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Wed Aug 16 2017 6:18 pm EST

E: Well Gorton should care if Sakic is doing his usual and asking for something like Jimmy Vesey and a 2nd in return for Zadorov.

rf4L


Wed Aug 16 2017 5:57 pm EST

Who cares if Zadorov isn't going to be better than a 3-6 defenseman. He's what the NYR need more of. I leave the rest to the cap-oligists and rosterbaters. Part of it is I want to be entertained. Zadorov is very entertaining. He destroys people... frequently...

E


Wed Aug 16 2017 4:51 pm EST

Comparing moving Ryan O'Reilly to moving Stepan is misleading from an age perspective. Stepan was traded at the age of 27; O'Reilly at 23. O'Reilly is indeed a better FO man but also better offensively, at least statistically. Stepan's best season is 22 goals and 57 points; O'Reilly 28 and 64. I've no idea how much playing time O'Reilly gets, including PP time but for sure in Colorado he was not the 1st line centre getting first PP unit minutes and likely, given the presence of Eichel and Reinhart, he's not in Buffalo either. Stepan, meanwhile, continually got 1st line minutes and 1st PP unit time. All that said, yes for sure it's a risk when you trade someone established for a return that's all potential but that's what needs to be done when your organization is spinning and your feeder system is compromised. And another huge factor in the Stepan deal that those against it continually forget is the NMC of his that kicked in July 1st. I don't recall much fretting on here when G and S their deals but fast forward 3 years and we've seen multiple emails agonizing over the Rangers predicament due to inflated salaries that are unmovable. Gorton made a huge mistake giving Stepan that NMC and rectified it before it became another albatross contract bloating the Rangers cap.

rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 3:56 pm EST

re: O'REILLY deal: When you trade an established player for a handful of prospects, what the hell do you expect? The deal was a calculated risk for Colorado. They figured O'Reilly wasn't worth what he wanted($7.5. million) for the duration he wanted...so they pulled the trigger on a deal that would get them three players who all had a great outlook...now...if any of this is sounding familiar...O'Reilly, incidentally, is basically Derek STEPAN who can win draws...but I digress. When you trade a top-six NHL player for a gang of prospects...or in the case of one recent trade, a couple of prospect, you're taking a huge risk. And more often than not, it backfires. I'm trying to recall a recent deal where a top-line player was moved for picks and prospects where the team moving him ended up ahead. I can't recall any right now...but I can recall many where the team looked mighty foolish.

tdchi


Wed Aug 16 2017 3:51 pm EST

RDW: But he's a d-man. Maybe you mean 3rd d pairing?

rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 3:31 pm EST

RF4L: Heard the guys on NHL Network on Sirius Radio today talking about Zadorov. Basically said he was most likely destined to be a 3rd/4th line player FWIW

RDW


Wed Aug 16 2017 3:02 pm EST

E: Zadorov might be available. He was part of the Ryan O'Reilly deal that brought O'Reilly and McGinn to Buffalo and Nikita Zadorov, Mikhail Grigorenko, J.T. Compher & 2015 2nd round draft pick to the Aves. The key piece from the Aves perspective was Zadorov; he was highly touted both in his draft year and for the next couple of seasons after that due to the combination of size, aggressiveness, speed and skill. The sum of those parts, however, to date have been way underwhelming vs looking at those parts individually, to the point where management is souring on him. He is likely available for trade although given Sakic's utter fear of being burned in another trade, he'll likely cost more than what he's shown to date his capable of. When you look at this deal now you realize how bad it's played out for Colorado with only Comphter showing any promise (although I didn't bother to see who they selected with that 2105 2nd rounder). Grigorenko is out of the NHL (or about to be) and Zadorov has been a complete disappointment. Can his career be revived? I've no idea because Colorado is out west and they stink and therefore, I've seen very little of them. Pry him as a toss in with a larger deal that lands the Rangers Nate MacKinnon!!!

rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 2:50 pm EST

Sheldon Kannegiesser. His name wasn't funny but I loved saying it.

thedoc85


Wed Aug 16 2017 2:26 pm EST

LeoS - Or Per Djoos of course!

Hospo


Wed Aug 16 2017 1:42 pm EST

Sign me up for Zadorov. Oh how one can only wish. what a feast for the eyes when he comes over the boards. He is everything you hoped and prayed Mcilrath would be sans the fighting. Coming down his side? He can lower the boom.

E


Wed Aug 16 2017 1:39 pm EST

For me, it's Hakan Loob.

LeoS


Wed Aug 16 2017 12:58 pm EST

Article on Duchene, Sakic's asking price, and potential destinations: ""Friedman, in mid-February and at a time the Penguins were still vying for the back-to-back, relayed Rutherford’s general mindset: ‘I’ll do anything to win and if I have to sort it after the season, I’ll sort it after the season.’"" ...... https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/outlining-insiders-views-duchene-trade-front/

mf


Wed Aug 16 2017 12:19 pm EST

(worth a read for this part of the year) Right now, there are 20 restricted free agents who are still unsigned, per Cap Friendly. At the top are Edmonton’s Leon Draisaitl and Boston’s David Pastrnak, two of the best young players in the league. Here’s the complete list: Draisaitl, Pastrnak,Alexander Wennberg, Bo Horvat, Connor Brown, Damon Severson, Andreas Athanasiou, Josh Anderson, Sam Bennett,Marcus Foligno, Zemgus Girgensons,Anthony Duclair, Nikita Zadorov, Brendan Gaunce, Brett Kulak, Tyler Wotherspoon, Jean-Sebastien Dea, Robbie Russo, andPetteri Lindbohm...... https://www.sbnation.com/2017/8/10/16119666/leon-draisaitl-david-pastrnak-contract-holdouts-nhl-restricted-free-agents-2017

mf


Wed Aug 16 2017 11:48 am EST

Bart Crashley!!!

thedoc85


Wed Aug 16 2017 11:25 am EST

CM - I always liked Lindy Ruff and Larry Playfair!!!

Hospo


Wed Aug 16 2017 11:19 am EST

RHET: Nikolai Puchkov could be the best name for a hockey guy ever!

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 16 2017 11:04 am EST

I have some questions about Will Butcher; they are: 1) How good is this kid? The write-ups are rather glowing. Is he in the same stratosphere as Hayes and Vesey or something less? 2) Why on earth does he want to visit the Golden Showers? They currently have 11 NHL ready d-man on their roster so it's not like he's going to a threadbare cupboard, plus they're gonna stink. 3) Why aren't the Rangers pursuing him? Yes, their depth on the backline has improved significantly over the past few months but if he's the real deal, who cares. Sign him. Apparently, the Hawks are after him, which makes sense given their lack of depth after their starting 3 d-men. Maybe, however, he's not sure he's a guarantee to make the starting lineup on a recent cup winner (or a team with depth like the Rangers) and therefore, is seeking an organization desperate for bodies and therefore, willing to give him a Kevin Hayes off the record deal (re no AHL for you son).

rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 10:51 am EST

Alex Nunn‏ @aj_ranger ..... Alex Nunn Retweeted Juniorský hokej Filip Chytil (#NYR) named to Czech Republic roster for U20 Four Nations later this month. Calle Själin will also be there w/ Sweden.... Igor Shestyorkin (#NYR) gets the start for SKA against Canada at Nikolai Puchkov Memorial Tournament.

Rhet0ric


Wed Aug 16 2017 10:42 am EST

Hospo....agreed on both of your points. I know - hell could be freezing over.

Rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 10:28 am EST

OTOH, good play in tournaments like this and Traverse City mean little for the near future...Take Boo Nieves and Traverse city as an example..He dominated agasint 17-19 year olds at TC, people were getting so excited, and look what happened.....Gotta wait to camp for the real indication for the NOW

Hospo


Wed Aug 16 2017 10:25 am EST

OLA - I think I only saw Sweden's last three games..Like I said before, Andersson was VERY GOOD in one of them, showing a bit of everything, but invisible to so-so in the in the other two..That's the only thing I have to go on him, and that wasn't a player anywhere near being ready for the NHL if that's how he did vs players his own age.....BUT..you have a point about it being the tail end of a long stretch...Will have to watch him closer in camp....BUT...all things considered, he should not be playing in NY...We'll see..

Hospo


Wed Aug 16 2017 7:30 am EST

Just so it's clear I'm not making any decisions on my thoughts regarding Day based on that tourney. My point was this: Given how his season ended in junior even the most stance optimist would have to admit his showing in that tourney is at least a tad disappointing. However, at the same time one needs to remember he was a 3rd round pick so one could argue even being on that team and having an opportunity (I believe) to be on the US WJC team is encouraging and a sign of growth in his game. Nonetheless, he's likely at least 1 season away from a stint with the Rangers and maybe 2 or 3.

rf4l


Wed Aug 16 2017 5:36 am EST

That report from the WJSS is obviously made by someone who only saw the last 2 games for all teams. The Swedes and Finns played the most games (no split squads), 7 I think, Lias didn't stand out that much in the last couple of games. Pretty dishonest article made out to be from the WJSS by someone who only took a couple of days to watch it when it was played all week.

Ola


Wed Aug 16 2017 1:43 am EST

Though certainly some players stood out a lot more than others at the WJSS, I wouldn't really put too much stock in it. In the grand scheme of things, it was probably a couple steps down from Traverse City...and no where NEAR the hockey typically played at the World Juniors. Certainly, there were guys who opened eyes. And I think, for the most part, the assessment posted here was/is pretty spot on...though I would have heaped a little more praise on Lias ANDERSSON than 'meh, he did ooohkay...' Bottom line is that it's a mid-summer tourney that national teams will use to see where they stand with guys...don't think it's a sure predictor of who is going to be on the WJC rosters, much less where these players will end up for the season..certainly, I can attest that Sean DAY didn't have a great tourney. But not very many defensemen did...not at least on the defensive side of the game...the whole tourney was basically an offensive showcase...and you could tell forwards were putting little, if any stock in supporting their defense/tender. As for the Rangers' prospect there...Day they're going to want in Hartford unless the kid drops a big zero in camp...but even his play at the WJSS wasn't enough that I'd send him back to the O. And GETTINGER, who was on the far fringe of making Team USA, probably got his name added to the list of call backs for the winter...he probably went from being an early cut to having a 50-50 chance of making the team...Andersson? Well, y'all know my feeling: He's the Rangers' third-line center. And if he doesn't work out there, he'll start in Hartford and captain Sweden at the WJCs. So that's the long and the short...was good to see all the kids, but I wouldn't be calling the ball on anyone quite yet.

tdchi


Wed Aug 16 2017 1:43 am EST

Though certainly some players stood out a lot more than others at the WJSS, I wouldn't really put too much stock in it. In the grand scheme of things, it was probably a couple steps down from Traverse City...and no where NEAR the hockey typically played at the World Juniors. Certainly, there were guys who opened eyes. And I think, for the most part, the assessment posted here was/is pretty spot on...though I would have heaped a little more praise on Lias ANDERSSON than 'meh, he did ooohkay...' Bottom line is that it's a mid-summer tourney that national teams will use to see where they stand with guys...don't think it's a sure predictor of who is going to be on the WJC rosters, much less where these players will end up for the season..certainly, I can attest that Sean DAY didn't have a great tourney. But not very many defensemen did...not at least on the defensive side of the game...the whole tourney was basically an offensive showcase...and you could tell forwards were putting little, if any stock in supporting their defense/tender. As for the Rangers' prospect there...Day they're going to want in Hartford unless the kid drops a big zero in camp...but even his play at the WJSS wasn't enough that I'd send him back to the O. And GETTINGER, who was on the far fringe of making Team USA, probably got his name added to the list of call backs for the winter...he probably went from being an early cut to having a 50-50 chance of making the team...Andersson? Well, y'all know my feeling: He's the Rangers' third-line center. And if he doesn't work out there, he'll start in Hartford and captain Sweden at the WJCs. So that's the long and the short...was good to see all the kids, but I wouldn't be calling the ball on anyone quite yet.

tdchi


Wed Aug 16 2017 12:02 am EST

Ooo I member

LeoS


Tue Aug 15 2017 10:37 pm EST

MF..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndI9vkgw_1Y

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 15 2017 9:26 pm EST

stevie: Yeah, I remember - 1994. So long ago.

rf4l


Tue Aug 15 2017 8:53 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyM8NVl4yBY

mf


Tue Aug 15 2017 7:00 pm EST

Member when the nyr were Stanley cup contenders ? Now they're pretenders.

Stevielegs


Tue Aug 15 2017 4:44 pm EST

'Member when Jimmy was supposed to be the better of the two Hayes brothers? Member?

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:43 pm EST

MF: I understand in principle what you are advocating. Here is where I am. On the ice the New York Rangers are better with Nash than without. His salary comes off the books at the end of the year. Maybe he's back maybe not. I'm not sure where the New York Rangers will ultimately land in the standings this season. But they have a lot of offensive weapons and they have some defensive ones as well. Obviously, much depends on goaltending and how the rest of the defense comes together. I see a New York Rangers that will make the playoffs and have its worts. And as usual just like Ottawa last season. Once you're in things can happen. So who knows? I would definitely entertain trading anyone who can make the team better. On to BENNETT: I cannot imagine why Calgary would want to move this guy. They are a small market u dear cap team that lives off of development and internal growth and they are being rewarded for that. He has good upside, they took him on a high pick and he is no bust, nor does he look like he is going to be one. So, I don't see where Calgary wants to move him. They made the playoffs last season for the first time in a bit, and they played a tough edged, gritty series against Anaheim. Experience is what beat Calgary every bit as other factors. If I am Calgary it's steady as she goes and all points look good right now.

E


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:38 pm EST

And I want to officially say "NO" to JIMMY HAYES. I don't want any distractions for KEVIN. I don't want him trying to force pucks to his brother when he should be shooting or moving the puck elsewhere. I don't want him distracted in any way from being able to step up and take the 2nd line center job and running with it.

Vic


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:36 pm EST

HOSPO: I'm more on E's side in that if the guy shows he can hold his own then I don't have a problem with ANDERSSON staying. But if he doesn't clearly show he can hold his own at the NHL level I'd rather him play elsewhere until he is ready. As for your comment about ZBAD going down with the an injury, you can make the same argument about HAYES going down. HAYES is really the only creative player in the middle on this team assuming MILLER doesn't get moved to center. STEPAN's departure opens up a top 6 spot for him and the Rangers desperately need him to be the dynamic offensive player that he can be. With that opportunity comes responsibility. Lazy play can't be tolerated. He needs to bring his A game every night. I'll tell you this. As big a fan of his skillset as I admittedly am, this is a make or break year for him. If he can play consistently at a high level and be a difference maker then he will get his new contract with the Rangers. If he can't I'd cut bait on him by the deadline. No point investing good money in a player that proves himself to be at best an enigma. And frankly either result wouldn't surprise me. I could easily see him getting 70 points or more with the PP time and opportunities he will be getting. I could also see him failing badly and putting up 40 or 45 points, especially if he forgets what he learned last summer and shows up to camp heavy, out of shape and with a box of Dunkin Donuts under his arm.

Vic


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:08 pm EST

The Baker? The Tailor?

mf


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:07 pm EST

Also, this allows ANDERSSON to play in the lower levels to continue to mature..... OAN: JT Miller, Hayes, Grabner, Vesey, are all in contract years it will give the NYR's a good opportunity to size up both Miller & Hayes future with the club......

mf


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:01 pm EST

The teams Butcher is visiting are interesting..... Per Mike Chambers‏Verified account @MikeChambers ..... It's official: Will Butcher to formally reject #Avs, visit with Devils, Sabres, Golden Knights http://dpo.st/2vAUNWE via @denverpost

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 15 2017 1:01 pm EST

E: I owe you a response relating to trading Nash from a few days ago, but basically, when we play out each move to try to reason things out, you just have to factor in the economics of the cap..... We have $3,050,556 and there are a couple of teams which "may" be induced into trading with us if we take on some of their cap burden. Detroit, Toronto, Minny, there are a few more who still have RFA's to sign, which come to mind:............. 1) Will Staal waive? We've determined slim to not at all. Could he get benched to try to pressure him? sure, buts it doesn't seem like a quick fix, maybe it would take affect for next season.. 2) Trade RICK NASH: "I LIKE RICK NASH ON THIS TEAM!" however, what's best for the team all around? As constructed are we 1 round and done in the upcoming playoff's? IF YES, might as well rip the "MF" open..... NASH said no to be traded to any Canadian teams, however I believe he must submit a list of ten teams he'd accept.... It doesn't matter, Nash out brings us to $10,850,000 cap minus any salary coming back.... All of a sudden JVR AND Bozak fit on our cap and we've just replaced Nash's offense with JVR (perhaps not his all around game, that's for sure) we play the two on the same line and just add a wing.. The center slot is now adequately patched, as it's been the last 7-10 seasons so its nothing new for this squad to be without a 1st line center... We can target Nash next season with a 3 year 4-5 mill contract, let's see if he bites......... Here's another option: SAM BENNETT: We start with Zuccarrello: CMark states Zucc is a top 6 and not only a fan favorite, he's an NHL fave, bottom line, the guy has "trade value now" and this is exactly why a team MIGHT part with a Bennett, Horvat, Larkin, and IF we can acquire one of these type guys we then re-address the wings.... (Detroit is eating a ton of dead weight contracts) Toronto will need to pony up on some contracts in Mathews, Nylander, Marner, and they too are carrying some dead weight......... To be very far fetched: Nash gone, we get something in return which may be of interest to Calgary or Toronto, Zucc gone for Bennett, we get Bozak with or without JVR, let Desharnais go to the AHL or ship him out in one of these trades: Our center position looks like: Z'bad / Bozak / Hayes / Bennett with the possibility of adding JVR to plug in for NASH..... Let's see if JVR brings the same enthusiasm as Shattenkirk to play for HIS childhood favorite team too...... I'm willing to bet going this route will get us no worse off than 1 and done for the playoffs........

mf


Tue Aug 15 2017 12:21 pm EST

Being a hopeless optimist (and not having seem much of Nieves on the piss poor Pack) let me point out that over the years I've seen some players who cannot impress in the AHL suddenly take off where brought up to the NHL and surrounded with better players. So maybe Nieve (or others) will surprise us in camp. I know, I'm a hopeless Ranger fan who is waiting to have his heart broken yet again this year! :(

Ranger47


Tue Aug 15 2017 12:15 pm EST

E - But if he can "hold it" versus crap competition, what good is that for anybody involved?...Look, the 1-dimesion prancing Desharnais has a job ..as for the other spot, maybe Nieves will be a revelation this year..Let's hope so, but he was an absolute zero in the AHL last year (injuries or no injuries)..He has so much to prove.....it's not impossible that Andersson can almost win a job by default even if he's not ready since there's nobody else in the Ranger depth chart..Not good...But again, still time for need changes and aqusitions

Hospo


Tue Aug 15 2017 12:04 pm EST

My take is if you can play then you play. Very simple. Anderson comes in with a roster spot if he can hold it down. If not? Then someone else. Maybe by platoon and maybe by trade. We will have to wait and see. But younger players are more and more ready to play in the NHL these days. Partly because of the rules and partly because of training and development. I'm not counting on Anderson anymore then I'm thinking he needs to go somewhere else to hone his game.

E


Tue Aug 15 2017 11:47 am EST

FWIW, I believe that VIC is right on. The #3 C position is Andersson's to lose in training camp and the first quarter of the season. I don't see Nieves making it with Desharnais there.......and I fully expect AV to have the Staal-Holden pair with Desharnais, Grabner and Jasper fast out there to close out one-goal games again. This will be after Desharnais, Fast and Grabner get first line minutes during the second half of games the Rangers are leading while JT and Kreider spectate from the bench.

Bob


Tue Aug 15 2017 11:35 am EST

Ranger47 - Gotta say I HATE that potential (and likely) line-up down the middle...Zbad's a 2nd C..I don't know what the hell Hayes is..and forget the other two,..Personally, I want nothing to do with the team if it's goal is to just make the POs..But again, one deal or moving JT back to center changes things..

Hospo


Tue Aug 15 2017 11:15 am EST

Hospo: I think it's possible that in a worse case scenario(aside from moving JT to center) Ranger management may be looking at having DESHARNAIS to possibly be their 3rd line center and backfilling with a 4th line center if neither Nieves or Anderson work out. I could see as possible lines Kreider-Brazzard-Zucc, JT-Hayes-Grabner/Bucc, Vesey-Desharnais-Nash, Puempel-Nieves/Anderson/?-Grabner/Bucc with Fast replacing Puempel when he returns. Not a great lineup, but with the hopefully improved D we should at least be a PO team. Rather see us get that missing 3rd line center, but due to the cap we may need to wait until the trading deadline to fir in that missing center for the Cup run.

Ranger47


Tue Aug 15 2017 11:00 am EST

Ranger47 - That's possible..Like I said, there's still time...But..it's usually bottom line centers that shake loose after teams see what they have in camp..They aren't gonna help all that much..Need a center that pushes guys down the lineup IMWO

Hospo


Tue Aug 15 2017 10:53 am EST

Aside from wanting to see how Anderson and Nieves play in preseason, Ranger management may simply be waiting for other teams to evaluate their own rosters before making a trade for a center. JMHO.

Ranger47


Tue Aug 15 2017 10:43 am EST

Imagine just one 15-20 game injury to ZBAD for a concussion or broken finger....The Rangers down the middle (without moving JT) is Hayes (hah!), the prancer from MTL/EDM, and a cast of nothings..Either move JT permanently for this year stating with camp or get a real center..Still time but..

Hospo


Tue Aug 15 2017 10:32 am EST

VIC - Any thought by the Rangers of ANDERSSON in the NHL this year is idiotic IMWO...I watched him in three games recently...One good game where he showed that he has a bright FUTURE as an all around player..The other two...invisible to meh amongst players his own age...This is not an NHL ready player..If this is the roster GORTON moronically (if that's a word) wants, the center position is a clustefuck and, I agree, moving JT back there is the best band-aid...

Hospo


Tue Aug 15 2017 9:55 am EST

Read that hockeynews story and not surprised to see that Sean Day was not on the author's rather extended list of 35 players who stood out. A disappointing showing for sure that reminds me once again that Day was a 3rd round pick for a reason. Now I'm beginning to believe he needs to be sent back to the OHL for his final year. The AHL may overwhelm him.

rf4l


Tue Aug 15 2017 6:58 am EST

TD: I agree with your post yesterday about the Rangers planning on ANDERSSON filling that 3rd line center spot. After the shock of that pick wore off I thought a lot about what they did and why. It was clear to me that they picked ANDERSSON because he was "NHL ready". I believe they have every intention of him playing in that 3rd line center spot much like they did with HAYES in his rookie year. They are prepared to invest the first half of the season getting him adjusted to the NHL game and hope that he takes the same big step that HAYES did in the second half of this season. It is his job unless he shows in camp and preseason that he can't handle it. If that is the case then I think the fall back is to move MILLER to center. The Rangers have a lot of depth on the wings. Moving MILLER to center isn't their first choice but it doesn't hurt the team. If it were up to me I would go that route over having ANDERSSON playing 3rd line Center unless ANDERSSON comes to camp and really plays at a level where you just can't keep him off the roster. That is the way it should be done.

Vic


Mon Aug 14 2017 11:26 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-players-who-stood-out-most-at-world-junior-showcase

mf


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:57 pm EST

Brian LawtonVerified account @brianlawton9 Twitter bio..... "Former NHL Player/Agent/General Manager. Current NHL Network Analyst."

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:51 pm EST

I thought Lawton was a player agent.

Bob


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:20 pm EST

If you want to play fast that's the New York Rangers cup of tea. They're one of the fastest teams in the NHL and so quick on the transition. And if they get the lead they are so skilled at taking advantage of the open ice But if you want to play a 1-4 or even an 0-5 like Ottawa did last spring you'll ground the New York Rangers into neutral and then you can take advantage of their sketchy special teams. And that's just the Achilles Heal of the New York Rangers as it was in the past. Now if their defense becomes more lockdown and their PK solid? Plus they have a lethal power play? They'll win a lot off of it. They'll push the pace on you.

E


Mon Aug 14 2017 6:22 pm EST

TDCHI - True about their faulty design..Well, faulty is my word, not yours...Anyway, they are designed just like they were last year--another failed season--to be an offensive team that will jump on other teams early and early in the season when the game is a joke but, if kept as is, will be a failure late in the season and in the POs, just like last year..Doesn't mean the right changes still can't be made..

Hospo


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:58 pm EST

Lawton's been around, hasn't he? A player (former first overall I think - first American to be selected first, if I"m not mistaken). Then a GM (I think) and following that, a player agent. Not sure what he does now. Is he an NHL network insider perhaps?

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:56 pm EST

FWIW, I heard Brian Lawton on the Fan590 when Shattenkirk was traded to Washington. He was very complimentary towards Shattenkirk, calling him a legitimate offensive d-man capable of top pairing minutes.

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:21 pm EST

Brian Lawton was the guy blabbing about PASTRNAK and I believe it was just idle speculation, since the B's want him at $7 million and Pastrnak sees himself worth a hell of a lot more...B's are pretty much in rebuild mode...They got a lot of young promising kids...I could see some executive shrugging and saying 'bahhh...why not see who will offer what...' But to trade a talent like that at his age...that's something a mindless dolt like Chiarelli would do...Don't think Sweeney is nearly that fickle...and besides...the guy who has one foot out the door in Boston is SPOONER. He'll be the first moved.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:16 pm EST

TD: I concur Buch belongs on the top 2 lines but certainly breaking him at the bottom isn't unprecedented. In fact, I'd argue it happens more often than not, especially for a kid with zero NA experience (re pace and physical aspect of the game, plus different rink size). That said, unless he flames out in camp, the Rangers (re AV and staff) most do their best to get him ready for top 6 minutes.

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:12 pm EST

The thing with BUCHNEVICH is that he's a high-end talent. The way the Rangers used him last year was about as wrong as they come. Part of the problem of course was that he was out with his back injury for so long...but a kid like that is wasted on the bottom six...unless of course he's slotted for the top PP unit...I would explain it like this: Buch isn't a bad two-way player, as much as he's a really good offensive talent. I see VESEY has a better two-way player and less of an offensive talent. It's not to say he doesn't belong in the top six...but you know KREIDER, ZUCC and NASH are going to take three of the four wing spots...I see Buch or MILLER as the guys most naturally suited for the fourth...But also realize this team --as demonstrated last season and as designed so far this summer --is centered around having four strong offensive lines...So a 1A, 1B and a 2A and 2B. it's why DESHARNAIS is a very good fit, IMO...so no matter where you slot guys, they're always going to be with a pivot who is more than a grinder...it's why I highly doubt someone like WINNIK would ever be signed...and why HRIVIK was an afterthought when it came to filling fourth line center...They want all four lines ready and able to score.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 5:12 pm EST

Rhet: Which makes sense given their cap space, his age and upside, not to mention most of their offensive forwards are pushing 30 (or over).

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 4:50 pm EST

TD: My untrained eye thinks that VESEY plays more of a PF game and is better suited on a line with NASH, while BUCHNEVICH may be better off getting his beak wet on a line where JTMiller and Anderson engage more of the physicality of the line combo.... IIRC VESEY played well on a line with Nash in the PO's to the point where he may take some of the attention off of Nash... I'd like to see a larger sample of games by BUCH to form an opinion....

mf


Mon Aug 14 2017 4:19 pm EST

Well, it was fun while it lasted..... Per Joe Haggerty‏Verified account @HackswithHaggs .... Despite the rumors, Bruins currently have no appetite to trade David Pastrnak...they should be committed if they did

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:40 pm EST

FYI, Desharnais is a guy who has a lot of speed...he and Grabs would probably be pretty lethal on a line together...in truth, the more I think about the Desharnais signing, the more I like it...Zero risk, all reward...he's a guy who is three years removed from a 50-plus point season...could be a reclamation coup much as Grabner was last season.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:38 pm EST

mf - DOH! I actually had VESEY penned into the top six, but then remember that NASH will usurp many of those minutes. I think Vesey will be a HUGE part of the team next season...And I will be surprised if BUCHNEVICH isn't in the top six. So maybe a third line of MILLER-ANDERSSON-VESEY and see GRABNER slot in with DESHARNAIS. Still think Jimmy HAYES lands on this roster...too many BC/Boston connections for him to not get at least a tryout.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:16 pm EST

Pastrnak apparently is seeking huge dollars - something like $7,000,000. What's interesting is that the Bruins are $10,000,000 under the ceiling so from a cap perspective, they can afford to resign him.

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:05 pm EST

PASTRNAK: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10786

mf


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:02 pm EST

TD: I don't see VESEY in those line proposals. Also, Nash / Hayes / Buch ? I read that as a soft combo, does Nash have a "one timer in his arsenal yet? He's 4-5 years from retirement, better late than never to develop one......

mf


Mon Aug 14 2017 3:01 pm EST

Brian Lawton‏Verified account @brianlawton9 ..... With what I am hearing I would not be surprised if David Pasternak @NHLBruins is traded. #contractproblems @NHLNetwork

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 2:47 pm EST

KREIDER: another reason he is untouchable... http://www.tsn.ca/chris-kreider-master-of-redirecting-pucks-1.826815

schneidw


Mon Aug 14 2017 2:44 pm EST

DOH! http://www.mlive.com/broncos/index.ssf/2017/03/chris_dienes_and_mike_mckee_si.html

schneidw


Mon Aug 14 2017 2:03 pm EST

RF4L - Was wondering the same thing when I saw MARCHENKO on waivers. Brings them down to six NHL defensemen. Would think their plan is to sign/trade for someone...and obviously, there has been plenty of smoke around the BOZAK rumor...but then again, perhaps the significance is to clear space to sign BUTCHER.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 1:16 pm EST

would like the rangers to sign mike mckee when he becomes available on 8/15 he certainly would fill a void

docjay


Mon Aug 14 2017 12:31 pm EST

TDCHI - If so, they are dead wrong..That is, if contending for the Cup means anything..

Hospo


Mon Aug 14 2017 12:28 pm EST

The TO moves makes me wonder if a trade is coming, to a particular NY team, maybe?..... Per James Mirtle‏Verified account @mirtle .... Confirmed: Marchenko is on unconditional waivers. That means his contract will be terminated tomorrow and he'll return to the KHL.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 12:27 pm EST

Something that is becoming clearer and clearer every day is that the Rangers believe they have their soldiers for 2017-2018…and that to me suggests the plan all along has been to get Lias ANDERSSON…or possible CHYTIL…into the lineup as the third-line center...them allowing Vegas to take LINDBERG even though protecting him probably wouldn’t have cost much…maybe HOLDEN and a mid-pick…then to grab a guy like DESHARNAIS…and that’s it…and to not move on someone like BOZAK at a time when the Leafs both need defensemen and are in a cap crunch…I think the only question mark now is whether they snag KERFOOT in an effort to hedge their bets at the middle…seems to me Desharnais is the fourth-line center and that Lias will end up being third line, with HAYES and ZIBANAJED falling in at two and one respectively…And if Lias doesn’t work out, that’s when MILLER slides into third-line center…but even this idea…that Miller will move to center…gets really murky…I don’t think JENSEN would have gone to the KHL if he thought he could land a spot in the Rangers’ top nine…And that’s BEFORE considering FAST will be on the shelf for a month to start the year…I do think we’re going to see A LOT of VESEY and BUCH in the top nine…my forward lines roll out like this: ZUCC-Z-KREIDER, BUCH-HAYES-NASH, MILLER-ANDERSSON-GRABNER, PUEMPEL-DESHARNAIS-???...For the question marks, my odds-on favorite to land that job is Jimmy HAYES, who I suspect will be in camp to earn roster spot until FAST comes back...also think there’s an outside chance Chytil is kept in New York until he reaches 10 games…So this is all a long way of saying I don’t think the Rangers are going to do much of anything more this off-season…certainly not a deal that would get someone like Sam BENNETT to the team.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 12:22 pm EST

The Rangers are with number one centers what the Flyers are with goalies.

E


Mon Aug 14 2017 12:18 pm EST

Per Dan Milstein-Hockey‏Verified account @HockeyAgent1 ........ Alexey Marchenko of the Toronto Maple Leafs was put on NHL waivers today. Media statement tomorrow at 1pm EST.

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 11:36 am EST

RF4L - Agree abou BUCH and VESEY...VESEY already knows how to play the NHL game (especially in the POs when it matters), he really started to succeed at the end, and I expect the production to come this year...BUCH, as you said, is the wildcard..has the talent/skill but has yet to learn and play the NHL game (which is understandable)...Be interesting to see how he develops this year..

Hospo


Mon Aug 14 2017 10:09 am EST

I'll be pretty pissed if we re-sign Perennial Playoff No-Show Rich Nash.

LeoS


Mon Aug 14 2017 9:21 am EST

rf4l: I agree about NASH and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets re-signed ($reasonably$) Hopefully they're a playoff team but they sound like the Mets. If this guy steps up and that guy plays like he can and on and on. I can't shake the stink of the blown leads from this group.

