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Sun Dec 16 2018 12:54 am EST

I get that it is not the same in Colorado as it used to be in the 90’s and early 2000’s. And Denver will always be a Broncos town. But the Avalanche used to be a big deal until the extended lean years.

Bob


Sat Dec 15 2018 11:25 pm EST

Wild sounds more in tune than I am as far as the Av’s go. I think it will depend on where it looks like Ottawa will end up, but I agree they need to take a step towards relevance ASAP. Casual (and 95% of avs fans are casual IMHO) only care when they are winning. Other than the Broncos, this is not a die-hard town.

ColoradoMark


Sat Dec 15 2018 9:02 pm EST

In the Last 10 games, The Bottom 5 teams in the league: LA, CHI, FLA, PHILLY, & Jersey have won a grand total of 12 out of a possible 50 games..... https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:24 pm EST

I can’t stomach another 7 years without playoffs, only Zukk and Staal and Hank ( that’s if he agrees to waive his NTC) other guys are in their 20’s , in the past we we discussed to trade anyone who’s over 30 now we’re discussing to trade anyone who’s over 24 and next year anyone who’s over 22 lol

Ilya


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:17 pm EST

Ilya: As was discussed earlier, while the discussion is about trading those guys....more than likely there will be a couple vets retained...the question is what vets....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:09 pm EST

Could DQ be on the hot seat ? Or even Gordo next year if Dolan insists improvement or even playoffs by 19-20 season ? We’re talking about trading Hayes , Kreider, Zbad , Zukk that way we’ll have no one left other than unproven rookies lol

Ilya


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:09 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL 2h2 hours ago More WOLF PACK GOAL???? - Ryan Lindgren (#5) His first goal of the year Asst: by Captain Cole Schneider (#10) and Peter Holland (#22)

RDW


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:08 pm EST

Rhet. They recently lost their top guy in Duchene for a stretch, and Ryan as well. They likely won’t make the playoffs just like the Rangers, so it’s a lottery pick vs a later first rounder...there is a chance that it could be a top 10 and the Rangers may also be....there is little chance to get any other pick so high, the only reason it may be available is the AVS position and having two firsts with a desire to win now.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 7:43 pm EST

As mentioned, we have a whole new mix of teams in this years "suck-festival" with plenty of supply (player) to meet the demand, so waiting until the trade deadline may Not be optimal.... "IF" HAYES is not being resigned let's move him sooner rather than later... The AV's & EDM are two destinations, maybe CGY.... RHET, outside of OTT'S #1, the AV's have been identified as a "good fit" as a trade partner

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 7:34 pm EST

I don't know why everyone is so enamored with the Ottawa Senators 1st round pick. They are a much better team than last year and currently have the same amount of points as us. They are no longer a guaranteed bottom five pick.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 7:08 pm EST

The NYR have a lot of competition at this coming deadline. At least 8-9 other teams will be sellers (if not more). It's highly unlikely that you'll sell off more than 5 maybe 6 guys and still get value for them unless you want to sell them for penny's on the dollar(which we wont). Besides the expiring contracts (Hayes, Zuccarello, McQuaid), one of the guys mentioned in the top 30 of TSN Hockey's Trade Bait List is Namestnikov at #19(Hayes is #3, Zucc #11). I think Kreider ios more of a we're not actively shopping him, but we'll listen to offers if you blow us away kind of thing. After that, I'd also imagine moving Smith is also somewhere on the list. Shattenkirk may also be on that but I suppose we'll see. He first has to get healthy and score a little bit more(first PP minutes will help).... https://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-list-1.203546

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 7:03 pm EST

The easiest thing to do to end the worry about waiting too long to trade HAYES is to resign him..He's getting better and better..And I know ZBAD has also become more of a two-way player this year but the Rangers WIll get a MUCH bigger return dealing him and his contract value/terms...I know NEITHER is or will be the #1 center to drive this team in the future but both could be the #2 if it happens in the next 3-5 years..or. you can do the total tank and deal both..you might as well and not go half assed about it..

Hospo


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:58 pm EST

Oh, but I think hayes might get you that pick depending on other teams players available the AVS may want. It might take hayes and a 2nd, or 3rd, maybe a prospect, just to sweeten the deal .... Maybe its Hayes and a 2nd for the OTT 1st and if Hayes signs with the AVS they get a 3rd as well...something like that, so if he signs its Hayes and a 2nd for OTTs 1st and a 3rd (2020). Maybe a coupe prospects swap in the trade as well, change of scenery or a balancing of farm systems (Rangers have a lot of D maybe the AVS have more F the Rangers like and the AVS have less depth on D type thing)

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:55 pm EST

mf: Knowing a guy who is on the AVS staff, I can say that there is great internal pressure to win NOW...even if it doesn't turn into a cup, but a deep run to bring the team back to the forefront of sports in Denver, as much as any team outside the Broncos can....he thinks they would trade their entire draft for that shot (speaking lovely of course, they wouldn't really do that)

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:48 pm EST

Wild, agree, i don't think you can trade the entire team. I do think we will see 5-6 players traded at the trade deadline.

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:41 pm EST

Bob: I should have included you too.... Very valid, sounds like I'm barking up the wrong tree... So what else is new? :-)

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:39 pm EST

WILD: refresh my memory please: do you think HAYES would get us OTT's 1st rounder from the AV's? CMark, I'd appreciate your opinion too if you're lurking... t/y gents

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:37 pm EST

If I am Joe Sakic, there is nobody in the Rangers organization for which I would deal the Ottawa pick. Their own #1, maybe.

Bob


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:35 pm EST

andrei: First they are not all available. Hank is not available. Neither is Staal unless one or both have had a rather sudden change or heart. Second....just to point out, even if the rest are available, I doubt all get moved without some just outrageous offers. You want to be the perpetual crap team of the NHL ala the Oilers, you dont keep any "older" guys who have been around winning.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:17 pm EST

rF4l, agree on Skjei. Don't see him being traded, yet. At least for now.. I do think that Rangers are open for business where everyone over 25 is available. Should be fun two month before the trade deadline.

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 6:01 pm EST

RF: SMITH can be traded, hopefully for a 2nd round pick, maybe we have to take back an expiring contract, or take on a Belesky 'type" to make the trade work..... As you stated re our UFA's, ZUCC must be traded, and obviously HAYES resigned or traded..... Would HAYES fetch us OTT's #1 pick from COLORADO??? I also think SKJEI will regain his traction & at 24 years of age and nothing banging down the doors coming up the pyke on the LHS for the next 2years, the return better be good if we're trading him....

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:53 pm EST

Also, it's quite possible what comes back isn't only picks and prospects...

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:53 pm EST

mf: Can't see all those players going between now and the deadline. If it happens it'll be over the next 2 seasons. I certainly don't see Hayes AND Z being traded. I do see Hayes, MZA and Kreider moved. On D, I don't see the Rangers trading Skjei unless there's a deal that blows them away. I think they'll be patient with him. The 2 pending UFA must go and I've made my case on moving Kreider a few times now. After that, maybe Smith and McQuaid, although the former won't go without some salary eating by the Rangers. In other words, it won't be that extreme.

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:49 pm EST

Wild, i heard that Krider was available from the inside source a while back, and today it was mentioned that Canes are looking around, including Krider, on XM radio. Put two and two together...

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:48 pm EST

RF: Then we should go for a full tear-down asap.... Acquire as many 1st & 2nd round picks for this upcoming entry draft and next years too. That would look something like; Kreider, Zucc, Hayes, Smith, Shatt, Namestnikov, possibly Skjei & Zbad gone.... That's frightening, and I don't know if the NYR Brass, or the fans could tolerate it..........

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:47 pm EST

I share the concern some have about waiting too long on Hayes (or MZA) and one (or both getting hurt) and ruining their trade possibilities. The Rangers dodged a bullet with Nash last year - he got concussed again about a month after the Bruins acquired him. If that had occurred before the trade, there'd be no Lindgren or Miller in the system.

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:42 pm EST

Rhea: Fast also had a Maintenance day, and someone else as well as a F I thought....but even if it is "just" Hayes, that leaves them with little to no depth at forward...if a guy goes down sick or with something nagging they would be scrambling...this may just be insurance against that.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:38 pm EST

Andersson going back in covers for Hayes, so adding Nieves doesn't make a lot of sense unless someone else is hurt.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:37 pm EST

https://elitesportsny.com/2018/12/15/new-york-rangers-now-may-be-the-time-to-trade-kevin-shattenkirk/

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:35 pm EST

Looks like Hayes wont be ready to go.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:33 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 6m6 minutes ago More The @NYRangers just called up Boo Nieves from @WolfPackAHL. Coach David Quinn said Kevin Hayes should be OK to play tomorrow vs. Vegas, but this feels like a little insurance in case he isn't.

RDW


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:32 pm EST

At first I was thinking this means a trade in the works....but there are a couple forwards a little banged up, and Shatty is going not he IR I am sure, so this may be just in case those banged up guys cant go.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:26 pm EST

Dog named Boo recalled...

RF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:26 pm EST

Nieves recalled.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:24 pm EST

I mean the rumor

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:24 pm EST

Who has Kreider on the block?

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:23 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun reported that the Canes had a deal in place with a western team for a top 6 forward and it feel thru at the last minute. No idea what players (or other team) were involved. I can find nothing about Kreider to Carolina. It's interesting in that any rumours about the Rangers involve the 2 pending UFA (Hayes and MZA) which have been going on since before the season began. Gorton's 2 biggest deals came without a bunch of prior knowledge (Stepan and McD) so it's clear he's not one to leak stuff to the media meaning it's quite possible he's talking about a few players besides Hayes and MZA. I maintain it makes sense to shop Kreider now - he's return is arguably at a premium given his 12 goals and contract status (reasonable for a year and 2/3's).

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:14 pm EST

Only 10 NHL rookies who are 20 years old or younger have recorded at least 11 points this season; the Rangers are the only team that has two of those players (Chytil and Howden). #NYR? ?

tlats


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:14 pm EST

Bob: I think the jury is out on all those young Rangers except for Howden and Pionk. This isn't unusual - you don't know for sure until kids are playing regularly and making a contribution, which both of them are. Chytil is only 19 and extremely inexperienced - I'm not surprised he's not standing out, although for sure at times he has. Right now, I think Andersson isn't being handled properly. He needs to play regularly, be it for the Rangers or for the Pack. Sitting in the pressbox is just plain dumb. As to the others, especially Kratsov, Miller and Hajek, they're looking good where they are. That doesn't mean they are automatically going to mature into fine NHLers - time will tell. It behooves Gorton, therefore, to acquire more prospects and picks. Kreider for Fox and a first, if that's a possibility, I'd do, provided I have assurance that Fox will sign. It would give the Rangers a decent change at landing 2 lottery picks. If Hayes and something else can fetch Ottawa's first, go for it. Three lottery picks? Yes please!

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 5:04 pm EST

mf, not sure. Krider has a year left on his deal, so return should be a good one. Personally, if we can get Adam Fox and a pick, i would be happy. Kid grew up a Rangers fan...

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 4:49 pm EST

andrei: was there a "rumored" return being mentioned?

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 4:48 pm EST

Wild, i can see Krider, Name, Vesey, Strome, and possibly Staal/Smith traded next year. Btw, heard a rumor this morning that Krider is on a block and Canes are very interested...

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 4:36 pm EST

Alex Ovechkin's consecutive hat tricks have increased his lead in the Rocket Richard race and furthered his case to be heralded as the greatest goal scorer of all-time, even if his final career total falls short of Wayne Gretzky's record 894 goals..... //thehockeynews.com/news/article/ovechkin-may-not-catch-gretzky-but-does-it-really-matter-at-this-point

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 3:01 pm EST

I also believe this is a rebuild and not a retool. And it needs to be. It appears they might have hit the mark with a few of these guys. Howden, K’Andre and Kravtsov. Jury is out on the others including Lias unless a 4th line center is acceptable for a #7 pick. I know they love Chytil but AFAIAC, the jury is still out on him too.

Bob


Sat Dec 15 2018 2:55 pm EST

andrei: I think there will be 5 or 6 his year, but next? I would bet it will be less....unless of course they sign a few “disposable” vet UFAs to 1 or 2 year deals that they end up not needing with kids improving quickly enough. But I think 2-3 trades of any consequence after this deadline this year, including the draft (other than swapping picks and prospects at the draft I am speaking of roster players)

Wildcard


Sat Dec 15 2018 2:41 pm EST

tdchi, let's agree to disagree. Rangers are doing a complete rebuild. That's what their latter said last year. I have no reason to expect anything else. You will see another 5-6 players traded at the deadline, and another 5-6 next year. Considering they have traded 5 last season, that will be 16-18 player turnover. If this is not a complete house cleaning, then i don't know what is. Not sure how you can't see it. 90% of the contracts for this team, expire either this season, or next..

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 2:30 pm EST

rF4l, i never really said jettison. They are all available for a right deal. Z is 100% one of the players that will be gone. Good, but not great.. Who knows. I just think that in three years from now, when he is a pending UFA, he also will be dealt at trade deadline. Ziba will be 26 in April, and by the time his contract is up, he will be pushing 30. Just can't see Rangers offering a 30 year old, a 6-7 year contract.

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 2:27 pm EST

I realize the contract cap story is not equal, but hazy over stepan is not equal. Stepan is probably the better player then and now. And I wasn’t a big stepan fan nor am I a Purple haze fan . Neither one plays with enough grit for what the nyr need ... but it’s way past time for the mighty Quinney to get a lot more sterner.. the honeymoon is over.... relentless has to be enforced....

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:51 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Light skate today at Rangers practice. Four guys missing, so no lines to report. All 7 D are practicing though. Smith rotating in with Staal and Pionk suggests he’s the one who’s going to be out tomorrow. Skjei partnering with DeAngelo, Claesson with McQuaid.... DQ said Hayes is a little sore, but should be in tomorrow. Also, Lias will be back in.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:44 pm EST

One of the frustrating things about Marc Staal is when he's on the PK he'll leave his man to double team another guy and more often than not we will then get burned. Skjei has now picked up this habit. It's only adding to his troubles, not helping them. These are not the tips I want Staal passing on to the younger players. Quinn has his work cut out for him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:34 pm EST

E - Agree and disagree..Yeah, I like DQ's defrensive scheme 1000X better than the man-2-man coverage, run all over the ice scheme of AV...And i agree that the D is a problem becasue too many (Deangelo, Shatt, Skjei-now) do not know how to play responsible defense)....OTOH, DQ is not doing the team any favors by pairing guys like Skje and Deangelo..Still, with Discipline, I think the yhve the personnel to play better defense and that McQUAID will help...BUT..how the backline play may not matter becasue of how poorly the forwards play..I'm not talking baout scoring..talking about their inability to pressure and get it the other team's faces and mivement in bith the offensive and netral zone..They just give them free passsage into The KIng's Zone..and then it's the cinese clusterfuck/mogolian fire drill over and over..It's a team thing

Hospo


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:34 pm EST

TD: I wanted another 1st round pick last year. Yes we had 3, I want 4. I’m greedy and selfish for the Rangers……… I expect them to evaluate and know the “ceiling” on everyone in the system, and use every equity available to Bundle and “out jockey” the other GM’s…… To state the obvious, last year/season the team changed course, unloaded players for picks and prospects to reshape the team…. I for one see how this dip, downturn, or period of not being a threat in the PO’s could be accomplished in 3 season’s (inclusive of last season). To do this, I feel it is imperative to capitalize on every opportunity along the way, be it trades, drafting, signings……. I hope that KRAVTSOV is the next Patrick Laine, how awesome would that be? ……. How awesome would it have been to have back to back picks and been able to have KRAVTSOV and Bouchard “without” disrupting the rest of our draft-choices? I will never be satisfied until we are in the SCF’s again………… Let’s shift over to our D prospects: there are 2 out of 20 on the LHS which I’m hopeful about: KEANDRE’ MILLER & SEAN DAY and DAY can play the RHS and or shift back and forth like a Brent Burns. (The Rangers MUST see to it that Sean Day succeeds!!!)…… HAJEK & LINDGREN? I think one of them was just out on concussion protocol, and as of now, what’s to be excited about with these 2? On the RHS KEANE & LUNDQVIST have just not peeked my enthusiasm either just yet…… DEANGELO reminds me too much of Del Zotto, he has talent, he needs TRAINING, extensive training or he’s going to be Del Zotto part Deux. (jmon) hence I want to keep running RHS Defensive prospects through the system until we find the next PIONK who god willing won’t experience what SKJEI is going through......... For this upcoming draft, evaluate, BUNDLE to the MAX to gain position in the 1st round, and I’m talking 2 picks in the top 5, all the while trying to obtain another 1st round pick for the year after next also……. After HUGHES there are 2-3 really good prospects I’d love for us to draft: Vasili Podkolzin. RW | Russia U18. 5'11" 165 lbs….. The NYR’s probably know everything about this kid due to our attention to the Russian Leagues….. and this kid: Dylan Cozens. C/RW | Lethbridge. 6'3" 176 lbs, who happens to be a RHS……. It’s going to take a lot to get one or both of these kids…. We need to trade, bundle, eat salary, and lose games……. All just my cjaopinions snatcherally

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:14 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... #NYR Beleskey, Zibanejad, Hayes and Fast are not skating today - maintenance.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:47 pm EST

andrei - if you think the Rangers D is the worst in the league, you haven't seen much of the rest of the league. It's not going to win any Norris trophies...but worst in the league? C'mon...and as for your other assertion...yeah, I disagree...because first, you're assuming they're rebuilding...and they're not...and even if they were, what kind of f'ing arbitrary bench mark is 24? 24 when? Today? At the beginning of the season? Next month? At the end of the season? Yeah, we get it. You want a studs-down rebuild. Ain't gonna happen bud. Sorry.

tdchi


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:29 pm EST

RF4L - And I figured you figured I would make that post...so I obliged! Yeah, I'm still sour over the move...ANDERSSON is taking a bit of that bite away, because I REALLY do like him as a player and think his upside is every bit as good as Stepan's...probably better...re: KRAVTSOV - I jumped the gun on that one, but I think it's possible...He was the captain for Russia during the Four Nations tournament...just saw Klim KOSTIN is on the roster...returning player...he may get it over KRAVTSOV...but I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets it.

tdchi


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:27 pm EST

A huge issue facing Gorton and crew, assuming you concur defense is a problem, is the timeline needed to address it. Miller and to a lesser extent Keane are progressing encouragingly this year but are both at least 2 and perhaps as many as 6 years away from making a difference on the Ranger backline. Hajek and Lindgren are closer but still at least 1 and as many as 4 years away from being effective regular NHL d-men. Rykov is a bit of a wildcard because he's so unknown. It's why, I think, Skjei was given that nice contract. The development of Pionk and De'Angelo are crucial now to the Rangers in terms of addressing what is clearly a weakness at the NHL level. Can Gorton find a young, starting to be established NHL defenseman in his pending deals? As this season continues to unfold as it is, no doubt that's something he'll be looking at in trade talks. Alas, that type of asset isn't exactly growing on trees...

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:19 pm EST

andrei: as I see the situation, the likelihood is that the age limit will be drawn with KREIDER as the elder statesman, he's around 27, followed by Hayes, Z'bad.... These are good hockey players which would start on any team in the leagues roster, and they're here now, if we trade them, you're just going to have to sign guys like this to fill in down the road, "depth".......

mf


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:13 pm EST

HOSPO: ITS THE DEFENSE. And it was also the coaching of AV who was so obsessed with puck movement he had his defense chasing all the time. But it the personnel. of this I have no doubt. They are simply not an NHL defense. Staal was a 3rd pairing last season and now? He is the go to guy. Watch any away feed and you get this breakdown: New York Rangers work hard and score goals, but their goalie covers up for what is a weak defense. They just are. We’ve never had a healthy 22. Staal is playing over his head. Skjei took a big step back in his expected development. And they brought in a couple of lower pair spare parts in Clausson, and McQuad. It’s a patchwork defense. Skjei seems to be showing signs of improvement and Pionk has been refreshing. But DeAngelo is really erratic in his play. I know that the New York Rangers don’t want to put too much contract into a defenseman(s) and develop guys instead. But until the Hyjak, Lindgreen, Lundkvist, Miller or who or whatever comesthat defense is gonna get exposed as is. And when Lundqvist isn’t playing at an elite level, gets injured or dread if he begins to sag as age plays a factor? This team will spiral to the sewer and join the NJD in the basement. And maybe another draft homerun? Because this is my burn card year. And next season this needs to be a team with a foundation to build on. Right now? Some pieces are up front but the blue line? Awful...

E


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:13 pm EST

Also, concur that Skjei is worrisome. I don't see, however, Gorton trading him, unless there's a deal that simply cannot be ignored. He/they makde a long term commitment to him in the off-season and I suspect they'll give him considerable rope before cutting it off. Agreed that the D overall isn't overwhelming but I don't agree they are as bad as you're saying. They do, however, lack a top pairing set right now and that has a ripple down effect. Skjei, I'm sure, they were hoping would be 1 half of that pairing - his struggles are exacerbating the issue.

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:08 pm EST

andrei: That includes the jettisoning of Z?

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 11:50 am EST

rF4l, I have said this month ago, there is no one on this team over 24 years who will remain after rebuild is complete. Of course i had people questioning my judgement, but to me, i don't see a single player i would build my team around. Not a single one. Krider is Krider. He will never be what folks want him to be. He is consistently inconsistent. All the tools, but no tool bar. With his ability, he should be dominating game in and game out, but he never, and he will never be a star. Skjei is starting to scare me. I was hoping we have a top 4 d-man in him, but i'm so sure now. Only player i would keep is Fast. You need players like him. To me, he is the only one that works every single shift, every single game. Buch might have finely figured it out. Rest of 24 and older, one by one they all be gone. Unless people had figure it yet, this is a bad team, playing above their level, due to good coaching. This defense is horrible. Might be the worst in the league.

andrei


Sat Dec 15 2018 11:42 am EST

Hey all...it's a little off-colour but I'm sure many will enjoy the creativity! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0aobbhEu3M&app=desktop

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 11:18 am EST

So this lack of commitment team-wide to DQ's style of play is disconcerting. Where's it coming from? I am hoping it's not the coach; I'm hoping it's the remnants of the previous leadership regime. I realize I've been singling out Kreider a lot lately but he's one of the hold-overs, along with MZA, Staal, Fast, perhaps Hayes and Lundqvist. Two of that group are armed with NMC so they're likely going nowhere. I think Gorton needs to seriously look at moving out the rest. I realize Fast plays a committed game but his loss, I suspect, won't make things worse. Hayes (more because of his pending UFA than anything else), Kreider, Fast and MZA will fetch a considerable return and help 1) further reduce the old leadership regime and 2) add more young talent to the organization.

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 11:10 am EST

TD: LOL...figured you'd make a Stepan post. It was the right thing to do, especially given the rebuild that's now underway. I'm with you on Kratsov - he's been impressive so far and it's gonna be really interesting to see how he fares in the WJC. Did you say he's been named the Russian's team captain?

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:56 am EST

Sure glad we traded that STEPAN guy...Oh wait.

tdchi


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:56 am EST

Rangerlou: Yes. Yes they did. They outplayed the Yotes for large stretches of the game and their kid goalie, Aiden HILL really saved their bacon...but still...just no excuse for a loss like that...They did lose HAYES for the OT, which sucked...but they also blew their lead with less than four minutes left in the game, which was just ludicrous. This team needs to learn when to play shutdown defense...and until they do, they're going to lose games like this when they were clearly the better of the two teams.

tdchi


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:53 am EST

mf - I guess I have no idea what you're talking about or arguing. Stock RHS defensemen? Like I said: I think if you offered KRAVTSOV to the Isles for DOBSON, San Jose for MERKLEY and even BOUCHARD in Edmonton, any of those three teams would jump at the deal. Kravtsov might not have been ranked at ninth, but he has already more than doubled his offensive output from last season...at 18...in the second-best league in the world...his production is on par or better than players like TARASENKO, PANARIN and KUZNETSOV at the same age in the KHL...NTM, he will likely be in the NHL to start next season...perhaps even as early as THIS season...if he hops the pond after Traktor's season like he apparently has said he is, I wouldn't be surprised if the Rangers start his nine-game audition this season...SOOOOO...stocking RHS shots? Sure. But the guy the Rangers picked is playing better than all but four guys in his draft class...and the only reason I say those four is because they are actually IN the NHL right now...If you want to argue that there were better options in the second round? ZERO disagreement here...I still wouldn't have selected a guy like Bode WILDE though, over the likes of Jack DRURY...but if the draft rolled differently and Drury was off the table, Wilde would have been on my short list for the second pick...I still would have given a hard look at Akil THOMAS and Benoit GROULX...and like I said...Wilde, while having a decent season in the OHL, didn't even get the invite to Team USA's camp...which KEANE got...and parlayed into a spot on the u-20 roster...so I really don't get what you would have done differently as a Monday morning quarterback...the Rangers got two VERY good RHS defensemen in that draft...AND they got a player who could very well develop into a franchise player...I could/would understand your gripe of Kravtsov was left of the Russian roster, not captaining it...or if he put up the same anemic numbers that he did his draft year...but that's just not the case...all indications are that Gorton made a very savvy selection and the Oilers/Islanders got the consolation prizes.

tdchi


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:22 am EST

Did not watchthe game lastnight...Did they blowa three game lead ??

rangerlou


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:19 am EST

HELLS - Bottom line is DQ has not gotten the majority of the team to play consistnetly within games or from game to game...Same things as under AV over the last year and a half..some new players..but also alot of the same vets......And, despite his statements, and though they rarely stop skating, DQ has been totally unable to get the team to play like he wants--reletnleeess, fearless, in your face,...Is it his failing as a coach or is it the players ianblity to play that way? Probably both, but mostly the latter..This is where GOROD comes and the need to get players (and trade existing ones) to fit DQ's philospohy (which I hope they are on the same page)

Hospo


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:11 am EST

PUCKYOU -My bet ZUCC is a goner and, business wise, needs to be traded just as soon as he shows he's healthy and playing well...As for HAYES, yeah I want him kept and re-sgned and ZBAD dealt instead, but that means jack shit..Rangers need to have their mind made up on HAYES (maybe they do aready) and either re-sign him or deal him over the next 30-45 days or so..better than holding him to the deadline and playing russin roulete with his health..As an added bonus, either doing or not doing these deal sooner rather then later, gives the Rangers more time to tank/quit or maybe regroup and be competitive NOW..Up to GORDO not to get caught with his pants down (injuries)

Hospo


Sat Dec 15 2018 10:09 am EST

Quinn and his staff are rookies too. They need to be evaluated just like the players and the blown leads are not a plus for their evaluation. He gets a pass this year because the talent is just not there, but, if it is Ground Hog Day next year he will be under the microscope. His job is to make them better individually and collectively. If he doesn't someone else will get a chance to.

HellsKitchen


Sat Dec 15 2018 9:49 am EST

I didn't see the game - how did Kreider play?

rF4l


Sat Dec 15 2018 9:38 am EST

Brady Skjei is really scaring me, he is that bad. His decision making is horrendous, worst on the entire Ranger D. Here we were worried about Some of the older guy’s contracts, he might be worse than Smith at this point. I’m sure Gorton is already building a deadline market for Zucc & Hayes, however last night shows you how fragile that can be,watching Hayes get hurt, although I doubt it’s serious. The problem is, what if those guys go down a week or 2 before the deadline with a 4-6 week injury, there goes your package. Not a lot of guys I wouldn’t deal, but I would hold onto Pionk, Zbad, Buch, Chtyl, Namestikov, Howden & Vesey. Vesey has stepped his game up with the new coach and is playing a grittier game, so is Name.

Puckyou


Sat Dec 15 2018 8:47 am EST

If you want a top pick , games like last night are how you try to get it. And I’m throwing the mighty Quinney into the mix of not getting a win .

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 15 2018 1:18 am EST

Take some responsibility Skinny Jeans....Loss was on you....Team mentally weak....A three goal lead at home against the Yotes and you blow it....A new low....

PJ


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:58 am EST

Every time I look at TGO's numbers, I always think the same thing. How do you retire just six goals away from 900 and 37 assists away from 2,000. That would just kill me. It would not even have been a full season to get there either.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:39 am EST

OVECHKIN is on pace for 74 goals this season. At 33, he has a real shot at breaking TGO's 894 (currently sitting at 632).

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:12 am EST

Who needs top 5 picks anyway? ....per Bob Stauffer ‏ Verified account @Bob_Stauffer .... The @EdmontonOilers now have two top 10 scorers: ....McDavid is tied for 2nd with 48 points... Draisaitl is tied for 7th with 42 points

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 15 2018 12:03 am EST

Can't believe our roster of all-stars was let down by Hank...

RDW


Fri Dec 14 2018 11:18 pm EST

ILYA: I’ve seen it plenty. But it’s an awful loss. The kind of extra point that matters in late March. I put on the AZ feed tonight. They had ZERO respect for the New York Rangers blueline. And I would agree. It’s just not an NHL blueline.

E


Fri Dec 14 2018 11:09 pm EST

Ilya... you’ve never seen a rebuilding blow a 3-goal lead? The first thing I said to myself when they lost is that it’s exactly the kind of game a rebuilding team loses.

Evets1980


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:51 pm EST

Hey folks it’s been a while , it’s totally unacceptable to blow leads like that rebuilding or not , I’ve seen rebuilding teams play on the past like many of you here but I’ve never seen them blow leads like that never , DQ got some explaining to do , could he be on hot seat ? He’s got to make them play 60 minutes hockey !!!

Ilya


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:51 pm EST

Rhet, best time will be the trade deadline. You might even have teams that are on the bubble to help with the betting war. Say Canes are few points away from a playoff spot, I’m sure they might get involved. To them, a playoff gate collection will break or make a year. You might even get Jets or Nashville make an offer. I can think of the 6-7 teams betting on his services. Interesting part, If Zuc continue playing, like he did tonight, even he, can bring a high pick. Possibly even a pair of picks, like a 2nd and a 3rd. Hayes will bring a 1st rounder, a good prospect, and another pick, 2nd or a 3rd rounder.

andrei


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:41 pm EST

I don't know if I want to wait until the trade deadline to trade Hayes. It would absolutely suck if he goes down with an injury. Being a center we can probably get the same deal for him now.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:26 pm EST

Perfect example why you will never win with Hankie. All 4 goals are on him. Guess this is the time of every season, when he can’t stop a beach ball. Last year, it was the beginning of the season. Year before, I think it was around this time as well. Keep on playing Hankie. Loose for Hudges.

andrei


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:16 pm EST

Not saying too much.... Quinn on HAYES :"I think he's going to be okay."

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:07 pm EST

This team has never had a killer instinct and never knows how to put teams away.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:59 pm EST

TD: my point wasn't about KRAVTSOV it's about stocking the farm with RHS D when there was a bumper-crop full of them.

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:59 pm EST

WOW, Z-Bad seems crushed.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:52 pm EST

Way to throw a game and a point and give 2 for Christmas. Tanks ... sports betting is alive and well ...

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:50 pm EST

Absolute worst loss of the year ,bar none and Stepan scoring the winner....just salt in the wound.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:46 pm EST

Is that Stepan’s First goal since we traded him? Unfreakin believable

Jake0104


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:46 pm EST

Hmmm Stepan in on game tying goal and winner

rngrsans


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:45 pm EST

Thank God I dont have a dog... Let's leave it at that

tradestar28


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:44 pm EST

Freakin anybody but Stepan

Jake0104


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:44 pm EST

wow.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:42 pm EST

The problem for Howden is that he doesn't play with enough talent on his line. I would definitely like to get Andersson on his wing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:40 pm EST

Rangers continue to prove that they are incapable of playing 3 periods of hockey...how many 2, 3 goal leads have they squandered this season?

RF73


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:40 pm EST

Quinn looks a little volcanic.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:39 pm EST

We all saw the game slipping away, Rangers let Yotes hang around. There goalie played very well and Hank flubs one and here we are. Howden impressive

Jake0104


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:39 pm EST

Not a good goal for Hank. And our D is not good. Too many blown leads

rngrsans


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:38 pm EST

The NYR are playing back on their heels again. This should make DQ very happy.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:33 pm EST

What's the matter Hank, couldn't see it?

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:33 pm EST

Concussion protocol for Hayes?

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:30 pm EST

That's not good.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:24 pm EST

Skjei sux

Puckyou


Fri Dec 14 2018 9:05 pm EST

andrei, I thought the same thing he looks so slow out there!

NV94


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:47 pm EST

Rhet I was thinking the same thing. DeAngelo is a good addition to the blue line on the PP witha guy who can run it. DeAngelo has a good shot, good pass, skates well, but he doesn’t have the ability to run the PP, and may never be good at that.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:45 pm EST

i worded that poorly, but the alternatives left a lot to be desired.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:42 pm EST

I hate to say it but we really could've used Shattenkirk on those couple of PP's(with Pionk in the box). Deangelo isn't as good running the PP.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:38 pm EST

Man, isn’t great that Stepan is not on Rangers anymore. Not only we got Anderson out of a trade, but we got rid of a very frustrating player. His team is gaining momentum, on the power play and instead of an open shot, he did his famous drop pass to no one that caused a turn over and a penalty.. Good job Gordon.

andrei


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:36 pm EST

Can’t argue with that slashing....they called one earlier on the Coyotes that I thought was a bad call...one of those tap with the stick ones that have IMHO ruined Hockey a bit...that was a much harder slash there.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:35 pm EST

Dude was chopping wood.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:34 pm EST

No rust on Zucc's passing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:33 pm EST

Hill with two massive saves on this 5 on 3....yikes....

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:30 pm EST

We were soooooo offsides.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:29 pm EST

Dickaletti bs no need for DeAngelo to go in ... refs are lost

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:29 pm EST

Refs allow this kind of crap all the time when it’s an opponent of the Rangers...they sure are quick to call the Rangers for being rough at all...how many times have even the TSN guys thought a player should get an instigator against the Rangers and it’s all even...Pionk gets an extra 2....how often do other players come in like DeAngelo and nothing.....these Refs sure seem to think they need to be the story tonight.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:29 pm EST

NYR players are stranding up for each other. Pionk felt like he was pushed into Hank and Deangelo was stepping up for Buch. I have not problem with that.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:25 pm EST

Maybe Hank couldn't see that.... maybe.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:22 pm EST

I LOVE PIONKS MOXIE. I don't care about the extra 2 minutes ....TD... My guy was Andrei Svechnikov. He looks to be a beast for years to come.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:19 pm EST

It did not actually look like KELLER really got hit there.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:18 pm EST

Incidentally...my choice selection in that draft and for years was Brady TKACHUK, who got raked over the coals by a bunch of the enlightened advanced stats basement scouts...got in more than a few arguments with the Twitterazzi over him...where guys were telling me that the Rangers would immediately regret taking him...well...I tell you what: If there was one guy who I would have taken outside of the top two...who I think would have really been a HUGE bonus for this team...it was him. I don’t think Ottawa would have done it, but I would have offered them the Lightning pick an our pick to try to land that fourth overall. Oh well.

tdchi


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:14 pm EST

What a snipe.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:14 pm EST

This is just not funny anymore....Z-BAD....IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!! 3-0

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:10 pm EST

mf - I don’t get where BOUCHARD and DOBSON are sure things. Promising? Yes. Future stars? Maybe. But they are far from franchise players at this point...and WILDE, who admittedly I did like in the draft, didn’t even get invited to the US tryouts. He got beat out by Joey KEANE, just as an illustration of where KEANE is...and more specifically, where Wilde isn’t. And as funny as the ‘Krapshot’ moniker is, right now, as we speak, KRAVTSOV is playing better and at a higher level and arguably better than all but four members of the 2018 draft class...and those four are the first four picks of the draft. He will most likely captain the Russians during the WJCs...he is leading or at the top of all his team’s offensive categories...and if you watch clips of him, it’s easy to see why...Right now, he’s making “OTB” Gorton look like a goddam genius and the schmucks who forecast Kravtsov to go at 25 or beyond look like fools...of course he too is anything but a sure shot...but for now, taking Kravtsov at ninth overall is nothing short of a coup for the Rangers...so I while I know and understand where this Wall-ism of Kravtsov being those wild outside pick...it’s simply not holding true...and in truth, I think if the Rangers offered him to anyone picking after fourth overall in exchange for their luck, I’m pretty sure they’d have 26 takers...he’s even looking better than ZADINA, who I thought was going to be the biggest score of the draft outside of the top 3.

tdchi


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:09 pm EST

Rhet: Question is, was it the PK that just wasn’t good that first period or were the Rangers that good on the PP....because coming into the game this was far and away the best PK in the NHL....

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:03 pm EST

Z-BAD should get an assist on the PP goal ...WILD....Our PP looked like men playing against boys...Granted it was a HUGE difference having ZUCC and BUTCH back but still ...Coyotes better bring something in the second period or it'll be a long game for them.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:46 pm EST

Rhet: about the only bright spot for the Coyotes is that they didn’t get scored on on the PP.....tonight even that is failing them.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:45 pm EST

There is no reason watching this game that the Rangers, if they want, can’t not acquire two 1st rounds picks if they decide to move Hayes and Zucc. I just hope this stuff doesn’t make them think they can win the cup with this group....AZ isn’t a top team.....let’s hope they stick to the plan they had starting last season.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:45 pm EST

2 oof ? Amazing... nyr are a home team

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:43 pm EST

Hazey from zucchini

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:42 pm EST

Damn, the Coyotes are so bad.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:38 pm EST

Butchie scores and no posts? Everyone out tonight?

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 6:09 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-kings-have-a-chance-to-jumpstart-a-rebuild-if-theyre-willing-to-endure-short-term-pain

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 6:05 pm EST

Stevie: is that a written or verbal agreement? If verbal, what's to stop said player from going into the market place to then sign to the best offer? Conversely, if said player becomes a bust in first year, what's to stop the Organization from walking away?

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:51 pm EST

mf...can we please stick to "hockey" ,I'm about ready to throw up !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:37 pm EST

(Quick aside: Colleague Larry Brooks recently pointed out a salary-cap loophole. What if a team signed a player to a big one-year deal — say, $15 million — and then come Jan. 1, they have an agreement in place for a five-year, $25 million extension. If you have the cap room in Year 1, then the next five years carry a cap-hit of $5 million while the player is actually averaging $6.67 million per in salary over the six-year span. Would the league OK that, or would it be circumvention?)

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:34 pm EST

for tdchi......Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph Dec 13 Oh, and Cody McLeod is 2-3 weeks away from returning.

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:34 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 4m4 minutes ago It’s official: Lias Andersson is out tonight. He’s been inconsistent, David Quinn said. Adam McQuaid is also out. He’s not quite ready to return, Quinn said, but will be very soon.

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:33 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/12/14/maple-leafs-young-star-is-face-of-nhls-contract-revolution/?utm_campaign=iosapp&utm_source=twitter_app

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:31 pm EST

Irving moofman spot the gentile

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:21 pm EST

Newf: one has nothing to do with the other, I'll take that as a yes. :->)

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:13 pm EST

mf.....actually I'm an Atheist, but what does that have to do with tonight's game ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Dec 14 2018 5:04 pm EST

Newf: "Are you a Lonsman?"

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 4:18 pm EST

Looking at the Projected line-up from our site...……where is Andersson ? Probably stongest line-up ,up front, so far but shouldn't it be Andersson between Vesey and Strome on the 4th ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Dec 14 2018 4:01 pm EST

WC, I hear ya and no argument there.. But don't say that we didn't have what it takes to get another 1st round pick, or choose a RHS Defensive prospect, especially when that was the low hanging fruit in last year's draft.... Speaking of low hanging fruit, where's FruitLegs? :->)

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 3:57 pm EST

WILD - even if I wanted others, I Dont think the pick of Krapshot was off the wall..but it was a little different at that spot..I think every draft projection had him in the 10-30 range with most having him 15-30..But it's all moot..The only ranking that matters is where the Rangers ranked/picked him and what he turns into in the NHL..Good start as Ranger property so far..but still a hell of alot to be told

Hospo


Fri Dec 14 2018 3:33 pm EST

mf: Kravtsov is already ahead of the other NHL'ers in KHL scoring as an 18 year old. Very early on experts said he may be the steal of the draft at his position and that if he wasn't in Russia he would have gone earlier. He was ranked #3 among international skaters by central scouting....this wasn't some strange pick at number 9.....

Wildcard


Fri Dec 14 2018 3:00 pm EST

The NYR's should know the anticipated ceilings on all the prospects and should know early on when to cut bait because their perceived ceilings are higher than actual, and it's a way to out-trade the other GM's......

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 2:57 pm EST

Really now? ….. IIRC The Genesis of the conversation was Draft Position, Best Players Available, and then Drafting for Position, "In That Order." Last year, we had the #9,22,28,39 picks, and plenty of AMMO (players & prospects) to Bundle and jockey for Draft position. Last year’s Draft had 6-8 quality RHS Defensemen qualifying as 1st round talent; BOQVIST was off the board by the time we picked, however, BOUCHARD, DOBSON, WILDE, and 4-6 others were chosen in the first round... We chose ZERO! As in NADA! NONE, of the RHS prospects......Unless KRAPSHOT proves to be a Diamond in the Rough, Choosing a RHS D’man would have satisfied 1) Drafting a best overall talent, and 2) Drafting for a positional need…….(2018 actual Entry draft) ... ( https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/draft-history/2018/) ……. Conversations on the Wall included “Conventional Wisdom being tossed aside, & Hey, Off the Boardie Gordie, where did this pick come from? …… This season's draft is flush with CENTERS/FORWARDS..... Are You implying that anyone on this Wall is a proponent of going "off the board" to choose a RHS Defenseman? I have not read 1 Wallster suggesting this…… OAN, The smallest of details add up bigtime especially when the playing field is designed to promote parity…. This is why I keep pounding the “Bundle Drum” seeking to get an extra pick OR better Draft Position wherever possible. The NY Rangers should know the Ceilings on a Ryan Gropp, a Gettinger, I don’t recall anyone here suggesting to draft anything but a Center/Forward in the 1st round of the upcoming Entry Draft….

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 2:12 pm EST

RF4L - Not arguing with ya but, the thing is , KREIDER can play that way at times..when he gets mad or when other rangers are targetted/taken advantage of...Why he doesn't do it more often is a mystery to me..Perhaps WYSIWYG or Perhaps he jsut intellectualizes a game that he shouldnt...I dont know...perhaps some coach or sports psychiatrist can get it out of him..OTOH, you would think DQ is that type of coach! I like KREIDER but so damn frustrating..

Hospo


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:56 pm EST

Not for a second do I buy the excuse that Kreider doesn't hit because he's so big and strong. To me that's a load of crap. It makes it sound like he's the biggest, strongest player ever to play, which for me is as ridiculous as that excuse. Zdeno Chara has like 6 inches and 50 lbs on Kreider and while slowing down now in his 40s, used to hit unlike anyone else. What about Bufacrap in Winnipeg? Another bigger stronger player who looks to hit and hit hard. Kreider just doesn't have that mental make-up. To me it's that simple.

rF4l


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:51 pm EST

MF: interesting thing about Burns. He’s a little ambidextrous. If he moves across the ice he’ll sometimes change sides so he is passing off the inside. He’s one of the few guys in the NHL who can do that.

E


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:50 pm EST

MICHAEL - hey! Agree with you on both ANDERSSON and KREIDER...but Andersson is just a bit player NOW and it seems KREIDER needs mentally to find the happy medium between being a beast and being afraid to use his strength..Not sure he can do it.........E - I hear you about the change in the game and many strong idividual players not playing as "big" as we would like...But there are many that do...Still, I think the big thing is "team attitude"..If everybody is involved physically..the team will play so much bigger and stronger even without being hitting machines..The Ramgers are not buying or cant buy (I'm afraid this is really the problem) into being that relentless type of team......TDCHI - Agree on SHATT..but not a player i like having on my team..to be worth it, he has to really excel offensively/PP.He's just not doing it..

Hospo


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:41 pm EST

Einstein moofpie 8 forwards 8 d 1 g.. 2017 draft...remember big mac..... leave it to otbg .....they need to draft ambidextrous players .....get your searcherator on....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:00 pm EST

mf, when it comes to NHL drafting, you never go by today's organizational "need". You go for the best available player. Period. This draft is loaded with talented forwards/centers. So you draft most talented forward available. Last year was loaded with d-man, so Rangers drafted best available d-man. This is not an NFL, where player you draft is a grown man, at 23-24 years old, and will step into your lineup right the way. Organizational need today, might not be an organizational need 4-5 years from now. Especially, that applies to d-man. Most d-man don't make NHL till they are 22-23, and they get drafted when they are 18. If they take college route, that might be even longer, 5-6 years. To have your mind set at the only right handed d-man is just a bad strategy considering that more talented forward can be available at that slot.

andrei


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:00 pm EST

mf: Similar but different is lefthanded pitching - Always far less of them but also most seem to do extremely well, especially the top one who can be dominant.

Ranger47


Fri Dec 14 2018 12:13 pm EST

Brent Burns, Drew Doughty, Erik Karlsson, arguably the 3 best NHL Defensemen over the last bunch of years happen to be Right Handed Shots and it's irrelevant to the point. Just thought that I'd throw it out there......

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 11:57 am EST

There are some strong boys in the NHL that don’t play like you would wanna see them play now.

E


Fri Dec 14 2018 11:55 am EST

Michael: I can go down a list of players that used to hit hard that hardly do anymore. Some of it is officiating but believe it or not some of it is just the way the game is being played nowadays. So much more of a focus on zone hockey and being in the lanes you don’t want to line someone up and end up out of position. In the “old days” guys like a Scott Stevens would leave his position and open his lane to crack someone like a Lindros while he was advancing the puck. Nowadays, the way that players skate as an entire league you leave your lane and someone from the other team will jump into it uncontested. Once upon a time a player would look to wreck a defender who held the puck too long on an outlet pass. Nowadays, the collective league is better at passing. Take a run at someone and see the puck way up ice giving you 200’ to skate to get back into the play. And then the refs call every little thing. They have promoted a league of actors who die like football players in the World Cup who seemingly act like they’ve had their knees snapped at every contested play. Honestly, there are times where I prefer watching the A. At least there the diversity of skill is so great that you have a more plodding yet, more physical league. It’s a better brand of hockey but you also don’t get to see the best talent. Just journeyman and up and comers.

E


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:39 am EST

Hospo, in reference to relentless and in your face, I think the Rangers have Anderson. The Rangers primarily drafted him because of that and his leadership potential. Another player who has all the skills to fill that role is Kreider, but alas, I think his first two years in the league taught him that if he uses his body on the opposition, he gets penalized because he is so strong.

Michael141


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:38 am EST

Rhet.....that's HILARIOUS...…….hope I got the spelling correct, cause I wouldn't want to be the first person on here to drop a few letters while typing. Gut Yontiff !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Dec 14 2018 10:21 am EST

I think Ranger management should use their contacts with "those in the know exxperts" like Don Maloney to see if there are any under-rated forwards from CT we could steal at the draft with our top pick...

Ranger47


Fri Dec 14 2018 8:11 am EST

The Rangers need another Swedish goalie prospect!

rF4l


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:57 am EST

Hospo - I don't think SHATTENKIRK has been as much of a disappointment as he has been a realization. He's like a poor man's YANDLE...smooth, slick mover...can thread the puck at times...but really, he's a defensive liability...and unless his partner is strong...well...DeANGELO, I feel, is better defensively...still makes brainfarts...but IMO, he's earned his minutes. He's played very well his last stint and at bare minimum, he'll be a good hold-over until KEANE or LUNDKVIST are to come along...make no mistake: Both are very good prospects...the only reason they're not getting more attention is because KRAVTSOV and MILLER are stealing the spotlight...I'll say this too: If the Rangers draft ANOTHER defenseman, he better be the second coming of goddamn Brian Leetch...because I'm on _Arc's bus here: We don't need any more goddamn defensemen. If the ones we have suck, then they need to be moved...but until we eliminate five or six from the bin through trades or free agency...the bin is full...and what the Rangers really need is high-end talent up front.

tdchi


Fri Dec 14 2018 7:49 am EST

So you guys want the Rangers, with their pick that will likely be between 5 and 15, to select an RHS defenseman. Gotcha. You know, I think some of you argue for the sake of hearing your finger type.

tdchi


Fri Dec 14 2018 6:32 am EST

Rhet- Yeah, and not only that, a lot of righties get a job because of just that fact, so if you look at the best players in hockey instead of the players in the NHL, its probably more like 75/25. Before the deadline last season Gorton went for BPA and ended up with what 5 LHS Ds... Its not optimal.

Ola


Fri Dec 14 2018 2:12 am EST

TDCHI - While they might have a solid RHS..solid is not a word I would use for SHattenkirk or Deangelo..

Hospo


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:26 am EST

Smuck is the goy version

E


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:25 am EST

MF.... Approximately 63% of NHL players (and prospects) are Left-Handed. That's the primary reason why we have so many more Lefties. Would you rather have more talented lefties or less talented righties just to fill some arbitrary quota? In a perfect world we'd have a balance of both, but it's not overly realistic given the statistics.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:13 am EST

Newfie.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwReb36h0KA

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 14 2018 1:04 am EST

Because D men get injured, because some never make it to the NHL level, or past the 3rd pair, or past 2nd pair, and if we hit pay-dirt by drafting successfully, we can always include one in a trade.... we're carrying close to 4 X the amount of LHD prospects as we are RHD prospects.. Not to mention that since the remodel, remold, rebuild, I'v got a good case of buyers remorse on acquiring Shattenkirk.... He's too old for this refit... Then again, so is Zucc, & Brendan Smith, however, I'd resign McQuaid, and, I realize we need some veteran leadership, "eventually." I don't think we need it now.... jmo's

mf


Fri Dec 14 2018 12:48 am EST

mf - You do realize that right now, we have three very solid RHS on D(PIONK, DeANGELO and SHATTENKIRK), with a pair of others that are looking like REAL solid bets in juniors(LUNDKVIST and KEANE)...why again are we desperately trying to draft RHS defensemen? What the Rangers REALLY need is a fast, physical and talented forward...someone who can drop the mitts, but who also is adept at potting goals. Then again, every team needs a player like that.

tdchi


Fri Dec 14 2018 12:11 am EST

I've said this before and I'll say it again: The best truism I've heard about Anthony DUCLAIR came from Carp, who said, and I quote: "He's going to score a lot of goals with a lot of teams." I was impressed with him as a rookie, but that waned pretty quickly...seemed pretty one dimensional to me by the end and I wasn't all that shocked that the Rangers moved him as quick as they did...and so began his MO: Start off quick, pop some pretty goals, and the gradually take one step after the next to the doghouse...I was sorry the Rangers didn't give him a second chance...and was more than a little surprised that he landed with the Jackets...I wouldn't think that it was a good fit on either side...but yeah, he's been in the doghouse over there pretty much since November. Schmuckorella the other week said something to the effect of "it's either DUCLAIR or BJORKSTRAND..." and basically pitted the two against each other...I guess the latter won.

tdchi


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:34 pm EST

I notice thaat QUINN has kind of given up on the "relentless" and "in your face" characterstics that he wanted at the beginning of the season..Cant get blood from a stone...The Rangers just dont have any players like that..but they need to get a few somehow--for now and the future..

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:29 pm EST

Rhet.....potato/potato...…….tomato/tomato.....you know how the song goes.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:23 pm EST

The two returnees will do more than just play on the power play, of course, and Quinn said he hopes with everyone healthy, the team will have some consistency it has lacked. “I would love to have some continuity and go with the same lineup and the same lines for an extended period of time,’’ he said. “That would certainly help all of us.’’

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:02 pm EST

Newfie... You can call me a smuck, just as long as you don't call me a schmuck :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 9:52 pm EST

Rhet: Priority, picks 1-10 best talent available. If it's a close call, Draft a Center 1st, then a RHS D'man 2nd.... jmho

mf


Thu Dec 13 2018 9:33 pm EST

Rhetoric.......I guess a good definition would be a person who answers an either /or question with a "yes"...….

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:36 pm EST

Newfie... In regard to Laine: The answer is YES :) Also, what is a smuck? ...MF.... It's way too early to look at the draft. Outside of a handful at the top, most of these guys will still rise and fall a bunch. I know you think the NYR's number one need is a RHS defenseman, but I suspect they will take a forward with that pick. ALSO: Did you notice that they have the Lightning winning the Stanley Cup and they didn't give us their 1st round pick? Bastards.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:33 pm EST

Future HOFer eith a beauty shot for a goal tonight. Andersson sucks...

RF4l


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:31 pm EST

Wild...I ain't cherry picking deals. If you cannot grasp the argument that's because 1) it's over your head or 2) your inexplicable endless defense of all things Ranger is once again clouding your ability to be objective.

RF4l


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:17 pm EST

Wildcard: I think for the very reason ZUCC was NOT traded last year at the deadline... a player who gets 1st line minutes and lead powerplay time which only results in 15 goals and 55 points on average while being a minus player all while only having produced at mediocre levels in the playoffs is worth a 2nd round pick at best... NYRs know their fans love the guy and ask for more.... stalemate.... Mats has been great and fun to watch but time to move on already.....

schneidw


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:10 pm EST

He may be small for a defenseman, but how could you resist a Honka Honka Burnin' Love? :)

Ranger47


Thu Dec 13 2018 7:31 pm EST

Talent Scouts, this mock draft site (https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/) has “6 RHS Defensemen listed in the First two rounds.” They are: KAEDAN KORCZAK (6’2” – 185LBS, Canada), VICTOR SODERSTROM (5’11” – 177LBS, Sweden), MORITZ SEIDER (6’4” - 185LBS, Germany), DREW HELLESON (6’2” – 173LBS, United States), ANTONI HONKA (5’10” – 176LBS, Finland), MARTIN HUGO HAS (6’4” – 187LBS, Czech Republic)

mf


Thu Dec 13 2018 7:31 pm EST

Talent Scouts, this mock draft site (https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/) has “6 RHS Defensemen listed in the First two rounds.” They are: KAEDAN KORCZAK (6’2” – 185LBS, Canada), VICTOR SODERSTROM (5’11” – 177LBS, Sweden), MORITZ SEIDER (6’4” - 185LBS, Germany), DREW HELLESON (6’2” – 173LBS, United States), ANTONI HONKA (5’10” – 176LBS, Finland), MARTIN HUGO HAS (6’4” – 187LBS, Czech Republic)

mf


Thu Dec 13 2018 6:15 pm EST

I can't make up my mind on Patrick Laine ,just saw another interview with him. Is he an obnoxious smuck, or does he have a great sense of humor ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Dec 13 2018 5:23 pm EST

So it begins.... After a quick start, this dude has come back down to Earth.... per Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline ..... Looks like #CBJ Anthony Duclair is a healthy scratch tonight vs. #LAKings.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 5:10 pm EST

I'm not sure what the Bruins are thinking, but Boston fans do still miss the guy. I still predict that Edmonton loses on this one ....NHL Trade Rumors ‏ @NHLTradeRumors ....."Lucic may finally get that trade he requested".... https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2018/12/nhl-trade-rumors-milan-lucic-for-david-backes.html?m=1#more

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 4:44 pm EST

WILD: I don't think it is that complicated. For most contracts guys are going to be coming off their Entry level contract at between 22 to 24 years old. The better the player the earlier it will be. That is when you need to lock them up longer term. 5 to 7 year contracts at a much more agreeable cap hit over the long term. When those contracts are coming to an end you trade them. That way you get the best years of their careers at a relative discount and let someone else overpay for them when they are past their prime and declining.

Vic


Thu Dec 13 2018 4:25 pm EST

You also cant skip over buy up years of UFA with a longer term deal...Like ZBad, Kreider (I know some dont like him but he is a 20+ goal guy every year for under 5 mil per), Skjei ( now know some are down on him now but he is a top 4 D at under 6 mil per). Cherry picking big deals that fit a narrow profile is an easy way to say things dont work out....

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 4:20 pm EST

Why does everyone skip over Zucc when talking about UFA (pending) contracts?

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 3:36 pm EST

RHET and RF4L: Yep, I agree with both of you.

Vic


Thu Dec 13 2018 2:52 pm EST

Look at the Rangers history when it comes to resigning veterans coming out of 2nd (or perhaps 3rd) contracts in their late 20s: Lundqvist, Girardi, Staal, Smith and Shattenkirk. Only 1 right now is reasonably acceptable (the King's) but he's got 2 more years after this so there's still time for it to really hurt the Rangers. In addition, that NMC is potentially inhibiting Gorton from pulling in a bevy of assets in a trade. Girardi was bought out and while Staal is still an effective player, he's most certainly not at the level that his salary suggests (plus 2 more years after this). The Smith and Shattenkirk deals are quickly devolving into cap nightmares. The former is probably still trade-able but probably not unless the Rangers eat half of the cost and Shattenkirk, unless he gets healthy and rediscovers his game, is becoming a worse contract than Staal's. To me you consider these deals only if you're a true cup contender. Otherwise, trade the asset.

rf4L


Thu Dec 13 2018 2:39 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed on the Price contract. At least the King was like 27 when he signed his - Price's just kicked in this year and he'll be 32 this summer. Yet another veteran getting a huge long term deal that will be an albatross long before it ends.

rf4L


Thu Dec 13 2018 2:36 pm EST

VIC... Speaking for myself, I don't even remember the things that I post on here :) ...In regard to Hank: I totally agree. That last contract was insane. We blew up the goaltenders market twice for him. People are looking at the Carey Price extension ($10.5 Mil per X 8 years)) and are losing their minds over the numbers. Well, they have Hank to thank for that. Price's new deal is the same percentage of the cap that Lundqvist's was when he signed his deal. It has to also be said that Price already looks like he's starting to break down. I can't imagine Montreal will do anything but live to regret this deal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 2:27 pm EST

not = now

rf4L


Thu Dec 13 2018 2:26 pm EST

Vic: Which is exactly why I wanted McD traded and why I'm not pushing for Kreider to be moved. These late 20s guys who have been playing (reasonably) well hitting UFA are becoming scary resigning propositions, as I've been posting about lately.

rf4L


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:42 pm EST

WILD: Clearly you don't read and remember a lot of what I post around here. No, I don't want the Rangers resigning guys like GIRARDI, STAAL, etc. when they are in their late 20s. I want them traded before they become UFAs. I wanted GIRARDI dealt. I wanted STAAL dealt. I HATED the HANK contract mostly because of the NMC, but also because of the huge cap hit and term. I don't care if they trade away a guy a year or two early. They will still get excellent value for them in younger players, draft picks and/or prospects. And it is far better to deal away a guy a year or two too early then it is to be stuck with an aging player that cannot contribute at anywhere near the level he is being paid, while crippling your team with regard to the cap. And it is even doubly stupid to give them NMC where you can't get out of the contract.

Vic


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:24 pm EST

Unless a trade happens, that is my impression too.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:18 pm EST

sounds like lias is going back to Hartford soon .

stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:04 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Power play day at Rangers practice today. First unit: Pionk-Zibanejad-Hayes-Kreider-Zuccarello. Second unit: DeAngelo-Howden-Buchnevich-Chytil-Vesey.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:03 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Oh, and Cody McLeod is 2-3 weeks away from returning.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:02 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Also, according to DQ, Lias Andersson, who appears to be out of the mix, will stay here for now.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:51 pm EST

Hospo I just wish I could think correctly but then I wouldn’t be a nyr fan. Tough choice

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:44 pm EST

RF4L... We originally asked for Sergachev/Foote at the beginning because they were among Tampa's highest rated prospects. The actual pining didn't occur until the Namestnikov portion of the deal came to light. i would still take Foote over Namestnikov. Name has played well, but he'll never live up to his $4 Mil contract.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:25 pm EST

Christ, I hate agreeing with Wildcard on something...:)

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:24 pm EST

Not crazy about Andersson not playing either, but perhaps DQ has some educational/learning reasons..just as long as he gets back in...The Skjei-Deangelo pairing makes me nauseous

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:22 pm EST

Rhet: DQ has been really good about using a game in the stands to teach....so if he has Anderson working on something, and is doing this the same way as when guys mess up, I trust that he is doing the right thing until he shows otherwise.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:19 pm EST

Don't like Andersson sitting and we went back to the same ole', same ole defense pairings..... Andersson and McQuaid the extras. #NYR practice....: Chytil-Zibanejad-Zuccarello.... Kreider-Hayes-Buchnevich.... Namestnikov-Howden-Fast..... Beleskey-Strome-Vesey....... Staal-Pionk..... Claesson-Smith.... Skjei-DeAngelo

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:13 pm EST

Vic: also you seem to forget Rangers players will eventually become UFAs. And by the way Hank, with his numbers has lived up to his deal. Since he signed it the Rangers made the ECF, and he is 132-89-24 and a .916 save%. Sure you can say all you want he should ave been better...but he has been great in net for the Rangers.....but hey....you dont need to count him as a UFA...I would also say Zucc was a pretty good UFA signing....oh but wait...you only are thinking about high priced UFAs that come from other teams....

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:05 pm EST

WILD - I agree..his defense was scary..and still is...

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:04 pm EST

Vic: So you dont want Chytil to sign after his RFA days? Or Anderson, Pionk, Howden? You think lower level UFAs will want to be a Rangers player after seeing one of the greatest players in franchise history treated like crap? Yeah...great sales technique....face it...forcing Hanks hand will do nothing but harm the org...pretending like so many here that stuff like that doesn't hurt is just ignorant.

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:02 pm EST

yeah...its crap when a guy is scaring at a high pace...doesnt mean a thing...certainly doesn't mean he is playing well....

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:01 pm EST

WILD _ ANd you know how every Ranger fan thinks? Does anybody else extrapolate your thinking to all Ranger fans? Generalizations like that are useless.

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:58 am EST

WILD - You can deal with "on pace" crapola if you like..Not me..He sucked for the Caps in the POs...Had a good October for the Rangers offensively..then sucked both offensively and defensively until his season ended...You want to only consider that ~ 1 month of play and discount the rest and chalk it all up to injury? be my guest...Not me..especially not after the insignificance of his play this year so far..

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:53 am EST

WILD: OUTSTANDING!!! If that is true then it would be another reason to do it! I would be thrilled if the Rangers never again signed another aging, high dollar UFA "star". I'm only interested in inexpensive, depth players as UFA signings. You start trying to solve top 6 problems with high dollar, aging UFA's and you are going to end up with buyer's remorse before the ink has even dried on the contract. When was the last high dollar UFA signing that the Rangers made that even came close to meeting expectations or playing anywhere near the level of what their contract was costing the Rangers against the Cap? I honestly can't think of one in the Cap era. In fact the only successful high dollar UFA contract that I can remember for the Rangers off the top of my head from the last 40 years was GRETZKY. And I can think of a ton that sucked.

Vic


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:42 am EST

Vic: Sure fire way to ensure that no UFA to be stays with the Rangers....show them that no matter how hard you work, how bad you want to be a Ranger and how well you play, they will screw you over regardless of contract terms...

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:40 am EST

rf4l: Thats not how Rangers fans think....they dont want to admit that the Rangers brass can do the right thing....

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:39 am EST

HOSPO: Sucked since the trade? He was on a 74 point pace when he was injured last season.....that is sucking from the Blueline?

Wildcard


Thu Dec 13 2018 11:31 am EST

Carp with a good story on Hajek this morning. In he claims Gorton insisted on Hajek being included in any deal for McD and Yzerman only reluctantly and at the last minute agreed. BTW, I know some on here were pining for Cal Foote over Hajek; the stuff I've read about Foote this year is he's struggling a bit due to his skating. I'm not by any means calling Foote a bust or even suggesting Hajek will be a better NHLer in the end but I do find that interesting and like to think it was Hajek over Foote Gorton targeted from the outset. Given how Howden is faring IMO if Hajek eventually becomes a mainstay on the Ranger blue line those 2 straight up for Miller and McD I'd be fine with. Now add in Lundvqist, Name (or whoever they get for him when he's eventually moved) and the remaining high draft pick and it sure looks like Gorton knew what he was doing, doesn't it?

rF4L


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:58 am EST

Personally, I like watching the best player on the team (The King) play every night possible..and JMWO but I have seen nothing from Geogiev that suggest he could be a good, consistent NHL back-up let alone a #1.....I hope that other Russina kid is the real deal

Hospo


Thu Dec 13 2018 10:42 am EST

TOKARSKI and HALVERSON should be the goaltending tandem. HANK should be assigned popcorn vendor duty until he requests a trade. Even better, is there a Churro stand that HANK could work at the Garden????

Vic


Thu Dec 13 2018 9:35 am EST

"Regular back-up goalie Alex Georgiev is slated to get his fourth straight start for AHL Hartford on Thursday night in Charlotte. In hopes of keeping Georgiev fresh, he went down to the minors and started three games in four nights, giving up 13 goals on 85 shots (.847 save percentage) while the Wolf Pack lost all three games. It’s possible Georgiev stays in Charlotte and starts again against the Checkers on Saturday night before returning to the Rangers. If that’s the case, Dustin Tokarski would likely remain the backup for Henrik Lundqvist on Friday."

stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 8:37 am EST

Whatever fishpie decides by the deadline means little to me and the present . You can send your wishes to the Santa Claus fantasy hockey hotline asap. The mighty Quinney probably has. It’s now Time to get on another winning streak.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 7:37 am EST

“ The cracks are beginning to mount as the season evolves. The Rangers are committing more and more mistakes, yielding more and more high-quality chances as the year kicks into higher gear. The defense operates under constant duress. Listen, Marc Staal (who is playing his best, most tenacious hockey in years) and Neal Pionk constitute the first pair. It is not that complicated. Meanwhile, Shattenkirk’s first year-plus in the Blueshirt has been hopelessly complicated by injuries. Poor bastard. Maybe he shouldn’t have asked Lola to dance.”

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 13 2018 1:09 am EST

Not sure how I missed this earlier about LINDGREN.... Per Leslie Treff ‏ @HFNYRangers .... As expected, Kevin Shattenkirk will be out for significant period. With Lindgren out with concussion protocol, not sure who'll be called-up

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:13 am EST

Per The Fourth Period ‏ @TFP ...,Rangers open for business.... "As the season progresses, the Rangers are expected to engage in more trade discussions involving a number of their players." .... "Forwards Mats Zuccarello and Kevin Hayes are set to become unrestricted free agents after the season and both are likely to be dealt by the Feb. 25 trade deadline. Rangers GM Jeff Gorton has already fielded calls for both players, sources have told TFP, but trade talks have not yet intensified." .... "The Edmonton Oilers, Colorado Avalanche, Dallas Stars, Montreal Canadiens, Anaheim Ducks and Boston Bruins are all in the market for additional scoring and could knock on Gorton’s door in the New Year." .... https://www.thefourthperiod.com/dec-2018/rangers-open-for-business/

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 13 2018 12:11 am EST

Russian Prospects ‏ @RUSProspects Dec 10 More Despite previously stated, Russia U20 NT coaching staff decided to try #NYR Vitaliy Kravtsov at center again. He was centering #flapanthers Grigoriy Denisenko and #goavsgo Nikolai Kovalenko at recent practice. #WorldJuniors

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 10:12 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/forget-matthews-and-marner-what-will-it-cost-avalanche-to-sign-rfa-to-be-rantanen

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 10:02 pm EST

TD: The latest Boston rumours I've seen suggest it's Jeff Carter or Charlie Coyle they are targeting.

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 10:00 pm EST

TD: Re buying out Staal. They wouldn't - my post was arguing just that.

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:58 pm EST

TD....You are talking about signing Kevin Hayes to Derek Stepan's contract. I can't be the only one to see the irony there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:57 pm EST

So, will this new injury be the excuse used next off-seaso as to why hometown boy SHATTENKIRK has sucked again? He has been abysmaal ever since traded from the Blues..But, GORDO got a hometown discount!!,,,I think Gordo and his "brain trust" have a much better hold on evaluating youngsters than they do existing NHLers....So maybe they should tear everythung down? :)

Hospo


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:50 pm EST

td: care to venture to guess what it may take to land PULJUJARVI?

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:40 pm EST

TD.... The answer is that we wont buy out Staal... unless... We have a kid that's ready to take his spot or we need the cap space to sign another player.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:39 pm EST

The Bruins have a few real nice prospects I'd want to get my hands on...first and foremost, Jake DeBRUSK...simply put, no way they trade him...Trent FREDERIC would be a great addition...he's another one of the kids who benefited from TKACHUK being in St. Louis. Plays a scrappy game, but can score goals...Ryan DONATO, but that ain't happening...loved Anders BJORK in the NCAA and think he'll be a solid NHLer as well...Jakob FORSBACA-KARLSSON, just to see that long-ass name on the back of his jersey...Like Brandon CARLO as well, but we really, really, don't need more D...Zach SENYSHYN might be a case of buy low. I've heard him compare to KREIDER...very similar game...his stock is at an all-time low though, and there's a thought in Boston that he's well on his way to Bustville...I'm sure the B's would also like to sell high on Danton HEINEN. He was a big part of their success last year, but he petered out midway and was riding pine by the end of the season...But if I were to pick a trading partners for the Rangers to divest themselves of HAYES, it would NOT be Boston. The reason they're coming up has more to do with Hayes being a Bostonian than it does with the Bruins having a need for him...they have BERGERON and KREJCI down the middle...Hayes would be come the highest-paid third-line center in NHL history...and even if the B's WERE serious about getting him, I seriously doubt they move any of the names I listed outside of Senyshyn and Heinen...Maybe Bjork.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:15 pm EST

RF4L - Why would the Rangers buy out STAAL? He's actually been playing fairly well as of late...and it's not like they need cap space.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:12 pm EST

mf - I'd be very surprised if SHATTENKIRK is traded. I'd be even more surprised if it was to Edmonton. And I'd be flabbergasted if the return was PULJUJARVI. Chiarelli is almost as bad of a GM as Milbury, but even Milbury has his limits.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:10 pm EST

RF4L - I would be willing to bet that if the Rangers want to sign HAYES, they could get him for $6.5 million or less, provided they give him length(i.e. six or seven years) and/or a NMC/NTC. The only way he gets $7 million plus is if 1. He goes the rest of the season as a point-per-game player and 2. If A LOT of the marquis names get knotted up before July 1. No way, Jose otherwise.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:57 pm EST

TARASENKO: Looks like the AV's have what to trade to get a deal done. (Wild? CMark?)

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:55 pm EST

re: KRAVSTOV - I'll reserve judgement at least until the WJCs...but this narrative that Gorton went off the board for him is quickly turning into he did his homework and where several other teams didn't.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:52 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I thought CRACKNELL was in the Hall of Fame!

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:51 pm EST

Vic - Whoa. Now where exactly did you get that ANDERSSON was some sort of role player before the draft?!? The guy, as an 18-year-old, scored nearly 20 points playing in the SHL...to put this in perspective, former Ranger great Erik "Crusher" CHRISTENSEN scored 21 points that year...MITTELSTADT, OTOH, when drafted, hadn't played in anything outside of the USHL, which, while a decent league, isn't even close to the top junior league in North America...His best offensive numbers were in high school, which in Minnesota is good, but is still just high school...He was playing against boys and had good numbers...Andersson was playing against men. Big difference. And when Andersson WAS playing in the Swedish equivalent of a lower league(i.e. the USHL), he dominated offensively...So I'm not sure where you get this business about Mittelstadt being this super-offensively gifted center, while Andersson was a role player....and I think you're misremembering the draft...because while most pundits didn't have him going in the top 10, the lowest I saw him getting picked was 17th overall...so in short, the Rangers didn't go any farther off the board picking him than they did KRAVTSOV(who some had going in the late 20s)...and if you want to flip this around, they went WAAAAAAAAAY off the board with CHYTIL, who was projected to go in the late second early third...and...well...frankly, he has every bit of the flash of someone like MITTELSTADT...The legend of Casey Mittelstadt started with all the stupid clips they played of him housing kids in high school at the draft and was solidified when he had a very good WJSS and then followed that up with a very good WJC. And then when he hopped from the NCAA into the NHL and scored a point per game, suddenly the Rangers were off their rocker for not drafting him...Tell you what: Mittelstadt was a safe pick where he was drafted...but it's not like he dropped to eighth...he could have easily gone at sixth or 16th.

tdchi


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:47 pm EST

TARESENKO turns 27 tomorrow (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7868) has 4 years remaining. The NYR's are going to suck for at least 2 more years, why trade for this guy and burn two of his prime years in the interim? On a side note, PANARIN may be available for nothing but money at the end of this season.....

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:44 pm EST

Now you’re Einstein moofpie

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:43 pm EST

Rhet...no.

RF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:42 pm EST

Rhet: SMITH can be traded tomorrow and it won't affect poop. Trade him for a 2nd rounder and move on.... You have Staal / Claesson / SKJEI on the LHS and if we have to sit Staal and Claesson every other game to start giving kids like HAJEK, LINDGREN, DAY, a taste of the NHL pace, and send them back down so they up their motivation & intensity, let's do it....... AFAIC: Smith, Zucc, Shatty must go......... IF Hayes wants the Stars & the Moon, he's got to go too, although at this point I want to keep him...... Question Wallsters: Do we keep both HOWDEN & ANDERSSON or is one expendable ???

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 7:36 pm EST

Though he's been rumored to be available for the past two weeks, NYR fans are losing their collective SH-T today about Tarasenko. Would you deal Hayes, Buchnevich and a 1st(maybe a prospect) for a 27 year old sniper with a very reasonable $7.5 Mil cap hit for the next four yeas (past this current season)? Kiss the rebuild goodbye?

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 6:45 pm EST

Bruins again..... per 98.5 The Sports Hub ‏ Verified account @985TheSportsHub ..... Bruins linked to Charlie Coyle, Kevin Hayes.... "Boston general manager Don Sweeney's rumored interest in Hayes, meanwhile, is finally hitting the web after what's felt like years of rumored interest in bringing the Dorchester, Mass. native back home for his hometown team" .... "In addition to Friedman's reporting, a separate source has confirmed to 98.5 The Sports Hub that the Bruins are expected to be among those most interested in adding Hayes to their roster via trade this season." .....https://985thesportshub.com/2018/12/12/bruins-linked-to-charlie-coyle-kevin-hayes/

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 6:26 pm EST

the best thing about the Shattenkirk injury is that we can get down to having a mostly normal rotation on defense. The more we can play guys consistently, the better chance we have of getting rid of one or more of them at the deadline ...Priorities to me have to of course be expiring contracts: Zuccarello, Hayes and McQuaid. After that, I would really like to move SMITH if possible. Playing every day can only help him.(maybe--fingers crossed).

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 6:22 pm EST

The nhl cap has created the situation of go for it , rebuild, or mooch and flounder. Buttman will keep expanding as long as there are buyers . And owners will be happy.

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 12 2018 6:15 pm EST

RDW... It does seem like a good fit and we should get a solid 1st round pick back from them if Hayes is traded there., I just don't know if it will be THAT one... ALSO: This is me reading Friedman'S 31 Thoughts..."#1-Not the NYR, I don't care... #2-Not the NYR, I don't care... #3"...well, you get the picture :) ....MF... Anytime a NYR prospect does well(or poorly), I will talk about it (you should try being obsessed with your own teams prospects for a change)... What was interesting about that article was that the guy who had the most influence on the NYR's two biggest picks in the past draft was not named Off-the Boardie-Gordie... I find that VERY INTERESTING.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 6:01 pm EST

RF: I think due to cap management unless you are chips pushed in you gotta consider moving guys. SJ got Karlsson because they are close and their window is starting to close. So, it made sense. Kopitar and Doughty both can play obviously but I see them now as rebuild chips if they even can get out from under them. And just like I think Chicago is ready to dump stars, LA is considering it. They can lose with or without Doughty who still has some great years in him left. I think you’ll see more teams who just don’t look like they have it any longer throw in the towel like the NYR and rebuild. Take the syrup of ipecac and put it back together.

E


Wed Dec 12 2018 5:47 pm EST

What an idiot owner over there in Carolina. He's staying 'I will not draft a defenseman in the first round'. His fingers are all over the Hurricane pie and they're gonna flounder because of it. LOL...looks good on Buttman - takes any owner to keep his sunbelt teams where they are.

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 5:05 pm EST

stop giving fishpie so many ideas, he's already confused....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 12 2018 5:01 pm EST

or Zbad maybe

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 5:01 pm EST

Kreider to Carolina :-)

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 5:01 pm EST

Mike Kelly ‏ Verified account @MikeKellyNHL Follow Follow @MikeKellyNHL More Hurricanes owner Tom Dundon said today, the results this season are worse than they expected and that they are in the market for a "sniper." I agree about the need for a sniper, or three and explained why earlier this season.

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 4:45 pm EST

RF: That would be Cap Hit that I'm referring to, I don't care about the other cost's of the buyout, it's Dolanopoly money.

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 4:35 pm EST

RF: Buying out STAAL's contract After Next Season is pittens: $1,066,667 & $1,066,667 (https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/marc-staal/2020-06-15)

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 4:20 pm EST

Keep in mind, trading Hayes doesn't necessarily mean we won't have a shot at bringing him back in the off-season

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 4:12 pm EST

Buying out Staal's contract summer of 2019 will create quite the burden on the Rangers cap for the next 4 years. $2,900,000, $3,700,000 and 2 $1,200,000s for a total of $9,000,000. Ouch! Shattenkirk's is $1,500,000, $6,000,000 and 2 $1,400,000s. Double ouch!

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:50 pm EST

Shatt's contract doesn't concern me, neither does Marc Staal's at this point because after next season we can buy him out or something... Brendan Smith, I am somewhat confident will be gone before or at the Trade Deadline.... With the Addition of McQuaid, I have no issue's trading Shatt......

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:42 pm EST

mf: Yes, yes I concur. I'm telling, just as I've told you about your misguided dream about getting Bouchard, the Oilers will not be interested in Shattenkirk at this junction. Maybe closer to the deadline if, when he returns, he rediscovers his game. If not, the Rangers will be stuck with him. It'll mean 3 anchor-like contracts on the backline: Staal, Shattenkirk and Smith. The former is on Sather but Gorton is wearing the other 2.

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:38 pm EST

RF: EDMONTON needs 2 D'men to compete, and we've got 2 D'men to offer... We can also eat salary. Forget Bouchard for now, a couple of you guys mentioned PULJUJARVI, and we need to amass draft picks for this year and next year's Entry Draft and then get the heck out of the cellar......

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:28 pm EST

mf: Of course you don't see it that way. You're mf! Here's one for ya my friend: I think the chances of Shattenkirk being traded to Edmonton equal that of Edmonton trading your mancrush favourite Evan Bouchard! ;^)

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:27 pm EST

RF: I don't see it that way... The team Shattenkirk signed up with was a whole different roster, now the team is in rebuild.. SHATTENKIRK was always a 2nd pair D'man on a good team & in STL he was surrounded by talented D'men. "Petrangelo, Parayko, Bouwmeester, Polak..... The knee injury was a legitimate setback, and now the current short-term injury, but I think the guy would benefit from a change of scenery, reuniting with his old coach (I'm guessing they got along) who will know "best" where to slot him based upon EDMONTON's current roster & Shatt's abilities, and, EDM has top tier talent which will take the spotlight off Shattenkirk..... For the right return, I'd trade them SHATT & SKJEI

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:22 pm EST

I'm hearing the stuff about PIETRANGELO possibly being available, too. He's currently pulling down $6,500,000 (this year and next). The Blues, especially if they ate 1/3 of his salary, would do well trading him I suspect. He'll be yet another guy who'll be 30 when he hits the UFA market. So many of these guys now. I wonder if Doughty will be last of his ilk to get the mega-deal...

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:19 pm EST

SO.... It's stated that KEVIN HAYES is a good fit for the AV's.... HAYES is the only Ranger who does what he does "puck possession-wise," so we may want to resign Hayes........ Would LIAS ANDERSSON get SAKIC to part with 1st round draft picks in return? (Leave no stone unturned)

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:17 pm EST

mf: Like it or not but Shattenkirk's trade value is plummeting huge to the point where given his contract, no one will be interested. A year and 1/3 into his Ranger tenure and except for 3 or 4 weeks last fall, nothing but disappointment. His knee injury was unfortunate but this year he's been nothing short of disappointing. Bumped from the PP and lacking confidence with the puck he's become a bottom 3rd d-man, if not a bottom pairing. At least that's where he is currently. Now another injury. To me even if the Rangers ate part of his salary, he's untradeable until/unless he returns healthy and straightens out his game. Another guy with a hefty contract pushing 30 (like in 5 weeks)...

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 3:09 pm EST

EDMONTONS OSKAR KLEFBOM (LHS) is out..... #16. Ken Hitchcock said after Tuesday’s 6–4 win over Colorado that Oscar Klefbom will be out weeks after an injury suffered during that game. That’s brutal for a player who arguably was winning the unofficial Comeback Player of the Year Award, a horse on that blue line. There have been 14 30-minute games so far this season. Klefbom has three of them, more than anyone else. (Drew Doughty and Hampus Lindholm were next with two each.) In his absence, Darnell Nurse played 30:44 — fourth-most single-game TOI in the NHL in 2018–19. So it looks like a huge opportunity for him. (Most TOI in a single game this season is Jeff Petry, 33:51 on Nov. 19 vs. Washington.)

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 2:25 pm EST

Back to that Hockey-News article regarding teams which may be a good fit for PIETRANGELO, specifically focusing on EDMONTON… The author mentions Hitchcock’s time in STL so he and Pietrangelo have history, that he and the organization are cognizant not to burn prime years of McDavid’s career, and they have to be thinking the same about DRAISAITL even if it’s not mentioned in this article….. “So why not SHATTENKIRK?” He has history with Hitch. He’s not as good as Pietrangelo, but he’s also not as injured as Pietrangelo and his contract runs longer, he’s signed for an additional two seasons after this one…… Some here have been ringing the JESSE PULJUJARVI bell, well can we get Edmonton’s attention on something like: SHATTENKIRK / GETTINGER / and a 2nd round pick for PULJUJARVI and their 1st round pick? “IF” they want us to eat salary, we could eat $1.65 mill on SHATTENKIRK (which brings his cost down to $5mill per) and offer a 2nd round pick for next season, in exchange for their 1st round pick next season……….. Why Gettinger? Because he’s a big bodied wing like Puljujarvi, so they get a young project…… (IF they want to expand on the trade by including SKJEI, then we counter with BOUCHARD)

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 2:19 pm EST

Rhet: Was just reading that article from Friedman on Hayes/Colorado. Let's hope if we do trade him there the Ottawa pick is coming back.

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 2:12 pm EST

A little "obsessed" with this KRAPSHOT guy are we?

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 2:10 pm EST

Do the NYR have the worst audio on their videos in the entire nHL? ...PER New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... After #NYR practice, Coach Quinn gives injury updates on Shatty, Zucc and McQuaid and talks about the Blueshirts "earning ice" moving forward.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1072927432158646280

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 2:02 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman's 31 Thoughts.... 14. They’ve (Boston) also been linked to Kevin Hayes, but will have competition. Another possibility for the Ranger centre? Colorado. He’s exactly what they need.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 1:46 pm EST

"Finally, Rangers’ scout Jamie Herrington does a lot of the Rangers’ USHL and NCAA scouting, and presumably had a major role in convincing the Rangers to draft Miller as well as NOT drafting Oliver Wahlstrom over Vitali Kravtsov" .....https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/12/12/18137212/kandre-miller-is-reaching-his-potential-faster-than-anticipated-rangers-wisconsin-ncaa-usa

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 1:44 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... "It's a good step. I'm pleased with how it went today." - #NYR Adam McQuaid gives updates on how he's feeling after being on the ice at practice today.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1072923022758174720

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 12:42 pm EST

For those who comb through the lower ranks: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/prospect-need-to-know-podkolzin-running-wild-in-alberta

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 12:17 pm EST

Quinn almost going with the defensive pairings I suggested last week(defensive conscience on each line). If McQuaid is ready to go, I suspect Smith will be the odd man out and the Staal-Pionk pairing will remain intact.... per Rangers Report ‏ @ranger_fanly .... Rangers’ Shattenkirk out 2-4 weeks with shoulder injury #NYR https://fanly.link/8a6471ab65

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 12 2018 12:00 pm EST

"Tank" is in the air...... https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/five-potential-trade-destinations-for-alex-pietrangelo

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 11:58 am EST

Those results are grounds to go Postal... Hide your I.P. addresses

mf


Wed Dec 12 2018 11:56 am EST

Limbo: Those draft results would definitely be cause to open the nearest bottle of whiskey however I'm guessing by mid January the Rangers will be in the bottom three of the division along with NJ and Philly. We can only bank of Hank playing well for so long and once the trade deadline begins to near the sell off will be apparent again. Zucc, Mcquaid, Smith, Claesson, Hayes and others could be gone and I doubt it will lead to us moving up in the standings.

RDW


Wed Dec 12 2018 11:54 am EST

Check that #NYR fourth line: Namestnikov-Andersson-Strome (Beleskey rotating).

Wildcard


Wed Dec 12 2018 11:49 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Following Following @BrettCyrgalis More Staal taking a maintenance day. So, #NYR at practice: Chytil-Zibanejad-Zuccarello Kreider-Hayes-Buchnevich Vesey-Howden-Fast Andersson(Beleskey)-Strome-Namestnikov Skjei-McQuaid Claesson-DeAngelo Smith-Pionk

Wildcard


Wed Dec 12 2018 10:56 am EST

First pull on Tankathon this morning: 1 NYD, 2 PIT, 3 VGK. NYR dropped from 11 to 13. Typical. Still puked in my mouth just a little.

limbo


Wed Dec 12 2018 10:12 am EST

rf4l: You are right on with the Hayes (and related young vet) issue. If we were close to a Cup run you'd strongly consider signing him to that contract. If you are nowhere near close than you trade him and go for the slower but necessary rebuild. We are probably closer to the second option but it's tempting to try to walk a middle line and trade away some of the vets and hope that your prospects pan out and the vets you retain are the complements and leaders which the youth needs for a mid-term Cup run. Unfortunately, without a crystal ball it's unclear which the right path is. IMHO trading away the vets now is probably the most pragmatic choice.

Ranger47


Wed Dec 12 2018 9:30 am EST

With that thought in mind, Kevin Hayes is an interesting case. He'll be 27 when he signs his next deal. He'll surely be seeking something like a 6 or 7 year deal and likely in the $7,000,000 to $7,500,000 range. Is he worth that? He'll become the 2nd highest paid Ranger if this is accurate and Gorton resigns him...

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 9:06 am EST

Buyer beware who chases Erik Karlsson this off-season. He'll be exactly as Kopitar and Doughty - 29 years old seeking a 7 year $70,000,000 to $80,000,000 contract and almost assuredly not worth near those dollars 2 or 3 years into the deal. Hockey is evolving - the players are getting faster, more skilled and most importantly, younger. Of course, players can and will still be effective in their late 20s into their 30s but likely in almost all instances, it'll be the younger ones bringing more value to their clubs and therefore, demanding more money. Bridge deals are starting to disappear - the skilled players are going from ELC to longer term high-paying contracts, pushing out from the lucrative pay trough players who are established and have played well for several years. To me, teams need to be very cognizant of signing a player who's over 27 to a hefty longer term deal. Kreider (and McD) is a prime example: He'll be 29 when he's up for a new deal. He makes $4,250,000 now and that's a reasonable contract for what he brings to the table. If he scores 30 goals this year and next, he'll be seeking at least a 40% raise. Gorton beware!

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:56 am EST

And that Kovalchoke deal - what another idiotic contract. And to think some on here were pining for Gorton to chase that dude. That contract is turning out to be the albatross I figured it would be.

