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Tue Oct 17 2017 11:29 am EST

D'angelo 1st pair D-man..Desharnias 2nd C...Hayes the defensive center with sharpshooter Fast and the confused Vesey...Grab's speed and Buch's skill on the 4th line with that passing maven Cigar Store Cracken at center...Down the middle: ZBAD-DESHARNAIS-HAYES-CRACKNELL....Yikes....You couldn't have made this shit up if you tried!!!

Hospo


Tue Oct 17 2017 10:04 am EST

DeAngelo made good decisions with the puck?....Watch what the Pens do to little Anthony....

PJ


Tue Oct 17 2017 9:31 am EST

No end to the craziness and stubborness from AV..AYFKM with DelAngelo???? if it wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious..

Hospo


Tue Oct 17 2017 9:09 am EST

There you have it, AV married to Macaroni Deangelo. AV should play Deangelo on the 4th line since he likes his offense so much

mf


Tue Oct 17 2017 8:56 am EST

Vigneault on line juggling: "I'm going to get the continuity once I get the results. Two 5-on-5 goals in 5 (of the) games is not doing it." After 6 games, the time for experimenting should be coming to a close (both with the forward lines and d-pairs). Review the game tapes and come up with combos that have been and should be good together. Then stick with it for four games. Revaluate after game 10. This constant juggling within games and between games has become counterproductive. AV needs to show some confidence in his decision making and his players and give things a chance to develop. The impatience and expectation of immediate results to me sends a message of panic and indecisiveness. Make a plan and stick with it for more than 20 minutes! Immediate results be damned.

VtRanger


Tue Oct 17 2017 7:53 am EST

Rf veenyo is like Groundhog Day, same stories different year. He’s going nowhere unless fishboy knows the team quits on him . No checkmark, he’s gone.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 17 2017 7:40 am EST

God help us all

rangerlou


Tue Oct 17 2017 7:40 am EST

Ohhhhhh Boy!!!! We get a platter of Cindy and his merry men in tights

rangerlou


Tue Oct 17 2017 6:42 am EST

stevie: He liked 98% of a player's game for 45 minutes, meaning he didn't like 16 minutes of that player's game. That's approximately 1/4 of the game. Doesn't that describe how his entire team plays for him, for like the last 2 years?

rF4l


Tue Oct 17 2017 5:42 am EST

Veenyo is a good and patient coach who gets the results his gm wants, a checkmark. But he makes it an ordeal. He’s almost never ready for the regular season probably on purpose so they won’t fire him. I would think he’s on the hot seat just like guys playing for a contract. If the players want him gone , they will keep losing. Otherwise the nyr will continue their famous chacha .

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 17 2017 5:38 am EST

“He’s got money in the bank,” Vigneault said. “I don’t mean money in the real money, but the way that he’s played in the past. It’s different than a young player trying to establish himself. The young player has to get money in the bank. Shattenkirk has played in tough moments. I’m looking at his game [from Saturday] right now, and for 45 minutes, I really like 98 percent of the things that he’s doing.Then there’s a couple gap issues that are causing our team chances for the opposition. But he’s on the right path. ”

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 17 2017 5:37 am EST

Vigneault did decide to keep DeAngelo on the top pair with captain Ryan McDonagh for Monday’s practice., and likes the offensive talent of the 21-year-old. “He had some real good moments, some real good decisions with the puck,” Vigneault said “There’s no doubt that upside is there.” ......

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 17 2017 5:13 am EST

Buch horrible on the right wall on the PP thus far. Maybe AV sees a different guy in practice -but he has been bad the past 3-4 games there.

PUCKYOU


Tue Oct 17 2017 2:22 am EST

mf- Yeah I think Pionk is ready. Chytil? I rather see him play a month in HFD at least, and then reconsider if he does well. Was much much better on the PP than the average 5 on 5 shift, he got it in him but but the 9 to 5 shifts are still a bit questionable.

Ola


Mon Oct 16 2017 11:06 pm EST

Here is the under (whelming) taker Dylan McIlrath getting pounding more times than the Moofulator by Stevie on the weekend in Cherry Grove.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=Hu6i-ODCHf0

tradestar28


Mon Oct 16 2017 10:55 pm EST

Too bad MSG is the worlds most quiet arena now. Washington, Montreal, Pittsburgh, heck even barclays is louder. Too bad. What the heck happened?

vcp1994


Mon Oct 16 2017 9:25 pm EST

Hospo: Well there you go. Two years of mediocrity under AV. It'll be three years if he's not fired. The icing on the cake for me is it's all the wondrous fun is nicely wrapped up in a wimpy-assed horrible to watch whistle to whistle, turn the other cheek philosophy. We're in another sad Ranger era of which there are many.

rF4l


Mon Oct 16 2017 8:33 pm EST

OK, I went back and checked..I didn't realize how close I was regarding the failings or mediocrity of AV as a Ranger coach RECENTLY..As, I mentioned befroe, since deadline day of 2015 they have been a .500 team except for the opening Blitzkrieg Bop opening month of last season.....Oops, I missed it by One game...The Ranger during that span are 54-55 (47-45 regular season and 7-10 POs)....Is that really a good job??????

Hospo


Mon Oct 16 2017 7:56 pm EST

Gorton's job on defense is incomplete.... get a 2nd RHS into the mix & my choice dujour is PIONK...... Deangelo is too offensive minded for my liking at this time, but may not be for AV.... This kid is a newbie in the NHL and on the NYR, I want a more conservative defense first game out of the kid, but who knows what his marching orders are from AV...... Short of PIONK I'd try SKJEI on the RHS 1st or 2nd pair,m put SHATTY on the 1st or 2nd pair, let SMITH play RHS 3rd pair

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 6:12 pm EST

RF4L - I can't argue with you about AV..I was way before most in wanting him out after the spring of 2015 where he and the entire team collapsed....Other then the hot month at the beginning of last year when the team wasn't ready for the Ranger's long game, this has basically been a .500 team since the deadline of 2015...I can't understand that people don't see this and how's AV's style and game hasn't really worked in a long time........Personally, if you look around the leagues, as is the R angers are talented enough to be a PO team (5-8) WITH THE RIGHT COACHING...Then we get to the other blockhead in GORTON who despite picking up a solid, if defensively flawed PP man, has only gone half way (no center) and given this team (SO FAR) zero chance of being a Cup CONTENDER......THAT SUCKS...Go for it...or...punt..nto thie MOR crap to get one round of POs..Ehhhhh

Hospo


Mon Oct 16 2017 5:56 pm EST

Hospo: Your points are valid IMO. I still say this starts with the coach. You see a stupid defensive gaffe from Z, you spend time in the video room with him before the next game. You it again, you do the same then warn him a 3rd time is unacceptable and repercussions are imminent. It happens a 3rd time, his ass is parked on the end of the bench ala the Chytil treatment. Not AV. He's got a few favourites he punishes but far too many are never disciplined. The result? Long stretches of indifferent, lousy play over and over and over again by the entire team. Of course I'm simplifying here and it's far more complicated than that (re personalities, team chemistry, alleged leaders, etc) but allowing players to continually make mistakes unaddressed over an extended period of time and this is what you get. To me, it's a mess. It's been a mess on and off for over 2 years now. The Rangers could very well right their ship at least to a point where they aren't languishing with the bottom feeders but I see ZERO reason to anticipate anything better than a season long struggle for a PO spot and if successful, gone after the 1st round if nothing substantial is done.

rF4l


Mon Oct 16 2017 5:42 pm EST

Vic: Define good season....

rF4l


Mon Oct 16 2017 5:39 pm EST

VIC - Sorry, I've been watching the centers play..THEY SUCK....If not THE problem...part of the problem...I will admit it's TEAM wide...Wings and Centers at he forefront..But I like a team strong down the middle, so I key on that....Other then the PP, ZBAD has been worthless, plays the game like a wing and on the perimeter and once a game makes a selfish moronic defensive play at the opponents blue line and allowing an odd man break...Hayes, while skilled, is a pussy physically despite being big, not on the same page with his wingers, and just as likly to hold onto the puck and circle and run out of room/give up the puck as he is to make a good play (he has made some)...and still a slacker defensively...Desharnais?? as a 4th center. no problem......IMWO, this is when these guys should be excelling, I don't even want to see them late in the season ..I even looked at the Corsi and Fenwick to see if it bore out something i wasn't seeing but basically, what CORSI and Fnwick show is that the entire team is terrible right now...and it is.....One thing, I gotta give the centers credit for their work at the FO circle..They have been good....But obviously we aren't holding on to the puck enough

Hospo


Mon Oct 16 2017 5:14 pm EST

RF4L: Agreed. I do think the Rangers will rebound at some point and have a good season. The alternative is too depressing to think about......

Vic


Mon Oct 16 2017 4:57 pm EST

OLA: thanks for the input on PIONK & CHYTIL.... In your opinion, is PIONK ready to be called up to the big club? thanks

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 4:41 pm EST

Vic: Yep and that's what you get when you trade away high picks like candy and never bottom out. Competitive (usually) but not good enough. If the losing continues it sure will be interesting to see what moves are made - more treading water or an actual rebuild? If I had to bet I know where I'd (reluctantly) put my money...

rF4l


Mon Oct 16 2017 4:22 pm EST

Thanks guys! Dug around some more with the tips you gave me and I think the original was "put a little angle on it" in pool to get the ball spinning and then it was turned into put a little english on it. :) I was watching a replay of HFDs game against Springfield (someone just hit the top of the glass with a clear and the commentator called that he "just managed to put enough english on it to hit the glass"). ANYWAY Pionk and Chytil was really really good. Sure Chytil is a little lost, but he also flat out domianted. 3 pts.

Ola


Mon Oct 16 2017 4:18 pm EST

HOSPO: The narrative that the Centers suck and haven't been creating chances for the wingers just doesn't hold any water. This team has had boatloads of chances in just about every game. And I'm not talking about low percentage shots. I'm talking about breakaways, odd man rushes and point blank shots and rebounds from the slot with half the net open. They just don't have the kind of top end talent that can score consistently with those kinds of chances. They don't have any snipers (especially on the wing) who can see a small opening and bury it. They have a lot of guys who can skate, handle the puck to some extent and move the puck. What they don't have are guys that are a threat to score anytime they touch the puck in the offensive zone. And yes, it all goes back to not ever being in a position to draft guys like that, and when they were they blew it (drafting MCILRATH instead of TARASENKO). I still maintain that they lost the Cup against the Kings because they just couldn't score. They had so many chances to put those games away or win them OT and they couldn't hit the net. They would get at least 2 or 3 high quality scoring chances for every one that the Kings got but the difference was that the Kings buried theirs at a much higher rate. The same goes for the Ottawa series last year. The Rangers created FAR more high quality scoring chances then Ottawa. They couldn't score and put Ottawa away and then ended up giving up goals on low percentage scoring chances the other way. It was a back breaker. There is no fix for it besides gutting the team and starting over again. This is what they are......like it or leave it. THANKS SATHER!!!!!

Vic


Mon Oct 16 2017 3:32 pm EST

Some Line Combos ala Cue-ball: VESEY / Z’BAD / BUCHNEVICH …….. (give you a PF on the line, 1 RHS, and hopefully the 3 develop some offensive chemistry and are defensively responsible) ….. GRABNER / HAYES / MILLER …….. (they clicked last season they can click again. There’s enough experience here that these should be able to reestablish chemistry.. you have a play-making center, a gritty PF wing, and breakaway speed. Unfortunately its 3 LHS) …….. KREIDER / DESHARNAIS / NASH on the RW …….. (I’d like to see Nash & Kreider play the RW, think it will help Kreider finish on the breakaways, and I think Nash’s strongest offensive threats come from the RHSide, but for this line, we’ll shift Nash to the RW and leave Kreider on the LHS….. This line gives you breakaway speed on both wings, a defensive conscience, and DESHARNAIS is a decent set-up guy) ………. FAST / CAREY / LETTIERI……… This should be a very adequate and aggressive 4th line, gives us 2 RHS, good on the fore-check & defensive responsibility. IMO LETTIRI is the Black Ace of the pre-season……………

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 2:54 pm EST

HOSPO--I guess it is the eye of the beholder. I thought, from what I have seen that Buch has been stronger, much better at puck protection and setting up teammates. He does not shoot enough. But somebody had to make room for Jasper in the top 6. mihgt as well be him, I guess.

Bob


Mon Oct 16 2017 2:48 pm EST

Ola the right guy answered you . That’s Irving cue ball who’s been hit with a cue stick and an eight ball that he now lives behind . They call him scratch and sniff. He thinks a pool table is green from getting balls knocked all over it. And he knows why a fire engine is red. The guy is a genius who they threw out of Brooklyn. And pool is where they use the term put a little English on it . Irving ‘s first language is unknown and uncola. He drank too much electric koolaide back in his day .

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 2:38 pm EST

NYSTRANGER - FAST and Desharnais--AV's pets.....BOB - last wekk people were saying how Fast on the 4th line yadda yadd...My response was NO WAY...Maybe BUCH maybe Vesey maybe Miller..never FAST.Well, we've already seen Miller and Buch!!..OTOH, BUCH has sucked...just like 3/4's of the team......but hey, if your CENTERS SUCK at ES, the Wings aren't gonna be any better! SHould be fun against the PENs tomorrow!!

Hospo


Mon Oct 16 2017 1:55 pm EST

Dijonaise =the new Eric Christenson. Av's cure-all, apparantly.

NYStranger


Mon Oct 16 2017 1:31 pm EST

Well I guess the crappy record is Buchnevich's fault. He is demoted to the 4th line. Sure must not be Desharnais' fault. He keeps getting promoted.

Bob


Mon Oct 16 2017 1:29 pm EST

Anytime I see or hear the word Ziba or Mika with the words "top line" I cringe.....Ditto with just hearing the name Desharnais

Hospo


Mon Oct 16 2017 1:17 pm EST

Stevie: any mention about AV rollin 7/11 ? Because that sh_t's got to go save for a rare playoff game situation... (Candyman Deadheads)

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 1:09 pm EST

Brian Heyman‏ @bheyman99 31m31 minutes ago Vigneault on line juggling: "I'm going to get the continuity once I get the results. Two 5-on-5 goals in 5 (of the) games is not doing it."

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:50 pm EST

OLA: it's usually used as, "to put some spin or curve on a ball or projectile," sometimes involving some contortion of the body to do so." ... Where and how the term originated though calls for a little research: (when you figure it out, please share :->)... http://www.word-detective.com/2010/03/english-on-a-ball-etc/

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:42 pm EST

What does “just enough English on it” refer to?

Ola


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:38 pm EST

Legs: The only thing running at Warp 9 around here is your, "cryptometer." I said son, "what on earth are you talking about?" Kids these days.......

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:29 pm EST

Irving -dick Tracy let it crawl.....the tortoise and the hare nyr....your female part av has that line generator at warp 9....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:26 pm EST

Brian Heyman‏ @bheyman99 35m35 minutes ago The #Rangers are practicing with a top line of Mika centering for Nash and Zucc.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:24 pm EST

NYStranger: he was probably digging night crawlers so Gorton can catch some Blue Gills, or was that Big gills?

mf


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:14 pm EST

Stevie posting at 4:59am? The DT of the Wall? Been pretty quiet around here concidering the 1-5 start. Apathy would be Dolan's one fear...

NYStranger


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:05 pm EST

nyr in 30th place 1-5 with 2 whole points out of 12,.... 31st is the derrick step-an coyotes.....0-4-1 with 1 point out of 10 ...company sjs and edm with 2 points out of 8....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 12:00 pm EST

"6. Is it premature to call this a five-alarm blaze? Perhaps, and that is up to you, but be aware the Rangers have started 1-6 only once in franchise history. That was in 1960-61."

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 11:57 am EST

for the missing links....including Irving dick Tracy.....http://nypost.com/2017/10/15/players-must-take-responsibility-for-rangers-disastrous-start/

stevielegs


Mon Oct 16 2017 4:59 am EST

“ Ryan McDonagh said on Saturday that this group of Rangers is not going to quit and that he knows that to be a "fact." McDonagh said that the Rangers need to keep working, trust their system and play a game with more edge and more desperation. He added that this group of players understand that their recent play is not good enough and that if they don't then "something is wrong." McDonagh said, "our group expects more individually and as a team. We are going to find a way to get through this and that is the only way to go about it." Rick Nash said, "it's easy to point fingers right now and get on top of each other. But good teams get through things like this and come out even better." (NYR Game Notes) Adam Rotter: The push that this team has shown when trailing, except in Columbus, and the moments where they have actually played well are why there is every reason to believe that once the Rangers win another game they can string 2-3-4-5-6, or more, wins in a row and completely flip the script on the start of this season. For that to happen though the Rangers need to manage the puck well as they come up the ice and then find a way to convert on a few more of the chances they are generating.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:51 pm EST

If fishboy grows Big gills , it will probably be lindy Ruff getting the job with veenyo and ahkneel being shown the door . ... where is beukaboom in Siberia?

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:38 pm EST

At the Ducks-Sabres game. Sure wish Rasmus Ruotsalainen was on the Rangers.

Bob


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:23 pm EST

VCP - It's not that AV is a BAD coach..The shelf life of NHL coaches is like 2-3 yeaers..He's way past that..His style of game, motivation and leadership no longer seems to with this team if the 2nd half of the last two years and early this season is any indication..Maybe they don't need a "GREAT" coach but somebody more in synch with the team and that knows waht style of game it can or should...KInda like the way SULLIVAN worked out in PITT,,Nit a grat coach but a good match...OTOH, do we trust GORTON to make the right choice if that time comes

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:39 pm EST

MF: No, I mean that neither of those guys will have a career with the Rangers. Together in their first stint as Ranger property they will not combine for 20 games.

Vic


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:15 pm EST

RF4L: Tell me...whats the difference PRIOR to the first cup win? Inform me on how the talk about him wasn't the same...because if you say so your just uninformed or lying. AV has better numbers in his career compared to Quinville for the first 10 years behind the bench...those are facts...so sorry to disappoint you. I use Coach Q because the same stuff was said, that he isn't a cup coach, he will never win one, he is a regular season guy. He isn't as good as his record...all the same crap that is spouted about AV. Well Q won a cup and suddenly all those morons had to start other excuses...and they had to because they were not big enough people to admit they were wrong. If AV wins a cup the same crap will happen here. You can compare coaches with numbers, AVs numbers are better, he went deeper in the post season faster than Quinville. Why is that such a bad comparison? Why is it that it can't be done? Explain it....and you can't use the cup victories, be cause thats not the first 10 years of his career. Thats what I was comparing. You can't do it without going to a made up world....

Wildcard


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:05 pm EST

OMG...AV is Quennville? Or nearly? Lolololol.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 7:54 pm EST

Ugh... don’t even utter the name Sutter. Talk about a guy obsessed with plodding hockey from the 1970’s. He wants a team that spends the whole game kicking pucks along the walls and getting into fights. He needs to stay on the shelf to gather dust.

E


Sun Oct 15 2017 7:24 pm EST

vcp: DOnt forget, Quinville was talked about the same way. His regular season numbers prior to his first cup were worse than AV. Granted AV is a year behind Q for his first cup, but he got to a cup final and out of the 2nd round quicker than Coach Q did in his career. Your not a cup winner until you become one, so if he gets one this year (not that I am saying that will happen) then he will be in the same category as the rest of the cup winning coaches. Just food for thought....just becsaue AV hasn't won a cup behind the bench yet doesn't mean he wont win one, or a few.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 15 2017 6:36 pm EST

And the soap box continues. If the go 1 and 9 then the can fire AV. There are no other good coaches out honestly. Who is a better regular season coach? He is in the top 10 for sure. Cup coach obviously not. There are none out there. Sutter ? he has won 2 cups, unsure. Sather is still ultimately to blame.

vcp1994


Sun Oct 15 2017 6:05 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZC9idbMyM4

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:52 pm EST

Doc: "and if I say to you tomorrow ". what is ..... and what shall never be

Stepunmytoe


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:22 pm EST

a poem dedicated to the 2017/18 rangers it is what it is, it never was. what will be will never be , what could have been.

docjay


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:21 pm EST

Vic, yes sir... Was that for this season only?

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:19 pm EST

CryptoLegs: submit your résumés... You're hired! Let's see if we can get you $4.35 mill

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:18 pm EST

MF: I'm sorry, did you agree to the 20 games combined bet for GRAVES and DAY? If so I'll post it on the rfccjc.com site.

Vic


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:48 pm EST

Irving Dick Tracy, the nyr go nowhere with veenyo at the helm in the playoffs.

stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:46 pm EST

Rf4l: yes MCDONOUGH is a really, really good defenseman. I would expect a major haul in return.

Pal17


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:44 pm EST

Just sitting at home on a lazy Sunday afternoon watching the NHL network and there I am on TV! June 9, 1994 outside the garden and someone made a aluminum foil Stanley Cup that was getting filmed in front of me.

Pal17


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:33 pm EST

Sean Day Highlights: fast forward to the 3 minute mark of this 6 minute clip... This kid like to operate from the right side of the ice & cut in when attacking.... In one two years max Graves and Day could theoretically be our home-grown 3rd pair behind McD, Shat, Skjei, and smith or Pionk... Staal & Holden will be gone, & with the hometown kids coming up we can renew Skjei & McD to their next contracts. Doubt very much we get a wiff at the #1 pick, but if Tkzchuk is still there at 3 or 4, you got to get him. We need not watch a rerun of the Draisaitl draft...... Sean Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2MwW9mwYZc

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:23 pm EST

don't see us getting a top line center, "maybe" the odds will increase around the trade deadline, however, I do believe we can compete and go deep without one.........

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:45 pm EST

RF4L - yes, I don't have "the faith" but I have been wrong before and season's get turned around all the time...especially with teams like the Rangers that have talent but not the coaching and/or are missing one key piece..Do everything you can and fight until the death to win now..SCREW TANKING and SCREW DAHLEN..That's a quitter and loser...some people can relate to quitting and punting a season in the first few months...Not me....Ditto with doing nothing and twiddling your thumbs like Gorton has since July.....A fire sale is a whole different story when, despite all efforts, the season is done way too early and you try to improve the team for now and the future with whatever assets you have..

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:30 pm EST

Hospo...agree it's too early for a firesale. But like you I've not much faith in this team as built currently (including the coach). I am certain some wins are imminent but in the end what's accomplished? A dog fight for a PO spot then if successful a quick bouncing. What's the point?

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:21 pm EST

Hospo tank, otherwise there will be a fire sale ala Leetch...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:18 pm EST

the nyr have shown how bad they can be, just like they did against Ottawa..and probably will be if they make the playoffs..if the are keeping veenyo, they have to tank.......get dahlen hopefully, then fire assvipe....he has to go.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:15 pm EST

Irving stop being a redundant Richard dick Tracy...

stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 3:03 pm EST

SCHNEDW - ANy team that tanks or dives, is not my team any more.....There's other ways of staying on TOP--having a good GM and coach is at the head of the list...OTOH, I'm not saying not to deal vet assets if and when the season is a lost cause..And I don't mean punting after 5-10 games..This team will straighten out as is, but not enough to be really good..That's where the GM and coach comes in..

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 2:51 pm EST

So LB starts his latest article by blaming the players and absolving the coach. Then he proceeds to question (rightly so) how the players are being used. Huh? He sounds as befuddled as the Rangers...

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 2:44 pm EST

Pal...except that McD is a top 2 dman; Yandle isn't so McD should fetch more. Just musing here of course. Too early for such a move. However, if this is how the season is gonna go for sure McD should be shopped.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 2:31 pm EST

https://youtu.be/OMig8EbUFx8

docjay


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:39 pm EST

Rf4l: I agree with you on MCDONOUGH. it would be similar to when AZ traded YANDLE at the deadline with another year left. MSL deal also

Pal17


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:35 pm EST

schneidw: I would add trading MCDONOUGH to that plan.

Pal17


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:26 pm EST

GORTON PLAN: Ever think the NYRs Master Plan: (1) Tank for high #1 Draft Pick in 2018 (2) Trade impending UFAs Nash, Grabner (3) Evaluate buyouts of Staal and/or Lundquvist (4) Sign Tavares (5)

schneidw


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:14 pm EST

I think it’s worth mentioning that the rapid decline of Kevin Klein the last two seasons he was with us, perhaps beginning with the broken bone in his upper arm as a result of taking a shot by OV, and how it affected our defensive Corps as a whole since then…… During Klein’s prime with the NYR’s we lost a real good 2nd pair RHS defender who was able to step up to 1st pair on occasion with McD…. He scored some key and gwg’s……… So last year we lose him and buy out Girardi and replace them with only one RHS In Shattenkirk……. Shat cost nothing but money, and it’s looking more and more obvious that we need to get a 2nd RHS Defenseman into the mix…… Deangelo is not looking like that guy….. Let’s get PIONK up here and give him 5-10 games, OR, let’s package a bunch of defensive prospects for a RHS defenseman…..

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:57 pm EST

_Arc: Nobody called you out or singled you out... I was hoping that the particular reference to AV as part of a female anatomy would have run it's course, it hasn't, so I stepped up to the plate and requested that the men of The Wall be a little aware that the Women of The Wall may find it offensive... There are area's where it's cool to push the boudaries (like a bit of profanity) and there are areas where it's not, like in refering to women's body part's. Can we get a little common sense & courtesy here?

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:44 pm EST

RF: If you're structuring a trade which includes McDonagh (our captain) I'm thinking it must be for a 1st line center, not a 2nd line center.

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:42 pm EST

Rasmus Dahlen: Defense (RHS) https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/player/rasmus-dahlin/27163/

mf


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:35 pm EST

I am pondering shopping McD cuz 1) The Rangers need to continue to redo the core 2) I'm not sold on his C material 3) In July 19 he's an UFA and will command a huge new deal.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:20 pm EST

E - Can't say I agree..Yes, there are signs that they are the worst team in hockey..and signs they can be a real good team...But it takes so much more to be that good team then just playing a simple KISS game..But that is the start......I just don't think they have the personnel at C nor the coaching and leadership to be that team any more..But, i also think both can be rectified

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 12:12 pm EST

rasmus dahlin is a generational player : like a mcdavid, like a crosby , like a bobby orr . from the limited view ive seen of him , granted they are only highlite videos,howver he impresses me more than any defenseman at a similar age . as he 17 yo he compares very favorably to bobby orr and hes the same type of player that orr was not your typical swedish defensman that relies on finesse , this guy plays super physical and can take over a game with his skating and offensive skills . if there ever is a year to tank this is it , and frankly i dont think the rangers need to tank , theyre just a teriibly constructed collection of mismatched players who as a whole lack identity and intensity and desire . so its quite likely they finish in the lottery even without tanking .

docjay


Sun Oct 15 2017 11:56 am EST

RF- I don't think we need to go all out for a 1a Centerman. Prob do just as well to get a proper 3c (Ballsack- there u go Mf I'm equal opportunity u little snowflake) so that AvaGina can stop using Hayes as his 'Defensive zone' center man would do wonders I think. But then again, who knows what he would do either way. I'm sure in his mind the return of his beloved Quickie is gonna make it all better. The thing that gets my goat is that half this wall saw this comn and these dipshits that are supposed to be professionals just sat on it (kinda like the assholes in the Giants front office sat on that O line)!!!! In any case, I feel like that control tower officer from top gun after maverick buzzed the tower; "I want some heads god dammit". Mf- FYI I said 'heads' not 'head' okay? Is that okay? I think it is but with you pc people I never know ;). But seriously, fuck off! I want some heads god dammit.

_Arc


Sun Oct 15 2017 11:40 am EST

Hated losing Lindberg and I admit not shedding any tears over the Stepan trade...Didn't know the plan ended with adding Desharnais and that is it at center....Of course we are horrible....Then to help keep the puck out of the net which was a huge problem we add DeAngelo and Shattenkirk....Just not a good team...

PJ


Sun Oct 15 2017 11:35 am EST

... I also don’t think you’re going to trade your way out of it. And considering what defenseman of quality are costing on the market these days I can’t see how parting with a Mac helps the team unless you were getting something substantial in return. And I don’t see that. I’m not sure anyone on the defense is going anywhere. I could see one of JT, Chris Krieder, Vesey, Buch, and maybe even Hayes being shopped. But I’m not sure I would do that either. I just think it’s simplify the game and get the hard hats on. Get a little momentum and see if it jump starts. To AV and even Tortorellas credit, the core of the New York Rangers has almost always found their way back from the wilderness before. I don’t want to get caught up in the emotional roller coaster that guys like Brooks like to do. Wheel out that old crash cart and stoke the panic.

E


Sun Oct 15 2017 11:29 am EST

Hospo: it’s just momentum. I saw signs against the BJs. I saw definite signs against the NJD in the first. But they are struggling. You know this but it’s funny how a few timely goals go in and all of a sudden everything starts taking care of itself. My question isn’t as much if, but when. And when it happens is the team going to just not be as good as we hope? Right now, it’s not really a question of players, or systems. It’s about simplifying and getting going N/S. To me playing E-W in the o-zone has always been a sign of disjointed play. I don’t see the defenseman rotating, I don’t see the puck being moved tape to tape. I see a lot of guys painting pictures of the action. Just watching the puck. They’re just not dynamic. For me, this is coaching time. I don’t think it’s as much a bag skate moment as a white board and then drills and execution. I see a lot of talent, I just don’t see the cohesion. And it’s possible that AV has expired on the shelf. If things suck someone’s gotta go. I get this vibe that Gorton would pull the plug on AV if he can’t get everything in sync. There is enough young guys now that maybe an x/o players coach like AV needs to be replaced with an authoritarian old school guy like Ruff. I am not panicking but I’m definitely concerned.

E


Sun Oct 15 2017 10:46 am EST

TD...suspect MacKinnon is an untouchable. Wad thinking Duchene + for McD.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 10:44 am EST

Yes Hospo. Lol. Rangers are making you a tad snarky. ;^)

Rf4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 10:28 am EST

I now it's not gonna happen and is too early...BUT..Can we trade SHATTENKIRK?The question with his signing was whether his offense and PP ability improved the Rangers more than his lacklustre defense hurt it.......So far, it's been the latter..His defense has been horrrendous.. ... But that story can be told on almost every single player except a few...Pick one..BUCH?? Hayes? Krieder?Vesey? ZBAD? NASH? ..WHoever..all screwing the pooch.......All about the basics, not playing a game that KISS, not giving total effort more than hlaf the time and.players being misused and yo-yoed by their genius coach...And where the hell is the leadership adn motivation behind the bench and on the ice to hold players responsible??..

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 10:06 am EST

If we're trading McDONAGH, then it better be for MacKINNON. I'd donthatbdeal straight up. No way do I move him for a grade-A malcontent who is probably going to want $8 million plus in less than two years. I don't have an issue grabbing DUCHENE, but for our defenseman? Hell no. Maybe SKJEI for Doosh.

tdchi


Sun Oct 15 2017 10:04 am EST

RF4L - What YOU have been saying? How about what ALOT of us have been saying..Personally I am hoping for at least two more losses in row...Anyhting that will drive it through that thick skull of Gorton than AV's caoching and strategy is way past it's due date..and that this team needs a damn center......OTOH, I need to remember it's Gorton who will be making any trade.and the likely move is to bring back CHYTL back after three games becasue he clearly solved all his defesnve and and two-way game and ready to be the only Ranger center worth anything at ES

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:32 am EST

Well there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/prospect-interest-411-top-2018-draft-prospect-rasmus-dahlin/

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:21 am EST

Duchene BTW 3 goals and 6 points in 5 games...

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:19 am EST

Matt Duchene for Ryan McDonough as the principle players in a trade with the Aves. Anyone?

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 9:17 am EST

Pittsburgh and Islanders up next. 1 and 7 by the weekend? Could be. Just how bad will it get before Gorton responds?

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:50 am EST

TD: Good post. Finally you're seeing the light! LOL. Been saying what you posted for 2 years now - huge leadership problem and lousy coaching. Time for a change indeed. AV should never have been extended, not that it matters given the richness of the Rangers.

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:49 am EST

Pack win again. Nell seems to be the go to goalie right now. Chytil 3 points and Vinnie L a goal and an assist. Encouraging. Unlike the lowly crappy Rangers.

rF4l


Sun Oct 15 2017 8:21 am EST

Thank you MF

Wiosa


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:14 am EST

“It looked like something finally had clicked. The Rangers were clearly the better team for the opening 25 minutes, the more active, aggressive and in-tune unit. They were more physical, more defensively responsible. They had the game’s first seven shots and 13 of the first 14. They scored first, too, on Rick Nash’s first goal of the season. It was at that point, the first of four meetings between the Hudson River rivals tilted — in the Devils’ favor. The light switch had been flipped off again, the Rangers again playing uninspired, sloppy hockey. There was little of an attack to speak of, more missed assignments and too many giveaways. They had just five shots on goal over a span of 34 minutes, from the end of the first period to midway through the third. The power play remained powerless, 0-for-3 on Saturday and now 1-for-its-last-14.....“It’s been the story thus far of our season, and there’s no one to blame but ourselves, the guys in this room here, the guys in the lineup every night,” captain Ryan McDonagh said. “We know what’s expected of us, and we’re simply not performing.”... the coach and the captain rarely talk about themselves except when convenient.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 5:08 am EST

“Before Saturday’s game, Vigneault said there were three decisions to make because of “bumps and bruises” and after warmups, the scratches turned out to be forwards Adam Cracknell and Paul Carey and eighth defenseman Steven Kampfer.....In Saturday’s postgame comments, Vigneault declined to discuss who was injured. “Everybody that I thought was questionable ended up playing,” Vigneault said. He said he played the lineup which he thought “gave us the best chance to win,” in the second game of a back-to-back.”

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:37 am EST

It’s become fairly obvious that analane veenyo even if he had skidmark and malkinstein would find a way to lose. Expiration date was 12/16 probably earlier, but by 11/17 he should be reassigned or fired...he would lose with an all star team. And the next guy needs to strip captain mcdoodie parmenter of his C. This team should only have A’s until a real leader gets awarded the C...

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:29 am EST

Another great plan by assvipe, au revoir ....alias desperate...rushing his pet quickie fast....”“He looked all right,” Vigneault said. “For no [exhibitions], didn’t have a lot of practice on a regular line, I thought he skated well, competed real hard like he always does.”.... maybe veendontknow should follow his lead....

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 4:23 am EST

Need a link, maybe the missing link will get canned....http://nypost.com/2017/10/15/rangers-getting-alarmingly-close-to-forcing-jeff-gortons-hand/

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:58 am EST

Missed the first..but just finished watching the 2nd and 3rd period....Laughable......Rangers had some moments/stretches in a desperate 3rd period but mostly a disinterested, discombombulated AV clusterfuck,,,And the 2nd period was a total embatrassment...just like the 3rd last night....Again, it's the entire roster.....All goes back to the incompetence of GORTON and the mess he has left the Rangers with at center....DESHARNAIS????? ZBAD and HAYES suck at ES......and then there's nothing.....AV trying to be so clever with his 7 D-men bull shit ........please,,,,It might work if one of them wasn't as worthless as Del ANgelo...Please get him the hell out of here...from top to bottm...shit....Nash, the 3rd line gritty winger....BUCH blows....Vesey was primed for a breakout this year and is now being marginalized....ehhhh..no sense going on...

Hospo


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:40 am EST

Certainly, the coach is the guy who is going to take the fall for a bad record and poor start that's about to get even poorer next week...but seriously, this is a team that needs to do some serious soul searching. The issues with this team that manifested in the 2015-2016 playoffs and metastasized in the 2016-2017 playoffs have gotten even worse. You can say it's the coach not getting these guys to focus...that AV has lost this team...but really, I think you need to look at the team itself...and there are a lot of guys who have an attitude that they can play however they feel and that there will always be one more game where they can turn it up. How many goddamn times do we look at a loss and say, man, they had 20, 30 or 40 good minutes....and it's that remaining time that sinks them...so many...Tonight is another example. Very good first, lost second, and listless third...time for a closed-door meeting with a harsh reality: If you can't skate 60 minutes, you're sitting on the bench. If sitting on the bench doesn't do it, you're going to Hartford or you're getting traded. And I can't think of too many names I'd put on the list for guys to which this principle doesn't apply...Easy to bang on guys like DeANGELO or DESHARNAIS...but the problems this team is having trace back to their CORE. That's HANK, McD, KREIDER, NASH, ZUCC, Z, HAYES, STAAL and to a degree, MILLER. Those are the leaders in the room. Those are the guys who should be turning it up...And while I also think the Rangers, as of now, are firing short of a couple spark plugs, change starts with the guys I just mentioned. It's time to stop looking at stats and individual performances and start recognizing the cancer that is causing this. Want to lop off the coach and hope it changes? OK. Well, my suspicion is that it won't. I held back after the Pens series, thinking it was a fluke...not so much against the Sens, but still...now it is part of the identity of this team: To forget the game is 60 minutes long. And that's a fatal flaw I don't think any coach can correct...The Rangers are so proving their critics right and that's perhaps the saddest part...that no one in the organization seems to recognize this...they're just shameless schmucks...Now I've singled out Nash for good reason...because his ENTIRE CAREER is the embodiment of this show-up-whenever-you-want-for-however-long-you-want philosophy...but it's also time to start looking at other sacred names in the room...and that includes all the players wearing an 'A'...anyone in leadership on this roster. Talent is NOT the issue with these guys...it's attitude...and while yes, there are a few no-brainer things that would really help them(a center of any kind; a gritty player)...there really needs to be a chance in the culture...If not? Well, like I keep saying: 2018 is a good time to have a top-10 pick...Rasmus DAHLIN, Brady TKACHUK, and Quinn HUGHES are all game changers...that won't make the next 74 games any easier though.

tdchi


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:09 am EST

Ava Gina said we played a good 35 minutes....Sinking fast with a tough week coming up....

PJ


Sun Oct 15 2017 1:06 am EST

Wild...I can say it but he has no good parts to his game....Only a goof like you could keep defending this little Mooch....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:26 pm EST

AV = "A"u-re-"V"oir

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:24 pm EST

_Arc, we have female participants on this site. Do as you wish, it was just a request. Would you like me to stop using the word, "Faggot?" Asshole!

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:16 pm EST

Arc is that the vagina monologues ?

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:14 pm EST

Need to play fast with fast .... whatever you say veenyo... way to run off the podium... it’s getting hot in there.... don’t worry you can do the no wrong, the players lost another game. When they win you made all the right decisions....1-5 ... you are what your record says you are.... losers With a capital L.....

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:14 pm EST

PJ: My take on him is completely objective. He had good parts and bad parts. Its you that has zero objectivity. You can't even say he had good parts to his game. Its laughable.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:10 pm EST

Mf- you wanna call me out coz I use a word in the dictionary (vagina) that perfectly describes him but you can call him 'fagot'???? Are you fucking kidding me? What did you have some bad experience or something?

_Arc


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:54 pm EST

Wild..The only nonsense here is you defending DeAngelo after that game...His own Mother wouldn't....You are not capable of any objective evaluation of this team or its players....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:54 pm EST

LOL

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:53 pm EST

I said jettison him into the sun Wild, it's non-negotiable :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:52 pm EST

If Ruff were the guy, you'd need a really, really good Defensive coach. Ruff's teams defense have been a mess. Ohhh, kind of like ours. Hmmmm.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:52 pm EST

Rhet: Agree with the callups...but not Kempfer. He is an ideal 7th Dman. He can sit for weeks and come in and play decent. He is not affected by lack of playing time and is cheap. He is the guy you keep for a quick injury fill in of a game or two.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:51 pm EST

PJ: I have not changed a damn thought about the kid. He made a lot of good plays tonight. Again, you only see the bad ones. He will have bad games, he is young for starters, and he is not a defensive stalwart..never was, never will be. But you seem to think he only does bad. No one player cost the Rangers this game...so stop with any of that nonsense.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:49 pm EST

Not a good start by any means. Cant string 3 periods together. Not willing to say just firing AV would do it. I would look at everything. Even if you fire AV I still think you make a move like I suggested. Big shake up trade, shake up behind the bench. AV and Arniel (sp) gone, maybe Ruff would be the logical choice at this point, don't really know if anyone "better" out there available. See what he can do with a partial new roster of players. Continue to make changes if need be. I said before this season that the I thought they would make the playoffs, that it would be something of a transition year with more changes. I still feel that way, and its early on at least, shaping up to look like I thought it would. Wouldn't have guessed 1-5 to start, but early season records are not very reliable to tell the tale of a season so I am not changing my thoughts about what the season will bring.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:47 pm EST

I miss Dan Girardi....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:46 pm EST

Buch same issues as last year....Talented but knocked off the puck too easy....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:45 pm EST

Boy Wild you sure stopped posting about DeAngelo after he basically cost us the game.....Fans started to boo him also....I post win or lose but I don't make excuses for every piece of crap this team tries to pass off as an NHL caliber player....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:44 pm EST

Bring up Nieves, Pionk and Bereglazov, send down DeAngelo and jettison Kampfer into the sun. Boom, done.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:42 pm EST

Tlats say your prayers for 5 more losses.... it’s the only way to this coach kicked in the can and sent home.

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:38 pm EST

Ugly loss a couple more of these and there will be a change coming.This is a horrific start to this season

tlats


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:38 pm EST

Fu veenyo

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:33 pm EST

Lou... in defense, I thought he was younger :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:32 pm EST

My bad, Chytil was born Sept. 5th. NM, leave him there. Party on!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:30 pm EST

Embarrassing

rangerlou


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:28 pm EST

Chytil is making the argument tonight for allowing underage players to play in the AHL

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:27 pm EST

Goalies pitch a shutout or lose on the nyr

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:26 pm EST

Is there a more inept group of forwards on any team than on the Rangers?

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:24 pm EST

I'd also prefer Nieves centering the 4th line over the playing 11 forwards BS.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:24 pm EST

Buch falls down more than a mite in house league

PUCKYOU


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:22 pm EST

2 choices fire the team or fire the coach. Pick #2 Monty

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:22 pm EST

Chytil with a goal now

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:21 pm EST

I know it's a long season, but - we're in 28th place league wide, and weve got a game up on the three teams below us. Vegas has won three of their games. I mean we really, really suck. Just saying.

wiosa


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:20 pm EST

Buch sux on first unit- clueless

PUCKYOU


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:20 pm EST

Way to go dick rash

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:19 pm EST

Has DeAngelo had a part in every goal against? He needs to be sent down to the Pack. Heck, bring up Pionk and Bereglazov to see if either of them stick after we throw them up against the wall. What we have now is not working.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:19 pm EST

Well on a more positive note. the Puck are up 3-1, Chytil (who had his assist taken from him the last game) has two helpers tonight. Nieves has a goal as well.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:17 pm EST

Come on! At some point AV needs to be fired! This team sucks

rngrsans


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:17 pm EST

The Rangers need a game breaker. They have a lot of good players, well rounded players, and skilled players, they need a guy who can step up when things get like this to turn things around. I would vote for a Center that can do that. Not cheap....and the price would probably piss people off...but here is what I would do. Hayes, Zucc, Day and a 2nd....put that offer out there and you will get a very good center...but Zucc being part of hit will likely be the part that most don't like, even though he is one of the biggest culprits lately (late last season and so far this season) to be completely invisible when the Rangers NEED some offense. His name is almost never called, and he does very little. love his attitude, but the Rangers need more than attitude. If that package can get a top 2 center than do it. Might even sweeten that deal with a forward prospect, there are a couple who might be decent NHLers, not top line guys, but still NHL quality. Again, wouldn't be popular at all, but that not the point of trades.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:12 pm EST

Desharnais 5 feet in front of the 6x4, misses with the deflection and then looks at his stick like it is the stick’s fault.

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:05 pm EST

Veendontknow is French toast

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:03 pm EST

Veenyo has to go, he will never win a cup. This team needs a trade to bring in someone who can finish.

steve443c10


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:02 pm EST

Rangers tried to get cute with Stepan and Oscar the grouch....two guys who know how to play on the d side of the ice....Now we look like a shitty beer league team in our end

tradestar28


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:02 pm EST

Keep losing nyr that way fishboy has to cut analane loose

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:01 pm EST

Nan nan nan nah hey hey hey goodbye assvipe

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:00 pm EST

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, Macaroni Boy takes a shit penalty and the Rangers pay for it ha ha ha ...... and why is Macaroni boy in the line up????? because Frenchy Faggot AV wants to show who's boss and we're gonna play the Rook instead of the best player... ha ha ha ha ha , and who beats us???? DREW Stafford who signed in the swamp for peanuts ha ha ha ha ha ha bwahhhhhh ha ha ha . "I HOPE WE LOSE THIS GAME !!!!!! SURE LOOKS LIKE WE WILL

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:55 pm EST

Garbage Pails

tradestar28


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:50 pm EST

PJ: Just like every other offensive defensemen in the NHL...just stop....I dint say he was great, or even top end...but your only seeing the negative...I have seen them as well...but he has had a good overall game.....I do notice however, that you only post when the Rangers are down, its a rarity to see you post after a good period of hockey...holds true tonight. SO I guess it makes sense that you have an blind spot for good play of a guy and only can see the bad parts of his game...I personally could care less if he plays or not the best of the game...no care at all, maybe thats why i can just watch him play and not have some internal mental agenda to prove something about him like you seem to.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:47 pm EST

is awful

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:46 pm EST

Bullshit Wild...He got caught up ice and was beat more than once...Pull your head out of your ass and watch the game for once...This guy does not belong in the NHL....He us awful...

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:46 pm EST

DeAngelo will never make McDonagh better, them playing together will cause him to play a different type of game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:45 pm EST

Oh wow, Im shocked, we're losing to the powerhouse Devils. SMH

wiosa


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:44 pm EST

PJ: He played a period and a half or so of little or no mistakes, with good first passes that set up Rangers chances....yet you pull out the one pass that was bad that lead to a chance against as the way to describe his game....I am not saying he is some great Dman, but come on....

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:42 pm EST

Are they serious with this bum DeAngelo playing with McD?...His pass to nowhere leads to second goal....This guy is an f'ing disaster back there.....Could see this coming after again not converting in the first period....

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:40 pm EST

Bob, there was one angle that you can see Nash has his elbow brush the chin area of the guy, I don't think he threw his head back trying to get a call, i think it was a natural reaction as something came towards his face....I don't blame the refs, Nashs arm winged out and he may have made a bit of contact with the side of the face, and the natural reaction to pull your head back like that.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:40 pm EST

Debbie outplaing us

rangerlou


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:39 pm EST

Is it me or did it seem like the Rangers exhaled after the Nash goal and sat back a little compared to how they had been playing....NJD took the momentum at that point...not a good back step by the Rangers....it feels like they need someone to step up off the ice to mentally get them going. They need some fire in the locker room...an Iginla type (not saying they need to go sign him or anything, just that type of energy) since he always seemed like the kind of guy to step up and talk up to keep the teams head right.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:32 pm EST

So help me understand this please.............Nash hits Hischier in the chest with his arm, Hischier sells it like a Euro soccer player and Nash gets an elbowing penalty. Do I have that correct?

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:19 pm EST

So Desharnais has set up both goals in this game.

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:18 pm EST

Another apple turnover

rf73


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:13 pm EST

If Lundqvist did bust a grumpie in games 2 and 3, we win the cup

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:08 pm EST

GOOOOOAAAAALLLL Dick Rash

rangerlou


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:06 pm EST

And look...right to the net, just feet in front...but that can't be because he doesn't go there after his conclusions....

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:06 pm EST

NASH!

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:06 pm EST

E: Absolutely. Still work to be done, but that period was what they needed. Solid all around, got shots and chances, didn't give up much, worked as 5 man units. Just need to keep it going

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:05 pm EST

rf4l: "I've said it many times on here - he stopped going to the net once he got those 3 concussions" That is 100% false...anything you say after that is moot....you star with a point that is not true....he doesn't avoid the front of the net, he drives to the middle with the puck, he stands in front, and scored the majority of his goals within a few feet of the net. Yet you start by saying he stopped going to the net...

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:36 pm EST

Best period of New York Rangers hockey this season so far.

E


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:32 pm EST

New York Rangers don’t look like they’re in a good mood.

E


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:22 pm EST

Wild...again not reading and digesting what my point is.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:13 pm EST

Nash refused to take THAT one to the net. He is useless.

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:08 pm EST

rf4l: You KEEP saying that about Nash, and every year at some point someone brings out the shot location "map" and goal location, and something like 60%+ of his goals and 70%+ of his shots com from within the slot and 5 feet from the net or some crazy thing like that. He goes to the net, and he does it all the time, he drives off the left wing a lot to the net dragging a defender along, he parks in front of the net every single game...I dont know how you can watch him play and not see him around the net with and without the puck

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:05 pm EST

as they just said on the broadcast, its early...really early, the last time the Rangers started this bad, they went on to the SCF against the Kings. Good or bad, 5 games in is FAR too early to decide if the team is going to end up playing well for the season. I happen to think at times that struggling early can bring a mental discipline to a team. They start to hate losing and do what it takes to figure it out, and once they do they don't relax back to the old way. A team that starts out hot, and we see it every year when one misses the playoffs after a hot start, they tend to hit a struggling period and don't know how to deal with it, and by the time they do figure it out and take that mental step its too late. Same thing happens at times after a big loss at times, a team will turn a corner for the better after a whooping and never look back. Lets hope this is how this season goes....

Wildcard


Sat Oct 14 2017 6:01 pm EST

E...you didn't read thoroughly. I said he does go to the front of the net. But without speed. That used to be his bread and butter - genarating chances via speed size and skill. No more.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 5:56 pm EST

RF: I am not sure your Nash assertion passes the smell test. Last season I saw stats on his location % on where he scores and he scores an awful lot within 8’ of the net. And most were in real close. What I don’t see him do as much FY is take the defender on the outside off the rush and back him in. He used to routinely do that. I think he’s lost a step and he can’t do it any longer. But he may have had head run hesitation but that’s gone nowadays. He’s aging up. But for my taste he still is aging nicely as a 2-way player. It’s his s salary that iwnt justifiable any longer. But that’s coming off and I’d like to see him with a 3-million 2 year deal and I think he’ll be worth it. Injuries aside he’s going to go over 35-years old and still playing.

E


Sat Oct 14 2017 5:41 pm EST

_Arc, new reference name for AV please (and with my foul mouth I'm a bordering hypocrite, key word there is bordering) thank you

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 5:15 pm EST

PJ if Kreider scores instead of hitting the post we win the CUP

melvillefred


Sat Oct 14 2017 5:11 pm EST

Rf4l.....u can forget Tambelinni AV has his season pinned on “Quicky’s” return. Apparently he’s achieved Saviour status.

melvillefred


Sat Oct 14 2017 4:51 pm EST

RF/TD- part of the problem with Nash is that the friggin coach continues to commend the job he's doing!!!!! When's the last time he said 'we need him to score some goals'???? No. It's always 'he's doing all the other things so well......". BULLshit!!!! As you guys said, we can find one of those guys making the league minimum. This was always going to be a touch and go season with the hole in the middle of the lineup. But AvaGina's love affair with washed up 4th line / 3rd pair reclamation projects instead of some kids that could inject some life into the team is just disgusting. Then again, 'life' and AvaGina are mutually exclusive I suppose. Maybe AvaGina and Ben MacDoo can go house hunting together

_Arc


Sat Oct 14 2017 4:15 pm EST

Kids: Nash had said that he would only accept a trade to a US team (no Canadian).... Smel LA is trying to get faster; my Traderator had thrown out TREVOR LEWIS's name in the past.... He's a Center, RHS, 30 years old signed for 3 years at $2mill per.... Me thinks he's as good a name as any to throw out here for consensus... LA has $3.5 mill in Cap Space, we can eat part of Nash's salary & get a deal done, LA is fairly deep at center, we pull this off and promote LETTIERI..... Thoughts Kiddies???

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 4:07 pm EST

If Tambellini scored again tonight for the Pack (it'll be 4 in 4) and the Rangers lose, I think the Rangers should call him up and spot him in the top 9. Maybe they'll get lucky and strike when the iron is hot. Lord knows they need a spark of some kind and sometimes that occurs via a hot rookie being injected in the lineup and actually making a difference. I'd also call up Nieves and end the freakin' Paul Carey experiment.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:59 pm EST

Re Nash: I've said it many times on here - he stopped going to the net once he got those 3 concussions. There was a reprieve there, however: The year as a Ranger he scored 42 goals. He'd come off a 26 goal season (his 2nd as a Ranger), his lowest number of goals (other than the lockout shorted season) since his rookie year. That was the year he'd suffered those 2 concussions (the first being during the lockout but that one was never really talked about). It was 14/15 season and up until February of that season he was the Rick Nash Nob for Life envisioned when he acquired him. Then came the mugging in Buffalo courtesty of Zack Bogosian, followed by him missing a few games due to a 'stiff neck' and it was back to the Rick Nash of the previous year playing just as Bob and TD described. He does go in front but it's never with speed; it's from the side boards or from behind the net. The stuff he is more famous for disappeared I guess forever after that mugging. What he became instead was a forward capable of 20 to 25 goals who is very defensively responsible. There's zero wrong with that - in fact, I'd take a half dozen of those if I could. However, that's not why he was acquired, it's not what this team needs and it's not why he's making $7,800,000/season. It's also why he'll be lucky to land a contract that's even half that figure next summer and I think it's a sure thing it won't be with the Rangers. I don't hold the animosity for him some on here do but I recognize the the frustration his contributions are causing. In the end, he's turning out to be yet another frustrating chapter of Ranger lore. This franchise is littered with such chapters, unfortunately.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:48 pm EST

The Nash thing not new and impossible to argue with....If this guy would have been just close to what we paid for against the Kings in the finals we have a cup...

PJ


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:04 pm EST

Well, as an amatuer internet coach, I'd make some minor tweaks to start: on defense RHS I'd have Shattenkirk / Skjei / Smith and I'd start pairing them off with McDonagh / Staal / Holden.... Reason being because Skjei is a much more mobile skater than Staal & Holden...... On Offense I'd move our $95,000 per game goose egg thus far production man Mr. Rick Nash to the RW...... I would have also called up Mr. Vinny Lettieri for the 4th line (("IF" we have the mobility to call him up from Hartford without a problem because I never understand just who can be called up & who can't)) and sit Mr. Cracknell...... Again, IMO Lettieri is an energy guy who has displayed that he wants to make the line-up, he doesn't stop moving his feet, and we Need his RHS on the 2nd Unit PP...... So those are MF's tweaks without bringing in the AC/DC Wrecking Ball !!! Thoughts Kids???

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 2:59 pm EST

Bob - I'm sure you'll be shocked to see me agreeing, re: NASH. SOOOOOOOO tired of this guy getting a pass. I just had to tongue-lash a buddy who said the standard Ranger fan response to Nash criticism: "Well, he's playing well, but the pucks aren't going in..." Uhhh...No, dumbass. A guy who is playing well at least gets a few apples. Or a bounce that goes his way...you hit the nail on the head: Nash simply doesn't go to the areas of the ice where goals are scored...it's along the high boards, cut in a couple feet and then rip an off-angle shot that the tender would have trouble NOT saving. Maybe it's me, but I never see the guy in the slot. Ever. Occasionally, he'll take it down toward the corner and then try to sharp-angle it in to the net, which is another way to basically fail at scoring. It's not an accident that the guy has five points in his last 17 games...it's how he's playing the game now. You bet he's in contract mode, which is sort of like try-not-to-get-injured-all-season-mode.

tdchi


Sat Oct 14 2017 2:40 pm EST

Here's an interesting factoid that kind of surprised me: Who can tell me when the last time the Rangers started the season losing four out of five? Of course, this is a trick question. My first guesses were during the abhorrent 2003-2004 season, John Tortorella's first or last year on the team or back during the Ron Low/Trottier years...Well here's a little bit of a reality check: 2013-2014, the year they went to the cup finals. They started the year just dismally...a blowout loss to San Jose, a shutout loss to Anaheim...In fact, it would take them until Nov. 10 to get above .500, after losing seven out of their first 10. Only two other times since the 1990s have they started off losing four of the first five: 1998-1999, when they went 0-4-1 under Schmuckler...they finished out of the playoffs that year...and then 1994-1995, the year after the cup run, where Soupy lead them to a second-round exit...I think this team, oddly enough, shares more in common with the 2013-2014 Rangers than the other two, in that they're young and have a lot of talent...but unlike 2013-2014, these Rangers are WAAAAAAY more weak up the middle...the team from four years ago was pretty loaded in the middle(BRASSARD, RICHARDS, STEPAN, BOYLE, MOORE and even MILLER)...And that team knew how to win games...steal them from the clutches of defeat...this team seems exactly the opposite...ready to knuckle under at the first signs of trouble...nevertheless, this is a BIG game tonight, and arguably a turning point of the season...I couldn't find a single start where the Rangers lost five of their first six. Didn't go past the 1990s...but whatever...there's starting slow and then there's nosediving. Tonight is when we get to which direction is coming into focus.

tdchi


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:19 pm EST

I have 3 peeves today. 1. Jasper NASH. Great defensive forward that fails to produce and makes a fortune to score goals. 2. David Deharnais. A mbig zero in the middle, playing on the power play, contributing squat. 3. Adidas. WTF is this Adidas emblem splitting the shoulder stripes ion the Rangers white jerseys? Absolutely unacceptable treatment of an Original 6 club uniform. OK, I am done. Until they get wrecked by the Derbils tonight.

Bob


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:14 pm EST

Pressure relief? Rangers 5 and Devils 3.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:03 pm EST

Oy Vey!

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:02 pm EST

TD...all true but this stuff starts with the coach. Agreed that the problems run deeper but if things don't turn around soon AV had to go. If Ruff isn't able to address things then more of the core must go. It's messy but this has bern coming for 2 years now. Gorton to a certain extent has accelerated things by trading away Stepan but the decline didn't just start 2 weeks ago.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:22 am EST

There's more physicality in my no check men's league than that joke of a game last night. Where's the Krieder from the last 5 minutes of the final game against the Sens last year ?

Stepunmytoe


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:20 am EST

Look: I'm not going to cut AV slack...he deserves zero...but if he was fired today and RUFF was installed as coach? I see ZERO change. I don't see Ruff doing much differently or having an impact...there is a CULTURE on this team that has developed...a feeling that playing well here and there is OK...a sense that one goal will decide the game...the minute these guys go down a goal, they might as well throw in the towel...They seriously have a loser's mentality. Like last night...First, they let PANARIN walk in...WALK IN...to the zone. They guy wasn't going fast. Wasn't pulling any crazy moves....just waltzed in like he was passing through the neighborhood. He could have f'ing WAVED to the guys staring at him with mouth agape. But as if that wasn't bad enough...they just got PUMMELED in the third. Just total ass-beating. Granted, the BJs turned it up...but that doesn't explain the shitshow I watched...which was VERY reminiscent of another shitshow from the playoffs: Game 6 with the Sens...just a total lack of faith in ever being able to win...and it showed in everything they did...and then the cherry on top: SHATTENKIRK basically glided on the backcheck on the empty net goal. Just whacked SEDLAK with his stick a couple times...didn't even try to take a couple strides...Look, these are SERIOUS issues...and I don't see firing AV changing them...what needs to be done is the passengers in this lineup need to be drop-kicked out of New York. And the biggest passenger of them all is Mr. Rick NASH.

tdchi


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:19 am EST

You know it's bad when Stevie isn't posting news articles. Hitting the bong probably!

NV94


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:18 am EST

We're not gonna take it,,,,, we're not gonna take it,,,,, we're not gonna take it,,,,,were not gonna take it, never did and never will, don't feed us this bullshit, if you want us to stay loy-yal

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:15 am EST

Welcome to the camp, I guess you all know why we're here, my name is Gorton, and I became aware this year, if you want to follow me you've got to play hockey.......

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:11 am EST

Not that it helps but the Yotes are 0-3-1 and Step has 2 assists

melvillefred


Sat Oct 14 2017 11:00 am EST

We could sit here all day debating if it’s the coach, the players, the GM or the coach and the players and the GM…At the end of the day, unless there is a major purge … (not happening at this point of the season) … logic dictates that a coaching change makes the most sense … early enough in the season for the “new’ guy to see what these players actually can do…evaluate the talent and see if it was, in fact, the coach who sucked … or if, in fact, it is the players who suck/don’t complement each other…and then plan on dumping any player who is dead weight as the season moves along and/or getting rid of them before the trade deadline/draft/free agency … adding players with this coach (with the exception of Hospo’s goddamn center) makes no sense .. they will be destined for failure … Of course, this also assumes that the GM knows what the hell he’s doing and has the nads to pull the trigger on AV … BTW, If I’m Shattenkirk I gotta be asking myself “WTF did I do coming to this shit show?...This ain’t the Rangers I grew up with”

RF73


Sat Oct 14 2017 10:51 am EST

AV got an extension. Probably doesn't really care if he's fired. He'll get hired somewhere else and double dip.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 10:42 am EST

Day-R-Nay with almost 18 minutes last night. Day-R-Nay 0 0 and 0. For the season. Waiver wire material. Bring up Nieves. Can't be worse.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 10:40 am EST

What are you all so upset about? These first 20 games or so don't matter. AV said so. This is when you experiment. You try things just to see how they work. You know....things like taking two of your most important offensive weapons from last year (MILLER and GRABNER) and putting them with your 4th line Center (DEHARNAIS) and make them your 3rd line. And things like putting a career AHL player (who really doesn't even belong in the NHL as a winger) at Center on your 4th line with VESEY and CRACKERBARREL to make a 4th line that has absolutely no prayer of doing anything either offensively or defensively in a game. And now is absolutely the BEST time to try out your line combos and put HAYES with NASH for the first time so they have no idea where eachother will be on the ice and can look as disjointed as possible. And now is a GREAT time to put HOLDEN on the 1st pair D as an experiment with McDONAGH! What could go wrong! And if it does go wrong it doesn't matter anyway. That is what this time of year is for. Some people think you should do these kinds of things in the preseason but they are WRONG! Just ask AV. He'll set you straight.......

Vic


Sat Oct 14 2017 10:28 am EST

The Rangers ARE TALENTED..but..they ar not as talented and quick/FAST team wide as some of the top teams..To make up for that gap, they need to play straight ahead, smarter, together, defensively responsible and counter punch..That takes proper lineup construction, chemistry, team effor..all thatg is influenced by coaching and leadership....Give ma all that and I'll be quasi happy becasue they still need a real god damned center!

Hospo


Sat Oct 14 2017 10:03 am EST

Hospo...........I agree that this is a mess.......don't know where to begin to fix it.......but I guess that's why RUFF was brought in for, if/when AV fails to get this thing going in the right direction. I think the thing that bothers me the most is that (as true Ranger fans do) most people (even at the top ) have way over-valued some of our key players.........Hayes,Vesey,Kreider, Zucc, big Mac and the one and only Mr. Lunquist ! I know one thing, that putting people in certain key roles doesn't make it just happen.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:52 am EST

NYSTRANGER - ZERO leadership on this team..Behind the bench and on the ice..especially at forward...THis team can compete...with a new coach AND a new center...Reeks from thev Top (Gorton/AV) down right now..It shouldn't be THIS bad!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:47 am EST

BTW I was expecting this team to take a step backwards this year, so I get really aggravated when you hear all the coaches and players try and blow smoke up the fans arses with the 'we believe we are right in the mix', 'we are always thinking Stanley Cup' BS. Really... then when they play like this shit we are seeing the all act all surprised and clueless. Oh yeah. They know they suck. Just get ot over with. Gorto: just get a pair and fix it..

NYStranger


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:42 am EST

Yes my new whipping boy is McDoughnut. Has taken a page out of the Chris Dreary after a loss handbook. The guy is passionless monotone. Some fuggin leader he is. Plays like shit then has these cluless expression interviews. Mirrors the dumb ass coach. Perfect pair. Both should go play together somewhere else. Preferably where it is friggin really cold.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:38 am EST

The Rangers never loose enough when they need to be bad for change to happen. So naturally they will win a few. ChaCha Stevie?

NYStranger


Sat Oct 14 2017 9:37 am EST

RF4L - On CARPINELLO--People still read that insignificant bambastic piece of shit?? Was rearely if ever correct or provided anything of merit....ANyways..I alugh at The King and Coach AV talking about lucky bounce and lucky goal...when the only offense the Rangers could muster was from a total brain fart and turnver by Seth JInes...Enough with the damn excuses....Ad this is a new team???? AYFKM?????Let's see....Nash, MZA, Kreider, ZBAD, Hayes,Grabner, MIller, VESEY, BUCH..what SHOULD be TOP 9, the same damn mamalukes form last year...The new ones are the insinificant and wrothless Desahranais, Carey , and cigar store Indian Cracknell.....THis team is not diffefrent, it just sucks righ now from head to toe

Hospo


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:28 am EST

NYStranger: I was pondering that last night. That being after firing AV should Gorton renew the mini-purge he started in the summer? Nash for sure but he won't fetch much now - he's likely more a deadline deal when the cap hit is vastly reduced. McD after this year, will have 1 year left on his deal and then in the summer of 2019 will be seeking a significant raise, a sum the Rangers likely won't be willing to cough up. Therefore, trading him at some point must be a consideration. If this year is going to go down the drain, he should be shopped. He'd bring a good bounty for sure. To me, if a purge is to be renewed, almost anyone is available but obviously, Gorton should look at the veterans before the younger players. All that said, they'll probably win tonight and the pressure will temporarily ease.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:17 am EST

Get rid of AV (and his staff) McDoughnut, and Nash. They are the big three culprit loosers. Start with that, then maybe move on to Kreider and Lundqvist. There. Done. But seriously I am only half kidding.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 14 2017 8:05 am EST

Rangers BTW looking like the Pack last year in +/-: They have 5 players in the bottom 15 of the league in that stat, led by Shittenkirk who looked absolutely minor league last night on the Panarin goal.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:56 am EST

Some fabulous insight from AV: “We didn’t play 60 minutes,” Vigneault said. Dude, when is the last time your team played 60 minutes? Other than a couple of games in the MOntreal series last spring, I honestly cannot remember. This man clearly cannot coach the team Gorton has assembled for him. Perhaps no one can - perhaps the makeup of this club simply isn't going to work, regardless of who's behind the bench. 2 of the 5 or 6 year old core were jettisoned over the summer but the same issues remain. Gorton has 3 choices: 1) Continue with the purge 2) Take the simpler step of firing the coach 3) Do nothing and hope things turn around. None of these are easy choices. I suspect for now it'll be option 3 but option 2 must be at on the horizon and depending on the outcome of option 3, it'll eventually be selected. I say do it now but then I didn't want him back this year anyways. I'm so sick and tired of the AV whistle to whistle turn the other cheek play uninspired for long stretches of hockey. It's not like this just started 5 games ago.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:49 am EST

Good news is the Pack won. As Wild posted last night a 3rd goal (3rd game) for Tambellini. Chytil was kept off the score sheet, other than a 2 minute minor so no idea how he played or how much he played.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:45 am EST

So AV's fabulously coached Rangers are now 29th overall. How many more losses before Gorton reacts I wonder? How deep a hole will it become? Interesting to watch, albeit depressing but then again, this is the New York Rangers.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 7:39 am EST

Meanwhile Carpiniello mocking anyone calling for AV's head.

rF4l


Sat Oct 14 2017 4:49 am EST

Same deal last playoffs. Blown leads and bad D pairs were the story, but the "top" forwards were awful. 1 reply 2 retweets 5 likes Rick Carpiniello‏ @RickCarpiniello 8h8 hours ago Again, the Rangers' top forwards have been worse than their defensemen.

stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 4:06 am EST

“ COLUMBUS, Ohio — At some point, it stops being the exception. At some point, the Rangers are going to start being defined by turnovers and sloppy puck management and utterly inconsistent play at almost all positions throughout the lineup. They might not be at that point yet, not after another roller-coaster loss, this one a 3-1 defeat at the hands of John Tortorella and the Blue Jackets on Friday night at Nationwide Arena. It dropped the Rangers to 1-4-0 on the season, matching the worst start since coach Alain Vigneault’s first year behind the bench in 2013-14. And that makes perfect sense, as these revamped Blueshirts look like a new group with a new coach. They are undeniably talented, but undeniably disjointed — with little time to unite the two before this season drops into full panic mode.”

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:55 am EST

So let me try to do the math. If every line has 1 guy not doing well , take 3 of them and make the the 4 th line, then you have 2 lines good, third line 2/3 good, and the benchwarmers alias the 4 th line. Analane maybe go back to 7 d and you can go upstairs and watch. Grasp at straws or use them . Stick one up each nostril and make walrus sounds....flop around on the ice ... flop is the keyword...,

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:48 am EST

Mats Zuccarello: “We can’t start panicking, but to win hockey games, we’ve got to play better.”

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:48 am EST

Nash: “We’ve got to stick together. This is...a character check. It’s easy for guys to start pointing fingers. Good teams stick together.”

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:47 am EST

Lundqvist: “We have to clean up the turnovers, they’re killing us. We had our chances in the 2nd, but they get a late one, bad bounce.”

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:47 am EST

Torts: “In the 3rd, we played 1 of our best periods of the season. But that game could be out of sight if we don’t have the goaltending.”

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:46 am EST

They have updated the excuserator.....AV: "Every line seems to have one guy fighting it, one guy just playing okay and that’s not good enough.” 7 3 9 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 6h AV: “We didn’t play 60 minutes; they get the 1st goal that deflected off us & we didn’t respond well in the 3rd They totally dominated us".

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 14 2017 3:09 am EST

Unwatchable again, Alain Vigneault is the major problem at this point. It will be a happy day when he is gone. Tired of this.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:38 am EST

Some guys still play the body: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/why-martin-hanzal-won-t-be-suspended-and-what-we-can-learn-from-that

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:33 am EST

Next up is NJ tomorrow at The Garden

mf


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:19 am EST

BOB -All true about NASH.. This is when you need a leader up front, which NASH nor any Ranger forward is, to lead by examplle..pounding the crease..playing simple tough hockey rather than just paying lip service to it...And becuase they don't get that leadership and motivation through AV

Hospo


Sat Oct 14 2017 12:11 am EST

There are definite reasons why AV has never won a cup. The pussy-fication of the Rangers is no longer a work in progress. His work here is done. Time to move on to the next franchise.

punchrolfe


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:29 pm EST

Rick Nash is off to a roaring start in his contract year. What a big scorer and non-clutch player he is. Everyone loves him because he is a nice guy. But he refuses to take the puck to the net and play in the tough areas. To me.....a huge disappointment given the investment the Rangers made in him. He back checks. Congratulations. So do guys making the league minimum. So does Jesper Fast. Nash is paid like a 50 goal scorer who has Jesper’s game.

Bob


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:26 pm EST

Hospo your attempt at fairness has been duly noted. Seriously though, I am so confused. This just has to be a coaching issue. As we both know, theyre not the cream of the crop - but they arent this bad. Sigh another lonnnnng year for us my friend.

Wiosa


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:44 pm EST

6'3" 230 lbs one of the fastest strongest skaters in the league emasculated ala French.... Bench or fire AV, brilliant pissing away of $4.25 mill for this season & next on his contract extension

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:22 pm EST

Hey WIOSA...You are so right...it's pretty much team wide which indeed points to the early season management and coaching failure..Still players bear some responsibility...And I rarely criticize Kreider ( I know he's not one of your faves!) so i thought I'd just be fair and give him a whack

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:13 pm EST

Fire AV.

Rf4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:13 pm EST

Hospo...Chris Wideofthenet Kreider aLways has shots, and speed, and, and, and, ....nothing. Hard to pick on one guy when this team is just not motivated. Poor motivation, not playing the full period, not playing 3 periods, poor passing all reeks of coaching problems. Not saying this is a cup caliber team, it's not, but it's better than this. Av probably has to go...and I like the guy, but he's not delivering.

Wiosa


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:44 pm EST

A peedictable loss tonight. The rip roaring start to the season continues.

Bob


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:25 pm EST

Speaking of Eric Stall...Pretty amazing that the Wild lost both Niderider and Coyle for 4-8 weeks and Foligno for 2-3 weeks all in last night's game

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:21 pm EST

This team will never go anywhere with three predominantly prancers at C...Tonight and the games against the Blues and Tor show that the Rangers aren't talented or fast enough roster wide to beat the good teams more than they lose at the skill or speed "whistle-to-whistel" weenie game AV wants..The only way they ever win is by tightening things up, playing D, and scoring on the PP...THat and getting a god damn center

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:19 pm EST

Too bad Assvipe couldn't figure out how to use E. Stall last year. No coincidence he goes somewhere and magically becomes very productive. Feel the same way about AV as I did about Torts at the end of his time here. He must go. He is not capable of turning this around IMO.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:19 pm EST

Kukla's Korner‏ @kuklaskorner.... Video- Nathan MacKinnon Takes A Stick To The Eye Area: MacKinnon is not out for the 2nd period and no update from… http://dlvr.it/PvRbxV

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:06 pm EST

TD.... I think I saw an old lady with a stroller moving past Cracknell tonight.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:56 pm EST

PJ - Thanks.I saw the last 10 mins of the 1st and then the last 25 mins....I like KREIDER but damn the invisility and lack of physicality, (be it him or AV) kills me

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:56 pm EST

And the poor drop passes creating chances was maddening....WTF...Hank kept us in....

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:54 pm EST

And not for nothing, but Hayes ad Desharnais play the same damn circling game with one being a big defenseless goof and the other a fidget,,,, while ZBAD (who has only been good on the PP) stays to the outside..It would be nice to have a real strong two-way center that pounded the crease...OTOH, they don't play the "whistle-to-whistle weenie hockey" that AV calls for

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:50 pm EST

Hospo...Kreider had shots early but did nothing with them....Then he just disappeared...

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:49 pm EST

And I'm curious, was there a directive from the league before the game that both teams could only throw two checks a period...Talk about a poster child for the new prancing NHL..Physicality was non-existent...Rangers just got beat by a better team.......Gotta hail THe King though...played a GREAT game..

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:48 pm EST

Very simple the Rangers can't finish....Had many chances but nobody can convert....Nothing on the PP....Vesey whiffs on an open net....Then collapse in the third....We can't come up with players better than Cracknell and Carey?....Smith sucked again in this game.....

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:46 pm EST

Wow..which team's coach had them readyinthe 3rd period? Which team wanted it more in the 3rd period..TOTAL domination in the 3rd..I messed the 2nd period and I'm to believe the Rangers played pretty good, but to die like that in the third??...What a horrible play by HAYES and SHATT on the 2nd goal...Every night SHATT shows how bad he is defensively and why we can't carry a kid like D'angelo or Pionk who will be just the same..Not impressed with any of the forwards in the 1st and 3rd...and the invisibility of KREIDER was really striking...

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:38 pm EST

I know I was told not to post but.... hmmmm

rngrsans


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:37 pm EST

Nyr are finally consistent

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:37 pm EST

Fire AV!

Rf4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:37 pm EST

Fire AV. The team has tuned him out. They look disinterested

Stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:33 pm EST

AV, don't yank Hank

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:32 pm EST

TD's boy Rick Nash makes a showing with 3:30 left in the game.... Nash gets paid $95,121 per game, it'd be nice if he earned it

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:15 pm EST

Now that they are down a goal watch how well they play. And that's BS !

Stepunmytoe


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:10 pm EST

Well glad to see the Rangers STILL haven't learned how to play 60 minutes of hockey...

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:48 pm EST

ZBAD with another goal except for the wrong team . Hanky probably cursed him out.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:29 pm EST

Nieves on the PP in Hartford....Pack now up 3-0 in the 2nd....seems like a different team that their preseason....

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:27 pm EST

Vesey just can't get it together to get goals this season. Lots of chances, good effort, but the puck bounces, slightly off positioning of the puck...cant buy a bounce...

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:23 pm EST

Tamballini with another goal tonight for the Pack. 3 games in, a gaol in each....good start for him. Might be his last chance to show he is developing. Chytil has an assist (along with Graves) on the 2nd Pack goal tonight....and from twitter reports Chytil came close on a chance in the 1st period.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:17 pm EST

5 lefty's on the PP

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:49 pm EST

So I always really liked Dubi....but that last sequence is typical of his career. TONS of pressure...nothing to show for it.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:36 pm EST

Fuckin Hayes snaps a nice one from a high percentage angle, must have been reading the Wall

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:36 pm EST

#13 on Friday the 13th

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:28 pm EST

Here's the thing with that goal: the ONLY reason the BJs got a shot off was a miserable HAYES turnover, where he not only threw it to open ice in mthe middle, but actually behind the play, so that the back-checking Jackets player literally had it on his tape. The Rangers lucked out, because were it not for a really stupid play from CALVERT, there was a 60 percent chance that was going in.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:23 pm EST

CRACKNELL is seriously the slowest skater I've seen on. This team in a LONG time. Definitelty slower than GLASS. Probably more so than STOLL. Think the only one slower in recent memory is HAMRLIK...

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:14 pm EST

Well at least the NHL is doing their job correctly in reviews so far this year...

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:12 pm EST

How can that be a goal? I mean dude is in the blue...and he is TOUCHING Hank...that is LITERALLY what the rule says is interfering with a goalie

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:12 pm EST

Well there we go. That didn’t take long.

Bob


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:06 pm EST

Friday the 13 th isthmus be their lucky day

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 6:04 pm EST

Hospo fishboy must be working on a deal and has told his lackey analane he’s not sending t dee down . It’s not a great idea but the kid gets to try and figure out from the stands and practice .

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 5:31 pm EST

mf:: FYI. Unless something has changed over the last few years. The AHL doesn't officially track TOI, teams do internally, probably all of them, but the statistician department for the AHL doesnt have the manpower of budget to track all the the things the NHL does. Not sure why TOI is one of those things not tracked, but as of now it is as far as I know.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 5:30 pm EST

Oh hell than half the team isn't ready...A kid needed 10-20 games to make an evaluation....I wouldn't have had him here to begin with but if you decide to keep him he needed to be given a chance....

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 5:17 pm EST

PJ: He certainly did lay an egg. He looked overwhelmed and over matched. The kid just isn't ready. That isn't a knock on him. It is a knock on AV and GORTON for rushing him.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 5:15 pm EST

PJ - Depends on your POV...I thought he showed he wasn't ready in camp and the little he played in the NHL...Not the open ice offense where he excels, but the rest of the game

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:53 pm EST

Cheetos didn't lay an egg...The kid was really never given a chance...A couple of games and declared not ready?.....

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:47 pm EST

Dylan Strome farmed out. Look who was selected after he went to Arizona: Mitch Marner, Noah Hanifin, Pavel Zacha, Ivan Provorov, Zach Werenski, Timo Mier, Miko Rantanen, Lawson Crouse, Jake DeBrusk, Kyle Connor, Thomas Chabot, Joel Eriksson Ek, Brock Boeser, Colin White, and Travis Konecny. All in the NHL this year. Yikes.

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:37 pm EST

Bingo! The arrogant Frenchman knows better than all. ""I'll show you, we're playing my way said the super ego!"" I can't stand this coach sometimes

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:33 pm EST

STEVIE - Which makes me feel even worse about AV...D'angelo is not an NHL player..belongs in the AHL where he needs to learn there are more things then offense to NHL hockey...Look, if Steve Kampfer is better than you (and he sure is better than D'angelo right now) you belong elsewhere..

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:32 pm EST

So Pasta Fazool won't go away easy

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:31 pm EST

VIC: I'll take that bet, just want to clarify that if 1 or both combined play 20 games I win. That and a buck 380 will get me squat. ;-)

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 4:24 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 21s21 seconds ago Even though he's waiver-exempt, AV not considering sending Tony DeAngelo to AHL: "I'm going to get him back in."

stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:56 pm EST

MF: Games....not years.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:38 pm EST

VIC: Staal, Girardi & McDonagh have not played a total of 20 years for the Rangers, nice odds you're offering. ;-)

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:29 pm EST

STEVIE: I wouldn't be surprised if the plan during camp was to trade CHEETOS in a package deal for DUCHENE. Could it be that is why they were playing him up with the big club? They wanted to impress Colorado with him in that first game of the year. But that plan went south when CHEETOS laid an egg. Colorado was no longer interested and the Rangers quickly demoted CHEETOS. Just speculation on my part but it wouldn't surprise me.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:20 pm EST

Fishboy can trade hurtle and or Anderson for a top center ... I’ll duck out of sight now...

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:09 pm EST

MF: Do you want to make a bet about GRAVES and DAY? I'll bet you that together they don't combine for more then 20 games in a Ranger uniform before they are either dealt, released or leave as a free agent. Want to take that bet?

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:07 pm EST

TD: I remember several bench clearing brawls between the Mets and Astros through the mid 80's. I hated most of the Astros and their stupid uniforms back then.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:06 pm EST

NYSTRANGER: No, I don't think they are out of it after 4 games. But I've got huge issues with this coach and the team. They aren't the same issues as a lot of other folks so that right there should tell you that this team has a wide array of issues and if they don't get it together quick this season could get away from them before they realize it.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:58 pm EST

I expect lots of cannon fodder tonight. Sad to say. I also expect the Rangers to be physically run out of the building.

Bob


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:45 pm EST

mf - Z already has a cup under his belt. I can't see why he'd want to upend everything, move to a new city and slide into a secondary role with another team...I mean, stranger things have happened...but my take is Detroit treats its players very well and very few of them willingly leave...also might point out they just opened a brand new arena, which I've heard is like the Taj Mahal of hockey...as for what they'd want? I don't think anyone in Detroit is looking at their early success as evidence they're going to go deep. Detroit is rebuilding, to a degree...They're probably not looking for anything short term. If push comes to shove and ANATHASIOU gets moved, I suspect it'll be for picks, prospects or picks and prospects.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:43 pm EST

AFAIC: Graves and Day are our 2 future homegrown defensemen to support McD, Skjei, & Shatt and possibly on the untouchable list

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:39 pm EST

Vic - That's hilarious! Fellow Met- and disavowed-baseball fan. Swore off the sport after the lockout in the mid-1990s...Before then, there were only two teams I hated: The St. Louis Cardinals and the Houston Astros. I remember absolutely abhorring Mike Scott...not sure exactly why, but likely it was because he mowed down the Mets something furious. My dislike for him was seconded only by some of the headliners for the Cardinals...John Tudor...Jack Clark, Vince Coleman...Willie McGee...all had a special place in hell in my young mind...

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:38 pm EST

TD: Exceedingly loyal can include asking the player if he wants to be traded to a team that has a chance to win The Cup.

