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Sun Apr 22 2018 8:20 pm EST

AV picked on the Scarecrow...Not very nice....

PJ


Sun Apr 22 2018 8:14 pm EST

That’s just a ridiculous notion that your “fan credentials” would be questioned for merely having the audacity to understand that your chances of growing a successful team is in part the ability to acquire an identifiable franchise player. That’s just stupid to think there is something wrong with it. It definitely is not a reflection of your fan’dom. Getting into the top five is where the greatest opportunities to snag a franchise cornerstone. That’s low hanging fruit. I KNOW people here whose credentials are rock solid and don’t need to be called in by some marginal noob.

E


Sun Apr 22 2018 8:13 pm EST

I never said that you are an Islander fan.....you should just root for them....; )

kitchen1


Sun Apr 22 2018 8:05 pm EST

Youse are all crazy, I swear. If you can't consider rooting for the OPPOSING team treasonous, when can you?

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:57 pm EST

Yo Rabbit, you got a short memory or something.... Your preaching to the crowd who rooted for Eddie Giacomin when he was waived and claimed by Detroit... We here Bleed Ranger Blue whether you agree or not

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:55 pm EST

GG -- You can, but you would be wrong....I rarely deal in absolutes and am often worong but I dont question the loyalty of any single person on the Wall..We all just have different perspectives and differnt ways of dealing...Now, Kitchen1 might think I'm an Islander fan, but that's beside the point..

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:54 pm EST

And just as an aside, this place is like a funhouse sometimes. Minus the fun.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:50 pm EST

Actually when someone is opening ROOTING for another team against the Rangers, I think you can call their loyalty into question. I don't care what the reason.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:42 pm EST

Hey G^2 enoug with the ‘superfan’ bullshit okay. You got your take on it and others have theirs but you calling into question their devotion to this team is being an asshole. I don’t pick on you, I’ve never judged you either way but I don’t like when you tell ANYONE on this board to go follow another team because they don’t share your pov and it’s just old already. So I’m asking nicely, drop it!

_Arc


Sun Apr 22 2018 7:08 pm EST

Of course AV was a problem. Here is my example, which I stated before. I go to Vegas to see the Rangers who completely suck but somehow come out of Phoenix with a shutout win the night before. Hayes is hurt and out. AV healthy scratches Buchnevich then benches Miller for the remainder of the game after the first period........so we get a ton of Drew Carey and Tino Lettieri on the PP and at even strength instead, and they lose the game 2-1. Anyone think that is in the club’s Best interests? I am glad he got whacked.

Bob


Sun Apr 22 2018 6:36 pm EST

High should be BUCH

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 6:35 pm EST

Some of us have been calling for AV's head for damn near 2 years, maybe more... On High, it's easy to see both sides of the coin, 1 he should man the phuck up, he's getting paid to perform when he gets his minutes, 2) a little a little constructive criticism with a pat on the back and not missing a shift can go a long way..... So, are BUCH and NAMESTIKOV redundant having one of the two on the roster enough? Has BUCH in his difficult to decipher translated message revealed his mettle or lack thereof? If he can't handle the coach how can he handle Playoff Hockey? Is it time to package this guy before the rest of the league realizes he's a wimp? Maybe he's not a wimp, I don't know, what I do know is as of today, I'd package what we have to acquire SVECHNIKOV & BOUCHARD two guys that I believe will play at least half of next season...... Those two are where I'd stack my chips, we can fill in from the college ranks, and undrafted from around the globe, and the UFA pool.....

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:53 pm EST

Yeah tanking is some real wizardry lol. Look how great it turned out!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:41 pm EST

Listen Hospo, even The Lurkers around here know you're an SF Giants fan, get with the program........ ;-)

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:24 pm EST

STEVIE Believe me, I know AV was a problem..I was way haead of the Wall curve on him..but the players, some more than others, also share the blame..and need to own up for their crappy play

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:22 pm EST

MF - No, but Belt is on my Giants and my fantasy team! He's a maddening player, but has a great eye..All hose fouls must hav e been strikes..

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:19 pm EST

NYstranger - I have no problem with die hard Ranger fans rooting for the tank to get a better draft position in a lost yeaar..But..Personally..I just couldnt/cant do it..I'm so afraid of bottoming out and staying there..and I just want to win AlWays..BUT i GET THE THINKNG..

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:10 pm EST

Hospo: you involved in this? :-) https://nypost.com/2018/04/22/heres-longest-at-bat-in-baseball-history-which-will-drive-you-crazy/

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:06 pm EST

GG you gotta lay off the tank bs. Who cares? What good did winning a couple more games down the stretch do us? So AV and Hank can feel better about themselves? You haven't made a good enough argument. Don't tell me momentum or good for the kids bs. Really? With a new coach and further roster turn over that all means zero. I get it you hate losing. So do I. I also hated watching this crap ass roster coached by the lame duck AV. How is rooting for the best possible draft position being a bad fan? You can beat that dead horse but guess what? That horse don't give a shit anymore.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 22 2018 4:57 pm EST

Stevie the Rangers don't have anyone who can step up and score 4 in bubble hockey! The lack of top end talent over the years makes me nauseous. Oh yeah but we have god in goal. Too bad he can't score.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 22 2018 4:53 pm EST

A defensive goalie battle 8-5 bye bye cryers.... FORE

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 4:49 pm EST

Guentzal 4 goals and an assist.... some guys step up in the playoffs... nyr don’t have a guy that can score 4 in preseason.

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 4:42 pm EST

Way to fold cryers

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 4:23 pm EST

Hospo and what about jitters backhanded comments on Assvipe? Coaches get paid big $ to do a complete job not play negative head games . There were very few that played good. And grabner was never put on the pp by av, ala hagelin sucks on the pp as per the other genius talkerella.

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:57 pm EST

Lol! There was a TANKATHON here for months - rooting for the Rangers to lose daily - in the vain hope of better draft position, not to can Vigneault. Let'em live with the shame of a failed strategy. Bunch of empty rhetoric, but that's fine by some, they just convert to Rangers fans 4 the Leafs!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:52 pm EST

STEVIE - These whining spineless players should have played better anyway...BUCH being one of the worst culprits..Even during the last month when alot of players were playing their ass of..BUCh was a big fat zero..Hope he looks in the mirror and realizes it wasnt all AVs fault.. that he has too much talent to waste by just floating..and takes his career seriosuly durng the season and especially training...a few muscles might help..

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:43 pm EST

Hospo that’s why fishboy should have canned before the deadline. Then the roster might have shown better, it couldn’t be much worse. Instead he went with season suicide.

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:40 pm EST

Awwwww..Poor Baby Bitch Buch..Man the Fuck up instead of whining..Try not disaapearing when you do play..or getting knocked on your ass by a sneeze..or only prancing around the perimeter..he was worhtless the last few months and it's all on him..Seems liek everybody wants to use AV as a scaegoat..I know the guy should have been fired long ago..but smon..I just hope to Gid Gordo the clown knows there is ALOT more wromng with his team then just the coach..Half the team should be jettisoned...

Hospo


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:12 pm EST

Buekabitch bitchin.... nothing like destroying confidence.... good riddance assvipe...

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:10 pm EST

gggg that was to get av fired....it finally happened....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 3:06 pm EST

Pavel Buchnevich, the promising young star told Russian news outlet, Sport-Express how Alain Vigneault hindered his game and confidence (via Google Translate).... “Because everything depends on my confidence. When you do not think that the error will lead to consequences in the form of a reduction in playing time, then it is much easier for me. But everything turned out differently. A couple of matches you are doing well, in the third you do not show yourself and instantly find yourself in the fourth (line) with a five-minute playing time. It’s hard. Moreover, you are still told, they say, where are your qualities, show me. And you’re doing ten minutes with the majority on the ice.”... “Because everything depends on my confidence. When you do not think that the error will lead to consequences in the form of a reduction in playing time, then it is much easier for me. But everything turned out differently. A couple of matches you are doing well, in the third you do not show yourself and instantly find yourself in the fourth (line) with a five-minute playing time. It’s hard. Moreover, you are still told, they say, where are your qualities, show me. And you’re doing ten minutes with the majority on the ice.”

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 22 2018 2:31 pm EST

Gee, I can remember a time not very long ago when people here were rooting FOR Pittsburgh against the Rangers. SuperFan strategies LOL!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 2:23 pm EST

I hate the Flyers with a passion, but ANYBODY beating Pittsburgh is a good thing.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 22 2018 2:19 pm EST

Penguins will be without Evgeni Malkin in Game 6; Patric Hornqvist Is back ... hope the cryers beat them to avoid any possibility of a three peat

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 2:17 pm EST

with nyr bad luck they'll get a guy who gets injured , and another pick goes into the wind.....but fishboy will probably try to trade up after the lottery ....gordie clark has a lot of homework to get right......

stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 12:16 pm EST

RF: the issue I have with drafting is precisely what you mentioned. The yeah but... argument. Anaheim did it, therefore it’s not necessary. And then of course there is the Edmonton always picks in the top 5 and they suck. My issue with each as you pointed out in the former is that it’s true. Anaheim was an aberration. Edmonton is the byproduct of incompetence. The draft is perpetually a crap shoot and even in the top-5 there is plenty of guys that just failed to live up to billing. Sometimes they are obviously a total bust. However, the top-5 is where you are most likely to find an established and identified superstar. And you cannot get a Doughty, or McDavid unless you are there. Sure you could end up with a Yakupov or something. But unless you are in the game you can’t win the game. And of course talent is available up and down the first round. But there are always a list of “what if’s” on those guys. They all have kinks in their game that causes them to fall. Sometimes, real and other times just perceived out of the old eye test. And in those cases the player either ups their skill level and they live up to the potential billing. Or, they don’t. But the greater point continues to be, a Conor McDavid, Matthews, MacKinnon, Stamkos, Tavares, Kane, Crosby, Ovechkin are found in one place. And you gotta be in it to win it. This year, the odds that Dahlin are going to join those ranks are very high. If not a forgone conclusion. But... and there maybe a player that outperforms Dahlin further down. Given the opportunity, I’ll take my chances with Dahlin in the first round.

E


Sun Apr 22 2018 12:11 pm EST

gggg if so i hope it's just hands ...lol...don't make them bad people....now babble on like larry babbling brooks....no shine box today.....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:45 am EST

Aha, sorry for the revisionist history

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:24 am EST

mf: Bergeron played last night. It was Thursday's game where he was out.

rF4l


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:15 am EST

How come RF & RangerDude always appear same time, same topic? Do they hold hands as they type? Hahaha.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:11 am EST

Boston played without their 1st line center Bergeron last night....... No worries Ranger Fans, we're loaded up the middle, with an enema.......

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:06 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/21/nhl-players-must-step-up-if-they-want-this-headhunting-to-end/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:05 am EST

"Brendan Shanahan approached the deadline with the belief that the Maple Leafs’ time was not now, thus the chief executive and GM Lou Lamoriello declined to get into the trade market at the cost of their highly regarded youngsters. With Toronto down 3-1 going into Saturday’s potential elimination game at home against a Boston team that has taken on the feel of a powerhouse, one can interpret Shanahan’s stance as just and wise. Or perhaps as a self-fulfilling prophecy."...https://nypost.com/2018/04/21/nhl-players-must-step-up-if-they-want-this-headhunting-to-end/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Sun Apr 22 2018 11:04 am EST

And now Grey Poupon is going to the K? Couldn't care less as long as he's not here...

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 10:54 am EST

Gene, Gene, the Dancin Machine: 6:58 on a Sunday morning and you're bustin my bubble? :-) Seriously though, we have enough ammo to acquire BOUCHARD... IMO snatcherally

mf


Sun Apr 22 2018 10:26 am EST

This may break someone's heart,, said no NYR fan ever.... Per Igor Eronko ‏ Verified account @IgorEronko ..... Hearing David Desharnais is heading towards the #KHL #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 22 2018 9:37 am EST

Landing the 1st overall pick would be fabulous but no one to my knowledge, is saying it'a must to win a cup. What cannot be ignored (unless do so purposely) is the importance of acquiring talent via drafting in the top 5. The facts bear this out, too: Since 2002, except for the Ducks win in 2007, every cup winning team has had at least 1 important player in their lineup they drafted in the top 5 and most more than 1.

rF4l


Sun Apr 22 2018 8:29 am EST

Good lord you do babble on dont you sal

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 22 2018 6:58 am EST

mf; Given that we do not change position drastically as a result of the lottery, our pick is most likely either Hughes or Dobson. Bouchard will be gone before we pick.

gene_carr


Sun Apr 22 2018 5:49 am EST

Tampa pushed the Devils around the whole series. The first goal yesterday. Had the Devils panicking from Tampa’s forecheck. Devil goalie played well could have been a 7-1 loss. Tampa looks better than Pittsburgh right now.

Jake0104


Sat Apr 21 2018 11:51 pm EST

LOL!!! Over the past three decades, only three teams — the defending Stanley Cup champion Pittsburgh Penguins, the Chicago Blackhawks and Tampa Bay Lightning — have won the Cup on the backs of a first overall selection. First, we’ll talk about the rare success stories. With the help of Sidney Crosby (2005) and Marc-Andre Fleury (2003), the Penguins parlayed top picks into the past two Stanley Cup titles, along with a championship in 2009. In a previous Penguins era of dominance, Mario Lemieux (1984) served as the centrepiece for Pittsburgh’s run to the Cup in 1991 and 1992. The Blackhawks reached the top in 2010, 2013 and 2015, with Patrick Kane (2007) delivering on his first overall promise. Since 1988, Vincent Lecavalier (1998) is the only other first pick to lead his team all the way to the championship. http://ottawasun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators/dahlin-is-the-prize-but-picking-number-one-doesnt-often-lead-to-finishing-number-one

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:51 pm EST

Bye Bye NO Pig Fuckers ;-)

rangerlou


Sat Apr 21 2018 7:07 pm EST

Nice to see the debbies go down. TB all the way...

Limbo


Sat Apr 21 2018 5:52 pm EST

And Arc don't be smug until you answer the question; who is this top line center we get right now that makes us whole in your mind. Where you say, I'm, we got the guy? He doesn't exist for the 15th time, not in draft eligible form. So what's the answer? Do you really think if we could get a 22 yr old Lindros I wouldn't want that player? You'd have to be out of your mind to think that, of course I would. We need a right D more, imo, but saying only I want a Cup when the guy isn't breathing lol, that's Alice in Wonderland shit. Meantime, don't worry, I won't list all the no. 1 overall franchise saving centers like Tavares and McDavid that are watching playoffs rather than participating.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 5:28 pm EST

VIC - Did you watch any of the Jet -Wild series? It was like and NHL team vs and AHL also ran..STAAL did not get eliminated...The undermanned and outcoached WILD did..AS for STAAL in NY, it was a clusterfuck from the get go..1st off, GOrdo the clown should ha ve thought longer about who to bring in for his coach (you know, like Neil Smith got the exact payers KKenan NEEDED).... AV had no idea how to use him..yo-yoed him all over the place..which is somethinng you dont do to a new player on a new team..1st C, 2nd C, 3rd C, LW, RW....but.and it's a big BUT...Staal equally shares the blame for not performing in his short stay....he's a professional..he gets the job done no matter the situation....Just like the wortheless Namestnikov so far..Hopefully the Invisible Man either gets dealt or is able to find his place for his perimiter game under a new coach

Hospo


Sat Apr 21 2018 5:09 pm EST

And I'm not talking about centers. I've several times demonstrated how I believe we're deep enough, with quality to have what it takes to win. I believe the rally was 5 former no. 1 picks as centers, with a 6th (Howden) also on the depth chart. But I am talking about bringing in a defenseman, definitely. And I do think it'd work, splendidly.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 5:04 pm EST

Vic I did show you where it worked. I've also shown you how teams have won with guys (like Kreji & Kopitar) outside your drafting sweet spot which isn't obtainable for this team, not this year because the player doesn't exist lol. I've also shown more than once the center depth we do have, and how the player you want so desperately as a top center might well already be here in Chytil, he's just been camoflouged a bit in how we drafted him. So I don't know what else to tell you. What is the team supposed to do now, exactly? You tell me. Forfeit the whole season after we just did a half season? When is it ok to compete again, to try? I've seen that nonsense here so many times I could spit. So & so is available as a rental but no no no, wait until he's a ufa, we dont give anyone up. Backwards logic like that is how we didn't have Shattenkirk against Ottawa when a powerplay goal or two gets us to the semis - in spite of putrid goaltending - versus a badly banged up Pens team we probably beat, to them face a decimated Nashville team we also probably would have beaten. And again, with Step & Brassard, that would be flattened that argument. You can argue this stuff all day but being a broken record goes nowhere when its not possible, when there is no Lindros II we can get our hands on. Check Toronto tonight, see how they do with their no. 1 overall SuperStud center, who so far has only what was an insurance goal eventual game winner and is down 3-1 and in a world of trouble.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 4:45 pm EST

Vic- crickets!!!! Not gonna get an answer for that question because there’s only one right answer!!!!! But you may get the old switch and bait (which seems to be the only other possible way to answer that question.

_Arc


Sat Apr 21 2018 3:57 pm EST

RF: I hope that BOUCHARD is attainable at the draft.. Outside of The Dahlin Clementine, he's the defenseman on my wish list... Naturally, I want the second overall pick SVECHNIKOV too.... There are references out there that the Rangers are using some high tech in their draft formulations, maybe we hey mine a diamond or two in the rough......

mf


Sat Apr 21 2018 3:52 pm EST

RF4L - No like the Jets?? A shame...One of the few teams in the NHL i enjoy watching..I hope they win the Cup and hurt people along the way! Them and Nashville should be a war of a series! (the best the NHL has to offer)..But you are right about staal not deserving the Blame..Wild were so shorthanded..outcoached and the Jets were just that much better..

Hospo


Sat Apr 21 2018 3:27 pm EST

GG: It depends on who you are acquiring, for what role and what your definition of success is. In today's NHL If you are acquiring a #1 Center who is over 30 and you define success as making the playoffs then yes, you can be successful. However, if your definition of success is winning a Cup then the last 15 years (post lockout really) show you pretty clearly that you aren't going to be successful. Depth players in their 30s? Sure. Complimentary players in their 30s? Sure. But #1 "carry the team" forwards??? Nope. It isn't me saying that. It is history. Show me where it worked? Who were the Cup winners? Because that is all I care about.

Vic


Sat Apr 21 2018 3:03 pm EST

And btw this antiquated notion you cant get another teams player and get performance is another joke. Look in the rafters at #11, it's with the Cup banner. Graves, Jagr hell Mike Rodgers, Mike Gartner, Gretz, Shanny, Larouche, there's been plenty of very successful acquisitions. To auto-assume the glass is half empty rather than half full (with beer!) depends on the person. I really don't see much objective reason for negativity. The worst is past imo. We're just stuck in a holding pattern until the draft.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 2:53 pm EST

mf: Bouchard is a fabulous prospect IMO.

rF4l


Sat Apr 21 2018 12:39 pm EST

For any of you folks doing a little "scouting" EVAN BOUCHARD is a late-1999 born player, so he has already played three seasons of junior hockey. That could account for some of his dominance this season, but like Conor Timmins last year, his high-end play should not be diminished because of his age. Bouchard is an incredible talent and could be closer to the NHL than some others in this draft class.......... The Numbers.......... In 67 games with London, Bouchard led all CHL defenders with 87 points - outscoring top prospects like Kale Clague, Conor Timmins, Cal Foote and Juuso Valimaki. What makes his numbers even more impressive is the fact that, while he is an elite powerplay quarterback, Bouchard also led OHL defenders with 45 5v5 points.......... Not only did Evan Bouchard lead all draft eligible defensemen in production this season, he led all CHL defenders - regardless of age - in points per game played.......... https://www.milehighhockey.com/2018/3/23/17135990/2018-nhl-draft-prospects-evan-bouchard-london-knights

mf


Sat Apr 21 2018 11:00 am EST

I’d argue that the NHL is still a developmental league for players. You’re beyond strength and conditioning (sometimes) and other of the prerequisites by the time that you get to the NHL. But nothing will prepare you for the pace and speed of the game. Even the players that suck are on teams that can hurt you. And probably the biggest thing is the film room. I’d argue that Av would not have been a good coach if he didn’t inherit a team that wasn’t grown under Tortorella. For all his shortfalls as coach young players grew up under his coaching. And in the end AV inherited a team of pros who didn’t need development. They needed a plan. And that’s what AV brought. And as the New York Rangers incorporated young guys and jettisoned veterans I don’t think AV was a good enough teacher. And it showed as they became less and less successful. And of course they let Anton Stralman go. The most underrated stupid move that no one speaks about enough. Their best 2-way defenseman. But I won’t get started on a team that saw more value in the Girardi pylon.

E


Sat Apr 21 2018 10:09 am EST

On the coaching front, Babcock might be available by about 10pm.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 9:10 am EST

See now Kis, that's actually correct. That's what Kreider said. Unless you want to ditch about 10 very solid NHL players for no good reason, there's no NEED for the total teardown fantasy rebuild. This rankles some for reasons I can't fathom. It's not what they're doing, nor should they imwo.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 21 2018 9:07 am EST

if the plan is a rookie coach with a rookie laden team, it's going to be a long time to become a cup contender every year..... Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 17m17 minutes ago Rangers focus on college coaches as search continues #NYR

stevielegs


Sat Apr 21 2018 9:03 am EST

kis fishboy has put them in that spot unless he has enough rope from jimmyboy to fill the roster with others in the meantime , ala viva las vegas. then he can make sure the kids are beyond the ahl and ready to play in the nhl. it's supposed to be a rebuild not a rush too much....too soon....but developmental will be where they are as rookies....learning to be a pro takes time....that's why teams always need a few vets to teach along with a hands on coach....watching video tapes and getting lectures is not enough....then their heads are filled with do this do that don't do this or that confusion....they have to get hockey instincts and be allowed use them....not have the screaming parent coach distracting them with go go boys bs.....and 6 million instructions every game.....watching that was sickening.....

stevielegs


Sat Apr 21 2018 9:01 am EST

KIS: I suspect that's Dolans just spouting the party line but for sure the team needs a coach who knows how to handle young players.

rF4l


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:50 am EST

Since when are the Rangers a developmental team? Is the NHL a developmental league. Want development keep the kids at Hartford. Yes, the Rangers might have a young team but these could should be ready if they are in the NHL. Skjei 3rd season not development . Shatt Staal, Kreidere fast Zbad Hayes are not development. some of the other kids like Pionk Chytl Anderson need to get to speed quickly. Get a coach that can mix all his ingredients together to make a good team.

KIS


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:48 am EST

Vic: Yes Staal takes some blame for his ineffectiveness with the Rangers but to absolve AV of any blame is IMO wrong. AV put him on the 3rd line as a wing for crying out loud. Yeah, his play arguably warranted that but if that's the case, most of the Ranger forwards should have playing 3rd line left wing. The entire team sucked. Giving up 2 2nds to me meant the coach should have done a lot more to try to get the asset acquired going. Anyways, thankfully AV is gone. He was deadman walking for the past 2 years.

rF4l


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:31 am EST

RF4L: Maybe just a little..;-).....But I couldn't resist after the way history has been revised around here to make it seem like STAAL was the great one that got away. He was abysmal in his short stay with NY and it had nothing to do with AV. There are a lot of things you can blame AV for but STAAL's horrendous and brief stint with the Rangers wasn't one of them in my book. When that season ended I wanted nothing to do with him and hoped the Rangers didn't extend him an offer. They saw the same things and didn't. I give STAAL credit for working hard to get back in shape and for resurrecting his career. But it took his colossal failure in NY to wake him up.

Vic


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:22 am EST

Stuporfananalogy,,,chase after other trams stars and give up 5he farm for them. Been there done that the latest being dick rash some are too blinded by the shine too learn

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:17 am EST

Vic: Methinks that's a little nasty. First, no Suter and then they lost Parise. Second, the Winnipeg Jerks are a bunch of thugs. Third, the Jerks are a superior team due to years and years of crappiness allowing them to draft the likes of Laine, Trouba, Ehlers, etc. I watched a couple of games - the only Wild player that really stood out was Dumba.

rF4l


Sat Apr 21 2018 8:10 am EST

I see that the great ERIC STAAL has been eliminated from the playoffs. What a shocker. 2 points and a minus 3 in 5 games....

Vic


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:36 pm EST

Nobodys good enough unless - talk about shiny - it's a no. 1 overall destined for hockey immortality lol!! Gimme a break with SuperFanology. If the 3 pillars of success as I saw mentioned are top forward, D & net, well Zib is drafted ahead of Kopitar and a very similar player. He can be a dynamite playoff performer for us easy. I take Karlsson over Doughty but that's a pick'em. But get him, that's 2 of 3, and our best center again might be the kid who was a surefire top 5 in Chytil except we snatched him late when no one was looking because he barely qualified. That 3rd pillar we don't have here but he's in house in Shysterkin. So this is the biggest bunk ever, like we can't win unless we draft Loston Matthews, who should be polishing up his golf clubs. Fore!!

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 20 2018 8:43 pm EST

Never thought I’d be routing for philly

rngrsans


Fri Apr 20 2018 7:49 pm EST

Jeff Gravley ‏ Verified account @jgravleyWRAL .... Just spoke with Rod Brind'Amour who is interested in the @NHLCanes head coaching job. "I told him (Tom Dundon) if he’s going to start looking, start with me."

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 20 2018 5:55 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Bill Peters was never going to be the Rangers’ next coach, but I’m hearing Peters to Calgary is a done deal. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 20 2018 5:16 pm EST

Let Peters go up to Calgary and cuck up that motley crew. Take the joy out of one of the fun teams in the league.

E


Fri Apr 20 2018 4:13 pm EST

Doughty I would be VERY surprised if he was moved. The only time a player like that is going to be let go to free agency/trade is if the team is rebuilding and you want the boatload of stuff in return to fast track that effort. I don't see LA there YET. They aren't far away. As has been mentioned ad nausea everywhere you need the three pillars. A big time featured defenseman, and top notch center and a goaltender. The combo of Doughty, Quick, and Kopitar form the core of many wins and likely many to come. When I look at Doughty and I compare his situation to say, EK I dare say that Ottawa needs to move him. He doesn't seem too keen on staying there himself and they are rebuilding. They are looking at him more as currency at this point.

E


Fri Apr 20 2018 4:07 pm EST

For me Peters is a retread. No thanks.

rF4l


Fri Apr 20 2018 3:53 pm EST

And, not for nothing, but the Ranger-Canes games had to be the worst examples of boring NHL hockley on the planet this past year..Glad both AV and Peters are gone, even if temporarily..

Hospo


Fri Apr 20 2018 3:52 pm EST

E - Totally agree on Peters. .and the similarities between Peters/Canes and AV/Rangers....They are another team that underperformed for long stretches despite their young skill (even if soft)....Then again, when you are coached to play with little emotion and physicality through the entire line-up, it's easy to get in that funk.....And why the choice of coach for the Rangers, and the style he plays, is huge..

Hospo


Fri Apr 20 2018 3:42 pm EST

Talk is Peters heading to Calgary...

rF4l


Fri Apr 20 2018 3:32 pm EST

No to Bill Peters. Might as well just kept AV since they like to play the same style. I'd rather take my chances on someone who has no NHL experience vs. a retread who sees the game strictly as a skill game 4 lines thru. No more boring hockey and soft hockey. Thats not my formula for success. And I can show you an awful lot of playoff tape thus far that shows you that the game still is physical. Watch TO and Boston Bruins and watch them smack around TO and watch the violets shrivel up and die. Now look at SJ. They kept it clean. They didn't get into the post whistle stuff but they completed every check and took time and space away from Anaheim. Wanna be a clean team? Fine. But you gotta be a physical and surly bunch of red nosed hockey players. Thats how you're going to win in the east. Lots of size, speed, and skill.

E


Fri Apr 20 2018 3:30 pm EST

Count Doughty out.... Drew Doughty is looking to begin contract extension talks with the Los Angeles Kings.... Days after the team was swept out of the playoffs by the expansion Vegas Golden Knights, the Norris Trophy finalist reiterated his desire to remain a King for the foreseeable future.... "I always wanted to be an L.A. King and I want to stay an L.A. King," Doughty said during exit interviews Friday, according to NHL.com's Dan Greenspan. "I can't remember what day we can start talking, but I'm sure we will when the time comes".... Doughty can become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, 2019, but can sign an extension with the Kings beginning the same date this year. A new deal won't come cheap, though. Doughty is on record saying he and Erik Karlsson of the Ottawa Senators deserve "quite a bit more" money than P.K Subban's annual cap hit of $9 million, highest among all defensemen.... Although the Kings exited the playoffs as early as possible, Doughty sees a bright future for the franchise..... "(General manager) Rob Blake and (president of business operations) Luc Robitaille, they took this job because they want to win and they want to transform this team into their winning ways again," Doughty said. "Whether or not they do a lot in the offseason, I don't know, but we have these young guys coming up that I think are going to make a difference. I think that shows me how much potential we have in the future and I'm good with it and I'm happy to hopefully re-sign here."

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 20 2018 2:52 pm EST

LIMBO: Agreed. Could you imagine if the Rangers were actually planning on TB winning the Cup this year and imploding next year so that the Rangers get a lottery pick out of it???? LOL, that would be insanity! People think trading for the Buffalo or Arizona lottery position this year is "taking a big risk". That would be an off the charts risk. No....I think the Rangers were just hoping to get another late 1st rounder out of it if Tampa won a Cup this year or next year.

Vic


Fri Apr 20 2018 2:34 pm EST

Vic - I agree. Seemed like Gorts blinked. Even if we had to take Karlsson's sloppy seconds, for the reasons you mentioned, the return probably would have been more than we got from TB. The only rational explanation is he wanted to clean house ASAP. Which sounds like a dumb way of upgrading assets. Now, if TB wins the cup, then craps the bed in 19, and NYR win the lottery and get a stud to lead the team for the next 15 years, I'll have to rethink it...

limbo


Fri Apr 20 2018 2:30 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago Which one of these #NYR lookalikes are actually brothers? ????????

stevielegs


Fri Apr 20 2018 2:22 pm EST

so is peters the next coach ?

stevielegs


Fri Apr 20 2018 1:55 pm EST

ANDREI: Whoa dude.....where did that come from??? I don't recall ragging on GORTON and claiming that I am a better GM then him. In fact, I've been pretty supportive of most of his moves, although that is besides the point. Am I not allowed to question a trade? Am I not allowed to express an opinion? And for the record if you reread what I wrote you will clearly see that I don't have any problem with them trading McDONAGH or MILLER. Hell, I don't have any problem with them trading anyone. If you have been around here a long time (and I know you have) you should also know that I am one of the folks who hates spending big money on 30 year players for what they have done in the past (especially for other teams). Trading McDONAGH (and MZA) are things that I would absolutely be onboard with. My issue was that there was no need to force a trade for either (especially MILLER) at the deadline. The Rangers had another full year before they HAD to move McDONAGH, and they maintain salary control on MILLER as an RFA. After the shitty, injury filled season it might have been a better idea to hold onto McDONAGH until next year and trade him at the deadline then. And I've heard this comment that "the Rangers wouldn't have gotten as much for either at the draft". How the hell do you or anyone else know what the Rangers could or would be able to get at the draft. You don't think that Buffalo or Arizona would be really interested in trading their current draft lottery slot for a package of McDONAGH, MILLER and the Rangers slot at #8???? I think both teams would be very interested in a package like that. And I would much prefer the Rangers taking a chance at drafting DAHLIN that way they acquiring a few prospects who may or may not ever have a significant NHL career. At the deadline you have a handful of teams that are looking to acquire players. At the draft you have the entire league to trade with.

Vic


Fri Apr 20 2018 1:28 pm EST

Bill Peters had one year left on his Carolina deal, but resigned because that's how little he still wants to coach for the Hurricanes. It says a lot for that franchise :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 20 2018 12:59 pm EST

Uh, oh, shh, don't tell Gorton...Bill Peters resigns as hurricanes coach....https://www.nhl.com/app/news/bill-peters-resigns-as-carolina-head-coah/c-298143062

RF73


Fri Apr 20 2018 12:25 pm EST

Vic, reasons why Rangers needed to move Miller and McD are very simple. Money!!! Decision was maid that team would not be investing $ into new contracts. I'm sure decision was maid after Miller's agent let the team know that his client will be looking at (5 * 5) or even (5 * 6). McD is looking for (7 * 7). it was clear that team had no desire to invest that much cap space into either one of them. Simple scenario. Miller stayed with the team. Scored 2 more goals, and say got 3 more assists. Prior to the trade, he had 13 goals and 27 assists. After the trade he would have ended up with 15 goals and 30 assists. Do this number spell $5 mil per? Not to me.. That's what Miller will be getting this summer as RFA. Say Rangers going into draft with Miller as an asset available in a trade. How many teams do you think will be lining up offering top value for a 25 year RFA asking for a $5 mli per???? There is no magic. No conspiracy theories are needed. It is easy to see him succeeding on the line with Kuch and Stamkos. He does not have to think. All the thinking is done for him. Once you take that away, and he needs to use his hockey sense, he is in trouble. That's what team management saw in Miller and that's why he needed to be moved. Rangers would have gotten a lot less during the draft for Miller. Gordon is not a noob. There is no magic. Teams know who is available and when. GM's talk constantly. Gordon had offers for Miller and knew what he would have gotten in return for him during trade deadline and during draft. If he traded him TB then TB offered the most. Love how people here talk about trades. "If i was Gordon, i would have gotten this, or he should have gotten that". Gordon is a GM of one of the wealthiest team in the world. Don't you all think that if he making a trade, his team has not done their homework??? "Gordon should have done this, should have done that Gordon should have maid the team better over the summer. He screwed up by not addressing this position or that position"... Love it. There are 100 better GM's here on the wall. Everyone is smarter and more knowledgeable then a person that get's paid to be a GM of the NY Rangers. It is funny to read the wall, sometimes....

andrei


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:55 am EST

RF4L— there are rumors out here of the Kings being willing to move him this Summer for a killer package. Big risk there though, as he loves it here and could come back as a free agent. I would assume that his agreeing to an extension would be required by any team willing to make a big offer for him. I am not worried about the Rangers and Doughty. The Rangers don’t have the goods to send to LA to get him. He would rule in NYC though.

Bob


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:45 am EST

Vic: Re the McD/Miller trade. While it's tough to determine what might have been available then and at the draft (so criticizing the deal because no number 1 center was acquired), what I do agree with on is the bundling of what was arguably the best 2 trade assets into a single deal vs trading them in separate deals means the return is compromised. That said, it's way too early to decide the outcome of that deal. McD might only be a Bolt for 18 months - they win the cup in that time then fine trade for them; they don't and he signs elsewhere next summer, not so much. Miller is a good player - how good remains to be seen. Something else to gauge over time. There's a ton of hatred on here for Name - I do get the disappointment but I am reserving judgement for a while; let's see how he (and the other young and/or new Rangers) does under a new regime. And all those picks and prospects - that could take up to 5 years to score.

rF4l


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:40 am EST

Bob: The Leafs could use Doughty for sure but given his age and contract status, I'd stay the hell away from him for sure. I am assuming some team next summer will step up and give him a huge contract and I am certain halfway through that contract, that team will be regretting it. He's a very good player but I think he's in for a huge downturn in effectiveness in the next 3 or 4 years.

rF4l


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:37 am EST

Vic: Yes it will be interesting to see what the Leafs do this off-season. Boston IMO is better than the sum of their parts but still I figured the Leafs would put up a better showing. That said, Ron Hainsey is a fixture on their top pairing and that really says it all in terms of where the team's weakness is. I suspect if McD had more than 18 months left on his deal, the Leafs would have worked harder to get him. That they didn't is an indication of where management believes their team is currently (which is still a work in progress). Changes are coming because 4 regulars are hitting the UFA market in July (Moore, Bozak, JVR and Komerov) and perhaps 1, at best, will be back. Matt Martin has been Babcocked and given his paycheque, I find it hard to believe he'll be back, too. Then there's the big 3 and their pending contracts, starting this summer with Nylander. I get your take on Nylander - at times he looks like a top line winger and at other times, he's invisible. I think he's still a work in progress. Matthews is the real deal but this is only his 2nd year in the league and he missed extended stretches this season 3 times due to injuries. What he needs to learn is to bring some physicality to his game. He's a big boy who's strong on his skates - there is no reason for his continual turning away from physical play. I can only assume it's not in him mentally, but that can be learned (and I don't mean fight and drive guys thru the boards). I think it'll come. To call him a bust, as some are, is just plain kneejerk, emotional stupidity IMO. Marner, interestingly enough, is showing the best of the 3 and I say that because he was quite mediocre until February, when his game really took off. If he can stay relatively injury free (re avoid getting plastered into oblivion) he could become an annual top 10 point producer. What they are also suffering from is a lack of physicality, which given the pressboxing of Martin, is befuddling. Babcock is a good coach, but like many seasoned coaches, he can be extremely stubboron, sticking to his choices sometimes at the perceived expense of his team.

rF4l


Fri Apr 20 2018 9:33 am EST

Mark Spector ‏ Verified account @SportsnetSpec ..... Jets goalie Steve Mason just left the ice, injured.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 20 2018 8:40 am EST

Stevie I don't know about Gross emails but I did mean to ask if anybody remembers the old NYTimes Ranger forum? That was first one I remember back in the dialup says, though I know a lot of members are no longer with us. Otherwise I'd rather not encourage the little bag of shit. 0 hockey posts for months now, you'd think the admin would say something, at least once lol. Anybody care to imagine what yours truly would be like if ALL I did was personally attack? It's a joke, but I guess I should feel special lol. People can't handle hockey arguments so that's what they do. Wait until Toronto is ousted. SuperFans are in for a long summer hahaha.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 20 2018 8:23 am EST

This Bill Watters fellow said that Nylander’s father was supremely talented but always played to 40% of his ability, and that his kid does the same. He then said that the Leafs should trade Nylander and their #1 pick to LA for Drew Doughty. I laughed so hard I nearly ran off the freeway.

Bob


Fri Apr 20 2018 8:04 am EST

I know we've beaten the trade with Tampa to death but I'm going to hit it with a club again. That was the only trade that I had a problem with because it was unnecessary. It felt like the Rangers rushed to make that particular deal. It doesn't bother me that they wanted to move McDONAGH and MILLER for reasons only known to the team. The two things that bothered me about the trade at the time were: 1) Those two players were perhaps the Rangers biggest trading chips. To move them in the same deal and not get back a potential future #1 Center or potential future #1 D was a huge failure in my book. It was a waste of their best assets. Consider what the Rangers could have gotten in moving up in the draft had they used those assets to trade with someone like Buffalo or Arizona. The 2nd issue is the need to move MILLER at all. If there was an issue with the coach (who you intended to fire at the end of the season) then why trade MILLER at the deadline for a lesser return. It makes no sense to me. MILLER is one of the few Ranger forwards who was built to play and succeed in the playoffs. And they traded him for another finesse perimeter player who hasn't demonstrated that he is any more skilled then MILLER. I guess we will have to see how this all plays out but right now GORTON cancelled out all of the good he did in trading NASH, GRABNER and HOLDEN at the deadline with that last deal with Tampa.

Vic


Fri Apr 20 2018 7:55 am EST

RF4L: It will be very interesting to see what Toronto does this off season. I know a lot has been expected out of MATTHEWS. He has looked really good at times in this series when I have been watching. He will need to learn how to fight through to be successful and dominant in the playoffs. I think he gets there but it may take another year or two. The guy who has really been a disappointment to me has been NYLANDER. I haven't watched every minute of every game in this series but when I have watched he has been invisible. I have to believe his stock has dropped some. Still young (only turns 22 in May) but maybe they consider moving him. They certainly need help on D. I'd take a chance on NYLANDER if the price is right. MARNER has looked good to me. His speed and quickness make him a threat in the playoffs despite his size. I doubt they trade him. Guys who I want no part of are JVR and BOZAK. JVR is a poor man's NASH. And I don't mean that in a good way. And BOZAK is little more then a warm body.

Vic


Fri Apr 20 2018 7:34 am EST

Gggg how much was the nyr alarm? Gross used to send emails when people posted on a subject.

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:13 pm EST

Lololol., careful superblowfish, take a day or 2 or 3 away from sleeping beside your ranger board alarm. your gonna stroke out dude!

Ranger Dude


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:06 pm EST

Screw the Maple Leafs & No. 1 overall SuperStud Loston Matthews.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:00 pm EST

VIC -So true about the Leafs and the Rangers..And we've been saying that for how long?? And Gordo stood their with his thumb up his ass..Hope it's finally dawned on him...Regular season ice capades are one thing, the POs are another

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 9:52 pm EST

Vic: Yeah, so true on the Leafs. It'll be very interesting to see what they do this off-season.

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 9:47 pm EST

The Leafs need to add superstrokerfan favourite Kovalme - that's their missing ingredient!

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 9:31 pm EST

Wait... how can Toronto be facing elimination? With Generational SuperTalent Austin Matthews?! Impossible!! There must be a mistake.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 9:16 pm EST

Toronto reminds me so much of the Rangers in a lot of ways. A finesse team that plays mostly perimeter hockey. They overpass the puck in the offensive zone and pass up golden chances to try to make the beautiful play. Then they turn the puck over and it costs them big. I hope GORTON is paying attention to this series. We all know the Rangers need more talent, especially top end talent. But the Rangers also need to build a much more in your face, straight to the net type of team. They need that balance. Because to win in the playoffs you have to score dirty, grinding goals. You have to play a simple game and take advantage of the chances you get.

Vic


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:35 pm EST

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Ranger47


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:29 pm EST

Out of your league haha. Screwed up my own punchline there which was pretty funny. But dude, you know thats insane what you just posted, right? Beat Carolina lol. Why must you think it's ALL OR NOTHING?

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:26 pm EST

Arc, with that complete mischaracterization? Totally out of my league LOL!!

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:24 pm EST

G slow down there with the dramatics chief! lemme spell it out for you; from our previous conversation it was established what I consider winning (the god damned Stanley Cup) and what you consider ‘winning’’ (some regular season wins) is drastically different (thus the analogy with a $5 lottery ticket vs $5 million). So in my view if you didn’t win the Stanley cup then you lost the Stanley cup. I don’t give a rats ass about a win against the Carolina hurricanes but I get it that floats your BOAT. having Kavalvhuck, not only does it not increase our chances at winning the cup, I don’t think it even gets us into the playoffs. So aside from giving you, G^2, so much satisfaction from getting a win or so a week, it DOES NOTHING for many of us super fans who dream of a championship. Dude seriously, wtf? If I hated a team and wanted the most pain for its fanbase, I would hope they do what you propose (LOSE just enough to not get into the playoffs AND WIN just enough that your chances of drafting any difference makers is pretty slim. So what does that make you?

_Arc


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:07 pm EST

Hey Yorkie! NYStranger it's not me who assumes the worst with every single proposition. I don't automatically expect more mercenaries lol. I think those two are it. Ones UFA, no problem there. The other, if it's possible, and you saw the owner allude to it today, I think it's something affordable or they won't do it. Simple. I keep saying the focus will be on a young team, absolutely. But people only see back or white. And I don't automatically paint the front office as know nothings.superFans ALWAYS do, they know everything lol, and are snug & nasty about it.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:37 pm EST

'94 I would never give up and redo, but you can't say they built that team to win more than once, maybe a second go round at most. The Rangers gave up the long term to win it all and it worked. That one time. Just don't want the team to constantly try and build a team to win it all just once, every year. It only worked once in 78 years, so far. Would like them to build a team designed to win for a decade and maybe you win a Cup or two or three. Pitts and Chicago are the models I want them to follow. Not the let it all ride on a 33 year old Messier and friends part duex model. LOL

NYStranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:34 pm EST

Sal what you cant understand is ideas that disagree with yours and yoy throw out the superfan term like its poison your Superblowfish!

Ranger Dude


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:28 pm EST

I think I would be a lot more into that Kovy, Karlssen route if the team was already a couple of years into this phase, whatever you label it. And if Karlsen was just a UFA signing. I think he will cost too much in a trade, unless you can simultaneously get rid of Staal and or Shattenkirk in the deal. I said it already, I think this very well may be the way the Rangers go. For better or worse they can't help themselves but to bid on the shiny new candy. Would it be entertaining? Probably. But it would also probably end up just being a good team but not great. Now if they got both of those guys on the cheap, AND still got a stud or two in the next two drafts, or in trades. Then well....maybe...!!

NYStranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:24 pm EST

And not for nothing, but 94? Pretty darn cobbled together too. By that team, the team the past 4-5 years, and the current group? Still enough homegrown guys to build around and replenish and be dynastical lol, or whatever word was used. What you want is perennial contention. No reason we can't have that.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:21 pm EST

And Hospo youre right. You have said the opposite. You somehow dont see this guy is done which I can't explain, but a lot of people can't.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:16 pm EST

See, I don't agree with that. Said other day, you swap Hank with Quick we got a Cup. Maybe people agree or not but had it happened, it would have proven you can cobble it together, use Euro free agents like Zuc and big trades and win. Imo, it was the homegrown guy who fucked us! Be that as it may, they didn't win though it came down to a few goals & I still think we outplayed them way more minutes. You can say they didn't get over the finish line but the 4-5 year playoff run was undeniable, I think it was the most or 2nd most in the league. But to each his own. People can root against harm like kovalchuk scoring for us lol, hope to tank, etc, whatever. I'll take my chances with Karlsson Kchuck & a bunch of kids, thank you. Because that's what there is. If they want to go buckwild for a no.1 overall thats what theyll do, but it's unlikely at best.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:01 pm EST

GG what he is getting at is we might win but just enough to stay mediocre. Unfortunately in pretty much all sports today you have to be really bad to get really good. Are there ways around it? Shortcuts? Maybe. But they don't work very often and never get teams the dynastic formula.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 5:01 pm EST

And really if that's what any SuperFan thinks I think it shows they don't even understand where the team is. They want the perpetual rebuild even when its not necessary so they can play Gm all day. No good players, good players we have don't deserve contracts, trade everyone off the team for futures even when history plainly shows most prospects FLOP. So I think they've just got this whole NHL hockey thing upside down. Go look at what Kreider (odds-on next captain) said. I guess he only wants shiny things too.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:58 pm EST

Hospo I sure would feel much better about Gorton or any Rangers GM if Sather was officially out of the picture. We have no idea how much influence he has over what is happening and I have zero faith in him. He has been a stain on this franchise and Dopey can not see it through all the cigar smoke.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:55 pm EST

Well I'm pretty sure he said Kovalchuk would score too much and we might win, which is really too screwed up for me to contemplate.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:52 pm EST

I think Arc is saying tank or don't tank but don't half ass it. Which is what was done. Bob Sather screwed up on contracts because he was still working from a pre Cap mentality and could not adjust. He hated giving young players the bigger long term deals and always forced the bridge deal rout. Which of course ment that by the time the player was due his big pay day the going rate was just that much bigger, both in terms of the players own accomplishments and in terms of what league comparables were. In this system no one gets less over the course of time. The right thing to do, it seems, is to pin point which guys you believe to be the real deal, lock them up early, and trade those you are not sure about while they're still young to keep the feeder system healthy.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:41 pm EST

GG - Where did I say that a rebuilding team should want and need a goalie and salary like the King?? I have said the opposite..........BOB - Gordo's work in Boston is old News....Hell, people on here that give him that "in the past" defense/excuse are the same that only care what Neil Smith did after he won that silly little Cup...In the world of what have you done for me lately, Gordo in Boston mean's nothing, all that matters is GORDO helped run this team into the ground to where it was the worst team in the league by the end of last year...But, luckily, by Septemeber that will be old news also..What matter is what Gordo does this summer and how the moves of the deadline work out..It will be interesting..

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:38 pm EST

Arc did you just say now you want to tank an ENTIRE season?

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:29 pm EST

HOSPO--I love the back and forth, and I am sure that I give Gorton more rope than you because I despise Glen Sather and the damage he has done to the franchise over the prior 6 years. That arrogant legend in his own mind is the real reason for the retool........Stralman for Dan Boyle (good Lord), the mishandling of the contracts of Callahan, Staal and Girardi and the tossing away of draft picks for washed up former stars. Gorton did good work when he was in Boston and now he has the chance here. Will he succeed? Who knows? I hope so.

Bob


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:22 pm EST

fishboy knows it was sather, but he couldn't do anything but try to undo it....and he made his own mess, while keeping assvipe for his fall guy after screwing up by giving him 2 years for no good reasons except he made the playoffs...he should have been canned 6/16 , 12/16, 11/17....he knows he's next if the pattern continues.....in about 2 years....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:17 pm EST

G^2 adding IK is ‘harmless’ eh? I get you’re all excited about $5 jackpot but calling it harmless is a little disingenuous no? Adding IK is basically tantamount to artificially propping up a financial institution or a lame duck dictator; the bill comes due sometime or another. Just like Henke won a bunch of useless game to take us out of the top6 which would have given us a real good shot at landing that special forward or #1D, Kovalchuck will likely do the same; let us win just enough to put that stud out of reach. And then in 3 years....POOF he’s gone and we’re still in the same god damned place as we are today. Listen, if you wanna go for it, I’m all for it; trade Chytil and or LA for a stud on the back end of their career (Patrick Kane/ Karlson/ etc) and go for it. But this half assed thing will get us half assed results;

_Arc


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:08 pm EST

Sure thing Hospo! Don't know what I was thinking. It's just what every rebuilding club wants, a goalie approaching 40!!

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 3:51 pm EST

GG - The time The King really screwed up was when he played out of this world, allowing the Rangers to win some games they shouldnt have, and costing them a Top 5 draft pick!...This team was horredous all year..all starting with keeping AV and Gordo's screwing the pooch over the summer with his roster moves..

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 3:42 pm EST

Hehehe....Gortons plan may have been held together with masking tape, but both he & A/V were reliant on one guy who fell apart - after contributing mightily to a horrendous start.now check this bunch bull; “We told Hank that if he didn’t want to ride it out through this process, we’d find a good landing place for him,” Dolan said during a conversation at his MSG office. “But he said that he wanted to stay and see it through." Translation? We tried! We asked nicely. We didnt want to use the words GLUE FACTORY. We crossed our fingers, toes,a.v even tried crossing his balls! He exercised, so for the remaining 25.5M, he can get bombarded another half season & we'll revisit.Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 3:38 pm EST

BOB - Or maybe Gordo kept AV around as the fall guy for when his incompetent "rebuild on the fly" failed?? Gotta hand it to Gordon though, had done a horrendous job as a GM for 2-3 years (except for GRABNER) up till the trade deadline, yet bought himself 3-4 more years with his failure-induced White Flag Quit Job and being able to use AV, a person he should have fired long agao, as one of the scapegoats..But, all bridge under water, hopefully he can turn the moves of this past deadline and future moves into something right...One can hope

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 3:24 pm EST

I think that the response from all concerned (coaches, players, management) was unacceptable. However, the group with the biggest responsibility and the best opportunity to impact this club positively was the coaches, and they failed miserably. Where Gorton erred was extending AV's contract and signing Smith. AV did not have a care in the world and he behaved like it. He still has $4MM times 2 years coming to him now while sitting on his wallet. IMO, no one could watch this club's performance this year and make any case that AV tried to make......that he adjusted the system to the players he had. Total garbage. We don't know the relationship between AV and Gorton, but I suspect it was not very cordial after Stepan was traded. AV needed to go last Summer. Gorton probably kept him so he would not have to whack a guy immediately after he gave him an extension. Buckle up, because they will suck worse for a couple years before they get better.

Bob


Thu Apr 19 2018 2:41 pm EST

RF4L - True, and part of the reason the kids sucked is because, well, some of the kids suck (and some of the young vets that should have taken a step up had their head up their ass, like usual)!...AV lost the team two years ago, but he was behind the eight ball with the crap roster GORDO gave him for this past season...It was neither going for it..or rebuilding..His "retool on the fly" was garbage and a failure..I hope he does better this time around...We shall see..

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 1:52 pm EST

Hospo: Part of the reason the kids sucked is because the coach sucked, the environment sucked and change was needed. That need, as many of us know, started 2 years ago. Gorton's dilly-dallying cost the Rangers at least a year and created a 3 month hole. AV should have been fired last June. That said, continuing with the same leadership core might have compromised somewhat the new coach's ability to be effective.

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 12:57 pm EST

it's the competitive rebuild repackaged and re-branded.....jimmyboy wants a cup team asap with a coach who can multitask, besides walking and chewing gum.....and they will try to sign at least 1 star.....but you can read into it however you choose, even between the lines or just come up with imaginary facts... he does....and not much of a filter on the truth or his opinions....guess he is going to let sather whither away on the vine until he retires....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 12:31 pm EST

Yeah Hospo I couldn't help notice that large helping of b.s.eithwr, but I think the essence is true. He's talking about Chytil & LA there. That's who they're looking at as the keys to this turnaround. No we didn't see much from the rest, there wasn't much there save for Pionk, who's still looking for his man Lol. But Dolan's just doing some p.r. cleanup but I also think it's largely true. It's why a Kovalchuk is a harmless move here, but we need a few vets. I do think the rest, some of whom I really admire, go next. So 1-2 excellent vets, the 23-26 yr olds we have, plus probably one top 10 pick if he's ready, plus Euro ufas if ready, plus kids already here like Hajak and maybe Lindgren, plus whatever else they bring back via trade. Which I'm sure will be young. Maybe then finally the focus will shift where it should be, on being GOOD, on winning. But again, I think SuperFan or shiny object fan lol, everyone's going to really like it.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 12:11 pm EST

Obviously, DOLAN can say whatever he wants, it's his team..And what he says, goes..So, a devlopmental coach it will be..not a problem....OTOH, he's delusional with his " “He was probably correct, but the next coach is going to have to be able to take the players we have, the young guys we have, and get them to the next level. I liked what I saw in the young guys and so did the staff. ”..The Rangers were the worst team in Hockey form January on and, for the most part, the kids sucked....Just changing the coach wont do it..the roster needs to be overhauled...

Hospo


Thu Apr 19 2018 12:04 pm EST

Listen listen, to each his own. Everyone needn't agree. Its why Baskin Robbins has 31 flavors. It's what the team is doing, my position doesn't need validation. But whats hysterical is SuperFans think this impedes on their dream rebuild, but that's just what that was, a dream LOL. They're remodeling. You guys will get a shit ton of young players but Gorton said several times now you won't have a team of 18 year olds because you can't. If people got their head out of the clouds they'd see a Kchuck move for what it is, which is basically a replacement in the top 6 for Nash, albeit it on the opposite flank. And I don't think there's much question Kovalchuk is at this point the better finisher. In the edge department it's not even a question.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 11:54 am EST

Some armchair GMs are bedazzled by shiny objects.

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 11:53 am EST

Arc: JT would have to accept coming to a rebuilding team, which is why he probably won't consider the Rangers if he hits the UFA market. I couldn't care less about Kovalme - to me he reeks of the Rangers endless penchant for chasing shiny objects. I don't see the fit. But that's just me!

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 11:37 am EST

Kovalchuk wants the big stage, he's only played for two shit franchises. The guy doesn't have to leave his couch but I think he feels he's never gotten his due in the NHL, so it's unfinished business. And the Rangers have been on him back to before he was dealt to N.J.. But it makes sense for us on a practical level. He's exactly the guy you want playing with a high skill kid like Chytil. When Chytil makes a pass that should end up in the net, that's where you want it to go. Kovalchuk will do that, but equally important in my mind is he's a huge mean bastard that'll look out for the kids too. He goes right after giys, he drops the gloves, he fits a kot of what we need. Our powerplay could look like a dream team. So I've never seen any objective reason to oppose such a move, except a bunch of armchair GMs look at age rather than the player that is. Anybody who watched him in the khl or Olympics can see that.i forget which ex-Ranger is over there, maybe Gilroy said he looks like the same player to him. He's an Ovechkin-level player still, mostly, I won't say he's as good as he was at 24, but he's a heck of a player you don't give anyone up to get. What's not to like? The mercenary argument is a joke. People here start bringing up Ulanov lol. No lose situation imo. Entertaining effective player helps for a few years when we're pretty thin & shuffles off.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 19 2018 11:27 am EST

_Arc........exactly......management is sending out mixed messages.....how can you want a Dev Coach but trying to fill the gaps with Star players. If they start filling holes, then it's not a true re-build, is it ? I think we should start moving assets(Hayes, Zinbab etc.) for better players and stay with our own youth and draft some more .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Apr 19 2018 11:23 am EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger ..... Igor Shestyorkin starts for Russia against Lias Andersson's Sweden. Pavel Buchnevich on second line with former Severstal team-mate Dmitri Kagarlitsky and Kirill Semyonov. #NYR .....also.... Filip Chytil anchoring the Czechs second line between Filip Zadina and Dmitrij Jaskin against Finland tonight. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:42 am EST

RF- ‘developmental coach’ thing is prob NOT something Tavares is looking for. Also how does Kovalchuk fit into this thing? I just don’t get what or why this is appealing to him?

_Arc


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:19 am EST

And a shot for sure at the team's leadership issues: “We need strong leadership in the locker room. I don’t think we had great leadership last year.”

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:17 am EST

Rhet: This surely is a sideways shot at AV (from same article): "“I think Alain was a great coach, but a great coach for a developed team. Even though he probably didn’t mean to, he sort of affirmed that himself when he talked after the last game about how he didn’t have the players this year. “He was probably correct, but the next coach is going to have to be able to take the players we have, the young guys we have, and get them to the next level. I liked what I saw in the young guys and so did the staff. The guy we hire has to be a developmental coach, I can’t stress that enough.”

rF4l


Thu Apr 19 2018 10:05 am EST

Do you think this was a shot at AV? I do.... “We’re looking for someone who can develop players and develop a team,” Garden executive chairman Jim Dolan told The Post during a conversation at his MSG office on Wednesday. “We want someone who is going to be able to work with young players — all of our players, really — so that they and we improve from one stage of the season to the next and we’re better at the end of the year than at the beginning... https://nypost.com/2018/04/18/rangers-owner-reveals-what-he-wants-in-the-next-coach/

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 19 2018 9:59 am EST

Darren Dreger ‏ Verified account @DarrenDreger .... Some good college candidates are in the NYR head coaching mix. Montgomery (U of Denver), Quinn (BU) and Sandelin (Minn Duluth). Interesting.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 19 2018 7:40 am EST

MF- I don’t see how we can get both Svechnikov and Bouchard; that would require us moving up twice since it’s pretty obvious at this point that there is a clear cut top6 (after which the talent drops off quite a bit). A team can go off the book and pull one out of the bag but expecting 3 teams to do so would be wishful thinking. Bouchard has been ROCKETING up the boards and might even go before Boqvist. Bye don’t seel Boqvist short either. Personally I might take him over Bouchard (he’s a bit more mobile and better suited for today’s game while Bouchards game is predicated on outstanding vision moreso that athletic ability). But my point is that if we were able to somehow get into the top6 I’d try to get a forward and in the early teens you can get a guy like Noah Dobson who is a little like Bouchard and a RhD. He’s got good size and gets a nice shot off from up top and I think his skating is a tad better than Bouchard. Obviously doesn’t have Bouchard’s vision or passing ability but a good option none the less. But I like how you think; Shoot for the moon. If we can get a 1st line forward And a #1D out of this is throw in the whole rest of the draft (a la Ricky Williams). But it’s gonna take a lot (A LOT) More than Shatty to get it done

_Arc


Thu Apr 19 2018 7:32 am EST

JIMMYBOY can you say jt, kovaltine, and karlsson ?

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 7:21 am EST

“We need strong leadership in the locker room. I don’t think we had great leadership last year,” Dolan said. “I think maybe we added a burden to Ryan when we made him captain that affected him on and off the ice and kind of changed his own perception of himself. But he was a really good player for us for a long time. “And I know we need that one great player who can make a difference. We’ve identified some who might become available, and if they do, we want to be in position where we’re able to get them. We’re building a lot of data and analytics into our decision-making. And it’s important for the new coach to embrace that. “We’re committed to winning the Stanley Cup. I can’t give a timetable, but I also think we can compete for a playoff spot next year and sneak into seventh or eighth place,” he said. “We’re rebuilding but it doesn’t have to take forever.”

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 7:20 am EST

“I think Alain was a great coach, but a great coach for a developed team,” Dolan said. “Even though he probably didn’t mean to, he sort of affirmed that himself when he talked after the last game about how he didn’t have the players this year. “He was probably correct, but the next coach is going to have to be able to take the players we have, the young guys we have, and get them to the next level. I liked what I saw in the young guys and so did the staff. “The guy we hire has to be a developmental coach, I can’t stress that enough.”

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 7:17 am EST

“I think Hank was able to keep us in the playoff race when we probably didn’t really belong there the way the team was playing,” Dolan said. “Having him in place gives us a great foundation going forward.”

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 6:56 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/19/henrik-lundqvist-couldve-left-at-trade-deadline-if-he-wanted-to/amp/

tlats


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:40 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie Larry Brooks Retweeted NHL on NBC Have referees been instructed to overlook headshots? That's the only logical explanation for the absence of a call on this one.

stevielegs


Thu Apr 19 2018 4:13 am EST

I’m still hoping for some 7 game series in the first round so the winners get worn down for the quest to win 16.

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 11:55 pm EST

Well done TB.....McD looked good as did Miller.

Melvillefred


Wed Apr 18 2018 11:42 pm EST

I tried to find the article (to no avail) where Gorton says, "that the Rangers must find the talents / gems in the later rounds..... There's talent that will emerge in those rounds and it's not easy to uncover or anticipate who they will be.............. As for the upcoming Entry Draft SVECHNIKOV & BOUCHARD would be a coup....... Think it was OLA & followed by VIC about trading Shattenkirk & one of our late round 1sts and a prospect to Edmonton for their 1st round pick.... I think we need to take a real close look at that because that gives us a real chance at SVECHNIKOV & BOUCHARD...... Bouchard is bigger than Boqvist, and the writers are plenty impressed with his Poise and game...... SVECHNIKOV is bigger and more physical than ZADINA........... ""SVECHNIKOV & BOUCHARD"" ..... yah man!

mf


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:20 pm EST

17-24 dammit. Either way on Tkachuk, 8 goals in college dont impress me much. If not for his size & name is he even in the top 5?

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:13 pm EST

Arc again I'll defer on draftables to you or most anybody has followed it more closely. I have watched video on consensus top 10 types, didn't like what I saw of Zadina, and Tkachuk I don't expect #s like his dad or anything close really. He looks like a 17-14 goal type, but big time pain in the ass. Which we could use. But not at 4th price of Z or even Hayes imwo.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:06 pm EST

Again as I strive to be pithy lol (I won't succeed this post; too complicated), Hospo the devils in the details always. I can slam Gorto for a lot but the biggest reason Stepan was dealt was his $, which went to Shattenkirk. Think of that move what you will, but again I posted many months ago the infamous letter of surrender, when 2 points from a playoff spot, was brought in by 1. The absolute need to cash in McD, and 2. The belief the goaltending would not be enough to even steal a series let alone go all the way. Now you add in how tight JT was with guys like Step & the fact he could be losing, I don't know, $10m on what deserves to be a pretty big contract, you can see how things got hot. Anyway, once I saw Miller say how happy he was in TB it was a lot easier to move on. But I think it was all tied together & finally blew up, and whatever, bad teams have bad seasons and this was one butt ugly half season. I know you get the part where he's the player type we need more, not less of. And they're sure not easy to find.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:26 pm EST

RF4L - Not angry at all..just not a fence sitter on players..if I'm wrong..I'm wrong...ANyway,..I watch soem of these POs--and especially some of the West stuff--and then compare it with the sleep iniducing play of the Rangers the last two years and guys like Namestnikov...OH well......JT MILLER really really good tonight and finally scored a PO goal!

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:17 pm EST

Geesh Hospo - why so angry all the time!

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:15 pm EST

RF4L - I guess all of us just can be as patinet, open-minded and objective as you..! I just call them as I see them..5 game..15 games..100 games..I dont care..But..never liked him in TB..like him even less as a Ranger..

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:08 pm EST

Hospo...ok but this judgement is being handed down after like 15 games. Wow...! It's beginning to enter the soup sucks zone!!!

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:08 pm EST

There’s no stopping Pens

rngrsans


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:03 pm EST

RF4L - Just in comparison to that waste of flesh Namestnikov......Anyway...I've been slamming the East PO series..and that is epitomized by the limp dick snooze fest of the Flyer-Penguin series where the Penguins have basically been given a free pass into the next round (THey will win the Cup again) but the Devil-Bolt series has had some decent nastiness

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 8:57 pm EST

There is no way you redo that draft and Kucherov isn't #1

Rdw


Wed Apr 18 2018 8:44 pm EST

Wow, such pining over Miller - its like the rangers traded away the 2nd comming of Gordie howe!

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 8:31 pm EST

Hospo- I’m with you on Miller. I though he was really our only physical presence ( no Fast doesn’t count- would you count a gnat hitting you?). If Gorton thought he was gonna flip him in the summer I bet u he didn’t count on him taking a giant sized poo last 15 games. Either way I don’t think you get fair value for him so he’s gotta let him re establish some value. I heard that the rangers received multiple good offers for Miller; wonder what those were!!! Either way, so far Stinky has been quite STINKY. G^2- if you’re picking Brady Tkachuk hoping he scores 50 goals per season, gonna be very disappointed. He’s got great hands and goes to the net without fail but burying it seems to be a problem (little bit like Krieder). But he will make his line mates better and will get points. He can go around you or through you and he makes some really nice reads and passes. Again, I think people make assumptions partly based on family history and body type that he’s a traditional goal scoring power forward but I don’t see it. If you want that guy, go get Zadina ( think selanne). But the guy I want is Svechnikov who’s kinda the combination of the two and doubtless THE offensive threat from this draft!!

_Arc


Wed Apr 18 2018 8:29 pm EST

GG - That seems reasonable...There's lot of blame to go around..starting with horrendous roster building by Gordo, incompetnet coaching and leadership by AV, and sackless effort and pitiful prideless production by too many players..It can only get better, rigth?

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 7:23 pm EST

2011 REDRAFT TOP 10: 1. Mark Scheifele 2. Nikita Kucherov 3. Johnny Gaudreau 4. Jonathan Huberdeau 5. Dougie Hamilton 6. Sean Couturier 7. Rickard Rakell 8. Gabriel Landeskog 9. Ondrej Palat 10. Mika Zibanejad

evets1980


Wed Apr 18 2018 7:18 pm EST

Know what Stevie? I don't know who to blame anymore. How about EVERYBODY involved? If we can agree Miller was more productive at wing - and he & AV saw it that way in the end but not early in the year, then you look upstairs because Gorto's plan to hold on until he could acquire a center didn't make it, the cookie crumbled. Gorton traded Stepan for a center (LA) that didn't make the team AND opted to expose Oscar Lindberg in the expansion draft, filling in only with Desharnais to start, and reaching for help that failed even as a depth center in Boo Nieves, Cracknell, and whoever else took a spin. They had a press conference to say JT would play center, 2 days later he was back at wing - for the umpteenth time. If Miller in fact felt his contract year - at a key point for an RFA about to get his first big contract - was really being unfairly screwed with (i tend to agree from what is known), well I can't fault the coach keeping a productive player where he is. So I'd say Gorton again (even though i think some if this happened as they were trying to get first Duchene and then maybe RNH)is the guiltiest, if that's a word. What a mess. Really typified the season.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 7:00 pm EST

Hospo part of the reason jitters is gone was because of the ex coach. That’s why you need the right horse to pull the cart . The whole team didn’t play good . They didn’t all have the sophomore jinx . They had a complacent coach with an expired shelf life .

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 6:20 pm EST

_ARC - The thing is. i don't know if, skill wise, Namestnikov is that much better than Miller.OTOH, when comfortable, Miller's physicality and willingness to play and gp to the net are much higher..I know it wasn't just a one for one deal, but kinda close..and the Rangers are gonna regret dealing MILLER (the type of player they need) and acquiring Namestnikov (what they already have) unless GORDO can flip him quickly this off season..WHo knows, maybe Gordo was just flapping his gums about getting bigger and tougher to play against??

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 6:13 pm EST

Hope we're not trading Z & Hayes to move up & take Tkachuk who I thought I saw had all of 8 goals this year.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 6:00 pm EST

Vic/ R47- I think one of Hayes or Ziba will go. I think those are the assets that could potentially land us a top5 pick. Hayes/ Ziba and our #9 would be a lot to move up 7 spots but I think that’s what it’s gonna take on the other hand, I think Hayes / Ziba and a 3rd rd pick may get you into the latter top 10 but I’m not sure that helps us unless someone unexpectedly slides to 7-8 range.

_Arc


Wed Apr 18 2018 5:52 pm EST

Schneidw- All things considered I also agre with you on Taking a mulligan with the JT/ Stinky trade but I do get what Gorton was thinking. Skill wise Stinky is better than JT and I’d bet dollars to dounuts that he will be better come next year. There were instances where he flashed and inexplicably would flub the end product and like I always say regression to the mean is inevitable. In a redraft I think Stinky would have followed JT writhing 5-7 picks. All I’m saying is I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. In a watered down sense, you are basically arguing about the merits of Tkachuk vs Zadina in this draft (it’s all in the eye of the beholder)

_Arc


Wed Apr 18 2018 5:11 pm EST

STEVIE - But it's a big tail...Changing the "culture" without changing the players will do little to provide a winning team..Three years ago, this team, Under AV, worked it's ass off every night..Since the beginning of 2017, things started to change...AV's voice was gone...Since then it's been a combination of bringing in the wrong players and holding on to a coach who's shelf life was over..The players (and GORDO for putting the collection together) are just as guilt as AV..BOTH need to be addressed correctly..

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 5:09 pm EST

Mike Commito ‏Verified account @mikecommito 7h7 hours ago On this day in 1999, Wayne Gretzky hung up his skates for the last time #Hockey365 #NYR

stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 5:04 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 7h7 hours ago Brian Burke's last 9 years as NHL team exec, 4 with Toronto, 5 with Calgary: 2 playoff appearances, 1 playoff series victory, 3 coaches fired.

stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:59 pm EST

Hospo Msg has created a culture that needs to be improved. The players are the tail of the dog.

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:39 pm EST

STEVIE - The Problem was that until the last month, the PLAYERS were on cruise control and had no idea what effort and chemistry was..and, of course, it was indeed the coach's job to instill that work ethic and motivation and leadership..And he was a big failure but it was also..Failure all away around..A new coach will help...different players will help even more..THey stick with the same shit, it's a bottom ten year again..

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:34 pm EST

Just more proof after first 1-5 picks it’s a crap shoot not a scientific. Just as viva Las Vegas is proof of a coach has plenty of influence on the outcome of a team. Hopefully fishboy picks one who will prove that with guys many want traded. The same roster as this season with a different coach would not have created a snooze festival. The ex coach was on cruise control with 2 guaranteed years in his mercenary pocket....

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:18 pm EST

schneidw: Do you see who went 58th? Kucherov! 64th was Trocheck. 104th - Johnny Gaudreau. 139th - Andrew Shaw. 160th - Josh Manson. A redo of that draft and all those guys would go first round!!!

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:11 pm EST

WALLSTER test: Please help me... re-order the top 10 selections of the 2011 NHL draft for me and whether you would slot JT Miller in the top 10? THANKS! My Top 3 in order (Scheifele, Couterier, Rakell. I would slot JT Miller at 8 and would have NEVER traded him straight up for Nameskov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_NHL_Entry_Draft

schneidw


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:07 pm EST

HOSPO; Super TOUGH on all young players and especially on Hayes... but after reading his post, it appears Hayes has earned his trust and respect... I agree, sign him!

schneidw


Wed Apr 18 2018 4:06 pm EST

foster grants

stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 3:34 pm EST

Walmart Panama Jack specials!

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 3:27 pm EST

Hospo, I see them...However, are they Maui Jim's or Walmart's?

kitchen1


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:45 pm EST

http://bceagles.com/news/2018/4/18/mens-hockey-kreider-tabbed-distinguished-alumni-award-of-the-woods-college.aspx

stevielegs


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:44 pm EST

I don't see why you wouldn't want a Grabner-Hayes-Fast line next year. One less thing to worry about.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:44 pm EST

Bruno Sammartino passed away at 82 Great memories of the 70s and 80s. ..Rest in peace

rangerlou


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:43 pm EST

E - Indeed, the lack of character, confidence, leadership and coaching were all part of the Rangers demise..But let's not kid ourselves that the lack of talent, size and a little nastiness is also not a problem...and that GORDO presided over a complete roster clusterfudge

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:39 pm EST

NEWFIE - Please tell Kitchen1 about me wearing my Ranger's rose colored glasses! But, seriously, I was probably Hayes' most vocal critic on here for the longest time--and he deserved it. I just thought I saw a matured and totally different player the second half of 2017-18..No longer was Hayes looping, curling,slowing down the play, holding on to the puck too long and instead was playing a more straight forward game, if not overly physical...It took alot for me to tip my hat to him...I hope ZBAD, the Invisible Russian Brothers, the Mini-Me defense and others can do the same!!!

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:13 pm EST

HOSPO: it’s about character. LV has it. As a team they have a swagger. The New York Rangers just didn’t have it anymore. The team that went to the SCF had swagger. No panic. All pulling the right way. Somewhere over the next theee years it went away. The next thing is to build a leadership group that brings that together. And I get that at the end of the day Lundqvist is the voice in that room. But you had Boyle, Marty St. Louis, to the leadership that got jettisoned lately. Next season they need to have more character. And that’s something that AV clearly wasn’t going to bring. He’s far better suited to taking over a contender where the players just need to take the next step. Now? It’s about teaching and making hockey players again. Turn guys with talent into players with a granite skin.

E


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:08 pm EST

Great. Now R47 killed Walt.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 2:06 pm EST

Hospo/ Ranger47.......sorry boys, I'm just not buying what you are selling on Mr.Hayes.......not seeing the same things that you are seeing through those "rose colored glasses" you are wearing during the games.I'm not saying you are wrong and that I am right......I just don't agree at all on this guy. Being the so-called best c-man on this team is not something to be up beat about.That is what the re-build is all about. He is a third string C at best. But as I'm tired of repeating......too soft,too slow,lazy and just no good on draws.JMHO

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Apr 18 2018 1:37 pm EST

Hospo: I agree. He did a good job when matched up against other top lines and has the potential to be a Walter Tkaczuk-like 3C for many years to come (even after the rebuild). I also agree that Z is the bigger concern; we will need to see how he responds this next year when hopefully he can remain healthy.

Ranger47


Wed Apr 18 2018 1:36 pm EST

It's a SuperFan thing Hospo. Nobody's supposed to get paid. Everything leads to cap hell or some such b.s. see that Vic, I'm working on the pithyness lol

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 1:19 pm EST

Ranger47/VIC - I know it's faint praise, but HAYES is the best center on the team right now..Has his warts, but has turned into a good two player that, although not nearly as physical as we would want given his size, does go to the net and crease and plays the man....I think you have to extend him..hopefully at a reasonable contract that could be tradeable...Even more important is to get a vet center/mentor in here (or on the coaching staff) that can mentor the guy (and the other youngsters) and get the most out of them/him......The Rangers have got to learn to be like the Golden Knights, give every ounce, every night...So many Rangers fall far short ...Speaking of that...The guy to get out of NY is ZBAD, the one-trick PP pony who, given his size (god does he play small) and speed, is a bigger waste physically than Hayes, and is horrenodus defensively--or, rather, chooses to be..Unfortuantely, I dont think other teams will be bamboozled by his number and know what a liability he is as a #1 or even #2 center....Oh well, as with Hayes to a lesser extent, maybe a new coach and/or a vet ass kicker can help get more out of the guy on a consistent basis..

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 1:09 pm EST

the ONE and only reason that can exist for keeping Hayes is to use him as an asset down the road ( a short road). He is lazy, slow , soft and can't win an important draw to save his life. Other than that ...............LOL.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Apr 18 2018 1:03 pm EST

I think you've GOT TO SIGN Hayes to an extension soon unless his contract demands become completely unreasonable. You'll need him in the short-term and he can probably be easily traded if you ever need to make space for LA or Cheetos. In fact, it also gives you the future option of trading Z, if Hayes really turns it on and you need to make room for a young center or superstar vet UFA. If you find out that you can't sign him you need to move him by July 1st and sign some UFA vet as a stopgap measure. JMHO.

Ranger47


Wed Apr 18 2018 12:50 pm EST

Don't know if anyone saw this yet but it is a long and interesting article on HAYES that presents the cases for keeping him and for trading him.........Rangers Have An Important Decision To Make On Kevin Hayes (https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/4/18/17242948/nhl-new-york-rangers-are-in-precarious-position-with-kevin-hayes-mika-zibanejad)

Vic


Wed Apr 18 2018 12:06 pm EST

GG - Yeah, we were talking about Bruno a little a few weeks ago! Never forget watching him and the WWF (hey, are Ivan Koloff, Bobo Brazil and Chief Jay Strongbow still alive??) every Saturday night before watching the Ranger games on Saturday nights

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 11:38 am EST

Think that's the 2nd or 3rd time someone got brought up here & was dead within like a week. How's RangerDude? Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 11:05 am EST

RIP Bruno Sammartino.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:50 am EST

Ola........I'd take him over Hayes and Zinbad combined......in a heart beat.And that's a fact. He is exactly the type of player we need and let him go .

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:19 am EST

Ola: How does a 'just not good at all' guy score 42 goals? That makes every Ranger forward pure crap!!! ;^)

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 10:16 am EST

Every now and then the topic of Eric Staal comes up. Oohh why couldn't we do more with him? Why didn't we keep him? But like watch Minny in the POs. Eric Staal is a burden for his team, way to slow to skate against better teams when the games look like they do during the POs. Sure he is clutch, but I don't think he cut it at center at the highest level. Last year he was 0+1 in 5 games in the POs and this year he has better numbers with 1+1 in 4 games. But he is just not good at all.

Ola


Wed Apr 18 2018 9:27 am EST

RF4L - I find the way the Jets (and the Kings and the Preds) play far from thug like..I LOVE the way the Jets play...yeah, every now and then a guy like Morrisey goes over the top (and should be suspended)..but i'd take both over the shit the Rangers present every second of every day..That said, impressed with the Golden Knights and the poise, discipline and speed they showed..and did not back down physically at all...WHat a great job by GALLANT

Hospo


Wed Apr 18 2018 8:02 am EST

Drew Doughty has a big fat mouth that he should learn to keep closed more often. Look at this quote from him after the Showers beat the Kings in late December - he praised the Showers for their style of play and then said: “There’s no way they’re going to be a better team than us by the end of the season.” LOLOLOLOL. Glad to see the thugs that are the Kings ousted early. Too bad the Wild aren't good enough to bounce the equally thug-like Winnipeg Jets.

rF4l


Wed Apr 18 2018 3:57 am EST

Viva Las Vegas!

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:47 pm EST

PARISE http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/04/17/just-as-things-were-looking-up-for-wild-they-lose-parise/

schneidw


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:47 pm EST

STAAL- not as NASTY.. but this is an UGLY cross check to PARISE that resulted in a broken sternum and probably out for the year... I like aggressive hockey but a 2 handed cross check is cheapshot

schneidw


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:39 pm EST

So 2 refs on the ice and they miss this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i1P4p5dcw8 Ridiculous.

rF4l


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:56 pm EST

Gggg two things happen with old age one is loss of memory the other Hanky doesn’t remember.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 6:42 pm EST

Ha! If he won you'd hear,'Hank couldn't be here, hes nursing a knee injury he forgot to tell anyone about.'

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 17 2018 6:28 pm EST

Conversation Andrew Gross Andrew Gross @AGrossNewsday #NHL announces Pekka Rinne (Preds), Andrei Vasilevskiy (Lightning) and Connor Hellebuyck (Jets) as Vezina finalists..... and for gggg Henrik Lundqvist !

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 5:53 pm EST

'What John Amirante meant to me' By Adam Graves.... https://nypost.com/2018/04/17/rangers-legend-pays-tribute-what-john-amirante-meant-to-me/

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:35 pm EST

RHET - Thanks..now that was a Paris Sandwich! Like the CHARIOT guy on Winnipeg..

Hospo


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:32 pm EST

RF4L - That would make sense..Rumors that Daryl Sutter might be the next Flame coach...so some Wallbangers might be able to breathe easier...As for Parise, go ahead, you can mention Jessiman...:)

Hospo


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:31 pm EST

Hospo... It was the old Melachi Crunch that took out Parise... https://twitter.com/mremis/status/986339992724271104 ...Also... Sean Couturier had an ugly collision in practice today and limped off the ice. The collision happened purely because two of the Assistant Coaches were running different drills in the same zone. Radko Gudas was skating backwards and ran into him.... https://twitter.com/JamieApody/status/986318648313774081

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:27 pm EST

mf: LOL...it'll be something different but likely just as unique!

rF4l


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:26 pm EST

RF: selling Latex again? :-)

mf


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:23 pm EST

Hospo: I wonder how much Brian Burke was involved. To the point that it was his decision I'll bet.

rF4l


Tue Apr 17 2018 4:22 pm EST

Parise isn't a big guy but plays a big game and has paid the price for that in recent years. The last time he played a full (or nearly full) season was in 2011/12 (mind you, he did play all 48 games in the last lockout year). 42 games this year and 69 the season before that. He'll be 34 this summer; suspect it'll only get worse. And he's signed (along with Suter) for another EIGHT years!!! Watch for him to get a mysterious Hossa disease in a couple of years....

rF4l


Tue Apr 17 2018 3:11 pm EST

Under the heading of WOW..FLAMES fire their entire coaching staff..and Zach Parise with a fractured sternum--yikes--who the hell on Winnipeg hit him??? Back to The Flames, guess it's not surprising, I know I was expecting alot more out of that team this year...

Hospo


Tue Apr 17 2018 2:30 pm EST

Anthem singers are so part of an arena experience. I always found the guy in Boston a riot. He gets all fired up and points to all corners of the arena. And of course San Jose when they play on a Thursday night they use a video of Metallica who’ve periodically done it on guitars and is awesome probably is the best in the league.

E


Tue Apr 17 2018 2:25 pm EST

Amirante was part of the MSG experience most of my life. Even when I was a young kid, drowning him out was just what you did. Like the Chief (which in retrospect was total disrespect to actual natives) who I have an actual picture with. The old Garden was such an experience. I don’t remember when Amirante started but his run was long. It was sad when his voice started to go. Maybe they’ll do like they do in Philly and pull up their old singer to join as a duet with I believe is her daughter.

E


Tue Apr 17 2018 1:51 pm EST

Rest In Peace JOHN AMIRANTE. You may have lost your fastball years ago but you were always a true blue part of the Rangers to me.

Vic


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:44 pm EST

Pretty good week; AV out, Kovalchuk & a few good kids in. Keep it up.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:40 pm EST

“It was never personal with A.V. and me. I never took it that way,” Miller said. “He taught me how to get through all the crap and become a player in this league. I have nothing bad to say about the Rangers or anyone there. “It’s really unfortunate how it ended. There’s no one to blame and it was no one’s fault, but it was sad to see and be a part of. We weren’t playing well, then we were told by management that no one was safe, and it became a very negative environment. It was ugly at the end for a team that had been as good as we’d been. It was tough for all of us to take. “It was sad. No one wanted it to end that way.”

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:39 pm EST

“I don’t think it’s a secret that A.V. and I were not a great fit,” said Miller, who could never completely escape the doghouse despite the package of size, speed and physicality he embodies. “I’d say there are better fits for both of us.”..........https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/the-rangers-other-trade-chip-found-hockey-heaven/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:33 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman had mentioned that the Rangers were one of six teams who sent scouts to Sweden to look at several undrafted players. Those players were: defenseman Lawrence Pilut (age 22) and Joel Persson (23); winger Michael Lindqvist (23) and centre Par Lindholm (26). Lawrence Pilut (D) was named an alternate captain by HV71 (a Swedish Hockey team in the SHL) at the beginning of this season, and has lived up to the expectations that comes in a leadership role. Through 38 games played this season, Pilut has 7 goals and 22 assists, for a total of 29 points. Pilut’s father Larry was born in Detroit and played hockey in the NCAA. Out of all the players that the Rangers are looking at, I feel as if Pilut is most likely to sign with the Rangers. Pilut played on HV71 with Lias Andersson, and Pilut has a dual-citizenship as he is both Swedish, and American. Joel Persson (D) has also had a stellar season so far in the SHL. Playing for Växjö Lakers HC of the SHL, he has put up 26 points in 37 games. Persson thrived in the CHL tournament, registering 11 points in 12 games. Michael Lindqvist (RW) has put up impressive numbers with AIK of the SHL so far this season, and in his second stint in the SHL, has put up 20 goals and 14 assists, for 34 points in 32 games. Par Lindholm (C) is probably the most NHL ready player out of this group at 26 years old. Lindholm has played for Skellefteå AIK for all of his SHL career, and has been an alternate captain for the last three seasons with AIK. This season, 16 goals, and 26 assists totaling for 42 points in 38 games this season.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:26 pm EST

That's one of the kids, Ola. Reminds of Fast a bit. But it's the other kid D I'm real excited about, the one looks like Gilmour but some real offensive flair.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:22 pm EST

Michael Lindqvist .... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=37048

mf


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:19 pm EST

Have no problems with the signing, it's a no lose, but just another mini me (5'10 175)...

Hospo


Tue Apr 17 2018 12:05 pm EST

Report: Rangers Closing In On Deal With SHL Free Agent Michael Lindqvist.... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/4/17/17247750/report-rangers-closing-in-on-deal-with-shl-free-agent-michael-lindqvist

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 17 2018 11:33 am EST

The first game after sept11 John Amirante starts singing ‘god bless America’ and starts to (for the first and only time in his life probably) get choked up and his voice cracks and fades for a split second and the whole Garden picks him up and bellows it out!!! I wanted to show my some that just the other day but couldn’t find it on line. He will always be a legend and an icon of the garden for me!

_Arc


Tue Apr 17 2018 10:42 am EST

yesterday's Hockey Snooze: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/kovalchuk-officially-eligible-to-become-an-nhl-free-agent-so-where-will-he-land

mf


Tue Apr 17 2018 10:27 am EST

John Amirante Stanley Cup Finals Game 7 National Anthem .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6CxXetiW7A

mf


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:27 am EST

RIP John Amirante.

PJ


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:24 am EST

That's nice to hear Drew. Even though a lot of those late 70s teams didn't fare well I have fond memories. It felt like we were building toward something and by 79 we were good. Aside to the Beck deal, and I don't remember where I got it from but supposedly Beck, knowing he had to get the heck out of Colorado, asked for a massive raise after his rookie season on a deal he had just signed. Players didn't do things like that back then. Think Bossy won rookie of the year & he was runner up. But that forced the deal. And if Im not mistaken his first game Beck qent end to end & scored & crashed the net doing it, and I really thought we'd acquired the Incredible Hulk

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:18 am EST

That Game 7 SCF in 1994.....when Amirante started the National Anthem.....it was almost like 18,200 people just let out every ounce of frustration, pain and suffering......so much to the point where you could almost feel the entire Garden moving like a clothes dryer under your feet....He will be missed for sure.

tradestar28


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:06 am EST

Saddened to hear about John Amirante. I am happy that the Garden did not whack him completely and that he still got to sing at some games this season. He was a part of the cup runs and of 1994 for sure.

Bob


Tue Apr 17 2018 9:04 am EST

how ironic and fitting...the nyr good luck charm....If you are 78 years old or younger, then what happened exactly a quarter of a century ago on this date of April 17 is truly a once-in-a-lifetime occurrence.

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:52 am EST

SCF GAME 7

NYStranger


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:51 am EST

Love the memory of the SC games 7 where the crowd was so loud you could not hear Amirante or the organ during the National Anthem! And when you could hear short segments through the crowd the two were completely out of time. Nobody could tell or cared! So fun.

NYStranger


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:48 am EST

RIP John Amirante

NYStranger


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:40 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 13m13 minutes ago It is with great sadness our Rangers family shares the loss of legendary anthem singer John Amirante, who passed away this morning at 83. Our thoughts are with his wife Ann, his children and the entire Amirante family.

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:27 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NYR Stats & Info ‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 20h20 hours ago Days/Games in which #NYR players/prospects will face each other in the Carlson (Czech) Hockey Games: 1. Apr. 19 (SWE-RUS; Andersson, Buchnevich, Shesterkin) 2. Apr. 21 (SWE-CZE; Andersson and Chytil) 3. Apr. 22 (CZE-RUS; Chytil, Buchnevich, Shesterkin).