Pal17


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:51 am EST

McDonagh and Skjei caught trespassing on video..... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/897074741957230592

Rhet0ric


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:32 am EST

A wild card for the Rangers I think could be Buch. If he can produce, 20+ goals aren't out of the question and that would have a trickle down effect through the lineup. Vesey is another who could up his totals although I believe Buch clearly has more raw offensive skill. Vesey needs to pick up this fall where he left off in the POs and that's being physical and driving the net. He does that 20 goals is easily in reach for him.

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:30 am EST

Pal: IMO if Nash is having a good year and so are the Rangers it's highly unlikely he's moved. If the Rangers are struggling, then the possibility certainly exists, especially if he's producing.

rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:19 am EST

Dealing NASH at the deadline could be interesting

Pal17


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:17 am EST

I have no interest in seeing WINNIK. Personally I'm curious to see JTM @ Center with GIONTA, JAGR, IGINLA or dare I say it...VANEK.

Pal17


Mon Aug 14 2017 7:00 am EST

Suspect Winnick is too slow for AV anyways.

Rf4l


Mon Aug 14 2017 6:36 am EST

The only question Dan WINNIK answers is "who's getting traded at the deadline?" Guy is worthless. Would be even more worthless on the Rangers. The only thing he'd solidify is our position toward the top of next year's draft.

tdchi


Mon Aug 14 2017 4:31 am EST

Irving Moof two more guys from the neighborhood, pay attention. Were you the chief or a squaw ? Do you still chase garbage trucks? Is your mooferator in summer mode or being reprogrammed?

Stevielegs


Sun Aug 13 2017 11:04 pm EST

Zucc isn't going anywhere as long as he's under contract. The only reason we traded Callahan was because his contract was up. This isn't fantasy hockey, it's still a business and Zucc is still productive and is probably the most popular Ranger right now. His contract isn't that bad. Personally I think the team wouldn't be as fun to watch without him.

ColoradoMark


Sun Aug 13 2017 10:47 pm EST

Re: Bennett, that's for Gorton to pick up the phone and make an inquiry... We're not on the inside, we don't know the current "ask" for Bennett, but one thing is for sure is, he has price where they'd move him...... Gorton's job, get a fresh market......

mf


Sun Aug 13 2017 9:27 pm EST

Rhet: I suspect you're correct but there was a lot of noise at the end of the season last year about the Flames discontent with Bennett and how the new coach and him don't jive. Also, there's huge pressure in Calgary to keep pace with the rejuvenated Oilers that starts at the ownership level, the same ownership that forced previous management to hang on to Iginla despite the obvious picture the team was in massive decline to the point where Iginla's trade value was totally compromised. IMO, it's not out of the realm of possibilities.

rf4l


Sun Aug 13 2017 8:40 pm EST

Sam Bennett is NOT available. How often do teams get rid of 1st Round picks when they go though a Sophomore slump? Never? Calgary moved him down to the 3rd line last season and that could have a little something to do with it. Also, Bennett and Zuc do NOT score at the same clip. Bennett has 31 goals in his past 2 seasons and Zuc has 41.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 13 2017 5:39 pm EST

rf4l: like your idea... but don't see how this trade is remotely even... Bennet is faster, cheaper, younger and scores at the same clip at Zucc... what incentive does CGY have to trade the 4th overall pick in the 2014 draft for an aging, small winger with mediocre numbers for someone making >$4M/yr wheras Bennet makes $750K

schneidw


Sun Aug 13 2017 4:30 pm EST

RE: SAM BENNETT: What gets this deal done? We need a center possibly 2 for this upcoming season, got to be serious competitors while we remodel (like that?) and go for it......... The have 11 forwards signed (Bennet is still unsigned) 6 D'men signed (3 LHS, 3 RHS) $7.165 mill in cap wiggle room..... They seem solid down the center, they just signed G Mike Smith to sure up the nets, obviously a weak spot for them. Would they prefer NICK HOLDEN over Bartkowski for the 3rd Pair LHS? Does Holden Appeal to them as a 7th? Do we have a LHS D'man in our pipeline they want not named Sean Day? A goaltender not named SHESTYORKIN we can part with? Do we consider moving Zucc? Personally if we had to add Desjarnais in a deal like this I have no issues.....

mf


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:59 pm EST

Schneidw...i've been floating the notion of moving Zuke since mid-way thru last season. I really like the guy but like you say he's 30 so what you see is what you get which is a legitimate top 6 winger. That's the Rangers strength on the big roster so that's where you look to trade from to address a weakness. Would the Flames consider him straight up for Sam Bennett? A risk for the Rangers due to Bennett's regression last year but it was only his 2nd year and he's but 20 years old. A risk for the Flames because Zuke is an UFA in 2 years. Rather even I'd say.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:47 pm EST

Zuccarello: I know he is a NYR FAN favorite and had a solid playoffs... but reality check: he will be 30YO when the season starts... only scored 15 goals last season with powerplay time and had his 2nd lowest possesion metrics so am I the only person thinking its time to trade him while he still have value???

schneidw


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:43 pm EST

#1 CENTER: Last NYR center drafted in the 1st round was Jamie Lundmark 1999. OUCH!

schneidw


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:40 pm EST

Dan Winnik, 32YO center scored 12 goals last season on 3rd/4th lines for WAS.. made $1.5M/yr and is a UFA... I would prefer to sign him than move JT Miller..

schneidw


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:37 pm EST

E: yeah, nobody has a crystal ball to forecast the makeup of a team 3 years into the future.. I guess its an attempt to evaluate teams salary cap and prospect management...good vs bad contracts... NYRs have done a great job on salary cap.... some questionable trades and absurd dealing of #1 picks has them very thin on prospects.... thankfully Gorton has collected some draft picks from dealing Brassard and STepan so I really like his moves so far...

schneidw


Sun Aug 13 2017 3:06 pm EST

Hospo....a hole in the Ranger organization since Messier era I. Clearly, not easy to address.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 13 2017 2:53 pm EST

RF4L - They aren't lacking a 2nd center, they are lacking a 1st line center!!

Hospo


Sun Aug 13 2017 12:48 pm EST

My bold predictions for the 2020 Season: 1-Matt Puempel will no longer be with the team (I would further venture a guess that he wont even be with the team past the current season)... 2-Filip Chytil will NOT be playing RW on the 4th line for the NYR in 2020. In three years time if our former 1st Round Pick is starting on the 4th line, something has gone terribly, horribly wrong with his career path. Also, he plays Center/LW NOT RW.... 3-After another 3 seasons of playing and at the tender age of 38, I hope and pray that Hank is not still our starting goaltender, if anything, IMO, he will be our backup.... 4-One of JT Miller, Kevin Hayes or Chris Kreider will be traded by the time the 2020 season begins.

Rhet0ric


Sun Aug 13 2017 12:09 pm EST

Is Sam Bennett available? Could be the 2nd line centre the Rangers are lacking....

Rf4l


Sun Aug 13 2017 10:32 am EST

Those three year articles are so stupid. Wanna know what the New York Rangers will look like in three years? More then half the roster will be turned over. Trades will be made, UFA will be signed and the New York Rangers will not be anything like they are now.

E


Sun Aug 13 2017 9:27 am EST

I read the article too. Problem with projecting 3 years out is the impossibility of accounting for additions (and subtractions) to the organization. He mentions changes have begun and more will come but what are they and what will they address? Depth is lacking on the forward lines after the 2 first rounders this past draft so you can be sure that's where Gorton will focus his efforts.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 13 2017 9:19 am EST

stevielegs - I happened upon the 2020 links a few days ago, read a few and got the distinct impression that the author simply looked at draft order and year when pulling that together. My thoughts were confirmed when this clown listed HALVERSIEVE as the backup in three years. Not saying it's impossible, but seriously...And CHYTIL playing wing? PUEMPEL on third line? Saved my self the time and didn't read what he wrote. Suspect that was a wise decision.

tdchi


Sun Aug 13 2017 9:10 am EST

Re: 2020 line-up.............FIRE THE GM NOW ! That team wouldn't make the PO's.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Aug 13 2017 8:58 am EST

SCHNEIDW: Disappearing act? How are you measuring that statement? You are looking at stats? It sounds like you are looking at goals scored and making all of your judgements. If that is the case then LINDBERG was great for the Rangers? In reality LINDBERG threw the puck at the net from places that weren't even remotely close to being scoring chances.....and the puck went in because ANDERSON was horrible at times. I would urge you to go back and watch the OTTAWA series again. You'll have to fight back the urge to vomit over how badly the Rangers played in allowing a shit team to beat them. But what you will see if you do watch those games is that HAYES created more high quality scoring chances for teammates then ZBAD, STEPAN and LINDBERG combined. Every game. Every period he created scoring chances. Hell, he sent GRABNER on breakaway after breakaway. But the Rangers didn't score on many of those chances. Is that HAYES' fault? The guy is never going to be a dominant goal scorer in this league. That isn't his game. He will always look to setup a teammate if that option is there. It can be maddening at times because he passes up good shots too often. But he CREATES offense for others. That is his job. That is what he needs to do to be a successful player in this league. And he was doing it in the playoffs this past year. The year before he sucked in the playoffs. Hell, he sucked that entire year. But they didn't lose that series to OTTAWA because of HAYES or anything he did/didn't do.

Vic


Sun Aug 13 2017 8:22 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2020-vision-what-the-new-york-rangers-will-look-like-in-three-years

Stevielegs


Sat Aug 12 2017 10:40 pm EST

LOL...I find this interview quite charming and 3 things stood out to me. In no particular order they are: He's young. He's Russian. He's got some personality. https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-summer-catch-up-pavel-buchnevich/c-290637566

rf4l


Sat Aug 12 2017 9:25 pm EST

Mike Fisher: Nashville scored 18 goals last year which is more than either Stepan or Hayes scored... wish he didnt retire becuase he he could help the NYRs on a 1 year contract.. dammit!

schneidw


Sat Aug 12 2017 5:30 pm EST

...and I really hate it when people give Larry all the shit that do. Guy tries to fire up the place and yeah its kinda dumb but so what? That guy lives this team. And that guy is at more games then 98% of the people mocking him.

E


Sat Aug 12 2017 3:07 pm EST

The damn disease claims another victim. RIP Bryan...loved listening to press conferences!

rf4l


Sat Aug 12 2017 1:45 pm EST

Senators executive Bryan Murray passes away at 74... Bryan Murray never backed down from any battle he faced during his lifetime in hockey. That was the same approach he took with his cancer diagnosis. The legendary former Ottawa Senators GM and coach, who was diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer in June, 2014, put up a brave fight and refused to back down against long odds but the 74-year-old Murray, a native of Shawville in the Outaouais, has passed away. In a release, the team said Murray died saturday morning, surrounded by his family and friends. “Bryan was one of the greatest men that the game of hockey has ever known and also a great father, mentor and teacher,” said Senators owner Eugene Melnyk. “We extend our sincere condolences to his wife, Geri, daughters, Heide and Brittany and the entire Murray family on their loss.” Murray coached for 18 seasons and 1,239 games in the National Hockey League and the 2016-17 season was his 35th consecutive year working in the league. Murray, who led the Senators to the Stanley Cup final as the club’s head coach in 2006-07, and then took over the job as general manager until he handed over the reins to Pierre Dorion in April, 2016 left a mark on the hockey world and will never be forgotten. The first member of the Senators installed in the Ring of Honour by Ottawa on Jan. 24, this year before a game against the Washington Capitals, Murray spent more than 35 years in the NHL and when his cancer diagnosis became he public he told his story to help save the lives of other. Murray, one of the truly fine characters in the game, sent a message to those who haven’t had a colonoscopy to go to their doctors because there wasn’t a cure for the cancer but there could have been if he’d had the test. “I didn’t have a colonoscopy, which I should have had,” Murray told TSN’s Michael Farber in a feature that aired in November, 2014. “I don’t know why I didn’t. One of the comments that came back to me on a regular basis were, ‘You’re healthy, you’re from a family that hasn’t had any disease whatsoever, we can maybe wait.’ “But that’s also my fault in that I should have demanded (one) or at least asked for it, but like a lot of men do, I put it off.” Murray then made sure he hammered home the importance of the checkup. “A simple colonoscopy, in my case, probably would have solved the problem that I have,” he said. Murray told his wife Geri he wanted to try coaching “for a year” when he took over the WHL’s Regina Pats in 1979 and has never looked back. He was wth the AHL’s Hershey Bears the next season and hired by the NHL’s Washington Capitals in 1981, Murray spent the rest of his career in the league. After a remarkable nine seasons behind the Capitals bench, Murray made stops in Detroit, Florida in Anaheim as a both a GM and coach before coming back to Ottawa in 2005-06. He had success because was a special person who understood the way to get players to rally around him. Murray’s nephew Tim was the GM of the Buffalo Sabres and his brother Terry was a longtime NHL coach. “To get right to the very bottom of Bryan, you have to go back to his roots,” Nashville Predators’ GM David Poile, a close friend who first met Murray in Washington in 1980, told Postmedia in March, 2015 before he was honoured by the NHL GM’s at their annual meeting in Boca Raton. “Bryan, by education, is and was, a teacher. He knows the X’s and O’s of the game of hockey really well and I don’t think there’s anyone who will dispute that. But, first and foremost, he’s a teacher. As a teacher, he really knows his players. He knows how to communicate with them. He knows how to push their buttons and he’s got a great way, a unique, way about him. “Some that don’t know him would say he’s a little sarcastic from time to time. The way he talks to them, he gets to them and he gets them to understand what it takes to play. He gets them motivated. As a teacher, he just loves to be influential on players’ careers and he is and has been for his coaching and managing career.” Despite the cancer diagnosis, Murray remained on the job for two more years while undergoing regular chemotheraphy treatments and moved into the role as senior adviser in the spring. Owner Eugene Melnyk noted Murray should be “inducted in the Hockey Hall of Fame” when he was selected to the Ring of Honour and, hopefully, that happens. “Some of his meetings he was pretty sarcastic with certain things,” winger Chris Neil said in January. “We were in a meeting and he showed video of (Jason Spezza) turning the puck over and he’d be like, ‘This is what not to do’ and the whole room would be laughing. He got his point across and that’s way he got guys to respond. “He’s one of those coaches that always had everybody in his lineup going for him and that’s tough to do.” Murray loved being at the rink every day and especially being around the players. He said in January he was fortunate to be able to close out his days in the NHL with the Senators. “To finish my career in Ottawa and to receive this recognition, is certainly another highlight,” said Murray, who listed his trip to the final with the Senators and the reaction of the city among his most memorable moments. In the interview with Farber in 2014, he noted Murray wasn’t a fan of the tie-breaking shootouts, and the best approach he could take with the disease was to fight as hard as he could for as long as he could. “That’s all you can do, and I hate shootouts,” said Murray. “Let’s go to extra overtime and keep playing like the game that we played (against the Islanders) many years ago and it went to four overtime periods. “Let’s keep it going as long as we can and be as healthy as we can for that time and enjoy what we have as we do it.” Not only will Murray be terribly missed by his wife Geri along with their daughters Heide and Brittany and the couple’s grandchildren, there will be a deep hole in the lives of all the people in the hockey world he touched.

RF73


Sat Aug 12 2017 12:58 pm EST

somewhere I have pics of me and the chief. I was like 8 in those photos.

E


Sat Aug 12 2017 12:38 pm EST

KERFOOT? More lipstick on a pig that has a giant crater at top 3 center..means little..

Hospo


Sat Aug 12 2017 12:18 pm EST

Oops...on the forward lines...

Rf4l


Sat Aug 12 2017 12:17 pm EST

I hope the Rangers sign both Kerfoot and Butcher but not expecting that. Hopefully at least Kerfoot. The D feeder pipe appears to have some potential but after the 2 kids drafted in the 1st round in June there's very little- it needs shoring up for sure.

Rf4l


Sat Aug 12 2017 11:22 am EST

KERFOOT is NHL-bound. He's a hard-working kid who has the right attitude. But if you're signing him and expecting that he's gonna be a star, you're gonna be majorly disappointed. He's not flashy like VESEY is. Plays a very straight forward game. But with that said, he's in the right places at the right time....I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Rangers sign him. According to Cerney, he's been talking with Vesey about going to free agency...BUTCHER is the real prize. But there's almost no way the Rangers can compete for him without giving up a lot...namely a player or cap space to lose STAAL, BEREGLAZOV to the KHL and HOLDEN to whoever wants him. That's a lot to do to sign a kid who could very well end up being GILROY II....my best guess is he signs with Chicago. They've had a massive overhaul of their blue line and with SAAD and SHARP back, they're loading up for another deep run. Either there or Detroit.

tdchi


Sat Aug 12 2017 11:15 am EST

Pal17 - great story man. Always uplifting to hear someone kicked cancer's ass not once, but twice! Man you got me thinking: I hurt just about every time I play hockey now...but I have feeling that's my ebbing youth and the fact I'm skating about 50 pounds over my college weight ;)

tdchi


Sat Aug 12 2017 9:57 am EST

PAL17 - I lived on Avenue T...used to see him walking along T between Nostrand & Gerritsen Aves. following the garbage truck as it did its pickups...Originally a fan favorite at The Garden he was mocked in the later years.

RF73


Sat Aug 12 2017 9:26 am EST

Curious to learn more about Kerfoot. Is he legitimate prospect?

Rf4l


Sat Aug 12 2017 9:13 am EST

Stevielegs: yes, good memory. I'm from Brooklyn and I knew the Chief. He died a while ago, I don't know what from but he was crazy. His name was Bob Comas and he lived on E 28th street and Avenue U. I hated how he got abused at the garden. I also hate how Dancin Larry gets abused but I noticed that young fans call him homo Larry but don't know why they're saying it.

Pal17


Sat Aug 12 2017 8:25 am EST

WE have established how scary thin the NYRs are at the center position.. I am still not even sold on Hayes as being a #3 center, let alone a #2 after his disappearing act in the playoffs.. Z-bad seems like a solid #2 but will never be a true #1 in my eyes and then you have Desjdesdrins (sp) whom MTL dumped on EDM while fighting for playoff slot and he didnt show much to help EDM.. with that stated, injuries happen and I can't believe the NYRs would rely on an 18YO kid to fill the gaps during a long grinding 80 game season.. so where does that leave Gorton? Can he sign an inexpensive winger and move Miller to 3rd center? Is that the right move given Miller is not strong defensively and playing him at wing hides that deficiency?? Sign ALex Kerfoot and slot him next to Vesey and hope that he can handle the rigors of the NHL at his size?? I realize rebuilding on the fly takes time... I am just perplexed what the next step will be for Gorton...

schneidw


Sat Aug 12 2017 8:00 am EST

Pal are you originally from Brooklyn or is my sometimezer kicking in ? Seem to remember you saying a long time ago you used to see the chief running around your neighborhood. He was a nyr fan martyr.

Stevielegs


Fri Aug 11 2017 11:25 pm EST

Thanks everyone & Lets go Rangers!

Pal17


Fri Aug 11 2017 10:11 pm EST

Rhet...I heard the Devils are in the mix.

Rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 9:48 pm EST

....Or a Marc Staal jersey. Though, they should have paid you to take it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 11 2017 9:43 pm EST

Bob....shoulda bought a Lundqvist jersey!!!

Rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 8:23 pm EST

DoubleN---went to the sale at MSG today. Was going to buy a Kreider jersey, but after buying a Stepan jersey and then seeing him traded, my son told me not to get #20 because we don't want hom to be traded. Was quite a big sale though.

Bob


Fri Aug 11 2017 8:10 pm EST

RF4L... Most likely not to us. What a difference a few months make. He'd have a ton of competition if he came here. I think he'll go somewhere where he has a more immediate path to the NHL. Pittsburgh, maybe?

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 11 2017 7:45 pm EST

Who's signing Will Butcher?

Rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 7:42 pm EST

schneidw.... You are the only person mentioning unrealistic expectations. He's a former 5th Round pick after-all. That said, He had tremendous chemistry with Vesey at Harvard and really stepped it up as a player after Vesey left. You can never have enough center depth. Oh yeah, the 2nd best reason to sign him is that it sticks it to the Devils :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 11 2017 7:21 pm EST

ALex Kerfoot: 5-10 and 175lbs. slowish skater. Only scored 4 goals the previous year. I am thinking he is not the key addition to NYRs center depth some of us making him out to be... I would still sign him but with realistic expectations...

schneidw


Fri Aug 11 2017 7:17 pm EST

http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/mark-messier-most-hated-canucks-player

schneidw


Fri Aug 11 2017 5:08 pm EST

And to give hope, let me say that my best friend's wife was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer 35 years ago (when they didn't have any technology and meds like they do today) and remains remission-free. Hang in there!

Ranger47


Fri Aug 11 2017 4:48 pm EST

Pal- Thanks for sharing, I am blessed with being healthy myself and so has everyone around me been. But its only a matter of time before it hits, don't know how I will react. If there is a way to prepare. But your story was inspiring.

Ola


Fri Aug 11 2017 3:45 pm EST

Amazing story Pal stay well

tlats


Fri Aug 11 2017 3:25 pm EST

HOSPO: but you've thrown the scenario that would change things for me. That is if the New York Rangers were limping down the line and needed to look to the future only. But as putrid as they are down the middle I'm not writing anything off in august. There is always things you don't see down the road right now. Maybe they're fine at center. Doubt it, but maybe.

E


Fri Aug 11 2017 3:16 pm EST

RF4L: It used to be with these blowout sales, the most stuff was the leftover playoff crap and players no longer on the team, but this sale had the best stuff I have seen in years. I think I saw a few Stepan T-shirts.

DOUBLEN


Fri Aug 11 2017 2:55 pm EST

E - Why? Because you are never gonna win in the POs with today's Rick Nash..Never..Fot all the money he is draining from the cap, now he's only a solid 2nd liner/20 goal scorer who comes up light in the POs where it counts..and the POs are all that matter..not being a responsible player during the regular season race for the 4th-8th spot..Money aside, yeah, he's not a bad player to have but if I can deal him for somebody cheaper and who might be able to help this team in the POs more, I'd do it....Not likely though..But, if the Rangers stay with the clusterfuck at C they have now, maybe he can be dealt at the deadline in a likely lost season..

Hospo


Fri Aug 11 2017 2:49 pm EST

Would Edmonton ever consider trading Drai if extension impasse gets ugly- for a stud D + forwards/prospects/pick. Maybe package Skjei + Miller/ Zucc/pick or an MCD+ package?

puckyou


Fri Aug 11 2017 2:36 pm EST

MF: just an observation but why are you always on about moving Nash? He has one year left and he is a huge part of this team. He is still the most flexible asset on the team. And he brings it every night. He is a back checking machine. He can kill penalties and he can go hard to the net. With his salary expiring unless I see a great return for now. As in roster players I am not wanting him off the roster. In fact, if he is steady and productive this season as he usually is I'm hoping he re-signs.

E


Fri Aug 11 2017 2:27 pm EST

2N: How much for the Stepan jerseys!???

rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 1:19 pm EST

PSA: If none of you care that the NHL is going from Reebok to Addidas..big blowout sale at MSG. Jersey's are $75; lot's of T-shirts and long sleeve shirts from $10-$25. Sale is today till 6pm and then tomorrow 11a-6p.

DOUBLEN


Fri Aug 11 2017 12:06 pm EST

Wow. PAL, stay strong and keep fighting! Hopefully the continued clueless jackassery here can keep you in good spirits!

Vic


Fri Aug 11 2017 11:48 am EST

Sniff, sniff, sniff.... I smell Kerfoot in the air .....PAL... Keep the faith, brother.

Rhet0ric


Fri Aug 11 2017 11:29 am EST

Pal: Pretty amazing story - stay healthy my friend!

rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 11:29 am EST

You can dream on about prying Dylan Larkin away from the Wings. One of their building blocks. You want him, start with Skjei and add Andersson. Not gonna happen.

rf4l


Fri Aug 11 2017 10:33 am EST

E: We may have to give up a young prospect currently on the roster to lure a guy like Larkin from the Wings.... Staring at our (https://capfriendly.com/teams/rangers) cap-friendly page Rick Nash & his $7.8 mill hit sit at the top of the heap... We move Nash, we open trade options as we can then eat salary as an enticement to engage another team into trade... Regarding Detroit, there is plenty written that they will NOT carry both Howard and Mrazek into the season, and that trade will probably be structured to be Cap Compliant.... jmon

mf


Fri Aug 11 2017 10:26 am EST

Pal17: Very glad to hear you're doing well, all the best....

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 11:35 pm EST

All this cancer talk on the wall I feel the need to post. I got Hairy Cell Leukemia at 20 yrs old in 1981. Struggled for a few years, then I was fine for over 20 years (Thank you Dr. Ellinger Berman MSKCC) . 2005 I was playing in a Men's league in Red Bank NJ experiencing bad knee pain. Turned out to be a secondary cancer Osteosarcoma of the Right Distal Femur. I had a very tough time for years and boy was the Wall a great place for me to go to get my mind off things. I still have my leg Thanks to Doctors Healey and Boland at MSKCC. The Leukemia is back but it's being treated. Organic foods and Supplements would not have worked on the genetic mutation that I have. Hockey may have saved my life, I may not have caught it if I wasn't skating and it would have spread.

Pal17


Thu Aug 10 2017 11:27 pm EST

I saw Dylan Larkin play live. I'd love to have that guy. That stated, he is part of Detroits future and I cannot see them interested in moving him.

E


Thu Aug 10 2017 10:58 pm EST

Sam Rosen with a nice play by play call tonight during the Chicago Bears game.......Mitch Trubisky hit Victor Cruz with a TD.....

tradestar28


Thu Aug 10 2017 8:19 pm EST

Detroit may trade Howard or Mrazek and they can breathe a little easier cap wise. I guess Larkin is staying with the Wings....

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 7:54 pm EST

One way the Rangers could create significant cap space which could lead to trade possibilities (if we then took on salary) is if we trade Rick Nash..... I believe that Nash has to provide a list of 10 teams he'd accept to be traded to and said that he would "not" accept a trade to any Canadian teams.... Trade Nash and you have $10,850,556 in available cap.... I'd gladly help out a cap strapped team if it meant getting a key player...... Anyone here care to chime Dylan Larkin ??? He's one of the fastest guys in the league, would we want him & would the Red Wings trade him if we rid them of some of their dead weight?

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 6:18 pm EST

Marc Staal straight up for Tyler Bozak is a pretty bad rumor. If we're making that trade, I can't imagine it would be for anything less than us eating half his money and sending TO a first round pick. Add to it that TO needs to shed money and not add. They'd be taking on another 3 years of Staal's contract, compared with a Bozak deal that ends after this current season. I Just don't see it as a fit ....TD.... I can't go down the rabbit hole with you on this one. Staal has lost a step (not a 'pan' just a step), has a really bad, persistent eye injury and concussion problems to boot. Top 4 on bad teams maybe, but that's about it. With all he has working against him, I'm surprised he plays as well as he does. JMO, natch.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 10 2017 6:05 pm EST

I posted it schneidw when I heard it on the radio but I prefaced that post by stating it was a rumour.

rf4l


Thu Aug 10 2017 5:43 pm EST

STAAL: Who is making up that false rumors... Staal is untradeable, he looks slow and old and after he suffered yet another concussion last year, he never recovered... I am a huge fan but I think/hope he retires after this year for both his and the NYRs sake... LTIR like Pronger so that he gets his salary still but it doesnt count against the cap....

schneidw


Thu Aug 10 2017 5:27 pm EST

TD Never thought about the Rangers eating some salary. Yeah, that would make it more palatable for the Leafs, although if so, it's Bozek and a pick/prospect for sure. It'll still leave the Leafs in a cap bind so JVR would likely be the next to go. I think Staal would do well as a Leaf - pair him with Gardiner or Reilly and he can concentrate on defense. Plus IMO Babcock is a superior coach to AV and I think would be a great help to Staal's game. We'll see if it happens but it's definitely got some commons sense feel to it, unlike a lot of rumours.

rf4l


Thu Aug 10 2017 4:55 pm EST

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docjay


Thu Aug 10 2017 2:17 pm EST

I gotta be honest: I can see WHY Toronto would want STAAL...and I can see WHY he'd want to go there...but I can't see HOW it'd ever happen. The Leaf's D right now is just UUUU-GGGLY...RIELLY, ZAITSEV and GARDINER are all solid, two-way D-men...but none of them will ever win as much as a vote for the Norris...the three or four after? Ugh...The new Swede they drafted will be in the league within a couple years and he'll help...but it's going to be rough going for the Leafs until they get a strong defensive presence back there...I mean, when the rumor about HOLDEN going there was floated...He's probably an upgrade over their bottom three...especially HAINSEY, who is beyond done...Regardless of how much and how often he is maligned by Ranger fans, Staal is a top-six defender...and on a lot of teams, a top four defender...He would be on Toronto...If the Rangers were willing to eat...say...$1 million from his salary, I could see them doing Staal-for-BOZAK straight up...I think with Staal, though he's definitely not what he once was, a lot of the negative attention he drew was from getting hung out to dry by Holden time and again...Remember: Holden was grabbed as a 6th/7th defenseman...and ended up in the top four...and with more points than he's ever scored in his career...why? Because Staal gave him rein to jump into the play...something he never had on the Avalanche or Jackets...But alas...they signed Hainsey as their leftside bottom pairing...and I can't see a situation where they move Gardiner or Reilly to import Staal...but who knows?

tdchi


Thu Aug 10 2017 2:14 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-ryan-mcdonagh-said-about-the-rangers-offseason/247567688

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 2:12 pm EST

Transstar's back in the slick, woohoo

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 2:00 pm EST

Irving tradestar queen has dragged back ....wants to give you a carvel cone ....guess that's what the trade means....

stevielegs


Thu Aug 10 2017 1:47 pm EST

stevie.....its okay buddy.....your secret is safe with the Wall ......no need to drag me into it (pun intended)

tradestar28


Thu Aug 10 2017 1:30 pm EST

StLegs: Some basic research shows that in addition to the clinical approach, changing your diet is a must to increase your chances of beating cancer... Bringing up the PH of the body (above 7.365) and eliminating sugars seems to be as good a starting place as any.. There are certain water filters recommended, exercise is also part of my friends regiment.... Unfortunately, too many hospitals are dispensing "high protein drinks" like Ensure to the patients, which are loaded with grams of sugar.... Lots of conflicting data out there, its a nasty disease......... It's much easier to kick you ass on a Ranger Fan web-site, Kinky-boots! Man does that shoe ever fit you! ha ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 10:57 am EST

Irving interesting story on your best friends brother . Not many survive that long . I never heard of it going into remission. A friend of mine his mom survived for 3 years . they wanted to put his story in a medical journal. Most are gone in 6 months or less..... but my big question to you is how much does your best friend charge you to be that ? .... lol....Moof on with your mooferator schemes....I think trade star wants to be with you.... that's probably why he projects his wrong opinion.... just throwing some cow pie...

Stevielegs


Thu Aug 10 2017 10:13 am EST

Marc Staal willing to waive his NTC? Make it happen guys, you just may awaken Rhet..... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/8/10/16117660/thoughts-on-thursday-the-leadership-core-sophomore-slumps-and-expectations

mf


Thu Aug 10 2017 8:39 am EST

Wild. Yeah could be. Or he'll gamble the Rangers buy him out so he's free to go anywhere ala Girardi.

Rf4l


Thu Aug 10 2017 8:11 am EST

RF4L: in regards to Staal waiving for the leafs....I would think next offseason might be that time. I think he has already crossed the line of deciding he wanted to stay in NYC I can't imagine he would suddenly switch....especially with a family to worry about. Now if the Leafs keep their upward climb this season and the Rangers stay the same or slump a little he might see the opportunity there being better....but I think it will be next summer at the earliest. No real evidence to use for that, but that's my gut feeling.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 9 2017 10:32 pm EST

And I could see Staal waiving his NMC to play in Toronto. He's an Ontario boy and for many, the ultimate Canadian hockey player experience is being a Leaf, if the Leafs are good. If the path the Leafs are on now is for real, it's going to be unbelievable for those wearing the uniform.

rf4l


Wed Aug 9 2017 10:28 pm EST

And on another note, heard an interesting rumour today: Marc Staal for Bozek and a pick/prospect. If there's any truth to it then the Leafs also have to move JVR to free up the cap space.

rf4l


Wed Aug 9 2017 5:00 pm EST

My best friends older brother is dealing with Pancreatic Cancer, here is what is working. He has been following & undergoing the clinical approach of Chemo/radiation, AND, he has taken an holistical approach to everything he eats. The man buys only organically grown produce, eliminated sugars, including foods that contain sugars like tomato, he's stays away from red meat, alcohol, fruits..He installed water filters in his home and carries his filtered water with him during the day. He formulates his own juices (I believe that Kale and Lemon is working and a favorite) and he has burned up many a juicing machine, he uses commercial models now.. He juices for 3-4 days at a clip as it is very time consuming & costly but its a life or death struggle. He was diagnosed with stage 4 Pancreatic Cancer 4-5 years ago with a cancer marker of approx 5000, and has gotten his markers down to being classified as, "in remission." This is one nasty effin disease and everyone and their illness is individual, but some are winning the battle so there is hope..... You folks here are awesome... thank you

mf


Wed Aug 9 2017 3:19 pm EST

As a very wealthy NorCal VC once explained to me: money can't buy you health and happiness but it helps both. But what money can buy is fun. Lots of fun.

