-round pick to get Jake Muzzin? I think that would be the starting asking price for what the Kings would be after.” ....Muzzin is in the fourth season of a five-year, $20 million deal that carries a $4 million cap hit and comes with no trade protection.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 8:22 am EST

Vic: I think there can be a culture of losing for reasons you include in your argument there isn't such a thing. But unlike what TD is implying it isn't a mysterious, unresolvable element that permeates an organization regardless of how competent management is and how skilled the players are. Instead it's entirely a management (in)competency issue. You look at the NHL teams that are continually at the bottom and invariably, except for the rarest of exceptions, it's lousy management. The Oilers are the most recent prime example and it's all due to hapless management. Another excellent and perfectly timed example are the Islanders. Garth Snow was a joke. Looks what going on now. Even with the exit of their franchise player, LL and Trots have turned things around (and no I'm not suggesting I'm expecting a 1st place finish and deep PO run in citing them). If the culture of losing, as TD argues, was a real, that organization would never overcome it. Maybe a more appropriate way to put it is a culture of mismanagement. It's why I stated that if the Pack keep losing because the players expect to loss then it's time to fire all the coaches and get someone who knows who to coach in there.

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 8:21 am EST

How did the BlackHawks go from being the laughing stock of the league for decades to winning 3 Cups in the last 10 years? How could that happen if a "culture of losing had set in?". Well, the owner died and was replaced by his son, who transformed that organization from a management perspective. They also drafted some HOF level players. And finally, the put the right coaching and development staff in place. So, they went from a decades long joke to a team that has been envied by almost everyone by changing management, coaching and the players. But 10 years have gone by. And now the Hawks are one of the worst teams in the league. How could that be possible? Didn't a culture of winning set in? Well, first of all the players most responsible for their winning on the ice are 10 years older and not the same players they used to be. KANE still seems to be going strong but TOEWS is a shadow of the guy he used to be. As is KEITH, SEABROOK, CRAWFORD, etc. They have made some bad trades and moves over the last few years that may have helped them in the short term but have hurt their ability to continue to draft and develop young talent. And issues in the organization between the coach and management developed to where the coach was fired. So management hasn't been doing a great job obtaining talent, the players have gotten older and no longer are what they were and now the coaching staff has been replaced. We could do this exercise with any number of good teams or bad teams. We can do it with great teams that went bad, or bad teams (sometimes even for decades) that all of the sudden started wining. In the end it ALWAYS comes down to management, coaching and the players. Teams that are well managed, well coached and developed, and stocked with talented and character players aren't going to lose or be perpetually held down because a "culture of losing set in". And teams that are managed poorly, coached and developed poorly, and stocked with inferior players with no leadership or will to win aren't going to win despite all of that because a "culture of winning" was created in the past in that organization. That is crap. It is akin to saying "We lose because God wants us to lose" or "We win because God wants us to win".

Vic


Fri Jan 25 2019 8:14 am EST

Bob: No, never have. Ryan Ellis is from here and my youngest played with him early on but Ellis was so good he graduated to rep at 7 or 8 years of age. An ex-neighbour of mine played Canadian junior hockey (as a goalie) in the McSorley/Pat Verbeek era (some really interesting stories from him). Both my boys played 12 years of minor hockey here with tons of different kids - other than Ellis the furthest any of those kids got was a 3rd line winger for the Peterborough Petes. That kid was a triple A all-star and absolutely fabulous but struggled to make it in junior A. That's how incredibly difficult it is to make it.

rF4l


Fri Jan 25 2019 8:02 am EST

.....But again when you start talking about teams that are either winning year after year (or losing year after year) there are real, tangible issues at work. It isn't mysticism, witchcraft or disembodied spirits that are pushing a team up or holding it down. It is either bad ownership/management, bad coaching/development, lack of leadership and chemistry on the ice and in the locker room, or a lack of sufficient talent to win. To boil that down it basically comes down to the management, coaching and the players. If you want to know why some teams win year after year or lose year after year that is all you need to look at. Management, coaching and the players. Teams that are well managed, well coached and are full of talented, high character players win. Teams that are lacking in those areas lose. The more they are lacking compared to their competition they lose. Period. It isn't rocket science and it isn't mysticism. Cont.......

Vic


Fri Jan 25 2019 7:54 am EST

E: This "Culture of losing" is a bunch of crap. And it is being tossed around mostly by a lot of people who fear change (as it usually is). Through the course of a season there are ups and downs for every team. We all know this. Teams get on runs where they play so well that they win despite playing poorly in games. And then go on bad streaks where they can't buy a goal or a win despite outplaying their opponents. That is normal. But when you start talking about things like a "shadow cast over an organization" or a "culture of losing has set in", etc. what you are really saying is that the organization is question is being mismanaged from the top on down. Back before Salary Caps were put in place in major sports you definitely had a lot more teams that were bad year after year simply because they were small market, lower profit teams that could not compete with the big market, money making machines of North America's largest cities. Even now in the NHL, NBA and MLB you have teams that are still small market and unable/unwilling to spend to the cap. You also have teams that are not what we would call an attractive destination from a city or social standpoint. Those teams always have trouble attracting free agents and retaining their own players because nobody wants to play there. Continued......

Vic


Fri Jan 25 2019 7:06 am EST

Examining three Rangers RFAs and what the organization should do with them(Hint: Vinni Lettieri, Cristoval ‘Boo” Nieves & Steven Fogarty) .... https://foreverblueshirts.com/examining-three-rangers-rfas-and-what-the-organization-should-do-with-them/

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 6:58 am EST

Henrik Lundqvist today at All-Star Game Media Day: "I take a lot of pride in being a New York Ranger and being a part of that organization. It means a lot to me to have this opportunity to play my entire career for one organization."

tlats


Fri Jan 25 2019 6:53 am EST

New York Rangers G Igor Shestyorkin is coming for Henrik Lundqvist.... https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2019/01/snapshots-draft-rankings-all-stars-hart.html ....ALSO.... New York Rangers ‏ @rangersfanclub ..... David Quinn opens up on jump from college, coaching style and Rangers’ development.... https://twitter.com/rangersfanclub/status/1088762625595527168

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 25 2019 12:53 am EST

Hey RF4L......ever know a kid that made it to the NHL? Just read that story, and I know the 30th ranked kid on that list. He is the son of Craig Johnson, who was my boy’s coach in HS and lives here in SoCal. He was the #1 pick in the USHL draft and is committed to the University of Minnesota.

Bob


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:38 pm EST

Bob McKenzie's latest draft rankings. Lots of nice tidbits here about many of the projected first rounders: https://www.tsn.ca/it-s-still-the-jack-hughes-draft-1.1246625

rF4l


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:10 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ....Asked Karlsson about his future. Said he has no hard timetable for it but realizes it’s coming. Credits the Sharks for giving him space when he first got here to focus on the adjustment to a new team. Gave the organization lots of credit for how they’ve handled everything..... Karlsson must wait until after the 3 pm ET trade deadline February 25 if he wants to sign the max 8-year deal as per a rule in the CBA. But he can sign for fewer years (doubtful) anytime. And of course well, he could also go to market July 1

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:04 pm EST

RHET: Culture of losing as I see is an argument against ejecting every veteran presence with a winning resume out the door and just running with some wide-eyed youths. Imagine these Chytls and Lias characters in their first playoff series when they suddenly realize that NHL teams have another gear altogether that they don't ordinarily see. Very easy to have a culture of losing set in. Thats why its not a development league. You gotta see it for what it is. Its been mused that Chris Krieder and Zib should join the pile of vets for picks and prospects. Just need guys who know how to win when it matters.

E


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:02 pm EST

;->)

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 8:34 pm EST

That was supposed to say MF not Me. Sorry I was thinking of hospo and had an oops while typing ????????

Kis


Thu Jan 24 2019 8:32 pm EST

Me. Thank you so much for the nice thoughts. Some of you I have never met but I feel you are all excellent people. Glad I have met so many good people on this wall

Kis


Thu Jan 24 2019 8:05 pm EST

Bob McKenzie on Spencer Knight: "All 10 scouts we surveyed have him going in the 1st RD & some of them have him as a top 10 athlete in this draft, & there are those connected w/ USA hockey that believe this guy has the chance, as this is big, to be the best American goaltender ever." ....It is the Jack Hughes Draft ....Still..... The gap between the star American and the rest of the field has narrowed, but he remains the unanimous No. 1 on TSN’s Mid-Season #NHLDraft Rankings compiled by @TSNBobMcKenzie: http://tsn.ca/1.1246625

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 24 2019 7:08 pm EST

TD... A couple of things: 1-Where did this losing culture/stink come from? Was it the ghost of losing past? Or did the stink just ooze out of the walls to affect everyone? CHRIS DRURY took over in 2017 and put his own people in place. Not only that, but he and GORTON pretty much purged every player that had been with the team. Gorton then filled the team with a lot of our prospects and the rest were a few vets that could help in case of an injury. So, where did this stink of losing come from? 2-In regard to AHL talent: I don't know what team you are watching but the bulk of the Pack's talent is on defense. Where are all of the talented forwards? Vinni Lettieri? Tim Gettinger? Ryan Gropp? We might have some solid bottom six players, but we're pretty light in the top six department in Hartford. Also, the goalies suck. They may have played better of late but they still suck. We're also not doing GEORGIEV any favors by splitting his time between the two leagues.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 24 2019 6:54 pm EST

CARCILLO has certainly found Jesus so to speak...Good for him. And good for his raising awareness...He's waging a pretty intense social media campaign against Buttman and Soupy, basically saying they're ignoring the league's role in CTE. He's right, but there's also a reason they're doing it...because the minute they admit it, the league is going to get the shit sued out of it and they're basically going to need to do away with much of the brand of hockey that old-school fans love...despite what they claim, the business with the rule changes wasn't to 'make the sport more exciting' or 'high-scoring' or whatever BS excuse they roll out...it was because they were FULLY AWARE of the guys that were turning up damaged and dead...and they knew they needed to take steps to change the sport...which is why it's so flummoxing what they won't take a harder stance toward head shots and the like...nevertheless, Carcillo is doing good work...but like many who are born-again, he gets a little preachy. Gonna keep your kids from playing hockey because of CTE? Really? Ya' know...they don't NEED to play professional hockey...plenty of us schleps manage to play the sport without braining one another...

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 6:45 pm EST

Actually, I can point to plenty of teams that had no business winning squat, but did. On numerous occasions, these were the Rangers...Winning is infections and creates a culture in an organization where losing isn't acceptable. And vice versa, losing perpetually creates a culture where losing is accepted. Is that the Pack's only problem? No not at all. But it's a team with talent on it. As much talent as most of the other teams in the division...they have the second-leading scorer in the AHL...they have the second-highest scoring defenseman in the AHL. They have two solid tenders. They have youth. They have speed. They have skill. There record isn't indicative of who they have in the lineup...and if you ask me, they suffer a similar breakdown on defense that the Rangers do...so maybe it's coaching...but losing does create a culture. You can chose not to believe it if you'd like...but it does.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 5:50 pm EST

TD: I'm pretty sure I said more or less the same thing about Hartford vs the rest of the league. I didn't say the rest of league had better AHL teams. I just said that the team the Rangers have basically sucks. I don't watch the Pack games. And to me it is irrelevant. Despite what they tried to tell us in The Natural...losing isn't a disease. It isn't some mystical power that seizes and grabs a hold of organizations. Teams lose because they either don't have the talent to win, the will to win, or the coaching and preparedness to win. Period. I can give you examples that of organizations that sucked for years or even decades, and then turned it around almost over night to become champions. Why? Because the players changed, or the coaching staff changed, or both.

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 4:44 pm EST

'Get your motor running. Head out on the highway. Looking for adventure - we'll take whatever comes our way...'

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 4:24 pm EST

No decafe , high test or why drink it... get your motor running

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 24 2019 4:22 pm EST

I'll bet you a 1/2 dozen Cannolis & a decaf Espresso from Ferraras that you're gonna freak out at your boy Fishpie at least 5 times before this years trade deadline... And for the 2:1 kicker, that at least one post will clearly be typed on your "Hospo-Caster-Crypto-Phonix" which RF$L may know as the X900 from yesterday...

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 4:03 pm EST

Irving moofman place your bet ... no ronzoni coupons or Monopoly money...

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 24 2019 3:58 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: LOL yeah Shooter and Army....the reason I thought of them was they ended up here in Colorado, the Denver Cutthroats in the Central Hockey League....played a couple years in Denver. Amstrong was the GM and Smyth was a player/coach one year then the second was the Head Coach. Ran into both of them quite a bit out and about around the Denver area...cool guys.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 3:58 pm EST

LotteryLegs: Are you "Racketeering?"

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 3:47 pm EST

Nyr are still in it to win it .... OddsShark OddsShark @OddsShark Updated odds to win the Stanley Cup (Bovada): TBL +260 CGY/SJS +750 TOR/WPG +800 NSH +1100 PIT +1300 VGK +1400 WAS +1800 BOS/CBJ/NYI +2000 MON +2500 COL/DAL +3500 BUF/EDM/MIN +4000 CAR +5000 ANA/VAN +6000 STL +6500 ARI +10000 NYR +11000 FLA +125000 CHI/DET/NJD +20000 LAK +25000 11:13 AM · Jan 22, 2019 · Twitter Web Client 3 Retweets 11 Likes OddsShark OddsShark @OddsShark · Jan 22 Replying to @OddsShark OTT +30000 PHI +25000

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:46 pm EST

During the game vs Boston, we saw CHYTIL drive hard to the net and I was thinking, "I don't want a 19 year old throwing caution to the wind against men on a play like that." ... It's a double edged sword, you drive hard but you risk serious injury.

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:44 pm EST

Some table musings...TB on a different level - do they choke in the post-season?...NYI on top of the div? WTF? I had them last in the 18/19 RFC pool. News flash: I'm a big dummy...My playoff dark horse - PIT. D seems to be ok. O will always be there...NYR with the lowest ROW in the league. If it wasn't for the 5 SO wins (most in the league by 2), we'd be bottom table...CAL - story of the year...ANA seems like they are ripe for an overhaul...COL fading, but who can catch them? Can ARI pull it off? If they get over .500 at home, watch out...If NJD played all their games at home they'd be a decent team...No bottom in sight for OTT...Am I losing my mind, or did they used to post PIMs in the table? A young limbo recalls this along with black, smudgy fingers from the NYP/NYDN while having post-church Sunday breakfast at a early 80s diner in Secaucus (always the same - cheese omelette, home fries, BUTTERED rye toast and OJ)...

limbo


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:34 pm EST

Clowe was one of my favorite players in the NHL over the past 15 years. Its sad to see what happened. Its funny, but some of his concussions didn't seem all that bad but he definitely bashed his head a lot over the years. A lot of fights, blistering checks, and mean play. What we know now is that you cannot play the game that way and survive. Yet, fans will wreck these guys for becoming less and less willing to cut to the middle. Its no fun.

E


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:28 pm EST

I read something recently Dan Carcillo said - he's got a son and a daughter and because they're young and he can control easily what they do and don't do, he's refusing to let them play recreational hockey. It was mentioned that if he waits until they are old enough to decide for themselves, they'll be 10 or so and way behind their peers in terms of skating and therefore, less likely to join. He said 'good, then they won't play.' He doesn't want either child playing any contact sports because he feels concussions are impossible to avoid.

rF4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:25 pm EST

Newf: Yep, must be pretty scary for these guys. There was lots of stuff around a week or so ago surrounding Nash's retirement. I read a Q and A with him and he talked about a lot of different things but refused to discuss his concussion symptoms issues, other than to say that he's quite interested in returning to hockey in some form (probably with the BJs) but wouldn't consider it until his symptoms disappeared. I am surmising his aren't as severe as Clowe's but wow...more scary stuff. First there's the immediate quality of life and trying to deal with the ongoing symptoms but how unsettling it must be to ponder the notion that CTE is creeping in and a very horrible and agonizing spiral downwards to death is inevitability. Of course, not all will suffer that but when you're in your 30s and 40s are still suffering from concussion induced symptoms, how can you not think about that? Scary and depressing I'd say...

rF4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 2:06 pm EST

rF4L.....the Growlers are in the ECHL and play out of St.John's NL, former home of the baby Leafs and the Baby Jets,both of the AHL. Just goes to show how bad concussions really are,years later and he can't even Coach. The NHL should be paying out Millions to theses guys (never gonna happen)

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 24 2019 1:56 pm EST

OAN, Ryan Clowe the head coach of the Growlers (not sure what league this is) has had to step down due to persistent concussion-related issues. I recall he suffered multiple concussions during his career and if I'm not mistaken, he retired early because of that. Chalk up another retired professional hockey player with a compromised life. Yikes...

rF4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 1:43 pm EST

If the Pack are losing because the atmosphere is poisoned via too many years of losing then the entire coaching staff needs to replaced. A significant aspect of a coaching staff's responsibility is to instill the proper culture on the team. If that's actually what's going on, these coaches are failing. Miserably.

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 1:40 pm EST

https://www.tsn.ca/it-s-still-the-jack-hughes-draft-1.1246625

RDW


Thu Jan 24 2019 1:19 pm EST

Vic - Wrong again. The Pack has PLENTY of talent. This is another common fan misconception...that AHL rosters are FILLED with top-end talent. Truth is, most top-end talent ends up in the NHL...it's a factor of the speed of the NHL and the need for teams to comply with the cap. You said you looked at Hartford's roster. Well, did you take a look at the others in the division? Aside from the first place Checkers, what roster is really jumping out at you as so much more talented than the Pack? Bridgeport has DAL COLLE and HOP SING, but after that? Lehigh has RUBTSOV, HART, and Phillipe MYERS...Springfield: I'm not sure there's anyone on that roster who could be considered a viable top prospect now that BORGSTROM is in Florida seemingly to stay. Maybe McCOSHEN or Jayce HAWRYLUK...Wilkes-Barre is even worse...Anthony ANGELLO is about it down there...P-Bruins have a few decent pieces...VAAKANAINEN, FREDERIC, SENYSHYN and ZORBIL were all former first rounders...CELARIK and LAUZON are all former picks from the top three rounds...But they're five points better than the Pack! And then there's the Hershey Squirts, which are pretty much devoid of talent. Lucas JOHANSEN is a former late first rounder...Riley BARBER is talanted, but aging out of being a prospect...Ilya SAMSANOV was a former first rounder and VANECEK was a former second rounder --both goalies though...So which of these teams is so much more supremely talented than the Pack? In fact, most of them seem a lot like the Pack...a collection of lifers, free agency NCAAers, Europeans and a smattering of top picks. This is your prototypical AHL team...but somehow teams like the Falcons and Penguins win games. Why? Because they don't have the stink of losing.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 12:27 pm EST

2017 Entry Draft: https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/draft-history/2017/

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 11:19 am EST

And I remember the quote was from August of 2017.

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 11:18 am EST

Wildcard......wow, Smyth and Armstrong,that's blasts from the past for sure . And you are 100% right. They looked like 'can't miss', 'scoring machines' in the AHL. Remember the Ferraro twins ? I think it was Chris and Peter, same thing with them.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 24 2019 11:07 am EST

TD and RF4L: I've posted a quote in the past that was from the NY Post. It was either GORTON, OTBG or AV. I'll try to find it again.

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 11:03 am EST

TD: I'm with you on the myth that the Rangers drafted Andersson higher than they should have because they were counting on him being an NHLer the following October. I recall OTBG saying just what you quoted (that he needed another year in Sweden). I think perhaps Gorton said Andersson was more physically ready to play in the NHL vs most of his draft class and that was (mis)interpreted as the reason he was selected. It gained traction for those trying to justify the reach to pick him so high and over time it simply morphed into perceived fact.

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 11:00 am EST

Wild: Having too many assets is a good thing and what all GMs should strive for because as you say, it gives the team the ability to trade to fill other holes or nab extra future picks. I've expressed that on here for YEARS: Savvy GMs trade for extra picks and they don't have to be firsts or even seconds. Lousy GMs continually trade them away and that's something Nob for Life is overtly guilty of doing. Almost from the day he was hired he started trading away picks (and this is long before he flipped all those 1st rounders). I've listed them in the past and couldn't be bothered to dig all that info up again, but examples I remember off-hand include a 3rd for McCabe, a 2nd for Antropov, 2 2nds for Clowe, a 5th for John Scott and so on and so on and so on. Reckless short-sighted GMing without a doubt.