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:37 pm EST

I'm asking more from the point of what Detroit thinks in these players rather than the likelihood of whether the Rangers would trade a player... "IF" Bereglazov would/can crack their line-up he may be OK going to Detriot, it's not like a there hasn't been a multitude of Russian Player history in that Franchise.... If they want defensive prospects and to add depth, Bereglazov, Deangelo, Gropp, I have no problem parting with.... AND, I'd be on the phone yesterday with NASH and his agent to inquire about his plans for the future, term & dollar amount.. IF they respond with something along the lines of, "we'd rather discuss contract after the season," then he's trade fodder and I structure a deal which includes him.... If he say's 3 years, $4.5 mill per, I'd say he wants to remain a Ranger

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:31 pm EST

re: ZETTERBERG - I would be floored if he were traded. The Wings are exceedingly loyal to the players that helped them win their cup...LIDSTROM, HOLSTROM, RAFALSKI, DATSYUK, DRAPER, and CLEARY...just a short list of guys who were allowed to retire as Wings. I can't imagine Z will be any different.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:25 pm EST

mf - One thing I doubt you'll see is the Rangers trading someone they just acquired or signed as a UFA, especially a guy who crossed the pond to play for the team...so long and the short, I don't know if the Wings would be interested in either, but I highly doubt the Rangers are willing to trade them quite yet. I don't know what the asking price for ANATHASIOU is, but I don't suspect it's cheap...probably cheaper than someone like GALCHENYUK, but still someone who would cost two very good prospects...probably something like GROPP and DAY...for once I'm with RF4L - given the abortive start and given the guys in the draft coming up, I sure as shit wouldn't move our first overall...

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 2:22 pm EST

DeAngelo and value shouldn't be used in the same sentence....

PJ


Fri Oct 13 2017 1:26 pm EST

TD: do you think Detroit has an interest in Deangelo and or Bereglazov? They're at the Cap limit, must do something with ANTHANASIOU, and I think that ZETTERBERG & his $6.083 mill takes us from Pretenders to Contenders, and afford them the ability to retain ATHANASIOU

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 1:26 pm EST

VIC: You can hop on the Yankees bus after we eliminate the Astros, we're happy to have you on board

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 1:25 pm EST

Vic, man you think the Rangers are out of it after only 4 games? ;-)

NYStranger


Fri Oct 13 2017 1:09 pm EST

MF: I was a Mets fan growing up and through the 80s. The Astros were a hated rival at the time. I divorced Baseball in the late 80s and remarried it in the mid 2000's when my son was just starting to play. We were living in the Dallas area then and we all adopted the Texas Rangers. I've never been a fan of the Astros and they are once again a rival. That said we go to a bunch of games every year since we moved back to the Houston area (I was there for the last home game of the regular season a few weeks ago). And they have a really good, young core that is easy to like and root for. Since the Rangers are out of it I'd have to say that I'd like to see the Astros win it all if possible. I was there for game 3 in the World Series sweep against the White Sox. The city was crushed after that sweep. I'd like to see the city celebrate a World Series win after what everyone went through with Harvey. So, yeah I guess I'm hoping the Astros beat the Yankees. Should I wear a Rangers shirt and watch the Rangers get destroyed by Columbus tonight, or should I wear my Houston Strong Astros shirt and watch the Astros pound on the Yankees???? Tough question, but I'm a glutton for punishment so I'll be watching the Rangers.........

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:54 pm EST

Well we have CRACKNELL. He's like a buzz saw. A very rusty, broken buzz saw that's been hanging out in an abandon shed for the past decade.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:54 pm EST

AND... GO YANKEES!!!!

NYStranger


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:53 pm EST

No Way, AV will be emotionally crushed and we'd have to send St.Legs to his "Emotional Rescue!"

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:52 pm EST

Well then I hope he's playing 20 minute a night in Hartford, (The Wolfpack's website sucks as bad as the NHL's, par for the course, I couldn't find his TOI stats) however, sometimes we get thrown to the Wolve's (no pun intended) and PIONK just might have to learn on the job with the big club and we will have to live with his hiccups. Too bad on us, that's the price for the conundrum we're in...... I wonder what the league GM's see DEANGELO'S value as? Same for Bereglazov?

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:52 pm EST

mf...FAST for CROSBY and MALKIN straight up?

NYStranger


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:42 pm EST

Also totally disagree on your "buzzsaw" of a 4th line..DOn't see it..and Fast will not be a 4th liner when healthy..BUch might..Miller might..Vesey might..Jasper won't..not with AV

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:39 pm EST

MF - Too much thinking in my book....As for Pionk, the only way to get him ready, and we should, is by teaching the kid how to play the NHL game in a place where his mistakes and failings won't hurt the NHL team.....

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:37 pm EST

S/B: "as the Righty - Lefty thing"

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:36 pm EST

Hospo: yes the Righty / lefty thing is important but where does it lie in priority of everything the NYR's are dealing with? Let me clarify: I think it is way more important to have a combo of 3 LHS & 2 RHS ""OR"" 3 RHS & 2 LHS on the PP, than it is to have 3LHS & 3 RHS on the Defense.... However: "IF" we don't have RHS forwards to satisfy the 1st & 2nd unit PP (we currently have Z'bad, Fast on the way back who I don't know if you want him on the PP, but heck why not try him) AND you only have 1 RHS D'man in Shattenkirk, then you can wind up with 4 LHS & 1 RHS on the PP and that is not an optimal mix IMO......... Then we have the Cap to deal with which is as important a consideration +/- and the Righty - Lefty thing on Defense............. Again IMO: we need to get PIONK into NHL Game-Shape asap "OR" consider trading for a RHS Defenseman.... I don't think we need a Wing, we have RHS VINNY LETTIERI who from the small sample we saw in pre-season, I believe this kid would excel on 2nd unit PP..... I'd be very happy with a buzz-saw of a 4th line of FAST (RHS)/DESHARNAIS (LHS)/LETTIERI (RHS)

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:24 pm EST

AS for the game....I expect DESHARNAIS and his extra minutes to be a match for the BJs physicality..

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:23 pm EST

MF - You may be ready to roll with Pionk, I'm not...Nowhere near ready for the NHL at the end of camp IMWO...Maybe another 30-40 games..GRAVES is another story..but then there's all righty-lefty crapola..

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:19 pm EST

Hospo: I'm expecting the CBJ's to play a physical game against us and we're gonna feel it, and be banged up... Kitchen1 ???

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:18 pm EST

RF: DAY may just be one of those big boy Defenseman who needs an additional year to put it all together but I don't see him as being behind in his development... The kid is 19 2/3rds y/o, 6'2" - 230 lbs and is a way above avg skater And he has been quoted, "as liking to play the RHS more than the LHS but he's just happy to play." ........ Thinking outside the box; ""if we can trade Girardi's Cap Hit we can buyout Staal"" promote Holden to the 3rd pair LHS, and have Graves in the on deck circle for 1st call-up in case of injury...... It's time for PIONK to get a sniff of regular duty on the RHS 3rd Pair too..... I'm ready to move Spaghetti-head DeAngelo and run with PIONK

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:14 pm EST

After being questioned and realizing they have been playing like crap, this is the type of game--against a good team--the Rangers usually come back and play well..I'm expecting a 4-2 (with an EN goal) win...or maybe that's just wishful thinking from an eternal optimist..

Hospo


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:02 pm EST

Day behind Gilmour... you're bolstering my position TD!!

Rf4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:56 am EST

Anyone here have a handle on Edmonton's and Detroit's defense and outside of McD, Shat, & Skjei what they may be looking for? t/y

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:55 am EST

NJ back up to play against the Rangers.

Rf4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:33 am EST

Dear Chopped Contestants: for this round you have a traderator in your baskets. By now you all should be well aware of the situations on defense, the center position, and finishing the play on the offensive side of the game... Your mission is to pull off one, but not more than two trades to make this year's 2017/2018 NY Rangers Stanley Cup Contenders... Failure to do so get's you chopped! Good Luck contestants.....

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:10 am EST

Non-Hockey: Yankees at Houston tonight, Vic, have a horse in this race? Let's Go Yankees! ;-)

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:06 am EST

Ola - I have to double check, but I don't think Lundmark scored 90-plus goals in the NHL before his 24th birthday...

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:04 am EST

KAMPFER, DeANGELO and FAST skating as extras today...will all be in the stands...HANK between the pipes...Jackets up and down...got beat pretty bad by Chi-town the other day, but came back with a solid effort versus Carolina. I fully expect the Rangers to get steamrolled in this one. Jackets have four very strong lines. Not many weak links...the Rangers have a whole line of weak links...and a couple other lines that wouldn't know how to play D if it bit them on the ass.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:02 am EST

Vic- Couldn’t agree more on Galchenyuk. Sorry, the kid is just not a very good hockey player. Reminds me a bit of Jamie Lundmark...

Ola


Fri Oct 13 2017 11:01 am EST

Sounds like Stephane DA COSTA is about to sign in Switzerland. Thought he would have made a nice add, but given this team's defensive woes...probably not so much.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:58 am EST

On GALCHENYUK....I've never watched a game he has played in where I said..."WOW! What a talent!". In fact, in most games I never noticed him or heard his name called much. Granted, I don't watch a lot of Montreal games. Mostly just when the Rangers play them. And he has been about as invisible as can be in those games. The guy may have all the talent in the world but he is at best an Enigma. The Rangers don't need another Enigma. They have too many of their own. And Enigmas don't win you Cups.

Vic


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:41 am EST

So huh...is that the flu...or "the flu"....C'mon Gorton. Get on the goddamn horn with Montreal. Offer them any pair off the Wolfpack roster...sans CHYTIL...and a pick. Get'er done.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:38 am EST

Ola/RF4L - We have Steve KAMPFER and McILRATH is still in the minors...we won!!! Oh wait...never mind.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:36 am EST

RF - I really think you're looking at DAY with blinders...taking his move to Windsor as evidence that he's not a viable prospect...which I don't think is accurate or fair assessment of a kid who is only 19. I'll give you this: I was less than impressed with what I saw in TCT. And I would have preferred for him to bust the doors off in camp...but just like with GRAVES and the NHL, Day was/is facing stiff competition in Hartford: BEREGLAZOV, PEDRIE and GILMOUR --all with professional experience under their belt...and CRAWLEY, who is a year older, even though he was drafted last summer...He will likely be in the USNTDP camp and he's playing top-line minutes in the OHL...So essentially, the Rangers are following your game plan for developing prospects: Allowing a kid to develop consistency and dominate at his age level before promoting him to the next...The alternatives were to potentially lose a guy like Bereglazov to the KHL so Day could get bottom pairing minutes...or send the guy to play against lower-tier professional competition in Greenville...personally, I would be disappointed if the Rangers decided to trade him...because I think he will pull it all together eventually and be a solid NHLer...but I would bet that if the Rangers wanted to get someone like GALCHENYUK or DUCHENE, that Day would be a great piece to dangle. He's done nothing to diminish his value since the draft.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:30 am EST

Ola...make that 4 games!

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:17 am EST

Per Joey Alfieri‏ @joeyalfieri (TSN690) .... Alex Galchenyuk (flu) not practicing today #TSN690

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 10:10 am EST

Defensive pairs from the morning skate: Ryan McDonagh paired with Nick Holden... Marc Staal paired with Kevin Shattenkirk.... Brady Skjei paired with Brendan Smith ...MF... Got you. I think Hank is still pissed with him for telling him to calm down. Also, It has to be somewhere that Hank feels he has a chance at winning a cup. I think that's the only way he would agree to a trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:59 am EST

tdchi- Derek Stepan has one secondary assist in three games for Arizona making 6m per, we won! ;)

Ola


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:48 am EST

Rhet, I was sendind Hank to the desert

mf


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:42 am EST

Pro Hockey Rumors‏ @prohockeyrumors .... Mark Streit, Marek Hrivik Placed On Waivers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:29 am EST

Alexei Cherepanov was in his third season with Avangard, in Siberia. In his rookie season in the Russian Superleague, Cherepanov had more points than Evgeni Malkin, Alexander Ovechkin, and Ilya Kovalchuk at the same age of 17. Cherepanov beat the Russian league rookie goal-scoring record previously held by Pavel Bure.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:21 am EST

Wow, It's been 9 years since Alexei Cherapanov passed. He would be 28 today, such a tragedy. The best NYR prospect we've had in years... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uELk32JFys

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:03 am EST

TD: On Graves, I hope you're right but fear you're not. The landscape for this kid will change I think if Ruff takes over.

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 9:01 am EST

TD: No, I don't consider Day a top prospect. I see the raw skillset for sure but I am questioning his hockey sense and that's something that's difficult to teach (if it's teach-able at all). After 4 years in junior, it's surely a disappointment that he got sent back vs playing in the AHL but given where he is it makes sense. Just like Gropp going back as an over-ager last year, one has to believe the Rangers are disappointed this is the move that made the most sense. Am I writing the kid off? Of course not but for sure, he's moved down the depth chart. To me Graves and Pionk are both ahead of him and perhaps even that Russian d-man they signed from the KHL, too. He's got a long way to go IMO.

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:47 am EST

Rhet0ric - Yup, totally agree. I do wish someone on the Habs' organization would toss up the 'cut bait' sign on GALCHENYUK now, but I think you're dead-on...the big question is, will the Habs' continued woes force their hand? I really think what we'll see in the near future is DUCHENE to the Habs for a package that includes Gally and maybe a prospect...I can't imagine that with the Canadiens woes in the middle that they're not sniffing really hard around Doosh...but I'll dare to dream...I'd absolutely love Galchenyuk on this roster...He'd actually be a perfect third line center in AV's system, since he'd slide in with two talented wingers...unlike in Montreal, where they seem to love to put him with absolute trash...I just keep thinking back to that gold medal winning 2012-13 U.S. team and the 1-2 punch he and MILLER gave them.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:40 am EST

"AV won't play Graves" - I'm still waiting on the reason for this...I don't disagree, since the Rangers have FIVE left-handed defensemen on a roster with EIGHT total defensemen, including the captain, a second-year pro most Ranger fans believe is untouchable, and a veteran who has a NMC clause, and a guy who they traded two picks for and resigned over the summer --ALL lefties. If Gorton pulls his head out of his ass and trades at least a couple of those five lefties, I can't see anything in GRAVES' game that would prevent him from jumping in the lineup...I know you think he's this physical shut-down defenseman of the ilk of McILRATH, but that's simply not the case. In truth, he's exactly the type of defenseman AV likes: Fast, can jump in the offense, and has a good first pass out of the zone. Why would he not play him, save for the above stated reason?

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:34 am EST

And...the Rangers are 1-3, with D'ANGELO being a healthy scratch his last game and ranking -3, while ANDERSSON is scoreless in three games with Frolunda after being cut from the NHL. Are we ready to call the winner of the STEPAN trade so soon? Right.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 8:29 am EST

RF4L - re: DAY. C'mon. You seriously consider him a marginal prospect? Total hogwash. He's a top prospect and would be in any organization. And if you don't believe that, then you clearly haven't seen him at his best. The kid is 230-plus pounds, moves like the wind and has a nasty shot from the point. There's a good chance of him going to the WJCs this year on a very competitive U.S. squad. Even if you haven't seen him, by virtue of the fact that the USNTDP thinks he's top-30 or so among U.S. born players should tell you a lot about where he stands talent-wise. I agree that it'd be stupid to pass up a deal trading him and GRAVES for GALCHENYUK...the latter is an NHLer who has already scored 30 goals in the pros and the other two, despite having a lot of talent, may never amount to much...so it's a no-brainer deal, agreed. But that said, you love undercutting Ranger prospects to back up your own perspective that the team has none...and that the system is bare...and that's simply not the case.

tdchi


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:55 am EST

WIld: Because Day is NOT a top prospect (except in your world). He's a so-so prospect. And AV won't play Graves. Mind you, if/when AV is finally fired, Ruff might. I was impressed with Graves during pre-season and he sure looked like he's capable of playing at the NHL level. Mind you, Chytil looked impressive too and we've seen how that's gone once the real hockey kicked in.

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:52 am EST

You know in pondering the Miller at center thing I'm thinking AV is correct in keeping him at wing. I believe JT would rather play there and I also believe he's a better winger vs a center. I think his skillset lends itself better to the former - his size, speed, aggressiveness and ability to protect the puck all fit that position. That said, yo-yo'ing him is wrong. I understand the gap at center. I understand he's likely a better choice there vs other options. So what has more significance? The gap at center or having Miller play in a spot that fits his strengths better?

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:50 am EST

Rf that would probably be his dream team

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:47 am EST

RF4L: yes I sure said I would t trade two prospect defenders who are both more than likely to be regular NHL D for one forward who may or may not ever be more than he has been including his sub 50% face-off percentage. Young D are hard to find, you don’t put two together in one trade. But I forget you think every player picked sucks in some way or was overdrafted...so of course you think neither are all great shakes.....Graves is banging on the NHL door and Day is a top prospect. Why in the world would you give both for a C/W that struggles away from the puck, has had one really good year and isn’t all that good at face offs?

Wildcard


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:28 am EST

Speaking of Stepan - what an acquisition so far by the Yotes: 4 games, 2 assists and -3. The Yotes 1 point in 4 games, languishing in a familiar spot in the standings: 2nd last. All that for $6,500,000/year.

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 7:25 am EST

stevie: Guess AV needs an entire team of Quickies!

rF4l


Fri Oct 13 2017 3:21 am EST

Doesn’t sound like gallonupchuk would be a good fit for veenyo. He’s a d first coach and this kid sounds like he’s an o first player. If a player don’t fit , quit. I think that’s pretty much a fact with this coach. Don’t get him players he won’t like to play.

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 13 2017 12:05 am EST

TD.... Totally agree about Galchenyuk. The Canadiens have totally screwed with the kid's head. He doesn't know what he's supposed to be anymore. They took away the center position from him with the idea that it would take that pressure off him and he could just focus on scoring. That has had the opposite effect and then some. Then they decided to move him to the 4th line without talking to him about it. You know like telling him what they wanted him to work on or that they were moving him to begin with. You have to explain those things to young players. They've messed with him so much now they've affected his trade value. They initially wanted a center and a defenseman for him(they traded their best defensive prospect to get Drouin). They're not going to get that now, They're holding on to him hoping they can correct what's wrong to increase his trade value (back to what it was) and then trade him. Good luck with that .....MF.... I don't get it. Why would we want Stepan back? What did I miss? I do however want Raanta back. One short season and he's an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:31 pm EST

rngrsans: it was to point out that fans don't accept losing and a continuum of, you / me / we can post our opinions as long as we play by the rules

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:19 pm EST

Hey mf Not sure what your post was about but I'm not a knicks fan And I don't appreciate losing

rngrsans


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:09 pm EST

read this Alex Galchenyuk article and you can't help but think that part of this kid just doesn't want to play defense.. Defense & Pitching win games, and come the playoff's, do we want a kid that doesn't get psyched up/out by playing great defense? (not me)

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:48 pm EST

The response of an offense-starved team has been to repeatedly demote a purely offensive player to a checking-line role. Why not do the opposite and park him on line 1? ...http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-habs-should-try-positive-reinforcement-with-alex-galchenyuk

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:35 pm EST

Rhet: Can we reunite Hank with Stepan? PS, I've got the glue! :->)

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:34 pm EST

rngrsans et al: To the imbecile who said that Knick fans will accept losing from the Ranger Fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQ0ftoiIQxU

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:27 pm EST

Arizona Coyotes‏Verified account @ArizonaCoyotes .... UPDATE: Antti Raanta has suffered a lower-body injury and will not return to tonight's game.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:04 pm EST

Wild: YOu wouldn't trade GRAVES and DAY for GALCHENYUK? Is that what you said? No, surely I misread....

rF4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:39 pm EST

I have no idea what you think about Hayes but based on your track record you may think the Rangers would lose in that trade....

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:37 pm EST

You mean that AVS team and management that are about the worst in the NHL....They can't do anything right...I wouldn't listen to those idiots either...The Rangers stay the way they are at center and even you will get tired of making excuses for them.....

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:32 pm EST

What I find amazingly funny is that you think I feel Hayes and Duchene have equal skill....point is they don't...thats the entire point LOL

Wildcard


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:32 pm EST

PJ: It has nothing to do with Hayes. It has to do with Duchene. If Anyone but Sakic was in charge Duchene would have been gone over a year ago. The coaching staff has never liked him...well until Sakic hired a "yes man" to run the bench. Former players don't like him. I actually know a member of the AVS coaching staff, he can't stand Duchene, because he doesn't listen, he only does what he wants and if he is forced to do other things he puts and his entire game slips. When he is getting the puck in the zone and getting chances he is happy and keeps playing hard. He has had one season, just one that he actually did everything he was asked, then he reverted. HE is a bad player team wise. I wouldn't give more than Hayes because Duchene is the best and fasted way to drag your team down....and Sakic is the second best way to do it...

Wildcard


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:24 pm EST

Wild..You should be laughing at yourself...Yes Kreider leaves us wanting now in a big way...The AVS wouldn't trade Duchene for him in a million years so you need not worry...And suggesting Hayes for Duchene just shows how much of a homer you continue to be....Do you really watch this team?....

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:04 pm EST

td: I don't think I would trade those two together for him. He has skill, but I have ALWAYS had the feeling that his skill outreaches his ability. What I mean is that he always felt like a guy that will never reach his potential, I don't know if the management of his ice time has had that much effect on him....I think he is what he is. Now they are misusing him right now, he isn't a 4th line guy, even if he puts 100% effort in and really wants to bring that type of game he put can't...its not in him skill wise. I mean that would be like asking ZBad to be a 4th line grinder..just aint happening. I would give ONE of Graves of Day, Graves basically on his own, Day with a pick. Graves is so close to the NHL and I think will be very solid, I don't want to ship that off to a team we will likely have to go through more times than not in the post season over the next years. Day could come back to bite us as well, but I think the Rangers already have a guy or two that can bring what his game is supposed to be, so he may be blocked anyway unless he really steps his game up past them. I would give up more with him, Day and a 3rd, or a 2nd for Galchenyuk but not two top D prospects...thats a LOT to give up. They may want a F prospect instead though...or along with a D prospect. Gropp or Tambellini might do it along with Day....I would at least chat with them....

Wildcard


Thu Oct 12 2017 8:07 pm EST

Rhet0ric - If we could trade...say...GRAVES and DAY or something to that effect for GALCHENYUK...I'd do it in a heartbeat. In fact, I'd trade any pair of defensive prospects we have, save for maybe SKJEI...who ain't really a prospect...but I digress...IMO, the Habs have basically taken a kid who has a boatload of talent and who was well on his way to stardom and basically driven him into the ground with mismanagement...Actually, if there is a kid that is an EXCELLENT example of a player who was hampered by a team that rushed him along...and who has stagnated on a team that simply doesn't know how to use a player of his caliber...He's been dicked around by THERIEN and now JULIEN...they keep trying to beat the defensive game into his head and that's simply not the player he is or likely will ever be...circle peg they're jamming into a square hole...but he's an offensive force and a guy who, IMO, was always most comfortable at center...He is, to a large degree, Montreal's JT MILLER...which is ironic, because those two up the middle on the US squad were critical to them winning the 2012-13 WJCs...I think he'd be an absolutely awesome add to this team...but I suspect it's moot because I can't see the Habs trading him unless they get a center back...or a top-pairing defenseman...in other words, I don't think a pair of prospects will cut it...if it will, then it's a no-brainer, IMO. Galchenyuk on a line with Miller and VESEY would be a gigantic leap in the right direction.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:46 pm EST

Bob: Miller will get a substantial raise. He leads the team early this season in 5on5 points with 3 points and is at .75 ppg. If he continues to get that kind of production he will end up at about 62 points. That would be a career high, following up a career high, at only 2.75 mil right now. He will get 4.25-4.75 (Kreider type money) on his next deal.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 12 2017 6:58 pm EST

Hey TD.... Alex Galchenyuk is available, what do you think? He might only cost us some defensive prospects. He's currently playing on the 4th line.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 12 2017 6:52 pm EST

MF... I would only bother to sign two of those 4 players.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 12 2017 6:50 pm EST

So far, those contracts will not cost much.

Bob


Thu Oct 12 2017 6:33 pm EST

Nash, JT Miller, Hayes, Grabner, are all playing for their next contracts

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 6:03 pm EST

PJ: LMFAO....you are worried that KReider will always leave us feeling wanting more...but you would tare him for Duchene...MR underachiever....LOL...smart move....I wouldn't even do that 1 for 1....they want Duchne for Hayes...yeah...I would do that and hope the Rangers locker room could get the guy into line....but that would be a miracle.

Wildcard


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:47 pm EST

TD: you certainly got me thinking we should include NASH in a trade... I'm on the fence, he's a damn good hockey player and today's NHL game should favor him offensively, but he's missing a locked and loaded one time slap shot which seems like a major shortcoming........ Hey K-Mart Shoppers: We are no longer discounting our "Tra-der-ator's" :->) supply & demand

mf


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:30 pm EST

DESHARNIAS shouldn't even be on the freaking roster, let alone in a top 9 forward position...Up shit's creekj without a paddle is where Gorton and his incompetent summer has left the Rangers for this year...But..But..Chtyl and ANdersson muight help us compete in a few years after they learn the god damn game ..Efff that..

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:26 pm EST

PJ - I think we agree on almost everything! Sorry about that.....And TDCHI -your latest stream of posts are reminding me of somebody, but I just can't put my finger on it..:)..Keep on banging!

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:25 pm EST

Who the F is saying DESHARNAIS is on second line? Z-line is first. HAYES line is second. Desharnais is being paired with MILLER and VESEY. I don't agree with LB much, but he pretty much spelled out why Miller is being slotted to the wing in pretty succinct terms...and quite frankly, if CHYTIL is going to be in the minors and there's no stomach to promote either LETTIERI or NIEVES, then they don't have much choice...He'll get 15 minutes of ice...plus or minus, which some would argue is too much...but if we're talking about putting guys into places where they will succeed, this is probably the best bet for this roster. I actually think VESEY-DESHARNAIS-MILLER sounds like a pretty good line.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:16 pm EST

PJ - I don't think I have to remind anyone here about how I felt about GLASS. But I would gladly hand Glass his last contract, shake his hand for another three years and get him in the lineup instead of CRACKNELL, who is an utter and complete waste of a roster space. The fact he's getting into another game is dumbfounding.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:13 pm EST

I think it's more than warranted to ring the alarm bells at this point in the season...especially given the sudden about-face shift in personnel after the Leafs matchup. That kind of knee-jerk BS is the stuff a coach who things --whether rightly so or not --that he's on the hot seat. To slide KAMPFER in and play CRACKNELL while keeping DESJARDINS on a PTO...and the whole episode with CHYTIL...all bush league. All lateral moves at best...Like I said earlier today: The most alarming part here is that after blowing leads and not showing a bit of fight after going down in the playoffs last season and the season before, this group of clowns picked up exactly where it left off. I thought STEPAN was traded as a shakeup. Ditto with the GIRARDI buyout...I though RUFF being brought in was another way to light a fire...but we're right back to game six against the Sens...knuckling under to weak teams and getting bowled over by stronger ones...but all that said, I still look at the talent they have and how well they can look at times and don't see a bottom 10 finish. I think we're in for a crazy fall and then at some point, Gorton is going to drop a bomb. I think this team's issues are rather easily solved...but it's going to take a ballsy move to solve them...it's going to take a leap of faith. The East is wide open...and a bit of reality, we ARE only four games into an 82 game season...but if there was ever a wake up call for this team, it's been these first four games...none of which were played even remotely well enough to say these guys are contenders.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:10 pm EST

Desharnais to second line should be enough to get AV canned...I hated this signing and now this fidget will be in the top 6....

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:08 pm EST

Stop insulting Glass by comparing him to Cracknell....Glass is a better skater...I though Cracknell was going to fall down a few times the other night.....Just got his double runners off...A total dufus....

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 5:05 pm EST

AVS wouldn't trade Duchene for Kreider...I would do it if they would....I have a feeling Kreider will always leave us wanting...

PJ


Thu Oct 12 2017 4:22 pm EST

HOSPO—I don’t think they will be bottom 3 in the NHL.......but I also don’t think they make the top 8 in the East. I don’t think Henrik gets over about .905 in the save % department, and that dooms this club. If they could lock it down on D it would be different, but I just don’t see that as possible with this group.

Bob


Thu Oct 12 2017 4:06 pm EST

I still think veendontknow ‘s obsession with speed is making them predictable and stoppable. He needs more dimensions and speeds . Try changing gears or don’t buy a 10 speed.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:41 pm EST

BOB - While I don't think we will sink to that level and will still be fighting for a PO spot...I so agree..But I just can't caccept or come to terms with it...Rather rage against the incompetence machine..

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:17 pm EST

Just so you all know. you might have seen an earlier post from me that I expected the Rangers to join the lottery this season. So far, I see no reason to amend that opinion. Not that I WANT this to happen, of course. They are no longer strong enough in the net to overcome there other deficiencies, and they have a coach who is in love with a style and with players that are not likely to be successful. I have come to accept our fate. Henrik is not the goalie and AV is not the coach, and Nash is not the "best forward" that will lift the cup in NY. They had their chance, had a good run, and choked. I am reading George Grimm's book and the parallels are there. The Rangers should have won the cup in the 70's and they should have won it withing the past 5 years. Time to start on the next generation. No organization with Glen Sather as president will win the cup. The best thing he did for the Rangers was get fleeced by Neil Smith for Graves and Messier.

Bob


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:14 pm EST

And while we're at it...I'm no D'Angleo fan..but you don't waste the kid by keeping him pinned to the bench..Play him or demote him schmucko...!

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:11 pm EST

DESHARNAIS at 2nd C?????...AYFKM.....???? BOB had this insanity completly pegged a month or so go...It's bad enough we signed that little turd, now he's gonna get 15-20 mins night??...Do you laugh or cry at the incompetence of GORTON and AV....????

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:03 pm EST

Question for the Wall. Would you trade KREIDER @4.6 mill for 3 years for DUCHENE @6mill for 2 years?

Pal17


Thu Oct 12 2017 2:43 pm EST

Rf sather stole mcdoodie and overpaid on other trades because he was and is desperate. He opened his mouth and never really backed it up. His only nyr cup was 1994 when he traded away his oilers.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 2:26 pm EST

stevie: Don't get me started on the MSL Ranger tenure. It was acceptable in the beginning I guess (in part sadly because his mother abruptly died), but horrid in the end and Nob for Life ridiculously overpaid to get him. At least Day-R-Nay didn't cost anything.

rF4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 2:19 pm EST

Assvipe thinks dayjarnay is Marty St. Louis. Remember when he put him at center ?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 2:19 pm EST

NYStranger: My answer is none of the above.

rF4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 2:19 pm EST

LOL...Day-R-Nay 2nd line center. LOLOLOL...

rF4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 1:38 pm EST

I've already mentioned how pathetically stupid I think it is that DEHARNAIS is on the 2nd PP unit while HAYES kills penalties. Basically what AV is saying is that he sees DEHARNAIS as the better offensive player and HAYES as the better defensive player. That is about 180 degrees from making any sense as you could get. And now we are going to compound that stupidity by moving that offensive juggernaut DEHARNAIS up to the 2nd line? Am I in an episode of the Twilight Zone? Am I on Candid Camera? Surely this can't be real......

Vic


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:57 pm EST

....re-signed....

NYStranger


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:56 pm EST

Should have been a poll question: who gets te-signed by their respective team first? Taveres or Nash? So funny I might cry

NYStranger


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:33 pm EST

jt jitters not a center again...carey is....

stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:32 pm EST

stevielegs - ain't no one I'm gonna give a pass to...that includes AV, McD, and Gorton...all complicit in this dreadful start. We shall see what happens against the BJs, but let's just say I'm not too encouraged. And 1-4 is starting a deep hole given how this team generally performs mid-season.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:31 pm EST

line generator is just warming up....could have 40 combos by game 80.... Matt Calamia‏Verified account @MattCalamia New #NYR lines at practice: 61-13-36, 26-51-10, 40-28-25. Mika line same. D pairs: 27-55, 18-22, 76-42, 47-77.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:30 pm EST

Steve Zipay Retweeted Pro Hockey Rumors‏ @prohockeyrumors 44m44 minutes ago Marek Hrivik also on waivers today.

stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:28 pm EST

Desharnais moved up to the 2nd line with Miller and Vesey. This is not exactly unexpected. Holden moved up to the top defense pair. You cannot make this stuff up.

Bob


Thu Oct 12 2017 12:00 pm EST

tdchi - Agree ... The players are not totally blameless ... But I do think it is hard for them because of the direction/lack of that they are getting from Vigneault & Arneil ... Ruff is too new to include ... yet.

RF73


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:47 am EST

Tdchi then start with captain mcdoodie parmenter. Guy facial expression looks like constipation and half of the time he’s full of it.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:44 am EST

GALCHENYUK is back on fourth line in Montreal. Imagine he is going to be at the center of a deal for DUCHENE...but for shots and grins, I wonder what he Habs would take for him. I would love to get him on a line with MILLER...also hearing the ATHANASIOU situation is about to come to a head...and we have eight defenseman...someone explain to me why and how come the Rangers aren't making a push for any of these forwards, including SHIPACHYOV...not a matter of 'if' they need a forward. Not even a matter of when....

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:38 am EST

C'mon. You can't give players the pass. I know it's easy to think if AV goes that suddenly we'll be a better team...but that's all but ignoring the shit sandwich these players have given in two consecutive post-seasons, all culminating with this piss-poor start. It's time for the Rangers' core players to shit or get off the pot.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:29 am EST

RF73 - I think I am less of a fan of GORDO than most on here but, geesh, that's an underwhelimg resume....OTOH, the schools don't really matter, it's how you apply things..

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:13 am EST

Thanks Vic! ... I'm fired up ... because players and management alike just want to quote from the hockey book of cliches and excuses ... and I'm tired of it ... I'll cut you some slack if you are at least competitive but I'm not even seeing that ... just a lot of sad, mopey faces looking like "which way did he go George"

RF73


Thu Oct 12 2017 11:02 am EST

Speaking of Ranger management failures … Sather … How many other Pres./GM’s would still be with the same organization for 17 years (since 2000) with no cups and only one trip to the SC Finals? … In fact, it has been 29 years since Sather has won anything … Let’s turn to Gorton … His resume includes the following … Gorton is a graduate of Bridgewater State College with a degree in physical education in 1991, and he received his master's degree from Springfield College in sport management in 1993 … Along with Vigneault this Bermuda Triangle of mismanagement continues to destroy this proud franchise … You can blame the players all you want but they are mostly kids just doing what they are told and all of that blame belongs to the Bermuda Triangle for the way they have built & the way they are running/ruining this organization.

RF73


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:41 am EST

RF73: You know I am in 100% "agreeance".

Vic


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:38 am EST

RF73 - I think those are all valid criticisms, but I'm not sure if any other than Ex. C pertains to AV. Pretty sure that's the Rangers' front office scheduling the ridiculous exhibition schedule. And while I agree the Rangers carry too many guy in camp, they are hardly alone. There were at least tic teams that had almost 40 guys in camp rolling into their last exhibition game...but that doesn't mean there ain't a shit-ton of fault to be heaped on AV. First: the entire DESIGN of this team is predicated on them playing four relatively even strength lines, and AV Aja's all but refused to ice one that can do such a thing. Like CHYTIL. He skated in a specific spot between two skilled guys and on the PP, only to have his role diminished and then eliminated...then the D pairings. Anyone could see that DeANGELO was going to be an adventure on D. Ditto, to a lesser extent, with SHATTENKIRK. You could have reached this conclusion BEFORE camp and hen worked to find good compliments. But that wasn't ever tried and the bulk of camp was auditions for the goddamn seventh and eighth defender spots...and think that over for a minute...the absolute INSANITY of that premise. That's all on AV....then back to CHYTIL: I do t for one minute believe this kid did anything in 12 minutes of ice to suddenly change AV's judgement of his readiness. The games he played in were no slower or less skilled than bulk of those he played in during exhibition. All teams still look rusty as shit...and thats why we have trainwreck-to-be teams like Vegas, Jersey and Colorado winning games...but back to AV: even if we take for granted that he DID all of a sudden have a change of heart...well...it was a mighty large change...the guy did nothing...zilch...zero...to prepare for life with MILLER at center. And that's DESPITE having several screaming alternatives. As I've mentioned repeatedly, there were any number of waiver wire players who I docile have fit right into the Rangers lineup...I mention RYCHEL over and over because he is essentially a JT MILLER-type player. Could have seamlessly slotted into the wing spot he vacates and provided that same banging ability LB was blatherin about. Ditto with MATTEAU. Ditto with LIPON...or you could promote LETTIERI, who, IMO, earned a spot on this team...yet the answer according to AV is f'ing Cracknell....a guy AS-SLOW as Tanner GLASS and with just as little offensive ability...he pretty much is a less-physical version of Glass...but I think the LARGEST exhibit you omitted was that this team, despite its veteran core being altered, STILL can't find the intearinal fortitude to come from behind...or to play 60 minutes...or to do anything with consistency...I look at this lineup and I see so much wasted promise...so many guys who we keep saying 'this is his year'...so much lack of understanding for the competition they face this season, where the entire conference is pretty bad-ass...I just can't fathom a guy like fucking Rick NASH saying publicly that he doesn't think he's played bad and that stats aren't everything...STFU!!! And Kevin HAYES, who has quietly put in a dismal four games as our new second line center...or KRIEDER, who still can't figure out how to be the power forward he's designed to be....or HANK, who glares down his D, but is doing nothing to show up the critics who say he's too old...so yeah, if you want to pull exhibits, there are a lot here. Ones I would argue are more damning than the preseason moves.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:19 am EST

RF4L - I don't know about re-signing him, but you sure as hell don't extend him during the season and, if the team is looking like an also ran, you do everything you can to trade him this season..but...we'll see

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:13 am EST

Hospo / rf73 et al ... not you Irving moofman....sing along ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9mmF8zOlh_g

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:10 am EST

oops...that's the do not resign Nash bus I've boarded. Lots of others already on that bus. I think TD's driving it and rather recklessly at that...!

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:09 am EST

Oh and do NOT include next June's first rounder in a trade to land Duchense. HUGE mistake if so.

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:08 am EST

BTW, I've boarded the don't resign Nash regardless of the amount/term next summer. Nice guy and all that (which is part of his problem I've said more than once) but enough is enough.

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:07 am EST

Fire AV. And Sather while you're at it.

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:06 am EST

LeoS - LOL!! Very true!!

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 10:02 am EST

tdchi - chest??? A firm yet gentle massaging of the puck towards the goaltender's PADS is the Rick Nash Way. Preferably from as close to the blue line/side boards as possible.

LeoS


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:53 am EST

RF73 - Bingo!

Hospo


Thu Oct 12 2017 9:26 am EST

Rf73 part of it is the defense resting as is the offense and goalie. I think all 3 goals were on the d being beat like a dead mules . Then there are the usual suspects, hanky and Nash the $8 million dollar men . Guess if they were making $4 mil the spotlights might not be so bright. I assume fishboy has and is having conversations with sakic on douchshame . They both need to make a good deal. But sakic is in the driver’s seat by having a few teams inquiring. Seems like getting a top center is a lot better option than a top winger. I hope fishboy doesn’t make another overpaying staal deal and then coach analane undermines it . At some point fishboy needs to cut the chain of anchorlane. And use his ruff insurance policy. For whatever reasons this team continues to respond poorly to his leadership until panic sets in . That should be a telltale sign.

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 8:34 am EST

You schedule the preseason that leaves you a 10-day gap without playing a game … SHEER INCOMPETENCE!!!(exhibit A)...You didn’t cut the team down until the very last moment leaving no time for the team to bond or games to play … SHEER INCOMPETENCE!!!(exhibit B)…You are 4 games into the season and you are a “work I progress”??? ... SHEER INCOMPETENCE!!!(exhibit C) … Your Honor, the defense rests … Fire Vigneault…NOW!!!

RF73


Thu Oct 12 2017 8:09 am EST

The big hold up with DUCHENE, IMO, is that he's going to be up for free agency in less than two years...so you got a malcontent who is very talented, but could very well put up huge numbers and end up testing free agency. Nobody is going to want to pony up much more than prospects for a player like that...RF mentions the O'REILLY deal...the irony right now is that Sakic has cornered himself into a place where all teams are going to give for him are prospects and picks...he ain't going to get what he wants, which is something that will fill an immediate roster need.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 8:00 am EST

Rhet0ric - Agreed, but if SKJEI is going the other way...and if there's some way they can hold onto both MILLER and HAYES... DUCHENE does present a way in which the Rangers could upgrade their top nine. It'd mean downgrading a D that hasn't exactly looked great this season...but it would open up a slot for HOLDEN or SMITH on the left...or perhaps a spot for GRAVES on the left of PIONK on the right. Frankly, if I have my druthers, they'd go after a young, physical winger...my usual suspects in VIRTANEN or RYCHEL...Or hell, see what the LVK want for SHIPACHYEV...If they're going to move serious pieces like MILLER and/or HAYES and SJKEI, I'd be angling at MacKINNON. But lord knows they ain't trading him before Doosh.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:49 am EST

Rhet: Sakic already has a bad situation on his hands. Sitting on those hands is making it worse. He is so paranoid of duplicating the ROR trade it's paralyzed him.

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:48 am EST

Fire AV!

rf4l


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:46 am EST

Not worried about results?!? What?!? REALLY RICK?!? It's called you score and maybe the outcome of the game is different. No, you don't need to look at your personal stats...but you also need to look at your goddamn record: 1-3. And none of those games pretty. For F's sake, the Rangers need to turn the page on Nash. Five goddamn years of dealing with his lame-ass excuses. So tired of it. Produce, you ass clown. You get paid $7.8 million per year to do something other than throw the puck at the goaltender's chest.

tdchi


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:41 am EST

TD... That was more along the lines of Sakic's asking price and not reality.. Duchene is Stepan-esque, he's not Tavares or Stamkos. If Sakic doesn't come down to realit, he's going to have a bad situation on his hands. Duchene already looks like the Walking Dead, he wants to be anywhere but there. He never should've been allowed to play until his trade was done. All he's done since this summer is lower his value. If Sakic can't see that, he needs to be fired for not living in reality.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:29 am EST

Work in progress, quicker game = pet quickie! ....?.... call a timeout coach and pull your goalie...it’s the players... back up the bus Ralph cramden and bring Norton with you...you’re not responsible....maybe a bonding movie ? And some progresso soup...take another kick at the can ...

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 7:22 am EST

“It’s not one player,” he said. “(Fast) is an important player to our group here, but right now we’re a work in progress. We’re trying to sort out our identity here . . . I just think we can play a quicker game here than we are right now and that’s a combination of forwards and Ds being on the same page.”.... https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/jesper-fast-nearing-a-return-for-rangers-1.14434986

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:03 am EST

“The results don’t come when you focus on statistics,” Nash said. “For me, it’s always about taking the puck to the inside, getting to the net and making the simple right plays. I need to play better defensively, I know that. My defensive game sets up my offensive game. “I’m not worried, but it’s frustrating to have a start like this when you put in the work over the summer like I did and you come in ready to rock and roll.”......http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/j-t-miller-is-filling-one-hole-for-the-rangers-but-leaving-another/

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 12 2017 3:01 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/11/vigneaults-experiments-have-only-led-to-rangers-confusion/

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:30 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I think that package starts with SKJEI. I can't see the Avalanche divesting DUCHENE without a top defender going the other way...then likely either something like VESEY and and a mid-level prospect...or maybe GROPP and a first rounder...I don't think they move HAYES, because if they're going to go for something like Duchene, I don't see them getting weaker up the middle. Of course, I don't think the salaries would work out...Man, I just don't know how a deal like that goes down without ultimately making the Rangers weaker.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:49 pm EST

What are joining the "Rhect-ory?" Giving up glue & alcohol the same week? Is it Lent yet?

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:49 pm EST

THHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YANKEES WIN!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:48 pm EST

Yanks Win!

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:33 pm EST

Bottom of the 9th, let's go YANKEES! ...It looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hd1ciPnTGKg

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:30 pm EST

MF.... Apparently, these days he's a top pairing defenseman. Who woulda thunk?

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:20 pm EST

Rhet: Is Marc Staal still a Ranger or did we trade him to Edmonton? ;-)

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:40 pm EST

That's AV speak for Friday.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:39 pm EST

Per Zipay.... Vigneault said Fast, who was cleared for contact last week, completed on-ice testing before Wednesday’s skills practice, and had the fourth-highest score. “I think he’s closing in here, probably might need a couple practices,” Vigneault said. “I’m not exactly sure on a time length . . . (but) we’re going to (talk to the medical team) at some point today or tomorrow, and probably, I would say, in a week to 10 days here, he should be ready to go.”

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:20 pm EST

As part of a package, not as a swap of course.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:19 pm EST

What would a NYR trade for Matt Duchene look like? I'm reality, not crazy Sakic demands. Does Kevin Hayes go back the other way?

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:15 pm EST

Adrian Dater‏Verified account @adater ...... The lengthy list of teams with scouts at Avs game: Canucks, Stars, Habs, Rangers (two), Blackhawks, VGK, Kings, Oilers, Leafs, Ducks, Wings

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:01 pm EST

Come on Yankees. Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit drinking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VprQ4oOnu14

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:52 pm EST

Here's a thought, What if NYR fans sublimate and put their own insecurities on coaches because the game is not being played the way they think it should be played or the way they remember it was played when they were a kid? Nah, that's crazy. NM.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:35 pm EST

Wild: re we've been seeing this for the past 3 coaches: If you're right, that means the issue is with the roster make-up and regardless of who's behind the bench there's just more of the same to look forward to. Meaning the roster is flawed, has been flawed throughout Sather's entire regime, and rectifying it will be very difficult. It wont' happen as long as Sather's incompetent tentacles continue to slime away in the background. Geesh dude...that's really depressing - I think I prefer you to be the optimist on here!!!

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:33 pm EST

I wonder if after they realized Heetill wasn't gonna cut it, they have decided to showcase both Holden and Kampfire? Granted, Smith and CallmeTony have not played well, but are most likely the two that will be remaining Rangers looking forward. I am curious as to who AV will play on D Friday. I know the return for either or both Holden and Kampfire would equate to a ham sandwich, but throw in a forward/pick ? Hopefully Groton is thinking ahead for when Fast returns and creates some flexibility for trade.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:26 pm EST

The Red Wings are constrained by the cap and are having difficulty coming to terms with ATHANASIOU... "IF" I'm Gorton, I'm burning up the phones with Detroit trying to gauge their desperation..... The Rangers need to do something, I’ll leave it to some of the talent scouts on the Wall to chime in on ANTHANASIOU’S potential, but I’d be asking Detroit about the asking price on Zetterberg as well…. For all we know the Redwings may look at him as a notch above a salary dump… Zetterberg turned 37 years old 3 days ago and has 4 years remaining at $6.083 mill…. If he would guarantee to play this season and at least one more, I listening, and if he retires, I believe the team is off the hook for his salary, someone please confirm this is accurate, thanks …..http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/trade-re-sign-or-play-overseas-decision-coming-soon-for-athanasiou-and-red-wings

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:26 pm EST

Watching the Devils play the Leafs. Yikes, what a complete turn-around in NJ compared to all those years of plodding, boring, check the snot out of the excitement hockey. When do the Rangers play them? If they come out flat against this club, they'll be behind in like 2 freakin' minutes. Who the hell is Jesper Blatt!?!?

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 7:52 pm EST

Stevielegs: problem is....the same exact stuff was said about the last 3 NYR coaches...its getting a little tired from the excuse department...

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 7:52 pm EST

td: I think they will see what things look like after Fast is back and up to game speed. I also think that they wanted to see who was the best of the bunch sent to Hartford. Given that they will play a few more games before they get Fast up to speed someone may stand out more. Early on from what I have heard from folks who follow the pack closely, in the first 2 games Tambellini has been the guy they say looks like a different player than last season. Yes just 2 games, but if he keeps it up a couple more games, maybe they can bring him up and see what he can do from he 4th line. Then you have Cracknell as the extra F for injury fill ins or if one of the kids starts to hiccup and needs a night off...or even one of the vets if they need a night off. Anyway, I think that Fast coming back will get the ball rolling on some other moves. But I also think that the Rangers brass has decided to not overpay, and they will not make a deal unless its on their terms, and right now there are not many teams looking to make moves, in a few weeks teams will be more willing as they see what they need and get injuries. One good injury on D someplace and Holden suddenly becomes a very valuable part of a deal....

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 6:43 pm EST

With the belief by the coach and many fans of d first , the nyr are showing the results of that but also the mindset of it. Nash is an example of it and whistle to whistle is a bad mindset. The nyr are not aggressive and the speed theory is being over tested. How many good thundering hits have thrown. They are too cerebral , and not nearly close enough to what they need to be physically. The piece de resistance was froggy pulling hanky don 1 goal with 1.50 left. A complete boneheaded decision by the coach possibly costing them 1 point for a tie, and 2 for an ot win. Change the roster all you want, the philosophy is not changing. If you believe the coach is ok and it’s The players, then more of last night are in store.

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 11 2017 5:48 pm EST

with Fast, I think Carey sits...Who the other 4th liner will be is the question...Likely Fast for the first period on Friday until they fall behind...Then the Swedish Army knife gets played all over the top three lines....with Vesey or Miller likely for the 4th line

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 5:29 pm EST

FAST is likely to be back on Friday. Does that mean that Vesey goes back to the 4th line? We know how much AV loves 'Quickie' and he seems to play everywhere but the 4th line .....TD... I totally agree. There was no way the NYR were getting Nolan. There were just too many teams ahead of them.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 5:10 pm EST

Wild: Of course it's early and lots can change. We'll see how it plays out.

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 5:09 pm EST

vcp1994: Hey dude, it's all part of being a Ranger fan - some vent, some don't.

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:47 pm EST

Wildcard - That's fine...FAST is going to bump out CAREY or CRACKNELL. But then what? We're still left with a worthless forward in the lineup...one that isn't nearly as talented as the top three guys from Hartford or any number of guys they could have picked off the waiver wire. This team needs four balanced lines. Fast moves them in that direction, but doesn't bring them home.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:41 pm EST

Hospo - I just haven't gotten around to whipping on the rest of the roster. NASH I hit up...how about Kevin HAYES? Or Chris "potential" KREIDER? Or pretty much anyone who was on the roster for the Sens series not named ZUCCARELLO? Man, I don't think I've been as down on the Rangers as I am now since the goddamn pre-2005 lockout. There's more than enough blame to go around. Yes, they all fucking suck. Hardcore. My point with singling out CRACKNELL, KAMPFER and CAREY is that they're the low-hanging fruit. They're the guys that are doing nothing who clearly have no future or no real purpose on this team.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:33 pm EST

PatrickDiv - I feel your pain and agree with you, save for the REEVES lust. Think that guy is pretty much a waste of a roster space...but gotta stick up for the Rangers' not claiming NOLAN. Sabres were something like seven or eight spots ahead of New York. Gorton didn't even get a crack at Nolan, which is a shame...Of course, I would have offered the Kings a late-round draft pick for the guy instead of waiting on waivers...and given the asinine actions of Gorton lately, I'm not fully certain he would have claimed him anyway...Letting RYCHEL slip was beyond stupid...just like letting MATTEAU slip...and LIPON...and any number of good, physical forwards...CRACKNELL is a poor man's GLASS...and I know how tough that is to believe, but it's pretty much what we got: A guy who is a worse fighter/enforcer than Glass, but who is just as inept offensively. So f'ing pathetic.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:28 pm EST

vcp1994 - That's a fun way of looking at it...or try the Rangers jettisoned their top defensive forward, replaced him with no one and then grabbed a top pairing defenseman who is essentially a fourth forward. That's reality, bud. It's bleak. It sucks. And unless someone in management does a whole hell of a lot of pulling-their-head-from-their-assing, it's gonna mean the bleakest Ranger season since they shit-fest when Torts missed the playoffs his first year coaching here...My only hope is that if this is how things are going to go this year, that the Rangers really steer the nose cone to the ground...get us a shot at Brady TKACHUK. I'll gladly sing the praises of every Ranger if that's the end game...even NASHole.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:20 pm EST

Wildcard: Dude. Seriously? HUTTON: Hasn't ever/never will be a starting goalie for an NHL team. The fact he is a backup is pretty much a result of the cap. REGARDLESS: the Rangers made him look like an all-star. You want to credit the goalie? Go ahead. I call bullshit. The Rangers did nothing to challenge him in any sort of meaningful way. Put simply: THEY SUCKED.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 3:10 pm EST

Bob McKenzie... "No meaningful dialogue between Tavares and the NYI yet".... ...NEW YORK ISLANDERS McKenzie | Jury out on future of Tavares with Islanders... https://www.fanragsports.com/mckenzie-jury-out-on-future-of-tavares-with-islanders/ ....RF4L....In regard to Desjardins.... initially it was to see what he could offer as a player. They kept him all the way until the end of it to do him a solid and keep him with the team as long as possible. I guess they liked him? Maybe they needed an even number for poker night? Bob McKenzie... No meaningful dialogue between Tavares and the NYI yet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:52 pm EST

Boy this place is a soap opera ...its a long season jees....we flipped stephan for Shatty both getting same $$$$....would do that in a minute...glad i dont visit this place often

vcp1994


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:34 pm EST

Too bad we hit the "Craknell Pipe" instead of picking up Jordan Nolan or Rychel. If we were looking for grit and skating on the 4th line those two were there for the taking. I am not judging yet but I am struggling to understand why they picked him up instead of other younger, faster options. This team needs guys like Rousell or even a Ryan Reaves type. We have zero grit, don't crash the net and are pretty damn easy to play against. The mix is off & I am not sure if they know how to get it right. Another thing that is killing me (& my son) is what the F does Grabner do al summer to get ready for the season? Yeah, I get the box jumps etc but how about hiring a skills coach and practicing GDamn breakaways all summer? The guy gets 3 a game and cant finish!!!!

PatrickDiv


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:34 pm EST

RF4L: I said it during the good starts, and will say it now....5 games? 10 games? mean nothing...teams have gone from terrible to a top team fighting for the cup, or from the best team to missing the post season...10 games is nothing...5 is even less.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:33 pm EST

td: the 4th line is waiting on Fast. So its not like AV is wanting to have Carey and Cracknell as 2/3 of that line. Now once Fast is back IMHO they should look at what winger in the AHL is playing strong and give him a shot. I do think Cracknell is the guy who should be the extra F on the team. Not going to hurt him to sit and if he plays like he did the other night he will not do things that hurt the team. I then would look into moving a Dman for a C. I know some want at top 6 C, but thats going to be cost prohibitive. I mean maybe you could move Hayes and a D to get a top 6 C...thats possible, but you still lack depth at C with that move. Holden can be moved, and maybe a prospect or a pick for a 3rd line C. That will give them depth at C that could help some. I know its not the biggest move, but it will be a good one....not that I would be against moving Hayes and Holden and a pick/prospect for a 2nd line C, but I don't think that will be enough to get that done, and I don't want the Rangers overpaying.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:23 pm EST

Lots of angry posts today. What happens if/when the Rangers go 1 and 4 after getting pummeled by the BJs? BTW, the Rangers currently sitting 26th overall - they're in a lottery spot for the 1st pick overall!

rf4L


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:18 pm EST

And AV!

rf4L


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:17 pm EST

FIRE SATHER!

rf4L


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:13 pm EST

TDCHI Wow, like always, we couldn't disagree more, and it seems like a reversal of roles....I know your whipping boys like Kampfer, Carey and Cracknell and even the D'angelos are not much to speak of but the players that are crapping the bed and making this team suck right now are all the others from AV to Kreider to Nash to Miller to Hayes to the old Grabner to Desharnais and the discombombulated D...

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 2:06 pm EST

mf - its waaaaaaay too early to call the ball on the Rangers...I think there's a good chance they turn things around...but unfortunately, that starts with a coach and a recognition that AHL lifers don't belong in the lineup...and that if you keep trying the SAME things over and over, you're going to get the same results. I think what is happening with the PP is a great start. And if AV simply recognized the absolute critical importance of icing a four-line, three D pairing team, we'd be well on our way to the playoffs. But to shit the bed as bad as the Rangers have so far and to rely on guys like CRACKNELL, KAMPFER and to a lesser degree, CAREY...well, I'm not encouraged....so if this is the deal, the. Why wait to the deadline to trade NASH? Move him now. Get a good young player. And then go after someone who could actually help the team...I know it'll never happen, but if the Rangers could divest Nash and add in Jordan STAAL, team would be intimately better....I mentioned Brandon SUTTER the other day...same thing. Get a good, defensively sound center to take up third or better yet, second line detail...what they got now? Just awful. But who knows? Maybe these guys pull it together against the Blow Jobs. It would be a rallying point for a season that is on the verge of spinning out of control.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:59 pm EST

MF - where we disagree is with what we need at C..I don't think a 3rd-4th C will do much..I'm still highly doubtful of HAYES and even ZBAD outside the Power play..A top 6 center is what is needed..Not sure it's doable with what Gorton has left the Rangers with.We'll see

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:49 pm EST

Hospo, OK, that boat has sailed, still think they NYR's must re-set & restart as I believe you're in agreement with... so we won't win the President's trophy BFD, we just need to make it into the playoffs & win 16 games......... On D; we have a pool of uncertainty after Mcd, Shat, Skjei. Smith better find his game, and we have a not so merry-go-round for the 3rd pair. I'd start fortifying the line-up by figuring out what IS our best defensive make-up. Next: I think that a solid 3rd line / 4th line center will help calm things down and help build out from the net "once" the Brass figures out what to do on defense..... It's obvious that its easier to trade for a defenseman and 3rd/4th center than phishing for top talent at center.... This team is NOT Edmonton or Toronto with the young flash, nor is it Pitt or ChiTown with marquee talent, our M.O. was solid depth throughout, and that's the direction the situation seems to be calling for, 20 lunch-pail guys that are going to leave it all on the ice and everyone in the league is going to know when the Rangers are on their schedule....

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:45 pm EST

WILD - I'm with you in trading NASH at the deadline only if the season turns out as disjointed as it seems now and with no improvement at center...If you improve at C are competing for the Cup somehow...you keep him

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:25 pm EST

MF - That's what they were supposed to do in camp..Get ready..keep it simple and add as you go on..Poor coaching and planning by AV outside of the PP...But I guess that was ARNIEL????? Maybe he's the next coach??

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:21 pm EST

td: To be honest...I think Nash should be traded at the deadline. However, if he is not, and they want to resign him, I would say what is fair would be a 2 years deal. 2 mil per as a base, and another 2-2.5 in bonuses. So like 20 goals, playoff bonus for games, 30 assists, stuff like that. If the Rangers win the cup and he gets 20 goals and 30 assists he gets 2.5 mil more. 20 goals and 30 assists with a cup win and he is worth 4.5 mil easily....but since thats not going to happen, and he will want more guaranteed money and there are teams, even good ones that would give him 4-5 mil per for 3 or 4 years I say trade him at the deadline....he would bring back a good center, or a very good wing, maybe have to add a mid round pick to get a top end guy, but there would be good offers out there.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:15 pm EST

mf - here's the contract I'd give NASH: a piece of paper with me giving him the middle finger. He wants to give us a hometown discount? Great. Sign for a mil and a totally performance-based bonuses. What do the Rangers owe Nash? ZIPPO. A big-booted kick in the ass for being a worthless overrated hack who has literally eaten too-line minutes his whole time in NYC, but couldn't score a big-game goal if the net was empty and he other team forgot to take the ice. Here's the deal: Nash should sign in New York for peanuts. He should pay back some of the retirement plan the Jackers gave him and we traded for...h should do something for being a goddamn zero in the playoffs and costing us a cup.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:15 pm EST

td: On Smith...I have a reason...he played like crap the last game he was in. He deserved to be sat down for a game. Yeah, lets look at what a guy is paid and what was given up for him to make lineup decisions....such a top end way of evaluating the lineup. Sorry, thats not how you decide who plays. Yeah, Cracknell isn't some great shakes...but he didn't play poorly....and he brought something that is needed not he ice. Again, he shouldn't play every game, but he did well. Its funny that so many people will just ignore reality to make their argument sound better....yeah who cares about stats...they only show what a player actually does....also as for the game...I have said it over and over the 3rd was like a different team was out there. You can't possibly say that Hutton didn't play really well in the 3rd period....only an idiot or blind man would say that. He only had to be good for one period, and he was. It wasn't the Rangers making him look good...thats the most absurd thin I have ever heard...he actually made the saves, the Rangers actually had the chances, they actually shot the puck, they actually carrie the play....there is zero question about it....zero...you can't refute it, its "on film". Sorry to disappoint you, Hutton played a really good period and it wasn't because the Rangers "made him" good.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:09 pm EST

Well then retrench, start with the basics, build some confidence, and master the simpler game... We definitely have the pieces to burn the other team once we regain the puck

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:09 pm EST

td: Hutton has 8 shutouts in just over 100 games....sorry...thats a good backup. He has a decent record in the NHL. IN no world would anyone say he isn't capable in the NHL. I don't get how you can look at what he has done, and say he isn't good enough to be in the NHL.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:06 pm EST

Wildcard - you know I'm generally positive about this team. And I was encouraged in preseason...but not in my most deludedly positive moments about the Rangers would I consider Carter goddamn HUTTON anything more than an AHL goalie. He's not even a good backup. And the fact that the Blues started him over ALLEN goes to show you how much they feared the Rangers' offense. You can recite stats all day long and bend them to any slant you'd like. But the fact remains the Rangers made Hutton look like a star and he's far from one. That game was a disgrace...re: CRACKNELL: great. He hit people. Tanner GLASS used to do the same exact thing. That's nice and all, but he added ZERO to the game otherwise. Didn't start or contribute to any scoring chances. Didn't cause turnovers. Didn't do shit. And if I'm gonna put a guy in the lineup to not do shit, then I'm at least going to make sure he has talent enough to pot a goal in the unlikely event he gets a chance. There is literally NO GOOD REASON to have that clown in the lineup. Just like there is NO GOOD REASON to start a lifetime AHLer over the goddamn defenseman you traded away a second and a third for and then just signed to a new contract. There is clearly a disconnect between what AV sees, what Gorton wants and now what RUFF is calling for. This team is getting pulled in three very different directions and is ending up with a shit sandwich instead of results. This is the same team that sucked goat balls against the Sens, except now they're scoring on the PP and have a team defense that is in complete and utter disarray.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:04 pm EST

HOSPO: Agree, the entire team is playing too fancy. It works on the PP so I think they are trying to carry that over. However, Hayes is probably the biggest culprit of that...and Zucc, dude will pass from the crease standing behind the goalie to make it look good it seems. Hayes is a better player than many here give him credit for, but if they can get an upgrade at center by moving him and Holden, and a prospect I would do it. I tick they could do that as well, there are plenty of teams who are rebuilding and would take Hayes and a prospect to help that, and Holden is a decent D to have on the back end.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:00 pm EST

MF - Nash said it himslef last night about the team's issues...At ES they need to be playing more Straight ahead N-S game rather then the Kevin Hayes Dipsy doodle style...OK, it's not just Hayes but the entire team trying to be too fancy..KISS!!!!!

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:57 pm EST

I'm curious but not rushing the season to see just how much of a home town discount Rick Nash will give the Rangers come next contract... 3 years $4.5 mill seems like as good a number and term as any to throw out here.......... As for the Rangers, perhaps they should simplify their game at ES, focus on playing shut down defense, force mistakes, and then strike.. The PP is looking better, but even if we do Not score on the PP, we should be wearing down the other team so that it pays off throughout the game..... If we're going to lose, let's not make it easy for the opponent.....

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:57 pm EST

I could see having him focus more on scoring. Even if it hurts his all around game. I think the D is capable of shoring up (once they adjust to the newer system they are using with a new defensive coach and a new mix of players) and the forwards are better than they have been over the last couple years so I think the team can handle it. Not so sure the last few years, I think they needed Nash to help more away from the puck than to score....but who knows if its all him or if there is something else that we don't know, like an injury that has taken away something from his shot. He does score most of his goals in close now driving across the net, he doesn't fire the puck and beat anyone anymore, and maybe thats why he has changed his focus.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:52 pm EST

WILD - and I would counter that he should focus more on the scoring than the total all around....You got a thoroughbread, use him as one! if Nash mentally can't stand the snipes about his lack of backchecking and defense when scoring goals, he's too damn sensitive..And it doesn't matter a hill of beans what the fans say, it's what his coach says and wants..So, maybe the "fault" is joint blame btween Nash and AV..I don't know...

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:38 pm EST

Hospo: I think that he is not able to play a good game away from the puck and get to that 35-40 level. When he was getting those big goal numbers he was not engaged defensively hardly at all...and he was not as useful across the board, and probably caused some of the losses his team took due to that. Its nice to get 40 goals, but when the other teams get 70 while your out there it kind of goes against you. Now he gets less but so do the other teams. There are guys like that, just can't do both....I know the bigger goal total version is fun, but if he put that effort in to score would it hurt the team more than help it?

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:32 pm EST

WILD - i'm between you and TDCHI on NASH..Ruight now, he's a nice little player in a big man's body capable of scoring 15-20 goals years while giving total effort...An slightly better Jasper Fast if you will..Good player to have...But you can't forget that he used to be a 40 goal scorer and question why he can't approach that any more and be mad about it..The speed isn't gone he still has the reach and moves..I don't get the failure..

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:23 pm EST

Yeah, I don't give Nash a pass, but I think I realize he is no longer a 30 goal guy, he is more like a 20 goal guy who brings a solid game all over the ice. Not worth the contract he has anymore, but not a bad player. I annoy going to keep comparing him to the player he was years ago. Could he break out as the season moves along and end up with 30 goals...sure, but that would be a bonus. He is a solid all around player so if he doesn't play up to that than I will call him out for it, so far he has played well all around. Hasn't gotten the points for his efforts, but he is playing well....for what he is now.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:18 pm EST

Td I think it unfair to say fans give Nash a pass. It is just the apathy of knowing what we are fated to with him. It gets old to complain just like the Fire Sather rants or the team will never win under Jimmy Goddamn Dolan rants.

NYStranger


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:54 am EST

Cracknell: Not a guy I would expect to be in the lineup every night once Fast is healthy, and I still hope that a trade will be made for a 4th line guy who is a little better....or signed if there is a vet still out there willing to take that on. Anyway, even though he isn't ideal, he does bring something not around a lot min this roster...he had 6 hits last night...6....not hit stats are not the greatest, but when you see numbers like that usually it means your played the body well. On another note of the same type, Kreider has 12 hits in 4 games this year, not bad, that would be 100 more than he had last season if he keeps it up and would have been good for 5th among forwards in the entire NHL last season. Lets hope he has decided to bring that type of game, thats hone he is most effective, using his size all the time and then taking off with his speed. Makes it hard when a guy as fast and skilled as Kreider also plays a hard physical game. Most teams don't have anyone who can defend a person of Kreiders size AND also defend his speed and skill.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:26 am EST

.....and losing Stepan has NOTHING to do with the start!!

kitchen1


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:25 am EST

td: Don't give me crap that in the 3rd period the Rangers mad the goalie look good. Sorry...they had good chances in the 3rd. I will admit they played terrible in the 1st and 2nd when it comes to offense, defense was good but not offensively...other than the PP that moved the puck really well and had good looks. 5on5 they have issues....and its not like they don't say that. Anyway, in the 3rd period they had control, they had pressure and they had good chances and got many good shots on those good chances. This tired crap about making a goalie look good is just that...tired, Hutton had a good game, he had a very good 3rd period. This "ECHL" goalie has barely played there, he has 107 NHL games, is 47 wins and 32 losses and 14 OT and SO losses, with a 2.49 GAA and a .941 save% with 8 shutouts. Lets not pretend that this guy has no ability...he has decent numbers in the NHL. He had a really good period, thats what the Rangers made him do, but he did have a really good 3rd period. Why is it that on this wall no one seems to be able to take things in parts? They had a two part type of game, they were not pressing enough and not good offensively early (save the PP and a couple spurts) and in the 3rd they played a very strong game, and pressed very well, and if they had played the entire game like that I imagine they would have won....thats the thing they need to overcome, getting that play for full games...they do that they will be fine, probably easily make the post season and win a round or two. Trouble is, thats not some easy thing to do, if it was they would be doing it already.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:24 am EST

Here I am..........STFU

kitchen1


Wed Oct 11 2017 11:23 am EST

VIC - As far as your condemnation of the WINGs..it's as fair as any criticism of the centers right now..here's the funny thing....The #1 Center is playing the game like a sniping wing!!..Definitely not a puck distributor or a two-way center...but he sure can shoot and play the PP...

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:54 am EST

TDCHI - Watch that again...far worse than anything that Kampfer and Holden did was the two moronic, lazy ass ranger forwards that ran into each other and DECIDED not to try and comeback and help on the play...And I think one was wearing an A (NASH?)...Getting beat physically is one thing..not trying and quitting on the play is much worse..

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 10:49 am EST

TDCHI - Quite the roll there!!! You guys are so damn negative...where's that guy with the pom poms to tell you to STFU??...You know it's bad when WALLSTER's are arguing that they they think they know the better reason why the team sucks.... from the incompetent GM to post shelf life coach down to the "whistle to whistle" wacadaisacal weenie crew and the gang that couldn't shoot straight and the boring mundane Fossil line (4th line).. Did they do anything in pre-season camp other than the PP???

Hospo


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:43 am EST

Ranger47 - I think that's a good analogy and reading of the Rangers' mindset with CHYTIL. Still, I would have given him more of a look than he got. I mean, you can't really judge anything from the first game of the season at home at MSG. If there's one game this season where I'll give the entire team a pass, that's it. Just too much emotion and raw energy. And his second game, he only got 5 minutes. I could be mistaken, but I don't think he skated at all on the PP, which is where a kid like that would shine. Rangers should have put him in a position to succeed. Instead, they put him in a spot to fall flat on his face...and he did.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:38 am EST

Not even 12 hours after I mention KAMPFER'S uncanny ability to go from NHLer to ECHLer, we get this glorious moment:https://twitter.com/adamzherman/status/917896903987212288

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:32 am EST

Don't know what will happen with Chytil but I think what we saw when the season started was a promising young race car driver being dropped into the Daytona 500. (Even he would admit) that the play was too fast for him as a rookie. I think Ranger management wants to see if he is able to "come up to speed" with the smaller rink, speed, etc, in the AHL before giving him a second shot at the NHL - which is where they would prefer to have him play instead of the Czech Republic. I just hope they do what's best for him as well as the team....

Ranger47


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:16 am EST

So while I'm picking out culprits...I see Rick NASH really knows how to dial it up in a contract year. This guy is getting $7.8 million. Just repeat that over in your head a few times. It is beyond me why this clown wasn't traded years ago...and please...don't anyone give me this business about intangibles...or that he's really playing well, but can't seem to find the net...man...Ranger fans basically ran STEPAN out of town and had a victory parade the day he left...and yet ZERO criticism of Nash and what little he brings to the table. Unreal.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:08 am EST

And like I keep saying: This team defies logic in so many ways. There are some really poor decisions being made by both the coaches and GM.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 9:03 am EST

RF4L - Don't give me that crap. The kid got 12 F'ING minutes in the NHL. Over two games. He would be a fine NHLer if his coaches had the faith to play him. There are at least a dozen Rangers that have played worse than that kid so far this year.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:58 am EST

Stepunmytoe - AV's leash is short. That's exactly why RUFF is on the bench. That said, when the ax drops...and if this continues for another month, it WILL drop...Ruff is going to step behind the bench...and that could very well be a cutting-off-the-nose-despite-the-face...I thought Ruff would be a nice addition to balance some of AV's inadequacies...but so far, it seems like we're getting the worst of both worlds...

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:50 am EST

I apologize in advance if the forthcoming rant rubs anyone the wrong way...but don't anyone here give me this bullshit that the Rangers "played well" last night. Just save your goddamn breath. They didn't. They played like DOG SHIT. They made a goddamn ECHL goalie...a 31-year-old ECHL goalie...look like goddamn Domink HASEK. They f'ing SUCKED last night. Also save me this nonsense that CRACKNELL and KAMPFER 'played well' or 'did what they were supposed to do' or any thing of the sort. SPARE ME, PLEASE. OK, they weren't a liability. And they didn't do squat. They played like what they are: Waiver wire fodder that doesn't belong on any cup-contending roster. They took up two spots that could have gone to a guy who would have scored the goddamn GWG. Cracknell is Tanner GLASS light. And Kampfer is...well...Kampfer light. Having those guys and CAREY in the lineup is like pulling a couple spark plugs out of a Ferrari. Car might look nice, but it's still going to run like SHIT!...Ridiculous that with what we have in Hartford and what has been on the waiver wire that we can't dress four balanced lines and three balanced D pairs. Absolute bullshit. And if that's the case...if what we have in Hartford is inadequate and all those guys on the waiver wire are not nearly as good as Cracknell, then goddamn Gorton needs to get on the phone and make a trade. This is absolutely ridiculous. I mean, the first goal in that game was just a perfect example of the cluster F@CK this team is right now. Defensive zone turnover...Rick Nash and I think it was MILLER were dildo'ing around by the half boards and literally watched that goal go in...like in disbelief that if not giving a rat's ass for the first 10 minutes of the game would result in a quick goal...and again, this team shows how poor it's transition game is...just totally incapable of having the high-octane offense these players are suited for playing and play defense at the same time...Totally ridiculous...the only two GOOD things that happened in the game is that HANK looked sharp after they went down 2-1...and ZIBANEJAD has finally learned out to play on the powerplay. That's it though. The rest? What a waste.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:48 am EST

Rhet: What was the point in the Desjardins PTO anyways?

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:47 am EST

By stressing the "turn the other cheek" mantra for five years, AV has sucked every bit of spontaneous passion and energy out of his players. The speed game is great if you can finish. Yup, speed never slumps, blah blah blah. But that only works when someone can actually put the biscuit in the basket, No passion + no finishers = no playoffs, let alone a cup. I suppose the difference between uninspired losing and passionate losing is academic, but at these prices, I'd like someone behind the bench with an actual pulse. I know he's breathing, I can see the gum move. But that's the only proof I have.

punchrolfe


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:46 am EST

TD:Re Chytil will be a top line AHL player: You were equally adamant like 10 short days ago he'd be just fine as an NHLer and that certainly didn't work out so well did it. And let's agree to disagree on the notion that sending him to the OHL means he'll come back next fall with a bunch of bad habits. Talk about painting a slew of talented teenagers with the same broad brush - that's almost as bad as saying that having a European/Russian kid billet with a family of his national background means he'll come to camp overweight due to being overfed. Geeesh.....

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:29 am EST

RF4L - Sorry, but I just don't see how playing on a team that's going to get beaten like a red-headed step child is going to help a kid's development. And I agree with Wild: You put the kid in a league that doesn't challenge him, and there's a good chance he learns bad habbits. CHYTIL belongs either in the NHL or back in the Czech league. And from what I've seen, Chytil will have zero problems being a top-line player in the A.

tdchi


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:23 am EST

Not sure if it mentioned yesterday, but the NYR released Andrew Desjardins from his PTO yesterday. So long Andy, don't let the door hit you in the @ss on your way out.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 11 2017 8:15 am EST

Vic: Your make a good point but I also believe part of the issue is a lack of intensity on the part of the Rangers. For me, there's not enough pressure in the offensive zone. It comes and goes (more the latter) and therefore, isn't sustained. Or maybe it's not the coach; maybe it's the make-up of the roster. Maybe, as you cite, overall it's not talented enough. For sure, a lack of a true game-breaker hurts. This, as we now, has been an issue under the Sather regime from the outset, save perhaps for the year after the lock-out when JJ was so fabulous.

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 7:11 am EST

So the Ranger players lamenting their habit of slow starts. Hey, at least they recognize it's an issue. The problem is, as we've been saying for quite some time, this has been happening for over 2 years now. Not every game of course, but far too many to believe it's a temporary glitch in the course of a long season - this is part of this team's mental makeup. Also, as we've been saying (well some of us anyways), this issue starts with the coach and after this long I see zero reason to envision it being removed from their mental makeup until the coach is removed from his place behind the bench.

rf4l


Wed Oct 11 2017 6:56 am EST

And remember, that 53 shot total doesn't count the shots that they just completely missed the net on.....and they do that a lot too.

Vic


Wed Oct 11 2017 6:53 am EST

INABILITY TO FINISH. I'm going to keep pointing it out until folks start to realize that the wings on this team, that everyone seems to think are so great, really aren't. They once again had so many chances to score but found a way not to. GRABNER, NASH, VESEY, BUCH, KREIDER and MZA all had high quality chances, as they have in every game so far. And once again NONE of them scored. That group is the Rangers wingers for the top 3 lines. Together they have 53 shots on goal so far this season and a ton of them have been on breakaways, odd man rushes and point blank high quality scoring chances. And they collectively have 1 goal to show for it. That is your problem right there folks. It has been a problem with this team since it was constructed and it remains a problem. Yes, there are other issues as well. However, if this team can't bury the puck on a reasonable percentage of the high quality chances that they get they are going nowhere.

Vic


Wed Oct 11 2017 4:52 am EST

Ola the “ Ottawa syndrome “. I’m sure coaches have looked at those games to figure out how to stop the nyr. And assvipe still doesn’t recognize that they need to play “ The Montreal syndrome “.

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 11 2017 1:36 am EST

If you ever want a good example of the phrase “it’s easy to lose a hockey game but very hard to win one”, look no further than this game. Crappy positioning makes us give up a goal after 15 sec or whatever. After that STL knows that they have a very good shot at walking away with 2 pts it they keep things thight and manage to pot in one more during the coming 59:45. On a night like this, it took 15 sec to lose the game.

Ola


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:50 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/islanders-committed-to-building-arena-at-belmont-park/c-291794780

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:49 am EST

ha ha ha ha ha: Shattenkirk & McDonaugh credited for a toal of ZERO Hits..... Desharnais, goose-eggs across the board.... twinkle toes Kreider must be reading The Wall, 5 hits....https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/stl-vs-nyr/2017/10/10/2017020039#game=2017020039,game_state=final,game_tab=stats

mf


Wed Oct 11 2017 12:38 am EST

Asked on Tuesday how he felt about where he stood with Tavares’ camp, Snow said: “Excellent.”

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:30 pm EST

rngrsans: As Billy Joel said at the concert for NY after 911, "we aint going anywhere," and that includes you, however; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKcHMJlE7OM

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:09 pm EST

You know that's the answer to Life, the Universe and everything! Maybe we're winning the cup this year :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:08 pm EST

42?

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:07 pm EST

Raanta - 5 shots, 3 goals and pulled early in the first. Now 4 zip LV over Arizona.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:54 pm EST

rngrns: In here we all have 2 things in common I think: 1) We're all Ranger fans. 2) We're all frustrated more often than not because of it. Where we differ is how that frustration manifests itself in here.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:39 pm EST

Fellow wallsters: for the record; I would love nothing else but to be wrong about Friday night! I am a Ranger fan through and through... for 42 years ... I want to see another cup... thanks for making me laugh

rngrsans


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:20 pm EST

On way home from the game.... Was a real "sleeper". Crowd got into it with 9 minutes to go in the 3rd. Some positives; LUNDQVIST played great. Like his old self. I really like CAREY. He can make some strong plays , again all you want from 4th line. Where did he come from? CRACKNELL, ok... Not bad. Would rather see CHYTIL. Read the article that he is a cocky SOB and they will try him in AHL. I love watching SHATTENKIRK play. He is so smooth. #22 with ZUCC and MIKA will be a force this season. I hope #61 and #89 join in on the fun. Put this game behind us and lets bury the boogie killer torts on Friday.

Richter35


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:19 pm EST

Anyone know what Dave Tippet is doing ? AV has run his course. He coaches desperately with no consistency. Ruff ain't the answer either. Fire AV !!!

Stepunmytoe


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:16 pm EST

Nothing quite like a contrarian

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:10 pm EST

Rick Mash. Top forward on the team. Counted on to score big goals. Has not happened much.

Bob


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:08 pm EST

Poor coaching..Poor effort/intensity..lines suck outside the PP..Meh defense...Nobody really rising above at ES..deserve to be 1-3..and BORING!

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:06 pm EST

I think you're hilarious;wildcard! Anyone can post and vent... thought that was what site was for. My bad.... you keep giving your opinion and I'll just listen, how's that? Sheesh!!

rngrsans


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:59 pm EST

Rf just curious, you want first round picks then claim they are too young to be in the nhl? Seems to be some of them at 19 starring in the nhl in the last few years

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:57 pm EST

rf4l: what pointing out that someone posted something that is factually incorrect is what...something that shouldn't be done? Saying there is no offense past the first line is like saying they didn't score any goals tonight...and lost every game...its easily checked to be proven wrong...100% wrong...the fact that that have 5 forwards on pace to beat out the top scorer last season flies in the face of saying there is no offense past the top line, wen there are nearly two full lines with .75 points per game or more.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:55 pm EST

Oh, Wild wearing his wall police hat again...

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:53 pm EST

By the way. 5 forwards have .75 points per game or more through 4 games. Nearly two full lines of forwards have multiple points early on...and are on pace for 62 or so points, that would be 5 forwards that would have more points than the highest last season....the is offense past the first line....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:51 pm EST

Hmmm, They lost. I fault them. They are not playing well. Actually, my fear is theyre playing to their potential. Now THAT is a real nightmare. The loss is on them. As were they other two. The win was on them too. Not good enough.

wiosa


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:43 pm EST

rngrsans If the Rangers beat CBUS don't post again the entire year....how about that. Its not like they played poorly tonight the entire game...the 2nd was poor offensively...but its hard to fault them in the 3rd.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:42 pm EST

Rdw he thought they were down by 2 ... he was eventually right

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:40 pm EST

About to be 1-4 with BJs next. How many games does AV get? His deployment of D men is terrible.... AND What's up with our offense outside of the 1st line

rngrsans


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:38 pm EST

1-3 ...2 out 8 points ... check

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:37 pm EST

Nyr streak stoppers turns into streak marks ... shit the bed

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:36 pm EST

Oh oh....1 and 3 to start the season with the BJs up next.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:36 pm EST

So...you're dominating the other team. Keeping them pinned in the zone and forcing consecutive icings. Why pull the goalie with 2 fucking minutes left?

RDW


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:36 pm EST

That sucks

rngrsans


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:35 pm EST

Good job nyr empty net the wrong way

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:34 pm EST

Wow a timeout

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:34 pm EST

Stevie....lol....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:30 pm EST

Odds are assvipe never calls a timeout tonight

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:26 pm EST

Stevie: For sure this guy is hot, but not enough traffic at times, not enough shots going towards him. They are looking for the perfect play, they have had a few quite perfect passing plays, but he has stepped up big time, they just need to simplify a little I think

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:25 pm EST

OK...Hutton hasn't had to be great a lot in this game since the Rangers are not generating a ton of chances, but some of his saves have been really great....But they need to just get more shots on him, play the percentages, eventually one will go in....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:25 pm EST

Hot goalie night again...

