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Sat Oct 20 2018 8:39 am EST

Vic - what's to say that player isn't already in the organization? Also, I'll point out that the Bruins, which have perhaps the best, most-complete top line in the NHL right now, drafted it with a 45th overall, 71st overall, and a 25th overall. And with two of those three guys, they won the cup...Look, I'd love to get HUGHES...and with the lottery, there's always a chance we will...but man...they have a lot of sucking to do to out-suck the Red Wings...losing Hank wouldn't be enough...and even if they did, they still wouldn't be guaranteed anything but a few extra balls in the drawing.

tdchi


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:37 am EST

RF4L: I really want to reply but I just don't have time right now. Maybe tonight or tomorrow. I'm out for the rest of the day.

Vic


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:34 am EST

RDW - RONNING'S goal was nice. And I'm glad for the kid. He's been in and out of the lineup...not sure why...and I think he was in yesterday for GROPP...but would be nice if that marker gets him a few more game starts...the goal I was more impressed with was ANDERSSON'S...it's that type of play I want to see on the Rangers...a guy parked in the crease, not afraid of battling the opposition's blueline and chipping in loose pucks...I can't think of a guy since CALLAHAN who really did that for the Rangers...and man, did the Pack pepper the Sens with shots...Andersson had six by himself. That reflects a chance in philosophy for this organization and the Ranger franchise as a whole: Good things happen when you get pucks on net. The Quinnian mantra. The sad part is this is what they teach you from learn-to-skate on...and for some reason, this philosophy escaped the Rangers for the past decade or so.

tdchi


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:33 am EST

Vic: You know I concur with your viewpoint but do you think the Rangers should be doing their best not to win (i.e. the King should be playing every 2nd game)?

rF4l


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:30 am EST

And I like the early (and indeed it's very VERY early) returns on DQ. For sure, the return to more north and south shoot first and go to net hockey is refreshing, not to mention superior defensive coverage and a banishment of the turn the other check, if you retaliate you'll be benched philosophy.

rF4l


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:29 am EST

But seriously, we've had this argument so many times over the last 10 to 15 years that I just don't have the energy to do it again. Can you build a Cup winning team that doesn't have at least one elite player drafted in the top few picks of the draft?? Yes, it is possible. But it has only been done once in the last 20 years. The position you are taking is kind of the same thing as if you were having an argument with a guy who said he couldn't get to work on a unicycle. When you argue forcefully that he absolutely can you are correct. But the reality is that getting to work on a unicycle is not the best or fastest way to get there. So I'm not going to argue with you about the need to have young, top elite players drafted at the top of the draft. The evidence is overwhelming. I'll let you worry about how the Rangers get those guys.

Vic


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:26 am EST

I think it's pretty obvious the organization doesn't want to tank. Just playing the King in 6 of 7 games is evidence enough of that. And personally, as much as I like the notion of drafting Jack Hughes next June, every time I watch the Rangers play the same old feelings surface - I get pissed at dumb mistakes, lousy passes, etc because I want them to win. In between games and if I don't watch, I can look at losses in a better light. A player like Hughes is exactly what this team needs and hasn't had since Messier round one. In looking at the standings, if the season was over now, the Rangers would enter the lottery at 27th...

rF4l


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:24 am EST

stevielegs - hahah! See what a little gin buzz will do? Yeah man, there's just absolutely no guarantee with the draft lottery. Hell, the Flyers ended up with the second-overall pick for finishing like 13th worst...and Colorado...with a dismal 48 points(I didn't even think it was possible to suck that bad) landed the fourth overall...and to be honest, while HUGHES is certainly the prize, this is a very deep draft...picking anywhere in the top 10 will land you a very good player...the other thing is, I don't think any team is going to out-suck Detroit. That team is gawd-awful...and I gotta say: I really like the direction Quinn is taking the team...more shots on net...more accountability...less razzle-dazzle...more lunch-pail hockey...The Rangers might not end the season with a good record, but from what I see so far, this year will be a very large step toward re-establishing them in the east.

tdchi


Sat Oct 20 2018 8:23 am EST

TD: I have filed a complaint with the SCLU (Southern Civil Liberties Union) regarding your cultural appropriation of the word Y'all. You will be hearing from their lawyers soon..... ;-)

Vic


Sat Oct 20 2018 6:25 am EST

Tdchi I said that in 2 vague sentences. You did a better job . Luckily the facts seem to be the mighty Quinney is not tanking for nobody. The nyr rebuild fan base can only wish for a #1 pick which is still no guarantee of a Cup. Building a team with chemistry and hard work is what it takes. They have to create that culture and stick to it. Keeping hanky can only help his heir to the throne, and help the nyr . There are plenty of reasons they haven’t won the Cup with him . And he’s not blameless in that fact. But you couldn’t ask for a better role model for all the kids to look up to and follow , except messier who some still hate even with 1994 , many want Hank gone so the nyr can rebuild and lose for 5 years. I’d rather do it with him , and it looks like the mighty Quinney agrees.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 10:34 pm EST

Nice goal by Ronning... https://www.recordonline.com/sports/20181019/video-nhl-farm-report-oct-19-hartford-edges-belleville

RDW


Fri Oct 19 2018 10:17 pm EST

TD...lol...rrlax dude...not all are gonna align to your viewpoint. Come to Canada and enjoy the legalized pot laws. It'll mellow you! ;^)

RF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 9:26 pm EST

Well, there it goes. Someone has hit the crazy switch on the Wall again...So let's get this straight: Gorton nails the reset button like everyone wanted...makes from what I can tell three...possibly four good trades...totally revamps the farm system over two drafts, with the prospect of adding a significant piece come June...and wait...he hasn't gone far enough?! WOW guys. Just wow. And now we're blaming LUNDQVIST, the guy who literally bleeds blue?! SUPER-WOW. Get the Wall some lithium, because Houston, we have a goddamn problem...First, let me dip into one of the many reasons I fucking hate the Penguins...because that stinking shitbag team has made some of you equate being a losing, worthless tanking franchise with landing the cup...which is SO not the case...Certainly, having CROSBY and MALKIN...or BACKSTROM and OVECHKIN on your roster helps...but so often folks forget that the Pens with Crosby and Malkin couldn't get over the top to land a cup until someone with a fraction of a brain cell in Pittsburgh decided they really needed a true leader to pull the team across the finish line and grabbed Bill GUERIN. And then whoever that genius was must have left the team, because then it was another almost another DECADE before another cup came...and it took the damn Leafs hitting the reset button to make THAT happen...but I digress...the NHL is literally littered with franchises that have been awful for years and have nothing to show for it...the Isles...the Oilers...the Jackets...the Sabres, and up until last season(thanks to the utterly weak and pathetic West), the Capitals...teams that for good or for bad...for whatever reason...have f'ing SUCKED...Edmonton tanked for McDAVID...and while they're exciting...guess what? They STILL suck. And don't get me started on Buffalo. Here we are seven games into the season and this goddamn shithole franchise STILL can't land a winning record...So TANK you say? REALLY?! Well, here's a little something I've learned in my years playing on hockey teams: LOSING BREEDS LOSERS. If you accept being a loser, you're going to lose. Once it's OK to half-ass it...Once that culture is embedded...well, it's sort of like a dog getting blasted by a skunk. Gonna take a lot of time and tomato juice to get that stink out...so this shit about "Lose for Hughes" ...really funny as it may be...is BS...And if the Rangers under Quinn find themselves in a position where they take all the talent on the roster and bury it in Hartford...just for a crack at this kid...then they deserve to be a loser franchise that never wins the cup...fortunately, though, I haven't gotten the impression that this sort of thinking has ever crossed Quinn OR Gorton's mind...Rather they want their guys to compete. They're not rushing anyone..they've made it clear to both the players and the fans that this season will have it's bumps and won't be pretty at times...and so far, what I'VE seen...well, it's exceeded my expectations by a fair degree...I see kids that are hungry and while they may not be at the level of other teams...well, they've been in almost every game thus far this season, with the sole exception being Carolina, where they just sucked...The game against the Caps was a grand example...they didn't quit. They faced up the Cup champs...and while I was getting ready to watch a royal ass-kicking, they came out with a point...and could have very well won that game...it was a toss up...just as easily could have gone the other way...So why bury CHYTIL and GEORGIEV and (insert name of kid here)? For a crack at Hughes? Or for the equally ludicrous reason to "slide" a fucking contract?!? WOW. Again I say. Wow. Get the lithium drip. Y'all need it.

tdchi


Fri Oct 19 2018 9:01 pm EST

When you think about the timelines having Lundqvist is no big deal. You figure Shesterkin might be over as soon as next season. Lundqvist wasn’t going to lose his slot this season. And next season Shesterkin might be up and down. So, the soonest Lundqvist’s spot is legitimately in jeopardy is more then a season away. So, Henrik is sitting in a good position till 2020. And while he may not win a cup in that time he’s in good position job wise. Only wildcard? Georgee just outplays Lundqvist so much he takes his job away.

E


Fri Oct 19 2018 8:27 pm EST

Wolfpack win 4-3. Ronning & Andersson with goal. Geo with the win!

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 19 2018 7:40 pm EST

Blaming hanky is not really logical. Fishboy and his bosses are in charge , not hanky. If ZBAD scores 40 goals is he to blame too ?

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 7:37 pm EST

Stevie...only breath holding here is cuz of the new pot laws!!! I was simply explaining the statement that Lundqvist is screwing up the rebuild. It's more about your interpretation of rebuild.

RF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 7:14 pm EST

Rf4l don’t hold your breath and pray to the tooth fairy. There are 23 professionals on the team who are getting paid and should want to earn their pay and many hope to get a raise on their next contract. The mighty Quinney is here to try to win not to lose and that’s what he’s demanding from his players.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 7:09 pm EST

Semi forgotten man scores....Ty Ronning!!

RF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 6:31 pm EST

Wolf Pack goal! Lias Andersson scores unassisted making it 1-1 with under 13 minutes to go in the 1st

tlats


Fri Oct 19 2018 6:13 pm EST

If you believe the rebuild needs to include Jack Hughes then the King hurts the rebuild by being so good..

RF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 5:38 pm EST

How is hanky hurting the rebuild? Want to play Georgiev and a retread instead ? Hank is a leader for kids to follow.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 4:50 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago "You can definitely feel the confidence level starting to rise a little bit." -#NYR Coach Quinn

stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 4:41 pm EST

I like this kid more and more..... per Jess Rubenstein ‏ @TheProspectpark .... Joey Keane the 2018 3rd round pick is being suspended for 2 games for his actions last night. Keane got into a fight after the final buzzer which is pretty much an automatic suspension.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 19 2018 4:39 pm EST

the mighty quinn is trying to win not lose. that is the correct culture for any team , not matter what . especially for rebuilding, otherwise leave all the kids in Hartford.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 4:19 pm EST

Ratelle1967, it's not the point i was making. My point was that more games we loose, closer we will be to have Hankie asking for a trade. You can't bench him and he does have a NT. So he has to be the one, asking for a trade..

andrei


Fri Oct 19 2018 2:49 pm EST

I would add, my problem with our rebuild is I fear it is a half assed rebuild. When I see Hank in the nets game after game, I wonder if there is intelligent life in ranger management. Eat half his salary and trade him. Next two years no reason to worry about cap space as we don't have anyone eligible for free agency that we need to keep that bad.

Ratelle1967


Fri Oct 19 2018 2:16 pm EST

Andrei. Lundquist wants to live in Manhattan and summer in Sweden. He has no trade and 8.5 million cap hit. Arguably the greatest goaltender in nyr history. Decidedly the least interested star player in winning a cup. Compare to Crosby's 8.7 million cap hit. At 12 million, Crosby would be a bargain. He took 8.7 for ten years. His 3 cups have resulted from that decision. We should never have given Hank that deal. This is why a rebuild is needed and we need to play tokarski in goal every other game or more to help with that process. Not play Hank to get him to accept trade.

Ratelle1967


Fri Oct 19 2018 1:11 pm EST

andrei: Ah, didn't think you meant they were going to pick up 4.5 per year for the rest of the contract. Not really sure the Rangers would be willing to do that.

RDW


Fri Oct 19 2018 1:04 pm EST

RangerProud ‏ @RangerProud 1h1 hour ago With no Shattenkirk or Claesson (presumed maintenance), here’s #NYR? ? practice: Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast, Chytil-Hayes-Zuccarello, Vesey-Howden-Namestnikov, Buchnevich-Spooner-Lettieri. Skjei-Pionk, Staal-Smith, DeAngelo-McQuaid.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 1:03 pm EST

Lines at practice same as at the start of last game: 20-93-17; 72-13-36; 26-21-90; 89-23-95. 8 and 39 (Beleskey, in a red, no-contact jersey) are rotating in on bottom two lines. D pairs: 18-42; 76-44, 77-54. ............Shattenkirk and Claesson had maintenance days, according to DQ. Both expected to practice tomorrow..........Plan for Georgiev is to go down and come back up very soon - certainly before the team goes on the road next week............ Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 51m51 minutes ago Beleskey (shoulder) and Boo Nieves (concussion) are making progress, DQ says. Beleskey skated in practice (no-contact jersey) and Nieves skated on his own before practice.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:59 pm EST

guess hanky stays...... New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 6m6 minutes ago "We're making good strides right now. I think our game is coming together." - #NYR Brady Skjei after the team was back on the ice for practice today.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:43 pm EST

RDW, that's not how it works. if Rangers pick up a 1/2 of his salary, that would be for the remaining of the contract.

andrei


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:32 pm EST

andrei: The team that would want Hank would have to be cool with him making 8.5 next year and the year after that...

RDW


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:26 pm EST

RDW, Hank's salary is not a problem. Rangers can pick up 1/2 of his salary. At $4.250 his salary is not bad at all...

andrei


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:11 pm EST

ranger47: It's irrelevant when Chytil plays the games this season - once he hits 10 games the Rangers lose a year on his ELC.

rF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 12:02 pm EST

Cap issues and Hank's contract are just as much a factor in him not getting traded as anything else. How many contenders can fit him under the cap? Maybe if Rinne blows his knee out he could go to Nashville but I'm not seeing a lot of teams who could take him right now, if he would even agree to go in the first place.

RDW


Fri Oct 19 2018 11:36 am EST

correction. There are at most, 2-3 players on the current team that will be on the team when rebuilding process is complete.

andrei


Fri Oct 19 2018 11:34 am EST

I think i have maid my opinion known. There should be no reason why Chytil and Georgiev are on the Rangers roster. They should in Hartford, playing big minutes. Having Takarski as a starting goaltender down in AHL does nothing in terms of the franchise future. Playing Hank on back to back night is another total waist, just like getting stupid points in OT. Funny part is that same people who complain about how bad the roster is how we can never get a young superstar, same people rooting for the team to win games. Winning games does nothing accept lowering a chance to get a player we all want rangers to get. Each stupid win make Rangers take a step back in the rebuilding process. There are many 2-3 players on the current team that will be on the team when rebuild is done. I now have my doubts regrading Skjei and Buchnevich. So far, maybe Pionk and Howden are the only one's that you can consider keeping. Rest i want no part of. At some point each of the remaining vets will be shipped out or not resigned. You can't have a contender with Ziba as your top center, nor win playoffs games when Shattenkirk is your top d-man. Zuc/Hayes/McQuaid will all be traded at the trade deadline. More looses takes us closer to Hankie's departure. I just can't see how he will still be motivated to stay put, when Rangers are 18-40-4. More looses and his frustration will only grow by each loss. Hankie, we all love you, but it is time. Go get your cup. One team that might be interesting as far as Hankie's destination. Murray is injury prone. Would't Shitsburg be a good landing stop? Aging Hankie, aging Sidney...

andrei


Fri Oct 19 2018 10:48 am EST

If they do send Chytil down when he hits 10 games could they bring him back up after the trading deadline or would those games still cause the Rangers to lose a year on his contract?

Ranger47


Fri Oct 19 2018 10:37 am EST

This is why I believe Lundqvuist needs to be convinced of a trade this season. The way he is playing now, he is really increasing his value to a contending team. I can easily see a SC contending team in need of superior goaltending trade for him at the deadline if a cup is within sight. The problem is Hank's ego....I believe he'll begin to falter at some point, especially if he continues to handle the majority of starts, and will ultimately tire down. Although, he'll have good, great, and bad moments, one can hope that he heats up at the deadline and Gorty convinces him to move on. With Shesty coming next year, you don't want him blocking both Russians with his ego. And this is coming from one of his biggest fans...always been a big Lundqvuist fan and he will always be a Ranger. But you have to do what's in the best interest of the team and if their is a good return to be had for him (first round and/or top prospect) he has to go. The vision needs to remain on the long-term. The franchise has set the goal and the vision for this to occur, now they must be held accountable and carry that plan out.

NCRanger


Fri Oct 19 2018 10:00 am EST

David Quinn said that right now Filip Chytil is going through the normal ups and downs for a 19-year old and "fighting it a little bit." (NYR).... He said that on some nights Chytil plays with energy but that on Wednesday, in the second half of a back to back, "I thought he was tired." (NYR).... Chytil played on the wing and center in the two games this week and Quinn said that he doesn't think Chytil's issues are related to a position switch and that he likes playing the wing. (NYR).... Quinn added that Chytil is likely dying for a goal and then "the floodgates could open." (NYR).... Larry Brooks writes that the Rangers need to take Chytil's contract into consideration and that if he plays fewer than 10 games in the NHL this season then his contact would "slide" and begin next year. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 19 2018 9:35 am EST

As I was saying yesterday.... Anyone think hank will be willing to play less next season when Shestyorkin is here? I don't.... "Why Lundqvist lobbied to start in back-to-back games this early" .... https://nypost.com/2018/10/18/why-lundqvist-lobbied-to-start-in-back-to-back-games-this-early/

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 19 2018 9:29 am EST

Some obvious points made in Brooks' latest piece, but a good refresher..... "Domino moves Rangers should make as Filip Chytil clock ticks".... https://nypost.com/2018/10/18/domino-moves-rangers-should-make-as-filip-chytil-clock-ticks/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 19 2018 7:10 am EST

Jes, it might! LOLOL...

rF4l


Fri Oct 19 2018 6:57 am EST

STEVIE: Jes, I think it is. It has something to with Canada's new Pot law.....

Vic


Fri Oct 19 2018 4:30 am EST

Jid a Canadian word ?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 18 2018 7:50 pm EST

Check out Anthony Duclair's beauty goal.tonight. shoulda signed this jid...

RF4l


Thu Oct 18 2018 5:25 pm EST

TD: Yep, I agree on LETTIERI. I just hope DQ sees that same value in him.

Vic


Thu Oct 18 2018 2:57 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/18/domino-moves-rangers-should-make-as-filip-chytil-clock-ticks/

stevielegs


Thu Oct 18 2018 2:47 pm EST

Vic - I think I've said this before...my opinion of LETTIERI has done a complete 180. First I saw of him I was more or less unimpressed. Didn't even look as good as some of the lesser college UFAs(i.e. HAGGERTY) the Rangers signed...but from his first appearances with the Pack to camp last year...Boy, what a difference. I still don't think he's going to germinate into a star, but he's already a very serviceable bottom-line player...I know some folks around here have been bagging on him lately, but truth is he has speed, grit and some hands...you know who he reminds me a bit of? Jesper FAST... And I tell you what: These types of players are sometimes just as valuable as the superstars...Low cap hit. Can quietly toe the line...and in a pinch, they can fill in up top...bottom line really is that you're almost never going to get a guy on fourth line who will land you 20-plus goals or be a game-changer. There's a reason they're on fourth line...so what are the expectations for Lettieri? Well, don't be a liability. Score an odd goal here and there...and forecheck the shit out of the other team. I'd say he checks all those boxes...I read here that maybe we should promote GETTINGER or FOGARTY or someone else...well...maybe...but not to demote someone like Lettieri. He's doing just fine where he is and if anything, I kind of wish he'd get a shot playing with a guy like HAYES...Think he and HOWDEN are very complementary as well.

tdchi


Thu Oct 18 2018 2:44 pm EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... As of 3:25 et, Wilson appeal in NYC is still ongoing.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 18 2018 12:55 pm EST

RF4L... DQ said it was the plan for Geo from the beginning, I just wish he got another start before being sent down. You know to get the bad taste of that loss out of his mouth. Oh, well.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 18 2018 12:21 pm EST

Re Geo demotion: A no-brainer correct decision. The next one will be deciding when to recall him. I realize because the Rangers don't play until Sunday and the Pack has games Friday and Saturday, he can get some playing time quickly under his belt. However, if he's gonna be recall just to sit 5 out of the following 6 games, leave him down there and let the other guy watch the King.

rf4L


Thu Oct 18 2018 12:06 pm EST

I have to agree that Chytil should be playing in Hartford. I get why they have kept him up, as the overall lack of skill in this lineup is palpable. No sense that he should be limited by position or ice time by being in NY.

Bob


Thu Oct 18 2018 11:14 am EST

Want to move Chytyl to the wing let him learn in Hartford....He doesn't look comfortable at all to me....

PJ


Thu Oct 18 2018 11:13 am EST

Reply Retweet Like Direct message New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled goaltender Marek Mazanec from @WolfPackAHL..... In addition, the Blueshirts have assigned goaltender Alexandar Georgiev to Hartford.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 18 2018 10:55 am EST

E - I have been against CHYTL at wing from the start..I know they say the defensive responsibilities are easier for a wing but his game is much more suited for center ice (not along or coming off the boards) and playing with at least one really skilled winger..He's not helping himself but i dont think the Rangers have him inn the best place to succeed right now..

Hospo


Thu Oct 18 2018 10:09 am EST

I just haven’t seen Chytl asserting himself and pushing himself to the net. He’s been boxed out. He spends too much time grounded to the low boards. To me? He isn’t a winger. He can learn to be one. Ultimately, he might become a good one even. Right now? No bueno.

E


Thu Oct 18 2018 8:52 am EST

Also, I added a 3rd table to the Texas Pick'em Pool page that shows the current correct answer for each question. (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/2018-2019-pool/)

Vic


Thu Oct 18 2018 8:32 am EST

A couple of other thoughts. In OT VESEY got the puck and he tried to carry it forward and fumbled it away. I yelled at the TV "NO JIMMY!" and my wife said "what? What did he do?". I said he should have passed the puck back into the Rangers zone so that they could establish possession and get a change. Sure enough those 3 guys got stuck out there and the Caps scored. The other thing I told my wife was about the Caps PP. I said "Ok, this will be a goal by OVECHKIN. Just watch. The Rangers are going to leave him all along at the faceoff circle and he is going to score on a one time shot from there. How do I know that? Because the Rangers do it every game against the Caps. Despite the fact that OVECHKIN scores about 30 goals a year like that (and it feels like most of them are against the Rangers) they are going to continue to leave him alone to score from there." Well, clearly I'm no genius because everyone in the building and watching on TV knew it was going to happen again....and again. At this point I cannot understand how the Rangers don't try to change the way they defend the Caps on the PK. Just once I would like to see the coach say "Ok, OVECHKIN and OSHIE are not going to score on this PP. I don't care if someone else does. But we are not going to allow either to get off a shot from less then 60 feet, and we especially aren't going to allow them a shot on a pass through or into the slot." I'd play the PK 3 on 2. I put two guys in OVENCHKIN and OSHIE's underwear and take my chances with the rest. And when you play OSHIE you can't be on his left side. You need to be on his forehand side preventing him from shooting. It is so damn frustrating watching the Rangers do the same damn thing on every PK against the Caps. The results are so predictable.....

Vic


Thu Oct 18 2018 8:13 am EST

So on the game last night......that was a much better game from the Rangers then the game against Colorado. And even though they lost I think it was a game that they can build more off of. First, PIONK was awesome last night. I've said from the start I think he has been their best D (along with McQUAID) since the start of the season. There was no reason he should have been benched for two games other then the numbers game back on D. But last night he took it to another level against the Cup champions. This wasn't Ottawa. It was the Caps and he was dominant last night. I thought CLAESSON was very good last night as well, and that was STAAL's best game of the year. SMITH had some good moments and some bad moments including a failed clear on the PP that cost them a goal. SHATTENKIRK was good as well but it was another off night for SKJEI. I'll just say he was SKJITTY at times. For the forwards, I agree that it was another good game from KREIDER, ZBAD and FAST. HAYES was pretty good and MZA was ok. I thought LETTIERI had an excellent game. He created the lane for PIONK on the Rangers first goal. He blocked shots, forechecked hard, played good D, moved the puck well and got off a few shots. You can't ask for anything more given his ice time, line mates and role. I wish they would put him with HAYES and move MZA to another line. HAYES and LETTIERI compliment one another much better. I think all three players would be more productive. As for the rest of the forwards, I thought VESEY worked hard. HOWDEN has come back down to earth a bit but still played well. Not much to mention after that.

Vic


Thu Oct 18 2018 8:03 am EST

TD: To circle back from last night. You know I love LETTIERI. I've been waiving my LETTIERI pom poms since the start of training camp last year. But the reality of his situation is that he isn't going to get many chances to stick in the NHL. He isn't a top draft pick or a blue chip prospect. He is an undersized, underdog kind of kid who has to play a high energy, smart, physical two way game every shift just to prove he belongs in the NHL right now. And while I agree that his low ice time numbers, his linemates and his role on the team right now aren't going to give him golden chances to show he can contribute offensively, he has to make an impression every night. He has to work hard, do all of the little things that help a team win and play physical. It sucks for him that his margin for error is so small but it is what it is. But please understand that I am rooting for the kid as much as anyone. I think the NHL and the Rangers need more players like him from the standpoint of how hard he works and that he gives 100% effort on every shift.

Vic


Thu Oct 18 2018 7:43 am EST

Rf4l shooting the puck like the craps did and getting double deflected can become goals. This clear lane bs needs to be lessened. Dirty goals count as much as highlight reel ones . And not covering ovie in his office is a bad idea.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 18 2018 7:29 am EST

The Rangers do suffer badly from stonehanditis. It's all across the lineup. It helps none, too, that their best shooter (Z) keeps hitting post. It also helps none, too, that their 2 most talented forwards (Buch and Chytil) aren't doing anything with the puck. I didn't notice Buch at all and Chytil seems, for whatever reason, afraid to shot the puck.

rf4L


Thu Oct 18 2018 7:26 am EST

BTW, I don't hesitate to call out Kreider for his frequent disappearing acts but he played well in these back to backs and had some fabulous work along the boards last night. He and Z both raised their games recently and of course, Fast is Fast - so consistent.

rf4L


Thu Oct 18 2018 7:13 am EST

Buch is starting to worry me. So much raw skill but where's his head at? Pressboxed last game and minutes reduced this game. He'd better get his head out of his ass or he'll be in the KHL in another year or so.

rf4L


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:42 pm EST

Not gonna go overboard, but thought they played a pretty decent in a game dominated by the PP..What stood out to me was PIONK (Except for BUCH, Quinn's button pushing seems to be working) ..Kreider seems back on track...Hayes a little too..and gotta love Fast's two way never stop game...some good ES team defense and scoring three goals from rigth in front of the net, even if 2 were PP (and one by ZBAD!)...How they have to do it..Not crazy at all about Namestnikov, Lettieri....Howden will settle back down a boit..As for CHytl..not sure if it's his fault, the linemates he has been paired with or other things, but his cnofidence needs a boost..not sure he's gonna get it in NY right now... could use som diffetne blood in there on a 4th line...prefrably somebody with a little hate and attitude..Oh well..

Hospo


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:44 pm EST

That hurt but getting a point in Washington in a back to back is no easy task...Pionk best Ranger on the ice tonight...Skjei the worst...This guy is a disaster in his own end and does not have his head in the game....Two offensive zone penalties cost the Rangers in a big way....The first goal was all on Spooner...Lettieri had his best game of the season...Rangers not having a top shutdown pair on D is really hurting them...

PJ


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:38 pm EST

Bob...agreed. their grit factor is steadily increasing.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:33 pm EST

If the Rangers would have taken advantage of the opportunities they had to clear the puck on the PK, this was a W. Henrik had too many prime chances on him. But on the other hand, they did not quit and played a gritty game.

Bob


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:29 pm EST

stevie: Your wildcardish optimistic viewpoint is....well...quite different and for whatever reason, a tad unnerving for me! I keep waiting for the darkside to reemerge and run amok! ;^)

rF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:27 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed...I wanna see more of Lettieri before a more definitive conclusion.

rF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:21 pm EST

The nyr just played the lowly Stanley Cup champs to a 4-3 ot loss.... not bad for a rebuild team.....

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:13 pm EST

Newfie.. I'm not ready to give up on him yet. only 7 games into the season with a new coach, I want to see what DQ can get out of him. Besides, if we do trade him, we'll need him to keep playing to be worth something of value ...RF4L... It's totally possible, but I really like "physical" Lettieri.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:09 pm EST

Rhet: Or the competitive cranks up and he's simply not skilled enough to make much of a difference?

rF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:08 pm EST

Pionk with the most icetime for the Rangers. Deserved. Very good game.

rF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:07 pm EST

Almost identical twins..”Ovechkin cranks in a pair of PPGs Oct 17, 2018 • 00:44 Alex Ovechkin scores a pair of one-timers with the man advantage to move into a tie for ninth place on the all-time power-play goals list

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:06 pm EST

Rhet...…...that's too bad, didn't know......don't want to lose him on waivers, but he still sucks. Maybe we can package him with one of our D ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:05 pm EST

RF4L... He did it in the preseason. Then it's like the regular season starts and he takes the foot off the gas.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:03 pm EST

E: Gotta say, I felt the same way about Lettieri prior to this game but he was much more effective tonight. That said, I'm thinking his upside is limited. He needs to work his butt off all the time, be physical and go to the net to be effective. Can he do that?

rF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:57 pm EST

You can send down Lettieri.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:54 pm EST

sure, if you want to lose Buch for nothing. He'd have to clear waivers and he wont.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:52 pm EST

E....can we send Buch down instead and bring up Gettinger ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:52 pm EST

The shine also has come off of Letteri as well. He is another guy who could use a trip down to Hartford.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:52 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... WOLF PACK GOAL!! Steven Fogarty scores his second of the game on the breakaway! Laval leads 5-2. #HFDvsLAV

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:51 pm EST

Pionk was a force out there. I really like this kid. He plays scrappy and just wins battles for pucks. And he produces. Just a lot to like about him.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:50 pm EST

E... He at the very least could play in the 2 remaining Hartford games this weekend. Maybe Lettieri too.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:50 pm EST

Rf4l......I'm thinking Pionk should be taken out of that 'sitting out" rotation all together.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:48 pm EST

At this point I'd send Chytil down for a few games. Maybe, recall Lias and see where it goes. Chytl looks every bit his age on some shifts.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:47 pm EST

RF4L... To be fair, two guys that were gassed. They couldn't get off the ice for a change.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:46 pm EST

Oh well 1 better than none

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:46 pm EST

That sucks. Couldn't get guys changed.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:45 pm EST

Terrible D there. 2 Rangers zzzz

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:44 pm EST

Nice couple of poke checks by Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:44 pm EST

Will Kreider EVER be able to finish in OT?

JFC31


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:42 pm EST

Hopefully the NYR practiced the OT PP :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:41 pm EST

Ice Time leaders.... Pionk 21:46, Z-Bad 21:43, Smith 20:37

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:41 pm EST

Kreider another.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:40 pm EST

Good on Rangers for this game and I say that before OT. Mistakes for sure and too many passengers but lots of pluses. Pionk 1st star.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:39 pm EST

3 points out of 4. Not bad.

Bob


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:38 pm EST

Was Shattenkirk benched?

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:36 pm EST

Nice job with the PK kill by the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:31 pm EST

The dreaded CAPS PP.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:31 pm EST

Is Skjei slow or something? He does realize you need to get to the blueline to dump the puck to avoid iceing?

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:30 pm EST

Nice job Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:29 pm EST

Skjei sux..

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:28 pm EST

Fogarty scores a goal but Hartford is down 4-1 in the 3rd period.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:27 pm EST

Best part of this game so far? I don't have to listen to Micheletti and Rosen.

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:26 pm EST

Guessing Pionk won't be pressboxed for a while.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:26 pm EST

Buch and Chytil have lost confidence, Zbad and Stahl playing very well, Zucc and Spooner invisible. Come on 7:30 to get two points

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:23 pm EST

That should read Kreider

tlats


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:23 pm EST

Great shot by Pionk, amazing tip by KREIDER!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:22 pm EST

Chris Kreisler goal

tlats


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:22 pm EST

I was just complaining how bad the power play is and Kreider score. 2 games off turned Pionk into Bobby Orr

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:22 pm EST

I was just complaining how bad the power play is and Kreider score. 2 games off turned Pionk into Bobby Orr

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:22 pm EST

YESAAAAAAAJHHHH BABYYYYY...IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:21 pm EST

Pionk is frustrating the Caps. Good job by the kid.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:21 pm EST

Another pp goal

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:10 pm EST

We need to move out at least two vets to make room for Andersson and Kravstov. Hopefully, one of Spooner/Name and maybe Zucc.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:01 pm EST

Stonehands/stonehenge...Krastov come on down!!!

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:56 pm EST

Newfie with 242? Pp goals ovie has a field day with most goalies. He sets up in that office and pk leaves him wide open . He should be shadowed and leave it 4 on 3 for the rest of them .

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:56 pm EST

Newfie... You don't have to convert me. Shestyorkin doesn't have to be as great as Hank but there is plenty of things he can do that will improve us. His stick alone should go a long way to making our transition game better.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:52 pm EST

or at least one start.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:52 pm EST

Geo will probably go to Hartford this weekend to get a couple of starts and then be back.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:51 pm EST

RF4L: Amen, let Chytil gain confidence and get first line minutes

RDW


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:50 pm EST

This is what I've been talking about with Hank.....every stationary winger in the game knows that on a cross ice pass ,Hank goes back to the post and not across the crease . Ovy has a field day with him,just shooting back to the open side. Geez.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:48 pm EST

Pionk may be the best NYR skater on the ice tonight.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:46 pm EST

Lettieri playing well. Same with Pionk.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:45 pm EST

At least Hayes shot it that time. Pionk was soo close.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:43 pm EST

Oh good another Caps PP.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:43 pm EST

The sad thing is that the Rangers had multiple chances to clear the puck prior to both PPGs

Bob


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:42 pm EST

BYW..send Geo (and Chytil) to Haryford.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:42 pm EST

9 for 15 so far at home...

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:41 pm EST

Cmark...both

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:40 pm EST

Is our PK really bad or is Washington that good on the PP?

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:37 pm EST

My oldest is at the game and reports Ranger fans singing the goal song followed by a "We're rebuilding" chant

LeoS


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:37 pm EST

Staal with some great stick work on the PK

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

Nice win on the draw by HAYES on the PP goal.

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

Chytil back down to the fourth line. How soon before he gets sent down?

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

Did Chytil forget how to shoot???

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

Lundqvist looks as dialed in as I’ve seen him in a long time. Vesey sure looked like a goal scorer there. ZBad getting chances.

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:31 pm EST

Pionk and Howden with the assists. Go Pionk GO!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:30 pm EST

stonehenge

tradestar28


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:30 pm EST

Woohoo!

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:28 pm EST

IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:28 pm EST

Holtby seeing every shot.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:28 pm EST

SCORRREEEEE JIMMY VESEY!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:16 pm EST

Spooner...right in the middle of the net.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:15 pm EST

Hayes has the jitters.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:15 pm EST

There has been a Spooner sighting.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:11 pm EST

That's on Lundqvist...zzzzz

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:10 pm EST

No one to blame there Hank.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:09 pm EST

Gawd this is a team of stonehands. Save for Z...

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:06 pm EST

So... Pionk does most of the work, Kreider misses an open net AND Kreider get's the primary assist? Scoring REALLY needs to evolve.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:49 pm EST

TD...fair argument. McL pressboxed so let's see how Lettieri does tonight. IMO he's on the 4th line regardless of his linemates because he's not accomplishing much.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:45 pm EST

Who the phuck iced that?

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:41 pm EST

Spooner does NOTHING! Bring up Andersson!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:40 pm EST

Spooner sux too.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:38 pm EST

Oh wait... am I being asinine again???

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:38 pm EST

Quinn should put Skjei in front of the goalie on OUR power play. He is perfect at it.

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:37 pm EST

Time to pressbox Skjei...

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:36 pm EST

Beautiful screen by SKJEI on that Cap goal....

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:36 pm EST

Skjei sux. WTF...if you're gonna get in the way don't cringe so the puck goes by you. Just stupid.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:36 pm EST

Nice effin job there Skeji! Sheesh seems like he is always on for those point shots against. Block 'em or get the hell out da way!

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:32 pm EST

Rangers look fresh considering they played last night. I was against this coach but so far so good.

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:32 pm EST

Puck luck suck for sure! Keep it up tho and they'll start to go in.

RF4l


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:21 pm EST

Vic - The only place BELESKEY belongs is on an Uber with iClod to Maine, where the two of them can binge-eat lobsters and play grabass with the other has-beens and never-will-bes. He is not a good hockey player and never was. Energy gets you so far, and so does a couple of clutch goals in the pre-season. This is the NHL though...and it has passed both of these guys by. If they demote LETTIERI, it's more or less the end for him, because there are more talented guys that are going to be coming along shortly. He doesn't have anything to prove in the AHL...what he needs now is a solid line that can skate with him and not to be saddled with a lead-footed lummox like iClod. There's just no way a guy is going to get consistency with his game when every game there's a slight chance that guy slips into the rotation...in beer leagues, we call them "play enders" --guys where it's just a black hole over there. Give Lettieri a few games with FAST and NAMESTINKOV or SPOONER...or someone with an ounce of talent and he'll do better. At the very least, he'll get some minutes.

tdchi


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:19 pm EST

Nice plays by Pionk and Kreider too. Pionk looks like a man possessed.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:19 pm EST

Pionk very nice

Jake0104


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:18 pm EST

SCOREEEEEE Z-BAD!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:15 pm EST

re: TKACHUK - What a shame. Tell you what: I was talking that kid up for two years and quietly hoping he'd drop into the Rangers lap because his performance at the WJCs wasn't that great and his freshman year at BU was pretty average by top-10 draftpick standards...The goddamn advance stats freaks were shitting their pants over the prospect of Tkachuk being a Ranger, basically treating him like the second coming of JESSIMAN...I was really hoping and continue to hold out hope that he lands himself a Calder-worthy team...especially after those bitches in Montreal passed him up...he was EXACTLY the player the Rangers needed...and man, is it a shame the advance stats geeks couldn't convince the other eight teams to pass on him. Gonna be a hell of a player. Probably better than Brother Matt.

tdchi


Wed Oct 17 2018 6:12 pm EST

Hey guys, before we go bashing LETTIERI for not being noticable...check his ice yesterday: SIX MINUTES. Only guy who was on less was the plodding, painfully slow Cody McLEOD, whose best contribution was getting his schnoze in the way of an Avalanche stick...I swear...at one point, I was counting the seconds between when the play moved from the Avs end to the Rangers end...and when iClod got back into the picture. After counting to 60, I started counting the minutes. I figured at one point that he was chatting with guys on the bench...it was PAINFUL to watch...side story: One of the beer league teams I play on has a nice mix of guys...most in their 20s, 30s and 40s....we have one in his late 50s, who we've all been not-so-quietly hoping would retire...McLeod reminded me A LOT of this guy...great guy and all...but man...he just can't do ANYTHING because he's so goddamn immobile...At any rate...this is a defense for Lettieri...it's hard to be noticeable when 1. you're playing less than 10 minutes a game and 2. your linemate skates like his boots are filled with lead sinkers and is trying to glide on hot tar.

tdchi


Wed Oct 17 2018 5:55 pm EST

No matter who the coach is, I still feel like Hank dictates whether he plays or not.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 5:45 pm EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... Gary Bettman will hear Tom Wilson’s appeal of his 20 game suspension, tomorrow in NYC.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 5:44 pm EST

Brian Compton ‏ Verified account @BComptonNHL .... (Brady) Tkachuk out one month for #Sens https://www.nhl.com/news/brady-tkachuk-out-a-month-for-ottawa/c-301026586?tcid=tw_news_content_id … #NHL

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 5:37 pm EST

sounds like butchie has negatively commented on playing the left side, but that's where the coach is playing him tonight on the 4th line ....put on your big boy pants butchie, get out of your comfort zone.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:37 pm EST

i think it's pretty much the same lineup as last night with Buch playing in McLeod's 4th line LW spot.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:34 pm EST

McLeod is out and Hank in goal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:31 pm EST

Buch back in tonight.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:22 pm EST

Hospo he has 13 forwards so he should sit a new one almost every game for now, unless he believes some don’t need to sit for 1 game. I would find that hard to believe. Even if it’s only 6 guys . The only problem is iCloud would be playing in 5 of those 6 games. They would be better off with 14 and 7 but that’s a fishboy d man dilemma. If he wants to play it safe then send pionk down .

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:20 pm EST

System that is.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 4:19 pm EST

Newfie... I was talking more from his perspective, not really mine. Personally, I don't think he's totally bought into DQ's and he think's he's a better player than he is. That's just my impression without a much proof to back it up.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:56 pm EST

Quinn has said and done the right things so far--except for not sitting the skipping ZBAD!--just hope the players have it in them to give what he wants..so far, the forwards havent come close...Oh, they like to skate and wont stop, but rarely do they really work dirty and pay the price that is needed..not sure the benchings will help these guys, but they have to be done..he'll know soon enough if they are his kind of guys..

Hospo


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:43 pm EST

Quinn to me is exactly what this team and organization needed..He teaches, is direct and has no favorites...If you aren't playing you will be told why...

PJ


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:34 pm EST

has anyone heard or seen anything they disagree with from the mighty Quinn? i think he has a laser-beam on what he wants, and will accept and not accept. at least they so far aren't boring.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:27 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 8h8 hours ago David Quinn scratched Pavel Buchnevich, and with it, he had a message for his whole team: "Changing their definition of what trying hard is." #NYR Notes: Goaltending sked; Chytil on wing; Pionk returns, McQuaid & DeAngelo out.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:26 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 23h23 hours ago Quinn on what he wants from Buchnevich, and his team in general. "We have to have more of a grit element to our game offensively, we have to get to the net, there has to be less BS to our game offensively. We have to have more of a shooters’ mentality." #NYR

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:25 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 6h6 hours ago Traffic is annoying here in D.C. I'm curious as to whether #NYR will play Henrik Lundqvist again tonight. David Quinn wouldn't tell us last night which goalie he would use. Also, will he make any lineup changes? Team looked pretty good last night.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:24 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 5h5 hours ago If Lundqvist plays tonight in DC, Rangers may send Georgiev to Wolf Pack for games Fri and Sat. Has played only one game since 9/27.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 3:04 pm EST

Is the mighty Quinney putting the guys in who didn’t play last night for tonight?

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 17 2018 2:50 pm EST

My iPad has a mind of its own too. It keeps thinking I need a Russian bride!

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 2:16 pm EST

...and your iPad has a mind of its own

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 2:16 pm EST

VIC: oooops... this is what happens when your actually listening to your on a video conference and not paying enough attention.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 1:42 pm EST

E: LOL.... you wrote: "My wife is multi-lingual but she English isn’t the first."......It looks like she isn't the only one that is having trouble with English....;-)

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 1:41 pm EST

I like Valiquette as a third. I’m an analytical guy and he has a good grasp of statistics. But he’s also pompous. If you’re gonna have the hype men like Pidto and whatnot I’d rather Maloney all day long as a second. He brings a good old “WTF” style about him. Valiquette lacks chops. Although it’s blasphemy in a way Ken Danyeko is actually growing into a good number 2. And don’t get me started on Rosen and Micheletti. All these years, and still uneven. In all honesty for all the bloviating that MSG likes to talk up as the most awesome thing ever there on air group is lacking. And their best option is on radio. Go figure

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 1:33 pm EST

My wife is multi-lingual but she English isn’t the first. She tells me, that it’s never hard to articulate but sometimes emphasis can be difficult since cadence, pitch, inflection is different per language. So, she speaks English mostly but she still has to change up inflection and whatnot in another language. Especially when you have to think and then convert your thoughts. It’s one thing to speak a language, but thinking in that language is hard. My wife’s native language has no gender references. There is no she’s he’s. You just address them by name. Suddenly switch it up and speak in a language like English that’s all gender specific? Getting non verbal cues from tone is easy to screw up. What is said is not always what is intended.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 12:48 pm EST

I agree Carter just Sucks ring back Dugay

rangerlou


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:34 am EST

Rhetoric.......do you really think Names is working hard ? Cause to me, it looks like he is working just hard enough to stay in the line-up ? I could be wrong, but I have been watching a lot of Hockey and other teams this year already and to me the effort is just not there.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:30 am EST

Agreed on the Lettireiri comments - he just isn't noticeable to me. I'd like to see Gettinger in his place to be honest.

rf4L


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:28 am EST

IMO, the Aves were lucky the Rangers have a bunch of stone hands as forwards.

rf4L


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:24 am EST

E- Exactly right on ESL speakers. Even worse is a translated article from another country. Especially in Russia (and some other countries), where if you read the interview, it's kind of a "leading the witness" type situation, where they ask something like: "Don't you think that..." where the agenda and desired answer is clear with no way for the athlete to answer without sounding like a douche.

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 17 2018 11:17 am EST

Much rather Duguay than Valiquette and Anson Carter is awful....

PJ


Wed Oct 17 2018 10:30 am EST

Keep in mind also that quoting someone in print who is ESL directly is not usually going to come out exactly as it’s meant.

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 10:24 am EST

I don’t miss Dugs. At all...

E


Wed Oct 17 2018 10:11 am EST

Context is everything with Namestnikov's comments. Is there a video? Did he say it while rolling his eyes or did he say it while being frustrated? He's worked hard and had little to show for it so far, so i could see him being frustrated about it .

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:57 am EST

So the Rangers were lucky?...Not in the game I watched...Two double deflections on the AVS goals....Both goalies were good and the Rangers outshot the AVS and this included 19 shots in the first period....The PP wasn't good but other than that I am not sure what people are expecting...Good win in my opinion...

PJ


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:55 am EST

Ron Duguay: Getting dumped by MSG has been ‘difficult’.....(https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/ron-duguay-getting-dumped-by-msg-has-been-difficult/)

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:29 am EST

Ranger47.....…..actually those last two words speak volumes my friend...……...he is not dialed in and never will be,trust me and that is why he is not in TB.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 9:18 am EST

Lance Hornby ‏ Verified account @sunhornby .... A source tells Postmedia that Kyle Dubas and William Nylander and his reps are meeting in Switzerland today to try and move contract talks along.... https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/maple-leafs-nylander-in-swiss-summit-over-contract-impasse?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1539783853

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:30 am EST

I can't agree on Skjei. He's been horrendous all season long. Last night was definitely an improvement. In regard to Hayes: he was all over the place last night(ie. scattered). He reminded me more of a rookie than a poised veteran. He probably should be benched tonight. Not to send a message but just to get him out of his own head.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 17 2018 8:30 am EST

Thought the quote from Nemesnikov was interesting. The first part sounded good, but the last 2 words make one wonder how much Quinn's teaching is being bought into... "“But I know still what I need to do. I’m going to keep working hard. Success comes through hard work, I guess.”

Ranger47


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:59 am EST

Oh boy is the King on his game to start the season. A 2.00 GAA and that rating hasn't come without some very impressive work. I do see some progress from the team in front of him, however, in terms of their defensive play. There's less odd man advantages in the past 2 games and for sure, compared to the previous 2 seasons (at least), the number of secondary chances for the opposition has decreased significantly because the defense is doing a much better job at clearing the crease. Under the AV system, they did far more puck watching and as a direct consequence, created time and time again chaos in front of their own net. That in turn, created multiple consecutive chances for the opposition. This change is a plus (obviously) and noticeable.

rf4L


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:24 am EST

Vic agree that a message could/should have been sent to Hayes right then and there. That passed up shot epitomizes the Rangers of the last 5 years, maybe as far back as 2012?

NYStranger


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:13 am EST

On the forwards. I wanted to punch my TV when HAYES passed up the wide open shot from the top of the slot to make a stupid touch pass to MZA who wasn't even there. Personally, I thought DQ should have benched him the rest of the game right there. If you want to get the message across that you need to shoot when you have high quality scoring chances that would have been the time. I thought that was ZBAD's best game of the year. He didn't figure into the scoring but he played a strong, physical game and did a good job matched up against MacKINNON. He made some nice passes and had some good shots but just in general he played a really solid game. I thought MZA looked much more like his old self last night in some of the plays he made in both ends of the ice and in a few hits that he threw. I thought CHEETOS looked much better on the wing. He was involved in the play for the most part all night as opposed to looking lost. He still has a ways to go but I would leave him on the wing for now and just let him get his confidence. HOWDEN and VESEY were together (which I wanted) and looked good. They had chances but didn't score. STINKY looked like a decent compliment for them so maybe that line stays together. I love LETTIERI but he needs to do more with the little chances he has. He is playing very few minutes and mostly in a defensive role but he needs to find a way to break through and score. At this point it may already be too late. As soon as BELESKEY is healthy I expect LETTIERI will be going to Hartford.

Vic


Wed Oct 17 2018 7:05 am EST

Sometimes I wonder if we all watch the same game or not. There were two reasons why the Rangers won last night. First and foremost HANK was phenomenal again. The second reason is that the Rangers were lucky as hell. Colorado hit the post or crossbar so many times in that game it was ridiculous. They could have scored 6 goals easily with just a little luck. SHATTENKIRK did play a good game. Nice to see him put two in a row and hopefully he continues to build on it and find his game. PIONK had another great game. SMITH was good, as was CLAESSON. But STAAL and SKJEI were awful. Both made one play that was decent on the night and we are supposed to think that they had great games. STAAL's hit in the corner was great. What else did he do besides leave guys alone in front of HANK to deflect pucks in? And SKJEI was just terrible with the puck and his decision making, not to mention inability to take his man. He makes one good play where he takes the guy out who is trying to take the puck out from behind the goal and the SAM and JOE blather on about how great he is playing. They show a 3 play highlight reel of SKJEI to prove their point. The first hightlight was SKJEI doing nothing to tie up LANDESKOG in the crease in the first period where he almost scored as the puck squirted wide of the net. The second highlight was SKJEI standing on the goal line watching another Ranger and Ave fight for the puck in the corner with SKJEI occasionally giving the Ave a light crosscheck in the back. And the 3rd highlight was the one play that SKJEI did make on the guy coming out from behind the net. If the Rangers can trade him for NYLANDER I am really warming up to the idea. I thought SKJEI was just having a bad Sophomore season last year. I'm beginning to think he just isn't that good.

Vic


Tue Oct 16 2018 11:12 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/rangers-hard-work-rewarded-in-shootout-victory/

mf


Tue Oct 16 2018 11:09 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/why-this-rangers-trade-throw-in-might-stick-around-a-while/

mf


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:15 pm EST

WEED became legal in Canada at midnight and the first gram was sold officially in St John's NL,where I live...…….just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:38 pm EST

Nice game by Shattenkirk...Pionk was very good also...Staal even plastered someone...Safe to say if we started GeorgieGirl we would have lost....Real good win for Quinn and the Rangers against a very good team....I really like our new coach...

PJ


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:20 pm EST

Hit clock: Rangers 31 and Aves 23.

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:13 pm EST

A shat hat looks like a Pimp hat

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:09 pm EST

I like Coach Quinn's philosophy ………..shoot,shoot,shoot and don't stop working !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:06 pm EST

All the D played very well tonight and Hank was Hank,again ! Did anyone happen to notice Stinky's hair in the third, dry as a bone. I know he didn't get a lot of ice time but Geez,he was wearing a helmet for 3 periods.....he won't even need a shower, oh well. Our 4 on3 sucks .….and Hayes is afraid to stand infront of the goalie.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:05 pm EST

NYStranger - yeah that Staal hit was fabulous and precisely what we need to see more of from this team. I wonder if he meant to clobber him so viciously. LOL

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 9:03 pm EST

Agreed that is was a good defensive effort. Also, they played much better offensively - they worked the walls and in front of the Aves net effectively. The PP, after the first goal, not so much however. What's his head saw way too many of the shots. The King was outstanding again. Love his 'PHUCK ME' to the ref when the idiot blew the whistle too soon in the OT, forcing a FO in the Ranger zone. Was as clear as day over the broadcast. LOL

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:58 pm EST

Nice win in SO. But two plays really stood out in the third. One was Chytil setting up Hayes who elects to force another pass to Zuc with predictable results. The other was Staal putting an old school hit on an Aves player in the corner. That was nice to see.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:57 pm EST

Lucky post toastees ... fair pole foul pole

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:52 pm EST

I got to say the defense played really well tonight. Shattenkirk's best game of the year. Skjei and Pionk played well too. The whole D!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:51 pm EST

Whopee

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:51 pm EST

Good win

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:51 pm EST

I'll take it!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:51 pm EST

Go Captain KIRK Go!!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:48 pm EST

Go ZUCC!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:47 pm EST

Jake...who is on this team? No wonder they drafted Krastov...

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:47 pm EST

We need a hero for the shootout.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:46 pm EST

“Sometimes those posts are just so silly” - I couldn’t make this crap up.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:44 pm EST

Freakin Vesey ain’t a goal scorer

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:42 pm EST

I'm guessing they don't practice 4 on 3....totally non-creative effort.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:42 pm EST

We were total crap on that PP.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:41 pm EST

NYR had a hard time setting up on the PP.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:37 pm EST

Yeah baby penalty

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:36 pm EST

Hayes has kind of been all over the place tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:35 pm EST

Well, we got a point.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:28 pm EST

Hayes...geewsh...

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:22 pm EST

Av’s are the more physical team in the third period without question

tlats


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:49 pm EST

Rangers have played well. Now win this period and get two points

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:48 pm EST

It's a much more entertaining team to watch. As long as we play hard and competitive.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:46 pm EST

I get the feeling that those last 20 seconds of the period will sum up the Rangers season. A lot of oohs and aaahhs and almosts, then barf.

NYStranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:40 pm EST

Phickin Rangers. Just knew that goal was coming.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:32 pm EST

Chytil looking like he needs to be farmed out.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:31 pm EST

We're passing it into the skates.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:28 pm EST

Shattenkirks best game of the year

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:24 pm EST

4 minutes. Macleod has been noticeable

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:24 pm EST

McCleod is bleeding, it better be 4 minutes.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:22 pm EST

Great shot! That line did not look good when they first got in the zone.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:22 pm EST

Did u guys know Hayes was a healthy scratch this season? More crackerjack reporting by the Avs finest broadcasters

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:21 pm EST

Beauty!!!

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:21 pm EST

Hayes scores! Great pass!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:21 pm EST

Wow purple Hayes

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:20 pm EST

Fast 3 great chances now. 3 whiffs.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:18 pm EST

Don't do that with stick across the shins...

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:17 pm EST

Cleassen needs to stsy in the lineup...

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:16 pm EST

BS... Hayes touched him with an open hand on his side and he fell forward. Refs evened it up.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:16 pm EST

Lazy check by Hayesy. Goal.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:14 pm EST

What a dive.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:12 pm EST

That was one heck of an early whistle that Varlamov got.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:12 pm EST

Suspect Chytil is 'gripping his stick too tightly'right now.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:12 pm EST

Sometimes I think Vesey would shoot better holding the stick with the shaft side down!

NYStranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:04 pm EST

CMark it is Colorado. You should be toking it up! HaHaHa

NYStranger


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:03 pm EST

Chytil has very good hands, he just forgot to bring them to the rink tonight.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:58 pm EST

Z between Fast and Kreider. Not gonna score much.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:55 pm EST

From Twitter-Since the start of the 2015-16 season, Chris Kreider leads the NHL in goals on tipped shots (21). #NYR? ?

tlats


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:49 pm EST

The NYR really took it to them. Methinks the AV's announcers should give them a little bit of credit :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:48 pm EST

“Avs have one of the youngest, fastest, most talented teams in the league and they should be dominating!” I would be drunk if I played my Avs Announcer Drinking game: 1Shot per Superlative!

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:45 pm EST

Agree Chytil hands are worrisome

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:42 pm EST

Those 4 years with Moose Jaw is why Howden is ahead of Chytil. Nice penalty kill. Experience matters

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:42 pm EST

Stonehands!!

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:40 pm EST

McKinnon should have gone off for 'bad acting.'

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:37 pm EST

Heckava skater that MacKinnon

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:34 pm EST

Nice LGR

Jake0104


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:33 pm EST

Excellent PP. Lots of movement and shots.

RF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:32 pm EST

YEAHHHHBABYYYY ....KREIDERRR.......IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:32 pm EST

Nice moxie shown by Vinnie. He needs to build on it.... Also, terrific pass by Pionk to Lettieri.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:17 pm EST

And I listened to the Avs pregame on the Radio, and this was the quote: “So last year the Rangers has the big trade with the Lightning where they traded Ryan Callahan and Ranger fans did not like it!” WTF?

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:16 pm EST

First 2 minutes looked like old nyr pinned in their zone

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:07 pm EST

Ugh! I can’t express how miserable it is to be subjected to the Av’s Announcers! Peter McNabb (Devil- natch) is the biggest homer this side of Pittsburgh. Seriously, you’ll appreciate the Rangers announcers after 5 minutes of these guys. Trust me!

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 5:27 pm EST

Should be Lettieri on the 4th line..... McQuaid was overdue to be scratched. He hasn't been great and IMO playing too many minutes on a nightly basis. He should really be playing third pairing minutes. In regard to Staal: he's lost a step and struggles to keep up with the NHL speed game. IMO, he would do better on a veteran team and we would do better with a slot open for one of our young Left D. The left side is where most of our best defensive prospects play. I think he get's bought out in June, but that's JMO. Lettieri is once again disappearing into the woodwork, one has to wonder how long it will be until he get's sent down. The guy that's been most invisible on the team by far has to be Spooner. For the life of me I can't think of one thing he's done positively or negatively. I have to work hard to remember even seeing him play. Hopefully he shows up tonight playing center on the 4th line.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 4:49 pm EST

I think part of the reason McLeod is in against the Avs is the connection to his old team. But I think we could have used Buch's skill against a pretty good Av's team. As for BUCH getting benched, I think DQ has really used his benching's as more of a teaching tool then a punishment. It seems to have had a good impact on those that have been benched thus far. On STAAL- I don't think he's been that terrible. But I think it's easy to see he has lost a step. I think he is valued for his experience and presence more than anything else.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 16 2018 4:48 pm EST

STINKY is double-shifting? One of those must be #95

LeoS


Tue Oct 16 2018 4:39 pm EST

Off Topic: Police in Toronto are searching for a man who went skinny-dipping with sharks and other aquatic creatures at Ripley’s Aquarium of Canada late Friday. Investigators said the suspect — identified as "RF4L:" https://nypost.com/2018/10/16/guy-caps-off-epic-bender-by-skinny-dipping-in-shark-tank/

mf


Tue Oct 16 2018 4:08 pm EST

Lines.... 20-93-17.... 72-13-36.... 26-21-90.... 8-23-90.... 76-44.... 18-42.... 33-22

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 4:04 pm EST

Hank's in goal, Buch is sitting. Pionk back in and Deangelo and McQuaid sitting.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 3:55 pm EST

The AV's say they expect Hank in goal tonight so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 16 2018 3:44 pm EST

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

rangerlou


Tue Oct 16 2018 3:38 pm EST

Rangerlou: What are the odds for the game tonight. About 50-50 if they play Linda instead of the Avs? :)

Ranger47


Tue Oct 16 2018 2:38 pm EST

Hello from Play Linda in Aruba.Watching the game poolside LGR!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Oct 16 2018 1:53 pm EST

Agree that Geo needs to play rather than sit and you definitely don't want him out there tomorrow night when we expect to get shelled - so tonight's the night!

Ranger47


Tue Oct 16 2018 1:45 pm EST

BTW, the Aves are a good team; I suspect after tomorrow's game the Rangers will be 1 and 6...

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 12:24 pm EST

Interesting - sportsnet.ca saying Geo is probable to play tonight.

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 11:21 am EST

Agree GEO should play in one of these games...The Carolina game was a disaster...Need to allow him to get that out of his head...

PJ


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:56 am EST

Hospo: That's what I'm thinking, too. Hardly the worse of the lot.

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:54 am EST

Reading that the King might play in both games (tonight and against Washington). I hope I'm getting ahead of myself here but if so, how stupid for 4 reasons: 1) Geo needs playing time and sitting at the end of the bench game in and game out isn't playing time 2) Isn't this supposed to be year of development? Geo sitting at the end of bench game in and game out isn't development 3) The King is 36 - is he gonna play 72 games? 4) Are the Rangers endeavoring to send Washington a message, like we'll see in the POs?!

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:52 am EST

On Staal..the only D that has been good for the Rangers has been SMITH..Staal has lost another step and has not been great, but also has had some good moments and like the way he has jumped up in the play..OTOH, other then a few flashes, SKJEI and especially DeAngleo have been horrible...SHATT even worse then that....PIONK struggling but not sure why...And Claesson had one good game..McQuaid is McQuaid..will occasionally get beat but not what he's here for..Long way of saying to focus on Staal is assinine..

Hospo


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:38 am EST

No way I rank TonyD in our top 6 on D...He is a flake and most likely will stay that way...Staal not near as bad as everyone keeps saying...Is he paid too much?..Of course he is....Buch hard to knock off the puck?....The thoughts he'd be thinkin he could be another Lincoln...........

PJ


Tue Oct 16 2018 10:19 am EST

Interesting tidbit about Kravtsov from Pronman in The Athletic: "His KHL team Traktor, which went to the final four last season in the KHL, looked awful to start the season. Related to that, Kravtsov’s KHL deal runs through the end of the season, and this KHL season will end on Feb. 22. This opens up the possibility of Kravtsov coming to North America this season, depending if he’s traded to a KHL contender in the next few weeks."

JFC31


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:52 am EST

Ya know, stevielegs, I've been thinking the same thing about the ref collective and them testing out a new coach. It's somehow easier to believe/stomach than just ref incompetence.

LeoS


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:19 am EST

their....

Vic


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:18 am EST

RF4L: My thoughts on STAAL so far are that he has not been good. Maybe he hasn't been as bad as some others but if not for his salary, tenure and NMC I don't think he makes this team based on his play from an objective perspective. CLAESSON and HAJEK were and are better then him right now. If I had to rank just the guys who are with the team right now from best to worst in camp and in the early season my ranking in that order would be: McQUAID, PIONK, CLAESSON, SMITH, DeANGELO, SKJEI, STAAL and SHATTENKIRK. DeANGELO and SKJEI have sucked at times for sure but there overall body of work in camp and through the early season is better then STAAL's IMHO. SHATTENKIRK has been consistently bad. He played much better against Edmonton. Hopefully that continues.

Vic


Tue Oct 16 2018 8:10 am EST

TD: I agree on SHESTERKIN and stating it exactly the way you did (Cautiously Optimistic) is the right way to look at him. It is great that he is doing well. Hopefully he will come over to the NHL in the next year or two and really impress us. But the Rangers really need to be looking for another #1 goalie and not totally relying on SHESTERKIN to be that guy. I think there is a good chance that GEORGIEV could be a #1 goalie in this league. I really like him and think his fundamentals are great. He may not be athletic like HANK but positionally he may be better then HANK. I was surprised that they didn't send him down to Hartford to play almost every night. But maybe they wanted him in NY to work with ALLAIRE as much as possible. Hopefully it was the right decision. And hopefully he gets a lot of games this year. If the Rangers are overplaying HANK because they are worried about their record or trying to make the playoffs at all costs then they are missing the boat when it comes to the objectives for this season.

Vic


Tue Oct 16 2018 7:46 am EST

Gotta say a lot of the NY media have it in for Marc Staal, although admittedly it's primarily those sites like blueshirt banter vs the regular beat writers. From what I've seen while he's not be a staalwart back there, he's not stood out as being horrible like say Shattenkirk did before he was pressboxed. For sure he's overpaid and I suspect if his contract had ended this past summer he'd not have been resigned but is he THAT bad? I'm curious about what other wallsters think...

rF4l


Tue Oct 16 2018 6:49 am EST

Chytil-Hayes-Zuccarello Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast Vesey-Howden-Namestnikov McLeod-Spooner-Lettieri (per @BrettCyrgalis) 12:37 PM - 15 Oct 2018

stevielegs


Tue Oct 16 2018 5:09 am EST

Their record should be better but the nhl reds are giving the mighty Quinney a hazing. If he can get this team to stop being lazy , that could fix a lot of their shortcomings. I said Butchie needs to wtfu or he’ll be another brendl daigle. Nothing to do with talent or them , just a bad road he needs to get off of.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 8:15 pm EST

Stevielegs - I'm not saying they should be 4-1 or anything other than 1-4...but I also don't think you can make any hard assumptions about a team in the first month of a season...especially a team with a new coach...if the Rangers are indeed 'tanking' then I agree wholeheartedly: Send all the kids as far away from the mess as possible...but I don't get the impression this is the case...I don't get the impression that 'tanking' would be something that Quinn would accept or embrace...losing may be an inevitability, but as long as guys are trying, then I can't see the problem.

tdchi


Mon Oct 15 2018 8:00 pm EST

re: BUCHNEVICH - Are we really comparing him to BRENDL?!? Look, this guy has world-class talent. He's very impressive...oozes skill. Very good hands. Very good shot. Very hard to knock off the puck. If he's getting tough love from Quinny, then it's because the coach sees something lacking in his attitude. And if it's McLEOD that is getting the nod tomorrow in favor of sitting Buch, then the kid will have a long, painful 60 minutes to recognize why he must dig deeper...But 'fall from grace?' C'mon guys...look, this coach is clearly not AV and he's letting guys learn from their mistakes in a place it won't hurt the greater team on the scoreboard. It's a solid philosphy...and it appears to be working to a degree...NAMESTNIKOV has looked A LOT better since his benching...maybe that's all Buch needs...but let's not start taking this sort of move out of context...Buch may not have laser-guided focus through 60 minutes...but he ain't a guy like BRENDL who basically rested on his shot and said 'the fuck with it' for the rest of his game...Buch now is a more complete player than Brendl ever was.

tdchi


Mon Oct 15 2018 7:52 pm EST

Vic - I generally share your thoughts/cautions on SHESTORKIN...and certainly they're valid ones...I do roll my eyes a little bit with the fans who think he's going to come in and essentially be Hank 2.0...but...THAT said...if you look at his body of work...if you watch some of the saves he's making...there is A LOT of reason to be really excited about this guy. He's probably among the top goaltenders in the world who are not in the NHL right now. Being on a dominant team has helped him amass an impressive string of shutouts...but the key word here is helped...that's about it. I won't say he'd have the same string if he were on a team like KRATSOV'S...but I think he'd have a very similar save percentage...maybe not as many wins or shutouts...his movement in the crease is very impressive. I agree...can't count on shit until the guy is stopping NHL scorers...but there's more than enough reasons to be cautiously optimistic about the guy.

tdchi


Mon Oct 15 2018 7:17 pm EST

This is a pretty good piece.... New York Rangers: Comparing Andersson’s development to Kreider, Miller.... https://bluelinestation.com/2018/10/15/new-york-rangers-comparing-anderssons-development-kreider-miller/

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:40 pm EST

his past autumn I published a book with a nontraditional readership goal in mind. I was looking to reach one reader. Not millions, or even hundreds. One. The book is called, Game Change: The Life and Death of Steve Montador and the Future of Hockey, and it is the story of an everyman player, not a superstar or a goon. It’s about science as it relates to brain injuries, and about a game — how it has changed throughout its history, and how, as it’s become better and more exciting, it has left its players more vulnerable to head hits. But the book is not foremost about what’s wrong. It’s about what steps — specific, concrete, do-able steps — can be taken to make it right. I wrote the book for NHL commissioner Gary Bettman. On every matter of significance, he is hockey’s central decision-maker. So I wrote the book to try to create for him the conditions he needs to make the changes necessary when it comes to concussions and head hits. Now, a few months since the book came out — and after hearing from countless hockey and non-hockey people — I’m more convinced than ever that commissioner Bettman and the NHL cannot wait, and need not wait, any longer before initiating these changes. The time for action is not 10 years from now. The time is now. Because hockey, as we currently play it, has a problem....... https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/ken-dryden-its-time-for-action

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:38 pm EST

Stephen Valiquette Stephen Valiquette @VallysView · Apr 7 For anyone that has children/family members/friends in the game, this a MUST read. I lost my best friend NHLer Steve Montador to CTE in 2015. I saw the deterioration happen right before my eyes. Ken has a very sensible solution to this epidemic. #RIPMonty

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:32 pm EST

Re Buch: Offensively, other than perhaps Howden, who's not underachieving so far on the team? Hopefully, it's more a matter of being early in the season with a new coach, a new philosophy and a bunch of new players.

rF4l


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:26 pm EST

No one bothered to check but as it turns out Brendl couldn't skate to save his life. Skating is not an issue with Buch. Maybe it all comes together and maybe not. TBD. I do think he is a better player and has a better gear to give. We'll see if it emerges.

E


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:11 pm EST

Jesse Granger ‏ Verified account @JesseGranger_ Follow Follow @JesseGranger_ More Paul Stastny could miss up to 2 months. #VegasBorn Send them Zbad!

RDW


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:04 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 10m10 minutes ago After practice today #NYR Coach Quinn talked about Chytil moving to the wing, defense for tomorrow and goaltending this week.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 3:03 pm EST

Buch seems like a goofball to me...Maybe just a maturity thing but he better get going...Gets frustrated too easily and pouts....

PJ


Mon Oct 15 2018 2:57 pm EST

newfie I think butchie has some elite skills but he's going the brendl daigle way if he doesn't wtfu.....he might be another jt jitters brain farter.....the mighty Quinn will figure it out....this team needs to be whipped into shape , more than cajoled....there's a new sheriff in town.....play or jail....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 2:52 pm EST

a little billy martin Reggie Jackson brawl on the bench or the bus stop with talkerella would go viral....Larry brooks would pay to see it....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 2:49 pm EST

TonyD with Torts....Now that would be worth the price of admission...Would make MDZ look like Torts pet....