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:47 am EST

Vic - That's simply not true. The Rangers felt he was close, but I never saw anyone but fans say he was "NHL ready" --i.e. to start the year in the NHL the year he was drafted. Here, from NHL.com on June 30, 2017: 'Gordie Clark, the Rangers' director of player personnel, said he believes one more season in Sweden will have Andersson NHL-ready."He's a [heck] of a player," Clark said. "We've really needed a certain kind of player to add into our organization. This guy, his work ethic and his ability … you're going to love him and the fans are going to love him. He has the combination of the grit and the ability that we've been looking for...He's not a dynamic scorer, he's a dynamic player in the way that he plays. He's just so driven driving the net, forechecking, finishing checks, and then he can make a pass, make a play. I mean, he's playing in the men's league, and HV71 won it and he was a prime player for them in the playoffs. He plays more of a North American style, and that's what we like about him." (link: https://www.nhl.com/news/new-york-rangers-lias-andersson-hopes-to-land-on-roster/c-290233826) Oddly enough, Gordie NAILS Andersson right here. Describes him to a T. And he also says Andersson needed another year in Sweden. Just so happens he was ahead of their schedule and when the Rangers saw him in the WJCs, they made the decision to keep him in North America.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:37 am EST

rf4l: yeah the top 6 forward positions are not looking like they will be quickly filled up from within....there is a chance they could be, but that's all the chips falling correctly...and how often does that happen? On D from NON Rangers scouting reports it seems like there are 3 or 4 kids on D that should be NHL regulars....and it may be as high as 5 or 6. There is actually a good chance that the Rangers will not have enough spots for them all, not because they will fill the top 6 D spots, but because there are only so many bottom pair, or more like 4, 5, 6 D spots on a roster. So they may have those assets to move on another season or two to continue to keep the pipeline flowing.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:34 am EST

rf4l: i think you are correct that the only things going now will be pending UFAs...we might see a deal end up growing, a pending RFA (say Vesey or Buch) going for a pending RFA of the same age and skill set...the good ol' change of scenery type move....but I doth think we see any flat out none UFA trades done at the deadline. Gorton will be, and rightly so, focused on making sure he doesn't lose player for nothing to UFA deals this summer. That should be the priority now. If all the other deals get done, and someone calls about a more established player, Kreider for instance, or Shatty or Smith, those deals might happen, but I think the only signed player we may see moved is Smith because his trade list gets smaller (from 15 to 10) once this NHL year ends so they may actively try to move him....but as you said, we will be waiting until June before we see the final movements of this year, and maybe even as far off as UFA season, if a team misses out on a UFA they may try to get a player to fill the roster spot they wanted a UFA to fill.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:30 am EST

Wild: Meskanen and Gettinger have potential but to what extent and when? I'm not writing either off but at this point in time, the Ranger brass have to be considering them as bottom 6ers, if they develop to that extent. And there's nothing wrong with that. Teams need young cheap players graduating from the feeder system across the entire lineup - if either make it kudos to them and to the Rangers for making it happen. The number of top 6 forwards and top 3 d-men, however, will be the difference over the next 2 to 3 years on whether or not the Rangers become a legitimate PO contender. Howden, Chytil and Kravtsov for me is a good start. I remain hopeful that Andersson will eventually become a regular Ranger. If Buch can figure himself out, that's another top 6 forward to add to the mix. On D there's a slew of young prospects (Lindgren, Hajek, Rykov, DeA, Poink, Miller, Lindqvist, Keane); by numbers alone it's reasonable to assume at least 2 of that group will become NHL regulars and possibly up to 4 or 5). In goal there's the 2 Russians plus Wall apparently is looking solid. Finally, how many more high picks will Gorton land for the 2019 draft? He's already got 3...

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:22 am EST

Vic: No, it's not stocked. Nob for Life stripped it bare over several seasons; short of trading everyone 23 years of age and over, it's going to take a few years to replenish. Gorton started his rebuild slowly and almost discreetly with the Brassard for Z trade (but compromised that deal somewhat with the 2 seconds for Staal trade 8 months later). The Stepan deal amped things up a bit then of course, the purge at last year's deadline really put the rebuild into full gear. We're going to see a repeat of that in the next 5 weeks. The only question is (besides the return he manages to pull in) for me is if the assets leaving will consist solely of the pending UFAs. Once the deadline passes, then we'll have to wait until the draft to see what else, if anything, he's got planned.

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:17 am EST

rf4l: I don't know about that forward lines thing...I mean Meskanen and Tim Gettinger are pure rookies. The former I dont know much about really, other than he has done well at every level he has played. He might be a 3rd line type at the NHL level if he can play the other parts of the game away from he puck....the latter is a big kid who may turn into a 4th line wing after developing a couple seasons in the AHL....not guaranteeing anything, but I think its far too early to say they will not make the Rangers lineup on a regular basis some day...or perhaps another NHL roster if the Rangers move on from them. Its just with first year pros who are not pegged as top end players its hard to tell what they will end up being....but your overall point stands, the Rangers farm team doesn't have a lot of NHL sure things....a lot of tweeners though...and maybe a couple lower line guys. Again however, the team sucks because they don't have top end AHL lifers...those are the teams high up the standings.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:14 am EST

STEVIE: Good points and I agree. WILD: Agreed on ANDERSSON. He was seen as going between 15 and 20 in the draft. Most of the scouts that I read thought he was NHL ready or close from a physical perspective, from a competitiveness perspective and from a defensive play perspective. There were many that questioned if he could ever be a top 6 player because he lacked that top level skill/talent, but he was very likely to be a good NHL player. The Rangers took the "sure thing" and a guy who they thought could contribute immediately over higher skilled, longer term project-type players. As for the AHL, it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of teams were like the Rangers. Led by journeyman AHL guys and a smattering of kids with an outside chance at making it in the NHL. My guess is that the better teams in the NHL who have drafted really well also have better AHL teams because there are less spots for their draft picks to try to seize at the NHL level and those teams have no need to rush their development. RF4L: I didn't count LINDGREN in there I guess because I already see him as an NHL player right now. He is already better then SMITH. With CLAESSON out he belongs in NY. And if the Rangers trade any of STAAL, SKJEI or CLAESSON then LINDGREN will stay for good I would think. The best prospects for the Rangers in the AHL right now are certainly on D if you count HAJEK and LINDGREN. And organizationally there are a bunch of D kids in Juniors with only KRAPSHOT anticipated as making an impact as a forward. The cupboard isn't as bare as it was a few years ago for sure. But I wouldn't call it stocked either. Not even close......

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:13 am EST

RF: Yowsa, that's a despairing post!! LOL

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 10:09 am EST

Dolan knows absolutely nothing about hockey except what the financials "tell" him...as an owner that is his right...but he has an obligation to have the team run by competent/knowledgeable individuals...In that light, Sather is a textbook narcissist...Gorton is the demon seed of Sather...His "yes" man...Protected until the teams performance leads to significant/consistent numbers of no-shows and then he will be thrown under the bus/fired/promoted...and Quinn is the "rookie" trying his damnedest to produce a competitive team but who doesn't have the cred and experience nor the personnel to have a voice/threaten either his boss or his bosses boss (part of the reason he was hired)...His job is to "fix a flat tire without a jack." This trade deadline/draft led by the DSG Bermuda Triangle of mismanagement will determine the direction/future of this organIzation for many years to come...Not a pretty picture based on what has been painted thus far.

RF73


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:52 am EST

Vic: I agree with you - the talent is lacking on the Pack. After Andersson I don't see anyone who's got the potential to be a Ranger on the forward lines. Hajek and Lindgren of course on defense are legitimate prospects and Geo in net. I, too, am intrigued by Crawley but as you say, bottom half d-man at best. Their record, in other words, is indicative of their talent.

rf4L


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:48 am EST

I mean look t I think they are 2nd in the AHL, Grand Rapids...they have a rook Zadina, who is 5th in scoring with about a half point per game....the top 4 guys all have 10 years or so in the AHL save Puempel who is 2nd on their scoring list. The number 6 guy is like a 15 year AHL pro. The top teams in the AHL are the teams with the top AHL lifers....while there is some talent from young guys on the roster, they dont suck becsaue the AHL lifers, the Wolpack suck as a team competing in that league, yes, but they have more guys who are prospects than many of the other AHL teams. With the Pack half the guys in the top 10 in scoring (one has been traded away) have more than 3 years in the AHL, two of those top guys are pure rookies in the AHL, a couple are in their early years (Anderson, Fontaine, Gilmour). The pack are set up as a place for development, other teams are set up to win the Calder cup...the Rangers brass has not put emphasis on building a winning AHL team....right or wrong thats the path some franchises take.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:37 am EST

Looking across the AHL...MOST teams have their top guys as AHL lifers, the Pack are not alone in that. Its rather rare now in the AHL (due to the NHL cap stuff) to have a top guy be a young up and coming guy on an AHL roster...they usually end up at least up and down or up after the halfway point because they are dominating at the AHL level, the guys who lead AHL teams in scoring are the Brad Smyths or Derik Armstrongs of the world, AHL lifers who have some experience at the NHL level but just cant bring their game to that next level. I dont know how the depth of actual skill compares between the pack and other AHL teams, but I would bet there is about the same type of drop off, and the few young guys trying to figure it out as a pro.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:31 am EST

Vic: My point was that the Rangers were not alone in thinking Anderson was close to NHL ready....it was widely talked about. His scouting reports from all the independent groups, the guys on TSN and from NHL network....Anderson was considered a safe pick because he was near NHL ready and would, while not be a high end impactful guy, would impact the game through his good all around talent with and without the puck, who could help a team in all situations and play up and down the lineup. This wasn't some case where everyone was saying one thing while the Rangers were saying differently.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 9:28 am EST

Vic which is why I think fishpie is doing in backwards. He should be stocking Hartford with good prospects, and promoting them when they are ready. He should be calling up Holland as a place holder , and fill the nhl roster with more of the same. For the most part the nyr rookies would have been better served spending more time in Hartford. Even if he ran a shuttle for those kids including Georgie boy . And maybe there would be a better record in Hartford creating a winning culture. And the nyr could naturally tank for a top pick, that hopefully he would not rush to the nhl. But he’s in a rush to put kids in the lineup. I think most would have been better off getting promoted next season. While getting some nhl experience this season. Rebuilding restocking retooling etc belongs in the ahl and below first . If he screws up next season, he should join chicka boom in being an ex nhl gm.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 24 2019 8:48 am EST

TD: I just took a look at the Wolfpack roster. And you know what......they don't have any talent. Certainly nothing much at the forward position. HOLLAND is their leading scorer with 44 points in 41 games. HOLLAND is an AHL player who proved he isn't good enough to play NHL hockey. But at least he has the talent to be be a point a game guy in the AHL. Outside of him you have LETTIERI with 24 points in 24 games. LETTIERI has had two long looks at making a bad Rangers team and hasn't been able to stick either. And then there is ANDERSSON with 17 points in 25 games to to along with his -13. Their D has a solid prospect in HAJEK, who by all accounts is struggling in his first pro season. O'GARA can play bottom pair NHL minutes on a team like the Rangers. And I've liked what I've seen of CRAWLEY in camp the last two years but if he makes it to the NHL it will also be as a bottom pair guy. In short.....that team sucks. They lose because they suck.....they lack talent.

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 8:36 am EST

First, on ANDERSSON. The Rangers absolutely drafted him in large part because they thought he was already NHL Ready. I forget if it was GORTON or OTBG who said it after the draft but I've posted the quote here before. The Rangers had already lost LINDBERG in the expansion draft a few days before. At the draft they moved STEPAN and his contract, along with RAANTA for DeANGELO and the 7th overall pick. So at the draft they only had two NHL Centers on their roster. There is no doubt in my mind that the Rangers, in large part, went off the board about 10 spots to take ANDERSSON at #7 because they believed he could step in and play right off the bat in the 2017-2018 season. And if you read in-between the lines of their quotes they basically said as much. You got confirmation of that over the next few weeks when the Rangers did absolutely nothing to sign any other Centers or trade for any other proven NHL Centers with the exception of DEHARNAIS. They were planning for ZBAD to take a step up and seize the #1 Center spot, HAYES to step up and seize the #2 Center spot and ANDERSSON and DEHARNAIS to take the bottom two spots unless BOO or someone else earned a job in camp and pushed DEHARNAIS to wing. That is why they were stunned and totally unprepared for how underwhelming ANDERSSON was in camp in September 2017. That is why they made the desperation moves of trying to find anyone who could play Center as the season started. So you had the desperation waiver signing of CRACKNELL at the start of the season and ultimately PAUL CAREY playing 60 games for the Rangers because they simply had no other viable options. They tried BOO for a while but he wasn't ready. When you look at everything that was said and done I have no doubt that the Rangers were counting on ANDERSSON being in the lineup for the 2017-2018 season. And were totally unprepared when he showed up to camp and looked so over his head it was clear he wasn't close to being ready.

Vic


Thu Jan 24 2019 7:27 am EST

RF4L - The Pack are a GREAT example of how a losing culture is stink no organization easily washes off...You can't look at their roster and say they don't have talent or that they're a bad team...it's impossible...Can't say they don't have defense or a decent goalie...and yet they can't string together any sustained period of winning...I watched them a few weeks ago and would have loved to brought back a shining report...but I fortunately went to the game with a flash of Bulleit in my back pocket and quickly went two tall boys deep...that and the Pack literally folded over the course of something like five minutes, so drinking heavily and browning was my sole recourse...but the one thing that stuck with me in that game above how any player played was how quickly they went from solidly in the lead to down three goals...it's the stink of losing. And if you talk to fans who watch the Pack a lot, none of them can fathom where it comes from. They like the coaches. They like the players. They see talent...but then there's that smell...that reek...Pack shouldn't be in last place. Not in their division. There are so many other teams that have less talent...and yet there it is. The stink. Losing breeds losers.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 7:16 am EST

ANDERSSON was NOT drafted because he was NHL-ready...That's just simply not how a GM like Gorton drafts...Was he considered close to the NHL? I don't know. Maybe? I seem to recall hearing someone say that...I know a lot of US figured that's what the Rangers were thinking...I might have even said that in the heat of things...but I also blasted the CHYTIL pick in the heat of things...pretty venomously too...If I were to pick out the reasons Andersson was drafted, the first and foremost would be his approach toward the game...he's a never-quit player who has an uncanny nose for the net...not a guy who is going to wow you with moves or silky hands...but a guy who is skilled and plays with an edge. THAT is why he was drafted.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 6:35 am EST

Vic: it wasn’t the Rangers who thought Anderson was close to NHL ready...he was talked about and it was written that he was one of if not the most NHL ready player in the entire draft.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 24 2019 6:30 am EST

Nylander would be the best proven talent in that trade scenario

mf


Thu Jan 24 2019 5:55 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin earned his 20th win of the 2018-19 season while making his 24th appearance of the season today. Shesterkin has posted a 20-3-1 record with a 1.21 GAA, a .947 SV%, and 8 SO this season.... Shesterkin has posted a 75-9-4 record, along with a 1.54 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 23 SO in 91 KHL appearances since the start of the 2016-17 season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 24 2019 1:44 am EST

I assumed y'all were talking about deadline deals...in which case it makes ZERO sense to trade either NYLANDER or KAPANEN unless it's going to bring you back someone like Drew DOUGHTY. Always a chance it happens, but I remain skeptical. And as for who the Leafs will trade, RF4L, that's kind of my point: You're not going to get the top prospects moved...you're going to get the B-listers...And that means guys like BRACCO...which is fine if you're trading a lower-echelon defenseman like SMITH or McQUAID....but I don't think either one fit the bill in Toronto...and alas, I really think the one guy who DID make a ton of sense there was moved to Tampa last season...certainly SKJEI does as well...I think the Leafs would love to get their hands on a kid like that...but the Rangers would certainly be looking for more than a B-lister for someone like him...and I don't see the Leafs parting with the likes of NYLANDER for him, even though I think a straight up deal would be close to fair...would be a ballsy move for both teams...but like I said...I think Nylander, if he's moved, will be dealt in the off-season...and I think SKJEI is in the Rangers' long-term plans...probably close to untouchable.

tdchi


Thu Jan 24 2019 12:43 am EST

Rangers looking at defensive dilemma when Neal Pionk returns.... https://nypost.com/2019/01/23/rangers-looking-at-defensive-dilemma-when-neal-pionk-returns/

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 11:03 pm EST

Bob...say it's so!!!

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 11:02 pm EST

Vic: Totally depends on what they think of Skjei. Also, I know you think Andersson is a bottom 6 forward and that conclusion you voiced like 2 minutes after he was selected. For me and I've said it continually it's way too early to draw such definitive conclusions. In other words, your Ranger negative biase I think might be clouding your viewpoint.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 10:56 pm EST

Glen Sather back to Edmonton!

Bob


Wed Jan 23 2019 10:46 pm EST

RF4L: Think about it. Do you really think Toronto would be willing to trade NYLANDER (a 22 year old kid with two 60 point seasons already, and a guy who is locked up for the next 7 years at will most likely be a very attractive contract) for SKJEI (a guy who had a good rookie season and has struggled since) and ANDERSON (a kid who was drafted because the Rangers thought he was "NHL Ready" two years ago but still doesn't seem to be good enough to hold down a bottom 6 job on a bad team). Why would they do that? That would be a horrible return for them.

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 10:17 pm EST

Rhet thy can't.. Even with the 2019/2020 Cap at $83 mill, they need to get it all done with $26mill...

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:53 pm EST

Forgot to also mention that they can exceed the cap by HORTON's $5.3 million.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:49 pm EST

TD... Look at Toronto's Cap space for next season. They have $22,449,301 available and have to sign both MATTHEWS and MARNER to long term deals, fill out the defense and at least sign KAPANEN to a bridge deal. You tell me how there going to achieve all that without moving anyone?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:33 pm EST

Heez Tai=Ping on the 2019 Hyspocaster X900

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:30 pm EST

Hospo...smartphone 60+ age and fat fingers lsnguage. Lololol

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:27 pm EST

RF4L - what language are you typing in? I know, pot meet kettle..

Hospo


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:16 pm EST

BTW the Oack suck. Again. FIRE SATHER!

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:13 pm EST

TD: we're talking about a hypothetical trade which would take place after this season is over, not during this season

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:04 pm EST

TD...Lilegren has dropped in thw leafs young guns lineip. Ssndin eho they drafted 1st round last year has suroassed him. I know you like Bracco but he's considered a so so prosoect.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:02 pm EST

hit send too soon...He knows he's got a defense in the pipeline. If he jumps the gun now, he's gonna look like a boob when some of these guys break into the league.

tdchi


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:01 pm EST

And I don't have a psychic connection with the Leafs' wunderkind GM, but I would be VERY surprised if he traded NYLANDER, KAPANEN or LILJEGREN for that matter...especially given some of the talent on the Marlies: BRACCO, Trevor MOORE, TIMASHOV to name a few...maybe even the GOAT...I don't see them dealing for a top-pairing D-man before the deadline...Dubas, unfortunately, is not Chiarelli...he knows he's got a defense

tdchi


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:01 pm EST

And I don't have a psychic connection with the Leafs' wunderkind GM, but I would be VERY surprised if he traded NYLANDER, KAPANEN or LILJEGREN for that matter...especially given some of the talent on the Marlies: BRACCO, Trevor MOORE, TIMASHOV to name a few...maybe even the GOAT...I don't see them dealing for a top-pairing D-man before the deadline...Dubas, unfortunately, is not Chiarelli...he knows he's got a defense

tdchi


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:00 pm EST

NYLANDER is Top Line Talent and he's proved it.. Low Risk! Anderson has proven nothing.. "IF" RF is accurate and they were to toss in LILIGREN, it's a much easier sell to the NYR's & fans as LILIGREN is a 1st round #17 pick & Anderson is a 1st round #7, and then it's Skjei for Nylander

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:55 pm EST

TD..need a couple of hours to digest 2 posts ago but your last one? Agreed and I'll add to it: Skjei is far better than that.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:53 pm EST

Vic...well my friend you would be wrong!!

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:52 pm EST

Ya'll are nuts with this trade ANDERSSON business. If you're saying SKJEI **AND** ANDERSSON for NYLANDER, it really shows how little you've seen of Andersson...

tdchi


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:45 pm EST

RF4L - I tell you what: The ONLY slack I'll cut CHIARELLI is that it was the stupid f@cking Oilers who hired him and everyone in that front office should have know better. Chiarelli was a VERY known commodity...to hire him and not expect that he'd royally F@CK this team...well that's a little bit like living with the grizzly bears and being surprised when you end up the main course...Peter Chiarelli is perhaps the worst GM this league has seen since Mike MILBURY...I seriously can't think of anyone worse...and that includes your boy Sather...In fact, Chiarelli is like Sather on steroids...just a guy who trades on pure emotion and hunch and who doesn't take a minute to think things out before pulling the trigger...The fact that he has a cup to his name is a goddamn miracle of the likes this planet has never seen...But 2016-2017 you say...why did THAT work...well, it didn't in the end...they won a round and got kicked to the curb...what Chiarelli and the Oil DID manage that season was to pretty much tie together a very bad team with duct tape and chewing gum...in a sense, they were a bit like this year's Leafs...just a powerhouse up front...couldn't play D against them because McDAVID, RNH, DRAISATL and EBERLE would kill you...Couldn't rough them up because MAROON and LUCIC were prowling the ice...but once you started to pick apart that team, you realize they were all a mirage...their defense was downright awful...and the only way they got as far as they did, save for the offense, was TALBOT standing on his head most nights...But look at who they had back there...LARSSON. Is he good? Meh? You said it best: He played solid. But solid isn't good enough for your top defenseman...they also had SEKERA, who had wheels and could help out the forwards...and a healthy KLEFBOM...but get past those guys and you have Kris RUSSEL, Matt BENNING and well... a bunch of trash. That was probably the worst defense in that playoffs...and it was no surprise at all that when Klefbom and Sekera both had injury-ridden seasons, suddenly the Oil started to look very mediocre...even with one of the best players in the league...But back to Chiarelli...The guy is a moron. Plain and simple. Let me pick out some highlights of his stint as Oilers' GM...for the sake of space, I will not go into the travesty of his career with the Bruins...so let's start with trading for Griffin REINHART. He was overrated when the Isles drafted him...probably picked a good five or six positions higher than he should have been...and was well on his way to being a bust when Chiarelli swooped in and offered not only the 16th overall in a very deep draft, but also a second...The Oilers not only passed on BARZEL, but CHABOT, BOESER, CONNOR...man...just brutal...next: Holding on to YAKUPOV for a season too long...Chiarelli could have moved Yak at the draft for a modest sum. At BARE MINIMUM, he could have gotten back a first rounder...maybe even a prospect...but instead he moved HALL...I'm sure the reasoning there was that it was now McDAVID'S team and there wasn't enough room for them both...but instead he holds onto Yak, who goes on to prove without a doubt he's a bust, and the ended up with an ECHLer and a third rounder...which he traded...for another third rounder...who is now in the ECHL...I won't belittle the TALBOT deal...much...but man, he had two swings at Martin JONES, who is a much better goalie, IMO...and two years younger...and who has been to the cup finals since...but I digress...Let's just slide into the Justin SCHULTZ situation...Schultz had/has his warts...never going to win a Norris Trophy, because his defensive game ain't that good...but the guy is the PERFECT add for special teams...and instead of having an ounce of patience...he trades him away...for a third rounder...who is now in the SHL, and doesn't appear to be NHL material...Schultz, OTOH, now has two cups and was an integral part of the second one...Adam LARSSON for HALL. I mean, SHIT. WTF?! Larsson was barely in the Devils' top four when he was dealt...and there were all kinds of issues with him...I bet if you could go back in time to a couple weeks before that deal and you offered them essentially what the Oilers traded for REINHART, Shero would have jumped out of his skin for that deal...instead, Chiarelli moves a dynamic offensive force and leader for a "solid" complementary player...I needn't say much about the EBERLE-to-STROME-to-SPOONER transition...but again...if you looked at where Strome was with the Islanders when he was moved...the signs were there...he had struggled to stay in the Isles' top six and it was becoming more and more clear that he wasn't going to be some powerhouse player...But the insult-to-injury is that Strome was FINE with the Oilers...he was a player they needed! And if they were going to trade him, then why not for an organizational need?! Just pure Chiarelli madness. And then of course, the bouncing of PULJUJARVI...this is a player who has immense talent, but who needed an adjustment. Chiarelli looked at his two linemates from the WJCs...AHO and LAINE...figured if they could be in the NHL, so should Puljujarvi...when what he needed was big line minutes SOMEWHERE...so yeah...I wouldn't waste too many tears for Chiarelli...he is more than worth of the jeering and criticism he's getting today...the only real question is why didn't he get it when he was hired? A leopard doesn't change its spots and there's no amount of laundering that would wash the stink off of this butthead.

tdchi


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:27 pm EST

Really?? I would think if the Rangers made an offer of SKJEI and ANDERSON to Toronto for NYLANDER they would laugh and hang up the phone....