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:11 pm EST

Its very odd watching Tage Thompson play in the NHL....I mean, I met the kid when he was like 2 years old...dosnt seem like it was that long ago....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:10 pm EST

Nash looks like he is a bit angry about something....I like that...

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:03 pm EST

Stevielegs: Your going to tell me that you think that was a hold? a HOLD...

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:03 pm EST

How was that holding? Since when is putting your hand on a guys chest a "hold"

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:02 pm EST

Captain parmenter Great penalty... lead by example

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:02 pm EST

That's a weak call on McD

RDW


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:48 pm EST

Stahlberg "quadzilla" could have done that

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:45 pm EST

So this Cracknell or however you spell his name, is toking a bit better than I expected. I don't remember him at all from opposing teams. But he is making simple plays, and being effective on the ice on the 4th line. 2 or 3 times in that 2nd period he just did a simple chip and chase and created a turn over down low in the Blues zone. Thats all you can ask for your 4th line, keep the puck 200 feet from your own net and have the chance to have something go your way....getting the puck deep and getting turnovers is just that. Never know what might happen, and it gives the top lines a little break without things going badly. Isn't shy about playing the body either, not monster big hits, but he plays the body every chance he gets, and doesn't end up out of position. And for all the talk about being slow, he isn't being hampered by it as of yet...he is not fast by any means, but he is fast enough to be in the play. If he plays like this every time he is in the lineup I can't say I would be upset.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:40 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay Zzzzz. End of 40. 2-1 Blues. Rangers sleepwalking

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:39 pm EST

Nyr need Red Bull enemas between 2&3 rd period.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:35 pm EST

Love how Zucc plays, intensity wise...but I want to slap the guy when he passes the puck while standing in the slot....shoot the damn puck....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:29 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/colorado-avalanche-matt-duchene-shrugs-off-peter-forsbergs-comments/c-291761030?tid=277548856

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:19 pm EST

Being out coached Good 3rd pair

rngrsans


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:49 pm EST

Yeah, AV. Keep 'playing your game'....and lose 6-3 every game. They look like they are playing scrimmage intensity for 90% of these games so far. Worst part of AV's system is it is effin boring!

NYStranger


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:41 pm EST

mf: Dunno but now is not the time to try to convert him IMO. It's way too early for that.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:36 pm EST

RF: can he play "center?"

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:25 pm EST

Love the hot PP - hopefully, FINALLY this HUGE gap for like 1001 years has been addressed.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:24 pm EST

Wild: If you read the scouting reports on Buch and hear his self-assessment, it's more set-up related vs being a goal scorer so what we're seeing isn't surprising at all IMO. That said, he's also got a very good shot and what I think we saw more of last year so perhaps that's led us to believe he's a sniper vs a set-up man.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:20 pm EST

Figures assvipe and dickaletti were d partners... 2 of a kind some pair

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:20 pm EST

Wild: Agreed that can happen but generally there's character issues already there and/or it happens after extended dominance (like 2 or 3 years). It's crazy to not send a kid back who's never dominated previously and who's not ready for primetime because he might get a swelled head and bad habits from dominating. Finally, none of this is an exact science - it's all about making judgement calls based on a bunch of factors, including knowing your asset. Knowing your asset is a key to developing him (or her depending on the sport). That's why those combine interviews prior to amateur drafts are such a big deal now - organizations have recognized the importance of trying to understand a kid's personality and mental make-up before drafting him.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:16 pm EST

They talked bout Buch being a guy who would snipe goals, and shot the puck really well...I don't remember ever hearing about his passing and puck control....the kid makes difficult passes look easy and sees the ice so well...that backhand pass to Zbad...my goodness, it was perfect and he never turned his head....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:14 pm EST

And beukabitch

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:14 pm EST

ZBAD pp goal shatty good job

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:10 pm EST

15 seconds down 1-0 way to come out hard

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:08 pm EST

rf4l: I have heard plenty from sports people that dominating can create a monster. When you dominate you build bad habits because you can get away with them. Its why in the NHL there are those pushing for a way to have younger guys in the AHL...even if its a capped number per team, they know that there are kids that will not learn by dominating...lots of players come into the NHL and fail because they haven't had to work very hard to accomplish anything in junior, then comes the pro level and they don't know how to do it....I am more afraid of that than his confidence being hurt...again, I think thats all smoke and mirrors and excuses now a-days....Its what fans do to blame the coaches and GMs and the like. If a kid is put into a higher league and doesn't make it they "ruined" him, if they let him sit in the lower league and he doesn't develop, its because they don't know how to draft....or they left him in the minors too long or something. When a kid makes it, its in spite of the coaches...its that way every time....kind of funny when you really look at it.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:57 pm EST

ooops...keep up, not keep him.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:56 pm EST

Wild: I know nothing about that men's league but suspect it's got very little physicality. The way he carried the puck in the pre-season with his head down is to be a clear signal of that. And I don't know for sure - just speculating. What cannot be argued IMO is he was clearly over-matched in the 2 games he did play with the Rangers. I totally understand why AV benched him. I will admit that I actually expected him to fare a little better based on his showing in pre-season; I was more concerned he'd get concussed into oblivion vs being totally overwhelmed (to the point where he clearly admitted he was surprised and not ready for the speed and intensity). Look, I"m not professing to be an expert here and hopefully, the Rangers, who are closer to the situation and paid to understand these things, are doing the right thing. I just think, as I've posted on here numerous times when it comes to teenagers, erring on the side of caution is never the wrong thing. He can learn the smaller ice, learn the language and learn the culture in the OHL just as effectively as the AHL but instead of struggling to keep him, he can domminate (in theory). At least, the Rangers have done the right thing and farmed him out to a lower tier of competition.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:46 pm EST

Oh joy blues 3-0 ... nyr streak stoppers...

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:44 pm EST

RF4L: He was playing in a mens league last season....not sure what the issue would be or why you would want him to take a step back....

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:38 pm EST

TD: The difference would be dominating vs struggling to make a difference in the even the top 6 in Hartford. Obviously, the competition cannot match the NHL but it's still men vs boys and the intensity can be just as high. We'll see how he fares this weekend. Hopefully, he does better than his NHL stint!

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:22 pm EST

RF4L - I just don't see any advantage to CHYTIL playing in North Bay, save for the fact you'll get a chance to see his games! That team is pretty bad. And while he'd get great ice time...man...he'd be with the dregs. If he's gonna be with dregs, might as well be AHL dregs.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 5:11 pm EST

stevielegs - Hell yeah! Man, I've been on the JAGR-as-Ranger bus since he came back from the KHL. Woulda been a smart move. Simply put, there's no way you can go wrong adding a guy like Jagr. Zero. That's why when journalists were penning all these 'the NHL has foresaken Jagr' pieces, I was laughing my ass off. Yeah, Jagr will have a place in the NHL until he decides he doesn't want it. Strange to think I reviled that guy when he was with the Pens.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 4:01 pm EST

Greg Markiewicz Greg Markiewicz @GMTech924 · 1h To make room for Filip Chytil, Malte Stromwall has been assigned to Greenville #HWP

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:57 pm EST

stevie: LOL...yeah, seen him on video. I actually don't mind him - far better than Nob for Life with his pompous attitude. I do see the nervous ticks, tho. LOL. Funny.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:50 pm EST

Rf have you seen fishboy talk on tv or video. He’s almost impossible to watch . He has more ticks than most people , making he look and sound not very smart.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:45 pm EST

All that said, what I don;t like about what Gorton said was his avoidance of the world juniors. Just acknowledge it, you jerk. What's wrong with saying 'if Filip is not playing regularly with the Rangers when it comes time to start forming the WJC teams we will most certainly encourage his participation; we recognize fully the value of the WJC as a valuable learning and growing opportunity for talented teenagers'. Instead, he pretends it hasn't crossed their minds - what a nob. Of course it has. Or if it hasn't, he and his entire management team should be fired on the spot for their ridiculous near-sightedness.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:36 pm EST

Good article by LB and I am encouraged by Gorton's words. I still think it's possible, if he struggles in Hartford, Chytil goes to North Bay. Gorton's thoughts on controlling line combos and PP time, etc were telling. Yes, the Rangers would have the most control if/when he's in Hartford, but guaranteed Stan Butler would agree to certain stipulations if the Rangers farmed the kid out to the Battalion. Not that they'd have to - Chytil would get first line minutes there plus PP time and perhaps even PK time. The only negative and this is a very small negative, is once he's sent there he's not coming back until next fall. IMO that's probably a good thing - yo-yo'ing the kid between leagues is almost as bad as having him sitting in the Ranger pressbox. He needs to play 20+ minutes a night in a stable environment as soon as possible. As I posted earlier I'm now thinking having him go back home is the last thing the Rangers want because once there, they'll have zero control over icetime, opportunities, etc. I suspect it's bugging management that they are so detached when it comes to their prized Russian goalie prospect; they don't want to duplicate that with this kid. Therefore, don't be surprised if Chytil ends up with North Bay if he struggles in the AHL. And if that's the case, contrary to what some were saying last month when Chytil was faring well against pre-season competition, there's plenty he can learn and accomplish spending 1 year in the OHL. Not to mention, the wonders it'll do for his confidence if/when he starts to dominant there (which I believe, with time, he will).

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:35 pm EST

Remember hurtle was hurt before traverse... fishboy is praying the kid can light it up in Hartford... cya all the way...

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:35 pm EST

As I said, assine..and Gorton is an asshole...a few good games in Hartford will show nothing...Now, you want to give him 30-40, that's another story...Can we bring back Sather?

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:20 pm EST

EL-Bee ... http://nypost.com/2017/10/10/how-treasured-rookie-talked-rangers-into-giving-him-a-chance/

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:04 pm EST

STEVIE - It would be assinine to think CHYTL will show he belongs back in the NHL even if he plays well for a few games...It will just be more of the same...The Rangers need to come up with a long range plan for this kid

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:02 pm EST

RF4L - I agree that CAREY had a good camp, trys his ass off (they all do) and hasn't been bad at all but, still, there's a reason he was where he was before this season

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 2:00 pm EST

Chapter 1 - the dismissal of Cheetos.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:59 pm EST

@stevezipay · To clarify, no guarantee a decision made next week, AV said situation fluid, day-by-day Steve Zipay @stevezipay AV wants coaches to evaluate Chytil with Pack this weekend, make another decision on him next week

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:56 pm EST

Ranger Rejects, featuring the Tepid Trio.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:56 pm EST

Hospo: LOLOLOL. So that means JT is 3rd line center I assume. Sad thing there is Carey might be the most effective of that Tepid Trio.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:48 pm EST

So, our 4th line is Carey (29)-Desharnais(32)-Cracknell(32)..You guys know i don't mind vets but, great organization Rangers!...Love just picking up players that other teams don't want..Sounds like a Rob Zombie movie..The Ranger's Rejects...

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:36 pm EST

here comes the cup....... Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 55m55 minutes ago Cracknell will debut on Rangers’ fourth line vs. Blues https://nwsdy.li/2yVY2GZ via @newsday @stevezipay

stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:29 pm EST

hurtle needs to be in n America to learn English and how to play on the smaller surface. he can probably handle Hartford and try to prove he should be recalled to the nhl , hopefully soon. otherwise next year or whenever is good too. in the meantime fishboy gets to grasp at straws with the advice of the brain rust....until he gets lucky or desperate....which he should be already.....as his coach head said and maybe believes, these points count as much as any others to get a check-mark.....tdchi you forgot ufa Jagr , one of the best players ever in the nhl ...sather screwed that pooch....

stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:28 pm EST

COMark: It literally JUST came across Twitter, its not even on the Eagles webpage yet, only the announcement of a presser for a big announcement. The AHL only confirmed it like 10 minutes ago.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:16 pm EST

Wild- that's cool, hadn't heard that. I think Drayson and Colin Bowman are playing there now. I'd love to go see the Pack play here!

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:14 pm EST

The bears were obviously not from New York, since the quality of pizza is underwhelming here in Colorado.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:11 pm EST

Hoping Chytil lights it up in Hartford a la Buchnevich last year. I'd much rather him in the Czech league than Hartford.OHL is probably a smart option, but doesn't sound like it's even in the cards.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:10 pm EST

Wild/Cmark: Unbearable!? http://nypost.com/video/bears-break-into-pizza-parlor-to-steal-salami/

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:08 pm EST

This is a non rangers post, and something for nest year, however, for us that live in Colorado...not sure how many are out here on the wall now, the AHL is expanding, the Colorado Eagles will become the AVS farm team. Will be very cool to be able to go and watch the Rangers prospects in a live game if and when they come out here.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:07 pm EST

GIRARDI- As much as we love to malign AV for his whistle to whistle policy, I don't think we can blame him entirely for GIRARDI's pacifist leanings that seemingly disappeared in TB. Who was at the helm when Carcillo decided to use Gaborik as a punching bag while GIRARDI watched? Our favorite Anti-AV TORTS! GIRARDI got torched, drawn and quartered by most wallsters. I'd chalk up Girardi's actions to wanting to prove himself to his new teammates and coaches and the fact that he never lived down his non-response as a Ranger.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:07 pm EST

TDCHI - Though we disagree on KAMPFER (no big deal), and I like to yank your chain.....but... I am kinda with you on that CRACKNELL post and the refusal of the Rangers to take a chance on a young banging winger (I may not have agreed on MATTEAU becasue of what I had seen of him, but agree with the need of such a player)...And furthermore, why don't the Rangers have in their system, a young banging forward that can come up and play on the 4th line (or higher)..It's ridiculous that there is NOBODY even close to that...choirboys and fidgets

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:40 pm EST

I guess I can live with Chytil having 2 games with the Pack but man oh man, the team needs to be careful with him. So far, his handling has been poor - 7 minutes, 5 minutes and then the pressbox. Just fabulous for his confidence. At least he didn't get killed - guess that's basically impossible when you don't touch the puck. Somehow I get the impression Chytil is against the OHL and the Rangers are not thrilled with the idea of him playing in the Czech league and that's playing into their decisions here.

rf4L


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:33 pm EST

All this being said, I think the Ranger D, with help from the forwards that hasn't been there, will straighten out behind a six of MCD, Shatt, Skjei, SMith, Staal and Holden....THe kids, by mid season or earlier, to provide the injury and depth...But..KAMPFR will stick around as the Black Ace...JMWO..

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:26 pm EST

And PIONK sucked defensively also...and was/is no answer..If Kampfer's playing, the fault lies with GORDON..The one guy that showed the two way game was GRAVES..

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:24 pm EST

VIC - KAMPFER EASILY earned a spot on the team out of Camp...but he should only be insurance/emergency..the probem is DeANGELO SUCKS eggs defensively and is as physically weak as they come.....Theres' that and then there's SMITH..Yes, we agree that he's been horrible early on....BUT unless he's hurt, this is a guy that should be playing and working through his issues after all the money and years the Rangers threw at him..Gotta be hurt, right? Oh yeah, Holden is Holden..a capable 6ht D-man when used that way

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:24 pm EST

Vic - I've watched KAMPFER since he was with the P-bruins and the guy's MO is pretty clear: He'll have a game or two that he plays well enough to suggest he's NHL-caliber...maybe a sixth or seventh defender. But then he'll have four or five others where he looks like he couldn't hack it in the ECHL. This is nothing new for him. If DeANGELO isn't the answer on the right, then promote PIONK...Kampfer belongs on the waiver wire and/or back in Hartford. There shouldn't be any future for him in NY and if there is, then...well...there's always the Brady TKACHUK sweepstakes.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:20 pm EST

Not to beat this stupid CRACKNELL claim to death, but just looking at all the players who have been on waivers this past couple week...it's just mind-blowing...Eric TANGRADI would have been a simple one that would have given the Rangers size, snarl and a little bit of offense...Joe COLBURNE is another...easy guy who could have slotted in at fourth line center...Dave BOOTH...another guy who could have slotted in on the wing to give the Rangers some skill there and allow MILLER to move to the middle...Tomas JURCO and Kerby RYCHEL...two easy claims...But Matt READ too...the guy is a couple seasons removed from 20 goal in the NHL...Phillip DiGUESSEPE...JC LIPON...Colin GREENING...a big banging winger...I mean, I seriously don't know WTF happened to Gorton to think Cracknell was a good add...There is literally no way the claim makes any sense. And now we have him in the lineup along with the ridiculous retread Kampfer and...let's not forget about CAREY too...Man, this makes zero sense, unless they've decided to go for the Brady TKACHUK sweepstakes. I can support that I suppose...

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:18 pm EST

TD: I know you dislike KAMPFER, however, you have to admit that he played well in the preseason and in the last game. Players change. Some bloom or get it later then others. While the guy is never going to be the next coming of LEETCH if he can play a steady and production game what is wrong with that? I don't care about pedigree. I don't care where you were drafted or what you did in Juniors or elsewhere in your career. The only thing that matters is what you can do today.....right now.....to help this team. If he can help then I'm all for him being in the lineup. If he plays a few games and then starts to suck so be it. But right now he has been better then SMITH, HOLDEN and DeANGELO in his own end. That counts for something to me.

Vic


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:10 pm EST

stevielegs - I guess what bugs me the most about LB is that he literally pulls stuff of places like the wall and then states them as fact. And a couple of times he's done it, only to be proven wrong. Shows sort of a dearth of journalistic integrity, if you ask me...but then again, how does that proverb go? Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...and if that holds true, then we should all be flattered!

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:08 pm EST

CHYTIL is eligible for the AHL. He was 18 by Sept. 15. He's good to play. Whether that's where they want him at this stage is the real question. I actually think Hartford is a good landing spot for him...But I also actually think the goddamn coach should have given him a shot. Clearly, the kid ain't going to be a guy you want to start in the defensive end. What he needed was to slot in on the PP and then skate every other shift at even strength. Would have given him a good 10 minutes per game, which is fine for a kid like him, even though I'd rather him playing big minutes.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:07 pm EST

Brett Cyalis: http://nypost.com/2017/10/10/rangers-demote-prized-rookie-to-a-surprising-place/

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:03 pm EST

The only thing KAMPFER earned was a spot on the waiver wire. He's a perfect 8th defenseman...a guy to use for practice and to keep a seat warm in the stands. The fact he has drawn in for two games shows an embarrassing amount of mismanagement...mismanagement that is only trumped by putting CRACKNELL into the lineup. Seriously, is this something that happens to Ranger coaches the longer they stay with the team? Just utterly ridiculous. And HOLDEN-KAMPFER? Holy fucking shit. Seriously, AV has fallen of the retard tree and hit every goddamn branch and twig on the way down. The saddest part about all of this is the clown who brought us the Cracknell claim is next in line. What a friggin' mess.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:57 am EST

So Girardi drops the gloves for the TBL but not for The NYR !?! It is said that there are no coincidences in life and accurate or not the first thing that came to mind was, well the Ranger head coach is Alain Vignault, driver of the Peugeot, vrmm vrmm...

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:46 am EST

Chytil: d/o/b 09/05/1999: well he's tall enough to get on the rides in Coney Island, and at 18, he should not need parental supervision to fly alone. http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/16579

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:40 am EST

Due to his age(without checking his birth certificate), they can't send Chytil down to the AHL. They can send him down on a conditioning assignment for up to 4 weeks, which is what I believe they are doing so they can 'evaluate' him. It's either this or he goes back to the Czech Republic and I guess the NYR just aren't ready to do that yet.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:36 am EST

We're running an early season special on "Tra-der-rators" step up all you k-mart shoppers....

mf


Tue Oct 10 2017 11:23 am EST

or a quasi showcase of HOLDEN? If so..lets hope he plays steady,

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:56 am EST

STEVIE - I hope this evaluation of CHYTL down in Hartford is all about where to send him--OHL or ExtraLiga in Czech--becasue how he plays in Hartford, or if he finds the offense magic like he did in the open ice pre-season, for 2-4 games means nothing about being NHL ready..Don't get fooled again..Do the Right thing with this kid..

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:43 am EST

Is SMITH hurt or is this in response to his poor play during the first few games? Rangers signed him to a pretty big contract

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:40 am EST

John Giannone ? @jaygeemsg NYR lineup tonight: Adam Cracknell at 4th Line RW; Holden-Kampfer 3d pair D; Vesey up to 2nd unit PP; ......Yes, I think Kampfer earned a spot as a 7th D-man during camp, but if he's a regular..Yikes...Glad AV dropped that 7-D crap....I know it's still early..but the Rangers should have figured some of these things and roster decision out in camp..Poor mangement and coaching early on in my book...

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:39 am EST

girlrardi sans assvipe ? ..... Dirk Shadd‏Verified account @DirkShadd 14h14 hours ago #TBLightning Dan Girardi drops the gloves and fights #Caps Brett Connolly after Connolly dropped @TBLightning Mikhail Sergachev in p2 #nhl

stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:37 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 15m15 minutes ago AV wants coaches to evaluate Chytil with Pack this weekend, make another decision on him next week Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 17m17 minutes ago Holden and Kampfer back in, per AV. Smith, DeAngelo out

stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 10:23 am EST

CHYTL finally off the roster like he should have been a week or two ago..Gorton and mangement got bamboozled by wortless offensive play during the pre-season PP and open ice...Kid needs so much leanring..He will be a stud..in time...But that's what happens when you don't address the Center position and are left with crap......Next step is to get DeAngleo the hell out of New York.......As far as 4th lines go, count me as unimpressed with what the Rangers are throwing out there......Center still a mess..but hope they give JT MILLER at least 5-10 games before yanking him....or make the damn trade they were supposed to

Hospo


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:46 am EST

Breaking news or bad .... Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 9m And Andrew Desjardins released from PTO, as projected in my story last night 3 1 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 11m Chytil assigned to Hartford 2 1 5 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 14m Brendan Smith, benched last game, skating with DeAngelo 4 4 19 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 15m Cracknell skating on line with Desharnais and Carey

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:44 am EST

Tdchi he says jumbo joe decided against coming here. If it were sather he be claiming I had him but he wanted too much money, like he had stamkos . At least lb isn’t a paid nyr talking points reporter. He’s a lurking wallster. He’s controversial on purpose to get people to read and react. .... he’s at the bus stop waiting for talkerella ....he’s entertaining.... here’s another one of his....http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/this-wasnt-supposed-to-be-rangers-shutdown-defensive-pair-in-2017/

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:09 am EST

That's the stupidest thing I've read from Brooks in a long-ass time. What an f'ing boob. Yeah dumbass...they're going to give up players to get a guy they could have signed three months ago...what a boob.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:05 am EST

The whole team has played poorly. Certainly, DESHARNAIS is no exception...but I can't say he's been any worse than anyone else. The problem is, the top defensive forward and favorite wall whipping boy was traded for a Swede who was supposed to be NHL-ready, but quickly demonstrated that he wasn't...I mean, is it a mystery that four of the Rangers' top six forwards are negative right now? Rangers' problems aren't on their bottom line...

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 9:05 am EST

stevie: LB floating the Jumbo Joe route this AM.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:54 am EST

BTW, Day-R-Nay so far, has clearly shown why Montreal discarded him and Edmonton didn't bother resigning him. Very ineffective.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 8:13 am EST

Rf if sakic is willing to eat salary, it might be worth it for us go for it now fans. He would hopefully fit in and doesn’t have a bad attitude. He should be the answer the the donut hole at center. Then maybe the nyr can beat Ottawa and the playpens in the playoffs.

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:44 am EST

TD: Duc comes with a $6,000,000 cap hit. Salary has to go the other way. WHo that would be I don't know. Sakic is holding fast for a first rounder which I strongly believe the Rangers cannot afford to give up.

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:44 am EST

As many know Freedom of speech is even difficult here on the wall , where for the most part people are expressing their opinions. Once in a while a few facts . ... bring back some flame wars....as YORK would say, go get your shine box....even some might misconstrue that.... I might not agree with you but I will defend your right to say it unless it’s over my line or head ...my off the wall comment is MAGA!

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:38 am EST

Wonder if it's time for the Rangers to see what the price on DUCHENE is now. I've been against them doing such a move for a number of reasons and I think I still am...but man...this team needs to do something...Watching that first period of the Habs game really got me concerned...still think what the Rangers need right now is a big, physical winger who can move...or that same player for the center...but the situation with Duchene is clearly coming to a head soon. Colorado has to move him...the longer the wait, the less they're going to get...they're probably hoping to hold on for the trade deadline, which is ludicrous...no idea what they'd have to move, but it'd probably start with VESEY.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:30 am EST

RF4L - Nah, not yet. He told Vegas he won't play in Chicago and essentially they're trying to figure out what to do. I think the general hope...or rather thought...is that they do a paper transaction and wait for an injury. Option two is trade him to a team that will play him. Then there's the nuclear option, which is SHIPACHYOV retiring from the NHL and rolling back to the K to play out his days. That would be a pretty phenomenal slap to Vegas though, who were billing him as one of their marquis players.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:24 am EST

non-hockey post: Curt Schilling is perhaps the biggest douche in professional sports and a hypocrite to boot. Spent a lot of time windbagging about being a conservative...bitching about big government...wearing his politics on his sleeve. Then he basically used his celebrity to bilk $75 million from the state of Rhode Island(something like $110 million if you count interest payments)...Said he was going to start this ambitious online role-playing game, bragged he was going to bring 450-plus jobs to the state...then essentially made all the money he borrowed vanish in a period of months. There were people he was relocating across the country...putting them in homes and promising six-figure jobs, only to shrug and say 'oh well...you got nothing...tough luck...' The guy is an ass clown. Don't...please don't...ever use him as an example of principled stand. He has no principles....As for the ESPN kerfuffle...Vic said it right. Our Constitutional protections simply mean you can't be thrown in a gulag for ranting about your politics or your beliefs. While certainly some companies have bi-laws that protect speech, generally all of them have an employee handbook that spells out exactly what you can and cannot say on social media. Usually it's something to the effect of 'nothing that will reflect poorly on the company.' My general smell test for social media remarks is if you could go into a crowded stadium and yell it without offending people, then you're good to post...and if it's about your job, your co-workers or anything thereof, just don't post it. Tell your friend over beers. Shout it at your dog. Don't post about work. Ever.

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:24 am EST

Didn't Ship return to the KHL already?

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:12 am EST

re: SHIPACHYOV - not the best or worst option...I don't think he really brings anything this team needs. But if the plan now is to return CHYTIL overseas or send him to the minors, then Shipachyov would be a suitable replacement...either at wing after moving MILLER to the middle or as a third-line center. He's certainly talented...but he's not a particularly physical player, nor could you call him a defensively-responsible center. Me thinks that's why Vegas has relegated him to the stands/AHL...and then there's that point: Vegas can't find a spot for him. And I don't know if you guys have taken a look at that craptacular lineup, but not making the team...well...that's sad for a guy initially billed as one of the team's most electric players...still, if we could land him for a late-round pick, I'd do it...I mean, with CRACKNELL in the lineup, the bar is pretty goddamn low on this team...

tdchi


Tue Oct 10 2017 7:07 am EST

NJ 2 and 0 with 10 goals scored. Must be early!

rf4l


Tue Oct 10 2017 6:19 am EST

Thoughts on the Russian Vadim Shipyachov (sp?) from Vegas? Was sent down to AHL and not happy about it. Vegas looking to deal him. Seems to be a skilled offensive Center...

PatrickDiv


Tue Oct 10 2017 1:03 am EST

I had to tweet @CapFriendly about Steven Fogarty playing for @WolfPackAHL yesterday. I couldn't take looking at it anymore :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:43 am EST

MF... In regard to baseball: my blood pressure was much better today :) Yes, that was some of the best Baseball I have seen in years (on Sunday).

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 10 2017 12:24 am EST

Non-Hockey Post.... MF.... True. Where I lose sympathy for her is that she lists her place of employment on her social media platforms, That makes her susceptible to repercussions from her place of employment with what she posts online. Being an on air personality, I don't think she ever gets away from that (wether she listed that she works for ESPN or not). If we only think it pertains to public personalities, we are truly kidding ourselves. Today, you generally can be fired for disparaging your company on Social Media, no matter what type of company you work for. That also means that in some sense, we never really go home from work. We always need to be on guard. The big question is: Do we give away some of our freedoms/rights for working at a particular job? Our parents/grandparents never faced such pressure or had to worry about such things. They could go to the local pub and bitch about their company/co-workers and not worry about repercussions. Not any more. You can consider social media to be the local pub's of today, but now you can be fired for saying the same sort of things.... What I don't think is fair is that most companies these days will do a Social Media search on a candidate before hiring them. Isn't that an invasion of our privacy? It's an inside look at who you are as a person and I'm not so sure I'm so comfortable with that. These days, Big Brother really is watching you. ...VIC... I really wasn't meaning to be so literal with what I had in mind. I get that the First Amendment guarantees you the right to freedom of speech, but not to freedom from consequences for what you say. Please see above for what was on my mind, so I don't repeat myself and sound like a babbling idiot :) ....FRED: Before I knew of his political leanings, I thought Curt Schilling was an idiot. That said, he also likes to play the victim .Schilling was warned several times by ESPN to cease and desist and he didn't. He likes to make it seem like he was one and done with them. I imagine Jemelle Hill will get the same/similar amount of leeway. ESPN is a business and once either person starts affecting their bottom line (ie. advertisers), they will surely get the boot. Speaking of Jemelle Hill, did anyone know who she was before her recent series of tweets that put her in the spotlight? I sure as heck didn't. What if this was all some master plan by her so she could become a recognizable name and also simultaneously get out of her ESPN contract so she could score a more lucrative deal as a news pundit? If that were the truth, I would have to then say: "Well played madame, well played."

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:41 pm EST

Forsberg on Duchene: ‘I would put him on the bench and trade him’..... http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/forsberg-duchene-put-bench-trade/

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:38 pm EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ducks-trade-dustin-tokarski-flyers-future-considerations/ ...... (http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/6031)

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:24 pm EST

You have to wonder what Jamelle Hill is thinking, a bunch of the Cowboys Sponsors are also ESPN Sponsors. Well done!

melvillefred


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:19 pm EST

Rhet do you recall Curt Schilling? He got axed for doing just that. Unfortunately for him he was a conservative. The same rules do not apply for Liberals......and for the record I'm independent

melvillefred


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:52 pm EST

Holy crap Auston Matthews is something else.

Rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:43 pm EST

Vic: Well said

RDW


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:12 pm EST

RHET: I wanted to reply in a way that wasn't political. But I thought it was important that everyone should understand that FREEDOM OF SPEECH is the most misunderstood three words out there. It means something very specific with respect to the US Constitution. It means that private citizens have the right to speak against their government without the threat of retaliation by the government. The government cannot restrict your political speech, nor can they punish you for it. That is it. Whatever repercussions you face for your speech in your private life or from your employer have nothing to do with it. If your employer wants to fire you for something you said on Facebook or twitter they are perfectly within their right. If people want to boycott a company, a sports league or a broadcast network for the things said or done by their employees they are perfectly within their right to do so. FREEDOM OF SPEECH does not mean you get to say whatever you want without fear of any repercussions.

Vic


Mon Oct 9 2017 7:12 pm EST

RHET: that was some intense playoff baseball yesterday

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 7:07 pm EST

The NYR picking up Adam Cracknell tells me that they probably have released Andrew Desjardins from his PTO. The only option for him was that they signed him to a 2nd PTO, signed him to a contract or released him from his PTO. I don't think we have any interest in signing him to a contract (IMO). Does Cracknell play the next game and Carey sit or is Chyil being sent back to the Czech League? I guess we'll know more tomorrow, but it's still a pretty good depth signing for the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 9 2017 7:05 pm EST

Non-Hockey reply: Rhet: I think that as new technologies emerge, (social media in this case) companies are forced to review their policies throughout their companies inclusive of employee agreements, compliance, operation, etc.... In this situation with ESPN we’re dealing with a company that broadcasts to the public and it is also a publicly traded company. When people enter into public life, their lives are no longer public and to expect the public to differentiate between when a "public profile person" is speaking as a private person and “not on the job” as opposed to when that "public profile person" is on the job, is an expectation that will let you down 99 of 100 times. People are going to associate that person with their public persona... ESPN may have to amend their employee / employer agreements, I can't speak for them, what I can speak for is that it is crystal clear that what she is calling for, can and will come right at her and ESPN...

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 6:15 pm EST

Man Mariano Rivera still looks like he can pitch.I can't handle another 1-0 nail biter tonight Yankees.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 9 2017 5:47 pm EST

Non-Hockey post.... MF..... What did ESPN do that you want to boycott it? They have an employee that is using her Constitutional right to voice her opinion at home on her own time. Should she be fired for that? If you voiced a dissenting opinion to hers, should your employer also be boycotted because someone else didn't like your opinion? Where does it end? What's happened to Free Speech in this country? It's okay only if we agree with it?

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 9 2017 5:07 pm EST

http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/michael-matheson-contract-details-cap-hit-florida-panthers/1xgzs6weuxmyj1kw07vva16ovu

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 4:50 pm EST

1adam 1?......Adam Cracknell Adam Cracknell @ACracknell27 · 1h Thank you @DallasStars for everything. Looking forward to another new chapter with the @NYRangers #byecapt #byetyler

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 4:35 pm EST

Enjoy this pain-free season which is the new pre-season to get our acts together for the trade deadline & squeak into the play-offs.....

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 4:22 pm EST

Irving Israeli fears ? i don't know anything about fear or pain, just afraid of getting hurt....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 4:09 pm EST

It was the late 60's at the age of 8 or 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngIxuGOVGeQ

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:52 pm EST

Don’t give that like minds bs... it’s mind over matter ... if you don’t mind it don’t matter...when did you lose yours ?

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:51 pm EST

St.Legs: Jemelle Hill of ESPN just got suspended for the 2nd time in a short period of time calling for the boycott of advertisers of the Dallas Cowboys & Greenbay Packers..... Wonder how long it takes for a boycott of ESPN to ensue? Sign me up.

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:50 pm EST

Irving you spying on me ?

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:50 pm EST

Cm have to think they are going to do something with dejardin since they haven’t released him from his pto . Your man brad Richards recommended they give him a shot. Fishboy is using the shotgun approach.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:48 pm EST

CMark: Desjardins has your boy Richard's endorsement, it may carry plenty of clout.

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:46 pm EST

I have to admit the nyr feed fans plenty of entertainment and aggravation especially from management. And they add insult to injury with their tv announcers... No mercy...

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:43 pm EST

Maybe they catch assvipe.... http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/dolphins-coach-resigns-after-damning-snorting-video-surfaces/

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:41 pm EST

And WTF does Desjardins do now? IS he on a permanent vacation or what? If they aren't going to sign him even if they do send Chytil to HeckRepublic then why is he still here? Enjoying the kraft table or daily massages?

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:40 pm EST

Hey, ADAM CRACKNELL is a RHS: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/4916

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:38 pm EST

Stevie, and this is precisely why people are turning their backs on certain professional sports...

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:38 pm EST

32 year old Cracknell? Why not give Nieves a shot. But it looks like another message to AV regarding Ruff breathing over his shoulder. Gorto is like (AV, no need to sweat, I'm just bringing in a favorite of Lindy's, it doesn't mean anything. Honest!)

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:35 pm EST

STEVIE - Hah! THe Ranger Pyle's could use a little Sgt. Hartman to get them revved up now and then!

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:35 pm EST

But Hospo, we have two 18 year old's which may make the team in the future.

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:32 pm EST

Time for this yet ? Lol.... http://nypost.com/2017/10/09/raiders-star-confronts-b-h-fans-in-postgame-parking-lot-fight/

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:31 pm EST

WILD - If you think that's what I wanted or want, be my guest, I couldn't care less....To me, the biggest objective of the entire off-season should have been to improve at center with all the chips they had (including dealing one of Hayes or Step ) at their disposal back in June..If you like what Gordon has done, have at it...Not me...that failure, unless addresses, is gonna lead to an unsatisfactory year...

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:19 pm EST

Hospo this ? ....https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hv6FJ-U3css

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:16 pm EST

MCLEOD is in Nashville now, not Colorado.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 9 2017 3:03 pm EST

ZETTERBERG: if Zetterberg retires after 2 seasons and signs overseas like Kevin Klein did, is Detroit off the hook for his salary? If so, I'd kick the tires on Zetterberg, see if we could structure a deal which included having the Wings eat some salary... Then if Zetterberg retires after 2 seasons, we're not on the hook... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/2050

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:55 pm EST

CryptoLegs: Dust off your Cryptometer and figure out what AV & Phishboy are doing....... We could go small, BRIAN GIONTA is unsigned, RHS, a vet, could be a good depth signing for the 4th line and 2nd PP unit...... Oh, and all this chatter about JESPER FAST like he's the end all be all.... geez louise

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:54 pm EST

HOSPO: cool. Skjei, Bush, Graves and a First will get you Duchene....kind of results you want. Your view is so narrow minded it’s crazy

Wildcard


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:38 pm EST

WILD - Screw mamby pamby excuses..I don't give a shit what they were working..I only care about results...and so far, the results suck (and I'm not talking the record).but, hey, keep your expectations low..

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:36 pm EST

Yes, let's trade STEPAN and not find a center that can play anywhere in the top 9...Brilliance Gorton..pure brilliance....but..but...Desharnais....LMAO..

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:34 pm EST

HOSPO: is it bad work by management if they couldn’t get a center for a decent price? If everyone is asking for the moon and stars I would rather they not make a move. It’s obvious from quotes and rumors that the Rangers want a center and were working the phones. Sometimes the best move is the one you don’t make.

Wildcard


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:24 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 2h2 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted Joe Fortunato Think Lettieri may be here at some point: Only two games in Hartford so far

stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 2:07 pm EST

If the tea leaves are showing CHYTL going bye bye..they better damn well let JT MILLER play center with no yo yoing for a month AND pick up an NHL wing that can score (not Cracknell)..or Bozo Gordo gets a damn center like he should have during the off season...poor job by management over the last three months..

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:59 pm EST

Hard to figure what assvipe and fishboy are doing since they rarely tell the truth to the media. Guess Lindy rupp rough ruff has some juice already in probably pushing for them to claim crackers..., anal can’t wait to get his pet quickie fast back to carry his water and his team over the finish line... but it’s hard to fill holes if you’re choosing to crackem...

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:58 pm EST

Good times in Rangerland...Good times.:)...Tried watching most of the game last night...Talk about a total borefest..Still think that was the 3rd game of suckage..and the lineup and roster is a mess....but some better things...Yes, the Habs have destrowyed theier team (no POs for you!!!) but a win is a win....The King was better...They were more defensively responsible..ZBAD can shoot the puck...Smith and eaned a seat but so did the defensiveky ienpt Del Angelo....Kampfer baby! Earned the team by merit and should stay it for a game or two----Yes, I know, that is pathetic...Deangleo needs to be sent down.........As for CHYTL, please get the kid soemwhere where he can play and learn so he can helop the next Ranger coach next year....Center is still one hige cluster fuck.........CRACKNELLL??????? You guys know I love my vets, but he ain't the anser to anything........Cente

Hospo


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:57 pm EST

For you fight’of’files I guess this guy had no issue getting into it with Cody (Conner) McLeod. So, maybe you’ll get some dust up entertainment from him. That’s probably not a guy you would want to randomly pick on to spark your team. There is lower hanging fruit in Colorado then McLeod.

E


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:52 pm EST

Seems to be a nhl courtesy mostly not to claim guys on waivers before season starts .

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:51 pm EST

RF: I saw nothing wrong with giving Cheeto a few games at the show. Gives him a chance to see what the next level will look like and what it will take. Fine by me. As far as Crackhead? Who cares? Just a waiver claim. I no virtually nothing about him other than to say he has not had much of a resume. I guess we will just have to wait and see. For me, this is all early season stuff. Been going to this rodeo long enough to know that on a long enough timeline someone ends up gored by the bull and I laugh. Bull-1 Cowboy-doesn’t matter because he’s got a hole 14” wide where his colon used to be. Right now, I don’t know what they need. I’m just waiting to see how things dial in. If there is one consistent theme with AV, it is that he gets the team playing very well early and racks those easy points that has completely masked the late season mediocrity. I have no reason to expect different this season. He has a good read and he usually gets his teams system down quickly. I can’t hate on him about that.

E


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:42 pm EST

Smells of mismanagement by committee. Gorton should take input from the coaches but if he sees a move that needs to be made then do it. Make the decision, coach be damned. Just speculation of course.

NYStranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:39 pm EST

Stevie: maybe it’s hard to be all on the body against Ottawa because they don’t possess the puck. The moment they get it, they throw it back to the red line. And then if they do get it there they chip and chase the puck with no defensive support. It’s hard to play the body on a team that spends their whole game not making plays waiting for you to do something dumb so they can get a PP and release Ericsson all over you.

E


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:32 pm EST

Agreed the Rangers missed the boat with Rychel now that Cracksmell is a Ranger. All because of the boneheaded decision to keep Chytil on the team. 3 games in and management sees the light. And misses out on more attractive waiver wire offerings. Mismanagement for sure.

Rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:30 pm EST

Just like the old days of bench clearing brawls....https://www.skoften.net/item/bokswedstrijd_met_opgefokte_coaches_loopt_volledig_uit_de_klauwen

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:27 pm EST

Could he be this guy ? ... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kq4SqgxIKM0

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 1:02 pm EST

https://www.ispot.tv/ad/7UFD/geico-kraken-its-what-you-do

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:30 pm EST

Rupp making his first move to remake the team for when he takes over? :)

Ranger47


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:15 pm EST

I seriously have no clue where Gorton is going with this team. He needs to shit or get off the pot, not make bold moves like trading STEPAN sand the. Following them up with an absolutely worthless waiver claim.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:12 pm EST

NYStranger: Picture Jeff TOMS. Only slower.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:10 pm EST

If that's the case...that CRACKNELL means CHYTIL is going back to the Czech league, then that is some massive mismanagement. Could have had RYCHEL last week. Twice the player...if this is Ruff's influence, then he needs to be fired.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:08 pm EST

What's a Cracknell?

NYStranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:07 pm EST

Newfie perhaps Z is shooting from a bit closer to center of the ice? Does not take much to change angle and give yourself a better chance of hitting the corner. I remember him shooting just wide top farside of the net a ton last year....

NYStranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:03 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 27m27 minutes ago Cracknell's arrival probably means rookie center Filip Chytil heading back to Czech Republic 2 replies 6 retweets 16 likes Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 28m28 minutes ago Cracknell does skate on the PK. Note: Lindy Ruff had him in Dallas last season 1 reply 3 retweets 7 likes Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 29m29 minutes ago Cracknell, 32, played 69 games with Stars last season, going 10-6-16. Cap hit: $675,000 2 replies 5 retweets 2 likes Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 39m39 minutes ago #NYR have claimed RW Adam Cracknell off waivers from Dallas

stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:01 pm EST

It’s so funny when Garbutt is standing on the left for a FO with Cracknell to the right: https://pics.onsizzle.com/16-cracknel-garbutt-22-garbutt-tcracknett-butt-crack-thought-yall-2388373.png

Ola


Mon Oct 9 2017 11:56 am EST

Release the Cracken

RF73


Mon Oct 9 2017 11:47 am EST

E: It did not appear to me that we played physical against the AV's or Toronto. Why they turn it on against Montreal is anyone's guess, chalk it up to payback time, the Habs owned us for decades.

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 11:40 am EST

I seriously have no ideas what Gorton is thinking carrying eight D, passing on a whole host of good, young forwards who were on the waiver wire two weeks ago only to claim a piece of trash like CRACKNELL while STILL having f'ing DESJARDINS on a goddamn PTO. And with forwards in Hartford who are better and more fitted for AV's style. I mean, I would have rather had GLASS on the team.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 11:33 am EST

Claiming Adam CRACKNELL literally defies logic. Old, slow, larger, aphyisclal forward who has almost no offensive ability. Stupidest claim I've seen this team make in a long time.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 11:25 am EST

We claimed a huge named Crackwell or something!

Ola


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:49 am EST

Trevor Lewis available? Eric Fehr? Cody Eakin? Is Bjugstad available?

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:32 am EST

tdchi...........I'm with you, we need a shut-down centre. Miller could probably handle it, but I like his offensive side, don't want to ruin that in his game............ Z, Hayes, or Desharnais can't fulfill that role !

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:28 am EST

Rf4L.........that's the funny thing about Z....when he first came here everyone thought he was gonna be that off-wing shot saviour on the PP. But, if you remember, he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door. I don't know what he did to correct this but I like it. He is a lethal weapon over there,in close or even up high. I'm impressed.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:25 am EST

Well, there's only one direction from here...I drank myself into a coma, so didn't manage to see them fail at losing...Like I said last night: This Ranger team is A LOT better than their first two games...I think three things are causing issues: 1. LUNDQVIST has NOT been sharp. In fact, he's looking like his critics said he would --old and slow. My hope is that he simply needs to warm up and that after a month or so, we'll see the Hank of old. But I'm not going to hold my breath quite yet...2. Everyone needs to adjust to the new D. Seems like the forwards are out of sync with them. It would explain some of them getting perpetually pinned in their own end. A failure of the breakout. And 3. They need a third-line center. If it's not CHYTIL, then promote DESHARNAIS and NIEVES, or slide MILLER to the middle and promote a winger like PUEMPEL...11 forwards and 7 D is just ridiculous. I really can't think of what sort of brain hemorrhage AV had to try that BS...and I'm hoping the win isn't positive reinforcement...Seems to me the Rangers are going to keep Chytil around at least until FAST comes back...and at this point, I would prognosticate that they'll keep him until the World Juniors. Probably why they're going to purse out his remaining seven games...seems to me that there really isn't much question as to whether or not that need a top-nine center...ZIBANAJED is clearly fine as number 1 and I think HAYES is looking alright as number two...I wonder how much a guy like Brandon SUTTER would cost? He'd fall in perfectly onto third line and give the Rangers' forward lines the defensive presence they lost when STEPAN was traded.

tdchi


Mon Oct 9 2017 10:00 am EST

@stevezipay · 6m Coaches not perfect, neither are athletes, sportswriters or fans. Part of the culture, so the opinions churn. Peter D'Arienzo @PeteyDeeLFD Replying to @stevezipay It is amazing how many Ranger fans know more hockey than AV and don't like him. 3 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 21m Rangers off today after B2B, BTW; guessing Jesper Fast is skating, and perhaps PTOer Andrew Desjardins

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 9:06 am EST

Trust the silly Rangers are finally gonna do the right thing today and send Chytil back. Stop screwing with this kid's head NOW!

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:57 am EST

BTW, did anyone know how terrific a shot Z has? I sure didn't. 4 goals now and all of them excellent shots. Keep shooting man, keep shooting. And Buch's assist on Z's goal last night was fabulous.

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:51 am EST

stevie: That's a repercussion of the AV turn the other cheek philosophy. We see it all the time. Remember when the King got hit so hard in a game in Dallas that his helmet and mask came flying off (and he was forced to go to the concussion room)? Not a peep of a response from anyone. Disgusting IMO.

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:47 am EST

nys possibly , but coach anal-lane whistle to whistle is in charge . for whatever reason he has not really recognized how they beat the habnots in the playoffs. it was like watching a fantasy team , rather than the regular assvipe nyr in that series.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:33 am EST

Rf what I don’t like is they let other teams run hanky with little to no response. And the refs mostly turn a blind eye to goalie interference especially on hanky. And I really don’t like refs making believe they didn’t lose sight of the puck when it’s visible to no one except a X-ray machine. While other times they are too quick to blow the whistle and the puck is loose.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:29 am EST

Stevie maybe because the Habnots are the only team smaller and wimpier than the Rangers?

NYStranger


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:25 am EST

And down on the farm a 2-1 SO win for the Pack with Tambellini scoring both goals. He's got 2 in 2 games. Good start. Keep that up and he'll get a look-see eventually I'd say with the Rangers.

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:23 am EST

If the Rangers start against the Blues and BJs like the previous 3 games, be prepared for losses.

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 8:21 am EST

Good win but the Rangers had better not dismiss or ignore the fact that they had another horrid first period start and if not for MOntreal's lack of high end skill, it's more than reasonable to envision a very different score and outcome. I just don't get this lack of readiness to play we've seen so often. It's become the norm for this team it seems.

rf4l


Mon Oct 9 2017 7:34 am EST

E my question is how come they can do it against the habnots but not really against other teams, especially Ottawa in the last playoffs . They need to stick to that game plan and force their opponents to adjust. Speed and grit seems to be a winning formula in the nhl right now. Of course it will morph into something else eventually.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 6:41 am EST

Rhet thank for info. I thought it was on any challenge. But if they ruled no kick, the next move was to challenge offside which they were . Of course Msg idiots didn’t know that. There too busy gossiping and reading the talking points, along with not paying attention

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 9 2017 5:56 am EST

KIS: interesting thing about size. The Montreal Canadians can’t seem to handle the New York Rangers size on the wings when things get going. You could see as the game wore on and the New York Rangers tightened up again the New York Rangers started physically pounding the Montreal Canadians. It’s almost like fate has turned in some way. There is some weird trends that seem to be holding true. First, for no reason I can pinpoint TO and the New York Rangers turns into a barn burner. No matter the season it seems. And the New York Rangers suddenly turn into a physical menace on the Montreal Canadians. No way to explain it. MZA, Chris Krieder, and now Shattenkirk just got into it. You all complain about the New York Rangers lack of physical play. Strangely, if the New York Rangers played the Habs every game you’d think they were the most physically menacing team in the league. Go figure. Now watch it all disappear against St. Louis and then The CBJs damn near run the NYR out of the building.

E


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:27 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/make-hockey-great-again-eight-off-the-wall-ways-to-improve-the-game

mf


Mon Oct 9 2017 12:26 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/07/nhl-gms-are-wasting-leverage-gifted-to-them-with-bad-deals/

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:40 pm EST

Buch has played well since preseason. Huge difference in his confidence and presence. Upside is significant.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:01 pm EST

Rangers need a good defensive minded physical center. I don’t like the way this team plays defensively. Vesey is gonna be a good player eventually.

kis


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:39 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/08/henrik-lundqvist-backs-rangers-to-first-win-after-shaky-start/

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:34 pm EST

OK, so I'll start by saying that playing 11 forwards and 7 D is just stupid, especially at this point in the season. DeANGELO is being handled nearly as poorly as CHEETOS. All that said, KAMPFER at his worst tonight was 10 times better then SMITH's best in the previous two games. I said it right after game one when he was the only guy I singled out. He was just as bad in game two. Unless he is hurt (and I haven't heard anything about an injury) the Coaching staff saw the same things. HOLDEN had some good moments and some scary as hell moments. MILLER did as well but overall played a good game. Other then that they were damn lucky in the first period. If Montreal actually had any talent on that roster they could have scored 8 in the first period. But after that the Rangers settled down and HANK looked more in control. They have a long way to go that is for sure. And again they were playing musical chairs with the lines all night due to dressing 10 forwards and not using the preseason to get lines/pairs setup.

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:00 pm EST

A better link for the Broadway Hat.... https://twitter.com/TheBroadwayHat

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 9:29 pm EST

Apparently, the NYR's stole the new Broadway Hat from a pimp.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 9:28 pm EST

Much better effort on D but man does Holden make some horrible passes.....Have to start finishing some of these odd man rushes...Nash in particular just can't finish.....Liked the line combos tonight...

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:54 pm EST

Stevie....The new NHL rule is only for when you lose a challenge on offsides. Then you would get penalty.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:48 pm EST

Stevielegs: I don't believe so. I don't think that was a coaches challenge, I think it was just a run of the mill request like in seasons before the challenge.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:45 pm EST

So on the kick in goal if it wasn’t waived off the nyr would have gotten a penalty and then make a second challenge for offside and then it would have been waived off but they would remain shorthanded.

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:43 pm EST

Lets hope that this gets them feeling right and they can springboard off this win and play the swell moving forward.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:42 pm EST

We got that off our backs, now we just need to build on it. We still have our warts.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:41 pm EST

Once we got past the first, we played much better. Hank was much better tonight too. Much more like he was in the preseason(after the first period).

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:30 pm EST

BTW, Hartford won today 2-1 in an OT Shootout.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:28 pm EST

If they only played Kampfer every 3rd or 4th game, would he be an All-Star? :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:19 pm EST

Wild,... I agree. He's much more poised/confident this season so far.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:18 pm EST

Rhet: Seems Buch has played well almost every shift this season so far. Good sign, hopefully more points start coming for his efforts.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:16 pm EST

Buch with the setup. He has played well tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:15 pm EST

Really strong game from Buch tonight

RDW


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:15 pm EST

ZZZZZZBBBBBBAAAADDDDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:13 pm EST

This is a boring game. Zzzzz

Rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:47 pm EST

Seems the new face-off rules favor the Rangers. Tonight only Nash who lost his only draw is below 50%. Miller is at 75%, Hayes at 50%, Vesey is 1-1, Desharnais 50%, and Bad is at 50%....when was the last time after any part of a game the Rangers face-off% list looked like that?

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:36 pm EST

Holy spit, the ref started a fight with Zuc and knocked him to the ice :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:30 pm EST

WILD... LOL...That's okay... Kampfer is definitely like a box of chocolates.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:27 pm EST

...Rhet....stupid autocorrect....

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:26 pm EST

Rhea: Thats his MO, he goes from "Why isn't this guy always on a top 4 making good money playing 20 min per night?" then he suddenly turns into, "Shouldn't this guy be riding pine in the ECHL?" he is so hit or miss...when he is hitting he is a really good asset on the ice and can help a team, when he isn't, well...its not good.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:24 pm EST

I hate to say this but Kampfer has looked pretty good so far.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:19 pm EST

the Rangers PP this year is looking good. Just missed on a couple on that one. Still pass a bit too much, but it gets the PK all scrambling around so perhaps its going to keep working out for them. It feels better this year watching it than the last couple, and unlike the last couple years, even when it was scoring at a good clip for a stretch last year, it doesn't seem like a stopper for any momentum, it feels like its building it even if they don't score. Its early, but its a good sign within other not so good things.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:12 pm EST

SO there are flashes from the Rangers of puck movement that is mind-blowing. If they can just get it all the time like that they will be hard to stop...

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:10 pm EST

The fact Steve Kampfer is playing says it all for me. And that's his que to get the GWG.

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:08 pm EST

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wGdhc9k07Ms

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:06 pm EST

TD....There's a chance!!!! :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:06 pm EST

DeAngelo is only playing on the PP.... Per Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... TOI: Holden, Kampfer, 7:02, DeAngelo, 00.52 on 2 shifts

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:04 pm EST

So...you're sayin' there's a chance!!!!

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 7:01 pm EST

TD... At least we got out of the dreaded first period without giving up a goal. We've got a fighting chance.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:59 pm EST

Rhet0ric - definitely. But there's gotta be a lot of get-my-head-out-my-assing this next period. We've seen a good four periods of head-up-my-assing.

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:51 pm EST

Scoring a goal after two Montreal dis-allowed goals is HUGE.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:49 pm EST

finally a bounce for the rangers....

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:48 pm EST

off of Webers skate, it counts

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:48 pm EST

GRABNER!!!YEAHHH BUDDY!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:37 pm EST

weak ass call on Kirk.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:37 pm EST

I can't believe how bad this team has been this far. And it defies logic, because they have so many good players.

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:36 pm EST

E... I've said for a couple of years now that Hank needs glasses(or to increase his prescription).

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:35 pm EST

E: I think the issue is actually the D letting passes get through side to side, Hank keeps getting his body in position, but he is having to move a LOT to do so, if the D would tighten up some it wouldn't look so bad I don't think.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:34 pm EST

I get that the D is getting a new system with a new coach working the D...but this is getting ridiculous. And also, control the puck and pass the puck..this smack it out of the zone thing is what caused them problems the last couple years

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:32 pm EST

And is it just me or is Henrik not tracking pucks well again?

E


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:32 pm EST

The announcer again...I don't know who it is...but he clearly has never read the rule book....its laughable...

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:32 pm EST

Right now the New York Rangers are a mess. They can’t expect video review to save you all night.

E


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:31 pm EST

OMG... 2 FOR 2? Never before happened.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:31 pm EST

AV will save his time-outs for a set of drinking glasses at Mobile, but he's not afraid to use his challenges.. Go Mr. French, it's a family Affair

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:31 pm EST

Refs WANT the Habs to score...they don't even hesitate allowing a kicking puck, a bumping of a goalie....they really don't want anything within the rules.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:31 pm EST

Why did they bring Lindy Ruff in? To look like a fuckin asshole?

tradestar28


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:30 pm EST

Max Patch can play on my team

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:29 pm EST

FIRE AV. PLEEASSE..

Rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:29 pm EST

How can you knock a goalie down and not have it blown?

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:29 pm EST

Max Patch can play on my team

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:29 pm EST

Well, AV is already jumping the shark. Seven DMen?!? I can't believe I defended this team. They fucking suck.

tdchi


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:28 pm EST

WC: weren't you siting the rules last night on the backwards skating off-sides play? This is Ranger Hockey, anything against is possible....

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:26 pm EST

Camphor Balls brought some testosterone while spaghetti sits

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:24 pm EST

GAWD...the color guy on the national broadcast is like "its a tough call but I think its the right call" Tough call? WTF? You can't kick the puck and have it go in on a deflection or of the goalie or defender and in...thats a black and white rule. tough call my ass

Wildcard


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:22 pm EST

OMG, The League actually got a call right.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:22 pm EST

That was KEVIN HAYES defending on Shaw... Great job Kevin, way to grab the back of his jersey and pull him back on his ass... Step up for your trophy

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:21 pm EST

Another genius ref ... guess losing sight is ok and no whistle...

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:14 pm EST

3minutes 15 seconds in, Rangers have thrown 0 hits

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:14 pm EST

Smith may be hurt.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:11 pm EST

Nick Holden has also played several games at forward. Good times tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:08 pm EST

Kampfer has played a couple of games at forward. Not with the NYR but he has played there.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:05 pm EST

Guess zipay guessed wrong , weeknow going with 7 d no hurtle or Smith

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:04 pm EST

Conflicting news.... Per Justin Tasch‏Verified account @J_Tasch ..... According to roster sheet, Chytil is scratched. 11 F, 7 D. Smith scratched. Holden and Kampfer are in.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:46 pm EST

Kreider-Zib-Buch.... Vesey-Hayes-Zucc.... Grabner-Miller-Nash.... Chytil-Desharnais-Carey

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:45 pm EST

DeAngelo and anyone is a bad pairing....

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:42 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay .... Some NYR lines in warmups: 20-93-89; 26-13-36; 40-10-61; 72-51-28

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:41 pm EST

We can trade Smith too for the right return

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:41 pm EST

Holden-DeAngelo seems like a train wreck waiting to happen to me.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:40 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay .... Seems like Staal-McDonagh, Skjei-Shattenkirk, Holden-DeAngelo.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:38 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... No Brendan Smith in warmups, it now appears, and no Fast

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:33 pm EST

and I will recalculate our GAA's which are currently at 6 p/g...

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:32 pm EST

BTW, I'm not sure why it wasn't mentioned but Steven Fogarty is back with the Pack and playing today ....VIC.... If they win today, I'll have to consider it :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:28 pm EST

Rangers win tonight 5-3.....Nash with a couple....

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:22 pm EST

My prediction for tonight. Montreal 6 - Rangers 4. The Rangers will score 2 PP goals. CHEETOS will get 6 minutes of ice time. And SMITH will handle the puck like he has never seen one before. So basically the same as the last two games.....

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 5:20 pm EST

RHET: No way! I have an extra pair if you want one.

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 4:52 pm EST

An epiphany?.... don’t worry take 10-20 games to get familiar.... Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 44m AV: "It mightbe early in the season but the points are important"

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 4:21 pm EST

Considering Coaching Options, "will divulge!"

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 4:13 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay... Lundqvist in goal tonight... AV considering lineup options, won't divulge. Holden? 7 D?

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 3:32 pm EST

Dear NYG... You weren't going to get me this week like you did the prior 4 weeks. I refused to believe you could win and you didn't disappoint. With the injuries today, maybe it's just time to throw in the towel this season. No 1 pick, maybe? Being a long time Giants fan, I know you will even screw that up.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 2:49 pm EST

I still have faith in the Giants. I am certain they can steal defeat from the jaws of victory.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:34 pm EST

Per SNY..... On Sportsnet last night, the topic of Rick Nash's future came up and Elliotte Friedman said that the Rangers and Nash have had "almost no talks" regarding a contract extension past this season.... Nick Kypreos said that there is interest on both sides for Nash to stay with the Rangers but there could be issues with the cap hit.... Kypreos said that the Rangers would probably like Nash at probably just over $3 million per season but that Nash will likely be able to command at least $5 million plus on a new deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:32 pm EST

VIC.... No offense, but you need to take off your Hayes-colored glasses.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:28 pm EST

HOSPO: HAYES was fine defensively last night until that 8th goal by KADRI. He was awful on that. I don't care what the score is and I don't care the game was over. That effort was pathetic.

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:21 pm EST

In regard to Robin Kovacs: has the real story about why he got bought out been mentioned here? I don't think it has or if it's very well known. It's not that the NYR just decided 1-year into his contract that he was a bust and needed to go away. The truth is that he was involved in a drag racing accident back in Sweden that resulted in the other driver's death. Apparently, he and another driver were racing in 2 sports cars, when a female driver went out on the left lane to pull ahead, she didn't the see the 2 cars already in the left lane (they were well above the speed limit at about 200km/h or 125 MPH) Kovacs made it just before she got on the left lane, the other car just behind him smashed into that 3rd car and then the 2nd car driver lost control of his car and flipped off the road and died from his injuries. The woman he hit luckily survived. The driver that died was also a childhood friend of Robin Kovacs. It's also been reported that Kovacs was a repeat offender for drag racing. Sad story all around. Obviously, He has more important things than hockey to deal with and it's not surprising that he wanted to go home... http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/a/OVy3A/svenskt-hockeyproffs-inblandad-i-dodsolyckan

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:14 pm EST

VIC - Hayes actually played well offesnively last night but was again onlay a passenger (at best defensively)...Grabner was totally insignificant and deserved a decrease in ice time

Hospo


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:11 pm EST

The (boxscore) "numbers" speak volumes

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:06 pm EST

One of the funniest, if not downright stupid, stats from last night has to do with ice time. So, outside of CHEETOS, who had 3 least amount of time in a potentially offensive situation (Even Strength or PP)????? HAYES (11:17). The one Center on the team that can actually create high quality scoring chances at even strength, not to mention on the PP. The only regular with less was GRABNER (9:09). Even CAREY had more at 12:14. So, HAYES is being used as a defensive specialist. Absolutely brilliant!!!

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:58 pm EST

mf...agree...I believe I was more upset than the Rangers....Even a pitcher in baseball eventually throws at a hitter when getting his ass kicked...Rangers don't get upset with anything....No emotion at all...

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:57 pm EST

Instead of focusing on Buchnevich,and getting him firing on all cylinders we're babysitting Chytil, good allocation of time.... I did not focus in on Anthony DeAngelo's game but please someone rip him apart if he earned it... And damn, if you can't trade for a high quality center, trade for a high quality wing AND RHS Defenseman..... Wonder what Carolina's asking for JUSTIN FAULK, but damn, get on the wires and know the asking prices on any candidate which will improve the club. We need to win 16 games in the playoffs, that's if we make it in.

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:47 pm EST

Got so worked up, I forgot the boxscore link: https://www.nhl.com/gamecenter/nyr-vs-tor/2017/10/07/2017020016#game=2017020016,game_state=final,game_tab=stats

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:46 pm EST

The NYR Box score from last night, notice the "hits" column: Big Bad able to skate faster than a speeding bullet 6'3" 230 lbs Chris Kreider credited with "1 Hit!" ..... Instead of every coach and club focusing on when CK comes over the boards, we have an emasculated Power Forward... Pass the "Saltpeterre" Mr.French.... Mutha Fucka would I put the POWER in power forward!!!! McDonagh is an absolute beast playing as "Peggy Flemming" off Broadway, GMAFB! .... VESEY & JTMiller also have PF physicality in their toolboxes, WTF is going on here!?!? Game one, Landeskog takes liberties with Rick Nash which go unanswered, not in MF's universe, Bull Effin Shit, 1) I'd rivet Nash's chinstrat to his helmet, never again does that thing come off his noggin, and two, anyone on the ice that doesn't come to aid after a 3rd man in incident that Landeskog pulled, goes to the fuckin showers, youre out of here I don't care if it costs us the game at that point... Smith was signed to play tough, no hits last night, Brady Skjei with his size and skating ability needs to practice scales if he wants to get to Carnegie Hall, embed someone into the g-d damn boards and set the tone, and if the momemtum shifts, take it back.... This is unacceptable and I don't care how much pain Knick fans are willing to tolerate.... Are Chytil's parents home yet so we can excuse the baysitters? OMG, WTF is AV getting paid $5mill per for? There's one thing that matters here, only one, AND THAT'S THE CUP!!!!

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:43 pm EST

Irving stand up and say that. Oh never mind you are standing down there grazing

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:38 pm EST

? All your bags are packed But you’re not ready to go I'm standin' here outside your door I hate to wake you up to say “you’re fired” But the dawn is breakin' It's early morn The bus's waitin' I’m blowin' the horn Already I'm so happy I could cry.......... So kiss my ass and smile for me Tell me that you'll not contact me Call me and I will never answer the phone 'Cause your leavin' on a jet plane Don't ever come back again Oh Alain, I can’t wait for you to go.......... There's so many times you've let us down So many times you've not played to win I tell you now, they don't mean a thing Ev'ry place I go, I'll spit on you Ev'ry song I sing, I'll gag for you When I come back, I'll mail your severance check.......... So kiss my ass and smile for me Tell me that you'll not contact me Call me and I will never answer the phone 'Cause your leavin' on a jet plane Don't ever come back again Oh Alain, I can’t wait for you to go.......... Now the time has come for you to leave One more time Let me smack you Then close your eyes I'll be on my way Dream about the days to come When I won't have to watch you chewing gum About the times, I won't have to say.......... So kiss my ass and smile for me Tell me that you'll not contact me Call me and I will never answer the phone 'Cause your leavin' on a jet plane Don't ever come back again Oh Alain, I can’t wait for you to go.......... But, you’re leavin' on a jet plane Don't ever come back again Oh Alain, I can’t wait for you to go ?

RF73


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:01 pm EST

RF73 - You are not the only one that has been saying that for two years! AV is not a horribe coach but his shelf life with this team and his "leadership" style and "whistle to whistle" weenie way is done and will never win a Cup..JJMWOO

Hospo


Sun Oct 8 2017 12:01 pm EST

Hello Motown, what's the asking price on your boy Larkin?

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:59 am EST

The "Trade-away-tor" is tuned and ready to rumble, ready to trade Chytil & Anderson too for the right compensation coming back to us...

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:56 am EST

Legs, this means war! (too bad your buddy AV doesn't want to battle)

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:55 am EST

Pj Mac David Mathews skidney et al to cover for not being prepared for the season minus one of their top centers . Which they will milk as an excuse. Duck here comes the work in progress line ... and after 9 games claiming hurtle is not nhl ready but now he knows what to expect next year. And they are on a quest to find a center and the Cup...

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:48 am EST

So the Rangers didn't believe Chytil would need some time to adjust?...I mean what exactly were they expecting?.....

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:45 am EST

Irving that’s disgusting, you want grey poop on . You already full of it. Go fling cow pies. I knew I should have skipped your post...

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:44 am EST

Brett Cyalis from last night "The Rangers look even uglier than feared" http://nypost.com/2017/10/07/rangers-rocked-again-as-lundqvist-gets-quick-hook/

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:38 am EST

Ahah: 2 references about 1 JT Miller hit that stood out. Thank you PJ and Hospo.... Most NY'er's are more agressive during their commute to & from work than AV-Fluffy's Rangers, do pass the Grey Poupon

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:31 am EST

Just for AV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChTqYlDjtI

mf


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:30 am EST

Nick that’s what happens when the coach is not paying attention and making bad decisions while saving his timeouts for green stamps. Guess he forgot hockey is a 60 minute game. ... now he’s chalked up the first 10-20 games of 20-40 points....and will panic in March to get that checkmark to keep that paycheck coming next season....

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:23 am EST

Just horrible hockey game to watch...We got screwed by the officiating but they didn't allow 5 goals in the first...DeAngelo is not an NHL defenseman....Smith was disgraceful and Shattenkirk as advertised in his own end...Hank was under siege from the start of the game....Oh and other than the JT Miller hit all I saw was ineffective stickchecking in our own end.....All of this predictable to be honest...

PJ


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:21 am EST

We'd all better hope AV doesn't get canned. We'll have no one to blame for losses. I hated the way he coughed up goals in the last 2 minutes of 2 playoff games last year, though.

Nick


Sun Oct 8 2017 11:12 am EST

Rf73 I’m not sure and hope not that what he’s picking he’s chewing. He’s going nowhere. Fishboy extended him to cover for his own and the genius ‘ mistakes. And what the Knick gm said , is basically true for the nyr. The corporate world of Msg is blowing smoke up jimmboy’s rear and putting a boatload of $ in his pockets . They make money inspite of themselves. If they were in a smaller marketplace, they’d be losing a boatload of money. Anal-lane veendontknow will be gone when fishboy feels the heat. Until such time the ss minnow stays the course. ....on a 3 hour tour ... which just might last a lifetime....

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:48 am EST

Vic---calm down...remember what the gum chewing, nose picking Veengottago said..."that's what the first 10 - 20 games of the season are for"...to get so far behind in the standings that 1. he destroys the youngsters futures & his goalies confidence; 2. they have to scramble like hell just to qualify for the post-season (maybe); 3. get eliminated in the first round (only if the maybe portion of #2 is correct)...Just for the record - I will repeat what I have said for the last two years...this team will accomplish NOTHING as long as he is behind the bench because management is too stupid to realize what a poison he is.

RF73


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:41 am EST

HOSPO: Actually, we used to agree a lot. Until you got all crotchety and old farty... I, on the other hand, just keep getting younger and smarter....;-)

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:22 am EST

And what the hell with JT Brown? Who the hell does he think he is, John Carlos? ...Fist in the Air? Awareness for what?? Give me a break...And Ryan Reeves wearing a Visored Steelers Helmet during post game interviews?? OK......BTW, the Pens-Nashville game had some rockin hitting and distaste last night (with Reeves doing alot).....which was totally missing from last night's Ranger-Leaf prance fest (minus 2 hits)

Hospo


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:19 am EST

Assvipe can go with 7 d tonight since he basically only wants to play 3 lines for 10-20 games until everyone gets acclimated with one another. Especially since they are carrying 8 d and only 12 forwards. He sorely misses his pet and secret weapon quickie , a player for all 4 lines. Maybe he can get allaire to teach him how to be a goalie too. Can you say man crush?

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:16 am EST

VIC - We don't agree often, so I have to note that we agree 100% on your last two posts...I'm sure we'll be back to normal on your next one..........

Hospo


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:07 am EST

As for CHEETOS, I don't want to see him again until camp next year. There is no reason to even dress him. Playing with 11 forwards and 5 D like they did for most of last night is another example of incompetence. In Game 2!!!! Put HOLDEN in. You can't play a season with 5 D. If you can't trust DeANGELO to take a regular shift then send him down. And for Christ sake will someone hit SMITH with a bat and let him know the season has started. 2 games and he has sucked in both.

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 10:00 am EST

RF4L: Damn right my head exploded last night. I was yelling obscenities at the TV, and that jackass AV in particular. I want him fired today for gross incompetence! Anyone with a ounce of brains was saying, well before camp opened, that MILLER should be moved to Center. AV should have been playing him there every game in the preseason. They should have been working on his game and identifying roles and linemates. The same for the HAYES line. But no, we have to wait until the season starts to do what should have been started over a month ago. INCOMPETENCE!!!!!

Vic


Sun Oct 8 2017 9:58 am EST

RF4L - The Rangers haven't been ready at all since Thursday night..They have played one good period this season as a reaction to the embarrassment of the first period..A disjointed team to say the least..Except the PP...I gather they practiced that alot in the preseason, and it shows..The lack of focus on defense and positioning also shows....As for changes, don't think there is anybody to put in for CHYTL yet so, for cryng out load, if he's here, let the kid play 12-15 minutes and see what happens...HOLDEN should be in also...There's only one reason to play DeAngelo and that's the PP..It's been on fire without any contribution from him .I'd keep him benched, or better, in Hartford until the PP tanks or one of the top 3 offensive D-men get hurt..Both will happen...It would be different if the Rangers needed Dangelo for the PP like the Devils with BUTCHER

Hospo


Sun Oct 8 2017 9:06 am EST

Living legend Jaromir Jagr surprises the "Travelling Jagrs" during the first intermission on #Flames TV. Pretty cool. @68isgr8.... https://twitter.com/Fan960Nault/status/916867688189669376

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 9:00 am EST

Despite the fact that he's practicing, he's still listed as on target for a Late October return. Now that doesn't mean that he wont return tonight or for the next game. The NYR coaching staff generally keeps that day-to-day info close to the vest.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:53 am EST

Oh, the game is in NY tonight; thought Montreal. Well, either way, after tonight unless he suddenly gets 15+ minutes and shows well, it's time to ship out Chytil. Montreal got lambasted by the Capitals yesterday and in reading the stories about it, apparently the Canadiens were as bad defensively as the Rangers were against the Leafs. Should be an interesting game from at least that standpoint.

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:42 am EST

Rhet: Do you know when Fast is slated to return? I believe he's traveling with the team.

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:39 am EST

Stevie... Kovacs is done with the NYR.... RF4L... We'll find out at 5PM. No morning skate today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:37 am EST

TD: Your boy Ryan Hartman - 6 points in 2 games and 4th in NHL scoring!

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:32 am EST

Is Holden in tonight? Gotta think yes and logic also says DeAngelo comes out. Staal BTW, got bumped up to first pairing with McD in the 2nd period. I think he had a strong game. For sure his skating is a detriment at times now - I don't think he's slowed down; I think the game has sped up. But when he plays physical, which he did last night, he can compensate.

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:20 am EST

FTR, I say he's not going to say the opposite because it makes not just him and his mates look bad, but the coaches, too. I say they weren't ready. And we've seen this before, haven't we? Too many times the last 2 years. And because it's being going on for that long I see no reason to expect it to disappear. At least not until there's a coaching change. What will it take for that to happen?

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:17 am EST

I know it's just words and Staal, being one of the senior Rangers has the integrity to face the media but if that's the case (the Rangers were ready) then they simply aren't good enough: “I don’t want to say we weren’t ready,” Marc Staal said. “We felt good in here coming out, but we lost every puck battle and every foot race. We were outcompeted. That’s what it came down to. And they filled the net.”

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 8:14 am EST

For me I see a lot more NHL readiness from DeAngelo vs Chytil. Chytil is over-matched and I understand why AV has him on the bench. He's not ready. Of course it helps the kid none that his team is playing with zero structure. If he gets similar minutes tonight I sure hope when the team limps home management does the right thing and sends him home. I want him in the OHL but playing in the Czech league has to be better than this environment.

rf4l


Sun Oct 8 2017 6:57 am EST

Robin Kovacs Sweden Status: Confirmed Transaction Position: LW/RW Date: 10/07/2017 Birth: 1996-11-16 From: Hartford Wolf Pack Shoots: L To: Luleå HF Size: 182 cm / 6'0" | 80 kg / 176 lbs

stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 4:16 am EST

“The Maple Leafs put up a new sign outside the visitors’ dressing room, reading: “You are now entering enemy territory.” Vigneault said he hadn’t even noticed it.”.....that’s not all he didn’t notice, such as not having his goalie and team , and himself ready for the regular season . ....4 possible points down the drain.... they count in april too.... mr checkmark alias skidmark.... save your timeouts, you’ll get free gum to chew for the next game....take up playing the fiddle while Rome is burning....try preparation H.....assvipe....

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 4:04 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/07/critical-rangers-role-player-has-secret-weapon-in-his-recovery/

Stevielegs


Sun Oct 8 2017 1:40 am EST

I tuned in for the start of the 3rd period knowing the score was 5-2 after 1 and tied after 2... I'm guessing that the Rangers tried to out-skate Toronto and initiated little if any hitting..... We're not going to be able to out skate every team we face, especially on game two of a back-2-back, we've got to initiate and play the body otherwise we're a one trick pony, and anyone know watched last year's Montreal series knows that we can play physical..... Rip the damn band-aid off already and ship Chytil out of here.... Let's live or die with JT Miller at center and promote LETTIERI (a RHS) and work Vincent into the 2nd unit PP so that we have any combo of 3 & 2 LHS & RHS on the PP.... Big "IF" it is optimal to have 3RHS & 3LHS defensemen, then it is even more critical to have a combo of 3&2 and not 4&1 on the PP...... Short of JT MIller pulling off a miracle at center, tune up your Traderator's, you may need them.... How's our GAA's? Nuff said, "that sucks!" don't mess with Nuff. :->)

mf


Sat Oct 7 2017 11:07 pm EST

Chytil 7 minutes game 1 and 5 minutes game 2. Yep, that's how you develop 18 year olds.

rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 10:54 pm EST

Andrei

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 10:54 pm EST

Andrew- Deangelo not being a rookie doesn't have anything to do with being able to send him down. It's contract status. He is eligible to go to Hartford. Check CapFriendly to see who can go down.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:51 pm EST

I try not to watch the Ranger telecasts when I can watch the other announcers (Tinight it was Nockey Night in Canada) because their homerism make me vomit and i HATE Dickaletti and VALIQUETTE..Just curious hw gthe crew sugar coated this one.or were they objective?

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:46 pm EST

What the Hell is Duguay wearing? Is he going fox hunting after the post game?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:45 pm EST

RHET - Yeah, we'll disagree on that one..but that's cool....To me..He played there his entire life..in the AHL and with the Rangers in the beginning...Had one year of mind farts under AV's yo yoing..I think he'll do just fine if left to play...Doesn't mean I wouldn't rather have a real TOP center with my questions about Hayes (though he played well most of tonight) and ZBAD (outside the PP)..and keeping JT at wing...But with this current team? he has to play center

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:39 pm EST

Fred... I'm right there with you, just be glad you're not a Knicks fan :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:37 pm EST

Nothing I've seen about JT Miller at C leads me to believe that he can handle the defensive zone coverages. His best fit to me is one the Wing, but that of course is JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:35 pm EST

Rhet.....I’m exhausted from jumping up and down with the great results....0-2 and 0-4...... beautiful. Was watching with my wife....when it went to 6-5 I turned on my TiVo of Hell’s Kitchen......my wife goes what are you doing?! There’s still 12+ minutes left!!! I told her when you come back from 5-1 down if you don’t take the lead you’re done......seen it time and time again. Obviously the right choice on my part.

melvillefred


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:32 pm EST

What a weird post game with Maloney wandering through the locker room looking for someone to interview and babbling to himself as he's looking for players

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:30 pm EST

WILD - Kinda disagree on CHYTL..Had a great camp..Showed the offense-he will be a stud..But nithing wrong with saying "Hey kid, great cam, but you need to work on this for the NHL"..Happens to 95 % of the players!..Anyways, agree with you on the return of FAST, makes the team more complete...but in the meantime, the options in the system are so limited...They should hav e signed or trade for an NHL forward..ANd gthen there's the center postion--if JT dfoesn't play there..If he does, we need anither wing AFTER FAST

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:26 pm EST

RF4L - I think he meant D'angelo..For CHYTL, I think the only extra forward we have is DESJARDINS? But he isn't even signed yet..If the 2nd half of tonight's game is any indication, are we back to JT MILER at C..

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:26 pm EST

Hospo: I think they are trying to limp through until Fast returns.Fast really will help bring more balance to the lines. I think remove Chytil and insert Fast. But before that it might be worth brining up a kid from the pack to replace him, and get him back to a lower level. I had said it prior to the season, he earned a look at the regular season...thats what camp is for, and how devastating would it have been if he did a great job in camp and was told "your going home" thats how you destroy a kids confidence, you tell him even when he does really well he doesn't get a payoff....but after 2 games and he clearly isn't ready for regular season action, I think a lot of it is mental, but it doesn't really matter WHY its what is happening. Fast would be the best option but he isn't ready yet, so I would call up one of the other guys from the Pack. Wont be world beaters, but may be a little more stable and solid on the lower lines.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:23 pm EST

Newf...insert who for Chytil. Thoughts?

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:19 pm EST

Not impressed with # 77..........if the only reason to keep him active is to be on the #2 PP unit......it's not worth it. Just keep Shatty out there for the full 2 mins, move Zucc up front and use the Captain on the point. I'm not saying get rid of 77 but it may be time to insert Holden in there every other game ..........like tomorrow for instance.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:18 pm EST

FRED.... I think I'm going to stop watching the Giants for the rest of the season. I can't take all this winning.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:15 pm EST

Exception being the PP..

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:14 pm EST

Rangers have played six periods so far this year and only in about 1 and a half of them have they not been sloppy, defensively irresponsible and disjointed...Basically, a mess right now..with alot of line up questions and two players that shouldn't be playing..Does this team even have a 13th forward?

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:12 pm EST

I can't explain it, but Veeeeenyo inspires me. Am I the only one? Ruff times.

punchrolfe


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:11 pm EST

Good god and tomorrow I get to watch the Giants. There is a load of talent on this team but it looks totally disjointed and confused. Well not like I had CUP expectations so I’m not to upset.

melvillefred


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:09 pm EST

Well, that sucked. Onto game 3

wiosa


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:09 pm EST

AV sucks.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:08 pm EST

Hayes and defense just don't seem to get along.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:07 pm EST

This version of the nhl sucks. The penalties called now.? I just don’t get it. Not joyful to watch

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:07 pm EST

Kadri just undressed Staal & scores!? pervert

mf


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:07 pm EST

Hayes is a forward, yes, but yikes...

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:05 pm EST

AV sucks.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:03 pm EST

This will be a tough season. We really need to decide what some of these guys are going to be. Do we sign JT or Hayes long term or trade them?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:02 pm EST

Carey growling on me

rangerlou


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:00 pm EST

Come on JT.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:00 pm EST

This season will be the undoing of Lundquivst I believe.......

Badboy409


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:58 pm EST

Watching this game is more difficult than "finding a Chee-dle in a game-stat!"

mf


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:56 pm EST

AV sucks.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:54 pm EST

NYStranger - It indeed sucks....only the chaos and incinsistencies keep it watchable

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:53 pm EST

For the most part, I think the Rangers have handed youngsters really well..becasue they usually show patience and err on the side of caution..Why I didn't get this CHYTL and D'ANgelo shit

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:53 pm EST

What does control of the puck mean anymore after that call?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:52 pm EST

Sorry can't watch this crap. The NHL has become brutal.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:51 pm EST

That call is happening all over the NHL..it blows..ruins the game..but it is what is...