E


Wed Aug 9 2017 2:51 pm EST

Sorry...retired 9 months ago.

rf4l


Wed Aug 9 2017 2:50 pm EST

E/TD: Yeah for sure that despicable disease touches everyone, either directly (themselves or immediate family) or someone they know well. Truly is frustrating and sad and downright wrong. My buddy retired 9 months - sold his business for millions (you'd never know he's rich tho - salt of the earth Italian dude who embraces everyone). Health cannot be bought. It's times like that where those are healthy need to remember that - life truly is fleeting.

rf4l


Wed Aug 9 2017 2:21 pm EST

Lost my grandfather to colon cancer. His father and his father's father too. Was a time when the male gene in my family carried with it a life expectancy of no more than 70 years, max. My father, fortunately enough, is now bucking that trend. Good friend's wife died of breast cancer last year(she was 33). Two other good friends had their wives ravaged by the disease too --both in their early 30s and both making successful, but painful recoveries...Another buddy from college had his 8-year-old daughter check into a bout with brain cancer...she has fortunately survived and appears to be fine now...but talk about an eye-opener....The one hockey tournament I look forward to is one against cancer, where we play with cancer survivors. Just this past tourney, I signed up to be a bone marrow donor...couldn't NOT sign up knowing that it was a donor that saved some of these kids playing with us...I say all this because the one thing that confounds me every time I watch someone enter a battle with cancer is why the fuck do we still have to go through this? Why the fuck doesn't anyone other than the people most impacted by cancer give a shit about the disease? If we as a society valued life more than greed, the perhaps we'd be sitting here saying 'oh Eddie O. will be back in the booth in a couple of weeks' and not what I am personally thinking, which is this guy is on borrowed time...This is a disease we have the advances to smite. And yet we're more concerned about building bombs to kill each other than curing it. There's your sobering thought for the day...

tdchi


Wed Aug 9 2017 1:07 pm EST

RF: my best mate, best man at my wedding was diagnosed with a rare aggressive form of stomach cancer. It quickly spread to his esophagus and pinched it off to the point that not even fluid could pass. They put him on hospice and a week later he was gone. It was a gory and painful run. Horrible to watch. Cancer is insidious. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Hopefully, Eddie O pulls thru because it takes too many people.

E


Wed Aug 9 2017 7:45 am EST

Sorry non-hockey post but Eddie O's cancer...a very good friend of mine lost his 22 year old daughter to leukemia 6 years ago and now just learned his wife has brain cancer. God dammit this world really sucks sometimes.

rf4l


Wed Aug 9 2017 5:24 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/c-290616432

Stevielegs


Tue Aug 8 2017 7:09 pm EST

You're in our prayers, Eddie. Good luck!

Ranger47


Tue Aug 8 2017 5:57 pm EST

Heave - ho EDDIE O !

Stevielegs


Tue Aug 8 2017 5:40 pm EST

(All the best to you Eddie)...Blackhawks analyst Eddie Olczyk announces he has colon cancer... Blackhawks and NBC national hockey analyst Eddie Olczyk said he has been diagnosed with colon cancer. Olczyk, 50, said in a statement released by the Hawks that he is undergoing treatment for the disease and hopes to be back in the broadcast booth soon. "I have been working with outstanding health care professionals and expect to be back in the broadcast booth after I complete my treatment," Olczyk said in the statement. "Having the support and encouragement from my family, the Chicago Blackhawks organization, NBC Sports and all my friends and fans means the world to me and will give me continued strength to beat this. My family and I appreciate privacy during this time as we focus our attention on my treatments." Hawks team physicain Dr. Michael Terry said in a statement that Olczyk recently had surgery to remove a tumor and will undergo chemotherapy to treat the cancer. Terry did not put a timetable on Olczyk's recovery but said: "We look forward to his return to good health after the completion of his treatment." NBC sports exectuive producer Sam Flood said Olczyk would not begin the season broadcasting games for the network alongside partners Doc Emrick and Pierre McGuire. “On behalf of everyone at NBC Sports, we wish Eddie and his family all the best as they cope with this health issue," Flood said. "Our top priority is for Edzo to get healthy, so he won’t be joining us at the beginning of the season. We’ll have information on how we’ll staff those games soon. But most of all, we’re looking forward to the day when Edzo comes off IR, and rejoins Doc and Pierre to call the great game of hockey.” Olczyk has been the analyst on Hawks games alongside play-by-play partner Pat Foley since the 2006-07 season. Before his career in the booth, Olczyk was Sidney Crosby's first NHL head coach, serving parts of two seasons behind the bench for the Penguins after a decorated career in the NHL, including multiple seasons with the Hawks. Olczyk, a native of Chicago, was the third overall pick in the 1984 entry draft and played in the NHL from 1984 through the 1999-00 season. He played parts of five seasons with the Blackhawks and started and ended his NHL career in Chicago. He tallied 342 goals and 452 assists in 1,031 NHL games. He became a Stanley Cup champion with the Rangers in 1994. He was inducted into the U.S. Hockey Hall of Fame in 2012. “Eddie Olczyk is a treasured member of the Chicago Blackhawks family and we will be supportive of him as he fights this disease,” President John McDonough said. “We encourage our fans to keep him in their thoughts as we all look forward to having him back in good health as soon as possible.”

RF73


Tue Aug 8 2017 4:22 pm EST

Tdchi- In a sense I think Lias is a mix of Sundstrom and Alfredsson. He got that stubbornness that Alfie had, Sunny was a bit of a sunshine player. Lias is more of a leader. Very strong hands and strong on the puck. But he got the defensive awareness Sunny had. He doesn't have the shot Alfie had, yet at least. Another thing to remember with Lias is that his dad basically was the MSL of the SHL. People talk about him not being that flashy, genes shouldn't be trusted too much but his dad was a 5'9 flash and dash forward. Very skilled. Lias is also showing a lot of skill.

Ola


Tue Aug 8 2017 3:20 pm EST

It's a tad ironic but Andersson IMO right now compares most favourably to Stepan if one must compare him to a Ranger, current or past. That said, he appears to be a much better skater and handles the puck better than Stepan. And assuming he makes the club next fall (vs this year) for years 1 to 3 he'll be like 1/6 of what Stepan would have cost had that trade not taken place. It's always a risk when you trade a known commodity a draft pick/18 year old kid but for me it remains an astute trade given Stepan's contract, his play (which wasn't bad but not deserving of that contract), the team's compromised feeder system and perhaps most importantly, the realization that despite his contributions over the past few years, no cup was won (and in the past 2 seasons, the team has regressed from where it was). How it ends plays out over time remains to be seen of course, but organizationally, it was time for something like this to happen.

rf4l


Tue Aug 8 2017 3:05 pm EST

I made the ANDERSSON-MALHOTRA analogy a while back, and in retrospect, I don't necessarily think it was a fair one...Andersson has a lot more skill than St. Manny did in juniors and at 18, is already playing at a higher level internationally...I think maybe a more fitting comparison would be to Nik SUNDSTROM, who was playing really well on the international scene before and after he was drafted...and was a guy who really could have gone either way...we shall see...but I am far less worried about Andersson now after watching him play a bit...and granted the WJSS wasn't exactly great hockey...the goaltending was particularly suspect...and everyone in the tourney looked a bit rusty...but he fared very well against three of the best teams that will be attending the WJCs four short months.

tdchi


Tue Aug 8 2017 2:18 pm EST

SCHNEID: I think you're suffering from prospect PTSD. We will see. Bottom line to it is this: none of these guys are likely going to help the New York Rangers for a few seasons. Maybe more. But you want your 1's and 2's to turn into roster players for sure. If they turn into top-6 talent than great. Anderson in particular seems to be showing the skill and pedigree. What does that mean? If he is a player than the New York Rangers will give him a nice long runway to touch down on. One area that I think has improved greatly over the last 7-10 seasons is player development. They've done a good combo with scouting, NCAA snags, good trades that produced a lot of really solid depth. They do need to start generating more top-6 guys up front but a lot of teams can say the same.

E


Tue Aug 8 2017 1:01 pm EST

re: HALVERSIEVE - Oy. The years have not been kind to this pick. And if hindsight is 20-20, the Rangers would have been MUCH better served throwing in the third rounder they frittered away on IVERSON and moved up...there were some GOOD picks at the top of that round, but the pool dropped off quick...at the time, Halverson was a smart pick, though they probably could have had him where they grabbed Iverson, who was, more or less, a stupid pick...but I digress...Halversieve is going to have his hands full. Chances he becomes the Rangers backup of the future? Slim to none, I'd say. He couldn't do any better than HELLBERG, who was a waste of time...and that's putting it nicely...But who knows? Right now, it's between him, Chris NELL, who also got lit up in a limited stretch last year, and this Russian, GEORGIYEV...Never seen Nell play and only see a very little of the Russian...but let's say the bar is pretty low...but who knows? The Pack D will be a lot more solid this year than last...so maybe Halverson can work with Allaire and improve...but man, last year, he was letting in beach balls. And if it were something new with him, I'd blame it on the Pack's awful D....but you look at his career stats and it seems more of the norm than anything else...the other two have very good save percentages despite playing for teams that weren't that great...Were I to guess, I'd say Nell ends up in the ECHL and Georgiyev and Halversieve platoon until one is the clear starter...but Halverson in the NHL? I can't see that happening any time soon...One speck of bright news: The Rangers saw fit to cut SKAPSKI...so that right there at least tells you Halverson is ahead of him...

tdchi


Tue Aug 8 2017 12:44 pm EST

Rf4l - maybe. But the scars of the McIlraths/Cherepanovs/Montoyas/Jessimans/Blackburns/Brendls/Cherneskis run deep.

limbo


Tue Aug 8 2017 10:28 am EST

Hospo: I get your sense of caution (pessimism?) but disagree that for Chytil and Andersson the chances of them sucking equals the chances of them beginning strong NHL players.

rf4l


Tue Aug 8 2017 9:56 am EST

docjay - or Shityl will be the next Brendl..and Andersson will be Jasper Fast at center (not horrible)...and Fontaine will be who the hell knows what...Both outcomes are just as likely...Just watch them grow, keep expectations even and have patience...

Hospo


Tue Aug 8 2017 8:39 am EST

schneidw.........I don't think Halverson is ever gonna make it to be an NHL goalie ! But, I could be wrong.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Aug 8 2017 7:20 am EST

and mika z will sit comfortably in the 3 spot

docjay


Tue Aug 8 2017 7:19 am EST

filip chytil will become a true 1 center lias anderson will slot in eventually at 2 and gabriel fontaine will be a 4.all roughly in the next 3 years

docjay


Tue Aug 8 2017 6:55 am EST

Ola: Agreed on the slagging of Andersson that's going on here. Am I predicting a true number 1 centre? No. Am I predicting Stepan II as the best upside? No. I am not predicting anything yet other than he looks like a sure-fire NHLer. What he eventually develops into is impossible to say one way or another at this point.

rf4l


Tue Aug 8 2017 6:52 am EST

schneidw: If Halverson plays this year like he did last year, he'll be lucky to the backup in the EHL.

rf4l


Tue Aug 8 2017 3:49 am EST

One thing that definitely can be debunked is that Lias Andersson has low potential. Potential in itself is a messy subject, reading the scouting reports from a 1st round, I wonder how accurate they are. Many are very overblown. But Andersson does not have lower potential than anyone picked after him, if anything, he is a pretty flashy high potential pick. I like Mittlestads extreme speed and skill, but I like Andersson more than Pettersson and everyone else drafted after him that I've seen (Suzuki and co), and think that Andersson is tied with or even has an edge on Cody Glass.

Ola


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:38 pm EST

so will Brandon Halverson be given a shot to make teh NYRs as a backup goalie???

schneidw


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:30 pm EST

J Tavares... WHY are so many Wallsters ruling out JT signing with the NYRs as a UFA??? Look at the last few NYR signings (Shatterkirk, Vesey, Hayes, Plionk etc) and you will see that players chose the NYRs over the rest of the NHL becasues they see a high level organization, Broadway, a great team chemistry and leadership that is being sustained while Gorton conduct a reset on the fly.... whatever loyalty JT has to the NYI will be jaded by the uncertainty of the team's future.. but what we do know is Nash contract is coming off the books, Tavares loves living in NYC, and the NYRs are a relatively young team with a chance to win the Cup... so I don't believe the NYRs have any less of a chance to sign him then Tampa, Toronto etc...

schneidw


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:20 pm EST

TDICHI: be patient.. no rushing Andersson to the NHL... silly talk! just wait and let him develop for 2 years... as far as Stepan, yes its a "step" back for 2 years but the reality is his play was regressing, he was getting slower by the day, he produced minimal offense and his salary was horrid... it was a salary dump.. LOUD and CLEAR... not going to get much back in return... just the way it is under the salary cap ...

schneidw


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:12 pm EST

HOSPO & E: It hurts me to type this but when I read the scouting reports on Anderrson... I feel like its Manny Malhottra reprise... not sure if thats a fair comparison... I would prefer to think Rob Brind'aMour myself (ignoring his obvious steroid enhancements).. anyways, I did read and hear that the NYRs #1 choice at the draft was a Swede that the Canucks grabbed before them at I think #5 named Peterssen... time will tell!!!!! Just nice to have #1 draft pick to develop for once...

schneidw


Mon Aug 7 2017 7:22 pm EST

HOSPO: I had communications with Woodlief during that draft. He claimed that if the New York Rangers didn't take him, LA was going to right after. But given the number of impact players in the draft and the lack of the New York Rangers depth they should've gone with a safer pick. I don't put oodles of faith in Woodlief. After all, he's like a weatherman. Accuracy is only assured when there is a hurricane an hour from the beach. But Woodlief does walk the floor during the draft and in the past he's been amicable when it comes to answering questions although he can be snarky. My bottom line with Anderson is that I think there is a skill set to like there. Will he be a 50-point guy? Maybe that's a reach.

E


Mon Aug 7 2017 5:44 pm EST

E - The last time I took anything from Kyle Woodlief as meaningful was when he was slobering all over Hugh JESSIMAN and adding fuel to my moronic fire for the guy..Just a bozo turned "prospect scout"..like most of them....AS for ANdersson...Who knows?..COuld be one of those that does everything well and makes him a complete Top 6 player in the NHL..or a player that doiesn;'t do the most important things well enough at the top level and turns into a decent responsible bottom 6 NHLer...Time will tell..And those were the two fiffernt impressions that I g ot from watching him in a grand total of 3 games (1 good, 1 OK, 1 invisible)...All I know is he does nothing for the mess at C this year..

Hospo


Mon Aug 7 2017 5:27 pm EST

I sent an email to Kyle Woodleif for an opinion on Anderson. "My reviews of him are all over the internet but I like him. Complete player. Fits NYs mold perfectly. I don't know what his upside is but he can go a lot of ways. He could just be a checking center but he has many of the things you want to see top centers have. Not an easy guy to play against. Hope that clarifies. And buy my report ;)"

E


Mon Aug 7 2017 5:17 pm EST

David FARRANCE, another Preds' prospect was drafted in the third round this year...had a sweet end-to-end goal.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 5:16 pm EST

Well the flipside is that some of the guys who were shining in that tourney were, just as you say, midling picks...Like I said...Adam FOX was an absolute offensive machine...and the fact he's already ripped up the NCAA as a freshman leaves me to believe he's the real deal...he was selected just a few picks ahead of DAY...Same with Joey ANDERSON...Patrick Harper had a good tourney too...selected in the fifth round...Not to say the US didn't have it's share of first rounders...but the returning guys from the 2016 draft...some look to be real finds.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 4:02 pm EST

Disappointed but not surprised to hear about the Rangers 2 US prospects. That's what you get with low picks - meddling prospects. Thank goodness Gorton is not following Nob for Life's blueprint on how to badly compromise an organization's feeder system.

Rf4l


Mon Aug 7 2017 3:34 pm EST

Incidentally...Both Rangers' US prospects were scratched in the final game against Canada. In watching them over the tourney, I'd say GETTINGER made a pretty good case to make the team, probably will fall short...DAY, OTOH, who I thought to be a lock, probably called his spot on the team into question. He didn't have a very good tourney...and other defenseman did some pretty slick stuff...namely, this small defender drafted by Calgary: Adam FOX. The guy looks like he'll be an absolute steal for the Flames...just a difference maker during the entire tourney...he was taken before Day in the third round incidentally...Joey ANDERSON, a guy the Devils took before Day, also had a very impressive tournament. He's at St. Cloud this coming year, but could be an impact player very shortly...Casey MITTLESTADT is another to be watched...he was the guy taken after Andersson. And he's a legit talent too.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 3:24 pm EST

re: ANDERSSON - Man, I still don't like the STEPAN trade...but if this kid can play at the level he was during the WJSS...And if DeANGELO really is the offensive wunderkind some of the pundits out there are saying he is...this could be a very good trade for both teams...I just don't know how well Andersson will transition to the NHL game...it does look like we got a Stepan-like player who is better at faceoffs and has wheels...which would be awesome for the Rangers...but how long until he becomes that player? Right now, I see the Yotes as the clear winner in this deal, because I think the impact Step and Raanta will have on that team will be instantly apparent...but if Andersson can legitimately make the Rangers out of camp...and by 'legitimately make,' I mean not because of the void they have in the middle now...well, he could make Gorton seem like a mighty savvy guy...I was against the trade and was just short of dumbfounded when Andersson, who was slated to go mid-round, was drafted at seven...but this tournament and the word that another team either immediately after or closely following the Rangers had their eye on him...well that's all good news...As much as I hate to admit this, the Stepan deal could turn out to be a winner for both teams.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 3:14 pm EST

HOLTBY is, in my estimation, THE most overrated goalie in the NHL. Maybe in history. The guy is good, sure. But top 10 in the league good? I knock on THE-PRICE-IS-WRONG-BITCH being overrated, but he doesn't hold a candle to the lovefest I hear/read about Holtby every year...another one who hasn't done squat in his career...and on a team that should have hoisted the cup last year...In fact, I blame Holtby for letting Shitsburgh win back-to-backs. Hank on Washington and they have at least one...maybe two cups by now.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 2:33 pm EST

KIS - I think The King's game is slowly going down, especially the consistency, yet he is probably still on the fringes of being a goalie the Rangers can win the Cup with....But here enters the stupidity of GORTON..You have a goalie you can win the Cup with NOW, you are paying him a King's Ransom every year yet you leave a Giant Crater in the middle and entrust it to ZBAD and the enigmatic Hayes...The King is only gonna get worse and by next year or the year after won't be thatgoalie anymore..ALl about timing.....and I understand Gorton can still fix the center spot for the near term

Hospo


Mon Aug 7 2017 2:23 pm EST

TD: I can tell you what happened to Price last spring. His team got bashed out of their own building. They were completely unprepared for how physical the New York Rangers were. They found themselves buried in their zone. They found the New York Rangers all over his crease and it's important to remember two three things 1. The Rangers are one of the fastest teams in the NHL. 2. They are collectively big and mean on the wings. 3. They had intended to rough up and get under the skin of the more passive New York Rangers. All failed miserably. And frankly I was surprised at the beating they put on them. So I don't put it all on Price. Ultimately victory or defeat falls to the goalie but I don't think that Habs team had any idea that they were going to get jumped and they had no answer. Unlike Ottawa who decided that suffocating the life out of whoever they played would be all the difference. And they made Anderson look like Patrick Broduer-Roy.

E


Mon Aug 7 2017 2:20 pm EST

Not a fan of holtby or bobo. Bobo is up and down and his game has progressed because of the system. Sucks when the game become important. Holtby plays for a very good team. The Prince is not better.

kis


Mon Aug 7 2017 2:01 pm EST

And the lovefest for PRICE continues. Talk about overrated goalies...What happened to Price last spring? What was the excuse for Montreal? Because last I checked, Price hasn't won that team jack shit other than a bunch of regular season games. If he was so much better than Hank, how come it wasn't Montreal advancing to the semi finals....I agree, the Rangers need a strong backup and I certainly have my concerns about PAVELEC...But Hank? Nope. Not at all.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 1:51 pm EST

E - Totally disagree. What slipped last year was less Hank and more the Ranger D. I can't understate how bad the defense was last year, even with McDONAGH and SKJEI. When Steve KAMPFER and Adam CLENDENING are getting minutes, you have a serious problem...and really, I can recall so many times where the D just let Hank out to dry...just non-existent is still one of the best goalies in the league and I shutter to think what the Rangers would have looked like with some of those other goalies they had ranked higher than him in net. He's not stealing games like he was years ago, but why should he have to? If the Rangers' D wasn't so dysfunctional, Hank wouldn't have faced nearly as many high-quality chances as he did last year...can't tell you how many times I watched STAAL or GIRARDI or KLEIN used as a pylon...or HOLDEN pinch at the wrong time, causing a turnover...The fact the Rangers made it to the playoffs period is testament to how good Hank was last year.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 1:48 pm EST

E: I agree with you - he's no longer top 5. But, the good news is that he's still good enough for us to possibly win a Cup. What we'll need is something happens which hasn't yet - he gets into a zone at the right time of the POs like he has at times in the season in the past.

Ranger47


Mon Aug 7 2017 1:26 pm EST

I disagree. The list was "right now" and I don't think that Lundqvist is a top-5 goalie in the NHL any longer. His game last season was a big setback. Well earned. You could make an argument that Martin Jones is now better. Lists are purely stupid anyway. However, you may jumble the order somewhat but I don't see how Lundqvist could slide in ahead of Bobrovsky, Price, Holtby, or Murray. These guys all played at a higher level and/or backstopped a B2B cup winner. In an offseason of thinking optimistically this is the first time I've been thinking that there are genuine concerns about the goaltending on this team. I'm concerned that Lundqvist will continue to slide as age seems to be affecting him, and I have no idea what they see in Pavelec. But he wasn't a world beater before, do they see a late bloomer like Dubnyk in him? Seriously doubt that. I know the stars didn't align but I am really worried that there will not be that safety net of Cam or Raanta there. And thats a concern that we haven't thought about in almost 10-years.

E


Mon Aug 7 2017 12:23 pm EST

NHL network ranks the top 10 goalies. Hank is at 8 behind the prince. Price #1. I don't agree. I think Hank is around 4 maybe 5

kis


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:17 am EST

Oops...the link: https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Men/National/2017-18/sochi-hockey-open/stats/team-rosters?teamid=533

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 10:17 am EST

If y'all want a trip down memory lane, check out this roster of scrubs Canada is pulling together for the Olympics...just a few highlights...Former Rangers Dan PAILLE and the WOJ are on it...not sure how WOLSKI is Canadian...but whatever...So I guess if you're in juniors, there's no playing in the Olympics....which seems a bit strange to me...Team Canada is absolutely craptacular...And the Russian team in this tourney isn't much better...strange as it may sound, the U.S., if they pull from the college ranks, could actually have a pretty strong team. The NCAA wasn't even half as strong as it is now when the Olympics last employed amateurs...will be very interesting to see how the US does this year because if were they picking solely from the NCAA, they could probably ice an all-star team. Lots of top-round picks playing in College...though would have been far better before Matthews went pro...but I'd say with Canada looking like it's going to ice a squad of retreads and has-beens, the U.S. as a better chance than ever to take a gold.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 9:56 am EST

LeoS - LOL...Very true. Not sure why anyone would want to sign with a team that could literally be in a different country in a year...

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 9:28 am EST

TD - "on Long Island the rest of his career"?? with what team? LOL. On a side note, that season-ticket-holding SUV is gonna be crushed if the Isles move, perhaps even literally, in a junkyard. Double LOL.

LeoS


Mon Aug 7 2017 8:43 am EST

I do agree the biggest obstacle to JT becoming an UFA is trade and sign move that the Islanders surely will endeavor to engineer when they realize he's not going to resign.

rf4l


Mon Aug 7 2017 8:10 am EST

Regarding TAVARES: I think the main reason he hasn't inked yet that there is so much uncertainty swirling around the Islanders. This is a team that could end up on Hartford in a season...or out in Seattle...Or Quebec...I'm sure that is factoring into his decision, as is the approach the team itself is taking toward building a contender...if I'm JT, I don't even answer Snow's calls until he has a legitimate first-string goalie between the pipes...And while adding EBERLE was nice, it really didn't address what the main problem was, which was inconsistency in the net. GRIESS isn't a legitimate starter...And HALAK is a model of inconsistency...The combination of those two elements means to me I ride negotiations right into free agency...What about the Rangers? Well, I can't think of a single example of marquis player from either side wheeling across the river to play for the rival. It would be unprecedented for sure...closest example I can think of was GOMEZ...and even that isn't as egregious as a player as big as Tavares moving to a rival...maybe LAFONTAINE? But he was coming from the Sabres and already had one foot into retirement...Tavares would be a player IN HIS PRIME signing with a competing market...that right there is a marketing DISASTER. No team...even a team as hapless as the Isles...would ever let it happen...If they think JT is going to fly the coop, they will find a team far away that will trade for him and then sign him. And whatever the Rangers will offer him, the Isles will match it. I won't say it's out of the realm of possibility, because anything can happen...but I'd say JT has a 50-50 chance of staying on Long Island for his career, a 10 percent chance of joining any team not named the Islanders or Rangers and about a 0.00000000001 percent chance of signing with the Rangers. It's never gonna happen folks. We can roll out all the options like we did with PARISE several years ago...but I will be left dumbfounded if JT is allowed or does sign with the Rangers.

tdchi


Mon Aug 7 2017 6:33 am EST

OLA - Brown wrote for the NY Daily News

Gibbo


Mon Aug 7 2017 4:34 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/14-rangers-games-to-air-on-nbc-nbcsn-this-season-1.13892063

Stevielegs


Sun Aug 6 2017 11:40 pm EST

Ola, it was a 3 year, $21 mil contract for Sakic with $14 mil to be paid right the way. At that time, hope was that Avs organization won't afford to come up with the $14 mil, but they did. This offer sheet might have being a reason why Neal Smith got black listed.

andrei


Sun Aug 6 2017 4:09 pm EST

Not following the correlation between Sakic and JT. The former was an offer sheet that the Aves matched. JT will be an UFA.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 6 2017 3:51 pm EST

Was Frank Brown the writer for the Post? Or NYDN?

Ola


Sun Aug 6 2017 3:46 pm EST

I remember it like yesterday when we signed Sakic. Woke up and checked NY Daily News, John Dellapina?, said we had signed Sakic to 21m IIRC. I was so excited. Or was it 21m to be paid immediately. 1997 right? What could have been...

Ola


Sun Aug 6 2017 1:48 pm EST

Joe Sakic

melvillefred


Sun Aug 6 2017 1:35 pm EST

So you guys are making those predictions based on the overall negativity of being a Ranger fan. If so, I get that totally. If, on the other hand, you know something more factual, that's different and therefore, should be elaborated on. The case for JT being a Ranger next year if indeed, his intentions are to go to UFAgency because he doesn't like where the Islanders are now and where they're headed (and who can blame him if that's the case - they're a mess in multiple ways) is IMO a strong one. For example: 1) His addition makes the team a cup threat (unless the King breaks down before one of the 3 heir apparents are ready). The team, except for the goalie, overall is young and arguably could be a strong threat for the next 3 to 5 years (with JT as their number 1 centre), meaning it's not a last grasp thing he'd be joining 3)The team, with the departure of Nash next July, will have the cap room to sign him (meaning they won't be compromising their ability to tweak and tinker to remain a strong team. 4) The Rangers are allegedly one of the better teams to play for in terms of team generousity/treatment. 5) New York seems to be regarded by athletes in all major sports as a great place to play. 6) JT has already spent his entire NHL career in the NY area - common sense suggests he's established roots that would entice him to stay in the area. These are, IMO, compelling reasons to seriously consider the Rangers if he becomes an UFA. Given all that, not for a second do I believe the rivalry between the Rangers and Islanders is so bitter he'd not consider signing with them.

rf4l


Sun Aug 6 2017 12:34 pm EST

Probably because he's a Ranger Fan and knows better..

mf


Sun Aug 6 2017 12:24 pm EST

mfred: And you say that why?

rf4l


Sun Aug 6 2017 12:14 pm EST

Him

melvillefred


Sun Aug 6 2017 12:13 pm EST

Rf4l....the odds of Jim being a Ranger are -10%

melvillefred


Sun Aug 6 2017 10:50 am EST

Mf. Yes and if the King proves worthy of his contract JT makes the Rangers a legitimate cup contender.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 6 2017 10:38 am EST

Tavernas has a once in a lifetime opportunity to test free agency in terms of dollars and choosing a Stanley Cup competitor...

mf


Sun Aug 6 2017 9:28 am EST

Said it before and will say it again: The longer the JT impasse goes the greater the chance he's a Ranger next year. As LB states there's no financial/contract reason for him not to be resigned already. It's clearly about how JT perceives the future of the team. And at best that future as it stands now is murky. From the outside it appears there are more reasons to flee vs staying. Perhaps the bigger question is where does he want to go. If he loves NY then the Rangers are high on the list of possible destinations.

Rf4l


Sun Aug 6 2017 6:23 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/08/05/what-history-tells-us-about-john-tavares-islanders-stalemate/

Stevielegs


Sat Aug 5 2017 1:51 pm EST

Also just for reference, Anderson played 42 games for HV71 last season. 9 goals 10 assists. Not huge numbers by any stretch, however was also a plus-21, but it all needs to be taken with a grain or salt in a way. He is 18, and I think he was 17 when the season started there, so I am sure he was not put in the best positions to be offensively productive, nor was he put in positions to be needed for his defensive play. That jul hurt the production numbers and help the defensive ones. He has 16 playoff games with 4 goals and an assist along with a minus-3. Its the report that he didn't look ut of place and at times he was able to carry the play in those games that makes me feel better about him moving to the NHL sooner than later.

Wildcard


Sat Aug 5 2017 1:45 pm EST

Bob: For sure its not the same, never meant to imply that. However, if he can play against men at a pro level and not look totally out of place in any league let alone one of the better pro hockey counties outside North America, it speaks to positive things for the ability of that player to develop into a regular NHL player.

Wildcard


Sat Aug 5 2017 1:08 pm EST

WILDCARD--How many games are played in a Swedish Elite League season? Sureky not the NHL grind of 82 with many back-to-backs and 3 in 4 nighters.

Bob


Sat Aug 5 2017 11:07 am EST

Hospo: Understood. I assess based on what I see (if/when I can), scouting reports, stats, drafting position and level of competition the kid is in. The most effective is watching of course but even that is in a vacuum in that we get, at best, limited insight into intangibles such as personality, ability to get along with team-mates, etc. I am most definitely not an expert but I've seen enough hockey over the decades to believe that within those limitations my assessments aren't bad. My early take on Andersson is that he's a legitimate NHL prospect - his ceiling for me is unknown at this time - have to see more and how he fares this year, especially if he doesn't go back to Sweden (meaning he's on the Rangers or the Pack).

rf4l


Sat Aug 5 2017 10:10 am EST

Bob: Don't forget reports on Anderson are that he played well against men across the pond when he had the chance. Now I don't remember who had that or if it was legit....but if true would be good news.

Wildcard


Sat Aug 5 2017 9:57 am EST

RF4L - The problem with talking about and praising prospects is that too many people talk out of their ass about them without ever seeing them play and mainly go on reports and what others say..,,Also, If I haven't seen them play, I sure as hell can't agree or disagree with these proclamations about them.......That being said, while I still don't like the nature of the STEPAN trade (and subsequent moves or non-moves) and the way it still seems the Rangers gave up on this year with their current clusterfuck mess down the middle......BUTTTT..I'll say this....I was able to Watch LIAS ANDERSOON in a few games of this recent tournament...Gotta say I really liked whatt I saw...SKILL and bite...Looks good for the future at C...but...time will tell

Hospo


Sat Aug 5 2017 9:20 am EST

Very nice to see Andersson excel playing with other kids his age. I suspect that the Rangers are hoping he makes the team this season. It is risky, for sure. But it might work out. I am always concerned about the grind of 82 games on a kid like that. If it doesn't work out, they can always go get another center or move Miller there.