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:20 pm EST

Disagree. Too much from Rangers. Add Liligren to the Leafs offer and I'm listening.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:04 pm EST

Rhet: Skjei/Anderson for Nylander in a NYCity second...

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:42 pm EST

Hey, here's a novel concept.... Edmonton Oilers ‏ Verified account @EdmontonOilers .... #Oilers Entertainment Group CEO & Vice Chair Bob Nicholson says the organization wants "our younger players to develop more in the American Hockey League" moving forward..

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:21 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... Lias Andersson tallied his sixth goal of the season in the first period of Hartford's game tonight. Andersson has registered 17 points (six goals, 11 assists) in 25 AHL games with the Wolf Pack in 2018-19. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:11 pm EST

MF.... In regard to NYLANDER: You'd have to start with SKJEI and Andersson I think.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:08 pm EST

It would be nice if the NYR could get TO interested in one of our defensemen... Maybe SKJEI? .... Per theScore ‏ Verified account @theScore ..... Leafs reportedly scouting Hurricanes' available defensemen. https://thesco.re/2UcJ6yG

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 6:33 pm EST

HockeyNews: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/buy-sell-or-stand-what-should-each-team-do-with-the-deadline-approaching

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 6:17 pm EST

Mf...maybe but that's an off-season trade.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:51 pm EST

RF: Both are LHS, IYO, could we structure a trade with Toronto around SKJEI for NYLANDER? t/y

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:48 pm EST

Mf...no. neither Hainsey or Gardiner will be moved by the deadline. Suspect however neither will be back next year.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:38 pm EST

VIC, correct. Toronto must move salary off the roster, Kapanen does not achieve this..... NOT resigning Hainsey & Gardener "both UFA's at seasons end free's up $7mill... "Do the Maple Leafs try to move either or both before the deadline as to not risk losing them for nothing after this season?"

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:29 pm EST

RF4L: You may be right but KAPANEN is emerging as a really good young player for them. He has been an important contributor for them this season. Doesn't giving him up for an upgrade on D have diminishing returns? I would think they would want to improve their D without having to give up anything significant from the current roster (again, assuming NYLANDER is off the table). They could do that with a smaller move like a rental of McQUAID. I can't see how they bring in a significant player (and contract) on D (that doesn't expire this year) without having to move a significant contract (i.e. Top 6 roster player) out. They have some interesting decisions to make. They chose to spend a lot of money on TAVARAS without paying any attention to their D. That has put them in a difficult position. In retrospect I wonder if they regret not having acquired McDONAGH at the deadline last year?

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:26 pm EST

The Hockey Writers ‏ @TheHockeyWriter .... New York Rangers Prospect Corner: Kravtsov, Miller & Wall.... https://twitter.com/TheHockeyWriter/status/1088198458765443072

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 4:06 pm EST

Vic: A package of the Leafs first rounder, Kapanen and a prospect would likely fetch the Leafs a very good return. I'm not implying that Dubious is prepared to offer that - he's playing his cards extremely close to his chest, ala Jeff Gorton - but from where I sit they can afford to give that up without compromising their immediate future.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 4:03 pm EST

Vic: Dubious is adamant he's not moving Nylander. He declared that before Nylander was signed and has repeated his stance several times since he was signed. IMO, if he changes his mind it won't be until after he signs Matthews and Marner and only if the sum of their salaries is higher than what he's been projecting. That of course, won't occur until the off-season, at the earliest.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:58 pm EST

I don't really know much of anything about the Leaf's wants/needs in the trade market. But looking at the team the first thing I have to ask is if they are trying to deal NYLANDER before the deadline. If so they have a lot of options for who they can target in terms of picking up a really good young D from somewhere. A guy who could step in a help them in a deep playoff run right now. But, if they don't intend to move NYLANDER their options are much more limited from a Cap perspective. And I would think it would be difficult for them to find the other pieces they would need to move to clear out Cap space. Or they could have the team they are trying with eat salary. But doing so will cost them even more. So if they aren't going to do anything big at the deadline like that then what small move (involving the Rangers) might help them. There are a few Rangers that come to mind that I think could help them now and wouldn't hurt them much against the Cap. At the top of my list would be McQUAID. They could also have interest in FAST. Outside of those two I can't see the Leafs as being a good trade partner for the Rangers. They don't seem to want (nor can they afford) what the Rangers would most like to trade them.

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:27 pm EST

stevie: LOL...well I'm as sure as one who is nothing more than a brilliant observer can be! And FWIW the Leafs acquiring Shittenkirk even if the Rangers eat 1/3 of his salary has a taint of desperation to me. I just don't see Dubious doing such a thing.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:12 pm EST

Irving moofman I'll let you know after February 25th...by then it will be probably the same story, retire sather , fire fishpie....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:08 pm EST

LEGS: simmer down, "in Fishpie we trust!" he's doing fine... Go put Sather out to pasture in Banfffff, addition by subtraction, besides, it'll make RF's day...

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:04 pm EST

rf4l are you sure they don't want captain kirk ?...can you get that in writing from their gm ?....the moofman will keep going until you get that....lol

stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 3:02 pm EST

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2019/01/21/mike-babcock-on-the-lack-of-power-play-opportunities-if-you-do-a-little-study-of-the-league-if-you-dont-take-a-lot-of-penalties-you-dont-get-a-lot-of-power-plays/

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 2:46 pm EST

It is rather funny that the media is attacking the Oilers and Chiarelli so venomously and have been so for well over a year now. Go back to the start of last year (16/17) and many of the same folks were predicting the Oilers would represent the west in the cup final that year. The team was coming off a PO finish that saw them dispatch the Sharks in 6 games and take the Ducks to 7 games. They were led by Draisital who put up 16 points in those 13 games. Adam Larsson played solidly. Talbot was very strong - his play made Chiarelli look like a genius in that he acquired the goalie for some mid-round picks. The future looked rosy. It began to come apart early next year and the issues started with the Prince; he was not providing the top-notch goaltending he had the previous season. That created a ripple effect throughout the lineup, as wonky goaltending inevitably does. Now, it's all a gigantic mess and the media has clearly forgotten their brilliant prognosis of 20 months ago....

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 2:30 pm EST

mf: They don't need a PP QB - they have Morgan Reilly who puts Shittenkirk to shame. Gardiner can also do that and Dermott is up and coming. Trust me dude, the Leafs will have zero interest in Shittenkirk.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 2:16 pm EST

RF: I just reviewed Toronto's D and they most definitely need a top 4 RHS D'man....... SHATTENKIRK is not a bad option for them, and we can eat salary which is a big plus for them...... Toronto has $26 Million in Cap Room next season "IF" the cap is increased $3.5million to $83 million, AND signing MATTHEWS & MARNER will eat at least $20mill possibly more... Then they have 6-8 other roster spots to sign..... Something over there has to give over there, they are top heavy....... Shattenkirk is a good option for them, he can QB a PP........

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 2:00 pm EST

RF: I agree on PIETRANGELO however the Blues were in a go for it mode and trading Pietrangelo is contrary to their game-plan coming into the season... They sure seem to be Sellers this year, but I don't think that they're moving Pietrangelo or Parayko.....

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:53 pm EST

There are no guarantees that we can draft the talent AT the position/s most needed when draft time rolls around. Who's to say that the player we do draft becomes a top level at their position? ..... I doubt very much that Kreider or Z'bad get moved, they're signed for additional term and are part of this teams nucleus......... Hayes & Zucc are in another category due to their UFA status... Hayes & Zucc will not be treated equal as 1 is a center, & 1 is a wing, and HAYES is 4.5 years younger than Zucc.... I don't for a minute think that the Rangers are as deep at center as some here do and as EL'Bee mentioned in his recent article... Until we acquire a 1st line center which pushes Z'bad & Hayes to 2nd & 3rd line, we're not deep enough at the Pivot... I also don't see us attaining such a talent at center during the these years of Z'bad & Hayes years UNLESS we sign a UFA like Duchene, or if we trade for a guy like NYLANDER and shift him over to the position..... ZUCC I see being moved to a competitor by the deadline..... This is Not a fire sale situation, Gorton is doing fine... I wish that he squeezed another 1st round pick last season and drafted a RHS D'man, but thats water under the bridge... I hope that he acquires another 1 or 2 1st round pick for this year, as I see us moving back up the ranks beginning next year and it "may" be harder to & harder to do so as our record improves............ OAN, IF we're Weighing one against the other, I think we should go harder after NYLANDER than after Ottawa's 1st round pick....

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:50 pm EST

mf: The Leafs would love Pietrangelo of the Blues. They are seeking a legitimate established top 4 defenseman, preferably with some size and physicality; not someone who's struggled the past 2 years to be considered a top 4 defenseman.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:48 pm EST

Some nice feedback/updates on a few Ranger prospects: https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-prospects-kravtsov-miller-wall/

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:27 pm EST

ILYA: seems as more and more players have put winning on the back burner vs. money the New York Rangers will always serve as a destination for quality players. I’m less worried about attracting talent as I am seeing a winner built. The New York Rangers can walk away from this UFA market with an impact player. If the New York Rangers cannot pull one in, that’s a missed opportunity. They have cap space and need to open the vault a little to lure someone in. Of course a good fit is what I’m talking about.

E


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:08 pm EST

Ok let’s trade Kreider Zibad and get some picks and prospects having said that all we get are good and dreams that’s it , we won’t be able to sign UFA’s they’re not interested in coming to rebuilding team so forget it they’re not coming here just to be traded to contender would rather go to contending team as UFA , we’ll have nothing but unproven prospects we won’t be able to trade for top pick bc the kids we have still unproven and won’t be able to trade for veteran for the same reason we would have bunch of kids !!!

Ilya


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:00 pm EST

It’s worthy to point out that the NHL isnt a development league per se. players have to cut their teeth there of course but it’s a graduation league. And the New York Rangers have a lot of guys in elementary school. And waiting for a Lundqvist or Miller to come and rescue your defense? Recipe for years of losses. With no guarantee that those guys will actually deliver the goods. I could care less about the term retool. If you’re shedding your players for prospects you’re rebuilding. This team has done a great job restocking. Like I mused often: the great purge ends at latest the draft. The deadline is one of the last great opportunities. You’re fully restocked after the draft. Time to build your team.

E


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:36 pm EST

E "At what point does a rebuild just become an exercise of hopes and dreams".....?......it seems like the most fervent supporters of what they hope fishpie is doing , you just defined. ....catch the elusive butterfly,.... let the genie out of the bottle....rearrange the chairs on the titanic....

stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:29 pm EST

E: I agree with all of that, and that is why I said I wouldn't want to trade KREIDER unless the return was phenomenal. BUT.....as for your last sentence I can only reply by asking you this: At what point does a RETOOL just become an exercise of hopes and dreams????.....;-)

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:24 pm EST

IMO Kreider is more productive with DQ at the helm with AV gone....

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:05 pm EST

Chris Krieder isn’t gonna get you into the top-5. And I strongly contend that he is one of your franchise cornerstones. He has become an impact player on the ice. And the way his net front game has evolved it’s just hard to replace his skill set. He’s one notch below star but I don’t want to keep in the mode of dump everyone who is at xxx age. That’s no way to run things. I’ll part with anyone. I don’t care. I have no true allegiance to players any longer. I have no jersey bought in the last 15 years with a players name on it. But intelligence matters. I hear the arguments on the benefits of trading a guy like Chris Krieder. I’ll state this. On a team that has no elite scoring on it, getting rid of your most productive players for a shot at an unknown in the future? There are limits. And if this is the thinking then Zib, Fast etc... should all get their bags packed because they’ll all get you a good draft pick in the top-2 rounds and some prospects. And then Lias can finally get first line minutes on a team that serves as NHL roadkill. Establish a great tradition of losing for losing sake. When Chytil or someone else jumps into the hole and can match CK and cover his production? That’s a new story. At what point does a rebuild just become an exercise of hopes and dreams?

E


Wed Jan 23 2019 11:15 am EST

I also concur trading Kreider for a pick between 10 and 15 doesn't make sense. It's gotta be top 5 and/or a young player of value (such as William Nylander - purely an example here folks).

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 11:12 am EST

schneidw: That's exactly what I've been posting about, for several weeks now. I was wondering when LB would chime in! To reiterate my thoughts: I don't believe it's imperative Kreider gets moved but for the reasons LB cites Gorton needs to consider it. However, in no way shape or form should this be something deemed mandatory, meaning the return should be substantial. Otherwise, you live with the very real risk that Kreider will be a Ranger only for the next 18 months.

rF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 11:07 am EST

Hospo the question is what is the fishpie time mindset. For selfish reasons he would be 5-7 , but I doubt the owner would tolerate that. I’m not sure what his timeframe is except that he’s sort of rushing kids to the nhl. I hope it’s 1-2 years tops . Otherwise he might find himself as another chica boom boom , gone.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 10:01 am EST

SCHNEIDW - All depends on the time table...again, if you dont really aim to contend for the cup for 5-7 yeafs and just want to wait for Kids'are-Us (which could work or blow up), then deal Kreider, deal ZNAD, deal SKJEI, deal everybody under 23 and TANK..otherwise..look to extend an re-up guys liek Hayes and Kreider and do what LB outlines

Hospo


Wed Jan 23 2019 10:00 am EST

Rhet - very interesting about Hank and no 40 win seasons. If anything, that speaks even more to his consistency. He never had that incredible year to pad the stats. Just slow and steady really, really good seasons. Plus, in his defense, he only played 70+ games once during the past 10 years. Quick math, looks like he averaged about 60 games in that time frame.

limbo


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:56 am EST

STEVIE - From 05:53...exactly....I hope to god the Rangers are meeting with HAYES' rep this week to kinda ascertain his potential demands AND, based on them, either push to extend or get trades lined up....Also hope they are looking to makimg deals for guys like BUCH, VESEY, NAMESTNIKOV inadditon to the other potential UFAs

Hospo


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:55 am EST

KREIDER- Larry Brooks makes sense with his article today... the Kreider situation is absolutely the same as last year's Ryan McDonough... Kreider is a UFA after next season and will be difficult to resign without overpaying during a time of rebuilding which makes little sense... the team acquiring #20 will get him for 2 playoff runs which is HUGE considering his below market contract... Kreider needs to be traded as much as I hate to say it.... where Gorton will earn his stripes is finding a way to unload Shattenkirk without taking back too much salary.....

schneidw


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:51 am EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-oilers-need-a-fresh-set-of-eyes-and-someone-with-a-clear-vision-but-the-short-term-will-still-be-ugly

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:40 am EST

Glen Sather for Oiler GM!

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:24 am EST

Hey, we could hirer Chiarelli and it would guarantee a really high draft pick......LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jan 23 2019 9:02 am EST

The OILERS have three former GM's on their payroll, including Kevin Lowe, Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson. Of course they wouldn't go with any of them. How long before they hire CHIARELLI in another role?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:32 am EST

Keith Gretzsky assuming a bulk of Chiarelli's duties until new GM in place. Keith Gretzsky?? WTF? The old Oiler regime's tentatacles remain firmly in place.

RF4l


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:25 am EST

I wonder if Hitchcock will get the job and remain coach until he hires one ? Maybe he will hire sather to be the coach.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 8:02 am EST

As for Edmonton, lets hope the new GM there wants to make a big splash and trade away anyone and everyone who has any connection to CHIAPET...... You know......just like SATHER did when he came to NY and immediately set out to trade anyone and everyone drafted by or connected to NEIL SMITH as quickly as possible. Lets see how things unfold. My guess is that Edmonton desperately wants to make the playoffs this year. To do that they are going to need to part with some of their current roster/assets. And the young assets aren't going to interest teams that are looking at playoff runs this year. They are going to interest teams that are sellers......like the Rangers. Should be an interesting month or so in Edmonton....

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:57 am EST

STEVIE: With an organization in the position that the Rangers in I don't think anyone is off the table. You listen to trade proposals for every single player and asset you have. But that doesn't mean you are in a rush to trade them unless the deal just blows you away. KREIDER is in that camp for me, along with a few others. KREIDER is a player that can definitely help a team in a playoff run. His size and power alone would be coveted by a lot of very good fineness teams. Everyone knows how physical the playoffs can get. And a guy like KREIDER, who brings top 6 scoring, deep playoff experience and the ability to break a game open with his speed, is a tremendous asset. I wouldn't be opposed to the Rangers resigning him if it can be done with a reasonable contract. And I wouldn't be opposed to the Rangers trading him but he is by far the best trade asset in this organization right now. And if he is being traded I would want a King's Ransom in return. So for me if the Rangers are trading KREIDER it better be something like to Colorado for Ottawa's #1 next year. Or to Edmonton for DRAISAITL. If the Rangers have to sweeten either of those deals (or something similar) to get them to happen so be it.

Vic


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:49 am EST

https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2019/01/23/oilers-finally-fire-gm-chiarelli-report/

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 7:29 am EST

Ryan Rishaug ? @TSNRyanRishaug Peter Chiarelli has been fired by the Oilers. Done deal

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 5:53 am EST

“Otherwise, if this organization is serious about building, competing and accelerating the rebuild through judicious trades, pinpoint drafting, effective development and targeted free-agent signings, the notion of dealing Kreider just as he is coming into his own at age 27 seems slightly insane.”..... But tell me: Are you convinced a player selected with a hypothetical 11th-overall pick will be more valuable in another three to five years than Kreider? He certainly won’t be next season or the one after that.”.... therein lies the difference in philosophies.... to trade haze zucchini mcquaid et al does what for the nyr over the next 2 years versus resigning them for 2-6 years.... the only guy on the hot seat is fishpie, and he put himself there . He can’t just play musical chairs to play cya and risk having his chair connected to high voltage with jimmyboy and fans saying ‘ more power to you’....his goal should be to make the playoffs every year while building a winning culture into Stanley Cup contender .... 33 more days for him to show more of his cards .... the mighty Quinney deserves to have a say in the decision process....

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 4:51 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/22/only-perfect-deal-should-pry-chris-kreider-from-rangers/

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:25 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/over-the-boards-dan-rosen-mailbag-january-23/c-304143994

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 1:03 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/blue-jackets-gm-jarmo-kekalainen-talks-artemi-panarin-sergei-bobrovsky-futures/c-304138236

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:59 am EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏ Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug .... 3 straight losses heading into the break give ownership and upper management next to no option at this point. My belief is a change will be made, likely in the next day or so.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:54 am EST

Scott Wheeler ‏ Verified account @scottcwheeler .... Here’s the thing about firing Peter Chiarelli: How on earth could you allow him to handle the Koskinen negotiations, and why did you wait until the eve of the trade deadline? The whole thing is rotten, and they’ll probably replace him with one of the alums.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:36 am EST

NYI are rumored to be very high on BOBROVSKY if he makes it to UFA. Maybe the FLERS too. They're ALWAYS looking for a goalie.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:31 am EST

Aha, So they did.... Well, that article on the SJS says thier weakness is in goal, maybe Bobo to SJ!?!

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:20 am EST

MF.... I guarantee you that BOBROVSKY will not be going to EDMONTON. They just signed KOSKINEN to a 3-year extension. Please sell the Traderator.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:20 am EST

For you West Coast Boys: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-san-jose-sharks-are-a-stanley-cup-threat-with-one-potentially-fatal-flaw

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:17 am EST

RF: you've said a few times that SHAT is not a good fit for Toronto... Toronto has dressed 4 LHS & 2 RHS Defensemen for most of the season with Ron HAINSEY a LHS playing the Right Side, and I think he has Not played on the 3rd pair. I just read a short brief that states that Hainsey should be on the 3rd pair........... They definately need help on the back line, so IYO, do we have a D'man they need and want?

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:13 am EST

Sounds like Chiarelli could be shitcanned at any moment per some reports on Twitter

RDW


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:12 am EST

Bob, dumping Talbot for which guy? ........... OAN: Both TALBOT & BOBROVSKY are UFA's at the end of this season and BOBO with 1 foot out of the CBL organization.. EDM has Cap issues, buy I wouldn't be surprised to hear about Bobrovsky to EDM.

mf


Wed Jan 23 2019 12:03 am EST

LeBrun reports the Penguins have inquired about Micheal Ferland. LeBrun speculates perhaps Derick Brassard could head the other way and Carolina could possibly flip Brassard closer to the deadline for assets. Dreger chimes in and says Brassard would be ok with that scenario.... LeBrun on Insider Trading reports Jeff Skinner and the #Sabres will meet in early February to begin contract talks.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 11:55 pm EST

RF4L... Why should TALBOT go wherever the OILERS want to send him? I don't blame him for not wanting to go to the FLYERS. They are a terrible organization. ALSO: The guy won 42 games a couple of years ago and 31 last year. BTW, Hank has never won 40 once in his career.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 11:30 pm EST

Not cool at all to make this kind of comparison.... per Stat Boy ‏ @StatBoy_Steven .... Nils Lundkvist is on pace for 10 points in 48 games this season, which would be the 7th highest by any u19 D-man in the SHL since 2000, and would tie him with Erik Karlsson. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 11:06 pm EST

Edmonton is dumping Talbot for THIS guy? Yikes.