PJ


Mon Oct 15 2018 2:28 pm EST

If ANDERSON is on the block, hell yeah. You make that move. And TBH, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Jackets would move him for HAYES...Hyes isn’t a Torts-type player, but the Jackets tent exactly flushed with good centers. Might even be able to get more than just Anderson. Maybe flip them DeANGELO or SMITH and get them to throw in Long Island’s own Sonny MILANO, who hasn’t gotten a fair shake. But I do doubt they are in any mood to trade Andersson. He did hold out last year. And he’s gonnabe due. Major raise at the end omg next season...

tdchi


Mon Oct 15 2018 2:03 pm EST

Hospo…….Ditto, Quinn is doing things so far that I was beginning to think wasn't allowed to be done here anymore. Let's keep our fingers and toes crossed.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Oct 15 2018 1:26 pm EST

NEWFIE - Same here with BUCH..always takes the lazy and easy way...And I thought it was supposed to be all AV's fault (like with other players) because he was too tough on the kid? He just hasnt got it (mentally and effort) no matter who the coach is..Ditto with some other players....On the bright side, I really like what Quinn is doing and hope it gets through to these guys..They need to learn they have to pay the price consistently..Nothing has changed..yet..we'll see

Hospo


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:55 pm EST

rF4L......I'm not surprised about Buch.....never did see this "amazing talent and skill " everyone was talking about. He would be hard pressed to make it on ANY of the top teams.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:27 pm EST

Maybe the rangers can get a do over with the devils schedule. I don't know if its just me but it seems like every year teams play 10 games and they play 4. Play home game to open the season then have like 4 days off. Play game 2 at home and have like 4 days off. Play game 3 well you get it. Open up with a 5 game home stand to start the season then travel all the way to philly???

shonuff


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:27 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Sep 27 David Quinn, when asked about the possible workload for 36-year-old Henrik Lundqvist: "Why can’t he be the Tom Brady of goalies?" #NYR 30 replies 73 retweets 344 likes

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:25 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 4m4 minutes ago Quinn clear Pionk is going to return tomorrow, and Chytil will play wing. Sure looks like Buchnevich is going to be a scratch, with Quinn citing consistent effort as non-negotiatable. Goalies TBD, but Quinn more apt to let Lundqvist play both with a couple days off after. #NYR 0 replies 1 retweet 3 likes Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 2h2 hours ago Matt Beleskey is on the ice in a non-contact jersey at #NYR practice.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:25 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 5h5 hours ago Probably the most interesting fact about these #NYR, just germinating under first-year head coach David Quinn, is that you never quite know what to expect.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:20 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis Brett Cyrgalis @BrettCyrgalis · 1h No Buchnevich on either #NYR power play units. PP1: Shattenkirk, Zibanejad, Zuccarello, Kreider, Spooner. PP2: Skjei/Pionk (rotating), Hayes, Chytil, Vesey, Howden.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:19 pm EST

Brian Heyman Brian Heyman @bheyman99 David Quinn doing a lot of instructing loudly. #rangerspractice

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:13 pm EST

Rf4l tough love time for Butchie. He needs to reach his potential not stagnate in his comfort zone. Unless he doesn’t care about making 6-8 million a year eventually.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:03 pm EST

Wow....Buch's fall from grace is quite dramatic!!!

rF4l


Mon Oct 15 2018 12:02 pm EST

As far as I’m concerned there is little the mighty Quinney can do wrong. Butchie has to do what the coach wants or suffer the consequences. Same for all of them , one forward and 2 dmen at a time .

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 11:18 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Follow Follow @BrettCyrgalis More Buchnevich not skating on a line. After the fake-out from Friday’s practice, take this #NYR for what you will: Chytil-Hayes-Zuccarello, Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast, Vesey-Howden-Namestnikov, McLeod(Buchnevich second in rotation)-Spooner-Lettieri.

RDW


Mon Oct 15 2018 11:13 am EST

I get the excitement over the stats that SHESTERKIN has been putting up........but I would recommend that everyone tap on the brakes a bit. First, from a statistics perspective KHL stats mean nothing to me. They don't translate to NHL stats. Second, isn't he playing on the league's most dominant team? Are his stats great because that team just doesn't allow a lot of high quality scorning chances? I think back to the days when that jackass BRODEUR was putting up big stats and shutout numbers for NJ in their heyday. He could have eaten dinner during some of those games and still not given up a goal. So, while I like they fact that he has been at least successful so far, it really means nothing to me until I see him playing live in an NHL game. The Rangers shouldn't be counting on him as the goalie of the future. They shouldn't be planning for him to be the heir apparent to HANK. He may end up being exactly that. Or, he may not. The bubble may burst when he comes across the pond.

Vic


Mon Oct 15 2018 11:09 am EST

RF4L - How bout ZBAD instead in a bigger trade (Panarin--and work to sign him)?..although he and BUCH care less about defense and are more inconsistent than anybody on the team and would give Torts a coronary

Hospo


Mon Oct 15 2018 11:07 am EST

RDW...….I'd like to see all 4 gone, but I guess we can't just clean house mid season,that would be a disaster ,unless we get something back in return. I don't think the Garden faithful will go for a complete collapse down the stretch, not even for Hughes ?

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Oct 15 2018 11:01 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 1h Forget the present, go to the crystal ball future.... Your #NYR Prospect Three Stars of the Week: 1. Andersson: 3 GP, 2-2-4, extended point streak to 4 games 2. Miller: 2 GP, 1-1-2, 7 SOG, +4 3. Shesterkin: 1 GP, Shutout Win Read the full Prospect Report presented by @sportscare1

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 10:43 am EST

RF4L: He has three goals in five games so I doubt they are looking to move him. 17 goals two years ago and 19 last year. Seems like he could be ready to take the next step. Personally, I'd like to see two of Zbad/Hayes/Spooner/Name moved before Christmas. Doubt it will happen and no idea what they could fetch. Ideally I'd keep Hayes and ditch the other three.

RDW


Mon Oct 15 2018 10:39 am EST

RF4L: Can you imagine HAYES playing for TORTS??? No way. TORTS wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. I'm all for cranking up MF's Traderator. HAYES and MZA are 100% gone by the deadline so I would think they would be shopping those two already. I would think they were shopping them since last year....

Vic


Mon Oct 15 2018 7:45 am EST

Anyone interested in Josh Anderson? He's been bumped down to the BJ's 4th line and apparently not too happy about it. He's not asked for a trade but rumblings are starting that he might. 6'3" and 220 and skilled (19 goals last year). Are the BJs interested in Kevin Hayes?!

rF4l


Mon Oct 15 2018 7:25 am EST

Tdchi they are what their record says they are. What they will be is another story. It’s going to take 41-82 games for the coach to get a 500 club. They aren’t playing bad like last season, but they just aren’t clicking. He might have to use some real tough love and fishboy probably will have to make some moves sooner rather than later. I’m not sure this is a good environment for the kids right now. They might be better off in Hartford until Quinney gets the others to do it his way. There might be too many set in their own ways. Improvement and change is hard to speed up.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 7:04 am EST

I'm beyond amazed by the assumptions made within the first two weeks of the season. I mean, right now, you can look at the standings and assume the Carolina Hurricanes are going to be the Cup winner and that the Vegas Knight do, indeed, suck. Should the Rangers or Quinn be happy with where they are? Hell no. But they have a new coach, a bunch of new players, and a style of play that's a pretty big departure from where they were six months ago. Are the lines going to change? OF COURSE! Are players going to be scratched?! YUP! There's going to be a big learning curve here...and come January, we'll have a far better look at where this team will be...will they be in position for HUGHES? Maybe. Maybe not...I frankly think they're a lot better than their record suggests.

tdchi


Mon Oct 15 2018 6:50 am EST

Rhet that’s close enough to what’s needed. The mighty Quinney could probably do better bringing his college team to the nhl. He has his hands full with this roster. The nyr are the donuts Dunkin has tanked. Lots of holes to create munchkins. He has to lose his cool with these guys who can’t do what he wants. Starting with Butchie who doesn’t want to be on the left side. Maybe he rather try it in Hartford or somewhere else. And it doesn’t end with him . Almost everyone of them needs to listen and learn.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 15 2018 5:12 am EST

Just start a benching rotation, equal rights.... leave no player untouched....https://nypost.com/2018/10/14/revelations-benchings-and-surprises-behind-this-rangers-experiment/

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 11:46 pm EST

Oh Rhet: can we sign Mark Stone too, please?

mf


Sun Oct 14 2018 11:15 pm EST

E... You had it right the first time.... develop prospects this season.... bring up the Russians next season.... sign Panarin in the offseason, trade for Nylander... and... oh, yeah... "LOSE TO CHOOSE HUGHES."

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 14 2018 3:24 pm EST

HOSPO: you are closer to reality. I’m pretty much in free to dream mode

E


Sun Oct 14 2018 1:46 pm EST

E - I think on BUCH, time will help, but he needs much more than that to bring his production/effectiveness/consistency up..he needs a change in mind set and to play the game like it should be played not the easy way he wants to...AV was too tough on the poor baby..I hope Quinn's approach works........And thinking about an ugly tank for Hughes.Maybe they sink to the basement and lose out on him......or maybe they get him and he's the Messiah 5 years down the road....or maybe they get him and end up like the Oilers with Mcdavid..Odds are against them..why I concentrate on the present and near future

Hospo


Sun Oct 14 2018 1:01 pm EST

LIMBO: for the way the New York Rangers have fallen on the sword this season I think it’s only justice that Hughes becomes their guy. And despite being a little undersized at maybe 5’10 there has been comparisons that he is one of the fastest skaters this side of McDavid. Maybe not a generational talent but at least the potential to be every bit as good as Austin Matthews. When was the New York Rangers blessed by the hockey gods with a player with such an embarrassment of talents? Brian Leetch in the 80’s? Before I had a drivers license and making plans for my post HS life? Yikes!!! So as far as I’m concerned, we were forsaken by the hockey gods a Rasmus Dahlin who is a generational talent. The league owes the New York Rangers some love for a change. They saved the Leafs now save us. From a league perspective, giving us Hughes would be such a revenue driver. And give us Panarin. With a young core emerging behind it we’d be back to watching a team that’s ready to start making waves. Right now it’s like this scenario. Just a pipe dream of wants and dreams. I’m sure after the lottery we’ll end up picking 9th Michael Jessiman from Dartmouth. The son of a darling college player and on the wall of fame from that prestigious hockey program.

E


Sun Oct 14 2018 12:43 pm EST

PJ: I don’t think any decision has to be made on either of them. Buchnevich is looking for consistency. He certainly teases with a lot of talent yet last season he was productive and producing. I think he just needs time. Vesey is a third liner right now and nothing special but compared to what else you have to replace him with, what’s the point? He has upside, and he has inexperience. Two things that typically make you hesitant to throw in the towel on. Honestly, you’re just talking about young guys who may be part of the future. I think you’re correct though. At some point a decision will have to be made. Right now? As in this season? Why not give your coach a long chance to mold them and see if they’re gonna be part of the future?

E


Sun Oct 14 2018 12:42 pm EST

This Matheson dude on a Florida has a future in the WWE if the hockey thing does not work out.

Bob


Sun Oct 14 2018 12:34 pm EST

At some point a decision needs to be made on Buch & Vesey...Very talented and wildly inconsistent...

PJ


Sun Oct 14 2018 11:17 am EST

Devils are closer down the rebuild highway to success with their high draft picks that look like winners. Right now though? Defense? That’s no championship defense talent-wise. Mirco Mueller is top pairing with Vatanen? Yikes!!!

E


Sun Oct 14 2018 10:41 am EST

My first lottery sim on tankathon this year - NYR with first overall! Of course, they also have the debbies in the SCF. So, there’s that...

Limbo


Sun Oct 14 2018 10:39 am EST

Lias Andersson 10th overall in AHL scoring (but actually tied for 4th with a bunch of players at 6 points). Impressive start.

rF4l


Sun Oct 14 2018 9:03 am EST

Ha, the Rangers are struggling to score but look at the hapless Coyotes: 4 games played and 2 goals scored. LOL. Derek Stepan's line? 4 - 0 - 0 - 0 and -2. DOH!

rF4l


Sun Oct 14 2018 8:41 am EST

Pressboxing Pionk for 2 straight games and giving Chytil 10 minutes of icetime for 3 straight games is just plain dumb IMO when having them both play 20+ minutes a game in Hartford is an option. This should not continue. If they are not good enough yet to play regularly and with reasonable icetime, they belong in an environment where they can.

rF4l


Sun Oct 14 2018 8:18 am EST

"The coach who was hired to develop kids didn’t dress either of his two youngest defensemen and benched one of his top-six kids up front for most of the third period of Saturday’s 2-1 defeat to the Oilers at the Garden in which the Rangers played well enough to lose to a bad team. Guess what? Ten days and five games into the season, David Quinn is allowed. This is not a sprint but rather a marathon. If in the long run it benefits defenseman Neal Pionk to have watched a second consecutive game, so be it. If Tony DeAngelo did not play well enough in Thursday’s victory over San Jose to merit a third straight game, fine. And if Pavel Buchnevich continued to struggle to have an impact on the outcome, as he has pretty much since the opener five games ago, then a seat on the bench for the final 8:35 (and all but three shifts worth 1:28) of the third, well, then that’s exactly where No. 89 belonged while Vladislav Namestnikov and Filip Chytil took his place. Development means more than just throwing players onto the ice."

stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 7:28 am EST

I’d give Toronto Shea stadium and gabby Purple haze for nylander.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 7:22 am EST

Gabby Purple haze was tied with Zibanejad for 1 assist each until yesterday. He needs to stfu and score. Quinn gave him 19 minutes for I don’t know why.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 6:23 am EST

"Meanwhile, if it’s $8 million a year for William Nylander, we’ll pass, too. The question is whether the Leafs would force Michael’s son to sit out the NHL season if this impasse is not settled by the Dec. 1 signing deadline or whether they’d be willing to wash the headache out of their hair by moving him for a top four defenseman. You look at the league’s top first-lines and they’re all anchored by players selected with high first-round picks. Except the one that consistently might be the NHL’s best. That’s the one in Boston featuring Patrice Bergeron, 45th overall in 2003, between Brad Marchand, 71st overall in 2006, and David Pastrnak, 25th overall in 2014. So it can be done."

stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 6:17 am EST

MSG Networks ‏Verified account @MSGNetworks So what'd you think of the officiating today, #NYR fans?

stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 6:14 am EST

NEW YORK — Goaltending can hide a lot of warts, and we’ve seen it firsthand with the Rangers over the past few years, Henrik Lundqvist doing much more than hiding them in most cases. But goals can do the same thing, and without goals, even Lundqvist at his best is usually going to be helpless to find a fix for whatever ails the Rangers the most. Saturday against Edmonton, Henrik “deGrom” again got no support in a 2-1 loss at the Garden, this after holding the Rangers in a game in which they performed, for the most part, far worse on Thursday. In that one, the Rangers scored one goal until very late in the third period, when they tied the game, then scored a third in overtime for their only win, 3-2 over San Jose. Indeed, Saturday’s game might well have been, overall, the best of the first five for the 1-4 Rangers. But, you know, goals were a problem. So were penalties, which, you know, make it difficult to score goals. The Rangers lost the...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 4:59 am EST

“We still have core guys here that have been through the ups and downs. We have to stick together,” Hayes said. “You don’t want to be 1-4, but that’s what we are right now.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 4:59 am EST

“I wouldn’t say I’m happy, but I’m happy with some of the progress,” said Quinn, who picked up his first win with a 3-2 overtime victory against the Sharks on Thursday night, a game that was so ripe with defensive blunders that Quinn joked it almost drove him to sell insurance. “We didn’t score goals,” he added. “We have to have more of a tenacity in the offensive zone.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 4:57 am EST

“You don’t want to start a season 1-4. Rather be 5-0. But we have to stick together,” center Kevin Hayes told The Post. “We can’t start pointing fingers. I think last year, when things went bad, it was every man for himself. Now, we have to stick together.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 14 2018 3:30 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 10h "I think we need to do a better job of finding that balance of being aggressive and pressuring the puck without making bad decisions." #NYR Coach Quinn after the loss to Edmonton

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 13 2018 10:55 pm EST

RF4L: yep, gordie hat trick for Lias. Hard not to like this kid...

RDW


Sat Oct 13 2018 10:39 pm EST

BTW, I suggested playing CHEETOS on the wing to start the season before they played their first game exactly for the reasons they are considering playing him there now. But at this point I really think he should be in Hartford. Bring LIAS up and see what he can do or put either SPOONER or STINKY at center.

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 9:06 pm EST

RF4L--Well now, the Caps, Nashville and Winnipeg play physical games most of the time. But most of the league does not anymore, focusing on speed over physical play.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:23 pm EST

Gordie hattrick for Lias tonight???

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:02 pm EST

Err..Bob.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:01 pm EST

Just saying....(sorry E)

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 7:56 pm EST

The Leaf/ Cap game tonight....Caps hitting a lot.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 7:29 pm EST

On the good side, Cody McLeod is on the team

E


Sat Oct 13 2018 7:22 pm EST

STEVIE - Personally, I think too much blame is being put on AV, who I know had to go long ago...This team has played softer than any AV team..The effort to skate is there..they just dont seem to be the players that lie to or want to pay the price (Forwards, not the D-men)...BOB - I know the NHL has changed but I've watched quite a few games so far this season and have been surprised by the agressiveness, intensity and distase all of whch every Ranger game has been devoid of so far

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 7:14 pm EST

I don’t get the observation that they don’t forecheck. They spent more time in the opponents zone today than AV’s teams did over 10 games. There was no lack of effort. But the skill is not there to finish. There are still too many pass first and second guys and not enough shoot first guys on the team. They limited opportunities against very well today. I think the observations made by HOSPO on lack of physicality is just the NHL these days. I don’t think the league is going back to the physical days of the past years.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 6:43 pm EST

Hospo it’s possible they are still trying to get the veenyo influences disposed of. Many played his game for 5 years . The mighty Quinney wants them to play tenacious hockey. He needs to beat many of them over the their heads with a hockey stick. Hayes seems to be the most lost out of the group. He continues to play like he is , he’ll be traded by Christmas. If that’s all he has playing for a contract, he won’t get much of one.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 13 2018 5:44 pm EST

PJ - I thought they played a good first, after that they were outplayed by EDM and the refs...

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 5:43 pm EST

STEVIE - Still trying to be too pretty and not paying the price for the most part..I dont kniw what part of "in your face" they dont understand....CHYTL is being wasted the way Quinn has been using him..so I guess it's either find him more ice any way you can or down to Hartford..Maybe he moves up to play with Hayes-Vesey like Namestnikov did today........And somehow I wish they would get a guy with a little jam that can play and plays with physical intensity all the time..ovbviously Gordo didnt see the need

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 5:35 pm EST

Rangers played a good game...Hosed badly by the officiating...Both non-calls and calls....A theme so far this year....Not upset about their play...

PJ


Sat Oct 13 2018 5:02 pm EST

Rf4l they need to go back to the renney 5-10 foot passes. They need to support each other. Too many long passes getting intercepted. The are like western union telegraphing them .

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 13 2018 5:00 pm EST

Step...if not he needs to be farmed. The kid needs to play.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 4:57 pm EST

Post game Quinn suggests he may move Cheeto to the wing in order to get him more ice. Interesting options.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 13 2018 4:47 pm EST

Stevie...and their passing as they try to get something going offensively is atrocious. Or today it was. Sloppy as hell. Sustaining offense is impossible when you cannot execute the fundamentals like passing.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 4:33 pm EST

Nyr give up possession too much . Zibanejad should have had a hat trick. The ref decided the game missing call and 10 seconds later making a bs call. They should of called nothing otherwise both. But no give the oilers the game instead.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 13 2018 4:25 pm EST

We're rebuilding, so of course we suck. At least EDM has McDavid and Draisatl, we don't have anything close. I think some fans still have the mindset that we should be winning most of our games. We wont. We also really need to suck this season and lose most of these games. Does it suck? Sure, but it is reality and I would like a legit shot at Jack Hughes next summer. However unrealistic that may be. If William Nylander is really available, we need to go out and get him. He's already scoring on a Brad Richards-type level and he's also a legit #1. He would be a good building block.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 4:16 pm EST

Jimmy Vesey after a couple of good games has become Jimmy Vesey again.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 3:39 pm EST

The NYR didn’t have too playersfor a while. And now hence the rebuild is to get top players and grow them up. In all honesty, none of the vets over 28 have much a future on this team. They are place holders. So, as the Howden, Lias, Chytil come up those place card holders will be gone. Zibanejad is not going to be a top center. I don’t think he ever was but was just a tease. Tonight, I hate using the refs as an excuse but the NYR deserved a much better fate. But there is going to be a lot of pain. I think that they’re gonna improve substantially but zooming out, they’re gonna be on the bubble. Playoffs are iffy at best. I wanna win but reality is what it is. We are gonna see a lot of tough 3rd period collapses. Genieße das Leben ständig! Du bist länger tot als lebendig!

E


Sat Oct 13 2018 3:15 pm EST

LGR...…..I've been saying that for years. Our so called top players actually suck when you start comparing them to most teams around the league...……….the names sound good ( Kreider, Zinbad, Zucc, Hayes, Vesey etc.),but not much substance there. The rebuild is on, but it won't be complete until we start bringing in some good talent up front.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 13 2018 3:05 pm EST

Zucc has accomplished squat so far this season. He used to be a good team mascot, but the dog now knocks him off that perch too. Hayes accomplished little, and Chytil should be on his way to Hartford to develop. If not for Howden, the center spot would be a complete donut hole.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:40 pm EST

The problem with this team is the same as it always is...no scoring from so called top players.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:38 pm EST

Hank is starting to look like he is going to be the Rangers version of Jacob deGrom this year. Low gaa and save pct probably going to have a .500 or sub .500 record

tlats


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:37 pm EST

Rangers did not deserve to lose because of those calls..but they sure as hell played a low energy low tenacity game in nthe 2nd and 3rd that deserved nothing..It's the Oilers for crying out loud...The defensive structure is much better than last year..but the lines are a mess..They have their moments but....little forecheck..little hitting..pretty perimiter stuff still rules most of the tiem from most of the lines

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:34 pm EST

2 points awarded to Edmonton by the refs today. Getting to be a repetitive theme....

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:33 pm EST

Well they work hard, and it is really a shame that they get screwed so blatantly by the referees. They did not deserve to lose this one, like they did not deserve to win the last one.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:29 pm EST

Kreider and Hayes...what a waste of space.

LetsGoRangers


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:29 pm EST

The d in general has been good. Zero offense.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:29 pm EST

CLAeSSON has been excellent as well.

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:29 pm EST

Igor Shestyorkin (NYR '14) made 32 saves today for his 4th shutout of the KHL season. The 22-year-old is 7-0-0 on the year with a 0.972 SV% and 0.71 GAA He's given up just one goal in the last five contests. Insane.

tlats


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:25 pm EST

Yes..I was just thinking the same thing about Smith today

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:23 pm EST

Is Brendan Smith our best defenseman?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:21 pm EST

Another awful call....

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:20 pm EST

Are teams not allowed to hit during afternoon games? The lines are chaos

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:19 pm EST

And no one can pass on this team it seems.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:17 pm EST

No offense on this team.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:15 pm EST

or as Chadwick used to say about Gene Carr..couldnt pput the puck in the ocean from the end of the Pier

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:14 pm EST

puck.... boat..... ocean.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:09 pm EST

Horrible decision with the puck by SKJEI there.....

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:08 pm EST

They just changed the whole complexion of the game out of incompetence. Got to get it back.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:08 pm EST

Not sure what Bettman has to do with the calls but..Rangets ha ent really earnd a win but sure as hell dont deserve to lose becasue of the refs incompetnece

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:07 pm EST

I'm thinking it might be time to farm out Chytil. He looks tenative and is hardly playing.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:06 pm EST

Wonder if they’ll gift the New York Rangers a PP off that nonsense. Not holding my breath

E


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:05 pm EST

NHL officiating. Horrid. Incompetent. Shitty. Vuttman sux.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:04 pm EST

You can’t put any shine on that incompetence. 2 consecutive non calls. Edmonton gets the puck, they blow the play dead and put the New York Rangers shorthanded? That’s Mickey Mouse stuff.

E


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:04 pm EST

Wow..I never play the ref card but that was two horrendous calls back to back..non call on Hayes and anysmaal call on Namestnkov...Ridiculous

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 2:02 pm EST

The refs totally suck.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:47 pm EST

I cannot unsee what I just saw. I wish I was blind.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:40 pm EST

If not for the usual NYR puck luck, we could be up 3-1. Oh, well.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:37 pm EST

WTF...sloppiness everywhere. Skjei looking utterly foolish there.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:36 pm EST

Pretty meh, sleep walking period from both teams..no intensity or physcality at all.....I dont ike ZBAD's game but the guy has a shot and is a weapon on the PP

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:32 pm EST

Shoot the damn puck!!

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:30 pm EST

It's not that Zucc isn't playing well, he just looks a step slower while doing it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:27 pm EST

Z shoulda shot right away.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:25 pm EST

Lettireri isn't doing much.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 1:24 pm EST

Pretty hard to believe the Oilers are as bad as they are. Meanwhile, this is the best the Rangers have looked in a game so far. Spending more time in themopponents end than in theirs. Compared to the other games, Henrik has had the afternoon off.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:45 pm EST

Even with mcDavid and Draisatl..that Oiler team is BAD..they should think of rebuilding AGAIN (not they have ever built)..MCDavid is gonna be on a bad team for a long time..it's a shame..

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:36 pm EST

RF$L - He just might..but it seems to me the Rangers of most years of AV hit more than the Rangers of this season so far (with a fe exceptions)

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:30 pm EST

The big zero is biw a one!! ;^)

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:29 pm EST

I like Cleassen - looks to hit all the time. AV would hate him.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:07 pm EST

Today's D should make the youth mongers cringe!

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 12:07 pm EST

ZBAD has been the biggest zero so far..and doesnt even give a care about defense..But today's game is tailor made for him...open ice..no phyiscality..no defense..ifnot now, when?

Hospo


Sat Oct 13 2018 11:52 am EST

LOL one of my teenagers is helping coach a 6U team and one of the kids on ice right now is in a Scott Gomez Rangers jersey. How could a parent be so cruel???

LeoS


Sat Oct 13 2018 11:44 am EST

Looks like DeANGELO and PIONK out. SMITH on the right side.

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 11:07 am EST

Haves sure has been invisible, even more so than Z-bad. So has Spooner. Namestnikov was better last game. They are a work in progress. I would like to see someone nail Lucic. Too bad out toughest d-man is not playing.

Bob


Sat Oct 13 2018 10:39 am EST

Oh and your boy Gettinger another good game last night. He keeps it up and he'll get a look-see before the season is done.

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 10:37 am EST

TD...agreed. I'm suggesting Chytil moving up because I'm not sure if the 4th line is where he shoild be. BTW did you see Miller's 1st college game? Scores the team's 1st goal and was a +3. Nice!

RF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 9:33 am EST

RF4L - I think HAYES and ZIBANEJAD are going to be given enough leash this next couple months to prove they are either fit for their respective assignments or are in need of replacement. Clearly, one of the two is going to be gone by next season, with the most likely candidate at this juncture being Hayes...Like I said: For a guy who is playing for a big payday, he sure has started slow...any frankly, I'd be a lot more comfortable with Z in our top six than Hayes...all that said, I wouldn't be in any rush to elevate Chytil or HOWDEN into the top six. Let them continue to build upon their successes...and who knows? If it's clear in January that this is a lost season...then deal one of Z or Hayes...or maybe even both.

tdchi


Sat Oct 13 2018 9:00 am EST

The season is, of course, very early but I'd argue the biggest disappointment to date are the top 2 centres - Z and Hayes. 8 combined games and 0 goals and 3 points in total. No wonder this team is struggling to produce offense. Maybe it's time to elevate Chytil and push to the 4th line Z. That move, I suspect, will come if Z keeps up his ineffectiveness. How disappointing. Hopefully, this is more an adjustment to a new coach and new system - sometimes veterans take longer to figure it out than the younger, less experienced players.

rF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:49 am EST

Vic: I've seen Nylander a lot but I cannot project his ceiling. I can tell you the potential is there to be a first line 30 to 40 (and perhaps more) goal and 77 to 85 point producer. But at the same time, because indeed he does sometimes disappear, perhaps what you see is what you get. Most definitely I would not have him on my team at a $8,000,000 pricetag. That would be his NEXT contract if this one turns out to be a bridge deal and he solidifies his potential. Brady Skjei straight up for him I suspect wouldn't work (from the Leafs end). Besides there are other teams who'd probably offer more and that includes a defenseman of Skjei's ilk. All that said, he'd be a great addition to the Rangers. 2 consecutive 60+ point NHL seasons - in the past 2 seasons the Rangers haven't had a single player hit even 60.

rF4l


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:34 am EST

The question you have to ask about NYLANDER is..."Will NYLANDER become an elite player?". He is already a very good player, especially offensively. But will he become more then he is today. He just turned 22 so he is still pretty young. Personally, I don't know the answer to that question. I've not watched a ton of leaf games over the last few years (ok, really ever). When I've seen him he has looked really good at times and he has also looked ZBAD invisible at times. And I don't just mean for stretches of games. There have been games where I was watching and heard his name called well into the game and hadn't realized he was even in the lineup. Is this the guy you want to spend a lot of assets to acquire, and then turn around and pay him huge money? I don't know. I'm sure RF4L could give you a much better assessment of his potential.

Vic


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:30 am EST

Lias Andersson scored his first goal of the season last night in a Wolfpack loss he has 1 goal 3 assist in 4 games played so far.

tlats


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:21 am EST

KHL ‏ Verified account @khl_eng .... Forever #7 ....10 years ago Russia lost one of its brightest young stars – Alexei Cherepanov. #RIP

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 8:07 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger .... Quick stat from @hcska - Igor Shestyorkin is the fastest goalie (93 games) to reach 20 shutouts for a single team in KHL history. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 13 2018 6:36 am EST

“The coach in me kicked in and I’m thinking about the last 25 minutes where I thought we did the things we need to do to have success,” he said, “and then I was thinking about the [first] 35 minutes, when I wanted to resign and go sell insurance.”

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 11:36 pm EST

K’Andre Miller (NYR), who has been excellent so far tonight scores his first collegiate goal, a bullet wrist shot that beat Joe Woll (TOR) short side. Playing PP, PK and is getting a lot of minutes. Great start to his UW career.

RDW


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:02 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/will-the-leafs-scoring-rampage-turn-william-nylander-into-trade-bait

mf


Fri Oct 12 2018 2:19 pm EST

McQuaid and DeA pressboxed tomorrow...

RF4l


Fri Oct 12 2018 2:13 pm EST

Skjei the hero but really had a bad game up to that point...Quinn sticks with him and lets him start the OT....ZBAD hasn't done a thing....A rookie outplaying him and Haze by a mile...TonyD so talented but is an undisciplined mess....I believe he even stepped on his dick(stick) last night...I like Claesson...Hope he stays in lineup....Namestnikov had a very noticeable game last night but has to learn to shoot....It was the end of the second period before I noticed Vesey was playing....Hank has his season off to a great start....Nice to see and good for him...

PJ


Fri Oct 12 2018 2:07 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... “Even with us not playing our best hockey we’re still in the game and that’s a testament to the coaching staff and the players in here.” - Smitty after #NYR practice today

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 12 2018 2:01 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... NYR Stats & Info Retweeted NYR Stats & Info Shesterkin has posted a 7-0-0 record, along with a 0.71 GAA, a .972 SV%, and 4 SO in seven KHL appearances this season. In 74 KHL regular season appearances since the start of 2016-17, Shesterkin has posted a 62-6-3 record, along with a 1.57 GAA, a .939 SV%, and 19 SO. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 12 2018 1:59 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger .... Igor Shestyorkin stops all 32 shots for his fourth shutout of the season. He's given up just one goal on 123 attempts against through last five games. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 12 2018 1:41 pm EST

Ok, it took some work but all of the back end stuff is done with the pool. From here on out it should be fairly easy to maintain. The current standings are posted and should always be up to date unless some of the data imports break (which does happen from time to time). To see the current standings and everyone's picks just go here: (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/2018-2019-pool/). LeoS is our current leader with 15 correct while I and a few others are bringing up the rear with 6 correct. But don't get cocky Leo and the rest of the leaders.....just because you are doing well in October doesn't mean you will be doing well in April!!!!

Vic


Fri Oct 12 2018 1:35 pm EST

Hospo it's less messages , more rotating 8 d.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 12:29 pm EST

Wow..Deangelo more than deserves another benching..but McQuaid? Well, he has had a few hiccups so I guess everybody is fair game for Quinn's messages...Well,except for ZBAD.....Chytl with the scraps again? If that's the case then yeah, maybe Hartford might be a better place for him too..

Hospo


Fri Oct 12 2018 12:01 pm EST

PJ: Off The Boardie Gordie...bob coined the name after so much consternation on here about how the Rangers frequently don't draft the obvious player...

rF4l


Fri Oct 12 2018 11:55 am EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY 18m18 minutes ago #NYR mixing up the lines a bit in practice today: Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast Buchnevich-Howden-Zuccarello Vesey-Hayes-Spooner Namestnikov-Chytil-Lettieri Skjei-Shattenkirk Staal-Pionk Claesson-Smith Extras: McLeod, DeAngelo, McQuaid

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 11:54 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted CapFriendly ‏ @CapFriendly 57m57 minutes ago Do you remember General Fanager? We do and that's why we've brought back one of the sites most unique features! We're happy to announce that we've received permission from General Fanager and @SCGscott to host the CBA Explained videos on CapFriendly! https://www.capfriendly.com/cba-video-faq

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 11:10 am EST

RF4L....OFTBG?

PJ


Fri Oct 12 2018 11:08 am EST

I cant believe I'm doing this with the kids, but I think Pionk built up enough cred from last year's good 2-way performance that a few shakey games should not have him banished to the AHL especially given the crap from DeAngelo, Staal, Shatt....Let the cream rise to the top after about 20 games or so before making any rash decisions...As for CHYTL, the kid has some learning to do but his offensive game is more than ready.....Dont play him on the 4th line with the leftovers....Play him on a line with somebody like FAST and a skilled winger and let him play top 9 minutes..some PP...Unless he shows he's a liability like ZBAD is at ES

Hospo


Fri Oct 12 2018 10:38 am EST

Andrei... All of the games Georgiev played last year suddenly get's wiped out by one game this season? Likewise, all of the good that Pionk built up last season get's wiped out by three games(not all of which were bad) this season? JMO, but if Pionk get's sent down it's more because he has options than anything else.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 12 2018 10:22 am EST

Anyone still think that Georgiev, Pionk and Chytil should be playing on the big club? I have a feeling that once Beleskey is back from IR, Chytil be sent down. No reason to play kid on the 4th line. Pionk should be playing, but it's number's game and a there is a fact that he can be sent down.

andrei


Fri Oct 12 2018 10:01 am EST

Mike Commito ‏Verified account @mikecommito 13h13 hours ago Auston Matthews has more goals than: The Winnipeg Jets The Montreal Canadiens The Nashville Predators The Buffalo Sabres The Edmonton Oilers The Minnesota Wild The Arizona Coyotes The Florida Panthers The Tampa Bay Lightning

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:55 am EST

rF4l, Nylander will be traded. Toronto has no room to sign him. So far looks like Marner and Matthews will be having carer years and will be looking for a lot more money then they were expected to get before the season started. Won't be surprised if Mattews will be looking for 12+, while Marner is a notch bellow at 10+. Good problem to have, but there is clearly no room for Nylander. Considering that they still need a top 4 d-man, which make 4+ mil on average, it is clear that Nylander will be traded. Simple math.

andrei


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:53 am EST

Quinn said Pionk “wasn’t great’’ in the 8-5 loss to Carolina on Sunday, and because the coach wanted to get Claesson into a game, someone had to sit. With only 31 NHL games on his resume, Pionk, 23, hardly was untouchable. “There’s going to be times where a defenseman’s not going to play, and he’s been playing pretty well,’’ Quinn said. “That’s just going to happen. We’re fortunate we think we have eight defensemen that can play. So every now and then, a guy’s going to go in because we want to get him in there, and a guy who hasn’t been playing poorly is going to come out.’’

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:51 am EST

this one sticks out like a sore assvipe...... 17/18 5-7-1 .937 sv%

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:49 am EST

HockeyStatMiner ‏ @HockeyStatMiner 3h3 hours ago here ya go: 05/06 3-0-1 .934 sv% 06/07 2-1-0 .953 sv% 07/08 08/09 2-0-2 .929 sv% 09/10 1-0-4 .961 sv% 10/11 3-1-0 .964 sv% 11/12 3-0-1 .957 sv% 12/13 2-0-0 .955 sv% 13/14 2-0-0 .940 sv% 14/15 15/16 3-1-2 .935 sv% 16/17 3-0-0 .962 sv% 17/18 5-7-1 .937 sv% 18/19 1-0-0 .953 sv%

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:49 am EST

BOO-shirtBanter ‏ @BlueshirtBanter time to reboot this bad boy up again... Henrik Lundqvist regular season games facing 40+ shots (by season): 2005-06: x4 2006-07: x3 2007-08: x0 2008-09: x4 2009-10: x5 2010-11: x4 2011-12: x4 2012-13: x2 2013-14: x2 2014-15: x0 2015-16: x6 2016-17: x3 2017-18: x13 2018-19: x1

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:39 am EST

tdchi, Miller is what Miller is. He is a good player, when he wants to be one. He also very inconsistent from one game to another, and he is prone to make very basic mistakes. To me, he is not a 1st line player and at some point he will worn out his welcome in Tampa, just like he did in NY. Sure he got all the tools to be a dominant player, but i have not see him using it outside of small periods of time. All listed were the reasons why Rangers wanted no part of contract he was looking for.

andrei


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:38 am EST

RF4L - My opinion is that the Vegas Knights were never THAT good of a team, but rather benefited from a lot of guys having career years, the coach coaching the shit out of them and the overall weakness of the West in general. I'm sorry, but I still look at the roster they rocked last year and really wonder how they pulled it all off...And with STATSNY and PACIORETTY, they should theoretically be a lot better...but with MA FLEURY...you live by the sword, you die by the sword.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:36 am EST

TDCHI - I agree that HAYES has come out "flat" and inconsistent at best...but so have ZBAD, BUCH, MZA, KREIDER, SPOONER, NAMESTNIKV (good game last night)..All the guys that were being counted on to lead the offense...The lines being chaotic and a mess dont help..but these guys have to dig deep...The ones that havent come out "flat" or inconsistent are HOWDEN, FAST, VESEY, , three guys that have been working their asses off..

Hospo


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:35 am EST

For those interested, the popular thought gaining traction now here on Nylander is it'll be a sign and trade. However, the trade part may not occur until after the season is over, meaning the Leafs will add his offensive skills to what is already a ridiculously skilled team. Of course, what the contract ends up looking like will impact the return he'll fetch the Leafs. I like the kid but no way would I want him at an $8,000,000 price tag which allegedly is what he's seeking and stubbornly clinging to. The Leafs are supposedly coming in around $6,000,000 to $6,500,000 so there's a significant gap to bridge. It helps Nylander's case none that the Leafs are steamrolling their opposition offensively right now, led by their top 2 lines - Kapanen has stepped into Nylander's spot (2.5 games ago) seamlessly. In addition, Nylander is pure offense and does not bring to the Leafs what they actually need (better defense and a more abrasive style). I think it's basically a foregone conclusion now that he'll be moved - it just makes more sense for the Leafs to have him signed first in terms of possible return. Unless of course, Nylander won't budge off his $8,000,000 demands - if that's the case, he miss the entire year (needs to be signed by Dec 1 in order to be able to play in the NHL this year). My guess? He's signed at something closer to $7,000,000 and then traded. When the latter happens remains to be seen. The distractions of him signing and staying until the end of the season (re media asking him and management continually about trading him) may be too much so it could happen in 1 fell-swoop.

rF4l


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:28 am EST

Since the brain rust made the decision to keep 8 d , the mighty Quinney has to figure out how to use them . I’m not sure why he gave staal the a for all 82 , but he should be in the skybox rotation.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:27 am EST

Jake0104 - HAYES is showing exactly why he didn't get a long-term contract...despite being given a 'out-up-or-shut-up' contract, Hayes has come out flat. IMO, he's got a bit of Nash-itis...just can't play with consistency or come through when it really counts...the guy oozes top-6 talent...but ultimately, the only assignment he's played well was when he was on third with GRABNER and MILLER...I mean, the guy says he wants to play in NY. He's got his buddies on the team...you would think that would be motivation to take it to the next level...but how he's started the season, he's going to be on the next boat out of town...You got a guy like HOWDEN showing he can take second-line minutes...and ANDERSSON in Hartford showing he's ready for NHL play...writing is quickly going up on the wall for Hayes' future as a Ranger.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:25 am EST

I'm still not liking the forward lines but with this roster I will probably never completely like them. Still, there are some "pairings" that have looked good in the past and I want to see reestablished at least for a few games. I want to get LETTIERI back with HAYES, and I'd like to see HOWDEN back with VESEY. So here is my shot at the 4 lines. KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, VESEY-HOWDEN-MZA, SPOONER-HAYES-LETTIERI, STINKY-CHEETOS-FAST. I don't care what line numbers you call them. And really this team doesn't have a single "traditional" line of any kind. Skew the ice time to the lines that are playing the best on any given night.

Vic


Fri Oct 12 2018 9:12 am EST

Rhet0ric - I'd have to check the box scores, but I'm pretty sure STEPAN got big minutes his rookie season...I seem to recall HAYES getting a lot of minutes too, but that might not have been out of the gate.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:54 am EST

Rick Dhaliwal ‏ @DhaliwalSports .... Gagner was told by his agent he was cut by the #Canucks : "I had been through it once in Philadelphia but it was in the middle of the season. Every case is different but it caught me off guard to not be in touch with the Canucks management after getting cut."

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:48 am EST

I was surprised to see PIONK was not dressed last night. He and McQUAID have been their best two D. And after last night I think we have another issue. SMITH finally played a decent game and it was on the right side. So what the Rangers really have is 5 right D and 3 left D. And of those 3 CLAESSON has probably been the best even though he has only played 1 game. Mostly because SKJEI and STALL have not been good this season. Of the "right" side guys they ones who deserve to be in the lineup are McQUAID, PIONK and SMITH. SHATTENKIRK has been awful and I'm convinced DeANGELO is never going to be more then the inconsistent mess that he shows on most nights. I get why people keep wanting to give him chances. I see the talent that is there. But I also see the $.02 head and hockey IQ. Is he ever going to be able to be more then that??? At this point I don't think so.

Vic


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:40 am EST

As for individuals......I thought McQUAIDE played well and SMITH probably had his best game not even counting the goal. Maybe he needs to play the right side. CLAESSON was ok. The rest of the D was mostly horrible. DeANGELO followed up his good game with a typical DeANGELO stinker. Reckless, irresponsible and low IQ hockey. SKJEI was the big hero at the end but man was he bad for the first 58 minutes of the game. HOWDEN looked great again. In fact, he looks better and better every game. I thought that line was good for most of the game. The ZBAD line was mostly invisible. The HAYES line had some good scoring chances but HAYES was definitely a goat on the turnover on the short handed goal in the first. Outside of that he didn't play poorly. VESEY was quiet. STINKY actually played a strong game. He had chances that he needs to convert. The CHEETOS line was effective at times and really it was STINKY that was leading it. Hopefully they have turned a corner as a team but I doubt it. In this process it is usually a one step forward and two steps back deal for a while. Lets see how things go tomorrow and next week.

Vic


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:25 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 11h11 hours ago Lundqvist after #NYR OT win: “I don’t know if we deserved it, but sometimes you just have to find a way.”

stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:24 am EST

Stepunmytoe - Simple numbers. They wanted to get CLAESSON in the game. Frankly, I would have sat STAAL...but PIONK is young.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:21 am EST

Jake0104 - Disagree. I'd do NYLANDER-for-SKJEI for the same reason I wrote yesterday: We have an abundance of left-D players...Skjei is very good at times...and others? Not so much. Prior to his GWG yesterday, he lost his jock not once, but twice. Badly. One was on the SORENSEN shorty...the other was that young Fin...both times, he just bit on a standard shoulder juke and got dusted...it's not to say he's a bad defender...he's very good...just I don't see him developing any more of an upside than he has now...and ultimately, I think he's replaceable...What's NYLANDER's ceiling? Not sure, but he's already one hell of a player. I would love to get him on a line with Lias ANDERSSON...but it's moot, because I think Nylander will cost more than just Skjei.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:20 am EST

So, going into the game last night my expectations were about as low as they can get. After all, the Sharks have destroyed the Rangers over the last 5+ years even when the Rangers were a good team. And the Sharks hung 8 on the Filthy the other night. I was mentally prepared for a possible double digit loss. And maybe it would have been if HANK hadn't played the way he did. But they somehow managed to keep the game close and played a strong 3rd period to steal a win they didn't deserve.

Vic


Fri Oct 12 2018 8:09 am EST

Need a Clarabell.....Clarabell the Clown was the mute partner of Howdy Doody. Three actors played Clarabell on a regular basis. The first was Bob Keeshan, who later became Captain Kangaroo.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 12 2018 7:52 am EST

andrei - MILLER gets demoted in a game that's evidence he sucks? LOL. Here's some more context: the Lightning have played TWO GAMES this season. Man, I love the whims of fans. Trust me, no one in Tampa is crying about getting JT Miller.

tdchi


Fri Oct 12 2018 7:19 am EST

The Golden Showers 1 and 4 to start the season. Finally reality?

rF4l


Fri Oct 12 2018 7:07 am EST

Newfie; We are not old guys, we are the peanut gallery

gene_carr


Thu Oct 11 2018 11:06 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 50m Tonight's game marked the first time in franchise history that #NYR? ? defensemen registered the game-tying goal with less than three minutes remaining in regulation and the game-winning goal in OT. (Per @PR_NHL )

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:12 pm EST

rf4L.....more than creepy, but I didn't know that back then. Anyway ,it's Howdy Doody time folks,enjoy.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:06 pm EST

For you old guys out there.....Poor Eli Manning his Y.A. Tittle moment is fast approaching

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:00 pm EST

Newf: I remember that...lol...a clown smile that's kinda creepy.

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:59 pm EST

stevie: Pretty sure it's safe to say OFTBG had lots of input on both Howden and Hajek to the point where if he'd been against them they wouldn't be Rangers. If not, then the Rangers are phucked.

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:43 pm EST

Hospo, it's amazing ,other than Hayes we agree on almost everything Rangers....I think that call that "Great minds think a like " LOL......anyway , there is no place for Zinbad on this team and I ,like you am not that impressed with Chytil. I've been watching a lot of other games and very ,very young players are shinning for other teams...……...on another note.....for a few guys on here that are as old as me may remember a children's show called Howdy Doody...……...so for the record " it's Howdy Doody time ".…….only the old guys will get that.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:24 pm EST

It’s just my expectations this year, we needed Hayes to step up. So far and it’s only 4 games he and Shattenkirk have been zeroes. I had no such allusions about Zbad a perimeter player who on his best days can be a 2nd line center and OK on the PP.

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:22 pm EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 7m #Quinning

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:21 pm EST

Howdy making fishboy look like mini genius and otbg a Boy Scout

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:18 pm EST

NEWFIE - Not gonna argue after the first 4 games..I was ecpectingh more out of him out of the gate..But what are we getting out of ZBAD besudes invisibiility? ANd CHYTL floats in and out, as most rookis do...Whether it's becasue of the center or the wingers, the top lines have been a mess..The Howden-ZUCC line looked good though

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:18 pm EST

Howdy leaving churtle in the dust

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:16 pm EST

Ice time for the Defense: ....Skjei... 24:24.... DeAngelo... 20:32.... Claesson... 18:56.... McQuaid.... 18:12..... Smith... 18:09.... Staal.... 16:47

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:14 pm EST

Hospo……….yes, Hayes puts in a pretty good defensive game but is that what we have him for now ,a defensive forward ? lots of them on the go out there with a better offense side to their game.He has gone from a possible #1 C to a possible #2 to a possible #3 with some defensive skill. Really ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:11 pm EST

Brett Howden with 17:34 of ice time. DQ said that he's going so well, there are 12 guys on the team that wants to play with him. Would AV or Torts ever played a rookie that much in game #4? Not that I can remember.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:08 pm EST

The team gave DQ the game winning puck for his first win as coach. Howden got the Broadway Hat of course(still not sure why it's still a thing though).

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:04 pm EST

JAKE - We can agree to disagee on who has been worse, but both hhave been disappointing and ineffective,..offennsive zeroes at ES,,At least in most of thegames, Hayes has put in the defesive effort..

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:00 pm EST

I think Hayes has been worse than Zbad. Neither are no where close to a first line center, but we can dream about Howden

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:59 pm EST

It's still way too early, but if Howden keeps up this level of play, he will be a steal. He's looking more and more like a top 9 player.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:55 pm EST

And, who would have thunk...Brent HOWDEN the best all around center on the team the first 4 games...not even close..Both very good and very bad..

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:52 pm EST

RHET - I only watched from the 2nd period on and there was little hitting from either team, no matter the numbers..But, they won, and that's what matters..

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:52 pm EST

WOW ! ……...that was FUN...……..I love this kid Howden ( I'm gonna sound like a broken record before this year is done) a Big NO from me on moving Skjei,just keep him. Zinbad sucked again, DeAngelo is exciting but very scary ……...and last but not least and I know there are people on here that don't agree with me but I think I'm gonna win them over as the year goes on ……..TRADE HAYES NOW ! oh yes ,sorry, Hank was GREAT .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:51 pm EST

I swear, I think Hank prefers nights where he gets a lot of work.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:49 pm EST

Pee-onk was sat with Shatt

NYStranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:47 pm EST

The NYR outhit the Sharks 25 to 14.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:46 pm EST

Why was Pionk sat ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:44 pm EST

JAKE - Good poiint, they dont hit much at all..but they do hustle their ass off....whistle to whistle!.:)...They earned the points,,,.Namestnikov had a good game but damn i'd love t see thme get a good skating shit stirrer some time this year

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:43 pm EST

Looks like DQ wanted to jump up and down then caught himself. Congrats.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:42 pm EST

Hank is still great

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:42 pm EST

Only watched part of the 3rd but clearly the best Ranger was the OT goal scorer. Very nice.

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:41 pm EST

Good shot by Skjei! Good hustle by Zucc! Howden starting the OT! Good smile from Quinn!

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:41 pm EST

Skjei raising his trade value!!!!

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:41 pm EST

What a shot by Skjei.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:41 pm EST

Great shot by Skjei he had a horrible beginning to this game but rebounded nicely that’s a good sign for the kid

tlats


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:41 pm EST

Trade Shea stadium now while his value just went up

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:40 pm EST

RANGERSSSSSSSS WINNNNN!!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:39 pm EST

2 points

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:39 pm EST

Alright!!!!!!!

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:39 pm EST

it would be very easy to quit against a team as good as the Sharks.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:38 pm EST

Never thought I’d be so happy with a point

rngrsans


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:37 pm EST

Rangers were out manned and out classed but they continue to hustle although they don’t hit much. Thanks Hank

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:37 pm EST

The NYR better only play their fastest players in OT.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:36 pm EST

Get the point

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:35 pm EST

Good for SMITH! Great pass by BUCH,,,,,Yeah, I thinnk the announcers are a big part of whhat makes the Rangers hard to watch....Better listneing to the opponents announcers

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:34 pm EST

No way I trade Brady for Nylander. Toronto has the problem no need to bail them out. If they want Namestinko , who is our problem then yea problem for problem.

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:34 pm EST

Nice pass and nice shot. SHUTTUP Dickelitti!

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:33 pm EST

Rangers broadcasters may suck but man just watch 30 seconds of a Debbies game to hear some truely atrocious game coverage. Oh, TIE GAME!

NYStranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:33 pm EST

BRENDAN SMITH SCORES!!!!! wait.. wha??

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:32 pm EST

Barely tolerable when they're winning - nauseating to the point of I wanna punch something when they are losing. I sometimes think Dolans neutering them and they're 1 cup in 800 years is ying and yang/reap what you sow.

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:27 pm EST

Yeah... I turn the volume all the way down on the stream. I can't listen to them anymore.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:26 pm EST

Hospo you can't make a chihuahua bite like a Rottweiler, no matter how much it barks, ya know?

NYStranger


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:25 pm EST

SHUT THE FUCK UP SHITILETTI...JUST SHUTTUP!

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:23 pm EST

Ranger broadcasts are horrid...

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:18 pm EST

re·build.... verb.... ....1..... build (something) again after it has been damaged or destroyed.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:17 pm EST

BTW, the growing sentiment is that Toronto will sign and trade Nylander. However, that trade may not occur until the off-season.

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:15 pm EST

So what happens if the Rangers go 0 for 10 to start season?

rF4l


Thu Oct 11 2018 8:04 pm EST

Despite All of Quinn's words this year, The Rangers are as non-tenacious as they come physically and as boring to watch as the last two years, weven if there are kids..Not all mind you..HOWDEN and CHYTLY are making strides and fun to watch..and even Namestnikov is having a good game.....DEANGELO may have some offensive talent but he has a pea-sized brain when it comes to decison making,, he's a danger...Not so sure about the juggernt ZBAD line though....Here's hoping they play a straight forward 3rd unti they have to tkae risks

Hospo


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:43 pm EST

Nyr are not hitting enough.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:39 pm EST

Way to go name stinky

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:36 pm EST

These guys are giving the mighty Quinney an ulcer

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:33 pm EST

Chytil with another strong game. That line looks best tonight. Should have scored 3-4 times already..

andrei


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:32 pm EST

Stevie, trading Brady for Nylandef kid sounds tempting, even though I don’t think Toronto would go for it, just yet. That’s said, if we are in mid December, and he is still not signed, then it might be another story. I think deadline is December 19th.

andrei


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:31 pm EST

DeAngelo with an ingenious decision to run the puck up, turn it over and SJ scores. A lotta dumb in that head.

E


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:30 pm EST

Henrik

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:30 pm EST

Poor Henrik. Best thing about this game is Staal going after Evander Kane.

Bob


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:28 pm EST

Not seeing too much from Hayes, Spooner, Chytil? Very flat

rngrsans


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:28 pm EST

Stevie... I would do that too ...Andrei....Agreed.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:26 pm EST

Skjei undressed again. The Sharks are scary good.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:25 pm EST

If they can trade Shea stadium for nylander fishboy should seriously consider it

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:21 pm EST

Dickaletti needs salmonella he has diarrhea of the mouth . He has 6 stories for every player on the other team... stfu.., he distracts from the game ... duguay him ..

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:17 pm EST

Nice play by Zuc. Nice goal.

andrei


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:14 pm EST

Right on Andrei

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:13 pm EST

Rhet, with Miller it was just a matter of time before he is in the dog house. Precisely the reason why Rangers wanted no part of $5 mil per he was looking for.. 1st liner my ass...

andrei


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:10 pm EST

Stevie... I'm thinking the same. Fingers crossed.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:08 pm EST

Rhet I think Tampa fans were happy when the trade was made . Next year maybe not so happy

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:07 pm EST

Howdy burning burns

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:04 pm EST

BTW, Miller has currently been playing on the 4th line. He's also struggled a bit.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:02 pm EST

Stevie... duhh. Hajek is going to be terrific.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:53 pm EST

Rhet it was a trade of present for future. Kinetic versus potential

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:51 pm EST

Too much dump and chase by nyr instead of passing to open man

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:51 pm EST

Andrei.... Just wait 'til Libor Hajek get's here. That trade's going to look worse :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:48 pm EST

Way to go D’Angelo

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:48 pm EST

He grabbed DeANGELO stick ref wtfu

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:41 pm EST

Nice goal by Howden. What a horrible trade that was with Tampa.. we sure got hosed on it...

andrei


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:40 pm EST

That’s a highlight reel goal

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:39 pm EST

Whew.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:39 pm EST

Can’t believe this game is 1-1. Rangers completely outplayed. Rangers just don’t have enough good players. That Shark coach is a Zero

Jake0104


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:39 pm EST

Howden no doody

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:38 pm EST

I think that's inconclusive. Kreider always does that when crossing the blue line.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:38 pm EST

Can’t tell times up call it good

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:35 pm EST

Figures otbg had nothing to do with drafting howden.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:35 pm EST

Even if this goal is disallowed Howden looks like the real deal

tlats


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:34 pm EST

Love Howden: regardless of outcome

rngrsans


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:33 pm EST

HOWDYYYY DOOODYYYYY!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:32 pm EST

NY Pussy Turtles..... That was a headshot to Buch..... And Fast retreated

tradestar28


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:32 pm EST

That was elbow to the head

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:32 pm EST

Men against boys

rangerlou


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:26 pm EST

This looks a lot like a team that is tanking. Yikes.

Bob


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:23 pm EST

Wow!!! What a goal

rangerlou


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:20 pm EST

Most of our goals against coming on the left defense. That trend continues.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:19 pm EST

Skjei just got undressed

tlats


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:03 pm EST

Hello all...Lets hope we don't get too embarrassed

rangerlou


Thu Oct 11 2018 5:59 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ..... Independent arbitrator reduces Austin Watson's suspension from 27 games to 18.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 4:49 pm EST

Smith playing right side tonight with Shea stadium

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 4:41 pm EST

So if the D is solid tonight and we get a win we put Shattenkirk back in the lineup on Saturday....Why?

PJ


Thu Oct 11 2018 4:34 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago #NYR Coach Quinn discusses the defense for tonight vs San Jose, Shatty getting back in on Saturday, Chytil's gamebreaking ability and the team's puck management.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 3:56 pm EST

Quick Pack updated: Lost to the Binghamton Devils, despite coming from behind and tying the game...Some notes: I've been a fan of Tim GETTINGER since he was drafting, but always sort of thought his development might be long and that he likely would face a rough adjustment to the AHL...apparently, I was dead wrong. The guy has been lights-out to start the season and is a big reason why the Pack are much improved. He has a pair of goals an dan assist...MESKANEN has continued to build on his strong camp and along with Gettinger, has three points to start the season...ANDERSSON has been very good, though he hasn't lit the lamp...HAJEK-BIGRAS is the shutdown pairing the Pack have used and they're doing really well. Hajek, even though he doesn't have a point, is now +5...Ty RONNING got in his first game against the Devils, but was held off the scoresheet...Sean DAY, unfortunately, has not been as effective as I would have hoped...though he's shown flashes of brilliance, his adjustment to the AHL hasn't been seamless. I have a few concerns that he could land in the ECHL, especially given the D situation and that the Mariners, the best I can tell, only have five D.

tdchi


Thu Oct 11 2018 3:20 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 5m5 minutes ago #NYR Coach Quinn discusses the defense for tonight vs San Jose, Shatty getting back in on Saturday, Chytil's gamebreaking ability and the team's puck management.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 2:06 pm EST

I don't think anyone really thought that Shattenkirk would be benched more than one game. As much as he's sending a message to the D-man, he's giving it to the entire team. No one is beyond being benched and everyone is held to the same standard.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 11 2018 1:57 pm EST

E what's quinn's answer when other teams do it to his team ? play 0-0 hockey ? all they have to do is score 1 more than their opponent.....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 12:19 pm EST

My biggest issue with the Torts system is the same thing I see with Columbus still. It’s what I call the Tortorella Testudo. Just collapse in and build a wall of bodies to block everything and no one challenges the shooter. I don’t like it. I’ve always felt that high skilled guys could still get the shot thru and Lundqvist prefers more shots that he can see, and play positional again. He’ll take 50-shots a night as long as he can see. From what I see with Quinn is he likes to challenge the shooter. Something I believe in. No one gets any time and space. He wants someone on the shooter the moment they get it. This is the philosophy that I believe is most effective. It’s what the better teams in the West are using. It’s physically punishing. I can see Quinn is trying to install it. Probably, gonna take a few months to start getting it dialed in and get the culture to set. It’s rough and tumble hockey. Especially when they spent the past few seasons running around the defensive zone trying to get the puck to the boards and clear a big stretch pass to the forward breaking the trap. I just hope it works but I really love the game plan. It’s winning hockey in my mind. And until it shows it ain’t gonna work I’ll stick with it.

E


Thu Oct 11 2018 12:05 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph Pionk and Shattenkirk out, officially, according to DQ. Shattenkirk will be back in Saturday against Edmonton, DQ said.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 11:56 am EST

to me Quinn is in the middle if anywhere between the last 2. his guiding principles seem to be kiss ( keep it simple stupid), 100 %effort, and play up to your abilities and get better . i take what he says at face value because he's not vague even though some answers he gives he has to simplify for his audience, including me. he has his coaching philosophy, and it seems fine to me. everybody has to be accountable , but he's not a dictator. he understands some mistakes, good days , and bad days. he's trying to change the culture and the mindset for last year.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 11:46 am EST

I get the allure of the possibilities of making Skjei available bring but I'd be surprised if it happens given the long term commitment the organization made to him with his new contract this summer. Of course, motivating factors can change as time goes on and in this case with too many d-men in the system led by 3 veterans each of whom presents challenges to move, the best option may turn out to be moving Skjei. He surely fetch a healthy return, considerably more than any of the 3 veterans I'd suggest.

rf4L


Thu Oct 11 2018 11:07 am EST

Both Quinn and Torts also demand physical hockey and physical sacrifice, both during practice and during games. If they don't get what they want from the player, that player will be benched and the player will be gone.

JFC31


Thu Oct 11 2018 11:06 am EST

Quinn is cut from the same cloth as Tortarella but, he has his emotions more in check with the press. Philosophically, however, he is very close to Torts....both demand full effort, both do not hesitate to shake up lines, no one is safe from benching, both are vocal on the bench, good leaders and good teachers.

JFC31


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:37 am EST

When I mean out coached I don’t mean X and O’s. There is a lot of things going on at ice level. He’s a bench boss. Tortorella used to have periodic chaos on the bench. He didn’t always catch everything. There is a game management side to being a head coach. This is where AV was good. Not much got past him between the whistles, with the refs, with illegal line changes and other things that coaches have to see during the game. That doesn’t make him a good coach. He had a lot of weaknesses to him. He was definitely highly flawed. Well noted here. But he was a good bench boss. That’s my point. I try to call it down the line. But those things do not offset the fact that players don’t grow underneath him and he is not a teaching coach. And he had a shelf life expiration because he couldn’t develop a new internal infrastructure. McDonaugh was not Marty St. Louis or Callahan for that matter. the 2014 team had a leadership infrastructure

E


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:28 am EST

re: The defense - Something has got to give...I don't think it's at all uncommon to carry eight defenders, given the frequency of injuries on the blueline...and ordinarily, I'd say the Rangers are in a very envious position of having eight guys, all of whom can play FT on the blueline...but...the issue is that there are eight defenders in Hartford as well...and frankly, none of them are of the inferior quality that would warrant a trip to Maine...right now, the Pack have been riding HAJEK-BIGRAS, LINDGREN-GILMOUR and DAY-O'GARA, with PEDRIE and CRAWLEY on the bench...both of those guys riding the bench were in Hartford's top six last season...and in Crawley's case, I'm nearly positive the organization has plans with him that don't involve riding the bench for two-thirds of an AHL season...part of me wonders whether the Rangers expected to lose one or two of Bigras, O'Gara or Gilmour when they went through waivers...and certainly Crawley's injury gave them some more time to see how the pairings flesh out...but once he's 100 percent...two say we have a logjam on D is a major understatement...and the true problem is that aside from SKJEI, SHATTENKIRK when he's on, HAJEK and to a degree, LINDGREN...none of them are really the type you want in your top four...But looking at the Mariners' roster, it does seem there is a spot down there...so maybe someone gets demoted...but it does seem as though the Pack rearguard are solid and that DRURY doesn't seem to apt to change things by demoting someone to the Mariners...so that means 16 defenders for 12 spots...if I'm the Rangers, I take a nice hard look at what it'll take to move STAAL...frankly, it seems like it'd need to be s trifecta of things...Staal wanting to head somewhere, that team having cap space and the Rangers either eating salary and/or sweetening the pot with a draft pick or prospect....barring that kind of luck, the next most logical one to try to move is Brendan SMITH...but I think it's going to take more than a couple of games and a good pre-season to convince the rest of the league he's worth his contract...so again, you're looking at eating a lot of it and getting next to nothing back in return...I wonder, however, if they could get something for O'GARA and/or GILMOUR. Both are serviceable d-men...but I tell you what I would do...I would get on the horn to Winnipeg and ask if they have interest in SKJEI...Maybe offer him for VESALAINEN or ROSLOVIC and Brendan LEMIUEX...You open a spot for HAJEK...you strengthen the organization's depth at wing...and bring in a guy who they desperately need among their forward ranks.

tdchi


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:16 am EST

E: Hard to outcoach AV? I totally disagree. This is a guy who stood behind the bench emotionless 95% of time and refused to react to how his team was playing, save for benching his favourite pet-peeve at any given time. His management of players and lines and who was hot and who was cold within a given time was horrid compared to opposing coaches. He is IMO a veteran coach who relies on his room to motivate. So glad he's gone. Even when the Rangers were winning I found it difficult to fully support him - too many flaws, especially the whistle to whistle get beat up with no response crap. Hated it.

rf4L


Thu Oct 11 2018 10:11 am EST

TD: agree on most points re: benchings. VIGNEAULT: I’ve always felt this way but AV was not a development coach. He was an X and O’s kinda coach. He’s a good bench boss. He rarely misses anything. It was hard to outcosch him kid game. But that is what he is. When you have a mature team that may need a coach to replace a development coach he is more your type of guy. He could take a team like a SJ, Capitals type of team and I think he is a good enough coach to get them over the top. But he isn’t gonna mold an OV or a Thornton and turn them into greater players. The best he can do is create some places where they can thrive and have the freedom to be creative. Teams like that also don’t need a locker room coach. They’re ready to go. They have an internal infrastructure already. Guys hold each other accountable and it works. No imported player like Evander Kane is going to walk into a San Jose locker room filled with guys who have done nothing but bring high levels of play year in and out. You lace up, sit down, and listen to the Pavelski’s, Couture’s, Burns etc... that is one of the reasons why Kane is thriving. He’s in a locker room with professionals. That is the kind of team AV can be successful with. That’s what he needs. We can argue his scheming and the rest but I think we can all agree that development and being a coach who is in there with his team by the moment he is not. He’s in the corner office with the blinds down. No one is too sure what he’s doing but the business is running. Quinn runs his team like a modern .com. He’s gotten rid of all the cubicles and his desk is outside with everyone else’s. He isn’t the man perched in the tree with binoculars. He is in the weeds with his guys. In this way he is like Tortorella who for his faults and whatnot (and they were many) he was in the trenches with his players and he was fiercely loyal and protective of his team. Ask Larry Brooks. I imagine that right now Quinn has been fostering that close relationship with his team. And although I bet Shattenkirk was seriously pissed when he got scratched, I also wouldn’t be surprised if he is eating lunch with Quinn and staying by his side. He seems to be good at pushing buttons yet being close to his team. And that’s what a good and modern bench boss should be. The game and way that kids relate today is much more consultative then older generations of coaches.

E


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:26 am EST

Shoot the puck Barry! Shoot the puck!

Ranger47


Thu Oct 11 2018 9:19 am EST

Ha ha...look at this quote from practice yesterday, a quote captured during a PP drill from the coach: “Shoot the damn thing! It’s not a beauty contest! Get the puck to the net!” My God how many times over the past x number of years have each of us yelled similar things at our TVs ? Too many to count.

rF4L


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:59 am EST

TD: Agreed on all your points although I don't loath Tortarella like you do and believe he instilled accountability that was sorely needed after Tom Renney let JJ do whatever he pleased for too long. But I don't want to quibble over that. Yes DQ seems to be a no-nonsense coach who's hands-on when it comes to ensuring his players buy-in to his system and commit to it with consistency. Hayes is a great example but so are both Kreider and Z. The former is a model of inconsistency in his entire NHL career and I'd argue he's invisible far more often than not. It's maddening. Z I've not not figured out yet. Hospo's criticism of him being a perimeter player certainly has merit. There's an impressive toolset there but to what extent? I'm not sure. To me he looks more like a secondary player vs one who drives the play. He looks like he needs someone on his wing who can carry the play and generate chances. William Nylander would probably look very good beside him!!! ;^)

rf4L


Thu Oct 11 2018 7:35 am EST

E - Press boxing and benching might have a negligible impact on established NHLers...but in this case, I strongly doubt the idea is to somehow shock SHATTENKIRK into playing better...rather it's about setting a tone of accountability...and THAT, IMO, is very important when your team is filled with young players...I'm still feeling QUINN out, but my opinion of him at BU and thus far with the Rangers is he really is a no-shit coach...not a stupid mindless blowhard like TORTORELLA...but a guy who is going to call out players who aren't performing to their potential...That was one of my big beefs with AV is that he seemed to be a very hands-off coach...pretty much let the inmates run the prison...and that worked great when he had strong voices like RICHARDS, MSL, and even Dan BOYLE in the room...but the vets who were supposed to fill these voids never did...and frankly, there seemed to be a very nasty trend this past couple years of Rangers essentially mailing it in for shifts, periods and even games. Really, as a body of evidence, the disastrous playoff series against the Sens was a prime example...where I would have been liberally benching guys in the top six and top four...that sort of garbage continued through the demise last year...and if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, Quinn sees a the undercurrent of complacency this team's veteran core has fostered...and that he wants to make clear...at least to the younger kids...that it's not going to be tolerated...I mean, take HAYES for instance. Good player. Very talented...but his issue has and continues to be that he just can't put it all together to be the impact player he should be...same could be said of KRIEDER and ZIBANEJAD...I would rather him call these guys out...even if it does them no good as players...than to have the rookies end up catching the complacency with mediocrity that really became a hallmark of this franchise these past couple years.

tdchi


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:40 am EST

“Pavel has always played the right side, where he is on his backhand a lot,” Quinn said. “He’s got really good skill. He’ll be on his forehand more on the left, so he might have the puck more and make more plays. It’s something for us to take a look at.”

stevielegs


Thu Oct 11 2018 6:26 am EST

"These guys are really good players, I think sometimes they don't realize how good they can be." After practice #NYR Coach Quinn discussed raising the bar, special teams, lines and defensemen.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 11:07 pm EST

shit....I am a genius......

tradestar28


Wed Oct 10 2018 11:07 pm EST

Thu Oct 4 2018 8:16 pm EST where's Shittenturd tonight? I thought he was brought in to open the ice up for NYR......the home town discounter needs to go to the bargain bin until further notice tradestar28

tradestar28


Wed Oct 10 2018 8:54 pm EST

Does anybody have any good streams? I cannot get MGS and the NHL package blocks too many games....any help would be appreciated.

theDugster


Wed Oct 10 2018 8:11 pm EST

Hopefully persistent perimiter floaters liek ZBAD get the message wiithout the deserved benchings like Hayes and BUCH got in-game

Hospo


Wed Oct 10 2018 7:25 pm EST

"When you do stuff like that there's got to be clarity and there's got to be explanations," Quinn said. "At the end of the day, accountability and performance are what this is all about. That's coaching, in my opinion, holding people accountable but also understanding people have built up a bank account too. You don't just bench guys for every mistake, but to me the piece to it that is non-negotiable is effort. If the mistakes are made because of the lack of all-out effort then I don't care what your bank account is, you'll be held accountable." "It's about consistent effort and raising the bar."