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 8:26 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello Remember the 2006 draft when interim BOS GM Jeff Gorton drafted Brad Marchand, Phil Kessel & Milan Lucic, and traded Andrew Raycroft for Tuukka Rask, then followed up by signing FA Zdeno Chara (and Marc Savard)?

stevielegs


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:56 am EST

DREW - that is a great story, what a class act Pat Hickey is to go out of his way to speak to a loyal fan. Cool stuff!

RFCAdmin


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:31 am EST

Memory lane and I concur wholeheartedly with Smith - no regrets: https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/behind-the-coaching-hire-that-took-the-rangers-back-to-glory/

rF4l


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:29 am EST

revuilt - > "rebuilt"

DREW


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:29 am EST

I couldn't let a Pat Hickey reference go by without acknowledging it. Thank you GG for the memory. He was my favorite player growing up and he had 2 stints with the Rangers. (He wore #24 his second time around)....(I'll try to make this quick) for my 40th birthday several years ago now, my older brother actually got in touch with him and he signed a few items including a revuilt Ferguson version of the Rangers jersey (with the crest). I e-mailed him to thank him and he actually asked that I call him. We spoke for a half hour. He told me some funny stories. He actually shared a quick story about when Ulf Nillson and Anders Hedberg came over and Espo was concerned how they'd fit. Hickey said "I'll play with those guys". Anyway, as a kid, I never understood the magnitude of the Barry Beck trade but in retrospect I get it. But I will always refer to it as the Pat Hickey trade.

DREW


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:24 am EST

DecafLegs: no Nash for me on the next NYR roster.. Teach the kids "perimeter prance?" Sorry, he comes here he'll revert to the AV whistle to whistle show.. he can't get away with that on another team.. besides, he may hang up the skates.. we'll see

mf


Tue Apr 17 2018 7:09 am EST

Irving moofman jack you are older than both of them . the same will eventually happen to crybaby, malkinstein, and ovioneyouknowme....et al....it was not fun watching Marty st Louis , mess, etc ... at least dick rash changed to a 2 way 200 foot hockey player ....many cannot or will not ....the problem becomes the cap hit ....Nash will get signed next season, if he's crazy and brave enough to keep putting his head in danger....at the right price he would be great for the nyr 4th line and pk ....and good for the kids to learn how to be a pro in the nhl.....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:28 pm EST

schneidw: not that far behind Rick Nash, and Nash is 2 years younger

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:57 pm EST

In other words, Freidman has no idea and is purely musing, which is fine. Gorton keeps his cards close to his chest. That's fine, too.

rF4l


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:57 pm EST

Jason Spezza OUCH!!!!! He posted just 26 points (8-18-26) in 78 games; his 0.33 points per game average was by far the lowest of his career. Salary of $7.5M/yr.

schneidw


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:50 pm EST

RHET: To my greater point. I don’t care who coaches the New York Rangers or where they came from as long as they can grow a team, create a culture and get this team pulling in the same direction towards competitive hockey within 2-seasons. A tall order for any coach but totally doable with the right skill set.

E


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:47 pm EST

Just say no to Bill Peters. The way he coaches the Canes would make AV look like Carlyle. Tod McLellan is a good coach in a sucky situation.

E


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:40 pm EST

Don’t know who I want for a coach but I do know what I don’t want. No Stevens, no Granato. Call Ted Sator I am sure he is willing.

Jake0104


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:33 pm EST

Agreed Larmer was an exceptionally smart hockey player who knew what he could and could not do, and maximized his value. Underrated but an A player.

Jake0104


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:59 pm EST

This is deal. Colorado Rockies acquired ?Lucien DeBlois Pat Hickey Mike McEwen Dean Turner future considerations (Bob Crawford)  November 2, 1979. New York Rangers acquired Barry Beck. But the other deal I thought of was years later but we may need this in a few years. And this was one of Neil Smith's best. What's interesting is it was a very successful deal of a good young player for a vet, but what a vet, one of my favs. Date New York Rangers acquire James Patrick Darren Turcotte November 2, 1993 Nick Kypreos Steve Larmer Barry Richter 1994 6th round pick (#135-Yuri Litvinov) There were other pieces but Larmer was the big prize and just a fantastic player all around. So maybe we do something like that when we're close. But a friend made this comparison and it's real good I think. I doubt Andersson scores 40 even once let alone 5 times, but we got the older Larmer, who was still good for 20. And thats who LA reminds me of a fair amount. Just musing. We'll see.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:40 pm EST

Somebody mentioned Freddy the Fog the other day, and Id said something about Beck previously. Didn't realize Nov. 79, Shero was also GM and made the real. Some of those guys we dealt (DeBlois, Pat Hickey who was a pretty good player, a lot like Hagelin) remind me of the Spoonets & Namestikovs we have now.Tweeners. anyway that was a massive deal for a big-time Dman and we went to the finals that year. Just saw Rangers D dead last in 5-5 goals with 11. And there's a guy coming off surgery and an AWFUL year for a shit Ottawa team that scored 62 pts. He only had I think 9 goals but he's had 16 or more 5 times, 20+ twice. We already got Kovalchuk half in the bag. Get Karlsson, draft, sign a bunch of young UFAs, we'll vie for a playoff spot next year, goaltending permitting.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:19 pm EST

Per SNY.... On the NHL Network on Monday, Elliotte Friedman said that it's likely teams will start lining up interviews with head coaching candidates.... On the Rangers, Friedman said that he has heard mixed things about which direction the Rangers will go in with their next head coach.... He noted that some think they will go with a coach that has experience with young players like a Jim Montgomery of University of Denver or David Quinn of Boston University.... Friedman noted that there are some connections the Rangers have to Quinn, with Chris Drury and Kevin Shattenkirk being BU alums.... He noted that others think the Rangers will go with a more experienced coaching candidate, depending on who is available and added that Bill Peters could opt out of his contract with Carolina, Barry Trotz could lose his job with Washington and there is still no definite word on whether Edmonton will keep Todd McLellan.... Last week, Friedman wrote that a lot of names were being thrown around regarding the Rangers, including Montgomery, former Ranger Tony Granato of the University of Wisconsin, Sheldon Keefe of the AHL Toronto Marlies and maybe AHL Manitoba's Pascal Vincent, who was just named AHL coach of the year. (Sportsnet)

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 16 2018 7:58 pm EST

The Rangers’ other trade chip found hockey heaven ... https://nypost.com/2018/04/16/the-rangers-other-trade-chip-found-hockey-heaven/

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 7:44 pm EST

Pig Fuckers down 1-0 To Rangers South

rangerlou


Mon Apr 16 2018 7:26 pm EST

Pierre is such a chucklehead. ‘That goal started 200 feet away!’ Um, no. Andersen allowed a terrible no-angle crap goal.

Nick


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:46 pm EST

E...All I care about is how good of a coach a guy is, not what his resume was as a player. I might hire Stevens as an assistant coach, but not much more than that. I'm not all too impressed with his NHL coaching resume. He resigned from the Wild last season because he allegedly didn't want to be away from his family so often. After two seasons as a NJ Devil assistant coach he reportedly resigned because he didn't feel that he was being listened to enough within the coaching hierarchy. That doesn't give me enough faith in the longevity of a Scott Stevens. Would he commit to us long term or quit after a few years? I'd rather take a chance on a less proven AHL coach who's paid his dues.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:44 pm EST

Breathing news from TSN. Veenyo is the new coach of The Vancouver Mighty Mights Division (D) House League

rangerlou


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:31 pm EST

Toronto/Boston game is a the game to watch. They are banging the SHIT out of themselves

rangerlou


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:28 pm EST

I highly doubt Scott Stevens would even interview for the job. He’s a Debbie....

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:15 pm EST

HOSPO: one difference. Messier thinks he can coach the NYR just because he is Messier. And I guess that gives him some universal power to do anything. He's an expert pool player without ever picking up a cue. The reality is, he hasn't done it. At least, Stevens has a resume to put on the desk. And so, honestly, my greater point is I just want to win. If it means a fresh face then okay. If we are gonna see an AHL superstar who guided a great TO team then okay. Who knows. I do know That this is a post lockout NYR team. After the empty professor they brought in Tortorella. And I always busted balls about his Tortorella tortoise style of play he also developed young players and made the Black and Blueshirts a formidable and hard nosed hockey club that was taught what it took to win games. Not suggesting they need another dictator like Torts was. But they need a teacher who not only brings the white board and film room. And that guy also need to take guys like Cheeto and turn them into winning hockey players. Otherwise, you can build up a team like Tampa had several seasons ago. Lots of sizzle standing around all too often. I remember they blew their way thru everyone one season and bumped into Boston who proceeded to ring their necks. And afterwards that team had good talent that went nowhere fast. Can't have a NYR team that follows that track.

E


Mon Apr 16 2018 5:26 pm EST

GG: Zadina vs Svechnikov? Being the greedy pig that I am, I want Svechnikov over Zadina, Bouchard over Boqvist, & Tkachuk..... Yup, I want all 3: Svechnikov, Bouchard, & Tkachuk in that order... I read that Noah Dobson's stock rose substantially this past season, I'm interested in the 3 I mentioned..... enjoy the recording... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIgUMSRoOjM

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 5:17 pm EST

Rangers South vs NJ Pig Fuckers Go JT MILLER & Co.

rangerlou


Mon Apr 16 2018 5:02 pm EST

Seems that I may have been mistaken Nylander torn his rotator in Wash then broke his neck while on a conditioning assignment after a disappointing next season. Either way was criticized for not living up to his contract down there. Could have been us! Could have sworn he had a knee problem for most of his last season in NY.

NYStranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 4:53 pm EST

E - A very rational approach but, you know what, SCREW STEVENS!! Actually, I loved Stevens as a player..boy, did I wish we had one!..And you listen to him on the NHL Network and the guy knows what the hell he;s talking about and get's the game...And, you are right is the type to command respect withou anger/yelling..ANd, best of all, still sees the value in hurting somebody and intimidation...My type of coach......BUTTTTTT...I jsut don't think you go there as an organization...It just doesnt feel right as HEAD coach of the New York Rangers .Now, isnt MESSIER the same type of player?.individual?..yeah, he's not a talking head on TV, but the guy knows how to win and knows his stufff and bleeds a little Ranger Blue....Not my choice either, but I'd take him over Stevens...OK, I just wanted to get people pissed off with Mess...:)

Hospo


Mon Apr 16 2018 4:51 pm EST

While trying to find a reference to Nylanders knee injury in Washington I found out he broke his freeking neck while in the AHL which ended his career! Sheesh didn't realize that. Also found this tliitle gem in the Post from 3/3/07 “In the aftermath of Colton Orr’s knockout of Todd Fedoruk 21 seconds into Wednesday’s 5-0 victory over the Flyers, Tom Renney said Orr’s presence “allows teammates to play fearlessly to their ability without being compromised.” Fedoruk was released from St. Vincent’s Hospital at noon yesterday after spending a night under observation.” ..ahh the good ol days!

NYStranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 3:55 pm EST

nys we will get fooled again...wonder if the genius knew about kneelander's knee . I don't remember that. he used to fly with the nyr. ...when the gomez drury collusion deals were made, most thought sather pulled a rabbit out of his hat....more like a burnt cigar out of his ass in literal hindsight....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 3:02 pm EST

Just to clarify, stevie. Didn't like the Gomez deal but really thought Drury was going to work out better.

NYStranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 2:55 pm EST

DraftHeads, final rankings. Saw bits n pieces of the top guys. The one I definitely didn't like was Zadina but only caught small sampling. are: The NHL has released their final rankings for the 2018 draft for North American and International skaters. Rasmus Dahlin is ranked 1st on the International list and Andrei Svechnikov is ranked 1st on the North American list. On the International list, Dahlin is followed by Adam Boqvist (D - Sweden), Vitali Kravtsov (RW - Russia), Martin Kaut ( RW - Czech), Adam Ginning (D - Sweden). From the NHL release, Director of NHL Central Scouting Dan Marr said, "Dahlin is the real deal and the clear-cut No. 1, pro-ready prospect for the 2018 NHL Draft. He has the skating, skills and elite hockey sense that can dictate the style of play and pace of a game with or without the puck. The icing on the cake with Dahlin is that he's an ultra-competitive player and a high-character person who leads by example." On the North American list, RW Svechkikov (Barrie - OHL) is followed by LW Brady Tkachuk (BU), RW Filip Zadina (Halifax - QMJHL), D Evan Bouchard (London - OHL) and D Noah Dobson. Marr said that Svechnikov "has a consistent and competitive power game that gets the puck through checks and to the net with speed and skill," said Marr. "As a first-year player, he quickly established himself in the OHL as an offensive impact player capable of influencing the game every time he's on the ice." The Rangers have the 9th best odds to get the first overall pick at 6% and around a 19% chance of landing in the top-three. In January, Bob McKenzie had the top-five prospects listed as Dahlin, Svechnikov, Zadina, Tkachuk and Bosqvist. (TSN) Craig Button's list of tops prospects, in March, had Dahlin, Tkachuk, Svechnikov, Zadina and Bouchard in the top-five.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 2:19 pm EST

Newfie: Stevens and Trottier are comparable to NYR fans in the sense that both come from and have been from local rivals who are despised for the impacts they made against the NYR. As a coach in terms of capability if memory serves me right Trottier was on the staff for the Av’s back when they were going at it with Detroit back in the day. He was a disaster as a head coach. He lacked the respect of the players. I remember a few of them Lindros? were in virtually open revolt against him. He sucked. By contrast, I KNOW this about Stevens. He is a leader of men. He walks in the room and people get quiet. Lots of presence around him. What does that translate into coaching? His small sample career was very positive. Does that mean he is ready for the next level if he wanted it? I can’t answer that with any certainty. But from my stupid and ignorant perspective if you are looking at fresh faces like Keefe who have been the hot, new, and sexy thang with zero NHL experience? Just as much as he could be a great new thing, he could fizzle like Dallas Eakins (who i still think is going to be a good coach.) I have the suspicion that Stevens is not going to fizzle. I think like a captain and a winner Stevens will be a good coach. I’d have no trepidation in hiring him. Because it’s hockey, and as I’ve occasionally mused, they’re all a good ole’ boys club ultimately. And like the GM’s are mostly buddies, a lot of the coaches are the same. Sure, they get heated during games but that’s just competitive juices going. Most of them have no issue sharing a beer at the end of the day, so why should I care if Stevens wanted the New York Rangers job? Scott Stevens the hockey player who battered New York Rangers players in the early 2000’s is not Scott Stevens the professional coach. The trepidation comes from fans who have more vitriolic memories then the players ever do.

E


Mon Apr 16 2018 2:15 pm EST

Just musing here but would Stevens be better suited as one of the new head coach's assistants? Of course, ultimately that should be up to the head coach and equally obviously, both men would have to be on the same page in terms of how they want the team to play and what Stevens' role would be.

rF4l


Mon Apr 16 2018 2:08 pm EST

E: Excellent post earlier and I agree. As for STEVENS....sure, interview him. But my concern would be coaching experience. The guy was a great, hard nosed player and a tremendous leader. How does that translate to coaching for him? He could do well....or he could be a disaster. I'd like someone more established behind the bench, who has a coaching philosophy that fits with today's players and today's NHL. A guy who believes in speed, quickness and talent...but also believes in physical play and being a team that is hard to play against.

Vic


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:54 pm EST

Stevie that is a bit of revisionist history. In reality Nylander had a wonky knee for at least his last year in NY, was looking for a big raise and ask any Caps fan on how that big UFA signing went for them. He lasted, what 2 years out of the 5 year deal?

NYStranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:47 pm EST

rangerlou........having Stevens is akin to having Potvin.....probably won't go over large with the fans,I bet.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:44 pm EST

Ranger47..........actually ,a college coach these days is not as bad as before. The NHL is getting younger and younger......not as many over paid , know-it-all vets. Still his assts are gonna need some NHL experience.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:23 pm EST

RLou detested Stevens but absolutely, interview. I wouldn't guess they go so D heavy with a head coach, but you never know. That's also almost an advertorial in the NYP on Quinn, and I do think they want a fresh face. On Grabner I think we also get a little influx of Euro ufas that can be depth guys. Maybe they need Hartford time but after Xmas if ready it frees you to get something for Grabner again.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:21 pm EST

rangerlou: He might be a reasonable choice, but like when we hired Trottier I, for one, never want to see someone I viewed as an enemy be my coach. Hell, I didn't evenlike the choice of Shero way back when.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:15 pm EST

The beauty of bringing Grabner back, it solidifies what might be a shaky lineup for a while, then, from a beancounting perspective, you can deal's again lol. Stevie, never said Hank wasn't the man then. He was Joe Namath. Then.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:09 pm EST

So what does everyone think about Scott Stevens name being rattled throughout Rangerland for our next oach.Good idea or a disaster ???

rangerlou


Mon Apr 16 2018 1:02 pm EST

nys i would have rather seen the genius resign jagr, nylander, straka et al over gomez and drury..... ..... I liked the czechmates back then....that line could put up points...that team was picked for last and made the playoffs....thanks partially to hanky gggg....1 second button....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:57 pm EST

so if they paid hanky 4 mil per for 2x the length , would that be a bargain ? he's probably going to the hof, and the nyr will probably raise his jersey, and give him a job when he decides to stop playing.....poor gggg .....lol..... hanky for life .....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:53 pm EST

Hynes doesn’t play possession hockey. He wants to counter punch and clog the lanes. He doesn’t play to win so what are you going to do with Grabner? Okay Grabs, we want you to go full blast past the half boards, dump the puck in and go to the bench? It’s a terrible fit. Grabner works well on the New York Rangers because for all his faults, AV wanted to play a possession game (at least on offense) and so when you get the puck go.... and that’s where Grabner thrives. He may never fully get the hands that his legs give him the opportunities with but you can’t play a brand of circle the wagons and wonder why a guy like Grabner isn’t better. That trade was always a head scratcher to me. Zacha couldn’t win a draw so he couldn’t play left wing. Hall was in the top spot. So bump him down and leave him with the likes Boyle and Stafford? That just makes no sense. I think they saw a guy who would create space for Zacha or Zajac and it just doesn’t work. In my eyes there are deadline deals that make sense. Trade someone like Nash. He can play with anyone. In any role. Your team is better for having him there. Grabner is a specific purpose player. A specialist. And when you aren’t set up in your system or filling a specific need? Then why bother? This is why I’m not a guy who believes big time in deadline deals. For as many as you see that can be the final piece on a run. See Brassard there is a Shattenkirk who was supposed to give the Caps 40-assists the moment he arrived or an Eric Staal who is supposed to give you a massive boost from playing left wing on a third line. Personally, I want Grabner back. He brings a different dynamic. He changes your PK complexion and his constant threat of using his speed drops a right defenseman out of from inside your blue line because he is so adept at picking off a cross ice pass and his first step is so good. The NJD are showing us right now how if you play to lose against a high powered team you have no chance. The NJD look like a camel caravan encircled by the Gazi 20 horses deep.

E


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:42 pm EST

HA! MF it takes about 2 seconds to get you to breathe fire lol. I'm a registered independent thank you & yes, other Wall. Good read on Grabs. He was in a nice groove here, I wouldn't say country club, he played hard. NJ ain't got no groove. That is a new way of saying don't expect a contract offer, Xing your big deadline acquisition in playoffs.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:37 pm EST

Back to Hockey: "IF" the NYR's do land IK that would theoretically create the 3rd line slot for a guy like GRABNER behinf IK and then Kreider....

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:29 pm EST

GG: that's off topic Wall material, you're a typical Lefty who will compromise principals, morals, and integrity for your party... Grow up!

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:27 pm EST

regarding LUNDQVIST: This man is HOF bound and contract aside, it's hard to fathom the contempt for the guy considering the amount of time he's played for us... 2 more seasons should place him at #7 all-time in victories..... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/2585/stats ........ http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-wins-leaders.html

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:22 pm EST

Damn MF, pretty astute! On the flip side, you know theyre about to lock up all your friends lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:19 pm EST

I think that for Grabner to be most effective, we need a solid top six in front of him which commands defensive coverage..., This (IMO) enables Grabner on 3rd line duty to become lethal... 3rd line minutes and PK duty worked like a charm, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it.....

mf


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:01 pm EST

Is Grabner missing AV? COuld be...

rF4l


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:46 am EST

I'd take GRABNER back in a heartbeat. And hopefully he will realize the good fit and not have ridiculous demands.

Vic


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:43 am EST

Clearly Grabner misses the NYR country club.

Bob


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:38 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 12m12 minutes ago Grabner a scratch for Game 3 v TB. Johansson in. 1 reply 7 retweets 8 likes

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:37 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted #GoBolts ‏Verified account @TBLightning 40m40 minutes ago Per Coop, Callahan will not play tonight in Game 3. Girardi is a game-time decision. #TBLvsNJD

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:33 am EST

I like what I've read about some of the possible college coach candidates, but have a hard time seeing this franchise choosing that option. I think they'll choose someone like Sutter but possibly may opt for an up-and-coming NHL assistant coach instead. Should be interesting to see who we end up choosing....

Ranger47


Mon Apr 16 2018 11:24 am EST

Newfie: That makes sense, but on the other hand no young coach is going to want to have a "proven, experienced replacement" as an assistant. So, the assistant would probably have to be someone with NHL experience as an assistant but not a threat to the new coach.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 16 2018 9:23 am EST

Man, if we decide to hire a College Coach ,we better have some real good assts..........like Ruff and Stevens or someone with experience for sure.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:23 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/15/champion-ncaa-coach-could-be-outside-the-box-rangers-pick/

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:21 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/15/henrik-lundqvist-chooses-his-knees-health-over-country/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:20 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo Igor Shesterkin posted his second shutout in as many days and was named Russia's Player of the Game today as Russia defeated Norway in the Euro Hockey Challenge. #NYR 8:17 AM - 15 Apr 2018

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 8:14 am EST

FWIW, I'm on the no Barry Trotz bus, too!

rF4l


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:23 am EST

Marino analysis is spot on. Sutton is a tough one. IMHO, he was never a dominant pitcher. Had longevity which enabled him to get to 300. Odds are that we will NEVER see a pitcher win 300 again....200 will be a bit of a reach for most of today's elite pitchers. In the case of Sutton, I thought in his prime, Messersmith was better.....

kitchen1


Mon Apr 16 2018 6:11 am EST

Viva Las Vegas !

stevielegs


Mon Apr 16 2018 5:52 am EST

Kitchen yeah I figured that one wouldn't go over so well lol. I think he almost certainly will go in, but I'm a stickler with things like the HOF & retiring jerseys, post playing honors that don't mean much except to the individual. You named a bunch of guys, lots didn't have the best opportunities or it's the Don Sutton argument. Marino's plight isn't unlike Hanks. Best QB I've seen, they never got him D, which is one thing. But he barely ever had a RB either.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 16 2018 4:35 am EST

We had a great shot against LA but they were just bigger and stronger. We simply couldn't hold a lead in any of those games. Not to mention, we certainly lack TOP TIER talent. That started IMHO in the Sabre series when Drury, I think, tied Game 5 in 07 with 5 seconds left.......

kitchen1


Mon Apr 16 2018 4:30 am EST

GG.....For the most part, I agree with what you have to say nut the unrelenting criticism of Hank is a bit much. " And frankly if youre a giant postseason zero despite ample opportunity, I dont see why HOF gets mentioned anywhere near your name." According to that statement there would be many superstars not admitted to their respected HOF'S based on them never winning a championship. Dan Fouts, Dan Marino, Charles Barkley, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Eddie Giacomin, Marcel Dionne, Adam Oates, Rod Gilbert, Jean Ratelle.............

kitchen1


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:09 am EST

Damn, as soon as I mention the LA-Vegas games, the GK score 2 goals..what a well coached and hungry team..William Freaking Karlsson And James Real Deal Neal!!

Hospo


Mon Apr 16 2018 12:05 am EST

NY - The only short list Trotz should be on right now is the hit list in Washungton!.....Now, TORTS is another story!...You know, after the Caps get eliminated in the first round, maybe OVECHKIN will b avaialble to go with KOVULCHUK and the Invisible men BUCH and Namesntikov???.And damn, what a game between LA and VEGAS! No Russinas like BUCH and Namestnikov prancing around out west

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:38 pm EST

Barry Trotz better not be on Gorton's short list

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:12 pm EST

Caps lose in OT...Just don't have it in the playoffs....

PJ


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:35 pm EST

The part about Sather not building a great team around Hank when he was in his prime is one of the things the really irks me. I was calling for Sather to trade Jagr and and his Czech Posse in year two out of the lockout. I also remember taking a bit of flack for it here! LOL. Some support as well. I really felt it was unrealistic to think that the team as it was built around an aging Jagr was going to win a cup. I felt it was time to make a move to get a top center and build the team properly with a solid young core. Didn't happen. I just hope the same old sit doesn't happen again.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:26 pm EST

GG not going to agrue with your Hank assessment. His career has perhaps paralleled the early 70s guys who were part of great but not quite good enough teams.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:21 pm EST

Sal your never ending hatred of Hank is kinda sounding like he jilted you at the alter. lmao, !

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:16 pm EST

Mf- the first guy in that list Ryan Merkley is a real interesting guy. He was initially getting some love as a top10 pick but he’s been in a nosedive past couple of months. He’s got great offensive skills but his Defensive projections have taken quite a bit of lumps. Not too dissimilar to TonyD really (save for the off the ice stuff) although I think Merkley’s offensive side is much more polished. Having said that, if we don’t package those lower 1sts to move up I would certainly use a pick in that range on this kid. He’s a RHD!!! I’d also add Akil Thomas to that list

_Arc


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:15 pm EST

Really smart observations Stranger.

Limbo


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:06 pm EST

Whatever he's paid, it'd help having a goalie who wasn't so susceptible to being Justin Williams' bitch. He practically had a dog collar on Lundqvist that series. You add up his playoff FLOPS it can hardly be called money goaltending. And frankly if youre a giant postseason zero despite ample opportunity, I dont see why HOF gets mentioned anywhere near your name. That goes for anybody. Nobody ever lets me get this far, because Hanks cheerleaders get their panties in a twist, but I largely view Lundqvists career with sadness & a lot of regret and some pretty furious anger. His ego may crave it but it's been UNFAIR to burden him at this stage, he too had a million Torts miles on him. The GM early in his career fucked up repeatedly not getting a proper team around him in his prime, when this guy was as good a goalie as maybe anybody.... ever. You're just not going to see someone significantly better. So I may sound harsh at times but I think the whole Hank saga sucks. Just like after the Cup we totally wasted the primes if two all time greats in Leetch & Richter. Same thing, two different GMs responsible on the latter. But for people to think the ghost of Hank at 36+ can backstop a rebuild? C'mon. He should go back to Sweden and my guess is after this season, he does.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:51 pm EST

NYStranger...yep. Pushing 20 years of Nob for Life. Nice, eh?

rF4l


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:25 pm EST

Hank against the Kings is exactly why you shouldn't build a team around the goalie and make him the highest paid player on the team. He can't score that big goal when needed but sure a shite can get run over and give up a big goal with no interference call or give up a softie. Being interfered with and no call is obviously not his fault but just outlining why your goalie can't be your best and top paid player. You need top end talent to score the big goals to overcome that kind of bullshit. Gawd just thinking of all the failed PP opportunities and all the series that went to 6 or 7 games when the Rangers should of been able to put series away early. Maddening.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:22 pm EST

https://thehockeywriters.com/2018-nhl-entry-draft-undervalued-prospects/

mf


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:00 pm EST

Just wondering why so many thought Nash was going to score at some mythical pace because he had a couple of good years very early on? The guy never showed that next level or gear in big games. Stanley Cup POs and Olympic Games. He has always been that guy that you think may just break out 'soon' but never did or does. He has never shown the ability to take the team on his shoulders. The closest guys we had to that during this last run was MSL and Brad Richards who both had big moments for us but were just too far past their prime to win us the Cup as the main guys. Look what Richards was able to do in Chicago when he wasn't counted on to be the man.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:00 pm EST

Well thanks for clearing that up Arc. But I'm not concerned with winning big or small, that's your inference. I just want a right defenseman lol.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 7:55 pm EST

G^2- yes but there’s a huge difference in ‘winning’ $5 and winning $5 million. And moreover I have a huge issue with passing on winning $5 million for getting $5. Personally I couldn’t give a rats ass about winning $5! Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

_Arc


Sun Apr 15 2018 7:52 pm EST

To add to what is being talked about. About the Rangers alarming constant lack of real top end talent...look at the top 50 scoring leaders since the '04-'05 lockout and you will see very few Rangers. Very few. You will also see a corresponding large number of players on teams that win Cups on those top 50 list - most closer to top ten. This is a no shit Sherlock kind of thing, but just saying. The Rangers NEED top end talent if they want to really compeat for a Cup and not just hope to catch lightning in a bottle every 50 years or so.

NYStranger


Sun Apr 15 2018 6:59 pm EST

Agreed Nash scoring at anywhere close to what we were paying him to would have won the series also....

PJ


Sun Apr 15 2018 6:57 pm EST

Arc, I try to always be respectful (more than I can say for some), but... you seriously expect an answer to that? Bro that is riddled with bad guesswork. For the record, I'm a win ALWAYS type.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 6:25 pm EST

Somebody at the ‘hockeywriters’ mused that the going rate for Karlson would be Skjei, Butch, and the 8th pick!!!!! Chew on that for a moment; considering that I would easily consider trading Hajek, Howden, and #30 for a top10 pick, that would make the price for Karlson (by extension) McD, Skjei, and Butch! Methinks someone got fleeced. Btw, if you can jump 3 slots in round 1 (prob a #2 and a #3 pick) you can get a guy in Boqvist who easily projects to be same type of player as Karlson while taking up about $50 million less in cap space over the next 6 years or so (a cool $8 million less per year for the first few years) and to boot, he will be hitting his groove right at the time when the Rangers will actually be in line to compete with the upper echelon teams in 3 years or so (instead of being a declining Cap anchor at $10 million per year 31 yo). Tell me how any of this makes sense to you ‘win right g damned now’ guys???

_Arc


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:59 pm EST

You guys crack me up filleting Hanks save percentage vs The Kings in that series... breakdowns by Girardi (real inopportune turnover leading to a goal) and 2 times Staal got manhandled which lead to goals were the deciding factors in that series..... IIRC that is

mf


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:51 pm EST

I don’t agree that switching goalies would have changed the he outcome of thecup series. What would have is if Rick Nash played even half as well as he is capable. HOSPO- I was thinking similar thoughts about the western games, but I wonder if the fact that I don’t watch a lot of western games, coupled with watching a less than passionate Rangers team and adding a dash of hatred for pretty much every damn team in the East makes it more appealing? I’m not saying that’s what you or Bob are noticing, just what I thought of.

ColoradoMark


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:50 pm EST

That 1 extra goal prevented per 100 shots faced (or more accurately, SIX goals prevented out of 1000 shots) doesn't seem worth it to me.

LeoS


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:25 pm EST

Hank has done plenty for this team no doubt...However I agree we would have won the Cup if we switched goalies with the Kings in that final....

PJ


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:22 pm EST

Leo: Yes...

RDW


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:15 pm EST

RDW - just looked it up: .916 vs .922 save percentage....?

LeoS


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:13 pm EST

A rookie or a bad agent?

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 5:08 pm EST

RDW - what would you call it when your stats match a guy who is compensated at roughly 10% of your salary?

LeoS


Sun Apr 15 2018 4:47 pm EST

2 goals in 5 seconds by playpens

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 4:45 pm EST

If Leafs go down 0-3 tomorrow we'll have to start calling him Generational stud Lostin' Mathews ha...

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 4:40 pm EST

Leo: When did he get outplayed by Tokarski? They faced almost the exact amount of shots that series and Henrik had a considerably better save percentage

RDW


Sun Apr 15 2018 4:23 pm EST

If you're not maxing out the cap, I don't care what he gets paid, within reason that is... But when you're loaded for bear to go deep in a playoff run, yeah I mind

mf


Sun Apr 15 2018 4:11 pm EST

LeoS - I think RHET put it best on The King with something like "he gives up two bad goals, but played some brilliant hockey in between."..Not a bad goalie..and would probably be even better on a team going for the Cup with a defense that played that way..but, for the 2018-2020 Rangers, there really seems to be no need for a goalie like Lundqvist that eats up so much cap space for a team that doesnt have a chance to win the CUp when he is still viable...

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 3:50 pm EST

E - To me, the bigger Hank issue over the years - which has been mentioned here by others - is the relative amount of cap $$ we invested in him that can't therefore go towards acquiring top offensive/defensive talent, while he can at times be outplayed by the likes of future hall-of-famers like Dustin Tokarski.

LeoS


Sun Apr 15 2018 2:56 pm EST

RF4L - Yeah, it seems like you need that top player or two from a high draft pick...But...you don't just quit to lose and to maybe win again far down the road...When the time is right and you no longer have a shot at winning, which pro sports should be about,...that's the time to do it..like the Ranger seem to be now,...I don't begrudge the Rangers or Sather or even Gordon for trying to "WIN NOW"..They almost did..The idea was right, the execution/evaluation of the exact trades was what was wrong sometimes...I'm glad they tried every time...But now is the time to rebuild..and hopefully somehow get that player you talk about THIS OFF SEASON

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 2:02 pm EST

Nice!! Limbo smart again!

Limbo


Sun Apr 15 2018 1:42 pm EST

Limbo...yeah 20 years ago...pre cap and when teams could flex their financial muscle high picks weren't so key. Now they are. Look at all the cup winners since the cap came. Almost all have 2 to 3 top picks playing key roles.

RF4l


Sun Apr 15 2018 1:21 pm EST

Cups are won by lesser goalies then Lundqvist. Quick is an argument but Crawford, Rask, Fluery, Murray? I’d argue that Lundqvist is better then all of those guys. So, why did they win? Defense. Their defense is tight around their goalie. They box players out. They have a deeper commitment to shot suppression. And in many cases the stats confirm it. The truth is that you could’ve won a cup with the Prince or Raanta just as well as Lundqvist if the defense played championship hockey. And some of that lies at the feet of AV. The constant attempts to spring players. Well, ask Toronto how that’s going when they get stood up on the half boards and aren’t allowed to tick-tack-toe into the zone. Playoff hockey is ugly hockey. Dump and chase hockey. And not just on a line change. It’s get in, get the puck behind the net and grind for possession of the puck. That’s how winning is done. The NJD have been finding themselves down and forced to open up play and take chances to get back in it and it’s like the damn breaks. You must be able to get in your scheme concept, get a PP goal or two and cut the ice in half with the lead. The New York Rangers were, “let’s take chances, regardless of the score.” They couldn’t consistently tighten up in their zone. So, yeah Lundqvist is great. But if he had a defense that consistently played defense they would’ve won a cup during this run. Because, as much as you can make the argument that the New York Rangers lacked firepower at the top, they had depth. At one point their supplemental scoring was higher then any other team in the league. And back to Micky, “that’s how winning is done.”

E


Sun Apr 15 2018 1:16 pm EST

Oops 94 Rangers. What a dummy...never mind...

Limbo


Sun Apr 15 2018 1:14 pm EST

Lots o’ teams with great players either suck (NYI/EDM) or are cupless (WAS). Very, very few cup winners did not benefit from one or more 1-3 overall picks. I’m not doing the research, but if pressed I’d say there were zero teams that did not...

Limbo


Sun Apr 15 2018 12:19 pm EST

You're all a bunch of Faux Fans.... Ha, I said it!

mf


Sun Apr 15 2018 12:18 pm EST

Lundqvist allowed 12 goals in back-to-back ECF games vs. TB. 12. 12. 12. Game 7 scoreless, tough game, he yields one on a backhanded fucking SOAPBUBBLE from about 40 ft out LOL!! Enjoy your Sunday.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 12:13 pm EST

Like most here I prefer the touch physical PO games. But one thing we saw with our Torts teams was that you can get physically beaten down in the early PO rounds to the detriment of the later rounds. Unless the Eastern games get rougher, the Eastern conference winner will probably go into the finals much healthier...

Ranger47


Sun Apr 15 2018 12:04 pm EST

It's the King's fault for losing in the POs against the Kings because he didn't score enough goals! Same thing against the Bolts the following year in the conference finals. Shutout in games 5 and 7 - damn you Henrik for not scoring!

rF4l


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:55 am EST

Carefull there sal. Your gonna hurt yourself, and get all confused again. Btw do you sleep with the wall on? Add up all the posts on here from everyone but you and they wont equal yours. Lol L!!

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:54 am EST

GG: We get it. You don't like Henrik. But saying he's been outplayed by every goalie except in one series is flat out moronic.

RDW


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:46 am EST

Hmmm....lemme see.... Toronto with their generational rebuild for dummies blueprint. Down 0-2 to the pretty ordinary Bruins. Fabulous.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:43 am EST

HOSPO: it’s pretty reasonable to state that the Ducks are more physical then anyone in the NHL. But SJ is a big team. Outside of Couture, LeBanc, and Pavelski they are all over 6’0 and +200 lb guys. I think the difference against the Ducks seems to be the Sharks defense boxing out those second effort shots that the Ducks feast on. And Jones has been smothering everything else. Add to it, the Ducks have yet to figure out Kane who looks like the superstar he always could’ve been there. He has been dominate at times. Everyone gets hit. He’s fast, he keeps getting into the holes. And he is Chris Krieder strong. It’s amazing what has happened with him. I think the Ducks are far from finished off but I don’t think they imagined that they were going to get jumped like they did at home. And yeah, it’s been a real fun series so far. Yet another example of east vs. west hockey. How I want a New York Rangers team built like a western conference team. And not this fast, skilled, track meet snooze festival that we see in the east.

E


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:43 am EST

Swap goalies in the LA finals, that Cup is ours. Lundqvist has been outplayed in every playoff series excepting MTL last year for the Rangers entire run.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:39 am EST

The Queen should stand on her powder puff, maybe she'd catch a few more pucks!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:32 am EST

Hospo: Agreed. And this year they'd be bottom 5 if not for a bunch of stand on his head games from the King. For that matter, much of their extended PO run was on his back. It's, as many of us knew from the outset and now history has proven that to be correct, a flawed cup winning strategy. Of course, what it did accomplish was some exciting, if not nail-biting, hockey and brimming PO revenues for Dolans and company.

rF4l


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:19 am EST

Well, it was Queenie who gagged vs. Ottawa, no lead safe final two minutes. This year he was good for 20 games, not extraordinary. Please with the revisionist crap. And we were in or near the top 5 was my point.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:11 am EST

Kovalme...the next Messiah?

RF4l


Sun Apr 15 2018 11:01 am EST

GG - We touched top 5 overall last year only because of the insanely hot start fueled by your friend The King..From late November on, they were merely a .500 team and why they only won one round..and choked against Ottawa

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:58 am EST

35 years young! Whoo-hoo! Predict Kovalchuk will be a lot like Shanahan signing, which I assume most saw as a good thing. Two years from now they'll be some appreciation for him.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:55 am EST

Well, 2nd round against Ott last year, as late as Xmas this year think we touched top 5 overall. Not what I'd call suck until everything went in the crapper & Gorto broke out the stationary. But im with ya. Even moves per se mean dick. People need to perform. And first we need to get some people. Even Kovi, I'm half celebrating but until it's done - on the dotted line - it ain't.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:53 am EST

Happy Birthday I.K...

mf


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:52 am EST

HOSPO-She is correct, of course. There were guys getting blown up last night. And the refs let them play.......until they started making things up to call in the second half of the game. Some of the saves Gibson made were just stupid. My impression is that San Jose is the far better coached team. They play their system to a T and get the puck out of their zone quickly. And they are very fast. Anaheim’s defense, without Fowler is lacking, and playing Beauchemin and Bieksa in the same lineup is a problem for them.

Bob


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:48 am EST

GG - True, it's wait and see. The only thing tangible and factual is his perfomance the past two years--which sucked. I'll be a doubting Hospo until convinced oherwise by actual moves..

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:43 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Igor Shesterkin posted his second shutout in as many days and was named Russia's Player of the Game today as Russia defeated Norway in the Euro Hockey Challenge. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:42 am EST

Sal. Then You should stop thinking so much clearly it just confuses you.

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:39 am EST

Like I mentioned yesterday.... per Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... Bob McKenzie Retweeted Russia Hockey Now that he is 35, Ilya Kovalchuk is officially off the NHL’s voluntary retired list and is now an NHL UFA who can immediately negotiate and agree to terms with any NHL team. Can’t sign any deal until July 1:

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:25 am EST

Don't blame ya Hospo. Just keep in mind the GM is handcuffed for two months, basically. He can't buy anything. So it really seems like a low point, no coach even. Same time, he's got a great line of credit.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:19 am EST

LeoS - Priceless and so true..they are a cure for insomnia...GG - I hope you are right..but right now they dont have the players to be either...I'll believe it when i see it..not beliveing in hypothetical rosterbation and imagined lineups

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:08 am EST

Bob - Friday night my wife got home from a hellish workweek and said she was gonna go straight to bed but we cajoled her to just come down and watch hockey and fall asleep on the couch like she usually does...about 45 minutes later she again says she's going to bed "What happened to falling asleep on the couch?" we asked. Her priceless reply: "It's a lot easier falling asleep to Rangers games." LOL

LeoS


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:05 am EST

Rangers aren't going to be boring (And they'll be pretty good). Bet.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 10:03 am EST

BOB - I watched that game also..damn exciting..The Ducks are more physical than the SHarks..but the Sharks werentshrinking back either..just lke Vegas and the KIngs..Has made for very good games to watch...That's why you want your team in the POs..PO Hocekey is great ...Fot over two year, outside of the Habs PO series, the Rangers have been a total bore to watch...But now, they just arent boring, but boring AND BAD..Obviously they will be bad again next year, but just hope to god GORDO brings a the right coach and turns over at least half the roster to at least gives us sometuhing "not boring"..I'll settle for that

Hospo


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:51 am EST

Went to ANA-SJS last night. Fast, hard hitting, intense. A really good game. Reminded me of how lame the regular season is and how incredibly boring the Rangers have been the last couple seasons.

Bob


Sun Apr 15 2018 9:15 am EST

I thought once you get one of those generational talents you win everything. Fire Babcock!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:01 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/michael-grabner-would-be-open-to-returning-to-the-rangers/269689742

stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 8:00 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/15/scott-stevens-is-just-the-leader-the-rangers-need/

stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 7:08 am EST

so maybe by 2028 history will start to repeat....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 7:07 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 21h21 hours ago On this date, April 14, 1928, the #NYR won their first Stanley Cup. First of three in 12 years.

stevielegs


Sun Apr 15 2018 2:09 am EST

The EAST games have been so freaking boring compared to the hockey being played out WEST.--FAST with bodies flying..role players coming to the forefront....Really enjoy watching the KING-Vegas, NASH-COL and especially Winnipeg..I dont know about the process (it took them a long time to get it right), but that is the kinda of team I want the Rangers to be...Ditto for Nashville..

Hospo


Sat Apr 14 2018 10:54 pm EST

Salamander...lmao - your life is this board isn't it? you never miss a beat. Hey dude, all good but wow, what a life! lmao

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 14 2018 10:22 pm EST

Shannahan Sucks! Haha...

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 14 2018 10:17 pm EST

Leafs would win the cup with karlsson and kolavme lol

RF4l


Sat Apr 14 2018 9:41 pm EST

Toronto is getting spanked stepped on a demoralized.

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 9:30 pm EST

Must be the Leafs compromised feeder system lol.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 14 2018 9:25 pm EST

First - F the debbies. That org-with-the-horseshoe-up-their-ass can’t lose and suffer enough. Second - Moonshot scenario: Bolts win the cup, the entire team has the shits for 4 months in 19 and miss the POs, we luck out in the lottery and we get our stud. Guy can dream, right? Third - I kind of like the Leafs and beating BOS will help our draft a bit, but, really enjoying their struggles. This is one of those teams that didn’t want to sweeten the pot for our self off. F ‘em, and all others like that, too.

Limbo


Sat Apr 14 2018 9:09 pm EST

Leafs so far are afraid. Coach keeps their most physical plauer in the preasbox - Matt Martin. ????? Coaches can be befuddling...

RF4l


Sat Apr 14 2018 8:58 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - He better be paying attention..Different game during the PO..You need skill and Size..and size that can play physical..The thing you dont want is a mini me defesne of guuys like Deangelo, Pionk, Gilmour, to go with the woeful Shattenkirk..which brings me to.....E - I think you uare right about Shatt not being traded..basically becuse he has been horendous since last February and nobody would want him at his price tag

Hospo


Sat Apr 14 2018 8:44 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... FINAL: Wolf Pack win 4-2! Unsung Hero Gabriel Fontaine has a 2- point night, Marek Mazanec makes 30 saves and the boys pick up the win in their final game of the season! Thank you fans for your amazing support all season, we’ll see you at the @XLCenter in October! #ThankYouFans

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 14 2018 8:25 pm EST

Toronto is outmatched:(

rngrsans


Sat Apr 14 2018 8:02 pm EST

Wow...........watching the Leafs game........the young guns for TO,.......... Matthews,Nylander and Marner are frightened to death............makes you wonder about going with a youthfull team doesn't it ???????

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Apr 14 2018 7:45 pm EST

Tomorrow is the first day that NHL teams can 'officially' start talking to Ilya Kovalchuk about a contract. He doesn't become an NHL UFA until his 35th birthday, which is tomorrow. If Kovalchuk had admitted to talking to the NYR's(or anyone else) before then, the NJD could have filed tampering charges. He can't officially sign that contract until July 1st.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 14 2018 7:29 pm EST

I would put the chances of Shattenkirk being traded in this offseason at roughly 5%. Virtually no one is untouchable but he’s got the skill set that every team wants and he is a relative bargain at that price. And I’m watching the playoffs and I’m seeing blue line mobility being more important then ever. The upper echelon teams have defenders that can do more then a first pass. They can bring the puck up. And this isn’t going to be a bunch of wide eyed kids. Look at the NJD. And they have a lot of skill mixed in with support vets and they’re being run out of the building. To make things worse TB skipped the lube. This is where are argued against detonation at the deadline. But to move key assets that were closing on expiration date and move in incremental phases. Obviously, they felt different. And we can all speculate the way we want and why but I get the feeling that there was something stale in that locker room and they needed to get in there with the Lysol. Not to mention that I really think Groton really wants a team of different makeup. And that’s something that I can easily get on board with. Make a California team in NY would make me giddy. Big, skilled, fast, and physical. Not saying that they need a team of axe murderers. Just a team that throws their weight around and gets under the skin. And when you play like that I think you’re on to something. Team matchups that I’m enjoying early on: The Jets. Man do they bring the pain. Nashville is the same. In the east? All star matchups. Oodles of skill up and down the lineups but grit? These teams all want to play off the glass and in space. Single man cross corner or ring around forechecks are nowhere to be found. Safe is death. Not enough playing to win and lots of playing not to lose. Whip the puck around, draw a penalty and win on a PP. a Phoooey I say. Track meet and zone hockey is for Europe on a big ice.

E


Sat Apr 14 2018 6:02 pm EST

I will concede the Preds Forsberg is talented but he is a dirty player...His day is coming for his cheap shots....Hope I am watching....

PJ


Sat Apr 14 2018 5:58 pm EST

Colorado giving Trashville some competition. The thought of Trashville-Winnipeg is really enticing. Physical hockey between to big, fast teams. Should be entertaining.

Bob


Sat Apr 14 2018 5:55 pm EST

GORTON: Pay attention to this please.....https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/big-physical-hockey-important-ever-stanley-cup-playoffs/

schneidw


Sat Apr 14 2018 5:54 pm EST

edit: Couldnt GET

schneidw


Sat Apr 14 2018 5:54 pm EST

TB: I just read on the WALL that McD and JT are playing really well... NO surprise whatsoever and given both players have reasonable contracts, I think its ridiculous GORTON could even get a top 5 prospect from TB.... Bummed I missed the game... wanted to see all the ex-NYRs play today...

schneidw


Sat Apr 14 2018 5:14 pm EST

NJ Pig Fuckers lose 5-3

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 4:44 pm EST

Preds and AVS in a good one....Devils just overmatched....Bolts just too much firepower....

PJ


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:55 pm EST

Kinkaid gets the hook

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:54 pm EST

5-1 Tampa Bawawawawahhhhhh Devils eat SHIT

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:47 pm EST

JT MILLER a one man wrecking crew

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:36 pm EST

Tampa up 4-1 McDonagh and JT MILLER playing unbelievable

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:33 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ... #NYR Updates: Lias Andersson was named the Best Player of the game for Sweden today, as he tallied a goal in an exhibition game against Denmark. Igor Shesterkin stopped all 16 shots he faced to earn a shutout as Russia defeated Norway, 2-0, in the Euro Hockey Challenge.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:05 pm EST

Ola gettin' some good shit, man. Your neck of the woods. I'm stoked.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:01 pm EST

Where's all the SuperFans, a pick-nic lol

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:01 pm EST

All tied up 1-1

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 2:50 pm EST

Tampa takes a one goal lead

rangerlou


Sat Apr 14 2018 12:42 pm EST

Craig Custance: I heard your aggressive philosophy was one of the things that impressed the Coyotes most during your interview. How would you describe your philosophy as a coach? ............................................................. Todd Nelson: “I think in this day and age, if you wait for something bad to happen it’s going to happen. Why not try to dictate play? That goes along with my system work, that goes along with my philosophy. I hate the term, ‘Let’s weather the storm.’ I hate that because you’re in a defensive mode versus 'We fight fire with fire' and we’re going to jam it down their throat. Over the course of a game or series you have to adjust tactics; I get that. Those are the adjustments you have to make. I want to force them to beat us. If I get beat, I don’t want to do it in a defensive mode. I want to go after them. If they beat us, I tip my hat to them.” ............. https://theathletic.com/74290/2017/07/09/sunday-q-and-a-todd-nelson-and-his-jam-it-down-their-throat-coaching-philosophy/

mf


Sat Apr 14 2018 12:16 pm EST

Bob Stauffer ‏ Verified account @Bob_Stauffer Follow Follow @Bob_Stauffer More For the 6th time in the last 7 full seasons Todd Nelson has guided an AHL team to 40+ wins. He has a 308-199-63 (.596) record with OKC/Grand Rapids. Breeds offensive confidence in his players and has excellent PP's. Should be in the mix for NHL Head Coaching jobs in off-season

RDW


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:10 am EST

Oops, here the quote from Ottawa's GM. “There were quite a few things that were addressed because, to us, this is unacceptable,” Dorion said. “Two things that will change, for sure, if he’s back, is the implementation of the younger players in our lineup. He’ll decide who gets what ice time and we’re going to practise more. “Rest is a weapon … If I hear that one more time, I’ll go crazy.”

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 14 2018 3:09 am EST

Everything's always so buttoned up with the Rangers, anything with AV & whichever GM was always some clandestine thing. Sometimes it's funny to see how other teams operate.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:34 pm EST

Pitt game: the embellishment was Horn THROWING HIMSELF BACKWARDS OFF THE BOARDS, not going in! What the hell do these announcers look at?

Nick


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:31 pm EST

4/13/18 |5:09PM: Kovalchuk said in Russia today that he has not had any contact with any NHL teams but that teams have expressed interest. 2:44PM: Darren Dreger said on the radio Friday that he does think Kovalchuk will sign with the Rangers but that it will likely be for a year or two, not three. Dreger said that the Rangers have interest in Kovalchuk and that he hasn't heard of any other team with the same level of interest as the Rangers.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 7:57 pm EST

_ARC: Generational or whatever the matrix is by the individual here is the deal. Dahlin has every reason to believe that his potential is going to be as defensively skilled as Victor Hedman and has an offensive game that is ridiculous. So, although he is a different player in many ways this kid has the ability to be mentioned with Doughty when people talk defenseman. And he has been a cornerstone to 2-cup wins. So, if Dahlin isn't generational who cares? He has every chance to be friggin awesome. Nothing is guaranteed of course. But find a scout that doesn't salivate over the guy. He is the real deal.

E


Fri Apr 13 2018 6:52 pm EST

Btw this ‘generational’ talent thing gets thrown about way too easily. I mean it’s supposed to mean what it’s supposed to mean it’s fucking English. A talent like that should come once every GENERATION (which I take to mean decade). IMO there’s 4 of those in the nhl right now (Ovie, Crosby, McDavid and Matthews! Having said that I DONT think Dahlin is a ‘generational’ talent. He’s going to be a perennial all star and he is ‘significantly’ better than anyone else this year but he’s not ‘heads and shoulders’ above everyone else. I’ve watched enough of these guys by now (too much free time on my hands) to say that that second tier (from 2-6) can go any different number of ways depending on how teams value different skill sets but I think all of them have very good shot at being in contention for all star status every year. Like I said, if both Patrick and Hirchier were in this years draft, I could see both sliding out of the top5 that’s how good those other five kids are. The big drop in talent happens after 6 and then after that around 12. I think it’s really helpful to decide the draft into those blocks and do whatever possible to leapfrog into those groups. I’d add in the caveat that almost all the prognosticators are seemingly coming to the conclusion that Svechnikov is the clear #2 (I agree) but I also understand how others may assign a premium to other intangible and tangible attributes (sandpaper of Tkachuk or RHD Boqvist)

_Arc


Fri Apr 13 2018 6:31 pm EST

Vic- not to beat a dead horse here but again, don’t understand the McD trade even more so. I was thinking that a lot of the teams drafting high this year MAY have thought that addition of a blue line anchor would advance their rebuilds significantly (again, Buf, Arizona, Edm). I would have much rather have a shot at a top3 pick than all the other pieces we picked up! You think on the flip side we could get one of those teams to bite on #29, Howden and Hajek? I don’t think so but who knows

_Arc


Fri Apr 13 2018 5:25 pm EST

Mf...yeah but how many centers do they need? O'Reilly Eichel Middlettat Reinhart...and more. Too many...

Ranger Dude


Fri Apr 13 2018 5:11 pm EST

re Buff: there's an article, maybe on the Hockey News which mentioned that Reinhardt is turning his game around and growing into the player they thought they were drafting.. Doubt he's available...AON, Okposo has been a big disappointment for them... Then theres the D and G ... They need work but the core is there

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 4:31 pm EST

Vic: Mmmm...I might entertain that depending on what comes to NY. I like Skjei a ton and he's got great upside but Gorton has been assembling a slew of young defensemen and will likely draft at least 1 with his 3 first rounders. He keeps Shat and 1/3 of next year's defense with Staal's contract around is already decided.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 4:25 pm EST

RF4L: I agree on Buffalo. If they don't get a chance at DAHLIN then I think they are open to trading the pick. There was a lot of talk about that last week on the NHL Network on SiriusXM. But again I think they are going to want an established D that can help them right now. I have to think SKJEI plus MZA would be where the bidding starts.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 4:21 pm EST

MF: You want Edmonton to trade a lottery slot (however remote) you are going to have to pay for it. Consider what would happen if they traded that slot for just KIRK and then the Rangers ended up winning the lottery with that slot. The fan base there would go insane. They are going to want a return that could make it acceptable if that happened.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 4:18 pm EST

Vic: If Buffalo doesn't win the lottery, I think their first is up for grabs. They are looking for some savvy veterans. What would a package of Fast, MZA and the 8th overall pick fetch from the Sabres? Their first (which would be 2nd or 3rd overall, meaning the Rangers are able to draft one of Tkachuk/Zadina/Svechnikov) and what else? Could they get Reinhart, too?

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 4:03 pm EST

RF: If I'm Gorton I make that trade, the outlook for the future is a 180 from the beginning of last season..... VIC, on second thought, rich or not, I'd still make that trade with EDM.... Now, what do we need to pony up for Arizona's 1st? Our 1st, SKJEI, and something else? ..... Oy Vey...... Gonna be watching the Rangers win the cup when we're all in nursing homes....

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:48 pm EST

mf: Yes, I'd move Shatt to Edmonton for their first. I suspect there's a good chance, however, Shatt wouldn't go there and/or Gorton will be reluctant to trade a guy who took a discount to come to NY a year after he signs.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:48 pm EST

You never know....ever thought I'd see Ooh La La Sassoon in Detroit! :)

Ranger47


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:37 pm EST

Skinny Jeans in Buffalo...Never...

PJ


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:31 pm EST

I would trade Shatt to Edmonton for their second....

PJ


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:25 pm EST

Loved Granato. Wish we had a player like that. As a coach? No idea what hed bring but a good common sense approach emphasisizing work would be a good start from anybody. Systems are way overrated.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:17 pm EST

VIC, that seems a bit too rich for their pick

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:06 pm EST

OLA: I would do that trade in a NY second but I suspect it will take more then that to get it done. Probably more like KIRK, the Boston #1 and a prospect (GILMOUR/PIONK maybe).

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:01 pm EST

NYRs sign Granato to coach yet?

schneidw


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:41 pm EST

RF, would you trade Shatt to Edm for their 1st?

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:39 pm EST

mf: I can emphatically say no, Lundqvist will not agree to a trade to Buffalo.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:38 pm EST

Ola, does Buffalo want Hank for their first? We can easily eat half his salary... Would Hank agree to move?

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:36 pm EST

OLA: I'd make that trade in a NYC Second.... Any other takers on that trade?

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:34 pm EST

The FishStinks could resign JT and have room for IK too...

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:34 pm EST

EDM is willing to give up their top pick for a scoring D men. Shattenkirk can only block 10 teams. Shatty would score a lot of pts for EDM, fit in well there is a vet on a young talented team. He would make a lot of money on his next deal having McDavid boosted stats. Gorts should sit down with Shatty and have him waive the NMC 7 days in advance to enable him to get moved to EDM. Shatty for 9th overall.

Ola


Fri Apr 13 2018 2:07 pm EST

One way JT could be back with the Fishsticks is if they win the lottery. Slim odds but they have the 10th and 12th pick. That would be an f'ing nightmare.

RDW


Fri Apr 13 2018 1:44 pm EST

All of that shows why I think it is important to pull off a trade with Arizona if possible. I doubt Ottawa or Buffalo are going to trade their current lottery position. But Arizona might. Arizona has a 33.9% chance of landing a top 3 pick and an 84.8% chance of landing a top 5 pick. The Rangers have a 19% chance of landing a top 3 pick and a 72% chance of landing either the 8th or 9th pick. From everything I have heard DAHLIN is a generational talent. I've also heard that the next 4 or 5 players are expected to be excellent NHL players. But after that the talent drops off. Personally, I have no idea. I've never seen one second of any them including DAHLIN. But if the scouts agree on all of that it makes it important to move into the top 3 or 5 if possible. Again, no guarantees with any of this or with any of the kids including DAHLIN.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 1:36 pm EST

R47: Arizona currently has the 3rd slot. Teams can only drop down a maximum of 3 spots. So the worst Arizona can do is the #6 pick. The Rangers have the 8th spot right now. The worst they could do is the #11 pick. The only things that are being drawn are the first 3 picks. So if the Rangers don't get one of the first 3 picks then they best they can do is #8. The only way the Rangers can move up to a higher draft pick then Arizona is if they win one of the first 3 picks. Here is a page that shows the complete odds: (http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds)

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 1:34 pm EST

Yeah we'll leap up, all the way to 7th lol. I'd consider that good since our luck is.... our luck usually. But maybe this year will be different. If we get into the top 5 but not 1st I think they grab one of these Russian scoring wings. We've gone from maybe the deepest RW team in the league to just Fast & Buch if Zuc moves.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 1:20 pm EST

We keep talking about getting the #8 pick and possibly moving up with a trade partner like Arizona. But, it is my understanding that until April 28th (?) we will not no how the lottery of picks shakes out. We could end up with 11th or 4th (I think) and Arizona could drop behind us in the lottery as I understand it. So, we will not know what we'll face until then.

Ranger47


Fri Apr 13 2018 12:48 pm EST

VIC: LOL indeed, leave no stone unturned... Welcome to the Royal Order of The Traderators

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 12:37 pm EST

MF: LOL! I just ran it and Edmonton got the first pick. Can you imagine....

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 12:15 pm EST

Talk about trading up with Arizona, has anyone toyed with that Tankethon site to see where the Yotes wind up picking?

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:59 am EST

Sorry to be fair I think you can say that they overpaid for Sonny Gray. But that is a trade I would not have made. Don't like that pitcher at all.

NYStranger


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:56 am EST

Yes but the Yankees haven't overpaid for any of these guys. That is the big difference.

NYStranger


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:46 am EST

Yo Vic, feel free to root for the Yankees...There's a team that got substantially younger in laws than two years, and seized the moment to sign an Easter in Giancarlo Stanton.... Rangers should overpay for Tavernas...

mf


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:44 am EST

That's an interesting one, Vic. So happens he's a left D and we just took in 3 LD in trades plus Skjei is the best young NHL D we have, period. Still, whats the cost? We have too many other needs imo to overstock the left side. Now I've thrown this out a few times. I wouldn't be shocked they swing a deal with AZ but grab a forward, and maybe OEL. Depends what happens on the Karlsson front. Maybe they do that and look to grab a RD like Bouchard around 8 if he's there. Again to me, it's more about ingredients, gettin all the elements of winnings teams in your roster at once and peaking the right time. People want a stud but don't want Erik Karlsson? Crazy to me. But so is the last time we drafted in the top 3 being 1962 lol. (may have been 64, Brad Park). See what happens I guess.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:25 am EST

Hospo- I know he’s in his overage year in the W but he’s is producing on par (just like Ronning). In contrast remember I got it into with Wild because Ryan Gropp DIDNT dominate in his overage year (and look where he is right now). I’m not saying he’s gonna be a 1st line player but as RF was saying a solid 3rd liner with some upside to get into top6 is not too unrealistic. He scores almost all his goals from around the crease so I’m just stoked to see someone who is comfortable and proficient going to the net (of which we don’t have too many of right now). I know Kreider tries to sometime but he looks like a fish out of water there (always late for screens, not getting too many tips, getting hit in the sack, etc). I know Hayes looked like he was geytimg there towards the end but either way, Howden has some promise there

_Arc


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:16 am EST

no guarantees....

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:16 am EST

GG: I don't know of anyone here who has ever made the argument that it is automatic. Ever. Even with drafting multiple #1 overall picks there are guarantees. Because there are so many factors that go into building a Cup winning team. First, were you lucky enough to be drafting #1 overall when truly generational or elite players were there? Do you have an organization that can properly develop your draft picks and prospects. Does your GM surround your young players with the right veterans to help them understand what it takes to be a pro and how to win in the NHL? Does your GM know when to trade young players and prospects and when to hold onto them. And on, and on, and on. There are so many other factors that go into it as well. But at the end of the day if you look at who is winning Cups, and who isn't, it is pretty clear that a significant percentage of teams that are built around #1 overall generational or elite talents win Cups. And since the lockout almost 100 percent of the teams that don't have those players don't win the Cup. And as for Arizona....everything has its price. How bad do you want a shot at DAHLIN? Because I think a package of the Rangers pick at #8 overall plus a later first round pick plus SKJEI gets it done.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 11:00 am EST

Vic I'm not making straw man arguments, that's a practical part of what we're talking about. How to? Sure it'd be swell if AZ or another team wanted to hand over their pick (that they desperately need). But you do realize they may not want to do that, right? I agree we'll try to do something bold, now's the time we're best equipped. And having done business in the past I agree AZ is a possible dance partner. Still, you gotta make a deal. The guarantee part is relevant too in going for an established player vs. A neophyte. You know what you're getting with a much better level of certainly, but no o r seems to care lol. That's why this becomes comical. Many haven't even watched a second of video on these kids, have no idea what player they're even talking about. They just think it's automatic, get no.2 overall draft stud win Cups, plural that's laughable, especially when the very same thumb their nose at guys among the best in the game like Karlsson, or the best we have like Zibanajad, or even a best buy in free agency which Kovalchuk can easily be.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:55 am EST

HOSPO: And I freely admit that I am jaded the other way. Because in all of the sports that I follow, and with all of my favorite teams it only worked once that I can remember.......24 years ago. Every other time it failed.....miserably.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:51 am EST

R47 and ARC: Totally agree. HOSPO: Yep, the Giants were that one team in those years that was happy with the Go For It trades that they made. Everyone else......not so much. I think you have been jaded to some degree because you root for a team where that actually worked. For all but 1 team it doesn't work. Every year....in every sport. For every team that it does work for there are 10 others where it didn't.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:37 am EST

Howden: My take on him, after watching him play for Canada's WJC this past Christmas, is a solid 3rd liner with 2nd line upside. Good size and agility and a willingness to go the net for tips/rebounds/etc. Most definitely a viable prospect who is probably a safe bet to be an NHLer - where he ends up slotting in is the bigger question. I do concur some time in Hartford is probably in the cards for him and there's zero wrong with that of course. Hopefully, next year the Pack are not the sad-sack franchise they've been lately.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:34 am EST

_ARC - HOWDEN should be producing, he's been in the WHL for FIVE years!..Dont get me wrong, I like what I read about the kid and his game/size but take his production/game in the WHL with a grain of salt...He needs a challenge like the AHL for a year or two to see if he can do the same against older and bigger before getting too amped on the guy..Hopeful but cautious

Hospo


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:30 am EST

Arc: Yeah and hopefully, under a new coach and with some more maturity and experience, Jimmy Vesey's game rises and he also becomes that sort of player. He's got the size and hands to be successful at that sort of game. Does he want to be that player? That's probably more key than anything else.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:27 am EST

Arc: Yep. It's just so obvious I can't believe some don't see it. Look at all the alleged cup favourites this year - every one of them has at least one key player drafted in the top 5, save for Boston who I'm not convinced is a cup favourite anyways.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:26 am EST

Btw it’s great to see Howden producing in the WHL playoffs. I’m really curious to see how both he and Gettinger get a chance up here with the big club. Guys that go to net and occupy time and space from the down low defense has such and add on synergistic effect on the outside perimeter guys, especially if they are speed type prancers (of which we have plenty of). I think this was Ava’s 2 nd most infuriating thing- he just didn’t have any appreciation of anything but that singular speed demon! Not saying either should or will do enough to make it already but I hope the new coach is flexible enough to give these kids a chance to do their thing even if they’re not all upper echelon skaters.

_Arc


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:19 am EST

Vic- Dave Gettleman (for the giants) used the term ‘Quaterback Hell” in describing teams that have good overall depth and are relatively competitive so they end up drafting 8-25 region which puts them just outside the ability to draft the top tier QB but they can’t get far in the playoffs without one either. And it costs too much to trade up to position to draft them (see what Philly gave up for Wentz a couple years ago and what the Jets had to give up just to move up 3 spots!!!). This is very similar to getting a true difference maker in the NHL. Usually speaking the only way is to Draft one and develop them and generally speaking, they’re usually top3-4 picks. There’s always exceptions but that’s much too few and far in between!

_Arc


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:17 am EST

Ranger47...........geez, and I thought I was the old guy on this wall.......good job man !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:10 am EST

Send them Assvipe

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:10 am EST

Dallas Stars Dallas Stars @DallasStars Dallas Stars Head Coach Ken Hitchcock announced today his retirement from coaching in the NHL after 22 seasons as a head coach. Hitchcock will remain with the Stars as a consultant.

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 10:04 am EST

I think Ranger mgmt needs to view trades and acquisitions threw a different lens starting now. Realistically we will not have another real shot at the Cup for 3 years or more. This makes me think that they need to view the current team as composed as being ready to trade away anyone who they do not see as a key contributor in year 4 and beyond. And, since they will have a lot of kids coming up over the next several years they will need SOME proven vets with leadership skills who can help those kids make the necessary transition over the next 3 years. Can't rush this rebuild IMHO, but can make changes with strategic impact while making for short-term tactical entertainment. JMHO.

Ranger47


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:45 am EST

VIC - OTOH, the San Francisco Giants went for it EVERY YEAR and won the World Series in 2010, 2012, and 2014 interspersed with years not making the POs..I'll take that any time! But there does come a time when you have to pay the piper and the Giants are just about there..but they are taking one more shot this year..before a likely tear down..I applaud that shot...But, like this year with the Giants, I think last year started as the Rangers last shot and just went to hell..I applaud the Rangers/Sather thinking in trying to win in the past (not the execution--bad deals/signings) but it's obvious they are now at the point where they have to rebuild/replenish in some fashion, extreme or surgically..We shall see

Hospo


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:39 am EST

At 71 I sure as hell don't have a lot of time left to see us win another Cup! :( We had our chance against LA and with a couple of good bounces might have hoisted one then. What we need now is to break out of "mediocre hell" just making the playoffs and winning nothing. So, I'm fine with any rebuild which in the next 5 years makes us a consistent playoff finalist candidate....

Ranger47


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:31 am EST

Case in point is the Texas Rangers. They had a great team that went to two World Series in a row (2010 and 2011). They were robbed of a World Series Win in the second one. They were young and talented up and down the lineup. And then they kept making "Go for it" moves over the next several years. They traded away draft picks, prospects and players to get aging vets for the playoff push. In a lot of ways they are very similar to the New York Rangers except that the Texas Rangers actually had a great team with star players for their runs. Since then they have become perpetually mediocre. They make the playoffs from time to time but they aren't good enough to go far. They aren't bad enough to draft at the top of the draft to get the next generation of superstars. So they are a collection of good players including some good young players. But they are mediocre and will continue to be mediocre for the foreseeable future. It is a death spiral for a franchise. And as a fan it sucks the life out of me. I already have lost interest in the baseball season this year and we aren't even in May yet.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:23 am EST

STEVIE: I disagree. I don't think they had a Cup contender. They had a good team. Actually, a very good regular season team. But they didn't have the top end players to win Cups. And they didn't. They got to the finals once thanks to MSL's mom. I don't want another team like this last one. I don't want it to be that the only way they can win a Cup is if they have some miracle happen where all of the stars align. It just isn't worth my time. I don't want good, I want great. Either suck or be great. Anything in between is just a waste of time.....

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:21 am EST

AV should have been fired for trotting Nick Holden out as his top pair defenseman. That is more than enough to prove his incompetence, and that is only one of many issues. His speech after the final game was confirmation of the man’s arrogance. I am sure that Gorton knew he was going to whack him.......there were clues at the time of the letter to the fans. Torts was maniacal in NY, AV was a welcome alternative. He went to the finals with Torts’ players. Since the finals.......their results deteriorated completely. That the man, still owed $8 Million, would them roll out the “you play the players you are given” tripe is another example of his ego and his lack of awareness.

Bob


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:15 am EST

stevie: Could be - it was a dumb-ass speech from AV for sure; like a petulant school boy. So glad he's gone and I concur he should have been fired last summer - it was so clear to many of us his message was falling on deaf ears. But in this case, better late than never certainly fits. Now I want the POs to end like tomorrow so Gorton can restart his rebuild.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:08 am EST

Vic they had a cup contender for the last 5 years but not a cup coach. .... he undermined the team and the gm way too many times. And his captain mcdoodie parmenter was an accomplice.

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 9:03 am EST

Newfie I’m too old to wait 78 years or 54 or whatever...lol... Rf4l I think they rushed the announcement because Assvipe made those comments after the game , and didn’t want him to get any press out of it. Especially the two on the greatest assets were the coaches and yes yes no doubt I’ll be back next season. I’m pretty sure I heard fishboy say he deserved until the end of the season. They probably were going to can him on Sunday but he got the express treatment by giving that speech which he obviously prepared. He never should’ve extended him and he deserved to be fired in the beginning of the season or at the letter or deadline. He could have gave lindy a spin .

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:49 am EST

In thinking about the timing of AV's firing (basically hours after their final game of the season) I believe it was because management did not want AV involved in the player exit meetings. I think the decision to fire AV was made at the same time the decision to retool/rebuild plans was announced. Of course Gorton isn't going to say that; it would lead to speculation on why AV wasn't fired then and that would be a legitimate question. So it wasn't a matter of if; it was a matter of timing and I believe it was that quick because it made no sense to have a lame duck coach involved in exit meetings. Who cares what he thinks if he's gone? And his presence might have stifled some player's responses.

rF4l


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:25 am EST

stevie........wow !.......you know, enough is not said about that amazing fact. What kind of franchise do we really have going in NY with the Rangers ? I mean we are no MTL or TOR but really...........how about a couple of more before I die in peace (re-famous sign from '94)

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:15 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello Happy Anniversary! On this date, April 13, 1940, the #NYR won the Stanley Cup. One in 78 years since.

stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 8:08 am EST

GG: Ahhh, there it is. The Golden Straw Man Argument. I challenge you to find one instance where anyone said anything about a guarantee. There are no guarantees.....ever. You are better then to throw that nonsense out there. And, as for finding a way to draft a potential #1 or #2 overall pick, I've already mentioned how the Rangers could do that this week. They can make a trade with Arizona right now to land Arizona's spot in the lottery. It will cost them to do it. It is a gamble for sure. But I would much rather take that gamble and do something bold to get a chance at a generational talent rather then picking another JESPER LIAS ANDERSON with the 8th (assuming they don't drop) overall pick. I don't want a team full of STEPANs and FASTs. I don't want a team that is good enough to make the playoffs but never good enough to win a Cup. It is all or nothing for me. Build me a team that has a good chance to win a Cup every year or be the worst team in the league. Because losing is losing. When you lose your last game of the year you lost. And that last loss, no matter how far they get in the playoffs, hurts more then all of the wins combined. In fact, the further they go in the playoffs the more it hurts.

Vic


Fri Apr 13 2018 5:53 am EST

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2018/04/13/brett-favre-has-memory-issues-may-have-had-thousands-concussions.html

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 5:48 am EST

The main point about a Draisityl dream rebuild is no one can guarantee you even get into the top 3 to pick the fucker. And if you could, still no guarantee that player is there or becomes the cornerstone guy. Though most would assume that risk. I would but no one's demonstrated how. We declared the season over in January, went with less than half an NHL lineup, have a shit ton of picks and legit NHL players to trade and still no clear way to get there. Its a red herring.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 13 2018 3:49 am EST

Season ticket holders pay to see the nyr so their opinions count more than the rest of the fans. There is no good reasons to expect them to wait 5years for the perfect rebuild concept that may or may not really happen. A gm like fishboy has to use the abridged version. He can’t just use the draft and the Farm system. If Karlsson was a ufa he should go after him or a reasonable trade and sign deal. If jt will listen to the nyr he should go after him. If kovaltine wants to be a nyr he should find a way to get him etc etc.... this way the 5 year picks don’t get rushed to the nhl. Almost none of the kids really excelled in Hartford or with the nyr to prove they don’t need more time in Hartford. How many here that want the long road go or watch the Hartford games like they watch the nyr games? Why not ? ....

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 13 2018 12:05 am EST

The posts below are potential college free agents that caught my eye. I figure at this point Gorton should be looking everywhere for a diamond in the rough

Rdw


Fri Apr 13 2018 12:03 am EST

Ryan Kuffner, Left Wing, Princeton, 6’1″ 185 lbs, Junior Kuffner is having a remarkable season, with 28 goals and 48 points in 31 games for Princeton. The Ottawa native has gotten better through each year of college hockey. Kuffner attended Winnipeg Jets development camp last summer. Kuffner works well down low, winning battles in the corners and in front of the net. He creates offence in the cycle game, by protecting the puck well, and waiting patiently for an offensive opportunity. He can make plays from further out as well. Kuffner has great vision and passing skills. He can make tape-to-tape passes from anywhere on the ice. Kuffner also has a great wrist shot and release.

Rdw


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:58 pm EST

Brady Keeper, Right Defence, University of Maine, 6’2″ 194 lbs, Freshman Keeper has put up six goals and 20 points in 35 games in his first year of NCAA hockey. Just a freshman, he could stay in school if the offers are not good enough to knock his socks off. He has also put up 86 penalty minutes. Keeper is very physical in the defensive end of the ice but will need to learn where to draw the line and stay disciplined. He is a two-way defender with the stickhandling and speed to lead and join the rush, and get back defensively. Keeper has a good wrist shot and quick release, as well as powerful slapshot.

Rdw


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:59 pm EST

Panerin wit a Gorgeous GOAL...Jackets win

rangerlou


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:55 pm EST

You'd need a flux capacitor to find this mythical Viking centerman, who we can draft (still unexplained how we get there) We can take from the top of the heap & enjoy cup after cup forevermore. Because he doesn't exist, unless he's a sleeper somewhere in which case you don't need no. 1 overall to get him. The fact people mention Ulanov when talking about Erik Karlsson shows the weakness of that argument.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:40 pm EST

Wow, Panarin. Lightning hands ...that D-man went a half step toward the inside and he was beaten right then.

Nick


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:36 pm EST

The Hall for Larsen trade is bed enough already for the Oilers. They don't need Slats back to screw things up even more. Ciarelli has traded Hall and Seguin. He doesn't learn. Did Gorton ask about McD for Hall?

HellsKitchen


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:23 pm EST

Cheesy was a scratch in game one for Las Vegas

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:20 pm EST

GG start with a flux capacitor

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:16 pm EST

Too bad Sather didn't go back to GM the Oilers when Gorto took over. He could have traded us McDavid or Drisitle or whomever for a gym bag full of old jock straps and vintage porno mags!

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:40 pm EST

Arc don't tell me I don't want to win. Tell me how you get the Gordie Howe you seek at 21?

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:21 pm EST

Go Rangers south!!!!! Devils down 3-0

rangerlou


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:20 pm EST

Go Rabers south!!!!!! Devils down 3-0

rangerlou


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:19 pm EST

jratelle: you hit the Daily Double .....

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 6:50 pm EST

mf: "And here is the clue: 'He was quoted as saying that if he had the Rangers' checkbook, he'd never lose a game'. 'uhhh....who is the Buffoon from Banff?' 'Correct for $1,000!' "

jratelle19


Thu Apr 12 2018 6:49 pm EST

Stevie maybe it'll be Pantry: Kitchen II

LeoS


Thu Apr 12 2018 5:58 pm EST

Let's go Rangers!!!!!!!!! Bawawawawawahhhhhhh

rangerlou


Thu Apr 12 2018 5:58 pm EST

G- I’m not saying it’s gonna be easy or it’s gonna be foolproof; all I’m saying is that ‘buying’ a team has never worked. And I just don’t like this half assed, have the cake and eat it too mellenial bulsshit. You gotta pay the piper somehow and considering that throwing money at it hasn’t worked in the past (unless ur the yanks) so I’ll go with the only other way left to get there (to build it from the ground up). I’d be all over it if he was gonna be the thing to put us over the hump but you and I know that’s far from it. I don’t know how Chytil will perform. He may be a stud down the road but I don’t think he’s there yet and I don’t think putting that on him is the way to get him to be a stud. Btw, I don’t think you wanna use the kings in your example; they bottomed out with top5 picks for a number of years there (how do you think they got Doughty) and they were lucky enough that Kopitar made it down to them (just outside the top 10) in quite possibly one of the strongest drafts in recent memory. Ditto Boston. Ultimately the difference is that you seem to value being competitive and making the playoffs while I couldn’t give two shits about either if we don’t win the gdamned CUP

_Arc


Thu Apr 12 2018 4:48 pm EST

slow you blow ..... safe is death....he who hesitates is lost...here comes haste is waste....is there a kitchen 2 the sequel ?

stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 3:48 pm EST

Proper Rebuild for $1000 Alex........ God help us, 40 years of Kitchen1 yelling at Hospo... oh my

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 3:17 pm EST

TSN just gave the NYR 8 of the top 100 prospects (Chytil/LA, 14-15), not counting 3 no.1s, 2 no.2s, and one of those kids is probably the best goalie in the world not in the NHL. Gorton inherited a team largely built, a coaching staff installed. I can't kill him because he's never had carte blanche to craft a team. I've got my doubts but I have faith too. It's really pretty obvious what needs to be done & lots of opportunities. So, no excuses.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 3:16 pm EST

Remember fishboy reupped Assvipe for 2 years last year for what reasons ? And now he fired him..... Fishboy is in cya mode , now it’s his ass not anyone else’s in the brain rust...he has to get provable results not platitudes and the theories of rebuilding....he bought himself maybe 2 years by wasting $8 mil of jimmy dollars....I doubt his aim is to be another lottery team next season....there goes 1 rebuild way out the window....4 to go....

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:56 pm EST

I guess we will all know what direction the Rangers are going in in the next couple of months. Until then, just pure conjecture. Doubt even management knows fully what will develop until they see where they are drafting and until they make some deals. A lot of variables. BTW GG I think you are right on how Gorton is thinking but that is what scares me. His track record has not been all that excellent so far.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:46 pm EST

I never expected Kovalchuk to be a savior, just a real good player. I have no doubt in that regard. Karlsson? Really REALLY good player. Get enough of those, you know what your team is likely to be? Really good. After a few well-placed vets it can be romper room & SuperFans can play capologist all day. But to not want that caliber player, you gotta love in the real world. This NEVER was a total teardown rebuild. And we can disagree, but the funny thing is I think everybody is going to be really happy & excited when it comes together. And that is what they're doing. Not the rebuild for dummies version.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:38 pm EST

GG before you get high and mighty let's talk about the level of competition in the KHL or the Olympics. Just being devil's advocate because we Rangers Fans should know better than hope for this guy to be a savior. Sorry if you don't agree but we really don't have to. That is why we have this wall. To post our views.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:26 pm EST

NYStranger, might want to watch video of Kovalchuk in the khl (including his last goal) before throwing words like that around, cause he'll make you sound stupid.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:25 pm EST

so happy everyone knows the 5 so called right ways to rebuild....which one will fishboy choose ?.....that's up to jimmy and glennie.....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:24 pm EST

Arc man, it's absurd to wish for something unrealistic. Show me how we get a young Lindros, you won't hear me complain. But far as I know, he doesn't exist! I illustrate how we have (6) six no. 1 pick centerman, either here or close, not good enough lol. Ok, but the SuperFan dream team braintrust mustnt have been watching Boston win with Kreci or LA with Kopitar. Karlssons not good enough when the players vote him toughest to play against? Why, because you decided 27 is too old? That's whack. $? Could care less. You also decided Chytil isn't a stud, already. 8 games into his career? Ok. I get it. You want a dominant no. 1 overall, nothing else will do. Youre in luck. Cause Kovalchuks coming haha...

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:19 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger ..... Second assist of the night for #NYR Lias Andersson on Adam Almqvist's powerplay goal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:11 pm EST

Washed up or almost washed up Russian and the Swede -way overpriced for a guy who is 3-5 years ahead of the rest of a young team?

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:07 pm EST

Rhet I thought he might be announcing "no we are yet again not competing for the Stanley Cup next year but we definitely expect a run at the top lottery pick once again".

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:02 pm EST

Arc: Kovalme - stud or washed up stud? Karlsson - stud or washed up stud?

rF4l


Thu Apr 12 2018 2:01 pm EST

g2- fantasy island is giving UFA shitloads of $$ and expecting them to deliver through their contracts. I just don’t get how you can continually champion a course of action that has been PROVEN to be absurd; For every one of Anton Strallman, there’s a hundred REDDEN DROVER ULANOV HOLIK GOMEZ DRURY etc, etc, ETC?? But of course you think it’s gonna be different this time around. That is fantasy island. I agree with Andre and NYStranger of you do this half assed you’ll get half assed results. I don’t give a rats ass what you call it but as RangerLou put it we need STUDS!!! Not washed up studs. We’ve been in stud hell since Tge mid 90’s for Christmas sake. Hell were halfway to 50 years let’s just keep doing the same stupid shit

_Arc


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:37 pm EST

So, the Oilers owner held a press conference to announce that Peter Chiarelli would NOT be getting fired. Brilliant! ...The Head Coach however, is still being evaluated.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:50 pm EST

Vegas pounded Doughty all night......a proven strategy for many years now. He loses control of his emotions and does stupid stuff. Of course, he rarely gets called for it and I will be shocked if he gets suspended. He'll be writing a $5000 check I am sure. Igor Malkin is the same way and he rarely gets called for his retaliations either. Vegas did well, but they are going to have to get a bigger payoff (more goals) as a result of their territorial advantage or they could lose the series. The Kings are very stingy and difficult to score against.

Bob


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:43 pm EST

STEVIE - That was a very physical LV-LA game last night..even more physical then the Jets-Wild game...Love the way they play out west, not even worth watching the Eastern teams..Anyway, according to the stats, the hits were 68-59 in favor of the Kings..Yeah it was inflated, but also reflected the physicality of the game..It's what LA wants but LV really stepped up last night in their first PO game...What an amazing job MCPHEE and GALLANT have done....And you comapre that with TweedleDum and Tweedle Dumber in NY....Anyway,.CARRIER was pounding DOUGHTY all night...finally DOUGHTY had enough and took his shot..Looked dirty to me.....We'll see..

Hospo


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:40 pm EST

The is a 2:30 PM Conference call for the Edmonton Oilers. Is someone getting fired?... MF... In regard to RFA's: I get it. I've probably looked at every possible scenario over the years myself. The only place where there is a smidge of wiggle room is signing a RFA from a team that is up against the cap or the franchise is struggling financially. Also, you have to be certain that the player you are signing will grow into that money you are giving him. It's a mixed bag gamble which might not be worth the risk. Off the top of my head, I don't know of one recently that I can say was a complete success.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:35 pm EST

For my $, I can't wait until cap-busting Karlsson gets here with his bionic foot. And of course Kovalchuk. Because Im not waiting for the perfect storm on fantasy island either, nor are the Rangers. Nor should they. and I saw someone going off on center depth, big unknown but definitely not known enough to say its not enough, if that makes any sense. If no. 6 overall Zibanajad isn't enough for the SuperFan in you, then the two No. 1 picks (Chytil, Andersson) behind him might be, with another no. 1 pick in Hayes, now a legit a 6-5/25-goal two-way center looking like he's slated for the 4th line. Unless something changes (like LA to wing) Little Ty Ronning and his 61 goals will be lucky to even get a look the next few years. Howden is a big rangy No. 1 pick (27th overall) playing very well in the WHL playoffs, which is to say little of another 1st rounder in Namestikov, who's a quality NHL player but probably not here. Still, I cant call that no depth. Can it be championship-level depth one day? That's the question, and Id say it depends mostly on the two top kids and how they mature. Why the hell not? Because they weren't in the top 5 of the draft LOL. That was the whole point taking Chytil, two weeks from ineligibility. Kid was a surefire top 5 pick the following year. Andersson was what, 7th? If you really think the Rangers fortunes will swing that dramatically based on some magical, mythical formula beyond that, I dont know what to say anymore. People actually dont want Erik Karlsson, who NHL players voted toughest D to play against, who all 31 GMs including the one who has him would give their left nut to get. Ok.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:26 pm EST

NHL Player Safety ‏Verified account @NHLPlayerSafety Los Angeles’ Drew Doughty will have a hearing today for an illegal check to the head on Vegas’ William Carrier.

stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:24 pm EST

MF- Maybe; But I think guys like Howden, Ronning, Gettinger (in addition to LA and Chytil) will have a much higher chance of breaking into the lineup in the next 3-4 years and that’s not even counting the invariable additions coming this year. Those guys (and even other formerly highly regarded picks like Sean Day and Ryan Grop are probably NEVER gonna get a chance here having been leapfrogged along the way. Either way, not sure if they’re worth anything right now but I would try and package them in together if possible to get further up in hopes of getting that ‘stud’. As much as I’d love to hold on to those late picks and draft Dominik Bokk just so I can one day sing ‘we will... we will... BOKK YOU!’ I’d much rather try and get a Svechnikov!

_Arc


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:59 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Brett Howden tallied an assist, led all skaters with 29 faceoff wins (29-for-58), and posted a plus-two rating last night. He has registered at least one point in eight of 11 playoff games this year. #NYR..... Five of Howden's six goals thus far in the playoffs have either given Moose Jaw the lead or tied the game, and three of his six goals have been scored in either the third period or overtime. #NYR.... Tim Gettinger tallied two assists in Sault Ste. Marie's win last night. He has posted six multi-point games in eight playoff contests this year (two goals, 10 assists), and he is tied for fourth in the OHL in assists thus far in the playoffs. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:47 am EST

_Arc: had to go take a look at our 2017 Draft picks, 5 of 7 are Centers... Eventually 1 of these "Noodles" will stick to The Wall! :-) (Here come the Gin-da-loons) ... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/draft-central

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:35 am EST

MF- Svechnikov is the pie in the Sky pick for me as well. I’d love Dahlin but short of a minor miracle that ain’t happening but we may be able to put together a package to whoever has the #2 pick to get this kid. I would definitely try and even overpay to get it done (would have to lose a good young vet in the process). Getting 2 picks in the top 4 is not gonna happen. Getting a package together to get into the early teens on the other hand is probably doable. If we could come out with Svchnikov and Dobson/ Veleno/ Kotkaniemi would be pretty awesome. I would seriously consider packaging most of our mid rd picks in this way; We already have almost too many prospects and you end up losing them for next to nothing being burrows in the depth chart (can anyone off the top of their heads recall anything we did after the 1st rd last year???? Might as well have thrown those picks away since they’re 15-20 range AS OF RIGHT NOW!!!!