Bob


Tue Jan 22 2019 10:22 pm EST

If the Prince blocks any deal he's got an over-inflated sense of his value. He was very good his first 2 years there and has struggled since. There's zero coincidence that the team has struggled since his struggles started. Teams simply don't win with any regularity without solid goaltending regardless of their skillset. Most, if not all, of the teams that struggle year after year lack quality goaltending. Should your goalie be your best player? Not necessarily. Should your goalie be average (or worse)? NO! It's too important a position for averageness. Averageness = backup for decent teams. The Prince is a backup goalie. And there's no shame in that...

rF4l


Tue Jan 22 2019 10:12 pm EST

schneidw: Because Shattenkirk is exactly what the Leafs don't need...

rF4l


Tue Jan 22 2019 10:07 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... 25 years ago tonight, in his #NHLAllStar MVP performance @TheGarden, #NYR Mike Richter robbed Pavel Bure on a breakaway...a bit of foreshadowing... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1087908240640430081

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 8:16 pm EST

If, in fact, TALBOT blocked a deal to the Flyers, I wouldn't blame him in the least. The future there is Carter HART. And they have others in the pipeline as well. He's looking for a team where he'll be a starter. And besides: a trade to the Flyers is jumping from the frying pan into the fire. The hatchet has already axed Hextall and Haskel...and to my point...if you're looking for a team that's even MORE of a tire fire, look no further than the Flyers...I'm not sure how anyone could look at that franchise and still think the Rangers are the worst-run team in the NHL...and they've HAD the top selections too...and they've had a pipeline of good players...just a miserably-ran organization. Not sure how you roll from the days of RICHARDS and CARTER, make trades that were an absolute coup for the franchise and still come up empty handed.

tdchi


Tue Jan 22 2019 8:12 pm EST

EDM: Its not like Ryan Strome has any value either... he is a BUST if you consider his draft position.... marginal 4th liner on a playoff caliber team.... Spooner has talent.. defensive effort is weak....

schneidw


Tue Jan 22 2019 8:05 pm EST

Congrats to Mariano Rivera and Mike Mussina! ....NEWFIE... Fairly or unfairly, Taylor Hall was a guy labeled as being a locker room problem. these are quotes from Hall at the time of the trade: "In Edmonton, I really didn’t want to talk to coaches. I didn’t really want to have dialogue with coaches." ...."Not talking to a coach, not having a dialogue, also means not listening to the coach and at the NHL level that’s not a recipe for success."....this was also corroborated by at least one former teammate that the locker room atmosphere improved once he was dealt.... Hall had a change of heart and attitude when he was deal to the DEVILS.... Now it would be easy to just blame the player, but the OILERS are notorious for not developing players and I would argue that it's just as important to do that when they're off the ice just as well as on. You need to mold them and help them learn how to be professionals. Having solid citizen veteran's to learn from is huge. That's why you don't want a team of all kids, but that's JMO. Of course the NYR usually pick guys based on them having a history of being solid citizens. A guy like Taylor Hall would learn from the guys around him rather than ruining the atmosphere in locker room. Much the way he did with the DEVILS. BTW, Peter CHIARELLI had similar issues with Tyler SEGUIN in Boston. Seguin has also been nothing but a solid citizen in Dallas. Go figure.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 7:58 pm EST

Why NO Shattenkirk???? https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/maple-leafs-trade-watch-5-right-shot-defencemen-toronto-target/

schneidw


Tue Jan 22 2019 7:37 pm EST

As for Edmonton, Eberle for Strome. Strome for Spooner. Spooner on waivers.... Then SPOONER CLEARS WAIVERS because no one wants him. It appears he will be in the lineup for the OILERS tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 7:29 pm EST

Rhet: Yep, I was joking and no goalie in his right mind would want to come here while we have Hank & Georgiev splitting games and S on the way from the KHL. But, that said, if Edm wanted Georgiev in a bigger deal with the Rangers I could see them being willing to take a backup goalie back as part of the broader trade. But, not going to happen....

Ranger47


Tue Jan 22 2019 6:46 pm EST

IMO we’ll be a bottom 5/6 by the end of the year. With Hayes, Zucc, McQuaid etc. most likely gone by the deadline we’re going to be struggling to score and defend. Unless Henrik and Georgie stand on their heads the rest the way I don’t see how we aren’t competing with the Devils at the bottom of the division. We’re only six points ahead of them now and they’ve been absolutely terrible. Not to mention, with Hayes and Zucc gone we’re really going to be a one line team. Maybe I’m a doom and gloomier but that’s just the way I see it.

RDW


Tue Jan 22 2019 6:13 pm EST

TD: I for one absolutely see what you see. Yes, the Rangers are not a great team....and they are not a horrible team (although I would call them a bad team). They are essentially in the middle (more like the bottom of the middle). But what I, and many others here and outside of the Wall, have been saying is that being in the middle is the absolute worst thing you could do. And to get stuck being a mediocre team year after year is basically the definition of being in Hell in modern sports. It is far better to be abysmally bad because there is a REWARD for being be that bad. So the cycle that many teams have followed over the last 15+ years is to be really bad so that you can get the best young talent in the league. Then you build your team around that talent and rocket right past mediocre and into one of the top teams in the league. Some organizations get stuck in the abysmally bad stage. But I'd still rather be one of those organizations then an organization like Minnesota. Because after a decade of being a really mediocre team their prospects for winning the Cup are as bad or worse then they were 10 years ago. And if they keep fighting to be a playoff team in the West that is all they ever will be.....a team that makes the playoffs a lot but never wins a Cup.

Vic


Tue Jan 22 2019 6:03 pm EST

Ranger47.... I know you're kidding, but there is a Zero % chance there. Not because I think he loved it so much while he was here, but because he and his agent both know that the NYR have 0 need for a starting goaltender. Why wouldn't you put the NYR on your list of teams you can be traded to, especially when you know they're not going to want you? It's a smart strategy. Anyway, there are rumors that he's willing to add to his list of 10 teams.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 5:54 pm EST

Tradestar: I agree with mf 110 percent. And thus your analogy is 110 percent lost on me. Look, I take a reasoned approach with the Rangers. Sometimes I do let my passion for the team bias me, but shit man...there are so many folks here who simply don’t have even the foggiest grasp on what a really bad team looks like. The Rangers aren’t going to win much of anything with their current makeup, but they’re not even close to as bad as the worst on this league. In other words, they have their moments. Case and point: The game against Boston. They STILL have the frame work of a good NHL team. They need to add to it...and how they do that is up for interpretation...but to look at what they have and say “BAH!!! Damn it all!!” Well, you’re gonna be throwing the baby out with the bath water. You build on a gram. You don’t tear it down. Now if you don’t like the frame as some here clearly are of the mind, then you’re probably not going to like Gorton very much, IMO. Certainly, I could be wrong...but I simply don’t see the wholesale changes some want in the coming month.

tdchi


Tue Jan 22 2019 4:28 pm EST

Rhet: It would be a pisser if the team he's rejected was the Rangers!

Ranger47


Tue Jan 22 2019 3:54 pm EST

Interesting that Talbot is blocking that. You'd think given his lousy 2 years, he'd go anywhere in hopes he can land a decent contract this summer.

rF4l


Tue Jan 22 2019 3:10 pm EST

I'm going to guess the FLYERS??? ....Per David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Also told Oilers recently offered up Cam Talbot to a non-playoff team in the East, a club they’ve spoken to before about him, as part of larger deal, but seems as though they remain a team he won’t accept move to (he has 10-team no-trade list, willing to lessen it).

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 2:56 pm EST

David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Among the forwards the Oilers are exploring via trade, told the Rangers’ Mats Zuccarello and the Senators’ Ryan Dzingel are among the ones they’ve already inquired about.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 1:58 pm EST

Today is the 25th Anniversary of the All-Star game @ MSG....with Richter, Graves, Messier and Leetch all playing......Which reminded me of a funny story.....Have a friend who worked for the NHL during this time.... It was a low level out of college job.....and he was working the All-Star game that year.....and after the game he saw Leetch come out of the shower in the locker room....and it was like the elephant in the room....He said that Leetch had a baby's arm for a schlong.......Thought I would share that memory so you think of it when u think of #2 in the future...

tradestar28


Tue Jan 22 2019 1:00 pm EST

I don’t like the Edmonton McDavid comparison. The New York Rangers at their core are a better team then the Oilers. And your point that McDavid can’t elevate a team in today’s game is so noted. As for Panarin? He’s another guy who can’t do it alone but I’ll say this. He generates offense all on his own. He is a binaries superstar and game breaker. He is a guy that you can count on to generate north of 70 points annually and likely give you a few 80-90 point seasons. Not saying that he is the guy for NYR right now. He might not be. But he is as dynamic a player as you will find out there. And in the superstars argument you can also point to John Tavares who couldn’t drag a subpar NYI team anywhere. ChAmpionship level teams now have guys that can hit 30 goals from the 3rd line. You need serious depth. I look at WPG, TB, TO, SJ, Nashville etc... and they are so deep it’s unbelievable. The New York Rangers have a bonafide 2nd line and some at best 3-4 defenders. They have a lot of holes to fill. Not one game breaker away yet but it starts somewhere. Gotta invest in someone or develop a few. Personally, I think what’s keeping the New York Rangers back is their defense. It’s just garbage with very little to like. Pionk, McQuaid, Shatty, Skjei? None of these guys is a top pairing defender. And that maybe the position that the New York Rangers May have to open the vault for more then anything else. Because they have nothing on the horizon to fix that tire fire.

E


Tue Jan 22 2019 11:52 am EST

Is there some "inside " shit why Hall was traded from EDM.....I'd love to know cause ,it still ranks for me as one of the WORST trades in NHL history.Thus making Cirrelli an idiot !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 22 2019 9:43 am EST

Schneidw.... You are way off. Chiarelli fired Jeff Gorton. Gorton was up for the GM position, but Chiarelli was hired instead. Gorton stayed on as interim GM until Chiarelli had finished his duties with OTTAWA. Once that was done, Chiarelli fired him and one of the main scouts. That's when Gorton came to work for the NYR. I can't imagine he is too fond of Chiarelli.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 22 2019 9:33 am EST

TD: From your answer last night.....You talked about McDAVID being in the league for almost 4 years now and that the Oilers are a team trying to fight for a playoff spot. That is absolutely the case but they did make the playoffs in 2016-17. Still, even with the best player in the game it has been a struggle for that dysfunctional team. But then you go on to talk about the upcoming "KRAVTSOV effect" propelling the Rangers. Really? The kid hasn't played 1 second of North American hockey yet he is going to propel the Rangers into the playoffs. So the best player in the game can't propel a bad team like Edmonton into the playoffs but a total unknown kid is going to propel a bad team like the Rangers into the playoffs? That is wishful thinking my friend. And I do like the skill that CHEETOS has been showing this year. You can see the flashes of brilliance. Exactly what you don't see in any way, shape or form in ANDERSSON. But still, it is monumental leap to suggest that CHEETOS is going to take the career path of a guy like PASTRNAK. Right now CHEETOS shows flashes of brilliance in an otherwise mediocre season. I think he continues to get better. I don't know what his ceiling is but it will be decided by how he plays on a consistent basis, not on these flashes. And you can bet that this little move that he has shown over the last few games has been noticed by everyone around the league. They are going to take it away from him and force him to do something else. Can he continue to adapt his game and find new ways to be a difference maker as the league adjusts to him. Lots of questions. And guys like BUCH and VESEY have been toiling around for years without ever establishing any consistency. Neither may be with the team next year. And that brings me to PANARIN. Is he a really good player? Yep. Is he the kind of difference maker that can put a team on his back through the playoffs? Nope. Never has been before and he certainly isn't that guy in Columbus. He has played well with star players, which he wouldn't have any around him in NY. I would absolutely be against signing PANARIN on a long term, big money contract. Even if they were to somehow land HUGHES or KAKKO at the draft it would likely be 3 to 5 years before those kids were good enough to carry a team. By then PANARIN would be well on the downside of whatever bad contract the Rangers gave him. He would be more of a liability then an asset....as has been the case every other time the Rangers have done that. This is not the time to make a big splash in free agency.

Vic


Tue Jan 22 2019 9:11 am EST

34 days but who's counting?

mf


Tue Jan 22 2019 8:38 am EST

Oh man is Chiarelli ever taking heat for the Spooner waiver move. It's clearly not his worse move but on it's own really is unacceptable when you consider the fact that Chiarelli's regime drafted him in Boston and had him for a couple of years. In other words, he should have known better. Gorton needs to swoop in and perform some more pillaging.

rF4l


Tue Jan 22 2019 8:07 am EST

Hospo: I see a PO finish a possibility but a run? Mmmm...not I!

rF4l


Tue Jan 22 2019 7:25 am EST

EDM- Wasnt EDM GM Chiarelli the mentor for NYRs Gorton? I can't recall if they worked togetehr in Boston...

schneidw


Tue Jan 22 2019 7:24 am EST

EDM: clearing cap space for a trade?? http://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nhl/news/twitter-reacts-edmonton-oilers-peter-chiarelli-ty-rattie-ryan-spooner-waivers-nhl-hockey-news-transactions/1u14qilyn6kfj1mkt33jmlz66b

schneidw


Tue Jan 22 2019 5:09 am EST

Ask the genius sather, over Dunham was a #1 goalie in his mind.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 22 2019 3:11 am EST

Colorado Mark.....I was more of a Doug Soetart guy

tradestar28


Tue Jan 22 2019 1:29 am EST

Andreas Johnsson Out With Concussion JANUARY 21, 2019 AT 9:25 AM CDT | BY GAVIN LEE LEAVE A COMMENT If you were a team holding onto a defensive asset hoping the Toronto Maple Leafs would come calling at the trade deadline, one of your biggest targets may have just been knocked out of the lineup. Andreas Johnsson, one of the Maple Leafs’ young forwards that has speculated as a potential trade chip this season has been ruled out of Wednesday’s action with a concussion suffered in last night’s game against the Arizona Coyotes. Johnsson was hit by Niklas Hjalmarsson in the corner and did not return to the game. Johnsson, 24, is in his first full season in the NHL after winning the Calder Cup playoff MVP last year. The Swedish forward has 22 points in 43 games while bouncing up and down the lineup, seeing time beside Auston Matthews of late. TSN’s Frank Seravalli had recently listed Johnsson at #24 on his Trade Bait board, just behind fellow Maple Leafs forward Kasperi Kapanen. Both players are pending restricted free agents and could be cut loose given Toronto’s upcoming cap crunch. For now though, the Maple Leafs will have to operate without Johnsson in the lineup and find out a way to get back on the right track. The team has lost four of five games and is loosening their grasp on the second spot in the Atlantic Division. If that sparks action in the front office, it’s unclear whether they would be able to get full value for Johnsson now that he is out indefinitely with the second reported concussion of his North American career.

mf


Tue Jan 22 2019 1:04 am EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/adam-larsson-is-struggling-and-the-ship-keeps-taking-on-water-in-edmonton

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:42 pm EST

TradeStar- I was a little kid when Wayne Thomas was a Ranger. I loved him. He, (and later Glen Hanlon) was my underdog Ranger goalie hero. Probably why I was. Ever more than a backup goalie, lol.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:15 pm EST

Golf Sucks

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:12 pm EST

NEWS: #mnwild has acquired defenseman Brad Hunt & a sixth-round selection in the 2019 #NHLDraft from the @GoldenKnights in exchange for Minnesota’s 2019 conditional fifth-round pick.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:02 pm EST

RF4L - if they do what you want them to do, yes..But if they resign Hayes..a solid UFA or two..and swap out certain players for DQ types or maybe a kid or two...then, why not? Now, no Hayes, no UfAs, no smart trades, I agree

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:34 pm EST

To me to think the Rangers have a shot at a PO run next year requires a brain reboot...

rF4l


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:26 pm EST

E - then you are expecting some really big time UFAs to fill the holes of (likely) Hayes, Zucc, McQuaid because there is little help coming for the not yet ready kids..Only CHYTL has really showed anything...and guys like Vesey, Nieves, Namestnikov, BICH are just running out of time or no answer..Maybe there will be big UFAs..we'll see

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:08 pm EST

TD: I am expecting to see a playoff team next season. Maybe a 6-8 seed and a 1-and done best case next season. But you’ll see competitive hockey again. That would be a great springboard into an opening window to contend. That’s just reality and if everything is done right. This is what I realistically expect.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 9:57 pm EST

Hughes is like Patrick Kane. Perennial goal scoring machine that is dominate with possession. A great consultation prize for sucking. He’s a franchise cornerstone and franchise player. Obviously he is not a generational talent but whoever lands him will be straight giddy.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 8:36 pm EST

TD: Agree with not putting all the eggs in the lottery basket. Let's assume Hayes and Zucc are traded for a few decent prospects and picks. You sign the Breadman, Krav comes over, and add a good depth forward via free agency such as a winger I love in Donskoi. Panarin-Cheeto-Krav, Kreid-Z-Buch (hoping for him to put it together), Names-Howden-Donskoi, Fast-Lias-Fill in the blank. Not a world beaters lineup but could be competitive while still developing acquired talent. My fantasy Rangers team for next year.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:49 pm EST

Man... This is why I love tdchi.... Because watching the Rangers this year and last year is the equivalent of playing golf and slicing the ball into the woods, 3 to 5 putts once on green... And a bunch of sand traps.... But then on the 18th hole... U rip the ball off the tee 250 yards straight like it was fired out of a Cannon... And then get on the green with a short iron.... And finally 2 putt for par...and now u love golf again and can't wait for your next round.. .basically tdchi and his optimism is this situation for the Rangers future...

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:27 pm EST

The Oilers drafted McDAVID almost four years ago. They are barely a playoff team. I would be a fortune that they will not win the cup this year, and believe you'd be pretty safe to bet the same next year...HUGHES is a very good player. But he's not in the same league as McDAVID. No way. If you're ripping apart your team for the sole hope of getting this guy...when even as the worst-overall team your chances max out at less than 1 in 5...well...then you've got to build around this guy...Well...let's ask the Caps how easy it was to build around OV and BACKSTROM...took more than a decade to find a winning mix..."Lose for Hughes" is a novelty. But if it's your game plan? Yeah. You better be looking five to seven years out...So back to the Rangers...Sans HUGHES, is it possible they hit a cup run next season? ABSOLUTELY. Is it probable? No. But possible? Yes. First, the QUINN effect. This guy took a season to move BU from a tire fire to a force. I don't doubt that the lineup that emerges next fall will be much more representative of what he wants on his bench...Second: CHYTIL. I don't think it takes a pro scout to see that we have something special here. If he takes another step forward after his first full pro season? Think about how David PASTRNAK has developed with the Bruins...Third: The KRAVTSOV effect. Again, this kid is the real deal. Certainly, you're not going to bank on him being a superstar next season...but an NHLer? Yes...I mean, I can keep going. Lord only knows where they'll be. But if they end up with a lottery pick, PANARIN and don't gut the lineup at the trade deadline, I expect to see a very competitive Ranger team next fall.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:59 pm EST

A non hockey sports story.... I was at 2 of the games . This probably was one of them .1969 was a long time ago , that considered a fact ? ......https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/mets-legend-reveals-story-behind-one-of-the-greatest-catches-ever/

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:58 pm EST

And in the "relying on sub-par goaltending" category, I give you the Oilers...who just signed KOSKINEN to a longterm contract. For f@ck's sake...someone has got to fire Chiarelli. But not until he deals us PULJUJARVI for Brendan SMITH.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:55 pm EST

Chris Johnston ‏ Verified account @reporterchris 20m20 minutes ago More Mikko Koskinen extension with #oilers: 2019-2020: $5.2M 2020-2021: $3.3M+$500,000 SB 2021-2022: $4.5M

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:53 pm EST

Or....does it mean that if the Rangers "LOSE FOR HUGHES" that they won't be competing for a Cup for 5 to 7 years? Because if that was what was meant then I would certainly agree. But here is the catch. If they don't "LOSE FOR HUGHES" does anyone here actually believe that this team can compete for a Cup in less time then that???? I'm serious. Lets even assume that they go out an sign DUCHENE and PANARIN in the off season, and then resign HAYES (even though they won't have the money to do all three or probably even two of the three). Take everything they have in the organization right now (minus MZA and McQUAID) and add in DUCHENE and PANARIN. Does that smell like a team competing for a Cup in NY over the next 3 to 4 years? Because it doesn't to me. It looks like a playoff team to me. But it doesn't look like a team that can compete with and beat any of the top teams in either conference in a playoff series. I'm just curious what you folks are thinking and how you are looking at this organization. I discount every single AHL player and junior level prospect that the organization has right now. It if 50-50 at best if any of them make it in the NHL or even make it as a top 6 forward or top 4 D. That goes for KRAPSHOT, HAJEK, ANDERSON, etc. I have no idea if SHESTERKIN can even play goal at an NHL level. He may end up no better then GEORGIEV. This has been my issue with the concept of "retooling" this organization from the start. That gets you to a Cup how? Because this team is severely lacking in the kind of top end talent that it takes to Win a Cup these days.

Vic


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:47 pm EST

Colorado’s goaltending stinks. I think they are going to miss the playoffs. Being a one-line team is not good enough these days

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:43 pm EST

I'm curious....what does "punt for the next 5 to 7 years" mean? Does it mean not making the playoffs for the next 5 to 7 years or not competing for a Cup for the next 5 to 7 years. Because even the "LOSE FOR HUGHES" contingent around here has never said that doing so means they can't make the playoffs for 5 to 7 years. In fact, if the Rangers were to grab the first or second pick in this draft I would expect them to be a team competing for a playoff spot within 3 years. Or.....