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 7:21 pm EST

“ 00:14 • October 6th, 2018 In addition, Quinn doesn't hesitate to stop drills in practice if he doesn't like what he's seeing. He did it Wednesday, when the Rangers were working on the power play but passing the puck around the perimeter, passing up opportunities to find shooting lanes. Quinn got in the middle of zone and loudly said, "Shoot the [darn] thing. This isn't a beauty contest. Get pucks to the net." "I'm not doing it to be the big, tough coach," Quinn said. "It's more like, 'Listen, if we're going to have the success we're capable of having, this is the bar and this is what's expected.' Holding people accountable is a coach's No. 1 responsibility. "This is how I've done it my whole life. It's not like I'm coming in here changing the way I've coached. This is just how I've done it."

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 6:43 pm EST

Per Dan Rosen.... Rangers coach Quinn sends bold message by benching Shattenkirk, Hayes...."Struggling veterans among those being held accountable for slow start"....https://www.nhl.com/news/rangers-head-coach-dan-quinn-sits-kevin-shattenkirk-kevin-hayes/c-300823970

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 10 2018 4:57 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 6h6 hours ago What I'm learning at shootout practice: Don't use Adam McQuaid as one of your first 3 shooters.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 4:19 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 21m21 minutes ago "I thought we got a lot out of these two practices. Just trying to keep building and keep moving in the right direction." -#NYR Brady Skjei

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 4:19 pm EST

"All signs point to Artemi Panarin exploring his free agent options this summer, and there will be no shortage of suitors for his services".... Elliotte Friedman had a brief mention in his latest edition of 31 Thoughts.... “13. If you’re wondering who might be next to follow John Tavares’s free-agent setup, the betting money is on Artemi Panarin.” .... “Yeah, I think that everybody is kind of preparing for that,” indicated Friedman. “I think that Panarin has made it clear he wants to be in a big market, probably closer to the coasts..... “I think if the Rangers are interested, I think they’d be a very, very serious contender..... “But I know that there are teams kind of preparing for the possibility that he could have that kind of a set-up.”

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 10 2018 3:50 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 37m37 minutes ago "We’ve got to bring our best game out there to get 2 points and that's what we are focusing on right now." - #NYR? ?Jesper Fast after today's practice before tomorrow night's matchup with the Sharks @TheGarden.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 3:18 pm EST

The Sharks just beat Philly like an Alabama pitbull. They’re feeling pretty good about their play right now. Hope they don’t intend to use the New York Rangers as a chew toy. If they get the Brooklyn version of the Sharks the NYR have a chance for a win. If the Philly version shows up? They’ll throttle the NYR right out of the building.

E


Wed Oct 10 2018 1:16 pm EST

I don't think any of these guys will be benched an extended period of time, but with 7-8 defensemen, I think it's very probably that none of them play 80 games either. If they don't play it makes it that much harder to movie them... Also: DQ sounds like he hasn't made up his mind who plays and who doesn't yet on Thursday.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:49 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2h2 hours ago First PP: 77-89-93-20-36. Second PP: 13-21-23-76-72. Second unit is all lefties. 3 replies 4 retweets 8 likes Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2h2 hours ago Back at #NYR practice today. More changes, it appears. Lines the same as yesterday- 26-13-23; 89-93-17; 20-21-36, 90-72-95. But D pairs look different. 76-54 stays same, but 18 with 77, 33 with 42, and 22 with 44.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:48 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie From way NYR skated today, it appears as if Pionk will join Shattenkirk in street clothes tomorrow night while Claesson gets call v Sharks.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:34 pm EST

E: I don't disagree. My point is there are potentially 3 veteran d-men who may need this treatment. One is bad enough in terms of potentially causing a distraction, but 3? And make up salary wise 3 of your top 4 d-men? I think if all 3 continue to struggle it's gonna become very messy.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:02 pm EST

RF: I think benchings of professional hockey players has limited effect in my observations. Yeah it works on a younger kid that’s learning. But a 28-year old after a while has no effect. A pro knows what is needed. You don’t get their attention that way for an extended period of time. You ask them to give you what you need. If they can’t give you that then it’s not a fit. Case in point was last season. They had to scratch and waive him down to Hartford. He came back this season in much better shape and ready to go. You could argue if he’s good enough. But he knows what was expected and needed. He is a professional and when told to work on something they’ll go do it. And your roster spot is based on performance, and not as much about scratches

E


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:02 pm EST

RF: I think benchings of professional hockey players has limited effect in my observations. Yeah it works on a younger kid that’s learning. But a 28-year old after a while has no effect. A pro knows what is needed. You don’t get their attention that way for an extended period of time. You ask them to give you what you need. If they can’t give you that then it’s not a fit. Case in point was last season. They had to scratch and waive him down to Hartford. He came back this season in much better shape and ready to go. You could argue if he’s good enough. But he knows what was expected and needed. He is a professional and when told to work on something they’ll go do it. And your roster spot is based on performance, and not as much about scratches

E


Wed Oct 10 2018 10:31 am EST

E: LOL...agreed. That said, it's 3 games in. If he's still pressboxing/short shifting the likes of Hayes and Shats 20 games in I think there will be some negative noise coming from the room. That isn't to say DQ shouldn't be doing that of course if it's warranted.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 10:16 am EST

RF clearly of all things DQ gonads does not seem to be an issue. He is establishing a culture of win or off with your head. No one is immune. Now the day he scratches Lundqvist? He will rise to epic status.

E


Wed Oct 10 2018 10:13 am EST

Rhet: Exactly!! It's messy. Sather screwed up on the Staal contract and now it's starting to look like the Shat deal was a mistake. BTW, cap friendly says Shat's NMC from now until 2020 is limited - he provides a list of 10 teams he cannot be moved to. In his final year that drops to 8. Assuming that's correct, he may end up being traded.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 9:50 am EST

RF4L.... Claessen to me is only ever really going to be the 7-8 defenseman. Smith needs to play if we're going to have a chance to get rid of his contract. Shattenkirk has a NMC for this season, which means we wouldn't be able to move him until July 1st the earliest. Staal has a NMC for the final three years of his deal. We are basically stuck with him for the season. We can't buy him out until June 15th. That means if we decide Staal is done, we would have to bench him for the rest of the season. We better hope for the best with him because we don't have too many options. A buyout wouldn't be too great either. We'd be looking at a cap hit of $2.9 Mil in 2019-20; $3.7 Mil in 2020-21 and $1.2 Mil in 2021-2022 and 2022-23(plus, we still have Girardi's money on the books). There have been rumors that the NHL may allow a compliance buyout before the next Expansion Draft. That would be terrific if that did happen.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 10 2018 9:21 am EST

Rhet: The problem is more who the 8 d-men are and who should be sitting. Yes so far, Pionk and DeA should be playing. Claessen should get a turn, too. Sitting should be 2 of the 3 highly paid veterans. It's a conundrum. Does DQ have the gonads to do that? I hope so! And if it starts happening with regularity I'll bet it doesn't occur without friction being created.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 9:20 am EST

The New York Rangers being sloppy against the Leafs is a virtual guarantee. There is something weird in the water when they get together. Defense goes totally out the window. I’ll never understand it. But it’s been that way under multiple coaches for each side.

E


Wed Oct 10 2018 9:16 am EST

RF4L... Why do the NYR have too many defensemen on the team? They generally start every season with 8 defensemen. Do they need to trade at least two defensemen off the roster? Yes, but that's so they can open spots for young guys. Also, Marc Staal could be sitting just as easily as Shattenlkirk. He has been awful in the first three games of the young season. Barring some kind of renaissance, this could be Staal's last season with the team.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 10 2018 7:32 am EST

And man oh man, if the Rangers are sloppy when the play the Leafs, they'll get steamrolled. The Leafs offensively are ridiculous and once Kadri gets going (zero goals so far), it'll become even more crazy. Matthews and Reilly tied for 1st overall in NHL scoring. It'll be really interesting to see how they fare against one of the league's physical and talent teams, like Nashville and Winnipeg and perhaps Washington.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 7:25 am EST

BTW, the latest on Nash is that he still has post-concussion symptoms. If so, he should retire regardless of how he feels when they finally dissipate.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 7:10 am EST

The Rangers are carrying too many defensemen. One has to go. For me it's that simple.

rF4l


Wed Oct 10 2018 12:05 am EST

Leo... Yeah, someone needs to teach him how to work the count.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:59 pm EST

Stanton auditioning to be the Yankees "Playoff Rick Nash"?

LeoS


Tue Oct 9 2018 10:36 pm EST

Bring back Joe Girardi.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 9:14 pm EST

NASH: Barry Beck reprise.... injuries decimated his effectiveness.... a power forward afraid to go to the net is useless.... Nash became a perimeter player to avoid another injury.. can't play that way in the NHL...

schneidw


Tue Oct 9 2018 8:14 pm EST

Holy crap. Auston Matthews....best player in the NHL rigjt now.

RF4l


Tue Oct 9 2018 7:46 pm EST

RF4L.... I would imagine they would have to give up more that but I also think Skjei would be more enticing to them. He would certainly solve a need for us.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 7:36 pm EST

Rhet...Leafs will pass on that deal for sure.

RF4l


Tue Oct 9 2018 6:33 pm EST

TD.... Nash is in denial. I'm sure he'd love to get one last big paycheck, but I highly doubt it happens. He needs to retire.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 6:15 pm EST

re: NASH - My take is that the guy isn't getting the price point that he wants for the risk of suffering another concussion...so he's waiting...and waiting...and come February, he will find a contender that is making a cup run and willing to give him $4 million to round out the season...I would bet my bottom dollar that he's back in the NHL by March...Regarding what he was...YES, it's not Rick Nash's fault that he was traded to the Rangers...or that he came with a top-heavy contract...It's also not his fault that he never was the guy the Rangers thought they were getting...he was never a game-changer...always a solid compliment...but never the maestro...and it was why I was always so against the deal: He was never going to push the Rangers over the hump...The bright side? Nothing the Rangers dealt for him ended up being that one great player...probably the biggest loss was DUBINSKY, whose edge was greatly and increasingly missed...ANISIMOV turned out to be a 40-point player...no great loss...ERIXON was a bust and the first rounder the dealt landed RYCHEL, who still hasn't managed to land in the NHL for more than a cup of coffee...Ironically, the biggest part of the deal may turn out to be the third-round pick they got WITH Nash, which is the one they used to get BUCHNEVICH...The negative? The Rangers ended up making one bad trade after the next to contend with the NASH cap hit. No Rick Nash? HAGELIN remains a Ranger. Maybe CALLAHAN too...which isn't to say that they missed out on Cally...but rather I'm pretty sure Nash and the Rangers' cap situation had a little to do with them cutting and running on Cally, which in turn meant two first rounders to Tampa...and one of them turned out to be BEAUVILLIER...so did the Nash trade sink us? No. Did it propel us? No. Didn't really do anything...was kind of mediocre...just like Nash...Were I to read the tea leaves, come February, he'll sign with the Jackets and do a swan song. Playoff run.

tdchi


Tue Oct 9 2018 5:02 pm EST

Rumors going around that the Canes have offered Faulk for Nylander... Per My NHL Trade Rumors.com.... "Could The Toronto Maple Leafs Trade William Nylander?" ...https://mynhltraderumors.com/could-the-toronto-maple-leafs-trade-william-nylander/2018/10/09/

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:46 pm EST

I think the difference between Quinn and his predecessors is that it appears there is communication about what is expected and follow through when things aren't going as expected. He also doesn't seem to hold a grudge. Namest got back in the lineup after a benching. Hayes was right back in after being benched at the end of a game. And Shatt will be back in. This is n appropriate use of a roster and I think it will keep guys motivated. The problem is, he can't bench everyone and he has to use the roster he has. No problem with Quinn so far. Sure, we are 0-3, but I feel like there are strides in the right direction on many fronts.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:41 pm EST

E you lost me at totally. The only reason gaborik was traded was probably because he told talkerella fu . When Nash was expected to be their Crosby with no malkin, it didn’t work. No knock on brassard, he was a good playoff performer. Sather was so clueless, it basically took talkerella to tell him fu to get fired. They were no Keenan and Smith dynamic duo.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:39 pm EST

It's really hard to put together lines when you are basically two wingers short and have too much redundancy...The lines Quinn put together to start the season made little sense to me...some of the pairs made sense..but the 2nd winger just seemed all wrong....We'll see how this works...not sure about FAT on the first line (AV Lives!!!!)..Well, not sure you can callanything with ZBAD on it a first lien...Anyway.. and the CHYTL line..but we'll see........As for the benching of SHATT, not even close to panic..just well earned..I think Strickland, an ex-BLUES writer (maybe still is), is just taking up for old buddy Captain Kirk...

Hospo


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:08 pm EST

Stevie.... It's an especially bizarre take for a team in year one of a rebuild ....VIC... I do like the Howden line, but I am kind of ambivalent about the rest. We clearly still need scoring help. I would've preferred moving Lettieri up too, but that's just me. Is DQ planning on giving all four lines equal playing time? Zucc also needs to get going. He seems to have lost a step so far this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:07 pm EST

Stevie: totally disagree. Brassard turned into a great acquisition for the New York Rangers. He balanced out a group of centers. And lets not forget Gaborik spent half his career down for the count. There was no guarantee of him being healthy. In fact, after winning the cup on the backs of the NYR. And while he played out of his mind when he got to LA in their playoff run he sucked basically the rest of the time he wore a Los Angeles Kings jersey. Brassard had his own fair share of playoff heroics for the NYR that year and MSL played a role that supplanted anything that Gaborik was bringing. So, I would argue that losing Moore and Gaborik and whatever else it was did not harm the NYR whatsoever. And it was the first step towards bringing the NYR to that next level. Anisimov? Dubinsky? Neither one of them were really all that great.

E


Tue Oct 9 2018 3:49 pm EST

Rhet Strickland is stretching....guess he doesn't listen or believe what the coach says....especially on shattenkirk

stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 3:35 pm EST

Holding guys accountable is hitting the panic button? ....Per Andy Strickland ‏ Verified account @andystrickland ..... Is #NYR Head Coach David Quinn hitting the panic button? Benching veteran players just a few games in. Kevin Shattenkirk played a career low 7:29 in the last game, could be a healthy scratch Thursday. Already sat Kevin Hayes for a good portion of a game and scratched Namestnikov

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 2:42 pm EST

If Nash is still having symptoms, he’s toast. The next time he could be a vegetable.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 2:24 pm EST

Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline .... Per The Athletic: Rick Nash says he’s waiting for concussion symptoms to fade before he decides on his #NHL future; “There’s a chance I could get healthy, come back and be great. But there’s definitely a chance that I don’t.” #CBJ @NHLBruins @NYRangers https://theathletic.com/578915/2018/10/09/rick-nash-waiting-for-concussion-symptoms-to-fade-before-he-decides-on-nhl-future/ …

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 2:22 pm EST

Good for Quinn...Playing no favorites....Shattenkirk deserves to sit...

PJ


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:43 pm EST

Rf4l as much as the concussions I blame talkerella first for putting Nash and gaborik on the same line and then forcing the genius to trade him . They belonged on separate lines and not forced to be defensive more than offensive. Trading gaborik cost them the Cup on both ends . He helped la instead of still being a nyr to help them . One of the nyr worst moves in their history!

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:30 pm EST

So I've been working on all of the back end stuff to grade the picks for the pool and I just had a good chuckle. Through 3 games this year who do you think is the Rangers leading scorer? Is it ZBAD or HAYES? Is it VESEY or CHEETOS? Is it one of the D? Nope......it is JESPER FAST. Go JESPER!!!!!

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:27 pm EST

RHET: I took a look at the lines and you know what.....I think I like those lines. Given what the Rangers have those lines are as good as any. I really like that HAYES and MZA have been separated. They shouldn't have been together in the first place. I think SPOONER will fit in nicely with HAYES and VESEY. I like that HOWDEN has been "bumped up" and put with some guys that can score and play in the offensive zone. I don't even have a problem with CHEETOS moving down to the 4th line to play with STINKY and LETTIERI. STINKY played much better last game overall. And despite the few nice plays that CHEETOS has made in the offensive zone he hasn't been great in his own half of the ice.

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:25 pm EST

E: Sather acquired Nash to address the top end offensive go-to guy gap. Of that I've zero doubt. Impossible to say how things would have gone if he'd not started suffering from concussions but I believe it's reasonable to speculate LA/Ranger cup final would have been different if Nash played like he did the year after that (before Bogosian effectively ended his playing style for good).

rf4L


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:20 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Statement from Joe Resnick, Rick Nash’s agent, addressing speculation: “There is no truth to the tweet that Rick Nash is retiring today. Our position has not changed since July 1.”

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:17 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Shattenkirk on his likely benching: " I think all the ‘D’ have earned a spot on the roster and I’m probably the guy that needs to fight a little bit harder to get my spot back....This is probably a good little kick to get me going and get me out of this." #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:13 pm EST

Line per Cyrgalis... Vesey-Hayes-Spooner, Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Fast, Kreider-Howden-Zuccarello, Namestnikov-Chytil-Lettieri. Skjei-McQuaid, Smith-Pionk, Staal-DeAngelo, Claesson-Shattenkirk

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:11 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 6m6 minutes ago It was made pretty clear that Kevin Shattenkirk will be a healthy scratch Thursday at the Garden against the Sharks. He said he needs more "urgency" in his game, and Quinn said he needs to regain his confidence after what happened last year. #NYR

stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:10 pm EST

Colin Stephenson Retweeted Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 2m2 minutes ago Kevin Shattenkirk sounds resigned to being a healthy scratch Thursday. Quinn was noncommittal. But asked how he’s been playing, Shattenkirk said, “Not great.” #rangers #nhl

stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:10 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 3m3 minutes ago Per @bheyman99, sounds like @shattdeuces expects to be scratched Thursday night v. San Jose.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:10 pm EST

RF4L: Yep, I totally agree, and you and I talked about that BOGOSIAN incident a lot at the time and through that end of that year. NASH was night and day different after that game. For all intents and purposes it was really the end of RICK NASH as an offensive player.

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:09 pm EST

Arthur Staple ‏Verified account @StapeAthletic 8,790 announced attendance at Barclays Center today. Smallest announced crowd since #Isles moved to Brooklyn.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 12:04 pm EST

I, too, was frustrated with Nash the past few years - but we have to remember his concussions. Had he stayed healthy and been able to play his previous-to-Rangers-acquisition style of offense he would have been something special. Kind of like I would have liked to see what would have happened to Mickey Mantle had he not had the 1951 knee injury (though the Mick still was extra special even with the bad knees).

Ranger47


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:59 am EST

Vic et al: I've posted about this numerous times: Nash suffered 3 concussions after the Rangers acquired him. The first was during the lockout - it was never really talked about but he came home early from his time in Europe amidst rumours he'd been concussed. Then for sure in that game against Boston courtesy of Lucic and McQuaid and then against SJ from a relatively non-violent hit from Brad Stuart (it was cheap but we've seen far worse hits with less a negative outcome). Nash played tentatively for a long time after that (including that long PO run). Then in the only year he actually produced as he was paid during his Ranger career (the season following the long PO run), he was dynamite and playing like he did as a BJ. Until, in February of that year, Bogosian pummeled him in the Sabres crease that resulted in a mysterious neck injury that likely was a concussion. He had something like 38 goals up to that point (cruising to 50+) and scored like 4 after (and another measly 5 in 19 PO games. He's been that way since. Now he's retiring? I don't blame him - if he cannot and will not play to his strengths because he fears for his long term health, he should play at all. It's the right thing to do without a doubt. What would be nice, however, if he acknowledges all of this - it'll help shed more light on the concussion issue.

rf4L


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:56 am EST

E - I dont blame any player for getting every penny they can..That's the team's choice to pay...And while you and I might feel that way..NASH was paid the way he was to be a top notch scorer..The Rangers gave up their players/picks for a top notch score....and he was..He just lost it..Yes he turned himslef into a good two-way player becasue he could no longer be that top notch scorer.This was also a player that could help the Rangers..but not the player they really needed or expected....again the team's fault and bad injury luck...Still, it's not unfair to think what could have and should have been if NASH remained the player they acquired and had for a few years instead of dropping off exponentially offensively..

Hospo


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:47 am EST

You can pay whatever. I don’t blame Nash for taking money. After all, lots of bad contracts get put out. And I won’t deny that there could be a connection between concussions and production. Hades knows that once upon a time Nash crashed the net with authority and scored a lot off the runs. And that he had a penchant for scoring some awesome goals. But I never saw a guy who scored between 30-40 goals per average as a “superstar.” I though we were getting an excellent hockey player. I’m also a guy that believes salary and on ice performance are not inextricably linked. In the macro? Sure. But come the game? A player is what he is. I think that the NYR knew what they were getting and let’s recall that he did have a limited no trade clause so if they decided that it wasn’t working and the value didn’t exist they weren’t SOL. I also think players evolve and change. Take Karlsson. When he entered the NHL, he had no use for being an actual defenseman. He just got the puck and took off. As he grew he realized that he needed to play defense. So, he might’ve sacrificed some offense but he turned into one of the upper echelon defenders in the league. He is now a complete defenseman in all facets of the game. So, in some ways Nash was also this kinda case. He became the complete player. But strangely I never had any confusion about what kind of player Nash was. And in most ways he delivered on the ice. Yeah, I wish he scored more in the post season. He definitely was the New York Rangers version of Marion Hossa. But alas we all see it the way they want it. But, I still contend that salaries and on ice are totally irrelevant come game time. It’s management. Who’s fault is it if management gives out the big money or takes the contract with the big money? Chalk that to bad scouting. Just ask Smith?

E


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:41 am EST

RF4L - Wow, even if it only holds for practice..Shatt has earned it and good move by Quinn..Not fooling around and sending messages..gotta love it

Hospo


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:22 am EST

Looks like Shattenkirk has joined Claessen on the 4th d-pairing....

rf4L


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:05 am EST

E: NASH was supposed to be the game breaker that you put other guys with, not the other way around. He was paid like it and was expected to BE that guy. Maybe he was when he was young. But when he got to the Rangers and suffered those two quick concussions he was never that guy from there on out. Maybe he never would have been either way. But absent any way to know my conclusion was and is that those concussions effectively ended NASH's career as a dominant go-to scorer. He still scored goals from there on out but he was never the same player. If you watch his highlight reel clips from his years in Columbus you will see a much different guy then the one that wore a Ranger jersey.

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 11:04 am EST

E - The thing is, NASH was that goal scoring dynamo for 5 years for CBJ and let's not forget he scored over 40 goals for the Rangers in 2014....After that, his offensive game fell off the cliff...be it injury (likely) or whatever..And in the world of what have you done for me lately, that is what people remember...yes, he played a very, smart, responsible 2-way game for a long time but it's the lack of offense that will be remembered because of what he did before and the price in players and money...Both fair and unfair..

Hospo


Tue Oct 9 2018 10:42 am EST

Guys like Rick Nash and Nick Lidstrom would be featured in my hockey fundamentals video series. Rick Nash will ever suffer from some NYR fans. He was supposed to be the superstar goal scoring dynamo. Instead he gave us an under appreciated (for some) run in competent and dependable hockey for what? 6 years? I thoroughly enjoyed watching him play although I wish his offense could’ve been more consistent. I never worried about his play when he came over the wall. If only the New York Rangers had a real game breaker to put with him. Something he never had in a New York Rangers Jersey.

E


Tue Oct 9 2018 10:21 am EST

Don't understand the hubbub about Mittlestadt..Just another prospect that means nothing to the Rangers.We got our own prospects to worry about...TDCHI/RF4L - Totally agree with you on the 7-D..makes zero sense so early in a season where wins mean little...Go with the six and rotate/sub based on merit..simple as that..otherwise, it's making a chaotic scene more chaotic as the team trys to learn a new coach, a new system, and themsleves (i.e., do they have it in them to play harder).....Take Littieri for example, if you want to know what the kid has and what he can do game in and game out, he should have been in there against the Sabres. not sat for a D-man (another non-McLeod forward I can unbdestand)

Hospo


Tue Oct 9 2018 9:48 am EST

RHET: I thought NASH retired from the NHL years ago..;-)

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 9:43 am EST

Rumors spreading Rick Nash will announce retirement from hockey.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 9 2018 9:39 am EST

Going with seven D - Just so damn stupid. If DQ thinks that's a good idea going forward, that's strike one in my book.

tdchi


Tue Oct 9 2018 9:38 am EST

Vic - I wouldn't disagree with any of that. I reserve my super-sarcastic tone more for the know-it-all fans on Twitter that were going ballistic when ANDERSSON was demoted, using the simple act as foolproof evidence of MITTELSTADT being the almighty heir apparent to Wayne GRETZKY...Don't get me wrong: The kid has great tools. He's got skills...and I'm pretty sure he'll be a 50-60 point player...Where we disagree is I don't think he's a franchise player...nevertheless, the proper direction for Mittelstadt was to let him skate another year in college...maybe two...I think his main problem now is size...he doesn't have the frame to play his game effectively in the NHL...and were I to guess, the Sabres got a little caught up in this kid's hype...it was really stupid to make him turn pro and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in juniors at some point this season...nevertheless...my point, if I have one, is that the way the Sabres are developing Mittelstadt is a good reason why their franchise is mired in the drought that it's been...Both Sam REINHART and Alex NYLANDER were rushed along to their detriment...The latter especially...What the Rangers did with Andersson was right for his development, even though some fans just can't see a demotion to the AHL in any sort of positive light...if Andersson was, say Steve FOGARTY and had the camp that he did, he'd be on the Rangers right now...the fact that he's in the AHL is that the Rangers think he's got another gear to his game...conversely, the fact that Mittelstadt is in the NHL has nothing to do with his readiness. It's a marketing gimmick by the Sabres that stands a very high chance of blowing up in their face...If he had come from juniors, he would be back there by now...but instead he came from the NCAA and can't go back there or to the AHL. So he's stuck in Buffalo playing bottom line minutes. And not doing it very well. He has moments. Certainly in that game against the Rangers, he looked good on the powerplay...but you can't get a guy 10 minutes of special teams play...and you wouldn't want to with a kid like this anyway.

tdchi


Tue Oct 9 2018 8:51 am EST

Rf4l I think he should keep rotating. Claeson should play Thursday. If he goes with 7 d , he still should have a 4th line either with the d man or double shifting forwards. He’s having the same hard time as Assvipe did with these players especially to start the season with his system. If he’s lucky he’ll have it figured out by game 20 .

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 8:44 am EST

TD: I've had some fun poking you about MITTLESTADT, especially because you are so anti CASEY. Since the Rangers were playing the Sabres so early in the season I decided to watch him closely in the game to gauge where he is at. His assist on that first goal was a HAYES-like beautiful setup. He drew two guys to him on the boards and then made a sweet behind the back pass to a Sabre in stride for the 2 on 1. Sure it helped that they had too many men on the ice but that doesn't diminish the play CASEY made. The rest of the game.......my impression was that he isn't ready for the NHL. Its not that I think he is too small or physically incapable of handling it. He is big enough already but a year or two more physical development would certainly benefit him. It wasn't that he was trying to do too much with the puck or force things. He really hasn't even reached that stage yet. No the issue was that he just looked lost a lot of the time. Behind the play in the offensive zone, NZ or in his own end. It looks like he isn't thinking the game fast enough yet, or more accurately he is thinking the game too much instead of instinctively knowing where he should be and where his teammates are. So why is he in the NHL? I don't know for sure but I would guess that the Sabres didn't want to send him to Juniors for a few reasons. It looks like they aren't trying to rush him from the standpoint of having him play major minutes on a top 2 line. He is playing as a depth player right now and they are limiting his minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if they are just trying to work with him to get him to develop into a 200 foot, two way player and feel that they can do that better with him every day in Buffalo. If they send him to Juniors he is going to be the stud on whatever team he plays on. He will be the big offensive guy and maybe that think that would be worse for him in the long run if he doesn't develop the other half of his game. If they can develop MITTLESTADT into a point producing two-way center they will have something special in Buffalo. EICHLE and MITTELSTADT could be their one-two punch like a CROSBY-MALKIN or a McDAVID-DRAISAITL. Only time will tell if they are making a mistake keeping him up.

Vic


Tue Oct 9 2018 7:23 am EST

So does DQ go with 7 d-man against the Sharks? I hope not - I think it's dumb because it disrupts the flow of the game for both the forwards and the D. Regardless, who sits Thursday? Is Claessen gonna stay in the pressbox until/unless injuries start? IF not, who sits? I doubt it's DeAngelo. If DQ goes back to 6 d-men, that question gets doubled. Will he pressbox any of Smith, Staal or Shats? This is potentially shaping up to be quite messy and DQ's first real test as a coach IMO.

rF4l


Tue Oct 9 2018 4:17 am EST

Newsday “Three games into an 82-game season is way too early to get overly concerned about results, even if the three games played have all been losses. David Quinn’s team will win a game, eventually, and maybe even two or three in a row, at some point. So this is no time to overreact. Quinn is clearly still trying to figure a few things out about his team, which would explain all the changes the coach has made early on, searching for a mix that works. ”

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 9 2018 1:27 am EST

E - I'm not foolish enough to think that the Rangers will make any moves this month...There is a HUGE adjustment period when you have a new coach...and QUINN is no AV...so slack will be cut...lessons will be learned...0-3 to start? It hurts, but it's not unexpected...My point, however, with SKJEI is that the left side of our D is a strong suit. You're in dreamland if you think STAAL is being moved...and I would be floored if there's a team that will take SMITH without essentially getting bribed...Skjei, as you point out, is a very affordable left-side D option and a guy who has held down a top-four position since breaking into the league. Do I want to lose him? Nope. But if there's a place in the lineup that is essentially replaceable, it's his. HAJEK could be promoted tomorrow, take SKJEI's spot and the would be none for the worse. And if Skjei gets you a guy like NYLANDER? Tell you what: Start those talks IMMEDIATELY. With all the lefties coming into the mix...I don't think losing Skjei would be a problem.

tdchi


Tue Oct 9 2018 1:19 am EST

The indomitable Casey MITTELSTADT racked up a line of zeros in the Sabres' win yesterday, winning a solid ZERO faceoffs while holding down third line. He now has one assist on his way to the hockey hall of fame. For those of you taking notes, this is exactly how you don't develop a hockey player.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:45 pm EST

E - I agree he has the talent, but that's only half the battle..I hope you are right, but I have only seen him playing bigger and harder infrequently...We'll see

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:07 pm EST

HOSPO: going back to preseason, I see Buchnevich has grown quite a bit. He is managing to put himself in good positions to make plays and he has been far less gun shy to shoot the puck. Something that was just lacking. The way he is playing you’re gonna see some sneaky goals starting to be scored. I think they may get 25-30 out of him this season. IMO, nobody has more raw talent on the team currently. He’s gotta fulfill on those steps.

E


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:02 pm EST

RF4L - Yeah, but that's only true if Gordo and the Rangers screw up, if they do soemthing right, Nob has nothing to do with it..

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:55 pm EST

Hospo: Unless Nob for Life is in the background pulling strings...

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:10 pm EST

RF4L - We go plenty of more important things to worry about than Sather's demise..namely Gordo the CLown and his "team building"

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:03 pm EST

2040? Probably if Nob for Life lasts that long suspect howrver thst I'll croak before then...

RF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 7:52 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paeLeZg-mng

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 7:51 pm EST

At least we have 1994: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7djSloJyUM

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 7:26 pm EST

So the plan is for the nyr to next win the Cup in 2048 to make 54 years their lucky number. Or maybe 2040 to go with 1940.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 5:39 pm EST

Joey Keane's a RHS Defenseman !?!..... nice....https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/201468/joey-keane

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 5:32 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Your #NYR Prospect Three Stars of the Week: ....1. Shesterkin: 2-0-0 record, 0.50 GAA, .978 SV% and one shutout. ....2. Kravtsov: two points (1G, 1A). ....3. Keane: point in all three games he played during the week (1G, 2A)

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 8 2018 5:28 pm EST

VIC: 5-7? Not me either... That's why I want to tear this house down to the studs, accumulate picks, bundle for better draft positions, and spend to the max in the UFA market.... Afterall, it's only Dolanopoly money! ;-) 5-7 years https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98qw86DsdZ0

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 5:10 pm EST

VIC - "But I'd even take 5 to 7 years of abysmal suck with the chance to possible come out the other side with the talent to win multiple Cups then see them ice a good team that usually makes the playoffs for 25 years but never wins a Cup."..hmmmmm.....Not me........ but, to each their own, and i mean that in a friendly way...So many IFs on both sides of the ledger..the 5-7 years of suck could lead to a cup contending/winning team or it could lead to 20 years of nothing.....and always trying to ice a good team in the present could lead to a cup with a hot goalie/trade and everything right or it could just lead to many years of medicore hockey and never being quite good enough...as we have seen....Personally, I'll take good competitive hockey when I can get it and rather not spend years excusing a crappy team becasue they are young and MIGHT be something after i'm dead...But, I get the other view point also..there is the allure and logic of growing a team from the basement up with the hekp of MAYBE getting a franchise player in one of the drafts. and being patient with kids....Personally, I hope the rangers combine a little bit of both after they find out what they really have in their young vets, kids, and even the caoch...Not this year, but maybe next..

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 4:18 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 5h5 hours ago Tick Tock: Quinn doesn't waste any time holding Rangers players accountable early in winless season #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 3:37 pm EST

STEVIE: I've got no problem with the rebuild. As long as they don't try to do another "competitive rebuild". If they do they are going to be right back where they were. A good team that lacked the top end talent to win a Cup. I'd rather they just suck for a few years, grab top end talent, and then start building back up. No guarantees of course. So many people like to point that out. But I'd even take 5 to 7 years of abysmal suck with the chance to possible come out the other side with the talent to win multiple Cups then see them ice a good team that usually makes the playoffs for 25 years but never wins a Cup.

Vic


Mon Oct 8 2018 3:27 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 7h “We’ve got to combine the good game offensively with the good game defensively.” - #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 3:11 pm EST

Vic the so called veterans are struggling, but the 82 games were always preseason the last few years. I think Quinney will right the ship . Even if he has to get fishboy to throw a few overboard. They have to have patience, something nyr fans usually don’t have. That’s part of the reason some say you can’t rebuild in ny. When ticket exchange has too many unsold and prices way below face value, and the no shows are high , the owner might get panicky .

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 3:00 pm EST

STEVIE: That is pretty much the way I look at it as well. If they turn it around and somehow make the playoffs in this year with the young talent rising to the top then great. If it blows up and there is another selloff on their way to a bottom 3 finish then "Lose for HUGHES". Either way it is just a step along the way to getting this team where it needs to be.

Vic


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:46 pm EST

Thanks so they are on the same road right now. Sit back and try to enjoy the ride. Let fishboy and the mighty Quinney pull their hair out and do their jobs.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:44 pm EST

BTW, I also did not separate OTL's from regular losses.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:42 pm EST

Stevie... We were 1-7 in our first eight... 2-8 in our first ten. 9-11 in our first 20 games thanks to a six game win streak. It helped counterbalance a five game losing streak.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:38 pm EST

they had just 2 points their first 6 games....

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:37 pm EST

stevielegs: I just looked....they started 2-6-2 and after 20 games were 9-9-2.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:24 pm EST

what was the nyr record last year in the first 10 -20 games ?

stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 2:20 pm EST

Islanders taking it to the Sharks 3 0. Lehner very strong in the net and very good forechecking by the Islanders. Sharks won't be haopy when the arrive in New York.

RF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 1:32 pm EST

E - Buch has one good game and he's stepping up? outside the PP he was useless the first two games....But that inconsistnecy has been his calling card like so many Rangers..let's see him and the others put consistent efforts in on a nighlty basis...So far, it';s been VESEY, HOWDEN FAST and maybe even CHYTL as he leanrns..The rest of the guys still havent gotten it, if they can

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 1:13 pm EST

I'm no expert, but I don't get all the praise for DeAngelo from last night. Yes, I did see some good things at times, but I believe I saw him whiff on the puck a couple of times and give it up (once leading to a goal, I believe) and on a couple of other occasions saw him cough up the puck when only mildly hounded by a forechecker in the D zone. Not that I wanted to see more of Shattenkirk!

Ranger47


Mon Oct 8 2018 1:01 pm EST

Getting good young defenseman who aren’t making 6+ million per? I mean what is he? 3 years in? With his 3 zone skills? I’m not quick to see him go anywhere.

E


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:58 pm EST

TD: it’s waaaaaaaay to early to make conclusions about what this team will be. I see a lot to like. They’re competitive. But new game plan, inexperience, and in the case of last night goaltending woes have become issues at times. They’re no contenders but I’m not looking to the future for futures sake. They are incorporating solid defensive assets with veterans most of which are younger and long term. And the short timers are likely on the move to stack up picks for another draft. And I am optimistic that a good UFA signing is to come next summer. Right now, they look on track to me. My expectations was a difficult season building for the future and next season this time you have a pretty solid playoff team that’s close to being able to go beyond the first round. Then who knows? Right now? I’m all kinds of status quo. Until I see what we have at least. We’ll know by 20 or so games where they are. Right now? Vesey and Buchnevich look to be the two guys who are taking a step to the next level. Looking to see who else is gonna step up.

E


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:43 pm EST

So I caught the Hartford game yesterday and MAN what a difference does a year make. The team has made some mighty fine strides...just solid from the top down...and here's the HUGE difference in the Pack right now: They get a lead and that's it. They shut it down. I didn't see the Boston game and I was a little surprised to notice they gave up two third-period goals...they played the Habs farm yesterday...Habs had the first goal...Pack basically went nuclear on them. Bam-bam-bam. Three goals. 3-1. And that was it...big difference in the team is that they have have an incredible D...DAY continues to get action, while other veteran Pack D get press boxed(CRAWLEY and PEDRIE)...looked pretty good yesterday...MESKANEN and LINDQVIST both had goals...ANDERSSON had a helper...guy to really keep watch on at this point is GETTINGER, who had his second point in as many games. Pack are very good this year...and part of that equation is certainly HAJEK. Man, is it nice to have a guy like him anchoring your D. BIGRAS is also a very nice addition...TOKARSKI too...great pickup by the Rangers...very nice to see the Pack tenders making a save here and there.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:36 pm EST

RF4L - Indeed. SKJEI is the most moveable of the eight in New York right now...PIONK being a close second...but really, the Rangers need to start to think about a spot for HAJEK...he really is an NHL-ready player(more on that in a minute)...My feeling on Skjei too is that you sell high...and right now, his stock is about as high as it's going to get. And my feeling is that we've seen what Skjei can do. I don't think he's going to magically turn into a 50-point defenseman or Norris candidate. That said, if Skjei starts the conversation for a guy like NYLANDER, then my feeling is hell yeah. Call up that petulant three year old they have in the Toronto head office. Doubt straight up gets it done...but man, would Nylander be a nice add for this team.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:30 pm EST

RDW - Don't know what LEMIUEUX would cost, but that's the type of player we desperately need. My guess is he could be had for a solid NHLer or decent prospect...you're probably looking at losing a guy like LINDGREN for him...I wonder if they would take SMITH...they might bite on a second rounder...But that's what is sorely missed from the Rangers' system at the moment...it's one of the reasons I'm a little sorry they didn't make room for ANDERSSON, because both he and HOWDEN play with an edge...HAJEK and LINDGREN too...Move SMITH, HAYES, SPOONER and/or NAMESTNIKOV...get those guys up here to play...if we're going to lose, might as well be with the future in the lineup.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:24 pm EST

mf - BOUCHARD can't go to the AHL. It's either juniors or Europe. But that's irrelevant...the only other guys on the Oilers who are AS untouchable as Bouchard are DRAISTL and McDAVID.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 11:34 am EST

RF4L - not sure that is the "real" problem...It is a problem mind you, but when your top dog 1st center and the first line craps the bed every game so far, it's kinda hard on a team struggling with depth..and the entire team is, especially the frwards, is struggling with this new defensive scheme, especially night...And, I have yet to see a game yet where the Rangers forwards put in the effort physically and in your face the way Quinn wants and talks about

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 11:26 am EST

mf: things are going well other than my fractured heel....it’s been a rough week....I like a lot of what you said there but the only issue is finding teams to play ball. Honestly I think that Smith if he can improve even just a little would be worth more than a 2nd....probably a 2nd and a mid rounder or a 2nd and a mid level prospect. I am sure that some vets will need a prospect added to facilitate a trade, and that may offset the amount of cap needed retained, so recovering some prospects in other trades may be needed to keep the pipeline balanced.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 11:20 am EST

Wild, welcome back, hope things are going well.... As for Smith IMO the better he plays the higher his trade value.... He's another guy who I'd gladly eat a small amount of salary to improve the return on trade.... He's earning $4.35mill for this season plus 2 more, so I'd be willing to eat up to $600,000 to market him at $3.75mill.... Get a second round pick for him, a 2nd round pick for N-Maastnikov, Bouchard for Shattenkirk, I'd love to move Staal (we'll see) we'll wait & see about Zucc too, but he'd fetch a 2nd rounder, so we'd have 4-5 2nd round picks going into next years entry draft, with just one year remaining of Girardi's buyout at $3.611mill. Then 3 years at $1.111 mill..... Then we bundle to try to move up in next years entry draft for another center or 2, best D'man available, and a PF,and attack the UFA market.... Flavors Du Jour are Mark Stone and The Bread Man, Panarin...... I've had enough of this rebuild

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:55 am EST

mf: And others...I think any trade of a guy like Smith will come closer to the deadline when more teams are in the mix with left over cap in order to get depth on the backend for the post season. I think at least one vet D will be moved if the kids continue to step up and depending on the going rate for D as the season moves along.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:50 am EST

RF4L: Smith hasn’t been bad...not great, but not bad. He will I think get better along with the rest of the D. This system and style are new. I think some of the issues are due to players having to think about how to play the way the new staff wants. Eventually, over the next few games, it will become more instinctual and they will be more a machine than individual parts. That will help them look better.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:48 am EST

RF: I believe that Edmonton needs to make the playoffs this year and regularly... Yakupov, Hall, RNH, McDavid, Dreiseitl, I'll throw Eberle in there, they've been through top draft picks like shit through a Canadian Goose...... Shattenkirk for EVAN BOUCHARD is where I'd start and send Bouchard right to Hartford for the season..... Do you or RHET or anyone else here know if we can take on another teams "Previous Buyout" (Like Benoit Pouliot @ $1.333 mill for this season and 2 more) to even out the Dollars? If Not, Shattenkirk is signed for this season and two more, we can just eat some salary, say $1.65mill of his $6.65mill........ Then we can trade Smith who's claim to fame is playing physical, easily replaced, we have O'Gara, and I would use Smith's spot on the Roster to give some of the kids an NHL game here and there to get their beaks wet...........

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:46 am EST

schneidw: plus minus is probably the worst stat in all of sports....I don’t recall any goals against that you could point to Vesey and pin any part of it on him. What you can pin to him was hard work, goals, near goals, and frustration from the opposition.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:18 am EST

The real problem as we've been saying, is the veteran laded defense. All of Smith, Shats and Staal are leaving lots to be desired. Staal is basically untradeable (thank you Nob for Life) and Shats, if he doesn't improve, won't be moved without taking a significant cap hit (like eating 1/2 of his salary). That leaves Smith as the only realistic possibility at this point and even his trade may result in the Rangers eating some of his salary.

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:15 am EST

VESEY: I didnt watch the CAR game but all this excitement about Vesey's play yesterday and he was -2... what gives??

schneidw


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:14 am EST

Wild: I think it's basically a given that Zuke will be traded - for me it's not if, it's when.

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:11 am EST

ZUCC: The guys still puts full effort but he looks like he is skating in mudd. Realistically as soon as one of these younger forwards can, he should be moved down the lineup. He is more suited for the 3rd or 4th line as a vet where the pace of the opposition may be lessened to his current speed and the PP when things are more static. Him playing on the top lines against top D and other top lines is exposing he weaknesses. This is part of why I was on board with shopping him in the off-season. This team isn’t cup bound...and he still has value. If enough kids are doing well and if a younger guy can step up leadership wise, we may still see him moved this season.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:03 am EST

Joey Keane update: 7 games, 2 goals, 8 points and a +9 (plus with 17 PIMs, tied for 2nd overall in the league for that stat).

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 10:00 am EST

DeAngelo: Last night may have been his best game as a Ranger, maybe one of his best ever in the NHL (of course I’ve not seen every one but he did very well). He needs to do it again however. With that someone else needs to be scratched. Shattenkirk is having it rough, I would scratch him for a game....and whoever struggles next game or the next 2 would be sat. Eventually a D needs to be moved, but I think it’s only fair to get the coaching staffs input, and camp is not games, so for them it’s only fair to give them some more games to evaluate these guys.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:58 am EST

Actually I'd prefer a first and a young physical established winger vs Nylander. Besides Nylander wants $8,000,000/year. Too much!

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:55 am EST

TD: I think Lemieux would be a good add. As you said, doesn't look like he can crack that Jets lineup. I'm wondering if he wants out at this point? What would it take to get him?

RDW


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:54 am EST

This from twitter :: Rangers goaltending prospect Igor Shesterkin (2014 Draft, No. 118) of SKA St. Petersburg (KHL) is 6-0-0 w/ a 0.83 GAA, 3 shutouts, and .966 SV% (141 saves on 146 shots) in 6 gms this season.:::: those numbers are just....I mean damn son...

Wildcard


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:46 am EST

TD: Yes 7 d-men is stupid and I posted that thought yesterday when I saw the lineup. Also, on moving Skjei but I'm assuming you're musing about that not so much because you want Skjei gone but because Staal and Shattenkirk are basically unmoveable. It's an interesting thought for sure. How about Skjei for William Nylander?!?!?

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:40 am EST

Well, I for one WAS drinking. Heavily. And after the sixth Carolina goal, I switched from beer to tequila if that explains to anyone the rest of my evening/morning went...Notes: I know coming from a guy who was so vociferous about pulling McLEOD out of the lineup that complaining about dressing seven defenders will sound hypocritical...but man...dressing seven defenders is basically like giving the other team two free goals...it is NEVER a good ideal unless the alternative is skating short one forward and/or having McLeod in the lineup...but it's just a losing proposition for so many goddamn reasons...first and foremost, you're screwing with the defensive pairings...And with a team this young, you have to keep it simple...the too many men on the ice penalties is indicative of a team that doesn't really know what the hell is going on...not sure what to really say about the rest..the game was a total mess. I'm not surprised, but after the showing against the Preds, I expected a lot more from this team...for all the bagging that NAMESTINKOV got, I thought he had a pretty good game...echo the concerns about the D. What a mess...Not sure if its even worth isolating out guys...they share that disaster. GEORGIEV didn't really help either...he was bad...I see SPOONER is back to his old tricks...the same SPOONER I was lamenting about months ago has arrived...Not that anything needs to be done now, but I would definitely make teams aware that he's available...and it's time to start moving some of if not all of these blueliners, sans, of course, PIONK, who is a gem...time to give CLAESSON a shot...I actually like DeANGELO...but who do you scratch? Again, the guy who comes to mind is SHATTENKIRK...STAAL on the left...I'll also put this out there: I would entertain the notion of trading Brady SKJEI...We are absolutely stocked on the left and he's a guy I could see bringing back a serious return...like a first rounder and a top prospect...but we shall see...I think this team under Quinn is very much a work in progress...the only move I'd make immediately is to send McLEOD onto the waiver wire and trade for a guy who will bring toughness...a guy who can't seem to crack the Jets lineup is Brendan LEMIEUX, Claude's kid...much like his old man too...he would be a welcome add...and I'm always for a dumpster dive with a couple of other legacies...RYCHEL and MATTEAU...both would be better options than iClod...that's the only move I'd make immediately.

tdchi


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:38 am EST

Mike Morreale ‏ Verified account @mikemorrealeNHL 15m15 minutes ago More Rangers goaltending prospect Igor Shesterkin (2014 Draft, No. 118) of SKA St. Petersburg (KHL) is 6-0-0 w/ a 0.83 GAA, 3 shutouts, and .966 SV% (141 saves on 146 shots) in 6 gms this season.

RDW


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:31 am EST

How bad is Shattenkirk defensively when he loses his shifts to TonyD?......That said Little Antony had a good game...He better calm down though before someone beats the hell out of him.....

PJ


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:19 am EST

CHYTIL "has" been keeping his head up, huge modification to his game..... Kid looks good, have to give OTB-Gordie props on this pick..... My untrained eye is thinking it's time to focus on becoming the stingiest defense in the league and then work in the quick breakout/transition because we're on pace for >350GA's and that aint pretty

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:12 am EST

Good morning folks.... FYI Shattenkirk leads the team with a -4, unfortunately PIONK & Zibanejad are in 2nd place with a -3.... FWIW I'm impressed with both VESEY & BUCHNEVICH... Buch certainly does not look nor is he playing soft....... I have no problem with SPOONMAN, actually like him, he brings an effort......... Ready to talk trade whenever: I'm on the bus, McCloed has got to go

mf


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:02 am EST

And Shattenkirk hasn't been a disappointment at all..He is exactly what he has been for the the blues at the end, the Caps, the Rangers..Yet Gordo thre all this money at him like he did Brendan SMith...

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 9:00 am EST

RF4L/VIC - I like Howden alot and Howden's 2-way game to compete as a 4th liner is more reaady thath CHytll..but..CHYTLL's offensive game is far more ready than Howden's and that is what this team needs...He can leant the D..being taught as the seasonn goes along...The Rangers just need to find hhim the right line mates and vets that help him, that's been a hige problem..

Hospo


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:53 am EST

Thx trade!

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:52 am EST

And gotta say while it's early, Shittenkirk is for me the biggest disappointment so far. He looks horrible and is playing like he belongs in the minors. If he doesn't right his game, what a conundrum he'll be. Do you pressbox your highest paid d-man? There's always the trade route - he has a limited NTC (10 teams he says he can't be traded to) but if it gets to that point they'll have to eat 1/2 his salary to garner any interest.

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:50 am EST

Happy Thanksgiving RF4L

tradestar28


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:28 am EST

Vic: I don't think it's surprising that Chytil isn't as ready as Howden. Howden is a year older and a veteran of like 300 junior games. I realize that alone doesn't mean anything but in then case it does.

rF4l


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:12 am EST

The bright spots so far to me are VESEY, HOWDEN and CHEETOS. VESEY has been everything I've been hoping he would develop into so far. He was snake bitten those first two games but finally got on the board last night. He has been physical, feisty and relentless. He has been skating hard and driving to the net. I don't know if he has the hands to ever be a 30 goal guy but the way he is playing he is going to get the chance to be that if he can. HOWDEN has been good. Not great mind you. But good in all three zones. He is showing that he belongs on this team and he is making plays with the puck. HOWDEN's emergence (if he can keep progressing up) will make it easier to start moving some veterans. It will probably also take away any reservation they may have about moving HAYES if HOWDEN is able to grab that 3rd line Center role and play well both offensively and defensively. And certainly CHEETOS has shown some really good play in the offensive zone. Not so much in the defensive zone and I would caution everyone to tap on the brakes a little bit with CHEETOS. He is less ready to play in the NHL then HOWDEN is.

Vic


Mon Oct 8 2018 8:05 am EST

And through these first three games I think the most disturbing thing for a lot of people is that it is the young guys that are carrying the team from a play perspective. The veterans have mostly been the problem. On D I think McQUAID has been pretty good. SMITH, SHATTENKIRK and STAAL have been awful. PIONK, SKJEI and DeANGELO (last night) have been night and day better then SMITH, SHATTENKIRK and STAAL. KREIDER was better last night but that was the first time he wasn't really invisible. And he still isn't playing to the level they need him to play. ZBAD hasn't been good defensively and has added little offensively. MZA can still handle and move the puck. But he has clearly lost a step, and isn't the same player he used to be. With his age and injury history he just isn't the same guy. That isn't his fault. It is just the way things go. SPOONER and STINKY aren't going to carry any team. They are complimentary players. HAYES has been fine but again he isn't a guy that can carry a team. So this is what you have. A collection of spare parts and some young guys with some promise for the future.

Vic


Mon Oct 8 2018 7:50 am EST

So, we are three games into the season. With the Rangers almost certainly losing the game this Thursday it will be an 0 and 4 start. Looking at the schedule for the rest of the month there are no easy games. And really for this team there will be no easy opponents this season. If they can play better defensively and start getting contributions from some of the veterans they were depending on they could start winning and end the month of October at or near .500. If not this could be one of the worst October's in franchise history. I don't think there is any start that gets DQ fired. 0 and 10....0 and 20.....doesn't matter. He isn't the problem. The problem is the roster.

Vic


Mon Oct 8 2018 3:42 am EST

Want to feel old ? ....“I waited for this my whole life,” said the 18-year-old Svechnikov, who became the first N.H.L. player born in the 2000s to score a goal.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 8 2018 12:14 am EST

Andrei - Only watched the third (17 of the 19 sucked) , so really cant comment about tonught..All I know is that of the 1st three games, the only forwards that have been mentally all in have been Howden and Vesey ..and plenty have been delinquennt much more thaan Zucc..We'll see...

Hospo


Sun Oct 7 2018 11:52 pm EST

Hospo, you still think that Zuc is having, or will have a good year? I'm not hating on guy, i just don't think he is mentally all in.

andrei


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:52 pm EST

Schneidw...yep and note evidence why it's foolhardy to trade away high picks...

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:47 pm EST

Hughes Watch: https://www.hometownlife.com/story/sports/hockey/2018/10/02/usa-hockeys-jack-hughes-viewed-future-nhl-superstar/1445201002/

schneidw


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:47 pm EST

Haha RF4L... Actually no alcohol today for me... But the dank makes me stutter!

tradestar28


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:42 pm EST

2015 NHL DRAFT: Super Deep Draft... NYRs traded their #1 pick to Tampa Bay... How the hell did this kid fall to #18 after the incredible World Juniors he had for Canada... he reminds me ALOT of Bryan Leetch... sick player.. check this out... https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/10/07/the-buzzer-toews-trick-chabot-puts-on-a-show/

schneidw


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:35 pm EST

RF4L - Sounds too cute to me for the beginning of the season..and also indicates the serious depth problems in the forward lines that Gordo put together...So how did the The Big #1 ZBAD do in the first 2 periods? He was horrible in the third and has been the first two games..Need so much more from the 1st Center

Hospo


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:24 pm EST

Hosoo. 7 d is dumb. This roster makeup hascto change soon.

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:23 pm EST

Trade...you been drinking? ;^)

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:20 pm EST

Just got back from the game..... The NY Rangers game? Nah.... The one in Charlotte between the NY Giants and Carolina Panthers..... One of the best I have ever gone to..... I am not a Giants fan... Actually hate them because I am diehard Cowboys fan.... That FG winner was unreal.... So glad I skipped the garbage in Raleigh today... Just got back from the game..... The NY Rangers game? Nah.... The one in Charlotte between the NY Giants and Carolina Panthers..... One of the best I have ever gone to..... I am not a Giants fan... Actually hate them because I am diehard Cowboys fan.... That FG winner was unreal.... So glad I skipped the garbage in Raleigh today...

tradestar28


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:12 pm EST

The only bright spots I saw in limited viewing were Vesey and Howden, good to see with the youngsters...And 7 D-men and no LIttieri/Mceod?? Bold..didnt seem to make for a coheicve defenive effort though...

Hospo


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:07 pm EST

Pretty funny..Thought the game started aat 7PM...I turned on the game and heard.."Tony Deangelo with his 2nd assist" and saw the score was 5-5 in the 3rd! wiw....The rest of third was an utter disgrace..defensive play and effort, disicpline (lack of) that rivaled the worst of last year...I'm sure there weas better stuff during the first two periods, especially offensively, but yikes...0-3 and losing to Buff and Carolina is nit very pretty..even for a rebuiiding team

Hospo


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:55 pm EST

DQ's observations amusing. Yep gotta manage the game better. And the coach has to ensure they do.

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:36 pm EST

That was some serious open ass pond hockey.

E


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:27 pm EST

Team Notes YOUTH SERVED - Nine of the 10 Rangers who registered a point in tonight's game are 26 years old or younger (Hayes, Fast, Howden, Vesey, Chytil, Skjei, DeAngelo, Buchnevich, and Namestnikov). In addition, four of those players are 23 years old or younger (Howden, Chytil, DeAngelo, and Buchnevich).

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:18 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 13m “We just have to manage the game and we didn’t do that tonight.” #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:16 pm EST

As Assvipe would always say , they need 20 games to get acquainted. Quinn needs some quinine .

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:03 pm EST

Geo didn't play well but thw defensiv3 zone coverage was horrid.

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:57 pm EST

For those of you that are worried that Georgiev might be so upset with his play tonight,that he might throw himself in front of a Bus, don't worry,even if he does,it will miss him completely. The only thing worse than the outcome was listening to the "HOMER" announcers,especially the color guy....Geez,really !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:57 pm EST

Luv ya Lou!

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:53 pm EST

Ok I will bite. Zbad for Nylander.

Jake0104


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:47 pm EST

mf..I cannot stop LAUGHING

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:46 pm EST

Always looking for something positive. Howden can play, Vesey continues to get chances and Hayes had his most noticeable game of the year. Defense was worse than last year.

Jake0104


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:46 pm EST

The NY Rangers are Quinnless 0-3

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:36 pm EST

Trade train has at least 10 nyr .... makes fishboy look smart . And he looks like mumbles from dick Tracy.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:35 pm EST

rangerlou, don't give us a stroke! ;-)

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:35 pm EST

Gonna be a lonnnnnnnnng season. SMH defense guys defense. Hank is going to need steroids.

Wiosa


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:35 pm EST

Seven Goals Against......

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:34 pm EST

Why it looks like veenyo hockey

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:34 pm EST

I am on board with the trade Zbad train

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:33 pm EST

I'm starting to miss Veenyo

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:33 pm EST

Hospo is right - Z really sucks. Zero intensity to his game. Get rid of him and bring up Lias.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:33 pm EST

Send georgieboy to Hartford

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:32 pm EST

Quinn has his greyhound bus ticket back to Boston in his hand

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:32 pm EST

I love Shattenkirk has Iona Prep ties, great to the program and good person .But geez he has been awful.

Jake0104


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:32 pm EST

Found away to lose

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:31 pm EST

The King is gonna play 70+ games at this rate!

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:31 pm EST

This is terrible

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:30 pm EST

OMG....absolutely horrible defensively. Worse than the AV days. WOW...

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:28 pm EST

Fucking shooting gallery

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:28 pm EST

1st lead for canes and will probably win this one

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:21 pm EST

Shootout at the OK CORRAL

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:17 pm EST

A defensive gem

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:16 pm EST

Well that sucked

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:16 pm EST

Namstinko no back check

Jake0104


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:16 pm EST

Walmart?

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:15 pm EST

Battle of goalie miscues

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:15 pm EST

StoneHenge, 5-4 Blue Shirts

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 6:14 pm EST

LGR Tony D

Jake0104


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:51 pm EST

What a GIFT

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:49 pm EST

Got to stop that shot... GoalieLegs coulda made that save

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:48 pm EST

Take a knee ref

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:32 pm EST

2 Butchies

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:32 pm EST

Sure looks like BuchKnish bulked up in the offseason... He's playing a much stronger game

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:23 pm EST

You think Captain Quinn is starting to miss BC yet???

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:19 pm EST

Too many men on the ice on a PP. Again? WTF?

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:18 pm EST

Good on Vesey. Now let's get Buch going!

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:16 pm EST

They should have sent vescey down or traded him based on the preseason?

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:14 pm EST

UmpireLegs: You coulda scored that goal

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:12 pm EST

Vescey Fire

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:12 pm EST

VESEY X 2

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:11 pm EST

How can a ref calling a penalty not see a high stick by the guy he’s saying was held ? Does he close his eyes when he puts his arm up ? Wafj 3 games of blatant missed calls.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:01 pm EST

mf: LOL...right. Ain't gonna happen because 1) the Oil need young d-men in their system and 2) they are cap challenged and the Rangers would have to eat like $4,000,000 of Shat's salary and they can't do that because they are about $1,000,000 under themselves. It would work in part because it's a basically a salary for salary swap. Shattenkirk looks horrible.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:52 pm EST

RF: maybe straight up for BOUCHARD, not Lucy, who scored a goal yesterday

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:50 pm EST

Wow...defensive gaffes left right and centre. So lucky it's not 3 2.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:47 pm EST

Trade Shittenkirk straight up for Lucic.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:40 pm EST

GONNA BE A LOOONG YEAR

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:39 pm EST

DQ should bench Zuke and Z for that lack of doing anything there. Just bad.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:39 pm EST

Horrid defending. Just horrid.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:33 pm EST

My God the officiating is pathetic. Rangers ripped off again.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:29 pm EST

tlats: I had mentioned that "No-Maas-tnikov" looks like he needs to be on a line where his mates do the "heavy lifting." I think that Kreider & Howden provide that for him..... jmon

mf


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:28 pm EST

Post

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:27 pm EST

Gotta hug that pat Georgie

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:27 pm EST

Shatt blows. His offensive upside pales in comparison to his defensive deficiencies

Stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:26 pm EST

Shittenkirk and Staal should NOT be paired together. I really dislike the 7 d-men thing. Just doesn't work and ruins I think the flow of the game for the players.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:25 pm EST

I think I'm liking the acquisition of Brett Howden a whole bunch!

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:21 pm EST

Looks like Namestnikov got the message that was a good shift for him and he seems to be working hard

tlats


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:20 pm EST

GOOOOAAAAALLLLLL KID ROCK!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:18 pm EST

Howden

Stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:18 pm EST

Bowden is awesome

Stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:13 pm EST

GOOAAALLL!!!!!!! Vesey

rangerlou


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:11 pm EST

Hurry trade haze and vesey now

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:00 pm EST

7d is ok the mighty Quinney has to keep rotating guys in .

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:37 pm EST

looks like 7 D for the game today...……...thoughts ?......I do know that DeAngelo needs more looks.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:23 pm EST

Watched some of the Pack game - Laval hitting them all over the place. McCarron gooning Andersson who punches him in the face twice. Phuck you McCarron you AHL lifer.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:22 pm EST

HOSPO: reality on tanking to me doesn’t mean success. Sure you could get a generational talent and that’s great. But the Sabres are gonna be pretty good maybe coming in a few seasons. But it’s still gonna be a few years of pain. So why think that’s the way to go. And then you stack all these guys and pay them max deals and end up losing them. If you can’t build a team off of top-10 picks then you suck. Bottom line. I just think if you draft well and build a team. Find your UFA’s or trades and build a winner.

E


Sun Oct 7 2018 2:50 pm EST

Blueblood....email me at jdwwdj@cogeco.ca

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 2:38 pm EST

preferably a link that would work north of the border. thanks again.

bLUEbLOOD


Sun Oct 7 2018 2:30 pm EST

can anyone kindly post a link to stream this evenings game? am on the road and cant get MSG to load via the app. much appreciated.

bLUEbLOOD


Sun Oct 7 2018 12:18 pm EST

SCREW A TANK! You tank with the wrong plyaers, you end up being the isles or Oilersv efen if you get a Hughes..These players need to get thier heads out of their asses and paly some aggressive in your face hockey rather than the perimter pranncing crao they are still playing...Once again, the Ranger games are the most boring out there..alot of physicality, hate and tenaacity in mostof the other games...But hey. we cah shoot for.LAST PLACE with ZBAD as outr leader!!!!!

Hospo


Sun Oct 7 2018 12:16 pm EST

Rf, so what? In this upcoming draft if you draft in top 5, you will get a franchise player.

andrei


Sun Oct 7 2018 12:07 pm EST

Andrie...you do realize that if indeed the Rsngers finish 31st they'll promptly lose the lottery don't you?

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 12:06 pm EST

TD: I hear you on your rant. That stated, you missed one point. That the refs skated over and warned Quinn that any retribution and they’ll lower the boom with majors. You could argue that in a preseason it’s be worth it to nail one of theirs. In the regular season? Very few refs will just let them play. I’ve noticed (reading lips inaccurately of course) refs forever warning players and coaches during emotional moments in the game. Personally? I wish they would eat the whistle somewhat because even when they make a bad call or non call and award the other team on something marginal sometimes I wish they’d just let the guys go and let them play. But going back to iCloud... he is useless. Goons that can’t play are taking up important space on the bench. Need hockey players. If they can fight then fine. But iCloud makes no mark on a game. Just a useless and pointless fight. In fact, the way he was tripped down I’d argue that he inspired the Sabres bench more then anything.

E


Sun Oct 7 2018 12:04 pm EST

A long season? This is going to be three long seasons highlighted mainly by discussions of which Ranger was concussed this week and why no one retaliated. Take heart, though. In 2022, Hank will only be, what, 87 years old? So we got that.

punchrolfe


Sun Oct 7 2018 11:53 am EST

Well, two games in, we are exactly where i have expected them to be. For everyone who thought that this team will be a decent team, fighting to make playoffs, well... Not easy to admit, but you can do it. This is going to be a HORRIBLE year. Which is why i wanted all kids to be in Hartford. Away from the main club, playing major minutes and all key role situations, WINNING.. Play Cody every game now. Play him on the 1st line, for all i care. Hope Hankie will start reconsidering at around Christmas, when the only present he would want is to get the fuck out of town. Hope Allen in ST Louis will go into his annual funk and the they become the trade partner. Hope Loungo in Florida starts showing his age, and they also become the trade partner. It is time to close the chapter and start the slow decline to bottom feeders and get what we lacked for generations. Home grown superstars that are not goaltenders!! GOD forbid we draft another franchise d-man and a franchise center. Still not convinced that Chytil's future will be at center. Kid will be amazing and together with Kravtsov, they are going o be part of the future 1st line. I think Chytil plays LW, while Kravtsov is a RW. Tank for Hudges!!! Dive, dive, dive...

andrei


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:55 am EST

Yeah, it is now run by some other idiot ex-player, knuckle dragger, to act as NHL stooge. I will only ever be surprised when thay finally do suspend someone for leveling a Rangers player. But in this current world climate, nothing surprises me and that makes life pretty fucking disheartening.

NYStranger


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:52 am EST

TD...lol...oh I figured so! The Rangers should have done the same to Eichel...

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:50 am EST

Kratsov goal and 2 points today. That boy has one helluva shot!

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:48 am EST

RF4L - The only thing you may be missing is how fired up I am right now.

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:47 am EST

I'm sorry...thinking he's still there. Who is it now, Soupy? Well fuck him. And fuck Shanahan too.

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:46 am EST

WHICH...brings me to my next impassioned subject: Can we FINALLY agree that Cody Goddamn McLEOD doesn't deter other teams from doing anything? PLEASE. Let's just roll out his body of work: GRYBA in a goddamn EXHIBITION GAME targets NIEVES' head..BLATANTLY. Mind you, I believe McZero was even on the ice when it happened...what do we get? ZERO. Nothing. Zilcho. The closest he came to getting some get-back was like four games later when he took a run at a Devil and drilled his own face into the boards...If you're the quote-unquote "ENFORCER" than fucking enforce something! They take out Nieves, then we take out HISCHIER. Go for friggin' blood...So then we come to game two of the regular season and this idiot squares off against BEAULIEU of all goddamn players...a third-string defensman who is not a fighter and who is a good 20-to-30 pounds lighter than McLeod...He loses the fight and then the Sabres are energized...and that was sooooooo much of a deterrent that 15 minutes later, BERGLUND, who isn't exactly a thug, actually targets CHYTIL's head....so what did McLeod accomplish? He showed the Sabres that the Rangers' tough guy can't even win a fight against a third-string defenseman...and shit...why not take a few guys out? And what to guess what the reaction was after Chytil's schnoze got pushed back into the rear of his skull?!? NOTHING. And McLeod was even out there in the third period. Hits? He had three. That's a hell of a lot of hits for a tough guy. I bet the Sabres were quaking in their Bauers...and man...you get a skater like EICHEL out there versus McLEOD? I never thought I'd say this about a player...but in this case, he makes a pylon look like Carl goddamn Hagelin.

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:40 am EST

TD...Shanahan?? What am I missing here?

RF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:39 am EST

Tdchi turn up your time machine, shanahan is President of the Laffs not the nhl stooge anymore

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:38 am EST

tdchi…...I'm not quite following the Shanahan reference in your post ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:26 am EST

Rhet0ric - If I'm the coach of the Rangers, I am WAR DIALING that fucktard Shanahan until he at the very least calls up BERGLUND and tells him that the next time he hits someone like that he's going to end up sitting with WILSON...I'm fucking livid. That is the SECOND one in less than a month that was 1. unpenalized; and 2. not reviewed. It's a load of horseshit that GRYBA didn't "know" he was hitting NIEVES' head and that it was an accident....BULLSHIT. Total F'in BULLSHIT. And Berglund. DITTO. This is exactly what when through that shit's brain: Screw this hotshot kid. I'm going to show him what he gets when he tries dancing into our zone. HE TARGETED HIS HEAD. Chytil might as well have been wearing a bull's eye on his face. Berglund basically pushed his nose back into his skull. Guarantee that's a busted schnoze...now I'm all for understanding that the refs can't be everywhere at once...but for f's sake...MAKE THAT CALL UP. That's what you do. Find another instance that is borderline and call it. Instead, it was the exact opposite. This league is a goddamn joke. And Shanahan can go fuck himself. He's a useless piece of shit.