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:51 pm EST

0 and 2. Montreal up next. Who starts? Tje queen or Pavelec?

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:50 pm EST

rngrsans: Yeah he sure has screwed up Skjei, Miller, Kreider, Hayes, Fast, Lindberg, Vesey, Buch...just can't stand how much young players have beens screwed up by AV.....

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:49 pm EST

E: Exactly...how can they call that all year and into the post season? They can't...its silly...its a little touch...

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:49 pm EST

rngrsans... Same things were said about Tortorella. How did we ever make it to the postseason?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:49 pm EST

And the nhl has given me reasons to hate them again. 2-gifts. Ridiculousness...

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:48 pm EST

Rng? Whome did he screwed up exactly?

Andrei


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:47 pm EST

And if that’s a slash then what isn’t a slash?

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:46 pm EST

Some home cooking on that one? That was a brutal travesty of officiating. If you bring your leg into the zone before you even have control of the puck it’s offsides. Every day since the offside rule was put in place.

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:45 pm EST

Rhet0ric: no offense but AV screws up a lot of our players

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:45 pm EST

BOZAK is showing the NYR that he wan't to be a teammate.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:43 pm EST

How stupid. You have to posses the puck to go over the beeline backwards....you CAN NOT posses the puck in your arms or hands....refs and the war room blew that one.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:43 pm EST

ON SIDE? HOW the F was that on side?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:43 pm EST

Bad call

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:43 pm EST

Ranger vet forwards fell asleep there..totally outhustled by the Leafs..A goal and a penalty! need a good PK or it's the game

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:42 pm EST

This challenge is a new one on me.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:40 pm EST

Oh Crappa jammies!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:40 pm EST

ANdrei- Why Relax? I think the kid sucks defensively and isn't an NHL calibre player at this point (he just lucked out big time again with a very bad play)..Mismanagement if the Rangers are stuck with him or can't send him down....Ony reason he played for Arizona was becasuse they have nothing..

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:39 pm EST

Seriously? Not an AV fan, but I'm not touching that one.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:36 pm EST

Rhet. McI.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:35 pm EST

Guys, relax. DeAngelo can’t be be send down. He will get claimed. Chyntil is here for the 8 game stint, then he will go back to Europe. De’Angelo played over 40 games in Arizona, so he is not a rookie anymore.

Andrei


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:35 pm EST

What Rookie did AV screw up? Asking for a friend.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:34 pm EST

Well well well. Chytil benched. Miller centering MZA and Nash. Vic's head exploded.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:32 pm EST

The greatest thing in Hockey tonight might be learning that the Ambassador from Australia is Joe Hockey....and the Ausie kid got a goal in his first game...very cool for the sport internationally.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:31 pm EST

If AV is gonna screw up another rookie.... send him down and don't let him rot on bench

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:28 pm EST

wow... nice save.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:13 pm EST

WILD - He's talented on the PP and open ice offensively but he needs ALOT of work with the defensive, mental, and physical (he's weak) part of the game...Just needs time and leanring in the AHL..just like CHYTL (different reasons)

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:12 pm EST

let's Go RANGERS.................AV is a God ..........LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:10 pm EST

SO I was going to say after the giveaway in the first by DeAngelo that, hey, its a bad mistake, but every player makes them, and add to that it hit a guy in the heel, does it 10 times probably the pucks goes through 7. But just as that PP ended just now he made a soft pass up the boards right at the leafs sin bin, just in time for the guy to come out. I am not an NHL player and even I know that when the PP is winding down you send the puck up on a short pass OR up the middle or towards the benches.....you KNOW there is a guy about to step out of the box. The kid just, I don't know, can it be taught? or is he just that, well, stupid with the puck? I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, new team, new city, all that jazz....buuuuutttt...come on now kid.

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:10 pm EST

Benched. Again. He's not ready. Beyond obvious.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:08 pm EST

Good work by Pavelec at the end of the period..Gonna be an interesting 3rd!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:08 pm EST

I never wanted that period to end.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:04 pm EST

No Chityl?

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:04 pm EST

Keep Del ANgelo on the bench!

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:01 pm EST

Ohhh..E whips out the Open Ass Pond Hockey(OAPH) acronym..spot on..what do we see in the third???

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:59 pm EST

Yes. Carey proving worthy. Chytil benched. Start Pavalec next game regardless of how this game ends. And the Kings stupid contract.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:59 pm EST

Holy Bat Shit....All tied up

rangerlou


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:59 pm EST

Beset = Vesey. D Pairs: 1 defensive and one offensive guy on each.

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:58 pm EST

Why does hockey between TO and the NYR turn into a game where the coaches just throw the clipboards away because the players are just having fun thinking its OAPH.

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:57 pm EST

Zuke...1 goal 4 assists.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:56 pm EST

Beset deserved the promotion!

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:56 pm EST

Carey has had a few good shifts this period.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:55 pm EST

Good play by CAREY there....

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:55 pm EST

TIE SCORE!!! OOHHHHHHH BABAYY!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:55 pm EST

My Eyes hurt looking at AV's outfit! Paisley, stripes, solids and polka dots! Have to credit coaching staff for making adjustments. Staal looks great as the D Pairs look better. Smith had a terrible 1st

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:54 pm EST

RF4L - nope, dropped to 4th line...

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:54 pm EST

reversal from the 1st..Rangers winning the race to the puck almost every time

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:53 pm EST

Soooo...chytil benched again?

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:52 pm EST

I don't care who's doing it, good to see some hitting..keeps the passion flowing

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:50 pm EST

SCORE! Pour it on boys, Pour it on!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:49 pm EST

Good to see the The Rangers and their coach elevate the play and effort this period..Keep it up

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:42 pm EST

ZBAD can play on the PP! Leafs taking page from the Rangers book this period...Good hit JT..Way to show some leadership!!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:40 pm EST

Holy crap can Z shoot.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:39 pm EST

Yeahhhhhh babay ZBADDDDDDDD!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:39 pm EST

Good job by the Rookie there.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:37 pm EST

Hospo, don’t get me wrong. Defense is not good, but you need your goaltender to make a save, when it matters. We can blame AV for everything, but I want someone to recall a game in the 2nd half last season or in 2nd round where Hankie stole the game. I don’t remember anyone complaining first quarter in last season when team cought fire and Hank played great. Then Hank became a shampoo boy pretending to be a King, Stepan got cold and Rangers were getting killed every game. He got better and they started to win again. First round Hank was good, but in 2nd round, he was again letting soft goals in. I love Hank and he might be the greatest home grown Ranger ever, when it’s all said and done. That’s said, unfortunately looks like we might be seeing Hanks rapid declining.

Andrei


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:34 pm EST

good shift there...they can't defend tonight..so the only option is to fight for and hold the puck..

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:33 pm EST

Why do the ranger centers keep getting thrown out of the face off

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:33 pm EST

ZUC, you really need to score there.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:30 pm EST

nah nah nah nah......hey hey hey goodbye! If you can't coach your team to be ready, you don't belong!!!!

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:30 pm EST

Does anybody take the body. Everybody reaches with the stick. And they stop moving their feet.

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:29 pm EST

Hank has looked lethargic. He isn't tracking pucks. Over the last two games its too soon to raise red flags but... he needs to get his game going.

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:29 pm EST

Toronto is the real deal this year. We are in LA LA LAND

rangerlou


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:29 pm EST

At least chytl not benched..only 4th-lined...chytl-desharnai-Carey?? Great line combo..Av a genius.

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:28 pm EST

That was a RIDICULOUS DIVE!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:28 pm EST

Why no timeout in the first assvipe?

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:27 pm EST

Staal-McDonagh... Awesome! Oh, the career Ryan McDonagh could have had!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:27 pm EST

Accomplished

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:27 pm EST

Hanky accompliced the same feat 11 years ago against guess who , the same laffs... 5 goals in the 1st period

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:26 pm EST

Nash sucks

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:25 pm EST

Pavelec is looking sharp :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:24 pm EST

AV panicking!!! Hope his a......gets fired

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:22 pm EST

Thank god

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:19 pm EST

BTW...$8,500,000 for the next 4 years. Altogether now: SATHER SUCKS!!

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:18 pm EST

L-O-T-T-E-R-Y led by a goalie with a save % below 85.

Bob


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:16 pm EST

Alex Ovechkin has 6 goals in 2 periods of play. He decided to show up early this year. Maybe he's also in shape for a change?

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:13 pm EST

Kis - Yes, the king has been a little weak..but it's been an onslaught and shooting gallery since the drop of the puck...pathetic...

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:11 pm EST

Kis - exactly..Hell..maybe we'll see a 9-7 games if the Rangers show any heart and guts

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:11 pm EST

Hospo. King has been weak. U can’t keep giving up goals short side.

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:10 pm EST

Fake hockey! Sad! No covfefe at all! Christ ... for how many more years does Hank make $170,000 per week? Of course he can do no wrong; he can only BE wronged. But the squad blows so far obviously. 80 games left though.

Nick


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:10 pm EST

Hospo. Totally agree. This hockey sucks. This is played like an all star game

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:09 pm EST

Andrei - all 5 goals are the fault of the apathetic pansy ass Ranger D and forwards being wussbags and getting beat all over the ice..SHow some freaking effort and guts...Love that supercharged 4th line to change mo....Del Angelo and CHytyl has zero clue how to play the game defensively..

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:08 pm EST

We may not even make the play-offs this year and our coach will not see the end of the season. And I'm not even in panic mode.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:07 pm EST

Anyone want to bring up all the turnover we had in the offseason? Completely new defense? Need time to gel? No? ....Carry on.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:06 pm EST

RF73 _ did AV say that? Funny, that's when the Rangers and AV have been the best in the past two years and choking down the last few months

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:05 pm EST

Anyone who has watched the rangers knows that AV is done! Hank is getting on and we have some issues but the coach bares the responsibility of getting the team ready. They CLEARLY aren't ready

rngrsans


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:05 pm EST

Hanks horror show continues. Last three goals are 100% on Hank, so was the 3rd goal last game. Too far out on a 3rd goal. Stupid positioning on the 4th goal where he was flapping on ice and never got positioned prior to goal going in and last goal going down too early like he is getting ready to blow someone. It will be a very long season if Hanky is pretending to be a king. Defense aside, he needs to make the save, just like against Ottawa, where he let the soft goal in every game...

Andrei


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:05 pm EST

Good Screen by Kreider at least...BTW, This new NHL blows

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:03 pm EST

I'm having flashbacks of the good ole days.....

Barto


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:02 pm EST

No need to worry… According to anal V nothing really counts for the first 10 or 20 games… Five goals on 17 shots… Good warm-up

rf73


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:02 pm EST

Way to have your team ready AGAIN AV..But they played a good game the other night! My ass... To me, just a continuation of the loose play and break downs at ES agasint the AVs....but so much worse...apathy team wide...losing every race and battle for the puck.....Forwards playing horrible defense and positioning....leaving the Defense totally helpless...Del ANgelo..Get him outta here...3rd pair a disaster with Staal being useless also..Smith..Shattenkirk..both putrid..need to do something to try and change momentum..I know, throw out Paul Carey to knock some heads!!

Hospo


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:01 pm EST

So many turn overs.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:01 pm EST

Wow is this a bad team. Nobody is physical. The king is done. Chytl needs to go back. Deangelo is no good at all. Wow how did he and Carey make this team ? Nobody is defensive minded Then to make matters worse the team thinks and moves slow. It Miller is the only one playing. Av needs to be gone and ruff is not the answer

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:00 pm EST

Turn over, after turn over. No leadership. I agree, AV is a f*/ckin Idiot!!

hipcheck


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:00 pm EST

My wife just said: "Too bad you don't drink! You'd feel a lot better!

ColoradoMark


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:59 pm EST

Puuuullllleeeeaaazzzeeee someone throw in the towel

rangerlou


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:59 pm EST

We need to score a few, I would hate to see a 10-1 loss.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:58 pm EST

Should have pulled Hank at 3-1 maybe it would of woke the team up but we will never know

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:57 pm EST

AV is an idiot.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:57 pm EST

This is painful.

Wiosa


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:56 pm EST

I didn't think this could get worse but I was wrong

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:56 pm EST

My God!

hipcheck


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:56 pm EST

No, Hank deserves his fair share of the blame.

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:52 pm EST

Wow, this is bad.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:52 pm EST

4-1 might as well be 10-1. Rangers just not ready to compete. Leafs at another level of intensity.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:51 pm EST

FiRE AV!

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:51 pm EST

This is ugly

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:51 pm EST

Lundqvist isn't tracking the puck well at all. And the defense is doo-doo

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:49 pm EST

Boys are looking like garbage.

hipcheck


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:48 pm EST

Not the king's fault.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:48 pm EST

Bye bye Rangers.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:47 pm EST

Time to pull Hank

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:44 pm EST

This is not going to be a good team. Nobody plays d on this team.

kis


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:42 pm EST

Nice save by Alternate Captain Kirk!

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:41 pm EST

Rangers better wake the F up

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:37 pm EST

And anyone who if there was a choice Babcock or AV wouldn't select the former...well...just lololololol.

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:35 pm EST

Oh oh DeAngelo!!

Rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:29 pm EST

JT Miller with the tying goal

tlats


Sat Oct 7 2017 6:18 pm EST

Babcock? Really....so AV sucks because after a couple deep runs he has a couple years of early exits.....Babcock hasn't taken a team past the 2nd round 2009-2010....meanwhile in th same stretch AV has been past the 2nd round 3 times. But by al means...lets get the guy who hasn't got it done at the same rate as the guy who is behind the bench....

Wildcard


Sat Oct 7 2017 12:33 pm EST

Can we trade AV for Babcock?

mf


Sat Oct 7 2017 12:14 pm EST

I don't know...Young talented team in front of home crowd with the Rangers in town...I say the Laughs come out flying...If Hank is still getting ready for the season we could be in trouble early...

PJ


Sat Oct 7 2017 12:02 pm EST

I wouldn’t worry if there is a storm to weather. TO is just as likely to have the same issue as any team at the start of the season. Just as the New York Rangers are trying to forge their identity. Besides, if TO has themeselves dialed in you’d be surprised at how that forces your team into to cohesion. Remember, that as a counter punching team the New York Rangers are very dangerous. They are one of the fastest, if not the fastest team in the NHL. They can really make you pay for being overzealous on the attack.

E


Sat Oct 7 2017 10:18 am EST

Have to weather the storm at the beginning of the game tonight....Get through the first 10 minutes and go from there....Scoring first will be big...I don't compare the AVS and Leafs as the Rangers always find a way to play down or up to their competition....

PJ


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:55 am EST

Rhet, on knicks fans...no choice especially when the Garden makes you pay for your season tickets before they make their off season moves? Am I right? Doubt you can get a refund.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 9:53 am EST

Stevie, I am seeing triplicate! Guess I will read the one in the middle. Big test tonight. Don't know about anyone else but I can see this team starting 1-3 or 1-4. TO should be a hell of a lot tougher team than the Avs.

NYStranger


Sat Oct 7 2017 8:11 am EST

Oops...5 4. MOre good news: Gropp scored and Graves had an assist.

rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:58 am EST

Vic: A 3 2 loss is hugely better than many of the pathetic outcomes of Pack games last year, that's for sure.

rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:58 am EST

TD: Re the BJs...I forgot about Milano and Dubois - both made the team and both scored last night. If both are legitimate then I retract my statement. Riches do indeed abound in Columbus, as they should after so many years of floundering at the bottom of the league.

rf4l


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:54 am EST

The Pack blew a two goal lead in the 3rd period of their opener last night. I guess it is an organizational issue...;-). Here are the links for the game summary (http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/pack-victimized-by-checker-comeback-in-opener) and box score (https://lscluster.hockeytech.com/game_reports/official-game-report.php?client_code=ahl&game_id=1017124&lang_id=1). GROPP scored his first professional goal. Anyone watch the game?

Vic


Sat Oct 7 2017 7:34 am EST

If you need a good laugh.... I give you Dan Girardi in a nutshell, Ladies and Gentlemen..... https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/916470540038049792

Rhet0ric


Sat Oct 7 2017 4:32 am EST

Rhet many owners in sports think that , and Msg is right in there. That’s the logic of the anal-lane veenyo checkmark....I’m surprised the gm basically admitted that....not sure jimmyboy is happy about that ...the Knicks need to rebuild, let’s see if their fans agree and are willing to pay for seats during it... it’s all about attendance...revenue....

Stevielegs


Sat Oct 7 2017 4:07 am EST

“If it’s a good opportunity and I’m in a good position, why not shoot?” Buchnevich asked and answered. “The coach tells us to shoot more often, so when I can, that’s what I’m going to do.” The difference in Buchnevich is noticeable to Vigneault, who has been championing the 22-year-old from Russia since the moment he arrived last year. But wait, isn’t this the coach who doesn’t like young guys? “I definitely think he played a strong game [in the opener],” Vigneault said. “He protected the puck well, made some plays five-on-five and on the power play. I would say [his health and experience] will make a difference, plus his skill set — the way he handles the puck head up high, the way he can move, the way he can pass it. “That skill set combined with the right work ethic, the right attitude and the right willpower on the ice, he should be able to make things happen. It was one game but it was a very positive game.”.....“If it’s a good opportunity and I’m in a good position, why not shoot?” Buchnevich asked and answered. “The coach tells us to shoot more often, so when I can, that’s what I’m going to do.” The difference in Buchnevich is noticeable to Vigneault, who has been championing the 22-year-old from Russia since the moment he arrived last year. But wait, isn’t this the coach who doesn’t like young guys? “I definitely think he played a strong game [in the opener],” Vigneault said. “He protected the puck well, made some plays five-on-five and on the power play. I would say [his health and experience] will make a difference, plus his skill set — the way he handles the puck head up high, the way he can move, the way he can pass it. “That skill set combined with the right work ethic, the right attitude and the right willpower on the ice, he should be able to make things happen. It was one game but it was a very positive game.”....“If it’s a good opportunity and I’m in a good position, why not shoot?” Buchnevich asked and answered. “The coach tells us to shoot more often, so when I can, that’s what I’m going to do.” The difference in Buchnevich is noticeable to Vigneault, who has been championing the 22-year-old from Russia since the moment he arrived last year. But wait, isn’t this the coach who doesn’t like young guys? “I definitely think he played a strong game [in the opener],” Vigneault said. “He protected the puck well, made some plays five-on-five and on the power play. I would say [his health and experience] will make a difference, plus his skill set — the way he handles the puck head up high, the way he can move, the way he can pass it. “That skill set combined with the right work ethic, the right attitude and the right willpower on the ice, he should be able to make things happen. It was one game but it was a very positive game.”......http://nypost.com/2017/10/07/rangers-young-forward-is-even-starting-to-impress-vigneault/

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:37 pm EST

It's not like the Knicks fans will have a choice.

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:44 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/knicks-gm-fans-will-be-ok-with-losing-as-long-as-team-fights-hard/

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:15 pm EST

"Vigneault said he’s considering mixing Chytil into the penalty-killing unit after some more practice work in order to take advantage of his skating and to increase his ice time.?" ... http://nypost.com/2017/10/06/what-rangers-filip-chytil-learned-from-his-first-nhl-game/

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 6 2017 4:11 pm EST

There go the Leafs. Addressing a gap. After Andersson they have very little in net. Their current backup is capable of playing 1 or 2 games here and there. Ask him to step in for 10 to 20 games due to an extended outage for Andersson and there's trouble. On the farm, it's not much better. Pickard is a better backup. Guess MacEhinny will be on waivers shortly.

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 4:08 pm EST

@SinBinVegas VGK has traded Calvin Pickard to Toronto for a 2018 6th round pick and Tobias Lindberg.

stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 3:27 pm EST

will try not to base anything on the 1st game of anal-lane veenyo's 82 game preseason. i'm sure hurtle was nervous and caught some jt jitters.....

stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 2:54 pm EST

HOSPO: I wouldn’t call it satisfaction l. I’d call it patience and experience. Just looking more or less what’s going right V’s. Wrong. I don’t have the same assessment re: Zib. I saw them trying to do that old cross redline stretch pass out of the defensive zone so Zib was up high a lot. Puck support could’ve been better for sure. But less visible things like Buch on the halfboards on the PP was controlling the puck very well and finding seams.

E


Fri Oct 6 2017 2:08 pm EST

MF - Not sure it's gonna be BUCH, but think the Rangers will eventuially have to trade a wing Plus more for a legitimate center......ARC/RF4L - Saw the same thing thing in CHYTL's skating but agree it was most likely a mental/hesitation type of thing because he skated much better in pre-season..It will improve with confidence (if AV allows him to get) but still think he belongs somewhere else...I just don't think the kid has the complete game yet for the NHL except for in the open ice (alot of PP).......E - Outside the PP and the FO circle, can't say Zib's proved much to me..A -2 with a really lazy defensive play also...........Man, the level of satisfaction on here with last night's play blows my mind..They were playing the AVs for christs sake..One of the worst teams in hockey... a perpetual odd man rush machine who's D takes chances out the yin yang--They gave the Rangers their chances...and they did nothing with them at ES....It's good the PP moved the PUck but, again, it was the Avs.....I was more concerned with the chances the Rangers gave up (team D) and that they were played evenly for a good part of the game (especially the 2nd period) in the O and D zones at ES...Hopefully there will be a big improvement for the Toronto game or they start off 0-2

Hospo


Fri Oct 6 2017 2:05 pm EST

I loved the look of the Power Play last night as well, but, to temper expectations a little, last year our Power Play was Lights Out at the beginning of the season.

ColoradoMark


Fri Oct 6 2017 1:12 pm EST

WILD... It was clearly time for G to go when the NYR bought him out, but I was happy to see him find another job on the NHL. That said, the Lightning were literally throwing away good money after the bad the NYR spent on him. You can tell it's early in the season.... BTW, Oscar Lindberg is also on the first line in Vegas :)

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:58 pm EST

TD: That's great, because I'm ready to package him (Buchnevich) and one of DeAngelo or Pionk (pickem) and whatever for a Center

mf


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:52 pm EST

td: Not seeing the game last night, I read a lot of good about Buch from all the twitter folks and beat writers. As for his defensive game, last year he always worked hard defensively, not always the right things, but hopefully that will come with time and practice. As long as he works hard I am OK with what we get as long as he continues to look good with the puck and offensively overall. IMHO thats good enough, I mean not everyone will be all that great defensively

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:50 pm EST

mf _ thought BUCHNEVICH was very good. Was dynamic on the PP. The kid is so incredibly good at puck possession that, once he's fully acclimated to the NA game, he's going to be lethal. I tell you what: The future is VERY bright with he and CHYTIL...defensively? Maybe mot so much. But he played a very good game yesterday.

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:47 pm EST

E: Full agreement, I didn't get to watch the entire game, just some highlights and a couple min per period (thanks NHL TV) and got to see 2 of the PP's. The puck movement was very good, not that the AVS have a great defensive game, or group, but the passes were crisp and on target 90% of the time, and the moment of the players without the puck was very good. Thats something they didn't do in the past, they were always way too stagnant. IF they keep moving around like that and moving the puck like that, they will keep getting PP goals and teams will have to be concerned about it. The PK I didn't see, but I imagine it will get a little better at least once they get into the swing of things.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:37 pm EST

You also have to like the way the PP was moving the puck. At the end of the day they looked rusty, disjointed at times. The PK was not inspiring. But opening night adrenaline. One thing is for certain. Zib is seriously out to prove you all wrong. “Stepan who??? I’m your Stepan now huckleberry...”

E


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:36 pm EST

Chytil: Last night he was being used at a pace for more than that. The first and the third (until after the halfway mark of the period)he was on a pace for about 10 minutes or so, not bad for a first ever regular season game. It was the 2nd period that he was not used in the odd man situations, and they had that stretch of what 4 minutes when they wee down a man or short but even....thats not a place many coaches use a kid in his first game. I think if the whistle blew less in the second he would have had more time overall, and the score dictated he play less in the 3rd. Its easy to say he should have played more, but situationally he got the time he should have. He was also playing nervous, and that makes sense being his first game and all, home opener, lots to be nervous about. So lets see how he looks now that its all out of the way, and he can start playing hockey without thinking about the extra stuff.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:31 pm EST

rf4l: Clearly they are having some issues with their numbers there!! LOL....Wish the Rangers could have a center that won more face-off than he took!!

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:30 pm EST

Anyone care to chime in with an assessment of BUCHNEVICH's play last night? t/y

mf


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:30 pm EST

If you had told me two years ago that 1. Oscar LINDBERG would be playing first line; 2. on the wing; and 3. in Las Vegas, I woulda said yo' cray cray...

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:10 pm EST

Rhet0ric - LOL! Man, I took a screen capture of that box score. Was the best part of the night, watching highlights of the Hawks absolutely manhandle that shitbag team. And NEIMI...wasn't someone here hoping we'd sign/trade for him?!? That guy is toast. 100 percent.

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:07 pm EST

_Arc - I've noticed CHYTIL looks a bit awkward too. But realize the guy put on something like 25 pounds since the draft. Still needs to grow into his body.

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:05 pm EST

RF4L - re: CAREY/CHYTIL, you also have to recognize that there were a slew of penalties and neither was on the PP. So in short, both probably would have had three or four minutes more of ice time...Now where I think the beef is justified is the PP. Why Chytil wasn't on it is beyond me. Then again, the PP looked REALLY good, so I can't complain much there...

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:52 am EST

Wild: It was on the sportsnet website. Showed 6 for 12. Then again, for another Yote center, it showed 13 for 8...DOH!

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:50 am EST

Vic - I can't speak for this year quite yet, but last year LETTIERI played exclusively on wing for the Pack.

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:48 am EST

NYStranger - TOTALLY disagree, re: CHYTIL. He earned his way onto this team. The guy was dynamic in camp. He is a special talent...and this is coming from someone who just three short months ago was kicking the cat over the Rangers drafting him instead of...well...just about everyone taken in the first two rounds...Feel-good PR move would have been keeping ANDERSSON over Chytil...and that's what I feared they'd do the most...Andersson was so green...just outmatched at both TCT and in camp...showed flashes of what he could be...but couldn't hack it with the tempo or the smaller ice...Chytil? Total opposite. Guy was threading no-look passes...demonstrated just a phenomenal awareness on the ice...I will admit he looked a bit lost last night, which is why I'm not going to jump on AV for not skating him very much...but I'm also not going to jump on this "send him back to Europe/Juniors" bandwagon. He belongs in NY. And when he gets comfortable, he'll get the minutes he needs to shine.

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:43 am EST

Few quick takes: Surprisingly, we all seem on the same page regarding the Rangers' play last night, save for maybe Hospo. I'm not sure if I have much to add...Hank needs to be better and should never...EVER...play the puck...ZIBANEJAD certainly looked impressive...playing CHYTIL 7 minutes is silly...I think SHATTY-McD had its ups and downs...certainly, they put the Rangers offense on steroids. But defensively...man...they got to remember where they are playing and that while offense is important, they've got to be better in their own zone. All in all, there's plenty of room for improvement, that's for sure. But there were plenty of good signs last night...PP looked incredible. Better than I think I've ever seen it...they were absolutely DOMINANT at faceoffs...and they pretty much spent long swaths of time in the Avalanche zone...the negatives? They still couldn't convert on some pretty golden chances...and as Vic says, they seemed to have a target painted on VARLAMOV'S chest(though I do think he played a phenomenal game)...the giveways...man...the giveaways. But one game does not make season. Sorry they lost it. But hey, there's only one direction from here...

tdchi


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:33 am EST

Rhet: I saw that. I can’t believe he is on the top pair. I am as big of a Giradi fan that there is but even I say he is a 3rd pair guy now who can step in with a top guy in big moments or to fill in a game or two. He is not a regular top 4 guy anymore let alone a top 2!

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:14 am EST

Anyone know who the guy on the right side playing top pairing minutes for the Lightning is? ....Per Bryan Burns‏Verified account @BBurnsNHL ...... #Bolts morning skate D-pairings see a bit of a change: Hedman-Girardi Sergachev-Stralman Coburn-Sustr Koekkoek-Dotchin

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:12 am EST

RF4L: Where are you getting your game info? Stepan was a lousy 6-18 (33%) he had a bad bad night. But a lot of guys do that when they goto a new team for the first time. I imitating he will end up with numbers that look much like his time with the Rangers.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:07 am EST

The question is: how many up-ice breaks tuned into nothing? Varlamov was the story last night. The New York Rangers had their own issues but Varalomov stole the win.

E


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:06 am EST

Okay, that was pretty funny... Jesse Spector‏Verified account @jessespector .... "Weirdly, here at Devils practice, the Penguins just gave up three more goals to Chicago."

Rhet0ric


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:05 am EST

ARC it’s you. Cheeto is a great skater. Very smooth. Gets wide and low. Looked a little overwhelmed last night. We will see.

E


Fri Oct 6 2017 11:03 am EST

Skinny Jeans outplayed but of course hard to do well after 10 days off....Got it.....DeAngelo a nightmare in his own end...Get Holden back in although I have PTSD thinking about him and Staal in the playoffs....Ava Gina handling of CHTYL not a surprise at all....Nash our new enforcer?...Missing Glass already...

PJ


Fri Oct 6 2017 10:52 am EST

The Players Tribune....Oct 5, 2017...KEVIN SHATTENKIRK DEFENSEMAN / NEW YORK RANGERS The texts started coming in around 12:30 pm. “Rangers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Fire emoji, fire emoji, fire emoji. I was sitting in my kitchen in Sag Harbor, New York. It was 30 minutes into the first day of free agency. A few teams had made me really good offers, and I had spent the whole morning trying to block out all the media and the texts and the noise so that I could make a decision. I mean, it’s not just a decision. It’s a life-changing decision. It was so tense that my parents didn’t even wanted to talk to me. They’d barely make eye contact, because they didn’t want to sway me. It’s funny — you spend your whole career thinking how awesome it’ll be when you finally get to be a free agent and you can choose where you want to go, and then the day finally comes and you’re sweating and pacing around trying not to look at Twitter. I don’t care what anybody says — it’s definitely overwhelming. So, you know, I was planning to take as much time as humanly possible before making the decision. Then at 12:30 p.m., my phone blew up. “Holy s*** welcome home man!” “MSG baby! Rangerssssssssss! Congrats dude!” “NYC! Let’s goooooooo bud!” Hockey stick emoji, Statue of Liberty emoji, Fire emoji. I thought, OK, that’s pretty weird. I pulled up my Twitter. Unlimited notifications. My heart sank. Someone had reported that I was signing with the Rangers. Then another person confirmed the report. Then everyone started retweeting it, and that was that. I was signing with the Rangers. The only problem was, I seriously hadn’t made a final decision yet. I don’t mean like, I hadn’t told the teams yet, or confirmed it to a reporter. I mean my own mom was sitting right there when the news broke, and she was looking at me like, Wait, what? I just went in the other room to get a juice! I can laugh about it now, but the next 30 minutes were the most surreal and tense 30 minutes of my life. You have to understand how complicated this stuff is — not just for the player, but for their whole family. From the time I was five years old tearing around the little studio rink at Rye Playland, I dreamed about wearing a New York Rangers sweater with SHATTENKIRK on the back. I watched the ’94 Stanley Cup Parade in awe. Brian Leetch was my hero. When I was 10 and I started playing for the New Jersey Youth Devils, it stung a little bit the first time I pulled on that red and black sweater. I always wanted to be a Ranger. But some other teams had made great offers, too. Some of the deals had longer terms, some were a little more money. If I thought about any of the options for long enough, I could convince myself it was the best fit. I wanted to be 100% sure. And then, out of nowhere, my phone blew up. My first thought was, Of course. This would totally happen to me. PHOTO BY SCOTT ROVAK/NHLI/GETTY IMAGES The first time I was traded, my rookie year in Colorado, the hotel room phone rang at 11:30 at night. We were on the road in San Jose, and my roommate was David Koci. What you have to understand about David is, he was an enforcer, and enforcers tend to take their routines seriously the night before a game. David took his routine extremely seriously. At 9:30, it was lights out. No TV. No cellphones. At 9:30, it was bed time. If you were a dumb rookie (me) and you wanted to hang out for a while, you had to go to somebody else’s room. So I’d go chill with Ryan O’Reilly, Chris Stewart and Brandon Yip and watch TV until 11, then I’d come tip-toeing back into our room and try to slide under the covers like a ninja. I remember I was just drifting off to sleep when the phone rang. That heavy ring. That hotel room phone ring. David pops up and grabs the phone, and he’s already looking at me like, Are you serious, kid? Who’s calling you? Then he answers and he’s like, “Oh, it’s the GM. He wants to talk to you.” Our GM, Greg Sherman, told me that he wanted to meet me downstairs. Kind of ominous, you know? I remember I had only packed a pair of shorts to sleep in since it was a quick one-day trip to San Jose, so I walked down to the lobby in my gameday suit like I was going to a funeral. I honestly thought they were just sending me down to the minors. Then we sat down and Greg told me that I had been traded to St. Louis. I was completely blindsided. No idea it was coming. I couldn’t even really process it. I went back up to the room and tried to pack up my stuff as quietly as possible. By 4 a.m., I was in a car to the airport so I could fly to St. Louis and play that night. My cousin and her husband lived in Menlo Park and they were supposed to come watch me play in the NHL for the first time that night, and I had to leave them a voicemail saying, “Yeah, uh … don’t show up to the arena tonight. I’m playing for St. Louis now.” It was a good lesson. That’s the NHL. You really never know. For the next seven years, St. Louis was my home. I can’t say enough about the Blues organization and the community and what an incredible hockey culture they’ve built down there. Having guys like Brett Hull, Al MacInnis, Bernie Federko and Peter Stastny around all the time, it’s amazing just being able to have a chat with them about hockey or about life. I felt incredibly lucky to have landed in St. Louis, of all the places I could’ve gone. PHOTO BY DILIP VISHWANAT/NHLI/GETTY IMAGES That 2016 team was probably the closest hockey team I have ever been a part of. To make it to the Western Conference Finals … to get so close, with that group of guys … it was really heartbreaking, not just for us, but for the city. A lot of the season ticket holders have been going for 50 years, and you can really feel that in the fanbase. They want a Stanley Cup there more than they want another World Series. Obviously, I knew that after that season, a deal was coming. I was almost traded during the summer, and then when that didn’t happen, I knew I was definitely going before the deadline. And I give a ton of credit to the organization for how they handled it. They were really upfront with me the whole time. As a player, all you want is honesty. I pulled up my Twitter. Unlimited notifications. My heart sank. When I got the call that I was headed to the Capitals, I was really happy to be going to a contender. But I’d be lying if I said it was just business. Packing up your life and leaving your friends at the snap of a finger is pretty brutal. Just to show you what kind of team we had, I went to Alex Steen’s wedding this summer in Sweden, and there were 13 or 14 guys from the Blues who came. Guys were spread out all over the world during their vacation and so many still came out. I think that says a lot about the group that we had there. It’s hard to keep the gang together in this league now, but we’ll be staying in touch for a long time. I would like to think that my lasting legacy in St. Louis, along with the great Chris Stewart, is forcing Vlady Tarasenko to order his dinners in English at restaurants. We knew that he could totally speak English because we were with him all the time, but he’d get embarrassed when we were in public and he’d say, “No, no. Can’t. Please, guys.” So we used to take the dinner menus from him so he couldn’t just point at what he wanted. And look at him now. He’s doing sick 2,000 word articles in English. He’s the best. When I got to Washington, I knew the mission. Nobody even had to say anything. It’s Stanley Cup or nothing. Everybody on the team knew the stakes going into the playoffs. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I’m not going to pretend to feel the same feelings that guys who have been there forever, like Ovi and Backstrom and Holtby felt. I was only there for a few months. But I mean … when we lost to Pittsburgh, I was crushed. It wasn’t just losing, it was the way we lost. We dominated a lot of those games, but the Penguins were so opportunistic. What can you say? They played like Stanley Cup champions. They got it done. It was an incredibly hard lesson, but a really valuable one for me. You see what it takes to get to the top of the mountain, first-hand. On July 1, when I was sitting in my house trying to make a decision, all of this stuff was going through my mind. I was thinking about the feeling of getting traded in Colorado, the feeling of coming to St. Louis and finding a home, the feeling of sitting in the locker room after losing a playoff series, the feeling of skating out at warmups at MSG and looking up at that iconic ceiling … … Term length, base salary, rosters, GMs, cities … My mind was racing. Ultimately though, everything came back to one thought. When I was six years old, my mite coach, Steve Lapore, moved me from forward back to defense, and the first question I asked him was, “Can I still score goals?” He was a massive Rangers fan, so he said, “You know what I want you to do? Go home and watch the Rangers, and keep your eyes locked on number 2 in blue. Then come back next practice and tell me if you can still score goals.” So I went home and watched number 2 in blue skate circles around everybody. The next practice, Coach Lapore skated up to me and said, “You watch?” I said, “Yep.” He said, “See? As long as you keep pucks out of your own net, you can do whatever you want out there.” From that day on, Brian Leetch was my guy. I wanted to be him. I wanted to be a New York Ranger. But you have to remember, back in the ’90s, it was still pretty rare for kids from the area to make it to the NHL. It was still all Canada, Russia, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, maybe Massachusetts. If you were a New York kid, saying you wanted to be a Ranger when you grew up was like saying you wanted to be an astronaut. So as my phone was blowing up, I took a walk outside with my fiancée to clear my head and I thought about Coach Lapore and those days, and then I looked at her and said, “I want to be a Ranger.” You know what? I want to be an astronaut. PHOTO BY BILL KOSTROUN/AP IMAGES A couple weeks ago, I went to my parent’s house after doing some stuff for media day. The team had given me my Rangers sweater that day, but with the whirlwind of taking photos and doing interviews and everything, I couldn’t really process it. So when I got to my parents’ house, I put all my stuff down in their living room, and I went to grab a water from the kitchen, and when I came back, it hit me. I saw the blue Rangers sweater laid out across the back of the couch. The iconic red and white block letters. SHATTENKIRK. Goosebumps, man. Just goosebumps. KEVIN SHATTENKIRK / CONTRIBUTOR

RF73


Fri Oct 6 2017 10:10 am EST

RF- I think Raanta is injured, they didn't want to rush him back for the opener.

ColoradoMark


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:25 am EST

Arc: Chytil can skate - saw in pre-season and saw it in that rookie tourney in July. I suspect it's simply a matter of him not being mentally ready for the pros. The tempo and intensity of a pre-season game vs regular season is like night and day and he no doubt felt a tad overwhelmed yesterday at times. Of course, parking his butt at the end of the bench for most of the night will do nothing to rectify that issue. It's beyond obvious and was to me when I watched him get hit in those 2 games against the Flyers: This kid is not ready and should not be in the NHL. Clearly, AV thought the same thing last night. The sooner this silly experiment ends the better. Idiotic.

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:22 am EST

JJ marveling over McDavid after watching the latter score 3 goals against the Flames opening night. It's interesting how he openly talks about how players cannot be hooked and held like in the past, making it better for someone like McDavid. http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/jagr-mcdavid-is-just-too-good-man~1225239

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:19 am EST

Is it me or does Chytil *** look*** awful skating. I mean Kevin Stevens like stride , always looking like he's about to fall over on himself. I thought skating was supposed to be the kids forte???? I dunno he just looked slow out there for me. I agree with RF that he needs to be sent down and so does this stiff Carey. Liters earned a spot one the team and I think he helps this team today if he's called up. But AvaGina and his vetlove wins the day. What the Hell did Nasher do all night yesterday to be double shifted???? Yeah he stole the puck once but he was pretty invisible most of the night. What a waste of $6mil!!!!

_Arc


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:17 am EST

Interesting that the Pack do list VINNI as a Center....

Vic


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:03 am EST

RF4L: Yep, both the decisions around MILLER/CHEETOS/CAREY/VINNI all were very questionable at the time, and even more so now. And yes, I hate the way he uses the preseason (or should I say Doesn't Use the preseason) to get his team ready.

Vic


Fri Oct 6 2017 8:01 am EST

Interesting that despite the much heralded off-season acquisition of Raanta, the Yotes in their opening game used Domingue. Stepan BTW, 0-0-0 and nearly 20 minutes of icetime. He was 6 for 12 in the FO circle, however.

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:54 am EST

Vic: AV routinely wastes the entire pre-season by keeping so many players up for so long, then stating after a lousy opening night that his team needs 10 to 20 games to gel. DOH!

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:30 am EST

Vic: I said it when the final cuts were announced and will say it again: Why is Carey on the team? AV's opinion of him was reflected in last night's icetime he was granted: Even less than Chytil's. WTF. I realize management's love of continually trading away draft picks has made it difficult to adequately stock their farm team but are the pickings that slim? If so, why didn't they do as TD urged and picked up someone like Rychel off the waiver wire last week? First game in and the 18 year and career AHLer are already experiencing extended bench time. Of course, to some of us it comes as no surprise but that doesn't make it logical. In fact, quite the opposite - if we could see it why the hell even bother trying it? Perplexing and stupid.

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:21 am EST

"I was drunk 75% of the times I played", Jere Karalathi on his time in Nashville. "I was often so wasted that I couldn't turn on the ice." He also explains how he could pass the drug tests in LA, he became friends and started partying with the doping inspectors, "They called me and told I could drink beers during a few days". http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/a/VWJv6/karalahti-om-sin-tid-i-nhl-jag-var-full-75-procent-av-tiden You can take away a lot of things from that, but I can't help but to think about what a great player he was. You need a good margin to be able to play in the NHL while being completely wasted... But what a tragedy.

Ola


Fri Oct 6 2017 7:02 am EST

Does anyone watch the Pack games and pay attention to what is going on there? The reason I ask is I'm wondering where they are playing LETTIERI? Is he playing Center with the pack or wing? As I thought about the game last night and early this morning I was wondering what the Rangers plan for CHEETOS really was. Originally I thought they planned to keep him here the entire year. But after the way he was handled last night against arguably one of the worst teams in the league it had me wondering if his stay with the Rangers might not last even 10 games. Maybe this was all just a marketing ploy and a gesture to the fans/media that the Rangers are drafting 1st round talent again. So if the plan all along was to send him back when FAST comes back they need to find a 4th line Center. I don't think it would even be considered for a second based on AV's dislike for the idea, but if they move MILLER to Center at that point I think my head really will explode. If they move MILLER to Center after wasting the entire preseason when they should have been playing him there every game (getting him used to playing the position and familiar with line-mates) they should all be fired immediately. So assuming that move isn't going to happen, who plays Center? Can't be CAREY. Can't be. Nothing against the guy but you can see he is an AHL level player. He offers little to nothing at the NHL level. So, could the plan be to bring back LETTEIRI in that roll with CAREY as a Black Ace? I stand by my assessment of LETTEIRI that he was the best Ranger on the ice in those preseason games.

Vic


Fri Oct 6 2017 6:59 am EST

Yes wild, whatever. Bottom line is it's the first game against last year's worse team and the 3rd line 18 year old center gets a confidence boosting 7 minutes of icetime. Ridiculous and indefensible, unless you're an all things Ranger stroker - then of course it's an astute move by an astute coach who's brilliance is like a beacon of hope on a dark stormy night.

rf4l


Fri Oct 6 2017 6:36 am EST

RF4L: I just love it when you make stuff up. It’s amazing, and all for the purpose of ripping AV this time. Chytil has an ice time break down as follows. 3:01 in the first. 2:45 in the second and 1:54 in the third. His shifts were evenly spaced in the 1st and 2nd and then spaced evenly in the 3rd until his last shift with 9 or so minutes left. So in what fantasy land did you find he played 5 minutes in the 1st and then get “benched” ? I mean this is good stuff your imagination has come up with.

Wildcard


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:28 am EST

Doug weight on Tavares..."Q: What was he like when he stayed at your house as a rookie? A: He was quiet at first, and then he liked being around the kids. We’d be watching a game and he’d make me pause it and talk about, “We’re playing them next week.” And I’m 37, and I’m like, “Johnny, I just want to watch the game, all right?” I loosened him up, I hope, a little. It was great for our family. My kids, they still love John. He was there two years, and I hope it helped him being 18, being able to have home-cooked meals, having that family atmosphere.".... maybe hurdle needs that ...

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:25 am EST

“I think the biggest thing when you haven’t played for 10 days,” Lundqvist said, “you just try to go out there and build your game.”

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:23 am EST

“Best player on the ice was their goaltender,” Rangers coach Alain Vigneault said. “He played a great game, made some big saves.”.... while hanky hadn't played in a game in 10 days.... and it showed....

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:19 am EST

"Coach Alain Vigneault knew the Rangers would be a little unsettled, mentioning on Wednesday that it would take “10 to 20 games” to sort out roles and the roster. That timeline may have to be shortened.".... more like 60-82 with him and his mooferator.... and his excuserator....here comes the anal bus....

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:13 am EST

"The Rangers lost, 4-2, but Shattenkirk was exactly as advertised on Opening Night — a formidable power-play quarterback whose mobility and production gave the Rangers the spark they needed to overcome a two-goal first-period deficit. (He also was on the ice for two of the Avalanche’s goals, a trade-off that some worried about when the Rangers signed him during the summer.)"

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:10 am EST

"With his ice-time reduced by a lot of special teams play and then by the need to score the tying goal in the third period, Chytil was limited to 7:40, 11 shifts and was 1 for 5 on faceoffs. He was a minus 1 for the night."... put him as 4th center move dayjarnay up ... he looks like a Marty St. Louis version..... making 2 smurfs and a stiff line.... anal veenyo gave hurdle the rookie treatment.... more than likely he's gone by game 10 , but you never know if something will click in his head to understand this is the NHL ....

Stevielegs


Fri Oct 6 2017 5:06 am EST

Watching goals from Hawks blowout- Pat Kane is just playing a different game than everyone else out there. Insane hands, spin-o-ramas. Absolutely sick.

PUCKYOU


Fri Oct 6 2017 12:23 am EST

Chytil looks like a true NYR already ... alone in the slot and passing.

Nick


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:23 pm EST

CoMark...Achy Til. LOLOLOL....Achy til he gets farmed out! LOLOL...

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:19 pm EST

Chytil- gonna take autocorrect a while to learn that one.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:19 pm EST

If achy til had shot instead of passing to Zuc in the 1st I think a lot would have been different. He should have played more, and if AV thinks he was protecting him, then they made a big mistake keeping him. Hopefully he gets a few more chances to play a regular shift in the next few games.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:15 pm EST

NYSTRANGER - same here..Everything I say about the Rangers is in the context of can they compete for the CUp..not play hard and make the POs! Tonight did nothing to change my mind on the biggest weaknesses on the team---CENTER and the coach...Some hitting at home on opening night would have been nice also..but...whistle to whistle baby!!!.

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:14 pm EST

Wow...Kessel fought Hartman! LOL...

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:14 pm EST

10 1 Hawks over Penguins. Ryan Reeves needs to score a few goals!

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:12 pm EST

CoMark: LOL...all true. Lots could change. For me, the biggest beef is the immediate (mis)handling of Chytil.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:08 pm EST

Look I am not doom and gloom here. I think the Rangers will ultimately send Chityl down after the allowed 9. Which is where he belongs. I also don't think this team will suck IF LUNDQVIST can keep his save percentage above .900. If not, we will be in for a long season.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:05 pm EST

Well, the season is obviously over already. We are done, Sonis Pittsburgh, Ovie and McDavid are the scoring champs. Come on, last year we dominated the first 20 games and it was smoke and mirrors. Stupid pre-season schedule ending with 8 days off before 1st game. I expected an uneven first game. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get ready for Varlamov's Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony. Whatever accolades you heard from Tweedle Dum, multiply that by 100 and you have the Av's announcers!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:03 pm EST

Hospo I said to you a couple of weeks ago, other than some sort of dumpster dive the Rangers will not trade for a center. MAYBE they would make a stupid deal at the deadline in a desperate situation, but not until then and by that point it may be too late. JMO of course but history has shown that very few moves are made during the season until the trade deadline.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:01 pm EST

NYStranger: Gawd I hope you're wrong. AV is notoriously hard on young players and he gives not 2 craps that this is an 18 year boy who's confidence is likely easy to tear apart. Of course, the gonad-less NY media would never ask AV 'aren't you worried about ruining this kid's confidence by benching him 30 minutes into his first NHL game?'. Because that's what that phucker did. Chytil had 5 minutes of icetime in the first and ended up with 7 minutes for the game. 2 freakin' minutes of icetime after the first. WTF. Idiotic.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:59 pm EST

If you are the opponent, who on the Rangers really scare you? And Lundqvist is not going to stand on his head many games at this point. Breathe...gotta give it at least 10-15 games...

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:55 pm EST

NYSTRANGER - That's how I saw it for this year! But I'm still waiting for that trade that everybody said was coming

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:54 pm EST

RF4L—Yes you are right.....that will NEVER happen!

Bob


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:53 pm EST

I really think this CHYTL move is a typical Rangers feel good PR move to try and cover up the obvious fact that all they did in the off-season was replace STEPAN and LINDBURGER with DAY R NAIS

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:51 pm EST

RF4L - You are far from the only one with that opinion on Chytl...If you refuse to play him agasint COLORADO?? what happens if TOR goes uo a goal or teo? same thing? Bad way to start...You picked him for the team as the 3rd C--Play him..

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:50 pm EST

Hospo, make that 9-1 half way thru the 3rd

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:50 pm EST

VIC: Absolutely that they should play the kid otherwise AV is giving him conflicting signals. Chytil should have gotten 12+ minutes, reconfigure your lines and play him on the 4th with Vesey & swing Carey to the other wing... What pisses me off with this team is that they can play their fast uptempo style throughout the line-up AND be physically aggressive but they don't... Cup vs No Cup

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:48 pm EST

on the bright side, the Penguins followed last nights loss by getting shellacked by CHicago 8-1 tonight!!

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:48 pm EST

A bunch of games like this and AV will start hearing barking from behind him...Ruff Ruff

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:47 pm EST

Rangers don't score on glorious chances because they rarely are in the right position to score on those chances. They are almost always somewhere to the outside when taking the shot. They also rarely really blast it. Look how hard Z's goals where shot. Coincidence? And don't get me started on their lack of point shots with men in front screening the goalie.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:47 pm EST

Hank needs to play tomorrow.... Henrik Lundqvist met with the media following the Rangers loss and said (NYR Game Notes): On whether it was difficult for him to get comfortable early with all the emotion in the building…"No, I think the biggest thing when you haven't played for 10 days, you just try to go out there and build your game. We talked about going into this game that their strength is their speed and transition game. Looking at the result here and what happened, I think that's where they really hurt us - in the odd-man rushes when their D jumped in almost every time to make it a 3-on-2 or 4-on-3. Other than that, I thought we played really well, good energy, we created a lot. In the third, we definitely had our chances to tie this game up." On whether he thought it was only a matter of time before the team scored their next goal with all the chances tonight…"Well you never know, but obviously you try to stay position there. Going into the third, we had a good feeling. I thought we played in a way that we didn't have to take chances. We knew that going into the third we were good enough to create good chances from the way we were playing and using our system. Then we came up with three, four really big chances in the third; we just didn't cash in on those." On the disappointment from losing the opener…"Of course you want to start the season the right way, starting with a win. I think we did a lot of good things - things that we should bring for the next game and really build on. The result was not what we were looking for, but a lot of good things to build on."

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:47 pm EST

Vic: Re Chytil. Exactly. Just stupid-ass disconnect crap we've seen before with 18 year olds. Play him. Either with the big club or elsewhere. Benching him does what exactly for his development besides erode his confidence. Pure stupidity but we've seen that movie with this organization before. And yes, before the all things Rangers strokers start ripping me for it being 1 game I realize that and I will gladly retract this if/when it changes in the next game(s). If it doesn't however, a 'yes you were right' would be appropriate, although I know that will NEVER happen.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:45 pm EST

RHET _ Too early to tell, especially if a Wing gets traded for a center--which isn't out of the question seeing what we have

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:43 pm EST

Don't think he's the next TGO the Ranger annoucers were were making him out to be after two PP goals but still.thought ZBAD had a pretty decent game..outside the PP BS... liked his FO and Positioning in the offensive zone that got him chances,,...OTOH he made a horrible play on the key 3rd Avs goals..and he and his line was a -2 on the night...Miller-Hyes-Grabs pretty meh except for a shift late in the game

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:40 pm EST

What line would Lettieri play on the 4th? You don't bring the kid up to play on the 4th line. You already have Vesey there. I'm sure he'll be joined by Grabner once Fast comes back. Because, you know Quickie doesn't play the 4th line.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:32 pm EST

MF: If you are going to keep CHEETOS here for at least the first 10 games then you have to take a step back and give the kid some time to adjust. That was his first NHL game. What were people expecting? But I'll tell you this. Once the Rangers made the decision to put him on the roster they should have given him a regular shift. It does him or the team no good to play him very limited minutes. He isn't going to learn anything that way. He isn't going to get better. If you are going to do that then you should have sent him home instead of keeping him here.

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:27 pm EST

Wow...that piece of crap Anthony Duclair scored the first goal of the Coyotes season tonight. I thought this guy was a minor leaguer!!

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:25 pm EST

VIC: well, if they send Chytil home, let Carey play 4th line center , & bring up Vinny Boom Bots.... Vinny is an energy guy that doesn't stop moving his legs, and that fuckin Kreider 6'3" 230 lb wimp! knock someone on their g-d damn ass.... geezus-manishevitz!

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:22 pm EST

I wonder what Lindy Ruff thinks of this opening game....

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:20 pm EST

Vic: I didn't like that pairing from the moment it was announced. AV, however, likes it so we're gonna see it over and over and over and over again.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:20 pm EST

MF: I was thinking it several times tonight that I wish LETTIERI was up with the Rangers instead of CAREY. It isn't that CAREY played poorly. Actually, he almost didn't play at all. LETTIERI could actually help this team....

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:18 pm EST

Thank God the Ranger players didn't seem to want to hear any of the "they played so good but just couldn't score" bullshit these dick head announcers and schmucko coach AV are pedaling..They know they played bad against the WORST team in hockey..They didn't do squat at ES..Hopefully it fuels them to be ready and full of energy agasint Toronto on Saturday

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:18 pm EST

RF4L: I know it is early but that pairing worries me. As insane as it sounds I think I'd rather see McDONAGH with DeANGELO as it would make sure that McDOANGH stays home more and doesn't wander. Put SHATTENKIRK with SKJEI and put SMITH with STAAL.

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:17 pm EST

mf: That complaint we've been voicing for like...5 years now?

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:15 pm EST

when the Rangers are in front of the net they have to do a better job of screening the goalie. We made Varlomov look a lot better than need be, we had plenty of long shots with no one setting a screen, easy glove save.... Can FAST play center? Send Carey down and call up LETTIERI

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:15 pm EST

Hey coach....were you impressed with the way that BUCH didn't score on those 15 chances he had? He played great, didn't he?

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:14 pm EST

The much anticipated McD and Shittenkirk pairing a very sparkling -6 tonight. The rest of the D 0's.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:13 pm EST

There it is AV!!! "Both teams had some good looks." No kidding. The Rangers had about 100 of them tonight. Too bad you don't get any points for good looks.....

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:10 pm EST

STOP PRAISING VALARMSUCK!!! I'm watching the post game and I want to puke. He stood there while the Rangers hit him with the puck.

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:07 pm EST

As for individuals, I'm not going to really praise anyone although several were fine. The one guy on D who I thought had a putrid night was SMITH. This team better wake up fast or it will be chasing that 8th playoff spot all year. It won't get any easier on Saturday. You give Toronto the kind of chances the Rangers had tonight and they score 10 goals. The Rangers better tighten up things in their own end and start scoring on these chances.

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:07 pm EST

Chytil and career AHLer Carey 7 minutes each. Quickie cannot return soon enough so the latter can go back to where he belongs.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:02 pm EST

mf: Smith did, too. But edge-less play is AV play so don't hold your breath waiting for that to change.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:01 pm EST

Cannot gripe about the offensive changes generated by the Zibenajad line. He looked like a #1 center, and Buch played a good game. They sure had plenty of chances. .88 save percentage will hurt the Rangers every game, even when the other guy’s ends up lower tha the .95 it was tonight. I am afraid that Toronto will blow them out if numbers like this continue to be posted in the Rangers net. The Rangers generated more than enough chances to win in spite of Henrik’s mediocre performance. The D moves the puck a lot better, but also givers up some primo chan cues against. I guess that is to be expected.

Bob


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:01 pm EST

Wow..what a disgrace that was...other then the 1st period PP units, embarassing......Way to have them ready to play AV!! But, hey they bonded at Lake Placid!!!..Pretty much two undisciplined teams playing bad non physical hockey...! Neither CHYTL nor Del ANgelo belongs in the NHL..and CHYTL misued (not used)...Team decent in transition but not in the O/D zones .No one to really praise..way too many to criticize...And do these asshole Ranger announcers know who they played?? Do they realize they only scored PP goals and were pretty much played even by the Colorado Avalanche at ES??? Oh, but they had so many shots...please...Steve Valiquette has to be the biggest condescending douche I have ever heard

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:01 pm EST

INABILITY TO FINISH. That is all you need to know folks. It cost the Rangers the Cup against the Kings. It gets the Rangers bumped out of the playoffs every year. The Rangers dominated the game and had at least 20 maybe 25 high quality scoring chances and scored on NONE OF THEM. People piss and moan about the Centers on this team??? The Centers are fine. It is the damn wingers who can't score. JESUS CHRIST!!!! NASH, KREIDER, BUCH and GRABNER couldn't put the puck in the net if the goal was the size of a soccer goal. They would either hit the post or put the puck right into the goaltender. So damn frustrating.....

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:58 pm EST

Heat-ill needs to play not watch from the bench. Play him or send him down. Typical AV chain jerking.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:56 pm EST

Nash Zucc & Vesey seemed like the only Rangers that played with some edge

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:51 pm EST

Gonna start the season 0 and 2 now. Too loose in their own end - the Leafs will feast on that Saturday night.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:49 pm EST

Well that ices it. Not really surprised. Rangers looked a bit disjointed most of the game. Not enough preseason game time together? Bright spot was how they moved the puck on the PP.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:46 pm EST

Chytil 7 minutes of icetime. SEND HIM BACK NOW! Stupid stupid stupid. First game of the season for crying out loud.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:39 pm EST

Hot goalie night ?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:39 pm EST

Buch should have 1 timed that. Instead, he stopped it, then shot.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:38 pm EST

Louie DeBrusk's (remember him?) son Jake scored his first NHL goal for the Bruins tonight.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:31 pm EST

The better goalie this game is wearing the white jersey. Desharnais getting a lot more ice time than Chytil.

Bob


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:24 pm EST

Douche-shame is available

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:23 pm EST

Really like the look of the PP.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:21 pm EST

Nieto penalty hat trick

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:14 pm EST

Day-R-Nay will be the 3rd line center within the next 3 periods.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:13 pm EST

Chytil with just over 5 minutes of icetime so far - lowest for both teams. And this is the Colorado Avalanche. Send him back for crying out loud. Stupid decision.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:06 pm EST

That said, 2 consecutive cups and 4 periods into a new season....

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:04 pm EST

Ha...4 zip Chicago over Shitsburgh 14 minutes into the 1st period. Niemi in nets. Already pulled. The Penguins HUGE luxury of 2 number 1 goalies gone via the expansion draft. Less than 4 periods into the next season and they are already feeling the pain. That said, 13 Hawk shots and 5 Penguins shots.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:04 pm EST

Well TORONTO sans Horton & Lupul are $6.945 mill under the cap http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=TOR and DETROIT sans FRANZEN are now $208,000 below the cap http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=DET

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:56 pm EST

McD and Shittenkirk a collective -4 so far.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:55 pm EST

Is Kerfoot from Harvard ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:45 pm EST

Grabner firing the puck into the mid-section of the Aves goalie.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:45 pm EST

The refs are brutal.

E


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:44 pm EST

Can anyone deke or put some kind on move on the goalie? Or are they just going to keep shooting into his chest?

RDW


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:44 pm EST

Captain mcdoodie

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:42 pm EST

Someone needs to take out that Landeslob. Getting all tough with Nash then yipping away at McD after McD gets a high stick in his face. You suck.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:36 pm EST

mf: Agreed.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:36 pm EST

Lundqvist SUCKS with the puck, to the point where it's embarrassing.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:34 pm EST

Nash's helmet must stay on & where are the Rangers after Landeskog is 3rd man in?

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:31 pm EST

Zero offensive presence in the Aves end by the Rangers since I put the game on.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:26 pm EST

That should be goalie interference

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:23 pm EST

OMG wish Hank would stop playing the puck. Just stay in the crease.

wiosa


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:17 pm EST

Nys way too early for that but shatty is showing his pp prowess

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:17 pm EST

Z can shoot the puck for sure. The puck came off his stick so quickly on both goals. OMG, Z is on pace for 492 goals this year!!!!

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:14 pm EST

The 'Qvist needs to sharpen up. He looks a bit shaky out there. Thank goodness the Rangers figured out that you need to shoot to score. Noticed Heatyl was skipped a turn late or was that my imagination. Stevie: 2 PP goals in one period? Does that mean Ahkneel 'finally got that piano off his back'. One of the more annoying Dickaletti sayings...

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:12 pm EST

OMG, that first Aves goal was horrid. Shattenkirk looked like a forward inadvertantly stuck on defense there. Just bad. Not all on him - he had 2 forwards to deal with, not that he dealt with either very well; both were behind him. Dunno where McD was.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:09 pm EST

At 1 point in first faceoffs were 71% avs ended up nyr 52%

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:00 pm EST

Just turned it on to see Z's 2nd goal. What happened on the 2 Ave goals??

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:00 pm EST

2 pp goals in a row does that tie a record for ahkneel pp history?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:59 pm EST

That line is having fun and as long as CK plays as a Power Forward it's a great mix

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:58 pm EST

ZIBBY X2..WOW.

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:58 pm EST

Well a RHS pass to a RHS Shot on the PP.... Got to have 3 of one and 2 of the other configuration on the PP.... jmho snatcherally

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:58 pm EST

2 ZBAD

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:54 pm EST

ZIBBY....Thank G-d..I couldn't take all those passes anymore.

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:53 pm EST

Pp goal wow

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:44 pm EST

COMark: I wonder how many times ever all 6 D on a team are first rounders.....

Wildcard


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:43 pm EST

Was expecting a crappy 1st period after 8 days off, but this is ridiculous. Also, is this the first time all 6 Rangers D-Men are 1st round picks?

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:40 pm EST

mf: yeah hey has skill...but he is a lousy pro....and a baby...

Wildcard


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:37 pm EST

NYStranger- thanks, I'll look into it. The pregame stuff was the worst, they aren't bothering me as much right now, thankfully!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:31 pm EST

WildCard: what's with that scouting report & inside info? Doushy 1 - Rangers 0

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:29 pm EST

What Shatty D

Stepunmytoe


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:22 pm EST

I remember thinking Harry York was a real thing ... Todd Harvey ... Petr Smrek ... so I guess 1997 or so. Yikes. And here we are, hope springing eternal ... window still open a crack!

Nick


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:21 pm EST

Is their an NHL have a rule on how many A's can be in a game along with a Captain?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:15 pm EST

COMark: At least you get to watch...I live in Aurora, and refuse to pay for cable, so I don't get to watch the game....

Wildcard


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:12 pm EST

Happy Season Opener :) I go back to 1999 and the Red Bricks. I lurked on All-Sports and got to RFC from there.

DOUBLEN


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:10 pm EST

Anal veenyo

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:06 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1811347-ranking-the-5-greatest-rookie-seasons-in-new-york-rangers-history

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 6:02 pm EST

CMark wasn't there a way to switch your tv to listen to the spanish language broadcast for which there probably isn't any...so you just hear the crowd noise.

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:58 pm EST

I usually am so excited to watch the first game of the year, but I have to suffer through the worst broadcast team in the NHL, the Ava. I'd kill to listen to Dickaletti, whom I hate! Those who have never watched an Ava broadcast can't comprehend the level of bad these guys are.

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:52 pm EST

Dyslexia dysfunction...LRG? Ummmm LGR!!!

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:48 pm EST

So I started posting in 1997 (forgot about the red wall! Wow!) when my daughter was 1 and I just went by "Mark" at first, but there was some regular named Mark who wasn't happy about me stealing his Thunder. So as I was preparing for a move to Colorado from Wisconsin, I added Colorado to my moniker. I have never been a major poster, but have been in on many conversations over the years. My daughter is now 21 in her final year of college. Man the internet was like the Wild West back then, as "flaming" became a verb and a primary weapon for big men hiding behind anonymous keyboards. As much as we complain about the Rangers, the organization has been pretty damn competitive since the lockout. I'll take it, wouldn't want to be an Avs fan these past four years!

ColoradoMark


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:40 pm EST

Irving how did you get here? If you remember then you can find your way out. Don't let the door hit you in your ass on the way out. You'll get a concussion. Mooferator on that

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:30 pm EST

Going back to when I joined the Wall...nowhere near an old timer around here! Ha! But I remember first posting during the big firesale before the ’04 lockout. Then I lost my password info and didn't post again for a several years before I finally figured it out by guessing my password a bunch of times! Oh the fun...

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:26 pm EST

I'm up for it! Lol. Here's to a nice run this year! Don't have too much expectations but that is when the Rangers can surprise us.. who knows. Too many question marks and many will be answered shortly. LRG!

NYStranger


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:18 pm EST

HOSPO - not sure, but several of us have been here a LOOOOOONG time... Here is to another year of getting pissed off with all of you... LGR!

Gibbo


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:17 pm EST

WildCard: your boy Doushy is auditioning tonight

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:15 pm EST

Zuccarello earns an A on his jersey....About time

rangerlou


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:50 pm EST

Know I probably tell this story all the time, but my relationship with the Wall may date back to 1997, when the bricks were still red! Don't think I posted, but I distinctly remember procrastinating from writing a term paper for college by leafing through the posts. Think I happened into it after searching for Ranger info...back then, Allsports --the pre-Google years if you can imagine --was a great place to find scores/news about the Rangers. I know I was regularly posting here by 1998, because I distinctly remember being in a youth hostel in downtown London, hungover as fuck after drinking my face off and shacking up with a couple of teenage German girls the night before...and posting to college buddies about going to see a game, since we were flying back into NYC and the season had just gotten underway...48 hours, a missed plane right and one more hookup with said German girls, we were on a train bound for mid-town. Got tickets from a scalper for $20...Walked into the Garden with both of our backpacks after almost two months in Europe. I had three bottles of French wine and the ass-end of a Johnny Walker liter that made the journey from start to finish...plus an eighth of Northern Lights and a nice brick of blond hash jammed in a shampoo bottle. Only remember flashes of the night...the craptacular 0-0 tie...then back outside the Garden sawing through said shampoo bottle to light up that hash with a few college mates...then off to a bar to keep the gravy train running...got smashed, ended up getting a nice ride in the ladies room until a fucking POS bartender decided to evict us...man...what a night...but I ramble. Wall. Long time.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:36 pm EST

Leos - Awesome stuff man. Hopefully they give y'all some more fond memories. On a related note, my oldest daughter has watched the Rangers with me since birth and with passing fancy...She's four now and hasn't stopped reminding me about the hole I put in the living room wall with the remote last spring. Fortunately she wasn't born yet for the smashed-in door knob and badly-dented chest freezer that resulted from the Conference Finals loss to the Devils...

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:26 pm EST

I honestly don't know what to expect from this season but it's my oldest's last year of high school and he's been my constant viewing companion for 12 years now, so I'm gonna savor as much as I (or any Ranger fan) can :) Still remember him tearfully asking me Why Would Gaborik poke the puck past Lundvist??? as I tucked him in way too late after some playoff OT vs Caps when Chimera scored into the empty net. LGR!

LeoS


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:22 pm EST

Irving do like I do with yours.... Moof along

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:20 pm EST

St.Legs: 8 months of your posts fall into the "definite aggravation" category....

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:04 pm EST

2 hours to start 8 months of probable aggravation. Oh joy ....

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 3:36 pm EST

TD: Re the Pack - I'm assuming they're seeking some veteran guidance/leadership. It's a young, inexperienced team (again, which so far for the Rangers hasn't fared well). I like Graves getting an A - I am hoping that's a sign that management does consider himself a viable NHL prospect, even with AV behind the bench in NY. I saw some of his pre-season play and was impressed with his positioning and mobility. He's no Bobby Orr but he's not a lumbering giant, either. Staal, McD and Skjei are all Ranger development wins (albeit McD was stolen from MOntreal vs drafted). Adding a 4th before the year's out would be really nice, too.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 3:23 pm EST

I also happened upon this site in the Allsports days. But I don’t think I predated HOSPO. And here we go with the Trouba nonsense again. Dude is way overrated and has proven squat. There are 3 better d-men on the Jets right now. (J/k TD!)

Bob


Thu Oct 5 2017 2:52 pm EST

E: I was a lurker back in the All Sports days. I moved to TX in the summer of 95'. I think I found The Wall shortly after that so it would be the 95/96 season if I'm not mistaken. I didn't post until much later though. I remember my first post well. It was on January 25th 2002. I posted that the Stars had just fired KEN HITCHCOCK. And now we have come full circle with HITCHCOCK back behind the bench in Dallas.

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 2:21 pm EST

Huh...talk about strange, the Pack just named it's captains: Joe WHITNEY,who I kind of understand...was captain at BC...captained the Rampage last year...Eric SELLECK(?!?)and Ryan GRAVES as assistants. Selleck is kind of interesting...looks to be an enforcer-type. Looked at his rap sheet and he played at SUNY Oswego, which is a DIII school, and got a cup of coffee in the NHL. I can't tell you how incredibly unusual this is.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 1:50 pm EST

Let’s go rangers!!!

NV94


Thu Oct 5 2017 1:49 pm EST

HOSPO: sorry. I forgot we started last night.

E


Thu Oct 5 2017 1:48 pm EST

Ive been here since Allsports. So, I guess thats long enough that we may want to start a dead pool?

E


Thu Oct 5 2017 1:18 pm EST

E - I wasn't one of the originals ( I think there are a few longer tenured than me--- Bob? MFRED? JFC? GIBBO?)..But I started on All Sports during 97 PO's right before the years of Doom and Gloom...over 20 freaking years ago!!! Without a Cup of course!...By the Way, EEEE, answer your trade proposals or counter..:)

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:42 pm EST

E: HILARIOUS STORY!!!!! My skin is crawling just thinking about it...

schneidw


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:39 pm EST

And here we go... how many seasons is it now for the wall?

E


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:23 pm EST

RE: Tanner Glass: IMO Glass was a way better hockey player the last year, year and a half of this time with the Rangers than when he first came here... At first he handled the puck as if it were a live grenade and his possession numbers had to stink... It took him quite some time to start getting comfortable holding onto the puck a bit longer and it made a big impact in his game.... Glass was getting paid $1.45 mill per, and because of the Cap Mismangement it was very easy to focus on the $450,000 of approx over payment on Tanner's deal and make him out to be the scapegoat.... Lundqvist was easily overpaid $500K, Stepan at $6mill & not $6.5mill may have kept him on the Blueshirts, Girardi & Staals contracts were also a bit rich in conjunction with their NTC's/NMC's, but it became easy to focus on the stinkin $450,000 that Glass was overpaid and not the other salaries. I was guilty of that. One thing that Glass was, was true Blue Ranger while he was here, and he was a class act on the Wolfpack too, just like Wade Redden was.... Please keep Sather away from the checkbook...

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:52 am EST

LOL! If 'all the wrong things' includes hiring a total unmitigated head case of a goalie to be your starter over a very promising young netminder who is more than ready for prime time? Well, consider me in agreement. Again...ZERO idea why they would start MASON over HELLEBUCYK...Agreed, it's a mess up there...and really, it starts with making BYFUGLIEN the centerpiece of your defense. Don't get me wrong: I like Buff. But defense was never his strong suit and he's absolutely chowing cap space. They have superstars in LAINE, SCHEIFFLE and EHLERS, and I would argue TROUBA. The also have one hell of a pair in ROSLOVIC and CONNOR their way. Now it's about building the soldiers around them...I think RF is right: They DO try too hard to be the bullies of the northwest...and its a shame too, because they have players that can play the skilled game well...What they need to do is strike a nice balance...take their snarl and cut it with the Rangers' skill and you'd have on hell of a team...regardless though, you're not going to go anywhere with MASON platooning...

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:49 am EST

I think I said it last night but the Rangers had better not be sloppy defensively Saturday night or they're in trouble. The Leafs have 3 lines capable of the quick strike. They have like 9 forwards with offensive skill - most teams have like 5. And they farmed out Kaspanen who'd be on almost every other teams' top 9. It's a ridiculous richness of talent that they won't be able to maintain due to the cap.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:38 am EST

FWIW, the Jet problems are twofold: Mediocre goaltending and mediocre coaching. The lack of discipline both positionally and from the sinbox perspective are on the coach as much as anyone else. There is indeed some fine talent on that team, especially up front, but average goaltending will kill a team more often than not. Double that with poor positioning and you get 7 goals scored on you opening night. There was one goal where Mason was on the other side of the net when the puck went in. I think it was Nylander and he had so much net and so much time he almost screwed it up.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:35 am EST

Hey, if the Rangers flounder, maybe the King will agree to be traded to the Jets. I'm assuming the Winnipeg winters are not dissimilar to those in Sweden! ;^)

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:23 am EST

Joe COLBORNE is on waivers. I've not heard anything especially good about him...his possession metrics are not very good and he's getting cut by Colorado...but he's a guy who has played center...big body. Has a lot of talent, but has never been able to pull it together.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:22 am EST

Hospo- Yeah, don't get me wrong, Winnipeg has certain assets you definitely can build a very strong contender around. To some extent, does Chevy deserves credit for getting Laine, Ehlers, Scheifle and co? Sure why not. But, like was the case in EDM, its very difficult in this league to take the step from being say top 16-31 to being a steady top 10 team, and talent alone is basically never the case (unless you get a McDavid maybe...). From this perspective, I think Chevy is doing all the wrong things.

Ola


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:18 am EST

OLA _ i just don't know if Chevy in WPG knows how important Goaltending and D is to building a team..He's investing in some damn good players up front in Laine, Ehlers, Scheffle,Wheeler, Little, Lowry and has BYFUG and Trouba (will be good) but the rest of the D and the tending is a mess.Still even with these problems, they should be better then they are every year..JMWO

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:11 am EST

RF4L- So, you only want revenge after the damage is done? What good is that?..To me, the Rangers need 1 or 2 initiators as well as reactors...Just can't be moronic about it.....I'm sure this will be revisited..............people may disagree with GLASS's hockey value..but the guy is a good and strong fighter FWTW..He played pretty sdecently for Calgary last night.................As for the Rangers, I keep reading ab out this cup Run..Not with ZBAD as #1, Hayes as #2 and CHYTL as #3!!!..Perfect opening game for the Rangers tonight against the woeful AVS. A cup and CHytl as ROY will defientely be talked about tomorrow..

Hospo


Thu Oct 5 2017 10:06 am EST

RINKRAT: You too! Can we fast forward the next 8 hours until game time. Of course, I will probably be pissing and moaning here before you know it but right now I can't wait for this season to start. LETS GO RANGERS!!!!!

Vic


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:59 am EST

From my POV Chevy in Winnipeg is just totally lost. He is investing in the wrong type of players. His plans for the future isn't in touch with reality. He isn't making the necessary moves. So there are idiots in the world, what is new? But what really kind of irks me is that when you see the coverage of Winnipeg at TSN, CBS and so forth -- they all buy it. Hype Winnipeg's future. Winnipeg fans may not love Chevy at this point, but OTOH they don't really disagree with his strategy for building a team. And there is very little pressure on him to do the right things, even if his job could be on the line, I wonder if its for the right reasons. It was exactly the same thing with Edmonton who still would be worse than ever unless they lucked out on McDavid...

Ola


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:34 am EST

Just a quick drive-by to wish everyone a fun and successful hockey season! Take care.

RinkRat


Thu Oct 5 2017 9:00 am EST

Interesting first night. I would not be shocked if San Jose misses the playoffs this year. The Flyers are a lot faster and more skilled than they have been in the past. The Jets continue to be a bunch of meatheads with a few skilled players and a shooter tutor goalie. McDavid is the real deal and I have a healthy degree of Oiler hate built up due to those hideous orange jerseys, the Canadian media continually fawning all over them and everyone send ing the cup there. I really enjoy watching Toronto and their skill. As for tonight.....hoping Chytil is able to succeed and becomes a future #1 center. We’ll see.

Bob


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:54 am EST

Stevie.... That is true, but until he is ready to return, he will remain on the IR. They're still projecting the end of the month for Fast (his original target date), I'm thinking he might be back sooner. It's why I think you see the NYR running with 22 players instead of 23.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:43 am EST

Rhet quickie was at practice yesterday .... Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay Fast skating in regular jersey for the first time at NYR prax

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 8:38 am EST

Fogarty is on the SOIR, that basically prevents him from counting on the NYR cap since he was hurt in camp and never made the team. Desjardins is still on his PTO, which does not count against the NHL cap (he has not made the team.... yet). Fast is on the IR so he doesn't count against the roster size (ie. His contract dollars count, but we can add another player to the roster to replace him if we so decide). We also always have the option of placing Fast on LTIR if we needed his cap space.

Rhet0ric


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:56 am EST

TD: Re the BJs...maybe. We'll see. I think they are being over-rated because of that ridiculous winning streak they had last year. Don't get me wrong - I agree they are a good team but cup winners? I don't see it.

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:33 am EST

Hospo: Winnipeg has gotten better over the past few years with the stupidity and desire to out-muscle everyone but there's still a few idiots there, starting with Bufaphuck. Lowry on the first whistle started with the face-washing in a totally unprovoked manner. I hate that crap. I want a team that pushes back when that crap happens, not initiate it. BTW, anyone see Tanner Glass beat up Zake Kassian last night? Great fight. I already miss Glass!

rf4l


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:21 am EST

You cannot demote injured players, so we have to keep him on the roster until he is healthy.

Ola


Thu Oct 5 2017 7:17 am EST

stevielegs - purely a paper move...pretty sad that whoever runs the Rangers website doesn't have the wherewithal to pull that name off...I don't know when FOGARTY was injured, but it was before he set foot in camp. The same thing happened with Gabe FONTAINE last season. They kept him in camp until he was ready to take the ice in juniors. Probably allows them to keep an extra player in Hartford, since he can't be put on the IR until the season starts.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 5:05 am EST

http://www.msgnetworks.com/2017/10/04/retooled-rangers-eye-cup-run/

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:54 am EST

Is fogarthy on the roster? His name is listed for the nyr by the NHL

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 4:50 am EST

I count 24 guys on the roster plus dejardens .... who else new is wearing an A besides zucchini? Who got girardi's? Grabner?

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 2:59 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/the-heart-and-soul-of-the-rangers-deserves-this-honor/

Stevielegs


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:48 am EST

McDONAGH-SHATTY isn't exactly my dream matchup, but I think it's a goddamn 10-fold improvement over McD-GIRARDI. I think the important part about Shatty from what little I've seen is the guy's mobility. He can move across the blueline fluidly and he's a pretty decent skater to boot. That means when he's not pinching, McD can take a few more risks without having to worry about what we saw so many times over last year, which was a 2-on-1 with Girardi...sometimes even a 1-on-1...where he is used and abused like a traffic cone. I don't think Shatty will have that problem...he'll probably play a bit like YANDLE...and be a bit of an adventure in his own zone...but overall, I think he's a major upgrade for the D. I'd probably rather play him with someone like SMITH on the left...and then have DeANGELO pair with SKJEI...but then you have the question of what to do with STAAL...If he could be moved...would love McD to get time with a kid like PIONK.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:42 am EST

RF4L - Here's the allure about the BJs: They're young, fast, skilled and mean as hell. They have an incredible D that is both fundamentally sound in its own zone and can move the puck...they've got a goalie who, when healthy, can be one of the best in the league...Pretty much, the one weakness I see with the Jackets is the flatulent butthead they have behind the bench who couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag, much less to a cup. They're actually the team I see taking the Metro and possibly the east this year. If push comes to shove and it's the Pens versus the Jackets, I don't think Pittsburgh will win...the key, however, is keeping Bobo healthy. He goes down and the Jackets go with him.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:35 am EST

Here's another random question: Why in the F do good teams keep picking up and playing Ron HAINSEY?

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:32 am EST

To this day, I would snap TROUBA up in an instant if he were on the market. Rough game for him for sure. But if the Jets are thinking he's not worth the effort? Tell me the price. I'd gleefully take him on the Rangers.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:29 am EST

re: The Jets - The only thing more bizarre than them giving the pipes to Steve MASON is the Flyers giving the pipes to Brian ELLIOT. Two goalies who have unequivocally proven they can't hold a team in net. I thought for sure both were going to be backups...Both the Jets and Flyers have two very good goalies in HELLEBUYCK and STOLARZ respectively. Both of those guys should be starting...and yet both teams go to goalies that...well...suck as starters...oh well.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:28 am EST

Mfred: in the Shattenkirk article: Q: What can he (Mcdonagh) do for your (shattenkirk's) game? A: He can do a lot for me. I think the way that he plays the game, especially defensively, I think I’m gonna be able to learn a lot from him there. Offensively, he’s got a lot of skill in his game and a lot of offensive mindedness in his game. … I might have a little more than him, but for me, it’s always nice to play with someone who can think the game similar to me because that’s when we start to flow better and play well off of each other, and we’ll start to have some good chemistry that way.

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:25 am EST

Soooo nice to see the Pens beat in their barn by the badly injured Blues! Just a nice cap to hockey season starting...Now maybe someone can help me with this: Why are the Pens a shoe-in for the cup? Very good top two lines. Very good top two D. Then you get down to their bottom six...man...Some of the guys they're dressing are AHLers at best...third cup? My ass. There are teams that are a lot better and deeper than them. I think the jig is up in Pen-land. But hey, I said that last year and the year before...regardless, the only thing I want almost as much as the Rangers to win a cup is for the Pens to fall flat on their fucktard faces...and for all the felating pundits that like sucking that organization off to face a 5-cent wing night with a bushel of crow.

tdchi


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:14 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/kevin-shattenkirk-on-idolizing-leetch-loving-obj-and-coming-home/

mf


Thu Oct 5 2017 12:13 am EST

Brett Cyalis? http://nypost.com/2017/10/04/rangers-young-defenseman-cracks-opening-night-lineup/

mf


Wed Oct 4 2017 11:56 pm EST

Rf4L - You confuse me sometimes...You cry bout the Rangers lack of toughness but criticize the Jets for playing bigger guys that want t do just that.....But,as for WPG, they go nowhere without goaltedng..AGAIN.....MF - WPG actually brought in former NHL refs to try and teach them and help them from committing stuoid penalties.....EDMONTON looked real good tonight against a solid (not tonight) Flames team..THye were way too fast or quick......OTOH, the FLAMES hitting and defense was non-existent...but that's typical.early season NHL crap with little passion and phyiscality....Can't stand the fawning Oiler-homer announcers and the Edmonton crowd-defientely a team I will root against...But damn MCDAVID can fly..Unbelivable speed..you gotta hit and hurt that guy at every possible turn...Hard to do early season

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 10:58 pm EST

WPG: hockey channel had Barry Mellrose on last night, he said the Jets talk way too many penalties and in his opinion would NOT make the playoffs as a result

mf


Wed Oct 4 2017 10:35 pm EST

Jake Trouba........Minus 4. Glad that Gorton did not give up the farm for this fellow.