Bob


Sat Aug 5 2017 8:54 am EST

I know some don't care (re Hospo) but isn't it refreshing to be able to talk about some blue chip Ranger prospects for a change? From what I can tell, Andersson is the real-deal; just not sure how good he'll be but certainly appears to be a sure-fire NHL prospect. Chytil, too, but until I see him more and against better competition than scrimmages in the Rangers prospects, it's less than a sure thing (at this point). The trading away of so many high picks over the years has created a massive void in the feeder system that Gorton is now endeavoring to address (and did so with a bang at the June draft, to his credit). More to come for sure I suspect.

rf4l


Sat Aug 5 2017 8:44 am EST

To me beyond the physical, Andersons brain seems to be operating at a, if not higher level, than at least quicker pace than the other kids his age. Thats a big thing, lots of "kids" are physically beyond what most NHLers are, but its the mental side of things that that seems to cause these young players to fail. I mean look at Jessiman, would anyone say he didn't have the physical tools to be an NHL player? It was his inability to put it together in game that was the issue. Daigle, a top overall pick, all the physical tools, mentally couldn't hack the NHL...the NHL trash heap is full of players that make you scratch your head because they had all the tools and did so well at the lower levels but just never found a way to stick. Anderson looks like he is thinking at a level way above the kids he os playing against....there is one goal he scored a 2 or 3 days ago, he drifted around behind the net, and picked the perfect time to quickly move directly to the far post from the puck, and was in perfect position to bury a rebound. I think it was a PP goal. In any case, he read that play to perfection, and he has done that a few times, he gets the puck in the zone and finds the soft spot at the perfect time to get to a puck or get a pass and he seems to be doing it with no trouble at all. While there would be growing pains, I have the feeling he would be able to hang at the NHL level...might be better to get him to the AHL and let him play some and then bring him up after he settles in. Always feel like people forget about the non-hockey parts of transitioning to the pro ranks for these kids....big life changes can affect things in crazy ways and some time in the AHL can help that adjustment go smoother because there isn't the pressure of the NHL....

Wildcard


Sat Aug 5 2017 7:40 am EST

ola: Agreed Andersson looked good and that's always encouraging when a kid is picked that high and plays against relatively level competition. From what I saw, he's the real deal.

rf4l


Fri Aug 4 2017 5:50 pm EST

RF4L- Yeah lol, summer hockey defined. No 3 for us didn't have the best period. Think Sweden has played 4 games now, and it only was the second game for Canada. Many swedes looked really gassed after 4 games in 7 days in July-August... Lias had some really good moments too.

Ola


Fri Aug 4 2017 2:50 pm EST

GETTINGER and DAY in this afternoon's tilt...Gettinger starting on third line. Day at second pairing...

tdchi


Fri Aug 4 2017 2:07 pm EST

Sweden really sloppy most of this 3rd period.

rf4l


Fri Aug 4 2017 1:56 pm EST

Andersson looks really good. Very poised and a better stickhandler than I think he's been given credit for.

rf4l


Fri Aug 4 2017 1:53 pm EST

Grated, this tourney means next to nothing an is more or less an exhibition...but MAN there is some awful goaltending. These guys are brutal.

tdchi


Fri Aug 4 2017 1:28 pm EST

mf: Meaningless until/unless he resigns. JT is the consummate team player when it comes to (not) rocking the boat. There's no way he's gonna come out and say his real intentions if that involves exploring UFA at this point. Absolutely no way. I'd expect nothing but what he's saying from him.

rf4l


Fri Aug 4 2017 1:27 pm EST

Andersson scores Sweden's 2nd goal on a redirect.

rf4l


Fri Aug 4 2017 12:43 pm EST

1-1 after the first between Canada and Sweden. Quite start for Lias.

Ola


Fri Aug 4 2017 12:42 pm EST

WJSS on live. Sweden-Canada tied after one. Leafs' prospect had the Swedish tally...Sam STEEL of the Ducks had the goal for Canada. Saw a little of Andersson, but also watching at work...At any rate, here's a link if y'all want to join the fun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=assZKngGllg&feature=youtu.be

tdchi


Fri Aug 4 2017 10:20 am EST

RF: there's an article on JTavares sticking with the Isles on The Hockey Snooze from two days ago... Talk about fantasy football....

mf


Fri Aug 4 2017 5:08 am EST

Trade loosen your grip on your stick Bruno.

Stevielegs


Thu Aug 3 2017 9:18 pm EST

TD: OOh...Dahlin. Totally concur with you - that kid has so much upside - watched him in last year's WJC as a 16 year old. His offensive skills absolutely shone. Can he be as good as Karlsson? Dare I say better? I always knew Karlsson is really good but there's been a notch up (or 2 or 3 or 4) in the past say 16 months that's pushed him, IMO, into the top 5 players in the league. Dahlin matching that must be making scouts drool - surpassing it? Wow if so. I honestly think he's been that impressive.

rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 7:22 pm EST

BTW, in regard to Lias Andersson: I asked Alex Nunn what he thought his chances that he could make the team out of camp.... in his opinion, Andersson is NHL-ready. He feels he could slide in as bottom-6 C and do the job, but also still thinks it's best for his development if he goes back to Sweden.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 3 2017 7:14 pm EST

RF - I only saw clips on Twitter. But he and Rasmus DAHLIN, who is an absolute beast, are the guys that seem to be turning the most heads on Sweden. Gonna try to watch the game tomorrow.

tdchi


Thu Aug 3 2017 7:08 pm EST

PJ - No shit Sherlock. He's a top-six player in the KHL.

tdchi


Thu Aug 3 2017 6:05 pm EST

Ola: Interesting. I am totally opposed to having 18 year olds in the NHL unless they are capable of playing regularly and that means on the top 3 lines. Otherwise, they end up with reduced icetime and that's in direct opposition when you're 18 and a first round pick - you should be playing 20+ minutes a night against more reasonable competition instead. We'll see how it plays out - I suspect he'll be in the AHL this fall.

rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 5:48 pm EST

RF4L- I've seen all three games with Lias and Sweden in the WJSS. He has been good, and was great in the last game against the US where he scored 2 goals. He is captain for and Swedens best forward if not player. He is extremely determined on the ice and is just dominating 50/50 battles. He skates really well and is handling the puck really well. When the action has been going up and down a lot, you see the biggest room for improvement in his game and that is that he could add another gear in his skating. He is great when turning up with the puck in his own end and skates around a lot of players on the ice. But from a "is he ready for the NHL?"-POV, I think it's in that area he would benefit the most from staying in Europe another year and come back next season having added more strength and explosiveness.

Ola


Thu Aug 3 2017 4:11 pm EST

Jensen isn't an NHL player at all much less top 6....He blows...

PJ


Thu Aug 3 2017 3:12 pm EST

TD: Did you watch the game or see highlights? If the former, how did Andersson look away from the puck?

rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 1:13 pm EST

Lias ANDERSSON had two goals yesterday in Sweden's loss to Team USA. GETTINGER got in the game. DAY was a scratch....wouldn't read too much into either, as it seems the team was using the game as a try-out for some of the bubble players. Gettinger had a couple of shots and has looked sharp, though he was held off the score sheet...Anderson's goals...first was a pretty nice wrister...second was a bang-in off the PP. Looks pretty much as-advertised: A player who does everything good, but nothing great.

tdchi


Thu Aug 3 2017 12:35 pm EST

Anderson is a pretty tenacious guy. Seems to hawk and pressure the puck up and down the ice, finishes off every hit and plays with a lot of energy. I've liked what I've seen via highlights. He seems to be in the middle of a lot. I have a feeling that he can really get under someone's skin.

E


Thu Aug 3 2017 12:26 pm EST

FWIW I am looking forward to the TCT next month: The Rangers should have a strong team. Too bad it's not televised. I'd watch for sure.

Rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 12:24 pm EST

Andersson scores twice against US....

Rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 12:09 pm EST

JENSEN is a player geared for top-six play. Not to say he's an incomplete, offense-only player, but he's going to do better with big minutes...which is why he did well in Hartford and hasn't been able to break into the NHL yet...And that's why he's going to the KHL. The guy is confident he can put up big numbers if given the chance..the Rangers are stacked on wing and he'd need to wait at the back of a pretty long line to get that chance in New York...I personally think it's a shame he's taking this path and that if he came to camp, he'd both make the team and eventually secure a permanent spot in the lineup...this is a polished player who is ready for NHL minutes.

tdchi


Thu Aug 3 2017 10:22 am EST

BTW, I turned into a big fan of Freddy Mercury/Queen in my 60s! For those who have never heard Freddy's rock opera called "Barcelona" it's worth a listen...

Ranger47


Thu Aug 3 2017 9:59 am EST

So what happened to this Bozak will be a Ranger as soon as Z is signed due to having a better handle on the cap numbers stuff? I suspected when that was floated it was meaningless. The Rangers knew what they were prepared to pay Z and therefore, knew the cap situation. So are the Rangers still interested in Bozie? I'd say yes, unless they've shifted their attention elsewhere because what the Leafs want isn't realistic. My thoughts are this: The Leafs need to trade someone for cap relief at the very least but at the same time want to add a top 4 d-man. Those 2 are contradictory on the surface for sure. I suspect LL is shopping both Bozak and JVR - if both are gone, it frees up over $8,000,000 in cap space, some of which would be used to acquire that defensemen. If so, from an LL perspective, Bozie to NY is his fall-back move (to relieve the cap pressure). At the same time, without additional moves, moving say Holden for Bozak puts the Rangers up against the cap (something like $300,000 short). Therefore, is Gorton looking at additional moves to free up space (i.e. MZA for picks)? Moving parts for sure but I think the possibility of Bozie being a Rangers remains quite viable.

rF4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 9:35 am EST

tradestar28: Oops meant to say Tanzania/Zanzibar, not Madagaskar...

Ranger47


Thu Aug 3 2017 8:57 am EST

Rhet: When you say it's 'disingenuous at best' to say Jensen is out of hockey, if you're referring to my post, I said the NHL, which he is out of now. A 2 year deal in the KHL means he'll be 26 when/if he returns. That's certainly not old but really, what he needs to learn to do IMO is apply himself. He had, I believe, 2 stints with the Rangers last year and in both he did absolutely nothing and wholly deserved being sent back down in both instances. What will the KHL teach him that the AHL didn't? Hopefully, to actually do something on the ice vs skating around doing nothing. Maybe just being in the NHL intimidated him mentally because he certainly put up some impressive numbers on a putrid Pack team.

rF4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 8:49 am EST

tradestar28: I was one of those who back in the 60s was so naive as to not "get" what the name of Queen stood for! :( BTW, did you know that Freddy was not English. He moved there in his late teens (I believe) from his native Madagaskar.

Ranger47


Thu Aug 3 2017 7:25 am EST

Look, it's almost pointless arguing which one of NATTINEN or GROPP is the better prospect, since neither has played a game in the NHL. In the draft, Nattinen was the safer pick, but his upside was 'third-line center.' Overall projection was bottom-six 'glue' player. And that's really the role he's played internationally and with Windsor. Nothing flashy about him. Just a good all-around player...Gropp, OTOH, had very high potential. There were some who thought he could go in the bottom part of the first and really, where the Rangers got him, he was a steal...he was essentially the first rounder they didn't have. He had/has a ton of upside: Speed and size, a nose for the net. But he's not a skilled player...And I think there were questions about his hockey IQ if I remember correctly...still, had the Rangers not picked him at 41, Jersey would have gotten him at 42...Also, I can't remember exactly how the HAGELIN deal went down, but there was some REALLY good talent that dropped to the second round. Grabbing the 41st overall was a wise move at the time...Just think: We wouldn't be having this discussion at all if the Rangers had landed Brandon CARLO(37th) or Sebastion AHO(35th). And in truth, had we landed one of those players, we wouldn't even be talking about the Hagelin deal at all...Nevertheless, we'll get a good glimpse at Nattinen-vs-Gropp when the season starts...I'm not going to write either off quite yet.

tdchi


Thu Aug 3 2017 7:16 am EST

In regards to Hagelin: He's a bottom six player, just how much of a return did anyone expect to get for him? Also: saying that Jensen is out of hockey is disingenuous at best. The guy signed in the KHL for two years with an eye on returning to the NHL after that. I think it will do him a lot of good.

Rhet0ric


Thu Aug 3 2017 6:55 am EST

Another mf fantasy player gone: Mike Fisher retires...

Rf4l


Thu Aug 3 2017 5:48 am EST

mf..........I can only stay out here floating until the ice comes back....then I gotta come ashore !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Aug 3 2017 2:30 am EST

RF4L: doesn't count Janet that at the same age the guy you say may turn out to be better had many less points...and a huge drop off in junior. Gropp didn't regress at the junior level, in fact after he got going a little bit into the season he was one of the more dominant players there....yes as an over age player....but he is a few months younger than the guy who took a step back as that same over aged player who you seem to think will be better....regression means doing less and achieving less...not setting personal bests.

Wildcard


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:40 pm EST

moof-muffler? jeesh.....this talk is almost as obvious as when Freddy Mercury named his band, "Queen"

tradestar28


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:06 pm EST

Carl Hagelin had two points in the 2017 playoffs...In 15 games. Now imagine if he did that as a Ranger. That is all.

tdchi


Wed Aug 2 2017 9:40 pm EST

Was Carl Hagelin worth $4 million for Pittsburgh? You better believe it. I think he is overpaid by about 1.5 million but at the end of the day Pit does not win a cup without that line. Hagelin is a seriously skilled utility player. Id love to have him back and playing with Grabner. Then we could have 400 breakaways that get shot right into the pads night after night.

E


Wed Aug 2 2017 8:57 pm EST

watching some more of lias anderson he brings to mind the former montreal canadien center ralph backstron who was a solid defensive center but could make solid offensive thrusts both on power play or short handed . inagine a team with top 3 centers of 1- belliveau 2- henri richard 3- ralph backstron that was the strength of those early 60's canadien teams chytil on the other hand is looking more and more like a steal , his growth and development potential from where his game is now makes him imo a possible first line center with all star capabilities , when i watch his highlites im reminded of a young jean ratelle in terms of style yet he may become even better due to his fiery competiveness , sonething that jean ratelle lacked . within s couple of years i can envision chytil as a numbar 1 and anderson as a numbar 2 center on a very good team

docjay


Wed Aug 2 2017 7:28 pm EST

Wild. He has regressed. He got sent back to junior as an overager. That is not what management was envisioning when they traded up to pick him.

rf4l


Wed Aug 2 2017 7:25 pm EST

For me, no problem dealing Hagelin - $4,000,000 is a lot for what he brings. The return is what gets me. Just another bad trade, albeit not as lopsided as the MSL and Yandle deals.

rf4l


Wed Aug 2 2017 5:55 pm EST

RF4L: Oh come on...if Gropp had dropped from 71 to 38 points in the OHL you would be pointing out how he had regressed...and you would have spoken about the other players on the Memorial Cup winners than carried him to that title. WE don't know anything about what Gropp or Nattinen will do at the pro level....but if your going to point to OHL production to try to glean anything from that, Group will be better...he has one year (last year) better than the other kids two years in the OHL, and he has 3 years all better than the other guys last year....Nattinen played 7 playoff games and had 4 points last year Gropp played in 16 and had 19 points. Add to that Group was born 09-19-1996 and the other kid was born 01-14-1997 so he is a few month older even...but essentially the same age. The Kid from Finland you would have expected to improve PPG wise his second year, but it doesn't mean much....again, pointing to the OHL and Gropp looks like the better prospect...

Wildcard


Wed Aug 2 2017 5:45 pm EST

And while we're still assessing the HAGELIN deal, I'll pose this question: How many of you would be griping about $4 million contract to a third-liner who only scored 22 points last season? Here's how you assess the Hagelin deal: It's been a push for both teams. The Ducks got PERRON, who lasted several months and left as a UFA, CLENDENING(ibid, only he hit the waiver wire a couple weeks into his stint), METCALF(see below) and NATTINEN. Rangers got JENSEN, GROPP and Dominik LAKOTOS. Right now, neither team has squat. And if I were to call it, I don't think either Nattinen or Gropp have an especially bright future in the NHL...but we shall see.

tdchi


Wed Aug 2 2017 5:39 pm EST

Just gonna drop this here: Julius Nattinen, 38 points in 51 games in the OHL. Ryan Gropp, 84 points in 66 games in the WHL.

tdchi


Wed Aug 2 2017 4:03 pm EST

Irving you have gas, try gas-x with your moofmuffler . your causing air pollution and global warming. I'm calling the EPA.

stevielegs


Wed Aug 2 2017 3:26 pm EST

Newfie, just got to Bar Harbor Maine, we're sending the coast guard, keep floating... StLegs, they have Irving gas stations up here..

mf


Wed Aug 2 2017 3:08 pm EST

The Rangers traded not just 6th rounder in the Hagelin deal but a lower 2nd rounder (59th), along with Hagelin for Etem, who in turn fetched Jensen who is now out of the NHL, in return for the right to move up in that 2nd round to draft Gropp. The kid the Ducks took with the 59th pick is Julius Nattinen, who won a Memorial Cup alongside Sean Day with Windsor this past spring. This kid could turn out better than Gropp - what a lousy trade by the Rangers.

rf4l


Wed Aug 2 2017 1:48 pm EST

OLA, no news that I saw. I think it's just prospect talk. Dog days of August Rosterbating (AHL version!)

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 2 2017 1:41 pm EST

What's the news on Gropp everyone is talking about??

Ola


Wed Aug 2 2017 12:42 pm EST

Newf- Wasn't it up against the steamroller named "Hamilton" or was that the year before? Don't they say "Just being nominated is an honor?" (through gritted teeth!).

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 2 2017 12:08 pm EST

GROPP is not the only component from the HAGELIN trade. JENSEN remains Ranger property and, according to numerous sources, very much wants to return to the NHL...His decision to move to the KHL was based largely on improving his profile with the Rangers. Similar to what ZUCC did a few years back...Whether he does on not or whether this was a good decision --I would argue he would have been A LOT better off vying for a position with the team --remains to be seen...Now for a little six degrees of separation...Rangers packaged their sixth round pick with their second rounder in that deal to move up to grab Gropp...with that sixth-rounder, the Ducks landed Garret METCALF, a tender now with UMass-Lowell. Wall, two years his junior, was also picked in the sixth round...only in 2016...and was thought to be destined for the backup's seat...Instead, he ended up starting nearly all of Lowell's games, winning 26 and relegating Metcalf to the bench.

tdchi


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:59 am EST

GETTINGER and DAY both made today's cuts from Team USA...not much of a surprise, but still good news. Team down to 34 after trimming 11 guys --two due to injury...not much changes...Day still considered a lock and Gettinger on a long-shot. Today's combined squad game is set to air on the NHL Network at 4 p.m.

tdchi


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:16 am EST

COLORADO.........yes, that is quite the production........a great tribute to our people and our entire Province( a lot of planes landed in St.John's as well)..........it was kinda disappointing when it didn't win more awards on Broadway.But, ALL involved should be very proud of what they produced in order to keep that "story" alive.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:07 am EST

Newfie- We listened to the musical "Come From Away" on a road trip. It's a great tribute to the people of Gander (and Newfoundlanders in general!) when their population doubled after 9/11 during the airway shudown. And it is exactly how I experience all the Maritimers. A hardy, friendly lot they are! Highly recommended.

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 2 2017 11:04 am EST

Anyone going to the January 7th Vegas game? The wife and I bought the "WeBleedBlue" package and will be going to that game. Should be fun. Hopefully some other Wallsters will be there.

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 2 2017 10:12 am EST

JFC- My daughter is also 21 and going into senior year! I think she was 2-3 when I found the wall! Time flies! Hey, any old wallsters remember the writer who wrote the hilarious column called Blindfolds and Cigarettes (or something like that?) where he had "conversations with Sather, I think. That guy could teach a thing or two to these current bloggers on the internets! (Them whippersnappers!)

ColoradoMark


Wed Aug 2 2017 7:10 am EST

The real kick in the teeth with Gropp is that Sather traded Hagelin and a second to draft the kid. If he flames out it's a bad miss ny them.

Rf4l


Tue Aug 1 2017 11:48 pm EST

Hey, MelvilleFred! My son is now 21 years old and is going into his senior year in college!!

JFC31


Tue Aug 1 2017 10:46 pm EST

Well, FWIW, the GROPP pick could have gone and still can go either way...it was and still is a toss up for most of the guys in the second round from 2015...and it should be noted that just before Gropp went Brandon CARLO and Sebastian AHO --two guys who have star potential. And if we want to go eight picks before Gropp, there's Christian FISCHER, who probably would have gone in the mid-first had he been selected this year...so it's a shame the Rangers couldn't have traded up a few picks...but there wasn't a hell of a lot immediately after Gropp...in fact, he was kind of where the second went from safe pick to crap shoot...but there were a few I would have taken over him...first and foremost, Jordan GREENWAY...this kid would have been a FAN FAVORITE. 6'5, 230...still probably a few pounds under his playing weight...guy plays with an edge and goes to the dirty areas...But even he doesn't look to be much more than a bottom-six player...Rasmus ANDERSSON would have been a great add for the right side of D...and Oliver KYLINGTON for the left...Jeremy BRACCO is a force...but I'm not sure and of those four will ever be more than solid players...Ironically, the Rangers could have kept their third and sixth and drafted Keegan KOLESAR, a big winger taken by Columbus in the early third...He had a beast of a year and is looking like a complete player...he supplanted Gropp from the top line in Seattle and ended up with 31 points in 19 games during the POs.

tdchi


Tue Aug 1 2017 8:09 pm EST

Too bad on the GROPP news... IIRC we chose him with a pick we received in the Hagelin trade... Wonder what the Rangers Org thinks about the kid, but if he's not going to make the big club in 2-3 years they should trade him when the perceived value is there, if there is any that is..... Unfortunately this kid BARZAL is Islander property.....

mf


Tue Aug 1 2017 5:24 pm EST

hipcheck - Interestingly enough, the three coaches hired by the Rangers this off-season --RUFF, McCAMBRIDGE and now MORMINA --were all hard-hitting no-nonsense guys...Will be interesting to see if this sort playing career bleeds into their coaching philosophy...or if this is Gorton's agreement with and subsequent response to what a lot of folks here billed as weakness and 'turn the other cheek' play...I think when DeANGELO gets going, what we'll find we have is a right-handed MDZ...guy who is truly gifted offensively, but who has rocks for brains defensively. Really quite surprised he was ranked as high as he was in the Rangers "prospects." He wasn't my first choice among the Yotes' blueliners --really wanted Connor MURPHY --but he was a not-too-distant second choice...

tdchi


Tue Aug 1 2017 5:00 pm EST

Newfie - I've heard two theories re: GROPP. The first is the guy just isn't that good and didn't mature as they had expected. He's got very good speed and good size. And when you draft a guy like that, IMO, from one of the weaker CHL divisions(i.e. the WHL), you run the risk that the guy is simply abusing teenagers and that when he gets to the next level, he'll struggle...that's the view Adam Herman is taking and it doesn't sound like he's alone...My last prolonged look at him was during the TC tourney, and frankly, he was a big disappointment. Didn't look anything like the clips I'd seen and was pretty much a non-entity. I know the Rangers were hoping he'd start in Hartford, but after his lackluster camp...he was sent back for the overage year...which does, in fact, fit with this theory...But if you want the glass-is-half-full theory, try this out for size: He suffered a pretty significant injury --think it was his knee --a couple years ago and it may have stunted his growth so to speak. You got the first significant injury of the guy's career and it detracts from what was a big strength in his game, namely his speed. I've heard he wasn't 100 percent in TC or in camp(if I recall, the injury was during the playoffs in 2016)...nor did he start juniors healthy...Consistent with this is that midway through the season, after starting slow, Gropp poured it on. And while he didn't come close to the team lead in the playoffs, you can' complain about 19 points in 16 games --just six less than BARZAL, who is roundly regarded as a stud...so we'll see...if he flops in TC this year and is a no-show in camp, I'd say you could close the book on Gropp. I would say what Herman wrote, which cites a couple of scouts, does not sound encouraging...

tdchi


Tue Aug 1 2017 4:10 pm EST

Also pumped to see a resurgence from the D lead by Ruff. Smith really brought some bite physically. Let's see if Shattenkirk delivers the offense/PP... I never liked him, never wanted him, but now I'm rooting hard for him because of the contract. On paper, The D 1-8 looks good and deep.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 1 2017 4:00 pm EST

I hope this kid DeAngelo brings some attitude to the Defense. I want to see chippiness in front of the King & after the whistle. I miss the days of P.J. Stock. This kid supposedly has an attitude problem. Rangers are in desperate need of toughness and personality.

hipcheck


Tue Aug 1 2017 1:25 pm EST

tdchi........great info........thanks. Really sad to hear about Gropp,very disappointing.........he was a real "scoring machine" down the stretch....I had high hopes ...I wonder what happened ????

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Aug 1 2017 10:53 am EST

Jimmy Murphy‏Verified account @MurphysLaw74 .... According to a reliable NHL source w/knowledge of #Jagr situation, #NHLPanthers told him to test market & "circle back". He agreed. (Cont.).... More on #Jagr & #NHLPanthers, after testing market & after team went through expansion/entry drafts & hiring coach, sides parted ways.... But again, #NHLPanthers NEVER "reneged" on a contract to Jaromir Jagr. Not even a verbal agreement or "wink-wink"!

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 1 2017 10:05 am EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers ..... OFFICIAL: #NYR have named Joe Mormina Assistant Coach of the @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Aug 1 2017 7:14 am EST

Been following Blueshirt Banter's 'prospect rankings' with a degree of interest. The guy doing them clearly has invested some time into them. And while I don't agree with everything he's posted --I think he suffers a bit from 'shinny new thing' syndrome and that you're a lot more likely to be a the top of the standings if you were just drafted. But I think the vast majority of what he's said about the prospects is on the mark. All this said, the two big negatives I took from his rankings is that he's REALLY down on Ryan GROPP and Sergey ZOBOROVSKIY...basically thinks Gropp is on his way out as a prospect and that Zoborovskiy is overrated to the point that we should really keep our hopes muted for his performance in Hartford, much less that he ever makes the pros...I share his optimism with a few other interesting names...Tim GETTINGER'S stock is rising...I still don't think he's made Team USA and the odds are against him getting a spot...but man, everything I've seen and read about this guy is encouraging...He echoed the praise of Gabriel FONTAINE..Guy could be a real sleeper in that draft...Ty RONNING too...Only got to see him once in Hartford, but he was one of the few to impress...and lastly, NIEVES...outlined how he pretty much had an injury-plagued season and that all the tools are there...Also had some very encouraging words about tenders HUSKA, which didn't surprise me at all, and Tyler WALL, who he thinks has a outside chance of making Team Canada...He's into the top 5 now, which include CHYTIL, ANDERSSON, DAY and SHESTERKIN in no specific order. DeANGELO, who I would consider a graduate, is ranked fourth...at any rate, it's good summer reading...and unlike some bloggers and self-professed advance stat gurus, Herman seems to WATCH players before making an assessment. Found much of what he had to say to be accurate with what I've observed.

tdchi


Tue Aug 1 2017 7:10 am EST

Summer 2017 New York Rangers Prospect Rankings: 1-5..... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/8/1/16049022/summer-2017-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-1-5-andersson-chytil-shestyorkin-deangelo-day

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 31 2017 8:49 pm EST

JFC31.....how old is your son? He was a newborn when got together in Hartford?

melvillefred


Mon Jul 31 2017 5:14 pm EST

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/7/31/16038044/summer-2017-new-york-rangers-prospect-rankings-10-6

mf


Mon Jul 31 2017 3:58 pm EST

Stranger: Sorry - I just noticed that Ticketmaster is saying that there are no more tickets available. Perhaps you can order them from some other source.....

Ranger47


Mon Jul 31 2017 3:55 pm EST

Stranger: https://www1.ticketmaster.com/nhl-preseason-new-york-islanders-v-bridgeport-connecticut-09-22-2017/event/1D0052ACD7EA32DA?artistid=805986&majorcatid=10004&minorcatid=9 We'll be in section 105 F11 and 12.

Ranger47


Mon Jul 31 2017 3:08 pm EST

R47, where did you get those tickets. I was thinking I wanted to go to that but forgot about it. Through the arena or the teams?

NYStranger


Mon Jul 31 2017 3:03 pm EST

Very close guys. I am in Easton now.

NYStranger


Mon Jul 31 2017 12:04 pm EST

Newfie: Hope you know how to float! :)

Ranger47


Mon Jul 31 2017 11:51 am EST

NYStranger, JFC31, and Ranger47................and I'm nowhere near you guys..........I'm out in the middle of the North Atlantic..........LOL !

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Jul 31 2017 10:59 am EST

Opps...and now the link: https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-prospect-update-gettinger-andersson-day-wjss/c-290545786

rf4l


Mon Jul 31 2017 10:59 am EST

Some feedback on day 2 of that tourney going on. Some great words on all 3 Rangers playing. Andersson sure sounds mature as a player - he may not be far away from playing in the NHL, perhaps as soon as part way thru this year. I gotta believe, as I read more and more about him, he'll start the season in Hartford (as opposed to Sweden). He certainly apepars to be focused and dedicated. My only concern with all that is he's ahead of his peers in the mental aspect of the game and that's helping him rise above them - many, with maturity, will catch up and will that then result in him losing that edge? Guess we'll see eventually. Mind you, some NEVER grasp that part of the game.

rf4l


Mon Jul 31 2017 9:57 am EST

Well hello JFC! I lived in Trumbull for 20 years. Always liked Newtown! BTW, I've pre-purchased tickets for my son and I for the 9/22 preseason game in Bridgeport. Maybe some of us locals can meet there?

Ranger47


Mon Jul 31 2017 9:44 am EST

And I'm close to both of you....Newtown :^)

JFC31


Mon Jul 31 2017 8:32 am EST

NYStranger: I must be close to you? I live in Shelton.

Ranger47


Mon Jul 31 2017 7:20 am EST

mf: The Wild's biggest issue are the 2 legacy front end loaded contracts on their roster, signed of course, pre-latest CBA: Suter and Parise. The former is 32, the latter 33 and each at a nearly $7,600,000 cap hit for the next 7 years! Horrible contracts are starting to drag down the franchise and as the players continue to age, it'll only get worse. One for sure will get a mysterious disease or injury for sure before long and maybe both.

rf4l


Mon Jul 31 2017 7:15 am EST

Meant...'CAN'T see it happening'

NYStranger


Mon Jul 31 2017 7:14 am EST

TD I would love for the Wolf Pack to move to Bridgeport. It is only a 5 min drive for me ....but somehow I doubt it! It would be to convenient! Really want to the the Whalers to come back to Hartford. Again see it happening. Ahh if I was king for a day...

NYStranger


Sun Jul 30 2017 11:40 pm EST

Minny now has 9 forwards signed, $10.5 mill in cap, and has to sign Mikael Granlund who put up 26/43/69 compared to Nino's 25/32/57... In other words Granlund is going to get the same money p/y or more... The Cap strikes again....http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

mf


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:58 pm EST

Nino Niederreiter gets a five-year, $26.25 million contract with the Wild.

rf4l


Sun Jul 30 2017 2:12 pm EST

OHL Prospects‏ @BrockOtten ..... The @NYRangers are today's '31 in 31.' Sean Day, Tim Gettinger, and Brandon Crawley are reviewed. All had good years ....https://ohlprospects.blogspot.ca/2017/07/31-teams-in-31-days-new-york-rangers.html …

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 30 2017 10:06 am EST

Stepan's pending nmc was a big factor in him being moved. Gorton is dealing now with big contracts that have those clauses. They truly handcuff a GM. Ultimately you're faced with 2 choices: Buy out vs compromising the lineup by keeping the player - unpopular choices for sure if the former is stiff.

Rf4l


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:59 am EST

PUCKYOU - But that's a factor of systems, not the league as a whole. Certainly, GIRARDI no longer fit the Rangers' system, which is all about high-pressure fast-moving offense. I somewhat disagree on STEPAN...I don't think his speed had much to do with why he was moved...I'd say 75 percent of that deal was done with SHATTENKIRK being signed in mind and the other 25 percent being Gorton looking two and three years down the road at the Rangers' cap situation...He got two centers that he'll hopefully be able to swap into the mix on the cheap, thus freeing up space to keep the core together...And while Stepan wasn't a great fit with the up-tempo system, he played a very critical role on the Rangers. I don't think he would have been traded had the Rangers thought they could sneak Shatty's contract under the wire.

tdchi


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:59 am EST

TD. Gotta figure Chytil will be on thr Czech team meaning after a not surprising dry spell for the organization we're going to have some kids to watch at this year's WJC. I wonder if any of their other euro picks will participate.