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 10:05 am EST

RF: Honestly, that’s a good question. I really like a lot of the things Vesey is doing right now. He has been forceful and aggressive. And he’s constantly in the middle of scrums in front of the net. He’s getting on teams nerves. He clearly is a Quinn guy. But on the downside I have yet to see any soft hands. He is receiving passes but he had the goalie caught out of position and went over the top. (I think he broke the water bottle) shooting high. You can’t miss open shots like that and get big minutes. But from the outside he did try to drive a defender (I think it was McCabe) who managed at about 4’ from the net to tie his stick and he lost the puck. Right now he’s playing the right way IMWO.

E


Sun Oct 7 2018 9:56 am EST

TD: I saw some good passing from Shattenkirk. He had his warts but he had a nice breakup on a backcheck with numbers and he intercepted a pass around the dasher I think twice and one time made a good seam pass up to Zucchini and another time he just chipped it out of the zone. Shows me that he is seeing the game and making some good decisions on defense. Right now, I’m sure he is being told to concentrate on defense and try to limit the attempts to lug it up ice. We shall see. He doesn’t look “back” to me. Right now, I’d keep playing him. He is a vet. He knows where his game has to be. I don’t think he has his offensive instincts back yet. On the PP he definitely was making good passes. And he seems to be okay with the seemingly dynamic game plan for it. If you’ve noticed they are playing traditional 5-4 with a center in front of the goalie. As soon as the defender gets the puck they are moving to the middle and whatever way the point man goes they are putting numbers inside and setting up 2-layer screens. And the other player is playing outside to create triangles. It’s causing teams not to be able to challenge the shooter. Teams will adjust and it’s nothing earth shattering or exotic. But it’s the same PP that I see the LAK use. Even though the Kings have a slightly better defenseman at the point then Shattenkirk. But This PP configuration plays to a skill guy like Shattenkirk’s best asset. His ability to pass. And when he was playing with Buch on the outside of the triangle? They were whipping the puck around. They made the Sabres just back in and try to box the NYR out. I’ve been waiting for this type of PP for years. I just hope it starts yield some fruit.

E


Sun Oct 7 2018 9:42 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 11h11 hours ago It was telling that Kevin Hayes and Pavel Buchnevich weren't on the ice at the end. "Just trying to find different matchups, and a little bit of chemistry,'' Quinn said, explaining he went with "guys that were, I thought, giving us the best chance to be productive, offensively.''

stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 9:35 am EST

Rf4l I think the mighty Quinney will bench anyone who is not skating hard . No effort no ice time. Purple haze, kid k, Butchie were all given splinter time. iCloud under 6 minutes is not better than playing Namesnikov who at least is on the pk . The coach has a tough job getting through to these rich guys versus hungry college kids. He should try Keenan kovalev punishment. Stay out there for 2 minutes and beg to get off the ice. The nyr not going after the guy who gave turtle the head shot or anyone else is not in your face hockey. They need to be a lot more physical. So far they still think they are the Harlem globetrotters of hockey. It’s hard to get the stench of Assvipe off .

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:51 am EST

stevie: NOte that this comment is coming without the benefit of seeing the game but I'd like to see Howden moved up the lineup. Try him with Vesey - he and Vesey looked good together in the final pre-season game. I also think it might be time to break up that 'number 1' line. What would a line of Howden, Vesey and Buchnevich look like I wonder?

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:48 am EST

Joey Keane update: He's 1-6-7 in six games with a +7. Nice start.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:46 am EST

Oh and the puck came out to the very high slot and Hayes put in a half effort to get it. Geesh.

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 8:44 am EST

Didn't see the game but just watched the highlight across the crease throw my stick away while I'm doing it save from the King. Magnificent. The opposite of that save? Kevin Hayes weak stick checking attempt not once but TWICE against Sabres along the boards that helped set up the scoring chance. Absolutely horrible defending there on his part. Perhaps that's why he was benched? I hope so because that's the sort of message DQ needs to send to his veterans who are supposed to be leading the way. For those who didn't see it or cannot recall, here's the clip: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/lundqvist-channels-inner-hasek-superb-pad-save/

rF4l


Sun Oct 7 2018 7:54 am EST

TD.... Nothing has changed. Wilson got the 20 games because it was his 4th suspension in 105 games. It's business as usual for these guys the rest of the time.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:50 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 8h8 hours ago “I thought we played pretty well...but there’s a difference between playing well and playing winning hockey.” - #NYR Head Coach David Quinn

stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 5:04 am EST

Rf4l so up is down , lose is win... that means play your worst players and line combos. I think the mighty Quinney needs to rotate his 8 d men after today. If not today. 2 games in a row the officials missing calls and calling icing when it was not. In preseason they called wind penalties, which was absurd. They need a 5 th off ice official to keep them honest and competent.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:54 am EST

“Cody had a good camp, he played well, and I think he will bring a little more pace and energy to the group,” Quinn said prior to the optional morning skate. “This will give him a chance to continue to build off his camp. Vladdy and I had a good conversation. He’s still fighting his way through it.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:50 am EST

The Sabres had too many men on the ice on Connor Sheary’s first-period power play goal, as acknowledged by the winger, himself. “What’s that they say?” coach Phil Housley asked rhetorically. “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 4:49 am EST

“I think it was a hit to the head,” Quinn said of the unpenalized check below the Buffalo goal line. “He didn’t have the puck and he hit him in the head.” There is no indication whether the Department of Player Safety will become involved for any supplemental discipline. Play on.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:38 am EST

re: BUFFALO - Just HORRENDOUS officiating. Not sure how WILSON sits for 20 games...yet now we've seen opponents target Rangers' heads TWICE and both times didn't yield as much as a minor...said my part about McLEOD already...Think maybe it's time to let CLAESSON get a rip...I gotta say: I DO like McQUAID back there...which is a bummer, because I'd like to see DeANGELO get in...sad to say, the guy I'd sit would be SHATTENKIRK...remember folks, in the modern NHL, your offense starts with your defense. If the Rangers' offense is stalled, let's look back to the guy who is supposed to be the quarterback on D...It's the second game and I imagine Shatty will come around...the team itself will come around...sucks to start 0-2 and to lose to a trainwreck like the Sabres...but...well...nobody should be altogether too surprised...Generally speaking, we lost that game to Jack EICHEL. That kid is really coming into his own. He's really overshadowed by MATTHEWS and McDAVID...but Ike is a hell of a player...Hall-of-fame center Casey MITTELSTADT got himself his first point of the season, though it was on the PP and he was pretty invisible the whole game...Man, what I would give to have RISTOLAINEN on our blueline...I can't remember where, but some superfans were blasting this guy saying they can't wait for the Sabres to ditch him...I'd take him on our blueline any day of the week...just a really tough, ass-kicking blueliner who is just gifted on offense. Trade ya' Shattenkirk straight up?!?

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:26 am EST

RF4L - Didn't see the Pack game, but looks like they did real well. The P-Bruins are a very good team. Interesting...Ty RONNING was scratched. So was CRAWLEY and PEDRIE...looks like they tried to blow it in the third...but good for them...Gonna watch today's game.

tdchi


Sun Oct 7 2018 3:23 am EST

Step - Sorry man, but even RINALDO is a better option than McLEOD. Rinaldo, who is a talentless piece of shit who generally is more of a liability on the ice than not, can actually skate. McLeod can't. He's an anchor on any line that he skates. I don't have any issues with having grit in the lineup. But if you're going to get someone to stir it up, at least get a guy who can move his ass or can score an odd goal. Waiver wire was littered with those type of guys a few weeks ago...And I'll point out too: McLEOD was ON Nashville. They actually replaced him with Rinaldo. There's just no upside to him. He may be the best, most enlivening voice in the room...great. Make him a coach. On the ice, he is a liability that brings his line and his team down. BEST CASE SCENARIO is that he gets his useless fight out of the way early, sits in the box for five and we double shift a talented wing on that line.

tdchi


Sat Oct 6 2018 11:04 pm EST

Good news: Rangers last overall!!

rF4l


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:24 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/06/how-leafs-boss-shanahan-is-conveniently-ignoring-history/

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:24 pm EST

Newfie - I agree with you..but I have been wrong before..and the Rangers need it

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:24 pm EST

Newfie - I agree with you..but I have been wrong before..and the Rangers need it

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:22 pm EST

Hospo…..I'm sorry but this "offensive game " of Shattenkirk is not gonna happen.…it's not just gonna come around.Nothing he does on the ice that I can see is actually helping this team move forward.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:19 pm EST

Now you're talking STevie!

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:10 pm EST

Ok it’s official nyr suck , Fire Quinney, Let fishboy reboot again... forfeit tomorrow... or wait for one win and see if they gain some confidence....

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:59 pm EST

NCRannger - Shatt has been bad defensively for awhile and despite the "home town discount" he was a silly signing...Still, if he can play passable D and find his offenive game he could be helpful..Just not holding my breat..The effort to skate and not give up is there..I just dont think to many of the players really have it in them to play "in your face" and "be relentless physically" like WUinn wants...Still too may pretty boys that like the pretty plays..and passes..HOWDEN is a breath of fresh air

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:52 pm EST

I agree with you on many of these fronts...Shattenkirk blows(talk about another shitty d contract, sheesh), Nobody can finish, really taking a liking to Howden, etc. Cyhtil oozes talent but needs to be a little more in ice aware at times. Seems like he's a bit aloof. But has loads of potential. Hope a concussion doesn't apepear ina day or two...that was a heavy high hit to the head. That should bring a suspension imo. McLeod blows too...tdchi is right...absolutely useless. Will be interested to see how long Hank can take the losing. I do like how Quinn is changing the culture around here... it sure what got Hayes grounded. Oh and one last thing...Miller for Name made me cringe at the time and still does. Miller would have thrived under this regime...the exact type of player that Quinn likes. Maybe the brass believed Howden would provide a wash

NCRanger


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:48 pm EST

although they did use their speeed a little better than agasint Nashville, I thought most of the forwards played another meek perimiter "not in your face"...Still, I was amazed when i looked at the stats and saw that, beside Mcleod and Littieri, the Ranger forwards accounbted for 4 hits (Fast andKrieder, that's it)...It's one thing to lose. and they are going to..but they need to put in the dirty work and physical effort nigth in and night out..Just look at what two chaotic basement teams like Ottawa aand MTL did tonight by doing it....get them in line QUINN!

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:36 pm EST

BTW, does the Post game show feel like a wake or what? MSG is seriously going with this crap for the whole year?

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:33 pm EST

Same extact chance as Shittsburg, and we drafted 16th?

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:20 pm EST

Rhetoric: No Doubt!!! I have long forgotten the details but didnt the NYRs have a high chance of landing Crosby in a draft??

schneidw


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:20 pm EST

The Rangers really must have wanted to rid themselves of JT Miller to trade him for Namestnikov.

Bob


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:19 pm EST

Some thoughts………………..Hank was very good,can he keep losing like this without losing his top ? Shattenkirk is a bust ,not worth the money, must be a good leader in the room cause he sure doesn't do it on the ice. Don't understand the purpose of the McCleod fight. This Howden kid is for real ,a keeper. Andersson will be up sooner than later.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:16 pm EST

NYStranger - I hinestly did not see much phhyicality or the "in the face" element QUINN was begging for..In spots, yes, but not fr most of the last 40 mins...especailly form the first line....Speaking of the 1st line..ANd it's not just becasue of the first tow games, just think Quinn has the lines bass ackwards...hopefully he revaluates keeping Buch-Zbad-Krieder together and moves one f them down to play wth Chytl or Hayes...and/or move Zuc up with CHytl...

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:14 pm EST

Agree Hospo, for a team that is underwhelming in talent, they have to give an exceptional effort to have a chance each night. And while the team is not mailing it in at all, they are not showing that something extra that will be needed night in night out. Plus many of the vets are not playing close to top form. Might take them ten games but by then the team might be in a huge hole.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:06 pm EST

Didnt see the first period..but except for a nice push at tines in the 3rd, pretty lame performance team-wide agiven who it was agasint ..2nd game in a row I saw nothing from the vaunted 1st line at ES (1 good chance by buch)..all three to blame...Scary moment with CHYTL again..glad to see him back..Kid can be dangerous offensivley if he stays healthy!. So, What did HAYES do to basically get benched (playing with Littieri/Mcleod and then nothing)..Didnt see anything obvious..or mabe he just wasnt giving the effort Quinn wanted?.....On the bright side...HOWDEN..very good night again for the kid..good simplev2-way player and goes to the net..

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:04 pm EST

Gonna be a lot of games like that this season. Rangers cannot score.

Bob


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:58 pm EST

Hutton was good but we have no finishers.

Jake0104


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:55 pm EST

I can't lie, Hutton was pretty terrific, though we could have made it a bit tougher on him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:54 pm EST

Played hard but no finishers! Can’t shoot the puck in the ocean. It has to get better than this.

steve443c10


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:54 pm EST

I'm guessing GEO goes tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:54 pm EST

Well we lost to Hutton......our guys had plenty of chances but couldn’t solve him. Hopefully a win tomorrow. Like Howden.

Melvillefred


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:54 pm EST

Wasted two pretty good efforts by Hank....Rangers work hard...Very little high end talent....

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:51 pm EST

Shattenkirk blows...

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:40 pm EST

Who is JT Miller?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:39 pm EST

WIOSA... Personally, I find them much more interesting than last season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:39 pm EST

Congrats to Howden who looks like he can be a real player in this league and hopefully will make us forget about J.T. Miller

tlats


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:38 pm EST

Tie? We wish!

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:37 pm EST

ABOUT FREAKING TIE! HOWDY DOODY!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:37 pm EST

Howes that for Howden?

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:36 pm EST

I keep telling myself "it's youth, it's a rebuild, it's gonna take time" This is going to be a lonnnnnng season. Im probably going to be an alcoholic by January.

Wiosa


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:34 pm EST

Vesey is a whole lot of MEH.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:33 pm EST

Down 2-0 with 6 minutes left and McLeod is out there...WTF

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:18 pm EST

The fact that this team can't score can't come as a surprise, right? You all did see the stat that this team that started the season scored a total of 159 NHL goals last year, which would have been dead last, even behind Buffalo.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:17 pm EST

by too.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:16 pm EST

Good job my Shattenkirk to keep his stick up when he made contact.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:07 pm EST

With this franchise, it's more likely that we would go 0-82 and still don't get Hughes.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:57 pm EST

Wow Hayes sounds depressed as &@ck during that interview. If these 2 periods against the Sabres is any indication of the season before us, Hughes may very well be in play for us. This team just needs to begin drafting some natural goal scorers/snipers. No one can bury the puck!

NCRanger


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:45 pm EST

Shattenkirk and Smith a nightmare pairing on D.....

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:41 pm EST

E.F Hutton playing great....if we can’t score 3 on Zero.....best thing about this period is Chytil is back out there.

Jake0104


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:40 pm EST

Glad to see Chytil back on the ice.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:38 pm EST

Chytil back...Good news...

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:34 pm EST

Hospo knock yourself out just stay out of the kitchen . Going to be a long year. The surgeon general has determined the nyr could be hazardous to your health.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:34 pm EST

Except McLeod lost the fight and fired up Sabres and the crowd...Agree with TD...The guy is horrible....

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:32 pm EST

Chytil likely concussed...Of course these horrible refs miss it...Ranger shorthanded again...

PJ


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:30 pm EST

E: Pointless fight but we took the better player off the ice because McCleod is the worst player in the game.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:17 pm EST

Refs are awful again

rngrsans


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:13 pm EST

Two goals on two lousy call. Great job refs.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:02 pm EST

Spirited period by NYR, some played well but all played hard. Getting more and more excited by Chytil. Vesey needs some puck luck.

Jake0104


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:01 pm EST

I think Kreider and Buchnevich need to be split up for now.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 6:40 pm EST

Completely pointless fight.

E


Sat Oct 6 2018 6:36 pm EST

Lousy call.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 6:29 pm EST

Vesey can't bury chances...good lord. Hutton is a brick wall against the Rangers

NCRanger


Sat Oct 6 2018 6:27 pm EST

Can anyone get the puck in the net?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 6:18 pm EST

Lettieri forces a turnover and throws it blindly to the net. #8 misses and puck headed other way.

E


Sat Oct 6 2018 5:02 pm EST

STEP - Good point on Rinaldo, LV with Reaves and others

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 5:01 pm EST

STEVIE - No thanks. You're the man for that. I'll take it game be game, performance by performance

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 4:51 pm EST

Looks like DQ takes into account, effort, attitude, and being a good teammate as a factor along with skill. Unless Stinky turns those factors around and earns himself a top 6 roll, get rid of him. For the 4th line, McCleod is the better choice. We all know Stinky is the better player, but the tangibles McCleod brings, i.e., his physicality, and crashing the net, off set what we have throughout the team as it now stands. If Ronaldo can be a 4th liner on the Preds, I'm ok with McCleod on our 4th. You think Nashville doesn't doesn't have a more talented player in their system than Ronaldo ? Same deal.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 6 2018 4:29 pm EST

It’s way too early to be passing judgment on any nyr including Namestnikov. Let the mighty Quinney do his job for at least 40 games.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 6 2018 4:19 pm EST

TDCHI - As long as we are stating facts!:), Mcleod did look better than Namestnov and did make the team in the eyes of the Man in charge of the team and will be skating for him tonight..Believe me, I get your distaste for the guy, I have been know to have that for a player or two!.and I wanted nothing to do with McLeod.but he earned the job in the preseason games and, probably more likely because of stuff you and I didnt see from the locker room and practices.....There Can Be Only One!!!!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:19 pm EST

Leslie Treff ‏ @HFNYRangers ..... Rangers defensive prospect Yegor Rykov was traded from SKA St. Petersburg to HK Sochi today. It will allow him to play at the KHL level.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:18 pm EST

Re: NAMESTINKOV - the guy resigned here! If he really didn’t want to be in New York, he could have held out and gotten traded. I’m sure he wasn’t thrilled about being dealt from Tampa when he was and I’m sure he’s not thrilled to be on fourth line...but I think the real issue here is that we have a guy who simply isn’t a fourth line player. He’s just not that type of player...in truth, he and SPOONER are very similar. Need skilled players to be effective. It’s not that HOWDEN anf LETTIERI aren’t skilled...but they’re really not the type that mesh well with his skill set. I would frankly put him on CHYTIL’s line WITH Spooner.

tdchi


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:18 pm EST

IMHO, this team would be a LOT better if we still had Miller instead of Names. I'm looking forward to tonight's game. I have the impression that this yerar's team is actually better than the one which opened the season last year and has a lot of room to grow. JMHO at this point.

Ranger47


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:15 pm EST

Hospo: And if he was that unhappy he could have played his contract out and went elsewhere rather than sign a new contract.

Ranger47


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:10 pm EST

Hospo - the only thing McLEOD earned was a right to try out for the Pack. You can argue that guys like NAMESTNIKOV and VESEY didn’t play great...or that they sucked...well, they still looked better than iClod. Best...the absolute best I can say is that he earned a look in Hartford. Because there are five or six guys who are in Hartford who beat that jerk off out of a spot. He sucks. Bad.

tdchi


Sat Oct 6 2018 2:04 pm EST

E - Totally agree on the 2nd part of that post..but not about Namestnikov's "disappointment" affecting him...Maybe last year after he got traded..but not this year...after getting a raise/new contract and basically a top 9 spot for his taking...and he couldnt......didnt have it in him to play hard enough every night..but that's what he was in TB also...but there his skill (he does have that),floating, coat tail riding and staying on the outside while others did the work and generation of offense left him wide open to get points.....Anyway, does he get the message and can he do anything about it??? We'll see probably tomorrow

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 1:39 pm EST

I think that there is truth in being traded from TB to NY when you’re already an NHL player. Nemo could say whatever he might but if you were transferred from a team that looks every bit like they’re gonna have a legitimate shot at the cup to a team that just thru in the towel and decided to embark on a long term rebuild? That sucks for Nemo. So even if he could buckle down and say, “I’m a pro, I get paid, this is my job...” the reality of disappointment has to be palpable. Now, he finds himself down a depth chart on a team he never seemed to find traction with. Now he’s scratched. What a downward spiral. I just think his best reality is getting traded somewhere. Really anywhere that has a top-6 role and a style of play he is more of a fit with. I think he’s the biggest roster issue right now. I can’t wait to see the tweet when he is gone. Oh, and I can’t stand watching him load, drift, and unwillingness to get roughed up to make a play.

E


Sat Oct 6 2018 1:30 pm EST

As long as he does it to all when they show bad attitude or poor play. Stinky has two options now. Adhere or bye bye. I'm guessing the latter.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 6 2018 1:29 pm EST

Only move to make. McLeod earned it in pre-season..Name has been an utter joke so far..GORDO should have gotten a tough vet that can play during the off-season..not about knuckle dragging..just about going to the net, in your face, physical..Mcleaod will be good for HOWDEN..

Hospo


Sat Oct 6 2018 12:32 pm EST

DQ didn't waste any time making a statement. Not like they are playing Philly and need a knuckle dragger.

HellsKitchen


Sat Oct 6 2018 12:09 pm EST

Looks good on the nob...you don't work you don't play.

RF4l


Sat Oct 6 2018 12:08 pm EST

It's official. TD's favourite McLeod in and Namenob out.

RF4l


Sat Oct 6 2018 10:14 am EST

Names was not skating with the 4th line yesterday. Be interesting to see if Quinn saw what we saw and he gets Prucha'd.

HellsKitchen


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:34 am EST

TD: Let's talk about something else. LOL. Did you see any of the Pack game last night? They won! Woohoo!

rF4l


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:32 am EST

stevielegs - Yeah, iClod didn't look awful in preseason...but so did lots of guys...it's easy to look serviceable when your skating against another team's AHL scrubs. McLeod was never a good NHLer, but was able to cobble together a few decent seasons by doing what he did in pre-season, which is go hard to the net and stay in the dirty spots...but that was eight years ago...and over the past five years, he's been outright awful. And amazingly, none of the usual excuses can explain away his malaise. Like for instance: You can say he was on a bad team...but look at his numbers with the Predators! You can say he had a bad season...but his numbers have been remarkably consistent for the past five years...there's a reason he was put on waivers. I mean seriously: if you're like me and you believe in the axiom, 'where there's smoke, there's fire' when using statistics as an indicator, then in McCLEOD'S case, the saying would be 'where there are raging 900 degree flames arcing 50 feet into the sky, there's fire.'

tdchi


Sat Oct 6 2018 9:26 am EST

Namestnikov looked like he is totally disinterested in being a NYR and was pissed at Quinn when he was sent to the box after their delay of game penalty. Was on a contender gets traded to a pretender and is showing his disdain. He needs to go...

steve443c10


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:56 am EST

So the general consensus in here and amongst the media is that the Rangers while not a PO contender, they also are not a Jack Hughes sweepskates member, either. What teams fall into the latter category, besides Ottawa and Vancouver? The Islanders? The Canadiens? The Sabres? The Coyotes? The Wings? The Canes? One of the Flames or Oilers? If so then given the prognosis of the Rangers, they're in the dubious group, too. Aren't they? It'll be interesting, therefore, to see how they fare this weekend against first the Sabres and then the Canes. If all 3 times are possible 29th overall finishers, then the Rangers should come away with a couple of points....

rF4l


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:54 am EST

As anyone posted tonight's lineup

rangerlou


Sat Oct 6 2018 8:24 am EST

Tdchi iCloud looked decent in preseason. He was involved in some scoring and going to the net. I’ll leave it up to the mighty Quinney to determine his lineup. He needs to use all 23 for awhile. Most of his type aren’t very good hockey players but they did make it to the nhl. He has a role to play when dressed. The nyr need to have more role players instead of 12 tgo or quickies . I prefer the old way of 2 offensive lines, a checking shutdown line, and a smash and crash line. Probably more important than anything is the pp and the pk.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:47 am EST

Agree Td - going just by eye it looked like the Rangers were badly outplayed in the possession game against the Preds. Not sure we were badly outplayed in the toughness/intimidation department. I get the concept of having an on ice policeman for sure, even advocate it, but McC stinks not even a great fighter and what intimidation does he bring when he can barely line up a tortoise for a body check?

NYStranger


Sat Oct 6 2018 7:20 am EST

RF4L - No hate at all for McLEOD. Here's a simple FACT: HE SUCKS. He is literally the worst hockey player in the NHL. This can be statistically proven, but just watching him for a shift or two, you can see this. It is BLISTERINGLY apparent. Here's another fact: Last year, he had the worst possession metrics of ANYONE in the NHL among players who skated more than 40 games. That is impressively bad. Just look at his stats...and keep in mind, they TOTALLY comport with what I see on the ice. Starting him is essentially forcing the Rangers to double-shift a wing for half the game...and what do we get? We get the standard drop-the-gloves in the first minute of the game...and then him wandering around the ice aimlessly...being a total sink on his line...let me restate this: The Rangers do not have the puck literally TWO-THIRDS of the time he is on the ice. Folks, you don't need to be an advanced stats genius to understand that is not a good thing. But shit, everyone look for yourselves: https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/mcleoco01.html

tdchi


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:11 pm EST

Montreal Needs centers. Trade Namestnikov there.

Bob


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:52 pm EST

STEP: the hive mind was just acquiring as much in serviceable players to ice an NHL team after the deadline last season. Nemo just ain’t that good. He got put up against Spooner. Spooner is a better fit. Moving Nemo shouldn’t be particularly difficult. Should they finally admit to themselves what we are all seeing.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:35 pm EST

Us, wrong? Never!

NYStranger


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:56 pm EST

Glad to see everybody finally getting it with what was ovbious since we got him with Namestnikov..... That being said, wouldnt it be a kick in the pants if he got the message and put his skill to good use with some effort and effectivienss and proved as all wrong?

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:46 pm EST

What pisses me off about NOMAS-tikov is that he will pout and piss and moan here while playing like shit, and end up at a place like let's say Pitt were he will play with Crysby or Malkin and score 30goals. Would be typical. Either way, he has to go. In hindsight I wish we had gotten anybody else off of the TB rooster. He's a square peg trying to fit in this Ranger circle. I hate him.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 5 2018 7:48 pm EST

Stevie if 3 of those guys you listed get traded this season I would call that a great start. You still have to keep vet NHL level talent around for a rebuild so not to throw the yuts to the wolves. Get rid of any floaters and at least one bad contract and I will be happy. Anybody not buying into DQ's gameplan need to be removed ASAP and not be allowed to undermine his authority.

NYStranger


Fri Oct 5 2018 7:12 pm EST

Staal is the only one with an A home and away. He's not gonna be pressboxed anytime soon. 3rd pairing minutes for sure. BTW another stupid contract courtesy of Job for Life. Thank goodness Gotton has taken over....

RF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 6:52 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... WOLF PACK GOAL!???? Chris Bigras scores a short handed goal, Wolf Pack now leading 3-0 #PROvsHFD

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:57 pm EST

The Rangers really do need to rid themselves of Brendan Smith if they can. I suspect that Marc Staal will be bought out after the season.

Bob


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:32 pm EST

HOSPO: I’ve long since abandoned my eye test for on ice performance. And sure minutes can obfuscate shift to shift performance. That’s just the law of averages. But, stats still are empirical. And so, if you’re looking for something to confirm or deny it’s prudent to test it against the numbers. It’s not a be all and an end all but in the case of describing a loafing or slow play as portrayed, that might’ve been true for a few shifts. But also factor that timing, chemistry still haven’t materialized. That takes time. MZA had a good game possession’wise. He wasn’t on his heals all game. His line was effective. Remains to be seen on a long enough timeline if there is a trend emerging. And sometimes pass first guys change their style as they age. Not to compare him to Joe Thornton but Thornton can hardly skate anymore. Yet, no one can get the puck from him and he makes everyone a lot better around him. As long as MZA is on the ice with good possession numbers, his line will ultimately produce.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:27 pm EST

right now i don't care what fishboy does or doesn't do. I prefer no changes except for Quinn using his roster right now. i want to see the first 20 games , then reevaluate. remember they are projected to win maybe 1 out of 2 games for about 80 points.....let the chacha begin.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:10 pm EST

E - Depends on who's eyes you are talking about..:)

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:09 pm EST

OLA - While they are all overpaid (just like most NHL vets),To me it's not the contracts or age (both 29) of Shatt and SMith, it's just how good are they...Shatt's D is passable at best, can his O offset that?...Smith Was deent in the past before falling off the cliff last year, was it just a blip? The thing is, there are tom any questios on these guys for anybody to want to trade for them..maybe by the deadline iof they prove anything, if then...Now, Staal, he's another story..31 and looking like he's aging and way over priced for a 3rtd pair D-man

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 3:06 pm EST

The Hayes line led the New York Rangers in possession last night. And MZAs stats reflected the other two so, the eye test is not reflective of what actually happened on the ice.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 2:47 pm EST

OLA: To be clear I do agree with you. If I'm the Rangers I trade SMITH as soon as I can find someone to take him and his contract. I work really hard to try to get STAAL to waive his NMC by the deadline to see if he can be moved to a contender. If they can unload two of those 3 contracts that would be a big win in my book. The hardest one to move will be SHATTENKIRK unless he starts playing at a level that someone would be interested in taking on his contract.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 2:27 pm EST

We are rebuilding. Staal’s contract spans over 18/19, 19/20 and 20/21. Smith’s contract spans over 18/19, 19/20 and 20/21.. Shatty’s contract spans over 18/19, 19/20 and 20/21. Girardis contract is on our books for 18/19, 19/20, 20/21, 21/22 and 22/23. Seriously, I would without any doubt prefer whatever downgrade on our blueline — if there would be one, I am personally not at all so sure that we couldn’t find a reclamation project, waiver pickup or whatever that could take a regular shift — it means if we Gorts starts turning every single stone to get rid of some of these contracts. JMHO.

Ola


Fri Oct 5 2018 2:24 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2h2 hours ago Henrik Lundqvist will play tomorrow in Buffalo and Alexandar Georgiev will likely go Sunday in Carolina, per David Quinn.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 2:18 pm EST

Vic- I get where you are coming from with expecting Shatty’s value to increase if we hold on to him. The thing, in relation to other organizations it seems like I’ve heard that argument 100s times. And I am not sure I ever seen any player referred to actually go the other way... If you ask 20 people following this organization if we should keep Shatty probably 18-19 say of course. I have a very strong feeling that if we ask the same guys in 16 months if in hindsight Gorton should have done more today many will have changed corner.

Ola


Fri Oct 5 2018 2:18 pm EST

andrei - will have to agree to disagree for now..but will keep watching to see if you are right...IT could be that he is playing more of set-up type game and looking more than flying..HAYES, OTOH, looks faster (and used his body) becasue he is playing more N-S then he used to

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 1:41 pm EST

One player that i forgot to mention. Hankie looked great. If not for his saves, we should have lost 5-1.

andrei


Fri Oct 5 2018 1:40 pm EST

Hospo, that's the thing. His line was hustling, Zuc was not. Saw him floating at the top of the perimeter for the majority of his playing time. Happens to the best of them. It's not that i don't like him. I do. But i'm being honest. He is not the same player he was 2-3 years ago.

andrei


Fri Oct 5 2018 1:30 pm EST

andrei - agree with all that except for ZUCC..I know you dont like him, but thought he and his linemates played a real good game, just couldnt put the puck in the net..They weren't flying.. but they controlled and generated so many chances...ZBAD_BUCH_KREIDER could take some pointers from how they played last nuight

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 1:21 pm EST

Was at the game last night. Got invited to sit in 100 section. Amazing view. About the game. Chytil looks huge. Listed at 6-2, but he looked way bigger. His line looked good. Saw him hustle all game long. Let me tell you, we do have something special in Filip. Moves he was making... Potentially a very good first liner. Possibly, number one center.. Krider looked invisible. Shatty was so bad, that he was booed. On one play, he had a chance to take a puck, but instead he skated back and Preds got a scoring chance. One player that looked slow and looked like he lost step was Zuc. Fans love them, but he looked bad. Falling all over the place, constant over-passing, no desire to go to the dirty areas to get the puck. Honestly, don't see how Rangers would even consider resigning him at this point. Love his spirit, but when you this small, you need to be more aggressive, but i did not see it. Not the same player he was few years back.. Stall was decent, but man oh man, he also lost a step.

andrei


Fri Oct 5 2018 1:01 pm EST

E - Well, I can see replacing Littieri, just not with what we have..Hopefully guys like ANdersson, Fogarty, Fontiane< gettinger or even that dog named Boo..show their salt in Hartford and push for a call up

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:58 pm EST

RF4l - I was more disturbed of the hypothetical Nemestnikov example tdchi used. : )

DREW


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:44 pm EST

After seeing the overall play of Howden and Lettieri last night I see no reason to supplant either one at this time. Both are playing NHL level hockey. I can understand a bromance with Beleskey. He brings a lot of physical play but I don’t see upside in him. He is what he is. I’ll state this. All day long over iCloud. Cody might be Mr. Awesome to his teammates but he is just barely a hockey player. What they needed was guys who come over the boards who bang people around and change the pace. Someone told me that there is no way Subban would’ve ran someone if iCloud was in the lineup. What? Like Subban would fight him? He’d try to catch him not looking? This is Subban. iCloud would come out, Subban would say, “bring it...” ICloud would drop the gloves and Subban would skate back to the bench to get some Gatorade and catch his breath for the PP. thank you iCloud. Subban, is aggravating to play against. He’s strong and physical. He talks crap all game long. And he backs it up by ringing up the points. iCloud would’ve been as useless as Nemo last night. Neither is the answer. Need some hockey players. Right now I fear that the depth that can go in on the 4th line might be woefully weak. I’m sure Lias will be getting his occasional look this season. Maybe he holds it down and bumps up and puts Chytil to the wing to and bouncing Spooner. But they are weak in the bottom-6 right now.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:20 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 41m41 minutes ago Oh, there's Vlad. He's here. Just not taking regular shifts, is all. 0 replies 1 retweet 0 likes

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:20 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 50m50 minutes ago At #NYR practice. Cody McLeod skating on the fourth line, with Brett Howden and Vinni Lettieri. Don't know where Vlad Namestnikov is.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:17 pm EST

they have back to back this weekend, the mighty Quinn should rotate his extra guys.....he's also probably sending nameoff and the team a message ....he has to assert his authority and leadership along with accountability.....that doesn't necessarily mean nameoff doesn't fit....time will tell , but he did use him on the pk....icloud won't be.....don't be surprised to see the other 2 d and georgieboy possibly in on Sunday....along with nameoff ...but continue the trade hopes ...beat the Christmas and deadline rush......or wait to see how the guys in Hartford play....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:15 pm EST

TD...did McLeod do something to you personally?? Lol...your pure loathing of the guy is unparalleled!

RF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:14 pm EST

Bob - Me neither..loooking forward to having Mcleod back in the lineup over Namestnikov..He earned it in preseason and, sorry, but the Ranger forwards played with little jam last night..Yes it was NASHVILLE, but still..Wish there was a bettr option on the team, but there isnt

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:03 pm EST

NAMESTINKOV could whip his unit out and jerk off in the corner and he’s be a better option than McLEOD. I reiterate: iClod is one of, if not THE worst player in the NHL. The Rangers are better off skating short a man or dressing seven D than putting him in. If QUINN wants to punish Names, then he better get on the horn with Hartford. Any one of the Pack forwards...including Shawn O’DONNELL...would be better than clodhoppers. That guy gives no meaning to Suck. Last guy who was as useless as him to strap on a jersey was the Ghost of Don Brashear.

tdchi


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:40 am EST

Namestnikov simply appears to not fit with the Rangers. Maybe he was spoiled playing with Kucherov and Stamkos last season. The problem is.........if he continues to be useless the Rangers won't get much for him should they trade him. I have no problem with McLeod playing instead of him. I would rather it be Beleskey, but oh well.

Bob


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:40 am EST

Namestnikov simply appears to not fit with the Rangers. Maybe he was spoiled playing with Kucherov and Stamkos last season. The problem is.........if he continues to be useless the Rangers won't get much for him should they trade him. I have no problem with McLeod playing instead of him. I would rather it be Beleskey, but oh well.

Bob


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:26 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Follow Follow @BrettCyrgalis More Cody McLeod skating in the spot of Vlad Namestnikov on #NYR fourth line at practice. All others the same.

RDW


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:25 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 13m13 minutes ago Cody McLeod skating in the spot of Vlad Namestnikov on #NYR fourth line at practice. All others the same. 0 replies 3 retweets 0 likes

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:24 am EST

“Something we talked about at B.C. was playing a no-doubter, so even when the refs do get involved, it’s not up to the refs,” Kreider told The Post in his first game as a newly minted alternate captain, a contest in which he didn’t exactly have his best stuff. “It was a Jerry York-ism — 70-30, 80-20 game — leave no doubt. And if the refs get involved, even if you get some bad bounces, you’re doing everything you can to let yourself win, and you’re not beating yourself.”

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:21 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/08/10/maggie-gray-goes-scorched-earth-on-vile-piece-of-trash-james-dolan/

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:20 am EST

Madison Square Garden Chief Executive James Dolan got a hefty raise, the company said Thursday. Dolan will bring home roughly $9.3 million in total compensation over the next year — including sales, bonus and other payout — up 20 percent from his previous contract. MSG, which owns the Knicks and Rangers, saw its shares spike about 46 percent over the past year.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:18 am EST

"The coach was probably his team’s biggest critic when it was over. He said the Rangers hadn’t been aggressive enough on the puck and had backed off and in too often. He noted that it wasn’t like training camp. Well, duh. And even though he was right, this was only a first step. And first steps aren’t always dispositive." ....lb...https://nypost.com/2018/10/05/rangers-showed-signs-of-playing-david-quinn-hockey/

stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:18 am EST

Vic- We pay our blueline more than many smaller nations spend on their defense budget, yet non of our vet Ds are like even remotely as good as Nashville’s top 5. Is Gorton turning every stone???

Ola


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:15 am EST

OLA: I can see the possibility of SHATTENKIRK getting moved but I would be stunned if it happened right now. He hasn't played HOCKEY since the beginning of last year and wasn't very good when he was in the lineup. If the Rangers are going to be able to trade him he would need to resurrect his trade value. He would need to get his game back and be the productive player he used to be. Why would any other team want to take on that contract right now?

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 11:02 am EST

Shatty is making an extremely bad job of playing at a level convincing us that he has THREE more elite years in him. Could easily see him start to break down sooner rather than later from the wear and tear of playing for a worthless team night after night. We have 3 horrible contracts on the blueline besides him and Girardis buy-out already. Gorton should be tired on the spot if he isn’t calling every GM in the league shopping Shatty. We can’t risk getting caught with any more monster contracts on the blueline. Seriously, why the heck aren’t media up in arms about Gorts not doing more to get rid of 22???

Ola


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:57 am EST

E: I agree 100% on STINKY. I had been thinking that the only reason LETTIERI really made the roster was that BELESKEY got hurt. And I was thinking that when BELESKEY came back it was most likely LETTIERI that was going to get sent down. I'm not so sure now. STINKY may be on a very short leash. He certainly didn't earn his roster spot in the preseason. When BELESKEY gets back I wouldn't be surprised to see STINKY sit (unless he is dealt before then). A 4th line of HOWDEN between LETTIERI and BELESKEY would be interesting.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:48 am EST

...and finally can we just get Nemo out of there already. I simply cannot stand his style of play. He floats, he doesn’t compete, he only thinks offense and he’s on the 4th line. And then he can’t manufacture offense to save his life. He’s a joke. He just lived off of Stamkos and away from him this is all he is. He is woefully out of place on this team. Get a low pick for him or a useable 4th liner and send him as far away as you can. He is easily the guy who I like the least in that lineup.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:45 am EST

And the Hayes line was the best rounded line last night. They controlled the zone, moved the puck and things happened nicely. The other second line (because the NYR have 2) looks like they have chemistry but going back to last season I see the same thing. If they don’t get shots off the rush and driving to the net they just lose it and end up the other way. Chris Krieder is the best at driving the net. And when he does, Buch always seems able to dart into the hole that CK makes. This leaves Zibanejad high up where he can get a 1-timer. They’re good in the middle of the ice and crashing the net. They seem to lose every fight along the wall for the puck. Just three guys who don’t play the boards well. I think right now looking at what they have and going back to last season, Hayes is better with Buchnevich. And when you consider that Buchnevich seems to have matured into an understanding that the point is to score and not make sweet passes all game long? I wanna see a lot more of shots funneled thru him. Still only one game but most of the observations go back to last season. I’ll say this though. With all the fanfare and hoopla over the royal gems (one of which is now in Hartford) the somewhat forgotten man is Buchnevich. And he looks mature, good hockey sense, and more purposeful this season. Wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he breaks thru.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:35 am EST

HOSPO: I think one of the biggest issues that causes losses against Nashville is their defense. Their defense keeps you at distance. It’s the kind of defense that AV lusts over. One that’s highly skilled and super quick. One mistake and they are gone up the ice with numbers. That being said and all teams are rough around the edges this time of year it took a blown play off of a faceoff to get them the win. I venture to say that there is no way a team is gonna get away with winning a faceoff to the point and teeing up a one timer uncontested as things get going. And honestly? Spooner challenges the shooter from 10’ out by turning sideways? Weak sauce. I’m sure he heard it from the coaches.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:34 am EST

NEWFIE: I think they realize that. What I think you are going to see is that guys who can and will play that way are going to be the guys you stay. The guys who don't will be moved. It may take a year or two to transform the roster but eventually they will have the kind of players they need to play that style of hockey. At least that is what I see happening based on everything we have heard from GORTON and DQ. It just takes time to turn over a roster to get there.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:24 am EST

I just hope that Quinn and Gorton know what they are doing here. It sounds to me that they want EVERBODY to "hound the puck" and play "in your face " hockey. You need the right personel to play this brand and everyone has to be "all in " From my extensive years of coaching Hockey I know first hand that it's not as simple as having a plan of the way you want everyone to play and then expecting it to just happen because you say so.That being said, Gallant did an unbelievable job in LVG last year in rolling his 4 lines and having them play the same. Just don't know if that is realistic here with this crew of forwards.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:15 am EST

Hospo...don't get me wrong...my patience does not extend to 3 - 5 years...Like Danny Glover said, "I'm gettin' too old for this sh*t"

RF73


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:03 am EST

RF73 - From the long term view, that is correct..but i'll leave the 3-5 year patience up to you guys...I'll just take each game as they come...Hopefully some good trends will emerge...good things they can build on from last night---a better defensive system (and players more dedicated), the HAYES line, HOWDEN, the skill of CHYTL and FAST being FAST

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 10:03 am EST

TD: Hogwash!

mf


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:59 am EST

PJ - With you, the "first" line was a disaster...They all jut want to be pretty..Hopefully QUINN can nip that in the bud...Ranger47 - Honestly, because of the Rangers lack of physicality or, as Quinn said, "in your face". they were mostly the same old Rangers to watch from that perspective..OTOH, as most have said, the Preds were a hard team to open up against..but that didnt seem to stop guys like the HAYES line and HOWDEN

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:56 am EST

I just scrolled through the roster…looks like only 6 new names this year…that means every other player suffers from some form of “Stockholm Syndrome”…They are going to have to be de & reprogrammed from the prior regime…Quinn is leading the intervention…and that will take time…how easy is it for all of us to break old rote habits?...I liked what I saw last night…obviously wanted a win…but they looked different…and that’s a start…watch each game and see if they start getting it or improving over the next 12-18 games…new coach, new system…Patience Grasshoppers

RF73


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:49 am EST

I'm with TD. Good first game against one of the top veteran teams in the league with a Vezina goalie. They're a team with a new coach and system, a bunch of players on new lines and a number of young'uns. They'll get better as they play more games together - though I thought Hank had an exceptional game which I'm not sure he can repeat on a consistent basis. Names sucked and Spooner needs to be better. The Hayes line surprised and shows promise. They looked like a bubble PO team at worst. Let's see how they look after the first dozen games to get a better handle on the team. But quite entertaining and better than expected!

Ranger47


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:41 am EST

Some other observations. The FORSBERG goal was the play where PIONK and LETTIERI went to the same guy leaving FORSBERG the ability to step in and get a perfect shot off. I thought PIONK should have moved over with LETTIERI coming back. Outside of that I thought PIONK was fine. STAAL made a few poor decisions that created scoring chances against. And SMITH drives me nuts. He is god awful with the puck. You live with it if he brings that physical, mauling play...which he didn't last night. So IMHO if SMITH isn't going to be a physical, punishing player I have no use for him. He is a liability. McQUAID was fine. SKJEI was ok. SHATTENKIRK looked like he hadn't played a game at that level in a long time.....and he hasn't. So I give him a little rope for now. And finally, HANK was brilliant last night. You can't ask for more then he gave you.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:36 am EST

A also want to get into some of the individual performances but I don't want to be too harsh or critical, especially of some of the younger guys. The veterans knew what to expect. The young guys are still drinking it all in. So my pluses for the game start with the HAYES line. Clearly the Rangers best line and the line that generated most of the chances. VESEY played really well. I wish he could have capitalized on some of the chances he had but man did he have chances last night. That was due to HAYES and MZA. HAYES played well and setup some golden scorning chances. MZA did as well but passed up on a high quality shot to try a pass that just didn't need to be made (some things never change). I thought the CHEETOS line played well at times and his pass to FAST was brilliant. I thought the 4th line was quiet for the most part until the 3rd period when HOWDEN and LETTIERI started to get some things going. I thought the first line wasn't good and statistically was saved by the late, meaningless goal.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:35 am EST

TD...Top two lines?...Thought the ZBAD line was terrible...

PJ


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:33 am EST

The Rangers with a new coach took one of the NHL's top teams to the last second of the third period. And yet the wall laments. Sheesh guys. I thought some of you would actually enjoy that game! Top two lines looked phenomenal...CHYTIL is already a special player...defense...MUCH improved. Agreed, STAAL didn't look good and I'm not sure how much longer he's gonna be here, sad to say...all around, a very good first outing...Certainly room for improvement, but the team is much improved from last year.

tdchi


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:33 am EST

Quinn seems like a nice guy...Something tells me as a player you don't want to get on his bad side...His postgame interview started with him saying he is not at all happy with how the Rangers played....I am so use to all the bullshit from the past that I was kind of shocked....I believe accountability has arrived in Rangerland...Wake up Mr Kreider among others....

PJ


Fri Oct 5 2018 9:29 am EST

So, big picture first. Having to play that team in your first game with a new head coach, new systems, new lines/pairs and some new roster players is about as "unfair" as it gets. I was expecting a loss and really just a blowout of a game. Nashville did carry the edge in play but not by a huge margin. Maybe 60% to 40%. But the Rangers played well at times in the game and definitely had chances to win. The non call right before the SUBBAN goal decided the game. So lets see how things go from here. There is a lot to like and there are some things that need to be addressed and cleaned up.

Vic


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:47 am EST

Why a coach would demand that his players not physically push back in a sport like hockey and more importantly, a league like the NHL that encourages intimidation, is beyond me! So glad AV is gone and so refreshing after 5 years to hear the stuff DQ is saying.

rF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:44 am EST

I get the distinct impression Namestninob is not a Quinn type player.

rF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:35 am EST

Higgy21: I saw Namestnikov roll his eyes when Quinn sent him to the box. Do we trade this guy now or later?

richter35


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:24 am EST

JFC -Let's hope so! I know it's gonna take time.but it's also so foreign to so many of these forwards...especilly the lines that gets the most ice...The players will decide their own fate under Quinn ..Just a question of how long he gives them to buy into it consistently

Hospo


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:14 am EST

HOSPO - LOL! Just read down the page and I basically posted the same thing you did!

JFC31


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:12 am EST

Love that Quinn commented that the NYR have to be more "in your face." These guys have a warped sense ofmwhatgthatbmeans from playing for Mr. "Whistle to whistle" for 5 years. They talk about "compete level" and euphemisms like that, but what Quinn wants is constant pressure and HITTING. The guy is a Boston-area coach....anyone who knows that style of hockey, knows it's all about HITTING and aggression. He's gonna get it from every player or they're not gonna play.

JFC31


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:08 am EST

Smith de Angelo iCloud Beleskey

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:06 am EST

So far I think names thrown out so far to get traded are zucchini, haze, Namestnikov, Hank, staal, shattenkirk , Zibanejad, krieder, spoonher.... did I miss anyone?

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:02 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 9h "We take the good stuff, we improve in practice tomorrow, and we get ready for a big weekend." -#NYR Henrik Lundqvist

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:01 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 9h “We progressed throughout the whole game. I think we got better and we skated more and were more aggressive." -#NYR Mika Zibanejad

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 8:01 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 9h "I wish we had a better result, but at the end of the day, I liked our compete effort." - #NYR Mats Zuccarello

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 7:56 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 9h "We’ve just got to be harder on the puck, we’ve got to do a better job of playing ‘in your face’ hockey." -#NYR Head Coach David Quinn

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 7:06 am EST

So for me I was pleased with the play of the King, the defense in general (although Pionk struggled early but got steadier as the game went on), the Hayes line (the lousy shooting of his wingers notwithstanding), Chytil and Howden. I didn't like the number 1 line at all - they generated little and Kreider once again had no impact at all on the game (he keeps that up and he'll be gone by the deadline). Name was also invisible and I honestly cannot recall the other winger on that line! LOL.

rF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 6:59 am EST

stevie: Yeah, Rinne was good but a half a dozen shots I could have saved - 3 each from Vesey and Zuke right into the middle of the net. The King faced how many odd man rushes? 5? 6? I don't recall 1 going the other way. That has to be cleaned up for sure. Nashville isn't exactly an offensive juggernaut - yes their fast and excellent positional play helped create those odd man rushes but IMO, it was more about bad plays by the Rangers that Nashville took advantage of. But Rome, as they say, wasn't built in a day.

rF4l


Fri Oct 5 2018 5:37 am EST

Rf4l without the play of pecker the score might have been 5-3 nyr win. But calling me that name is a new low.... .lol ! ... I’ll try to keep track of all the guys people want gone by the deadline or next week....if not sooner...

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:53 am EST

...and the refs gotta get it together. Tonight was totally unacceptable.

E


Fri Oct 5 2018 12:53 am EST

Very uneven and sloppy performance. That which was good I really liked. You can see what they want to do. Now they shook out the nerves they can start to settle in and play some hockey. They were really intimidated by Nashville’s speed.

E


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:50 pm EST

I noted earlier how i thhought the Rangers forwards mostly played a non-physical game and needed to do more hitting and forechecking..Very refreshinng and good to hear QUINN with..."We’ve just got to be harder on the puck, we’ve got to do a better job of playing ‘in your face’ hockey." insteaad of players like ZBAD with his "We progressed throughout the whole game. I think we got better and we skated more and were more aggressive."..QUINN gets it...He's gootta get more of his players to really get it....Cant see how Mcleod doesnnt "skate" this weekend..

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 10:10 pm EST

Rangers lost most of the battles along the boards. Very disappointing. Lundqvist played well. Vesey cannot bury the puck despite having a boatload of chances. And they gave up far too many odd man rushes.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:52 pm EST

PJ/RF4L - I though they palyed bettter team defense for the most part..but then a bad play by SHatt herr..a turnover by SMith there..a horrible pinch by Staal here..and it quickly gets out of control..Gotta minimize that stuff..Will tae time.....What I really like is no more running around in circles and D-men chasing players all over the ice liek they did under AV's "system".

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:49 pm EST

Barfalo and Carolina on the weekend. Gotta take at least one of those games, if not both. Yes?

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:48 pm EST

PJ: True but still way too many odd man rushes. Without the King's play it would have over much earlier and to the tune of like 5 1. That's gotta be cleaned up and probably will be.

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:47 pm EST

Hospo your team won in ot... too many cooks in the kitchen... ?... the mighty Quinney is the head chef...

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:47 pm EST

Rangers now tied with 3 other teams for last overall - Jack Hughes come on down!!! ;^)

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:43 pm EST

NOMAS-tikov

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:43 pm EST

One thing that stood out to me is we didn't get trapped in our own for long periods of time like many games last year...Lots of support in our own end....Good to see...

PJ


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:42 pm EST

1st line had a bad night. Buch I was disappointed in. Smith and Shatt together is downright scary. Seems like we lost every draw which caught up to us in the end.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:42 pm EST

Namestninob!

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:42 pm EST

I can read minds... mind over matter... you don’t mind it don’t matter... happy to annoy.. feeling is mutual... Irving moofboy crank your traderator.... putting hanky in the hopper?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:37 pm EST

RF4L - The sooner the better..Rather see Connor Mcleod...Namesstniove does nothing..at least Mcleod might give Howden and Littieri more room...REally liked the eway HOWDEN played toniight

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:34 pm EST

PK Subban - the PK stands for Punk Krud. He and Marchand should get married.

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:33 pm EST

I too saw Name looking petulant in the penalty box. Keep it up and you'll be on waivers dude....

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:31 pm EST

stevielegs and wildcard have become a single entity...

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:29 pm EST

Anyone else notice how annoyed Namestnikov was when Quinn tapped him on the back to serve the penalty? Quinn saw his glove come up and was eyeing him to the penalty box.

Higgy21


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:27 pm EST

STEP - Yeah, great offensive instincts..knows where to go and where is linemates should be.also...FAST is a goofd match but not so sure SPooner is

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:27 pm EST

Rangers certainly played decent against a good team and a great goalie...Vesey didn't finish but that line was good every shift...Liked Fast,Howden and Chytyl's games....Kreider was a joke...I mean opening night at home and he gives that type of effort?...Shattenkirk picked up where left off...Sucks in his own end....Stall had a bad game as did Pionk....Hank had to come up big quite often....Tough loss but no quit in the team...If the high stick is called who knows...May have cost us the game...

PJ


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:25 pm EST

Yeah Legs, "who's say that?"

mf


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:24 pm EST

Chytl is gonna be a force. He has a presence on the ice. Deceptively fast and covers a lot of ground quickly. You can tell he wants that puck.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:24 pm EST

STEVIE - ANd who is saying that?

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:22 pm EST

Very patient fan base ... game 1 . ..New coach .. no points... season over ?... trade him ?....

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:21 pm EST

Gotta be honest that was an excellent effort. I'll take it

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:20 pm EST

Stevie... Agreed and they're not where Quinn wants them to be yet either. Some good positives came out of tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:20 pm EST

If this is the best Namestinko can do bring the kid back from Hartford.

Jake0104


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:19 pm EST

And the worst part is was it was aa pretty boring, non-physical game kinda like the Rangers of the last few years...OTOH, the Preds are a fast team and good puck moving D-men and hard to presure..Still the Rangers forwrds gotta do more then they dud in the ofrecheking and hitting,,

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:19 pm EST

Somewhere in Quebec a frog is laughing.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:19 pm EST

Namstink plays the pk....

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:18 pm EST

Very respectable... mistakes cost ... they need to build on that.... better than most games last year...

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:16 pm EST

Meh, something to build on.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:16 pm EST

not to pile on here but.... anyone care to sum up Namestnikovs play tonight?

mf


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:16 pm EST

or a tie.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:16 pm EST

Hmm..hard team to open up agasint..Was happy with the Rangers effort and attention to defense...Tha Zucc-Hayes-Vesey lline was a force..they keep playing like that and the goals will come...HOWDEN had a nice first game but his linemates provided nothing....Sweet pass by Chytl for the goal and FAST had a good two way game...The Kreider-ZABAD-BUCH line was worthless until 3o seconds left in the game..ddidnt force anything...

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:15 pm EST

the bench cost us a win :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:15 pm EST

way to not give up

mf


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:14 pm EST

if only we didn't pull the goalie.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:14 pm EST

Butchie

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:13 pm EST

Who was responsible for the too many men on the ice penalty?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:13 pm EST

Too many men costs

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:13 pm EST

Namestinko serves the penalty, he is a zero Henrik Fast Vesey played well. Good effort just not good enough.

Jake0104


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:12 pm EST

Zuke and Vesey live to shoot in the midfle of the net!!

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:10 pm EST

Are you f-ing kidding me?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:09 pm EST

ZUCC couldn't put the puck in the ocean if he was sitting in a life raft right now.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:04 pm EST

of course :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:00 pm EST

Rhet...except when in the hugh slot...

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:59 pm EST

Preds shutting it all down. Boring. No cup again for them. Hee haaw

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:59 pm EST

Quinn told him he wants him to shoot the puck more so now he just shoots it from anywhere.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:56 pm EST

Zuke is dumb...wby shoot there??

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:51 pm EST

Refs are just sucking. But the NYR weren’t set at that faceoff. Too busy chirping at the ref and they didn’t attack the points quickly off enough off the F/O loss. That was too easy a feed for the one timer and Subban will hit that dead on all day long. But the refs gotta get it together.

E


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:49 pm EST

Is Kreider playing?

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:49 pm EST

These officials are in mid season form.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:48 pm EST

Fuuuuuu@@@@kklk you Refs

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:48 pm EST

Now the linesmen

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:48 pm EST

How do you miss that high stick?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:46 pm EST

Missed high stick! Should’ve been a Rangers PP

rngrsans


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:45 pm EST

Thanks refs

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:45 pm EST

Great screen by Shatty

RDW


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:45 pm EST

Any HUGHES sightings tonight :-)

schneidw


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:44 pm EST

Being unselfish is one thing but Christ you gotta SHOOT

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:41 pm EST

Zuuc needs electro shock therapy to break him of the habit of pass when he is in the better position to shoot.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:40 pm EST

WTF zuke...just stupid

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:39 pm EST

Tratwig and Valliquet are getting a hotel room after the game

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:32 pm EST

Changing to Dad is son ?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:31 pm EST

ADISON SQUARE GARDEN? Diddler Dolans not paying the bills?

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:30 pm EST

I would like to see the more physical instead of getting physically abused

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:27 pm EST

I will take this effort overnthemgum chewer. They clearly need work until they have their system down. Nashville does not have that problem.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:27 pm EST

Stevie being positive? Wow...it is a new beginning!! Lol where's Hospo?

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:26 pm EST

Stevie, give 'em 10 games or 10 minutes? I'm confused. HaHa

NYStranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:26 pm EST

My prediction for this year.....Vegas sucks

tradestar28


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:24 pm EST

New coach and new system, I think the whole team get's some slack.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:24 pm EST

Knock on wood......but Henrik looks great tonight

tradestar28


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:23 pm EST

Nyr suck fire the mighty? Slow down it’s tied after 2 ... Captain Kirk hasn’t played a real game since January. Give them 10 and scream “stop the rebuild “...

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:23 pm EST

I will take tonight's effort over any of that SHIT SHOW Veenyo put out

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:20 pm EST

You gotta give Shatty at least a 5 game reprieve his timing is a little off

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:18 pm EST

Tradestar- is anyone not disappointing you tonight? Lol

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:16 pm EST

where's Shittenturd tonight? I thought he was brought in to open the ice up for NYR......the home town discounter needs to go to the bargain bin until further notice

tradestar28


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:15 pm EST

Go Lettieri Go!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:12 pm EST

Typical. Now they will call a ticky tack hook.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:11 pm EST

Didn't that hit on Bucc used to be a penalty?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:11 pm EST

Staal is having a good game. Very strong and taking the body. Only mentioning it because he gets tons of crap on here.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:10 pm EST

Send out the REAL Undertaker.......McQuaid

tradestar28


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:07 pm EST

Nashville very well oiled machine.

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:05 pm EST

One of these teams can really skate. The other one is the Rangers.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 8:03 pm EST

Agreed Shattenkirk looking like shittenkirk...

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:59 pm EST

Hayes has been finishing his checks all game...

RDW


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:58 pm EST

Shatt having crap game.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:57 pm EST

NHL officiating...horrid as usual.

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:57 pm EST

Filip with assist

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:54 pm EST

Fast Chytil!!!

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:54 pm EST

Spooner / Chytil / Fast ..... Hmmmm,

mf


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:54 pm EST

Great pass by Chyto

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:53 pm EST

Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:53 pm EST

FAST SCORES!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:50 pm EST

Pionk struggling...

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:47 pm EST

SJW... It's not on NBCSN?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:44 pm EST

THis really sucks.. game is not on NHL Centre Ice here.. WTF

sjw


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:44 pm EST

good not god

stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:43 pm EST

Enjoyed listening to mighty Quinn mic'ed up during preseason....he's a typical Massachusetts yapper, a teacher and a leader....he's constantly talking, explaining and guiding. I think he was an excellent choice to be coach.

JFC31


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:43 pm EST

Vesey is like a bottle rocket tonight

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:42 pm EST

My gut's telling me that this may be Zucc's last season. I think maybe he get's moved at the deadline to open a spot for Kravtsov

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:42 pm EST

hanky looks god, and the team is not bad for game 1

stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:41 pm EST

Buch too jumpy. Acconplishing nothing. Needs to settle done.

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:33 pm EST

Amd 52 years for me. Geeesh...

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:31 pm EST

Vesey had a strong last preseason game. Has picked up where left off.

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:30 pm EST

Rhet...Thinking the very same thing

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:23 pm EST

Who the F woke Vesey up?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:22 pm EST

Sooooooo far so Good :>)

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:22 pm EST

What a period by Vesey. Too bad Zuke can't shoot. That's why he passes all the time.

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:21 pm EST

Nice shot by Zucc off a Vesey pass. Close.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:21 pm EST

Imagine Zucc could finish like Marchand?

tradestar28


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:14 pm EST

We have a Kreider sighting.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:06 pm EST

Hayes Vesey and Zuch look good

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:02 pm EST

Who is this Vesey kid?

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:00 pm EST

I like the response on Subban. It ain’t gonna stop him but stay in his face. Nashville is f-in Fast on transition.

E


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:59 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... That was the Rangers' first forecheck in two years.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:59 pm EST

Still love to watch Zucc!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:56 pm EST

I guess this is somewhere around 42-43 years for me. Ouch... how many of my gray hairs are compliments of this team.

E


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:56 pm EST

Kreider and Smith go after Suban

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:55 pm EST

ophph?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:55 pm EST

Phuck ophph Subban

RF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:52 pm EST

LOU... Not gonna lie, that was a touching tribute to Amirante.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:51 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Last year, Filip Forsberg was suspended three games for an elbow to Jimmy Vesey's face. First shift tonight, Vesey gave him a two-handed chop to the back of the legs.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:48 pm EST

I was crying like a 9 year old

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:39 pm EST

Is Nashville the best team in the League this season? Could be.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:24 pm EST

Well here we go folks my 47th season as a Ranger fan.Will it bring misery depression anxiety Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha W

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:21 pm EST

GEO Was high-fiving every player as they went out to the ice. You think he's excited to be here?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:14 pm EST

Into the breach, we march again comrades.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:04 pm EST

Well, here we go again. Starting my 5th decade of this shit.

hipcheck


Thu Oct 4 2018 5:58 pm EST

Buckle up Boyz N Gurlz, here's to another year off our lives..... Let's Go Rangers!!!

mf


Thu Oct 4 2018 5:47 pm EST

Hello WALLSTERS rangerlou here from Mantoloking Beach My Rangers stromboli is in the oven LGR!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Oct 4 2018 5:44 pm EST

TDCHI - disgree about Mcleod based on preseason..but no biggie..Didnt we try moving Thomas Pock from D to Forward? Or was that the other way around? Maybe even the great Tom Poti...?

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 5:26 pm EST

Well comrades, here we go again. The pain returns. Bring on your optimism.

E


Thu Oct 4 2018 5:11 pm EST

re: DeANGELO - Almost as much chance as him being moved to forward as him being moved to goalie. It just never happens at this stage in a player's development...or at least very seldom. The only two blueliners I recall getting bounced to wing were BYFUGLIEN and BURNS...and I think their size had a lot to do with that...DeA's defense isn't bad...no worse than the much-maligned D of DEL ZOTTO...they're very similar players...and both have their place on a blueline...the key is to play them situationally and make sure they have a babysitter back there.

tdchi


Thu Oct 4 2018 4:59 pm EST

McLEOD versus the Preds? What's he gonna do? Face-check the boards again? Even on the off-chance they put RINALDO in to thug things up, he ain't fast enough to catch him...and a clown like that turtles even if he could...I don't have a lot of faith that the Rangers will win this one, but shit, let's give them a fighting chance(no pun intended). Being tough is great...being tough and immobile is not...I'm really hoping the main reasons iClod is on this roster is 1. Because Dipshit Dolan ordered it; and 2. Because it's better than having a kid ride pine for 60 games a year. Again...I must stress...McLEOD IS A LIABILITY. He has been one for over five years now, and unless you pair him with two possession studs, that's not going to change...I mentioned this a few days ago: basically two out of every three minutes he's on the ice, the other team has the puck(!!!)...that is NOT a good statistic for any player, regardless of their offensive output...but in this case, iClod HAS NO offensive output...and as we saw with GRYBA's hit on NIEVES, he's not a deterrent and he's not altogether too effective at "getting back" so to speak. Great character guy, sure. Give him a goddamn coaching position then. Or leave him where he is, which is in the stands. Roll him out when some other really awful team dresses their full goon contingent.

tdchi


Thu Oct 4 2018 4:20 pm EST

Rf4L - Like I said, I think that is what Quinn wants to see..we have more than a few D to do it..Will the forwards do it without Mcleod? we'll see

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:56 pm EST

Mcquaid and Smith will have to be the muscle.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:47 pm EST

Bob: I like to think that this edition of the Rangers, if someone on Nashville dares to headshot a Ranger tonight will be swiftly piledriven into the boards. McLeod isn't needed for that.

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:44 pm EST

Not sure if anything was ever announced..but line-up seems to be the same as was practicing this past weekend...I have huge concerns about the lines but that's old news...I can see QUINN's thinking on sitting MacLeod....Let's see how tough the team can be without him and let's see if Namesnikov can do anything.....I like the way Quinn has balanced the D pairs..Really like McQuaid wit Skjei and if Smith is back, he's a good partner for Shatt...And Staal-Pionk makes sense also....Of course, they have to perform...Thn there's Claesson..I was never impressed by him as a Sen but he was getting alot of helium on here and other places becasue he was paired with Karlsson for awhile and did OK...I dont see it..but he's good to have for defensive D-man depth..

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:35 pm EST

RHET: All I saw a few days ago were lines and pairings from practice. I didn't see it said anywhere that those lines and pairings were definitely going to be the lineup for tonight.

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:31 pm EST

I thought the opening night lineup was announced a couple of days ago?

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:26 pm EST

BOB: I'm pretty surprised at that as well. Lets see if the Rangers don't rethink that prior to the start of the game tonight. Especially considering that he is a former Pred as well. Coaches generally play players against their former teams whenever possible. Plus, as you mentioned, the game at the end of the year was dirty as hell. I would think VESEY, STAAL and a bunch of the guys that were here last year would want some payback, especially if the leash is off under DQ.

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:17 pm EST

McLeod is scratched? After last year's game against Nashville, I am surprised. Although he did nothing during the headshot parade there.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:15 pm EST

Vic - I was looking as well....I am not sure how this will look on the wall format...Rangers projected lineup L1: Chris Kreider -- Mika Zibanejad -- Pavel Buchnevich... L2: Jimmy Vesey -- Kevin Hayes -- Mats Zuccarello... L3: Ryan Spooner -- Filip Chytil -- Jesper Fast... L4: Vladislav Namestnikov -- Brett Howden -- Vinni Lettieri... D1: Brady Skjei -- Adam McQuaid... D2: Brendan Smith -- Kevin Shattenkirk... D3: Marc Staal -- Neal Pionk... G: Henrik Lundqvist, Alexandar Georgiev Scratched: Tony DeAngelo, Fredrik Claesson, Cody McLeod Injured: Matt Beleskey (separated shoulder), Boo Nieves (concussion protocol) Source: https://www.nhl.com/news/lineup-projections-goalie-starters-fantasy-updates-roster-news/c-278165828

DREW


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:07 pm EST

Anyone see anything about the lineup for tonight? Which forward is sitting? Which two D are sitting?

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 3:04 pm EST

Leslie Treff ‏ @HFNYRangers .... Sources say Wolf Pack have named Cole Schneider captain & Rob O Gara and Steven Fogarty as alternates.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:59 pm EST

Sorry, HOSPO is correct. I had set it up to record and thought I was recording the NHL network instead of NBCSN.

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:59 pm EST

It is on NBCSN....Channel 220 DirectTV

PJ


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:50 pm EST

I think the game tonight is on NBCSN not NHL Network...also, I think a free preview of Center Ice is running on many Cable Outlets

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:45 pm EST

Vic...……..not exactly, i'm with Bell Aliant and it's called Centre Ice. last year I got 99.9 % of the Ranger games, home and away but for some reason, tonight's game is blacked out. It's just plain stupid.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:32 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/04/msg-moving-ahead-with-plans-to-spin-off-the-knicks-and-rangers/

stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:31 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/04/rangers-wont-have-high-expectations-and-that-may-not-be-a-bad-thing/

stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:29 pm EST

NEWFIE: It is on the NHL network. Do you get that channel?

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 2:23 pm EST

Geez......I just got great news ,the game is blocked out in my area,so after all this waiting and I can't even watch the game. What kind of advanced world do we live in when a game @MSG in NewYork is blacked out in Newfoundland ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 1:39 pm EST

Not that this means a lot but Marchand is a Fantasy Hockey dream in leagues that award for PIMs.. He went 2nd overall in our draft (I was hoping to get him with the 10th pick).....as far as our boys tonight, that is an excellent point that I almost forgot. That Nashville game on the road last year (I believe it was a Saturday night) was likely the game that prompted the changes we made shortly thereafter and almost certainly why we have a new coach. I wish this day can end already!!! LGR

DREW


Thu Oct 4 2018 1:34 pm EST

I'm interested to see how the Rangers come out tonight. Not just for the obvious reasons but also considering how they got their asses handed to them physically the last time they played Nashville. The hit Staal took and the elbow to the face that Vesey took. If Vesey isn't looking for a little payback tonight I'd be pretty disappointed in him.