Bob


Wed Oct 4 2017 10:13 pm EST

Martin Jones leading the Flyers to a win in San Jose. Maybe he could play in Winnipeg.

Bob


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:30 pm EST

Cam Newton: Open mouth and insert foot. DOH!

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:04 pm EST

7 2 Leafs final. Yikes. Wonder how long it'll be before Maurice is fired!

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:52 pm EST

Not thrilled with the Shattenkirk, McD pairing. Doesn’t make sense to me......who’s gonna stay at home??

melvillefred


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:31 pm EST

That said, the Rangers had better be a little more disciplined and cleaner in their own zone Saturday. Leafs are so skilled - 3 lines all capable of the quick strike.

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:30 pm EST

Bob: You are so right about Cheval-stay-put. Do you think Frozen Joe Sakic has been studying him??

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:25 pm EST

OMG, The NYR need to sign Jiri Hudler right away.... Airline: NHL's Jiri Hudler demanded cocaine and tried to pee on food cart on flight .....https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/airline-nhls-jiri-hudler-demanded-cocaine-and-tried-to-pee-on-foot-cart-on-flight/

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:15 pm EST

Noice work by Jacob “all world” Trouba. 5-0. Good Lord.

Bob


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:14 pm EST

Guess that the WPG management did not have any video of Flyers games last season. They bit the bullet due to crappy goaltending and they decided to sign Mason. They went cheap........instead of making a deal to upgrade. Cheveldayoff is the king of doing NOTHING about moving players to improve. All his players are untouchables.

Bob


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:02 pm EST

Desjardins is on a PTO which means he can't play for the NYR. He is not eligible to play in the NHL on a PTO. He can play in the AHL and the NYR could sign him to a 2nd PTO (max) If they so chose. Each PTO lasts for 25 days. I guess we're just keeping him around for insurance and his sparkling personality.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 4 2017 7:32 pm EST

Mason already getting sarcastic cheering from Jet crowd. Love it. And not because I dislike Mason. I dislike the Jets. Still gotta dress a bunch of big nobs who'd rather be prickjobs vs playing hockey.

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 6:54 pm EST

Steve Mason...LOLOLOLOL...

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 6:08 pm EST

RF4L - I hear ya..I see the rangers battling for 5th -8th in the East but it won't take much for them to compete with three of the other 4 teams above that..Penguins are another story..Barring injury, they will win a third Cup in a row..

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 6:01 pm EST

Hospo: Yep, I find many sports writers are just sheep - follow what the pack are saying. Just like so many under-estimating the Rangers.

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 5:30 pm EST

RF4L - Here's another one for your BJs by Scott Burnside...Metropolitan: Columbus Blue Jackets Atlantic: Tampa Bay Lightning....Pacific: Edmonton Oilers....Central: Nashville Predators....Eastern Conference Final....Tampa Bay Lightning vs. Columbus Blue Jackets...Western Conference Final....Dallas Stars vs. Edmonton Oilers...Stanley Cup Final....LIGHTNING over OIL

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 5:00 pm EST

Not sure why I get all this adoration for the BJs. Yes they have a competitive team but a cup contender? 2 years ago they sucked. Last year they were very good. The difference? Bobo who's one of the most hot and cold goalies I've ever seen to the point where he has hot and cold SEASONS. If I'm a BJ fan (DOH!) I'd be watching anxiously how Bobo starts the year. It'll likely be harbinger of what's coming for the next 7 months...

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:57 pm EST

STEVIE - Then what they have now, for this year? Hell yeah..My opinion all along was that they needed to deal one of Hayes or Stepan and together with a wing/prospect/pics land a differet more complete kind of center..and get a replacement wing via UFA..GORDO chose to deal for the future..

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:54 pm EST

STEVIE: That has kind of been my point all along. LINDBERG is hardly a difference make. I have no doubt whatsoever that the Rangers will get FAR more production out of DEHARNAIS then they would have gotten out of LINDBERG. As for HAYES, the guy has far more talent and ability then STEPAN with the puck. He just does. Over the last 3 years STEPAN averaged 37 Even Strength Points Per Game while HAYES averaged 34.67. That is with STEPAN at the peak of his career playing with the Rangers top offensive weapons while HAYES was playing 3rd line minutes with far less talented players. If HAYES gets more minutes with better players and gets the PP time that STEPAN used to get you can bet his numbers are going to up significantly. And CHEETOS......lets see what we have before we declare him unready for the NHL.

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:31 pm EST

Hospo do you think the nyr would be much better with stepan and cheesy as centers , along with Hayes and ZBAD?

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:21 pm EST

Nick pick any NHL forward and goalie, and assvipe still gets knocked out of the playoffs

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 4 2017 3:30 pm EST

Nick - ah, that might explain Servali's opinion...I kinda agree on some of the Carolina and BJ "love" ..I think the BJ's will be a Cup contender but will fail before the Cup finals..Carolina seems like a good young team that should finally get back in the POs..But that's about it..Not there yet IMWO.........There's not too many teams in the NHL that when I compare against the Rangers I end up saying they are clearly the better team....But then I look at the center position which I think is one huge clusterfuck from 1 down to 4 and just shake my head...ONE player would/can make a tremendous difference...Guess I gotta hope that I am wrong (very possible) and Gordon is right about ZBAD and HAYES and that CHYTL is that player...or he fixes the hole

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 3:17 pm EST

I think this team is too talented (in terms of depth of lines), fast, and has too much D (including #30) to miss the playoffs. I could see them being at or near the top of the Metro and with a move or two just before the POs could prove to be an extremely dangerous team to face. I would not discount a multi-round playoff run and, with some really good bounces and good health, could even make it to another finals. But, then again, that's why I am a lifetime Ranger fan who always sees the glass as possibly half-full (and gets his heart broken!).

Ranger47


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:55 pm EST

Hospo, Seravalli used to be a Philly beat writer. So there's that. I think the NYR 'window' is still open a crack and I don't see them missing the POs. A lot of that is based on Carolina love for some reason and Columbus. But Torts' sands are due to run out soon.

Nick


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:52 pm EST

Stevie if by "assvipe and talkerella" you mean Nos. 61 and 30, I'm with you.

Nick


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:39 pm EST

HOSPO: Yours has been added. I added mine from yesterday as well. What the hell....

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:36 pm EST

So it looks like Desjardins is still practicing with the Rangers on a PTO. Didn't know those could go beyond training camp. Learn something new...

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:31 pm EST

VIC - Putting my fake money where my mouth is....If no external center is brought in for the top three lines, the 2017-18 Rangers will be in a dog fight for the 5th-8th PO spot in the EAST and finish in 6th place..They will lose in a six-game series during the first round of the Stanley Cup POs..

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 2:24 pm EST

I do t know about you guys but after a few lines the last place I’d want to be is in an airplane. I flew once on shrooms years ago and it was bad. Honolulu to Newark nonstop. Claustrophobia induced paranoia.

E


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:52 pm EST

Aright COLORADOMARK, your predictions have been posted. Anyone else?

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:52 pm EST

To reput my 2 cents back in ... the nyr have been a very good team during assvipe and most of talkerella' reigns.... they have basically failed in the post seasons mostly because of assvipe and talkerella with a little help from their friends fishboy and the genius.... and I don't see that changing unless assvipe is not there this postseason.... or next....

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:38 pm EST

Could be a language issue. Hudler just misunderstood what the mile high club was.....

Ranger47


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:31 pm EST

LEO: I have no idea how many hours the straight ones are required to work. Is it different from the gay ones? That wouldn't be fair....;-)

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:28 pm EST

Do you know how many hours straight flight attendants are expected to work? There's no way they were sharing their stash w/Hudler.

LeoS


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:07 pm EST

MZA gets to wear a letter this season.

E


Wed Oct 4 2017 1:05 pm EST

Happens all the time, and I HATE when those flight attendents accuse me of something like that! :)

Ranger47


Wed Oct 4 2017 12:50 pm EST

WOW. Soooo....who's got a contract ready?!?? "Jiri Hudler is accused of threatening a flight attendant while demanding cocaine on his way from New York to Prague, according to a Czech newspaper report. According to the report, the 33-year-old former Detroit Red Wings forward told the flight attendant he wanted cocaine. When she told him that would be illegal, Hudler allegedly threatened the woman and told her he would have his friends kill her when they arrived in Prague. Moreover, the flight staff accused Hudler of doing cocaine in the airplane bathroom and said he tried to urinate on a food cart. In a statement to Blesk magazine, Hudler denies the accusations."

tdchi


Wed Oct 4 2017 12:43 pm EST

So are we in the Andrew Desjardins era or was he released?

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 4 2017 12:16 pm EST

CM: Yes, it is too late for the poll questions for this year. However, you can download them from the site and do them for fun just to see how you would have done. I'll add your predictions to the On The Record page.

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 11:20 am EST

VIC- Is it too late to do the Poll questions? Here is my bold predictions for "the Record": Rick Nash scores 40+ goals. DESHARNAIS becomes a PowerPlay mainstay and is in the top 5 in scoring on the Rangers.

ColoradoMark


Wed Oct 4 2017 10:54 am EST

HOSPO: I think that’s part of the reason that they always piss on the New York Rangers. They seem to perennially lack that sizzle superstar that I think conventional wisdom requires. So, their demise is always predicted. Yet, they remain very deep on the wings. To be sure the criticisms of Lundqvist are warranted but I’m not of the belief that the New York Rangers are just him.

E


Wed Oct 4 2017 10:53 am EST

I think there are two things at play: If you are NOT a Ranger fan, you hate the Rangers. Simple as that. The Rangers are pretty much Public Enemy #1, because they have a gigantic fan base that literally takes over opposing rinks at times...and because they're New York. You get similar hatred for the Yankees and Giants...not so much the Knicks, but that's because they've sucked for so goddamn long...But that hatred, I would opine, bleeds into second-rate hack-writers who produce these almost totally arbitrary 'top' lists. I remember seeing a 'top 23 defenseman' list that omitted McDONAGH...which I just don't understand...And there there's the jackasss(Berkshire maybe?) who boldly predicted HALAK would have a better season than LUNDQVIST and Jon QUICK --both of whom he had among the bottom 10(below MA FLEURY of all tenders)...There are plenty of people who simply want the Rangers to fail and absolutely refuse to give them even a modicum of credit for the incredible run they've had over the past seven years.

tdchi


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:53 am EST

E - Here's another worthless? prediction from somebody named Frank Servali of the SPorting News.."The Rangers’ window is closing as they miss the playoffs for just the second time during Henrik Lundqvist’s reign. Lundqvist, who turns 36 this season, is coming off a career-worst season with a .910 save percentage. It will be hard to hold ground in the Metro with those numbers again."........You guys know how cynical and pessimistic I can be sometimes :) but don't understand the total death knell when the Rangers, though not having a superstar, have as good and deep a set of wings and Top -4 D-men in the League (3rd pair will work out eventually)....OTOH, I do understand the concern and thinking that they are not a cup contender because of the slipping of The King and what I see as huge issues at center that GORDO is totally responsible for

Hospo


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:48 am EST

I constantly see the experts and their opinions as worthless. Two years ago San Jose was too old. They lost their stalwart on the blueline and the window had closed. Several had them missing the playoffs again after a recent collapse. That season they went to the SCF. Remember when Calgary got super hot and ended up in the finals? Or last season Ottawa almost put PIT down. Hockey Gods decided that they’d given Ottawa enough help. Point is, sure there are favorites. But the NHL is unique in that home ice record means little. All you need is to get in and who knows what will happen next? Game by game. A few good timely bounces, a stupid mistake can be the difference maker that dooms a team. So let the pundits shell out their endless drivel of worthless opinions. You get the New York Rangers into the playoffs and who knows what will happen? Did anyone see the New York Rangers coming back against The unstoppable juggernaut Capitals? They Blueshirts were left for dead just waiting for that final crack to the head with the hammer. And we know what happened next...

E


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:45 am EST

Ok. Since we are on the eve of the start of the season and everyone was in a mood to make predictions yesterday.......Does anyone want to make a prediction that gets posted to the rfccjc.com prediction page? (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/on-the-record/). Just make your bold prediction here and tell me you want it "On The Record". They could be anything Rangers related.

Vic


Wed Oct 4 2017 9:29 am EST

rf4l: not that I am totally disagreeing....but let’s not forget the year the Rangers went to the SCF no less than 4 “experts” had them misdingbthe playoffs and more than half those same amazing individuals who rank things had the Rangers squeezing in the playoffs when they won the presidents trophy. There is a strong dislike for the NYR, and it seems to show up every year.

Wildcard


Wed Oct 4 2017 8:27 am EST

Lots of top 50 NHL polls over the past several weeks. Interesting that in most the Rangers don't place a single player. Quite amazing that the team has fared quite well over the past 1/2 dozen years but at the same time, another reason why there's been no cup in that time. As we've discussed on here numerous times the inability for Sather to land a top end player is among his biggest shortcomings (and the King doesn't count seeing as Sather had basically nothing to do with his acquisition). This is why I remain convinced there's a very good chance John Tavares is the Rangers number 1 centre opening night 18/19.

rf4l


Wed Oct 4 2017 6:23 am EST

Rhet shredded zucchini?

Stevielegs


Wed Oct 4 2017 5:26 am EST

Stevie..... I kind of like the 'Zucchini Line' (Zuc-Chy-N-i) line.

Rhet0ric


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:15 am EST

"Alain Vigneault is the first coach to start five consecutive seasons behind the bench on Broadway since Phil Watson (1955-59) nearly six decades ago, with the team cast in his image. The players respect Vigneault, and they enjoy playing for him. Vigneault is a pro. Yes, if this collapses, chances are he won’t be around at the finish, and chances are that he knows it. But don’t bet on that. Lindy Ruff, an assistant with a head coach’s pedigree commensurate with Vigneault’s, takes over the defense."

stevielegs


Wed Oct 4 2017 4:12 am EST

znc(zinc) line.....http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/rangers-veteran-showing-the-ropes-to-filip-chytil/

stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:08 pm EST

LB: http://nypost.com/2017/10/03/rangers-preview-the-only-sure-thing-isnt-so-sure/

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:08 pm EST

Rhet, a bit too much for me, but t/y

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 10:24 pm EST

MF.... Per CapFriendly‏ @CapFriendly ..... LTIR Update: We've learned a much deeper understanding of LTIR operations. Our LTIR FAQ is updated with the details....https://www.capfriendly.com/ltir-faq

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:48 pm EST

Hey Branch manager, back on your limb & please get me some POLAK....

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:25 pm EST

In regard to Polak: Don't get too excited. He's still working out with TO. They might sign him to a contract tomorrow.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:24 pm EST

mf: Probably the minimum. Alas, it ain't gonna happen - just TD looking for Gorton to nab someone like Rychel or Lipon or whoever. None of these guys play AV style hockey. Thinking/hoping otherwise is pure FANtasy.

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:19 pm EST

RF: how little will he sign for? $$700K +/-..... That's depth IMO... 2 seasons ago our D was our strength and in no time it wasn't.... Sign this guy, not every D'man has to skate like Eric Heiden.....

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:09 pm EST

mf: Polak released from his PTO.

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:05 pm EST

Eichel deal interesting. Definitely paying for potential but a calculated risk for sure. That said, he'd better produce like right away or the pressure is gonna be HUGE right away.

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 8:38 pm EST

Hey TD: What's the wiser bet: Golden Showers win the cup or Ryan Gropp gets recalled to the Rangers this season...?

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:58 pm EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers ..... Happy Birthday to Blueshirts legend #19 Jean Ratelle

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:57 pm EST

I'm going out on another limb.... Zuc get's Step's "A" and Kirk get's G's "A."

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:48 pm EST

Well, you guys have your predictions....but I'm going for it: Las Vegas Knights. Stanley Cup Champs. MVP: The Flower.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:24 pm EST

I'll go ahead and make a prediction. Since nothing ever seems to go the way conventional wisdom says I predict this. I predict the Rangers will lose in the conference finals to Columbus after having outplayed them. I predict the center position will end up being considered a strength of the team. And I predict that the Rangers will once again be eliminated due to an inability to finish in the offensive zone and some weak late goals against.

vic


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:21 pm EST

Rhet0ric - LOL. I agree. But c'mon. Ya gotta give some scratch to hockey's only ginger.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:20 pm EST

Bob - Alright, you do have a point. And I forgot about that hole in my wall from my remote and the anger that put it there during one of those epic melt downs against the Sens...I guess I'm just amped for hockey in general and I forget about what a mess that series was. We shall see. I think if they go through their now-usual bouts of inconsistency, AV will be on the hot seat and the whole team could face dismantling. Ruff is behind the bench for a reason. I don't think even a modicum of failure is going to be tolerated this season.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:59 pm EST

TD—I don’t mean to be negative. I just don’t have a whole lot of confidence in the organ-I-zation. I am still irritated at them for losing to Ottawa. There still is not any excuse nor that. AV was outcoached by a total goofball. And the clutch players coughed up hairballs late in games and made an all star of a 3rd line center. Ugh.

Bob


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:48 pm EST

Rf when do the craps deal ovie? He's their hanky.... no Cup... have to think many of their fans look at him as a rich man Nash.....would you take him over Tavares? .... can you say fishboy blockbuster?

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:44 pm EST

No TD, I really think it's too much for Jack Eichel. Negativity be damned! :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:42 pm EST

Man, some of you guys are so f'ing negative I really wonder why you bother watching the team.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:21 pm EST

Eichel... for $10 Million per. I hate this deal(too much money). I wouldn't be shocked to see Eichel to have Rick Nash type career.... Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun..... "Obviously meant $80 M over 8 years since 10 years would be illegal in the CBA, haha." #Eichel

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:16 pm EST

Kathryn Tappen‏Verified account @KathrynTappen ...... The @BuffaloSabres are about to announce a long term deal with Jack Eichel! How exciting for the future of this franchise! .....Also per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun...... Believe they're still putting finishing touches on it, but a verbal agreement in place; should be around $80 million over 10 years I think.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 6:14 pm EST

FWIW, it'll be interesting to see how the Caps season unfolds. They have definitely been weakened via the exodus of talent they endured over the summer. Will this finally teach them that the regular season means squat and the real objective should be to make the POs and then make hay? Not that by doing so it's then a run to the cup but perennially they are regular season giants and PO nothings; maybe refocusing on the right agenda will finally change their fate?

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:55 pm EST

Bob: Washington? Really...they are a team that is just known for folding in the biggest time of year. Unless you hint they got "that" much better this offseason they will likely lose to whoever is in front of them in the post season. The PENS are a different story, they are really good and can win in the big time of year. But the Caps are not a concern anymore than any team that makes the post season.

Wildcard


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:55 pm EST

And for me I've said it previously: I honestly don't know what to expect. I can see Bob's scenario playing out for sure. I can also see the wheels coming off and there's no POs. And I can see a longer PO run. Just so very unpredictable for me. In the meantime, here are 10 smaller wins I hope to see: 1) Chytil doesn't get killed and either plays better than I am envisioning or gets sent back before game 9. 2) Z proves worthy of the promotion he's received. 2b) Hayes, too, but I believe the former is a more reasonable hope/vision/expectation. 3) Shattenkirk actually makes the PP finally respectable. 4) Buch and Vesey both progress if not substantially at least moderately. 5) At least one of the new young D end up being firmly entrenched in the Ranger starting 6. 6) Pavelec proves to be another astute backup goalie signing. 7) Additional draft picks are acquired via trading a little used veteran 8) Ryan Graves gets a reasonable look-see at some point in the season (and at the same time doesn't get the AV McI (mis)treatment). 9) Ryan Gropp is able to handle the AHL (and pots 20+ goals) 10) John Tavares is not signed at any point this season.

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:23 pm EST

Bob: Oh my. Now I'm depressed.

rf4l


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:11 pm EST

I think the Rangers get into the playoffs with no home ice advantage in any series, and go out in round one or round 2. I think they will, once again, build up some points early and have trouble late and in the playoffs whether everything tightens up. I think Henrik will be better than he was last year. They will actually score a few PPG’s, but the overall lack of grit will hurt them long term. They cannot compete with Pittsburgh or Washington, who have better offense and goaltending than them. I think the only way Henrik wins a cup is with another team......unless Chytil turns into Auston Matthews. Perhaps if they really tank, Gorton can move Nash and McDonagh for killer assets that will set them up for the next 5-7 years. I think that, if Taveras stays on the Island that they, and maybe even NJ win another cup before the Rangers do. I think that the next Rangers goalie to lift the cup will be Shestyerkin

Bob


Tue Oct 3 2017 4:41 pm EST

E - I thought I was being pretty objective with the 5th-8th Po spot..Unless there is a SIGNIFICANT change in the middle, my thinking NOW is that they don't get past the first round..I also think they lack leadership upfront and a coach that hasn't supplied it late in the season the last two years..I would love to see the late season evolve differently, who knows...long ways to go..

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 4:28 pm EST

HOSPO: objectively thinking depending on the first round draw I think the New York Rangers will win one series and done. Some of it is because of the experience in the right places. Even Shatty is a perennial playoff player. And most of the team has at least 10 playoff games on their resume. Can’t see it differently. Hopefully they are as good as the NYR are really reaching on. If not? Nowadays it’s goal and out the middle. That’s your core.

E


Tue Oct 3 2017 4:20 pm EST

Still awaiting on official NHL rosters for each team, which were due at 5pm today. The only real question for the NYR is the future of Andrew Desjardins.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 4:09 pm EST

TD.... I worry about the center position. I worry about Hayes taking over the PK duties for Stepan. I can see us getting off to a quick start, but I could also see it breaking down by the middle of the season. The fourth line is also a bit of a mess. I think Desharnais is better suited for 3rd line duties then he is as the 4th pivot. What will Carey bring? Vesey is maybe the last guy I would put on the 4th line. No real reason for it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:53 pm EST

TDCHI - I'll split that difference in predcitions..Rangers will be strong in Goal and on D..Good set of Wings when healthy but center is a HUGE concern..As is AV to me....Still, it is a PO team...Fighting for the 5th-8th spot in the EAST and in-season moves or lack of them will decide if they can go any further than one and done..

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:28 pm EST

And then there's this prediction: thesco.re/2xQ0kdO

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:27 pm EST

Steven Fogarty - 24 years old, 7 goals and 20 points in 66 Pack games last year. Middling, at best, prospect.

rf4L


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:23 pm EST

Those stats from Andersson - exactly what we want to see.

rf4L


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:22 pm EST

Rhet0ric - There are a lot of pundits saying the Rangers are going to fall on their collective faces this year, which I don't really understand. I think most of them look at LUNDQVIST and the comparatively lack-luster season he had last year and figure 'this is it...they gotta go back to sucking...' There was also someone among the analytics clows that busted out a nice little graph that predicted Lundqvist and PAVELEC will be something like the fifth or sixth worst tandem in the NHL...to put this in perspective, they ranked HALAK and GRIESS in the dead center and TALBOT among the top five...Nevertheless, I can somewhat understand the hesitancy to consider the Rangers' viable contenders given the STEPAN trade, that their third line center is now on second and they've got a kid who just turned 18 holding down third line...but that really kind of belies where they have improved...I don't think this team is perfect, but I do believe they're a lot stronger than sixth in the Metro(?!?) or out of the playoff bubble.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:19 pm EST

Daniel Winnik is still an UFA. He may get signed by Minnesota today , but he's currently still an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:17 pm EST

CM - Yep, I can understand that concern but he wasn't gonna get his old salary..Anyway, I think it would have been smart for the Rangers to bring a younger/quicker (and less expensive) alternative to GLASS that also could provide his toughness and, yes, maybe fists... FARNHAM and DESJARDINS were scum at the bottom of the barrel..

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:15 pm EST

ColoradoMark - FOGARTY has been injured. Can't recall what it is, but the same exact thing happened with Gabriel FONTAINE last year...I think its just a paper thing. Imagine when he returns, he'll be back with the Pack.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:11 pm EST

HOSPO- My only problem with Glass was his contract. I hope he does well there.Maybe he'll ride shotgun with Jags!

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 2:12 pm EST

Yeah, Pens were pretty much screwed with Derek POULIOT...got what they could get for him, which was trash. PEDAN is pretty much a waste...and a fourth rounder. It's essentially their version of the McILRATH trade...though I would say there's still a chance Pouliot pulls out a respectable NHL career...somewhat surprised they kept RUHWEDEL over him...Pouliot would have been claimed on waivers...kind of doubt Ruhwedel would have...Here's some interesting trivia: With Pouliot gone, the Pens have only converted one first rounder over the past decade into a roster player: Oli MAATTA.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:51 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/penguins-send-d-pouliot-to-canucks-1.874354: 2012 NHL DRAFT sure had ALOT of busts.... Pouliot was drafted right ahead of #9 pick J Trouba (OUCH!)... NYRs had the steal of the 1st round with Skjei. How great is it when you draft and develop first round picks anwyays?????

schneidw


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:49 pm EST

Alex Nunn‏ @aj_ranger ...... Andersson finishes the game w/ a goal, an assist, two shots, and 8 wins on 11 face-offs in just over 16 minutes of ice-time. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:27 pm EST

Also glad for Tanner GLASS..keeping the dream going in CALGARY..FLAMES are gonna have a good team this year IF the goaltending can be average or better..They can use a guy like him that will occsionally stand up for them and not hurt them otherwise..especailly with some of the rugged west teams.

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:18 pm EST

HOSPO- I'm also pleased that ANDERSSON is back in Sweden. And you know JOEL, brother of the KING, will look after the kid.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:10 pm EST

So Josh Anderson signs a 3 year deal with the Blue Jackets. I wonder which GM in RFC FHL drafted that kid?

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:01 pm EST

ANDERSSON with a PP goal in his 1st game Frolunda..Really smart choice and having the kid go back and play in all situations..Hopefully, that will eventually haoppen with CHYTL and Delangelo also..

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:00 pm EST

ZOLNIERCZYK: um, I'd like to buy a vowel, Pat.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 12:29 pm EST

SO is the big bad penalty for exceeding the cap just a monetary fine? No Teeth, whoop-d-do... Detroit pays and puts FRANZEN on LTIR & they comply, Toronto places HORTON & LUPUL on LTIR and is $5,970,833 below the cap and can take the girls shopping for more players..

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 12:19 pm EST

RFA not RFS

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 12:19 pm EST

Rhet: That's quite the nose, had Hossa or Lupul been a Ranger, Bungholio would have had Hossa dress in Latex & Lupul would have passed his fudgical........ OAN, Detroit added $700K to their over the cap total by signing David Booth, and nary a word crying foul outside of mf that Detroit is circumventing the spirit of the cap limit by not signing RFS ATHANASIOU....

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 12:02 pm EST

Per Dhiren Mahiban‏Verified account @dcmahiban ..... Tanner Glass, on a PTO with the #Flames, will sign a 1-year deal in Calgary today.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 12:01 pm EST

SB Nation has the NYR finishing 6th in the Metro this season. I blame Kevin Hayes for that finish ... Also: I expect Andrew Desjardins to be released from his PTO today.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:41 am EST

RHET: LOL! Outstanding! See, I'm not the only one that thinks she sings like a braying goat....

Vic


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:36 am EST

SCHNEIDER: they don’t have to put a single New York Rangers player in their “top-list.” For all the New York Rangers faults and failings to deliver the big prize I don’t think many could argue that the New York Rangers as a team are collectively their strength. What they lack in sizzle they make up for in depth and spread out production. So they could put zero New York Rangers in the “top-1000.” I wouldn’t care. They obviously need some sizzle. No one would doubt that. But a lot of teams would wish to have the likes of 20 goal scorers on their 4th line. Just shining the positive.

E


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:22 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun..... ZOLNIERCZYK (Nash) only player placed on waivers today

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:20 am EST

Anyone here what happened to Steven Fogarty? Not that he is consequential to the Rangers but I am sure that his injury is the only reason the Pack only have 22 people on their roster. CapFriendly says he is on the Rangers and on "Season Opening IR" whatever that means. He also can't be sent down. Also interesting that Desjardins is still with the team but has not been signed. Maybe it all hinges on Holden being traded?

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:15 am EST

Daren Millard‏Verified account @darenmillard ....... The @Nhl deputy commissioner Bill Daly tells @SNHockeyCentral at noon @MapleLeafs Joffery Lupul failed his second physical, goes on LTIR

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 11:08 am EST

ob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... VGK claims Subban from BOS. COL claims Nemeth from DAL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 10:36 am EST

VIC..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGBqB_k84Ms

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:56 am EST

Aivis Kalni?š @A_Kalnins ....Alexei Bereglazov has also began talking with Metallurg Magnitagorsk, doesn't want to miss Olympics if he isn't playing in the NHL. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:26 am EST

The Pack roster now includes 22 players, 13 forwards, seven defensemen and two goaltenders: Goal (2): Alexandar Georgiev, Chris Nell.... Defense (7): Alexei Bereglazov, Brandon Crawley, John Gilmour, Ryan Graves, Garrett Noonan, Vince Pedrie, Neal Pionk.... Forwards (13): Dan Catenacci, Dan DeSalvo, Gabriel Fontaine, Ryan Gropp, Scott Kosmachuk, Vinni Lettieri, Boo Nieves, Matt Puempel, Cole Schneider, Eric Selleck, Malte Stromwall, Adam Tambellini, Joe Whitney

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 9:01 am EST

I smell BS in the air ....yes... definitely BS..... Per Scott Powers‏Verified account @ByScottPowers ..... BREAKING: The NHL has informed the #Blackhawks they're allowed to place Marian Hossa on LTIR, source says

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 8:54 am EST

In regard to TO... Per the Athletic: "The Leafs made their big cuts on Monday, leaving only one decision — Andreas Borgman or Calle Rosen on the third D pair — prior to their season opener in Winnipeg. There were no huge surprises; this was more or less the roster we expected, save for Travis Dermott or Roman Polak potentially making the blueline and Eric Fehr possibly hitting waivers." "Toronto is expected to be able to place Joffrey Lupul on long-term injured reserve after a ruling from the league, something that could be announced as early as Tuesday."

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 8:16 am EST

NYR Alumni Reports‏ @NYRalumni ... #TodayInNYRhistory 10/3/1991: Adam Graves makes his Rangers debut against the Boston Bruins, wearing No. 11.

Rhet0ric


Tue Oct 3 2017 8:01 am EST

McIlrath was waived, but only for the purpose of being sent to Grand Rapids where he is expected to be a regular. He probably won't see the NHL unless there are several injuries and a need to show some muscle, but he is signed with the Red Wings for two years.

ColoradoMark


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:56 am EST

TD: As for the Rangers, as disgusted, dejected, pissed-off, angry and frustrated as I was after their inexcusable collapse against that Mickey Mouse team from Ottawa, I have to admit I am pumped up again for this season as well. I too think CHEETOS will be here for the entire year, and I think he will have his ups and downs. Hopefully throughout the year he will continue to improve and mature physically. I like the changes on D. And I think the Rangers depth through their forward lines will be hard for every team in the league to handle. This is a really good team. I don't know how far they can go in the playoffs. Only time will tell. But to Win a Cup you have to be healthy, you have to get great goaltending at critical times and you have to get your best players on a roll going into and through the playoffs.

Vic


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:51 am EST

Ok, I guess it is official that PETTY is dead. He was never a big time front man. He was never a "Rock and Roll God". He was a musician who pumped out great music for decades. And I'm sure being called a musician would have been a high compliment to him. If you couldn't tell from my posts last night I am and always will be a big fan of his. And while the man may have died his music never will. And RHET:......Tom carried that braying goat in STOP Draggin' My Heart Around.

Vic


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:32 am EST

On FEHR...Obviosly, he's not a fit on the speed obsessed Rangers 4th line with Desahranis as the Rangers/Gordos version of a 4th C, and I guess I can see that though not agree....But I'd take FEHR over any Ranger other 4th liner right now...Solid 4th liner/Black Ace..Big Body..can cycle..can skate a little..can kill penalties..has a knack for some big goals..has WON unlike almost every single Ranger..Desjardins dropped off the cliff last year, Fehr hasn't..

Hospo


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:17 am EST

mf - FEHR? What part about him do you like? Certainly they could do worse. But not by much. He's on par with DESJARDINS.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 7:15 am EST

That's interesting...but of all those players, really only two...maybe three...were regulars: GIRARDI, STEPAN and KLEIN. All the others were supporting case. I do like the look of the Rangers this season...not really a surprise I'm sure...I usually say this at the top of every season...nevertheless, just going by what I observed in pre-season, I have a feeling we're going to see significant break-out years from VESEY and BUCHNEVICH. Both looked phenomenal in camp...I'm also in the minority of those who feel CHYTIL will be year for the season...which, IMO, is fine. I would be much more comfortable with someone like BOZAK pivoting our third line. But in the event Chytil stumbles, I suspect they'll move MILLER to that spot or give NIEVES a hard look at fourth line...I'm hesitant to call the ball on the D right now, though on paper it's certainly one of the strongest, if not THE strongest in the league. Last year, we were going into the season with Nick HOLDEN in our top four. This year, he's probably the seventh defender...They're fast and mobile...and everyone of them can score...SHATTY certainly adds a dynamic that wasn't there before...and he partially corrects the reliance of lefties to play the right side...DeANGELO, though I think he had a shaky pre-season, certainly has the tools of a solid NHL player...and I think in a year when special teams are going to make or break teams, the Rangers certainly have laced their lineup with talented guys who can move the puck very well.

tdchi


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:29 am EST

And now back to the magic of hockey..."So at least six players who dressed for the Oct. 13 opening-nighter last season won’t dress for the Avalanche game: Derek Stepan, Antti Raanta, Adam Clendening (Arizona), Dan Girardi (Tampa), Brandon Pirri (free agent) and Fast. And four other players who were injured or scratched for that 5-3 win are no longer around: Oscar Lindberg (Las Vegas), Kevin Klein (retired), Dylan McIlrath (free agent), and Josh Jooris (Carolina)."....https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/retooled-rangers-seemed-set-on-their-opening-night-roster-1.14335140?utm_content=buffer2a9cc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 5:26 am EST

"Music is probably the only real magic I have encountered in my life... It's pure and it's real. It moves, it heals..." - Tom Petty

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 4:57 am EST

Now tom petty is free fallin

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:56 am EST

One more hill to climb...."A big mountain sits in front of them, with a very different roster and the same end goal of winning the Stanley Cup. Now that climb begins."

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 3:52 am EST

..Veteran forward Andrew Desjardins traveled with the team and practiced while still on his professional tryout...http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vigneault-couldnt-resist-this-dynamic-defensive-pairing/

Stevielegs


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:11 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/everest-climber-inspires-rangers-on-team-building-trip-upstate/

mf


Tue Oct 3 2017 1:04 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/vigneault-couldnt-resist-this-dynamic-defensive-pairing/

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:29 pm EST

WTF??!!! No NYR #27???? http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/definitive-ranking-nhls-top-23-defencemen-three-seasons/

schneidw


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:07 pm EST

cuts

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 9:48 pm EST

Read that Toronto will be making additional tomorrow, they're carrying ERIC FEHR.... Big boy, won a cup 2 seasons ago with Pit, played with the Caps, I'd have no problem with him centering the 4th line and send Chytil to go pick up his High School diploma.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/3524

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 9:31 pm EST

TD/COMARK.... In regard to Kovacs: I've been at work the last two days straight w/out a cell. I missed it, sorry.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 9:01 pm EST

STOP Draggin' My Heart Around is technically a Stevie Nicks song, so I'm not so sure ti counts.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 6:12 pm EST

STEVIE: I Won't Back Down.....So you can STOP Draggin' My Heart Around....

Vic


Mon Oct 2 2017 5:40 pm EST

team fondling, i mean bonding....https://twitter.com/NYRangers

stevielegs


Mon Oct 2 2017 5:37 pm EST

Vic we are all waiting....it's just when it's our time.....unfortunately like those people in Las Vegas .....

stevielegs


Mon Oct 2 2017 5:24 pm EST

STEVIE: The Waiting Is The Hardest Part....

Vic


Mon Oct 2 2017 5:16 pm EST

Vic don't think it's official yet, but probably will be.

stevielegs


Mon Oct 2 2017 5:04 pm EST

Rest in Peace Tom. I'm Free Fall'in from this news. You Don't Know How It Feels (to be me). I'm headed for a Breakdown. Don't Do Me Like That!!!!

Vic


Mon Oct 2 2017 4:54 pm EST

Zborovsky is in Greenville. No announcement, but it was on the Swamp Rabbits home page. RHET- Not sure what you meant by Kovaxs going to Regina, I think he is headed back to Sweden. His contract was terminated which means he is not one of the Rangers 50 contracts. I don't know if that means we maintain his rights if he ever gets his mental health taken care of and decides to try again. It's similar to what happened to Calle Andersson, who also had his contract terminated. Henrik Samuellsson was also cut and sent to Idaho of the ECHL.

ColoradoMark


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:55 pm EST

re: HOLDEN - The overwhelming opinion is that he won't be a Ranger come the New Year. Many seem to think he won't last through November.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:54 pm EST

mf - what's contradictory about it? I agree the Rangers need to add someone with a bit of snarl, but POLAK ain't that guy. He's exactly the opposite. He's a big guy who can hit, but he's also slow. Again, he'd be the slowest guy on the team by a fairly wide margin. And secondly, the guy has almost no offense. If you look at who the Rangers have kept in camp --save for DESJARDINS --they have two things in common: They're fast and they bring offense. SMITH and STAAL not so much, but both can move the puck well. Polak is a one-trick pony. Big hits. That's about it...You take guys like NOLAN and RYCHEL and LIPON...or even MATTEAU...all like to hit. All are swift skaters...decent at the very least...and all can put up at least a modicum of offense. That's the type of player the Rangers need right now. Given that there is at least one spot open up front, that's a logical move for them to make, not getting a guy who would be the eighth defender of nine.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:41 pm EST

again, Toronto leads the league in being over the cap at $4.579 mill over

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:38 pm EST

Hospo: we don't need Holden & his $1.65mill, we have Graves.. Bif "IF" an injury comes to McD / Skjei / or Staal after we trade Holden & Graves can't make the grade, you can slide SMITH over to the left and dress 2 of Deangelo / Pionk / Polak (if we've acquired him) besides, there are planty of LHS D'men the NYR Brass can go out and choose from.... jmon

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:35 pm EST

TD: see your post Mon Oct 2 2017 10:02 am EST..... seems a bit contradictory, I'll reread the 2, but in any event: we need depth at RHS D'men.... Deangelo could catch MDZ freshman year agida, Pionk is still unproven, Zborofskiy ain't making the grade, an injury to Shattenkirk or Smith..... And as not making it on a Toronto squad is concerned, I don't know how mant contracts they have committed to, nor do I know the cap ramifications of a PTO, but I do know that I would not be looking forward to being run into the boards come playoff time by this guy... Bet he'd sign a 1 yr deal at $1mill and we have the cap room to offer

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:32 pm EST

I'd take POLAK.. but I'm fine with either HOLDEN or GRAVES when Del Angelo craps the bed..

Hospo


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:14 pm EST

TD: Re Polak and TO - not what I heard this AM. Also, as I said to mf him being a Ranger regardless of what you and I might think is moot. AV doesn't want that type of d-man on his blueline.

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:10 pm EST

RIP Tom Petty.... :^(

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:08 pm EST

RF/mf - The Leafs said they're not offering him a contract. He's out. And frankly, if he can't make the Leafs' blueline...well...that's very telling. They don't have a very strong group back there.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 3:06 pm EST

POLAK - No thanks. Rangers have finally gotten rid of most of the slow pokes on their blueline. They have five guys who can move and a sixth who ain't exactly too shabby of a skater himself. They've probably got one of the most mobile bluelines in the NHL right now...if not THE most mobile...and it's instantly visible when you see them on the PP...Polak would be, by far, the slowest guy on the team. Would be nice to have a guy who an blast hits and drop the mitts...but a guy like him would undermine the whole focus on speed. NTM...defense really isn't an area the Rangers need to explore upgrades or additional personnel for that matter. They've already got too many bodies back there.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 2:58 pm EST

RF: = No Cup...... I think that last years series against Montreal was the most exciting hockey the Rangers have played since they defeated Pitt in May 2014 when MSL's mom passed away..... Last years Rangers played AV's whistle-2-whistle, Montreal had different thoughts, brought their Playoff Physicality to the competition & guess what? The NYR's adjusted and proved that they were/are battle ready and beat them at their own game... Well heck, it's the Playoffs, tighter ice, up with the physicality, and AV who is getting paid $5mill per didn't bring "it" to the Ottawa series..... And that folks is my most recent considerable beef with this coach, and had we beaten Ottawa and lost to the eventual cup winner the dialogue here would have had a different story.... end of rant, for now :-)

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 2:27 pm EST

I think Gropp is in Hartford. Does not look like much will come of that pick either. The kid is young, but when guys like Carey make the cut instead......you have to wonder.

Bob


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:58 pm EST

BTW, Polak's on a PTO with the Leafs and got into 1 pre-season game (the Leafs final one). He says he's at about 90% ready to go. I think the Leafs will keep him on that PTO for most of this month and then sign him to a 1 year deal. PTOs don't count against the cap. They no doubt have a verbal agreement on this - Polak isn't ready to play so keep him on the PTO to avoid the cap until he's ready to go.

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:56 pm EST

mf: Trust me dude, Polak will never be a Ranger as long as AV is behind the bench.

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:44 pm EST

I think they should pick up Phillpe De Giussepe and Jordan Tootoo..If only because I like their names..

Hospo


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:24 pm EST

TD: me thinks we should try to sign RHS D'man Roman Polak too... The guy is hurt, let him rehab and get into the best shape he can, work him into the lineup slowly as the season wares on...

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:21 pm EST

Rychel: according to cap-friendly he has 1 yr remaining on his ELC @ $863,333 and is eligible to earn "potential performance bonuses" (remember, Toronto leads the league in being over the cap at $4,579 mill over) https://capfriendly.com/teams/mapleleafs

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:01 pm EST

Bob - No real surprise there at all. And frankly, I've never seen anything about HALVERSIEVE that suggests is was, is or ever will be an NHL goaltender. About the highest point I could make for the kid was that he was a pedestrian backup goalie in the WJCs one year. He sucked in TCT. He sucked in Hartford. Hopefully, Greenville will right the ship...but at this point, I think it's safe to say there's no ship to be righted.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 12:58 pm EST

Bob: Is Gropp going with him?!

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 12:50 pm EST

Well Halverson is headed to Greenville. Does not speak well of his pro chances.

Bob


Mon Oct 2 2017 12:16 pm EST

If we could get RYCHEL and LIPON on this team...man...I don't think anyone would worry about toughness anymore.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 12:15 pm EST

Waiver wire is filled up with players I'd take a flyer on...Already mentioned RYCHEL, who is at the top of my list...Strongly doubt he makes it through waivers...and also doubt that he makes it down to 21 or 20 where the Rangers stand...They'd be fools not to take him if he does drop down...but there are others...Tomas JURCO, who is just an immensely talented forward, was waived by Chicago. This guy has hands of silk...would be a perfect fit for third line. I don't know what the hang up is on this guy, but he's certainly worth a claim...he'd be a better fit than CAREY or DESJARDINS...JC LIPON...this is yet ANOTHER guy who the Rangers simply can't afford to pass on. Total sandpaper player. Guy who drives opponents nuts. But he can also score. He'd be a perfect fit for fourth line...believe he also plays the middle too...Ryan MURPHY, who I wanted for years to pluck from Carolina, was cut by the Wild. Would love to keep him as a seventh or eighth defender...much more so then KAMPFER...much higher upside. Righty. Dangerous on the man advantage.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 12:11 pm EST

KERBY RYCHEL..A big power forward with both scoring ability and toughness, he is a factor in front of the opposing goal and in the corners. Is also a willing pugilist, which adds value to his overall package for the NHL...http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10340/stats .... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=82918

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:58 am EST

JAGR - Nine teams down, 22 to go. Good for him. Again, kind of sorry the Rangers wouldn't/didn't throw out a line to him. Would have been great to see him work with the young Czech.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:56 am EST

Rhet0ric - I thought KOVACS was done...that his contract was terminated. And he turns 21 in a month. Can he even play in the WHL? If he IS still Ranger property and headed for an overage year, then that's all very good news.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:45 am EST

ZBOROVSKIY likely headed to Regina. Probably Kovacs too.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:23 am EST

So CRAWLEY is a pleasant surprise...but with the good comes the bad, which is that ZBOROVSKIY is MIA now. Suspect that means he's either getting sent to Greenville or going back to Regina for an overage year.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:14 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay .... No #NYR on waivers today, looks like any move would be tomorrow

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 11:09 am EST

In regards to Ryan Mantha: "The New York Rangers, the team that had drafted him 104th overall in 2014, had reportedly tried to sign him last September, but Mantha never saw enough of an offer to bite. “I just thought I was worth more as a player, and I knew the potential that I had,” he told the Welland Tribune. “For me, it was not a risk, but another opportunity to improve as a hockey player.” I believe it was his foot speed that was the issue with the NYR. That is still an issue for the kid.... Per Sean Patrick Ryan of the Oil Knight blog got a good look at Mantha this year and filed this report on his game: “Mantha is a huge d-man who needs to continue to work on his foot speed. It has certainly got better but still needs more work, especially his acceleration. He looks very stiff, struggles moving laterally. Reminds me a lot of John Scott with his frame and limited agility, though not a really a physical player despite his size. Once he gets going he can skate decent. Just that first step needs to work on. He flat out dominated last year but as an over-ager, and with his size and shot, it is not surprising. His big shot from the point is #1 PP NHL caliber IMO. He is a very smart player too. He was quick to join the rush in the transition game so has good offensive instincts. Excellent passer. Good wrist shot too to go with the big slapper.

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:48 am EST

Sportsnet‏Verified account @Sportsnet ...... The #Leafs prioritized asset management with their roster moves. (@reporterchris)

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:45 am EST

I would have no issues with the Rangers claiming Rychel. Don't see it happening tho - his style is not one AV prefers.

Rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:43 am EST

USA TODAY Sports‏Verified account @usatodaysports..... Jaromir Jagr now has a team to play for, according to a report..... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nhl/2017/10/02/jaromir-jagr-calgary-flames-contract/723104001/

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:41 am EST

JAGR signs with CALGARY....Per the New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers ...... OFFICIAL: #NYR have agreed to terms with defenseman Brandon Crawley on an entry-level contract..... Also per Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay.... With 5 pm ET deadline tomorrow to submit rosters, will be interested in NHL waiver wire today...

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:10 am EST

Kerby RYCHEL on waivers. Here too is another player that would really fit well in this lineup. Rychel has size and plays with an edge. Would be a great add...would be a perfect forward to put on the wing on fourth line or, if CHYTIL gets sent back to Europe or Hartford, on MILLER'S wing...He and Miller would be a nasty duo...C'mon Gorton! Make the claim!! Edged out of NOLAN...Passed on MATTEAU...Grab me some Rychel!

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 10:02 am EST

Still think it would have been a good add for the Rangers to have JAGR II. I'm starting to wonder whether this overarching mandate for speed on this team is prompting the brain trust to make decisions that aren't necessarily prudent. Can't recall the exact quote or who it came from...but it was something to the effect of 'no team ever wins a cup by playing another team's game'...and I'm starting to feel like AV has been overly enamored with the 2015-2016 Penguins...

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 9:58 am EST

RF4L - I was wondering that myself. What I heard...and by no means is this gospel...that the team simply didn't think he was fast enough to play the NHL game. He's a big boy for sure. And after they passed on offering him a contract, he went on to have a very good overage year. I think he would have been worth a contract. Would have signed IVERSON too, who is now toiling in the Kings system. Don't think either will get much more than a cup of coffee in the NHL...but you never know. Mantha could well be a regular.

tdchi


Mon Oct 2 2017 9:47 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ...... If indeed Jagr deal gets done in Calgary, am told it's for $1 million base salary plus another $1 million in attainable bonuses

Rhet0ric


Mon Oct 2 2017 8:48 am EST

Rf you're making the case of the nyr history and what happens with the picks sometimes.

Stevielegs


Mon Oct 2 2017 7:35 am EST

Anyone know why the Rangers elected not to sign Ryan Mantha? The Oilers did and now he's in their top 10 prospects: 7) Ryan Mantha, 21, D Drafted: Fourth round, 104th overall, 2014 (Rangers) Mantha is that late blooming, six-foot-five defenceman whom the Rangers did not sign. The Oilers gave him an Entry Level Contract after a breakout 20-year-old season in Niagara, where Mantha more than doubled his previous numbers with a 17-41-58 campaign. He’s a right shot defenceman with a true cannon and size that makes this a worthwhile project. The nephew of 656-game NHL defenceman Moe Mantha, Ryan has every tool that is required. Could be a sleeper here.

rf4l


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:42 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/01/rangers-still-deciding-where-this-veteran-fits-in-revamped-defense/

mf


Mon Oct 2 2017 1:38 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/02/rangers-arent-breaking-up-this-productive-2016-17-trio/

mf


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:27 pm EST

Yes sorry to hear of Dave Strader's passing. I enjoyed his voice and calls; he loved the game, called it with excitement and down the middle. Just 62; a sad thing.

Nick


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:00 pm EST

Apparently the NY Giants are planning on a 12-game winning streak.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 1 2017 9:56 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun,...... Hearing that the Calgary Flames and Jaromir Jagr's camp are talking tonight. No certainty it happens but it's very possible.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 1 2017 6:30 pm EST

The Devils will sign just about anyone...... Per Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... NJ agrees to terms with forward Jimmy Hayes, who was at camp on PTO. One year deal, $700K.

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 1 2017 6:17 pm EST

Wildcard - Give the Pack some time. I don't want to go out on a limb with them, but GEORGIEV is a very good goalie and they've got a really solid defense...also, they've got a group of AHL journeymen that, once they click, will start putting up points. I'm not handing them the Calder quite yet, but they're not a bad club. Would have been a lot happier if DAY and KOVACS both worked out...but they have plenty of talent down there. I will be surprised if they repeat last year's performance.

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 6:14 pm EST

re: McILRATH - The game has passed him by. No other way to say it. He was a guy who WAS on the fast track to the NHL...was besieged by injuries the year after he was drafted and the year he turned pro...he simply isn't mobile enough to play in the modern NHL and doesn't bring enough to the game otherwise. Like DAY, he's got a very good shot from the point...and everyone here knows about his hitting...but the chasing guys around in the zone...the lack of mobility...those two things equal AHLer...interestingly enough, the Avalanche just cut Duncan SEIMANS, who is essentially their McIlrath...and I suspect the reason was the same...watch for the Stars to bury Jamie OLEKSIAK too...all guys drafted when size was as much of a concern as speed...but now, everything is about mobility...if you can't pinch and skate like the wind, you're probably not going to get much of a shot in the NHL...The saddest part about the McIlrath saga is that there were so many other players the Rangers could have and should have taken...there was more organizational need elsewhere...but at the time, Torts was coach and we had guys like RUPP, BICKEL and PRUST on our roster...He was a continuation of the Tortorellian philosophy of pummeling a team into submission.

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 6:07 pm EST

re: DAY - Sucks, but can't say it's too surprising. The Pack have a lot of D and it makes no sense for him to be skating seventh defender. He's still only 19 and this will give him a chance to dominate juniors, play for the U.S. National Team and then start anew next year, when the future will be a lot clearer for him...I will say this: He didn't look spectacular in the WJSS and he was pretty much a ghost in TCT. I don't know if its because he's focusing more on his defense now or what...but a kid like that...he needs to be at the blueline cranking shots or carrying the puck...and I didn't see him doing either of those things.

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 4:00 pm EST

RF4L—Well there were reasons the kid slipped so far in the draft. I was surprised he was not going to Hartford. As you state........likely an ominous development. Once they send Chytil back......all the youngins will be with other youngins four this season, anyway.

Bob


Sun Oct 1 2017 3:41 pm EST

By LB back in June, let's hope he's right on Day: ""Day is a 6-foot-2, 231-pound lefty WHO PLAYED THE RIGHT SIDE LAST SEASON. HE (DAY) SAID THAT'S BECOME HIS PREFERRED POSITION. If the Rangers would give their kingdom for a horse, it would specifically be for a horse on the right side of the blue line. Nick Holden, whose game slipped dramatically the second half of the season, seems to have a spot, but beyond that, it’s wide open with Brendan Smith still an impending free agent. Anthony DeAngelo, acquired from Arizona in the Derek Stepan deal, and free-agent signees Neal Pionk and Alexei Bereglazov are probably the leading contenders for roster spots. http://nypost.com/2017/06/26/the-exceptional-talent-brewing-who-may-force-way-onto-rangers-radar/

mf


Sun Oct 1 2017 3:32 pm EST

Lol Stevie!

NV94


Sun Oct 1 2017 2:19 pm EST

maybe the pack need a bonding trip too.....the nyr were forced to keep big mac, because they were afraid he would get claimed. he needed another year with the pack because of lost time. they hurt him by keeping him up and hardly playing him. but it's spilled milk and hindsight. he seems to be on the road to complete bust.....the new jessibust, that's why the draft is a crap shoot, and the nyr are not the greatest drafters. they enjoy picking out of the box. guess they think they are smarter than most.....not a lot of proof.....that's why it's no big deal when they trade away picks....the big deal is what they get for them and how they use the players they get......sather doesn't want anyone smarter than himself, because in his genius mind that's impossible....the brain rust needs some wd40.....and sather to retire.....a new owner might help, but doubtful......except to retire sather.....dopey is too busy making the knicks into the lack of knack.....

stevielegs


Sun Oct 1 2017 2:17 pm EST

Bob: Ironically not so much with Day because he's already got 4 years in junior and if he'd progressed as hoped, there'd be nothing left for him to learn going back. I suspect this decision is more about his lack of progress and a concern that he's not ready for even the AHL. From what I've seen this kid has a hockey IQ problem. He's definitely got an impressive assortment of natural assets - big, strong, can skate and handles the puck well. What I see is a good decision followed immediately by a not so good decision. Can he learn? We'll see but common sense suggests working on that is better done against junior level competition vs the AHL. This is an important final year junior year for him I think. If he's still making similar decisions this time next year, he may not go very far professionally.

rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 2:01 pm EST

Can McIlrath wind up back with the NYR's ? I'm rooting for the guy

mf


Sun Oct 1 2017 1:35 pm EST

Sean Day is headed back to juniors. RF4L must be a happy man this morning!

Bob


Sun Oct 1 2017 12:18 pm EST

So far a few teams sniffed at McIlrath and decided that he’s best kept in the minors. Maybe he clears this time and goes to the A where he belongs?

E


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:53 am EST

rf4l: two things. First: I wonder how much a new coach in Hartford is making them look worse right now early on. SECOND: AV had little to nothing to do with McIlrath....he had the same issues in the AHL as the NHL....you like many others are obsessed with blaming the highest level of the team for everything. What the hell did AV do to ruin him? Not let him play poorly? He had a good game AV said so, played him the next where he had a poor game, didn't get played after....thats the way it goes...its the NHL...if you can't handle that as a player, you ruin yourself due to a lack of ability.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:50 am EST

rf4l: I figured it wasn't widely known...the last things really heard were about him being in that accident...but even that was not covered all that much

Wildcard


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:29 am EST

McI has to go on waivers if they don't want him on the team. Too bad AV ruined this kid. Oh well.

rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:09 am EST

McILRATH...back on waivers...Man, Jeff Blashill just wants the Red Wings to turn the other cheek...

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 11:05 am EST

And big deal the Pack lose two pre-season games. Pre-season folks. New coach. New GM. LOTS of new players. They have literally SEVEN guys who started the season with the Pack last year...13 who weren't on the roster at the end of the season...and perhaps most telling, 11 AHL rookies. Here's a hint: That's a lot even for the AHL.

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:57 am EST

Wildcard/Ola - Absolutely awful to hear about KOVACS. Does explain a lot, however. His draft year he was really considered almost a sure-shot to make the NHL. Was kind of surprised when he didn't really do squat in last year's TCT...and chalked up his mediocre year in Hartford to being a youth. Hopefully the kid gets his act together, because it really sucks to watch guys who have so much talent end up imploding because of personal demons. Devone SETOGUCHI comes to mind.

tdchi


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:52 am EST

And yes new pack coach. Let's hope he and Ranger mgmt figure things out: A repeat of last year will not be good.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:50 am EST

Wild...did not know that until ola did his post. Of course what he's apparently going thru is not funny.

Rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:33 am EST

rf4l: On the Kovacs kid, its not laughing matter, he is mightily struggling mentally apparently. Some people around the Rangers org from the pack up have been concerned about his safety. I know it seems like an easy thing to target with the pack not looking good the first couple pre-season games, but there should never be a time when something so serious is taken lightly...so Kovacs should be kept out of it, ads for the Pack....fire away, they have started off terribly....terribly terribly...is this the first year with the new coach? I for some reason can't remember...

Wildcard


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:30 am EST

Ola: He was kept off the cap roster gecsaie he wasn't able to participate and was planning on going home and the team was looking at the options. He was under a contract but they were doing him a favor by not putting him on the roster and putting pressure on him. I heard all this from somewhat behind the scenes...via a guy who retired from the support staff of the pack a few years back, but still of course knows people who work for the team.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:29 am EST

Just on Twitter says Kovacs is on unconditional waivers to be released to go home to Sweden. Hopefully he can get his life in track and get to a good place again. From many reports he was struggling a lot this summer especially once he came across the pond.

Wildcard


Sun Oct 1 2017 10:27 am EST

Dave Strader was a guy that, when you listened to him call a game, you could not tell who the home team was. Back when hockey was on ESPN, I always hoped he had the games where the Rangers were playing. It is classy how the NHL and others honored him while he was still here to receive the honors.

Bob


Sun Oct 1 2017 9:42 am EST

Stars announcer Dave Strader dies at age 62...The Dallas Stars announced on Sunday morning that play-by-play announcer Dave Strader has passed away at the age of 62 following a year long battle with cancer. Strader joined the Stars’ television crew prior to the 2015-16 season. At the conclusion of that season he was diagnosed with cholangiocarcinoma, a form of bile duct cancer. He was limited to just five games in the Stars’ booth during the 2016-17 season, while Stars players honored him during his return. Strader also worked for NBC during the 2017 Stanley Cup Playoffs calling several games. He previously covered several events for the NBC Sports Group including the 2014 and 2006 Olympics. “Everyone who knew him, and everyone who was able to listen to him call games, is saddened to learn about the passing of Dave Strader,” Stars president Jim Lites said in a team statement. “His voice is synonymous with hockey to fans all over the globe and he built a connection for so many fans to this game. More importantly, he was a tremendous husband, father, grandfather and friend and we will miss him deeply. Our sincerest prayers and condolences are directed to his wife Colleen and their entire family.” Back in April it was announced that he was the recipient of the Foster Hewitt Memorial Award for outstanding contributions as a hockey broadcaster. He will be honored at the Hall of Fame in November.

RF73


Sun Oct 1 2017 9:17 am EST

How can Kovacs be awol if he isn't on the camp roster? Kovacs is a talented kid -- but he have some issues. Was involved in a car accident where his friend died this summer, got fines for it recently. http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/a/XKVMo/hockeystjarna-domd-efter-dodsolyckan The kid has spoken about his ADHD issues. Doesn't seem like he is feeling that great right now. Hope he can recover!

Ola


Sun Oct 1 2017 8:55 am EST

He rocks in the tree tops all day long. Hoppin' and a-boppin' and singing his song. All the little birdies on Jaybird Street. Love to hear the robin go tweet tweet tweet....

Vic


Sun Oct 1 2017 8:45 am EST

Maybe that's why Kovacs ran away! Endured that horrid season last year and after seeing nothing has changed said 'phuck this, I'm going home to play hockey'. lol

rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 8:44 am EST

I see the Pack have picked up in pre-season where they left off last year - 2 pre-season games = 2 losses and a combined out-scoring of 9 to 1. LOL.

rf4l


Sun Oct 1 2017 7:41 am EST

A guy named 'robin' you expect creep like that!

_Arc


Sun Oct 1 2017 7:14 am EST

Greg Markiewicz‏ @GMTech924..... Apparently, Robin Kovacs has gone AWOL, wasn't at any practices today, not on the camp roster, just vanished.... #HWP

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 1 2017 7:11 am EST

The Juice is on the loose... again.... USA TODAY Sports‏Verified account @usatodaysports ...... What's in store for O.J. Simpson now that he's released from prison? ....https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2017/09/30/whats-store-o-j-simpson-upon-release-prison/719649001/

Rhet0ric


Sun Oct 1 2017 5:54 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/10/01/rangers-still-deciding-where-this-veteran-fits-in-revamped-defense/

stevielegs


Sat Sep 30 2017 8:45 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello @RickCarpiniello · 2h R.I.P. Monty Hall, 96 ... among other things a New York Rangers radio broadcaster once upon a time.

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:52 pm EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers...... The #NYR family sends our condolences to the family and friends of former Rangers announcer Monty Hall.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:44 pm EST

Wild/Rhet...or a massive hangover from last year. Or Halversieve is on top of his game. Lol

Rf4l


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:27 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah, its the first game of preseason for the group. Also sounds like they had a lot of neutral zone turnovers...so not all on the D I am sure. But that group is a talented bunch of young guys. Should get better over time overall.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:22 pm EST

WILD... I think they gave up two SH Goals and 1 PP Goal so far :) Still, plenty of time to gel.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:16 pm EST

Of course it may not help he has the rookie on with him...first pro game action for Day I think...

Wildcard


Sat Sep 30 2017 7:15 pm EST

Rhet: I thought the same thing about the D. It seems however that they need some work. they are down 4-0 right now...Gilmore however may be part of the issue at a -3.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 30 2017 6:11 pm EST

I so want to see this... That Defense looks amazing!!!!! Per theHartford Wolf Pack‏Verified account @WolfPackAHL..... Pack warmup lines vs. BRI: Schneider-DeSalvo-Catenacci, Puempel-Lettieri-Whitney, Tambellini-Nieves-Kosmachuk, Gropp-Fontaine-Selleck. ..... Defense pairs in warmup for Pack: Graves-Pionk, Bereglazov-Crawley, Day-Gilmour. Halverson starts in net. #HWP

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 30 2017 6:07 pm EST

News flash.... 'Let's Make A Deal' host Monty Hall dead at 96 Monty Hall, the legendary host of "Let's Make a Deal," has died.

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 30 2017 4:04 pm EST

Desjardins still doesn't have a contract so I'm not so sure he's even going to make the team. 13th forwards or not.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 30 2017 2:27 pm EST

Actually, DESLAURIERS would be a pretty good claim. Has size. Is a physical player. Fast. Hasn't really done squat at the NHL level and it concerns me that he seemingly had trouble cracking the Sabres lineup.

tdchi


Sat Sep 30 2017 1:55 pm EST

So Ruff has the PK to work on and Arniel the PP. At least we know what they do now. This is AV's third guy running the D in three years. Not sure how long he can pass the buck on it. They have enough quickness to be aggressive on the PP. Let's see how they use it.

HellsKitchen


Sat Sep 30 2017 12:41 pm EST

This is the best news about Ruff's philosophy: “There are certain changes Lindy wants us to make as far as stick position and where we position ourselves in coverage,” Marc Staal said. “But overall, the emphasis is on being more aggressive at the half-wall and forcing the opposition to make really good plays without time to make them.“The other thing he’s stressing is really short shifts where you sprint to spots, get to the puck and get off the ice. If it’s done right, it’s 20 seconds and off.” Of course, I hope we still have the offensive part of our PK demonstrated by Hayes and Miller last year. And Grabner.

ColoradoMark


Sat Sep 30 2017 11:16 am EST

NIC DESLAURIERS on waivers would be good 12/13th forward, would take him over Desjardins and even Carey although he has played quite well in preseason.

jim9k26


Sat Sep 30 2017 3:35 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/30/rangers-preparing-bag-of-tricks-to-help-beleaguered-power-play/

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 30 2017 12:00 am EST

Last years player stats with the most hits..... Was scrolling down the list & looking for a center for 3rd / 4th line duty..... LA's TREVOR LEWIS is 30.5 y/o, RHS, 6' 200 lbs, has 3 years at $2mill per remaining.... Hockey News states, "ASSETS: Has good speed and two-way instincts. Can line up on either wing or at center in the big league. Is capable of producing good point totals at lower levels. Works very hard. Provides energy, kills penalties and blocks shots...... LEWIS has Kopitar / Jeff Carter / & Toffoli ahead of him on the line-up, any of you West Coast fans get to see Lewis enough to comment on his play? Anyone feel he'd be a good depth addition to the roster? t/y .......................... NHL Stats from last year, worth a look: http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?aggregate=0&gameType=2&report=realtime&pos=S&reportType=season&seasonFrom=20162017&seasonTo=20162017&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=hits

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 6:44 pm EST

Wow.........my how the mighty have fallen.....checking the channels for games and Det are starting in their brand new arena (BEAUTIFUL) against the Leafs ......may be the second biggest rivalry in history..................ONE THIRD full ! Oh my !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Sep 29 2017 5:29 pm EST

I suspect the only reason the canucks jettison V is if they deem him a bust.

Rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 5:21 pm EST

Irving moofman not sure what you said, I skip your posts.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 5:10 pm EST

CANUCKS have already released UPSHALL..It looks like he is back in negotiations with the BLUES for a return to St. Louis after their injuries

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 4:42 pm EST

I think you could do far worse than UPSHALL, but I don't really see him being what this team needs, per se. I know that's sort of reversing my opinion from before...but just the direction of this team...I don't think he works...Jake VIRTANEN, however...he's had a pretty good camp though...and will likely make the Canucks. Doubt they're going to back away from that one.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 4:10 pm EST

Scottie Upshall turns 34 this coming week and could probably be had for a song..... Perfect pest, with plenty of experience, but can he play whistle-2-whistle? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/2652

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 4:08 pm EST

When StLegs post's, Wallster's listen.....

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 4:00 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello‏ @RickCarpiniello 1h1 hour ago More Puempel cleared waivers -- zero surprise -- and was assigned to Hartford by NYR

stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:59 pm EST

nys assvipe gives them distemper shots before training camp....rinse and repeat....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:27 pm EST

That's alright. We have Zuuc to do the policing out there. No worries. I am always amazed at the lack of toughness or more specifically snarl on the Rangers...

NYStranger


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:17 pm EST

the nyr will decide on churtle cheeto by his game 9....not today.....maybe sooner if he's the next tgo.....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 2:55 pm EST

E - JT, Kreider and Smith isn't much IMWO...especially when Kreider only does it when he feels like it despite being a physical beast....It's good to have somebody riding shot gun for a high skill kid if only a little while when he gets acclimated...Like the Oilers did with McDavid and Lucic in the beginning...You breathe on McDavid. Lucic was all over you..Set a tone of response early...and then you could move on to a more talented linemate

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 2:41 pm EST

JT, Chris Krieder, and Smith are out there on the ice. I’m not worried in so far as toughness at least by today’s NHL standards. Smith is a little unhinged at times and he has shown himself to go after anyone. I mean he went after Chara. And against Perry in Anaheim once he was getting out of line he went right after him. And JT went after Weber. So, Cheeto is fine out there. But he’s going to have to take his lumps like any young potential “offensive threat” player out there. Reminds me of Tomas Hertl. He had a lot of sizzle and he always had toughness on the ice with him but he ended up getting wrecked. Took him time to get his bearings again. Welcome to the nhl.

E


Fri Sep 29 2017 2:23 pm EST

Scottie UPSHALL released from his PTO in Vancouver.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 2:11 pm EST

Supposedley the Blues are looking at JAGR after two forwards went down for awhile (and Fabbri for the year)...I think he could help any team..

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:51 pm EST

mf: There's no muscle on any line, save perhaps for Miller and Kreider who aren't exactly heavyweights. This team under AV has never been very physical (save for last year's opening round PO for whatever reason) but this edition seems even less so. I mean Chytil takes a heavy hit from Gudas this week and who addresses it? The 2nd smallest guy on the team. Ridiculous but we've been having this debate on here for eons.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:44 pm EST

mf - that's EXACTLY what I said last year. Gonna keep my mouth shut...

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:43 pm EST

Huh. Wonder what team would have a young and impressionable Czech on the roster: andystrickland Andy Strickland Jaromir Jagr's agent tells me he's currently talking with three #NHL teams.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:38 pm EST

Vic- Cool. So I missed this years deadline? My bad!

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:09 pm EST

The Pack may be a fun team to watch this season

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:09 pm EST

RF: Not sure if we're on the "same point." Regarding BUCH, I want to see offensive production and low liability on the defensive side of the game... I want to see him excell on the PP too.. I am not worried about him handling the physical side of the game.... Chytil worries me, we don't need him concussed, I'd rather write off the season than put the kid in harms way, I'll just go root for the Jamaican Bob-sled team, "do they take a knee?" .... So Chytil between Nash & Zucc and who is the muscle on that line? exactly! And when someone takes liberties with 6'4" 220 lb Rick Nash, or 5'7" 175lbs Zucc who's coming to the rescue? No sir, Nash / Chytli / Zucc doesn't work for me at ES, and if you want to go with zero RHS forwards on the PP I'm for it.... Remove Zucc, insert Miller..... Oy Carumba

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 1:04 pm EST

Well that mystery is solved: WolfPackAHL Hartford Wolf Pack 3m The @NYRangers have assigned Matt Puempel to the Wolf Pack. bit.ly/2x2eEju

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:57 pm EST

RF4L - You and I are in TOTAL agreement on CHYTL..I agree that the Rangers just don't want him for 9 games,,..Not after screwing up the Center position like they did in the offseason, they want CHYTL to be the answer all year....I think it's an idiotic expectation...What they are likely to do is give CHYTL the plum spot Between Nash and whoever and just ask him to play Offense..and put him on every PP..He may just succeed and be productive and the Rangers will run with it...AGain, another bad idea because the kid needs alot of work on his entire game (and self preservation tactics) and will hit the Wall big time..I'd rather it happen right out of the gate and not 3 months into a lost season..JMWO of course..

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:57 pm EST

mf: For me Buch looks like he's already quite aware of making himself vulnerable to big hits. I think it's partially why he can be an adventure in his own zone - so busy avoiding possible body contact, he gives up space when battling for loose pucks.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:53 pm EST

Lettieri sure looks like he'd be one of the 1st call ups of the forwards, just like Graves on the D... The fact that he's a RHS adds to it, Z'bad & Fast are the only other RHS forwards, have fun analyzing your PP with 1 RHS player (a D'man)......... Chytil, Chytil, Chytil, I'm more concerned with Buch, Buch, Buch, get this kid firing on more cylinders this team is going to be that much harder to defend against

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:53 pm EST

On CHYTIL getting sent down - Gotta say I disagree. The Rangers seem to be putting him in a place to succeed...He's playing in between two of the most talented guys on the team(NASH and ZUCC)...and that's a line where he showed very good chemistry in preseason. Certainly, he could fall flat on his face out of the blocks...but unless he's getting manhandled or showing signs of deterioration, I think he's here to stay...I suppose there's Avenue B too, which is that they decide there's someone better suited for the roster spot in Hartford or on the trade market...just a hypothetical...say the Rangers are able to land ATHANASIOU for picks and prospects...could see them sending Chytil back, since he'd then be bumped to a bottom line and less minutes...Supposed too they could end up with MILLER in the middle, which would open up a spot on wing for a Pack player on the bottom line and a spot on third for VESEY.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:47 pm EST

MF: I'm going to go out on a limb and make the prediction that the Rangers do not make a trade for a Center this year. I just don't think it will happen unless there is a major injury to ZBAD, HAYES or DEHARNAIS.

Vic


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:45 pm EST

mf: As much as I disagree with it, I genuinely believe the Rangers are hoping Chytil can stay beyond the 9 game mark. That said, especially given their willingness to send Andersson back, I also believe that they won't hesitate to send Chytil back if things don't go as well as they are hoping. So for me, 2 concerns remain: 1) Will he get hurt in his up to 9 game real-time NHL audition? I know I'm harping on it but he most definitely made himself vulnerable to big hits in those 2 Flyer games. And that's pre-season. It'll only ramp up starting next week. 2) How many games will he be pressboxed for as the Rangers avoid the 10 games played mark? There's been plenty of examples across the league where the season is well past the 1/3 mark and teenagers still haven't played 9 games. That to me is just silliness. If they are too afraid to put a kid in the lineup game in and game out, then send the kid back. So contradictory. So wrong. In the end, another interesting mini-story to watch unfold.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:43 pm EST

TD: Yeah, that was my thinking as well. My bet is that he is back up before Christmas and in a regular role. I don't care that he wasn't drafted. He has developed into a guy that looks to be a difference maker in all 3 zones.

Vic


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:40 pm EST

TD: Agreed with the Letteri post. Unless he falls off the table in Hartford (or gets hurt) he'll be recalled and probably sooner vs later.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:39 pm EST

Rangers are playing poker, keeping Chytil here for 9 games is good for the kids experience,he gets to go on the class trip to Lake Placid, get some NHL games under his belt, and serves as a decoy so the Rangers don't look so desperate as they try to land a center by game #9.... The league GM's aren't stupid though, they'll see right through the bluff.... quack quack

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:37 pm EST

Vic - I was a bit surprised too, re: LETTIERI. Though I wasn't as high on him, I thought for sure he earned a spot. Played as good as CAREY...but if you think about it, that spot in the roster is on borrowed time. FAST is already skating. And when he comes back, Carey becomes the 13th forward...unless, of course, CHYTIL gets farmed out or sent back to the Czech Republic...but we're talking a month down the road from then. Good chance the entire landscape has changed...the point being that it's better for Lettieri to get top-line and PP minutes in the AHL than to get 10 or 12 minutes or fourth line. There's no way he would have made it onto the PP or even the PK. Rangers are simply too deep.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:33 pm EST

Trivia: Duncan SIEMANS, the 11th overall pick in the 2011 draft, was just put on waivers by the Avalanche...He was among the guys they got for SHATTENKIRK.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:09 pm EST

I have no problem with them keeping the kid around. I also expect him to be farmed out after 9 games. if that does not happen........then I would be concerned. Of course, all it costs them is a year of his entry level contract. He can go to Czech and come back, just like Andersson could.

Bob


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:08 pm EST

So, I was traveling yesterday when the moves went down. I was surprised LETTIERI was sent down but I think that had more to due with not having options on CAREY. If LETTIERI continues to play like he did in camp he will be busting the door down soon. As for the D it seems clear to me that the Rangers will be trading HOLDEN very soon, most likely for a draft pick.

Vic


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:06 pm EST

TD: Maybe. I just am very opposed to forcing teenagers, especially those just drafted, in the NHL unless very exceptional. I find Chytil to be extremely inexperienced and very young. Hopefully, worrying about nothing and he'll either do well or get farmed out before 10 games.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 12:04 pm EST

HHH: add me to the welcome-back wagon list. Where were you? Everything ok?

Vic


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:59 am EST

A belated Welcome Back HHH..we're gonna have to make more trades!! ANy Ranger I get, you can have...

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:55 am EST

Thanks MF and TDCHI

HamiltonHellhound


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:46 am EST

HHH: Welcome Back!

mf


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:42 am EST

CM: You tied for 1sr place. Three way tie. Http://rfccjc.com

Vic


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:40 am EST

Hey RF4L, things are good. Hope the same for u. Will be in NYC for the Preds game Oct 21st

HamiltonHellhound


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:36 am EST

Did anyone ever respond to my post about the prediction/question page for the Wall? I am too lazy to search, but I will if it is already been posted! I never checked to see how awful I did last year!

ColoradoMark


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:35 am EST

C'mon RF...You're splitting hairs bigtime if you say there's a huge difference between the mental makeup of an 18-year-old and a 20-year-old...even in hockey...and that's beside the point. Would SAARELA have made the Rangers? Probably not. Like I said, he got beat out by several guys that DESJARDINS probably would have beaten out. I have no way of knowing for sure, since I didn't see any Carolina games in pre-season, much less Saarela...Also, I want to point out that despite his quick start, this kid put up goose eggs in the playoffs...Not saying I wouldn't want him back on this team or that I wouldn't undo that trade if I could...but maybe the Rangers saw something that the rest of us didn't.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:29 am EST

Also want to point out again that the NY Post was wrong...again...as usual...That paper is seriously awful. I'm no fan of Tortorella, but he was right to treat them like garbage.

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:27 am EST

....AND...the award goes to Rhet0ric: Indeed, PUEMPEL is safe. Passed through waivers. My two questions are 1. Was he assigned to Harford? I noticed yesterday that ETEM, who was on waivers from Arizona, was kept with the team. I assume he was..but...2. Now that he's been through waivers, doesn't this mean they can recall/demote him for 30-plus days(or is it games?)without having to put him through waivers again?

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 11:08 am EST

I didn't know The Pimple had a tenure???

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 10:47 am EST

My post was in response to Brett Cyrgalis Post article "Paul Carey just put this Ranger's tenure in jeopardy." The player he was talking about was Puempel and the possibility onf losing him on waivers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 29 2017 10:21 am EST

Vesey on the 4th line. LOL. Good way to build up the kid's confidence going into the start of the season. Gawd, I won't be upset when we've seen the last of AV and his inexplicable roster choices, not to mention his adoration of whistle to whistle turn the other cheek hockey.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 10:16 am EST

Steve Zipay ? @stevezipay NYR showing same lines as yesterday, with Vesey, Desharnais, Carey and Desjardins rotating on fourth..........Gonna be an aggravating year...Wouldn't have it any other way..Just gonna have to wait for the new shiny toy lust to subside..

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:52 am EST

RF4L - And after 10 games, centering a line with MZA..Gonna have to get a Larger large screen TV to watch that..:).

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:43 am EST

Is Las Vegas #1 on waiver list ? I assume they will be tanking, so why bother claiming, unless they need help doing it....and buttman will make sure they get the #1 pick in the lottery... and comped at the hotel of his choice....unlimited chips included....

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:38 am EST

Here's some more limbing: Day-R-Nay will be on the 1st PP unit within 5 games.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:35 am EST

My out on the limb....Del Angelo and Chytly will be off the roster within 10 games..With Chytl, hope it's not injury related...

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:30 am EST

Ooops...sorry

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 9:30 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/28/rangers-roster-comes-into-view-with-rookie-breakthrough-shelving/

Hospo


Fri Sep 29 2017 8:42 am EST

HhH: Welcome back dude. Where have you been? Trust all's ok at home?

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 8:41 am EST

Wow Rhet, you do take crazy chances, don't you?! ;^)

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 8:25 am EST

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Matt Puempel is pretty safe.

Rhet0ric


Fri Sep 29 2017 7:20 am EST

TD: My thoughts on kids over 20 differs from kids just 18. There's a difference in physical and mental maturity there that can have a significance impact on how a player handles adversity.

rf4l


Fri Sep 29 2017 7:01 am EST

RF4L - You certainly won't heard from me that the STAAL deal was good. I was always high on SAARELA...liked him even more when he won the gold at the WJCs...but your point...is...well...wrong...Who is projected to start in the lineup instead of Saarela? Josh JOORIS, the 27-year-old journeyman. They also have 30-year-old Derek RYAN starting his second year in the NHL and Lee STEMPNIAK(no descriptor necessary) in the lineup. I won't even get into some of the younger guys that beat out Saarela(NORSTROM, DiGUISEPPE, and McGINN...all low ceiling players)...mind you, they still have three other rookies in camp too...I mentioned Saarela because I was really surprised he didn't beat out at least ONE of those guys...Now this is what really confuses me: In my estimation, there were at least two guys who beat out CAREY for a spot: CHYTIL and LETTIERI --both rookies. And Carey beat out ANDERSSON...by a long stretch, mind you. So Lettieri goes to Hartford and Andersson goes to Sweden...presumeably because they are both young and the Rangers don't want to rush them in to a spot that is inevitably temporary...Carey will be on the bench the second Jesper FAST is off the IR...so with one exception(Chytil), the Rangers in their cuts essentially did exactly what you keep calling on them to do: They traded 'an aging vet' for youngsters, they sent the youngest of the two back home to develop in a lower league, and they placed the lion's share of their prospects in the AHL to grow, since there really is no roster spot for them and most, if not all of them, would be down there anyway in a month...now it's all speculative...but if Saarela was still Ranger property, what are chances he'd have a spot in the lineup? Look over the guys who beat him out and do you really think he would be starting for the Rangers this year and not in Hartford?

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 6:40 am EST

Welcome back 3H!

tdchi


Fri Sep 29 2017 4:46 am EST

I'm back, hey kids, long time no talk. Hope everyone is doing well. LGR

HamiltonHellhound


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:59 am EST

When jasper the friendly ghost quickie fast comes back , I think churtle cheetos will be sent somewhere. ... hopefully Hartford....

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:56 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/28/rangers-roster-comes-into-view-with-rookie-breakthrough-shelving/

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:53 am EST

I wonder when they are going to delete the daily news headlines from 2 years ago on the main page...

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:52 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/29/paul-carey-just-put-this-rangers-tenure-in-jeopardy/

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 29 2017 3:21 am EST

Need more e f Hutton and cowbell.... relax on the lines assvipe is getting his line generator updated for 2017. They might be set by 2018 , but highly doubtful. He thinks that's coaching along with gum chewing. Next up the real 82 game preseason and checkmark. ... is anybody listening? .... let's have a meeting and watch videoed , then talk about it ..... meet the new pp same as the old pp.... they don't need no stinking practice....,give zucchini the A he deserves.....are they going to show highlights of their bonding, James Bond , shaken not stirred....?....