Vic


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:32 pm EST

AV's Losing 3-1 against Nashville with 3 minutes left. The Preds without Ryan Johansen who is serving the 2nd game of a 2 game suspension

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:06 pm EST

Eddie Mio was great.... He would make that glove hand save and hold the puck and frame it for about 5 seconds so every photographer in the building could get a shot of him picking cherries

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:05 pm EST

But Terry Kleisenger was the worst

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:03 pm EST

And last but not least.... Wayne Thomas and Steve Baker both sucked...

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:01 pm EST

Here is some disclosure for me...i have no idea about what I am talking about. Furthermore, I have no affiliations within the Rangers organization.... Hehe

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:58 pm EST

IIRC, the AV's need a LHS D'man and at least 1 top 6 forward

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:47 pm EST

I dont know about their prospects, but nobody on the Avs roster interests me if we are dealing Hayes (or more)..I'll leave the prospects up to you guys

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:27 pm EST

I wonder who the Rangers are looking at so closely on the Aves. Could it be Nakita Zadorov? Maybe JT Compher? Could the deal involve one of those 2 plus the Aves' first pick?

rf4l


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:26 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/18/friedman-on-trade-interest-in-hayes-zuccarello

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:12 pm EST

GILMOUR with a goal and an assist so far today, Wolfpack down 3-2.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 3:29 pm EST

New rumors that CHIARELLI will get fired today.... "Edmonton Oilers Hold Team Meeting Instead of Practice After Flurry of Moves".... https://www.12up.com/posts/6276965-edmonton-oilers-hold-team-meeting-instead-of-practice-after-flurry-of-moves/partners/43677

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 3:12 pm EST

Kevin Maxwell, the NYR director of pro scouting is scouting the AVS game today.... ALSO per Rangers Report ‏ @ranger_fanly .... New York Rangers C Mika Zibanejad named NHL’s 2nd Star of the Week #Rangers

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:42 pm EST

Now, that's a fact Jack! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzub_ghAbM

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:23 pm EST

Bob: hit him with a Penalty

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:23 pm EST

Then the facts are this: I broke a wall rule!

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:17 pm EST

It is against the rules of the site to mention Eklund and fact in the same sentence.

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:14 pm EST

Here's a fact: Eklund is saying MZA is being scouted by the Flames and the Stars; therefore, you can probably knock those 2 teams off as possible landing points for MZA.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:14 pm EST

Bob I wonder if kid k knows that fact ?

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:06 pm EST

You mean like “it’s a known fact that Kreider is available?” Facts like that?

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:00 pm EST

Andrei: OK, let's say that you're correct, then it motivates me more to target NYLANDER (a top 3 overall pick with two 61 point seasons is Less risk than a new #3 overall draft pick)

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:55 pm EST

It's my opinion that most of what's said on here is opinion. Hell, even most of the rumours that are quoted from sources like twitter are other people's rumours.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:52 pm EST

trade: Absolutely not. I'm thinking they were thinking 3 years of which this is year 2.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:45 pm EST

STEVIE - Yep, some people take their own opinions and the need to be right way too seriously..there's alot of gray area on this team and it's direction right now

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:32 pm EST

I sometimes get confused here on statements made with known facts versus opinions and rumors along with hearsay.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:18 pm EST

RF4L....do u really think the Rangers will punt for 5-7 years? Not gonna happen.....THis is the same brass that drafted Lias Andersson because they got cute thinking he would step in because he was "playing with men".

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:17 pm EST

mf, not sure how else anyone needs to be clear. There is a ZERO chance that Avs will trade Ottawa 1st pick. Zero. NONE. Zilch. Net. No. Nein. Non..

andrei


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:58 pm EST

E, no one said they will ice the AHL team. I'm convinced that Rangers will be all in Panerin. $12/12.5 per. It's a known fact that Krider is available for a right price this season. My guess it will not be for just prospects/pics, if he is traded this year. Next year, sure. If Krider is here next year, at the trade deadline, he will be traded for a picks/prospects. Don't rule out Rangers signing Zuc at the off season either. Personally, i don't want him, but if it will be a short term deal, maybe. Just don't see Rangers offering a 5 year deal for Zuc, but some other team might. Very intriguing what is happening in Toronto. Very interesting. They have being looking for a big scoring forward, that is tough. Problem is, Krider is not a Babcock's player. Not too sure he is Quinn's player either. Obvious BU connection, but Krider is way too inconstant for Quinn's liking. Question is, if Leafs are desperate. If they are, deal around Nylander for Krider is a good possibility.

andrei


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:57 pm EST

The Islanders MAIN problem was always 1. Goaltending; 2. Goaltending; 3. Goaltending; and 4. Goaltending. You could argue a 5th point, which is goaltending. It's why I never get teams that poo-poo good goaltending for clowns like HALAK or ELLIOT or ALLEN. Just shooting yourself in the foot...that said, I'm not and never have been convinced LEHNER is a top-caliber goaltender. He had the potential to be one and is certainly looking good this season...but is he the guy you want to hitch your cart to? I'm not so sure...the Isles don't have a bad team, but they are seriously playing on Lehner's back...so I wouldn't be so quick to be stroking off Lou Lame and Trotsky. Good young team, but they don't have nearly the depth of others...will be quickly exposed in the playoffs.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:29 pm EST

You bet, there ain't a Wallster here that didn't enjoy the Ranger / Boston game, 3-2 Hockey

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:27 pm EST

mf - strong coaching and getting the players buying into team defense, chemistry and discipline can go a long way..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:26 pm EST

RDW: Saw an article headline state that Lemon Lou may be a Buyer come this Trade Deadline.

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:25 pm EST

STEVIE - Agree on GORDO..has made some mis-steps and some moves that long real promising..The book is even close to being written......On SPOONER, nobody wants him..Rangers had to take him from BOS who didnt want him..no single Ranger fan wanted him...and now Edmonton doesnt want him..Yet, he keeps raking in the dough!!

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:24 pm EST

Not so funny that if the Rangers pick 8-12 or higher this year that they may target a Defenceman when this Draft is supposed to be the year of the Forward. Last year was the year of the Defenseman, and we took a forward... Hope OTB Gordie got it right

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:23 pm EST

MF: I bet the Islanders will be a wild card team at best.

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:21 pm EST

Anyone notice that the Islanders sit atop the Eastern Division and have the 5th best record in the League? And BTW, they have the lowest GAA in the entire league, any coincidence? Hospo your move. ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:18 pm EST

Like I said, if we can land NYLANDER we don't need to part with a guy like KREIDER when targeting Ottawa's 1st round pick... We'd be dealing from strength...

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:14 pm EST

The jury is still out. If the nyr become a yearly Stanley Cup contender, next year or at most the year after, than fishpie will have done his job .

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:12 pm EST

LOL! Ryan SPOONER on waivers.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:11 pm EST

I'm guesing Spooner goes unclaimed.... per Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ... Rattie and Spooner (EDM) on waivers

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:09 pm EST

Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline Follow Follow @Aportzline More Big news. #CBJ have hired Martin St. Louis as special teams consultant.

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:07 pm EST

I think Kreider is the future Rangers captain and I don’ think he is going anywhere.

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:55 am EST

RF4L - I do see where you are coming from and, of course, it should be considered..But to me it all comes down to the timetable of competing for the Cup..and, while I don't know, I hope it is more on the scale of 2-4 years than 5-7..KREIDER would be an essential part of that and, while you have to worry about and maybe trade him because of his pending UFA, you can also keep him and wrap him up long term for 5-6 years

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:50 am EST

stevielegs - That's my hope. I frankly think if the Rangers really did want to tear everything apart, they would have done it last year at the deadline and/or at the draft...the moves they're making are much more surgical...and frankly, I think a lot smarter...if you think about it, it's counter-intuitive to trade away parts of your lineup that are A. working; B. still young; and C. under contract. Rangers have a good core with KREIDER, Z, HAYES, SKJEI, and VESEY. I like keeping NAMESTNIKOV, STROME and even ZUCC as part of that group...See what happens when the kids get their legs under them...assess...and move forward.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:43 am EST

Hey, look man I get it that Kreider is loved on here because of the skillset package and that fact that finally he appears to be putting it altogether. But he's gonna be an UFA in 18 months. There's no guarantee he'll be with the organization after that and it's possible he'll be looking for HUGE money that the organization may not want to cough up. I am NOT demanding that he get moved; I'm saying given the circumstances it behooves Gorton to consider it. And by consider it I mean engage in some trade talks and see what can be fetched. What if, for example, Sakic is willing to give up Ottawa's first in a deal that involved Kreider and say Hayes? Would that still be a no, keep him and hope to resign him in 18 months to whatever contract value and length he demands?

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:28 am EST

RF4L - the "wisdom of trading KREIDER" is a total contradiction in terms. I could see if the return was something ridiculous...but shit man...what is he going to bring you that's gonna be such a game changer? Do you really think the Rangers, by trading Kreider, are going to get that heralded first-line top three-picked center that we supposedly need so badly? Hell no. Even if you packaged HAYES and KREIDER, I'm no so sure you'd get that player...again: What you have is likely more valuable than what you get...I've brought this up in terms of the Rangers...remember all those picks and prospects they traded away from 2011-2017? What have they done? Answer: Not much. When your moving established players for picks and prospects, you're generally ending up with pennies on the dollar. So what exactly is the point moving the guy for futures 18 months before his contract is up? You're moving parts for the sake of moving parts...essentially DOING what the Rangers did for so goddamn long...you're not building when you're constantly tearing down.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:21 am EST

Hospo: OK, so maybe I was being dramatic when I said 'doom the organization' but you just once again said you trade Kreider if you "dont give a shit about winning anything until 5-7 years then, by all means deal him for some more prospect and draft pick prayers."

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:15 am EST

E - Probably, and further, I Cant say I'm convinced they will deal HAYES unless they determine his demands will be too high...But..you still got to get rid of the non-DQ type players and iconsistent in effort/production youngsters and bring in players (not picks/prospects) that should fit better

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:08 am EST

HOSPO: after getting Hayes and MZA off the books and maybe McQuad or something I think the days of the sell, sell, sell New York Rangers will come to a close. They aren’t gonna ice an AHL or NCAA team. Getting rid of guys like Kreider and Zib for prospects and picks is not helpful to the cause unless players of equal value and ability are coming back. Zero sum gains I don’t think are in the cards. Or at least I hope.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:07 am EST

RF4L - Where the hell did I say that? I didn't..I said the decision on trading (or the wisdom in it) of Kreider should be based on the the org's timetable ..If you want to be competing for the cup within the next 3-5 years it would be better to keep him and resign him....despite his inconsistincies at times, there are few players like him around the NHL..OTOH, if you dont give a shit about winning anything until 5-7 years then, by all means deal him for some more prospect and draft pick prayers..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:59 am EST

stevie: Yeah, the Leafs are floundering and the heat (from the fans and media anyways) has now shifted to Mike Babcock. Kyle Dubious needs to do something for sure that isn't adding a bottom pairing depth d-man or a 4th liner but Babcock from where I sit, is being out-coached quite frequently now. It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out. They sure miss Matt Martin IMO and that's on Babcock who this time last year, inexplicably stopped dressing him.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:56 am EST

Hospo: You honestly think the trading of Kreider will doom this organization for the next 5 years? You think he's that good? And remember, there's a good chance he won't be here after next year because he'll leverage his UFA to earn a huge contract elsewhere. I will repeat my thoughts on this subject: If the Rangers were a player or 2 away from being a legitimate cup contender now or next year, you most definitely keep Kreider. Otherwise because of his age and pending UFA, as they did with McD last year, you seriously need to consider moving him.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:54 am EST

And BTW, I've also posted on here numerous times defending Gorton. So far, I've liked most of his moves and agree with the direction he's taking the organization in.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:45 am EST

I completely agree with tdchi on the job Gorton has done in restocking the prospect pipeline for the Rangers. He's made some astute undrafted and unsigned NCAA signings, overseen some good drafts, and amassed some solid prospects through trades. Gorton is going to wind up adding to that pool at the deadline and at the draft this year. Here's my best guess at trades and returns for this deadline: 1. Hayes, Namestnikov and a third to Colorado for Martin Kaut, Shane Bowers, and Colorado's first. 2. Zuccarello & DeAngelo to Edmonton for Ethan Bear, Tyler Benson and a third rounder. 3. McQuaid to Toronto for a third rounder.

evets1980


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:43 am EST

RF4L - is it wisdom? that is in the eyes of the beholder..alot depends on what Gordo is trying to do and the timetable..which, I for one, dont know...But if they want to punt the next 5 years, then yeah, deal Kreider...hell..deal everybody over 23

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:39 am EST

limbo - Oh he may be wooly...Them old goalies they do get wooly...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EroyjPcw3sg

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:35 am EST

TD: I've posted on here several times about the wisdom of trading Kreider now given his age and contract status and where the organization is currently.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 9:51 am EST

Oh he may be weary...Them old goalies they do get wearied...Wearing that same old shaggy jersey, yeah, yeah...But when he gets weary...Try a little tenderness, yeah, yeah...

limbo


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:20 am EST

Guess even hanky is weary....”“Maybe we can do that on the beach somewhere, then come back recharged. We can’t look at the big picture. Can we get in? Are we still in the race? We just have to take it week-by-week here and continue to improve as a group.” And when asked if he wished the team could keep playing with the way it has been going, Lundqvist gave a hearty laugh and shake of the head. “I’ve been waiting for this week,” he said.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:18 am EST

“But it has been trying in the fact that there have been large stretches of good that got some a bit starry-eyed for the postseason, and large stretches of bad that got some thinking about intentionally losing to better their chance at projected top draft pick Jack Hughes. The emotional ups and down have taken their toll, both on the veterans who haven’t been through something quite like this before and on the swath of young players who are just trying to figure their way around this league. Of course, first-year head coach David Quinn has also seemed to take every win and loss personally, which won’t be good for his health or his hairline. ”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:17 am EST

Tdchi hopefully fishpie will take his coach’s opinions of players in his decisions. The mighty Quinney on several occasions has said they are not rebuilding, they are building and trying to make the playoffs. I think he would like to keep haze , and many others who’s names get thrown into the deadline possibilities. It makes sense for the gm to try and have a couple of first round picks, without destroying the team this season and next. In the next 30 something days , it will become more apparent what his mindset is. I’m hoping he’s looking to stock Hartford and below, while trying to maintain and improve the nyr for this year and next. And Not make them develop a culture of losing.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:58 am EST

Rf4l your home team lost to Arizona....”This was Toronto’s fourth defeat in their last five games, putting them at 3-6-0 since Jan. 1. ”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:37 am EST

tradestar28 - He's still waiting for the lithium to kick in and help dial down his auditory hallucinations.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:34 am EST

R4FL - "which of course is what this organization does..." Which is what exactly? Hold onto speed-demon physical wingers who a proven 20-plus goal scorers, when said player has finally elevated his play in the manner many thought they could? And the jape about one in 80 years...I mean, you do realize there was a time when this team was throwing away good young players hand-over-fist just to get a crack at the playoffs. Now it's a good idea for us to throw them away again for a crack at...well...some prospects? See, this is exactly what I never get about Ranger fans...In my estimation, Gorton is acting very methodical...they made a call really after the loss to the Senators in the playoffs, and decided it was time to start building for the future...And how he's done it has been pretty masterful...first: made sure there's a strategy for life-after-Hank that is not solely dependent on SHESTYORKIN...Now we have GEORGIEV, HUSKA, WALL, and now LINDBOM...next, he built up the D: Signed PIONK, grabbed DeANGELO, HAJEK and LINDGREN, RYKOV, and then drafted MILLER, LUNDKVIST and KEANE in the wings...and to think guys like Sean DAY, Nico GROSS, and Jakob RAGNARSSON are now considered B-level prospects...And then we've seen him build the living hell out of the middle...I mean, ANDERSSON, CHYTIL, and HOWDEN...can't remember when we last had three rock-solid center prospects in the system/on the team...and let's not forget about the B-prospects in the middle: NIEVES, FOGARTY and another guy who frequently gets overlooked: Gabriel FONTAINE...now throw KRAVTSOV...So in two years, this guy has fully restocked the cupboard...and that's BEFORE this draft, where the Rangers will likely be again well represented in the first three rounds...even taking the conservative view that they won't throw up the 'for sale' sign...We know they're going to end up with at least a pair of additional picks in the first three rounds...maybe four or five, depending on the deals they do...to think that they could end up with someone like LAVOIE or TURCOTTE...AND...someone like Cole CAUFIELD, Cam YORK or NOLAN FOOTE...I mean, what the fuck more could you ask for of your GM, other than him to literally dress the goddamn junior Rangers for the rest of the season to be worst-overall in the NHL and take Hughes? Sure, this whole team is a work in progress...but I think you and a lot of others here often overlook how methodically Gorton is operating. I certainly haven't agreed with everything he's done, especially in the heat of the moment...but whenever I start to look at his moves...man, they make a whole shitload of sense. Outside of some lesser moves like trading for and playing Adam CRACKNELL and of course, this obsession with the clodiest of clods, iClod...I can't say there's much that Gorton has done that I'd undo.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:20 am EST

TRADE - I dont think they will trade either one..and I would hate to see Kreider traded...But I'm also not sutre what this will be yet..a full blown rebuild? Do they trade all penidng UFAs plus whever else they can get rid of? or is it a modified rebuild as you call it? where they trade selected UFAs and players that dont fit DQ's system..not sure yet...but.I think DQ's input will be very important and who he might waant to keep going forwaard--including whether or not they sould try and extend Hayes..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:04 am EST

evets1980 - I think once hindsight is in full view that Ranger fans would be very happy with any one of those players...I'll throw Raphael LAVOIE into that mix too...Bottom line is, this year's draft is as deep or deeper than last year's. You are almost guaranteed a phenomenal prospect if you draft in the top 10...hell, even the top 15. While it certainly would be nice to get our mitts on HUGHES or KAKKO, I think if we finish between 7th and 11th, that we stand a VERY good chance of getting one of those players...and on a bit of a tangential note...some here will poo-poo what Gorton has done thus far...but truth be known, ANDERSSON and KRAVTSOV are to stellar prospects...and to think we also have MILLER, LUNDKVIST and CHYTIL on top of that...And whoever we get in this year's draft at 7th-11th. What he has done to this farm system in two short years is nothing short of phenomenal.

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:43 pm EST

Meanwhile....I am still waiting for Greg Polis' prediction of Kovalchoke and EK coming to the NYR's.......Maybe he was talking 2019-2020! (rimshot)

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:41 pm EST

As far as McQuaid......I am gonna "guess" that Jimmy Boy Dolz likes this type of player....He knows the Rangers fans like having him......so they will "try" to keep him around with a new contract.....Just a stab in the dark

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:39 pm EST

Hospo....this entire message forum is just opinions and predictions......Conjectures if you will..........So Zbad & Kreider are two pieces of the Rangers puzzle that will stay a while. They are both relatively young and have low mileage on the tires. They are both professionals and I would guess that DQ likes them around. They didn't bring in DQ to just watch a tire fire of shit go on the ice. Yes, its a rebuild....but think of this as a modified one.....

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:17 pm EST

LEAFS NATION has to be in full-out panic mode...3-7 over the past 10...under .500 for the month of January. They are a team that has LOTS of pieces I would love to pick through...Jeremy BRACCO is one...smaller player. Dynamic forward. Stands little chance in joining the Leafs, just because of how offensively gifted the organization is...or at least until they trade NYLANDER...and on that regard...I know he's had a slow start and all, but he's still one hell of a player...his lackluster play thus far is less indicative of the player and more of the absolute foolishness that was involved in his decision to sit out for the top of the season...can't bench yourself for 20-plus games and think you'll be in any condition to compete...moving along thought...Carl GRUDNSTROM...another guy who would be a great add who I think they could shake loose from the Leafs...and Dymtro TIMASHOV, who I heard was available last season...I also wonder if they've soured to Timothy LILJEGREN...he'd be another I bet could come in a deal with the Leafs...but the bigger question then comes: What do the Rangers have that the Leafs would want? And I'm not sure they have anything...I know RF4L doesn't think they'd want SHATTENKIRK, and I would tend to agree...but I wonder if they would change that tune if the Rangers ate a couple million off Shatty's contract...if I were to pinpoint a guy they need, it's a genuine top-pairing defenseman...someone who is both strong on D and can move the puck...and the only guys who fit that bill are SKJEI and maybe PIONK.

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:02 pm EST

Hospo - WHOOAAAH. Slow down, man. So you're saying if the Rangers HAVE one good line...and they have the makings of a second good line...that perhaps maybe instead of trading everyone for picks and prospects...that...maybe...just maybe...they should build on those two good lines?!? By jove, you could be onto something!

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:45 pm EST

Ooh...5 to 1 now. LOLOL...

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:44 pm EST

Kreider probably will remain a Ranger. For the next 18 months. Which of course, is what this organization does over and over and over again. BTW, 1 cup in 80 years is NOT a coincidence.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:41 pm EST

Canes embarrassing the Oilers 4 to 1 early in the 2nd period...

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:40 pm EST

trade - oh, OK..glad you cleared that up with the facts.......

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:39 pm EST

trade: You been chatting with NOb for Life?

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:34 pm EST

Kreider aint going anywhere.......neither is Zbad

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:04 pm EST

I'm with RHET..it's mid January and wallbangers already talking about the draft and next year's camp! I guess that's what happens when your team is out of the PO race..or are they??? ..RHET _ I can see McQuaid helping the BRUINS..but they als need some grit and strength up front...maybe deal for McQ and Krieder and help the Rangers to a lottery pick!

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:04 pm EST

Mf. No

RF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:53 pm EST

Like their 1st round pick kind of interested?