RDW


Thu Oct 4 2018 1:32 pm EST

Did he lick him too? ... screws are loose... shots to the head loosen more....do the nyr have an agitator?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 4 2018 1:23 pm EST

NEWFIE - I'm with you..I don't have much of a problem with what Marchand did..He and the team were embarrassed on the ice all night...He was pissed and then Eller pulled that crap on the 7th goal? An over-reaction by Marchand sure, but a message to Eller and his his Bruin team-mates was needed..I'm sure the Bruins had no problem with it, and that's what matters....................And one good thing i liked about last nights games (missed the TOR-MON) was that there was some real nastiness, competitiveness and physicality..Hope the Rangers can bring that too

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 12:02 pm EST

Bob,...…….wow, I guess we agree to disagree on that one but isn't that like saying, if you don't want your young guys roughed up then don't carry young guys on your team ? I HATE Marchand too but Eller probably won't do that again,just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:46 am EST

You don't want the celly in front of your bench in a 7-0 game, then show up and don't lose the game 7-0. This is a professional sport, not youth rec hockey and players get paid based on stats. Some moron starting a fight because he is embarrassed is an embarrassment. Marchand is a very talented, low class fellow. The league has seen guys like him before, of course. When he finally gets his comeuppance, he will whine and bitch a fit.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:42 am EST

Asshole? I simply speak the truth. Now go home and root for the Islanders, Mr. Cynical.

kitchen1


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:40 am EST

Bob: He's a scourge on the NHL - someone needs to take him ala Wilson on that poor Swede. Now there's a guy who deserves that sort of goonery.

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:39 am EST

Bob......ah yes ,but that said non-fighter was celebrating a goal in a 7-0 game right in front of the Bruins bench . let's not take everything out of the game.....he got what he deserved....think he'll do it again ,or in Bos for that matter.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:36 am EST

Did anyone catch any of the Leafs/Habs game? Mtl out worked and out hustled the Leafs 5 on 5 the whole game. I hope our guys were watching cause that's the way we have to play. The Habs are no better than us and they took TO to OT in game one.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:35 am EST

I don't see a match between the Rangers and Calgary for Kevin Hayes. And I suspect that the odds are in favor of his being signed to a long term deal in NY anyway. RF4L's man squeeze Brad Marchand beat up a non fighter last night in Washington. What a brave, classy guy he is.

Bob


Thu Oct 4 2018 11:02 am EST

RF4L: What would we be getting in return from Calgary for Hayes? They seem to have a pretty weak pool of prospects from what I can see.

RDW


Thu Oct 4 2018 10:56 am EST

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Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 9:35 am EST

Even though he prides himslef on being an asshole, I actually agree with kitchen1 on KREIDER...but..time for him to really step up this year..then again, I said that last year..!!

Hospo


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:55 am EST

There isn't a team in the league that would not trade for Kreider!! Get a grip....

kitchen1


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:38 am EST

Very early possibility for Kevin Hayes if Gorton moves him during the year: Calgary. We've mused about him going there previously but after losing 5 to 2 to the Canucks and going 0 for 7 on the PP, if this is a trend going forward, Hayes will be quite attractive to them I suspect!!!

rF4l


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:09 am EST

Vic ^5 Totally agree, seemed to take forever.

wiosa


Thu Oct 4 2018 7:00 am EST

Little late in the reply but I would describe Kreider as a typical Ranger pick. A classic underachiever, who is NEVER a "go - to" player. We should've moved him when his value was pretty decent.

wiosa


Thu Oct 4 2018 6:56 am EST

HALLELUJAH!!! Hockey season is here!!! LETS GO RANGERS!!!

Vic


Thu Oct 4 2018 4:34 am EST

the mighty Quinn.... ....." there's a lit bit of we'll show them attitude "....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:25 pm EST

How about pettersson scoring a goal in his first game. That kid looks good for vancouver. Last year's 5th overall

Richter35


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:30 pm EST

BTW, Boston thumped 7 0 by the Caps tonight. LOL

rF4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:27 pm EST

The Dolans intimidation stuff to ensure all with MSG passes/paycheques toe the line suggest that he is quite phallically challenged. Just saying...

rF4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:18 pm EST

DeAngelo does nothing for me. A poor man's DelZero, may he prove me wrong. We would all be winners.

NYStranger


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:16 pm EST

Agree with that last post Rhet

NYStranger


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:16 pm EST

E: There's like zero chance DeA will salvage his NHL career aspirations by moving to the wing. If the Rangers believe he's got legitimate abilities as an NHL d-man at this point in his career he needs the icetime to prove it. If they are skeptical, waive him and if he gets claimed, so be it. He will not progress sitting in the pressbox endlessly.

rF4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:04 pm EST

I don't get the rush for the NYR to name a captain. The NYY haven't had one in 4 years. After all, It's not very often that you draft a Derek Jeter. Year one of the NYR rebuild, it doesn't seem like there should be a rush to name a captain. We don't know what the team will look like or who will even be here as the smoke settles. Personally, I don't currently see the guy on this team that screams to me,"this is the next NYR captain." The guy that will lead by example every night. A guy who will call people out when they're not giving their all. JMO of course ....ARC... I can't say that I will miss Duguay, but I may mss his peculiar fashion choices on game night. Dolan expects the broadcasters to toe the company line or else they'll get the axe. Unfortunately, It doesn't matter to him how dull or uninteresting that broadcast team may be (or even what the fans think).

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 3 2018 7:48 pm EST

Just musing on future moves. As of right now I would trade ZBAB before Hayes. Plus all vets should be on the table for the right return. Hoping this season gives us a hard working, tough to play against Rangers team. A work in progress for sure. Lets Go Rangers!

NYStranger


Wed Oct 3 2018 6:00 pm EST

Rhet- Dolan just loves to wipe our faces on dog shit! No other reason other than that for us to have to listen to that POS dickaletti year after year..... now after a year of quite possibly one of the worst sports related shows of all time (the Sucky Show with superman’s Son) we have to listen Anson Friggin Carter for 41 games!!!! It’s friggin infuriating.

_Arc


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:35 pm EST

Wilson's fine should go to @#mooftoo

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:30 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 4h4 hours ago New York Rangers Retweeted New York Rangers Zucc and Mika will wear As @TheGarden Fast and Kreider will wear As on the road. Staal will wear an A for all games.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:30 pm EST

ColoradoMark.……….there is a time and a place as they say...…...and that applies to goaltending aswell. There has been no better than Hank in close and side to side that I can remember in my life time (possibly Glen Hall). And it's still a viable move today when the puck is in the slot area or being moved quickly ,close to the crease. But,from a draw back to a sniper on the top of the circle or a Dman who has moved in , then you have to be OFF the goal-line atleast. Also ,shots from the points during the PP,with no one to the side. Let's hope that Hank can come up with some kind of Hybrid approach to this and not just sit back on the goal line as soon as the puck enters the zone.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:30 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago "I think because of my upbringing I'm hard working. Growing up with a father who was a cop and a mother who drove a school bus, I think you take those values with you later in life."' Get a closer look at where #NYR Head Coach David Quinn's coaching mindset comes from.

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:29 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 26m26 minutes ago "That's the key to any successful organization, players watch and emulate the players who came before." -#NYR Head Coach David Quinn on the young core of #NYR

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:09 pm EST

My perception of DeAngelo is that he could hardly be bothered with actually playing defense. In fact, if he has an NHL future perhaps he'd end up being a wing. Pionk is a defenseman. I have been impressed by Pionk's positional game and timely moves. His on ice IQ is way above DeAngelo. I do think DeAngelo owns more raw skill but Pionk is safer. I also like Pionk's attitude more. He plays sneaky-dirty. I read somewhere that he led the New York Rangers in hits since his call up last season. But what stood out to me was that game against Edmonton when he was fighting to clear Lucic from the net and he was battling and he moved Lucic out of there. And I remember he got into it with some Flames player who he tangled with. He lifted him up and dumped him. And I think he actually whacked his stick out of the guys hand. I got respect for the guy. He has battle in him. Yeah he is undersized but sometimes its the fight in the dog. I'm hoping that last seasons play wasn't an aberration. And finally he is a righty shot.

E


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:08 pm EST

E Quinn wants the captain to emerge and standup to lead the room....if he see's one .....probably 1 of the 5 will get the c eventually this year.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:04 pm EST

the mighty quinney might name a captain eventually....guess 3 guys wear a's at home, and 3 on road so 1 will be an a most games unless he's rotating that. i don't think eelboy wants to move purple haze unless forced to by contract and cap issues....zucc is going to make it hard for them to trade him....mighty quinney might be mighty unhappy after the deadline if he loses guys he likes.....

stevielegs


Wed Oct 3 2018 4:34 pm EST

RF4L - You are spot on about Krieder's inconsistent physical effort and that he rarely plays mad..When he does, he's a beast..That's what we need...As for a poor man's PF, yeah, I guess....But he's not a typical PF either,,,he can skate and his game HAS BEEN more on the fly...He needs to keep that but needs to get dirty a hell of alot more...Hopefully, the A brings that out..........VIC - Totally agree on PIONK vs DeAngelo..Deangelo does have the sizzle and better moves..but also takes dangerous risks..but Pionk is more controlled and steady and knows what to do on the PP and how to distribute/when to shoot

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 3:30 pm EST

Players Union needs to know that this will be more beneficial to them in the long run.... per John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet ..... Wilson will forfeit $1,260,162.60. The money goes to the Players’ Emergency Assistance Fun.... Wilson. 20 games.... Expect an appeal

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 3 2018 3:18 pm EST

Duguay's replacement.... per Neil Best ‏ Verified account @sportswatch .... Anson Carter is joining @MSGNetworks' #NYR studio team.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 3 2018 3:13 pm EST

RF4L: I know a lot of folks believe that DeANGELO has more offensive upside then PIONK but personally I don't think that is the case. DeANGELO shows more "flash" but less substance. PIONK consistently seems to make the right pass to the right guy at the right time. His instincts for when to jump into the play are much better as well. That is why, IMHO, he racked up points last year and again just seemed to be on the score sheet every game in the preseason this year. I don't know how many games each will play this year but my bet is that points per game and points per 60mins will be significantly higher for PIONK then DeANGELO. And from a defensive perspective there really is no comparison. PIONK is and will be a much better player.

Vic


Wed Oct 3 2018 3:13 pm EST

VIC: honestly, I wore a C for one of my seasons (we changed letters halfway thru the season) and while its nothing like an NHL C I've always believed that Messier created some kind of marketing mythology over the letter. Its an honor to be named captain. And with it you have the right to approach the ref and have an explaination given or a request. Other than that? Whatever. In the NHL you get the additional duty of talking to the media and taking the podium in the playoffs. But, letters are somewhat overrated. You wear it with pride, you wear it with honor. But I swear sometimes New York Rangers fans put far too much a mythic quality to it. And some guys don't do well with it. They're just better served just playing. But I would not be surprised if Shattenkirk will give the most compelling interviews as opposed to CK who will be asked a question and watch him run a pivot table of responses in his head. 22 understands this market and he was always gregarious in St. Louis. Sometimes, the letter doesn't translate well to conversation. Bryan Boyle and Dubinsky was always more interesting then Staal and Callahan.

E


Wed Oct 3 2018 3:05 pm EST

20 games speaks volumes, good job.... jmon

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:56 pm EST

grieve...

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:55 pm EST

20 games for that idiot Wilson. Finally, the NHL shows some guts and fortitude. Now watch the cannibalistic NHLPA grief the suspension.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:33 pm EST

BTW, stating the obvious I guess but with Pionk on the 2nd PP unit clearly DeA is starting the season in the pressbox. I don't like it - he needs to play so I am thinking player moves will occur in the next few weeks.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:27 pm EST

mf: I hope so. We'll find out soon enough I guess!

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:26 pm EST

And for those predicting Staal will soon be in the pressbox, he was the only player given an A for all games. 2 other different pairs get As for home and away. In other words, he's the pseudo-captain and you gotta think unless he really sucks, he won't be sitting in the pressbox as a healthy scratch for quite some time.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:26 pm EST

Agree on the concerns about Henrik playing deeper in net this year. But, that said, our new D structure may let him see more pucks cleanly and playing deeper may help - or not! :)

Ranger47


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:24 pm EST

RF: On CHYTIL: you and I have been leading the charge that this kid needs to keep his head up more, or he's going to Pronger-Land... Well, it seems that he may be addressing that bad habit, and, I notice that he wears his chinstrap relatively tight which is a good thing. (One of the reasons I wanted Hagelin gone was because I felt the day is a coming when he is going to suffer a head injury due to wearing the strap too loose. I like Hags and wish him no harm).....

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:19 pm EST

PP units for now: #1: Z, Kreider, Chytil, Shattenkirk and Buchnevich. #2: Pionk, Spooner, Hayes, Vesey and Zuke. Interesting Vesey is on the 2nd PP unit. I like it. DQ clearly giving him the opportunity to move up the lineup. I hope Vesey runs with it - he offers something no other current forward has, save for Kreider and perhaps Howden: Size, mobility and the willingness to go to the net. If he can start to score with some regularity using those attributes he will become a very key member of this club IMO.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:13 pm EST

RF: with Kreider we see what he is, I think on the offensive end he needs to camp out in a short radius around the net and bang-em home.... You can't move the guy, he's too strong.. You can't out-skate him for positioning, his reflexes and first step are too quick..... Coaches need to coach the talent they have and get the most out of them..... jmon

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 2:09 pm EST

CMark: Yes, the snipers of the league tend to have a field day with the upper corners when you play that far back... On this one, "In Hank I'll Trust." He knows what he's doing, he'll re-adjust if necessary.....

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:51 pm EST

mf: I'd say Kreider is a poor man's power forward. I say that because while he's big, strong and can skate like a traditional power forward, 1) he's extremely inconsistent physically - he is non-physical far more frequently than not and is a pussycat more often than an angry lion. 2) He has stone hands - a true power forward can actually shoot the puck hard and with accuracy. 3) In part because of 1 and 2, he doesn't produce enough offense - at least 30 goals consistently and upwards to 40 or more is the production I believe a power forward should be generating. Maybe he'll finally make that jump this year under the new regime. I think it's safe to say that if he doesn't what you see is what you get and what we've been getting almost since he became a regular.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:50 pm EST

MF- Exactly, it just doesn't make sense that you play farther back unless your reflexes are superior. But How many goals have we seen him let in where he is in the middle of the crease and fanning at the puck (or not seeing it). I was a butterfly goalie with a penchant for letting in the five-hole goal, but I liked coming out and cutting down the angle. I was a reflex/butterfly goalie but hardly had the physical ability to tempt fate that way.

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:44 pm EST

CMARK: I can see hugging the post when the play is to the side, but as the puck / play moves East / West in front of the Goalie, I think its imperative that the goalie move in an arc away from the goal line to the center of his crease and back again..... Geometrics ;-)

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:43 pm EST

And despite the way Hayes changed his game for the team and his public comments this pre-season, making ZBAD one of the A's indeed may be a sign of what many think--HAYES is a goner and the Rangers belive in ZBAD as their top dog..But again, alot can change in 4 months

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:39 pm EST

About the captaincy, FAST deserves the A....and all i can say is I hope ZBAD takes it seriously and changes or adds to his game for the team

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:35 pm EST

Newfie- I'm also a little skeptical on Hank returning to the goal-line positioning. That is a young man's venture for sure. It relies on reflexes. I don't see how at his age he (and our goalie guru) think that is a good idea. But Allaire is a proven goalie whisperer, so I'll withhold judgement for now.

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:34 pm EST

Enigma?

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:34 pm EST

rf et al: how would you describe Kreider? t/y

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:33 pm EST

Friggin Texas Pick-em Game is rigged....

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:31 pm EST

mf: Kratsov is not a power forward. He's big and skilled but more finesse from what I can see. That said, he's not afraid of going to the net and high traffic areas. If he realizes the potential I see in him, he'll one day be a Ranger first line scoring winger.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:18 pm EST

So as for the Texas Pick'em Pool it appears that we have one question answered so far. While that answer won't be set in stone until tomorrow night it looks pretty clear right now. HOWDEN will be in the lineup and will be the Rangers 4th line Center tomorrow night. And that means EVERYONE got it wrong....:-) The other question that will be answered tomorrow night is the number of rookies in the lineup if LETTIERI, GIORGIEV, HOWDEN and CHEETOS are all dressed then it will be 4. If McCLOUD is in for LETTIERI then it will be 3.

Vic


Wed Oct 3 2018 1:15 pm EST

E: I suspect that is why they all have an "A" and nobody has a "C". The Rangers either don't believe they have their captain of the future on the Roster right now, or they don't think he is ready yet. More likely it is the former.

Vic


Wed Oct 3 2018 12:36 pm EST

So you have the quiet hard working Quickie who just outworks everyone. The mercurial over analytical stiff. A fan favorite who is soon to be traded. The guy who they desperately want to be that elusive first line center but is made of glass. And the fossil who is an A because it would be disrespectful to take it a way. It’ll be interesting to see how it all flushes out.

E


Wed Oct 3 2018 12:15 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers Follow Follow @NYRangers More #NYR will have five alternate Captains this season! Chris Kreider Jesper Fast @MikaZibanejad @zuccarello36 Marc Staal

RDW


Wed Oct 3 2018 12:14 pm EST

LOL: Patrik Laine on Vancouver’s decision to ban video games on the road: “They need something to blame after last year.” #NHLJets

RDW


Wed Oct 3 2018 11:49 am EST

RF4L - The thing is, if you want to gauge what the Rangers might get for HAYES, maybe think around what the Ranges paid for Staal--two second rounders and a pie in the sky prospect..That will do little...but a re-signed HAYES, IFFFF he continues improving, will do a hell of alot more along with what you can get for three years of ZBAD...Or, if ZBAD becomes that big, fast all around, good at ES center, then maybe you keep both? we'll be a big thing to watch the next four months

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 11:32 am EST

RF: we have Kravtsov coming up the Pyke one of these years, isn't he supposed to be a physical wing? I pray we don't shit the bed with that pick....We can pick up a journeyman along the way to add grit..... jmon

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 11:24 am EST

mf: Maybe Z would fetch the Aves' first - it wouldn't fetch Ottawa's first, unless of course Ottawa surprises everyone and does reasonably well. Whether it's Hayes or Z who gets moved I am hoping coming back will be a young top 6 physical winger. To me right now that's the organization's biggest shortcoming at this point.

rf4l


Wed Oct 3 2018 11:12 am EST

MF - All i know is that he will fetch a hell of alot more than two months of HAYES will and HAYES is the more healthy, better all around player even if the Ranges have to pay a little more to lock him up long term...And the Rangers have two young centers who they think are top 6 offensive players and who they are betting their future on..Now, none of this is set in stone..need to see what transpires over the next four months and how HAYES and ZBAD really fits what QUINN wants to do..

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 11:02 am EST

Hospo: what return are you expecting in trading Z'Bad? Thinking out loud, I don't see us getting a Center with a higher ceiling and I'm not yet convinced that our talent at center is good enough to move Zbad..... Would the AV's trade us Ottawa's 1st round pick in a trade with Z'Bad? That type of move continues the rebuild along the youth a bit more aggressively. What frightens me about that is that we'd be at the luck of the dice and we have OTBG (off the boardie Gordie) to overcome too.... I like moving Zucc, Namestnikov, Smith, maybe buyout Staal, holding on to Zibanejad, accumulating picks and prospects, and then shop the UFA market...... Guys like Stone and Panarin will push other guys down the lineup where they can excel..... jmo snatcherally

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:46 am EST

I think Zucc will be traded at the deadline due to his contract and his age.... Unload one of Spooner and Namestnikov and that another $4mm and $8.5mill has just been cleared..... Unload Brendan Smith and another $4.35mill gone.... That's $12.85 mill gone, with the opportunity to amass picks and or prospects.... Next years free agent class is interesting, anyone in the mood to go shopping? Mark Stone and Artemi Panarin will each be 27.... https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2020

mf


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:37 am EST

RF4L - They will "suck"..but not bottom five suck (nor the worst team in the League like they were last spring)..6-15..So many questions on all the D-men, the lines..hell, everybody will determine the degree of suckiness/competiveness.....HAYES, the best center on the team, is gonna have a huge year as a player and a leader...and hopefully convinces the Rangers he is the guy to sign and keep (they wont get much in a trade at the deadline other than a few picks that could help in 2023-24) and ZBAD is the one to trade (get a much, much higher return)..But all that remains to be seen

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:27 am EST

RF4L: I happen to feel the same way about the team and what I think will happen. However, any success that I see them having I believe will be short lived. Why? Because MZA and HAYES are going to be traded by the deadline. I am 100% certain of it. So two guys who I expect will be a big part of any success that the team has this year are going to get moved. Along with others most likely. So while I do believe this team is better then last year's team right now. By the end of the year they may be worse. Only time will tell. Right now I'm predicting about 85 points.

Vic


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:22 am EST

So lots of doom and gloom in terms of Ranger fate prediction for this season, almost to the point where it's universally thought the Rangers will suck. What isn't agreed upon is to what state of suckiness they'll be. I find it interesting in that it differs dramatically from what was being predicted this time last year. Did the Rangers lineup change that much from last fall to this fall and to that negative extent? Or is this more of the sheep mentality continually see with so called media experts? Offensively, gone are Grabner, Nash and DD - a total of 25+18+6=49 goals. Carey scored 7 and McD 2, so that's 58 goals. Does the current edition of the Rangers not have the talent to make up for that? I'd argue they do. And if DQ gets through to his team, defensively they'll be better. Bottom line is I think there's a distinct possibility this team will fare considerably better than most people believe. Of course, if Hank stinks, it likely goes out the window...

rf4L


Wed Oct 3 2018 10:05 am EST

E - Lets see if that "relentless" from Littieri can stick in the NHL regular season like it didnt last year...He has his opportunity..Agree about the changing of the environment like in the 2005-06 season..Yeah, the team was mainly finesse Czech/Slovaks (about 10 guys) but it was guys like Moore, Ortmeyer, Hollweg, and Betts that brought fresh air to the team...The new guys this year are much more talented..Hoepfully thay show the same drive as the lunch pail kids form 2005-06 and it is passed along

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:42 am EST

Howden is interesting. He did almost crack TB’s lineup last season out of camp so who knows. To me he looks pretty ready to play a solid and smart game. We will see. Also remains to be seen if Lettieri has the majority and the ability to stick. The thing with a guy like Lettieri is he plays so hard and so relentless he’s like Fast. It’s just hard to sit him down because it seems like every shift is fruitful. He just grinds and wins all the little battles. This is gonna be one of the most interesting seasons since the post lockout where a bunch of upstarts with veterans powerwashed the rotten stench in the locker room and restored dignity to this franchise. Now? They don’t need to restore the dignity, they need to grow into winners. Prepare for tough nights my friends.

E


Wed Oct 3 2018 9:12 am EST

RF4L - I liked all his attributes but didnt think he would be ready after 5 years in the WHL and the last playing agasint all younger kids..But..he playedc well andearned it in camp

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 8:50 am EST

Hospo: Here's why I thought that: He's got tons of WHL seasoning. He performed well in an all-around way for Team Canada at last year's WJC (the only time I saw him play before this pre-season). He looked very strong in the little TCT stuff I saw. He clearly progressed in effectiveness as the preseason rolled out to the point where in his last game he really stood out. All that said, as we've seen time and time again, young players can impress in preseason only to be quickly overwhelmed once the regular season begins and all the big boys are wearing their big boy pants. It happened last year to Chytil, although there is a significant difference between Chytil and Howden. Chytil looked like a kid and was built like a kid and was in NA for the first time. That he struggled early almost made sense. It'll be very interesting to see how Howden fares.

rf4L


Wed Oct 3 2018 8:43 am EST

RF4L - Congrats! Bt the onne that really deserve kudos for that one is E, he's the one that I remember stating HOWDENS's readiness may, many times...Not that it matters, I like Howden's game alot and hope he is here to stay..Might play bigger if Mcleod or smebody like him was on his line instead of Namestnikov

Hospo


Wed Oct 3 2018 8:18 am EST

BTW, I'm patting myself on the back because I predicted Howden would be a camp surprise and make the team. So there ya go - I'm brilliant!!

rf4L


Wed Oct 3 2018 6:31 am EST

To prove that they are rebuilding, they won't rush them....

kitchen1


Wed Oct 3 2018 5:54 am EST

I’m not so sure 21 will last the season without being sent down. Unfortunately the nyr will rush kids to prove they are rebuilding.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:34 pm EST

RF4L - The Ranger 21's that lasted and come to mind are Stemmmer and Stepan ..Hopefully HOWDEN has at least as long a Ranger career as those two!

Hospo


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:40 pm EST

rF4l....oh, and I forgot to mention that Howden has switched to #21.....just sayin' (lol)

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:36 pm EST

rF4L...….thank you.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:28 pm EST

Newf...now that's a more important thought!!!

rF4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:16 pm EST

Apparently old Hank is going back to his "playing on the goal line days". Heaven help us. This scares the shit out of me ,I thought he was over that crap. Anyway for Hanks sake and the team,I hope it works but let me go on record that if it doesn't work I'll be the first to tell you all...."I told you so ".

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:06 pm EST

Hospo: Semi-high. Here's the thing: He's been around for like 5 years and did have a stint with the Leafs a few years ago. He wasn't very good to the point where, because the Leafs were tanking (never admitted to of course) and Babcock's first year as coach. James Reimer was their number 1 goalie (yikes) backed by Jonathon Bernier. Reimer got hurt late in the season so Bernier took over - this was the same year Bernier crumbled under Babcock's harsh style to the point where he spent 'conditioning' time in the AHL. Somehow, Bernier rediscovered his game late in the season (after Reimer got hurt) to the point where he was keeping the Leafs in games when they were clearing heading towards last place overall. Sparks got called up as backup and did not do well. Bluntly put, he sucked. Guess what? Babcock with like 10 games left in the season and with last place overall looming played Sparks in every 2nd game this despite Bernier standing on his head. Now you can look at that in 2 ways: Seeing if Sparks has the goods or looking to help finish last. You know Babcock would never admit to option 2. Anyways, he's not had a sniff since, until now. He did do well last year in the AHL, winning the best goalie nomination. I saw him twice in pre-season and he looked like he did 3 years ago. Not sure what the Leafs are thinking of course but their decision, I think, was a calculated gamble: Given Sparks' age and great year last year, the chances are far greater he'd be snagged on waivers vs McI. It didn't work out. If Sparks flounders when he gets to play, it'll be a HUGE fandom issue around here given the departure of McI and Pickard....

rF4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 7:16 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/10/02/rangers-preview-what-fans-see-will-only-be-half-the-project/

mf


Tue Oct 2 2018 6:27 pm EST

TDCHI - The lack of size in the top 9 was obvious months ago and Gordo did zilch about it..and could be a huge problem even with a bigger defense if McQuaid and SMith are playing..Of course, I also disagree on the lines!..There is potential in the 1st line IFF ZBAD is serious about playing a complete game and you can get some kind of smarts and consistency out of the pouty BUCH..Both possible..Where we really disagree is on the CURRENT 2nd line...SPOONER is way too inconsistent and mild to be a good linemate for CHYTL IMWO...I see some hope with the HAYES line though..As for the 4th line, not sure what it's supposed to be.....I could see Littieri and Howden together..Just don't see a fit with the often invisible Namesnikove who needs others to do the work for him....But I do like the D better than I though I would..Oh well, we'll see.....

Hospo


Tue Oct 2 2018 5:46 pm EST

Heard that Vancouver is gonna loan GAGNER to a Toronto-area AHL team so he can be close to his family...here’s another guy I just don’t get. He’s still in his prime. He’s a SOLID player. Easy guy to drop on a wing and watch him produce. Yet one team after the next just keeps passing. I would have claimed him and slotted him on second line.

tdchi


Tue Oct 2 2018 5:44 pm EST

Hospo - they were/are. But SPARKS also has a habit of wilting pretty badly...and McE was just a solid backup. Sort of in the vein that TALBOT was for us way back when. I’m sure they figured he would pass through. What they didn’t figure was that DARLING would get injured.

tdchi


Tue Oct 2 2018 5:41 pm EST

I’m not gonna lie: I’m pretty smitten with those lines...all around, a talented lineup. Balanced on all four. My sole concern is size up front...but given the toughness we have on the blue line, I’m not too concerned. This is a quintessential modern NHL team...certainly, there are a TON of question marks...basically one on every line...but it’s the best team we could really hope for without diliberately trying to lose or by rushing guys into the NHL. My take? 85-90 points for the Rangers. No one will pay attention to them until someone looks in the standings in March and is amazed they’re not yet mathematically eliminated...keys to the season will be how this defense does under QUINN and how guys like BUCHNEVICH, HAYES and VESEY respond to what is a huge promotion for all three...ZUCC and KREIDER are in the ‘is what they is’ category and to a lesser extent, Z. I’m excited to see how CHYTIL responds. The cool part is that if he stutters or regresses, there are not two, not three but FOUR centers basically ready to take his place...no pressure guy! I still would have been a lot happier if they had claimed a guy like MATTEAU or McCARRON...it LIPON/RYCHEL...guys who like to mix it up...but I’m happy to see iClod where he is...gonna be a long season and I see these guys taking some pretty bad lickings against teams like Tampa, the Jets and San Jose...but I bet they hang with some of the big boys in the east.

tdchi


Tue Oct 2 2018 5:20 pm EST

RF4L - I thought the Leafs were really high on the young kid they had from the Toronto Marlies last year and that he beat out everybody else???...E- Agree on Namestinky

Hospo


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:55 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun So to recap: still some due diligence to be done on Seattle's part but all is pointing to a full Board of Governors vote on Seattle expansion come Dec. 3-4. Bettman says launch of team in fall of 2020 would be ideal but depends on some factors 4:46 PM · Oct 2, 2018

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:52 pm EST

pj either 25, 50 , or a lifetime, whichever comes first.....thanks to the curse of nosen

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:51 pm EST

I personally believe that Nemo is a short timer in a NYR jersey. I don't see him as a 4th liner as things suss itself out. He'll either show that he belongs higher (then his skillset suggests) or he'll be outta here.

E


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:49 pm EST

Yearly pilgrimage to MSG is set. February 8th for the 1994 celebration. Wish Carolina was wearing the old Whalers gear that night.

Bob


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:34 pm EST

Rhet: There's already speculation that the Leafs will reclaim McI when Darling returns. Of course, if McI plays well it could mean their other goalie gets waived. Or Darling for that matter.

rf4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:33 pm EST

Hospo: Yeah, neither Name or Spooner do much for me but at least the latter put up some numbers in pre-season. He just seems invisible and then suddenly, he generates something. Maybe he can work some magic with Chytil with Fast being the defensively responsible one??

rf4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:28 pm EST

OUCH...... Per John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... Pickard to Philadelphia on waivers McElhinney to Carolina on waivers....Darling hurt. Maple Leafs goalie depth gets depleted quickly

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:15 pm EST

Hospo...Does seem like an odd line...I also hope Quinn has Namestnkov and Vesey on a short leash....Neither have earned their spots in my opinion...

PJ


Tue Oct 2 2018 3:10 pm EST

I know I'm supposed to be optimistic and not care because this season doesnt really matter and all that matters is what young kids develop but, is it just me, or does Fast-Chtyl-Spooner seem like a god awful line, eepecially for CHYTL? and does a 4th line with Namestnikov just seem like it will be a waste? Hopefully ANdersson and whoever else doesnt take long to get ready..I would have taken JASKIN off waivers over Namestniknov in a heartbeat..But, I guess QUINN just wants to give these guys time to prove or disprove themselves and there is something to be said for that..

Hospo


Tue Oct 2 2018 2:52 pm EST

Now we celebrate not having won a Cup in 25 years?....WTF

PJ


Tue Oct 2 2018 2:28 pm EST

damn, those Muckler years were dark. rooting for dvorak/nedved/hlavac night after night...man, i would take this rebuild over those years any day of the week, good dialogue...enjoyed the stroll down memory lane,

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Oct 2 2018 2:07 pm EST

I corrected the Tweet. Cyrgalis had the 3rd line listed 4th.... Per Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... "Two days before the opener, #NYR at an early practice: Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich, Vesey-Hayes-Zuccarello, Spooner-Chytil-Fast, Namestnikov-Howden-Letterri (McLeod extra). Skjei-McQuaid, Smith-Shattenkirk, Staal-Pionk (extra: Claesson-DeAngelo)."

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 2 2018 1:54 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Tom Gulitti ‏Verified account @TomGulittiNHL 27m27 minutes ago Caps GM Brian MacLellan said team might not have claimed Jaskin off waivers if not for Tom Wilson's potential suspension and being without him for a while.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 1:53 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello Latest Stanley Cup odds per @BovadaOfficial: Leafs 7/1, Bolts & Jets 17/2, Preds 10/1, Bs & Sharks 11/1, Pens 12/1, Caps 14/1, Knights 15/1 ... your #NYR 80/1.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 1:52 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago On February 8th we will celebrate memories that will last a lifetime. Join us @TheGarden for the 25th Anniversary celebration of the 1993-94 #NYR Championship team presented by @Chase.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 1:48 pm EST

rf4L, E - great points. Wasn't there a disconnect between Muckler and Neil Smith at the time? I also was not a fan of Grandpa Muckler......."To those who follow the Rangers, the problems were clear. Relationships had deteriorated. "Players weren't listening to Muckler," one source said. "They turned him off a long time ago, and Neil and Muckler were barely talking. They battled over Manny Malhotra, and Smith wanted to fire Muckler as far back as November." (source: https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey-oh-baby-ax-falls-gm-smith-muckler-fired-bgy-checketts-1.336606) ...I also think when a Ranger Defenseman, Terry Virtue was called up or about to be, Muckler told the media he didn't know who he was. But I think he had to have just being difficult,

DREW


Tue Oct 2 2018 1:38 pm EST

It's an argument that's based in projections and theory and not fact but AFAIC while the Wizard of Boozy Schnooz did indeed predict accurately the outcome of Saint Manny's career he certainly did all he could do in early in the kid's career to ruin his confidence helping along that prediction. Manny is the posterboy of Ranger mishandling of their youth - there are several other examples of such ineptitude historically with the Rangers but front and center is how they treated him. That Manny forged out a long and reasonable career dispute the shoddy beginnings is a testament to him. To date, his handling vs that of Lias is basically opposite.

rf4L


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:23 pm EST

BLUE: I hear you and second that there were dynamic forces in play. St. Manny had this additional weight. The New York Rangers picked high for the first time in a long time. The fans assumed that they deserved a superstar with that pick. And they were right to want that. Lias, as well is no superstar. That stated, his lack of prowess might be obfuscated by the presence of Chytil who looks to have superstar upside. Best thing that could happen is they finally have what was the promise of Lundmark and Brendl. The all around guy, and the elite guy from the first round to usher in a new level of error...

E


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:21 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger 2h2 hours ago Igor Shestyorkin starts for SKA against his former club Spartak. He's 4-0 this season w/ a current 131-minute shutout streak. #NYR 1 reply 11 retweets 29 likes

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:21 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago "I like their work ethic and I like how coachable they have been up to this point. They all seem to be pulling in the same direction and the right direction." Coach Quinn on what he's learned about this #NYR team so far

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:19 pm EST

HOSPO: got you, I see the point now. HUGHES? If this season was as painful as it would be in order to have a shot at Hughes that would suck and be glorious. As I think the New York Rangers deserve a kid like that. The NYR youth core would be one of The envy’s of the league. Sadly or actually not so sadly though, while I think there will there will be tough nights to come this team ain’t gonna be as bad as some dread. I see at least on paper a bubble team. An outside chance of making the playoffs. There is a lot of vets with big game experience and not a lot of miles/kilometers on the clock. And some kids who definitely are on the border of being something greater. Such as Buchnevich.

E


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:18 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 1h1 hour ago Leafs lose both goalies on waivers: McEhillney claimed by Carolina and Pickard by Philly

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:18 pm EST

lol

kitchen1


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:17 pm EST

list otbg will ignore..... Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Corey Pronman ‏Verified account @coreypronman 55m55 minutes ago Here are the 28 players NHL Central Scouting have classified as first round prospects early on this season

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:05 pm EST

@kitchen....GFY you simple minded man

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Oct 2 2018 12:04 pm EST

Sorry, let me clarify. I meant that Lias will/is dividing the fanbase much like St Manny did. Fans want a top 6 given draft choice. Its a lot of pressure for a young man. I personally think he is worlds apart from St Manny.

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Oct 2 2018 11:42 am EST

I know there aren't a lot of Muckler fans here and criticized him when he told the press they had Manny Malhotra overrated. The Wizard of Schnoz actually nailed Malhotra's ceiling as a 3rd line center.

DREW


Tue Oct 2 2018 11:26 am EST

My impressions so far of the mighty Quinney is he’s not idiotic or clueless. And he’s not pc. I just hope he can stay away from chewing gum. But there is no doubt he’s in charge not a captain or any players or coaches. As an aside as I watched most of last night’s stream of the 3 , sather,gorton,and Quinn, fishboy looks like he walked into a wall face first, as in pie face. And they left no doubt as to off the boardie gordie , with his band of gypsies , is the guy deciding on draft picks.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 11:17 am EST

BASEMENT BOUND NYRS: https://www.hometownlife.com/story/sports/hockey/2018/10/02/usa-hockeys-jack-hughes-viewed-future-nhl-superstar/1445201002/

schneidw


Tue Oct 2 2018 11:07 am EST

E - While there is a world of difference between how St. Manny was handled and now how the Rangers are handling ANDERSSON (and that's a good thing)..I think BLUEBLOOD was mainly talking about the drafting position of the player..and maybe the potential ceiling....Malhotra was drafted that high because he was seen as a fast, tough, high character two-way player who's offensive stock really rose after a great performance in the Memorial Cup....There are some similarites in why they drafted Manny and Lias where they did..even if LA's skill level is higher....Malhotra's development was a disaster in NY, there's no knowing if his offense could have been better with more patience or he just turned out to be what he always was going to be...Luckily, with ANdersson, it looks like the Rangers are giving him every chance in the world to develop his entire game and we'll see what we get......Maybe the one being rushed like Malhiotra is HOWDEN? Just kidding...

Hospo


Tue Oct 2 2018 11:02 am EST

lots of idiot calling...... try clueless .....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:55 am EST

Kitchen1: your response is idiotic. Chill. Its a fair and reasonable question and comparison... Both drafted 7th overall, both 2 way centers, both w leadership qualities..

schneidw


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:36 am EST

E …..I have to agree with you on that one.No comparison.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:14 am EST

Well maybe he was vut I don't think quite like you've taken it...

RF4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:13 am EST

E...well said. Kitchen1...calm down dude. Blueblood asked a question; he didn't make a definitive proclamation.

RF4l


Tue Oct 2 2018 10:07 am EST

Manny and Lias comparison? Seriously, you are out of your fucking mind!! Either you have far too much time on your hands or you are an idiot.

kitchen1


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:45 am EST

I can find virtually no parallel between St. Manny and Lias. St. Manny was rushed because the NYR had no depth. Lias is being developed because they have the luxury of depth. Think of this. Zibanejad is made of glass. I wouldn’t be surprised if he went down by December. Lias would be recalled and play the 3 Center spot. If he plays well? Then they have options with Hayes. If not? Then he gets more time in Hartford. He is close. Right on the edge. I don’t see where he fits as currently constructed. Not to mention that there is no guarantee that Howden will be able to nail down his spot. None of this remotely resembles what happened to Malhotra who was forced to play in over his head, got jerked around, and ultimately wilted under the pressure of being “the prospect” on a team with nothing. Lias is part of “the future.” Huge difference.

E


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:38 am EST

Blueblood: Do you think he's like Malhotra in that he has the same skill set and ceiling?

RDW


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:17 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 46m46 minutes ago #NYR working this morning before the Golf Outing this afternoon.

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 9:13 am EST

Lias Anderson is the new Manny Malhotra. HIs perceived trajectory divided the fanbase like no other player. Perhaps it was a matter of just how barren the pipeline was at the time and the fact that he was considered the snag in a potential deal for Bure (while he was with Vancouver).

bLUEbLOOD


Tue Oct 2 2018 8:46 am EST

Sorry guys I asked this yesterday. Is anyone attending the Golf outing today? I cant find any information on-line. If so, how can I get involved?

DREW


Tue Oct 2 2018 7:21 am EST

“There were times I took one more step forward than I probably should have in trying to be aggressive, those changes weren’t natural. That took me out of my comfort zone,” said Lundqvist. “I probably tried to do too much. By doing that, I kind of lost my game plan. “I need to play to my strengths. Looking at it over the summer and talking about it with [goaltending coach] Benny [Allaire], I’ve used this training camp to go back to my roots by being patient, playing deep in my net. It’s what I trust. It’s my game. It’s who I always was as a goalie.”

stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 7:02 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 12h “We like to think the next time he comes up he’s never going down again.” #NYR GM Jeff Gorton on Lias Andersson developing in Hartford playing top minutes.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 2 2018 6:25 am EST

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stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 5:38 pm EST

Irving moofboy you want funnier?

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 5:00 pm EST

Lars-Erik Sjoberg award https://tenor.com/view/animal-house-food-pop-punch-spit-gif-5347953

mf


Mon Oct 1 2018 4:58 pm EST

TD: Yahoo say's, "The Password is, Hogwash!" ;-) @#mooftoo (that's funnier than anything Legs said)

mf


Mon Oct 1 2018 4:24 pm EST

Hospo - LOL! Sorry, I should have annotated! mf - #mooftoo

tdchi


Mon Oct 1 2018 4:15 pm EST

Intersting: Lias ANDERSSON was awarded the Lars-Erik Sjoberg award for the top rookie in camp, as selected by the media.

tdchi


Mon Oct 1 2018 3:58 pm EST

This day and age and you guys are Gropping hockey players.. despicable

mf


Mon Oct 1 2018 2:53 pm EST

Aside from the fact we have not seen this team play a real game yet, trying to guess our point total for the year is a real crap shoot. My gut tells me that this team can garner somewhere in the low 80s as constructed, but they'll probably trade away some pieces at the trading deadline resulting in more like a 78 point total for the year. Just hope they show progression and make most games at least entertaining....

Ranger47


Mon Oct 1 2018 2:29 pm EST

Yeah...make or break year I think for Gropp, just like last year for Tambellini. Drafted primarily for his offense, he's gotta start showing some progress or time to cut bait!

rF4l


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:37 pm EST

RF4L - fingers crossed with GROPP. Like I said, I didn’t think he had a bad camp at all. Not close to making the NHL, but he showed me some flashes of what he could be. Hard to believe he just turned 22 too...but without a doubt, it’s make-or-break for him. The good news for him is that they didn’t draft anything in the way of forwards...and really, the only guys who might be breathing down his neck next year are in Europe...that’s VIRTA, LAKATOS and PAJUNIEMI...KRAVTSOV I doubt will spend a game in the AHL...nevertheless...if he has another 20-point season, I would bet the Rangers move on from him...but I could see him having 25-plus goals and maybe 40 or 50 points depending on how they use him. He’ll have to fight for top six minutes.

tdchi


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:34 pm EST

TDCHI - I think I agreed with you also..but not sure..when i was done reading after 25 minutes, I forgot what the hell I just read!

Hospo


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:22 pm EST

TOM WILSON: There are so many things wrong with this blind side hit considering his cheap shot history... enough already.. 10 game suspension is the only remedy. https://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/09/30/tom-wilson-ejected-for-high-hit-another-suspension-coming/

schneidw


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:19 pm EST

LIAS ANDERSSON: I don't see how some Wallsters claim that Lias was a reach at #7 whatsover... he has drawn comparisons to fellow countrymen Henrik Zetterberg and Peter Forsberg whom did not make their NHL teams until Age 22 and 21 respectively.... Factor in Lias' father was drafted by Quebec Nordiques and NYRs simply took the best available player overall..... a leader, a rink rat, a solid 2 way player... its not all about scoring goals...... Player development takes time.... How many young careers have been ruined by teams rushing them to the NHL when you are simply not ready?

schneidw


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:12 pm EST

Hello folks. Long time no annoy! But I'm still here. Hope everyone is well. My NYR season outlook: yikes. 80 points? As long as we're pointed forward I'll take it. LGR and of course LG the 'mighty' Los Angeles Dodgers!

Nick


Mon Oct 1 2018 1:07 pm EST

TD: LOLOLOL...well if it makes you feel any better I actually agree with you this time. In recent years not so much and their pathetic record over that period wasn't an accident. There is indeed some good talent on the Pack this time around and a strong season had better be the result. Wouldn't it be nice if Gropp takes a step?

rF4l


Mon Oct 1 2018 12:35 pm EST

For those of you who have learned to ignore my like-clockwork posts about how great the Pack will be this season, fair warning: move to the next post immediately...but there is A LOT to be excited about in Hartford, which basically caught a huge windfall from he Rangers’ reboot last season...let’s start with the middle. Say what you will about Lias ANDERSSON, but Hartford hasn’t started the season with a pivot of his strength since J.T. MILLER was a rookie. CHYTIL helped on and off last season, but he’s nowhere near the two-way player Andersson is. That’s a big deal for the Pack. HOLLAND will be a fine number two center, with FONTAINE and FOGARTY as three and four. NIEVES will likely displace Holland or Fontaine, who I can see moving to the wing. That is A LOT stronger up the middle than in previous years...next, the D. I can’t overstate this: A HUGE problem for the Pack has been D and a lack thereof. The D has made their average goaltending look very subpar...not any more. HAJEK-LINDGREN is an NHL pairing. Both are on the verge or perhaps ready for the show. That is a shutdown pairing...DAY is another...to have that size and speed back there is just awesome...and the you have the odds and ends of GILMOUR, one of the fastest guys in the AHL, BIGRAS, who while he’s probably not NHL-caliber, is a very good defenseman in his own right...and PEDRIE, who despite being pretty far down the depth chart is no slouch...and of course, O’GARA and CRAWLEY...this is the strongest I’ve seen the Pack D since McDONAGH was back there to start the season way back when...this is huge for them, because it really takes the pressure off of the netminders...which brings me to my next point: MANZANEC-TOKARSKI is probably the best tandem in the AHL right now, save for the one in Philly(HART-LYON)...this is another huge bonus for a team that has struggled mightily in net...and then the rest. I don’t need to tell anyone about Ty RONNING...with this team’s speed, I see a very good season ahead of him...GETTINGER brings size and snarl, especially if he’s on a line with Fontaine, who is a player that loves to hit...I don’t see a lot of minutes ahead for Dawson LEEDAHL, but he’s another to watch, who likes the rough stuff...MESKANEN impresses me. And he’s the kind of player who I believe will thrive in what looks to be a team with lots of wheels...another guy I have a feeling who will do well with the improved team is Ryan GROPP...it’s a big year for him because the fresh talent is pushing players like him pretty far down the depth chart...but I actually liked what I saw of him in pre-season play...the kid has wheels and is a big body. He had 14 goals in his rookie campaign...I could see him topping that easily with a capable center...and then the vets...I already mentioned Holland...I would wager he is moved once Nieves comes back and especially if HOWDEN or CHYTIL end up taking a trip back down...I think they’ll try to trade BELESKEY once he’s healthy rather than send him down...but BUTLER is a great add for them. He is an AHL all star for sure. Probably good for 50-60 points...and Cole SCHNEIDER, who unfortunately has hands of stone, is also an adept AHL scorer. This is going to be a fast, tough and ultimately hard opponent to face this year. I predict they not only make the playoffs for the first time since 2015, but will go deep. The key will be whether the Rangers play well...if they don’t and there’s another sell-off in February, the Pack could end up losing three or four crucial players(i.e. Andersson, Hajek, and Lindgren), which couldngum things up for them. But with the roster they have, I’m pribably gonna take the plunge and order the AHL streaming package!

tdchi


Mon Oct 1 2018 12:19 pm EST

"Practice and video are important, but you can only get something down by working at it in games.” Quinn is not attempting to reinvent the wheel in his first season as an NHL head coach. The forecheck — essentially first forward on the body, second on the puck, third to read — seems relatively standard, though of course with wrinkles. The same generally applies to the 1-1-3 approach in the neutral zone where the Rangers will attempt to aggressively angle the opposition to New York’s strong side. “It’s not just taking angles, it’s taking good angles,” Shattenkirk said. “There are habits that creeped into our game that need to be changed. There’s a lot of detail here. We need to pay attention to it. The system can make it easier, but it’s on us to perform.”

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 12:04 pm EST

PJ - What they also lack, given the line assignments, is a shut-down or defensive-minded line to play against SOME other top lines.If FAST was playing with HAYES, you might have that...Sacrificing it for offense, at least at the start..But the lines will likely be fluid..

Hospo


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:52 am EST

Shocking that McLeod is back and made the team....Hopefully Belesky is considered when he is healthy...Rangers biggest issue is they lack a shutdown pair on D....The oppositions first line and highly skilled players will feast on the Ranger D.....Taking penalties will cost us games for just this reason....

PJ


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:42 am EST

Veenyo get a job or just milking the nyr contract? Maybe a chewing gum commercial?

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:23 am EST

Alain Vigneault’s system did not hold back the Rangers in 2014, 2015 or 2016. That should be made clear. But as the team’s circumstance changed, as certain players began to decline, the system remained essentially the same. Coaches, every bit as much as athletes, have a responsibility to adapt. There wasn’t a whole lot of adapting from behind the bench the past couple of years as the team broke down repeatedly in defensive-zone coverage and in its ability to coherently clear the zone. “It’s not whether a system is good or bad, it’s whether a system is right for a particular team,” Henrik Lundqvist said. “I think this way protects us a little bit more if we’re not all at the top of our game. The old way was really good when we were winning every battle, but there could be a lot of confusion playing our man-on-man when we lost them.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:22 am EST

“Checks and balances is probably the best way to put it,” Kevin Shattenkirk said following Sunday’s practice, as he gave a broad-strokes explanation of David Quinn’s scheme. “If one guy gets beaten, the layers we have in the defensive zone should be able to compensate for that, not that you ever want to lose too many of your own battles. “In the system that we had here last year, there was more chasing to create outnumbered situations and a lot of times we were spread out more and exposed more. Now it’s more of a five-man unit where we’re closer together and have more support. That should benefit us getting out and through the neutral zone with a quicker, better-paced transition as opposed to last year where we were looking for a lot of long passes, high flips.”

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:21 am EST

Management and coaching staff are deciding whether to go with three full-time alternate captains or four (two at home, two on the road). Marc Staal and Mats Zuccarello are the incumbent letter wearers. Jesper Fast, Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Shattenkirk, Adam McQuaid and Brady Skjei are contenders. … Brandon Crawley (abdominal strain) practiced with the club before he was assigned to AHL Hartford. … Blueshirts are off Monday. They will practice Tuesday morning in advance of their alumni golf tournament that was rescheduled following a weather-related postponement a few days before camp commenced.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:20 am EST

Irving moofboy 3 way traderator read ..."There is no need to recite the particulars. Smith played as if an imposter wore his skates through much of 2017-18 that included stretches of healthy scratches — beginning with Game 3 of the season — and an earned February demotion to the AHL. The beauty, though, is that Smith put 2017-18 into his rear-view mirror the minute the season ended. His offseason work formed the foundation off of which he clearly earned not only a roster spot, but a top-four assignment partnering with Kevin Shattenkirk to start the season."

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:06 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 17m17 minutes ago Tonight we’re hosting RangersTown Hall presented by @Chase for Season Ticket Members with Glen Sather, Jeff Gorton & new #NYR Head Coach David Quinn. Tune in to our live stream to hear directly from the organization about the upcoming season & the next chapter of Rangers hockey.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 11:06 am EST

“To the extent that we had familiarity with one another, I guess, but it wasn’t a major factor as I approached this,” Smith said. “To be honest, it wasn’t as much coach Quinn being here as the fact that any change would have benefited me.”

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 8:54 am EST

Hey guys - quick question - is anyone aware of the Rangers golf outing tomorrow in Westchester? I cant find any info online?

DREW


Mon Oct 1 2018 8:12 am EST

CapFriendly ‏ @CapFriendly .... Today is the final opportunity for clubs to place players on waivers and still have them clear ahead of tomorrow's 5:00pm EST deadline when opening day/cap compliant active rosters are due.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 1 2018 7:43 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph I asked @19Vesey if he needs to spend the next few days building chemistry with his linemate, @KevinPHayes12. "I’ve known him since I was six years old. We lived together last year.'' So, I guess the answer to my question is, um, no, not especially.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 7:42 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie 13h13 hours ago Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NHL Player Safety ‏Verified account @NHLPlayerSafety 13h13 hours ago Washington’s Tom Wilson has been offered an in-person hearing for an Illegal Check to the Head on St. Louis’ Oskar Sundqvist. Date and time TBD. .... Bob McKenzie Retweeted Isabelle Khurshudyan Wilson was suspended on three occasions last season, including a three-game playoff suspension (Game 4-6 vs. PIT in 2nd round) for an illegal hit that concussed and broke the jaw of Zach Aston-Reese...... Elliotte Friedman ‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC Offering Wilson an in-person hearing gives NHL the option to suspend for more than 5 games. Keys to this hearing will be 1) is the head the main point of contact and 2) was it avoidable.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 7:40 am EST

tdchi it's probably considered a common courtesy, similar to offer sheets.....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 1 2018 7:06 am EST

stevielegs - Think you're right: GMs have a gentleman's agreement to keep hands off the waiver wire until the season starts...Curtis LAZAR and Riley BARBER both passed through unfettered. Barber had a hell of a camp and I'm a little surprised the Caps didn't keep him...he would have been a GREAT addition to the bottom line.

tdchi


Mon Oct 1 2018 5:25 am EST

Mr Wilson is really Dennis the menace ....

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 7:55 pm EST

Well the NHLDPS (and I) disagree. He hit the dude in the head from the blind side. Completely predatory and unnecessary. Of course, they won’t throw the book at him like they should. They never do, and the many of these he allowed him to get away with will mitigate his suspension. And even if it was not illegal.........who pulls crap like that in an exhibition game. What an asshat he is.

Bob


Sun Sep 30 2018 7:55 pm EST

RF4L......I know that,LOL……………………...I was just a bit miffed why all these low perfectly good #'s were not being used. Just seems a bit odd to me, no big deal, I guess.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 30 2018 7:45 pm EST

Gordo specials Cracknell and Jooris on waivers, cant be worse then Namestnikov, right..:)...As for the WIlson hit,a bit high...but only because the idiot was bent over and had his head down crossing the middle..these guys think it's a no contact league and dont give it a second thought...and they should

Hospo


Sun Sep 30 2018 7:33 pm EST

Tom Wilson at it again........this time in an exhibition game. What an absolute clown.

Bob


Sun Sep 30 2018 5:18 pm EST

Newf.. Was teasing!

RF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 4:36 pm EST

rhet 24 with crawley

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 2:19 pm EST

RF4L...……..ouch !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 30 2018 1:57 pm EST

Filed under obvious: business class from EWR to SNA is much better then economy.

E


Sun Sep 30 2018 12:27 pm EST

Wolf Pack general manager Chris Drury today announced the following changes to the Wolf Pack’s training camp roster: .....Reassigned by the New York Rangers from the Wolf Pack to Maine (ECHL): .....Goaltenders (2): Brendan Halverson, Chris Nell .....Loaned by the Wolf Pack to Maine (ECHL): .....Forwards (2): Drew Melanson, Jason Salvaggio (pictured) .....Released from training camp tryouts and joining Maine (ECHL): .....Forwards (4): Riley Bourbonnais, Alex Kile, Mike Marnell, Brady Vail .....Defensemen (2): Derek Pratt, Scott Savage .....Goaltenders (1): Connor LaCouvee .....The Pack roster now includes 23 players, 14 forwards, 7 defensemen and two goaltenders: .....Goal (2): Marek Mazanec, Dustin Tokarski .....Defense (7): Chris Bigras, Sean Day, John Gilmour, Libor Hajek, Ryan Lindgren, Rob O’Gara, Vince Pedrie .....Forwards (14): Lias Andersson, Bobby Butler, Steven Fogarty, Gabriel Fontaine, Tim Gettinger, Ryan Gropp, Peter Holland, Dawson Leedahl, Michael Lindqvist, Ville Meskanen, Shawn O’Donnell, Ty Ronning, Shawn St. Amant, Cole Schneider

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 30 2018 12:07 pm EST

OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned Brandon Crawley to @WolfPackAHL

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 12:06 pm EST

What does anyone really expect from off the boardie gordie? He’s the King of the crapshoot !!!!

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 12:00 pm EST

McI on waivers...

RF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 11:55 am EST

Under the file 'a tad more important than Newf's numbers question', the Pack roster firmed up (for now) - looks like a decent team: Goal (2): Marek Mazanec, Dustin Tokarski Defense (7): Chris Bigras, Sean Day, John Gilmour, Libor Hajek, Ryan Lindgren, Rob O’Gara, Vince Pedrie Forwards (14): Lias Andersson, Bobby Butler, Steven Fogarty, Gabriel Fontaine, Tim Gettinger, Ryan Gropp, Peter Holland, Dawson Leedahl, Michael Lindqvist, Ville Meskanen, Shawn O’Donnell, Ty Ronning, Shawn St. Amant, Cole Schneider http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/wolf-pack-announce-roster-moves-10

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 11:39 am EST

Under the file of "not too important" has anyone besides me given any thought as to why some "classic" jersey #'s are not being worn, such as 5, 6, 10,12, 15,16,21 etc ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 30 2018 11:26 am EST

Craig Custance ‏ Verified account @CraigCustance ..... Red Wings make it official. Zadina part of group headed to AHL.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 30 2018 11:08 am EST

RF4L - I actually think Sather/Gorton have done really well with their college UFA picks. Look, you take a guy who was never drafted, the odds that he makes it are pretty stacked...but in this case, both LETTIERI and PIONK look like real good finds...I admit, I wasn't sold on Lettieri the first time I saw him in Hartford. He and PEDRIE had just joined the team, and neither looked too special...he looked A LOT better in camp last season...and when he got a sniff at the NHL, I thought he did a very good job...He started camp this year slow...but talk about a crescendo...man, his last two games were lights out. Just something happening every time he's out on the ice...I don't think he's going to be a top-line player, but he's a very nice add for the third line...PIONK I didn't know much about until hearing teams were interested in him...but man, he's another that's looking like a diamond in the rough...just a very mobile and responsible blueliner...actually, he reminds me a bit of more gentle version of Kevin KLEIN...Every year, there are good players coming out of the NCAA...I mean, some are going to make it...other not...but the league today is pretty much around the level of the AHL...college teams now, as opposed to before, are giving scholarships to players who skated a few years in the USHL or some other juniors league...I know a few kids who were bound for Division I teams and were told to graduate high school and then skate AT LEAST a season in the USHL before coming to school...at any rate...the fact these guys are typically older, means they're more physically mature and they're getting another chance from the scouts rather than being written off at 18 and 19...There's also the cap reality of the NHL...with NCAA producing NHL-capable players, a lot more are getting a crack at a lower line spot...before it used to be if you didn't get signed after college, it was off to Europe or take a longshot chance with skating in the ECHL...nowadays, everyone is getting a shot...teams are looking for that overlooked player...and they're willing to throw an AHL contract at a guy or a two-way NHL contract...let him skate for a season or two and if he doesn't pan out? No big deal.

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:53 am EST

I thoght we were done with prospect stuff! Bring on the season!

Hospo


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:49 am EST

Vic - I didn't on draft day and still haven't seen any pundit call MITTELSTADT a franchise center. Maybe I wasn't following closely enough...but even if there was someone who called him that, they couldn't be anymore wrong...I wanted to get back to my mention that he's not even among the top 10 players to come out of the USNTDP...I mentioned Clayton KELLER as one of those players...Now when Keller was playing in the WJCs, that kid CARRIED the play...He was a kid who was smaller, but just dominated. There were shifts where it seemed like he pretty much just dictated everything. He could hold the puck for hours...Mittelstadt, OTOH, is a guy who pulls a nifty trick on the O-zone and gets a sweet scoring chance...but he's not a guy who elevates the play of those around him...and he's not a guy that can thread together five or six of his nifty tricks to hold the puck like Keller...Good player, yes. FRANCHISE player?! Hell no. He never had that kind of potential.

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:39 am EST

What people seam to forget about Mittelstadt is that at the combine he could not do a single pull up and his strength was suspect. That is why he fell past us at 7. People can debate size and strength all day..but the soft team that we were/are could not take the risk of another figure skater not delivering. Lias was solidly built, gritty and relentless. Which did we needed more. Too early to really assess outcome...

section403


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:35 am EST

RF: Just to be clear, I didn’t compare Lias to McIlrath as players or busts or anything else. I did compare Lias to a long history of the NYR making somewhat odd picks in the first (during those rare times that they actually have one) and mused how I just wish they just went the safe route and took that next guy up. And the reason is because I have no confidence in their scouting for reasons like taking McIlrath when the entire world knew that they should’ve taken Fowler. Totally no brainer. Now, they jumped up in the draft to snag Lias. Not saying that Lias is bad, or a bust, or anything else. It just “felt” desperate to take a guy with universally accepted less upside. And I recall the move being announced and I was like, “yeah, we are getting Mittle” only to have them call Lias’ name. Leaving me with another WTF are they doing moments. And how it’s not a slight on Lias. He might be a great player. He doesn’t have superstar level talents. It’s really okay to point it out. I just see this never ending trend of the New York Rangers defying conventional wisdom and grabbing surprises instead of that guy who is next up. And if it worked out all the time and they had good success because their scouting and forecasting was top notch i wouldn’t question it. But more often then not, they’ve fizzled at the alter. So, a willingness to constantly move off the board a little and ending up with nothing or diminishing returns? It will irk me if Lias becomes this grinder who scores 15 goals a season and plays with tons of passion while Mittle is putting up 80-points. Not saying that’s what’s gonna happen. Just saying that is my nightmare. And I think that lack of confidence is in some ways being echoed here by a lot in other ways. We had a New York Rangers who played some incredible hockey since 2011. Best string perhaps in my life. A virtual renaissance of success. But they fell short with a solid and deep team of grit and grind. With 3-zone ability and a goalie who could be otherworldly. Yet, they were completely absent of gamebreaking ability. From the moment they signed Gaborik to MSL hung it up they never had any other game breaking ability. And while you need lots of glue guys in your lineup. And I think Lias will be a great one. When you are snagging guys that high in the draft and a potential ID superstar is sitting right there? And you grab the gritry yet safe guy and not the high skilled guy? Show me that they know what they’re doing and I’ll tell all the wall to STFU about it. Instead, you will hear grumbles and annoyed people who can’t understand why this has to be so hard.

E


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:34 am EST

RF4L - To me, it seems like QUINN made the right evaluation on the D-men..That being said, I dont think he will go with pairs to sub in..but eiter Drangelo or Claesson will get a shot when one of the others fail or get hurt..It will hapen soon enough...

Hospo


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:18 am EST

RF4L: I haven't decided what ANDERSSON's upside is. When I first made those comments at the draft last year I had never even heard of him, let alone seen a second of his play. I don't scout kids. I rarely even watch any WJC games because non of it means anything until you see them against NHL competition. Not young future NHL players. Grown men playing in the NHL at real NHL speeds. Everything that I said that day and since was based on what the scouts and scouting sites were saying about ANDERSSON and what they weren't saying about him. All I can go by is what the "experts" were saying at the time. And the vast consensus on ANDERSSON was that he was a "safe" pick because he was a defensively responsible player who had some offense to his game. Some liked his offensive game more then others. But most thought he would be a solid NHL player who project to a 3rd line center with the possibility that he could be as high as a 2nd line center. I don't recall a single scout ever saying that he was a potential #1 Center. I don't remember a single scout saying that he had elite offensive skills. All of those things regarding offensive ability (and more) were said about MITTLESTADT. But it was also said that MITTLESTADT was a more risky pick. And I would certainly agree with that. In ANDERSSON the Rangers selected a guy who they thought could compete for an NHL job right away. A guy who would most likely end up being a good NHL player for a long time. That is an excellent strategy when you are drafting in the late first round or in other rounds of the draft. It is a horrible strategy when you are drafting #7 overall and there are kids on the board who have the potential to become elite level players. We can argue about this forever but my answer is never going to change. The right pick at the time was MITTLESTADT regardless of what happens from here with the two players.

Vic


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:10 am EST

que sera sera....lias Anderson won't be a bust, but might not ever be a TOP CENTER or winger .....time will tell....being in Hartford will help him . Howden will probably be sent down this season too. possibly litteri and churtle too....all you rebuilders need patience with these kids as do the nyr ....there's no rush ...they can ice a team with the guys they have until then....the goal should be to get kids ready for the nhl, not rush them .....do what is best for them long term.....or you can create busts......there really shouldn't be any kids in the nhl below 21 which is the legal drinking age in most states and 19 ? in most of Canada.........

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 10:00 am EST

RF4L: BTW, I did some looking around regarding the Rangers selecting ANDERSSON because he was NHL ready. That stuff came out in July of last year in conversations with AV and GORTON. They didn't say it specifically but BROOKS and others wrote that the Rangers hinted from early July that ANDERSSON would potentially be the 4th line Center last year. I remember reading those articles last year. For them to be saying things like that only a week or so after the draft means that they were thinking it when they selected him.

Vic


Sun Sep 30 2018 9:59 am EST

Vic: I know - I just find it astounding that some (yourself included I think) have already decided what Andersson's upside is (3rd line centre). In the end perhaps you'll be proven correct but for me it's way too early to draw such conclusions.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 9:54 am EST

RF4L: Honestly, you can't read too much into what you read on the Internet and especially Twitter. Half of the comments you are are from 12 year olds. Nobody with a brain in their head would label ANDERSSON as a bust at this stage of his career. Or MITTLESTADT for that matter. The time it took for MacKINNON to emerge and reach his potential should give everyone pause from making quick proclamations on anyone being a bust.

Vic


Sun Sep 30 2018 9:14 am EST

Vic: I'm being sarcastic but as TD says, lots of internet noise about Lias being a potential bust. What I do believe and have been posting about it almost since Andersson was selected is that many are making definitive conclusions about the kid's upside (limited) and his sent to Hartford is only adding gasoline to that fire. I mean what the phuck do we know about these kids compared to the teams that draft them? And this situation doesn't exist only with in the fandom world - many in the media are repeating the same stance. I find it ridiculous, near-sighted and very very sheeplike.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 9:10 am EST

RF4L and TD: You guys are making some of the same kinds of statements filled with straw man arguments and hyperbole that you are accusing others of. Where did anyone say that ANDERSSON was a bust? Where did anyone say that ANDERSSON wasn't going to be a good NHL player? From the beginning those of us that argued that the pick of ANDERSSON over MITTLESTADT was wrong were very clear that we thought ANDERSSON would probably have a long and successful NHL career. The issue was at what level. Drafting a guy that projects to be a 3rd line center (with the upshot of maybe a 2nd line Center) with the #7 overall pick when there were players available (especially MITTLESTADT who's "extreme" skill level projected him as a possible franchise #1 Center) is the wrong decision EVERY TIME. That is the entirety of the issue between drafting one over the other. The Rangers may get lucky in the way that it plays out. But making the wrong pick for the wrong reason and having it work out in your favor is luck, not good management.

Vic


Sun Sep 30 2018 9:04 am EST

DQ has his defensemen in pairs so I figure against Nashville it'll be the DeA/Claussen pair that's pressboxed. IMO, DeA shouldn't be pressboxed endlessly so if DQ wants to keep the pairings together, who pair sits for game 2? Pairings are: Staal and Pionk, Skjei and Adam McQuaid, Brendan Smith and Kevin Shattenkirk, and Claesson and DeAngelo. I cannot see either Skjei or Shattenkirk pressboxed so either DQ breaks up those pairings for game 2 or DeA and Claussen sit again. I don't like the 8 d-men situation and cannot see it going on indefinitely so either injuries kick in or a trade gets made I suppose.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:58 am EST

TD: Yeah, forgot about Tippett. Interesting that he was kept around by the Panthers last year for 7 games before being farmed out. This year, he was cut way earlier.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:56 am EST

FWIW, I saw a few minutes of the totally meaningless Leafs/Wings game (Leafs left all their top end players at home) and McI was playing for the Wings and gooning things up. We flipped on the TV in time to see him hand out 3 nasty crosschecks in a scrum behind the net and my wife started yelling 'who's that ugly asshole being a goon - toss him out of the game'. I looked and saw it was McI - LOLOL.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:51 am EST

And on another more serious note, with both Lettieri and Pionk making the club, I believe they are the 1st 2 of the many college and junior UFAs Gorther has been signing for like 7 years to actually make the team (Hayes and Vesey don't count because they were different UFAs) if I'm not mistaken. Finally and how ironic it happens after a bunch of assets were acquired via the more traditional route (the draft). I don't know if Lettieri will stick - he needs to play that in your face, relentless style of hockey to be effective but can he do so consistently? I'm not going to predict he cannot but that isn't an easy style to play game in and game out. Kudos to him if he can and his spot in the lineup is and will be deserved if so. Pionk to me seems a more natural fit - he is surprisingly (for a collegiate UFA) skilled and as impressive as he was in his stint last year, he's looked even better in this pre-season games. His play in camp puts him easily in the top 4.

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:50 am EST

RF4L - I was gonna mention some of those names...TIPPETT, who was one I originally wanted, also got cut...and VILARDI continues to have issues with his back...there's a chance he never makes it out of the gate...in full disclosure, I do recall wanting both guys AND Cody GLASS on draft day...I didn't even blink when MITTELSTADT was picked because back then, he was nothing more than a talented high schooler...I don't remember anyone at the draft intimating that he'd be a future superstar...the legend really was born at the WJCs...which is kind of ironic in and of itself, because ANDERSSON had an absolutely fantastic tourney and was a major reason Sweden appeared in the gold medal game.

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:44 am EST

re: KRAVTSOV - He's playing for one of the worst teams in the KHL. He's on a line with Ryan STOA and some clown I've never heard of before. Four points in 11 games? Not what I would have liked to see...but as a 170-pound 18-year-old playing against men? I'd say that's not too shabby. I frankly wish he hadn't been under contract and could have started the year in the AHL...but I think the pick is fine and his development where he is will also be fine...the irony of me sitting here defending these picks is that I wasn't 'for' any of them...in fat, the only first rounder the Rangers picked that I would have selected where he was picked on draft day was K'Andre MILLER. I was punching the wall over Kravtsov, Andersson AND Chytil...less so much on Lundkvist...but still...

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:40 am EST

Cale Makar, taken 5 overall by the Aves in 2017, hasn't turned pro yet so therefore, didn't attend the Colorado camp. Guess he's headed towards being a BUST, too!!