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:55 am EST

Look at the mess that is the LA Kings: Last overall in the entire league and burdened with a slew of ridiculous contracts, led arguably by Drew Doughty's deal. He's on year 1 of an 8 year $11,000,0000/per contract and 29 years old. I look at that and realize once again Gorton did the right thing moving McD last year. Kopitar signed at 29 to an 8 year $80,000,000 contract - he'll be 32 before year 4 kicks in. Those sort of deals need to go to players in their mid-20s, not late 20s. It's another reason why Kreider needs to be shopped. At least, however, those 2 were keys in bringing 2 cups to the Kings...

rF4l


Wed Dec 12 2018 8:13 am EST

Too bad Gorton didn't pursue Josh Leivo. In 4 games with the Canucks he's put up 2 goals and 3 points and is apparently playing very well. At 6'2" and over 200 lbs he would have been a nice addition to the Rangers wing.

rF4l


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:48 pm EST

AON just watched the Cane/Leaf game. Wow...the Canes suck AGAIN. There's speed and some skill but ZERO presence at the center ice position, not to mention legitimate goal scorers. I've been musing about Hayes going there but upon further thinking, I highly doubt that will happen unless the Rangers are prepared to accept like a 2nd rounder in return. I say that because this is a team that traded away Skinner because he was headed towards UFA and they didn't like what he might command on his UFA contract. However, I suspect if Gorton is willing, there definitely would be interest on the Canes part in Z - he'd instantly be their best centre and comes with a reasonable cap hit. Is, however, Gorton even pondering moving Z???

rF4l


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:42 pm EST

Wild: Re the return for Kreider will be better at the draft. That's the same stuff we heard when those opposed to the McD trade complained - 'oh, you cannot trade McD but if you insist, do it at the draft'. Guess what? Minimal trades at the draft. Guess what II? Nice return for McD. In other words, that's crap - you trade when you think you're getting the best return, especially with a player who's a year + away from UFA, as Kreider will be. You get too greedy, you risk getting less. The McD return was very good based on Howden alone. If Kreider fetch something similar to me it's a no-brainer. We'll see...

rF4l


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:36 pm EST

Seems to me that Kreider is that key secondary scorer veteran you need to win championships. While not a direct comparison, let me use Steve Larmer as an example from our Cup run. He'll probably be that player for us if we can rebuild enough in the next 3-4 years = and therefore desirable to keep. But, if we think it's farther out or that we can replace him when he'll be needed then you move him when the deal is right. Since he's got chemistry (and friendship) with Z you probably need to think of their futures with this team in a coordinated strategy. JMHO.

Ranger47


Tue Dec 11 2018 7:04 pm EST

RF4L: I think that if Kreider is moved it will be last....meaning, if they decide to move others it will depend on returns. If the returns are good enough that they feel will accelerate the return to cup contention Kreider is a guy you keep....if they dont feel that way, maybe they move him. With him however, the could wait until the draft, or close to it, perhaps at least the draft lottery. If they win a top 3 pick its probably wise to keep Kreider....and his return will be just as large at the deadline or at the draft....perhaps larger when teams are looking at turning over rosters and the like.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:09 pm EST

Sounds to me like the Ranger's are in LIMBO? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNvMybD_9MI

mf


Tue Dec 11 2018 5:34 pm EST

Quick look at the bottom of the table. CHI/LA settling in nicely as the crap. I can see LA jumping past STL. NJ/PHI just can't get it together, but I still think that OTT/ARI will drop lower. VAN probably stays put. DET rebounded nicely. NYR holding steady. Not sure about FLA, they could go either way.

limbo


Tue Dec 11 2018 5:24 pm EST

Another useless stat: NYR lead the league with 5 Shootout wins. Next is a few teams with 3. That is almost all HENRIK. Making the miracle saves in OT and strong in the SO. Keep an eye on this. As this number grows, looking forward to Vic's head exploding on how much it affects the draft order....

limbo


Tue Dec 11 2018 5:12 pm EST

Those two calls on Pionk last night were horrendous.... On the bright side. Brady Skjei played a pretty good game. Let's hope it's the start of better things to come for him.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 11 2018 4:44 pm EST

In a game that Kucherov should have been given an Oscar and the refs were trying desperately to make the game dreadful you wanted Chris Krieder to be more physical? egads

E


Tue Dec 11 2018 4:34 pm EST

kid k took the dumb penalty of the night award.... ... baby Huey style...

stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 4:28 pm EST

ranger47: I concur Kreider has value. I see it this way: 1) What you see is what you get, meaning he's not going to anymore with his considerable skill set than he does now. As you say, that's not chopped liver but I get the feeling some fans are opposed to moving him because they're waiting for him to suddenly emerge/evolve into a true power forward. I simply don't see that happening anymore. 2) He'd surely bring back a nice return, especially if part of a package and not necessarily just picks and prospects. It's reasonable to envision as part of a package him fetching a first, a top prospect and a young emerging NHLer. 3) If the rebuild won't reap true benefits (re a team capable of winning PO rounds) for 2 to 3 (or more) years, he'll be 30 by then and today, many players start to slip in effectiveness when they reach that age. 4) What will his contract demands be in the summer of 2020? If gets 30+ goals this year and next, it'll be in the $7,000,000 range at least. All things hopefully Gorton is thinking about. To reiterate, I'm not a Kreider hater - I just honestly feel in the long run the Rangers might be better off trading him.

rF4L


Tue Dec 11 2018 3:30 pm EST

rf4l: You may be right about Kreider's night but given 1) the horrendous number of PPs TB got (and K doesn't play the PK, right?) and 2) the TB forecheck which kept us pinned in our own D zone it would be hard to notice almost anyone - though Hayes was clearly visible. K's just not that next level up player who dominates and creates on his own. But he's not chopped liver, either! :)

Ranger47


Tue Dec 11 2018 2:42 pm EST

Kreider = no stick handling. Go straight ahead go fast and shoot He needs to learn to hit. He misses a lot

Vcp1994


Tue Dec 11 2018 1:53 pm EST

Also, if this was the 90'2, Kreider would have 30 goals 3 times already and be looking at 40+ this year (on pace for 38 right now) He would have been good for 10-15 more goals in the 90s with the way some goalies played, and how small their pads were....

Wildcard


Tue Dec 11 2018 1:51 pm EST

The BIG difference between Kovalev and Kreider. Well two. Kovalev could dangle some with the puck, he could skate the puck around guys and make them miss...Kreider only really uses his speed and size to get around guys with the puck or gets it once open. Also Kreider isn't a guy who will get assists like Kovalev did, and its not who Kreider plays with, he just isn't a super gifted passer. He can pass well, but not the nifty passes through traffic like Kovalev did...thats why Kovalev has 40+ assists quite a few times, Kreider has topped out at 25, and this year is on pace for 22 and he is heaving a hell of a season.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 11 2018 1:45 pm EST

Newfie.... Please back away from the crack pipe. Sure, Kovalev had some terrific years with Jagr and Lemieux but he only ever had one 40 goal season. Just once, that is all.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 11 2018 1:04 pm EST

Ranger47: That was the only time I noticed Kreider. I know he's a lightening rod in here in terms of keeping/trading and I understand the stance from those who are opposed to moving him. He's an alluring combination of size and speed but he simply doesn't put it altogether consistently enough and at this point in his career I don't see anything changing now. He is who he is...

rf4L


Tue Dec 11 2018 12:52 pm EST

Ranger47--I was there in-person, and it was glorious. I was running around talking crap to Devils fans about their "not having trouble scoring, they scored 8 goals tonight." The ultimate was that baseball swing into their own net in the 3rd period. Awesome.

Bob


Tue Dec 11 2018 12:47 pm EST

rf4l: I didn't think Kreider was invisible. Liked the hit he made on 2 Lightning players simultaneously knocking them to the boards. I think TB keyed on him and his line and their better skills merely shut our line down.

Ranger47


Tue Dec 11 2018 12:45 pm EST

BTW: Did everyone see the highlights of the last Devils game where they put 3(!) goals into their own net in a loss?

Ranger47


Tue Dec 11 2018 12:33 pm EST

Kreider yet another invisible game. I sure hope Gorton's open to trading him.

rf4L


Tue Dec 11 2018 12:20 pm EST

Once again The Wallbangers are spot on, the devil's in the details, and every move counts.... Can we / will we trade for an additional 1st round pick AND will that pick be from a team that Does Not make the playoffs So that it increases our lottery chances??? ....... "OR" can we pry the 1st round pick the AV's acquired from Ottawa? Currently, the AV's and Buffalo are the only teams with Two 1st round picks in the upcoming Entry Draft... The AV's have OTT's, and Buffalo has San Jose's, so the obvious target is to get Ottawa's 1st rounder from Colorado... You watch a game like last night's and it can bring you right back to TRADE.... Trade Zucc, Namestnisoft, Smith, get picks / prospects in return, and Down Periscope, no need to make the playoffs this season........... We've got some ongoing questions & concerns to address such as trading SHATTENKIRK & BRADY SKJEI, and for entirely different reasons...... Urghhh

mf


Tue Dec 11 2018 10:21 am EST

So long Cole/ Sorry you didn't get a sniff... BUCH is back baby!!! ....per New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned forwards Cole Schneider and Steven Fogarty to @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 11 2018 10:11 am EST

Gene: I actually play pause and go to align the radio feed sometimes. It’s infinitely more insightful. I can always tell play by play quality easily. Often during the game I have feeding time going on. And if I’m in the kitchen the TV is not in good view for a period or so. If I have the Sam and Joe feed on, there is no discernable way to figure out what the hell is going on. I’m just confused and I know too much about a janitor who is retiring this season after 35-years or mopping piss at MSG and how great his family is. Sam’s voice is so synonymous with the New York Rangers I get it. He’s a pros pro. He has been doing quality feeds for years and years, but it’s over. It’s been over. And he never had the chemistry with Joe. Ever. I’ll state this for the record. There is some lousy game calling out there to be sure. But as much as Emerick and his voice is, I can visualize every play, every second. But there are some good ones out there. Rick Peckham is awesome. I love TB’s feed. Randy Hahn (who I think is one of the best in the game.) they can all just bring the game too you. Even guys like Joe Beninati from the DC feed is not as good but capture the emotion of the game. You can at least feel the energy. Maloney is just the best for the New York Rangers. He’s a bit of a homer but man can he be hard on the team. Maybe too negative sometimes but I find him infinitely more entertaining. Since New York Rangers games start at 4:00p out here I often have to catch part of the game in the car in that infamous SoCal traffic. And Maloney for example, went off last night. He ripped the refs. He ripped the New York Rangers. He ripped the league as being a no touch league and how he was talking to Craig Berube about what’s allowed these days and how disgusted they both were. I loved it. I’m sure Maloney would tone it down for a TV feed but as Rosen slows down and his PBP is lousy get Maloney in there. Maloney would liven up this. As for Michaeletti? Ahorita no tengo tiempo para sus boludeces.

E


Tue Dec 11 2018 10:05 am EST

Vic......don't worry ,I think there is a cure for this …..it's called another CUP !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 11 2018 10:00 am EST

RF4L: ;-)....No kidding. I definitely have a case of acute, terminal RANGERITIS... I wasn't born with it but I did catch it when I was a kid....

Vic


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:57 am EST

rf4l: For most of us it's more a case of derange-ritis!

Ranger47


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:56 am EST

Wild......I only posted those stats of Kovalev because Schneidw said that Kovalev and Kreider are similar in that they BOTH don't produce. Like I said they are not even close as hockey players and I might add that Kreider wouldn't score 40 goals 4 seasons in a row in any era 40's-50's-60's-70's-80's or 90's, that is my point.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:42 am EST

Holy crap Vic - you've got a horrible case of Rangeritis...

rf4L


Tue Dec 11 2018 9:32 am EST

STEVIE: I have two big fears when it comes to OTBG and what could possibly happen over the next few years. My first big fear is that the Rangers win the draft lottery this year? Why is that a fear? Well, I honestly believe that there is a greater then 50% chance that the Rangers would talk themselves out of drafting HUGHES with the #1 overall pick. And my head would truly explode if they did that. My second big fear is that KRAPSHOT turns out to be a great draft pick and an elite winger in the NHL. Why would I be afraid of that? Don't I want that? Well, yes of course I do. BUT, can you imagine how big the heads of OTBG and crew would swell if they actually hit on one of these Off The Board draft picks????? Can you imagine how those blind squirrels would handle future drafts if they actually found a nut in KRAPSHOT? They will be seeing the Emperors' New Clothes all over the draft board in future drafts. It is an absolutely terrifying prospect.....

Vic


Tue Dec 11 2018 8:46 am EST

TD...A couple of thins in regard to Cracknell: 1-I thought he had retired and B-I can't believe he's only 33 (it seems like he's been around forever).

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 11 2018 8:29 am EST

Vic you made the case of why the nyr getting top picks is not a great idea unless it’s a no brainer that otbg can’t screw up. Anderson to me will probably be the next Callahan or don Malonney . Another great #7 pick was Montoya.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 8:23 am EST

Gene dickaletti is what the nickname says what he is , and he’s a shill spouting spin on almost every player. Nosen is the curse that has to go unless they want the 25 th anniversary to become the 50 th anniversary 25 years from now. This one will last a lifetime needs to be exorcised. They should make a sign with that curse saying and burn it at center ice before that game. Otherwise the saying will be 94 and no more.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 8:09 am EST

I watched the Bolt's broadcast and the contrast with the Babel Brothers was amazing. Sam and Micheletti are irritating, do not offer insight into the game, and detract from the action. It is way past the time for a broadcast rebuild. It will have to be a buy out because there is absolutely no trade value for this duo.

gene_carr


Tue Dec 11 2018 8:08 am EST

TD: No, you don't get it. What I have said repeatedly is that this is about the decisions made at that draft at the time. This is about the what the Rangers did and why, not what happened afterward. Whether MITTLESTADT goes on to break all of GRETZKY's records while ANDERSSON flames out (or vice versa) is irrelevant. I'll say it again. On the day of the draft holding the #7 pick you don't select a Center who has NEVER shown elite offensive upside over other kids who have. We all know that the odds of drafting an elite #1 center outside of the top 3 or 4 picks in the draft are MUCH worse then the odds of drafting one with one of the top 3 or 4 picks. However, in any given draft there are highly skilled players who are still available later in the first round. At #7 you definitely have a chance to grab a player that has the offensive potential to be an elite player. And the Rangers certainly had that chance. You HAVE to select kids like that in that position because the Rangers have so rarely been drafting high enough to even have the chance. I was pissed at the selection of ANDERSSON because the Rangers selected a kid that never demonstrated any level of offensive skill that would suggest he was even a high probability to be a top 6 player. Go back and look at the draft analysis and look at what the draft "experts" were saying. Almost every singly one questioned whether he had the talent to become a top 6 player. While he may have been a safer bet to have a good NHL career at some/any level then a kid like MITTELSTADT that thought should NEVER enter your mind when you are holding the #7 overall pick. So, should it be a surprise if MITTELSTADT becomes and elite player or flames out completely? NO. Because those are your two most likely options with him. Should it be a surprise if ANDERSSON becomes a bottom 6 player in the NHL? NO. Because that is was he was projected to be at the draft. That was the most likely outcome for him. Would it be a surprise if ANDERSSON becomes an elite offensive player in the NHL? YES. Because he never showed any signs of being an elite player before he was drafted, and certainly hasn't even shown the slightest hint or whiff of being an elite offensive player, let alone even a kid with top 6 potential, since.

Vic


Tue Dec 11 2018 7:06 am EST

The nyr are very good at shooting themselves in the foot. ... but if those 2 posters go in , a different game and maybe a different outcome.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 7:00 am EST

Rf73 check these numbers .... https://www.nhlnumbers.com/team-salaries

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:57 am EST

Einstein moofman do you have a simulator or just a rosterbator? ...https://www.nhlnumbers.com/nhl-draft-lottery-simulator

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:44 am EST

schneidw - I'm not sure you can break down the McDONAGH trade to NAMESTNIKOV-for-MILLER...and if you could, I would have much rather kept Miller...but that said, Namestnikov has been playing VERY well as of late. He's not putting up big numbers, but he very much earned a spot on the top 6...He's a player that has really grown on me...I was a little concerned when he first came over that he'd be a sort of perimeter players...but he's sort of a Miller Lite(no pun intended)...a guy always willing to be in the mix, but who has speed and talent...my only gripe with him is that he doesn't have a finisher's hands, which Miller quite clearly did...but he's much better defensively...still, I think Namestnikov breaks out soon and starts putting up points...his stats line really doesn't show what he's been doing game in and game out.

tdchi


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:38 am EST

Rhet0ric - WHAT?!? We missed out on Adam CRACKNELL?!?! GODDAMNIT, GORTON!!!

tdchi


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:37 am EST

Here's a funky one: The Rangers had more Tampa Bay Lightning first rounders in the lineup(HOWDEN, DeANGELO and NAMESTINKOV) than the Lightning(HEDMAN and STAMKOS).

tdchi


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:35 am EST

Vic - IRRELEVANT?!? How so?!? You keep offering MITTELSTADT as this guy with supreme talent...and I don't disagree...but ANDERSSON is also a supreme talent. One is playing top-six minutes because that's where the coaching staff thinks he'll develop best...the other is playing bottom six minutes because...that's where the coaching staff thinks he'll develop best...I don't agree with either team, but it is what it is...The bottom line is you take great pains to point out every hint or suggestion that Andersson is a bottom six player in order to point out that the Rangers should have taken Mittelstadt...I get it...you like the latter better than the former...but to argue he's so much better than Andersson is just pointless at this juncture...because he's not...in fact, if you look at what he's doing with the time the Sabres are giving him and where he's playing in the lineup, it's safe to say he's not doing very well right now.

tdchi


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:33 am EST

“The guy that’s been talked about has been Hajek. He’s not in the league right now, but he is going to be in the league,” Cooper said. “I’m really happy for Brett. He was another tough one to give up just in the sense that we know he was going to have a spot on this team, if not this year then next year.”

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:27 am EST

“Tampa Bay had six power plays to the Rangers’ one. Over the past three games, the disparity is four man-advantages for and 14 against.”....https://nypost.com/2018/12/10/kevin-shattenkirk-injured-as-rangers-fall-to-lightning/

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:26 am EST

Trade - I know MILLER...he just sucks...guy who is always playing physical and with a chip on his shoulder, but has the talent to score goals...guy who loves going in the corners... I mean, what the hell could the Rangers ever do with a guy like that? Probably a minor league player...when he's not playing 17-plus minutes for the top team in the NHL...so glad we moved him.

tdchi


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:20 am EST

Kovy was one of the most talented players to ever wear a Ranger uniform, or any uniform for that matter. Kreider is fast, north south skater, but can’t stickhandle very well and hardly plays with an edge and lacks leadership.

Puckyou


Tue Dec 11 2018 6:17 am EST

Sign Hayes long term, use Kreider as trade bait instead. Hayes turning into leader. Hate to say it, but Shatty is letting me down , I wanted that signing, but he played well on one leg, this season appears to lack confidence and accepting a backup role.

Puckyou


Tue Dec 11 2018 3:26 am EST

schneidw: Yes by all means each back to last season with Namestnikov...ignore that his point per game output is double this season what it was last....and he started this season like last season. Give a guy zero credit for turning his game around....it sure sucks when a guy under a new coach finds his game....we should all hang onto the handful of games he had under the old coach when the entire team was playing like crap right after he was traded for the first time.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 11 2018 3:17 am EST

Newfie_Ranger: Hockey has changed in the last 15-20 years. Kovalev wouldn’t have had the same numbers. I agree Kreider isn’t that top end of a player....in the 90’s Ovechkin would be a 60-70 goal scorer every year. There would be a dozen 50 G guys and 100 point guys all over the place. Big part of that is the goaltending. These guys today are so much better then those in the 90s. I don’t mean skill or ability wise in net, but the way they train to play now, the styles they use, its made them so much better. I have talked about it before, likely guys from the past would be still among the best with the training and systems used today in net, but on the flip side, the skaters wouldn’t be as impactful number totals wise.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:36 pm EST

Kovalev…………..……….was only 20 in 1994 and scored 21 pts in 23 PO games to help win the Cup......he went on to even greater things with the Pens where he went on to have 4 straight 40 goal seasons, and one year had 44 +51 for 95 pts. Kreider …...not even close.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:30 pm EST

Hate the Bolts and their asshole coach...Would like to wipe that smirk off his face...Hank weak tonight combined with horrendous officiating....Claesson and Pionk not good in this one...Chytil can dish it...Maybe he should be back at center....Rangers did a lot of good things tonight but.......

PJ


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:25 pm EST

Hospo, Sure throw Z in there too! Another decent player sometimes! I wouldn't lose any sleep if we got a first for him too!!! Ok, I will give you Hayes has improved from the last two years, but no way do I want to see him with a 7-8 year deal for big bucks. We will be killing him (and he will be killing the team) in years 4-8, just like Staal, Girardi.

MC


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:20 pm EST

RDW - Same could be said about 95% of all NHL players that played with and against Pilot Boy.. KREIDER is a totally different animal..Very few players have his combination of speed and strength..He just doent have the will to use it consistnelty like players like Jamie Benn and a few others

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:14 pm EST

At least 4 fragrant, ripe smelling goals allowed by Henrikmthe past 2 games. Must be the pads. Or not.

Bob


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:12 pm EST

Take that nyr dads , you know where your kids are.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:12 pm EST

Kreider isn't in the same zip code as Kovalev as far as talent is concerned IMO

RDW


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:08 pm EST

Nice play by CHYTIL on the goal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:05 pm EST

All ztar dominque!!

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:04 pm EST

Shitface mancrushing over cernik.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:03 pm EST

Kreider = Kovalev.... supreme talent that doesnt equate to production....

schneidw


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:02 pm EST

I gotta give Belesley props

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:01 pm EST

It’s 10 pm do you know where your nyr are ?

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:01 pm EST

Vlad Namestinikov: 5 goals in 40 games for NY Rangers and -10. Yeah, lets just say he sucks

schneidw


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:00 pm EST

How much does Stahl make. Toronto and Edmonton might be willing to pay top picks. Assuming he comes back this week. No one will touch Zucc for six weeks. And I would not trade Kreisler.

Jake0104


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:59 pm EST

The Ranger Dad schtick is as nauseating as Michaletti and Rosen

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:57 pm EST

Rangers dads should put a beatdown on their sons

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:57 pm EST

MC - But they are as good as the Rangers have (and I disagree on HAYES nt getting better..he has clearly improved the last year)..Krieder would ftech you alot....HAYES as a Rental? Not so sure..ZBAD..another non star..would fetch so much more with his contract terms

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:56 pm EST

Howz my Xmas Spirit?

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:55 pm EST

Hank had a bad nite

Jake0104


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:53 pm EST

Shaddup shitface

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:53 pm EST

5 Goals against, 4 trades to tank, 3 bundles, 2 First round draft-picks!, AND Shitty positioning in the ENTRY DRAFT..............

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:52 pm EST

Puppies against pit bulls Bawawawawahhhhh

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:52 pm EST

RF4L - maybe ..maybe not.,But, there arent alot of players around the league that provie what we WANT Krieder to provide..Still.a decision Gordo has to make..but. to me, you only trade him if you want to quit on the next few seasons and be on the 5-7 year plan

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:51 pm EST

Hissy fit pending?

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:51 pm EST

Hayes and Kreider are pretty decent players but they are not star players. They are not going to get any better than they are right now. I would like to see them both moved for first round picks and what ever else we could get. Zuke too. Move him. I guess I'm saying i want a rebuild. We are not winning anything with those guys.

MC


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:51 pm EST

Ohhhhhh well

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:50 pm EST

Claesen schooled...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:47 pm EST

Hospo..yes he could. Rinse and repeat...like for 6 years.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:41 pm EST

RF4L - I see the reasons why some want to deal him, I just rather not..do the Rangers have a "mental health" coah or hypnotist? The guy could be such a beast if he just let it go

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:39 pm EST

It's hard enough to pllay TB even up..too may freaking penalties

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:38 pm EST

6 times shorthanded

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:31 pm EST

Hospo...fodder wrong word. How about 'bait'?

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:26 pm EST

I think Brady S is playing very well tonight. Rangers getting caught watching how skilled Tampa is. The Refs once again suck. Doubt Shatts shoulder is separated saw him lift it on the bench, I couldn’t do that when I did the same but a bad bruise can be nasty. We have a chance let’s get back to hitting and shooting.

Jake0104


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:24 pm EST

RF4L - KREIDER is frustrating as hell...but Hardly just "fodder"..He would bring back alot if traded...And if he shoud be trade fodder for his inconistency, so should every single Ranger..but maybe that's what the 7 year rebuild should be about..

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:20 pm EST

KIS..what you see is what get. He should be trade fodder for sure.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:18 pm EST

As much as I like Kreider can he ever influence a game. He is all potential with a capital P. We will never see him reach it. Overrated

Kis


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:16 pm EST

12 shots...LOZE FOR HUGHEZ!

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:15 pm EST

I didn't realize the Lightning were on a PP at the end there. Oh, wait...

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:10 pm EST

Is Z dressed?

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:09 pm EST

Trade...agreed on Miller...disagree on the pick. 31 vs late 50s for me is a no brainer option. Yeah phuck the bolts..but..

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:09 pm EST

TRADE - Really on MILLER? I always liked him..played more consistently hard and physical than most of the prancing Rangers he played with....Now, sonsustently smart. was another story..Had as many brain farts as Kovalev used to..The Rangers, nit becasue of MIller were a dysfunctional team under under AV and other "Lleaders" that last year and more

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:07 pm EST

As far as rooting for the Tampa Bay Lightning to win the Stanley Cup this year I have to say fuck that.... They can choke on that 1st rounder

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:04 pm EST

I never liked JT Miller.... Maybe for one day when he scored in winter classic... His whole disposition irked me since the day he was drafted.... Looked like a Lil bitch loner

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:03 pm EST

Nyr might play a 40 minute game tonight

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:03 pm EST

His excuse will be readjusting to the old pads. Need wildcard here now!!!

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:02 pm EST

Ruslan Fedotenko is the 4th one. Torts favorite.

andrei


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:01 pm EST

Lolol..someone break their stick over crossbar...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:01 pm EST

Good job Hank... Way to go

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:00 pm EST

Those old pads suck too

tlats


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:00 pm EST

He definitely needs those new pads.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:00 pm EST

Trade...the guy I want run is that whine behind the scene Miller.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:59 pm EST

Ruslan

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:59 pm EST

Henrik Bag O' Shit

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:58 pm EST

Prospal?

RDW


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:56 pm EST

Rosey Cheeks Ruslo

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:55 pm EST

I hope some one pounds that schmuck Callahan

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:54 pm EST

MSL. Richards, Dan Boyle... and?

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:50 pm EST

Put some different guys on the penalty kill, they suck or better yet stop taking so many bloody penalties.

MC


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:50 pm EST

Rhet just thinking the same thing

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:49 pm EST

Chytyl gets boarded from Coburn.....and the brain dead fuckin ref just sits there.........

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:48 pm EST

Ahhh...to pick 1st overall to get a talent like stamkos...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:45 pm EST

Who steps on a stick? Shattenkirk looks like a shoulder sep.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:38 pm EST

Is Andersson dressed?

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:37 pm EST

Daniel J. Friedman ‏ Verified account @DanJFriedman ... Ryan Strome now has 5 points in his last 7 games in 6 points in 10 games as a Ranger. Might’ve finally been the change of scenery he needed.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:37 pm EST

My gosh Hayes sometimes looks like he just smoked a fat doobie...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:33 pm EST

BTW I love the Rangers physicality that period. If AV is watching he's choked on his gum.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:32 pm EST

Hurry try to win a autograph stick by nosen and dickaletti. Then burn it.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:31 pm EST

Barfalo with HoFer Middlstat have lost 5 in a row...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:29 pm EST

Seriously?? ....The Toronto Maple Leafs have acquired defenceman Steven Oleksy from the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for right winger Adam Cracknell

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:21 pm EST

TD: All of that is irrelevant. As I said, it has nothing to do with anything that happened after they were drafted. Nothing.

Vic


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:18 pm EST

Here is case-1 on why you can’t play physical in this NHL. Hades forgive that you actually defend your crease. Rangers 2-minutes for playing hockey.

E


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:15 pm EST

Kreider playing a bit nasty tonight too

tlats


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:14 pm EST

Embellishment...phuck you...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:14 pm EST

Kucherov should've gotten the penalty there.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:13 pm EST

Come on ref. This is absurd.

E


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:13 pm EST

What a F-King dive.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:12 pm EST

Kreider sighting = stupid oenalty.

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:10 pm EST

I love when they show highlights of the NYR physicality and then they show mostly missed and half hits.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:09 pm EST

Game is gettingnasty

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:09 pm EST

Then the cup is ours

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:09 pm EST

I won't be happy until our 4th line is Belesky-Lias-McCleod

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:07 pm EST

Holy crap...Hayes trade value escalating HUGE!

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:06 pm EST

Nice play by Hayes on the goal!

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:06 pm EST

Better change to the new pads...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:04 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh giveth, Marc Staal taketh away.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:04 pm EST

Shit oass by Hayes...in Staal's feet...

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:03 pm EST

Namesnikov playing hard taking the body wants to show his old club they made a mistake

tlats


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:02 pm EST

Thank you captain mcdoodie parmenter

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:01 pm EST

Shut the phuck up shitface

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:59 pm EST

Woohoo...mcd scores!!!

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:59 pm EST

Thank you Ryan McDonagh.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:59 pm EST

Ryan McDummy

tradestar28


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:58 pm EST

I thought it wads Girardi, but it was MCD!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:58 pm EST

PP sux

RF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:51 pm EST

It wasn't pretty, but nice play by Beleskey on D.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:49 pm EST

Rf73 for the nyr to be that cap strapped with this roster will probably force them to trade high salaries like Hayes zucchini Shea et al . Fishcap will be calling it phase 2 , without sending a letter.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:46 pm EST

C'mon Fogarty.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:44 pm EST

Comparing what they got for Nash and what they might get for zucchini, is probably not going to be very similar. Taking Beleskey salary was not small potatoes.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:43 pm EST

Vic - I get that you wanted MITTELSTADT over ANDERSSON. Plenty of fans do/did...but to say one is assuredly top-6 material and the other is destined to be bottom six is really not a very reasoned argument at this point...I mean, I hate to keep getting back to this, but ANDERSSON'S linemates have been LETTIERI, FOGARTY, McLEOD and BELESKEY. He has been used almost exclusively on fourth line. He's gotten almost ZERO time on the PP...and for that matter, with any linemate that has an ounce of upper-end skill...Andersson isn't and was never billed as a guy who has flashy moves. He's a guy who drives hard to the net goes to the dirty areas of the ice...his goals come from grinding...And if you have guys who are likewise grinders...well...ain't no one there to get him the puck...you put him on a line with...say HAYES and/or ZUCC...or better yet, ZIBANEJAD...and watch the F out...you'll see Andersson's offense open up...MITTELSTADT, meanwhile, is the goddamn Sabres' second-line center and on a line with OKPOSO and SHEARY...guys who have potted a lot of goals in their careers...he's also gotten nearly 60 minutes of time on the PP, albeit the second unit...and with all this opportunity to succeed, he has NINE(!!) points in 30 games...half of which came on the man advantage(!!!)...Again, that's as the Sabres' second-line center...His possession metrics are pedestrian at best...and guess what? He's not even going up against the opposition's top units...why? Because they're getting rolled out for the EICHEL line...It's not to say Mittelstadt is a bad player or a bust...or even that he's a bottom line player...it's that between the Rangers and the Sabres, there's a gigantic gaping disparity between how their respective coaches are breaking young guys into the league...The Sabres obviously feel they can both win with Mittelstadt as their second line center and that putting him in that role is good for his development. I don't necessarily disagree...Quinn, OTOH, seems to be the type of coach that eases his rookies into roles...he plays them on bottom line and then as they get more comfortable, moves them into roles...Even with HOWDEN, who seems to be the gold standard for rookies that are ready, isn't getting top-six minutes...he's been pretty much kept on third line since the start of the season...Andersson is getting the same treatment that CHYTIL was at the beginning of the season. I could almost guarantee you he'll end up somewhere in the top nine by season's end...and if, as many have speculated, HAYES gets moved...he'll be off that fourth line in a hurry.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:42 pm EST

Official :) .....Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Replying to @RangerProud Sure. 20-93-90; 26-13-16; 72-21-17; 39-50-38. D pairs are 18-44; 76-77; 33-22

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:40 pm EST

Irving moofman Eisenstein

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:29 pm EST

I was against giving Callahan $6 Million per for 4 or 5 years with a NMC, which is what he was demanding of the Rangers. I was OK with the deal because the Rangers had Tampa over the barrel......until the deal was done and I saw how much Slats gave up.

Bob


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:28 pm EST

EinsteinLegs: That would be everything other than H.R.R.! Duh

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:16 pm EST

I was against the deal...I wanted CALLAHAN resigned and had stated that trading the captain in the middle of a playoff run was a very bad idea, if not unprecedented...I didn't want MSL because it really looked like he was getting ready for his victory lap. And then when he got here, he pretty much sucked...really kind of reaffirmed my belief that he was more or less going through the motions...but then the Cup run happened and I was somewhat placated...nevertheless, my big beef was less with trading the first rounders...I always figured that they'd both be late first rounders...but more with who we got...and it seemed like another stab by the Rangers at capturing a guy's legacy...reuniting him and Brad RICHARDS...and hoping to catch lightning in a bottle...pun not intended...much in the same way they did with MESSIER, ANDERSON, LOWE and TIKKANEN in 1994...nevertheless, there was ZERO doubt in my mind that they overpayed for him...to trade two first rounders and essentially a guy who was in a top-6 roll...also a valuable penalty killer and a guy who really was a leader on the team...for a 38-year-old veteran? It was pure madness. You want to trade that kind of haul, fine...but for someone who, AT BEST, has four years left in his career? Madness.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 7:06 pm EST

Hockey is content and content is king. Hence the value of the franchises soar.

Jake0104


Mon Dec 10 2018 6:38 pm EST

What is not hrr?

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 6:31 pm EST

wc: t/y: the topic of another lockout was recently discussed in conjunction with the next expansion team coming into the league and the timing of the two events.... I think Bungholio Buttman will do whatever he can to avoid a work stoppage.... time will tell

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 6:31 pm EST

Thanks Rhet

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 6:15 pm EST

mf: The payment(s) made by the expansion teams does not count towards the HRR....as for the escrow increasing...I think the players will be alright, last years was revised down so they all got a bunch of money back...this kind of adjustment after the fact has been the norm. They will fight a little for more things to be part of HRR, but I dont think it will be quite the battle of previous CBA negations....just me feeling...we will find out if I am correct or not!

Wildcard


Mon Dec 10 2018 6:08 pm EST

#NYR Quinn says Zucc not in lineup tonight. But very close to returning.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:56 pm EST

Algebraically speaking that is

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:56 pm EST

HRR = Hockey Related Revenue for those who are "challenged" like "Moi!" So, Alebraically speaking, were and how did the "Revenue" from the sale of the 31st Franchise ($500 Million)factor into this equation? Did the Players Association see "any" benefit financial or otherwise? ...... just moooooosing,

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:56 pm EST

RF4L... I can see both sides of the argument on that deal... On the positive side: We probably don't make it to the Stanley Cup Finals without MSL. If the guy had played at a high level for another couple of years, the deal would've looked MUCH better in the rearview. Who knew he would decline as fast as he did? His numbers may not have been awful in his final season, but he seemed to be a shell of his former self.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:49 pm EST

Rhet: Too bad we cannot access the wall archives easily. I opposed the deal from the moment Boomer Eaison (or whatever his name is) accurately forecasted it's imminency. It was not the popular sentiment in here; many saw it as Sather did - MSL was indeed the missing piece. I hated the hefty return and wondered about what was left in MSL's tank. I was criticized heavily by more than one individual in here for my stance.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:41 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... According to PA, current NHL HRR projection reflects lowest growth rate "by far" under current CBA. Yet franchise values continue to soar.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:34 pm EST

Guys, certainly it wasn’t a good deal from the Rangers’ perspective. The closest thing we got in return was the second-rounder we got, which got flipped to the Yotes in the YANDLE deal...and I guess you could make a case that the pick we got back in that deal...used to draft distant defensive prospect Tarmi RUANANEN...you could also argue that the Rangers, has they not done that deal, would have/could have picked someone better than HO SANG or BEAUVILLER...in 2014, Kings prospect Adrian KEMPE was on the board...and in 2015, Sebastian AHO was on the board...but you look at both drafts and the chances the Rangers emerge from either one with anything more than a mid-level player isn’t very good. In fact, it’s almost notn-existent...of course having EITHER player drafted by the Isles would have been better than a couple of swings and misses at the Cup and MSL’s farewell tour...but on the flip side, the trade DID mean that CALLAHAN wasn’t resigned...which is arguably a bullet dodged...BUT...to travel further down the rabbit hole...the Rangers, WITH Callahan’s contract through the 2019-20 season, would have been totally unable to resign both STAAL and GIRARDI...so was it a bad deal?!? OF COURSE! But you map it out, it’s not nearly as bad as you would expect...and dare I say it, I don’t think the Rangers’ fortunes would have changed much had it never been done. In truth, I think they’d be exactly where they are now, with a whole bunch of fans pissednoff that Callahan is eating up $6 million in cap space and playing in fourth line. I also think there’s a real good chance that they would have swung and missed on at least one of those picks.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:33 pm EST

A lockout/strike is coming to an ice hockey rink near you.... per Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Second quarter escrow withholding rate increases from 11.5 to 13.5% in response to NHL’s downward adjustment of second quarter HRR, Post has learned.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:26 pm EST

rangerlou... Nothing yet, but these were the projected lines from practice yesterday.... 20-93-90... 26-13-16.... 72-21-17.... 39-50-38.... D pairs are same as usual. Smith and McQuaid (red jersey) make up fourth pair ...RF4L... I remember before the MSL trade, there was a contingent of NYR fans(trolls) on Twitter that claimed that Sather was magic and the worst he'd ever done in a deal while in NY is break even. They went so far to say that he outright won most of his deals hands down. They kind of shut up after those last two deals you mentioned.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:09 pm EST

Rhet: The following season Sather was convinced Yandle was the missing piece. This came after it was obvious his next missing piece answer (Dan Boyle, signed in the summer between the MSL and Yandle acquisitions) was off-base.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 5:02 pm EST

Vic: Way too early for me to decide on the Middlestat vs Andersson thing. I'd rather wait a few more years...

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:57 pm EST

Speaking of respect: Ranger47 please! That should be "Mr.Curmudgeon"

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:56 pm EST

TDCHI: woith all due respect, what Yzerman did with the haul is irrelevant. There is NO WAY Sather should have given up a second 1st round pick.....

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:40 pm EST

Can someone post tonight's lineup PLEASE!!!

rangerlou


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:39 pm EST

RF4L: Or, the Rangers could have drafted MITTLESTADT and CHEETOS. Which I could have at least understood and supported. Regardless of what happens with their two respective careers (MITTELSTADT vs. ANDERSSON) the correct pick was MITTELSTADT at the #7 position. Because MITTELSTADT at least had demonstrated elite offensive skills. He had the chance to become an elite player in the NHL. I said all of that at the time. I sure do hope ANDERSSON goes on to be something more then a bottom 6 player. But if he does the Rangers (aka The Blind Squirrels) got lucky and found a nut....

Vic


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:39 pm EST

TD--Interesting stuff. But I must admit that I don't really care about what the outcome was on the other side. How on earth Yzerman extracted 2 #1 picks and a serviceable player for a guy on the downside who demanded to be moved, had a no-trade and designated only 1 team is beyond me. I also thought that Sather gave up too much for Rick Nash when the Rangers were the only destination that made sense.

Bob


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:37 pm EST

Yzerman threatened to hold off until the Draft to trade MSL and Sather blinked first. You have to be willing to walk away from a deal so you don't pay through the nose, but Sather was convinced MSL was the missing piece and the rest is history ....MF.... IMO, they need to trade 2-3 defensemen this season. You have McQuaid's deal ending and really need to move Smith. Also: i think there is probably only one left D-man that's going to crack the lineup by next season and I hope he could at least beat out Claesson for a spot. Maybe Hajek at some point next season and then K'Andre Miller maybe the following year. You clear up spots as you need them, not leave them open for when players are ready. In regard to bundling: name those 18 left shot defensemen.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:30 pm EST

Here's a question for those willing: Top 5 NYR fleecings during the Sather Era. I'm sure there were some picks that became studs, I just can't remember them.

limbo


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:28 pm EST

TD - Thanks for digging that all up. Really interesting going down the rabbit hole of trades/picks/players to see the bottom line. Sometimes it's not what you expect.

limbo


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:11 pm EST

So we often discuss how awful the MSL-CALLAHAN deal was for the Rangers...but was it that good for the Lightning? Aside from CALLAHAN, Yzerman parlayed the two firsts into three seconds and a third, with which he got Jon McLEOD, Dominik MASIN, Anthony CIRELLI and Mitchel STEPHENS. They also traded the seventh the Rangers included in the deal for former Ranger pick, Daniel WALCOTT...Cally, obvisouly, isn’t even half the player he was...and really, he’s a cap drain...which is part of the reason they couldn’t land KARLSSON...McLEOD is in the ECHL and wasn’t qualified by Tampa...MASIN is toiling in Syracuse, but is not very likely to be more than a depth player...STEPHENS is promising, but again...a long way off from a sure-thing. WALCOTT is a depth player who will likely bounce between the NHL and AHL...so really the only piece that Tampa made out with is CIRELLI, who is a solid third-line center who may have a second-line upside....arguably the biggest benefactors of the deal was the Islanders, who ended up with both Tanger picks...but they didn’t even add anyone too stellar...HO SANG has been a headache...and BEAUVILLIER can’t seem to consistently play a top six game....granted, the Rangers didn’t get squat from that deal....but it’s interesting that Tampa hasn’t really realized a great return either.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 4:00 pm EST

Sather was so hellbent to teach Callahan a lesson that he got fleeced. That is all anyone needs to know about the deal. That Callahan accepted less on an extension than the Rangers were offering is secondary.......although it seemed clear that he wanted out given his reduced ice time and lack of power play minutes under AV.....who used him as 3rd liner exclusively.

Bob


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:45 pm EST

AON the new Bolt GM calls the MSL/Callahan deal the best of the Yzerman era, in part because MSL demanded a trade but listed one team only. In saying that I'm not discounting MSL's value to the Rangers - his presence was integral to their Stanley Cup final run (for more than 1 reason); Yzerman pilfering the Rangers of 2 firsts plus Callahan when he had zero leverage that really comes into play here. Nob for Life more than blinked during negotiations - he probably nodded off more than once and each time Yzerman slid more into the pot!

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:36 pm EST

I assume those who want Skjei moved feel that what we are seeing is what we'll see indefinitely. If so, I get wanting him traded. Sell semi-high before you're selling low or not able to sell at all. If you guys are correct, Gorton and company sure erred in their assessment of this kid. That's middle to top pairing money (at this point in the contract) Skjei is pulling in. Right now he's bottom 3rd and as such, way overpaid.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:31 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed on Skjei trying to do too much. In his rookie year there weren't really any expectations on him and as you cite, he was playing behind McD. Last year was a mess all around and this year, armed with that contract, whatever the Rangers' expectations were/are for him, most certainly he's not supposed to making the mistakes he keeps making. It is real early in his career, the team is in a rebuilding mode and at times collectively playing poorly, so I’m guessing (hoping) it's more about the pressure he's putting on himself vs a lack of ability (meaning his rookie year will turn out to be nothing but a tease). If so, eventually he'll settle down and figure it out. No doubt that’s what management is hoping for – they didn’t give him that contract if they thought what you’re seeing now is what you’re gonna get going forward. Surely, this is just a bad stretch in a young d-man’s career. It would be rather distressing to see him traded away only to find his game and evolve into a true top pairing d-man

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:15 pm EST

Smart kid.... per the New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers 10m10 minutes ago More "I was blown away by both the organization and the city. Now I try to catch all the results and see how the team is doing. I can't wait to go back next summer." Catching up with #NYR prospect Nils Lundkvist after he was named to Sweden's preliminary roster for World Juniors..... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/lundkvist-happy-to-make-swedens-prelim-roster-at-world-juniors/c-302790086

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:15 pm EST

RHET: I'm eager as hell to get the LHS Defensive youth minutes with the big club. Let's whittle the 18 or so in the pipeline down to 6-10 and trade the rest off before our competition knows their limitations......

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 3:10 pm EST

MF... Why would you buy him out? There is really not much to gain from it anymore. We would be better off letting him play out his final two seasons(instead of paying him for the next four). JMO though.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 2:57 pm EST

Rhet: Staal's buyout after Next season is minimal, and it coincides with Girardi's cap hit reducing from $3.611 mill to $1.11 mill, SO I think there's a real possibility that STAAL is a gonna after next season

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 2:46 pm EST

(cont) Pionk is doing well, but still needs to develop his defense. He seems more ready/able to take over the #1 spot on D..It will take him some time to become a complete player. I love Pionk's heart and refusal to quit. the kid doesn't stop working.For some reason, there are a percentage of NYR fans that don't like the kid and I'm not quite sure as to why. Outside of Claesson, I would probably get rid of everyone else. Maybe not by this trade deadline but over the next year and a half or so at least. That wouldn't include Staal, because with his price tag and NMC, we're stuck with him for the foreseeable future.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 2:33 pm EST

The problem with Skjei is largely of our own doing. We pushed him into the role of #1 too quickly. We saw him play behind McDonagh in his freshman season and drooled at the potential. We thought we had MCD JR.(ready to take over right away) and instead of easing him into the role, we said "here you go."Too often he's not playing his game, he's instead trying to live up to the expectations of what he thinks a #1 D-man should be. He will need to be broken down and built back up.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 2:18 pm EST

Better yet, Curmudgeon :)

Ranger47


Mon Dec 10 2018 2:09 pm EST

Hospo: We term this as being a, "Contrarian." :->)

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 1:48 pm EST

It's a weird freaking world where I am one of the few being bullish on and/or expressing hope and patience with youngsters,,Not all of them mind you, guys like Nieves and Lettieri are another story..:)

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 1:46 pm EST

Jesse PULJUJARVI: This kid looks impressive.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/15998

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 1:25 pm EST

I like Andersson also. I like his toughness and willingness to get to the net and in the corners. However, Howden had bypassed him IMO and the best Andersson ever gets to here is 3rd line center, and that happens only if Hayes is traded.

Bob


Mon Dec 10 2018 1:10 pm EST

I know it's pre-season but I recall a couple of nice goals by Andersson against the Devils in a pre-season game...

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:51 pm EST

BRENDAN SMITH'S 1st year here had him on the RHS with SKJEI... IIRC Smith was quoted as saying that SKJEI made it easy for him to play his game.... This stretch of time is also the last time that Brady impressed, SO, perhaps pairing him with a more stable "stay at home type" is just what the kid needs... Is McQuaid due back anytime soon?

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:47 pm EST

Ranger Fans granting time and patience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp96Z-GqzrU

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:28 pm EST

On ANDERSSON, I like the way he plays and he does alot of the little things right..and glad the Rangers have him....BUT...agree with VIC that I have yet to really see much skill shine through that would make one optimistic that he could be a Top 6 forward.....And I dont think it has anything to do with linemates...Still, maybe as with CHYTL, all it takes is a little bit of confidence to play more freely and try things instead of just grinding and being safe? Gotta give him time and patience...

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:19 pm EST

The irony is if we had taken Chytil at #7(which I think would've made some fans happier), Andersson would have been long gone at 21 ...TD.... You can only get what the market will bear. Right now there are 8 teams looking to be sellers to various degrees. That does not include the NYR. If that trend continues and grows by the trade deadline, it does not bode well for us Meaning, there will be too many sellers and not enough buyers come this February. We are sure to get a solid prospect for Zucc, whatever else is hard to determine right now(getting nothing for him, cannot be a consideration for a pending UFA). Also: To some degree, you KNOW that Spooner was a throw in. The Bruins had been looking to move him for the better part of a year without much success.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:04 pm EST

TD and RF4L: I'm still waiting to see a single offensive play from ANDERSSON that looks like a top six type play. I haven't seen one yet since the day he was drafted. If/when he starts to show anything resembling a future as a potential top 6 player I'll be the first to celebrate it. But I'm not holding my breath. I think he will be a really solid depth player. A guy you want on your team. But he doesn't possess the offensive skill sets to be a top 6 player in the NHL. As for MZA, I'll go on record right now and say that there is NO WAY IN HELL that MZA brings back a first round draft pick. I would be completely stunned if that happened and if it did you can guarantee that the GM that did something that stupid will soon be out of a job....

Vic


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:04 pm EST

TDCHI - I see your point about trading SKJEI...but I'm still bullish on him and have a hard time trading him when thinking back to how good he was playing and becoming before last year.I think he will get it back..but when? and can he do it with the Rangers?..I think the first think to do is play him with a defensive D-man like Staal or McQuaid or even Claesson..and not a clusterfuck like Deangelo.....We are on the same page with HAYES...I was about his biggest detractor on here but he changed my mind big time last spring and continues to be a very good team player (and yes, ZBAD is making strides there also this year)..I try to resign him but understand the reasons for dealing...You trade him or ZBAD for futures, you defientely are taking the rebuild long road....We'll see..

Hospo


Mon Dec 10 2018 11:36 am EST

Vic: I concur with TD that it's way too early to declare Andersson a bottom 6 player but that's been your stance since the moment he was selected. I most definitely see more to him than you do but I do understand the concern - he's not one to stickhandle in a phonebooth and leave you breathless with his moves. Then again, neither is Jonathon Toews...

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 11:35 am EST

Didn’t really say anything about the Florida game...but a couple of things stood out to me...the first and foremost being that I think the guy the Rangers should seriously think about moving is Brady SKJEI. He had a rough year last season and he’s played rough this season...but at this point, I think his stock is still pretty high and the return they could get is substantial...it won’t be long until HAJEK is ready for a call up...and I doubt that SMITH, with his contract, is going anywhere...it makes a lot of sense to start asking teams that need D...like Toronto and Edmonton...what they will pony up for a player of his caliber. It could be substantial...the other thought that keeps going through my mind is that the Rangers really need to make a substantive effort to get HAYES under a long-term contract...even if a team like Carolina ponies up a nice haul for him, I’m eeally starting to think that he is, in fact, following a tragectory similar to the one Blake WHEELER did...Wheels was really kind of a disappointment in Boston...enough so that they barely go much of anything for him...he started to get better and better around 25 and hasn’t looked back since. Now I still don’t expect Hayes will break 60 points...but man, he’s really starting to use his size to his advantage...the short-handed goal NAMESTNIKOV had was a perfect example of this: BARKOV couldn’t touch him...couldn’t get near the puck...was just pinned...and Hayes , while pinning him, managed to thread an absolutely sweet pass...I was on the ‘trade Hayes’ bus all last spring and this summer...but at this point, I wouldn’t move him unless either the deal is too good to be true or that his contract demands are just off the charts.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 11:34 am EST

TD: Oh I get your arguments for the MZA return. I do think however, for whatever reason, Nash was viewed in a higher light than MZA, probably due to his size, goal-scoring ability (more in the past I realize) and periodic greatness. I am not saying MZA won't fetch a similar return although I'll be surprised if he does. We'll see I guess - I cannot see him not being traded at some point.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 11:18 am EST

Vic - that’s total nonsense. The Rangers are easing ANDERSSON along and Brooks is doing what he always does, which is stir the pot. If you want to look at Andersson and say he’s a bottom-6 player based on 15 games he’s played almost exclusively on fourth line and largely with a cinderblock tied to his ankle(i.e. iClod), then man, you must have a grim assessment of the guy taken after him...the great Casey MITTELSTADT has registered a whopping nine points in 30 games...largely with top six minutes...so maybe he too is a bottom line player?

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 11:12 am EST

RF4L - sorry, but unless the wheels fall off of ZUCC, he’s going to command a significant haul...and if he doesn’t, then Gorton is a fool. He’s every bit as talented and oh so much more consistent than a guy like NASH, who commanded a decent prospect, a first rounder and a decent roster player. That is where your asking price with Zucc starts. And if a first rounder is not part of the package, then the player they’re including better be a former first rounder. If the Oilers want him, they are gonna need to pony up PULJUJARVI-plus. A team like the Flames? Your looking at Sam BENNETT or Dillon DUBE-plus. Vegas Knights could start with Cody GLASS-plus...Colorado could start with Tyson JOST-plus...but if Pittsburgh thinks they’re gonna get him for pennies, Rutherford better think again...but from the sounds of it, the Pens are considering a retool themselves and are apparently looking to sell...in specific, KESSEL...no idea why they would want Zucc if that’s their situation. So I suspect the jerkoff who wrote that Pittsburgh article is probably jerking off in his parent’s basement.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:52 am EST

Arthur Friedman, the Rangers' longtime statistician, dubbed Mr. Chadwick "The Big Whistle" in 1969, and the nickname stuck....https://www.post-gazette.com/news/obituaries/2009/10/26/Obituary-Bill-Chadwick-Iconic-NHL-official-known-as-The-Big-Whistle/stories/200910260215...This article contains a lot of hockey "history"...First American official, etc., etc....Was not aware that Chadwick played hockey for Fordham under an assumed name...wonder why an assumed name?

RF73


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:51 am EST

From BROOKS' column this morning:......Andersson is No. 50 on your lineup card, but the number most attached to him is 7. The Rangers selected him at that slot in 2017, a pick they acquired from Arizona with Tony DeAngelo in exchange for Derek Stepan and Antti Raanta, but Gorton insisted the organization does not view him through that prism. “We can’t think that way, and we don’t,” Gorton said. “We’re treating Lias like a very good prospect with a very bright future. We’re working to develop him as a 200-foot player who’s going to be a New York Ranger for a long time. “His draft position isn’t part of it. Where he was picked is somewhat irrelevant.”................Yep, that is what you say when start admitting to yourself that the guy you drafted with the #7 overall pick is most likely going to be a bottom 6 player in the NHL. But it isn't like most of the pro scouts were saying that in the first place.....Oh, wait....that's right.....they were. But OTBG knew better.........

Vic


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:13 am EST

For those that don't remember JIM GORDON and BILL CHADWICK here is a youtube clip of the first 8 minutes of a game against the Islanders in 1981. I can guarantee you that I was watching this game. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocyx79ldr2Y) So many great Ranger names from the past. Enjoy....

Vic


Mon Dec 10 2018 10:04 am EST

Rf73 do you know how he got the nickname big whistle? An incomplete post leaves you wide open to being called several names by ........ count the dots

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:35 am EST

This problem with the Rangers is congenital…pointed out eruditely by Bill Chadwick…”Shoot the puck Barry, shoot the puck”…enough said…As an aside re: Chadwick… THE thumbnail obituary tells us that Bill Chadwick died last week at 94. A kid from Manhattan, in 1935 he lost sight in one eye while playing ice hockey. Yet, he would become the NHL’s first U.S.-born referee, introducing hand/arm signals that today are standardized. In 1967, he became a Rangers’ radio analyst, first with Marv Albert — that’s when statistician Arthur Friedman nicknamed Chadwick, “The Big Whistle” — and continued as a Rangers’ TV/radio broadcaster into the 1980s, most often teamed with the late Jim Gordon. End obit. But for those who experienced Chadwick’s on-air work, that’s where it begins. He was a character, a howl, New York hockey’s Phil Rizzuto. And in Chadwick’s world there was no Jim Gordon, the man’s name was “Chim,” “Chim Gordon.” “He wasn’t much for preparation,” said the Rangers’ longtime publicist/archivist, John Halligan, “thus his pregame analysis, nearly every game, was to suggest that war was imminent: ‘These teams do not like each other, Chim.’ ” He was a homer in an odd way, often growing angry, on-air, with the Rangers. He worked without a filter. That made him fun and funny. Of flashy, long blond-haired forward Gene Carr, Chadwick growled: “He couldn’t put the puck in the ocean off a pier, Chim!” And he became famously infuriated when huge defenseman Barry Beck would either dump the puck in or make a cross-ice pass from his position on the point. “Shoot the puck, Barry!” That plaint still follows the mention of Chadwick or Beck to local hockey fans. Of defenseman Carol Vadnais, Chadwick steamed: “Chim, you don’t have to take the puck away from Vadnais, he’ll give it to ya!” “The first game I ever called for the Rangers was as a fill-in on radio for Sal Messina, January 1985, at the Garden,” said Howie Rose. “I was with Chadwick. At the end of the game, still on air, I told Bill that it was a thrill working with him. “I think what he next tried to say was something kind, such as ‘Howie, you’ve got a nice, long career ahead of you and you’re on your way.’ “What he said, though, was this: ‘Howie, you’ve got a long way to go . . . and you’re going fast.” Then there’s this from reader-turned-pal Bill Parrinello: “Years ago, I was going home on the LIRR, when I saw Bill Chadwick sitting alone. I said, ‘Sorry to bother you, Mr. Chadwick, I just want you to know I enjoy your work.’ I intended to move on after that, to leave him alone. “But he invited me to sit next to him. We talked hockey until my stop.”

RF73


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:13 am EST

stevie: I think it's an anomaly but I do agree that this pass first mentality is hurting their offense. MZA epitomizes that style...

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 9:01 am EST

Rf4l I am not sure there is a direct correlation between zucchini and the nyr record with him in or out of the lineup. I really like his leadership abilities but not his nyr pass first mindset that seems to be a team wide affliction. Just how the mighty Quinney is going to change that is a big challenge. It needs to be addressed especially on the pp.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:33 am EST

Koskinen, BTW, was originally drafted by the Islanders, 31st overall...

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:32 am EST

Hitchcock having a positive impact on the Oilers and part of his changes was swapping goalies Mikko Koskinen with Cam Talbot in terms of starter/backup. Koskinen has responded splendidly, getting his 6th shutout at home last night. The Oilers took some criticism when signing him to his 1 year $2,500,000 contract because that was way too much for an NHL unproven backup. Interesting that he's making the naysayers look dumb so far. Can he keep it up? I post this because he and Igor Shestyorkin split the goaltending duties for St Petersburg for 4 years and often when we read about Igor's gaudy netminding statistics over that time we also hear 'yeah but he's playing for a powerful team and therefore, doesn't really get tested much'.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:21 am EST

TD: For some reason the Rangers have performed better (via wins/losses measurement) with MZA out of the lineup this year. He's not gonna fetch much if he doesn't get in a stretch of games soon and produce.

rF4l


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:13 am EST

mf - St. Louis will most likely be a seller at the deadline. Wouldn't be surprised if they have a similar deadline as the Rangers did, in which they move a couple of key players in their lineup...their real problem has been and continues to be their goaltending...and that has got to be blisteringly evident now to folks in the Blues management. They have a strong team, but until they find a guy worthy of being a franchise goalie, they will flounder...so yeah...if there's guy they're going to trade for, it ain't going to be a PP specialist.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 8:06 am EST

If ZUCCARELLO isn't worth AT LEAST a first, then why bother trading him. I would rather lose him for nothing than to get a goddamn second rounder for him. Maybe if you're going to package a pair of seconds and a third or top prospect...the guy has scored more than 100 goals in the NHL. He is a perennial 50-plus point scorer. He is worth AT LEAST a first rounder or the prospect equivalent. And quite frankly, I'd rather the Rangers resign him. Great player. Continues to be a valuable piece of this team, as evidenced by its play with him out of the lineup...you move the guy for a f'ing second rounder, you are losing at life.

tdchi


Mon Dec 10 2018 1:16 am EST

MF.... I hear bundling works. Maybe we can even get some guy named Evan Bouchard.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:37 am EST

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/blackhawks-trying-to-dump-2-players-willing-to-accept-anything-in-exchange?ref=jo&fbclid=IwAR2s4rx9fCxaxkB8SKQAvY2sBin0pojHSNDQa5kvQjPVpFeyepSx2LdNGSc

mf


Mon Dec 10 2018 12:28 am EST

RF: keep moooosing, Shattenkirk "+" to EDMONTON peeks my interest... :->)

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 11:15 pm EST

Nylander's return to the Leafs has been a god send. How has that hold out worked for you Willie.....go cash your next cheque.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 9 2018 10:33 pm EST

From 2012/13 to 2016/17 Shattenkirk played for the Blues under the coaching of Ken Hitchcock. Obviously, the 2 got along and therefore, it makes sense reuniting in Edmonton isn't out of the realm of possibilities. The Oilers could use a PP QB for sure. Just musing here.....

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 9:24 pm EST

The Blues aren't taking Shattenkirk back...Not going to happen...

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 9:21 pm EST

Wild...How do you expect Andersson to be productive on the fourth line?...I honestly believe you read stats and don't watch the games....Staal would bring back a first?....You are delusional...Nobody would go near him and his salary...

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 9:18 pm EST

Wild - yeah, you’re correct. Good. Eff Brodeur.

Limbo


Sun Dec 9 2018 8:05 pm EST

Jess Rubenstein ‏ @TheProspectpark .... Joey Keane has a 1-1-2 game as Barrie wins 4-2. You know Team USA could have a Keane/Miller defensive pairing.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 7:30 pm EST

Craig Morgan ‏ Verified account @craigsmorgan .... John Chayka said G Antti Raanta had a procedure on his injury and the damage was more extensive than originally thought. Possible he could miss the rest of the season. Right now, listing him as out indefinitely.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:51 pm EST

PJ: Anderson is just now starting to show some flashes....DQ will get him ice time when he forces it. You want to move a guy scoring a half point per game right now to the 4th line to move a guy up who is not producing....good thing your not a coach....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:50 pm EST

BRAYDEN SCHENN got Jori Lehtera • 2017 first round pick (#27-Morgan Frost) • 2018 conditional first round pick (Blues have option to defer pick to 2019 if pick is in top 10) (2018 #14-Joel Farabee) • 2020 third round pick (conditional if first round pick in this trade is deferred to 2019) (not exercised). Step got a first (Ranta got Deangelo basically) Zucc can bring a first...he is just 31, and while he isn't quite the player he used to be he is good for 50-60 points....guys like that are getting first round picks...and again, like Staal, I think it would be a late first rounder if it was 1 for 1...but add in something else and you get an early 1st rounder (or possible early first) and a mid level prospect....something like Zucc, a 3rd rounder, and a mid level prospect gets you the Car 1st or the AVS first with a mid level prospect of a different type or a change of scenery type trade for kids.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:43 pm EST

PJ: What would you get for Staal...if he could be traded to any team int he entire NHL...probably a 1st....LOL...he ids a D...team ALWAYS overpay for D...ALWAYS...Holden got Rob O`Gara and a 2018 3rd round pick for goodness sake...no one thought he would be worth that much...Staal? Just his name gets him a 2nd rounder...he has played well this season adding to his value, has been deep int he playoffs add value. He wouldn't get a high first, but a contender looking to bring in a guy to help make sure they dont end up losing a D and having no backup, to have that kind of depth on the backend...yeah, he brings back a late first...nothing else I wouldn't think, but you could get a first from a team thats going to make the playoffs and make a run for the cup. You dont think the AVS would see Staal as an upgrade on their top 6...they would kill for that kind of experience back there...the Ducks as well, they could use some D help. If at the deadline the Oilers are in the postseason I am SURE they would overpay for Staal.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:34 pm EST

Wild...Staal has been there too...What would you get for him?...You think these GM's are idiots?...Maybe a year or two ago but won't get a first round pick this year for Zucc....Strome should be on the 4th line...Andersson should be moved up....

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:26 pm EST

MF: if Shatty cold only have a one team non trade list it would be the AVS...he was not happy about being traded...the team openly ripped him when they traded him....wasnt pretty. I doubt he has the AVS on his approved list in any way shape or form.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:09 pm EST

WC: I'd venture to guess that Shattenkirk would approve Toronto, possibly Edmonton, STL., TBL, Boston, Colorado (although they already have Tyson Barrie), maybe Buffalo, NJ (isn't a far commute), Chicago....

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 5:00 pm EST

mf: Its too bad we cant see the trade lists the players have with the NTC's like Shatty has and others for that matter. Smith has one of those as well and Kreider....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:46 pm EST

STL Blues down 5-0, PIETRANGELO out on LTIR, are they buyers or sellers? SHATTENKIRK is familiar with the City & the Organization, Buyer's Remorse? You can bet I have some, and I'd bet he'd welcome a trade there. SLEGS, Get on the wire and dial them up..... t/y

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:35 pm EST

And Spooner was moved because he doesn't fit the mold for DQ and thats why his points were suffering. He has been a half ppg or so player in the NHL his career....him being less than half that output this year is the anomaly...Strome has been just under a half ppg player his career...save one year....and his style fits with DQs game.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:32 pm EST

PJ: Totally disagree. It takes a certain amount of "been there done that" to go deep. Having a guy on your team that has been in the biggest games and the biggest moments can be huge. GMs always talk about that.....so him being part of deep turns does have value...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:27 pm EST

Good point MF...Many clearance sales anticipated at deadline....

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:26 pm EST

Wild..Zucc's value has nothing to do with past trips to the playoffs...If he comes back and lights it up maybe at the deadline we get a 1 but I doubt it....We will see though as he will be moved...Spooner had a pretty good PPG last year for us too...Why did we get rid of him?...Because like Strome he flashes and that is it....

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:25 pm EST

Speaking of "Suck-fest," Vancouver ahead of STL 4-0..... Singing the Blues in St. Louis....

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:21 pm EST

The Deadline period of time always drives the prices higher. That said this year is a bit of an anomaly in the sense that we have mix of teams vying for the "suck-fest" which are loaded with talent to trade away. A mix which I doubt anyone here anticipated; specifically: LA, Chicago, ST. Louis, NJ, & Filthy..... These teams have what to trade (players) at the deadline to satisfy the demand and compete with us at the Trade Deadline.... For this reason, I'm not adverse to The Rangers making trades earlier.......

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:11 pm EST

PJ: People said the same thing about Nash last year....even "express" thought he would garner a 2nd rounder and a mid level prospect at the most because his downward scoring trend and being a UFA to be. Instead he got a 1st, 7th, a good prospect, and a younger player that was decent (Spooner who was spun into another decent young player)Of course Strome and his half point per game doesn't do anything for you for some reason...but now the return for Nash is: Nash for Beleskey, Strome, Ryan Lindgren, K'Andre Miller, and a 2019 7th...and when the pundits and many here thought he might get a 2nd and a limited prospect....Zucc if he comes back and plays well, being a guy who was part of a team going to the ECF twice and the SCF, along with regular playoff visits just might get a team like the AVS to give MORE than a 1st....dont forget team overpay at the deadline, and battle each other to get guys. Lets not forget Grabner got Yegor Rykov and a 2018 2nd round pick ( that second helped move up to get Miller along with the BOS pick) and Zucc will be looked at as a better player than Grabner by most.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:07 pm EST

Regarding the latest practice lines of 20-93-90... 26-13-16.... 72-21-17.... 39-50-38..Hard to make optimum ines with ZUCC/BUCH out but glad to see ZBAD-HAYES-KREIDER scrapped.....Good for ZBAD to still be playing with some talent..Like HAYES with VESEY..would liek it even more with FAST on the line too

Hospo


Sun Dec 9 2018 4:07 pm EST

Regarding the latest practice lines of 20-93-90... 26-13-16.... 72-21-17.... 39-50-38..Hard to make optimum ines with ZUCC/BUCH out but glad to see ZBAD-HAYES-KREIDER scrapped.....Good for ZBAD to still be playing with some talent..Like HAYES with VESEY..would liek it even more with FAST on the line too

Hospo


Sun Dec 9 2018 3:48 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 1h1 hour ago David Quinn said, of Mats Zuccarello, "I'd be stunned if he plays tomorrow.''

stevielegs


Sun Dec 9 2018 3:33 pm EST

TD... You are conflating the value of a player traded at the deadline as opposed to a player traded the rest of the year round. You will get the most for a player at the trade deadline as long as you have enough bidders interested in him. That and teams get desperate. Everyone wanted Rick Nash last season, it remains to be seen if Zucc will be as popular. Personally, I am more interested in the up and coming player we get back than the level of the draft pick. Meaning, we get a better player /prospect and a lesser pick back. For example, if we could get a Jesse Puljujarvi back, I would jump at it, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 3:32 pm EST

Would be surprised if Zucc fetched a first round pick...Agree on moving Smith...He just doesn't get it....Don't care about the stats...Hayes has been our best all round center....Hate him ZBAD and Kreider on one line...Spread it out...Strome does nothing for me....

PJ


Sun Dec 9 2018 3:27 pm EST

RF4L: The pressure to make a run in the post season is building...the deadline cap space for the AVS will be at nearly 65 mil...if they dont make a good run Sakic will be on the hot seat....I think both first rounders are in play honestly. They are done rebuilding here, they want to win NOW....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 3:10 pm EST

Do the AV's need a LHS Defenseman by any chance? What about ZUCC? I'd move ZUCC to Colorado if OTT"s 1st round pick was coming back

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:51 pm EST

Wild: I'll be shocked if Sakic gives that pick up. He'll probably make his own first available but the bounty that could be had by holding on to the Ottawa pick is potentially too enormous. That said, if it is available, then I'd take that over my proposed Cane return. Here's the thing: I think Sakic would be foolish to give up that pick for what could turn out to be a rental.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:42 pm EST

RF4L: Would you rather the Canes return, or if its possible that OTT first form the AVS? The AVS dont have much prospect wise but that OTT first (especially now its Duchene out for a stretch here) may be a lottery pick and at the very least be a top 10 pick. The Canes could be as well, but something tells me they may end up higher in the standings than OTT...either way the return should be good.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:40 pm EST

opps...Roy is in his 2nd AHL year so not a rookie.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:40 pm EST

Nicolas Roy intrigues me, too, although I know nothing about his skating ability. He's a 6'4" 210 lb winger who put up impressive goal totals as a junior and in 19 AHL games as a rookie has 8 goals and 16 points.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:37 pm EST

So how about both of those kids plus a 2020 second for Hayes and that second becomes a first in 2020 if Hayes resigns there? I guess it depends on how those kids are viewed. Gauthier hasn't been able to crack and Hayden is in and out of it.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:35 pm EST

I remain convinced FWIW, there's a distinct possibility Hayes ends up in Carolina. It just seems logical (assuming Gorton isn't intent first on resigning Hayes) given the Canes shortcoming (offense, especially from the center ice position) and the Canes relatively deep farm system. I like Hayden Fleury a lot and Julien Gauthier intrigues me.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:32 pm EST

Part of the perceived value of MZA is probably due to the lack of games he's played this year. Out of sight, out of mind kinda thing. That said, if there is some truth to Rutherford being interested and he's refusing to part with a first, Gorton simply says 'ok, bye now'. There's no need to trade low at this point - there's tons of time left for the market to heat up. Also seeking offensive help BTW are the Ducks and the Bruins and MZA would fit in nicely for either team. I suspect, however, the Bruins won't be offering their first - 2 years in row with no first is something not many GMs are prepared to do.

rF4l


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:09 pm EST

And incidentally, Pittsburgh’s top asset now that they have divested of Daniel SPRONG just happened to be their first rounder. Their system is a barren wasteland. There’s just nothing there. Couple of middling prospects...absolutely no one I would want in exchange for Zucc.

tdchi


Sun Dec 9 2018 2:02 pm EST

Since when does ZUCCARELLO not “rise to the level” of a first rounder?! Is that f’ing writer on drugs or something?!? Yes. Yes he does rise to the level of a first rounder. If the ghost of Rick NASH is worthy of a first rounder AND a prospect...the Rangers’ top scorer of the past five years is certainly worth that. At bare minimum. I’d say a first and a prospect. That idiot from Pittsburgh can eat a bag of dicks.

tdchi


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:50 pm EST

stevielegs - many moons ago, when YANDLE was still a Ranger, I had suggested that instead of letting him go to free agency, that they resign him and instead deal McDONAGH...and if I recall correctly, there were no real surprises about Yandle’s contract...just playing revisionist history for a moment, think about the domino effect that would have had...first and foremost, the Rangers probably would have gotten MORE than just HOWDEN, the first rounder and HAJEK and NAMESTINKOV...it at least that same haul without having to add in MILLER. Also would have meant no SHATTENKIRK...and above all, they wouldn’t have essentially lost YANDLE for nothing...it would have put YANDLE in the proper place to be the Rangers’ top PPQB...I’m not a big YANDLE fan...never liked the guy’s game on D...but I kind of wonder now what the Rangers would look like having moved McD when he had time remaining on his contract and when he was positively at the top of his game...they probably could have gotten a KARLSSON-sequel haul...and at this point, the Rangers could be exploring a move of YANDLE at the deadline for a nice haul.

tdchi


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:41 pm EST

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/flames .... Anyone have a pulse on what position CALGARY may be looking for / need in terms of trade? In the article RHET posted SAM BENNETT is once again listed as trade fodder.... BENNETT would be a great acquisition, especially if your expectations are 3rd line talent with 2nd line possibilities in certain circumstances.... Take a look at the depth that our lower 6 would include: VESEY, STROME, "BENNETT", ANDERSSON..... (IMO) Any combination of "2" can cover for a guy like NAMESTNIKOV on their line. Any combination of 2 can mesh with a guy like FAST on their line (Thanks to FAST being FAST) We need to fleece Calgary and get this kid......

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:27 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 1h1 hour ago At Rangers practice at Amalie Arena, DQ is not messing around. He wants crisp passes - “no lazy, half-ass passes,” he says. And Kevin Hayes is wearing a white jersey, while Mika Zibanejad and Chris Kreider are in blue.

stevielegs


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:23 pm EST

Rangers should trade BRENDAN SMITH asap.... Get a 2nd round pick, and get his Cap Hit off the books.... We've more than enough ample bodies to fill a LHS D position....

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:09 pm EST

That article says Zucc won't raise to the level of a 1st round pick...ummm...I think he will. When multiple teams fighting for the same playoff position see a chance to get him, they will be trying to outbid each other. Say the Canes look at hime as well...the could bump the Pens out of a wildcard spot, or lets say the Habs want to add depth...same thing, the Islanders even, or CBus...all those teams could make life hard onto e pens making the post season. Redwings are another team that will be fighting there along with the Sens and perhaps the Panthers all depending on how the next stretch of games goes for each team. I could easily see one of those teams trying to take a shot at the post season and making some noise from a wildcard spot coughing up a first for Zucc...especially if they think it will be a later in the round first rounder.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:03 pm EST

Bob: " if they can get something..." They will get significant returns for most of those guys you listed there. Nam is a young skilled guy starting to get comfortable again on the ice and showing it. Cleason is a young D that has played really well this season. Zucc...he will get a big return, he has played in the SCF and gets your team a season average 50 points.....I am hoping that you dont mean they wouldn't get good returns, or be able to be traded rather easily.....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 1:00 pm EST

Limbo: No Marty only played 4 games in his first season.....so he could not reach 10 wins. Thats the catch...not first full season, but first season. Hank played 53 and had 30 wins.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:58 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... OK, looks like the lines are: ...20-93-90... 26-13-16.... 72-21-17.... 39-50-38.... D pairs are same as usual. Smith and McQuaid (red jersey) make up fourth pair ....MF.... Maybe. It's still early and still a little tough to gauge right now.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:57 pm EST

Hot off the press...Defenseman K'Andre Miller has as many points as Wahlstrom, Farabee, and O'Brien combined... 3 NCAA forwards who were drafted ahead of him....

Hospo


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:54 pm EST

Stat Boy ‏ @StatBoy_Steven 29m29 minutes ago Defenseman K'Andre Miller has as many points as Wahlstrom, Farabee, and O'Brien combined... 3 NCAA forwards who were drafted ahead of him. #NYR

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:49 pm EST

Rhet: I was hoping that ZUCC would fetch us a 1st round pick in return... PITT still has theirs (https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/) but perhaps they have an acceptable prospect to include....

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:45 pm EST

Defenseman K'Andre Miller has as many points as Wahlstrom, Farabee, and O'Brien combined... 3 NCAA forwards who were drafted ahead of him. #NYR @kandre_miller

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:32 pm EST

The Pens might be interested in reuniting Zuccarello and Brassard... https://pittsburghhockeynow.com/pittsburgh-penguins-trade-candidates-middle-line-wingers/

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:27 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... At Rangers practice at Amalie Arena, DQ is not messing around. He wants crisp passes - “no lazy, half-ass passes,” he says. And Kevin Hayes is wearing a white jersey, while Mika Zibanejad and Chris Kreider are in blue.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:02 pm EST

Sounds like Elliot has been paying around with the TRADERATOR...... MCLoed? What about the Litmus, Clarrisse?

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 11:43 am EST

Most NHL trade talk going through 8 teams .... according to Elliotte Friedman, these are the eight teams most eager to make a move.... “Just asking around, the teams that seem to be at the centre of a lot of these conversations: L.A, Philly, Minnesota, Boston, Pittsburgh, Florida, St. Louis, and Chicago,” said Friedman during Saturday’s Headlines on Hockey Night in Canada. “All for different reasons, but those seem to be the most active teams and anything that’s kind of happening around the league is kind of flowing through them.”

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 11:24 am EST

Agree with Hospo here. I suspect that this roster will look a lot different after the deadline. Nothing wrong with keeping McLeod around. He clearly adds some leadership or he would not have been re-signed. My list of guys I would like to see moved begins with Brendan Smith. If they can get something for Namestnikov, Beleskey, Claesson, Zuccarello, fine. Go for it. As for Hayes.......I suspect that will be a bigger deal than a deadline dump off unless they decide to give him a new deal in January.

Bob


Sun Dec 9 2018 11:07 am EST

STEVIE - I keep MCleod up all year.even if as a 14th forward/locker room guy and insurance when play gets rougher in February and March and Ice Capade games like last night are less and less..Both will be more impirtatn if the Rangers decide to trade off VETS for future picks and prospects....Worth more to the Rangers now--even if mostly in the lOcker room than any other team...

Hospo


Sun Dec 9 2018 10:36 am EST

Wild - you are correct in your skepticism on that goalie stat. Uncle daddy did it too.

Limbo


Sun Dec 9 2018 9:49 am EST

Stevielegs: might be worth using a conditioning stint for him, let him go down and apply well there, McLeod that is, and then try to spin him into a late round pick...with how he played early this year I am sure there are teams that wouldn't mind his veteran grit in the lineup. Or if Beleskey keeps playing this well he may be trade-able....he has a not terrible cap hit now at 1.9 per with next year as well. I cant imagine he would be resigned after next year anyway, so if he can get a better return, I would shop him...again if he keeps up the good play.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 8:39 am EST

Beleskey got the Broadway hat... iCloud might have to go to Hartford....unless the mighty Quinney decides differently... or fishcap...

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 9 2018 8:29 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/12/08/nhls-willful-disregard-for-broken-playoff-system-getting-ridiculous/

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 9 2018 6:32 am EST

Rhet: staring your equipment was a problem is not lame. Unless of course you also say that it’s lame to say your stick breaking lead to a shot going wide and that it’s lame to actually tell the truth rather than some throw back make up a story lie that athletes love so much....and only ignorant fans. If his equipment caused a problem, it caused a problem. End of story. He was asked what happened and he gave a truthful answer....you would rather he play the tough guy role and say “I should have had it no excuse” and basically feed you some line of ignorant BS. Modern athletes are intelligent and understand that it’s not always on them....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:24 am EST

Is that what she said?

mf


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:07 am EST

WILD.... Your correlations are ridiculous. Blaming your equipment for the quality of your game is weak and lame.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:04 am EST

Following K’Andre Miller’s two-point game tonight, here’s how he compares to other defensemen selected in the first round at this point of their freshman year in the NCAA. #NYR ....Points After 18 GP.... Miller 17... Werenski 15... Matheson 14.... Trouba 13.... McAvoy 9.... Hanifin 8

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 9 2018 12:04 am EST

Rhet: that’s just stupid. That’s like not saying when asked that a player screened you, or tipped a shot, or that the puck bounced off the ice strange. Yeah you choose to use the pads, but they can still be the reason you missed a shot....pretending that’s not true is like saying a goalie shouldn’t mention their glove tearing and the puck going through the pocket....or anshooter not mentioning that their stick snapped as they went to shoot at the open net. It’s right up there with the stupidity of “next man up” in sports...as if the “next man” could just step in and replace Crosby, or McDavid...it’s this old school brainless tough athlete crap. New pads can be the reason a goalie lets in a shot...hence why he said he may go back to the old ones, because he wasn’t as ready to use the new ones as he thought, or they “act” in a way he doesn’t like. It’s a reason....thus worth talking about.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 11:58 pm EST

WILD.... No one forces you to use those pads. You make the decision you live with the results. IMO, you don't even mention it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 11:54 pm EST

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/rumor-leafs-have-put-multiple-pieces-in-play-in-a-bid-to-get-alex-pietrangelo?ref=jo&fbclid=IwAR2_2Lfe09eJBj0jU5E1kuFp518qMnbja5veKYBfY5mYa9kNBXqLXatTfHA

mf


Sat Dec 8 2018 11:53 pm EST

Rhet: I wouldn’t automatically say excuse. New pads can be a reason. Goalies tend to have difficulty breaking in new gear. Glove, blocker, pads, helmet....it can change things just a tiny bit, and a tiny bit is all it takes for a goal. Sometimes it’s just a feel thing, they over move because they are not used to the feel of the new stuff.....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 11:11 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... David Quinn on how he liked Kevin Hayes on the wing: "I thought early on the line played well. They didn’t have a great second and third period, but you could say that for our team in general, so after the film I’ll have a better feel of what they look like.''

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 11:08 pm EST

Excuses??? ....per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Henrik Lundqvist said he was wearing new pads, and he just couldn't get comfortable. "For a month, I’ve been working on these new pads; I finally decide to switch to new pads and this is what happens (laugh). So we’ll see. We might go back to the old pads for the next game.''

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:56 pm EST

"Henrik Lundqvist earned his 10th win of the season. He has earned 10 or more wins in 14 different seasons (all of his 14 seasons in the NHL/with #NYR), and he is one of two goalies in NHL history who have earned 10 or more wins in each of their first 14 seasons (Chris Osgood)." Ok....am I the only one who is surprised that there have now been just 2 goalies to have just 10 wins in their first 14 seasons? I mean, I know a lot of guys dont get enough game sin their first season to even get to 10...but you would think back in the day there would have been a few...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:54 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... #NYR scored on all three of their shootout attempts tonight, marking the fourth time in franchise history that the Blueshirts have taken three shootout attempts in a game and scored on all of them. The last time the Rangers accomplished this feat was on Mar. 17, 2009 at MTL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:47 pm EST

In no measurable metric is Hayes the number 1 center. Z has more 5 on 5 points, more PP points and more SH points. Zbad has more ice time per game 19:43 vs 19:12, more 5 on 5 ice 15:12 vs 15:04, more PP 2:52 vs 2:11 (Hayes still gets substantial PP ice time but 6 less points) Hayes only gets more SH ice, 1:58 vs 1:39. Z has more shots 92 to 65. Face-off 51.9 to 49.2 for Z. Z even has more hits, and blocked shots 25 to 6. The one thing Hayes does is flashy...he is more flashy when he has the puck and when he is not he ice...it gives the impression that he is out there more and doing more...but the reality is Zbad is out there a bit more and does more with his ice time....ZBad is the top center on the team....Doesnt mean Hayes isn't good, and isn't playing well...but I dont think you give Hayes a bigger payday than Zbad....and by a million or more over what ZBad makes. Thats the big question. If Hayes will take closer to the money Z is getting (5.35 per) then he may be worth signing...well be worth signing IMHO, but if he sets his demands at closer to that 6.5 mil per range, or with his season he is having look to get 6.75-7 mil per and thats not out of the question not he open market if he keeps playing like this, its not the right move for the team to make....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:30 pm EST

WILD... You would think so, but apparently things don't work that way??

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:28 pm EST

K'Andre Miller tallied two points (one goal, one assist) in Wisconsin's 3-0 win tonight. He has recorded eight points (two goals, six assists) in the last five games and 17 points (four goals, 13 assists) in 18 games this season.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:28 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller tallied two points (one goal, one assist) in Wisconsin's 3-0 win tonight. He has recorded eight points (two goals, six assists) in the last five games and 17 points (four goals, 13 assists) in 18 games this season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:23 pm EST

WILD - around the paint becasue everybody left ihm alone while focusing on Stamkos and the oter winger!! :) ..Either way, I really dont care anymre what he did in TB....Just want to see him do it more in NY than he has so far..all that matters..More liek tonight would be great

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:21 pm EST

Now that’s from NHL.com....not sure if that includes tonight’s game or not. But still

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:20 pm EST

Rhet: So Zbad has been out against the other teams top lines, with less skilled wings....but his having 2 more points off the PP...1 more 5 on 5 (Z has 8 more points, 6 more on the PP and 1 more short handed) and that means Hayes is the top center? So Zbad has less to work with 5 on 5 and is out against the other teams top line and he is scoring as much as Hayes who doesn’t go out against the top lines and has better linemates....sounds to me like that makes Zbad the better player.....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:20 pm EST

RHET - Recap what???? ANyway..One important thing you left out is that BOTH HAYES and ZABD have really taken to and listened to DQ, and have become better two-way players that help the team so much more..Hats off to both of them

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:16 pm EST

Brothers from another mother.... https://twitter.com/RNYRF/status/1071603370945855488

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:15 pm EST

HOSPO: Not sure who you were watching in Tampa...but this video of his one seasons goals....for most of them he is right around the blue paint...https://youtu.be/3EC_iNKz9q8

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:14 pm EST

Did anyone ever notice how much SHATTENKIRK and CLAESSON look alike. It's eerie.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:12 pm EST

Nyr did the best to not get any points and got 2 tonight... hanky was shaky on the easier shots...

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:12 pm EST

So to recap... Hayes has played predominantly with the 2 most talented NYR forwards; Z-BAD has mostly played with 2 checking forwards. Z-Bad usually plays against the opposition's best lines... Z-Bad is still leading the team in scoring, but that's only because he get's more PP minutes.... every good games Hayes has had, he's clearly the #1 center on the team. Anything I missed?

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:02 pm EST

Geez....Shattenkirk is the new Zucc when it comes to shoot-outs...……...

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:01 pm EST

Dickaletti played for sather when he was the coach for Edmonton. It's always politics. Sather SUKS

Vcp1994


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:01 pm EST

JAKE - I dont know..He's played alot of good games this yer as the Rangers best center..Did use his body more tonight as a wing...

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:58 pm EST

Funny that the Rangers are much like the Panthers of the last few years in getting all these extra Buttman points. Not really playing well enough to win in regulation but staying relevant with a ton of OT/shootout points to pad the misleading total.

NYStranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:58 pm EST

Jake: Agree....the first period was his best period I think...he tailed off a bit as the game went on but was still solid...save that error when he kind of was in no mans land on that late goal in the 2nd...but again, I think he reverted to what he would have done as a center and he an ZBad where in the same area...not unexpected, you react when you play, and he has played almost all center the last few seasons, so its not shocking he would make an error like that.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:57 pm EST

Hayes had nobody to pass to in shootout

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:57 pm EST

HAYES matching ZBAD! DQ putting them both front and center

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:56 pm EST

That was only the 5th career shootout attempt by Hayes....WTF? Really?

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:55 pm EST

Hayes best game of the year

Jake0104


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:55 pm EST

WILD - Not how i rmember him in TB..but no mtter..he needs to do more of that

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:55 pm EST

Holy cannoli

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:55 pm EST

Shattenkirk scores!

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:54 pm EST

Sweet move by ZBAD and great save by Henrik

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:54 pm EST

Barkov was weak.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:54 pm EST

SCORE Z-BAD!

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:54 pm EST

Nice Zbad

Jake0104


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:54 pm EST

Hospo: That is how he played in Tampa....he was always scoring from in close turning in front sometimes with, sometimes without the puck. He was always in front when Stamkos was out there....have been waiting to see him bering that game to the ice as a Ranger.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:53 pm EST

Not sure how sog in ot were 4-3 nyr ... guess I have double or triple vision

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:53 pm EST

win the SO or not..cant say I'm a fan of the ZBAD-HAYES-KREIDER line..No fault of any of the players..just rather have them on different lines

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:53 pm EST

Still not a Name beliver but he played well tonight

Jake0104


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:52 pm EST

Ptthhhsst! Micheletti...what a douch

NYStranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:51 pm EST

Right No Goal Call..but still a real good power move by Namestnikov..Surprised me!