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:40 pm EST

There are lots of rumors that the BRUINS are indeed interested in bringing back MCQUAID ....EVETS.... I can't even wrap my brain around the draft yet. Too early.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:08 pm EST

Looking ahead to the draft, I'm looking at five players who MIGHT be available where the Rangers pick in the 8-12 range... 1. Bowen Byram, D - Plays with passion and intensity. Byram has No. 1 potential and will be an instant fan favorite. 2. Alex Newhook, C -The BCHL’s leading scorer as a 17-year-old, Newhook is a scoring machine who can marinate for a few years at Boston College until it’s time to groom him as a top-six candidate. 3. Philip Broberg, D - smart, skilled, physical defender with great skating ability. He really opened everyone’s eyes during the Hlinka/Gretzky Tournament when he was by far the most noticeable and complete defenseman. 4. Alex Turcotte, C - a 200 foot centre with decent size and elite feet and hands. His wide skating base and strong edging work allows him rapid change in direction. Unfazed by venturing into the dirty battle areas. He can finish and his puck-handling, high hockey instincts, and soft hands rate up near the top of the class. 5. Ryan Suzuki, C - A dynamic offensive weapon with eyes in the back of his head and a top performer for both Barrie and Team Canada, Suzuki is the OHL’s top prospect for the 2019 NHL Draft. Blessed with blinding speed and acute hockey sense, the younger brother of 2017 first rounder Nick Suzuki is a bit more flashier and excitable with the puck, especially in open ice.

evets1980


Sun Jan 20 2019 8:00 pm EST

STEP -As was shown last night, I think the BRUINS need a grittier presence (all they had was Wagner) than HAYES and have been know to be intertested in Wayne Simmonds..https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/bruins-willing-to-make-major-sacrifice-to-land-flyers-simmonds?fbclid=IwAR0y9ku_VT43LcKzQP1ZevEsPvWZ4NfTR4l54i3WKzWjvdDBwpPHaJuzQWQ...There are going to be alot of sellers so it's no slam dunk that the Rangers will get anything near what dreamng fans want..We'll see..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:44 pm EST

Scneidw - I don’t think Hayes will be solo- expect him to be happy packaged with others

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:42 pm EST

Rhet: Those stats are impressive especially when you take into account the kid is a rookie, and hasn't been playing D for all that long. Not that it means he will be an all star NHL D man right off the bat it ever, however it sure makes it look like the Rangers made the right choice moving up to grab him...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:31 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller plays with the University of Wisconsin against Notre Dame tonight. Miller, who leads Wisconsin with 18 points in 19 games this season, also leads all NCAA freshmen defensemen in assists per game (0.68) and points per game (0.95) in 2018-19.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 6:04 pm EST

MF... I would've taken him 3-4 years ago when we were a different team. Now, by the time we're good enough again, he'll probably be retiring(or playing in the AHL). Let's see what we get back from some of these trades. That type of player wont be the main piece in a deal, but he could be part of said deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 6:02 pm EST

I believe Hayes goes to Boston. As they are in a go for it year more so than the Avs. They will be willing to pay more than Sakic for that fact. Bring home the local boy. Interesting options in Boston too.

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:59 pm EST

Rhet: just read a bit about him and am wondering, "what's up" with the guy? After closer evaluation perhaps a courtesy invitation to preseason if he's in shape and focused on hockey... The guy is a tank at 6'2" 235+ lbs......... Anyway, one shortfall of my long-post proposal is a real grit powerhouse on the 3rd or 4th line, hence the Chris Stewart suggestion...

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:48 pm EST

MF... In regard to CHRIS STEWART: The entire NHL already said "no thank you" to him and then he was supposed to go to the KHL. He then disappeared and later claimed "serious family problems"(so he could get out of the contract) and "retired" so he wouldn't have to report to the KHL. He then went to the EIHL in the UK (I guess the "serious family problems" got better?)... There are plenty of quality guys that didn't get drafted that I would rather get a look at than a 32 year old Chris Stewart, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:01 pm EST

E: t/y

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:01 pm EST

E: yeah, seems like a done deal... Karlsson will resign with SJ.

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:58 pm EST

EK is likely gonna re-sign. He just bought a home out here and the team and he have expressed that they want to get something done. Anything is possible but he is more than likely off the market.

E


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:57 pm EST

HOSPO: agree with you Hayes assessment.... I was being too harsh. Hayes and Fast to COL in return for Kraut and COL#1???

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:54 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Agree that HAYES wont fetch as much as some would like if traded, but only half agree why...Far from a 3rd Center...A strong #2 center since January of last year and the arguably the best all around forward on the team..And if you call him a 3rd C, then the Rangers are a team of 3rd and 4th liners and nothing else...Hmm..maybe that's true....Anyway, the main thing is that he's a pending UFA's and one that is coming off an undisclosed injury..and not another game until almost February..gonna be hard to get alot of worth back unless the Rangers play a risky Russina roulette waiting game..OTOH, while MCD was coming off a shoulder injury last year he did indeed have another year left on a favorable contract

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:38 pm EST

I'd also like to see the NYR's invite CHRIS STEWART to camp.... The man is a professional, he's a Veteran presence at 31/32 year's of age, I believe that he will excel and conform with DQ's in your face approach to the game. He brings grit, physicality, and he's a good skater....

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:23 pm EST

Yesterday William NYLANDER’s name recirculated as “possibly available,” this kid turns 23 in May and already has two 61 point seasons under his belt. All here know that Toronto has a heck of a challenge in front of them as both Mitch MARNER and Austin MATTHEWS must be signed, and then Toronto must fill in a few spots on their line-up…. Yesterday it was reported that OTTAWA tenders a very attractive & competitive offer of “”$8 Mill for 8 years”” to Matt DUCHENE which basically say’s, “kid, sh_t or get off the pot because we’re serious.” DUCHENE may get some more dollars per year on the free market, but will he get an 8 year term? We’ve discussed the upcoming UFA list here and I thought to myself, “when is OTTAWA’s offer to Mark STONE going to be made public? And sure enough Rhet pointed out that the OTT / Stone camps are already in discussion an offer of $8 million + per year (I’m guessing for an 8 year term). Next thing that crossed my mind was this owner is serious and opening up the wallet, could or would Erik KARLSSON be next? HOFFMAN and his wife/fiancee’/girlfriend are out of the picture, does EK & his wife want to return to Ottawa? There are some articles that San Jose & EK are or have been in conversation about re-upping with The Sharks, so who knows. OTTAWA does have some young Defensemen with promise such Thomas CHABOT who at 21 y/o is putting up some impressive #’s on a team with one of the worst records in the league, SO, maybe they pass on trying to lure KARLSSON back unless he want s to come back home AND at a discount…… Now let’s say that both DUCHENE and STONE re-sign with OTTAWA, that takes two of the most attractive players off the UFA list, which up’s the value of the remaining UFA’s on the list and those of the players that teams are willing to trade by the deadline………. So what are the NY Ranger’s to do, and in what chronological order? This brings me back to NYLANDER, remember NYLANDER? That’s what this post is about :->) (kind of like a verse of Alice’s Restaurant) “”IF we can pry NYLANDER from Toronto, we don’t have to prostitute ourselves to Colorado Joe Sakic in an attempt to get Ottawa’s 1st round pick.”” It was previously written and rumored that Toronto wants a Defenceman and a Forward as a starting point for NYLANDER…. TORONTO needs a Right Handed Shooting Defenseman and we have SHATTENKIRK to offer as well as PIONK or DEANGELO and I would not hesitate to offer either of those two kids to land NYLANDER, but I’m suggesting SHATTENKIRK and we may need to eat some salary to help Toronto…. For the Forward position, as far as I’m concerned they can choose anyone they want not named Kreider, Z’bad, Chytil, and I’d prefer not parting with Howden, Andersson, Fast, or Strome but to get a deal done for a legitimate Top 3 proven talent such as NYLANDER, you pull the trigger…. Once NYLANDER is on board and “IF” Hayes was Not Part of a Toronto deal, we really must reconsider resigning HAYES because we need a 2nd line center… ZUCC will get traded in this sequence or scenario, and Brendan Smith must be gone before next season starts as he is too expensive, not good enough, and blocking a key spot one of our many young LHS D’men are competing for. SO, after we hypothetically land NYLADER, we make some secondary trades of ZUCC (unless he goes to TORONTO which is a good probability and a team where he has the opportunity to go deep in the playoffs, a team with JT & Marleau to look up to, and great kids to set an example for) we dump SMITH, we resign MCQUAID (2 years 3 mill per?) SHATTENKIRK is gone, “”we set our sights on PANARIN AND WE LAND him off the UFA Market!!!”” …….. NOW the question is; “does this conform with a re-build?” “Does this look like something that can compete for the Stanley Cup? ………. TOP 6 FORWARDS: PANARIN / NYLANDER / KREIDER / ZIBANEJAD / HAYES / “UNKNOWN” ….. BOTTOM 6 FORWARDS: FAST? / CHYTIL / HOWDEN / STROME / VESEY? / NAMESTNIKOV? / KRAVTSOV / ANDERSSON (I have question marks by the names of FAST / VESEY / & NAMESTNIKOV because we may need to include them in a trade with Toronto…… ON DEFENSE: LHS: STAAL / SKJEI / “1 OF OUR KIDS …. RHS: MCQUIAD / PIONK / DEANGELO ………we’d still have our picks for this coming ENTRY DRAFT to continue stocking the farm……… SO WALLSTERS, Please RIP THIS APART and point out it’s flaws and shortcomings ……..

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:12 pm EST

COL- I speculate that NYRs will target Martin Kaut from COL just based on his Czech experience w Chytil...bet NYR scouts have seen alot of Kaut... has size and skill

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:07 pm EST

RDW- Makar hard to predict his ceiling.... equivalent to Justin Schultz a fair comparison? College players are so tough to project/... ... I think COL will trade him if a 2C....

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:01 pm EST

PUCK- Don't think Hayes brings back nearly what McDonough return was for so many reasons.... I am dubious if Hayes will even fetch a #1 pick unless its in the high 20s...He is a 3rd line center... not an all star first line defensman with another year on his contract at a low market rate...

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 3:34 pm EST

Makar would be a great addition, just don't see Sakic giving him up though.

RDW


Sun Jan 20 2019 3:03 pm EST

Hilarious article and take on the Chytil collision. Talk about ridiculous. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/bruins/tuukka-rask-concussion-another-example-teams-taking-liberties-bruins

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:48 pm EST

This lines up with other reports that the NYR are interested in some variation of Martin Kaut, Tyson Jost, Conor Timmins, and Cale Makar from Colorado. Plus a pick. We shall see.... Per AJ Haefele @AJHaefele.... Just FWIW, the Rangers guys at the Avalanche game earlier today are also here at the Eagles game. They were also here last night. To further stoke the trade fires.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:21 pm EST

NEWFIE - I agree..the path GORDO is taking is not yet clear to me..so how can one propose a deal, or who to trade, other then just to satify their own wants and not reality?..Hopefully, we find out over the next 40 days..until then. nothing seems a "done deal" to me..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:13 pm EST

NEWFIE... So, William Nylander is off to a slow start because he missed half the season and that means he's not worth his paycheck? His first two seasons as a pro, he had back-to-back 61 point seasons something which Matt Duchene never did himself.... JMO, but I would still take the guy on this team in a heartbeat ....ALSO.... What is a true rebuild anyway? Where is it written that you have to purge your team of every person over the age of 23 in order for it to be considered a true rebuild? Is this some weird variation of Logan's Run or something? Why wouldn't you want guys around for your younger players to learn from? Wouldn't it only help with their development? How would you ever get any UFA's to come to this team if you have nothing but prospects on it?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:30 pm EST

mf....now, if you could manage to do that in a very young Marlon Brando's voice ,I'd piss myself.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:25 pm EST

Newf on the Rock! "To re-build or Not to re-build, that is the question!"

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:06 pm EST

Hospo…..before we start moving out players, the question that has to be answered by the fans and management alike is...do we want a true re-build (thought that was the idea?)or do we want a band-aid solution and just try and make the play-offs as long as Hank is alive (lol). If it's a TRUE re-build,then all these guys, Zucc, Hayes,Shatty, maybe even Zbad have got to go. There is no right answer but is it a re-build or not ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:00 pm EST

MC.....I guess that's the whole problem in this league now, Nylander is NOT worth 7 M.....he may be getting it from the leafs but he is clearly not worth it . big lesson for other GMs .

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:54 pm EST

https://www.instagram.com/p/BszRbxwFa5l/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1htfj8zt8xpg3

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:53 pm EST

I think it’s Safe to say that Hayes is a goner. I envision a deal similar to MCD , with player/players going with him for players, picks, prospects. I can see Colorado dealing their number 1, not Sens pick. I hope Gorton doesn’t wait until the 11th hour, maybe deals him during the break.glad they sat him until after the break, as an injury negates his asset value. Gonna be interesting for sure.

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:52 pm EST

If Nylander is worth 7 mil, I think Dushesne would want 9. I think he's a goner from Ottawa.

MC


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:56 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Vitali Kravtsov tallied a goal while representing the Kharlamov Division at the 2019 KHL All-Star Game today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:41 am EST

I'll leave the trade proposal and fantasies to others becasuse they rarely come true and instead kinda come out of the blue--to fans at least...That being said..two things..I watched the Oiler-flame game last nigth and it was the first time i ever saw something good out of the PULUJARVI kid...used his size well at times...........other thing....seeing how well the Rangers played last night with basically a one line threat plus CHYTL...you wonder how good they could be with a 2nd line that includes HAYES (or another center for the tradfe Hayes crowd) and one more wing...so, if you (collective you) think tht ZBAD is the #1C he looks like every now and then..maybe you try to sign HAYES if he'll take a reasinable contract..and build the rest..just a thought....or..you just trade HAYES for a little return..or trade both and really tank for the immediate future

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:59 am EST

Hope you're correct Vic - if so, however, quite dumb given the excess of defensemen the Rangers have.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:41 am EST

RF4L: PIONK has been playing hurt for a while. My guess is that was a big part of the drop off in his game. He should have been taken out of the lineup to heal up much sooner....

Vic


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:20 am EST

SHATTENKIRK: Sure would like to see his 10 team no trade list... My guess, similar to Nash.. all the Canadian teams... then maybe STL, WAS, PHX, and ?

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:19 am EST

DQ had better not put Pionk back with Staal after this break. DeA has been quite impressive alongside Staal and has earned the right to remain there IMO. Pionk was actually playing poorly when he got hurt and the Rangers have not missed him at all. Perhaps on the contrary.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:18 am EST

NYR-COL: No surprises but a very well written article... I have to say, I think Sakic would prefer to make a trade sooner than the deadline to give AVS more time to integrate Hayes and possibly other former NYRs into their lineup plus avoid getting into a bidding war by setting the market price... interesting dilemna for Gorton.. I figure if NYRs are seriously going to trade any player over 27YO then Gorton better start dealing now... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/1/20/18190146/an-avalanche-to-start-the-fire-sale

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:37 am EST

mf: The Leafs will have zero interest in Shattenkirk.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:30 am EST

It was important to have a couple of tough guys in the lineup last night like McQuaid and McLeod after the Chytil goal. Even though it wasn’t his fault and he was just driving to the net when he was hit by McAvoy,the fact remains that he gave the goalie a concussion. Anyone who has ever played the game at a decent level can tell you that Chytil would have been a target after such a play if there was no one they feared/respected on the other bench. As for Chytil, I guarantee the coaches have stressed him going hard to the net, we saw it in consecutive games now, Chytil going wide, swooping in hard to the goal, where earlier in the season he’d have shot from the angle, perimeter.

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 8:49 am EST

I would be surprised if DUCHENE resigned in Ottawa for that amount. He can get more from another team in a bigger market. I don't know him, obviously, but he strikes me as the kind of guy that wants to be a big fish in a big pond. NY, Chicago, LA, Montreal, Detroit and Boston would be the kind of cities at the top of his list if that were the case. I guess we will see....

Vic


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:43 am EST

Doesn’t Hartford have a roster limit too? They can’t just send 5 guys down without making roster moves there . Howden and Cheetos probably need to rest. I think both are banged up . If they can resign mcquaid for the 2.75 he’s making this year , it would be a good move . Unlike smith who has to go. But with so many d men , mcquaid will probably be gone at the deadline and the nyr get softer . Any other mindset, he would get resigned.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:49 am EST

g/n

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:49 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/dont-be-shocked-if-lamoriello-strikes-at-trade-deadline/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:44 am EST

Rhet: I think that there will be some dialogue between the Duchene camp and the Stone camp. "IF" there's a nod there, it will probably increase the odds that they both resign...... I was thinking a step further, if/after those two are inked to new deals, would Erik KARLSSON be interest in returning now that HOFFMAN & companion is out of town? San Jose has started talk with EK & he and the Mrs. just might like the sunshine.....

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:33 am EST

MF... The offer to STONE was rumored the other day. I think DUCHENE takes it unless he really doesn't want to still be in OTTAWA.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:19 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/streaking-into-break-rangers-get-quinn-a-win-in-boston-return/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:15 am EST

OTTAWA certainly making a statement to DUCHENE with that offer, AND if you read down that article, they're going to do the same to / for STONE.... With those two off the market our Trade Chips go up in value... NOW "BIG IF" we can effectuate a trade with Toronto around SHATTENKIRK + a Forward for NYLANDER, boy does that change our landscape...... IF we can then land PANARIN in the offseason after the acquisition of NYLANDER, it may very well make sense to try and resign HAYES......... very interesting

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:41 am EST

Or... maybe they just keep him here and hope he works his way out of it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:34 am EST

Hospo.... No disagreement there. Maybe they send down after the NHL season resumes and they bring up another player so that way he's not playing too many extra games in the regular season. Just a guess.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:24 am EST

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/senators-make-matt-duchene-long-term-contract-offer/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:21 am EST

RHET - Maybe..I understand it with CHTYL...the kid is playing with confidence and getting better...HOWDEN is the complete opposite rigth now...hopefully the rest will do him good..but I'm just not sure he's up to the NHL level right now

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:16 am EST

NYR brass must think it's better for HOWDEN to rest his mind/body during the break. I know CHYTIL sure can use it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:06 am EST

Surprised HOWDEN wasn't sent down with Nieves and Lindgren..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:05 am EST

RHET - Dartmouth not Ivy League? And, hey, they gave the NHL Lee STempniak (Jessibust's linemate)! As for Barron, he has been hot of late and have read alot of good things about him,,,Found it intersting that Cornell just ended a series with ASU ..Arizona State University..what?? Since when?

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:00 am EST

Per Nick Kypreos: The Ottawa Senators have tabled a 8-year, $64 million contract with an AAV of $8 million to forward Matt Duchene.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:57 pm EST

Hospo.... Completely different story, Jessiman went to Dartmouth :) ...BARRON has really picked it up this season like a man possessed. He had 18 points all of last season in 33 games. Not bad for a 6th round pick. Worst case scenario, he makes a pretty good trade chip.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:45 pm EST

RHET - Good stuff on Barron..Domianting the IVY League like Hugh Jessiman did! Just kidding...hope he makes it

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:43 pm EST

STEVIE - We'll have to agree to disagree on Namestnikov and his 1 assist and -10 over the last 10 games ...It seems that in Namestnikov and BUCH they have two players that are special teams specialist and do little at ES..Can we sell them to the Russian KHL and bring over Krapshot?? :)

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:10 pm EST

Morgan Barron with 2 assists extends multiple-game point streak to 5 (3-7-9) games, overall streak to 7 games (3-9-12) in Cornell's win. Barron leads Cornell with an 8-11-19 (new career high)... Barron was also 4-0 on faceoffs, +2 on 3 shots. The hottest NYR prospect at the moment

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:59 pm EST

Irving moofman you have some matzo balls and chutzpah.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:34 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers.... OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned Boo Nieves and Ryan Lindgren to @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:30 pm EST

Macaroni Factor

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:28 pm EST

NY Rangers News ‏ @nyrgoal99 .... Rangers are 2-12-3 when DeAngelo doesn’t play. Rangers are 3rd in the NHL in points when he does play.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:23 pm EST

Lindgren may not be back as PIONK will probably be ready after the break.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:22 pm EST

Shea should give half his pay to mcquaid

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:22 pm EST

No Surprise here. More to come, i'm sure... Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Rangers are sending D Ryan Lindgren back to Hartford during the break.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:17 pm EST

Hospo I disagree on stinky, he did a good job on the pk . He can play a 200 foot game. He’s a good role player piece.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:14 pm EST

McQuaid: Two years $6 mill?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:12 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... Per NHL Stats & Information, Mika Zibanejad is now the second #NYR in franchise history who has registered the game-winning goal in three consecutive team games (the first was Rod Gilbert, who did so on Dec. 11, 1966 vs. MTL, Dec. 14, 1966 vs. DET, and Dec. 17, 1966 at TOR).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:04 pm EST

And I'll even admit that DeAngleo played a solid all around game..no mistakes..no brain gfarts..But I still think BUCH, NAMESNIKOB and NIEVES bring nothing..and I hope HOWDEN can get some condfidnece in HARDTFORD over the break becasue he is a shell of the plater he was at the onset when most of the nHL vets were just ramping up

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:03 pm EST

We have to find out what MCQUAID is looking for. He might not want to be part of a rebuild.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:02 pm EST

Hanky with the broadway hat instead of the dunce cap .

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:01 pm EST

RF4L - I like him too alot...Same attitude that should be taken with Hayes, although at a sighlty higher level

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:00 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re smart you can handle things Fredo

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:59 pm EST

RHET - That you can...And when the team plays like this, that's what you want to see all year...That'swhaat I want DQ t get out of them...BUT..unless you are committed to a firte sale and tanking.a 2nd/1B center (be it Hayes or somebidy else nt on the roster) would be needed and real nice

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:58 pm EST

Phuck the 3rd round pick McQ might fetch. Talk to him now and see if he can be resigned. If he can, resign him. JUst to me a ridiculous no-brainer. And before I get attacked, let me add that only if it's a reasonable contract.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:55 pm EST

Hospo... You can do that right before the All-Star break when you have the next 9 games off. BTW, the schedule makers suck.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:54 pm EST

Staal with a very strong game..McQ and Skjei also..McQ is a good partner for Brady

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:54 pm EST

oops...meant chunked out other than the last 10 minutes (woohoo...pot's legal in Canada!!)