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:37 am EST

Cody Glass, the guy taken a pick before Lias, is getting sent back to the WHL shortly by the Golden Showers. Another BUST!

rF4l


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:27 am EST

And speaking of which...does THIS sound familiar? Team drafts a talented center...decides he's perfect to take the place of the second line center they traded away...and then LO AND BEHOLD, he's not ready for that role...huh...I honestly feel bad for the kid because fans have such ridiculous expectations for him...His strong start in the NHL is already becoming a curse. Take this Buffalo News story. The lede itself is pretty much aimed at Sabres fans already stepping toward the ledge on MITTELSTADT...The other very interesting part about it is that Housely talks about how Mittelstadt is basically a defensive liability...So the Rangers, who had their eye on CHYTIL, draft the guy who they knew was defensively responsible over a guy who is and will be a work-in-progress in the defensive zone: CLINTON -- What's wrong with Casey Mittelstadt? Nothing really. He's 19. He's played six NHL games. Less than two years ago, he was still in high school. He's supposed to still be on his deep learning curve. So when do you start to worry? Is it even valid to worry about such a player, one drafted No. 8 overall? Expectations soared over the summer after Ryan O'Reilly was traded to St. Louis, instantly anointing Mittelstadt as the Buffalo Sabres' No. 2 center on depth charts everywhere. In hindsight, that was unfairly premature. Mittelstadt had no points in the first eight periods of the Prospects Challenge and has no points in his three preseason appearances. He was blanked again in Tuesday's 4-2 loss to Columbus and the notion that Mittelstadt would start the season as the No. 2 man in the middle already seems to be flimsy. It's far more likely that the lineup used here Tuesday will be what we see on opening night, with Jack Eichel in the top slot and newly acquired veteran Patrik Berglund as No. 2 to give the Sabres a strong two-way player and the kind of faceoff option they need to replace the departed Ryan O'Reilly. It's easy to forget Mittelstadt is just 18 months removed from high school hockey in Eden Prairie, Minn. The tiny Clinton Arena was reminiscent of many rinks in Minnesota, and Mittelstadt apparently took some needling in the Sabres' broom closet of a dressing room when he pointed that out before the game. "The guys were making fun of me for saying it felt like high school," Mittelstadt said after a morning skate attended by about 1,200 fans that included a few hundred school children. "It was obviously cool to see all the fans and things like that." As for the game, Mittelstadt was certainly better than he was in the Sabres' home-and-home series against Toronto. His struggles defensively Friday in Scotiabank Arena prompted coach Phil Housley to drop him a line, and he centered Kyle Okposo and C.J. Smith here Tuesday. Mittelstadt and Okposo had one first-period sequence where they dominated the puck on the cycle in the Columbus zone, and Mittelstadt had a much stronger two-way game overall. "He was very strong and he was explosive tonight," Housley said. "And I really liked Kyle Okposo's game too. He had guys on his back. That whole line was pretty good." Holding his position is key for Mittelstadt. When he gets scattered in the defensive zone is when he finds trouble. "Playing high school I think you can kind of follow the puck around and get away with it -- more than get away with it actually," he said. "For me, there's things to learn and I've always caught on pretty quick and it should be the same way here." "His defensive zone is the one thing I'm worried about," Housley said. "He's got great skill and speed in the way he attacks the game. Just his defensive reads, make sure he clamps down in that zone." The one tough lesson for a young player to understand is that some shifts will be a wash. When nothing is happening, you can't force the action. You simply get off the ice, return to the bench and start preparing for the next one. "For me, that's probably one of the biggest things I've had to learn," Mittelstadt said. "Playing high school, there's always something you can do and a play you can make. Obviously at this level, there's not and you've got to learn that you're not going to be able to be perfect and do something every shift. With every game, every practice, I continue learning."

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 8:18 am EST

Franchise center?!? Serious?!? Look, you guys an say MITTELSTADT was the right pick. You can say he was the safe pick. I won't disagree. You can say he'll be an NHLer. You can say he's going to be a GOOD NHLer...again...NO disagreement. But this business about Mittelstadt being a superstar is unhinged and just not rooted in reality. I've watched plenty of the guy's body of work and there's zippo there to say the Sabres have the next big thing...The most hilarious part about this subject coming up now is that Mittelstadt is having an absolutely awful camp. He went pointless in the Sabres' prospect challenge(their version of TC) and has yet to register a point in preseason...He's lost the second-line center spot that was gifted to him to Patrik BERGLUND, who has spent a career on third line...and there's now a chance he may start the season in Rochester...now by the logic most Mittelstadt fans use with Andersson, Andersson is the future franchise center because he hammered goals at TC and in pre-season...and Mittelstadt is a bust because he hasn't done squat...but this, of course, is stupid...the point here is that BOTH Mittelstadt and Andersson are very good prospects and will likely both have long, good careers in the NHL...as I've said in the past, to compare the Rangers picking Andersson to McILRATH is flat-out stupid. Not even close. One was a pick that was seriously flaw and lacked almost any upside. The other is a pick whose downside is two-way top-nine forward...and incidentally, my fury in this regard is less aimed at the wall and more the Twitt-o-Sphere, where I can't look at my feed without someone verbally felating Mittelstadt and acting like we drafted Adam Goddamn Cracknell in Andersson. It's beyond stupid. Just myopic bullshit.

tdchi


Sun Sep 30 2018 6:30 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 19h19 hours ago Colin Stephenson Retweeted Dom Renna 20-93-89; 26-13-36; 23-72-17; 90-21-95. 8 is the spare. 76-54; 18-44; 42-22; 33-77.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 6:30 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 20h20 hours ago Howden, by the way, wearing No. 21 today.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 6:29 am EST

for the old guys, want to feel older ?..... Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph Sep 29 By the way, Filip Chytil told me he's keeping the No. 72 jersey he's worn since last year. His dad was born in '72, so the number has some meaning to him.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 6:29 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 20h20 hours ago New drill at #Rangers practice today.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 30 2018 2:03 am EST

Ooops..mean BUCH..Like I said..little sense

Hospo


Sun Sep 30 2018 1:57 am EST

well, unless CHYTL plays RW like has had done at times in camp with KREIDER and ZBAD and the Rangers give NAMESTNIKO an unearned shot with FAST and SPponer..THat would make less sense to me..but i'm not the coach

Hospo


Sun Sep 30 2018 1:48 am EST

SOme stuff this weekend from the NYPOST..and none from Larry Brooks but two from a new to me guy named Greg Joyce who I already like better than that Brett Cygalss joker....Anyway.....Good artice about and good stuff from PIONK (https://nypost.com/2018/09/29/young-rangers-blueliner-wants-to-be-dominating-defensively..Onr nice little snippet that might shed light n the operning night defense "Quinn said he feels comfortable with all eight defensemen on the roster and likes each of his defensive pairs — Staal and Pionk, Skjei and Adam McQuaid, Brendan Smith and Kevin Shattenkirk, and Claesson and DeAngelo — that will try to rebound from the unit allowing the fourth-most goals in the NHL last season.".............................A small article today (https://nypost.com/2018/09/30/how-david-quinn-is-pacing-the-rangers-for-opening-night/) mostly fluff....but one little nugget that might mean something about lines....."After getting a maintenance day and not skating Friday, left winger Mats Zuccarello was back on the ice Saturday on a line with Kevin Hayes and Jimmy Vesey.".....just doing a little guessing and knowing the lines could change tomorrow but........Not a fan of pairing the teams two pest passers in MZA and HAYES together..OTOH it does give HAYES a real telented winger to play with like I think he deserves...which would mean the other TOP line would be FAST-CHYTL and likley SPooner..Not sure this is a great line for CHYTL but i dont mind Fast being with him.....and a 4th of Mcleod-Howden-LLIttiieri/Namestnikov..

Hospo


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:25 pm EST

LOLOLOLOL! Who gives a shit if Andersson makes it this year or next year or the year after? If it takes him another 2 years to be ready, how,old will he be?? At the juncture that this team is at, all that matters is that HE MAKES IT and becomes a valuable player. It's a PERFECT time in this team's history to be cautious and have the kid develop at the rate Andersson's mind & body need to be the best he can be. Are we supposed to wrong our hands and gnash our teeth over Kravtsov in the KHL at age what....19? Gimme a break with this Karnack the Magnificent act. This team doesn't need Kravtsov or Andersson right now.

JFC31


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:11 pm EST

RF4L: I can look for it tomorrow if I have time but it was definitely said as one of the main reasons ANDERSSON was taken. It was even said that that they knew he didn't have as high an upside as others they passed up on but he was seen as being able to step in now (last season) because he was physically ready and was solid defensively. Remember, when he was drafted the Rangers still thought they had a team that was worthy of another kick at the can. They knew they were weak down the middle after trading STEPAN. And there is no doubt in my mind that a big part of the reason ANDERSSON was drafted was that they thought he could step in and address that Center depth issue last year. That is why they didn't trade for Center help. They thought ANDERSSON was going to step in and provide the depth they needed.

Vic


Sat Sep 29 2018 9:23 pm EST

Mind you LB is constantly trotting that out so it's orobably true...

RF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 9:21 pm EST

Myth vs fact: Can someone pls post a link where after Andersson was picked one of OTBG or Gorton proclaimed the kid was picked because he was NHL ready? Thatmust exist because it's a comm9n theme I read from the very large Lias Andersson was a MASSIVE gaffe courtesy of a lousy GM. Could be accurate but my aging brain cannot remember...

RF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 5:53 pm EST

And btw EA not making the opening day roster this year (as well as last year) IS a disappointment because THAT was why he WAS drafted where he was. And while Lias was barely a 1/2 ppg player in the AHL last year and only scored a couple in his brief stint up with the big club, Mittlestadt was a ppg player in his coup of tea. And as for the superstar Krapshot is off to a awful start of the season in the KHL and HiS club (who was expecting big things from this kid this year) has been one of the worst performers of the young season (they were expected to be one of the top clubs). So much so that Alex Nun who seems to be the captain of the Krapshot boot lickers club of America is down to talking about how awesome of a checker he is! Yeah that’s what I was looking for with two top10 picks!

_Arc


Sat Sep 29 2018 5:32 pm EST

TD- Yeah says the guy that said VGK were the ABSOLUTE WORST put together expansion team in ALL OF SPORTS. I think you wanted to string up the GM by his short hairs for the shear incompetence. Point is, calm the fugg down with calling people fUckrards etc!

_Arc


Sat Sep 29 2018 5:24 pm EST

MF: and as I stated before I’m giving the current regime a little bit of a free pass. Philosophically speaking I’m more in line with what they are trying to do. It just remains to be seen if it is the template that I always argue for or has the speed and the skill just surpassed it and it’s ineffective. I’m not sure about that because there is a focus on size with the speed and physicality. Right now the management has an inc. to be fair, dumping the team and rebuilding was a ballsy and in my opinion the right move. Totally out of character for the New York Rangers to do. But they did...

E


Sat Sep 29 2018 4:18 pm EST

E: The Rangers are also guilty of not bundling assets that they "should know" are not going to be candidates to make the big club, into additional picks, or moving up in the draft.... We could have done it this past draft.. The NYR Brain trust must capture the opportunities.. TBL owner Vinik does, we must too. end of rant.

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 4:10 pm EST

Houston: Conventional Wisdom need not apply here..... Do you like or drink beer?

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 4:10 pm EST

Vic; you’re 100% right. But it’s like something philosophical more then anything. I hate that the New York Rangers just have this long history of going off the board and taking guys that no one is seeing as conventional wisdom. And it would be one thing if they hit home runs. But the last 20-years when they haven’t pissed away their high picks they’ve passed on the obvious next up guy and went with someone else. Now, so it’s not necessarily about Lias vs. Mittle. That’ll be settled science down the road. I just for once wanted them to pick the next guy up. And of course the greatest example of this failure will likely forever be McILRATH over Fowler. That was a total no brainer. So, let Gorton hit a few home runs, special K, Lias, and a few other hits that I can feel some semblance of confidence that they actually know what they’re doing. It’s like I once said, my father was essentially told last February that the New York Rangers chances of winning the cup again in his life has probably sailed as he doesn’t have too far to go. I’m not blaming the team for that but if you told me in 2018-19 that the New York Rangers are trying to rebuild and despite a renaissance of great hockey that resulted in no cups I wouldn’t had believed it. But yet here we are once again. I just don’t want to be that next generation of guys who age out empty handed. So, I don’t have Gorton, and I want to. But when you leave Mittle and take Lias??? That doesn’t do much much to create confidence

E


Sat Sep 29 2018 3:57 pm EST

Middelstat fiddlefat - Sabres suck!

RF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 3:41 pm EST

ANDREI: Take a second and re-read what you posted. Did you really just say that you are happy that the Rangers used that pick to draft a guy that projects to maybe be as good as a #2 Center by passing on a guy that projects to maybe be as good as being a franchise #1 Center????

Vic


Sat Sep 29 2018 3:39 pm EST

E: Of course MITTLESTADT was the right pick. Some folks are just getting defensive because ANDERSSON is a Ranger now. As I've said before I am rooting for ANDERSSON to be the best player in the history of the game. I want to see him become as good as possible. But the right pick was MITTLESTADT and it was a no brainer. Even if MITTLESTADT flames out and becomes a bust. Even if ANDERSSON goes on to be a stud. At the time with the information that was available MITTLESTADT was the right pick. And I'm not just saying that now. I said it the second it happened and I will repeat it any and every time it comes up.

Vic


Sat Sep 29 2018 1:58 pm EST

How's your Cold Duck? https://www.reddit.com/r/losangeleskings/comments/9jr1oh/whats_going_on_with_gabe_vilardi/

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 1:37 pm EST

Andrei: Lias was supposed to go +10 at the draft. Now someone might’ve been grabbing him that caused Gordo to move up. In fact, that’s likely what happened. But Mittle was the pick from there. Look, the NYR got their guy. He was a little older and that meant he’d be in NY sooner. And he isn’t a slug or a dreck or anything else. He’s a good player. And everybody is a Monday morning QB. This years pick look likes a potential superstar now. Yet, at the draft it was a WTF moment in some ways. Although the talent difference between 8 and 15 wasn’t that Sussex out. Mittle was the right pick. And that has nothing to do with Lias. Lias is gonna be a good player

E


Sat Sep 29 2018 1:06 pm EST

Andrew. Spot on. Ranger fan will eventually love Anderson. Kid is a kid. He will become a good part of the team for a long while

Kis


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:21 pm EST

TD, nice post. Sick and tired of reading about how great Vilardi's, Mittelstadt's are and how Rangers drafted 20 d-man.. Very easy to be an armchair GM. I have said it before and will say it again, 10 times out of 10, you make Andersson pick where Rangers got him. Some one was talking about how it was a crime that we did not draft Mittelstadt. Andersson will be a perfect 2nd line center we have not had in a very long time. I liked Stepan at the begging, but he was just way too inconsistent. I think Andersson will be a much better player.

andrei


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:53 am EST

TD...l9l...you go boy!!! Love it!! Lol

RF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:51 am EST

Re: Cal FOOTE: I had heard he was off-limits from the start with Tampa. Yzerman is/was a very smart GM. He did WONDERS with that organization...but one thing he did very effectively is plan far down the road...when the Rangers dealt McDONAGH, Foote was at least a year, maybe two away from the NHL...but HAJEK was pretty much ready...and if the Rangers weren't so strong on the left, he'd probably be on the team right now...I don't think he was plan B, because I don't think you can really say Foote was plan A, since I don't think Yzerman ever entertained the idea of trading him...he's the guy who will likely replace either GIRARDI or STRALMAN come next season, when the Lightning need to trim cap.

tdchi


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:45 am EST

Here's a grade-A way to determine if the fan/pundit you're reading/speaking to is talking out his/her ass: when they start yammering on about how stupid the Rangers were to not pick Casey MITTELSTADT. Close second is the fan/pundit talking about Mittelstadt like he's the next Wayne F'ing GRETZKY...Straight dope on Mittelstadt: He's a flashy player. He is all pizazz...he OOZES offensive talent. He's got moves up the ying yang and hands that are Charmin-soft. The guy was Mr. Hockey in Minnesota, which is where the legend began...then he hit the ground running in the USHL, which is like the minor league for the NCAA...put up REAL strong numbers...then he crushed his freshman year with an awesome hockey program...but what really did it was his highlight reel plays at the WJCs that really started the legend of Casey Mittelstadt...suddenly, you have all these jackass Monday morning quarterbacks saying the Rangers really shit the bed by taking ANDERSSON, who isn't a flashy player at all...rather than this budding superstar...here's the reality about Mittelstadt: He's a very good player...but that said, in terms of the players I've seen come up in the U.S. program...and I've seen a lot...he's not even in the top 10 over the past five years. Not even close...I mean, he doesn't even have half the skill of someone like Clayton KELLER...Couldn't hold Jack EICHEL's jock...Jack HUGHES as a U18 player is already better than him...In truth, I think a guy like Troy TERRY is probably even a better, more-complete player...and I tell you what, there is no shortage of jackasses that sit there and talk about Mittelstadt like he's the top American player in the world...it's just NOT TRUE. Good? Yes. Sure-fire NHLer. I see him scoring 30 goals in the NHL. Probably will be a 60- point player...maybe a Brandon SAAD-typed...but man...you get these fucktards that get totally indignant every time Andersson misses a pass or shoots wide of the net that will bitch up and down about how great Mittelstadt is having seen a couple highlight reel goals of his and nothing more...So he scored five points for the Sabres...great...yeah, at a point in the season where all the other teams in the league were starting AHL rosters to rest up before the playoffs...He hasn't done squat in camp...actually, has been a defensive liability and, as far as I can tell, hasn't put up much of anything in the way of points. Is he a bust? No, not at all...just a young player who is unrefined and probably needs a few games in the AHL before he's ready to play top six...I can also say this: Right now, the Sabres have Tage THOMPSON playing on a wing with EICHEL and NYLANDER...and REINHART is skating second-ling center...so there's a really good chance Mittelstadt isn't even in the Sabres top six...so yeah, if you're wondering...I'm f'ing SICK of hearing about Mittelstadt and how goddamn great he is.

tdchi


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:18 am EST

Well gang, I for one have no idea how this season will play out. I assume that they will be around .500 and miss the playoffs. They won’t be Ottawa horrible. There will be more protection for Henrik who will face less grade A chances against, the power play should be better. They appear to now, for the first time in 5 years, to be willing/permitted to stand up for each other. On the other hand, I think they will struggle to score goals and they do not appear to be as fast as they have been.

Bob


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:15 am EST

RF4L - Foote is spilt milk..I like Hajek too..Looks real good....The Ranger D will need him in the not too distant future..Hopefully, the swedish kid they drafted will help also..

Hospo


Sat Sep 29 2018 11:06 am EST

Hospi...don't get me wrong; I am impressed with Hajek and believe it's a matter of when vs if he's a regular on the Rangers defense. To me the real question is top 4 vs top 2 potential. Foote is bigger and put up superior numbers offensively last year. I saw him play for Canada in last year's WJC and like Howden while I didn't pay particular attention to him I recall being very impressed. That said because of Chytil I saw some of Hajek in the tourney and was very impressed. He was rock solid for the Czechs.

RF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:54 am EST

RF4L - Hmmmmm..who knows? Let's just hope we got a good one...He's not ready but he showed good signs..And the Rangers will need him....So many questions about the D...Skjei looked as bad in the preseason as last year..Staal is loosing it...The D of DeAngelo and Shatt? Who knows about SMith? McQuaid for only 1 year...Claesson looks meh...There's a chance it all works out and the D ill be fine..but also a good chance it's a disaster, especially if the forwards dnt help...Hopefully they are using this down week to become cohesive..

Hospo


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:50 am EST

RF4L- I wonder the same thing... Seems like TB had some many prospects that almost had to trade a few just because they dont have that many roster spots to fill... I have to think they viewed Foote as an untouchable... RHD are so hard to find...

schneidw


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:49 am EST

VIC: I wonder if Misstlestadt (sp?) is being overhyped based on his great start playing 6 meaningless end of the year games... sure seems like he is a great player... but some of the articles already have him in the NHL hall of fame... all these young players need several years to develop excluding the 1 or 2 elite ones that are obviously a step ahead...

schneidw


Sat Sep 29 2018 10:22 am EST

Kinda meaningless but I wonder if Gorton targeted Cal Foote and settled for Hajek...

rF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 8:49 am EST

RF4L: MITTLESTADT has been talked about as one of the front runners for the Rookie of the Year award this year since he came up and played a handful of games at the end of last year. He scored 5 points in 6 games and looked like a future star. I don't think he did much of anything in the preseason this year though. We will see how he does in the regular season.

Vic


Sat Sep 29 2018 8:36 am EST

I think HOWDEN's rep among fans and pundits alike suffers for a couple reasons...first is that Team Canada slotted him on fourth line...so in response, many just automatically assumed he was a fourth line player...but that really ignores what that team was, which was a very balanced, four-line squad. It also ignores the fact that Howden was a point per game ON fourth line, which is pretty incredible...But I also think he gets compared to his brother, Quinton, a lot. Their careers have some similarities...both captained Moose Jaw. Both had similar stats in the WJCs...Quinton turned out to be a marginal fourth liner...didn't make much of himself at the NHL level before shipping off to the KHL...so I think there was an assumption among some that his brother would be the same...and that's simply not the case. He has a huge upside. Both he and HAJEK were critical parts of the McDONAGH deal...and now it's easy to see why.

tdchi


Sat Sep 29 2018 8:18 am EST

And interesting that suddenly Casey Mittelstadt is the be-all to end-all. Perhaps a tad premature...?

rF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 8:17 am EST

Lost in some of the noise being made about Andersson's demotion to Hartford are 2 things: 1) Some kudos to DQ and Gorton for having the gonads to do it - for sure there's some save-face pressure here (for Gorton anyways - none for DQ on this decision because Andersson precedes him in terms of becoming a Ranger). Clearly, the organization feels he needs more icetime for his development than he'd get if he'd made the team (over Howden presumably). It's about the longer term vision vs the shorter, save-face term. Good on Gorton on this one. 2) Another possible scenario would have to move Chytil to the wing but clearly the Rangers believe Chytil is a future top 6 (and perhaps number 1) centre and believe moving him to wing at this point isn't the best move for his development.

rF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 7:45 am EST

gene: Could be! And yeah the Bergeron comparison isn't off-base either. He's a bigger Bergeron tho, which is nice.

rF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 7:44 am EST

mf: The Canes have an excess of d-man. Name for Hayden Fleury or Jake Bean and I'm in. Expand things further and talk Staal into waiving his NMC to play with his younger brother and add a pair of 2nd rounders from the Canes.

rF4l


Sat Sep 29 2018 7:43 am EST

Oh NO!!!! MF has fired up the Traderator again! I can see him in his basement wearing a cloak and bent over like Igor. I can see him turning the Traderator's hand crank for hours on end. God help us all!!!!

Vic


Sat Sep 29 2018 7:40 am EST

RF4L: I watched the WJC's and thought Howden was the major piece in the trade when we acquired him. IMO the low expectations for him expressed over the summer were not based on having watched his junior career. His upside is as a top six forward and a leadership role on the team. It is not unreasonable to suggest a comparison to Bergeron as td posted. Time will tell but my money is on him.

gene_carr


Sat Sep 29 2018 6:44 am EST

Irving moofboy assistant gm in charge of the fantasy traderator. Are you using happy Roman numerals to keep track ? Any III way deals yet ?

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 29 2018 1:21 am EST

still trolling: St.Louis has this kid projected to be a bottom 6 forward... OSKAR SUNDQVIST ... Hockey Snooze says he can line up in all three positions, he likes to play a physical game, and agitate as well.... sign me up..... (any opinions on OSKAR?) ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9818

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:48 am EST

Seems LA only has 1 RHS D'man and looks like they could use a forward...... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/kings

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:14 am EST

E: t/y... was hoping one of you P-Coaster's would chime in

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:14 am EST

E: t/y... was hoping one of you P-Coaster's would chime in

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:13 am EST

Carolina: Looks like they could use a C/W, did someone say Namestnikov? They have plenty of Cap Room, and they have this 23 yr old ZYKOV VALENTIN (any of you Talent Scouts have an opinion?)-- Drafted by Los Angeles in 2013 (2/37) ... 6'1" 224 LBS, RHS, LW ....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10404/stats

mf


Sat Sep 29 2018 12:10 am EST

Nick Ritchie is one of the best players on the Ducks. He ain’t going anywhere.

E


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:32 pm EST

OK Ranger-Fokkers, looking around for a big bodied Wing and made it as far as Anaslime... Perry's out, ouch for them, noticed that they have 2 LHS D'Men & 5 RHS D'Men, and, they got an RFA named NICK RITCHIE (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8836/stats) This is a big kid, 6'2" 234LBS, he turns 23 in December, LHS LW, Drafted by Anaheim in 2014 (1/10) ....... "Is there a trade there?" https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/ducks

mf


Fri Sep 28 2018 8:14 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson have gotten so close to each other in the past year. It's almost weird to see one here without the other. "Unfortunately, Lias is not here, but I think ... he’s going to be here soon,'' Chytil said. "And hopefully I’m going to stay here.''

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 8:13 pm EST

RHET - with you on Belesky....ALthough SSS..hope he gets a chance when healthy..

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 7:16 pm EST

OAN: Mrs.RF4L, this ones for you: https://www.nhl.com/news/william-nylander-to-remain-with-toronto/c-300478018

mf


Fri Sep 28 2018 6:30 pm EST

Maybe I'm overselling it. How about I thought he played well enough to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 6:28 pm EST

Stevie... I agree. I thought Beleskey was pretty terrific in the preseason (something which I never thought i would say last season).

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 6:25 pm EST

TDCHI - Couldnt care less about those stats for this team..Look, I didnt want McLeod back..I dont think he played well at all for the Rangers last year..I hoped they would bring in somebody else with some size, balls and a willingness to stand up for a growing/developing team...They didnt...he is what Gordo left them with ...So..I watched him in the pre-season.preparing to hate him again....But, Just about every night he was in the top half of the forwards..doing the job he is needed to do...Get a big Hoss in there that can replace him..I'm fine with that...In the meantime he stays and plays...

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 6:24 pm EST

We all know that the NHL likes to round up when it comes to a players height. Lias Andersson was measured at 5'11" at the 2017 Scouting combine. Did he grow another foot since then? Very possible. I read somewhere that he was over 6' and a half.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:46 pm EST

Lias Andersson | #50 C | 6' 1" | 204 lb | Age: 19 New York Rangers

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:45 pm EST

Brett Howden | #48 C | 6' 3" | 195 lb | Age: 20 New York Rangers

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:41 pm EST

Stevie.... He reminds me of the GEICO Cavemen.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:29 pm EST

Rhet it’s easier to read his words than to watch the video. His name should be twitchboy. My word for him is schlub

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:26 pm EST

I think Beleskey will get iCloud’s job eventually. He probably would have gotten if he didn’t get injured.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:16 pm EST

Rangers GM Jeff Gorton met with the media on Friday and said (NYR): ....On sending Lias down, "when we looked at Lias and what is best for him is to play and not be on the fourth line. We went through a number of different scenarios about keeping him and playing him on the fourth line, moving him to wing. The more we talked about it, as a 19-year old he needs to play and play on the PP, developing and we felt that it was the best situation for him to be in Hartford." ....On Howden, "As the camp evolved and the coaches started handing out more ice time and different situations he handled killing penalties and doing different things better and we could see him playing more ice than we would be able to give Lias right now. That is what it came down to. When we talk about Filip, Lias, Howden or Hajek, they are 19-20 year olds and trying to make the best league in the world. It's unrealistic that we could keep them all and have 6 or 7 19-20 year old players at the same time. We want to do what is best for them in the long run. Things change quickly but that is what we decided for today." ....On Georgiev as the backup, "going back to how he played last year, the way he has played in camp, he has played really well and all signs are really good with his development. He belongs here. We will watch his ice time and make sure he is playing games but it was clear to us in camp that he is our number two guy. We will watch his starts and what opportunities he is getting based upon what Hank is doing and how he is playing. If it's a lot of Hank and there are some lulls in the schedule then we will have to consider sending Georgie down and play some games down there. We have that opportunity, he doesn't need waivers. He needs to play games and we are well aware of that." ....More on Lias Andersson, "the easiest thing for us to do is put them all on our team and say look at us, we have all of these young players that are ready to play and we are going to be great some day and these guys are going to be great but the harder thing to do is make this decision for the players. We could easily find 5-7-8 minutes for Lias on our team right now, I think he is that close. He's pretty close to an NHL player but if we want to maximize where he is going and what he is going to be for us, it's the right decision. It's hard, it's hard for him. Personally I would like to see him here too right now but the long game is better than the short one in this call. Once they are drafted it's about getting them ready for the NHL and he's going to be a good player in this league for a long time and we are going to do everything we can to maximize that and do everything we can." ....On Vinni Lettieri, "it's fair to say that he was right on the bubble and we talked to him about a week ago about stepping up and doing some things and he has played better the last few games and earned the right to be here." ....What do you expect from this group, "to get better everyday and try to win every single game, that is what we try to do with every team we have. We have a lot of players in that room with a lot to prove, we have a lot of players in that room that can be better than last year, we have some new players that can add some different things. I think we will have an exciting team, skilled team, coach is doing a good job of implementing things we want and how we want to play. We will be exciting and hopefully surprise a lot of people." ....On Henrik Lundqvist, "I leave most of that to Benny. We will see, our schedule is fairly light to start. We have 3 in 4 and then after that it's pretty slow. Hank looks good to me, Hank is in great shape, wants to play, likes to play more, plays better when he plays more, as long as he is playing well." ....Do you expect to compete for a playoff spot, "I think we will get better everyday and these are all NHL players and I'm never going to stand in front of a group and tell them they are not good enough or they should have expectations lower than that. That is what we are telling our players and how we are feeling in the room. We are getting better everyday and who knows where we go from there." ....Can you rebuild and compete at the same time, "I don't know, that is for you guys to figure out. We will take it a day at a time and get better. We have added a lot of good young players in the organization, a lot of them aren't here yet and a lot of them will come in soon and in the next couple of years and we will be better for it. I don't know how good we will be. We don't know until we go through it, all we know is that we have some good players here right now and a lot of players in that room that think we are pretty good." ....On Brendan Smith, "I wanted to see a hungry guy that wanted to get back in the league and establish that he is an NHL defenseman. He did a lot of work in the summer to put himself in a good spot and I think he has had a good camp. He looks pretty good right now." ....Did Hajek and Lindgren impress you, "yes, I think they did really well. For Lindgren, I think in Traverse City he had a slow start but in the two NHL games he showed really well. We talked to him this morning about what we want him to work on and go down and play your twenty minutes in all situations and there is some real upside there. With Hajek, he is a really talented kid and young player that, we have a situation with eight defensemen now and he pushed real hard and maybe in another time we would keep him longer, but for now, go down and play, all situations and keep getting better but really bright future for him."

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 4:58 pm EST

Hospo - So I'm not sure what you're seeing on the ice...and each to his own...but what I'm saying about McLEOD is backed by stats...regular and his advance stats...Now I'm not a huge Corsi/Fenwick guy...I think the stats have their place...but I think there are also nuances...basically though, it's a pretty safe assumption to say that a guy at 50 percent-plus is having a good impact on his line...47-49 percent he's average...44-46 percent he's subpar...and 40-43 percent he's probably a liability on the ice...Let's put this to a test: Tanner GLASS, who we all know and love, usually hovered between 41 and 43 percent as a Ranger. He ballooned up to 47 percent during his last 11 games...McLEOD, OTOH, in his 25 games with the Rangers was 37 percent(!!!)...That essentially means the other team had the puck TWO-THIRDS of the time he was on the ice. Which is laughably bad. And just to illustrate HOW bad this is, there were only two guys who had worse Corsi/Fenwick percentages last year: Dan CATENACCI and Matt BELESKEY...and they only played ONE GAME as a Ranger...Another in the range of McLeod, albeit better? Peter HOLLAND. And Greg CAREY. Those were the only guys who skated 20-plus games who came close to being as bad as he was...and...well...it showed...So you can argue that the Rangers were just a really bad team...and you'd be correct...that has an impact on advance stats...can't expect to posses the puck when you're on the ice with other skaters who are stumps...well, the last time McLeod was OVER 45 percent in Corsi/Fenwick was 2012-2013...FIVE YEARS AGO. Since that time, he's struggled to remain in Tanner Glass country....And this past four years? He's been downright awful...Dude might be a hell of a guy. He might get the kids fired up. And kudos to him for throwing his face into a fist or the boards. But dude...he sucks. There's just no way to argue otherwise. The fact they have him on the roster is hilarious...and if Quinn thinks he can start 60-plus games? Then he ain't a very good coach.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:38 pm EST

TDCHI - I guess we see what we want to see..I onloy watched the 3rd last night and there were about 15 Rangers that were God awful..I am not a McLEOD fan but I watched the other games and I thought he did real well (for a 4th liner) hitting, fighting, standing up, going to the net and in the offensive zone...The Rangers desperately need somebody like him..Wish it was somebody a little better but he is all they have...But what you and I think and see means jack shit...It's up to QUINN to decide the team, the kids, the rebuild need a Mcleod in the line-up...I think he will...

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:34 pm EST

TD: I think during part way thru the 3rd period last night I heard Andersson was 9 and 2 in the FO for the game! And you're right - Howden was quite impressive in last year's WJCs. I didn't play close attention to him because he was Bolt property at the time but I watched most of Canada's games (naturally) and recall being impressed with him. He does play a strong 2 way game and he isn't devoid of offensive skill. He's also bigger than Andersson, who's listed at 5'11". Howden is listed at 6'3".

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:25 pm EST

Hospo - what exactly does McLEOD do?!! I mean, last night, he did a great job of hammering the boards with his face. He’s a zero. 100 percent non-entity. Too slow to catch guys. Too unskilled to help a line. No good at D. And the best we get out of him is a side show fight with the other team’s clown. The guy makes Tanner GLASS look like a viable option. Sorry, but I totally disagree. Now whether Quinn starts him is another subject altogether. If he does, he’s a fucking moron. Glass should be on the bench unless a useless punk like RINALDO is in the game.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:14 pm EST

RF4L - yeah maybe. I dunno. I tell you what: I was VERY impressed with HOWDEN at TC. Guy was really good in the FO circle(more on hat in a sec). And he played a real in-your-face game. Really made his presence known around the net. Up until last night. He looked real strong last night and meshes great with VESEY...which isn’t much of a surprise, because they have very similar skill sets...anyway...thought came to mind watching Howden in TC...and recognizing that I really kind of dislike player comparisons...he reminded me a bit of Patrice BERGERON...just a good all-around player and a guy who can crush faceoffs...didn’t watch either him or ANDERSSON too closely in he circle, but that may be another reason he got the nod: better at FOs....my belief is it’s six to one and half-dozen the other...and I agree with the notion that of NAMESTNIKOV and/or SPOONER were in a different ZIP code, Andersson would be in New York. Tough break for the kid. He played well...hopefully, he uses this demotion as motivation to give a little extra...even though I honk the kid already give 110 percent.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:04 pm EST

TDCHI - Me thinks you might be a little disappointed seeing McLeod in the opening night line-up and playing more often than not..In my book, the Rangers need him more than any of their other 4th liners....HOWDEN did improve as the preseason went on, unlike ANdersson, but we will see if the NHL is the best place for him now...either he or Andersson would be 4th C..so no big deal..the problems are on the 1st three lines..

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:03 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 31m "He's a competitor, he's got an incredible demeanor about him, he's mentally tough and he's very athletic so he's earned this spot." - #NYR Coach Quinn on Alex Georgiev 0:53 3.5K views Embedded video

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:03 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 55m "I expect this group to get better every day and go out and try to win every single game." #NYR GM Jeff Gorton talks about roster decisions, goaltending and much more.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:02 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 19m "He's a guy that plays a 200ft game, he's got a great mind, plays fast, energetic, and he earned a spot on the team." Coach Quinn on Brett Howden making the #NYR roster

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 3:01 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 10m "I think about coming here every day to becoming the best team we can be, making every guy a better player, making us a better team collectively and playing the way we want to play." - #NYR Head Coach David Quinn

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 2:54 pm EST

Howden's upside is 2nd line center. He can learn NHL as a 4th liner because he can be a 4th line center, right now. He doesn't have many fights in juniors to watch, but the few he has , he can throw em. And in each he sought out the fight. Just not sure why he didn't have very many fighting majors. I don't think Quinn has doubts about his grit, therefore play him in NHL on 4th line. If he develops Corey Perry snarl on the 4th line, we will have a very very valuable player for the future.

Ratelle1967


Fri Sep 28 2018 2:37 pm EST

TD: To me and yes it's a small small sample size but Howden just looks more ready right now than Andersson, if that makes sense.

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 2:33 pm EST

O'Gara is still waiver exempt. They won't lose him. He has a bunch of people to jump over to make it to the Rangers though and no standout skill. Just a solid D.

HellsKitchen


Fri Sep 28 2018 2:27 pm EST

Zero surprises on the roster. ANDERSSON-HOWDEN could have gone either way in my book. Andersson had the stronger start, Howden the stronger finish. Think RF4L has a point: Howden’s games in juniors probably gave him an edge...and obviously if Quinn sees Howden as more of a bottom-line player(I don’t subscribe to this theory at all, incidentally), then its a no-brainer. One of them had to go down. I think the Rangers DO see a stronger offensive upside in Andersson...re: LETTIERI - he EARNED that spot. Easily the best non-regular player the last few games. Starting to remind me ALOT of Ryan CALLAHAN. Just a nails guy. Lots of fight...disappointed that iClod remains on the roster. But if there’s a guy who is perfectly fit for riding pine, it’s him...D - zero surprises. The tricky part.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 2:14 pm EST

BTW: Jimmy Vesey would have to clear waivers if he were sent down.... ALSO: Here is an up-to-date CapFriendly NYR 2018-19 Salary Cap roster...($1.059 Million in cap space) with Beleskey on the IR and both Nieves and Crawley on the SOIR... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 1:59 pm EST

I think Quinn is still making up his mind on guys. Whether or not they fit his system or what type of ceiling they may have.... Maybe we see a trade before game 1 or more likely we'll see one in the next 10-20 games ...In regard to Howden: If memory serves, he was a bottom six guy with his ceiling being as high as a 2ND line center. A better fit on the fourth line than Andersson... I guess he's a bottom 9 guy as opposed to top 9 :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:45 pm EST

Bob: Yes but really no other choice at this point. First Name only goes if he's traded and to me farming out Vesey now (assuming he doesn't have to go on waivers) would be a significant slap to his confidence given this is year 3 for him and he's not been in the AHL previously. I see totally why Andersson's farmed out when compared to those 2. And remember, it's really early - lots can and will likely change over the next several weeks. No way will this roster be the same even by Christmas, let alone after the trading deadline. Andersson needs to put his head down and shine as the 1st line center for the Pack. It'll come for him soon enough.

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:38 pm EST

Joey Keane off to a tremendous start with the Barrie Colts - 3 assists last night giving him a goal and 5 points in 3 games, tied for 13th overall in the league. His plus 8 puts him a 3-way tie for first in that stat.

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:27 pm EST

Interesting about Andersson. I guess that the fact that Namestnikov and Vesey are still there is where I am skeptical. To me, both have been mostly useless so far. I also thought that they had Howden pegged as more than a 4th liner. They could have always used Namstnikov or Spooner and the 4th line center. We’ll see. Excited to start the season.

Bob


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:07 pm EST

And I’m pretty sure the nyr still have their line generator for the mighty Quinney to use.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:03 pm EST

The brain rust and the mighty Quinney have made their decisions for opening night. After that nothing is etched in stone. Wonder what they said to Andersson. I’m not going to second guess them yet ! The mighty Quinney deserves a honeymoon period.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:00 pm EST

As for the lines, this team is charmin soft up-front..and could use two additional wingers..one for the 2nd line (kinda physical) and somebody that can play with HAYES at a high level..But, as is, if they stick with Kreider-ZBAD-BUCH (itself has alot of proving to do)? ....McLeod-Howden-Vesey on the 4th line..The 2nd and 3rd lines seem a mess to me with no real identity because of the 2nd winger.....I see CHYTL/MZA and Fast/Hayes together with Spooner/Name/Litt fighting for those two spots...Spooner might have the highest talent level to play with Hayes even if Littieri had some good moments with Hayes last night...And Littieri is the most physical of the three and can play a little, Name just has the new contract, nothing else...

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:42 am EST

Only surprise on the roster is HOWDEN over ANDERSSON...I guess several things go into that..HOWDEN played better in pre-season for one...The comment about not wanting a Top 9 player like ANDERSSON on the 4th line is the other (Tip of hat to RHET and a few others)..But, two things, isnt HOWDEN seen as a TOP 9 player also? Also, I'm not so sure HOWDEN wouldnt be better off in HARTFORD for development..But,it's early, they can still send him down and there still can be a trade/pick-up ..

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:17 am EST

RF4L: Yeah that line would be a little soft but I don't there is any way around it. Unless they swap KREIDER and SPOONER. I would rather have someone to look out for on a line with CHEETOS but outside of KREIDER there isn't anyone (and there is no way I put McLEOD with CHEETOS).

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:10 am EST

I'm not a fan of this line: SPOONER-CHEETOS-MZA

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:09 am EST

Vic: Nah...he's just pumping Andersson's tires. Andersson has lots of international experience but Howden looks more polished and has 4 complete years of junior experience (nearly 300 games in total). I'd argue he's simply more ready than Andersson and therefore, better suited to the 4th line.

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:09 am EST

So taking a stab at the opening night lines is a little difficult. Does DQ want HAYES and LETTIERI together? Does he want HOWDEN and VESEY together? Will STINKY be the black ace as his play so far has warranted? They are playing Nashville so McLEOD will probably be in the lineup. If so then who sits (STINKY, VESEY, LETTIERI, etc.)? I'm going to guess that STINKY sits. So my lineup looks like this: KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, SPOONER-CHEETOS-MZA, LETTIERI-HAYES-FAST, VESEY-HOWDEN-McLEOD. I won't guess at the D pairings.....

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:01 am EST

Wow, if DQ said that about ANDERSSON what does that mean he thinks HOWDEN's ceiling is? Does that mean he doesn't see HOWDEN as being a top 9 guy in the future?

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 11:00 am EST

TLATS: They kept only 8 D. CRAWLEY is on IR and can't be sent down until he comes off IR.

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:59 am EST

Oh didn't know Crawley was injured either

tlats


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:58 am EST

The team kept 9 defensemen. I smell a trade

tlats


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:58 am EST

ANDERSSON started the preseason strong but didn't really keep that momentum going. HOWDEN started slow but got better each game. I thought last night was his best game. And maybe one of the big factors in the decision was the way HOWDEN and VESEY looked together last night. If HOWDEN can be the guy that helps VESEY get to where he needs to be that would be a big help for the team. The rest of the cuts.....no real surprises. I didn't realize that CRAWLEY was hurt. I am hoping O'GARA doesn't get claimed but I have a feeling he will be. I think people underestimate how steady he has been. He is a steady, physical, stay at home D that I think some other teams are going to want.

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:56 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl .... NYR coach David Quinn doesn't want a top-9 player, which Lias Andersson is, playing on the 4th line. So he'll likely get top-line minutes in Hartford and Brett Howden will be the 4C in NY. If Filip Chytil goes to wing, Ryan Spooner or Vlad Namestnikov can move to C.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:47 am EST

Also: I am stoked for Lettieri, Howden, Chytil and Georgiev.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:46 am EST

Rhet: Agreed (your Name comment). But it is interesting that Howden stays and Andersson goes. Unless someone like Howden, Chytil and/or Letteiri struggle and/or Andersson is horrid in Hartford, I think it's only a matter of time before Name or Spooner are dealt and Andersson gets recalled.

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:42 am EST

I have no real problem with the guys that made the team, but I have to think that if Name didn't have the 2-year, $8 million deal that Andersson would be here instead.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:42 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 11m11 minutes ago OFFICIAL: #NYR made the following roster changes: Andersson, Fogarty, Hajek, Lindgren, Lindqvist, Meskanen & O’Gara have been assigned to Hartford. Bigras, Holland, Mazanec, Schneider & Tokarski have been placed on waivers & will be assigned to HFD should they not be claimed.

stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:42 am EST

Howden made it over Andersson?

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:39 am EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... #NYR have 26 players remaining on the roster, including three injured players: Beleskey (separated shoulder), Crawley (undisclosed) and Nieves (concussion protocol).

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:35 am EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Injured (3): Beleskey, Crawley, Nieves

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:33 am EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers 2m2 minutes ago More #NYR Active Roster: ...Forwards (13): Buchnevich, Chytil, Fast, Hayes, Howden, Kreider, Lettieri, McLeod, Namestnikov, Spooner, Vesey, Zibanejad, Zuccarello ...Defensemen (8): Claesson, DeAngelo, McQuaid, Pionk, Shattenkirk, Skjei, Smith, Staal ....Goaltenders (2): Georgiev, Lundqvist

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:29 am EST

As we saw with Cheeto last season, making the team out of camp and sticking on the roster aren’t one in the same. So, just because I think Lettieri forced his way onto the opening night roster, by no means do I think he’s a guarantee to stick. Right now, there is a new paradigm for The New York Rangers. They have depth. If Letteri can’t hold a roster spot, he’ll be replaced with another. Maybe they shuffle the lineup and Howden comes. Or he holds a spot till Beleskey comes back. And, so for me? Rosterbaiting about who is on the opening night roster has its limits. More compelling is who is on the bubble who would also have to clear waivers to move up and down. Who gets exposed to potential callup and send down is an interesting thing and one of the more difficult decisions to make. I think Smith is back. It’s debatable whether he’d pass through because of his salary but the New York Rangers could always flip him for a lower pick if another team was gonna grab him. Or snag an equivalent type guy in return. Whatever. The situation with DeAngelo is also interesting. He’s got the tools offensively. He sucks in his own zone. But he has shown some improvement. He also would have to clear. Pionk I don’t think needs to. I don’t think he’s as offensively gifted but I also think he is a better and more complete defenseman. And he can move up and down. And I also think he played well enough as a continuation of last seasons success to warrant staying. So, these are really the tough choices facing Gorton, Drury, and DQ. In closing on this rant, of all the guys that are still on the roster the one guy who has been maligned the most was Vesey. And rightfully so. He has sucked ass this preseason. Almost invisible the entire time. So, he deserves what he has been getting but far more so in terms of who should be there, punt that Nemo the hell outta here. He just sucks. He is a perimeter guy who plays as hard as baby poo after you fed them four cans of peas. Just awful. I consider both Nemo as Spooner as one in the same in terms of roster spot. Nemo has done nothing as a NYR. Spooner has. Nemo was garbage when he came over in the trade last February and did nothing despite receiving 5-4, 5-5, 4-5 ice time. That’s where I sit right now. I do think they’ll make their moves quick as to get whoever to Hartford and prepare for the season. I also think you can suspect that a smaller level trade could be coming to fill in some depth on this team. However, all in all I like a lot of what I’ve seen in preseason. Who knows if that’ll carry over. History says it’s not really a barometer of success.

E


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:25 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted The Athletic ‏Verified account @TheAthleticNYC 3h3 hours ago Who stays between Vinni Lettieri and Brett Howden? @RickCarpiniello lays out his roster projections and thoughts from the final preseason game....PHILADELPHIA — Even David Quinn let out a “whew” that it was over. The NHL preseason always sounds good in theory and it’s a necessary evil when a team — especially a team like the Rangers — has a lot of personnel decisions to make and prospects to see. But, man, six ragged games in 11 or 12 days, usually B teams vs. C+ teams, seems like forever. So in the exact same spot where Alain Vigneault pulled his Captain Queeg act hours before being fired on April 7th, the rookie replacement exhaled. The B Rangers beat the Philadelphia C+ Flyers 4-2, playing solidly for two-plus periods, then hanging on at the end for their first regulation win (3-2-1 overall). And now comes the hard part. Cutdowns to a 23-man roster — Quinn said he plans to get right down to the 23 he will take into opening night — five practices in six days, and Nashville at the Garden next Thursday in No. 1 of 82. I’m gonna take a crack at the final...

stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:20 am EST

Rhet it’s probably better for all involved except the mighty Quinney who might want to have 2 teams play each other in inter squad games as part of getting ready for the season.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:16 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 1h "There's a lot of characteristics that go into winning, talent is one of them, but you got to be mentally tough." Coach Quinn after the #NYR preseason win over Philly

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:14 am EST

Stevie... Yes and yes.... It has to be done before the first game of the season. I do believe it will come as early as today.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:11 am EST

Who? .......Edmonton Oilers ‏ Verified account @EdmontonOilers .... The #Oilers have placed goaltender Al Montoya on waivers for the purpose of assignment to the @Condors. Shane Starrett will serve as our emergency netminder in Germany & Sweden.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 28 2018 10:10 am EST

HOSPO- sorry I didn’t get to check out your trade proposal. Kadri is the first guy that intrigues me, but I am not dure I want to give up my youngsters til I see what they can do. I’ll hsbe more time this weekend to check things out.

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 28 2018 9:55 am EST

I would think that the Rangers would be holding one on one meetings today with the players being sent to Hartford or being waived. Let the young guys know where they are in the big picture, why they are being sent down and what they need to work on. If there are any trades brewing that might slow some things down but otherwise I would think they would be making the announcements on the cuts and final roster by tonight to get those guys into Hartford's camp as soon as possible.

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 8:29 am EST

what is the deadline for the final roster ? by opening game or sooner ?

stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 8:07 am EST

Tdchi it’s the old cliche with iCloud. He brings some intangibles to help this team . Are there better players talent wise, of course. But I think the mighty Quinney doesn’t want his team to be intimidated, and he wants them to stand up for each other. Guys like iCloud, Smith,and Mcquaid are a necessary part of the nyr roster. Until they become TEAM TOUGH !

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 8:04 am EST

Nothing new here but a TSN interview with the King: https://www.tsn.ca/video/lundqvist-on-the-challenges-of-new-york-s-rebuild-why-he-wants-to-be-a-ranger~1501077

rF4l


Fri Sep 28 2018 7:28 am EST

VIC - I have said Littieri earned a place on the team, meaning he looks like an NHL player for the Rangers...I'll leave the rest of the superlatives and the top 9 projections to others....And why I like CHYTL is because he generates and creates, something few pther Rangers do..He has things to work on,sure, but he's ready for a prime offnesive role on the team

Hospo


Fri Sep 28 2018 7:05 am EST

My take on the roster: BUCH-Z-KREIDER is in stone as the top line. HAYES and ZUCC, if it were me, would be on separate lines. I would have CHYTIL center Zucc, and put NAMESTNIKOV on their line...Loved, loved LOVED what I saw of HAYES and LETTIERI last night. I would keep them together with VESEY on third line...and then role SPOONER-ANDERSSON-FAST as a fourth. On merit alone, HOWDEN should have the spot...but I don't think he beat out any of the other three rooks. Go to Hartford and dominate...MY call for 13th forward would be MESKANEN. I really like his game and I think he's ready to play in the NHL...but the guy they will keep is McLEOD, who has no business in the NHL...What is clear about Quinn is that he's a smart coach...he understands the value of a four-line team...so we're going to see fourth getting a lot more minutes than before in games where there aren't a lot or just average special teams...And that means McLeod is a liability. A big one. He should be on waivers, but I bet he carries the same free pass that Colton ORR once carried...Wouldn't be surprised at all to learn that he's a guy Dolan wants on the roster...D pairings: CLAESSON or STAAL with SHATTENKIRK. Give him someone who is defensively responsible...I would say SKJEI, but I would pair him with McQUAID or PIONK. Let Skjei skate up. Give him a responsible partner on the right...and then SMITH, TBH, I think he's made an implacable case for starting. He looks a lot better and would be a welcome, mean addition...Pair him with Pionk or DeANGELO...in goal, without a doubt: GEORGIEV. We know what he can do in the AHL. He played a whole season down there before his 11 game audition. More games isn't going to do anything for him...and the Ranger backup as it is will get at least 25 games...probably more like 30...He didn't need to do much against the Flyers...their roster was AS weak as the Rangers...but he's a solid tender. What he needs is consistent action at the NHL level. So a start a week. TOKARSKI is a fine backup, but he's the guy I'd select if LUNDQVIST was 10 years younger.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 6:51 am EST

Rhet0ric - That's where we disagree, re: VESEY. Seen some good players on the waiver wire, but none that are the full-package like he is. But where we agree is that it's moot. There are many players who would go on waivers before Vesey.

tdchi


Fri Sep 28 2018 5:39 am EST

“I think whenever there is a coaching change, there are a lot of things that are new — but it doesn’t mean better,” Quinn said. “AV had a lot of success here, won a lot of playoff games, a lot of hockey games. Were just in a different situation than we were five years ago. “There was definitely things that we’re doing probably differently than what he was doing because we’re a different team. Things are different, but it’s not because things weren’t done the right way before. It’s just the circumstances.”

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 4:52 am EST

I think the mighty Quinney will push vesey to be more of a power forward. Hopefully he’ll get many of the players to get to their next level up . The nyr are not going to be a push over team or the nhl doormat.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 4:46 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 7h “I know expectations are low outside of this locker room, that’s not what it feels like inside the locker room.” - #NYR @KevinPHayes12

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:43 am EST

MF: I wouldn't mind seeing a few games of a line with VESEY and LETTIERI on HAYES' wings. I just don't know how the lines are going to shake out and what DQ thinks.

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:41 am EST

HOSPO: I find your stance on LETIERI as being a "preseason player" strange. He had one camp with the Rangers (last year) where I thought he was the best player in camp. Others thought CHEETOS was. Regardless, he was sent to Hartford and CHEETOS stayed with the team for 2 games before they realized that he wasn't ready. LETTIERI got called up and sent down a few times right when the team was in full implosion. He played a total of 19 games and played pretty well all things considered. CHEETOS and ANDERSSON were both called up at the end of the season and really didn't play any better then LETTIERI. So I'm not sure why you have labeled him as a preseason player but not CHEETOS and ANDERSSON. Also, you've gushed at CHEETOS's play this preseason. Does it mean anything or should we not take it seriously because he always does well in the preseason??? As I've said before, I'm not sure what LETTIERI's ceiling is at this point. But he is a good hockey player who is NHL ready. I think he can contribute defensively and offensively to this team. And I always have room for a guy who works as hard and plays as hard as VINNI does.

Vic


Fri Sep 28 2018 12:32 am EST

One for Mrs.RF4L: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-maple-leafs-might-have-a-mitch-marner-problem-on-their-hands

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:58 pm EST

VESEY: I think that DQ is a much better fit as a coach for Vesey at this stage of his career and he (Vesey) is going to mature a lot this season, may surprise us in the point production too..... I remember how Kevin Hayes referred to his game: https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-kevin-hayes-says-about-jimmy-vesey/200563298

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:43 pm EST

VIC: that's interesting because I'm very skeptical of just how much Namestnikov contributed contributed to that lines chemistry. What I'm getting at is that VL & Hayes could be the beginning of line with great chemistry.... Fingers crossed here, hope to see those two on the same line again...

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:38 pm EST

MF: STINKY was on the other wing on the HAYES line but really it was HAYES and LETTIERI that were shining tonight.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:15 pm EST

E... Agree on Lias, Cheeto and Lettieri. I think Pionk is a foregone conclusion for making the team on defense. I also believe we temporarily run with 8 guys on D, so Deangelo will also make the team... My guesses..... Forwards: Kreider, Z-bad, Hayes, Fast, Zuccarello, Andersson, .Lettieri, Buchnevich, Chytil, Vesey, McLeod, Namestnikov, Spooner ....Defense: Shattenkirk, McQuaid, Skjei, Smith, Pionk, Staal, Deangelo, Claesson.... Goalie... Lundqvist, Tokarski..... Geo really deserves to be the backup, but I think he get's sent down our of concern that he wont play enough backstopping Hank.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:54 pm EST

RF4L.. You are right. we really don't even know how the team will play together yet. Hayes has been playing bigger, Z-bad has been playing bigger(and physical). Throw in Buch playing consistently and maybe a Kreider sighting here or there and who knows? Maybe we wont suck as much as we think ....OR.... they can go back tp being consistently mediocre like last year... the sky is the limit! I am excited to see how good or bad the team can be.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:47 pm EST

MF - agree.Namestnikov is a coat-tail rider..generates little..not what we need..Agree about the PF also but so hard to get..Just somebody with a little grit would go nicely on our 2nd line with, maybe. Chytl and MZA..But our options seem to be Spooner and what?..The Rangers have numbers but kida a forward down for both the 2nd and 3d line..Was hoping Vesey before cam fpr the 3rd, but that's not looking good..Maybe Littieri can play both? Just kidding..

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:43 pm EST

It’s gonna be complicated for DQ and Gorton to figure out what’s next. I think Lias, Cheeto, Lettieri are all sure thing. DeAngelo and Pionk I think is unsettled but I like Pionk’s 3 zone play and more mean in his game. So, beyond that? I can’t get a read. But 4-rookies and a young goalie going into a lineup? That’s a hell of a lot of rebuild. For better or worse.

E


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:37 pm EST

I think Namestnikov needs to be on a line where the Center and other Wing do most of the heavy lifting, we just don't have that here for him and that's why I'm open to and encouraging moving him... We need a PF for the Right side..... jmon

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:12 pm EST

Hospo: So far neither even remotely impress me offensively yet I thought that's why they were signed. It's early though so perhaps after some time in the AHL it'll emerge?

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:11 pm EST

RF4L - Skill tends to play a litle bettr in pre-season then the rest of the time..It's about so much more..Ihope the Rangers can get there

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:09 pm EST

RF4L - Thanks..I thought it was the opposute the first game I saw..Meskanen a little better and Linqvist pretty inisigificant..Sounds like both could use AHL time (Like FAST did)

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:08 pm EST

Hospo: Vesey had by far and away his best outing tonight. He can be a very important piece of this team if he plays to his strengths and does so consistently. BTW, the Rangers won without what is arguably their top line dressed PLUS Chytil. There is some skill on this team....

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:05 pm EST

Hospo: The Swede actually looked quite good. Defensively. Quick and knows where to be plus a 'good stick'. Huge difference from what I saw previously. The Finn was again (for me) invisible. I cannot see either making the team and I wonder how much appetite either has for an extended stay in the AHL. If they don't then bye bye!!!

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:05 pm EST

RF4L - Gilmour played that way last year after a few decent games..He can skate like the wind, but just dont think he can be an NHL d-man....MF- Like HOWDEN alot, why I want him in HARTFORD to just learn and get better after only playing in the WHL..maybe later in the season?

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:04 pm EST

mf: Howden indeed looked good and is, IMO, the real deal. However if Chytil and Andersson are on the club, he's gonna be farmed out. Which is fine. And Hajek from what I've seen is worthy of a long look but he, too, will likely be farmed out. That's also fine. Zero reason to rush these kids.

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:03 pm EST

How di thee Swedes and Fin play in the first two? Make any case for the roster? Or in ANdersson's, reinforce hat he has already done?

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:01 pm EST

Hospo: from the bits and pieces I saw tonight, Howden was good... Wonder if he's going to crack the line-up... If he does, AND both Chytli and Andersson do too... I could make a case for Andersson on the Wing and Howden as 4th line center..... I'm just babbling....

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:00 pm EST

That said, Gilmour's showing for me is quite disappointing. He looked small, afraid and nervous.

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:59 pm EST

FWIW, today's cuts are all no-brainers and AFAIC, the only one cut that has potential to be a Ranger is Gettinger. Gettinger, if he can build on what he appears to bring to the table, has the potential to be a very good bottom 6 forward for the Rangers in the future.

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:57 pm EST

Hospo: About life! lol...just digging ya dude.

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:54 pm EST

VIC: do you recall who played the other wing with Lettieri & Hayes? (thanks)

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:54 pm EST

RF4L Bitter about what?..VIC - No thanks ..already know how Littieri plays in pre-season ..Good player to have in NY..worng to put him on the top 3 lines..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:45 pm EST

Hospo...lol...you sound quite bitter!

rF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:43 pm EST

I got home in time for the second period, which was very good. The third was a fire drill.georgiev was very strong and confident, and the Rangers do play some defense now.

Bob


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:37 pm EST

HOSPO: Go watch the first two periods. LETTIERI and HAYES looked great together. They were dominant at even strength from the last few minutes of the first period through the 2nd period.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:15 pm EST

E - Been saying that On Namestnikov since we got him..He does nothing..Agree that Littieri has eraned himself a spot on the opening nighth roster but I caution againat making too much out of his play, epsecially on the PP--just like last preseason..But..4th line/reserve sounds good

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:09 pm EST

I think Vinny put the !!!!! on his case. Hayes is just getting better. I am really sick of Nemo though. I just cannot stand his style of play. Nothing else really made me ooh or ahh. Georgie is becoming an NHL player. If he doesn't get the backup job it is only because they want him to start every game so send him to Hartford. But his mechanics, movement, and vision all look NHL ready to me. I don't think as a team they were cohesive enough. And I caution against Rosen on the PP. Its preseason.

E


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:59 pm EST

STEP - Been saying the same thing about HAYES for awhile..Looks like he's goona continue the positive trend from last year..Best C on the team and I hope they give him at least one offensive wing to play with at ES..and i dont mean Littieri..

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:54 pm EST

Trade NO MAStikov for a ham sandwich. Throw in Staal for extra cheese. Hayes looked like a man among boys. Think he has big year. Can we dress 7 D and play Shatt on the PP only ? Was hoping for more from Mescaline but not close. Time has run out on Foggy. I kind of like McCleod. Vinnie loving Hayes' passing. They make a nice duo.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:50 pm EST

All i watched was th third period..God, did they suck! I that Howden scored..Good for the kid..Also saw that trhe only other goals were PP goals that men little..Tell me some guys played decent at ES...two things that I noticed was that 81 Meskanen looked bigger than I thought...and McLeod can skate fast enough for our 4th line....Oh well, how did the D play? ANything from Vesey and Namestnikov at ES?

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:39 pm EST

When was the last time we had a winning record in the preseason? :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:35 pm EST

Think we find out the final cuts tonight?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:34 pm EST

Purple Hayes GOOAAALLL

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:32 pm EST

A veenyo move by the cryers

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:31 pm EST

Hayes with the nice empty netter.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:31 pm EST

Rangers are great!

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:31 pm EST

Name is a mess in the 3rd.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:23 pm EST

Holy on EVERYONE

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:19 pm EST

Name off +1-1=0

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:19 pm EST

Name giveth and he taketh away.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:19 pm EST

Ramgers suck!

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:19 pm EST

Soooo much for the goose egg

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:17 pm EST

4 rangers on one side of the ice. In their own zone.

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:15 pm EST

Wow...that goal looks like last year!!

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:13 pm EST

Poor Geo.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:10 pm EST

Irving moofman yes ... are you a happy Roman ?

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:10 pm EST

Prince Giorgio making a case for back up tonight

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:09 pm EST

Posting from the phone,ay Legs?

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:06 pm EST

Lou... Look at it this way. If we don't have to see him chewing gum on the opposing bench for the next 2 seasons, it's money well spent :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:04 pm EST

I would love to see Hajek make the team.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:04 pm EST

They = rhet

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:03 pm EST

They I was stumped for a minute too

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:02 pm EST

Together we go forward.... gmafb

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:01 pm EST

Fu@k Veenyo collecting 5m a year

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:01 pm EST

...ah yes, 1105... it was a very good year ....Thanks Stevie.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:59 pm EST

The ONLY reason GEO wouldn't be the backup is that they're worried he wont get enough starts.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:58 pm EST

Roman Numerals: MCV = 1105.

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:58 pm EST

"my cousin" Vinni

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:57 pm EST

Who is MCV?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:55 pm EST

I really like Quinn. It's been a long time since I said that about a NYR coach.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:51 pm EST

BTW...no Staal and the D looks faster. Sad to say because I like Staal. Another dumb Sather contract for sure. 2 more years at $5,700,000 after THIS year.

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:49 pm EST

DQ soundbites are impressive.

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:47 pm EST

Yep MCV has made the team. Howden is a fine acquisition!

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:46 pm EST

Funny that so many experts said Hajek is solid defensively but limited upside offensively and not the best skater. Yet for me in these preseason games what stands out is he puck handling and mobility.

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:45 pm EST

I think "my cousin" Vinni has just made the squad with back to back performances...………...and I love this kid Howden for the future.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:43 pm EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 48s View from up top of @Vladdy18 's power play goal! Stay tuned to @MSGNetworks for 3rd period #NYR action.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:42 pm EST

2 pp goals ... isn’t that more than all of last season? ... lol

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:42 pm EST

Vladdy!!!!!!!!! It's a Power Play goal

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:40 pm EST

Shattenkirk looks good back there. Using a more zone defense scheme, they look defensively competent. Not perfect in the back, but puck support and hustle..........this is the first preseason game I have been able to watch and I am impressed.

Bob


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:38 pm EST

Finally playing for jobs

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:38 pm EST

Excellent period by the Rangers

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:38 pm EST

Name off

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:37 pm EST

NoTestaCleezakov! It's a PP goal and his trade value just upticked!

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:37 pm EST

ohhhhhhhBABYY.... NAME!?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:37 pm EST

STINKY with the PP goal or did VINNI defelct it?

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:36 pm EST

Pizza Man Lettieri is on FIRE

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:35 pm EST

Nice play by ANDERSSON going to the net and drawing the penalty.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:33 pm EST

Vinni Lettieri has been the best NYR forward tonight(so far)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:31 pm EST

And when I say the HAYES line I really mean HAYES and LETTIERI. STINKY is more of a passenger in these shifts....

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:30 pm EST

Another strong shift by the HAYES line. VESEY and HOWDEN almost connect again. Much better night for VESEY.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:28 pm EST

Finally. Vesey!!

RF4l


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:25 pm EST

There you go, Smith's replacement, "O'Gara!"

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:22 pm EST

O'Gara keeps fighting. Even when he makes mistakes.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:21 pm EST

Great play by Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:20 pm EST

SMITH: At 4.35mill per for 3 years including this one, and 20 or so LHS D in the system, Can we get a 2nd round pick for him?

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:18 pm EST

mf... I think you give "Larry Brooks" too much credit.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:17 pm EST

SMITH would be a much better player if he didn't handle the puck.....ever.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:15 pm EST

Rangers have dominated the first 10 minutes of the 2nd period...

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:11 pm EST

Rhet: Me thinks that Vesey's been reading Hospodamus who forecasts a Vesey trade if he doesn't pick it up......

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:09 pm EST

Anyone care to critique the play of "Notesticlezakov?"

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:09 pm EST

Who woke Vesey up?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:08 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nGQLQF1b6I

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:06 pm EST

That was another nice shift by the HAYES line. Great forecheck that caused the turnover to start the whole thing by LETTIERI.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:06 pm EST

GOOAALL!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:04 pm EST

"How-Den" did he score?

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:03 pm EST

My Cousin Vinny

mf


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:03 pm EST

GOOAAALLL!!!!!!!Vinni Pizza Man Lettieri

rangerlou


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:03 pm EST

WOW, Brett Howden from Vesey!

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:03 pm EST

Nice play by VESEY and HOWDEN!!!

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:02 pm EST

That is what they need from Shattenkirk. Very nicely done.

Bob


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:02 pm EST

Great shot by Shattenkirk.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:02 pm EST

Nice pass by SHATTENKIRK and great deflection by LETTIERI.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:02 pm EST

Go Vinni Go!

Pal17


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:02 pm EST

Go Vinni Go!

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:59 pm EST

Gritty looks like a hairy testicle.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:55 pm EST

RHET: Maybe. But he has a few block shots in this game, including one that got them out of trouble when they were gassed. He does a lot of little things in all three zones. getting on the scoreboard will certainly help his cause though. I think he has some chemistry with HAYES. Maybe this is sort of an audition for him to see if he can make the team and be the RW on the HAYES' line. It make sense to have a shoot first guy playing with HAYES.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:51 pm EST

but yes... he has otherwise looked pretty good.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:51 pm EST

So the shots in the period were lopsided toward Filthy but I think all of them were from long range. The Rangers didn't have may shots or chances either. The HAYES line generated some chances but no shot in the shift they had before the PP. I thought the HOWDEN line looked ok. No chances but they forechecked well. The FOGARTY line had some good moments and some shaky moments. MESKANEN looks better in this game then in his first game. LINDGREN stepped up and got absolutely burned on what turned into a 2 on 1 for the Flyers. SMITH had a bad unforced turnover with the puck after the HAYES line was out there for a long time and needed a change. McQUADE was steady and physical. O'GARA played well defensively.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:50 pm EST

Vic... He needs to get one tonight to cement his spot on the team.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:46 pm EST

RHET: He had the right idea and did a nice job of pulling the puck to a shooting position in front of the goal but it looked like it was on edge when he swiped at it. Would have been nice to score there at the end of the period.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:42 pm EST

Not a good time for Lettieri to get hands of stone.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:37 pm EST

Vinni, Vinni, Vinni.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:34 pm EST

There is GRITTY!!!!!

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:31 pm EST

The Twitter meme's for Gritty have been outstanding. He should be re-named "creepy."

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:28 pm EST

CM: LETTIERI-HAYES-STINKY, MESKANEN-ANDERSSON-SCHNIEDER, VESEY-HOWDEN-FAST, LINDQUIST-FOGARTY-McCLEOD.

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:27 pm EST

And I don’t think these Philly cheesesteaks are going to mention anyone’s name on the Rangers

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:25 pm EST

Where is "GRITTY"? I haven't seen him yet. Clearly he isn't a big enough draw to get people to come to this game......

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:25 pm EST

Can somebody tell me the lines? I missed the beginning and I’m not finding any tweets or blogs or anyone with camp coverage that isn’t speculation or “how I’d do it” info!

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:22 pm EST

Of course. None of the front running fans are showing up.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:20 pm EST

Wow, the stands are empty. I've seen more people at a high school hockey game in Houston....

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:19 pm EST

What a difference an offseason with a new coach has made for some of these guys.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:13 pm EST

Nice check by McLEOD on himself....

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:02 pm EST

At least we get to watch this one live tonight....

Vic


Thu Sep 27 2018 5:38 pm EST

Vescey will not be cut ......