_Arc


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:20 am EST

Rhet: my interest in RFA's is my passion to hunt for personnel that will help solidify the team.... As a proud card carrying member of the secret order of The Traderators, we are sworn to an oath of leaving no stone unturned.... So, if we have an RFA that we consider a trade chip, and another team has the same, perhaps a sign and trade of RFA's could be done..... Maybe one side needs to sweeten the deal, all I know is we dress 12, 6, & 2, and I want to win.....

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:10 am EST

Hall...

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:09 am EST

Limbo, I seem to recall that The Great Gretzky had a say in the Oilers signing Lucic.... TGO must have been thinking that McDavid needed a McSorely! .... Bet they'd like to undo that move, along with trading all AND Eberle...... The shoulda, woulda, coulda, brigade at your service......

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 11:07 am EST

Limbo: indeed, Edmonton is the first place I'd point a finger at mismanagment...... Funny (to me at least) sometimes I read articles about team mngmnt / coaching decisions, and then compare to the collective sentiment of "This Wall." The Wall Wall has a much better record! :-) ...... Here's another endorsement for The Wall, how many times to we see topics covered in "The Rags" or "Social-sphere" and the points of the subject matter are just more on point here? Many... So, keep up the good work Wallsters, When's our parade up Broadway?

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 10:29 am EST

mf - no doubt. But some of that is self inflicted by those orgs. I give credit to ARI for flipping their 1st for a vet. But that vet was Step. A prancing 55 pointer isn’t moving the needle on his own. Luck is definitely part of it, but some of the teams you mentioned are just shitily run orgs who make really bad decisions.

Limbo


Thu Apr 12 2018 10:22 am EST

This just dawned on me: on the Kovalchuk front, why would a 36-year-old want to return to the NHL and join a rebuilding team? To maybe have a shot at a cup by 39, 40? Which is what I hope he's thinking, too, since I don't want him.

LeoS


Thu Apr 12 2018 10:14 am EST

This Shveknikov character looks damn good, and I'll take Tzachuk too.... Get er done

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 10:03 am EST

NYStranger: Exactly - those opposed to finishing low and drafting high constantly float the names of teams who've failed doing that, conveniently neglecting to mention those that were successful doing so (like all the cup winners over the past 10 years). It's the only surefire method of landing top end talent. It's that simple. Sather tried the trading route (Nash, MSL and Yandle) - came close but no cigar and in the process, stripped the cupboard so bare his successor was left with no choice but to start over.

rf4L


Thu Apr 12 2018 10:00 am EST

Still gotta build a winning team. Not easy to take shortcuts. But easy to have a roster full of mercenaries and more cha cha cha. You know, your favorite phrase!

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:57 am EST

NYSTRANGER -The problem is, you will put with the rebuild (and Me!) but there will likely be no Cup given the chuckleheads in charge....The sad thing is that there shouldn't have to be a rebuild but one is needed (either a quick one or the long drawn out one some of you sadists want:)) becasue of the incompetence of GORDO and Sather before him.,..Anyway, we can all wax poetic on how best to get the Rangers back on track and contending again , but the fact is we are all just hostages to what Gordo Gazoo thinks is the right/best/quickest way to do it..What he wants will all become apparent by mid July..

Hospo


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:55 am EST

the old saying half a loaf is better than none...I'll take 1 Cup at a time rather than none.....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:55 am EST

Luck and astute management, including drafting and developing.

rf4L


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:54 am EST

Incompetence is not the same thing.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:37 am EST

Proper rebuild like Ari, Buff, End, Fla, ??? Need plenty of luck too

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:35 am EST

Stevie that is where we differ as fans. I am willing to put up with anything if it means Cups. I'm am even willing to put up with Hospo! ;-)

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:20 am EST

stevie.........sounds like you would be satisfied with one cup winning season...........I was thinking along the lines of a PITTS / Chi/Det game plan .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:19 am EST

STEVIE: Vegas hasn't won anything yet. Lets see how they fare in the playoffs before we start looking at them as a model franchise. My prediction is that when they match up against the better teams in the league they are going to fall short. I'm not convinced that they can even beat the Kings. Success in the regular season is nice. But it is an entirely different game in the playoffs. Every team is going to bring the same effort and intensity that Vegas played with all year. The whistles go away as well. Lets see how well their smaller players fare against the bigger teams in the west when they get mauled every shift and there are no penalties called.

Vic


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:15 am EST

Here is the sad reality.....after the NFL draft....the Cleveland Browns will be closer to a super bowl than the Rangers are to a Cup

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 9:13 am EST

ANDREI: I totally agree. RF4L and I have been beating that poor horse since NYLANDER was in his last year at the deadline when the Rangers were in 11th place in the conference. The massive sell off should have been done then. If it had been who knows what the Rangers could have done over the last 10 years. At worst they would have won exactly the same number of Cups that they did...ZERO. And if they had gotten those top draft picks who knows if or how many Cups they could have won. It is all in the past and unchangeable now. However, I don't want to repeat the same mistakes of the last 10 years. I'm not satisfied with watching a good team. I WANT CUPS. Nothing else matters. And I don't want one every 30 years. I want multiple Cups every 10 years. The salary cap hampers what you can do with the roster. But it doesn't impact how much money the organization can spend on scouting, player evaluation and player development. The Rangers have the money to outspend everyone else in the league. There should be no reason when this organization isn't the best in talent evaluation and development. Get it done GORTON!!!

Vic


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:54 am EST

sorry I'm not willing to wait for the perfect storm team to get a crybaby, a malkin, and a karlson, with a young hanky..by winning the fixed lottery......this is not fantasy hockey..... pete and repeat....fishboy has to get a coach who can get them into the playoffs next year....if Las Vegas can do it, so can the nyr....by year 2 after experiencing playoff hockey , he should have the pieces for a regular cup contender.....no excuses, if he doesn't the letter he should write is his resignation letter, or be fired.....he's not getting 5 more years in my book....2 years or bye-bye....

stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:27 am EST

mf...............a team that is built to go deep into the POs and possibly win (wasn't that long ago,we had one)...........in my opinion....very good coach, GOOD tandem in goal, solid D with at least 1 Gem if not 2......&....TWO stars up front. So you can see we are a long way away from that !

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:27 am EST

Andrei outlined it

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 8:20 am EST

What is a proper rebuild?

mf


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:31 am EST

I am with Andrei on needing a proper rebuild. Noone wants to hear it or deal with it but a quick retool will result in more of the same 'ol. Same 'ol. Good but not good enough for the big prize. If you are all happy with that type of continuous result so be it. I am not.

NYStranger


Thu Apr 12 2018 7:19 am EST

Andrei/Wild - both of your points have been rolling around in my head ever since the rangers retool response. No doubt you need a few 1-2 game breakers, especially a stud 1C. But there is also no doubt of the possibility that the process to get those guys will poison your org. But for most of those situations, NYI/EDM, I’d lay on the feet of timid (stupid) mgt that refuses to give up a few young assets to get some vets to lead the way. I personally hope those orgs continue to miss the playoffs until their “kids” retire. F’em.

Limbo


Thu Apr 12 2018 6:38 am EST

The guy who hurt this whole team is finally gone with 2 years pay still coming to him. Losing kid k shattin ZBAD mcdoodie among others didn’t help the season and unfortunately it forced fishboy to get rid of guys some of which he had little choice unless the nyr were real contenders, which they weren’t. But this fire the whole team mindset will add years to the rebuild. They need to make the playoffs next season and hopefully be a Cup contender the year after that. And from then on . Otherwise it’s bye bye Fishboy....

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 6:10 am EST

COMark. I would have Pionk as my 6th guy. Decent defender who got better as he played, was playing top minutes and while he had issues, he was playing top minutes as a pure rookie. I think as a 3rd pair guy he would be just fine, and he showed that he could fill in if there was an in game injury taking on bigger minutes without a disastrous outcome. For a 7th you want a guy like Kampfer, he went long stretches without playing and came in and was the same as when he played a bunch more games in a row. Not that he is all that good....but what 7th D in the NHL really is? Don’t want a kid in the stands and you want a guy cheap. Now, I haven’t really looked, and there may be a better option and that may depend on the coach and the system used, but a guy like Kampfer, cheap and unaffected by sitting out long stretches between games.

Wildcard


Thu Apr 12 2018 6:04 am EST

andrei: Thing is a guy who looks to shoot like Kovi and a guy who brings grit and energy like Russel (is that the proper spelling?) are guys that you want around early in a rebuilding process. Their mentality on the ice will rub off on the kids, and they will make that part of their game and it will carry past the 2-3 years those guys are around. Those guys alone don’t get you high in the standings, so you still get good picks, but they do help get or keep the culture of working hard to win going for the team. Once you decide to go for high picks and bring young guys intonthat environment it becomes their M.O. as a pro....to lose for good draft position is ok, it’s a dangerous place to be....just ask the oilers.

Wildcard


Thu Apr 12 2018 5:52 am EST

Rhet he’s her star.....Hospo Fishboy can’t trade away the whole team . He has to evaluate them with his committee. Almost no player was good this season, so fishboy got rid of the common denominator, the coaches. Many deserve a chance with the new coach to show if they should stay or go.

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:33 am EST

Trade... You know you're not supposed to post late at night when you've had one too many... What will Mrs. Trade say?

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:23 am EST

tradestar28, not exactly. I want a proper rebuild. That's means getting highest possible draft picks for few seasons to get the generational talent that will propel us to win 2-3 cups in the next 10 years. In today's NHL, you need 2 corner stones. True superstar center-man and a superstar d-man is an ultimate goal. That's what you need. Pitt's has two supers in Malkin and Crosby. That's how LA won two cups, that's how Chicago was build. That's what we need. Talent like that is only available when you draft high. This is not a roster that needs Kovi or Russel to help winning the cup.

andrei


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:12 am EST

Ladies & Gents....thank you very much.....I will be here all week.....Goodnight!

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:11 am EST

....and Colorado Mark.....who was hitting that dank colorado vape tonight.......going "schluffy" (as MF would say) right on the keyboard

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:09 am EST

andrei.....from the sound of it....you want the rangers to both 1) be boring and 2) suck. And for many years until we are all suffering from dementia and at that time we wouldn't even remember how to "NOT crap in our pants

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 1:06 am EST

Hospo is like the Dukes of Hazzard episode when we find out that Boss Hogg has an identical twin brother, named Abraham Lincoln Hogg......who wears the black suit and is 100% honest

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:58 am EST

For the record, i want no major UFA signings. No Kovi, no Nash, no Russel, no stupid trades for pending UFA's like Karlsson. Some minor signings and some nice trades for a younger players during the draft. I want Zuc to be traded and hopefully with the prospect of looking at another bad season, Hankie will reconsider and will either ask for a trade or retire. I want this disaster roster back with the new coach and i want the new coaching staff identify who are the foundation pieces to move forward with. Skjei and Buchnevich hit the 2nd year wall. It happens. Question remains if they are the foundation that we can build. the team around. Same applies to Krider, Ziba, Vesey and Hayes. We need to find out if they are keepers or not, and if they are not, then we have much deeper hole to clime from, and that a full rebuild is needed. I want this core, along with the upcoming kids to get as much of the ice time as possible. I don't want Kovi to take PP time from Vesey and Buch. Russel to take time from Pionk, Gilmore and Tony D.

andrei


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:51 am EST

Andrei- If you read my post you would see that I used the word "current"..By that, I meant that for awhile they were focusing on size and nastiness, with mot enough skill, and always playing mean but undisciplined and stupid.and failing.They shifted gears the last few years and started taking and aquiring skill with size and ability tp play both ways ..That's what the Rangers need to od

Hospo


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:38 am EST

Dammmmnnn......Hospo dishes out the truth serum tonight.....hardcore style.......It's funny because I used to be like a Kitchen1 type Rangers fan.....optimistic as fuck......but Hospo drilled us all last summer after the Stepan trade on how the Rangers were weak down the middle and that gives them no chance........Dead on......Teams are built from the middle/center and out......(as a few have brought up here)........Hospo throwing shade on Shatty and Z now......hide the women and children and Ranger fans............On another note.....funny how Rangers Dude swooped down from the tree and tried to give GG a taste of his own medicine.......but GG is no rookie message board guy......Bro...u are like a fuckin message board assassin.......U just take out your spoken tongue sling shot and drop the passive aggressive retaliation against your foes......lol Ranger dude gonna fall outta the tree and hurt himself.......

tradestar28


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:30 am EST

Hospo, interesting that you mentioned Winnipeg as a blue print for the team you want Rangers to be. How many years did it take them to assemble this team? Let's forget that Patrik Laine was a 2nd overall pick. It took them 10 years to put this team together without much of the playoffs success. So either you do a proper rebuild, which mean paint-full years of bad hockey, while you accumulate picks and prospects or you do a half fast "retool". If you do a proper rebuild , then you can take a your time putting a roster that will include many lottery picks, and a few franchise pieces. In this case, don't expect good hockey for at least 2-3 years and even then for a few more seasons team will be up and down. However, with a good scouting team and a good management team, you can put together a contender that could win multiple cups. If you want a faster turn round, then a face lift is what you will get. Your core won't change much, but you will get couple nice pieces. team will suck for a two, possibly three seasons and with lucky drafting, you might end up with the good team. In this case, the foundation that you have is what you will have for many years to come. Not sure what you expect the Rangers to do, but you will not get a complete roster overhaul without a full rebuild, and you wont get a franchise type players without getting lucky while drafting and, even, if you do get lucky, it will take years for them to be good, while everyone would have to be patient with them. Kids are not consistent. Kids take years to develop and they make ton of mistakes.

andrei


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:18 am EST

Holy rambling idiot, Batman. I think I had a point when I started but literally fell asleep while writing. Ugh. Sorry!

ColoradoMark


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:16 am EST

HOSPO- Yeah, I watched Vegas and love the way they play. That Carrier guy was the kind of guy I want on the Rangers. He hit hard and heavy. I’m giving Gorton the benefit of the doubt. This season went off the rails when Kreider went down. The Rangers showed they could play with any team in the league at times this season. So I don’t fault Gorton for trying to ice a competitive team. SMITH was a disaster, obviously. But I thought he would be like the guy we saw in the playoffs. Shatt’s injury and McD’s malaise coupled with Skjei’s regression and AV’s stubborn coaching decisions blew the season up. But if Kreider didn’t go down when he did, we would probably be in the playoffs. I agree with you on our defense. Staal was the only guy I think played consistently and he’s a bit of a dinosaur. I’m hoping a healthy Shattenkirk is more like the offensive dynamo he was for a short period early in the season. If Skjei can bounce back, and Smith shows some pride and comes to camp ready to fight for his NHL life, we don’t have to play any of the kids we saw end the season. I’m not sure who the last two D-men would be, but hopefully some snarl. I’m against buying out Staal because we have enough dead cal space already and he was fine this year. I don’t think he has trade value and Smith isn’t worth anything unless he turns around his career. Deangelo, Sproul, O’Gara, Gilmour or Kampfer should not be in the picture. I’d take Pionk as a 6-7 guy who can jump up in case of injuries. The other thing we have to worry about is if our guys are as terrible as you (and others) think, they will gave no value. So who will trade for them?

ColoradoMark


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:12 am EST

RFA Compensation continued: ...A team may not have two different players sign offer sheets at the same time if the value of the offered contracts would involve any of the same draft picks as compensation. For example, if a restricted free agent accepts a contract with a yearly salary of at least $8,410,977, the team can only offer to other restricted free agents contracts less than $3,364,392 per year, since those would not require any first round pick as compensation... In addition, if a team does not have a pick in the next upcoming draft available for compensation, they may not make a contract offer in the certain range where that pick is needed for compensation... Teams may not use draft picks acquired in trades with other teams, but extra acquired draft picks can influence a team's decision to submit an offer sheet.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 12 2018 12:05 am EST

MF... What's the deal-y-o with RFA's? It's really not worth the time. You have to greatly overpay them to get the other team not to match(hopefully). For example, do what the Flyers did with Weber to hope that the Predators wouldn't match(which didn't work out too well). You're better off trading for a RFA... As a refresher: The following is the compensation for signing RFA players at a particular dollar amount: ....$1,295,571 and below... No compensation ...$1,295,572 to $1,962,986... Third-round pick ...$1,962,987 to $3,925,975... Second-round pick ...$3,925,976 to $5,888,960... First- and third-round pick ...$5,888,961 to $7,851,948... First-, second and third-round pick ...$7,851,949 to $9,814,935... Two firsts, a 2nd & a 3rd round pick ...$9,814,936 and above... Four first-round picks

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:18 pm EST

COL MARK - I was watching the Winnipeg - Minnesota game tonight...real fun to watch...ANd I think the current Winnipeg team is the type of team you want to model after..Big, fast, strong players with skill but arent afraid to get dirty both up front and on the blue line..Having both a flat out stud like Laine and a Terminator on defense like Buff..The soft mini me defense that we saw the last few moonths has to go especially.......Maybe the Rangers are heading that way in the 2-3 year future with HAJAK, LINDGREN, HOWDEN...but the short term future looks the opposite with recent aquisitions like the invisible Namestniko, and Spooner to go with the type of players we already have...Hopefully, Gordo is a man of his words and bring in the toughness and determination that he mentioned was missing the other day..Yes, I'm pessimistic but hopeful it can hapen

Hospo


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:11 pm EST

RangerDoolittle! A fuckin' sighting! You are one prolific posting motherfucker, you know that? Still 3 total hockey posts in about 4 months, and 1,000 cheapshots only at me. STFU & Go back in your hole with Hey Yorkie, Kis, and the rest of your imaginary friends and be happy I haven't focused on you.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:08 pm EST

Nick/GG - Hey, I just go by what I see...and like to cut my losses on players (i.e., SHATT and ZBAD) that are being counted on big time but are one dimensional and hav e seriosu issues in ther arts of their game....COL MARK _ Honestly, I think GORDO has done a piss poor job of roster builiding and why I find few players in the line-up that I like and like watching----Kreider, Skjei, Fast ( a player i used to give Grief to but really aimed at AV).and I think Hayes (who I hated) has really improved..That's about it for the vets for me,,Hopefully Chytl and ANdersson can be added to tht list..This team, right now, is in terrible, terrible shape...

Hospo


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:59 pm EST

If the current NHL coaches, Gerard Gallant is the coach I’d want (knowing he’s not available) and I’d take Laviollette, Quenville, Boudreau, Trotz, And I’d be interested in learning more about Bill Peters because I think his junior career was excellent. A guy who is not a head coach, but I think he’d be excellent, is Don Granato.

ColoradoMark


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:53 pm EST

100 2018 RFA's: https://capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2019/caphit/all/all/rfa

mf


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:48 pm EST

Roussell is my number one target this off-season if I’m trying to bring some passion, leadership and toughness in. I always pick him up on my fantasy teams and he reminds me of a Lapperierre type guy.

ColoradoMark


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:46 pm EST

HOSPO- obviously you have little respect for Z, Shatt, etc. It sounds like you like Kreider and you’re warming up to Hayes, but who else on the team do you like? And who on other teams would you like to see on the Rangers? Since you don’t like the idea of the Euro coaches, who do you think we should hire? I’m not trying to flame you, and I know you’re definitely in the pessimist zone (understandably) but I’d like to know what kind of moves you’d support (other than firing Gorton, which I don’t think will happen). Just curious

ColoradoMark


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:43 pm EST

Count me completely In on Roussel - watch him all the time here in DFW. Brings energy, speed, deceptive smarts, occasional scoring touch & rarely takes a night off. Oh yeah, he brings the occasional crazy too. All said, at the right price, he’s a guy we need

newman


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:34 pm EST

I gotta give Shat and Z more time here. As with all deals, it’s what you can get back. Anyway it sucks watching the POs without the gut-wrenching torture of Ranger games. I swear I’m still pissed to this day about those two blown Ottawa games a year ago ...

Nick


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:31 pm EST

sal. dude. zero in and pound away unfairly? wtf man-that is exactly YOU with hank. your a piece of work sometimes. lmao

Ranger Dude


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:07 pm EST

Hospo you can say whatever you want, as can I or anyone, and as you like to point out all our opinions total equal zero. But man you zero in on guys and pound away unfairly imo. When Shatt had a solid partner and was healthy - which was never, excepting a few nights McD didn't have his head up his ass, or Skjei for that matter, and the guy could still skate, he wasn't near the horror defensively you paint him as exclusively. Sheesh. Hes fine on a 2nd oair next year. And Z, you willfully ignore the guy had a concussion, not his first. Either you know nothing about head injuries or do it on purpose. I don't get it. This guy was on FIRE when healthy. Again, just cause a guy passes his baseline doesn't mean he's good to go. Totally you're right to not like him or whatever, but you make it like he's dogshit.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:58 pm EST

Rangers played very few games as a full healthy squad. When they did & Lundqvist wasn't fried they beat every top team in the league. Had they gotten some help from their own front office, had they resolved their internal b.s., and had they rested or rotated goalies properly. No telling what would be happened in the playoffs with that team. Sure, the version that was half ahl/retread would have been wiped out.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:57 pm EST

NICK - Back at ya Man..I dont give ZBAD away but I'd easily trade him...Inconsistent effort and production, lazy and incompetent defensively (possibly the worst and most disinterested on the team)...and lives off the power play ....Hopefully gone by the time the Rangers are ready to contend again.......As for SHatt, i never used to pay attention to him..until I watched him when he came to Washington..and then for the Rangers..Has some skill offensvely but horrific is putting it mildly for his defense...Personally, I think it would be foolish to keep either one if you wanted to change the atttitude, mind set and make up of the team..but that's just me.....As for BUCH, I would give him another shot but this guy needs to start taking the entire game and his training much more seriously if he ever wants to be the top player his skill warrants..

Hospo


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:34 pm EST

Just imagine the 1st round match up against Boston..I rather not.

DOUBLEN


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:31 pm EST

NYStr: Oh I don't disagree at all.

rF4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:30 pm EST

Love ya Hospo but come on man! Z would have scored 30 goals in a full year! You gonna deal him because ... why again? He plays ‘the perimeter’? 30 is 30 no matter. Don’t hold it against him that he’s a 2 playing as a 1. That’s the GM’s job to get the No. 1. S-Kirk was hurt and will get you 50 points from the D plus run the power play. Yeah his D is average at best but that’s why you skate 18 guys. Buch I’m agnostic about until he either becomes a scorer or fails at it.

Nick


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:21 pm EST

RF hate to say that would have been us had the Rangers squeeked into the POs.

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:19 pm EST

Oh man...Pens school the Flyers tonight to the point of embarrassment (of course it helps none when your goalie is incapable of making a really timely and important save). How will the Flyers respond will be interesting to see...

rF4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:16 pm EST

More Yankees fought in that one brawl than the Rangers did all season! I kid, I kid

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:15 pm EST

Gg because when AV says something it is just talking head lip service BS. And you know he really means the opposite.

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:58 pm EST

At least the Yankess stand up for themselves!..maybe with a new coach the Rangers might some day!!

Hospo


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:54 pm EST

STEVIE - If BUCH, SHATT and ZBAD are some of the least likely Rangers to be dealt, this team is up shit's creek without a paddle..Shatt was a disaster and he should just play and keep his mouth shut..ZBAD and BUCH just disappeared far too often,especially over the last 7 games when the team should have been playing for pride..They will never win with any of them

Hospo


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:44 pm EST

I want philty and shitsburgh to go 7 and hurt each other.... viva Las Vegas win 16 !

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 11 2018 7:34 pm EST

Funny enough, I remember AV saying that at a press conference and wondering, then why?

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 6:54 pm EST

There is an old adage or quote that says if you are not cheeting a little you are not playing hard enough. I would never want to go back to the Scott Stevens head hunter hits for sure. Not saying that at all. But a team needs to constantly push the envelope each and every shift, every game to find what line the refs will call a penalty and play hard right up to it. Unfortunately it changes very game. But the Rangers for years now had no interest in looking for that line. Most penalties had that 'what'd I do?' look. The lack of making it hard and miserable for opponents to play against them was ...well, fill in the blank. Too many possible adjectives!

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 6:48 pm EST

I see Philthy really showed up for this series! Sheesh. Looks good on 'em. Too bad it is the Pitts that benefits

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 5:47 pm EST

Agreed there is a fine line between aggressiveness and over the top bullying/nastiness. Finding that balance is the key. For sure, the Rangers general lack of physicality under AV was troublesome and by that I'm referring 2 things: 1) Initiating physical play but trying to do so under the rules - finishing checks for example and/or trying to keep the crease clear 2) Responding to acts of intimidation. It's the latter that I found to be the most frustrating and we've dialogued on here numerous times about numerous examples so everyone knows what this one is all about. IMO, Tortorella found that balance, at least for a while, and Prust was his primary go-to guy for that.

rF4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 5:38 pm EST

Guess captain mcdoodie parmenter was too busy being mini-veenyo and brown nosing him . Sounds like an indirect hit by Captain Kirk.

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 11 2018 5:02 pm EST

"Kevin Shattenkirk produced the most noteworthy take on the season, suggesting the room had lacked veteran voices demanding accountability while admitting that his early-season issues regretfully had prevented him from assuming that leadership role. Shattenkirk, who was out of the room for good after the Jan. 18 match that preceded knee surgery, is one of the Rangers who is least likely to be traded this summer. Make a list and it is: 1. Henrik Lundqvist; 2. Filip Chytil; 3. Chris Kreider; 4. Lias Andersson; 5. Brady Skjei; 6. Pavel Buchnevich; 7. Shattenkirk; 8. Mika Zibanejad; 9. Kevin Hayes.".........https://nypost.com/2018/04/11/rangers-need-a-stud-or-two-or-quick-turnaround-wont-happen/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Wed Apr 11 2018 4:34 pm EST

I'd be remiss if I didn't acknowledge my own hypocrisy. I go on & on (about everything but especially) about getting tougher, nastier more physical, I sure want my Rangers inflicting punishment. I'd prefer it within the rules but still. So that's what they're faced with, everybody's a hypocrite in this deal unless you want non-contact hockey. But they should at least do away with all the immovable glass if they haven't already (that's what got Nash) and go back to 70s style protection.bthose are direct causes. Behavior is tougher to modify.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 3:50 pm EST

I get that with pending litigation, it would be dumb for Bettman to acknowledge the link between head injuries and CTE. The NFL did the same until they arrived at their settlement. Only then did they acknowledge it and participate in helping to prevent them. It is clear that all the NHL owners care about is $. The NHLPA will get hosed again after the next lockout. They are also complicit in this head injury and suspension stuff. The chickens will come home to roost at some point.

Bob


Wed Apr 11 2018 3:48 pm EST

It's a grey area. Players accept the risks. They know the risks and sign contracts to play anyway. To turn around and sue owners is a difficult argument to win in court as well.i dont know the details of the cba in this regard but id guess its minimized to the maximum. It's a huge grey area medically, and really no cure.sometimes there are no perfect answers, there's just what there is. Now where the league should lose their balls is sanctioning equipment that seriously increases injuries. Leather shoulder pads with plastic caps and leather elbow guards are frickin Kevlar or rock hard plastic, big contributor and nobody wants to kill that golden goose.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 3:39 pm EST

Don't forget that disciplinary actions (suspensions and fines) are all negotiated in the CBA meaning the NHLPA is as guilty as Buttman and company from that perspective, which when you think about is truly an oxymoron: A lot of the noise about CTE and concussions and the NHL's involvement is coming from (from what I can discern) ex-NHLers. Most, if not all, of those guys played in the NHL under one or more CBAs. I get directing the venom at Buttman and management but some also should be directed at the NHLPA and considerably increased penalties for nasty behaviour (not just headshots of course) should be part of the next CBA. Why the players are so silent on this piece of the game is beyond me - it's cannibalistic IMO.

rf4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 3:21 pm EST

It took me too long to realize probably, but this is why suspensions are so lame. Any acknowledgement by the league that violence contributes to head injuries means liability, and their's is massive, just like the NFL, two leagues sanctioning violence. I'm sure not defending Bettman but whoever sits in those jobs will be forced to say the same things, because commissioners work for owners, period. And those owners can't get insurance for their product damaging or wrecking people's lives. I really don't know the answer, and wonder if anybody does. Nobody wants to see the game go away, and it's woosified as much as can be - as is football. But the game would go away just as quick if owners were sued for every penny they have. So they're left to deny. And the players that suffer can't get help - not that there is much medically to help - because no $ is being put toward it.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 2:55 pm EST

Buttman the political dodger. What a slimeball. I sure hope he's still around when the hammer hits the NHL for their role in the concussion syndrome. Bet that's the last time he grants an interview with those 2 - he refuses to interview any media folks who repeatedly ask him uncomfortable questions. He's another freakin' coward - the NHL has lots of that type of people it seems.

rf4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 2:27 pm EST

The Boston Globe suggests that the Rangers might be a match for Ottawa when it comes to a possible Erik Karlsson trade. (Boston Globe) They note that Ottawa only has one pick in the first three rounds this year while the Rangers have three in the first, two in the second and two in the third. (Boston Globe) They note that Karlsson would fill the slot of a top-pair right shot defenseman, ahead of Kevin Shattenkirk, and that he could be an example for Lias Andersson to follow. (Boston Globe) Karlsson is also good friends with Henrik Lundqvist and the two have played together internationally for Sweden. Earlier this week on Sportsnet Radio, Elliotte Friedman said that depending on which route they take, the Rangers could possibly get involved with Karlsson. (FanRag) Senators GM Pierre Dorion said yesterday that he wasn't going to trade Karlsson at the draft and that an offer will be made to him on July 1. Bob McKenzie said earlier this week on the radio that the Rangers would likely look at Karlsson if he became available.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 2:14 pm EST

NHL commissioner Gary Bettman battles WFAN hosts on concussions BY EVAN GROSSMAN NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Wednesday, April 11, 2018, 2:38 PM Give them credit. Maggie Gray and Chris Carlin did not let NHL commissioner Gary Bettman off the hook. During one of those psyched-for-the-playoffs appearances on the WFAN afternoon show Tuesday, Gray and Carlin grilled a clearly agitated Bettman on the NHL's reluctance to even entertain the idea there may be a link between hockey and head injuries. "All I can tell you is what the medical community says," Bettman said. "The last International Conference on Concussion in Sport, which I believe was held in 2016 in Berlin, issued a consensus statement by the experts who were attending, and that statement says that there's yet to be a proven link between the two. What I say is completely irrelevant because I'm not a doctor or a scientist." Two years ago, Bettman flat-out denied a connection between hockey and CTE. "The science regarding CTE, including on the asserted 'link' to concussions that you reference, remains nascent, particularly with respect to what causes CTE and whether it can be diagnosed by specific clinical symptoms," Bettman said at the time. "A causal link between concussions and CTE has not been demonstrated" and "the relationship between concussion and the asserted clinical symptoms of CTE remains unknown." A pugnacious Gray and Carlin hammered Bettman with a series of questions the commissioner was clearly not happy with. Gone are the days of those chummy interviews with Mike and the Mad Dog. Gray turned the conversation toward concussions and Bettman was clearly not excited to answer those questions. The NHL did not participate in a recent HBO Real Sports investigation that painted the league in a poor light when it comes to its concussion protocols and how much it acknowledges the dangers of the game. Gray and Carlin called Bettman out on the carpet. Bart Scott sat in silence for the duration of the interview, while Gray pounded Bettman with four straight questions at one point — while Carlin could be heard inhaling and getting ready, unsuccessfully, to ask a question of his own in the middle of her barrage. Gray first hit Bettman with a general question to update them on the status of the lawsuit with former players alleging the NHL's role in their deteriorating health. "We believe the lawsuit is without merit," Bettman said. Then came one about Ken Dryden's crusade to take head hits out of the game. "I'm not going to get in a public debate, particularly because we are in litigation," Bettman said. "I understand that Ken has some very strong opinions on the subject, but there are lots of people who have opinions to the contrary." Gary Bettman repeatedly denied that the NHL has a concussion issue. Gary Bettman repeatedly denied that the NHL has a concussion issue. Gray then asked about Eric Lindros's assertion the NHL ignored his request for each team to pledge $1 million to concussion research. "I mean, it's easy for lots of people to have lots of opinions, but there are no shortage of opinions," Bettman said. And finally, Gray asked if the NHL funds any concussion research at the moment. "The NHL spends lots of time, money and effort doing a whole host of things with respect to player safety," Bettman said. Carlin called out Bettman on the NHL's public perception and the notion that it seems like the league doesn't want to make an honest effort of curbing head injuries. "I really respectfully disagree with your characterization of the public perception," Bettman said. "And if that's your perception, I think it's off the mark." Bettman was also dismissive of the Boston University study that found 110 of 111 brains of former NFL players were diagnosed with CTE. "Boston, they will tell you that as it relates to hockey, they don't have enough evidence to reach any conclusions, and they have told me that directly," Bettman said.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 1:31 pm EST

RF4L... Yes, the had their choice of any of their next five Entry Drafts which 1st Rounder to surrender AND the Devils were also allowed to swap draft position once in one of those other drafts (excluding the year that they were getting the extra pick). That was just for an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 1:24 pm EST

Rhet: Didn't they lose a first round pick, too?

rf4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 1:02 pm EST

MF... In regards to Tampering, it depends on the severity. It's usually a fine, but I would also imagine it could also be pick(s). The Blues were fined $1.5 Mil for tampering with Scott Stevens in 1994. I don't remember too many other circumstances aside from teams talking about another teams player(which in most cases is usually a sap on the wrist) before UFA.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 12:56 pm EST

Also some real big $ types, maybe wwith some injury problems. Some of these guys we pick up are liable to look like half eaten sandwiches at first. That's part of it, try to get a bit lucky.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 12:51 pm EST

MF if you want some homework, compile all the rfas at right defense and among skill wings.You probably find a future ranger in there somewhere.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 12:43 pm EST

RF4L... You don't get much more scientific than Buster! I usually don't watch much NHL after the NYR's are done, but I too will be rooting four our picks.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 12:08 pm EST

Rhet: FWIW once the Leafs are ousted I'm not watching much. But man oh man, nice triple reward if the Leafs bounce Boston. 1)The Leafs move on 2)Boston is eliminated and 3) The Rangers' Boston picks move up several spots. I view that series as 50/50. That said, on paper I think the Leafs are superior so if they play to their potential, they'll win.

rf4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:43 am EST

I read Avery's book (borrowed from the library as I would not pay for it) and let's just say he thinks very highly of himself.

DOUBLEN


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:16 am EST

RF- I have to very strongly disagree with you on Avery. Of all the hockey players I’ve met over the years, I have to say he was one of the nicest and gracious guys I’ve ever met. His answered were throughtful I got the impression that he did what he did because he thought it helped the team. And I know for a fact some of the injuries and things he played through to help this team and believe me when I say almost anybody else would have shut it down. He never complained and you never heard about any of that stuff in the media but he was one tough sob for a really really small guy. Again, he never came close to doing anything that jeopardized anybody’s career, all he did was screw with everyone’s head and he was better at it than anybody I’ve ever seen. And god dammit it was fun watching that team with him on it. Like somebody said, he made sure EVERYBODY was in their toes. I personally have a tremendous amount of respect for the guy. It’s too bad that the nhl SYSTEMATICALLY Hot rid of guys like him (and Todd Harvey and Ryan Holweg) but retained dirtbags that intent to injure like Cook and Marchand. You know it’s all because Buttfuckman just never got over being made fun of as a child! Didn’t one of them bring a suit against the nhl for colluding to get rid of certain players in the league (based on those Colin Campbell emails to the refs/gms)??

_Arc


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:15 am EST

Sorry, I meant the Sharks vs. the Caps. Caps win. No reason to watch the playoffs now.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 11:13 am EST

If Buster is correct, it will be the Caps vs. the Bruins in the Stanley Cup Finals..... per USA TODAY Sports ‏ Verified account @usatodaysports .... Buster, a 6-year-old dog, selected his own NHL playoff bracket and is a big fan of the underdog picks ????

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:52 am EST

Boyle needs to get over the fans... NY Fans call it like they see it in a nanosecond... NY Fans are also at the extremes of either side of the spectrum. I would think that Boyle would have learned that by now... When Boyle's illness was announced the support of NY fans were right there with him....

mf


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:48 am EST

TRADE: Chris Stewart who I’ve always had a crush on is out there. Devante Smith Pelly was a name that I liked. Rinaldo maybe as well. But I still like guys who can play and bang. You sign Chris Stewart and SPelly and the New York Rangers look like a much less enjoyable team to watch. I’m sure there are plenty of screwball guys available on the UFA list but those were the guys who popped out to me right away.

E


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:48 am EST

NYStranger: you mean this episode? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prk2Lojjmbw

mf


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:47 am EST

Boyle was not staying because, like Callahan, his role was diminished under AV. He wanted to be more than a 4th liner and that was all he was going to be if he stayed. His wife is from Tampa, which added to it and he was recruited by Tax Free.

Bob


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:44 am EST

Anyone care to chime in on what the penalty is for "tampering" with another teams RFA's? There are quite a few RFA's that would really help solidify the roster.... Maybe we could trade one of our RFA's for another, OR, try to engage in a mutual sign & trade.....

mf


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:44 am EST

..who were a disgrace. ..

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:44 am EST

Disgrace? Don't think so. You know who where a disgrace? All the players who were on the ice when Gaborik received that beat down against Philthy. Maybe all the guys on the bench as well for zero response.

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:36 am EST

Roussel: no youngster... coming off a $2mill salary.... ... do we have a roster spot for him ? ....http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/6884

mf


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:35 am EST

In regard to Brian Boyle: Apparently, he's not a big fan of NYR fans. He still harbors ill will from when he was booed here.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:32 am EST

Trade: I think Roussel is worth a serious look.

E


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:11 am EST

rf4L......Avery was NOT the latter. JMHO.

kitchen1


Wed Apr 11 2018 10:07 am EST

NYS - completely agree. Plus, how can a 5'9"-5'10" guy ever be characterized as a bully in the NHL? D!ckhead, most definitely. Bully not so much. Who's he picking on Theo Fleury?

limbo


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:59 am EST

Yeah but NYStranger, I never remember Prust doing anything near as egregious as a Ranger. It surprised the hell out of me. Thats what made what he did in NY special, it was real old time hockey, he just hit & fought everyone in sight. For my money, had he done it to Crosby even, no one deserves that, itd be F'd up. Prust sayin!

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:46 am EST

Fatso wouldn't shake hands. Loved it.

PJ


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:46 am EST

Fatso wouldn't shake hands. Loved it.

PJ


Wed Apr 11 2018 9:30 am EST

But not the Prust who broke Stepan's jaw,right? Seems too easy to pick your spots. I maintain it all depends on who's team these type of players are on. If Prust, while on the Rangers broke Crosby 's jaw on the way to a Cup win I doubt us Rangers Fans who be lamenting or complaining about what a dirt bag Prust is. Sorry this argument doesn't fly for me.

NYStranger


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:46 am EST

NYStranger: Disagree on Avery, too. Another embarrassment who soiled the Ranger jersey. There is toughness and there is stupidity/bullying/cowardice. I want the former and no part of the latter. Brandon Prust is the type of toughness I want; Sean Avery and Brad Marchand are punk-asses who should be disciplined right out of the league.

rf4L


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:43 am EST

CoMark: Don't get me started on Nob for Life's decision to ignore Stralman and chase Dan over the hill Boyle. One of several dehabilitating decisions that ended up putting the Rangers where they are now...

rf4L


Wed Apr 11 2018 8:28 am EST

E- I thought it was STRALMAN that wanted to stay. BOYLE wanted a larger role and more money. Rangers said if they had him back he'd be 4th line center and role-player. Don't get me wrong, I think losing Stralman and Boyle were the first pieces in the Jenga tower to be pulled. But Stralman was insulted that the Rangers didn't even talk to him (instead signing for the over-hyped other Boyle) and Brian Boyle was looking to become a 2nd or 3rd line center.

ColoradoMark


Wed Apr 11 2018 7:41 am EST

Aivis Kalni?š ‏ @A_Kalnins ...... Per Sport-express New York Islanders are set to sign SKA goalie Mikko Koskinen on July 1st

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 11 2018 6:55 am EST

Absolutely wonderful tribute to the Humboldt tragedy from Tom Cochrane - my boys have been putting sticks on the porch the last fews night; the whole thing brings tears to my eyes: https://www.tsn.ca/video/tom-cochrane-performs-in-tribute-to-humboldt-broncos~1352123

rF4l


Wed Apr 11 2018 4:52 am EST

Trade and the habnots fans still hate kid k for hurting price... the nyr had their chance against la and blew it , which changed the next 4 years , never figuring out the answers.....On to the next chapter ....now it’s all on fishboy....

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 11 2018 12:43 am EST

Jess Rubenstein ‏ @TheProspectpark .... Jess Rubenstein Retweeted The WHL Captain My Captain Howdy Brett Howden with the OT game winning goal. Quietly Howden is 5-5-10 in the playoffs. And yes he turns pro for next season .... https://twitter.com/TheWHL/status/983916700176236544

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:13 pm EST

A lot, Trade. My whole life it seems. When they take it out of bounds like that, you have no choice but to launch a full retaliatory response and fuck everything. Maybe not in a game 7 but any other time there's a lot more than that one game in the line; it's your self respect and esteem & confidence you can't be successful without. Like the song says, end up like a dog that's been beat too much, till you spend half your life just covering up.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:11 pm EST

another one that burns my ass (like backing into a midget who is smoking a cigar).....is the Donald Brashear hit on Blair Betts in the playoffs....not a fuckin penalty called......that was the turning point of the series.....and to add insult to injury......Sather runs out and signs the fuckin bum Brashear as if Rangers fans haven't been ridiculed enuff ......BTW, who came to Betts defense after been cheapshotted? #27.......the original #27 gangsta who had a pair of balls sewed into his hockey shorts........Paul Mara

tradestar28


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:05 pm EST

GG.....what makes me even more mad about the Prust hit on Stepan? is the fact that the goddamn refs didnt even call a penalty on the fuckin play.....how many Rangers have been not only blatantly hurt but not even receive a power play ?

tradestar28


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:59 pm EST

Huge gap between going high & hard, maybe a little too high, a little too hard or too late, whatever - and the complete disregard for human life, guys careers and respect for the game itself guys like Cooke, Burrows and Marchand engage in. Even the one off attack like McSorley on Brashear i think it was, or Moores brother. Thats madness. That's one of the big differences in the game today - and you guys get hurt bad. Guys like Cooke intentionally stomping Karssons achilles would've gotten killed years ago, deservedly so. It's intent to injure, criminal really, totally deserving of Nick Fotiou hunting you into your lockerrom. If you allow that it brings top level talent down, and that's what makes the game special. The other day I brought up how great Prust was for us for a few years, and he really was. But that gutless sneak attack on Stepan in the playoffs that broke his jaw? Not an ounce of respect for that guy anymore. And of course we didn't retaliate!!

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:56 pm EST

NYStranger.....what about Antoine Roussel? He is an asshole on UFA........He is as consistent AF too........Plays 80 games a year.....scores around 27-29 pts (12 goals) a year.......except last year he only scored a nickel.....

tradestar28


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:35 pm EST

RF I agree with you in principle but I think Rangers fans want toughness on one hand but seem to simultaneously revile anyone that plays with an edge or sometimes takes it over the line. Avery was a dirt bag but his antics kept everyone on his team alert and engaged. He stired the pot so much that he got both teams frothing at the mouth. No Ranger could take the night off when Avery was playing. We need this kind of player, who can take a regular shift, on the ice every game. Keeps the vanilla 'prancers' honest.

NYStranger


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:29 pm EST

BTW, what is up with Rangers vets playing with injuries they probably should not be playing on? Guess it takes a life threatening blood clot for the training staff to take it seriously? What a joke. First Captain McWalkingDead hasn't been able to take a slap shot for years because he doesn’t think he needs shoulder surgery then Shittenkirk plays most of the season on a bum knee, then HankyStank reveals he actually did have a lingering knee injury from that Worlds Finals celebration, but No, it didn't effect his playing! Really? Then you must be admitting that you are just over the hill and suck, right? What a disaster this group has become. AV really had no control. WAFJ

NYStranger


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:28 pm EST

Hospo: Not me. He's a bully and a coward - could NEVER cheer for someone like that. Ever.

rF4l


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:22 pm EST

If George was still alive Boone would be fired right about now! Man, I want to believe that he is a good guy and it will work out but so far not looking good at all. Sheesh! Anyway back to our regular scheduled programming...

NYStranger


Tue Apr 10 2018 9:01 pm EST

RF4L - I'd trade any single Ranger..maybe two..for MARCHAND in a spit second..Yeah,he's an asshole..but the Rangers need assholes!

Hospo


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:39 pm EST

Does AV coach the NY Yanks too? Jeezuz H. Christ!!

tradestar28


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:27 pm EST

Phuck Marchand. He's a disgrace and an embarrassment and shouldn't be in the game. I don't want him soiling a Ranger jersey. Ever.

rF4l


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:48 pm EST

I don't want a Marchand, ever. Not my idea of tough. We're supposed to figure a way to beat guys like Marchand. And I mean PUNISH the vermin, and stick up for ourselves in the process. I want that McCarty type. Doesn't have to be huge but a thick fireplug, fearless and on alert all times. Basically a young Luca Brasi on skates ha, who can play a little. I'd pay a whole lot for a player like that.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:04 pm EST

You can’t have a team full of plumbers nor a team full of ‘prancers’ as Hospo might put it. I’m not gonna tip a guy who pots 25 but doesn’t have a physical game. Sure we’d all like a Brad Marchand but we don’t have any. Get some guys who can skate and finish, and some D who play the position, cover the slot AND make that first pass. And some guys who punish the opposition also but not dumb shit like scrums after play is dead.

Nick


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:15 pm EST

mf...I agree Last year in the Montreal series he wa a force

rangerlou


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:09 pm EST

R_Lou, it would be nice if Brendan Smith comes to camp in the best condition of his life, Both physical and mental..

mf


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:03 pm EST

We need a NY RANGERS team that stick up for each other and can clear our crease with force.Also a team that will not take any SHIT fro anyone

rangerlou


Tue Apr 10 2018 5:27 pm EST

Passionless hockey is boring ....

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:54 pm EST

Don't know Stevie, we'll have to see. I did hear when Gorton conducted exit interview with Kreider he called AV a bitch in 5 languages.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:53 pm EST

MF: I was always annoyed that they didn’t re-up Boyle. He wanted to stay. His value on defensive zone draws was great. And he became a better player every season. When he came into the leave his skating was garbage but watch a Devils game and see how he skates now. He’s never going to be Nick Lidstrom but he is not choppy, has a good first step, good cross overs. And he was a vocal leader in the Locke room. But AV didn’t like him for some reason.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:43 pm EST

Prust, Boyle, also miserable to play against

mf


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:29 pm EST

PJ: but Avery could play and Dorset was inspirational as a fan fav.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:08 pm EST

gggg/e....the new sheriff will probably get the emotions back, and play the hot goalie rotation...

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:59 pm EST

Stevie when every game is 6-2, or starts 2-0 everyone's gonna say the kids suck. They start thinking it's them. Changing what they do, no confidence. It's dangerous. My final hope after aGortonsll of flowery words (which are a big difference to how he sounded at the deadline) is they'll let the new coach play the bad guy & shackle his ass to the bench when he doesn't deserve to play.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:58 pm EST

Good words from Hank...Can't be easy for him missing the playoffs....Hopefully motivation for next season....

PJ


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:56 pm EST

Avery fit the bill as did Dorsett to a point...

PJ


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:45 pm EST

That’s the worst thing about Corey Perry. He is just on the ice every other shift stirring it up. Backed up with Getzlaf? Although Getzlaf has chilled a lot those two were a menace out here. You should’ve seen the way Thornton shrunk against Getzlaf. It’s crazy how Perry who is the biggest dick is protected by Getzlaf. Man for once I’d love to see a New York Rangers not that can fight but constantly drives you crazy. Although sometimes the penalties get old.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:38 pm EST

....and that is the reason why I’m enamored with a guy like Tkachuk. He is physical, irritating, and is going to get big minutes on the ice. He would set a tone and it’s funny how that time of thing spreads like osmosis to others. Guys like Chris Krieder are gonna be more physical when he has a bunch of other guys around him. Quickie is really physical but honestly he doesn’t have the ability to put guys on their wallets. Go look at the video of Calgary against the Los Angeles Kings. Tkachuk just gets under Doughty’s skin. He put Doughty on his ass and stood over him. The Kings spend the rest of the next games trying to kill Tkachuk. And he loves it. Emotion creates motion.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:38 pm EST

E...Agree with what you say and am not looking for 70's style hockey...But if someone runs over our goaltender or takes liberties with a skilled player we must respond....

PJ


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:32 pm EST

Irving moofman jack are you talking about the former captain who never dropped his gloves to protect a teammate ? ...he could throw some checks , but was better at receiving than giving....and then get injured....aka miniveenyo....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:30 pm EST

PJ: it’s still a skill game. You just need to intersperse a bunch of rough and tumble guys who can play in the lineup. I often advocate that my issue with the NYR are less to do with fights or whatnot but more so guys who play a rough and tumble style that makes you suffer for every pass that lands on your stick. Intimidation is less important then a team that puts physical pressure. If you want blood and guts hockey that is available still in the AHL. But in the NHL you need three scoring lines and a checking line. And so the guys you need who bring the physicality need to be hockey players.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:29 pm EST

gggg you need a life size hanky poster or punching bag....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:28 pm EST

Legs: the team that faced Les Have had McDonagh, a functioning Brendan Smith, a preconceived Z'bad, a SKJEI who had his groove etc.... The upcoming squad will be totally different

mf


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:20 pm EST

Hospo you might get surprised by the new coach and the new attitude. Remember the habnots , and that they are hockey players. One thing you know they can take a hit or 3000 ...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 3:13 pm EST

I am happy to hear Gorton say we need to be tougher...Music to my ears, but so far he hasn't really followed that approach....I mean Spooner, DD, Holland and Vladdy?....Although it does sound like we got some size in the trades for prospects at the deadline....Should be interesting to say the least...Just players sticking up for each other will be a huge change....

PJ


Tue Apr 10 2018 2:33 pm EST

hipcheck - to do that, they need almost a total roster overhaul because all they really have to do that now is Kreider and Fast...well, and Cody McLeod!

Hospo


Tue Apr 10 2018 2:30 pm EST

RHET - good words coming from KID KREIDER...just might be a leader for this team..Hope management has the same thinking and urgency that Kreider does..We shall see...

Hospo


Tue Apr 10 2018 2:30 pm EST

I'm so happy Vigneault is gone. Guaranteed they come out flying & hitting next season. Youth, speed, talent & toughness coming next year. Watch.

hipcheck


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:36 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... Chris Kreider on what he thinks of the word rebuild in the NHL: "The NHL, at least the way it was explained to me early on, isn't a developmental league. This is a what have you done for me lately league, let's win now, especially in New York." #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:14 pm EST

Henrik Lundqvist met with the media at Rangers break up day on Tuesday and said (SNY): ....On emotions thinking about the future, "right now you think more about the season we just played and try to analyze it the right way. We all know that there are going to be changes over the summer. Part of me is a little excited about what is ahead, I hope we take some good steps in the right direction. Ever since they told us this is the plan, we always, every day coming to the rink and helping the young guys improve as much as they can in this little stretch but also over the summer to make sure they come well prepared for the fall. You don't know who is going to show up but whoever is going to be here, we are going to compete and be sure we have a better year and that is that." On AV being fired, "it's disappointing but you understand that we didn't get the job done and when that happens, change is going to happen. We had players leave, now the coaches leave. We all feel, I should say that we hoped and expected more when we started this season and then things happen along the way. We talked about it earlier, having five important pieces hurt for a little bit there hurt us a lot. We were just not able to recover and changes were made and it was a tough stretch after that." Are you going to the Worlds, "I haven't decided yet. For me, it's two things, it's physically and mentally. Physically I have been dealing with a knee injury pretty much all year. It's been under control but it's something I need to address now and I will meet with the doctors here in the next couple of days, get an MRI and make sure that I do all the things to be 100% when I start my training and prep for next season. That is number one and mentally it's been draining the last couple of months. To go to the Worlds you need to be on top of your game mentally and physically and find that strength and right now I need some time to see if I have it. Obviously I'm also waiting for my meetings with the doctors and making sure I do all the right things to be able to practice and prepare the way I want over the summer for next season." ....Is the knee injury from last year, "same knee but I started the season and it was fine and felt good and then got bumped into early on, maybe late October or early November and it's been there and something I had to deal with. It's not affecting my play but something that, when every day you have to look after it, it's not ideal. I think it's part of playing in this league. You play every day and make sure that you do whatever is necessary to do what is needed to play. Now I see an opportunity to get the right treatments and feel 100%." On next year needing to be about winning, "I think that the focus the last couple of months has been a lot on improving and getting better and being a little realistic about the team we had here and the guys we had coming up. If I compare the last two months with the runs we had with strong teams, it was a different mentality. It was not so much about improving, it was about winning every night. We had a different team and it was a different situation and different atmosphere and I think that it's important for all of us to understand that when we come back, no matter who is here, we need to set our goals, and we won't do that until we are back because we don't know who will be here but to have the most fun in the regular season and beyond that is to win games." ....Were you encouraged by the young players, "I was impressed. They came up at a pretty difficult time, a lot of guys are leaving, good friends and guys who have been here for a long time and we are not doing great but the guys came up with a great attitude and worked hard and that is what we needed. It was fun to see them play and the hunger they had to be here. They did a great job." ....What do you focus on this summer, "my focus, when I talk to Ben about my game, is three things. You have technically, mentally and physically. I will look at all three and see where I can improve and right now, take a deep breath and get a good read on this year, what was good in the first half and I was really happy with how things were going and the second half wasn't as strong for different reasons. Need some time to reflect and analyze on that. There is some excitement and coming back here and doing it better and seeing how far we can push it already next season when it starts again." ....On emotional outbursts after goals, "when you compete and you are not winning, of course you feel frustration and that is more me dealing with me more than anything. I've always been like that, the last two months have been a little bit more extreme with how things are going. There is always a fine line when you compete about staying calm and focused and being on edge. It's all about controlling that energy and emotions so it benefits the game and how you play. I feel I play better when I am on edge but still controlling my emotions. There is a lot of things to look at and I will have time to look at it before training for next year."

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:10 pm EST

And people who hated MessII, this is same thing, a marquee guy that can't cut it anymore forcing to play. Id write him a check & throw his shit onto 8th ave.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 12:33 pm EST

He thinks him hurt is still better than anyone. Ego- Lunatic. Thank God I don't have to look at him for 7 months.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 12:06 pm EST

hanky now you are going to get a mri?....wtf...you and the rest were too busy to get one sooner ? ....must be the same guys who let shattin play .....ramer lama ding dong needs to go if that's the case.....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 12:03 pm EST

Dhiren Mahiban ‏ Verified account @dcmahiban ..... #NYR prospect Alexei Bereglazov on unconditional waivers to terminate his contract, according to his agent.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:43 am EST

RF- Haha. Let’s start up the Joe Veleno bus!!!!! I also think you’re spot on about Buffalo; I wrote about this a couple days ago but they fall into the category of a team thats been losing for a very long time and they really need to turn this around post haste!!! They already have a long list of ‘prospects’ and they really need someone that could help right away and if the Rangers included a nice ‘young vet’ (think Ziba/ Hayes) they may go for it. We’d probably have to sweeten the deal a little more but we have a lot of depth in that 2nd tier. If I were the rangers, I’d try and move at least 2 of them (Zucc, Spooner, Stinky, Ziba, Kreider, Hayes, Butch, Quickie) to try and move up (I would personally try to hold onto Hayes and Butch). That leaves 1-2 top 9 spots open (provided Chytil and LA make the team) for FA or if one of the kids impresses (Ronning, Howden most likely). Also, I’d try and get something (ANYTHING) back for Gropp and Day since it doesn’t look at all likely that either will have any chance of surpassing who’s ahead of them on the depth chart esp considering that there’s will probably be 4-5 rungs down by the beginning of best year (after this years draft). It’s just crazy to think just how barren our system was a year ago.

_Arc


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:40 am EST

WTF does that even mean, impacted prep but not games? Buncha B.S.. GO BACK TO SWEDEN.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:39 am EST

""He said it didn't affect how he played,"" ??? "BULL!" Has anyone here ever have an injury knee or otherwise?

mf


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:34 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... Henrik Lundqvist said he's been dealing with a knee injury all season, likely related to the injury he sustained at the World Championship last year. He said it didn't affect how he played, but it impacted how he prepared. He'll meet with the team doctors in the coming days.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:28 am EST

ANDREI: I you don't think the NJD are ascending you're going to be very disappointed. They are making a lot of right moves over there now. They are deep and they are young. In short, they are back. I had suspected that they were 2-3 from contention status. With JT they are 1-2 away. I happen to agree that if he leaves the NYI he is going to get far away. Most likely out of the east altogether. I still contend that his best fit is SJ. They have the cap, and they can surround him with genuine talent. Right now they are a replacement of Thornton away from becoming a contender. They have 3-legitimate star caliber players as it is. And the money to spend and the willingness to always spend to the cap.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:27 am EST

Roy Kvatningen ‏ @kvatningen ....TRANSLATED.... Zuccarello does not play the VM. He has been struggling with a knee injury all season and was getting treatment for it at a hospital yesterday. Matter at @NettavisenSport once.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:23 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... Henrik Lundqvist said he has been bothered by a knee injury since late October or early November. He'll have an MRI.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:18 am EST

Some stories on Keefe: https://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/2018/04/07/keefes-winning-style-could-give-marlies-boss-a-ride-to-nhl.html.........https://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2015/03/27/sheldon-keefe-builds-second-career-out-of-second-chance.html

Rf4L


Tue Apr 10 2018 11:03 am EST

I think the Rangers will NOT sign a re-tread coach....I think they will try to snag this Sheldon Keefe character......I read he is only 37 years old......would that make him the youngest coach in the NHL?

tradestar28


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:30 am EST

TwitterLegs: Vladdy 18 better not have AV as his press secretary, he'll be gone by sundown....

mf


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:30 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 47m47 minutes ago “I think you can only be excited for the direction everything is going in.” - #NYR @ChrisKreider

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 10:27 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago “I think the future is bright” - #NYR @Vladdy18

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:57 am EST

Went googling Joe Veleno - interesting prospect who was the QHL's first player to be granted exceptional status (think JT, McDavid and Day): https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/young-veteran-joe-veleno-ready-another-long-qmjhl-playoff-run/

Rf4L


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:51 am EST

Arc: I did that lottery SIM thing a week or so ago and the first time I did it, the Rangers won and the Islanders were second!! That was when the Rangers were in the 11th spot. I tried a whole slew of times after that but they never moved. I think if Gorton can snag a 2nd lottery pick at a reasonable cost he should. I also maintain that Buffalo will be open to moving their pick if they don't win the lottery.

Rf4L


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:45 am EST

rf you are correct. if fishboy could trade for another lottery pick , that would be very interesting....sort of like the old days when players could hook a guy to propel themselves past them like a slingshot.....the faster this fresh,refresh, retool, rebuild, real contender , the better.....safe and slow is death...at least to me.....including getting a coach asap, before the draft if possible....I just hope the new guy isn't a fishboy clone especially in interviews .....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:36 am EST

Vic- I was thinking about that but I don’t see any way on gods green earth that Gorton would take that chance. You can end up looking like a HUGE chump in case the rangers did win any portion of the lottery. Having said that I did the same thing as NYStranger pressing that stupid button about 30 times and only once did the Rangers move up. About 70% of the time they ended up with the 9th pick so it leads me to believe that more than likely they will pick 9th. I’ve resigned myself to that reality instead of hoping against hope. I’m starting to warm to the idea of Joe Veleno. If we can somehow end up with him and package some of the later round assets to land Noah Dobson or Jesperi Kotkaniemi I’d be pretty happy

_Arc


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:29 am EST

Vic: So you're basically trading for better odds if you're the Rangers. I would think the Yotes would be reluctant because by doing so they're decreasing their odds of drafting Dahlin.

Rf4L


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:27 am EST

stevie: I don't think so. The Islanders have 2, one that was acquired last summer.

Rf4L


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:07 am EST

Are there rules against one team acquiring a 2 Nd lottery pick or a team not in the lottery trading for one ? I assume there is...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 8:06 am EST

RHET: Arizona would do it because they may otgerwise end up with the #6 pick if the lottery goes poorly for them. If that happened and they had made that trade they would be super happy about what a great trade it was. The Rangers would do it to get a realistic shot at the top pick and a very high chance at a top 3 pick. It is a bold gamble for sure but you don't win by being passive.

Vic


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:36 am EST

VIC... Why would either team do that? If you're the Coyotes, your pick could be much more valuable after the Lottery. If your the NYR's, you could potentially be trading a better pick for a worse one after the Lottery. IMO, it's too much of a gamble (especially with the NYR's history of bad luck).

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:20 am EST

Sorry. The Rangers have the #8 spot in the lottery right now....

Vic


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:18 am EST

The part I missed was talking about #91 and name rhyme .....that was the jt reference::::fishboy said good question I’m not answering:::: he’ ll Probably kick the tires if he has that opportunity.....if:.....

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:18 am EST

If GORTON were as bold as I would kike he would be trying to engineer a trade with Arizona right now. Before the lottery draw. Trade for Arizona's 3rd spot. What would it take? The Rangers spot at #9, plus one of the later 1st round picks and a roster player should get it done. It is risky as Arizona could get the top spot with the Rangers spot at #9. But it is the kind of bold move that could get the Rangers the #1 pick or pretty much a guaranteed top 5 pick.

Vic


Tue Apr 10 2018 7:04 am EST

Stevei... That link was Bad.... this one works... https://wfan.radio.com/media/audio-channel/carlin-maggie-and-bart-jeff-gorton

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:58 am EST

“In his first season behind the Rangers’ bench, Vigneault led the team to its first Stanley Cup Final appearance in 20 years. After reaching consecutive Eastern Conference finals in 2014 and 2015, the cracks in Vigneault’s armor began to show -- his overtrust in veterans, the continual high shot totals against and inability to defend the net-front area. There was never any noticeable evolution to Vigneault’s modus operandi. He was always unflinchingly calm, even when games turned sour. He refused to adjust his overload system and coaching tendencies to suit the situation. Several veterans were given almost unlimited leeway, while promising rookies were only given pathways to success once the roster forced Vigneault to have no other option. The best coaches in the league can see the forest for the trees to examine the broader picture. They adjust, they experiment and evolve their thinking. For too long, Vigneault has been stuck in his ways -- to the Rangers’ detriment. It was only right that a youthful-trending team will get a fresh start under new coaching leadership.“

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:52 am EST

http://cbs.streamguys.com/d/clips/4b5f9d6d-9214-48cb-8455-a73200038129/be92d404-fc24-4e74-ab44-a85800e1646b/caff8dd6-b06a-4f30-8e48-a8bd0162cf28/audio/direct/t1523309688/Carlin,_Maggie_and_Bart_with_Jeff_Gorton.mp3?t=1523309688&aw_0_1st.episodeid=Carlin%2c+Maggie+and+Bart+with+Jeff+Gorton&aw_0_1st.genre=&callsign=WFANAM&market=New%2bYork&awCollectionId=13477&show=The+Afternoon+Drive+with+Carlin%2c+Bart+and+Maggie&category=Sports+%26+Recreation&awEpisodeId=caff8dd6-b06a-4f30-8e48-a8bd0162cf28&episode=Carlin%2c+Maggie+and+Bart+with+Jeff+Gorton&listeningSessionID=5ab534b518f20ca8_1535929_CNCThFhx__0000000iWD5

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:46 am EST

Asked if Ruff is a candidate to replace Vigneault, Gorton said he wants to speak to Ruff before determining that. Later, while doing interviews on local sports radio, Gorton said Ruff will be going home and that he will talk to him “in a few weeks to see where things are at.’’

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 6:43 am EST

Responding to a question on ESPN Radio, Gorton agreed that this year’s team lacked toughness and grit, and he promised that will be addressed. “We do want to be a team that plays harder,’’ he said. “In the last couple months, since the deadline, I think that we were pretty void in that area, and it became more and more clear. It’s something that we will address, yes.’’

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 10 2018 4:00 am EST

I avoid the topic of Taveras because it's a complete waste of time imo, but I could be wrong. But I do think Kovalchuk is a better fit for us, easy. He's bigger & more physical & fights and just in general is way nastier. He's also a right shot that can play left point in the PP, not to mention thin as NYR are, center is one place they have good depth. One could argue the quality of that center depth vs. Taveras (and mostly lose), but I don't think there's much argument who's better for us relative to where we are. One guy wants to be here, the other hates us, it's the last place he wants to be. And not taking anything away from JT, he's been rock solid avg 70-pt player for an AWFUL franchise, but to compare him & Kovalchuk at their peak is no contest at all. Taveras' high in goals is 38 (he jad 37 once), Kovalchuk has topped that 5 times (and almost equaled it twice). Tavares high in points is 86, Kovalchuk has topped that 4 times. Two no. 1 overalls, both played on terrible teams a king time, IK caught a few goid years in NJ. The big difference is ofcourse age, cause thats all anybody ever thinks of. No denying Kovie is almost 7 years older, but that only matters as it relates to performance. And I think we get the great Kovalchuk on a lot of nights, he comes in about $3m a year cheaper with no term to bust you out down the road. So an interesting comparison for what each might mean to us. I just find it amazing how one guy is supposedly a totally mercenary scumbag and the other the answer to ranger dreams.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:15 am EST

E, NJ is so far down the list of the contenders, that i would not be betting my lunch on JT signing there. Plus it is still Metro team, and JT will not be signing with either NJ or NYR.

andrei


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:13 am EST

Another example, Toronto. With Marner, Nylander, and Matthews approaching RFA and looking to get paid, logically, people would say, that Toronto will not be in JT sweepstakes. Wrong... Toronto is the exactly the team JT would be taking a very deep look into. Great city, great fan. You win the cup in Toronto and you are a GOD for life in the city... There is already another superstar in Mathhews and together with JT, you have a lethal combo.. Mariner will be kept and Nylander will be traded to get a top d-an that Toronto is missing. You don't think that Carolina would not jump at the chance to get Nylander?? I can bet you that NOAH HANIFIN, plus something will be a nice return for Nylander. There are a lot of tams like that...

andrei


Tue Apr 10 2018 1:09 am EST

ANDREI: don’t rule out the NJD for JT. They are a team that’s ascending. They can afford him. It’s at his home. I could never see him sign with the New York Rangers although it’s free to dream. When it all settles he will likely stay with the NYI and it will be Stamkos part deux. If he was going to leave the NYI I wouldn’t be surprised if he went to San Jose. He’s a great fit there, they have the money and he’d be on a contender. Despite every team in the league kicking his tires, I really don’t think he fits into too many teams. Teams may want to clear salary in order to get him but it’s harder than you’d think to get this guy in the fold.

E


Tue Apr 10 2018 12:58 am EST

Relax, JT is not signing with the Rangers. He is not signing with the Devils either. There still a big % that he will re-sign with the Isles, but with every day approaching, that % is getting lower and lower. If he leaves the Isles, he will only sign with the team he is convinced will have the best chance to win the Cup. Period. There are 31 teams in NHL that can afford signing Tavares, as far the actual salary cap. Some team have less space, but if JT say negotiated a deal with Tampa and say "I want to sign with you", you can bet that Stevie Y would accommodate the signing. Players can be traded, picks can be offered and space will be created. The notion that teams can't afford a 27 year old super star is baseless, and honestly, is just stupid to think that there are only a hand full of teams that will be interested in Tavares. From the end of the hockey year (July 1st), teams can go over the cap and they have time till the begging of the season (October) to get under the cap. There is a plenty of time for any team to make trade, walk away from RFA's to make room. There are teams that would not want to spend $11-$12 mil on the UFA due to the financial difficulties. I can't see Phoenix or Ottawa offering max. There is a 0 chance that Ottawa will be looking to sign both Kalson and Tavares, or that JT would want to sign in Ottawa. Rest of the teams... Fair game...

andrei


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:58 pm EST

MF ... your post at 10:22 could be about the NYR, except signing JT not re-signing. As for Gordon’s ‘experience required’ riff, let’s hope junior or assistant counts, otherwise it’s retread city

Nick


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:44 pm EST

GG I can be after a few drinks! LOL but being a Rangers fan has not been much of a party lately. The rehab will take as long as it takes. The faster the better. But you know that silly sign you might see in some restaurants? The one about getting food fast, good, or cheap. You can only pick two out of the three? I just hope Gorton has some really good moves in him this off-season. It could make or break the next ten years...

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:22 pm EST

cont..... The Islanders resign JT, sign IK, and find a half decent goalie, tighten up their Team D, and they'd be a handful....

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:10 pm EST

RF: I'm saying that I think most teams will bring up JT in their managerial private conversations, and it wouldn't surprise me if over half the league kicks the tires on him....JT is a difference maker... He'd enable the NYR's to fast track our rebuild..... Across the Hudson, The Debbies have $54.5 mill allocated for next season... Let's say they could sign JT & IK in addition to Taylor Hall..... We could go around the league and play this silly game, but back to the point, yes, I think most of the leagues teams will bring his name up and, "Rosterbate!" :-)

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:47 pm EST

mf: So are you saying 25 teams will pursue JT if he comes available?

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:25 pm EST

mf: I dunno...honestly, I don't. I was musing about what Arizona might ask in return. I really like that kid but it would be really nice to see him here again to see how realistic those amazing numbers are. If they are legit (i.e. he's that good) yikes...if it's because the KHL is a joke and teams (his) can be stacked, that's another thing altogether. I saw him in the WJC and was very impressed - not seen him play since.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:22 pm EST

RF: just about every team can move a $5mill salary and afford JT at $10mill..... The cap will increase at least 5% ($3.75 million) to $78.75 million..... No Problemo to fit JT

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:18 pm EST

RF: from earlier, you're willing to trade Shesterwhatshinamekov?? A "young" potentially future franchise goaltender? And for Domi?

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:18 pm EST

mf: 25 clubs? Nah, don't think so. 25 clubs might inquire if JT hits UFA, we are talking about $10,000,000+ player - at least half the league couldn't fit him in without huge roster changes that would make no sense. Really though, that's not important because up to 10 teams could add him without ripping apart their roster and most of them will want him. He's gonna get his money and a very selection of teams to play for, if he that's what he wants.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:10 pm EST

Hospo...lolol - your doom and gloom is indeed a tad relentless - but makes me laugh nonetheless...could be worse you know - Sather could be making the decisions!!!

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:09 pm EST

NYStranger, you must be a riot at parties ha. Ha... How long do you expect the rebuild to take? "We can't write a letter every six months. Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:45 pm EST

So for shits and giggles I went over to tankathon.com and tried out the lottery simulator. Did it 40 times and the Rangers only moved up 3 times for me. Never got the #1. BUT Rangers did move down to pick#9 or #10 about half the time. Sometimes two spots. Don't like the odds. Grease those palms Dolan!

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:24 pm EST

See Hospo, you can say the guy is a boob but he dismisses an icon & a guy who could easily threaten his job (and the whole franchise, if things ever really went askew with No.11 here) in one tidy sentence. Another direction lol. Probably had it written on his palm.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:07 pm EST

Gorton said he will not hire a coach with no experience. Later, on WFAN, he was asked if he would consider hiring Rangers great Mark Messier as coach. He said he would not. “Listen, Mark’s done a lot of good things in hockey for the Rangers and all that,’’ he said. “He’s definitely a real qualified hockey person. But I would say, as the head hockey coach of this team, that we probably are going to be looking in another direction.’’

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:00 pm EST

Rhet, I bet 25+ clubs can rearrange their roster to accommodate JT

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:48 pm EST

TAVARES, ISLANDERS HAVEN’T PLANNED SIT-DOWN.... “Obviously, it’s a big decision,” Tavares said, as quoted by Newsday. “I want to give myself the best chance to win the Stanley Cup.” If Tavares hits the open market, almost every other team in the NHL will approach him, though many will be restricted to offer a significant contract due to salary cap restraints. It’s believed the Montreal Canadiens, Vegas Golden Knights, San Jose Sharks, Vancouver Canucks and Carolina Hurricanes are among the teams that will significantly pursue Tavares if he becomes a UFA this summer.... https://www.thefourthperiod.com/apr-2018/tavares-islanders-havent-planned-sitdown/

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:09 pm EST

https://mobile.twitter.com/migueljose_85/status/983321639092998145/photo/1

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:55 pm EST

We may have up-ticked on CornHolio Buttmans list due to my warm accolades of the man and the fact that we played, "whistle to whistle." Nary a head injury when facing the NY Ballerina's.... Thank you AV, I miss you already... xoxoxo

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:37 pm EST

God, the rosterbating and draft pick speculabating is gonna make everybody go blind the next two months....Glad to hear that Gordo knows the team needs to add toughness..and hopefully toughness that can play in the NHL now

Hospo


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:34 pm EST

Does Buffalo need the one guy or a bunch of assets. They have been on the down side for a while and may be sick and tired of always sucking. What helps them more? After all: Colorado did do better than Philly in the Eric Lindros deal. it's a stretch, but you never know.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:09 pm EST

Rangers are not at risk of moving and don't need a new arena. Therefore, I see Arizona, Calgary or Carolina winning Bettman's lottery. Pittsburgh (Crosby) and Edmonton (McDavid) were rewarded for their loyalty to Bettman. The Rangers are far down the list of Bettman backers.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:58 pm EST

I actually think that Tkachuk might actually be doable for the New York Rangers. You give up 2 of those 1's and a second level prospect it would be hard for a team to walk away from it. Best case obviously is if the hockey Gods smiled on us for a change and got us Dahlin. Then we keep the other 2 1-picks for something else and get the gift of the Gods. For once. Don't we deserve our chance for good fortune??? Ever???

E


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:55 pm EST

Dolan just needs to grease the right palms, stevie.

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:54 pm EST

I think the only way you get Dahlin is the Rangers 9th overall pick and someone like Hayes. Even then it probably wouldn't be enough - that's how good Dahlin is. Now that offer might get you the 2nd or 3rd overall pick...

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:48 pm EST

Arc don’t worry nyr are going to win the lottery... Buttman is an equal payoff opportunity guy ....

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:47 pm EST

Arc the claim was with jitters it was more him than the coach conflict. And fishboy was dealing away guys that would become ufas early rather than wait until the walk year. The so called proactive vs reactive

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:47 pm EST

Stevie- nobody <NOBODY> is gonna give up the #1 pick in this draft for a #8, #28, and #30. Prob would have to add in at least another 2nd and 3rd rounders and a young roster player. Ultimately those late 1sts are not much more different than early 2nds. I’d think about packaging both of them to try and move up into the early teens tho

_Arc


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:40 pm EST

MF- You’re right about glut at LD. I wouldn’t be surprised if Gorton packages one of them if the right deal came along; I just hope it’s not Ryan Lindgren. Also, I know he takes a lot of heat on here but I thought O’Gara was one of the pleasant surprises this past year. He’s not spectacular at anything but I thought he was always quietly solid. I wouldn’t ask him anything more than 6-7d but aside from being an Islander fan growing up, can’t say I was disappointed in much of anything he did. The real X factor in all of this is Hajek. If (a big friggin IF) Gorton is right and he’s a good 2D, we’ll be a step ahead in this..... whatever this is; But if Gorton is wrong and the kid is a B level prospect...... coupled together with JT for the invisible maybe Russian....... he should certainly be drawn up by his short hairs. Btw, even if you were buying the bs about Miller and his attitude, wtf would you make a change without giving him a chance with a new coach??? Just don’t get it.

_Arc


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:34 pm EST

Just a paranoid Rangers fan, here! CHERRY is too fresh in my mind. Something ALWAYS seems to go wrong for us. But...To counter the Dahlin question. What would we be comfortable giving up to draft Tkachuk at number 2 or 3?

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:28 pm EST

3 firsts is a hard to turn down offer

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:27 pm EST

More on Dahlin: Offensive skills in the neighourhood of Karlsson but better defensively and bigger. He's the real deal IMO and will be a player a team can be built around.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:26 pm EST

Apparently, Garth Snow (and Weight) is back next year. Another nail in the coffin that's JT's Islander career??

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:25 pm EST

Stranger: Dahlin is arguably the best defenseman to come down the pipe in a long time. Drew Doughty level. So, he has bonafide superstar potential level.

E


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:23 pm EST

NYStranger: No, but he's a step below. Think Nate MacKinnon, only a d-man.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:18 pm EST

E, I doubt any team that has the chance at Dahlin would make that deal...but who knows? But Hypothetically, I don't know enough about this kid, but my gut makes me leary about putting all the eggs in one basket. This is not McDavid, or Crosby, or even Ovetchkin. Or is he?

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:16 pm EST

The thing is Buffalo or Arizona will likely win the 1st pick and none need a bunch of additional picks. They'll take Dahlin.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:15 pm EST

E: Yes!

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:01 pm EST

Here is an interesting question: would you pack up all 3 1-picks for the first pick to grab Dahlin? I would. Gladly.

E


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:34 pm EST

https://wfan.radio.com/blogs/sean-hartnett/hartnett-alain-vigneaults-biggest-sin-resistance-change

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:33 pm EST

RHET at the bus stop....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:30 pm EST

Stevie..... You will laugh. The guy they were talking about is John Tortorella. There is talk that he may be fired at the end of the season(depending how they do in the playoffs) and there has been some speculation that the NYR could be interested. I don't buy it, but it would be hysterical just to see the look on Brooks' face :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:14 pm EST

MFer you whine with the best of them lol. Let me try to brighten your day. Gortons got, imo, a pocketful of cash but the stores are all closed. So it looks like a low point. It is. It doesn't feel very good I admit. But Gorton can build a great team that'll last a long time right here. He comes back with Tkachuk Kovalchuk a good tough young supporting cast and one of OEL or Karlsson it starts to look like a serious team, quick. We also don't have a scheduled game for 7 months lol. But if people want to go back & debate how we got here? No argument from me, we shouldve never got to where the house was crumbling, though some of the rot came from within. So it's time. But to be here, no top picks yet, no coach, no Nash or Jt, stuck with middling Rfas? It sucks. Happy now? Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:08 pm EST

rhet who were they hinting at a former coach, gave a name rhyme...they lost me...

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 4:05 pm EST

HOSPO: Agreed on the AV took to long to be canned thing. And too be sure Gordo has a ho-hum record in the big chair. But when I see the players he is targeting, it’s clear he wants a much more physical and aggressive New York Rangers team. Almost every player at the deadline he grabbed had their own reputation for playing a physical brand of hockey. So, it’s looking clear to me that all other things to the side he is building a team that is more palatable for me. And likely you. Obviously you can have a big and mean team that sucks just as well as a superbly talented squad that’s baby poo soft. Sadly, the New York Rangers don’t have enough skill right now. It’s easier to get rough and tumble then it is to get talent. But I’m optimistic right now. I’m trying to lay off reading the tea leaves. I’ll have to hold off on being overly critical till after the free agency period sorts itself out. Gordo sure as hell ain’t got much of a personality though.

E


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:57 pm EST

Did someone call for a negative Ranger Fan? ""KITCHEN111111"" You couldn't even fire the Sous Chef, someone had to do it for you! Double Secret Probation for you!

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:50 pm EST

Nothing but GM speak. Except he pretty much said 'no' to Messier.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:50 pm EST

I'm not going to debate you. You are the MOST negative Ranger fan I have ever come across!!

kitchen1


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:32 pm EST

now....http://player.radio.com/listen/station/wfan-sports-radio-66am-1019fm-ny#.WsvNwH8h3IU

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:30 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 17m17 minutes ago Gorton on The Michael Kay Show said the lack of toughness is an area that needs to be addressed. He also said -- shocker -- that the idea that Vigneault was fired for lack of young player development is incorrect. #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:27 pm EST

fishboy likes the new word REFRESH...... he threw in that he decided that veenyo deserved the rest of the season after the letter or deadline .....or shot that from the hip maybe ....his constant use of we means that make decisions by committee rather than just him....he probably has the semi final say, and has to get the final blessing from the genius before he makes moves....he might go back to the search committee and figure out they really should have a coach by draft day , preferably sooner.....especially since he's going to make plenty of roster decisions between now, draft days, and ufa days , week, month, summer ..then .....training camp.....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:15 pm EST

And onw of the things I'm getting at saying only 7 guys is I'd definitely expect activity among the Rfas, and not just the newcomers because thats where the $ is. Cap isn't our biggest concern, talent is, but still. I'm also no longer counting on Buchnevich, but he's a 50pt player right now. Hayes is a 25 goal scorer, the impact of which is debatable but regardless, they've got a lot of chips to play.what you gotta hope against is the market shrinking of guys we like.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:04 pm EST

Hospo, you can use Gorton as a punching bag all you want, or not at all, whatever. Over 2 months till the draft he can't go shopping until then. He's got to select a coach & 2/3s of a team. It's a huge task but doable with what he's got to work with. But looking back is meaningless, we are where we are.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 3:01 pm EST

Do you really believe we had the players and the coach was the only problem?....Hell, the early reviews on our kids aren't that great.....

PJ


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:55 pm EST

kitchen1 - To each their own, but if you like how Gordo's "retool on the fly" worked out and turned into a white flag quit job, well, we'll jsut have to agree to disagree....

Hospo


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:51 pm EST

GG - And why are we at the point where you can only count 7 guys that should be on the team next fall? One word..Gorton!.

Hospo


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:51 pm EST

"I'll tell you, this Gordo the Clown doesn't strike me as a very sharp cookie" AND "Agreed...Gortie doesn't seem very organized....Scrares me to be honest....He could mess us up for a long time...." WTF are you talking about?

kitchen1


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:50 pm EST

And the Sather influence still there....

PJ


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:48 pm EST

Agreed...Gortie doesn't seem very organized....Scrares me to be honest....He could mess us up for a long time....

pj


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:46 pm EST

Hospo Gorton is sly, dont kid yourself. Both in GM speak & Cvc speak, two different things. But im not exactly brimming with confidence at this moment. Hajak might be as important as any player we have right now. If he doesn't prove out we have no LD either. Gorton said it before, no one separated themselves down the 'stretch that wasn't' lol. Pionk as good as it got, and he can't stop losing his man. I count about 7 guys on this team next year with relative certainty. Everything else remains to be seen.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:38 pm EST

I'll tell you, this Gordo the Clown doesn't strike me as a very sharp cookie..The Rangers should already know what type of coach they want and a short list of potentials to fit that vision...And GORDO said that he only reached the decision to fire AV a week ago? AYFKM???? After what transpired the last two years...OTOH, maybe there was some guilt involved being that Gordo's roster moves were a big part of the problem

Hospo


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:29 pm EST

Ranger47: As LB points out, if Sheldon Keefe is on his radar he'll likely have to wait several weeks - the Marlies are AHL cup favourites.

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:25 pm EST

We may not know a lot about the possible next coach right away. Gorton was asked if they thought they needed one in place for the draft and he flatly said "no, it wasn't important". When it was "suggested" by a reporter that it might important to have one in place by July 1st (free agency) he had a curious look on his face and said something like "That's probably a good idea" - kind of like he hadn't considered it before. Wonder if he'll be waiting to see if any of the PO coaches (head or assistant ones) become available as PO teams drop out of the race before making any decisions.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:12 pm EST

pete and repeat.... New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 36m36 minutes ago ???? #NYR General Manager Jeff Gorton will be on @TMKSESPN at 4pm and @CMBWFAN at 4:30pm.

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:11 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/rangers-eliminate-a-few-wild-cards-in-narrowing-coach-search/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 2:07 pm EST

It's no doubt getaway day for the Islanders and JT had a billion microphones stuck in his face. There's no way he's going say anything but that at this point in time. And it's probably true. He probably does want to stay, if the environment was right. In other words, what he's not saying is something like 'but there's no home arena yet and we missed the POs again so I really have consider moving on.'

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 1:57 pm EST

COLLUSION: Chris Drury (NYR asst. GM/Wolfpack GM) and Danny Briere (Maine VP of Hockey Ops).

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 1:42 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... [NEWS] The @ECHL’s @MarinersOfMaine have announced today that they have entered into an affiliation agreement with the @NYRangers.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 1:40 pm EST

Swamp Rabbits ‏ Verified account @SwampRabbits) ..... The Swamp Rabbits and New York Rangers have chosen not to extend their affiliation agreement next season.Thank you to the Rangers Organization for 8 great seasons as our affiliate. http://bit.ly/2ExA7zY ....Stevie.... Ruff's defense's (defens-i?) have sucked EVERYWHERE he'a gone. No excuse for him.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 1:36 pm EST

Ha..... welcome to the abyss. Time to call FEMA.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 1:31 pm EST

Brian Compton ‏ Verified account @BComptonNHL ...... John Tavares reiterates he would like to stay: no timeline on deal. #Isles

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:58 pm EST

rhet ruff was the baby sitting defense system coach following the head coach's concept of defense ....alias don't block hanky's view....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:53 pm EST

E... He may want to stick with the organization if he doesn't get a head coaching job. Just as long as he's not in charge of the defense.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:51 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-top-30-unrestricted-free-agents-of-2018

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:49 pm EST

I think Ruff will get a chance to interview and that’s why he wasn’t canned. So, if he isn’t whacked in the next 48 hours you know he is a serious candidate to take over. Otherwise, he’ll want out to look for a new job. Personally, I think he ticks a lot of the boxes plus he’s an analytical mind. He preaches a style of play that I like. Lots of puck possession. I have no idea how much latitude he had under AV. It’s just hard to tell what happened with him. I would think that when you hack the head off the dragon, you do it all the way. But what do I know. But you should know quickly.

E


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:45 pm EST

I didn't know Duchene had a sense of humor..... TSN 1200 ‏ Verified account @TSN1200 .... Duchene says he wants to win a Stanley Cup and he sees the potential for that here.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:44 pm EST

mf: No, I'm talking about Shesterwhatshisnamekov...

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:43 pm EST

that comment is a bit too anthony jeselnek'ish

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:41 pm EST

stevie....Theo wishes his coach wasn't hands on

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:40 pm EST

TSN 1200 ‏ Verified account @TSN1200 .....Karlsson says he is least worried about how much money he's going to get.... Karlsson says he has a good relationship with management and hasn't taken anything personally.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:38 pm EST

Bruce Garrioch ‏ Verified account @SunGarrioch .... Erik Karlsson says he'd like to stay. Will sit down with the organization in the off-season to discuss the plan. #Sens.... Also per TSN 1200 ‏ Verified account @TSN1200 .... Karlsson says all the contract stuff will happen in good time. He has another year on his contract so there is lots of time.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:18 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 2h2 hours ago Arniel, Williams dismissed. Gorton intends to speak to Ruff but longtime NHL head coach not expected to be candidate.

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:17 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 50m50 minutes ago Re: the Kovalchuk report. Not true. Could eventually happen. But they haven't spoken, and can't speak while he's under contract. Hearing they can talk in mid-April. Can't sign til 7/1, is my understanding.

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:16 pm EST

are you still allowed to call a coach ' hands on' ?...

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:14 pm EST

i'm vague ? ...wow fishboy makes me a crystal clear ....he decided on veenyo by the deadline or sooner, but he deserved to finish the season is what i heard without subtitles, a translator, and a guy saying what fishboy said was......guess ruff will be retained in some position from head coach on down.....to the old special advisor to advisors or sun-visors.....maybe cigar lighter upper....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 12:07 pm EST

Nick it's part of Hillary's uranium 1 deal, and the reset button spelt wrong compensation ...and collusion....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:58 am EST

CornHolio BungHolio recently stated that the Cap could increase to $78-$82mill...... We've got $50.5 mill tied up for next season as per Cap-friendly (https://capfriendly.com/teams/rangers) so we can spend $30mill "K-Mart shoppers" ..... The Cap has been increasing at a rate of approx 5% p/y and there's no reason to doubt that the cap will be anything short of that after bringing another franchise into the league, and with another to follow, AND, I could see at least one franchise at the lower levels of attendance being relocated, Quebec City comes to mind, maybe even Houston... (as VIC grins:-) ...... With an increase above 5%, I doubt any teams find themselves in "Cap Hell" like I thought would be the case for Chicago & Toronto last season......

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:50 am EST

RF: are you talking Alexandar Georgiev? The Yotes just re-upped Raanta & have Darcy Kuemper as his backup........ I can envision Georgiev & Shesterwhatshisnamekov being our Goalie tandem in the future with (pass the Rosey Red's) Hank bridging the gap (passing the torch) winning a Cup in NY as the #2 goalie..... Now Back to reality....