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

Wowza...saw maybe half the game chunked out...other than the last 10 minutes...VERY impressive.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

MathLegs: thats like 80%

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

And DQ really wanted to win the game..for the most part was down to 9 forwards (and mainly six)..and 5 d-men..(no prob with sitting Lindgren)..and then 4 (ittel faith in Shatt and the McQ penalty) for most of the third

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:49 pm EST

If you ask me, one of their bestr efforts/wins of the year, especially on the road...Good 2-way effort byt the forwards..The D were strong ..and The King sharp

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

4 of last 5 nice

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

That's a Hockey Game.

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

Now people can post..nobody wanted to jinx it!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:47 pm EST

They played a hell of a road game against a very good team. Happy for DQ And Quaider

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

Fast hit his head on the ice

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

I have ZERO Problem taking this penalty(s).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

And refs miss Wagner hit ... way to go

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:37 pm EST

did FAST have the puck when Hit? Penalties or not...great to see the Rangers standing up for each other..LOVE McQUAID

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:36 pm EST

Thank goodness FAST got his arm up. At least a little protection.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:35 pm EST

BTW, GOOO FOR STROME!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:34 pm EST

Does MCQUAID get a 3rd man in?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:34 pm EST

Think Hospo's enjoying the game?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:30 pm EST

You know, our 2nd line is starting to grow on me.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:28 pm EST

Hanky using his head there

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:25 pm EST

i don't know what the NYR will do, but I would keep KREIDER unless we were blown away with an offer ....Hospo... In regard to Hayes: That's fair.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 pm EST

Kid k looking like Adam graves in front

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 pm EST

Good shot by ZBAD..good traffic by Kreider..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:20 pm EST

WOOOOOWWWWWWWWW.....Z-BAD SCORES!!!!! IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:20 pm EST

ZBAD from shattenkirk

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:19 pm EST

I'll take that call on Chara..but really cheap and hinky..he had zero control of the puck...Refs blow..Hope the Rangers take advantage of it..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:19 pm EST

Here comes the passing practice pp

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

Too many turnovers in their own end

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

He should yell at himslef and Krieder

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

Bad turnover Staal

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Hanky Panky stay in the NET!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

COME ON KREIDER!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Wonder who Henrik is going to yell at after that one.

Bob


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Hank has no one to blame that on but himself.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:11 pm EST

That's so on Lundqvist...idiot.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:11 pm EST

Kreider with the lazy back check...

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:10 pm EST

COME ON NYR!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:10 pm EST

Hank stay in the net

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:08 pm EST

Or zzk

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:08 pm EST

RHET I dont love HAYES..I think he changed his game last year for the team and became a more straight ahead play and a good two way 2nd center..I think he has continued that this year..Not as phyiscal as I would like, but he uses his bidy much more and dowes go near the net whilew still laying a good two way game..being able to control the puck and is a real good passer (yes he overpasses some times),and has kinda arguably been the best Ranger forward over the past 8 months..all relative though

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:07 pm EST

Good to see CHYTIL in the 3rd moving what looks to be normally. It didn't look so good after that collision.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:07 pm EST

21 points last 5 or 6 ? Games by ZBAD kid k and zucchini... kzz line

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:05 pm EST

Rhet: So does Philly & NJ, got to work the market into a little bidding war

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:04 pm EST

HOSPO... You hated STEPAN, but you love HAYES. They are very, very, very similar players with a very similar style(I didn't say identical:). Anyone reason why in particular?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:57 pm EST

schneidw - True, and I dont deny it..While I think Hayes has been the better all around player over the last year (since say Jan 18)..I think ZBAD has made good strides this year as a two way player..and he always has ggood spped and skill and shot...He plays like he has the last three games consistently, I'll be in his corner like I was converted to supporting HAYES..Still, he would fetch a hell of alot more in trade than HAYES because of his contract..all depends on GORDO's timetable in his rebuild...Maybe you deal one..Maybe you deal both..Maybe you extend hayes and keep both?? Not up to me

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:56 pm EST

SCHNEIDW... is he seriously bitching about Chytil? ....MF.... Get on the horn. Trade HANK to Boston! They now need a goalie.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:53 pm EST

I'm watching the game with my brother and he is the biggest Bruin fan in the world and he won't stop whining about the Rask hit ……………….I love it !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:50 pm EST

Hospo: I remember when you were as hard on Hayes as you are now on ZBAD... while not a complete and consistent 1C... ZBAD is as close as the NYRs have had since..... forever

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:50 pm EST

The 3rd period should be hell.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:49 pm EST

Good solid period by the Rangers..amazing how much better their D looks when the forwards are playing a more physically involved responsible game..Staal has looked real solid ...Lindgren up and down but I liek the way he plays

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:45 pm EST

MCQUAID almost scored on HANK.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:44 pm EST

Marchand should get that oscar shoved up his ass...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:42 pm EST

STROME getting a taste of NY / Boston..... Strome for Spooner, "advantage Rangers."

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:39 pm EST

basically what I mean is that you shouldn't have to move your stick out of the way to allow a guy a free skate across the position you are allowed to be in....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:36 pm EST

Something I have never liked....you can decide to skate through a guys stick, or through his legs and draw a tripping penalty. Simply being there and having a guy trip over you should not be a penalty....tripping to me has always been you put your stick in an unnatural position (not in two hands in close) and reach for a puck or a player and he goes down...NOT that you are there defending and the guy does a tight spin move and ends up across your stick falling down...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Marchand gets an Oscar for his performance on that dive

E


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Didn't Shatty get the puck first? That's a weak call

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Sam called Lindgren "Lindberg"

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Marchan dive

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:34 pm EST

SHITT pplaying the puck noot the man..as always..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:33 pm EST

One of Nieves' better plays there

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:31 pm EST

Shawn Hutcheon ‏ @ShawnHutcheon ..... #NHLBruins announce Tuukka Rask has suffered concussion and will not return tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:30 pm EST

Trade - I woulnt go near an extension for ZBAD until he's shown he can play good hockey conistently for more than 5 games at a time..That said, i hope he does, and he has become a bwtter two way player..STILL...IFFFF it's along term reuild the Rangers have in mind you can lose with him or without him,,and he can probably bring back the highest return

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:27 pm EST

yeah..surprised that only WGNER has shown much snarl for them tonight...And they basically gaave MCQ away this past off seasom

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:26 pm EST

There is no way that ZBAD gets traded unless a deal blows the Rangers out of the water and is an offer that cannot be refused........Rangers should look to extend ZBAD instead of trading him....

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:25 pm EST

No goal..but that was a welcome to the NHL shift for Lindgren!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:25 pm EST

Hospo: Definitely not a jab. I'm not opposed to moving him

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:24 pm EST

BOSTON has lost a lot of it's snarl. They are also rumored to be interested in bringing back MCQUAID ....RF4L... TY

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:23 pm EST

RDW - Wheter that's a jab or not..:), I totally agree..he's in one of his real good mini stretches right now

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:20 pm EST

Zbad's trade value has to be pretty high right now...

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:20 pm EST

I just googles Ed Sullivan, Really Big Shoe, go figure.... Hey, your boy Z'Bad with the redirect. ;-)

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:19 pm EST

the Persian Turgeon

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

MF - I dont kniw, I turned it off after "Everybody's feeling gay"......Rangers playing a good road game..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

Pretty goal...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

Z-BAD 2-1.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

How about that, win an offensive zone draw....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:17 pm EST

the Iranian Magician!

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:14 pm EST

C'mon Hospo, you're old enough to remeber Ed Sullivam and "we have a really big Show, which sounded like shoe." And as for Chytle, he went flying "small of his back" into the goalpost...... As for the Bruins, easy to resurrect the hatred for that franchise, ditto for Philthy...... carry on....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:14 pm EST

But CHYTL no worse for wear..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:13 pm EST

Shitbox PP. Again.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:09 pm EST

RF4L - Yesss!! Maybe fianlly some passion in what used to be a rivalary?

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:08 pm EST

MF I dont know about you and your last two posts..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:07 pm EST

Trade. Ditto. Fucknob Ratboy would NEVER tho. Watch him try to goon Chytil. Fuck I hate the Bruins.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:06 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrLln_KH_wE

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:03 pm EST

Now the Rangers should run Halak and then beat him with a shoe

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:01 pm EST

I would love to see McQuaid and Rat Boy Marchand go at it......It would make my winter

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:56 pm EST

and that was supposed to be CHYTL!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:55 pm EST

RHET - Even if it was "legal" and unavodable for SHYTL..I woulnt be suroised in the least if they ramped up the physicality on SHYTL and any other Ranger...What happens when your teamate gets injured

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:55 pm EST

Rhet...dude trust that was a rhetorical question...cuz they are the asshole Bruins...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

If Dickavoy hadn't been a typical Bruin prickjob his goalie would be fine and Chytil wouldn't be labouring (don't be surprised if he doesn't come out next period).

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

Hospo is putting on the foil in his Lazy Boy!! Even his dog is foiling up! Look out!

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

CHYTL attacking the net/goal like no other Ranger except Krider..and with much more finishing skill

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:52 pm EST

Why would the BRUINS target Chytil? He was clearly knocked into RASK.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:51 pm EST

Maybe that collison sets the stage for some good old time hghickey over the next two periods!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:51 pm EST

another great goal by Chytil.......and lighting up Rask was priceless

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:50 pm EST

Lololol...fuck you boston...BTW watch for Chytil. Fucking Bruins will target him. But they should be gooning Dickavoy

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:50 pm EST

Filip Filip Filip !!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:49 pm EST

Think he took the goal post up his ass?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:48 pm EST

Poor plays by Howden and Mcleod almost undo a pretty good road 1st period...Saved by aniother SWEET move by CHYTL..great power speed move just like the other night...Kid is gonna be something..attacks the net

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:48 pm EST

RASK sure looks like he has a concussion.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:47 pm EST

Chytil's shoulder looks hurt.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:47 pm EST

Give Cheetos 2 points for that

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:46 pm EST

ENOUGH...SEND HOWDEN DOWN...I MEAN WTF.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:30 pm EST

good tribute to MCQ byt Bruins fans...and I hated himm as a Bruin..Love him as a Ranger..we need more players like him

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:28 pm EST

rangerlou - was just gonna say something simuilar..the fastest he's looked in a long time........Good TEAM PK of 4 mins...Still hate the Bruins to the core

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:27 pm EST

As nosen always says good job ... on the pp

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:26 pm EST

Zuccarello is BACK!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:22 pm EST

K-Mart Shoppers, we will be Promoting Special Deals for the next 37 days with "Senior Discounts" for those of you with special needs.....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:19 pm EST

funny watching Zucc skate next to Chara!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:18 pm EST

Rhet only if you and the other armchair gms say so

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:12 pm EST

Oh joy just 37 more days of Stevie mocking everyone who doesn't share his opinion left.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:11 pm EST

c'mon Quickie..you know better than that..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:10 pm EST

Oh joy just 37 more shopping and fantasizing days left

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

Expecting a lose but curious to see if they put in an effort for DQ.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

And warp 9

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

SCHNEID - mentioned KRIEDER and a Ranger D to TOR the other day..It makes sense for them..Although I think they would be morons to want Shittinkirk..all they have do is watch how he impacted WASH two years ago.......So MCQ back in B oston for the first time..should be interesting..Love having him on the Rangers......ANy chance I get, I watch the annoncers of the Rangers opponent because i detest Nosen and DIckaltti..but dont know if I can handle a game of Jack Edwards!!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:06 pm EST

Oh no now the mooferator is cranked up to wrap 9... sakic will probably take fishpie’s eyes out

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:06 pm EST

NYLANDER would be going to the AV's in that deal. Sorry to pop your bubbles....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:58 pm EST

When MF says Preposterous, the chances of it happening seem more legit :) NYLANDER probably wouldn't get moves until closer to the draft, if at all.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:53 pm EST

A 3 Team Trade!?! Preposterous.....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:50 pm EST

I wonder if it could be a 3 team trade with NYLANDER coming to NY???

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:46 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... #NYR as expected in warmups: ....Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello... Chytil-Strome-Fast.... Vesey-Nieves-Namestnikov.... McLeod-Howden-Buchnevich.... Skjei-McQuaid.... Staal-DeAngelo.... Lindgren-Shattenkirk... Lundqvist.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:29 pm EST

Rhet: One thing is it could almost turn into a 3 team deal....just with a delay if that makes sense. If the Rangers were able to get Barrie+ type deal, other teams that dont have what the AVS want or need will want him, and he could be flipped for something more along the lines of what the Rangers want and need. A trade with the AVS may end up having the most value NHL wise for Hayes, and anything gotten from them could be flipped this season or at the draft.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:17 pm EST

https://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/maple-leafs-waiting-game-on-nylander-wearing-thin-549918.html

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:17 pm EST

Trade Targets: TOR is going to go for it this year... need a RHS defenseman.... and fast power winger...... NYRs have Shattenkirk and Kreider..... Toronto has several options... such as...

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:16 pm EST

RHET - Like others do..just passing along info...Means little to me...This next month is crazy time with all rumors and proposals

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:10 pm EST

Hospo.... I've read that before. To me it seems more like Dater putting two and two together rather than it being anything of substance. Barrie is an old SATHER target. I also just can't see adding even MORE money to the defense unless we're planning on some kind of purge. We already have Shattenkirk, Pionk, DeAngelo and McQuaid on the right side. If he was younger and locked up for a number of years on a deal, maybe I could see it, As it stands right not, It just makes very little sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:08 pm EST

AVS. I dont see them very active at the trade deadline... will pick up low cost, no term players to backfill the bottom 6... CO has limited $$$ and has the ability to take their time w the rebuild... well run organization....

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:06 pm EST

2017 DRAFT: IF (big if) the draft was done over.... (1) Peterssen (2) Heiskanan (3) Hischiier (4) Chytil... probably not correct but the point stands true... getting #1 overall does NOT prove to acquire the best player... I am sure the Flyers are ready to trade Patrick already..... Lias Andersen looks to be 3rd liner at best.... oh well...its still early!

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:02 pm EST

ANY of you talent scouts have input on these two that the AV's have: young Center on IR VLADISLAV KAMENEV http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10719 ..... They also have a RHS D'man (2nd round pick) on the IR CONOR TIMMINS http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/16627

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:55 pm EST

The AV's could use a RHS Defenceman. They have Erik JOHNSON & Tyson BARRIE.... They currently have plenty of CAP, and a guy like MCQUADE looks like an easy fit, however, maybe they emulate the San Jose "Brett Burns / Erik Karlsson" model and will kick the tires on SHATTENKIRK to really stock up the Right-Hand-Side...

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:49 pm EST

Barrie is the type of player Nob for Life should have targeted 5 years ago. Instead, he chose Dan Boyle (ridiculous) and then Keith Yandle. The ship has sailed on acquiring someone like him at this point (given his age and contract status).

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:47 pm EST

Vic: Agreed - if Tyson is coming to NY he won't even get there - he'll be going elsewhere basically immediately.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:46 pm EST

mf: As I've said before, there's a better chance of the Rangers winning the cup this year compared to the Aves trading Ottawa's pick at this point in time. If it gets traded it'll be after the lottery and only if it's not the first pick (and perhaps not even the second pick). Just like I told you a 1000 times Bouchard was not going to be moved by the Oilers, this proclamation is just as concrete.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:45 pm EST

The AV's just wooped SmelLA 7-1, Tyson Barrie with a Goal, 2 Helpers and +3...... This kid is on his way to a 60+ point Season

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:43 pm EST

Just read the link Hospo posted. No doubt with the Rangers following Colorado a lot lately, there's heavy talks happening between the 2 clubs. But the musing that going to NY is Tyson Barrie makes zero sense to me - he's going to be 28 and will be an UFA July of 2020. Why on earth when rebuilding would you trade for a player you likely will have for 28 months? The Ranger target has to be something else.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:39 pm EST

AV's moving Tyson BARRIE? No, this guy is out of his mind. AV's interested in 1 or both of HAYES / ZUCC? Likely. FishLegs' boy FishPie should offer those two as a package for that Ottawa 1st Round pick. IF we need to sweeten the deal, we revisit.

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:39 pm EST

HOSPO: I have no doubt that Colorado would have interest in HAYES, MZA, KREIDER and a few other Rangers. We've been speculating here that they would be a good trade partner for the Rangers since before the season started. BUT, I have a hard time believing that the Rangers want BARRIE in return. Not unless this is a much larger deal involving McQUAID and SHATTENKIRK/SMITH. Or this is a 3 team deal where BARRIE is being immediately moved to another team for someone else. Bringing BARRIE's salary back hurts the Rangers in terms of limiting what they can do in the UFA market. I guess they could have other plans to move other players as well. I'll wait and see but of the assets Colorado has BARRIE is waaaaaaay down the list of guys I'd be interested in based on what the Rangers have today and what they need.

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:38 pm EST

FWIW, I have a very good feeling about Morgan Barron. He turned 20 last month and is in only his 2nd year of college play plus had minimal experience prior to that. From what I can discern (which is admittedly from afar) there's a ton of upside with this kid and he could evolve into a legitimate NHLer in a few more years. How nice if so. He was drafted by the Rangers in the 6th round (174th) in 2017.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:16 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Tarmo Reunanen tallied two assists and posted a plus-three rating today. He has notched five assists/points in the last five games and 11 points (two goals, nine assists) in the last 14 games. He has also logged at least 24:00 of ice time in 12 of the last 13 games.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:05 pm EST

Not really breaking..but..Avs..Rangers ..Hayes..Barrie.Anyway..FWIW...https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-rumblings-a-blockbuster-player-for-player-trade-deal-brewing-in-the-nhl?ref=jo&fbclid=IwAR1nXCv29VRBmf6Cu3zYCYZrbabDP8uViGGqqM_cP5dfJF8JeFkUpEVxsEU

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 4:43 pm EST

WOW what a signing and wow on jitters... more important is will it be a good or bad wow tonight...

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 4:00 pm EST

ZACH TOLKINEN: A "29 year old" RHS D'man prospect... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/47669/zach-tolkinen

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:40 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... [NEWS] Wolf Pack Sign Defenseman Zach Tolkinen to PTO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:21 pm EST

td, laugh all you want. JT Miller is a bust. There I said it. He is a bust on Tampa team. This fucken obsession for the former players is not based on reality. It is based on pure emotion. So Cooper is so happy with JT performance that he keeps him on the 4th line. Right.. On the route to 50 points? Based on what? Last 20 games he collected amazing 10 points!!! 15 points in 30 games!!! Wow, what a record. In 30 games, future HOF, scored amazing 4 goals. Stop, dude. Bolts are looking to get Simmons out of Philly to get help on the 3rd line, all while great JT is anchoring the 4th line. He is a good player, when he wants to be, but he had never brought it on consistent bases. Never. At this stage, it is very hard to imagine, that he will ever will. Even his number are not telling the full story. There were 3 nights in the last 21 games, when he got 7 points, in total. Maybe he has a good game, one in a while. But that means in remaining 18 games, JT collected 3 points!!! Wow. What an amazing player. Exactly what Rangers are needing right now.. Right, another $6 million bust. Strome, collected 11 points in 27 games for the Rangers. Vesey collected 24 points, with 11 goals, playing for the Rangers. Don't hear people talk about how amazing Strome and Vesey are. Sure, JT had a good run on the 1st line last season. Tampa got him to bring a physical presence to the top line and pays him $5.25 to play with Kuch and Stammer, but somehow they are so happy with his performance, that he on the 4th line, playing with Cally and Paquette?? Common, dude. JT is a 4th highest paid forward on Bolts. I can only imagine how frustrated we will would have being, if we kept him, resigned him and he ended up scoring 7 goals in 42 games...

andrei


Sat Jan 19 2019 1:52 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/patrik-berglund-sabres-contract-career-sweden/c-304028284

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:53 pm EST

Owning a franchise is an expensive hobby for the owners, here's one way I see one of the costs: "resigning Hayes and Zucc now versus trading them for picks and or prospects and then attempting to resign them after this season. We may have to pay higher if we trade them by the deadline and then look to resign them in the offseason, so there could be an increase in salary/term cost. However, in essence you're (we're, with Dolan's money) paying for prospects and picks which have value hoping one or more of them make it with the big club. Then there's a risk that they sign elsewhere so that's a cost... "IF" we trade HAYES to the AV's or Boston, I think that he's gone, ZUCC may come back to NY regardless. jmon

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:18 pm EST

Puljujarvi- sure seems like his value and production was hyped up by playing on the same line as Laine and Aho for Finland.... his production has been pathetic for EDM... I think NYRs would be stupid to target him in a trade... likely a NHL bust

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:16 pm EST

Why does there need to be a metric for who won in a trade? TB needed size and grit. And they needed to round out their defenseman. Stock on McD was likely down due to uneven and banged up. And the window closed on the New York Rangers. So both teams got what they needed. The metric Id us is the SC. If TB wins it? Who cares? Holding together that TB team with their embarrassment of talent ain’t gonna be easy. So, we’ll see. The only metric I really care about is did the New York Rangers get the assets that expedite their rebuild. If they did, then I don’t care if TB “won” the deal whatsoever.

E


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:58 am EST

TDICHI- way to early to argue that TB won the McDonough-Miller trade.... aside the time needed to develop the prospects the NYRs acquired... lets also see what NAMESTINKOV returns on a trade plus you need to factor in what the freed up salary cap space means to the NYRs when they target Karlsson this summer...

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:57 am EST

STEVIE: You should know by now that I have absolutely no faith in anyone associated with Rangers management, and haven't for 20 years. It starts with DOLAN and SATHER. I have said it many times before but I don't think the Rangers win another Cup until DOLAN sells the team and SATHER is long gone. As for OTBG....I have no faith in that blind squirrel. Sure, there have been some hits with him and the draft, but there have more misses so far. He has a long way to go to get on my good side. The only X factor for me is GORTON. I still don't have a read on him yet. And I have no idea what he is allowed to do or not do. There are some things that I've liked that he has done. Some things that I haven't liked....not that it matters to him, you or anyone else. I am also in a wait and see mode and have been all year. I feel almost nothing for this team right now. I'm just waiting to see where it goes from here and if this is a quick turnaround to long term mediocrity or a longer term suck and rebuild. We should know by the end of July.

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:45 am EST

Re McD deal...waaay too early to proclaim the winner.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:44 am EST

TD...you like to argue? No you don't!