Rf4l


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:53 am EST

The World Junior Summer Showcase is underway...tourney that has two US teams, two Canadian teams, and squads from both Finland and Sweden...The NHL Network is apparently airing the last three days of the tourney, starting midway through this week...Rangers have three prospects in the tourney: GETTINGER and DAY are both on Team Blue for the US. Both had a rough start to the tourney. Gettinger missed a yawning net...ended a game -2...Day got fleeced of the puck in a corner, a turnover that resulted in a goal...Day is a shoe-in for Team USA. Gettinger, less so. He's probably on the outside and unless he really shows a lot this tourney, he probably be cut...on the flip side, Lias ANDERSSON has a great first game...had an assist...won a faceoff cleanly that lead to a goal. Also had four shots on net. He is a shoe-in for Sweden's roster at the WJCs.

tdchi


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:44 am EST

Regardless of what you think of Brooks- he has a point. He neglected to use 2 local examples- Girardi and Stepan no longer fit on the fast break NYR. I remember Brad Richards' last year here, his looking slower than his wingers. The next season, when I saw the Wings play, Richards didn't stick out as slow in that lineup. The point Brooks seems to be getting at is the NHL GM's may beinadvertently throwing out the baby with the bath water. After the lockout and rule changes (red line removal), Brett Hull, a great scorer retired immediately- Shanahan switched to lighter skates and equipment just to try and survive the new pace. Whether we want to admit it or not, its getting more like the NFL in terms of scouting. I'm sure scouting is prioritizing speed- soon it might be looking at that like NFL scouts look at times in the 40 yard dash. We all know hockey skills are a lot more subtle than just speed- a guy can skate like lightning but have no hands or play making ability and be useless. Jags is a freak of nature- it's a young mans game. My guess is, unlike the NFL which has signing bonuses but cuttable contracts, the NHL is going to want shortened contract lengths with the next CBA - these buyouts are painful.

PUCKYOU


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:32 am EST

Irving moof maybe you should stop telling guys in the bar Let me push in your stool and to please push your stool in for you. That makes you a stool pigeon. Your bend for a friend moofy motto is too literal. Wave your rainbow flag high and sing your song , goodbye yellow brick road. Now I know why your parents moved from Brooklyn. ... lol .... does your wife know?

Stevielegs


Sun Jul 30 2017 9:11 am EST

Wait. So Brooks is telling us that guys aged 40 and up are having a tough time finding a job in the league?! WOW. SCOOP!! What a fucking dimwit. And I love how he contradicts the focus of his story in its very first sentence. Hey Brooksie, ya boob...What's the name of the guy who just signed a three-year $6.3 million contract with one of the youngest, fastest teams in the league? Oh yeah...Patrick MARLEAU...as for JAGR, he'll find a place somewhere in the league..he IS painfully slow compared to the general pace of the league...but speed was never Jagr's game anyway. I remember when he was with Boston, he looked like he was skating in quick sand. And yet he's skated another four seasons since, and put up very respectable numbers. The guy is all about puck possession. You put him on a bottom line and use him exclusively for special teams. Harnett, who covers the Rangers fairly exclusively, wrote something about the Rangers possibly giving JJ another run on Broadway...and as revolted as I was initially, I'm actually of the mind that it's not an awful idea...especially if CHYTIL ends up in New York...Jagr has a place in this league and come October, he'll be pulling on an NHL jersey if he wants for as long as he wants...doubt it'll be the Rangers, but there will always be an NHL team willing to sign him simply for the capacity I just described. Likely what has prevented this thus far is what they know he'll be asking for.

tdchi


Sun Jul 30 2017 8:34 am EST

Interesting about the Wolfpack and the lease with Hartford. Not sure which side is limiting the deal to two years...my guess is Hartford...but I've heard for some time that because UConn is going to be using the facility exclusively and needs space for its women's team, that the Pack are getting squeezed out. And of course there are the continued rumors about Hartford making a push for a professional team --namely the Islanders, but also the inevitable NHL expansion franchise that now appears destined for Seattle. Albany lost its AHL team to Binghamton last winter, which is a rather significant hit for the city and the Times Union Center. They've got no one to fill that slot. And while the Devils/River Rats were never a big draw, they did bring people into that arena for 40 days a year. My continued hope is that someone from the Rangers' management sees the advantages of keeping the franchise in New York, just up the Thruway, in a facility that is a short skip away from the train to NYC...The rumor, however, is that the Isles will move the Bridgeport Sound Tigers to Nassau Coliseum, the Isles to Hartford and the Pack will move to Bridgeport. What's all this mean to your average Ranger fan? Absolutely nothing.

tdchi


Sat Jul 29 2017 11:52 pm EST

regarding Draisaitl and an offer sheet... If we were to trade Nash we've got the cash... Current NYR cap = $3,050,556. Move Nash frees up $7,800,000 = $10,850,556 which just may get Draisaitl... Move Holden frees up an additional $1,650,000..... Naturally We'd have to fill Nash's spot for next season but maybe Lias Andersson can start on the wing if he makes the big club, or we go the UFA route… Talk about a rebuild on the fly, what a bold couple of moves by Gorton that would be…. Chronologically, he’d have to trade Nash, that would set off a red flag across the league, then tender an offer that Edmonton will NOT match, somewhere in there, trade Holden… Bozak who?

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 11:38 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/07/29/jaromir-jagr-and-other-veterans-victims-of-nhls-need-for-speed/

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:15 pm EST

Want proof that Brooks just loves to talk out his ass? Look at his latest dish rag worthy story. In it he claims "Older guys who can’t skate, like Patrick Marleau, are dinosaurs on brink of extinction." I mean has this guy ever seen Marleau play? Of all criticisms one can level against Marleau the ability to skate is not one of them. He's still an upper echelon skater and he may have lost a step but Marleau used to be Chris Krieder fast. In fact, Marleau is the guy I most often use as a comparison of Chris Krieder. Obviously Chris Krieder is more physical but they are both big bodies with serious wheels. I find Brooks almost unreadable. Just loves to pull it right out of the air and twist screws.

E


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:10 pm EST

sheet, thats a June 29 article & not a July 29 article

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:03 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-offer-sheet-leon-draisaitl/

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:01 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/wolf-pack-town-hall-meeting-recap/

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 9:24 pm EST

http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-will-butcher-pittsburgh-penguins-vancouver-canucks/2017/07/28/

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 8:06 pm EST

Hah! A lotta subtle irony in your last post, there, Limbo.

LeoS


Sat Jul 29 2017 2:56 pm EST

Q & A from Hockey News: @jjkatz613 asks: Was the trade to get Lias Andersson (drafted seventh overall in June) a successful one for the New York Rangers? How will Lias impact the team’s future? While it’s very difficult to gauge the winner of the Derek Stepan trade before any games have even been played, let me put it this way: I know for a fact that another NHL team was going to draft Andersson very soon after the seventh selection if he was still on the board. So, New York had to strike early if that was their guy. I’m a big Andersson fan. I first saw him last summer at Team USA’s world junior summer tournament and the Swedish coaches were also very pleased, calling him their best center during the first several games (and keep in mind, Joel Eriksson-Ek was also there and playing very well). After another year or two in Sweden, Andersson will come over and be an impact player for New York. I can see him as a 1B kind of center, bringing the same kind of production and two-way play as a young David Krejci or, ironically, Stepan. He’s quick, tenacious and skilled – three great qualities.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/prospect-mailbag-debrincat-s-upside-in-chicago-defensemen-on-the-rise-2018-nhl-draft-watch

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 2:51 pm EST

Truce: https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/pavel-buchnevich-hopes-to-stay-healthy-this-season/245145280

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 2:11 pm EST

mf - ha! I yield! I'm not good at flame wars. Btw - agree with all your last below hockey points.

Limbo


Sat Jul 29 2017 1:09 pm EST

Ola: Are TransStar & Limbo the Contortionist expecting?

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 11:54 am EST

Will we get our first wall marriage? Even wall babies?

Ola


Sat Jul 29 2017 11:15 am EST

TD: I think you are being overly critical on STEPAN. He is no worse then 2nd or 3rd rate. Why don't you give the guy a break instead of being so hard on him all the time...... ;)

Vic


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:49 am EST

Mf: Yes Gorton is earning my respect. Retooling on the fly that includes trying to replenish a feeder system run to the ground by his reckless predecessor is a very difficult task. So far so very good. His work however is hardly complete.

Rf4l


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:40 am EST

I think the odds of John Taveras being a Ranger are slim to none.... McDonagh vs Skjei: Skjei may be a smoother skater, McDonagh is Seal Team 6, an absolute warrior...... Dollar-wise: can't see us buying out Staal for at least another season possibly 2...... "IF" we can sign Bozak we have Bozak in place of Stepan, Shattenkirk in place of Girardi, we're eating G's buyout, Dijonaisse for Lindbuger, 2 first round picks, & Z'bad signed to a market-rate contract.... Pretty good work by Gorton & company so far and the fact that RF is referring to Gorton as Gorton is an endorsement from the North.... Limbo & TradeStar the village people boys making a cameo.... Tread lightly you two powderpuffs

mf


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:30 am EST

Limbo- ROFL!

tradestar28


Sat Jul 29 2017 10:18 am EST

IMHO Staal does not get bought out until next year (or traded at the trading deadline) and although overpaid will be fine on the #3 pairing. Wouldn't be surprised to see us going into training camp and the preseason with team as is. Like all teams we'll have a chance to see what we have (or what's a problem). Lots of questions to be answered in preseason. Then, like all the other teams we'll see who needs what and look for a trading partner to upgrade before the start of the season. The long view says that we'll make adjustments later in the year, especially at the trading deadline, as needed.

Ranger47


Sat Jul 29 2017 9:45 am EST

LOLOLOLOLOLOL....

rf4l


Sat Jul 29 2017 9:36 am EST

Let's see how many pile onto that grenade...

tdchi


Sat Jul 29 2017 9:35 am EST

Vic - how about will the fourth-rate Derek STEPAN be bought out by June?

tdchi


Sat Jul 29 2017 9:34 am EST

Pondering the notion of buying out Staal and how that means 8 years of dead cap space, a few of those that amount to $6,000,000 because it would be combined with Girardi's buy-out hit. I get the lure because it frees up, after you taken in to account, $3,000,000 of cap space - that means someone like Bozak can easily fit, along with another forward. Secondly, if Staal's play has slipped to the point where he's a bottom pairing defenseman, do you really want to be pairing someone taking up that roster spot $5,700,000? That easily can be replaced by a player on an ELC with a cap hit under $1,000,000. Therefore, one could argue that in theory it means you're paying about $4,000,000 to replace Staal's 5th/6th defenseman spot (his buyout + the ELC). Looking at it that way, it might make sense. It's also interesting to project a year ahead. If the Rangers wait until next year to buy Staal out, the hit is considerably less intrusive, dropping from an 8 year penalty to a 6 year and shaving off about $1,500,000 in the first 3 years. I guess it all depends how Gorton views his roster and their PO chances. Does he feel adding Bozak makes them contenders? If so, he seriously needs to consider buying out Staal. If not, you don't do it. And the wild card in here IMO remains Taveras. I realize with Nash's departure next July $7,800,000 comes off the books but JT is going to cost in the neighourhood of 8 years at $10,000,000 (which I'd happily do, BTW). In addition, Skjei will be seeking a healthy raise, probably at least tripling his salary and maybe more, if his growth this season continues on the projectory we saw last year. Also, looking for new deals next summer will be Hayes and Miller. Signing JT might mean the former is traded, especially if Bozak is acquired this summer and the 2 parties find mutual love. A top 3 centre lineup of JT, Z and Bozie would be impressive indeed (and I'd argue Stanley Cup material). Nonetheless, cap space must be left on the table for next year. Interesting times in RangerLand for sure.

rf4l


Sat Jul 29 2017 8:11 am EST

To me, Skjei looks a little smoother than McD and handles the puck better. McD is a better player positionally but he's also considerably more experienced. Skjei, as a rookie, ended up in the top 4. That's impressive. Top pairing isn't out of the question at all. He's a keeper. I only part with him if the return is top end, like MacKinnon.

rf4l


Sat Jul 29 2017 7:33 am EST

Trade - it's neither little nor background. I'm just trying to figure out who we should root for.

Limbo


Sat Jul 29 2017 1:03 am EST

is it me or is there a little background "homo-erotica" thing going on between MF and Stevielegs during the Wall conversations? Asking for a friend.

tradestar28


Fri Jul 28 2017 10:01 pm EST

I'm not sure where Skjei will land in terms of production but he knows how to jump a gap and get good looks on net with the shot to back it up. He's not going to suddenly be out trying crazy stuff like you expect a Shattenkirk to do. He thinks like a defenseman and if it's there? He doesn't take too many chances. Just like McD. High IQ plays. The only difference between them however is I think Skjei is a more natural goal scorer. He gets good velocity on his snapshots. He's an intriguing player. Certainly one of my big stories for next season. If he takes the next step 2/3 of your defense looks solid. And honestly, more and more I see teams shortening their benches in the post season. So, if they can dial In that top-4 talent, you're gonna be pretty dynamic.

E


Fri Jul 28 2017 8:07 pm EST

I meant he'll be a 40-45 point dman in his career, but next year I think his offense takes a dip from last year's 39 points.

evets1980


Fri Jul 28 2017 8:04 pm EST

HOSPO... Like I said, I love Skjei, but I think 50-60 points for him is a bit of a stretch. I think his offense takes a bit of a dip next season and he'll be a 40-45 point dman. Again... I think I'd do it as a straight up trade or just about a straight up trade.

evets1980


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:41 pm EST

LEO: I can do both of those as well. MF: Come up with a good question regarding advanced stats and I'll add it.

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:34 pm EST

Leave Nashville with just over $6mill in Cap Space.. Will the RHS C FISHER re-up for another season? https://sports.yahoo.com/ryan-johansens-blockbuster-deal-set-predators-dynasty-210330329.html

mf


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:24 pm EST

Another offer sheet op passes Gorton by...Johansen signed, $8,000,000 for 8 years. Reasonable top line center $$ IF he produces as one. So far hit and miss in his career.

Rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:19 pm EST

VIC et al: anyone care to incorporate some advanced stats into the RFRCJC Contest? This may be a good way for the Clueless of the Clueless (me) to learn some of these statistics.. https://puckalytics.com/#/

mf


Fri Jul 28 2017 5:44 pm EST

Vic - I'd prefer to see the Rangers fight # be different players who get a fighting major (like a Darrell Reaves type having 12 fights versus 10 guys on the team each having one or two. That's the # I'm interested in). Also, I thought for sure your D'Angelo question would be something like Games Missed Due To Suspension vs something else (goals?). :)

LeoS


Fri Jul 28 2017 5:17 pm EST

Irving are you with a cow or a bull ? Go grazing

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 4:42 pm EST

St.Legs: does your husband know you talk like that on internet hockey chat boards? "Let's Go Rangers!"

mf


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:52 pm EST

R47: Sure I can look at that. However, the Rangers have been 48.4, 49.2, 46.7, 48.8, 50, and 49.9 over the last 6 years. Personally I think their faceoff percentage is going to go down this year, and maybe significantly. But, I could be wrong so I'll add in a few more levels.

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:37 pm EST

Irving you're the guy with the utters remember. Your not a bull you're a cow. Go fling some cow pies. Stop littering the wall. I call cow shit . That's not bs. Grow a pair or you'll be another Ava . Or do you remember and prefer Elsie?

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:34 pm EST

Rf sather had stamkos ask him . He let nylander walk what does that say ? He let have walk. The guy is a certifiable genius . He does his own certification.

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:30 pm EST

Vic: Looks good - if you're seeking more what about Chytil to start the season: NY/Hartford/Czech league/North Bay

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:27 pm EST

evets: Duchene will be an UFA in 2 years. That's one reason Sakic hasn't been able to trade him. He's asking for the moon for what could be a 2 year player.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:26 pm EST

Vic: #7 on team FO percentage seems too negative to me. Could we add a range of 50-53% and then 54% or higher?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:20 pm EST

EVETS - Still can't agree...Duchense is a 1-dimensional offensive center...SKJEI in another year will be a two way 50-60 point #1 D-man.unless the Rangers and AV waste him like they did in the POs...I just wouldn't do it but I see your arguments given what the Rangers have and don't have

Hospo


Fri Jul 28 2017 3:00 pm EST

HOSPO... I hear what you're saying about Skjei and Duchene. However, Duchene is still young at 26, while Skjei is 23. Admittedly, Duchene has been on a mess of a Colorado team and comes with baggage, but this is a player who scored 70 points in 71 games in the NHL just a few seasons ago. I LOVE Skjei and would be really sorry to see him go, but if it's in a trade that is close to straight up for Duchene, then I can get behind it. Duchene has been and can be a top flight NHL # 1 center in this league.

evets1980


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:57 pm EST

I just added MZA to the first traded question.

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:53 pm EST

Ok. Here is the list of questions so far. This is still a work in progress but I thought you might want to see it. (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20172018-pool-questions/)

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:37 pm EST

I think I got my DeANGELO question. Hang on, I'll post what I have so far....

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:37 pm EST

BTW, Duchene makes $6,000,000 - no way does he fit under the Rangers cap. Skjei, meanwhile, makes less than 1/6 of that.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:35 pm EST

Vic: How about will Beverly D'Angelo spend any time in Hartford this year?

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:34 pm EST

evets: If I'm parting with Skjei, I don't want Duchene, I want MacKinnon!

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:33 pm EST

Vic: How about "Has Beverly D'Angelo made a better movie than Vegas Vacation?". :)

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:28 pm EST

EVETS - Couldn't disagree with you more about dealing SKEJI..All those other guys you mention are nothing but potential...who knows if any make it to be serviceable NHLERs?....OTOH, the leap that SKJEI took last year where, on many nights he was the best d-man on the team and foreshadows even more improvement over the next 1-2 years where he might be the BEST RANGER on the roster..I know we have depth with MCD and Captn. Kirk but, IMWO, SKJEI will eclipse both....I wouldn't deal him for anything but a #1 big phsyical all around YOUNG center...and surely not a guy like DUCHENSE and his well noted baggage..

Hospo


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:22 pm EST

RF4L: Remember this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14Bvz3vI0yg

RDW


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:21 pm EST

Thanks LEO. I added a Rangers Team Total Fights question. VtRANGER, I added a Ranger Team Faceoff Percentage question. HOSPO, I added a TOTAL HITS from HAYES, ZBAD and DEHARNAIS Combined question. Anyone got a good question about DeANGELO?

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:13 pm EST

The more I think about it, the more willing I am to part with Skjei and maybe a middle pick or prospect in a deal for Duchene. The Rangers really stacked themselves up on defense. I'm not saying that any young Ranger defenseman will have the same impact that Skjei had this past year, but there are a lot of options in Bereglazov, DeAngelo, Day, Pionk, and Graves in terms of players who can step in. I really believe that once Duchene gets out of Colorado that his development and game will be jump started and he'll be back on track. Skjei and maybe a 3rd for Duchene. Miller-Duchene-Zuccarello, Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich, Vesey-Hayes-Nash, Grabner-Desharnais-Fast (when he gets back), McDonagh-Shattenkirk, Smith-Rookie, Staal-Rookie/Holden.

evets1980


Fri Jul 28 2017 2:08 pm EST

Legs, nice try... Don't be embarrassed son, come out of the closet... As long as you're a Ranger Fan you're safe here. This is a safe space for you. G-d only knows how the rest of the world puts up with you! :->) cheers.... When's your next show cutie?

mf


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:59 pm EST

Also, Gorton's attempt to address was securing the number 7 pick overall and drafting someone I assume he hopes develops into a number 1 centre. I know the naysayers of that trade have already decided Andersson's upside is Stepan II but they aren't making a living making such projections. We'll see how it plays out but maybe Gorton will succeed. I concur it doesn't address this year but he's thinking ahead as a good GM should be doing unless they honestly believe they have a legitimate cup contender.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:51 pm EST

stevie: I think you're being a bit too harsh on the Nob for Life. I think he understands the importance of a true number 1 centre (my goodness, how could he not?). It's just way easier to say 'I need one' vs getting one. They don't grow on trees. You get one via 1) Selecting high in the draft (re Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, etc) 2) Getting lucky later in the draft (re Getzlaf) 3) Trading for one 4) Signing an UFA. Regarding 3 and 4, number 1 centres are really, if ever, available for trade and once available via the UFA route, they're usually past their prime. The best route is number 1 - just gotta look around at the top centres in the league and almost all were drafted high (re Malkin, Crosby, McDavid, Stamkos, Tavares, Toews, Sedin - in his prime, Seguin, Matthews, etc). Not surprisingly, most are still with the team that drafted them. The Rangers in the Sather era had a chance at that but Sather being Sather misread what he had and rather than continuing what he started in 04, decided he had enough with JJ and his posse and in doing missed out on guys like Toews, Backstrom, Kane, Stamkos and Tavares. Imagine if he'd done the right thing - where would this organization be now with one of them anchoring the top line? *SIGH*

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:34 pm EST

For shits and grins, check out this youtube video: Last fight (number 1 on the list) I remember well!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0OMttl6izQ

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:25 pm EST

Moofy big difference talking out rear than taking it there.....doesn't make you a bad person.... when's your transgender operation?

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:23 pm EST

Irving this one is for you ....http://www.saigonbroadway.com/about-the-show/?gclid=CLSpoqfMrNUCFRaBswod9ZwAUg

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:19 pm EST

Rf the nyr have for too long not understood that centers rule the roost. Even back when sather let nylander walk and got Gomez and drury. A good center makes your line and team better. Fishboy cannot go with what he has and pray .

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:10 pm EST

Legs: ask and ye shall receive: https://www.playbillstore.com/kinky-boots-the-musical-broadway-poster.aspx

mf


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:09 pm EST

Ola: I thought Hospo would pick the Swede! ;^)

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:08 pm EST

stevie: re Nash and a centre: I've no doubt a true number centre would have helped Nash and not just in NY, but in Columbus, too. That has probably been Nob for Life's biggest failing as the Ranger architect, followed closely by never finding a legitimate offensive d-man. The fact that the club went as deep as it did a few years ago, given those 2 significant holes, is really quite an achievement. Now in year 2 of the Gorton era, those 2 holes remain, although perhaps Shattenkirk will address one of them. Tall order though because from where I sit, he's a notch or 2 below that level. Still, he's a huge upgrade over Nob's choice: Dan Boyle!

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 1:02 pm EST

Agreed that Sakic's inexplicable unwillingness to do anything makes him ridiculously inept and reminds me so much of what went wrong in Edmonton for so many years. Just look over there to the returns fetched for Eberle, Hall and Yakalot for clear evidence what happens to the perceived value of young assets when they are allowed to stagnant endlessly in a negative environment. Part of Sakic's fear is equaling the lousy return the Ryan O'Reilly trade fetched but that doesn't excuse it. Time is ticking away and so is the value of his assets. If I was the owner, I'd fire him.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:50 pm EST

OLA - Desharnais!! :).Shattenkirk will be love/hate...the other two don't matter........At the end of the year, will the Rangers top three centers (right now ZBAD, Hayes, Desharnais) total more games or more hits?

Hospo


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:49 pm EST

Vic my guess is #1 . Sakic is not a very good gm . That's probably his last job as a gm. He makes sather as nyr gm look like a genius .

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:44 pm EST

Is it a possibility if Nash has a better center than stepan then his numbers would be better? One thing for sure fishboy needs to replace stepan not just patch the hole he created. Bottom line he might have been better off keeping stepan fetchit and buying out staal along with girardi. Hindsight and talking out my rear are similar. ... duck he comes moofy.....

Stevielegs


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:42 pm EST

Who will Hospo hate first, Andersson, DeAngelo or Shattenkirk? Who will be the first player Brooks mention in connection with a transaction, besides Holden and Staal?

Ola


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:41 pm EST

TD-agree to disagree. I don't think the guy is on the way out at 33. Do I think he's disappointed in the playoffs-yes. So did Stepan this year huge. Do I think Nash is too nice-absolutely. I honestly think concussions have changed his game tremendously-and I can't blame a guy for being a bit more passive. I bet Lindros regrets not doing same. That said-he's still a very good 2-way player-not a 7.8mm, but not a 4mm either. I see him getting 6mm after this deal is done at least-probably a 3 yr deal. And in his walk year-he will be incented.

puckyou


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:40 pm EST

How many Ranger centers will win more than 50.0% of their faceoffs this season (500 total faceoffs minimum)? 0, 1, 2, 3 or 4?

VtRanger


Fri Jul 28 2017 12:37 pm EST

Vic - Googling around I found this: http://www.hockeyfights.com/teams/20 which then has a regular season - leaders link. Don't now if it's updated as the season goes or compiled at the end of the season. Fwiw, we had 10 different players fight last year, at least half of which aren't returning. Brendan Smith led the playoffs, with 2.

LeoS


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:44 am EST

Here is my favorite question so far:....Point Differential between Colorado and Las Vegas?...1. LV has the same or more points...2. Colorado has 1 to 10 more points...3. Colorado has 11 to 20 more points...4. Colorado has 21 to 30 more points...5. Colorado has 31 to 40 more points...6. Colorado has 41 or more points

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:42 am EST

Leo: Is there a good site that shows stats on penalties like that? If not it will be really hard to track.

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:36 am EST

How many different Rangers will be assessed a fighting major? Maybe that vs. wins for Ondrej.

LeoS


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:29 am EST

Will Stepan win the Hart or Art Ross? Or both

RDW


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:28 am EST

Who wins the cup (can you provide a drop down of the 31 teams from which to select)?

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:26 am EST

Who'll win the scoring title (Crosby/McDavid/Matthews/Stepan/other)

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:25 am EST

Will the Yotes, led by the fabulous Derek Stepan, make the POs?

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:24 am EST

Who'll finish first in the metrosexual division?

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:15 am EST

Oops - Should have read Lingderg in LV! How about # of points for LV?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:13 am EST

Anything compelling from around the league? Any player or team related questions you guys are thinking about?

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:12 am EST

How many games does the King show up wearing his skinny jeans? 0-10, 11-20, 21-30, 30+

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:12 am EST

Does Nash get moved by the deadline? Yes/No.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:11 am EST

Does AV get fired before the season ends: Y/N.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 11:10 am EST

How many points does the fabulous Derek Stepan get for the Yotes is another good one.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 10:49 am EST

Awesome! Keep em' coming. I already had RAANTA vs HANK in starts but I like doing a wins comparison as well. I could do it as a straight "How many wins" type question or do it as a RAATA wins vs. FAST points" type question. I've got a STEPAN vs. ZBAD in points question but I like the Point Per Game angle. I'll go back and look at his performance historically and develop some ranges. The other questions you guys posted have been added except the Top 6 questions because the Rangers lines are too difficult to differentiate.

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 10:42 am EST

# of Raanta wins?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 10:41 am EST

How about goals or points for Lindberg in Coyoteland?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 10:18 am EST

VIC - the one I'm waiting on most is Derek Stepan points-per-game played (giving leeway for injury this way), same/better/worse than last season. Maybe we can also predict how long his longest goalless drought will be this season :) And I second the McI how many if any NHL games played this year.

LeoS


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:58 am EST

Over/under: How many games does Grabner start on a top 6 line?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:56 am EST

Over/under: How many games does Fast start on a top 6 line?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:48 am EST

Who scores more goals - McD or Skjei?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:43 am EST

How many goals does Shattenkirk score: 0 to 10, 11 to 15, 16 to 20, 20+

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:42 am EST

Does McI play an NHL game this year.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:27 am EST

How about who scores more goals - Vesey or Buch?

Ranger47


Fri Jul 28 2017 9:19 am EST

Ok folks. It is that time of year again. Time to start thinking of possible pool questions for this year's pool. I am compiling a list of them right now. I have a bunch already but am always open to any ideas you may have. What questions would you like to see in this year's pool?

Vic


Fri Jul 28 2017 8:04 am EST

TD - I know that I post like 2-3 times per year. But I for one SPECIFICALLY said Nash and his 3 goals all playoffs cost us the cup in 2014. Shit, if he just had 3 more goals (a measly 6 over 24 games), one in each of finals OT games...then he's a Ranger icon. So, not everybody here gave him a pass.

limbo


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:50 am EST

It'll be approximately 2.1, 2.1, 3.1, 3.9, 1.4, 1.4, 1.4, 1.4. NOw add that to G's 2.6, 3.6, 3.6, 1.1, 1.1, 1.1 and YIKES! That's eliminating a mid line player from your roster for the next 4 years.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:45 am EST

Melfred: I think the 3 day window for another round of buyouts opens today. Can't see them doing it - huge 8 year cap hit if so and coupled with G's cost, it'll be like 5 years of $5,000,000 of dead cap space (re the cost of Z), then 3 more years of $1,400,000. Thank goodness Nob for Life isn't negotiating contracts anymore.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:43 am EST

Just read the scouting report on Butcher - he sounds very much like the sort of d-man AV cherishes. He's not big (5'11" and 190) but apparently has wheels and puck moving ability. Other reports suggests he needs some time in the AHL but is definitely a NHL calibre d-man. Given that, it's a no-brainer that Gorton pursue him but as TD cites, there's bigtime competition ahead of him. I guess it comes down to this: How important is it to the kid to play in the NHL now? I recall similar noise a couple of years back about a kid named Mike Reilly. Well fast forward to today and he's still struggling to establish himself as an NHL regular - 2 years of up and down between the Wild and their AHL club, with about a 1/3 to 2/3s split in that regard.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:38 am EST

Been traveling, assuming we did not buy out Staal?

melvillefred


Fri Jul 28 2017 7:31 am EST

I concur that overall Rick Nash's Ranger career has been disappointing. That isn't to say he's been lousy - he hasn't. But he was brought in by Nob for Life and is making $7,800,000 to score and he only did that one season and even then, after getting mugged by Zach Bogosian, he disappearing down the stretch and then into the POs. And really, it's been the latter where he really came up short. I think it's reasonable to speculate that he had scored in the POs like the Nob was envisioning when he made that trade, the Ranger/King cup final would have been different. I'm not going to go as far as laying the blame directly on Nash for no cup that year - it was a lousy team effort offensively (i.e. how many golden opportunities did Kreider miss - too many to remember now) - but 73 Ranger PO games and 14 goals? When you're paid to score? Talk about classic under-achieving. Nash has tons of skill and comes in a big physical package. To me his short fall is he's just too nice a guy. I do believe he cares but he lacks the drive and competitiveness top end successful players have. He is not a leader, in other words. He is a contributor and on a team when a true leader with skill exists, I've no doubt he would have fared much better. Ultimately, however, the blame falls on the Nob for Life for trading for him in the first place. It's certainly not a horrible trade but Sather thought he was getting a different player. Sather didn't do his research thoroughly. Investing the assets he did and adding to the payroll the contract he did, he should have spent more time and energy delving into Nash's personality. No pressure Columbus was really Nash's hay days - lousy team with a scarcity of talent and minimal PO hopes. Completely different in New York. I recall supporting the trade (although I disagreed having to add the 1st rounder but that was the start of Sather's flitting away high picks for poor returns) but I'm not an insider like Sather is (or should be). A good GM, when considering making such a significant trade, needs to do his homework and that includes going way deeper than scouting reports. I, too, expect this to be Nash's final season as a Ranger and it may not even last past the trading deadline. What will be interesting, seeing as is indeed a contract year, is if Nash steps it up as he seeks what could be his final NHL contract next summer - if so, advantage Rangers.

rf4l


Fri Jul 28 2017 6:44 am EST

mf - I'd LOVE for the Rangers to land BUTCHER. He's a solid player and would be a great add...but realistically speaking, they're so loaded on the left, he'd be a fool to sign in New York. Not unless of course they somehow ended up moving two or all three of SKJEI, STAAL and HOLDEN...Even then, you have BEREGLAZOV who will supposedly bolt back to the K if the doesn't make the Rangers and SMITH who is playing his off-hand...But Butcher is the type of D any team would want. Great transition player. Rock on defense. Actually would fit in great with guys like McD, Skjei and Smith. Not sure where Butch will end up...heard maybe Detroit and there was an argument out there that the Devils will go hard after him...NTM...if the Leafs are looking for a solid lefty to import into the system, he fits the bill...and if you're a young player out of the NCAA, that's the type of team you want to sign with...regardless, signing him would be a coup. It's just never going to happen.

tdchi


Fri Jul 28 2017 6:36 am EST

PUCKYOU - Well, if you think NASH has a lot left in the tank and will end up scoring 40-plus goals again, then I agree: He's worth more than $4 million. I, however, believe he'll struggle to get 30 goals again...Think it's realistic to count on Nash for 20-25 goals if he stays healthy for most of the season...and there's point two: Can he stay healthy? That's another big question mark. Will some team give him a big contract? Probably. Won't be the Rangers though. The guy has skill. There's no question about it. But he's never been and never will be a game changer...as for STEPAN and ZIBANEJAD...different players...I would take Stepan's contract every day of the week and twice on Sunday over what we're paying Nash. And I'll go a step further, no pun intended...I'd take Step at $6.5 million over Nash at $6.5 million over and over again...And another thing...You do realize that both Step and Z are at the prime of their careers and Nash is basically exiting his, right? Again...if you agree with E and think this guy has another seven or eight years in him...sure he's worth a big contract. I don't. I see his point totals and his goal scoring dropping steadily...I also want to point out that last spring, when the Rangers were struggling to put up goals...you know who didn't take any criticism? Rick Nash. Why? Because it's just generally assumed that the guy is going to be a zero in the playoffs. Everyone here just gave the guy a nice little free pass just like he always gets. Shrugged it off...meh...just Rick being Rick. Again. Playoff zero. Captain Clutchless. So yeah, I think $4 million is a fair value for that kind of player.

tdchi


Thu Jul 27 2017 11:10 pm EST

Hobey Baker winner Will Butcher was drafted by the Avalanche but will not sign with them before Aug. 15, when he's eligible to test the open market....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/avalanche-in-danger-of-losing-defense-prospect-butcher

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 10:25 pm EST

Destination HOLDEN: Anaheim, Chicago, Florida, only have 2 LHS Dmen currently signed (there could be others) and Holden won't break the bank...