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:51 pm EST

Yeah...got his hand a bit....would have gone in anyway I think, don't think he was trying to swat it in so much as it happened....still a great move by Namestnikov...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:51 pm EST

Valiant effort by Name.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:49 pm EST

There will be a review.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:48 pm EST

HENRIK

Jake0104


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:46 pm EST

Oh VC

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:45 pm EST

Hayes always worries me 3 on 3... he doesn't have the speed to recover from the offensive zone.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:25 pm EST

I'm really getting to despise Micheletti

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:22 pm EST

RHET - True, it was a team wide screw up...The ZBad-HAYES-KRIED line might have the Rangers top skill..but the cheemistry aint there yet....LAZY penalty by ZBAD

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:21 pm EST

Way to go ZBAD

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:18 pm EST

E - Disagree totally..YYes, it would be nice to have better..and maybe we eventually will..but, as they are, A Belesky and a Macleod play a good role on a team like the Rangers

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:12 pm EST

Watching the review of the Ekblad goal: it's real easy to blame SKJEI and DEANGELO for that goal but you had 2-3 NYR forwards standing around doing nothing but watching.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:11 pm EST

HOSPO as much as I loathe the quality of the likes of Beleskey and McLeod at least Beleskey can play hockey. McLeod is just a knuckle dragged. Need a better Beleskey and not a better McLeod.

E


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:09 pm EST

claesson with a laser! he and Staal are playing well

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:08 pm EST

If you watch the replay, Zbad and Hayes both went to the same area of the ice...have to wonder if that was Hayes kind of in the moment forgetting he was a wing and did the centers job.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:06 pm EST

Yeah, lets put that ast goal not he defensive pair...even though it was a Dman who scored, coming in from the point meaning a Forward should have had him there. Skjei initially stopped the pucks forward momentum, then chipped it off a forwards stick, then low and behold a player who should have been covered by a forward is left to skate in all alone....but hey, put it not eh D pair, because they are supposed to cover all 5 attacking players.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:57 pm EST

Nice to see an immediate impact for Nylander on the Leafs…….loss to Det and down 3-0 after two against the Bruins...………...

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:51 pm EST

Sorry that was referring to Yandle...

NYStranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:50 pm EST

Stevie: plus nothing like giving up picks and prospects then don't sign the guy because the dopy coach refuses to utilize him properly...that trade and then the Staal trade really hurt after giving up the stupid ransom for St Louis. Nothing new but it stings and a big part of why this 're tool' by the tools in charge will suck more than it should.

NYStranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:49 pm EST

Yep..cluster fuck or FIre drill..happens too often tyhis year with Deangleo or Skjei on rhe ice...BAD period..only the 4th line played well

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:47 pm EST

Chinese fire drill

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:46 pm EST

Defensive cluster fuck

RF73


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:38 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Matt Beleskey became the 22nd different player to tally a goal with #NYR in their first 29 games this season. The Rangers are one of three NHL teams that have had 22 or more players register a goal thus far this season (Vancouver and Nashville).

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:28 pm EST

C'mon Andersson, put your butt into it!

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:23 pm EST

GOOAAALLL!!!!!!!!! Matt

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:22 pm EST

Good play by the entire 4th line...BELSEKY..the new Cody Mcleod??? :)

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:21 pm EST

Fogerty another guy having a really good game....best Ive seen him play in the NHL for sure

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:21 pm EST

That was a sweet goal by MB

tradestar28


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:21 pm EST

Beleskey from pos piece of Shea

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:20 pm EST

Hank looks like he is ready for his hissy fit

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:19 pm EST

Ugh..Two weak goals by The KIng...And god I hate the way Deangelo plays

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:19 pm EST

Hanky still in the locker room?

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:17 pm EST

Henrik sucks tonight.....almost as much as Potvin on the goddamn broadcast here

tradestar28


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:17 pm EST

Piece of Shea

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:15 pm EST

26 points

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:12 pm EST

Handle with a blast

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:12 pm EST

Great penalty staalsie

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:08 pm EST

Stevie....He was one of my favorite players when he was a ranger

rangerlou


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:03 pm EST

Who needs yandle with 25 points 17 on the pp, when Captain Kirk has 8 points !

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 8:00 pm EST

RHET ANd to add, I hope to hell not!..NEWFIE - Cant be as bad as the nauseating propaganding Dickaletti

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:59 pm EST

RHET - WAs thinking the same...1st line..1st PP..top 2 Pk..Then again, he has generally been Quinns top Center over the past month also..

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:58 pm EST

Rhea: Thats my other thought...and if that's what they are doing...well his value went up with that period. If he plays the entire game like that I imagine the phone will be ringing a lot the next few days. They have another 4 day break next week....that would be a good time to make a trade, give DQ a couple days to start integrating a new player be it a call up or a trade return.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:57 pm EST

Very good period of hockey for the boys.I'm getting the FLA feed and listening to Dennis Potvin is not like finger nails on a blackboard it's more like Black Sabbath trying to play Mozart. Did I ever tell you how much I hate Dennis Potvin ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:54 pm EST

Just my gut speaking, but it feels like the NYR are showcasing HAYES.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:52 pm EST

Think that may have been the best most complete period I have ever seen Hayes play. Good at both ends, skated with authority and power, speed I have not seen with him before (he has clearly been working on his stride) and he wasn't over passing, or over shooting. Was making passes that were there ant not trying to force things.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:51 pm EST

That was a heckava good period. This coach might be a keeper.

Jake0104


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:48 pm EST

Hayes both outskated Barkov and used the bod to hold him off.. IN SHOCK... GREAT PLAY!

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:48 pm EST

Another good play by Hayes..good finish By Namestnikov..

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:38 pm EST

Starting to see more of Andersons skill...he is really good at making accurate elevated passed. Its really impressive to see how many he has had just in this first period....3 or 4 at least.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:30 pm EST

Hospo: I think that this might be a little bit of seeing is Hayes is worth seeing around as a wing. Its no secret that the Rangers will need more on the wings with Zucchini likely moved. With the kids at center there will not be room for him to play there he would need to at C, so if he can show something as a top wing perhaps they keep him. I still think its worth calling the AVS and try to get that OTT first rounder. The AVS have been connected to Hayes in a couple rumors...not sure if there is anything more than " he fits" to that...but its obviously something to look at.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:26 pm EST

The refs need to re-read the interference rule...its not about who goes down. The puck is going UP the ice, Kreider is going UP the ice along the boards, the Panthers player is going laterally and DOWN the ice, moved in front of Kreider, and its Kreider who interferes with the FLA player? Kreider was slowed down by a player moving into his only option for skating, right up the boards...what could he had done stopped, said "excuse me sir I am sorry that I am skating in the place you decided to move into"

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 7:21 pm EST

HAYES and ZBAD on the same line and Kreider? Hey, whatever works..Good shoft by Hates and ZBAD in front of th net as he should be..Zbad finally playing with some guys with talent again...

Hospo


Sat Dec 8 2018 6:49 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 1h “You got to practice hard. Until I get a memo from the league that the other teams aren’t going to compete and hit, we’re going to do it in practice.” #NYR Coach Quinn on this week’s prep for the upcoming games.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 5:50 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... DQ, in pregame, said the @NYRangers called up Schneider to be insurance in case Vlad Namestnikov (who is coming off concussion protocol) has any issues. Schneider will warm up, DQ said. That likely means Mats Zuccarello is out tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 5:39 pm EST

So has Boo snow turned into a boo boo?

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:55 pm EST

In the Wolfpack game I just attended Schneider demonstrated blazing speed - so he could be an interesting addition.

Ranger47


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:43 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... (in regard to Schneider)... As a precaution in case a forward can't go...

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:30 pm EST

E: Well the Devils started their rebuild a couple years before the Rangers. They are just one years average age younger than the Rangers, and that was before Anderson was recalled...so they might be slightly under that one year difference. Also, other than their top pick they had, what young guy is far and away better than the Rangers young guys?

Wildcard


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:28 pm EST

Good for the kid.... per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Rangers have called up forward Cole Schneider.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:22 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/12/08/mats-zuccarello-better-to-be-safe-than-sorry/

mf


Sat Dec 8 2018 2:18 pm EST

Well, "you can take the man out of Jersey, but..........." :->) "Let's Go Rangers!"

mf


Sat Dec 8 2018 12:05 pm EST

RangerProud ‏ @RangerProud .... #NYR Kravtsov proving to the world he was right pick for Blueshirts.... https://elitesportsny.com/2018/12/08/new-york-rangers-prospects-report-vitali-kravtsov-unstoppable/

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 8 2018 10:56 am EST

Just was thinking to myself that if the NJD scored Hughes they’d be looking at turning into a contender before us. Because unlike some of the tools running the show in Edmonton or Buffalo that are awarded annually for their crappy play the NJD do have a GM that knows what he’s doing. And he’s methodically building a winner. Even if it doesn’t look that way right now. They are restocking and frankly further along on the rebuild then the New York Rangers. That is at least on the youth side. When it comes to the in the prime players the New York Rangers have more talent. But I really think the NJD will turn from loser to winner quicker then most expect. Give them Hughes? Then they just have to marinate.

E


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:45 am EST

Devils 28th overall - reality sucks, doesn't it?

rF4l


Sat Dec 8 2018 9:14 am EST

Any team that drafts and develops well, to the extent they have several high end players, eventually faces cap hell. It's life in a hard cap world. I hope the Rangers face that issue soon!!!

rF4l


Sat Dec 8 2018 3:55 am EST

RF73: Not sure what you are talking about. This is a team that went to the ECF multiple times and the SCF. They were for that stretch in a group of 3 teams that had been to the 2nd round more than twice over the time frame (I think it was 8 years but I can't remember) They were one of the winningest teams in the NHL for multiple seasons...yet you think they cant be successful player wise due to the cap? Who would they spend the extra cap space on anyway? You think there are just a bunch of players sitting around looking for that big contract that will bring the cup to NY? Don't forget part fo the rangers cap ht this year is 4+ mil in IR player (season totals) Beleskey (who they took because they had cap space to get a deal done) Giradi buy out, and Spooner retention to get rid of him and bring in Strome. With all that they still will have just over 1 mil in cap space with all those guys on the cap for the entire season. Conversely the AVS have less than half the mount in IR, buyout and retention. Would you want to be the AVS? Likely yes...they are playing amazing....but guess what....even with the cap going up next season they will be in cap hell...The current NHL leading scorer is a RFA after this season...they have a bunch of other RFA and only a couple guys coign off the books...including their starting goalie who they will have to resign or replace. Teams that are good teams tend to have limited cap space unless they are like the Leafs and have some of their top guys still on ELC's...but eventually they will be in cap hell.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 7 2018 5:37 pm EST

Rhet: Is The TRADERATOR hovering over Florida?

mf


Fri Dec 7 2018 5:16 pm EST

Earlier report on Chicago has been clarified, they are looking to deal their DEPTH defensemen. Big difference there.... per Spector's Hockey ‏ @SpectorsHockey .... Report: Chicago Blackhawks trying to move depth defensemen

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 7 2018 5:15 pm EST

TD.... Fox wanted no part of playing for Calgary and they knew it. I can't imagine he'd be much happier playing for Carolina, which some may call the U.S. version of Calgary or Calgary 2.0.... I think he's be more amenable to being traded to the NYR and forego the college FA route. JMO, of course.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 7 2018 5:08 pm EST

Rhet0ric - LOVES me some FOX...can’t believe Calgary moves him and I can only hope that it’s because he intimated that he might go free agent. I thought for sure he’d sign after last season. Had a very strong WJC for Team USA...going back to a Decent Harvard team, but not one I see winning a championship this year...pure speculation, but maybe that’s why he ended up in that deal...a player could do far worse than getting a degree from Harvard and then playing the open market...just ask VESEY and KERFOOT...wouldn’t be surprised if he follows suit...but I’d also feel a heck of a lot more comfortable if he were Ranger property.

tdchi


Fri Dec 7 2018 5:02 pm EST

RF4L - not sure why the Hawks ‘shopping a defenseman’ says they’re embracing a full rebuild...in fact, I would take that as meaning they’re gonna try to trade SEABROOK or KEITH...maybe both...which would be a great way for them to clear cap space so they can add an impact player...I think Chicago is looking at the Bruins much in the same way the Rangers did and seeing that they DON’T need to liquidate their roster to get back on the path to contention...rather they decide what the core is and build around it...clearly, Seabrook and Keith are no longer core players...and they eat A TON of cap...if there is a time to trade either, it’s now. They’re both players that can contribute on a contender. And if a team like Toronto could get one on their blue line...say if the Hawks ate some salary...they might bite just to have that kind of player...also, I don’t think you’d see a deal like the STROME-SCHMALTZ deal if they were looking at a protracted spell in the basement...but allow me to impart a couple of other rumors ...one that support this position...the other that is dynamical oposite...there were a lot of rumors that PANARIN could be set for a return to Chicago...and that says to me they’re not ready to throw in the towel this season or next. Along those lines, they have a VERY good D prospect pool...hence the desire to get rid of a few oldsters...the second rumor is, however, that KANE is in play...and that they’ve had ongoing talks with the Sabres about Buffalo bringing back its prodigal son...

tdchi


Fri Dec 7 2018 4:12 pm EST

IMO, you put Shattenkirk back on the #1 PP to get his numbers back up and then you trade him. You know, get the most value for him. Crazy, I know.... "Rangers, Shattenkirk at Unintended Crossroads".... Why the veteran defender might be better off traded.... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/12/7/18128399/new-york-rangers-and-kevin-shattenkirk-are-at-an-unintended-crossroads

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 7 2018 4:03 pm EST

Rhet: Looks like the Hawks are gonna embrace a rebuild. We'll see though because a lot of their worthy assets are high-priced and won't be easy to move.

rF4l


Fri Dec 7 2018 2:39 pm EST

Damn you Chicago!!!! ...per Scott Powers ‏ Verified account @ByScottPowers .... Source: Blackhawks shopping defensemen to create space

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 7 2018 2:27 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Nico Gross has been named to Switzerland’s roster for the 2019 IIHF World Junior Championship. Gross will be playing in the tournament for the third time.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 7 2018 1:54 pm EST

mf - whatever the reality...they have little or no room...hard to operate successfully (player wise) with your back to the wall (cap wise).

RF73


Fri Dec 7 2018 1:24 pm EST

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

mf


Fri Dec 7 2018 1:09 pm EST

RF73: The way to build a winning team is to build your roster around players that produce at a far higher rate then their salary cap hit. This is a big part of the reason why young superstars help teams win Cups and old superstars don't. This is also why in most cases it is far better to deal a player away too soon (mid to late 20s) rather then pay him market value on a big contract as the Rangers did with HANK, GIRARDI, STAAL, etc. The Rangers have always done the opposite and it is a big reason why they haven't won a Cup since the salary cap came into the league. The Rangers tried to build their team around older UFA big contract guys like GOMEZ, DRURY, REDDEN, RICHARDS, GABORIK, etc. Guys who could never produce anywhere near what they were being paid. And all but GABORIK never came close. That left little money to round out the roster with guys who had to produce in order for the team to win. And as soon as the Rangers had some young guys starting to produce they went and traded them away for more aging expensive players like NASH. The Rangers are always in cap Hell because they build the core of their team around their most expensive players who can no longer produce at the level they used to and are massively overpaid. Instead of building around young, inexpensive players that far exceed in production what they are getting paid, while rounding out the roster with veteran depth players who can provide leadership but aren't expected to carry the team and aren't paid like they should either.

Vic


Fri Dec 7 2018 1:03 pm EST

That site even has Beleskey at 3.8 million....ummm....did they not get the memes....Bos retained a bunch, his cap hit for the Rangers is 1.9 mil....wow....just a little screw up

Wildcard


Fri Dec 7 2018 1:01 pm EST

RF73: sorry the arrangers are not even at the cap.....let alone over it. That site must be one of those that doesn’t understand the cap at all...and counts the full season cap hits of all players. The Rangers currently have 1.6 mil in cap space. There are teams that sit at zero cap space and are using LTIR in order to dress a full roster. That site you are speaking of must not add the actual cap hits and just use the season long cap hit regardless of how many days a player has been up

Wildcard


Fri Dec 7 2018 12:23 pm EST

Stumbled onto the Spotrac site…Quickly came to the understanding that the Rangers are dead last in the league at Cap management…they are currently $400K over the max…and it’s only that number because they sent Georgiev down otherwise that overage would increase by another $300K…They are Cap bunglers...Instead of putting the best players on the ice they make moves / can only bring up players that minimize how much $$$ they are over the Cap max…As an example, when you are paying a guy like Beleskey, who many on here consider a bum, $3.8M (4.67% cap hit) and it’s hard to even get him in the lineup…And let’s not forget our superstar Brady Skjei taking up $5.25M (6.57% cap hit)…And the Shattenkirk “hometown discount” of $6.65 (8.32% cap hit)…Add to that the $3.6M cap hit for Girardi (4.52% cap hit)…Was anybody thinking of the impact when they put this team together?...How are you supposed to put the most competitive team on the ice when you spend your day only figuring out how to stay under the cap max? How do these other teams have multiple superstars and are still millions of $$$ under the max? Maybe because they are not overpaying "marginal" players? Cap space by team: 1. Arizona Coyotes, 18.6M; 2. Carolina Hurricanes, 17.1M; 3. New Jersey Devils 14.1M; 4. Colorado Avalanche 10.6M; 5. New York Islanders 10.4M; 6. Anaheim Ducks 8.8M; 7. Vancouver Canucks 8.7M; 8. Ottawa Senators 8.2M; 9. Philadelphia Flyers 7.9M; 10. Montreal Canadiens 7.8M; 11. Nashville Predators 5.9M; 12. Dallas Stars 5.6M; 13. Columbus Blue Jackets 5.3M; 14. Winnipeg Jets 5.1M; 15. Pittsburgh Penguins 5.0M; 16.Edmonton Oilers 4.4M; 17. St Louis Blues 3.5M; 18. Boston Bruins 3.0M; 19. Toronto Maple Leafs 2.9M; 20. Chicago Blackhawks 2.9M; 21. Minnesota Wild 2.4M; 22. Vegas Golden Knights 2.2M; 23. Florida Panthers 2.2M; 24. Los Angeles Kings 1.7M; 25. Tampa Bay Lightning 1.4M; 26. Detroit Red Wings 1.3M; 27. Washington Capitals 932K; 28. San Jose Sharks 798K; 29. Buffalo Sabres 530K; 30. Calgary Flames -152K; 31. New York Rangers -412K

RF73


Fri Dec 7 2018 10:31 am EST

I've been musing about Hayes going to the Canes since the summer. It's a logical fit IMO.

rF4l


Fri Dec 7 2018 10:11 am EST

Kravtsov will join the Pack on an ATO when his KHL season ends so he doesn't need to be protected for the Seattle Shuttlecock expansion draft.

rF4l


Fri Dec 7 2018 10:04 am EST

Fake news from an irrefutable osurce for you prospect and rebuild freaks........Igor Eronko ?@IgorEronko. Vitali Kravtsov is going to join the #NYR when Traktor's season is over ...................https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/report-rangers-top-prospect-kravtsov-set-to-make-nhl-debutref=trevor&fbclid=IwAR2qKw3DgUGZFtcCZV5eUzlzAaE_8U83e9lmSH_b_sNS-5eYtPmLrNb_CkA......

Hospo


Fri Dec 7 2018 12:44 am EST

TD... I totally forgot about Adam Fox! I agree with you. I don't know if they'd want Hayes or Zucc, but Hayes does seem like the perfect fit for the Hurricanes, doesn't he? I'd also want a pick :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:47 pm EST

Assuming that we're speaking of HAYES...and assuming that Marty NECAS is off the table...then my first two targets on the Canes are their two Harvard holdings: Adam FOX and Jack DRURY. On the latter...if my stance toward Olaf the Snowman seems a little harsh, it's because the Rangers absolutely whiffed by passing on Ted Drury's kid...Chris' nephew. He's third on Harvard in points as a freshman. Lots of room to grow with this kid...very much like his uncle...And speaking of team leaders, Adam FOX is leading the Crimson in scoring...20 points...5 goals and 15 apples...as a defenseman. Long Island boy...was involved in the HANIFAN trade with Calgary, and I half question whether there is a concern this kid might go to free agency. He's certainly going to be in the running for the Hobey Baker this year...Gimme those two and a first and you can have HAYES...also would love to pluck the Goat off their hands: Julien GAUTHIER...don't know much about the Finnish kid, but sure...I'd take him over the first rounder, provided two of those other three were in the mix.

tdchi


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:24 pm EST

I would be interested in Janne Kuokkanen. He thinks "pass first" and would definitely fit in on the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 10:41 pm EST

Carolina: Let's Faulk, I mean talk: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7843

mf


Thu Dec 6 2018 9:54 pm EST

Caroline looking for a forward, also just lost Jordan Staal to a concussion.... per theScore NHL ‏ Verified account @theScoreNHL .... Report: Hurricanes want top-6 forward 'ASAP' after failing to land Nylander https://thesco.re/2QD9S51

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 9:29 pm EST

MSG’s James Dolan to pay $610K fine for FTC violation ..... https://nypost.com/2018/12/06/msgs-james-dolan-to-pay-610k-fine-for-ftc-violation/

mf


Thu Dec 6 2018 6:51 pm EST

Whew...Kratsov on his way to world junior camp according to his agent...

RF4l


Thu Dec 6 2018 6:29 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forward Matt Beleskey from @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 6:16 pm EST

Vic - sign him up for LTIR then!

LeoS


Thu Dec 6 2018 5:39 pm EST

SMITH's "upper body injury" is his Shit For Brains decision-making.....

Vic


Thu Dec 6 2018 4:40 pm EST

Rhet0ric - LOL! Yep, I wouldn’t be packing my bags for the NHL given where the Isles are today...I may be prematurely getting on the Rangers for their drafting of LINDBOM, but I’ll give them this: Unlike the Isles, they do NOT appear to be putting their eggs in one basket...tough to think that between SHESTYORKIN, GEORGIEV, Tyler WALL, Adam HUSKA, the Swede and even ol’ HALVERSIEVE, they won’t find a suitable replacement for Hank...the Isles, OTOH, seem utterly unwilling to admit that they need anything more than a traffic cone in net.

tdchi


Thu Dec 6 2018 3:30 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 2h2 hours ago Quinn said that Smith was dealing with an “upper-body” injury, but he should be full in practice tomorrow. Also, those forward lines were fully experimental.

stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 3:30 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 2h2 hours ago Quinn also said that Buchnevich is not going to play this trip, but Namestnikov and Zuccarello are very close (and likely). #NYR

stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 3:24 pm EST

NYR on top of things.... Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Word from #NYR that Vitali Kravtsov is "fine" after leaving ice in scary collision

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 2:38 pm EST

Kravtsov hurt on knee to knee hit. Watch him miss the WJC!!

RF4l


Thu Dec 6 2018 2:00 pm EST

Per @brettCyrgalis.... #NYR Injury updates: Quinn said that Smith was dealing with an “upper-body” injury, but he should be full in practice tomorrow. Also, those forward lines were fully experimental. #NYR.... Quinn also said that Buchnevich is not going to play this trip, but Namestnikov and Zuccarello are very close (and likely)

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 1:57 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin made 20 saves and earned a win today. He has posted a 14-3-0 record with a 1.30 GAA, a .947 SV%, and 5 SO in 17 KHL appearances this season. In his last 84 KHL appearances, he has posted a 69-9-3 record with a 1.59 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 20 SO.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 1:05 pm EST

Jesus. Having Cherneski and Cherepanov flashbacks...

limbo


Thu Dec 6 2018 12:40 pm EST

Zak ‏ @Zak4B .... According to @traktor1947 official twitter account, Kravtsov did NOT suffer a serious injury today and should be day to day. PHEW! #NYR #LGR

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 12:15 pm EST

NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch .... Bruins claim Gemel Smith off waivers from Dallas.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 12:05 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... This looks very much like a total experiment during a #NYR five-day break: ....Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast.... Vesey-Strome-Chytil.... Andersson-Howden-Hayes.... Namestnikov-Fogarty-Zuccarello.... (Now, more normal...).... Staal-Pionk.... Claesson-Shattenkirk.... Skjei-DeAngelo.... Smith-McQuaid

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:57 am EST

Anthony ‏ @McDonaghx27 ... Kravtsov shaken up at the end of the game after taking a knee on knee hit.... https://twitter.com/McDonaghx27/status/1070705227043614720

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:55 am EST

Looks like Kravtsov may be hurt.... "Scary play that saw @Kravtsov hobble to the locker room in Traktor’s loss to @AstanaBarys. Hope he’s ok #NYR #LGR.".... https://twitter.com/Zak4B/status/1070722399560183810

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:28 am EST

BTW: I thought Georgiev had a good night and IMHO all the goals scored against him were due to other, not him. Glad to see he's getting some minutes under his belt with these three consecutive games with the Pack since he's getting so few games on the Rangers.

Ranger47


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:24 am EST

#NYR prospect Yegor Rykov named to @russiahockey_en team for the Lucerne Cup #LGR... https://twitter.com/russiahockey/status/1070270483365588992

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:24 am EST

Sorry for all the spelling errors! :(

Ranger47


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:22 am EST

Went to the Pack game last night which the Pack lost 3-1. They dominated Bridgeport in the first period (11 SOG vs 4) but remained tied 0-0 going into the second. The rest of the night was pretty much all Bridgeport. I was looking for "who's on the cusp to come up). Arguably (IMHO) the only player that stood out at times was Gilmour. I don't know much about Bigras, but he was the only one who stood out negatively. My main takeaway (form just that game) was that the Pack sorely lacked offensive talent. Lettieri, Gettinger and Belesky actually looked less impressive/effective than they did in their Ranger games. Nieves, Hajek and Lindgren seemed to be playing soundly. O'Gara looksed like he did last year on the Rangers with some really good O and really bad D at times. Schneider and McDonnell stood out for their speed bur not their finish. Hopefully, the youth on the Pack will continue to develop. But, IMHO from what I saw of that one game, most of these guys right now would be at best emergency call ups on a good team.

Ranger47


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:07 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Brendan Smith and Adam McQuaid in non-contact. Buchnevich and Namestnikov both in regular jerseys. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:06 am EST

What happened to Smith?.... per Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis ... Zuccarello on the ice at #NYR practice in a regular jersey.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 11:03 am EST

Two days in a row... Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis ..... Zuccarello on the ice at #NYR practice in a regular jersey.

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 8:40 am EST

Rumor the playpens are shopping pizza kessel. They have 27 points.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 8:35 am EST

In the I didn’t know category, viva Las Vegas has 31 points.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 8:31 am EST

When is the Russian replacement for hanky coming ?

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 7:53 am EST

The injury secret has been revealed...Up at the Rangers level, coach David Quinn has continually said they have eight legit NHL defensemen who can play every night. That will be true again once Adam McQuaid returns relatively soon from his core injury that has kept him out since Oct. 25. But that logjam — at least until the lead-up to the Feb. 25 trade deadline — is not something the young blueliners down here are thinking about.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 6 2018 3:08 am EST

Alexandar Georgiev OK with this kind of a demotion.... https://nypost.com/2018/12/06/alexandar-georgiev-ok-with-this-kind-of-a-demotion/

Rhet0ric


Thu Dec 6 2018 12:03 am EST

Per Cyrgalis.... How Rangers’ defensemen of the future are faring in the AHL.... https://nypost.com/2018/12/05/how-rangers-defensemen-of-the-future-are-faring-in-the-ahl/

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 11:36 pm EST

TD... You would be correct 99.99% of the time. I suspect it was part of that addendum he signed over the summer to smooth things over(he could leaveif they didn't make the playoffs). One thing's for sure, Kravtsov has done everything in his power to try to get his team there. They just bereft of talent... BTW, It's been mentioned that SOROKIN will not be trying to get out of his deal early(2019) and he will be playing to the end of his current contract which expires in 2020. I would love to see him re-sign in the KHL after his current deal expires. He seems in no rush to get to the Isles. The NYI are currently looking for goaltending help :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 10:16 pm EST

reht0ric - I did. And that’s because it doesn’t. Name one other than RADULOV. Generally, Russia tries to rope them into the worlds. But if the kid says he’s going to play in NA, well...that’s his choice.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 10:13 pm EST

RHET thanks...

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:14 pm EST

RDW... Yup, that's why he'd sign an ATO after signing his ELC. The ATO would cover playing the rest of the season in the AHL this season(25 games).

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 7:44 pm EST

Wild/Rhet: Kravtsov can play for the Pack and not burn a year though, right?

RDW


Wed Dec 5 2018 6:21 pm EST

Rhet thats what I was pointing out. No team will bring in a prospect for the end of this season and burn a year off their contract....no way they would open up that for the expansion draft....its so easy to avoid it.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 6:06 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 8m8 minutes ago That moment when #NYR @HLundqvist30 surprises Emma from @gardenofdreams for a Holiday shopping spree @FAOSchwarz. (@HLundqvistFDN)

stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 6:06 pm EST

E... All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits). If Kravtsov played more than 9 NHL games this season, he would burn off the first year off his ELC. That would mean that he would be on the 3rd year of his ELC before the 2021 expansion draft and we would then need to protect him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:58 pm EST

RHET: expansion draft? Did I miss something???

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:51 pm EST

My head hurts.... per Russian Prospects ‏ @RUSProspects .... Vitaliy Kravtsov told in an interview to @sportexpress that if his team (Traktor Chelyabinsk) won't make the KHL play-offs, he will finish the season in North America. KHL regular season ends on 22nd of February, Traktor is currently 9th in KHL Eastern Conference standings. #NYR .....TD.... Kravtsov will sign his 3-year ELC deal and then sign an ATO to play in the AHL and hopefully the AHL playoffs(for the rest of this season). The NYR are not going to burn his first year for a handful of games so they then have to protect him in the expansion draft. That would be insane. Although, being that it's the NYR's,. Traktor will probably make the playoffs. ....ALSO: didn't you recently tell me that this never happens?

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:41 pm EST

td: On top of that...wouldnt playing this season and next in the NHL make him no longer protected automatically in the expansion draft? That would give him 2 pro seasons in the NHL.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:15 pm EST

Could get to see KRAVTSOV this season. He apparently said he wants to play in North America as soon as Trakto’s season is up, which is Feb. 22. The trade deadline is Feb. 26. He could sign before then and be eligible for the playoffs...which is highly unlikely...since doing so and playing him more than nine games would essentially burn his first contract. But stranger things have happened...very good chance he inks and then is used to help Hartford qualify if the Rangers decide they’re going to be out of playoff contention.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:10 pm EST

mf - clicking on a “bluelinestation” link isn’t worth the energy you expend to move our digit, however minimal it may be....Rhet0ric - I don’t believe he’s been injured all season. And I don’t believe he was doing very well before he was injured. He wasn’t starting much, I know that.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 5:01 pm EST

KEANE and K’Andre MILLER named to Team USA. Zero surprises there. Solid squad this year. Defense is sick. Folks, keep a look out on Sean DHOOGHE, who is also on the team. He’s an undrafted player. Think he goes through none more time before a team can sign him as a UFA. He would be well worth a late-round pick.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 4:29 pm EST

"Dustin Tokarski, recalled from AHL Hartford on Monday, will be the Rangers’ backup goaltender for their two-game swing through Florida with games against the Panthers on Saturday and the Lightning on Monday. Georgiev, who exchanged places with Tokarski, is expected to start Wednesday, Friday and Sunday for the Wolf Pack. Lundqvist is scheduled to start both games of the trip."

stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 4:24 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/why-the-nhls-seattle-expansion-could-hurt-the-rangers/

stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 2:42 pm EST

TD... in regard to Lindbom: Sarcasm? The guy has played all of two games this season due to injury. Two games. Why on earth would he make Team Sweden or get a "sniff" from the WJC squad while he's still injured? Sure, I was super critical of Gropp when he was sent down, but that was the fourth year of his career(after he was drafted), NOT six months later. ALSO, some of the best prospects/players get injured. it happens.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 2:19 pm EST

Several years ago I saw a Nashville vs. SJ game and Shea Weber demolished Couture behind the net. Couture looked like he was lights out. Only his legs were moving a little. The overhead put a camera on Weber on the bench. Of course he was roundly boo’d but you could see the look on his face. He had a look of “please get up....” when he did Weber was tapping the boards standing. He wanted to make a play. He wanted to play rough and tumble. He didn’t want him hurt. I’m sure Chris Krieder grapples with this as well. He can demolish people and maybe if he didn’t hit so hard he’d hit more frequently. That and the refs are watching, and of course some good old theatrics by the other guy and you have a recipe and argument for limited contact hockey.

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 2:13 pm EST

E......exactly how I felt about Reaves. 100%

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Dec 5 2018 1:55 pm EST

E: Very true indeed. Kreider has shown big hits now and again....but he is more reserved, probably for what you stated, and the fact that the refs just beat him down for a time there. A big hit takes you out of the play just as much as the guy taking the hit, thats part of why bigs hits a less and less part of the game. You need to be really smart about when you try to put a guy in the stands....and there is a risk that he turns the "right" way and you end up getting him in the head, or from behind...doesnt matter that you didnt try to do that you still get penalized and possibly hurt a guy really bad, and no player wants that .

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 1:44 pm EST

Oh and I love Reaves. I was so bummed when LV retained him and we ended up with McLeod to fill that role. Reaves is a hockey player. So, is Smith-Pelly. I had both on my affordable get list. We talk intangibles? Well there you guy.

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 1:40 pm EST

WILD: hitting is harder then ever. First, the refs are so quick on whistles and they always err on the side of caution with heads. I have no issue with it as a player. Protecting your head is crucial. Honestly, if we wanna see harder checks you gotta have players wear a full cage brain bucket. I’d be less worried that my hit will be high if the refs felt confident eating the whistle more and let guys play the game. The other side is evolution. If I’m a defender, I’m not gonna risk position for the hit. So many guys can skate and players are stronger on their skates collectively then at any time I can remember. There is a reason why knocking Johnny Gaudreau, Karlsson or some of these undersized guys hard makes them just bounce off of you. They are so strong on their skates who wants to risk having these guys rotate off of you and still make a play. Without obstruction there is a ton of play off of the boards now making it harder to land hits. More often just causing you to lose your gap. Believe me, Chris Krieder can still knock people into the seats but at what cost? His trend also has been not to play as physical during the 82. He picks it up during the playoffs.

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 1:39 pm EST

FWI2 Rangers most financially valuable NHL team followed by Leafs and Montreal.

RF4l


Wed Dec 5 2018 1:31 pm EST

The Hockey Writers ‏ @TheHockeyWriter .... Forbes: NY Rangers Most Valuable NHL Franchise https://is.gd/5MwshQ #THW

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:47 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ..... Gemel Smith (DAL) on waivers

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:44 pm EST

LeoS……..I don't think his helmet was loose, I think Reaves made it loose !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:43 pm EST

RF73: I think with Kreider its more that every time he hit someone it looks like they got hit by a truck...and the refs arm shoots up so fast it almost rips off his body and hits the roof! He has been taught that hitting gets you in the box....the NHL is terrified of missing a big hit that is not clean, so 75% of big clean hits end up as a penalty...its sad really. Kreider had that stretch in his second year I think when he got called for penalties like 5 or 6 games in a row, and not a single one was anything but a textbook clean hit.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:32 pm EST

td: Yess call a kid the season after he is drafted a bust...and rip on him for being injured and not getting on the national team....well...because he has played 2 games.....I think it might be just a tad bit too early to even discuss if he was a good pick or not.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:17 pm EST

Reaves is the MAN......boy does that look good on Wilson . Perfect. Will he learn ? NOPE.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:10 pm EST

TD: easy there buddy, it's gonna be alright... Paging DR.OLA, paging DR.OLA.... get we get the vitals on Olof Lindbom..... We've got a situation which seems to require your attention....https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/344661/olof-lindbom ............ https://bluelinestation.com/2018/08/13/new-york-rangers-why-drafting-olof-lindbom-good-idea/

mf


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:07 pm EST

TD...way too early to draw such definitive conclusiins but I get the concern. Lots of us, yourself and myself, reacted to the selection with 'WTF?'. So far that reaction is justified. If Akil Thomas makes the Canadian team and shines it'll salt in the wound rubbing for me...

RF4l


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:06 pm EST

For a cheapshot artist, Wilson sure wears his helmet loose!

LeoS


Wed Dec 5 2018 11:51 am EST

“NO I DON’T WANT TO BUILD A F@CKING SNOWMAN.” - Rangers’ wunderkind Olof LINDBOM snubbed from Team Sweden. Surprise, surprise. If y’all are getting bent about GROPP being demoted...I suggest you get your dander in high gear for this travesty of a goddamn pick. The only saving grace here is that I think he’s injured...but seriously...this was the kid who was allegedly picked by virtue of his performance in the U18s...not only is he not starting, but he’s not even getting as much as a sniff from the WJC squad. What a goddamn waste of a pick.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 11:42 am EST

Rhet0ric - while common sense would dictate that the NHL talent pool is growing weaker and weaker with expansion/KHL...it’s REALLY hard to watch the sport today and see it...I mean, there are guys outside of the NHL today who would have played four or five more years in the pre-expansion NHL...the name I think about is Kevin KLEIN. He was a solid defenseman who had serious wheels, but who was slowing down. I’m sure he had his reasons for retiring, but I can’t see how someone like him would have been on the outside looking in back in the 1990s...especially in the clutch-and-grab NHL...I think Buttman does deserve a little credit for growing the sport...but what is owed the MOST credit is how USA Hockey has just forced its way into a scene that’s was absolutely dominated by the big three: baseball, football and basketball. Certainly, hockey is still fourth...but 30 years ago, a kid like Austen MATTHEWS would have been playing football or baseball, just by shear virtue of where he grew up. But thanks to the Yotes...and a much, much bigger thanks to the USNTDP, we now have one of the best Americans to lace up the skates showcasing his talents in Toronto of all places...USA Hockey is constantly trying to get people into the sport and successfully so. Try Hockey for a Day...an all-costs-paid experience for kids that happens at generally every rink across the country...is HUGE and helping to pull kids in who might not have otherwise taken the plunge...and then look at the NCAA...players that developed late and were passed by professional hockey are getting a second chance to test their mettle with some seriously good programs...and as I’ve argued here before: the NCAA has NEVER been as strong as it is today...teams like Union College, UAlabama and Penn State are now graduating NHLers. We now have a D1 program in Arizona! So more people are playing he sport from the largest North American nation, which is also graduating a higher quality of player thanks to the USNTDP, a program that is now serving as a model for other countries(see Slovenia)...you could argue that Bettman’s NHL amended the rules in a manner to make the game APPEAR more skilled...but what really happened was it allowed smaller players an opportunity to play professional, which opened the gates for hundreds of players who would have never gotten as much a an ATO in the AGL...like Torrey KRUG for instance...anyway...I think it’s a really bogus argument to say the NHL talent pool is thinner and an eve. Weaker argument to blame this on expansion. The game has changed, no doubt. And I’m not sure today’s players are as complete as they once were...but there is sooooooo much talent in the league now...I mean, we are now seeing signs of the ECHL being used as a developmental league...and that’s something we would have never seen 20 years ago.

tdchi


Wed Dec 5 2018 11:26 am EST

The "old" Kreider...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZNzzwn3B7U

RF73


Wed Dec 5 2018 11:22 am EST

RF73...he never hit much anyways. Just not in his mindset.

RF4l


Wed Dec 5 2018 10:54 am EST

Kreider has backed-off the physical stuff completely...Wonder if there is any psychological correlation to his blood clot?...Might be afraid to "shake something loose?"...Not sure if that could even happen?

RF73


Wed Dec 5 2018 10:31 am EST

RHET: we could’ve made an argument that the talent pool doesn’t exist to support the number of teams in the league once upon a time. But when you look at the elite teams in the NHL they are stacked. And most of them did it thru the draft. And by that I mean they had the currency in assets to get what they needed to win now. TB, TO, WPG etc... these are teams with embarrassments of talent. Fitting under a cap. And teams like Edmonton have been given every chance to build a winner. There aren’t 1 or 2 teams capable of winning a cup. There are 6-7. That’s not a diluted league. That’s definitely much deeper then the NBA. In fact, the only league with more parity is the NFL. I just think there is something to be said about culture. A new regime took over in TO and immediately Evan to rebuild them into a winner. Yzerman did an incredible job taking his team to another level. The NYI inability to build and hold a winner together is not for lack of talent pool. It’s incompetence.

E


Wed Dec 5 2018 10:18 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 20h20 hours ago Buchnevich said he’s hopeful he can play Saturday. DQ said all the guys are possible, but conceded McQuaid is probably a longer shot than the others.

stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 9:45 am EST

Hospo that’s what the nyr need a guy that can at least hit like ovie, and get away with it like he does. Most would get a penalty and on some a suspension. The nhl doesn’t suspend stars very often. Guess that’s another good reason to get a top pick. Kid k needs to use his inner ovie which is in hibernation partly thanks to the nhl and Assvipe, and himself.

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 9:24 am EST

Tlats. Kravtsov will be on the Russian team. Hopefully Keane and Miller for the Americans. 5 prospects to watch. Chytil is eligible for the Czech team BTW.

RF4l


Wed Dec 5 2018 9:12 am EST

Yeah on the Reaves - WIlson hit...but did you see the OVIE hit on Nosek(?)????.God, I would love players on the Rangers that played like OVIE (even without the higth end skill) and WIlson..

Hospo


Wed Dec 5 2018 9:11 am EST

A couple of prospects named to word jr teams Lundkvist + Ragnarsson both named to the Swedish WJC roster. Nick Gross for the Swiss team

tlats


Wed Dec 5 2018 9:00 am EST

Ha! Ryan Reaves Tom Wilsoned Tom Wilson!!

RF4l


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:59 am EST

Ahhh......KARMA..........http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/nhl-news-capitals-winger-tom-wilson-leaves-game-with-upper-body-injury-after-taking-big-hit/1dvnd5g4da94e19gx563q5ax2w

Vic


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:57 am EST

STEVIE: My NYR thong fits perfectly. I had to get it with a big bulge about the size of the NYR hard had that guy wears in the MSG commercials. It bulges but it fits fine. And I do think a line of OTBG apparel would sell extremely well with Ranger fans. You could have shirts that have one sleeve but not the other. Or pants with one leg but not the other. Button down shirts with no buttons or fasteners of any kind. The options are endless.....

Vic


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:42 am EST

Vic if you must know, I went commando so it’s easier to talk out that end and not get muffled. Does your thong alleviate that or do you have to adjust it? Snark on. Maybe the nyr will come out with an otbg logo pair to wear for draft days .

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:37 am EST

Both Nils Lundkvist and Jakob Ragnarsson made the Swedish WJC team, good news! Sweden's blueline is stacked. I am not sure if you guys remember him, but Jakob's dad is Marcus Ragnarsson, the old Philly D. Doesn't seem like that long ago he played for Philly, but the years pass pretty fast...

Ola


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:22 am EST

Feeling a little snarky this morning STEVIE? Are your Fruit of the Looms a little too tight again???

Vic


Wed Dec 5 2018 8:17 am EST

or die!

RF73


Wed Dec 5 2018 7:57 am EST

Bring back a new version of the Statue of Liberty jersey, with the saying “bring us the top 3 draft pick who will not be a bust or get injured “.

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 5 2018 3:56 am EST

WILD... He means it in a different context than the way you're thinking. Thirty years ago we had 21 teams. Back then, if there were 15 elite players, in theory you had a much better chance of getting one than you do today. The next ten or so years, His opinion is that lesser athlete's were making it to the NHL at this time to fill the need(for eg. the Doig years). Thus the clutch and grab days became a necessity. Then the NHL became more and more global to catch up. Today the quality of athletes is much higher than 20 years ago, but you take those same 15 elite athlete'a and you're now spreading them put between 32 teams instead of 21 (unless you're the Penguins of course). The draft is now 7 rounds long instead of twelve rounds long. Rebuilding can take much longer than it used to. It's food for thought. Anyway, you can tweet at him if you want to pick his brain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 2:48 am EST

Rhet: sorry but I question the hockey knowledge of people who say that the talent is debuted in the NHL. Is high end talent now spread out more? Yes, frankly that’s a good thing. Nothing, IMHO, kills a sport more than a couple teams with so much talent that before the season starts you know who’s playing for the championship (hello NBA for a stretch). However overal talent is higher. So many people actually believe that 4th line players today would t have made the NHL 30 years ago....that’s such a joke, there were guys on 2nd lines 30 years ago that wouldn’t make a roster today. Their skating sucked, shots were slow by today’s minimum stadards. Now granted if they grew up in today’s sports world they may have been better overal athletes....but talent wise? Sorry. There are guys on 4th lines in today’s game that would have been among leaders in points for their teams. Not stars mind you, but regular contributors.....could you imagine a standup goalie against almost any current NHL player? There is a reason the players of yesteryear scores so darn much....and it wasn’t always their skill. A lack of skill isn’t why we have less 50 goal scorers, and lower point totals for players. The clutch and grab era was the reason guys like Doig were in the NHL, those guys being there didn’t create the clutch and grab. Teams started bringing guys in who could play that style because that style existed.

Wildcard


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:51 am EST

QUESTION: @hockeyrodent While I guess I'm happy for @NHLSeattle_ I do have some serious concerns about (ongoing) talent dilution across the league. 11 rosters added in last 30 years. What do you think? ....It seems no matter how much youth hockey participation has grown it could never keep pace with the expansion rate and maintain any kind of ratio where every team had a real star ....ANSWER: The Hockey Rodent @HockeyRodent ....The Hockey Rodent.... I've written many rants on the topic, two of which were syndicated by Fox Sports. I was first to declare that the late-1990s clutch-n-grab era was endorsed by Bettman to permit lesser talent to "keep up with" the elite world-class pre-KHL population of hockey players.... Had clutch-n-grab not been actively supported by Sixth Avenue, fans would have been alienated by the clear inability of 20% of the NHL's roster to play with the big boys. I mean, c'mon: Jason Doig? I also demonstrated why/how talent pool dilution drove up elite UFA salaries.... KHL has also strained the talent pool.

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:36 am EST

Dear Larry... If you do a story tomorrow about offer sheeting Auston Matthews, could you please work the word rhetoric in there somewhere? Thank you :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 5 2018 12:29 am EST

Yesterday I brought up the NYR issues expansion draft and today Brooks was talking about the NYR issues with the expansion draft. i didn't even get a shout out... Per Brooks.... "Why the NHL’s Seattle expansion could hurt the Rangers".... https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/why-the-nhls-seattle-expansion-could-hurt-the-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 11:27 pm EST

My most recent is/was (no longer playing) CCM Jetspeed. I could wear more lightweight stuff everywhere else. Wasn’t like I could take too much to the body into 40’s. I played no contact. Still had work the next day.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:58 pm EST

E and NEWFIE:. I'm done playing now due to age and injury. But for the last 20 years I wore the Cooper girdle and shorts shell. I loved it. It is so much better then the traditional padded shorts.

Vic


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:48 pm EST

15 goals for Matthews in 14 games. The new league max would be $16,600,000 million.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:34 pm EST

NEWFIE: I remember a friend of mine showing up at the rink with them back in the day. I remember thinking that they were kinda cool. Then I saw Sittler, Propp, and Clarke come out of the tunnel at MSG and the laughs. They looked like such tools. And the Flyers logo was on the ankles? What a tire fire that was.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:21 pm EST

What a finish to that Leafs/Buff game . Matthews goal in OT.....I didn't see the puck till they slowed it down in replay. Oh my,if only...….

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 9:59 pm EST

Auston Matthews 14 goals in 14 games... Looks like he may be a safe best for a 60 goal season? I would be shocked if he weren't a prime target for an offer sheet at say $14 Mil per. Front load a 7 year deal with a lot of bonus money to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the Leafs to match. I would have to say that Matthews is easily worth 4 consecutive 1st round draft picks if anyone is. IMO, it's worth a shot for some team to take.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 9:51 pm EST

Newf: your Eyes do not deceive you, FLA and the NYI are at the lowest attendance levels once again.... Just checked, the Quebec City Arena seats 18,259 and they consistently pack the house.... Read this: Thanks, but no thanks Unfortunately, the NHL never seemed to have any serious desire to bring a team to the Quebec capital. The NHL has, for a very long time, been focusing on American expansion and building the game in new non-traditional markets. That’s why they are so steadfast in keeping a team in Arizona, why there are two team in Florida, and why there are teams in Nashville, Carolina, and Columbus.......www.habseyesontheprize.com/2017/3/24/14933874/quebec-city-nhl-expansion-bid-centre-videotron-quebecor-vegas-golden-knights-remparts-gary-bettman

mf


Tue Dec 4 2018 9:17 pm EST

E.....wow, the old Cooper-alls, that brings back memories, I think the Whalers had them too.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 9:15 pm EST

Jake.....I know they'll never move out of FLA but it is really embarrassing to see those empty seats in an NHL arena. They won't be moved because Betttman will NEVER admit he is wrong on anything. He just has that personality flaw.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 9:06 pm EST

The only Pens jersey I didn't find offensive was when they went with The New York Rangers wanna be and had Pittsburgh spelled down the jersey. The other Pen logos thru the years are and were absurd and worthy of a pee-wee club. The Preds I also can't stand when they embrace the yellow and white on the road. Their home jersey was simplified and looks pretty good to me.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:52 pm EST

Kansas City, Cleveland, Oklahoma City are possibilities but I think Bettman has his eyes on Houston which is a huge city population wise. Doubt they EVER move out of Miami

Jake0104


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:46 pm EST

ahhh... but what a city Vancouver is... The v-necks? Lets just say that it was as interesting as the Flyers wearing pants.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:44 pm EST

Newf...FLA to Quebec is counter intuitive to Buttman's grand and flawed vision of a national US TV deal ala the 3 big leagues.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:35 pm EST

Rhet.....you know ofcourse that Vancouver is the Drug Capital of Canada,right ?

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:29 pm EST

Expansion......holy shit ,just saw highlights from FLA, the place is 2/3 EMPTY.…..is Bettman just blind or stupid ? take it out of there and give it to Que City already.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 7:59 pm EST

Hands down, the greatest uniforms of all-time... http://canadiandesignresource.ca/products/sport/vancouver-canucks-uniforms-home-and-away/

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 7:43 pm EST

Let me refresh your memory. I would take the Predators uniforms any day of the week.... https://www.si.com/nhl/2014/08/13/NHL-uniform-changes-los-angeles-kings-pittsburgh-penguins-more-news-links

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 7:10 pm EST

Why was the Kings Gold jersey any worse than Nashville's ? At least the Kings were back in the 60's.....peace, love ,you know....

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 5:39 pm EST

Ranger47...puts a different perspective on the commonly heard phrase 'that guy's a horse'! Heeheeehhahaawah

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 5:13 pm EST

David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Vegas paid a $500M expansion fee. Seattle’s paying $650M. That’s $1.15B split between 30 teams (Vegas doesn’t get a cut of SEA). Each club ends up with $38.333M.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:59 pm EST

E.... Gretzky got there in '88 and said "there's no way I'm wearing those F-ing things."

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:46 pm EST

I remember those old Los Angeles Kings Gold and Purple train wrecks. They were really trying to city brand with the Lakers. It was a fail... For a quick second LA revisited purple around 2004. It was a great color purple. With black logos, they looked like Baltimore Ravens'ish. But the logo was a mess and the Los Angeles on the trim was horrible. But now back in black and silver the logo still sucks in my opinion. In an age where teams are going thru an identity crisis with some straight bad jerseys Seattle has branding carte blanche. And LV hit a home-run and that teams branding fits in so well with the city its damn near perfect.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:34 pm EST

They'll also probably not want to overlap Canuck colors too closely, since that's gonna be the nearest rival. That darker green works. Ooo I love Fashion Week on RFC ;)

LeoS


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:30 pm EST

The old Seattle Totems uniforms... https://twitter.com/Robin_Brownlee/status/1070024539705233408

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:21 pm EST

of the non original or old schools I have to say that SJ still has one of the best around. And this version right now is particularly awesome. And I love Seattle colors. It so fits the city. green forests, gray fog, emerald and aqua water. It just works so well to me.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:06 pm EST

TD: "Almost a third of the foals by Trakto". He must be a real workhorse! :)

Ranger47


Tue Dec 4 2018 3:45 pm EST

QUINN might be the perfect coach for Buchnevich. He craves feedback and finally has a coach that give it to him. Let's see what he does with it.... per New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... "It was nice to have a full cast of characters out there" - #NYR Coach Quinn talks about some of the #NYR players who got back on the ice at practice today.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1070051890493313025

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 3:38 pm EST

Saw this on Twitter a little while ago: KRAVTSOV, with his explosion of 10 points in the past 11 games, now has a hand in 28 percent of his team’s goals. That’s nuts. Almost a third of the foals by Trakto —by all accounts a really crappy team —are fed or shot by this kid.

tdchi


Tue Dec 4 2018 3:27 pm EST

Newfie.... In regard to uniforms: Yeah, it took the Seattle Mariners/Seahawks MANY years to get it right and then for some inexplicable reason, move away from having it right. BTW, Do you remember those awful purple/gold Kings uniforms? ...In regard to expansion: I am with you. Bettman is a horrible Commissioner. His idea of growing the sport is just adding a new franchise. Every semi-original idea he ever had he's stolen from the NBA(from whence he came--he's not a hockey guy). Eventually the draft will come down to just 4 rounds :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 3:24 pm EST

I'm for a more "real" descriptive name like the Seattle Sanctuary or Seattle Homeless....

Ranger47


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:53 pm EST

Rhet......don't you think we got enough Black jerseys now …...including LA who are already Black and Silver......you just know it's gonna be florescent yellow,green, light blue with aqua in there somewhere. One thing you can count on ,it's gonna be HIDEOUS ! I think if it goes to 34 or 36 teams, and I never thought I'd say this but it might be over and out for me as an NHL fan.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:45 pm EST

Seattle Thunderbirds !?!?

mf


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:36 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... #NYR prospect @Kravtsov with a goal and assist today, and he has tallied 10 points (3 G, 7 A) in his last 11 KHL games.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1070038222695206914

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:34 pm EST

It will be so good to have Butchie back.... per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Buchnevich said he’s hopeful he can play Saturday. DQ said all the guys are possible, but conceded McQuaid is probably a longer shot than the others.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:33 pm EST

Sounds like the Rangers kiddies are performing quite well as of late. At least some of their Grade A prospects (Kravtsov, Miller, Shestyorkin). I agree with Wild, and that we must not do things half-assed and continue to accumulate 1st round picks that management can collect on players that they don't figure into the future core of a SC contending roster. As for Miller, he's way ahead of the curve from what I can tell so far but I'm not as sureprised as many. I said it when we got him during the draft. This pick in IMHO has the most potential to boom. The guy has all the measurables, attitude, work ethic, and some serious offensive skill. He was still learning the D position and that was the only question mark I had...looks like our Ranger alum, T.Granato is doing a heck of job developing him for us so far. I hope they give him 2 full seasons at Wisconsin and don't try to rush the kid out of school if continues this stellar play. We will have in exciting prospect to bring on board if so, after his sophomore year!

NCRanger


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:26 pm EST

https://twitter.com/nyrstatsinfo/status/1070032931350040579?s=12

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:24 pm EST

Update! Player contribution after 32 games in D+1 season: Kuznetsov: 16 points on 81 goals (19.7%) Tarasenko: 14 points on 82 goals (17.1%) Panarin: 15 points on 71 goals (21.1%) Kravtsov: 17 points on 59 goals (28.8%) @Kravtsov #NYR? ?

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:10 pm EST

Even the Thunderbirds have similar colors....

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:08 pm EST

E: I agree....it’s just not a Seattle team without those colors IMHO

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:02 pm EST

Where is Joey Keane in that forever blueshirts NA prospects review??

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:02 pm EST

I say Seattle should adopt the cities colors. They literally are the only city where their teams have a group ID. The Sounders and Seahawks and even the Mariners use that green, Florescent green, dark blue theme so well. I’d love to see the hockey team carry on with that. You just see those colors and it’s synonymous.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 2:01 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin stopped all 24 shots he faced today to earn a win and a shutout with SKA.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:57 pm EST

Shesterkin has posted a 13-3-0 record, along with a 1.31 GAA, a .946 SV%, and 5 SO in 16 KHL appearances this season. In his last 83 KHL appearances, he has posted a 68-9-3 record, along with a 1.59 GAA, a .937 SV%, and 20 SO. #NYR? ?

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:54 pm EST

Well, if Seattle goes with Sea Lions, they're welcome to have the motto of a team I was once on (a bunch of mostly out-of-shape guys): "We may be fat, but we're slow"

LeoS


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:52 pm EST

And Miller only converted to D a few years ago so he's still working on incorpirating instincta to his game. Trust that makes aense...

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:45 pm EST

Er HUGHES is a sophomore...even more reason to get psyched about MILLER.

tdchi


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:43 pm EST

theScore NHL ‏ Verified account @theScoreNHL .... 4 potential names, logos for Seattle's new franchise... https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1670104utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:42 pm EST

RDW - I don’t think it’s too early to get excited about MILLER...he’s a little less than halfway through his first season on a mediocre team. And he is leading it in scoring. Just as a comparison, he is putting up very similar numbers to Quinn HUGHES, who I am personally very high on and who was taken seventh overall(some mock drafts and pundits had him Going as high as fourth overall). Both are freshmen. Both have similar games, only MILLER has size on his side...regardless, the complaint/fear on both is that their defense is/will be suspect. There’s continued evidence of this in HUGHES, but from what I’ve seen thus far from MILLER, he’s been a rock back there. That is huge for a freshman. Certainly, his story is written...is ticket to the NHL isn’t punched...but what he’s done as a first-year player...an 18-year-old...man it’s phenomenal. I think all is Ranger fans like to temper expectations...but I tell you: he’s opening a lot of eyes around hockey. Definitely a shoe-in for the WJCs...and I tell you what: if he can maintain this level of play at that tourney...and I have faith he will...we’ll be hearing a lot more about K’Andre in the near future.

tdchi


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:37 pm EST

it's nice to see Vladdy look "normal" again.... per New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... "I felt good," Vlad talks about getting back on the ice at #NYR practice today.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1070020484442529793

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:31 pm EST

C'mon the Penguins aren't that smart. They had a line with two guys on it that wouldn't go into the corners and do the dirty work. Add to it that Hagelin could actually keep up with Kessel and they really had something. At least for half a season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:19 pm EST

https://twitter.com/TheFourthPeriod/status/1070009068528508928

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:18 pm EST

E...excellent synopsis of Hag's unimpressive stint with Anaheim. The Penguins sure understood how to leverage the high end assets he brings to the table.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:18 pm EST

I voted for the Seattle franchise to be named the SHUTTLECOCKS. It just rolls right off the tongue... Black and Silver would be a cool color scheme for the new franchise(a la Oakland/LA Raiders, but you know they'll screw it up by adding a pastel color in there somewhere.... per David Pagnotta @TheFourthPeriod ... Pay close attention to this jersey’s colour scheme. Told this will be extremely similar to what Seattle’s home jersey will look like and team colours will be.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:15 pm EST

I'm looking forward to seeing Kratsov at the WJC this month.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:11 pm EST

I wish I could say that with the announcement of the NHL's 32nd team that they were done.. There are rumors that Bettman has plans to expand to 34 teams (can 36 teams really that far behind?) ...RDW... I am trying to temper my excitement, but he is having a very strong start to his collegiate career. I'm starting to understand why we moved up in the draft to get him :) Maybe management knows a thing or two? Naaaahhhh.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 1:02 pm EST

"prospect Vitali Kravtsov has registered two points (one goal, one assist) through the first two periods of Traktor's game today. He has recorded 17 points (six goals, 11 assists) in 32 games this season, including 10 points (three goals, seven assists) in his last 11 games." ---- The kid has gotten on quite the hot streak...10 points in 11 in the KHL as a youngster...quite a feet.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:57 pm EST

By the way...the Seattle ownership group has said repeatedly that they want the fans to have a hand in naming the team...so I doubt they have already chosen anything. Keep in mind Seattle sports fans are a different breed, and have some experience in being part of team decisions. The Sounders hold a vote every 4 years on whether to retain the GM....thats is awesome and I wish more teams did that type of thing. I imagine the Seattle NHL franchise will be involving fans as much as possible the next year and a half, figuring out a name, perhaps even team colors. It should be a fun time there for NHL fans...I will hopefully be one of them out there enjoying that buildup soon....

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:51 pm EST

I have been saying it for some time. The Rangers strategy needs to be to accumulate as many 1st and 2nd round picks in this years draft as they possibly can....secondly to get a good return, they should also look at taking picks for next years draft as well if thats the only possibility....for instance, I dont want to take 1st and 3rd in this years draft if they could get a 1st this year and a 2nd next because a team doesn't want to give up their top 2 picks or doesn't have a 2nd for this year.

Wildcard


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:38 pm EST

BTW yotes to move to central.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:37 pm EST

Stevie...hence the accentuated need to accumulate extra picks. Call it the blind squirrel strategy...

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:20 pm EST

Rf4l that the otbg shotgun approach. He’s like a broken clock.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:18 pm EST

Here's the Miller game winner from the other night: https://twitter.com/AdamZHerman/status/1069259655908610048

RDW


Tue Dec 4 2018 12:16 pm EST

NHL on NBC NHL on NBC @NHLonNBCSports It's OFFICIAL! The @NHL has awarded Seattle an expansion franchise with play expected to begin in 2021!

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 4 2018 11:50 am EST

Miller drafted via having a bevy of picks at the draft.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 11:22 am EST

Rhet: Obviously it's very early but it's hard not to be amped about the way Miller has been playing so far this year. Would be a real coup for the Rangers if this kid develops into something special.

RDW


Tue Dec 4 2018 11:09 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... At Rangers practice. Zuccarello, Namestnikov, Buchnevich and McQuaid are all on ice. Namestnikov and McQuaid in red no contact jerseys.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 11:06 am EST

Rangers Report ‏ @rangersreport ..... NYR practice is underway. Shattenkirk and Smith have maintenance days today so they will not participate.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:32 am EST

ICYMI: NHL re-alignment plans leaked.... With Seattle on board, big changes are coming. Move Arizona? Break up the Battle of Alberta? .....https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/icymi-nhl-re-alignment-plans-leaked?ref=trevor

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:30 am EST

Metropolitans? Good grief... Seattle with its sports culture. With its inland sea identity? I don’t know? The Seahawks, Mariners, Sounders and metropolitans? On the one sport actually played on water? I have so much higher hopes for my beloved Seattle.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:17 am EST

USA Hockey NTDP ‏ Verified account @USAHockeyNTDP .... #NTDPAlum K’Andre Miller is on fire with @BadgerMHockey.... The freshman became the first Badgers defenseman in more than six years to record a four-point game....https://madison.com/wsj/sports/college/hockey/four-point-game-pushes-freshman-defenseman-k-andre-miller-into/article_b89f34ab-1bed-589f-858b-cce3c3e74441.html

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 10:03 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Regarding the Rangers, starting with the layoff plan. https://nyp.st/2KQoR6B via @nypostsports

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:42 am EST

Rick Westhead ‏ Verified account @rwesthead .... The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear a wrongful death lawsuit filed by the parents of former NHL enforcer Derek Boogaard. https://www.law360.com/sports/articles/1107208 … Boogaard failed 14 of the 19 drug tests he took in the final six months of his life.... https://www.tsn.ca/co-founder-of-nhl-nhlpa-substance-abuse-program-under-investigation-for-care-of-boogaard-1.467262

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:40 am EST

Greg Wyshynski ‏ Verified account @wyshynski .... In speaking to Seattle media here, I'm surprised how many believe the name of the new NHL team will be the Metropolitans.... If that's the case, my formal request: We obviously must rename the Metropolitan Division as the Patrick Division, to avoid confusion.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:22 am EST

With the exception of Teemu Sellane. I eat at his steakhouse frequently and he is there a lot.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:20 am EST

Hags was called in to help address a need in Anaheim that recognized that they were too slow and needed to pick up speed. They expected him to thrive with top-6 minutes. He didn’t. Could be that they had him hamstrung with Kesler half the time but the fit was wrong and Anaheim erred in acquiring him. Pittsburgh immediately said, let’s put this guy with other guys that have wheels. We all know what happened next. I actually met Karl Hagelin at a shopping center in Tustin, CA where he was doing autographs with Stoner and Ritchie not too long after he got traded. There was almost no one there. Maybe 30 people, the duck and some girls who clean the ice to take pics with. I suppose it wasn’t high profile enough names to draw the crowds. I joked with Hagelin that it was a long way from NYC and the New York Rangers to a strip mall. Hagelin told me that it was great and he loved Corner Bakery coffee and his experience in Anaheim had been awesome so far. I took it as cryptic but... he signed and posed for the kids and we went across the street to Best Buy. My first “NHL fan experience” thing since moving to the Southland. I find that players are less accessible here then they were up north where the Sharks are much more interlaced into Silicon Valley.

E


Tue Dec 4 2018 8:19 am EST

TD...we can agree to disagree.

RF4l


Tue Dec 4 2018 7:06 am EST

CHECKING UP ON THE RANGERS NORTH AMERICAN PROSPECTS.... https://foreverblueshirts.com/checking-up-on-the-rangers-north-american-prospects/

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 4 2018 4:49 am EST

RF4L - Again...How so?! Let me lay it out one more time...The Rangers traded a guy who they got with a sixth round pick...a guy who, while an important player, NEVER score more than 20 goals or amassed more than 40 points...a guy who wanted to get paid like a top-six player(i.e. $4 million plus)...they moved him, a late second rounder and sixth rounder for a high second rounder and a former first rounder who, at the time, was still considered a very decent prospect...Was losing Hagelin a blow for the team? Yes. But what they got for him at the time was about as much as they were going to get...and don't give me this business that he arbitrarily out of the blue talked to the Ducks while the rest of the NHL was completely unaware of Hagelin being on the market...There was a clear reality with Hags: He wanted more than the Rangers could afford...and if other teams didn't see that, then it's on them...Truth is, Hagelin was a player whose value was in the team around him. As Anaheim quickly found out, you could depend on him to play a top six role...and really the main reason he helped Pittsburgh so much was that they were able to add him to an already strong third line...But every time Hags comes up, there's a whole bunch of Ranger fans that act like we traded away Rick Middleton again...that we lost this prolific player that should have returned us a top prospect or top 10 pick...and that's flat-out nonsense. Hell, GRABNER, who had two 25-plus goal seasons with us and had a 30-plus goal season under his belt, only got us RYKOV and a second rounder...and folks here were absolutely smitten with that return. I don't get this belief that somehow Hagelin was worth so much more.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:55 pm EST

MF... I know what you're doing. You didn't even know who Bouchard was this time last season. The obsession is a little unhealthy.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:52 pm EST

https://hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2018-19/selection-camp/stats/team-rosters?teamid=128

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:26 pm EST

TD: Getting back to my earlier point regarding paths to winning. Winning teams are built various ways. The best teams are a combination of trade, suck for whoever, draft well and make good UFA moves. The Jets have taken an absurd path to competitiveness but in recent years they seem to have it down. What I would add is that the Jets are my template for winning hockey. Super fast, highly skilled, and very physical. Nashville of course is another story. But, as much as we want to go around all day on this one again it is statistically provable that the odds of becoming a contender become exponentially greater once you add a top-5 guy.

E


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:24 pm EST

Larry Brooks Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 12h Might also infer that Zuccarello and Namestnikov will he able to practice when Rangers get back onto the ice tomorrow. 9 59 Larry Brooks Larry Brooks @NYP_Brooksie · 12h Georgiev, Lettieri, Beleskey to Wolf Pack, Tokarski recalled...Wolf Pack with game on Weds, Rangers don't play until Saturday in Fla...Team has watched its cap pennies last week or so...

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:19 pm EST

http://arizonasports.com/story/1756837/michael-grabner-shows-gory-eye-day-after-taking-stick-to-face/

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:47 pm EST

Newfie... In regard to Gaborik, he hasn't officially retired yet. So he could still come back.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:41 pm EST

TD..that was a bad trade regardless of how Anaheim made out. Sather as it did with MSL talked to 1 team and gabe up way more than he got. That's the beef.

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:48 pm EST

Puck: I'm trying to trade them HANK to increase the odds

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:34 pm EST

The more I watch Tampa Bay the more I think we might get their number one pick this year

Puckyou


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:27 pm EST

Rhet......I think Dorsett abd gaborick are done aren't they ? and I don't think Nash is coming back.....not much oddsanyway, he is like a very expensive crystal wine glass ready to shatter.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:10 pm EST

Wait. Wait. Wait. I'm trying to catch up here and reading quick...but did I just happen into a discussion holding the Jets/Thrashers up as an organization to pattern after? I mean, do they have an exciting team? YES. But their path to getting it was...well...VERY unorthodox...and recognize that before last season, Winnipeg/Atlanta had a grand total of EIGHT(!!!) playoff games over 17(!!!) seasons. The Thrashers are the geniuses that drafted the following superstars: STEFAN at first overall, LEHTONEN at second overall, BOGOSIAN at third overall, and BURMISTROV at eighth overall. The Jets also made out like bandits thanks to the Hawks' cap crisis(which brought them BYFUGLIEN on a silver platter) and Peter Chiarelli, who is positively the worst GM the NHL has seen since Mike Milbury(he threw them WHEELER for pennies on the dollar)...I won't get into some of the bat-shit crazy trades made during the Waddell years(i.e. trading HOSSA, HEATLEY, SAVARD and KOVALCHUK and having ZIPPO to show for it)...What I will say is that since Waddell parted and Cheveldayoff took over, they've absolutely CRUSHED at the draft table...Winnipeg owes a lot of its success to LAINE and EHLERS, but there are so many other great picks he's made in the first few rounds...just too many to mention...If we want to get into a discussion about where Winnipeg has done it right as compared to where the Rangers have erred, it's their ability to get quality roster players not just with their high first rounders, but with late first rounders, second rounders and third rounders. The Rangers have been absolutely dreadful after the second and third rounds.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:09 pm EST

Nash IMO, will be making an unadvised comeback. Dorsett is retired and Erixon is in the minors, but still playing.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:06 pm EST

Newfie... Nash, Brassard, Holden, Gaborik, Dorsett... the GREAT Tim Erixon too.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:58 pm EST

With the Expansion Draft being in 2021... here is a protection list off the top of my head. Assume we trade Hayes and Zuccarello. I'm going to also assume we sign Panarin :) ....Exempt: Shestyorkin, Kravtsov, Rykov... Also: 2018-2020 draft picks ....Protected List: ....FORWARDS.... Chytil, Andersson, Howden, Kreider, Z-Bad, Buch, Panarin* .....D-Men... Pionk, Skjei, Lindgren ....Goalie.... Georgiev ...Exposed for the Draft: Fast, Vesey, Fogarty, Gettinger, Ronning ....Hajek, Claesson.... Halverson, Nell... I will guess we lose either Fast or Vesey.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:57 pm EST

Geez.....Dubinski and Callahan.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:56 pm EST

Just watching the TB Rangers and it got me to thinking who is no longer here (for various reasons) and still playing...……..Stralman, Girardi, Mcdonagh, Yandle, Moore and DelZotto……....................….Stepan, Boyle, Hagelin, Miller, Staal, and Grabner and Anisimov………..…….did I miss anyone ?

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:37 pm EST

Hospo and others The rangers as an organization have never (last 55 years) prioritized having tough physical players who could play. Tough players you wanted on the ice. They always have had a designated fighter or two, and assumed that was all that was needed. Not like the Bruins, Canadiens and the Flyers who had a designated fighter and then a team stocked with guys who would fight if needed. Its not important to win fights, it is important to have guys willing to fight in the corners and in front of the net. I remember when Kreider first came up and Lucic tried to muscle him and Kreider just grabbed Lucic and moved him. Lucic was stunned. I noticed that Lucic never molested Kreider again. For all the opposing fan hate for Kreider, no one in the league seems to want to f*** with him. They just leave him alone. If Krieder was brought up by the Bruins, Can Neely and Terry O'Reilly would have both sat down with him and told him what he needed to do to become the superstar he should now be. Just like they explained it to Lucic when he was brought up. Instead we had f*** AV talking to Kreider about being shorthanded when he drilled someone too hard. Hadfield was traded for to be a fighter but he was put on Ratelle's line to protect Gilbert and Ratelle and he would score 20 a year in front of the net off of Gilbert, Park and Ratelle shots. Then he learned to control his slapshot and scored 50. Messier was drafted by edmonton in 3rd round as an enforcer. Messier first 3 years in the league he was one of the meanest bastards in the game. The Ranger organization has been oblivious to all this. You need to gather as many of these guys that you can. They have promise to develop and bring you a cup. The Spooners, Namestovs, Nedveds etc not so much. I had hoped Gorton, coming from Boston would change things, not sure. It seems that Quinn understands these things. BTW Keenan understood this that's why we at least have one Cup.

Ratelle1967


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:30 pm EST

Stepunmytoe - Might as well cut ANDERSSON'S Achilles tendon putting him on a dung heap like that.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:29 pm EST

Andrei... You are probably right. I was thinking they might do the team a solid a la Kane/Toews ....MF... Horton doesn't matter one way or the other. They can exceed the cap by his cap hit. I already cheated and added to their cap number.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:29 pm EST

Re: SPRONG - Ducks got a pretty darn good deal. PETTERSSON is a decent blueliner, but he doesn't really have any huge upside. Sprong certainly does. I don't really know what happened with him in Pittsburgh...he was shredding the AHL last season and it looked like the Pens had scored another star in the making...but he must have pissed on Sully's shoes or something, because he couldn't get off fourth line. The Pens were skating gutter trash on the top two lines and still keeping Sprong buried on fourth...Ducks walk away with a real diamond in the rough...and a player who hasn't reached his 22nd birthday...Pettersson equivalent on the Rangers would have been CLAESSSON, though he's four years older.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:22 pm EST

Rhet: thank you x3...... Can they trade Horton? I'm interested for the right return...

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:19 pm EST

Good lord. I keep hearing Ranger fans bellyaching about the HAGELIN deal and how GROPP being sent to the ECHL is evidence of how bad it was...well...folks, look what Anaheim got in the deal and get back to me about how bad it was. Allow me to give you a hint before you zip off to hockeydb.com: NOTHING. ZIPPO. ZILCH. Ducks traded away a former first rounder and a second rounder and they ended up with abso-positively nothing...I mean, if we really want to split hairs, I guess you could say they got a NCAA backup goalie...there's a chance the kid they got with the sixth rounder turns his career around(bit of irony: Garret METCALF got beaten out of his starter's position by Ranger prospect Tyler WALL and ended up sitting out last season after he transferred to Mercyhurst...where he's the backup)...Anyway...Was the Gropp pick good? No. Is Gropp a bust? Maybe. But this constant refrain about how bad that deal was is simply BS. Totally false narrative. If anything, the deal was a push.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:18 pm EST

Rhet, Matthews will get $12.5. He won’t sign for less, nor he should. In the Canadien city that takes over 50% in taxes, you have take every penny you can get.

andrei


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:08 pm EST

Scratch that... it's looking like the 2021-22 season. That means the draft will be 2021. That kind of screws us, but we'll finally be done with Hank and Staals contracts by then. Of course, we will also have to protect most of our best young players by then too.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 8:00 pm EST

Expansion draft in 2020.... per Darren Dreger Verified account @DarrenDreger ..... No one will confirm on record...that will happen tomorrow, but Seattle is expected to begin play in 2021.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:49 pm EST

Also: It doesn't matter what point of the summer you sign a player, it's not going to save you enough to be worthwhile.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:44 pm EST

MF... Gardiner is already figured into the amount I mentioned. He is an UFA at the end of this season. Their offseason totally depends on what they get Matthews and Marner to sign at. I'm thinking $10.5 mil each long term. Anything less will be a coup. If so, that will leave them roughly $10-11 mil. to sign another 8 or 9 players. I think some of their near-ready defensive prospects will get the first crack at making the lineup. If they moved Marleau, they'd probably be fine.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:37 pm EST

Big is not about height, it’s about balls.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:20 pm EST

Check that: They should have $25,250,000 - $25,750,000 AFTER resigning Hainsey and replacing Gardiner with a $1mill Cap Hit.... Bet they'd take 3rd Pair RHS D'man ROMAN POLAK back in a heartbeat.. He commands $1.25-$1.5 mill....

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:16 pm EST

Rhet: "IF" they replace D'man Gardner currently at $4mill with a $1mill D man, and resign HAINSEY at $3mill, they'll have approx $29,750,000..... Then when they get creative with the signing bonuses and whatever they do on the 1st year salaries or Marner & Matthews to soften the Cap Hit throughout, they'll be fine.... Besides, couldn't they agree in principle and not sign these two until further into the summer to soften the hit ??? (I ask because I don't know) thanks

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 7:04 pm EST

MF... It helps, but it will still be tight. That's with them being able to exceed the cap by Horton's $5.3 mil. They basically need to sign 10 people(including Matthews and Marner) with approx. $32.024 mil with M&M taking up roughly 2/3rd's of that number. I would expect them to trade Marleau by this summer the latest.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:43 pm EST

I guess Toronto is going to get everyone "under-cap" after all....

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:41 pm EST

CPALegs: thats an increase right around 4.4% correct?

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:33 pm EST

NHL Player Safety ‏ Verified account @NHLPlayerSafety .... Detroit’s Tyler Bertuzzi has been suspended for two games for unsportsmanlike conduct/roughing on Colorado’s Matt Calvert.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:29 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Gary Bettman says salary cap projection for next season is around $83 million.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:21 pm EST

http://chl.ca/article/30-chl-players-named-to-canadas-national-junior-team-selection-camp

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:53 pm EST

WHAT THE CHUCK???? ...per Philadelphia Flyers ‏ Verified account @NHLFlyers ... OFFICIAL: Chuck Fletcher has been named Executive Vice President and General Manager of the Philadelphia Flyers.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:51 pm EST

WILD... That was then, this is now. They probably should have paid closer attention to this scouting report.... "The status quo on Gropp is a player who at times looks like a future impact winger for an NHL squad, but also goes through stretches where he doesn't dominate and produce at a high enough level to make scouts confident he will become that impact NHL winger." ...His fourth season since he was drafted and he looks to be a long-term project more than anything else.... Also, It would not be surprising to see the NYR not offer him a new contract after his current one expires.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:41 pm EST

RF4L: in his last junior season? He increased his point total 14 points over the year before....not sure there was any sign in that to make one think the Rangers were unhappy...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:27 pm EST

And not sure on here who criticized the Gropp pick when it occurred. I know I didn't - I didn't know anything about the kid at the time. What I did criticize and Rhet already referenced it, is the trade Sather made to land the pick that was used to select Gropp. It was stupid at the time and now that Gropp's prospects are headed for the dumper, it looks even stupider.

rF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:24 pm EST

Guaranteed the Rangers are unhappy with Gropp's lack of development. Signs of that started the first junior season after he was picked and have continued on. The statistics are there in black and white: Most draft picks never pan out and that stat doesn't preclude the kids picked by the Rangers. It's why continually trading away picks vs keeping them or better yet, accumulating them, is a short-sighted strategy.

rF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:09 pm EST

this is from a pre draft write up out here in Colorado...."If the Avalanche are lucky enough to have Gropp still available at 71st overall, he would be a steal of epic proportions on draft day. Even at 40th overall, it would be a justifiable selection to call Gropp's name." The Rangers grabbed him at 41....this was not some crazy raft selection like many people try to make it out to be. He was a second round pick, he was a player expected to go somewhere 40-50 in the draft....the Rangers had him ranked right where most team likely had him ranked...some people have revisionist history and act like the Rangers reached for this guy somehow.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 5:03 pm EST

WILD....I'm not going to say that he'll never make the NHL, but he will never be good enough to justify what we gave up for him/where we picked him. He's fallen way down on the depth chart this season and you have to wonder if his path to the NHL is better suited with another organization.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:53 pm EST

Rhet: The people i know out there who are really hockey smart dudes say they are surprised hew assent down...I have a hard time writing off a kid in his second pro year, and last year he netted 14 goals, 10 of those at even strength....that doesn't happen by accident. He is on pace this season (across a full season) to have only half the goals from last year, but almost as many points, so a much better production assist wise....the people I know say he looks better and is playing better than his points totals. Perhaps this sending down thing is to get his confidence up to see if his production will reach his efforts. But again, second pro season? I dont think any kid should be written off that quickly...now if he doesn't improve during this season, and in camp next season he doesn't look like he has taken a step...at that point you can start to say he will never develop...but not yet...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:44 pm EST

Gawd...the Blues are just getting hammered by injuries....I think they may have a sell off of sorts this season, they will be going no place cup wise....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:37 pm EST

Let's just write off GROPP now.... per WhalePack™ ‏ @WhalePack.... "Ryan Gropp, Terrence Wallin Headed to Maine of ECHL | Hartford Wolf Pack"... http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/ryan-gropp-terrence-wallin-headed-to-maine-of-echl

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:34 pm EST

James Mirtle ‏ Verified account @mirtle .... Nylander says he has assurance from Dubas he won't be traded while he's the GM.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:20 pm EST

E: ANDERSON must have missed breakfast when they weighed him. The NYR website has him at 204 lbs & 6'1" .... https://www.nhl.com/player/lias-andersson-8480072

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:14 pm EST

WILD: Lias is cut from the cloth of a PF however. He is a big dude. He is sub 6' true. But if memory serves me right he was 205 at draft. He is real barrel chested. He can play big because he is. I think the rough and tumble style of play that he had in Jr. will materialize in the NHL. Jagr has and incredibly powerful lower body.

E


Mon Dec 3 2018 4:01 pm EST

Saw a sign on another site for a restaurant called "Uncle Daddy's" which says "We treat you like family...'cause you just might be". Perhaps a Marty-hater? :)

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:45 pm EST

Hospo: Exactly. They need to be more aggressive with their size. It's funny, Anderson shows more aggression than guys who are bigger....its not to say that Kreider, Hayes, ZBad, Staal, and others dont use their size, its just they use it differently. Jagr was that way, he used his size, but he didn't go around aggressively with his size but he used it...Kreider is that way, (not to say he is Jagr please dont take it as that) he makes it hard for the other team to play against him just by being big, and being strong on his skates, makes them work hard. Its better than having a guy who is smaller and lighter, but you need some of those aggressive guys with that size, thats what can change a game, change the momentum and make the other team have to adjust how they defend a line.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:39 pm EST

Rangers havent't been physically small for quite a few years..Unfortunately, it's often the size of the fight in the dog not the size of the dog in the fight..That's where the Rangers have failed..They definitely could use some mad dog in them..

Hospo


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:28 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... TOR promised Leivo when signed that if he were to fall out of lineup with limited opportunity to get back in, they would move him to a more favourable situation.Bob McKenzie added,

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:25 pm EST

Seems like everyone was waiting for the Nylander situation to settle...makes sense of course. Now some trades and movement are starting up. Will be interesting the next few weeks to see how teams react to others they are competing for position with making changes.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:21 pm EST

Don't tell TD.... PER Jason Mackey ‏ Verified account @JMackeyPG .... Penguins confirm trade Sprong for defenseman Marcus Pettersson.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:17 pm EST

according to https://theathletic.com/210035/2018/01/12/sizing-up-the-nhl-2017-18-nhl-teams-by-age-height-and-weight/ the Rangers are 8th in both hight and weight in the NHL....so top 3rd of the NHL in size and weight. They are not "small" by any stretch. Issue at times is that they are not aggressive with their size. Now being big and heavy has its advantages even if you dont go aggressively using that, its harder to play against big guys, its takes more energy when your along the boards, take more engird to push them off the puck, you have to hit a little harder to move them, all that stuff. They could use a guy who is big and aggressive and can play on the top 6....Kreider with more aggression is what I mean. Lucic when he was still playing like a top 6 forward, Bertuzzi in his prime...those guys are not easy to find.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 3:04 pm EST

Per BROOKS.... That’s going to be a tough one, folks. There is no dispute of Park’s greatness as a Ranger, during which time he was a first-team NHL All-Star three times, a second-team All-Star twice, and runner-up four times (to Bobby Orr) for the Norris Trophy and a third-place finisher once. And that was accomplished within his seven full seasons in New York.... Ah, but there’s the rub. Park played only 465 games as a Ranger — curious that when he appeared on the ice he was given his No. 2 with an “A” on it even though he followed Hadfield as captain — until he was sent to Boston on the Nov. 7, 1975, day of darkness. None of the 10 players immortalized by the organization played fewer than Giacomin’s 539. None of the eight skaters played fewer than Mark Messier’s 698.... https://nypost.com/2018/12/03/whos-next-now-that-rangers-honored-vic-hadfield/

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:56 pm EST

STEP: Are you kidding? TD's head would explode if the Rangers iced that 4th line....

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:56 pm EST

BTW, I wanted to mention this "our skill is our hard work" mantra we are hearing. Yes, I want them to be a hard working team, but it is the lack of skill which requires a high level of consistent hard work to even compete. I have to believe that by mid-season this team will start to wear down both physically and mentally. It's one thing to get excited at the new coach and system, but as the reality of no POs settles in mentally and the bodies get a bit more banged up it becomes harder and harder to push yourselves to work hard (especially as they know that we'll be trading away some more of the limited skill players and the losses continue to mount up). I know they are professionals but nobody likes going to work when things are going poorly...

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:50 pm EST

I want a 4th line of Belesky-Lias-McCleod

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:48 pm EST

The average height of the Winnipeg Jets is 6.175 feet vs. the average height of the NYR which is 6.158 feet. The Jets have four forwards above the League height average(6'1"). They are Laine(6'5"), Lowry(6'5"), Wheeler(6'5") and Scheifele (6'3"). Everyone else is 6'1" or smaller. The NYR have Hayes(6'5"), Gettinger (6'6"). Buch(DNP), Fogarty, Kreider, Howden, Vesey are all 6'3", Z-Bad, Chytil and McLeod are 6'2". Everyone else is 6'1" or smaller .....On Defense... the Jets have Byfuglien(DNP-6'5"), Myers (6'8"), Chariot (6'3"), Trouba (6'3") and Schilling (6'2")... The NYR defense has McQuaid (DNP-6'4"), Staal (6'4"), Skjei(6'3"), Smith (6'2"). The NYR aren't small by any stretch.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:34 pm EST

I wish the nyr would get big rough and tumble hockey players

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:32 pm EST

Bob there’s still a few $million to be made by making the playoffs.....

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:18 pm EST

I remember when the Garden lost money on the Rangers if they missed the playoffs. Those days are surely gone since the cap and the renovation. Clubs like the Rangers make $ hand over fist these days.

Bob


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:42 pm EST

TD...just saw tour post and I was thinking the same thing: Leivo would be an upgrade over Lettireri...

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:40 pm EST

Little disappointed that Josh Leivo got moved for a prospect considered as a fringe NHLer and the Rangers aren't involved. Big winger who's got decent hands..

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:37 pm EST

Looking forward, as it stands right now we have 1st, 2 2nd (from TBL becomes a 1st if they win the Cup) and then 1 pick in each additional rounds 3,4,5,6,7, https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2019/

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:21 pm EST

The ONLY thing the Rangers' management has done better then the Jets' management is sign UFA college kids and Internationals. Where would this team be today if they weren't able to sign MZA, HAYES, VESEY, PIONK and GEORGIEV???

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:16 pm EST

WILD: Do you really want me to go back an illustrate the stupid trades, bad draft picks and contract signings the Rangers made over the last 7 years???? As for going back to the Atlanta days, they absolutely count. The team moved, it wasn't redone from expansion. They still have guys on that roster that played for them in Atlanta.