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:15 pm EST

OLA: check this out: http://koenigsegg.com/

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:59 pm EST

RF4L... You don't have to tell me. When the trade was made I didn't care at all about the picks, I only cared that we gave up Saarela. I have been hoping since that he'd turn out to be a bust :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:54 pm EST

Rhet: Yes, agreed. My point was the point I've been making for like 5 years: Trading away picks and prospects compromises your feeder system to the point where AHL veterans can make the team. It's a clear indication of how depleted the feeder system is. Saarela is simply another young asset recklessly traded away over the past 5 or 6 years.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:51 pm EST

I should re-phrase: You don't jerk around a young player like that, but for a Carey or Puempel, it's a few more glorious moments in the sun :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:46 pm EST

RF4L... Now I get you. Carey will go to the bench within the next couple of weeks(or less) when Fast comes back. You don't jerk around a young forward like that or make him your 13th forward when he comes back either. It was either going to be Carey or Puempel that they jerked around and Carey was the better of the two.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:29 pm EST

Rhet...there are 2 29 year old journeymen on the Rangers roster currently - one is the guy you think I'm referring to (Kampfer) and the other the guy I am referring to (Carey).

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:17 pm EST

RF4L... I am not talking about Saarela, he's not even NYR property. You went from bitching about him to bitching about Kampfer. I'm trying to understand your logic?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:12 pm EST

Rhet: Huh? Saarela is a forward (listed officially as a center). No E Staal trade and he's a Ranger and possibly be on the team instead of Carey. Not to mention what assets could be in the system from those 2 2nd rounders. The fact that Saarela was included in that deal reeks of Sather - not dissimilar to coughing up 2 firsts for MSL.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:56 pm EST

or 7th D for that matter.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:45 pm EST

RF4L... Your make some pretty strange leaps in logic at times. What exactly does one thing have to do with the other? We are never going to make a 20 year old defenseman our 8TH D. A journeyman defenseman is exactly who you make the designated bench warmer.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:34 pm EST

Saarela scored 6 goals in 9 AHL games last year in what I can only assume what a late season thing. Abbreviated sample size but impressive nonetheless. He keeps those numbers up he'll be in the NHL by Xmas at the latest. Another stupid trade courtesy of the Rangers - gawd, no wonder a 29 year old AHL journeyman made the team this year. Geesh....

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:22 pm EST

TD... They sound disappointed in him. They can have Holden for him and we'll take him back.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:13 pm EST

Bit of a surprise: Aleksi SAARELLA, the young Finn drafted by the Rangers who was moved in the Eric STAAL deal, was cut today by the Canes. He ripped up the AHL when he arrived from overseas late last season. Figured he'd be a shoe-in to be embarrassing the Rangers this season.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:53 pm EST

BTW, Andrew Desjardins is still with the team, so until Fast comes back, I guess he's our 13th forward? Steven Fogarty is also still with the team as he was injured.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:31 pm EST

mf - Regretfully, I haven't found a very good source for AHL streams outside of actually paying for the AHL service, which used to suck balls. I've heard it's improved, but there wasn't much else it could do from where it was a couple years back. Occasionally, you can find links to games on reddit. But not reliably.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:05 pm EST

oy vey, Hari Carey!

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:00 pm EST

...or Carey just stays as the 13th Forward.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:51 pm EST

So.... Kreider-ZBad-Buchnevich..... Nash-Chytil-ZUC..... Grabner-Hayes-Miller.... Vesey-Desharnais-Carey.... Were the lines at practice today.... Apparently Vesey pee'd in someones cornflakes... apparently Carey will go down when Fast comes back. The 4th line is a little problematic IMO. If Chytil is going to be here, I prefer him being the 2nd line Center. Hopefully he doesn't get his clock cleaned in the process.... I like DeAngelo with Staal. Staal can be the defensive anchor(and I literally mean anchor) he needs while he attacks in the O' Zone... The 4th defensive pairing was Holden/Kampfer.... yeahhh, who cares?

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:26 pm EST

John Houseman ain't got nothing on me!

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:08 pm EST

So Smith-Barney's a Ranger Fan now, ay? Keep this sh_t up and Kitchen1 liable to give you a gold star. ;-)

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:04 pm EST

I don't like the thought that KAMPFER is on the team either...but....to be objective, thought he had a good (not great) pre-season from the outset and said so..He earned a spot on the team EASILY the old fashined way, he earned it...Just like Carey did....Just like Chytl did despite me not wanting him.....Just like I thought Graves did...Anyway, Kampfer is perfect to sit around for a week or a month or two months as insurance while the kids PLAY ALOT and get better..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:01 pm EST

mf: With Holdens name out there so much over the summer, I wonder if the offers were really low. If so maybe let him stick around a bit until another team has an injury or a young guy falls flat on his face and if that happens the offers may sneak up a bit. Just musing about it...I really thought he was going to be traded this summer.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 28 2017 5:34 pm EST

TD, yes you have.... Monday Oct 1 is the last day of pre-season so maybe we will see some trade activity..... As for Holden, if we can't trade Staal (and we can't) what do we need Holden for..... Center / Wing / RHS D'man: well if we can't land a center (one who fits the bill and pushes Chytil down a year, and, if we can't find a wing that will add the grit AND AV will play, might as well try to sign a good RHS D'man..... If a LHS D'man gets hurt we have options up the wazoo including shifting Smith back to the Left Hand Side......

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 5:25 pm EST

mf - Keep tellin' ya bud...your info on the Hawks is all off. Their D is as follows: KEITH, SEABROOK, MURPHY, FORSLING, and KEMPNY, with several rooks vying for the sixth spot. And NTM, I thin FRANSON is still in their camp.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 5:21 pm EST

Wildcard - I get it. But KAMPFER right now is the 8th defender. And I'm sorry, but there's almost ZERO chance the guy gets claimed on waivers. The only reason they'd need a guy like him in the first month of the season is...well...there is no reason. He was outplayed by GRAVES and PIONK...he's streaky...cool one minute, a disaster the next...even if, in the rare event they DO trade HOLDEN, they STILL have six D. And something like 10 of the first 13 games are at home, so if someone is feeling a little injured or under the weather? Boom. One-hour train ride from Hartford. No reason to have him on the roster. No reason to carry eight defenseman, especially when you have a pair ready to go.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:48 pm EST

Vescey on the 4th line?!?!?! I needed a good laugh.

melvillefred


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:15 pm EST

td: Also he may end up the 7th if Holden is shopped.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:13 pm EST

td: On Kampfer don't forget, he is going to ride pine a lot....dont want a young D doing that. Could be that if there is an injury and they are not on a western trip, that they will call up Graves or someone to fill in (especially if its more than a one game thing) and Kampfer will still sit. You need the extra guy, he is cheap, and isn't going to be hurt by being sat for long stretches...and with the kids not needing waivers may as well let them play in a top 4 in the AHL. I at least hope thats the reasoning behind this.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:53 pm EST

TRADERATOR: Chicago is a mere $35,000 over the cap, but I believe that they “Currently” only have 4 Dmen from last season on the roster as RHS Rozsival is injured, may have been a concussion…. They have RHS Seabrook & Murphy & LHS Keith & Kempny .......... We have Holden, Bereglazov, Pionk, Deangelo, Zborofskiy, and $3 mill in cap room; question is, “GORTON,” is there a trade there?

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:52 pm EST

Thanks, Hospo. Well, I've been the guy saying that I wanted to see Miller-Hayes-Grabner on a consistent basis. So, I guess I can't complain! :)

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:20 pm EST

Ranger47 - ZIPPAY, from practice or camp, had the 4th line as Vesey-Desharnais-Carey

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:12 pm EST

Oh the most physical Ranger now is the new assistant coach...

Rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:10 pm EST

Did I miss something regarding it being announced that Vesey would be playing on the 4th line? I just assumed they planned to put Grabner on the 4th line and Vesey in the top 9 (probably with Nash since they played together last year).

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:09 pm EST

Ranger47 - Could be...Problem is D'Angelo shouldn't be sitting..nor should he be playing in the NHL right now..I hope they keep HOLDEN for a few months

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:05 pm EST

Seems to me that they did not send D'Angelo down to the Pack to get playing time (and kept Kampfer as a #8) is because they expect to be trading Holden soon and moving D and K up to #'s 6 and 7....

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 2:24 pm EST

From MF - "On the line configurations does it not make sense to have Kreider, Miller, Vesey all on different lines so that any grit and protection we do have is spread across as many lines as possible"..I know the Rangers were physical enough in the POs last year but, don't you think there is a need for a little more grit and phyiscality uo front if they are the guys that have to provide it AND we lost guys like Giradi, Glass and Linnderg and maybe even HOLDEN all who, at least, played physical in the POs? I'd add some.....

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 2:10 pm EST

with 3,6,9 sets of eyes from this Wall worried about Chytil getting concussed, "there is something to substantiate the concern" ... anyone happen to watch Lettieri close? (even the announcers mentioned this) Letteri scans the ice before he puts his head down to control the puck, he has a good awareness of where the players are ( Zucc too probably born out of survival) ..... I hope some of this rubs off on Chytil........ On the preseason cuts, This line-up is smack of AV-whistle-2-whistle, where's Lindy Ruff Ruff? Chytil & Deangelo (flashbacks of MDZ's 60 foot breakout pass every time he touches the puck come to mind, geez I hope not) ………………… On the line configurations does it not make sense to have Kreider, Miller, Vesey all on different lines so that any grit and protection we do have is spread across as many lines as possible?

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:50 pm EST

TD: can you offer any venues to watch Wolfpack games on? t/y

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:40 pm EST

Yeah, don't be pinning any hopes on ANDERSON quite yet. Another case of "sources" getting it wrong: '“I should stress it didn’t come directly from Anderson’s camp,” began Friedman. “I heard about it. I was working on it. The agent just sent me a text saying he wasn’t going to talk about it. Initially the team, I sent a note through their communications staff saying I was hearing it, would anybody talk about it. Initially they didn’t. And then after I wrote the piece they came back and said that’s not our information and besides, we’re not looking to trade him.'

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:26 pm EST

Josh Anderson is a big kid & a RHS... attached are his career stats. the 1st & 2nd thing which comes to mind are 1) did he score at the lower levels because he was bigger & stronger than the competition & can he translate that to the NHL 2) we still need a center over a wing .......... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9282/stats

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:24 pm EST

td: Forgot to give you my email address (Duh!) - mbretired@aol.com. Thanks!

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:10 pm EST

TD: could it also have been "THE" reason that the Rangers didn't get past the 2nd round of the PO's?

mf


Thu Sep 28 2017 1:09 pm EST

The Rangers are indeed set up for a fast start with q10 of the first 13 games at home...OTOH, I think teams will have learned from last year how to combat the Rangers breakout and long passes that bamboozled everybody in the first few months last year...OTTh, maybe this is where SHATT and an improved SKJEI come into play..I'm really psyched to see more of SKJEI skating the puck out..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 12:54 pm EST

TDCHI _ totally disagree on KAMPFER but that's been beaten to death...As for the VESEY thing, I understand about having 4 quasi-equal lines or rolling 4 lines....but the Rangers 4th line with Carey and Desharnais? Yuck.....it is a 4th line..and will likely contribute little...My main beef is that I think Vesey can contribute m orethan Buch (and CHytly)on the top 3 lines...I'd rather have Buch on the 4th and use him some on the PP....JMWO...And yes, this team will likley be like last year (and the year before)..quick and fast, will do well in open ice early in the season..then flounder the last two months when things get tighter..Unless changes are made mid-season..But that's getting way ahead....

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 12:33 pm EST

Hospo - The point of Vesey on fourth is that there is no traditional fourth line per se. If this is how the Rangers roll into the season, then I could almost guarentee he ends up with 14-plus minutes a night. AV is clearly looking for four balance lines and three balanced D pairings. It's a smart thing to do in the NHL...and it was a major reason the Rangers came out with a blast last season.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 12:30 pm EST

Well Matteau cleared...not surprised...Cerney saying there's a good chance PUEMPEL gets claimed...and given the waiver wire today, I'd agree. Still can't believe we're keeping a POS like KAMPFER for no other reason than to warm the eighth spot. Guy did nothing to earn a spot on this team, other than be expendable.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:45 am EST

In addition to the weakness at C, one thing I don't like about the CURRENT lineup is the relegating of VESEY to 4th line...Think he's a much better NHL player right now then BUCH (as well as CHTYLY).. But Rangers want that shiny offensive talent it seems and not the complete game..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:35 am EST

I would have liked to keep Farnham around over Carey, just because he is noticeable and could distract the other team. But Carey definitely has more skill and he is under contract. Glad Lias is in Sweden. CHYTIL will get a 9 game tryout, but I'm not sure he will stick. I would have sent DeAngelo down, but if he plays regularly with Staal over Holden then that is fine as well. PUEMPEL really wanted to stay, even where he tried to show he was willing to fight. Too bad AV couldn't care less about that.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:22 am EST

RF4L - I think half the WALL was predicting the same thing on the firsts..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:20 am EST

RF4L _ we agree on the forward situation wholeheartedly, but differ on Staal-D'angelo (or will it be HOLDEN)...I expect total disaster from that pair...the other two pairs should be god though..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:18 am EST

BTW, I still standby my prediction about the 2 firsts: One has already been sent back and the other I suspect will go before he reaches the 10 game mark, perhaps timed with Fast's return. Of course, if he lights it up that changes everything. I just hope the coaches are in his ears telling him to 'keep your damn head up boy!!'.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:18 am EST

TDCHI - I never saw Matteu in juniors..Only in NHL exhibition and reg season games....It sounds, from your description, like he became a totally differtent player in the NHL..There can be many reasons for this but I don't think it's a headache the Rangers need..But, I agree that picking him for Hartford would be a no lose gamble.

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:14 am EST

I also understand that it's likely this isn't the final roster for opening night..or for two weeks into the season....But I can't comment on an unknown future...Durin jUly and August, mayn countered my worries about Center with the thought that Rangers would make a deal for a Center by Season's start....It can still happen and I hope to god the Rangers are trying..but don't know how likely it is........And, while I may not agree wit TDCHI on MATTEAU, there is a defeinte need for some size and aggravation in the 10th-13th forwards..Not getting the Gordos forward picks...

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:13 am EST

I've no idea what to expect from this current collection of Rangers. I think Chytil is over-matched and a massive concussion waiting to happen. I'm not sold on Z and Hayes as 1 and 2; wasn't enamoured with Stepan and Z in those roles but this is a step backwards although I fully understand why Stepan had to go and this comment isn't meant as a complaint about the trade. Chytil and Day-R-Nay as 3 and 4 centres is almost as underwhelming as Z and Hayes as 1 and 2. For sure, the weakest part of the Ranger roster - to me force-feeding a kid who just turned 18 is more than enough evidence of that. The 3rd d pairing of Staal and DeAngelo is concerning although unlike some on here, I like DeAngelo. Great with the puck, can skate and is probably the nastiness player a lineup that otherwise isn't very nasty at all. In the pre-season game I say Staal play in, he looked slow - hopefully just a veteran finding his legs. All that said, there is speed in this lineup and scoring ability. Tough read for me.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:13 am EST

Hospo - haha...maybe...Don't matter, cuz it's never gonna happen anyway...Matteau's problem...and this is a head-nod to RF4L, is that he got rushed into the league. Anyone who saw him play in the WJCs would tell you: Kid has talent, has snarl, has NHL potential...BUT...he's got a lot of warts. The Devils ignored this for whatever reason...it was the strike-shortened season, if I'm not mistaken...and they immediately rushed him into the NHL...played him sparingly...didn't give him a real role...and then case him back to Albany, where he languished for two years. He told a colleague of mine that his demotion really messed with his head...never could get back into the groove. I've seen plenty of him, and 'lazy' never really struck me as his MO. Undisciplined? Most certainly.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:04 am EST

TDCHI _ agree on ANDERSON..Just have never seen Matteau deliver that game in his NHL chances..Maybe just like his Father, he needs some serious motivation and riding (like Keenan did) to get it out of him...??

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 11:02 am EST

Wow...some good..some bad..Some expected..some unexpected..Bottom Line - The 2017-018 Rangers are fucked down the middle...Both ZBAD and HAyes are out of place...Mistake to keep CHYTL but AV killed all the options with not wanting MILLER there..CHTYL will be used and a defensive liabilty as the season goes along..And likely will get hurt the way he plays....Beofre that, will his offense be enough to counter his limitations? It better be.....Good that ANDERSSON is given another year of development..it will be bettter for him and the team ....Like it would have been for CHYTL.......Good to see FARNHAM gone......Good to see LETTERI (no prob if he made the team) and PIONK in the minors for some more seasoning and mid season call up......D'ANGELO is a mistake..too weak positionally and physically..Could use more time..and no way should be a sitting 7th D-man...GRAVES was better but he shouldn't be sitting either......CAREY and KAMPFER both totally earned their CURRENT spots as extras on the team..but if a long term answer is needed probably should be jumped over...The invisble Dog named BOO? Please do something in Hartford to make it worthwhile to even be considered...Desjardins was even more invisible, if that's possible..so hope he isn;t on the team....WAIVER WIRE please,...

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:58 am EST

Hospo - because I really want to avoid another season of belly aching about this team being so soft. Matteau would be a move to change that...And he fits. So would Anderson.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:51 am EST

MATTEAU has been nothing but an insignificant lazy turd in his NHL chances--and why he couldn't stick with NJ or Montreal...Don't understand the allure..

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:50 am EST

DESJARDINS isn't Ranger property. Chance they sign him, but he's skating as an extra. Unless CHYTIL lays a major egg, he's our third-line center. Lines today: Kreider-Z-Buch, Nash-Chytil-Zucc, Grabs-Hayes-Miller, Vesey-Desharnais-Carey...Fast and Desjardins skating as extras...McD-Shatty, Skjei-Smith, DeA-Staal, Tradebait-waiverwire.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:45 am EST

OK, Gorton...here's your shot to make me happy: CLAIM MATTEAU! Never gonna happen, but I got my fingers crossed for the next 15 minutes!

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:40 am EST

I bet Chytil plays 9 games and is sent back to Europe also.

Bob


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:39 am EST

Desjardins is still in the picture? Wow. AV does not like veterans much. I was hoping that Boo would be able to get a sniff. I am glad that they sent Lias back to Sweden, but I would have rather seen him in Hartford. Guess that Chytil beat him out. So say hello to Desharnais as your 3rd line Center. Yikes!

Bob


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:34 am EST

Who's left on the forward lines. At least 1 of the 1st rounders is farmed out. Chytil needs to be next. More cuts to come I assume? 25 players in camp now if I am reading correctly.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:33 am EST

I would keep a rabid stray dog over Kampfer. Would have taken any one of the guys they cut over him.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:30 am EST

And fucking Steve KAMPFER. Sigh.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:30 am EST

GRAVES gone too...Guess that means CHYTIL and CAREY make the team. DeANGELO too.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:28 am EST

Whoa...ANDERSSON back to Sweden. NIEVES, LETTIERI, and PIONK to the AHL. FARNHAM released and PUEMPEL on waivers.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:23 am EST

RF4L - Josh ANDERSON is a hard-nose player who plays the game a lot like a crazed bull in a china shop. He'd be an instant fan favorite in New York. LOVES to hit. Fast. Not especially skilled, but can hold his own for a big guy(6'3, 220 pounds). Columbus used him in their bottom six...I seem to recall he was a fourth liner for much of the season...and I think that's where some of the disconnect lies. They don't want to pay him top-six money and don't see him in a top-six role...Anderson obviously feel the opposite....Should the Rangers go after him? DEFINITELY. I would already be on the horn with that Finn GM of theirs, seeing what would get it done. Anderson was a bit of a sleeper. Didn't put up great OHL numbers, but made his way onto the fourth line for Team Canada in the 2013-2014 WJCs...but what impresses me about him is 1. the fact that he keeps getting better at every level; and 2. that he's already got some nice hardware: A Calder Cup and two OHL championships. Those things tell me the guy has a good ethic and does something that helps his team win...Of course, the BJs ain't going to give him away, that's for sure. And TBH, I have zero idea what the Jackets need. They're pretty much loaded...Only place I see them needing some help is in the middle, which isn't exactly what we can help with...the could use RHD, but again...are we going to move PIONK or DeANGELO? I suppose we could offer them a collection of picks and prospects...but my guess is they'd want a much grander piece...and I kind of doubt they'd want to trade him within the conference...heh...we could offer them Rick NASH.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:09 am EST

And yes to Josh ANderson...but..gotta give to get

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 10:09 am EST

OLA - Yes! the "barrel chested" Greek God Stifficus....

Hospo


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:58 am EST

Rhet0ric - Let me put this bluntly: That "article" is total bullshit. Written by someone who looks at stats...not even advanced stats mind you...but stats...and comes up with this premise. Don't read it. The punk wrote it specifically to generate web traffic.

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:57 am EST

Hey _Arc, leave me outta this one ;)

tdchi


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:48 am EST

Has any NHL player taken a knee for our national anthem????

rangerlou


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:44 am EST

Josh Anderson formally requested trade from the BJs. Would the Rangers be interested in this kid? I don't know much about him.......

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:42 am EST

td: Could you please post me on my email with your email address? I'd like to hear which apps I ought to download for the NHL streaming. Thanks!

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:41 am EST

RIP Heff. Reminded me of the following cartoon: http://agoodgoodbye.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Disney-on-Ice.jpg

Ranger47


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:28 am EST

Wild- guys wtf with the political shit? Enough. It's infuriating. Wild- stop your bullshit arguments!!!!! Did you ever graduate sequential 2? You know the shit with the 'if' and 'then' and the 'A,B,C'..... wtf dude? This kneeling Bullshit has nothing to do with the 1st amendment you dope!!!! It's a private organization with its own rules and personal conduct policy. Did that idiot OBJ have fist amendment right to pee like a dog after his TD? Can any of them wear whatever theywant on their uniform because it's protected under free speech? Are you free to express you're self in whatever way you see fit when you're at work? Actually scratch that don't answer that last question we all know that's not relavant.

_Arc


Thu Sep 28 2017 9:22 am EST

Waiting eagerly for the next round of cuts. Who stays and who goes?

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:28 am EST

Here's some foresight: Farm out the 2 first rounders!

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:16 am EST

I also had someone say something about Hockey not taking a knee because its a white sport....I think its more to do with the national pride within hockey. SO many nations are represented and the world stage is still so massive for the sport. Football, while a great sport and Basketball (great when not the NBA) are really quite American....I mean the NBA is a little more international, but international basketball pales in comparison to international hockey. I think that leads to the players on the ice having more pride in their countries....I don't know if there is any way to prove it, but its what I thought of when someone said something about it.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 28 2017 8:12 am EST

Hospo: IN regards to the protest thing....now it has turned into a "normal" free speech protest. POTUS, no matter who it is, should never say a person should be fired for exercising their 1st amendments rights....especially when its a peaceful type of way....the original reason for the protest has been largely lost at this point I think. Not saying its good, bad, right, wrong, or anything, just my read.

Wildcard


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:59 am EST

Rhet: Ha ha! That said, some of us mused back then about exploring trading the King to Dallas. Yep, hindsight is 20/20 but some of us on here do have foresight.

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 7:59 am EST

Rf it still makes little sense to keep either kid. It's not really best for the nyr or them. ..with 32 they need to cut 9-10 guys , minus those 2 make it 7-8..... rhet what's the chances hanky would have allowed the nyr to trade him , slim to none?

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:43 am EST

I'll just leave this here... "Why the Rangers should have traded Henrik Lundqvist instead of Cam Talbot" .... http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/20839515/nhl-why-new-york-rangers-traded-henrik-lundqvist-cam-talbot

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:41 am EST

E... JMO, but trading Subban screwed that team over. No matter how good Weber can be, they are not nearly the same team.

Rhet0ric


Thu Sep 28 2017 6:31 am EST

So 2 days ago LB writes a column citing the Rangers previous bumblings keeping 18 year olds on the roster then clamours for the Rangers to have Chytil on their opening night roster. LOL

rf4l


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:44 am EST

Hospo- A little piece to the puzzle, wasn't Kevin in that sentance referred to as being "barrel chested" or something lol. It was comments by Muckler IIRC.

Ola


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:34 am EST

so is it true, they are using Viagra to embalm hef so he will be stiff into eternity ? i assume his hat , pipe, and smoking jacket are going along for the ride to infinity and beyond....space helmets on captain video.....thanks for the mammary...ies... ....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 28 2017 4:29 am EST

Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli 14h14 hours ago More #NHL BOG approves rule change adding minor penalty for unsuccessful coach's challenge on offside. No longer costs timeout; no timeout needed

stevielegs


Thu Sep 28 2017 3:28 am EST

Montreal Canadians fans SHOULD GET A GRIP. Its preseason for fux sake

E


Thu Sep 28 2017 12:58 am EST

RF4L - Not that surprised by the Canadiens sucking. They basically traded away their greatest hope of improving their defense for someone that does nothing to improve them up the middle. The result? One ugly motherf@cking D and still no one that can even masquerade as a top line center. In fact, I'm not even sure you could say they have a top-six center on their roster. Loaded at the wing and with a good, albeit overrated goalie in net. They're going to need PRICE to be THE best goalie in the world. Ever. Their D is just UG-LY. I mean, the only guy back there that would crack the Rangers top four is WEBER. You want a team where the whole management should be thrown to the wolves...well...that's it.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:29 pm EST

There was a story behind it..damn if I can remember

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:28 pm EST

Colostomy Boy, that's some name.....

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:13 pm EST

MF - yeah, he definitely had his self inflicted demons..and he was quite the whipping boy (also alled Colostomy Boy by another CJA) around here...I can kinda remember ALL SPORTS through the fog...:)

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:11 pm EST

mf... Too high. If he's having a pretty good season by the trade deadline, then maybe. I was pretty optimistic about his value after the draft, but now I'm think we'll just be lucky to clear out his salary. I think we'd jump at a late 3rd rounder or as a throw in to a trade :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:08 pm EST

Hospo t/y for filling in the history, man that was a long time ago, was this place "Allsports at that time?" .... Seems Stevens has been battling substance abuse, good luck to him... https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/bruins/2017/05/29/former-nhl-star-kevin-stevens-putting-his-life-back-together/MNh1LAgad5IRCUcRF3t71K/story.html

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:03 pm EST

MF - Just some hostory form the Clueless Jackass Era...Kevin Stevens was referred to as having the body of a Greek God..I dubbed him STIFFICUS!

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:57 pm EST

Rhet: you think Holden could fetch us a 2nd round pick or is that too high?

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:56 pm EST

Maybe that should have been, "Stifficus" but I still don't know how that term evolved...... Ship him off to Madam Trousseau

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:54 pm EST

Hospo & all, my apologies.......

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:42 pm EST

MF.... He was kind of creepy over the last 25 years or so. Dude, it's time to hang out with more age appropriate women. What, you can't hang out with 40 or 50 year olds at age 90?

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:40 pm EST

MF - I knda meant all players aon all team on all sports..and then the social media,...but..I'll walk away.and stick to hockey for now

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:37 pm EST

Rhet: Did he go out stiff?

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:36 pm EST

Hospo: I have no idea what you mean by this, "then it just turned into a mindless mob...andcvthen an anti-Trump mob..worhtless shit".... since there is no longer an off-topic wall, IF you want to continue this away from here I'm game (statewide@nyc.rr.com) if you want to just walk away from this, I'm cool with that too....... SO, are the Rangers going for it this year? I still think that after this long protracted offseason & pre-season that BOZAK may be the best target for the Rangers... If we could add him and keep Vinny Lettieri we'd be adding 2 RHS which would afford us to play 2 PP units consisting of 3 & 2 "LHS & RHS" on a given PP unit.... If anything on this team needs details in its favor its the PP. jmo natch

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:34 pm EST

Breaking News: Per Playboy‏Verified account @Playboy..... American Icon and Playboy Founder, Hugh M. Hefner passed away today. He was 91. #RIPHef

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:28 pm EST

Sorry Guys...I'm done.....Hey, this guy EHLERS on the Jets looked good tonight...

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:27 pm EST

E: I appreciate what I believe is an attempt by you to shy away from a flash fire, that is you opinion which you are entitled to. someone asked, "what is the protest about, and I gave the accurate answer... we're talking about something going on in sports, which is venturing into hockey, it's current events, especially the articles on Joel Ward, and now Wayne Simmonds (and I want Simmonds in a Ranger uniform same as you, and would pine for Ward but he's getting up there in years) end of rant for now

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:27 pm EST

MF - "This protest has to deal with the purported treatment of black men by cops."..Does it? I know it was like that for a few..then it just turned into a mindless mob...andcvthen an anti-Trump mob..worhtless shit

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:15 pm EST

Okay MF. this is why we can't go down this road on any level. Sorry guys... That stated I didn't read about Simmonds and Ward. But I'm not going to touch the details on it.

E


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:09 pm EST

And now back to our regularly schedule programming...SATHER SUCKS!

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 10:02 pm EST

Hospo.... You'd think Subban would learn to say "no comment" after 'Breath Mint-gate' :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:59 pm EST

Hospo: anyone with money in a retirement account complaining about it's performance of the last 10.5 months? G-d help us! There are plenty of news articles out about Joel Ward and now Wayne Simmonds may take a knee during the National Anthem...... This protest has to deal with the purported treatment of black men by cops.... Well, well well, what the hell did they expect wearing 4 extra yards of extra material in the form of "hoodies" & pants below their rear ends where its easy to conceal weapons? Morons, these cops are scared, blame them? This is common sense.

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:33 pm EST

HOSPO: and that wasn't aimed at you. i started writing this before I read your words. But good points.

E


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:30 pm EST

Its interesting. I don't want to talk about opinions on the politics behind "the knee" and what should be done about it. Take that noise somewhere else. But I did find myself in an interesting place where I had to defend hockey to someone who thought that the only reason why players in the NHL won't take the knee is because they were white. And compared it to NASCAR. So, it got me thinking. I think the reality of the culture of hockey is A. political stances in the NHL just doesn't bode well within the culture of the game. Its the most innocuous league out there. You just don't get loud. About anything no less politics. You shut up and do what you're told. Don't make waves. B. Most of the players in the NHL aren't even Americans. A lot of them struggle with english as a language. They don't care about American politics. They may care about the elections upcoming in the Czech Republic but they are just here to play. Its just where their day job is. SO, MAYBE thats why I really like hockey. I can just enjoy it because it is so damn international players just don't weigh in with their opinions off of the ice. Anyone see a Pavel Buchnevich feeling compelled to weigh in on American politics? He just wants to make a team and level up so he can get that contract. So, it isn't the substance of the politics I wanted to point to. It just seems like hockey is so insulated.

E


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:28 pm EST

RHET - Don't get me started on that crap..I can't blame Subban for being confused...The whole damn thing is one friggin ball of confusion..Nobody knows what anybody is protesting, including the protesters themselves and the anti-protesters..They just want to protest...And who gives a flying fuck what these athletes think..They are meaningless....And then there's Trump...May God Save us...alright..like you said..rant over...I'll wait till i see who the Rangers keep next week

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:02 pm EST

Quick Rant: P.K. Subban came out bravely today against kneeling for the National Anthem. He said on Tuesday that he will “never” kneel during the national anthem to protest something politically. A couple of things: One: though it has become political of late, the original intent of the protest had nothing to do with politics. Two: You are Canadian, you jackass. STFU and stop making everything about you. End of rant.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 8:45 pm EST

Oh oh...Montreal loses another game - now 0 and 6 for the pre-season and can't score more than 2 goals a game. Panic is setting in amongst Montreal's fanbase. LOL. I hope Drouin has a really really thick skin....!

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 8:38 pm EST

Irving and moishe

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 27 2017 8:13 pm EST

or CryptoLegs & KinkyBoots?

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:39 pm EST

Ranger47 - Damn. The Rangers, at the time, could have REALLY used UMBERGER back then...he was a hell of a player when he broke into the league. Just looked into it a bit...Rangers used the second round pick they got for compensation for him, paired it with the first rounder they got from the Leafs for LEETCH and traded it to the Flames for the pick that got us KORPIKOSKI. So Umberger and Leetch for Korpikoski. Ugh.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:16 pm EST

Frank Seravalli‏Verified account @frank_seravalli ...... #NHL BOG (Board of Governors) approves rule change adding minor penalty for unsuccessful coach's challenge on offside. No longer costs timeout; no timeout needed...... Also Per Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger ..... Been told initial GM vote on this was 30-1. @penguins GM, Jim Rutherford opposes penalty. Rutherford wants to make sure call is right..... Penalty will reduce challenges in fear of two goal swing if coach is wrong and penalty is called.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:30 pm EST

Or hump and rump the roast beef brothers

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:17 pm EST

stevie: Or Fric and Frac! lol...

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:11 pm EST

Rf that like sing and sang?

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:06 pm EST

And as much as I 'cry cry cry' you dude, stroke stroke stroke all things Rangers. Need some ying for that yang!

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:04 pm EST

No wild that isn't what I said. How you interpreted I said is another thing altogether. Here, I'll spell it out for you to (perhaps) help you understand my point: I posted that because TD, in his defense of that stupid/bad trade, denigrated Hagelin by saying 'Hagelin himself just notched a career low 22 points in a season for his $4 million paycheck...'. True stats yes. Another true stat: 2 cup rings. More truths: Lousy trade and Sather sucks.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:46 pm EST

last post was for RHET....darn auto correct

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:41 pm EST

Rhea: I was thinking more about the other guys who need waivers.....

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:40 pm EST

rf4l: Stop...just stop...it has nothing to to do with defending the rangers...I want you right now to say that Hags would have meant 2 cups for the Rangers...say it..because thats exactly what you are implying. Its an asinine idea. Hags has two cups, Rangers have none....aaannnndddd? Your desire to find things wrong with Rangers moves is just absolutely incredible. Cry cry cry, they haven't had top picks to back fill the roster...they get top picks that show up and do really well and what does RF$L do? cry cry cry that they might make the team. You want so badly to cry about everything Rangers...I don't get why you even still follow the team.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:32 pm EST

td: In the recesses of my memory I think remember that Sather wanted to sign Umburger for a lot less than market value and when Umburger balked Sather's ego was hurt and decided to make an example out of him by refusing to negotiate any further.

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:23 pm EST

Wild: I expect nothing but that sort of answer from you, defender of all things Rangers. Carry on!

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:17 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I get what you're saying, but I think MATTEAU would do just that: Provide an immediate need for the Rangers. He's never going to be an enforcer, but he's sort of like a more skilled-FARNHAM-type player, who will take the head off of someone he sees wronging a teammate. I don't know how he would have done in Ranger camp, but I think he's worth a claim. Like I said: If it were between keeping CAREY or KAMPFER getting Matteau, I'd go with the latter...younger, bigger, tougher...more of a chance...albeit slight...that he turns into a regular player.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:54 pm EST

I always wondered why we never signed UMBERGER...really made no sense. He was with the Rangers after the trade and practiced with them, but Sather decided not to sign him to a contract and instead get a second rounder...kid was good...had plenty of skill..but at this point? RJ is waaaaaaaay slow for the Rangers. He was like watching paint dry during his second stint with the Flyers and that was two years ago.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:24 pm EST

OLA.... If memory serves me correctly, the Devils signed him to a PTO and then released him from it before the season started(not waivers). We didn't sign him until a month or so later. I think were were impressed by his stint with the Devils though.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:23 pm EST

Maybe UMBERGER goes to St. LOUIS who just Lost Robbie Fabrie for the year..Hell, I wouldn't mind the Rangers looking at him again..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:18 pm EST

RHET - Yeah, that was it..I remember UMBERGER becasue like, ahem, JESSIMAN, he was a player I wanted the Rangers to Draft.Was pissed at Sather for just dropping him...Anyway,.Shows why I'm not a scout..I did want RADULOV instead of MONTOYA though!

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:14 pm EST

I meant Martin Rucinský. Martin Ru?inský is a famous squash player.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:13 pm EST

Hospo... I think we traded for 50 LBS of 'Hamburger'.... You have a good memory We traded Martin Ru?inský for him and Martin Grenier (who? ...exactly!) a couple of weeks before the draft and he then left a few weeks later as an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 4:08 pm EST

Rhet- Yeah, but we did get Stralsy about this time right?

Ola


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:58 pm EST

Dallas Stars release R.J. Umberger from professional tryout....Hmmmm...Didn't we trade for this guy once upon a time and he never played??

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:57 pm EST

WILD.... Guys RARELY get picked up after they're waived as cuts this time of the year. The Reason: The team picking them up either has to keep them all year long or risk putting them on waivers again to send them down themselves. It's cost prohibitive unless you REALLY like the player or he can fill an immediate need. I don't think we'd have to worry about Desjardins if he did agree to a contract so he can go to Hartford.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:47 pm EST

Desjardins already served his two pre-season game suspension. Both were against the Flyers on Monday and Tuesday. He is currently free and clear, no matter what the NYR decide to do with him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:40 pm EST

They might be waiting for the big waivers days of the camp season, there are usually a couple days when almost every team puts a handful of guys on. That helps "sneak" players through...if there are 20 guys on the wire the chances re a little less that your guy gets snagged. But if they waive just their guys everyone will be looking at them...but if they wait until the last day then teams will have set their rosters and not take them. No point in losing guys for nothing.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:23 pm EST

Desjardins did not dress the last two pre-season games. Since the Rangers only had two more pre-season games, I assumed it was those two. But the suspension was announced after the first game, I think. So does that mean he has to miss one next year? I remember that friend of Dan Girardi who "Elbowed his way out of the NHL" was sent down during a suspension. Teams have to recall a guy in the minors to count games suspended. This suspension clearly said pre-season games, so if (unlikely) he made the roster he wouldn't have to serve any more games. However, I think he can be assigned to Hartford if the Rangers sign him providing he passes through waivers.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:18 pm EST

COMark: didn't Desjardins just get suspended...is there any rule about releasing him while under that stuff? I know was for two games, and that last game was #2, but I am also they don't have to release him from his PTO (he had a PTO right) it will just end if it was only for camp....so he could already be home and we wouldn't know it.

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:16 pm EST

CM - Not sure they can send Desjardins down in the middle of a suspension either..He was pretty insignificant in the game(s) I saw him play

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:14 pm EST

rf4l: So if the Rangers had held onto Hags they would have 2 cups? If not than its a pointless silly thing to bring up. I could give a rats behind how many cups Hags has...I am sure that his 22 points on 15+ min per night in the regular season would have rocketed the Rangers to the top, and his 2 points in the post season would have kept the Rangers in it until the cup was being lifted by McD. It wasn't because of Hags, he had a hand in the first one a little, but those cups don't happen without the top players on his teams...

Wildcard


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:13 pm EST

And has Fogarty played one game? I don't think so. He might be injured, which is why he is still on the roster. I don't think they can send down an injured guy.

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:10 pm EST

Fonatine and Halverson to the Pack. Thought there would be more moves. Still a lot of guys to take to team bonding. Not sure why they are keeping Desjardins around, unless they want him to play in Hartford?

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 27 2017 3:02 pm EST

TD...In regard to Kampfer: He's only making $650K, I'm okay with him being the Designated Bench Warmer in Hartford.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:58 pm EST

MF.... How many picks do we need to trade to get rid of Holden? ....TD.... In regard to MATTEAU, MATTEAU, MATTEAU..... I'm not saying we should claim him (because we would have to keep him the entIre season or waiver him again).,,, But if he became available and was cheap, I would definitely kick the tires on that one.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:16 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I'd be more concerned that we DIDN'T lose KAMPFER. The guy is a waste of a contract given who we have in the system. Would be nice if we could trade him for a pick...but that ain't happening.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:10 pm EST

RF: Whatever amount Detroit signs ATHANASIOU to should be added to their Salary Cap Penalty because they are clearly circumventing the spirit of the Salary Cap... BTW, I don't like a salary cap structure..... And if you and The Wall feel that a 2nd round pick from us Doesn't get it done, we could offer our 1st for their 1st. Basically we're spending $3mill to move up in the 1st round of the draft, it's only Dolanopoly Money afterall...

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:07 pm EST

TD: Disagree. But of course, that's expected. Carey isn't competing with Chytil or Andersson because he's a winger, not a centre. In addition, both the latter (I maintain) won't be on the Rangers next week anyways. I do concur he's competing with Lettiri. He's also competing (and bested them so far) with your boys Tambellini, Kovacs and Malstrom plus Gropp all early cuts who I'm now am guessing are long shots to ever make the NHL. This is what you get when you have no firsts for 4 consecutive years and like 1 second rounder in that time. It's of no surprise to me.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:06 pm EST

mf/RF4L - here's another take on CHYTIL: Opponents are targeting him. You know, players recognize guys with superior talent and they go after them. It's part of the game. You rattle a guy like that in hopes he starts playing more shy. Just ask Sid Crosby how it was to break in at 18. Thing is, I didn't see Chytil's game change any. Maybe that's because he's 6'2 and already weighing in at 200-plus pounds.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:06 pm EST

TD: HHH agreed to swapping 3rds for Karlsson, plz see email... t/y

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:01 pm EST

And regarding Paul Carey's competition...totally disagree. There are some very talented players he beat out if in fact he gets a spot. The Rangers are really flush with talent...and the emergence of guys like LETTIERI and CHYTIL just highlight that fact...The latter of whom looked MILES ahead of Nolan PATRICK, who is a kid that should be on his way back to juniors...No, if Carey wins a spot, it's more because of his play and less because of this perceived weakness of the Rangers' system. They're going into the season with something like six guys viably competing for two spots, one of which isn't even permanent...man...again, you manage to look a glass that's more than half full and see a shit-filled toilet bowl.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:57 pm EST

RF4L - C'mon. The Rangers traded a bottom six player for picks. Even that would seem to be a good deal given your usual stance. If Hags was still here, this wall would be lit up with people wondering why the Rangers are paying him so much. They got what HAGELIN was worth...nothing more and nothing less...in fact, the Ducks got even less than the Rangers did three months later(a pending UFA who had no interest in staying and who they had no money to keep). Again...I really don't get your beef here. You act like they traded a 20-year-old Gretzky for a bag of dinged up pucks.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:57 pm EST

RF4L _ I don't know about that Czech League stuff...They still have RYAN HOLLWEG running amok over there!!..He's a damn FOlk Hero over at PLZEN...https://www.facebook.com/hollwegryan

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:53 pm EST

mf: The Wings are a serious contender for a bottom 3 spot (and therefore, the right to draft Dahlen). They are not giving up their first round pick. That is more a guarantee than I gave TD that Tambellini wouldn't be on the Rangers opening night roster!!!

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:51 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I saw that. And if Vegas is cutting him...albeit with one of their final cuts...that is very telling...but checked it out...he got three games, had three helpers, and was +5 in what appears to be bottom line play. Admittedly, I didn't watch any of LV's preseason matchups...But with NOLAN gone and the Rangers still short on physical players, he's definitely a guy I'd claim in place of either CAREY or PUEMPEL. Maybe not LETTIERI and definitely not CHYTIL...but I maintain he has a lot of what the Rangers need on their bottom line.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:51 pm EST

Oh and Hagelin has 2 cup rings in the past 2 years. The Rangers have 1 PO series win in that time. SIGH

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:50 pm EST

So now that I've traded Holden for picks, we now have $4,700,556 in available cap space..... Anyone for "fantasizing outside the box?" ...... Both Detroit & Toronto are 1 & 2 over the cap this season, However, Detroit is a serious contender for bottom 3 in the league standing...... Now if we're Not getting a Center in trade and are considering using our Cap Dollars as an asset to accumulate picks, We could offer PAVELIC (retain $300K of his salary) for MRAZEK (who has 1 yr remaining @ $4mill) in return for Detroits #1 pick for next season and our 2nd round pick......... This gets Detroit under the Cap Limit even though MF believes they are circumventing the spirit of the rules by not signing RFA ANTHANASIOU until they can bury (literally) Johan Franzan............. Now if you want to take a go for it this year mentality, you can structure an offer to TORONTO for BOZAK where the main exchange from us to them is our flexibility UNDER the Cap..... Again, we trade Holden elsewhere for a pick, unless of course Toronto Wants Holden and will deal with their cap management elsewhere, I don't care I just want BOZAK in Ranger Blue.... Shedding Holden gives us $4.7mill, Toronto is over the cap by $4.579 mill ........ They've got something we need, and vice versa

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:49 pm EST

TD: No, I am not criticizing the Rangers for demoting Gropp. He deserved it. I am criticizing the Rangers for trading a viable NHL assets PLUS picks for the right draft Gropp. I am also criticizing the Rangers for trading away gobs of high draft picks over the past 1/2 dozen years (go back a week or so on my post that listed the skewed numbers of high picks they've traded away vs those they've acquired for acute evidence of that) that has created the situation where a 29 year old AHL veteran is poised to make the team because their feeder system is so depleted. I know you and others disagree and are fine with the team's misguided decision to trade away picks so carelessly. That's fine. I stand by my disapproval of that and have consistently stated so from the outset. The repercussions of that I predicted from the beginning - we've been seeing those now for a while. This Paul Carey thing is simply another example. That's the point I was and am making. It's really nothing against Paul Carey. He has played well. His competition, however, isn't exactly overwhelming.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:42 pm EST

Hospo: You're not wrong. IMO, however, it's not just looking to make the big play vs keeping it simple. On that Gudas hit he made the right play, as he came into the Flyer zone, he sent the puck to an open man on the wing - that's a fundamental way to enter the opposition's zone. However, he was looking at his stick as he did so and therefore, was totally unaware of Gudas' presence. Those plays are concussions waiting to happen. I know some supporting him making the Rangers will poo-poo our concern but IMO it's legitimate. It's not surprising, either. He just turned 18, he's played in Europe (Czech) where it's obvious hits of that nature are rare and he's offensive. It's all about learning (and he'd better learn or his NHL career will be short-lived without a doubt).

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:39 pm EST

RF4L - Alright, now you've got me confused. You're going to take issue with the Rangers keeping Paul CAREY, a guy who has looked very capable of being a contributing member of the team...while demoting a guy like GROPP, a kid who quite literally just turned 21 who clearly needs more time to develop...yet you're going to criticize them for taking CHYTIL into strong consideration for a roster spot, despite him being one of the best guys in camp, and blast them for rushing youth? Which is it? Seems to me they're putting everyone where they belong according to development..And just a quick reminder: NO TEAM in the HAGELIN deal has an NHLer to show for it...and Hagelin himself just notched a career low 22 points in a season for his $4 million paycheck...

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:37 pm EST

mf: It's obvious to me the Czech league Chytil plays in isn't very aggressive. On the 3 hits I saw him absorb in the 2 Flyer games his head was down. Very dangerous habit that if not corrected will put an end to his offensive forays pretty darn quickly. Another reason the OHL is a good next step for him. Their style emulates the NHL's quite closely (by design) so he'll get hit there but it won't be by men like Gudas - they'll still hurt and they'll still risk serious injury and therefore, it'll still need correcting. However, the risk is lessened. I'd much rather him how to address that there vs the AHL or NHL. Going back to the Czech league, on the other hand, likely means he won't need to address it.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:35 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ....... As you know, waivers not only factor that goes into decisions. Some could be waived Thurs/Friday & Farnham/Desjardins released from TOs.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:35 pm EST

MF - I brought that up last night about CHTYL..Not really a criticism but,instead of making the simple play, he's looking to make and focusing on a great play...Some times it works..But he also leaves himself open big for hits when he's so focused on the puck..Just an observation (right or wrong) on my part..He just needs some fine tuning and learning..BOTH him and ANdersson should be somewhere other then New York late next week..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:33 pm EST

Hospo: Ditto on Graves, he's become a legitimate tweener making Holden and his $1.65 million expendable.... The Panthers only have 2 LHS Defensemen in Yandle & Matheson, Florida may be a good fit there, maybe we can get a 2nd round pick for Holden, I'll let The Wall figure out Holdens Value... If we're not going for it, might as well load up on draft picks, (somewhere in Toronto a Ranger fan is listening)

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:32 pm EST

Fontaine and Sieverson cut.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:31 pm EST

TD.... BTW, Stefan Matteau is on waivers again.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:27 pm EST

ISteve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay .....Halverson and Fontaine assigned to AHL Wolf Pack, #NYRangers announce... 32 players left in #NYR camp at the moment. 20F, 10 D, 2G..... Just FYI: NYRers Kampfer, Carey, Puempel would have to clear waivers. Pionk, Graves, Nieves, Lettieri among those who wouldn't..... Doubtful (MORE CUTS) today. We'll know more at prax tomorrow morning.... Rosters are fluid, obviously. All the youngsters mentioned could be called up during season after injuries, trades, etc.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:27 pm EST

Watching Chytil get hit 1,2,3, times I'm worried for the kid at these levels and he hasn't faced a fraction of the bit & or talented guys yet.... Ship him out and let him grow into his body another year, an important year at 18..... I'd sooner see Andersson penciled in as the 4th center than have Chytil in harms way.... Then again, I think Andersson should be in Hartford or his home town league & not on the Big club.....

mf


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:15 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 4m4 minutes ago More Further NYR cuts to come tomorrow.... Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 5m5 minutes ago More Fontaine and Halverson to Wolf Pack...Rangers still with the tough decisions to make. Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 2h2 hours ago More Rangers have placed no one on waivers today.

stevielegs


Wed Sep 27 2017 1:01 pm EST

RF4L _ It's only Hockey and it's only Opinions..To each their own..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:59 pm EST

E - I can only go by what my eyes see...I though BUCH was horrible and a liability towards the end of the year BUT he did coim up with a good game or two in the POs...VESEY also had his struggles but reqlly seemed to get it through the entire POS..BOTH players have alot to prove this season..Honestly, I have a good feeling about VESEY and his game bit don't feel the same way about BUCH more individualistic style.JMWO

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:59 pm EST

Rhet: Some NYR fans, like some fans of all teams, regardless of the sport, are misinformed, ignorant, bombastic idiots.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:53 pm EST

Buch was on track for a 30-40 point season as a rookie before injuries and lack of momentum took him down. Vesey for all his hype had only 27-points. But Vesey is the schiz and Buch is a bust. Never underestimate stupidity.

E


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:43 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo..... Shesterkin has posted a 1.20 GAA, a .954 SV%, and 3 SO in 2017-18. He is 42-4-1 with a 1.55 GAA, a .941 SV%, and 11 SO in his last 50 games.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:22 pm EST

WOW... Some NYR fans are killing Buchnevich on Facebook, calling him a bust ....VIC.... I think he's done enough. I said the same things about Lindberg a couple of years ago(not that I think he's as good as Linberg).

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:11 pm EST

I know guys like NIEVES suck, but, it could be worse....Speaking of worse....Hey..EMERSON ETEM is on waivers again...anybody?

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:11 pm EST

I know guys like NIEVES suck, but, it could be worse....Speaking of worse....Hey..EMERSON ETEM is on waivers again...anybody?

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 12:02 pm EST

Also per Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie ...... Re my F: missing a period after Nieves. Think he starts in NY as extra C.....I think they will keep Andersson with team and have him make trip to Lake Placid before assigning him to AHL.... Rangers have placed no one on waivers today.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:59 am EST

His picks anyway.... Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie... This is how I think they'll start. Operative word, start. 20-93-36; 26-13-10; 61-Chytil-89; 40-51-Lettieri/Carey; Nieves Andersson in AHL.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:57 am EST

Per Brooks..... Projected D: 27-22; 76-42; 18-55; 77; Pionk, Graves and Kampfer to AHL though NYR could be wary of losing Kampfer on waivers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:55 am EST

Buffalo Sabres claim Jordan Nolan

tlats


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:54 am EST

RHET: What has BOO done to earn a spot? He hasn't been horrible in these games but he hasn't been good...at all. Last year he made a strong case to make the team and almost did. This year he hasn't. If anything he has regressed significantly.

Vic


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:41 am EST

WOW.... For those of you following the NCAA scandal.... Per USA Today.... Rick Pitino out as Louisville basketball coach... https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/acc/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-out-louisville-coach/707442001/

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:35 am EST

VESEY looks bigger, stronger and more confident also..buit still just a kid..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:33 am EST

One thing I liked over the last few games was the attitude and team play of JT MILLER....Looking at all the possibilities the Rangers have right now, especially with what looks like an "offensive" 4th line, there really are zero forward candidates that truly "stand up" and/or send or reply to physical messages....It looks like JT has taken on that mantle, good thing, the Rangers need his leadership up front (well, ZUCC also, but ddo we really need the Norwegean piupsqueak doing that??)

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:30 am EST

I should say 4th line centers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:28 am EST

VIC... I totally forgot about Fontaine. He's a solid replacement for Fast. Maybe he's the forward that stays until Fast comes back. That said, neither Farnham or Fontaine are centers. Have to totally disagree with you on Farnham being more impressive than Nieves though.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:23 am EST

Vic: And another reason why Chytil will be our 3rd line center unless they have a different opinion on the upside of Nieves (or decide to go with DesJardins).

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:19 am EST

As for BOO, I don't see how he is even in anyone's discussion of who is making the team. Of the guys who haven't been cut he has easily been the least impressive. Even FONTAINE and FARNHAM have been head and shoulders better then BOO. I was hoping for more development from him but I've seen none.

Vic


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:18 am EST

VIC... So would. I think it's more like Z-Bad, Hayes, Desharnais and Nieves. I said I expect Chytil to go back to the Czech League and Desharnais to be our 3rd line center. Of course, that's still barring a trade. I still would not be surprised if we pull one off before the season starts :) ....(or even a couple of days after:)

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:18 am EST

Ranger47 - I think it's the wrong move totally, but I think CHYTL stays becasue there is no other option with the Rangers searching for offense...ANDERSSON will be in Hartford, Nieves sucks, and Desharnais is the 4th Center...A total clusterfuck of the center position beginning with the out of place ZBAD and HAYES and a CHYTL who should be getting more time to learn....All created by Gorton...Thank God this team has stengths on both WING and D Thye will have to carry the team..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:13 am EST

RF4L... I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that if Andersson doesn't make the team our of camp he will be going to Hartford. I won't swear that he doesn't have a Swiss League out clause, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't. He's all about making the team this during the season(if not out of camp).

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:13 am EST

RHET: I will be stunned if the 4 centers on opening night aren't ZBAD, HAYES, CHEETOS and DEHARNAIS. The Rangers have been pretty transparent with what they are thinking in the middle. LETTIERI will take the other open spot. When FAST comes back the Rangers will have to make some decisions unless there are other injuries.

Vic


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:12 am EST

If they keep Chytil there's no way Desharnais plays 3rd line center. If Chytil goes then you can pencil D into 3rd line C and Nieves into 4th line C unless they decide to keep Anderson as 3rd line center or move Miller to C.

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:10 am EST

Ranger47 - Exactly with the 4 forwards and the PP...Pionk and D'angleo are best suited getting full time (ES and PP) down in Hartford instead of sitting for a few months..Now, a trade or an injury changes things...But, damn, I really liked GRAVES' game this preseason...Physical, steady, smart, enough offensivley.I'm probably the only one, but would take him as a 6th before the others (if that spot was available)..

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:07 am EST

Hospo: Agree - Especially since the Rangers will probably use 4 forwards on one of the two PP units....

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:06 am EST

David Desharnais appears to have made the team(deservedly so) and I think it's safe to pencil him in as out 3RD line center. Desharnais is NOT a 4th line center like I see many other NYR fans penciling him in. In my mind that leaves us with approx.3 forward positions left open (until Fast comes back). To me that says that either Carey or Nieves as our 4th line center (IMO, Desjardins pretty much eliminated himself with the 2-game suspension). I'm not sold on Carey as an NHL center. I think Nieves wins the job and Carey (maybe Puempel) sticks around as the extra forward until Fast comes back. That leaves Lettieri or Chytil starting the season with the big club. Off the top of my head: I think Andersson goes to Hartford (to get a call up during the season). Chytil goes back to the Czech League to play more competitive hockey. I don't want him anywhere near the OHL. He is so far past it I don't think he'll learn anything there. I wish they could send him to Hartford. JMO, of course.

Rhet0ric


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:05 am EST

BTW, NOLAN was claimed by BUFFALO...

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:04 am EST

RANGER47 - As for CHYTL, I hope you are wrong..I think he needs alot of work outside the offensive zone..Stuff that will become even more apparent when the season starts and open ice and power plays aren't everywhere..Unfortunately, If AV has deep sixed the MILLER to center idea, there really is nobody else (Desharnais can be 4th C)..Honestly, Gordo has screwed this team down the middle for this season...JMWO

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 11:00 am EST

RANGER47 - Totally agree with you...If there is no trade of a D-man, there is zero reason to keep defensive question marks like PIonk or a D'Angelo...The Power Play will be fine with SKJEI, MCD and SHATT dressed every night..No need for a PIonk or D'angelo both of who's only strength right now is when there is open ice...Best thing is for them to learn the entirte game for a few months and be ready to help as the season moves along......Also, I think GRAVES is better then both for what you need for a 3rd pair D_man.......Now, if one of MCD, SHatt, Skjei goes down, that's when you need a Pionk or a D'angelo in the TOP 6...JMWO

Hospo


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:39 am EST

On D, I think they Rangers are going to keep DeANGELO with the team. I think his ability on the PP will be the biggest factor in that decision. The Rangers will have SHATTENKIRK and McDONAGH on that first PP unit. SKJEI will be on the 2nd unit. The Rangers need DeANGELO on that 2nd unit as STAAL, SMITH and HOLDEN really aren't an acceptable option on the PP point. If the Rangers had any guts they would have STAAL and HOLDEN splitting time as the 3rd pair left defender with DeANGELO on the right side.

Vic


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:34 am EST

TD: Yep, I see things similarly. However, I would say that VINNY has been the best followed by CHEETOS because of VINNY's overall game and play in his own zone. He was fantastic again in that first period last night. He was good the rest of the game but that first period he was great. I had to watch the Flyer feed last night and apparently he really caught KEITH JONES' eye in the game on Monday. VINNY was the guy JONES was talking about early in the game and though that first period he kept mentioning VINNY as a guy who just keeps making plays. He and DEHARNAIS were the best two Rangers in the first period.

Vic


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:06 am EST

I think Chytil gets a 3rd line center position since (unless they move Miller to C at this point) there is no other reasonable center option (I think the Rangers will opt for Chytil's skill over Anderson's all round play and send A back down/out to get more experience). I prefer keeping Vinny over Puempel or Carey. Looking forward to seeing what Ranger management does!

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 9:00 am EST

Unless they have a trade in the works involving Holden - or decide to move him or Staal down to the 7th/8th D spot - I think you have to send both D'Angelo and Pionk down to the Pack to get first D minutes with an eye to bring them back if there's an injury (or as a late season replacement should they be able to move Holden or Staal at that time). Kampfer makes for your best 7th D while the kids get more experience in Hartford.

Ranger47


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:59 am EST

FWIW, a similar discussion happening over in Edmonton with a kid they selected right after the Rangers took Chytil; Kailer Yamamoto is leading the team in pre-season scoring with 5 goals (1 assist) and there's a debate going on about keeping him on the big club. My betting is he's sent back - the Oilers have ruined too many skilled kids in the recent past.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:46 am EST

Here's my prediction on the 2 first rounders: Chytil goes back to Czech, although I'm holding out hope he is convinced to agree to the OHL route for reasons I've cited on here more than once. Andersson goes down to Hartford. Perhaps the latter, however, follows the Nylander path and starts in Europe, participates in the WJC and then goes to Hartford. Also a possibility is he plays for Sweden in the Olympics and then goes to Hartford. In listening to Gorton on the Ranger broadcast I believe he wants to err on the side of caution and not push either kid into something they're not quite ready for yet.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:20 am EST

TD: Agreed on Holden - has he even got into a pre-season game?

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 7:13 am EST

If Paul Carey makes the team it's a reflection of how crappy the Rangers depth is at the forward lines beyond the NHL roster. Yeah he's played decently but he's 29 years old and basically a career AHLer. That he's still in the mix and Ryan Gropp was among the early cuts makes that Hagelin trade look even worse than it looked the day it went down. Thank goodness the team had 2 first round picks - don't ruin that Rangers by rushing the 2 18 year olds.

rf4l


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:57 am EST

The other discussion that none of the pundits seem to raise is what the hell to do with Nick HOLDEN. It's never been clearer that this guy is on the outside looking in. I would rank him over STAAL, but Staal ain't going anywhere...and there's almost no chance Staal ends up as the seventh defender. Holden, at the very least, could be sold for more than what we paid for him. I think you could get a second rounder or a genuine NHL prospect for him...or package him with another player to perhaps upgrade somewhere else in the lineup. But the Rangers are strong through and through, so I don't see much sense in this...either way, there's just no need to have him on the roster if we're keeping DeANGELO and have PIONK and GRAVES ready in the minors.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 6:53 am EST

Not much to say about the game yesterday, other than the defense was atrocious and that it served a good purpose to set aside those players who will be cut later today...GORTON interview had one interesting tidbit, which is that the Rangers are considering 12 forwards and 8 D or 13 forwards and 7 D...Don't want to make a mountain out of something that might have been an off-comment, but it sure sounds like they may only keep one or two forwards from camp...they have 12 forwards under contract now, which includes DESHARNAIS, who is almost certain to earn a spot, PUEMPEL, who did far less to distinguish himself in camp, and FAST, who starts the year on the IR. So if Puempel is cut and they go with a dozen forwards, that means one full-time spot and one part-time spot...Among the forwards vying for a spot, I don't think there is any question who was the best: Filip CHYTIL. They played the shit out of this kid and even in a game like last night, where he looked tired and a bit banged up, he still managed to have a good night. I would say LETTIERI is a close second. Then after him, Paul CAREY would be third on my list. Coming in a distant fourth would be Tony DeANGELO, who had his moments and brought some fire the Rangers need in the lineup, but was also a goddamn adventure on D...I would rank ANDERSSON and PIONK tied at fifth, which really doesn't matter since they're both be on the outside looking in...An honorable mention to FARNHAM, but there's just no way they can justify keeping him with the guys ahead of him...Now among all of these guys, the only ones who'd need to go through waivers are PUEMPEL and CAREY...And among the guys still left in camp, you could add in KAMPFER, who predictably earned a spot on the waiver wire last night...Carey signed with the Pack, so while there's a slight chance he'd get claimed, there were 30 other teams that weren't willing to give him an NHL contract, so I don't know why they would now...Puempel is the one guy I think they stand to lose on waivers, which is why I believe they will keep him...Next you look at organizational need. They need a solid center. AV says JT MILLER starts on wing...That, to me, means Filip Chytil starts the season with the Rangers...I think he spends at least a month with the team and then, if he's struggling, he'll go down to Hartford. LETTIERI is the guy I'd have replace FAST in the interim. If they went with those two, plus PUEMPEL, then it's just Carey going through waivers. When FAST comes back, Lettieri swings down to Hartford...under this scenario, the Rangers would keep seven D, with DeANGELO battling with HOLDEN for minutes...If they stupidly go with eight D, then I don't see a way they keep Puempel...Then there's Option C, which is to claim NOLAN as the 13th forward and either send down Lettieri or waive Puempel...That's probably the best option of all of them, since I do think this team needs a quick, aggressive forward to counter the likes of the thugs that still dot rosters. But as much as I like this idea, I don't see the Rangers doing it.

tdchi


Wed Sep 27 2017 5:33 am EST

the nyr will be fine, and they will have depth. Now they need to claim nolan if they are lucky enough to have 20+ teams pass on him. the nyr are in the top 10 of the nhl for a while now, that's an accomplishment. but they need to do a shitsberg and dethrone them , and win it all 3 years in a row!....Nyr fans deserve that......so does buttman.....sather not so much....

stevielegs


Wed Sep 27 2017 2:36 am EST

With Hayes, sometimes I feel that we are more than willing to accept the advantages of having a player that is 6'5, i.e. his enormous reach, ability to protect the puck and so forth, but cannot really accept that at that size, if he is heading in one direction and the play goes in another he will end up behind. Then he is lazy and must be hanged. I am not saying that Hayes is a saint and has perfect attitude and what not, but I don't for a second for example think that he is any worse than someone like Zibanejad. Miller at times. And so forth. I have a feeling that if you transplanted like Jesper Fast's brain into Hayes skull, "it" would still get that lazy rep! ;)

Ola


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:42 pm EST

OAN: My vote for most impressive Ranger this preseason who was on the roster last season is: Jimmy Vesey

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:45 pm EST

and we also saw how much all of Hayes great creativity got him in the last few months of the past two seasons. The guy can pass and can be crerativ....The guy can also hold the puck too long..bog down his own offense at times...As for the rest of his game...Faggedabout it..

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:37 pm EST

Last Saturday's game against the Devils was a great example of what happens when you don't have anyone in the lineup that can create scoring chances. They dressed ZBAD (in his first game recovering from illness), ANDERSSON, BOO and DESJARDINS down the middle. The only creative forward in the lineup that night was MZA. And the Rangers struggled to do anything offensively. To bring a puck up the ice and into the offensive zone you have to have guys who can make a play with the puck. It is great to have good puck moving D to get the puck out of your end and spring your transition game. It is great to have wingers who skate, shoot and crash the net. But if you don't have a creative player (usually the center) to get the puck from the D and to get the puck to a winger in a position to score you aren't going to generate much offense in this league. And that is what HAYES does so well. He is far from a perfect player but without him this team will generate a fraction of the high quality scoring chances that they currently get.

Vic


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:32 pm EST

VIC - Wait a minute...I'm funny??? How do you mean I'm funny?You mean, funny like a clown, Like I amuse you? Tell me..I want to know......As for HAYES, I know he can be creative and can be a great passer (which I have said),,but I also know he can be selfish, lazy, and down right stupid with the puck...But hey, just another opinion that's funny becasue it doesn't agree..

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:21 pm EST

You guys are funny. HAYES is the most creative player on this team. He does it every game and you ignore it. Tonight he sprung BUCH in on a breakaway. He setup CHEETOS for a point blank shot from the crease. And in overtime he sprung GRABNER for a breakaway. Those are just the 3 plays that I remember where he created as high a scoring chance as can be created for a teammate and all 3 guys failed to score when they had unlimited time and space. There we several other passes that created scoring chances as well. He does it period in and period out and you guys totally dismiss it as meaningless.

Vic


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:57 pm EST

MF - I know what can be done with skating...But I think with Hayes you got what you're gonna get via skating unless he transforms everything...Still think his biggest obstacle is his head and game attitude

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:56 pm EST

Puempel might make the team as the guy who will go down in a couple of weeks when Fast comes back. You know, instead of doing it to a rookie.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:55 pm EST

don't think CAREY is all that and a bag od chips but has defientely been noticable and confident the past fw games..I thought he was one of the best Ranger forwards Mnday night and did alot to advance his cause...Not bad tonight iwther..

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:54 pm EST

Hospo, not sure what kind of training he did, but he must get quicker off the start with his skating, it can be done

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:53 pm EST

My money's on VINNY LETTIERI making it onto the roster.. Good all around player, has shown some good hockey IQ, and he has that RHS in his favor....

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:53 pm EST

MF- Hayes did all that crap last off-season..Was in great shape...It's not his body..it's his head and the way he wants to play and not play...IMWO

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:49 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... By the way, do not overlook Paul Carey for a spot on the Rangers' opening roster. Skates well. Engaged. Has been very impressive.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:48 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Puempel probably in danger as Rangers mull roster cuts. Didn't do a lot to keep/earn spot.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:44 pm EST

RF: apologies, I'm still catching up on the posts

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:36 pm EST

And that's exactly why I said that HAYES should be doing wind-sprints, thousands of them... He must add quickness off the line and to transition JMNSHCJC opinion

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:34 pm EST

RF: your post at Tue Sep 26 2017 8:20 pm EST: DESHARNAIS totally created the play leading up to the 1st goal with his work behind the Flyer net, and then goes on to score the 2nd goal... Did you happen to see that part of the game?

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:27 pm EST

Rhet: I get the concern. This is definitely a watershed year for him. More of the same and I think he'll be no more than what he is and if that's the case, like you say, coaches will see it, reduce his icetime and like his bigger brother, he'll be attending training camps on PTOs in a few years.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:26 pm EST

That was my feeling on HAYES two years ago and why I really, really worry about the C position..Al he seems to be really good at it puck possession, until he loses it! That's a bit unfair...he can be a really good passer when he plays the team game..And amn if he ever used his body as he should

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:22 pm EST

RF4L... I still think we should get rid of Kevin Hayes before the rest of the League finds out that he doesn't do anything exceptionally well. I still don't see where the guys fits in the long term. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:15 pm EST

The Wheel is turning and it can slow down, you can't let go and you can't hold on, you can't go back and you can't stand still, "if the thunder don't get you then the lightening will!" ........ We need a center, a RHS Defenseman, and a wing (Lettieri?) ......Couldn't you try just a little bit harder? couldn't try just a little bit more?

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:12 pm EST

The invisible dog named Boo? get his game going in Hartfrd then push for New York

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:11 pm EST

LOBO: What about BOO?

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:04 pm EST

STILL adamant that CHTYL and ANdersson should be somewhere other then New York next week..But they are talented kids...But, I'll put even money that CHTYL is concussed within 10 games if he stays..As much as positioing and defense, he needs some coaching in self preservation! And it's only pre-season

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:00 pm EST

Another meh performance by the Rangers as a team ...Just some quick takes...I REALLY LIKE GRAVES..not perfect but think, for the NHL game right now, the most steady of the young D-men..I thought PIONK was a little sloppy..and D'aangelo scares me defensively and is physically weak...ANd while not young, KAMPFER did not have a very good game (way too up and down).....Offensivly, CHYTLY may be as talented as they come offensivly but is a mess in his own end and a little lazy...DESHARNAIS could work as a 4th C..Wish we had a good banger or two for the bottom line..NIEVES is a nothing..Letteri and especially Cary both have their moments...Can we please ditch this Farnham character

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:41 pm EST

OMG, these 2 idiots are clueless. DeAngelo getting physical in a scrum then MIller punches a Flyer and Dickaprick says it's Chytil, who's not even on the ice.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:41 pm EST

rf4l: When was he hit hard? Nothin too big not hat shift from what I saw

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:37 pm EST

Chytil hit hard again. Geesh.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:34 pm EST

Wild: Fair enough. I am impressed with the backline the Flyers are putting together. Gotta-be-here, Sanhiem and that Russian d-man. Geeesh.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:33 pm EST

Kampfer or however you spell it is a typical NHL/AHL guy. He can look so good for a stretch, and you wonder why he isn't on a roster full time every year...then he shows you why he is not always getting NHL minutes....he is a good bottom pair guy one minute and a marginal ECHL player the next....

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:32 pm EST

rf4l: The Flyers have like no kids who were pushing during camp, the couple they had are playing these games, and thats it for them. The Rangers have a handful of players who are young that are playing better than expected. Then there is Graves, who as discussed here likely is going down, and everyone knows it, but being in the Hartford camp wont help any and he is likely a early callup for injuries will stick around until the very end. With the spots up front (Fast injured, the C positions) and the possibilities on the bottom D part and the 7th spot on D (think it will be Kempfer) I think that the Rangers are doing it the right way. I also think the Rangers didn't want to play too many vets in back to back nights...so with that I think they kept a few guys for that purpose alone. I am not too very upset about more cuts to make, and i am encouraged that the Flyers full squad isn't able to walk away here against a bunch of kids on the Rangers roster and missing their top guys for the most part.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:31 pm EST

Kampher sucks.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:27 pm EST

rf4l: Nieves has touched the puck, he had a really nice pass middle of the 2nd that lead to a good scoring chance. But touching the puck isn't the way to decide if a player is involved int he game at times. Save the one bad play on that goal he has not had many mistakes...thats what you want to see from a bottom line forward IMHO.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:25 pm EST

just looked, Both young guys at C have not done well at the dot....makes sense for the purpose rookie, but Nieves should be better at face-offs at this point with some pro experience under his belt....maybe he is another wing playing center type.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:24 pm EST

WIld: I didn't see the first. Commenting on since I started watching which was part way thru the 2nd. Nothing happening offensively since I put it on, save for a nice play here and there. Hell, I don't even know who's in the Flyer net he's had such an uneventful time. I do realize the Flyers have like 3 cuts left whereas the Rangers, for whatever reason, have like 15 left.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:22 pm EST

Wild...has Nieves even touched the puck in the past period+??

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:21 pm EST

a goal and an assist is invisible? Wish there were more invisible guys in the lineup every night

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:21 pm EST

having said that about Nieves, I think in many ways FONTAINE has outplayed him, I just don't know about face-offs....have not looked yet.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:20 pm EST

BTW, Day-R-Nay playing tonight like he's secured a starting spot in the lineup. Almost as invisible as Nieves.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:18 pm EST

Wild: I concur but he needs to learn to recognize when venturing into those dangerous areas to make sure he's not also making himself vulnerable to big hits. Sooner or later, if he doesn't, he'll stop going there out of self-preservation. It's simply human nature.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:17 pm EST

rf4l: If that the only time you noticed him you were not watching. Sorry. But in the shifts leading up to that goal (he was not good on that granted) he made some really good defensive plays, he was in good position and kept the play to the outside, he also kept players covered a few times making them a non-option to receive a pass. He also drove to the right areas without the puck offensively. Again, if you didn't notice him you just were not watching him at all.....not every player is noticeable, and thats OK from a 4th line player.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:16 pm EST

Chytil, BTW, sure looks like the real deal.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:15 pm EST

I recognize there's lots of love on here for Nieves but I see nothing from this kid. Invisible. I noticed him for the first time in about 20 minutes on the 3rd Flyer goal - he was in front of the Ranger net kind of standing around.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:13 pm EST

Nosen all screwed up again with his facts.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:12 pm EST

DeAngelo vs Staal. I really like the latter but based on what I've seen in this pre-season what a no-brainer on who deserves to stay and who doesn't.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:10 pm EST

Chytil nailed again. OMG, he is NOT ready for primetime. He stays it's only a matter of time before he's concussed badly. That hit was dirty but like the Gudas hit, his head is down. If the Rangers don't farm him out they are idiots.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:09 pm EST

One thing about this Chytil kid, he takes a big hit but doesn't shy away as the game continues on. He goes to the tough areas and isn't deterred by rough play. That along with his offensive skill gives hope he can be an impactful player in the NHL

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:05 pm EST

rf4l: I have gotten the impression that the team is trying to reward them for a good showing by talking them up. Honestly they have earned a longer look, I have no problem with the team not just saying "They are young it doesn't matter how well they play" and sending them down early....they can always send both to the AHL and say "It was a tough tough choice, but we want to make sure they are fully adjusted to the North American game" and save face all around. We shall see of course, but I think they should at least get game 1 against the AVS, good chance to see them in a "real" NHL game.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:04 pm EST

Lousy 2nd by the Rangers. Hopefully, a better 3rd is in store. Pavelec very strong in the 2nd period. Good signing, which I figured from the outset - he didn't play starting goalie for like 8 years because he sucks.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:02 pm EST

Gorton interview with the 2 numbnutters basically meaningless but I do get the impression he's on the side of the caution fence with Andersson and Chytil. Could be wishful thinking on my part. We'll find out soon enough.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:59 pm EST

In regards to GRAVES this is the first time he has looked as good for a consistent amount of time. If he had started last year like this in camp he likely would have had a callus and perhaps other offseason moves would have been made to free up a spot for him. He will get farmed out, if he continues to play this well in the AHL I would imagine he will be a call up when injuries hit and Holden may get moved for a center...who knows, Graves may be the guy that gets the Rangers a young stud center (Graves + of course) and that would be bitter sweet of course but perhaps thats the route we see taken by the team. Of course if all the centers step up and play as well as everyone hopes, and the young players really step up on wing as well there may not be such a great need at C. Lots can still happen, but in the case of Graves I think he is moving along just fine and being sent down will not hurt him or the team at this point

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:49 pm EST

I think Graves has done a lot right. Makes me wonder if he’d be a lock a year ago playing like is. But right now, I think he’s outside. However, I do think he’ll be in NY at some point to get a shot when someone has to sit.

E


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:40 pm EST

Like the play of Graves. What a shame he'll get farmed out.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:36 pm EST

Pavelec easily the best Ranger in what I've seen. Rangers slow and giving Philly all kinds of room. And zero offensive pressure.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:35 pm EST

rf4l: Keep in mind, save a couple guys THIS is the Flyers regular season roster....the Rangers are still what, half guys who will not make it? Maybe not half, but still. This is like a B squad for the Rangers and they are right in the game here where it counts.....not a bad sign IMHO for the Rangers, I would be very concerned as a Flyers fan. By rights they should be dominating this game in every way just about not fairly evenly matched.

Wildcard


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:33 pm EST

Sometimes I wanna bitch-slap Kevin Hayes for his stupidity and lazy ass plays.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:30 pm EST

Rangers looking like shit except for their goalie who's been excellent since I put the game on.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:28 pm EST

Wtf Brendan Smith has been absolutely horrid this pre season. Yeah it's pre season and he's a vet but remember he was shit before the playoffs last year and had been pretty spotty in Detroit leading up the the deadline last year. I hope he's not a one hit wonder and he's regressing to the mean here (I wasn't for us bringing him back btw)

_Arc


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:20 pm EST

Just put the game on and like yesterday, Philly controlling the play too often. Pavelec looking steady.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:16 pm EST

STFU you idiot.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 4:35 pm EST

TD, -- Thanks for the additional info about reddit (NHL streams). Used them dozens of times last year, but no luck this preseason, but now I know what I'm doing wrong. Thanks again!!

hipcheck


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:59 pm EST

TD: FYI: Buffalo did the same with William's brother, except he didn't split last year between the AHL and Sweden.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:55 pm EST

RF4L - Ahh yes, I forgot about NYLANDER. Well, in that case, I would be willing to guess that ANDERSSON is Hartford-bound. Would be ditto with CHYTIL I would think, unless him being drafted by North Bay adds some wrinkle...but I didn't think the CHL agreement with the NHL had any provision for Europeans. By merit of play, I expect Chytil in the lineup next week...and Andersson in Hartford. No way are they sending these kids home until they approach the nine-game slide rule.

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:52 pm EST

re: NOLAN - Actually, I remember him being pretty quick for a big guy. Certainly A LOT faster than GLASS. Prone to taking dumb penalties though, which wouldn't really endear him to AV...but...I bet you he'd be right up Lindy Ruff's ally...Rangers were 9th best in the league last year, so he'd have to slip though 22 other teams before they'd get a shot at him...he'd be a big upgrade over FARNHAM, if the Rangers still follow the Dolan edict(must have at least one enforcer on the squad) from the Renney era...Back to Nolan though...He's exactly the type of hard-nosed forward who would be perfect to keep on the roster as a 13th or 14th player...but if my suspicions are correct, we'll have 12th and 13th going to CHYTIL and LETTEIRI, and if there's a 14th, it'll be CAREY or ANDERSSON...I also kind of wonder if there's a gentleman's agreement for teams to not vulture off of waiver wire moves during this part of camp. Every year, I see a good 10 or 12 very solid players pushed onto the waiver list without claim and I just have a hard time believing there are 30 teams that would pass on them...not to say Nolan is one of these guys...but he's one we could REALLY use...and he'd be an instant fan favorite.

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:52 pm EST

Oh joy ....Sporting News Canada @sportingnewsca Mike Milbury will be in the booth for NBC this season doing color while Eddie Olczyk is recovering .... take dickaletti please...:

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:22 pm EST

Sign me up for Jordan Nolan. Would be a good addition to the 4th line. I always remember him being a pain in the ass when he played against the Rangers. Didn't look slow by any means but I could be wrong

Rdw


Tue Sep 26 2017 3:10 pm EST

td: Thanks, I'll check it out and may get back to you about the apps I will need to stop the ads. RF4L: Thanks for the clarification.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:56 pm EST

He's ted Nolan 'a son.... apple meet tree....good replacement for glass

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:44 pm EST

Agreed right now Buch does not need to be farmed out. His offensive skill is simply too valuable not to be included. I concur with TD - he and MZA right now appear to provide the Rangers with the most skill at generating offensive set-ups.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:43 pm EST

Tdchi how many teams have to pass for the nyr to claim him? And then they have to keep him on their roster? He's big , but is he fast enough and defensively responsible for assvipe? Fishboy and veenyo seem overboard and hell bent on kids . The retooling on the fly is not really going for it this year. It's an afterthought and extra gravy if it happens.

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:36 pm EST

Ranger47: Here's the rule: If a player who is signed to an entry-level contract and is 18 or 19 years of age (as of September 15 of the signing year), does not play in a minimum of 10 NHL games (including both regular season and playoffs; AHL games do not count), their contract is considered to ‘slide’, or extend, by one year. For example, if a player signed an ELC for three seasons from 2015-16 to 2017-2018, and their contract slides, their contract is now effective from 2016-17 to 2018-19. An exception to this rule is that if the player is 19 on September 15 of the first year of their contract, and turns 20 between September 16 and December 31, their contract does not slide. The Leafs handled William Nylander using this rule. In his 18th year, he split time between his Swedish team and the AHL Marlies. Year 2 he started with the Marlies then played 22 games with the LEafs at the end of the year. For Andersson (and Nylander) that non-slide clause is not applicable. Andersson won't turn 19 until October. Therefore, the Rangers could send him to Hartford and keep him there all year and they won't burn a year off his ELC.

rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:05 pm EST

NOLAN: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7728

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:01 pm EST

Jordan NOLAN cut by the Kings. That's a waiver claim I'd make in a hurry.

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:52 pm EST

STEVIE -- And the top two lines worry me with ZBAD and HAYES in the middle..Not worried about the D one bit...CM - it doesn't even have to be a full year or even half a year....And alot of times, players (both kids and vets) dominate in the meaningless pre-season but hit the Wall almost as soon as the real stuff starts because it finally matters to everybody and it becomes about systems, responsibilites and a bit more intensity/physicality (although that really ramps up in feb/MAR)...I know the Rangers are trying to teach all this to CHYTL and ANDERSSON NOW but these things take time..

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:43 pm EST

Hospo did you watch the fishstinks ? ... lol... who ever the brain rust keeps I doubt will make a big difference over the first 9 games. The top 2 lines and top 4 d have to lead this team ....what's the chance the opening night roster will be the closing night roster ? ... slim to none ?

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:43 pm EST

I'm with HOSPO on both of the kids. I still would prefer hey play another year somewhere else. Why not give them the confidence to dominate at another level and then come in and have an impact. If we were a desperate team it would make sense. But I think both can be useful at the NHL level now. Why rush?

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:41 pm EST

E - I think there's valid arguments for both keeping CHYTL up and sending him Down..It's up to the Rangers and what they want out of this season...But again, there's only two current Rangers that did not get time in the AHL (and one of them should havve--HAYES) for fine tuning and acclimation..