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:41 am EST

PJ: Not necessarily a 1 for 1 but from what I can see they've got a ton of young talented forwards in their system so their backline is where they are lacking. That said, would Domi for the Rangers Russian goalie prospect work? Just musing here...

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:39 am EST

mf: You mean the Rangers pursuing JT is he comes available? If so, no because instead of a 36 year old me-first player who epitomizes the word 'mercenary', they'd be getting a still relatively young first line center who's character is impeccable. He would accelerate the rebuild, address a gap that's existed in the organization since Messier I (and that's a very VERY long time), and make one of Hayes/Z expendable to be used as fodder to address other holes. Not pursuing JT would be utterly foolish on Gorton's part regardless of how he's viewing his rebuild/retool strategy and not for a NY second do I think Gorton wouldn't reach out (and as I've been saying since last summer there may have already been informal dialogue between the Rangers and JT's camp).

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:35 am EST

If that is the cost for Domi they can shove it....Will never get from anyone....

PJ


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:33 am EST

I think if the Rangers want Domi, they'll have to part ways with Skjei.

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:32 am EST

Just to try and be abundantly clear, we are a big league SHAMBLES right now. I could care less about Dolan's $, picks or prospects right now. There's plenty of all 3 to do the job. Start with a few guys that can play - Kovi & Karlsson fit the bill - draft like crazy & find a coach. Add that to what little we have & hope like hell for something tangible by Xmas. Make adjustments from there, try to make the playoffs. Gorto's words on Lundqvist are not encouraging.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:29 am EST

RF: is this not "Rangerish?" https://nypost.com/2018/04/09/john-tavares-has-another-isles-teammate-trying-to-lure-him-back/

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:18 am EST

Smith in the AHL, that's an expensive cap hit. Reminds me of Wade Redden part deux...... Maybe Arizona wants him as part of a DOMI trade

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:16 am EST

I dunno but pursuing Koval-me is so Rangerish/gotta_chase_the_shinest_object. Been there done that like 1000 times over. All he costs is money so at least if he does become a Ranger Gorton isn't coughing up picks and prospects to accomplish that.

rf4L


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:16 am EST

Ever get the feeling that the Ranger locker room had as much enthusiasm as a wake? .... McDonagh, Nash, Staal, all seem like silent leaders... Got to blow a gasket once in a while, if in fact JT Miller wore his emotions on his sleeve, good for him, what is this, "study-hall?" ..... Class my ass, firing AssVipe Bidet is addition by subtraction......

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:10 am EST

I think this flirtation with Martin St. Louis confirms that the Rangers have a significant leadership void. I have to believe that also played into the trading of McDonagh. St. Louis was known to be a vocal guy who held others around him accountable. Sounds like the Rangers have not had that other than Henrik.......and Henrik is such a diva that he could be tuned out because he bitches so much at everyone.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:05 am EST

Smith can serve as a bridge to some of the new D prospects if he gets his head out of his rear end. Otherwise..........he had better enjoy playing in the AHL.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:05 am EST

Hmmm...glad it will be a whole new staff (too bad it doesnt extend to the blame-game Clown GM that crippled the roster the last two years)....Definitely need a STRONG hands on-coach because there really are no real leaders on this..Maybe some will grow into it as their game grows...but not yet...BICH and Namestnikov (and Spooner) indeed disappeared and floated the last month or so..But they weren't the only ones...Too many vets did not put enough in ..and that includes MZA and futue HOF #1 center ZBAD who, after 7-8 really good games, just decided to check out and stink up the joint...ALOT of problems on this team...An axe needs to be taken to it, not a scalpel..But...need to pick the coach first....and you have to listen to him on personal...you need the players and the coach to be a match in any rebuilding/retooling...not square pegs for round holes like it was the last two years..

Hospo


Mon Apr 9 2018 11:03 am EST

jmwo but, if Brendan Smith doesn't nail his exit interview, he's on the way out.... he's 2/3rds of a $6mill contract and we have 6+ guys vying for 3 LHS D spots... big deal he can play the RHS, $4.35 mill per and you don't show up for work?

mf


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:59 am EST

I bet that a couple RFA’s are goners if the Rangers are going to spend $6 Million on Kovalchuk.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:52 am EST

Is that Kovalchuk for $6 million story from the Onion or Sarah Huckabee Sanders? What a load of crap -- I hope. Geezus Christ. Who would we dig up next? Bobby Holik?

Nick


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:50 am EST

WILD—That is the classy thing to do. I have never taken joy in whacking anyone....even when it was well-deserved. However the symptoms of a serious falling out between AV and his bosses are there. The cold nature of the Rangers handling of AV’s whacking and AV’s words about coaching “the team you are given.”

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:42 am EST

Bob: I wonder if saying he expected AV to be the couch next season was partly to not bury the guy any further. A respectable thing to do. AV was not done disaster like some seem to make it out to have been, and he brought good years to the team....it hurts nothing to say it was a decision made completely late in the season.

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:41 am EST

I think the Rangers do trade Zucc in the off-season......he has some value and they probably want to cut the tail off the whole Zucc / Henrik "remember the good ole day Rangers".......

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:37 am EST

So Jeff Gorton held a presser to announce the whacking of Arneil and Williams. He still has not spoken with Lindy Ruff. Does not sound like Ruff will be the new coach though. Sounds like they might try to keep him in the organization. I would love to be a fly on the wall at some of these player meetings tomorrow. He said he did not know they were whacking AV at the deadline, but we’re convinced of the need to do so over the past couple weeks.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:37 am EST

PJ: Vesey might be one, he really disappeared there. Spooner? I don’t know, his effort level rarely changes, he is just inconsistent, and you don’t notice him until he gets on a hot streak....but if you watch him play he plays about the same when he is cold...but maybe he dropped off a little at the end....but it’s hard to tell with him. I do think it’s telling that the last game there they called up a couple kids and scratched more veteran bottom line guys to play them. Perhaps it was to get a look at those kids....but it may have been a message to the team about what happens when you don’t play hard. Does anyone remember anything DD, Holland or Carey did the last 2-3 weeks of the season? I mean anything at all?

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:31 am EST

I think Buch was more a frustration thing....hence his dropping the gloves. A guy who has quite trying doesn’t get into a fight or goto the net, he was still involved and around the net and the puck too much to think he wasn’t working hard...

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:29 am EST

tradestar28: I have a hard time seeing effort as an issue with those 3....they seemed to play with energy, if not effectively....I did wonder if those guys might be the target of that statement....but it’s hard to know what effort levels are when you are not around them every day...he knows what players were slacking on the practice ice as well, something we don’t get to see...

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:29 am EST

Buch and Vladdy for sure...Maybe Spooner and Vesey also...

PJ


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:27 am EST

Ranger47: He said AHL, NHL or other places. And the way he kind of stumbled over that statement and hesitated makes me think he likes someone from some other league as well...like he almost said something else, NCAA, Junior, Europe? Who knows, but he stumbled right when he was saying that and that could be him trying to avoid giving something away or be accused of tampering.

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:26 am EST

the most interesting thing Gorton said was about some of the players not playing hard enough in the last part of the season.....I wonder if he was talking about Namestikov or Zucc or Buch....or all 3

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:24 am EST

So Gorton openly said there were a few guys he was disappointed in when it came to effort late in the season. To me he all but said if they don’t repond the right way in breakup meetings they are good as gone. We may have an idea of who those guys are once trade rumors crop up and/or who they are signing to new deals. Trying to think of any guys that are though get to be roster guys moving forward that seemed to quit....can’t really think of any on the top lines....only guys that were fringe types seems to have that feeling about them.

Wildcard


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:23 am EST

Gorton used the word "fresh" alot........Sutter is as fresh as a two month old cheesecake from Junior's

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:21 am EST

Obviously Larry's hidden question was to see if the Rangers would hire Messier, Drury or MSL as the next coach......and Gorton's answer was "no"

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:21 am EST

From Gorton's presser it sure sounded to me like they will only/mostly have eyes for an experienced NHL head coach. My money is on Sutter at this point.

Ranger47


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:21 am EST

most interesting backhanded comment ....' a hands on coach'.....whack....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:20 am EST

Schluby

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:14 am EST

Tough to blame the players too much...remember they we playing under Coach Sword of Damocles...

RF73


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:13 am EST

Be nice to have a real pp hopefully

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:10 am EST

Bob, any word on what happened to Arneil, Williams and Ruff?

RF73


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:10 am EST

glad to see Arniel go, not a big fan of that guy

Gibbo


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:10 am EST

Ruff probably gets interviewed

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:09 am EST

Lb next coach lol

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:06 am EST

Arniel and Williams also whacked. Lindy Ruff still there for now.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:06 am EST

Arniel and Williams also whacked. Lindy Ruff still there for now.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:06 am EST

Arneil is gone as well...They will be talking to Ruff and see what they are going to do with him

RF73


Mon Apr 9 2018 10:05 am EST

Arniel and Williams also whacked. Lindy Ruff still there for now.

Bob


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:59 am EST

Link to the live stream: https://www.nhl.com/rangers/team/press-conference-live-stream

RF73


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:52 am EST

Not from this fan. Loved Kovalchuk & hated Avery lol. I remember the incident, I think.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:51 am EST

GG....do u remember the disdain for IK from Rangers fans when he was with 1) the Atlanta Thrashers.....and Sean Avery dropped the gloves with him in playoffs and the dumb refs jumped in........2) when he played for the dum ass Devils

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:33 am EST

Vic thanks again for doing the pool! I am obviously a hockey genius and will be submitting my resume to Jimmy Boy for GM because Gorton can't be long for the job! Otherwise Been away from the news for a few days. What did I miss?!

NYStranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:33 am EST

Why hold a press conference today? Surely not to talk about the firing of AV. Is it possible they already have their coach and are set to name him? That would certainly be interesting. I guess we will find out in about 30 minutes or so.

Vic


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:30 am EST

Thunk it. And Karlsson, plz.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:29 am EST

King Wally for Sportphone! Wow forgot all about that. Kovalchuk? Who woulda think it? Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 9:26 am EST

#NYR General Manager Jeff Gorton will address the media today at 11am. Tune in on our live stream on (link: http://facebook.com/nyrangers) facebook.com/nyrangers

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:49 am EST

Vic might as well start the who's the next coach pool before fishboy jumps out of the water ....lots of candidates....ruff was going to get the job before veenyo , both applying for dallas , and they traded places like talkerella did with veenyo....3 musical chairs....all got a seat....that was after the genius asked messier to consider it while supposedly being the gm in training...he decided yes, and sather decided veenyo experience....the rest is history and secrets....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:48 am EST

People don't read past the headlines anymore.... Per IGOR ERONKO.... "As it became known "SE" SKA forward Ilya Kovalchuk reached a preliminary agreement on the transition to the "Rangers" and is likely to join the club from New York. 34-year-old striker will be able to sign the contract only on July 1 - the day the market opens free agents in the NHL . According to our information, Kovalchuk's salary in the Rangers will be about six million dollars per season, the contract term is still under discussion - the parties are negotiating a two-year or three-year contract."

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:38 am EST

Stevie.....way too many......I still remember the Guy Lafleur first game as a NY Ranger.....it was opening night @ MSG.......and Guy took the puck from behind the Rangers goal line.....and skated through 4 guys with whatever was left of those golden locks flowing in the NYC air like an angel.......he gets 1 on 1 with the goalie.....and the goalie made the save......When the ref blew the whistle....all of the fans stood up and gave him a standing ovation......

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:35 am EST

Can't say I'm surprised about the IK rumors already starting. There's no way the Rangers are going into the season with a bunch of kids for a rebuild. There will be a lot of kids, no doubt, but this is a business and you need players to sell tickets. IK fits the bill. He'll score some goals and maybe he and Buch (and maybe Namestnikov!) make beautiful borscht together! HOSPO- I agree that maybe hiring a high risk European guy would be a move for a total rebuild with youth, but it would be interesting. 'd be excited to see someone like that coach, but I think we'll have a retread. My bet is someone like Bylsma or maybe even RUFF gets the shot with MSL as one of the coaches.

ColoradoMark


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:34 am EST

Bubba Beck is on FB....currently, he is in better shape than all the NY Rangers dmen.....especially Brendan Smith......he went to live in Hong Kong years ago and probably shot the puck into 1000's of Asian women there....

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:31 am EST

trade how many have the nyr signed like that over the last 30 + years, either over the hill or mercenary retirement contracts ?????.....they cornered the market on way too many bad roster decisions....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:28 am EST

Thats funny, RF4L! .......If I was with u...I woulda told Marcel the story of the day he was traded to the NYR's......I was in high school and on the trade deadline days (well before the interwebs and cell phones).....we would go to the payphone and call 976-1313 which was sports phone....it cost 50 cents.....and it took about 8 dollars in quarters through out the day trying to find the next over the hill former superstar the Rangers traded for......and I do remember Marcel being announced

tradestar28


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:25 am EST

what's a fishboy fillet to do ?....when and where is his interview today ?

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:25 am EST

pete and repeat..........Igor Eronko ‏Verified account @IgorEronko Per source Ilya Kovalchuk is set to sign at 2-3 year deal with #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 8:17 am EST

Ok. The 2017-2018 Texas Pick'em pool has officially ended. Even though there was a question about the Stanley Cup Winner the top 4 finishers all picked teams that didn't make the playoffs. In fact, everyone that actually picked a Cup winning team picked a team that didn't make the playoffs. AND THE WINNER IS.......[big fanfare]....................NYSTRANGER with 14 correct out of 33! Congratulations to NYSTRANGER for being the first official sole winner of the pool. The past two years there was a tie for the top spot. In second place with 13 correct was HELLSKITCHEN. And in 3rd place with 12 correct was BrotherRanger. Thanks again to everyone that participated! Full standings are here: (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20172018-pool-questions/)

Vic


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:42 am EST

That should be when SKA was eliminated. BTW the rumor started out as Kovalchuk wanted to play in the NHL for the next 2-3 years and then it morphed into being the NYR's.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:35 am EST

We're not on the verge of anything really. Kovalchuk can't be officially signed until July 1st (we can negotiate with him). The rumor popped up yesterday when SKA was cancelled, but only has been reported by Russian sources. Allegedly $6 MIL per on a 2-3 year deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:25 am EST

It's a funny thing about Kovalchuk for me........there was a time when this team was running good ,I wouldn't touch him with a 10 ft pole..............now.......bring him on, please.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:21 am EST

GG.......I agree with you 100% on Barry Beck.....one of my all-time favs..............

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:18 am EST

Looks like we're on the verge of signing Kovalchuk to a 2-3 year deal

Rdw


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:17 am EST

trade: LOL...I bought a Ranger coffee mug and he signed it, then I said thanks Marcel. Before then, tho, I started pointing out Rangers in that photo - he laughed and looked at my buddies and said 'does he have a Ranger emblem tattooed on his ass?'. LOL.

rF4l


Mon Apr 9 2018 7:15 am EST

Here comes Kovy....

kitchen1


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:44 am EST

https://www.msgnetworks.com/2018/04/07/whats-next-for-the-blueshirts/

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:43 am EST

Never understood the hard time Beck got in certain circles. I know people were disappointed he got hurt after such a big trade & the shoot the puck crap but he was one tough sob no one wanted to tangle with - and the guy could play both sides of the puck. Wish we had 3 of him right now, they're be no D problem & no toughness problem.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 9 2018 6:31 am EST

Can someone clarify this for me? Under the new CBA if AV is on the Rangers pay roll and is offered a coaching job with another team and excepts, the rangers are due a draft choice as compensation. Is that correct?

gene_carr


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:57 am EST

“Vigneault has two years remaining on his contract at over $8 million. If he is hired by another team during that time, as he most assuredly will be, that club would defray a negotiated portion of the salary.”....https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/alain-vigneault-strikes-a-more-thankful-tone-the-day-after-firing/

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:42 am EST

I’m sure messier is ready to be an nhl coach. After all, he did coach 13 year olds with his Dad. Maybe that’s why Wayne - arguably the greatest to ever play the game and with an extraordinary hockey IQ as a player, didn’t do well as a coach- never coached boys.

Puckyou


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:39 am EST

Hospo- I’ve seen that video a few times, remember watching it that night in 1981. Nicky grew up a few miles from me, I loved him running down in street clothes and hammering those guys who grabbed Hospodar, I also crack up listening to Chadwick, who was gushing when Beck jabbed chartraw down to the ice, and how excited he was when it escalated. Then he and Jim Gordon turn on a dime and start talking about what a disgrace it all is, and how “this sort of thing can set the game back 10 years!”. Hilarious

Puckyou


Mon Apr 9 2018 5:24 am EST

Wiosa the story went sather asked Messier to be the coach. And then hired veenyo instead.

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:30 pm EST

Depressing not checking the playoff schedule tonight to see when the Rangers start...Best time of year unless......Looking forward to the draft sucks.....

PJ


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:10 pm EST

RF4L - If you have ten minutes..here;s the brawl....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sMhos_Ixpk

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:09 pm EST

Just dawned on me that Msg probably won't pick up the option on the AV Squad.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:07 pm EST

RF4L.....did you call him Marcel? or Mr. Dionne? or Little Beaver?

tradestar28


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:57 pm EST

Wiosa, you made me think of just how divided I am on the idea of #11. On the one hand he is so unique, there's nobody like him & how in the world would you not want the benefit of his knowledge & leadership. On the flip side you reminded how disruptive he can be, which is akin to a category 5 hurricane. He wouldn't just angle for more ice, he physically would not come off until he wanted, he's just ignore Campbell yelling from the bench. And Campbell was clueless so maybe he wasn't wrong buf I don't see Gorton feeling he has the job security to entertain it, but that might not be entirely up to him either, so it wouldn't shock me.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:56 pm EST

Agreed Hospo. BTW, meant to post on here for you, 2 weeks ago the ball hockey boys went to a Buffalo/Chicago game (it was so bad half of us watched the 3rd period in the lounge) and made it an overnight thing. On the way home we had breakfast at Marcel Dionne's diner and he was there - he clears dishes and loves interacting with patrons. His restaurant is also an authorized NHL memorabilia outlet. He has an amazing collection of fabulous stuff. Our group sat right behind a great framed huge photo of Dionne fighting Ed Hospodar with the benches emptied - there has to be 20 players in that photo! It was the POs in 1981 and game 2 of the opening series (when it was 5 games). He was clearing some dishes and I called him over and started asking him about it and the game. He said he knew that Hospo (lol) was told to target him and just decided to respond. It was a crazy game he said, claims there were 17 fights alone in the game!!! LOL

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:53 pm EST

PJ - AV was a dead voice caoching for quite awhile...but GORDO was the one that rally failed miserably the past two years up till this deadline..Hopefully those moves will be the start of a turnaround that continues thsi summer..Consider me skeptical!

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:53 pm EST

DISGRACEFUL: I am pissed how AV was unceremoniously dumped by the NYR management after having one of the best runs in NYRs 90-year coaching history... AV had the NYRs at the brink of a Stanley Cup in both 2014 and 2015 and just wasnt able to get it done... NYRs were the team to beat in 15 and their team was decimated by injuries... I put the blame on Rick Nash, Marty St Louis, Hagelin more than AV... Gotta finish your open shots, plain and simple.... I especially blame Sather for some terrible trades, losing Stralman and wasting draft picks more than AV.. I get the fact the NYRs wanted a new voice and to start fresh.. but let AV go with some class... not cool!

schneidw


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:48 pm EST

The good news is AV is gone. The bad news is Bryan Trottier is sharpening his pencil.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:41 pm EST

You know the Panthers are pissed at the no effort the Rangers gave yesterday....Bruins are going to have a tough time with the Laughs.....

PJ


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:39 pm EST

AV knew he was out and did get in his parting shot to management...Basically saying I coached what you gave me too coach and in the end you blew it up....All the pressure on Gorton now but it was time for AV to go IMO....

PJ


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:35 pm EST

RF4L - Yes, very classy..Should have been fired 1-2 years ago..but three good years bfore that..Maybe he ends up back in Montreal? He'll be somewhere..unless he just wants to travel the world for a year

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:31 pm EST

Nice respectful words from AV...

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:30 pm EST

Rhet....this is good for the Rangers assuming all 3 clubs play to their skill level. Leafs are better than Boston and Tampa is better than the Leafs.

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:14 pm EST

Bruins lose. They only really half showed up. Good for us. That means we currently have the 8th, 28th and 29th pick in the 1st round(pre-Lottery).

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:07 pm EST

AV also briefly addressed the firing via Twitter, with a message (Jeff Gorton, Douche bag) that was quickly deleted.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:00 pm EST

GG......Thanks

Melvillefred


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:54 pm EST

Statement From Alain Vigneault.... I would like to thank the New York Rangers management - Mr. James Dolan, Glen Sather and Jeff Gorton - for allowing me the privilege to coach the Rangers. I spent five wonderful years in New York and I want to express my gratitude to all the coaches, players and staff that I worked with during that period of my life. The Rangers have an incredible fan base and I will cherish many special moments, especially our trip to the Stanley Cup Finals. The Rangers are going in a different direction, I respect that and I wish them all the best. Thus far in my coaching career I am very grateful that I have had the privilege to work with three great organizations - Vancouver, and two Original Six teams with New York and Montreal. I have great respect for everyone in the media but for now please understand that I don't intend to comment any further, as I will regroup with my family. Thank you everyone for a great ride and life-lasting memories. --AV

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:02 pm EST

cup not cut

Wiosa


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:02 pm EST

Hiya Newfie {{waving}}. For me it started when Messier was pulling strings for ice time, even though he truly was on the decline, and should've dropped down. He demanded first line, and he really made life difficult for Soupy - not that I was crazy about Campbell, but he was the coach. Then he went to Vancouver and really pulled a lot of crap that truly soured me on the man. Coming back to NY, he felt the job of Head Coach was his - he left the organization because he didn't get it. Why would he think - with absolutely no coaching experience under his belt that he should be handed the Coaching job for the NY Rangers. Don't forget we were trying for the cup then. His entire attitude rotted. Yes we would not have won the cut without him, and I'm eternally grateful or that, but in the words of Neil Smith "how long are we supposed to pay for that cup?". He would be a no nonsense coach, but I also believe he would not bring out the best in a finesse player - it's slamming to the wall or your out. He had a reputation of making life difficult for players who did not play as physical as he did - with one exception #99.

Wiosa


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:43 pm EST

Keefe was a Ranger for a minute apparently.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:31 pm EST

Bring me a coach that will play tough in front of the net. Not leave guys all alone in front of the net. Bring me a coach that puts their play in their own end first. Bring me a coach that can hold the average shots on goal to 30 or less.

Bob


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:58 pm EST

CM - Count me out on both Gronberg (??) and Sturm..Unless the Rangers are looing towards a 3-5 year rebuild..then who cares what choice you make with the coach??...I dont think they are, even if it likely turns out that way..I think both those candidates are just too much of a risk for a team that wants to rebuild/retool quickly to contend in the NHL..why Ihink the coach will have more reent ties to the NHL..That being said, I could see a Dolan and Sather tkaing a chance on a emotional/motivational Martin St, Louis with a real soild steady assistant coach...eh, who the eff knows..

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:55 pm EST

Hip- I knew this was gonna bring you outta hiding ;). They better stay away from that douchebag from Carolina too; another excuse me/ pardon me sir, I’ll hit you with my purse, sack-less bastard. Win or lose I want some heart god dammit. Speaking of with an early teens pick, another guy I would love for the Rangers to target is Joe Veleno. Plays with a lot of heart and isn’t afraid to run into people eventhough he’s not the biggest guy in the world. Has nice hands and is a shiftless skater eventhrough he looks like he’s always on the edge of losing control. I think his offensive game is just scratching the surface, especially if he could improve his skating a little and I think he will as he gets stronger. I see a little bit of Vinny Lecalvalier in him. Need guys like him on this team!

_Arc


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:54 pm EST

Hipcheck I agree with that feeling. I remember first week he repeated that fed original six so many times I already felt queasy. Then he said at camp he didn't watch video & familiarize himself and we were not off to a good start.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:34 pm EST

Arthur Staple ‏Verified account @StapeAthletic 1h1 hour ago #Isles announced earlier that co-owner Jon Ledecky will speak tomorrow afternoon, followed by GM Garth Snow and coach Doug Weight.

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:33 pm EST

Jake they happened to play a tape of Marty st Louis in the locker-room doing so kind of group cheer when he was with the nyr. obviously he was a real leader on that TEAM. that's probably one of the main reasons....the nyr need a real leader, especially the younger guys....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:12 pm EST

Please no Marty St. Louis, never understood the Ranger fascination with him. Yeah, he scored a lot of goals for Tampa but if he is a candidate that would be a joke. From a coaching / development standpoint his only credential is he lives in Greenwich Ct. say no to Marty and Mess

Jake0104


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:08 pm EST

I enjoyed all the winning, but I never, EVER liked Vigneault. He never felt like a Ranger, always an outsider. Whistle to whistle & turn the other cheek are his legacy imo. Totally disgraceful. He brought shame to our team... his family should be embarrassed. GTFOutta' Here!!!

hipcheck


Sun Apr 8 2018 4:45 pm EST

Fred I just made a remark about the NYR looking like a devatation scene from a movie, and I mistook the location.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 4:43 pm EST

Gggg av has an upper and lower body injury

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 4:15 pm EST

Ruff and Arniel must go. You can’t keep anyone other than Allaire.

ColoradoMark


Sun Apr 8 2018 4:06 pm EST

"AV, it's Larry (Brooks). Any truth to this rumour Gorton sent you a fish wrapped in butcher paper? With two whistles around it's neck? Silence. Sorry, was trying for a little levity. I'm sure you're hurting.""I don't know Larry, I haven't talked to Rammer yet." Click.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 4:06 pm EST

Geology....can you explain the Nazi comment......I’m old and I don’t think I get it.

Melvillefred


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:59 pm EST

Glad that AV is gone. I didn’t hate the guy, and he clearly has to be remembered as one of the most successful coaches in Rangers history, he had to go. Before the 2004 lockout, the Rangers were the retirement home for lazy has beens. Then Renney and the Czech’s brought us back to respectability. Torts made us proud of the black and blueshirts until his ego and desire to have the system be the story made the team as boring as the trap-era Devils and wearing our players down to nothing by the time the playoffs came around. AV was a breath of fresh air, allowing creactivity and rolling 4 lines. His playoff performances got worse each year and it became clear he no longer had the team. I don’t want a retread. No to Sutter, Tippett, Trotz or anyone we’ve had before. No to Dallas Eakins redux Sheldon Keefe. A college coach might be interesting, but I’ve already mentioned I think Sturm would be an inspired choice and I can’t say I’m not intrigued by Gronnberg (The Swedish guy). I like his philosophy and I’d like to see anything different than the same old same old.

ColoradoMark


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:57 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Regarding the Rangers, who may have to wait to interview intriguing coach option. https://nyp.st/2HhRac6 via @nypostsports

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:23 pm EST

My game review before the big news of the night: Just because of who he is and what he means to the organization, at the end of every single season, what Henrik Lundqvist says is more important than what happened. And Saturday was no different, as the Rangers left him hung out to dry (again) in a non-competitive 5-0 loss to the Flyers, which put Philadelphia into the playoffs and eliminated Florida. It also turned out to be the final game of Alain Vigneault’s tenure as Rangers coach, but Lundqvist didn’t know that yet (or at least we don’t know whether he knew that yet). “I don’t know,” he began. “It’s hard to say how I feel right now. Obviously, we knew this was going to be the last game [he’d never experienced that before]… “You know, the last couple of weeks we had some time to think about this season and try to figure out what went wrong a little bit and analyze. The first half, it felt really good. I felt as good...

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:20 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 3h3 hours ago #NYR Season Ticket Members finding their names on the dashers @TheGarden. #NYRSalute

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:18 pm EST

Bring out the clean slate

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:13 pm EST

"AV, it's Torts, heard your message. Yeah I remember we swapped jobs last time. But this time, I think I'll pass."

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 3:02 pm EST

Well it can’t be Poland because they can’t make ice..... they lost the recipe....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 2:59 pm EST

"AV, it's J.T.. just wanted you to know, I'm ready to move to center now lol"

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 2:54 pm EST

"AV, it's Hank. Just wanted to say sor.." Click. "Vieiile reine."

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 2:39 pm EST

I reiterate my position; if the place is overrun with nazis, it might as well be Germany! Ha...

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 2:23 pm EST

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/winter-olympics-2018/2018/02/10/2018-winter-olympics-german-hockey-coach-wants-take-shot-coaching-nhl/325897002/

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 2:22 pm EST

I don't see Messier being the next coach. Sather had the opportunity to bring him in before AV got the job and didn't really even consider him. IMO, you don't pay your dues, why should you get the job.... Darryl Sutter would be okay I guess, but he really doesn't do much for me. We could do worse. He says he would consider a rebuilding team but I suspect he is really looking for a more veteran one.... Barry Trotz does not seem to be able to get the job done in the postseason. I expect the Caps to again suck in the postseason and for him to be looking for a job in the postseason. I would not be interested in him. I could see Washington then going after Sutter or AV as their next head coach.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:59 pm EST

so no suter no messier, ok they both have my vote....that's what walls are for...E you were a veenyo fan when they picked him, so not listening to you this time.....2 cups means experience.....assvipe had 2 cups...of coffee and Scotch after his yes yes no doubt..coaches were the nyr best asset....now ass it....you're fired.....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:59 pm EST

Chris Johnston ‏ Verified account @reporterchris .... Why Rikard Grönborg could break the mold and become the NHL's next European-born coach:... https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/rikard-gronborg-nhls-first-european-head-coach-since-2001/

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:51 pm EST

MF - Screw the Ruskies...Look how well BUCH and Namestnikov played when they got together! Do not pander to them with a coaching choice..They either play for the coach whoever it is..or shoi their ass out....And, first we had Sgt Schultz, now we have Arte Johnson's Laugh-In Wolfgang??? That's what happens when GG confuses Poland for Germany..:)

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:39 pm EST

Dark horse coaching possibility: Barry Trotz. Contract expiring after these playoffs, Washington hasn’t initiated negotiations as they want to see how the team performs in the playoffs. If they do well, he’s swinging the hammer in negotiations. If they don’t, then he’ll be free to go......

newman


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:36 pm EST

WIOSA/E............wiosa ,nice to see your name on here again !....now let's get down to business............can you remind me once again what is this serious back lash against Mess ? I'm serious, I don't get it. Is there something I'm missing ? Not saying that I want him behind the bench either,just asking .

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:34 pm EST

Keefe is the 3rd name out there from the guys, but i wont pretend to know anything about those guys, it's a real box of chocolate.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:33 pm EST

Messier talk is classic. Like the Flyer fans down here years ago screaming for one of the bullies. So they tried Holmgren and Barber. That worked. Or the Phillies, with Bowa. Same. Maybe we can exhume the guy who said "if you can't beat 'em in the alley ..." So then Pierre McGuire can say yeah the opposition is zooming past the NYR but they're sure 'tough to play against.' Other teams manage to find non-retreads: Colorado, Philly. Maybe we can actually do that and not refight the 'wars' of the past. As for d-zone play, there's no law that says you can't cover the slot and still use guys who can make the good fast pass out of the zone, which today's game demands.

Nick


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:01 pm EST

If messier gets the job its sather meddling, so it could happen

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:58 pm EST

Really ?!? Very in-tah-res-ting...

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:52 pm EST

If AV coaches somewhere else next season(which is possible), the NYR will be off the hook for his extension.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:51 pm EST

What a waste of $$$ and poor timing that contract extension was...http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/18591051/new-york-rangers-sign-alain-vigneault-2-year-contract-extension

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:49 pm EST

RangerLou: The New York Rangers on Tuesday signed coach Alain Vigneault to an extension through the 2019-20 season that would make him the third highest-paid coach in the league. A source told ESPN's Pierre LeBrun that Vigneault's new deal is worth a little more than $4 million per season, which would place him behind only Toronto's Mike Babcock and Chicago's Joel Quenneville among the highest-paid coaches. According to the source, Vigneault will make $4 million next season and in 2018-19, and $4.25 million for the 2019-20 season.

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:42 pm EST

WIOSA: I knew the name of Messier was going to start popping up soon enough. Buckle your safety belt. I threw up in my mouth just for even mentioning NOT hiring Messier. I would have his name stricken from Ranger fan lexicon completely in a way that no one in their right mind names a kid Bertha, or Elmer.

E


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:35 pm EST

All I know is anything but Sutter. He had his San Jose Sharks ground into neutral when he was there. Always playing not to lose. His LAKings team just kept the puck on the boards and ground you out depending on the best defenseman in the game and an elite young goalie. He likes a physical game, and big bodies but his teams are just brutally slow and his teams were the swan song on that style of play. Personally? I want a team that plays like Carslyle or Boudreau coached teams play. Quick, fast, and heavy. Aggressive teams.

E


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:34 pm EST

How many years is Veenyo was left in his contract and how much per year????

rangerlou


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:33 pm EST

With all these potential Ruuskee's, they may have to change the menu at MSG to include Pierogi's, and Borscht with Sour Cream.... Yum Yum..... Slava Voynov? A RHS Defenseman, has he done his time? Would he be welcomed back to North America? Rumor has it that he that his wife was camped out in the crease blocking his goaltender and he just thought he was doing his job... GG, can you substantiate that rumor? OLA: good argument to ponder moving Shattenkirk.... BTW Shatt & Smith = $11mill in Cap obligations for the next 3 years, that's ballpark TAVERAS money.......

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:09 pm EST

HOSPO, agreed he lost the team and his ability to "make lemonade" (when life hands you lemons). I don't see him as a Rebuild Coach either, and it certainly looks like we're going that route. I'm not that impressed with Gordon, but of course Sather still has his paws in everything - he really needs to go. Not sure where we're headed, but I truly believe it cant get that much worse. Again NO MESSIER

wiosa


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:05 pm EST

Let's get Igor Shestyorkin signed!!! ....per Szymon Szemberg ‏ @Sz1909_Szemberg ...... Major KHL upset; CSKA Moscow defeats SKA St. Petersburg in SF, six games. 2/3 of the Russian Olympic team was from SKA, including Kovalchuk, Datsyuk and Voynov. Grigorenko gets OT-winner, he also had late equalizer.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 11:30 am EST

not a huge fan of AV but he had a good run, let's not ignore the fact there has not been a star forward on this team for many years... not really a #1 defenseman, either. But he's responsible for a consistently pourous defensive system, mostly a shit power play for YEARS plus the passive, total lack of grit style... time to go.

Gibbo


Sun Apr 8 2018 11:26 am EST

Moofman put it on the coacherator setting

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 11:24 am EST

If gorton hears a hoo wants nhl experience itll be sutter or tippett i bet

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 8 2018 11:04 am EST

All Wallsters have a free subscription to, "The Traderator!" .....

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:54 am EST

2 ring sutter might be who fishboy likes..i'm pretty sure sutter knows what's needed in today's nhl without assuming the veenyo/buttman stance......then fishboy has to tailor his roster to give the coach the best chance to succeed ....he bent over for assvipe and got it stuck up there....today's lesson....one track mindset of speed , kills...and sutter is fairly comical deadpan when interviewed....no more it was a hard fought game, we had some good looks, our goalie gave us a chance to win, but at the end of the day we couldn't get it done......should have been i fucked up the players, it was my fault we lost....etc etc...

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:51 am EST

Could imagine a retread like Sutter.....how about Drury?? That's gotta be a long shot.

melvillefred


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:46 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Gorton will hold press conference tomorrow morning.

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:39 am EST

E - I have no clue where they will be going with the new coach...will it be recycled vet (Sutter)? Will it be a deveelopmental coach with only AHL or college experience? Will it be a fromer Player with little experience who can communicate with the players? Don't know..But it will show whic hway the Rangers are heading this summer

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:35 am EST

Everything is just gonna be a re-hash of what's been on here for months..Fat Boy Carpinelo saying his expiration date was finaly reached? Damn, His expiration date and voice was over two years ago...But who stated with him..Who two years of incompetnet off season? two years of incompetent roster building? a huge failuer of his "rebuild on the fly"..Yes, the jester is gone but the clown, and everything he did, remains! Can he change..We'll see..

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:35 am EST

Stevie: none of those coaches do anything for me. Tippett is a veteran heavy coach who has an abysmal record as coach. Sutter is a fossil who LA exhaled when he left. His grinding on the wall approach is not compatible with the direction of the game. Bylsma lived off one cup win with two of the best centers in the game. Roy is unhinged. I could go on and on. I don’t know the college coaches well enough and that’s a bad thing because I watch a lot of hockey. Admittedly, no college coaches have a Krzyzewski kind of aura or rep. You need a young developmental mind. A new school guy. Or at least an old school guy who thinks hockey new school. Maybe a Todd McLellan once he’s freed up from that debacle in Edmonton. Who know? I think the only common thing in all of this is right now there is no elite coach with a developmental tradition and resume that lets you know the team is in good hands. Instead you’re more likely to end up with a Dallas Eakins type of guy. Younger, good mind, success at lower levels, failed his first time on the big stage but the upside is well known. A guy like Eakins have a bright coaching career when they finally tap his shoulder. But then you also have the current staff. Arniel and what not.

E


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:30 am EST

I think the NYR have to be careful not to eradicate all their veterans so as to become a team no decent free agent would consider. The problem now is the high value free agents ( Kovy, Tavares, Carlson) are not going to be tempted by this roster. There isn’t much meat on the bone here.i realize the draft/off season is huge for next year, and the devils showed us it’s possible to rebuild with a few key moves (a one-sided trade being the key), and I can only hope Gorton has a few aces up his sleeve. By the way, of course JT wasn’t coming here of all places next year even before the deadline exodus.

Puckyou


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:29 am EST

So for grins I looked at some lmock drafts....one has at number 90 the Rangers taking a kid named Courtis Douglas....LW....all 6’8” 232 pounds of him....good gawd....what are they feeding these kids today!! LOL

Wildcard


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:25 am EST

Cant blame it all on AV you do need players to win Pitts/LA/Chicago all had PLAYERS. In any case whistle to whistle only works in Baseball.

vcp1994


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:22 am EST

Here is the thing. If they had retained AV, and kept him around a few more seasons, likely he would have more winning seasons than losing ones. He would likely have a good playoff run in there....he is a good coach...hell he is tied for 10th all time in wins...top 30 all time winning percentage (minimum 100 games coached) so it’s not like he is some hack. I just think that he is not the prefect guy for what the Rangers are doing. I feel like a younger coach who can grow with the team and build something “special” with the young players would be ideal. I will be really upset if it’s Sutter or Bylsma or another retread...I want fresh and new with new ideas and energy, not someone trying to reclaim past glory and proving they still have what it takes. That’s just my humble opinion of course

Wildcard


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:16 am EST

Stevie- I just don’t see the pics themselves being enough of an enticement for those teams picking up near the top. Those teams are already generally speaking flush with really good young players and I don’t think they are looking for Qty over Quality. What they may want is established point producers and acing a proven 50-60pt guy FOR THEM might outweigh a potential 60-80pt guy (which is what I consider both Zadina and Tkachuk to be) albeit different type of player. This is the Rangers dealing from a position of strength and these 50-60pt guys don’t grow on trees and provided they already have an elite type guy (Eichel, McDavid, etc) a nice secondary scorer to anchor the second line would donyounwonders

_Arc


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:16 am EST

rf that's what the wall is for....hopefully the crapitals fail again, and want to trade ovie....he's better than getting jt et al.....hanky might even renegotiate a lower contract to get him, and not have to deal with him as an opponent in his face trash talking him .. gggg and nick et al would have half a parade....lol.....the most important pick now for fishboy fillet is the right coach.....i'm pretty sure he's been researching candidates since the beginning of this season if not sooner....but he deserves some punishment for giving assvipe a 2 year extension....he might have changed although highly doubtful to the habnot beat-down approach if he was a lame duck....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 10:02 am EST

stevie: I respectively disagree. I think anyone on the Rangers team is available, albeit some are more vulnerable than others. I think Gorton won't be looking to trade any of his prized prospects but all established Rangers are available I suspect. I'm not suggesting that everyone will be moved but he'll be open to moving any of those guys if he likes the return. I think he'll have casual conversations with both Staal and Lundqvist on their openness to waiving their NMCs - of course, both if even remotely interested, will be told to provide Gorton with a list of teams they might consider moving to. I think any of Shatty, MZA, Hayes, Kreider, Z, SKjei, Name, Spooner, and Fast could be moved. Of that list, probably no more than 3 because some continuity and veteran presence is required. Other than Spooner, I think if any go it likely won't be in an attempt to move up the draft or acquire additional picks; instead, it'll before young, established players. I don't believe all his work ended at the deadline...

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:41 am EST

I don’t think fishboy is trading any so called vets on the nyr but he will trade up with his picks and prospects to get to #1-3 in the draft. And probably trade up again after that. He needs to get quality not quantity preferably guys that can step in next season whether from day 1 or anytime before the next trading deadline. His priorities need to be the nhl team first then Hartford and below. This retoolbuild needs to be as quick as possible with a coach who is able and willing to work with him, not blame him. The only guys he will trade are ufas and rfas who don’t give him a home team discount. .... the goal should be a TEAM that can play hockey with grit and stick together by playing follow the leader from the coach to the captain and assistant captains ...they don’t need guys like selfish jitters even though he was good..... 60 minutes balls to the walls and thru the walls .... no more excuses.... take no prisoners...

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:21 am EST

I am extremely happy the pacifist is gone, maybe we wil begin to enjoy watching NY Ranger hockey again. I do not think it will take Gorton too much time to find a replacement. I am sure he has been thinking about this for awhile and already has his 5 top candidates in mind. As long as it’s not Ruff or Arneil...will be a fun summer that’s for sure.

steve443c10


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:17 am EST

Arc: I posted on here a few days ago musing about a possible trade with Buffalo. If they don't win the lottery, they may be open to moving down. Their GM has publicly stated while a tear-down isn't in the cards, some changes most definitely are given yet another pathetic year. He talked about adding leadership to his team. Perhaps something like MZA and the 8th overall pick for the 2nd or 3rd (because they can only drop 2 spots I believe if they lose the lottery) would work? Or at least, perhaps there's a trade there of some kind.

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 9:06 am EST

So the important question this am; Who is a candidate to trade down with us at the draft???? I think the answer is two part; There are some perpetually rebuilding teams who have their front offices by the shorthairs who may be interested in good young roster players that could help them (as opposed to MORE developmental guys who would be 2-3 years away from really contributing) and there are teams that think they grossly ‘underperformed’ last year and think with some strategic additions they can contend right away this year! Also depends on how much the other teams really value the young roster players the rangers do have. I think Hayes, Ziba, Krieder prob have the most value to get this done followed by Zucc, Stinky, Spooner, Butch, Fast. I think it’s fair to expect one from each group to be gone to relieve the glut up front (of ‘like’ players. I hope Hayes and Butch aren’t it (since they have the most upside imo) but a combination of Ziba and a late 1 and a 3rd might get you into the top 10? ThoughtS?

_Arc


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:49 am EST

Holy crepes what wonderful news to wake up to!!! As I’ve said many times in the past, I have no problem with AV’s XO’s- Infact I think he is prob one of the best overall that we’ve seen over the last couple of decades. I don’t even mind his defensive philosophy; if you have an elite level goalie and are allocating elite level resources to him, YOUVE GOTTA ‘use’ HIM!!! by that I mean you don’t necceserily play risk averse on the back end (and sacrifice offensive production) just to give him shots that ****ANY***** goalie can save!!!! But what I couldn’t stand is the lifeless turn the other cheek robotic crap that seemed to lead to apathetic performances. Guys NEVER had each other’s backs (I’ve played on teams like that although at beer league levels but I think I’m this case it translates) and every time our guys got run, they would come out with their tails between their legs and the results followed. I don’t really care for stages fights but you better stand up for your brothers when they get cheep shot at least. So inspite of all this winning, the emotion on the ice was completely non existent and the garden crowd reflected this. Ultimately I think that’s what did it for Gorton. It’s never a good sign when the coach puts half the paying customers (and even more of us at home) TO FRIGGIN SLEEP!!!!

_Arc


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:40 am EST

Shatty reminds me so much of Brad Richards. Brad Richards was like a year older when we got him than Shatty is now — but the league has become a lot faster the last decade and players last a shorter time. When we got Richards everyone trying to put reasonable expectations on him were told, check the stats, he is not only a top 3 center but a top 3 player in this league. After his first year it was like — ‘give him another year’. Like a month into his second season — we couldn’t have traded him even if we retained money and threw in a 1st or whatever. If Shatty’s contract was the only one that risked becoming an anchor on the blueline it would have been one thing. But we already have 14 million wasted between Staal, Girardi and Smith over the coming THREE years. We won’t get rid of those 14 million before the start of the 21/22 season. If Shatty gets another nagging injury, struggles being exposed with zero support on a tanking team — he becomes untradeable over night. That is not even up for debate, nobody is taking on fishy contracts. Look at Smith, I was never a fan but thought, I am sure he could be traded since everyone won’t Ds, low risk. 7 weddings later we end up wasting a ton of money every season for 4 straight year. That is a HUGE disaster. If the above happens it puts us with close to 21m per wasted PER YEAR until the start of he 21/22 season (20/21 we save 2mil on Gs buyout). Chicago is said to not be able to compete since they have 20m ties up on Toews and Kane. We would have more than that 100% wasted on worthless Ds if Shatty for some reason don’t work out on a tanking team, slow down, get some nagging injury etc.

Ola


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:36 am EST

As predicted and expected but nonetheless, a sense of relief for me that it got done. And I maintain my belief that the decision to let him go was made when the decision to rebuild/retool/re_whatever_this_is was made. AV's post game/post season rant was to me, an indication he knew it was coming and puffed out his chest in response. Only a fool wouldn't have at least a strong indication in his shoes - just approach your boss, look him in the eye, and ask 'Am I part of this rebuild going forward?' Gorton's answer surely would have been either 'no' or 'our decision will be made at the end of the season', the latter being basically the same as the former. All in all, I say good riddance - he went 2 years past his shelf life in my books.

rF4l


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:20 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/ten-candidates-who-could-become-rangers-next-coach/

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:16 am EST

And again somewhere this morning, JT is smiling lol

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 8:05 am EST

Well if it's truly a fresh start refresh whatever, and there were pretty obviously some differences between the brass & coach, then this was another necessary step, but nothing more imwo. I just don't share the bloodthirst with AV who was a decent guy & history will reflect was one of the most successful coaches we've had. What'll get lost in the obits about how he never won is how he was never really given a championship quality team. Not really. MSL who Brooks insists on mentioning again (which worried me if he's thinking of coaching) was a GHOST of the player he was, as was Bucky sucky Richards. That team had sizeable holes. So, we are where we are. You want a young team get a positive hard charging young coach who can teach & grow this whole thing together. This is Gortons baby now and if he botches it I'll be on him like white on fuckin rice, I will single handedly take him down or die trying. Yrah, I know, you keep thinking I can't lol.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:41 am EST

rinse and repeat and rinse....."the biggest thing I kept taking away was him saying he could only coach the players he had. That, to me, seemed like it was more of an announcement around the league that the struggles the Rangers faced this season weren't "his" fault ...".....it wasn't the planes that killed kong, it was beauty that killed the beast.......try winning a fight with 1 hand tied behind your back.....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:36 am EST

Adam Rotter: I had felt that it was really 50/50 on whether Vigneault would stay and while I'm not surprised the Rangers have decided to move on, the late Saturday night announcement was a little strange. It will be denied when asked, but I would think that Vigneault's post game comments played a role in the timing. This was a planned and calculated statement on Vigneault's part and while the big takeaway from most was the defense of his record and time, the biggest thing I kept taking away was him saying he could only coach the players he had. That, to me, seemed like it was more of an announcement around the league that the struggles the Rangers faced this season weren't "his" fault but instead part of the Rangers decision to sell and go young........https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/alain-vigneault-fired-as-head-coach-of-the-rangers/271286274

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:31 am EST

It was time for AV to go but if Luongo and King Ringless stop a few critical pucks and Nash buries a few, he’s a two-time Cup winner and all of his supposed terrible character flaws become less important. And winning puck battles beats face-washing and post-whistle shove-scrums.

Nick


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:31 am EST

another repeat gloat....Sat Apr 7 2018 11:10 am EST GGGG as far as i'm concerned assvipe should be the victim of the imperfect storm....everyone else has paid voluntarily and involuntarily....he has to pay for it with his job....fair or unfair....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:23 am EST

I did hear A.V. & Hank grumbled as they passed each other in the hallway yesterday. Hank in Swedish said he should have played the other 19, A.V. in French said Vieille Reinne (old queen) LOL.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:19 am EST

Regarding AV, I was also perplexed by his post-game monologue/sales pitch. I mean, putting all the brunt on the shoulders of the players and not showing ANY sense of accountability?? Really?? After his peculiar soliloquy (spelling?) I was thinking that if Gorton hangs on to this guy after those words, then I have to truly question if this "rebuild" is for real. That said, Brooksie's article on 10 possible candidates does pose a lot of questions (and a few laughs). Proven veteran coach or up and comer? Haven't given it much thought. However, I do believe that the sooner the better on making a decision on this one. Btw, I know it's a long shot, but I'm pulling for Florida tonight so that the Bruins face the Leafs in the first round instead of the Devils. Better chance of an upset IMO against the Leafs, and that moves our 1st round pick from the Bs up quite a few places.

jratelle19


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:13 am EST

Had AV had the stones - or the permission - to rotate I wouldn't have had near the gripes I do. Any one of those guys would have outplayed Hank over time, because he can't go long anymore. And I mean rotate into the early rounds. We beat Ottawa last year with Raanta, zero doubt in my mind.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:13 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted The Athletic The Athletic @TheAthleticNYC · 6h Coaches have expiration dates and Alain Vigneault's time was up. @RickCarpiniello weighs in on the Rangers' decision to dismiss their head coach. ......”Time was up. Coaches have expiration dates and Alain Vigneault’s was up. Just hours removed from their season finale, a non-competitive 5-0 loss in Philadelphia Saturday, Rangers GM Jeff Gorton fired Vigneault. It was a good time to do it, because if you’re going to start over – and the Rangers surely are – then start over. Get a new voice, a new system, a new direction, a new communicator. Gorton needed to determine whether or not Vigneault was the right man to rebuild, with so many young players on his final roster, and so many more who will be banging on the door in training camp. Yeah, there were issues, too. The team’s play in its own end the most critical of them. That’s something that didn’t just happen since the trade deadline. It’s been a crumbling tower of sand since the middle of the 2015-16 season. This year it was worse, or worst. When Henrik Lundqvist was hung out to dry in Philadelphia Saturday, it was the 13th time...”

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 7:07 am EST

Gggg I assume your sacred cow is hanky. A good coach will rotate goalies until they lose and eventually will pick who’s his #1... without Healy 1994 probably wouldn’t have happened....you need two to tango.... the last 2 # 2’s are now #1’s with other teams.... remember how hanky got to be #1....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:59 am EST

That wasn't an AV speech it was a commercial; he knew he'd be looking for a job. And if Gorton is such a hardass let's see him spear the Sacred Cow. Cause this doesn't impress me at all.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:58 am EST

Rangers jumping Edmonton I am going to assume its a 6% chance at number 1 and 19% top 3. ?????

shonuff


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:51 am EST

Hogan's Heroes (1965–1971). Schultz, constantly encountering evidence that the inmates of his stalag were planning mayhem, frequently feigned ignorance with the catchphrase, "I see nothing! I hear nothing! I know nothing!" (or, more commonly as the series went on, "I know nothing, nothing!").

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:34 am EST

Pete and repeat ...Sat Apr 7 2018 8:48 pm EST Sorry but this coach almost never got this team in his 5 years to overachieve . And hardly any players did that or even par of the expectations they had for them . His narcissistic and egotistical self evaluation basically tells you all you need to know . He knows everything already in his mind and he has no room to grow or improve. He doesn’t make mistakes. It’s always the roster. Who makes the roster? The gm so he’s pointing his finger at fishboy. Fishboy needs to point him to the exit door. And he’ll find something wrong with the door and the exit sign. His record after December is inexcusable with basically the same roster up to the end of December. He will throw anybody and everybody under the bus before ever taking responsibility. That is not a good leadership quality. Guess he has his own definition of leadership. He’s dead wrong . He only wants to take credit, and that’s a flaw that he will never correct. His speech proves that. That was the beginning of his trottier letter. He can give that to the next gm that hires him. I’ve heard and seen way too much to come to any other conclusion. If fishboy doesn’t see it , than they deserve each other.....in their failures ... ......Sat Apr 7 2018 9:01 pm EST To say yes yes without a doubt implies fishboy told him that. I doubt fishboy told him that. Time for a gomer Pyle surprise surprise surprise!

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:31 am EST

Those 2 picks are more my hopes. .... and one more time.... THANK YOU FISHBOY!

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 6:29 am EST

My 2 picks are Las Vegas for the Cup and sutter for the new head coach of the nyr. He has 2 rings to prove he knows what it takes to go all way, TWICE! .... and remember who one of them was against.....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:50 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsBByTiKfyY

RF73


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:49 am EST

Gggg if the new coach believes in playing blacknblue the players will follow his lead. And those who don’t or won’t be probably be gone. The nyr proved they could in the playoffs last year. And the coach didn’t embrace that style of play in the next series and this year. And fishboy will get guys to play that way. It’s called hockey. It’s how a TEAM is created instead of a team of individuals not watching each other’s backs. And physically pounding their opponents to wear them down and get possession of the puck in every zone. ..... can you hear the footsteps? .... I’ll surmise that hanky and many others let their opinions be known to fishboy and sather , to give that extra push out the revolving doors....that resume speech was a disgrace....not one mea cupa not an ounce of taking responsibility. Good leadership takes responsibility no mater who or what caused the problems.....and as a parting shot captain mcdoodie parmenter followed av’s lead to a tee....he never dropped his gloves.... or really stuck up for his teammates on or off the ice....that’s why av picked him and kept him captain....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:45 am EST

"But there had been noticeable slippage over the past three seasons — during which goaltenders Henrik Lundqvist, Antti Raanta and Ondrej Pavelec were under constant stress to produce magnificently in order to give the team a chance to win. Defensive zone play was relentlessly chaotic, whether the blue line featured six veterans or four neophytes. The front of the net was ceded long ago. The same goal, from an uncovered opponent in front while both defensemen were chasing the same puck-carrier in the corner or behind the net, must have been scored 300 times the past three years. Under Vigneault’s system, which he insisted he always had adjusted according to a team’s personnel, the defensemen, though, were not always the soul or primary culprits. Backchecking forwards’ presence in the defensive zone had largely become an optional operation beginning with 2015-16, a year that might soon fondly be remembered as the good old days. So there was that dramatic decline in the D-zone and neutral zone. But the problem was larger than that. Over time, slowly but surely, the Rangers assumed a very passive nature. Easy to play against. Cast in Vigneault’s image, who remains a true believer in turning the other cheek rather than going eye for an eye. It’s not quite right that the Blueshirts were bullied, but they rarely sought vengeance when abused. The night of Feb. 3 in Nashville, when both Marc Staal and Jimmy Vesey were targeted by head shots without a response, served as an example of the issues stirring since at least the 2015 conference finals, when Vigneault chastised Chris Kreider for stepping up for Ryan McDonagh (and picking up an extra minor) in Game 6 when the captain was run by Steven Stamkos. It was that way in Vancouver, too, in 2011 when the Canucks for the most part stood by and depended on their power play while the Bruins bullied them in the seven-game defeat in the Cup finals that haunts the coach to this day. But the Rangers hadn’t become only passive on the ice. That had become their nature. They have not come close to replacing the spiritual leadership and work ethic provided by and insisted upon by Martin St. Louis. Vigneault’s belief in leaving the room to the leaders works if the team has strong-willed veterans. It falls short, however, for a team filled with youngsters and veterans who are not necessarily natural born leaders."

RF73


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:38 am EST

Hallelujah!!!!!!!!!!!!

hipcheck


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:33 am EST

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-season-in-review-1.17910582

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 5:28 am EST

Perfect back page headline “AV GETS THE AX” ....https://mobile.twitter.com/joe_manniello/status/982833166380683264/photo/1

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:53 am EST

Trade, I love how Kreiders stepped up since he returned (he & AV no love lost; CK once said the trainers got shootouts before him lol). He gets the C I gotta think. Pretty much starting from scratch everywhere else. 4-5 forwards & about 2.5 D. It'll be fine, they've got loads of capital to build with. Arc I've read your draft pieces & totally defer, I can't keep up with amateurs like I used to. But if all Wahlstrom does it hit & shoot, I'll take it, if it comes to that. But if I'm a betting man right now Id guess we swindle AZ for their pick & maybe a player. Lets see if Gorton can deal besides TB, Az or his old team too.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:34 am EST

GG.....thank goodness that AV is gone....let the games begin! at the same time.....does this Rangers squad have one leader on it right now? I dont think so

tradestar28


Sun Apr 8 2018 1:27 am EST

Well I'm neither shocked nor saddened. I hope it portends better things, and a more rugged team certainly, but coaches/managers to me mostly keep the trains on time and little else. Bad ones can kill ya. A/V wasn't bad but he was often weird (no timeouts when your players are choking? Wtf is that?), he didn't rise to the big challenge, take a stand and bury the goddamn mummy - or fall on his sword in protest. So either he agreed or held his tongue and either are grounds for dismissal. I'm not gonna feel bad for a guy who pocketed $15M and penciled that inept sucker in loss after painful loss. Still, if you don't change these players, no coach is making them tougher, and no coach is stopping more pucks.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:33 am EST

What can you say? At least The Wallsters seem to get it current..... Time to farm through the prospects and cross our fingers for April 28th, Lottery determination day.... As for the SCF's, I'm rooting for Vegas, the Cinderella team....

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:31 am EST

I’m all on board with a new coach. Time to start over right from the top.

Nick


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:26 am EST

MF - NOW the media says it after the fact?..what a bunch of chickenshits most of them are

Hospo


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:23 am EST

ELBEE: https://nypost.com/2018/04/08/rangers-made-best-choice-by-changing-coach/

mf


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:17 am EST

Any NHL team looking to increase its concussion to non-retaliation ratio in a hurry truly benefitted by today's news.

punchrolfe


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:16 am EST

It’s funny. I never saw AV as a developmental coach. And history supports that. It isn’t to say that he hasn’t had some kids develop under him but as a body of work going back to Montreal he doesn’t have a great record. Tortorella for his worts was a good developmental coach. He got young players to push beyond what they were and into the mindset. But his game plan was just too stifling. He was taking away the teams speed. What AV inherited was a team that was turnkey. They needed the game plan. And AV had it. The way he wanted to play was right for the time with that roster. But it didn’t work. And the team never got back to those heights. And so, it was time. So far, since February and maybe even as far as last draft I’ve been pretty comfortable with most of the moves that Gorto has made. But this is the defining summer. Between now and July the New York Rangers will go thru the most consequential offseason in a long, long time. I’m looking forward to it. Also looking forward to all the arm chair GM’s who are going to be woefully dissatisfied with what happens next.

E


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:14 am EST

u can almost bet the house that if the Rangers did get #3 overall....they would take the Tkachuk kid.....just because he is the biggest baddest dog on the block......if that is the case......hopefully we dont queue up the Jessiman / Mcilrath pound puppy stories in 5 years

tradestar28


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:11 am EST

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl/pick_odds

tradestar28


Sun Apr 8 2018 12:00 am EST

Let's hope like last year's lottery, the 8th team going in moved up to 3

DOUBLEN


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:58 pm EST

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2018/

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:57 pm EST

8TH place in the draft going into the Lottery. F-ing Chicago!

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:54 pm EST

VAN - EDM tied at 2 after OT, now in the shoot out

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:54 pm EST

OILERS!

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:53 pm EST

Oilers win in shootout.

thedoc85


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:38 pm EST

Hell yeah!!! That was an emoji. Sorry

NV94


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:37 pm EST

I was done with AV during the head shot festival in Nashville when there was no response by the Rangers. The refs were not going to call it and the Rangers did not have the onions to retaliate on their own because the coach banned them from doing so. That nobody hammered Forsberg or Emelin, or one of their top players after that mess is a disgrace.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:37 pm EST

????????

NV94


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:35 pm EST

NICK - LOVE the George the ANimal Steel (I'm picturing him dressel like AV eating a hockey puck) and Cactus Jack references..And you're right, the Rangers need more of Ric Flair (Whoooooo!) behidn the bench then a Mick Foley!....ANyways, If we dont have the posts blaming AV all the time, then we also miss out on you coming to his rescue! :)..Yes, I thought the team played soft and timid under AV and that was a problem..but the big problem wasn't the softness. the big problem was that they were just bad...never prepared to start a game..rarely played full games ..and were as disjointed a team as they come...and this went on for two years...except for a few spurts usually fueled by goaltending...He wasn't gonna win the Cup with the players that GORDO the clown gave him, but he should have done a much better job in getting better performance, better execution, better chemistry, better results from what he had...He earned this firing

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:21 pm EST

Yes yes yes without doubt.....he pumped his and his staff’s tires without a nod to accepting even a portion of the blame for a year that skidded off the shoulder and into a ravine by the middle of January, even if the decree by ownership and management to pull the plug didn’t come until early February. Asked whether he expects to be back for a sixth season, Vigneault did not hesitate for even a moment. “Yes, yes,” he said. “I think this staff is the right staff for the job. In my opinion, one of the strongest assets of this organization is the coaching staff.”

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:20 pm EST

The game changed since Torts and his back-in-and-block shots riff. They got a hell of a lot closer under AV. As for him ‘taking away toughness,’ George the Animal Steele could coach this squad with Mick Foley assisting and it wouldn’t matter. You have the guys, you win. You don’t have the guys, and are saddled spending eight million cap dollars on a completely average goalie, you don’t. Maybe now we can build from within and make some decent deals, and we’ll see. At least there won’t be1000 postscevery game blaming the coach. I hope. Too bad Quenneville is staying in Chicago. Although he sucks now too, now that the Hawks roster blows.

Nick


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:19 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2018/04/07/rangers-fire-coach-alain-vigneault/

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:16 pm EST

Bob I hope he left him In filthy

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:16 pm EST

Van & Edm playing to lose.... watch these pricks both pull their goalies with 12 minutes to play in regulation

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:12 pm EST

To each their own...dont matter,,,bridge under water...Does GORDO eff up again? That's the impotant question now...not the whys and whats of the past..

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:10 pm EST

I don't see it that way... Froggy was handed the reigns to a SCF's franchise which was lacking another level of offense... He threw out the D which the team had in their DNA... Fuck him and his stench, open the windows, it's time for spring cleaning

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:07 pm EST

Jake0104: you nailed it man!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClJPYX3yonk

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:06 pm EST

WIOSA - He did do a good job for quite a few years..but lost his mojo and the team LONG AGO....Alot of the fault lies with GORDO for the players he gavee him since them..and for staying with him

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:05 pm EST

"I think my staff is the right staff for this job," Vigneault said. "This is just my opinion, but I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff. .......... "I think my staff is the right staff for this job," Vigneault said. "This is just my opinion, but I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff. .......... "I think my staff is the right staff for this job," Vigneault said. "This is just my opinion, but I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff. ........... SEE YA FROGGY, YOU ARROGANT LOSER!!!!! BYE, BYE, FROGGY, FROGGY GOOD BYE!!!!!!

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:04 pm EST

Waited a whole 5 hours? LOL.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:03 pm EST

I heard that Gorton kicked Vigneault off the train at Secaucus Junction.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:02 pm EST

MF - Hah. and we thought they were meek and mild under AV!..they would be pure metrosexual under that S.D. Valiquette

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:01 pm EST

Well AV, thanks for the memories of 2014 and the playoff years. You did what you could, good luck to you. As for my Rangers, please hockey gods, not Messier.

wiosa


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:00 pm EST

MF... It's about ROW, not just wins. They have to win in regulation or OT for us to move ahead of them.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:58 pm EST

Hospo, has your buddy Valiquette submitted his resume'?

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:55 pm EST

Wanted it to be quick, but didn't think it would be that quick!..Nice and cecisive as it ashould have been...Maybe the the second or third good movethe incompetent GORDO has made in years...AV ran out of mojo two years ago...It's been a slow death after a few good years......This HIRE is GORDO's last chance in my book...But also a hire that will signify which way the team is leaning (full rebuild vs retool ve any other option) for the future...Gonna be interesting

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:54 pm EST

I've got to say that I think it is a really good sign that they did pull the plug on AV this quickly. It tells me that they are ready to rock and roll this off season. They aren't going to waste any time. They know there have to be massive changes with this team from the coaching staff to the players to the style of play. I'm hoping we are going to see a much tougher team to play against. Just my first thoughts but I'm ready for change. Nobody on this roster or in this organization is off limits. Lets get to work GORTON!

Vic


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:54 pm EST

Rhet: if Van - Edm tie at the end of regulation, Edm ties the NYR's in points but has 1 more regulation win; would they fall a spot to us? t/y

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:53 pm EST

Nick they weren’t going to win it with him but you think it’s hanky

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:52 pm EST

Van 2 Edm 2 end of 2

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:51 pm EST

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-flyers-1.17912391?__twitter_impression=true

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:48 pm EST

Lb ...” PHILADELPHIA — All that pleading just wasn’t enough. The Rangers fired head coach Alain Vigneault on Saturday night after he spent his postgame press briefing after the regular-season finale — an appropriate 5-0 loss to the Flyers — putting forth a case for why he should return for a sixth season. But general manager Jeff Gorton still decided there was no reason to wait to pull the plug, starting immediately in finding a new person to lead the rebuilding process. When Vigneault had been asked if he thought he was going to return for next season, he responded quickly — now, his famous last words as coach. “Yes, yes, without a doubt,” Vigneault had said. “I think my staff is the right staff for this job. I think, and this is just my opinion, but I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff and their experience. We’ve been able to do it with veteran players, we’ve been able to do it with younger players. Our development record — and our record, wins and losses — you know what, it’s pretty good, with young and older players.” The Blueshirts finished 34-39-9 this season, the worst record in Vigneault’s five seasons on Broadway. He took the Rangers to the playoffs four times, including to the Stanley Cup final in 2013-14 where they lost to the Kings in five games.”

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:46 pm EST

The 2019 Cup is ours. No more AV ... it was ALL HIS FAULT!

Nick


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:43 pm EST

Nearly five hours after their regular season finale against the Philadelphia Flyers, the New York Rangers will be searching for a new face behind the bench. According to an official team release, Jeff Gorton has finally pulled the band-aid off and relieved Alain Vigneault of his coaching duties. This has been a long-time coming, and with the Rangers committing to a rebuild at this year’s trade deadline, the writing seemed to be on the wall for Vigneault That isn’t to say Vigneault is a bad coach either, but he quickly fell out favor with this newly discovered direction by the Rangers. There are going to be plenty of young players passing through the system in the coming years, and with Vigneault’s veteran coaching mentality, this was the end of the road. As Bob McKenzie noted, the search for a new coach will begin immediately and this is a first of many moves that the Rangers really need to nail down. Given the timeline, the Rangers would probably like to have someone in place prior to the draft so they have a set direction before stepping onto the draft floor. There is expected to be a lot of movement from the Rangers this summer, and they certainly started it all off with a massive, yet much needed move.

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:38 pm EST

I hope he’s crying like the girly man he is ... he thought he could bluff fishboy with that without a doubt... that probably pushed him over the edge instead of waiting until next week ,..

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:36 pm EST

Wow, that was really quick. We knew it was coming after that interview on WFAN a month or so ago. GORTON basically said everything to make you believe that AV was out after the season was over. But I didn't expect it hours after the last game. I though they would do it after the team interviews and everyone left for the summer.

Vic


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:35 pm EST

RANGERS Alain Vigneault defends coaching staff as Rangers' season ends He says he expects to return behind the Rangers’ bench next season — ‘Yes, yes. Without a doubt.’....

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:35 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... It's not clear Rangers associate coach Scott Arniel or assistants Lindy Ruff and Darryl Williams will be retained. I'd expect goaltending coach Benoit Allaire will remain if he wants to stay. He has coached Henrik Lundqvist since the goalie entered the NHL in 2005. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:35 pm EST

Vigneault GONE

tracerm


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:33 pm EST

Happy Greek Easter in your keister Assvipe you arrogant fuck... yes yes you expect to be back ... eat those words ... your 3 former teams are all not in the playoffs this year ... legacy

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:33 pm EST

After AV's postgame comments today, they probably thought he lost his mind :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:32 pm EST

Phishboy settles the family business: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CDlBLvc3YE

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:29 pm EST

Tweets & replies Media Likes Colin Stephenson's Tweets Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 1m The Rangers have made it official. Alain Vigneault is out as coach. Story coming momentarily on @NewsdaySports. 4 6

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:27 pm EST

Legs: All too glad to lose this one! Au reVoir Froggy...

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:27 pm EST

New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 3m OFFICIAL: #NYR Head Coach Alain Vigneault has been relieved of his coaching duties

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:26 pm EST

Veenyo Assvipe I have a few words thank you and fuck you

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:25 pm EST

Bob I’m really proud of fishboy being a man and doing it immediately.

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:24 pm EST

AV whacked. As it should be.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:21 pm EST

Irving moofman Jacques see you for coffee and donuts

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:18 pm EST

Per Bob McKenzie..NYR have fired head coach Alain Vigneault. Search will commence for his replacement

DOUBLEN


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:16 pm EST

Thank you hockey gods and God

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:16 pm EST

Bob McKenzie Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie NYR have fired head coach Alain Vigneault. Search will commence for his replacement.

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:15 pm EST

Thank you fishboy

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:06 pm EST

TRADE - Half the plyers in the NHL are in the same category...Not sure I really by it anyway...Take ZBAD for example...He Was playing lights out for about 5-6 games becasue "he was finally back"..and then he finished the season with 7 games of incompetnece and total crap.....no longer the emrging #1 center that Dickaletti and Blosen NOsen were jizzing about...More about inconsistency than head injury, IMWO....I think the worry about head injuries are real but also misused as excuses..

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:57 pm EST

Zuke and Zbad are two more players that had the head region compromised......time to ship them out too and bring in some fresh heads here

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:53 pm EST

KIS....I agree about the Russians.....but one thing that seems to be consistent with the Rangers....heck it may be all NHL teams, but I only really follow this one......and that is the concussion type injury.....Buch got it when he collided with that schmuck from Toronto.....Vesey had a few incidents where he had head (and even mouth trauma)......and with the amount of talk and the candidness of the internet these days, the flow of info gets to the players alot quicker and they see the problems of athletes from yesteryear coming to fruition now........I think the Rangers willingness to trade McDonagh was them understanding that he is breaking down like a NASCAR that has hit the side rails too many times.......As far as the JT Miller trade, the problem I see is that the Rangers assets always get devalued in mostly every trade....there had to be a different suitor for JT, especially in the West, that would have paid a better price for him......If the Rangers did the Name-kov deal for him just to help a guy like Buch....that was pretty freakin stupid on all fronts

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:39 pm EST

Trade- I went into this a little while back. The real strength of this draft is in the top6 imo. There’s a HUGE drop off from 6 to 7. I think from 7 to around 20 you can have guys jumping all over the place. I see Oliver Whalstrom up there around 7-10 but I don’t see him as all that. He’s had the luxury of playing with 4 others that will likely end up going in the same range and aside from an accurate heavy shot and having some size, there’s nothing much else he does. I’d much rather have Brett Howden than Whalstrom. Quin Hughes is another guy I see up there and I really like him but I don’t think he’s a 1D. He’s just too damned small; reminds me a little of Rafaslki type (who is a perfectly good 2D but we have similar types in the system). So I would do EVERYTHING I ca oils to try to get into that top6 even if it costs ‘too much’. Infact, I’d try to get up there twice over. We have a LOT of depth in the system and in the form of young vets and adding to that stable gets us nowhere and likely will lose some of em for very little to nothing esp with another exapmasion draft comn up. But to answe your question, if no movement is made, my guy would be Jesperi Kotkaniemi or Kupari; The former has all the physical tools and has much more technical ability than Whalstrom (better release, better skater, better hands, and just sad good a shot)and reminds me a little of Voracek/ Kopitar. Kupari is kinda like Elias Anderson. Just first impressions so far

_Arc


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:20 pm EST

excuse me, Detroit is ahead of Vancouver by 1 point 73 to 72

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:16 pm EST

Van / Edm about to start..... Detroit lost tonight, so Vancouver may do their best to lose as they're tied in points with Detroit... I'll leave it up to those who know the rules to determine who would pick 1st, Vancouver (if they lose tonight) or Detroit..... Now if Edmonton wins, they move from 8th worst to 10th worst so they don't want to win either.... Time for Gary CornHolio Buttman to phone Edmonton and have them win.... CornHolio can do that, midget commie phuck!

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:15 pm EST

Weird one going on... If the Bruins win tomorrow by one goal in regulation, they will be tied with Winnipeg in every tie breaking category. I guess it would then be left to a coin toss to determine who is second and who is third? :) ...GO OILERS GO!

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:09 pm EST

Legs: Sat Apr 7 2018 8:48 pm EST, spot on!

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:04 pm EST

STEVIE - AV should get a one day grace and be out on his Monday..forget about being classy and treating everybody well...Start tearing this shit down now if you are not going to really try and win..EVRYBODY needs to go but most wont

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:01 pm EST

To say yes yes without a doubt implies fishboy told him that. I doubt fishboy told him that. Time for a gomer Pyle surprise surprise surprise!

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:55 pm EST

Question marks at the end were supposed to be an emoji winking

Kis


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:55 pm EST

Pure denial.....Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 2h Vigneault said he has not spoken to management about his future, nor did he expect to. "Every year you do your season and at the end of the season you sit down and you talk and you analyze and you work on getting better and I didn’t think this year was going to be any different." 1 3 2 Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 2h "We’ve been able to do it with veteran players and we’ve been able to do it with younger players,'' Vigneault continued. "Our development record – and our record, wins and losses – you know what, it’s pretty good. With young and older players.'' 6 5 2 Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 2h "I think my staff is the right staff for this job,'' continued. "I think – and this is just my opinion, but I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is it’s coaching staff, and their experience.'' 2 1 Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 2h Alain Vigneault, gave a 4-minute defense of himself in the postgame briefing and said he expects to return as Rangers coach. "Yes, yes. Without a doubt,'' he said.

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:54 pm EST

As much as I bust his chops GG , polis , clown fish truly seems to have the most info. I check what he says and I look a lot at ola for foreign players. GG for being an ass sometime does have good info ????

Kis


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:52 pm EST

Trade thanks for including g me. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to follow much of what is going on this past year. I don’t know enough about these young kids so for me to give an opinion, I don’t have anything. One thing I will say is I think it would be a huge get if the rangers would get Kahrlson. I think he would provide excellent leadership. Physically I believe he will be better next year. His talent is beyond belief. Still so many questions about what this team actually has. I think we see the two Russians they currently have are big question marks. Doesn’t say much for Buchs character the way he completely folded the second half of the year. The Russian from Tampa is he able to produce without stamkos and kuchorov talent with him. Idk. I’ll try and get info through the posts. To me the draft is always a crap shoot. Draft represent potential. Doesn’t represent what the player becomes. Thanks for the mention

Kis


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:48 pm EST

Sorry but this coach almost never got this team in his 5 years to overachieve . And hardly any players did that or even par of the expectations they had for them . His narcissistic and egotistical self evaluation basically tells you all you need to know . He knows everything already in his mind and he has no room to grow or improve. He doesn’t make mistakes. It’s always the roster. Who makes the roster? The gm so he’s pointing his finger at fishboy. Fishboy needs to point him to the exit door. And he’ll find something wrong with the door and the exit sign. His record after December is inexcusable with basically the same roster up to the end of December. He will throw anybody and everybody under the bus before ever taking responsibility. That is not a good leadership quality. Guess he has his own definition of leadership. He’s dead wrong . He only wants to take credit, and that’s a flaw that he will never correct. His speech proves that. That was the beginning of his trottier letter. He can give that to the next gm that hires him. I’ve heard and seen way too much to come to any other conclusion. If fishboy doesn’t see it , than they deserve each other.....in their failures ...

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:43 pm EST

And Trade barring the 1st rounders I'd be willing to use every single pick left to draft physicality & nastiness. Mean motherfuckers. If they love both parents, forget'em LOL. Crease clearer and two forwards, one top 9 one 4th line.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:36 pm EST

Did anyone see Vigneault talking aboitnhos his staff is excellent and the right coaching staff for this club going forward? He is clearly delusional. Unless Gorton believes that sleeping for the first period of most games and routinely giving up 50 shots is good work, he will be whacked next week.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:16 pm EST

PJ - said the same thing a few hours ago....Vets and kids alike-thank you AV and Gordo...Barring a mirculous off season...we are lookingat a lottery team--next season! Now, being bad is one thing. but being spineless with little fight is just not acceptable..PLEASE bring and a coach that demads both!!

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:15 pm EST

Oh you said draft, Trade? From where they are & likely to get without going whole hog, I liked Wahlstrom. Big kid bangs & scored. Some aren't so high on him but I liked what I saw. He'd help this disaster

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:09 pm EST

And just an aside, when a place is overrun with fucking nazis, that Might as well be germany!

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:07 pm EST

A total embarrassment today....What a heartless, gutless group...From kids to vets they crapped all over the Ranger sweater....AV is laughable with those comments but he is consistent....Takes absolutely no responsibility....Get him the hell out of New York....Just has to happen....

PJ


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:06 pm EST

Trade, Karlsson all the way. And Kovalchuk. Said it since before the deadline.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:05 pm EST

Poland, forgive me. Big fuckin deal. BusEy.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:02 pm EST

HOSPO: that was Iraq led by Osama Bin Laden that bombed Pearl Harbor. You’re confusing things. It was the Japanese who attacked on 911. Where were you during history class? Thinking about the Clarke Gilles-boxcar fight? What a mess.

E


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:57 pm EST

Trade: I think that in all likelihood with a high draft pick unless there is something juicy dropping down to them, they’ll look to move up for Tkachuk or another player who is close to NHL ready. Tkachuk is an elder statesman at the draft. He could dress as soon as next season if he doesn’t opt to stay out of the pros another year. But Trader Gorto is going to try to be active at the draft. Maybe it becomes like the draft when San Jose went remade their roster by dumping Gooch, Coyle, a first for Burns. Then flipped a second from that to acquire Ian White. Acquired a franchise defenseman who locked down their elite need on the blue line for a good 10-years plus. Don’t know what the New York Rangers do. I haven’t seen too many defenseman since that time of that caliber move. I think Minnesota got fleeced.

E


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:54 pm EST

E - Hey, Blutarski, next your gonna say that the German's didn't bomb Pearl Harbor????

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:51 pm EST

"I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff and their experience."....AYFKM??????? This same staff thaat has been a total failure for TWO FULL YEARS...that presided over two PO choke jobs?? That provided zero leadership, motivation and a semblance of chemistry?? That outside of one or ten game spurts, was one of the worst teams in the NHL for two years??...Granted, GORDO the clown was the one thar set te tone for everything with, outside of Grabner and a few collee FA's, totally incompetent roster building and a flat out failure on his smug "rebuild on the Fly"......BUt, it's the job of the coach to get the best out of his players and construct a team...kinda like GALLANT did in LAS VEGAS,,,AV was as big or a bigger failure....Both should be hnaded their walking papers...but i"ll settle for AV and a voice that had been gone for two years..

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:46 pm EST

GG: it was Warsaw. That’s in Poland. Perhaps you should rewatch the movie as to not use incorrect comparisons.

E


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:38 pm EST

Correction: Mark Stone is a RFA not UFA this summer so I think that takes him off the table.

evets1980


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:38 pm EST

GG,Hospo,Stevie, RF4L, Arc, Rhet, Bob, E, Ola, York, MF, kitchen, RangerDude,Stranger,DoubleN, KIS, KIS's crazy cousin, Despo, Raynger, Pierre10 ...let's talk draft....let's say the Rangers don't hit the lotto or trade up.....who are we targeting? I see alot of Dman in the 8-9-10 spots

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:36 pm EST

That was a tough last game. I actually liked Vigneault's comments after the game. They were honest; not the cookie cutter responses you usually get from coaches and players. I think he's done an admirable job in his time here and with the players he's had. I think he's had a strong forward corps in his time here, but the defense never really panned out. I think last summer, the prevailing view was that this season would be different on defense, with a top four of McDonah-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Smith, but Smith was a wreck, Shattenkirk got hurt early on, McDonagh was banged up throughout the season and was a shell of himself, and Skjei has been mired in a sophomore slump. Today's effort was pitiful, but I suppose it's not unexpected. Philly was at home, a win puts them into the playoffs and they came to play. You gotta give them credit. They did what they needed to do. A lot of people are bringing up the Miller for Namestnikov trade. On paper it was a good trade for both teams. I think we need to cut Namestnikov a little slack. He goes from a team that is a Stanley Cup favorite to a team destined to go home in April. That's got to be a tough transition and he didn't make it very well. The Rangers decided they weren't going to keep Miller... but they have Namestnikov who is another asset along with Spooner to use at the draft or in the summer to make some other moves. I'm happy Miller is finding success in Tampa, but anyone can be successful playing with those guys on the top line. At this early stage of the offseason for the Rangers, I expect the roster to be pretty unrecognizable to begin next season. At this point, I think that both Namestnikov and Spooner will be gone. I can see them working with Carolina to move one of those two guys and maybe another piece for a guy like Noah Hanifin. I can see them making a push for Max Domi. Or I can see them using one of those RFAs along with one of their late first rounders to move into the middle of the first round to grab a guy they may like. I think that if the Sens plan on keeping Karlsson, that they have to let Mark Stone walk. I can see the Rangers going after him in free agency and maybe John Carlson. There are going to be lots of roster changes... but the more I watch, listen, and read, the more I think that Vigneault gets another chance next season to get things going in the right direction... and I don't know how I feel about that.

evets1980


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:33 pm EST

MF... Yeah, the Blackhawks have totally gone in the tank. There is no way they should be losing to some of the teams they've been losing to. They're still too talented.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:23 pm EST

What are the odds the Edmonton beats the Knuckleheads? We'd then drop to 8th.....

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:13 pm EST

Blackhawks just took a shit on the Rangers plan to move up......I guess those 3 Cups in the last decade only go so far

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:11 pm EST

Rf73......Dolan and Sather are not walking around anything......

Melvillefred


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:51 pm EST

I can hear JT Miller laughing from here.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:46 pm EST

Yeah this reminds me of The Pianist when he finally comes down from the attic & Germany is bombed out. I can't even finish watching the 1st period right now. Awful. Weve got like 3 players lol. Great job all around!

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:39 pm EST

AV can go coach the urinal at Penn Station, and then get the F out of here

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:30 pm EST

Let's go Hawks! I think Peg has zero to play for tonight....so maybe

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:25 pm EST

Ola...the music is playing...Dolan, Sather, Gorton & AV are all walking around the 3 chairs in the room...When the music stops...Dolan is going to have a chair, Sather is going to have a chair & so is Gorton...Unless AV plans on tripping up one of the others & slipping into one of their chairs...he's the odd man out.

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:23 pm EST

OLA... Hagelin for Etem was on Sather's watch, not Gorton.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:22 pm EST

OLA... A coach that expects to stay does not make grandiose statements like that. Also, AV is more of a veteran team type coach, he does not seem to have the temperament or desire to coach a young/rebuilding team. Then again, that is JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:18 pm EST

Who has been better, AV or Gorton? Certainly think the nod goes to the former. Gorton hasn’t done a whole lot of good. Miller for Namestnikov? Hagelin for Etem? Giving Brandon Smith a monster deal?

Ola


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:17 pm EST

Hey, don't get me wrong...I want him to get sole possession of 10th place on the all-time wins list...I just want it to happen on some other team!

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:16 pm EST

*pool=poll

Ola


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:15 pm EST

Rhet- I think AV speaks the truth. Not many other are and that needed to be said. Put 100 outside experts in a room and pool them if the NYR under AV have underperformed, reached expectations or overperformed. Not 1 of 100 would go for the first alternative, and I am fairly certain most goes for the last. The only kid busting under AV in NY is McIlrath, everyone else reaches their potential. A coach can only work with what he gets. It hasn’t been enough. MY POINT IS, that is what the coming evaluation of AV should start with. Then it might be right to sack him or not, that can be discussed. Sure. But often the discussion starts like from the point of him having done the worst job ever which is just ridiculous. I think sometimes you get what you deserve, in our case it’s 1 cup in 70+ years. Maybe there is a reason for that.

Ola


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:10 pm EST

RF73.... A coach that says the things that AV just said, clearly expects to be fired.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 6:01 pm EST

After what I have seen and now heard him say, if I'm Gorton, I call him to my office and say, "OK, I know what you say and what you think and I agree"...when he asks me why there is plastic on the floor in my office...I then proceed to fire a warning shot into his forehead...and tell him to enjoy the summer and think about what we just talked about.

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:51 pm EST

Don't read this if you have high blood pressure or health issues... Alain Vigneault met with the media following the loss to Philadelphia and said (ESPN Radio): ...."We would have obviously preferred to finish on a better note. We didn't. What is to come. They asked me yesterday, someone asked me if I had learned anything from this year and I told them to ask it for me today and I would have a better answer for you. At the end of the day, for coaches, you have to coach the team that you have in front of you. You try and put a system in place that maximizes their talent level and mask or hide the weaknesses and work on both areas so your team can improve. For me, my third year in Montreal, we had the record, at that time, as far as mans game missed in the NHL and we had half NHL players, half young players and half part American league players and we were able to take it to the last game of the year. We weren't able to get in but it wasn't for lack of trying, that year we were up for coach of the year. We talked about the Sedins a couple of days ago and that got me thinking and, we talked about this the other day, you gotta coach the team in front of you. When I went to Vancouver the team hadn't made the playoffs the year before, we had some veterans whose careers were maybe more on the downside but we had a lot of young players coming in, the twins, Kesler, Burrows, Bieksa, Hansen, Edler and to that group, through the years, we added Raymond, Tanev, Schneider, Hodgson, etc. In our seven years we had six division titles, a Stanley Cup Final seventh game. We got close and it wasn't from a lack of trying that we didn't get it, we were pretty banged up. In our time, since having left Vancouver, they are on their fourth coaching staff right now. Coaching might not have been one of the main areas and I remember in my time there, on player development, we were criticized for three players the most. One retired at 26, one went through a couple of NHL teams, basically a career minor league player and the other one, god bless his soul, was able to find a way and take care of his personal situation and is now still playing in the NHL. Player development wise, we are not perfect but we have done a pretty good job. That brings me to NY and when we got here, you coach what you have. What we had here was a veteran group, Rick Nash, Brad Richards, Ryan Callahan became Marty St. Louis, Dan Girardi, Marc Staal, we had some good veteran players and we put a system in place and culture that maximized them. To them, through the first and second-year, Ryan McDonagh and Derek Stepan were added, good young players, we had a fair amount of success. We weren't able to get it done but we had a fair amount of success. At the end of the day a coach coaches what is in front of you and that is what we have tried to do and that is what we will continue to try to do."

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:51 pm EST

Ahhh...hard to beat a good nap! plenty of time to watch it on dvr! Thank God it's over.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:48 pm EST

He's bluffing.... per Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Alain Vigneault went on a long postgame soliloquy. Asked he expects to be back as #NYR coach: "Yes, yes, without a doubt. I think my staff is the right staff for this job. ...I think one of the strongest assets of this organization is its coaching staff and their experience."

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:46 pm EST

NYR 2018 GAA = 3.2683 gapg..... How about that team defensive system ?!?! Fire AssVipe Bidet on or after 4/14/18 .....

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:34 pm EST

https://www.groupon.com/deals/ga-bk-banff-rocky-mountain-resort-6

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 5:21 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned forwards Lias Andersson, Filip Chytil, and Steven Fogarty to @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:59 pm EST

Stayed away from the Wall for health reasons today...That is basically as bad as it gets...a heartless, leaderless, gonadless disgrace...Right now, there's not one of these pukes I want to see back in a Ranger sweater come Septmeber.......Namestnikov might be rivaling Kamensky for invisibity and incompetence for a new Ranger...even worse...BUCH seems to have a new role model...But, all is not lost, the rangers can build around the grea current and future # 1 Mika Zibanajad and his -25! And that defense...By my count, we need at least 4 new NHLers for next year!

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:58 pm EST

Answer is ....When Vigneault was asked on Friday what he has learned as a coach this season, he chose to sidestep. “Ask me that same question after the game,” he said, “and I’ll have a real good answer.” ....I should resign or get fired....