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 5:06 pm EST

To me the NYR will be keeping 8 defensemen and 13 forwards, which Jess Rubenstein maybe forgot? IDK ....TD.... I don't think anyone wants to lose Vesey for nothing, but if he doesn't make the team and other teams aren't willing to give us anything of real value for him, it's highly likely that he would make it through waivers this time of the year. Other players of equal or higher value have already cleared. That said, I think he'll get the 13th spot, but whether he keeps it or not is something else entirely.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 4:48 pm EST

Cutting VESEY and putting him on waivers is utter and complete madness. Underscored. In bold. And in neon. Madness. He hasn’t had a great camp, but he’s by no means alone.

tdchi


Thu Sep 27 2018 4:42 pm EST

The fact they keep putting McLEOD in these games is just laughable. He has no business on this roster. What he’s showing now is no different that what he showed in Colorado, Nashville or last season here. Only difference is he is older and slower now.

tdchi


Thu Sep 27 2018 4:36 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 2h @MikaZibanejad shooting lefty

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 2:40 pm EST

Claesson

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 2:40 pm EST

Hospo: I agree on both counts. They have more than enough cap space to carry Claussen and given Vesey's relationship to DQ I have to believe he'll be given more games in the regular season to turn things around before Fogarty gets his chance.

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 2:30 pm EST

Rhet - agree about the goalies..From THAT cut list, I don't see Claesson being cut yet...nor Vesey...at least at the begiinning.....Unlike in the past, the Ranger can carry the max bodies...That cut list also means FOGARTY being kept before Vesey..Not that he hasnt out played him,,but...Still think there could be a trade or even a signing,,

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 2:22 pm EST

Interesting.I can't say that I agree with backup goalie, but that's just me ....Per Jess Rubenstein.... Rangers make cuts is no surprise, none has stood out. Fontaine and Gettinger are getting closer, Gropp is falling behind and for John Gilmour, he has to be very disappointed in himself. Gilmour failed to build upon his late-season play to force his way on to the team.... (Rubenstein) My next cuts: ....Forwards--Holland, Howden, Lindqvist, Meskanen, Schneider, Vesey IR --Nieves and Beleskey ....Defensemen: Bigras, Crawley, Hajek, Lindgren, O'Gara, Claesson ....Goalies: Georgiev, Tokarski ....Remember these are the last cuts

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 1:07 pm EST

PROJECTED #NYR LINEUP TONIGHT VS PHILLY: ...GOALTENDERS ...Tokarski ...Georgiev ....SKATERS ....McLeod ....Hayes ....Fast ....Shattenkirk .....Vesey ....Schneider .....Lindqvist .....Fogarty ....Smith ....Hajek ....O’Gara ....Howden ....Andersson ....McQuaid ....Lindgren ....Meskanen ....Namestnikov ....Lettieri

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 1:04 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... OFFICIAL: #NYR have made the following changes to the #NYRTC roster: Fontaine, Gettinger, Gilmour, and Gropp have been assigned to @WolfPackAHL.... Butler and Melanson, have been released from their respective Tryouts and will join the Wolf Pack Training Camp.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 27 2018 12:56 pm EST

E - And he's definitely giving/given guys like Vesey, Namestnikov, Spooner, Fogarty, Littieri, Andersson,Howden, McLeod (already won the job) plenty of opportunity to make their case or the opposite..I am surprised about Meskanen and lindqvist now that Ranger47 mentioned them..maybe the plan always was Hartford at the start for them

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 12:15 pm EST

I think preseason is about right. Teams need enough gametime for their kids and to give their veterans a chance to get their games dialed in. The NYI pretty much had their lineup settled as many teams do for the last two games. Seems like DQ is still evaluating talent. So, the games have been more meaningful. I think a team can dress always play a sparse number of their starters and give their kids as long a look as they’d like. And the pace has been good. Not overly entertaining. And when the pace is good players do get into it more. Gets the heart rate up. Even if vets might in some cases be avoiding high risk plays or pulling up on checks and not risking injury. This final game you have some guys on the bubble who really want to make their case for a roster spot. The more preseason you give those guys, the better. We can see DQ is sheltering some of his vets. He’s shut down a few of them. That to me says that they already have a few bruises or they’re just ready to go.

E


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:58 am EST

Ryan Graves has been put on waivers

tlats


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:18 am EST

Hospo preseason should be 4 games after they have a 23 man roster set......this has been tryouts ....they need to separate it into 2 ......

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:17 am EST

As for this new type of Ranger play and "playing with tempo, with intensity"? For the most part, that has been missing no matter what the coaches say.Last night was a prime example

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:15 am EST

tdchi it seems pretty rare for teams to claim guys before the season starts, like some unwritten rule or courtesy....unless it's known the team waiving them are hoping the player gets claimed......

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:15 am EST

I agree and disagree with Brooks on the camp being too long..I think the teams need the time to build chemistry and lines/pairings..but the games are another story...They suck..Little malice or passion and just seems like friends playing a friendly game with skill and nothing else..It's the guys that take it more seriously that I like watching......Also agree with Brooks about the "first" line..They can play well on the PP and open ice but how good will they be at ES and when things get tighter and more serious??

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:10 am EST

Well....it’s that time of the pre-season again...where I make a case for the Rangers to claim Kerby RYCHEL, who was waived yesterday by the Flames and is now on his fourth organization. Again: ZERO risk signing. A player who has good talent, speed and a real mean streak. Perfect bottom line claim for this team. In fact, I wish I could simply repost my post from last year. But...they won’t claim him or anyone else from waivers.

tdchi


Thu Sep 27 2018 11:10 am EST

Ranger47 - I'll be honest, I forgot about those two...They havent been in the lineup...Still, not the type of players i think the Rangers need right now o compliment what they have..Meskanen looked OK in the one game I saw him but Lindqvist was another Namestnikov..but, who knows, maybe they have been making strides in practise

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:56 am EST

Playing together is two words. Clearly not a linguistics expert. But I agree with his point nonetheless. One of the things that I really like about this NYR strategy is they play serious N/S hockey. If you watched closely theyve been doing player crosses and pick plays thru the neutral zone. And if they have to swing wide they aren’t dumping the puck instead taking the puck to the boards and fighting to win the battles. This is what I like to see. They are attempting to impose their will on the other team and having the confidence that they’re gonna win those battles. A vast majority of their goals I’ve noticed are not from the margins. They are within 5-8’ from the net. They have lots of tightening up to do obviously. But the style of play is what I like. Entertaining hockey. I hope that I am not wrong in thinking that this is the best way to win nowadays. But this is more west coast style hockey that we’ve been seeing out here over the past few seasons.

E


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:51 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/09/27/mika-zibanejad-needs-to-shine-or-the-rangers-will-look-dull/

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:50 am EST

i don't agree ..... Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 15h15 hours ago Training camp is simply too long. Diminishing returns at this point. Vets bored, objective now is to avoid injury. If league isn't going to open earlier, no reason for camp to begin before 9/20. Four games and go. No team's finances depend on an extra home exhibition gate or two.

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:38 am EST

As I watched last night's game with Buch-Z-Kreider I was thinking we ought to call them the BeZerK line. :)

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:37 am EST

Hospo: Does your 11 include either Meskanen or Lindqvist (I assume not). If so, are you assuming they are not going to make the team?

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:33 am EST

Stevie: You beat me to it!!!

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:33 am EST

Haven't seen tonight's lineup yet, but we might see Georgiev and Tokarski splitting the time unless DQ has already selected the backup goalie and the one going to Hartford....

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:28 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 58m PROJECTED #NYR LINEUP TONIGHT VS PHILLY: GOALTENDERS Tokarski Georgiev SKATERS McLeod Hayes Fast Shattenkirk Vesey Schneider Lindqvist Fogarty Smith Hajek O’Gara Howden Andersson McQuaid Lindgren Meskanen Namestnikov Lettieri

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 10:27 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 26m “Three words I’d use to describe our team would be playing with tempo, with intensity and playing together.” Get to know new #NYR Assistant Coach Greg Brown in this exclusive interview presented by @rennycmidtown .

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:10 am EST

so far I have faith in the mighty Quinney to deal with guys from last year's roster, and their attitudes of preseason games. if they continue to not show up and play his way in the first 10-20 games, eelboy will have to make some decisions. read between the lines of what he said after last night's game.besides fast and relentless etc , they all have to be accountable. and all that entails ....crime and punishment time....along with some communication and patience.... mighty has to undo the damage done by his predecessor.....and weed out the guys he doesn't want.....asap....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:08 am EST

Ooops, HOWDEN too but I think he needs to be in HARTFORD this year

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 9:07 am EST

Ranger47 -Namestnikov and Vesey have been like that all pre-season..bascially worthless..Chytl didnt have a great game but he still made some damn good plays even when yo-yoing between C and W..He's always dangerous, you cant say that for too many Rangers, and he has learned defensively....I think he has to be in NY.....As for the forwards, I think the you have 11 forwards including Mcleod, Littieri and Andersson that are on the team.....It leaves the rest---Vesey, Namestnikov, Fogarty, Gettinger fighting for 1 or 2 spots...It should be the 1st tow, but they have sucked...Woulndt be syrprised if the Rangers picked up another forward form elsewhere....The top 8 D seem set also..who starts is another story.

Hospo


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:45 am EST

Namesnikov was also reasonably invisible as well. Also thought that although Chytil had a coupe of positive plays he looked more like someone who needs more time in the AHL along with Howden. Still think you need to make room for Littieri on the team. I have the feeling that if DQ chooses the "best defense" there will be more youth than if he takes the easy path of vets + DeAngelo with all the young'uns except for Pionk headed to Hartford. Should be interesting to see whether DQ has a real competition tonight or merely gives those headed to Hartford one last game.

Ranger47


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:13 am EST

stevie: No - trade OTBG to the Islanders for a first rounder - ala Trader Phil getting Michel Bergeron!

rf4L


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:12 am EST

Jimmy Vesey with 13 non-distinct minutes last night. What's wrong with this guy? Is he one of the few Rangers actually missing AV?

rf4L


Thu Sep 27 2018 8:10 am EST

Tdchi the nyr should give them otbg.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 7:13 am EST

schneidw - If the Rangers drafted like the Islanders, fans would be burning effigies of Gorton in the streets. Here's a quick recap of some of their wonderful draft picks: DAL COLLE at 5(over NYLANDER, FIALA and LARKIN to name a few), who hasn't yet topped 15 goals at the AHL level...Griffen REINHART at fourth overall(over LINDBOM, TROUBA and FORSBERG to name a few)...Legend-in-his-own-mind Josh HO-SANG at 28th(over KEMPE, DONATO, DVORAK and MONTOUR)...Ryan STROME at fifth overall(over SCHEIFFLE, COUTURIER, ZIBANAJED, and HAMILTON)...And the picks go on and on...the Islanders' approach to drafting is basically to blindfold the GM and then throw a dart at a board bearing the names of 500-plus teenagers.

tdchi


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:39 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 8h "It’s more of the young guys that are upset that you lose any game. It is the preseason and the regular season doesn’t start for another eight days, but you want to win...it’s nice to see those young guys have that type of emotion.” - #NYR Head Coach David Quinn

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 6:02 am EST

Going to be interesting to see how the mighty Quinney will lead and discipline his players. I think he can get them to be respectable. I hope his temperament will get their attention. There are some bad habits they need to be corrected.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 27 2018 12:54 am EST

You've got to be F*#$ing kidding me. I am stuck having to watch the MSG rebroadcast of the game and MSG decides to "move ahead" through the last 5+ minutes of the first period. You know....where the Rangers scored to tied the game. Is this a joke? Can these people actually be that incompetent? Regardless, I am through about 12 minutes of the 2nd period now. I don't get the doom and gloom that some have posted about. I'm not sure what some folks' expectations are but clearly they need to be lowered. This team is chock full of mediocre veterans. To expect any more then mediocrity from them would be silly. So in watching the first 32 minutes (minus the 5+ minutes MSG didn't show us) the thing I have enjoyed most is the PIONK/CRAWLEY pairing. Through this point in the game PIONK has been really good and I really like CRAWLEY. He has been solid defensively through this point in the game and right after the ZBAD goal he absolutely destroyed KUHNHACLE in front of the goal and then gave a shot to KOMOROV who came in. Yeah he got a 2 minute penalty for it but I don't care. I'll take a few penalties any day if my D is going to destroy guys in the crease like that.

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:05 pm EST

RF4L - 2 Games away and it would have been..Them's the breaks..I dont regret the deal one iota...Window closed..Now it's time to start opening it up again...but....SCREW HUGES!!!

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:01 pm EST

EDIT: HUGHES not QUINN

schneidw


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:01 pm EST

NYRs: Gonna get way worse... be prepared but remember... QUINN is the goal... not the playoffs

schneidw


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:59 pm EST

schneidw: Yeah, I think that was one of the 2 firsts coughed up for MSL. Good trade!!!

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:58 pm EST

In what I saw of the game (about a period in total), the Rangers did not play very well - in the last 8 minutes the Islanders were clearly the better team. Curious what DQ's take on the game will be...

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:56 pm EST

Anthony Beauvillier was acquired using teh NYRs #1 2015 draft pick... NYI sure do draft well...

schneidw


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:46 pm EST

Lame goal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:44 pm EST

Ohhhhhhh Well

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:41 pm EST

No matter what happens in OT, one of thse meh games where the objective just seemed to be "nobody get hurt"...Outside of the PP which means little in theses pre-season game, prtetty much a nothing game..nobody sucked..but nobody jupeed forwward and played a good game...Hope he Flyers attack them tomorrow night so maybe there will be more of a pulse..

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:34 pm EST

Shakey Skjei for sure!

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:23 pm EST

And yep Hospo...bring on the regular season. Please!

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:22 pm EST

Watching the Rangers not generating much and spending more time than they should in their own zone - gotta say this is where Hayes is, I think sometimes, unappreciated: He often gets the puck and makes things move and therefore, take time away from the opposition with the puck. I see it missing big time from the Rangers game tonight.

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:14 pm EST

Did these teamss have a pre-game agreement not to hit and to play pond hockey?..Hard to evaluate..little relevance

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:09 pm EST

Kreider needs to be more aware when he's playing with skilled players like Buch and Chytil...

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:08 pm EST

3-3

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:32 pm EST

All tied up 2-2

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:14 pm EST

Z-BAD!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:14 pm EST

Zabadabadoo

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:53 pm EST

Someone better check Jimmy Vesey and see if he's conscious. He's playing like a 10 year vet that's conserving his energy for the regular season. The guy could soon be out of a job.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:49 pm EST

Pavel the Gavel

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:49 pm EST

I was hoping that Geo was going to close out this game. We need to get at least a 2 goal lead and hope that Mazanec can hold on.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:46 pm EST

It's a Power Play GOOAALLL!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:43 pm EST

BUCH TIES THE GAME!

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:35 pm EST

I know it's pre-season but sloppy play by the Rangers that's reminding me of the past few years. Missed passes all over the place. Skjei skating like it's houseleague and loses the puck from an Islander who catches up to him (easily) and knocks the puck away. Hopefully a case of old habits dying hard.

rF4l


Wed Sep 26 2018 6:26 pm EST

We are no match for the the Islanders They are buzzing around us and we are stationary. Not to mention that they push us around with barely any effort

rangerlou


Wed Sep 26 2018 5:39 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 1h "Guys have made decisions difficult, but we're getting down to the end. The last 2 games will certainly put a lot more clarity in where we're at and what we're going to do moving forward." -#NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 26 2018 4:53 pm EST

Lias Andersson is listed at 6-1 204 on the NY Rangers website

tlats


Wed Sep 26 2018 4:27 pm EST

Nashville Predators ‏ Verified account @PredsNHL .... #Preds assign Eeli Tolvanen to the Milwaukee Admirals #PredsCamp

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 3:24 pm EST

As I've mentioned ad nauseam before (andI I will again now), the NHL is getting smaller. We're going back to the TGO days where 5' 11'' to 6' 0" was the new norm. The better defensemen coming up will now be in the 5'11' range instead of 6'2" or bigger. Speed of course, is at a premium. Keeping that in mind, you really can't call a Lettieri or Andersson "small." ....Also: Andersson is listed as 6'0" and not 5'11." Lettieri in camp impressed me a bit. I had soured on him after last season, but he came to camp, worked hard and was relatively physical in his play. If he's going to get/keep a spot on the team, it's crucial what he does away from the puck. Do I think he's a shoe-in to make the team? No.... Would I be shocked if he did make the team? No.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 2:54 pm EST

E: Also, everywhere I've seen LITTIERI listed they show him as 5'11' and 195lbs. If those numbers are accurate then it isn't like he is MZA small at 5'7" and 180lbs. The NHL has CALLY listed at 5'10" and 187lbs.

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 2:39 pm EST

One note on size with hockey players, it’s a little relative sometimes. Lias is 5’11 but he is 205. He’s a big boy. He does remind me in some ways like an Owen Nolan. Owen was shorter but he was like a fire hydrant. Sometimes size isn’t the be all and end all. Sometimes you just gotta be of tough mind and working with your gifts and ability. I remember Hagelin when he was younger. He was 170 on his best days. He’s 190 now and he is strong.

E


Wed Sep 26 2018 2:24 pm EST

Perry to be out five months for Ducks following knee surgery

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 26 2018 2:24 pm EST

Mark Easson ‏ @myNHLTradeRumor ..... The Josh Ho-Sang Saga: Personality Clashes and Possible Trade Destinations.... https://mynhltraderumors.com/the-josh-ho-sang-saga-personality-clashes-and-possible-trade-destinations/2018/09/26/

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 2:22 pm EST

Injuries: Seth Jones out 4-6 weeks due to knee injury and Corey Perry damaged the meniscus and MCL in his right knee during warmups on Monday night.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 1:40 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 3h3 hours ago Back at @NYRangers morning skate. Matt Beleskey is out 2-to-4 weeks with a shoulder separation, but Jesper Fast is OK. He didn't skate with the game group this morning, but he's going out on the ice now with the rest of the guys. Said he's fine, and he'll play tomorrow if asked. 0 replies 0 retweets 1 like Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2d2 days ago David Quinn refused to say what Jesper Fast’s injury was. He just repeated that Fast was taken out for “precautionary reasons.” He did say it’s not a major thing. Beleskey hurt his shoulder. Not a long term thing, Quinn said.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 26 2018 1:21 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 2h2 hours ago Because of injury, Beleskey cannot be placed on waivers/sent to AHL. Will thus start season on IR. Same would apply to Nieves as long as he remains in protocol. Cap ramifications, though minimal, for NYR. Beleskey NHL pro-rated 1.9, AHL 875,000.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 26 2018 1:06 pm EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 3h PROJECTED #NYR LINEUP TONIGHT VS ISLANDERS: GOALTENDERS Lundqvist Mazanec SKATERS Staal Kreider Shattenkirk Spooner Vesey Zuccarello Pionk Howden Andersson McQuaid Chytil Crawley Skjei Buchnevich Namestnikov Zibanejad Lettieri Gettinger

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 26 2018 1:00 pm EST

Don't stop there, after Shatty, trade Stall, Zucc, Namestnikov

mf


Wed Sep 26 2018 12:29 pm EST

Has Gorton asked for Shatty’s 10 team NTC list yet?

Ola


Wed Sep 26 2018 12:29 pm EST

Has Gorton asked for Shatty’s

Ola


Wed Sep 26 2018 12:20 pm EST

E: Well said on LETTIERI and I couldn't agree more. I do think he has offensive upside as well. It is hard to say what his ceiling is at this point but I see better playmaking and shooting skills then I saw in FAST as he was breaking into the league. Certainly better the HAGS. But time will tell if he can develop into that kind of a two way player.

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 12:02 pm EST

Are you talent scouts saying that Hartford is deep and going to be competitive this season but we don't have a Tweener to call up for Belesky?

mf


Wed Sep 26 2018 12:00 pm EST

My guess is teams are looking for the Sens to eat some salary.... Per Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Zack Smith clears waivers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 11:52 am EST

E - Agree about Belesky having long odds but a player like he showed in camp--some size, toughness and can play--is exactly what the Rangers need on the 4th...Sorry, but I don't see the comp of Littieri with Dom Moore...Moore could skate, pass,PK, FO..what I see in Littieri is a scrapper, while not exactly a hitter, will go to the net..and likes to shoot....Anybody pick up Zack SMITH???

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 11:41 am EST

HOSPO: I think Belesky was on the outside looking in from the get. That doesn’t mean I think he was necessarily Hartford bound. Honestly, he’s had a good camp. As for VL, I don’t think he’s a great upside guy. He is undersized and I know we’d like a 4th that bangs with some big and heavy guys but my cousin hit it on the nose. He compared him to Dom Moore. Just a utility knife guy. He plays with more of an edge then Moore. I mean he VL seems to have an emerging ability to get under the skin of opponents. Sean Avery he isn’t but like we all can remember, Avery could drive another team insane. Dom Moore was a massive pain in the ass to play against. He was clean but he was relentlessly all over the puck carrier. Classic puck pursuit guy. I like these guys. They skate well enough to move up and down the lineup. They have skill to score. They can kill penalties. This is why I always joke that I wish Fast could be cloned. He doesn’t wreck you, but he is a gut shot every time he is on the ice. He seems to always jump the play and as soon as you get the pass he is on you and finishes his checks. He’s not a killer. He just will outwork you up and down the ice. I used to play against Jim Dowd. He was like that. He was just relentless in puck pursuit. Of course, he was also far and away the best player on the ice as well but it’s his ability to disrupt the play that made him so effective. At his best that was Callahan. Just a relentless puck pursuit guy. These types are the foundation of what you want in your bottom-6. And believe it or not sometimes these smaller guys are even harder to deal with because they are so agile on their skates and have such a low base. And they are hard to hit clean off the wall, they just bounce off. In today’s game their impact can not be understated. I mean out here you got guys like Cogliano, and Couture (admittedly also has elite skills) who are just aggravating to play against. They have so much speed, they pressure the puck so much, and force turnovers all over the ice. So, like all things it’s all about balance right? But I love these types of players. I find that a lot of fans don’t get them. Like when I’ve heard people question why Fast won the McDonald trophy. Sure, they aren’t high profile guys. But man is your team better for having them.

E


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:06 am EST

Sucks about Belesky..rather have him on the 4th line than some of the other current options..also means McLeod needs to dress EVERY game IMWO

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:04 am EST

VIC - I dont hate Littieri..I appreciate his CONSISTENT hustle and scrappiness...but I think peole tend to overblow it from his preseason stuff...Still I can actually see him as a part-time 4th liner and Black Ace or, maybe even long stretches as a full-time complimentary winger to a physical wing on the the 4th line..But that's it for me..and it also underscores how poorly the other guys are performing and maybe the lack of depth we have...which bring us to VESEY..He has noone to balem but himslef..At times over the past two years he has show the signs of 2nd-3rd line winger..most other times like this preseason? Garbage...Still, I think they need to give him every chance this preseason before moving on from him....And I guess the same stands for NAMESTNIKOV although I think he's the type of player the Rangers need like the Plague

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 10:01 am EST

VIC: I understand your point re: VL. I also like him. I think he is a developmental hockey player. Is he far enough down the road to be here now is really the question. I think he is a real gamer. Ultimately, by seasons end I wouldn’t be surprised if he is a fixture in the lineup.

E


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:57 am EST

Interesting how Nemo has disappeared from the equation. I would expect that he is likely gone before Vesey is. Vesey is a DQ type of player. Nemo is a prancing pony cut from the same cloth as Alex Semin.

E


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:53 am EST

BELESKEY out 2-4 weeks. Separated shoulder. Not how I would have preferred the decision made, but it’s the right one.

tdchi


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:49 am EST

HOSPO: I know you are no LETTIERI fan but I thought I would share with you why I like him and why I think he can be a part of the new core moving forward. He reminds me of a cross between CALLY and HAGS. He doesn't possess HAGS' incredible speed (who does?) but he is quick and a good skater. But the core of that similarity to me is the way he relentlessly forechecks and backchecks. And while he isn't the hitter that CALLY was he is a physical, agitating presence that goes to the net, is tough to play against and isn't afraid to get his nose dirty. To be clear, I'm not saying he is the "best" of HAGS and CALLY. What I'm saying is that he brings a lot of the things that those guys brought to the team. He also has a bomb of a shot that not a lot of folks talk about. He hit the post/crossbar 4 or 5 times last year with that shot (cleanly beating goaltenders). Had those gone in people would be talking about him in a much different way.

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 9:21 am EST

I don’t have an issue with the Rangers moving on from VESEY, per se...but if they are, they better 1. Get something for him —anything; and 2. Have plan in place to replace him. You may argue that he’s not effective and has t become the player many thought he would become...no disagreement there...but he’s still a producing player and a somewhat important part of the top nine...also, there are other forwards who have been equally underwhelming(see: NAMESTNIKOV) and guys who I don’t trust much farther than I can throw them(see: SPOONER). The Rangers aren’t exactly deep in wing after losing NASH, GRABNER and MILLER. And I don’t think the answer is to move guys like HOWDEN and CHYTIL to the Wings...an even more nightmarish scenario is to move on from Vesey so that two-bit hacks like McLEOD and BELESKEY can creep into the top nine...or that the Rangers go dumpster diving for one of the recent vet cuts from another team...

tdchi


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:46 am EST

Hmmm, apparently Nolan Vesey is still waiver exempt. Then he can join Jimmy Hayes on waivers :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:40 am EST

OK..my bad about the 4th line..I think..the size and pushback is needed

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:39 am EST

Wow, Brooks lines are idiotic in many ways...Putting the two best passers on the team (MZA, Hayes) on the same line...ZBAD only likes to shoot, who will be seeting him up? .CHytll on wing..ANdersson not ready for 3rd line yet..a horrific 4th line..No thought to the size and push back that will be needed..and I dont mean the new Brad Marchand Vinnie Littieri

Hospo


Wed Sep 26 2018 8:30 am EST

Brooks Top 9 suggested lines are as follows.... Chris Kreider, Mika Zibanejad, Pavel Buchnevich.... Filip Chytil, Kevin Hayes, Mats Zuccarello...... Ryan Spooner, Lias Andersson, Jesper Fast.... That would leave a fourth of say... Vesey, Name, McLeod.... or... maybe Vesey sits and Lettieri or Beleskey also makes the team. Vesey has been VERY underwhelming. I would also be okay if he joined his brother on waivers (yes, I know Jimmy cleared).

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:19 am EST

TD: I agree with you regarding ANDERSSON. But I think he is an NHL player now and should be in NY. If he centers the 4th line I think he could be really successful with guys like LETTIERI and maybe VESEY on his wings. I just wish we were seeing more out of VESEY in this camp. He has been a disappointment so far. I'm not giving up though. Hopefully DQ can help him reach his potential.

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:14 am EST

A few things. First, since I suggested it a few days ago I clearly have no issue with starting the season with CHEETOS on the wing. For a young player in his first full NHL season there is nothing wrong with easing him into the NHL game. Let him play the wing where his defensive responsibilities are much easier and much less critical. As we saw in his last preseason game, when he gets lost in his own end as a Center it is going to lead to goals against. By the end of the season, when the roster has changed significantly, I have no doubt he would be back at Center and ready to handle the responsibilities in all 3 zones. The other comment I have about the roster is that a lot of people get focused on who the top 18 are with respect to talent or who has earned it. They also focus on what they think the Rangers should have with respect to they type of players (i.e. physical, fighters, talented, etc.) on the bottom two lines and bottom D pairing. However, probably one of the biggest factors in those decisions for DQ is going to be the makeup of the PK unit. With the players they have they won't have to worry about who will play the PP. The PK is another story. The Rangers lost NASH, MILLER and GRABNER up front from last year. Those were 3 of the 5 most used penalty killers (FAST and HAYES being the other two). Who will be taking their place. We've seen DQ try KREIDER there but to be honest I haven't been impressed with him in that role in preseason. I don't think McLEOD or BELESKEY are quick enough or good enough hockey players to be effective on the PK either. That is why LETTIERI stands an excellent chance to make this team and be an every day roster player. With LETTIERI in the lineup I think your prime PK guys will be HAYES, FAST, ANDERSSON, LETTIERI and STINKY. The next guys up will probably be ZBAD, SPOONER and VESEY. Plus LETTIERI adds a right handed "shoot first" mentality to the PP. We will know what DQ thinks in a few days.....

Vic


Wed Sep 26 2018 7:11 am EST

I'm conflicted on ANDERSSON. Part of me says he should start in Hartford, get big minutes and work on his offensive game...but with a player like him, the main reason I would think he needs to start in the AHL would be to build confidence...but quite frankly, the guy is brimming with confidence. And while I don't think a stint in the AHL will hurt him...I'm just not sure how much it'll help...what I think he needs it to continue to adjust to the faster pace of the game...if he can get 13-plus minutes at the NHL level per game, I think that would behoove his progress better than 20-plus in Hartford...the flip side of the argument is that I think there's going to be a great atmosphere in Hartford for a change...a lot of young, talented players...Andersson would be a HUGE asset to that team as both a player and a leader...and man, would it be yet another feather in his cap...another dynamic is the fact that HOWDEN will be down there too...and he's gonna warrant 18 minutes a night at least...preferably more...so no matter what, he's going to be splitting time with someone.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:35 pm EST

TD... Interesting if true. Kreider is also supposed to become the PK specialist (besides playing on the PP). Of course the easiest solution would be to play all four lines pretty much equally(or near equal time-wise), but we already know that Quinn is not going to do that and that they're currently figuring out who their top nine will be. Personally, I would prefer Chytil or Andersson to be in the top 9 if they're going to make the team (whether if be at center or on the wing) ....Hospo.... As Chytil already played the wing in one preseason game, Andersson hasalso played wing in Harford. The nice thing about having so many centers on the team is that the hot hand can take the faceoff.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 8:23 pm EST

HOSPO: to further your point. Thats why a lot of what DQ preaches is my playbook. Fast, physical, and puck pursuit.

E


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:57 pm EST

RHET - even nuttier to put him on the 3rd line when there are three centerss better than him and he's not ready or to put himn in Hartford when he's ready fir the NHL..Rool four lines with him on the 4th...Might vary from night to night, but he''lll get his time..and like TDCHI said..also get PK time..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:30 pm EST

Rhet0ric - While I generally agree...I did hear on one of the broadcasts...and I can't remember if this was inane announcer banter or Maloney insight...that the Rangers were thinking about starting ANDERSSON as their fourth line center and then loading the kid up with special teams play. I'm positive I heard it from an announcer...I just can't remember who and whether it was idle speculation or that he was repeating something Quinn mentioned...LETTIERI-ANDERSSON-McCARRON sounds like one hell of a fourth line to me.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:28 pm EST

RF4L - McCARRON ain't gonna win any fastest skater competitions, but he's not THAT slow...Great comparison, like I mentioned before, is Brian BOYLE...Not sure if you recall, but back before Boyler was acquired by the Rangers, the Kings were pretty convinced he was just too slow to be a forward in the post-lockout NHL. Like the Rangers did with JESSIMAN, they drafted him with the thought/hope that the NHL would resume without a major overhaul of the rules...and when the exact opposite happened, they tried very unsuccessfully to convert him to defense...and when that failed, they flipped him to the Rangers for pennies on the dollar...On the Rangers, he landed in the lap of Tortorella, who despite being a totally flawed coach, could see full-well how a guy of Boyle's immense stature could be an asset --despite his skating issues...In fact, there are just so many similarities between these two guys...Boyle, too, struggled mightily with consistency...and just unreasonable expectations...Ditto with McCarron...he's been in that trainwreck of an organization...they rushed him out of juniors(hence why he's waiver eligible) and then onto the team...and then benched him for long stretches...I can even remember thinking WTF are these guys thinking starting a worthless sot like MARTINSEN over this kid...As for whether they'll claim him? I'd say there's a 99 percent chance they don't...And that's a shame. He's younger and better than either BELESKEY or McLEOD...and in the case of the latter...faster. He's the perfect zero-risk claim, who would make both the aforementioned forwards expendable.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:13 pm EST

Finally got my copy of "We did everything but Win" 1964-1976. Should make for some interesting reading . I can't remember who it was on here that mentioned this book awhile back on here. But, THANKS. I didn't know it existed. At my age this is gonna be a great trip down memory lane for me.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:51 pm EST

Can we stop putting Andersson on the 4th line? He is not going to make the team only to play on the fourth line. Nutty.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:26 pm EST

E -Your 4th line doesn't have to be all skill and speed..if it controls the puck with banging, size and some speed, that's all you need..dirty goals still count, right? And they were the only line that scored last nigth by the Rangers at ES..and the muckers have been the best forwards all preseason, outside of CHYTL..That wont last but here's still room for them in this game..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:22 pm EST

MF - Hey..I like Vesey..I thought he was gonna have a step-up year last year but he didnt..and I remained bullish on him this year to the point i had him on the thrid line..but he has SUCKED so far this preseason...Still time of course..he needs to play much bigger consistently..Maybe him and Namestnikov wwill take a cue from how a bunch of players played last night? We'll see..As fro that line, still disagree..to me it's more about talents and abilities meshing than age.and what the team needs...

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:17 pm EST

DQ wants to roll 4 but wants a mixture of speed, skill, and toughness with the ability to crash the net. Whether the analytics geeks like it or not, until there is a better option than McLeod to fulfill the toughness/net crashing ability he will be on the 4th line. I predict VZ gets 1st crack with Vinnie in wings. The team will not be a stretch pass, speed only one trick pony. Last night showed us that with plenty of Ranger checks and dirty net crashing goals. Just think of McLeod as Quinn's version of Shawn Thornton during his Bruin years on that 4th line with Campbell and Paille. Quinn is a Boston boy and likes a tough team. Exact reason we have Quader right now. And I have zero problem with it.

Stepunmytoe


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:15 pm EST

You gotta roll four lines that can play. You wanna keep a thug, dress one less defender. Your fourth line has got to still threaten offensively nowadays.

E


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:03 pm EST

https://www.tsn.ca/rebuilding-rangers-eye-modest-goals-not-deep-playoff-run-1.1180507

schneidw


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:54 pm EST

Hospo, me thinks we throw VESEY to the Wolves a bit here.. Let him grow a pair and become PF.... I think those three would be great, they're all close in age and each brings something different to the equation...... As for Gettinger, I thought he sucked Vichyssoise in game one.... Not a good skater, and on one shift I saw him get too cute and callous with the puck 2 times on the same breakout of our defensive zone... He needs time in Hartford and hopefully last years production numbers aren't a fluke......

mf


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:42 pm EST

MF - We'll have to disagree...Vesey hasnt earned or leanred anything it seems..Littieri is a gnat..though he could be a compliment to a bigger wing on the other side..and the pup ANdersson could use a big guy running shot gun sometimes..I'm sorry, I just think this team needs a bigger guy that will bang and protect at the drop of a hat on the 4th lien.Every night (doesnt have to be Mcleod but he is earning it so far).JMWO of course..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:31 pm EST

4th Line: Vesey / Andersson / Lettieri

mf


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:30 pm EST

Hospo: Oh I get the allure and I'd not have an issue if the Rangers claimed him but with McLeod and Beresky already here I don't see it happening. And let's not forget that while that MOntreal team is rather screwed up and management there has been making some odd decisions recently, the Canadiens are small team lacking skill - if he cannot make it there, can he make it as a Ranger?

rF4l


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:13 pm EST

RF4L - As a forward on the 4th line? I'm not so sure about that..but likely a moot point for Ranger fans

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 5:06 pm EST

McCarron is like McI - too slow for today's game.

rF4l


Tue Sep 25 2018 4:50 pm EST

I dont trust ESPN for anything hockey related, but they ranked the NHL teams by forward groups and defense groups..They had the Rangers at 29 and 24..Even I think that might be a little too hardsh..but..maybe not....Another thing they showed was a chart of percentage of points via the PP over the last 3 years (http://www.espn.com/fantasy/hockey/story/_/id/24786083/fantasy-nhl-power-play-dependent-players-danger-losing-fantasy-value-2018-19)..Guess who was # 1? Shattenkirk at over 50%..ZBAD wasnt in the list..but his percentage as a Ranger (38%) would put him around #10 among forwards...Well, lets hope they have a good PP then!

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:58 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 41m41 minutes ago “I think the passion you bring to the rink every day…I think it just helps you bring that speed, that quickness and the relentlessness.” Get to know new #NYR Assistant Coach David Oliver in this exclusive interview presented by @rennycmidtown.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:52 pm EST

Chris Nichols ‏ @NicholsOnHockey .... “My sense is that there was interest - legit interest - in Zack Smith, but the Ottawa Senators would have preferred draft picks, they didn’t want to have to take a contract back." #Sens #Flames #Oilers

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:51 pm EST

Jess Rubenstein ‏ @TheProspectpark .... This year's version of the Ottawa Senators is like the old versions of the California golden seals where if you were decent they got rid of you this is a team that should have its ownership stripped from it for the good of the game... But because Ottaws ownership is very loyal to Gary Bettman then Bettman will turned a Blind Eye to the destruction of that franchise and offer it to Seattle for an obscene amount of money

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:44 pm EST

Hartnett: Rangers' Quinn Could Be Perfect Blend Of Vigneault's, Tortorella's Best Ideas.... https://wfan.radio.com/blogs/sean-hartnett/david-quinn-could-be-perfect-blend-vigneaults-tortorellas-best-ideas

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:41 pm EST

Buttman will bail them out

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 3:16 pm EST

With Zach Smith on Waivers today, Sens fans must be absolutely beside themselves. They continue to lose players for pennies on the dollar or in this case, absolutely nothing. That is one joke of a franchise. When do they announce that they're moving?

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 2:45 pm EST

Should have read "I would be LESS concerned with finishing higher with vets this year ..."

Ranger47


Tue Sep 25 2018 2:44 pm EST

Hospo: I see your point and in most seasons would agree with it. But for me trading away borderline vets for picks or prospects to continue to fill the pipeline ought to take priority since the team next year and thereafter will have reasonably different (upcoming core players of the future) I would be more concerned with finishing higher with vets this year versus building a winning attitude starting next year. I also want to make it clear to borderline youngsters that there WILL be a spot for them over borderline vets. AND, I want to open up more spots in the minors for up and coming or borderline youth to see what we've got and prepare them for a possible next step to the big club. I'm tired of seeing players we didn't give enough of a chance due to vet blockage go somewhere else and become NHL regulars. I'd rather they develop here or at least showcase them enough we can trade them for more picks/prospects. JMHO, sir!

Ranger47


Tue Sep 25 2018 2:27 pm EST

TSN Hockey ‏ Verified account @TSNHockey ..... From @DarrenDreger: Former NHL head coach Mike Keenan is battling prostate cancer and is helping raise awareness of disease. More: http://tsn.ca/1.1180536

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 25 2018 2:00 pm EST

Re: the Sens - stupid part is that they were on the upward swing and had a decent farm system before their moron GM started making just ridiculous moves...like trading for the corpse of Alex BURROWS...dealing TURRIS and ultimately getting king douche, DUCHENE. They dismantled a very good framework that could have been easily parlayed into a contender...I mean hell...even going a bit farther back...the RYAN deal. And moving FOLIGNO for METHOT, who they gave away...shit, the ZIBANEJAD trade!! Just soooo many bad moves...MAD moves even. I remember a few years back watching them in the playoffs and thinking man, in a few years, Ottawa could be a powerhouse. All the tools were there. And they pissed it away, one trade after the next.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 1:54 pm EST

Hospo - WHOAH!!! Mark the calendar!! We agree!! Honestly, he reminds me A LOT of another big-ass US born forward we had a whole back l: Brian BOYLE. Big difference is that McCarron has always had a mean streak. I’m frankly surprised that Montreal waived him, because there’s a lot of utility in a player like that...he would be 1,000 times the player that McLEOD is...even on his worst, most inconsistent day...looking at the trash heap that is the Canadiens, I’m really quite surprised they’re risking him on waivers...he would be a find and a half for the Rangers...and so would FASCHING ;)

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 12:59 pm EST

sound familar ?......Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Ian Mendes ‏Verified account @ian_mendes 26m26 minutes ago Less than 18 months ago, the Sens played in Game 7 of the ECF. If Zack Smith is gone, he'll join this list of departed Ottawa players from that game: E. Karlsson K. Turris M. Hoffman M. Methot D. Brassard D. Phaneuf C. MacArthur V. Stalberg C. Kelly F. Claesson That's crazy.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 12:34 pm EST

TDCHI - Usually I see your waiver wire picks and just say to myself, what the hell is a Hugo Fasching? (or whoever else it might be)....Not so with McCarron. every time I have seen him play, I liked what I have seen in his toughness and size,,and he can play "a little"...Also a USNDP kid...But moot, I think the Rangers are set on Cody McLoeod of the Clan Mcleod! There can be only one ....goon.

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 12:10 pm EST

Another guy on waivers who might ring a bell: Ryan HAGGERTY. Yep, the one and the same. The Pens, I understand, have inked him to an NHL contract. Supposedly he’s turned some heads in pre-season and they expect him to start the year in Pittsburgh. Good for him, I say. He was always a hell of a player but suffered the injury bug. Gonna be one of the first if not the only one I’ll root for in a Pens Jersey.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 11:45 am EST

Couple of good claims to be had on the waiver wire today...claims the Rangers won’t make, but I’m gonna post them anyway...we talk about toughness...well, if ou want to make his roster a hell of a lot tougher, claim Hudson FASCHING from the Yotes. Kid plays a real sandpaper bull-in-the-China-shop game. Perfect add for fourth line...and waivers out of Montreal, Mike McCARRON. Get those two playing wing on fourth line, and we won’t here shit about the Rangers being weak. If the alternative is BELESKY and McLEOD...well, Gorton should really think about making a couple claims here. Granted, they’re both being cut from weak rosters...so that goes to tell you something there...but I’d love to see a talented pivot between those two...like ANDERSSON.

tdchi


Tue Sep 25 2018 11:02 am EST

By Rick Carpiniello 4h ago 22 NEW YORK — Baby steps. If you look, you can see that the Rangers are taking little tiny strides toward where they want to be on Oct. 4 and beyond. We all know not to expect too much and certainly not to expect anything near perfection. But these Rangers, just 10 days into training camp and the preseason, are making progress in getting to know their new coach and a new system, especially in the defensive zone. He’s also getting to know them and apparently getting through to them. They played their best game of the preseason on Monday, a second 4-3 overtime win over the Devils, this one less ragged, much rougher, and far more complete. They won it when video replay overruled the on-ice officials who totally somehow missed Vinni Lettieri’s game-winning redirection under the crossbar of a pass from Kevin Hayes, the second assist going to goalie Marek Mazanec, who made the long outlet to Hayes to finish off a frantic, crazy 3-on-3 sudden...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 11:01 am EST

Larry Brooks Sports Analyzing the Rangers’ crucial roster decisions

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 11:00 am EST

Hospo that was you or Irving moofman, alias Larry babbling brooks.....

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:50 am EST

Ranger47 - Personally, I'd like to restart the winning culture in NY right now and why not try for a PO spot?..I don't mean trade youngsters for it, but ice your best team..Look, there are about six horrendous teams in the NHL (no need to sink on purpose) and then the Rangers are probably in the next group of 5-10 somewhere..so it's possible...Also, I want to play kids when they are ready, but dont want to play them just because they are younger..AI also like what I have seen from Gettinger and Fogatry (and both Mcleod and Belesky too) and they are bigger bodies..but they really dont play mean or big like Mcleod...I honestly think the Rangers need that up front given the softness of the top 9...

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:28 am EST

Question ? When we name the King's back-up, what happens to the other two and if they go to HTF, what happens to Halverson and/or Nell ?

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:25 am EST

Also...seems to me that specifically for this year when we're not overly concerned with making the POs (and in fact would rather finish lower than be a bubble team) we should err on the side of letting the young'uns play as opposed to borderline vets taking up spots. So, for me, I'd rather see Vesey, Namemesnikov, Belesky, McLeod, Staal, etc, moved in favor of playing guys like Littieri, Fogarty, Gettinger, Howden, etc, to as great a degree as is feasible.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:16 am EST

I somehow missed Fast's "injury" but saw he was gone in the 3rd period... Why was he taken out for "precautionary reasons"? Was it a blow to the head?

Ranger47


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:15 am EST

Speaking of bigger players, I thought Gettinger had a good game and having him play on the 4th line with Littieri intrigues me.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 25 2018 10:02 am EST

STEVIE - I dont know who wrote that huge cut and paste job, but not much there different than anything that has been said here for awhile... Especially the questions regarding CHytl, ANdersson, Vesey and Namestnikov..To me, it would be silly to play CHYTL and his game at Wing...He's been one of the best Ranger forwards as a TOP 6 CENTER and excels in the middle of the ice..and I dont think Andersson is ready for top 9 C , he disappears at times.....4th C is fine...And this "High octane grittiness" of LIttieri instead of bigger forwards with physicality like Mcleod or Belesky (if healthy)? No thanks...A compliment to it? Yes..maybe..He has been better than both Vesey and Namestnikov..Hell, everybody has..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:47 am EST

seems whatever they decide their roster will be decent, as will Hartford's .

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:41 am EST

The club is still keeping two full groups, necessary as Monday started a stretch of three games in four nights. But by the preseason finale, on Thursday night Philadelphia, Quinn said they’re pretty much going to know their team.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:36 am EST

"The decisions up front are largely dependent on Chytil’s deployment. If he remains in the middle, then Andersson — more confident than he was a year ago — would become the fourth-line center. That would eliminate any chance for Brett Howden, also having an impressive camp, to stick in that role. But if Chytil moves to the wing, the fourth center spot would become open. Then the decision would be whether a smaller role in New York or a larger one in Hartford would benefit both Howden and the organization over the long haul. And never forget: While shoddy play will not be excused, 2018-19 is about the long haul. So let’s return to Proposition Top Nine. Zibanejad and Hayes are two. Adding Chris Kreider, Pavel Buchnevich, Mats Zuccarello and Jesper Fast make six. Chytil is seven. Ryan Spooner makes eight. And then maybe Andersson is nine. Can we contemplate: Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich; Chytil-Hayes-Zuccarello; Spooner-Andersson-Fast? One truth that is inalienable: Fast is a top-nine forward. He proved that often enough when used in that role by former coach Alain Vigneault. He seems the perfect linemate for Andersson. What about Jimmy Vesey, you say? What about Vladislav Namestnikov? That’s what Quinn might be wondering. For while it is always difficult to evaluate veterans in camp because they tend to approach things on their own timetable, but neither Vesey nor Namestnikov have looked anywhere good enough to have cemented a top-nine role. Indeed, if not for their names and résumés, neither has done much at all to earn a roster spot. Both need to pick it up. So a fourth line perhaps with Vesey on one wing, and Namestnikov in the middle with Cody McLeod and Vinni Lettieri vying for the other spot. Or maybe, Howden between Vesey and Namestnikov with McLeod and Lettieri vying for the 13th forward spot. And really: If Smith and McQuaid are in on D, do the Rangers need the specter of McLeod in uniform to keep the opposition honest if Lettieri, who got the winner to cap a showcase night in which he got 20:21 of ice and was involved throughout, presents a high-octane, gritty alternative? There are decisions ahead, but more of the micro variety. The Rangers are looking to identify their 23. Quinn is seeking to identify his top-nine. The latter is what the next few days — and, in truth, the opening weeks of the season — will be about."

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:13 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/09/25/rangers-will-take-their-time-to-decide-their-top-nine/

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:11 am EST

"And while Quinn said that “five or six spots” might be open, it seems like the staff is facing no more than one or two generally interlocking personnel decisions before the 23-man roster is set in advance of the Oct. 4 opener at the Garden against Nashville. Libor Hajek and Ryan Lindgren have been impressive in their first pro camps, but both seem destined to begin the season with the AHL Wolf Pack. The Rangers are likely to start with eight defensemen, with Brady Skjei, Marc Staal, Brendan Smith and Fredrik Claesson the four lefties and Kevin Shattenkirk, Adam McQuaid, Neal Pionk and Tony DeAngelo the four righties."

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:07 am EST

RF4L - The Rangers did play with more spunk last night (finally) but they are still small (or play small) up front...You need a bigger guy or two like McLeod of Bbelesky (but now injured) to bang and protect.. And it hasnt hurt that the 4th line has often beeen the Rangers best this pre-season just by crashing,....so, yeah, I dontn see him beiing cut either..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 9:03 am EST

OLA/RF4L - Pesonally, it wouldnt bother me much if we lost Deangelo for nothing..but..he has showed some good signs in the pre-season and I do think you keep him at least for the start of the seasonn and see what shakes out...There will be injuries..and ther may be a trade......As for sending PIONK down just because he has options---to me that would only be an option if there was little dfference between him and the others..That isnt even remotley true...He's probably been the steadiest D-man the Rangers have this pre-season (and late last year)..Guys like Staal, Claesson, Deangelo havent been close defensively...No way he gets sent down, options be damned..

Hospo


Tue Sep 25 2018 8:55 am EST

Any question as to whether Pionk stays is ridiculous. He's our second best Dman after Ski. Stall is just that, stalled. He should not be standing in the way of anyone. Seems like DQ was a big fan of the 2011 Bruins while in Boston. Likes a team with attitude and push. I will say the Rangers threw more solid checks in the game last night than I have seen in some time. Actually crashed the other goaltender. At one point dislodged the net and knocked off Lacks helmet. Also some good open ice hits by Zbad and Claesson. I like it.

Stepunmytoe


Tue Sep 25 2018 8:28 am EST

Ola: I think you can temper your annoyance. It's a safe bet I think to envision him making the team out of camp. How much playing time he gets, however, is another thing. Pionk, the only other young player vying for a spot at this point on the Ranger backline, is playing very well overall and arguably, plays a sounder overall game. Pionk, however, can be farmed out without hitting waivers and may be the choice simply because of that (but it would be a temporary thing - if/when injuries start and/or poor play dictates, he'd surely be the 1st guy called up). Now if ADA starts floundering once the regular season start, as he did last year, that's another thing. Also, 2 things: 1) The saying that you can never have enough NHL calibre defensemen has merit 2) It's possible come a quarter way into the season, a trade or 2 occurs, especially if the likes of Hajek and/or Lindgren sparkle in the AHL. The roster, in other words, won't be set in stone come next week.

rf4L


Tue Sep 25 2018 8:23 am EST

For you Cody haters, here's quote from DQ on his play in the pre-season - I highly doubt this guy is going to be cut: “Cody played well. Cody played well in Bridgeport (Saturday vs. the Islanders). He’s a straight-line player, plays a North-South style. He’s got an edge to his game. He was a big part of our first goal in Bridgeport, was a big part of our first goal tonight. And one thing I liked about our game tonight was we went to the net a lot more. There were scrums at the net front . I thought we had been a little bit soft offensively and … I thought our guys did a much better job of getting to the net and having traffic and allow us to sustain some offensive zone time. He’s a big part of that.”

rf4L


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:57 am EST

Ola starting the season with 8 d is ok if the mighty Quinney is going to rotate them in each game , while sending down any that don’t have to clear waivers or others that eelboy doesn’t care if they get claimed . It’s way past time to make the cuts down to 30 -35 with only 2 games left .

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:42 am EST

I also don't for a second buy any talk about 'it won't hurt us to wait and see and carry 8 Ds for a while' bla bla bla. A young kid must play. You can't sit him for months waiting for someone to go down and then expect him to just hit the ice and play well. Like when a McDonagh misses time he looks like crap when returning. For a kid its of course even worse.

Ola


Tue Sep 25 2018 7:40 am EST

Am I the only one who is a bit annoyed at the prospect of losing ADA for nothing just because we have a bunch of older vets on the blueline?

Ola


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:57 am EST

mf

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 6:57 am EST

MF

stevielegs


Tue Sep 25 2018 1:28 am EST

Rhet

mf


Tue Sep 25 2018 12:24 am EST

They, did we trade Staal yet?

mf


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:43 pm EST

VIC - Though it was a better game, gotta remember the only line that scored at ES was the 4th line..and the other lines had some issues, although they were down to 10..Agree on Hayes... forwards..Agree PIONK had a good game..I thought people were over the top with Pionk last year..but I think he is turning himslef into a steady, non-flashy two-way D-man..I dont worry about him defensivly liek I do DeAngelo..Hell, even Shattenkirk.....OTOH Deangelo has a little more offensive moves..

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:13 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 32m "I would say that the last three days have been my best three days of camp. I made some adjustments, so I felt a lot better today and it’s definitely a step in the right direction.” -#NYR @HLundqvist30 after stopping 14 of 15 shots tonight.

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:12 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 25m “I thought our guys did a great job getting to the net. Tonight was certainly a step in the right direction. We played much more purposeful hockey.” - #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:06 pm EST

This was actually a pretty good game. It was regular season speed for the most part and you saw most guys handle it with no problem. Really impressive game from PIONK tonight. He played MUCH better then DeANGELO tonight. If those two are fighting each other for a spot then PIONK just put some distance between him and DeANGELO. FOGARTY had some strong shifts. He moves the puck pretty well. His weakness is his speed. When get game gets fast he just looks a little too slow. This was generally a pretty good game for the Rangers. If not for the turnover on the STAAL/BUCH play and the two goals that MEZANEC probably should have been in position to cover the Rangers win easily. I thought LETTIERI played a good game and got better as the game went along. He leveled that one Devil coming around the goal in the 3rd period but the camera pulled away and you couldn't see it on the replay. DQ is giving LETTIERI every chance to make this roster. He needed to cash in on that goal in OT to show he can contribute on the scoreboard as well. HAYES played a good game as well. He setup a number of scoring chances and had some good shots. Just a great play by him on the game winner as well. And HANK looked like HANK again so hopefully his first game was just an aberration.

Vic


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:58 pm EST

GRUBA is the POS who took out Nieves with a (according to fello POS Daneyko) “incidental” hit to the head. Beleskey knee who he was fighting, but slipped and Gryba fell on him. Then McLeod got Gryba in the 3rd. If McLeod is also hurt, that’s three potential 4th liners he took out. He’s made more cuts than Quinn!

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:23 pm EST

Newfie _ and Amen to that..BUCH vexes the hell out of me the way he plays...Kid has talent but....I hope he takes to the nurturing of the current Ranger coaching staff and rewards them with being smarter and less of a perimiter player on a cocisitent basis

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:19 pm EST

Hospo…...Amen to that on Chytil (he is gonna be special)…..and maybe we can try and get Buchnevich to do the same ?

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:19 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ... Matt Beleskey, who is in a battle for a roster spot with the Rangers, sustained a shoulder injury tonight. David Quinn said he wasn’t sure on the extent yes. He said he didn’t think it was long term, tho.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:18 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Quinn said that Jesper Fast was pulled for "precautionary reasons," and added, "He should be fine." #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:14 pm EST

You know what I noticed msot about tonights game? I noticed what wasn't there..Chtyl and the way he trys to go the net with szie, speed, skill

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:12 pm EST

RF4L _ he is scrappy, I'll give him that, would just like a more physocal player on the bottom line given what we have on the top 9

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:09 pm EST

Nice to see Letteri score that goal. He does work hard. I'd like to see, however, more physical play out of him.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:00 pm EST

tlats - Yep..been sayinng that..Especially If he learns to use his body and size more, the way guys like Malik did...

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:58 pm EST

Not as crazy about Littieri as most, especailly as a 4th liner, but he had a good game and he sure has played better than Namestnikov and Vesey! Not sute that matters though..Both Fogarty and Gettinger player a good 4th line game..Maybe as call ups during the season?

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:56 pm EST

Hayes looks poised to have a big year

tlats


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:55 pm EST

That performance by Letteri should give the coaches something to think about. Too bad about Belesky and McLeod just might have to stay around,he is old school with Quinn in charge.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:47 pm EST

So Tino’s kid ends this game in OT, just like Franz Beckenbauer did to him all this years ago.

Bob


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:44 pm EST

How we won with Mazanec in goal is nothing short of a miracle.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:43 pm EST

Beautiful patient play by Hayes..nice tap in by Littieri

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:43 pm EST

GOOOAAAAALLLL!!!!!!!! Vinny Pizza Man Lettieri

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:43 pm EST

Locatelli

mf


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:43 pm EST

Lettieri!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:42 pm EST

RANGERS WIN!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:41 pm EST

GO TO THE REPLAY MORONS!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:34 pm EST

OVERTIME

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:11 pm EST

RF4L So true...OK, I just heard that Belesky got hurt in a fight with Gryba?? That sucks for him...Cody Mcleod 4th line winger! Say what you will, he does stand up for his team-amtes..and the Rangers need that..

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:11 pm EST

BTW, I assume this is a Devil broadcast. Danekyo talking up Devils all over the place - Shittelitti spewing drivel all over the place, as usual.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:11 pm EST

Beleskey left hurt and it looked like McLeod hurt his fist on that fight. BTW, anyone seen Fast?

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:10 pm EST

Hospo: The guy McLeod just beat up took Belesky out in a fight.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:10 pm EST

OMG, 3 babbling idiots. Just a bush league broadcast. No one gives a shit about 90% of what they yammer on about.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:05 pm EST

Hey, If the Rangers dont want ANdersson as a 4th Center, maybe sign Mark Letestu ho was released by the Panthers? There will likely be a few guys availablr that can help the Rangers if they choose to

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:05 pm EST

Weak goal. This guy, I predict, will not be the King's backup.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:01 pm EST

Kreider is the new Grabner.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:00 pm EST

God, the Ranger announcers are nauseating......Anyway, Only turnedd on at the beginning of the 2nd..Better team defense then the last two games...Other then BUCH leaving Staal out to dry on the Devils goal, nothing bad..ALtohug hStaal and CLaesson I expect more out of....A few nice goals by the 4th line......other then that...Meh..What happened to Belesky? Havent heard his name

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:57 pm EST

GOOOOAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!! Kid ROCK

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:56 pm EST

What a pass by Z-bad.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:56 pm EST

Kreider.... it's a powerplay goal!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:37 pm EST

rf4l...You are absolutely correct. That's what coach Coach Quinn is trying to put in place.Plau tough abrasive and accountable

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:36 pm EST

Gotta say, I'm not sure of the pure venom spouted on here by some about McLeod. Just watched Zbad get tripped with a bit of a knee and McLeod was on the ice and immediately went to the Devil and let him know that was noticed. I cannot recall the last time I saw that in the previous 2 or 3 years. So missing from this team's overall game and I like it.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:25 pm EST

Lettieri had a wonderful opportunity to take a Devil out with what would have been a nice bodycheck high in the Ranger zone and chose, instead, for a drive-by stick check attempt that didn't accomplish much. Doesn't he realize if he makes the team it won't be as a top 6 forward??

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:25 pm EST

Please please please please someone cross check Taylor Halls Lips

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:21 pm EST

Nosen sure seems like Ty Smith of the Devils...

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:17 pm EST

Zabadabadoo with a crushing check

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:14 pm EST

Pionk making a statement here...

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:10 pm EST

Nice pass by Fogerty to the point to start that play.

rF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:57 pm EST

Beleskey woud be a great agitator for us

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:49 pm EST

Brendan Smith being interviewed, playing his way into trade value shape!?!? I'll take O'Gara or leave the slot open for 20 other Lefties.....

mf


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:39 pm EST

F I Daneyko! Incidental my ass!

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:34 pm EST

DeAngelo and Lettieri will be tossing pies at Famous Ray Pizza by the end of the month

rangerlou


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:32 pm EST

As NYR FANS, we want guys like Beleskey and Smith to make the team. It means we will have an opportunity to get rid of them and their cap hits (hopefully by the deadline).

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:28 pm EST

Beleskey-Andersson and Lettieri just had a great shift cycling in the zone. Landy really forechecks.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 24 2018 6:13 pm EST

TD- Beleskey played well. I know he’s underwhelmed the last few years, but he’s hardly a zero. Doubt he makes the team, but it’s not like he’s a washed up has-been on an invite!

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:55 pm EST

TDCHI - No love..He played a good game the other night..More of that and he can help this soft team and group of forwards more than some of the other players hanging around (i.e., Litieri, Fontaine etc..) and you dont have to worry about his ice time or if he sits in the stands and wilts...But hey, if the younger guys outplay him, they should get the spot..if not send their asses to Hartford...

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:40 pm EST

I'm amused by the BELESKEY love. The guy is a zero. He's always been a zero. The only guy I would take him over...literally...is McLEOD.

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:38 pm EST

Steve: Nah... AV is a guy who can come in with your veteran team and take them to the next level. He seemingly is not very good at cultivating talent. Buch while playing well in spurts didn't thrive under AV. Hopefully, DQ can unlock a lot of his skills. I think Buch gets lost in the shuffle with all the gems but Buch is a hell of a hockey player with a tremendous amount of unfulfilled talent. We shall see if he can take the next step.

E


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:15 pm EST

VIC - Yes he did..I was gonna say something but i didn't want to jinx him...PJ - Totally agree on Smith, Belesky but that's only based on 1 game so far.....and agree on Deangelo too but he hasnt been bad so far and maybe will prove me wrong....

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 4:32 pm EST

DeAngelo will wilt in his own end when all the scrubs are gone and real bullets are flying...We aren't good enough in our own end as it is....Can't carry little Antny....

PJ


Mon Sep 24 2018 4:28 pm EST

Also hoping Smith and Beleskey make the team....Not sure why they need to see more from Mcleod....Hope Skinny Jeans doesn't get shelled again...

PJ


Mon Sep 24 2018 4:26 pm EST

CM: I'm not counting out FOGARTY yet. He had an impressive game in his first preseason game. If he has another one tonight he could may a strong play for a spot on the roster.

Vic


Mon Sep 24 2018 3:55 pm EST

E veenyo psyched them out

stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 3:02 pm EST

Coaching is part psychology. Especially with young guys.

E


Mon Sep 24 2018 2:07 pm EST

Interesting lineup tonight. A little surprised not to see Meskanen or Fontaine. I also thought Lindvist and Lindgren would get another game. Maybe they do in one of the back-to-backs. Not sure why McLeod keeps getting games unless they are thinking of sending him to Hartford? Or maybe they just want him to protect the kids. Either way, the next cuts should be: Gropp, Schneider, Fogarty, Butler, Melanson which would give us two teams exactly (plus Nieves on the DL).

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 24 2018 2:02 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 1h1 hour ago Shattenkirk not in tonight v NJD, but is penciled in for back-to-back Weds, Thurs home v NYI and at Philly, per Quinn.

stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 2:00 pm EST

GREENBURGH, N.Y. – Tough love often comes with tough results. Some players need a swift proverbial kick or wake-up call. Some respond to it. Some don’t prosper from it. Some hate it. But when a coach applies such tactics to a player, usually a young one, what really determines its success is how that player responds. By that metric, the tough love applied by Alain Vigneault to Pavel Buchnevich over the last two seasons was a failure. Did Buchnevich deserve some of it? Yeah, his attention to defense waned at times and his engagement level was inconsistent, sometimes barely existent. But it failed because it affected Buchnevich negatively and hurt his development and his confidence. Enter David Quinn, who has been nothing but nurturing to the 2013 third-round pick as he enters his third NHL season at age 23. Quinn, through the first nine days of training camp, is often seen taking Buchnevich aside, sometimes sharing a smile, often...

stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:59 pm EST

Gritty looks more like Ricky from the meth lab in Nevada

E


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:52 pm EST

E - I actually though SMith was the best D-man on the ice the night he played and did what the Rangers need..Also thought Belesky was one of the top forwards, playing the type game that is needed...They deserve the looks...But they gotta keep showing

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:50 pm EST

RF4L - I was talking about that last week..The Rangers have 8 d-men that can play at the NHL level to some degree..After Pionk's performance last year, you would think he would be in NY..but..with McQuaidf and Claussen brought in, who knows...Then you have DeAngelo...who always looks good in open ice but then starts to go down hill when things get tighter and more structurted..but..maybe he's learned? And then you have SMith? who looked real good in his first game..Is he back? Yep..alot of questions...Good depth to trade from also...Package a D-man..a forward..and ?? and maybe get a physical Top 9 winger?

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:37 pm EST

Beleskey and Smith are sure getting a lot of looks. So far, neither stood out to me. But a blueline that has Smith and McQuad should get some people’s demand for a tougher blueline quenched. I’m fascinated with the amount of depth that the New York Rangers have in position battles right now. Moreso then I’ve seen in a very long time. But, DQ has lots of bodies to move in and out until he finds what he wants.

E


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:37 pm EST

So here is a little fun for you on a Monday......"Internet reacts to Philadelphia Flyers' new mascot 'Gritty'" (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/internet-reacts-philadelphia-flyers-new-mascot-gritty-video/19v5x4oantcq01fgqn2kse3lba)..............Some truly funny memes and clips. Here are some good ones as well. I love the screaming kid after the Flyer promo clip of "Gritty"....(https://twitter.com/FanSided/status/1044250303783145475)

Vic


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:24 pm EST

Oh and also farmed out will be Lindgren and the other kid who was throwing his weight around against the Islanders Saturday night.

rf4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:23 pm EST

A Ranger training camp burning question: Will Pionk be farmed out because he can be without hitting waivers due to too many defensemen? Shattenkirk, Staal, Smith, Skjei and McQuaid are eating up 5 of a possible 8 spots. Add in DeAngelo and Claussen and you're up to 7 spots. No way should Pionk be in the pressbox more often than not so if he fits into the top 6, who gets bumped? This is of course, making the assumption Gilmour and O'Gara get waived (and likely neither will be claimed) and Hajek starts on the top pair in Hartford.

rf4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 12:21 pm EST

TDICHI: No argument with your lineups... gonna be a BAD year which is what we need/want for our HUGHES watch... Your 2nd line needs to be traded/cut by year end.... ZUCC-HAYES-VESEY all need to go... Vesey is a bust

schneidw


Mon Sep 24 2018 12:19 pm EST

HOSPO: I can't come up w a better example than Nedved... been WAY too long that is for sure... maybe Darren Turcotte??

schneidw


Mon Sep 24 2018 12:05 pm EST

TD: Dammit, Sather is a freakin' genuis!! LOLOL...

rf4L


Mon Sep 24 2018 11:54 am EST

TDCHI - Actually , they both lost big time..And as long as we are stringing deals together,and the winners of the Deal were the Penguins! They got Hagelin (for Perron) and who helped them win the Cup that year!

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 11:42 am EST

So here’s an interesting one: the Ducks today just announced they have put Julius NATTINEN on unconditional waivers, for the purpose of terminating his contract. Presumably, this will let him go back to Europe and play either in Finland or the KHL. Who is this guy? Well, he’s the second-to-last player/pick. Over in the ill-fated HAGELIN deal...the Ducks got HAGS, a sixth rounder, and a second for ETEM and the Ducks’ second rounder. The Ducks moved HAGS for PERRON, whomthey lost to free agency, and ironically, CLENDENING, who they lost via waivers. They drafted some kid named Metcaff with the sixth rounder, and he was a bust —retired from hockey. And then they drafted NATTINEN with the Rangers’ second, who was loosely called a second or bird line center. He has a pretty dismal year in San Diego last year..and was cut in camp today...so now, the only piece still in play from that deal is Ryan GROPP. So guess what?!? Rangers win the deal!!

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 11:18 am EST

New York Rangers @NYRangers · 2h PROJECTED #NYR LINEUP FOR TONIGHT vs NJ: GOALTENDERS Lundqvist Mazanec SKATERS McLeod Hayes Fast Staal Kreider Claesson Zuccarello Fogarty Beleskey Smith Pionk Andersson Skjei DeAngelo Buchnevich Zibanejad Lettieri Gettinger

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 11:10 am EST

Hospo...both have tons of skill but so far ho hum camps to the where Babcock called them out. I think the Swede is more a Babcock favourite...

RF4l


Mon Sep 24 2018 11:08 am EST

andrei - Suffice to say, we see MILLER totally and 100 percent differently. Miller, talent-wise, was one of the best the Rangers had up front. The only guys I’d say were Lenore talented are ZUCC, BUCH, NASH and Z. The kid oozes high-end talent. His big drawback has been his propensity for making boneheaded plays defensively. And sometimes he reaches for the complex play and not the simple one...like a lot of talented players, he pushes the envelop constantly...he reaches for the $100 million move, when sometimes the dime store move will suffice...if the Rangers weren’t going to give him $5 million, then Gorton is a fucking moron and whatever he’s doing now with the retool will likely be done in vain. I’m. Not going to speculate on WHY the Rangers traded him. Suffice to say, I believe it was a bad decision and that ultimately, we’re gonna watch this kid put up 70 points this year on STAMKOS’ line.

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:51 am EST

RF4L- Hey, what's the take in Toronto on Kapaanen and Johanssen for the Leafs this year and where and if they will play? yeah, I got one on my fantasy team and have zero clue!

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:49 am EST

LeoS - yeah, maybe, it was weird seeing him at the point and DeAngelo down low on the side for some of the PPs..cant say I get it

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:40 am EST

I wonder if they'll continue to use Buchnevich on the PP point once the full squad is assembled. He seemed good there in 2 games.

LeoS


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:17 am EST

SCHNEIDW - Yeah, that was a stretch!..Not my favorite either.......but Nedved at his best did have a few really good years in the NHL..Just had a hard time coming up with a big, fast, skilled, N-S but not overly physical Center from the Rangers past to compare him with..I'm all ears..

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:13 am EST

andrei - no problem..we obviously view things and want to watch things differently..we'll see

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 10:10 am EST

So I happen to like Schadenfreude...Isles made their cuts a little while ago...the great HOP-SING is back to Bridgeport...joining him there will be Michael DAL COLLE...if that name doesn’t ring a bell, don’t worry. It hasn’t been ringing any bells for the past two seasons...he’s the guy the Isles stupidly picked with the fifth overall in 2014 —the same year they drafted legend-in-his-own-mind Ho-Sang, who is well on his way to being an AHL star. The Isles, in drafting Dal Colle, passed on all of the following: EHLERS, NYLANDER, LARKIN, FIALA, TUCH, SCHMALTZ, and PASTRNAK...ouch!