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:15 pm EST

LEIVO: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8688

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:09 pm EST

The Leafs have traded Josh LEIVO to Vancouver for minor league winger Mike CARCONE. Leivo is/was pretty highly regarded. There were rumors last year that they were dangling him as part of a package for McDONAGH. Not sure if there was any truth to it or not. Nevertheless, this is another guy I would have taken a flyer on, especially given the price: A young free agent signee who is having a good season in the AHL...my guess is we could have e gotten him for LETTIERI...oh well.

tdchi


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:07 pm EST

VIC: agree, we are a multitude of levels below the JETS in several area's... Hank pegged (no pun intended) it, the Jets owned the Rangers, who were fortunate enough to convert on the few opportunities they got.... I'm glad ZUCC was Not in the game (healthy or not) .... Too bad Namestni-Soft couldn't play, he needs a wake up call, we're trading him anyway...... Back to the Rangers: Tear this Ol House to the studs, this house has good bones, someone here stated, "Wash, Rinse, Re-peat" well if we rip it down and add BUNDLE we may be able to get the best Talent in a particular trade, and that's what I'd like to Emphasize... In slightly other words; Try to make trades where we acquire a player who has the most upside in said trade..... A NYLANDER trade would have met that criteria.....

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:41 pm EST

Vic: Not sure what you think Peg has done so much better than the Rangers over the last handful of years since Peg has been back in the NHL. It's not quite fair to reach back to the ATL days since so much got changed over when they moved....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:37 pm EST

E: I'll answer that by saying that they aren't a template to be followed. Why? Because this rebuild has been going on since 1999. And before last year they had not won a playoff series since the Rangers eliminated them in the Spring 0f 2007. They haven't won a Cup with this team. And while SCHIEFELE is a really good player he hasn't shown himself to be an elite player that can outplay the likes of CROSBY, TOEWS, MATTHEWS, etc. in a playoff series. He was a #7 overall pick that the Jets hit a home run on for sure. But he hasn't won a Cup yet as the #1 Center of that team. As for the rest of the team, they have done an outstanding job of drafting and trading over the last 5 to 7 years to get where they are today. A record that destroys the Rangers front office in every way. The Rangers front office has as much chance of duplicating that success as I do of becoming the next President of the US. And with all of that the Jets have still yet to win a Cup. Lets see if they can do that this year or not.

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:31 pm EST

E: They have a single top 5 of their own, and a couple top 10s (7th and 9th I think) the rest are later 1st rounders and later of their own. WHEELER of course an acquisition is a 5th overall pick. But thats it. Lots of picks in the area the Rangers have been picking (middle of the rounds) some luck with later picks...It is something that the Rangers could do. Just need one top pick really, maybe two. If Kravtsov really becomes the steal of the draft as some "experts" have said since draft day he could be a talent equal to a top 5 pick. Get another one this year, and with the others guys that are good young players (Chytil, Anderson, Howden the prospects on D, "older" guys like ZBad, Kreider) you have the makings of a really good team that can compete. If the Jets are a serious contender, the Rangers could be as well. Now I dont know if any of the kids they have will light it up like Laine, and that may be the difference....but only time will tell.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:19 pm EST

Vic....uhhhh...no....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:18 pm EST

A template to be followed no?

E


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:17 pm EST

WILD: Your real name wouldn't happen to be THERESE ANDERSSON would it????

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:17 pm EST

Someone can correct me but looking at that lineup of the Jets the only top-5 I can think of is Laine. Everyone else was good drafting, development and acquisitions.

E


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:11 pm EST

Vic: Hank wants to play for one team....the Rangers...its not just about living in NYC, it's about playing for the Rangers, the only team he has played for, and he wants to finish with the NYR, and wants it to be his only team.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:51 am EST

Dustin Tokarski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5s11NAM7vI

mf


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:47 am EST

TLATS and RF4L: Oh, I'm sure the Jets had to be looking at HANK last night and wondering what their chances would be to win the Cup with him in net. For sure, that is their one weakness. I wouldn't even be surprised if they called GORTON just to see if it was something the Rangers would be interested it considering. But they would need to talk HANK into wanting to win a Cup more then he wants to live in Manhattan for a few years. Apparently once you leave NYC you can never move back and live there when your career is over. Must be some law that BLOOMBERG or DEBLASIO enacted.....

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:18 am EST

Another thing. I can't understand how anybody could watch that game and not see the disparity in those two teams. The Jets are not just on another level compared to the Rangers in almost every way (Size, skill, physicality, etc.).....they are multiple levels beyond where the Rangers could ever hope to get to with this roster. And that includes the futures that I can foresee for CHEETOS, HOWDEN and ANDERSSON. When those guys hit their full potential I could see them as depth players on a team like what the Jets have right now. That is how far away I see the Rangers roster. And why I desperately want to blow it up and go for top draft picks. I honestly believe that is the FASTEST way for the Rangers to become and relevant playoff team again that can compete for a Cup with teams like the Jets. So when people describe that route as a "long and painful rebuild" my answer is "as opposed to what?". Because if the Rangers hold onto their vets and try to "retool" we are going to go through a very long period of at best a mediocre to good playoff bubble teams for the foreseeable future (meaning 10+ years). That is a lot longer and a lot more painful to me then a rebuild through the draft. I don't get angry with you guys who disagree with me on this. Because in the end I know we all want the same thing. We just disagree on how best to get there. And, of course, none of knows if Cablevision even cares about winning a Cup. They probably do from the standpoint that they would love it if a Cup fell down and hit them in the head. But they aren't willing to invest in a rebuild to actively try to win a Cup through the draft.

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:08 am EST

We've discussed this previously but after a game like that one I cannot help but wonder if Lundqvist's enthusiastism for backstopping a revuild will eventually wane. It has to. I think it's more a matter of when vs if...

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 11:06 am EST

Good discussion this morning. Just reflecting on the organization and its ownership history I remember thinking that Paramount and Viacom both ran the Rangers with class. And I never questioned if they were truly interesting in winning a Cup or just going after playoff dollars. Since the Rangers have been owned by Cablevision I can't say the same things. While you could certainly argue that they are doing a better job in the last few years of trying to restore some of the class/pride in the organization, I still can't help but question the motives. When people say "you can't rebuild in New York" I don't think that is because the fans can't handle a rebuild. I think it is because everyone knows that Cablevision can't handle a rebuild. The thought of the loss of playoff revenue, ticket sales, concession sales, and merchandise mean more to Dolan and Cablevision then any possible good that comes from winning a Cup. So as much as I have been hoping and praying for a rebuild through top draft picks I have always been a pessimist about it actually happening.....and I still am. It would be so easy for the Rangers to do this the right way right now. I've already laid out the roadmap many times of how it could be done already this season. But it hasn't happened so far, and I won't be holding my breath that GORTON is going to make those moves.

Vic


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:51 am EST

The Jeta FWOW are built primarily thru the draft. Most of their key players are home grown.

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:33 am EST

Ranger47 - Good stuff also..Yes, you see the Jets, the Caps and a few other trams and it is obvious how far the Rangers are away from truly competing for the CUp....How the Rangers want to try and get back there and what is the time table? Only Gordo knows..And yes, this is a faster game now with less an emphasis on size and strength.. but size and speed together is a lethal combo that is not easy to put together..

Hospo


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:28 am EST

LIMBO - Good stuff...We are fans here...We want different things for our own personal reasons/viewpoints..And we all think we know what's best far too often..but we are not GMs...Gordo has the 5 year contract and the White Flag letter in his back pocket...Both would say he has the go ahead and completely rebuild without repercursions....But does he? Is that what the people above him want him to do? again, who he trades over the next 8 months will be the bell weather..

Hospo


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:25 am EST

And while I no we are in a different era with more watered down teams, the GAG line is probably indicative of what's needed to win a Cup. The only year that line and team made it to a Finals (which they lost) was '71-72 when for the only time 11 scored 50 goals and 7 and 19 scored more than 40 each in an era of low-scoring games. I agree with those on this board who are saying it's almost impossible to win without top 5 draft picks. Or, more accurately, to win a Cup without having at least one (and generally more than one) Hall of Fame caliber player. Ours is Henrik - who is nearing the end of his career - with no one else in sight. Not to be doom and gloom, but I think last night (both from a reflection on the past as well as looking at the Jest rebuild) reminds us why we need an aggressive rebuild rather than a retool.

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:21 am EST

Not surprising with six days off.... New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled Dustin Tokarski from @WolfPackAHL and assigned Matt Beleskey, Alexandar Georgiev, and Vinni Lettieri to the Wolf Pack.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:17 am EST

Third, I kept thinking "where is our rebuild Vic Hadfield" in terms of size, toughness and scoring touch? Probably what we would need to win a Cup. Nowhere to be seen as far as I can tell. And, even if we could draft one (would Hughes or someone else in the next draft be Hadfield-like?) We still have far to go. More...._

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:13 am EST

Second, having watched the growth of the GAG line in my late teens it was quite moving to watch last night's ceremony. I also go back to previous generation of players - so it was great to see them as well. Park's #2 belongs up there with Leetch's.

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:09 am EST

Well said Hospo. I have a few reflections on last night. The best team obviously won last night despite Henrik's heroics. The Jets are constructed to go deep into the playoffs with their size, speed and offensive forecheck and scoring which will wear down most another team in a series. What they need hoist the Cup would be replacing Hellebuck with someone like Henrik (wink wink). Of all the teams we've faced I think they showed how far away we are from being a truly competitive PO team.

Ranger47


Mon Dec 3 2018 10:08 am EST

Just some random musings. I might have mentioned, but I had 2 family members work pretty high up in the Garden hierarchy for many years. Back before the cap and pre-Dolan play thing, the Garden (and it's parent companies) would literally have in the their budget a minimum of 2 playoff rounds per year. The talk about can a NYR rebuild be stomached is kind of interesting given the that. Of course everyone wants the cup every year. But realistically, you can say that for many years, the marching orders was get those damn 2 rounds. What does that mean in the cap/Dolan era? I have a feeling not much has changed. I just don't think it's in the NYR DNA to go the CHI/PIT/NJD route. Look at the recent years when we sucked: we had 99, we had Bure, we brought Mess back, we had Lindros, kept Leetch/Ricky until they were useless. So even when we sucked, we still tried. On our last purge, we still kept Jagr. That's why I'd be shocked if NYR goes full tank mode...ever. They never really have. Wash...Rinse....Repeat....

limbo


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:49 am EST

Comparing NYR to CHI. CHI missed playoffs 9 of 10, but 2 really stinky years to draft 2 stud forwards to lead them to cup glory. NYR missed the playoffs for 7 straight, but no real stinkers (again, typical for NYR). No stud forwards, no cup glory.

limbo


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:47 am EST

NYStranger…..….yes, and I thought the league was getting smaller and faster,so much for that, apparently WPG "didn't get the memo". They are so big and so fast. Makes you wonder about building through the draft ,doesn't it ? By the time we pick up some guys like that ,the trend will probably change again.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:39 am EST

RF4L - really great run. Miss the playoffs 9 of 10. Next year lose in conf finals, Next year the cup. For their 7 year run: 3 cups and 2 conf finals. Wow. I have no doubts they will suck again for a few years. But I would not be shocked if, after they draft their studs, they go on another tear.

limbo


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:05 am EST

Rhet...agreed MZA to Boston makes sense. Also wouldn't be surprised to see Kane moved. Hawks had their (great) run; now they'll probably rebuild the right way.

RF4l


Mon Dec 3 2018 9:04 am EST

Hospo the McLeod thing proves the Rangers desperate need to draft/ find/trade for agitators that can play a regular shift. Never seems to be the priority in NY. The size difference between The Jets and Rangers is appalling. Like watching a bunch of karate students go up against a herd of gladiators.

NYStranger


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:36 am EST

Maybe Winnipeg makes a play for Hank and they are trying to butter him up-"If you're a Rangers season ticket holder, you kind of are used to it I guess but that was a special night." -- #GoJetsGo? ? coach Paul Maurice on #NYR? ? goalie Henrik Lundqvist

tlats


Mon Dec 3 2018 6:32 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/12/03/whos-next-now-that-rangers-honored-vic-hadfield/

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 3 2018 2:06 am EST

Not that it means anything, but this is the same guy that reported the Nylander deal the morning of.... "Per NHL league sources, the Buffalo Sabres are trying very hard to acquire Patrick Kane. It is believed they have an offer on the table of Sam Reinhart, Kyle Okposo, Alex Nylander, Brendan Guhle, and a first round pick pick - likely the Sharks pick. More to come."

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 3 2018 1:08 am EST

Newfie....I am a Charlestown Chiefs fan.......Dave's a killer!

tradestar28


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:33 am EST

CM - Dont think I remember LAIDLAW with many hipchecks but I do remember a few from DAVE FARRSIH...even Ron HARRISS threw a few...Also, I remmber the Rangers aquiring big hip checkers like Doug Jarret from the Hawks and Capt. Crunch Gilles Marotte from the Kings..Both were limp oodles for the Rangers..Speaking of LAIDLAW..rmemebr the short lived pairing of LAIDLAW-KOSTOPOLOUS..two tough hombres

Hospo


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:19 am EST

MC- I think Tom Laidlaw was a pretty good hipchecker. And Kaspar had a few. Short lived Ranger: Curt Giles with that low center of gravity.

ColoradoMark


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:15 am EST

PJ - Yeah, guys like The King and Staal know the score and it bothers them (as it should)..and then you have guys like Capt. Kirk and ZBAD deluding themselves about how well the team played and fought the past few nghts (or six for that matter);..DQ needs to demand more from these guys..Hopefully, in time..Speaking about The Losing bothering The KIng..how come peopel werent getting on Geogiev last nigth for beeing mad and showiing up his team liek they do with THe KIng?..Also, if the losing contines for another few months (not saying it will) maybe The King reconsiders a trade option??

Hospo


Mon Dec 3 2018 12:05 am EST

Well I certainly get the feeling the loss bothered me more than the Rangers...

PJ


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:49 pm EST

And that's 5 losses out of six games without Cody McLeod..I think the litmus configuration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHDMn_ogRHU) is pretty clear..:)

Hospo


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:36 pm EST

Plain and simple, the Rangers were bludgeoned by a very good team but still got an unwanted point point because of a heroic Henrik and some opportunisitc offense (which they need to have every night!!)..Hopefully they use this week to get healthy and smarter and rememebr how to play like a hungry teaam agaain.....In the meantime, just thinking about the that rebuild/retool dead horse.... IFFF the Rangers/GORDO want to tank or quit or lose for Hughes or whatever you guys want to call it, given their contracts and/or pending UFA,the trades of SMith, Zucc, Namestnikov and even Hayes wont net all that much to make a difference..The guys that will are KREIDER, ZBAD, The KING (their best player by far), SKJEI (despite his troubles) and one player that any Cup hopeful would love, Jasper FAST..Trading those guys will signal a long tank aand rebuiod that many want...otherwise they will still be looking to be competitive as they retool...Next few minths should be interesting

Hospo


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:31 pm EST

Rangers coach David Quinn, who benched Smith for the rest of the game after his penalty, said he didn’t think the penalty was the game’s turning point. “Maybe a little bit, psychologically, because we had a 3-0 lead,’’ he said. “But we were very opportunistic, and our goalie was outstanding from the drop of the puck, so, maybe, but that’s one heckuva hockey team. Probably the best team we’ve seen all year.’’

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:28 pm EST

NEWFIE and E: To be clear, he didn't call SMITH out by name. But he did point to the penalty at the start of the 3rd as the reason the game turned. Normally in that situation when asked the rest of the team will say stuff like, "sure that hurt, but we still had a two goal lead and were in control of the game"....or "we made so many other mistakes throughout the game that you can't point to just one thing or one play". STAAL, HANK and ZBAD didn't do that. Which leads me to believe that SMITH may have lost the confidence of his teammates. If that is the case you can expect him to be gone soon. Maybe even waived as early as tomorrow and sent to Hartford if unclaimed.

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:21 pm EST

Staal is so careful with his words that when he calls out someone that is pretty big. Yikes...

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:16 pm EST

VIC... They were certainly the better team(even in the first two periods), but to say that they owned us in those first two periods? I don't know if I would go there (I guess it depends on your definition). There were things that we did right. After all, we were up 3-0. Z-Bad is putting a positive spin on things(must be a glass is half full kind of guy). At least he didn't throw Smith under the bus.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:50 pm EST

Vic.....that's not sounding good for Smith....I don't mind Hank (that's normal)but Staal ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:48 pm EST

tradestar…...are you actually a Ranger fan ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:48 pm EST

RIP Ken Berry aka Capt Parmenter...this one's for you steveie. ;^{

NYStranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:34 pm EST

And what is ZBAD smoking??? He played well tonight but for him to say that he thought they were playing well in general tonight is just nuts. HANK put it best when he said "They owned us all game". That was a blowout in every way except the score.

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:22 pm EST

Shocking how STAAL and HANK both threw SMITH under the bus in the post game interviews. You never see that. Is it possible that SMITH has played his last game as a Ranger???

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:19 pm EST

Rhet: Trade Zucc, Namestnikov, Smith, Hank, Shatt, Skjei & Hayes if need be although I like both, we will get slaughtered "Like the Lambs" after the trade deadline, and then we lose for EWE's........ And I still don't buy that we can't get BOUCHARD...

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:17 pm EST

Yeah Newfie....I will look into the history and traditions of one Cup in 78 years as I scan the Brad Park era

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:14 pm EST

NM... I got you.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:14 pm EST

MF... What are you talking about???

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:13 pm EST

Quinn Postgame.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1069423440833249286

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:12 pm EST

Lose for EWE's.... Clarisse, The Lambs Clarisse....

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:11 pm EST

Rhet: yes. NYLANDER wasn't getting us a cup this season....

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:07 pm EST

STEVIE: I was expecting zero points tonight. HANK stole a point. Now I'm disappointed.....

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:05 pm EST

That was a rope a dope where the Jets strangled them with the rope and the NYR got up with a face like a pumpkin and asked the ref, "am I still alive???" "yes you are and you even got a point." I guess that was the game plan??? Ugh... Killed for Kakko ... Crapped on for Cozens ...throttled for Throttle... Lose for Hughes...

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:58 pm EST

MF.... I still think they trade him. We just have to be patient :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:58 pm EST

Trade-m-all

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:57 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 3m #NYR Coach Quinn talks about the plan for these upcoming days without a game including getting back to “blocking and tackling.”

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:56 pm EST

Rhet: thanks for the update, obviously PhishPie didn't have the TRADERATOR with him... IF Toronto can't get under the Cap, perhaps there will be an opportunity to trade for the kid after the season, we an only hope...

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:56 pm EST

RF4L.... Maybe even Zucc.... Speaking of Zucc, he was on the ice tonight wearing a #11 jersey for the ceremony. I have to believe he will be back for our next game(in 8 days).

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:53 pm EST

So who are the Rangers scouting in Boston? Gotta figure Hayes is on the Bruins' radar. And perhaps a d-man.

rF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:46 pm EST

Well at least fishpie tried to get nylander. That should tell you he’s trying not tanking.

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:43 pm EST

Playing 5 d not a great concept trying to hold onto a lead. But the coach is allowed to lose a game as much as anyone else with just cause. Guess Shea is back in next game if he’s not injured. When mcquaid comes back , Smith could be traveling wherever fishpie decides to send him .

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:41 pm EST

Netman.... (Weclome BTW).... Look at it this way... thank god it wasn't SKJEI, I don't think the kid could take anymore :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:40 pm EST

Mf... This makes me sad..... per Jimmy Murphy ‏ Verified account @MurphysLaw74 .... Hearing #NYR were very involved in potential trades for #WilliamNylander. I also can tell you they have had multiple scouts at #NHLBruins games for last month. #TIFWIW

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:39 pm EST

Taking that kind of penalty with the dreaded 3 goal lead was tough to watch but I do feel bad for Smith because I like him as a player and that penalty most likely cost the Rangers the game on a big night. This may haunt him forever.

Netman


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:36 pm EST

Top Minutes... Pionk... 25:32.... Claesson... 24:21 ....Vesey... 23:51..... on another note.... Smith only played 10:15 tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:34 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Follow Follow @BrettCyrgalis More Lundqvist on if the first goal of the third period changed the momentum: “Momentum? Not sure what game you were watching. They owned us.” #NYR lose a 3-0 third-period lead and fall 4-3 in the shootout.

RDW


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:27 pm EST

Look at the bright side, they got 1 point instead of none ... Lowe your expectations and you won’t get too disappointed

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:17 pm EST

Wild.. I would think it would be common sense that I was talking about standing up for a teammate. That has been the biggest criticism by NYR fans for years. It's a moot point because that is not the case here. If he had an issue with Tanev, he should've picked his spot. and waited for him moment to level him(without getting a call). What good does multiple cross checks do? Nothing. He lost his cool and it cost us.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:14 pm EST

tradestar28..…..I give a shit about Brad Park......it's called team History and Tradition, you should look into it.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:09 pm EST

There are good penalties. Like stopping a goal. For me there are acceptable penalties like sticking up for a teammate. Then there are bad penalties like lazy play, poor technique and being pissed off that someone has checked you clean but hard. We are WINNING the game but Smiths ego and lack of smarts cost us. Sure the jets scored more goals to win but why wake the sleeping giant and go short handed. I am usually patient but we have seen enough of Smith .Mcquaid can’t come back fast enough which is also sad.

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:07 pm EST

Gents: it was 3-0 Rangers end of 2, who was HAYES' defensive assignment? I didn't watch that close.

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:06 pm EST

I would have to imagine that CHYTIL would have a better move than VC. Well, at least Fil got some OT time.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:04 pm EST

Rhet.....don't get me started on Mr.Hayes……….most nights he makes me sick.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:03 pm EST

Jake: and BYFUGGENUGLIEN is out. He ain't small either

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:03 pm EST

My steam froze in the shootout. Didn't miss much, it must've been trying to spare me.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:01 pm EST

Scheifele = fuggin twat

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:01 pm EST

Scheifele = fuggin twat

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:00 pm EST

Where's old Zucc when you need him...…………...I could watch games like that all year long.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:00 pm EST

they shoulda let Brendan Smith rail road Scheifele at center ice after the SO goal after that ghey ass celebration

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:00 pm EST

Lose for Hughes!

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:00 pm EST

That Winnipeg team is real good skilled, big and hungry

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:59 pm EST

Rangers get what they deserved

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:59 pm EST

First star of the game-Brendan Smith.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:59 pm EST

That's okay Hank, it's Laine.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:58 pm EST

YEAH Z-BAD!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:58 pm EST

Laine's insane

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:57 pm EST

Sweet, ZBADDDDD

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:56 pm EST

and at the same time...if its you responding or a teammate responding its the same thing...to say one is worse or better is just dumb...a response is a response....end of story...no question...no argument...its all the exact same...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:55 pm EST

Rhet...I had said that people here want a response to a clean hit...you said if its a teammate its OK....of course I think your responding to that saying that its OK to respond if its on a teammate but not on yourself....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:54 pm EST

We don't stand a chance in the shoot out

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:54 pm EST

WILD... You know i'm talking about a cheap shot or a leveling hit on a teammate. You know that. You just want to be argumentative for no reason.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:54 pm EST

Hank earned his paycheck tonight....

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:53 pm EST

Hank is still the greatest Ranger goalie ever( well since Gump)

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:51 pm EST

Rhet: SO its fine if a guy responds to a clean hit if its on a team mate...but not himself...thats just dumb....you can either respond or not....its either good to reason, or its not....none of this stupid conditions crap....it would still have been a 2 min and still have been a PP goal against if it was someone else hit...it would still be the exact same thing...responding to a clean hit.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:49 pm EST

Smith was down on the left boards in the offensive zone. The Jets gave him a solid and clean hit and Smith went down to the ice. When the puck went down to the Rangers end Smith exacted revenge. Not sure if something happened earlier in the game but on that one shift Smith did not appreciate such a hard hit. Smith is not a smart hockey player

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:47 pm EST

WILD... If he was sticking up for a teammate it 's one thing. He lost his cool because he was hit. Team first.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:46 pm EST

And I will say this...wont be a popular opinion...but the Rangers were doing a very good job keeping them off the board....yeah Smith took a penalty they scored on...but then he was stapled to the bench...and they scored 2 more...with 5 D playing. It takes more energy form each D and the pair rotations get screwed up. That decision to send a message could have been part of why things got a little more lopsided again in the game.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:46 pm EST

One crosscheck is fine. Refs will let you have it most of the time. He crosschecked the guy 3 to,es. That is stupid. How could you call it anything different? Apparently, the coach thinks it was stupid too.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:45 pm EST

At least they made it to overtime… Don’t understand why Smith what’s allowed back on the ice… He should be banished to the farm team in Siberia

RF73


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:44 pm EST

I also find it funny how this wall has someone saying Smith is an idiot because he responded to a hit....but then there are those who say the Rangers need to respond with nastiness when there are big hits against them....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:44 pm EST

Rangers don't deserve to win this one

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:43 pm EST

Hayes has been very mediocre tonight (I'm being nice).

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:43 pm EST

Jake0104: But was there stuff form before that? You seem to be very sure about your idea that it was based on the clean hit...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:42 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trljmnV6blE

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:41 pm EST

who gives a shit about Brad Park

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:40 pm EST

I'm willing to cut Rosen some slack, but Micheletti's got to go... His daughter can stay

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:40 pm EST

Wildcard the guy that Smith cross checked had earlier on the same shift leveled Smith in the offensive zone. It was a clean hard check but Smith got his feelings hurt so he retaliated. What a freakin idiot.

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:40 pm EST

Claesson had a real nice view of that one. thanks again to Brendan Smith.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:40 pm EST

what a disgrace

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:39 pm EST

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:39 pm EST

And that's 3

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:37 pm EST

MSG announcers are annoying me a bit tonight :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:37 pm EST

Rattelle 1967: Ditto, great post down memory lane. Has any player since come close to Brad Park in taking an opponent out of the play with a "hip check and riding them into the boards with the hip?" Not even close.....

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:36 pm EST

Did they just say 5 points in 9 games for Strome since the trade? Not bad...I know he has had a few points, but wasn't really paying attention to how many vs number of games.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:36 pm EST

Sam Rosen talking about the fabulous season Jagr had when he scored 54 goals. Hey Sam, when graves scored his 52, we won the Stanley Cup! I would say that was pretty good too. Idiot.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:33 pm EST

Bob: exactamente'

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:32 pm EST

Ref let Smith have the first 2 crosschecks and called him on the 3rd.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:32 pm EST

Strome just schooled Shattenkirk on how to clear the puck from your own zone. Pay attention Kevin.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:30 pm EST

You know, Z-BAD's defensive play is barely ever talked about here.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:28 pm EST

Way too much time left. We desperately need another goal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:26 pm EST

Dumb kunt Ref loses sight of the puck for 10 seconds and doesn't blow the whistle.....The Rangers in the first 45 years of my life.....Ref loses sight of puck with opponent goalie....they blow the whistle quicker than Mia Khalifa blows OV

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:26 pm EST

That Smith cross check(s) looked nasty and angry...who did he hit there and did something happen earlier in the game? His angry style is what can make him effective, that nasty side can lead to hard defending....downside, as with most players who have that, is bad penalties at times. Not all teams are afraid of that, this Rangers team needs to be because of how young it is....anyway....just wondering if something was up between Smith and whoever he crosschecked.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:25 pm EST

YOU DON'T SEE THE F-ING PUCK, YOU BLOW THE F-ING WHISTLE!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:20 pm EST

Ratelle1967 great post. Park was great as a Ranger even better on the small ice in Boston. That trade is only matched for me with Seaver leaving the Mets. Cause like Seaver ...Park had an awful lot of good hockey left in him.

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:19 pm EST

Howden looked to be in a lot of pain.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:18 pm EST

Rhet: That was Howden

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:18 pm EST

Lou-More like Polish roulette

RF73


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:17 pm EST

Lettieri really wanted that one.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:16 pm EST

Rangers playing Russian roulette

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:15 pm EST

Hank doing his best Giacomin there

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:14 pm EST

Here we go.... who was getting their wrist sprayed on the bench?

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:13 pm EST

Hank is gonna have to win this game for us

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:13 pm EST

That's 2, with plenty of hokey left.....

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:13 pm EST

Ratelle- still remember a kid in school telling me about the espo trade. I thought it was a joke.

Puckyou


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:09 pm EST

Well, that didn't take too long... Craps gave up 6 unanswered to lose last game, maybe our rendition is about to happen. Plenty of hockey left in this one.

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:09 pm EST

I was amazed he got away with that cross check. Then he did it again and again.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:08 pm EST

PUCKYOU I second that. Park was one of the the most valuable Rangers ever. Even though the second best defenseman in hockey during his time with the Rangers and an offensive force, he would drop the gloves and be in the middle of any scrum. I was at one of his first games ever at MSG, an exhibition game against the Canadiens. There were at least 9 fights in the game, all carryover grudges from the year before. Park got 2 fighting majors and nobody knew who he was, he was in Juniors the year before. Although he was a number 2 pick, that was when 99% of NHL players came from their own sponsored junior teams. For example, Bobby Orr (and everyone else of note) was never drafted. The real open draft didn't start till 1969. Lock down defense, score, fight anyone. I simply don't know what more this guy could have done, to bring a cup to the Rangers. I get sick everytime I think of the Ratelle Park trade and the subsequent Middleton for Hodge trade , the latter done to help Esposito out who lost his protection that he enjoyed in Boston from Cashman and Hodge.

Ratelle1967


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:08 pm EST

Freakin Smith gets his feelings hurt and takes a stupid penalty

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:08 pm EST

Brendan Smith is not very bright.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:04 pm EST

20:00 Chinese Firedrill coming up.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:02 pm EST

Newfie.... Any time.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:58 pm EST

3-0 Rangers Hold on to your hats boy's

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:49 pm EST

Rhet...……..thanks for that site ……..I'm on the Jets feed and ofcourse they never coved the ceremony at all. Really appreciate it.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:45 pm EST

Wow what eye coordination by Kreider

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:45 pm EST

Kreider from Zbad

tlats


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:45 pm EST

KREIDER reading The Wall ?

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:45 pm EST

IT'S A POST POWERPLAY GOAL!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:44 pm EST

Could Kreider act any more nonchalant about a beautiful tip in?

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:44 pm EST

KREIDER BABYYY...IT'S APOWERPLAY GOAL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:42 pm EST

Shit-the-bed-enkirk

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:35 pm EST

And I agree no one ever cheated off of Brendan Smiths test paper in high school

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:32 pm EST

The rangers are a .250 hitter tonight. And all these years I have been yelling SHOOT THE PUCK. How wrong I have been.

Jake0104


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:31 pm EST

What a snipe by Staal...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:30 pm EST

What a goal by Staal!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:30 pm EST

Howden has had the puck roll off his stick 2 or 3 times tonight. Wonder if he needs a new stick...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:26 pm EST

Brendan Smith is not very bright.

Bob


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:23 pm EST

Four shots on goal through the first five minutes in the second

RF73


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:22 pm EST

Rangers have a total of four shots on goal through five minutes to play in the second period.

RF73


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:19 pm EST

Did I mention that Winnipeg is one HUGE team

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:10 pm EST

The Rangers are 2-3-3 on jersey retirement nights, only getting wins when Leetch and Messier were honored #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:05 pm EST

If you missed the pre-game ceremony for Hatfield... https://twitter.com/MSGNetworks/status/1069377287861211136

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 7:02 pm EST

Puckyou…………...what shocks a lot of people about Park is that he actually wound up playing more seasons with Bos than with NY. Imagine if he stayed ,what numbers he would've put up for us.That TRADE should never have happened,period.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:54 pm EST

Hayes again, with a perfect time to shoot, winding down the PP and the period goes for the pretty passing play. Instead of shooting and having a guy there who could swat at a rebound....he cant help himself....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:52 pm EST

The only thing we love more than passing is passing into traffic.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:51 pm EST

Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:50 pm EST

What passing between Fast and ZBad. Z with a pass put EXACTLY where it needed to be for Fast to be able to put that in the net.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:49 pm EST

What a terrific pass by Z-BAD!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:49 pm EST

Yesper Fast beautiful goal

tlats


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:48 pm EST

QUICKIE!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:40 pm EST

LAINE: heard recently that LAINE is the 4th fastest player to score 100 goals

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:31 pm EST

Winnipeg is one HUGE Team

rangerlou


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:31 pm EST

Zero offensive intensity...

rF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:30 pm EST

God I HATE Winnipeg.

rF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:22 pm EST

Hopefully this latest scratch gets Skjei going if this doesn’t work what’s next?

tlats


Sun Dec 2 2018 6:05 pm EST

TD: You must be quite disenchanted with Gorton and Quinn given your loathing of McLeod and Belesky as NHLers yet the Rangers dress and play them.

rF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:55 pm EST

I hope the nyr will listen and follow Hatfield’s words about how he succeeded by playing hard . And how that gag line had so much success by sticking together. Get ready for the next winning streak, hopefully but probably not tonight.

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:54 pm EST

The NYR really need to do Park this season. It would suck to see one of the guys there tonight not be around for hanging his jersey in the rafters ...TD.... I could've sworn you were a Beleskey fan.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:51 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... According to the lineup sheets the Rangers just handed out, Brady Skjei is not in tonight. Brendan Smith is playing left D and Tony D is right D on the third pair.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:44 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... They all seem to be skating around fine, so whichever D has the undisclosed injury David Quinn mentioned, well, it's not obvious to me...

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:44 pm EST

I assume # 39 is playing tonight. From iCloud to ma Beleskey..

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:37 pm EST

Aside from Leetch-NOBODY who played defense for NYR ever came near Park in terms of performance, guts, offensive ability, defensive abilities. Sad they ignored him.

Puckyou


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:33 pm EST

Park deserves this, I’m pissed

Puckyou


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:31 pm EST

Well not tonight hopefully in the future

tlats


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:31 pm EST

You guys are hilarious with the BELESKEY business. He did well in training camp? Says who? He had one stinking goal. The guy is trash. Is he better than McLEOD? Sure. But that’s not hard. As for thought was...since when is Beleskey this Uber-checking forward?!? Dude throws a few hits and gets in a meaningless scrum and it’s like he’s the next Todd Betuzzi. Sweet holy Jesus. My only hope is that he’s up so that they can grant his wish to be traded to a team that will be stupid enough to start him.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:30 pm EST

I also thought Brad Park was next but looks like it ain’t happening

tlats


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:25 pm EST

RF4L - maybe, but dollars to donuts it won’t be NYR.

Limbo


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:20 pm EST

Wanna bet one of Chicago or LA gets Hughes next June to restart their rebuild in a big way....

rF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:10 pm EST

The NYR did a real shitty job covering this. It should have been on their website for all the fans to see.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:07 pm EST

Park is next for sure

Puckyou


Sun Dec 2 2018 5:04 pm EST

Messier, Graves, Leetch and Richter.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 4:27 pm EST

I predict that tonight ,after they raise Hadfield's #11, that they announce that Brad Park's #2 is next ………………………………………………….and there will probably be no more put up there until Hank's #30.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:51 pm EST

Good to see Belesky get the call up..He was playing well and tough in pre-season before the injury and obviously, in the eyes of management, playing well enough in Hartford the last few weeks..That's a player who deserves a try especially when the other 4th liners are kinda underwhelming and provide little attitude or grit..Only place i disagree as thet I would have buried Lettieri instead..C'mon Vincenzo, convince me otherwise tonight!

Hospo


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:19 pm EST

TD...you're pretty funny in your loathing for a couple of players. First McLeod and they were winning with him and hace sucked without him. Now Belesky. Lol...

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:10 pm EST

E....too many dmen in front of them. If/when 2 or 3 are moved before or at the deadline you'll see a recall or 2.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:08 pm EST

E: I would imagine just their lack of pro game experience. It takes longer for D usually, and you dont want to get them bad habits because they are pressing....Maybe towards the end of the season when there is less pressure to accomplish things as a team if they are out of the playoff race they may get some time depending on trades...however I think its a smart move to allow them to get some consistency at the pro level.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:06 pm EST

"The LA Kings have announced that Ilya Kovalchuk will be out approximately four weeks while recovering from an ankle bursectomy procedure." Not a good sign for his long term health. You start removing stuff from joints, especially those things that are supposed to help cushion the joint....apparently the beers will grow back...but hell...if your ankle is that screwed up its got to be something that will be a reoccurring problem.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:04 pm EST

That's Skjei

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 3:03 pm EST

At least in the case of Beleskey he will bring some mean and he wants back in the NHL badly. Right now he's a healthy body with experience. Hares knows that they need some help up front. I do have a question for some wallsters though. Is there a speculative reason why Lindgren or Libor haven't been tapped yet? I mean they sure as hell have been pitiful on the blueline as of late. Even my boy Pionk has repressed a little. And Skies? Oh the horrors...

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 2:23 pm EST

BELESKEY up? Well I guess maybe the Rangers brain trust has decided to go for HUGHES. Beleskey is trash. Total and complete trash.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 2:17 pm EST

Losing streak winning streak losing streak... see the pattern

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 2:15 pm EST

Steady as she goes my friends... Steady as she goes...

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:55 pm EST

With the Jets coming to town and a light schedule coming into a showdown with TB? You could see a good part of that feel good momentum evaporate. The New York Rangers are within 10-points of the toilet. They may not bottom out but they may get a lottery shot and walk away with a Broberg or Kakko level prospect. This season of undulations of good and bad play was what I expected. But I don’t think they are as bad as they’ve recently shown. They were a talent starved team that suddenly got extremely thin. And so I wouldnt be surprised that as they get healthier we see a more competitive unit. But right now I remain of the kind that it’s sell, sell, sell... get another first and a prospect.

E


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:50 pm EST

Gettinger doesn't belong in the NHL. Yet. Reasonable move. Now let's get McLeod back!

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:36 pm EST

TD... Who knows if either GM offered either player around before waiving them. I mean it only makes perfect sense that they would but some of these guys think they're smarter than everyone else and think they can sneak a player by when "no one's looking" on a Saturday. Bad asset management either way.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:32 pm EST

As for Gettiinger, not a bad first showing. Played the body quite a bit. Wasn't afraid to get down low along the boards and battle. Didn't make and glaring mistakes that I saw...but probably played a bit reserved but thats not unexpected for a kid on his first taste of the NHL. He may turn out to be a good 4th line guy for the Rangers. Just 20 years old...maybe another season or two in the AHL and he will be as ready as he possibly could be. Until then an injury callus type guy. Unless he ends up as an add in to a trade. He probably showed enough to have teams be a bit interested in his potential...such a big kid, some skill at the AHL level....hard to imagine he wouldn't sweeten a deal.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:23 pm EST

I see it...in the thread as a “in addition” comment

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:22 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 18m In addition, the Blueshirts have assigned forward Tim Gettinger to the Wolf Pack.

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:22 pm EST

I’m happy the listened to my gm act instead of others ... lol

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:18 pm EST

Rhet: Who is reporting that? I don't see it anyplace

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:17 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 14m14 minutes ago OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forward Matt Beleskey from @WolfPackAHL. Beleskey has skated in 14 games with the Wolf Pack this season, registering three goals and six assists for nine points, along with a plus-three rating and nine penalty minutes.

stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:16 pm EST

fishpie is working......the mighty quinney is hopefully asserting himself with his boss and his players.... they needed a vet blacknblue type....too many are injured or asleep....or need to go....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:09 pm EST

Gettinger sent down.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:02 pm EST

Well...Belesky has been recalled...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:46 pm EST

NEWFIE - I want the Rangers to play their best every game..to win every game..to make the POs..don't give a shit about losing on purpose for a top pick..but if they are bad enough and get one, that's the consolation prize to me..I just think people on here take their opinions of what the Rangers do for the future way too seriously..Those opinions and mine mean zero....Gordo will do what Gordo will do and we will know soon enough and be able to judge then,,..All one can really do now is judge the present pefromance and ongoing development in the context of the current team

Hospo


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:39 pm EST

Limbo: I wouldn't be upset with getting the 4th overall pick in this years draft....you at this point would have Boldy, Cozens, Kakko, Dach, or Turcotte....none of those guys would make Rangers fans sad....at least based on early reports on these kids...

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:29 pm EST

also with the standings, if teams behind the Rangers and just ahead of them, win their games in hand the Rangers drop to 4 points out, and fall back to third to last in the east....and 27th overall in the NHL. They have played a couple more games than some teams...now those teams will not all win all those games in hand, but some of them will, and the Rangers may not play as well as them the rest of the way....and some of those teams will be going out to try and get players to help them, and some of them will, the Rangers will be doing to opposite, they will be shedding guys that will help them now, so its likely that the Rangers drop quite a bit by the deadline and after. I think its a good chance they end up in the top 10 again. Now if they can get some other 1st rounders they may be able to move up to grab a guy they like, or just use them all to increase their odds to find a top end players in the mid to late first round. That should be the goal, get more first rounders for THIS draft.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:23 pm EST

TD - re: disappointment. The NYR way - we lose for Hughes, and end with the 4th pick anyway.

Limbo


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:20 pm EST

TD - true. But NYR and SENS are 5 and 4 points from the 3rd worst in the league. They both a have had a decent run, but it’s more likely that they played a bit above their heads and will revert downwards a tad. Plus, I think some below like NJD and PHL and PIT will have their own runs.

Limbo


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:15 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Not even remotely surprised...Some real quality GM'ing on Montreal's part: Give away a first-round pick...but like I said with ZYKOV...I'm a little perplexed as to why Gorton wouldn't at least offer some pittance for a player like that...the odds you get someone of either SCHERBAK or ZYKOV's quality in...say...the sixth round is next to nil. And you'd have to think that Montreal would've given him up for the pick before trying waivers...maybe they stupidly thought he'd slide through...oh well.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:11 pm EST

Why is BELESKEY not on the Rangers? Because he's no longer a viable NHLer...Of course, that's my take...another thing, Quinn has been pretty clear about bringing guys into the folk who have a future with the team...I mentioned this a few days ago, but why do you think ANDERSSON, FOGARTY and GETTINGER...and now LETTIERI are with the team instead of HOLLAND, BELESKEY, and BUTLER? The latter three are all established NHLers. If you're looking to ice the best team you can, obviously it's better to get guys who are experienced...But those guys get passed over...why? Because DQ is building a team...he's trying to win games and build a winning culture...it's another reason I say you guys who are pining for HUGHES, while well-intentioned and all, are going to be very disappointed come draft day...the only way this team competes for Hughes at this point is if LUNDQVIST'S season ends sometime in the next month and a half. No team with him in net is going to ever be a threat to score a first-overall pick in the lottery.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:08 pm EST

He didn't even get past the first team. Not shocked.... per David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Los Angeles has claimed Nikita Scherbak off waivers

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:03 pm EST

Vic - You do realize Ottawa is two points out of the wildcard race, right? And the Rangers only one. Look, I get why you want HUGHES. But do a reality check: The Rangers, as they stand right now, are no where near bad enough to compete for Hughes. They're not even close to as bad as they were last year, and that piss-poor performance landed us a ninth overall. So that's a nice way of saying the Rangers' chances for drafting Hughes are about as fanciful as their chances of landing mf's boy BOUCHARD: Slim and none. And Slim just left town.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:02 pm EST

Hospo….agree, I just can't imagine watching or cheering for a team that just quits and plays out the string. We are only in early Dec and besides I don't think DQ will allow this to happen.What I mean about to nights game is that they ARE in a tail spin and it could get ugly........but on the bright side ,what a Game to turn it around !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:58 am EST

If SCHERBAK is still available at noon and the Rangers DO NOT claim him, they are fools...here's another one...just like ZYKOV...Immensely talented player that needs a fresh start. Is he a sure thing? No. Will he be a future star? Probably not...but if you can get a top-9 NHLer for nothing more than the paperwork it takes to claim him, you gotta go for it. As with Zykov, I would have gleefully traded the Canadiens a late-round pick for him...I don't think he'll drop to the Rangers...But if he does, they'd be foolish not to give him a try...especially given the woes they've had on wing lately.

tdchi


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:53 am EST

NEWFIE - It could..or they can play like they did before this five game stretch with some smarts and discipline and give the Jets a good hard working game..I'd rather have that than laying down and trying to lose like so many want...

Hospo


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:52 am EST

VIC: I brought up getting a trade proposal for the AVS to give them basically, 2/3 of a second line. Hayes and Zucc was my suggestion...couple guys who have been around some cup runs and that will take some pressure off the top line, a second PP unit with some more skill. If Kreider goes you need a lot more than that 1st rounder coming back (if he goes with someone like Hayes) and the AVS are not really deep prospect wise, but for Hayes/Zuccyou might get that OTT first, the AVS second (they also have OTTs second I think) and a couple prospects, maybe another 2nd or 3rd in the next draft. They are in win now mode in the mile high city.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:35 am EST

Tonights game could turn into an awkward evening for this team. MSG will be graced with Ranger Royalty and the way we are playing ,it could get ugly fast. I'm hoping Hank can steal the show right in front of Mr.Richter and Mr.Giacomin,wouldn't that be a nice moment. Or maybe they ALL leave after the puck drop !

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:26 am EST

WILD: LOSE FOR HUGHES is the "theme" of this season and rebuild. If you have been paying attention to what I have been posting about Cup winners and their #1 Centers you would know that I am focused on the top 4 overall draft positions. While I would love to get HUGHES there are some drafts where more then one elite #1 Center is available (See the 2015 draft). From what we have heard about this draft that may be the case again this year. What I want is the Rangers draft choice to be as high as possible , and then I want Ottawa's #1 Overall pick from Colorado. And I'm prepared to deal as many vets to Colorado as it takes to get it. HAYES, MZA, KRIEDER, ZBAD, SMITH, SHATTENKIRK, and HANK and STAAL if they are willing to waive their NMC. How much better do Colorado's chances of coming out of the west look if they have HAYES or ZBAD as their #2 Center with KREIDER on that 2nd line. Add in a tough veteran D who has good value in the playoffs like SMITH and their chances look a lot better. This is their time to go for it. They have a team that can win a Cup if they just had more depth of scoring in the top 6 and more depth on D. GORTON should be able to put together a package that they cannot refuse. And for the life of me I cannot understand why it already hasn't been done. The Rangers are NEVER going to win a Cup with the guys that are on this roster right now leading the way. They aren't even on the same continent as the teams that are going to compete for a Cup. CHEETOS looks like he is going to be a solid top 6 scorer. At this point there is no way you can project him to be a #1 Center though. And ANDERSSON doesn't even belong in any conversation that talks about #1 Centers. The Rangers are staring another 10 years of being a decent to good team in the face. Before they have to blow it up and start over again. And even if they rebuild the right way then it will likely take 5 to 7 years to win a Cup (if they do) which is no guarantee as we know. It has been 25 years since they won the Cup. When it happened the furthest thing from my mind was the thought that I would never see another one in my lifetime. But now I am looking squarely at that possibility as being the reality. I think my chances of being around for another 5 to 7 years if the Rangers go all in and LOSE FOR HUGHES are pretty good (but you never know). Another 15 to 17 years???? Another 25 to 30 years???? I'd like to think I will still be around but at that point I would have to be pretty lucky.

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:11 am EST

I meant eight headed :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:10 am EST

JMO, but the six headed beast/train wreck that is our defense needs to end. We need to play guys more consistently, even if we sit others more consistently. Maybe, Staal-Pionk, Skjei-McQuaid, Smith-Shattenkirk with Claesson-Deangelo sitting for a bit. Neither Claesson or Deangelo are guys that I would prefer sitting, but the guys making the most money have to play if we have any hope of trading 1-2 of them. Everyone has a defensive conscience. Skjei's confidence looks completely shot and we're not going anywhere until we get him straightened out. Maybe move his pairing down to the third line until he start's playing a little more consistently. Food for thought.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:03 am EST

RF4L/Wild - I would do Kreider for Puljujarvi and a pick in a heartbeat. Puljujarvi is very fast and has great size (6'4", 200+ lbs). Methinks he just needs a change in scenery to blossom.

JFC31


Sun Dec 2 2018 11:01 am EST

Off the top of my head(without actually figuring it out) the NYR should have roughly 6-7 teams in front of them to get Nikita Scherbak. Of course the fact that I like Scherbak means that he'd probably be there for us and we wouldn't have put a claim in on him. That's usually the way that works(that or the Devils/Isles will take him).

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:46 am EST

Well you always seem to point to Kreiders on ice play as the reason for not being a leader on the team....you have done it multiple times. You always talk about elders from a production standpoint and not a leadership one...which is odd...seeing as leaders should have...well, leadership abilities.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:38 am EST

OMG...you accused me having wanting Duchene to have the c in Ottawa. That's what I responded to. Methinks you simply like to argue.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:34 am EST

Vic: That also shows that with good scouting and a deep draft you dont need to be #1 overall. There will be 2 or 3 really good centers in their draft....and a team will have a good shot at the cup with any one of them. I mean would it be so bad to draft 3rd and get a guy like Dylan Cozens? Hughes has one "flaw" and it shows at times against players his own age, he isn't the strongest guy out there...I assure he will be a top end talent in the NHL, but so will a guy like Dylan Cozens who is bigger and plays a big mans game by all accounts. So the Rangers may have a high pick, but we shouldn't automatically assume they cant win a cup with the guy they get if they are lucky enough to end up in the top 3-5 spots.....a big letdown on the fans side will not be fun if they dont win the lottery....there is still a great chance for a great player if they have more stretches like this one they are in now than the good one.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:28 am EST

RF4L: But the lower the daily cap hit the more cap they can absorb at the deadline. Calling him up for 5 or 6 days would translate into about 100K in cap space at the deadline. That could be the difference between taking on a big expiring contract and receiving a 1st rounder in comparison with not being able to take that contract back and getting a 3rd rounder or nothing.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:24 am EST

RF4L: You must be mistaken...I just said it...that is NOT opinion. That is reported facts. New outs from when he was younger playing in his teens, and from a member of an NHL coaching staff...thats no opinion....get over it....

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:21 am EST

So for grins I thought, on this beautiful morning in early December, I would take a quick look at who the top 10 #1 Centers are in the league from a points per game perspective (and where they were drafted) so far this season. Without further delay here is the list: MACKINNON (1.58 ppg - #1 Overall 2013), MATTHEWS (1.54 ppg - #1 Overall 2016), BERGERON (1.37 ppg - #45 Overall 2003), McDAVID (1.35 ppg - #1 Overall 2015), CROSBY (1.32 ppg - #1 Overall 2005), BACKSTROM (1.28 ppg - #4 Overall 2006), SCHEIFELE (1.24 ppg - #7 Overall 2011), DUCHENE (1.22 ppg - #3 Overall 2009), GIROUX (1.20 ppg - #22 Overall 2006), EICHEL (1.19 ppg - #2 Overall 2015)..............LOSE FOR HUGHES!!!!!

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:19 am EST

And if they need cap space send Belesky back down if/when need be.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:18 am EST

My God do you post and forget? Your Duchene post...geesh.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:06 am EST

RF4L: I think the Rangers brass really wants every dollar of cap space. It even seems thats why they sent Gettinger down for a day (a cap day at least) to save what was probably a few grand. I think Belesky would cost too much. Makes me think they have been talking with teams and discussing taking back bad contracts to get the most out of trades.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 10:04 am EST

RF4L: What opinion did I post? I posted things we see when it comes to Kreider, and things told by a member of a coaching staff and reported on (younger days) with Duchene. Not one thing was opinion.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:40 am EST

Belesky with 3 assists ladt night in Pack win. Why hasn't he been recalled??

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:38 am EST

In my world you wouldn't post stupid inaccurate opinions like they're all-knowing facts.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:18 am EST

in your world Duchene would be the automatic C for OTT...heck he is the best player not he ice most games now...you would race to put that C there regardless of the fact that teammates over the years have not been fond of him, and he fight coaches...has done so since he was young, did it in spades on Colorado, with multiple coaches...but hey he is a great leader because he is consistent....if only Kreider was consistent than his other leadership qualities would be great! You would probably call for him to be captain of the Rangers.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:15 am EST

RF4L: Really? He talked to guy on the bench after a tough shift, or after a good one. He pats guys on the back...gets all excited with them after a play or a win....thats called leadership. I bet you will be laser focused on the ice leadership...and totally ignore that there is more to it then just production or even on ice work ethic....there are off ice leaders on teams as well, and they are just as important. To brush that aside because he isn't the most consistent player on the ice is just stupid

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:12 am EST

RHET: No surprise to me. The second the Pens acquired BRASSARD I came on here and posted that at least we now know that there will be no three-peat for the Pens. The BRASSARD for ZBAD trade stands as one of the best trades that the Rangers ever made despite how inconsistent ZBAD can be. Just getting rid of BRASSARD was a gift from God.....

Vic


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:10 am EST

To get the fabulous leadership qualities of Chris Kreoder of courae.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:09 am EST

Kreider's leadership? An oxymoron.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:08 am EST

And why would a D starved team trade Nurse?

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:04 am EST

Also who replaces his 20+ goals per year? If that pick isn’t a 1st round pick you are getting worse, and even if it is a first round pick you may not improve the team.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 9:00 am EST

RF4L: who replaces Kreiders speeds and size in front? And his clearly apparent leadership thing as a team guy? His interactions with his teammates is important.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:58 am EST

Who would do Kreider and 'Kirk for Nurse Puj and a draft pick?

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:41 am EST

Interesting that I have not seen this. Big issue for the leafs. Horton. 5 mil cap hit. But he is on “LTIR” you say so “he doesn’t count against the cap”. This is true....but off season cap stuff is different, he does count, and they may need to go over the cap during the offseason to sign guys and make trades/demotions to get under the cap for the season. Mathews and Marner and others will get big paydays, and with the team going for a run this year they won’t be shedding salary at the deadline. May be an opportunity to get something in return for taking that contract on and giving them room to maneuver in the summer and time needed to make other moves to get cap compliant.

Wildcard


Sun Dec 2 2018 8:40 am EST

Yep...I believe more and more Kreider has to go and soon before he's mired in a 1 goal in 10 games drought.

RF4l


Sun Dec 2 2018 1:46 am EST

Interesting stat.... Since acquiring Derick Brassard in return for Ian Cole, Filip Gustavsson and a first round pick in February, the Penguins have lost 30 of 57 games (27-23-7.)

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:28 am EST

Sunday Afternoons: The Freelance Vandals

mf


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:25 am EST

MF......we gonna go see the Zen Tricksters?

tradestar28


Sun Dec 2 2018 12:06 am EST

Are we ever going to see KREIDER put this team on his shoulders and change the momentum of the game? Change the game? Win the game? Like it or not, he's one of the main veterans on this club, as is Hayes, Z'bad.... These guys must lead by example..... No?

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:49 pm EST

BTW, what is the story withe McQuaid??? Back any time soon? They sure could use him before trading him!

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:47 pm EST

WILD - We are on totally dffetrent wavelengths so no need to continue for me......Meanwile, back at the Ranch, both the Rangers and Jets with Back-2-Back tomoorow..Hopefully the Rangers show some pride and jam after two horrific performances and honor Vic HAdfield with a worthy effort, if not a win...

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:39 pm EST

HOSPO: I think thats the point...most games this year the 4th line has made a bad impression more than a good or neutral one. You kind of want the 4th line to be neutral unless they have a great game and you see them as good. Not being seen as bad is kind of the baseline for a 4th line.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:33 pm EST

WILD - ANd that point is fine ..even if I cant say I agree on the 4th line (they made little impression on me--good or bad) but that's not the point...Yeah E was a little critical of the bootom six but no way did he say that the 4th ine was the problem with the team which you equated it to

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:19 pm EST

HOSPO: My point was actually that the 4th line played well....even for the winning stretch they had there this may have been a better game by the entire 4th line than any of those games where 1 or 2 guys would play well but the other 1 or 2 would not. And the 3rd line with Howden played about as well as the 3rd line played during the good stretch....so saying they were worthy of a bad ECHL team is just outlandish....that 3rd line would have had 10 goals in the ECHL the way they played tonight....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:16 pm EST

WILD - Even if he did, that's still not saying the 4th line is THE problem or the reason for the Ranngers playing like shit tonight and for the last 5 games...the blame lies with about 15 othet guys above the 4th line, including the coach

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:13 pm EST

Hospo: E said "Tonight’s bottom-6 was worthy of a last place ECHL top-6."

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:09 pm EST

RHET - Who said the 4th line was the problem tonight? or for the last 5 gbames for that matter?..Saying that the Rangers might miss MCleod a little is not the same as saying the 4th line is a/the problem

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:58 pm EST

Corey Pronman ‏ Verified account With 4 points tonight, NYR first round pick and defenseman K'Andre Miller is tied for 2nd in Freshman scoring.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:56 pm EST

E: The 4th line may have had the best game for the 4th line in quite a while....and the 3rd line got a lot of chances....even rang one off the pipe. To me it was the top 2 lines that were lacking tonight...the 3rd and 4th lines were not the problem...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:50 pm EST

Why is the 4th line the problem? When was the last time they gave up a goal?

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:50 pm EST

E - I dont know, there are some pretty bad beers out there! This group has their issues but they are not bottom of the barrel in the NHL and have show that when they play with smarts and determination they can be PO bubble type of team..Ranger mangement has to decide if that is what they want.as the existing youngsters grow..or if they want to add to it for the nw..or just rip it down further with an eye on the future...We'll see how truthful that letter from last year was in sue time

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:44 pm EST

Hospo, RF4L....there is nobody on this team disappears better and more often than Kreider. It's actually amazing ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:42 pm EST

#NYR? ? prospect K'Andre Miller tallied four points (1 G, 3 A), including the GWG, and posted a +3 rating tonight. He has recorded 6 points (1 G, 5 A) in the last 3 games and 15 points (3 G, 12 A) in 16 games this season.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:40 pm EST

HOSPO: I can’t argue against it. But more so I see that as an indictment on how sorry things truly are. No existe la mala cerveza. Sólo hay unas que saben mejor que otras.

E


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:32 pm EST

E - I dont think Mcleod is a linchpin but I do think he brings somethng on ice and in the locker room that may have an impact team wide on a group that, as you point ut, is very fragile and chaotic..And despite his stone hands and lack of speed, he is abetter option than the worthles Lettieri and probably both of Fogart and Gettinger

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:28 pm EST

NYSTranger - I dont get that. They went for it for quite a few years..did all they could to the chagrin of many...but just missed..unless you mean they dont have the balls to lose on purpose and to tank ..that might be true

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:24 pm EST

HOSPO pointing out that the New York Rangers misfortunes and unspooling coincides with McLeod is interesting. Or depressing. I just think they’re more or less an extremely inexperienced hockey team that’s starting to struggle against real teams. It remains to be seen if McLeod is a lynchpin. I do think they need more snarl but McLeods impact on the ice has been at best pretty neutral and at worst awful. So, if he’s mixing something in the Gatorade I don’t know. I’m waiting for the other Mac to get back. Tonight’s bottom-6 was worthy of a last place ECHL top-6.

E


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:21 pm EST

Lost 5 out of 6. Same pattern as before, a refusal to dump the puck deep and to work hard on puck retreaval. Same team as last year. They sure love this drop passes that never work, very consistent at overpasing and they all have this pure desire to make this stupid pretty play, instead of the high pressantage shot. It’s not just one player, it’s the teams core that needs to be gut it out. Being saying it since playoffs lost to Ottawa. Doesn’t matter who the coach is. Like I said before, everyone over 24 needs to be available for a trade and this will be a long process till core of the future team will be in place.

andrei


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:20 pm EST

Rangers will never get young all world talent when available (rare) because ownership has never had the balls to go for it. So simple. Thank God I am a Yankees fan

NYStranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:20 pm EST

RF4L - Like most of the rest of the team--shitty

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:19 pm EST

How did Captain Kreider play?

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:16 pm EST

Rhet get the injured guys back and send the not ready for prime time players back to Hartford, and the answer is yes , probably,and should. But the mighty Quinney has a tough job to get them there. Seems like some guys are not very coachable. And getting them to be a TEAM, is not there yet. Next progress report at game 41.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:12 pm EST

Hospo...Agree on McCleod....The last time we played the Habs we were much more physical as a team...Tonight not at all and we have no edge at all in our game....

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:59 pm EST

RF4L - I kid a little about McLeod bit I also think there is ome truth to it..RHET - They can..in this milk toast NHL...if the coach can get some consistent effort, team defense and chemistry out of them....all of which have gone by the wayside the last 5 games..maybe thre just isnt enough pressure on these guys to play better and ty onsitrnelty becasue of the ack of depth/options, some partly due to the injuries

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:57 pm EST

Wild...If you don't believe the shot differential was indicative of the Habs big edge in this game then you either didn't watch or are just making silly arguments...

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:56 pm EST

WILD - Couldnt disagree more...I dont know what his "norm" is..I couldnt sstand the guy before last year.... but he changed his game for the most part and the HAYES I saw last year was the best 2-way center on the team from like November on..and continued that for a good part of this year..So, let's wait and see where his game goes and if it's in NY or somewhere else

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:55 pm EST

Rhet: Of course they could....there is a log jam of teams all floating around the same point totals. The Rangers had one good run, a young team that gets hot can always go on another. They win enough for a stretch here to stay in contact, and get Buch and Nam back...who knows about trades, and they could go on a 8-2 run or something and end up sneaking int he wildcard spot....not that it means they could win a round or anything, but it could happen for sure. For me I would rather, as I have said before, see games that are competitive so the young players are actually playing for something each night, but to also end up with a lottery pick with their actual pick being in a decent position to get another good player...they are not winning the cup...so a playoff appearance is just, well, pointless IMHO. More interested in a playoff round next season. Get the kids the experience, help them grow....but this year, it's not needed yet....still movement to be made, assets to be moved to help solidify the future.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:54 pm EST

mf.....actually I live in St.John's ,there is no big game in the city …..maybe out around the "bay" they may disco a little.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:51 pm EST

PJ: You still cant just look at the shot clock. If the Habs had a game plan like the Caps, AVS, Rangers, and others they would have had lower shot totals and still have won the game. The 5 goals was part due to Georgiev not being solid between the pipes, there were at least 2 goals scored that he normally gets because he is more square and his angles are better...maybe one of those gets through being a really good shot, but not both of them I don't think...thats part of why they fire the puck all the time, hope...but hope has gotten them around the same place in the standing as the Rangers and the Canes who lead the NHL are not much better...while the Caps who shoot the puck as much as the Rangers and AVS who shoot a half shot more per game are in much better company....shots dont equal more goals all the time...and tonight was no different...a lot of those Hats shots were not good shots to take for most coaches...again some teams do that because of what players they have....the Habs cant try to grind it out down low, their forwards would be exhausted by the 3rd period every game....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:50 pm EST

Anyone still think we're making the playoffs?

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:49 pm EST

Cody McLeod is indeed missed...

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:46 pm EST

Hospo: 10 games dont make up for a career norm...he started the season that way...is back to that way...was that way the rest of his NHL career.....you want to wipe it all out and pretend that one good stretch means he has changed who he is on the ice....the last 3 or 4 games show that it was a stretch that was good but not a change of who he is as a player....the pressure got turned up the last few games with the team not playing well and his response has been to regress further and further...culminating in a game tonight where he did more to hurt the team than help it with his pass happy mentality. You can hang onto those 10 games...I will hang not to the reality of who he is as a player, the player he has proven over and over to be since he got to the NHL.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:45 pm EST

Well Wild the Habs have a 5-2 victory to show for it....In this game the shots were very much indicative of how the game went....

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:45 pm EST

And to all a GOOD NIGHT

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:43 pm EST

Listen to that ass Dickaletti try to tell us the turning point of the game was.....It was when the puck was dropped you idiot....

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:42 pm EST

The Rangers need to get more shots for sure...but dont focus too much on the Habs shot totals. They shoot the puck a lot...they shoot from bad angles with no traffic...they dont as a team strategy dump the puck back around the net and try to grind it out, they dont have the size for that, so they put it on net....when Rangers players do the same thing they get ripped for it, the whole "good job putting it on the goalies check protector" line. The Canes are the same way....lots and lots of shots, but not a whole lot to show for it other than lots of shots....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:41 pm EST

This team even made GeorgieGirl throw a fit....

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:41 pm EST

I hope Vic Hadfield leaves as soon as the ceremony ends. He won’t want to see Winnipeg freight train this group of indifferent fools.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:40 pm EST

ANd it all coincides with the injury to CODY MCLEOD!!!!

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:39 pm EST

WILD - 10-15 games is a good stretch and 3 games is back to normal? Ok,...whatever.we wont agree....Much more wrong with the Rangers the last 5 games than Kevin HAYES..it's bee a team wide castration and lobotomy.

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:38 pm EST

Horrible effort and tired of hearing about injuries......Shots 40-19 now with little time left....Do injuries make Kreider and Hayes not show up?....Do they make Skjei play with his head up his ass....Strome miss an empty net?....Smith continuing to suck...Our 4th line giving effort at least....When McQuaid is back it should be Skjei and Smith sitting out...And for the love of God move Skjei before you can't give him away....He isn't responding to a thing....

PJ


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:37 pm EST

Great third period effort by the Rangers… Shots are currently 10 - 2 for the period...41-19 for the game.

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:35 pm EST

Hospo: Yes...that stretch of games...and the last couple games Hayes ice time has dropped...he was up near 20, the last game he was at 17.....so yeah...he had that really good stretch...like I said....it was a good stretch, now he is back to earth...like tonight, so far he has about a minute less ice time than ZBad....His hot stretch is over, he is back to his old self...like he started the season...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:30 pm EST

Clearly, Strome does not believe in taking his man on the backcheck to the net. Looks like a pattern. Is there any NHL forward that cannot go around Brendan Smith? This is what I expected this club to look like this season. I hope Gorton is ringing phones all over the league.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:28 pm EST

STROME very lazy there...He gives you both good and bad,...He's fitting in well on the Rangers with his inconsistencies

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:26 pm EST

rangerlou: Oh come on...the puck came off his glove 90% from the direction it was coming and the direction his hand was moving....I mean really...he dint swat it towards to boards he did was players do all time time....and it bounced off his glove strange....probably couldn't do that again if he tried....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:26 pm EST

WILD - Instead of taking your word on that, I'll repsect the numbers which somehow tell me that, since November 1st, DQ has given HAYES more icetime than ZBAD in 10 of the last 13 games depite HAYES getting much less PP time (I think)..This is not a knock on ZBAD but an iidnication of hw much the hed coach likes HAYES this yera

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:24 pm EST

I mean....Skjei didnt move his hand towards the boards at all...how much more unlucky can you get?

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:24 pm EST

We need to kill this penalty

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:23 pm EST

Brady needs to get his head out of his ASS

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:23 pm EST

That one play there...Pionk (I think) pinched down..Fast seeing this put his head down and went directly to that no vacated point position...he didnt sort of head that way, he didnt look to be part of the offensive play that might develop, he went hard to that point, and ended up having the puck get to him and kept the play alive. A lot of times this season the forwards have not done that, that puck comes out of the zone, and the other team gets an odd man rush started.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:23 pm EST

That takes the cake Skjei punches the puck over the glass for a delay of game penalty

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:23 pm EST

What else can go wrong for Brady?

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:12 pm EST

What the FU@K is Shatty smiling on the bench about...Somrone give him a headshot

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:12 pm EST

Tonight's game is indicative of why Hank generally choses to sit out matchups in Montreal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:08 pm EST

Hospo: Zbad gets more time on ice per game overall than Hayes, more 5 on 5 ice time, more PP ice time. Hayes gets more PK ice time....it seems to me that DQ has ZBad as the top forward on the team and is playing him like it.....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:08 pm EST

I believe Kreider stayed home with Zuccarello & Buch

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:08 pm EST

Hey Newf,,, Bee Gees ay? Do the Caribou Disco where you live?

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:06 pm EST

I'm SORRY but I want Dugay Back!!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:04 pm EST

Speaking of KREIDER, is he dressed tonight?

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:02 pm EST

Rhet: Thats what I am saying...I mean everyone seems to forget that the start of the season was not good for him. Yes he had a great stretch...like 7 games, maybe 8...even it could have been 10 games...he was playing lights out, best forward (possible Kreider who at the same time was racking up points and doing the screen on the PP like a champ thing could be the best F during that time but it was close) but he was his old self prior and since. These last 3 or 4 games he has not had much impact. He looked flashy, carries the puck well, makes some moves, even makes a good pass, but he isn't changing the game at all, not affecting it at all other than making you lean forward in your seat...but if he isn't going to start trying that consistently into very good chances and goals in the board, there is no way I want to give him a long term 6+ mil deal.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:01 pm EST

NEWFIE - Not rose colored at all..I know he hasss some issues where he goes back to the crap he used to pull.....but relative to the rest of the forwards on this team this year?...Come on..

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:59 pm EST

WILD - Agree to disagree..he does occasinally slide back but Consistently one of the best Ranger forwards all year..and why DQ has played him that way..despeite the internet fans that know better

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:56 pm EST

Strome is having his best game as a Ranger and a good move by DQ to have him on the PP...……...Hospo ,you gotta take off the rose colored glasses when watching Hayes, LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:55 pm EST

Stevie: he has not had a great night for sure...but that PP he was really good, kept the puck in multiple times, made good passes...he had a few good shifts as well, but definitely not consistent...to be expected with a young D however, not every night will be one to put up on the fridge....this one will be a burn the tape and move on night for him. However in his short career, bad nights seem to be things he learns from and improves, so if that trend continues long term he will be better for it.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:54 pm EST

Hayes has had more than a few bad games this season, though we seem to have amnesia about those when he plays well.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:53 pm EST

Pionk pissing the bed tonight

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:52 pm EST

Hospo: Its not one game...good lord...he has turned into a pass happy shoot only with lasting regret forward for 3 or 4 games now. He had a stretch of being the best F, before and since he has been his old self...the entire world including the school for the blind, can see he is going to pass...and his passes are not even on the tape like a top passer should be....its not one game...its the majority of his career so far, and the majority of games this season...he passes up shots, and tries to force passes all the time.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:51 pm EST

Damn, STROME had that on a silver platter..That said, teh line is playing well this period

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:50 pm EST

Here we go… The dreaded last-minute of a period. Hold your breath

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:49 pm EST

Been one of, if not THE best forward for the Ranbgetrs all year and one bad game and he sucks and needs to be traded..if that's true every damn one of them should be traded..but, maybe that's how it should be

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:47 pm EST

Tis game highlights why you trade Hayes. The entire NHL is expecting him to pass, and he obliges them by trying to pass...the joke of passing on a penalty shot is not a joke with him....the guy had a stretch of like what, 6-7 games where he shot the puck more but prior to that and since then he has been back to his old habits...pass unless there is no option, then try to make the pas anyway and if he must, with regret, he shoots the puck.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:46 pm EST

Passing Hayes… And when he does it rarely gets to the intended recipient. Hayes, the only guy to attempt a pass on an empty net break away

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:44 pm EST

Geez, I wish Hayes would get his head out of his ass and we might have a game here tonight.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:43 pm EST

Hayes needs to shoot the damn puck...that last play, the defender was so far leaning with his stick to take the pass I dont think he could have turned to stop Hayes from driving to the front of the net....but Hayes tried for the pass anyway....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:43 pm EST

Looking for #3

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:43 pm EST

Nice play by all three forwards..Too bad ZBAD cant be convinced that he's always on for PP/PK/EN

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:43 pm EST

A Strome light

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:43 pm EST

#2

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

Pp = please pass

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

Georigiev clearly fighting the puck tonight....he had no idea where that puck was on the shot. He is usually really good at that. Dont know if DQ is keeping him in to make him learn to fight through it or what...but I am a little surprised he is still between the pipes.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

WILD.... You show me where I ever argued that Skjei was responsible for that area of ice or Weber? Where? You're right, Skjei was NOT responsible for that area of ice or Weber so it's okay that he stopped skating without the whistle being blown. That makes total sense.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

Strome

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

Strome

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

Last year, 4 ourt of 5 shit games would have all been on AV..only fair to say that some of this falls on DQ and his inability to get more out of his team even with the injuries..Well, either that or, plain ad simple, it;s the CODY MCLEOD factor..LIke many Rangers, HAYES reverting to bad habits tonght...Team is jut playing like shit

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:41 pm EST

SPOONER! IT'S A POWER PLAY GOAL !!!!

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:39 pm EST

Kevin Hayes is having a rough time out there

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:36 pm EST

Nyr pp you shoot it , no you shoot it, no he can shoot it , no maybe you can shoot it

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:35 pm EST

HAYES imagine that...he passed and the Habs defender was 100% focused on that, he would have not had a chance to get a shot deflected...almost like he knew Hayes would pass!!

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:33 pm EST

Say what we may but right now? Nemo, Buch, MZA are needed badly. But someone needs to dial up some defenseman. This isn't an NHL defense. And if it is, it's terrible.

E


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:31 pm EST

Something that I have never agreed with. Anderson gets called for interference....Anders has a "right" to his ice, he doesn't skate to get in front of Domi, he sticks with his man off the face-off...Domi skates across moving laterally skates into where Anderson is skating, runs into him and falls over him....somehow thats Andersons fault...basically the NHL rules says you can skate over to where another guy is, make sure you fall down over him and he goes to the box....its just silly to me...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:30 pm EST

Lettieri, Fogarty, Gettinger, Howden, Lias, Chytl, and Pionk all have how many hockey games to their resume? And Staal-Pionk is DQ's steadiest defensive tandem. Oy! This is what a rebuild looks like.

E


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:30 pm EST

Good pass by SMITH,,,, VEEEEE ZEEEEE

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:30 pm EST

Jimmy boy with a goal

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:25 pm EST

RF73: I put some of the forwards....when a D pinches your butt has got to get out to his spot to cover his defensive position in case the puck starts out of the zone....the Rangers F's are not even starting to go there....You need to cycle around, gets the D moving, can cause confusing between the D and F defending, and it can created passing and shooting lanes. When the forwards don't move back up to the point its easier for that defending forward to just stick with the D that is pinching and everyone else just hold their defusing areas, and then that D runs into a double team and the puck gets turned over and away they go. Its been an issue and not a shocking issue seeing as how so many of these forwards are young player....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:24 pm EST

Is Veenyo coaching tonight

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:23 pm EST

Now Skiej tries to kill Howden

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:22 pm EST

Another road gem

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:22 pm EST

Not sure why Georgiev is still in the net...sorry...but he is not on his game....another goal past him where normally he would have been squared up on a good angle...he is off, just by a small amount, but thats all its taking....shots from out past 5 feet or so are just cruising past him...another went right past him and went JUST wide...clearly he is fighting it tonight....itys not all his fault of course, but you need to make saves on shots from out at 10 feet or more when you can see the shot the entire way...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:21 pm EST

TradeStar: you woke up? Want to go to the RIGHT TRACK INN and get drunk?

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:21 pm EST

Defense are pinching in and they are blowing right by them with odd man rushes

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:20 pm EST

Bad News Bear's for $1000 Alex

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:18 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah...the guy Smith should have been covering in the ice that Smith should have been defending...instead of skating a few feet from Skjei...well coasting since his feet were not moving....just stop...Skjei was NOT responsible for that area of ice or Weber....saying otherwise shows a total lack of hockey knowledge...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:18 pm EST

trade them all right fuckin now!

tradestar28


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:17 pm EST

this team freakin sucks!

tradestar28


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:15 pm EST

Georgie doing his Hank impression slamming his stick

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:15 pm EST

WILD....Skjei was pleading his case to the ref while his guy was flat on his stomach on the ice passing the puck to the eventual goal scorer.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:15 pm EST

Georgiev has faced a lot of chances...and has been really good in close...but his angles have been off by just a tad tonight....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:12 pm EST

Rhet: Smith stopped skating AND was out of position....so you bench Skjei for half that?

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:12 pm EST

Rhet0ric: I did not miss it...what you seem to have missed is Smith defending the same ice as Skjei and the forwards nowhere in sight. Sjkei was already defending a man...SMith stoped skating as well...not one mention of Smith being out of position on not moving his feet...not one mention of the Center not in the picture or another F.....jsut Skjei didnt cover two players on the same play....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:11 pm EST

WILD... Who said the goal was all on Skjei? You bench him because he stopped skating, not because of the goal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:10 pm EST

tlats: Issue is Smith should have already been covering that area...why was his Skjei's back pocket there? He was defending the same ice at the same time instead of in the middle like he should have been....Skjei could have gotten there, but Smith or a Forward should have been there already....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:10 pm EST

WILD/BOB... Maybe you missed it. When the penalty was called, Skjei stopped skating and that's when the goal was scored.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:09 pm EST

Bob: exactly. Everyone is point at Skjei who was back on his man, who had the puck....you cannot say you understand hockey, and are knowledgeable enough to rate a players on ice game, and also say that he should have felt with that entire situation. No one wants to say anything about Smith just stopping...and for some reason bing within a stick length of Skjei...what was he doing there? Skjei had the puck carrier, as the other D you should be out in the middle to ensure nothing dangerous can happen there. Smith stopped skating as well....but its all on Skjei...even the TV analysis is laser focused on Skjei....its like the rest of the team doesn't exist.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:06 pm EST

Skjei was to worried about the delayed penalty called on him and absolutely gave up on the play that he was close enough to cover Weber and prevent that goal it looked horrible

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:01 pm EST

Sorry, but that one is not on Skjei. He is one on one and the only guy back, and Shea Weber beats Smith.....and everyone else up the ice for an uncontested shot on goal? Were the rest of the heading for the tunnel for intermission? After a good 5-7 minutes they have a collective brain fart like that? Inexcusable.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:01 pm EST

"guys not he ice" = "guys on the ice"

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:59 pm EST

RF73: Well Weber would have had many many goals if he was actually playing....being out due to a long term injury kind of puts a damper on goal scoring. He didnt pull a Staal and play almost every game over that span but not score....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:58 pm EST

Yes...Bench Skjei...because he should have covered two players on that play....the guy originally with the puck, and Weber who was steaming in at full speed all alone....shouldn't we be worried about who just allowed a Habs player to just go it alone into the zone? SO its Skjei, because he didnt go to the puck carrier, then afterwords cover for the other 5 guys not he ice and goto the other man all alone to defend him....heck...why have anyone else on the ice....Skjei should be able o be out there alone and handle it all!!!

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:58 pm EST

Weber hasn’t had a goal since 2017 and he gets two in the first period. The Rangers are a joke in the first and last minute of periods.

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:58 pm EST

Brady too busy playing with hi balls My LORD!!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:57 pm EST

Tracerm nah not really ... fishpies for everyone.... so many better gms here...

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:56 pm EST

FUUUUCCCCKKKKK

rangerlou


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:55 pm EST

Figures!

NV94


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:55 pm EST

Skjei deserves to be benched after that display

tlats


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:54 pm EST

BENCH SKJEI. Right now.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:54 pm EST

firing

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:54 pm EST

6.4 seconds

RF73


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:52 pm EST

Smith is firming the puck tonight...very nice to see....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:50 pm EST

Will say one thing for Gettinger and Fogerty....when they get the puck down along the boards, they are tough to get it away from...they are really good about using their size to protect the puck and battle...they just did exactly what you want from your 4th line...had the puck down low in the offensive zone for their shift.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:42 pm EST

Doesn't seem to matter who Howden plays with...his line is always good, always gets chances....kid is a keeper....what a deal that is turning out to be getting him in that trade...

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:35 pm EST

GEO is doing his best to keep us in this one. Not looking pretty.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:34 pm EST

Nice centering pass by Brendan Smith. Sheesh.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:17 pm EST

Vinnie Barbarino's in the line-up

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:16 pm EST

Rhet: Looks like WEBER is back in the lineup

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 6:54 pm EST

Panerin will be looking for $11+ for a 7 year contract. He may end up signing for 10+, but I think it be at $11. This summer we will see another round of raised contracts. Interesting contract to watch will be Skinner’s contract, who is looking for a $12 mil per. People still think that 26 year old UFA Hayes will sign for a $5.9 or $6.2 3/4 year contract?

andrei


Sat Dec 1 2018 6:48 pm EST

Wait never mind it’s 3....I read something about 2....the person meant 2 more.....

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 6:46 pm EST

mf: By the way, your “offer” of Shatty and Skjei both with retained salary can’t work. Teams can only retain 2 players salary....Rangers already doing so with one...Spooner.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 6:44 pm EST

By the way all....Nylander has a 10 team NTL in the FINAL YEAR ONLY of his deal. It is the only year he is eligible for a NTC/NMC. This is according to multiple people on Twitter. He can be moved at any time to any team up to that point.

Wildcard


Sat Dec 1 2018 6:01 pm EST

StevieLegs? Really?

tracerm


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:47 pm EST

David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... I'd imagine the $8.3M signing bonus due to Nylander on July 1, 2019 (Year 2 of his deal) will surely factor into trade talks should the Leafs revisit that topic in off-season or sooner.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:42 pm EST

MF... Mathews and Marner are probably going to cost them between $10-11 mil each.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:38 pm EST

Nick Kypreos ‏ Verified account @RealKyper ... Nylander 6.9 aav due to high salary/ low sb in 1st year. 2nd season he earns min salary with a high 8.3m sb. In 7 months he’ll earn 17m. Right or wrong give the kid credit for having the stones to take the team to the bitter end.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:34 pm EST

RF: if they don't resign GARDINER that saves $4mill, he can be replaced with a $1mill salary, net savings $3mill...... SO, is TORONTO now the Odds on favorite to Win The Cup????? Hello TAMPA, now that Toronto signed NYLANDER, you may want to sure up your Goaltending, your roster isn't getting any younger and youre built to win now! Oh Hank, there's a phone call for you, it's StevieLegs! ;->)

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:28 pm EST

This deal totally smack of cap circumvention. Let's see if Bettman does anything(I wouldn't hold my breath).

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:25 pm EST

RF4L... Tell me they didn't cave? Those bonuses are great for ...the player.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:23 pm EST

SO, it was correct.... per Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... First year salary is pro rated $10M salary (6.77 M) plus a full $2M signing bonus. Net number of $8.77M. AAV of $10.2M.... In out years, the AAV is $6.996M... In year two, base salary is $700K, SB of $8.3M.... In remaining years, $2.5M in base salary plus $3.5M SB

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:19 pm EST

The Leafs have $23.286 mil for next season. The need to sign roughly 10 guys, including Marner and Matthews long term. I don't see how they keep Nylander at all. Especially with all the hard feeling reported between the player and management.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:18 pm EST

Panarin at $7,500,000 per? I'm in for that.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:17 pm EST

BTW, I fully expect Patrick Marleau will be on Robidias island next year, thereby freeing up $6,250,000 that will cover 90% of Nylander's hit.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:16 pm EST

mf: There's a less than zero chance that Nylander will be coming to NY in a deal that has Shittenkirk going the other way. I'd say the Rangers have a better chance of landing Even Bouchard than that occurring and that isn't going to happen, either. But you can fantasize if you wish...!

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:13 pm EST

Now if it's $7,500,000 per, then yes they caved but again, win the cup this year, who cares and trade him at the draft for a good return, who cares. I will say this, however: Nylander had better produce or he will quickly hear it from the Toronto faithful.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:13 pm EST

Next Stop, PANARIN...… oy vey!

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:12 pm EST

RF: I'm prepared to eat as much as $1.65 mill per on Shatty.. He's only signed for 2 more years after this one... Shattenkirk at $5mill per just got a hole lot more attractive.... The time is ticking and they have to watch their dollars, you even said so..... They're not getting KREIDER....

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:11 pm EST

Rhet: It's premature to say the Leafs caved. Let's see how this plays out. If they win the cup in June zero caving. If he gets traded at the draft for a good return, no caving. If keep him and win the cup in the next 2 to 4 years, no caving. The Leafs can easily afford the cash - the cap hit will be $6,500,000 for years 2 to 6 which, if he produces at the pace he could, will be absolutely bang-on. The problem is 6.5 for him, 11 for JT plus 20 (or more) combined for Matthews and Marner. Say bye-bye Gardiner for sure.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:11 pm EST

Nick Kypreos ‏ Verified account @RealKyper ... Nylander deal 7.5m per yr x6. Works out to 6.98 aav with in season signing. 24.5 m signing Bonus. #lockoutprotected. @Sportsnet @hockeynight

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:07 pm EST

NM. They reported it wrong. His cap hit is $10.2 mil for this season(like I mentioned earlier today) and then $6.9 mil per every season after that.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:04 pm EST

Nylander's getting paid $10.2 mil for this season. so even pro-rated, he'll still make roughly $6.9 mil for half a season. Leafs caved.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:03 pm EST

Well there you go - zero surprise for me on that news. There are 2 questions behind it, however: 1) Was this orchestrated to take advantage of the CBA loophole that means a player signing late (the season a quarter in) gives his team the ability to front load the cap hit to help sooth the pain in years 2 and beyond? 2) Will he be traded at the draft? I suspect we'll never know the answer the question 1 (but you can bet the NHL will be looking at that with the next CBA) and question 2 we'll find out in 7 months.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 5:00 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... 6 x $6.9M for Nylander

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:59 pm EST

Forever Blueshirts ‏ @4EverBlueshirts .... BREAKING: Nylander Watch ends with him staying in Toronto , Rangers were never contenders.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:59 pm EST

mf: Trust me, the Leafs have no interest in Shittenkirk, at least not in any Nylander deal. Kreider and Skjei MIGHT get their interest but given the latter's ongoing now 14th month struggles, that's probably a no-go, too. Trading Skjei now is trading low because of that. In addition, given Kreider's habit of disappearing for stretches and not playing very often with the physicality he's capable of, Babcock would probably poo-poo it. I honestly don't see a fit with the Rangers, at least not until the off-season when teams (re the Leafs) desires in a trade of that significance could shift (meaning maybe a first and Chytil would get their interest).

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:58 pm EST

Rumor #Nylander has it being in #MapleLeafs for $6m

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:58 pm EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Told Nylander is staying. Done deal 6 yrs.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:53 pm EST

SKINNER is having a career/contract year too

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:51 pm EST

Toronto, we're offering Shatty and will eat $900,000 per SKJEI we'll eat $750,000 per.... You want them both? You want one and NAMESTNIKOV? We're listening... We want to deal...

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:50 pm EST

RF4L... i know a guy. Veteran, very good in goal. He also want's to stay in the NY area.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:48 pm EST

Vic: You know you and I are on the same page on the drafting high subject but regarding Barfalo's success this year, yes Eichel is coming into his own and yes Dahlin is the real-deal but the biggest change for the Sabres so far? Hutton is giving them quality goaltending, something they've not had since Miller's reign there. Hutton was a gamble because he'd not proven himself as a starting goalie and isn't exactly young (33 in 10 days). So far, however, he's proving to be an astute signing.

rF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:34 pm EST

And again to clarify....this is all about getting your #1 Center in the top 4 picks in the draft. Look at where Buffalo is right now. They already had their elite #1 Center taken with a 2nd overall pick in EICHEL. So when they had a #1 overall pick they could add a franchise D like DAHLIN. They have two incredible, young, elite players. Now they just have to build out the rest of the roster. I think their chances to win a Cup over the next 5 to 7 years are pretty good. Certainly a metric shit-ton better then the Rangers chances as things stand now.

Vic


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:28 pm EST

LIMBO: Yes, you nailed it! ;-)

Vic


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:21 pm EST

NewHavenMaven ‏ @DHoranNHL .... Breaking: Nylander signs........credit card receipt for Tim Horton's donut and coffee. #nhl #Nylanderwatch #Nylander #tml #leafs #MapleLeafs

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:08 pm EST

Forgot about Brendl. Doh!

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:07 pm EST

Nylander will have no nmc/mtc when he signs. He can be traded anywhere at the draft. Maybe even to the Rangers...

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 4:06 pm EST

Said it a while ago...leafs will sign Nylander for this year's run then trade him at the draft.