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:56 pm EST

Thank GOD this season is finally over.

tracerm


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:55 pm EST

Exits

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:54 pm EST

I’m glad I didn’t watch. Sounds like a microcosm of this season . Play the game in your own end and get it stuck up it.... FISHBOY PLEASE FIRE ASSVIPE....tonight....do not let him do the player exists ....

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:52 pm EST

Man....screw the draft lottery, I have a real problem losing to the Islanders and Flyers to close out the season......and I have to agree Namestnikov looks like a bust. I think he needs to be resigned.....right.

Melvillefred


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:52 pm EST

UM, the game should not be over. Offsides was called with .8 seconds left. WTF?

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:50 pm EST

The refs gave the NYR a pity penalty call because they know they screwed up the non-call on Gilmour.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:47 pm EST

I sure am happy that the Rangers traded Miller for Namestnikov.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:38 pm EST

_ARC....here is the irony.....the Philthy brain trust made in known that they wanted Bobby Sangs @ 22........this is why Sather is a dumb fuckin bastard.....he tries to get cute because of all of his Oil Cups from 100 years ago......He got cute with Sangs....with fuckin Jessighey....and with Dylan McIlsuck .....always trying to buck the fuckin trend......and I tell u what....they will wish they had Mittlestad or Vilardi over Andersson......but they got cute again thinking they need a guy who "could be" more NHL ready because he played with a bunch of swedish meatball adults

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:37 pm EST

RF73.... I'm seeing the Flyers new record as actually being 6 seconds. That's pretty damn slow by NHL standards. Even our team record is 4 seconds.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:37 pm EST

Btw I know it’s not Hodge- Middleton but Miller for Stinky looks great right now doesn’t it? I mean even taking out of the equation the Pala to billy of their differing styles, the guy we’ve gotten has been close to a big fat friggin ZERO!! I mean wtf? Fucking wake up you dumbfugg. Yeah you don’t get to ride the coattails of two of the better players in the league but we’re payimg you to do this asshole. He’s gotten off way to easy so far afaiac. I hope to god they ship him off during the draft. It takes a lot to be completely showed up by Ryan fucking Spooner!!!

_Arc


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:35 pm EST

Hopefully, the summer is more exciting!

NV94


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:30 pm EST

The NHL only cares about the team with the potential to make the playoffs, not the them that's out of it. That's why there was no call on Gilmour.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:28 pm EST

Oh you gotta be fuckin Kidn me!!!!!!! Fuck you bobby sanguinetti!!!!! Who the hell friggin thinks oh lemme draft a kid from philly!!! And that goes for TonyD too ya prick!

_Arc


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:27 pm EST

Gimme five, I'm still alive, ain't no luck, I learned to duck

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:27 pm EST

Put a fuckin anvil in a hat and toss it down on AVajj

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:23 pm EST

First sustained action in the flyer offensive zone… The reason they were in the zone for a long period of time?… Because they could not complete a pass and we’re chasing the puck all over the zone

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:13 pm EST

Thank you New York rangers for helping the flyers establish a team record… Fastest two goals… Five seconds

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:09 pm EST

In all fairness to AV, how could he possibly pay attention to the game while he's reading the Want Ads?

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 4:03 pm EST

I guess asswipe is saving it for next season… How come They haven’t shown his most wins statistics during this game… in fact, they haven’t even shown him since very early in the first… Maybe he was already fired? There is absolutely zero justification for him not to be fired

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:58 pm EST

Instead of hurting the flyers chances for the playoffs the Rangers became nothing more than a speed hump along the way.

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:55 pm EST

Stevie....Let's go Hawks and Oil? :-D

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:55 pm EST

On the last day of the season? It's a little late to tank now.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:54 pm EST

Tank on

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:52 pm EST

Take AVajj and throw him into a wood chipper

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:52 pm EST

31 to 12 in shots,,its hank's fault of course, as it always is he should score more goals

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:51 pm EST

LOL… Be careful, there is still one more. period to play.

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:51 pm EST

Fuck Dolan....Fuck Sather......Fuck Gordon.....Fuck AV......Fuck Ruff.....Fuck the vets and fuck the new guys.......GARBAGE PAILS

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:50 pm EST

RF73.... It's not like it's 10-0

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:49 pm EST

Rhetoric… What was it you were saying about 5 - 0?

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:48 pm EST

In fairness to the NYR, the fat lady did sing before the game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:48 pm EST

Holy fuck....if this TV wasn't a goddamn OLED....I swear I would toss it out the fuckin window into the forrest

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:48 pm EST

Fire that damn sp8neless coach. Please

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:47 pm EST

Hanky mektdown

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:47 pm EST

That one is on Hank

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:46 pm EST

If he had selected Giroux chances are good he would have been traded or no longer playing in the NHL. 100 point season… First player to do it since Eric Lindros

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:44 pm EST

What an embarrassing final game

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:41 pm EST

Inly ranger who came to play? Hank...

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:39 pm EST

....and with the 21st pick in the draft, Glen Sather selects........Bobby FUCKIN Sanguinetti

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:38 pm EST

Hank GO FUCK YOURSELF

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:35 pm EST

Halfway through the game 8 shots on goal

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:32 pm EST

Rhet....AV has already requested the Crazy Glue for Belesky's jersey name plate,, his gloves and his spot on the bench

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:28 pm EST

Looks like our beloved Rangers are looking forward to cleaning out their lockers and enjoying and evening out

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:28 pm EST

Glad to see they decided to turn it on for the second period … Eight minutes in and zero shots on goal.

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:27 pm EST

Agreed _ARC......I even had to root for the freakin Patriots in February and Michigan to beat Villanova

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:21 pm EST

They should put Ron Hextall's hair transplant doctor into the Hall of Fame.....the guy is a freakin artist

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:21 pm EST

Belesky's name is falling off. Either that or it was partially sewn over his number.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:19 pm EST

Ups..... say g’bye to Matt belesky

_Arc


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:14 pm EST

Trade- isn’t it the perfect game to settle ALL Past scores today? I mean go all out Chiefs on the pisshole of a city. I remember when they beat the crap out of a former vet/ at the time nypd guy waiting for a chew stake after the outdoor game just because he was wearing a rangers jersey. But good lord that would give AV his period (not best 20 min). Eventhough my hate for the islanders has waned, I still have huge space in my heart for bottomless pit of hate for every god damned thing in that city

_Arc


Sat Apr 7 2018 3:09 pm EST

Exactly!!!

kitchen1


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:58 pm EST

I'll tell ya what I was NOT doing a teenager.....playing for a Original 6 team in the NHL...Instead....I was playing the Saturday night midnight open hockey session at the Long Beach arena

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:56 pm EST

We're down 1-0, not 5-0.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:50 pm EST

So far the Rangers look like they have little interest in playing this game let alone winning it… No matter what asswipe should be fired immediately at the conclusion of this game

RF73


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:47 pm EST

"These new two fuckin pansies...." WTF were you doing with your life as a teenager?? The contemptibility on this site absolutely blows my mind!!

kitchen1


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:47 pm EST

Was that John Fogerty missing the empty net? Put me in Coach AVajj .....I am ready to play.....look at me ...I can be....center field

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:44 pm EST

I rather see the Rangers dress Peggy Flemming, Dorothy Hamel, Kristi Yamaguchi, Sara Hughes and even throw a jersey on Tonya Harding to take out the knees of Gudas

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:42 pm EST

I could see the NYR winning today in OT :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:41 pm EST

Rhet...if anyone has a grudge to settle....it would be florida with Boston's cheap ass play when that scrub hurt one of the best players in the league, Aleksander Barkov

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:41 pm EST

When was the last time one of these ballerinas threw a booming hit

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:38 pm EST

Even Kreider.....built like a fuckin Great Dane but plays like a minature pinscher

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:37 pm EST

Bunch of high paid Marshmallow puffs

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:35 pm EST

These new two fuckin pansies.....Andersson and Chytil should be skating around like the Hanson brothers first game and show the Philthy team that there is a changing of the guard.......Nah....we have AV and his big vajj already settling in like rigomortis

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:35 pm EST

When is this Fucking team going to get players that play physical and with grit

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:33 pm EST

Trade... Not if they win it in OT. Also, Florida beat Boston in their prior matchup, I think they'll have a grudge to settle.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:32 pm EST

This team fuckin blows donkey balls....Honestly.....Let every goddamn team camp out in the fuckin crease....I swear every Sunday I play with more piss and vigor in a silly ass dek hockey league

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:32 pm EST

Fuck you Rangers

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:32 pm EST

Yeah zero physical play. Fire av!

Ranger Dude


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:27 pm EST

Rangers simply do not hit.....it is infuriating .......where are our saviors Chytill and Andersson? Throw us Rangers fans a fuggin crumb

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:22 pm EST

Rhet....if TB beat the Canes tonight....the Bruins game vs Florida on Sunday would be meaningless to them

tradestar28


Sat Apr 7 2018 2:03 pm EST

His 63rd appearance!

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 1:49 pm EST

It's not as simple as that. The flaw in the plan is that the Florida Panther's have to win both of their remaining games. One against Boston, who in turn needs to win their remaining games to clinch their division. It's not like if we win today the Flyers are out, we could win and they could still clinch.

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 1:41 pm EST

Philly missing the playoffs would be disastrous for the team a d organization...Let's go Rangers!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 1:21 pm EST

RangerLou - without a doubt..SCREW THE FLYERS!!

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 1:16 pm EST

mf...True but wouldn't be delightful;-)

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 1:03 pm EST

RangerLou: not as delightful as getting a top 3 pick in the lottery...

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 12:58 pm EST

Wouldn't be delightful if the Rangers beat Philly and put a stumbling block on their playoffs hope...Just saying

rangerlou


Sat Apr 7 2018 12:11 pm EST

There are so many bus trips with kids playing juniors. The longest ride my boy was ever on was 18 hours. Montana is not unlike Saskatchewan........teams in very small towns and long bus rides to road games. They spend a lot of time on those buses. And there are a lot of 2 lane roads with 70 MPH speed limits that have other roads crossing them. For us, this hits home big time. My son is home as his season is over and he is in the process of deciding on which college to go to. It is heartbreaking that some of these boys and families from Humboldt will not have that chance.

Bob


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:55 am EST

Bob, glad your son was not on that bus........

mf


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:47 am EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL ..... [NEWS] The Hartford Wolf Pack announce roster changes, including the addition of Ty Ronning .... http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/pack-announce-roster-moves-3

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:35 am EST

Funds for Humboldt Broncos.... https://www.gofundme.com/funds-for-humboldt-broncos

Rhet0ric


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:28 am EST

well Stevie, I mean, to just ax somebody, anybody is one thing. You can change coaches just for a fresh voice - Im not saying they couldnt use that, though again if its almost all new players, he IS a new coach to them LOL! But, Im not talking punishment per se, every athlete ever got old & faltered & retired. That's why addressing the problem which will persist and only worsen in a (YIKES!) 38-yr-old fronted rebuild is of the upmost to me. But yeah if I have to point my middle finger at one person, it aint the coach because after that Gorto remark especially, I do think AV was really pressured to (over)play Lundqvist. Ive mostly believed that for years. I'll be very curious to see any hints AV drops on his way out if he goes, but knowing him it'll appear in 6 months later in LaPresse.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 11:10 am EST

GGGG as far as i'm concerned assvipe should be the victim of the imperfect storm....everyone else has paid voluntarily and involuntarily....he has to pay for it with his job....fair or unfair....

stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:59 am EST

So apparently, it happened at an intersection. Bus traveling north and semi traveling west; the latter didn't come to a full stop and plowed into the bus. If so, unbelievably careless (nd perhaps criminal) by the driver of the semi...

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:46 am EST

Hospo: Suspect it's like this in the US but perhaps not to the same frequency, but in Canada, hockey team bus trips, especially in rural areas, which really is most of the country, are the norm, not the rarity. All the junior teams (Quebec, Ontario and out west, each of which now include US/Canada border teams) travel hundreds of miles every year. Out west moreso than anywhere else because there are teams from Manitoba to Washington State. Now add in junior B teams (which I think is that Humbolt team) and others and geesh, millions of miles covered every year in buses and many of those miles are traveled in the winter. In rural Canada with its small towns, hockey is the one thing that unites the community and everyone follows their local team. Humbolt will be in mourning for sure. I feel so bad for the kids and their families...

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 10:38 am EST

BOB- such a tragedy..so glad your son is safe and sound...Hold them close even when rthey leave!! coclnece to those family and to you and your son if you knew members from that team...

Hospo


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:47 am EST

Now you're gettin' hot, Stevie. Was it the coaches decision? Or Was a he mandated? Even Gorton said on record he can't ditch Hank without going above him. That always been the question imo. But you're middle finger at a.v. is pretty good lol...

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:41 am EST

Gggg who kept putting hanky in even if it was him to blame? You can’t really absolve the team and the coach.... ultimately it’s the coach’s decisions .... no doubt fishboy fillet not getting a center and jitters not willing to play there along with team d and playing way too much in their own end... my middle finger points to the coach.... if he’s not canned the the nyr will be....as well fishboy fillet... he has to realize that or he needs to go too.... 5 years is a big enough sample... I don’t care what his lifetime record is no matter how many many times the put that on tv... your record says you are what you are , makes him a good coach, but not good enough one for the Nyr....

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:41 am EST

Reminiscent of the Swift Current crash Sakic and Sheldon Kennedy were in that killed 4 of their teammates when the bus went off the road in a blizzard. Lindy Ruff’s younger brother was one of the players killed

Puckyou


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:26 am EST

The King did not play like a high school goalie! 15% of 1st shots hit twine! Omg. Ah well, you can only lead the horse to water...

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:23 am EST

A tracto trailer was involved

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:16 am EST

Agreed that on the down stretches the King did not play like the King.

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:15 am EST

No news yet on how the accident happened.

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:13 am EST

He stood on his head maybe 2-3 games. Don't make me go get the numbers on Lundqvist meltdowns, cause the Hankie fans will go into witness protection. It was routine goaltending they needed and did not get.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:10 am EST

They went from 7 games over .500 to 2 games under .500 by end of January. That's called, the goalie shot his load. If I can say that without someone bringing up my wife. And I read 3 accounts, how in fuck do you t-bone a bus? Its not like you cant see it. That's the only descript I saw. Was this semi on the same roadway or crossing it? Unless the bus got turned & tipped on contact I cant imagine it, unless someone blew a light. Anything further out there?

Gorton Gekko


Sat Apr 7 2018 9:04 am EST

stevie: Those good stretches were behind stand on your head goaltending by the King. When they were in those stretches I recall posting several times that it was a house of cards due to the inexplicably lousy play of the team in front the King. And as we can see now, it that was true. Hell, even after the trade deadline deals, they went did the Canadian west and won games they shouldn't have due to the King. When you really examine it, that sorta describes the entire Lundqvist tenure in New York and Nob for Life's philosophy of building a cup contending team: Number 1 star and talent is the goaltender and the team is built around him. It's a flawed philosophy but did get the Rangers to the cup final and several seasons of POs.

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:56 am EST

Bob: I heard about that bus crash last night. My God it is horrible and tragic. Tractor-trailer t-boned the team's bus - 14 of 28 passengers killed, all other 14 in hospitals including 3 critically injured. So sad. Yes, imagine the parents today. Makes me want to cry.

rF4l


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:39 am EST

BOB: I'm glad to hear that your son wasn't on that bus. What a horrible tragedy for those families.

Vic


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:23 am EST

4-7 then A 9-3 then a 7-3 basically says they were good.. then boom 5-7, . 3-10 ...if that doesn’t point to the coach nothing ever will....

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:12 am EST

So the roster was good by December 30 and no good by January 31...???...

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 8:07 am EST

4-7-2 to start, 13- 10-2 , 20-13-5 end of December , 25-20-5 end of January, 28-30-6 end of February, 34-36-9 end of March ...34-38-9 .... numbers don’t lie...

Stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:09 am EST

".....So, it’s almost been bittersweet that the Blueshirts are a surprising 7-8-3 since the Feb. 26 trade deadline passed, which followed a miserable stretch of 5-15-1 .........."........grounds for termination.....

stevielegs


Sat Apr 7 2018 7:04 am EST

When Vigneault was asked on Friday what he has learned as a coach this season, he chose to sidestep. “Ask me that same question after the game,” he said, “and I’ll have a real good answer.”

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:23 pm EST

I really haven't given much thought to A/V relative to the team. Or im just ambivalent right now. I suspect he goes, 60-40, 75-25, something like that where it's unlikely he's back. Usually you think the team has tuned the coach out, but here you're replacing a huge chunk of the team, so it's legitimately different. The main thing is everybody's on the same page from the top on down. I've never completely 100% blamed AV for whistle to whistle because where was Gorton, where's Sather when their team is playing like boy scouts? Get the style down first, I'd still guess they want balance, they want speed, but increasingly Gorton is bringing guys with some edge. So if it's a process here of 2-3 years, maybe there's not much harm holding AV over - if there's no young coach they're excited about. They owe hom a lot of $, not that itd stop them from axing him. Maybe when they think the group is close, they bring a guy to get them over the finish line, if they're convinced Vigneault's not it. Again no coach has won Cup after 5 years with a team, but what about when you change 80% of the roster? Dunno.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:16 pm EST

My son was invited to join the Humboldt Broncos last season. We decided to keep him in the USA. He very well could have been on that bus tonight. Our hearts hurt here for the families and all of those impacted by this horrible event.

Bob


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:53 pm EST

Hospo: I find him absolutely dreadful to listen to. Yet, he is also insightful. In short, I like what he has to say, I just don’t like him.

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:36 pm EST

With respect to Frankie Valli, Bye bye AV Gooood Bye. He got close and while we had the speed he just would not concede that grit, toughness and sometimes nastiness are needed to be a champion. Having said all that I wouldn’t be surprised if the post trade record ( about .500) saves him. If Gorton doesn’t retain AV then I suspect he truly is in charge and doesn’t need Sathers blessing. Tough but excited for 2018/19.

Jake0104


Fri Apr 6 2018 6:13 pm EST

Actually for anyone who couldn't take it anymore, Reddit is fantastic cause you can get opponents call. Even the total homers are fresh air compared to msg zombies.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 6:08 pm EST

I gave you one Ola, was waiting for you to figure it out. I forgot the 3rd but the 2nd was maybe Mann, Hershey, developed some good D for Caps and was with Charlotte for a year. A bunch of those guys were also on a tsn piece, dont know it has any legs, so to speak

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 6:06 pm EST

On Giant Douche Valliquette, no doubt he's a smart cookie, just ask him..condescending and smug as hell...It's not what he says, but how he says it... I don't watch hockey to be lectured by an academic ass..He can keep his "stick steering" to himswlf

Hospo


Fri Apr 6 2018 6:03 pm EST

Micheletti gets a bit of a bad rap. He's a white bread hockey color guy, not bad for a former player. Like a lot of guys hes got a different tone away from msg's fake news policy lol. (That was for you mfy) on national games. I'll take that over the Emericks & Gary Thornes who invent sayings never uttered in the history of hockey because they don't know the game, yet wind up in the hall of fame. LaGrecca & Maloney alternate between decent & a complete disgrace to the legacy of Marc & Red light, which I hold dear. That was a fuckin' broadcast team. Just like Gorden & the Big Whistle lol. Stemmers real good on radio, btw.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:59 pm EST

GG- Haha I barely remember, when you replied to me earlier in the week. And also prior to that on the coaching candidate. Got any more intel on the later BTW?

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:55 pm EST

On the MSG crew, besides a few experts coming in with some fresh air and really trying to cover the game my experience is that all other changes are for the worse. The best is really the guys who have been around so long that you don’t even notice them. Rosen has sorted into that cathegory for me. Think Micheletti is really skilled at his craft, he is fast and has phenomenal track of things — but I wonder if I ever heard him say anything that I found interesting.

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:53 pm EST

Uh-oh. What I do now?

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:48 pm EST

Thanks GG!

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:42 pm EST

Trade MF, trade. He's has $875K on the books next season and $825K the year after. I would imagine if we ate those amounts (or even up to 50%), someone will be willing to take him off our hands. At the very least as a throw in on another trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:34 pm EST

Valiquettes done a good job introducing a few new looks in analysis packages. The entire rest of both broadcast teams, tv & radio, and save for Kenny Albert, they should blindfold & shoot.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:22 pm EST

Vic valli is no dummy...whether he could be a coach another story...but he is a goalie coach....gggg hire him fire alaire, hanky demands a trade....your dream, others nightmare....

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:20 pm EST

[Opens door]....Actually,I like VALIQUETTE!!...There, I said it!... [Runs out of the room]

Vic


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:15 pm EST

Rhet: Belesky has 2 yrs remaining at $1.9mill per Cap Friendly... How do we dump that?

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:14 pm EST

Gggg veenyo reads this and he’s after you with hanky....

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:12 pm EST

Maybe Henrik is banging Valiquette, both in full gear. Surrounded by barking poodles lol. Freaky deaky. 'Who's the starter?! Who starts.... every... fucking... game?!!' Haaaa

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:10 pm EST

Pj he sounds light in the loafers ... nyr pick #7 fungole ba fungol

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:08 pm EST

In regard to Matt Beleskey and Sean Fogarty, I would have to imagine that this will be both players last hurrah. Fogarty wont be re-signed and Beleskey will most likely be dumped somewhere. I recommend both olayers go balls to the wall if they want to see tomorrow,

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:04 pm EST

Un-Gotz can play...Quit whining...

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:02 pm EST

Although he does seem a little light in the figure skates....

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:00 pm EST

I don't care if the next coach is a 2 peckered unicorn as long as we get to the S.C.Finals

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:59 pm EST

If we pick 8th, it's Stunod, 9th Bacalao, 10th Un-Gotz

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:57 pm EST

My wife asked me if Valiquette was gay...Not that their is anything wrong with that....

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:55 pm EST

Valliquette knows the game but not great for tv ....

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:54 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re donuts backwards... you’re on ...

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:53 pm EST

Irving moofman Jacques I’ll take valliquette over Assvipe

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:51 pm EST

BookieLegs: add a doughnut to the bet and we'll grant you until Friday 13, 2018, same odds, 2:1

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:50 pm EST

Flyers lose panthers win two , cryers will be out crying.... need that little bit of sweet revenge after all the castor oil...

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:49 pm EST

A whole lot of nothing..... Alain Vigneault met with the media following practice on Friday and said (NYR): ....On Cody McLeod, "he is definitely not playing tomorrow. The abdominal strain hasn't gotten better so he is basically done." ....On it being the last practice and the last game of the season, "gotta get ready for our game. At the end of the day we have talked about doing our jobs right till the end, since we have been eliminated, and that is what we are trying to do. We had a short practice but the execution and intensity was good and we will go to Philly and try to win a game." ....On the game still meaning something to the Flyers, "they are going to be ready. This is a big game for them, this is their whole season. If they get a point they are in. We will have to prepared, there is no doubt." ....On Vesey, "he has had some good games and some other ones where he probably hasn't been as successful. Jimmy has to find his identity, what is he, is a power forward, a skilled player? I know what I would like him to be, a power forward that goes to the front of the net, if you look at 80% of the goals score, it's a couple of feet from the net on second opportunities and tap ins and I think he has that capability and being hard to play against. Like any young player, that is part of going through the process and understanding what it is to be a pro. He is in that phase, some guys figure it out and some others it takes a little longer." ....On what he learned about himself this year, "ask me that same question tomorrow after the game and I will have a real good answer for you." ....On Chytil and Andersson, "there is no doubt that this is good for them. It gives them a feel for the NHL pace, a real good idea of what it takes and what they will need to work on to play at this level. Two different types of players. Filip is a very fluid skater, can take away with his speed. With Lias you can see the determination and the puck battles, they both have some very good qualities and it was a first taste for them. With coaching help, with themselves pushing themselves with the right attitude and work ethic, in my mind they are going to learn from these games. You can see Filip's progression from the beginning of the year to now. This should help them in what they need to do this summer and coming into camp next year." ...On Chytil and Andersson, "Chytil has had more of a pro experience, came here, started here, went to Hartford right away. Different players and both bring different things to the table but both qualities, like I said, this short little window where they got a chance to play should be something positive for them." ....On changes up front, "I'm looking at a couple of things here, gonna talk to my coaches on the train ride down and see what we come up with." Will you try to get Andersson different linemates, "it's something we are looking at for sure."

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:46 pm EST

PJ, easy does it, there may be a latent Valiquette fan who wants to see him be the next coach.........

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:32 pm EST

Jesus Christ RDW. Not to my knowledge. But he's been fucking the Rangers for 3-4 years now.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:32 pm EST

Valiquette and Dickaletti drive me crazy...Not sure what anyone sees in them....I guess I am used to Nosen...Wouldn't care if he retired though...

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:28 pm EST

As for Dickaletti and Blosen Nosen, It is pure torture listening to them call a game with their Ranger propaganda bull shit and total inability to say anything interesting...And then there's smug douche Valiquette...Just makes a terrible team even harder to take

Hospo


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:27 pm EST

Congrats to Quickie and Skinny Jeans....The skinniest kids at fat camp....

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:25 pm EST

_ARC - Nah, you are right....But I still want to knock the Flyers out...and I dont give a shit about prospects until they are close to the NHL...........Hmmm..Player's MVP and the Fan award??.The King must be doing something right .....That being said, I still hope he recognizes that the last month is just a snippet of what he will be facing the next two years and agrees to a trade to a contender..Rangers can play Matt Belesky in goal for all i care next year..

Hospo


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:22 pm EST

I like those call ups...A little rumble in Filthy tomorrow....

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:22 pm EST

GG: Did Henrik bang your wife?

Rdw


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:11 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago OFFICIAL: Henrik Lundqvist has been named the Rangers’ Most Valuable Player as voted on by members of the #NYR media.

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:10 pm EST

tank you tomorrow...New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 51s51 seconds ago OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forwards Matt Beleskey and Steven Fogarty from @WolfPackAHL.

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:10 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago OFFICIAL: Jesper Fast has been selected as the recipient of the Players’ Player Award as selected by his #NYR teammates.

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:09 pm EST

excuse me it was the media...how many are there 3?

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:08 pm EST

gggg he unfortunately saved assvipe's job, after almost getting him fired....veenyo paid off the players who didn't want to vote for hanky...

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:05 pm EST

Who decided, his momma? Maybe his poodles... hahaha... The Rangers have announced that Henrik Lundqvist has been named team MVP. This is Lundqvist's 9th time as MVP of the Rangers, also winning the award for seven consecutive seasons from 2006-07 to 2012-13 and then again in 2015-16.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:05 pm EST

give me until Friday the 13th 4/13/18 and you are on....you need caffeine....and milk moof....

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 3:54 pm EST

BookieLegs: I'll bet you a cup of Decaf, black no sugar, and give you 2 : 1 odds that AssVipe Bidet is here past April 10th..

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 3:37 pm EST

moofman start the assvipe countdown...dead-man chewing gum.....should be in 7 days or less....my bet is 4/10.....

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 3:35 pm EST

irving moofman jack place your bet ....and go get your shine box....brown nose.....

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 3:34 pm EST

the nyr had grit 12 months ago, they just don't use it very often.....why ?....you can surmise.....

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 3:20 pm EST

Three weeks ago I would have made a large bet AV would be gone after the season....I am not sure now...Him and the assistants teaching the young players and patting them on the back....Putting on a good show....Scares me to be honest....But then I see him put Andersson between Holland and Carey last night and I say he has to be gone....

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:49 pm EST

Hurting THEM on the ice...

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:49 pm EST

What makes you think that Hall would thrive under AV ? Under this system and this coach he would be a bust and injury prone, the way he’s playing right now surely looks like someone you build teams around, but there is no guarantee that he would succeed here , his performance would’ve been worse than in Edmonton !

Ilya


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:49 pm EST

Vic the Bruins might not have to worry about Rick Nash hurting ON the ice. LOL

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:47 pm EST

Hospo- I know wher you’re comn from but you also have to consider that IF we are gonna try to get into the top4 to get one of these generational talents, it’s going to much much easier to trade with a top4 team If we were offering the 7th pick as aopposed to the 10th. Besides that, as I’ve said in the past this draft imo has 6 almost can’t miss type prospects. After that I agree with you in general that good scouting will separate the contenders from the pretenders but it’s still a pretty big crapshoot. But Dahlin, Svechnikov, Boqvist, Zadina, Tkachuk, and Bouchard are really pretty close to surefires imo and changes the whole dynamic of this team going forward. Also, I’d like to come away with one of these guys and then still have something left over to try and pluck one of the best from the rest of the pack. But it were at 10, it’s going to cost huge chunk of the Capital we have amassed. For that, I will suck it up and watch them lose to whoever because come next year, this potential win wouldn’t matter one single iota but the Benifits of losing I will hopefully enjoy for years to come (and god willing maybe lead to us getting our hands on the big one). Delayed gratification my friend

_Arc


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:46 pm EST

E. CheerS and spot on. But I was joking about the foul name calling. And...It is not blasphemy when it is the truth!

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:27 pm EST

Here is an interesting thing I noticed. Of all of the Ranger veterans dealt away at the deadline (NASH, MILLER, McDONAGH, HOLDEN and GRABNER) only one of them is actually a plus player for their new team from a +/- perspective. GRABNER is +2. Everyone else is a minus with NASH and HOLDEN tied for the worst at -4.

Vic


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:27 pm EST

Stranger: I can’t stand Joe. He’s boring. He can’t stay on track. He’s more interested in human interest stories. His voice is uninspiring. When possible, I put on the radio feed and watch the game volume off. Because I think Maloney and Albert are infinitely more entertaining. Here is my test. My tv doesn’t face my kitchen. Because I’m 3-hours behind y’all I often am watching the game while prepping food for the fam. Since I can’t see the screen all I have for some of the time is Sam’s voice and Joe’s insight. So, when Sam is calling the game I have absolutely zero feel for what’s going on. He has too many pauses and is never in the play. And Joe wants to talk about what a great guy the third floor janitor is and how he has missed two weeks with an ingrown toe nail. But he has such a great family. The best!!! It’s damn near useless for me. You listen to the Randy Hahn’s of llaycalling and you can close your eyes and see the game in your head. And I can even malign Emeick for his endless use of bizarre phrasing and curdling annoying voice but you know what? He produces a visual image for you. When he comes up with these terms, spiked away, stripped, shuffled, ricocheted, knifed or the seemingly endless other words I can at least visualize exactly what’s going on. And that’s why Sam needs to retire. He used to be able to give you that. Now? He just doesn’t. And I like Sam. I grew up with his voice. I remember when he started out. It’s just sometimes it’s time. And I know that MSG would likely only let him go on his terms out of respect. And I’m sure not that many people are nearly as critical as I am. And some might even consider it blasphemous to criticize Sam this way. But ultimately hockey is an escape. I love to play it, I love to coach it, and it’s in my DNA. And as obviously I can’t skate like I used to, and ice packs on the knees and lower back still come out after I play sometimes. My wife gets it. It’s just what I do. And hopefully I’m still skating when I’m 80. I only fear that Sam may still be calling the game by the time I get there.

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:13 pm EST

seem...

Vic


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:12 pm EST

NEWFIE: My guess is that you feel that way because this team is really just a collection of complimentary players. There is nothing wrong with them, except if you start thinking about building around them. You don't build around the players the Rangers have. You add the players the Rangers have to build around the real young studs you have up front and on D. That is the problem and it has been the problem for a long time. There is only one solution to it but a lot of fans can't see to handle it. They go spastic at the mere thought and start posting gibberish and straw man arguments against it.

Vic


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:11 pm EST

Well at least the door has been ripped wide open for change. He team has almost zero size, skill, grit, and now experience. Plenty of cap room to sign over the hill UFAS! Yippie. Get enough of them and AV can remain head coach! Ouch too close to reality for me..

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:03 pm EST

It's the current coach who scares me the most!!!

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:03 pm EST

Hospo.........yes,I guess it's a pretty scarey team all over..........right now.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:56 pm EST

NEWFIE - EVERY player on this team scares me, even the ones I want to keep----Kreider, Skjei and, well, that's about it!

Hospo


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:49 pm EST

Fake Ranger Fans, Imposters, the entire Garden full of them.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJeXbfEHVR8

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:47 pm EST

PJ..........I said it on here before and I'll say it again..........we as a team are putting way to much stock in guys like Buch, Vesey and even Hayes...........they scare me moving forward. We can't just build around what we have ,we have to bring in some quality people from outside.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:46 pm EST

Faux-Fan-Legs: I'd wager that you're one of those fans that Chanted, "Eddie Eddie" along with the other 18,000 fans in the stadium and umpteen more at home, and then rooted for the Redwings to beat the Rangers.... What kind of fan are you? Bet you booed when the NYR's scored in that game too... Bet you found yourself rooting for Giacomin everytime you watched that game afterward too.. What kind of NYR Fan are you? .... Better get yourself a copy of, "How to be a NY Rangerfan for Dum-Bees!" ta ta now, run along

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:43 pm EST

Funny. Nobody seems to have a problem with Dickeletti.

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:36 pm EST

gggg now that has some logic to jitters being grumpy.....probably his agent told him that between brain farts .....you can call guys by their posting name , might be less friction....but feel free to say assvipe.....even though many don't like that...

stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:35 pm EST

The thoughts Buch would be thinkin....he could be another Lincoln if he only had a .......Did Vesey even play last night?...The guy is a passenger...Once I start watching the game I could never root for the Rangers to lose...Just can't do it...

PJ


Fri Apr 6 2018 1:00 pm EST

Raanat upped in arizona. 3 years at 4.25m each

Ranger Dude


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:41 pm EST

Keep going GG

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:12 pm EST

being insubordinate to your employer will cost you way more, especially short term...

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:10 pm EST

Cutting thru the mushroom-induced haze, word is Miller ultimately refused to play center, fearing in a contract year his #'s would suffer and it'd cost him millions. FLBs Yorkie-Kis-RangerDoolittle & BusEy can tell you the rest, I'm sure LOL!!!

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:05 pm EST

E. Amen to the guys in the booth. There drivel makes having t he sound on unbareable. Makes th is year all the harder to take! While we are at it can we send Sterling and Waldman out to pasture as well?

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:02 pm EST

Maybe we can do a slight of hand thing and swap the real Slayer tape for as fake? ;-)

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 12:01 pm EST

And since we are also in a moment of change, maybe we could see Rosen read the tea leaves I’ve left him and ride off into the sunset and take Joe with him. No better time then the present.

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:53 am EST

And my belief is that as a franchise, if you are out of the playoff picture and in a moribund position as the New York Rangers are you might as well lose every game to get into the best position that you can in the draft. That’s the reality. You want to draft as close as you can get. You want a franchise player. For a franchise that is the fastest track back to being competitive. Winning useless games from a franchise perspective (especially if you don’t have issues putting asses in seats or other financial insecurities) is completely counter towards this cause. And that’s just how it is. You suck like the New York Rangers have and walk away with the hyped up messiah that Dahlin is and you are completely justified for losing those worthless throw away games. But that’s from the sky high view. Zoom it in, and be where the New York Rangers are. They went the seppuko way. And they brought up their depth and said, “show us what you’ve got. Show us you belong here.” And so, you have coaches, and players not wired to lose. If I’m Neil Pionk are you really asking me to mail it in so the New York Rangers can draft higher? I want to be able to go home to my family and make it rain. I want that money, and the glory. So, I’m gonna bring everything I have. I should choke on a job interview so they can hire someone with a better resume? Never gonna happen. So, maybe if the New York Rangers sucked more, and for longer this all becomes moot. But they don’t. They’re not good but they have talent. And you have to evaluate. Some guys are never gonna make it. Or they’re gonna be a tweener like Sproul. But some guys are thriving like Hayes who is making a case for himself. So, zooming out is a luxury for the fans. After all, might as well get something great for the vomitus nightlyus. But a good young team won’t give you that. And you have guys who want to show that they belong.

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:46 am EST

E: agreed, The cassette is worth too much.

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:36 am EST

Stranger: Domi is very talented. However, he is not his father. He carries the name for sure and that means he has to stand up for himself but he’s not really a fighter. He has an agitator component to his game. My MWO on it is that so did Miller. I don’t think Domi is much worse. He has been plagued with inconsistency since coming into the league. They haven’t found a consistent set of linemates with him that he meshes well with. So, there is some of the “I’m in AZ disease.” I see a lot of good potential in him. I think he needs a fresh start. He would really benefit greatly from being with a team that has experience. I think he can be reclaimed. I don’t think he is worth a first at this time. And my inside information says that AZ wants a 1st, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 5th, three bottles of lemonade flavored Gatorade, 2 rolls of maroon stick tape, and a Maxell cassette tape labeled “Slayer mix to have sex to.” I scoff at that deal. The cassette is worth too much.

E


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:32 am EST

Where did the alcohol/substance abuse stories about Hall come from? First (and only) time I heard it was on here when Rhet mentioned it but quoted the source (George Laraque) and then rightfully so added the tidbit that the source has been known to float unproven rumours previously. Finally, whatever Hall's problems were, if any existed at all beyond just fed up with the constant negative atmosphere in Edmonton, he sure is doing just fine now, isn't he? I know who'd I'd rather have today when it comes to Hall vs McD. Here's an article opining on Laraque's verbal spew: https://thehockeywriters.com/george-laraque-blasts-taylor-hall/

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:20 am EST

RDW......don't know what is going on with Domi lately either ? But he just turned 23......in 2015-16 he was 18-34 for 52 pts.....he works hard and is feisty as all hell. There are a couple of guys we have right now I would let go to pick up this kid......in a heart beat.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:15 am EST

Limbo: I respectfully disagree, look at the percentages of landing a lottery pick, picks 1, 2, or 3 with the 8th & 9th place worst records removed... 7th worst record overall, 6.5%, 6.7%, 6.5% ..... versus 10th worst record overall, 3.5%, 4.5%, 3.5% ...... It's a heck of a lot more appealing for Any club we may try to trade up with in the draft to accept the 7th overall pick versus the 10th overall pick..... It's a game of inches, and the difference between winning it all and not could be in the summation of the details..... jmcjcnsho-snatcherally

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:11 am EST

RF4L / B0B..........the GM in EDM should be fired just on this trade alone ! Hall is right now (and future)one of the top 5 or 6 players in the entire league.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:03 am EST

RDW: Domi's stats (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8892/stats) ... .61 ppg avg on an Arizona squad..... Could be an important 2nd / 3rd line contributer, the TRADERATOR indicates he's not of a "whistle to whistle" lineage......

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 11:00 am EST

RDW I would absolutely look into it. Don't know what Domi's problem is other than playing in AR or maybe he just isn't that good. Don't know enough to make that call but Gorto needs to look at that closely for sure.

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:54 am EST

and if McDonagh's list of injuries got out to the public the scales would have balanced out "some."

mf


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:54 am EST

HOSPO, this is the NYR. We will win AND stoopid PHI will get to the playoffs regardless. Can't have something good without a little pain too. Agree most likely no big difference between 7-10. Regardless, if we don't get a game changer (1-3 overall pick) be that from sucking, draft luck, trade, whatever, in 10 years we probably would have treaded water all this time. NYR need a stud in the worst way. Looking at the league, is there ANY other team, other than us, that has NOT picked 1, 2, or 3 over the past 51 years. Pretty sure the answer is no. Probably a decent correlation between cups and 1-3 overall picks.

limbo


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:52 am EST

Bf sal, with youre little mind that would happen pretty quickly

Ranger Dude


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:44 am EST

Anyone have any interest any in getting Domi from Arizona? Not sure what it would take but I'm hoping we can use some kind of package Spooner/Namestnikov and change to do get it done. Probably wishful thinking on my part though

RDW


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:40 am EST

If Jeff Gorton traded Ryan McDonagh two years ago for oft-injured Taylor Hall,fresh out of rehab, and that became public, people here would have lost their ever-loving minds! But why let facts get in the way of some good know-it-all revisionist crapola.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:33 am EST

Incidentally I saw where Rasmus Jesus Dahlen shut himself down due to fatigue, this after not playing much at Olympics. Maybe red flags, maybe nothing but I'd do my very best homework before missing on a no.1 overall, because they do miss. OR they're not quite the player they're projected as which affects your game plan. Erik Johnson in Colorado I think was like that, though he's turned into a real good player. NYStranger, what's happened in Pittsburgh, as most everybody knows, is such an abomination, such an amatuer hour that never ends, it's really hard believe it's just the idea of keeping the team vibrant. Giving them generational players is one thing, but giving them every call & non-call forever? It's like someone's got the drop on Bettman, and I can't even remember before him, John Zeiglet I think. Really unbefitting a pro league.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:24 am EST

Bob: Yep...remember I started musing about trading McD for him at least 2 years ago when 1) the Oilers endless shittiness seemed to getting worse 2) rumours were starting that Hall might be available. Gorton missed the boat on this move for sure but in his defense, the Rangers were still on their misguided cup hunt.

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:17 am EST

RF4L— Popping in to say that you sure were right about Taylor Hall. What a player. Traded for Adam Larsson. I still shake my head.

Bob


Fri Apr 6 2018 10:14 am EST

RDWL: I suspect the Islanders have already annoyed JT with their continual incompetence and inability to find a home to play in. I do concur, however, that NJ stands as a good chance to sign JT as the Rangers (if not better) if stating in the NY area is important to him.

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:58 am EST

RF4L: I think there are a few factors at play with JT and I'm guessing the draft is going to be one of them. The only way we have a snowball's chance in hell at him is if we win the lottery and get Dahlin and somehow the Islanders really piss him off, and some other potential locations for him really screw the pooch as well. Even then it's like 1%. Probably a better chance he goes to the Devils. They have plenty of cap room and he can play with Hall.

RDW


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:54 am EST

_Arc - Best thing is for them to lose, I know, but personally, I couldnt care less about the draft slot after the first three or four..You know damn well that there will be players after the 10th draft pick that will be just as good as the 7th pick..And look what the Rangers did with the 7th pick this year..getting somebody like Andersson..nice player but no world beater and somebody that probably would have went after 10 except for the Rangers liking him so much...All comes down to evaluation..If they win against the FLyers, it will be fun to watch and they will still get a good draft pick--the value of which depends on their evaluation..If they don't win, maybe they pickj the same player anyway?

Hospo


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:27 am EST

Their little minds lol. End of sentence, period. Hey Yorkie! Tankers = Losers. Go root for the Flyers!

Gorton Gekko


Fri Apr 6 2018 9:21 am EST

RF- that’s a HUGE (HUGE TOM!!! ) difference picking 7 vs 10. It’s the difference between right handed #1 defensemen (Bouchard) which we have NONE of and getting a pretty good 2 line type forward (Kotkaniemi/ Farabee/ Kupari) or 2D (Wild, Hughes, Dobson) both of which we have plenty of. Like someone said, they’ve got to be complete imbicile to win the game!!!

_Arc


Fri Apr 6 2018 8:47 am EST

Rhet: Yes, there's that factor, too. I think Stamkos waited until he did to resign in effort to squeeze Yzerman. He wanted more than Yzerman and the Bolts were prepared to pay and given the week window now available to other teams to discuss possibilities with pending UFAs, he and his agent tried to leverage that into backing Yzerman into a corner. Clearly, Yzerman wasn't giving in due to all the other soon to be UFAs he had to sign. In the end, therefore, Stamkos' bluff was called. Of course, no taxes helps even things out a bit, especially he was seriously considering Toronto.

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 8:37 am EST

RF4L.... The major difference is that Stamkos looked around and realized he had just as good of a shot (if not better) at winning a cup in Tampa as he did anywhere else. Plus, he was happy there. The Islanders on the other hand, have shown neither the drive or the willingness to spend the money/resources necessary to build a contender. Add to it the fact that they'll be moving for the 3RD time in 3 plus years. I wasn't surprised to see Stamkos go back to the Lightning, but I would be a little BIT if JT went back to the NYI.

Rhet0ric


Fri Apr 6 2018 8:23 am EST

So Philly is 4 points up on Florida with 1 game left. Florida has 2 games. Unfortunately (for Philly) their final game against the Rangers is at 3PM Saturday; Florida's 81st game is at 7PM Saturday. If both teams tie in points, I believe Florida is in because they'll have more wins. Therefore, Saturday's game against the Rangers is basically a must win. Furthermore, a win for Philly gives them a shot at 3rd in the metro. Will the Rangers be spoilers or will they ensure that they finish with the 9th (or better) draft spot? Behind them by a single point are both Chicago and Edmonton. The former has 2 games remaining and the latter 1. It's still possible, therefore, the Rangers could end up with the 7th overall draft spot.

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 8:00 am EST

I know we've chatted about it on here several times, but what a dilemma the Islanders have with JT. It's a little like Stamkos a couple of years ago with Tampa except that the Bolts are clearly a better run organization, have a stronger talent base and have (had at the time at least) a brighter future. Losing Stamkos would have hurt but likely wouldn't have crippled the team; JT bolting the Islanders will set them back considerably you got to think. The fact that JT wasn't even shopped (that's the story anyways) is interesting - was that an ownership decision? Snow's decision? Was the thinking doing that would push JT further out the door? And if JT ultimately ends up resigning after all of this, it begs the question why? Why go through all of this - a year long distraction that only grew as the season dragged on. My gut, FWIW, tells me he's gone - he just seems to non-controversial and loyal (yeah I get the irony) to do something like that and stay. Those who allegedly are in the know firmly believe that if indeed he hits UFA, there's a (garth) snowball's chance in hell he'll cross over to the Rangers due to the antagonistic relationship the 2 franchises have. I don't subscribe to that theory. I believe if staying in the area is important to him, it'll be a significant factor in his decision, not to mention what every Ranger, especially when they become non-Rangers, say about the Rangers organization - first class all around plus an amazing city to live in. It sure is a fascinating side-story to the 17/18 season...

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 7:43 am EST

ola: Did you write it this way as a pun? "Dan was like 14+5 and Dan 5+12 or something like that." If so, well done!!! ;^)

rF4l


Fri Apr 6 2018 7:40 am EST

To tank or not tp tank - some concepts are too complex for some to understand. Thats fine, some people arent ovetly bright either. A few of those like BF Sal rant and rage and insult becuaee there little minds are so easily frustrated

Ranger Dude


Fri Apr 6 2018 7:30 am EST

GG I guess tanking in Pittsburgh really pissed off the hockey gods for them too. Why don't you come up with another brilliant idea? I root for what ever I want. I root for the best possible course for the team. This 'Tank job' or 'reset' should of happened after the ECF loss to Tampa. It would not have been so painful. But some 'fans' would complain and whine like babies I am sure. All we get is tenth pick because this team can't even lose right! Ha! Oh and JT Miller is going to become the next Gretzky in Tampa...man if only we had more patience in NY. Wow.

NYStranger


Fri Apr 6 2018 6:00 am EST

I found them, Joel and Max Wahlgren. Eligible for the 19' draft. Looking at their stats, they don't seem to be big stars yet. But they are still young so who knows! The Sedins were so effin big and strong when they were 16. Like 6'2 190 lbs. Tremendous balance and puck skills. Playing against one guy like that, you can basically just throw bodies at him and do whatever and eventually he will get caught up most of the time. And still an elite talent like that can end up scoring you know like 3, 4 or even 5 pts on a great night against you. But against two guys, who could move the puck like that between them, you couldn't stop them. It was just fascinating. Two teams with 16-17 y/o of very committed kids being perfectly OK hockey players that on a normal day tie a game like 3-3, then you throw two 16 y/o on the ice for one of those teams and that team wins 21-0... First a 2 minut shift, 2-0. Then on the other shift, like 4 min into the game, 5-0.

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:46 am EST

Ola I missed their name but Msg hyping as the new sedins...

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:43 am EST

Stevie- No, who are they? I have some vague memory about hearing about some new Swedish twins, but I don't know who they are.

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:30 am EST

Ola have you seen the new twin kids the nose was hyping last night wearing #44&55?

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:22 am EST

Gggg by the way I was one who hoped the losing streak in the beginning of the season would last longer in order to get a new coach. Guess I’m not a fan and should get banned.... gmafb....the gods are keeping hanky here for a reason.... in your logic it’s to torture you....lol have fun .... paying fans deserve a partial refund this year.....or a discount for next season..... don’t hold your breath....

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 5:16 am EST

Gggg the hockey gods are already pissed of with the nyr and now they are pushing for a new coach. No pain no gain. But please post the rules to being a fan so I can follow them . Maybe you work for Msg ? ..... I’m not a big fan of the draft and picks since most of the time it’s a crap shoot. This year hopefully the nyr get a real guaranteed #1 pick who can play in the nhl next season.

Stevielegs


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:46 am EST

My claim to fame, played [sic] against the Sedins. They were on a different planet. My team (i was only a spare, was a year younger so I sat at the bench basically when needed, a few shifts here and there) was 3rd in the league, their team was 5th. Sedins had played higher up the ranks with older teams (U20/men’s team). We lost 21-0, litterary. Dan was like 14+5 and Dan 5+12 or something like that. We weren’t a bad team, but...

Ola


Fri Apr 6 2018 4:25 am EST

HOSPO: you are correct. If the Bruins lose in regulation to the Rangers and the Panthers win later that day AND their makeup game against the Bruins with at least one of them in regulation or OT they will end up with the same number of points and the ROW tiebreaker and the Flyers will be knocked out. IMHO the team isn’t worried about a draft position or two nor a couple percentage points in the lottery. I do think they will try to win just as they have. However human nature being what it is, the Rangers players (for the most part) will be trying to Get through the game uninjured and get to the off-season to relax a bit and then start preparing for next season. The Flyers will have the knowledge that they NEED a point and will want to end the regular season at home with a win and they will have no thoughts of avoiding injury because they will be battling for the playoffs. Not that the Rangers can’t win, it’s just kind of stacked against them on so many fronts.

Wildcard


Fri Apr 6 2018 2:52 am EST

See beyond the immediate; kinda like TANKING. People here spent months rooting against this team because they knew best. Hope for losses & better draft position. Real Einstein shit. Where'd it get ya? 10th? LOL. Serves SUPERFANS right. I told youse, it's IMMORAL. Its said everyone's entitled to their opinion. But when its fandom, becoming an anti-fan? Rooting for the FILTHY Pittsburgh Penguins and Sid fuckin Crosby? Puke. Thats when youve gone to the other side, and i dont think you should be able to turn on a dime and be considered a full-fledged fan, i really don't. Disgusting - and it pisses off the Hockey Gods. We don't have enough rotten luck, we need to generate more? Nice goin'.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 11:51 pm EST

Hospo...lol...all good my wall friend. I get it. Try to see beyond the immediate...

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 11:32 pm EST

Hopefully I'm reading this properly... Once again these are the % odds for winning the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd lottery pick: 7th worst record, 6.5%, 6.7%, 6.5% ..... 8th worst, 6.0%, 5.8%, 6.0% ..... 9th worst, 5.0%, 5.4%, 5.0% ..... 10, 3.5%, 4.5%, 3.5% ..... We just moved from 10th down to 9th so cumulatively, we picked up a combined 3.9% chance to draft in the top 3.... every little bit helps

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:48 pm EST

Anyway, have never been so anxious for a season to end, knowing the next game isn't for 6-7 months. Just a really weird season. Losings never pretty.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:45 pm EST

Yeah yours may have been but Bob still hates me lol. There is nothing else. Bunch of b.s.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:40 pm EST

If the Rangers lose game 82 and the Oilers lose in OT/SO ...the Rangers will have the tie-breaker because they both would have 31 ROW but I think the Rangers beat the Oilers both times this year....

tradestar28


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:38 pm EST

Less said the better..leave well enough alone..Let sleeping mutts lie..what else is there?

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:36 pm EST

Don't get your rant. In my post the other day, my words were aimed at EVERYONE involved in the unpleasantness, which means not only you. This has happened before, and it is always more than one or two people involved. I hope that's understood.

Jratelle19


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:32 pm EST

4-3 final score. Oilers play Canucks in their last game. Very winnable

Jratelle19


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:32 pm EST

JR19, you're right, it's lovely. But like you just threw something up you thought worth sharing, how's you like if I jumped all kinds of ugly with you? And about 10 others did the same. Handled it best I could, and on the venom scale I lost huge, took much more than I gave. Just sayin'& I'm done with it.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:25 pm EST

MF... I agree. Winning on Saturday would be more ego than anything else. Moving up 2-3 picks for the entire draft could be huge for us ....VIC.... The dream is alive! EDM is up 4-2

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:23 pm EST

4-2 oilers....6 minutes left. Ahhh, when things are civil here, I read every post and don't need to skip over 20 posts filled with venom. Like I wrote a couple of days ago: everyone here can add so many positives to our discussions.

Jratelle19


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:21 pm EST

Eh... I can't categorize him as special teams guy, only cause he was up with league leaders in 5-on-5 pts at one point, I'm almost certain I heard that. It was like Ovechkin, Malkin, Buch. Dunno man, he's young, he took a headshot, the team blows lol.. inconclusive but frustrating.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:16 pm EST

GG - yes, he's good on the PP..another Ranger that likes the easiness of open ice but cant get the job turn as much at ES when you have to fight harder..This team is a long way away from needing PP slecialist and ES floaters

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:14 pm EST

Miffy you actually touched on something vital, kind of like a squirrel. That line is spectacular when going. Regardless what I think, Buch prob here to start next year. PPs key for him too.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:12 pm EST

MF - Still no excuse for a vanishing act..cant rely on other players

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:11 pm EST

Yeah I'm just breakin balls. Kitchens cool by me, he cracks me up. Ain't gonna be no more trouble. Weird though, not only have my detractors vanished but all these longtime lurkers who emerged from the shadows to take a swipe & blamed me for them not visiting or pisting? Not a word. Whatever. Lifes too short.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:11 pm EST

IIRC Buch's best minutes were on a line with Kreider & Zbad.... Both guys missed games to injury, and, AV moved Buch around some....

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:06 pm EST

Yeah, unusual disparity for any player. I'm with you on Buch, right deal I'll take a chance with a different player. Luv Buch's skill & his little edge but to me a guy like that needs an extra gear to really break out - and I don't see it, or see where he gets it, unless he goes mountain training with Hagelin (which I think everyone should do anyway).

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:03 pm EST

As for my pal Kitchen1, I dont mind him taking shots at me, I deserve some of them, just as long as he keeps it funny and friendly..it's only the damn Rangers

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:02 pm EST

GG - On Buch the Scarecrow, hardto remember that he had that many points so long ago..He totally disappeared the last three months..I think 1 GOAL since January 21st....He has the skill, and he gets pissed, but he needs to ut much more effort on the ice and especially in the weight room uf he ever wants to be something...Only he is stopping him, not AV

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:57 pm EST

Interesting #s on Buch. Led us in scoring at home, think they said 31pts. Only 12 road pts. Also got some VERY interesting stuff on what transpired with our center position. It really makes sense in light of what occurred. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to appear here lol. Oh Hospo, Kitchen? Ignore him. Even if he brings 12 hostile cousins lol!!

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:54 pm EST

RE: Sat against Philly: I have hated the Flyers as much as anyone since the 70's; however if losing to them on Saturday increases our odds for a lottery pick, so be it.... It's going to be a loooooong off-season for us......

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:49 pm EST

Lol Hospo.Just repeating what they're saying on radio, because it is a bit of a benchmark, but many think we're weak up the middle still. I'd put it this way. Z was totally on pace for 40. Forget his other shortcomings. When he's healthy he produces. Even a 35 goal center, I'm not gonna have many complaints. Hayes, lots of goals lately in what is garbage time but I do think he's figuring it out. Nevermind he shouldve figured out hockey players need to shoot a long time ago. You still won't hear me saying we're strong up the middle, but the kids can tip the balance. Wait n see.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:34 pm EST

Kitchen1: are you firing the Sous Chef after this season, or are you bringing him back to coach the baby Rangers next season?

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:32 pm EST

"Pulled a Namestikov" :-)

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:31 pm EST

mf - ?????

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:31 pm EST

kitchen1 - Guilty as charged!

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:31 pm EST

Hospo please, there could be children reading....

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:30 pm EST

RF4L Sorry...Losing bugs the shit out of me...As does the utterly boring hockey the Rangers play night in and night out...The House that Gordo built!!

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:30 pm EST

He can't fucking help himself!!!

kitchen1


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:26 pm EST

Hospo: Man, you've moved from the dark side to the depressing side. I read your posts and realize it's a good thing I use an electric razor now!!

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:26 pm EST

RF4L - You mean he pulled a Namestnikov?

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:25 pm EST

ANd, I may be wrong, but with the PANTHERS beating BOSTON tonight (after beaating Nashville)..PHILLY has to at least get a point agasint the Rangers on SAT or miss the POs if FLA wins after...Personally, I dont give a Rinkrats ass about "moving up" a spot in the Draft..but I would love to knock the freakin Flyers out of a PO spot..Do the current players and coaching staff ha ve enough pride to try and win? WIll Magemnent "make them" Lose??

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:23 pm EST

Watched some of the Leafs/Devils game - never saw Grabner at all. Assume he's hurt? Surely he wasn't THAT invisible??

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:20 pm EST

Which one was -20, which one was a +1 on one of the worst teams in the League....Hey, you ZBAD as your #1 C, you can have him..good luck with having a winning team anytime soon

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:18 pm EST

Which one didn't kill penalties every night? Which one during the second half played D agasint the better C's? Which one Had 21 of his 47 points compared to 7 out of 43 on the PP

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:18 pm EST

Unless the Coyotes win tonight in regulation, the.Canadiens just knocked themselves out of third place(before the lottery of course). Florida miraculously beat Boston which still gives us a shot at our pick falling further. Go Winnipeg Go!

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:11 pm EST

FU PIRRI!!! 2 to 1 Vegas

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:10 pm EST

Hospo.... Which one played against inferior lines? Which one has less points despite playing more games?

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:07 pm EST

Tied...

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:07 pm EST

Edmonton and Vegas ties at 1 in the 2nd period. Come on Edmonton!!! Just win baby!!!

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:00 pm EST

GG - Ignore that..too snarky...each have our own likes/dislikes

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:58 pm EST

WHich one lead the team with a -21 and had less assists then JasperFast??

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:51 pm EST

First time 2 centers with 25 goals since Messier-Gretz.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:48 pm EST

Sorry LW

_Arc


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:47 pm EST

Hospo- I also don’t buy the horseshit the garden tries to sell on Ziba. Aside from a few games in the beginning and end, he’s been complete crap. Definitely not the knight in shining armor budding 1C shitalletti keeps harping on. Reminds me of all the garbage the Giants fed the fan base about Eric Flowers last football offseason. I think he needs to be moved to RW where he can just get open and take that shot which is about the only redeeming talent he has. No chance in hell hes going to be the one to lead the forward line

_Arc


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:35 pm EST

Maybe activate veenyo to play in goal? .... FIRE AWAY!!!!

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:31 pm EST

OTOH, the Isles move ahead...DOnt even try to win against Philly ..Play Zucc in goal if you have to!!

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:31 pm EST

Needed to lose in regulation and they did. One more game to go.

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:30 pm EST

Man, the Rangers have to be the most boring team to watch in the NHL..Every game is like sticking needles in your eyes..THis game eptomized the passionless season...even the kids Chytl and Andersson brought little excitement....NICK - I stopped giving HAYES gried months ago..After coming back from a minor injury..he was a different player,,maybe it was the new role..but he simplified his game..no more looping and curling or holding the puck too long..more straight forwad..goes to the net, if not physical, and sets up his linemates well...and plays both ways...EASILY the best center on the team ..I know i'm in the minority but, Despite his goals,ZBAD, outside a recent 8 game stretch recently (followed by six games of crap) was meh most of the year..with half his point on the PP (he does have a damn good shot like a winger)..Pretty much average at best at ES...Horrible defensively (maybe the worst on the Rangers) and does little for his linemates.....Hopefully , in three years when the Rangers might be able to contend, his ass is gone--or they wont have a chance..

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:30 pm EST

I'm sorry but FUCK THIS SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:29 pm EST

Tank you nyr

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:28 pm EST

Halak shot not icing ? Wtf

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:25 pm EST

Nosen and Freakaletti should just spare us the BULLSHIT

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:16 pm EST

Stevie you are way too deep for me....LMAO!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:58 pm EST

So by deduction the nyr are Pigs

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:40 pm EST

Halak translated means Pig Fucker

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:32 pm EST

We have one game left in the entire season and these Douche Bags are still looking for the perfect pass

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:23 pm EST

Italy is out of the World cup So is USA. Rangers out of the Stanley cup playoffs at least I have the beach in a few months

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:22 pm EST

Italy is out of the World cup So is USA. Rangers out of the Stanley cup playoffs

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:16 pm EST

The nyr the big Apple turnovers

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:12 pm EST

Moofman glad he didn’t say cow

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:09 pm EST

Is Hillary at the game? I mean, "Let's Go Rangers!"

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:06 pm EST

These refs are Pig Fuckers

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:50 pm EST

http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/pack-ink-wethersfield-native-david-hallisey-to-ato

RDW


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:50 pm EST

What a shit I mean shift, shit shift

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:47 pm EST

Only 207 or more in their own zone ... defense defense.... back in the house....scramble those eggs

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:45 pm EST

I know we bag on Hayes but I'll take 25 goals from a third center. And Z-Ban with 30 over a full season at No. 2. Or Vladdy with 25. I think the club has depth but no big number one, so everyone has to play up farther than they can or should. Ship Hank to some sucker someplace, pay half his freight and use the rest toward Tavares. Yeah, like that could happen.

Nick


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:44 pm EST

ITS. Like. Watching. Paint. Dry!

_Arc


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:18 pm EST

GOOAAALLL Kevin Purple Hayes

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:16 pm EST

When was the last time Rangers and Icelanders got together and No one gives a SHIT

rangerlou


Thu Apr 5 2018 5:08 pm EST

And something more to muse about: Barfola's GM has stated while he likes the skillset overall of his club (and for sure there are some skilled players on that team), no way can the same team return next year after yet another sorrowful season. Therefore, changes are imminent. He talks about the need for leadership. Could there be a Rangers/Sabres trade fit there somewhere? If they don't win the lottery (and the Rangers don't), could they be open to say something like MZA and the 10th overall pick for their first (which would be 3rd at the worse)?

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 5:08 pm EST

tyson helgeson is a high character player and a true warrior, he will be a solid asset to the ranger orginization ,

docjay


Thu Apr 5 2018 4:54 pm EST

Will Butcher has done well for the Devils, too. I never really realized this but Butcher was an Aves draft who didn't sign and became an UFA and Kerfoot a Devils pick. Both went in the 5th round. Kerfoot 150th overall in 2012 (the Rangers actually had a 5th that year - they took the infamous Thomas Spelling 142nd). Butcher went 123rd a year later - the Rangers pick before that was late in the 4th - 110th: Ryan Graves.

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 4:49 pm EST

Alex Kerfoot on the verge of 20 goals in his rookie season (19 goals and 43 points). Cannot help but wonder if the Rangers year had gone differently if he'd signed with them vs the Aves. I am not calling Kerfoot a saviour but he's done very well for the Aves and certainly is an upgrade over DD. His presence in the lineup may have had a trickle UP effect. Water under bridge of course but something to muse about instead of where JT will go!

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 4:18 pm EST

RDW: t/y..... The Wolf Pack’s next action is this Friday night, April 6, when they travel to Providence to take on the Bruins. Faceoff is 7:05 PM, and all of the action can be heard live on-line at www.979espn.iheart.com and on iHeartRadio. Video streaming is available at www.ahllive.com.

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 3:37 pm EST

http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/wolf-pack-sign-defenseman-tyson-helgesen-to-ato

RDW


Thu Apr 5 2018 2:28 pm EST

Epstein plays with a snarl....

PJ


Thu Apr 5 2018 2:17 pm EST

Arnold horshak moofman don’t touch my hair... 1 porkchop...go play with your puck...

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 2:07 pm EST

I come here to discuss Hockey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1qN6gLbUMw

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 2:05 pm EST

Travolta plays hockey and the nyr want to sign him? He probably wants to stay in California. ....does he play with the name barbarino on his jersey. Pass the nyr have enough of those bozos ... I’m so confused....

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 1:57 pm EST

John Taveras has about as much chance of signing with the Rangers as John Travolta....

PJ


Thu Apr 5 2018 1:46 pm EST

cont.... 7 years at $10-$12.5 mill for the man..... In a city like this one, "NYC" most things cost a premium..... Next, to bring in peripherals such as an IK, maybe they or he want a Jordan Eberle from the ISLES on his flank, a defenseman, well the first guy I'm looking to move to clear Cap is Brendan Smith & his $4.35 mill for the next 3 seasons... Smith was endorsed by McDonagh IIRC, & with the changing of the guards, why not move Smith? ......... 23 days until the "Lottery Draft" for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks, woohoo..........

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 1:40 pm EST

Rhet: thanks for posting El-Bee's article... I take the stand that it's nice to see so much of what is discussed and covered here make it to the public........ So, if there's one player out there on the UFA list that is in fact a game changer for the Ranger's, it's JOHN TAVAERAS..... Could you imagine the Isle fans doing their rendition of, ""Taveras Sucks"" for the next 30+ years?"" Ha! ... I'd overpay for the guy if we have to.... We may have to trade for his rights to get the jump on the rest of the league.... However, would a John Taveras be willing to not only cross the river, but come to a club that's in the current disarray that the NY Rangers are in? .......... Back to the #'s, don't be shocked to hear 7 years at $10-$

mf


Thu Apr 5 2018 12:39 pm EST

What if John Tavares signs with the Rangers.... https://nypost.com/2018/04/05/what-if-john-tavares-signs-with-the-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 5 2018 11:25 am EST

Seeing youse going back & forth on AV, few things. One, I still don't think it's decided he goes. He's certainly acted like someone who wants to stick around, including that bit about his VC team, which was a nasty group to play against. And I've never been able to fully reconcile that with the product on the ice with the Rangers, especially since AV himself was a tough D who fought pretty frequently, though I never remember seeing him play. And maybe after Torts they went overboard in the other direction. But I always think these things fall to players, they're the ones who react or not. I looked up Brandon Prusts 1st full year here, 13 goals/29pts and just a tremendous tone-setting season, everyone else fell in line behind the black & blue mantra. Still think it's odds on A/V is relieved, but finding that player is more important imo.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Apr 5 2018 11:18 am EST

RHET: fair enough. I realize that Teows also probably has some inflation on his stats because of the presence of Kane but he is also solid for 60-70 points per. Take away Kane and there wasn’t much of a drop off. If anything, he stepped up and into the hole.

E


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:43 am EST

rF4l: I'm in favor of getting a young, fresh-minded coach rather than an older retread. But somehow I do not see Ranger management taking a chance on someone who does not have a proven track record in the NHL. It's a tough situation to have unproven young guys being guided by an unproven coach. It'll be interesting to see what they decide to do.....

Ranger47


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:28 am EST

stevie: I know some disagree but I honestly believe the lack of push-back on this club starts with the coach and his publicly stated position that he wants his team to play 'whistle to whistle' plus his usual unhappy reactions when a Ranger did take retaliation in his own hands, the most recent being something that happened on road trip out west (cannot recall the particulars). Let's hope Gorton recognizes this as a Ranger shortcoming, too.

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:22 am EST

Thankfully he’s gone but I don’t remember captain mcdoodie parmenter ever standing up for a teammate, never mind drop the gloves . He was captain pansy in that department. I wonder if that dawned on him when stamkos did it . It would have been an epiphany. Why I haven’t a clue only he could answer that , and no one did or ever will ask him.

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:22 am EST

Ranger47: IMO, there'd be no problem attracting a quality coach to the Rangers regardless of their perceived lack of talent. I suppose that might be applicable if they are seeking a retread, like Quennville, but I am hoping they seek out someone who isn't an NHL coach but has had success wherever they've been. Two examples come to mind: The coaches in NJ and Philly. Relatively young and bright hockey minds (it seems) who are accustom to handling younger players.

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:18 am EST

I am 100% sure AV will be terminated once the season ends. The only question is how soon after the season ends does he get canned. I say that because it make ZERO sense that Gorton initiates this rebuild/retool/whatever_you_wanna_call_it that includes jettisoning as much of the core, save for MZA, as possible (meaning Staal and Lundqvist are still around due to their NMCs) but keeping who is arguably the most guilty when it comes to why that core is gone. At the same time, firing him before the season ends didn't really make sense either, especially if the concern was that a new coach might result in an abbreviated surge in the standings. Plus, let's hope the Rangers spend the appropriate amount of time and thinking in hiring that coach. If so, finding that person a month ago simply wouldn't have happened.

rF4l


Thu Apr 5 2018 10:00 am EST

_Arc - The only guys on the Rangers I have noticed all year step up for a teamate in a physical manner (I dont mean just throwing checks) were, on occasion, Kreider (when he gets mad), O'Gara and, in a gnat like way, Zucc..A culture changer and leadership change is needed without a doubt..

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:46 am EST

While I would like to see AV gone, I can see a scenario where they keep him another year or two until there is a "competitive-enough" young team in place to attract the coach (and free agents) they really want to replace AV (who otherwise might not come here for a rebuild). Hope I'm wrong and AV's replaced at season's end. Let's go Isles, Flyers and Hawks in the final 2 games!

Ranger47


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:43 am EST

Hospo- yeah I don’t buy the argument that Ava doesn’t have a coherent defensive system. His defensive philosophy is predicated on main ting puck presses ion this limiting the opportunity for other teams to get sog. Now you may disagree with this notion (mainly that this doesn’t do anything about actual scoring chances per se or that a number of the better Corsi rated teams will miss the playoffs altogether) but it is a ‘system.’ But like you said my main issue with him is his insistence on this pansy spineless hockey team. I mean, just because you play fast possession hockey doesn’t preclude you from standing up for your teammates or throwing a check here and there. I said this 3 years ago; playing like this necessarily means that the team has no togetherness or passion and the results tend to follow. I mean how much does it take for a Ranger to do what Stamkos did a couple of games ago? When is the last time a ranger did that (and wasn’t rebuked by Ava)? I’m not sure I could take another year of this purse swinging excuse me crap!

_Arc


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:36 am EST

RHET: Sorry, I read that wrong. You are correct. Well, there goes that......

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:10 am EST

_ARC - God help us if AV returns..but if the teams continues to be a group of mild mannered weaklings..the person to blame is Gordo the Clown..will he blow the "rebuild" or "retool on the fly Version 2" like his incompetnece blew the lasr few years?? We shall see..

Hospo


Thu Apr 5 2018 9:01 am EST

From the Post, AV saying “And at the same time that the twins were there, Ryan Kesler, Alex Burroughs, Kevin Bieksa, Alex Edler, Jannik Hansen were all first- or second-year players to start in the league. I was at the right place at the right time and they’re two of the best players I’ve ever coached. We were able to develop those guys, we added some veteran players and the twins became what they are today: Future Hall of Famers. Very fortunate. Right place at the right time.” So Ava taking credit for the DEVELOPMENT of the aforementioned???? Methinks he’s making the suggestion that he COULD do the same with the kids coming up here over the next year and half!!! I said it before, I think he’s gonna be back and pansify the team for years to come!!

_Arc


Thu Apr 5 2018 8:23 am EST

VIC.. Edmonton plays Vegas and Vancouver. While statistically possible, it's a long shot.

Rhet0ric


Thu Apr 5 2018 7:05 am EST

Thanks Vic.....great stuff....I think I could get a couple right at this point....LOL

melvillefred


Thu Apr 5 2018 6:18 am EST

RHET: I think the Rangers can still drop to 7th if they lose both games and Edmonton wins both games in regulation or overtime. Of course Chicago would need to get a point as you mentioned as well. Edmonton's last two games are against Vancouver so it is possible that they win both.

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 5:57 am EST

Colin Stephenson Colin Stephenson @ColinASteph · 18h Ryan Spooner gets a turn on the top line, with Kreider and Zibanejad.

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 5:52 am EST

Patrick div I hope fishboy reads your post and agrees ...

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 5:50 am EST

“Asked why he thinks the Islanders have had such mastery over the Rangers in Brooklyn, Vigneault had no answer — other than to praise the work of Islanders’ goaltender Jaroslav Halak, who is 3-0 versus the Rangers this season, with a 1.62 goals-against average and a .962 save percentage. “I’m not quite sure why, so far, (Halak) seems to have had our number, but we’ve got one more opportunity tomorrow,’’ he said.”... way to go veenyo....

Stevielegs


Thu Apr 5 2018 2:43 am EST

FRED: Not this year. Here is this year's pool page (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20172018-pool-questions/)

Vic


Thu Apr 5 2018 1:08 am EST

Draft Order: If we lose both of our remaining games and the Blackhawks only tie one of their remaining two, we can leap frog to 8th Place.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:17 pm EST

Vic....was I in the Pool this year? I forgot.

melvillefred


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:07 pm EST

E... I don't know if I consider Jonathan Toews a dominant center. A very good center for sure but certainly not in the mold of a Crosby, Malkin, Messier, etc. The difference is that Toews had a Patrick Kane riding shotgun with him. Also, In regard to Brad Richards, I would have to argue that he was good enough to win a cup. Yes they had a Vincent Lecavalier, but he was only pedestrian in those playoffs. It was Richards that was the MVP for the Lightning(with MSL playing shotgun). We definitely need a game breaking forward or two, instead of our best player being the goalie.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 4 2018 7:41 pm EST

Playoffs Start April 11, ..... NHL Draft Lottery will be held Saturday, April 28 in Toronto ..... https://www.nhl.com/news/2018-nhl-draft-lottery-odds-announced/c-297409174

mf


Wed Apr 4 2018 6:51 pm EST

Taking a thought from an earlier post re: supplementing the kids with a few choice vets, I’m praying for Tavares. If that happens a short term deal with Kovalchuk and a package of kids & one of our #1’s to a team looking to get into the 1st round for a Dman changes the complexion in a big way. I was at the Devils game the other night and holy cow was it a stinker! That said, I am willing to give all of these guys a new look/ clean slate with a new coach who doesn’t have the insane D system AV has and actually knows how to deploy his personnel. Why the F is Andersson playing on the wing? Aren’t we trying to see what he can do up at this level? AV has guys playing all over the place from game to game. The door couldn’t hit his ass fast enough. That bench (coaches and players) looked like a team counting the seconds until the end of the season.

PatrickDiv


Wed Apr 4 2018 4:48 pm EST

VIC: History tells us about the need for a franchise level center. There really aren't too many examples of a team winning without a dominant center. I mean you could make the argument that Boston wasn't brimming with awesomeness down the middle when they won the cup. Not a swipe at Bergeron but he doesn't take over the game more then he is just a very good 2-way center. And the other exception to the rule right now would be Nashville. Johansen and Turris don't make me shutter with fear. That stated, I can't find too many other teams in the purely subjective elite club of contenders or SC winners that can boast the same. Yet, here we are again. Same old issue since what? Messier or a temporary moment with Richards that the New York Rangers are full of 2nd line centers. I suppose Gordo can wrap himself around Tavares leg and handcuff himself begging him to come to MSG? Oh what a summer that would make.

E


Wed Apr 4 2018 4:44 pm EST

So I thought I would post a little update on the Texas Pick'em pool with under a week left in the regular season. I wanted to make it harder this year and it definitely was. We had 33 questions in this year's pool. In the lead with 15 correct is NYStranger. In second place with 14 correct is HellsKitchen. And in third place with 13 correct is BrotherRanger. There are still 17 questions that could have an answer change so there may still be some movement in the standings. And the last question is about the Cup winner so it may not be decided until late in the playoffs.

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 3:28 pm EST

no way to tell anything until fishboy gets to September, hopefully sooner. Right now my crystal balls are broken......

stevielegs


Wed Apr 4 2018 2:46 pm EST

Vic you're not gonna get elite talent for what we had to deal off, especially adding in the fact they all had salaries to be paid and rental-status to consider. Now we have a ton of draft picks and some younger guys already up, and if there's some push for acquiring elite talent, we might have something to offer. Personally I'd hate to see us trade five people for one guy no matter how good, because then you have ... a few good players surrounded by AHLers.

Nick


Wed Apr 4 2018 2:37 pm EST

"EAST MEADOW, N.Y. — John Tavares doesn't know how he'll react if the Barclays Center fans give him a long ovation. Thursday night could be the final home game for Tavares in an Islanders uniform, the penultimate game of yet another losing season as the Isles captain enters the home stretch of his year of decision to either stay with the Isles or head elsewhere in free agency. “I don't want to signal it as the end,” he told reporters after Wednesday's practice. “I'm not approaching it that way.” Tavares has betrayed no inkling of what he may do once the season ends Saturday, saying he hasn't decided yet if he's going to sit down with ownership or GM Garth Snow in the coming days to either say he's staying or say he's definitely leaving and the Isles should consider either trading his rights or a complicated sign-and-trade. The third option, that Tavares will conduct his exit meetings Sunday and... "

stevielegs


Wed Apr 4 2018 2:34 pm EST

E: I understand that opinion about the return from the deadline and to an extent I agree. However, where I disagree is on the hardest to find and most important player on the roster. IMHO it is an elite #1 Center. Look at the Pens. Even with LETANG their defense is mediocre at best. And they won the Cup last year without him. They did it (again) because they have a superstar #1 Center who plays huge minutes in all situations. A guy that controls the game from the middle and is just head and shoulders better then anyone you can throw against him. In fact, they have two of them. Nashville, despite have an absurdly phenomenal D corps, couldn't compete with that. And as you start looking back over the last 15+ years you see the same thing over and over again. Pre-lockout teams that succeeded were mostly built from the goal out with an emphasis on strength in goal, on D and at Center ice in that order. Since the lockout and the rule changes that has been flipped. Teams that succeed are mostly built from the Center position back. The stronger the Center position the better chance you have of winning a Cup.

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 2:03 pm EST

VIC: I friend of mine who is not a NYR fan brought up an interesting argument. He thinks they actually did great. He would've put the highest priority on a bluechip player if the farm had depth. Since the NYR had very little if any depth in the system as much as its important to have gamebreaking skill talent its just as important to have depth to inevitably replace the players who leave via free agency or are moved for additional acquisitions. So, its a valid point. It seems that the single most valuable position and hardest to fill nowadays is defense. Nothing earth shattering there. But the Rangers acquired some real good prospects on the blue line. And furthermore, the players that were added are the types of guys that many here really lust over. Good skaters who can make a pass and bring a physical brand.

E


Wed Apr 4 2018 1:31 pm EST

BtW ShesterRockin is the real deal too. Just an insane ability to replicate his movements; never takes a play off!!! Almost impossible to beat form the outside because he is ALWAYS in the right position. He does the crazy thing where he makes himself a perfect right angle triangle that fits exactly at the post and takes out pretty much the entire net from that side. At first it seems like there’s this space right under the outside leg knee where he shouldn’t be able to cover but he does. Anyways, I think hes going to be special. So we got good depth both forwards and D (on the left side at least with Skjei, Hajek, and Lindgren); if we could land either Boqvist or Evan Bouchard that would be both #1d and right sided one to boot and between Pionk and Shattenkirk I think that’s fine (especially if we can combine some assets to upgrade there) and if we could just figure out a way of getting that difference make up front with WHATEVER combination of assets we have up front....... we’d be cooking man!!

_Arc


Wed Apr 4 2018 1:17 pm EST

Vic- you weren’t the only one with that same exact reaction; I think 3-4 of us had the same comparison (with Quickie) but to be completely fair he HAS shown me a lot more skill than Fast ever has in 4-5 years. He has some ability to handle the puck in tight places and his release and accuracy is miles ahead of Fast. The rangers passed on talent for ‘intangibles’ in this case (not what I would have done) but I do think he has a chance to develop into a very serviceable 2C but I think he may have more value as a winger who can get in on the forecheck and crash the front of the net. Like I said couple days ago, imagine if we had gotten Mittlestadt or Tolvainen or even Necas!!!! But having said all of this, it wouldn’t surprise me if in a few years, Chytle is in the same class as any of the other top guys in this draft; The kid has THAT much talent in there and it’s up the Rangers to appropriately coax it out of him and MAKE SURE he ends up being 1C. Just have to really surround him with enough talent to let him blossom. I hope we are able to pull off getting into the top 4. Infact I’d give up pretty much the entire damned collection of picks to get 2 picks in the top6 and go home after 1/2 hr of the draft. We have depth, we absolutely NEED quality. But failing that, you’re absolutely right; we’re going to resemble the Rangers from yesteryear an awful lot and that’s just plain Stupid (doing the same thing and expecting different results)

_Arc


Wed Apr 4 2018 12:18 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... AV says Pavelec will start tomorrow against the Islanders. @HLundqvist30 in Philadelphia on Saturday. AV also expects @zuccarello36 to play tomorrow. McLeod is out with an abdominal strain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Apr 4 2018 12:05 pm EST

Tremendously talented players....

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 12:02 pm EST

Also, I was going to wait for the end of the season to do this but what the Hell. My first impression of CHEETOS is that I've seen the flashes of speed and skill that make me believe he is definitely going to be a top 6 player. I don't know what his eventual upside is. A lot depends on how he develops from here and how consistent a player he can be. Becoming a #1 Center is certainly a possibility but at worst I think he has a nice career as a #2 Center. As for ANDERSON....I hated the pick when it was made. I saw it flash on my phone, looked him up and posted "Did the Rangers just draft JESPER FAST with the 7th overall pick". I didn't realize until later that McGGUIRE was making a similar comparison. He meant it in a good way. I did not. So my early impression of ANDERSON is..... I don't see it. I don't see much of anything in him that makes me feel good about picking him with the #7 overall pick. I don't care what he did against kids. Seeing him against NHL talent he doesn't impress me at all. I'm not calling him The Shark. I'm calling him The Guppy. Obviously it is way too early to write him off. But I haven't seen anything in him that leads me to believe that he will be anything more then a 3rd line checking center in this league. And that drives me even more crazy when I think about the tremendously players the Rangers passed over to take him at #7.

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:43 am EST

E: I agree on both counts. Originally I hadn't thought much about the Devils this year. My opinion would be that they are still a few years away from being a Cup contender, and that is probably still the case. However, when they are clicking they are something to watch. And yes, HALL is the key to that offense. I still think they are a year to two too early to be going deep but you never know. On the Rangers I agree. However, like others here I was really disappointed that they didn't get an elite player back in the trades at the deadline. I thought they used their best assets and didn't bring back the one thing that they needed to build around. Quantity is nice but it doesn't replace top end quality. My fear is that this new Ranger team will be built just like the last one. With a bunch of good players but no great players that can carry them through the playoffs. They might win a Cup if all of the stars align, but otherwise will lose to teams who are icing one or two elite players that carry their teams.

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:34 am EST

Vic: I’m definitely not of the kind to rip a team unnecessarily but I think the NJD deficiencies are masked by the emergence of Hall as an MVP caliber forward. They are a solid team down the lineup. But I think that they’re young in some key positions and it remains to be seen once some pretty experienced teams bump up against them in the next few weeks. But for sure they are pointed in the right direction. Only took 5-years. Hopefully, that’s not the New York Rangers trajectory. I’m too old for another trip to the wilderness. They need to be like a Southwest flight. Landed, unloaded, filled back up and gone. 1.5 hours at the gate at the most. Ain’t earning if it ain’t moving. This is how the New York Rangers need to be. They landed, they’re at the gate. Deplaned. Gotta due the quick cleanup and let’s get we loaded up and back to competitive hockey as soon as next season. And contend a year later. That’s my game plan. Need some grizzled journeymen this summer to sign short term deals to fill in the holes. Try to get an impact player or two thru draft and free agency and gone. 5-years? NJD fans can deal with that, not me.

E


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:30 am EST

In the OHL, Sean Day's team advanced to the second round. He had two goals and six assists in 5 games. Tim Gettinger's team also advanced, he had one goal and seven assists in four games. Seems like the team he is on is stacked talent-wise.

RDW


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:29 am EST

Was hoping one of these Russian kids were going to be an NYR Taresanko, Kuznetsov, Kucherov... Maybe the supporting staff just isn't good enough for that kind of player to emerge

mf


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:25 am EST

Also in the WHL, the Moose Jaw Warriors won game 7 last night. Brett Howden with 4 goals and three assists in the series.

RDW


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:19 am EST

The Vancouver Giants lost game 7 of their first round series last night so Ty Ronning is officially done in the WHL. He had a goal and six assists in the series.

RDW


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:11 am EST

RF4L - I don't think BUCH's lack of strength, inability to stay on his skates, his mostly one dimensional play and inconsistent effort has anything to do with the team sucking or a new country........BUTTT..you are right..the kid does have talent/skill in piles and he has a bit of a snarl.....I wouldn't jettison him for garbage but I would trade him for a different type of player...In the likely event that he stays, somehow either by his own choosing or being the read the riot act, he needs to take his training and all around game more seriously (kinda why I dont want to see a Russian clique taking up his time)...It's in his hands...

Hospo


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:09 am EST

E: About the Over/Under from last night. For me the hardest part isn't going to be fear of throwing out the baby with the bath water. The hardest part is going to be figuring out if there are any babies at all or if this is all just bath water at this point. And then there is the issue of gutting the team too far to the point where they can't compete at all. If they do that I think you risk the franchise going into an extended tailspin like we have seen with other franchises. Somehow they need to keep a hard working culture where the expectation is that they are going to be competitive in every game. They may lose but they shouldn't be getting dominated night after night. Last night was eye opening in just how fast the Devils played. The Rangers, who have a good skating team, were just totally outclassed. I'm not sure about their goaltending but otherwise that Devils team is pretty strong. They could be an unexpectedly tough out in the playoffs.

Vic


Wed Apr 4 2018 11:02 am EST

re Buch: Wow, tough crowd. Second year pro, new country/language and more importantly, the team sucks. This kid oozes talent IMO - jettisoning him this quickly could easily turn into a big mistake. I'd give him some time under the new regime before making such harsh conclusions.

rF4l


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:29 am EST

R-Lou, yeah it's going to take time, we were close, but no cigar... Hopefully, the NYR Org can find 1 or 2 diamonds in the rough in the 2nd through late rounds...I'm not going to look it up now but I believe Zetterberg was a very late round pick... Gimme some of that

mf


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:24 am EST

Agree on Buch...He is a bag of hay getting knocked all over the place....Have seen enough....Vladdy N. has talent but we never see it...May give him a chance next year but wouldn't cry if he was moved....As for Spooner, don't care how many points he has with us get rid of him...I say Kreider has a big season next year...Vesey will be back and needs to pick it up for sure....

PJ


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:21 am EST

Ola, that wasn't about anybody at RFC actually. It's pretty amazing but I dont want to clutter the Wall with ANY more of this. I dont even want to post. Just let everything go back to normal. But I appreciate the kind words. You're not a little _ _ _ _. Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:18 am EST

Years of bad leadership has bad scouting bad management will haunt us for a long time

rangerlou


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:16 am EST

This Humpty Dumpty team will take years to get back together again

rangerlou


Wed Apr 4 2018 10:02 am EST

GG- On “10. People think it's ok to do me dirty, yet again? Oops. They think they had problems before? They just earned the full fuckin' monty. Good news for RFCers is this is easy to deal with, it WONT be on the Wall. Life is still a face to face business.” Come on, can’t be so sensitive. Got to be able to take a punch. You also got to adjust to the crowd. Everyone here have a pretty grumpy mindset. Don’t expect any pats on the back nor can you be shy about receiving any snide remarks. It’s like deciding to cross the Sahara and then complain about getting sand in your shoes.

Ola


Wed Apr 4 2018 9:58 am EST

NEWFIE: nothing really happened. The New York Rangers were just thoroughly outclassed by a team desperate for points. This is what a rebuild looks like.

E


Wed Apr 4 2018 9:36 am EST

CM - Yeah, I remember PIRRI.another player that was inconsistent 1-dimensional as hell and really could only produce in the open, especially on the PP, when the team was hot..The luster wore off quick on him..as it usually does.

Hospo


Wed Apr 4 2018 9:01 am EST

HOSPO- Brandon PIRRI scored a bunch of goals for us when he first arrived. Then he disappeared. I expect more of the same for him in Vegas. The KNIGHTS have a great coach and the league made sure they would have some talent available. They got actual NHL players in the expansion draft.

ColoradoMark


Wed Apr 4 2018 8:35 am EST

Brandon Pirri made his season debut for Vegas last night and scored 2 goals. Must be the desert air - or the brothels.....

ges999


Wed Apr 4 2018 6:36 am EST

7 is Karlsson

Gorton Gekko


Wed Apr 4 2018 6:24 am EST

“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.”

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 4 2018 6:22 am EST

Gggg #7?

Stevielegs


Wed Apr 4 2018 6:00 am EST

That was a painful game to watch last night...............did something happen to Zinbad in the third ? I was dozing in and out . was he hurt or benched ?