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:52 am EST

Hospo, no offense man, but if this team is somehow competitive and fighting for the playoffs spot, we are doomed. Another 15 years without a cup.. I want no part of that. They have to get franchise talent. This is a very good and deep draft. You draft in top 5, you will get a superstar franchise player.

andrei


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:49 am EST

Chytil: HOSPO did you just compare him to NEDVED???? Please NO! my least favorite NYR ever.... not even close.. do not jinx this young kid :-)

schneidw


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:39 am EST

andrei - Look, if a kid isnt ready for the NHL, I always err on the side of caution and want him in the AHL getting experience....But, IFFFFF a kid is ready for the NHL and gives the team a better chance to win than vets (i.e CHYTL over Namestnikov) or fringe NHLers, keep him in the NHL and dont stash him in the AHL to win at Hartford..That being said, from my limited viewing, the only two that I think fall into this category of "ready" are CHYTLL and ANDERSSON..Maybe they will fall back or others rise up over the next week or so...Anyway, I hope they make the Rangers a better team NOW, make them more comeptetive NOW..and for the future..I want nothing to do with just trying to suck and plan for three years down the road and maybe turning into the Isles or Oilers,..No reason they cant try to be competitve, fight for a PO spot with a sound defensive system that everybody buys into and still be developing for the future...OTOH, if you stash all the kids and your centers are ZBAD. Namestnikov, Hayes and some piece of trash...just cancel the season..

Hospo


Mon Sep 24 2018 9:10 am EST

Ranger players are still growing despite being in their mid 20's Jesper Fast | #17 RW | 6' 1" | 192 lb | Age: 26 | New York Rangers. this is from NY rangers official site. Since when has Fast been 6-1

tlats


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:25 am EST

If it was up to me, all kids, including Chytil, Andersson, Georgiev, Howden, Hajek and Lindgren will be playing in Hartford. No harm in having them play major roles and top minutes while current roster will be enduring mess that 2018-2019 Rangers will be. Please do not kid yourself. This season will brutal. Shampoo boy will see his record of consecutive 20+ wins broken as this team will SUCK. Keep the baby Rangers down and let's see Hartford finally have a winning team and play in the playoffs and have a shot at the Calder Cup. Kids might get a look after the trade deadline, but till then, keep them down. I see no reason to have Chytil play on the 4th or 3rd line in NHL, while he could be playing on the 1st line in AHL. Kid is only 19. There is a lot to learn from playing on a winning team, then be part of the loosing culture...

andrei


Mon Sep 24 2018 8:10 am EST

tdchi, what's with the Miller obsession? Miller needed to go, so was Mcdonagh. JT is a good player, but at $5.25, i want no part of him. I will be very surprised if he still on a first line by the season end. There were zero chance that Rangers would have resigned him at the rate he was looking. JT knew it, and Rangers knew it. At $5 mil per, you better produce, and i hope he does. Personally, i like him, and wish him well, but i have my doubts...

andrei


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:39 am EST

Well, it's time for my annual 'let's claim MATTEAU' post...Stefan MATTEAU is again on waivers from Vegas. Still 24...guy isn't going to be a superstar...but this is EXACTLY the type of player we need on our bottom line: Big, fast and mean. I would love to give him a 20-game audition for the 12th-13th forward position...but the Rangers haven't claimed Matteau the past five or six times he's been on waivers...can't imagine they'd start today.

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:35 am EST

My take on the roster is this: Top line should be BUCH-ZIBANEJAD-KRIEDER...no real mystery there...second line: ZUCC-HAYES-VESEY...Time to see what Jimmy V. can do with a top-line assignment. With two playmakers on his line, let's see if the kid can put up 40-plus points and 20 goals...hopefully more...SPOONER-CHYTIL-FAST...Give Chytil a guy who can score goals and a guy who is very good defensively...LETTIERI-NAMESTNIKOV-MESKANEN...Look, I know some of you like the edge BELESKEY brings, but the guy has lost a step. He will be a total zero once the speed of the game gets cranked up a notch. He should be waived or traded...iClod should join him on waivers, because the game has quite clearly passed him by...I don't, however, have any issue with either being a 13th forward...if I'm going by players who made the roster on skill alone, then ANDERSSON and HOWDEN both make the team...but they need top-line minutes...and while I'd love to see Andersson centering that bottom line instead of Namestnikov...I'm just not sure he'd get the minutes he needs to succeed. I read somewhere that the thinking now with the Rangers IS to have him center the bottom line, and then get him a TON of special teams minutes...and that also makes a lot of sense...so the bottom line would probably be NAMESTNIKOV-ANDERSSON-FAST, with LETTIERI swapping up to the third line wing slot...I could handle that as well...and then keep iClod as the 13th never-play forward...D pairings: SKJEI-SHATTENKIRK...no brainer there...SMITH-McQUAID...I really liked what little I've seen so far of Smith. He is a different player...and in a good way...I would like to see his offensive game develop, and hence why I'd give him a guy like McQuaid as a partner...then STAAL-DeANGELO. The latter, IMO, has made the team. And the fact he has to go through waivers cements this fact, IMO. Position is his to lose. If he can't contribute or play defensively, PIONK is just a short metro ride away in Hartford...CLAESSON should be the seventh defender, even though he's probably better than Staal at this point...I would also consider keeping GILMOUR as an eighth defender...HAJEK, like Howden and Andersson, has made the team...but it's a numbers game and he's better off developing in Hartford than on the bench here...O'GARA...good player, but if there's a guy I'm going to expose on waivers, it's him. I suppose we could keep him as the eighth defender...but Gilmour is the more-skilled of the two...and the in net, GEORGIEV backs up Hank. I like TOKARSKI, but Georgy is the better of the two, IMO...and the guy I'd pick when Hank gets shelled.

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:20 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 9h9 hours ago Monday @TheAthleticNYC A story about my sit-down with Pavel Buchnevich, in which we discussed his new coach, his old coach, and his buddies and linemates. #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 7:17 am EST

Pal17 - that's cutting your nose off to spite your face. If NAMESTNIKOV isn't going to be part of this roster, then they MUST trade him. He will get claimed in a heartbeat if he's demoted. I don't think he's played bad, per se. Solid defensively. Just almost zero offense. And it could be that he's simply in that role...He is, for lack of better comparison, a FAST-like player. A guy who plays all three zones well, but not superb. I think it was a very bad mistake for the Rangers to swap him and MILLER...just stupid, TBH...but I still believe that it was that swap that made the deal happen for Tampa...that they were very hesitant to move two top picks and two top prospects for McDONAGH alone...'cause HAJEK and HOWDEN are very good players...they alone would probably be worth McD. And we got LUNDKVIST. And we'll get either a 31st overall or something in the high 40s, low 50s...but man, if the rumor that Tampa was going to do the deal anyway until Gorton came back with Miller-for-Namestnikov...boy, oh boy that was a bad one...I don't mind Namstnikov. Think he's a very good player...but he's got a very low ceiling at this point...Miller...sky's the limit for that kid...nevertheless...Names on waivers? Hell no.

tdchi


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:32 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 15h "If we practice the right way like we have been, practice with the intensity we have been, I think as the season goes on we'll be in the shape we need to be in and we'll create a mindset that we need to have..." -#NYR Coach Quinn on his practices & much more after today's #NYRT

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 5:31 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · Sep 22 "We've got to protect each other, we've got to stand up for each other, we've got to support each other and we've got to do that from now until the day the season ends." - #NYR Coach Quinn after tonight's game

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 4:30 am EST

“We’re talking about a guy with elite skill and vision. The goal he scored [Saturday] night was a big-league goal,” Quinn said. “There aren’t a lot of guys in the league that can score that goal. We’ve had conversations about what he needs to do to take the next step. He works hard in practice, he’s a smart player, he’s got a high hockey IQ. We’re going to rely on him. We don’t have a lot of guys with his amount of experience. He needs to continue to thrive to be the best player he can be. “He’s already a good player, but I think there’s another level for him to get to.” It seems like Spooner agrees — even if the Bruins didn’t. “It was definitely nice that I got the contract that I did, and I’m thankful for that,” Spooner said. “Now it’s time to put the work in and kind of do what they expect me to do “

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 4:24 am EST

Vic you speculate or arm chair gm all you want. But I think this team went and is going through enough upheaval. Now it’s time to develop what you have and promote, while the vets you have fill the roster. I’m sure eelboy will be temped to continue ala trader Phil, and the other nhl teams will be happy to oblige him. It’s time for a little stability and chemistry to make a TEAM. Which will help the mighty Quinney to do his job, which is to teach and lead . After 20 games, make an evaluation. Then after 40 games again. Rebuild Hartford while the nyr hold the fort until reinforcements are ready.

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 24 2018 1:33 am EST

What gives grumpylegs??? We aren't allowed to speculate on what GORTHER's plans are? This has nothing to do with DQ or what his favorite flavor of Blizzard is.....

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:42 pm EST

Preseason is not over yet , the final roster is not set , and the trade bs continues ? Gmafb... let the mighty Quinney do his job ....or bring back trader Phil. !

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:10 pm EST

VIC - I guess we shall see... but I think alot will depend on what Quinn can get out of both Hayes and ZBAD..and if the latter is willing to adapt his game like Hayes did for the team...I think they would be morons to be locked in on a set-in-stone plan given a new coach, a new strategy..and new players coming up who might or might not be ready this year or next year..Just let Chtyl and LA play...dont try to shoe horn them into roles...their play and improvement (or not) will decide their roles..hopefully the same with ZBAD and HAYES....But I remain convinced that the Rangers with ZBAD as a #1 center will never be signifivant and he is nothing but a placehollder..but a placeholder that will have much higher trade returnn than Hayes will at this years deadlline

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:00 pm EST

E and HOSPO: You guys may be right but as soon as the Rangers signed HAYES to a 1 year deal I figured his tenure as a Rangers was done. This may be not be accurate but to me this is what it looks like they are thinking: First, management sees CHEETOS and ANDERSSON as this team's future down the middle. What they will eventually become still isn't clear yet but at this point I think it is safe to say that they believe that within a few years CHEETOS could be their #1 Center and ANDERSSON could be their #2 Center. As it is right now neither is capable of being the team's #1 Center. They view ZBAD as a viable (if not ideal) #1 Center. HAYES is not suited to that role. He is ideal as depth center (#2 or #3). I believe they hope that CHEETOS will grow into being their #2 Center this year and ANDERSSON their #3. They will probably be in those positions next year as well with the possibility of both of them taking the next step up the year after (2020-2021). In that respect ZBAD is still needed for this year and next year as the team's #1 Center. But HAYES isn't. In fact, extending HAYES to a relatively high dollar contract makes little sense as he will then be "blocking" CHEETOS. You don't pay a guy $5 to $6 Million to be your 3rd line Center, especially when you have a much younger and less expensive option who is your long term answer. So the 1 year contract for HAYES was merely the Rangers planning how they were going to move forward. They are hoping that HAYES comes out and has a great start to the season. If he does his trade value will go up significantly. So through 30 or 40 games if he is close to a point a game the should be able to get a really nice return for him. If HAYES comes out and plays awful hockey they can still move him but for a lesser return. They wouldn't have made a commitment to him (like they did for SMITH) so there is no risk of getting burned. So for me it is obvious that HAYES will be moved by the deadline regardless of how he plays. The only questions are when he will be moved and what they will get in return.

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 10:18 pm EST

HOSPO: I still have a sneaking suspicion that they will not be keeping Nemo and Spooner once there is a good look at the gems. And I think that by DQ's comments, comments by AV last season and my own and everyone else eyes for that matter that Spooner is a better fit for whatever reason. I could perfectly well see Nemo traded for a gritty guy and a pick. At least I hope. The less I see from Nemo the better. I really don't like that kid whatsoever.

E


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:28 pm EST

As for the Roster, it does indeed sound like Quinn and Co really like Spooner...Vesey and Namesnikov better start showing something or they might be gone via trade (Stinky) or Hartford (Vesey).....It would be so nice if we had one more wing with Some physicality to pair with Chytl and another skill guy..As it is...Kreider-ZBAD-BUCH/MZA; Spooner-Chytl-BUCH/MZA; Fast-Hayes-Vesey/Namestnikov???..Belesky-LA-Vesey/Namestnikov/????----Honestly, it is a physically weak group of forwards and I dont like that with two young centers a possibility...

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:27 pm EST

tlats... The question you have to ask yourself is are there any of those guys I like well enough to keep on my roster for an entire season.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:34 pm EST

I have to agree with HOSPO that Zibenajad is the guy to trade, not Hayes. If Chytil turns out to be a player, he is the perfect replacement for Zibenajad. Hayes brings skills that neither of them bring. In fact, the Rangers should be talking the the center-less Montreal Canadiens about that exact player. On another note........looks like all the hype about the Junior Matteau was just that....hype. Vegas dumped a buch of guys who should have a future in the Swiss, English or French hockey leagues today. Matteau maybe in the Irish Hockey Jeanie.

Bob


Sun Sep 23 2018 7:58 pm EST

VIC - Rangers would be foolish to trade HAYES now..he's the best all around center on the team..Guy is gonna have a big year.....Maybe near the deadline.....I know they arent gunning for the Cup but they also want to start setting a winning and resonsible environment...They should sign Hayes and trtade ZBAD--will get a much higher return given the years left on ZBAD's comtract.....They need to play CHytl where he is mist comfortable--at center ice--and not along the baords and at win wing........The problem with Namestnikov is that he will be a drainn either at center or win........ZBAD, CHYTL,HAYES, LA down the middle is th wayto go IMWO...

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 7:03 pm EST

VGK hers a list of players waived today-Griffin Reinhart, D - Waived VGK T.J. Tynan, C - Waived VGK Stefan Matteau, RW - Waived VGK Maxime Lagace, G - Waived VAN PIT Jimmy Hayes, RW - Waived PIT Garrett Wilson, LW - Waived PIT Stefan Elliott, D - Waived PIT John Muse, G - Waived PIT Chris Summers, D - Waived PIT Tobias Lindberg, RW - Waived

tlats


Sun Sep 23 2018 6:47 pm EST

It looks like DQ said they need all 44 players to get through the 3 games in 4 days. So rosterbating continues.

ColoradoMark


Sun Sep 23 2018 6:00 pm EST

So is there a reporter, blogger, entity, whatever that is covering camp this year? It seems like the coverage is minimal at best, right now. I mean in years past, we’d get updates with line combos from practice. Or am I just missing everyone who reports on twitter, etc. thought there would be cute today

ColoradoMark


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:47 pm EST

Vic: I wouldn’t suggest that Hayes departure is a foregone conclusion. If he takes yet another incremental step this season you have a guy bordering on something great. Or do we dump him so a 20 year old can take 4-6 seasons to mature into what Hayes is today? I respect Hayes. He has shown so much more each season he’s been here. Whether it was his skating or propensity to hang on to pucks too long. I actually think the odds of MZA being jettisoned are greater. A lot has to sort itself out before deciding what to do about Hayes. One of the most intriguing storylines headed into the season

E


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:40 pm EST

Spooner has always shown that he has an extraordinary skill set but he is maddening to deal with. The inability to find consistency has been his MO since came into the league. He is one of those guys who should be a lot better then he is. He is leaving too much on the table. Never know though. Is this the season?

E


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:08 pm EST

EVETS: It certainly is possible. But right now the Rangers are weak on the wings. So, I can definitely see him starting out on the wing this year and then moving to Center when HAYES is traded, which IMHO is a foregone conclusion. I don't see a scenario where the Rangers resign HAYES. If he plays like GRETZKY he is gone. If he plays like a stiff he is gone. And anywhere and everywhere in between. The only question is when. So start CHEETOS on the wing. If they move STINKY they move CHEETOS to Center. If not when HAYES is traded move CHEETOS to Center.

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:02 pm EST

Namestnikov will score about 45 points. 20g-25a

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 4:58 pm EST

iCloud scored the first goal....https://www.nhl.com/rangers/video/mcleod-scores-on-deflection/t-277437422/c-61235903

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 4:18 pm EST

evets1980.....true enough on both.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 23 2018 4:09 pm EST

Newfie... I thought Belesky looked pretty good and I think Quinn will want to keep him. As for McCleod... I just don't see Gorton sending him down. I think he's considered a good locker room presence and Gorton inexplicably likes him. I supposed I'd rather have McCleod riding the pine that one of the kids who should be getting ice in Hartford.

evets1980


Sun Sep 23 2018 4:06 pm EST

evets1980....…….interesting that you have both Belesky and Mcleod there …..your choice or just what you think may happen ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 23 2018 4:00 pm EST

How about putting Namestnikov on waivers? Send a message to these guys young and old. Howden, Hajek and picks is a good enough return from TBL.

Pal17


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:53 pm EST

I'd prefer to have Georgiev as a backup to Henrik, but you have to think that it would be better to send him down to play every day and keep Tokarski.

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:35 pm EST

Vic... While Quinn experimented with Chytil on the wing, I have to think they are going to start him at center and probably see him as the #1 center of the future. Here's what I'm thinking for the lineup: Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich, Namestnikov-Chytil-Zuccarello, Vesey-Hayes-Spooner, Belesky-Andersson-Fast, McCleod. Skjei-Shattenkirk, Staal-Pionk, Smith-McQuaid, DeAngelo, Claesson. Lundqvist-??????

evets1980


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:22 pm EST

Can anyone on here explain to me what is up with this guy Namestnikov ? wasn't he thought of as a " talent" on TB before we got him. I thought it was AV to blame but that's not the case apparently. He really is invisible...………..also, last year and in the past I have been very vocal on my dislike for HAYES but I think my sites have switched to Mr. Vesey.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:19 pm EST

The mighty Quinney thinks pretty highly of spooner , says he has elite skills.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:09 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 5h5 hours ago Played yesterday Practice today Play tomorrow #NYRTC presented by @SAPSports.......... New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 4h4 hours ago Battle in practice ?? battle in games

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:07 pm EST

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. – This isn’t to say Vinni Lettieri was the best for the Rangers in their 5-2 loss to the Islanders at home of the Isles’ AHL affiliate Saturday. He wasn’t. It isn’t to say that Lettieri will even be on the Rangers roster in more than a few days, let alone on Oct. 4, when the season opens. He may not be. No, this is only to say this: Lettieri has done nothing at all, in camp or in preseason games, to hurt his chances. What hurts his chances are the number of wingers he’d have to beat for a spot in the lineup. Those, Lettieri said, are the “extra- curricular things you can’t worry about.” The solid 23-year-old, shoot-first righty (the Rangers don’t have enough righties or shoot-firsters) is a known quantity, having played four years at the U. of Minnesota while new Rangers coach David Quinn was coaching at Boston U. “Vinni’s a hard-nosed player,” Quinn said. “He can really shoot it. He’s done a...

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:00 pm EST

Robert J. Cyruli ‏ @rcyruli 18h18 hours ago Replying to @NYP_Brooksie Grow up everyone. These are messages that NYR blood comes with a price and it ain't cheap. Hasn't been that way since AV took over. Let players start to skate with their heads up again when they play NYR and know that screening Hank comes with a price.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 2:59 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie DQ Message received. McLeod responds immediately on Clutterbuck run at Holland. Crawley joins in the fray by taking on Cizikas. Period 2 in Bridgeport.

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 2:56 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 34m34 minutes ago "If we practice the right way like we have been, practice with the intensity we have been, I think as the season goes on we'll be in the shape we need to be in and we'll create a mindset that we need to have..." -#NYR Coach Quinn on his practices & much more after today's #NYRTC

stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:32 am EST

Libor has been outside of the gems the most hopeful emergence this camp. Even if he is sent down I don’t think he is gonna be there for long. Great two way skill set. Howden for some reason reminds me (and you know how I hate comparisons) of J.T. miller. Not as much because of style of play but because of how they came up. When I first finally got some eye time on JT I was like, ”where is the physicality???” But it began to emerge as he got comfortable. I do think he is Hartford bound but he definitely has NHL upside.

E


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:27 am EST

Hospo: Yes the early returns on that Bolt deal are definitely positive and we're not even counting yet the 2 assets acquired with the draft picks (Lundqvist and whoever they draft next June).

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:26 am EST

Vic: Agreed on Crawley needing seasoning but looks like there could be something there. On Howden my understanding is that he's not one to run people through the boards but will use his size to his advantage and isn't afraid to go to high traffic areas. Hajek is, IMO, the real deal and for sure a top 4 NHL d-man in the making. The questions for me are: When will he become a regular and will he end up down the line being a top pairing guy.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:24 am EST

Joey Keane with a goal last night making him 1 and 1 and 2 and a +4 after 2 games. Good start.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:24 am EST

RF4L: I thought CRAWLEY had a good camp last year and I hadn't heard anything about this year so far. Last night was his first game and he made an impression on my. At 21 he is still developing and needs more time in Hartford but I like what I am seeing in him. HOSPO: Yes, I agree on HAJEK. I think he is going to be a really good one as well. He too needs some time in the AHL. No need to rush him. They have too many guys as it is. On HOWDEN, I should have mentioned him as well. So far I have been impressed with him. He is a big guy but skates well and seems to have very good hands and vision from a passing perspective. He does play hard in all three zones as well. But I haven't seen an finish in his game and the other thing I haven't seen that I was expecting was physicality. From they way he was talked about and described I expected him to be a much more physical player. So the skill level is higher then I expected from him but the physical play is much less then I expected.

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:16 am EST

Now, onto the roster. I too think there will be at least one deal over the next week or so because the Rangers are in a position where they are going to lose assets if they don't do something. That would be bad management. But assuming that no deals are made here is what I think makes the most sense for a lineup. KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, SPOONER-HAYES-MZA, VESEY-STINKY-CHEETOS, BELESKEY-ANDERSSON-FAST. Yes, I would put CHEETOS on the wing for now. I'd let STINKY worry about the defensive responsibilities of the C position for now and take some pressure off of CHEETOS. And if VESEY isn't going to provide enough protection for CHEETOS then swap him and BELESKEY. I just want a physical presence out there with CHEETOS. Use the extra forward spot to carry someone you might lose through waivers that you don't want lose. On D it is SKJEI, STAAL, CLAESSON and SMITH on the left side with SHATTENKIRK, McQUAID, PIONK and DeANGELO on the right side assuming there are no trades and they carry 8 D to start the season. Probably going to lose O'GARA to waivers unless they move one of the other guys in a deal.

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:11 am EST

VIC - I Love the way HAJAK jumps into the play and he has a bright future but didnt think he was all that good defensively last night..Gonna be a good one, but not yet..At least 8 guys better than him right now...I think GORDO did well in getting him and HOWDEN from TB (Namestnikov is another story)..I really like HOWDEN's dedication to a two way game and smarts and size...CRAWLEY did show some spunk maybe he develops into something...good to have..I just dont see anything in Littieri other than hustle and a wanting to shoot..

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:05 am EST

Vic: Carp praised Crawley for his meanness last night, too. Nice to see/read because so needed.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 11:02 am EST

Ok, so my thoughts on last night. I thought CHEETOS had the look of a dominant talent at times. He will be on this roster but I will come back to that in another post. Also looking really good to me last night was HAJEK. He will go down to Hartford because of the numbers game but he could easily be a mid-season call-up depending on how things go. I was also impressed with the physical play and meanness that CRAWLEY showed last night. Right from his first shift he laid out an Islander and then delivered another cross check on the guy. I noticed him hitting and delivering some painful abuse in front of the net all night. And he did jump right into the fray when HOLLAND got hit. I didn't see him make any gaffs on D either. He is another that will be sent down no matter what due to the numbers and waiver issues but I like how he is developing so far. A stay at home guy who plays with an edge. The Rangers have a lot of offensive D in the system. They need more guys like CRAWLEY to balance out their D. I thought LETTIERI had a good game as well. Much better then the other night. He was moving his feet in all 3 zones again and making a lot of the little plays that go unnoticed. The backcheck that disrupts a rush for the other team. The forecheck that prevents the breakout or causes a turnover. If I'm not mistaken I think LETTIERI can still be sent down without being exposed to waivers. If so he will be due to the numbers game as well. But he is an NHL player to me and should be back up at some point mid season when the roster shakes out.

Vic


Sun Sep 23 2018 10:54 am EST

So Chytil was shifted to the wing in the 3rd yesterday?

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 10:15 am EST

JFC: Agreed 100%. We've been posting on this subject for like 3 years now. It's hard to argue with AV's stats - he is indeed, a good coach but like many successful coaches, very stubborn and unwilling to alter his ways. He had to go, even if it was a year too late, better late than never.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:49 am EST

Amen

NYStranger


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:37 am EST

How refreshing to have a coach that DEMANDS payback when opposing teams take liberties with his players. I’m not convinced the Rangers will be a horrible team this year....but if they do struggle and yet show that they won’t back down, I will gladly watch and root for them. I’ve rooted for them the past few years but my viewing was way down....that AV “whistle to whistle” bullshit made me SICK.

JFC31


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:10 am EST

RF4L - I'll think about KRAPSHOT when he gets here..For now, CHYTL is whagt matters and, I agree, he has the makings of a possible #1, but it's a long road

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:09 am EST

Ranger47 - LITTIERI trys but just seems to be spinning wheels..not a huge fan.....Ranger47/RF4L - That was my take on Namestnikov and Vesey last night and all preseason so far...Been calling Namestnikov th Invisible Man since he got here--he generates nothing...We need to play CHYTL and LA at center pushing Namestninov to wing...problem is thes he's a shitty wing......And VESEY just really seems to be strugglin ..At times last year you think he's ready to breakthrough the way he would battle and go to the net...but....jsut dont know if he knows how to put his effort and skill together...

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:07 am EST

Hospo: IMO, Chytil has the makings of your classic number 1 offensive centre. Big, fast and skilled and a strong desire to assert himself. Let's hope he can avoid serious injury and the Rangers find players he can work with. Yes it's premature but I am certain Gorton et all are envisioning him alongside Kratsov in the next few years. They could be a dynamic pairing.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:03 am EST

NYStranger: Hopefully it's a case of not having a mindset that was instilled over the past 5 years altered in a half of a pre-season. That and the fact that generally, this team isn't made up of players who hit first and ask questions later. I'm sure that's a significant part of why McQuaid was acquired.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:00 am EST

TRADE _ trying to think of a Ranger center that CHTYL - big, fast,highly skilled, and plays mostly N-S--reminds me of..not really coming up with any..A more skilled NEMCHINOV...Petr NEDVED at times

Hospo


Sun Sep 23 2018 9:00 am EST

OK the new coach preaches more toughness and fast hard nosed hockey? Well so far I am not seeing it. I am not seeing the 'get in their faces' scrum stuff around the net, I am not seeing the hard work along the boards and one on one battles. Amd am seeing guys still pulling up and not laying even a small body check on the D man who is just making the head pass, I am seeing soft play in the one on one battles, I am seeing guys staying to the perimeter. OK so we saw two fights last night sticking up for a teammate. It is better than not seeing it, but the overall play is still too soft.. it is going to be a long haul.

NYStranger


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:55 am EST

BTW, I read somewhere that Vesey lost 10 pounds over the summer - maybe he's having issues adjusting to that? To me, his strength offensively is going to the net using his size to his advantage. Maybe he's struggling to assert himself physically? I know in the Philly game I hardly noticed him.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:53 am EST

Agreed JT would likely be a nice fit but I remain convinced there were personality issues with him that likely just didn't exist between him and AV. I suspect he created a untenable situation where he simply had to be moved out. Oh well, spilled milk and all that. BTW, if Miller hadn't been moved, he'd be the second most expensive forward on the team (assuming he'd have landed with the Rangers a contract similar to what he got from the Bolts). At $5,250,000 he'd better produce or it'll quickly become a lousy contract.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:50 am EST

Yes - I see one or more trades coming soon...

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:49 am EST

BTW, would love to have been able to keep JT Miller who would be a key cog in this rebuild....

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:48 am EST

Ranger47: IMO, if there's a need to push a centre to the wing to accommodate the 2 rookies, it's Namestnikov. Either that or trade him.

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:47 am EST

The most invisible guy to me was Namestnikov - though Vesey was not too far behind. Unless they play to have the former be their 4th line center I do not see a spot for him on this team as constructed. I think you need to give Vesey until the trading deadline to see if he progresses this year or not. You can always push him down to the 4th line if he underachieves...

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:37 am EST

Didn't see any of the game last night but my understanding is Jimmy Vesey had a second rather unimpressive outing. What's up with him anyways? Perhaps it's time to cut bait on this guy before he has zero value?

rF4l


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:34 am EST

Speaking of top 9 F players, assuming Andersson and Chytil make the team as top 9 - which I think will be the case - which other 7 make it? Do 2 of Zb, Buch, Kreider, Zucc, Vesey, Hayes, Fast, Spooner and Names get pushed down to the 4th line? And then there's other bubble Fs like Lettieri, McLeod, Howden, Lindquist, etc to have to make decisions on. Similar problem on D, but not as unclear or as bad since Skjei, Shatty, Stahl and McQuad are probably locks and Smith, Pionk and (due to the need to clear wavers) DeAngelo are probably going make the team with room for probably only one other D kept. Assume Hajek gets sent down but what about Claussen, Ogara and the others? Tough decisions ahead for Ranger mgmt!

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 8:19 am EST

IMHO, One guy who played well last night was Vinni Lettieri. Although I doubt he makes it into a top 9 F spot, he looks like a solid 4th line player with upside who could fill in if needed on a higher line if needed due to injury. Also plays well on the the PP...

Ranger47


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:13 am EST

Every year we’ve come in with the goal of winning the Stanley Cup, but it’s adjusted a little bit. Now, it’s about making the playoffs. “We know that not a lot of people believe in us, but I think that if we do what we’re told and play a hard, fast game, we can surprise people. I think making the playoffs is a realistic goal for us. Of course, in order for us to do that, a lot of guys have to step up. “Players who weren’t part of the leadership group before have to step into that role and the leaders who are still here have to be better. I have to be better, Hanky [Lundqvist] has to be better.”

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 5:11 am EST

“It was a [crummy] season all around,” No. 36 told The Post before his preseason debut here in Saturday’s 5-2 defeat to the Islanders. “We missed the playoffs, we lost guys who were here for a long time who I care a lot about, our coach got fired, and I certainly didn’t play well enough, so I wanted to get that out of my mind and start moving forward. “I worked a lot building my lower body and leg strength. I don’t think I was good enough with the puck or in battles last year, I was getting pushed off the puck too much, so that’s one thing I definitely wanted to improve. I feel good, maybe the best I’ve ever felt coming to training camp.”

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 23 2018 3:06 am EST

Just watching the replay of the post game interview with DQ and the reporters.....Its pretty funny with 2 losses in a row, DQ's smirky answers were no where to found. I hope he doesn't get fuggin annoying during the tank with those vague recycled NHL hot seat coach answers......

tradestar28


Sun Sep 23 2018 12:17 am EST

Hey Hospo.....is their one former Ranger or former NHL'er that Chytil reminds you of the most?

tradestar28


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:39 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/09/22/new-rangers-coach-demanded-more-toughness-and-he-got-it/

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 9:42 pm EST

Back from the game. Was down low and was a bit hard to really see play unless right in my corner but... Biggest impression of the evening... Barry Trotz really does have NO neck! Like how does he turn his head, or tie a tie? But seriously, pretty lousy showing by the Rangers. Not happy at all with Quinn getting these guys to play hard. Just didn't see it. Didn't see one solid body check all night. No player on the bubble showed that they deserved another game. And Holland? This guy should never see the inside of a Rangers locker room again. That bad. Like I said after game one. We are looking at a top ten pick again. Warm wishes!

NYStranger


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:48 pm EST

meant Zucc might be a good match for ZBAD who likes to shoot as a C

Hospo


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:45 pm EST

Was expecting little from the watered down Rangers tonight and that’s what we got… Most impressive player? Chytl—the kid has mad skills…get some chemistry with whoever his wingers are and you will have something….. …….Howden nowhere near ready but kid mentally knows how to play the 2-way game, especially defensively..like him a lot…….. Hajak jumps in the play well..will be good in the NHL in a year or so when he cuts down on the mistakes…Got clobbered by Cluterbck but got right up and wanted some What can you say….a few nice plays by Holland like TDCHI saud…… …. …. Zucc can really pass, might be a good match for Chytl ……..The rest of the team??????..Really Blah…..but a few “stood out”….Except for one play…Namestniko? Totally Invisible and insignificant….been his calling card as a Ranger,.…Vesey? Nothing…His last shift summed him up..A wide open shot and he passes…A turnover..and then falls down..I liked him..but sheesh...

Hospo


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:37 pm EST

I would really like to see Panarin and Chytil play on a line together.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:35 pm EST

C'mon Vesey. The entire rink knew you were looking to pass.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:30 pm EST

Yes, year one of a rebuild, I would think they would be much further along.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:28 pm EST

at this point....I would take a Tkachuk sister

tradestar28


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:20 pm EST

I know GEO had a bit of a rough start tonight, but I really don't know what to think about Tokarsk so far. Not too impressed. Allaire has his work cut out for him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:19 pm EST

Boy, this team sucks. Do the Tkachuk's have any more brothers?

tradestar28


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:14 pm EST

http://yoursports.stream/live.php?v=nhl3

tradestar28


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:41 pm EST

4-1 they made me a liar ...

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:39 pm EST

Great 2nd period out scored 4-0

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:39 pm EST

Can someone explain to me WHY the game is blacked out? Hell, it is not even playing on NHL audio only.

tracerm


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:33 pm EST

https://youtu.be/qzv6EhE7Cbo

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:26 pm EST

Goalie Change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5s11NAM7vI

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:25 pm EST

Hey there Georgie girl

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:03 pm EST

Nyr nhl app say iCloud got the goal and Holland the assist .

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:01 pm EST

So far I like what I hear from the mighty Quinney . He should be the missing ingredient of leadership this team needs. The roster will probably lean towards veterans for at least the first 20 games. I hope that’s their plan. Maybe Hartford will finally have some playoff success this season.

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:54 pm EST

Anyone at the game besides me?

NYStranger


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:29 pm EST

That is a nice looking rink there in Bridgeport.

Bob


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:27 pm EST

Well McLeod graced us with a stupid and pointless fight right at the time that the NYR have them on their heals a bit.

E


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:15 pm EST

Anyone have a stream link?

DCIGolfer


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:07 pm EST

STAAL: I can see his # hanging from the rafters some day... an amazing NYR who could have gotten HOF votes if he didnt suffer some terrible injuries.. he is still a legit shut down defender and similar to the KING, needs to waive the NMC and try and win a CUP...Will the blue line hold them back? The Leafs finished last season with the second-best offense in the league and then they went out and added an elite center in John Tavares, so...uh, yeah. That's scary. But the Leafs' biggest issue clearly wasn't their offense, and they didn't do much of anything to quell any defensive concerns on their blue line. On paper it still seems like they could really use a top-end defenseman, but their offense might just be good enough to counteract that. Can they win every game 6-4?

schneidw


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:04 pm EST

NYRs: I see 6 potential players on the roster that Gorton could/should trade at the deadline... this team is going to suck really bad this year... look to Philadelphia on how a rebuild on the "fly" should go... amazing work by Hextall....

schneidw


Sat Sep 22 2018 6:02 pm EST

LUNDQUVIST: Love teh guy... time to go.. why does he want to be part of a total tear down and rebuild??? Waive the NMC and join STL King Hendrik... worrry about your legacy more than your marketing and brand.... After missing the playoffs by a single point last season, the Blues had one of the best offseasons in all of hockey. They revamped their offensive attack with the additions of Ryan O'Reilly, Tyler Bozak, David Perron and Patrick Maroon, and they already had one of the league's most impressive defenses. The biggest question is whether they can get good enough goaltending to make any of this matter. With insurance policy Carter Hutton departing for Buffalo in free agency, the reigns in net have been handed back to Jake Allen, who was extremely shaky last season with a .906 save percentage over 59 games. The Blues have to get a better effort out of Allen this year if they want to make noise in a highly competitive Central division.

schneidw


Sat Sep 22 2018 5:44 pm EST

Tonught's game is probably more important for the Isles since the game is in Bridgeport CT at the home rink for their AHL team the Bridgeport Sound Tigers. Since it's Ranger country with easy access from Westchester and above and close enough to Hartford to draw Wolfpack fans as well there should be a bunch of Ranger fans in the stands.....

Ranger47


Sat Sep 22 2018 5:33 pm EST

Holland blows...Won't make this team or any other...McLeod could be getting his last look...Beleskey will make the team over him and should....

PJ


Sat Sep 22 2018 4:17 pm EST

Newfie - He's generally a winger. He was somewhat of a prospect a few years back when he was with the Sens...but those days have come and gone.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 12:51 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger 2h2 hours ago More Shestyorkin stops all 26 shots faced for his second consecutive shutout and 18th blank in 84 regular-season games at SKA.

RDW


Sat Sep 22 2018 12:41 pm EST

Who the heck is Bobby Butler ? old....young ...left ...right...Cent...wing ? where from ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:59 am EST

great post from the phone, Not!

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:52 am EST

Vesey and Buch have the bright lights ghts of Broadway shining on them, hopefully they have good years... I have hink the wind is at their sails with DQ as coach, and a year of experience under their belts..... Namestnikov and Spoonman I tend to group together since they joined the squad at the same time and they have to show thier worth.... Having a new coach should benefit them too as it levels the playing field, new coach and new season for all... IF Namestnikov and Spooner Excel, big impact to this club.... Blach Aces???

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:25 am EST

mf - WRONG! Peter Holland IS unspectacular. There's no "kind of" about it. But I'll say this about the guy...you will be in the midst of marveling over how unbelievably unspectacular the guy is...and how the military should really base its next generation stealth technology on his game, given his propensity for invisibility...but then BAM. The dude threads a pass here...scores a goal there...and suddenly you're looking at the score sheet and wondering where the F this guy came from.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:22 am EST

A very thread-bare roster..Alot of guys (vets and Kids) that dont really haave a chance for the Roster..I thinnk both Chytl and LA are a shoe-in, but like to see them continue to play well...Littieri needs to show something....but, especially, would like to see Vesey and Namestnikov get their heads out of their ass and show what they can do..

Hospo


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:21 am EST

re: BIGRAS - simple case of a guy who just doesn't have the ability to play the next level...Bit of a digression here, but the Rangers have made a practice, if not a policy of giving guys about three years in the system before they move on from them...I suspect it's more a favor to the player: they know there isn't a future for them in New York, so the move them to an organization that may give them a shot...That is what they did with GRAVES...Bigras was a player the Pack needed for the longshot push to the playoffs...he stands almost zero chance of making the Rangers and will be on the waiver wire in a few days...I suspect he'll be back in Hartford, but there's a slim chance he gets claimed...long and the short, the Rangers are going to have a friggin' massive logjam of defenders once final cuts are made.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:21 am EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/rfa-roundup-sabres-re-sign-reinhart-so-whos-left

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:19 am EST

Peter Holland: Seems Kind of un-spectacular... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7445

mf


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:08 am EST

FWIW, the Islanders are basically skating their NHL roster: Beauvillier-Barzal-Bailey, Lee-Nelson-Eberle, Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck, Bellows-Gionta-Sislo and D: Hickey-Boychuk, Toews-Mayfield, Wotherspoon-Poluck, with goalies Lehner and Gibson...fourth line and Toews/Wortherspoon are the only guys who aren't likely to be in the Islanders' starting lineup...Rangers, OTOH, have six guys(Zucc, Namestnikov, Vesey, Spooner, Shattenkirk and McQuiad) who are basically locks for the roster...eight if you consider Georgiev and McLeod. And up to 10 if you really think Andersson or Chytil will be kept on the roster...This is gonna be a blood-bath.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 11:02 am EST

I don't know if they have to put those guys in or not, but the only one who has any business near an NHL roster is HOLLAND...and that's really only as an injury call-up...my HOPE is that they're giving McLEOD one last chance to at least not be a liability before dispatching him to Hartford and claiming NOLAN off of waivers to be a 13th forward...SCHNEIDER, you could argue, earned a second look. He had a real strong game...BUTLER, I'd say, is getting a quick look to see if he'll be an acceptable injury call-up. The only guy of the four who has any skill is Holland...but for a guy with all the tool, he sure finds a way to look totally invisible...another theory? Surround the prospects with as much trash as possible and see which of them floats to the surface.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 9:32 am EST

So tonight's lineup includes Holland, Schneider and Butler. Why? I am assuming there are a couple of reasons: 1) The CBA limits the number of pre-season games veterans can play 2) The Rangers are rewarding these guys for dedication for their AHL play. Also dressing are Bigras and Crawley. The latter I get - he's still a viable Ranger prospect. The former was had for Ryan Graves, the kid many of us had reasonable hopes for. I have very little to say about Bigras - don't know him and never saw him play. I found this interesting article about him however, written after the Aves traded him to the Rangers: https://milehighsticking.com/2018/02/27/colorado-avalanche-failed-chris-bigras-experiment/

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 9:08 am EST

Joey Keane, in his 1st OHL game this year tallied an assist and was an impressive +3.

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 9:01 am EST

RF4L - Good words but Is SHattebkirk really the right person to be teaching Deangelo about this stuff? Not after the way he performed the past two years...But...clean slate......If he can be responsible and play passable D, hopefully he will help the Rangers..

Hospo


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:53 am EST

Shattenkirk, on what he thinks he can help teach the young Ranger d-man: "But the only thing I would say I really have to teach them, or to help them out with, is knowing when to take your chances and when to sit back and manage your risks. That’s what I had to figure out early on. You get burned a lot quicker and a lot easier in this league than any other league and you have to make sure to pick your spots – when you want to jump, when you can take that chance to go on the offense, and when you have to hold back a little bit.” Yes indeed - get in DeA's ear on that one - it may be the make or break component of DeA's NHL career.

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:49 am EST

And the Islanders tonight - will the Islanders try to run the Rangers out of the building? They've had 2 SOs so far this pre-season. A pre-season fluke? Or is Trots already making a difference?

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:45 am EST

BTW, LB predicting that the first pairing with be Skjei and MacQuaid.

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:36 am EST

It'll be interesting to see how Shattenkirk performs this year, especially early on. Just how badly did his knee issues impact his play last year? I recall him QBing the PP quite effectively in the fall. Yet another interesting side story to what I think is shaping up to be a very interesting season.

rF4l


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:25 am EST

Couple of interesting waiver wire players: Jordan NOLAN, who I wanted the Rangers to sign, should be claimed. He is a MUCH better option than McLEOD. I would immediately claim him and waive the latter...another guy I've been talking about for years is Cole BARDREAU. He's another bottom-line player...but he's pretty much a Ryan CALLAHAN facsimile...all-hustle. Very physical, even though he's not a big guy...I would take both for the Rangers' bottom line.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:10 am EST

Another minor former Ranger news of negligible interest: The Blues waived Tyler WOTHERSPOON, the guy the Flames drafted using the Rangers' second round pick traded in the Tim ERIXON deal.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:07 am EST

Carolina cut Aleksi SAARALA, the promising Finnish prospect the Rangers moved for STAAL. Kind of surprised. With RASK out for half the season and their forward lines not looking too strong, I figured he'd be almost a shoe-in.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 8:01 am EST

evets1980 - agree there. If PANARIN becomes a UFA, they'd be stupid not to try to sign him...I just wouldn't trade for him...and TBH, I don't think he makes it to free agency unless the Jackets trade him to a team he doesn't want to be on. I think the interesting team to watch here is the TB Lightning...Over the summer, Panarin was hobnobing with KUCHEROV and VASILEVSKIY. Despite the McDONAGH trade, they're still pretty flush with prospects. I could see them pulling a sign-and-trade move for him...but in the off chance he gets moved...or if the Jackets pull a Snow-Lamarillo and he goes to free agency? Rangers should be all-in.

tdchi


Sat Sep 22 2018 7:53 am EST

I would not trade for Panarin. I would run at him next Summer if he gets to free agency. However, make no mistake about his motive here.......the big bucks. So be prepared for 8 figures per year if you want him. This is OK so long as he does not morph into Alexi Yashin.

Bob


Fri Sep 21 2018 7:48 pm EST

E...then no thanks to Panaran. Let him be another team's greedy problem.

RF4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 7:32 pm EST

I agree with tdchi that the Rangers should absolutely NOT trade for Panarin this year. However, if he makes it to free agency next summer, they need to throw a max deal at him. With a full year of development for Chytil and Andersson, more experience for Buchnevich, some minor league seasoning for Howden, Hajek, and Lindgren, and the welcoming over of Kravtsov, Rykov, and Shestyorkin the next window for the Rangers will start opening up and Panarin is the type of gamebreaker the Rangers will need at forward.

evets1980


Fri Sep 21 2018 7:02 pm EST

Re: PANARIN - Sorry, but he’s the wrong guy at the wrong time for the Rangers. Great player. A game-changer even. And whatever is dealt for him will almost assuredly not be as good as he is. But all that said, the Rangers don’t need and would arguably be set back by trading for a pending UFA, who will cost three, maybe four top assets and $9 million plus in cap space come next year. Playing this out a bit...Panarin already said he’s interested in playing in NYC...so we probably could sign him on relative “cheap” —$9 million over 8 years. So there’s that cap hit, which will become a real big problem if the Rangers need to round out their roster with another big payday...but let’s get into what he’ll cost...the Jackets are going to want an established NHL top-6 player...likely a winger...who is at the very least Panarin’s age...so we’re looking at KREIDER or BUCHNEVICH to start...which is kind of a nonstarter in my book...then figure another two or three nice pieces...maybe SKJEI, ANDERSSON and a first rounder...or maybe HAYES, DeANGELO and the first. Would he be worth that? Maybe...but I think the thought that he’d be a NASH reprise isn’t too far off. You reduce your depth that sizeably...limit your cap space...well...it’s a lot of eggs in one basket....something few folks acknowledge or even realize is how badly the NASH contract tied the hands of the Rangers. The cap space they would’ve had without him, they could have easily re-upped a guy like HAGELIN...even TALBOT...probably wouldn’t have needed to buy out RICHARDS...there’s just so many bad or ill-times moves the Rangers needed to make to get that guy...and his return? Well, a couple of bad hits and he went from impact player to Mr. Perimeter. Could that happen to the Breadman? Most certainly. Ain’t no one got time for that shit.

tdchi


Fri Sep 21 2018 6:31 pm EST

SCHNEIDW: I remember that fiasco well....

Vic


Fri Sep 21 2018 5:32 pm EST

Artemi Panarin: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7873/stats

mf


Fri Sep 21 2018 4:40 pm EST

RF: Panarin is gonna ask for a max deal. And as a free agent he is likely to get it if he wants it. If he doesn't, it would be more or less by choice. Maybe, he takes a haircut to be in NY? Who knows? But this kid is a force on the ice. He makes a lot happen.

E


Fri Sep 21 2018 4:03 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 54m54 minutes ago From #NYR camp today: Boo Nieves is still in concussion protocol. Ryan Spooner (hip) is fine and practiced.

stevielegs


Fri Sep 21 2018 4:02 pm EST

NC RANGER: When I had DirectTV.. I recall all programs blacked out on the MSG channels... total bummer!!

schneidw


Fri Sep 21 2018 3:57 pm EST

STRANGE I DONT RECALL THIS TRADE: 1988 – Nordiques and Rangers The circumstances: This one’s kind of fascinating. Back in the 1987 offseason, Rangers’ GM Phil Esposito was looking to make a big move. And in classic Esposito style, he was willing to think outside the box. And so, at the 1987 draft, Esposito asked the Nordiques if they’d be open to moving head coach Michel Bergeron. Bergeron was considered to be one of the better coaches in the league, but was coming off his first losing season. The Nordiques said they were willing to consider it – if the price was right. The trade: In what appears to be the only case of an NHL coach being traded, the Rangers sent their 1988 first rounder to Quebec for the rights to Bergeron. The pick: Bergeron couldn’t turn the Rangers around; they missed the playoffs, and ended up with the fifth overall pick in the draft. But with highly rated players like Teemu Selanne, Jeremy Roenick and Rod Brind’Amour still on the board, the Nordiques went with winger Daniel Dore instead. The aftermath: Dore was a bust who played just 17 NHL games. Bergeron wasn’t much better, lasting less than two full seasons in New York before Esposito fired him in 1989. He’d end up back in Quebec for a single season, finished dead last, and never coached in the NHL again. Sometimes, these deals don’t work for anybody.

schneidw


Fri Sep 21 2018 3:17 pm EST

Ranger47.....…….oops,sorry !.....OK, how is this then....does anyone know the line-up for Sat 's game ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Sep 21 2018 3:04 pm EST

Newfie:No game tonight - it's tomorrow night.

Ranger47


Fri Sep 21 2018 3:00 pm EST

Does any one know the proposed lie-up for tonight ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Sep 21 2018 2:28 pm EST

RDW - You know smebody has a prospect crush when they report something like..Alex Nunn @aj_ranger More Kravtsov has worked his tail off today. All over the forecheck. !!!

Hospo


Fri Sep 21 2018 2:24 pm EST

E: Valid point but who says Panarin will be seeking the maximum? And if he is, there's noting to say any team will offer him that, much less the Rangers. Secondly, if he has, phuck him and his greedy horse. First he spurns the BJs, who traded for him and from what I've read, have treated him fine, then he goes to UFA demanding McDavid money? Stay the heck away I say. Premature of course...

rF4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 2:02 pm EST

The question with a potential of Panarin is one that always gets to me. Who should at position get what $$$$ for the skills that they provide? I still am of the belief that in the modern NHL the dollars that you shell out against the cap have to be for in no particular order: a center, an offensively capable defender, and lesser but necessary a goalie. For some reasons, unless you have a winger who is a generational talent like OV for example, I just don't see how you can look at a max contract for a winger on a team in the middle of a rebuild. If Panarin is your last piece to a contender? Sure that makes sense. But, I don't want to see another NYR team of hardhats and little game-breaking experience get oh so close and fizzle again. And I truly believe that one of the blessings and curses of this past era was that they were at their best years so deep in skill even though they weren't game breaking. They literally were Rick Nash. The team personified his traits. A guy who did everything well. But you weren't going to count on him as an individual to carry the whole group on his back. So, as the team sits in 2018-19 they still need that number one center. Maybe Z finally puts it all together. They still need that number one defenseman. And they likely still need that long term answer in nets since Lundqvist's sunset as the dominant goaltender in the NHL are coming to the end. Does Panarin and his max contract that he will surely command get the New York Rangers back with the many holes that they have? I don't know. Ask me after April because if nothing else happens this season I just think the paying fans, the management etc... need to feel a sense of optimism. That this rebuild is pointing the right way. That next season this time the base is buzzing with optimism. Right now, I really think the base is approaching this season with a real sense of, "okay, so this is what it takes. Drink the syrup, puke it all up and you'll feel better soon enough." I don't want Panarin come June if the team is contending for another 5-8 1st round slot. With a team of guys that while showing upside hasn't surfaced anyone that makes you believe that we should be excited. Thats just window dressing. Marquee stuff. Build up the team. Make it a winner and when it shows that it is, Ill be first in line demanding a guy like Panarin. But do it right. They aren't a Panarin away from contending.

E


Fri Sep 21 2018 1:56 pm EST

NCRANGER...In the same boat and they don't blackout the replay of the games on MSG...Also make sure to check if the game is on NHL Network...They don't blackout the game....

PJ


Fri Sep 21 2018 1:48 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger Following Following @aj_ranger More Kravtsov has worked his tail off today. All over the forecheck. 2:39 PM - 21 Sep 2018

RDW


Fri Sep 21 2018 1:44 pm EST

So quick question to anyone who runs the MSG channels through Direc TV. I picked up the regional sports package for the pre-season games, but they're all blacked out and I'm nowhere near NY. I guess I forgot they did this. Does anyone know if they blackout the replay games? If not, I may keep it and just watch the replay on a delay. Thanks in advance.

NCRanger


Fri Sep 21 2018 1:42 pm EST

As I'm sitting here daydreaming about possible future moves, wouldn't it be something if we sign the bread man (Panarin) next year and bring Kratsov over. We all know Panarin would love to suit up on Broadway. Maybe he'll take a slight discount. That's some serious firepower to add to our group of wingers. I'm also suspecting we're going to be in a very good position to draft another potential 1/2 C in next years draft that is extremely deep in talent at Center from what I can so far. That creates some flexibility with Z and/or K, depending on their performances this year. That can be parlayed into top 2 defenseman or another 1st round pick. This team could look pretty damn good a lot faster than I think some might suspect if the cards are played right and there are no major injuries to our top prospects/players.

NCRanger


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:52 pm EST

Damn that kid can shoot the puck!

rF4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:51 pm EST

Panarin has apparently officially informed the BJs he's heading for UFA next summer. Guess the trade rumours will start shortly. Tough spot for Columbus...

rF4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:50 pm EST

KRAVTSOV scores his second. Third point in three games. And this one is a beaut: https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1043194988660699136/video/1

tdchi


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:44 pm EST

maybe if he changed his name to dugay ? ....or because of his jackets and no tie ?.....he might still have some jordache jeans... jordache.com is under construction , but the logo looks like his old hairdo.....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:14 pm EST

Alex Nunn has been posting Kravtsov clips on twitter and it looks like he doesn't have much support. Shame we couldn't have brought him over to play for the Pack this year

RDW


Fri Sep 21 2018 12:04 pm EST

Such a wonderful PC world we live in....that is why Doogy got canned......On top of it, you have that thing called Twitter.....where every fuckin person in the world has their own soapbox to stand upon and make stupid assumptions and comments

tradestar28


Fri Sep 21 2018 10:27 am EST

Re: Duguay: who gives a toss? Maloney is the only guy who is consistently good...and honest. But seriously. Announcers. Who cares?!? I need some NHL news. League is waaaaaaaay too quiet...big waivers dump coming in a couple days I suppose.

tdchi


Fri Sep 21 2018 10:26 am EST

I got to watch the 3rd period of the Flyer game last night. It was a MUCH better period from the Rangers in every way. HAJEK really had a strong 3rd period. It was nice to some physical play as well. VESEY and LETTIERI were getting chances that they didn't cash in on but at least they were getting chances. I though it was a good period for the Rangers minus the one or two obvious brain farts. They probably should have won the game if they hadn't missed so many golden chances and had the Flyers goaltender not been as good as he was.

Vic


Fri Sep 21 2018 10:25 am EST

I take it as a personal affront that there is no Ranger game tonight.

tdchi


Fri Sep 21 2018 10:22 am EST

DUGUAY is out? I guarantee you that this had something to do with it: (https://puckitupblog.com/2018/01/26/ron-duguay-criticizes-refs-by-being-sexist/). I was watching it at the time and I thought "oh boy, he really stepped in it now". They didn't fire him at the time but I bet it was decided he woudn't be back for this year.

Vic


Fri Sep 21 2018 9:56 am EST

BTW, during the Flyer game Dickaletti was doing his usual rambling on about nothing DURING THE PLAY! Because I was watching on my laptop it was hard to make out names and several times, while that idiot babbled on, I didn't know what Ranger had the puck. What a complete idiot that man is...we don't care about some Flyer's mother's uncle's clothing store!

rf4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 9:55 am EST

Guess I'm in the minority here. Thought Duguay and Valiquette were a good combo. Both brought something different to the table.

RDW


Fri Sep 21 2018 9:54 am EST

Butt-kissing galore for sure. I'm surprised Dave Maloney is still around.

rf4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 9:33 am EST

Dougay Gone? About the only guy I could listen do between periods..The guy they needed to can is that condescending smug douche Steve Valliquette....Dickaletti and Rosen are also unlistenable and the ass kissing will be in full overdrive this year..

Hospo


Fri Sep 21 2018 9:16 am EST

Duguay would at least call the team out when they didn't push back....Also would call them out for poor play...Like him better than Steve V.......

PJ


Fri Sep 21 2018 7:58 am EST

Rangers rebuilding “I’m trying to put my best foot forward, learn the new system from the coaches and do what I can to lead us in the right direction.” Skjei has worked with assistant coach Greg Brown on Team USA at the 2014 World Juniors, so the two have a past relationship off which to build. Quinn, Brown, David Oliver and Lindy Ruff have been overseeing a hands-on, teaching-intense camp. “There’s a lot of feedback between the coaches and the players,” Skjei said. “Speed is going to be key for us; pressuring guys, jumping on loose pucks, but at the same time reading plays and seeing how they develop so we work together as a five-man unit. We have to protect the middle. That’s critical. “There’s a lot of one-on-one teaching regarding positioning and stick positioning. For me, it’s about using my skating and creativity to be involved with the offense and being smart and making the right play in the defensive zone. “There’s a good vibe here. I’m looking forward to being one of the guys counted on to be a leader and turn things around in the right direction.”

stevielegs


Fri Sep 21 2018 7:12 am EST

Bob... Wish they'd whack Dickiletti...

RF4l


Fri Sep 21 2018 2:12 am EST

So Duguay got whacked. I never got why they hired him. He was mostly a hippie looking goofball who did not add much to the broadcasts. Too bad they cannot get Leetch to work there.

Bob


Thu Sep 20 2018 8:54 pm EST

Vic.... I clearly remember Pavelec retiring last season :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 20 2018 6:19 pm EST

Just saw that PEVELEC retired today.

Vic


Thu Sep 20 2018 6:05 pm EST

Your argument and history lesson is spot on. FWIW, I simply was stunned that they left Fowler on the board. I don’t think Anaheim could get to the podium fast enough to make their pick after. That was one of the umpteenth draft days that the NYR pulled a head scratcher. And who has been their most successful 1’s? Chris Krieder and Staal. Both players went right about when they were supposed to. And the result? It’s not 100% science but those two would go on to become franchise cornerstones for years to come. I will forever spit blood on the ice for that McIlrath debacle. And now? I’ve seen Fowler play live a dozen or so times live and while he’s not a superstar he has been a good player for the Ducks for years. Phooey...

E


Thu Sep 20 2018 4:05 pm EST

schneidw - re: McILRATH, I bet I can tell you what they were thinking: This guy will be our BEUKEBOOM. They had all these slick puck movers on the left...and they were probably hoping they had the next LEETCH/ZUBOV one-two punch...or at least one...at the time, we had McDONAGH, DEL ZOTTO and SANGUINETTI...they were thinking if they could get a big, intimidating crease-clearer who could punish guys physically they could spring additional output from one of those three...That's why, I suspect, they passed on FOWLER...he was just another offensive d-man to add to the pool...Also gotta realize who was our coach at the time: The Great Immortal John Tortorella...I'd also be willing to bet Torts, at the very least, gave that pick an enthusiastic thumbs up after it was made...I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn he signed off on it or at least supported it...Mac is/was the EXACT type of player Tortorella relished: Mean, physical, punishing...a locker-room guy. Tons of character...The crazy thing is, had it not been for his string of knee injuries, he might have gotten a good look and perhaps even played in the 2013 strike shortened season that was the Torch's swan song. Not saying he would have saved Torts or that season...but he would've gotten a more protracted look...he was never going to be a star and the pick, from day 1, was ill-fated and ill-advised. But had it not been for injury, there's a good chance McIlrath would have seen a lot more NHL action than he has or ever will.

tdchi


Thu Sep 20 2018 3:47 pm EST

My thoughts on the game: First and foremost, in a quick shout-out to Nick, LUNDQVIST lost that game. He was awful. The only tender I've seen who is worse so far was NELL in TC. He would have let in a medicine ball last night. Every time the puck came near the net, I cringed. It's pre-season, and yes, this is common for him...but it's performances like this that give his critics plenty of ammunition...The D: Yes, yes. There were some breakdowns...GILMOUR'S misplay was just that...an accident. Puck dribble off his stick. Happens all the time. Also happened that he should have looked to make an outlet pass with a forchecker breathing down his neck. Simplfy...DeANGELO. Well, yeah. There were some brainfarts. And I don't think mf is wrong in calling him DEL ZOTTO II. Very similar players, only DeA is faster and even slicker with the puck. He's another, though, who needs to simplify a bit. Tries to do too much. But after two games, I like him back there. He needs a reliable guy on the left, and that may just be CLAESSON. You keep a kid with his skill set. It's something that always stuck in my craw about MDZ getting traded...SMITH...A lot of focus is placed on his conditioning last year...and rightly so...but something that always gets ignored is that he was getting thrown on the right side...and it's never an ideal situation for a blueliner. I know, I know, I know: Smith "said" he liked playing the right side. But that goes with all the other platitudes players say that reporters take to seriously. I don't care what he says. I don't care what ANY defenseman says. It's easier to play on your natural side...but I digress. He had a very strong game and quite frankly, if he can keep it up, I don't see a single reason why he won't be on this club and starting come next month. He has speed, tenacity and boy, can he play D when he puts his mind to it...Not gonna say much about HAJEK. He played 'alright'...he can and should play much better. This is a guy that can move like McDONAGH and has twice the shot. If you're not expecting more from him, then you're setting expectations low...Up front, I don't need to say much about BUCHNEVICH. Was only a matter of time for this kid. I know some pundits/fans were saying "previously" he was easy to knock off the puck. I was NOT one of them. It's going to be something special to see him, CHYTIL and KRAVTSOV come into their own and end up on a line...On that note, CHYTIL. Started really slow. Ended with a bang. He's a very talented guy. He's got a big frame and shields the puck with it so effectively. Reminds me at times of JAGR...Also good to see Gabe FONTAINE have a few real good shifts and scoring chances. This is a guy who will need at least another year in Hartford, but keep your eye on him. He's a very versatile player who has a real nasty streak. If he can bring his offense to an NHL level, he'll be a bottom-line asset...ZIBANEJAD was another who started slow and ended flying. I maintain he's the Rangers' best center at this point...I'll even give Ol' Matt BELESKEY a thumbs up...He played very well, though just about anyone would have scored the goal he nabbed. He played well though...and if the end-game is to give kids a little extra seasoning in Hartford...well...I still don't see a way in fucking hell he should be on this team...from there, the positives sort of dwindle...NAMESTNIKOV was very pedestrian...HOWDEN? Not very good last night. LETTIERI and VESEY were both generally invisible...GROPP gets an honorable mention. Looks BIG out there. He made a couple of plays...but man, when I go back to that draft and see the guys that were selected after him? I really wonder WTF they were thinking...and on two final notes, TOKARSKI was very good in his debut. Equal, maybe even a little better than GEORGIEV...and fuck the fucking moon in its fucktard ass, the Flyers have found themselves a franchise goaltender in HART. That is not good news folks...

tdchi


Thu Sep 20 2018 2:55 pm EST

Rhet: don’t do something stupid like adding facts to the conversation.

E


Thu Sep 20 2018 2:30 pm EST

E... Not disagreeing with your assessment, but Beleskey is only a $1.9 mil cap hit(cost) for the NYR. That's not really a consideration for being able to move him. Boston will be on the hook for the other $1.9 mil for the final 2 years of his deal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 20 2018 2:27 pm EST

E - Agree on Namestnikov..As for BUCH, yep, his ability to step forward is huge...really big...tremendous....He's not a small guy, just played small...If he put on more muscle and becomes more N-S agressive and does some of the things you are noticing when it counts, that will go a long way..

Hospo


Thu Sep 20 2018 2:24 pm EST

Ranger47 - I used to think that about LA (sent down if "4th line"), but not anymore..He is ready for the NHL....Even if he gets 8-12 mins a night AT FIRST, I think that's fine and will help him more than Hartford..Maybe Quinn doesnt go with a set 1,2,3,4 line an spreads the "wealth"? that would be the only way I see LA with FAST..otherwise..I see FAST on the top 9 with Hayes...but..who Knows? Plenty of time

Hospo


Thu Sep 20 2018 2:05 pm EST

HOSPO: Vesey went largely invisible last training camp if my dementia isn’t kicking in. What we have to hope for is that Buchnevich takes a big leap from where he was. In all of these talks about rebuilds, the future etc... Buch has flown pretty much under the radar. But he looks much more mature right now. And not only that but I’m seeing him do some things like jumping into the holes and the gaps patiently. A lot of times he’d make the pass go right into traffic and just get knocked around. These past few games and even back to last season I’ve seen pull off a lot of back door stuff. So, I truly think that he is one of the biggest deciders of whether the NYR are successful or not. Because Odin knows there is nothing I like about Nemo. Soft, perimeter, and puffed up stats because he was playing with a top-5 player in the world at center. He just doesn’t look to me like a cultural fit on what they are trying to do there. He should be playing with Alex Semin somewhere they can wrap up their bodies in bubble wrap. Just anywhere that he isn’t an affront to my eyes and all things hockey I hold sacred and value.

E


Thu Sep 20 2018 1:35 pm EST

Hospo: For me if LA can't break into the top 3 lines he belongs down at Hartford centering the first line there. I fully expect we'll see him centering a 3rd line with Fast as a wing....

Ranger47


Thu Sep 20 2018 1:29 pm EST

E - as for my clueless take on the roster...Only been two mish-mash preseason games but just an overall feeling of where I see the D and O...Wasn't two great games, but I do feel a little better about the D personnel..The D,I think, has 8 guys (with O'Gara as a 9th) that can play at some level in the NHL..Shat/Pionk/DeAngelo/McQuaid on the R and Skjei/Staal/Claesson/Smith on the L..The key is finding the right balance and pairs for what Quinn wants to do..and do you keep all these guys with Hajak, Keane and Lindgeren waiting in the wings? As for the forwards, I feel worse then I did coming in...Just not crazy about the makeup of the top 2 lines(1st C and 2nd W) and are at least 1 top 6/9 forward short of being OK.....As is, I think they will be set with 5 of the top 6 forwards (Kreide-ZBAD-Buch-CHytl_Zucc)..and 2 "third" liners (Fast and Hayes)..Can two of SPooner/Namestnikov/Vesey/Meskanen fill these roles??..I would have thought Vesey for the 3rd and Namestniov for the 2nd would be likely but both have looked unimpressive.....As for the 4th....LA at center and one of Belesky/Mcleod (for toughness and for TDCHI)...and whoever doesnt claim one of the top 9 spots...Both Fontaine and Fogartl looked good in their shots, but just dont see it...Again, just my impression from the offseason and 1st two games

Hospo


Thu Sep 20 2018 1:28 pm EST

E - You have to watch out for vets playing for their lives in the pre-season (like Esa Tiknane II soring 10 goals in pre-season then going scoreless with other Fossils in like 20 games and bye-bye)..as is the case with SMith and Belesky...But, there is no cap issue in NY..and the Rangers need what they at their best can bring..Both started off real well last night....At worst, they will be pushing the younsters to show..ANd I sure as hell Quinn and gordon dont keep around players just becasue they are young...If they got things to learn, leanr in Hartford first..

Hospo


Thu Sep 20 2018 1:14 pm EST

Belesky and Smith are likely never getting back to the NHL unless they show big time and make this team. No team is gonna eat that much cap space on these guys especially when neither of them played even worthy of remaining in the NHL. So for a preseason both these guys are gonna let it all hang out and try to get noticed. If not for the NYR coaching staff but to get another job with another team. Of the two, depth aside I think Smith is more likely to be in the lineup opening night. He is a guy that the New York Rangers need on the blue line. I’d like to see Belesky make the team. Especially if it means McLeod is bye bye. But I think that there is a lot of depth up front and with reservations for the Crown Jewels already slotted I’m not sure Belesky is going anywhere but fast track back to Hartford.

E


Thu Sep 20 2018 12:44 pm EST

MF: On LETTIERI, through two periods I agree. Last year in camp he was the poster child for the kind of play DQ is talking about. He was a everywhere and just relentless. I was expecting to see that again last night and I didn't. Last night he played like he was trying to make the top 6 as a finesse winger. That isn't going to happen. If VINNI wants to make this roster he needs to be the player he was last year in camp.

Vic


Thu Sep 20 2018 12:23 pm EST

I gotta say.....I look forward to Mcquaid tuning up some of the guys we hate.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YXCGx53TCg

tradestar28


Thu Sep 20 2018 11:39 am EST

VIC - I liked Beleskey's play, especially in the third period and for sticking up for a team-mate (cant remember who) like SMith did for Gilmour in the 3rd....As for BUCH..looks promising but..I'll wait until the games gets a little tighter and more structured to see if he's stonger and better...OTOH, Namestnikov was as invisible as ever.....Guys that have been around long enough and should be playing better include Vesey and, though I like him, Skjei..If Quinn is true to his word, all these players have to impress the coach..

Hospo


Thu Sep 20 2018 11:07 am EST

VIC: Buchnevich looks like he bulked up a bit and seems markedly more poised around the net.... Thought Namestnikov showed he's not afraid to get in tight and that Lettieri had a weak game..

mf


Thu Sep 20 2018 10:48 am EST

I have only been able to watch the first two periods so far (and that was through the MSG condensed rebroadcast). But from those first two periods I'm not sure that I see much of anything to be excited about. This was a much sloppier and much worse game for the Rangers then the game against the Devils (so far). I am actually really disappointed in how little physicality the Rangers are showing. I thought we were supposed to be seeing a physical and relentless team? So far, I don't see it. They were far more physical in the first game. Nice play by SMITH and BELESKEY to score their first goal but I haven't seen either throw a hit through two periods. Isn't that what they are there for? Other thoughts.... HAYJEK is a slick skater and looks to have good offensive skills. He isn't ready yet but maybe next year. BUCH looked good again. He is playing with more confidence so far. Not too much else positive to say for me from anyone else wearing a Ranger uniform.

Vic


Thu Sep 20 2018 10:35 am EST

And one more thing, yeah it's a new season, fresh start, clean slate, but don't think some of you are going to throw around words like, "ariubd" and not get called to the mat!

mf


Thu Sep 20 2018 9:44 am EST

I have little patience for 100+ foot passes that lead to turnovers 14 out of 15 times..... As stated, let Tony D skate it out, make a quick outlet pass and join the rush in formation, maintain puck possession... Once final cuts are made and we're playing against starting line-ups, the success rate of these long passes materializing into anything is going to go down........

mf


Thu Sep 20 2018 9:41 am EST

@NYRangers · 1h #NYR have assigned Joey Keane to his junior team, the Barrie Colts of the OHL. The Rangers have 44 players remaining at #NYRTC.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 20 2018 8:54 am EST

Any word on what happened to Spooner?

Ranger47


Thu Sep 20 2018 8:54 am EST

Hate to say this since we lost, but JMHO that last night's game was far more entertaining than the vast majority of games they played last year. Once we get our final team together this season holds promise on at least being more watchable than last year....

Ranger47


Thu Sep 20 2018 8:51 am EST

_ARC - I may have been Deangleos harshest critic ariubd here since I first saw him...Dont like the way he plays and his lack of discipline SO FAR..But, I agree, the kid has offensive kills and has done some really good things (and bad things) out there the first two games..The caoching staff obviosly likes his offense and want to figure out if he can be trusted defensively..we'll see.........As for last night, the defense was pretty chaotic and I think SMITH was the best Ranger D-man....And it wasnt just physicality..He looked faster and handled the puck well...As for the forwards, at ES, they all pretty much did nothinng..4th line abd Belesky was likely the best in taking it to the Flyers..

hospo


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