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 3:34 pm EST

Limbo.....Park was #2 ,but Boston had #1 and picked D -Barry Gibbs (not of the BEEGEES). He went on to a pretty good career mostly with Minn NorthStars………..but just think, if the Bruins had to pick Park ,they would have Park and Orr for 10 or so years …...YIKES !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 3:29 pm EST

Bob, you see, idea that you might have more options in the summer is also might not be true. Nylander holds the cards on where he might end up. Say Florida wants to get Nylander, so they offer a best package. If Nylander has no interest in playing in Florida, then he holds the cards. Come July 1st, Toronto has Mariner and Matthwes to re-sign, and they also can demand to be traded. Matthwes is not a fan of Babcock, so there is no guarantee that his re-signing is set to stone. There is a lot of unknowns...

andrei


Sat Dec 1 2018 3:19 pm EST

Andrei: They can trade him on the offseason. I agree that they cannot keep all of them, so perhaps they should have traded him if they want to run for the cup this year.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 3:06 pm EST

Bob, 100 disagree. If Toronto ends up not re-signing Nylander or not trading him, then they are badly run organization. You only get a few chances to go for the cup. Next summer they will be even in the worst position then they are in now. Say they loose in the 1st or a 2nd round, then Nylander has more leverage. if they win without, then Mariner and Matthews will be looking for an even higher pay raises. Either was, Leafs are screwed. Matthews will be looking for max $12-$12.5 * 8 and Mariner will looking for $10 * 8. This was a clear problem when Toronto had signed JT. There is no way they can keep Mariner/Matthews/Nylander and pay JT $11 mil. it was clear from day 1. So now leafs have no choice but to deal Nylander. they are clearly need another top 12 forward and a top 4 d-man. So if they had a chance to get it and did not got it done, then they fools. If you have a team that has a shot at the cup, you always have to go for it. Injuries are so unpredictable that you can't take a chance and hope to get it done next year. They have an asset that can bring them what they need, so you use it and get what you need. Next season is a next season. You might not have Matthews or Mariner as they also can hold out. You might loose an important player or two right before the playoffs. JT can be lost for a whole season due to injury....

andrei


Sat Dec 1 2018 3:04 pm EST

RF4L - BRENDL was 4 overall in 99. It was (and still is) NYRs only top 5 pick in 52 years. PARK was 2 overall in 66.

Limbo


Sat Dec 1 2018 2:49 pm EST

Jake - yes, Daigle would fit into the 12 of 13 losers that Vic mentioned in his numbers. I think the overall point that he was trying to make was that, if you don’t have opportunity to draft a high pick (in the same range where Daigle was picked), then your odds of winning a cup go from 1 in 13 to more than FIFTY TIMES worse: 1 in 670. Vic - did I get that right?

Limbo


Sat Dec 1 2018 2:12 pm EST

Curious...we know the best dman drafted and develooed by the Ranger (Leetch) and they've had 3 superb drafted and developed goalies (Giacomin Richter and the King). Who's their best d and d forward? Ratelle probably and that was before the draft came into being. Since the draft who? Steve Vickers?? I'd love to be able to say Rick Middleton but he's only 1 d. Now think abiut this: Who was their highest drafted firward? Wayne Dillon??

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 2:01 pm EST

They: clearly Dahlin will be shown to be a total bust and should’ve been taken in the fourth round.

E


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:45 pm EST

should have read: ""They want a Forward too, depending on which forward gets the deal done "WILL" then dictate the incidentals we MAY have to counter with""

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:38 pm EST

BOB: I was trying to convey that we need to "pay the piper" for the reason you state... In all likelihood the bidding after this season is going to drive the price up on NYLANDER, SO, lets wet their appetite now... (that's my thought)

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:10 pm EST

PFFFTT... stupid #1 overall draft picks....who needs a generational talent? ...not the NYR, that's for sure.... per NHL.com ‏ Verified account @NHLdotcom ... Sabres defenseman Rasmus Dahlin, with 10 points (1G, 9A) in 15 games, has been named the NHL’s Rookie of the Month for November.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:00 pm EST

Thanks MF!

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:00 pm EST

Toronto would be idiots to deal Nylander unless it is for a player like Doughty. I don’t think that Dubas is that dumb. Nobody is going to offer a package that is worth moving a kid with that skill at his age. And if Nylander sits out the year, so what? They would be much better off dealing him around the draft if he will not stay in Toronto. I think he will sign today.

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:56 pm EST

SCHERBAK: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10871

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:55 pm EST

anyone here not familiar with NYLANDER'S production? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10756/stats ..... 2014 Entry Draft in which he was drafted 1/8: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2014e.html ...... Wallsters, we need Top 3 Talent .... We need to make a trade.... The sand is running out of the Hour Glass "My Sweeties!" He would most likely be the Best Talent in the trade..... Lower level talent is almost always easier to replace........ TORONTO said they want a Top 4 defenseman, SKJEI / SHATTENKIRK, do they prefer a LHS or RHS ? I'd part with anyone Not Named PIONK on D. ... They want a Forward too, depending on which forward gets the deal done who then dictate the incidentals we MAY have to counter with...... LEGS: Did you make the Call? Tell GORDO he's gonna be swimming with the Fishes..... Get Er Done!

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:53 pm EST

Who the heck is Scherbak?

Bob


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:43 pm EST

We might actually have a shot at Scherbak.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:18 pm EST

David Pagnotta ‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Canadiens place Nikita Scherbak on waivers

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:48 am EST

As for tanking two words ...Alexander Diagle. Ottawa tanked to pick him, everyone said he was can’t miss. That didnt work out to well. For every Cosby there is a Diagle. Got have talented talent evaluators. Btw on that draft Ottawa tanked for they passed on pronger and kariya.

Jake0104


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:42 am EST

Vic...excellent and logical argument. Hope Gorton reads this board!! ;^)

RF4l


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:37 am EST

Shattenkirk like many watching the Ottawa game probably said something like ..... is Tony De’Angelo on crack... again LOL

Jake0104


Sat Dec 1 2018 11:18 am EST

MF... If you're the NYR you could trade a guy like Smith, but you'd get penny's on the dollar for him as opposed to trading him at the deadline for max value. ALSO, if you're TO, wouldn't you be better off trading him at the draft when you have twice as many teams being able to afford him? JMO, but I think if the Leafs felt like they had to trade him, he would've been gone already.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:54 am EST

Rhet, wouldn't a team clear cap to make room?

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:42 am EST

BTW, the reason that Nylander will most likely NOT be traded is that his cap hit for the 2nd half of this season will be around $9 mil(if he signs for $7 mil per). Starting next season, his cap hit will go down under $7 mil per season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:27 am EST

VIC - Good numbers..Maybe you are correct..Or maybe there is some type of hybrid of aquiring that top end player without totally tanking/tear down to get the top pick? Also, I'm not even sure how much the Rangers can really intentionally tank right now with not alot of solid high-value vets (especially given Hayers and Zucc's pending UFA) to trade for futures....But, in the end, it's all just a debate with no impact....What matters is what GORDO DOES...and I don't think his hand has totally been tipped yet in that regard and the nex 6-9 months will show....the trading for pics or keeeping of ZUCC, HAYES, KREDIER, ZBAD, NAMESTNIKOV D-men will be the barometer

Hospo


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:24 am EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... Not to over simplify things but it’s pretty elementary: TOR will make its final, best offer to William Nylander today. He’ll either accept it or not. It’s highly highly highly unlikely, tho technically still possible, he’ll be traded. Sign or sit for the year seems to sum it up.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:17 am EST

or... maybe he said: "get me out of this f-g place."That's okay Kevin, I will take you to the airport .... https://nypost.com/2018/12/01/david-quinn-kevin-shattenkirk-are-ready-to-move-on/

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:16 am EST

What your wishes or opinions are mean little. It’s up to fishpie and what he does and doesn’t do.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:12 am EST

IMO, It sounds like someone was talking shit on the bench.... per Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... From Montreal: Quinn, Shattenkirk move on from what Post has learned was incident on bench in Ottawa. https://nyp.st/2KPjHI0 via @nypostsports

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 10:07 am EST

Jake0104......Amen!! Additionally, most here were jerk--- off when they were on their streak. Now, it's doom and gloom. They are going to be a very tough team to play against in the not too distant future. Just relax and find a hobby or two...

kitchen1


Sat Dec 1 2018 9:36 am EST

Vic I agree.. there were better players available to draft. But in the small sample of games I see a different player than you and that why I wanted him skating first line against Ottawa than Strome. So far I see a good skater with vision and creativity who is willing to mix it up and is better than average defensively. I believe goals will follow but they need to let him play with better linemates than he has so far enjoyed. To help his development Lias should get get more minutes than Strome or Namestikov each and every game. He has been too good internationally to not give him every opportunity to succeed. I think he has the tools but maybe you will be right and he is Malhotra right now I dont see that I see a very good top six forward in the making. Just give him time

Jake0104


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:32 am EST

Vic I am right there with you. I have been on the complete rebuild bandwagon maybe three times since the dark years. This is the closest they are coming to doing one. They need to embrace it and do it right. Otherwise we will have another 50+ year drought...already halfway there...gawd...as a fan you can't get caught up in some small winning streak, as fun as it can be to watch. Gorten can't get caught up in it either and make wrong short term moves to hopefully make the playoffs. And we don't know what kind of pressure he is getting from Dolan. I know there are many here that can't stand the idea of being bad for 2 or 3 more years, and maybe they ARE old and can't wait. But the win now at all costs mentality is selfish and I don't subscribe to it. Have a nice day!

NYStranger


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:12 am EST

E and JAKE: E, You and I both criticized the pick of ANDERSSON for the same reasons. And we were right. But since the pick was made I would like nothing more then for ANDERSSON to be a great, top 3 player. But I don't see it. I haven't seen it. At all. He works hard. He hustles. He hits. He goes to the net. But he doesn't have the hands or vision to be a top 6 player. This is his second season full of camp and auditions with the Rangers. I haven't seen a single play (even one that doesn't result in a goal) that looked like a play that a skilled Center would create. Until I see some evidence (ANY EVIDENCE) that he can be more then a 3rd liner in the NHL my opinion of him isn't going to change. He can still have a long and successful career like MANNY did. But if folks are counting on him to be the #1 Center of the future then from all evidence so far you are going to be very disappointed......

Vic


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:05 am EST

HOSPO: You said "fullblown risky rebuild". This is what drives me nuts. And you are aren't the only one who does this so I don't mean to just single you out. But this mentality that a full blown rebuild getting top a top 4 pick (or picks) is "risky" is 100 percent wrong. In fact, if your goal is to win the Cup doing a full blown rebuild gives you a 1 in 13 chance to win the Cup since the lockout. NOT doing a full blown rebuild gives you a 1 in 670 chance to win the Cup since the lockout. So you tell me. Which route is more "risky" if your goal is to in a Cup??? I don't know how it happens that people fixate on a few teams that have done full blown rebuilds and have failed. Yet they totally ignore the fact that the teams that are winning the Cup are the teams who have done full blown rebuilds. And the ratio is so lopsided that you can honestly say that teams that do a full rebuild have a chance to win a Cup, but teams that don't do a full rebuild have almost no chance to win a Cup. There is no guarantee that a team that does a full blown rebuild will win a Cup, but they have a chance. On the other hand if you want guarantees the numbers tell you that if you don't do a full blown rebuild you can guarantee that you aren't going to win a Cup. How is that for risky????

Vic


Sat Dec 1 2018 8:03 am EST

Lias is not a 3rd liner.

Jake0104


Sat Dec 1 2018 7:26 am EST

“We’ve talked about it, for sure. It’s just not acceptable to play the way we have on the road lately,” said Quinn, who will change it up by holding a full-team morning skate. “We’ve got a big test [Saturday], not only against our opponent, but we’re going to be testing ourselves against ourselves.”

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 1 2018 2:13 am EST

Rhet: t/y on the updates

mf


Sat Dec 1 2018 1:38 am EST

LOOKING FOR VERIFICATION ON THIS.... per DHB ‏ @DailyHockeyBuzz .... William Nylander has re-signed with the Toronto Maple Leafs. 6-year deal, $41.5M deal according to a source close to Michael Nylander. William Nylander should be back in Toronto early in the morning to finalize any last minute touches.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 1 2018 12:34 am EST

TD.... So because we didn't get rid of everyone at once, it's not a rebuild? Because we didn't rid the team of every veteran, it's not a rebuild? If they don't trade Hank it's not a rebuild? How do you purge every veteran at once from the team? Sell them for penny's on the dollar? Why do they need to purge every veteran from the team? Who would the kids learn from on how to be a professional or the ins and outs of the game? Why would you trade a 26 year old Hayes or a 25 year old Zibanejad unless you were sure that you had someone as good as or better than to replace them? Hell, why can't a 26 year old and 25 year old be a part of the rebuild(same goes for Kreider)? You also can't move every player at one trade deadline. You have a limited number of teams to sell to and you usually have lots of competition from other teams not making the playoffs. It makes more sense not to sell everyone off at once. Plus, you need to have someone play on your team during the season. What non-building/rebuilding team plays seven rookies? I would also argue that the rookies are better off learning from DQ than they would be in the AHL. I don't totally understand the 2nd half of your post. It almost seems like you're making an argument for it being a rebuild ....WILD... with all the drama currently going around LA and Kovalchuk, IMO it's highly unlikely. He seems to be pouting more than a little bit ....SCHNEIDW.... We also got Tony DeAngelo in the Stepan deal. We mostly did Raanta a solid. The guy wasn't going to re-sign with us because he wanted to start. We sent him to a team where he could start. It's kind of hard to say that he had high trade value, look at what we got for Talbot. It's hard to get max value for a goalie when he doesn't play a lot and with Hank here, he was never going to play a lot. It's ironic. There were a lot of people on this board that wanted Stepan left unprotected for the expansion draft because they felt that no one would take his contract off our hands. Now, we didn't get enough for him. In that draft, we also left Antti Raanta unprotected and he was not taken. Curiouser and curiouser.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:41 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller recorded an assist in the second period of Wisconsin's game tonight, and he has registered 11 points (two goals, nine assists) in 15 games (including tonight) this season.... #NYR prospect Riley Hughes has registered a goal in the first period tonight for Victoria (BCHL). He has recorded 30 points (15 goals, 15 assists) in 30 games this season and ranks second among BCHL rookies in goals..... Hughes has recorded two more points in the second period, giving him three points (2 G, 1 A) thus far tonight. He has 32 points (16 G, 16 A) this season, 8 points (4 G, 4 A) over his 5-game point streak, and he has also recorded a point in 9 of the last 10 games (10 G, 5 A). #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:28 pm EST

Schneider: I’ve been critical of the selection of Lias Andersson because I don’t think he was the better player there but I’ve seen nothing that leads me to believe that his upside is 3rd liner. There is a lot to like in the way Lias plays. And while he isn’t some ferrari that’s gonna make his way with an all world shot he’s a bull in a china shop making a mess of everything and somehow willing himself into a good scoring position. We shall see where that leads but don’t sell him short. There is a lot to like with Lias. And it isn’t bottom-6 material.

E


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:26 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/all-access/article/the-coyotes-underdog-raanta-breathing-life-into-on-ice-turnaround-in-arizona

schneidw


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:26 pm EST

STEPAN trade: Raanta was way overlooked part of the deal.... PHX very happy with their end of the trade... especially since Lias is looking like 3rd liner at best

schneidw


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:15 pm EST

RF4L - 40 games? Not sure he should have even got 5 minutes..

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:46 pm EST

Two years ago it was Gordo's "retool on the fly".That failed big time..I for one can't saay what the hell the Rangers are doing yet..They had to aquire all the kids and picks at the deadline no matter what...Yet, many veterans are still here..Are they just being held till the right deal comes along over the next few months as a fullblown risky rebuild goes on?..or will a number of veterans be kept or even added to with trades and nezt summer UFAs to go along with the existing kids and maybe a few more in a more accelrated re-modeling...? what happens between now and JUly will show the way

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:28 pm EST

https://foreverblueshirts.com/rangers-roundup-shatty-in-trouble-and-panarins-agent-makes-interesting-comment-on-twitter/

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:09 pm EST

Rhet: Wonder if he is developing the same ankle issue Forsberg had. He was healthy for the most part his entire career....then suddenly his ankles started to deteriorate. He had special skates made, they had special braces made over his last 2-3 seasons. He then had multiple surgeries so he could walk without pain once he retired.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:06 pm EST

Phucknuts Wilson does it again...40 games!!

RF4l


Fri Nov 30 2018 8:47 pm EST

https://puckprose.com/2018/11/30/nhl-trade-rumors-3-best-fits-rangers-forward-mats-zuccarello/

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 8:25 pm EST

mean-while: SLegs thinks he's calling PhishBoy regarding the trades: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT4__Nz5HWY

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 8:23 pm EST

re-build, re-tool, re-direct, re-shape, "semantics!" ..... how much of a fire-sale in one season can a team orchestrate before they drive down the values of the players they hope to move?

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 8:09 pm EST

Rhet0ric - well, if it is a “rebuild” then someone aught to explain to GORTON that you can’t rebuild something that is still standing. If it was a rebuild...and I will argue vociferously that it is not...then there’s zero explaining why HAYES and ZUCC weren’t purged either atthe deadline or the draft. And for that matter, why guys like KREIDER and ZIBANEJAD are still on the team. Hell, even FAST and SHATTENKIRK...hell, for that matter, why LUNDQVIST was asked if he wanted to stay, and not summarily told he was leaving...what they’re doing doing is akin to turning a ship. They’re not blowing it up to build a new one...another piece of evidence? Look at who they keep calling up: Guys that have a future with the organization. You could easily argue that it would be better for guys like CHYTIL, ANDERSSON, HOWDEN and now GETTINGER should be in Hartford...and that we shouldninstead be seeing BELESKEY, HOLLAND, BUTLER and another scrub...what they’re doing instead is adding to the core they identified before the deadline last season. They may subtract from said core here and there as need be necessary...but I do t think you’ll see nearly the wholesale changes as you did last year. So in short, you can’t rebuild a building if most of it is still standing as it was before. You may disagree with the method...I do not...but that is what all the evidence points to.

tdchi


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:45 pm EST

Aivis Kalni?š ‏ @A_Kalnins ... I’m calling it a bull on Kovalchuk injury. The guy hasn’t had many health issues for years and all of a sudden his ankles are falling off while sitting on the bench?

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:37 pm EST

Jon Rosen ‏ Verified account @lakingsinsider ..... Kovalchuk is dealing with an ankle thing and isn’t likely to play tonight, per WD.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:26 pm EST

CosmosLegs: Welcome back from Space travel, how's Elvis? Call your boy FishPhuck and tell him to consummate a deal. IF he does, the TIMERATOR says yes, and IF he doesn't the TIMERATOR says no..... Remind him that we can eat some Salary, like $650K per on SHATTENKIRK for the next 3 seasons. Shatty at $6mill per looks a lot more attractive than $6.65mill per....... Let us know how the call goes...

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:01 pm EST

Irving moofman is your timerator working yet ? See if nylander is a nyr this season.

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 6:51 pm EST

NHLRumorMill ‏ @NHLrumorsOT ..... My understanding is they have made their last offer and Nylander will let them know by tomorrow. TOR has asked at least 3 teams to submit formal offers that I know of: CAR, PHI and FLA. It’s likely other teams are involved.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 6:49 pm EST

Irving moofman I’m on it , I’m going over his gills. .... How can Toronto be under the cap next season?

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 6:33 pm EST

A damn shame, I thought they wanted a top 4 D'man and a top 9 forward !?! We have both, we can eat some salary, AND, we have a chance to acquire a TOP 10 22 y/o pick who has a 2-3 NHL track record (read: low risk if any) to make up for Sather's trading away 1st rounders, except this is better because NYL's has proven himself...... LEGS, dial up FishFace and get him into action.....

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 6:24 pm EST

It looks like it's down to sit or sign.... per McKenzie: "I don't think there's a very good chance of William Nylander being traded at the deadline at all." #LeafsForever

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 6:12 pm EST

As of two mins ago, Bob McKenzie of TSN here in Canada reports there is no Nylander deal. That means there is no Nylander deal.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 30 2018 5:32 pm EST

TD.... It better be a rebuild because they aren't good enough/talented enough to win anything. You can't UFA your way out of this.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 5:21 pm EST

Tom Castro drinking the fan koolaid. Put the purple down, Tom, and repeats after me: This is NOT a rebuild. I repeat: NOT a rebuild. Never was. But because some fans so desperately WANT a rebuild...they continue to push this idea on blogs and twitter and it has bled into the lexicon of the mainstream Media. Never was a rebuild. Retool, yes. But that is all.

tdchi


Fri Nov 30 2018 5:17 pm EST

mf - the Oilers, even under a total unadulterated boob like CHIARELLI, would never...I repeat...NEVER trade BOUCHARD less than a year after drafting him. I know you know this and you’re thinking wistfully...but to put things in perspective and to drive home this point, you DO recognize that the Oil, while guilty of some highly questionable deals, are basically a franchise that won’t part with talented young players unless 1. They’ve proven to be a total bust without a shroud of doubt(see YAKUPOV, GAGNER, PAAJARVI), or 2. Someone offers them a deal they THINK is a big upgrade(HALL, EBERLE). But even in that latter category, they waited until each was an established NHLer...even the guys thy gave up on “early”(see: DUBNYK, COLIGANO, PETRY) got at least a couple to three years under their belt in Edmonton before being moved...so hate to burst your bubble, but even dumbass Chiarelli ain’t moving BOUCHARD...and in the bizzaro world where he is, the asking price would assuredly be KRAVTSOV or some peice you or I or any Ranger fan wouldn’t want to see moved for a kid in juniors...lemme also point out here something that _Arc has so eloquently established: THE RANGERS DON’T NEED MORE DEFENSEMEN!! We have eight(!!) in New York and seven in Hartford...and two in Maine. And guess what? Note are on the way. Soon. Even on the off chance Shattenkirk is moved, that simply makes us a normal team with seven NHL defensemen...though one of those seven really deserves to be on the bench...but I digress.

tdchi


Fri Nov 30 2018 5:13 pm EST

OLA.... There's allegedly reports out of Sweden that Nylander has signed a bridge deal. Anything that you can verify one way or the other?

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 4:46 pm EST

RDW: I believe that EDMONTON has finally opened their eyes to the mess they have created... They've had 5-6 bites at the apple by way of top 10 draft picks and as their roster has grown up the Team has not... They should have been making the Playoffs for at least the last 3 possibly 4 seasons.... Seems like HITCHCOCK is more than just head coach, he has managements ear and he's making some moves, but make no mistake, they can't compete with Nashville, TBL, Toronto, Winnepeg, San Jose, Dallas..... They need 2 Defensemen, not 1, they need to rid themselves of LUCIC at $6mill per, they may have to tough it out with him until they can buy him out, and that won't be palatable for another 2 seasons after this one. (just look what Girardi cost us on a buyout, he's still costing us $3.611 mill this year AND next and then it drops to $1.11 mill for a couple more years) IF we want to rip the Ranger roster down to the studs, EDMONTON is a good target to trade with. We need to gauge their desperation accurately..... jmho snatcherally

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 4:15 pm EST

BTW, I should've mentioned that it's not a legit report. #NYLANDER still unsigned.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 4:08 pm EST

Fred Nilsson ‏ @fred_nilsson .... BREAKING NEWS.... Willam Nylander is reportedly leaving Sweden after signing a 3 year 7.5 million dollar bridge deal with the Toronto Maple Leafs

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 3:23 pm EST

WC: the first thing EDM can start with is eating $1mill per, all of a sudden LUCIC is marketable

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:31 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... So--hypothetically--regarding a Nylander trade...Would he agree to one year deal with signing bonus that would (wink, wink) be extended following 1/1...one month of unsecured play (with presumably a hefty insurance policy)...Would NHL register contract(s) or claim circumvention?

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:28 pm EST

Really scraping the scum off the bottom of the barrel in bringing Littieri back...but I guess with both FOGARY and GETTINGER already up, it was time to bring up somebody a little quicker but also gets nothing done......E - Yeah, cohesion is a bitch..but it can be done when the GM, Coach and players work it together just like that brand new team from last year did

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:22 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Almost forgot - Adam McQuaid is getting closer, and DQ said he may be within two weeks away from returning.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:16 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Alexandar Georgiev will be in goal tomorrow night, expecting Lundqvist to get the nod Sunday before the Rangers week off #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:15 pm EST

mf: If its not the next 3 first rounders....sorry...no way I would touch that deal...6 mil for like 5 more years or something....yikes...what a bad deal that is.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:14 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Blueshirts lines in practice today: ....Kreider-Hayes-Chytil.... Vesey-Zibanejad-Fast.... Strome-Howden-Andersson.... DeAngelo (will be Lettieri)-Gettinger-Fogarty.... Staal-Pionk.... Claesson-Shattenkirk.... Skjei-Smith

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:13 pm EST

Bouchard is not only Edmonton's best D prospect, and they are weak on defense as it is, but he's probably their top overall prospect. They are not trading him for Shatty

RDW


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:12 pm EST

Wonder how bad Edmonton wants rid of LUCIC and his anvil of a contract?

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:09 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ....DQ says Vinni Lettieri is coming up from HFD.... So that means it looks like Tony D is out for tomorrow. Today's pairs were 18-44; 33-22 and 76-42.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 2:02 pm EST

TD: build on that trade.. EDM needs to start making the Playoffs yesteryear.. They need a Defenseman, SHATTENKIRK or a LHS and get Bouchard... SHATTENKIRK is too old for this rebuild at the moment and at $6.65 mill....

mf


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:57 pm EST

My cousin Vinny was my second choice. I prefer Beleskey right now. But fishpie will eventually get the memo kick in the arse from jimmyboy ala Colton Orr , hopefully.

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:50 pm EST

TD... Edmonton Oilers ‏ Verified account @EdmontonOilers .... With our waiver acquisition of forward Valentin Zykov from Carolina, the #Oilers have also assigned forward Patrick Russell to the @Condors.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:41 pm EST

The NYR will now have 7 rookies on their team, plus Neal Pionk who is just three games over to be considered one.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:25 pm EST

GO VINNI GO.... per Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ... Lettieri will rejoin Rangers on recall from Hartford. 0 replies 1 retweet 2 likes

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:18 pm EST

HomeNew York Rangers Rising Rangers Need to Keep Focus on Future BY TOM CASTRO NOVEMBER 30TH, 2018 The word “rebuild” has been thrown about so much regarding the New York Rangers since February, it seemed as if the team adopted it as the official slogan for the 2018-19 season. We’re not hearing it much anymore, of course. Clearly, the Rangers’ talent base is considerably better than it showed at the end of last season. Clearly, new coach David Quinn is an even better find than the front office realized. Now, the Blueshirts are in the mix for a playoff spot in the early going, and their newfound work ethic, confidence and attention to detail under Quinn suggest they have a real chance to at least remain in the postseason picture throughout the season. This is a squad that’s exhibiting cohesiveness, focus and a desire to keep getting better. That, however, is where this all gets a little dicey.... The fact remains that the Rangers are far from a a finished product. The roster is still in need of significant refinement to return to true perennial contender status. Hard work on a nightly basis has obscured some of the holes which are expected to be filled in future seasons by the litany of prospects that are on their way..... Given that, general manager Jeff Gorton needs to keep things in perspective, to stick to the rebuilding (there’s the word again) plan the front office laid out last winter. A major part of that strategy has been parting with veteran assets that will be missed in the short term but whose departure will benefit the club in the long term – an approach that has already yielded strong results in the form of a deep prospect base.... https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-focus-on-rebuild/?utm_content=buffer72426&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 1:05 pm EST

in a funny car or a Zamboni ?....Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 27m27 minutes ago Rangers working on driving to the net today.

stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:53 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Now, the power play. 93, 20, 21, 16 and 44 on the first unit.... 22, 26, 72, 16 and 13 on the second.... And yes, I know 16 was out on both.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:39 pm EST

I will say this: the Oilers now have one too many forwards...and ZYKOV could mean that they have finally come to terms with the fact that they need to move PULJUJARVI. And if THAT is the case, fire up the tradeorator...because that is a deal the Rangers must be in on. I would absolutely worship the ground Gorton walks on if he can pull that one off without moving any serious pieces.

tdchi


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:35 pm EST

I am continually flummoxed by how some GMs use the waiver wire...and how very talented players basically slip onto it periodically even though they probably could have been traded for at least something..the latest case is that of Valentin ZYKOV, a talented beast of a forward who toiled —with some success —in the Carolina organization. ZYKOV, who played on BUCHNEVICH’s WJC team that won a bronze in 2013-14, had seven points in 10 games with the Canes last season. But he struggled to fit in this year and was apparently being offered around the league since the start of the season...no takers...but...well...circumstances change everything...and the Rangers are desperate for a winger who has talent and can pot goals at the NHL level...even when ZUCC does come back, there’s a good chance he’ll be moved eventually...and Buch is still at least a couple weeks away from playing in a game...sooo...why not offer ANYTHING to Carolina for ZYKOV? Brind’Amour has to recognize that a player like him is NOT gonna make it through 30 teams...and to be clear, the Rangers never got a crack at claiming him...they are/were two spots down from Edmonton, who picked him up...but why not make an offer? Why not see if they’d take a seventh rounder? Or maybe offer a guy who has no future here like O’GARA or...well...ANYTHING? ZYKOV would have been the penultimate Rangers reclamation project...a guy cast away by two organizations...but young and loaded with talent...why not take a crack at him? Even if he ends up on the bench when everyone is healthy, he could come in handy if/when ZUCC is traded. I really don’t get it.

tdchi


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:32 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Looks like 20-13-72 is back together. 26 is with 93 and 17. 16 is down with 50 and 21. 77 is with 25 and 38. Smith is partnered on defense with Skjei.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:29 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Rangers skating with same group at practice in Montreal but are expected to recall forward for tomorrow night v Habs.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:18 pm EST

So with the game last night being the final game in November we have another question in the Texas Pick'em Pool finalized. HANK was pulled from only 1 game total in October and November (November 15th vs the Islanders). So the winning answer to that question was 0-1. Congrats to E and DREW for getting that one correct.

Vic


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:14 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ... EDM claims Zykov ....E... I have not seen any trade rumors that involve trading Kreider for Nylander.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:06 pm EST

I’m not going to trade Chris Krieder as part of a package for Nylander. He’s cap right and he’s producing very nicely. Nylander is a borderline superstar to be sure but you wanna get him and have no one to give the puck to? Secondly, Nylanders gonna pass the puck to who???

E


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:05 pm EST

Rhet: I'm guessing DQ probably saw something in Shatty's game that they've probably working on and he's still doing the wrong thing. They go way back so I'm sure he's probably just trying to get him playing up to the level he believes he should be playing at. I thought Shatty had a slow start to the season, timing seemed off and he was a little hesitant. Lately he looks a little more comfortable. Maybe DQ feels he needs more out of him and he can no longer use last seasons injury as an excuse anymore?

RDW


Fri Nov 30 2018 12:00 pm EST

Vic unless fishpie is saving cap space for nylander or someone else, he needed to bring a forward up. the nyr are good enough to make the playoffs, but the injuries are affecting them . ....whatever that call was last night on quickie , changed the complexion if not the end result. ....but it was a tank game by fishpie....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:37 am EST

Lost 3 out 4. Like i said, this team plays exextly what is expected from them. One of the worst teams in NHL. All good in my book. You can call an asshole all you want, but i'm a realist and I don't believe in the alternate reality, where this team makes the playoffs. Rangers are now 6 points away from dropping to the 3rd worst record. You want to be in top 3. Loose for Hudges. Time to place a call to get the deal done for Nylander. Skejei and Krider for Nylander and a 2nd/3rd pick. Get it done..

andrei


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:37 am EST

JMO, but if Nylander is not traded today, then he wont be traded. The acquiring team will need some time to iron out a contract. His deadline is 5pm tomorrow or he wont be able to play for the rest of this season... ALSO... Bob McKenzie said the trade market for Nylander’s been shrinking because of the high cap hit for this season if he signs before the deadline. “So if Nylander gets a contract in the high-sixes from the Leafs with an AAV (average annual value) of $6.8 or $6.9 million. The first-year cap hit is going to be up around $9.5 million. The Leafs love that because a high cap hit doesn’t hurt them and then you get lower cap hits in the remaining years. For teams like the Los Angeles Kings, Anaheim Ducks and Minnesota Wild that have interest in Nylander, they can’t afford a $9.5 million cap hit this year.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:32 am EST

HOSPO: cohesion is a bitch. When nothing is going right, you simplify your game. If the other team is clicking they see and feel it and bring the pain. A team like the previous winning seasons could take those body blows and come roaring back. This team takes the body blows and on some nights they’ll just get buried on the ropes.

E


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:09 am EST

STEVIE: Did you really call that a "tank game"? What do they have in Hartford that would have made any difference last night? NOTHING. I'm fine with them bringing up BELESKEY if they want to add some grit to that 4th line but that would have made ZERO difference last night. This isn't a good team. There is no help in Hartford that is going to change that. The little winning streak was nice, but it was an illusion. There is some talent here for sure. But not anywhere near enough to be a team taken seriously. And no matter how hard you work you it doesn't compensate for a lack of talent unless you play a team that doesn't work hard, doesn't have any talent either or is just out of sync. There are a bunch of those teams early in the season. But most teams start to get their act together by Thanksgiving. And the playoff teams usually separate themselves by the deadline. Wins are going to get a lot harder to come by as the season moves on.....

Vic


Fri Nov 30 2018 11:07 am EST

E - I hear ya on what DQ is attempting to do, and it is needed...But it wasn't just last night..It has been most of the last 4 games..Just as some of the players are not putting out the effort and performance maybe, despite his intentions, DQ is not pushing or hasnt found the right buttons yet? It is a process,,It takes time...but he and the players have to find that level of conistent effort...winning/losing will come after

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:28 am EST

HOSPO: since the erosion of the teams leadership began around 2014 one thing is clear to me right now. DQ is attempting to build a culture. Last night, they were just out of sync. A mark of a fragile team for me is when you get hurt early and lose the momentum and cannot get it back. I saw too much standing around, too many errant passes, too much predictable play that Ottawa was all over. And couple that with Ottawa getting those overloads on the back check and smothering the New York Rangers on the boards. The NYR got the loss they deserved. I saw DQ animated on the bench. He was coaching, he was prodding, he was giving those “atta boys” on good plays. Just can’t beat a dead fish back to life...

E


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:22 am EST

They are preoccupied with Christmas. And fishpie is playing the fiddle. He’s next on my hit parade to go . He has no excuses for not bringing a forward up .

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:17 am EST

RF4L - True that without the high end skill the team and coach has to make up for it with consistent all out efforts and team chemistry...The entire team plays hardrr and together, more offense (not as much as from high end skill) will emerge..The Rangers, right now, seem to be going in the opposite direction..yes, they have alot of young and new players and it takes time ..but the individual effort. leadership and performancs of the vets has to show the way...and that has been lacking....just like how it was under AV...Don't know why ..and i dont have the answer..But, like I said before, the players have to dig MUCH deeper and DQ has to command/demand more...or maybe there's just no getting blood from a stone

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 10:15 am EST

Looking at the stats this morning from last nights game Shattenkirk was the NYR best player on the ice last night. It makes the benching/why DQ was so pissed off even more curious.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:59 am EST

These numerous poor efforts that don't seem to be going away have plagued the Rangers from the outset when they had their entire lineup available. To me it's more about a lack of leadership and SKILLED leadership than anything else. The Rangers continue to lack a true high end player who can make a difference on the scoreboard. Until that is accomplished (if it's accomplished) the Rangers will not be able to succeed without most of the team playing hard, committed hockey. No team is always on but good teams - winning teams - have a player or players with the ability to come through on team off-nights. It's the same concept as winning a cup, albeit in not quite so dramatic fashion. SKill wins. Lack of skill doesn't. And yes I know that this isn't automatic - just as there are examples that skill wins (Pittsburg, Chicago, Washington, etc), there are examples that it doesn't (Florida, Edmonton, Islanders etc). Lack of skill, however, doesn't win, at least not with any semblance of regularity. JMFGO of course...

rF4l


Fri Nov 30 2018 9:41 am EST

DQ has a different demeanor in the postgame then he did earlier in the season...Seems less feisty and more accepting of this poor play...Earlier in the season he was more upset with a loss...Not in Torts fashion but in a good way....

PJ


Fri Nov 30 2018 8:50 am EST

It's not easy when 4 of your top 12 forwards (yes, Mcleod is the 12th forward on this team and I know Namestnikov isnt much of one) are out of the lineup, but that is no excuse for the putrid efforts during most of the last 4 games...Players and Coach have to dig deeper than thay have been..Glad for the Shattenkirk benching...more are needed..and, without a doubt. BELESKY should be recalled or anotehr veteran obtained..

Hospo


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:23 am EST

I am now curious about what Captain Kirk did or said that the mighty Quinney wasn’t very happy about .... anybody see captain mcdoodie parmenter get boarded last night? The reason the nyr are where they are has to do mainly with him and Assvipe. Between his injuries, playing hurt, and his injuring of teammates was way more than I could accept .... that c turned into a d for destruction...

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 7:11 am EST

Wow .....https://www.nhl.com/news/c-302441928

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 30 2018 5:57 am EST

With all these injuries, they shouldn’t be calling up these not ready for prime time players. Time to call Beleskey up to fill in for their fearless leader and punching bag iCloud. There was little reason to go with 7 d , except to save cap $. That was a tank game by sending that message. There should not be any rushing of kids in any situation . But I get the feeling there will be more of that philosophy to stop this team from being too successful this season. Thanks fishpie.

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:49 pm EST

May have had less offense than in the Flyer game....Really a heartless effort...Skjei/TonyD pairing downright scary....Kreider a captain...Laughable...

PJ


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:39 pm EST

SCREW HUGHES! That being said, boy was that ugly..4 games without Cody Mcleod..and basically 3 games of unready spineless prancing...alot of passengeers

Hospo


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:31 pm EST

Quinn on Shattenkirk not playing in the third, “that will be between Kevin and I.” ....Did it have to do with his play, “that will be between Kevin and I.”

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:26 pm EST

I didn't notice SHATTENKIRK was any worse then anyone else tonight. Did anyone see anything that happened with SHATTENKIRK that would have earned him a benching? DQ seemed a little pissed at him in that post game.

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:25 pm EST

Lose for Hughes...

RF4l


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:15 pm EST

We're not as bad as this loss, but we're also not as good as our previous win streak either.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:07 pm EST

EWE'S

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:02 pm EST

That was glorified public skating by the Rangers. Other than Andersson and Claesson, not much effort out there. Shattenkirk and Strome on the pine pinky all 3rd period. Pretty weak.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:57 pm EST

NEWFIE:. I said the same thing....

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:56 pm EST

How was that for entertainment???? When you are out-worked, out-skated and out-skilled by Ottawa you know your team is in trouble. I think we can safely say that little win streak is behind them. Lose for HUGHES!

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:53 pm EST

Not that we were gonna make this big comeback or anything but that was a stupid, stupid, selfish penalty by #77

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:51 pm EST

Easiest shutout of Craig Anderson’s career. Dude could have been sitting in a recliner.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:49 pm EST

Zaitsev said Shattenkirk can wear #22 :-)

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:32 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis ....Skjei-Smith and Claesson-DeAngelo to start the third. Assuming Shattenkirk will take Smith's spot on fourth line -- if they ever get on. #NYR down, 3-0.... Nope, Strome went with fourth line. Looks like Shattenkirk just might be benched. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:28 pm EST

not for the Canadians

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:18 pm EST

Saturday night in Montreal in regular season has been a nightmare since the 70s.

Jake0104


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:08 pm EST

We just can't do it ,with 3 of our top 9 forwards out. No chemistry at all. Not looking forward to the Habs game on Sat. but I'm gonna watch it.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:07 pm EST

3-0 should be 5-1 take your pick

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:03 pm EST

This is brutal. First on the list is Ryan Strome. Spooner was useless. Strome is not much better. If Ottawa could hit the net, it would be worse.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:00 pm EST

Embarrassing

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:57 pm EST

Too bad Gettinger and Fogarty are not faster they hustle and work Hard .,..unfortunately they are 4th liners at best.

Jake0104


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:45 pm EST

Rangers have Nothing

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:39 pm EST

WHAT Bullshit

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:39 pm EST

That was clearly a goal,. Why was it non-reviewable?

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:38 pm EST

WTF!!!!

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:36 pm EST

This looks like a rebuilding team now. Not a good effort at all.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:31 pm EST

On the Zuccarello article: I've said it before, take any foreign translated article with a grain of salt. The questions are asked out of context and the translation is always awful!

ColoradoMark


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:30 pm EST

Newfie: Yep. I'll take him. He can bring his banjo on the rod with him

Stepunmytoe


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:28 pm EST

NN would've gotten that one.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:27 pm EST

Step.....he may look like that kid but he don't play hockey like him !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:14 pm EST

Claussen might have been our best player that period. Disappointing

Jake0104


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:03 pm EST

Stepunmytoe- Lmao he looks exactly like the banjo kid

tlats


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:03 pm EST

Strome is what Strome is..... just cause we traded for him doesn’t make him a top six forward

Jake0104


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:01 pm EST

2-0 Ottowa This is

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:01 pm EST

Rhet No problem my Friend

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 8:00 pm EST

Jake: After Strome's piss poor checking on the first goal Lias might be replacing him before the period is over

RDW


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:58 pm EST

Really Hank?

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:56 pm EST

LOU,,, TY! i found one but it seemed like everything was down today.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:55 pm EST

Instead of Strome I would have put Lias on that line. He needs to play more. Also I hated Ferguson as a player and GM too. The worst.

Jake0104


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:55 pm EST

1-0 Ottowa embarrassing

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:54 pm EST

Tkachuk looks like the banjo kid in deliverance

Stepunmytoe


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:54 pm EST

Rhet reddit nhl hockey stream usually comes though

rangerlou


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:47 pm EST

WB OLA! (not that you ever left). Hope all is well with you.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:47 pm EST

Bruins retired Rick Middleton’s number tonight. We traded him for Ken freakin Hodge! Wow, I thought that the Park , Ratelle trade for Espo and Vadnais was bad but this one took the cake. I hated John Ferguson before he became Rangers GM but never ever forgive him for that trade. Should have never had a former Montreal Canadiens run the team . You mean to tell me there were no old Rangers around they could have hired?

Caperanger


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:42 pm EST

Maybe I shouldn't have bothered. 0-1

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:39 pm EST

WOW. Tough finding a stream for tonights game.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 7:32 pm EST

Ugh. 7d. WTF. So horrible. Can't they do something better than this ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Nov 29 2018 6:26 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 4m “You may see a defenseman play a little bit of forward tonight.” - #NYR Coach Quinn gives lineup updates for tonight against Ottawa

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 29 2018 4:50 pm EST

MF... I do not have a subscription, but Kasperi Kapanen is buds with Nylander and he just doesn't want to see him get traded. I don't think you'll find any insight to his hold out right now(if that's what you're looking for).

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 4:39 pm EST

Anyone subscribe to The Athletic? (25 minutes ago) https://theathletic.com/684018/2018/11/29/for-kasperi-kapanen-william-nylanders-return-to-the-leafs-would-be-a-dream-come-true/

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 4:29 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... A #NYR spokesman talked to Zuccarello about @kvatningen's story, which people clipped out of context, saying that he's waiting to be traded. Zuccarello said it's not what he said and not how he feels, but he's prepared for anything in the last year of a contract.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 2:18 pm EST

Tough reading the comments from Zuccarello. Still wonder how that Tampa series would have went .

shonuff


Thu Nov 29 2018 1:52 pm EST

I gotta state this: today I’m in LV. Man the Golden Knights are everywhere. There is so much much of an embrace going on. Yesterday I was in Summerlin and it was LVGK on every billboard and #VegasStrong. Went they Henderson to hit up a favorite Hawai’ian joint and same deal. The Raiders must be flat out giddy right now. And MLB and NBA better take notice. This market is ripe.

E


Thu Nov 29 2018 1:21 pm EST

Irving moofman maybe you can bundle the planets .... Elvis and the coat live on .....do you need an interpreter for English? .....bundleator....a 3 way trade with the results 5 years into the future....aka moofing.... https://youtu.be/Hx8QYtBj8WQ

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 29 2018 1:04 pm EST

BTW....all of stuff I posted about the draft is nothing really new. We all kind of know that instinctively. But I don't know that we have ever sat down and tried to put a set of ranges in place that roughly correspond to those talent and potential levels. I guess it would be a good exercise (and a damn time consuming one) to go back and put together a massive results spreadsheet for each draft going back to the lockout. That way you could kind of statistically capture the results of the draft and put some concrete numbers around them. I wouldn't mind doing this as a long term project but we would need to put some kind of quantification for what an elite player is, a first line player, a second line player, 1st pair D, 2nd pair D, etc.

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 1:04 pm EST

OLA, we were taking attendance! :->) That's not entirely true, seems there my be a "tweet" about Zuccarello in some Norwegian Publication and thought you might be able to translate for us.... I'd ask StevieLegs, but he's on Venus with Elvis!

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 12:58 pm EST

Forever Blueshirts talked to the podcaster that interviewed Zuccarello and he provided more context.... “A trade appears to be the most likely outcome. I guess am prepared for it,” Zuccarello said. “Basically, I’m just waiting for it to happen. It’s a tough spot to be in, if I’m being honest.” The 31 year old fan favorite didn’t stop there and his next words will surely sting even more.... “I’ve always said that I only ever want to play for the New York Rangers, but I’ve been thinking … I’m getting older and maybe I could use a new spark”. That new spark would be going to a contender and having a chance to add a Stanley Cup to his career. Still, Zuccarello admitted that it won’t be easy when the day comes.... “It will be a very sad day, of course. I’ve been here a long time and know everyone in the organization, so it will be very sad. But I also think that it can be a positive thing, if it happens. You can get a spark from trying something new.” ....“I feel that I’ve been consistent enough that any clubs who wants to sign me, knows what they’ll get,” Zuccarello explained. “I’ve never evaluated my game based on points”.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 12:43 pm EST

Agree on Smith...Will eventually be the odd man out...

PJ


Thu Nov 29 2018 12:39 pm EST

Mf- I am here! :)

Ola


Thu Nov 29 2018 12:36 pm EST

So, I've kind of been thinking about the draft lately and I thought I would throw this out there as a general thought about the draft. I'd say that the NHL has realized that the draft is critical in a Salary Cap world. And since the Salary Cap came into play team's have pumped a lot more resources, time and energy into trying to get it right. There will always be kids that are drafted high and never work out, or kids drafted in later rounds that turn into stars. But in general I think it is safe to say (at least I'm saying it) that there are "ranges" in the draft where you are likely to find certain level talents. For example.....elite players are typically found in the top 3 of any draft. This is the CROSBY, McDAVID, MATTHEWS, etc. area. Sometimes elite players are drafted later and sometimes guys taken in the top 3 are total busts. But in general I'd say that 80% to 90% of what I would call elite players are taken in the top 3 of the draft. From draft positions 4 through around 12 in your average draft you will typically get guys with #1 line potential. Again, some may end up as elite players but many more in this range are complete busts. From about 13th overall through the 2nd round you general find your 2nd line potential guys. Some may turn out to be more then that. But most in this range never make it to the NHL. Obviously the closer to 13th the higher the chance of becoming something. This is the KREIDER, HAYES, SKJEI, MILLER, STEPAN, etc area. And from the 3rd round on you generally find your bottom 6 guys. If you hit on anything more then that you generally hit a home run with the pick. And if you got a star or elite player it was a miracle pick. But most guys taken in the 3rd round or later will never play an NHL game.

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 12:05 pm EST

E: I agree on SMITH and I think he will be moved sooner rather then later. I can't see him here past the deadline at the latest. And I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him moved in the next few weeks.

Vic


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:57 am EST

PJ: I’ve been saying it for a while. I know Freddie was a bargain basement signing but he really is a late blooming defender. And he seems to thrive with the offensive minded blue liners. Plus for as much as I like how nasty Smith can be, Classson keeps your head on a swivel because he packs a good amount of physicality. Frankly, I’m kind of done with Smith. He had been an average guy in Detroit prone to doing some stupid crap there. He comes to NY and does the same. He has a monster series and gets a great deal and totally craps the bed. Comes back this season leaner and in better shape and he is at best the same guy we saw when he was just arrived from the Wings. At worst, he is the same guy that irritated the Red Wings with solid play mixed with sudden bouts of inexplicable stupidity.

E


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:51 am EST

I’m sure that MZA lives in a world of no delusions when it comes to the future and his role on the NYR. Like Hayes there is a chance that his days are numbered. For him to make a frank comment in an interview means little to me other then to see that MZA understands the world around him. The NYR May move him. Then again they may re-sign him. Letting him go is more likely but...

E


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:43 am EST

mf...……...I was thinking the same thing. Maybe he got pissed off with all that crap that was going on here this past summer ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:16 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Chuck Fletcher and Paul Holmgren meeting today. Sounds like it’s Fletcher’s job to lose. Goalie and center will be among priority adds for the new GM when named.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:14 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ...... Vitali Kravtsov has tallied a power play goal to give Traktor a 2-1 lead in the third period. He has posted his fourth multi-point game of the season, and he leads KHL players younger than 20 years old in goals (five), assists (10), and points (15) this season. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 11:08 am EST

Let Freddie play against his old team...He is better than Smith anyway....

PJ


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:32 am EST

I get that. Plus, I saw it on Twitter which is the realm of idiots. Just thought I would share. Actually, I was wondering about this groin thing or if it was something else. Zucc does not really fit into the coach’s North-South style of game. For me, I thought he should have been traded at the deadline last year. Can’t believe he is worth more in trade now.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:24 am EST

Where's OLA?

mf


Thu Nov 29 2018 10:07 am EST

BOB... In regard to Zucc: The translation is being disputed(usually these things end up being misinterpreted). Also. just because he's waiting to be traded, it could mean tomorrow, next week, next month or the trade deadline. It's very general.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 29 2018 9:53 am EST

Just saw something on Twitter about a Norwegian podcast where Zucc says that he is “just waiting to be traded.” Interesting. If true, the Rangers will get less for him than they would have at the deadline.

Bob


Thu Nov 29 2018 5:24 am EST

The Foxwoods five...https://nypost.com/2018/11/28/rangers-working-to-fix-weakness-that-hasnt-cost-them-yet/

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 11:00 pm EST

Then tough nuggies on him, time to give Toronto the reason to sign and trade him to NY..... At 22 y/o and his production records, he fits VIC's profile on who to throw a long term contract at.... jmnshosnatcherally

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 10:57 pm EST

RF: no one can own the TRADERATOR. one can only hope to feed off it's energy

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 10:56 pm EST

MF.... Nylander has a few more years of being a RFA and per the CBA, he can't get a NTC/NMC in RFA years. So he's basically SOL in that regard.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 10:30 pm EST

mf: Also, 2nd contracts have no ability to include NTCs/NMCs. No wonder that traderator of yours is so ineffective - you're feeding it incorrect analysis criteria!

rF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 10:27 pm EST

mf: Dude, you gotta pay more attention to my posts. I said way back before the season started when the As were given out and Staal was the only one who got a home and an away A that he's got a very long leash.

rF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:50 pm EST

Well then give him a clipboard and a night off.

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:24 pm EST

mf: No. They said during the telecast of the last game that he was the only D to have played every game thus far this year.

Ranger47


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:19 pm EST

Has Staal had any days off this season?

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:14 pm EST

“I don’t love it, but it is on the table,” Quinn said of the seven-defensemen possibility. “I want to get Freddie back in, he didn’t deserve to come out. Like I’ve said before, we’ve had hard conversations lately. Guys have played well. We’ll have a clearer picture when we get to Ottawa.”.... is the air clearer in Ottawa?

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:02 pm EST

I know I have been tough on Namestikov, I don’t dislike him but he needs to go. Especially at $4m. I know he has skill and talent, probably looks great at practice but since he came to New York he has lacked confidence and plays tight. Some guys just can’t handle This city. So like Luc Robatielle, Jason Bay, Sonny Gray Ed Whitson and many others before him NY is not for him and he needs to go. The mis pass to ZBad the numerous point blank shots, a wide open pass fumble right in front of the goalie tells me this is not gonna change. Sure when he doesn’t have to think he has shown the skills that made him an NHLer but when he must think or sees a scoring opportunity he grips the stick too tight. Zucc and Names should depart soon. Names could be attractive trade bait cause the Rangers will be selling low.

Jake0104


Wed Nov 28 2018 8:28 pm EST

The way these contract talks are going in Toronto, you gotta bet that NYLANDERS side is going to insist on strict terms regarding trading him away....

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:37 pm EST

Or the entire thing was orchestrated from the outset to take advantage of the loophole that means a lesser cap hit in years 2 and beyond.

RF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:22 pm EST

Scott Wheeler ‏ Verified account @scottcwheeler ....(on Elliotte Friedman)..... The Leafs deciding they have to trade Nylander, if they decide that, will result in the Leafs getting less than he’s worth. Doesn’t strike me as a position this management group would put themselves in, and it would contradict everything Dubas has said about Nylander. We’ll see.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:05 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman says that he thinks this will be William Nylander's last season in TO. Whether he signs or not.... he will be gone by the Draft at the latest... WOW... Go get him NYR... https://twitter.com/leahflame/status/1067928938897240064

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 5:49 pm EST

SecretaryLegs: You're Fired!

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 5:31 pm EST

Rhet don’t confuse Irving moofman, he’s familiar with email but he use to call it hemail and shemail and some theymail. Electronics is confusing for him especially with bundling his traderator.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 5:17 pm EST

As usual, Brooks is about 3 hours late with his 'news.'

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 5:14 pm EST

MF... They have this new fandangled thing called 'Electronic Mail' that all the kids rave about ....WILD.... Gettinger is already eligible for the AHL playoffs. I'm guessing it had more to do with the NHL cap.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 5:00 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 7m7 minutes ago With neither Namestnikov (concussion protocol) nor Zuccarello (groin) on trip to Ott-Mont, Rangers are forward short. Could go with 7 D v Senators tomorrow and reassess after game. 0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes

stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 4:54 pm EST

For $300,000 somebody will blink or go halfway on nylander. If he doesn’t sign because of $300,000 he’s off his rocker and his agent should be fired .

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 4:44 pm EST

Howard Berger Howard Berger @Berger_BYTES · 1h Sorry, #Leafs folks. Had to re-set my account. Someone lonely and disturbed did a copy/hack job. Last Tweet from me was about Pat Quinn.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 4:14 pm EST

rhet definition of done ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 3:28 pm EST

Rhet: "Are facsimile copies deemed as original?"

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 3:25 pm EST

William Nylander is still in Sweden ????????. ...Deadline to sign NHL contract, Saturday, 5pm.... https://twitter.com/HockeynewsSe/status/1067831532755181568

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 3:04 pm EST

Buchnevich discusses Quinn, being scratched and more.... In an interview with a Russian publication, Pavel Buchnevich said (Sport-Express): ....He has about a week until he can get on the ice with a stick and that right now his hand still hurts when he makes a fist... David Quinn has “rightly demanded certain things from me” and that he can’t be the only forward that doesn’t come back on defense.... “There is no hostility towards me, he wants me to play correctly.” ....When he returns “it will take time” to get back to the level he was at when injured.... He went to lunch with David Quinn to discuss why he was scratched and was shown video of situations where he needed to be more physical.... The two communicate well and understand each other despite the potential of a language barrier. He is doing his best to play at a certain level each night without falling below that threshold.... He would enjoy playing with Artemi Panarin and that he thinks the Rangers would “quickly” find a spot for him in the locker room..... He will worry about his future at another time but his focus is on staying with the Rangers and in the NHL. Alex Georgiev has “huge” potential.... He isn’t sure about the World Championships this spring because he will be without a contract for next season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 3:01 pm EST

With Gettinger. To play in the AHL playoffs isn’t it be on the roster on a certain day or have “x” number of days on the roster? If so yesterday counted as a day on the roster since he was assigned. Also yeah it saves a few grand in cap. Perhaps the Rangers plan on taking back big UFA to be salary to get more in trade.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 28 2018 2:53 pm EST

Jim Matheson ‏ @NHLbyMatty .... Look we all what's going on here. Leafs digging in their heels, do not want to pay Nylander considerably more than Gaudreau and Pastrnak who are better. Plus, they need a top 4 D in a trade a whole lot more than over-paying their fourth best F

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 2:49 pm EST

ALLEGEDLY..... Howard Berger ‏ @Berger_BYTES .... I forgot how much fun it is to drive the basement-dwellers among you over the edge. BTW, #Leafs/Nylander is done. No joke there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 2:35 pm EST

Stevie... Apparently, when the NYR recalled Gettinger on Monday, they kept him with the team. The Wolf Pack transaction was on 'paper' only. IE. He never left.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 2:27 pm EST

they knew stinky had a concussion, and zucchini was questionable , yet they sent gettingher down....wtf ? they trying to save cap $? ...brain rust needs some wd40 , wd 1-39 failed.....get some fish-oil fishpie.....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 2:04 pm EST

Rhet: I was a proponent. Watch LA move him and outsuck the rest of the league to HUGHES..... Or is that EWES?

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:58 pm EST

FYI, Giroux and Simmonds are both available. May be too old for a rebuilding team. Though I might take a flyer on Tarasenko ....mf... In regard to Kovalchuk: What exactly are we eating crow for? He didn't sign with the NYR and no one wanted him on a 3-year deal anyway. Also, he's only played 24 games. We have no idea how(or where) his season will end.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:45 pm EST

There is speculation that MESKANEN may get called up. He, Gettinger and Fogarty were a pretty good line for the pack.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:21 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... #NYR Updates: Namestnikov is in concussion protocol, neither he nor Zuccarello will travel on the upcoming trip.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:20 pm EST

Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 .... Quinn says 7 defensemen “on the table” for discussion for the Ottawa game, said wants to get Claesson back in. Strome could see PP work. #nyr #rangers #nhl

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:17 pm EST

Gorton should can Off the Boardie Gordie and hire this Pryor dude the Flyers just whacked.

Bob


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:11 pm EST

Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 ..... OK, David Quinn just met with us: Namestnikov in concussion protocol. Zucc (groin) not an option for the next two on road. Will talk about possible AHL call up on flight today. #nyr #rangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 1:05 pm EST

The NYR have recalled Gettinger again(per Wolf Pack). I hope the kid has mileage points... per Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 .... Only 11 forwards in practice for #nyr. Saw some Mika with Kreider and Strome and some Hayes with Vesey and Chytil. We’ll see later what Quinn says re the injuries. #rangers

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:42 pm EST

You look at the Leafs line-up and wonder where the NYR's fire-power is, or going to come from..... Gotta play some pretty stingy defense to beat that team in a seven game series just to stay in the contest... Then hope that Andersson can get his ass on the puck for a deflection......https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:31 pm EST

Eat some crow time IF you were a big proponent of signing IK..... (I'll take 2 servings) This is No Alexander Radulov... IK on pace for a -44 and 48 points.... I guess $6.25mill per doesn't buy any defense out of the guy.... https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ilya-kovalchuk-is-being-wasted-on-the-los-angeles-kings-fourth-line

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:28 pm EST

VIC... TO needs to sign Matthews and Marner to long term deals after the season plus a whole host of other players. $300K can mean a lot to the Leafs.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:15 pm EST

QuasimodoLegs: much better link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaH1Qkk2MJM&index=13&t=0s&list=OLAK5uy_lPmqU2QjXg8Ivl2iwioT__POUo2yuC3N0

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:10 pm EST

Vic: It won't. He'll sign.

rF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:06 pm EST

QuasimodoLegs: Ck out song 12 ...... https://www.deezer.com/us/album/75961032

mf


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:04 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC .... Calvin Pickard (PHI) on waivers

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 11:25 am EST

I find it hard to believe that the two sides are only $300,000 apart. If that is the case a deal will definitely be done. It would be insanity for both sides to let a $300,000 difference cost NYLANDER and Toronto a season of his play. Especially for NYLANDER. He has the opportunity to sign a deal that will pay him over $41 Million over the next 6 years. And he is going to walk away from that and lose almost $7 Million this year because he doesn't want to give up $1.8 Million over 6 years. That makes no sense. Not to mention the fact that after that 6 year deal is up he could sign a UFA deal for probably another $40+ Million.

Vic


Wed Nov 28 2018 9:02 am EST

Staal's play this year being recognized: https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-staal-veteran-rebuild/

rF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:45 am EST

Well if you think you've given in enough and you're still not in agreement at this point you may as well wait until the last possible moment before flinching. A fiscal game of chicken...

rF4l


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:44 am EST

mf - the first thing or the second thing...https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=Q2uuxc2WtXw

RF73


Wed Nov 28 2018 7:08 am EST

SPORTSNET: Elliotte Friedman believes the Toronto Maple Leafs and restricted free agent winger William Nylander are “around $300,000/year apart.” However, both sides feel they’ve moved far enough from their original positions and could reach the point where they’re unwilling to move further.... It’s believed the Nylander camp might accept a six-year contract worth around $6.9 million per season but Friedman said that hasn’t been tabled yet by the Leafs. Their unwillingness to take on salary makes a Nylander trade unlikely, as are possible three-way trade scenarios. Their preferred option remains to re-sign him.... TSN: Bob McKenzie dismissed recent rumors of Nylander having returned in Toronto or that a deal has already been agreed to but not officially announced. There’s a strong feeling on both sides that they could get their best offer from the other near the 5 pm ET deadline on December 1.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 28 2018 4:48 am EST

Irving moofman the first thing or the second thing or the other thing? Ding a ling you hear bells ring ... Quasimodo...

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 28 2018 12:08 am EST

https://twitter.com/SNCaroline/status/1067619600701902849

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 11:23 pm EST

_Arc: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/prospect-need-to-know-veleno-making-a-statement-in-drummondville

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 10:06 pm EST

Kristen Shilton ‏ Verified account @kristen_shilton .... #Leafs trade defenceman Andrew Nielsen to the Calgary Flames for forward Morgan Klimchuk.... Klimchuk was the 28th overall pick by Calgary in 2013. Nielsen was selected in the third round, 65th overall, in 2015 by Toronto.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 9:37 pm EST

Forgot to mention that the NYR sent TIM GETTINGER back down to the Wolf Pack today. The weird thing is that the Pack doesn't play another game until Saturday. The NYR play on Thursday and could've kept the kid there to practice with the team and be around in case Zucc's groin is still barking. That would only seem to make sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 6:01 pm EST

PJ: I do know that I like Claesson with Shatty over Smith. Claesson understands how to be the defensive conscience for Shattenkirk. When Shatty moves up Claesson smoothly took that high E-W position giving Shatty some room to be creative. Smith tends to jump up as well and not cover his sector well. Just my observation. Smith slows down Shatty.

E


Tue Nov 27 2018 5:51 pm EST

KinkyBoots:WTH are you posting?

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 5:16 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello How Henrik Lundqvist overcame a case of the Mondays in weird night at the office #NYR......... John Giannone ‏Verified account @jaygeemsg Replying to @RickCarpiniello Good stuff, my friend. Henrik also required repeated attention from Cas for a skate boot that appeared to be too tight for his liking. At one point, assistant coach Lindy Ruff grabbed a towel and wiped Cas’ forehead. The two then cracked up!! Hahaha. 11:59 AM - 27 Nov 2018

stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 5:14 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted CapFriendly ‏ @CapFriendly 5h5 hours ago Having cleared waivers & officially loaned to Laval, #Habs Karl Alzner now becomes the highest salaried player on an NHL contract currently buried in the minors at $6,000,000 for this season. https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2019/salary&salary-structure=one-way&status=non-roster&display=expiry-year,length&hide=goalie-stats …

stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 5:13 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago “The impact my coaches had on me was powerful. I thought it would be cool to have that same impact on other people. To go from not being a player, it softened the blow a little bit.” #NYR Coach Quinn on hockey, hemophilia & how a diagnosis changed his life (@NHF_hemophilia).

stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:23 pm EST

As for the NYLANDER situation....the issue isn't NYLANDER's asking price. The issue is Toronto's asking price in a trade. Toronto really wants him as part of the picture for the playoffs this year. So they are playing hard ball to get him to sign. But if they can't sign him the only way they are trading him is if the return just blows them away. But don't believe for a second that Toronto holds all the cards. Because I would have to believe that if it went as far as NYLANDER sitting out this entire year he is done as a Leaf. I don't know that I would be doing what he is doing in the first place (I wouldn't actually) but if I did and I had to sit out an entire season I would never play for that team again. I would say "I'm done here". Trade my rights or not. I'll go play in Europe somewhere (if not the KHL) until I am a UFA.

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:20 pm EST

NewtonLegs: now you're preaching gravity!?!

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:15 pm EST

PJ: STINKY has grown on me over the last month for sure. But I can't for the life of me understand how he put up the point totals he did with Tampa, even playing with STAMKOS. He doesn't seem to have much finish to his game and I haven't seen him as a really creative guy either. I couldn't believe it last night when all he had to do was give ZBAD a simple little 8 foot pass to spring him on a breakaway. And instead of either giving him a soft lead so ZBAD could skate into it, or just passing it to him, he rifled a pass that was way out of ZBAD's reach. Even McLEOD could have made that pass.

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:10 pm EST

Honestly believe Shattenkirk plays better with Claesson than anyone else....Skjei had his moments both ways last night...Sure hope he gets out of it....Still seems afraid to make a mistake...I never thought Staal would score again...Was a nice shot too....Names can't finish at all...

PJ


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:09 pm EST

“Johnston added that if a trade doesn’t present itself and if Nylander’s demands don’t drop, the Maple Leafs will let him sit. Kypreos said that there are multiple teams willing to pay Nylander $7 million and maybe a bit more. Nylander knows there are teams willing to come closer to his asking price than Toronto is.”

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 4:04 pm EST

Have to think nylander will fold unless they are willing to give him a bridge. Not sure what he’s thinking, but they hold most of the cards . The apple falls close to the daddy tree. But it would be nice if he demanded a sign and trade to the nyr ...lol...

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 3:49 pm EST

Boomer Esiason ‏can take Matt MARTIN’s stick up his cornhole. NAMESTNIKOV was one of the most complete Rangers out there last night. Was having a great game until he got his bell rung...and in truth, by virtue of taking said hit, he set the Rangers up to get the empty netter. I f’in loathe that tool. Thinks he knows hockey because his son-in-law is a knuckle-dragging f@cktard. Hey Boomer. How about this? Your son-in-law is probably a close second to one of the worst NHLers under contract. You can go rot with him in the Isle organization.

tdchi


Tue Nov 27 2018 3:24 pm EST

MF.... Could you imagine the chaos? I'm sure more than a few players would be willing to sit out a year so they could become an UFA after their initial ELC.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 3:02 pm EST

Rhet, thank you for the correction. That was cut and pasted from an article. Figured they were accurate, I guess not.

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 2:45 pm EST

or they will START from scratch.... I expect NYLANDER to be either traded or signed (or both) by Friday(11/30). My gut says he will still be in TO at days end. Although, it is sometimes nice to be wrong.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 2:37 pm EST

MF... "If the two sides are unable to work out a deal by Dec. 1, Nylander becomes ineligible for the remainder of the 2018-19 season and becomes an unrestricted free agent (UFA) on Jul. 1, 2019." .... That's incorrect. Next season he will still be considered a RFA and they will still from scratch. At 22, there are no shortcuts to becoming a UFA. You have to put in the time to get there.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 1:53 pm EST

Something tells me that the Leafs and the good 'ole boys club are gonna show solidarity here. And they're not gonna allow a player to back them in. They'll sit Nylander. Give him no trade options and hold the line. And Nylander will have to come back this summer. And they can have a contentious 2019 where he will likely be traded then... I wouldn't be surprised if Nylander is in uniform next week enjoying the rotten fruits of his attempted power move.

E


Tue Nov 27 2018 1:33 pm EST

Panarin, agent to meet in January about future with Blue Jackets: report... https://www.nhl.com/news/artemi-panarin-and-agent-to-meet-in-january-about-future-with-columbus-blue-jackets/c-302345408

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 12:51 pm EST

With less than a week remaining before the deadline for him to sign an NHL contract, Toronto Maple Leafs restricted free agent is skating with the junior team of Swedish club AIK....... https://www.tsn.ca/nylander-skating-with-swedish-junior-team-1.1216791

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 12:33 pm EST

"On the Soap Opera front" If the two sides are unable to work out a deal by Dec. 1, Nylander becomes ineligible for the remainder of the 2018-19 season and becomes an unrestricted free agent (UFA) on Jul. 1, 2019.

mf


Tue Nov 27 2018 12:00 pm EST

This ZUCC situation is why last year I was calling for his trade at the deadline and all during the off-season. His value was at its highest....now he has an injury issue that teams know will nag at him longer than anyone will like and probably reoccurring the reat if his career. There was no way he warms going to be a cog in the rebuilding and it was a mistake not to move him. But hindsight is 20/20.

Wildcard


Tue Nov 27 2018 11:52 am EST

SCHNEIDW: I'll take a shot at it. In the original deal Ottawa traded BRASSARD, a 2018 Third Round Pick (Pens later traded that to Colorado who selected a goalie JUSTUS ANNUNEN) and VINCENT DUNN (22 year old former 5th rounder in 2013 - minor AHL/ECHL guy - C/LW) and received in return IAN COLE, FILIP GUSTAVSSON (20 year old former 2nd rounder in 2016 - G), a 2018 first-round draft pick and a 2019 third-round. Ottawa flipped IAN COLE immediately for NICK MOUTREY (23 year old former 4th rounder in 2013 - minor AHL/ECHL guy - RW) and a 2020 third-round pick. Ottawa Traded that 2018 first round pick from the Pens to the Rangers at the draft. They received the Rangers 26th pick (which they used to select JACOB BERNARD-DOCKER) and the Rangers 2018 second round pick (48th Overall) to select JONATHAN TYCHONICK). The Rangers used that Pens first round pick to select at 22nd overall K'ANDRE MILLER......... So, as it currently stands Ottawa traded BRASSARD, ANNUNEN, DUNN, and MILLER for MOUTREY, GUSTAVSSON, BERNARD-DOCKER, TYCHONICK, a 2019 third-round pick and a 2020 third-round pick.

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 9:40 am EST

OTTAWA: in the end, anybody know how the ZBAD for Brassard trade worked out for Ottawa? They got some pieces from Pitt and LV in a 3 way but I havent seen any follow up writeups......

schneidw


Tue Nov 27 2018 9:36 am EST

I like some of the things I see from GETTINGER. This is a good chance for him to see the pace of the NHL during the regular season. He is a project for sure. But if he can get quicker and faster the Rangers might have an interesting player in a few years. He isn't ready now for sure. But maybe with a few more years of development and work on his skating he can be a part of the future. Nice ASS-goal by ANDERSSON last night. Not really a skill play there but at least he had is ASS in the right place at the right time. If he goes to the net consistently like that he may score a bunch of ASS-goals in his career. And then there is STROME. I can see why the Islanders and Oilers got frustrated with the guy and moved on from him. If you are counting on him to be a top 6 productive player he would drive you insane. At times he looks like he has the hands to be a top 6 guy and then at times he just fumbles and wiffs on the puck like McLEOD. Fortunately for the Rangers they aren't counting on STROME to be a top 6 player. If he can get some consistency, be a defensively responsible player, add some physicality and be productive at a third line level I think the Rangers would be thrilled. It is certainly a ton more then they were ever going to get out of SPOONER.

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 9:27 am EST

Other thoughts....The HAYES line is clearly the Rangers best line. They are playing consistently well in all three zones. Sometimes they overpass the puck (and probably always will) but the three of them compliment each other well. It was nice to see HAYES get pissed last night and give DUCHENE some shots in the back and later skate right back over to him after the whistle. If you have been watching closely HAYES has been MUCH more physical this year. He is actually using that big body to throw so pretty hard hits from time to time. He is never going to be a physical force but he is finally using his body much more. I just wish DQ was here as the coach when HAYES came into the league. Would his development gone much differently had that been the case? Hard to say....

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 9:23 am EST

So a few thoughts. It was nice to see glimpses of the old SKJEI last night. Right from the opening face off he played aggressive and was decisive with the puck. The last 18 months he has been so tentative and has been making bad reads and horrendous decisions with the puck. I know better then to suggest that he has all of the sudden returned to the way he was in his rookie season but last night was definitely a step back in that direction. Hopefully he builds on that shift after shift and game after game. Because when he skates like that and plays like that you can see his potential to be a top pairing guy. SHATTENKIRK has been quietly playing well over the last few weeks. It looks like he may have found his game after missing most of last season. However, we still need to see much more offensive productivity out of him. I'm going to give ZBAD some much deserved credit as well. He is never going to be a CROSBY/McDAVID kind of #1 Center. But he has been playing solid two-way hockey and has been using his size and strength much more consistently. I still think he was the guy that had the time and opportunity to get to OVECHKIN in front of the goal the other day and basically just watched the play. PIONK was in the corner when the puck was turned over. He turned to go back to the goal and then realized that OVECHKIN was standing all alone in front. By the time PIONK reacted it was too late to get there and even if he did I doubt he could have overpowered OVECHKIN. But if you look at that play again you will see ZBAD standing much closer to the goal. He had a chance to get there and has the size to do something once he did. Outside of little things like that I think ZBAD has been really good.

Vic


Tue Nov 27 2018 8:14 am EST

For the Staal haters (and there's lots of them, especially in places like blueline/shirt bullshit): ''He is a calming influence on our team, in the locker room and on the ice,'' Quinn said of Staal. ''He works hard and wants to get better. He has defended well, I think he has eaten a lot of minutes and has played against the other team's top players.''

rF4l


Tue Nov 27 2018 6:52 am EST

“Even when flush, the Rangers aren’t exactly blessed with depth on the wings either here or through the organization. The groin issues that have sidelined Mats Zuccarello for eight of the past 10 games and the broken thumb that has sidelined Pavel Buchnevich since Nov. 10 have taken their toll. But the Blueshirts soldier on. The Kreider-Kevin Hayes-Filip Chytil unit has emerged as the go-to offensive line.In the meantime, defensemen have accounted for a collective 10 goals in the last 12 games, and seven at even-strength. All seven D have scored at least one, with Marc Staal getting on the board in the first period of this one.”

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 6:12 am EST

“ Maybe the best thing the Rangers have going for them is their self-awareness. These Blueshirts are not fooling themselves or anyone else by thinking they have more talent than most of their opponents. They’re not fooling themselves thinking they can win by scoring four or five highlight-reel goals per game. Instead, they are intently focused on how hard they work on a nightly basis, knowing that is the biggest component to having a chance for success. That hard work for most of the game is what brought them a 4-2 victory over the Senators on Monday night at the Garden, shaking off a rough Thanksgiving weekend that featured a two-game losing streak. “We talked about it the room — we just have to realize what we are and what we need to do to have success,” Henrik Lundqvist said after a sterling 29-save performance. “There’s no in-between here. There’s no relying on this and that. It starts with hard work and paying attention to the little details in the game. “When we do that, we can beat anybody. But if we don’t, we can lose against anybody.”

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 27 2018 2:45 am EST

MF... In regard to trades: If you're not feeling some pain, then it's not a viable deal.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 27 2018 12:26 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/11/26/rangers-outlast-senators-to-shake-off-rough-weekend/

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:28 pm EST

Sounds like NAMESTNIKOV was counting his Prongers in E's Cheerios

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:19 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl .... Here is the update from Rangers coach David Quinn on Vladislav Namestnikov, who was clearly shaken up by a hit from Sens D Thomas Chabot in the third period: "When I left the locker room he was talking, so that's progress."

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:15 pm EST

Anyone see anything about Name?

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:25 pm EST

evets: IYO does SHATT & NAMES (we can eat $2mill of Names contract) get it done for NYLANDER & a 2nd or 3rd round pick? t/y

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:23 pm EST

evets: down to 31 or down to the #1 pick? :-)

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:19 pm EST

mf... Shattenkirk doesn't come even close to getting a deal done for Nylander. I just don't see the Rangers as a match. If there is a deal for Nylander to be made, it's going to be with Carolina. Frankly, I'm thinking Nylander resigns this week. Right now this rebuild is on the right track. The new young core is producing: Chytil, Howden, Pionk, DeAngelo, Andersson. Skjei had a better game tonight and is hopefully trending up. Strome has been a nice addition and is making his presence known on the ice. Vesey has stepped up his game. Young vets like Zibanejad, Kreider, and Hayes are leading by example. Things are looking bright. I think Zuccarello and Namestnikov are goners at the deadline. I'm thinking Hayes gets a contract. Zib and Kreider are going nowhere. They'll add another first rounder at the deadline in the Zucc trade, but with the way they're playing they'll have the two picks from the middle of the first down.

evets1980


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:17 pm EST

Irving moofman get with the program, I think they pet each other

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:13 pm EST

Legs: Are you saying that they were petting Stinky? Keep your nose clean, Legs.

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:06 pm EST

If you believe nose and knows less in between holding hands and starring into each other’s eyes, they said stinky had just came on the ice .

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:57 pm EST

Rangers WIN Rangers WIN

rangerlou


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:56 pm EST

So, how was MARK STONE'S audition? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8406

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:54 pm EST

Go Hank Go: http://www.espn.com/nhl/history/leaders/_/stat/goaliewins

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:53 pm EST

Name probably has a concussion. Not sure why he got caught flat footed there.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:52 pm EST

Good for Andersson. Hopefully the first of many. Kreider is tearing it up. He better not just end the season with only 28 goals :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:47 pm EST

Holy shit, we got an empty net goal!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:46 pm EST

Nevermind

Jake0104


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:46 pm EST

Their PP was better than ours there. Guys are not afraid to shoot the puck.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:46 pm EST

Bring back Grabner

Jake0104


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:44 pm EST

The mighty Quinney is going to have get stricter with these guys , they don’t listen.

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:37 pm EST

Kneeing? GTFO

RDW


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:36 pm EST

How does Tkachuk not get 2:00 minutes?

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:36 pm EST

Maybe I'm seeing it wrong but that's a tough call on Namestnikov. He hit BT right after the whistle. No way he could have stopped IMO

RDW


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:35 pm EST

Man Tkachuk has a temper. Every time he get's hit he wants to go after the guy who hit him. Maybe the NYR are just getting under his skin.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:32 pm EST

That pp is just a passing exercise

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:31 pm EST

We Still pass too much but that has been going on for 50 years

Jake0104


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:29 pm EST

Namestivko is Sonny Gray

Jake0104


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:26 pm EST

CHRIS KREIDER SCORESSS!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:17 pm EST

OK: PANARIN: I don't see him getting $11 mill anywhere, and it's written that CBJ is still interested in resigning him.....Guestimatw: $9mill - $10mill range...... Her'es how we can afford 3 UFA's: ZUCC & SMITHH gone = $8.85 Mill..... Does Edmonton want LHS D SKJEI? Free's up another $5.25 mill..... NAMESTNIKOV or HAYES gone, free's up at least $4mill.... Toronto want SHATTENKIRK in a deal for NYLANDER? Free's up $6.65 mill.... Can we trade HANK to the Sunshine Rangers aka the TBL? There's all the dollars you need..... then "BIG IF we land NYLANDER & PANARIN there's plenty of money for another UFA......., Now that qualifies as ripping it down to thestuds.... :-)

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:07 pm EST

andrei: SORRY, we're maxed out in the announcer position and they both have NMC/NTC clauses..... Mute Em

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:05 pm EST

RHET: well now, all 3 are RHS.... They're all small in stature, and that makes our Defensive prospect ratio like 4 RHS D and 16 LHS D..... Bouchard is listed as 6'2"-6'3" depending on the site & Calle Foote as 6'3"-6'4" & both are 1st round picks at #10 & #14 respectively.... So, which guys are more likely to have NHL careers?

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:05 pm EST

Can MSG spend money and get competent announcers? One forgets that Rangers hit two posts, especially since 10 minutes prior he almost called a fantom call. Another one just called a winner of the Safeway context who won $50k for the next 20 years, a very, very rich person.. Monotone with his useless comments during the game and who has a such short memory span that he needs to read of his notes to deliver a once line coach’s quote...

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:55 pm EST

Boomer Esiason ‏ Verified account @7BOOMERESIASON .... Namestnikov $4 mil per. For what exactly? #NYR #Trade

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:54 pm EST

Mf, again. I don’t get the argument. Stone is not yet an UFA. All I have heard so far that is going to resign with Sens. Panerin will get $11 mil per. You can’t spend $19/20 mil on two forwards. Not on a rebuilding team. Nothing to do on whether team is wealthy or not. Nothing to do with “cost” of business. It’s all went away, the second salary cap was put in place. Until kids are grown and you have an idea what your needs, why would you want to be stuck with a 7 year contract? I can understand it when you are going for a cup, and there is a clear need for a 1st line forward....

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:50 pm EST

MF... We are not lacking in RD prospects. We currently have Pionk and Deangelo in the NHL and Lundkvist, Keane and Tyler Nanne in the system. We also might be able to sign Adam Fox in the offseason(he may go college FA route)... We also have quite a few center prospects. What we don't have enough of is elite level blue chippers. Hard to get. The elite level #1 center is the toughest to come by and are rarely available.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:48 pm EST

SHATTENKIRK has 1 goal so far this year.... Hello TORONTO, want a RHS Defenseman? We interested in NYLANDER.... What gets the deal done?

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:37 pm EST

Score... He hit the post... Man, when are going to get a new crew?

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:36 pm EST

andrei: there are scenario's where we could greatly benefit from eating salary, I'm not saying that we engage in Girardi / Staal type contracts which handcuff us... I am saying it's the cost of doing business in "The Big City."

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:28 pm EST

Mf, interesting logic. So just because team has deep pockets it needs to spend all of cap room while rebuilding? Don’t get the argument. It’s not the baseball and this is not Yanks.

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:21 pm EST

andrei: when you have a Professional Sports Franchise with as deep a set of pockets as the NY Rangers do, you use everything to your advantage, including Money.... To not do so, is a dereliction of duty.......

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:19 pm EST

The refs missed a 4 minute minor on VC

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:18 pm EST

Rhet: That's why at this juncture I want as many picks and strategic prospects as possible... I want to focus on trades that yield us RHS D & Center Prospects, as well as potentially high draft picks.... Our deficiencies should always be the Wing Position and the LHD position for these are the easiest to plug........ I'm keeping an eye on HITCHCOCK over in Edmonton, it looks like he's more than the Head Coach, he clearly has the GM's and upper Brass' ear and he is making moves... Wideman, wanting PulJujarvi with the big club, moving LUCIC to the third (checking) line..... You know what I want, BOUCHARD....... If Toronto signs NYLANDER "and he plays well" not only will RF4L land in the Chatteau Bow-wow, but the TBL might want to up their goaltending.... Wink wink, I want CALLE FOOTE ......tbc....

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:08 pm EST

Mf, there is not. Not on a rebuild team. I want no part of another contract that we all going to be regreting few years down the road...

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:07 pm EST

Hey ,how about that first time Hank loses his mask and the puck is shot right at him. Just imagine, Eddie Giacomin (among others ofcourse) didn't wear a mask at all in the late 60's -early 70's against guys like Bobby Hull, Esposito, Bobby Orr ,Stan Mikita. I warmed up once without my mask when I was in Junior and it was crazy scary.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:04 pm EST

MF...It's generally the way our luck runs. Maybe we get lucky, but I guess it's easier if we don't think that way. That way we'll be pleasantly surprised if something breaks our way.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:03 pm EST

Andrei, there's plenty of room to sign 2-3 UFA's... I'll make it easy for you.... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:02 pm EST

With his goal tonight, Staal will be good until next season.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:01 pm EST

Rhet, I hear you..... No Nyls, No Stone, in all likelihood No Panarin, brings us back to Plan A, Trade a bunch of guys, rip it down to the Studs, and Bundle Bundle Bundle for a Top 1st round pick... Next Season, Rinse & Repeat

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:01 pm EST

My, Rangers are going to be all in on Panerin. There is no room for Stone or any other high paid forwards. Stone will get 7*8 from Sens. They have no choice.

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:00 pm EST

Z-Bad has all the big guns on his line, like Staal, Fast and Namestnikov. He might be better off passing the puck back to Hank to take a shot.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:58 pm EST

Wild: Hayes is not playing nice with your boy Duushie

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:57 pm EST

Hayes is off tonight.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:57 pm EST

Hit to hanks head not interference? Accidental stick is ... there are pages missing in the rules

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:56 pm EST

It getting harder and harder to listen to these two. Dushein(so) looks good. He is going to get paid!!

andrei


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:53 pm EST

mf...The last thing I read is that they're working on re-signing him in the new year. I doubt he get's to UFA.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:53 pm EST

This team needs to shoot a lot more than pass pass pass

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:52 pm EST

Tkachuk pulled down Smith after his cross check. Nice Cross Check by the way.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:49 pm EST

mf....In a heartbeat Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:47 pm EST

Micheletti, mask this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxQLsSlPo5M

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:47 pm EST

And now Dickalletti says the opposite. Stfu please

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:45 pm EST

RangerLou: But would you sign him after this season as an UFA ?

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:44 pm EST

I don't know how Hank is able to make the save in between a guys legs.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:43 pm EST

So it’s not interfering because he wouldn’t have made the save anyhow? Wtf Dickalletti is a moron

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:43 pm EST

Stone is a huge D!CK

rangerlou


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:41 pm EST

Hmmm, borderline call.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:36 pm EST

Holy mackeral, STAAL Scores

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:35 pm EST

YEAH BUDDY... MARC STAAL from Z-BAD!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:27 pm EST

I thought Lundy was a gonner

rangerlou


Mon Nov 26 2018 6:37 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... #NYR as expected in warmups: Namestnikov-Zibanejad-Fast... Kreider-Hayes-Chytil... Vesey-Howden-Strome... Gettinger-Andersson-Fogarty... Skjei-DeAngelo... Staal-Pionk... Smith-Shattenkirk... Lundqvist.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 6:22 pm EST

MF... BOB MCKENZIE... McKenzie: Leafs, Nylander most likely to come to terms TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie joins Lee Versage on The TSN 1200 Pregame Show to talk Sens-Rangers & all things NHL... https://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/mckenzie-leafs-nylander-most-likely-to-come-to-terms-1.1216466

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 5:22 pm EST

:->)

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 4:40 pm EST

Happy Anniversary! 13 years ago today. 15th round of the shootout. Marek Malík.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1067100234793259008

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 4:17 pm EST

Rhet: What's the story? We've been tuned in since Sun Nov 25 2018 11:51 pm.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmZ7EyYWAZg

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 4:16 pm EST

Dna = do not answer

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 4:14 pm EST

ForensicLegs: "How ya doin" with your Hockey DNA?

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 3:58 pm EST

Irving moofman it’s easier if you bundle your sorries.

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 3:28 pm EST

Well that's a sorry state of affairs, isn't it?

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 3:21 pm EST

One of the dumbest lines of all time. I hate that movie.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 3:15 pm EST

Is this a love story? ...."Love means never having to say you're sorry"....

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 2:42 pm EST

Sorry seems to be the hardest word..........

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 2:14 pm EST

MF - Yes..sorry...

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 1:43 pm EST

Hospo, can't a Wallster be polite!?

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 1:18 pm EST

MF - Why sorry? Just a meaningless opinion like mine..what matters is what Gordo and his "brain trust" think..and alot can happen in a few months...Rangers, at the least, will be an interesting team to watch over the next few months..

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 1:15 pm EST

Talking 1st round picks earlier: I'm absolutely stoked we got STROME for Spooner... Ultimately he may settle in to be a bottom six forward, but I see this as a real good young depth acquisition who can be a Ranger for a long time.... I did Not see the NYR/Caps game, someone mentioned STROME dropped the gloves, glad to hear that....