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 10:01 pm EST

hip: Buch has the makings of a top end forward for sure. He's still a work in progress so it still could go one way or the other. This year will be interesting - I am anticipating 20 goals, barring injury of course.

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 9:57 pm EST

One thing I love to watch with Buch is his fearless creativity stickhandling straight line to the net even directly through/at the defender. His hands and shot didn't look like a typical Ranger Rookie. When he gets stronger, more experienced & heightens his confidence, it's all over, budding star on Broadway Baby!!!

hipcheck


Thu Jul 27 2017 9:52 pm EST

Still think Vesey or Fast could easily make the transition to Center, and totally thrive there! JMO

hipcheck


Thu Jul 27 2017 9:51 pm EST

With Buch I'm expecting incremental improvements. Shock you with some of his skills than grumble at some of his bonheaded mistakes. Thing is, you can't teach his skill set and he just needs time to figure out his way. Vesey looked pretty polished and even when he wasn't contributing on the sheet he was keeping it N-S and putting pucks on net, finish his checks and hustle.

E


Thu Jul 27 2017 9:41 pm EST

So now we have rumors that the NYR are again shopping Nick Holden... My .02 cents on all the Bozak/Holden trade rumors(because I'm totally bored tonight).... Firstly, I wonder if the Leafs want Holden at all. I'm starting to think we're making them take him because we need to get rid of the payroll. The guy I think they really want for Bozak is Ryan Graves. There have been a few rumors that he was involved in the deal, but they were several days apart.... Graves more fits the bill for what TO initially wanted. There was also a couple of reports that the NYR were balking at the 2nd round pick. They wanted to do a 3rd and TO was asking for a 2nd. Are the new Holden being shopped rumors to tease TO and make them think we're going elsewhere or is it to take Holden out of the deal and make it more palatable for us? BTW, If Holden does get traded(not to TO), I'd expect us to get a 3rd or 4th Rounder for him (going out on a real limb there). Hopefully, we'll find out in the next few days.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:50 pm EST

mf: Agreed on Vesey and Buch. Either way steps up and it could make a big difference. Both step up and it would make a big difference.

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:47 pm EST

MF... Don't EVER lose your sense of humor.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHPOzQzk9Qo

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:41 pm EST

Girardi will get 2.6, 3.6 and 3.6 from the Rangers while drawing his $3,000,000 from Tampa, meaning he's ahead of the game via the buyout (and has moved to a team better positioned for a cup). Staal will fare at least $2,000,000 more a season if bought out. There is a less than zero chance he'll agree to waive his NMC. BTW, where are all the Nob for Life strokers these days?

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:37 pm EST

dare = draw

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:36 pm EST

bB: Not likely. The one from the previous CBA was a way of placating the rich teams who'd handed out those front loaded deals that were, in the spirit of competitive balance, in defiance of the agreement. Buttman was fixated on ensuring this current CBA had strict rules to ensure such manipulating didn't occur again - hence the massive financial penalties introduced if/when said players 'retired' with a few years left (and little money remaining to be paid them). At the same time, because the bulk of the teams that had them were the rich teams and therefore, the owners with clout, something had to be included to allow them to escape that penalty. If not, those owners likely wouldn't have accepted Buttman's deal (like I've been saying, Buttman cares not much about the entertainment quality of the game, but that doesn't mean he's not shrewd/bright). Perhaps this time around, there will be introduced rules to limit lengths of contracts but I'd assume if so, those existing as the new CBA kicks in would be grandfathered. Buttman's motivation is all about an equal playing field and in sports that equates to lowering the overall level of quality. Hockey on its own doesn't dare the average American sports fan so Buttman needs to gimmick the game to keep what little interest exists from not disappearing altogether (in 75% of the NHL's American market).

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:31 pm EST

So Girardi gets 3mm per AFTER buyout? And TD - you think Nash is only worth $4mm after his contract expires? He scored 42 goals 3 seasons ago when healthy-2nd in the league to OV- and nobody will pay him? Stepan is worth 6.5- can't score for 20+ games in a row,can't win faceoffs, doesn't hit and is slower than most NHL forwards-but Nash I worth only 4? All these forwards getting 5mm+This off season, guys who never potted 30 goals,, Mika 5.3, and Nash isn't worth more than 4? Sorry, but I'd be absolutely shocked if that's all he could get from the 30 other teams. The KHL would pay him more.

PUCKYOU


Thu Jul 27 2017 7:58 pm EST

I think that 2 interesting things to look forward to are 1) Jimmy Vesey's 2nd year in the league and 2) a healthy Pavel Buchnevich.... Vesey seems very focused and serious about his personal development and it wouldn't surprise me to see and read that he's coming to camp in the best shape of his life.... I hope the Pavel Buchnevich has figured a way to get his back healed and can last a full 82.. He could be our wild-card up front which could have a ripping effect throughout the lines. Let's hope so... Some GP stat's from last season: Buch 41 gp, Vesey 80gp, Pirri 60 gp, Puempel 40 gp, Glass 11 gp, Lindberg 65 gp....

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 7:49 pm EST

RF4L: the likelihood of there being another lockout is high from what i hear... thus wouldnt a compliance buy out period follow? g+s salaries go bye bye, no?

bLUEbLOOD


Thu Jul 27 2017 7:31 pm EST

RF: Girardi signed a 2 yr deal worth $3mill per..

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 7:25 pm EST

Rhet: how about the Rangers buying me out?..... As for Mr. & Mrs. Douchead, why not ask your pal Hopping Mad what he thinks of the situation?

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 6:54 pm EST

I don't think the New York Rangers are really looking for a splash and bring back an elite center. Even if they aren't elite but are damn good like Duchene I just don't know if that is the path. Frankly, I'm cool with the New York Rangers scoring a good 2-way center who has skill, speed, and F/O ability. Someone who you would love to see give you 30-40 points. But, its a position that I really want to see someone with real wheels here. Because you are going to have some combination of JT, Fast, and Grabner. But this playoffs I noticed guys like Shaw-Ott, Wingels- and I think it was Burrows just got buried by the NYR 3rd line. I'd like to see someone who can make that even faster. And of course play the PK with Grabner.

E


Thu Jul 27 2017 5:57 pm EST

BTW buying out both G and S puts a huge cap drag on the team for too many years. Cannot see it happening. And to think so many Ranger fans so often lauded Nob for Life. Talk about short-sightedness.

Rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 5:55 pm EST

So G got what from Tampa? $4,000,000/year? What would Staal get if he's bought out? At least $1,000,000 more. Makes 0 financial sense to agree to waive his NMC. I suspect e'd only agree if he's subjected to endless benchings and pressboxing this year and would the Rangers do that purposely? If his play warrants it I hope so; if it's to force his hand I think (and hope) not.

Rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 5:49 pm EST

Rhet...better question is why did Mrs Douchead agree to take her husband's surname?

Rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 5:48 pm EST

Just thought I'd mention that the NYR will have a 48 hour window starting tomorrow to buy out up to three players.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 27 2017 5:45 pm EST

Who is this Douchead guy? Does he realize that his name almost spells out Douche-head. How unfortunate for him. What where Mr. and Mrs Douchead thinking?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 27 2017 4:50 pm EST

No to Staal & Skjei for Douchead... The only way I see Staal moving his NTC is to be with Carolina, Minny, or maybe a Toronto or Edmonton....... I think Staal is an excellent depth player to have, my issue is the same as with Nash, too many dollars.. But if a McDonagh or Skjei get hurt, Staal can play 1st pair minutes and thats some good insurance..... Can make a case for or against having M.Staal on the roster......

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 4:45 pm EST

TD: Got to figure that the NYR's will have discussions with NASH about his vision for his future.... If we're Not playoff bound, of course you trade him at the deadline.. Nash on a 2-3 year new contract up to $5mill (permitting we get the rest of the roster signed) seems to be reasonable. At least to me it is

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 4:17 pm EST

Huh...so this guy at Blueshirt Banter brings up an interesting scenario...kind of roll my eyes whenever DUCHENE'S name comes up, simply because Sakic wants the sun, the moon, the stars and several undiscovered universes for a guy who has an anecdotal rep for being a selfish showboat...still, imagine STAAL and SKJEI for Doosh. SMITH then falls into line on the left and if HOLDEN remains a Ranger, he slides down to third pairing...But the big stopper here is that you still need Staal to waive his NTC...as the author rightly suggests: Highly unlikely. But it makes sense: https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/7/27/16020408/nhl-trade-rumors-new-york-rangers-a-matt-duchene-trade-make-sense

tdchi


Thu Jul 27 2017 3:18 pm EST

NASH is a good player...he just isn't worth A. even half of what he is getting paid; and B. even half of what the Rangers traded for him. He never became the player the Rangers needed him to be...and that will be his legacy...I'm also not sure that I agree with the notion that he's aging well...his possession metrics have hit the shitcan in recent years...and his goals per game average has steadily declined. Nash will be gone at the end of the year. If they're not in the playoff hunt, they'll try to trade him. If they are, they'll probably let him walk for nothing. He's going to command $4 million plus...And he'll simply not be worth it for the Rangers to re-up.

tdchi


Thu Jul 27 2017 3:05 pm EST

E: agree on Nash. I just want to explore any way to improve the club for this season and the immediate future... On the heels of talking about tendering an offer sheet to another club's star RFA's, I see a lateral opportunity in offering 1,2,3, years consecutive 1st rounders to acquire a star from a club which may be rebuilding or on the cusp of a rebuild.... We'd be parting with the draft picks either way....

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 2:06 pm EST

Markov is old and slow and doesn't deserve near the dollars he's asking for. The KHL is where he belongs now. Bye bye!

rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 1:41 pm EST

And in a similar vain, JAGR? Really? Although his possession metrics are pretty off the charts. Still...

tdchi


Thu Jul 27 2017 1:37 pm EST

SPOONER? Really? Did I read that? Nah...

tdchi


Thu Jul 27 2017 1:21 pm EST

TSN Hockey‏Verified account @TSNHockey ....... BREAKING: Former @CanadiensMTL D Andrei Markov says he turned down NHL offers, will return to Russia to play in KHL http://bit.ly/2uCt6fp

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 27 2017 1:20 pm EST

Irving .... Moof and sing along....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dsxtImDVMig

Stevielegs


Thu Jul 27 2017 12:39 pm EST

MF: I personally think Nash is going to age well. His speed is still there and even when his hands age out he's so useful in so many other ways I'd like him to stay around. He's in my opinion one of the least appreciated NYR players in many ways. There isn't too many scenarios that you'd ever pause at sending him over the boards for. But $$$$ talks.

E


Thu Jul 27 2017 12:03 pm EST

mf: Stepan may SUCK but I love ya man!

rf4L


Thu Jul 27 2017 11:25 am EST

Lot of love on this Wall

mf


Thu Jul 27 2017 11:08 am EST

Bring back Jagr!

tradestar28


Thu Jul 27 2017 10:52 am EST

And what ever happened to the proposed 'can't leave your feet to block a shot' rule? Did common sense actually prevail in that instance? Score one for the league, if so.

LeoS


Thu Jul 27 2017 10:50 am EST

To fully appreciate the brilliance of the replay rule, get s load of the 8" device they give the refs to look at replays on. Says it all right there, imo.

LeoS


Thu Jul 27 2017 10:06 am EST

I'll pass on Spooner, thanks.

thedoc85


Thu Jul 27 2017 9:09 am EST

Ryan Spooner just re-upped in Boston for $2,850,000. Bruins seeking a d-man. Holden for Spooner over Bozak? Thoughts?

Rf4l


Thu Jul 27 2017 8:02 am EST

rhat he works for the wall with his mooferator , and he's overpaid at zero. he owes the wall money and aspirin. he'd give an aspirin a headache!

stevielegs


Thu Jul 27 2017 3:25 am EST

MF.... They should make an off-topic wall just for your trade proposals. Please, for the love of all that is holy, don't give up your day job :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 26 2017 10:19 pm EST

MFred: Hall has 3 yrs remaining on this contract, make that Nash & 3 yrs of 1st rounders for Hall....

mf


Wed Jul 26 2017 8:53 pm EST

MF Nash and 2 1st rounders for Taylor Hall????!!!'

melvillefred


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:56 pm EST

KIS: well, perhaps the NYR's should see what they can get for Mr.Nash... Now I like Nash, and I like him on this team, and I'd re-sign him to a team friendly contract extension... I don't like himat $7.8mill and .57 ppg http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/2288

mf


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:46 pm EST

MF, Hell with that position yourself for JT if your going to play fantasy league

KIs


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:38 pm EST

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/07/26/why-sparing-marc-staal-is-rangers-only-route-to-maple-leafs-center/amp/

Stevielegs


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:50 pm EST

Bob: could we send Nash and the next 2 years 1st rounders to the Debbies for Taylor Hall? They're rebuilding and Hall is already 26 or 27

mf


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:48 pm EST

Rhet, yeah they considered it and passed.. They bought out Girardi instead, who wrote this nonesense? Bullocks says me, a load of Bullucks! Trade him or keep him is what they will do for at least this season. I'll bet a medium size decaf on it, that'll be black no sugar, "sugar!"

mf


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:45 pm EST

Bob, if Gorton can create a little additional cap space, we can offer to take on the final year of Tim Gleasons buyout from Toronto in addition to Holden for Bozak.. Gleasons buyout is $1,333,333 and wil then leave the Leafs $46K over the cap.... we may be able to command a better return, "may"

mf


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:45 pm EST

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..... The NYR are considering buying out Marc Staal...... Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:28 pm EST

If they can deal MZA for a sniper type player....or for a #1 I am all for it. One of the problems with the Rangers forwards is that there are too many fancy passers and not enough shooters. Not that I don't like Zucc, but he is such a pass first guy and if he plays with Hayes.....nobody will shoot the puck.

Bob


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:25 pm EST

Bob: That's what I thought, too. Add Bozak's salary and subtract Holden's and the Rangers are under by a few 100,000 dollars. Too tight IMO so if they crave Bozie someone else has to go, hence my musing about MZA and his $4,500,000 contract. Not that I feel it'll happen or is the right thing to do...

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:23 pm EST

Brooksie is making up a lot of stuff to bring the Rangers to cap hell. They are $3MM under. There is no indication that they are going to carry all those extras, and no need for them to. Just dealing Holden might not get the enough space for Bozak, but it is close, not way off.

Bob


Wed Jul 26 2017 5:44 pm EST

So LB strongly stating no Bozak to NY due to cap issues. I get the cap issues for sure and posted about them yesterday but his calculations are different from mine. He is also echoing what Carp and Cerney have been tweeting about Chytil not going to the AHL this fall. LB, however, has not been too accurate lately, has he? LOL!

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 5:28 pm EST

E: Yeah, you'd think there is better technology. But the idea behind it is to make up for linesman making mistakes. Needing some state of the art sensor to detect a tiny glimpse of an off-side is totally going over the top to address. Common sense says with all the camera angles, including one specifically at each blueline, if 4 officials need 1000 views/reviews to get TRY to get it right, it's way too small a gap to even consider. Give the review a minute and then no decision, it's the play stands and the team calling for the challenge gets a 2 minute penalty. Way too courageous for Buttman's NHL however.

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 5:17 pm EST

Whatever dude, whatever. Stepan SUCKS!

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 5:13 pm EST

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/07/26/hartnett-rangers-jaromir-jagr-reunion/#.WXi8AvRiAKA.facebook

Stevielegs


Wed Jul 26 2017 4:37 pm EST

RF4L - I call them how I see them. And what's hilarious is that you only happen to remember the guys I'm wrong on. I'm not even going to bother with the list of "right" because it's not worth my time. What I will say is that I watch players. I see attributes in them I like. I post about it. Better than to not see a player at all and make some BS assumption that he's a bust or that some coach doesn't like his playing style...And yeah...when you say something as stupid as "STEPAN is going to be bought out in two year" I'm going to point it out. That's just stupid talk. Total nonsense. You want to disagree with me about where Step is in the league, how good of a player he is, go ahead. It's a free world. But that he's going to be bought out? HA!

tdchi


Wed Jul 26 2017 4:14 pm EST

I've been advocating a penalty on the challenge. I don't think it's expensive enough right now. I hate that every goal off of the rush sees a challenge and the amount of rest time is greater than if you were calling a timeout. It's all upside with no risk . In the NFL losing a timeout genuinely hurts. That's not the case in the NHL. Long term, offsides, pucks across lines are all things that technology can answer. Leave it to San Jose fans but someone once mentioned to me that a thin sensor, no thicker than piece of copper foil could be put inside the puck and just use a technological sensor and you'll never again need a replay on whether a goal was scored. Doesn't matter if you can't see the puck. If it's hidden in the glove and it crosses the line? Sensors don't lie. I'm sure long term you could also use a similar tech to judge whether a play is offsides. I leave it to the tech guys but I think the point is that we have Teslas driving around on automatic pilot everywhere racking millions of miles annually, ensuring the integrity of the game should be a no brainer by comparison.

E


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:57 pm EST

Many coaches are very bright and understand the game deeply and spends hours figuring out ways to gain advantages over their counterparts. Given the bloated number of teams in the league and the resulting lack of skilled players to go around, not to mention the refusal of the league to provide their officials the best opportunities to call the rules as they exist, most coaches spend that time trying to figure out how to prevent goals. That's understandable because in the NHL it's easier to build and introduce strategies to stifle offense vs creating it. The NHL should be recognizing that and looking continually at ways to counteract that. Of course, that's not the case. Doing so risks opening up the game and widening in the standings the gap between the haves and have-nots. That's contrary to what Buttman wants. Lowest common element Gary...what a nob. He's a very smart nob, mind you, and a very rich nob at that. But when it comes to icing a quality hockey product from a pure hockey entertainment perspective, he gives not 2 shits.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:48 pm EST

Why not change the diving penalty to 4 minutes? Diving is such a cowardly act it deserves more than 2 minutes. So often the diving call is made along with an infraction on the other side because an infraction occurred but the victim embellishes. That crap will reduce bigtime when coaches start losing games because a player is embellishing.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:46 pm EST

And why not, instead of losing a timeout if the challenge fails, change that to 2 minute penalty? That eliminates the coaching tactic (I've seen coaches make the challenge late in a game to give their players a rest).

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:44 pm EST

There's several reasons why the NFL is the by far the most successful pro sports league in NA but one of the biggest is the willingness of those running the league to make rule changes, to the point where they will retract the rule after 1 year if they deem it unsuccessful. I'm not saying the league doesn't have it's problems but to me they are genuinely interested in upgrading the entertainment quality of their game, not dragging it down to the lowest common element. Meanwhile, the stupid NHL introduces an ice-side challenge that quickly morphed into a coaching tactic as much as anything else and all too often creates an extended boring and stupid delay of the game. And what are they doing about it? Nothing. I get why it was introduced. Imagine losing a cup because a goal that was clearly off-side was missed? But geesh, if a bunch of officials cannot see after 1000 different angles if someone was off-side, then there's no way a linesman is ever going to see anyways so tweak the rule to say 'if no decision can be made in 1 minute the ruling on the ice stands'? Idiots. Led by what's his puke.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:32 pm EST

E: To think about the entertainment quality of the game. He's all about lowering the competitive level so the lousy teams appear to be better than they are. It's why we're seeing now such a reduction of goals - keep the skilled players at bay so the teams with the most don't dominate the teams with the least. The officials let so much go. I realize part of that is the speed of the game but instead of doing nothing, why not institute changes to help them? Why not try something like putting 1 ref in the pressbox mic'd to the other and give him 10 seconds of replay time to quickly review something? 100% better? Resolve all the issues? Of course not, but try something. No, the NHL prefers it this way and it's orchestrated by that man. At least a third of the NHL loses money and another third doesn't make any money. Those figures would worsen if the way the game was run allowed the teams with skill to shine. But the quality of hockey would be better. It's why the ridiculous 3 point game exists - inferior teams appear to be in the PO race way longer this way. In the end tho, they are out. Statistical analysis shows that something like 80% of the PO vs non-PO teams reflected around American Thanksgiving is how it ends up at year's end. What a farce. That's Buttman.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 2:20 pm EST

RF: with no disrespect but isn't that what you want Bettman to be?

E


Wed Jul 26 2017 2:00 pm EST

Bob: Oh yeah, totally agree with you on that Napolean clone Buttman. He's all about $$ first, second and third. Everything else, including the actual game of hockey, is of way less importance despite what weasel words come out of his mouth.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 12:25 pm EST

RF4L--Good points all. But an league where the commish can get a deal that penalizes teams for cap recapture on contracts that were legal and ALREADY SIGNED prior to the CBA being agreed to.....and the club owners going along with that......I would not put it past Buttman. He has already engineered 3 lockouts and tried to use the Olympics as leverage to squeeze more out of the players, so buckle your belts for the next lockout unless the players foolishly cave. NHL players are woefully underpaid versus the other sports and the league has done a shockingly dreadful job growing the game and with TV contracts everywhere but in Canada.

Bob


Wed Jul 26 2017 12:02 pm EST

BTW, Carp tweeting this AM that Chytil will play either for North Bay or in the Czech league - the AHL is out. Dunno what his source is, however.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 11:51 am EST

Bob: If the NHL had guts and foresight, the CBA would allow teams to officially trade cap space as an asset. It happens pseudo-ly today (re Pronger to the Yotes) but think about this: Each team has $75,000,000 to spend - that's nearly $1,600,000,000 in total. That ceiling is never reached because so many teams don't spend to the cap. What is a team that doesn't could use their not spent allotment as an asset and say, trade $10,000,000 for the next 4 years to the Leafs so they could afford to pay all of Matthews, Nylander and Marner? Yes it would mean the Leafs payroll would be $85,000,000 but because they are amongst the wealthiest teams in the league, they'd still turn a profit. The team trading away that space would get young players/prospects/picks in return and if done right, by the time those a bearing fruit and more money is required to keep them, the 4 years of cap space traded away ends. It circumvents to a certain degree the spirit of a level playing field but it puts more money into the NHL pot overall. It's probably too far-sighted for the stupid league tho.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 11:44 am EST

Bob: Tough to stop that one. I could see the banning of trading injured players - that would have prevented the Clarkson for Horton deal of going through. That said, it's also a way for teams to get to the cap floor. Arizona traded for an all but retired Chris Pronger to add $6,000,000 to their cap and because Pronger was injured, they didn't have to actually pay him. Hell, look at what they did with Detroit - traded for right to have Pavel D's cap hit even tho they didn't have pay him because he was the KHL. Funny how that happened yet the Rangers get out from under KK's cap hit because he retired then promptly signed a pro contract in Europe. Why didn't Pavel and the Wings do that?

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 11:40 am EST

tlats: Now that makes more sense, unless the Leafs eat some of Bozie's salary which makes no sense because if he goes for someone like Holden, it's for cap relief more than anything else. IMO, it had better not be a 2nd - too many of those have been coughed up like cat fur balls lately.

rf4L


Wed Jul 26 2017 11:31 am EST

NHL Rumors @NHLRumorsDaily · 6m Looking like IF, and I say IF a deal is reached soon between NYR and TOR, it would look like Holden and a 2nd or 3rd I'm hearing for Bozak

tlats


Wed Jul 26 2017 11:18 am EST

The Leafs are leaders in cap circumvention. The players get to go on LTIR and get their cash. Wonder what Buttman will pull after the next lockout to remedy this situation.

Bob


Wed Jul 26 2017 8:18 am EST

And I gotta say, despite being a Leaf fan (not like my devotion to the Rangers mind you) I do think their current cap dilemma is a little bit of what goes around comes around. One of the practices instilled under the Shanaplan was to demote or LTIR expensive veterans in order to start making room for the younger players and to create cap space. The LTIR stuff was really unprecedented. At one point the Leafs had 4 or 5 highly paid veterans on it. It started when the Leafs traded David Clarkson and his stupid contract to Columbus for Nathan Horton just so Horton could go on the LTIR and free up $5,500,000 of cap space. That move was engineered by the previous regime. Shortly thereafter, Shanahan was hired and under his watch that practice was expanded. His first move was banishing Stephane Robidas, an UFA signing from the previous regime, to LTIR. Next was Lopul and that prompted the Toronto media to start calling it Robidas Island. It got so bad even JVR was on it - he hurt his foot part way 2 seasons ago and could have returned but the Leafs kept him there so free up space for late season youth look-sees. Now it's come full circle and biting them a bit in the ass. It will be amusing to see them have to trade an asset for less that its value due to a cap crunch that is a direct result of carrying nearly $11,000,000 for 2 players you have zero intentions of ever dressing again.

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 8:03 am EST

Rhet: The bottom line from a Leafs perspective if they have to clear some salary in the next several weeks so you know something indeed is up. And they haven't resigned Connor Brown yet, who's predicted to get $3,000,000/season. If the Rangers are Bozak's only real suitor Gorton has leverage for sure. That said, Gorton has to be careful or he'll put the Rangers in the same situation, unless as I mused yesterday, he's got something else cooking, like MZA for youth/picks.

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:58 am EST

TD: Look, you consistently overhype Ranger prospects. Haggerty is but one example. For 2 to 3 years you kept predicting McI would be a regular on the Rangers backline, probably top 4. That kid who was paired with Sean Gotstobehere you gushed about. Almost every collegiate UFA the Rangers sign you wax poetic about and only one (Matt Gilroy) has ever played in the big leagues for the Rangers. And that's just fine. As I said yesterday, despite what you clearly believe, you're not an expert. You're wrong quite often yet I'm not on here calling your predictions 'stupid' or 'hilarious'. So yeah, I get a little defensive when a post of mine is mocked. Cry me a river dude. And you know what? Your explanation about your disagreement on my thoughts that Stepan will end up getting bought out this morning is much more tactful, until, of course, you being you, you ended it with 'that's just stupid talk right there'. I guess you just cannot help yourself.

rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:23 am EST

The big difference between having a guy like MALHOTRA and BLACKBURN on a pro roster and doing the same with ANDERSSON and CHYTIL is that both the latter are eligible to play in the AHL. You can argue why they belong in the CHL until you're blue in the face and some of your arguments would be solidly rooted in fact...but truth is, the Rangers would be stupid not to keep all of their avenues open as these kids break into the pros...and that includes playing in New York or Hartford. They send them to the CHL or Europe and it's goodbye until April at the earliest. The equation gets even queerer when you factor in playoff eligibility. If they send CHYTIL to the Battalion, and he suddenly starts looking like the next Wayne Gretzky...well, you're pretty much SOL if his team goes deep. Can't bring him back for a playoff run. And there's a very good chance(maybe even 100 percent) that he won't be eligible for the NHL playoffs at all...Again, I don't necessarily agree with them bringing the new kids to the NHL or AHL...but that's what they're going to do. I could almost guarantee it. If Chytil goes to the CHL, it'll be after the WJCs and only because he's struggling badly in Hartford.

tdchi


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:08 am EST

RF4L - Again. Funny. And strange you use HAGGERTY as an example. I pointed to him as a guy the Rangers should sign. They signed him. Never said he was an all-star or a sure thing. Said he was a very good player the Rangers should grab. They did. He showed flashes of what he could do, but was was moved for a roster piece...which was none other than Anti RAANTA...and I'm not being snide or sarcastic about anything. I truly think you're nuts if you think Step's contract is so bad it's going to be bought out in two or three years...especially given that the guy has been a model of consistency and is in the prime of his career. That's just stupid talk right there.

tdchi


Wed Jul 26 2017 7:01 am EST

RF4L.... There are a lot of differences by being over the cap as compared with being under it.... You have to be cap compliant by the start of the next season.... it affects how you sign free agents or make trades....You can only go over the cap by 10% in the offseason.... and a whole host of other things, but yeah, semantics. Also: there is an offseason LTIR. No one completely understands it, but there is one :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 26 2017 6:52 am EST

E....I think we're basically agreeing here. And for after several horrid decisions in the past (Saint Manny and Blackburn for example) the Rangers are doing much better developing their youth.

Rf4l


Wed Jul 26 2017 3:43 am EST

RF: going back to yesterday. IF a guy can handle NHL minutes and be effective you play him. If he is going to get out of shape playing every 5th game or so than you send him to a place that is going to max out his ice time against the best competition you can find. I've never been into this concept of stunting development by virtue that they are playing in a big league too soon. If they were in over their head? That's something else entirely. If I have a prospect that is definitely going to be an NHL level player, I bring him along in the league that works best. If possible I call him up occasionally for a look at where they are. If nothing else, travel and practice with the big squad for a game or so. Stunting development was St. Manny because he was in the NHL when he shouldn't have been in the NHL and was over his head. But for all the disgust New York Rangers fans had over that problem they also are quick to miss out on the fact that he went on to play a decent career for himself. He wasn't as good as he was hyped to be but he was far from a bust. And maybe that's what he was all along. At 22 you can blame asset management. At 27-30 that's on the player. Inevitably next comes the mcilrath argument which I'll skip and just say that at the end of the day he just ain't a very good hockey player. And that's on him. I'm looking forward to see what Anderson and the Cheeto can bring. But only if they look like they actually have something. If they don't? Than see you when I see you. There is plenty of time. I have seen the New York Rangers handle many of their assets well. JT was brought along on a nice track. As were a bunch of others. I haven't seen any kind of desperation screwing of a player outside of Mcilrath. And that was partially setbacks from time, the CBA and injuries. But other than that? I see the New York Rangers development system as solid. What they haven't had is depth in the pipeline. They are trying to change that now. Kudos to Gorton for shifting focus that way. And this is a young New York Rangers team now. A lot of their lineup is younger than 28-years old. That says something.

E


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:28 pm EST

Rhet: OK, but isn't that semantics? And because LTIR does not exist in the off-season, the Leafs cannot swap out the corresponding salaries, hence their dilemma.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:19 pm EST

RF4L.... LTIR does not reduce the cap. Their cap hits are always on the cap; but you can exceed the cap by whatever those cap hits are. Also: All teams must be cap compliant by the start of the regular season ...TD... The way the NYR are currently looking at Andersson, Fontaine and Nieves and with the possibility of us trading for Bozak; it says to me that guys are going to have to earn their spot this season. That includes DESHARNAIS. I like his signing, and i think it makes sense, but I also like having rookies trying to take that spot away from him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:59 pm EST

Rhet: Lopul is the same as Horton and together that's $11,000,000 on LTIR. There's no LTIR in the off-season, hence the reason the Leafs are over the cap. A 10% over is permitted in the off-season so Leafs are fine right now. What I don't know, however, is when players can be returned to the LTIR. I am assuming not before that 10% buffer ends, otherwise why the worry in Leafland? Putting those 2 back on LTIR drops their cap to $68,000,000.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:51 pm EST

MF.... An NHL club's team physician only has to deem that the player will be "unfit to play for at least (i) twenty-four (24) calendar days and (ii) ten (10) NHL Regular Season games." He doesn't first have to first miss 10 games.... Also: I mentioned before that TO currently has 16 forwards on their cap. They can easily send a guy or two down after a Bozak trade to become cap compliant for the regular season. Horton will never play again, so they can also exceed the cap by his salary for the entire season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:30 pm EST

Yeah, a little defensive. You post often post on here like you're an expert and at times, to the point where you belittle other's opinions. Guess what? Despite what you think you're not. Yeah you do more research than most but you're wrong as often as you're right when it comes to Ranger prospects - Haggerty is but one tiny example. And so what? Even the experts (which I'll remind you, you're not) get it wrong, too. Yet when you make what can be considered outlandish declarations/predictions, people don't come on here and make sarcastic posts about it.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:20 pm EST

RF - a little defensive huh? WTF does Haggerty have to do with anything?!? But I'll remember that. STEPAN. A buyout. Hilarious.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:18 pm EST

Rhet0ric - very interesting, re: FONTAINE. I heard only good things about last year. Actually, he kind of sounded a bit like Ottawa's PAGEAU...I'd be really surprised if he makes the team...but that's a very fascinating bit.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:16 pm EST

TD: Regarding your last 2 comments - exactly what I expect from you. BTW, where is your boy Ryan Haggerty these days?

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:15 pm EST

Rhet et al: for Cap Compliance purposes: how many regular season games does a player need to be on the roster before they can be sent to the LTIR list? Is is 10 regular season games? ..... Toronto is currently -$3,929,167 over the cap.... If they take on Nick Holden add $1,650,000 brings them to -$5,579,167.... Subtract Bozak & his $4,200,000 leaves them over the cap by -$1,379,167..... I don't know if the Phishboy Gorton has a trick up his sleeve but if he can create some additional Cap Space by we can get a better deal out of Toronto... Toronto is carrying 1 last year of a Tim Gleason buyout at $1,333,333... We take that on and they are over by $45,834......... Naturally Trading Marc Staal to Carolina would cure it, and looking at Hockeybuzz you can see Rick Nash and his $7.8mill perched at the top of the charts...... food for thought

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:13 pm EST

As for STEPAN...being bought out...LOL!!! Man, that's funny...