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:06 am EST

Vic I don’t really give 2 $hts about either of those teams . Nor am I sure fishpie can out do either one . I don’t see any fire or desire in him , and I’m not sure he is on the same page as his coach. You can put your faith in him and otbg, I’ll watch the results.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:35 am EST

RF4L - Bingo, Re: GILMOUR. But then again, that's another "hey, you never know" move. Always a chance you end up with a player who just needed a new organization to succeed. But usually, it's a wash...no real matter. Gilmour was/is a zero-risk, all-reward signing...All NCAA UFAs are...I mean, it sucks when you get a HAGGERTY or GILROY...but when you land a VESEY and HAYES? Well, even if those guys haven't matched expectations, it's safe to say they're solid players who can and might be traded for significant assets.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:32 am EST

Re: The Lighting deal - right now, the unequivocal winners of the McDONAGH deal are the Lightning. They got two top-line players who are helping that team dominate the NHL and could very well help them win a cup this year. There is ZERO question that both are playing important roles with Tampa...On the Rangers side, we've got HOWDEN, a work in progress, HAJEK, a work in progress, LUNDKVIST, a work in progress, and NAMESTINKOV, who is the only guy I can point to right now who is looking like a very solid, if not unspectacular add...There's a chance we land the 31st overall pick, which would be nice too...but roll out that deal right now, and we're on the losing end...not to say that Howden doesn't turn into the next BERGERON and Hajek the next McDONAGH and Lundkvist, a John CARLSON and we draft a super-stud player like KUZNETZOV...but we won't know whether anything we got from that deal will be an asset for at least another year or two...maybe more...And assuming the Lightning DO win the cup, the other pick we get will be the 31st overall. Here's a list of the past 10 picks at that position: Jakob MARKSTROM, Mikko KOSKINEN, Tyler PITLICK, Dave MUSIL, Oscar DANSK, Ian McCOSHEN, my boy Brendan LEMIUEX, Jeremy ROY, Yegor KORSHKOV, Klim KOSTIN, and Alexander ALEXEYEV...it's not to say any of those players are bad...but...well...you're probably not going to get a game changer at 31st overall...and we only get to pick that high if they hoist the cup...otherwise we're at 62nd overall...which kind of sucks. Go Bolts!

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:24 am EST

STEVIE: Tell that to Minnesota. They have been a perennial playoff team. Hasn't helped them one bit. And it has prevented them from ever drafting the kind of players that you can actually build a Cup winning team around. I know a lot of folks are concerned that the Rangers might become the next Edmonton. I'm not really afraid of that happening. I'm more afraid of the Rangers becoming the next Minnesota.....

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 am EST

RF4L - Talk to me in April about the Isles. I will concede that LEHNER was a good pickup. I did see that coming. I don't think Buffalo screwed up so much that Lehner decided to move on. He was having substance abuse and mental issues out there and I'm pretty sure both player and team decided a change of scenery was needed...in other words, the feeling was mutual...as for Trotz...well, the only thing the Isles were lacking last year was tending. But without JT, they're lacking depth. This is a team that will get banged like a gong in the playoffs.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 am EST

andrei - Like I said: You're hilarious. MILLER is on pace for another 50-point season...which would be his third consecutive one. He would be, without a doubt, on the Rangers' top-6...and likely on their first line. He is EXACTLY the type of player a coach like QUINN would play top minutes, which is the irony here...Oh and you forgot to mention that he was out of the lineup for a couple weeks with a shoulder injury...If you really think the reason he's on Tampa's fourth line is because they are souring to him, then you're simply looking to argue. And that's fine. I like arguing.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:56 am EST

IMO Gilmour might fetch at 7th. I suspect what Gorton will do is trade him for another minor-leaguer to give him a chance in another organization. Teams do that a lot - the Rangers did it with McI and Graves...

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:54 am EST

The Islanders success so far is a tribute hugely to Trotts. Simply put he's an excellent coach. LL has to take some credit of course for 1) hiring the coach 2) gambling on and winning in signing Lehner (he's giving them the steady goaltending they so desperately needed - Barfalo screwed up yet AGAIN on that decision) and adding the right secondary pieces. FWIW, the Leafs screwed up royally deciding they didn't need Matt Martin anymore. He's exactly what they are missing right now...

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:42 am EST

Really trying to win and make the playoffs and just playing 1 round in the playoffs is an invaluable experience for these kids and the coach . It’s a big part of becoming a Stanley Cup contender.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:06 am EST

“ The Rangers are 11 points behind the second wild-card spot in the Eastern Conference. They’ve played better lately, winning two straight and three of four to get to 20-20-7, and Quinn said the Boston game is a big one. “Momentum; getting over .500 again; clawing our way back into the playoff picture; living with this result for a long period of time,” he said. “So there’s a lot of reasons why it’s a big game.”

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:51 am EST

So the fishstink sans Tavares have as many points as Toronto and beat the craps , and are in 1st place in the metropolitan. Viva Las Vegas has the same amount of points. Coaching and gms matter. Some blame the players others give them credit.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 3:46 am EST

tdchi, what's so funny about a future HOF, Miller? It's true. On a Tampa team, he is a 4th liner. He played in total, 625 minutes, only PAQUETTE, Palat, Joseph and Calli played less. I can bet that's because he was slowly moved trough the lineup. At some point, they will be looking to unload his contract..

andrei


Sat Jan 19 2019 3:09 am EST

Wildcard - I've been a big advocate for GILMOUR since he signed here...I've always like his jump from the blueline...but his problem is, he's just not that good of a defenseman. Ten or 12 years ago, a kid like him coming up through the ranks would have been moved to forward...but nowadays, the little guys are left to go through the ranks because there's always a chance they become the next Torey KRUG...Would a team give up something for GILMOUR? Maybe. Probably not though...there are a lot of players of his ilk that get passed around for little more than another AHLer...And I think if the Rangers COULD get something for him, they probably would have by now...his future is very limited with this team...the best possible outcome at this point would be for the Rangers to go full-out liquidation...somehow move two of STAAL, SMITH and SKJEI, and then give him another 20 games to strut his stuff with top-line minutes in the NHL...and then hope for a miracle. There's always a chance...and I'll say this about Gilmour: He's gotten better every year he's played in Hartford...but if we're back into reality now, I'd say his opportunity was last winter...he tried and didn't look too bad...but unlike someone like PIONK, he didn't bring enough to the table to stay...and ultimately, he's either gonna leave via free agency or more likely, get traded so that he has an opportunity in another organization...just ain't no way he's going to leapfrog LINDGREN and HAJEK...and then in a year or two, we'll have GROSS, LUNDKVIST, MILLER and possibly RYKOV.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:59 am EST

Rhet0ric - FWIW, BARRON was nominated for the Hobey Baker this year. The odds of him winning it are...well...not good. But to be one of the 50-something NCAA'ers nominated? That says A LOT for a former sixth rounder. One of four NHL picks on Cornell this year, he's a major reason the team is where it is right now. He had a real good start to the season last year, but kind of petered out toward the end. This year, though, he's been huge for Big Red. Leading the team in scoring. Could end up being our best late round find since HAGELIN.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:53 am EST

SPOONER and BELESEKY were absolutely throw-ins in the NASH deal. Bruins needed to jettison contracts. BELESKEY was a toxic asset. SPOONER was a couple games away from the waiver wire. The Nash deal allowed SWEENEY to save face on two situations the Bruins hopelessly bungled...Beleskey was never worth the ridiculous deal he got...and Spooner was an absolute zero...a guy who they mulled over for years upon years...hoping he'd pull it together...In fact, when that deal went down, I literally spit beer on my laptop screen when I saw those two clowns were in it...Would have been perfectly happy with LINDGREN and a first...would have taken almost anything else off their roster than those two jerk-offs...Gorton pulled an absolute COUP in landing STROME for Spoons...and we're just a couple months away from never having to deal with Beleskey again, so I'm a little tickled at this point and can say we have unequivocally won the Nash deal.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:46 am EST

andrei - LOL. Yeah MILLER. A fourth liner. Kind of like BUCHNEVICH is a fourth liner. Dude, you should pick up comedy.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:43 am EST

ilya - dude, that's the point. You may THINK those guys are going to get you a top-3 pick and a superstar prospect ready to step into the NHL...but let's logic this out for a second...ain't no team out there that's in the running for a top pick that's going to trade said pick for a guy who could walk out the door in a couple months. Never gonna happen. Most years, teams that WANT those players don't have those picks anyway...this year is a bit of an anomaly because the Avalanche and Sabres both appear to be playoff-bound and both appear to have top-10 picks...but neither team will trade them...they'll trade their own first rounder maybe...but I digress...Let me ask you this next: If a team has a 'young player ready to step in' just waiting in their system...why in the ever-loving fuck would they trade that guy for someone 10 years older?!? I mean, think about it. In 2011-2012, the Rangers were in the playoffs and had a young kid named KREIDER out of BC...NHL-ready. Champing at the bit. That year, do you think they would have traded him for...say Mike CAMMALLERI? Oh hell no. And you remember what they did instead, right? They put Kreider in the NHL and rode him to the conference finals...so get this: You may get your trades...Think it's given ZUCC is gone...and the lack of contract talk with HAYES makes me think they might jettison him too...but what you get back...bud, it AIN'T gonna be what you want. Not even close.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:31 am EST

ilya - Ummmm...I guess you don't see the absolute and unadulterated irony in what you just posted...

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:30 am EST

If ZUCC is going to bring back what GRABNER brought back, then it's probably time for the Rangers to consider resigning him. A second and a prospect like RYKOV? That's better than nothing. But it's not better than the player we'd be losing...I actually don't disagree with this assessment...and I'd be curious the type of prospect we'd get...but I don't think we'd get someone like PULJUJARVI...and I'm not so sure I'd be happy with a prospect from the next rung down.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:22 am EST

RF4L - Oh don't get me wrong: I PAY a sizable percentage of my annual salary just to skate two or three times a week...and if someone would PAY ME to skate? Sweet Jesus. I mean, I've dropped in on convos about how lame it is that NHL teams send guys down on paper just so they can pay them "an AHL salary"....well...that "AHL salary" is generally pretty comfortable by most standards. Middle class, at the bare minimum. Even the lowest-paid NHLers are making hand over fist...but that doesn't change the way someone's brain works. You have a life and when you know it's poised to get upturned, it's only natural to withdraw...McDONAGH did the same EXACT thing...he didn't want to leave...and his last few months here were downright awful...but lo and behold, he's back to where he was in his prime now...skating fine. Why? Because he's got a contract, he's on a good team and his life has leveled out...I'm not sure who spoke to Zucc...and I'm also not sure how much the mental aspect of everything has fucked with his game...remember: He was injured for a while...and in today's NHL, where speed and conditioning is everything...even a week out of the gym can really throw you off balance...regardless, I suspect someone pulled him aside and said "look: There's nothing you can do about it. Ain't your fault, it's the way the cookie crumbles. Enjoy New York while you can, don't worry about it, and when the dust settles you'll be fine." Sometimes, that's all it takes. You can say that shit to yourself all day long and it won't make a difference..but when someone else does, it can really lift a weight off your shoulders.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 11:21 pm EST

Interesting Stat... #NJDevils? ?are T-14th in times scoring 3+ goals this season. The only teams that have lost more times when scoring 3+ are Ottawa, Chicago, Florida and the Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 10:28 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller has tallied a power play goal in the first period. He has now registered 18 points (five goals, 13 assists) in 19 NCAA games this season (including tonight).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:49 pm EST

Make that 1 goal and 4 assists for Gilmour....he got an assist on the OT winner

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:48 pm EST

Pack win it in OT. Lettieri's 2nd of the game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:39 pm EST

Gilmour with a goal and 3 assists so far tonight (think it’s 1 & 3) hard to imagine there wouldn’t be at least some interest in him from a team with low depth. Not so much for ancup run mind you he isn’t that guy, but for a team looking to build and that may not have a guy like him. May not happen during the season, but at the draft perhaps...it also wouldn’t be a shock if he requested a trade....I mean he has a tough path to the NHL with the Rangers.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:34 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... #NYR prospect Morgan Barron has tallied two points (one goal, one assist) thus far tonight. He has posted a multi-point game in four consecutive games (including tonight) and has extended his assist/point streak to six games.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:03 pm EST

I expect him to say whatever he believes to be the truth or what’s he’s told to say. Take your pick , but there’s no reason to say it otherwise. Except to hide the tank . He could very easily say they are rebuilding. But I’ll leave it to you experts .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:29 pm EST

But lets assume for a minute that they do sign DUCHENE on July 1. That would give them DUCHENE, ZBAD, HOWDEN and ANDERSON down the middle. On the wing they would have KREIDER, CHEETOS, KRAPSHOT, STROME, BUCH, VESEY and FAST assuming all are back. And that doesn't count whatever they get back in trades this year, plus the draft in the Spring. That isn't an awful set of forwards. I would prefer a tougher to play against lineup, and maybe some of BUCH, VESEY, FAST and STROME are dealt for those kind of players. So that kind of a constructed team could certainly compete for the playoffs either next year or shortly after that. But I don't see a Cup coming with that core. It gets DOLAN what he wants, but not what I want......

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:22 pm EST

HOSPO: Agreed that there will need to be other pieces moved. MF: Thanks. STEVIE: You can't expect anything less from DQ. But at a minimum they are going to be trading the expiring contracts. There hasn't even been a single word about talks with HAYES or his agent. That isn't a good sign if you want to see him stay here. At this point I would guess that he is going to be traded. So with HAYES, MZA and most likely McQUAID being dealt in a few weeks it is going to be "difficult" to put it mildly, for this team to make the playoffs.

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:18 pm EST

Stevie: You think he's going to say something else?

RDW


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:50 pm EST

Well the mighty Quinney is still saying they want to make the playoffs this season ...

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:48 pm EST

I don’t mind longer term deals for guys who have the wheels. Like Kreider. What I don’t like are deals like that for guys like Staal, who if he loses another step he will need a walker. I would not have been in favor of a longer term deal for a guy like Stepan, and I understand why they moved him.

Bob


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:34 pm EST

for TD: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ask-me-anything-will-penguins-make-aggressive-upgrades-at-the-trade-deadline

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:32 pm EST

cont... you get a top 3 talent on the UFA market who is 26/27/28 we must consider the options of signing him or them.... That's what I am referring to on "timing."

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:29 pm EST

VIC: Welcome back. IMO Brendan Smith ($4.35mill) must go, sure looks like Staal is here for this season and at least next before the NYR's can entertain buying him out, SKJEI fills a 2nd LHS spot, and then there are 3-5 players vying for the 3rd LHS spot..... "IF" PIONK and Spaghetti-Head stick, we don't need SHATTENKIRK, I'd much rather have a guy like MCQUAID if he'd resign a 2 year deal up to $3mill per.... IIRC you're not a fan a giving high dollar amount long term contracts to the players, however I think timing is a criteria that we have Not discussed around hear as a Component or Variable..... Like Kreider, I dont see an issue signing this guy through age of 35 on his next contract... Stone/Panarin/Duchene, ditto, if their next contract is 5/6/7 years through an age of 35/36...... I don't particularly like 8 year terms, unless the guys are younger and "elite talents."

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:20 pm EST

VIC - Agree with you on the unknown path.. hard to criticize or praise the plan for a future/rebuild/reload until you know what it is...All i know is that the team Gordo has given fans the last two years has sucked and been boring to watch...Hopefully good days ahead and not 5 years ahead..we'll see..But one thought on the rebuild is that if you really want to do it right, it wont be done just by dumping pending UFAs and ther reduced return, you will have to trade some of the folllowing guys: BUCH, VESY,NAMESTNIKKOV, SHATT,ZBAD, KREIDER,SKJEI, FAST and The KIng (if possible) if you really want maximum return and you really want to to change

Hospo


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:07 pm EST

I have been trying to figure out what the actual plan is that GORTON and crew are operating under. With the exception of dealing MILLER they didn't trade anyone last year that wasn't on an expiring contract. In MILLER's case there were supposedly locker room issues with him so there is that. But this year they have literately done nothing other then turn that waste of air SPOONER into STROME. I give GORTON credit on that one. My guess is that he had to take SPOONER in the NASH deal. SPOONER put up points after coming here last year and they wisely resigned him to a reasonable and trade-able contract. As soon as it became clear that SPOONER wasn't ever going to be a part of this team's current or future they moved him for a player who might actually help them But apart from that they have done nothing to tip their hand. And I am starting to get the fear that one of the possible paths in their roadmap is making a strong play for DUCHENE as a UFA on July 1. If they trade HAYES, MZA, McQUAID (the expiring contracts) plus one of either SHATTENKIRK or SMITH they would have plenty of money to do it and resign their RFAs. Just something to keep in mind as we watch the next six months unfold......

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:59 pm EST

Ilya, privet. Well, Zuc is 31 and at most, he will bring back a 2nd and a B prospect. Hayes will bring a 1st rounder, 3rd rounder and a good prospect. You won't get NHL experienced players in return. These trades never bring NHL players back. Teams that want vets for the playoff run, will not subtract from the roster. Not sure I also agree that last year trades did not bring a good return. Quiet opposite, i might add. In Nash to Boston trade, we got Ryan Lindgren, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Beleskey. Sponner was traded then for Ryan Strome. Grabner was traded to NJ for good prospect (Yegor Rykov) and a 2nd rounder, which, together with Boston 1st (Nash trade), was traded during draft, to grab K'Andre Miller, who might be a best defensive prospect in the system and could end up being a top pair d-man. Lindgren, just maid Rangers debut two games ago. While he is not a top pair d-man, he might end up being a solid 2nd pair d-man. Not too shabby, considering Rick Nash played total 22 games for Boston.. Fan favorite, future HOF, J.T. Miller has amazing 7 goals and 19A this season, playing comfortably on the TB's 4th line, collecting $5.25 mil (which means in NY, he would have being making $6 mil). Great stats. Ryan McDonagh, on another hand, is having an all start season. Still, in no shape or form, Rangers would have re-signed him, after 3 bad years. Maybe he is finally getting healthy, but maybe he on a loaded super team, where he just needs to play his position and rest is taken care of. In return, Rangers got Brett Howden (NHL rookie season) and Libor Hajek, 1st round pick in 2018 (Nils Lundkvist) and a conditional 2nd rounder in 2019 (could be a 1st rounder, if Tampa wins the Cup), plus Vlad Namestnikov. So you tell me, if what Rangers got in return was not enough...

andrei


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:09 pm EST

Grabner on the present nyr would have made a big difference, and avoided some of the fishpie kid rush . He’s a missing needed weapon.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:04 pm EST

I would have liked seeing grabner resigned after his debbor disaster but it never happened like it was rumored before he was traded. Think zucchini doesn’t know this ?

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:57 pm EST

We need more than we got last year for Grabs and Miller MCD and Nash , need guys who can step in and help!

Ilya


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:56 pm EST

If the rangers trade Hayes, Zukk they must get a young player who can contribute right away on top six we need players here not just prospects, we don’t need Spooners/Stromes Namestnikovs , we don’t need passengers!!

Ilya


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:19 pm EST

That was ZUCCARELLO that Friedman was saying would garner at least a 2nd and a prospect, so we haven't been too far off.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:14 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman went on an Edmonton radio show and the talk transitioned towards the trade value of two New York Rangers.... “He’s going to get traded. He’s starting to play well. He’s got a proven playoff history. Last year they traded Grabner for a second and a prospect – I think that’s kind of what they’ve looked for. I believe that you guys (Edmonton) at least looked at it. I don’t know that you’re going to do it."

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:12 pm EST

“Kevin Hayes, there’s a lot of interest… I don’t think the Rangers are going to have any difficulty moving Kevin Hayes; and as a matter of fact, they’ll probably be able to have a bit of an auction for him. I think one of the things they’re going to wait to see, though, is – for example – is Duchene available. And if he’s not, boy, that drives up the price for Hayes a lot.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 3:03 pm EST

3 months in Siberia?

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:58 pm EST

TD: Well I'd happily trade my career (which hasn't been horrible by any means) for his, even if his destination for 3 months might be Edmonton.

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:51 pm EST

Tdchi it’s hard to get through to the rebuilding purists. They want homegrown so they go weed them out after they turn 30 or sooner. The nyr can’t navigate the cap but Tampa and the playpens et al can . In the not too distant future, many will probably realize it’s the gm unfortunately. I’m waiting for fishpie to prove me wrong.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:47 pm EST

tdchi…..sometimes I feel that way about Zucc too but then I remember Stepan…...nobody wanted to let him go and look what he has turned into....basically nothing to talk about.He was well loved too,but I don't miss him.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:39 pm EST

Broken record time: I don’t know WHY the Jets would ever part with Brendan LEMIUEX...maybe because he gets less than 8 minutes a night...but he’s the type of guy the Rangers should be targeting...I know a lot of y’all want to maximize draft picks for this upcoming selection...but really what the Rangers need to do is find young, NHL-ready players like Claude’s kid...he’s had two multi-goal nights for the Jets this last month, which is crazy considering how little he plays...a guy like that on a line with ANDERSSON would be something to see...especially if they could somehow finagle Jake VIRTANEN for the other flank...you get picks? You get uncertainty. But you get players...well...different story.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:57 pm EST

C’mon RF4L. “Moping?!” The guy has been with one organizationhis entire career. There’s good, if not extremely likely chance that he gets traded. He’s got zero choice in the matter and could very well go from skating in NYC to skating in a goddamn oil field in Alberta in the dead of the arctic winter. He’s got every fan and media pundit trading him here and there for this and that...basically treating him like a goddamn object...despite all that he’s given to this team...remember he came pretty damn close to being a goddamn vegetable in service to this squad...and now he’s getting pitches to the curb like a pile of old newspapers? NTM, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is acting like he’s this fossil...at 31 years old...and he’s moping?!? Tell ya what bud: I’d be a goddamn quivering mess if I was facing that kind of pressure. And when life is sucking every bit of fun out of the sport and career you love? It’s tough to perform...not that it’s the same, but I was facing a job transfer down the street, and that