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:29 pm EST

And the thing with CHYTL, the Rangers are making sure that he gets every man advanhtage opportunity, every 5-3 and every open ice situation...It's easier to look good in those conditions..I try not to look at any of that and just look at him when he's on at ES..I think he has done some good things in the offensive zone at ES also..He's a smart offensive player to go along with his talent..still, some laziness and lack of awareness on defense need to be changed (can easily be done in Hartford)..and I'd like to build the kid up a little more also...Just the way I'd do it

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:28 pm EST

mf - I got your message and keep meaning to respond. I don't have an issue with it as long as I don't have folks saying 'well, I want X player back...' et cetera. For one instance, not a biggie. I'll try to check into the logistics in a bit...as for BUCHNEVICH? F-NO. He may not be the soundest player in the defensive zone, but outside of ZUCCARELLO, I can't name player on the team who is better in the O-zone. Maybe CHYTIL.

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:24 pm EST

Ranger47 - Save yourself a lot of money and go here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/ I've had a 100 percent success rate after reading the "Getting Started with NHL Streams." Basically, you use Chrome to watch the games and download a couple of simple apps that block popups. Never had a problem since and it's free!

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:21 pm EST

I know i watch different games than everybody while taking too many hits on a bong, but just a few thoughts after last nighs game and not reading anything here or in the papers, in the papers..As a team, very unimpressd with thev Rangers last night..Thjought they let the Flyers carry the play too much and win the play in the ofensive and defensve zone..OTOH, Rangers have the speed and transition..Regrading players who MAY be fighting for a job..Couldn't find anything to praie or criticize D'Angelo or Kampfer with..So I remain convinced from previous games that D''Angelo needs to spend time in the AHL and Kampfer is the perfect 7th D-man for the early season...As for the forwards, CHYTL is going to be an offensive beast in the NHL and right now he can play the PP and is comfotable in the offensive zone....I'm just asking for a few months in the AHL to make him even better..for him and the team...I thought ANDERSSON had a good game...continuin his 1 good 1 bad since the Juniors..I can't lie, he could probably help the Rangers a little as a 4th liner Right now..But isn't he supposd to be the future of the organization..a player picked to be much more then that? let him practice those skills as a 1st lienr in Hartdord for a few mionths...Biottom line, neither CHYTL nor ANdersson have convinced me they can only be in NY ......As for the other potential 4th liners.....I have still yet to see anything from Boo Nieves....But....BOTH CAREY and LETTERI were all over the ice, playing with confidence...I'd still look at the waiver wire..but I could see the merit of bioth Carey and Letteri making the team..All IMWO

Hospo


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:01 pm EST

TD: please check the RFC league email. t/y

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 1:00 pm EST

Anyone here feel that BUCHNEVICH would benefit from a couple 2-6 games in Hartford getting 20+ minutes a night & then a call up?

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 12:57 pm EST

Ranger47 - I'm sure you could do that...but I believe the nine games applies to the AHL as well. Bottom line is the nine games business ain't exactly a great path to take, IMO. Either commit to making the kid a pro and work with him or send him back to wherest he came from...My read of the tea leaves is that CHYTIL is here to stay. ANDERSSON? Not so sure. I wouldn't be surprised if he's on plane home next week...that's especially since it sure looks like LETTERI is on a path to playing in New York...and I think you could get much of what Andersson brings from NIEVES...but there simply isn't any non-roster player in camp that is performing like Chytil. He's not knocking on the door. He's kicking the goddamn thing in.

tdchi


Tue Sep 26 2017 12:49 pm EST

R47: figure out a way to hack into my account at Spectrum. WTF do I care?

mf


Tue Sep 26 2017 12:43 pm EST

I would like to be able to subscribe to Ranger games on my computer and TV whether I'm local or not. I understand that the NHL package blacks out local games. But, does the NHL let you replay the local games after they are over (the next day?)? Is there any other reliable option? I used to subscribe to a third party that went belly up....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 12:00 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 2h2 hours ago More By the way, do not overlook Paul Carey for a spot on the Rangers' opening roster. Skates well. Engaged. Has been very impressive.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:59 am EST

D:Smith, Pionk, Kampfer, Graves, Skjei, DeAngelo G: Pavelec/Halverson

stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:59 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 2h2 hours ago More NYR lineup in Philly 2nite: F: Miller, Hayes, Farnham Nieves, Vesey. Carey, Grabner, Desharnais, Fontaine, Chytil, Buch, Lettieri

stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:54 am EST

Thanks Rhet, got it!

hipcheck


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:52 am EST

Does anyone know if they decide to send Anderson to Hartford and keep Chytil for 9 games and he turns out to not be ready (and send him back to the Czech Republic), can they subsequently call up Anderson and try him out for 9 games and if HE proves unable to stay and gets sent back to the AHL do the Rangers not lose a year on Anderson's contract? I'm also assuming that Anderson would not have to clear waivers either, right?

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:41 am EST

Hipcheck.... You should have it now.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 11:25 am EST

I knew Brooks was going to troll the web looking to put an electric jolt to New York Rangers nuts with that whole comparing Cheeto to Malhotra. Outside of the McIlrath situation pretty much every New York Rangers talent was brought along nicely and developed into their talents. There is absolutely NO reason to think that wouldn’t continue. There is no desperation. This is not a team that has a wasteland of apathetic UFA in their lineup like the late 1990’s. This is a team that’s won more playoff games then most teams in the NHL over the better part of what? 10-years? If the two 1-rounders can play then they’ll play. Who knows if they’ll be here long term or just in the opening night lineup. So, Brooks I know you like to turn the screw and haven’t had an original thought bouncing around in that old durian of yours for years but STFU.

E


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:26 am EST

Andrew Desjardins has one more game to go on his suspension. It probably cost him any chance he has of making the team.... Per the NHL Player Safety‏Verified account @NHLPlayerSafety..... NY Rangers’ Andrew Desjardins suspended two preseason games for an illegal check to the head on NJ's Miles Wood.

Rhet0ric


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:14 am EST

Vic- any time I want some forewarning on what the Rangers would do, just listen between the lines to Shitaletti. That imp never had an original thought in his whole miserable whiinney life. The only reason he has job is because he is a willing mouthpiece for whatever the garden wants support for. People were getting a little antsy about the Center situation and viola.... 3 straight games of sweet nothings about the three kids. I think both of them would be better served in the long run by spending another year developing such that their celiling would be higher. But I doubt it; Looks like at least one of them will be here. I hope Vinny makes it; he has earned it imo. I know he missed the net a lot yesterday but I thought it was his best game since he was in position to take this shots so often. He's just all action and I think he'd be perfect for a possession type 4th line (with dayrna and grabner). At the end of the day, if they do keep either of kite or alias, I hope they get top 9 min

_Arc


Tue Sep 26 2017 10:01 am EST

I think you have to have Buch as a top 9 (if not top 6) forward to best utilize his offensive skills. I kind of liked what I saw with him with K and Z. I like Zucc but that top line could use another finisher as opposed to someone with a pass-first mentality. He'd be better setting up a couple of finishers himself. Also liked having Nash with Vesey. Here's my lines: KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, MILLER-CHEETOS-MZA, VESEY-HAYES-NASH, GRABNER-DEHARNAIS-LETTIERI. It would be hard to stop all three of those balanced lines....

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:51 am EST

Send Cheetos to North Bay!

rF4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:47 am EST

In thinking about the opening day lineup and who is likely to make the team I started thinking about the forward line combos a bit more. I think I'd like to see the following: KREIDER-ZBAD-MZA, MILLER-CHEETOS-NASH, VESEY-HAYES-LETTIERI, GRABNER-DEHARNAIS-BUCH. That lineup with give the Rangers scoring from all 4 lines and a defensive presence on each as well. I really like the idea of putting LETTIERI with HAYES and VESEY because I think he can do a lot of what HAGS did so effectively playing with HAYES, and I think it would do HAYES a lot of good to have a guy he can pass to that has a shoot first mentality.

Vic


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:45 am EST

No one has suggested this, but the guy would looks like he could replace Fast in the near term - assuming he could play wing - might be Anderson. Seems to be a good/reliable defensive player.

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 9:40 am EST

Some thoughts from last night. For the first time I thought DeANGELO outplayed KAMPFER in these games. I thought he had a good night. He was good with the puck when he had it and he was fine in his own end. CHEETOS took that big hit from GOONASS but seemed fine afterwards. It hurt, no doubt, but he seemed to recover quickly and was none the worse for ware the rest of the game. That is a good sign. He appears to be big enough and heavy enough to handle it, although he really does need to put on weight and muscle. I thought ANDERSSON played his best game last night. I still don't see how there is room for both he and CHEETOS on this roster right now and I believe he would be best served playing in Hartford to start the season. LETTIERI shot the puck a lot last night but overall I'd say that was his worst game with the puck. Without the puck he was still very good. MICHALETTI kept making the point when talking about him that the Rangers need to replace FAST in the lineup until he comes back. It felt like MICHALETTI had some inside info from the coaching staff that they see LETTIERI as that guy.

Vic


Tue Sep 26 2017 8:18 am EST

Vinnie had another good game and I sure hope he makes the team. He's exactly what we need on a team with too many passers - someone who likes to shoot!

Ranger47


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:54 am EST

rf they will probably not cut guys until after their team bonding trip...and group hug.....fix the pp....change whoever doesn't perform on it after each pp.....change the coaches for trying the sos over and over again, expecting different results....hire a real pp specialist to coach all of them.....including heckle and Jekyll.... execute or be executed....so is it cheetos, churtle, or cheatalil....?....and andtheirson...

stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:41 am EST

stevie: Practice my ass. AV had Paul Carey on the PP at one point. I mean, WTF is that all about? 1 pre-season game left and they're still carrying too many players - AV said cuts down to 24 or 25 after tonight's game. I mean are they really that undecided about all those guys? Just silliness IMO.

rF4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:33 am EST

phyllip chytil is going to be our jean ratelle 50 years removed lias anderson is a solid 2nd line type and vinnie litteri is a keeper very solid and impressive 3 way player with a bit of an edge i like what i see

docjay


Tue Sep 26 2017 7:29 am EST

Funniest part of the game after a nyr pathetic passing pp, the camera goes on assvipe and he proceeds to make faces and roll his eyes, then talks with his specialist ahkneel about it. And supposedly they practiced the pp in the am . So they accomplished practice doesn't make perfect, not even close. And the 2 coaches seem to believe they have no responsibility for that since they practiced it. Wafj ....

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 6:57 am EST

Wild. For sure he's a work in progress. Equally for sure is that offensively he's a gem with huge upside. He made things happen time and time again. Very exciting.

Rf4l


Tue Sep 26 2017 6:20 am EST

Mark Pavelich?

Gibbo


Tue Sep 26 2017 5:18 am EST

Ami I the only one who thinks Cousin Vinny plays a lot like another former NYR who was a small center with hockey hair that always was around the puck- a guy who assisted on on of the most famous goals in hockey history ?

PUCKYOU


Tue Sep 26 2017 4:47 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/25/kevin-hayes-will-have-to-adjust-to-nhls-newest-safety-regulation/

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 4:45 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/26/rangers-owe-it-to-their-young-players-to-show-patience/

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 26 2017 2:16 am EST

Rhet, -- I never got the email. No worries, no big deal, I appreciate the sentiment. Hook me up for next game, thanks! jrp2k13@gmail.com

hipcheck


Mon Sep 25 2017 10:24 pm EST

RF4L: In regards to Buch in his own zone. He clearly needs work but at the same time I am hopeful since at times he has made the correct decisions and made some good plays away from the puck in the D zone. So clearly he is capable when he sees the right play, and with experience he will most likely get better. Only time will tell and I don't expect a great 2 way game from him but I think he could be more balanced in his play even by the end of this season.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 10:00 pm EST

Glad to see Some Zucc love on the wall. I can't believe how easily people on here are willing to throw him on the trade bus, justifying tit by mentioning his age, size, etc. you can't teach what he has.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:46 pm EST

Yes, there was chemistry with 2 2-somes.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:43 pm EST

MF.... Who cares? We beat the Flyers, that's all that matter. Pre-season; post season; squash. Just as long as we beat them.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:39 pm EST

Sorry guys, just can't get excited with this 3 on 3 OT stuff

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:39 pm EST

Not to give AV a compliment, but I like Nash playing with Buch and Zuc playing with Chytil. They complimented each other pretty well.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:38 pm EST

Nice goal by McD. Nice puck movement by Chytil.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:37 pm EST

YEAAJHHHHHHHH BABYYYYYY MCDONAGH WITH THE WIN!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:36 pm EST

3 on 3 is just not hockey

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:36 pm EST

Rhet: Of course - it's the NHL. Stupid league.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:35 pm EST

Ref's whistles are in their pockets.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:31 pm EST

Buch excellent in the offensive end but OMG, needs work defensively for sure. It'll be interesting to see how AV handles him. In that final few seconds, he got knocked to the ice by the Flyer as they went to the puck like a houseleaguer. For sure needs to be far stronger in his own zone. But damn, very impressive with the puck. From what I saw, easily the most effective Ranger forward. Nash, tho, right behind him.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:30 pm EST

Hank already looks like he's in regular season form. Good sign.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:28 pm EST

Yep, there he is. Nice getting open.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:27 pm EST

TD / HHH Tim: Please check your Yahoo RFC League Email. Thanks

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:25 pm EST

Has Chytil been back on the ice after that hit?

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:24 pm EST

Haven't seen all of the preseason games but I can't figure out why they're considering keeping Chytil on the team.

RDW


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:23 pm EST

This looks like last year's Ottawa PO series! They look like crap this period.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:22 pm EST

Guess Paul Carey has made the team and will get PP time.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:21 pm EST

Zuc deserves the "A". The players need to start following his example.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:21 pm EST

STFU you idiots.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:20 pm EST

Rhet: That's what I thought. Gawd, I hate the Flyers. And I hate turn the other cheek mentality.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:18 pm EST

Fontaine has been a pleasant surprise.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:18 pm EST

And kudos to MZA for responding. Dress what's his name tomorrow night AV. You nob.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:17 pm EST

Ohhh Staal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:15 pm EST

That was a clean hit - Cheetos had his head down. Better learn real quick kid or you'll be la-la-land soon enough.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:13 pm EST

The littlest guy on the team sticking up for his teammate. Reason 5,432 of why I'm a Zuccarello fan :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:13 pm EST

There it is. Yikes. Not even regular season yet.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:12 pm EST

It's the Philadelphia Flyers, of course it was on purpose.

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:11 pm EST

Provoroff (or whatever his name is) and Gottabehere. Yikes...

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:10 pm EST

Andersson takes some dude named Wheel hard to the boards and gets a Flyer stick right over his head. Went really fast and of course the idiot announcers missed it - was it on purpose??

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:06 pm EST

OMG, Shittenkirk with a horrid pass that creates a 2 on 0. LOL!

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:02 pm EST

What a move by Buch. Almost makes up for being a passenger on the 2nd goal(caught watching the play and losing his man).

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:36 pm EST

Sanheim 2, NYR 1. What is he now the 2nd coming of Paul Coffey? Wake up guys!

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:06 pm EST

Kreider skating in mud. Nice.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:05 pm EST

Why is Paul Carey playing? Is there really a chance he could make the final cuts?

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:01 pm EST

What insight - caught the last 30 seconds of his take on the first and Joe wisely expounds that Andersson and Chytil learned something that period due to the veteran lineup the Flyers have dressed. Of course, nothing about what they learned and examples of it. That sort of straight forward insight is beyond this incompetent turd. I mean, is this guy just another aspect of the Ranger fan curse?

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 6:45 pm EST

Sorry, I stepped out for a minute. Did you get it?

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 6:24 pm EST

Same crap from Joe. All about Flyers. STF, Joe. How many times Dave talked about Isles? None!!!! If Knicks found a way to trade Melo, there had to replace Joe vs Dave!!

Andrei


Mon Sep 25 2017 6:13 pm EST

Nash pp goal ... what time is the snowfall starting ?

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 6:13 pm EST

Since philthy is not televising the game , dickaletti will give them more info on the cryers then they would get or want from their homers if they can get msg

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:57 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 1h With Miller starting on wing, centers in focus and Fast back in a month, who's on bubble? Farnham, Carey, Fontaine, Pumps, Lettieri?

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:37 pm EST

Hipcheck... Send me an e-mail and I'll send you the link. Rhetoric2k@yahoo.com

Rhet0ric


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:01 pm EST

Anyone have a link for game tonight? Haven't had much luck with reddit this preseason. Hospo, -- What's the one you used last year, blabseal something or other? Thanks!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:00 pm EST

MF: From everything we are hearing at least one of CHEETOS or ANDERSSON is going to make the team out of camp. If it is CHEETOS then he will be the 2nd or 3rd line center. If it is ANDERSSON then he will be the 3rd or 4th line center. If it is both then the Rangers should be ashamed of themselves. The only way someone like BOO makes the roster is if both ANDERSSON and CHEETOS are cut. It does BOO no good to be riding pine in NY when he could/should be playing in Hartford. And frankly as little as we have seen from ANDERSSON in the preseason he has been better then BOO.

Vic


Mon Sep 25 2017 4:41 pm EST

VIC: I'm aware that Day-R-Nay was always considered for one of the Center Slots, I attempted to point out that the NYR's may now be considering him for the "3rd Line" role, in which case Fontaine or Boo may have a shot at Centering the 4th line, or an Import shouldn't be that difficult to pick up along the way

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 4:34 pm EST

Vic: Not the Miller ones - most of us feel the same way: AV doesn't want Miller at centre.

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 4:21 pm EST

Just curious, how many games did jt jitters play at center? Was it the 3 assvipe claimed ?

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 4:12 pm EST

Jim Cerny Jim Cerny @JimCerny Former #NYR Brandon Prust released today from his PTO with @LAKings

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 4:07 pm EST

RF4L: Am I still overreacting to AV's comments last week? I said at the time that they had already made the decision to kill the MILLER move to Center after 1 preseason game. And yes, it bothers me. MF: DEHARNAIS has always been slotted as one of the 4 centers. ZBAD, HAYES, MILLER and DEHARNAIS were the 4. Now it will most likely be ZBAD, HAYES, CHEETOS/ANDERSON and DEHARNAIS. ANDERSSON has done nothing to show me that he is ready. At best he will play a decent defensive game. But offensively he has shown very little both at the TCT and through the preseason. CHEETOS has shown very high offensive skills and has been responsible defensively. He has a long way to go as far as being a two way player but at least I can see him being a difference maker offensively.

Vic


Mon Sep 25 2017 3:59 pm EST

rf since they are not matthews or david, at least not yet if ever. Why are they possibly making the roster? I'll assume it's just for 9 games, which is ok to some extent. if it's beyond that, the nyr are desparate or really believe these kids are better than their others are really nhl ready

stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 3:42 pm EST

mf: Re rushing kids and who's right and who's wrong: It's an endless non-winnable argument regardless of what side of that argument you're on. It's not an exact science so one cannot definitively point to a 22 year old kid who turned pro at 18 or 19 and who's under-achieving and say it's because he was rushed. That said, I defy anyone to show me evidence of a kid who was harmed by letting him first dominate his own competitive level before pushing him into a higher competitive level. On the other hand, we've seen time and time again teenagers flounder at the pro level because they are mentally or physically capable of handling the 82 game grind against seasoned men and for whatever reason, while management, for whatever reason, refuses to acknowledge it. The Rangers have been guilty of this in the past. So have many other teams. I find it preposterous that a team would risk what is truly a valuable commodity (a talented young kid) like when doing the opposite (farm him out) is clearly the lower risk choice. So short-sighted. And dumb.

rF4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 3:09 pm EST

Wild: Agree on playing Miller at wing, but what I don’t want to see is the NYR Brass changing their minds with every shift in the Wind and move Miller from Wing to Center and Center to Wing IF he’s not ready to handle that type of role… Put him in a position To succeed and leave him there………… And man have we not come “Full Circle” this off-season? Specifically: we still have a gaping hole at center, and we still need a RHS Defenseman……… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzGWYShgmfk

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:44 pm EST

mf: I too am impressed with the positive change in Miller, seems he has taken big steps in maturity. Now at the same time to me, he is still a wing, and it seems that the coaches feel that as well. Not that he would be "bad" at center, but I think he is much better at wing....and why use a guy in a place where he is not as good? Should use every player where they can provide the most positive impacts.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:43 pm EST

mf - Just going by what I saw of GRIMALDI in college and in the World Juniors. Used to be a dynamic offensive force. But I haven't seen him play in a couple years now.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:42 pm EST

mf: I don't think Holden has "earned" a spot so much as he hasn't done anything to lose the spot he had. He has quietly gone about his business. I think he is still as close to being traded as you can be as a player. Because how many young kids are looking good I think Holden becomes more expendable, and with that the Rangers can try to build a larger deal around him to get something of need, or just get a couple picks. I think it will take a bit of time for teams to feel the need to make a trade....teams at this point will try to get the best out of the players they have, once they see they need something, like a D they will make some calls, or an early injury will force it. SO Holden will start on the roster if only to keep his value up until they find a trade partner, and perhaps to give a kid a few weeks to work on something in the AHL they want to see improvement on, once that improvement is there they could've Holden and promote the kid.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:42 pm EST

RF4L - Disagree, re: SAMUELSSON. He HAD NHL talent...but the past two years he's been banged up. Can't say what that has done to his development, but he's still young.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:41 pm EST

re Center: DESHARNAIS, could he have helped push MILLER back to the wing with his play? I lean on the opinions of you folks who have a much better read on the game, is DESHARNAIS vying for the 3rd line center slot? JT Miller / Day-r-nay / Buchnevich ? I'm really impressed with Miller's coming out and showing leadership this offseason & I think that he and Desharnais can really support Buchnevich who does Not shy away from the contact..... That leaves an opening at the 4th line center position....... Is FONTAINE or BOO up to the task, could be the mindset going into the season.......

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:37 pm EST

also as I said, I don't buy into the ability to ruin a kid by playing him at a higher level...I don't know how much that actually happened, and how much it will still happen today. These kids are mentally prepared for what they are facing more than any time in the past. I don't think you can take a top 6 kid and turn him into an AHL player, or even a 4th line player...no granted I think that taking time in the AHL to work on the issue areas is better, its easier to do and with less pressure to do so quickly, but they can still do it at the NHL level. I don't think that starting these kids in the NHL and if they struggle in the first 4-5 games to send them down will do anything. And the AHL will not hurt them vs going to Sweden or junior...they will learn more and develop a better North American pro game playing in a pro league in NA....and thats the point...and with how well they have one in the pre-season holding their own and looking very good at times I don't see how anything below the AHL would help....if you are too good for a lower level you will just create bad habits, better to have them be challenged.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:32 pm EST

CMark, interesting stuff t/y: IMO Graves should be invited to attend the "team bonding trip" to Lake Placid...... On the LHS D saga, CRAWLEY certainly got himself noticed in a good way and should be added to the list of depth we have at that position..... I thought that the STAAL / HOLDEN tandem the other night was nothing to write home about. Holden did pinch in on the offensive side of the puck at times, but heck, has he earned a spot on this roster? ..... As for Deangelo & Pionk let them dominate in the AHL to prove they warrant a callup.....

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:30 pm EST

mf: One of my biggest points is exactly that. Just plain dumb to have either be NHLers. I like Gorton and am holding out hope rational thinking will prevail and both will be farmed out. I suppose keeping them around for a few early season games to give them a taste of the real NHL (not pre-season where for 3/4's of the games half of the lineups face zero chances of starting the season anywhere but the minors/juniors). But don't do what some wishy-washy organizations have done and keep them in the pressbox for most of the games until the season is well over 1/3 done. Both needs 20+ minutes of icetime on a regular basis to develop properly.

rF4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:30 pm EST

mf: I am not arguing that point. And I think Anderson would be stale in Sweden, he needs to be in a better league now to push him. As for helping the Rangers in this years playoffs...they might...thats a long ways away...but again, I think that if the answer appears to be "no" then as I said it shows some insight into what the NYR management team and coaches think about the chances this season.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:25 pm EST

WildCard: There's two sides to a coin: If Andersson played for one of the best leagues outside the NHL, it certainly will Not stunt his development playing part of or another season there...... Here's the thing; can anyone confidently state that the addition of Andersson & or Chytle is going to help the Rangers go further in the playoffs THIS season than without them? ...... Nope!

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:18 pm EST

TD: are you trying to turn this place into, "our Italian restaurant?" ROCCO GRIMALDI? The guy is 5'6" & can't even get on the rides in Coney Island.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9027

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:16 pm EST

TD: Samuelsson simply doesn't have NHL talent. The same goes for the other ex-Ranger's kid you like so much - Matteau. Most certainly it would be a great story if he made it but like you said, time is running out (if it hasn't already).

rF4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 2:14 pm EST

Hospo: That's Cerny's opinion being cited on here as gospel. There's lots of time left between now and that infamous 9 game limit. Hell, if the Rangers handle things as they've been known to do previously, both could get into the 9th games by Xmas!

rF4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:57 pm EST

Player that I didn't see is Ahti OKSANEN, who couldn't stick with the Pack through their miserable season, but had a pretty good year with Greenville. But apparently he's decided to play back in Europe. Signed in the Finnish Elite.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:55 pm EST

Pack released it's camp roster. Great to see Henrik SAMUELSSON on the roster. He signed a deal with the ECHL's Idaho Steelheads, which he'd presumably forgo if he makes the Pack. Window is rapidly closing for this kid and TBH, I'm not really sure what happened to him. He was a genuine prospect his draft year, had a very good career in the WHL and then parlayed that into a very good start with the Yotes' AHL team. But the past two years have been awful for him. I've read his development was pretty much derailed by injuries, but I have no idea what was wrong with him. His draft year, he was a very highly regarded prospect...not a can't miss, but with his size and ability, he was pretty much considered a future NHLer. Wanted the Rangers to pick him, but the Yotes fortuitously grabbed him instead of SKJEI.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:47 pm EST

"have not had"

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:46 pm EST

Legs: That’s where I draw the line, Doughnuts are off limits! As for Deangelo, being a RHS is a huge advantage for him as the universe of supply & demand is in his favor… He made it to Broadway, he best implement “systems & structures” everywhere in his life because patience has it’s limitations, especially in New York…… Here’s a title for his upcoming book, “Why I Lost!?” ……… As for the Andersson / Chytle topic, these kids are 18 years old and not exactly Draisaitl & McDavid….. Should they be fast-tracked to the AHL & then the NHL to soften the void of years the Rangers have had 1st round talent to promote, at the risk of hindering their ultimate potentials? …..…… Want to let these kiddies play 9 games here? Fine by me and then send these two back to their home leagues, don’t burn an inexpensive year of contract, The NYR’s need to be smart with the money management, cap space can be a great Trump Card in negotiations when dealing with a team that has spent their way into a corner…. Bet we could extract draft picks for next season out of Toronto & or Detroit, a draft deemed deeper than this past year’s draft…. Unfortunately, the penalty for exceeding the cap Does NOT have enough teeth in it for my liking. “IF” a team that exceeds the cap had “that amount of money reduced” from the upcoming seasons cap, that would be a huge deterrent… ie: Look at Toronto & Detroit for this upcoming season: each team would be seriously shafted if they had $4.5mill and $3mill subtracted from the current cap limit of $75mill….. Teeth like this would force trades and it would actually help Bungholio “Stepford Wife” Buttman spread the talent throughout the league…. Tbc….

mf


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:35 pm EST

Yeah, kitchen, I much prefer seeing the effing Islanders mentioned every time YOU post...

LeoS


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:25 pm EST

HOSPO: I think saying Anderson isn't close too ready is a bit too far. He is close to ready He knows the game well, and he isn't being outclassed physically. Lets not forget he was playing effectively in one of the best leagues outside of the NHL, he isn't some wet behind the ears kid who has only played against other kids. I think he will be a youngster that will get better the more he plays in the NHL. Again, it might be better to have him in the AHL, but I don't think being in the NHL will hurt him. This might give us more of an incite into what the team management really thinks about the chances of a cup win. If they are willing to give these kids spots it might mean they are willing to deal with the ups and downs and those types of ups and downs usually mean no cup....

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:09 pm EST

HOSPO....STFU and root for the Islanders. You say the same shit over and over and over. Root for another team.

kitchen1


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:09 pm EST

HOSPO- I agree with you on the fact that neither kid is ready, I am okay if they want to use the 9 game NHL rule to have an extended tryout in games that count, especially with FAST out. They aren't going to trade for anyone now because most teams aren't going to trade guys that would help the Rangers at this point. I really think they should send down PIONK, GRAVES and DEANGELO until they decide what is goingto happen with HOLDEN and/or STAAL who are still unimpressive. On forwards, send down LETTIERI (who has made this team in my opinion, but we can send him down without losing him on waivers), NIEVES and FONTAINE and let them play in Hartford while the kids are getting looks in the show. Keep PUEMPEL and FARNHAM as the spares until one or both of the kids are sent somewhere else. PUEMPEL is a good guy who can play any position and any line while FARNHAM could be a nice pest thrown out there once in a while.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 1:03 pm EST

Preseason needs to be for coaches too . I know who to cut...

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:59 pm EST

Wow..Anderssonn And Chytll to make the team?...Unless they are constantly playing at 5-3 or 5-4, they are gonna get schooled. and abused..Andersson isn't close to ready and Chytl is only ready offensively...Little chance for a Cup with this team as is...Gorton has a built in excuse for doing a bad job for this season.....As for the D, If Staal and Holden are still on the team, I see no reason to keep Pionk or D'angelo sitting on a bench (and both will be a defensive liability if they make the team)..Give them a few months in the A to grow..AH, Ranger development, there's a reason they have won only one cup in 78 years..Management..nothing has changed..

Hospo


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:54 pm EST

TD: I think Anderson really lends his talents to the bottom-6. He has shown me that he really understands a 3-zone game. I get the feeling that Cheeto would languish down there. He’s just an offensive guy. He isn’t that guy who will grit, grind, get in faces etc... I was looking for some kind of comparison to Anderson and he seems to me cut from the Corey Perry end of the spectrum. Not as good of course but he is tenacious, likes to bang, and I see a guy who play on the edge. I see some growing pains on him. He definitely didn’t seem to have rhythm against the NJD but you’re going to have nights like that. I think that DeAngelo is real close if not in but Pionk outside of the occasional gaffe trying some plays that’ll never work in the NHL looked more rounded. I’ll state this, Holden better have handed in his 30-day notice to the landlord because I don’t think he is in the plans going forward.

E


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:45 pm EST

COMark: I agree on Graves. I think that Graves has essentially had a decision made, he will be in the AHL on the top pair, and likely a first call up when there are injuries. But since he will be that first or at least early call up it makes sense to have him around longer during camp so he can get used to playing with the team some. Camp in the AHL isn't going to help him develop any more than NHL camp (probably less) so there is no point.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:31 pm EST

But reading the tea leaves, they have probably already decided to cut Graves and today is more about a battle between KAMPFER and DEANGELO for the 8th spot if they've decided to keep PIONK as a Clendenning. It makes no sense IMHO as Deangelo and Pionk will develop much more as a top pair in the AHL. They might be keeping all these guys to be part of the team building because they are the most likely call-ups due to injury or if Holden is traded. As for Forwards: If ANDERSSON and CHYTIL have made the team (for at least the first 9 games) that would mean CAREY, FONTAINE, PUEMPEL and NIEVES get their last shots to make the team today and/or tomorrow.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:23 pm EST

When it comes to MILLER at center. The games this preseason he played there he looked better than in the past as a C, but still not great, and thats against lesser players in the preseason. I just don't think he is an NHL Center, or at least not a very good one. He is much better at wing, and can fill in at the center position when needed. There is noticing wrong with that, and if he ends up playing more wing than center so be it. We also don't see what he does in practice, and perhaps in practice he just isn't getting his positioning as a center down well, and if thats the case don't force it. Some here and other places with Rangers fans seem to want to find things to gripe about...I don't think this is one that should be catching that stuff. Like it or not those two kids are looking a lot better than most thought they would...me for sure, and its a good thing. I agree with most that they should start in the AHL, but what if they can just take off? What if they do just improve as they go in the NHL? Its a risk, but its not "our" risk so I am just going o enjoy it whatever happens. The worst case scenario is that one of or both of these kids fail and can never recover from it...but the newer "breed" of young athletes seem to be immune from that kind of thing. They are so much more prepared for the mental side of being a professional it blows my mind, and physically, yikes, the new generation of athletes are in some crazy good shape. I tend to try to trust the people who're pros at this...yes there have been mistakes as we see them...but I always have to ask, for those kids who people say were rushed and therefore never became what was expected, how many would have with time in the AHL? perhaps all, perhaps none....likely its someplace at the lower end of numbers. I mean, maybe 25% of them would have been better than they actually turned out...I think a lot of times the idea of what they would become was overblown and it didn't have anything to do with how they were handled. And yeah maybe some more would have been slightly better, but from 3rd/4th line player to 1st/ lone player...no, sorry...and today thats a less likely scenario I think just because they start training them for being a pro as kids more than they ever did before. There isn't a want to prepare them more, its that science has developed, we know more about phycology and physical training and the how too parts of those now than just 5 years ago, let ago 10-15 years ago. Its easier to prepare young people now than ever before, and we are just stating to see those kids come into the NHL, perhaps Anderson and Chytil or part of that new super generation when it comes to sports and we will see something special here...

Wildcard


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:18 pm EST

With Cattenacci and Schneider on waivers, I expect those 2, Halverson, Crawley, Fogarty, Carey and Kosmachuk to be the next cuts. That leaves 6 lines for the team building in Lake Placid and 10 D.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:16 pm EST

So here is how I'd play the guys today: Kreider-ZBad-Zucc, Lettieri-Chytil-Nash, Fontaine-Andersson-Buchnevich, Puempel-Nieves-Carey, McD-Shatt, Deangelo-Smith. Kampfer-Staal

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:58 am EST

Tdchi didn't mean cerney .... the idiots on msg have been pushing both since game 1 of preseason... it was almost blatant... it's fairly absurd to me including not letting jt jitters try his natural position again ... they better be right instead of playing cya....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:52 am EST

Maybe...but remember Cerney is no longer with the Rangers' PR. It's his own observations of ANDERSSON. I don't see it, but suffice to say I'm no scout.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:50 am EST

Tdchi that has to do with picking Anderson first... another predictable story.... the nyr are in on the definition of insanity.... I just don't see why they feel that desperate and in a rush .... they seem to be more interested in their pr and their talking points...:

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:46 am EST

Was just perusing Twitter and noticed Cerney talking about CHYTIL and ANDERSSON...says the latter "definitely" made the team and the Chytil is close...Find that strange...I would have flipped that around...Chytil has been much more noticeable. Andersson was pretty invisible against the Devils.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:45 am EST

Cm he didn't say that he said this lol .. this guy is predictable and a cliche.. then people try to claim he didn't say that or didn't mean that etc etc .... ..Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 33m Reversal: AV says JT Miller will start season on wing, not C because of the play of other centers

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:42 am EST

If AV is tipping his hand on MILLER, he's also tipping it on CHYTIL and/or NIEVES. Miller starting the season at wing means Chytil is getting at least a nine-game audition, IMO. And it only makes sense that they'd keep Nieves around too.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:39 am EST

Avalanche have cut Rocco GRIMALDI, who is now on waivers. This kid oozes talent. Don't think there's any chance of the Rangers claiming him, but he'd be a great pickup. It's really quite peculiar that he hasn't found a place in the NHL.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:35 am EST

Shocking news! #NYR head coach Alain Vigneault said J.T. Miller will start the season at wing

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:18 am EST

Farnham looks like a typical borderline talent. Occasionally useful. I’d like to see him more closely on the PK because that’s the only way he gets in the lineup.

E


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:16 am EST

RF: I think Graves is going to ride out and then be sent down. He looks close to me and I think it’s likely that he’ll get his shot as things move on. He does a lot of good things well. I’m just not sure what his upside is.

E


Mon Sep 25 2017 11:14 am EST

Stevie: serial killers are my thing. I love abnormal psych. I find them interesting. The Pens don’t fall under that. They’re just a-holes. And their penchant for hypocrisy, perpetual whining, arrogance, and sense of moral superiority is nauseating.

E


Mon Sep 25 2017 9:44 am EST

KHL watch: Nicklas JENSEN is doing what I suspected he'd do with Jokerit: Leading the team. Six goals and four assists through the first 10 games. Leading in points and goals, with the kid Nashville drafted last summer trailing close behind. It's a shame Jensen didn't stick around to try to win a spot. Still think this kid is a hell of a player and I bet he would have made the team pretty easily...and then there's SHESTYORKIN, the new crown prince, who is absolutely shutting down the KHL. See these stats: He has posted a 40-4-1 record with a 1.60 GAA, a .939 SV%, and 10 shutouts in his last 48 KHL appearances. Granted, he's on a team that is pretty stacked...but those stats say a lot about what we have with life after Hank.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 9:23 am EST

Rf I'm sure sather has blame reasons for why he hasn't won a cup here. I'm pretty sure he thinks it's not his fault. He is a genius , just ask him. He'll verify. Jimmy boy believes him .

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 9:00 am EST

RF4L: Much better!!!

Vic


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:57 am EST

Ooops...sorry I asked. Was simply curious. How's this for retribution: Sather SUCKS!!!

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:48 am EST

Vic- I second that post. Anyone who posts political opinions on here (or any sports related site) is a complete knob. Just piss off and take the baggage with you. Most of us come here to escape this bs!

_Arc


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:13 am EST

Vic bring back the off wall...my home away from home .....where I'm usually right...lol....

stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 8:11 am EST

tdchi if the brain rust thinks they are really that close to being nhl ready, then they need them where they can call them up. Especially if they can excel in Hartford, if they can't, that proves they are not ready.

stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:56 am EST

Back to hockey. First off this is all just my opinion so it means absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things. Prior to the start of the TCT I had no experience with almost all of the guys fighting for those last few spots with the exception of PUEMPLE, BOO, FARNHAM and DESJARDINS. I'd seen all of those guys before. So through the TCT the forward that impressed me the most was FONTAINE. LETTIERI was on the list of guys who I thought played well but FONTAINE was the guy who I thought looked best overall. I didn't think anyone at the TCT was going to compete for a roster spot (including ANDERSSON). Fast forward to camp and preseason. Leaving out of the discussion the 10 veterans who are locks for the opening night roster (including DEHARNAIS, and not counting FAST) here is what I've seen of the rest of the guys fighting for those last spots. The guy that has been the most impressive with the puck has been CHEETOS. He possesses that elite skill set that the Rangers need more of. He has great hands and great vision on the ice. The guy who comes in second in that category is LETTIERI. In the preseason games he has been extremely good with the puck. He moves the puck quickly and accurately. He seems to possess a high hockey IQ and is not afraid to take the shot when he has it. Looking at how guys have played away from the puck in my opinion LETTIERI has been the best by a good margin. He is strong on the forecheck, crashes the net, backchecks hard and is a disruptive player when he is out there. The guy who I think has been second best in that category is FARNHAM. Again, this is all just my opinion and what I've seen in the preseason games so far. I don't get to see what is going on in practice. I don't know what the coaches are thinking and what options GORTON has on these guys in terms of who can go down and who can't. Tonight will be another game for all of these guys to make an impression and show why they deserve to be on the roster. It should be interesting to watch.

Vic


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:47 am EST

If Vinnie Boo makes the squad, the 2 first rounds won't and I'm fine with that. When does Graves get farmed out?

rf4l


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:41 am EST

Please take any and all political talk elsewhere. We can banter back and forth about hockey and get heated in here sometimes. But nothing will blow this place up and destroy it faster then politics. However correct you think your political opinions are I can guarantee you that there are people here who are diametrically opposed to your thinking who believe that they are right and that you must be either a moron, a lemming or someone with evil intentions. You aren't going to change anyone's mind or opinion with respect to politics. Hell, you should already know that you can't do that with respect to hockey opinions. So let it go. Let this be the place where people can come to talk hockey and all things Rangers related without having to worry about politics and the holy wars that come with political "debate".

Vic


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:09 am EST

Very interesting that LETTEIRI is getting a protracted audition. Still think NIEVES takes that spot...but that portends well for the Rangers...another college signing that could pay off.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 7:07 am EST

stevielegs - the issue with sending CHYTIL and ANDERSSON to the AHL is you spend a year of their entry level. They go to juniors or Europe and that year slides. I guess it doesn't make a huge difference. Three years from now, who knows where the Rangers will be cap wise? Who knows what those players will be demanding in terms of salary? In some respects, the AHL makes sense...you get these guys in a situation where they're being coached by Rangers' staff and playing with guys who will one day be teammates...but teams typically take option B, which is get them in any league that allows that contract to slide. In Chytil's case, his Czech team has already publicly said he will return to them if he doesn't make the team. And frankly, I think both will return to Europe if that's the case...but I don't think it will be...and I think the Rangers' intention at this point is to keep both. Could be wrong, but I can't see why else these guys would be sticking around as long as they have if they're just going to send them home. Think they'll get nine games to start.

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 6:51 am EST

RF4L - I'm sure you'll be shocked by this, but I totally think what the Pens are doing is keeping in character with the classless nature of that rotten organization. I know...tradition...and you shouldn't let politics bleed into tradition, right? Well it's not politics. It's about a megalomaniac who has dipped his toe in the waters of everybody else's business but his own. The fact that a sitting US president...one put there in part due to his business acumen...thinks it proper to interfere dramatically with private business...and through the medium of Twitter of all things...is just mind-blowing. At the very least, the Pens shouldn't have put out a statement and just quietly attended. What they should do is show solidarity with the NFL and the NBA, both of which were derided openly by the president of the United States. In Curry's case, he rejected an appearance at the White House...something that has happened before(see: Teabag Tim Thomas)...and was then PUBLICLY "uninvited"(on Twitter no less)by a guy who clearly has thin skin...Man, had you told me five years ago that I'd be writing those words, I'd probably think I was writing fiction...

tdchi


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:33 am EST

Irving in the NHL they brand you ..." let's see if DEANGELO shakes his "doozy bots syndrome" I'm suspecting he has...".... what's so botz about him ? .... you're a little stunod ? Donuts spelled backwards...emphasis on nuts ....maybe the nyr can get avery to coach him....and help him write a book....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:26 am EST

“I look to shoot from anywhere, even areas of the ice where goalies might not be expecting shots.”.... there goes his chance... can only shoot with good looks on the nyr....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:21 am EST

Vinny boombotz ....http://nypost.com/2017/09/25/how-rangers-unknown-has-fought-way-to-roster-contention/

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 5:17 am EST

E you the unibrowE ? Did you watch the 8 part series on the unibomber?

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 25 2017 12:05 am EST

My feeling? Who cares? I like to keep my politics and sports as far apart as possible. I realize that isn’t always possible. If you don’t want to go to the WH for some personal reasons that’s fine by me. Living in times of such insanity if everyone turned down their outrage dials it’d make things a little easier. If I can’t enjoy my sports free of the incessant drumming of mind numbing politics I’ll just head out into the redwoods to a cabin and write my manifesto.

E


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:30 pm EST

RF: No, they should not. They should respect an invitation by accepting the invitation regardless of who currently holds the office......

mf


Sun Sep 24 2017 9:21 pm EST

This borders the line of off-topic but shouldn't the Penguins turn down the white house visit invitation?

rf4l


Sun Sep 24 2017 7:18 pm EST

MF... Not pairings. I'm sure Staal wont play with Shattenkirk much. I'm pretty sure MCD and Kirk play most of their time together. I would like to see Smith/DeAngelo and Staal/Kampfer for the other pairs.... Stevie... I do like the physicality that Andrew Desjardins brings to his game, but he has to stay away from the stupid penalties he seems prone to take. Puempel has also impressed me a bit this season(I originally dismissed his making the team) . He seems to be past the concussions and looking to get physical as well as mixing it up every now and them(ie. fighting). Nieves is the more talented player of the three. I only see maybe two of the three making the team and both Nieves and Puempel can skate and have offensive skill sets. Boo has also been the only real noticeable player of the three. That second player goes down when Fast comes back. I think Desjardins is on the outside looking in, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 4:49 pm EST

Rhet: are these the defensive pairings OR, just the guys penciled in for the game? I ask because there are 3 RHS & 3 LHS ((DEFENSE: Staal, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Smith, Kampfer, DeAngelo.)) ....... I'd like to see SMITH play the LHS a bit, and let's see if DEANGELO shakes his "doozy bots syndrome" I'm suspecting he has....

mf


Sun Sep 24 2017 4:32 pm EST

LOBO: Does BOO make the next cut? ;-)

mf


Sun Sep 24 2017 3:57 pm EST

Rhet I'd keep desjarden on the roster. The guy has experience and a ring . The nyr are bordering on age discrimination.

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 3:41 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ....... Preseason Game 5 for NYR: About seven forwards vying for spots sked to play vs. Flyers. Desjardins (hearing) not on projected roster.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 3:32 pm EST

Those kids are who they're trying to decide on. I still say anyone of them who doesn't have to clear waivers, send them down. There shouldn't be a panic on broadway.

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 3:29 pm EST

Rhet I think hanky will play the whole game

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 3:05 pm EST

Tdchi churtle shouldn't go back home, they should put him in Hartford if that's an option. Let's see him light it up there and then call him up. The nyr are not that desperate. Don't need another eclair rush job. He didn't play last night because of his groin. They not in the playoffs right now

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 2:44 pm EST

BOO Nieves........strong point = PK ?....something stood out the other game. Just how many times he crossed over the top of the box ( following the puck ) and confusing his partner. It happened several times. Very correctable but PK is one of his strong points ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Sep 24 2017 2:19 pm EST

Per New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers .... Projected #NYR fwds tomorrow vs PHI: Puempel, Kreider, Nieve,, Carey, Zuccarello, Andersson, Fontaine, Nash, Chytil, Buchnevich, Zibanejad, Lettieri.... Projected #NYR Goalies & D-men tomorrow vs PHI: ....GOALTENDERS..... Lundqvist, Halverson ....DEFENSE: Staal, Shattenkirk, McDonagh, Smith, Kampfer, DeAngelo.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 2:12 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I'm pretty sure I'm in the minority here, but I really like NIEVES' game. I don't have any illusions that he's going to be a top-line player...but I think he's exactly the type of guy this team needs: Fast, big, not afraid of the physical game. He's a perfect fit for the bottom line, especially if you're of the mind that both ANDERSSON and CHYTIL should be eased along. If that's the case, I'd bump DESHARNAIS to third between MILLER and VESEY or BUCHNEVICH and then let Nieves match up with GRABNER and PUEMPEL...Here's the craziest thing: Much to my surprise, the Rangers actually have a lot of options. I can see at this point why they're not too concerned about finding a center.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 2:05 pm EST

schneidw - while I concede ZIBANEJAD had a pretty piss-poor game last night, I gotta cut the dude some slack. First game back. Protracted illness. I would wait for a few weeks before jumping on the 'this is why Ottawa traded him' line. The Z trade was a coup for the Rangers even if what we get is a streaky player. He's a much better center than BRASSARD is. A much more complete player.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 2:02 pm EST

stevielegs - totally disagree, re: CHYTIL. TBH, he's probably been the best player outside of maybe KREIDER and VESEY so far. Every time he's on the ice, he's making things happen. I admit he's young and I do have concerns about an 18-year-old hanging with men...but then again, the Rangers are a very young team...But where we agree is ANDERSSON. I've tried, but I simply can't see anything that suggests he's ready for the NHL. The absolute best I can say about him is that he holds his own and doesn't look overmatched. But he has almost no offensive ability at this level...and he didn't show much in TCT either...I think depending on where the Rangers see him, the best bet for him is to send him to Hartford, where he can learn the Rangers' system better and skate with guys who will one day be his teammates in New York. It burns a year of his ELC, but I'd rather him be on this side of the Atlantic...Chytil...I just can't see why we would send him back to the Czech league...inferior league for a player who has already shown very good poise in the NHL. I think he can help this team now.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 1:23 pm EST

"Desjardins is known for his work ethic and it has served him well, because getting noticed by an NHL team proved difficult. Selected in the 15th round by Sault Ste. Marie in the 2002 Ontario Hockey League Priority Selection Draft, Desjardins was a long shot to play major junior hockey, let alone forge an NHL career. Bringing energy, physicality, determination and defensive responsibility to the ice, Desjardins played four seasons with Sault Ste. Marie, never scoring more than 17 goals in an OHL season. Passed over in the NHL Draft, Desjardins signed with Laredo of the Central Hockey League and had a solid 2007-08 season (22 goals, 59 points, plus-21 in 64 games). That earned him a look the following season with Phoenix of the East Coast Hockey League, but after five games there he jumped up to Worcester, the San Jose Sharks' American Hockey League affiliate. Desjardins scored eight goals and 22 points in 74 games for Worcester and had four goals in 12 Calder Cup Playoff games that spring. The Sharks invited him to training camp in 2009, but he spent 2009-10 with Worcester, where he had 19 goals and 46 points in 80 games. The Sharks signed him as a free agent June 26, 2010. Desjardins remained with Worcester to start 2010-11 and made his NHL debut Jan. 3, 2011, for San Jose against the Vancouver Canucks. He scored his first NHL goal March 23, 2011, against the Calgary Flames. Playing 17 games for San Jose that season, he proved to be a solid checking presence and provided a spark for the Sharks penalty kill. Desjardins made his Stanley Cup Playoff debut May 20, 2011, in Game 3 of the Western Conference Final against Vancouver, scoring his first playoff goal two nights later in Game 4. The gritty forward led the Sharks in penalty minutes in 2012-13 (61) and 2013-14 (86). On March 2, 2015, San Jose traded him to the Chicago Blackhawks for Ben Smith. Desjardins had a goal and three assists in 21 playoff games that season as Chicago won the Stanley Cup."

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 12:30 pm EST

stevie: Yes and we've seen this stupidity before. Not once has it been successful for this organization. Let's hope saner thinking prevails and both are farmed out in the next 10 days (or less).

rf4l


Sun Sep 24 2017 12:25 pm EST

Sorry the 2 babies will be in the NHL eventually but to keep them up now is purely pr and bs by fishboy and veenyo. Give those spots to guys who can really handle the NHL now instead of trying to whitewash The stepan rannta trade. Stepan had to go but trying these kids is not very bright. Churtle still has a groin issue. Keep rushing them. Like Anderson really belongs on the purely pathetic pp.... dickaletti must be writing some opening night script to get sam nosen to do his bobble head routine. They're the roast beef brothers , hump and rump.

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 12:22 pm EST

TD: My take on Day-R-Nay is that in Montreal he was cast as a top 6 forward and at times as the team's number 1 centre. He was over-matched. To his credit, he did reasonably well for 2 seasons but reality caught up, especially considering management failed miserably at getting him help. IMO,centering the 3rd line is more his forte. The only drawback is his size, as we all know. How limiting will his size be in terms of being an effective 2 way centerman?

rf4l


Sun Sep 24 2017 12:10 pm EST

Boo Nieves has played twice in the preseason for the Rangers so far: ....NYI: 1 assist, 13:37 per game, 1 shot attempt blocked, 2 faceoff wins, 5 faceoff losses (10:07 at even strength, 3:30 on PK) ....NJ: 15:25, 1 shot, 1 shot blocked, 3 shots that missed the net, 1 hit, 2 takeaways, 3 and 10 on faceoffs (10:18 at even strength, 11 seconds on PP and 4:56 on PK) Alain Vigneault said that Nieves is in the mix for a spot and that he is "big, strong" and a good skater. ....He said that the team is looking to fill a role with someone who, in addition to other traits, can kill penalties. ....Nieves said that being sent back to Hartford wouldn't be the "end of the world" and that while it would be "tough" it would motivate him to work even harder. (NY Post) ....Dave Maloney has mentioned during the preseason that Nieves dealt with a concussion at some point last season.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 11:56 am EST

Z-BAD: Looks like he is slowly recovering from the WOOKIE FLU... party club sickness driven by late nights and whatever else goes on at these Swedish electronica music scenes... lets hope he got the DJ party dude out of his system and gets focused on performing as a #1 center... he has shown flashes of super skilled player.. .but not always and remember there is a reason Ottawa traded him for an older more expensive player and its not only playoff performance

schneidw


Sun Sep 24 2017 11:54 am EST

Per Renaud Lavoie.... Cole Schneider and Dan Catenacci are on Waivers. I'm going to take a wild guess and say they were cut. #Going out on a limb

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:49 am EST

Rhet/Vic - I can't overstate this: I REALLY like the DESHARNAIS signing. I was pretty ambivalent to it when he first signed, but this is a guy who had a 58-point and 60-point season in the NHL...I'm not sure what happened in Montreal or why he fell out of favor so fast...I assumed it was because he got older and slowed down considerably...but that doesn't seem to be the case at all...He's got very good vision on the ice and is quick as hell...He might not put up goals like he used to, but he's got very soft hands and moves the puck extremely well. Outside of CHYTIL, he is the guy who has most impressed me in camp.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:44 am EST

Re: The cuts. The only surprise for me is that GEORGIEV went down over HALVERSIEVE, who has looked better, but...well...he's still not looking like an NHL goalie...Regarding the what is left: I think NIEVES has earned himself an extended audition...CRAWLEY, though he looked good last night, I can't see the purpose of keeping him around...Think PIONK has out-played DeANGELO too, but I suspect the latter sticks around...I don't know what the scene is with HOLDEN, but if the Rangers aren't trading him now, they're totally foolish. His value is at a peak. It's only going to diminish from here...I'm pretty sure they could get a solid NHL prospect for him. It makes ZERO since to keep him...even as a seventh defender. GRAVES is ready to make the jump and with Pionk looking ready too, I can't see where Holden fits in...My gut tells me the Rangers are going to keep both ANDERSSON and CHYTIL around...the latter has earned a spot on this team, no doubt...but Andersson? He was kind of non-descript last night...plays a solid game, but I can't think of anyone in the top twelve who he's outplayed...I would send him to Hartford and track his progress...LETTEIRI...good showing in camp...but the only way I see him making the squad is if the Rangers opt to send both kids home...My take on the opening-night roster: KREIDER-ZIBANEJAD-NASH, ZUCC-HAYES-VESEY, BUCHNEVICH-CHYTIL-MILLER, GRABNER-DESHARNAIS-PUEMPEL/FARNHAM...I think Farnham makes the team as a replacement bench warmer for GLASS...and then PUEMPEL comes out when FAST returns...then on D, McD-SHATTY, SKJEI-SMITH, STAAL-DeANGELO with HOLDEN or GRAVES as the seventh/eighth defender.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:30 am EST

TD.... Totally agree with you on Wood. He's already had 1 concussion where he also lost some teeth. If he doesn't learn the lesson soon, his career will be shortened by a barrage of concussions .....VIC.... From what I've read, the NYR are very high on Desharnais. They think they signed him at the right time and he may well be a comeback player of the year candidate this year. Let's hope they're right.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:24 am EST

Stevie... The suspension will be there waiting for Andrew Desjardins; it stays on the books until he comes back up to the NHL. If Miles Wood is shown to be unharmed, my guess is that the penalty is lessened (1 game?). Also. maybe the NYR make him one of their last cuts so he can serve the suspension before he goes down.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 24 2017 10:14 am EST

The officiating in that game was an embarrassment and that's why this BS with the slashing and the faceoff calls is ridiculous...first, the DESJARDINS hit. Questionable? Maybe. But Miles WOOD basically skated into it. The kid is a moron for skating with his head down. Had he glanced up even a little bit, would have been a legal hit...and then to give MOORE, who skated all the way across the ice to INSTIGATE a fight a minor for fighting?!? Utterly ridiculous. And then the SMITH hit, which was a good, solid CLEAN hit...yet he gets penalized? The officiating is just a pure joke in this league. The refs quite literally tossed that game to the Devils. And I know it's just preseason...but this is an ominous harbinger for what is to come.

tdchi


Sun Sep 24 2017 9:24 am EST

My forward lineup assumes that DEHARNAIS is a definite. And, if it were up to me I would send ANDERSSON down today. That would basically leave CHYTIL, LETTIERI and PUEMPEL for those final 3 spots with one of them sitting out on opening night (PUEMPEL). When FAST gets back a decision on CHYTIL will need to be made.

Vic


Sun Sep 24 2017 9:20 am EST

If I am reading the tea leaves right that should leave the following guys fighting for possible open spots: Forward (probably 3 spots open on opening night including a Black Ace) ANDERSSON, CHYTIL, LETTIERI, and PUEMPEL. On D if the Rangers keep 7 to start the season and both HOLDEN and STAAL are still with the team that would leave PIONK, DeANGELO and KAMPFER competing for that last spot. Now, if the Rangers decide that HOLDEN or STAAL is going to be the 7th D then I see this as a competition between PIONK and DeANGELO for that 6th spot (right side D on the 3rd pair). If they plan to dress STAAL and HOLDEN (playing right side D on the 3rd pair) then I think KAMPFER stays as the 7th and the other two go down.

Vic


Sun Sep 24 2017 9:11 am EST

So how do you suspend a guy who probably won't be on the roster? Have to make someone else serve it for him ? ..and why does msg insist on forcing nyr fans to hear Debbie homers call the game along with Dave Maloney? ..... Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 1h ICYMI, NHL Department of Player Safety set Mon hearing for NYRs' Andrew Desjardins, assessed match penalty for high hit on NJs Miles Wood

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 9:10 am EST

Cuts I am expecting today: Forwards CATENACCI, DESJARDINS, FONTAINE, KOSMACHUK, BOO, SCHNEIDER, CAREY and possibly FARNHAM. Defense: CRAWLEY and GRAVES. GOALTENDER: HALVERSON.

Vic


Sun Sep 24 2017 8:59 am EST

I know there has been stuff to the contrary written in the papers but my opinion is that BOO has played himself onto Hartford's roster in the games he has gotten into. And that is where he belongs. He is big and can skate. That is about all I can say about him. He doesn't have the hands or hockey IQ that I was hoping he would have. He struggles to do anything with the puck (pass or get off a decent shot) and he isn't really great without the puck either.

Vic


Sun Sep 24 2017 8:59 am EST

Time for fishboy to insist on some cuts. There is no need to carry 38 guys unless 15 are tied for making the roster. They should be down to 28-30 today . What good is preseason if you're roster never gets 2 preseason games in together? That makes the first 10 games an extension of preseason, and the next 10 your real roster. The 40 points available count like the last 40 at the end of the season. Mr checkmark this is when you're real pp should be playing . Make decisions instead of jerking guys around you know are not making the roster.

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 8:56 am EST

R47: The Rangers dressed 5 forwards that will be on the Opening Night Roster (maybe 6 if you count ANDERSSON but he should be in Hartford). ZBAD has been recovering from an illness and was playing in his first game. He looked like SKJEI did last preseason when he was in the same position. I saw very little from KREIDER, MZA and NASH. GRABNER is playing this preseason like he did last preseason, which is to say he is mostly mailing it in and just trying to stay healthy for the start of the year. On D McDONAGH has been doing the same all preseason. STAAL and HOLDEN shouldn't be on the roster but both probably will be. CRAWLEY got his first game last night and looked pretty good. This kid was very good at the TCT and is opening eyes for next year or the year after. But overall that lineup last night was by far the worst the Rangers have dressed in the preseason. There was maybe one creative forward who was ready to play (MZA). I wouldn't read anything into it.

Vic


Sun Sep 24 2017 8:09 am EST

With the bulk of our starters in the lineup last night we should never have lost. I saw images of Zbad on the bench but never noticed him in the game. Aside from a nice pass I noticed, Zucc was pretty invisible and Kreider - though visible at times - also played a less-than-stellar game IMHO. And, WTH is going on with our supposedly improved PP? Hopefully we'll see them start to click after the next round of cuts...

Ranger47


Sun Sep 24 2017 7:46 am EST

My interpretation... my name is assvipe I'm a behind. I didn't coach too good in the playoffs. I make the same mistakes year in and year out. I'm only interested in getting a checkmark so they won't fire me . And I refuse to take responsibility. It's the players fault. If we win it all I will prove I'm a genius, which I am either way. The gm needs me to do his job. I should be gm and coach. Veenyo is my name and cya is my game.... I lead from and like a behind.... hence my real name is assvipe....

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 4:24 am EST

“Last year is behind us,” Vigneault said. “Didn’t play as well as we probably should have. This is a new year. We’re going to work towards our first goal, which is to get in [the playoffs]. Then we’re going to challenge for that Cup.”...“Every year has been different, the teams have been different, the makeup has been different,” Vigneault said. “Our style of play has changed with the personnel that we have. This year we feel that our backend is going to be able to be more mobile, be more active with the puck. So every year has been a little bit different.”

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 4:20 am EST

One of the unexpected players to make it through Saturday afternoon’s cuts was winger Vinni Lettieri, who scored a goal and played a terrific game Friday night against the Islanders in Bridgeport. “I’ve liked the skill set as far as skating ability, quickness of the shot, has been able to play more than one position,” Vigneault said of the undrafted 22-year-old Minnesotan who played nine games with AHL Hartford last season. “He’s been very effective. He’s one of those guys that is making us look twice.”

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 24 2017 4:19 am EST

“It’d be safe to say he’s in that mix,” coach Alain Vigneault said before Nieves played another solid preseason game in the Rangers’ 2-1 loss to the Devils on Saturday night at Prudential Center. “Big, strong, good skater, plays in the middle. So he is definitely in that mix of guys right now that we’re looking at.”

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 10:42 pm EST

Pre-season trends for the Rangers: Not much offensive.

rf4l


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:24 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/23/nhls-decision-to-skip-olympics-leads-to-tv-embarrassment/

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 8:00 pm EST

Nice goal by Brandon Crawley.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:49 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 11m Shots are 24-13 Devs, BTW 2 1 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 11m After 40 long minutes, still Devils 1, NYR 0 here in Newark

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:44 pm EST

“I’ve never walked out of a meeting with my head coach, but if I didn’t leave the room I was going to end up in Rikers for choking this little shithead within an inch of his miserable life. If he really believed that Henrik was playing poorly because of Tiny’s, then he knew nothing about his star player. Lundqvist was not working at Tiny’s, he was investing in it. Players have slumps. Anyone who knows how to coach professional athletes would know how to deal with that.” “I told [Rangers GM] Glen Sather about it, but he had nothing to say, really. He kept a poker face and wasn’t going to play his hand, but all he had to do was watch a game – he didn’t have to live through playing for a coach who responded to something he didn’t like on the ice by kicking water bottles or throwing shit on the bench or tugging on a player’s jersey and screaming at him and ripping him a new asshole.”

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:41 pm EST

On respect for John Tortorella: “Tortorella has a reputation as a hard-ass, but not if you know him as a player. We used to laugh at him all the time. There was always someone in the dressing room who wanted to take their skate and decapitate him or take their stick and whack him over the head with it. Marion Gaborik despised him with every bone in his body. Even Hank Lundqvist, an even-keeled Swede who was usually in his own world, thought Tortorella was a terrible manager of pro athletes. And he can’t skate and stickhandle a puck at the same time, and he doesn’t realize we don’t take him seriously because of that.”....https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/sean-avery-savages-john-tortorella-new-book-164531904.html

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:26 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 13s Rangers now 0-4 on the power play....

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:42 pm EST

Pretty dull period.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:41 pm EST

I think brad Richards recommended him . If he was an assvipe boy different story ala glass and quickie...

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:24 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... Desjardins sent out on match penalty call. Illegal check to head. John Moore, who charged Desjardins and dumped him in the net:Two minutes

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:23 pm EST

So long Desjardins. Nice knowing y’all.

Bob


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:23 pm EST

Well dejardin match penalty, assvipe just probably made his decision on him . To me he deserves a gold star and should make the team just for that.

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:23 pm EST

Chris Kreider-Mika Zibanejad-Mats Zuccarello Michael Grabner-Lias Andersson-Rick Nash Daniel Catenacci-Boo Nieves-Scott Kosmachuk Cole Schneider-Andrew Desjardins-Gabriel Fontaine Ryan McDonagh-Kevin Shattenkirk Marc Staal-Brendan Smith Brandon Crawley-Nick Holden

ColoradoMark


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:20 pm EST

Nyr in pp looked like debbies were on the pp... purely pathetic

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 5:31 pm EST

Wild: I've followed your input on Ducheman from the beginning and I believe Cmark confirmed your POV along the way..... I doubt any incomming player comes into the NYR locker-room and gets away with a bad Attitude... The AV's lockerroom is Jr. HS compared to the Rangers... I have to believe that Gorton is kept up on Duchene's asking price..... As for our inventory of "chipped up pucks" as in lower level players, some of them should be converted into draft picks, we don't need them all, there's only 1 puck & 60 minutes, we should trade when we have the inside scoop on some of these kids values.....

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 4:38 pm EST

rf4l: I can tell you that the team and the staff on the team are losing faith in Sakic....a lot of the people in the org fell on the side of Roy in that battle between them. I can say that I get this from someone inside the org, and things are not looking good there. Apparently the ownership is paying closer attention. It seems that Sakic is trying to make up for all the mistakes by getting crazy value in this trade, if he can get the kind of return he wants he will be bulletproof at least for a little while.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 23 2017 4:22 pm EST

Wild. Re the package Sakic wants. You're right. You're also right that it's nuts and why nothing has happened. Be funny if Duc tears up a knee in his next preseason game (not for Duc of course).

Rf4l


Sat Sep 23 2017 4:22 pm EST

Ranger47, -- My bad, misunderstood, I see what you're saying. I haven't seen enough of the forwards battling for those last spots. Looks like there's some good depth, variety and competition this year.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 23 2017 4:05 pm EST

mf: Also, Sakic is nuts....he wants the equivalent of Skjei, Buch, Graves and a 1st....thats why "Duchy" is still an AV and publicly GMs are saying the price is way to high.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 23 2017 4:03 pm EST

td: I wonder if LETTIERI is just one of those players that doesn't make a line or himself but is made by the players around him. What I mean is that since he has had minutes with top 6 and top 9 players his skills are showing more, if he gets put back with AHL types or kids still in junior he will look like he did prior. Not a bad thing as long as he can keep doing it when given the chance

Wildcard


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:59 pm EST

mf: If the AVS want a bag of pucks that have chunks missing and want to pick up 50% then THEN I would be ok with the Rangers THINKING about MAYBE brining in that child and risking the negative effect he will have on the locker room and on the ice.

Wildcard


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:35 pm EST

VIC: I'll share the driving, " Vinnnneeey"

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:33 pm EST

So the AV’s want young Defensemen in return for Duchene? Well if Evander Kane can clean up his act, so can The Ducheman, I’d kick the tires there starting by offering up Bereglazov & Deangelo.... Yeah I said Deangelo...... We would still need to shed $2.1mill in salary from somewhere

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:30 pm EST

Do we have a published lineup for tonight?

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:20 pm EST

R47: VINNY is your man. Hell, VINNY may play his way onto HAYES' line. Having HAGS was a big help to HAYES. VINNY could be as well.

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:14 pm EST

hip: Vesey is a top 9 forward (and will be on the left of Hayes, for sure). What's needed is a 4th line replacement for Fast until he returns. It will probably be Puempel but I'm wondering if there's someone else who is more in the mold of Fast (which could allow Fast to more easily be "plugged in" to help in the transition/chemistry of that line when he comes back). Someone who's a really good two-way defensive forward who could kill penalties, etc. Maybe Puempel is the best fit we have, but I'm wondering if there might be someone else who would be a better fit...

Ranger47


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:05 pm EST

MF... Also, Bereglazov doesn't have any say to where he's traded. Tough noogies to him.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 3:04 pm EST

Ranger47, -- How about Vesey? Vesey has some serious IQ on the ice, knows angles, positioning and 3 zone defense.

hipcheck


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:57 pm EST

Thanks MF! i would like to keep Bereglazov unless we get blown away on a deal. I would hate to see him traded for a rental. I don't think he's too far away. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:31 pm EST

Rhet: you were missed! .... So nothing too unexpected there, does raise a question on BEREGLAZOV'S next move; would he accept a trade to a team that may promise him some starting minutes? I sure hope so, like to keep the “Trade-away-tor loaded” .... tbc....

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:21 pm EST

24 forwards meaning at least 10 more will be cut.

Rf4l


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:20 pm EST

0 surprise in any of those cuts.

Rf4l


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:09 pm EST

I'm back! Not that anyone noticed I was gone... The Rangers have announced that the following players are being sent to Hartford..... Forwards: Ryan Gropp, Malte Stromwall, Adam Tambellini..... Defensemen: Alexei Bereglazov, John Gilmour, Vince Pedrie.... Goaltenders: Alexandar Georgiev, Chris Nell.... The Rangers have 38 players remaining in training camp.

Rhet0ric


Sat Sep 23 2017 2:04 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/pregame-notes-rangers-at-devils-92317/c-291288006

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:49 pm EST

Well it read like a "queue" when you included the "cue."

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:25 pm EST

And no one needs to hit the bong more then me. Although it’s been like 15-years and it might cause my lungs to explode. But at least it’s legal here so suck it all you trapped in fascism. (No that wasn’t a political fight cue...)

E


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:20 pm EST

Don't despair, maybe we can get The Banned Ditto to lead this season's continuing education "sensitivity training" class.. what say you, "Rabbit?" Ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:18 pm EST

Was just pondering....If they wanted a wing to fill in for Fast who was "most like him", who would that be?

Ranger47


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:15 pm EST

Jeeze Hospo. You do need the bong. Look, I know you have your Kampfer jersey all set for the season and all, but you're probably only going to get to wear it at Pack games ;)

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 12:14 pm EST

E - ahh...ok...you're in. I was just looking at the last login, which was from when I certified the league. It's all good.

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 11:52 am EST

TD I thought I joined. My app says I’m in. Can you let me know if that is not so?

E


Sat Sep 23 2017 11:50 am EST

Legs: haven't smoked the weed or gone near the nose candy since 84'.... but do Bong on with the show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME_rrjIODTE

mf


Sat Sep 23 2017 10:39 am EST

Hospo maybe you can be the next chuck barris and produce the bong show . Tv is dying for it. Don't bogart that bong my friend, pass it over to Irving moofman....

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 10:33 am EST

Any guy who doesn't have to be waived should be sent down. And then start making decisions. If one of them is that good they will shine in Hartford and be the first callups .

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 10:30 am EST

So which guys have to pass thru waivers to be sent down? I don't think the nyr want to gamble on any of these guys. Hartford should have a good team with nyr leftovers. I think churtle (thanks arc) is better than Anderson, but both really are too young and inexperienced to jump into the NHL . Churtle needs to learn and understand English, unless they want to have pavelec be his interpreter like kid k is with buch. So far the nyr have good problems with the center spots the biggest question marks. No problem with the d besides too many to choose from . Can you say trade fishboy?

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 10:04 am EST

TDCHI - Go Eff yourself with that bong hit comment..So I disagree with you,,BFD

Hospo


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:53 am EST

I do agree on LETTIERI. Saw him in Hartford last year and he didn't really stand out. Likewise in TCT. But someone must have lit a fire under his ass, because he's flying now. Getting solid minutes too...And I know I'll probably be in the minority here, but another guy who seems like he wants a roster spot is FARNHAM. He's sort of a douche...and does a lot of embellishing...but he got under the skin of the Isles all game...A lot faster and more skilled than GLASS was...he'd be my pick for a 14th forward.

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:48 am EST

Hospo - Man, pass the bong. KAMPFER? The best defenseman? Crazy talk. He hasn't played bad, but if there's one guy who stands out as the least talented in the group, it's him.

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:46 am EST

Vic - I too am impressed with VESEY. His play thus far is reminiscent of his performance in TCT last year, when he dominated. Very strong on the puck. Actually, all the Ranger regulars have looked VERY sharp. Pretty crazy to watch them jump on the ice and take control. Very promising.

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:45 am EST

_ARC - In the two games he played, KAMPFER has easily been the Rangers best D-man...Perfect for the 7th SPot and sitting for most nights.Has earned it by merit....I thought PIONK was really shakey defesnively last night..needs time in the AHL in my mind..It will show in the regular season, but we all know the re-season is more important,...Ditto with CHYTL..The talent is obvious..He's gonna be an offensive player in this league..Still it's pretty easy to look good when you are getting every 5-3 and 5-4 chance...Means nothing to me...I saw some poor defensive play at ES from the kid...Send him down at the end of camp (with ANDERSSON)...Make him more complete for the future..whuch may be as short as a few months

Hospo


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:42 am EST

_Arc - Agree on his skating. Reminds me a bit of ANISIMOV when he first came in the league. Just a bit awkward on his feet. But what strikes me the most about CHYTIL is his decision making. His hockey IQ is off the goddamn chart. He's making split-second decisions and 99 percent of them are right. As a result, he's threading passes. I'm just very impressed with the kid. And that's coming from someone who was throwing up the loudest WTF when he was drafted. Look, I don't think it'll be the end of the world if he's sent to the Czech league. I certainly won't complain about it. One more year there isn't going to hurt him. I worry a bit more about the CHL, because I don't think there's much he'll learn there other than bad habits. A player of his talent will walk all over that league. But even then, I don't think a year in North Bay is going to ruin him. I think we've got a very special player on our hands...Also agree that he needs ice time. The absolute WORST thing for him would be to get swapped in and out of the lineup and only skate 8-to-10 minutes a game...but that said, AV has made is real clear that he wants a four-line team...and if he's good enough to drop into the 3C position, he'll get 12-to-14 per night. I think that would be fine for his development, especially because the kid has never played 80-plus games of hockey in his life...I think the real bottom line comes with whether or not he's an asset for the team...if he doesn't make the team better, then he doesn't belong on the roster. But just watching him on the man advantage...man, oh man...I think he'd be one hell of an addition.

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 9:22 am EST

Was at the game last night. Thought the Miller-Chytil-Buch line was the one which stood out consistently throughout the night. Chytil clearly has a lot of talent and the puck seems to like him. Can easily see that trio being our third line behind K-Z-Zucc and Vesey-Hayes-Nash with Grabner-Des-Fast being our 4th line once Jesper is back. I personally think Vinnie would be better as our Black ace than Puempel. Thought Pionk looks ready for the NHL and better than D'Angelo - though I suspect they'll send him to the AHL for first line minutes at the start of the season. No one else really impressed me - though almost all the rest seemed near-NHL ready which is promising.

Ranger47


Sat Sep 23 2017 8:55 am EST

Hey E! Are you in on RFC Fantasy this year?!? If so, please jump on. Few changes this year. Live draft is at 1 p.m on Sunday, Oct. 1 and you're picking first overall...

tdchi


Sat Sep 23 2017 8:30 am EST

On D things are certainly interesting. PIONK had some great moments last night and some brain farts. GRAVES looked good and tough again. I thought BEREGLAZOV look good at times in his first game. He looks like he needs more time to adjust to the speed and size of the ice. Some time in Hartford will do him good. DeANGELO had some good moments as well. But once again KAMPFER stood out as the best D on the ice for the Rangers. I don't know if his game has matured to the point where he can be a solid NHL D every night or he is just playing well due to the competition. But he looks MUCH better then I've ever seen him before.

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 8:24 am EST

I thought VINNY had another great night. The goal was just icing on the cake. I want to amend my earlier comparison of him when I said he reminds me of MZA. He does remind me of MZA when he has the puck. He has really good hands and is a great passer. But without the puck he reminds me of HAGS. He is super quick and a relentless forechecker. He is crashing the zone forcing a turnover and then the next thing you know he is the first guy backchecking and breaking up a play. Very impressive. AV moved him up to play with HAYES and MILLER in the 3rd and he looked good with them as well. I have to think he makes the team. Can you imagine a 4th line with him and GRABNER on the wings around DEHARNAIS to start the season? For my money he has outplayed every other winger who is trying to make this team including PIMPLE, CAREY, etc. He has been better and more of a complete impact player then ANDERSSON as well.

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 8:13 am EST

As for the game I'll start with the big topic from yesterday. I thought CHEETOS played well again. I thought that line with MILLER and BUCH was good all night. BUCH came to play last night. He must have heard the whispering. He was very good. HAYES and VESEY both had some great moments and a few brain farts. I blame the first Islander PP goal on HAYES. He had the chance to get to a lose puck in the Rangers end and clear it but he saw two Rangers about to go for it so he broke toward the blue line thinking offense. Well, an Islander ended up getting there first and kept the puck alive. It never left the zone. HAYES could have been the first to the puck had he went for it. But he didn't see the other Islander and was thinking offense. On the PK he has to make sure of the clear before he thinks offense. He made some great plays with the puck all night though. And VESEY just looks like a much more mature player. He doesn't look like a kid trying to hang with men anymore. He looks like an NHL player who is dictating play.

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:59 am EST

Morning folks. I'll post about the game shortly. I just wanted to let everyone know that I have published everyone's picks in the pool for this season. Since there is a question about where ANDERSSON will start the season I wanted to publish everyone's picks so that you knew there were no shenanigans with the pool. If you see anything that looks wrong let me know. The picks can be seen at: (http://rfccjc.com/main/index.php/20172018-pool-questions/)

Vic


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:36 am EST

Arc: Agreed and don't forget, once the regular season starts, the men come to play. Then fast forward to late winter and the intensity, physical play and abuse is ratcheted up. Contrary to that idiot Sather's famous saying: Low risk - high risk. Farm both kids out.

rf4l


Sat Sep 23 2017 7:13 am EST

TD- I get what ur saying about evaluating these two kids to see if they belong in the NHL but I don't think that's all of it. I think you also have to look at their ceiling and figure out the best way of attaining that ceiling. It all well and good that Churtle (thanks Stevie) might be good enough to play 3c right now but having him play 3c in New York is certainly not the same prospective developmental path as 1C in junior or Czech league. He's much more likely to make the safe play here while he may 'work on' some other moves in junior---- and perfect them. As you're well aware I'm impressed by the kid and I think he could handle being here BUT I think we're better off with him working on his game in junior; delayed gratification..... for all the talk about his speed I personally think he could improve his skating a bit. I'm seriously not sure if I'm seeing things here but he just doesn't look very explosive to me. Especially considering he's gonna get bigger, I think if he were to add that explosion to his movement..... watch out. Thought?

_Arc


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:51 am EST

wiosa: I feel that way about the Flyers as well

jnyr


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:48 am EST

Hospo- Stop the Kampfer!!!! I can't take it. Please for the love of god stop. I saw nothing from him save for joe cirella redux. He is completely average nondescript take up space guy. I think if AV were to do the smart thing he would rotate the 7th D into a rotation where he gives each of the top 6 a night off here and there. I think it would do wonders for the long picture. I think Poink has made the team. I saw nothing in his defensive game that was so deficient that it warranted being sanctioned ( certainly no worse than friggin Kamfet)

_Arc


Sat Sep 23 2017 6:13 am EST

I hate losing to the Islanders....no matter what the game. If they have a damn pick up game outside somewhere, I want to beat the Islanders.

wiosa


Sat Sep 23 2017 5:29 am EST

Because of Fast’s injury, Vigneault also said there is a chance both of this year’s first-round picks, forwards Lias Andersson and Filip Chytil, could make the opening-night roster. “I would say there is a possibility they will both be here at the start,” Vigneault said. “Their play with decide that. Both of them have been playing well, but there are some other guys.”

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 5:27 am EST

“Expectations are higher on him this year,” coach Alain Vigneault said. “He understands the pressure and the accountability that comes with that. We expect a lot from him, there’s no doubt. The organization went out and gave that young man a five-year deal, so we’re showing him confidence, in return we expect performance and results from his end. So we’re very confident that with the right attitude, the right work ethic and dedication, that he can live up to our expectations — and hopefully his expectations, as well.”.... news flash assvipe the nyr did the same thing with you . Where's your accountability? Practice what you preach and show some leadership.

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 5:21 am EST

Assvipe doesn't even mention jt jitters as a center, that's a fact not an opinion.....http://nypost.com/2017/09/23/rangers-seeing-signs-they-nabbed-new-center-at-right-time/

Stevielegs


Sat Sep 23 2017 5:03 am EST

Good problem to have , too many d men. That gives fishboy some chum and bait to try and make a deal . Either they are going for it or just assvipe happy to get a checkmark. I like trying to get players who excel and cherish playoffs. Need to weed out the ones that are the wilting flowers come playoff time. Try for some 94 like controversial trades. Have to give to get , and have enough chips and numbers covered to win at hockey roulette. Being half pregnant for parts of over 20 years is unacceptable. That long term plan needs to become a short one. Go for it , not just say you're going for it. ....Gamble on....

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:43 pm EST

MF - Yes, BUCH was a much better 2-way player tonight...I'm glad you brought up HAYES...God, do I hate him! :)..So freaking talented..Some good things between him and VESEY...then HAYES does his typical Hayesean Bull shit..byt trying to be a one man gang and holding on to the puck to long several times.Somebody needs to smack him everytiem he does hit..Hear that Lindy???

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:16 pm EST

Graves looks like he's getting close, maybe another season with Hartford will do it. Maybe he gets called up on occasion this season and then sent back down, nothing wrong with that, just growing pains...... IMO PIONK looks much more ready than DEANGELO for the big club and he was pretty impressive in his interview between periods, the kid has poise and maturity… KAMPFER looks steady and I hope he sticks with the big club, maybe he can force his way onto the 3rd pair RHS with his play, that would mean Holden or Staal sits, nothing wrong with rationing some time on ice……….. Tonight’s leadership consisted of JTMiller, Hayes, Skjei…… Miller was impressive, Hayes took some one-timers where in the past he would pass (good boy Kevin) s….. The camera’s showed a couple of shots of Lindy Ruff & Ah-Kneel giving instruction and pep-talking the kids, good / nice to see…… BUCHNEVICH: looked like a different player tonight paired with Miller & Chytle… Time will tell how long the NYR keep Buch & Miller on the same line, but hopefully they find chemistry

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:48 pm EST

E - I microanalyze the guys.with a goal of putting Cup WINNER together...PIONK is a talented NHL..good offensive game..ready for the NHL..but also yhink he could use some fine tuning defensively (especially positioning)in the A..Like you I also like GRAVES..he's just about there..also some positining issues (again, I'm microanalyzing)..No doubt both will be ready this year, sooner or later....I'm not a fan of Dangelo....I think he wanders all over the ice..and the Russian B--I like his game but s he agile enough..All that being said, while not perfect, KAMPFER has been the best of all of them and should be the 7th D-man...The 6th is the question for me...it can only be Pionk or Graves if Holden is dealt....we'll see...

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:37 pm EST

HOSPO: Pionk did struggle as the game wore on. Definitely not nearly as good as the first game and the first period. I like that kid though. He's feisty, quick, sees the ice well and has a lot of compete in him.

E


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:05 pm EST

A review of the Avery book: https://sports.yahoo.com/sean-avery-savages-john-tortorella-new-book-164531904.html

punchrolfe


Fri Sep 22 2017 8:41 pm EST

Bereglazov reminds me of Mcilrath without the fighting! Like his style, but can he be quick enough?