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Apr 4 2018 4:30 am EST

1. There's no such thing as paranoia (it's all true). 2. It's not paranoia, it's an address lol. Ranger Fan Central just so happens to call Msg home lol. 3. Bob hates me. Wish that wasn't the case. 4. Several long time vets now certain they'll move. Staal to Wild is an obvious one. 5. AV back to MTL maybe another. 6. What else do we have in the bag of tricks.... hmm... Let me see.. It's bad enough he Stank up the season, must Lundqvist talk smack too? God, airmail his tired ass to Sweden, right after he helps lure Karlsson. 8. Where's RangerDoolittle? You'd think he'd have a field day, throw around words like conspiracy & tinhats and such. Asked nicely to finally explain himself, crickets. No wonder, though I've known for a while. 9. I don't invent addresses. 10. People think it's ok to do me dirty, yet again? Oops. They think they had problems before? They just earned the full fuckin' monty. Good news for RFCers is this is easy to deal with, it WONT be on the Wall. Life is still a face to face business. 11. I don't know, how is something a sneaking suspicion when its on every 3rd rate website and written up by every 3rd rate hockey hack in the world? Care to threaten me again about the hand of God (which was OFFENSIVE) touching me again, BusEy? Funny, I don't see you speaking to the most coincidental address of all time lol.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:32 pm EST

FRED Sorry, I've seen enough of BUCH's total worhtlessness except when he has open ice...and all you gotta do is say BOO (not Nieves) to knock him down...and Namstnikov is flat out invisible and forces nothing...Neither is the fault of the coch.....Yes, young guys kinda regressed this year, mainly SKjei, Miller, and Vesey (for the most part)..but before this year..AV had done fairly well developing the kids that deserved to be developed

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:27 pm EST

E - And probably a Stool or two...It's gonna be a painful year or eight..

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:25 pm EST

Hospo......you don't trade Buch or Namestikov unless they don't preform with a new Coach. AV suck's with young players. Skjei has regressed and Miller never found his stride nor did Kreider because they were always being jerked around from one line to the next. I'm sure you've seen what Miller is doing in Tampa 9G 8A in what 15 -16 games. What I'm seeing is that Sproul and O'Gara are not NHL material. Gilmore needs some more seasoning at the AHL level. Pink is a revelation and a keeper.....so we have Shattenkirk, Pionk,Skjei and Stall??so at a minimum we need to find 3 Defensive D men preferably 2 of whom can clear the crease. Up front let's of talent and like I've said I was all in for 2 years to move Zucccc but with the Roster turnover he should stay. Would have no problem if we got Grabner back either. Goal will be interesting and obviously critical as well as not screwing up the draft. I'm optimistic for next year.

melvillefred


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:21 pm EST

HOSPO: I think you're going to have a young team next season but where Gordo cannot acquire young NHL talent he'll look at short term inexpensive free agents to fill in holes. I think that there is a better then maybe chance that Grabner comes back. So, get ready because here come the next round of Gerbe's, and DD's.

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:16 pm EST

MF: I have a sneaking suspicion that the New York Rangers want to move up in the draft. Into the top-5. There is just some good franchise level cornerstones available this season. So, if it takes a roster player and packaging two number ones? That might be hard to resist. I also think that Gorton will be in big on Domi who I think is definitely on his way out. Just a guy who I think is way more skilled then he has shown in AZ although his game has recovered a bit as of late. Look guys... I'm all in summer mode. Time for vacation soon...

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:06 pm EST

E - Wow, I would trade BUCH (and Namestnikov) in a NY second..and i hope the Rangers do....totally underwhelming players..Vesey another one..And if somebody wants third pair Pionk, they can have him too...ZIBAD had a sting of abut 7 good games and now back to his nothingness..Was it all because of FAST (who I keep)??????...I dont want to trade HAYES, best center on the team..but he goes if it makes the team better.....Only keepers for me are KREIDER, SKJEI, Chytil and ANdersson...and gthe rest? again.....,,,PFFFFTTTT!!!

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:55 pm EST

BTW the time of these posts are off by 1 hour. Spring forward ADMIN...

NYStranger


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:53 pm EST

Hospo on Vegas? That's why this is the WWE-NHL. Of course it's all real! Talk about conspiracy theories. Has to make you wonder? It has to make Buttman happy that they are successful or that his dastardly plan is coming together, real or contrived. It is all about sacrificing the eatablished game/fans and the big markets to prove that any team can win. Especially any hockey backwater. GNight all. Goodnight MSG bigwigs, if yall are watching with that eye in the sky. hahaha

NYStranger


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:49 pm EST

E: I think Kreider is safe. Size, speed, strength, and a cap friendly $4.625 mill for another 2 years... Staal, perhaps witnessing this remodeling job all around will tender a short list of teams he'd accept a trade to... MZA, it wouldn't surprise me if he's moved..

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:31 pm EST

VIC: I don't know. Its pretty touchy. I think that there are vets on the New York Rangers roster that are gonzo come. I think outside of Skjei, Shark, Cheeto, Buch, Pionk and MAYBE Vesey I would make sure my real estate broker is on speed dial. No one is safe. And even they are not guaranteed either. Although I do have a suspicion that some combo of Chris Krieder, MZA, and Staal might not be around either. I think Hayes and Zib are likely to be safe.

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:43 pm EST

STEVIE _ Of course, but that's only one of the answers

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:40 pm EST

Hospo answer is VEENYO MUST GO !

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:40 pm EST

And Lindberger Cheese also

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:39 pm EST

Mike Harrington Mike Harrington @ByMHarrington What a joke in Florida. Goalie interference on Nashville on a tying goal in the final second. Guys going for the puck. The playoffs are going to be a mess.

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:37 pm EST

How is it possible the Golden Knights have 107 points and Gordo the CLown and AV lead this team to the cellar....Sorry, seeing Brandon Pirri, another one of Gordo's great signings the last few years, play for Vegas tonight and score got me thinking

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:35 pm EST

Rhet: the surgeon general has warned that paranoia may be contagious... Are you pregnant?

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:28 pm EST

Vic: for your "Wall Tips," list, please add ... ""Don't be a Josh Ho Sang!""

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:15 pm EST

So who is everyone rooting for in the Playoffs

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:05 pm EST

Rhet easy choice hope to lose ... win is meaningless

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:58 pm EST

Well the Isles won tonight, one more win for them and we leapfrog ahead of them in positioning. I hate having the NYI ahead of us in the draft. They always seem to try to screw with us. As NYR fans, we have to ask ourselves, is it more important to beat them on Thursday or get ahead of them in the draft? The game is meaningless to both teams otherwise. Conundrum.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:57 pm EST

Half the team GONE. 6 Hurt including Zoom and Fast. What the Fuck did I expect

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:54 pm EST

Admin doesn't matter Hospo, that could be anybody. It's the address. The the Gdam executive suite lol. https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=MS_EWp1bjIHnAoSStsgL&q=2+penn+plaza&oq=&gs_l=mobile-gws-hp.1.1.41l3.0.0..15788...0....0.0.............mobile-gws-wiz-hp.....3.5WcGsQc1lA4%3D

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:46 pm EST

RHET - You are probably right...but me thinks they should do it pronto...No need for it to be hangin over the interviews..or to get any input from him...End this sorry Gordo-inspired chapter asap

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:40 pm EST

44-24 another d gem

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:40 pm EST

Hospo... I suspect more likely it will be a few days after the exit interviews.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:37 pm EST

ARC - Spot on..but please let him be gone come MOnday!

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:36 pm EST

I was just wondering to myself if Anderson was playing today but then I noticed he’s playing with Holland and Carey!!!! And nico Hir heir gets to play with Hall!! Brilliant hairy fat bastard for us. Btw, I’ll make a wager he’s back next year too!

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:35 pm EST

RHET - I get your point..but it's better then not scoring at all like the rest of the Ranger rejects

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:34 pm EST

Glad to see Rangers like Namestnikov laughing down 5-2 and being one of the worst teams in the League..Or Maybe he and Boyle were talking about Plastic Bertrand's "Ca plane Pour Moi" being played

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:33 pm EST

Hospo: Buch should spend the summer training with Kreider

RDW


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:33 pm EST

How many meaningless goals is that for Hayes this season now?

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:28 pm EST

40 Moore 41 Boyle... way to go nyr ...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:24 pm EST

Lets hope that this game sticks in The Kings mind the next two month and he realizes that this is how it's gonna be the next two years at least with Skjei, a fading Stall, the horrific Shatt, and 4 AHLers....and, not for nothing, but BUCH has to be the weakest player in the NHL

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:24 pm EST

Hospo I know you’re Larry Brooks too ... lol

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:24 pm EST

We need to see more of that chippiness from Vesey(or any at all).

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:22 pm EST

God...The Wall has sure seen better days..As far as this RFC Admin MSG conspiracy crapola, I know who the Admin is and this shis is so far off the Mark...just take my wprd for it...

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:20 pm EST

“ GLENDALE, AZ - JANUARY 04: Goatlender Antti Raanta #32 of the Arizona Coyotes in action during the NHL game against the Nashville Predators at Gila River Arena on January 4, 2018 in Glendale, Arizona. The Coyotes defeated the Predators 3-2 in overtime. The Arizona Coyotes would like to keep Antti Raanta around a little longer. According to John Gambadoro of Arizona Sports, the Coyotes have offered the netminder a multi-year extension that could be as long as four years and worth up to $4.5 million per season.”

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:20 pm EST

Here is an interesting thought. What do you think the over/under is on the number of guys dressed tonight that will be on the Rangers opening night roster next year? 10?

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:15 pm EST

Sog 18-34 come on 6 more nyr keep up giving up 40

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:57 pm EST

Gggg if sather doesn’t like you consider yourself lucky

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:54 pm EST

Ahhh, I am starting to put it all together, now. My guess is GG is either Neil Smith or some guy who cleans the Garden toilets. Either way basically irrelevant. ;-) jk buddy!

NYStranger


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:51 pm EST

Well now I want stuffing. Tnx Vic! ;)

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:50 pm EST

Arc read not long ago Hall was fresh from rehab & teams knew & backed off. That was published somewhere well known. This hasn't been. Supposed last ditch effort to snag Tolvanen was Miller/Nash, with a no.1. coming back as well. Didn't happen, we went to TB. I'm sure some gremlins will be out later to try to walk things back, so let me just leave you with something. Yeah I know a few folks, some pretty high up. I never said they all like me LOL!

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:39 pm EST

Some needs to be taken to the fucking woodshed for letting Taylor Hall get to NJ!!! I mean did Edm say no I’ll take Larson over McD or was Gorton asleep at the friggin wheel or was Chiarelli a friggin dipshit? I want someones hide god dammit!!!!!

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:38 pm EST

STEVIE: It was sliced Turkey breast, with Stovr Top stuffing and peas & carrots. I had a piece of dark chocolate after dinner. I'm planning to get up off the couch and get a glass of wine now. If I'm hungry I may have some mixed nuts from Costco or some Kettle crinkle cut Sea Salt chips.

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:32 pm EST

I had to update my bookmark - my Graffiti Wall still is listed as http://www.allsports.com/nhl/rangers/graffiti.html. I am another old vet who has been on here since the AOL dial up days. 97 or 98. Anyway, not to bring up religion but I actually gave up sports message boards for Lent which was particularly challenging during the trade deadline. It looks as if the Rangers have mailed it in or the talent is just not there for us right now. I still want to win badly on Thursday against the Islanders. If anything, let's at least break the Barclay's curse (which will be irrelevant soon) but I believe we only have one win in the last 3 seasons against those guys. Looking forward to the off season and our pending moves.

DREW


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:20 pm EST

I hate to see these Pig Fuckers make the playoffs

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:20 pm EST

I like O'Gara less and less each game.

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:17 pm EST

Nyr would never take that shot ... pass pass pass

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:15 pm EST

Bob I think your needle is stuck haha... Old Oscar Madison line.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:14 pm EST

Give me a hint why did day jar nah not travel with the team to nj? Wtf he’s getting paid to sit in the stands not to stay home... hello coach your idea ?

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:14 pm EST

Stevie I didn't invent that address. Same building houses the team? LOL. Yeah ok. Actually think one side is 2 Penn the other 4Penn. Regardless this is not my first experience with this phenomena ha - having nothing to do with RFC. But that's one WHOPPER of a coinkidink

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:14 pm EST

Sorry, my math was off. I'm tired. It is actually 23 and 25 years. As for the site and who owns it I honestly have no idea. And really it makes no difference to me who owns it as long as it is still here....still up and running....and still The Wall. I'm just grateful that it is still here.

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:11 pm EST

Vic for the sake of transparency what was for dinner? ... lol

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:11 pm EST

Vindicated for what? Here is some vindication for you GG.....your posts are the reason I visit here infrequently these days. The good news is that this season is almost over.

Bob


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:10 pm EST

“ ...Paranoia strikes deep Into your life it will creep It starts when you're always afraid You step out of line, the man come and take you away..”

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:07 pm EST

I don't think you work for the Rangers Vic. I think you may know the team acquired the site - or has their hand in it.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:05 pm EST

Gggg are you Larry Brooks too ?

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:04 pm EST

GG: My silence is called "Eating Dinner". I had to catch up to live action on the DVR and don't look at the Wall until I have caught up or the game is over. BTW. I live in Texas. I have for 21 years. I haven't been to MSG in probably 23 years. If you think I work for the Rangers or have anything to do with MSG you aren't even close. My God I actually laughed when I read that. Thanks for the good laugh!

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:55 pm EST

Been a NY RANGERS fan since I was 8 years old. Never stops hurting.

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:41 pm EST

And really Bob, that was not only to Stevie but you read the last part too. So if I repulse you scan by me man. But don't get your stick up & act like you aint reading it.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:36 pm EST

VINDICATED. For fighting off some NYR blacks oops coordinated against me. I don't want to get into more now. But one thing about the internet - you frequently don't know who you're talking to. That works both ways in the case Wow.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:32 pm EST

Rangers Funeral at the Rock

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:32 pm EST

Vindicated for what? Here is some vindication for you GG.....your posts are the reason I visit here infrequently these days. The good news is that this season is almost over.

Bob


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:23 pm EST

Only 5 years debbies not in playoffs... can’t wait for 5 nyr years ... 1 and counting...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:23 pm EST

Yeah Stevie the deafening silence of a few Wallsters speaks volumes lol.... I feel totally vindicated.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:22 pm EST

Stevie- depends on if you think this is acute or chronic haha!! Those damned voices!!!

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:17 pm EST

Assvipe time-out moron

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:15 pm EST

Hanky getting a spanky

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:15 pm EST

Pionk. Yikes. Henrik is pissed.

Bob


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:14 pm EST

Gggg maybe they sell that address or have those rent an office and address

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:12 pm EST

Thorazine probably better...

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:11 pm EST

Our mailing address is: Ranger Fan Central 4 Penn Plaza New York, NY 10001 Add us to your address book

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:09 pm EST

1935 1-0

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:09 pm EST

Arc the only guy listening is Larry Brooks

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:08 pm EST

Ps- I hear Haldol is cheap on the internet (from China). Lmfao!!!!

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:08 pm EST

Gggg I think the address is gone . What did you do ? Wish it away? Are you using caffeine? Chill , you sound paranoid....

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:06 pm EST

G2- really man the wall is controlled by Msg? We’d have to be the worst kind of self hating schmucks in the world. Good lord is there ANYBODY (ANYBODY!!!!!!!) that would make a good case as to Why WE HAVE TO CONTINUALLY LISTEN TO JOE FUCKING SHITALETTI???

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 5:57 pm EST

So Vic got very quiet all of a sudden, and after ALL this time the TRUTH is finally coming out? Lol!!!! I don't know whether to be pissed or get hysterical hahahaha... Ill have to absorb this a little more, and I'll post one thing on it maybe & put it to bed & be happy & peaceful. But suffice it to say it sure looks like I've been doing battle with some p.r. interns at the behest of j.r. bwhaa.. Now THAT explains a lot. It's gotta be 7 years ago I was first ejected lol....i always knew something wasn't right. Oh man....

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 5:57 pm EST

I still don’t for the life of me understand why Henke needs to be out there!!! I’d much rather get an EXTENDED look at Yogi see what we really got; New goalies tend to have abnormally good performances when they first come into the league (until other teams ‘figure em out’; it’s the ability to counter adjust that truely separates the real good ones and Yogi is just not there. This is the time to figure this shit out (instead of padding Henke’s stats )

_Arc


Tue Apr 3 2018 5:20 pm EST

Well you're right on the controlling part ofcourse. But there little doubt on the first. It's on the contact form. And as a legit business you can't be screwing with U.S mail. So like I said, HELL of a coincidence, of all buildings LOL. I'm fine with it, btw. But it casts a TOTALLY new light on certain things.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 5:11 pm EST

gggg not sure who knows that answer....good possibility....they like controlling as much as possible....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 5:01 pm EST

Why do I care?!! I hate to take a non-answer as an affirmation but that's what I'm about to do since it's the 4th time I put it out there & hear nothing but crickets. Why do I care?!!! It won't be one of those short answers per your tipsheet but it'd explain a whole he'll of a lot!!

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:58 pm EST

RLou Zuc blocked a shot & needed MRI. He's probably shutdown for the year & quite possibly his nyr career, which is real sad in my book.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:57 pm EST

GG: Why do you care? What difference does it make?

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:56 pm EST

LOU: He is hosting that MSG Hockey Show tonight.....

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:53 pm EST

Vic, I read your tips and am changing my name to G.Pithy Gekko. But I want that question answered. RFC uses the Garden as it's address?

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:50 pm EST

Sure. Why? And is RFC run by the Rangers? Some DaVinci code shit like that is as good as any idea I got, cause it sure feels coordinated. Am I the last to know or what? Cause that I could live with.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:49 pm EST

Why is Zuccarello out???

rangerlou


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:25 pm EST

gggg you a nicky fotui fan ?

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:23 pm EST

MF: Absolutely! You get another spin on the Traderator. RF4L: The Pope may not be a Ranger fan but he sure as Hell isn't a Devil's fan. <---- Did you like what I did there?

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:23 pm EST

Kevin Paul Dupont ‏Verified account @GlobeKPD Rick Nash skated today in BOS — First since 3/19.

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:15 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 8m8 minutes ago AV confirms @HLundqvist30 will start vs New Jersey. @zuccarello36 is out. #NYR

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:13 pm EST

irving moofman jack, mel is better than carl....unless you want to be karl marx brother....go play your harp.....harpo....why a fence....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:12 pm EST

Vic: The Pope is a Ranger fan? OMG, and we still have 1 cup in 78 years! Now that's just downright wrong!

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:07 pm EST

Vic, do we get extra credit?

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:05 pm EST

Legs, the attacks are real, the people are real, the opinions are real, just ask judge Judy... To suggest that the TRADERATOR can be dialed back to a setting of "low expectations" is blasphemous! There is no sarcasm, this means War! Hail to Fredonia, and "Let's Go Ranger's!

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 4:05 pm EST

So, I've been busy a lot lately but I've had time to pop on and read from time to time on my cell. I know nobody asked but I thought I would put together this little collection of tips for posting on The Wall. If anyone wants to add to it or comment please do so on the Wall. Here is the link to the page with the Tips (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/rfc-posting-tips/)

Vic


Tue Apr 3 2018 3:47 pm EST

gggg just post your opinions, forget about answering or defending yourself.....it's easier...until it's real name-calling attacks ....enjoy disagreeing....keep posting....

stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:44 pm EST

Nash to me, if he's interested in a career in hockey beyond playing, would be a better fit in management, ala Chris Drury.

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:43 pm EST

mf: Hospo is right - LTIR to avoid the cap hit. Pronger is one example. The Leafs with Lopul and Horton is another.

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:39 pm EST

MF - That is out my area of expertise, hell, almost everything is..but..if you have a player with years left on his contract Like NASH a few years ago) who cant play because of injury, no way he RETIRES..but the team can put him on LTIR for some relief..like The Flyers did with Chris Pronger and his concussions...Good luck in understanding how that one works...https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:39 pm EST

RF: that's, "moof point to you!" :-) I agree, but still curious, didn't / wasn't Pronger forced into retirement and his Cap Hit was still in force? Not sure if any 35+ parameters came into play in Pronger's case.....

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:31 pm EST

mf: Moot point re cap hit - if Nash retires as you suspect, it'll be this summer and he'll be contractless.

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:27 pm EST

To take that a step further: anyone here feel that Rick Nash would make for a good "head coach?" The man played a 200 foot game, both sides of the puck. When in his youth & healthy was an offensive force, later in his career as we all witnessed a strong emphasis to cover his defensive responsibilities.......

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:17 pm EST

Hey folks, just back from (a quote from VTRanger) "Real life is stressful enough," week..... managed to read the last week of posts, wanted to start by addressing the RICK NASH situation.... I think the man hangs up his skates.. I recall him saying almost verbatim that, "there's more to life than hockey." Fortunately for him, he's earned plenty enough to retire comfortably....... I think this most recent injury, if in fact it is a concussion, proves what many of us described, that while playing with the Rangers these last 2 seasons, he held back on driving hard and winning battles while on offense, and obviously augmented that by advancing on his defensive play....... Fast forward to being traded to Boston; the Bruins are not holding back, they're in PO mode with eyes on the prize, I think NASH may have pushed past his Ranger comfort zone limit to show the new boyz he's there to compete, and look at the outcome....... With the benefit of hindsight, it would have been integral on his part to retire with the Rangers ""many moons ago"" and get off our Cap Hit......... Now someone please tell me or correct me, "if a player is forced into retirement because of several head injuries, does his Cap Hit stay on the books?" thanks.....

mf


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:55 pm EST

Agreed that it's very trying...

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:53 pm EST

error: to NOT even add our own comments.

jratelle19


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:52 pm EST

Good points, VTRanger.....unfortunately, lately I have once again found myself skimming through a ton of posts until I fine a single one that discusses hockey in a civil manner and not dripping with venom. That means I skim through posts from NOT JUST ONE PERSON here on the Wall. It happens too often for my liking and is one of the reasons I haven't posted much in the last I don't know how many years. Sad, because many of the guilty parties can add so many positive insights and opinions to the discussion, but unfortunately they force many people like me and you, VT, to not only skip through a ton of posts, but to even add our own comments.

jratelle19


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:37 pm EST

NEWFIE - Hah..It took me a second to get the Dennis Weaver ref!

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:34 pm EST

Hospo..............thank you !.............it's just as well to put in Dennis Weaver and Holland........that may guarantee 3 losses, correct ?

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:33 pm EST

I'm still here.......

kitchen1


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:26 pm EST

Enough allfuckinready...sorry...So, who plays for MZA and FAST..The Return of Cody Mcleod from the clan Mcleod and who else?..oh, that's righ, Holland! jeez..difficult to watch..Just give ANDERSSON and CHYTL 20 minutes

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:23 pm EST

Cahoots. And in the absence of an answer - of why a Ranger fan would attack another and align with people who only attack and don't talk NYRs, Im left only with something really odd. And EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK THIS OUT, for its the last non-hockey thing I've got to say. I noticed on a regi correspondence I think the RFC mailing address was 4 Penn Plaza, which is strange as fuck cause that's the home of... you guessed it... The New York Rangers. So I'm left only to wonder, is this yet another attempt to limit info, which they despise getting out. Let you guys in on a little secret. I knew Kara a little bit, we talked about a few things at one time. No idea what became of her or who these new moderator/owners are that people like E apparently know. But that address? That is one HELL of a coincidence. I've got nothing more to say about ANY board politics. This is, plainly, a job for Stevie.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:05 pm EST

I yield...

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:29 am EST

I stopped talking to you weeks ago, you keep coming at me, so I keep calling you BusEy, and really want to say NOTHING else to you sir. My reputation? That's your worthless opinion. I am one hardcore NYR MFer & a warrior for decency FOR EVERYBODY, which you yourself just said you intentionally showed me none of. BOTH times I was banned for the very same thing, fighting a concentrated pack of murky Ranger fans who attack a well-meaning Ranger fans. Im PROUD of that, Id do it for anybody, even if few do for me. You said query curses and I lead the league? LOL, I curse plenty - about HOCKEY. I don't curse posters, but yeah if you tick me off you earn a nickname. That's my only method. But you've been in cahoots with these Messier/York gremlins before, And are again, and the only question I keep asking is, why? You seem to take particular exception to any tidbit of info that's not under a newspaper masthead. WHY? You're a ranger fan, don't you want to know? How is that bad? Certainly you should take it all with a large grain of salt, but since you're in with the terrorist crowd, explain your allegiance to people who never talk Rangers over me. EXPLAIN THAT. And then please, stop talking to me, for like the 5th time. You've been pushing this van thing because you feel threatened somehow, but I'm no threat to you. So, EXPLAIN yourself. People like YOU should be banned - and your friends.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:24 am EST

So Nash hurt. And now Brassard not that he got to Pittsburgh directly from the Rangers...

RF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:04 am EST

GG: don’t answer, just contemplate. You tore apart this forum last time you were here and got banned. So you have a reputation to overcome. And you’ve claimed that all you want to do is talk hockey. But then you have nicknames for people, feel compelled to get into it with everyone. Take everything personal. Can’t handle snark, cynicism, and hostility. You’d be better served to tread light and earn your way back in. You do that by being a solid citizen. This place is moderated, and the admin (who will remain anonymous) will provide a very wide envelope for people. But you need to overcome your reputation in order to be accepted here. That’s just how it is. You’ve dragged this place that well. The mere fact that you haven’t been banned immediately should show you how lenient this place is. I would’ve banned you permanently and forever. I haven’t given you a break because I don’t think you have the ability to be a solid citizen. And you’ve proven again and again that you can’t. Just cool your jets and stick to the topic and stop keeping score. And if you can’t guaranteed the hand of God will be lowered on you and you will banned again.

E


Tue Apr 3 2018 11:00 am EST

SHONUFF... The Draft Lottery is April 28th. The furthest we can fall is 13th (provided we end at 10th). The only way we drop further is if someone behind us moves up to one of the top three spots.

Rhet0ric


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:50 am EST

I post maybe once or twice a year and have been here since the strike season when I searched near and far for anything hockey. I usually dont read anything that is an essay unless I get hooked with some good facts early. Fact is after all these years some of these posters were faster than NYR offical websites and social media on transactions. The keyboard warrior fighting is for a HS message board and I will leave for months on end when I see it. Posters on here have been kicked off , come back with an assumed name and then removed again becaise its obvious. The days Of Kara and Despo long gone.

shonuff


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:18 am EST

I hear you Hospo, but I can remember a while back, Kitchen came from nowhere & went rip city and you vanished for a while. Maybe that's the best way to deal with it, but this dynamic is just bizarre. I don't see the admin step in to stop people who NEVER post Rangers, and I understand some regulars don't want to be bothered. They just want their Ranger fix. Me too. I frankly don't get the hostility - and you saw me try to address it again last night. But no response, not one kind word, ever? Someone said just be a good dude, which I certainly am, just enjoy talking Rangers, which I try to. I'm like everyone else in that regard. I just don't get how it's a bad thing to post something that may be special, or maybe someone hasn't seen it or heard it. I take the time to do it and no one has to thank me - but I'm NOT going to take abuse for it either. At least you spoke out against it, once, and that's been the only time. And tradestar saw it for what it is. And Stevie. And that's it, and I'm battling like 3-4 guys with 15 screennames lol. It's a shitshow and not of my doin, imo. And I think I'm entitled to feel how I do just like everyone else. My strong preference is always to talk hockey.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 10:11 am EST

When does the NHL announce what order the lottery will be?

SHONUFF


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:52 am EST

GG - My advice? Listen to what insightful VTRANGER just said..It's not a minority opinion...soon, you will be posting..but nobody will be reading (personally I don't read them as much anymore)....You have ALOT to offer hockey-wise and even other stuff when you are not going BI-POLIS...you are not solely at fault in all these little pissing contests because it takes two, but you seem to be the common denominator like others used to be...IGNORE the master bating of Ranger Dude...and ignore the snarky garbage of your other enemies (For the most part)..Forget the cyber-macho "I will stand up for myself" stuff...Just have fun and let others have fun too...

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:52 am EST

No problem Vt Ranger, feel how you feel. I try to bring some good stuff here, but you needn't agree - and you dont walk in my shoes. It'd be one thing if I saw a similar critique from you on the attack dogs who post ZERO hockey, but I must've missed it.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Apr 3 2018 9:05 am EST

Polis/GG: I've been on this site since the 90's. Read every day, but post rarely now (usually when there is something I feel strongly about and think there is something interesting I can offer). Been a Ranger fan since 1971. I've played ice hockey for over 40 years and coached youth hockey for 10. Just wanted to give you my bonafides before I tell you that I started skipping all of your posts about a week after you reappeared on the scene. You seem to be a passionate, knowledgeable Ranger fan, but all the other baggage you bring just makes it not worth it for me (and I suspect many others). Real ife is stressful enough--I don't need one of my few escapes from it polluted with unnecessary drama. Just wanted you to know. Fire away!

VtRanger


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:46 am EST

make that: Odds get to 7th 0.3%.

limbo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:44 am EST

Predictions: NYR go 0-fer. Hawks go 0-fer. Panthers have 3 home games, definitely beating Buff, unlikely but punchers chance to get one off BOS/NASH. NYI loses to PHI, but will probably beat both NYR and DET. My odds NYR get to 9th: 60%. Odds get to 8th: 20%. Odds get to 8th: 0.3%.

limbo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:40 am EST

Hospo: Define 'long time'...

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:40 am EST

They are not getting Top 5, so who the hell cares about the draft position? If they want to move up bad enough, they will..this the reason for all the tankng and quitting that ruins sports these days..I'd rather see them play well and win..becasue it's going to be a long time till they win again

Hospo


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:20 am EST

PJ: I hope you're right. Hawks, Panthers and Islanders all sitting 3 points behind the Rangers...tough to see any of them winning 2 of their final 3 games.

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:13 am EST

With Fast and Zucc out I don't see any points for us in the last three...The Devils will want to wrap up their playoff spot and the Fishsticks and Flyers will salivate at the site of our D.....

PJ


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:10 am EST

PJ: Oh, my mistake. Yikes, they'll probably catch Carolina and draft 11th overall!!!

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:08 am EST

AON, taking a look back on the draft that landed the Canucks the Sedins brings back a drawer full of more lousy Ranger memories. It was the 1999 draft - drafted first was Patrick Stepan, followed by the twins, then (gulp) Pavel Brendl. Next came Tim Connolly, Brian Finley, Kris Beech, Taylor Pyatt and then Jamie Lundmark. That first round is brimming with players with disappointing NHL resumes. In fact, that entire draft was lousy. After the twins, you gotta go the 8th round to find someone who scored at near their rate (Henrik Zettenberg). Wow...

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 8:04 am EST

Actually 3 games left...

PJ


Tue Apr 3 2018 7:54 am EST

Draft status update: 2 games left and 4 points behind the 11th overall spot and 3 points up on the 9th. They're gonna finish in the 10th overall spot.

rF4l


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:56 am EST

Hanky 26-33 by magic math

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:55 am EST

My math mind says they are 8-12 without hanky

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 6:37 am EST

“The Rangers have won 34-of-79 games. Lundqvist, whose 40-save, 2-1 victory in Carolina on Saturday marked the 11th game this year in which he has faced at least 40 shots after seeing that many 48 times over the first 12 seasons of his career, has won 26-of-59 starts. “ In other words, not nearly enough to satisfy anyone.”....https://nypost.com/2018/04/02/lundqvist-sends-loud-message-rangers-will-not-hit-bottom/

Stevielegs


Tue Apr 3 2018 2:39 am EST

Lol at the tradegenerator to low expectations mode. Fits me pretty good too!

Ola


Tue Apr 3 2018 12:06 am EST

Irving moofman jack where are you in the holy land ? Maybe takes us east to Mecca? Are you parting the Red Sea or building an ark ? Do you have the other 5 commandments? Are you really Mel Brooks, not related to Larry ? Or just tuning your traderator to lower expectations mode ?

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:24 pm EST

RangerDooLittle! Any hockey? Any EVER? We had a little airing of grievances before, like Festivis. Im very open & direct with things, yes. Why don't you come clean? Are you York18 or KIS? I'm pretty sure they're one & the same, the lack of punctuation is another telltale. I'm not gonna raz you about you 'being busy with life' lol, the usual excuse York gives ha, or the other stupid shit. You Messier 11? Cause I've had posters tell me privately everyone hated that mother, who only wanted to start trouble. We were mixing it up last time when the hammer fell. Cause i will NEVER give in to that kind of tyranny. But here's your chance. I ignored you a good while but what possesses you to spend your time in such a manner? My guess is, before I ever posted a single word here under any name, I used to see this clearly orchestrated gambit 'hey Yorkie' that was pathetic, and it had a lot of oldtimers fooled a long time. And he'd make believe he checked with whoever & had the scoop. Incredibly LAME. then I come along with the real shit & you instantly attacked attacked nothing but. What gives? I've worked in the game fuckface, I've got a lot of friends, I'm more active elsewhere talking to people than here even everyday. So what? It don't mean a thing. But I think you're jealous. Am I wrong? I do notice the only time Rdoolittle seems to go away is when I bring up the whole York-Kis-gremlin phenomena. What's your deal? And sure, if you got a real REAL problem with me, where you at? I'd like to get things straight & only need a few seconds of your time. Tell the truth.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:22 pm EST

RHET: I have virtual check of list of what it takes to win based roughly on a matrix of probability and success and deep thought. This means the formula of h2g2 as it takes a puck 10 to the minus 42nd power seconds to cross the diameter of an equally scaled net. And when you remember that and realize that a light beamed off of Messier’s forehead at specifically 42-degrees will reveal the exact formula for how many players and of what type you need to win a cup. And I would’ve thought all of this was obvious and self evident. And once you see these mysterious things in a way that makes any sense, Fenwick and Corsi become mere elementary stats. The real math is when you can interpret that which is not inside but in the mind of the deceiver. So, while the truth will make you small and the lie will make you fall, it only takes one second to realize that the mirror is upside down and it tis the deceiver who is small and the truth sayer who is tall. So, ask someone when they’re 4’2 if they know anything at all? But Alice was never mistaken for an amphibian. Blue horseshoe loves Annacot Steel. I have it on good inside authority.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:49 pm EST

Rhet what you described sounds like a duo case of hillaritis and veenyoitis. That might be treatable but possibly incurable . The victim / perpetrator card is the key...

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:38 pm EST

BlowSal - do you behave like this in your real life dude? your need to puff your chest in this place is pathetic. truly it is

Ranger Dude


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:25 pm EST

Arc...sorry if someone already responded but remember that redraft is based on like 9 months of assessment. I know you know that but I feel compelled to say that it's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early to make definitive conclusions.

rF4l


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:14 pm EST

PJ - Tthat's the attitude and defense ( the defensive side ) the Rangers need and have nobody even approaching..Gonna be a longgggggg rebuild..

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:13 pm EST

RHET - I'm not saying JT is all that and a bag of chips..and I was one of those that said he was playing subpar and with his head up his ass...just seemed to me there was alot more going on (AV, chemistry) then him just failing....Becase Vesey was failing..Skjei was failing ..others were failing....But MIller really stood out..and it looked like a change had to be made...I preferred tha coach being canned..but obviuosly the Rangers had reason to belive that this just wasnt the place for MIller...Ayway, even if playing with better players,I've watched a few games of him and he is defiently a different player for the most part...But again, doesn't matter..I jusr wish Namstikov would do somethiomg..even a JT-ike brain fart would be welcome

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:07 pm EST

The Preds put on a clinic in TB last night...Shut down the Bolts and made them look bad doing it....The same Bolts players roaming the crease against the Rangers were knocked down or never got there in this game....So envious...

PJ


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:05 pm EST

HOSPO it’s less about opinion and more about toxicity.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:02 pm EST

E... Who said the NYR were only 1-2 payers away? One or two players away from what BTW? ...Hospo... In regard to JT: He's playing with the two best players on their team and it's way too small of a sample size to tell what he'll end up being in the future. Let's first see how he does in the playoffs. The guy has a history of not showing up in the postseason, he should only be able to improve upon that by playing with Stamkos and Kucherov ....TD... If I had a dollar for every time you said it about Brandon Dubinsky I could get a large pie AND a Coke easily. Apparently my retirement will suck :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 2 2018 7:50 pm EST

E - I think we agree..I just put hins differently and less rationally..SOMETIMES....As for all the Pissing on the Wall lately..Man, you guys take your own opinions way too seriously..Lighten up Francis!

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 7:25 pm EST

HOSPO: Its not like I want to discuss hockey but, you're absolutely right. But if/when people say, "we are just one or two players away" I just think thats touching themselves. The New York Rangers are 5-6 players away from being able to do anything. Its gonna take some time. And that is why I keep reminding sardonically, "this is what a rebuild looks like." Its gonna be a rough road...

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:52 pm EST

and just record-straightening LOL, TD, you ABSOLUTELY questioned Chris Kreider's heart, specifically, and admittedly, I went totally ballistic. That's what earned you the Doctor TD moniker LOL!!!, one of my better nicknames ahaha. Now I have not said that to you even ONE time since I was uh.... allowed back on the ice, so to speak, hahaha... but you dudes could lighten up a bit too. Ok, I didnt want to even say it then LOL, we've been getting on pretty nice & Id hope it continues. Ill just leave you with a line from a favorite show of mine, from where I sit it kinda says it. LOL. "It ain't easy civilizin' you motherfuckers."

Gorton Gecco


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:50 pm EST

TD... C'mon, when he's not attacking someone directly he mocks others as "superfans" solely because the don't share the same opinion as him. Then he claims to be the victim when someone call him put on it. Same schtick every single incarnation he's been here.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:43 pm EST

Yeah well, short & sweet. I'm ready for Festivus haha. For one thing, the weather's got me spinning for sure. Siberia in the morning and lovely spring in the afternoon. But look, last time folks, I COME IN PEACE. I love all things Rangers and ALL Ranger fans (no snide remark). So I know I got a lot to say and strong opinions, and Im doing my best to stay within ToS even though I get called every name in the book - by people who dont even post Rangers! Then the regulars HELP them LOL! It's a LooneyBin! I mean cmon, we have our disagreements, but most here are intelligent, good sense of right and wrong, etc. You cant think thats right. I cant, and wont stand for it. You get in my face, or that snarky shit like you just did with the meds, TD, (no need, really), I will show you how much youre just a mosquioto on King Kong's ass. Dont do it. That said, enjoy your evening.

Gorton Gecco


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:35 pm EST

And dude, seriously...You gotta stop flaming people. RFC Admin let you back on and for the most part you've been pretty good...But it seems you take an issue with just about everyone here at one point or another. I mean, we all have our moments here and arguments...but they usually abate and we all go back to talking Rangers. You're the one guy here who always seems to be fighting with someone and I just don't get it.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:31 pm EST

GG - Get back on your meds dude. Your whole flame war over KREIDER was a great example of how you take topics and go over the top with them. What I had said about Kreider is that he expected to play in New York and was mostly, if not fully disinterested in playing for Hartford during the lockout... He dogged it something fierce down there...and what I told you back then that you simply didn't care to read was that I WATCHED IT FIRST-HAND. and it took him a good square kick in the balls from Torts to pull his ass around in New York. But go ahead and play revisionist history and claim I said he sucked and he didn't have heart and he was responsible for the Third Reich, the downfall of the dinosaurs and global warming...re: LUNDQVIST, you do realize ALL goaltenders have moments like that? It's called being a goalie. Just like all players, they have their off days. Hank picked up a disaster of a team and carried it on his shoulders for most of the season. You are really among a vocal-but-very-small minority of fans who think Hank is no longer a top NHL goaltender.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:07 pm EST

E - Yes you want your defense to move the puck and take chances, but that can only be done when the TEAM DEFNESE and support is played by the forwards...And there's a big difference between the crap the Rangers have thrown out on defense as puck movers since management quit on the season..and what the Predators have built..all thos guys can play offense AND defense and, most of all, except for Ellis are all 6'0 and 200-220...Maybe with Hajak and Lindgren the Rangers have gotten the picture and realize the Gilmour, Deangelos and Pionks,to go along with the defensively feeble Shattenkirk is a death sentance...

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:52 pm EST

Keep saying ban cause that's your only hope BusEy. I'm not violating any ToS, as opposed to some who go MONTHS never mentioning hockey! Who's only purpose is to attack me. And NOBODY says ANYTHING (Hospo once, to be accurate) So sry dudes. I could definitely live without the facewashes but people won't stop saying stupid shit, and I'm forced to defend myself. Told youse, I ain't no punching bag. Come at me wrong, expect to get cracked. Simple as that.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:41 pm EST

just keeps on looking for that ban.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:37 pm EST

GG: Do you just sit around all fucking day trying to find someone new to argue with? Jesus christ....

RDW


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:28 pm EST

And since you were frankly dumb enough to bring up 'perspective' TDCHI, now would be a good time to remind you sir of your STEADFAST proclamations from years ago how in your opinion, Chris Kreider no had heart. Particularly laughable 'perspective' in light of what transpired this year, I'd say. Dont make me say more, man, really lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:27 pm EST

I think the one thing that most be pushed upon is that Nashville has an exceptionally quick, puck possession defense. I think we are a now in a defenseman first league now. Everyone is looking for guys who shoot and are productive.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:10 pm EST

TD what neither you nor many fans can't grasp is Hank hasnt lost it all at once. Thats why on balance his numbers aren't horrendous, though they're trending the wrong way. No, Hank is good-decent for long stretches within a single game even, then BOOM, disaster strikes. He will - and HAS - yielded 3 goals in 10 minutes or less is positively FRIGHTENING fashion. And he';s ice cold to start and weary late in periods/games. and the numbers reflect all that. It's unmistakeable. Again dont know how many times this needs to occur for you to spot it. But in those meltdown moments? OMG, he's barely a ECHL goaltender. It is simply incompetent netminding. And I wouldnt say my view alone, more & more are coming to realize it, among them the Ranger brass.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:09 pm EST

Ola- hemorrhoids = Lower body injury lol. You are correct on almost all points (I don’t agree on trading Shatt just yet mostly due to nostalgia since he was one of us and that stil matters to me. But ultimately,I’m not sure I’d call Skjei a #1D even in the future; Avery good #2 perhaps but he hasn’t shown me anything more than that. Pretty much all of the guys we’ve gotten this past few weeks also project to be good 2D. Now the draft does have 2 really solid looking prospective right handed 1D; I’m sure ur familiar with Boqvist but also look up Evan Bouchard; he’s a well built guy that looks like he’s going to be a workhorse and the kid can flat out pass; I mean really uncanny ability to dish it without being ‘fancy’ but unfortunately both probably gone by pick 8 so we’re out of luck. I’m hoping Gorton will be able to get up higher but it may take a guy like Zibanejad to do it (Stinky and Spooner ain’t gonna get it done) but we have a glut of 2nd liners with a couple more in the pipeline so may be palatable. I’d hate to see any of this guys lining up for the islanders tho; Hopefully they’ll go for Wahlstrom instead;)

_Arc


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:05 pm EST

Hospo- Yeah you are right, you need a really strong defense to win. And Nashville is of course exceptionally strong defensively. But I don’t think it’s extremely hard to build a blueline that could win, but that offense, it’s hard to get. Depth, you really need 3 lines and top talent.

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:05 pm EST

Apparently, this Trouba nonsense is contagious.

Bob


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:03 pm EST

Wait a second. Who's talking about TROUBA?!? Don't be stepping on my turf Ola ;)

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 5:01 pm EST

The love affair for Casey MITTELSTADT is interesting...Kid has oodles of talent...but top three in that draft? The guy who should be at the top is TOLVANEN...Likewise, NECAS is a serious player...ANDERSSON at 11th overall isn't as much of a drop as it is a reflection of where he probably should have been taken...The guy I would have dropped is Nolan PATRICK. I'm still not sure why exactly he was taken second overall.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:59 pm EST

OLA - Good stuff..I agree with alot of it...But one big difference ..the part about Defense..Look at the two teams in Finals last year...one built totally on defense and the other, the winner, more on offense, but not forsaking defense entirely...I think you are right that the back-line Six D doesn't really "win championships" any more although I think you need alot more ingredients than the mini me 98 pound weakling defense the Rangers have been throwing out lately..And yes, Pitt wins with offense I guess but during their PO runs, they won because their forwards played a total effort two way game where they were first to the puck in ALL ZONES and won the puck battles..TEAM Defense maybe more than the back-line..And, of course, you need a goalie like The King to be there for the breakdowns..

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:58 pm EST

GG - The fact that you DON'T think LUNDVIST is a top goalie in this league says everything I need to know about your perspective. Again. Not trying to be a dick. But your opinion of him is simply so divorced from reality. No issues with folks who say Hank ain't what he once was...they're correct. But saying he's a second-rate goalie? Man, that's funny.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:48 pm EST

4. In my opinion, Shattenkirk should be traded ASAP. He plays the same role as TDA and Pionk. None of those three PK. So many teams always looking for a RD. Looking around the league, it’s easy to find 10 teams that probably would give up a 1st in 19’ or two 2nds to get Shatty. Please, his injury won’t scare them off. If Shatty was an UFA he would have had a ton of suitors willing to go 5-6 years. But let’s say we keep him, and he starts to struggle. Get more injuries. Girardis BO, the Smith disaster, Staal — like we can’t survive with 20m plus tied up in players that don’t play — for 3-4 more years!! Deal Shatty ASAP!

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:45 pm EST

Ola part of Assvipe’s job

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:43 pm EST

3. Defense does NOT win championships anymore. Offense does. The huge dived between the haves and have nots is the elite offensive game. Don’t focus too much on building a team from the net and out. Don’t think Gorton will fall into that trap. BUT, I think it’s very important to acknowledge that a crappy team have a hard time developing an OK blueline, and a team without an OK blueline will have a very hard time properly develop good young forwards. Ds also take longer time to develop. This gives you a big challenge TIMING WISE. You can’t build a team from the draft by like drafting a D every other top pick, the Ds will arrive to late, and not get any support. You want a blueline to somewhat be in place when the young elite offensive skill comes in and start to put it together. These Ds must be older than the forwards. Winnipeg, Toronto, Chicago — so often successful teams have Ds older than their elite young talent. Keith/Seabrook we’re older than Toews/Kane. Tor had 3-4 solid Ds. Winnipeg had Buff, Myers, Trouba and co when Sch and Laine came in. It’s good that we have Skjei. Pionk looks like a keeper. But boy — would a 24 y/o RD like Trouba fit well next to Pionk going forward. When the offensive picks we made last, make this and next summer start to have an impact — Skjei-Trouba could be a top 1st pair in their prime. Just like you want it. TDA and Pionk next to them. Someone with size on the right side. Hajak/Lindgren/Rykov/Gilmour/Bereglazov and the likes should be able to fill two LD spots.

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:34 pm EST

Stevie- The ocular inspection is to be carried out by AV. ;)

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:34 pm EST

I spent some time looking over both the UFAs and the RFAs this summer, and I expect the Rangers to be active at the draft and in free agency this summer. Here's a set of predictions for what they might do this summer. I think they move Spooner and a high pick (a late first or a second) to Carolina for Noah Hanifin. They'll move another RFA, maybe Vesey and a prospect to Arizona for Max Domi. They'll resign these two RFAs, plus their remaining RFAs (Hayes, Skjei, Namestnikov). In free agency, I see them simply bringing back Nash at a discount. Next season: Kreider-Zibanejad-Domi, Namestnikov-Chytil-Buchnevich, Andersson-Hayes-Nash, Lettieri-Nieves-Fast, Skjei-Shattenkirk, Hanifin-Pionk, Staal-Deangelo, Lundqvist-Georgiev.

evets1980


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:33 pm EST

2. It is essential that we don’t put a crappy team on the ice next season, with Skjei in a No 1 position he isn’t quite ready for — AND with a partner he have to babysit. He is only 23-24 y/o. It’s a challenge for him to take on a No 1 role. Get a steady stay at home D from UFA or trade. Like Schenn or Gryba could probably be had for like a 1 mil per on 1-2 year deal. Washington would LOVE to get rid of Brooks Orpiks 5m contract with 1 year left — to resign Carlson. Do they trade like a 2nd and a 3rd to get Gorts to take Orpik? Or like Rykov for Orpik and Washington’s 1st? We must get someone that will have Skjeis back next season, it will be a messy season, Ds can definitely be hurt by that.

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:31 pm EST

Ola now you're literally trying to be a pain in some guys' asses....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:29 pm EST

Some thoughts: 1. We will all probably like Ziba as a young 24 y/o RHS center on a team dereft of right shooting players. UNTILL he gets his next hit. Next concussion. I didn’t really comfortable with how he reacted to this one. He said that it’s just not something that is affected, your entire life is affected. I get what he mean, don’t sound good at all. Many players get headache and don’t feel 100%, Ziba wasn’t good at all. A lot of teams looking for a center out there. Can Gorton get a really good price for Ziba? Ziba has been great the last month. 1-2 more hits could mess it up for him real bad...

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 4:22 pm EST

_arc- Couldn’t agree more. Everyone that so much have a hemorrhoid on their ass should sit the rest of the season, call it a lower body injury.

Ola


Mon Apr 2 2018 3:17 pm EST

Td it's more like read the lines lol. Not between them. Don't believe me? Well that's not wise or nice. But to not believe anybody? Ok. Keep believing Hanks a top goalie lol.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 2:43 pm EST

Lmfao at both Zucc and Quickie being shut down; So it finally got through their thick skulls that winning right now is utterly and completely unhelpful for the grand plan; A little too late I dumbfuggs

_Arc


Mon Apr 2 2018 2:40 pm EST

Hockey news did a Re- draft of 2017 and interesting that Lias Anderson fell to 11 and Chytil moved up to 12. Casey Mitllestad made it all the way up to #3 (was my preferred choice at 7 btw), and Eili Toilvainen made it up to #8 while Necas who was taken at 12 is up to #7. Not complaining about Lias, but man what kind of conversation would we be having if we had any of those other kids. Nico hirs Hire and Patric Nolan unchanged at the top. Btw, I think if either of those two were to be included in this years crop, I’m not sure either would crack the top5 just to put it in perspective!

_Arc


Mon Apr 2 2018 2:28 pm EST

TD...partly because right now there's very little of interest when it comes to the Rangers in general. Next big story likely will be AV's firing and then a slew of media spun stories on his possible replacement. Then the lead up to the draft. Until both of these events, there's really not much to talk about. Even the Pack are giving us little to talk about - it would have been nice to watch how the likes of Pionk, Gilmour, Geo, Lindgren, Vinnie and the 2 teenagers made out.

rF4l


Mon Apr 2 2018 2:02 pm EST

Oh yeah. Larry Brooks. The arbiter of truth. I'm convinced.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 2:00 pm EST

Just totally dumbfounded that in all of Ranger fandom, this is the topic that's taking up the wall. Usually like coming on this site at the top of the week...and instead, we get a nice boring bullshit speculation over why JT Miller was traded...

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:59 pm EST

3. The Rangers had become convinced J.T. Miller’s coachability issues were not linked to Vigneault and they were concerned he had regressed in his work habits and off-ice preparation, according to individuals familiar with the inner dynamic. ..... he’s Tampa property now so let them deal with him.... but I’m not sure how veenyo gets unlinked from any player. He decides lineup and ice times. He dealt with Brendan smith by finally giving up on him. And I guess parmenter didn’t deal with some issues. ... let the soap operas continue... too bad selective memory affects most nyr fans ...it’s hard to be consistent as an armchair gm .... flip flopping emotions.... especially after wins and losses....and trades and waiver wires , drafts, and ufas et al ....and there is no time limit 1940/1979/1994/et al ....78 years of hindsight.... 2 Cups ....plenty of woulda coulda shoulda to go around....

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:58 pm EST

And seriously, I'm f'ing done with this absolutely stupid conversation. Who cares anyway? Team moved on from MILLER. I think it was a mistake. We'll see in time. The reasons why they moved on might be a little more relevant then. Right now, they don't mean squat.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:56 pm EST

GG - Look, I'm trying to be nice about this...but let me be a little more blunt: I don't believe you. Period. I don't believe JT MILLER 'being a dick' got him traded as your so-called insider info states. I just don't. He was traded for a number of reasons...first and foremost? CONTRACT. Second? CONSISTENCY. Third? It got the deal DONE. I'm not going to sit here and play this read-between-the-lines BS.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:38 pm EST

IT was a very valid question!

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:36 pm EST

RHET - I was a valid question about JT? One that really hasnt been answered in light of how he has played for TB..Similar questions were appropriate for youngsters like Brady SKjei, Jimmy Vesey and earlier Chris Kreider, among others..Why were so many kids regressing..something was rotten on the team and it wasnt just the individual players..a toxic year all around until all the prerssure was off when mangement quit...

Hospo


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:17 pm EST

He killed J.T., in a living way. Btw your other enormous blind spot would be in net, but I don't want to even get into it. But shit, I hope you don't drive in LI, or warn me if you do

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:14 pm EST

Sry didn't mean to drag full story. Just blurb #3 - for about the 3rd time. TD what's up? How do you just block out? For a perceptive guy it's baffling. There's still ten deadline coverage online, interviews with both gms.all pretty much say same thing. I mean. I think it's a stone dead issue, but shit, did you read the little interview I posted? That's someone you know well, a straight shooter by all accounts. And he killed MY, albeit in a living way.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 1:09 pm EST

Nothing.... SPORTS Behind the Rangers’ big trade and the major decisions up next By Larry Brooks February 27, 2018 | 8:26pm Ryan McDonagh; Alain Vigneault Getty Images VANCOUVER, British Columbia — Regarding the team now identified as Rest of the Rangers, or in the Olympic spirit, ROR: 1. Left unsaid in the decision to trade Ryan McDonagh to Tampa Bay on Monday is management’s belief the Blueshirts were/are in need of a more inspirational and perhaps even confrontational personality as team captain. No one would dare dispute McDonagh’s character, commitment, toughness or work ethic. The man played the final three games of the 2015 conference finals on a broken ankle, for goodness sakes. He was a lead-by-example guy since getting the “C” at the start of 2104-15. But with Alain Vigneault, a coach who believes in leaving the locker room to his player leadership core, there was a sense that the club needed a captain who would get in his teammates’ faces when necessary and that McDonagh was not that kind of leader. Had such a player emerged, the Rangers might have considered changing captains, as the Sharks did in going from Joe Thornton to Joe Pavelski; as the Kings did in moving from Dustin Brown to Anze Kopitar; as the Devils once did in going from Patrik Elias (after one year) to Jamie Langenbrunner and, before that, from Bruce Driver (after one season) to Scott Stevens; as the Islanders did in moving from Clark Gillies (after one year) to Denis Potvin in the offseason preceding their first Stanley Cup; and as the Blueshirts themselves did way back when, in going from Harry Howell to Red Sullivan. But no such alternative presented itself. The next captain more likely than not will come from the outside in the person of a veteran with characteristics similar to, say, Martin St. Louis, who might have inherited the position vacated by Ryan Callahan’s trade if No. 26 had more than one year remaining on his contract when McDonagh was named instead. Martin St. Louis Christopher Pasatieri That’s the Type A type of veteran management will be seeking this summer in advance of a 2018-19 in which most of the rebuilding will take place off Broadway. 2. The judgement regarding Vigneault’s fate, and the identity of his successor if management opts to make a change, are obviously management’s most critical twin decisions of the offseason. Toronto’s rebuilding process accelerated when Mike Babcock took over behind the bench two years ago, just as Boston’s reboot got a charge when the Bruins replaced Claude Julien with Bruce Cassidy during the middle of last season. If missing on a top-10 first-rounder this June would be deadly, going the wrong way on the coaching decision would set back the program by years. I would not be surprised if St. Louis is in the mix for an assistant’s job next season regardless of the call on Vigneault. 3. The Rangers had become convinced J.T. Miller’s coachability issues were not linked to Vigneault and they were concerned he had regressed in his work habits and off-ice preparation, according to individuals familiar with the inner dynamic. As such, they were not going to grant Miller, an upcoming restricted free agent with arbitration rights, the long-term deal for between $5 million and $5.4 million per season that would have been required to keep him off the open market following next season. Had the parties gone to arbitration on a one-year deal, Miller likely would have been in the $4.5 million range during what would have been his walk season. That was the impetus behind the decision to include him in the deal with the Lightning.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:56 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Aside from STEPAN, who was the last player I said that about? I think if you had a dollar for every time I said that about a Ranger player, you'd find yourself with enough scratch to buy a slice of pizza...but that's about it...regarding the deal...again...I don't believe for one minute that the Rangers ID'd JT MILLER as some sort of threat to their future and that they were desperately trying to move him...I just don't. Sorry. Maybe you're right and Shithead Brooks will spin a few lies that will convince me...Was it a deal I would have done? Nope. Not in the least. Did the Rangers overpay? Yep. In my opinion. But again...Nothing...there is NOTHING that says they were trying to ride his ass out of here because of his behavior or attitude or any other problem outside of him not becoming the impact player they wanted him to be.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:50 pm EST

_Arc - I hope you're right. I've got a 30-rack and a tall boy of good beer wagered against a cocky-ass Bruins fan who is convinced they're going to the finals. I felt pretty safe in my bet until they dispatched Tampa pretty handily the other day...

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:37 pm EST

It's funny, but I clearly remember pretty much every poster on the wall asking what was wrong with JT Miller this season, how he seriously looked like he had regressed... He's also always had spurts where he disappears, but now all of a sudden he get's traded and he's the second coming ...Jesus T. Miller ...OR... J.T. Christ? ....TD... Stevie is right. No one ever said, intimated or hinted that JT was the key to the deal. According to Yzerman, the deal was pretty much done when Gorton brought him up and he asked for Namestnikov. Also, from what I've read, Gorton was talking to other teams about Miller at least two weeks before the deadline. Until Brooks does some kind of expose, anything else is supposition/opinion.... Also, If I had a dollar for every time you say the NYR will regret trading a certain player, I could probably retire early.

Rhet0ric


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:32 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 16m16 minutes ago Zuccarello having an MRI after blocking shots in Carolina; Fast (groin) likely done for the season. #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:28 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie Fast expected to miss rest of season with groin issue, per Vigneault. Zuccarello doubtful tomorrow at NJ after couple of blocked shots.

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:18 pm EST

_Arc: give them a chance mate. I agree that they aren’t a true contender but??? You never know. The bigger point is that they’ve rebuilt and added to that framework into a young and in many cases cheap pipeline. They’ve done great that way. They do remind me of the New York Rangers in the sense that they do seem to lack gamebreakers. Certainly, they don’t stack gaudy talent up and down their lineup like Nashville and TB do. But they’ve made a lot of good things. One can only hope that the New York Rangers are going to fast track their way back in. I think they only missed one or two playoff seasons before they started to ascend.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 12:06 pm EST

E- the Bruins will not get past rd 2. I think they’re much like the rangers of yesteryear; strong up and down the lineup but no truely exceptional talent and as such will suffer the same fate. I’m not really thinking them as being the gold standard considering they’ve really not done squat yet in the form of playoffs!!!

_Arc


Mon Apr 2 2018 11:57 am EST

TD: I like the template that the B’a used to get themselves back into the fray. And I’d love the New York Rangers to use this template. Much of the way the B’s are built now are the template for how I’d build the New York Rangers. As a collective unit: Big, fast, physical. But it’s naive to give Boston credit as something substantially more then serendipitous luck with a lot that’s happened. It seems like every prospect hit a home run. Not taking it away from them but damn the moons have aligned for them.

E


Mon Apr 2 2018 11:47 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers Jesper Fast (maintenance) is not practicing today. #NYR

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 11:45 am EST

Well, the NHL won't have the SEDIN sisters to kick around any more...

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:47 am EST

Hospo - Agreed: Your opinion is worthless. Mine, however, is overriding and all-important. Please make a note of it.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:46 am EST

RF4L - This is what the Bruins did: They recognized that you don't need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. And instead of callously cutting, they left the framework of their championship team in place and strategically built around it. Certainly, there was a bit of luck at play. They hit paydirt with KRUG and McAVOY...Krug, many forget, was a UFA signing out of college...But their biggest two moves? Kicking CHARELLI to the curb...and then shortly after, Claude JULLIEN...this latter part was probably what most significantly impacted the Bruins...Now here's the funny part...Julien was sort of the Torts of Boston. A defense-first, grind-em-out, tough-guy-hockey coach...He totally stymied Boston's attack...Bruce Cassidy, ironically, coaches the team much in the way that AV coaches the Rangers...The Bruins are a four-line team...they still play tough hockey, but they are all about overloading on offense. There are so many parallels between the game they play and the one AV employs in New York...the difference? AV doesn't have the soldiers the Bruins have...He doesn't have BERGERON, who is the best two-way center in the NHL...he doesn't have a guy like CHARA, who despite being old and slow, is still a force in the lockerroom...It's one of the reasons I'm not 100 percent convinced they will part ways with AV this off-season...I think it's also important to note that the Bruins also got with picks 25, 56, 116, and 146, they picked PASTERNK, DONATO, Danton HIENAN, and Andres BJORK...even the kid they picked in the seventh round, Emil JOHANSSEN, looks to be an NHLer...five picks...five NHLers...two stars...maybe three...then when they stacked up on first/second rounders in 2015, they landed a real nice compliment of young players, some of whom aren't even in Boston yet...two drafts and they totally replenished their system.

tdchi


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:45 am EST

And actually, in its semi-coherent form regardless the moniker, it's kind of a dead giveaway lol. Don't go all StevieCrazy on me ha...

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:43 am EST

My bad Stevie, my bad lol. Yes it was a hint.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:39 am EST

was trying to talk about a coach Stevie, thats all. His name is out there cause the canadien guys had it out there. Dunce/York/Kis/FLB/M11/BusEy can all provide more insight Im sure.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:28 am EST

Boston’s Brad Marchand fined $5,000, the maximum allowable under the CBA, for cross-checking Philadelphia’s Andrew MacDonald........ Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello Rick Carpiniello Retweeted NHL Player Safety Absurd the way the NHL treats this guy. ... reaches under couch cushion, pays fine.

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 10:26 am EST

gggg backup on the paranoia....you are guessing blowfish is from a former poster...you may be right, you may be crazy billy joel....grow some thick internet skin.....sometimes not easy , but try.....good luck with the target on your back....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:46 am EST

you too Stevie?

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:32 am EST

Gggg guess the blowfish was a hint too .

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:10 am EST

So Id said to Ola, man could we use a guy who brings along defensemen, because we could. But nobody gets my hints LOL. The guy I meant really was Mann, from Hershey, who was previously with Charlotte, pretty sure they were our echl affiliate back then. He brought along several of Washington's D including Carlson. Anyway, just a name floating around out there - hopefully people dont take offense that I posted this LOL. http://www.hersheybears.com/team/coaches.php

Gorton Gekko


Mon Apr 2 2018 9:00 am EST

stevie: Oh yes, agreed on the coaching aspect. AV is stale without a doubt and needs to go. Who replaces him is arguably Gorton's biggest move of them all. Let's hope he doesn't go for a retread but at the same time, doesn't go in the opposite direction and we get Bryan Trottier II.

rF4l


Mon Apr 2 2018 8:44 am EST

rf4l many teams are a lot better than the sum of their parts....chemistry and good coaching creates a real TEAM....what Vegas has done, no one predicted.....but it's proof a good coach can accomplish more with less.....hopefully fishboy decides to try to find one of them.....and succeeds .....or his rebuild, retool, rebababa , WILL LAST A LIFETIME .....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 8:38 am EST

the shame of it is with the nyr they would have naturally tanked if no trades were made. The kids are playing for their future so they are not tankers, just inexperienced on the nhl level.....noe they play the last 3 with arch rivals, debbies, fishstinktank , plilthy. and unfortunately the panthers don't seem to be able to knock one of the 2 out for the wildcard spot..and few want the nyr to help them to hurt themselves ...the only half bright spot is jt deciding where to go , with the nyr having a small shot at signing him.....if fishboy even wants to go there....but if snow stays, jt should bolt .... to wherever the money and shot at the cup is best....

stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 8:23 am EST

How are the Bruins doing what they're doing? I find it incredible and inexplicable.

rF4l


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:44 am EST

If there’s one common theme to fishboy is that he doesn’t want too many long term ntc contracts . He’s half stuck with staal , zucchini, and hanky with a few more possible to come. The nhl cap forces teams to go with inexpensive youth . If the choice was stepan or jitters, I’d probably pick stepan fetchit. Jitters so far is baby Nash or worse in the playoffs. Let’s see what he does with Tampa in them . In the meantime fishboy has to put a good roster together for next season , not some haphazard quilt . And of course he needs to find a gallant no matter what the roster is, not a coach excuse machine.

Stevielegs


Mon Apr 2 2018 6:01 am EST

"So how many teams that might not otherwise fire its coach would do so if the Blackhawks dismiss Joel Quenneville? Is there any more of a metronome than Derek Stepan, who, good, bad or indifferent — never indifferent — is on his way to a fifth straight season of posting between 53 and 57 points? Entering Saturday with 53 (with a career-low 13 goals but a matching career-high 40 assists) with four games to go, the former Ranger — pretty much everyone in the league is a former Ranger by now — could establish a personal best. Yes, the Blueshirts missed him. Yes, everyone knew that they would. No, I never understood why the market was next to non-existent for him. "

stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:40 pm EST

3/28/18 | On NBCSN, Bob McKenzie said that the Rangers will again be "open for business." McKenzie said, "same as they were at the trade deadline, once the season is over the road to the rebuild continues. You have these three first round picks, two second round picks and that is almost too many. What I believe is the case is that John Gorton will look at opportunities, is there a chance to package up some of those picks, 1 or 2 or 3 of the first round picks to move up higher in the draft or a first and a second to move up in the draft." He added, "another consideration, I don't think the Rangers are interested in getting 26-27-28 year old guys but if you can find a really good 21-22-23 year old, using those draft picks as currency, I think the Rangers are wide open for that. Wide open to a lot of things on their player roster trades, wide open for things in terms of moving those draft picks as currency."

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:26 pm EST

I am still against Keefe as a coach. He will be a disaster in the Dallas Eakins mode. We dodged a bullet once, can’t say I’d be surprised if he ended up here but I’m calling it now. But I’ll give him a chance, especially because it means the end of the AV era.

ColoradoMark


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:08 pm EST

HOSPO- Great Bloom County Reference! Opus would be a great Ranger Fan!

ColoradoMark


Sun Apr 1 2018 10:29 pm EST

Stevie both Yzerman and Gorton spoke about it, and the TSN guys also said that's when the deal came together. I could care less that this point,bits done. I agree it's a deal we'll regret but it's the GMs prerogative. So what he thinks best. And flip side, if he did trade an unsolvable blabbermouth and a damaged McD, the take is not terrible. 2 former no. 1s, a no.1 this year plus maybe a conditional no. 1 plus Hajak who they expect to play.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 10:03 pm EST

Ok Yorkie LOL!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:57 pm EST

Mr call them as I see them blowfish sal. You are a internet predator, pilos rabid and now youre latest incarnation, your trying more now but youre still the same piece of crap in the end. Rude and offensice ay the core and the end result is you drive away people who ate far more interesting than you so yep i will call you out

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:46 pm EST

Now he's mister nice guy LOL!!!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:39 pm EST

Hospo zero reason to apologize, I am a dude and a dud, lmao

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:13 pm EST

RangerDude - Ooops..That "RangerDud" wasnt on purpose!

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:10 pm EST

RangerDud..Nah, that's Jesus Pionk...:)....

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:59 pm EST

Hospo all I can say is this is all your fault... lol....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:52 pm EST

GG is cruising for the ban again... just keep going on the name calling...

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:36 pm EST

And wtf jt miller is now the mrssiah...

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:35 pm EST

Don't wanna talk to someone but posting about busEy, yep eventually just one poster on here

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:33 pm EST

Where was it ever reported that jitters is why the deal happened, otherwise it wouldn’t have happened ? Some may feel that way but I’ve never seen that stated even as an opinion never mind a fact .... Carry on ..... the holdup on parmenter was medical documentation....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 6:36 pm EST

Im sure youll consume mine, didn't mean to consume yours. BusEy.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 6:20 pm EST

GG: everything here is group consumption. If you want private conversation take it to another platform. Sorry you don’t like that. Apology accepted.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:57 pm EST

TDCHI - The only part of that crapola, including puttin words in my mouth, that I agree with----and it's the only part that matters...not your worthless opinion or mine--- is that it will be a trade the Rangers will regret..

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:56 pm EST

No need for insults E, didn't realize that was you. Apologies. But you're someone I'd rather no converse with.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:50 pm EST

Oh GG how reading with comprehension eludes you. I was not comparing him to Graves the player. Graves is a solid player in his own right. Productive, capable. On a line with Messier he becomes something more. It’s that whole superstar elevating other players thing. JT is enjoying wild production that he never saw here because in his own right he is a solid goal scoring talent. With Stamkos and Kucherov as linemates he is something more. But either thru comprehension issue or willful misrepresentation of my remarks? Well, either way it says a lot.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:42 pm EST

ANDREI: I don’t know enough about Nemo’s personality to know what he brings off the ice. So far, what he brings on the I e has been underwhelming to be generous. And is there really that big of a Russian wave coming? You’ve got a few players. But you’ve got some Swedes, and Czechs coming as well. Of course and the various N American junior graduates and NCAA players. So, I’m not certain other then another cultural face that Nemo brings. But I’ve just not been a fan of what Nemo is bringing so far. Cheeto and the Shark? Now those guys are hockey players. Hopefully, the draft turns out to be a red letter day in NYR history.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:33 pm EST

TD I know you're not talking to me but you & I also went over this a bunch of times. It's two separate things. Was JT the ace in the hole to get Yzerman to bite on McD? Yes, I believe that pretty strongly and am the one who mentioned it to you. They had to get a fat return on McD. But this JT acting up part? 2-3x's I mentioned Gorton went on ESPN radio, I'm sure you can still find the interview. He said flat out, we had to decide who we want long term & made the deal! Still can't believe he was so blunt, or that they leaked this JT off-ice stuff to Brooks so he could rip him next day, but I'm sure you can still find that too. The additional stuff that's out there just affirms it, but for me again, he's one of the very last guys I'd have dealt. I wish there was a way they could have cooled J.T. out & made it work, but they obviously felt strongly it couldn't, and they've known the kid since like 2010. So we'll see what comes of it. They did get a shit ton (if they get the conditional & get value from Namestikov), but it's nothing that excites me dealing a 25yr old OF. And whoever I saw compare IT to Graves, that's nuts. Very different players and JT miles better puck skills.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:03 pm EST

Hospo - So what are you saying? This cockamamie BS that MILLER being an asshole got him traded? Dude. Simple. Yzerman was riding the fence. Miller got him to jump. Simple as that. There are a million and one reasons the Rangers thought they could move him. I don't agree with any of them and I think this will be a deal that we will regret in a few years.

tdchi


Sun Apr 1 2018 4:49 pm EST

And Rangerdoosh, I see a few almost hockey posts! Lol. Alright! Your career stats = 4. Keep it up. I believe in you & Happy Easter!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 4:46 pm EST

TD: players go where the money is but I think Kane has finally found himself in a good situation in San Jose. Mature team with lots of leadership. A team used to being successful and competitive. And his style of play flourishes there. For sure SJ wants to lock him up and you get the feeling that it’s mutual.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 4:28 pm EST

It does take extra effort to play with sunblisters on the back of your neck (from the red light). But Hank's in luck, the Swedish snow will feel great on it!

Gorton Gekko


Sun Apr 1 2018 3:23 pm EST

Andrei well put dude armchair gms, part of being a super fan!

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 3:01 pm EST

Why everyone think GM’s are dumb and that you could have gotten more in a trade then, say Gordon got for McD? It’s insane to think that Gordon spoke to Stevie Y regrading the trade for the first time with 15 minutes before the trade deadline. Deals are discussed and negotiated month before the deadline. Everyone knows the price of available players as well as the team looking to trade certain player know who and what they will be getting back. It is always comes down if the return is acceptable or not. Whole league knew what Rangers were looking in return for Grabner. 2nd rounder and a B-rate prospect. Nash’s price was a bit higher. Devils jumped in and offered exactly what Rangers wanted. Deal is done. Stevie Y was asking for Miller for years now. To think that Gordon gave away a player that was not available just to make a bad deal is just not smart. Miller was available and there had to be a reason why a kid who could have being a team’s core at 25 was traded. I think that Rangers brass is a lot more knowledgeble that any of us. I trust Gordon. If he thought that Miller was part of the problem, then Miller had to go. Personally, I think it was a frustrating season for both sides. JT was given every chance to be a top player on the team. Last season AV literally stapled JT on the first line and still he was not getting better. Consistency is a big issue with him. Stupid plays every game that makes you wonder what is he thinking when he would try to pass trough the middle time and time again. He will be looking for a payday in the offseason and Rangers weren’t going to give it. Simple as that. I’m sure there were issues in the locker room as well. Sometimes you can leave with some shortcomings if player is great teammate. From what I read, JT is not. Vladi was brought in to help setup a waive of Russian players that are coming. He is a perfect fit to play with Buch, but maybe a glue player that makes a line click is not here yet. Buch, like some other kids is having a 2nd year slump. He will be better next year. Gordon has a clear plan and whether you like it or not, he is sticking with it.

Andrei


Sun Apr 1 2018 2:58 pm EST

Hospo yeah but he drives off posters and gets a free pass aint right

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 2:00 pm EST

Ranger Dude - C'mon man, I know you get your jollies mocking and baiting GG but enough already..for all of us..

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:57 pm EST

TDCHI - Obviously, I don't know it as a fact like you do or have the inside information that you do..but have read otherwise...still, as i said, it's a moot point..and the Rangers will regret both dealing MILLER and picking up Namestnikov..JMWO

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:47 pm EST

Tdchi. Blowfish sal has insidet info that says your wrong!!

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:08 pm EST

Hospo - They needed to get the deal done. MILLER got it done. If you want to say they didn't want to pay his forthcoming raise, I'll buy that...but him being an asshole lead to him being traded? Sorry. Don't buy that for one second.

tdchi


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:06 pm EST

The badmouthing LUNDQVIST gets here is, bar none, the most ridiculous thing I've ever witnessed on the Wall. I'm really trying to think of any other instance...The guy is third in the league with shots faced, having played three less games than the leader...he singlehandedly kept the Rangers in the mix for a cup this season and the two before it...extra effort? Hell yeah. He gives it every time he steps on the ice. I don't even see how this is up for debate.

tdchi


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:04 pm EST

TDCHI - I have ZERO info and unlike to many on here, I really dont know..but, I have read..that YZERMAN hadn't even thought about MILLER until the RANGERS, wanting him gone, offered Miller as part of the deal and wanting Namestniokov in return..Anyway, bridge under water...leaving the Rangers in desperate need of A player like Miller, actually two or three like him

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 1:00 pm EST

E - Right about BUCH and his issues..He has shown me two GOOD things as a Ranger.The "moxie" you mentioned and his use of skill in open ice on the PP...Other then flashes here and there, everything else has been disappointing..He gets knocked down by a sneeze, is weak as hell, and mostly invisible at ES...Yeah. maybe alot of these guys will do better under a new coach, but maybe they just are waht they are..If so. GORDO has his work cut out for him to change this team big time.if they ever want to compete...We will see..The only guys on the team I dont want to deal are KREIDER, ANDERSSON, CHYTL, SKJEI, FAST (for the 3rd line) and maybe HAYES..the rest...as Bill The Cat would say....PFFFTTTT!!!!

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:56 pm EST

re: JT MILLER - Sorry, but being an asshole doesn't get you traded. Him being a solid, versatile player who can take faceoffs, distribute the puck and play hard in the corners is what got him traded...Gorton knew if he waited on McDONAGH that he probably wasn't going to get as much...In short, KARLSSON'S saga with the Sens...the fact that they WILL eventually trade hime...and that they couldn't get him moved at the deadline likely spelled the fate of Miller. Just look at the timeline...2:45ish, the Sens announced they were done and that Karlsson wasn't moved...That gave Gorton 15 minutes to complete a deal. He had one structured out with Yzerman already...Miller got it done...had he waited, he would have needed to take whatever suitor didn't drop the mother load for Karlsson. Simple as that. He was an RFA and was probably looking at $5 million plus...Rangers weighed their options an he was icing on the cake.

tdchi


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:26 pm EST

Hank got that award almost by default. Couldnt figute out who to give it to so settled on the teams senior citizen

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:25 pm EST

re: Evander KANE - well, nobody every accused him of lacking talent. Certainly, he's a good player...and actually, his skill set is exactly what the Rangers need: A fast, skilled winger who doesn't mind the rough stuff and can throw down when challenged...I mentioned maybe getting him when the Rangers were still in contention. But what the Sharks gave up? Dan O'REGAN, a conditional first and a fourth? That's a lot for two months of Evander Kane...a shit-ton really. If they resign him and he doesn't cost that much...that's when the deal will turn in their favor...but realistically speaking, Kane is going to command $7 million-plus...and probably for five or six years. Is that worth it for a guy who is about to be 27 and has never breached 60 points? I don't think so...and if he leaves? That deal will be on par with the CLOWE deal.

tdchi


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:20 pm EST

Stevie: And just to run back to the McDonald award I saw Staal as the most likely candidate. He held a defense together that was just putrid. Took over the leadership role.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:18 pm EST

HOSPO: in the other direction I also think that it’s obvious that Namestnikov has stats padded in TB. He’s just been unimpressive to me. I know he’s a pure skill guy and he has good hands but he just doesn’t generate much if he’s not willing to battle for space and time. He can’t seem to extend the play. You can easily force him into an errant pass if you make him pay. Meanwhile, he could use a of Buch’s moxy. And he’s another player who had his fair share of issues

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:12 pm EST

I just was having an interesting debate about JT Miller and he kept pointing out how JT is finally being let loose to play his game. To this I claimed BS. He is a modern day Adam Graves. A guy who individually was a 25-30 goal guy. But on a line with Messier and the other high skill guys he enjoyed inflated stats. JT is enjoying the fruits of playing on a line with Kucherov and Stamkos. When you’re busy trying to fend off those two all game long having JT suddenly jumping into the fray is just impossible to stop. They are one of the best lines in the game right now. They open the door for everyone else to pour in.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:03 pm EST

paul on the wall.....https://www.nhl.com/rangers/video/av-speaks-after-win-over-carolina/t-277437422/c-59471203

stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:52 am EST

Nameoff might be good if and when a new head coach takes over. He’s part of the so-called Russian marketing plan...next up kovaltine....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:47 am EST

SCHNEIDW - Namstnikov has been mostly invisible as a Ranger, pretty much how he was half the time for TB the past year..But, he's a dynamic match for BUCH!!..GORDO the CLOWN was just throwing MILLER away becasue he didnt fit the Ranger choirboy character image..or the coach...Both of the latter need to be changed, but too late for MIller

Hospo


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:23 am EST

For those that care.... EVANDER KANE has 9 goals in 16 games... not bad for a 2nd round pick... SJS are a well run organization... I am still stinging from the Ryan Clowe trade

schneidw


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:21 am EST

Buyer Beware: BOS traded for NASH... 3 goals, -4 and out with a concussion... too bad.. nice guy but from the business perspective side of NHL, so glad the NYRs moved on...

schneidw


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:13 am EST

Happy Easter to everyone in Rangerland...

rangerlou


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:12 am EST

Namestnikov has 2 goals and 1 assist in his 13 games with the Rangers. In his last 13 games with the Lightning, the Russian posted only 2 goals and 3 assists,

schneidw


Sun Apr 1 2018 11:01 am EST

TRADE DEADLINE: So I am still trying to figure out WTF Gorton was thinking throwing a big bodied, aggressive, versatile USA born and NYR drafted jT Miller into the McdOnough trade... its bad enough he couldnt pry Cal Foote from Yzerman's greedy hands but I just don't get why he wanted to add another center Namestnikov to the NYR youth movement mix... JT Miller is exactly what teh NYRs need in strong and skilled players that came through the NYR system.... I dont understand the reasoning... plase help me!!

schneidw


Sun Apr 1 2018 10:09 am EST

Plenty of proctologists and blowing smoke up to create cancer of the rectum with a side of bs....the jitters story sounds about right including veenyo not liking the unprofessionalism .... except a real friend and coach would have tried getting through his brain fart thick skull...the kid has talent but like many hockey players they have head problems....maybe the change of teams will be an enlightened Epiphany ... or the same thing will happen in Tampa....then there will be no doubt to the veracity of the gist of the story....veenyo had problems with him from day 1.... he’s far from a dumb coach.... can’t wait for the behind the scenes Assvipe saga story ... maybe he’s doing a Keenan and looking for a new job already... fishboy needs to get rid of his neil smith insecurity.... and declare YOU’RE FIRED....!!!!....

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 10:05 am EST

Has Larry Brooks even looked at the NHL standings? Our last three games, we play the NJD, NYI and the Flyers. The Islanders are eliminated from the playoffs and the Devils and Flyers are in their playoff position by 5 and 6 points respectively. The only team that can catch them are the Florida Panthers and they can't even win two games in a row (5-4-1 in their last 10). The Panthers are not mathematically eliminated, but it would take something short of a miracle for them to make it. Florida has to play Nashville and Boston twice in their last 5, they're toast!

Rhet0ric


Sun Apr 1 2018 9:31 am EST

RF: I did bump into my inside source at Starbucks. I don’t think I should say something but she is AV’s counselor. She was willing to give me some inside information if I agreed to buy her an iced cinnamon and almondmilk macchiato. She told me, and I say this reluctantly that AV spent too much on a spoon set previously owned by French General Franois-Gaston de Lvis. He’s worried that if he’s fired he may have to mortgage his home. He’s very stressed right now. It’ll may be released on the internet but you’ve heard it here first. It’s very sad.

E


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:39 am EST

rf sauce is not source....

stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:39 am EST

John Rosasco ‏ @JRNYR 50m50 minutes ago Two goals and two assists for Sean Day last night, including the game tying goal with 20 secs remaining and an assist on the gwg in 3 OT. Day had 2-6-8 In the 5 game series as Kingston advances. #NYR #OHL

stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:38 am EST

stevie: AV is gone at the end of the season. My insider info is clearly indicating that. I think I have the same source as Bob! Very reliable...

rF4l


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:32 am EST

You know...even if the Rangers were losing more games, the teams behind them in the standings are losing as well...they needed other teams to be winning more to help them out and falling int he standings....that aint happening.

Wildcard


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:17 am EST

Stupid Rangers can't even tank properly!! Gonna be drafting 10th overall and probably slide down a pick or 2 when 2 teams below them win the lottery. Geeesh.

rF4l


Sun Apr 1 2018 8:07 am EST

Blowfish sal got your siights on E now. Keep it up, guess you will be gleeful when the only peraon on here is you. And me

Ranger Dude


Sun Apr 1 2018 6:08 am EST

Put these and many other articles together, and veenyo seems to become a dead man walking. Now he’s trying to change philosophies. He’s done enough damage will accomplishing a decent amount too. The real problem is how many players can this guy go through with basically the same results. Eventually the gm has to question if his coach is a part of the problem and if he knows the solution. I would think by now fishboy has heard enough of his reasons and excuses. It’s a broken record. They need fresh air....not ‘chatter ‘....he should have been fired when that chatter started this season. Instead this is another fine mess he’s gotten the nyr into. Ahkneel and him are another laurel and hardy like talkerella and sully were. ... order another clean slate ...

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:57 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/03/31/rangers-take-glance-back-to-honor-past-before-moving-forward/

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:56 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/03/31/rangers-can-take-solace-in-ending-others-playoff-dreams/

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 5:38 am EST

“At the beginning of the year, the chatter was on me, and now it’s on something else,” he said that day. “I think as coaches and players, you have to focus on the job you have in front of you.”....https://nypost.com/2018/04/01/rangers-gm-must-make-a-decision-soon-on-vigneault/

Stevielegs


Sun Apr 1 2018 12:10 am EST

BusEy is confused. Shocker. That isn't me talking, and you never read unpublished shit like that in your life lol. I'll tell ya what else I got. You on ignore. Have a good evening.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 11:43 pm EST

So wait... I’m confused. Before you said: “Word has been our JT was basicalky an ahole. I don't know I believe it. If I find some corroboration i might say more, but some things are delicate...” now you’ve evolved to “he’s one of my all time favorite teammates and I’ve know him for years...” and now you go on to outline how/why he can/is an asshole but you love him as a teammate. But you don’t know if you believe it... Okay... what else you got?

E


Sat Mar 31 2018 11:23 pm EST

How did the Bruins turn it around so fast? Look at their draft pick # in the last 5 years.......nothing even remotely close to top 5 pick....mostly in the teens.....I guess they had a good core and some solid youngsters coupled with leadership and solid coaching/game plan.......Maybe the Rangers can copy that blue print

tradestar28


Sat Mar 31 2018 11:06 pm EST

I went to tonights game here in Raleigh.....it was like taking an Ambien and snorting a Xanax at the same time....Honestly didnt see much of anything from anyone except maybe a few flashes from Hayes and also his shortie....As far as the deep psychological talk about JT Miller....I mean...honestly, who gives a shit? The amount of important goals he scored when he counting in the playoffs ....can we count on a 3 fingered frog? Probably not........The only problem I have is that the Rangers should have gotten something better than Vlad Namestowhatever for him....That fucker Yzerman always knows how to pull down Sathers thong and give it him the ramrod.....maybe if we saw a Point come back or that Serghechev........in the same deal....the Rangers shipped out there Captain for fucks sake ....that Pat Hejak dude better be McDonagh 2.0.....

tradestar28


Sat Mar 31 2018 10:13 pm EST

and... scene

shaggy


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:49 pm EST

I love the guy, I honestly do, he's one of my all time favorite teammates and I've known him for years. But he can just be an asshole (laughs) and he knows it and makes no excuses for it. And honestly there's nothing wrong with it. He's that kid who says all the right things when the teacher is around and then two minutes later he's trying to stick a bottle rocket in your ass crack and light it on fire, I mean not that really but you know the type. And you know, when times are good, when the team is winning that shit is mostly fine. But when times are tough, when the team is losing and everyone is in the pisser, it's a hard time and JT has no off switch. But still, the problem is and has always been, JT is too headstrong. He doesn't have a level of professionalism that plays well in certain circumstances. I won't go into the particulars of what went on with the coach because that's none of anyone's shit. But it was all around a bad time for everyone. JT doesn't know how to be, you know, politically correct. There are times you have to suck it up and be the good citizen, there are times when you gotta just, and I am being careful here, you gotta just deal, okay, you gotta just deal and wait for things to play out. You can't be rocking the boat even, and especially, if it's taking water. JT is a good kid at heart, he is, but when he's not happy no one around him is happy either. He, and I can totally, well, this is where it gets dicey, might be the guy who starts a revolt. But you know, so what, right? The thing is, you want a revolt, you want it when you need it, but you might not want the guy who starts it. Does that make sense? Okay you get it, and that's basically it. You want that guy, unless, and this is where this comes into play here, unless you don't need a revolt because the powers above you have already decided things are going to change. That's the big thing, the big glitch in the matrix. You don't want the guy who doesn't see there's no need for it because he doesn't see it's coming. That's a guy who is too smart for his own good. You want to have the guys who want the revolt but also have the faith to know it is not necessary because the change that is needed is already coming. And that is where, that kinds of disconnect comes. You know the other guys, are like 'shut it up' and you want him to just, but it drags guys down and that is what you can't have because as much as you like him you don't want to see him sort of bury himself. But you know, those guys can and do pretty often tick off the wrong people. And you hate it, you hate it. But you understand it.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:47 pm EST

Does Henke think that playing well in these meaningless friggin games, in the process ruining the clubs chances of building something special is the best way to help. F you Henke. Play this way when it matters u metrosexual asshole. Yeah I’m glad this makes it all better for you. Grow a fucking frontal lobe!!! Delayed gratification; even a starving mouse can learn the god damned concept but no not you. Have fun watching the World Cup from home in the summer while ur at it dumbfuggg,

_Arc


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:44 pm EST

Big mistake by hurry kanes calling a timeout.... Great faceoff job by nobody on the nyr

Stevielegs


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:42 pm EST

Club

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:41 pm EST

Stranger...That is his 70s Studio 54 outfits he wore to the lub

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:32 pm EST

Has to return...

NYStranger


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:31 pm EST

I wonder if Ron Duguay has to his costumes to the magic shoppe in the off-season?

NYStranger


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:28 pm EST

Has anyone even watched the mSg Hockey Show to know it blows? Ha

NYStranger


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:26 pm EST

So how did they promote tonights game? 'The Battle for the Basement'!!