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 1:03 pm EST

Sorry, not trading Zbad @ 25.5 y/o, still on the upside of his potential and signed to a very good contract from the teams pov.... $5.35 mill for 3 seasons after this one.... Outside of Kid K, Zbad has had a revolving door on the RW of his line..... A healthy BUCHNEVICH would help, but thinking to next season when HOWDEN, ANDERSSON, & CHYTLE all have a years worth of NHL experience, I'm thinking that ZBAD may be best served with a C/RW on his line... This way if Zbad is caught out of position in the Offensive end when transitioning back onto defense, the C/RW can shift to cover ZBad's defensive assignment and Zbad can play "D" on the Wing....

mf


Mon Nov 26 2018 12:49 pm EST

RHET - Yeah, I could have omitted those first 4 words, but at least I announce my biases! And here I was kinda standing up for the guy a little...cant win..:)

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 12:39 pm EST

Hospo not a Z-Bad fan ....MIND.... BLOWN.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 12:05 pm EST

This would be just odd.... per Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger ... Chuck Fletcher and Ron Francis among the early names as potential GM’s in Philly. Both experienced men. Francis is in the process of divesting equity in Carolina.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:59 am EST

Not a ZBAD fan..but these injuries to ZUCC and BUCH really rob him of playing with somebody who also has offensive talents..and both ZUCC and BUCH (when on) with their passing abilities from the wing are tailor made for ZBADs shoot first perimiter game

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:50 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph Colin Stephenson Retweeted julia Tough game last game. Tony D had to get back in and someone had to come out. Freddie was minus-3 v. WSH.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:49 am EST

rett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 15m15 minutes ago Quinn said Freddy Claesson is sitting tonight and DeAngelo is in. Lundqvist in nets. Zuccarello’s groin injury still nagging, but team still doesn’t think it’s serious. #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:47 am EST

Gotta get MZA healthy so they can trade him!!!

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:33 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Claesson is out tonight. Zuccarello had a setback. It didn’t respond as they would have hoped after Friday. That’s why Gettinger went down to Hartford and came right back.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:28 am EST

RDW - I would because I think HAYES is the better all around player and because ZBAD with his contract and terms would fetch more in trade...BUT...I wouldn't do anything until the deadline..wait to see how the next few months go for both players and the TEAM under DQ...also, if the Rangers feel they want to re-sign HAYES but he or his agent wants nothing to do with an extension then, business is buisiness, and you deal him..

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:23 am EST

Dude has a 4.625M cap hit until 2022....per Eric Engels ‏ Verified account @EricEngels Confirmed. (Karl) Alzner to waivers.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:23 am EST

count 5 can't scratch 2 of 7 d.....is mcquaid alive ?

stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 11:10 am EST

Just a guess, but Claesson probably sits tonight... per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ... Just judging by jersey colors, I would guess Tony D is back in tonight. He is in white, along with Skjei, Staal and Pionk. Shattenkirk, Smith and Claesson are in blue.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:56 am EST

Interesting way to frame it... The @NHLFlyers just fired team legend Ron Hextall as GM saying “it has become clear that we no longer share the same philosophical approach concerning the direction of the team” -Flyers President Paul Holmgren

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:53 am EST

Philadelphia Flyers ‏Verified account @NHLFlyers OFFICIAL: The Flyers organization has decided to relieve Ron Hextall of his duties as Executive Vice President and General Manager. https://atnhl.com/2DW7Rel

stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:50 am EST

Dave Isaac ‏ Verified account @davegisaac .... BREAKING: #Flyers have relieved Ron Hextall of his duties

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:49 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... Mats Zuccarello isn’t participating in the Rangers morning skate at MSG. If he misses the game tonight it would be the eighth game he has missed in the past 10.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:49 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 12m12 minutes ago Greetings from the Rangers morning skate at Madison Square Garden. I do not see Mats Zuccarello among those skating this morning. 0 replies 0 retweets 1 like

stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:42 am EST

Hospo: So I'm guessing you would rather them move Zbad instead of Hayes? If so, do you feel we need to move one of them by the deadline?

RDW


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:29 am EST

LIke Littieri, maybe RONNING has found his level?

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:28 am EST

Hmmm..BROOKS (and others) fianlly catchinhg on about HAYES and the things i've been saying since the end of last year after HAYES completly (OK, not completly, he still overpasses at times and over handles a tad)..There are other players to trade before trading your best center (even if not a real #1) and not getting great value because of his pending UFA..Only trade him at last resort IMWO

Hospo


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:22 am EST

TD... I mentioned it on Saturday. What you missed was that he also scored the only goal in the shootout to win the game. I also don't feel the kid got a fair shot in Hartford, but that's just me.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:20 am EST

Your #NYR Prospect Three Stars of the Week: ...1. Kravtsov: Was selected to participate in the 2019 KHL ASG, as he was one of 12 players selected by journalists.... 2. Lettieri: 3GP - 3G 2A... 3. Gross: 2GP - 1G 2A... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-prospect-report-112618/c-302305022

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:13 am EST

Five points. One period. A hattrick and two helpers. I know it's the ECHL, but that is taking over the game singlehandedly.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 10:12 am EST

Well it looks like someone doesn't want to be in the ECHL for too long: @ECHL 1m Ty Ronning of @MarinersOfMaine scored 5 points (3g-2a) in the third period of a 6-4 win over Manchester on Saturday. More notes in #ECHL North Division Weekly

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:41 am EST

Also, I concur one of Gorton's goal should be an additional first rounder. Now imagine if he manages that and the Bolts win the cup? 3 firsts for 2 years running, which would also add up to 8 firsts in 3 years. Even if only half pan out, that's 4 NHLers (plus whoever emerges from the kids selected in those 3 years after the 1st).

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:35 am EST

TD: Re Gropp - well you watch Pack games and I don't so definitely you've got more first hand exposure to his game than I. I am going by 2 things: What I read about him (which isn't much any more - far less than what I could find when he was in junior) and his stats. He's allegedly a top 6 forward but statistically, other than perhaps his final year of junior, hasn't really put up the numbers to support that claim. I suspect some of those junior numbers were because he often played alongside Matt Barzal. The 2015 draft is shaping up to be a complete misfire by the Rangers unless Huska eventually emerges, although I'm not hearing much about him anymore either.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:27 am EST

RF4L - Two things: Speed and size. I think with GROPP, it's consistency that is dogging him...not knowing when and where to deploy his skill...TBH, he'd benefit greatly from watching KRIEDER...He's capable of that kind of speed up the wing. Gropp was always a project. We shall see. I think he has the rest of this season and next to find his game.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:24 am EST

RF4L - Yeah, without a doubt, you're hamstringing your organization to be dealing away consecutive first rounders...I get why he did it...the thought, I'm sure, was that they were gonna finish with 26-30 anyway, and with that positioning, your chances of getting a franchise or even decent player isn't super good...but needless to say, they're a lot better than picking in the late second or early third...I think you can make a case for moving your first rounder for a couple years running if you can stockpile two or three second rounders in those years...but Sather didn't really manage to do that either...the closest he came was the year he had three third rounders and grabbed BUCH, DUCLAIR and TAMBELLINI...but I tell you what...you look at how fast teams that amass first rounders turn around...and it's clear evidence that you have to select from the first to remain competitive...In truth, I think what Gorton did last winter and what the Bruins did a few years back really IS the way you build a strong contender...To think how quickly the Rangers turned the corner with three first rounders(ANDERSSON, CHYTIL and HOWDEN)...and that in two years, we'll likely add at least another two(KRAVTSOV and MILLER) to the mix...and that's before considering what they end up with in this draft...I do think the Rangers should be angling in to get a second first-round pick regardless of what their playoff position is...have to assume a guy like ZUCCARELLO is worth at least a first rounder...ditto with KREIDER, but I'd prefer not trading either...the guy I would zero in to get me back a nice haul is Brady SKJEI...I know few have the stomach to move him...but I bet he'd be worth a mid-first round pick AND a top-prospect if he were put on the market.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:19 am EST

TD: Not sure what you're seeing in Gropp that makes you think he'll eventually make the NHL. He had an unimpressive pro debut last year (14 goals in 59 games) and this year has taken a huge step backwards, at least statistically - a measly 2 goals in 18 games, meaning he'll be lucky at that pace to get 10 all season.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:13 am EST

Brooks is pretty much writing what I've been saying all along: You don't trade HAYES unless it's clear he's heading to UFA'dom or unless the deal is too good to be true. For once I think Brooks is spot on with his assessment...I think if they dangled $6.2 in front of him over five years, he'd sign it in a heartbeat. Probably could slice $250,000 off the top if you tack on another year...which I would also be willing to do...I continue to believe that Hayes under a reasonable contract is worth as much, if not more than Hayes preparing for free agency. But we shall see.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:12 am EST

TD: IMO, the Rangers have done reasonably well overall with their drafts. Yes there have been misses but when we lament over who was available with a pick in the 40s or 50s (or beyond) you're talking about multiple teams with misses. As you know and as we've talked about on here numerous times, the single biggest issue wasn't who and wasn't picked, it was Sather asinine penchant for trading away picks and it started before he misread his team and traded 4 consecutive 1st rounders away. Antropov, McCabe, Scott, Clowe (and more) all were stupidly acquired for picks ranging from 2 to 5. Terrible asset management and thank goodness that philosophy appears to have ended.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 9:06 am EST

re: the 2014 and 2015 drafts...no doubt, they were both blood baths for the Rangers...But to their limited defense, there wasn't a hell of a lot they could have done differently at the time...and the picks they made were somewhat well-reasoned...taking HALVERSIEVE with the second rounder was stupid, IMO...but they were facing the reality that Hank was getting older and they had ZILCHO in the pipeline to replace him...LAFLEUR was a bust(another second rounder frittered away on a marginal goaltending prospect)...STAJCER wasn't going anywhere...and Buffalo killer-SKAPSKI was pretty much it...But to think: We could have had Brayden POINT...ouch...taking Keegan IVERSON in the late third round was a gamble...They wanted to get someone with size and snarl into the system...but he was a bit of a stump...and to think: We could have had ARVIDSSON with that pick...ouch...but after that, you're pretty much rolling the dice on picks...MANTHA wasn't a bad pick and I was always a bit surprised the Rangers cut bait on him. He's been a serviceable AHL dman and I'm pretty sure he'll end up with a cup of coffee in the NHL...and there's always a chance SHESTYORKIN turns out to be our path to the cup...but yeah, lost year...2015 I think the criticism is much more valid...the GROPP pick was bad. I mean, he's another player I think will inevitably make it...the combo of size and speed alone will probably write his ticket...not sure if that'll be with the Rangers or not, but we'll see...still...you look at the caliber of player that was picked after him, and it was an awful pick...none of them have made it quite yet...but I'd feel pretty damn good with FORSBECA-KARLSSON in our system...ditto with Jordan GREENWAY or Rasmus ANDERSSON...SIEGENTHALER, who the Caps picked with our second-rounder we traded to get KOVACS and MORISSON, made his debut recently...and then if we look at the players taken after those two clowns...well, again...nothing sure-fire...but there were some real good pieces...CIRELLI...and then Troy TERRY and Adam GUADETTE taken back-to-back in the fifth...but all-in-all, it's tough to be overly critical of a team that doesn't start it's draft until the 40s or 50s.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:58 am EST

Ryan Spooner update: 5 games played for Edmonton; 0-0-0 and a -6 (and being called out by the press for his endless perimeter play). LOLOLOL!

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:57 am EST

Ha ha ha: Kovalchoke with just over 6 minutes of icetime for the Kings last night - benched for poor play, not hurt. What a stupid contract and so glad he's not a Ranger problem. Thank goodness Gorton stayed away.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:49 am EST

TD: I concur with your statement that the Strome deal is an indictment of the Coyotes' sorry drafting. They've had a ton of high picks and it appears that they've gotten it wrong more often than not. But it also could be a result of a constant losing atmosphere, ala Edmonton. Endless losing is not a nuturing environment. Look at Max Domi - top 15 NHL scorer after getting out of there. It'll be interesting to see if Strome can have the same emergence.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:41 am EST

LB doing an about-face on Hayes in his latest column. I seem to recall he was pretty firm in his thoughts that Hayes would be moved this year. Not today.

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:34 am EST

Dylan Strome's single biggest issue? His skating. Of course 22 is hardly old but if he's not been able to overcome that short coming by now, he likely never will. This isn't to say he cannot be a successful NHL centerman. I don't know what the solution is, although he did put up many of OHL points playing alongside Alex DeBrincat...

rF4l


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:14 am EST

PERLINI/STROME for SCHMALTZ is pretty crazy, IMO. I guess the Yotes have seen enough of Strome to conclude that he's never going to be a top 6 center...Schmaltz is a very good young forward...but to trade a former top-3 pick before his 22nd birthday? That's a deal I do NOT make...as for whether we got the right Strome or not...I know it's tongue-and-cheek, but a similar forward going to the Yotes would have been BUCHNEVICH...Buch for Strome and Perlini? I don't know about that...but no doubt, Dylan Strome has a HUGE upside...and I don't know if I'd part with that...the deal, though, has got to be a HUGE indictment of the Coyotes' drafting...PERLINI was actually taken eight picks after SCHMALTZ...and he's just the start of the guys they passed on with the 12th overall pick(PASTRNAK, LARKIN, TUCH and our very own Tony DeANGELO)....But the Strome pick is starting to look like a real shot to the chin...Passed on MARNER, RANTANEN, BARZAL, WERENSKI...Oy. So I'm not sure I would have had the stomach to cut bait...rather cross the fingers and pray the guy finds his offensive game...He was a point-per-game player in the AHL...I can't see why he wouldn't at least develop into a top six player.

tdchi


Mon Nov 26 2018 8:12 am EST

Cyber Monday sale....just for HOSPO.... https://www.fanatics.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/jarret-stoll-new-york-rangers-fanatics-authentic-framed-autographed-16-x-20-blue-jersey-close-up-photograph/o-3551+t-69606348+p-57805403738+z-9-1003202751

tradestar28


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:04 am EST

“We’re going to watch what unfolds, evaluate and go from there,” Gorton told The Post. “The way we play will be a factor in whatever decisions we make leading into the trade deadline. I’m certainly not in a hurry to do anything.”......I’m sorry. When you tell me that your team won’t be ready to win for five years, I hear nothing more than a self-fulfilling prophecy, at best, and a plea not to be held accountable, at worst. The Rangers, to be sure, have never said anything of the sort. There is no reason they should start now.......https://nypost.com/2018/11/25/kevin-hayes-is-more-to-rangers-than-a-potential-trade-chip/

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 7:01 am EST

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/sports/ilya-kovalchuk-kings.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 26 2018 5:32 am EST

Bob, we can probably put an entire lineup out there of the other guys. Fedor Federov, Sean Pronger, Paul Broten (I actually liked Paul Broten in his role in the early 90s)

DREW


Mon Nov 26 2018 12:31 am EST

BOB - Not so sure the Rangers got the wrong Strome..he may be th rigth fit for the Rangers..we'll see...ALL of Schmaltz, Perlini and Strome were all huge disappoints this year...More is expected based on where they were drafted, just like with Ryan Strome, but unlike the other three, I think he may also be able to be a 3rd liner if the offense is never top 6 level

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:51 pm EST

STAY TUNED I guess??? ....Howard Berger ‏ @Berger_BYTES .... Loud, though unconfirmed, whisper tonight that #Leafs and William Nylander have agreed on a contract. Announcement Monday? ....Word that Leafs-Nylander contract could be a sign-and-trade, though I think Dubas wants to keep him.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:49 pm EST

Just for Bob: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT4RainY-lY

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:45 pm EST

The Rangers got the wrong Strome. In previous years, they also had the wrong Orr (Colton) and the wrong Hossa (Marcel).

Bob


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:31 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... CHI is banking on a few things in this trade with ARI: 1. Strome will be able to play 2nd line centre behind Toews. 2. Strome and DeBrincat may be able to re-create OHL chemistry in NHL. 3. Improved depth, getting two skilled forwards (Strome and Perlini) for one (Schmaltz).

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:26 pm EST

andrei.... Thank goodness for college FA signings like Hayes, Vesey, Pionk, Georgiev, Gilmour and Lettieri(and others)... Not all worked out, some were HUGE signings. It greatly helped make up for those missing two draft years. Where would we be without them,?

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:17 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... Perlini and Strome for Schmalz in ARI-CHI trade.... No picks involved. No salary retained.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:42 pm EST

Rhet, Shesterkin might be star in making. If he makes it, the whole Rangers batch drafted in 2014 won't matter. 2015 draft? Looks like not a deep draft after 1st round. Rangers, of course, did not have a 1st round pick and only player I wished they had drafted in the 2nd was Sebastian Aho, whom Carolina picked 35th, when Rangers drafted great Ryan Gropp 41st overall.

andrei


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:36 pm EST

Kreider hardly captain material...Staal now or maybe Shattenkirk in the future if he keeps playing well...

PJ


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:28 pm EST

Kreider the captain? Yeah, that's the ticket - give the c to a guy who's most noted for his continual disappearing acts. E - that's not aimed at you (unless you think that's what the Rangers should do - lol).

rF4l


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:26 pm EST

Max Domi with 11 goals and 26 points in 24 games, putting him on pace for 80+ points. Meanwhile, the Arizona Coyotes suck once again sitting 29th overall, a very familiar spot for them. LOLOL...

rF4l


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:01 pm EST

I believe getting a 'C" on your NYR jersey is a mere stepping stone to being traded. See: Callahan, Ryan; McDonagh, Ryan. Hmm. Maybe only if your name is Ryan (or rhymes with it...was Leetch still C when he was traded?)

LeoS


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:55 pm EST

Rhet: you're muckin it up but good, please continue..... Want to buy vowel? :->

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:47 pm EST

Oh yeah Wild. Rebuild is on??? Nobody is safe. Pray you have a toxic contract. That’ll keep you in a blue shirt.

E


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:39 pm EST

As I've said numerous times: SATHER SUCKS. His most impressive achievement in the last 25+ years is his hob for life situation.

RF4l


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:34 pm EST

Sorry, Duchy not duchie. also not to be confused with dookie.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:33 pm EST

BTW, I believe the spelling you guys are looking is 'douchie.' Duchie actually means 'the territory of a duke or duchess; a dukedom.'

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:28 pm EST

Wild: what I was trying to point out is that this may endorse your POV that Duchy is a "troublemaker" when not supervised. "" ""But after a video surfaced of Duchene and several Ottawa players trashing their assistant coach during an infamous Uber ride, the Senators can no longer wait until the Feb. 25 trade deadline.""""

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:26 pm EST

Glenn Sather's last two drafts ladies and gentlemen. He really showed the new guy how it's done.When is this guy going to retire?? ....per Steve Kournianos ‏ @TheDraftAnalyst .... Interesting, NYR are the only team to not have a single skater from the 2014 & 2015 drafts to never play an NHL game. Of the 14 combined picks, only goalie Brandon Halverson has NHL experience, and he played just 13 mins.... Only skater still with the organization is Ryan Gropp.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:35 pm EST

E: I dont think anyone is "off the market" save those with NMC or NTC, and some of the kids....who really, for the right return they would part with. But McDavid isn't being traded, so some of those kids will not go anyplace if you get my meaning.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:30 pm EST

Wild: I don’t think Chris Krieder is off the market but I get the feeling they plan on putting a C on him.

E


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:12 pm EST

...and as if Kreider isn't an important part of the Rangers playoff hopes.....I mean I understand Kreider may be moved, of course, but the reasoning that guy used is just...well...its really kind of grasping.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:09 pm EST

and Zucc was always near or at the top of the trade list for the Rangers....this guy just randomly picked names out of a hat or something....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:09 pm EST

mf: SO his logic is that becsaue Hayes is playing so good, Zucc or Kreider may be moved instead....so Hayes is going to not hit is highest goal output, and not much more points than his career best (on pace for 6 more than his best ever) and that makes them look at moving Kreider who is on pace to shatter his goal output, and his points output by 15 points.....what kind of sense does that make..."this guy is playing so good we are going to move a guy who is applying better!"

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:33 pm EST

WildCard: Michael Traikos of the Toronto Sun took a look at five players he believed could be traded this season and among the names he listed were Tyler Toffoli of the LA Kings, William Nylander of the Toronto Maple Leafs, Matt Duchene of the Ottawa Senators, Sergei Bobrovsky of the Columbus Blue Jackets and Chris Kreider of the New York Rangers. On the matter of Matt Duchene, Traikos wrote, "As a pending unrestricted free agent, he was always going to be traded sometime this season. ""But after a video surfaced of Duchene and several Ottawa players trashing their assistant coach during an infamous Uber ride, the Senators can no longer wait until the Feb. 25 trade deadline."" https://www.thesportster.com/news/biggest-nhl-rumors-this-week-november-18-2018/

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:26 pm EST

West Coast Ranger-Fans: https://www.thesportster.com/news/anaheim-ducks-sign-deal-to-stay-in-anaheim-until-2048/

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:21 pm EST

Ken Hitchcock has only been behind the Edmonton Oilers bench as head coach for a few days but he's already making sweeping changes, including calling up Jesse Puljujarvi from the AHL despite managements desire to get him more time and build his confidence..... https://www.thesportster.com/news/ken-hitchcocks-calls-up-puljujarvi-to-nhl/

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:58 pm EST

And, this has to stand by itself,,since I have said good things about HOWDEN, CHYTL and even ANDERSSON...Guess I have to tip my hat (and eat some of it) to Gordo and his staff..Better than the other way around!

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:57 pm EST

Another thing about Gettinger, he is 6'6" and sometimes that makes guys look slower and like worse skaters. He wasn't left behind by the play or anything like that....need to see more as he gains confidence to really see if he will are able to play at NHL speed.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:55 pm EST

I think Gettinger could be fine as a 4th liner/Black Ace..Ditto with ..just not 2/3rds of an effective 4th line..Can Fogarty be sent down without having to clear waivers?

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:49 pm EST

mf: He started to look a little more confident later in the game....and he did have 5 hits...thats a good thing to see in a first game.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:48 pm EST

Gettinger doesn't come across as a particularly good skater.. I don't see much if any confidence in his play but I'll cut him some slack since he's a newbie call up.....

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:35 pm EST

Gettinger recalled.....they were like "You didn't play well enough to stay int he NHL.......JUST KIDDING LOL"

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 5:24 pm EST

I see the Howden upside as more than a good utility player....He is that already....Have to see Lias with better players but like how DQ is bringing him along...Chytil and Pionk are major contributors now and Rangers have to be thrilled with their development...I know I am....

PJ


Sun Nov 25 2018 4:43 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NHL Public Relations ‏Verified account @PR_NHL 23h23 hours ago Most points by a @NYRangers defenseman through his first 50 career NHL games: 10-38—48 - Brian Leetch 8-28—36 - Ron Greschner 8-25—33 - Sergei Zubov 5-24—29 - @NPionk95 #NHLStats #WSHvsNYR

stevielegs


Sun Nov 25 2018 4:00 pm EST

Pionk looks like a steal. Howden reminds me somewhat of Sergei Nemchinov. Swiss Army knife. Just like Fast. Tell me what you need and I’ll do it utility player. Need me to play big minutes? NP. Need you as a spare part? NP high hockey IQ. just good hockey players.

E


Sun Nov 25 2018 4:00 pm EST

Since we're discussing "Yutes," A couple of our boys mentioned in this article: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/nhl-rookie-overview-the-calder-trophy-finalists-so-far-the-top-10-the-long-shots-the-goalies

mf


Sun Nov 25 2018 3:16 pm EST

HOSPO: I agree....Chytil is another one with that mentality and character.....seems the Rangers will at the very least be one of the hardest working teams for years to come.....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 3:12 pm EST

I think CHYTL does also..just plays a differnt game..and the Rangers need him to..Looks like a good group but still early

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 2:43 pm EST

E: Howden is in the same boat IMHO. He is a heart and soul type player. I could envision those 3 have letters one day or at least a couple of them....hard workers for sure, the right kind of attitudes.....that character part of the Rangers scouting department is showing to be a good way of helping rank players so far.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 2:26 pm EST

As I see it amongst the kids Pionk and Lias are gonna be the heartbeat of this team. Talk about two guys willing to sell it all out to win. Pionk is ahead developmentally but I see a lot to like in the blue collar game of Lias. And he plays heart on sleeve.

E


Sun Nov 25 2018 1:00 pm EST

Call up Beleskey and you have somewhat replaced McCleod...Better hockey player actually...A disturbing thing for me watching yesterday was an AVish type physical game...No response to Caps physical play at all...It was like watching a game from last year....Hayes is teams best all round center right now....

PJ


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:34 am EST

RDW - I understand about Krider disappearing here and there..but what Ranger doesnt? hell, ZBAD takes weeks off..that's been his calling card (although he is getting better effort wise)...Krider may never be what we hope..but what he is and what he MAY be...is not something you trade in today's NHL..JMWO and I understand why some think he should be traded

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 11:27 am EST

Wildcard: I don't think anyone is taking issue with Kreider not scoring in the last two games. What people do take issue with is his propensity for disappearing for several games. At this point I don't think that's going to change. I'm not looking to trade him just for the hell of it but I definitely think they should be seeing what they can get for him.

RDW


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:55 am EST

Wildcard - ANDERSSON is far more skilled than GETTINGER...I mean, by leaps and bounds...Gettinger is a very good player, but he's not a guy who is going to stick handle through traffic or thread a pass that will wow you. He's very much a meat-and-potatoes guy, who uses his big frame to create space and generate opportunities. That said, he's not and probably never will be an NHL top-six player...and if I were to make the call, he is a solid AHL campaign away from being NHL ready. Getting plopped on a line with Z or HAYES ain't gonna change that.

tdchi


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:55 am EST

By the way after this season (I think its after this season) Smith's NTC goes from a 15 team trade list to a 10 team trade list. You would think that this year at the deadline, or soon after the season is over before the next NHL year starts that they will look to move him.....5 extra teams increases the opportunity to get a deal done.If he continues to play better as he has the last couple games he has been in I am sure there will be teams interested.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:43 am EST

RF4l: Kreider isn't old....he will still be in his prime when this team starts to contend. Anyway...trading him now will leave a giant gap int he lineup...and you will NOT get equal return. Cup or no, you need to have players that have been around....Kreider is one of those guys you keep on the forward end. Staal, as I have said, is the guy you keep around the back end. He many not be Captain material (IMHO) but you can see by the way he interacts with the other guys not he team he is one of those that helps lead the team and hold it together. You dont trade guys because they dont do anything you like for 2 games.....he leads the team in goals and points, is on pace to be a 40 goal scorer, is well over 3/4 of a point per game....and your first instinct when he doesn't score in 2 games is to trade him....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:37 am EST

Perfect time to trade Kreider is bow in other words. But no hang on to him because a cuo is right around the corner. Lololol.

RF4l


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:32 am EST

RHET - Who said anything bout winning? The teaam took off 2/3rds of the last two games both mentally and physically...On-ice team leaders or 4th line bangers, of which Mcleod had been one, could have some impact on team-wide malaise here and there...but again, i guess it was only a litmus test on Mcleod if the Rangers played great and won

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:27 am EST

On Kreider. If he keeps up his play, an interesting stat. His previous highest shot total was 2016-17 with 186 shots, he is on pace this season for 232....that is a massive increase in shots....its no wonder he is on pace to blow away his highest goal output (on pace for 41, 28 is his previous high) he is also on pace to beat his asset high by a couple. SO really his game has "only" picked up in getting the puck on net and getting it in the back of the net. Not a bad place to improve

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:25 am EST

Rhet0ric - iClod was clearly the missing piece in 2013-2014. We could have had the cup, goddamnit.

tdchi


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:21 am EST

Saying that of course he isn't untouchable...but you dont trade him for less impactful players....no Rangers player will bring back a guy who brings his A game every game...there are none of those even in the NHL. EVERY player has off stretches, off nights....Crosby has had multiple 5 game pointless streaks for instance...he is one of the best players in the world...Kreider not getting on the score sheet a couple in a row...it happens to MOST NHL players. Kreider gets traded and it will be for a futures thing, that may or may not be as good as him, or now players or player that are not as impactful...over 6 foot, 220+ pound faster than most of the NHL players that score 20+ goals and screen the goalie really well on the PP dont grow on trees.....but you will not get equal return. Dangerous road to go down...IF the kids surpass him he can be moved next season...but I wouldn't wish that decision even one bit.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:17 am EST

rf4l: If Kreider being invisible means he leads the team with shots on goal at 6....I think i will take invisible from more players......something tells me you are seeing what you want...

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:14 am EST

stevielegs: May not need to...they showed the other evening by calling up Gettinger, that they will call a guy up after a game on back to back nights and sit a vet. Yeah this time was for precautionary injury reasons, but they could do the same thing for any reason.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 10:12 am EST

td: Yes a better set. Anderson is a good player, but still hasn't found his game yet. SO by better I mean a couple guys who have found their NHL game, to see what that does for the kid, would help him out some I am sure. My idea that he gets called back up this year depends a lot on what the team is doing, what injuries there are, what moves are made. If he continues to improve in Hartford he could be a short term injury call up like this last game. I think its good to get the kids who may not be fully ready a taste....it shows them how hard they need to work to be ready for the NHL level, see the speed of the games and all that. Its good for the coaching staff to see what areas they are strongest in and what areas need the most work. In a rebuilding type year that is important I think...it also sends a message to the other AHL players, if you re doing good you will get a shot to play in an NHL game or a few of them, to give you a chance to show you belong.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:56 am EST

they do need to call up an extra forward, to keep the rest on their toes and give Quinn someone to sit.....they need a new icloud.....is mcquaid alive ?

stevielegs


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:51 am EST

I am amazed!! McLeod has a greater effect on a team than Messier ever did. Only, how did the NYR win those games without McLeod in the lineup?

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:41 am EST

Hospo - I have changed my stance: iClod for captain. I'm pretty sure he's got god blood pumping through those veins.

tdchi


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:40 am EST

Wildcard - Better set of linemates?! Really? I mean, FOGARTY is a prototypical fourth liner...but ANDERSSON? The Rangers often do this with kids in Hartford...they bring them up for a quick audition when the need arises to see where they're at. I could have told you that GETTINGER is not NHL-ready...and there are others on the Pack who are...or at least as NHL-ready as they're going to get...Anyway, it was nice to see him up. And I would not be surprised at all if he has a regular spot in the lineup next season. But this year? I strongly doubt it.

tdchi


Sun Nov 25 2018 9:39 am EST

When have we seen this before: Kreider had an invisible 2 games. IMO, he should not be an untouchable.

rF4l


Sun Nov 25 2018 8:57 am EST

Stevie: But I think they still have the wrong GM....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 7:11 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/11/24/oilers-have-the-right-coach-to-end-decades-of-disappointment/

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:36 am EST

Adding to that I would like to see Gettinger with a better set of line mates....like Howden and Cesey or something, not that Strome doesn’t look good there, just curious what the big kid can do with a line like that.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:36 am EST

Adding to that I would like to see Gettinger with a better set of line mates....like Howden and Cesey or something, not that Strome doesn’t look good there, just curious what the big kid can do with a line like that.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 6:34 am EST

I think we will see Gettinger again this season. He had just 7 minutes of ice time. He did have 1 blocked shot (and went down in front of others that went over or around home, he is clearly unafraid to block shots) and he was credited with 5 hits. He had a hit for almost every minute of ice time. As Hospo said he and Fogerty together was not anything I really want to see again....not that they were “bad” just that they are both limited, especially as rookies. Perhaps they will be two thirds of a good 4th line someday, but they need more experience. Gettinger and Fogerty in I think it was the 3rd had a little offensive zone pressure, they just couldn’t get on the same page, Anderson was out there as well, and it looked good but the puck ended up going through open space and out of the zone....there is skill there, enough I think from those two big guys to play on the 4th line. AND if they decide they are not going to make the post season they should put them there and let it ride.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 25 2018 3:39 am EST

TDCHI - Hard to discounbt that the general lack of of max effort and doing what it takes over the past two games wasnt influenced a little by not having McLeod..You are the one that was saying it was going to be a Litmus test on Mcleod's existence on the team..hey, he sucks as a hockey player but he has alot of worth to DQ and the Rangers

Hospo


Sun Nov 25 2018 3:21 am EST

Clearly, it was all Cody MciClod.

tdchi


Sun Nov 25 2018 1:22 am EST

“That third goal epitomized the second period,” Quinn said. “[Ovechkin] goes in and finishes his check and then he goes to the front of the net to score. If you’re going to create space, you have to hit. We didn’t.”....“Maybe we felt pretty good about the first period, but I thought they upped the ante the way we knew they would,” Quinn said. “They came with more of a pushback and we didn’t respond. Hockey DNA means skating and hitting people, and I don’t think we did either one of those things [in the second period].”

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:18 pm EST

Littieri is obviously where he belongs..Make him the Mayor of Hartford and give him a contract for Life..Hoepfully we never see him in NY again...That being said..BOTH Fogart and Gettinger together doeslittle for me either

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:05 pm EST

Wolf Pack win again 3-1 Gilmour with a goal, Lettieri with 2 assists. Three in a row for the pack ....Newfie....I don't feel like Ronning got a fair shake when he was in Hartford. I would have liked to see him play everyday before he was sent down. I also don't think we've seen the last of Lettieri in the NHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 10:26 pm EST

Rhet......isn't it funny ,players just excel where they belong I guess ? Letteri doesn't do squat with the big club ,sent down and starts scoring like crazy...…..Ronning can't make the Pack line-up and in a third rate league , lights it up ?????????

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 10:24 pm EST

Howden...Sorry...

PJ


Sat Nov 24 2018 10:19 pm EST

PJ...Holden with a turnover? LSD inducwd flashback? ;^)

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:50 pm EST

Ty Ronning with 3 goals and 2 assists tonight for the Maine Mariners. Vince Pedrie also had a 1 goal and an 1 assist

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:35 pm EST

Philly Cheesesteaks down to the Maple Syrups 6-0

rangerlou


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:34 pm EST

I see the Gettinger experiment is done

rangerlou


Sat Nov 24 2018 8:56 pm EST

Well that outcome really sucked.... Holden with neutral zone turnover but thought GEO should have had the 4th goal....Up 2-1 no need for our D to go deep....Caps too explosive to have forward playing D......Not impressed by Fogarty at all and honestly Gettinger was a nothing too....I will take Lettieri over either any day.....

PJ


Sat Nov 24 2018 8:55 pm EST

Pionk played the open net like it mattered. No quit in him. I like that kid. He’s scrappy, he’s always hitting. He’s like a more skilled Fast for the blue line. Can’t teach heart and balls

E


Sat Nov 24 2018 7:49 pm EST

Yet the stats say the nyr outhit and outshot them . But the second period was the game. The mighty Quinney might want to rethink his use of his 4 th line and their toi. Is 10 minutes too much to ask for?

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 24 2018 7:45 pm EST

Passs the Duchy on the Left Hand Side...But seriously, I have seen Duchense play several games this year and he was the bestr Senator on the ice..I guess we'll see first hand on Monday

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 7:26 pm EST

mf: and in true “Duchy” fashion he has helped his team to a 4-5-1 record in their last 10...with 3 bad losses in a row...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 6:55 pm EST

WildCard: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/matt-duchene-is-driving-up-his-price-with-each-passing-game

mf


Sat Nov 24 2018 6:54 pm EST

AdayLateLegs: This kid hits: WILLIAM CARRIER - http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=realtime&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20182019&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=hits ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10124

mf


Sat Nov 24 2018 6:41 pm EST

The mighty Quinney “ we got to hit guys” ... is Beleskey getting called up ?

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 24 2018 6:11 pm EST

Wow, just watched the replay of the Connoly goal a little more closely. BIG gaff by Strome. It was just a one on one down the wing against Smith and Vesey was there for support. Strome leaves his wing comes right across and trys to help ,making it 3 Rangers on the carrier ,leaving Connoly wide open. Have a look. These are the things that will be pointed out to the boys on video day.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:45 pm EST

Gettinger reassigned to Hartford.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:16 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree on the D. IN the case of Skjei out side the goal he had a quiet game. Solid and quiet....I think thats what he needed to do. Staal was also quiet. Wasn't running around, in good position....for him thats exactly how he needs to be to be at his best. He used to be more physical and more offensive, at least in getting the puck up the ice, now he needs to play quiet, simple, solid and not allow the other team to get pressure.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:10 pm EST

PIONK was the mst notable and most physcal D-man for the Rangers..The other guys (CLaesson, SMith, Staal, SKJEI) didnt play horrible but needed to sstep it up some more physically..OTOH, the ranger forwards , for the most prt, got continulally out worked aafter the first period..excpt sshft by the HAYES line and the Howden line

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:07 pm EST

Try that again... PIONK was the number one skater with ice time at 23:03. He deserved every minute of it. This was one of those games where you wonder if you'll look back and think "that's where he turned the corner."

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:07 pm EST

RHET - I can agree with most of that...ZUCC does indeed seem like the player to deal and i can see him really helping a better team--not somebody like the Oilers

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:06 pm EST

PIONK was number one skater with ice time at 23:03. He deserved every minute of it. This was one of those where you wonder if you'll look back and think "that's where he turned the corner."

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:04 pm EST

Hospo.... I can see Zucc and 1 or 2 of the defensemen being moved before January but I think Hayes will be held until the trade deadline. I expect they'll want to see if his rate of play continues. I think they'll also look closely at how much he's looking for. That said, I really want to see Howden get more minutes to determine if he can be the guy as a 2nd line center. JMO, of course.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 5:01 pm EST

And, FWIW, DQ continues (and has for last 12-13 games) to give the most ice time to HAYES..he obviously values him for some assinine reason..And HOWDE getting moreice time than ZBAD--he deserved it today...OTOH, if there were more PPs, ZBAD gets that

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:58 pm EST

I know HAYES has his weaknesses and I play devil's advocate with him..but the guy is a real good PASS well and pass first two way 2nd center that can play in any situation..and i know ZBAD is better offenvively, especially the PP, and has bought in a bit to DQ's system...You trade either you are going to tank...Up to Gordo and the Rangers

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:47 pm EST

Murdoch has the best nickname ever though.....MURDER

tradestar28


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:44 pm EST

Yes..Johnnie O hiting the post and Spoon Murdoch hitting the pipe..

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:43 pm EST

I HATE TOM WILSON..I wish the Rangers had him!

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:40 pm EST

angle not age

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:39 pm EST

It's not subjective, it's factual.

kitchen1


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:37 pm EST

rF4l: I would like to see an age that we can see the puck on that shot...if the puck was rolling or bouncing it would come off the stick strange.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:36 pm EST

BTW, did Chytil miss the net entirely on that nice setup from Hayes or did it get tipped. If the former, he needs to bury those - from what I saw, the net was wide open.

rF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:35 pm EST

kitchen1: That's subjective!

rF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:34 pm EST

Hopso....I think Gene Carr was before my time....I do remember Marcel Hossa though.....Also, I remember the Rangers beating Marian's Thrashers in the playoffs and the MSG crowd chanting "Marcel's Better".....ummm....maybe not.......and ofcourse if it was Carl Hagelin...he woulda hit the goalie right in the "t" of the Capitals crest

tradestar28


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:31 pm EST

andrei: You are the one smoking something.....I didn't even remember the Hayes touch pass that helped lead to the Skjei goal....so he had a hand in 2 Rangers goals tonight....but according to you he was no good and should have been benched...The Rangers right now are in a playoff position....they had a bad game yesterday and a bad period and a half today...against the current champs....they were right in that game....to act like they could be better than the other middle of the road teams is silly talk....DO I guarantee a playoff spot...no....and I have said that even if they make it they will be out rather quickly....but to say there would be no contest? Well the Caps are a team they could possibly face on the first round if they make it in...and they just showed today that the Caps have to pour it on to beat them...and in another 60 games the young kids will be better, so the Rangers should be better overall.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:31 pm EST

Somewhere out there... Johnny O is still hitting the post :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:31 pm EST

I'm not defending him ;) I'm simply pointing out that Andrei is an asshole!!

kitchen1


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:31 pm EST

RHET - Agee about both..Rangers made some bad choices and poor execution in the last 40..Thatcan be worked on

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:30 pm EST

Agreed the Z line with Name and Fast is nothing more than a checking line and a complete waste of Z's skillset. Why not swap Chytil with Fast?

rF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:30 pm EST

TRADE - That was more GENE CARR-like! :) Or Marcel Hossa..

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:30 pm EST

Good learning experience for a young team. If you make a mistake with a team like the Caps, more often then not, they will make you regret it. I will be interested to see if Fogarty get's sent down(meaning Zucc is back). I think Gettinger outplayed him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:29 pm EST

kitchen coming to the defense of Hospo? Wow...Ranger losing sure creates chaos in here!

rF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:29 pm EST

Chytyl missed the entire freakin net......Atleast John Ogrodnick used to hit the fuckin post in the late 80's

tradestar28


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:28 pm EST

ANDREI - yeah, You're right, they are a devloping team and how far out of the POs are they right now if the season ended today?

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:27 pm EST

Andrei.....STFU!!!!!

kitchen1


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:27 pm EST

Hospo, you need to stop smoking that good "shit" you are smoking... Playoffs? You are funny..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:26 pm EST

Too Bad CHYTL coulnt bury tht pretty pass from Hayes near the end..they were that close to stealing a point or two

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:26 pm EST

WHAT A GREAT DEFENSIVE PLAY BY PIONK ON OV!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:25 pm EST

Good. As expected.. Rangers had a chance to put Caps away in the 2nd, but wanted to play cute.. Just shows you how far apart they are from a "real" contender. They won;t make playoffs. If somehow they do, they will get wiped out in 4 games... No context..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:25 pm EST

SCREW HUGHES..POs 2019

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:24 pm EST

Caps without both Kuznetsov and Oshie..played a good 2nd and 3rd--the better team..was hoping the Rangers could hold on to the tie...NAMESTNIKOV on the top 2 lines is just not the way to go..I dont mind Gettinger or Fogarty,..but not crazy of a line with both...

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:23 pm EST

Looks like Wilson cross checked the Ranger forward there to get the puck....not a cross check, but a good stick between the legs to bring Kreider down.....not sure if that would be a penalty or not.....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:23 pm EST

Stupid fucking garbage can refs.....how about a goddamn crosscheck on Tom fuckin Wilson

tradestar28


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:22 pm EST

Lose for Hughes...

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:19 pm EST

Kreider was pretending to play defense there. Just awful.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:19 pm EST

I like what I am seeing from Gettinger, he isn't overly physical, but he finishes checks when they are there and doesn't let it take him out of the play at the same time. skates hard to the puck...not a bad first game for him.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:16 pm EST

John Carlson is a fabulous dman.

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:16 pm EST

WOW... The Caps are scary good.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:15 pm EST

HOSPO: I do think that people look too much on what position he was drafted. He ended up not developing into a top line guy, and I think teams try to force that and expect that and it makes them not get the best use out of him. You give him chances he will do a good job getting points, but as you said, from a 3rd line role, and at a 3rd line rate....but thats fine if he helps the team win games.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:14 pm EST

Howden again....he KNEW what was about to happen and started skating to that spot long before the puck was even ready to be moved from there....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:12 pm EST

Noo matter when he was drafted, Strome may just be a good 3rd line player that could really help the Rangers the next few years

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:12 pm EST

RF4l: I think you hit it on the head there.....Howden is a cerebral player...its not just his physical skill, he is thinking faster than most of the guys not he ice with him...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:11 pm EST

Rhet: I think Strome's game fits in perfectly with what DQ is trying to do....also, he may not be a fast skater, but he is a smooth skater. Sometimes slower guys look like crap skating....he is a rare smooth skater without speed.....its strange he cant get more speed out of his skating. I wonder if the right skating coach could give him just a little more zip...if he was just a touch faster he would be much more effective.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:10 pm EST

Howden's upside is considerable. So smart.

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:09 pm EST

Brett Howden leads all NHL rookies in games with at least one point this season (12). #NYR

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:09 pm EST

I really like how quickly Strome bought into DQ's system. Offensively, he's also got really good hands. Imagine if we get him going?

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:07 pm EST

Buch did really get injured at a bad time. He turned a corner and was playing a solid two way game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:07 pm EST

Rangers winning that trade early on here.....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:06 pm EST

What a play by Howden....until they showed it slow motion...wow....I mean who does that? Who kicks the puck right to another guy like that?

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:05 pm EST

good grinding shift by Strome-Howden-Vesey...Hard work pays off!!

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:05 pm EST

Strome! Well that was a nice hard working shift...and his skill showed on that one....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:05 pm EST

STROME BABY STROME!!!!..... FROM HOWDEN

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:04 pm EST

Rhet: Real quietly his D has been getting better....its been missed I think because his offensive game has been so visible

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:03 pm EST

HOSPO: By the way Shatenkirk was the other D out on that play who had pinched in....was along the half wall....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 4:02 pm EST

WOW.... Pionk has been impressing me today with his defense. We usually talk about his offense.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:59 pm EST

Well, the BUCH of his last few games is missed..not the BUCH of most of the season

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:58 pm EST

RHET - I'll be hinest..I dont understand the Nmaestnikov-ZBAD-FAST line and hve said few times it is unfair to ZBAD, at least offesnively...I also think HAYES hsould be aying with somebody like FAST instead while ZBAD deserves a skilled line mate--I dont mean Namestnikov

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:58 pm EST

Yeah, for all the shit we give Buch, he is sorely missed.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:57 pm EST

Of course, Panarin does have his deficiencies.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:57 pm EST

Buch is missed I'd say.

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:55 pm EST

To be fair: Hayes plays with the two best offensive wings on the team. Z-Bad plays pretty much with two checking forwards. Howden at least has Vesey. Zuc coming back will help a bit but he doesn't score like he used to.... Imagine how good we could be by adding a Panarin.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:53 pm EST

Basically, eveybody shows their bias here..that's what opinons mostly are

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:51 pm EST

Did I say anything about HAYES?

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:51 pm EST

HAYES and his mates the only offensive threat..so they give away the puck in the o-zone now and then..they werent even close to burned...Most of the team played sloppy and lazy in the 2nd --some due to the CAPs really elevating their game...Caoches and leaders need to light a fire under the team's collective arse

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:49 pm EST

Was I bashing Hayes? I missed it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:48 pm EST

Touche RHET..just calling it as i see it

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:45 pm EST

Not that I even care about players on other teams but wow, that Wilson is STUPID isn't he ? Like to check on his I Q … I've seen him interviewed and he seems quite normal but then he steps on the ice and BLANK.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:44 pm EST

The Caps are a very very good team, but that play in the corner not being called a penalty was total BS.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:44 pm EST

Took one game with Zuc and now whole team is reverting to the last year play.. Hayes had a horrible 2nd period. Horrible.... He plays like he is a "superstar".. I'm happy. Loose for Huges...

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:41 pm EST

HOSPO: SO the D should never leave the point and be covered by a Forward????

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:41 pm EST

Hospo... Your bias is clearly showing.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:40 pm EST

The refs buried their whistles.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:40 pm EST

WILD - Dont agree..but it matters little..not aftert that great play by Namesntikov and shitty play by the ZBAD line at the end of the period,...RANGERS had only one linev with a hint of offense that period..the rest were stuck in mud....more reminecent of yesterday

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:39 pm EST

As expected. A complete refusal to get the puck deep..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:39 pm EST

How was that not a hit from behind? Guy facing the boards, gets shoved in....then that guy goes and scores......

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:39 pm EST

Apparenylu you're allowed to tackle a guy in the corner at the end of a period.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:37 pm EST

Hospo: He wasn't back defending a rush...not to start....the puck was in the zone, it bounced past him up high.....cant blame the D for that, they should be cycling....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:36 pm EST

HOSPO: Not sure who else was out there...Claesson was the first D back, got there just a bit too late....not sure who he was on the ice with at the time.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:35 pm EST

WILD - No..Howden shoulnt have been back there dfending a riush..a D-man fucked up..I was kidding with that Hayes comment

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:35 pm EST

100% deserved. Well, we had 9 game winning streak. Loosing streak is continuing.. They will loose tonight..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:35 pm EST

Puckyou: If he has half the career it will be a great....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:34 pm EST

@#$%!

wiosa


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:34 pm EST

who was Howden covering for?

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:34 pm EST

HOSPO: That was Howden....I ma sure he learned form that....puck did bounce, but he was not anticipating having to turn and go defensive....he was playing it more like he had a Dman behind him.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:33 pm EST

I know I said Zubov yesterday, but the better comparison is probably Rafalski, who wasn’t drafted and was a smallish rhd also . Lemon Lou pulled him out of Europe. Hopefully Pionk has a similar career.

Puckyou


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:33 pm EST

Wow..who the hell got caught up ice on that play? Was it HAYES?

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:32 pm EST

Howden was burned badly.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:32 pm EST

HOSPO: His line has been out against the Caps top line a lot....they have done a good job not allowing the Caps to get things going....not what you would think of as a good game for a top line because the lack of offensive stuff, but still important.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:30 pm EST

caps got first 5 shots.....who cares....its 2-1....the Rangers scored off a Hayes play...and there have been other chances with Hayes making plays and controlling the puck....you are focusing on the first 5 shots of the game? there is 5 min left in the 2nd period....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:29 pm EST

It does not bode well that we are getting horribly outshot this period. Thank goodness GEO hasn't given up too many rebounds.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:29 pm EST

ZBAD playing? so far, Rangers onky a threat when Hayes and his line mates are on

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:28 pm EST

Wild, what chances? Caps got first 5 shots on goal. Rangers kept on over-passing, leading by Hayes..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:27 pm EST

Smith is having a good game so far.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:26 pm EST

you mean other than the one that lead to the goal....and the couple that have lead directly to good chances.....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:25 pm EST

Hayes deserves to get benched. Turn over machine, one bad play after another..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:23 pm EST

Campbell soup?

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:19 pm EST

Lazy play by the Rangers after that second goal...

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:18 pm EST

Sloppy play boys.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:18 pm EST

nice shift by HAYES leading to that goal...good fo SKJEI..hope that helps him

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:17 pm EST

That was a cannon shot. Wow.

Bob


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:17 pm EST

BRADY SKJEI SCORES!!! MAN THE KID REALLLLLYYY N EEDED THIS.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:15 pm EST

Hayes is now thinks that he is Gretzky... So paint-full to watch..

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:11 pm EST

Georgiev is a feisty kid. He's welcome to hit Wilson some more :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:10 pm EST

My God Skjei....

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:10 pm EST

Damn, HOWDEN plays with alot of confidence now..really great to see...

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:09 pm EST

OV is targeting Pionk...trying to line him up for one of his thindering hits.

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:08 pm EST

NEWFIE - Like I said, he still slides back. but he mainly plays a straigh forward two-waygame now.and moreso than almost every Ranger forward outside of Fast....Agree that he still overthinks/overpasses but it'sbgetting better and better

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:05 pm EST

Shitbox PP...

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:05 pm EST

It's like that old saying... "give him an inch, he takes a mile".... "give him a mile and he takes all of Rhode Island."

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:04 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ... #NYR have six rookies playing today (Andersson, Chytil, Fogarty, Georgiev, Gettinger, and Howden), including five rookie forwards. Prior today’s game, the last time NYR had five rookie forwards play in the same game was 4/11/06 vs. NYI (Prucha, Moore, Orr, Hollweg, and Immonen).

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 3:02 pm EST

Hospo……..woah, let's not go over board …..two of his biggest faults are still over-thinking and over-passing. Remember, he is a Joe Thornton "wanna be" not a "clone". Relax on that one.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:58 pm EST

Verygood 1st period. How will Washington respond?

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:53 pm EST

NEWFIE - He's made alot of stright forward simple plays the last 80 games or so..still slides back now and the but more consistent than most Rangers

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:52 pm EST

It says a lot for the character of the team. They don't ever quit.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:52 pm EST

nice little rebound by the Rangers playing good positional hockey (though with little physipcality).combined with very sloppy play by the Caps..Opposite of yestgerday..we'll see what happens in the next 40...VESEY having the year so far I thiught was coming last year...all in due time I guess...Namestnikove with his typical game to game inconsistinces..couldt get rid of him fast enough and mybe get a decent pick

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:48 pm EST

Geez, there may be some hope for Hayes yet. He made a good play on that goal, he didn't over think it , he didn't over -pass he made the simple play . He made the "offensive triangle" work perfect. I was teaching that in Bantam ,let alone Midget and Junior. He followed it up with a real good shift and he is skating well.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:48 pm EST

Its the 4th time the Rangers have ended the first period with the lead....I think they have been tied after one 16 times or something....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:47 pm EST

Rhet - huh? What was that stat?

Limbo


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:44 pm EST

For only the fourth time this season, the NYR have the lead. That is hysterical.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:36 pm EST

Namestnikov is playing well also. Quick on the puck, good control....night and day from yesterday.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:34 pm EST

Pionk played all of 28 games last season. While not officially still a Rookie by NHL rules, for all intents and purposes, he still is one. Lot's to learn.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:33 pm EST

Hayes skating well so far.

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:29 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 3m3 minutes ago Jimmy Vesey is tied for the team lead in even strength goals (seven) and ranks second on #NYR in goals (eight) this season. In addition, 11 of his 12 points thus far this season. have either been a goal or the primary assist on a goal.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:28 pm EST

Nice play by the Hayes line leading to the goal. When Hayes is leading the rush, it always looks like his Wings have to slow up as to not pass him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:27 pm EST

Fast will not get enough credit for that play...first of all he was behind his own net and he busted his ass to get up and to be part of that play, and made a really nice little pass there, and placed it perfectly...that puck is placed a little further forward, or behind, a little too hard or too soft and that is not in the net...Copley(sp) got across in time was just not able to settle down. If Vesey had to reach for that or stop it for a moment he would have been in much better position...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:24 pm EST

Have a hard time calling the first penalty careless...Fast was working hard and the Caps players legs and his stick got tangled up....unless you think he shouldn't have had his stick along the boards where the puck was moving....but that would have been poor positions of the stick in that instance...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:22 pm EST

2nd careless penalty...

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:16 pm EST

Gettiinger is all legs...but he is heavy....he is a noticeably big guy...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:08 pm EST

Gut check time for the NYR today. They aren't taking anyone by surprise anymore and no one is taking them for granted. Today will be a real test.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:08 pm EST

... on the good side the rebuild looks ahead of schedule. The question is now an issue of sustainability. Where are they? Stay tuned...

E


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:06 pm EST

Panarin is a binaries game breaker but for me the fundamental question becomes: where are the New York Rangers at the end of the season? Right now they are approaching a position where the fundamental structures of the team are as such that adding an impact player makes sense. Right now, I question seriously if they are their record. They’ve been on the good side of fundamental hockey but teams like this and their inexperience are just as likely to see these razor wins on the loss column. Panarin will cost a fortune and he is truly a game breaking talent. But is he worth bringing in, cornering off a chunk of cap space. Have a team that is completely impossible to keep together and talents like Chytl two years from now are do max contracts for their own merits? If that were the case, I’d front load Panarin so his cap hit is palatable in a few years.

E


Sat Nov 24 2018 2:05 pm EST

andrei... A community can be as big as a state or a nation, depending on the context... Per Websters.... Definition of community... 1 : a unified body of individuals: such as.... 2 : a social state or condition... 3 : society at large

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 1:40 pm EST

Rhet0ric, there is no such a thing anymore as "Russian" Community. There used be back in 90th, but now it's cross the entire Tri-State. As far a Panerin, he grew up in Siberia. If you grew up in Siberia, you would want to live in a big city. Totally get that. His first KHL team was SKA, which plays in 2nd largest Russian city. So i'm sure he has no desire to spend rest of his NHL carrier playing for a small city, like Columbus.

andrei


Sat Nov 24 2018 1:21 pm EST

So a report comes out that Panarin is seeking between $10-11 Million annually and the number everyone focuses on is $11 million. First off, that's not what the report said, it said between $10-11 million. Second, it's his reported starting off point. When has a player ever gotten his jumping off point number? Ever? If you wanted $9-9.5 Mil, would you start off by asking for $9-9.5 Mil? No, you would not. You would ask for more. Furthermore, If you were Russian and wanted to live near a Russian community, Columbus is possibly the furthest away from a Russian community that you could get (NY, of course has a large one). Add to it that the NYR are about to have a wave of Russian players joining the team next season. This team would be very appealing to Artemi Panarin, but that's JMO. Also, a lot could change between now and next season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 1:14 pm EST

NEWFIE - At least Fogarty, Gettinger and ANdersson can be a working, banging line with a little skill..The Rangers need that after the debacle yesterday

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 1:09 pm EST

I'm glad Smitty is back in,don't know why he was out again, to tell the truth? Like DQ said the week, first time he sat out a guy for no good reason . DeAngelo was my choice to sit next anyway.Wonder if Gettinger has anything to add to this line-up?

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:30 pm EST

Word from he NYR via Twitter is that Zucc felt fine after game, still fine, but being a back to back they dont want to press it. SO he rests today.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:17 pm EST

Smith in for DeAngelo, Gettinger in for Zuccarello (groin), Georgiev in goal.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:31 am EST

My wife and I were in Philly yesterday afternoon for the game it was so silent it was embarrassing. Our Rangers did not capitalize at all

rangerlou


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:12 am EST

Is Gettinger playing today? If so I guess it means Fogarty come out. What dman is pressboxed for Smith?

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:11 am EST

Hospo...just bugs me. It's their right I know but I'm leery of a guy who walks away from a good team then seeks ridiculous $$. We'll see how it all plays out...

RF4l


Sat Nov 24 2018 11:06 am EST

I'm not saying I want PANARIN but the Rangers should styay in on any player they like unti they knowthe cost is prohibitive and not just agent/NHLPA greed and posturing

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 10:59 am EST

While Panarin has the right to seek $11m anyone who would pay him that would be nuts. Rangers should stay very far away.

Jake0104


Sat Nov 24 2018 10:14 am EST

Love to see Belesky up in NY..Littieri and Nieves are nothing but AHLers..good enough to play well in the AHL but zeros in the NHL....Hopefully,Andersson use his limited 4th line ice and practice time to do what CHYTL did and makes an opportunity for himslef either in more 4th line time or when there is an injury/trade in thev top 9

Hospo


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:37 am EST

Rhet0ric - The only place BELESKEY belongs is the waiver wire.

tdchi


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:36 am EST

Re: GETTINGER - I get why they're recalling him...and it's legit logic...but after watching Hartford last night, I don't think anyone on that club is really worthy of a promotion...its such a good roster and yet they struggle game in and game out...every single game is a nail bitter because there's no real consistency...with the D they have, they should be able to have a traffic cone in net and still pull out victories...and they basically have a top line of NHLers...yet we get come-from-behind skills competition victories like last night...I mean, I'm glad that they won and all...but the Hartford game was very similar to the Rangers game, in that no one came to play through the first two periods. And it was kind of a disappointment, IMO.

tdchi


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:26 am EST

Watched the Pack last night too. Good come-from-behind victory for them against Bridgeport...they went down two-zip off of two quick goals...brought it within one and then tied it in the final seconds of the game. LETTIERI has been lighting it the hell up since his demotion...clearly, he doesn't want to be down their. NIEVES has also been playing really well and quite frankly would probably be better suited for fourth line center than ANDERSSON.

tdchi


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:26 am EST

The Hartford Vinni Lettieri's beat the Bridgeport Sound Tigers last night 3-2 in OT. Lettieri had 2 goals and the winner in the shootout. Good to see Lettieri get his confidence back(3 goals in 3 games). Hartford is now at .500 for the season at 9-9-1-2.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:23 am EST

Well I guess iClod was the glue that held this team together...I guess they were due for a game like that...but what an awful showing...you're not going to ever win games when you don't show up for the first two periods. The Flyers came to play and the Rangers simply didn't...I mean, getting shutout by Calvin PICKARD?!? That, friends, is embarrassing. Saw flashes of giving a shit from VESEY...and ANDERSSON was clearly dialed up and dialed in...Kid snapped his twig in two when he didn't get the equalizer. Outside of that, the only player who showed up for all three periods was LUNDQVIST, who was simply amazing...Some minor points too for STROME, who tuned up KONECNEY...but really, that game was one giant suck-fest by the Rangers and against a truly inferior opponent. Can't really say much more about it than that.

tdchi


Sat Nov 24 2018 9:15 am EST

mf - I don't claim to know the market for HAYES, but if you want him on the team, then you sign him January 1. Because once you deal him, that team is going to make a significant push to sign him...and if they fail, then he's going to the open market, and they're competing against at least 29 other teams...so that's a nice thought...trade him and then sign him as a UFA...but in practice, something like that very rarely happens.

tdchi


Sat Nov 24 2018 8:45 am EST

Awful game yesterday by the entire team except HANK. He saved it from being even more of an embarrassment then it was. They couldn't complete a 5 foot pass to save their lives, nor could they handle the puck at all. They looked like they were playing short handed the entire game. The Flyers won just about every loose puck battle and were a step ahead of them the whole game. And at this point SKJEI is cursed. You couldn't ask for him to play that first goal any better, and yet it goes it off him. That seemed to kill his confidence again as he was just terrible after that. But so was everyone else so.... Lets see if they can respond this afternoon or not.

Vic


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:57 am EST

Sounds like TO is going full game of chicken. I didn't think he would be traded. Didn't Trouba try this and blinked first???

E


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:43 am EST

MF... Anyone not signed past this season was likely to be traded by the deadline anyway. Just because we had a win streak doesn't mean we're going to make the playoffs. We are currently not built right at all. Also, contending teams don't play as many kids (ie. rookies) as we are currently.... We're likely to pick in the middle of the draft , not get Nylander or Panarin. How do we improve quickly like the NYR statement said? I'm just not seeing it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:19 am EST

Rhet: It could be a blessing in disguise because it "may" force Gorton & the NYR brass to stick to the plan they started... PANARIN @ $11mill, I'll pass at those numbers...... Rip it down to the studs, meaning trade Zucc & Hayes at the deadline, and keep working the phones.....

mf


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:08 am EST

MF... Yup. It's looking like it's going to be very tough to improve this team quickly.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 24 2018 12:02 am EST

Rhet: Smells like they're going to sign him

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 11:56 pm EST

MF... If they wait until the last possible day (11/30), the cap hit will be a bit lower. That's how tight the cap situation is in TO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 11:24 pm EST

Well at the 1/4 mark of the season this guy WILLIAM CARRIER of VGK leads the league in HITS with 118.... Anyone familiar with his play? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10124

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 11:04 pm EST

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Mike Babcock remains optimistic that William Nylander will sign a new contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs before the Dec. 1 deadline passes that would rule him out for the entire NHL season. ..... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/babcock-confident-hopeful-nylander-signing-maple-leafs/

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 10:33 pm EST

95% of the time, teams leak contract information to make the player look greedy and make sure the fans feel more sympathetic to franchise. That way, if things were to go wrong(the player get's traded or not re-signed), they would look like the good guys to the fanbase.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:33 pm EST

RF4L - Dont understand the hatred for players wanting money..1) It's their job and they need to get every last cent they can get...2) If they get it, it's the owners faut..3) It's the AGENTs and the NHLPA that make all the demands..they are the ones that fuck up everything

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:30 pm EST

Greedbox Panarin 10 game goalless drought. Phuck u and your $11,000,000 demands.

RF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:22 pm EST

Newfie...Was a time Rangers wouldn't even talk to another team about Skjei...Feel bad about Zucc also as he has been a great Ranger....

PJ


Fri Nov 23 2018 8:39 pm EST

Smith will be in. Who's out? Should be Skjei....

RF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:50 pm EST

Hospo: more than likely its something simple. But you never know.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:32 pm EST

Could just be as simple as MZA is not ready and shouldnt have played (blame on Zuccand DQ)..and/or he reinjured..Either way he looked real off and not the "off" of earlier in the season where so many declared him washed up

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:22 pm EST

Rhet: I wonder if they call someone up after the game tonight. Because you’re right it is odd

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:17 pm EST

Wild.... The Pack is short two players(including only six D-men). Add to it that Hartford has a game tonight and tomorrow night. It's just king of odd that they haven't recalled or signed anyone to a PTO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:08 pm EST

BOB - Prancing pansies becasue ZUcc played? or because McLeod didntt?whatever the reason, the players took the game off and the coaches/leaders couldnt change it..Hopefully, will just be one of those games.........Recalling Gettinger, while earned, means either Fogarty sits or maybe a trade of somebody like ZUCC or, pretty please, Namestnikov ........And yeah, the continued decline of SKJEI is mystifying given how well he played befor last year..Dont think anybody, coach or fan, knows why..

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:01 pm EST

RHET: I wonder if it’s one of two things. 1- There is a trade a-brewin. 2- the “flu” is running around the team. (That could be part of the issue with some guys today) I guess also a 3rd option could be he wants to sit someone specific...

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:45 pm EST

I don't think Zucc is playing tomorrow. Something else could also be up.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:42 pm EST

Per the Rangers he was recalled

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:40 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forward Tim Gettinger from @WolfPackAHL. Gettinger, 20, has skated in 20 games with the Wolf Pack this season, registering seven goals and four assists for 11 points.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:32 pm EST

and actually, it breaks my heart to say it but Zucc is done. He brings nothing to the table, not even on the PP and definitely not full strength.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:28 pm EST

PJ …...I can't figure out for the life of me just what has happened to Skjei's game ? It's gone.....every thing I thought he was gonna be is not happening this year for some reason. He used to hit like a truck and rush the puck with the best of them ?

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:21 pm EST

Gettinger recalled?

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:14 pm EST

Hated the game as much as anyone but it was one game...Let's see how they respond tomorrow before melting down....Agree on moving Zucc....Would like Beleskey called up and Skjei could bring a nice return if moved....The guy has had issues for quite some time...Just can't get his game together and waiting to move him could be a mistake....I look forward to the Ranger response to this loss tomorrow....DQ should have them ready....

PJ


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:08 pm EST

Hated the game as m

PJ


Fri Nov 23 2018 5:41 pm EST

Zucc comes back and they turn into prancing pansies who were not interested in hard work or physical play.

Bob


Fri Nov 23 2018 5:08 pm EST

They took this team for granted and forgot to show up. They got caught looking at the standings.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:51 pm EST

stinker...... New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 13m13 minutes ago “At the end of the day, we got what we deserved.” - #NYR Coach Quinn

stevielegs


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:50 pm EST

i'm glad i didn't watch, just listened to some on the radio....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:45 pm EST

It is rather amusing that no McLeod and the team doesn't show up. I concur the King and Andersson were the only 2 who appeared to be in the game.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:37 pm EST

they lost because of no icloud....call up belesky....

stevielegs


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:22 pm EST

Props to Hank & Lias everyone else suck it

rangerlou


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:22 pm EST

DQ's priority (outside of ripping the team for the loss) has to be getting Skjei back on track.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:20 pm EST

Total embarrassment

rangerlou


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:12 pm EST

NEWFIE - As is almost every Ranger...Season-long, HAYES has been one of, if not THE best all around forward for the Rangers...NAd that's just not me..I hear from almost every annound]cer calling the Ranger games..but, you are right, it's still a long season

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:09 pm EST

??

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:08 pm EST

Now can we bring up Beleskey.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:07 pm EST

Hospo…..actually, I'm pretty confident that my over all assessment of Hayes is gonna prove to be correct. Give it time. He is pretty easy to pick on when you watch him closely.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:06 pm EST

What an effort by the Rangers playing against a team that went 0 -3-1 in their last four; against a goalie with a 4.13 GAA /.858 save %...a total disgrace at every level, by every player & the coaching staff for not being able to make any meaningful adjustments in 3 periods.

RF73


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:02 pm EST

NEWFIE - That's cherry picking and unfair abut HAYES..Bad game, yes, but not a single player out there was worth more than a quarter except The King, who everybody wants traded

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:01 pm EST

RF4L - It doent work that way..Not with goalies and other players..it's not the smae thing..One guy playing bad, no, you dnt show them up..The entire team? Yous sure as hell do..Job of a goalie sometimes

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:00 pm EST

I don’t mind if the team loses I hate when they give a shit effort. The whole team sucked. The king was the only thing worth watching. He gave them a chance great play king. The rest should be ashamed. Horrible power play. That’s a smart move put Zucc and Hayes our at the same time on PP. neither wants to shoot. Just a mess today.

Kis


Fri Nov 23 2018 4:00 pm EST

Well I guess we had to lay an egg sooner or later. Remind me again just how much we are going to pay Hayes for seven years ? Time for Zucc to go folks and no one is gonna like this one but I am really not impressed with Andersson. Nothing to get excited about there for me.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:59 pm EST

Outside of Andersson and Hank,(excluding that last goal) not much else positive to talk about ...Hospo... Why hope so? GEO was dominating the other day.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:59 pm EST

RF4L _ I have no Problem with him Haveing a "hissy fit" when the team plays like that..They are professionals, they need to play like them instead of taking the day off..The King and Quinn are the leadrrs of the team, they need to let the other guys know, and not nicely

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:59 pm EST

Hospo: Nothing wrong with being upset when his mates played like this but keep it in the room. Otherwise, be prepared to accept similar reactions from his mates when he lets in a crappy goal - which we know he'd never accept. I am a King fan - I just don't like the on-ice hissy-fits especially given his buy-in with this rebuild.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:58 pm EST

Turkey tank

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:56 pm EST

Not blaming Lundvqist. Just wondering if he'll pull a hissy-fit at the game's end. He shouldn't. He signed on publicly for this. The team in front of him wasn't engaged at all. If they play similarly tomorrow, the score will be more lopsided.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:56 pm EST

RHET - I hope so..

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:55 pm EST

RF4L - Actually he should, he playes his ass off when the rest of team pranced.

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:55 pm EST

Sorry...if Georgiev was in net it would have been 7 or 8 nothing after 2.....Hank was absolutely amazing in the 2nd.....

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:54 pm EST

I guess Hank is playing tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:53 pm EST

Hospo: Maybe and yeah the entire team sucked and this is a very well deserved loss that's now bordering on a thumping. Wonder if the King will smash his stick over the net when the buzzer goes!

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:52 pm EST

Geo! Geo! Geo! Geo!

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:51 pm EST

RF4L - I think yo uar picking and choosing there..I know kreider is incnsistent but does come u physival often..And didnt fnd the game all that physical, at least for mthe standpoint of 18 Rangers....Just call it the Mcleod Factor..:)

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:51 pm EST

MZA needs to pull his groin again. Playing like AV is coaching.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:51 pm EST

Nice "defense" there by Hayes on the empty net. Take him out.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:51 pm EST

What was Zucc doing there? He basically gave it away...a blind man could have seen that he was going to try that pass....

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:50 pm EST

I think Zucc needs to eventually be traded and will be (like the SHitty Lundqvist)..but it is his first game back...The rest of the team has sucked too

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:49 pm EST

Hospo: True but the game has been physical. Strange how Kreider's invisibility acts seem to happen in games like these.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:48 pm EST

RF4L - Is anybody?

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:47 pm EST

Zuc needs to go.. To me, he brings nothing to the table that team needs right now. Again, one of the worst players on the team. Lets the loosing streak begin.

andrei


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:47 pm EST

Zucc should have stayed on IR. He's brought nothing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:47 pm EST

The post sucks..but little margin of error when you ony play about 5-7 out of 55 (so far)..

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:47 pm EST

Is Kreider playing today?

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:46 pm EST

not just SKjei..poor backchecking by forwards...

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:45 pm EST

Typical NYR. Hit the post, the opposition scores.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:45 pm EST

Skjei misses hit, his fault

Puckyou


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:45 pm EST

Lose for Hughes!

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:44 pm EST

Good night Irene

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:44 pm EST

Like clockwork. Awful

Shaggy


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:43 pm EST

Skjei still not confident

Puckyou


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:42 pm EST

Lias can break the stick...he should also turn his jersey inside out...something.. anything! Score already!!! Jeez..

Shaggy


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:41 pm EST

Guess we won't be calling Andersson Handersson anytime soon!

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:40 pm EST

WTF was Hayes doing there? And that's after a horrid pass up the middle by soon to be press=boxed DeA.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:33 pm EST

Lias skates wide and low. He really reminds me a lot of Owen Nolan.

E


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:31 pm EST

Anderson protects the puck like a player much larger than he is....he has a really solid base....

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:25 pm EST

DQ knows his team better than me but Namestnikov-Hayes-Zucc seems like a real weir line..

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:25 pm EST

Dead silence in here

rangerlou


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:23 pm EST

The Rangers can still come away with two points in this one

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:18 pm EST

Hospo: At the end of the first and to start the second Zucc was moved up....Nam and Vesey were bumped down....not sure if it held through the second, but the 5 min in the box for Strome messed up the combos with a rotation going on so it was hard to tell at times.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:16 pm EST

Came out flat and now they’re just chasing. They just aren’t clicking. But this team is starting to have a penchant for late goals. So, I am not worried. And it might well just be one of these snoozers where they never get going. Lundqvist is making it look competitive. Should be 4-0 Flyers right now. DQ prepares the puke buckets.

E


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:14 pm EST

I could see MAYBEstarting ZUCC on the 4th but he belongs with ZBAD and eithe FAST or STROME or, epecially, Namesntnikov needs to slide down to the 4th

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:12 pm EST

Yeah, Bad uninvolved gamee all around (with a fe exceptions)..maybethis was a litlmus test for McLeod's worth? Just kidding, team totally unpreppared and unwilling...--SO FAR---But, there's20 minutes left and it is onky 1-0

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:12 pm EST

How appropriate that it's Thanks Giving...…….thank you Hank, so far. And ,I could be in the other net today against the boys. And WHAT is DQ doing with the lines today, I think that may even be the problem. Strome went off and all hell broke lose with the combos.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:02 pm EST

DeA should have passed it over vs shooting right into the AHL goalie's chest. Dumb.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:01 pm EST

Someone could get in front of the net.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 3:00 pm EST

it looks like the NYR got caught looking at the standings and decided they didn't have to work so hard.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:58 pm EST

Rangers look like shit.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:57 pm EST

Looks like the rangers ate too much turkey yesterday. Playing with no purpose or intensity. Zucc does t help this team anymore. Need to move him while they can get something for him and fogarty doesn’t belong on this team

Kis


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:50 pm EST

WOW, the NYR looked good on that PK.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:48 pm EST

That was 100% stick on stick....what a terrible call...

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:44 pm EST

Props to Strome for stepping up.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:43 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed. I'm now waiting for Gudas to goon someone.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:43 pm EST

Rangers aren't playing well overall tho from the little I've seen (working and watching).

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:41 pm EST

We really should have brought up Beleskey for this game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:41 pm EST

Nasty game. Too bad McLeod is out.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:29 pm EST

well...guess they couldn't ignore that one....

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:28 pm EST

Are there Refs for this game? I mean both teams are doing things that in 99.9999% of games put you in the box....IMHO it takes skill out of the game....refs need to show up eventually...

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:23 pm EST

Odd line... per Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Namestnikov on now with Howden and Strome

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:21 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Zuccarello starts the period with Zibanejad and Fast, Vesey finished the first period on that line. Wonder if something is up with Namestnikov #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:18 pm EST

Lou.... Be safe. You're behind enemy lines.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:09 pm EST

Rangerlou here my wallster friends... My wife and I are in Philly for the Rangers game

rangerlou


Fri Nov 23 2018 2:07 pm EST

Wow, the gave that Chris Kreider story all of 2 seconds. Way to go in depth NBC. I know, I know, it's the NYR, it's about all you can stand.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:55 pm EST

Well, Hank actually knocked it in off Skjei, so...he... gets... the ....assist?

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:53 pm EST

Skjei's first goal of the season!!!

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:48 pm EST

What a craptastic bounce....Skjei was doing what he was supposed to there, if that puck didn't go off him he would have effectively boxed out the flyer who would have been looking for the rebound....what are the odds...I mean really...

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:48 pm EST

Brady Skjei was boxing out his man like he should be and the puck goes in off him. He cannot catch a break.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:46 pm EST

mf: Thats what I always say....if the players really wants to remain with the team, and is an adult about it....they will understand why a trade is made if they are a UFA. If they go and get a Now and Later player it might signal that they dont want you back, but if they trade for futures and tell you they would love to visit once UFA season starts, if you really want to be part of that team, why would you let it stop you from going back?

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:35 pm EST

TD: re your post from earlier on HAYES (Fri Nov 23 2018 7:25 am EST) Would it not be better to trade HAYES at the Deadline, get some compensation from him, and then negotiate with him after the season? IF the NYR's "really want him back," I'd trade him to any team that probably can't or won't offer him a deal in the off-season in the amount that he's seeking. I also would try not trade him to say Boston, where he might want to sign there & play for his home-team, unless the deal was too good to pass up.... With this approach he may cost us a little more in the long run, but I think continuing to restock the farm is worth the chance......

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:24 pm EST

Those Flyers jerseys..No Bueno

DOUBLEN


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:20 pm EST

Not a litmus test on Mcleod at all..just one game agasint a team that has pranced and sucked all year...Do they finally show some balls(the Flyers) and make the game somewhat interesting? nice to be saying that about the other team!!

Hospo


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:20 pm EST

RF4L - LOL, re: SPOONER. Man...the guy reminds me a bit of DAIGLE...all that talent and nothing to do with it...PJ - I don’t disagree, re: STROME’S speed. It’s clear his skating isn’t that great...but by virtue of not being a perimeter player, he’s already better than Spoons, who was just about useless anywhere except the PP.

tdchi


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:19 pm EST

Like Zuc will be on the fourth line for more than one shift or maybe DQ changes it before the puck drops ...WILD.... You are thinking along the lines that a prospect coming back would make the NHL squad.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:19 pm EST

PJ: Maybe not just yet but for the cost of Spooner, STROME is well worth a tryout.. I've got my fingers crossed that he is going to be a great depth signing.. At this stage he might not be a "top 9" however I think its fair to call him a bottom 6.... The guy plays W/C, RHS, is defensively responsible, and is not afraid to battle........ So far DQ is getting relatively good grades from the Wall, I expect STROME to do well under his leadership.... "Patience"

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:16 pm EST

Well, I guess we’ll get to see what ANDERSSON does with a talented winger who can distribute the puck. Good litmus test for what McLEOD, in fact, brings.

tdchi


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:10 pm EST

Rangers recent record with UFA’s is now bad. Hayes, Vesey, Pionk, Georgiev.

Bob


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:09 pm EST

I am also not seeing the same Strome that most here are seeing...He is slow and while more aggressive than Spooner he doesn't look like he belongs in the top 9 to me....

PJ


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:08 pm EST

Zuccarello skating with Fogarty, Andersson in pre-game line rushes...Smith remains out on D...#NYR per @NYP_Brooksie

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 1:04 pm EST

Rhet: But if they were trading a D they wouldn't reduce the number of D on the pack....maybe Day is getting called back up?

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 12:58 pm EST

Maybe the NYR are trading one of their 8 Defensemen for a prospect ....MF... You're money is a bit out of whack for Nylander. All the reports are that he will sign for just under $7 mil, maybe as a bridge deal.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 12:51 pm EST

Rhet: ck this out NYLANDER (guesstimation) https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/922901

mf


Fri Nov 23 2018 12:44 pm EST

Ricky Milliner ‏ @Milliner06 16s16 seconds ago #HWP TRANSACTION: Defenseman Vince Pedrie has been assigned from Hartford to the Maine Mariners of the ECHL. The move puts Hartford at exactly 6 defenseman. Could other moves be coming up? We’ll see.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 23 2018 12:38 pm EST

Justin Bourne ‏ Verified account @jtbourne .... Don’t know a ton on Nylander, but do know that if he wants to go long-term, number has to come in under 7 per. If I’m Bill, bridge is hyper-appealing. Run up numbers alongside AM and make a team buy more UFA years after showing you’re better than 60 pts/yr. That’ll get you PAID.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 10:54 am EST

I thought the same thing rhet0ric, trading American players on Thanksgiving. I figured it was done on purpose.

Richter35


Fri Nov 23 2018 10:51 am EST

Marc Savard ‏ Verified account @MSavvy91 .... I’m hearing that 6.9 mill a year gets @wmnylander in a @MapleLeafs uniform before December 1st deadline !! My insider will remain anonymous!! Goodnight Ladies & Gents... But I believe they are still having trouble with Term of the deal!!

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:44 am EST

Last night here in London the04/05 Knights were honoured as the CHL's team of the Century (it's the 100th anniversary of the Memorial Cup, top prize in JR hockey up here)..2 members of that team later played for the Rangers.. Brandon Prust and Dan Girardi ..

sjw


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:17 am EST

TDICHI: All great points on HAYES... he has really been a great acquisition via UFA that is rare for the NYR organizatoin... with that stated, while I have no idea how much he really likes NYC and his teammates.. one thing I do know, going back to his days with Chicago.. he is a TOUGH when it comes to contract $$$$$$$$ negotiations... so I really like your STEPAN comparison!!!

schneidw


Fri Nov 23 2018 9:07 am EST

In regard to Josh Ho-Sang : I don't know what the NYI think they're going to get for the kid. Of course I'm not sure why an organization that is notoriously bad at developing kids would draft a guy that at best was a long term project. He also should have NEVER been taken in the first round.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 23 2018 8:50 am EST

TD: That was an excellent, well thought out post regarding HAYES and his current situation with the team.

Vic


Fri Nov 23 2018 8:17 am EST

Spooner update: 3 games, 0 points and a -5. He got only 12 minutes of icetime last game, the first under Hitchcock.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:59 am EST

And your thoughts on Hayes mirrors mine albeit I posted my thoughts from a Gorton viewpoint. I do think this: If Hayes wants long term big bucks, he'll be traded by the deadline.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:56 am EST

TD: Hop-Sing's ego under the cap...LOLOLOL.

rF4l


Fri Nov 23 2018 7:25 am EST

With HAYES, it's almost a moot point at this juncture for THREE main reasons: 1. We don't know what he was/is/will asking/ask for in a multi-year contract or why the Rangers figured it'd be better not to give him one. Was it that he was asking for $7 million plus or a more reasonable figure with an ironclad NTC? Or did the Rangers see what they have in HOWDEN, CHYTIL and ANDERSSON and figure that they needed more time before deciding whether to keep Hayes? 2. HAYES' body of work is simply incomplete at this point. Does it look like he's taken a step forward? I would say yes. Statistically, he's on-pace to break his point total record. At this pace, he'll finish with 19 or 20 goals and 50-plus points. Is that WORTH a big contract? Can we envision giving him STEPAN'S contract? Even such a deal could be pretty easily moved before July 1 when all the clauses kick in depending on where the organization is at. And finally, 3. There's positively no telling where will the team be on Jan. 1. No one here or anywhere from what I can tell predicted the Rangers would be anything more than a bubble team this year. And now suddenly, with a quarter of the season down, they are making a strong case for playoff contention. That's based on how LUNDQVIST is playing, how the defense has gone from a joke to formidable, and the quicker-than-expected development of key rookies like HOWDEN, CHYTIL and PIONK. You can't look at the team where it is right now and not see that HAYES is a MAJOR part of that equation. So what would the Rangers sans Hayes look like? Will the MSG brass have the stomach to part with him if with two thirds of the season in the books, they're still in playoff contention? My take? Offer Hayes $6.25 million over seven years, with a NTC for the first four and a modified NMC for the last three. It's a deal that would be very similar to Jordan STAAL'S last contract...and statistically, they're very similar players...then see what he does with the team from that point on. If he tanks out or glides through the rest of the season? Boom. Trade him. TBH, they'd probably get just as much if not more for him under contract...if Hayes gets moved as a pending UFA, the team he's going to has no assurance that he won't test free agency and look for the ridiculous contract some feel he will be seeking...Truth is, Hayes WANTS to be in New York. He's got his buddies on the team...the Massachusetts contingent...he's SAID he wants to be in New York in no uncertain terms...I don't see a problem with giving him a path to stay here. It's clear he's trying, IMO. But without all these other factors coming into focus, it's really hard to tell if he's worth it at this point.

tdchi


Fri Nov 23 2018 6:10 am EST

HO SANG? You mean former future legend-in-the-making hall-of-famer Ho Sang? Is he on the market or is his ego? I'm not sure many teams can fit the latter under the cap...

tdchi


Fri Nov 23 2018 12:18 am EST

There is a rumor going around that the Leafs will sign William Nylander by December 1st. The rumor states that the deal will be for $7 mil per over 7 years. Because it will be prorated, his cap hit will be $6.7-6.8 instead of $7 mil if they signed him to the deal at the beginning of the season. If true, that could be huge for a team like TO who will be looking to squeeze every penny.. It does sound plausible but it could also just be some wishful thinking by Leaf fans... There is also a rumor going around that Josh Ho-Sang could be available.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 10:23 pm EST

I didn't want McCleod in the lineup but must say he settled in well in the last couple of weeks...Beleskey a better player and looks like he is doing ok with the Pack...Had a good preseason also....I would hold on to Hayes for now...In my opinion is better right now than he has ever been...Chytil is fine on the wing and Andersson has yet to prove anything....Not saying he won't but will take time....Agree on Chiasson...Very steady back there and makes Shattenkirk better...Shatt had a real good game last night....Move Zucc as soon as you can but don't be surprised at the return...A first round pick or even more?...No f'ing way....

PJ


Thu Nov 22 2018 8:16 pm EST

RF: the thin air and 2nd hand smoke may be getting to him.. .. poor fella

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 8:03 pm EST

New York Post Sports ‏ Verified account @nypostsports .... Mats Zuccarello came back too soon but now looks ready to go.... https://nypost.com/2018/11/22/mats-zuccarello-hoping-hes-set-to-go-after-coming-back-too-soon/

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 7:45 pm EST

Mf...wild does. He's grinding out a Staal for McDavid deal. Straight yp!

RF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 7:32 pm EST

I’m eye testing Hayes. I do know that he historically has been victimized by shot suppression. In other words, he can’t hit the side of the net. I do believe his shot numbers are up but avg shots per game is a deceitful stat at this point in the season. That isn’t to say that he’s becoming a goal scorer but his shots are up. And for as much as I have maligned him for not being dynamic enough I had similar complaints about Stepan. And so maybe I am just to hard on pass first pivots. Out here I’ve done the same with Joe Thornton. But what do I know? He’s on his way to the HOF and me? Hayes tries to mirror Thornton. Only Thornton has vision worth 1-million on loan from the bank of TGO. Hayes only has enough to buy $100.00

E


Thu Nov 22 2018 7:23 pm EST

Back to reality, who's got the TRADERATOR ?

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 7:15 pm EST

What did you expect them to trade Trinkets? An Indian? A Pilgrim, Manhattan Island? $24 dollars?

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 6:29 pm EST

Anyone find it odd that two Canadian teams traded an American on American Thanksgiving Day? It just doesn't seem right to me. Happy Thanksgiving Chris Wideman(and to the rest of the wallsters celebrating today)!

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 6:14 pm EST

Vincent Trocheck injury update: Panthers F has surgery on broken ankle, out indefinitely... http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nhl/news/vincent-trocheck-panthers-injury-update-ankle-surgery-out-indefinitely/d16faipcbc3v1u3x998civtzu

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 6:00 pm EST

VIC... You could very well be right about Chytil, but he seems driven to improve himself as a player and eats up everything DQ teaches him. I'm optimistic the kid has a bigger ceiling then what we've seen(even after he cools off his current pace) ...E.... I literally saw Hayes think "pass" during the OT Shoot out. I don't think it's going away anytime soon :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:56 pm EST

Marc Staal Cap Hit after next season (2020) https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/marc-staal/2020-06-15

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:54 pm EST

Marc Staal's Buyout IF after this season (Not too bad actually, but I have been thinking we buy him out after next season) https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/marc-staal/2019-06-15

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:48 pm EST

TRADELINGS: "IF" Hayes would sign for say, $6.5mill on a 6 year term," wouldn't it be better to trade him before the deadline, get a nice return, and then go after him in the UFA market even if it costs an additional $250K-$500K per year each of the years he's signed?

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:47 pm EST

Sens communications ‏ @Media_Sens .... TRADE ALERT: The #Sens have acquired a sixth-round draft pick in 2020 from the Edmonton Oilers (previously acquired from St. Louis) in exchange for defenceman Chris Wideman:

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:45 pm EST

Hayes is on pace for 20 more shots than last year yes...but he had 25 goals....he is on pace for 17 this year....

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:44 pm EST

E: Huh? Burying goals? Hayes has 5 goals - on pace for less than 20.