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:12 pm EST

RF4L - you just explained exactly why the Rangers will send both CHYTIL and ANDERSSON to Hartford: It give them the most options. In Chytil's case, they can keep him in Hartford until the WJCs. If he flourishes, they can bring him back to finish the season there or even call him up for a playoff rush. If he goes to Juniors, then what? Stuck there for good or for bad. Only other move is to send him back to Europe. And don't you worry: unless either one is playing. A major role in the NHL, they'll be in the WJCs. I'd guarantee it.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:51 pm EST

What Gorton needs to be cognizant of is getting himself in a cap jam to the point where he needs to trade for relief. That puts the leverage totally with the opposing GMs.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:35 pm EST

Isn't it ironic.... Per Howard Berger‏ @Berger_BYTES ....... From a source: #Leafs have been "up to something" for awhile, and it is again creating "lots of talk" - primarily with one other team. Hmmm.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:33 pm EST

Actually: Taking on Bozak would make it tough getting to 23 whether they retain $500K or not. In a perfect world, they need to retain a bit more money for us to be comfortable under the cap, but we've made it work with less before. We could run with the intentions of a 22 man roster and then see what's what in camp before making another deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:26 pm EST

The last thing I saw on Bozak was this morning before the Z-BAD signing. It was basically that the NYR wanted TO to retain some money and that we were also balking at the pick that they wanted. JMO: but If we traded Holden for Bozak, we would have a little more than $500K in cap space. If TO retained only a mere $500K, we could get to a 23 man roster and have a little bit (a smidge) left over. It all depends on who makes the team. If they don't retain $$$ and we still trade for Bozak, we would have a 22 man roster and could get to 23 when the season starts by putting Fast on LTIR. We would then have about a month to figure out what's what before Fast is ready to return. Anyway, only time will tell.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:04 pm EST

Some remaining names: Vanek, JJ, Iginla, Doan, Stafford, Gionta, King, Hudler. Wow, nothing exactly overpowering. Stafford might be the best of the lot but how much money does he want? Would Iginla sign for a million? Probably not. Maybe a trade is required. Again, all predicated on Bozak coming to NY...

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:59 pm EST

Whoops...that's your top 6 wingers, leaving Puempel and Fast for numbers 7 and 8. Clearly, that doesn't suffice, even if Fast wasn't hurt.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:57 pm EST

BTW, Bozak's $4,200,000 contract will put a huge squeeze on the Rangers, even with Holden's $1,600,000 deal going the other way. Rangers are currently $3,000,000 under the cap so a deal swapping these 2 puts them $400,000 under the cap which obviously, is not exactly the way to start the season. Therefore, if there's truth to those Bozak to NY rumours, there must be another deal in the works. The Rangers have a plethora of wingers - could someone like MZA be on the move, too? MZA for picks/prospects to free up cap space makes sense if Bozak is to be a Ranger. With Nash, Kreider, Miller, Vesey, Buch and Grabner, there's 5 of your top 6 wingers. There's also Puempel and the injured Fast. Unfortunately, the putrid Pack offer no obvious winger replacements, so what's left on the UFA to fill holes?

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:33 pm EST

So when is that Bozak trade going to be announced?

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:26 pm EST

RF4L: I'm with you on Chytil. Here's hoping the Rangers don't F this up!

RDW


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:18 pm EST

RDW: No. Once sent to the CHL he stays there unless there's an emergency call-up situation where a slew of injuries result and even in that situation, it's only for a few games. This rule is in place because in the past many NHL GMs, just as they do come July 1st, cannot help themselves and yo-yo'd so many of these kids so frequently, they more often than not, set those kids development back and at the same time hurt the junior teams who need their stars to draw fans. I get it if he was like Sean Day - 4 years in the OHL topped this year by a Memorial Cup. What more can Day learn at the junior level? It's arguable that he's never dominated offensively and one of the big reasons he was given the exceptional status rating 4 years ago was his high end offensive skillset. That's not really been seen yet but perhaps that's not his forte after all - he's big and smooth and can handle the puck well; he just may not be a big point producer. That's ok - most d-man aren't. If what you see is what you get, I understand the argument to turn pro because indeed in Hartford, he's likely to learn more than he would going back to junior for a 5th year. To me Chytil is almost the opposite. A young kid who's not 18 year and while growing, is still equipped with a kid's body. Subjecting him to the rigors of the AHL where he'll room with who knows who is very risky. Again, it's one year. What the hell is the rush? I truly don't get it.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:08 pm EST

RF4L: Could he potentially play half as season in the OHL and then get a call up if he's tearing it up?

RDW


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:04 pm EST

Also, if the Rangers intend on Lias Andersson turning pro, that's enough. Rushing both prospects, especially when one is barely 18 and looks it, is just plain dumb asset management in my books. One year is all we're talking about here, one year where potentially Chytil is a top 10 OHL scorer, billets with a solid family who care for him like the teenager he is, is managed by a man recognized as being good with young talent and is close enough for the Rangers to have a direct hand in his development. Just do it Gorton. Oh yeah, if he does play there, there's zero chance (barring injury of course) he's not in the WJC which is historically a fabulous tournament for top end talent. Not saying in Hartford that wouldn't happen but there's been many cases where AHL teenagers are barred from WJC because of their alleged importance to their team. In juniors, that blocking is not permitted.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:59 pm EST

Sorry Rhet - meant to conclude that all that aside, I still disagree with the essence of Nunn's point: I find it ludicrous to say that Chytil has "has nothing to gain by going to the OHL". You stated 3 or 4 solid reasons why that is incorrect.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:56 pm EST

TD: OK, but at $6,500,000 with a NTC, no thanks. The time to move him was before July 1 and Gorton did the right thing. I don't disagree that replacing him in NY will be easy but I am thinking not just this year, but also the 3 years after that. It's gonna be another stinky contract that the Yotes (if they are still the Yotes - lol) will be looking to buyout before it ends.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:53 pm EST

Rhet: Reasonable arguments for sure, but the only one that really made me thing was the one about North Bay not exactly being a hockey hotbed for graduating talent. I did some quite research and I think perhaps that's a bit misleading for 3 reasons: 1) They were previously the Brampton Battalion and that organization graduated several NHL players, including Matt Duchene, Wojtek Wolski, Tampa Bay Lightning and Jay McClement. 2) This team has only been in place (in NB) for 4 years and until this year, have had reasonable PO success, going to the finals their first year. 3) The Battalion ranks seventh behind the London Knights (69), Flint Firebirds/Plymouth Whalers (53), Guelph Storm (48) Oshawa Generals (47), Windsor Spitfires (47) and Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (46) among Ontario Hockey League teams for having the most players selected in the NHL Draft since 1999 (taking into consideration, obviously, their Brampton days). Therefore, I think it's a bit unfair to cast them as a poor location for NHL development. Like the majority of CHL teams, they are small market for sure and therefore, don't have the scouting resources bigger teams like Windsor and London do. And really, we're only talking about this upcoming year - after that, assuming he does well, he turns pro and then ends up in Hartford (or perhaps even the Rangers). For the me the pluses far outweigh the minuses and what the heck is the rush anyways? It's one year.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:51 pm EST

Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers..... It's not only Lias Andersson and Boo Nieves being considered for the NHL roster to start 17/18. Surprisingly prospect Gabriel Fontaine too.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:36 pm EST

RF4L - Ahh...you're not reading...I didn't say he'd have some statistical breakout or that he's going to be a top-10 scorer or anything. On the contrary: I think he'll do EXACTLY what he did for the Rangers...20 goals, 50-plus points. Play special teams. Eat lots of icetime. But what you and a lot of others around here fail to realize is what he did for the Rangers was a very serious part of this team's success. I think he'll give Arizona a playmaker it's desperately needed and veteran leadership to help guys like DOMI, and USNDTP products like DVORAK and KELLAR flourish...especially the latter, who is like a young Patrick KANE...And I think you'll see how much teams pay top-caliber centers when those three contracts I mention get settled...and it'll make the $6.5 million Step is getting seem cheap...Lastly, what the Rangers lost...we've heard over and over with the Z signing that he's ready to be the Rangers' top line center...well, is he? And if he is, who is the second line center? The third line center? Not to say the cards won't fall into place between now and October...and I think the Rangers STILL have a very good team...but Stepan was a major loss. One that you and many others simply don't realize yet.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:29 pm EST

RF4L - Alex Nunn is a great guy to follow. Watches European hockey like no other and is a great resource/eye-for-talent. If he's saying CHYTIL has nothing to prove in the CHL, I trust his assessment from a hockey standpoint. The guy is already playing against men in the Czech elite, which isn't exactly a pushover league. And I don't know what kind of tourney is going on over there right now, but he's posted a few GIFs of Chytil that make it seem like he's walking through the U20 crowd. I see benefits and drawbacks to all three options with him...At the CHL, he'll get the attention a 17-year-old kid needs mentally. And obviously, the OHL...well, that's the best CHL league there is...and he'd be playing a major role on the team, and competing on the smaller ice surface...But he'll be joining a team that is not very good...and that's putting it mildly...Very few NHL draft picks on that team...and that's not good at all...In Hartford, he'll get a chance to play against the grinders and in a league that is probably a step quicker than the Czech league...he'll also have a chance to work directly with Ranger staff and play in the exact system they're deploying in New York on the smaller surface...he'd be joining a very young Hartford team with a lot of guys coming in from Juniors...But...the AHL is no place for a guy who is just turning 18, literally as camp is opening. It's a bigboy league and there are a lot of guys in it who are...how shall I say...not exactly the role models a kid away from home for the first time needs. It's not to say Hartford staff wouldn't help him in this capacity...but it's a concern I would have...Option 3 is to leave him where he is...let him play against men at home, and then watch him in the WJCs...So with all this said, I want to draw a quick parallel to another, young Czech brought in at a really early age: David PASTRNAK. He was four months older when drafted by the Bruins(had just turned 18) out of SEL...started in Providence...was a PPG player and then earned a spot in Boston. Won't say his path was seamless, but pretty damn close. And after two years, he ended up scoring 30-plus goals and put up 70-plus points...my initial feeling was to keep Chytil in Czech-land for another season...but given his performance, I don't necessarily think Hartford would be a bad start. And if he struggles? Then it's much easier to move him to Juniors. I don't, however, think there's much advantage for him going directly to the CHL, especially where he'd ultimately land.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:14 pm EST

I do not for a second believe Stepan will do anything more for the Yotes than he did for the Rangers offensively his entire career. Why on earth would he? Oodles of ice time in NY including first line PP. If he suddenly breaks out, then what a complete nob - given endless opportunities to produce and he doesn't wake up until he's traded? Good riddence if that's the case (which again, I don't for a second will happen).

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 4:26 pm EST

The Hockey News‏Verified account @TheHockeyNews .... Goalies: Most wins in past five #NHL seasons.... Holtby 177.... Rask 157.... Lundqvist 153.... Crawford 150.... Fleury 149.... Price 146... Bishop 141... Bobrovsky 139.... Also..... Active #NHL goalies: Career wins.... Luongo 453.... Lundqvist 405.... Fleury 375.... Miller 358.... Lehtonen 295.... Ward 295.... Price 270.... Rinne 269.... Quick 260

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 4:23 pm EST

he Hockey News‏Verified account @TheHockeyNews ..... #NHL goalies: Most shutouts over past three seasons.... Holtby 21.... Fleury 16.... Dubnyk 16.... Talbot 15..... Rask 15.... Price 14.... Allen 14.... Quick 13.... Anderson 12

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 4:19 pm EST

I think all of you saying STEPAN'S contract was stupid should 1. Watch what he does for Arizona next season; 2. See what the going rate for centers is after JOHANSEN, DRASAITL and HORVAT sign; and 3. How the Rangers fair without Stepan. I could be wrong, but I don't think many of you will be as vocal about 'how bad' Step's contract is next year at this time.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 4:17 pm EST

The Hockey News‏Verified account @TheHockeyNews...... Even-strength save pct over past three #NHL seasons (100+ GP)..... Price .938.... Dubnyk .931.... Holtby .930.... Crawford .930.... Mason .930.... Anderson .930

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 4:13 pm EST

The Hockey News‏Verified account @TheHockeyNews ..... #NHL goalies: Shots against in past three seasons.... Holtby 5536..... Rask 5475..... Schneider 5360.... Rinne 5308..... Dubnyk 5296.... Crawford 5070.... Lundqvist 4923

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 2:34 pm EST

I dunno who this Nunn dude is but his take on Chytil having nothing to gain playing in the OHL is just plain dumb. He will be barely 18 when the season starts and physically looks like it. Playing pro in the Czech league has not given him the opportunity to be the go-to guy on his club and given his age and size and inexperience, it'll likely be more of the same next year. The OHL is a development league and yes, winning counts but they are also about putting deserving kids in positions to succeed. Stan Butler is on record as saying he considers Chytil to be a number 1 centre and that's why the Battilion selected him so high. IMO, this is precisely what this kid needs from a next logical step in his progression - dominate at his own level of competition while becoming acclimatized to the NA environment under the watchful eye of Butler and the Rangers. A no brainer, unlike Nunn's silly comment. Does he even understand the CHL?

rf4L


Tue Jul 25 2017 2:28 pm EST

IMO, Chytil in North Bay is the best scenario. I hope that's where the Rangers (and the kid) are leaning.

rf4L


Tue Jul 25 2017 2:17 pm EST

Ryan Kennedy‏ @THNRyanKennedy ...... Hearing New York Rangers first-rounder Filip Chytil most likely to play over here this season – can play either junior (North Bay) or AHL

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 2:15 pm EST

Hope everybody is enjoying the summer..Glad the Rangers could wrap up a very solid, if inconsistent, # 2 center who helps on the PP..OTOH, it's too bad it's looking like he'll be the Rangers #1 center for the next 3-4 years.......Maybe that's too harsh.......hard to tell from last year...Like the entire Ranger team, ZBAD was on fire and unstoppable early and pre-injury....Post injury, he struggled mightily until the last series....This year should tell what we really have in the guy.....a significant risk for 5 year-25 mil but those are the rates these days..Would feel much better if we had a real #1 ahead of him and something more than a Giant enigma (and nothing else) behind him ..Oh well, back to posting on the Islander boards...

Hospo


Tue Jul 25 2017 2:12 pm EST

Alex Nunn‏ @aj_ranger ...... I'd really much rather Chytil stay in the Czech Republic for another year.... Hartford, in the right role, I can perhaps understand, but Chytil - already playing against men - has nothing to gain by going to the OHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 12:15 pm EST

Agreed that Z's deal is a good one for the Rangers provided, of course, Z can play top 6 centre minutes legitimately and consistently. If he evolves into a top line centre, it's a great contract. Therefore, risk on both sides - the Rangers if he doesn't evolve (too much money) and Z if he does (underpaid). All in all, Gorton is using the CBA like most of his peers, unlike that idiot Nob for Life. His one mistake so far is overpaying for Stepan but 1) I still believe Nob for Life's fingers were all over that 2) He addressed that mistake at the draft (and did quite well in doing so IMO).

rf4L


Tue Jul 25 2017 12:09 pm EST

KIS...it helps when you have 2 top end centres to build your team around.

Rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:53 am EST

see Rhet's post

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:52 am EST

KIS: Shitzburg m & his $5.75mill out, and have 7 forwards earning an avg of less than $1mill... that's how

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:48 am EST

KIS.... MAF is now in Vegas, that's how.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:42 am EST

Just reading a story about pens damn Doumalin. How do the pens have over 6mill in cap space. That damn team signs every person available all the team have big contracts and they still have cap space. Wtf ?

kis


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:35 am EST

TD: it seems that many of the players sign at a rate of $100K per point produced, so thats right in line....

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:30 am EST

Excellent deal for Z. Of course, it sucks to see all that cap space go...but Z is well worth that contract. And if he stays healthy, he could be worth a lot more come year two or three.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:12 am EST

Hopping Mad is LB's name in Chinese..... OAN, Tyler Bozak wear's #42 for Toronto, Brendan Smith wears #42 on the Rangers,

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 11:06 am EST

Bozak @4,200,000.... Irving you're never close yet so far away. Go recharge your mooferator , it staaled....

Stevielegs


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:20 am EST

The Z-Bad deal is basically the same deal we signed Brassard to but add $350k for inflation. Also: Z-Bad is signed longer than any player on the NYR. The NYR now have $3.05 million left in cap space to make a deal. If they move Holden in that deal it will bring them up to $4.7 Mil. Bozak coming soon??

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:16 am EST

RHET: Brooksie is too busy now covering the Mets and Yankees.

DOUBLEN


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:13 am EST

I'm still waiting for Brooks to bring up the rear with which of the last 3 years of Z-Bad's deal that have NTC/NMC and what type. Has anyone had a worse offseason than Brooks this year? He must be hopping mad.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:12 am EST

Seems like a fair deal given the UFA years covered. Gorton has done well this Summer. Of course, that assumes that ZBad performs up to the contract and actually fills the bill as a #1 C.

Bob


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:05 am EST

Legs, what do you mean you were close? Call Jersey close? Time to unstall moving Staal to Carolina

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 10:00 am EST

Per Craig Morgan‏Verified account @craigsmorgan .... League source: Zibanejad contract details: 17-18: $5.000 + $1.000 SB... 18-19: $5.500 .... 19-20: $5.350 .... 20-21: $2.650 + $2.500 SB .... 21-22: $4.750

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:57 am EST

I was close . Glad that's done. Now fishboy get a center and figure out the staal story.

Stevielegs


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:56 am EST

Which half of the brother do we thank? This is very confusing, wheres Hospital?

mf


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:53 am EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers.... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with restricted free agent forward Mika Zibanejad on a five-year contract with an AAV of $5.35 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:35 am EST

Wasn't one of the reasons why the Sens traded Z-Bad because they were worried about being able to sign him to his next deal($$$)? If no multi-year pact is signed, we get to do this all over again next year at this time. Go team!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:28 am EST

Stevie... The arbitrator doesn't decide that, he only decides on the $$$. In player elected arbitration, the team get's to decide if it's 1 or 2 years going in. If it were team elected, the player would get to decide.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:22 am EST

Rhet if arbitration decides it's for 2 years

Stevielegs


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:17 am EST

Stevie... Why in the world would the NYR's give him a 2-year deal? That gives him all the leverage and takes all leverage away from themselves.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:14 am EST

I highly advise ZBAD to sign rather than let the arbiter decide on whether he will get 4.1 or 5.35 for 2 years. I would think the nyr want to sign him for a longer deal at around kid k money. I'd offer $5 for 5 .

Stevielegs


Tue Jul 25 2017 9:07 am EST

ZBAD by going to arbitration he gets the sather kiss of death. If he has two half brothers that makes one whole brother. Right now each side is insulting the other . The old Ralph kiner story after hitting 50+ homers and asking for a raise of we came in last with you than we can come in last without you .

Stevielegs


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:56 am EST

Per Slava Malamud: Alex Semin is still trying to find a KHL team that will sign him. A couple of teams have kicked tires on him, but found his demands to be unreasonable.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:38 am EST

In regard to arbitration..... Per Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... Steve Zipay Retweeted Larry Brooks... Yep, this true. But note that under rules, deals can still be made before arbiter decides award in 48 hours. See Tatar ($5.3/4)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:25 am EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Barring last minute settlement, Rangers and Zibanejad on way to arbitration hearing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:24 am EST

OLA... Maybe Z-Bad has more half brothers.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:22 am EST

Who is representing Mika in the actual proceeding? That must be someone with some kind of experience, right?

Ola


Tue Jul 25 2017 8:14 am EST

Rick Carpiniello‏ @RickCarpiniello ..... Mika Zibanejad's arbitration hearing scheduled for 9 a.m. so unless there's a deal the process is underway. No NYR has gone to arb since '07

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:13 am EST

I'm always amused when I hear Ranger fans wax on about Ryan NUGENT-HOPKINS...Here's a guy who was actually WORSE than STEPAN in the faceoff circle and who is notably worse defensively...but because he was drafted first-overall, he's a logical choice to replace Step...TBH, I never understood the hype over RNH. Kind of seems to be the second-coming of Sam GAGNER...which is fine in some respects...but not if you're expecting to get a second-line center.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 7:06 am EST

TD: Maybe Babcock would actually give Graves a true opportunity to make the club, unlike what I suspect AV will do.

rf4l


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:47 am EST

RF4L - Why would the Leafs want GRAVES? Better question: Why wouldn't they? They don't have anyone in their system with the skill set of Graves who is as close to making the NHL. In fact, outside of the guys drafted this season, they don't have very many defensive prospects to begin with. I can't, however, tell you why they would want HOLDEN other than to not his point totals. I think the rumored deal would be fair to both teams. I'd still go with MAATTA if I were Lamareillo...but Holden-a third-and-Graves for BOZAK-and-a second would be a solid deal.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 6:35 am EST

I forgot about that arbitration clause, but the Rangers woulds still be foolish to trade for a guy who would all but eliminate the gap between the higher end of an arbitration award or contract demand from ZIBANEJAD. Talk about making a situation unnecessarily complicated.

tdchi


Tue Jul 25 2017 5:17 am EST

Zib is represented by his brother. We sent a message to Zib that we where unhappy with his conditioning through AV after the season. Could be complicating factors...

Ola


Tue Jul 25 2017 12:49 am EST

Has Marc Staal been traded to Carolina for Dahlbeck yet? Yup, a salary dump....

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 11:12 pm EST

The Caps are in "Cap Hell," with only 10 forwards and 5 Dmen signed and only 4mill to spend...http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=WAS

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 11:03 pm EST

http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/07/24/can-rangers-find-young-center/#more-43646

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 8:47 pm EST

As a reminder, Chris Kreider signed his contract last season about a half hour before his hearing was supposed to start. Keep the faith! We will get him signed to a 4-5 year deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 24 2017 8:24 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed and you can be sure the Rangers are hoping Staal regains at least some of his form and has a good year. If so, it's more palatable to not buy him next summer. If he's a legitimate top 6 and not taking a spot of someone younger and equally capable, then I'm ok with that.

rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 7:09 pm EST

OKAY.... If the NYR buy out Marc Staal now, they will have his cap his for Eight years. If they buy him out after this season, they will have his cap hit for six years. His worst years (cap hit-wise) would also line up better with Girardi's to make it a little less painful. If Staal does get bought out, my money is on it being after this coming season.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 24 2017 6:19 pm EST

newman: Two reasons: 1) Offer sheets always get matched so all you're doing in the end is driving up contract rates. 2) Because of that, GMs who do that get ostracized by their peers, making their job difficult. The GM community is tight with all kinds of backdoor relationships and pressures that come with that. Neil Smith was not warmly received at GM meetings and in trade talk attempts after he made that offer sheet for Joe Sakic. I wonder how many GMs who've made those offer sheets in the past are still GMs - my guess is none. Offer sheets get talked about on here every summer like they're commonplace. Bottom line is that - they aren't. In the end they are basically wishful thinking on fans' part.

rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 6:19 pm EST

newman: Two reasons: 1) Offer sheets always get matched so all you're doing in the end is driving up contract rates. 2) Because of that, GMs who do that get ostracized by their peers, making their job difficult. The GM community is tight with all kinds of backdoor relationships and pressures that come with that. Neil Smith was not warmly received at GM meetings and in trade talk attempts after he made that offer sheet for Joe Sakic. I wonder how many GMs who've made those offer sheets in the past are still GMs - my guess is none. Offer sheets get talked about on here every summer like they're commonplace. Bottom line is that - they aren't. In the end they are basically wishful thinking on fans' part.

rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 5:45 pm EST

RF, even so, that's the point of making an offer sheet: back them into a corner so that they have to either trade him or sign him to a contract at a much higher number which would severely hamstring them. Who knows? With Chiarelli's track record perhaps you threaten him with an offer sheet for Draisaitl if he won't accept Nugent-Hopkins for Holden or Staal + a pick

newman


Mon Jul 24 2017 5:30 pm EST

**The Rangers will have a 48-hour buyout window following settlement of the Zibanejad case that will resolve Marc Staal’s "immediate fate."**

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 5:25 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/07/24/why-rangers-shortchanged-zibanejad-in-arbitration-ask/

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 4:02 pm EST

alaxalee: t/y for that info on players who filed for arbitration can't be tendered an offer sheet...... Got the wheels turning though, "IF" we were to consider parting company with a few years of 1st rounders, wonder what Nash & two years worth of 1st rounders would fetch us? TAYLOR HALL?

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 3:59 pm EST

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/sergey-zborovskiy/

mf


Mon Jul 24 2017 11:47 am EST

Players who have filed for salary arbitration are not eligible to receive offer sheets.

alexalee


Mon Jul 24 2017 11:41 am EST

Pat...cuz Edmonton doesn't want to trade Drais.

Rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 9:55 am EST

Why not tell EDM we are going to offer sheet Draisaitl and will give up the 4 #1`s or they can take a lower costing ZBad with 2 first rounders as compensation as opposed to the 4 firsts they would be entitled to?

PatrickDiv


Mon Jul 24 2017 8:18 am EST

I do agree with you, however, on the Kreider vs Z comparison.

rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 8:17 am EST

TD: I don't biuy it. I cannot see anyone giving Z an offer sheet in that scenario for a few reasons: 1) Offer sheets are ridiculous rare (can count on one hand their number). 2) Offer sheets to put another team in a bind has never happened - the few times they have happened it's because a team covets the player they're pursuing. 3) Z at $6,000,000 is ridiculous and any team who wants to do that can have him. 4) Teams can go over the cap in the summer so even if that situation unfolded the Rangers could still match (I wouldn't at that rate). Nope, still don't see why Z must be signed first and suspect those rumours are nothing more than that - rumours. Bozak is better than Holden and why do the Leafs want Graves?

rf4l


Mon Jul 24 2017 7:57 am EST

schneidw - ZIBANEJAD is a far more complete player than KREIDER. Not to say the latter isn't good, but Z is a guy who is going to be in a MAJOR role next year, with or without BOZAK. Whether or not JT MILLER slots to the middle...regardless of what happened. It's another reason why the STEPAN deal wasn't exactly good GM'ing...the Rangers, prior to moving Step, had a far more favorable situation negotiating with Z...and they might have been able to hardball him into a Kreider-like contract...but make no mistake, Z became the number-one center the day Stepan was moved...and if you look around the league at what top centers are paid, $5 million per is really quite cheap. You can say he hasn't earned that kind of contract...and you wouldn't be wrong...but this is a situation where if you tell Z to show you he's worth it...if you sign him to a bridge deal...you could end up having to give him Stepan's contract if/when he lights it up. I don't think there's any question about what Z can do if he's healthy and motivated, as he was in the playoffs and as he was before his injury...this is a center who is absolutely worth $5 million per...and he's holding just about every single ace in the deck right now in terms of negotiating. The fact that the Rangers have taken this negotiation this far is a little bit mind-numbing...and really the only reason I can think for it is that maybe they have something else major cooking.

tdchi


Mon Jul 24 2017 7:48 am EST

The Rangers waiting to sign ZIBANEJAD before making a move to sure up the middle makes complete and total sense. Taking for granted it is a deal like HOLDEN, GRAVES and a third for BOZAK and a second makes total and complete sense. Think about it this way: Rangers have about $8.4 million in cap space today. If they do the aforementioned deal for Bozak without signing Z, they'd have about $5.8 million in space...which is more than enough to sign him...UNLESS a team decides to throw and offersheet at Z. Say $6 million over six seasons. Is he worth a first, second and a third? I'd say so. Is he worth $6 million? Probably not yet...but it's not inconceivable that a team would take that kind of chance. Rangers would have a very difficult decision to make, because losing BOTH your top centers in an off-season would be crippling. Just from a strategy perspective...if you're a rival in the east, you do that just to force the Rangers to overpay for Z...or best case scenario, strip them of their number-one center...and here's another thing that happens if that Bozak deal happens to involve picks from the 2018 draft: The Rangers would then be incapable of offer sheeting another team in the event of losing Z to an offer sheet...so say some team grabs Z after the Bozak deal and the Rangers can't match...well, if they give up this year's third, then they could make a bid on a guy like JOHANSEN or HORVAT or GRANLUND...because any offer sheet the Rangers could cook up between $3.9 million and $9.8 million would require them to have their own third rounder. Soooo....if Toronto and the Rangers have a handshake deal...if the Rangers' offer was better than the Pens...it makes a hell of a lot of sense for the Rangers to sit tight until the ink dries on Z's contract. They can avoid a whole hell of a lot of headache that way.

tdchi


Mon Jul 24 2017 5:38 am EST

Nyr will probably gamble take ZBAD to arbitration unless he's willing to sign a longer term deal than 2 years and become an ufa . Z day is tomorrow if not today.

Stevielegs


Sun Jul 23 2017 9:46 pm EST

Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers .... I think that Mika Zibanejad gets very close to or just at five million. Basing this on Tatar's just signed contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 23 2017 8:48 pm EST

Michael Phelps lost, nobody got eaten and I'm disappointed.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jul 23 2017 6:39 pm EST

E- Yeah, fair point. I actually think that is the reason we handpicked Desharnais. It sucks with him in a top C role, but he can still play there. You can't rule out and must even basically play for you will miss two players at the same time at any position for shorter stretches. In that sense, we don't have much capability at wing that can shift to center of JT goes there.

Ola


Sun Jul 23 2017 5:52 pm EST

I hate JT in the middle. He does too many dumb things with the puck and his hockey sense is just meh in my opinion. He's more effective when he can use his size, speed, and physicality coming off the wall.

E


Sun Jul 23 2017 4:44 pm EST

Z: salaries are all about slotting players based on their teammates and since Kreider signed for $4.75M/yr for 4 years... I am not paying Z more than him...

schneidw


Sun Jul 23 2017 3:48 pm EST

E: or JT Miller gets shifted to the Center position !?

mf


Sun Jul 23 2017 3:11 pm EST

My sources tell me that Rangers open up on Oct 5th. You're welcome. #shouldberangerwriter

jkropp


Sun Jul 23 2017 1:50 pm EST

The only area that would concern me Ola is depth when Z went down the New York Rangers didn't feel it. Stepan filled the gap and Hayes moved up. Now? If Z goes down Desharnais is now a top-6 player. That is a lot of lost hockey games. That would seem like shades of Gretzky being paired with Mike Keane or Bill Berg.

E


Sun Jul 23 2017 1:05 pm EST

Not sure how much weaker we will be without Stepan...

Ola


Sun Jul 23 2017 12:59 pm EST

Well at least we know the top of the range. Guestimating 4-5 years at $5-$5.25mill... Current Cap Space: $8,400,556 factor in moving Nick Holden +$1,650,000 = $10,050,556 .... How's it getting spent? Z'Bad? Bozak? Wennberg? Marchessault? Tender offer to another teams RFA? .... The who's who & the who dunnit?

mf


Sun Jul 23 2017 11:51 am EST

Z camp asking $5,350,000; Rangers $4,100,000. My betting is he'll sign 5 years at $5,200,000 or thereabouts.

rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 11:47 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-numbers-submitted-to-the-arbitrator-for-mika-zibanejads-hearing/243922228

mf


Sun Jul 23 2017 10:50 am EST

What that might I've no idea. Unless the Rangers are willing to part with McD or Skjei of course because it's top 4 defense the Leafs are trying to address.

rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 10:42 am EST

Yeah but it's really a difference of a million or less. Or maybe something bigger is in the works...

Rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 10:31 am EST

Although NYR quite possibly trade before Zbzd deal is done, its more prudent to find out the Zbad cap hit before making the trade

PUCKYOU


Sun Jul 23 2017 10:09 am EST

I agree Rf4l you would think the Rangers would want to acquire Bozak and put some pressure on Zbads camp to sign sooner than later

tlats


Sun Jul 23 2017 9:55 am EST

Not sure why a Bozak trade cannot happen until Z signs.

Rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 9:44 am EST

Dunno. Isles have BARZAL and DAL COLLE coming next season. Plus HO SANG, though I think he could end up being DUCLAIR-lite. Isles are a young, talented team. I wouldn't say they're on the rod to the cup, but they remind me a bit of Columbus before last season. The pieces are there.

tdchi


Sun Jul 23 2017 7:49 am EST

TD: LB states it clearly in his latest article: This off-season the Islander moves are Jordan Eberle and a future second-rounder in and Travis Hamonic, Ryan Strome, Jean-Francois Berube, Mikhail Grabovski’s $5 million cap charge, a couple of prospects and a future fourth-rounder out. This team is weaker than it was last year and last year another non-PO finish. If JT does want to resign there I say he hasn't because he's waiting to see how the season unfolds. If it's more of the same, why on earth would he return?

rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 7:32 am EST

TD: On JT - I'm obviously not so convinced. If he's intent on staying with the Islanders why hasn't he resigned yet?

rf4l


Sun Jul 23 2017 12:01 am EST

Brooks is saying Z-BAD should be around $5.25 per, I've seen Z-Bad rumored for 5-years and $5.4 Mil. per. I prefer Brooks numbers.... http://nypost.com/2017/07/23/breaking-down-the-number-crunch-on-rangers-defense/ .....Stevie... Same as evets mentioned. Multiple guys mentioning the trade imminent (and they seem to be independent from each other, not parroting), most not saying parts involved. At least one of those sources(maybe two) is right a lot, so I guess we'll wait and see.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 22 2017 11:06 pm EST

BOZAK, if true and not at the expense of youth or a roster player not named HOLDEN, would be a great, potentially season-saving move. I'm not a big BOZAK fan, but he's the guy who I think could make Life-After-STEPAN more or less seamless. He would fill all of Step's offensive prowess. And give us faceoffs. If this, however, is the Rangers' plan, then they better make sure ZIBANEJAD knows his role on special teams just doubled

tdchi


Sat Jul 22 2017 10:02 pm EST

I've read the Bozak rumors too. The deal I read was Holden, Graves, and a 3rd rounder for Bozak and a 2nd rounder.

evets1980


Sat Jul 22 2017 9:53 pm EST

RF4L - can tell you exactly where JT aid gonna land: the team that promises him the best chance at a cup. I frankly think that'll be the Isles. They are a sleeping giant, so to speak. They have a very good team and a boat-ton of talent on the way. New coch in Weight, really the only thing they lack --and it's a big thing --is goaltending. The kid they got from the Lightening could be that guy. And they too, have an ace Russian goalie in the system. JT is gonna pull a STAMKOS, IMO. Gonna take it to the wire and see how much they're willing to sacrifice to go to the cup finals. For the Islanders, the answer is easy: ANYTHING. JT leaves and guess what? We'll be seeing the Quebec Islanders. They will not survive that loss. That's why they grabbed EBERLE. All a show that they're not fucking around. My guess? GUDLEVSKIS wins the starters position at some point from those two clowns. And we see the Islanders go deep...I don't see JT as a Ranger, simply because he doesn't seem like that kind of guy...seems very much of a solid character...and unlike GOMEZ, your penultimate douchebag, would not roll to a rival simply because they throw money at him...no, there will probably be 30 teams in on JT. Why would he pick one of the two across the creek? Of course, there's always a chance. I'd say the chance JT pulls on a Ranger jersey? 0.01 percent. Legal to drive in the continental Americas.

tdchi


Sat Jul 22 2017 8:45 pm EST

BOZAK: Just don't see Lamoriello trading with the NYRs....

schneidw


Sat Jul 22 2017 8:43 pm EST

E: Certainly a possibility... Hayes really dropped off during the end of the season and playoffs IMHO... Hayes in no longer a prospect and while he shows flashes of a capable 2nd line center at times... he disappears for long stretches and when hes not creating offense... he is a liability... BUT I agree, the NYRs need to develop their young players and so we have to support the process.... I liked Stepan at $4M/yr and agree with NYRs decision to trade him while he had value... but his absence has created a HUGE whole at Center and there is no way the NYRs should be playing an 18YO kid in his place... no need to rush the prospects!!!!!!!

schneidw


Sat Jul 22 2017 8:05 pm EST

Rhet bozak for who?

Stevielegs


Sat Jul 22 2017 7:30 pm EST

Okay, there is a strong rumor going around that Bozak to the NYR is imminent. One report says that it will be made official once the NYR re-sign Z-BAD.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 22 2017 7:26 pm EST

Per theScore‏Verified account @theScore ..... Report: Predators, Viktor Arvidsson agree to 7-year, $29.75M contract. http://thesco.re/2uMnqzX .... Also per ?rpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu ...... The Predators have Victor Arvidsson, Filip Forsberg, Roman Josi, Mattias Ekholm and Ryan Ellis at a combined $20.5 million cap hit.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jul 22 2017 9:46 am EST

Schneid: just waxing here but what if the New York Rangers don't need another center at all? What if Hayes and Zbad can get the job done? Last season when Z broke his leg Hayes became the de facto second line center and he had a good season statistically speaking. If he takes the next step than your fears of a top-2 are moot. I do like the idea of picking up a good skating, 3rd line center with substantially more skill than the diminutive Desharnais though. But never know, Anderson may take that job for a swath of the season. One thing is for certain in my mind. Buchnevich is going to waste his season paired with the likes of Desharnais. He needs a finisher who can siege on his creativity.

E


Sat Jul 22 2017 9:00 am EST

Re Jimmy Vesey: I keep forgetting about him but shouldn't. IMO, he's the real deal and will only get better with experience. I am fully expecting better production from him this season.

rf4l


Sat Jul 22 2017 8:49 am EST

schneidw: The longer JT goes unsigned the greater the chance he's a Ranger next summer. I've said it previously: If he likes the NY area and staying there is important to him, the Rangers logically would be his preferred team. It's either them or New Jersey and unless he simply hates the Rangers due to Ranger/Islander rivalry, the choice should be clear. Toronto is another area it seems reasonable he'd be interested in but with the pending fat deals due for Nylander, Matthews and Marner I don't see how cap wise paying JT $10,000,000/year works, especially if somehow LL lands a top end defenseman, which is something he's actively pursuing. Such a player only adds to the cap pressure.

rf4l


Sat Jul 22 2017 8:30 am EST

No regrets: NYRs under Gorton are a work in progress and there is a GLARING hole at center that will not be fixed until the trade deadline, if at all.... could be a long season... Tavares watch starts now..

schneidw


Fri Jul 21 2017 9:41 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/jimmy-vesey-felt-he-had-a-pretty-good-rookie-season/233092112

mf


Fri Jul 21 2017 9:31 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-everyone-loves-about-mats-zuccarello-and-how-he-plays/243571850

mf


Fri Jul 21 2017 9:26 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/a-look-at-the-rangers-possible-depth-chart-for-this-season/243500360

mf


Fri Jul 21 2017 4:17 pm EST

If Graves, Bereglazov, Day all prove to be NHL caliber, we're going to have a real good trade chip or two.... If we can't package one of the LHS D'men for a center, my untrained eye wants a PF type for the RW, something in the mold of Simmonds / Landeskog, me thinks with strong enough wings we can cover for the lower caliber centers.... Then again, I've never played the game and am just guessing

mf


Fri Jul 21 2017 3:45 pm EST

RF: all that stuff is puff pieces based on the obvious and not reality. The Blackhawks won a SC with 4-defenseman and 2-schlubs. I don't know what will be with the New York Rangers defense. I am however satisfied with 4 of them. So, we'll see. I think stating that the New York Rangers wings are good is an understatement. They are big and they are in my opinion as a collective group they are arguably the fastest in the NHL. Down the middle? We'll see... Lots of things still to come. What do we have? 7-weeks? Most players will begin to start seriously training up for the season soon.

E


Fri Jul 21 2017 3:11 pm EST

In news that will affect Z-BAD... Per Elliotte Friedman, #RedWings re-sign Tomas Tatar, 4 years, 5.3M cap hit.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jul 21 2017 2:50 pm EST

rf: I agree with you, our defense is actually positioned very well and we're at a point where we need to be patient. (which isn't easy to do) As far as rebuilding on the fly is concerned with the NYR's, we just have to continue to beef up the wings until we can land the Centers..... Tuesday July 25 is Arbitration for Z'bad, anybody hearing any salary amounts and terms?

mf


Fri Jul 21 2017 1:43 pm EST

Don't agree with that puck daddy writer for the most part. He's correct that the Rangers have strength on the wings and that their positioned nicely in net in a few years but disagree that the defense isn't good and don't concur that both Holden and Staal are 'bad'. That top 4 of McD, Shattenkirk, Smith and Skjei is definitely in the top half the league. If one of the young guys bumps either Staal or Holden (or both) that'll make things even better. I also disagree on his take on Pavelec (who he inexplicably at one point calls 'Mason' - must getting confused over the Winnipeg connection there). I think he's a fine signing and will follow nicely in the footsteps of Raanta and Talbot.

rf4l


Fri Jul 21 2017 11:36 am EST

https://sports.yahoo.com/ny-rangers-last-best-shot-trending-topics-133736689.html

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 11:09 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/lundqvist-wants-to-develop-a-relationship-with-pavelec-early-on/243317192

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 11:07 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/sean-day-is-looking-to-transition-to-pro-hockey/243399736

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 7:25 pm EST

http://www3.forbes.com/business/the-nhls-highest-paid-players-2016-17/?utm_campaign=nhl-highest-paid-players-2016-17&utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=%24origsrcid%24&utm_term=%24origsrcname%24&utm_campaign=nhl-highest-paid-players-2016-17&utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=00db37ba2aab4b344918ccaf2fb76bbdfb&utm_term=Business

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 7:22 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/07/20/adidas-laces-up-100m-hockey-brand-sale/

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 4:23 pm EST

Irving I have the fickle finger of fate to balance you out. now moof along....more cowbell.....

stevielegs


Thu Jul 20 2017 1:56 pm EST

Fickle-time: Hey I'm all for moving Staal & his contract, however, in case of emergencies & on a short term basis the guy can play 1st & 2nd line pair... That's some good insurance

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 1:15 pm EST

Competition is a good thing. And if Staal isn't good enough for the top 6 he should be press-boxed, contract or no contract. That said, as mentioned before, I fully expect him to play well enough to make the team and if he can avoid injuries and be paired with someone complimentary, I think he'll do fine. Will his play justify being the 2nd highest paid d-man on the team? Probably not but that's Nob for Life's fault, not Staal's.

rf4l


Thu Jul 20 2017 1:04 pm EST

One thing is for certain: Staal has now got a lot of competition coming in behind him. And guys the New York Rangers wanna see in the NHL sooner than later.

E


Thu Jul 20 2017 12:44 pm EST

tdchi: All good points but I think the Russian kid is also in the mix. I think the top 4 are fixed but we could see two new additions on the bottom 2. I still think it is a possibility Stall could be in the press box.

gene_carr


Thu Jul 20 2017 11:01 am EST

re: McCAMBRIDGE - I'm a big GERNANDER fan and always have been...but the Pack last year was a team that was lost. They weren't nearly as bad as their record suggested...And while their defense was highly suspect(as was their goaltending)...this was a team that just crumbled. The last game I saw versus the Albany Devils...they came out playing very welll...were ahead by a couple goals...but all it took was a few soft ones and it was like the whole team threw its arms up and said 'gah...here we go again...' Just no determination. Could have ended the game halfway through the second, because they weren't coming back...and the difference between the team in the first minutes of the first and the last minutes of the second? Night and day. So maybe it was confidence...taking the right attitude. It wasn't like the team gave up...everyone continued to skate hard...but you could read it on their faces...they were beaten in their own minds.

tdchi


Thu Jul 20 2017 10:56 am EST

A quick review of Pitt's defense shows that they are pretty well balanced (unlike St.Legs) as far as LHD / RHD is concerned... Down the LHS they have COLE, MAATA, HUNWICK and down the RHS they have LETANG, SCHULTZ, RUHWEDEL, and they're carrying a big LHS Brian Dumoulin (currently unsigned RFA) as they're 7th defender... Their only other unsigned player to date is RFA CONOR SHEARY and they currently have $10.380 mill in cap space to work with and they are in fine shape cap-wise for next season…............ Maata/Bozak trade: Olli Maata is signed for 4 years at $4,083,333 and Bozak has 1 yr remaining at $4.2mill so cap-wise this doesn’t help Toronto and Pitt would then need a LHS D’man.. Unless this trade is expanded and Pitt can land a LHS D from elsewhere, I don’t think they’ll move MAATA. That doesn’t mean that BOZAK “is not” on their radar.. http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=PIT

mf


Thu Jul 20 2017 10:56 am EST

Rhet0ric - yeah, but aren't the Leafs' cap concerns largely on paper? Even if they have to wait, couldn't that hammer out a deal now and then bump LUPUL and HORTON on the IR? Frankly, I think if a defender like MAATTA is available for the likes of BOZAK, I just can't see the Leafs settling for HOLDEN. He is by far the inferior of the two.

tdchi


Thu Jul 20 2017 7:20 am EST

What will head coach Keith McCambridge bring to the Wolf Pack? ...http://fulltiltnyr.com/expectations-new-head-coach-keith-mccambridge/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 20 2017 7:18 am EST

TD.... TO is approx. $3.929 Million over the cap. They can't afford to take on more money, they need to get cap compliant. Holdern is still taking on money, but a lot less and they could get' under the cap if they traded Bozak straight up for him. Pittsburgh is under the cap but they still can't afford to take on much money due to contracts next season. So, really, where is the match between Pitt. and TO? it's been reported that TO is looking for primarily picks and/or prospects. Unless they get more suitors, I just don't see that happening. There have also been rumors that they're looking to ALSO deal JVR. Now if they could move him for picks/prospects, then maybe they'd consider trading for Maata. Then again, maybe not. They really need to clear out a couple of contracts and not take a lot of money back.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jul 20 2017 7:08 am EST

Regarding STAAL - Can't stress this enough: He's going NOWHERE. Bad season+bad contract+bad buyout figures+no desire to play elsewhere=Staal in New York. If they can get him paired with a reliable partner and not a defensive liability, Staal would be a fine third pairing guy. And I suspect that is the plan. I think a lot of the fans who see Staal as this black hole on defense are also looking at his contract and the terms thereof. You cut Staal loose tomorrow, and he'll have the exact same or even better contract that GIRARDI signed. I think it's fair to say Staal hasn't been the same since his eye injury...but he's far from a liability. The guy will likely be bottom six...and his minutes will go down a bit...but no way do I see him sitting on the bench as a seventh defender. Even excluding HOW he's played, it's pretty clear AV still views him as an integral part of the team. I think the real question at this point is who his partner is. I DON'T see how or why the Rangers would keep HOLDEN...makes no sense at all, when there is more than one team looking for a blueliner like him...so that leaves SMITH, DeANGELO or PIONK...Think DeAngelo would be more of the same, unless he's seriously changed his game in the past three months...and Smith looked real good with SKJEI...and appears to be in the top 4. So that leaves Pionk, IMO, which could be a pretty good bottom line pairing.

tdchi


Thu Jul 20 2017 6:58 am EST

If the Leafs are getting up MAATTA for BOZAK then I believe the Penguins are the ones who will land him. I don't see why the Leafs would go for HOLDEN over Maatta, who if healthy, could develop into a top-pairing defenseman. Holden? WYSIWYG.

tdchi


Wed Jul 19 2017 6:03 pm EST

Irving what's the percentage of your mooferator being right? 1%? You doing even the blind squirrelie finds nuts ? What setting is it on wishful thinking?

Stevielegs


Wed Jul 19 2017 5:44 pm EST

mf: You've tried the Staal to TO angle previously. There's ZERO chance the Leafs want Staal.

rf4l


Wed Jul 19 2017 5:42 pm EST

Do the Leafs want Marc Staal? They can throw in JVR in addition to Bozak... Tweak accordingly to get er done

mf


Wed Jul 19 2017 5:30 pm EST

The Maatta for Bozak deal doesn't make sense for the Leafs from a cap perspective - it's basically a wash salary wise. In addition, the Leafs are seeking a top end d-man. Is Maatta that? Arguably I suppose but I am certain not what the Leafs have in mind. Guarantee that the Leafs have asked McDonagh or Skeji.

rf4l


Wed Jul 19 2017 5:09 pm EST

In regard to Tyler Bozak, reportedly it's been down to the Penguins and the NYR. Allegedly, the Pens want to deal OLLI MÄÄTTÄ for Bozak(and reunite Bozak with Kessel). TO needs to clear out salary and not add to it, but they are also not in love with Holden either. They still have time to review their options, but TO has to clear us their cap issue before the season begins.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 19 2017 5:03 pm EST

Nice thought mf, but unless the Canes GM goes on a bourbon bender, or if GORTON has pictures of him pissing on an underage male prostitute, I can't fathom a single reason why they'd do that. Carolina is absolutely STACKED with D. And while I'm sure there's an allure to reuniting brothers, they'd have to be foolhardy to want Staal's contract. Maybe if we ate $2 million they would...But then you need to hope Staal wants to leave town...and I haven't read anything from him that suggests he does...no, more likely he finishes out next season and gets bought out.

tdchi


Wed Jul 19 2017 4:45 pm EST

I concur that this has been an excellent off-season so far for Gorton and the Rangers. I am finding myself more excited by the by the upcoming season now that in the previous 2 summers. Am I saying this because I think right now the team is better than this time last summer? No. Am I saying this because I believe the team has a better chance a deep PO run next spring? No. Am I saying this because I didn't believe in this team the last 2 summers (from a deep PO run capability perspective). I am saying this because I believe tweaking to continue the status quo while the cap room steadily decreases and the average age of the team goes in the opposite direction was not the right way to go. Been there, done that. Changes are needed and that involves getting younger and addressing the depleted feeder system. Gorton appears to be doing that. And clearly, he's not done - we just don't know what else he might be working on and when/if it'll come to fruition. Either way, for me it's refreshing.

rf4l


Wed Jul 19 2017 1:28 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/short-term-deal-for-parayko-isn-t-worst-case-scenario-for-the-blues

mf


Wed Jul 19 2017 11:58 am EST

The "Tra-der-ator" has a huge ego too, have Marc Staal been traded to Carolina for Dahlbeck & picks, and Nick Holden to Toronto for Bozak yet? Talk about Cap Management! Our current cap room is $8,400,500 add Staal's $5,700,000 and Holden's $1,650,000 = $15,750,000 then subtract Bozaks $4,200,000 salary we'd have $11,550,500 in cap space with Zibanejad yet to be signed.... If Z'bad commanded $5.5mill per year we'd still have $6 million in cap room....... Let's Go Shopping! :->)

mf


Wed Jul 19 2017 7:30 am EST

Athletes have huge egos. They could not make it to the NHL if they did not. If and when Stall is approached with the reality of filling the 7th D man slot, he will be, IMO, receptive to being moved. A life time of work is dedicated to playing the game and not watching from the press box.

gene_carr


Wed Jul 19 2017 7:05 am EST

WILD/TD.... In a couple of short years, we went from having meh goaltending prospects, to being pretty good to being terrific. Every time we let a guy go who was average, we signed/drafted a guy who was far superior. Instead of signing a veteran for our AHL team(which many teams do), we signed another guy who's a quality prospect. Gorton is having a great postseason so far; he has some work left to do, but he's still having a great postseason .....Stevie... Not sure what the point of your post of Tue Jul 18 2017 3:20 am EST was but it corroborates what I said, so... thank you?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 19 2017 6:48 am EST

Ola - Putting aside what the guy does on the off-season, what part of the pre-injury ZIBANEJAD did you not like? The guy was absolutely flying. I would actually argue that his best performance last season --aside from maybe the playoffs versus Ottawa --was the game right before he got injured. The guy was a beast. In truth, he looked his worst right after he got back from injury when he was supposedly in the 'best shape of the season.' And casting ALL of this aside, $5 million per is what you're paying for a center like Z in the NHL today. Rangers could bridge deal him...give him $4.5 million over two years, with the hope one of their young drafted centers is ready to make the leap to top-line center...but that's EXACTLY the kind of deal that ends up leading to situations like STEPAN and STAAL and GIRARDI...these 'pay me later' deals...no need for it. Lock Z up for $5 million over six years and call it a day. If he's fat and not committed to his game, then trade him. He's still cheaper than Brass or Step. And even if he is out of shape, he plays the game well enough to earn that money.

tdchi


Wed Jul 19 2017 6:45 am EST

BTW, Daniel Catenacci had agreed to a one-year, $650,000 deal with the Rangers. The contract guarantees him a salary of $100,000 in the minors. That leaves Z-BAD as the lone holdout.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 19 2017 6:32 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich spoke with Championat in Russia and said the following: ...He is spending more time with family in Russia this summer but will travel to New York soon to prepare for the season. ...Losing Derek Stepan is a "substantial loss" but the team has young players like JT Miller and Kevin Hayes that will get more experience and should be better next season. ...His focus is on playing this season without injuries. ...His back is healed and he spent time with the medical staff of his former team in the KHL. ...He isn't afraid of "Russian torturer" Lindy Ruff and that Ruff will be working with the defense. ...The AHL is "classic North American hockey" and features a lot of hitting and fighting. ...He was supported by his teammates during his goal drought. ...He looks at his season as "mixed" due to his injuries and that after he returned from injury he didn't have a definite spot in the lineup. ...He thinks that the Olympics played a big role in Ilya Kovalchuk staying in Russia. ...He isn't confident yet to speak in English but he and his teammates understand each other. ...He went to Central Park once. ...He associates Vegas with The Hangover and is looking forward to playing there. ...He has communicated and is ready to help and work with Alexei Bereglazov as he adjusts to America.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jul 19 2017 3:48 am EST

Wild- Too much smoke for there to be no fire with Zib. He needs to pick it up. You cannot live a jet set lifestyle and devote yourself enough to really build up your physics.

Ola


Tue Jul 18 2017 6:53 pm EST

RF4L: right! After I wrote that I actually thought "I should be doing something more constructive" but then my overall lazy feeling started and I sat back down in front of the TV. Butnin ly defense I work two jobs, volunteer and have been doing heavy remodeling of my house.....so I guess I needed a break....if investigating the offseason dealings of a player is a break!

Wildcard


Tue Jul 18 2017 6:06 pm EST

Wow....dog days for sure, worrying about a Ranger player's off-season antics and whether or not he's working out. LOL...hope a big trade or 2 happens soon!

rf4l


Tue Jul 18 2017 5:44 pm EST

And just for shits and grins I looked at ZBads girls instagram. So in May she posted from all over the place. Then in June it was all Sweeded (coensides with his posts working out there) and July and forward Ottawa....so in May she traveled and ZBad likely with her....but June/July has been in Sweeded or Ottawa. Just looking at the dates it appears that they took May or a big chunk or ot as a vacation. Then he went back to "work" while also being home in Sweden and then they went to Ottawa (or at least she did) which she calls home on Instagram. Sounds kinda normal on that front.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 18 2017 5:33 pm EST

Ola: Ottawa rumors had the same thing to say about Chara and others....seems every player that moves on from there is labeled as out of shape and not willing to work out. And so what, he travels...so does Zucc and Hank and just about every other player. Traveling doesn't mean not working out. I just think it's dangerous to start looking at a persons private life in tiny little snapshots and decide who they are. I mean back in June he tweeted out a picture of himself wearing a NYR sweatshirt with "intervals in the rain" as the title.....he also put that out on instagram along with a little clip of another workout. I think Ottawa has Crap strength and conditioning coaches, how many guys have been labeled as out of shape and lazy from there only to move on and show they are just as good as anyone else.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 18 2017 5:06 pm EST

If Bozak has year this year like he last year, he won't have to take a pay-cut. Even at 32 on the open market (next year) he'll likely fetch a contract that's 3 to 4 years at $5,000,000. Last year he put up 55 points, equalling the output of Derek Stepan with far less PP time. He also is one of the better FO men in the league and his 2 way game is equal to Stepan's.

rf4l


Tue Jul 18 2017 4:25 pm EST

I don't see how or why the Rangers would bring HOLDEN back, unless they see DeANGELO as a seventh defender and envision both PIONK and BEREGLAZOV as Hartford-bound. The latter has an KHL-out clause, so if he doesn't make the team, there's a good chance he's gone...and Pionk, by most accounts, is NHL-ready...regardless...Holden is a guy we got for a fourth rounder who had a career year last season. If Gorton rolls into camp with the D as we have it now and hoping things shake out...well...that's foolish. Staal ain't going anywhere...Logical choice is to trade the fifth left hander in the lineup for something we can use.

tdchi


Tue Jul 18 2017 3:15 pm EST

If all Gorton does is resign Z'bad our defensive depth is pretty solid "with" Holden & Staal onboard while we incorporate another rookie & his associated risk known as DeAngelo into the starting lineup... If DeAngelo falters, we still have Holden/Staal...... However, I'd jump at the opportunity to move Marc Staal and continue the reshaping of this teams personnel and contracts as CMark alludes to...... Once Z'bad is resigned, "IF" HOLDEN gets you BOZAK, I'd jump at that opportunity asap..... There are enough LHS Dmen out there if the injury bug hits the LHS & maybe we can even look within to a guy like Graves in a oinch....... Looking forward, a guy like Bozak might be eager to re-up with the Rangers for 3-4 years at a very "pallatable" amount even if he ultimately gets pushed down to 3rd line center which is a good dilemma to have....

mf


Tue Jul 18 2017 3:08 pm EST

If Z was out of shape at the start of the season, then man...he'd be a goddamn generational player if he ever got in shape. The guy was a beast until he broke his leg.

tdchi


Tue Jul 18 2017 3:02 pm EST

OLA: FWIW players not being shape has not been an issue with the New York Rangers for seasons now. And Zib might've just needed to be around guys who are huge gym rats. As many are on the NYR. You got some real physical specimens on that team. From the captain to their top PK guy, to their resident hobbit.

E


Tue Jul 18 2017 2:58 pm EST

Unlike other positions that have to adjust from big ice to little ice I think goalies have one of the least issues. Players still snap shorter cross ice passes looking to catchy the goalie moving. So, it's not like a goalie has all night to slide across while they send a puck E-W. I mean Lundqvist didn't have to adjust too much when coming over from Europe. With goaltending you either got it or you don't. As long as the quality of the competition is good. And the KHL is a highly skilled league.

E


Tue Jul 18 2017 2:55 pm EST

I saw a long interview with Zibanejad. His wife/gf is a real fashionista/jet-set:er/blogger/insta etc etc etc (I don't know these terms too well lol) from Ottawa. They obviously loved it in Ottawa, but going to NY was extreme jack-pot for them. No doubt about it -- Mika would LOVE to stay in NY. On the other hand, Zibs has reportedly shown up out of shape for camp in Ottawa several times. For us, it was reported that he was in better shape when he returned from rehabbing his broken leg than when camp started. That is not a good sign. AV called him out and said that he had to make up his mind. Zibs has just finished his first music release, as some kind of DJ. Check his GFs insta, they are constantly travelling all across the world, back and forth. Mexico. Croatia. Rock-festival in Sweden. US. Sweden. I don't think its a good idea to lock him up long-term and pay him the real buck.

Ola


Tue Jul 18 2017 2:53 pm EST

I don't think Holden is necessarily going anywhere. He is inexpensive and has played well in spurts. He probably was getting a little too much ice time last season but that's because of lack of depth. Hopefully he's going to get bumped down and into minutes that I think will better fit. A big body who can make an outlet pass is huge in the AV mantra. But when the defense thinned out, Holden was in over his head I think.

E


Tue Jul 18 2017 2:45 pm EST

I know people aren't sold on Gorton or this team, but it is refreshing to look at the CapFriendly site and see no one signed beyond four years from now. Sure, the Hank and Staal contracts are lousy, and even Nash's sucks (but for only one year). But you don't see guys signed for long term contracts that are gifts that keep on giving! Figure that if the Rangers fall out of playoff contention NASH is a contract we can move at the deadline. Outside of Hank, the next contracts are STAAL, Shattenkirk, and Smith, all of which have some sort of NMC or NTC but after three years they will all still have some trade appeal if we don't want to keep them. I'm imagining Shattenkirk will re-up if he plays well in New York and Smith seems like the playoff warrior we need long term. Both of those guys will be 32 when the contract ends. Now all we need to do is trade Holden and maybe find a taker for Staal.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jul 18 2017 1:00 pm EST

Wild: I concur the goalie wealth is encouraging but all except this newly signed Russian kid are a few years away. The KHLer arguably is NHL ready but has 2 more years left on his deal that apparently he's got intentions of breaking to ride the buses in the AHL. I saw an interview with Gorton who said the Rangers are fine with him playing there provided he's getting good minutes, which he certainly did last year.

rf4l


Tue Jul 18 2017 11:54 am EST

td: Still, even with what you say about goalies, and I agree, they are more hit or miss than almost any other position. However, the point still stands about the Rangers depth there...I can't find any teams that have 2 let alone 3 or 4 guys who are doing well at the lower levels. Most teams have 1, some 2, but really, goalie depth seems to be a problem league wide....the Rangers are in a better position than most, and that may get them the chance to move one of these kids for a larger return than is really deserved. And they have the unique ability to know these kids a little better since they get to see them in camps. Hopefully they can spin one of them into a decent pick or prospect, or have them be part of a larger deal that fill a larger need.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 18 2017 11:44 am EST

Rhet: Summer sun bakin your noggin? Send Holden a virtual tour of the Condo and get yourself half the commission.. ;-)

mf


Tue Jul 18 2017 11:31 am EST

Incidentally, the Team USA junior showcase is underway. Two Rangers prospects are there: Tim GETTINGER and Sean DAY...the latter is pretty much a shoe-in to make the team. Gettinger probably has a 50-50 chance if making the cut...probably a little less...but if he does make the roster? That would be a HUGE accolade for him. Team USA will have a very strong team this year.

tdchi


Tue Jul 18 2017 11:27 am EST

Goaltending depth is relative. I agree, this signing is great. All positive. And if I remember correctly from the WJCs, this kid is pretty good. Got the Russians a silver during a year when they weren't expected to come away with a medal. But I've seen too many goalies play lights out at the WJCs and in college and even in the AHL and then come to the NHL and not be able to stop a bowling ball...Take the O'Connor kid for instance. Guy was pretty darn good in the NCAA...and I remember thinking he could be a great UFA signing...maybe even an Hank understudy...but he's sucked in the AHL...enough to earn him an ECHL assignment...another is Thatcher DEMKO. Was pretty lights-out for BC...but again, struggled his first year in the A....guy who I think epitomizes this the most, however, is Jack CAMPBELL, who some thought would solve Dallas' long-standing issues in net...they guy has more hardware than you can imagine...Calder Cup, WJC gold...WC bronze...but he's going on 25 and now an afterthought in the Kings organization...just totally unable to translate his lower success into even a backup role in the NHL...so GEORGIEV is a great signing...and man, do I hope he brings it in Hartford...But among the rest, the only guy I think of as a hole-in-one is SHESTERKIN. Huge fan of Adam HUSKA, but I'll reserve judgement on even him, given how tough it is for goalies to adjust. Certainly, though, the number of promising tenders is a good thing. I think the chances of one of these guys becoming Hank's backup next year is very high.

tdchi


Tue Jul 18 2017 10:23 am EST

Tyler Bozak’s downtown condo is up for sale..... https://theleafsnation.com/2017/07/17/tyler-bozaks-downtown-condo-is-up-for-sale/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jul 18 2017 6:54 am EST

Rhet: before this young G was signed I had looked around and could not find a team as deep in net when it comes to prospects. There might be a team or two that have a guy who seems like he will be far and away better, but that kid in the KHL ( I don't want to butcher his name) who is NYR property is looks really really good and it's hard to say a prospect will be better than another when they are near he top in their current league. However those teams have no one or not much behind their top guy the Rangers have what, 3 now behind their top goalie prospect who have a shot at being at least backups? At some point I think we will see at least one of these kids moved. Perhaps if this new kid shows really well in the AHL this year they will move one of Huska or Wall at the deadline, be that for picks or prospects or in a package who knows, but the crease in the minors will be crowded in a season or two as these kids move up.

Wildcard


Tue Jul 18 2017 3:20 am EST

"Clubs and players may come to an agreement before the arbitration process begins, or prior to any official ruling from the meeting. On the other hand, if an arbitration hearing does take place, then the decision must be issued (via email) within 48 hours of its conclusion. If the decision ultimately is made by an arbitrator, the contract can only be one or two years long, depending on who opted for this process originally. If a team elects for arbitration, then the player has the ultimate say on the term, and vice-versa. However, if a player is in their final year of restricted free agency eligibility, then they can only extend for one season."

Stevielegs


Mon Jul 17 2017 11:35 pm EST

Stevie.... The team has the choice of term since he took them to arbitration and I highly doubt they will select a 2-year term.... TD... I Swore off Blue Line Station years ago because of their click-bait B.S. Going through 11 pages to see the UFA's the NYR should target? Hard PASS! I detest that crap.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 17 2017 11:31 pm EST

I mentioned the other day that it was rumored that the NYR signed goalie prospect Alexander Georgiev. Per Cap Friendly today, the NYR did indeed sign him to a 3 year Entry Level contract with a $792,500 per cap hit. Good signing by the organization. We may now have the deepest goalie prospects in the NHL. Crazy good.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jul 17 2017 8:32 pm EST

Rf he will be looking for similar money as the 2 lightning just got .

Stevielegs


Mon Jul 17 2017 8:30 pm EST

ZBAD fired his agent , his brother is his agent now. I Doubt he signs for more than 2 years. He can then be an ufa. Minimum will be probably $4.5 per .

Stevielegs


Mon Jul 17 2017 8:19 pm EST

another internet laggard!?! ... https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/ny-rangers/mika-zibanejad-contract-big-issue-new-york-rangers/

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