NYStranger


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:25 pm EST

Rangerlou. That rat owner moved the team out of Hartford even though they raised the required number of season tickets or what ever the deal was. I hope that franchise collapses totally. Yeah I know. Someone else owns them now...so what?

NYStranger


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:06 pm EST

I'm sorry..GILMOUR is a sieve defensively.

Hospo


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:05 pm EST

Damn, really like the way KREIDER has been playing since his return..That's the Kid K the team needs all the time

Hospo


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:50 pm EST

Bill Pido looks like Leonard Hostedner from Big Bang Theory

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:33 pm EST

How does the Hurricane franchise survive??? There will be more guests at my home for Easter Sunday than there is in that arena

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:28 pm EST

GOOAAALLL Purple Hayes with a shorty

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:26 pm EST

ARC - Yeah instead of telling an opposing player to fuck off, all the Rangers and Cane players say Is"Sorry".."Excuse Me" .."Nice Play" ..And "Please DOnt Hit me"!!!...........FAST and HAYES do work well together on the PK!!!

Hospo


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:21 pm EST

Hospo- u said it brother. I have no idea how/ why ANYBODY would pay to watch this it’s like they’re trying not to run into each other. Btw, I was watching a SEL game a few days ago and wow it was loud and the fans were singing and it was a party the whole damned game!!! Would tell ours was the promise league in the world judging by that. Even the garden is a snooze fest most of the time save for the occasional ‘let’s go rangers’ but damned if we couldn’t make up some jingles here and there (promotion / relegation would also do wonders but I’d settle for a jingle)

_Arc


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:19 pm EST

Rhet...Thats what I'm here for you my Friend.

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:11 pm EST

Lou ... Really? II had not heard that before.

Rhet0ric


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:10 pm EST

BUCH and SPooner on the same line?.A; you need is Namestnikov and you have thev Invisible Trio at ES

Hospo


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:08 pm EST

RHET - Twp pf the least physca teams in the NHL..Speed perimiter teams that rely on stick check, stick stereering and stick detail...The NHL is so much fun

Hospo


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:08 pm EST

Rhet .. Did you know that The MSG HOCKEY SHOW REALLY BLOWS JUST SAYING

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:06 pm EST

GOOAAALLL Brian Sproul

rangerlou


Sat Mar 31 2018 7:03 pm EST

This game is less exciting than watching paint dry.

Rhet0ric


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:44 pm EST

Bob... Your scoop brings new depth to "inside" information.

Rhet0ric


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:43 pm EST

I'm going to share this again even though it's five months old. It lists potential coaching candidates to replace AV. Like i've said before, I prefer a young up and coming coach for this team. My preference would be Keefe over Nelson. Though either would work good for us.... https://www.tsn.ca/13-potential-nhl-head-coaching-candidates-1.901777

Rhet0ric


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:30 pm EST

I have some inside information I would like to share. AV went to have a checkup and he failed the “turn your head and cough” portion of his physical. Don’t tell anyone where you heard this. I have to protect my inside sources.

Bob


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:27 pm EST

A ‘Potvin Sucks’ chant in Carolina!!! Go figure!!!

_Arc


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:12 pm EST

Dunno Ola, I might be accused of trying to impress you, or give you the plague lol, as opposed to, you know, simply answering a question. Think that's one but man, we could use a guy that can develop some D.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 5:35 pm EST

T Nels*n?

Ola


Sat Mar 31 2018 5:14 pm EST

This from a guy I wasn't even talkin to. Nice. pes·ti·lence ?pest?l?ns/ nounarchaic a fatal epidemic disease, especially bubonic plague.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 4:58 pm EST

What's your girl in SJ say? Lol. I've seen nothing. NOTHING. And you neednt read mine at all. Go SURFIN instead, you post like you fell off a motorcycle and skidded on your head. Cause I told you last week I didn't want to talk to you cause you're a unnecesarily rude space cadet. And I'm not the one cursing you. So there. BusEy.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 4:53 pm EST

BusEy!

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 4:44 pm EST

GECKO: Seriously, STFU with your attempted quips already. You are a pestilence. You swipe at every person here. No one needs a virtual sociopath. I think my point was entirely too sophisticated for you to get your head wrapped around. Yet, you want to declare yourself right with common knowledge as if we all live in a bunker. Let me just call you out for it. You have no insider information. You want to impress people as an insider. I get that you need that. But you don't have to impress anybody. But needing to inflate yourself off of our forum is irritating. No one says that you don't belong. You just need to be a regular old person with opinions. I have been at this game with RFC since the 90's. We've seen an endless stream of your kind come and go. And in many cases just new iterations and inventions of yourself. So, give us all a break. You are vindicated with your inside information. You are the prettiest girl on the stage. If thats what you needed you got it. So, lets not spend days on end watching you create unfounded claims, be called out on it and watch you take defensive swipes at people. And use revisionist history to justify what you've stated in 2011. Its an exhausting venture. Query curse words on the wall. They're almost all by you. Its not that there is a purity read here. Its that its trite and useless fodder. Pretend to be a guy who is just someone who likes hockey and more specifically the NYR. Thanks for your insight.

E


Sat Mar 31 2018 3:11 pm EST

And I'll tell ya what else is funny, I saw a bunch of people like BusEy talking about it the other day but didnt comment. This stuff isn't national security lol. Quite the contrary, things that are secretive now will come out in the most public way, in front of 100 cameras & microphones. It's a matter of timing, and I can't help people are jealous lol. It's silly. I've never taken it too serious because of that. It'll come out. I roundabout hinted to RF on a bench boss candidate, I just wanted him to know. I was kidding he should thank me, and I'm glad he didn't post the name. I got another btw, but some of this was made public, the tsn dudes I think, possible young coaches on the move. So what? Whoever he is, they'll parade him up there when the time comes for all to see.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 2:51 pm EST

Stevie, sounds like before the announcement. Like it had already been decided but maybe not knowing, JT went off anyway kinda thing, and it didn't play well. I received a pretty long explanation from someone who knows him a long time & loves JT but said he maybe went overboard or it was inappropriate, wtc. Thing is, if he snapped about the coach & goalie, aInd or getting jerked around totally agree with him! And he had enough seniority to speak his piece imwo. Wish they couldve talked him down somehow, he was that valuable to us imwo. And no, that message won't be making its way here anytime soon - because it'd be the last such one I got. So I don't care what the non-contributing rfc vermin say. I just gave the gist of it.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 2:32 pm EST

Gggg maybe jitters acted up after fishboy fillet made his rebababa announcement? And probably assvipe didn’t get along with him.hence never really put him at center. His brain farts hurt too. It unfortunately sometimes happens especially when your name is not quickie.

Stevielegs


Sat Mar 31 2018 2:26 pm EST

Rf4l - I said before, that western ca 3 game win streak after the deadline will probably cost them a bit here. NYR would be at 7 now, with an outside shot at 4.

Limbo


Sat Mar 31 2018 12:31 pm EST

correction; Miller has 56 points total and TB has 4 games left, so he might hit 60 points. He'll hit 70 next year.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 12:18 pm EST

Miller already has 9 goals with the Lightning (16 pts in 15 games) and will probably hit 70 points for the season. What's done cannot be undone - but I dont have to like it.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 11:22 am EST

Pionk has a long way to go but I believe he can get there....Vladdy is another one I wouldn't mind moving...What does he really contribute?....

PJ


Sat Mar 31 2018 11:19 am EST

Misery watching the game last night...This Spooner clown can't be back next year...He is awful and should have been benched last night....O'Gara,Sproul and Gilmour can't be in the mix at all next year ....It was a disgrace watching the Bolts laughing at the end of the game...I hope all of them and that smug f'ing coach of theirs are ousted in round one....And Girardi and his family and his dog and whatever else can kiss my ass.....

PJ


Sat Mar 31 2018 10:12 am EST

RF4L: Yep, that is why they need to drop these last 4 in regulation. These games mean nothing. But if they can climb to the 7th pick it could be huge for this teams chances of turning this around quickly. Just hold your nose and keep a garbage pail handy to vomit in when necessary. Sit ZBAD, HAYES and KREIDER. Dress HOLLAND and CAREY. We need to evaluate them for next year.....

Vic


Sat Mar 31 2018 9:09 am EST

You can click the reset button then try again. It took me 11 attempts to get the Rangers to win again. Ugh, the Islanders moved up 3 times during my attempts, basically because they have 2 lottery picks thanks to Blowhard Burke.

rF4l


Sat Mar 31 2018 9:06 am EST

This site gives you the ability to simulate the lottery picks, based on current standings. http://www.tankathon.com/nhl. Ha, the first time I clicked on 'SIM LOTTERY' the Rangers won and the Islanders came second!

rF4l


Sat Mar 31 2018 9:03 am EST

Rangers 10th for draft position with 75 points; right behind them are 3 teams tied with 74. They could slip to 7th overall. Doing so basically doubles their chances of winning the lottery - from 3.5% to 6.5%. I didn't really think about it, but there are 3 draws - one for 3rd, one for 2nd and one for 1st. At 10th the chances are 3.5% and 11.4% respectively for landing the 1st overall pick or winning the 2nd or 3rd draw. At 7th the numbers increase to 6.5% and 20.4%.

rF4l


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:54 am EST

FWIW, I say it's 50/50 MZA is traded at the draft.

rF4l


Sat Mar 31 2018 8:08 am EST

Zuccarello wants to be bridge to next great Rangers teams.... https://nypost.com/2018/03/31/zuccarello-wants-to-be-bridge-to-next-great-rangers-teams/

Rhet0ric


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:46 am EST

Anyway, politely, Wilcard with his game crumbling - 3 goals in 10 minutes or less a record amount-its probably one of the more inaccurate things ever to appear in this Wall to say how Lundavist's still a top goalie, laughable if it weren't so seriously hurting the team. And you've got the nerve to say I can't assess players? Put down the baton & pick up a Kleenex, cause his moments here are w-a-ni-n-g. Ola you little twat haha.

Gorton Gekko


Sat Mar 31 2018 6:03 am EST

Nyr 21-16-4 in home ice 12-20-5 on the road 33-36-9 .... you are what your record says you are.... roadkill....and chacha at home....

Stevielegs


Sat Mar 31 2018 5:59 am EST

Guess I was eating after the National anthem and missed it . Just watched the tape . And heard dumb and dumber’s comments. Please fire or retire them with the coaches ( the 3 stooges plus 1 ) and the president genius. Leave fishboy fillet in the frying pan for now.....

Stevielegs


Sat Mar 31 2018 5:39 am EST

So was there any tribute to captain mcdoodie parmenter et al ex nyr at the garden? They were doing bs on tv but those 2 have as much credibility as an air sandwich. They really need to stfu instead of being Abbott and Costello. ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tRs37ugCxyM

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:45 pm EST

Might as well toss this one out there, don't know if many realized it at the time. But mentioned Torts firing today, one of those final playoff games that year, may have been Boston, but Gretzky was sitting about 5 rows behind the Rangers bench lol, looking very much like the next coach. Problem was Messier who was in the front office at the time wanted it too. For Sather, those guys are like his sons. So he gave it to neither lol,band that's how you got AV. But that part of it may not be over.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:32 pm EST

Interesting aside to Gretz last year, I can still remember seeing Brett Hulls bio on the official Ranger site roster hours before free agency opened. That's who Gretzky wanted to play with his final year, and obviously it was that close. One of my all time favorites, something happened last minute and it fell they. Gretzky took that as the last straw. That's when Neil Smith was in his battle with Muckler & ownership & decided not to do a single frickin thing until he was thankfully fired. And I loved the guy, but that was wrong about 6 different ways.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:29 pm EST

GG _ SUNDSTROM wasnt a bad player...just, like FAST, misused...Now, Being saddled with Bill Berg and MIke Kean..or even STifficus, that's why he retired!!!

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:26 pm EST

Gretzky didn't want to retire. He was utterly disgusted with management letting him get the shot kicked out of him, playing with LOSERS like Sundtrom & Berg. He had 62 points his final year & didn't want to go to get another team.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:05 pm EST

Boom!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:04 pm EST

Fishboy please put Assvipe out of his misery there are no more home games

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:02 pm EST

Part of the reason why I read this board is because of Stevie’s nicknames

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:02 pm EST

I meant by the media..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:01 pm EST

STEVIE first time I have heard that expression! :)...I'm shocked that there has been no comntemplation or opinions on who the Next Ranger coach might be..Or perhaps, being closer to Gordon and Ranger managgment, they know AV is coming back...Lord help us if he is

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:01 pm EST

STEVIE first time I have heard that expression! :)...I'm shocked that there has been no comntemplation or opinions on who the Next Ranger coach might be..Or perhaps, being closer to Gordon and Ranger managgment, they know AV is coming back...Lord help us if he is

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:59 pm EST

Please fire AV!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:58 pm EST

Tampa coach rubbing ex nyr into veenyo’s ass

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:58 pm EST

lol!!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:57 pm EST

WILD... Yeah, there are so many different directions/permutations they can do. It's both exciting and frightening at the same time.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:56 pm EST

Namaste!

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:54 pm EST

WHY, WHY, WHY did we pull the goalie so damn early?

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:53 pm EST

WILD - Yep. Pionk has improved with more reponsibilities and experience..but I dont see him as good as many on here, and especially the Rangers announcer, see him..Needs alot of work defensivey..but has alot of promise ..He is the best of the bunch

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:52 pm EST

They could also get a top 3 pick in the draft....yeah they have a 3.5% chance of winning....but if a team ahead of them wins the 1st overall, their percentage goes up for a chance at the 2nd, and than again for the 3rd overall...its a slim chance, but still a chance, that would change everything, a top 3 pick would allow them to move a player that is right now considered a building block, but with a top 3 pick, you end up heavy at some position or another and can move a young player to bolster another position.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:50 pm EST

NYSTRANGER - I want no part of that scenario..I dont want the Rangers to turn into another Oilers, Islanders or many of the other rebuilding fialures (I know SOME have been succeful)...I just dont see how it wont take along time if they tuly "rebuild"...we'll see this summer ..until then late next year is best not contemplated

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:50 pm EST

Hospo: You are notoriously hard on young players. Pionk is playing the most minutes on D some of these games, and he is a pure rookie....of course he isn't great defensively. HOWEVER he has improved and makes a lot of good plays in his own zone, I think he would be fine as a 3rd pair D who doesnt see the top player in the NHL every shift like he has done a lot since he recall. Staal is still a top 6 D in the NHL, and I think is proving that...yeah on the decline, but not terrible. Shattenkirk is not good defensively...but he is like jsut about every other offensive Dman in that regard, so its not unexpected, and he is also not given credit for what he does do well away from the puck, but he is again, still a top 4 D in the NHL on most teams. But yeah, they need another D added to the top 4....I think it comes after this season or at the deadline, not before the season unless its a trade, and who knows, maybe they take a prospect or two and one of the 1st round picks and go get a top defensive D man who is still young to help out at the draft, wouldn't be a shock unless its an older guy. But to say they need 3? I dont think so...again Pionk will be a good 3rd pair guy, so really 2 D for the top 6 IMHO...well actually the top 4...not an easy task for sure....but a 3rd pair of Pionk/Staal would be good. Skjei and Shattenkirk as half the top 4...again not an easy task...but not impossible either.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:48 pm EST

o’hara couldn’t have been better than graves? He’s just so brutal

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:46 pm EST

Also depends on how determined Gorton is at getting a lottery pick talent. If the Rangers don't get to draft top three this year and have a bad first half next season, does he steer the team to a bottom 3 finish next season? Just food for thought. Doubt it, and don't want to see it play out that way.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:43 pm EST

Rhet: No, of course not, but the trend of rumors and moves made already kind of set the tone and gives some idea of whats going on. I think however the roster will look a lot like this next season, the D will have the Shattenkirk back and probably a vet added, so it will look different than right now....but up front, there will be less change over I think. The 4th line will look different I think, but the main group of forwards will likely look the same. I dont think Zucc gets traded at the draft, even though I think it would be a good move since they are rebuilding anyway, but I think at the deadline he gets moved, so to start, I think this is the team that we will see in large part. And I think that the guys who look good next season will be around after that and they will add players to make the team more solid and they make the playoffs the season after.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:42 pm EST

WILD - OTOH, with an additon of 1 or 2, I think the forwards, especially with ANdersson and CHytl, and a trade of one or teo of the invisible men..could be interesting

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:40 pm EST

WILD - Just dont agree unless majort talent is brought in over the summer..And I'm not talking guys like Howden Hajek, Lindgren for next year....I totally disgree on the defense,,,I think it's a disaster and needs AT LEAST three in thet top six...There's SKEJI and really, thats about it..Captn KIrk is horrific defensively, Stall on the decline,, and the rest, best of whom is a still weak defsively Pionk, very, very questionable..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:40 pm EST

Wild, I agree with that assessment. Depends on what direction they go with free agency.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:39 pm EST

Hospo: Add to that Chytil is also a bigger kid (6'1"-6'2" 200 or so pounds)...and just 18, he will likely put on a few pounds of muscle as he gets into his 20s, got to figure he will end up playing at about 205-210, and thats a solid player when you have that much skill to go with it. Most of the Rangers skill guys are not that heavy, and heavy makes it harder to control.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:37 pm EST

WILD... What do you base that off of? You have no idea who will still be here or which direction we'll go in the offseason.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:37 pm EST

Rhet, speaks volumes on how bad the Rangers organization was in those days. I guess he could have gone to another team? Don't remember if he still had years left on a contract or if it was up.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:35 pm EST

By the way. I wasn't puttinh ANdersson down, I just havent seen him..But as NYSTRANGEER asys, maybe he's just watcing and learning from "vets" like Buch, Namestnikov, Zucc and others..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:35 pm EST

HOSPO: Honestly..I dont think playoff wins are 2-3 years away. I think next year they miss and have a true rebuild type year, and the year after I think they make the playoffs. I say that because these two kids look good, there are a couple young D that look good (Skjei is one of those and Pionk). people get all up in arms about Shattenkirk, but they Rangers had a winning record with him and a losing one without...not totally a surprise, he does help with possession, so I think the D might be a bit improved over right now and we dont know about Smith figuring it out, or a UFA signing or another trade or the other young guys up and coming. But overall I think that the core of the team with the young kids who look like they may be really good (I mean Chytil is just 18 and looks like a player already) and the Rangers have a lot of assets now, and they can package some of those to get something to really help after they see where they are strong and what they need. Not that they will be a cup contender the year after next, but I think its not so far fetched to think they can get back to the post season...I mean hell, even with a terrible season they were right in striking distance of the post season the year, imagine if they didnt have the injuries they did, likely there would have been no sell off and AV would be solidified for another season, and they would be in a playoff position right now.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:35 pm EST

Just to keep it in perspective, Chytle and Brady Tkachuk are almost the same age! (Another reason I’m not so high on him as others)

_Arc


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:34 pm EST

Speaking of Gretzky, how the heck do you retire just 6 goals away from 900 lifetime? That would make me crazy for the rest of my days. Not to mention only being 37 points away from 2,000 career points.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:34 pm EST

E how many games did hanky keep them in a game instead of it being 5-2 tonight ? There’s something wrong with the fans ? Really is that autobiographical?

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:33 pm EST

Andersson tried to hit Captain perimeter. No good in AV’s book!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:32 pm EST

Hospo this team is so full of disappearing acts, their nick name should be 'the Copperfields'. Hopefully AV disappears next.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:32 pm EST

Good for CHYTL bein in the right place..kid has offensive instincts to go with talent

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:31 pm EST

GO HEATER GO!

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:30 pm EST

RHET - Sorry, IKEA just doesnt do it for me...But, seriously, I havent seen Andersson this period

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:29 pm EST

It's name recognition. I doubt the majority who vote can name 3 or 4 players total. Some probably still think Gretzky is playing.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:29 pm EST

E - Why? You dont think The KIng plays his ass off and does everything he can to try and help the team win while often beung in a shooting gallery as we;; as prooting and being the face of the Rangers? I'm not defending his play, but his effort and Ranger loyalty/love cant be questioned

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:28 pm EST

Hospo.... Greg Norman does not play hockey.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:27 pm EST

E: Who do you think should have gotten it...I mean really...this is the first year that I can remember that really didnt have "that" guy....

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:26 pm EST

JT scores zero celebration. Not even a smile. Lundqvist winning the McDonald shows everything that’s wrong with the greater fan base.

E


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:25 pm EST

But admodst all th crap play by the kids and vets, there was a great rush by CHYTL...The kid has the offensive game..By the way, where is THE SHARK?

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:25 pm EST

Bring back The immortal rich pilon

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:24 pm EST

What happened? Did Hank put on Pavlic's jersey to start the thrird? ;-)

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:23 pm EST

Wow...Rangers disentegrating totally defensivelyy...but, gotta admit, this is the first time in a long time where there has been a collective quit job from this group....

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:22 pm EST

Happy I didn’t pay for tickets tonight.

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:21 pm EST

Leaving the goalie to dry

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:21 pm EST

Veenyo do you know why you have a timeout?

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:20 pm EST

Holy crap I stepped away for a minute and all hell breaks loose?

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:20 pm EST

Ok. Time to throw out sandy McCarthy. Start shit up!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:19 pm EST

So even stamkos says after watching video Butchie did NOT. Cheap shot his teammate .

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:19 pm EST

Spooner with the great all out effort to back check!!!

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:18 pm EST

SCREW JT MILLER...Namesnikov is a beast...An invisible beast..but still a beast..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:17 pm EST

why is nobody near JT MILLER???? Great D Staal and Pionk??

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:17 pm EST

IN AV’s face!!!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:16 pm EST

Your boy JT

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:14 pm EST

Jnyr name calling is not respectful.

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:12 pm EST

Well we HAD a bunch of good vet players and I Found this team basically unwatchable the past 2 or 3 seasons, save the Montreal series. And yes, the effort has been a lot better since the trades.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:12 pm EST

Jnyr

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:09 pm EST

WILD - No arguement .I said the other day that the last 5-10 games has been the only time in the last two years where an AV coached team showed all-game consistent effort every game..It's a good thing..but it means little to me..I want wins and the POs..maybe in 2-3 years

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:09 pm EST

Ny I'd like to take that seriously. I think everyone should be treated with dignity. Dunno... borderline cause he ingets I'm stupid & silly & LOL LOL isn't nice. But fine, I apologize. Where's your outrage when the creatons come out from the cellar?

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:09 pm EST

Wild do you maybe think they traded away a couple of 'leaders' who were dragging the team down? Nah...

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:08 pm EST

BTW, who is in first place in the RFC fantasy hockey league?

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:08 pm EST

Hospo maybe someone trips and slides into him or something?

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:07 pm EST

Oh, yeah. But him being out may be a plus for Tampa! If they win next year counts as well.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:06 pm EST

NYstranger - Yeah, we need one of our six basty D-men to step up and knock MCD or somebody into Timbuktu..One can dream,..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:06 pm EST

Hospo: In their defense...the effort has been good more often than not (and really almost every game) since the deadline. Its one thing yo can at least point to that changed after they made all those trades. There were a lot of games with little effort early in the year, and definitely leading to the deadline as they waited for the trades to happen, but since then, they have played hard and its been nice to see. But that wont be enough to make the next season fun to watch, needs to be relevant and winning to really make it enjoyable. I hoe however they dont give u a bunch of good assets to get a few more wins. Next year will be rough, but if they do it right the year after they will be right back at it. Let some kids develop some and try to find out who will really help and what they really need long term, and then make moves at next years deadline and the offseason after that...anything trying to win it all next season will be wasted unless a few of these kids really end up being great in their first full seasons or some young D become allstars....that likely wont happen, so the cup isnt coming next year so again, lets hope they do it right to build a foundation for another 10 years or so of being into e conversation.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:05 pm EST

Don’t we want that extra first round pick??

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:04 pm EST

Who cares about the win? I want to see nasty. I am hoping someone knocks McDogDoo out for the playoffs.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:03 pm EST

ALso watching some of the Carolina-Washington game where Carolina is winning 2-1 and the aboouncers praising CAROLINA for not therowing a check in the 2nd period but using great "STICK STEERING" to keep the Caps off hte board..SOunds like something Smug DOuche Valiquette would use with his "STick Detail"..God, what the NHL has been reduced to...especially in the East

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:03 pm EST

Did you hear al call Connor, Steven? He did apologize though .

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:03 pm EST

The WWE-NHL

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:01 pm EST

Because the points matter for them and not for us. That's the NHL!

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:00 pm EST

Team might suck the next few seasons anyway. But yeah that would hurt. I am thinking trade. Might take another season though. I doubt Hank could stand a year of this...lol

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:59 pm EST

I know some of you guys are all jazzed about a rebuiilding but god do i hate watching my team play irrelvant and mostly boring games..and hearing Ranger announcers shoveling out propaganda and focusing on "effort"....Next year is gonna be so long unless there turly is an influx of NHL ready or esperienced talent

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:59 pm EST

How does kid k get an extra 2 than gourde?

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:57 pm EST

Take a look at what Hank's buyout would be and add that to the Girardi buy out for the next 3 years and that's alot of dead cap space for the next 3 seasons.

DOUBLEN


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:56 pm EST

Nice to see some snarl out there. Guess the team is ignoring ball-less AV.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:56 pm EST

Jesus! My sister! Lol!!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:56 pm EST

NYStranger: His overall stats were below his norm..... .004 save % worse than his career average (but .005 better than last year)...save percentage is about the only general stat that really tells the story of how a goalie plays...but there are numbers that go deeper. Hank sees the highest percentage chance first shot of any goalie this season, he also sees a higher percentage of high percentage shots than all but 2 goalies in the NHL this season. He has seen much harder shots snd more shots than he has in his career, so its not a shock that his numbers dropped a little....and less than 1 percent in save percentage is not that much when you are talking about 1900+ shots....his save % would be at his career average if he got 10 more saves across 60 games instead of them getting past him....and since there were so many more top end chances, if the D played a little better he likely would be there.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:55 pm EST

Amen! Nystranger!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:55 pm EST

$50 plus your sister and her best friend. Haha.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:55 pm EST

Gilmour another weakling..but at least he has some attitude and bite at times..too bad some of the biggerguys dont//ypu mow..like ZBAD and Hayes

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:54 pm EST

GG: I don't always agree with Wild.....but he is always respectful......he didn't deserve your barrage

jnyr


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:54 pm EST

I guess there are fans and then there are fans. I am the kind that wants to win. Period. I don't give a damn about fan boy, pom pom waving bullshit. I don't get teary eyed about favorite players. Face it we root for the sweater. I want the team to get better and I want a Cup or two or three.

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:51 pm EST

How much for that bridge???

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:49 pm EST

Thank you NY Stranger for the sanity dose.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:49 pm EST

Wild. Hank paying you some of that $8 million? LMAO. You sound like his agent. What metrics? His stats suck this year!

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:48 pm EST

NYStranger: No I think the fans voted for him...no one else really stood out at all. Hank more recently had the back to the back 50+ shots against wins, he has also been behind a team that forgot how to play D...I think really he had the most effort every game he played than any other guy...save maybe Fast who I think would also have been a good choice...but who else really had "extra effort" at many times this season for this team?

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:46 pm EST

Rhet: they did once right out of a commercial break...but just one run if it.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:46 pm EST

MAYBY after next season, or the season after they will think of buying him out...but taking on a 6 year cap hit for a guy with 3 years left is just stupid....especially when the guy is obviously by any metric still a top starter in the NHL. Today other wise just shows that you cant have any clue about goaltending evaluations at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:44 pm EST

I think they gave Hank the award as a thank you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out....I know, I know. The FANS pick the winner. And the Penquins legitimately won the Crosby sweepstakes. I also have a nice bridge to sell ya...

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:44 pm EST

WILD... They never showed a replay of it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:43 pm EST

GG: LMFAO....You think they are trading Hank...LOLOLOLOLOL...or buying him out you are absolutely silly to think that...first he doesnt want to be traded...so he wont be 100% sure that unless he changes his mind he will not be traded. Secondly...they will not buy him out...thats would be stupid...about as stupid as saying he isnt a good goalie....

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:41 pm EST

Namestnikov is about as useful as the MSG Hockey Show

Gibbo


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:40 pm EST

Wildcard cause you say something off the mark? MEANINGLESS. The Rangers are trading or buying his FINISHED ass out. So please, shut up.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:38 pm EST

GG...and there it is..more really off the mark player evaluations....and that guy in net had back to back games with 50+ shots that were wins...hardly a bad goalie....

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:37 pm EST

Rhet: He kind of skated right to the perfect spot to get in the way of the TBL player, and it looked like he was trying to set a pick....not a terribly obvious penalty IMHO, but it was enough to get called for sure...

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:35 pm EST

Did anyone get to see the alleged Pionk penalty?

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:26 pm EST

If Andrei Vasilevskiy doesn't get the job done this postseason, the Lightning could be in the market for a goalie. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:26 pm EST

Vesey is frequently just a lousy hockey player. Loses too many battles. I tried to be upbeat about him the other day but he repulses me. Get him the fuck outta here! and air-mail that Swedish SIEVE Diva back where he came from!

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:24 pm EST

Stevie: doesn’t matter if he’s off; he just elevated everyone else’s game by doing that; Force multiplier! Btw, Butch did stick his FOOT out (accidentally) after getting knocked off balance from the attempted hip check

_Arc


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:20 pm EST

If you lose sight on tv the ref can see it and not blow the whistle? Typical nhl inconsistency

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:19 pm EST

Goodnight Gracie. We woke up the bear.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:17 pm EST

Gggg kid k was not an extra effort award player until after his injury illness... I figured hanky zucchini or quickie... but I bet captain mcdoodie parmenter thought he deserved it...

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:17 pm EST

Hospo: Kampfer had a couple...I think Smith did as well, I know he has 3 majors not sure if they were all fights but may have been...Hockey fights shows 2...Kreider also with 2....

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:14 pm EST

Good job Butchie 17 minutes for their real captain... mission accomplished unplanned

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:13 pm EST

Wildcard, Yeah kreider was terrible the first half, while his blood supply was getting choked off by a fucking CLOT!. Jesus. Fans know better than me about the goaltending? LOL. OBVIOUSLY NOT! They can vote for THE MUMMY all they want, but that doesnt mean he played well. the stats say he didnt play well, and HORRIBLY in some circumstances. Know who else doesnt think hes played well? THE NEW YORK RANGERS, who were ready to ship his ass outta here. Gimme a fuckin' break with the stupid pom-pom waving shit you just addressed to me. And Buch DID stick his leg out, NOT a cool play by anyone, I dont care what jerseys they're wearing.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:12 pm EST

OK...everyone on TV is saying Buch "Threw a knee out" Ummmm...How do you throw your knee out behind you? I have watched in a few timers now, he stuck his hip backwards....his leg went a little backwards...but literally you can not stick your knee out towards your backside....its not humanly possible..and they also said "Interfered with him" on NHL network...I find that funny as hell since he was the puck carrier...how can you interfere with the puck carrier?

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:12 pm EST

Butchie stuck his hip out not his knee

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:10 pm EST

Oh I captain standing up for his teammate.... certainly not the former captain mcdoodie parmenter ever ... bs pos...

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:04 pm EST

The KIng for the Mcdonald Award? Kinda what I thought would happen and asked earleur in the week..even if to tweek GG..:)

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:02 pm EST

OMG... Lightning Announcers... "We're gonna update you on the Stamkos situation, it's pretty severe"... Drama Queens.... He's getting a 10 minute Misconduct penalty for being the 3rd man in. Big Whoop!

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:01 pm EST

GG: Fans vote ont he award....and fans who have seemingly a much better idea of how to evaluate goaltending than you do seem to realize that Hank was very good this year behind zero D, and worked his butt off all year...sure Kreider worked hard to get back, but the first half of the season he was not playing all that great...I am a big Kreider fan, but I didnt even think of him for this award this year...not even for a second.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:00 pm EST

And isn't that BUCH's 2nd fight of the year? Doesn't he lead the Ragers in fights (not including Mcleod)?? I know fighting isnt everything but That eptiomizes the Rangers "snarl"

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:58 pm EST

Wow,,cheap shit by 98 pound weaking BUCH..but at least for once he got mad and did something after getting knocked on his ass..

Hospo


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:58 pm EST

And the NHL network guy is a moron. First of all, did Buch "Stick his leg out" I didnt see it that way but it was quick...also said Buch "wanted nothing to do with him" about the fight...not at all what that looked like...not even close....Buch clearly was absolutely OK with going at it there.

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:57 pm EST

Oh look a player standing up for a teammate getting a cheap shot. Too bad it would NEVER happen with the Rangers with fat bastard behind the bench!

_Arc


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:57 pm EST

Being a NYR, good for Buch! He needs the SNARL! ....OTOH, Stamkos went right after Buchnevich after the hit. Stamkos! That's a Captain! That's what we need.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:57 pm EST

Buch has a little nasty in him once he crosses that line....after the linesman was in there Buch kept giving little jabs there...its really not the way he plays, but man oh man, when he gets pissed off he kind of losses it...

Wildcard


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:46 pm EST

1 goal in 27 games wow

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:18 pm EST

Meh. They should have done one before the game, one after the first and one after the second. It felt very rushed, because it was.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:14 pm EST

That's nice. Use the McDonald award as a prop! How about Chris Kreider, who rushed back from a life-threatening condition & surgery to play for this sad sack franchise. WHAT A FUCKIN DISGRACE!

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:12 pm EST

Way to go hanky bleed blue

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:10 pm EST

Now they mentioned it. No T.V. graphic for him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:09 pm EST

On the Lightning coverage, they talked about G and MCD returning to the Garden for the first time and completely forgot about JT.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 5:13 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... “I had a great time here for 11 years. My blood, sweat and tears — I bled blue for 11 years ... It really means a lot to come back here tonight." ....Dan Girardi on his favorite moments with #NYR before he plays his first game @TheGarden with Tampa Bay.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:55 pm EST

They need to get rid of these useless interviews on the bench during the games. The on,y time I like them is when it is Torts and Pierre, as Pierre is terrified of Torts. Otherwise they are stupid and of no value whatsoever.

Bob


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:49 pm EST

TD...re Nash's return. A first and Lindgren is an excellent return. Yeah they'd surely gotten more after his 40 goal season but they were still cup hunting then. I concur this reboot started late but for me better late than never.

RF4l


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:47 pm EST

Rhet probably during the 1st period

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:33 pm EST

Stevie... It's Steven McDonald night tonight. I don't know how we do that and celebrate McDonagh, Girardi and Miller. It will be interesting to see how/if they pull it all off.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:24 pm EST

There are plenty of ways to look at the deadline deals. I agree: It sucks we didn't get a SERGACHEV or TOLVANEN or some bluechip prospect...but was I surprised? Not at all. We got some nice pieces(HAJEK and LINDGREN)...we got some sleepers(HOWDEN and RYKOV)...we got some futures. But we also lost a very nice piece(MILLER). And we took on some trash(BELESKEY). And the picks we got in the first round belong to two of the three best teams in the NHL right now, so will both probably be more like second rounders...But let's Monday-morning-quarterback this fucker for a minute...Let's ask this glaring question: Why the hell did we hang onto NASH at the draft last season? Or better yet, after his 40-goal season? Want to hear something funny? Rangers could have kept YANDLE. And probably HAGELIN as well. And they probably would have gotten AT LEAST into the first round of the 2015 draft...And while we're at it...if the plan was to deal STEPAN...then why not move McDONAGH at the draft too? Why not pull the ripcord after the absolutely disastrous finish in the playoffs? Tell you what: Players moved in the off-season 9-out-of-10 times garner a greater haul than those moved at the deadline. So I think if you want to get bent about what we got back...that's where you need to point your finger...The return isn't/wasn't the problem...it was how long they sat on the fence deciding when to reboot that was the issue...and in Gorton's defense, it wasn't an easy decision. It's hard if not impossible to blow up a team one year removed from the conference finals...I guess MY big beef is that they gave Nash way too much time to suck wind, when the writing was on the wall with that guy even when he was scoring goals.

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:24 pm EST

Captain mcdoodie parmenter returns. Will he cry or smile when they play a video? Usually looks constipated .

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:21 pm EST

iCloud one of fishboy’s real great finds in the dumpster diving contest . Are his gloves glued on ?

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:18 pm EST

No McLeod? WtF? There go thwir PO hipes!! Phh...wait a sec...

RF4l


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:17 pm EST

Wow veenyo figured out iCloud is useless amazing

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:08 pm EST

Per Bjurman ‏ @BjurmanPer .... Dan Girardi and Ryan McDonagh being crowded by excited Rangers fans outside Garden right now. Quite the scene - and they seem to enjoy it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 4:05 pm EST

Matt Calamia ‏ Verified account @MattCalamia .... #NYR lineup chart has Desharnais between Namestnikov and Buchnevich. No McLeod. everything else the same.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 3:25 pm EST

Forgot my most important point which is, and we had this discussion a bit, but I think they're looking for INGREDIENTS that build a winner, that pedigree shit is often inconclusive. Look how many jessibusts every year. So I think it's pretty smart considering the position they were in. As it stands I think except maybe 2-3 guys, the entire team now is former 1-3s.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 3:25 pm EST

ARC/E.... Putting aside the Miller trade, I think you'll be hard pressed to find a team that's gotten more than what the NYR's got for their player's at the trade deadline. Add to it the fact that Rick Nash has been on the decline for the past few season's as well as one hit away from his career being over and it makes the haul that much better. Hajek could possibly make the team next season and Lindgren may only be a year behind him. Rykov could also be a real sleeper. Maybe we all had too high of expectations with what the return could be, There were plenty of voices of reason out in the Twitter-verse saying that we never would get a Tolvinan or a Sergachev for our players. We probably should have listened more closely.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 3:06 pm EST

It depends on which deal, Arc. I agree it can seem like a whole lotta nothin', which is why I hated the notion of surrendering.few things to ease your worried mind. In at least one deal, word was Rangers asked not for the 1st rounder I wanted (Foote) but Hajak who they liked from his draft year. I think he was originally a 2nd but I'm no draft guru. They also took back the big center (Howsen?), I forget his name, hes a former 1st, and got a former no. 1 in Namestikov plus TBs no. 1 plus a conditional that could be a no. 1. Granted that includes Miller too. The other deals like Nash they took the high pick, I'm sure they couldve taken Donato who they were after hard but at less cost to Boston. And again, Lindgren is a guy they liked back to his draft year. I don't know they couldve gotten a no. 1 for Grabner from NJ. If it was available from anyone I'm sure they'd have taken it. So again it was a high pick & player they like in Rykov. So I agree it seems like quantity but they also want & need quantity, get a bunch of kids they like and see who improved. The difference in some of these 1st vs. 2nd rounders is a matter of spaces, though these are contendets picks & likely later. But contenders aren't giving up their veey best prospects for rentals if they can help it, that extra year from their draft is valuable. Last my, Gorton made it a point to say look at recent champs, their strength comes from drafts in 2nd & 3rd rounds. Not as sexy as a 1st but they're comfortable with it, and they're going to peak draft day instead. There's also a good bit of info on other deals that didn't come to fruition, but I'm sure BusEy (sry Ola) or RDud can tell everyone lol.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 3:02 pm EST

More trades are coming at the draft!

NV94


Fri Mar 30 2018 2:07 pm EST

ARC: I think in terms of market value that Gordo did fine. It remains to be seen what happens next with the picks. But as much as not getting a game breaker they did get players who radically increased the depth of the team. A much needed thing. After all, success is every bit as driven by a franchises depth as it is by the presence of superstars in the lineup. Now, if these guys that we got back like Lindgren, Hajek, Howden turn out you’re building a foundation. Yeah I wanted Sergachev l. But it was mused that TB wouldn’t even include him in a deal for Karlsson. The New York Rangers do need a game breaker. Especially on the blue line. But, nobody seems to move these guys in the league these days. You gotta draft them/ and they are in the first round. The New York Rangers are going into the draft with 3 one rounders to add to the 2 they had last season. Both of which are players with really good upside. So we’ll see. If I was grading Gordo it would be an incomplete. Maybe after the draft I’ll have a better criticism. But I’m really okay with the moves he’s made since last season. Before that? I could torch him on that stuff.

E


Fri Mar 30 2018 2:03 pm EST

Arc....sometimes quantity is better than nothing and those 3 pending UFAs would fetch nothing if they weren't moved.

RF4l


Fri Mar 30 2018 1:06 pm EST

Hello boys and girls. Been lurking because I was so pissed at the idiotic clusterfuck of the trade deadline; Correction, I’m still frogging pissed that Fishboy did exactly what he said he WOULDNT do (going for quantity over quality) AND basically short circuiting the most important end product of the whole excercise (getting into the top of the draft so we can get a god damned difference maker) by adding to the team as is (Spooner and Stinky). I’m actually surprised that NOBODY has taken Gorton to task on this; seems like the entire media aperitifs has baught into the PR spin from the garden (that the Rangers knew the true value of the players they acquired more than the teams that owned those players at the time!!!!). Ultimately, I wouldn’t say any of the teams brought back players that the other teams had in their top3 which is just pitiful. Ultimately, we got a whole lot of B level/ 2nd line/pair guys as well as acquiring draft capital which puts us in line to do more of the same. They’re probably going to have to package most of them to get into the top8 but generally speaking, you have to overspend quite a bit to get into the top of a draft and I doubt anyone in the top4 are gonna want to trade down. I think the prospects acquired in those trades should have been good enough where we would/ could have traded them even up for a top 5-10 pick but I just don’t see that here and it really pisses me off. In any case, it is what it is and we’ve got to make the best of it so I’ve been watching the mid 1st rd talent tape for a couple weeks now and I’ve got the two guys who I think the Rangers should target; Jasperi Kotkaniemi and Rasmus Kupari. Kotkaniemi is a big kid who could stand to improve his skating a little bit but has really nice hands and a quick heavy shot; reminds me a little of Voracek/ Kopitar. Kupari is a buzzsaw that needs to fill out a bit but again has lightning quick release and real good skater; ironically reminds me a little bit of Lias Anderson. I know a lot of you have floated Oliver Whalstrom but I’m not as high in him; his stats get padded by playing with a couple of kids who are supposed to go pretty high this year who usually put it in a platter for him (see Ryan Gropp). He has a nice accurate shot and is in the right place at the right time but just doesn’t stand out for my liking from a top10 pick. In any case as always mwo!

_Arc


Fri Mar 30 2018 12:00 pm EST

Many of the rumors are true but never happen . Gms sometimes play how about this for that .

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 11:50 am EST

Just gonna put this out there: If you work for...say...a professional hockey team...and you have private, privileged information...if you are, in fact, an insider...why on god's green earth would you risk that by leaking something...ANYTHING...to the press? You'd have to be clinically insane. It's not to say 'leaks' don't happen. Hell, I used to occasionally work around an AHL club and you could learn all kinds of rumors hanging around at practice. People talk, for sure. And hockey players...well...not all of them are too bright...So long and the short...when someone says they have 'insider' info...I take that as well-researched rumors. Doesn't mean they ain't true...doesn't mean the person divulging them doesn't believe them to be true...just I don't believe for one f'in second that someone with a nice paying job would risk it all by disclosing something the team didn't want out...that said...there are plenty of times teams drop shit in an effort to get their way or speed things up. It's all an orchestrated dance...a little sloppier than in politics...but usually when something gets out, it's because someone deliberately wants it out.

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 11:15 am EST

Rhet0ric - Man, if we could score that kid for a fifth or sixth rounder? CHA-CHING.

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 11:14 am EST

RF4L - Totally disagree. Kid doesn't want to play for Florida. Big deal. I don't blame him. I wouldn't either...I wouldn't give up OUR third rounder for him...but the B's third rounder? Hell yeah. I agree, he probably won't even go in the second round. Kids that re-enter the draft seldom go as high the second time around. I would bet he goes in the fourth...he'll get picked, for sure, if he's not signed...my one concern is that he was hoping to burn the first year off his entry level, which is why he wouldn't sign...but I suspect it's more because he either doesn't like the organization or the location...I would bet if the Rangers traded for him, they could sign him...and look at this kid's release...man...would be nice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMcaKRqmw8

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 10:57 am EST

STRANGER: increasing paranoia and protectionism is really just a byproduct of endless frivolous lawsuits. And let’s be honest, some of it was caused by the players themselves. They leave them open for this. And the envelope has gotten smaller. Once upon a time the worst kept secrets like Theo Fluery and his drug abuse were not openly discussed but well known. Nowadays? It’s hard for the media to find out if an upper body injury is a concussion or a broken rib. No one talks. Sometimes it gets out. But not if the team can help it. And perhaps this is good in some ways. Players personal lives should be protected. If they’re having a drug or drinking issue, no one outside the team probably should know. So, it’s an interesting discussion. As for me? I think the media access to the players is too great as it is. To sit there sticking a microphone in the face of a player who just had to take a 30-second shower after a game and sit there dripping wet answering questions seems bizarre. And nowadays, teams have internal operators who steer the questioning. And the players offer almost nothing of value. I’m sure the players would like it if the media just went away. I think just like a coach one lettered player should come out and take questions. And that’s how the lawyers would want it.

E


Fri Mar 30 2018 10:25 am EST

BTW, John Tortorella became the winningest coach in Columbus' history last night. What a comeback for him.... per the New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... AV said Pavelec will start tonight for #NYR.

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 10:05 am EST

TD.... if you read the article, it covered that. We would have to trade for him and then sign him before the draft. He should not cost a lot since Florida will lose him in the draft for nothing. Of course, we will have competition. This is exactly the type of guy that the NYR said they want to target ....BTW.... I also have beeb on Twitter since 2009 :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:42 am EST

TD: I wouldn't give up anything for him unless he agrees to a contract first. If not, he goes back into the draft. Where does that land him remains to be seen but likely no higher than the 2nd round so in the end, other than changing teams, he's back where he started.

rF4l


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:08 am EST

That emergency backup got in the game & played well. Said he was at his desk a few hours earlier & got the call. He's an accountant lol. There's a Hank joke in there somewhere but I can't find it.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:05 am EST

hoping for the panthers to pass the debbies for a spot in the playoffs.....bring grabner back .......

stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 9:03 am EST

tankable...... Catherine Silverman ‏ @catmsilverman 10h10 hours ago The Chicago Blackhawks went up against the fourth-place Winnipeg Jets tonight with a combined zero NHL games played among their goaltending tandem. Between undrafted Collin Delia and 36-year-old EBUG Scott Foster, they won. More from @InGoalMedia:

stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:59 am EST

Really? Twitter didn't seem big to me until more recent. But I really wouldn't know, don't use it.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:56 am EST

GG - not to split hairs, but I’ve been on Twitter since 2009...

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:54 am EST

Rhet0ric MASCHERIN would be a good add, but we won’t get a crack at him until after the draft, if I’m not mistaken. He’s still draft-eligible, according to this: https://www.tsn.ca/report-mascherin-won-t-sign-with-panthers-1.1034535. That said, I would send them either our fourth rounder or maybe the Bruins’ third rounder for his rights. He certainly sounds like a good prospect. If I’m not mistaken, he was coming off an injury that sidelined him for a bit and trended down his stats...but he sounds like much of what the Rangers could use, which is a feisty, skilled player. And he already owns a Rangers jersey...

tdchi


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:54 am EST

Tales from the cryptic

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 8:45 am EST

Gggg I hope fishboy fillet is trying to turn the ship from just speed to add a lot more blacknblue back in . He needs a coach that’s is the middle of talkerella and veenyo. Both are too extreme in their philosophy. Don’t want to call it a system since that’s debatable if it even exists. I think both give 25 orders some of which contradict each other. Both hate players who take most penalties , and love shaking their heads , and sometimes benching for it. I have to add a lot of adverbs to stop the hyperbole accusations.

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:46 am EST

GG that canidate drop was a little too cryptic. Maybe like a typo? Lol. Anyway not to get too political, hopefully, but this NDA crap has to be curbed by regulation. It has gotten to the point of paranoia. Striking the fear of litigation into the lowliest mail clerk. And most of this comes from companies doing shady shit, not protecting intellectual property or trade secrets. More like covering up dumping poison into rivers or CEOs molesting underagers. Plus it goes directly against the 1st Amendment. OK done, sorry...

NYStranger


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:42 am EST

Gary Busey, please don't mention his name. I once got into big trouble for emailing a picture of Gary Busey to the wrong person. I was discussing him with a friend over lunch who didn't know who he was. We were discussing crazy actors or something. So right after lunch I just googled a real weird picture of him that I intended to mail to my friend, Dennis, but I managed to mail it to a CEO of a big financial company in Asia, also named Dennis (from Australia), that I had been working with in a typical management/advisor role (i.e. I had requierd him to do stuff he thought was unnecessary and there had been some issues but that were solved eventually). His reply started with "You little twat, I assume I am some joke to you but..." with my boss on CC. And I had to go I am sorry it was not meant to be sent to you bla bla bla. ROFLMAO, hilarious in hindsight. But I still get chills when I see that name.

Ola


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:35 am EST

Stevie I didn't say it was the wrong move, it would be been nice. But personalities & philosophies get in the way, I'm not sure what you do once you've begun filtering players the coach doesn't want. It became a mess. If anybody bothered to notice many of the new imports don't carry the speed tag as much as in the past. That's a harbinger. Gorton wants edgier players, huge huge huge emphasis on character/leadership, many of these guys were captains previously.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:27 am EST

Gggg the gaborik trade was the wrong move because the nyr needed nash and gaborik as 1-2 punches. But talkerella tried to change gaborik into a defensive forward first. And insisted on putting both of them on the same line. Sather did what his coach wanted. He was clueless that his coach needed to go. He only fired him in a perfect storm after the disasters already occurred. Veenyo did the same thing to Nash . If both had ovie they would try the same stupidity. So many clamoring for an elite forward seem to forget how some coaches don’t like that type of player and insist they be a 2 way forward. Imagine mario hanging at the blue line on the nyr . He probably be benched.

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 7:18 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/03/30/ryan-mcdonagh-and-dan-girardi-coming-back-home-for-a-night/

stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:58 am EST

Stevie I remember when the Gaborik deal went, I didn't know who was coming back but many here refused to believe we'd trade Gaborik. I said he was going, he & Torts were oil & water (which Avery just confirmed in his book.) I also loved the trade, many here we're against it said Wtf? I think that proved to be a good deal for us. And I know I was one of only two people on the planet who said Torts would be fired. NO ONE believed it would happen at the time. So these things prove out, I could care less what non-contributing creatons think. Shit just the other day to be nice I gave RF a coaching candidate if he figured it out. I'm still waiting for my thank you.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:37 am EST

The gaborik trade was another leak before it happened.

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:15 am EST

Leo, you mean the time I called the Yandle trade? Lol! The whole damn Wall said it wasnt happening. There was no Twitter then, btw.

Gorton Gekko


Fri Mar 30 2018 6:02 am EST

Leaks occur everywhere and some are intentional. And big brother is listening at the water cooler.

Stevielegs


Fri Mar 30 2018 2:23 am EST

Maybe my memory is off but didn't the last Meltdown > Slipknot! > Wall Purge at least partly stem from nonsensical 'inside info' posts that were called out, debunked, and ultimately shown to be nothing more than unattributed re-tweets? Valuable info, indeed.

LeoS


Fri Mar 30 2018 2:11 am EST

Right on, NYS!, I throw up a little in my mouth every time is see anyone suggest the return of the Great Playoff No-Show.

LeoS


Fri Mar 30 2018 1:10 am EST

Rhet: If you’re on a team payroll? Yeah, you’re mighty careful these days. It’s insane. Everything is compartmentalized. Down to the equipment guy. Not say it doesn’t happen but it’s pretty risky to do it just because you can. Sports liability is a rapidly tightening outfit. They’re becoming like Apple. It’s pretty paranoid. It’s like I alluded to before. They don’t even hold a family Christmas party any longer. The team and the office do not fraternize at all. Ever. My friend even shredded her knee playing tennis and the team Ortho who was in the building wouldn’t even examine her. Gave her a referral. The players aren’t even allowed in the office. It’s totally firewalled off. So, yeah things leak. But it’s generally a very dubious claim when someone on the internet claims to have inside information but shouldn’t share it. As if some middle schooler got to feel up some girl for the first time but don’t want to give up the details. Probably means it was a late night session with the hand. Just human nature with some I suppose.

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:04 pm EST

Lol! People everywhere talk about everything Gary BusEy. No one can keep a damn secret for two seconds about anything. If you don't know that you know less about life than you do about sports. Funny aside, Steve Yzerman after the trade, which I but many others had roundabout beforehand with JT to Tb, but Yzerman said he just for the life of him couldn't understand how it got out. Lol. You can Google it. I don't want to talk to people with that kind of accusatory attitude. Surfs up!

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:00 pm EST

E... You really believe no ones ever leaked information with an NDA?

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:51 pm EST

i have inside information. She’s a sports attorney who has worked for the SJ Sharks, the Mariners, and now a consultant. And she told me what good inside information is. In so much as everyone and everything is 100% locked down with extremely potent NDA. And in the world of a professional sports franchise the people in the office aren’t even allowed to talk to the players. So, your inside information should best be left where you found it. Generally speaking, that’s usually just made up stuff. Whether given to you or by you.

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:26 pm EST

Well I already have shared in general RangerDude. You'll note my civil tone despite your continued attacks on me, on another day where you contribute less than zero. I already know all this shit, and don't need to spend my time fighting a damn autotype thingamajig except the real ranger brothers here appreciate it, I think. Consider this a final correspondence as you've shown me NO decency for no reason. Word has been our JT was basicalky an ahole. I don't know I believe it. If I find some corroboration i might say more, but some things are delicate, which you obviously wouldnt understand. Go back in your hole.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:14 pm EST

Is it kind of of odd that a sickness is being tweeted from their PR account instead of their regular one? A lot of healthy scratches this season and a mandatory leave of absence (his second), makes you wonder what's up with Dubi ....per the CBJ Public Relations ‏ Verified account @BlueJacketsPR ..... UPDATE: Brandon Dubinsky will not return to tonight’s game due to illness. #CBJ

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:09 pm EST

Hey blowfish sal. you have inside info but you cant share. lmao your so full of crap.

Ranger Dude


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:01 pm EST

And just speaking of young guys & development troubles, ahem, I got some dope on Miller lol. Fuck. It's nothing I'd share too directly, protect the innocent. But I'm still not sure who to believe or who was right or wrong.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 9:49 pm EST

Td I don't follow the Isles much, but I remember seeing Ho Sang weave through a defense (probably ours) and sayin oh boy, here he comes. He was owning the puck. And who as you call it or confidence can be everything to a player. I'm not gonna say it's a problem even if a guy is a little brash. I can't speak to his work ethic, I'm not there. The one thing I did catch somewhere was he doesn't share lol, and nobody likes a puckhog, especially when it doesn't go in. But hes a unique kid, his mom is a philosopher to the fortune 500 honchos or some shit,indy thinker. When I looked at that story I couldn't believe it, he was being railroaded imo, more than half the teams wouldn't even interview him despite big #s, they wouldn't let him even tryout for the junior canadien team. It seemed wrong man. I thought down on Flatbush ave is such a melting pot, a kid who's I think Chinese black & Jewish with that talent could have been a sensation. He overslept camp opening one year, they banished him to minors without camp & for the whole year, seemed kinda harsh. Garth Snow is a weird fuck, hes less than useless as GM and was the biggest most disgusting crybaby I ever saw on the ice, so I don't know what to believe. But if I could get my hands on him I'd throw JhS in Hartford and maybe tape his mouth shut for a year and see what happens.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 7:50 pm EST

GG - I think what you have with HO-SANG is a natural athlete who has a real good eye for the game, but who rode his is natural abilities to a supersized ego that convinced him he didn’t need to work or even try as hard as everyone else. And now the guys he was dusting as a teenager in the OHL have been busting their asses for four years...while he keeps riding that same natural ability. Certainly, the shithole that is the Isles’ organization could have contributed. But look at what BARZAL and BEAUVILLIER have done. Hell, even Brock NELSON and Anders LEE, neither of whom have an ounce of the raw skill Ho Sang has...but they have something he doesn’t, which is a good attitude and a willingness to work...ol’ hopper just points his finger every time he fails, and the closest I’ve ever seen him come to pointing at himself is when in the article I posted he suggested his game could improve. Even that sounds like a half-asses admission...

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 7:37 pm EST

E. I get your idea of systems vs. breakdowns, but when egregious defensive breakdowns occur that consistently then it has become a systemic problem, no? So is the soft perimeter hockey. So is the crappy power play. So is the utter lack of response whe pushed around. Call it system, call it mandate. Call it style. Call it whatever you like. I call it crap hockey.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 7:31 pm EST

I think we dodged a bullet or two trading those guys away at the deadline. So if Nash has yet another mystery concussion does anyone here still want him back next year? Just asinine. We finally got his waste of talent ass out of town and we still had Wallsters talking up his return days after his trade.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 7:22 pm EST

Just my gut, but I would not be surprised to see McDonagh have surgery after the season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:54 pm EST

Ryan McDonagh is not looking good at all in Tampa from what I have seen. Turned the puck over at his own blue line for the first Boston goal tonight. He looks nothing like the beast he was in his best days in NY.

Bob


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:51 pm EST

By the way The MSG HOCKEY SHOW REALLY BLOWS just saying

rangerlou


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:34 pm EST

Why the Rangers should go after Adam Mascherin .... The Panthers’ 38th overall pick in 2016 is refusing to sign in Florida, which means he is on the market..... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2018/3/29/17174046/new-york-rangers-should-go-after-adam-mascherin-florida-panthers-prospect-kitchener-ohl-shot-rumor

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:23 pm EST

Teams will Be cautious offering Rick Nash big bucks given his concussion history. Really too bad for the guy. Glad the Rangers got something for him before he got hurt again.

Bob


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:16 pm EST

So the rumors out of Boston are that NASH's "Upper Body Injury" is in fact another concussion. Speculation is that he won't be available for the start of the playoffs. I know many of us were on pins and needles going into the deadline hoping that NASH could stay healthy until they dealt him. It looks like the Rangers got lucky in that respect.

Vic


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:55 pm EST

STRANGER: lapses are not systems. I would agree that AV does not want to box in too much space that it stifles creativity. And, he’s new school in the sense that possession is 9/10 of the game today. I personally think the defense had some very good individuals but taken as a whole they weren’t very good. They consistently had a third pairing that sucked. They put too much of a value on Girardi. And they didn’t have any game breaker. Ironically, AV has tightened up and played the game much closer to the chest. So, he is making up for limitations in talent and tightened up the style of play. Look, I’m someone who thinks that it’s time to turn the page and send AV away. For one simple reason. He had his chances at bat and didn’t close the deal. And so like the cornerstones of the franchise that were traded away for not winning he too needs to move on. And that’s it for me. I think he is an extremely talented coach. Until recently his teams generally speaking took the ice ready to go. Every game. So, if you’re flushing, don’t do a courtesy flush. Clear it out. Bleach the bowl and put a clean ribbon on it. That’s my take. But with no disrespect, for the amount of good arguments for moving on that’s routinely obfuscated by hysterics and hyperbole. And for as much as I’ve agreed with some people about it, some of those very people talk about “the system” yet, can not describe it and furthermore put an emphasis as if there is some biblical playbook. As if hockey is football. Ultimately it is a loosely arrangement of coverage schemes and set plays. In between? Hockey is hockey. It’s played the same way it always is. As every team, all over the world plays it. The defense was loose not because of a system. The defense was loose because it just wasn’t that good as a whole. And they never adequately addressed it. As with everything about the New York Rangers in the last 10 years: outside of in nets they just weren’t great. They were deep but they didn’t have any game breakers. Not a single guy was a game breaker. You look at the New York Rangers defense reconstituted in TB with 2-game breaking talent joining them and they are formidable. But we never in what? The last 20-years had a game breaking defenseman on the blue line that becomes a foundational player. In a great world they’d be drafting Dahlin at this draft. Then you build a defense. As well, they haven’t had a game breaker in the forward lineup since Gaborik. And he was injured half of his career. Ugh... I’m done. Thanks for reading...

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:30 pm EST

You know your own team is irrelevant, when the main topic of conversation is Hop Sing...Where's Hoss when you need him?

Hospo


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:16 pm EST

Yeah Bob. That would not surprise me. This league rminds me way too much of the WWE these days.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:15 pm EST

The thing that drive me nuts with Ho Sang is that was our no. 1 traded for Cally that TB flipped to Isles. And I'd read all the controversial stuff from before the draft, and we always need and rarely get that true sniper. But that stuff in Canada was pretty racial imo. When your own GM says come see us we're like the globetrotters lol, that was bad. But that stat I saw earlier, 17 goals in 90 games or whatever,that's hard to believe. Maybe he's a legend in his own mind, maybe isles screwed up maybe both. Dunno.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:12 pm EST

E I don't think I have to go beyond the defensive lapses that left opponents wide open in front on Hank. Leading to the most (or close to most) grade A chances against the past few years. I don't have time to look up the stats, but they have been posted here, by LB and others in the media. This has been consistent through three associate coaches and more than a few defensemen. I can go on, but I am really tired of talking about it. Hopefully after we get through the next couple of games, he gets the shaft and the Rangers hire the right man for the job.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:11 pm EST

Bettiman loves the Islanders, and the Islanders are going to win the draft lottery and keep Tavares there. Just like Bettman’s un-natural brromance with Mario Lemieux

Bob


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:51 pm EST

tdchi 1 correction, for now....fishboy wanted jitters at center and veenyo didn't really put him there enough in preseason, and didn't leave him there during the season.....for whatever reasons....wonder if fishboy was happy with that story while watching e staal reborn....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:44 pm EST

I did love HoSangs talent. His mouth I'm not crazy about but didn't think what he said was awful. Isles are dysfunctional, he's got a right to speak - and he'll be the one looking bad if things don't work out.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:42 pm EST

No coach is gonna be happy when they disassemble the team halfway. And as it's played out where even Gorton said he'd have to go upstairs to remove Hank, I think they forced him on A/V. So it'll be interesting to see what else he says on his way out. Don't think he would say what he did today if he thought he was staying.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:41 pm EST

gg polis was it you pushing for ho sang who's name should be sum dum fuk ?....that has been why the draft is a crap-shoot. ....many a 1st round pick have head problems.....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:35 pm EST

re: AV-GORTON, I think something that gets lost a lot is that Vigneault was NOT a Gorton hire. It's not to say that Gorton likes or doesn't like AV...but let that fact roll around your brainpan for a bit...and then think about some of the moves Gorton has made since becoming GM...like, for instance, trading for Eric STAAL...Or trading STEPAN...He gets Staal, who most thought would end up on a line with Nash...and where does AV play him? He trades Stepan and the closest he comes to replacing him is making a failed attempt to sign KERFOOT(and no, I don't consider DESHARNAIS an attempt)...But let's go back a bit...Popular theory is that Gorton was at the helm long before Sather bid farewell...and that at bare minimum, he was responsible for the TALBOT and HAGELIN trades...well, what if he was also responsible for the YANDLE deal? Remember how AV used him? Anyway, I think there's some surface evidence that suggests the GM ain't on the same page as the coach...and that the GM as long as two years ago though there was cause for restructuring the team.

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:22 pm EST

Rhet0ric - My overriding concern, re: the Islanders is that with two lottery picks, they won't NEED to move up in the draft! But if there's a team stupid enough to take a chance on HO-SANG after his latest little fit and let the Isles into presumably the top 10, then they deserve what they get. Tell you what: He was picked at 28th overall largely because of his attitude...Outside of a couple of nice goals, I haven't seen what he's done in the Islanders' organization to warrant a return of a late first or even early second-round pick. Can't play D. Inconsistent offense. Not particularly physical. And a malcontent to boot. Back in January, he was quoted saying that he's "wasting away" his NHL years with Bridgeport. Man...if I were his coach, I would have him doing laps around the goddam arena every game with his bag of gear and a big "kick me" sign strapped to his back...if Ho-Sang buys you into the top five, then shit, we're got one hell of a trump card with a guy like HAYES.

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:20 pm EST

I agree that the talent did not match the system. The top violation of what is right and proper is AV teaming Ryan McDonagh with Nick Holden for most of the season. He should be fired for that if not for the other problems the club has had. Nick Holden a top pairing defenseman in AV’s eyes. I mean really......WTF was up with that?

Bob


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:13 pm EST

E - The problem is that for two years, AV, his system and the Rangers have failed..Of course, GORDO the clown played a huge role in it...But, on the ice, .Part of it was lack of motivation/leadership from the coach/inconsistent effort from the players--The last 5-10 games has basically been the only time except for the Montreal series last year that the Rangers consistently fought, clawed and played their asses off,.....The other part is not that AV's system is wrong bit it has been wrong for the players he has or visa versa..That's where a coach has to adapt..and AV never did the last two years..and he didn't want to play a close to the vest defensive oriented game which the Rangers seemed to be able to play .

Hospo


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:00 pm EST

Stranger: what do you find about the AV system that sucks despite having been used by several teams to great success? And I don’t think AV was pissing and moaning about what could’ve been. He essentially said that this team could will itself into the playoffs but it wasn’t good enough to win. So rather then limp in and get thrown out again, the team decided to look at the long game.

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 3:57 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger ..... Patrik Virta (#NYR) scored his second goal of the series as TPS won their first-round playoff match-up against SaiPa tonight.

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 3:28 pm EST

nys the brass needs to make 1 more decision....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 3:27 pm EST

PJ - heh...and I deleted the last part too, about him wondering where it all went wrong while on an unheated bus to Topeka in mid January, trembling the last days of his professional contract that pays him free tire coupons and shoe insoles...yeah, talent squandered is just such a f'ing shame...I remember in school, there was a guy drafted by the NHL club that used to show up at our practices every once in a while...dude was intense. Skated like the wind...effortlessly...two strides and he was gone...had hands like nothing else. Could pick corners...Definitely could have been a pro...had everything there...except his attitude. It sucked. That was in the 1990s. I still see the guy in pickup/beer leagues...he's slowed down, but is still good...but I can't stand being on his team. Won't have him on my team if I can help it...cuz his attitude still, to this day, sucks. Alwyas complaining. Always bitching. Not a bad guy. Just someone who was never smart enough to STFU and put his god-given talent to use in any sort of productive manner.

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:55 pm EST

AV complaining about not making the POS because of decisions made by those above him sounds just like Ho Sang. BooHoo. Guess what? Your team sucked. Your system sucks. Your goalie sucked. The brass had to make that decision.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:36 pm EST

The Isles sent him home from camp a few seasons ago because he did something off the ice. In short, he is short on character and he doesn't understand how to be a pro. I'm sure the NYI want him in the NHL. But who the hell wants to deal with his antics. Dude needs to calm down, play hard, and come to camp ready to go in September. Otherwise, he's gonna enjoy life on the bus.

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:29 pm EST

Hip-Sing has been that way since junior. Obviously, not changing. Oh well, glad the Rangers didn't waste a high pick on him.

rF4l


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:28 pm EST

Rhet: They have their own first and Calgary's. Nice trade by Brian Burke - you'd think that blowhard would have learned from the Kessel for picks deal, but nope. What a tool.

rF4l


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:18 pm EST

TD... Interestingly enough, the Isles are rumored to be looking to move up in the NHL Draft. Robin Salo or Josh Ho-Sang (along with their current first round pick) have been mentioned as pieces that they would be willing to deal to get there.

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 2:11 pm EST

LA Kings ‏ Verified account @LAKings .... The LA Kings have agreed to terms with UFA defenseman Daniel Brickley ???? He will be introduced tomorrow at a press conference in Salt Lake City. Details to follow.... Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... Brickley gets a two-year entry-level contract from LA. The first year of it is burned simply by signing it. Doesn’t need to play a game to burn it and is not necessarily expected to play a game for LA this season. But will be with the team this week.

Rhet0ric


Thu Mar 29 2018 1:37 pm EST

Hank is correct but he forgot to mention the first and third goals...They were too easy also...

PJ


Thu Mar 29 2018 1:05 pm EST

gg he started this season on a losing streak, went on a winning streak, and back to a losing streak....he basically forced fishboy to do something......someday he will take responsibility , instead of just taking credit for good results.....at the end of someday over the rainbow....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 12:44 pm EST

I don't think that's a whine at all. I think AVs right. They could have made it. Some help would have been nice instead of a wrecking ball.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 12:40 pm EST

“It’s so frustrating,” said the goaltender, beaten 38 seconds into OT by Evgeny Kuznetsov after Lars Ellar had tied it on a six-on-five with 1:05 remaining in regulation. “It doesn’t matter where you are in the standings. You want to win games. You want to win. “We worked so hard, all of us. As good as we were on the penalty kill to keep us in the game, to give up that look five-on-six, it was too easy. Too easy.”

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 12:39 pm EST

TD....That rant on Hop Sing sounded a lot like Joe Friday from Dragnet lecturing some hippie....Impressive...

PJ


Thu Mar 29 2018 12:37 pm EST

french whine.....“Everyone in the organization wants to win,” Alain Vigneault, whose job behind the bench is in jeopardy after his first playoff miss since 2007 with the Canucks, said prior to the match. “But a tough decision was made and you have to respect it. “Even though people said we were in a bubble team going in, I don’t believe that. I believe [if not for the decision to rebuild] we would have made it.”

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:57 am EST

It f'ing BURNS me when you have a player like HO-SANG who has the tools to be a real solid NHLer...perhaps even a star...and he f'ing PISSES them away with this "oh everyone hates me" BS. Man, I know guys who have busted their ass from the time they were mites through college and into the ECHL just for the faintest WHIFF of being an NHLer...all the time, nose to the grindstone, quiet, doing as told...guys who have more character than Ho-Sang in a goddamn hair follicle of their left...guys who DESERVE to be in the NHL, but weren't given the talent that jackass has...and this clown thinks because he's got skill, an NHL position is gonna be handed to him? How f'ing stupid do you have to be to mouth off like that?!? To the press?! Just such immature BS. So much wasted talent. Always amazes me to hear guys like this prattle on in the lower leagues...like someone other than themselves is holding them back.

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:44 am EST

Yes a conspiracy. ..Buttman was helping the NYR get a better pick.

NYStranger


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:29 am EST

sing sang wine whine

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:28 am EST

E hanky was upset, he played a good game....I didn't like the ref watching ovie hold a nyr stick and taking a 1 handed shot, that was blatant....maybe those refs were daydreaming about after the game beers.....along with helping the craps win for whatever hometown bs reasons.....when buttman finally is gone maybe it will improve....he doesn't really care about that....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:27 am EST

Didn't realize Hop Sing was such a whiner...

PJ


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:24 am EST

Hospo, on opening day no less. That's some cosmic.... something. Only player ever 500 hits for 4 teams. Great ribs too, really.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:12 am EST

So look who's the victim again...Poor, poor, Josh HO-SANG. Everyone's fault but his own...22 years old...18 goals in 90-plus AHL games...and this is what he has to say: "I don’t think it’s my fault. They really painted it like it was my fault at the beginning of the year and I didn’t like that. I do have things I need to work on down here, my game is far from perfect. It can constantly improve. But I do think a lot of the stuff was unwarranted, especially in terms of the rope that other people were given. I understand I have a history and that might be a factor. I don’t know. But it’s frustrating to me..." What an absolute clown. I would tell him to pack his shit and have fun down in the ECHL...then trade him to Arizona.

tdchi


Thu Mar 29 2018 11:05 am EST

STEVIE: he looked heated and he should be. You never want to take away a win from a team because ultimately they put the puck in the net but they jumped that goalie getting to the bench when he was 4 strides out of the net. That was just obscene. And I would’ve put less of a emphasis on it had it just resulted in a dump. But they entered the zone 4-across with possession and a far side defenseman waiting for the cross ice. So, they had possession of the puck with an odd man entry when the New York Rangers had all 5-players back. That’s a call a peewee ref wouldn’t have missed. The fact that the ref was staring at the bench the whole time? Either it was conspiratorial or just plain incompetence. And here I was touting the refs because they were letting them play. And it was an entertaining hockey game. At least on our end it was. On the Caps end it was maddening that they couldn’t pull away from Lundqvist and his baby blueshirts. Rarely would I put a win/loss on the ref. But as far as a situation of manipulation of a game by not calling something? This was it. In the scheme of things it’s not worth anything because a loss actually benefits the NYR. But if you’re a young guy so close to closing 2-points on a hard fought game against a team that’s infinitely more skilled? That one was a gut punch.

E


Thu Mar 29 2018 10:25 am EST

Wow, not a MEt fan, but two of my faves..Rusty Staub and Ed Charles both gone in a week..Who's next, Ed Cesspool?

Hospo


Thu Mar 29 2018 9:11 am EST

wow veenyo trashed the ref for not calling too many men when craps goalie was 10 feet from bench and his replacement jumped on and played the puck before he got to the bench....mr end of the day end of the night.....

stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 8:44 am EST

RIP Rusty Staub.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 8:41 am EST

Ruff stepped on a puck or got hit with one.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:36 am EST

Vesey is a classic tweener right now. He matures a bit more, could still make you look stupid letting him go. And just looking stupid is one thing, giving up a valuable player who could still be a captain type someday is quite another. Or he could be mostly nothing, which he again was this year. He also got his face kicked in. Kids are tough this way lol. I'd caution, get ready for some heartache with kids who might not even be here yet. One thing we were fortunate for without listing names but most guys we targeted to come up & play did so & improved with major injuries or any of the other crazy shit that can happen. That said cant do analysis-paralysis either. If I could do Vesey-for-Coyle right now I do it & don't look back. Cause we need to get heavier more than another (maybe) middling forward.both good players & you can't go into these kind of changes with fear. Make your best calls, adapt & overcome.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:09 am EST

Did veenyo trip ruff ? ....The nyr should stay in the neutral zone and let hanky clear the puck out of their zone. .they are a disaster in their own zone...alias a doormat back in their house..... guess the coach saved his timeout for ot ....

Stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:07 am EST

Beset should be Vesey. Not sure what my phone thought I was doing...

Wildcard


Thu Mar 29 2018 6:07 am EST

Beset I think from what I see is discovering what kind of NHL player he will be, will have to be in order to remain an NHL player. He was a skill guy at the lower levels and he is going to be more of a 3rd line guy who succeeds with effort in all zones at the NHL level. He has skill no doubt, but it’s not enough to carry him. His grit and tenacity will allow him to make that transition, and he is starting to this season. He won’t live up to all that hype he had around him, but he will probably become a really good 3rd line guy that gets you 30-40 points (think 15-20 goals, 15-20 assists on the 3rd line and some PP time) and brings some energy to the team and really I think will be an important part of a winning roster. You need those types of players, most teams get them through UFA later in their careers, and end up overpaying, the Rangers have one that will be a lower cap hit for quite a few more years.

Wildcard


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:43 am EST

A hitting and fighting assistant coach would be nice if the gm would insist on that along with a skating coach. The nyr have plenty of $ to spend to help their team on all skills . Of course getting Jacques of all skills “at the end of the day “ out of the way would help. Rebuilding with young kids means they need plenty of teaching and teachers to SPEED the process up. I hoping that fishboy fillet on 4/10 will declare 10/4 for Assvipe... over and out....

Stevielegs


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:16 am EST

Where I was going with all that; Gorton really only needs to build 1/2 a team. He's got some easy options, Kovalchuk/Grabner, they help. But you guys talking about Wilson, very tough find, even tougher get. Gorton got to reach for that a bit, maybe swing & miss a few times but a must-add. Charlie Coyles a big moose that can play, versatile and probably available, as there were deadline rumblings. Use one of these Rfas, we've got a lot, make something happen. Draft one of Wahlstrom or Tkachuk early, it start a to look like a team that won't get pushed around. I'd spend a 2nd & 3rd just trying to find a Wildman that can play. Then whatever big D they deal for gets this team close to formidible.

Gorton Gekko


Thu Mar 29 2018 5:04 am EST

https://www.habseyesontheprize.com/nhl-entry-draft-picks-2018/2018/3/29/17175280/2018-nhl-draft-lottery-rankings-odds-first-overall-rasmus-dahlin-canadiens-sabres-senators-coyotes

Wildcard


Thu Mar 29 2018 4:48 am EST

The glass is half full - of beer! Easy to wallow right now, same time I see two guys I've never been a huge fan of, Hayes & Vesey, with just about 40 goals between them. Two UFAs, now RFAs. Vesey has come on a bit late after a quiet but decent year. He's a tough call. Hayes is easy imo, he has to be back. If Gorton is any kind of GM he delivers an exciting team in 6 months. He's has a shit ton of fairly attractive Rfas, front-loaded draft selections, cap space and still good vets to deal. He's also got a nucleus, if small, that I really like. And who's in-house already with a very good chance to win a job? Hajak one. Who avoids getting packaged in a deal and can still fight his way on the roster? A Ronning or Gettinger? Maybe they're Hartford bound, but maybe not. They've still got a good chance to create a heckuva team, a young balanced playoff team for next year. No excuse not to imwo.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:28 pm EST

John Rosasco ‏ @JRNYR .... Tim Gettinger tallies his 4th consecutive 2 point game with a goal and an assist tonight as Sault Ste Marie sweeps Flint. #nyr #OHLPlayoffs.... Libor Hajek tallies the game winning goal on the power play tonight. Regina evens the series at 2. #NYR #WHLPlayoffs.... Brett Howden tallies the tying goal with 50 second remaining, added an assist and tied for the game high with 5 SOG last night as Moose Jaw won 5-4 in OT to take a 2-1 series lead.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:22 pm EST

PJ - Wilson just used to be just a banger, and dirty at that..but has really improved his game to the point where he brings attitude, physicality and some hockey skill..to TOp 6/9..Exactly the type of player the Rangers need..Hope they can find one

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:02 pm EST

Any dream of landing Tom Wilson is just that...He does a little bit of everything...

PJ


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:58 pm EST

I don’t disagree Hospo. The best clubs can bring it any way you want to try it. Living on speed alone might be possible if you have a couple bona fide superstars, but we don’t to say the least. Maybe we’ll find a few or draft up or ...something!

Nick


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:47 pm EST

I worry about Vesey also....Very inconsistent and at some point that has to change...Hopefully he and Buch can find their way next season...More confident Vesey will be the one that does...

PJ


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:42 pm EST

Doesn't matter but still cursed a blue streak when the game was tied up and went nuts after the OT goal...Only the Rangers give up a goal one on three....Hank made some big saves but looked like crap on the first and last goal....Never though I would say it but O'Gara has played two pretty good games in a row...The officiating was bad again but what else is ne....

PJ


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:31 pm EST

Damn. some of the bricks on tyhis Wall are old...The other night..Henny Youngman....Tonight...Charles Atlas and Rodney Dangerfied...who's next...Don Rickles? The again, he was a hockey puck fan!

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:29 pm EST

Nick - pure speed game with little contact? No thanks..a waste of time and money....I'l l.watch figure skating...But a balnce between the two? Then you have something good and exciting...And exciting is not what the Ranger speed game by any stretch of the imagination...And, 1 game..10 games..1000 games..all fair game if your in the nHL.

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:26 pm EST

And I get no respect!

Nick


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:26 pm EST

And I get no respect!

Nick


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:24 pm EST

It better be New coach!..Ad if it isn't, they sure as hell aren't doing a rebuild but rather just seeing who could help next year along with vetran aquisition over the summer to be lead by AV...But they may also happen under a diffetnt coach...The xoaching decision by GORDO will clearly show the direction the team is going...AV or a RUFF or another guys from the old boy's club and they will go one way..if it's a younger coach who is more of a communicator and has college or mainly AHL ties..they go another way...

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:24 pm EST

They ‘buried’ McIlrath because he sucked. 31 teams and he’s playing in Grand Rapids. The pick blew. I also think size is becoming overrated as the league evolves. It’s a speed game now and hopefully that will continue ... unless you like the plodding game and concussions n stuff. I kid. Mostly.

Nick


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:22 pm EST

"Hey Ill tell ya.....rough crowd......".......Nick grabs his neck tie like Rodney

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:20 pm EST

Any fans anywhere of any sport go “ooooo!” when they have a guy with an “oo” sound in their name. Tough crowd. And microscoping guys who’ve played ten games because they make some mistakes facing Ovie and the Caps? Tough crowd.

Nick


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:14 pm EST

Well if they start accepting head coach applications, get out your crayons boys.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:13 pm EST

The Filthy @ Lanche game is on.......question.....are you allowed to tailgate and smoke bowls in the parking lot there with out incident?

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:11 pm EST

trade: Oh I am confident AV is gone. Makes zero sense to keep him on for a variety of reasons.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:10 pm EST

Here is the one thing that makes me concerned.....what are the Rangers gonna do with Lindy Ruff? I hope he doesn't leap frog into the drivers seat once AV hits the bricks.....that would suck big time

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:10 pm EST

3 more years after this of the King at $8,500,000 per. Another fine job courtesy of Nob for Life. How will Gorton clean this mess up??

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:09 pm EST

Hospo I swear I was about to ask, didn't he mentor Lalane? Lol...jesus hahaha.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:09 pm EST

Strength training is one thing but more than a few of these guys are like paper dolls out there. I constantly see the Rangers draft or acquire smallish players over the years. Keep scratching my head at the lack size and snarl going back basically forever (save for the ‘94 roster and the 2012 team that made the run to the ECF). And anytime they do draft a big tough guy, like a McIlrath, they bury them for not being fast enough. This organIzation has issues. Other teams have balance, so why is it so hard to do here?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:08 pm EST

Well lookit, I'll say this as a little coded peace offering to RF, cause I'm pretty sure it'll make him happy. McI's coach, maybe a contender.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:07 pm EST

RF4L.....AV is gone.....he will walk away with $8MM scrods....he aint too unhappy.....he can double dip with a new group of players on a more veteran team

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:06 pm EST

Hospo... Thats 'an honest assessment of Hank at 36. i'm not blaming the loss on him, but that's what I've seen from him this season. There was a stretch where he was absolutely brilliant, but he has one of those pretty much every season.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:05 pm EST

I dont know why I thought of Charles Atlas, hadnt though about him almost 40 years..always in the back of comics and magasize,,98 pound weaklings getting sand kicked in their faces..OTOH, while the Rangers arent physically strong, this group seems to have alot of heart and dont quit..Tat will be needed next year...and is hopefully nirtured by a NEW COACH

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:02 pm EST

Hospo: As long as the coach remains, the prancing perimeter play will continue. So clear what needs to be done.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:00 pm EST

NYSTRANGER - Totally agree..and it makes them hard to watch..Kreider is about the only one..Hopefully, aquisitions like The Shark, Cheetos, and now LINDGREN, HAJEK and HOWLAND will be addedto this summer,especially for the D...Right now, way too many guys that just dance on the perimiter and can use a Charles Atlas regimen

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:00 pm EST

Ranger dude is perpetuating some major Ranger fan on Ranger fan hate crimes on here

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:58 pm EST

The only one who could ever reach me.... Was the son of a preacher man.... The only boy who could ever teach me...... Was the son of a preacher man

tradestar28


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:57 pm EST

not worth the skin on your knuckles. lmao. blowfish sal getting all tough tough internet guy. go suck on your polis!

Ranger Dude


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:56 pm EST

Nystranger spot on. To win you need speed, size skill and snarl. Rangers have 2 of those 4. BTW Caps going nowhere

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:56 pm EST

Good one Stevie lol.. only 3 left, we probably won't have to hear about good looks anymore.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:55 pm EST

RHET - That's a good concise way of putting it on Hank...and sometimes not as brilliant as some may think and also sometimes not as at faault as others might ((Yes, I'm a father of a Goalie, so I might have a soft spot)!

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:55 pm EST

HOSPO: Don’t get me wrong. I think Pionk will likely be on the roster, but yeah, on the 3rd pair. He is playing 20+ per night and that’s exposing him to some top notch players. As you said about Gilmour facing teams fighting for their P.O. lives, well so is Pionk and he has improved while playing top minutes against top players, and to me that’s what sets them apart. But Gilmour issues to me at least, has issues that can be taught out of him if he is willing to put in the work. He will never be a defensively great Dman, but he could get good enough to play limited minutes 5on5 and work the PP and when the team needs some offensive pressure, protected with offensive zone faceoff and stuff like that. But he needs to make better decisions.....only time will tell if he can do that at the NHL level.

Wildcard


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:54 pm EST

Guess I missed those bad goals. I didn’t miss your the bad d zone plays

Stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:54 pm EST

Hospo..the old adage that you can't teach size? These Rangers are sorely lacking in size. I blame the coach's philosophy because I can. They have sacrificed all size and physicality for that elusive quantity 'team speed'. Too bad no one on the speedy roster can put the puck in the net!

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:53 pm EST

What seems to define Hank this season is that like tonight, he gives up two bad goals, but played some brilliant hockey in between.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:52 pm EST

I have an advanced copy of Assvipe post game presser

Stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:51 pm EST

Ok, so who’s fault was it this time Hank???????

Badboy409


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:49 pm EST

I still like Hank.

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:48 pm EST

Yep, call was so bad Goofbury trumpeted it! Pionk is learning. He led the team in icetime which is a good thing - well deserved.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:48 pm EST

RHET - Of course they will, but was still a bad mistake...He has played decent.and really put his game foreward for next year,.but no guarantee to me.and alot to learn defensively...and, like every Ranger, needs to get stronger

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:47 pm EST

We sure do, Jake.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:46 pm EST

Get out the Hanky...GG. You can vent now. ;-)

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:46 pm EST

Ahh....late goals. I discuss all things Rangers, including Hanks future as I did before at some length. And people keep defending him, I keep stating my case. Sure I throw in a few digs cause his Diva routine bugs me, but that's pretty normal give & take around here. Not what you do, which is only crawl from the basement when you think you can take a sucker shot. Specially and exclusively for me. So for the last time, I'm not giving anyone hell. I give the truth & they think it's hell. No go back in your hole with your chromosome deficient cousins until you can talk hockey. Cause you ain't worth the skin on my knuckles.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:45 pm EST

That sucks

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:44 pm EST

We need a nasty Shea Webber

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:44 pm EST

Hospo... Rookies will make rookie mistakes. That goal should never have happened. There was a clear too many men the refs ignored.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:43 pm EST

Collective jump off Pionk' s d___. Lol.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:43 pm EST

That's typical

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:42 pm EST

I call BS on this. That was the most egregious too many men non calls I’ve seen in a while. Refs have let the players play tonight but seriously. He was 15’ from the bench.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:41 pm EST

Pionk shows both his lack of size and inexperience.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:40 pm EST

Case in point on Jesus Pionk

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:40 pm EST

Pionk pushed away

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:39 pm EST

It's a shame that SKJEI has had a very up and down year...The kid has everything to be a two way D-man like MCD used to be...Can use some good coaching and tutelge to get the best out of him CONSISTENTLY

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:39 pm EST

Refs whistles firmly in their pockets. They didn't miss it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:39 pm EST

Hospo to clarify, I have no problem with the Potvin Sucks call, but it used to make sense when they did it only aginst the icelanders, then later when Potvin worked the Pathers games, when they where in town, but it has gotten silly, several times a period every home game. It is like eating that whole bag of Easter Chocolates in one sitting.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:39 pm EST

Iv holds Shea stick ref looking straight at it no call

Stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:36 pm EST

WILD - GILMOUR ahowed some flashes and moxie for a few games early..but all i really see of him now is bad decisons, bad defense and physical weakness..but..he;s been thrown in the fire against teams fighting for their PO lives..Hard job...Now, while I don't agree with everybody on Jesus Pionk, he defeinetly has steadily improved and played some decent defensive hockey (and sometimes bad) with some physical edge to go with his offense..Should defeinetly be in the mix next year for third pair..

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:36 pm EST

Milbury isn’t as much of a schmuck tonite as he usually is

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:33 pm EST

Great move by Skjei sticking with OV.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:33 pm EST

Someone forgot to tell the baby blueshirts that this is a very tough Caps team. Pionk is so damn scrappy. He just won’t give an inch.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:30 pm EST

Buchnevich is too easily pushed off the puck. Rangers playing well, happy for Hank good for 50 games next year. Rangers still not physical enough

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:28 pm EST

The Invisble Man surfaces!...NYSTRANGER -- I hear you about ZUUC chant ....bugs the shit out of me..But The "POTVIN SUCKS" has to stay...I'm big on tradition! :)

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:27 pm EST

Spooner

Jake0104


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:26 pm EST

Wow...Snotby sucks.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:26 pm EST

On that Spork kid...I take it back!

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:25 pm EST

RF4L: When they were called up Pionk and Gilmour were close to even. Pionk however has adjusted to his mistakes and learned and improved quickly. Gilmour has basically remained the same. It doesn’t mean he can’t learn, and due to his speed and skill I am sure either the Rangers or another team would see it worth working with him. He wouldn’t garner a big return, but Lilly a good one, or be part of a bigger package. It will be hard for him to crack the top 6 however, there will be a lot of competition from the young guys and I would bet a bet will be signed so there is half vets then Skjei and two brand new guys...seems like Pionk will be one : Skjei, Shattenkirk, Staal, Pionk, a vet (maybe Smith gets it together) and another kid.