RF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:34 pm EST

RF4L: I'm pretty certain if we resign Nash and then trade him at the deadline we'd be able to get Spooner back.... :)

Ranger47


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:24 pm EST

RHET: once upon a time I might be inclined to agree with you re: HAYES. Nowadays, Hayes is burying pucks. Not to suggest that he isn’t a pass first guy by default but he is shooting pucks now.

E


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:21 pm EST

I/O slow, perhaps I should have said "Derek Stepan Fast".... ALSO per Sportsnet Stats ‏ Verified account @SNstats .... Most Points From Team Defencemen This Season: ....#Sens - 60.... #Preds - 60.... #Lightning - 54.... #Leafs - 52.... #MNWild - 52.... #ALLCAPS - 52.... **IMO, the NYR really should be on this list, but they currently only have 49 points. I'm sure they'll move up as we go deeper into the season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 5:17 pm EST

RHET: All good points but as I've said before I'm not so certain that CHEETOS' future in the NHL is at Center. His best spot/role may be as a sniper on the wing. Possibly even a JAGR type if you know what I mean.

Vic


Thu Nov 22 2018 4:42 pm EST

I like Kevin Hayes but IMO it makes little sense to sign him to a more expensive deal just so we can trade Z-Bad. Hayes is slow, soft and has a mental block when it comes to shooting. Add to it that we need to open a center spot for Chytil. Z-Bad is also far from perfect, but he's really picked it up this season. He's even third on the team in hits. Add to it that he's on a very team friendly deal for the next three seasons (beyond this one). Save the money we'd spend on Hayes and use it to sign a scoring forward and to lock up Pionk among others(trade?) Save Z-Bad for a deal where we can get a legit #1 center back in return ...TD.... I mentioned the Nash rumor(s) the other day. He's one hit from being done. I wouldn't touch him with a 10' pole, but the fanbase in Columbus seem very stoked about it.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 4:27 pm EST

TD: The Rangers should sign Nash after Christmas and then trade him for a first and a prospect at the deadline!

rF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 3:35 pm EST

BTW - There was a rumor circulating recently that Rick NASH is(predictably) thinking about rejoining the NHL. He hasn't retired...and there's a rumor going around that he may want to skate on Columbus for a cup run...I said a while back that he's going to wait for the playoff picture to shake out and then find a team to join that has the best chance of making it to the finish line...don't be surprised if rumors start circulating about him making a return to Broadway if the team continues to put up wins.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 3:26 pm EST

Meant to post this earlier with the mention of Dominic MOORE...but that was always a trade that stuck in my craw...He was the type of player who quietly did his thing, game in and game out...never superstar level...but a guy who is just essential to the bottom lines...there was a reason teams kept giving up second rounders for him...and it was because he was a very good add for a playoff run...I never liked Adam HALL...thought...rightfully so...that he was way overrated...I was thrilled for him to come back to NYC for that three years and always thought his signing here was sort of an acknowledgement that trading him was a bad move...especially for a team lacking in the character department.I was a bit sorry that we didn't resign him in 2016-2017...and even at his age, he probably would have been a better bet than a guy like DESHARNAIS...Ultimately, I wish he had retired in Ranger Blue. Definitely an unsung hero of all those years the Rangers played so well. A guy who came and did his job every day without fan fare.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 3:14 pm EST

BELSEKEY?! I'll give him this: He's an upgrade over McLEOD. Not by much...but an upgrade. But who are the Rangers benching to get him in the lineup? ZUCC back either tomorrow or later this week...BUCHENVICH is going to be back in probably two...The ONLY sense I can see in promoting Beleskey is to see if he can score a few goals...rack up a few points...string together a few good performances...and then get moved for a pick or prospect before the deadline.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 3:03 pm EST

Vic: Smith could go as well. IMHO Staal is "That guy" on D who should be retained....he is a vet, one who has gone deep multiple times...understands the difficulties playing in NYC...I would move all the other vets before him (Smith, Shatty, McQuaid) in order to keep that leader back there....not forever of course, but at least through next season.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 3:00 pm EST

I wonder what Gorton makes of this unexpected remarkable success of late. Of course, we need to understand what his plan was before the run began, especially from a now to the deadline perspective, which we don't. All we can do is speculate. MZA is surely a goner and so likely is Adam McQuaid but after that, who? I find it hard to believe he'll keep Hayes past the deadline without a new deal for him in place so he's surely a goner too if negotiations aren't successful. On that note, just how much is Gorton prepared to pay him? What is Gorton thinking when it comes to having both Hayes and Z signed for the next few years? Does he believe as some of us do that it'll be a re-hashing of what brought the team a nice long competitive stretch but no cup? If so, this stretch won't cause him to deviate from his objective. If not, well...

rF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:34 pm EST

Also, I just wanted to say that one of the most pleasant surprises for me this year so far has been the play of CLAESSON. He has really been very good. He turns 26 on Saturday. I know he wasn't thought of as a long term option with so many kids in the system but he has been by far the team's best Left D so far. He seems to do everything well and nothing poorly. I would be interested in seeing him resigned if they can do so for a reasonable contract. Even if the kids pass him by he would still be a good guy to have in the lineup as a 3rd pair guy. Resigning CLAESSON is probably unlikely though unless the Rangers buy out STAAL or he agrees to a trade. But I would definitely rather have CLAESSON in the lineup then STAAL.....

Vic


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:28 pm EST

Happy Thanksgiving to all of my fellow Americans and a Happy belated Thanksgiving to all of our Canadian Wallsters!

Vic


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:24 pm EST

CPALegs: yes it is, however the Cap has increased since then, and perhaps a more favorable (to the team that is) configuration of NTC/NMC clause ie: we can trade him at any time to a 10 team list of destinations..... Keep your pencil sharp Legs, you're gonna need it.

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:20 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph DQ on the chat with the ref about no instigator penalty to Ross Johnston on the fight with McLeod: "He didn’t think there was enough there to warrant an instigation. I said, ‘Well, how about a cross-check, or a roughing, if you don’t want him to sit for 17 minutes?’"

stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:20 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 55m55 minutes ago DQ said McLeod brought an energy and toughness to the team. Long term, though, he doesn't feel the need to call up a similar player, necessarily, to fill his roster spot. They could call up a different type player and the team would just be different.

stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:18 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 59m59 minutes ago Quinn said Lundqvist starts tomorrow in Philly. They hope Zuccarello can play, and Zuccarello said he felt pretty good after a full practice. If not, 7 D or call-up possible. #NYR

stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:16 pm EST

WILD - It's a moving target and landscape...Hayeswill get paid this off-season what good 2nd centers are getting paid moving forwards....Maybe less if he really, really wants to stay...Up to the Rangers to figure out who and what they can afford,,,not us nimrods...We'll see..I'd like him to be kept..but, strange as it may seem around here, i understand the opposing view point..

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:04 pm EST

Irving moofman that’s a stepan contract

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 2:03 pm EST

hey, salaries go up and with a 31st team in the league there is an additional $80 mill chasing players, it has an impact on salaries... Hayes is a 26 y/o 50-60 point producer, you stare at these contract amounts long enough and you can see patterns, (must have been teen-age waste=land :-)) Hayes will land a contract somewhere around $6.5mill per for 6 years.... I think he's worth it, I'm just not sure the Rangers go that route...

mf


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:51 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 14h "These guys have worked hard every day, they're great kids, they've got great attitudes and they're really good players." - #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:47 pm EST

HOSPO: He is getting what good second line C get paid...there are good first line C getting 6-7 mil per....Thats what he will be trying to get....you are focused on the draft pick return....well what if its OTTs 1st rounder? That will likely be a lottery pick...Hayes will NOT help them win the cup...he will just cost more cap hit than ZBad....ZBad will get you more because he is a better player who produces more points. Why would you want to pay Hayes more than ZBad, Trade Z and be left with a higher paid player who produces less?

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:43 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... DQ says @HLundqvist30 will play tomorrow. No announcement on who will play in goal Saturday. Lundqvist could do both, he said. McLeod is probably out, 4-6 weeks, similar to Buchnevich. No callup from @WolfPackAHL as of right now - the hope is @zuccarello36 will be able to play.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:42 pm EST

WILD - Cap and contracts are going up and up..HAYES will get paid what a Good 2nd line center gets paid..plain and simple...If they think the projected contract is too rich then they trade him..Neither he nor ZBAD will be the number 1 you Probably need for a Cup...But all HAYES will get you back is some draft MAYBES Iin draft picks, maybe a late first rounder by a miracle..ZBAD, though with a smaller cap hit for a few years, could get you so much more...But either deal signifies not really rtying to win (not the same as trying to lose) the next few years..Again, to me, these are hard decision and paths that GOrdo must decide on..

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:41 pm EST

#NYR McLeod out 4-6 weeks per @colinASteph.... No recall made for tomorrow’s games as Hope is Zucc can play.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:19 pm EST

QMJHL

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:18 pm EST

Interesting there...seems the USHL would be a step back....can players go from one CHL league to another (like QJMHL to the WHO?) I dont know enough about movement in Canadian Juniors to even begin to know...

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:16 pm EST

@THNRyanKennedy 21m21 minutes ago Trusted source tells me Oliver Wahlstrom (NYI) is looking for a move from Boston College, but does not want to go to the 'Q' (Cape Breton has his rights), hence USHL Tri-City's sudden interest

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:55 pm EST

Rhet...didnt realize he was still within the 30 days window....I image that would change the thinking....why not call him to sit in practice with Zucc back or to play 4th line minutes? Just send him back down after the next couple games or whatever.I dont think he would be grabbed however, and its not like the Rangers went looking for him anyway so there would be no real loss here. In fact I wouldn't be shocked if they put hi on waiver at some point just to give him chance to get picked up by another team or tried to shop him. He is half price due to BOS retaining 1.9 per....so some team may take a shot at him....stranger things have happened...but likely not going to go that way. He may be a throw in to balance cap hits....his 875K on the NHL cap might be what balances out the books (so to speak) to get a deal done. But in any case, I dont think the "risk" of losing him on waiver will worry the Brass all that much.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:52 pm EST

DOnt agree on Hayes at 6.5 per...if not more....and for 5-6 years. He sent a top line C, why pay him like one? He is a 50-60 point guy....the Rangers have been down that road before....he is worth more in trade, they can get a wing who really is worth 6.5 per and improve the team by trading him. Keeping him doesn't help any....it hurts with that contract....

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:51 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger.... Matt Beleskey cleared waivers on October 25th. Per NHL rules, he would not have to clear waivers again for 30 days. Therefore, he could be sent down by November 25th with no problem. Would it impact the NYR thinking? Maybe, maybe not.... ALSO: The NHL no longer has Re-Entry Waivers.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:44 pm EST

WILD - Honestly, yeah, I can see that as a possibility also...Up to the Mighty Quinn...On the Rangers for Real article--The one line that caught my eyes because the majority of twh Wall gives The king and his attitude hell was..."“The internal leadership is obviously strong, led by Lundqvist, and they’re following.”.....BTW, Keep HAYES...

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:43 pm EST

also on Belesky, he can come up no issue at all...down he needs waivers...but if someone claims him? Oh well...more cap space the rest of the way...he is a 875K hit when he is down.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:42 pm EST

Newfie: Honestly I dont think it will affect much on the Rangers end...other than maybe the pressure of expectations that the players will put on themselves. The vets know how to deal with that...but will the younger guys? Cant know until they face that. I think that what will change once everyone is more aware and thinking the Rangers are "real" will be the preparation form the other teams. Video coaches will start to have more film on DQ and the young players, they will game plan for it better, and it will be harder to win games for this group. I think we will see that happen here shortly....the games will get tighter than they already have been, there will be weaknesses exposed, and it will take some time to adjust, the other team will do the same again and on and on as the young guys learn...so I bet we see this streak end..and a little bit of a rough stretch, then a good stretch, than a rough one again...up and down all season...adjust and readjust...learn and apply...

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:35 pm EST

Hospo: This may sound odd at first...but perhaps you just slide Zucc into the 4th line....I mean, he was out, came back and went out again from the same injury...maybe taking it slow getting lower minutes for his first game back will help avoid another set back. Maybe a min or two extra for the line taking some ice from the others 5 on 5...he would still get PP time....if he does well physically than worry about adjusting the lines. If he is going to another line I would move Nam down....nothing abasing him, but as stated earlier that line doesn't really get much going, so change it up. However, I think to start just plug Zucc on not heat 4th line. Lets see what he and Anderson can do together....I mean the top lines have looked pretty good and the team is winning....why mess with it right off the bat?

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:35 pm EST

Hospo………..can Belesky just come up and go back down with no hassel …….just wondering ? I hope so, we may need him .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:33 pm EST

Funny thing ,that article showing up in the Post ,asking are we for real ? There is not mention of the Rangers up here in Canada, Zero, nothing …….it's all Leafs and the other Canadian teams ,all day, all the time . And I guess tha's probably a good thing. but, what happens if we keep this up and EVERYONE starts talking about us ? Does this affect the way DQ coaches, line-ups ,goaltending starts etc? It remains to be seen and should become very interesting.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:33 pm EST

Shestyorkin flashed the glove at Ivan Lekomtsev's one-timer too. #NYR.... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1065658131403993088 .... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1065658376997273600

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:31 pm EST

Sucks about McLeod...The obvious move is to insert MZA for McLeod and slide ????? (Fast? Namest? Strome?) down to a line with Fogarty and Andersson...I kniw that brings mre skill all around. it's not just about the skill and...just dont like it from a team perspective..Only guy they shuld comnsider bringing up is BELESKY

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:31 pm EST

Sucks about McLeod...The obvious move is to insert MZA for McLeod and slide ????? (Fast? Namest? Strome?) down to a line with Fogarty and Andersson...I kniw that brings mre skill all around. it's not just about the skill and...just dont like it from a team perspective..Only guy they shuld comnsider bringing up is BELESKY

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:21 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 23m23 minutes ago Zuccarello on the ice in a regular jersey here at Thanksgiving Day #NYR practice. Fractured hand for McLeod, timetable TBD. Maintenance days for Zibanejad, Namestnikov and Staal. 0 replies 2 retweets 4 likes

stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:20 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree on the line. IMHO Nam and ZBad are overly similar. They counteract each other. Fast can fit with just about anyone because he works tirelessly and is a defensive presence. I think Buch there (or Zucc) with ZBad and Fast would be a much better line (even Hayes on wing) because the style differences are more complimentary. ZBad has a really good shot, but he isn't really good at lugging the puck and getting to that shooting position on his own, he isn't a passer so to speak like Zucc or Hayes, so his line mates getting ope doesn't really make sense for him as a player more than the average player...Nam is quite the same, but with more puck control skills...his problem is that he and ZBad dont mesh at all on the ice. ZBad being able o move the puck in a give and go type play with w Buch or Zucc or Hayes type player would allow him to find the seems and soft spots, take the pass and fire it. Thats what he does best. He is very good about finding a spot that leaves him a good shooting lane and a position a pass can get to him....its just rare off the PP that someone threads that pass through to him. However, Zucc should be moved just based not what he is worth on the market and where the team is....by the time they are really a contender he will have lost more of his game due to age and "milage" and wont be a help really. So that leaves Buch, he does need to play better game in and out, and I think he really turned a corner before he got injured, so in a few weeks we will see if he continues that. IF he does, put him there, and maybe thats a signal to also trade Nam Maybe not during the season or even this year, but depending on how the Russian kid looks in camp and other kids develop among the forward ranks and where they get to pick int he draft.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:18 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/11/22/rangers-for-real-a-surprising-response-from-around-the-nhl/

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:14 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers Follow Follow @NYRangers More #NYR update: Cody McLeod - fractured hand. Staal, Mika, and Namestnikov - maintenance.

RDW


Thu Nov 22 2018 12:10 pm EST

With my last...Zucc should be moved. There just isn't room for him with the kids starting to step up....and to retain him after this season? He will be able to get a pretty good payday and a decent length contract...probably his last "real" contract....maybe his last one at all. I doubt even loving the Rangers that he would take a big payout and shorter deal. He is at 4.5 mil cap it and actual salary. He will likely be looking for at least a 1 mil raise...so 5.5 mil, and likely 5 years (brining him to 36 years old) Probably front loaded, like 20 mil or so coming in the first 3 years...anyway, 5.5 mil for 5 years...that will cost them down the road trying to retain the young guys they have now. He will be tradable I am sure still, but the return will not be as good as it would be now.....this team is still building. Now you could go a few route with both he and Hayes. Futures, a mix of futures and "now" return or a full now return. I would say go get the max output of futures possible. A "now" player can come form many teams...including those looking to blow it up and start over. You use futures to get those trades. They could trade Zucc for a 1st and a 2nd lets say...lets go further the 2nd is in 2018 and the 1st is in 2019....they could then at the deadline or the draft flip that 1st in 2019 in a package for a player who can help "now". Hayes the same type of thing. It never hurts to get good assets from where you can and then turn them into other things. Now if you can flip Hayes or Zucc with something else that isn't a major upset to the team for a young player who will help now and in the future, and you can skip the middle man, do it for sure. But dont be so laser focused on that that you miss out on a really good return of prospects and picks. The Rangers are not yet at a point where they are going for it....there are teams that are in that position now, the cup or bust window, and they will overpay in picks/prospects to go for it now. For instance, the Wild, and Jets...they want to make some noise for sure. The AVS, Denver is Broncos country first and foremost...but even amongst all the Broncos talk there are rumblings about the AVS...the sports community here wants to se something or they will tune out completely....Sakic is up against it as much as a NHL GM in Denver can be...they are built to try to make a run at the top end of the roster but they dont have the depth. Calgary has finally turned a corner and I am sure they want to go for it....and the Oilers I think are tired of the future and want to win and get the fans on their side...all those teams would likely overpay to get guys to help them now. I know a lot of AVS fans, and crazy enough they would rather not have any lottery picks, trade both first rounders to get held for this year ( and of course the next few years) so they can make a run at the cup. So...2 first rounders, and some other stuff for Zucc, Hayes, Smith and other stuff....the other stuff being prospects and picks shaping around based on whatever things the other teams need, valuing of players picks and the like....probably taking back a big contract they dont want anymore....or taking Orpiks buyout (2.5 mil this year 1.5 next) or whatever may be the case. Get the AVS first and OTTs first this year, basically give them 2/3 of a 2nd line with two guys who have been part of deep playoff runs...with a chance at singing both of them after the season and a D to help shore up their back end that really has been an issue for some time.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 11:43 am EST

or BUCH as the passer instead of ZUCC..although I am far convinced about BUCH's consitency in effort, dedication and production

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 11:41 am EST

E/TDCHI - The arguement on McLed can go on ad nauseumm..But just one thing...ALL of us have a player (oftent the same player)or two that we think is utterly worthless and cant understand why he is ever on the ice...yet...the coach..who knows the team and how it works/flows on and off the ice continully plays the guy and often it coincieds with better team erformance..Such is the case with Cody Mcleod..he will sit agaain many night when a healthy roster returns but obviosuly the team or, at the least, DQ needs him..even if we think otherwise..........As for ZUCC, yeah, I think h will and should be traded..but alos think he would be a perfect fit as the maain passer on a line with ZBAD---Namestnkov-ZBAD-FAST, espcially at ES< does little for me

Hospo


Thu Nov 22 2018 11:33 am EST

Luck is preparation meeting opportunity. McLeod was prepared to try and deflect the puck when the opportunity presented itself. That was not "luck" as people use the term in most cases..."luck" in that way would have been him tripping on a putt in the ice, trying to get up and having the puck hit his helmet and going in....there is little in the way of preparing for that opportunity....That was a hell of a play by him...if that wiz Zucc, or Kreider, or Hayes, or Fast it would be talked about as a goal from a skilled guy who went to the right place hand had greta hands on the play....McLeod went right where he should have gone as soon as he saw that a shot was a possibility....he went to the front, to get into e way and perhaps tip the puck....and if not at least give the goalie something to think about. It was a save play by a guy who has been around for a long time in the NHL. He is on this way and other places ripped for not having the skill to be as good as other players...someone (was it td?) brought up other players and mentioned how much they fight....as if thats why McLeod is in the lineup. Honestly, I am almost certain that he is around because the guys in the room like having him around, and with a young team they want his attitude and work ethic around as much as possible. Sure if they could find a player that brings all that AND is better skilled they would do it...and they likely could, but for more cap hit....and I dont think anyone expected them to be anyplace near the top of the division at any time this season, so why spend the money? Its not like you are going for the cup, the skill set for the guy really doesn't matter. Too much is put on his skillset....its irrelevant...even now I say that. This team isn't winning the cup, I doubt it makes it out of the first round if by some miracle they hold together as the season moves along and make the playoffs at all.

Wildcard


Thu Nov 22 2018 11:05 am EST

E - I think the REAL test of their mettle will be from tomorrow's afternoon game through the New Year...maybe it's anecdotal, but it seems to me that EVERY Rangers team...even the good ones...go on a pronounced slide starting late November and heading through the New Year...I don't know if it's the mayhem that is NYC during the holidays or if slides in the doldrums of late fall/early winter are just typical...or if I'm conflating several years into an enduring memory...either way...they're gonna start facing some tough opponents coming up...but I really like what I see so far...no quit...consistent effort...simple game...I give high marks to QUINN for it, but also knew this team wasn't nearly as bad as the prognosticators suggested...could they be the proverbial Vegas Knights? Tell you what: Anything is possible with LUNDQVIST in net. Anything.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 10:47 am EST

" troglodyte?" Wow, that's a tad harsh!!

kitchen1


Thu Nov 22 2018 10:40 am EST

E - Here's what confounds me about a guy like McLEOD...there are literally AHL teams littered with quick, talented guys who never panned out and are now waiting for an opportunity to skate on an NHL fourth line...I go on and on about guys like MATTEAU and RYCHEL...neither is gonna do much in the way of fighting...but they'll answer when the bell rings...Another guy I mention frequently is Brendan LEMIEUX...again...a guy who is...well...probably never going to be a top-flight player...bottom six...but having him on a fourth line instead of McLEOD? I would be all over it...Jets' JC LIPON is another. I mentione these guys usually once every other month, but clearly the Rangers don't see this type of player as a fit...or at least someone in the organization doesn't...someone very high up likes having at least one troglodyte in the lineup at all times...he has for many years...and I wouldn't be surprised in the least to hear that his one mandate for the Rangers is that they have someone like iClod, GLASS, SHELLEY, BRASHEAR, BOOGAARD, and...well...the list goes on.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 10:26 am EST

I always thought it was somewhat of a myth that MZA's leadership and feistiness is needed for the Rangers to win. They've done quite fine in his absence, meaning he's expendable and I think without a doubt he'll be traded on or before the deadline.

rF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:59 am EST

I’m beginning to think that Pionk is the second coming of Sergei Zubov. Unfortunately, Brady it’s not the second coming of Brian Leetch.

Puckyou


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:45 am EST

Onto last night: Man, I don't know why fans in upstate are subjected to the goddamn Islanders broadcast...I've listened to and griped about a lot of homers on other teams...Chico RESCH, that clown with Buffalo...but BOY does Butch GORING take the cake...every time a Ranger player got near an Islander it was a penalty in his eyes...and when BOYCHUK did everything but grab onto the Rangers' skater's legs to obstruct in the third, he called it "finishing a check." I get it. Cheer for your team...but some of that stuff is just flat-out obnoxious...which is what made the win OHHHHHH so much more sweeter...I had the significant and severe misfortune of catching the Islander-centric pre-game show...and man, were the Islanders cocky...all young punks basically saying "oh yeah, we love tuning these guys up"...I mean, talk about pissing on the Hockey God...CZIKAS, BAILEY, BARZAL, HICKEY and BEAUVILLIER were a bunch of smarmy F@CKS in the pre-game...just basically saying 'yeah we know we're going to win'...and it was positively wonderful watching them get the living piss knocked out of them...Poor Robin LEHNER. He wasn't stellar in net...but talk about a team giving their tender ZERO support...it was pretty sad...especially since the dude is really trying to get his career back on track after substance abuse and mental health issues....guess he picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...CHYTIL: I think the move to wing has been positively masterful for him...it allows him to simplify his game...and when you have hockey sense like he does, that equals goals...McLEOD - Great on the goal...but what the F@CK was he thinking dropping them with JOHNSTON? Nothing good can come of that when you're up 3-zip...and nothing good did come of it...The "KREIDER" - it was on prime display last night...I swear, the Rangers should have a set play where they spring him on the breakout and let him do the rest. He is so good powering up the boards that 1. Tenders are caught off-guard and almost always misjudge how fast he's coming in; and 2. They never think he'll be able to make that sharp cut in toward the net; and 3. They never think he's getting the shot off...wrong on all counts...GEORGIEV was very good...won't detract from his shutout at all...but...as with other Ranger backups, I couldn't help but to notice the Rangers really do simplify their game in front of him....I was ecstatic about the STROME deal. But seeing him on that line, I can't help but to wonder what the hell CHIARELLI was thinking...he's not an all-star and probably will never be one...but man, is he the perfect fit for VESEY and HOWDEN...just three very complementary players...I don't care if he doesn't score a point for the rest of the year...he's making that line a serious threat...just like the MILLER-GRABNER-HAYES line, which was one of the Rangers' best...re: ZUCC and to a lesser extent, BUCHNEVICH - Yeah, the Rangers are winning without them...no, you don't want to rock the boat...but c'mon guys...these are two of the most talented stick handlers we have...there's ALWAYS room in the lineup for their ilk...I did mention that before that I don't believe the Rangers will make a dead for futures...but goddamn if they don't seem primed to make a deal for an upgrade. It's always nice to have a full bench...but once they're healthy? It's gonna be crowded. I don't think anyone on the team has earned a demotion or a seat in the stands...at any rate, I will tuck into turkey with a smile today, having watched that gift of a game. Happy Thanksgiving ALL!!(even Cody McLeod).

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:44 am EST

TD: I think the big question facing the NYR is who are they? In past seasons they’ve shown the ability to run the board in October thru the all star.but in reality they were a team in decline going into March. I don’t think anyone should get lulled into a false sense that they are an emergent force yet. And therefore, they should be looking to change course. What they are is an organized team that’s playing well that probably isn’t that good. Similar to some of those Panther or Dallas teams that worked hard and make you respect that they come to play only to fade down the stretch and miss the playoffs by 2-6 points. I lean towards the belief that this is who they are and as teams begin to round themselves into playoff contention the New York Rangers will get exposed. So, I would remain focused on the plan. I would still trade MZA but I might consider trying to get Hayes under contract now. If not? Then, it’s sayanara sweetheart. I mean we forget, Buch is gonna get top-6 when he returns and Krav is gonna possibly be given every chance to stay in the New York Rangers roster when he arrives after the KHL dispatches his team.

E


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:32 am EST

HOSPO: I think for the first time we are beginning to see the makes of what our (while not all the way aligned) vision for a New York Rangers hockey team should be. My problem with McLeod is despite how he does so much other crap, he just sucks as a hockey player. There were guys out there that I thought were just better options. Guys who are hockey players. I want a 4th that bangs and grinds. But also has the ability to score more then once every 35-games. Fogarty and Lias are hockey players. They also seem to like to get to the body. I think they are hampered by the anchor of McLeod. The only reason that McLeod scored was the NYR were in the midst of line change. Holden went all the way across the ice and the Islanders were all looking up ice forgetting that McLeod was still there. By the time Pionk picked the puck and fired it in, McLeod was all alone with the goalie. An abysmal defensive mistake by the Isles. Not diminishing McLeod because I don’t believe in luck. Luck is manufactured. Luck is the other teams stupidity. But, I’m still itching for the NYR to find two other banging forwards who can play to put with Lias that are more closely matched to his skill set. I want that physicality. But I also want that threat. The NYI had it going for a time with their Clutterbuck-Cizikas-Martin group. They were big, fast, and damn did they wreck people. The other team was forced to change their shift schedule immediately to try to keep away from them. I think teams look forward to McLeod being out there. Ive seen teams immediately short shift and get their scoring lines out there when the NYR 4th comes on. They see opportunity against him. And when I see that, I see what the other teams coaches see. That is that they think they’ve got an opportunity for a good shift against him. That’s my only issue. But I want a 4th line that brings it. And right now, I’m liking Lias there. He brings a lot of pressure and a ton of puck pursuit when he is out there. What I haven’t see is enough of guys who can play that are paired with him. I haven’t see a 4th line yet really emerge sans Lias. Who despite some opinions I think is playing quite well in the role he’s been tasked with. But even he is in the ether. Not good enough to move up the middle slot where they are good. Not bad enough to send to Hartford. I would like to see if he RW because I think his best place right now would be playing in Strome’s slot. And since I am hoping that Howden and Lias are gonna be a thing for a long time to come. But the 4th has been spare parts. Need a better and more capable 4th.

E


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:13 am EST

re: TRADES - Sorry to burst the bubble, ladies and germs, but I simply don't see either HAYES or ZUCC getting moved unless/until this winning comes crashing down...If the Rangers have a wildcard in their sites come January, they're going to soldier forward with both...and neither is going to be exchanged for futures...If anything, they'll be traded for a piece that can help them win now and win in the future...I use NYLANDER as an example...but I think with the Rangers being as hot as they are, the stomach for Toronto to trade him to a potential conference rival will be greatly diminished...JMO...but if the Rangers keep winning, I don't think they're moving anyone at least until the deadline...and even then maybe.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 9:06 am EST

I just want to clarify something quickly...I know the McLEOD digs are largely jokes...but...I seriosly have nothing personal against the guy. My distaste for him is that I think the Rangers without him can be and are a better team...Now if McLEOD goes into the rest of the season and pots 10, 15, 30, 40 or however many goals and/or points, I will be absolutely tickled. I'd LOVE the guy to start racking up points. Glad he got his first and actually contributed to the offense...Sure, it was a fluke-ish goal that was largely reliant on luck...but good for him. I'm glad he scored. I'd be glad for anyone in a Ranger jersey scoring...save, for maybe VOYNOV in the very unlikely event he ended up in New York. Make no mistake, I was cheering just as hard for iClod's first marker as with any other Ranger...why? Because I like this damn team SOOOOOOOO much better when they're winning.

tdchi


Thu Nov 22 2018 8:22 am EST

Happy thanksgiving to our American wallsters!

rF4l


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:43 am EST

That knifing story from the Daily News has now been revised to be a beating (the guy was bloodied but they are still two very different things). No wonder why they're having trouble staying afloat.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:31 am EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... Here are the numbers of teams that qualified for Stanley Cup Playoffs, after being in a spot on US Thanksgiving: ....2013-14: 13 of 16 qualified.... 2014-15: 13 of 16 qualified.... 2015-16: 12 of 16 qualified.... 2016-17: 13 of 16 qualified.... 2017-18: 11 of 16 qualified....

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 22 2018 1:29 am EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... By the way, the 3 Hottest Teams in the NHL this season...none of them qualified for the Stanley Cup Playoffs last season.... NYR 8-1–1..... Detroit 8-2..... Buffalo 8-2..... Impressive improvement.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:57 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/video/postgame-coach-quinn-112118/t-277437422/c-63228903

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:51 pm EST

Islanders fan, angry after blowout loss, slashes Rangers rooter outside Madison Square Garden.... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-metro-crazed-islanders-fan-slashes-rangers-fan-madison-square-garged-20181121-story.html

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:29 pm EST

STEP - so many people focus on speed and talent for all 12 forward spots....Not me...Mcleod, even with his liabiliites, brings stuff the Rangers need every night..If he's injured. My preference would not be for a skilled kid but for a player with attitude, physcality, maybe even a little leadership...maybe a Belesky..maybe ????

Hospo


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:20 pm EST

Hospo, check your Yahoo account......... 4 Lines Deep, sign me up, fresh legs attacking the opposition, YUUUUPPPPPP

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:15 pm EST

Hospo: Agree on McLeod. Obvious he has meaning to this team. However, if out for extended time with Zucc coming back, i am curious as to how Quinn will adjust line-wise. We could potentially have a deep 4 line team shortly. With Strome and Andy able to play wing or center, the options are interesting to say the least.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:59 pm EST

Shame about Mcleod getting hurt..Yes, he isnt much of a hockey player but been working his ass of and his leadership and 4th line banging/playing has contributed to this fine run by the team that should be tanking.....JFC.."$6 mil for a 26 year old, 50 point guy? No thanks!" Have you seen the contract handed out the past few years? just normal business..Doesnt bother me at all...personally I want to keep Hayes (big mistake hitching to ZBAD asa #1 and I think Hayes makes a better all around #2)..and go nowhere near trading Kreider

Hospo


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:55 pm EST

Well, this article is from earlier today and The Blues lost 4-1 to Nashville....https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/tarasenko-on-the-trade-block

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:54 pm EST

Step... In regard to Skjei, me too.... but I get it, he was afraid to screw up. He'll be better the next game (I hope).... Wild... Zucc is close to coming back, would you really want to bring a rookie up for a game or two only be sent down? Also: We currently have Pionk, Hoden, Chytil, Andersson, Deangelo and Fogarty. Do we really want to add another rookie right now? Maybe later, but I'm not so sure about right at this moment. Especially when he would be basically playing with Andersson and Fogerty. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:47 pm EST

Legs: After we do that, we open up Dolan's check-book and take the Wallsters Shopping at the UFA Market......

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:37 pm EST

What an absolute coup getting Pionk from Speonk was. College free agent signing to our hands down best defenseman. I thought Shatt has his best game as a Ranger. He was very good. Brady starting to scare me. Wasn't what I thought he would be tonight. Was tentative. Trade Zucc ASAP !!! He is obviously not needed. Team looks well coached at this point.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:35 pm EST

Rhea: I was not only referring to Lettieri....they could kind of roll through a few kids, give them a taste, see who has the ability to play at the NHL level and who doesn't. If a kid from the AHL who is still young and developing shows they are not completely out of place at the NHL level and some are not, they can make moves, adding those prospects to trades to increase returns...that sort of thing...that way they have a better idea of who to keep and who to move on from before their value drops.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:35 pm EST

Stevie: we've got an opportunity to rebuild at a very good time.. We'll stock the cupboards with picks & prospects.. Get younger, faster and reinforce the center and RH Side of the Defense.... IMO this is the path to go, and maybe we don't wait until the Deadline to start making moves....

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:31 pm EST

WILD... That could happen but retained salary does not add to our cap, it's just that we'll save less against the cap if we do retain salary. We currently will have approx. $7.7 Mil by the trade deadline. That's plenty. Also, his contract doesn't matter unless he stays here for the rest of the season(it would not add much). Which if he does, it means it's because he's playing well. Which would be a good thing. Also, I think it's too soon to recall Lettieri, but you never know.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:20 pm EST

Last time the Isles had anything worth watching was back when they had Pat Lafontaine. Loved to watch that guy play. Was still great for his unfortunately short time as a Ranger.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:17 pm EST

Rhet: They may "want" to take on a bunch of cap hit....If lets say a team like the AVS wants Hayes, but cant afford that, so the Rangers can take a cap hit back in order to maximize return. Maybe a cheaper player goes and they take back an expensive one in order to get a 2nd rounder instead of a 3rd rounder or some such. SO every cap dollar available could help.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:16 pm EST

Wiosa yes that Christmas wrapping paper look was awful! LOL but so were a lot of early expansion era sweaters.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:13 pm EST

You expecting to take on a lot of payroll by the trade deadline? Beleskey would only add another $1.025 mil. That's if he stayed the whole year, but the cap is figured out on a daily basis.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:13 pm EST

Nyr tied in points with the 1st place team in the metropolitan

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:12 pm EST

Yessssss! I love to beat this team. Cant help it, just dislike the Isles immeasurably. Good Job Georgiev! Looking good guys...NY Stranger, agree on that yellow jersey. I still think the Devils original Red and Green Jersey was the worst though. HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all my fellow American Ranger fans.

Wiosa


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:09 pm EST

Big question is would the Rangers want to burn that much cap space for the days Belesky was called up for? They could give another kid a shot on wing for less cap hit....not sure how worried they are about it...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:06 pm EST

Irving moofman timerator I’ll take a trip to the finals over this other fantasy hockey.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:04 pm EST

Not to come up, no.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:03 pm EST

Does Beleskey need to clear waivers?

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:02 pm EST

CleoLegs: There are guys that must be moved by the Trade Deadline or we get, "un gots un gool" ...... Should we NOT kick the tires on NYLANDER a 2014 1st round #8 overall pick??? You want to win a cup, you need a NYLANDER......... Check out the Rangers on Cap Friendly lately? https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/rangers

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:02 pm EST

Man, the Penguins jersey in tonights game is one of the worst I have seen in a long time.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:01 pm EST

I'm going to guess the NYR call up Beleskey for Friday. Both the NYR and the Pack have a game Friday.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:59 pm EST

Yeah, stevie but I don't want what they did. I want what the Caps did.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:57 pm EST

Remember what viva Las Vegas did

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:55 pm EST

NYStranger: IMHO this team could continue this until the playoff type hockey starts...I think at that time we would see the young kids starting to com back down to earth. I think they could get a playoff spot, or be close to one, but not much more than that. Thats why I think Zucc and Hayes at least should be moved. They have a couple D that can be moved who will be FA of some sort (Claesson, and McQuaid) and perhaps Shatty or Smith as well. You have Namestnikov, maybe McLeod ( I know he wont garner much but he might get a later round pick) And who knows what other wings may be looked to be moved even thought they are not bad or vets (Buch, Vesey, Lettieri...lots can happen, and some of it absolutely should happen...the UFAs...any and all of them should be moved...there is no reason to hang onto any of them. Getting picks as many higher picks as possible, is nothing but good for the Rangers. Worst case scenario is that they have prospects (or picks if they are not acquired for this years draft) in order to trade for a more established player when they are ready to try to get to the next level if a different player is needed.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:54 pm EST

OMG, GEO in the pimp hat. It looks 10 sizes too big.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:54 pm EST

I will say there definitely looks to be real commitment, comaraderie, and accountability on the NYR again.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:50 pm EST

Cannot lose Geo to the expansion draft. Protect or trade. No other options.

rF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:49 pm EST

Andrei... "great take games"makes much more sense :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:46 pm EST

Nys this is what good coaching and real leadership can accomplish. They get to the next level that the mighty Quinney is looking for.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:45 pm EST

Great game, bro. That’s what Krider said.

andrei


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:45 pm EST

Trade... The closest I get on the translator is..."great take games"

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:43 pm EST

Stevie not to argumentative but do you believe this team is not playing over its head right now? I love what I see but can they really keep this up? I am now pretty sure a top 3-5 pick is off the table but moves to set up the (now near) future need to be considered and made IMHO.

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:42 pm EST

I want the Cup!

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:42 pm EST

Kreider speaks multiple languages but that looks like gibberish. I'm sure it was in Russian.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:41 pm EST

Rangers WIN !!!!!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving WALLSTERS

rangerlou


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:41 pm EST

White washing the fishsticks!! Bring on the damn turkey! This team is fun to watch.

DCIGolfer


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:40 pm EST

" The future is so bright, I gotta wear shades "

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:39 pm EST

Coming from a kid who first started watching in the 70s, but really got it in the 80s - F@CK the Isles! Great game boys!

Limbo


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:38 pm EST

otlichnyy brat igry

tradestar28


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:38 pm EST

This is what Kreider said to Georgiev after the game - ???????? ???? ????

tradestar28


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:37 pm EST

Just remember I predicted this winning streak.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:35 pm EST

Good for GEO. Well deserved, especially after being saddled with that lost against the Isles the last time.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:33 pm EST

DCI: His writer is not just more accurate...its a lot harder than I remember and his release seems quicker...he must have worked on that in the offseason or something....learned a new "trick" or changed his stick....something....because its noticeable IMHO

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:32 pm EST

NYStranger: That trade of Moore was for Adam Hall....later he was moved....and other moves were made that turned into the 2008 3rd round pick (#90-Tomas Kundratek)....thats the end of the line for that sent movement....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:30 pm EST

Stevielegs=Rabid Ranger

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:30 pm EST

GOOAALLL!!!!!!!!! KID ROCK

rangerlou


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:29 pm EST

Fishpie should start trading before they get in first place and clinch a playoff spot

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:28 pm EST

What a shot. He seems to have found consistency with it this year. 5-0h boy!

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:27 pm EST

When did CK become so accurate with that wrister!?!?!?

DCIGolfer


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:26 pm EST

CHRIS KREIDER!!!! 5-0

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:23 pm EST

Nope I was wrong. But Moore was traded for a 2nd round pick twice. Who did we get for him? Oh that's right, a bag of pucks!

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:22 pm EST

I found Nemo(Name)

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:22 pm EST

Lettieri withe the OT winner in Hartford tonight...good for him...he needs to get his game going.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:21 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Namestnikov still on the bench after having his head hit the stanchion on a hit by Boychuk.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:20 pm EST

NN is always right.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:13 pm EST

Howden, Chytil and Pionk are fun to watch.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:12 pm EST

Anderson looked good that shift in the offensive zone....part who he was out with, part I think what the focus is when playing not he 4th line (no mistakes, simple safe hockey) Seems he will take a step eventually like Chytil did....DQ seems to know how to bring along kids nice a slow....so far its working with the kids...lets see if he can do the same with Anderson...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:04 pm EST

BTW this cameraman is making me seasick

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:03 pm EST

Wild, could be. Didn't Dom Moore fetch a first at the deadline many moons ago. Don't rember teams involved. Maybe Tampa?

NYStranger


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:03 pm EST

has been? McLeod?

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:02 pm EST

RF4l: Well McLeod has been in the lineup for an 8-1-1 run....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:00 pm EST

Speaking of Maloney's, Everyone hear that Dan Maloney passed?

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:00 pm EST

McLeod put? Ooh finally thw Rangers can start to play well....

RF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:59 pm EST

Oops, I was looking at Fogarty.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:59 pm EST

Rangers announce McLeod will not return

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:58 pm EST

Dave....oops

tradestar28


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:58 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... McLeod will not return due to a hand injury. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:58 pm EST

Don Maloney is slowly turning into Stan Fischler

tradestar28


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:57 pm EST

Rhet: beleskey with 2 goals tonight...but what is the 14 points in 19 games thing...not Belesky...he has 5 in 11....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:55 pm EST

Trocheck apparently out for some time in Florida...didnt know he was taken off on a stretcher...saying something about surgery....Wonder if they think they still have a shot at the playoffs...if so they may jump at Hayes to replace him at center....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:52 pm EST

If he can grip a stick, he might still come out for the third(even with a cast). If it's just one finger, that might be a bit more difficult. On the bright side, Matt Beleskey had a goal tonight (14 points in 19 games).

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:51 pm EST

JFC: There are teams that would give the Rangers a 1st for Hayes, maybe a 1st+ depending on the team and where they are int he standings, the way he is playing now. The AVS may give their own first. I know many want that OTT first, but Hayes wont get that one on his own....but I guess you could sweeten the pot a little. Send them 2/3 of a line to give them depth...Hayes and Nam, or Hayes and Zucc for the OTT first and a prospect? That may be too much to give for that return...but that depends on what teams would give for Nam or Zucc....Personally I would say try to trade all 3 for 1st rounders....and yeah I think you could get a 1st for each of them. Nam would get a late first, from a contender who is looking to add some depth and skill, think a likely 25th spot or later type first rounder, Zucc would probably get a mid round 1st from a team that is trying to get into that top end conversation...and maybe it also ends up a later pick if they go deep, same for Hayes. Yeah the #1 overall is the prize...but if you dont get that having 3 or 4 first rounders is a nice consolation prize....

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:47 pm EST

WILD.... You could tell he was favoring it. Kin=d of hard to fight with one hand.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:45 pm EST

Rhet: McLeods pinky didn't look right...it seemed out of place or broken....I didn't see him hit it on anything on replay...but his hand was wrapped up in the jersey, I wonder if he dislocated it or something....he very early on went into protection mode during that fight, like he knew something was up and didn't want to risk being injured further...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:44 pm EST

Rangers up 4-0

rangerlou


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:42 pm EST

GOOAALL!!!!!!!!! Purple Hayes

rangerlou


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:42 pm EST

McLeod probably has a broken hand.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:40 pm EST

The NYI should pull their goalie. He looked awful there.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:39 pm EST

Wild -- agree....Rangers should take advantage of the fact that Hayes is playing well and get maximum return for him. $6 mil for a 26 year old, 50 point guy? No thanks!

JFC31


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:39 pm EST

HAYES WITH A BEAUTY!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:37 pm EST

WILD... It's called the JOE SAKIC RULE. We're out to screw any team that signed Joe Sakic to an offer sheet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:37 pm EST

Dayum....McLeod just got punched out!! Oof! That's gotta hurt!!

JFC31


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:31 pm EST

NHL needs to figure out if rules are meant to be enforced or not...if not remove them. The instigator for instance....How was there not an extra penalty with that? Guy chases a player around until he can get him to fight....text book instigator. The other one...they have a visor rule...Kamoraov might be the worst case, but hayes as well, adjust the visor up, so its out go their eyes....but that makes it useless....Whats the point of making a rule if you dont enforce it...the instigator...the visor rule, put in place due to so many eye injuries but let guys leave the visor in a position that it doesn't protect the eyes...its just stupid....but her, they call a hook if your stick touched a glove!!! SO they have that down!

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:30 pm EST

I like that we have a coach that bitches to refs when they get screwed

Puckyou


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:20 pm EST

Nylander is a very good fit for this team playing wise. I know nothing of his commitment or personality but I still wouldn’t trade Brady for him.

Jake0104


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:08 pm EST

Wild...then trade Hayes for mcDavid...

RF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:05 pm EST

Hospo. Agreed 100%

RF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:01 pm EST

ZBad is fine starting with the Rangers....Hayes is not. I like Hayes, but not at 6+ mil per...ZBad is signed for 3 more years a 5.3 mil per....I dont want to have a center making a million more than him who produces less points. He is playing great right now, that is true...but even with this great play he is on pace for less than 60 points....6+mil?I dont think so...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:54 pm EST

STROME for Spooner was a steal.... Vesey / Howden / Strome, great line

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:54 pm EST

I know ZBAD got a scintillatiing assist on the PP, but still deal him (and get more in return) then Hayes..but, yeah, get ZUCC back for a few games and try to get a good deal for him......RF4L - The thing is..all CHYTL needed was time and confidence in the NHL..I was no big fan of him getting 4th line minutes and linemates either...but there was a method to the madness of not sending him down instead...he stayed in the NHL..his confidence didnt tank...he learned in practice and thenm finally got the opportunity in the games with top linemates and everything clicked....Well done by the coaching staff and CHYTL

Hospo


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:50 pm EST

NN: my apologies, hope it was a great trip, welcome back, I think we're long past due for a WIOSA sighting!

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:49 pm EST

Trivia Answer: LaFonatine/Redden/Kasparitus

DOUBLEN


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:42 pm EST

Jake: Agree, Zucc has had little to do with this run over the last 10 games. Best in the NHL even though for some reason the NHL marketing people seem o think DET with a 8-2-0 record is better than the Rangers 8-1-1 record....In any case, the team is not suffering with Zucc being out or not at 100% when in. He should be the next "vet" shopped....then Hayes...then the D who are more or less expendable.

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:37 pm EST

MF: I did not do that in Amsterdam, just the usual stuff Museums, Windmills, Walking Tours, Ann Frank House, U2 concert.

DOUBLEN


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:36 pm EST

This streak of very good hockey over the last 10 games makes Zucc expendable

Jake0104


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:35 pm EST

Hospo...I think those calling for Chytil to be farmed out was only if DQ was going to keep him on the 4th line playing 8 minutes a night endlessly.

RF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:29 pm EST

NN: welcome back! get a little stoned in Amsterdam, did we? :->) Can't find my way home? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT-SFgkVlno

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:27 pm EST

Hey I have a better Idea than trading Hank....the Rangers should trade for McDavid....I mean I am sure he will request a trade to the Rangers...why wouldn't he!

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:27 pm EST

Man, how long has it been since we had a guy with that kind of a slap shot?

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:26 pm EST

IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!! NEAL PIONK!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:21 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... McLeod's first goal since Dec. 5, 2017. First as a NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:18 pm EST

That was a real legit goal too.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:18 pm EST

Like him on the team or hate him....McLeod deserved to get one...guy leaves it all on the ice every game... hell every shift...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:17 pm EST

TD just had an aneurysm! Cody with the tip in!

DCIGolfer


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:17 pm EST

Cody McLeod of the clan McLeod..There can be only one..Thank God! Good for him..working abd hitting his ass off..And, man, gald the Rangers didnt farm out Chytl like many wanted..Confidence makes a huge difference

Hospo


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:15 pm EST

Someone check the temperature in Hell.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:15 pm EST

iCloud

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:14 pm EST

M CLEOD SCORESS????

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:12 pm EST

GOOAALLL!!!!! FILLIP!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:10 pm EST

WB NN!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:10 pm EST

CHYTIL....FIVE IN A ROW!!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:06 pm EST

It's been awhile..but Happy Thanksgiving to all. Missed the first few games of the season as I was in beautiful Amsterdam, finally getting back into the swing of things with the Rangers.

DOUBLEN


Wed Nov 21 2018 6:43 pm EST

Since the trade, Strome has 6 hits in two games(vs his average of 1 per game)... Spooner has 1 hit in two games(vs his average of 1 hit per every two games). Spooner feels more and more like an addition by subtraction.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 6:36 pm EST

Skjei is a beast tonight and Stprme with a goal or vice versa.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:55 pm EST

VLADIMIR TARASENKO: Turns 27 in December, 6', 225LBS, (means he's built like a tank) 4 years remaining at $7.5mill for a talent that costs approx $100K per point produced (career avg confirms) & which is the going rate for good talent. He's priced right IMO..... So what does STL want in return??? Got to be hefty... https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blues ----- http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7868/stats

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:52 pm EST

Vic - Sorry bud, but you're wrong. I don't have to argue this, since I have seen and experienced it first hand...I've experienced it with lesser players and I've been that lesser player...When a guy who is on your line can barely catch a pass...when he cant keep up with the center or the other wing...it's common goddamn sense that he's going to be a drain on that line...What you're arguing is that if anyone else was on that line with those guys that they'd perform the same...and that is patently ridiculous. I'm not going to say...and I'm not saying that iClod is personally responsible for ANDERSSON and CHYTIL having zeros on that line...or for LETTIERI being in the minors...but he IS responsible for that line being generally ineffective...QUINN basically gets away with skating a three-line team...he shorts his fourth line almost as bad as the Tortorella era, when those guys were getting three and four minutes...he gets away with it because its the top of the season and he's got a very young team...because that shit won't fly come April...nevertheless, we can agree to disagree...Certainly I don't like McLEOD, but it's nothing personal...I don't "demonize" him...I call it like it is, which is that he's a vastly inferior skater and all-around player than anyone else on the team. I mean, LITERALLY anyone else. You'd almost be better off skating SMITH or CLAESSON on the wing than him.

tdchi


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:28 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... Brady Skjei is back in for the Rangers tonight after being scratched the past two. Brendan Smith is out. David Quinn said it’s the first time this season a player who doesn’t deserve to be scratched will be scratched. He wants to get Skjei back in. He wants Skjei to simplify.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:17 pm EST

Elliote Friedman was speculating today that the STL Blues could consider moving VLADIMIR TARASENKO before his full NTC kicks in on the final four years of his deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:12 pm EST

MF... Nothing prevents us from talking to TB right now about Hanks. That way we could gauge their interest plot the framework of a deal before we go back to him to ask him to waive the NTC portion of his deal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:06 pm EST

How thick is this wall ?

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 4:54 pm EST

Hank could also waive his NMC so we could talk to TBL to gauge interest.... He'd get a ton of Games this season, and lighten his load next season and the year after... In the meantime, he'd have a shot at back-2-back Cups!.. Or is that back-2-back; chicken shack?

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 4:28 pm EST

HANK could also waive his NMC for the draft a la Fleury, but that would mean that he'd still be playing a lot more than Shestyorkin/GEO next season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 4:24 pm EST

Vic: I share your point of view, but I think there's also a reasonable chance that at next year's trading deadline Henrik lets us trade him to a contender so he gets a shot at the Cup. If that happens we may keep Georgiev since then we would not have to lose him to the expansion draft.

Ranger47


Wed Nov 21 2018 3:36 pm EST

Correction: If we’re not trading for 1st round draft picks which "ARE IN" the Top 15 of the 1st round, we are NOT increasing our odds of winning the high Drafting Positions… (The 15th place FIRST Round Pick still has a remote Odd’s on chance to get you HUGHES, the 16th Place FIRST round pick Does NOT)

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 3:34 pm EST

(the draft) IF I remember correctly, the 14 teams that don't make the PO's compete on a weighted basis for the first 14 Draft Picks. Now with LV in the league & 15 teams not making the PO's, I imagine 15 teams will compete for the 1st 15 slots... The last place finisher in the league had something like a 20% chance of picking 1st overall, and it tapers down to the 15th place finisher, "SO" who's to say we get a top tier 1st line center when our turn comes? Nobody! Obviously there’s no guarantees & some of the centers drafted may wind up being 1B Talent, or 2nd line or 3rd & 4th liners, a couple may be total Jesi-busts.. Since this upcoming draft has talented centers, and next year’s draft does too, & the timing works nicely with our rebuild and it only serves to endorse a rebuild. (imo) Personally, I'm all for tearing this house down to the studs, trade Zucc, Smith, Shattenkirk if he gets us NYLANDER. I’ll trade SKJEI (since he’s a LHS D’man) If we need to trade Hayes, we trade Hayes….. But as a side note: If we’re not trading for 1st round draft picks which are NOT in the Top 15 of the 1st round, we are NOT increasing our odds of winning the high Drafting Positions… (The 15th place FIRST Round Pick still has a remote Odd’s on chance to get you HUGHES, the 16th Place FIRST round pick Does NOT) That’s a reason to Bundle, Bundle, Bundle…..

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 3:19 pm EST

VIC: I do Not believe that I typed that we should Forego trying to land Top Talent in the Draft, and all my "Trade Posts" support that that is Not my intent.... What I am saying IS that we should build with the mindset that me may wind up with a "Plan-B" and may have to improvise, AND, if we land that Top echelon Talent our adjustment/s will be easy.................

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 3:10 pm EST

WildCard: They traded GIACOMIN, they an coerce Hank to move on! That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;-)

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 3:08 pm EST

Vic what's the chances they are willing to trade that pick , slim to none ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 2:29 pm EST

Vic: Georgiev will likely be dealt prior to the summer after next season....The Russian kid is the next in line seemingly in the minds of the Rangers. Hank isn't going anyplace....it is beyond fantasy to keep suggesting there is any logical way of "forcing" him out...

Wildcard


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:59 pm EST

STEVIE: The path is to trade with Colorado for Ottawa's #1 pick. I've suggested several packages but really I would way overpay (in veterans) in any package to secure that pick. Because none of those veterans will be here when the Rangers are ready to compete for a Cup again and that pick could be the guy that the new team is built around. The path, in general, is to trade at a minimum HAYES, MZA, SMITH and McQUAID. It also involves pushing HANK out the door so that GEORGIEV is not lost to expansion. And if the Rangers can get good value in draft picks and prospects for SHATTENKIRK, KREIDER and FAST I'm all ears as well. If SKJEI can be moved in a package for NYLANDER I'd do that as well. Ottawa is going to finish in the bottom 3 this year. If the Rangers make those moves they should as well. This is the ONE YEAR where you bite the bullet and come away with possibly two top 4 or 5 picks (and hopefully the #1). After that you start building back up the depth around those players. They already have a lot of it. You also asked me if GORTON was doing any of that. My answer so far is.....NO, he isn't. Hopefully he has been working those deals in the background. But my fear is that he is going to wait too long and the Rangers will end up with too good of a record to draft in the top 3. And Ottawa will sink to the bottom prompting Colorado to really want to keep that pick. These opportunities don't come along every day. A good GM with vision would seize the chance.

Vic


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:43 pm EST

rf4l I wasn't talking about fishpie's quote, it's his actions as gm....he's a chip off the genius block....

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:31 pm EST

up to that contact too.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:19 pm EST

A lot of young players when they get their first big contract have problems trying to live of to that contract and get away from their game. The NYR are just trying to reassure him and eliminate it as an issue for him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:14 pm EST

There is a ton to like in Skjei and if you shopped him he would not be considered a castoff. You could get a low 1 or high 2 and a second level prospect for him all day long.

E


Wed Nov 21 2018 1:03 pm EST

stevie: What do you expect them to say? "Skjei, you're shit and we made a huge mistake in giving you that contract."? Methinks you're being a tad harsh dude!

rf4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:35 am EST

another smith ?.....let's face it, fishpie is not the sharpest knife or gm.... Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 2h2 hours ago Wonder how much confidence #NYR brass has in Brady Skjei? "They've said, 'We feel like you're worth every penny.'" In the first year of his six-year, $31.5 million deal, Skjei likely to return tonight vs. #Isles after two games as a healthy scratch.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:33 am EST

New York Rangers Retweeted NHL Network ‏Verified account @NHLNetwork 3h3 hours ago "We're finally buying into the system... really, we're starting to play just smart hockey." - @shattdeuces joined #NHLTonight to talk about the red hot @NYRangers. #NHLNow

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 11:32 am EST

E it can help to have better line-mates, but #7 pick should be picking up his line-mates. he might have to go back down again. that's why the re-builders want a top 3 , so off the boardie gordie isn't needed for that pick. wasn't carlos montoya a #7 pick of fine Corinthian leather ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:58 am EST

ice time is a privilege. Howden started on the 4th and made it impossible to keep him there full time. Its up to Lias to do the same.

E


Wed Nov 21 2018 10:44 am EST

rf4l I doubt that, probably tony d sits

stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:30 am EST

7 d-men tonight? Oh I hope not....

rF4l


Wed Nov 21 2018 9:20 am EST

Vic what is the path to getting a top 3 pick ? Do you think that’s what fishpie is trying to do?

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:52 am EST

TD: I'm not going to argue McLEOD with you. It has become a religion for you. Clearly you view him as the hockey Anti-Christ. But you are evaluating the statistics of a 4th line and are comparing it to the stats of players on other lines. The role of the 4th line is completely different then a top 6 line or even a 3rd line in today's NHL. And of course playing with someone as poor as McLEOD from a skating and advanced stats perspective will hurt the other guys on his line from a stats perspective as well. But again, even as a LETTIERI fan I can state (with total certainty) that MCLEOD didn't cost LETTIERI his NHL job. If LETTIERI had played with the same tenacity and relentlessness that he showed in the preseason and last year he would still be here. And he would have gotten a chance to move up for a game here or there to see what he could do. But he didn't play that way. He wasn't an effective player. And it had nothing to do with McLEOD. CHEETOS was playing with his head up his ass at the start of the season. And he clearly wasn't ready to play center. So DQ put him on the wing on the first line, second line and third line. When he still wasn't playing well he got dropped to the 4th line. And low and behold after a few weeks on the 4th line he started to play better with and without the puck. So DQ put him on the PP and he scored. Then DQ moved him up and gave him a chance with the top 6 and he has responded. He is gaining confidence and playing much better. McLEOD didn't hold him back. The same goes for ANDERSSON. DQ first put him on the HAYES line. He added nothing to it and didn't look like a top 6 player. So DQ has him on the 4th line. Just looking for him to play a good defensive game and play well with and without the puck in the context of the role of the 4th line. And McLEOD isn't hurting ANDERSSON right now either. Because the coaches are evaluating ANDERSSON based on his own play with and without the puck. They know McLEOD is a limited player.

Vic


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:38 am EST

MF: But there IS a way to get one. That is why I get so frustrated with this argument. The Rangers (and other teams) have tried the 1B method. In almost every case it fails. Why do you want to try to do something with so low of a success rate? That is what I don't understand. People here look at rebuilding through top 3 draft picks and say "Well, it doesn't work every time so there is no guarantee, so we can't do that.". Why? It results in a team that wins a Cup from a probability standpoint above 50 times more so then building around mediocre players (the 1B approach) --- (see this page for the data: http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/cup-champions/) ---. The logic that "there is no guarantee" therefore we shouldn't do it even though the other approach is almost a certain guarantee that they won't win a Cup astounds me.

Vic


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:12 am EST

RF4L - It's all academic, because we don't have STEPAN and he's with a team that...well...even with McDAVID on the starting roster wouldn't be much different than it is...But the fact on Stepan is that he's like the goddamn sun statistically...he is a perennial 50-plus point center...and at $6.5 million, that's a very good guy to have in your lineup...Step is also...how shall I say this..."a good character guy" to have...And one who actually has decent possession metrics...my personal opinion? The Rangers had their eye on ANDERSSON, wanted to get younger, wanted to give HAYES a shot at second-line center, and wanted to get quicker...the only part of Stepan's contract that I think factored into the mix was his NMC that was about to kick in...and they figured if there was a chance to move him, that it would be now...$6.5 million for a center like Stepan was never bad...and if andrei is corrrect...that guys netting 45 points are going to earn $9 million per, then it's going to look downright masterful.

tdchi


Wed Nov 21 2018 8:02 am EST

Hard to imagine fishpie is going to sign gabby Purple haze after his stepan decision. But he might and then trade him before a ntc clause goes into effect.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:59 am EST

Puckyou - Well, iClod makes STEPAN look like HAGELIN.

tdchi


Wed Nov 21 2018 7:58 am EST

Vic - Gotta 110 percent disagree about the effect a guy like McLEOD can have on skilled guys like CHYTIL and ANDERSSON...but also, the effect he can have on much faster, but lesser skilled guys like your boy LETTIERI...The absolute best he's going to do on a line with guys like that is not be a liability. Maybe help breakout the puck...But he's essentially a black hole in both the offensive and defensive zone. There are examples of it every single game...You can't miss it even if you try...he's a half-step behind the slowest skaters on the Rangers and unless they put a serious regulator on, he's behind the play...and that's BEFORE he lays a hit...I know some look at the hit column and his totals each game and say 'BUT WAIT!' Well, realize, the big hit or the hit alone isn't always the right play. And in fact, it can often be the WRONG play. Case and point? McILRATH. One of the hardest hitters I've seen. But he could never find the right when and where to use them and now he's a career AHLer and a "character guy"...but I digress...I can even show how statistically why McLeod is bringing down guys like CHYTL and ANDERSSON and pretty much anyone on his line...Chytil especially, since he's a puck-possession player...which is really just a fancy way of saying he's a forward in today's NHL...but another digression...You look at Chytil's advanced stats and he's a guy who is better suited when the Rangers have the puck...and in the grand scheme of things, the Rangers have the puck more often when he's on the ice...not to oversimplify or anything, but this is how you score in the NHL...early on when Chytil was getting third and second line starts, he wasn't scoring much...but his line was possessing the puck at 5x5. That's important. Very important...well, when he was demoted to fourth line, guess what happened to his possession stats? Yup. They went down...ANDERSSON, unfortunately, has never been unshackled from iClod and you look at his 5x5 numbers...well, they're almost identical to iClods...LETTIERI fared a little better, but not by much...Now watch what happens with FOGARTY...Dude, it's simple math: If you have a guy who has almost no skill playing with two guys who have speed AND skill...you have a line that basically stalls...it's a lot like taking a spark plug out of a motor...will it run? SURE! Not very well, but it'll run...the ONE benefit I can see to having iClod with the rookies...aside, of course, from him being this pillar of proverbial character granite...is that he basically makes them play as if they're down a man. That really gets your head on a swivel. The fact that iClod is only -4 this season is a reflection of 1. How little ice time he gets and 2. How hard his linemates work...On an aside, some folks here were bagging on 'how bad' LETTIERI looked and I had to shake my head in amazement...Nary a mention of his linemate on wing or the impact his dearth of skill had...Lettieri did the best he could with the skill he has and with the really piss-poor situation his coach started him in...So in closing, I really have ZERO idea of how you can argue that iClod is anything but a sinkhole on that line...but please do. I'm really interested in your explanation.

tdchi


Wed Nov 21 2018 5:49 am EST

Stepan is so slow he makes Hayes look like Grabner

Puckyou


Wed Nov 21 2018 12:39 am EST

https://foreverblueshirts.com/wolf-pack-weekly-a-massive-update-on-the-rangers-prospects-in-the-minors/

mf


Wed Nov 21 2018 12:16 am EST

VIC: Yes advantage to the team with the "1A Talent center" but those "types" are limited and not all teams get one.. Should the teams without such a talent just waive the white flag and surrender? Of course not, hence my suggestion of 2 or even 3 next tier talent 1st line centers for lines 1,2 &possibly 3, and build 4 lines deep.....

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:25 pm EST

RF: I remember a few months back I was watching the 94 series with the NJD. Kind of a preseason primer. I was actually shocked at how much tug and pulling went on. It was way worse then I remember. I mean watching Adam Graves practically tying himself to Neidermeyers Jersey. As a student of the game I was like, “this is just ugly hockey.” I agree the NJD had a PhD at it and there was a good argument that they were better then most teams but not to take away too much. That was a good team. You know who else made you nuts? Detroit. So much skill and that funnel to the off wing on the half boards. They literally showed you one entrance into the zone and had these big international ice veteran characters close you off to the boards. It was horrible. That off wing lock was a nightmare. Thank Odin that when they started calling obstruction you could seam a pass thru the soup and spread teams like that out a little. But then came the 0-5 trap and rope a dope hockey

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:49 pm EST

E: And yes if Chytil and/or Kratsov become one of those guys, then yes, problem solved. Alas, that won't be determined for 2 to 4 years. If they don't and things progress reasonably well by then we'll be well into a repeat of the past 5 years. All fine and dandy if you're Dolans counting your PO revenue or a fan who's happy with competitiveness but no cup. I'm neither. I want a cup.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:39 pm EST

TD: Fair enough, but that wall like defense was predicated on the inane refusal by the NHL to enforce the rules prohibiting interference. That wall like defense started well before the defensive zone - it was a team wide buy-in to hook/hold/interfere all over the ice. Thank goodness the stupid NHL got something right and woke up to the realization they needed to start enforcing those much more rigidly, to the extent that teams are for the most part unable to create that 'wall'. In other words, skill is more prevalent and when it comes to cup teams, high end skill is basically mandatory. How is that high end skill acquired? Almost always by drafting in the top 3. I don't get why on this wall we keep having the same debate - the evidence is overwhelming.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:31 pm EST

TD: Maybe but I maintain it's a dumb contract and that's why he was traded. And from a Coyote perspective, his acquisition hasn't brought to date any more success than they enjoyed previously, which is basically none. He was a good Ranger but not a great one and another example of Sather's flawed cup winning strategy. I sure hope Gorton isn't headed down the same road...

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:34 pm EST

RF4L - LOL!! You said almost the same exact thing about STEPAN last year when he started off slow...And remember, I said something to the effect of 'Stepan always scores 50-plus points...' Well take a look where he finished last year. I don't think anyone in Arizona is regretting the Stepan deal at this point.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:27 pm EST

andrei, no offense, but you're off your rocker if you think a team is going to give HAYES $8 million plus. I would bet you $8 million plus that it will never happen...not unless he goes on some sort of crazy tear and has himself a 70-80 point season...but... This is a guy who has NEVER scored more than 49 points...and he's just about on that same pace this year...And you're essentially saying that a team is going to pay him as much as some of the following: GETZLAF, STAMKOS, GIROUX, DRAISATL...man...this is such an unbelievably stupid argument that I'm not going to keep going...but you can go see for yourself: https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/active/2019/caphit/all/forwards. The closest comparable I can find is Kyle TURRIS...and want to guess what he's making?!? $6 million. And he had a hell of a lot more under his belt point-wise than Hayes has...On the open market...maybe...JUST MAYBE...Hayes lands himself $7 million. But you're absolutely bonkers to say that teams in the Cap era are going to throw money around for a guy who, while immensely talented, hasn't really proven himself to be much better than a second-line center. But whatever. Believe what you want. Hayes will ask for $7 million over six or seven and he'll probably settle for something more like $6 million. And like I keep saying, I wouldn't be surprised at all that he'd take around that if the Rangers offer him a term maximum. You're nuts with this $8 million BS though.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:24 pm EST

RF: don’t diminish the NJD impact. They played in an era when teams also had super centers. They had meh... offense but their defense and goaltending were like a wall. That’s why they won cups. I’m not trying to litigate each reason why teams landed the cup. Every story is unique. And that’s why the secret sauce is so complicated to make. Yes the New York Rangers need players who are identified superstars. But if crapshoot and Chytl become those guys? Does too 5 matter? You need every first to be an impact. You need your top 10s to be huge.

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:07 pm EST

VIC - I'm with stup...er..STEVIE :) on these things but like you said(and others of us have) just different opinions for fun...not fact as they are often taken on here...Now, where I vehemently disagree is the ""team playing "winning hockey" if it doesn't come with a Cup. It is worse in my opinion"..To me, not even close to worse...Winning hockey is enjoyment and it keeps you involved and filled with hope.....losing hockey by itself??? provides little..be it with kids or vets....now, putting up with the losing because you expect/hope it to be the steps necessary to be a cup winner, is something different that i understand but cant buy into especially the part where some want the team to lose and tank now for future success..again, not saying it is not a way to go, just not my cup of tea

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 6:43 pm EST

STEVIE: Here is the key line in that letter..."Our promise to you is that our plans will be guided by our singular commitment: ensuring we are building the foundation for our next Stanley Cup contender. "....And we are going to see if they really mean that or not. Because to me the "foundation" is the elite players that are necessary to win. The appliances and window dressings are the depth players that play behind them. If they are planning to build around this current roster loaded with depth players then as far as I am concerned you can crumple up and throw away that letter. It was just the BS marketing attempt to prevent the loss of season ticket subscriptions......

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 6:39 pm EST

E: It absolutely takes a team. But as I said before, great teams have great players. Nashville hasn't won a Cup even though they have a great team. They don't have the elite Center or forwards. Vegas had one of those "miracle" seasons. And just like Edmonton in 06' and The Rangers in 14' they came up short in the Finals. Miracles are nice. But you can't build a team with the hope of catching a miracle by the tail.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 6:12 pm EST

February 8, 2018 As a Season Ticket Member, we consider you a part of the New York Rangers family, and always want to ensure we share important news about the organization directly with you. Today, we want to talk to you about the future. As you know, since the 2005–06 season, we have been a highly competitive team. We have played 129 playoff games, won the Presidents' Trophy, reached the Conference Finals three times, as well as the Stanley Cup Final. While we're proud of all those accomplishments – we didn't reach our ultimate goal of bringing the Stanley Cup back to New York. So as we do every season, we have been continuously evaluating our team, looking for areas that can be improved to enhance our chances of winning. We began the process of reshaping our team this past summer, when we traded for assets that we believe will help us in the years to come. As we approach the trade deadline later this month and into the summer, we will be focused on adding young, competitive players that combine speed, skill and character. This may mean we lose some familiar faces, guys we all care about and respect. While this is part of the game, it's never easy. Our promise to you is that our plans will be guided by our singular commitment: ensuring we are building the foundation for our next Stanley Cup contender. There are no fans like Rangers fans. You are passionate, loyal and true. You fill The Garden every night, and we always know there will be a strong showing from RangersTown in every building across the League. We do not take your support for granted. We appreciate that you have always stood by us, and we ask you to remain by our side as we undertake this exciting new chapter filled with promise and change. We will keep you informed as this process takes shape. Thank you for the incredible loyalty, pride and respect you show to the New York Rangers, each and every day.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 6:06 pm EST

E: NJ won in a trapping era where interference and neutral zone clogging was the primary strategy. That team played it like a science. That era, thank goodness, is in the distant past. Nashville hasn't won a cup in part because of their lack of a true number 1 centre.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:51 pm EST

VIC: Nashville has a slowly improving center that's been living off of a sniper now for several seasons. The NJ Devils didn't have number one centers. Yes, I agree there is the prototype. But some guys also massage and develop into the role. Getzlaf enjoyed the fruits of Teemu Sellane in his first few seasons. When they were separated because of his poor play his numbers sagged badly. I don't remember how much but he was only as good as Sellane would make him early on. Years go by, he improved. I would argue that he hasn't been a number one for a long time, yet he is. He has his moments. And yeah he has cups. I get that. But look at LA. Kopitar was taken at 11. Carter was a trade in. SJ. Pavelski was found from the gutter. Couture was a low one pick if memory serves me right. Sedin's were picked where? I mean yes, we need to pick a few winners from up high but they've gotta build a team. We'll see where it all goes. And then there is free agency... LV? Who was there number one and where did he come from? The truth is the easiest way to get to a rebuild is to get a few very high picks. But honestly, there are many ingredients to make the gravy.

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:41 pm EST

One other comment on the Oilers. If the Oilers had hired HITCHCOCK or TORTS way back when they first starting drafting HALL, RNH and the rest of that team I have the feeling that the last 10 years would have gone much different for that franchise. Obviously there is no way to turn back the clock and know for sure. But I strongly believe that had those kids been immersed in playing a defensive game first and foremost they would have developed into much better players and a much better team. Coaches like HITCHCOCK and TORTS do that and demand absolute accountability to it.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:37 pm EST

ANDREI: No, I would not have given anything but a bridge deal to Hayes. Was he ascending? Was he idle? The guy couldn’t skate to save his life. And he was on the third line. Give the man credit. He seized on his moments. Good for him. But lets not do this inference that the NYR mad an epic mistake and saw his progression the way he did. So now? Maybe he says and maybe he goes. Welcome to free agency. And I don’t want to continue “status quo.” I’m not looking to jettison players either. DO, I hope they trade out Hayes and MZA? Absolutely. It’s a rebuild. As for hometown discounts? Of course that happens. Doug Wilson was on record as giving Marleau a north of seven contract but understood that Marleau wanted to pursue his dream. So, you assume money is a single driver. Really? Ask Shayne Doan. Smith in Edmonton. I’m sure I could give other examples but whatever. History only makes you right part of the time.

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:26 pm EST

STEVIE: I know you disagree. And that is fine. We don't have to agree on what the Rangers should do. And just because the Rangers decided to do what one of us thinks is best doesn't make it the right decision either. In the end all I care about is winning the Cup (hopefully multiple times). I don't care about this team playing "winning hockey" if it doesn't come with a Cup. It is worse in my opinion.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:25 pm EST

Stevie... IMO, making the playoffs does nothing but move us further away from a cup. We do not have the pieces we need to win a cup nor do we have the pieces needed to be a contender. That should always be the ultimate goal, not just making the playoffs. We need more pieces to add to the kids we already have. If we primarily played just the kids now, we could potentially be in line for a top 5 pick this season. Rinse and repeat the next season. That's potentially 2 more players that can join the team within 1-2 years(if not immediately) as opposed to say getting them in 3-4 years. We need players that can carry us in a playoff series or longer. Add to it trading for a player like a Nylander, possibly signing a player like Panarin and then adding the NYR Russian contingent next season and we're much closer. Add to that, whatever we get for a Hank, Hayes, Zucc, McQuaid, etc. and we're potentially a lot closer. Knowing DQ, he'd probably still have the team playing well even with more kids and less vets, but that would be okay too, Then the kids would play in all kind of situations and be counted upon in crunch time. We would for sure up the trade value of a Georgiev if he actually got to play. There is no guarantee that we'll make the playoffs this year or that we even stay .500 for the rest of the season. I see more logic in taking some short term pain for us to make long term gains.... Quinn and Gorton are on the same win now page? When did they ever say that? They sent out two letters to the season ticket holder stating the exact opposite. Until the deadline has passed and we've actually stood pat, we should not assume otherwise.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:22 pm EST

MF: Here is the problem with your 1B plan. Two 1B Centers don't equal a 1A. Four 1B Centers don't equal a 1A. Because when games are decided (especially playoff games) that 1A is on the ice against your 1B. No matter how you slice it. Those guys play huge minutes in the playoffs and all of the critical situations. I'll put this another way. It is two outs in the bottom of the 9th in game 7 of the world series. You are down by two runs and have two guys on. Who would you rather have at the plate right now? A 60 home run a season guy or any one of the three 20 home run guys you were able to draft instead of a 60 home run guy? Well in that situation the 60 home run guy has (based on a 600 at bat season) a 1 in 10 chance of hitting a home run. The 20 home run guys have a 1 in 30 chance of hitting a home run. Great teams have great players. It is why they win. Great teams are not filled with bunches of mediocre players.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:19 pm EST

Vic 9 of 23 ? .....100% disagree....as the wall turns.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:17 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏un - Verified account ......................rebuild is fiction...............lol........

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:15 pm EST

NHL Alumni ‏ @NHLAlumni We’re saddened to report that #NHLAlumni Dan Maloney has passed away. We offer our heartfelt condolences to his friends, family and loved ones. Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NYR Alumni Reports ‏ @NYRalumni 2h2 hours ago NYR Alumni Reports Retweeted NHL Alumni RIP Dan Maloney. @NYRangers Asst Coach 1992-93

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 4:50 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 43s43 seconds ago "It's a 4 point game...got to keep building and keep going in the direction we've been going." - #NYR Coach Quinn on tomorrow night's matchup with the Islanders

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 4:44 pm EST

ANDREI: I agree 100%.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 4:34 pm EST

RHET: From your response this morning....are you kidding me??? Since the second the HAYES 1 year deal was inked I've been saying he is as good as gone. And if the objective is to actually do a proper rebuild with a chance at a top 3 pick HE SHOULD BE TRADED. I've been proposing deals where he gets dealt and we get back Ottawa's #1 from Colorado. So don't say I can't be objective about the guy. I've been one of the few people who has actually be objective about him from day one. And I still am firmly in the camp that HAYES, MZA, McQUAID and every other pending UFA should be dealt at a minimum. If they want to deal SMITH, KREIDER, ZBAD, FAST, STINKY, STAAL, etc. I'm all ears as well. Because trying to go for the playoffs this year is just STUPID in my book. It accomplishes nothing....NOTHING....even if they do make the playoffs. Because the talent to win a Cup does not exist on this roster yet. At least not the key talent. And yes that means the #1 Center. So I disagree with any approach that doesn't include dealing a massive chunk of this team away for draft picks and prospects. But having said all that if they do intend stop the rebuild right now and try to amass as many points as they can (meaning piss away this draft) then it would be equally stupid not to resign HAYES. Because HAYES is the most dynamic Center on this roster right now. HOWDEN looks great and I really like him. Of all of the other young guys he is the only one that I see as having a chance to be a #1 Center. But the reality is that he will probably be a great #2 Center in this league. CHEETOS has speed and skill. He oozes both. But he doesn't have the physical game to be a #1 Center in this league. He is a year younger then HOWDEN. Just watch the way the two of them play. HOWDEN plays the body. He goes to the net. He goes to the corners. CHEETOS is a perimeter player. He likes time and space. He is probably best served on the wing where he can pick his spots and not have to deal with the physical demands of playing Center. And ANDERSSON is what most of the scouts said he was before he was drafted. A solid, physical presence who will be a good NHL player. But a guy with limited offensive upside. A guy who probably won't be a top 6 player. And that is exactly what he has shown in camp last year, in camp this year and his two stints with the team. I have yet to see him make a single play that shows elite offensive ability. Not one. So if they aren't going to go for a top 3 pick they better damn will resign HAYES because there isn't any talent coming to rescue anywhere else in the system.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 3:20 pm EST

rf4L, people live in a fantasy world where magic happens. No point to argue with them. They still think that you can keep on winning and you can keep on getting franchise players from thin air. Sure. Funny part is that we have just gone troughs last 12 years of the "winning" culture without a cup. Same people who complain about not having "right" impact players, same people now want to continue winning as is. Then of course, they will blame management because they could not get "right" players. Sather sucks, AV sucks, Gordon sucks. No, we can't trade Stepan. He is great. No, we need to keep Krider, he can become a power forward. Just need to wait till he "finally" puts it together. All while it is clear that he will never put it together.. No, we can't tank. GOD forbid we impact "winning" culture.. No, we need to re-sign Hayes, because he is just great. If can only put it together, he will be a superstar... No we need to keep Zuc because he is very important to a "winning" culture.. Meantime, Shitsburg have won 3 cups. Chicago won 3 cups. LA won two cups. NYR, 0 cups, 24 years running....

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 3:12 pm EST

To the point: smaller expectations on just how good a talent we ultimately land.....

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 3:10 pm EST

RF: No not what I intended to convey. I'm saying that there is a strong possibility that we are not going to land what I categorize as a "1A" talent for 1st line center... A talent that is top 5, or top 10 in the league..... However, landing "two" 1B talent centers is achievable, and so is acquiring or grooming one of the best 3rd line centers in the league. Therefore, "IF" we are left to have to dress two "1B" talents at 1st & 2nd line center, we must find ways to win it all..... In the last several years teams have started to roll 4 lines from a different mindset than yesteryear. There is also a much keener eye on managing minutes... My contention is that without a Crosby/Malkin or a McDavid/Draisaitl, we've got to be deeper throughout personnel-wise... jmo snatcherally

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:58 pm EST

mf: Smaller expectations meaning what? You don't care if no cup is had? If that's the case you and I are on 2 totally different wavelengths here (not that that matters of course).

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:52 pm EST

Here we go again, and will go again on the 1st line center issue.... "Is it not better to count on acquiring two "1B" talents for the top two lines and have smaller expectations, yet not conceding that we can't win with that, because We Can... Now "IF" we get lucky enough to stumble across a 1A talent (in other words, a Crosby, AMacKinnon, a Mcdavid, a Johansson, a Bergeron) for 1st line center, great......

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:49 pm EST

mf: Ottawa has some fine young talent - they've historically drafted well (Karlsson was selected 15th in 2008 and Chabot 18th in 2015). Their screw-up is including the 1st pick in the Duchene deal - they clearly overpaid regardless of how well Duchene is doing. Turris plus a solid prospect plus a 3rd was enough.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:46 pm EST

RonzoniLegs: "it all depends on what your definition of is, is."

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:45 pm EST

Rhet: You mean a 6 year $6,500,000 deal to Hayes? Maybe but do you keep Z, too? And are you risking repeating the cycle we just went through that resulted in an extended competitive run but no cup because you've yet again failed to address the true number 1 centre issue? I'd argue both Hayes and Z are number 2's. Tough call. What I definitely wouldn't do is give Hayes a Stepan like deal the equates to the cap ceiling of today.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:24 pm EST

rhet when exactly do you want the best roster and tank for hughes or a top 3 pick at the same time ? having the best roster means trying to make the playoffs and go from there, including keeping hanky as your #1 goalie for 65 + games... so far quinn and fishpie seem to be on the page of winning now.... as hospo said, as the wall spins.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:18 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago Not skating today for #NYR: Mats Zuccarello - groin Henrik and Mika - maintenance.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:18 pm EST

Hitchcock and Spooner. Should be fun.

Bob


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:52 pm EST

RF: Regarding "Poo Du-Chene" I was looking at the scoring leader stats last night, surprised to see that he's tied for 5th overall in the league with MALKIN: ..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/players/NHL .......... OTT has this young D'man THOMAS CHABOT who is just ripping it up in his Sophomore year, 2nd on the team in scoring.. Ott certainly playing way better as a team than anyone anticipated.....Karlsson who!?!? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/11235/stats

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:51 pm EST

RF4L... I really wasn't looking to re-litigate that whole debate again. Ryan O'Reilly and others blew up the pay structure for centers and his deal was well within those parameters. Also, 99.95% of the time you can expect the cap to go up. We both know Stepan will be around 17 goals and 50 points this season as always. He's a streaky player who hasn't gotten hot yet. ...That said, given how you feel about the Stepan deal, how would you feel about the team giving a similar-type deal to Kevin Hayes? The way contracts in the league are currently going, that could be a real possibility this offseason (if he's not traded of course).

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:51 pm EST

mf: Re Sather to Edmonton. It's funny - the ex-old time Oiler thread is still very present on that team. Kevin Lowe and Craig McTavish are still involved and I believe Gretzky has a role there, too. They should annex all of that connection - they've been nothing but a horror story for like 10 years now. It's shameful. And to think they are ruining what should be the best NHL showcase with McDavid there. For those who think Buttman fixes the draft - that McDavid is there vs Barfalo or Arizona is proof positive that doesn't happen. Teams in the mix to draft 1st overall that year included (besides Barfalo and Arizona), Carolina and Florida, 3 of 4 sunbelt teams desperate for a star player like McDavid.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:33 pm EST

Way not to read "MF" -- The coach was "whacked." -- " The normally very chatty Ken Hitchcock wasn’t picking up his phone Tuesday morning, which is understandable. But that will all change in a hurry. Now that he has been confirmed as the Edmonton Oilers new head coach, Hitchcock will have a lot to say – and he’ll say it pointedly – to a group that has spectacularly underperformed." - https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/hitchcock-can-be-exactly-what-oilers-need-as-threat-of-another-lost-season-looms

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:30 pm EST

RF: re: Jesse Puljujarvi, makes one think that the toxicity in Edmonton may run deep. That GM should be shown the door, not sure if their coach should be "whacked" though..... Maybe they want Glenn Sather, please place a call into your buddy Glenn's office. thanks

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:26 pm EST

rett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Quinn said Georgiev goes tomorrow for #NYR against #Isles and Lundqvist will back up. Skjei will also be back in, for who seems TBD.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:23 pm EST

AON, watched the BJ/Leaf game last night and was very impressed with Pierre-Luc Dubois. He's off to a great start - 10 goals and 19 points in 21 games and is 3rd in team scoring. For those who follow the draft, perhaps you'll recall he was selected 3rd overall in 2016 and the BJ GM was accused of pulling an OTBG move in doing so because heavily favoured over him was Jesse Puljujarvi who is currently plying his trade in the AHL. Selected 23 picks after Pul was Brett Howden.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:20 pm EST

If AV goes to STL, expect the post game interviews to be filled with, "when we play the right way.......blah, blah, blah"

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:20 pm EST

NEWFIE - I hear what yo're saying..just dont agree! :) ..The way DQ is playing and relying on HAYES (and deservedly so), I dont think the Rangers will be trading him anytime soon..OTOH, GORDO may have different ideas than his coach---I hope that isn't so as they need to be on the same page..But, perhaps they are just showcasing him? I don't know...I THINK they will at least keep him to near the deadline...maybe re-sign him to an extension..or deal him for a few draft picks for 2 months rental...Not crazy about that.

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:16 pm EST

TSN’s Pierre LeBrun reports that while nothing has changed on the status of goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky in Columbus, there may be good news when it comes to Artemi Panarin and the Blue Jackets organization.... Panarin is slated to become an unrestricted free agent in July and it was reported by multiple outlets he was as good as gone, looking to play in a bigger market and cash in on free agency. The Blue Jackets were hoping that a successful season for the team might convince Panarin to change his mind and that might be happening.... Panarin’s agent is set to meet with him following the holiday break to discuss their contract situation. Panarin is reportedly happy because he’s scoring and the Blue Jackets are in first place in the Metropolitan Division. LeBrun thinks GM Jarmo Kekalainen might make a contract offer to Panarin before the trade deadline and see if they can convince him to stay.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 1:15 pm EST

Rhet: The cap is $79,500,000 now. As it rises so do player salaries and their demands. Stepan is in year 4 of his 6 year deal, meaning he signed it the summer of 2015. The cap then was $62,000,000, meaning it's risen since then by just under 30%. 30% of $6,500,000 is $2,200,000 and that means a similar deal this past summer would have been $8,700,000. Yikes! BTW, FWIW the Coyotes exercised their right to waive the NMC Stepan had. He's currently on the torrid pace of 16 goals and 16 assists for a whooping 32 points - I wouldn't be surprised to see him moved in the next year with, of course, the Yotes eating some of his salary. That was a dumb contract when it was negotiated (on the Rangers part) and still a dumb contract even with the cap increase.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:56 pm EST

The Alain Vigneault to STL Blues rumors have already started :) ...In regard to player salaries: remember the days when Derek Stepan was horribly overpaid and we needed to unload his salary? It feels like years ago already, but it wasn't even a year and a half ago. Time flies.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:51 pm EST

Andrei.....that might be true enough, but there are 'good" teams out there now in a tail spin and are looking to shake up their line-up...….just sayin'.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:48 pm EST

andrei: LOL...yeah, I wonder how many games it'll be before Spooner is 4th lined and then pressboxed.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:47 pm EST

Funny note. Hatch in Edmonton sure will love Spooner...