Wildcard


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:22 pm EST

Republican National Convention site...why?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:20 pm EST

NYStranger: DUde, what websites do you frequent!?!?! ;^)

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:20 pm EST

NYStranger it's only 47 goals Ovi' s buried from there. After the 48th they'll figure it out, station a PKer there. You wanna slam the coach, that's the kind of thing makes me want to pistolwhip Av.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:19 pm EST

Humm, ads go from dating people 50+ to low cost stump grinding....related?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:08 pm EST

Nyr pp misses Captain Kirk

Stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:53 pm EST

Schneid..Garden Rangers fans seem to cream themselves over ANY player with an 'OOOO' in his name. The Booook call was great, but It has just gotten silly over the years, just like the stupid Potvin Sucks chant every 5 minutes. Most can't even do it right...I know I will draw the wrath of 'better' or 'real' Rangers fans, but I don't give a rats ass. Anyway, Zuuc is so overrated...sorry CMark, Ola, etc.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:47 pm EST

Ahhwooooo...was he a Werewolf of London?

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:47 pm EST

Spooner is turning into Sporkman. As in put a spork in it.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:43 pm EST

I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand....

mf


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:21 pm EST

I swear I saw an old lady with a walker skate by and knock Spooner off the puck. In his defense, she was a mean old lady.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:19 pm EST

That was a penalty?

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:16 pm EST

EVERYONE looks like their pushing Spooner off the puck.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:11 pm EST

schneidw: I hear you. There's definitely flaws in his game but I saw some high end offensive potential. I think the raw skillset is there - can he put it all together is the question.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:09 pm EST

rf4l_ I won't argue with you ... but every game I saw Deangelo play made me think he is maxed out at the AHL level and should have switched to RW as a young pro... not worthy of NYR roster spot...

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:06 pm EST

OLA- I was NEVER a Shatt huge Shattenkirk fan... he has been a MINUS player the past 4 years and while is certainly a very good powerplay specialist.. his defensive vulnerabilities make him a liability on 5 v 5 as his former coach in Washington stated in the press... I understand why the NYRs signed him since they needed to find a partner for McDonough AND needed to improve the powerplay... I think NYRs are hoping Shattenkirk will get healthy and committed and provide leadership next year because he will not be traded... As far as ZUCC goes, he is so overrated by NYR fans and not worth $5M/yr

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:00 pm EST

Wild: Interesting observation. I know I'm hardly going out on a limb here but I think Pionk is here to stay and I like how TDA looked before he got hurt. Given the acquisition of Lindgren and Hajek, not to mention off-season moves, you gotta think Gilmour stands a good chance of being on the outside looking in next fall. That said, he has enough skill to force himself into the picture or be attractive in a trade package. Bottom line, what a great response this year to how he fared last year. MIP awards for sure!!

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:59 pm EST

One player I really wonder about is VESEY.... I havent seen many games lately but he disappears for bunches of games and just seems to float around the ice... he doesnt make his presence felt and certainly doesnt strike me as a bonafide power forward...

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:58 pm EST

schneidw: Rangers are eliminated so they are in the lottery....just need to increase that % to win one of the topm3 picks!!

Wildcard


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:56 pm EST

PionK seems 5-9 and 165 lbs to me... remember the NYR list Zuccarello at 5-8 so they inflate by 3 inches

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:55 pm EST

sal youre really slimy tonight aren't you. you don't NON-STOP heckle our own players. lmao you nonstop run our goaltender into the ground. I don't know who kis is but he called you blowfish. bang on sal, band on!

Ranger Dude


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:52 pm EST

Even when Pionk turns the puck over, he fights to get it back... Rookies will make their mistakes, but you've got to love his tenacity.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:52 pm EST

Unless you are 5‘11“. THAT my friend is the future!

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:51 pm EST

Gilmour cheates towards the puck a lot. Sometimes it’s a large movement and others are like that Caps goal, turns his body as if he is about to move way out of position to go at the puck carrier and it takes him a little out of position from the guy he should be defending. It’s rare that he isn’t drawn towards the guy with the puck and it almost always leaves another’s guy open. His skating has always made up for that, but at the NHL level the players are just too good and quick. He needs to get that fixed or he will never be able to stick.

Wildcard


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:51 pm EST

If this was the Penguins I would believe that...

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:49 pm EST

Schneidw.... He is 6'0"... 6'0" is the new 6' 2"... or so they say :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:48 pm EST

KING_ let that shot in on purpose.. gotta keep the NYRs in the lottery

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:48 pm EST

Tell him he's fat... throw him off his game.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:47 pm EST

Rhetoric.. Its my FIRST time seeing Pionk... I was boycotting the NYRs for not trading ZUCC... but I am super impressed by Pionk... super impressed by his skating, stamina and on ice awareness... just hope he can hold up to the NHL rigors... he is really small...

schneidw


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:47 pm EST

Recall Geo!!!

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:47 pm EST

That one is for you GG....

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:46 pm EST

So explain to me why the Rangers (any team really) never puts a forward right on OVi when he sets up at the faceoff dot during their Power Play?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:46 pm EST

Oh Hank.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:45 pm EST

NYStr...LOLOLOL...you'll know for sure once you get ads for real estate in Mannotuk (or wherever he has his fabulous home overlooking the ocean).

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:44 pm EST

Pionk is a joy to watch. He is just like Savoir Faire....

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:44 pm EST

Yes. I'm just not stupid. I also don't NON-STOP heckle our own players, want our management dead in a fiery crash, praise opponents programs like a wistful Maude & advocate for tanks.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:44 pm EST

Very VERY impressed with Pionk....

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:42 pm EST

So now I am getting ads on the Wall for meeting singles over 50! WTF? I feel like I am using RangerLou's computer.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:39 pm EST

what a play by Pionk to go to the net there

Gibbo


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:38 pm EST

Pionk has a nice, hard shot, but he really needs to hit the net.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:37 pm EST

Gekk, you never change your mind? I want a buritto? I don't want a burrito?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:34 pm EST

TY Braden Holtby

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:33 pm EST

STFU Milbury. Go back to what you're really good at - an NHL GM.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:33 pm EST

So how did the ref miss that?

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:32 pm EST

Trade Kreider. Make Kreider captain. Hard to keep up with some people.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:32 pm EST

That was in!!!

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:24 pm EST

How did Lindy Ruff fall and hit his head on the ice?

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:24 pm EST

McQuire stroking Snotby for a routine save. Nice.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:16 pm EST

Could Kreider be the next Ranger captain? I sure like the way he's playing since he came back from his injury. Would the C mean he'd play this way all the time??

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:05 pm EST

Rhet: LOL...they are fun to watch and so refreshing after so many years of ineptitude. I'm just grateful my wife is into hockey - she never was but came around because our sons played throughout their childhoods. Hockey is a wonderful game and she got hooked (pun sorta intended). That she loves the Leafs over the Rangers I can handle because she'll watch (even tho she'll yell at stuff that shouldn't be yelled at - lol).

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:05 pm EST

Stevie.... "Never get involved in a land war in Asia"

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:59 pm EST

RF4L... That's because you tried doing the brain washing on the wife and she brain washed YOU :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:58 pm EST

FUCK THE MAPLE LEAFS & EVERY SINGLE FRANCHISE NOT NAMED NYR. And I'm sure the non-contributing creatons are stirring in the dungeon of this place lol!!, so before they get here F them too! I'm out. But ill be back if they wanna mix it up.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:54 pm EST

stevie...what about when you call yourself different names?

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:51 pm EST

“"In Asia, when you get called all different names, you live longer..”

Stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:47 pm EST

And yeah, I like the Leafs. Mitch Marner. Geesh...

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:30 pm EST

BTW, scouting report on Adam Mascherin: "Prolific scoring winger who combines an exceedingly high work ethic with speed, skill, and a mature approach to the game to overcome size differentials. An intense competitor with a booming shot, Masherin finds ways to score by outworking the opposition. He may not be the tallest player on the ice, but he isn't a lightweight either. He plays a fast, heavy game and isn't afraid to battle against tougher opponents. All-in-all, a lightning rod kind of player who will exceed expectations and bring energy to the game with each shift." Sounds great but he's not big (5'9 and 190) and it's unclear on why he's soured on the Panthers organization.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:23 pm EST

Oh my...you cannot help yourself. BTW, isn't it interesting that like within 5 minutes after RFCadmin posted that they'd opened up again the new user functionality you (re)appeared. I mean...is that how sad your life is - you peruse this board THAT frequently? That is sad you know. It's really not surprising given how you behave in here. *SIGH*

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:18 pm EST

Rhet: Totally agree. Gorton surely isn't about to trade Shat away without having a long discussion with him. In the very least, Gorton will (and should) reach out to Shat and ask him if he's open to a trade for the very reasons you cite in terms of him signing. To me, given the discount Shat agreed to, it's the right thing to do. I know that's what I'd do whether or not I think he should stay thru the rebuild. It's just the right thing to do. So assuming Gorton has integrity, it'll be up the Shat in terms of whether or not he's traded this summer. If all that makes sense...

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:11 pm EST

Sather Sucks! Go root for the Maple Leafs. You only come here to take a shit.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:09 pm EST

Yeah RF, you would consider a Matt Cooke type, 3-hockey posts bitch like RangerDude over me. There's a reason I've barely addressed you by name. I think you're a sick individual.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:06 pm EST

I don't know all buyout rules, if both sides agree to less than a contract calls for. But since before the deadline I watched as some pretty good circumstantial evidence Hank could be moved circulated out there. Subsequent I caught some Buzz those talks Gorton acknowledged (Hank denied, twice) ended with Hank citing some biz oops he had going here and maybe it wasn't right time to pack (for Toronto, maybe). I've heard nothing since but I can read, every time the rebuild is broached Hank says we'll see. So maybe they revisit at draft, though I do think Sweden makes a lot of sense for everyone. Can't forget Nyr owe like 25.5 over 3 years, maybe they work that out & he saved us a few bucks, if that possible. But I don't think he wants to wear another NHL jersey nor do the Rangers. But it's one of those things, it's gotta end. And Sweden's always been like his 2nd team, so it makes some sense.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:59 pm EST

OLA....In regard to Shattenkirk: I totally agree. We need to at least kick the tires on it. He came here because he wanted to play deep into the playoffs with his home town team. He was also excited about playing with Ryan McDonagh, he could not have been too happy about seeing him get traded.. ....TD/E... We've only started blowing things up. What makes you think Shattenkirk has interest in doing a rebuild? There are always those guys that don't want any part of it, maybe it doesn't even interest him. Also, the chances are that by the time the NYR are good again, it will be at the end of his current deal. I would imagine at the very least, it's something that the NYR/Gorton will investigate. Due diligence and all that.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:58 pm EST

Yes, he's a figment of your imagination...lol...although I cannot decide if I'm flattered or not. Sorry R Dude!

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:34 pm EST

Yeah, enough to invent RangerDude Bwhaaa!

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:30 pm EST

Gordo...lol...nah, there's only 1 person I hate. ;^)

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:25 pm EST

Its kind of funny how different posters are...how shall I say.... less enamoured with some personnel than others. For me it's Hank, Shatt is driving Ola nuts today for some reason, Hospo hates Zibanajad, MF hates A/V, TD I'm not sure if but I do know RF hates everybody! LOL.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:01 pm EST

I would be jaw dropped if they moved Shatty. First of all, right now he aint worth nearly as much as he was. Second, he is IR. Third, you may not like his game but his ability to play has not been adequately sampled by many of you. Unless of course you saw St. Louis play a lot. He is a very good player off the blue line. You aren't gonna get much by way of defense but on offense and on the PP? He is a weapon. He sure as hell was masterful at burning San Jose almost every time they played. Total nemesis. So, I'd back off of Shat, let him heal, and give the guy a chance. He's not an elite defender but he isn't being paid like one. He is a notch below perennial all-star. St. Louis didn't want to lose him. They had to make a cap decision and thats why he moved. Otherwise, they likely would've tried to re-sign him before the deadline.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:00 pm EST

coach says he's going to make sure they are dialed in tonight.....what number ?

stevielegs


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:57 pm EST

Anybody know anything about this kid: The Panthers are trying to trade 2016 second-rounder Adam Mascherin of OHL Kitchener. A 40-goal scorer for the Rangers, he informed Florida he would not sign there before he can re-enter the draft in June. It’s unfortunate, as it appears there was some broken telephone that made things worse than they needed to be. This will not be easy for the Panthers, since interested teams won’t want to give up something if they think they can just draft him in three months. Their best hope is that someone who lacks draft choices where Mascherin might be taken decides it really wants him. Not sure why he doesn't want to sign but if he's legit perhaps the Rangers consider offering up their NJ 2nd rounder for him? Just musing here....

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:54 pm EST

because of

PJ


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:53 pm EST

Ola...Would love to see Shatt traded and didn't want him to begin with...Maybe he played hurt but he was as bad as any of these kids in his own end...Rangers still believe in him though and he won't be moved IMO....Certainly not because and Pionk and Tony D....

PJ


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:50 pm EST

Actually.... lol... if you read that piece out today he mentions how he considers the two years playing in Sweden pro, and I mused about that (maybe not here) some time ago. Its easier for him.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:45 pm EST

Rhet: I honestly don't believe Hank is all-in on backstopping a rebuild. I mean after all these years and all his success, does he really want to wind down his career that way? Difficult to fathom. I am thinking he's just saying the right thing and once the season's over he may say something completely different behind closed doors. Of course, as you imply, that doesn't mean it's a no-brainer to move him. His contract is ridiculous (gee didn't we this coming 5 years ago??), he's getting up there in age, he played very well in stretches this year, but struggled mightily in others and would never open things up to the point where Gorton can barter with a slew of GMs. There will be a limited market for sure, he's not going to bring back a bounty, and the Rangers will likely have to eat the maximum allowed in the CBA of his contract.

rF4l


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:35 pm EST

Speaking of The King, both Holtby and Grubbuer have knee injuries for the Caps..Too bad the NHL is not like MLB where you can have waiver trades after the offical trade deadline..I know it would make at least one person happy!

Hospo


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:11 pm EST

RF4L.... I wonder if Hank realizes the mixed messages he's sending. He's trying to sound/be positive but you can see how disappointed he is. You definitely get the impression that he's not happy and it's not just about missing the playoffs. Maybe he's another guy you sit him down and let him know that he'll be playing less games next season. Let's see how open to the idea he is. He'll be better if he plays less as he get's older...If he did agree to waive his NMC, we'll still likely have to eat half of his deal. I don't know what a 36 year old goaltender would be worth these days but the Buffalo Sabres got a 29-year-old Vyacheslav Kozlov and a first-round pick when they dealt Dominik Hasek.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 4:06 pm EST

Who cares about Hank? He is over the hill. Still has some good games in him. But what does it matter? We are rebuilding. Hank is 36 y/o, have seen a ton of action. We aren't contending in the near future. Ding dong, ding dong, start ringing the church bells because his funeral have started. It will go on for a while. He has done a lot of good things over the year, I hold no resentment. He was also paid well for it. He got a NMC and controls his own faith. Let him pass on some of that competitive spirit to the kids, he will keep a lockerroom full of kids honest, pass on the torch, ding dong ding dong. By all likelyhood he will be six feet under when we become relevant again. Maybe he can get into the POs once more, odds for that we will be able to contend must be really really slim.

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:58 pm EST

Nobody have a problem trading Zucc. He took less to play here and have left it all on the ice year after year after year. Its a business. Gorton gave Shatty 6.9m per. Shatty was a mess on the ice. But its unthinkable to trade him because he signed here? You know what -- Shatty got a NMC last season. After this season that NMC turns into a NTC. We don't owe him a damn thing. We signed him and would have kept him had this team played as a contender this year. Let me tell you, they weren't even close. Shatty didn't get a NMC. Why keep him when it makes all the sense in the world to trade him???

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:58 pm EST

Nobody have a problem trading Zucc. He took less to play here and have left it all on the ice year after year after year. Its a business. Gorton gave Shatty 6.9m per. Shatty was a mess on the ice. But its unthinkable to trade him because he signed here? You know what -- Shatty got a NMC last season. After this season that NMC turns into a NTC. We don't owe him a damn thing. We signed him and would have kept him had this team played as a contender this year. Let me tell you, they weren't even close. Shatty didn't get a NMC. Why keep him when it makes all the sense in the world to trade him???

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:54 pm EST

TDCHI- Hehe can you guess what I might want to say in relation to this comment you made? "I don't for one minute believe that the Rangers suddenly and abruptly decided to abandon hope and start dealing people." WHAT THE HECK HAVE WE BEEN DOING THE LAST YEARS? DEREK STEPAN traded for a pick and a prospect. RICK NASH traded for picks, prospects, Spoons and cap dumps. RYAN MCDONAGH and JT MILLER traded for mostly picks and prospects and Names. GRABNER traded for picks and prospects. HOLDEN traded. Is the one vet we are not going to trade the one that is a horrible fit for us lol? I don't for a second believe that Shatty can't be moved. He had an injury, big deal, wasn't a major injury. He has played in this league for a long time, don't for a second believe that anyone doubts that he will be back.

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:51 pm EST

I agree partly with both of you. Lundqvist's best days are way behind him. But just as telling or maybe more so is the defensive numbers Brooks quoted in that article. AV has to go.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:36 pm EST

TD here's a news flash; I don't know Lundqvist lol. I don't have beef with him anymore than the other 9 million NYers I don't know. Why can't I just see his goaltending as seriously substandard? That my opinion is backed by some truly HORRIFIC statistics (15% of 1st shots, GOAL!) shows it's not some silly dislike you suggest.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:21 pm EST

GG - Look, I get it. You got a beef with Hank...But you can't be serious with this business about GEORGIEV...who, incidentally, I like...or, for that matter, SHESTERKIN...who, incidentally, I also like...being BETTER than Hank?!? One has almost identical numbers and the other plays for Vlad Putin's favorite hockey team, which is stacked up like the USSR's Red Army squad...and even if you over look those facts...is playing in the weaker KHL! You can say Hank isn't the tender he was 10 years ago. Hell...5 years ago...and I'll agree. You can say Hank lets in softies every once in a while...again...not going to disagree(though all goalies do)...I'll even give you this one too: Hank is overpaid...certainly is at this stage in his career...but you're off the deep end of reality when you're saying this season is on Hank. He was the one guy who took the team on his shoulders and gave them a fighting chance. Tell you what: If we went into this season with Georgie and PAVELEC in net, we'd be around where the Sabres are now...so I guess that's one more bit of blame I will heap on Hank...he almost single-handidly prevented us from a third, fourth or fifth from the bottom finish.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 3:10 pm EST

Ola - I would be astounded if they traded SHATTENKIRK. Not saying I agree with this...but I think the Rangers' chances of drafting DAHLIN are actually better than them trading Shatty...first, because the dude is coming off surgery and just got shut down for the season...so is that someone you would trade for? Second, because I don't think the Rangers would have signed him if they had any expectation of wheeling around and dealing him less than a year later...tell you what: I don't for one minute believe that the Rangers suddenly and abruptly decided to abandon hope and start dealing people. I think that discussion happened after the loss to the Sens in the playoffs...and Gorton more or less made that call when he dealt STEPAN deal. I don't think Shatty was sign in the hope of making a run in 2018 as much as he was/is being used for a future run.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:57 pm EST

TD he's responsible for stopping the puck. And he sucks at it. We've got at least two guys in-house better than him. Ones trapped in Russia. But jeez Louise how much do you need to see? He set ineptitude RECORDS!

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:54 pm EST

Beggars can't be choosy when it comes to right defensemen. I'd doubt the Rangers move Shattenkirk 46 games into a 4yr deal. And he was hurt all 46 having been injured in camp. Still he looked pretty good at times, and he slots well on a 2nd pair. I'm more worried who's on that first pair right now. That said. Anything's possible, especially this summer.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:52 pm EST

GG - This isn't worth arguing...You look at the team the Rangers iced.. No defense. No second-line center. You want to blame THAT on Hank?!? And seriously...if you can say with a straight face that an NHL goaltender lacking those two things is responsible for the team's demise...then I guess we're at an impasse because we see hockey in two totally different ways...look, let's flip this around...look at perpetually bad Islanders and the f'ing SIEVE they have between the pipes...this is a guy with just an ass-kicking forward corps...a young, mobile D...tell you what...Hank on the Islanders and they'd be going to the playoffs. Might even be a contender for the cup. C'mon dude.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:50 pm EST

Rhet- There must be a tough decision for Gorton to deal Shattenkirk, but it’s a trade he must do. Gorton shouldn’t mention names. But I believe it would help him if the people covering this team called it for what it is — it’s a complete no-brainer to deal him. We have just started a rebuild. Shatty is 29 y/o. Small, offensive minded flawed defensive Ds is the one position we have depth in. Why on earth should we keep Shatty when we deal other vets? Makes zero sense. We aren’t winning anything next season, I couldn’t care less if Shatty can put up 40-50 pts while Pionk/TDA only might get 30-40 pts with top PP time.

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:39 pm EST

RF4L - Let's see what STAAL does in the playoffs, eh?

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 2:39 pm EST

So the draft lottery odds were released today and there are absolutely no surprises...Rangers actually have a moderately tough remaining schedule with games against the Caps, Lightning and Devils, which will all likely be losses. Flyers and Islanders is always a toss up...only "weak" team will be the Canes, who are only marginally better than the Rangers. The Islanders' schedule is arguably weaker. But they're arguably trying harder to tank(big surprise there)...Edmonton also has a pretty weak schedule...but as of now, it's looking distinctly like the Rangers will be drafting in the 10th-11th area...chances for first? 3.5 percent...Second? 3.8 percent...and third? 4.5 percent. The f'ing Islanders could very well be drafting two picks in the top 10.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:55 pm EST

Damn phone...Pionk! Not pink. LOL

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:54 pm EST

Ola agree on Shatty. Never wanted him here I was quite clear about that. Never like signing self professed Rangers fans. Always seems to be a curse. Pink already has done more offensively than Shatt. And maybe he learns defense. Shatty is what he is...

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:54 pm EST

Ola agree on Shatty. Never wanted him here I was quite clear about that. Never like signing self professed Rangers fans. Always seems to be a curse. Pink already has done more offensively than Shatt. And maybe he learns defense. Shatty is what he is...

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:30 pm EST

"I think the big challenge was when we made the decision to make a change," Lundqvist said. "That was the new experience for me being a pro for probably 18 years. I count my years in Sweden. That was a high level as well. But just your mindset, it was something that you had to deal with mentally. It was definitely a new experience. But we're all on board in this.".......................................................Lundqvist says, "we are all on board with this?" What is he? The GM? Did they ask him permission to rebuild? I'm joking of course but I don't see Lundqvist leaving. He isn't going to go be one of those guys who hops team to team hoping that he gets there. I'm sure the New York Rangers will let him finish out the way he wants. I just hope that he knows when its that time. I don't want a 45-year old Lundqvist giving me delusions of how long I could've played if I had you know... talent???

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:24 pm EST

RF: inexplicable is an interesting term. i know what AV was thinking. I just don't agree with it. He wants three scoring lines. I get that. But you need guys who can give you that kind of production. I do remember hearing earlier this year during a pregame that when Staal moved to MIN he also lost 15 lbs. and took much better care of his body. So, he might've reflected after the season with the New York Rangers and decided that if he was going to extend his career he would have to reinvent himself a little. He probably left NY head down. I don't think he intended to leave NY. Just keep playing with his brother. It just didn't work out that way. But alas would'a, could'a, should'a... The same old poubelle. Different day. The Rangers way...

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 1:04 pm EST

Rhet: Let's hope in 2 weeks he starts focusing on next year and agrees to waive his NMC!!!

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 12:53 pm EST

Lundqvist staying focused on present, not future, with Rangers.... Goaltender says it's important to play even after team eliminated from playoff contention.... https://www.nhl.com/news/rangers-goaltender-henrik-lundqvist-focused-on-present/c-297413012?tid=280751054

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 12:10 pm EST

E: Your last point is pure musing (which is fine - not saying that to be prickish). What's factual is: 1) He's done very well in Minnesota 2) He was put in a position to succeed (gets to play his natural position and one he played at his entire NHL career, save for under AV, and with good wingers) 3) He wasn't given that opportunity by AV for whatever reason. It's all water under the bridge now of course, but IMO worth recounting to emphasize some of inexplicable roster decisions AV has been guilty of over the past few years. Simply put - he needs to be jettisoned at season's end.

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:45 am EST

RF: I hate to overly defend AV and I’m not going to exonerate him of blame either. While I know coaches coach and managers manage he was obviously consulted as to whether he thought that he was worth getting by the GM. And it had to be, “yes!!!” So, call AV onto the mat here for thinking a guy would help and then not going on to use him in a way that utilizes his skill set. That made no sense to me. Now to be fair his game had eroded quite a bit in his last 2 in Carolina if memory serves me correct. So the feeling in NY was reinforced. And give MIN credit. They saw the guy, brought him in and found him some guys that he really meshed with. I mean guys with talent. It’s worked out well. I could just as well see him go somewhere else and watch the groans start again calling for his retirement. And he is finished.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:16 am EST

A team with a grand total of 2 right D (I wouldnt count Deangelo) has no business trading Shattenkirk. The guy is a good point producer healthy, best we've got in fact. I'm sure SuperFans are giddy over Pionk posting points and would be happy to leave it up to him lol. Shatt too old & overpaid, blah blah. SuperFans never sleep.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 11:03 am EST

E.... I've seen Tkachuk a lot lately in the top 3 of the draft. I still hope Svechnikov falls a bit more (the whole Russian thing) and we can sneak up and nab him. There have also been several reports that the NYI are looking to move up in the draft to grab Svechnikov (they already have his brother). Could you imagine the NYR's getting Svechnikov before the NYI? How sweet would that be? Anyway, we will have a lot of competition to move up in the draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:34 am EST

E: I don't think Staal is any slower than Kevin Hayes. I think that's a misnomer. I concur he's no Hagelin but you don't score 40 goals in today's NHL if you can't skate. The entire Staal acquisition was a fustercluck for sure but for me anchoring the guy on the 3rd line as a left wing was ridiculous and reeks of a disconnect between the GM and the coach. I get the impression AV wanted Staal to instantly jumpstart his lethargic club (and they were, almost to a man) and when that didn't happen, he quickly lost interest and slid him into a spot where he wasn't going to accomplish anything. And just to be clear - I'm not absolving the player himself of blame. He wasn't very good but who the hell was on the Rangers at that time? Maybe 1 or 2 players but most were as ineffective as Staal was. I'll be so glad when AV is finally fired. He's overripe to the point of rot.

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:05 am EST

OLA... Did you really expect Gorton to mention names? It's not like they made 'the announcement' before the trade deadline and then said that McDonagh, Nash, Grabner and Holden will all be traded. We knew primarily from trade rumors and Nash/Grabner was corroborated when they were held out of games due to protection against injury. I expect that they do indeed intend to trade Shattenkirk. As such, they will have to sit him down and have a long conversation with him. I would hope part of that discussion is asking him for his 10 team no trade list a week early so they could possibly move him at the draft.

Rhet0ric


Wed Mar 28 2018 10:00 am EST

TD: I think from what I’ve heard, read, and seen Dahlin, Zadina, Setnetfhov (sp?) are considered going in order. Dahlin is a franchise defining defenseman for the next 10-years. Zadina is going to be a perennial 40-50 goal scorer like a Kane type. And I can’t remember right now but I heard somewhere (NHL radio I think) that several teams are pushing for defenseman and the top-10 is loaded. And it’s true. Acquiring quality defenseman is ridiculously hard an expensive in the game today. GM’s don’t trade them. And if it’s a rightie? Forget about it. Worth their weight in gold on the trade market. In other words, I’m reaching for the stars a lot but maybe it’s possible to get in there. But also recall that I’m notorious for making horrible picks and have a long documented history of picking guys who I know will suck. But I did pick Fowler and was furious when they skipped him for Mcilrath. And even though I joined a few in wanting Jessiman I wanted Parise, Getzlaf, and I think it was Phaneuf that year next. Or in any particular order. I just knew Parise was bound to be very good the moment the NJD got him. I knew Phaneuf was likely out of reach. I thought Getzlaf was the hidden gem of the draft. I remember watching the Hitman play live against the T-birds. I was like damn. He’s like a young Messier.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 9:39 am EST

RF: As always... the reason why acquisitions need to come with a purpose and not just be the shining object that attracts the NYR management like a bug to a zapper. Staal is a great fit in Minnesota. But continues to be too slow and too over the hill to play for the NYR. Sadly, part of me wish he would’ve re-signed. He would have given Gorton another first. But in reality, Staal would have wanted a career locking limited NTC.

E


Wed Mar 28 2018 8:07 am EST

The nightmarish 10-game start was largelybLundqvists fault, he couldnt stop a fucking beachball. If you cant remember that maybe you dont want to. He probably spent too much time GQing on the french riviera and used those games as his personal training camp. Then he WAS very solid for 20 or so games, that's when we went on a run. But he crumbled after that, early goals, late goals, goals in bunches. Again, son might not want to remember. It's upsetting, better to put your head in the cool sand. I get it. They can make your head hurt, seriously. Tie your stomach in knots. Make you want to kick the shit out of someone responsible. I do understand. But lets also understand that was not nhl level goaltending. The guy is done, and has been. He'll give you 20 good games next year too. The rest of the time? Master of Disaster.

Gorton Gekko


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:59 am EST

Not that this is anything earth-shattering, but Gorton when asked yesterday in a press conference about other moves after the season ends said: "I’m not the only one that decides that, there are other teams involved. But we’ll certainly be involved. We’re going to try to improve our team any way we can. We’re going to look at every avenue we can to help as we go forward.”

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:36 am EST

ola...'elk in the room'. LOLOL...I like it.

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:34 am EST

E Staal with his 40th last night - all from the left wing spot on the 3rd line. NOT!

rF4L


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:22 am EST

On Shattenkirk. Don't like the setback and I hope this doesn't mean a balky knee for the rest of his career....that would be very Rangers like. But he seriously never should have pushed or been pushed to return this season. No reason whatsoever unless it was just a goal set by the staff to make sure he didn't become complacent during rehab.

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:19 am EST

Well if the Rangers were looking to lose the remaining six, playing Lundqvist may just get that job done. Nice to see the two kids play OK in their respective debuts or promotions. But the Caps game is what happens when this crappy, spare parts roster plays a really good team. Boofaloo game was a joke. The Sabres had no interest in competing. THAT my friends is a team tanking to nowhere. And while I am not confident in many things Rangers, I am Confident with a capital 'C' that the Rangers NEVER become that mess. I know there are a few here that cry about how losing a few meaningless game now could lead to a losing culture. Not gonna happen!

NYStranger


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:17 am EST

If you're blaming the Rangers' omission from the playoffs on LUNDQVIST, you haven't been watching...I agree, it's perfectly reasonable to say Gorton set them up for failure this season...if all the chips fell exactly right, they would have made the playoffs and perhaps won a round...Shitheads like Brooks tend to forget they spent half the season in playoff contention...regardless, it's 100 percent true: They went in undermanned and outmatched. Couldn't watch the first 10 games and not come to that conclusion...But guys like Hank kept them in and always gave them a chance at winning. To undercut that is to really not look at the big picture...but yeah, fans need someone to blame instead of their favorite player(s)...So usually, it's 1. the coach. and 2. the goalie. In this case, both played a role, but by no means a staring one. Everyone had a hand in making this shit sandwich.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 7:00 am EST

Brooks and Brett C are chickening out on bringing up Shatty's name. Don't make any sense, we are never loyal to anyone, unless you were an expensive UFA than we must be extremely loyal to you. McD and co has been traded. Hank has been mentioned by many and pressured, but he controls his own faith. The UFA we signed last July for 6.9m per that comes here and underperforms -- damn we must be loyal to him. Makes no sense. Go there!

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:57 am EST

Why is nobody talking about the Elk in the room? Makes zero sense for Gorton to not shop Kevin Shattenkirk extremely hard per the point his NMC expires on July 1. Pionk and TDA can run the PP. We need someone that can PK on the right side, Shatty doesn't fit that bill. A RHS PPQB are always valuable on the market. Shattenkirk is 29 y/o. Deal him, can we get a 1st in 2019? Sign a vet like Gryba that can play 6th D and PK to a cheap contract, he won't have many suitors. 1m per. And some kids that can challenge for that spot too. Just makes zero sense to assign Shatty as the vet that we are keeping longterm while we deal everyone else, its at that one position we have depth on the farm so to speak with TDA and Pionk.

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 6:22 am EST

GG - I'd be shocked if they took him too. Because that would mean they'd be picking in the top three...which would be shocking in and of itself. Most pundits have TKACHUK going second overall. Slight chance he drops to third. And yes, 100 percent and impact player. Generational? Nah. But he'll have an impact.

tdchi


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:22 am EST

Stevie- Ok, I will allow Andy for now besides the Shark.

Ola


Wed Mar 28 2018 5:05 am EST

I wrote a long post but lost it ... the gist of it was to fishboy and veenyo....GFYS...!!!!...

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:01 pm EST

Nice job, Rangers. Never had to come to this, 16 of 31 make the playoffs, a majority if a slim one. Here's an idea; try not to have a mummy for a goalie. Here's another; when he shows he's a mummy, adjust accordingly (meaning not a career high for consecutive starts). Here's another; try to acquire a quality center if you know youre dealing two away. And while part of that was to get a right dman, they needed another & never came close to getting one. That's how you wound up stuck with Holden & Smith. This D corps was on borrowed time, but paying Girardi to play against us was plainly the wrong move for this season. And when DeAngelo didn't really turn out & Pionk wasn't ready and Bereglazov didn't make it, all those misjudgements added up. One more idea is to find a coach who doesn't leave the team & the fans feeling totally emasculated. I think what bothers most is not to fight & lose but not be allowed to mix it up freely, as the game calls for. Some more of the toxicity apparently stems from this. So that at least is trending in the right direction.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:25 pm EST

Wild) With the Devils win tonight against Carolina, the Rangers have been officially eliminated from playoff contention. The Rangers are currently 33-35-8 and are now 14 points behind the Devils with only 6 games left. This is the first time since the 2009-10 season that the Rangers will miss the playoffs and only the second time since Henrik Lundqvist joined the Rangers in 2005-06. Since 2005-06 the Rangers have played in 129 playoff games, second only to Pittsburgh at 157.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:36 pm EST

It's interesting to ponder the possibilities about the Rangers moving up to the top 5 in the draft. Agreed difficult to do, even with the pick presents the Rangers could offer. But, Gorton surprised us last year at the draft (like who saw the Stepan for the 7th overall pick coming) - IMO, that and what he did at the deadline says he's got the gonads to at least make a serious attempt. If that's what his goal is, he's targeting one or two of those kids we keep mentioning. Imagine if he pulls it off - whoever he picks some won't be happy with! LOL...

rF4l


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:32 pm EST

ADAM BOQVIST: RHS D'MAN http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=265684

mf


Tue Mar 27 2018 7:29 pm EST

Brady Jesus! 100% impact guy? Lol. If so he's our man, but I'd still be shocked if they took him. It'd be such a departure for them. Which is kind of the whole point.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 6:29 pm EST

E - I too am a huge Brady TKACHUK fan. TBH, I've heard on a number of occasions that he's the better, more complete player of the two...but a couple weeks back, a Ranger fan writer on Twitter who I generally trust was basically saying he's concerned that the Rangers are, in fact, targeting Tkachuk...the reasoning being that he's going to go in the top five...likely the top three...and that he simply doesn't think he's that good of a player compared to the likes of ZADINA or SVECHNIKOV or even BOQVIST...got me thinking...and I remember being more impressed with Matt in the WJCs than Brady...doesn't really mean squat...because I think the chances of Brady becoming an impact player in the NHL are 100 percent...and really, I think he's what the Rangers need...a fiery guy who really drives teams nuts...and at 6'3 195 now, the kid will probably play at something like 220...I drool thinking of him and KREIDER on our wings...Also, BTW, a cousin of our own Kevin HAYES...we'll see...I think realistically speaking, we're not getting in the top four without giving up one of our top players or prospects...I don't think something like our first and the Bruins first...hell, even BOTH NAMESTNIKOV and SPOONER...will get us in the top three. And just thinking about the teams that are likely to draft at 2 or 3...Arizona, Buffalo or Vancouver...I can't see any of them passing on a guy like Tkachuk. But who knows?

tdchi


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:58 pm EST

mf - The reason no one is answering is because nobody saw him. It was the now-Invisible Man: Ryan SPOONER.

tdchi


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:50 pm EST

I recall Hayes in an interview stating that VESEY played like a PF.. IMO no coincidence that it was VESEY who battled behind the net and fed LIAS for the goal.. I had asked if anyone knew who the other wing was on that line, but in all honesty, I can't wait to see Lettieri's penciled in with those two...

mf


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:41 pm EST

The SHARK I like it!

Pal17


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:21 pm EST

RDW: I have a distinct feeling that Gordo wants to package up one of the firsts to get higher up. And all I know is it better be Tkachuk. My reasoning (besides I only know a few of the players at the top of the draft) for this: he’s actually a year older and just missed the cutoff last season. He isn’t going to be ready in 2-3 seasons. He will be ready in now-1 seasons. And then the rest of the reasons why. I just want the New York Rangers to be built as a team with his banner where he sets the culture and tone. And in all honesty? He is as fun as they come to watch. His brother is a disaster on the ice. I watched him play against SJ close to the glass and I just kept thinking “this guy is an f-in disgrace...” I wouldn’t put it beneath him putting aluminum foil on his hands. If Tkachuk showed up and took a hammer to the side of the plane and said, “now it looks mean...” any talk about the New York Rangers history of being run out of rinks would end. Finally and forever. I just want what my coach used to call, a bunch of red nosed hockey players. A dream to be sure. But, when announcers go over pregames they always talk up the New York Rangers speed and how you have to be careful because they can burn you. I want them to be like the Ducks. Where you have to worry about their speed but they’re also going to bring a bruising style of play.

E


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:06 pm EST

TD what I see in Shark is relentless puck pursuit and energy. He just hawks pucks. He isn’t a dangle thru the legs guy. He’s a dump and chase guy. And while I hate comparisons too much he is sort of shifted into that Mike Richards mold. The guy is inside your jersey every shift. That’s what I like to see, Tenacity is Something that this team needs a lot more of. I grow tired of watching Nemo and Buch prancing around in open space. I get it, that’s how they score. Lias scored the type of goal that they need more of. Pucks deep and crashing the net.

E


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:33 pm EST

My main interest in the return on Nam/Spponer was hoping we could use on of them to move up in the draft. Hopefully that's the case.

Rdw


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:24 pm EST

Well TD, maybe the only good thing is apparently Pionk has wowed with pushback & energy, two things right at the top of their list, even if it's not the most talented guy. They'll get that through trades & free agents until guys like LA & Chytil and this year's no.1. are ready to be frontline players, which is still a few years off, realistically. Nothing wrong with that but, can they put it together?

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:18 pm EST

I don't think you can make any assumptions based on any of these remaining games...I mean, seriously...even taking for granted that PIONK is going to be in the top six...There are two guys I guarantee who will not: SPOUL and O'GARA...and I'm not fully sold on GILMOUR either...So AT BEST, we're looking at half the defense...and then you have mcCLOD...and really, no semblance of any sort of consistent line outside of the first...and depending on who you speak to...a coach who is likely gone at the end of the year. These games mean ZERO. Nadda. Zippo. Nothing. Might as well not even play them. Rangers folded up the tent back in February...I'll give the current players credit: They actually look a hell of a lot better than the lot that cashed it in after KREIDER went down...but that's about it.

tdchi


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:12 pm EST

Hospo I'll tell you this because you know the need to compete. I had a pretty damn grim picture painted for me last night, worse than I expected because I thought we'd at least turned a corner. But hopes & wishes aside, if you look at this team for next year, right now there's little more than 6 forwards and maybe 2 D you can count on, and that excludes Shattenkirk but includes a rookie in Pionk, with an unsettled situation in goal. I'd counter by saying there is opportunity to improve, bigtime, but they have to make that happen yet. In short maybe not far from good but a long way from great. Still some toxic elements that haven't been eradicated.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 3:58 pm EST

All you need to know about Spooner and Namestnikov is that they both have a tendency to disappear..as well as stay on the outside...Things BUCH seems to be learning well this season....Wouldnt miss any of them if they are dealt

Hospo


Tue Mar 27 2018 3:32 pm EST

Rdw - I think the most SPOONER would get you is a second rounder...more likely a third-rounder...possibly a prospect...like a former first-rounder that isn't panning out as expected with his draft team...change of scenery-type guy who will need to be exposed in waivers next fall...I know Boston was trying to move him for a while before he was essentially a throw-in for the NASH deal. The guy's consistency issues are just so well documented. And when Spoons isn't getting on the scoreboard, he ain't doing much...NAMESTNIKOV is a different story...you have a guy who does a lot more on the ice when he's not scoring. I could see them packaging him with one of the late first rounders or maybe a second to move up in the draft...I think his ceiling for success is a lot higher than Spooner's is or every will be...given the two, I think Namestnikov is the one who will be here in September.

tdchi


Tue Mar 27 2018 3:12 pm EST

Rdw I'd guess they're worth a bit more than some might think. Two pretty good players that need decent contracts, they're not old, they've got modest track records and they're versatile. Package one up with a pick & prospect it should return something decent. With the adrenaline having worn off its probably a good bet they both go. But one could probably be useful just the same.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 3:10 pm EST

Vic - I think you're expecting the wrong type of player, re: Lias ANDERSSON. He's not a tank that crushes people. And he's not super-skilled. But what he has is something that you can't teach players, which is impeccable instinct...First time I saw him last summer...both in the WJSS and in Traverse City, I was sort of expecting to see a kid dripping with skill as one could expect for a top-10 center picked as the Swedish U20 captain...and I was pretty darn disappointed...what I didn't recognize watching him was how he has an incredible knack for being in the right place at the exact right time...and sliding in there without anyone noticing until BOOM...puck's in the back of the net...He did it time and time again in the WJCs...and he's been doing it in Hartford too...And he did it last night...I think Ola and I spoke about this during the WJCs...but the nickname 'Shark' is just so fitting for this guy...Just a quiet predator. Though he has some pretty soft hands, he's not the type of guy who goes for the million dollar dangle or who is going to plaster people in the corner...but man, does he LOVE hanging around the net. I can't think of a Ranger center that circles the net...like a shark...I wasn't a fan of the Andersson pick at the time...thought VILARDI, MITTLESADT, or TIPPETT would have been better picks...at the time...and I was of the opinion that they pretty much went off the board...drafted Lias at least six or seven spots over where he should have gone...but in retrospect and having seen some of the guys picked after him play...what the Rangers got was 1. A sure-fire NHLer; 2. A leader with impeccable character; 3. A player who will likely make the team next season; and 4. Someone who sees the game FAR differently than most players. This last piece is why I think Andersson could end up being a star. Again...no one attribute that would wow you...except for that ability to see things happening one or two steps before everyone else. That's huge to have in a kid.

tdchi


Tue Mar 27 2018 2:59 pm EST

Anyone have any idea on what the return would be on trading the rights of Spooner/Namestnikov?

Rdw


Tue Mar 27 2018 2:47 pm EST

MF pay attention & learn from Gary BusEy. Then read all the insightful posts from p.a. ranger, RangerDude, Kis and all the other total NON-CONTRIBUTORS. That'll get you up to speed. Also it'd help to do some shrooms to get on the same wavelength as the surfin' svengali LOL!

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 2:10 pm EST

It took the NHL one day for the Avery rule. So this is normal for them.

Bob


Tue Mar 27 2018 2:09 pm EST

I like busts

mf


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:55 pm EST

MF: he’s a bust. Let’s trade Lisa to Pittsburgh so he can score 5 consecutive series clinchers against the Blueshirts. I mean we needed LeTang more.

E


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:36 pm EST

Gents,good reviews on the game.. cautiously very optimistic on Pionk... Rhet, nice job explaining the rules..... Nickname for LIAS when he fffs up is obviously LISA, and when you disappears, it's Milkcarton

mf


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:14 pm EST

Only a Mickey Mouse league implements a rule with 5-6 games left in the season. WTG NHL!

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:07 pm EST

Rule change approved regarding goaltender interference... starting Wednesday.... guess they couldn’t wait.... about 5 years too late for the nyr ...

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:04 pm EST

Washington is really looking forward to it too lol. They get to pad their stats. Cha-ching!

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:04 pm EST

gggg et al...if you want the nyr to tank, and think hank can do that, why want Georgie boy ? ...they should be trying to lose the last 6......

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 1:01 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 6m6 minutes ago "Today was a really good skate and I look forward to playing tomorrow.” @HLundqvist30 on getting back in net tomorrow against the Capitals, his goals for the final six games of the season and what he's seen from the team's young players.

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:59 pm EST

RF4L... I think we can slip to 7th. The only problem is that we are ahead of the Isles and Oilers with tie breakers. They need to actually be at least a point ahead of us. If we are even with Chicago, they are ahead on tie breakers.... On the other side, I'm also rooting for Winnipeg and Vegas to keep winning so Boston drops a bit further back. We have two picks with them and every bit helps. Bos@Wpg tonight is a big game.

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:33 pm EST

And anywho, the point of my post still stands: The Rangers likely will end up drafting 9th or 10th with an outside chance of slipping down to 8th or 7th but no lower and no higher.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:31 pm EST

Stupid sportsnet.ca

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:31 pm EST

RF4L.... NHL.com shows the NYR's ahead of the Oilers.... https://www.nhl.com/standings/2017/league

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:26 pm EST

Rhet: OK then why does the NHL show Edmonton in the 22nd spot and the Rangers 23rd? A mistake perhaps?

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:25 pm EST

Rhet: I'm sure they spoke with Geo. He'll be back in the fall battling for the backup position and maybe, just maybe, the starter spot. I concur 100% he's earned that right. Very impressive debut and fabulous signing by Gorton.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:25 pm EST

Shoulda sent Lundqvist to Hartford. And have him the wrong address.

Gorton Gekko


Tue Mar 27 2018 12:13 pm EST

lb lurker put all 3 reasons together = you're fired av......add gum chewing behind the bench like an irving moofman cow, and cough drop or throat lozenge clanking bad manners while talking to press for good measure.....why not eat a crepe at the podium with some wine and cheese..and whine ....?.....classy guy .....

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:59 am EST

"But the problem is that this is the way the Rangers have looked for most of the last three years. Mistakes are no more plentiful or ghastly than those committed and allowed by the team when the four replaced veterans with total NHL experience of approximately 1,750 games were in the lineup the first four months. Or no more abundant or egregious than two years ago when Dan Girardi, Dan Boyle, Keith Yandle and Kevin Klein, who combined for about 3,000 NHL games, were the staples with McDonagh and Staal. The chronic issues in the defensive zone will, I believe, be determinative if the Rangers make a change. That, more than the charge that young players don’t develop under Vigneault or that the team needs a different voice, is likely to be the crux of the matter."

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:59 am EST

GEORGE deserves better than to be sent down with that bad taste in his mouth from last night's loss. I guess with Hank ready to play, they'd rather have him starting every day than sitting on the bench. He does deserve to be here.

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:57 am EST

great prank by zucchini and team on the 2 kids coming out all alone to skate ....

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:55 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 3m3 minutes ago OFFICIAL: Goaltender Alexandar Georgiev has been assigned to @WolfPackAHL. Defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk did not practice today and will not return to the lineup this season.

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:55 am EST

This hurts.... per Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Gorton: Shattenkirk is shut down for season. Georgiev back to Hartford

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:52 am EST

IKEA fits for now....stick looks like an Allen wrench....just hope fishboy is shopping in a better place for his replacement parts....maybe Germany to find a Sherman tank Bismark real hockey player .....there's really not 1 tough good hockey player on the nyr, instead they get icloud...et al....brashrear might have been the best they had at that....

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:51 am EST

KInda game I was waiting for .. get behind early and often . to see how those kids respond .. Have to say I was pleased with the effort I the 2n 3rd .. unlike Buffalo , who seemed to "give up" after getting down a couple of goals.. good evidence for the right attitude and character... now we need to fit in a few of the right pieces.. I agree totally on the lack of physicality .. and other teams have taken advantage of how soft our backend is.. going hard to the night without any fear

sjw


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:43 am EST

nice pension....retirement plan....

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:40 am EST

Christian Ehrhoff retires, on Sabres' payroll through 2027-28... http://buffalonews.com/2018/03/27/christian-ehrhoff-retires-on-sabres-payroll-through-2027-28/

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:34 am EST

E the priority is speed so size usually means slow.

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 11:03 am EST

RF4L... That's not the way it works... If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order: ...1. The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).... both teams have played 76... TIED ....2. The greater number of games won, EXCLUDING games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.... TIED (Both teams are tied at 30) ....3. The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any "odd" games, shall be used to determine the standing.... The NYR WIN this tiebreaker. They beat the Oilers in their two match-ups this season (a 2 game series). ...The NYR are ahead of the Oilers in the standings which puts them behind Edmonton in the draft. We are in the 10th spot currently.

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:45 am EST

In honor of OLA I am nicknaming Lias Andersson "IKEA" :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:28 am EST

VIC: I’ve been all around impressed with the level of intensity that Pionk brings. He is a very solid player. I’ve seen him blow coverage a few times too many including last night when he crossed his partner and left his side wide open off a line change. That’s just situational awareness, film study, and chemistry. Sometimes he chases. But he does play a gritty game that’s not as noticble. It’s as if the New York Rangers have a sudden ton of petulant undersized offensive defenseman. The way I look at it going now is that the team is going to have Pionk and Shattenkirk. But they’re going to have to add some size to the defense if they want to win. But nasty guys with good skating and the ability to move the puck are just what the MD ordered. That is why it’s my hope that whatever happened to Smith works out and he comes into camp upright and ready to go. They can really use him.

E


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:27 am EST

Rhet: Rangers are in the 23rd position overall this morning (tied points wise with the Oilers but behind them technically due, as you say, to an inferior number of wins. No lottery, they'd be drafting 9th.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:13 am EST

Ola lias sounds girlie....shark is maybe too much right now, unless he can smell blood and bite to kill...Andy might be ok for now.....

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 10:11 am EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago The New York Chapter of the PHWA announced today that #NYR forward Chris Kreider has been selected as the team’s nominee for the Bill Masterton Trophy, awarded annually to the NHL player who “best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship and dedication to hockey.”

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:56 am EST

Vic, Stevie and Hospo- Please refer to Lias and/or Andersson as the Shark. Thank you.

Ola


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:26 am EST

RF4L.... The NYR's would be picking 10th, not 9th. Edmonton would still be ahead of us due to tie breakers... IE...Tie-Breaking Procedure. If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order: The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout.

Rhet0ric


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:15 am EST

Hospo: I concur about the lack of physicality and I know some will poo-poo this but IMO it starts with the coach and his philosophy. Here's hoping the new coach has a less pacifist mindset.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:06 am EST

BTW, the Rangers loss bumped them to 9th overall in the pre-lottery draft order. I suspect the furthest they could drop is to 7th - Islander and Hawks are 2 points behind them. Next is Montreal who are 6 points behind, probably too much ground to be covered. They are tied with Edmonton and 5 points away from 11th overall - Carolina - and that's too much ground to cover too I suspect. Therefore, it really looks now like the Rangers pre-lottery spot will be 9th or 10th with an outside chance of 8th or 7th.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 9:06 am EST

I dont think HAYES at center last bnight was a big deal as far as the future goes beacuse, as STEVIE said, I think it was just a way of accomodating The Shark and Chytljuice at C....HAYES is defientely a center, nothing else....VIC - As for the Defensive "system". like the last two years, a total disaster...selfish and irresponsible VET forwards..and kids (especially on D) that really dont know better..and a few floaters...Throw that together with the physical weakness of the entire team, and you have a defesive disaster even though most try.....And forget about hitting/checking OV...not one R anger has the attitude to do that

Hospo


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:55 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 12h12 hours ago Filip Chytil registered his first career NHL assist/point. He is the first 18-year-old to tally a point with the Rangers since Manny Malhotra during the 1998-99 season. #NYR ........... NYR Stats & Info ‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 12h12 hours ago Per @EliasSports, Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil are the first pair of teenagers who have recorded a point in the same game with the Rangers since Dec. 18, 1974 (Ron Greschner and Dave Maloney). #NYR

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:51 am EST

stevie: I know logic shouldn't play a role, especially with the Rangers, but it's totally illogical to keep AV on. The leadership core has been gutted - the coach is next.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:51 am EST

Vic how is it that ovie so many times is left alone to fire away ? I know he's good , but there needs to be a better game plan for defending against him.....did anybody hit him ?

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:46 am EST

rf4l i wouldn't bet on that , but i am hoping and wishful thinking. ....be careful what you wish for is not a problem to me.....they need a CLEAN SLATE AGAIN......

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:43 am EST

Vic maybe av is following orders or just wanted the 2 kids to play center at the expense of hazy.....these games don't matter except to the gm to evaluate what he has , needs, and should discard of.....1st conclusion should be the coach, if not fishboy will be filleted by self infliction....an all star roster would lose because of the d disaster.....inflicted by the head coach through 3 d coaches.....and probably 20 d men......

stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:12 am EST

And I'm gonna repeat my mantra: AV will NOT be behind the Ranger bench in September. It's not if, it's how soon after the season concludes that he's officially let go.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 8:05 am EST

Gawd I loath Brooks Oprick.

rf4L


Tue Mar 27 2018 7:59 am EST

I also wanted to add that I really like PIONK. I think he is going to be a real stud for this team for a long time. And while he may not be big he plays with a nice edge to him. He doesn't back down from much bigger players. In fact you can see him really attack bigger guys and actually knock them off balance. He did it to MALKIN, LUCIC and several others. Last night ORPIK took him down in the offensive corner with an extra cross check as the puck had left the area. PIONK got right up and went right at ORPIK. Nice to see. But I really like the way he moves the puck and I think he is going to be an excellent PP QB.

Vic


Tue Mar 27 2018 7:50 am EST

On the positive side, I thought the 1st line had some really strong shifts where they controlled the game. They have done that against everyone since they were put together. If they can play like this next year that has to give you hope for the Rangers having a pretty good team if some other areas can be addressed. After a rough first period for both CHEETOS and ANDERSON I thought both played much better the rest of the way. CHEETOS looked much more ready then he did in October, and this was against a much better team who firing on all cylinders going into the playoffs. I thought ANDERSON had a good first game but I don't see the gritty, physical player that people have raved about. He finishes his checks like FAST does. He isn't afraid to play in traffic or near the net. But I don't see him dishing out much punishment. I don't see him really hitting anyone hard or being difficult to play against like a GALLAGHER type player as I think he has been sold here and elsewhere. I've only seen him in preseason and last night so maybe those qualities are there and I just haven't seen them yet. Time will tell....

Vic


Tue Mar 27 2018 7:42 am EST

Next, there were so many defensive coverage issues last night. It was hard to watch really. And it wasn't all the kids by any stretch. Most of it was from the veterans who made some really poor decisions. HAYES was guilty on the first goal as he moved to close down the middle of the ice (along with whoever was playing left D) leaving OSHIE all alone to walk in and shoot. That was the only goal that I thought PRINCE GEORGE should have had. On the KUZNETSOV goal he had it played right and had his glove in the perfect spot. But when nobody was there to force the shot you could see him start to worry about a pass or other options. That is when the glove dropped and the shot went in right where the glove was. On the PP goal by AO, I just shake my head every time. If I am the coach I put a guy on AO and play the PK 4 on 3. I make someone else score if they can. Because playing the PK straight up fails against the Caps and AO every game. He scores at least one of those goals almost every game against the Rangers. And the short handed goal was just awful. MZA farts and coughs up the puck going into the zone. And I think it was SPOONER and SKJEI failing to take anyone or do anything productive on the lob pass. Just awful defense. And that doesn't count the rest of the golden chances that the Caps had against PRINCE GEORGE and PAVELEC (who played great BTW) the rest of the game.

Vic


Tue Mar 27 2018 7:32 am EST

So, my thoughts from last night......First, just like every other time they have tried it, HAYES sucks on the wing. Doesn't have the speed or quickness to get in on the forecheck fast enough. Doesn't have the speed or quickness to get out to the points AND collapse down defensively. And, when you have him playing the boards you take him away from the strength of his offensive and defensive game, which is making plays in the middle of the ice. Just a bad idea that keeps getting air time with AV. If they don't see a role for him in the middle with the Rangers next year they should move him after the season while his value is still relatively high. If they try to shoehorn him in as a wing for 40 games to start the season next year his value is going to plummet.

Vic


Tue Mar 27 2018 6:04 am EST

The Debbie d system helped Uncle daddy, the nyr d system depends on their goalies to help them . One is boring and the other is a disaster which leads to less offense. The nyr spend way too much time in their zone and have a hard time getting out of it. And that has been for years not just this year. Usually scoring 3 goals 11 of the last 13 would be good enough, that’s why papa John set that so called reward. They should serve the nyr scrambled eggs breakfast lunch and dinner pizza.

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:28 am EST

LB again hits the nail on the head, veenyo and his so called defensive system or lack there of. Hopefully these are his last 6 games as the nyr coach.

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 5:22 am EST

So now the nyr are shark tank ? Are the selling a nyr logo squatty potty ?

Stevielegs


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:10 am EST

People should help to spread Lias nickname, the "Shark", should be more nicknames out there. Can't have too many nicknames. Kramer would agree with me. Could be a Seinfeld episode, Kramer going on a crusade to spread the nickname of a young sport athlete. ;)

Ola


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:07 am EST

We need the Royal Highness to be replaced by a Shark.

Ola


Tue Mar 27 2018 4:06 am EST

Lias nickname is the shark (see end of interview (in Swedish): https://www.svt.se/sport/ishockey/video/videoKlipp-16481598/). Think its pretty fitting.

Ola


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:20 pm EST

HOSPI: I would add Chytil to the physical play area....a little different as he doesn’t look for big hits or anything, but he is not afraid to go to the tough areas and risk getting hit, and he will battles along the wall and down behind the net. He isn’t aggressive physical like hits and stuff, but he is hardly a perimeter soft skill only type guy. He has some good gritty parts to his style of play.

Wildcard


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:53 pm EST

Why the Rangers would fire Alain Vigneault.... https://nypost.com/2018/03/26/why-the-rangers-would-fire-alain-vigneault/

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:30 pm EST

Thank God, there was Chytl and Andersson to watch becasue this is one boring non-physical team...They try. no doubt about it...Even after being down 4-0...but it's all about perimiteer play..and stay away from contact..except for Krieder, Fast and now ANdersson...The Rangers better have 90% of the team on a stregth regimen this summer.....Anyway, nothing bad or jaw dropping from either of the kids, but ANDERSSON looks like he migt be a real breath of fresh air and fun player to watch with his physocal play , attude and skill....CHYTL looks like he has a nose for the net and real good offensive instincts to go with his skill...LIke guys like Hayes before him, he's goimg to have to learn to not be so cute...It will take time if he doesnt get laid out...

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:24 pm EST

Convert

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:23 pm EST

Rangers had some great chances but did not concert

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:07 pm EST

Good game after the 1st period

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:07 pm EST

Geez, did Zuc fall asleep in the D-zone there?

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:01 pm EST

Let's make it interesting boys

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:52 pm EST

How did Vladdy not knock that in?

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:50 pm EST

That was just Marc Staal getting reacquainted with OV.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:48 pm EST

Panthers finish off Islanders 3-0

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:46 pm EST

Chytil & Anderson look good in the second half of this game

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:40 pm EST

CHYTIL TO ZUC

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:39 pm EST

ZOOOOOKKKKKK

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:34 pm EST

And Buffalo just beat the Leafs

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:25 pm EST

ARI 2 TBL 0 end of 2, go figure

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:15 pm EST

Their NYR teammates have to be ready for passes. Chytil and Andersson are much more creative than what they're used to.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:05 pm EST

If that does not give you Chills and goose bumps Rangers fans then you are Worthless...Just saying

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:03 pm EST

Anyone know who was on the other wing with Vesey & Anderson? t/y

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:02 pm EST

ANDERSSOOOYYYYYY!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:01 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... College UFA D Daniel Brickley will this week visit three teams — DET, LAK, SJ — before making a final decision on which one he will sign with. Decision likely coming later this week.... Brickley is also believed to be still considering two other clubs for which no visits are currently scheduled.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:59 pm EST

Ranger Dude, that was a real constructive comment, why you pokin at him?

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:58 pm EST

Rangers have to take their shots when they get them..

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:43 pm EST

Wow. Drive another away you are like a rabid hamster on here sometimes - run that wheel sal run it hard!

Ranger Dude


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:40 pm EST

4-0 it’s only a flesh wound... plenty of game and parts left

Stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:35 pm EST

What does a tall rectangle with an x inside it mean????

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:31 pm EST

Not on Georgiev at all. WTF are you bringing up Chytil and Anderson in an impossible situation. As opposed to waiting to start fresh next year. This is stupid!!!

melvillefred


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:17 pm EST

The Cap should enjoy themselve, because come the offseason, they're toast.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:17 pm EST

Put the pads on Sam Rosen and hide the mask

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:15 pm EST

Skjei was starting to get his mojo back. Not tonight.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:14 pm EST

We are getting Slammed

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:10 pm EST

mf...The sooner they get rid of those two Ass Clowns The Better

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:08 pm EST

Rosen & Dickaletti don't say a damn good thing about the Rangers until they're out of it.... Gorton, please can Micheletti, please...

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:06 pm EST

And Cody McLeod will get one for the win....I cannot stop LAUGHING

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:02 pm EST

Don't worry folks Anderson Shytil and Pionk will tie it up soon

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:02 pm EST

Irving moofman you mean moo moo moo . That’s udder nonsense.

Stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:00 pm EST

Nyr well prepared.... d system par for the course....

Stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:00 pm EST

Prince Giorgio gets pulled 9 minutes in

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:58 pm EST

Girardi would have stopped that, SKJEI's a wimp

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:58 pm EST

Any surprise OV scored with that one???

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:58 pm EST

You have to be patient with young players. Gilmour has to play with Sproul.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:53 pm EST

Prince Giorgio struggling early

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:52 pm EST

two young guy errors left Georgieboy on an island.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:51 pm EST

Caps came to play

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:47 pm EST

Chytil on ice 3 seconds, -1. Gary Busey - and the imaginary friends LOL!

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:41 pm EST

RangerLou: Georgiev

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:40 pm EST

Long enough that he doesn't play for Boston in the post season. Sucks for them,

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:38 pm EST

Is Hank playing tonight?????

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:35 pm EST

Rhet: like long enough so we don't sign him next year?

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:34 pm EST

Legs: way to kick a guy in the Grass while he's down, I just cried through a box of kleenex, KIS says my trade proposals are crazy! Wah Wah Wah Boo Hoo......

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:33 pm EST

The Boston Globe is saying (speculating) that Rick Nash could be out long term.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 6:25 pm EST

Let's go Rangers!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:49 pm EST

Irving moofman is that an udder story? ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjYrski71II

Stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:31 pm EST

Just curious folks, wasn't this huckster/tool, "Polis" booted off this Forum before? Guy's had like 42 different names since he's slithered onto the set!

pa.rangersfan


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:05 pm EST

Im done boys sorry i got into it. Ill just go back to lurking its better for me. dont need to get angry on here . got to much going on and just starting to feel better.

Kis


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:03 pm EST

Hey blowfish I dont come I dont comment on here offten but I do check out the information. I enjoy the comments of many people especially mf ( his crazy trade proposals) hospos bad spelling (like mine) TDCH giving some good scouting reports and info. RF4l good reads and ola info. too many to list. York isnt even on here. I have to much drama in my life to be on here battling a peabrain like you. you know whats funny, just because you play with a hockey puck in your garage doesnt make you a hockey player but if you suck one cock you do become a cocker. you sir are a cocksucker. stew on that because you are a blowfish and always will be one.

Kis


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:53 pm EST

Leslie Treff ‏ @HFNYRangers ..... Tonight's first line--Kreider/Mika/Fast--have 25 pts (13 G, 12 A) in the last 5 games.... 5 players currently on the NYR roster were selected by NY in the first round of four NHL drafts (Andersson, Chytil, Kreider, Skjei & Staal).

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:34 pm EST

some hockey fights should help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyjlZIZVo4c

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:27 pm EST

Legs: watch the milk references

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:26 pm EST

Hospo, put the training wheels back on your keyboard!

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:26 pm EST

Time for milk cookies and meds .... nap ????

Stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:24 pm EST

wow, so much hatred and angst..Makes me yearn for my buddy kitchen1!! JK..

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:21 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... .@filip_chytil and @liasandersson are set to become the first #NYR teenagers to play in the same game since 1974 (Dave Maloney and Ron Greschner).

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:19 pm EST

And FWIW the wall is truly at its best when the New York Rangers suck. That brings out all the characters from the wilderness. It’s the only downside of losing.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:17 pm EST

Lou: just a little malcontent. Just turn on the fan and open the window. Lysol is in the cabinet.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:16 pm EST

Im excited about Anderson and Chytil playing tonight. Also the new lines seem like a go combination cross the board.

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:14 pm EST

We only have 7 games left in our Rangers season. No playoffs this season wallsters.

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:11 pm EST

What's going on with the hatred on this wall WALLSTERS?

rangerlou


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:05 pm EST

And then the real you appears... and the wall goes sideways...

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:03 pm EST

GG, go take a walk away from the screen its a nice day, you're gonna get bounced, don't do that nonsense

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 4:00 pm EST

Fuck you KIS. You contribute nothing here. Just wait for a chance to jump on me. Go suck York's cock you punk.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:57 pm EST

City drivers.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmeBpGghRq0

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:56 pm EST

GG POlis , whatever other name you apply as your moniker. Your personality always shines through. Why. why do you have to attack people. Blowfish, you can bring some good info just dont be an jerk

Kis


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:51 pm EST

GG, there are women who read this Wall, please be a gentleman while you battle, take the high road... Thank you

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:37 pm EST

In order for me to make any sense? Who you talking to you surfer space cadet? Take all your smartass remarks E and pound them up your VAGINA. Idont want to talk to you anymore.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:27 pm EST

Okay GG. In order for you to make any sense at all why don’t we all have the fantasy going that coaches are inherently hostile towards his players. They arent. I’ll leave it like this: ice time is earned. Whether you are in first or last place. That’s how it goes. The best you can hope for is that a coach starts to see that you’re worthy of more ice time. This is hockey. You’re looking into things way too much.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:25 pm EST

E - Unfortunately, my lane is almost always on the wrong side of the road..!!

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:21 pm EST

HOSPO: and you stay in your lane too. I swear if you’d all just finally give me credit for being the genius that I am everything would be okay. Until ten I’ll just piss off

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:06 pm EST

E - I dont know, I think JT MILLER might argue with some of that! Just busting your chops...

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 3:04 pm EST

E the only one talking conspiracy is you. Show who's boss meaning who controls ice time, something AVs always been very particular with. It's one of the few tools a coach has,bits their ultimate weapon, and that's as old as the game itself. For the 4th and final time, civally, theres no time with just 7 games for the back & forth of ice time is earned not given routine. All Im saying is give it. Everyone knows these kids are special, dispense with the formalities, give them 18-22 minutes in all situations. I think most people can get what I'm saying whether they agree or not. It's also wrong to say I don't know what a going on after I just read AVs direct quote. As for the rest of your unnecessarily hostile attitude, piss off!

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 2:36 pm EST

GG: YOU are suggesting conspiracy theories about a coach showing people who is boss. Sorry, but you have no idea what is going on in practice, conversations with players, coaches or anything else. You don’t know if they’ve made a schedule of what they’d like to see in each game. You have no idea what the plan is. Even if there is a plan. It might be as simple as: play well and we will tap you more. Play lousy and we won’t. I mean say I’m being sarcastic but have you ever even sat on a bench and interacted with coaches? You speak as if you have intimate knowledge on topics. Here is what I know. 99% of people here know they’re monkeys who digest hockey and piss and moan about the New York Rangers. Some do it with humor, some do it with frustration. ALL of them will be challenged by someone if they are being conspiratorial. So, say its not that I’m not being nice to you whatsoever. But you need to put more then the slightest bit of thought into what you write. Just keeping it real. You want a conversation? Converse on what you know. Stay in your lane a little. And learn. There are quite a few people who have played the game and been immersed in its culture for a long time and NONE of them would say that a coach needs to show them who is boss. It doesn’t work that way. Especially in hockey culture. When you’re New you have no say on the bench or on the ice. The leadership of the team will bring you along, the coaches will tell you what they want from you and you do it. If you don’t, you get nailed to the bench. If you still don’t? Then you’re back in Hartford. If you still don’t, you get buried on some borderline pickup league 250 kilometers north of Edmonton. That’s how things work. There is no need to whip a player into shape who hasn’t played. This has been the way of the game since forever. Very few players on the New York Rangers would ever question AV about anything he does. He doesn’t need to show anyone who is boss. He is boss, and everyone wearing a jersey knows it. That’s hockey. So yes, it is tinfoil hat time.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 2:19 pm EST

Not to mention, aren't the international tourneys on a bigger surfaces? Chytil just got finished saying he had to re-tailor his game to 200 x 80.That'[s where I want to see his game, and there's only 7 games to do it. Yeah ok E, nice talkin to ya.

Gorton Gecco


Mon Mar 26 2018 2:13 pm EST

TD: Andersson won't be in Sweden's WJC camp - he'll be 20 by the time that tourney is on and therefore, ineligible.

Rf4L


Mon Mar 26 2018 2:02 pm EST

who's going to hit ovie like he hits everyone he can ? .....less than nobody?....wtfu icloud.....

stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 1:32 pm EST

Time off between NHL games? More like 6 months. Later for all that tournament bullshit. Let'em play as much as they want, but it's time to find out.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 1:27 pm EST

GG - Five months off? Try more like a couple weeks. Good chance both of them end up at the World Cup...and even if they forgo that tourney, they'll be back at Ranger rookie camp in July...then I would expect they'd both be in the world juniors camp...and then Traverse City...ain't going to be any shortage of hockey for those two. Maybe the spring if they don't get the call for the Worlds...but that's about it.

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 1:14 pm EST

Me too Gibbo. Unfortunately if E has his way we'll only see Chytil break an ankle blocking a shot on the PK. I mean, why see what they can do on, you know, offense?

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 1:03 pm EST

E you needn't agree but that's 3 very civil answers I have from my side. And 2-3 times you made some smartass remark back. Knock it off.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 1:03 pm EST

Hayes on the wing, should be interesting seeing what the giraffe has in the tank... Also interested in seeing Mr.Wilson, see who is line mates are, and if we consider him as an acquisition target..

mf


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:57 pm EST

Smacks of him showing who is boss? Because he won’t put a kid on the PP? Tinfoil hat time

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:54 pm EST

Smart move playing Mcleod even if he sucks..Not like winning means anything, but the health of the kids do...7 more games and he's gone..but perhaps he can be of some use till then..like the first time Tom Wilson runs one of the pups (and he will, as he should)...Besdies, if he's skating on a line with the scarecrow and, apologies to Boo Nieves, the Invisible Man (love to deal BOTH inj the off-season), he's the best of the three right now....Hayes on wing for Chytl? that should be interesting...

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:53 pm EST

i'm actually looking forward to this game tonight, interested in seeing how the young guys perform

Gibbo


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:39 pm EST

All said about McLeod true but need him in case Caps get overly physical...Wilson and OV very capable of running the kids...Unfortunately Wilson would kick his ass but at least get him off the ice.......

PJ


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:39 pm EST

Let's get to the point E. Until this year when a few guys regressed or didn't really progress, A/V has had a better track record bringing guys along than given credit for. However, this smacks of him showing who's boss, but he's still odds on to be gone. Qeve waited all year, those kids have waited, and in a few weeks we won't be able to put them in different situations. So now's the time. And if The argument is they didn't do it with so&So, that's hogwash. Tom Brady isn't handled the way the last man on the roster is. We're saying these kids are special, they're a huge part of this rebuild, these games don't mean anything else. It should be about them. Now may I see my damn top prospects on the PP plz?

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:37 pm EST

Namestnikov....To the fourth line behind two rookies...Deserves it as he certainly doesn't strain himself any out there....

PJ


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:30 pm EST

I don’t have full faith in anything. But AV despite his mixed record on players thriving under their coaching (and let’s be honest that’s true about all coaches) he does protect his players developmentally.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:06 pm EST

Those kids have 7 games, then 5 months off. I want them experiencing everything. Let them see how hard it is, but I want them relaxed & having success too. Chytl especially. They're offensive players, of course I want to see them in optimal conditions. Maybe you have unbridled faith in A/V, E. I don't.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 11:43 am EST

The fact that McCLOD is still in the lineup is just beyond mind-boggling. He's seriously one of the worst skaters I've seen in a blueshirt...at least since CRACKNELL...in the running for all-time worst. I don't see what purpose he serves...If the Rangers are looking to get a tough guy in the lineup, then they should have seriously gone out and gotten a decent tough guy...That dude has neither a future or a present with this team...

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 11:40 am EST

GG: why don’t you leave the coaching to AV? Just getting PK time in what is really your first game is great. It’s called development. Would you like them to play goalie as well? After all, you want to really want to see what they’re made of?

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 11:38 am EST

Against the Caps? Rangers will be lucky if they get a PP...I'm thinking this could be a very rough introduction for both...

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 11:29 am EST

Desharnais, Holland and Carey scratched...WOOOOHOOOO!!! With a little forgiveness to Carey I hope none of that trio ever dons a Ranger jersey again.

Rf4L


Mon Mar 26 2018 11:02 am EST

Initial reaction to that blurb is typical AV idiocy. Who gives a shit how the PP looks, this season has been over for months. Your own management team said so, unmistakably. A/V likes to spoon feed kids but why not give them PP to show their skills, to have some fun. It's what everyone wants to see, and these kids have a lot on their shoulders going forward. I'd want them going into summer as confident as can be. Nobody gives a hoot if Spooner scores on the PP tonight.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:55 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ..... NYR lines: Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast, Hayes-Chytil-Zuccarello, Vesey-Andersson-Spooner, McLeod-Namestnikov-Buchnevich. AV said Chytil and Andersson might get some PK time. PP units rolling now so unlikely they get PP time.

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:53 am EST

So if we lift a Cup sometime in the next 10 years or so there's a good chance these two kids will play central roles. Never know what happens but for now at least the sky is the limit. Pretty exciting for a run out the string kind of game.

Gorton Gekko


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:47 am EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ @RickCarpiniello ...... So Chytil will play between Hayes and Zuccarello, Andersson will center Vesey and Spooner. Desharnais, Holland and Carey scratched. Georgiev in goal. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:46 am EST

E - I don't agree...First, I'm not saying guys like Pionk and Andersson and Chytl cant stand up for themselves, I'm saying that if I was the other team, I would run their asses as a welcome to the league..And, even if they can take care of themselves, it's always good to have a team response, to look out for the kids, that maybe lessens the crap they have to deal with it..Go far in team building also....Then again, this is the pansified Eastern Conference, so maybe it means nothing..

Hospo


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:41 am EST

VIC: everyone is nervous when they’re about to lose their virginity. There is a moment that you don’t know what you’re doing and it probably ended before you could really process what happened. You give him a few shifts and shelter him on them (AV will do that) and all will be just living the dream.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:40 am EST

Grabner must be real popular with the Devils fans saying things like that...Love it....

PJ


Mon Mar 26 2018 10:35 am EST

HOSPO: I wouldn’t worry about Andersson being run out there insofar as I would be worried about MZA. I’d be more concerned that Andersson would take an ill timed penalty. And that I can live with as long as it’s in the spirit of standing up for himself. He showed at least from what I saw of him in Hartford a pretty aggressive game in his own right. Like Pionk. Pionk has balls. Played straight up nasty in Calgary. Gets right up in the face of Lucic. That’s the kind of hockey player you want Andersson to be like. Just a ton of compete level and not getting caught looking in the moment. In his interviews he doesn’t seem overwhelmed by the moment. But, that’s right up to the point that OV becomes your mark and uses his weight on you along the boards. Let’s just hope he doesn’t turn into St. Lias at that point.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 9:32 am EST

https://nypost.com/2018/03/25/how-a-michael-grabner-reunion-can-work-for-rebuilding-rangers/

stevielegs


Mon Mar 26 2018 8:32 am EST

TD ....Daniel Brickley attended the NYR;s 2015 Rookie Development Camp. I remember being disappointed the following season when he went to Buffalo instead. Also, I would imagine it's because Brickley went to Buffalo's camp that he's not going to the Sabres :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:56 am EST

FWIW, I'm open to the notion of bringing back Grabner, at a reasonable rate of course, but am hoping Nash goes elsewhere. I think the latter has too much dressing influence while the former is truly a complimentary player. Pure musing on my part of course, but just a perceptive I have. Nash will cost more money, too - I'll bet he gets offers like 3 to 4 years at $5,000,0000 per. No way should the Rangers be involved if that's the case.

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:50 am EST

TD: You're correct about the lack of quality netminding. Also, a lack of astute management. Hell, look at the nob architecting the Islanders: Garth - Freakin' - Snow. Didn't that idiot Wang hire him? What's on his resume besides career NHL backup goalie who's most notable accomplishment was wearing shoulder pads that looked like they came off the set of a Transformer movie. I'm no Sather fan but geeesh, I'd take him over that incompetent fool in a New York minute.

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:48 am EST

mf - I don't know about WAHLSTROM...he's committed to Harvard and will almost certainly play there for at least a season...And TKACHUK? Maybe he returns to BU. I know some players will stay an extra year if they see a good chance of winning an NCAA title...but what I can say on both is that yes, they are NHL-ready. And no, I strongly doubt either will spend a day in the AHL.

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:47 am EST

Rhet: Any particular reason you feel Brickley says no to the Rangers?

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:45 am EST

Rhet0ric - I doubt BRICKLEY is coming to the Rangers, but he sure would be a nice addition. Surprised to hear the Sabres are out. I believe he attended their camp last season.

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:43 am EST

E: Great rant from yesterday and I agree. As for CHEETOS and ANDERSON, I'm excited to see them play tonight. CHEETOS played those first few games in October but he was in way over his head. I'm curious to see how much he has developed over the last 5 months of AHL and WJC hockey. As for ANDERSSON, tonight will be his first NHL game. I'm sure both will be nervous.

Vic


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:42 am EST

LB again stating the obvious. And if you see who Gorton has brought in thus far as opposed to simply amassing picks, you can see that he's clearly not expecting to simply draft a new team...What he's doing is surgically transplanting heart into this team...guys like ANDERSSON, HOWDEN, HAJEK and LINDGREN are all leaders...and if you add in CHYTIL, the five have a pretty impressive collection of hardware...Another thing, I tell you what all of those perpetual losing teams have in common: They don't have squat between the pipes.

tdchi


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:23 am EST

agreed

kitchen1


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:19 am EST

So since the Z trade gone from the club in 2 years are: Brassard, Stepan, Raanta, McD, Miller, Nash, Grabner and Holden. From their exits acquired has been: Z, DeAngelo, Name, Spooner, O'Hara, Belesky Lindgren, Howden, Hajek, Rykov, 3 firsts (maybe 2), one of which became Lias Andersson, 3 seconds (maybe 2) and a 3rd. Scratch O'Hara and Belesky I guess but that's 4 NHLers, 5 prospects of varying potential and a boat load of high draft picks. Quite the haul. And more moves to come...

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:19 am EST

Hospo, how would you use Desharnais for protection aginst someone running the younsters? Pick him up and thrown him at the other team? Ha!

NYStranger


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:07 am EST

OIlers on a role - now tied with the Rangers.

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 7:07 am EST

OIlers on a role - now tied with the Rangers.

rF4l


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:54 am EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r47RM2X_NVc ------- Mister Softee is a United States-based ice cream truck franchisor popular in the Northeast. It was founded by William Conway and James Conway (October 30, 1927 – May 28, 2006) in 1956 in Philadelphia and is one of the largest franchisors of soft ice cream in the United States, with about 350 franchisees operating 600 trucks in 15 states. The company is headquartered in Runnemede, New Jersey and is still run by the Conway family, co-owned by cousins Jim Conway Jr. and John Conway.

RF73


Mon Mar 26 2018 5:22 am EST

The only award Lundqvist should get is from Mr. Softee. They can pull the truck right on the ice, and that big ice cream cone head in a suit can thank him for being a primmadonna who whined like a little girl when pulled even though he set new records for ineptitude, then likely refused a trade which screwed us up even further, all for $8.5m. Yeah, he's really something. Da-doom, da-detta da-dum da-dum, da-doom da-detta da-dum.

Gorton Gecco


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:22 am EST

HOSPO: Damn right That was some exciting hockey. It just goes to show you that within the confines of the tightening rule enforcement the game can still be played in an entertaining manner. A lot of skill, desire, and competing. Unlike zone up and snooze everyone to death.

E


Mon Mar 26 2018 12:01 am EST

And I know Cody McLeaod Sucks, but if you are playing Chytl and Andersson. at least have him on the bench if teams try to run them (which I would)..Or, we could just use Desharnais and Holland for protection

Hospo


Sun Mar 25 2018 11:22 pm EST

Why not The King for the award?....Anyways, I watched the Winnipeg-Nashville game tonight...Now that's hockey!..not the shit the rangers have been playing all year, even lately...Passion...Hate...phyiscality..scoring..God, I want a team that can play like that before I die..Hopefully, the bringing in of guys like Andersson, Hajek, Lindgren, maybe CHtyll..will be added to this summer...

Hospo


Sun Mar 25 2018 10:32 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... Some teams who are out on Brickley have been told they are out, BUF amongst them. Three to five teams, to varying degrees, still in the running. All remaining candidates are U.S.-based clubs .....E.... I too was thinking Fast, but you're right, Staal makes more sense.

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 10:18 pm EST

E...Agree on Staal...Had a real solid season....At least the Ranger comeback player of year...

PJ


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:50 pm EST

I was thinking about the McDonald Extra Effort trophy and wondering who on this team showed the stuff. It seems to me that no one stood out exceptionally to me. Fast was Fast but not the standout he had been. It dawned on me that Staal has quietly been Mr. Everything on the blue line. he's had 11 different line mates and yet after a playoff where he was just awful this season he's stepped up a lot. I know fans are going to name someone like Lundqvist but honestly I don't see it. I truly think that he makes a good case. I could make a lesser case for Hayes. But Quickie and MZA probably will get the inside track.

E


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:38 pm EST

Entry Draft Prospect EVAN BOUCHARD a RHS RD https://www.milehighhockey.com/2018/3/23/17135990/2018-nhl-draft-prospects-evan-bouchard-london-knights

mf


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:27 pm EST

Bob McKenzie ‏ Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ....... College UFA D Daniel Brickley is still mulling over his signing options. Will decide tomorrow whether to visit any of the teams pursuing him. In any case, likely to be settled in next few days, if not sooner.

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:23 pm EST

Watched the NJ TBL game last night, that was some goo & entertaining hockey, NJ won 2-1.... Tell you what Lemon Lou is gone, maybe IK is open to going back to NJ, they're greatly improved in a short period of time..

mf


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:21 pm EST

NV94, Happy Birthday dude

mf


Sun Mar 25 2018 9:13 pm EST

The interesting thing with Lindgren is he really throws hits that remind me of Kasparitis. He lines people up, he knows it's a big part of his game. And like Kaspar he's not the biggest guy. The rest of what I saw of him, good mobility, likes to shoot & be involved offensively. Whether the rest of his game comes together I have no idea, these guys all have to play & adjust, play & adjust. But hes a gung-ho kid, so there's something there to work with.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Mar 25 2018 6:48 pm EST

Not much interesting to watch in Rangerland these days, but am also looking forward to watching Andersson and CHtylyy and to see if they can bring soemthing other then the typical Ranger perimeter play....Good stuff on LINDGREN..curous to see him also some day..Have really liked what i have read about him..The Ranger no-contact defense can use somebody like him

Hospo


Sun Mar 25 2018 6:47 pm EST

I turn 35 tomorrow and been “lurking” since 1997. Didn’t have internet at home at the time but the high school computer room. Www.allsports.com/nhl/rangers. Won’t ever forget the URL because it’s the few I knew at the time. Just wanted to say thanks! Can’t believe it’s been sooo long!! Let’s go rangers!!!!

NV94


Sun Mar 25 2018 6:42 pm EST

Awesome!! Let them play with the better competition and learn the ropes!

NV94


Sun Mar 25 2018 6:28 pm EST

Exciting stuff...Congrats to Lindgren....Looking forward to Chytil and Anderson tomorrow night....

PJ


Sun Mar 25 2018 5:50 pm EST

The next one, Ryan Lindgren.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Mar 25 2018 5:49 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ..... "I'm ready" - #NYR prospect Lias Andersson on his call-up to the Blueshirts ....also.... per New York Rangers ‏ Verified account.... "I've played with confidence here. I think that's the most important thing to my game; be confident and play my best." @filip_chytil has thrived with @WolfPackAHL during his first season in North America: https://nyrange.rs/2pFXMc5

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 5:19 pm EST

He's having a pretty good day.... per the Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .......Wolf Pack Goal! ....Ryan Lindgren scores his first Wolf Pack goal to put the Pack up 3-1. #HFDvsHER

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 4:36 pm EST

Ryan Lindgren get his first point for the Pack, he had an assist on Vinni Lettieri's 20th goal of the season.

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 4:31 pm EST

Wonder Twin powers activate? ...It's official... per the New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forwards Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil from @WolfPackAHL.... Andersson, 19, was selected seventh overall, in the 2017 NHL Draft. Chytil, 18, was selected 21st overall, in the 2017 NHL Draft. Together we welcome @liasandersson and @filip_chytil.

Rhet0ric


Sun Mar 25 2018 4:31 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ @RickCarpiniello 23m23 minutes ago Rangers announce Filip Chytil and Lias Andersson have been recalled from Hartford. Both should play vs Washington Monday at MSG #NYR

stevielegs


Sun Mar 25 2018 4:30 pm EST

OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled forwards Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil from @WolfPackAHL.

stevielegs


Sun Mar 25 2018 3:01 pm EST

Papa John discount 11 of last 12 games ... eat up ...

Stevielegs


Sun Mar 25 2018 2:33 pm EST

It's easy to argue all those teams had the goaltending they needed when they needed it. Jonathan Quick was a 3rd rounder - and outplayed his counterpart, arguable the biggest difference in the series.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Mar 25 2018 1:43 pm EST

Hard to argue with evidence kings hawks and penguins have most of the recent cuos and all have key players drafted in top 5. To argue otherwiae is just that to me. To argue

Ranger Dude


Sun Mar 25 2018 1:30 pm EST

Takes more time to draft a #1 pick and not rush them to the nhl than trading for one or signing one as a ufa. All 3 methods have their pros and cons, the trick is for them to understand what it takes and means to be a professional hockey player in the NHL, and learn the tricks of the trade. There is more than one way to skin a cat whatever that meant and more than one way to scale a fishboy fillet. He’s the guy in the frying pan now. He has put the spotlight on himself with the help of his 2 bosses and his coaches, scouts , etc.....I prefer the express route over the local shuttle approach. If being a gm was so easy I can name 10 wallsters who think they can do the job, but I won’t.....just curious as to if and when veenyo will break up fkz line ?????...

Stevielegs


Sun Mar 25 2018 1:10 pm EST

I think RangerDude should decide LOL. I've always thought it's more about having all the ingredients of a great team, where they come from is secondary. It is all highly subjective because there is no clear cut way to build. You do everything you can, but one big problem just looking at the draft is by the time you complete the puzzle it's almost time to start over, especially now seeing careers shrink. Hell you could do a seminar on the NYR-LA finals alone, and come away saying the Kings had those prime guys in Kopitar up front & Doughty. But, in a series that we all know was far closer than most 5 game series, I think I could make a compelling case that what pulled LA thru all those comebacks was DRUGS! They were all cranked up, no wonder!So I think perceptions are all over the place on it.

Gorton Gekko


Sun Mar 25 2018 12:48 pm EST

I think the perennial loser theme being used to show how bottoming out doesn’t lead to success is missing the bigger point. Each of these teams have drafted an elite player like an Eichel to a generational talent like McDavid. What they haven’t done is an effective job building the team around them. Within a team concept. Complain as we may about the way the New York Rangers built their team in recent memory but it was built to be fast. Up and down the lineup. And the coaching philosophy reflected this. The Pens bottomed out but people also forget that they’ve had mainstay players who some of which have come and gone that were quality, a