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:45 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger, best time to trade will be at the trade deadline.

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:40 pm EST

As an FYI, rumours have it Duchene and the Sens are talking and Duchene will end up resigning there for something between $8,000,000 and $9,000,000 per. Hayes isn't in that stratosphere but arguably in the next echelon below, so he'll likely get offers between $7,000,000 and $8,000,000 if he hits UFA.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:38 pm EST

Hospo…...on Hayes...yes, I want him gone but I see how he fits in for now. He is 26 and is starting to look good in spurts, enough to make other teams think of him as a catch.My point is to trade him now and get what you can . Some one joked the week that he only has two speeds med and slow.....well he ain't gonna get any faster ( he may come to a stand still eventually) and if we over-sign him and keep him ,he will be worth nothing to us later on.That's my real concern .

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:30 pm EST

Hospo: I never got the poo flung at Duchene for his skillset. It's always been there. Hell, Mike Babcock put him on the Canadian olympic hockey team in 2014 and I think Babcock is a better judge of hockey talent than anyone on here (with all due respect). The stuff about his attitude and being a dressing room cancer I only heard from wild's posts on here. I'm not saying they aren't true but I'm also not about to paint someone with a tainted brush like that based on a Ranger wall board poster (again with all due respect). Bottom line for me is that Duchene is a talented hockey player whether or not he's a negative nellie and it's on display so far this year.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:23 pm EST

RF4L - Yeah..and Casey Middlestadt scored a beautiful goal last night!..Just busting TDCHI's hump..and, besides, it was his first point in 7 games!

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:20 pm EST

RHET - Dont bring me into it! Many different opinions/preferences/timelines on what is best for the Rangers..what makes the Wall go round.

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:00 pm EST

BTW, look who's 5th in NHL scoring today: That piece of no-good crap, ridiculously over-rated Matt Duchene.

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:57 am EST

I heard the same thing: Skinner's camp is looking for $9,000,000 per on a long term deal. Of course, the player will always start high, meaning he'll probably end up signing for something like $7,500,000 to $8,000,000 assuming he maintains his current scoring pace throughout the season. Who would you rather pay that sort of money to? Skinner or Hayes?

rf4L


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:54 am EST

RDW... Skinner said that's what it would take for him to re-sign with the Sabres. Maybe he just hates Buffalo :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:52 am EST

"You and me want the best roster, many do not." ...Stevie... So, If we don't agree with you and Hospo that means we don't want the best roster?

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:52 am EST

andrei: Not sure he gets that but who knows. Rumors came out yesterday that Skinner will be looking for 9 million per. Shit is getting crazy.

RDW


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:49 am EST

NHLRumorMill ‏ @NHLrumorsOT .... Talked to a few people this morning about the coaches being fired and one thing I learned is that Rick Nash is getting the itch to play and it would likely be CBJ. His goal is to make a firm decision in coming weeks on whether he will play this season @DarrenDreger @FriedgeHNIC

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:48 am EST

RDW, Panerin $11 mil? Not surprised. Anyone else still think that Hayes will sign for $5.5?

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:36 am EST

Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger Sounds like another coach casualty as sources suggest Ken Hitchcock is replacing Todd Mclellan on the Oilers bench.

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:34 am EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun Following Following @PierreVLeBrun More Should mention that the expectation is that Panarin's camp will be seeking $10 million to $11 million a year in his next deal whether that's in Columbus or on the open market...

RDW


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:31 am EST

Kathryn Tappen ‏ Verified account @KathrynTappen Follow Follow @KathrynTappen More Hearing the Bruins will be without top line center and 4x Selke Trophy winner Patrice Bergeron for “an extended period of time”... w/ upper body injury. The latest, and most significant, on a list of injuries for the B’s.

RDW


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:29 am EST

Hospo: I'm kind of with you regarding Hayes/Zbad, however we know what Zbad is going to cost. Who knows what Hayes gets on the open market. Do you want Hayes at an extra 3-4 years at 7 million per? I'm not opposed to trading either of them, or both, depending on what the plan is. I do think Panarin is on the radar and they will be trying to make cap space for him.

RDW


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:17 am EST

Stevie - ST. MANNY had a longer and better career than the 2 guys picked before AND the 2 guys picked after him. If ANDERSON matches that, I'd be more than satisfied. If DQ squeezes more than that out of him - ecstatic.

limbo


Tue Nov 20 2018 11:01 am EST

my question today is will Anderson windows be the next Manny malhothra ? or will he really be a 1st round #7 pick ? sure looks like Cheetos heat til is going to leave him in the dust....but with the mighty quinn at the wheel, so far they have been a lot better than expected...next milestone after game 41.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:57 am EST

E, did Shatty leave 30% on the table? It is always about money. Marleau did not leave money on the table. Toronto was the only team which offered 3 years, vs 2 years. Team offered more money, but on a two year contract. Toronto was the only team that offered 3 years. Back to Hayes. There is a ZERO chance that he will leave 30% on table, especially, to sign a shorter 3-4 deal. It's not how it works. If you want a player to take a less years, you have to offer more money. Let me remind everyone. Hayes is a pending UFA. He is all about destiny control and money. You don;t need to agree or disagree with me. History proves that i'm right. How did he end up on Rangers? Right, he used the rule book to become a UFA!!! He is not going to settle and take 30% cut to stay here. The way he plays now, he might end being a top young UFA on the market. Centers get paid. UFA centers get payed more. There is no intensive for Hayes to forgo the UFA market. Don't read into which team can offer him contract right now. Team loose in the playoffs and teams miss playoffs. Who could have predicted that Toronto will sign Tavares? There will be 10+ teams offering a max contract to Hayes. He will get $8*7 years, maybe even more. GM's panic, owners panic and they all love new shinning toys. Bidding war starts. Rangers are not going to offer him a contract in that range. Not at $8 mil rate, and certainly not 7 years. Panerin is in the same boat. He will get a max offer, maybe even in $9 mil range. If Panerin becomes a UFA, would you all rather have him then Hayes?? I know my answer. You can't have both.. I have no interest in Hayes at $8 mil per. I have no interest in Hayes for 7 more years. Rangers feel the same way. This is a reason why he will be playing somewhere else next season. At the trade deadline, Rangers will trade him to get more assets. They will get a blue chip prospect and a 1st rounder for Hayes. Looks like Panerin will be testing the waters as well. I can almost guarantee that Rangers will be going hard after him. There is a waive of Russians coming to the Rangers. I'm sure it is one of the main reasons why Panerin wants to come here.

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:52 am EST

Hospo fishpie has a backdoor for whatever he does with his letter, unless jimmyboy and the genius dictate otherwise. he can keep vets or shed them, and still be right in his own mind. You and me want the best roster, many do not. One thing for sure , he has plenty of options with signed guys versus trading them because they can be ufa or rfa.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:48 am EST

TDCHI - We actually agree on alot lately except for blaming MCleod for everything under the sun...He's a 4th line banger/locker room team leader who should be playing half the games..not trying to keep up with a skilled kid like CHYTL....From the get go this pre-season, my opinion on CHYTL was that he has the skill the Rangers need desperately..needed to be playing with 1 or 2 skilled players..and all that he needed was confidence ..playing him on a 4th line with or without Mcleod did little for him in that regard..But perhaps I am not giving DQ enough credit,,, maybe it just served as a weigh station when they worked on things in practice and kept him on the ice and on the team until the right time?? Either way, wasnt Mcleod holding him back

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:48 am EST

Stevie - you are so correct on DQ. Seems to be pushing the right buttons and his coaching style is kind exactly what we need: a COACH, not a professional tactician. I can't imagine HOWDEN and CHYTIL getting a chance (and looking pretty darn good) under AV in a million years. And this is from a guy who was not a huge AV hater. Looks like a real good hire by Gorts.

limbo


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:40 am EST

NEWFIE/ALL - Obviously two schools of thought on HAYES...After I saw the way HAYES transformed his game last year for the good of the team and was the best all around center on the team..I wanted him re-signed and somebody else (ZBAD?) traded...That doesnt mean he's the Number 1 center to win you a cup in the upcoming years ---but I think he will be a big help and moreso than ZBAD...Also, I dont think you're gonna get all that much in a trade for HAYES as compared to what you would get for multi years of ZBAD....Nothing I have seen from HAYES and ZBAD and the Rangers this season have changed my mind....of course, if you know you are not going to re-sign HAYES, you deal him for what you can get..Just dont think that is the Rangers best short and long term move..

Hospo


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:25 am EST

That should Read not about the money...

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:24 am EST

RF: and Shattenkirk left money on the table to go to NY. I mean Tavares wanted to play for the team he grew up loving. There is a willingness at some point in your career to leave a couple of million on the table to live that dream. Pat Marleau did the same. He wanted to be a Leaf since childhood. In his case he’s earned a ton of money and he’s finishing his career living his dream. So, yeah you’re right. It is about the money. Case in point me: United is on my do not fly list for virtually every grievance one can have against an airline. So I pay more to go on a different airline. And they usually don’t have as extensive number of nonstops from LAX to EWR and I have to choose JFK. Sometimes it isn’t about the money. But flying is in no way living the dream. (Yes, I’m leaving for the airport right now preparing for a meeting tomorrow morning and a 2:30p back to LA)

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 10:01 am EST

MF.... per Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... As for the other pending UFA in OTT, Mark Stone, he’s not eligible for extension until calendar flips to 2019 so there’s been no point in negotiating now for deal that can’t be closed until January. Like Duchene, the belief is, for the right deal, Stone will consider staying put.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:57 am EST

wow......Ronning has been sent down to the ECHL. That is not good for him. Don't know why I was hoping on him but he has a LONG road to follow now.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:52 am EST

VIC.... You've gone off the deep end there a bit buddy. You can't be at all objective about Hayes anymore at all. You've decided the future of three kids so you can justify the expense of keeping Hayes around. The truth is: we don't know yet how good Chytil can be and he DOES need to play center. We have no idea how good Andersson can be... And Howden? He's on pace for 17 goals and 48-49 points. How does he not have the offensive game Hayes does? That's exactly the offensive game that Hayes has... and... he's only in his rookie season. He also has more tools than Hayes. iMO, our money/resources would be better spent on signing Panarin and locking up Pionk long term. Maybe even locking up Nylander if we are fortunate enough to get him in a trade.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:43 am EST

looks like the coach trusts strome

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:37 am EST

This was a night, as Kevin Hayes was quick to point out, that Henrik Lundqvist was at his very best handling the puck, ranging behind his net to help the Rangers organize and break out crisply over the final 40 minutes against a Dallas team that had choked the life out of them during the first period that was almost entirely played below their D-zone hash marks. You know who else noticed it? The goaltender, himself. “Yeah, he came into the room and called himself, ‘Marty,’ ” Marc Staal, unable to stifle a chuckle, told The Post after Monday’s 2-1 victory at the Garden. “I told him that’s the standard we’re going to hold him to for every game.” The King’s reference was, of course, to Martin Brodeur, who not only helped the Devils’ break out during his tenure as perhaps the game’s greatest puck-handling goaltender but equally as importantly saved his defensemen from being hit a cumulative thousand times. That was also one of the net effects of Lundqvist’s expanded repertoire.

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:35 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 11h11 hours ago DQ on Chytil icing the puck with 1:46 to go, trying for the ENG: "That has 19-year-old written all over it, doesn’t it guys?'' Said he wanted to put Strome out instead of Chytil, but he'd just finished a shift. 0 replies 1 retweet 1 like Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 11h11 hours ago DQ on Chytil scoring in bunches after getting the first one: "No, I didn’t see this coming. I’d love to tell you, absolutely, I saw it coming, but no. But listen, he’s talented player and I knew once he got one, more would come. I didn’t think it would be four in a row.''

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:33 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 56m56 minutes ago Chytiljuice Chytiljuice Chytiljuice Chytiljuice 4 games, 4 straight goals!

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 9:01 am EST

From carp's column on last night's game: “It all starts with my feet,” Lundqvist said. “I’m moving less this year. I’m relying on my reads and reaction. For a couple years now I’ve been moving a little bit more, I’ve been challenging shooters, and now I’ve come back to the way I played for almost 10 years. I think very consistent, waiting for the puck, reading the shot, and I think it gives me a little more time to react too. I like how I feel out there. I feel comfortable. That’s a good feeling.” What the King didn't say is that this year, with the team playing better defense and not chasing players everywhere, things are less chaotic so he doesn't have to move in his crease as much.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:59 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger Following Following @aj_ranger More Alex Nunn Retweeted ??? Vitaly Kravtsov is going to the KHL All-Star Game. #NYR

RDW


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:50 am EST

And if the plan isn't to go for a top 3 pick in the draft this year the Rangers might as well resign HAYES even at $7 Million per or more. There will be no more talent coming up through the system at Center for the foreseeable future. CHEETOS wont be ready to play top 6 playoff Center for years. And ANDERSSON will most likely top out as a good 3rd line Center. HOWDEN is a great two way player but doesn't have the offensive game that HAYES does.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:43 am EST

So, I thought since we were again bashing McLEOD this morning I would take a second to say that last night might have been his best game as a Ranger. He was very physical and good on the forcheck. He also stayed out of the box. Overall I don't have a huge issue with him being in the lineup. Sure, I'd rather have someone better but I don't think he is hurting the Rangers or the kids at all. CHEETOS didnt score playing with him because CHEETOS was playing lost and confused hockey. When he started to get his game together and get some confidence DQ moved him up. LETTIERI didn't fail because of McLEOD. LETTIERI failed because of LETTIERI. And ANDERSSON isn't scoring because ANDERSSON isnt a scorer. Not at the NHL level.

Vic


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:40 am EST

Rf4l heat til didn’t deserve more ice time, but the mighty Quinney pushed the right buttons , maybe slower than he could have. So far I like the results the coach is getting. He is definitely hands on , and not overly emotional or cerebral . He’s a lot better than I expected from a rookie coach .

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:35 am EST

Whatever happens with gabby Purple haze is mostly the result of fishpie decisions. He probably will try to resign him, if not he gets traded. I assume in the deal he wanted there was a ntc. And he will still want that. Hopefully there was some kind of gentlemen’s agreement .

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 8:22 am EST

Tavares took $2,000,000 less than SJ offered to play in Toronto so yes, sometimes players do take discounts. Bottom line I think is this: He wants $7,000,000, he's gone.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:51 am EST

andrei - Players DO take less money to play in certain areas. There are countless examples of them --so many that it'll be easier for you to use Google than for me to type them all out. Second, the shit about the taxes is misleading at best. It's a common misnomer that has been parroted and repeated throughout the league. The benefit players get by playing in a lesser taxed state are minimal, at best, because at least half of the players' salary is taxed based on the municipality he was playing in. If HAYES is going to get $7 to $8 million(he won't), then great. Trade him. You're totally missing the point, which is that if the guy can be signed for a reasonable contract...and I frankly think he can be...then he should be signed...now RFAs...See, there's this guy NYLANDER who seems to balk this point your making...RFAs can hold out. And they do. Often. Are they going to get the same payout someone on the open market will? Of course not...but guess what? Here's another little something you don't factor in: Hayes is not a UFA. Nor will he be one until July 1. The Rangers have him as a captive audience from January until July...I get it. You're pissed off that the team isn't losing every game and you'd like to find a way to get them there. But frankly, I'm kind of happy where they are. And if there's a chance for Hayes to resign here, then they should sign him. You and I can prognosticate until the cows come home. But you're full of shit if you think you can predict what he is or will ask for because you don't. It's all speculative. It's all opinion. And mine is that you're a fool if you think it's a good idea to trade Hayes at this juncture and before he lays out his terms.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:47 am EST

stevie: LOL...it was part linemates but more reduced icetime and no PP time. Given his emergence I like to think DQ actually knew what he was doing with Chytil's handling, just as I like to think he knows what he's doing when he dresses the much maligned McLeod so frequently. We all have a very narrow vision into the team - anyone who's played a team sport competitively knows and understands the inner-workings of the room can be as important as the collective skillset on the team. A fractured dressing room is the bane of any team. A close knit dressing room can serve to make the whole greater than the sum of its parts. McLeod, I believe, is an important component within the room. That and his physical play are surely the 2 main reasons he's on the team.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:43 am EST

andrei: Fortunately, the Rangers have a little time to figure out exactly what Hayes wants. He cannot resign until January but you can be sure some informal talks are going on. If he was asking for top $$ last summer nothing he's done to date would suggest he needs to step back from those demands. I concur that if it's in the $7,000,000 to $8,000,000 he has to go. I suspect the deal would include at least 1 pick that would turn into a first if he resigns with the club that trades for him.

rF4l


Tue Nov 20 2018 7:42 am EST

so heat til's problem wasn't anything more than his line-mates ? .....there goes luck and confidence out the window.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 20 2018 5:34 am EST

tdchi, again dude, why do you think that you can be smarter then a player agent? Why in the world would Hayes take anything else then a max contract when he is a UFA??? Ziba was RFA when he signed. Nylander is RFA. You can't use a RFA is a matrix when it comes to a UFA market.. Hayes is UFA. He will get a max from numerous teams. The way he plays now, Hayes will get close to $8 mil per 7 years. Centers will always get payed, especially young UFA. There is a 0 chance he will take $5.5 to play in NY. Zero. No one take 30% cut to play in NYC, where he is paying about 48% in taxes. He might take $7.2 from LV, or Florida, or Dallas (not to say those teams have cap room), but they can offer slightly less, due to no State Tax. Rangers are not dumb. I'm sure over the summer they run numbers with the agent and both parties came to the same conclusion. He is not signing in NYC because he is not getting the $ he is looking for. Instead he signed 1 year contract. Same thing happen last year with Miller. Rangers maid it clear that they are not interested in $5+ over 5 he was looking for.. Rangers are not paying a 2nd line center $8 mil. Same story with Zuc. Zuc will get $5.5-$6 per 3-4 years on the UFA market, which means he will be playing on another team..

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 3:00 am EST

E - Are you sure that was STAAL? I saw FOGERTY get ragdolled...just dumped hard. I thought it was SEGUIN who did it...Fogs isn't a small boy either...

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:59 am EST

CHYTIL - MAN. So if this is what we get for sticking rookies on a line with iClod, then maybe I'm undervaluing his presence on the team...He's sort of like those weights young players put on their skates for conditioning...once they're off...whoah, look out! Can only hope that when ANDERSSON is finally unshackled from that cinderblock that he response like Chytil has...Kid is seriously on fire. Glad to see it.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:57 am EST

One of the best lines tonight...not surprisingly, IMO, was VESEY-HOWDEN-STROME...Howden has been phenomenal. Every time he's out there, the offense charges up...STROME - I gotta admit, I don't remember him being as slow as he's looking...could be in part just the exhaustion from swapping clubs from as far northwest as you get to NYC...but nonetheless, I still think he's a phenomenal acquisition for the Rangers...he is freeing up a lot of room for Howden and Vesey to move...He's also a lot more physical than I remember...and I think when he gets used to this system, his offense will kick in...I know Edmonton fans are salty about him...but I think a lot of that has to do with who the lost to get him, and not the player Strome is. We lost a guy who was never getting back in the lineup. They lost a perennial 20-goal scorer.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:48 am EST

Gotta say I liked Marc STAAL'S game today. Thought he played real strong...He's been playing really well along side PIONK...and part of that, I'm sure, is a reflection of how well PIONK is playing...but they really compliment each other well.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 2:45 am EST

Melvillefred - I'm with you, re: HAYES...It seems to me that there are some who believe his looming multi-year contract will be $7 million plus and that it will be one that will hamstring us for years on end...these same folks seem to think ridiculously that there is a "logjam" at center, which in and of itself is ridiculous...but I won't go down that rabbit hole again...I tried to get a little perspective from one of the Blueshirt Bulletin clowns the other day and this was essentially his argument: HAYES is going to sign a contract that takes him into his 30s and will be well over what he is worth and that essentially, he's on the downside of his career, and no center who signs a big deal at his age is ever anything more than headache for his team...I frankly think this is even more preposterous than arguing that we have a "logjam" at center, which oddly enough, is ALSO an argument this clown tried to make...For me, it comes down to this: What can HAYES fetch you and what does he want for a contract...Seems to me that if you offered him a deal around the same terms as the on inked by ZIBANEJAD...say between $5.3 and $5.5 million over five or six years...that you'd have him locked...and that's a good thing. I don't see the downside to a deal like that...even if guys like HOWDEN and CHYTIL and ANDERSSON are making cases for a top-line center's position, it's not like that kind of contract can't be moved...So what is Hayes worth on the open market? Well, first of all, he's a UFA...so the only teams that are going to be bidding for him are the ones who are playoff-bound or believe this is their only chance to sign him...And what is he going to get you? Well, I think you're looking at a solid prospect and a high draft pick...The real question for the Rangers is whether what they get back for Hayes will help them now...because I don't think they're going to move him for pieces that are two and three years away...For me, the only real way I would want to trade Hayes would be to get someone like NYLANDER...where you're moving a quality player to get a quality player...and those deals are tough to make.

tdchi


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:46 am EST

with #4 close behind??? https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/fire-the-coach-fire-the-gm-yes-yes-and-yes

mf


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:46 am EST

Melvillefred, let me ask you this. Do you see Hayes as Ranger's future number 1 center?

andrei


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:39 am EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... Mike Yeo becomes the 3rd head coach to lose his job this season. Blues name Craig Berube interim coach.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:24 am EST

And yes, lets not spend too much time thinking about winning/losing streaks. They are on a razors edge between winning/losing. Right now they are falling on the right side of something that they just as easily could be a losing streak. And to be sure I expect a fairly ugly stretch still to come. Thats just the mark of a team that's young and trying to grow. But I gotta give it to DQ. He is pushing the right buttons.

E


Tue Nov 20 2018 12:21 am EST

HOSPO: I agree, Zib is too much with the stick and not nearly enough with the body but he is a strong boy these days. I still think he has another gear/potential if he'd work a little harder to create space for himself and of course finish his checks with more oomph. .

E


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:56 pm EST

At 8-1-1 in their last 10, the New York Rangers are the hottest team in the league.

evets1980


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:55 pm EST

I’m trying to understand why the majority of this wall wants to move Hayes!?!? Makes no sense to me. The guy is finally hitting his stride and now we want to get rid of him!?

Melvillefred


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:33 pm EST

Now Hospo you know very well what my thought is on moving forward...…..…….put Hayes on the trade block so fast his head would spin. Not part of the future that I see at all. JMHO.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:20 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 1h Marc Staal with the #NYR Broadway Hat tonight

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:20 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 15m "Hard work feels good." - #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:18 pm EST

“(It even resulted in a pretty good headline from the Rangers’ Twitter account — Chytilmania! — as the young Czech’s name is pronounced “heat-til.”)”

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:14 pm EST

“I think hockey instincts take over,” coach David Quinn said Monday morning. “There is a lot of this game you don’t coach. A lot is just natural instincts and letting players play and giving them the opportunity to make decisions. Because you can’t draw everything up in this game. People are in different positions an awful lot.“

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:07 pm EST

Andrew, I get it, the reality of this rebuild isn’t what you were expecting. But damn, I am enjoying this team. And Hank is not just winning because he’s lucky. But don’t worry, we are the best No ember team every year. Your losses will come and the exodus will begin soon enough. Enjoy the good games while they are here.

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:51 pm EST

NEWFIE - That was to you!

Hospo


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:51 pm EST

There's not a a young vet on the Rangers that the "should have by now" hasn't applied in some fasion..But I'm seeing alot of step forwards by guys like Kreider, Hayes, Vesey, BUCH in hs last few games, even ZBAD here and there..Not to mention some of the really young guys...Gonna be interesting to see waht The Rangers have in mind the rest of the yeaar if these guys keep moving forward

Hospo


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:50 pm EST

Rhet - HA! So true. The HUGHES kid looks real special. Of course he’ll go to PIT or NJD and torture us for years.

Limbo


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:38 pm EST

tlats…………….yes, but that is just the problem, he doesn't know when to shoot and when to pass. He kinda should've figured that out by now.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:04 pm EST

Poink 24 minutes staal 22

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:59 pm EST

Nyr in 2 Nd place in metropolitan

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:56 pm EST

No use for Hughes when you have Cheetos. Otbg knows.

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:53 pm EST

Good game, no complaints!!!

theDugster


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:49 pm EST

I have never been a big Hayes fan but he is starting to grow on me a little bit. What I am seeing this year is how lethal of a shot he has I just wish he would use it more.

tlats


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:48 pm EST

No, Huges will go to Pittsburgh and they will dominate us for another 5-10 years.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:46 pm EST

Guess there no Hughes for the nyr .

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:40 pm EST

2 hottest teams over the last 10: NYR and DET

Limbo


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:39 pm EST

E -ZBAD is big, fast and has some strength..just doesnt use it eonugh...So, is Kevin Hayes the team's #1 center becasue the Rangers are trying to up his trade value or becasue DQ really like his game and loves to rely on him in hopes of winning?..Onlt saw bits and pieces, but looked like a good team defensive effort by the Rangers

Hospo


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:31 pm EST

This team is fun to watch!

rngrsans


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:31 pm EST

Zib’s strength as he’s grown is impressive. He got a little under Benn but Benn got bounced onto his wallet. Speaking of strong, Seguin. He one handed Mark Staal like he was 5’6. He stood up Fast on a check. Kinda like LeTang. They are deceptively strong.

E


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:27 pm EST

Ohhhh, Chytil may be in the dog house for that one. Just a little bit.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:24 pm EST

Look at Hank with no rebound.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:23 pm EST

No one thinks Russell Brand is funny. No one.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:22 pm EST

I know that this probably jinxed them and the ever-frightening 6 on 5 is still to come, but the Rangers have played a very good 3rd period here.

Bob


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:10 pm EST

GO CHYTIL GO!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:07 pm EST

MF... Yeah, that could be the straw that broke the camels back for Florida. They might just throw in the towel on the season now. Who knows?

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:05 pm EST

They should put him back with Mcleod!

MC


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:02 pm EST

RHET: ouch, that looks like a torn ligament in the knee..... Oh those f_ckers are painful.....

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:01 pm EST

CHYTILMANIA

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:01 pm EST

Hi Deetle Deetle, way to go CHYTLE !!!!

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:00 pm EST

CHEETOOOOOOOS@@@@@1

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:54 pm EST

Did anyone break their stick on the crossbar after that first Dallas goal??

RF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:46 pm EST

This is not pretty..... #FlaPanthers Vincent Trochek with a nasty looking injury. The stretcher is coming out here. #Sens ....https://twitter.com/nhlsensandstuff/status/1064693126177030145

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:44 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ... Jimmy Vesey has tallied a point in six of the last nine games, and he has recorded eight points (four goals, four assists) in the nine contests. Ten of Vesey’s 11 points this season have either been a goal or the primary assist on a goal. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:38 pm EST

Here's the video of that Vesey goal... https://www.nhl.com/video/vesey-nets-a-crafty-backhander/t-299997936/c-63081703

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:20 pm EST

What a F-G goal by VC!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:16 pm EST

6 shots on net part way thru the 2nd? Lose for Hughes!!!

RF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:29 pm EST

Here’s a good test for McLEOD: if he does anything for this team, he should be drilling RADULOV for the hit on NAMESTNIKOV and die for his ridiculous Greg Louganis imitation. If he doesn’t, he’s even more useless than I thought.

tdchi


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:29 pm EST

Legs: A Ronzoni? The man opens up about his challenges with lines and you offer a noodle? Good lookin out Legs, not!

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:25 pm EST

Weird penalty calls tonight. Must be ghosts on the ice.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:24 pm EST

Hayes is going to have one of those nights.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:12 pm EST

LGR!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:07 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ... It's official. Skjei, Zuccarello are the Rangers scratches.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:57 pm EST

https://youtu.be/25wviijhpQk

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:52 pm EST

McKenzie on PIT: "Rutherford is very much open for business...Just about anything and everything is on the table, I think it is very safe to speculate that the list of untouchable players on the Penguins roster starts and ends with Crosby and Malkin, and that would be about it."

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:51 pm EST

Hmmmm, that's old.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:49 pm EST

The Hockey Commissioners Association (HCA) recognized Wisconsin freshman defenseman K’Andre Miller as the HCA National Rookie of the Month for October, the organization announced on Thursday.... https://blueshirtbulletin.com/news/miller-named-hca-national-rookie-month/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:30 pm EST

Projected NYR lineup... 90-93-17... 20-13-72... 26-21-16.... 8-50-38.... 18-44.... 33-22... 42-77.... 30

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 6:14 pm EST

????? ..... per Brian Compton ‏ Verified account @BComptonNHL .... Craig Patrick returning to #Pens as a pro scout.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:43 pm EST

For those of you that are NYY fans... per Jeff Passan ‏ Verified account @JeffPassan ... Source: James Paxton has been traded to the New York Yankees.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:31 pm EST

This is the link... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1064640785147207680

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:16 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 11m11 minutes ago #NYR Coach Quinn talks about Strome, Fogarty, lineup updates and more before the Blueshirts take on Dallas tonight @TheGarden.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:15 pm EST

Quinn refuses to call this a “rebuild” because of the false narrative that creates...like this expectation that the Rangers will “tank” to get a better draft position...and if we look at Gorton’s deadline dealing, something that becomes immediately clear is that the only guy they traded who would have been under contract was J.T. MILLER. Everyone else was going to be left to test the free agency market...as I said before, there is a very distinct core for this team. That core is made up of vets who have been with the team through its strong years and know what it’s like to win...You can argue that it’s not very strong or good...but it’s what the Rangers have that rebuilding teams do not...now does this mean they won’t trade ZUCC or HAYES? Hell no. But it raises the question of whether they will...because they weren’t moved in the off-season...and...well...the Rangers under QUINN still are showing they want to win. Not in three years. Not in a season. Win now.

tdchi


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:07 pm EST

CoMark... I have been complaining that for the last two years. Colin Stephenson now does the NYR for Newsday(replacing Gross). He's good for news breaks but he doesn't interact on Twitter with the fans like Gross or Zipay did. Zipay of course retired. Leslie Treff is terrific. She covers the NYR/NJD for NY Sportsday and is also pretty knowledgable about the Wolf Pack (though she is spread kind of thin). the NY Daily News is very limited in it's sports coverage these days and doesn't cover hockey as much anymore. As RDW mentioned, Carp talks about the NYR a lot but you have to get a subscriptions to the Athletic to follow him.... Maybe NYR fans should start a campaign to get Gross back ? ‏ ....Hospo... Fogarty can be/has been a pretty good RW. He can also be a pretty solid power forward. I'd like to see him get time on the 2nd PP unit in front of the net.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 5:02 pm EST

RF4L - Dont be so fast to pile dirt on the Penguins.or expect a tank...Loose defense as always but their main problem has been that MURRAY has been beyond atrocious (possibly due to concussions?)..They will turn it over to DeSMith (like they did with Murray) and/or seek an upgrade .................As for the Ranger fan connundrom, pretty easy for me..I know they have to pile up a little more young talent.and not making the POs and/or losing isnt the worst thing in the world for that, i just wont accept anything other than trying to win now not saying Go for The Cup!) ...because if this team cant compete for a PO spot now (and still grow) with the young veterans it has, that means they are in real dire straights and it's gonna be 5 years of total roster turnover and non-compete before we can contend..I dont think that is or should be the case with what they have now and with smart GMIng..We shall see

Hospo


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:53 pm EST

rf if the gms would replace 1-2 guys every year, they might be successful....even the nyr have to do it this year and every year....but not with scrubs..

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:49 pm EST

plenty of opinions.....fishpie actions tell the story.....Tyler™ ‏ @tytybakes 47m47 minutes ago Replying to @NYCTheMiC @matsp727 @BrettCyrgalis This season is not playoff or rebuild. It’s building a culture of winning. They simply don’t have the talent to compete against solid playoff teams. Hank is gonna carry for now, but giving George these small starts will help him further down the road, whether it be in HFD or NYR ............. BlueCollarBlueShirts ‏ @NYCTheMiC 16m16 minutes ago Replying to @tytybakes @matsp727 @BrettCyrgalis That’s why the word rebuild sounds nice, these players don’t GAF about that. They are playing for their jobs/$$$/way of life/pride. NYR & Q believes in playoffs. They will just burn Hank out if they get there & it will be same old story at the end.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:36 pm EST

stevie: I don't think either club is tanking on purpose. However, as with the Rangers last year, when you're a club that's been successful for a long period of time and consequently, your core is aging, there comes a time in the season where it's only logical to look at what you have and make a decision. 5 cups between those clubs with essentially the same core. LA is in worse shape than Pittsburgh and I suspect the latter will rebound. To what extent remains to be seen. BTW, the Hawks are another team in a similar bind. 3 cups with the same core that's aging. Don't be surprised to see one of these teams land Hughes or the French wiz predicted to go 1st overall June 2020.

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:28 pm EST

andrei: Obviously, you are looking at things strictly objectively while others more emotionally. I see both sides. I cannot help myself want to see the Rangers win when I watch them - it's the innate fan in me. At the same time I believe as you do: You cannot win a cup without elite talent and the only way to get elite talent now is via drafting in the top 3. Compounding things here is the fact that it's obvious the Rangers (management specifically) is not prepared for what you are desiring. While last year they threw in the towel, something I was all for (seeing as I’d been calling for a rebuild for 2 years before that), not so much this year. If they wanted a 2nd consecutive bottoming out, they wouldn't have hired DQ , Lundqvist would be playing at the most, every 2nd game, Strome wouldn't have been acquired for Spooner and the likes of Howden, Andersson, Chytil and Poink would all be in Hartford. I am assuming management likes what they see and while finishing in the bottom 5 wouldn’t be all bad because of the draft pick slot, they are also prepared to rebuild without landing such a luxury. Surely you see that? So what’s a fan to do? Hope the King and all those rookies either get hurt or suck (or both)? I surely can’t. So I root for them when I watch, my attention and passion more focused on the rookies/young players vs anyone else and if/when they play like crap, I get pissed and vent on here (while also thinking – well maybe more of these and they’ll get a high pick) . It really is a conundrum…

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:25 pm EST

Leslie Treff ‏ @HFNYRangers Following Following @HFNYRangers More Ty Ronning has been assigned today to the Rangers ECHL affiliate in Maine. He get playing time there; maybe he is the next Tom Pyatt?

RDW


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:21 pm EST

playpens and lala are tanking on purpose ? 1 coach down, 1 to go.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:15 pm EST

Irving moofman, Italian, a ronzoni, runs only when you push it.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 4:08 pm EST

CM: Carp does for The Athletic but you need a subscription to see it

RDW


Mon Nov 19 2018 3:55 pm EST

Okay, Andrew Gross was the best daily beat writer covering the Rangers in recent years as far as I'm concerned. I used to be able to follow him on Twitter and I'd get at least a daily update from practice. Who the F cobers the Rangers like that now and why am I not following them? Anyone? Bueller? Seriously. Brooks only writes opinion pieces. Brett Crygilis (have no idea how to spell or say it!) does the other stuff, but not with any consistency. The RFC front page shows nothing but Blueshirt SNY or whatever stuff. Please help if you know anything to help! Thanks

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 19 2018 3:45 pm EST

He's not getting this, but he can ask for it all he want's.... "Buffalo Sabres forward Jeff Skinner is reportedly asking for an 8-year deal with an AAV of $9-9.5 million if the Sabres want to keep him from hitting the open market, per Jeremy White of WGR Buffalo. #Sabres"

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 3:03 pm EST

SLegs: you thinking a John Deere or an import?

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 3:02 pm EST

Rhet: In my book the Smurf club is more than just stature, it includes whether the player tends to prefer the periphery, and whether they will battle along the boards and come away with the puck or at least help regain possession... I'm not saying Zucc is a Smurf in playing style, in stature most definitely.. Spooner smurf, Namstnikov has Smurf tendancies......

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 2:55 pm EST

Steven Fogary is only 25, but he looks like he could easily pass for 30. He would be a good guy for Chytil, Andersson and Howden to go out drinking with. Of course, he would have to buy their drinks. Fogarty is going to stick with the #38 (2 times his #19, which he can't have on the NYR). If it were me, I would've gone with 91, but that's just me.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 2:48 pm EST

RHET - Doesnt change the fact (OK, my opinion) that NIEVES sucks! That aside maybe Fogarty was/is mainly a center now..maybe they should have called up a different wing , i dont know..up to them who to call up when they need a WING..Obviosuly they decided on FOGARTY.. but i at least remember him playing wing for the Rangers in pre-season (and playing well) and for games with the Wolfpack..Have never seen Nieves anywhere else..

Hospo


Mon Nov 19 2018 2:46 pm EST

So glad we are winning meaningless games, while Shitsburg and LA are tanking and might end up with the 1st overall pick. Love how people are pushing for a playoff and maybe even spend assets getting a player a or two for a phantom run.. We can ruin "winning culture".. Another useless term. What is a "winning culture" really mean? Is it winning in the regular season or winning in the playoffs? Did Caps had a winning culture last 10-15 years while loosing playoffs series one after another? To me, you can only have a winning culture when you win a cup. Once team does it, then they know what it takes to win. If so, then is the fear of not having a winning culture while we go trough the rebuild?? just so we are on the same page.. This is not a winning team. This is all smoking mirrors, covered by Hankie playing almost every game and getting lucky bounces every game, when opposite team hits multiple goalposts every game. At some point, very soon, it will be over. Team will go on a loosing streak.. You can't roll out D core, like we have, and expect to win every game..

andrei


Mon Nov 19 2018 2:08 pm EST

MF.... Again, the average height of the NHL is coming down. It's currently moving towards 6'0." A lot of guys entering the NHL will also be 5'11." Calling Nylander a smurph is a bit ridiculous. Do you consider Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr or Wayne Gretzky to be smurphs? They are all 6 foot tall. Sidney Crosby, Joe Sakic and Steve Yzerman are all 5'11" tall, are they all smurphs too? Would you prefer a player that is 5'11" with a lot of talent or a guy 6'3" with not so much talent?

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:53 pm EST

E you have a rider vacuum ? new ones have laser sights....lol....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:49 pm EST

Watch-it VIC! & Yu Tu Hu Flung Turd!

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:47 pm EST

Vitali Kravtsov registered a power play goal in Traktor's overtime win on Nov. 14 against Vityaz. The Rangers' first round pick (ninth overall) in the 2018 NHL Entry Draft has recorded 12 points (four goals, eight assists) in 26 KHL games this season, and he has tallied a point in four of the last five KHL games he has played, and he has recorded five points (one goal, four assists) over the span. The 18-year-old leads all KHL players younger than 20 years old in assists and points this season. Kravtsov has registered twice as many points as any other KHL player younger than 20 years old this season, and he also has more assists (eight) than any other KHL player younger than 20 years old has points (six) thus far in 2018-19.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:45 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Your #NYR Prospect Three Stars of the Week: 1. Hughes: 3GP, 4-1--5. 2. Wall: 2-0-0, 1.00 GAA, .971 SV% 3. Barron: Goal and tied for the game-high with four shots on goal on Nov. 16 vs. Quinnipiac.... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-prospect-report-111918/c-302084124

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:40 pm EST

RF4L:. BOUCHARD is the new MIKE GREEN.....

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:40 pm EST

E: Don't freak-out, I'd recommend trying to transition to NYR Line Bingo as a way to step down the intensity, but it may have an adverse affect... We'll come up with something, keep the faith...

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:32 pm EST

MF: You can't claim to OCD until you've spent a day in my life. I freak out when I vacuum and the lines aren't straight. I'll redo the whole room until they are perfect. And then no one can walk in and actually use the room.

E


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:29 pm EST

Melissa Pallini ‏ @matsp727 2h2 hours ago Replying to @NYCTheMiC @BrettCyrgalis Quinn has repeatedly said this is not a rebuild.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:23 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 2h2 hours ago Zuccarello is out, according to DQ. Lundqvist in goal tonight, Georgiev will get a game this week. DQ said he still has not decided yet if Skjei will be going back in tonight.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:01 pm EST

RF4L: It's my PHD in OCD & ADD

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 1:00 pm EST

Hospo... I hate to break it to you but Steven Fogarty is a center. Like many centers, he can play center or wing well, just like Nieves. Fun Fact: Nieves (Michigan) eliminated Fogarty(Notre Dame) from the NCAA Tournament (which was both players final season in the NCAA--and both played center) ...RF4L... I mentioned on Saturday the very real possibility that the Penguins could be picking Jack Hughes. There is no way that team should be anywhere near the bottom of the standings by the end of the season, but I wouldn't put it past them either. You just know that if they're in the bottom five of the standings, they're "magically" getting the number one overall pick.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 12:53 pm EST

mf: Your obsession with Bouchard is bordering the neurotic! ;^)

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 12:48 pm EST

So, that little proposal of mine would net us: MARK STONE and KREIDER as our 1st and 2nd line LW's, NYLANDER & PANARIN as your 1st & 2nd RW's with BUCHNEVICH challenging to unseat them.... The entire team would be younger than 28 except for Marc Staal, who's out of here after next season afaic

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 12:38 pm EST

#NYR Zuccarello is out, according to DQ. Lundqvist in goal tonight, Georgiev will get a game this week. DQ said he still has not decided yet if Skjei will be going back in tonight.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 19 2018 12:32 pm EST

NCRanger/VIC/R47 good stuff: a few things come to mind, first and foremost can we agree that only half the teams ever land that #1 prototypical 1st line center that is being referred to? ... Short of that I like the idea of trying to land as many as three 1B centers for the top 3 lines with our best defensive center lining up against a teams top line center "WHEN we face one of the 15 teams with a true top 1A center such as a Crosby, McDavid, Taveras, etc...... Our advantage would then come from our second line outplaying the opponents 2nd line, and our 3rd line would theoretically outclass the opponents 3rd, and with a guy like STROME and the right wings, our forth would be a shutdown and threat to score line.............. OAN: "IF" the season were to end today, there isn't a Wallbanger here who would have correctly named the teams competing in this season's "suck-fest." LA, STL, PITT, FLA,NJ, PHILTHY, out-classing the odds on favorites to outsuck the suckiest namely OTT, ARI, EDM...... Which leads me to the rebuild, retank, remodel, repeat: Our chances of signing UFA's is way higher and certain than winning the draft lottery: we're actually in good position thanks to SLegs buddy FISHPIE.... We have a deep draft approaching, we have players that can be converted to draft picks, AND, we have a couple of attractive UFA's which may be attainable...... IMO ZUCC has to be one of the players moved for picks, especially if he can fetch us a 1st round pick... A 1st round pick gives us another chance in the Lottery... IMO we should go after NYLANDER, if we're going to offer a long term deal with substantial dollars involved he fits the age category to do so very well, he's 22...... AFAIC, NYLANDER falls into the SMURF category and that's another reason to move ZUCC... As someone just mentioned, maybe we resign ZUCC as a free agent...... ALSO: IMO we must continue to sign centers and RHS Defensemen and should consider moving SKJEI to make a trade.... We should continue drafting Centers and RHS Defenseman, to a point where we have a comfort level of depth, and go through our LHS Dmen like a hot knife thru butter until we identify the best of our crop and cut bait on the others as soon as possible while the rest of the league thinks they are better than they are..... LHS Dmen are plentyfull, therefore if we're going to be weak on one side of the Defense it should be the LHS and not the RHS, that's why I want BOUCHARD so badly and if we can unload HANK to TBL I want CALLE FOOTE and I want the conditional pick we got from TBL last year which is a 2nd round pick this year UNLESS TBL wins the CUP, it becomes a 1st round pick.... IF we can trade HANK I'd ask TBL to make that pick a guaranteed 1st rounder for this year AND, I would ask for the same conditions for next year as part of the trade... HANK for Calle Foote, Next years 2nd which would become a 1st if they win the CUP Next Season, and we'd need to eat some Salary.... IF this is not enough, adjust/tinker to balance it out....... SKJEI + a forward + GILMORE + a 2nd rounder to EDM should get us BOUCHARD and their 1st..... Adjust to get the fucker done..... (Someone mentioned trading GETTINGER, I think it's way too early for that, He could become a 3rd line powerforward, this is a big kid who may need 3 years to really fill out his body and talent level) ...... Who did I forget? BRENDAN SMITH and his $4.35 mill, convert, his ass into a 2nd round pick, dump his salary and start revolving our LHS D'men kids in and out of the Ranger Line-up to get their collective BEAKS wet to the pace of the NHL, and send them back down....... TORONTO / NYLANDER/ SHATTENKIRK....... With the emergence of PIONK and possibly DEANGELO, SHATTENKIRK may be expendable, and if I'm TORONTO, I'm listening....... "IF" you/we manage to land BOUCHARD from EDM in a deal prior to, or damn near simultaneously as we trade with TORONTO, SHATTENKIRK is even more expendable (we're not talking 3 way trades here LEGS!) Pipedream a minute here that PIONK/DEANGELO/BOUCHARD/CALLE FOOT are your 4 RHS Dmen vying for 3 spots, that's a dilemma worth watching...... Then sign PANARIN & MARK STONE in the offseason... As long as the Team plays solid TEAM DEFENSE, which I am confident QUINNY will accomplish, maybe just maybe this rebuild will have excell to a level above "mucking it up in mediocrity." ........ NOTE: If NYLANDER sits out the season and a team tries to sign him as an RFA, there's a hefty compensation owed Toronto because NYLANDER won't be cheap, that's a little motivation to get a trade done in these next 10 days before December 1st....... end of rant, as always, I'm a broken record.....

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:53 am EST

The trade deadline remains three months away, and that most certainly will – for the second year in a row – be the most interesting part of the season for the Rangers. They’re going to be sellers again in Year 2 of this rebuild, looking to gather more young assets and picks and looking to shed salary cap space to potentially make a run at some youngish free agents. There are trades to be had, trades to be made, and trades to come all around the NHL before then. It’s just that, well, Rangers GM Jeff Gorton isn’t, and doesn’t need to be, in any hurry given the direction of the organization and especially given that the mission statement is to make moves that only benefit the future. So even if the Rangers continue to have relative success and are among the many (mediocre) teams in the race for the final bunch of Eastern Conference playoff spots, they won’t be making a move for now … unless it also helps down the road. And they will...

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:42 am EST

RF: for Pitt the nice thing is that their core is so good that they can flush a lot of their lineup and come right back as a contender the next season. Which begs the question: why can Pittsburgh do something like that with Malkin, LeTang, and Crosby and Edmonton is no closer with Draisatal and McDavid? Does any team do less with more?

E


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:18 am EST

I tend to agree w/ NYStranger and Vic on how we continue to build moving forward. I believe the group of Hayes, Zucc, McQuaid, and Smith have to be in play for continued youth and growth for the long term. Otherwise I too, believe this will be much like the last run, devoid of a top line center this team will need to make that legitimate cup run. By all accounts this next draft will be a very deep one (hence, why Pitt is making their annual tankathon to start. This is always a good leading indicator) and the Rangers could find themselves w/ a legitimate shot at a true #1C with as deep as the talent pool could be. If they continue playing the way they have been, their own 1st will not be lucky to be in the mid-teens at this point. Not sure they can sustain the current level of play, but I must admit that the DQ effect has been much more impactful then I ever could have imagined. It would be a good idea to begin shopping for #1's from teams that may be ripe for the taking...I would love a shot at EDM's #1, especially knowing how mis-managed that organization is from top down. Would they consider Hayes now for their #1? Maybe throw in a lesser prospect, like a Gettinger as part of the package to get it done? He could easily slot in as the #2 center behind McDavid and provide more balance. I'd also love Col. #1 from the Sens, although I think that would be costly and would likely involve Kreids +. I hope management isn't fooled by the current play, despite how much the team has overachieved. The longer term view should remain on accumulating draft capital and youth, w/ a goal towards organically developing that #1C....which we've never done as long as I've been around. That's at least 4+ decades. As a sidenote, I was talking to a CLB fan while I was at the game in OH last week and they've all but conceded on retaining Panarin. I was told that his girlfriend is a model, and wants to be in a larger market so that's where the push is coming from. NYR could easily sign him in the offseason if they want him, and would be foolish to trade any assets for him.

NCRanger


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:15 am EST

R47: And that is exactly my fear. Because in that scenario the Rangers are once again weak down the middle. They have depth but not the top end talent that can take over games. There is no CROSBY, MALKIN, MATTHEWS, etc. They will be playing teams with those types of players and they won't have anyone to match up against them for 25 minutes or more a night in the playoffs. Unless some miracle happens and all the stars align for them they won't be able to go on a deep playoff run or win a Cup if they do. It will be repeat of what we saw the previous 5 years.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:09 am EST

STROME: really like the trade: SPOONER was in our smurf category along with starters NAMESTNIKOV & ZUCC possibly LETTIERI (who's back down in Hartford) and at times "last year" dare I say BUCHNEVICH?. I think STROME has a chance to be a great 3rd-4th line center/wing.... Love the fact that he was a 1st round #5 overall pick, RHS, and defensively aware... This is a guy who "may" be a go to guy when you're hanging on to a one goal lead and you need to shut down the opponent. Additionally, this guy just may surprise with some very timely goals / helpers playing against lower lines. QUINN is getting into our Rangers ears, and there is no reason NOT to be cautiously optimistic that he will have positive results with STROME who needed a fresh slate and to be removed from whatever ails Edmonton.....jmo folks..........

mf


Mon Nov 19 2018 11:09 am EST

Vic: They can (and should) replace/trade pieces they won't need in a couple of years like Zucc, Vesey, Skjei, Stall, McQuad, Claussen, Smith, etc. But if you couple Panarin with Kravtsov, Filip Chytil, Lias Andersson, Brett Howden, K’Andre Millerand the rest of the Rangers’ future core and even if just a handful of those players work out the way they should, the Rangers could be back in Stanley Cup contention within the next two or three years. The big question mark would be whether Shestyorkin is the real deal. Obviously I'd love to have someone like Hughes in this mix but I think this team may be too good to get into the top 5 draft spot. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out and what Ranger mgmt ultimately does.

Ranger47


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:59 am EST

R47: My only issue with that plan is that it means the rebuild is over. Basically to me it is the same move that SATHER made 10+ years ago when instead of trading NYLANDER, JAGR, STRAKA, etc. SATHER doubled down and signed GOMEZ and DRURY. The Rangers never bottomed out to get a top tier player in the draft (or two) and as a result the team that the Rangers ended up building lacked the young, up and coming elite players (especially that #1 Center) that have won Cups since the lockout. If the Rangers don't trade HAYES, MZA, SMITH, McQUAID and others now they will basically be doing the same thing. That may yield a good team in the end. But all evidence (and past experience) suggests that it won't yield a team capable of winning a Cup or Cups.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:44 am EST

Sorry if I confused anyone. I was suggesting we could resign Hayes and also sign Panarin next summer.

Ranger47


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:39 am EST

R47: I can't see spending assets to get PANARIN now when he could just be signed on July 1 as a UFA.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:30 am EST

I thought we had a good deal of cap space. Couldn't we both resign Hayes and go after Panarin? He apparently had said he'd like to come here and could make Vesey available as part of a trade package. https://bluelinestation.com/2018/08/31/new-york-rangers-artemi-panarin-complete-rebuild-next-summer/

Ranger47


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:24 am EST

And I keep hearing that a possible trade to TO for Nylander involving Skjei won't work since they want a RHD. Can't we find a third team to involve in the trade to get that RHD for Skjei?

Ranger47


Mon Nov 19 2018 10:22 am EST

Like what I saw with 20-14-72. If they continue to play well Ranger mgmt will have to think long and hard whether to re-up Hayes rather than trade him. If they do, he'll be signed long-term by the receiving team. Zucc, on the other hand, could be traded as a rental and re-up before the following season (unless he's ineligible to do so).

Ranger47


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:39 am EST

Td, Zuuc I don't want any part of and needs to be traded soon. Hayes I think will not be worth the long term deal he will soon get and will hurt the team by being a Cap anchor. Kreider I want to keep IF he finally has figured it out and keeps up playing like he has so far this season, otherwise his upcoming contract will kill as well. This team still lacks an 80+ points 1st liner and that is what Gorton needs to focus on attaining. Otherwise this is 2012-2015 part duex.

NYStranger


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:38 am EST

rf4l it's blame the goalie prince story....they probably need their forwards helping on d, instead of ready to run the other way.

stevielegs


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:37 am EST

Vic: Yes it is fun to see him play with that effort and tenacity. But it seems it happened when he was called up last year then quickly tailed off. It happened in camp but once the regular season started, once again it tailed off. In both stretches we saw it in brief glimpses here and there, ala the Chris Kreider syndrome. He doesn't bring enough to the table if he's not going hard each and every shift. I'm not sure what the issue is - maybe it's a case of not enough icetime to establish his game? But that's the crux of the problem for every kid: Impressing with the icetime he does get, thereby forcing the hand of the coach so additional icetime is granted. We kept hearing about Chytil's practices and how he continually stood out. We also heard about DeA during his stint in the pressbox on how he wasn't showing in practice the decision making DQ wanted from him at first but started to come around and got back in when injuries hit. Because of those practices and learnings, when he did get back in much of risk taking and dumb gambling decisions were gone. He's not been out since, even though (like basically every other d-man) he's had a couple of YIKES out there. I never heard anything like that about Lettieri. Of course that doesn't mean he's been a slug in practice but it certainly makes one wonder. Bottom line is this for me: He was doing basically nothing with the icetime he was getting so his demotion isn't about to create a void for the Rangers. If Forgarty can take advantage of Lettieri's ineffectiveness good for him and more importantly, good for the Rangers.

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 9:29 am EST

RF4L: Regarding LETTIERI, you may be right. He may be nothing more then an AHL player who had a good cup of coffee last year and is able to stand out in the preseason when the level of competition isn't that high. But it is just so easy for me to root for the guy. To see a guy that has to overcome so many obstacles to even get a shot... and then to see him play with 100% effort...tenacious and relentless on the forecheck......backchecking hard and effectively.....going to the net hard. It is easy for me to root for a guy like that to make it. But since the season started we haven't really seen that tenacious, quick and relentless player. And for LETTIERI to have any chance to play in the NHL he has to be that guy every night. On FOGARTY, I totally agree. I think it sends a great message to the organization that if you keep working hard and improve your game you can get a shot at the NHL. I hope FOGARTY is able to grab and hold an NHL job with this chance. He probably won't get another one at his age.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:51 am EST

Vic: Agreed with your Kreider assessment although I cannot recall him scoring at the pace he's enjoying currently. He keeps it up he stays. He disappears again he should be shopped. Regarding Lettieri, I think he's AHL fodder and I won't be surprised if he doesn't wear the Ranger jersey again. That said, if he goes down and is productive it's possible he'll get recalled. I like that Fogarty's been rewarded for his work - he's got a fabulous opportunity here to make it difficult on DQ and Gorton to farm him out again.

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:32 am EST

And as for LETTIERI....He had a great camp last year and played well when he was brought up. He had another great camp this year and I really had high hopes that he could be an important and productive bottom 6 winger for the Rangers this year. But it just didn't happen at all. I think you have to ask the questions about his ability to play at an NHL level. Did he lose his confidence? Was it the ice time and linemates? Or is he just unable to hold down an NHL job. I don't think the final answer to that question is in yet. He needs to go back to Hartford and rediscover the play that got him noticed in the first place. Because we haven't seen much of any of it since the season started. It he has a strong year in Hartford maybe he gets another chance with the Rangers or another team. Regardless, LETTIERI is a small blip on the Rangers very large radar. He didn't cost them any games but he didn't do enough to show that he can help them win games. FOGARTY had a very strong camp as well. I'm glad he is getting the call up and hope he can do something with it. I'll sure be rooting for him.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:27 am EST

As for the rest of the game I thought the Rangers once again played well. STROME didn't do much in his first game and I wasn't expecting anything out of him. He definitely doesn't have the speed and quickness of SPOONER but in his first game he actually looked like a guy who was willing to throw some hits and take some hits to move the puck. He battled for lose pucks along the boards and didn't seem to have any issue going into high traffic areas. As we know, SPOONER, refused to do any of those things. So hopefully STROME settles in playing with HOWDEN and VESEY. They seem like good compliments for him. The Rangers didn't acquire him to be a top 6 scorer. The acquired him with the hope that he could be a solid two-way player who could play a 200 foot game and contribute at a 3rd line level in terms of production. I don't think that is out of the realm of possibility for him. I'm curious to see if he can develop into that with DQ. DQ has already had a big impact on a lot of these guys. Hopefully he can with STROME as well.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:26 am EST

TD: IMO, one of Hayes/Z will be traded. The former goes unless he resigns before the deadline. If he does resign, the latter becomes expendable. Andersson cannot be playing less than 7 minutes a night going forward. And that's with Chytil playing wing, something the Rangers originally seemed adamant they wouldn't be doing. Not that I'm complaining about CHytil - I'd rather he get the minutes he needs on the wing vs what he was getting before the switch was made. Andersson however, is now in that boat.

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:22 am EST

I was out of town this weekend and only watched the game last night. KREIDER is playing like the guy that Rangers fans thought he would become when he first came up. It is impossible to not be impressed with how he has played since he started turning it on a few games into the season. However.....we have seen this before from him. He plays to his potential for stretches of time and then just disappears for much longer stretches. And it isn't just that his production drops off. His entire game drops off. How does a guy with that much speed and power just go invisible for weeks at a time???? So that is what is the backdrop for KREIDER that he has to overcome. Because if he can consistently play the way he has been he becomes a top player in this league. But as I watch these games I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. I keep waiting for the regression back to the Invisible Man that he has been for so much of his career. I hope it doesn't happen this time. I hope he becomes the player we all thought he could be.

Vic


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:13 am EST

re: STROME - I liked his first game and really echo the sentiment about VESEY-HOWDEN-STROME being an excellent fit...I really like tlats' comparison with the BRASSARD situation several years back...the similarities are significant...Back when he was traded, Brass was all but written off by the Jackets. When he came to NY, it was as a third-line center and chronic underachiever...but what the Rangers recognized was that his underlying play was much better than his offensive statistics...and that was somewhat reflected in his possession metrics...well, with STROME, here's an instance where hey the guy's possession metrics at 5X5 are very good. Not off the charts, but A LOT better than two points in 16 games...and a lot better than one would expect from a 30-point bottom line grinder...it remains to be seen what Strome will do with this reboot. I liked the player I saw on Saturday...wasn't really the player I remember in juniors or with the Isles...but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see both him, VESEY and HOWDEN all start putting up better numbers in the near future.

tdchi


Mon Nov 19 2018 8:06 am EST

I think at this point, whatever trades the Rangers make needs to be thought of in this light: Does it improve the team today? I actually really like the makeup of this team. Are they going to the cup? Probably not. But I would not be surprised to see the Rangers land in the playoffs...All along, I've seen this team as a 90-point team, plus or minus a few...and I saw the "rebuild" as more of a "reboot" or "retool." They traded away couple important pieces, but really kept a very visible core: HAYES, ZIBANEJAD, ZUCC, KRIEDER, VESEY, FAST, BUCHNEVICH, STAAL, SHATTENKIRK, and SKJEI...they added to that core PIONK, CHYTIL, DeANGELO, ANDERSSON, and HOWDEN...debatable whether NAMESTINKOV, CLAESSON, and ccertainly STROME are long-term solutions, but regardless, the Rangers' core is very strong...by next year, they will add KRAVTSOV and likely HAJEK and LINDGREN...and in two years, LUNDKIVST and MILLER...so how do you improve that? Is it by moving two pieces of the core for NYLANDER? I don't think so...Or NYLANDER-plus? Maybe. I wouldn't be thrilled to lose KREIDER, because I think losing a player like him would change the dynamic of the team on-ice. The Krieder move is that blast down the wing, cut hard to the net and fire a hard shot top-titty. Whenever he's on the ice, there's a chance we see that move and teams need to take care...So I'm not sure what combination of Leafs coming back would help the Rangers improve NOW...but it certainly can't be two-for-one...But also, I'm really not sure now about trading any pieces of the core simply for futures...that includes HAYES and ZUCC. I know, I know, I know...they're UFAs and will command large contracts...but...maybe it's worth signing them? I tell you what: Both of those guys really want to be in New York...and I would bet their contract demands would be influenced by that fact...but I digress...we discussed NYLANDER-for-SKJEI-and-VESEY and that's the only two-for-one deal that I see as reasonable and would do without the Leafs kicking in additional pieces(though I would ask for BRACCO)...Nevertheless, I don't see either team reaching a match in this regard...and I think come Dec. 1, Nylander won't be wearing either a Ranger or Leafs jersey.

tdchi


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:59 am EST

stevie: In the pre-season stuff I saw Fogarty used his size. He wasn't plowing guys through the boards but did forecheck hard and go to the net.

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:58 am EST

Lots of fingers being pointed at the Prince as the primary culprit in this latest fiasco that is the Edmonton Oilers. Looking at this stats, there's clearly some validity to that (3.31 goals-against average and an .888 save percentage) but it's obviously deeper than that. Chiarelli and McLellan are feeling the heat this morning (so I read); could the former be ripe for another trade fleecing? I hope Gorton's discussions with him didn't start and end with the Ryan for Ryan deal...

rF4l


Mon Nov 19 2018 7:58 am EST

Bad moon Fogarty on the rise has good size 6’3” @210 , I hope he uses it and buys into relentless. Otherwise next up gettinger. The mighty Quinney knows what he wants , which is good, and his players know which is even better. If they don’t fit , fishpie has to take the bit and move quick.

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:31 pm EST

Good on Fogarty , nice to see him up , and another righty up front.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:58 pm EST

RF4L: Mario must have some very damning pictures of BungHolio Buttman......

mf


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:41 pm EST

BTW, Pittsburgh 29th overall now. It, of course, makes sense that they'd fluke out with all that talent and finish near the bottom of the league then win the lottery. It just does.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:20 pm EST

Yep, Fogarty as a wing makes much more sense than Nieves or any center and much more sense than bringing back the utterly worthless Littieri ..And he had a good camp and has played well inn Hartford..He deserves th call up....I also seem to remember Fogarty and Mcleod playing well together in pre-season, so I have no problem with both in the lineup if Zucc is still out...However, ANdersson just may have to skate at 3/4's speed to sty with both..:)

Hospo


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:16 pm EST

Spooner's line yesterday (in the Oil's loss to Calgary): No points and a -2. Spooner currently with 14 minutes left in the Shower game: No points and a -2. LOL...what a bum.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:11 pm EST

LOL...now 6 2. Gotta figure something significant will go down there very soon.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:09 pm EST

Showers taking it to the Oilers 5 to 2 tonight - the Oil are about to lose their 5th in 6. What a mess. I wonder if AV is about to be hired there?

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 8:19 pm EST

Good for Fogarty, hopefully McLeod sits..... per New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forward Steven Fogarty from @WolfPackAHL. Fogarty, 25, has skated in 19 games with the Wolf Pack this season, registering seven goals and seven assists for 14 points.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 8:16 pm EST

Forgarty recalled. Nice. I hope he impresses...

RF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 7:35 pm EST

Jake0104....agree the sooner they get out of there the better for us. We may actually beat them again.

Melvillefred


Sun Nov 18 2018 6:56 pm EST

Went to the Islander game today. Dallas torched them, out muscled and out skilled. Big test for our guys tomorrow. Dallas is a contender. First time at Barclays, the Islanders minor league arena in Bridgeport is a million times better. Dark, dreary and void of atmosphere place is a dud they should run from Brooklyn.

Jake0104


Sun Nov 18 2018 5:27 pm EST

Some sloppy play by the pack in the 3rd cost them the game 4-3.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 5:22 pm EST

Aww, too bad... Worst possible start imaginable for #NJDevils in Raleigh.... Allow goal 22 seconds in. Another 8 seconds later.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 4:33 pm EST

MF: nice thing is that they have a team that can rotate players in. It wasn’t long ago when the only options they’d have is the waiver, a low level trade, or some marginal guy who was gonna play 29 games and never see the nhl again.

E


Sun Nov 18 2018 4:32 pm EST

Thinking bout it here, recalling Nieves probably wouldn't be the right move....he hasn't played much this season, let him get his feet under him. And its not about how much he is scoring right now, he could get twice as many points he is currently getting in the next 3 games...I would bet his timing defensively is off after not playing until a few days ago. In the AHL its not killing him, but at the next level those things would cost the team bad. Call up someone who is playing well all around....what guy is looking good with and without the puck and in all 3 zones, on the PP, PK (at least one special teams area)...thats what you need for a lower line player, someone who will be able o do whatever is needed.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 4:31 pm EST

On Lindgren I want to start hearing his name as a better Claesson who (I gloat because I called it right that he was a good fit) is gonna get a raise if he keeps going on pace. And I am anxious to see Hijak. Mostly, because I can’t take Staal anymore. The guy has been a longtime warrior for the New York Rangers. I appreciate all that he’s been but it’s time.

E


Sun Nov 18 2018 4:25 pm EST

Most likely not going to happen, but I wouldn't mind seeing GABRIEL FONTAINE getting a call up.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 4:18 pm EST

Ryan Lindgren with his first goal of the season for the Pack.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 2:54 pm EST

Some of us were and are hoping that VL was going to be a "home-grown" talent to make the club.... He's shown flashes of talent, but then again inconsistency too..... Send him down, and if he doesn't continue to grow & improve, include him in a "Bundle" and trade his ass out of here......

mf


Sun Nov 18 2018 2:18 pm EST

WILD: what is saw down the stretch last season and into this season left me hopeful that VL had arrived. Obviously, he’s had his moments but I lean more towards HOSPO on this. I’m not impressed with him. Some good shifts here or there ain’t good enough. He didn’t pull a Holden. That much is for certain. I’m also not big on Boo. Forget the fact that he has no hands, his sense is questionable at best. Sure everyone likes a big guy who can skate like he does. But he doesn’t do much when the puck is on his stick.

E


Sun Nov 18 2018 2:00 pm EST

Idiotic to recall Nieves even if he's finally showing his AHL worth..You already have two NHL centers (mostly) in Chytl and Strome playing wing..plus ZBAD-HAYES-HOWDEN-ANDERSSON already there..A natural wing is what you need to call up..but, I guess that's up to DQ and Gordo

Hospo


Sun Nov 18 2018 1:44 pm EST

Rhet: very valid question, now having said all this, why aren't I 50 points ahead you might ask? ........... Rhet: Edmonton is a mess.... Yakupov, Hall, RNH, Eberle, McDavid, Draisaitl, and they're still not a lock for the playoffs......... Then they sign LUCIC to an Anvil of a contract.... Was someone thinking he is the reincarnation of McSorely to protect McDavid? Who knows, who cares? IF Skjei, Zucc, us eating some $$$ gets us BOUCHARD and a 2nd, StevieLegs is driving....... IF SHATTENKIRK & something gets us NYLANDER, RF4L is driving...... Then "IF" we unload SMITH, we've cleared $16.25 mill for the K-Mart shoppers in the UFA market...... $16.25 mill, not having to resign Zucc, and an increase in the Cap next year should just about get me NYLANDER, PANARIN, & STONE...... All this while continuing to obtain & retain picks....... TD: is that Tampa on the line asking about Hank???

mf


Sun Nov 18 2018 1:22 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY ..... If Zuccarello is not able to go tomorrow, don't be surprised if you see Boo Nieves recalled over Lettieri after today's Wolf Pack game. Nieves is having a fine season in Hartford with 5 points in 3 games entering play today. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 1:19 pm EST

MF... How could the EDM Oilers possibly need anything on defense when they have Evan Bouchard waiting in the wings?

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 12:21 pm EST

WILD... That's pretty much what you normally tell a player when you send him down but not what Brooks is implying. The Pack has a game today and the NYR have one tomorrow. A decision has to be made relatively quick.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 12:06 pm EST

_Arc et al: what's your opinion(s) regarding Edmonton's Defense, in need of a LHS, RHS, or both? https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

mf


Sun Nov 18 2018 12:04 pm EST

Pre-Season: Saw Gettinger make 2 rookie blunders on 1 play trying to bring the puck out of the Ranger zone... 1 seemed to be a bit of showmanship which didn't sit well with me at all, the other (5-10 seconds later) resulted from what I'll say was because his intensity level just wasn't there earlier in the same play.....

mf


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:52 am EST

1 out of 5 games not 4 games

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:39 am EST

rf4l: Fogerty wasn't just a quick scoring thing...he had a point in 10 of the first 14 games....this stretch of 1 point in 4 games is the first drought of the season for him....lets see how he does the next few games....he starts getting points again and I think that will be a sing that he has taken as tap this season.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:27 am EST

I could see them saying " We are sending you down, want to get you some ice time in all situations....dont worry if you play well we will get you back up here"

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:27 am EST

Lol...fast not gasy. Lololol

RF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:26 am EST

Hospi...agreed on Boo. Gasy but jot much else so far. If he keeps scoring for the Pack he'll likely get recalled at some pint.

RF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:25 am EST

I have to disagree with Brooks. I don't know how you send a player down for a game and say "score a goal and maybe we'll bring you back up." I can't imagine that would be good for his development or that it is something that DQ would do. I guess we shall see.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 11:19 am EST

Gawd I hope they leave him down there. Other forwards have worked their bits off and deserve a chance to get a callup....let Lettieri get a few games and do something with his ice time.....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:55 am EST

WILD - enough with your sophmoric "what game are you watching" snark..We disagree..OK?

Hospo


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:52 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Lettieri sent to Wolf Pack to play in this afternoon game...Decision on whether to recall him or promote someone else pending....

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:52 am EST

Hospo: One good game? Seriously? Sorry. He had a lot of good games. Yeah mostly invisible points wise but he defended really well, kept his game quiet, didn’t create problems leading to chances against. He was a good 4th line center....not sure what games you were watching.....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:38 am EST

The Penguins are still in last place in the division. How terrific would it be to see them get Jack Hughes?

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:36 am EST

I don’t mind trading Skjei at all; We have got to relieve that logjam at LD but as Brookfield points out (and I’ve been harping on for months now) the market for LD sucks!!! TO wants a RD! They’re pretty set at LD and getting Skokie would be so he can be either a 2nd or 3rd pair guy and TO isn’t gonna give up Nylander for that (especially since he’s gonna eat up over $5mil of their cap). AINT HAPPENING!!! For all of you guys that said you can’t have too many LD........, This is what it looks like! We’ve got some marginal guys up here that we can’t but trot out there every day! Although I’m not opposed to giving Hajek and Lindgren a year down in the AHL I don’t think it’s reasonable to assume they’re going to be happy down there for more than a year and I hope and pray that the rules for the next expansion draft won’t put us in a bind. Either way, we’ve got the current left side signed through 2 more years after this and it’s just not tenable. Any chance fishboy gets to dump either of them (including the kids) to shore up the front, he’s gotta be like a Boston fly on shit. But there’s no way we get ‘value’ for any of them since pretty much all the teams in the league have a pretty good stable of guys playing on the left (while we have only replacement level guysto offer as collateral)

_Arc


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:35 am EST

Gettinger is tied with Fogarty at 7 goals for the team lead. He's been more steady with his production vs Fogarty. He just might be a legitimate prospect, which is great given his size.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:33 am EST

Interesting that Fogarty went nuts scoring for about a week and since then, has basically done nothing statistically (5 games 1 lowly assist) thereby sinking back from that aspect to what he's always been: An offensively challenged player.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:28 am EST

WILD - On Boo..agree to disagree...one good game then total invisibility and insignificance....Granted, the one thing that Neves has going for him is he can skate fast, I'd bring up Fogarty or Gettinger...

Hospo


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:22 am EST

Hospo damn autocorrect

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:22 am EST

BTW, for me the Lettieri demotion was overdue.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:22 am EST

Hospital: NIEVES did well in the 4th line center spot in his limited time up. He may never be more than that....but he is far from just an AHL player.....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 10:16 am EST

STEVIE - Thank God on Littieri..about 3 months too late..Just hope the Dog named Boo is not coming up in his place...another AHLER.........As for Kid K, KREIDER at his best is a kinda rare player in the limp noodle NHL...You just dont trade him, even with his inconsistencies...Because, even with them, he is a 3o goal scorer, constant threat and part time beast..He learns to bring it every night? A force

Hospo


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:44 am EST

I just to be clear, I would love for Kreider to stick around. But only if he doesn’t continue doing the disappearing act.

NYStranger


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:42 am EST

NYStranger: Or 3)a Ranger team with Skjei, Kreider and Panarin. I, too, am on the fence when it comes to trading/keeping Kreider. For sure, though right now you'd be selling very high and a strong return surely could be had.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:41 am EST

trade: No way would I trade Kreider and Skjei for Nylander. That's too pricey unless Skjei's troubles are not really struggles but his reality (re he's a highly paid bottom pairing d-man). In addition, that cost plus the contract he'd probably end up signing would be for what he could be in the future, not what he is. Nylander is a very good player but the concern is that the bulk of his points have come playing alongside Auston Matthews. It's obvious at this point Nylander thinks he's better than he's shown so far, given the money stalement occurring.

rF4l


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:34 am EST

Trade, I think including both is way too much for Nylander (at least as of this point in careers) but as I just eluded to- You must think about contracts the next several years out as well. It is too bad Buttmans Cap World forces decisions that are not talent related. But put it this way. Two potential scenarios: 1) a Rangers team with Nylander and Panarin..2)keep Skjei and Kreider. Toss up? Not really.

NYStranger


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:31 am EST

my cousin vinny............New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2m2 minutes ago OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned Vinni Lettieri to @WolfPackAHL.

stevielegs


Sun Nov 18 2018 9:27 am EST

Wild I wouldn't want to trade Kreider at this point either, but the big question is whether Kreider is a guy you feel comfortable giving that Big long term deal. I am still not sure and I hope the Rangers kinda know which way they are leaning. Because right now the Rangers can sell high.

NYStranger


Sun Nov 18 2018 8:38 am EST

You watch....they will kick the Draft age to 19...and the Rangers will win the 1st overal pick for that draft with all the leftovers from the draft before.....honestly however if they move the age to 19 they need to just skip a draft....you can’t run a draft with only the players that were not drafted the previous couple seasons....

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 8:36 am EST

I don’t know on Nylander. It wouldn’t be a shock to see him near a point per game or more....but it also wouldn’t be a shock to see him lower than that. If he ends up a 25-30 goal 40-45 assist guy (slight increases from his first two seasons) I don’t think anyone would think he was missing his potential....if he gets more I think most would say he exceeded expectations. The real question for him is when and how does he get those points. Does he step up as the games get bigger and the situations tougher? Will his 3 point in a period outburst come when his team is up by two or down by two. Will he be the guy who makes the brilliant play in double OT in the SCF or the guy who just pads the big wins? I wouldn’t trade Kreider for him, Kreider is basically the perfect guy to play along side a guy like Nylander. Nylander isn’t big, so having a bigger wing out there who is also fast will push the defenders back and open up lanes going to the front to allow a Nylander type to operate more freely. That’s just my humble opinion of course...but Kreider seems to be finally finding the balance he needs in his game and he would be a big loss for any team. Nylander isn’t Crosby, or Malkin, or Stamkos....at least from what I have seen. And from the rumblings out there it seems the leafs are not getting offers like they expected...that no one really sees him as THAT guy.

Wildcard


Sun Nov 18 2018 7:23 am EST

Hospo is back .....https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/the-nhl-is-doing-everything-it-can-to-avoid-another-lockout/

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 18 2018 5:18 am EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 5h #NYR have won 5 straight @TheGarden which is the longest home winning streak in the NHL this season!

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 18 2018 2:15 am EST

In the recent LB article about a trade for William Nylander.....LB writes that both Skjei and Kreider would be a fair trade? Is it me, or does it appear that every NY Rangers player in the last 40 years always seem undervalued in trade talk or actual trades? Maybe some of the early 90's dealing with the Oilers....but then again, who was in charge there? Sather of course.........Or maybe....I have zero clue how great William the Wonderful Nylander plays the game of hockey.......Is Nylander a legit game changer?

tradestar28


Sun Nov 18 2018 12:21 am EST

You can't fool us you Hospo impersonator. There was hardly a negative comment in you first post in weeks. You were obviously on vacation in Toronto at some silly Hall of Fame thing. Did Torts invite you over for a few beers? Hopefully your slap shots column tomorrow will be more entertaining.

MC


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:43 pm EST

MF - Thanks..Crazy days..Did you dial up the SPooner-Strome trade with your Traderator? Silly question..Bouchard would have been in the return if you did..:)

Hospo


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:37 pm EST

Hospo: Welcome Back hope all is well... Kitchen1 had an APB out there trying to find you, I'm sure he'll be relieved....

mf


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:35 pm EST

RF4L - Thanks for asking!...sometimes real life shit gets in the way!

Hospo


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:31 pm EST

Hey Wallbangers...Able to watch my first Ranger game in awhile tonight...Have been catching up on the Wall's view points but...can only comment on tonight..and sorry if this is TDCHI-like in length...1) Really like the mixture of talents on the Kreider-Hayes-Chytly line..could be a very dangerous line..so glad the Rangers stuck with Chytl..the skill was there..the confidence wasnt ..now it is and it makes a world of difference...HAYES is a good center for bith these skilled wingers especially the way he's playing niw and is able to control the puck...and KREIDER? I cant believe People on here want to trade him..I know he has his incinsistiencies but where can you find players like him? and when he's in beast mode.he's the best player on the team.......2) I'm no fan of ZBAD--and still rather have him traded than Hayes---but gving him Namestnikov (still unimrsessive to me) and Fast as wingers does him a disserice (I Know Buch and MZA are out, but still)....3) The move of the night was DQ deservedly benching Littieri and double shifting Kreider and directly leading to that 2nd goal in the first...4) I see people are still destroying McLeod but his hitting and attitude is needed on this team and he obviosly is a big part of DQ's team structure or he would be gone....And I've said it from Day 1..Littiri brings absolutley nnithing and even hurtss the team at times..he's an AHLer pure and simple--send him where he belongs..5) Didn't even know about Strome until I saw him tonight...Nothing bad..A nice little play or two..Still too early to tell..but Strome-Howden-Vesey lookedvliek and could be a nice youg 2-way line...and KUDOS AGAIN TO E for being spot on about the impressive HOWDEN as far back as August....6) I guess Smith had been benched becasue of poor play...well, he looked damn god tonight..another good button pushed by DQ....Hopefully that works with SKJEI..I still really like he kid and hope he can get back to what he was......7) 4-2 game but far from a masterpiece defensively..alot of chaos in their own zone mainly bacues of poor forward play....but they did keep the puck out of the net..although alot was bacause of the Rangers best player--The KIng......7) Still hope they keep Hayes, The KIng, and Kreider and maybe even add a littlesomething at forward (even if trading a Zucc and a D-kan) and keep trying to win NOW (NOt CUp) and make the POs reality..I'll let you guys worry about the rebuild...

Hospo


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:25 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/henrik-lundqvist-comes-up-big-in-rangers-bounce-back-win/

mf


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:10 pm EST

Visors are mandatory for all new players. Probably not many left who are grandfathered in not wearing them.

NYStranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:08 pm EST

Rhetoric.....…..I really don't think we are going to land him so as far as I'm concerned ,he can sit and it serves him right. Stupid move on his part, I think the bond is broke with TO now anyway. Money,money,money and more money....too bad really.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 11:00 pm EST

Watching battle for alberta Edmonton vs Calgary.. exciting gamd, kassian just tried to fight a turtled tkachuk...... Since when does every single player wear a visor now??? It snuck up on me quick. I even saw a ref wearing a visor tonight

Richter35


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:59 pm EST

One thing I noticed about strome... He is slow. Otherwise solid player. Definitely more solid than Spooner.

Richter35


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:43 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... #NYR prospect Tyler Wall posted a 28-save shutout tonight for UMass-Lowell. He was 2-0-0 with a 1.00 GAA, a .971 SV% (66 saves on 68 shots), and 1 SO this weekend. For the season, he is 4-3-1, with a 1.74 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 2 SO in eight appearances.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:37 pm EST

This is posturing at it's best. It says they're not getting the offers they like., but what they really need to do is build up for a cup run... Report: Leafs comfortable letting Nylander sit if no deal struck by Dec. 1... https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/1653461?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:20 pm EST

I liked the interview with Strome post game. Seems like a real nice kid. I’m rooting fo him.

Limbo


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:09 pm EST

Wild... I thought he played well too. It would have been nice to get him some more meaningful minutes.... HAPPY with Strome's first game as a NYR, he was solid. Especially coming in cold and not knowing the system or team. I hope it bodes well for his future.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 10:05 pm EST

Game 20...10-8-2

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:57 pm EST

Rhet: Thats all Anderson played? It felt like he played more than that....he was noticeable IMHO....thats a good sign....means he is adjusting to the NHL more. Hopefully we will see him get a chance to force more ice time like Chytil did.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:54 pm EST

E: If he could skate he would probably be al all-star, the Rangers would have a really good number 1 center and ZBad would be the one we would be talking about being traded.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:54 pm EST

Strome quiet game, couple of heady plays. Staal good D, can never get a shot thru. Chytl hungry, wants the biscuit. Pionk seems to get points every game. Kreider looking like a career year. Want to see us in the mix for Nylander, would give skjei and zucc or even Hayes.

Puckyou


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:53 pm EST

Andersson played 6:42; Lettieri 4:29.... Strome 16:42; Chytil 14:04

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:53 pm EST

Rhet: I agree....Kreider just doesn't strike me as Captain material. Not that he cant be a leader on the team...but he is more organically a leader through his play at times but as Captain? I dont see it...not a knock on the guy...just doesn't have that C "thing"

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:52 pm EST

WILD: I slammed the crap out of Hayes the first few years he was here. I just felt that he was a marginal skater. He has grown exponentially each season. But his skating is still limited.

E


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:52 pm EST

Rhet.....I agree on that one ,he makes a good "A" to lead those younger guys but let's stay away from that "C" for a while, please.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:50 pm EST

Boy,that Pionk is a real breath of fresh air isn't he ………..and congrats to Hank for passing the GREAT Mr. Plante ,one of my childhood idols and hero. I know today, they play more games and play longer but that is quite the accomplishment. Plante was an all-star 7 times, won a Heart trophy,6 Cups and only 7 Vezinas………...that's all.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:49 pm EST

Kreider as Captain would be McDonagh part deux, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:44 pm EST

Kreider keeps this up he will be named captain

tlats


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:43 pm EST

Tough Stars team next think I will go to Barclays and scout them tomorrow

Jake0104


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:42 pm EST

Chytil was a beast. Claesson a real nice pickup. 3 goals over Luongos right shoulder. Would love to get Nylander but obviously not for Kreisler. Maybe zucc and Brady although hate to lose Brady his upside is huge.

Jake0104


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:41 pm EST

Hanky passes plante # 7

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:39 pm EST

7-1-1

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:38 pm EST

Fire drill ending, but nice win!

NYStranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:37 pm EST

4 - 2 very nice

mf


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:37 pm EST

Hayes misses an open net,,,,lol.....WTF? RANGERS WIN!!!!!

theDugster


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:33 pm EST

Rhet0ric---- gone, I want him gone,,,,The Kid got nuttin.....

theDugster


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:24 pm EST

Day with a helper in the ECHL tonight....gives him 7 points in 6 games down there....wonder if he gets another shot int he AHL any time soon....guess it depends on how the guys there play....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:22 pm EST

Wolf Pack win 6-3

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:20 pm EST

Nieves got an assist as well tonight...so 2G, 3A, for 5pts in 3 games since he was cleared to play and sent down....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:20 pm EST

Hanky gets an assist

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:17 pm EST

CHRIS KREIDER! IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!!1

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:17 pm EST

Kreider just killing it lately....what a shot...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:17 pm EST

Kid k powerplay

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:15 pm EST

Nyr playing sam and Dave hold on

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:14 pm EST

oh Cytil.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 9:03 pm EST

Nyr faceoffs 33%

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:51 pm EST

E/Rhet: That has been a knock on Hayes forever...he doesn't have any burst. He is a good skater, decent balance, good maneuverability...but not the speed aspect.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:50 pm EST

So 2 periods into the Strome era....I didn't notice him at all int he 1st...not unexpected he hasn't even had a practice with the team yet. The 2nd period however I started to notice him a bit more. He won a face-off early there....a couple times at least he was posted up around the blue paint. At the end there he was right in the mix....he apples like that he will help out the team. If it turns into points who knows, but he wasn't a liability at all, and being new to the team I would expect to see him leaving gaps not knowing the guys he is playing with or the system they are using....we may still see that stuff, but so far not a bad start for the guy.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:46 pm EST

And Staal couldn't put a puck in the ocean

E


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:46 pm EST

Hayes has two: Neutral and slow. Which one do you want?

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:45 pm EST

Hayes needs another gear to his skating.

E


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:34 pm EST

The Florida Broadcast team just reiterated what I said about the goal(per the refs).

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:29 pm EST

Kind of understand why he is upset about that call...Shatty was in a position that it didn't take much to knock him down...but that's kind of the rule...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:23 pm EST

BELESKEY with the assist on the Nieves goal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:21 pm EST

Hambone soupy sales

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:20 pm EST

Nieves with another goal just not in Hartford....after missing a lot of time, he has not missed a beat playing wise...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:19 pm EST

Inconclusive usually means no goal but ref had his hanbone glasses on and believed ZBAD

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:18 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Including team goals awarded for a shootout win, the Rangers have registered three or more goals in eight of the last 10 games, in 11 of the last 15 games, and in 13 of the last 18 contests. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:17 pm EST

What they are missing is that the Ref called it a goal on the ice. They needed to be 100% sure that it wasn't to overturn it.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:17 pm EST

Toronto with X-ray vision

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:16 pm EST

Wildcard....Yes a conoscopy camera

rangerlou


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:14 pm EST

GOOAALLLL!!!!!!!!! VLADDY

rangerlou


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:13 pm EST

Interesting...would love to see some other angles if they exist....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:13 pm EST

Could quite do it! Good goal!

NYStranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:12 pm EST

Wonder if the ref could see it behind his back...Luangos back that is....he was pointing at a spot not he ice...and the camera can't see where the ref was looking.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:12 pm EST

And here is the NHL doing the best they can to figure out a way to calling it a no goal

NYStranger


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:11 pm EST

What a play by Z-Bad.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:11 pm EST

not sure that went in....not sure what the ref was looking at.....will be interesting...if I was that ref I would have just put my hands up, halted play, and went upstairs to see if it went in...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:09 pm EST

pretty STINKY goal

mf


Sat Nov 17 2018 8:00 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Slapshots. The commissioner does not want another lockout to define his legacy; Olympics & World Cup, 19-year-old draft, changes in LTI in play in ongoing preliminary talks; Plus, the concussion settlement; shootout tip-ins? Plus, a personal note.... ....https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/the-nhl-is-doing-everything-it-can-to-avoid-another-lockout/

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:56 pm EST

Hayes is painful to watch, hands of stone. Please trade him!!!

theDugster


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:54 pm EST

So, in other words, they're doing nothing.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:52 pm EST

This just in: https://nypost.com/2018/11/17/the-nhl-is-doing-everything-it-can-to-avoid-another-lockout/

mf


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:48 pm EST

OUCH! That looked like it hurt....Fast will need some silk for that one I bet...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:42 pm EST

SO they just Lettieri hasn't played since that penalty.....DQ doesn't deal with BS....well he does....but he isn't allowing it to become a thing...

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:37 pm EST

Kreaider is having one hell of an early season here....17 points now, and he started the first few games really really slow....but man he has been on fire for a bit now.

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

GOOAALL!!!!!!!!! Smitty

rangerlou


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:34 pm EST

Kreider in Lettieris spot there....

Wildcard


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:33 pm EST

Smith with a beauty and Lias with the assist first point of the season for him

tlats


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:33 pm EST

Good for Smith with the goal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 17 2018 7:31 pm EST