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 8:16 pm EST

Rangers definetely have alot of players with skill that like to play and play well in open ice..Just like last year should mean good things for early in the season..seeing more out of Letteri tonight compared to other nights..CHYTL defintely has the skill but other things need work..Th Russian kid on D looks solid and straight ahead but maybe not agile enough..Graves has improved his mobility and he has the attitude and shot...

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 8:10 pm EST

Buchnevich looks a lot more comfortable tonight

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:59 pm EST

How Dickelleti has the job over a Rangers Lifer in Maloney is beyond absurd. I just don't think msg management belives he wil play ball with all their scripted PR spindoctored Bullshit.

NYStranger


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:55 pm EST

What a difference. No Joe Shmoe and, instead it is Dave with Sam. No stupid talk about good looking Isles prospects, no chat about something completely not related to the game. Simple broadcast that's all about Rangers, as it should be...

Andrei


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:48 pm EST

A 5-3 goal means little..Bad pass by Litteri saved by a good play by BUCH and nice pass by Chtyl and a good shot by The Vinster...Liking BUCH tonight...

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:46 pm EST

E - On Pionk? really? I missed the last 10 mins of the 1st..But Pionk looked shakey defensively in the 2nd

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:08 pm EST

He is small but Pionk got into three scrums for pucks on the wall and came away with all three. On the blueline he is making the case more then any other yute. I still am pulling for Graves as well though.

E


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:05 pm EST

Wow, a PP with 3 RHS on the ice: Stromwall, Lettieri, Pionk.....

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:24 pm EST

Wildcard: That's exactly the point --you don't take a kid from grad school and put him back in junior high. NTM, North Bay is the trash barge of the OHL. Team isn't strong at all. CHYTIL would be a superstar on a team of guys who probably won't go much further than juniors. It's far from an ideal place for him.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:19 pm EST

RF4L - The reason I don't want them to send CHYTIL to juniors is because I see what he does against guys in juniors. He's beyond that level at this point. And that's gauging by some of the stuff I was seeing him do against the U20 teams. No matter. He either makes the team or plays in the Czech league. That's been the word for weeks now.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:14 pm EST

Rf4l talkerella has that effect on most. Ask brooksie...

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:11 pm EST

Hospo dangelo will be on the roster, especially since he's a righty. . He would probably have to go thru waivers to send him down. And fishboy needs to show he made a great deal for the nyr. That's why they are pushing to 2 kids. It's a massive pr campaign. Especially from the 4 stooges on msg . They probably have scripts . Wonder if anyone has a count on how many times the say Anderson and churturtle. It's probably more than any other player including hanky.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:41 pm EST

Hospo: I think he would have issues playing, but I don't think his physical stature or anything will be a bigger deal now than later...he might get a bit better suited, but I think he is about where he will always be. Chytil on the other hand looks about 12....he need to grown into his body some more, and the best place to do that is where he wont have to also deal with trying to play at a higher level.

Wildcard


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:41 pm EST

No surprise - Day sent to Hartford along with Z and Leedahl.

Rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:37 pm EST

Avery has a book out and in it partially blames torterella for derek boogard's death.

Rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:30 pm EST

WILDCARD - I am, especially with D'angelo who doesn't seem like a heady player...Anyway, we'll see....

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:19 pm EST

Hospo: I am not too concerned with Anderson and DeAngelo when it comes to physically being ready...sure they are young and can still build that area, but its not like they have been playing against smaller kids, both have been in pro leagues....again, I am not talking about rushing them, but I think those two could handle the NHL, there would be mistakes and such of course, but they could handle it if need be. I just don't think there is a need....Anderson like I posted would be one I would give game 1 to, let the kid get a taste of regular season action against a lower tear team like the AVS, then send him to the AHL will that taste in his mouth wanting to get back...IMHO its a good motivator

Wildcard


Fri Sep 22 2017 5:08 pm EST

Hey all, there have been other situations where AV has said similar things (both in NY and VAN) about young players. I think that AV might want to build them up more for them than for "us" and in those situations he has not kept the players around...he spins it into some "I think it will be good for them to be in a top roll blah blah blah" and it seems that he does the right thing more than not. Anderson is the one that I could see finding a way to stick for some games, but I think that he has a chance of actually being able to handle the NHL....I am curious to see what he can do against better NHL level competition and at a regular season pace. But I think it would be better for him to start at the AHL level, maybe give him a game or 3 at the NHL level to start. I mean I don't want to say to take any team lightly, it is the NHL, any given night a team can beat any other team, but the first game of the season is against the AVS, it might be a good "get to know you" game for some younger guys...maybe give them the game then send them down...

Wildcard


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:49 pm EST

While kids can go straight from juniors/college/whatever to the NHL, it's still not common place...Look at the Rangers, I think there are only TWO players that didn't play in the AHL first---HAYES and VESEY..and by looking at how HAYES' game (not talent) has failed to develop, he probably could have used some teaching and leanring in the AHL..Probably right choice on VESEY though although he did sit alot....I personally don't believe there should be any reason for any of Andersson, Chityl or Pionk or D'angelo to START the season in New york but If they are THAT GOOD, better by a long shot than what the Rangers have, and if they can't improve their two-way game and, especially parts of their game that the Rangers really need help in the futures in the AHL or ExtraLiga then, by all means, play them in the NHL...It won't be pretty but it.takes the heat off of Gordo..I also worry about their physical strength and readiness and don't want to lose another prospect to injury

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:31 pm EST

TD - on the Rangers rushing teenagers: We can agree to disagree. And really, you feel Chytil shouldn't go to juniors because like 15 years ago Pavel Brendl allegedly came to camp over-weight due to a billeting family fattening him up? LOLOL. That's funny. And if you're serious, an utterly ridiculous argument. LOLOL.

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:24 pm EST

NHL shouldn't allow kids under 21 since that's the legal drinking age in the USA.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:19 pm EST

I think the crucial element to decide which, if either kid stays is how well the perform in camp. The Rangers have been evaluating ANDERSSON and CHYTIL since July(excluding, of course, all the obvious research they did in selecting the two). They've seen them for a week in July(rookie camp), a week in August(WJSS and the European equivalent), and in Andersson's case, three weeks in September(TCT and camp); two for Chytil...I wouldn't think there are many mysteries about them. Not unless someone in the organization...or rather the whole organization is asleep at the switch.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:15 pm EST

tlats - I think that's the right attitude though. This isn't the 1970s or 1980s. Kids drafted into the NHL aren't the Hanson brothers playing with remote control cars...Most of the kids drafted now have been away from home half their lives. And while they may not be emotionally complete, that's not what is going to sink them in the NHL. Players these days are micromanaged bigtime. You watch some of the HBO series and you see glimpses of it. I also think teams are a lot more cognizant of young players needing mentors. You read stories about it all the time. The other thing is that the Rangers have a very good rep for having a strong team unit. Part of the reason being, these guys have been together forever. That's another good thing for a young player to be around.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:09 pm EST

SHESTERKIN, GEORGIEV, WALL and HUSKA. Think it's safe to stop worrying about life after Hank.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:08 pm EST

RF4L - One other thing: Remember when BRENDL showed up to camp fat and out-of-shape? Couldn't finish drills, et cetera? I was reading an article about him a little while ago and apparently the culprit for that was his host family, who wanted to make him feel at home and made him greasy Czech food for a year. Wasn't until he came to camp that someone from the Rangers was like "WTF" and put him on a strict diet...so thanks but no thanks on sending CHYTIL to juniors...

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 4:03 pm EST

RF4L - re: CHYTIL/ANDERSSON - Again, I think you fall into the trap of applying a one-size-fits-all filter on your opinion here. You list a lot of players and only one I can say unequivocally who was ruined by how the Rangers handled him: BLACKBURN. And in that case, you're 100 percent correct. Blackie wasn't close to NHL-ready...and his mishandling pushed him to push himself too hard. He needed to mature and learn the game better in juniors, not backup Mike RICHTER, who was hanging on by a thread... And that was clear from the getgo. Blackburn could have been a stupendous NHL goalie...he had all the goods to be one...That travesty is on the Rangers. Completely. The others? Meh...MALHOTRA you can make a case about, but the truth is Muckler was right about him: He was a bottom line forward who was picked WAAAAY high in the draft. But that forward who was 'rushed' went on to play nearly a thousand games over 16 seasons in the NHL, which is a career any kid would envy. Would he have become a star if he was eased into the game? Maybe...but I strongly doubt it. Manny had lots of speed, but he played the game at a time when speed meant little. His hands, shot, and the rest of his game was pretty average...You like to bring up GRACHEV. And that's one I simply don't understand. Grach was the beneficiary of size and linemates in juniors. DUCHENE was his center and I believe Cody HODGSON was on the other wing. NTM, he was gigantic for juniors...weighed in at 220-plus pounds and could simply bull his way around the ice. The minute he arrived in the AHL, where he wasn't particularly large and didn't have skilled linemates, he floundered. I remember seeing him in Glens Falls and being impressed by his size, but little else. He wasn't particularly effective or physical...and that's why he was picked in the third round. A lot of fans looked at his highlight reel and his stats and by assumed he dropped in the draft because of the lack of a KHL transfer agreement. Truth is, he fell because a lot of scouts saw him as a longshot...DEL ZOTTO is another. This is a kid who was drafted as a highly-skilled player, but with an attitude problem. We didn't hear too much about that attitude problem when he first showed up in New York. But truth be told, he was awful at playing D, took stupid penalties and had rocks for brains. I don't think another year in juniors and a couple in Hartford would have changed that...and I remember seeing him in training camp...specifically in an exhibition game in Boston: Let me tell you, he had NHL-level skill then. His first pass was just phenomenal. But he had no interest in improving other areas of his game. How do I know that? Well, look at the Preds. They walked away from him after trading a top four defenseman to get him three months earlier. But again, we speak as though MDZ's career was ruined. Well, as I type, he's getting ready to start his 10th season in the NHL...almost 500 games. That's not exactly damaged goods...And frankly, I can't think of anyone else the Rangers have 'rushed' this century to the detriment of that player's career. I suppose you could toss BRENDL and LUNDMARK into that hopper, but again...rushed? Both played three years of juniors...hardly could consider them rush jobs coming into the pros at 20 years old...Truth is, I think the Rangers are very good at evaluating talent and if anything, they might hold onto guys too long when they really should cut bait...I might have bought the 'rush' line --and did to a degree when both Chytil and Andersson were signed over the summer --before camp...but Chytil looks ready and Andersson looks better than most of his counterparts. And I don't think either is going to be jammed in the center just because. There are more than enough options for the Rangers RIGHT NOW...and those options will increase as teams start cutting players...they could easily go into the season with Z-HAYES-MILLER-DESHARNAIS and have a very damn good team...if either of the rooks makes the lineup, they've done it on skill alone and for beating out their competition...not because they're being rushed. Mostly, I think they've been very patient with the kids

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:07 pm EST

Fishboy is dumb enough to listen to assvipe. I have no doubt both will be here for at least the first 9. And there's little doubt about his feelings on jt jitters at center. He wants players that can play offense and defense. I like having a couple whose offense makes up for their defense. I just hope he wants out or is shown the door. Let fishboy make him one of his ass-instants.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:02 pm EST

Irving I'll pour as many as you want over your head . Don't wear that funny hat. ...

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:56 pm EST

Legs: you funny man, L'Shana Tova to all Wallsters, yeh, "I'm Preying" for a Stanley Cup. Meet you at the parade, 1st beer's on me, 2,3,, & 4 is on you!

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:47 pm EST

FWIW, I would not send Chytil back to the Czech league if he doesn't make the team. I want him to be playing on a smaller rink, learning English and getting acclimated to NA and being away from home. Otherwise, he starts next year having to experience all those things for the first time while simultaneously trying to break into the NHL.

Ranger47


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:27 pm EST

AV always says he never puts an age on talent so it wouldn't surprise me if both made the roster. I absolutely think both should be farmed out though

tlats


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:20 pm EST

RF4L - Well put..And agree 100% on the new shiny toy kids...AV might be an open book but GORDO is a little more hard to figure out..We'll see what's going on in about 10 days..or less..Until then, hope everybody performs well..It should be interesting tonight with all the youngsters on D

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:12 pm EST

stevie: Something else I've been adamant about: Igor Shesterkin is the real deal. By that I mean I'm convinced he's NHL material. What remains to be seen is just how good an NHL goalie he'll be. I realize he's playing for a powerhouse KHL team but those numbers are undeniably impressive and from what can been ascertained, they are getting better and better, probably; as he does as he matures and learns the game. Too bad we can't see him (a big reason why I'm hoping Chytil ends up in NB) but I'll bet he's becoming calmer in net as he matures. I recall seeing him in the WJC and posting on here about how good he looked. Fabulous instincts and sound positioning but like so many young goalies, arguably too much movement from thinking too much, over anticipating where the puck was going. I suspect he's getting better at that part of his game, hence the increasingly shrinking numbers. I believe he's got 1 more year after this on his current KHL contract - depending on the King's status and ability to be a number 1 goalie, we could see him in the 19/20 season.

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 2:05 pm EST

Or maybe AV is sending a message to his GM that he doesn't want Miller at center. Also, AV did say to the media he knows what he's getting from Miller at all 3 positions; what Chytil is capable of he's still exploring. I remain adamant in my position: Do NOT rush these kids. There's no need. Historically, this franchise has failed EVERY time they've forced a teenager into the NHL. EVERY TIME. Chytil needs to be farmed out, preferably to North Bay where the Rangers can keep close tabs on his handling, both on the ice and off (I'll bet there's a billeting family there with Czech roots who can speak the language). Andersson, who seems a little more physically and mentally mature, perhaps can start in Hartford but he'd better be playing 20+ minutes a night there regardless of how he fares. Err on the side of caution for crying out freakin' loud. No more Maholtra/Blackburn/Grachev/MDZ/et al stupid screw-ups. Please! And really, does anyone actually believe the difference between a struggle to make the POs and an early exit from those POs vs a long PO run is whether or not a kid who looks like a kid and I guarantee you has the strength of a kid plays on the big club? If so, with all due respect, that's just fantasy island stuff. At best.

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 1:49 pm EST

It's great to have a first round pick again. It gives us something to talk about in the preseason other than Avery's book.

HellsKitchen


Fri Sep 22 2017 1:47 pm EST

RF4L: I know you think I am over-reacting to the MILLER thing but as I was out this morning I was thinking about it....some more..... There is no need to put MILLER on the wing tonight just to see CHEETOS get another game. Both HAYES and DEHARNAIS played last game. Either one of them could have sat this one out and played on Saturday if they wanted to get CHEETOS another look at Center tonight. No, there was no reason to abandon the MILLER move to Center at the first chance he got unless he was serious about CHEETOS sticking with the team and having him play Center to MILLER and most likely MZA.

Vic


Fri Sep 22 2017 1:09 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 38m Three NYR cuts: Sean Day, Dawson Leedahl and Sergey Zborovskiy to Wolf Pack

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 12:58 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 4m4 minutes ago More AV said it is "possible" rookies Andersson and Chytil can make the opening night roster, but Nieves and at least 2 other forwards in the mix

RDW


Fri Sep 22 2017 12:23 pm EST

Irving shouldn't you be praying?....don't need smurf redux....now moof along....graze on....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 12:14 pm EST

Now that the "agida" of the off-season has passed and some of us have taken a deep breathe, ""Skates well and possesses a lot of offensive creativity--likes to control the puck, and keeps his feet moving at all times. Crafty, he works very hard at improving his overall game. Is not scared of going into heavy traffic areas, despite his smallish stature."" One could think of MATTS ZUCCARRELLO with this description, well it's not, it's DAVID DESHARNAIS..... Getting back to a 4th line combo of FAST / DESHARNAIS / LETTIRI; what I like about this is all three guys don't stop moving there feet, I'd bet their CORSI and puck possession time is above average greater than the lines they face on the ice, with FAST on that line they are going to be defensively responsible, they're going to be a threat to score for a 4th line, but I'm thinking that this is a line that can go out there and draw a penalty.... Now our PP has about as much power as Puerto Rico, but it will at least give our guys 2 minutes to rest with the man advantage, after all, isn't that what a PP is for?

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 12:06 pm EST

A Friday vote for Andersson & Chytle to return to the lower ranks for an additional year, whether they stay up here for the 9 games or not, there are pro's & con's on each side of the argument... If either guy starts ripping it up this season there's an opportunity for a call up come playoff season.............

mf


Fri Sep 22 2017 12:02 pm EST

Anyone else going to the game tonight? My son and I will be in section 105 seats F11 and F12.

Ranger47


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:39 am EST

Well if hanky and assvipe can't do it , this kid probably will....." @NYRStatsInfo · Sep 21 Since the start of last season, Shesterkin has posted a 39-4-1 record with a 1.60 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 10 SO in 47 KHL appearances. #NYR NYR Stats & Info @NYRStatsInfo Igor Shesterkin made 19 saves to help SKA win, 3-1. He has posted an 8-0-0 record with a 1.41 GAA, a .944 SV%, and 2 SO this season. #NYR

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:37 am EST

Mike Solarte Mike Solarte @MikeSolarte #Blackhawks Pat Foley giving an Eddie Olczyk health update. Went thru 5 hour surgery, facing 6 months of chemotherapy. Fight on, Edzo.

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:36 am EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 14m Waivers opened at noon. Adam Chapie on the list, according to CapFriendly

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 11:34 am EST

rf Nash played a preseason game, he's a lock. I'm starting to believe fishboy is pushing for both kids to stick in the nhl, so he'll have 6 centers. and make like his trade wasn't lopsided in the wrong direction for this season. And assvipe is probably of the same yes man corporate brown nose cya mindset .....those 2 kids will be here for at least the first 9 games, and maybe become the next eclairs.....but he won't be trading them for yandle.....

stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:46 am EST

IMWO thinking the Rangers will make a trade for a center before the season starts (beyond yet another dumpster dive) is dreaming. They certainly can use one but doubt we will get what we want.

NYStranger


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:44 am EST

_Arc - A gnat line might be fine in the worthless regular season, not in March and the POs when the game changes big time...One can say, well, we'll get the needed players at the deadline..It doesn't always work that way..I'd rather have a close to PO style ready team at the beginning if I could..then deal if things falter..

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:17 am EST

Moof- usually don't care much for linestrubation but I really like the idea of a ultra quick gnat line for the 4th. No matter how much I hold my breath we're never EVER gonna get a goon line so might as well be super irritating sand flies. I'm not a Jesper Fast guy at all (I don't think he is either fast or particularly quick) so I'd replace him with someone else (not an issue for a few weeks I think). Either way it would be entertaining to see em buzzing around. I think we've gotta find a place for this letteri kid- so far the biggest surprise for me outta this camp

_Arc


Fri Sep 22 2017 10:12 am EST

And I left out the 4th line of GRABNER-ANDERSSON-FAST if they want to really push ANDERSSON in as well. PIMPLE would probably be the fill-in for FAST until he gets back, and then the black ace / injury fill-in guy. That would mean cutting/trading DEHARNAIS though, and I think they like the guy and signed him to play. So, that may mean a trade of some kind as well.

Vic


Fri Sep 22 2017 9:58 am EST

VIC _ I don't disagree with the MILLER thing at all especially in regards to AV...And why I still think, until a trade, Center is still one big clusterfudge

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 9:30 am EST

TD and HOSPO: It shows me they aren't committed (or even really interested) in a move of MILLER to Center. It has nothing to do with who is getting another game and who isn't and you both know it. You can ignore the signal if you like. AV has been pretty easy to read on some things in the past. We will see how it plays out.

Vic


Fri Sep 22 2017 9:28 am EST

TD: Don't get me wrong. I don't think this is a competition between MILLER and CHEETOS. I just AV is dying to add the offensive ability of CHEETOS to the mix without having to move MILLER from wing. I have to believe they are drooling at the prospect of a top 9 that is something like: KREIDER-ZBAD-BUCH, MILLER-CHEETOS-MZA, VESEY-HAYES-NASH. That is a lot of speed an offensive talent to throw at any opponent.

Vic


Fri Sep 22 2017 8:11 am EST

RF4L - Totally agree..Personally, I think the Rangers would be morons from a team view point and from both Chtyl/Anderssons view point to seriously be considering them for top 9 ceenter in the NHL this season...They will be abused and eaten alive once the stuff really gets going..My bet is they are seriosuly looking at a trade for Center and are trying to see what they have everywhere during pre-season..ANd also why the typical yo-yoing of JT MILLER..JMWO

Hospo


Fri Sep 22 2017 8:06 am EST

Oh and Ondrej Pavelec gets his 2nd start - must be the number 1 goalie! ;^)

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:50 am EST

Oh and Adam Tambellini getting his 2nd consecutive game - so he's a lock, too! ;^)

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:35 am EST

Vic: I think you're over thinking it. Yes it's a possibility but hardly a done deal. 3 games into the pre-season doesn't mean much IMO. If it did Poink, who'll be dressed for his 2nd game is a lock. And Rick Nash who's not played at all is going to be waived. ;^)

rf4l


Fri Sep 22 2017 7:13 am EST

Vic - I tend to agree somewhat, but I don't necessarily think the reason is more attributed to what CHYTIL has shown than how MILLER has played...but here's another take: No doubt, some of the nonsense with calling a preponderance of faceoff fouls is an effect of the pre-season...teaching guys that this is a new rule that will be enforced in the season...but there's no doubt the NHL will be calling them...maybe not at a clip of seven and eight a game, but certain they're going to be called...something I'm seeing teams do now is get lines with two centers...two guys who can take faceoffs and win them. So that if the one center gets pitched, they still have another hand who can handle the draw. Just a thought...But back to Chytil and Andersson to a degree: I don't think either would have been signed had the Rangers not been somewhat certain that one would be on the starting roster. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if bot are on the roster.

tdchi


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:57 am EST

Boy did I nail that on the head. So much for MILLER playing Center. The only reason to do this is if they are seriously considering CHEETOS playing Center for this team this year. If he has a good game tonight you can fill out your lineup card. It is a done deal. Otherwise why would you do it? Why wouldn't you give MILLER the most possible time at Center and dress another winger who is trying to make the team? Why wouldn't you be putting MILLER between guys you are considering for spots as his linemates? No, CHEETOS is the golden boy. Just the fact that they are doing this leads me to believe that they have already made up their mind. This is probably a 75% done deal right now and the only way it doesn't happen is if he looks out of place tonight and in a future game.

Vic


Fri Sep 22 2017 6:29 am EST

Can't wait to hear ...." we had some good looks "...

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:52 am EST

“I think that’s the most important thing for me, that I can get to playing my game quick enough,” Shattenkirk said. “I think everything else will kind of take care of itself.”

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:50 am EST

Lil deuce coupe meet assvipe alias vinegar douche ....“Part of being a successful team is having players that play as well and as hard with and without the puck,” Vigneault said. “As much as we definitely brought [Shattenkirk] in for his offensive abilities, we need him to defend well, to show the right reads when he doesn’t have the puck. Because he’s going to be playing important minutes for us, and important minutes are against the best players in the league. That’s going to be a challenge for him, and I’m sure one that he wants and that he’s going to live up to.”

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:40 am EST

The new glass....“I want to play harder, be more physical,” Puempel said after Thursday’s practice, with him preparing to be in the lineup when the Rangers take on the Islanders at Bridgeport’s Webster Bank Arena on Friday night. “My first year in the American league, I had 10 or 12 [fights]. Last year, got hit a couple times in the head, those two concussions pretty close together, so I didn’t really engage too much like that to put yourself in that position. It’s just something — it doesn’t mean fighting every night. That’s not what the NHL is anymore, right?”

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:37 am EST

That didn't take long ....."First-round pick Filip Chytil is going to get a chance for an encore Friday after his impressive preseason debut Wednesday. He is slated to play center between J.T. Miller and Pavel Buchnevich. Originally, Vigneault wanted to move Miller back to center, but for this one game, he wants to get another look at Chytil down the middle, and he thought this was the best way to do it. “J.T., we know he can play all positions and play all positions well,” Vigneault said. “We know his versatility. Need to find out a little bit more about Filip.”

Stevielegs


Fri Sep 22 2017 3:33 am EST

Give this guy an A.....“He’s really skilled. You can see that in practice every day, the way he moves the puck and sees the ice,” said Zuccarello, who then added 19-year-old, seventh-overall selection Lias Andersson into the conversation. “These two first-rounders are really impressive, they’ve both done a good job. “Lias is more of a hard-working two-way player. Chytil is highly skilled and can make plays no one else can do. I think we are very lucky to have both, when their time comes.”

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:57 pm EST

mf - Paul CAREY is a guy I could see them carrying as a 13th or 14th forward. TBH, I think he's pretty far down the list as far as it goes for guys I'd pick for the last two forward spots...I think he'll stick around if he has a good game tomorrow...but his future with the organization is so limited that I can't see them taking him over someone who might stick around for two or three years on an entry level. In other words, if he has a break out year(against all odds) and does superb, then he's going to want more money and will leave as a UFA. If he plays like his stats suggest he will, then he'all get bumped the minute a kid is ready. we shall see. He's a sleeper pick of mine to make the team.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:23 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/21/kevin-shattenkirk-knows-the-rangers-pressure-is-going-to-hit/

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 5:17 pm EST

For you Debbie Fans out there, DAMON SEVERSON RHS 23 y/o D'man probably had his name mentioned more than any other Devil possibly player in last nights game.... Wish he was a Ranger .... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9506

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 5:13 pm EST

TD: Did CAREY make it past your first round of cuts? Can this guy play center, he looked okay in preseason?

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 5:07 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46Vvwa04ZqY

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 5:01 pm EST

CM -True dat. Count eight if you include DESHARNAIS and PAVELEC. Of course, the Sens iced a team against the Leafs the other night where I don't think you'd have a strong argument to say they had more than six NHLers in the lineup...

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:59 pm EST

Vic - Don't fool yourself: MILLER moving to wing is less to do with how he performed there and more about how much CHYTIL impressed folks...Interestingly enough, Cerney doesn't believe they'll keep him...and that ANDERSSON is the guy they'll have stay...but if I'm a Ranger coach, there's just simply no way I wouldn't explore letting that kid stay...Someone mentioned Chytil needs to put on weight...well, he's listed now at 6'2 and 202 pounds...which is absolutely nuts...means he put on 10 pounds of muscle over the summer, and I can believe it. He looked like a string bean at the draft...and at JUST 18, that means his playing weight will probably be somewhere around 220...which is also nuts. We shall see. One game does not make a season...but literally everything I've seen from this guy thus far suggests he's ready for NHL play...even just seeing the footage of him OWN players with the Czech U20s during some international tourney over the summer...I can't believe the guy dropped to 21 and wasn't slotted to be picked unto the late second, early third round. There must be a catch...

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:56 pm EST

Bye bye so long farewell... see you next September when the summers through .... maybe

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:49 pm EST

Vic - Next cuts are Saturday, so pretty much that lineup are the guys who are on the fence. Curious that NIEVES isn't skating...I suspect that means he's headed down...Ditto with FONTAINE and PEDRIE...A 'little' surprised DAY didn't get into one exhibition game and wonder if that means he's headed back to juniors instead of Hartford, where he can play this year...ANDERSSON is also out, but I have a feeling that's more because the kid has been skating games every week since mid-August...SCHNEIDER and CATENACCI are done, as is GILMOUR, I'd say...CRAWLEY headed back to juniors for sure. Dawson LEEDAHL to Pack camp. Would bet the farm that HALVERSIEVE and NELL are en route to Hartford too.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:47 pm EST

TDCHI - You just couldn't leave it alone, could you? :) I think you're totally wrong of course...but doesn't matter..he's gone and we have enough players around to, ahem, discuss!

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:44 pm EST

STEVIE and HOSPO: Yep, we don't get to make those decisions and our opinions mean squat. We will just have to wait and see how it plays out.....

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:39 pm EST

Vic no my job...the brain rust are supposed to be the experts....loosed definition.....can't wait for their decisions.....locked and loaded....

stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:28 pm EST

Hospo - What? Tanner Glass is my hero! Now I need to get a new jersey to wear to games...Seriously though, on a different team and with a different contract, I would have been fine with a guy like Glass on our roster...Imagine him on a line with BOYLE and PRUST during the Tortorella Era...would have been a fun one to watch, for sure...And I tell you what: Any guy who goes down to the AHL after playing in the NHL most of his career, rides the bus and doesn't make a peep about it...rather continues to play his game? Well, that's a solid character in my book...my issues with Glass were that he was signed to a three-year contract that probably paid him a little less than twice what he was worth...and that he simply didn't fit this team or this coach...AV wants nothing to do with a checking line...and given how rapidly the league has switched to speed, I don't blame him...it's all about speed and skill now, and a guy like Glass just never could keep up with his linemates...I wish him luck in Calgary. It's a good young team and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he makes the roster. He fits the direction of that club a lot better than he did in New York.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:21 pm EST

VIC - Valid point about the L-R thang..We'll see ....even if we disagree about Pionk being able to "outplay" Staal and Holden during real NHL games or him outplaying Graves right now...I also think we have opposite desires for a 3rd pair d-man...But since neither of us pick the team, it's a moot point..

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:03 pm EST

STEVIE: The difference with PIRRI is that he was notorious for being a streaky scorer who can disappear for months at a time. And really when he wasn't scoring he was doing little else to help the team. But let me ask you this.....if you don't use Preseason as the measuring stick for who should make the team and who shouldn't (for the guys on the bubble) then how should you decide? Isn't it the most fair way to make that determination? They all know there are a few roster spots available. They all have to deal with the pressure of performing to claim that spot. And they should. Because they are going to have to deal with the pressure to perform on a nightly basis in the NHL.

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:59 pm EST

HOSPO: The issue is that the Rangers have 1 right handed D in SHATTENKIRK and 5 lefties McDONAGH, SKJEI, SMITH, STAAL and HOLDEN. They played SMITH, SKJEI and HOLDEN on the right side last year at times but that was less then ideal. I'd be willing to live with one of them playing his off side (SMITH) but I don't like it. McDONAGH and SKJEI are going to be your top two on the left side. SHATTENKIRK and SMITH are most likely going to be your top two on the right side. You may disagree but I would much rather see PIONK (or DeANGELO) on the right side of that 3rd pairing. I want one of those guys for the PP and because either one will outskate, outpass, and generally outplay either HOLDEN or STAAL on the right side. I'd keep KAMPFER as the 7th. Right now I think PIONK has outplayed both DeANGELO and GRAVES but that was only one game and we don't see what is going on in practice.

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:56 pm EST

Vic I don't like when a player makes the roster because of the preseason and then doesn't come close to that during the season or after the first 10-20 games... Think dissa - pirri...

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:51 pm EST

I'm not here to do fishboy 's or veenyo 's jobs, I'm just here to critique them. Let them figure out the roster and then everyone can moan and groan in harmony of disagreement and disappointment. And agree to disagree!.,.. when do the playoffs start?

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:45 pm EST

Patrick jagr will take the kid gambling.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:39 pm EST

VIC - WIthout a deal of Staal or Holden (and I hope we don't deal either), I don't see Pionk (better than D'angelo; I like GRAVES better but AV/Gordo don't) making the team as a 6th D-man...KAMPFER is perfect as the extra 7th D-man for now

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:35 pm EST

Wow, if that lineup for tomorrow doesn't scream "Ok, here is your chance to make the roster out of camp". Much will be decided after tomorrow night's game. I'd love to see MY COUSIN VINNY make it but for that to happen he has to play like he did the other night and at the TCT. He has to earn it. As do the rest. So the centers will be MILLER, HAYES, DIJON and CHEETOS? Or will they move MILLER back to wing and have him on the line with CHEETOS? Wouldn't surprise me if AV's "MILLER EXPERIMENT" only lasted one game even though he looked really good at Center. On D unless there is a deal I see only one of PIONK or DeANGELO making it. I have to think there is a deal coming involving HOLDEN.....or maybe STAAL????

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:17 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W25KRAmUBCw

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 3:10 pm EST

Hospo- Thx for the heads up on Deuce, definitely going to watch it!

Ola


Thu Sep 21 2017 2:33 pm EST

CMark: me thinks that ""Fast / Day-R-Nay / Lettieri"" would be a buzz saw of a finesse line good on the forecheck, a threat to score and defensively responsible.... Think it's worth a try in the Line Generator

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 2:29 pm EST

TD- They must have the absolute bare minimum for NHL vets to play in a pre-season game.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 2:28 pm EST

MF- I agree with you that Lettieri is a nice looking prospect. I'm just not sure where he is going to fit in the lineup. Seems like a waste to put him on the 4th line. Maybe he plays the wing on Miller's left. If he's ready, I'd love it if they give him a chance.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 2:07 pm EST

TDCHI - Kampfer and the Kids...It will be interesting to watch that group of D-men

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:56 pm EST

Lineups for tomorrow released. Forwards: Miller, Puempel, Hayes, Farnham, Vesey, Carey, Desharnais, Chytil, Tambellini, Stromwall, Buchnevich, Lettieri; D and goalies: Bereglazov, Pionk, Kampfer, Graves, Skjei, DeAngelo.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:53 pm EST

The Punk? no way does Farnham make the squad, he's a waste of time and a roster spot

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:53 pm EST

Later in the season..Andersson, Fontaine, etc..

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:51 pm EST

CMark: I am just a fan who has never played the game, however (and I know I'm a broken record at times) Vinni Lettieri is going to make this line-up... For the few shifts we got to see, He worked hard along the boards and came away with the puck more times than not. When he did not he was right there on defense, his skating looks good, so does his hustle, he displayed a little swagger & confidence.... This lineup needs his RHS, you can see it on the PP, a LHS at the Left Circle prohibits reaching that higher gear. You don't need to have played the game to see that, that's what I see.

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:50 pm EST

So if The Rangers are happy with JT at center, and that is still TBD..It's pretty simple to me...Desharnais as 4th C.. and three other spots open amongst The Pimple, The Punk, The Dog Named Boo, The Invisble Man and, for VIC, The Vinnster..I'd be looking at jagr and the waiver wire!

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:41 pm EST

MF- AHL burns a contract year, so that is why I suggested the 9 game thing. Definitely think the advantage of not burning a year of a contract will benefit the team later on MORE than it will benefit the team right now. I just don't like the options for those bottom few slots right now, so someone has to impress me out of the AHL fodder.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:35 pm EST

Hospo: good point: why should we burn 2 roster spots for the first 9 games while the team has to mold itself for the season? ..... My fickle thought of the moment is let Puempel / Boo / Lettieri fill the 11th, 12th, 13th spots on the line-up while FAST is rehabbing.... for 6th & 7th D'men: Holden / Kampfer seems fine.... On a side note, I'm looking forward to RYAN GRAVES earning his way onto the roster making Holden & then Staal expendable... Perhaps this season & hopefully no longer than the beginning of next.... The year after that I'm hoping Sean Day is anchoring the 3rd Pair RHS even though he's a LHS.......

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:22 pm EST

Think Anderson & Chytel should get their 9 games and then play in their home-town leagues or AHL if it does NOT burn a year of contract.... There is No need to rush these kids, they are not NHL Playoff Ready...... IMO & Based on 2 pre-season games RHS RW - VINNI LETTIERI get's the nod at 12th / 13th forward from within the org..... My Big concerns are still the Center Position and BUCHNEVICH...... Could anyone imagine this team's potential if Buchnevich becomes one of the most dominant wings on the roster? Cut it out / don't go there, we're Ranger fans and know better than to think that way..

mf


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:19 pm EST

I doubt Cheetos makes the team but on the chance he does, anyone care to bet a case of Tallboys that Jagr gets signed immediately to bolster the PP and mentor the young Czech lad on how to be a pro and live in NYC? He'd be a heck of a mentor in terms of how to physically & mentally approach the game, etc. he may also show him how to pull quality broads down in TriBeCa

PatrickDiv


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:17 pm EST

CM - I don't see any reason to give Chityl or Anderssson 9 or 10 games..But that's because I don't think they should be in the NHL no matter what while others do..I just assume to get them where they are going so they can work on their total game....All this is based on my viewings of Andersson at the Junior Tournament, TC and the other night (good) while I have yet to see Chytl....If he's the next Jan Hlavac, then maybe I'll change my mind..:)

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:04 pm EST

Colorado I like that line up but I would rather see NASYwith JTM for defense

Pal17


Thu Sep 21 2017 12:36 pm EST

Oh, and through 20 minutes I don't see what you guys saw in DEHARNAIS. Maybe his game gets better through the rest of the game. I saw him on the PP in the first and it was not something I wish to see in the future. So far I'm not impressed but I know the Rangers signed him with the intention of him being on the roster so.... And, GRABNER sucked in the preseason last year so maybe DEHARNAIS just needs time to get his game going and be ready for the regular season.

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 12:32 pm EST

Other observations. CHEETO (I do like that name better) is clearly the real deal. That is the kind of talent you draft in the top 10. Weird that the draft went the way it did but I'll take it. Put me in the camp that says don't rush the kid. Let him put some muscle on his frame and play somewhere he can dominate and be a go-to guy. ANDERSSON continued to improve. GROPP is playing better then last year for sure but he is going to need a few years in Hartford. No need to rush him or give up on him. TAMBELLINI didn't do much in the first. PIMPLE had some chances to pop one in (CM: I see what you did and raise you!). Not too much else stood out for me in the first period.

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 12:27 pm EST

LEO: Thanks and good to hear. As for the game I have only had the chance to watch the first period so far. I'll watch the rest tonight. Quick observations from just 20 minutes: So it wasn't bad enough for the Rangers to be bad at faceoffs to start with, so now we have to give the Rangers penalties for evening trying to take a faceoff??? WTF??? Oh and those replays clearly show that there were more Devils players with their feet in the circle then Ranger players. SHATTY looked good. That was a great play he made on the PP goal where instead of doing the drop pass he hit VESEY right on the tape with a beautiful pass. VESEY made a great pass to HAYES and HAYES took the puck to the net. That is 3 things that I wanted to see from those 3 players on the same play. Very nice. I wanted to see SHATTY's passing ability. I wanted to see VESEY start to make plays instead of just forechecking and crashing the net. And I wanted to see HAYES take pucks to the net when he has the chance instead of looking for someone to pass to for the highlight reel goal. Check marks for all 3.

Vic


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:38 am EST

Another quick thought: Both CHYTIL and ANDERSSON are going to be in the WJCs in December. I'm not sure when their respective teams roll over to North America, but I'm pretty sure it's mid-December.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:23 am EST

Another option is to give ANDERSSON and CHYTIL 9 games before sending them back to EUROPE. That would give FAST enough time to heal, give the guys a taste of the NHL regular season and keep us from having to CAREY a SCHNEIDER (see what I did there?)

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:19 am EST

HOSPO- Agreed, but I think so many teams are having success with the youngsters coming in and dominating that it is tempting to see a couple of kids with talent and think the time is now. And I do think contracts have to be considered. If CHYTIL turns into the player he potentially can be, we'll be paying him big bucks so why only get two years with him on the cheap. I actually like DESHARNAIS for now.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:16 am EST

TD- We have 49 players in camp. But AV wants two teams for most of camp, so that's his reasoning. I agree. Rather get t down to the guys with actual shots to make the team. No reason DAY and CRAWLEY aren't back with their Junior teams.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:15 am EST

CM - I think we pretty much agree in philosophy of how to utilize and bring along the youngsters..UNlike others on here, I'm nowhere convinced of ANYBODY vying for a 4th line job and hope there will be a trade or waiver wire pick up...But, Like him or not, I think DESHARNAIS is a given..

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:13 am EST

CM/Hospo - Well, speaking of big wingers...JAGR has apparently tabbed Oct. 5 as the day he'll pick his new team. Apparently has a couple of offers...said no need for camp because after 25-plus years in the NHL, everyone knows who he is...

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:11 am EST

So if I had to pick a roster after the first two games, here's how I have it: KREIDER-ZBAD-ZUCC, NASH-HAYES-VESEY, GRABNER(for now)-MILLER-BUCHENEVICH, PUEMPEL-DESHARNAIS-NIEVES/SCHNEIDER/CAREY with FARNHAM as the extra. Not convinced on him yet, but he could be useful and won't hurt his development as a healthy scratch. Plus he will sign on the cheap and we might need the cap space to trade for another winger. I'd rather have BOO play top line minutes for a full year in the AHL, but I'm up for getting him some games before FAST comes back. Better to use CAREY or SCHNEIDER there for now. Not as exciting as putting a flashy kid in there, but these guys have experience and won't hurt us in the meantime. SHATTENKIRK-MCDONAGH, SKJEI-SMITH, STAAL-HOLDEN with KAMPFER as the 7th. Let DEANGELO and PIONK actually play in Hartford, which will do a lot better with the overhauled team and probably some good goaltending. I am hoping HOLDEN plays like the HOLDEN of the 1st half. I think this is the best lineup for developing our young talent. But again, this is after two games.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:09 am EST

Speaking of "DEUCE" anybody see the new series on HBO with James Franco?...Takes place in NYC/Times Square 1971...Pretty good show..

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:08 am EST

E- I agree that quickness/Speed is probably the key in todays NHL but, on the backline, you still need the size and attitude to defend in the POS (regular season sucks and doesn't matter).We saw that last year...BRAEDY SKJEI is an ultimate example..Small, or weak, puck moving D-men who can't handle the forechecking and pounding in the POs will be nothing but liabilities by then even if they got 30 assists during the regular season

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:08 am EST

CM - Not totally certain, but I think it's cuz Shatty wears #22...Hence deuces. Of course, 'dropping a deuce' has a certain connotation to me. And I know when he first came into a league, me and a friend used to joke about 'taking a Shattenkirk' to describe that very bodily function, so ShattDeuces...well...kind of a shatty twitter handle if you ask me ;)

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:03 am EST

TDCHI - You and I definitely had our differences on GLASS, but i think we agree he's a great guy and was a good Ranger/teamate..I hope he latches on out there...Maybe we'll have FARNHAM to disagree on this season, just likely the tables will be turned!!

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:02 am EST

"Drew Miller, John Mitchell and Mark Stuart have been released from their PTOs Blackhawks are down to 54 players in camp" --54?!? FIFTY FOUR?!? Sweet lord. What is the purpose of carrying THAT many guys into camp?! Saw the Pens were down to 47 yesterday and thought that was nuts. Not sure how many the Rangers have, but seriously...how do you evaluate how well your players will mesh when you have that many bodies?

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 11:02 am EST

Hospo: not really counting the chickens. Just an observation. Of course I have no delusions about what happens. Injuries, trades, failure to launch etc... it’s all a factor. But the young core of the New York Rangers looks good to me. As they have been coming along. And the yutes look decent so far. We will have to see but standing here today? I haven’t had to grumble a lot about some of the picks and moves as of late. I cannot see a McIlrath scenario around. And you guys know me. I think the key in the "new” NHL is speed. He who can play quickest has the advantage. Especially off of the blue line. And this blueline has that DNA right now. I look forward to seeing how they come together because if nothing else this might be an exciting team. Winning games 6-5.

E


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:59 am EST

CM - Good stuff...VESEY is one player that can really explode this year.And hopefully his chemistry with HAYES (if they play together) can help Hayes be a more complete player..

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:59 am EST

"Big" not "Bog". HOSPO- I agree that we do need another winger if Miller is the guy at 3rd line C. Grabner is great on the 4th, not so much on the third, even with his scoring outburst last year. Unless they do take CHYTIL and put him on the third line with MILLER and BUCH, our depth isn't there .

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:57 am EST

The GLASS is half full: https://t.co/eYk9CryObl

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:56 am EST

Now, if the Rangers were a bad team and weren't chock full of talent and wanting to win a CUP, it would a totally different story...

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:55 am EST

My 2 pennies on last night: SHATTENKIRK- I think the guy is a great add at an even better price. He will add a lot to the power play for sure. I know the PP looked rough at times, but there is a lot of potential with ShatDeuces (WTF on that Twitter Handle? It sounds like a Frat boy sentence after a night of drinking!) CHYTIL (Glad I know how it is pronounced, now!) is a gem. He is bog and skilled. I say let him go back to Czech and dominate there. He's a stud. No need to burn a year of his contract in Hartford. He'll be costing us a lot in a few years, so lets make sure he's ready to thrive before burning a year. ANDERSSON- He could play now but why rush him as well? I think DESHARNAIS looked like a capable 4th line center PP specialist and MILLER and HAYES look great as our 2nd and 3rd centers. BOO can be the call up for injuries or even the 12th/13th guy at least until FAST is ready. VESEY looked ready to contribute. He and HAYES had some nice chemistry. GROPP was nondescript, but I wouldn't give up on him just yet. LEt's see how he does this year in Hartford. He's 20 and a power forward. If he doesn't improve by next years camp than I'm okay with him getting put on the BUST BUS. I really Like SMITH. TAMBELLINI and CATTENACCI (Also my favorite pasta dish) didn't stand out. I kept looking for DESJARDINS but it was deja vu from the first game.

ColoradoMark


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:54 am EST

TDCHI - I'm with you on the D and Wings (one more is needed IF JT plays center) and The King..ALL strong components...we just disagree on Center and what to take out of early exhibition games..And my concerns at center aren't just the "open" 3rd and 4th C positions being contested but, more importantly, the 1st and 2nd C spot being handed to both ZBAD and HAYES.........On the other issue, I think the performance in the EARLY pre-sesason games can be a good barometer on whether or not these players will help the Rangers in the NHL...The question it doesn't answer is WHEN...They all can have good camps and then the season starts and they and the Rangers get smacked in the face with reality..Qnd then it's too late..I think that's very likely if the Rangers gove spots to guys that excelled in the 1st two games...Give them the sentier Camp..Hell, I think they should be given months in Hartford, at the least...The Rangers, with their talent can afford to be smart and conservative in that way..JMWO....Now, if somebody is still busting the doors down at pre-season game 7, MAYBE you keep him and get rid of somebody else (i.e., Pionk vs Holden)..I still don't like the idea! Different strokes....

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:40 am EST

RF4L/Hospo - It's not "rushing" if either kid makes the team out of camp. And sure, it's pre-season. But as much as y'all want to say they're meaningless games, they are the NHL at three-quarters speed. Just about ever full-squad roster has between 8 to 10 NHLers and another three or four guys who stand a strong chance of being NHLers. These games are harder and stronger than most AHL games. Definitely juniors. And probably on par with SEL and the Czech league...now if I were to rank the forwards last night in terms of performance, I'd say KREIDER and ZUCC were the best. But third? Tough. HAYES and VESEY had their moments, but I think CHYTIL played a better overall game. One game, sure. But he sure looked like he belonged last night. Also sounds like the Rangers agree, since it sounds like he's going to get top six minutes again tomorrow...I think y'all have a more valid argument with ANDERSSON, who, while playing well, hasn't shown the type of high-end skill Chytil did last night...he's been solid, no doubt. And he's doing a lot of little things very well. But if there was a guy who I would send to the minors, it's him. He's someone I could see benefiting from big line minutes in a fast league before skipping up to the NHL.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:16 am EST

Hospo: I'm with you on tempering expectations. Time and time again early in the pre-season we see certain players stand out only to subsequently watch them fade as pre-season moves along and more and more established players get icetime. 2 games in and neither the Islanders or the Devils provided much opposition. Of course, it's much better to see what we're seeing vs the opposite but let's see how things are in 10 days. All that said, I, too, am excited by the play of the 2 first rounders and Poink. This organization is in dire need of young talent like that - let them evolve properly, however - we've seen the negative results too many times over the years with this stupid team of rushing young, inexperienced players.

rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 10:12 am EST

Sorry, just don't get the incessant need to rush Chytil and (to a lesser extent) Andersson. Err on the side of caution. If the Rangers need either to make the POs, they're better off finishing out of the POs because the roster is that pathetic.

rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:54 am EST

I know what Gorton has said regarding Chytil heading back to Europe if he doesn't make the team, but I think it would behoove the Rangers to convince him to stay in North America and have both Andersson and Chytil play together in Hartford this year. They both have high end and specific skill sets and I think they're both a year away. I'd like for the team to keep them close to support their growth. I think the Rangers go into the season with the following lineup: Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello, Vesey-Hayes-Nash, Grabner-Miller-Buchnevich, Peumpel-Desharnais-Fast, Nieves, McDonagh-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Smith, Staal-Pionk, Holden, Lundqvist-Pavelec.

evets1980


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:41 am EST

Hospo - It's not just how the centers have performed. It's also how the D has looked. As I suspected, the Ranger D is just incredibly mobile. I can't remember a time this century when it moved as quick as it is now. STAAL, who is not a bad skater at all, looks like the slowest among them...having mobile D is a big help to your centers. Means they don't have to worry about positioning as much.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:39 am EST

My read of the tea leaves is that CHYTIL sticks with the team and ANDERSSON lands in Hartford. I don't think the Rangers will let/want either to head back to Europe...granted, my evidence is purely anecdotal, but I don't think either would have been signed had the intended to leave them over there...Like I said yesterday, I think they're one and two respectively for the 12th and 13th roster spot until FAST comes back...I'm torn on NIEVES maybe getting the call over ANDERSSON...but right now, I'd say the gap between Chytil and the next forward in line is very sizeable.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:37 am EST

TDCHI - You're feeling optimistic about the C position after a 2nd garbage pre-season game against the DEVILS??? Damn, I wish I could feel like that and I hope you are right..Me..I hope to god the Rangers are looking for a real C (or another Wing) and would eant t wait until the last few pre-season games when all the jokers are off the ice

Hospo


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:24 am EST

RF4L - He sure did. Looked more like a guy trying to play his way into the top six than a guy most have slated for the bottom three...Tell you what: The combination of MILLER and HAYES both having strong outings...DESHARNAIS having a spectacular first game and CHYTIL looking like he's meaning to stay in New York...and the fact that ANDERSSON, despite playing poised and looking like he could probably handle the NHL, is the weakest of the four...I'm starting to get a lot less worried about the fate of the center position...and that's before factoring in NIEVES and FONTAINE, who have both played well.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:20 am EST

rangerlou - That was my other 'WTF' moment last night...saw the fight...didn't see who was dropping bombs at first and was thinking maybe KRIEDER...then the jersey...PUEMPEL?!? But shit, the kid did pretty good! LAPPIN isn't a tough guy by any stretch...but he was taking liberties ALL night. Just cheapshotting guys. When the PBP guys were like 'maybe this was a carry over from juniors...' or something...uh no...It was because Lappin was being a goddamn douche and Puempel, to his credit, had enough. Checked his card on hockeyfights.com and apparently this wasn't his first match...had a season with seven bouts in the AHL...Good for him though. Didn't have a very noticeable game otherwise, but him whaling on Lappin was enough for me to say he gets a star by his name.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 9:13 am EST

Vic - We've come full circle ;)

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 8:33 am EST

Day-har-nay looked good, didn't he?

rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:59 am EST

Gropp = bust I suspect. Too bad.

Rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:57 am EST

On last night...and more on CHYTIL...man, was I surprised with how good this kid looked...especially considering that he just...I mean JUST turned 17. Two weeks into 18 and he has his first professional goal...handled the PP masterfully...so much so that it almost pains me to see him continue working with the Rangers...I kid...but he and ZUCC has some clear chemistry from the start of the game...and he was over 50 percent in the FO circle too...much more of this and I think we have our third line center...the other guy who really stood out for me was DESHARNAIS. He could be a real find for the Rangers...I tuned in after the action started and for a second there, I thought Marty St. Louis had come out of retirement. Played a very good game, albeit against the Devils sans their best players...SKJEI had a rough game...so did GILMOUR...Best on D was SHATTY, who has added a new dimension to the PP. Very interesting that instead of having two defenseman manning the points on the PP, they had Shatty up there ranging the blueline and four guys down low. He's mobile and smart enough to do it. So far, looking like a very good addition. And he's quick too. Said it before and I'll say it again: The blueline that was once the team's greatest liability may now be its biggest asset...Brendan SMITH could be one of the instances where the Rangers traded draft picks where they made off with a steal...TAMBELLINI was somewhat nondescript, but had a brilliant scoring chance in the second before he got the shit hooked out of him. Thought he played a good defensive game, which he'll need to do to make the team...GROPP...sigh...I keep waiting for this guy to wake up, but it's just not happening... I don't think he'll be around after the next cuts...Don't think DESJARDINS will be around much longer either...on a Devils' note: I figured the Rangers would offer Jimmy HAYES a PTO and I'm kind of sorry they didn't. He played a great game last night and clearly got a wakeup call when he got bounced from Boston...I'm almost positive the Devils will offer him a contract...and he would have been a nice addition...big body who crowds the net...GEORGIEV also looked pretty good out there...very poised in traffic. He'll be backstopping Hartford, which is excellent news for the Pack.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:47 am EST

Stevie. Disagree. For sure the OHL over the AHL. He's still a boy. There's zero reason to rush this kid. Been there done that with this organization. For back home vs Hartford.

Rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:42 am EST

Rf that doesn't make a lot of sense. He needs to be where he can develop and learn the language, so he can graduate to the NHL. He belongs in Hartford. And see how he does.

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:39 am EST

RF4L - Yeah, Czech writers have been saying that for weeks...no OHL...No AHL...either Rangers or back to the Czech leagues...but look at it this way: If he keeps playing like he has in rookie camp and last night, you'll get to see a whole hell of a lot of him...Aside from perhaps PIONK, he's been the guy in camp that has impressed me the most. Looks like I could rue the day I blasted them for drafting him instead of KOSTIN.

tdchi


Thu Sep 21 2017 7:26 am EST

LB saying Gorton saying Chytil, if not on the Rangers, will go back to the Czech because that's where he's most comfortable. I'm holding out for North Bay! It'd be great to watch him over the season there - won't see much if he's back overseas.

rf4l


Thu Sep 21 2017 5:13 am EST

Could be my imagination, but it looks like ruff was half forced on assvipe. And ahkneel is consistent on the pp coaching. Where's buekeboom?

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 4:39 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/chris-kreider-knows-he-must-become-one-of-rangers-leaders/

Stevielegs


Thu Sep 21 2017 1:36 am EST

these new FO rules are a pip... it will be interesting to see if those who were previously leaders in the FO circle remain dominant and or will new guys rise in this category..... can't wait to watch the players touching hands after they "miss" a foul shot

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:59 pm EST

E - That's alot of counting chickens before they hatch..All three need time in Hartford and hopefully get better and better with experience

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:28 pm EST

Saw some real good skill in Cheeto. Andersson is definitely going to be an NHL player. It’s a matter of when. All in all, thus far between Pionk, Cheeto, and Andersson I’m pretty happy. You have three players that I think are going to be joining a core of the next wave of New York Rangers to join the McD, Skjei, Chris Krieder, JT, Vesey etc... as they round into their prime. You have some quality depth there.

E


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:08 pm EST

We still have Gibbons? Another one of Gordo's dumpster dives....Good stiff on Andersson and Chytll..A good year/year and a hlef in Hartford/Juniors and maybe these guys will really help.....KREIDER and MILLER indeeed need to step up as leaders up front because NASH and others sure don't provide it..

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 10:53 pm EST

2 great new rules slashing = touching, faceoffs violation = linesmen playing games on dropping the puck .... typical NHL perversion...stupid preseason then eventual disappearance as season progresses and will be gone for the closed eyed officials in the playoffs. ....

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 10:52 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/chris-kreider-knows-he-must-become-one-of-rangers-leaders/

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 10:36 pm EST

http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/rangers-rookie-shows-he-belongs/

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 9:56 pm EST

Anderson and Chytil DO NOT EQUAL Brendl and Lundmark

schneidw


Wed Sep 20 2017 9:45 pm EST

Chytil and Andersson look like gamers. I love Andersson's fire. In a draft not particularly deep on top end talent, Chytil looks like a real find late in the first round. He's got real poise and patience with the puck. I'm excited about these two guys in the long term.

evets1980


Wed Sep 20 2017 9:45 pm EST

Oh yeah, Chytil's exciting. Just don't rush him!!!!!

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:52 pm EST

Chytil...Czech Dyslexia

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:50 pm EST

The kid has some moxie

tlats


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:50 pm EST

Holy Shit, Chityl was a beast on that last PP!

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:50 pm EST

HeeeeeeeeTle !!!!!

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:42 pm EST

I think AV is taking a liking to this kid Chiti Chiti bang bang

tlats


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:40 pm EST

Another thing occurred to me. I thought the goalie pads were supposed to be smaller? Looks the same to me...

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:39 pm EST

Or 1 for 8

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:38 pm EST

No, no! 1 for 7

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:36 pm EST

Shattenkirk having a positive PP impact - 0 for 8 so far tonight! LOL

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:32 pm EST

Rf: and it is like the Rangers are fighting each other on who is going to pass up the shot! Yes. Mid-season form....

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:31 pm EST

On the other hand, Kreider a beast tonight...

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:29 pm EST

OMG, running around like headless chickens. LOL...mid-season form!

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:21 pm EST

Arc it would be better if we didn't have any of these BS calls. Didn't think face offs were that big of a deal to make such a black and whit rule

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:18 pm EST

You guys noticed that ever since AV went off on the linesmen about being lopsided on the face off calls, the Rangers have gotten all the calls!!!! Imagine that coach!!

_Arc


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:05 pm EST

Do we have to keep either of the Desjar-Twins! Really?

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:03 pm EST

Oh, and Gibbons sure is a little pint sized rock troll, isn't he? Didn't he come from Shittsburg? That is even worse! HaHa

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:58 pm EST

I used to love to watch these pre-season games but man these games lately are a tough watch. The calls as usual are ridiculous and the hitting and rough stuff is gone from the game. Yes we got a cameo fight but that was lame as well. I don't know what to say about my interest in the NHL but I found the first 40 or so games last year really boring to watch. Yes the Rangers were exciting for us fans when they were popping goals at a unprecedented rate early but the games still were not that great of a watch. So Bungholio wants to create more interest by calling 15 stupid ticky tack penalties a game? I bet we still see pocket change fines for sickening, dangerous head shots this year. Sure hope the players and refs figure this out.

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:56 pm EST

Hip- considering he just turned 18 Chytil looks pretty good out there. He's looks big but moves smoothly. Doesn't look particularly fast but skates a bit like Jagr in a sense. Good hands and size to maintain control even in tight places. I think he's only going to get better; seems to enjoy being out there and provided he gets stronger and more explosive, wouldn't be at all surprised if he's got top9 min next year. Jmo

_Arc


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:42 pm EST

Holy crap....Who knew Pimple can FIGHT

rangerlou


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:31 pm EST

tdchi & Vic thanks for the great response. PIMPLE just had a fight so looks like he wants to stay!

Pal17


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:31 pm EST

The kid Chytil looks real smooth

tlats


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:46 pm EST

Can't watch tonight, how's CHYTIL looking?

hipcheck


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:36 pm EST

Got it.....MSG

melvillefred


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:16 pm EST

Who's showing the game today

melvillefred


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:15 pm EST

Staal in mid-season form early in the first! LOL

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:13 pm EST

BTW, keep an eye on Calle Rosen an UFA defenseman signed by the Leafs out of Sweden. 15 teams pursued him - Mike Babcock was the only coach to call him and that solidified his decision.

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:07 pm EST

Thanks TD and RF4L

DCIGolfer


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:03 pm EST

TD/DCI - email me at jdwwdj@cogeco.ca...got a link for ya!

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:02 pm EST

A dog named Boo. LOLOLOL...you have a great ability to come up with off the wall nicknames Hospo. LOLOLOL...

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 5:56 pm EST

DCIGolfer: check here: https://www.reddit.com/r/NHLStreams/comments/71el8m/game_thread_devils_at_rangers_700_pm_et/ I use Google Chrome, which helps you knock down a lot of the popups. Start looking for a good stream now though. Kind of a pain in the ass and a DO so miss HockeyStreams.com, which was a god send, even if it was as illegal as shit and still cost a c-note ;)

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 5:56 pm EST

Someone requested this...."Brian Boyle remembers being booed by MSG crowd both as Ranger and as opponent: Now a Devil: "I don't mind pissing off that crowd." -

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 5:40 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/jason-blake-who-continued-career-after-leukemia-diagnosis-knows-what-brian-boyle-is-facing

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 4:43 pm EST

Vic - I hope it doesn't fade away; it's already become one of my favorite days of the hockey off-season doldrums! mf - no need to worry about my internet ego. My only true knowledge is knowing that I know nothing. But I am good with Beatle minutae :)

LeoS


Wed Sep 20 2017 4:02 pm EST

I have unsubstantiated paranoia about BUCHNEVICH for this upcoming season and hope he lights it up...... LETTIERI impressed me in game 1, so did CAREY to a lesser extent, and on Defense I'm stoked to see GRAVES improvement...... PIONK & DEANGELO have much to prove we shall see....... So tonight we get to watch GROPP & TAMBELLINI.... It will be an opportunity to see if they should be traded..... Cameo appearance by SHATTENKIRK tonight........

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:56 pm EST

VIC - Just becasue I didn't gush over LITTERI??? Sorry, I jsut saw nothing but I Don't hate everyone...I thought ANDERSSON and KAMPFER were really good the other night and should have a leg up for a spot..OTOH, I want ANDERSSON on Hartfortd's 1st line playing 15-20 mins a night..Also like GRAVES alot...The rest...meh......TDCHI - If PIONK makes the team, and I still think it's a big if, my bet is he is sent back down within 10 games..Not physically or defensively ready...Just like D'angelo...But, as always, MWO....

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:54 pm EST

Grabner was no dumpster dive. And while we can all admit he overachieved somewhat last season he is the perfect New York Rangers AV player. Versatile, PK specialist and all around threat to take off anytime on you.

E


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:53 pm EST

MF: No way! This is the only kind of Rosterbation that is acceptable. These guys are all here......in camp.....fighting for those spots. So unless something else happens it will be decided among them. I'll leave the trade-r-ator to you guys.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:51 pm EST

For the record to be clear, I have no behind the scene information. The closest I come to having info is my friend who lives in Palm Desert who works at the golf resort and spa that Sather lives at. Very insightful stuff indeed. I also have a good friend who became an attorney hired by the SJ Sharks who now works for the Seattle Mariners. And being that she has worked an nhl office she is quick to point out that anyone who has actual information about anything would get to meet her. In the court room. Because every single person in the office signs non disclosure agreements. But she did say that very often GMs, scouts etc... do visit the office and go out for lunches, dinners etc... with each other. It’s a good old boys club. Way friendlier than fans would want to believe it is.

E


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:49 pm EST

TDCHI - I don't consider GRABNER a dumpster Dive..That was a player they distinctly targetted for their team and game at the onset of FA.....Very, very smart move..One I was totally against..But not a dumpster dive to me........Stalberg ? maybe and he did work out ell...I was more thinking along the lines of Gerbel . Jooris, Pirri, Diaz, Clendenning, Loombardi, Stool.

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:49 pm EST

VIC: let the rest of the pack bet on the 13 horses in the race :->)

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:49 pm EST

TD: Wow, I was typing my response to PAL while you were typing yours. Amazingly similar. One of us should be really worried....;-)

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:42 pm EST

And yes, that was a joke.....

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:42 pm EST

And if both of those guys are in the lineup there is a less then 5% chance that SAM will get their names right. I will always have a soft spot for SAM. He has been great for decades. But he not only lost his fastball, he lost all of his other pitches as well. Good thing they have MICHELETTI there to carry the broadcast.............

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:39 pm EST

For those who are confused, DIJON is DESHARNAIS not DESJARDINS.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:36 pm EST

PAL: One possible issue is BUCH. If he doesn't have a good camp and preseason it is possible the Rangers send him to Hartford to start the year. But assuming he is in the Top 9 and that FAST is out for the first month that leave DIJON as the 4th line Center. The Rangers will probably keep at least 1 extra forward (and 1 extra D) so that leaves probably 3 spots open. If MILLER is playing Center (and I hope he is) that means ANDERSSON should be in Hartford. It does no good to have him here riding pine or playing 4th line minutes. He should be playing a more meaningful role in Hartford. DON CHEADLE should also be playing in Hartford or somewhere he can get big minutes in a meaningful role. Everyone has their favorites for those last 3 spots (except HOSPO who hates everyone...;-) ) For me LETTIERI made a strong first impression on Monday and was good at the TCT. I think FONTAINE played well at the TCT and in his first preseason game. PIMPLE will get his chance tonight. GROPP and TAMBELINI are long shots at best. CAREY and SCHNEIDER are both journeymen AHL guys but both were noticeable on Monday (CAREY was a little better IMHO). BOO has a chance but he needs to show a lot more then he did on Monday. I think FARNHAM goes to Hartford unless AV wants to keep him around as the 13th forward.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:32 pm EST

My take on BEREGLAZOV: He didn't have a very good TCT...and while I think he'll get in an exhibition game, I'm pretty sure he's not making the team...not unless they decide PIONK is better getting top-line minutes in Hartford and Bereglazov is likely to split for Russia if they send him down. Those two beliefs become reality, I could see him landing the seventh/eighth defender spot.

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:29 pm EST

re: PUEMPEL - The guy has skills. He showed flashes last year and was good enough the Rangers didn't put him on waivers. I actually like his skill set a lot and have been pleasantly surprised with how he's performed. Were I to pick out a guy to fill in for FAST, it'll be him.

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:27 pm EST

Hospo - How so? Gorton brought us both GRABNER and STALBERG. I'd say those are two magnificent finds.

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:25 pm EST

Pal17 - Well, technically, it's TWO forwards the Rangers will take into the season, presuming that 1. Jesper FAST isn't ready to go; 2. That PUEMPEL isn't put on waivers...and I don't believe he will be..more on that in a minute; and 3. That they keep 13 forwards...I think ANDERSSON and CHYTIL will both get long looks and were I to read the tea leaves, I think the Rangers are going to try to keep the former here...the latter I would wager is headed back to the Czech leagues...My picks from within the system are NIEVES, first and foremost...Think he has most of what the Rangers want in a fourth-line forward...DESJARDINS didn't really make much of a case for staying in his first game...but he's another guy who is very versatile...I do think FARNHAM is another who will get a long look...out of all the guys in camp, he has the most of what the Rangers are lacking...and he's a guy they can sit on the bench and swap out of the lineup when they need more scoring on fourth...My two darkhorses are Paul CAREY and...I hesitate to say this before tonight...Adam TAMBELLINI...Carey fit really well on Monday...played center...played wing...was fast, set up a few nice scoring chances. Not really sure why he's been an AHLer all his career, but he certainly seems to have the goods for a 13th forward...Tambellini...Well, the guy has a very nasty habit of being invisible, which is one of the reasons you don't hear much about him...but...if we're talking about skills that not many roster players have...well, his release is world class. The other reason I mention him is because he was groomed all year long at center...and frankly, I'm not sure what else he's going to do in Hartford...He's a dark horse for sure...but I wouldn't count him out.

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:24 pm EST

PAL17 - And this guy FARNHAM has played like 60 NHL games in 5 years and all of sudden he's gonna make the Rangers? That would not be a good sign for our 4th line.. At least Desjardin played 50 games LAST YEAR, although with one point....The Dog name Boo and The Pimple have youth on their side at least

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:24 pm EST

CM: Sorry, the pool is closed. I had to close it before the first practices otherwise the info that comes in from practice and preseason can make it unfair and can ruin some questions. We only have 13 people in it this year (down from 26 last year) so I'm not sure if the interest is waning, folks didn't like the longer list of questions, or there wasn't enough time to get answers in. Maybe a little of all 3. I'll run with what we have this year and maybe try again next year. If there is no interest then I'll drop it.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:19 pm EST

PAL17 - I think all four suck, but let their play decide who is the least of all evils..Gorton is a horrible dumpster diver..But maybe there will be a player or two available from the waiver wire

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:18 pm EST

BONGO: That is excellent! Always nice to know folks who have some inside info. And, I should have added a "Thanks" for posting what you posted about BOYLE. I do appreciate it.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:14 pm EST

BONGO - It's funny, because when the BOYLE announcement came around and all my buddies started texting me about it, I was like 'WTF?! That's old news man...' Couldn't remember where I read it though...Good tip ;)

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:05 pm EST

I'm curious for opinions on the wall re: the 13 fwd. is it PIMPLES or does a young guy like BOO have a shot. Also what about DESJARDINS or FARNHAM ?

Pal17


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:00 pm EST

BONGO: Who wants to make a splash? Gorton? Or are you referring to another team?

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 2:27 pm EST

Languishing in Florida, recovering from Irma. Anyone have a link or site to stream tonight's game? TIA

DCIGolfer


Wed Sep 20 2017 2:23 pm EST

Doesn't make hockey decisions but hears stuff.

BONGO


Wed Sep 20 2017 2:21 pm EST

The Ottawa Senators, Montreal Canadiens, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Los Angeles Kings, Nashville Predators and Columbus Blue Jackets are all believed to have reached out over the past few days, according to Dreger. Duchene was asked on Monday if he would stay with the Avalanche if the team did not trade him before the start of the season and he was non-committal in his answer.

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 2:19 pm EST

I'm not one of those rumor dudes. I know JM (let's leave it at that) in the Ranger MGT team.

BONGO


Wed Sep 20 2017 2:17 pm EST

All I got (what every team is trying to do) is package players for a stud. So far no takers but he wants to make a splash. I would like to stay the course. But time will tell.

BONGO


Wed Sep 20 2017 1:45 pm EST

NYStranger: Amen Brother, BONGO: Amen to you too, Leos: you didn't think you were going unacknowledged for that, "Tanner Glass Un-Yun" quote, did ya?

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 1:19 pm EST

Mf I brought this up a week or so ago. If they are not going to punish teams harshly what is the point of staying under the cap? It will be the same as a luxury tax which is the system I want them to adopt in the next cba.

NYStranger


Wed Sep 20 2017 1:17 pm EST

Hey, I lost the link to the poll questions. Is it still active?

ColoradoMark


Wed Sep 20 2017 12:23 pm EST

Chart listing the penalties handed down by the league for going over the cap 2016/2017 (last) season... So its basically $1 dollar in penalty for every Dollar over the Cap limit.... Not enough teeth in this penalty.. Subtracting a dollar from the following seasons cap limit in addition to the monetary fine might be a good start....... https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-fines-10-teams-for-salary-cap-violations

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 12:19 pm EST

Ranger47: Pretty harsh there dude!

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:52 am EST

Sometimes preseason is like a PEDRIE Dish

mf


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:47 am EST

I would also like to confess to having a Sam Rosen moment when the 3 on 3 began Monday night. And...whoops, I forgot you can't take a timeout after icings this year so I probably way overshot that guess on this year's survey...if he's lucky AV might be able to fill three whole Bingo sheets with his saved TO's :)

LeoS


Wed Sep 20 2017 11:13 am EST

I see the D-pairs tonight are Skjei-Shatt; Staal-Gilmour and PEDRIE????-Smith.....What's the deal with the Russian kid that was supposd to have a chance? Injury?? See if anybody plays as well as KAMPFER..

Hospo


Wed Sep 20 2017 10:44 am EST

CML is way different then Hi Cholesterol and I write this while I'm hooked up to iv Rituxin! Everything has to go perfectly for BB to be able to play in the NHL. That being said there is a really good chance that his treatment will go smoothly. Yes, Jason Blake played through it but everyone is different.

Pal17


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:42 am EST

mf: IMHO, that Tito is a blue chipper with a big future ahead of him. The rest - especially that "Michael" look like career AHLers! :)

Ranger47


Wed Sep 20 2017 8:01 am EST

TD: In case you're interested, the biggest concern in Leaf camp isn't their D but their goaltending. Andersen proved last year he's a legitimate number 1 goalie (and one could argue he'd proven that prior to coming to TO) so no worries there. However, there's precious little after him. Their backup is just that - a backup and he's incapable of pulling off a Talbot or Raanta stint (playing a bunch of games due to the number 1 goalie being hurt). There's literally nothing on the farm. If Andersen gets hurt the Leafs PO chances will be severely compromised. I think that's why they pursued Condon so diligently. I suspect that concern is causing Leafs management some restless nights. Bozak and/or JVR may get moved for a viable back-up goalie at some point.

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:56 am EST

BONGO: Sort of what Vic said. I saw your post and did a quick scan of the internet but saw nothing verifying it so rather than jump all over it, I elected to wait, figuring if it was true it would come out soon enough. How did you know ahead of time anyways? Now if you had those sources when it comes to what Gorton's next few moves are that I most definitely want to see posted!!! ;^)

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:54 am EST

TD: True enough about the defense for the Leafs and cannot argue about the weak team the Sens iced. But 2 things: The Leafs were out-shooting the Sens 42 to 24 part way thru the 3rd - both Sens goalies were excellent, especially Condon. Condon, BTW, was pursued hard by the Leafs but elected to sign a 3 year term at over $2,000,000 per with the Sens. I am guessing for 2 reasons (because why wouldn't one want to be part of what the Leafs are doing): More money given the cap strapped state of the Leafs and a far better shot at getting the number 1 goalie duties. Anderson is entrenched as the Leafs number 1 while the Sens number 1 is arguably up for grabs. The other thing about the Leafs last night is no number 1 line (Matthews/Hyman/Nylander) not to mention some scrubs as their 4th line. The Bozak/Marner/JVR line dominated almost every time they were on the ice and that line isn't as good as the Matthews one. In addition, for the Leafs half of their defense last night will be in the AHL in 2 weeks or so.

rf4l


Wed Sep 20 2017 7:43 am EST

BONGO: What were you expecting from The Wall? Personally, I'm not a doctor, I never played one on TV and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn. I don't comment on medical issues in general because I have no idea what I'm talking about. But beyond that I didn't comment for two reasons. First, i had no corroborating info from the media. I got that yesterday in the car which leads to my second reason. What I heard on NHL radio yesterday was this: POTENTIALLY SERRIOUS : CAUGHT REALLY EARLY : NON LIFE THREATENING : EXPECTED TO BE COMPLETELY CURED BY DRUGS : WON'T MISS A SINGLE GAME DUE TO THIS. So, I didn't feel the need to rush here to post what I was thinking which was......"Sucks that he or anyone else has to deal with this but glad he is going to be fine." As for BOYLE as a Ranger..... I liked him. Most people here did. I wished he would have resigned with the Rangers but he wanted to move on to greener pastures. He is now on his 3rd team since the Rangers. I think about him about as much as I think about POULIOT.

Vic


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:51 am EST

RF4L - I was thinking that too at first. Then I saw the scrubs the Sens dressed in that game against eight, maybe nine or 10 Leafs' regulars. The Sens might...and I stress MIGHT have played five regulars. There were guys skating I didn't know were still in the NHL...My other thought...when it was 2-2 and right before my stream went dead midway through the third, was that, while the Leafs will be a threat to score at any given moment of the game, their defense is going to be...well...a real adventure. Lo and behold, they lost 5-2. The Leafs will be fun to watch for sure. But they're a team that unless Babcock can turn the proverbial water into wine with the defense, they're going to need to score six or seven goals each game...and poor Frederick ANDERSEN gonna be shell shocked by the end of the season...

tdchi


Wed Sep 20 2017 6:50 am EST

what did boyle say about the garden? fwiw, CML is VERY manageable. some excellent brands out there with VERY strong survival data (glivec, tasigna). this is an area that i work in so im quite familiar with the brands. he will be just fine. its no different than having high cholesterol (amazing that comparison can even be made).

bLUEbLOOD


Wed Sep 20 2017 5:13 am EST

Waiting to see this kid. He's possibly better than Anderson ....http://nypost.com/2017/09/20/rangers-rookie-looking-to-clear-language-hurdle/

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 4:54 am EST

On a personal level, I wish Boyle a speedy recovery. On a hockey level, I will boo him for his msg comment... buttman and the cba has turned many hockey players into mercenaries..... curt flood understood it... most fans want a home team to stay with most of the players not leaving until it's time ... it should only be for improvement not the cap bs.... they need to find a better solution.... I'd rather see a luxury tax than this forced parity....but not have the payroll be unlimited....if the cap is $70 mil then maybe up to 10% over should be legal and those teams pay the NHL a tax of $7 mil even if only over by $1 .. it would help keep the league financially healthy especially with these teams that are located in the wrong cities....

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 3:27 am EST

Bongo good job, bad news travels fast. Have any good news ? When is veenyo being shown the door?

Stevielegs


Wed Sep 20 2017 1:17 am EST

Well got a pretty good source for info. Gave you the Boyle news on Sunday 2 days before the media. No response so I guess you guys don't care about BB or info. Bongo Out.

BONGO


Tue Sep 19 2017 9:30 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/there-were-49-slashing-penalties-called-last-night-and-that-s-a-good-thing ....... Slashing,Slashing,Slashing, she's a Slashing Machine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq6HjnwtfaI

mf


Tue Sep 19 2017 8:55 pm EST

OMG the offensive talent the Leafs have assembled is ridiculous, especially on their forward lines.

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 8:30 pm EST

OK, for anyone here who might shiv a git, teams must be under the cap ceiling the very next day after preseason ends: (PG 281 of 540 or PG 261 at the bottom of the page) (Article 50. something) ""Nevertheless, in order to ensure that Clubs may have sufficient time and flexibility to plan their rosters during the off-season, the Upper Limit shall be temporarily raised by ten (10) percent to permit Clubs additional flexibility with their Averaged Club Salaries during the period FROM July 1 UNTIL AND INCLUDING THE LAST DAY OF TRAINING CAMP. ***On the day following the last day of Training Camp, the Upper Limit shall again be lowered to the level as calculated in Section 50.5(b), and all Clubs must once again be in compliance with the Upper Limit FROM THE DAY FOLLOWING THE LAST DAY OF TRAINING CAMP until and including June 30.*** ..... Now, whats the fine for non-compliance? A wink and a nod if Buttman wants your franchise to succeed, siberia if your the Rangers?

mf


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:55 pm EST

BTW, strong rumours tonight that the Sens are chasing Duchense hard due in part to losing Colin White for 2 months with a broken hand after blocking a shot last night. The Sens have a bevy of young talent that should entice Joe Scaredic.

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:51 pm EST

Idiotic league calling so much slashing. Rightfully so AFAIC. But you know what's gonna happen (and I think you said it earlier E): They'll call it for like 3 months and it'll be effective and remove a lot of the needless slashing. Then inexplicably, it'll creep back in. Just a horribly run league.

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:48 pm EST

Kerby Rechal doing his best to get cut from the Leafs. 2 penalties in a row in the first period. Dumb.

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:39 pm EST

It's not always a walk in the park CLL is treatable as long as you respond and aren't allergic to meds. I've got hairy cell Leukemia since 1981.. I played hockey until 2006 when I got Osteosarcoma probably from the Leukemia drugs I took in the early 80's I hope BB is welland responds quickly.

Pal17


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:05 pm EST

BB apparently has treatable cancer - oral medication and he expects to be in the NJ lineup opening night. It's CML, which is a bone marrow cancer. Jason Blake was diagnosed with it many years ago and played 400+ more games after that before retiring. So there's hope...

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 6:03 pm EST

So sad to hear about Boyler. A guy I have always liked.

Bob


Tue Sep 19 2017 5:35 pm EST

Must be contagious on internet, I'm feeling a cold too. .... mind control space helmets on

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 5:10 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 3h3 hours ago More Zibanejad has bad cold. That is why he is not playing tmw night after not playing v NYI. Should be good for either Fri or Sat.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 5:05 pm EST

Think I posted about this awhile back, regarding the NANNE-LETTIERI connection...but Nanne, believe it or not, is still Ranger-property...though he hasn't skated as much as a game in the NCAA. He was originally slated to skate at Ohio State, but contracted myocarditis, a viral infection that seriously compromises the heart, leads to weakness, decreased athletic performance and even death...it's actually what was named as the cause of death for CHEREPANOV(he was said to have chronic myocarditis that was not diagnosed by team doctors)...he was off the ice for 15 months recovering...needless to say, Ohio State wasn't exactly itching to get him back in action. I'm imagining that's why he transferred to UMinnesota in summer 2016...Given his name and family connections, they are probably taking a chance on him...But per NCAA rules, you can't transfer to another college without sitting out a season...so he lost one year to disease and another to a regulation that should have never pertained to a player like him...he's 21 now and I'd say his future is...well...very questionable...butfrom what I understand, he was/is a heck of a player. Offensive-minded defenseman. Slick puck mover. He's on the Gopher's roster and I suspect that means he'll play this season...another tidbit on Nanne(and Lettieri for that matter)...he played in the Da Beauty league over the summer...this league, incidentally is bad-ass...he was on a squad with bunch of Gophers and Gopher alumnus(Adam Wilcox, Tommy Novak, Scott Bjugstad...and Ranger alumni Mr. Stu Bickel)...Had seven points in six games, which wasn't too shabby...and to bring this six-degrees-of-separation post to a full circle, Lettieri also played in the league on Steve Fogarty's team...had 10 points in seven games.

tdchi


Tue Sep 19 2017 4:57 pm EST

Amanda Stein Amanda Stein @amandacstein #NJDevils re Brian Boyle. From team Dr. Michael Farber: Boyle diagnosed with CML. A type of cancer of the bone marrow. Largely treatable.Dr. Farber says it was caught early on. Treatable with medication.

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 4:56 pm EST

Some sad and sobering stuff about BRIAN BOYLE being diagnosed with cancer---https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-veteran-announces-that-he-has-been-diagnosed-with-cancer?ref=jo...the travails of players like D'Angelo, Pionk and the rest means so little..

Hospo


Tue Sep 19 2017 4:54 pm EST

Veenyo afraid ruff will run them and win while he's upstairs chewing gum and eating popcorn ?

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 3:58 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 2h Scratch that, only one of the last two games he'll observe from above Steve Zipay @stevezipay AV: Next round of cuts Saturday; he'll be behind bench for next three games then evaluate from upstairs for last two 4 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 2h Fellow Czech native Ondrej Pavelec will help coaches in explaining some tactics to Chytil before debut Wed, per AV 4 14 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 2h AV: Next round of cuts Saturday; he'll be behind bench for next three games then evaluate from upstairs for last two

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 3:56 pm EST

Gotta say I'm very disappointed RONNING is going back to juniors, but can't say it's not for the best. He will be on a dynamic line in Vancouver, and if anything, it'll bolster his confidnce...GETTINGER...not really much of a surprise, especially given how high his stock has risen just in a year. This was a guy who was a long shot to be signed when he was drafted. And now he may make Team USA...KOVACS...well, woulda been nice for him to get in a game...but...1. He's still very young; and 2. He stood zero chance of making the NHL roster. So it's better to get him where he's gonna be for the season, instead of taking time away from someone else who has a viable chance of making the jump. Really the only surprise for me is Ronning. The others are no-brainers.

tdchi


Tue Sep 19 2017 3:51 pm EST

http://m.ottawasun.com/2017/09/19/senators-aggressive-in-pursuit-of-avs-duchene-sources

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 3:19 pm EST

CM - Always liked him also..Hopefully he's improved his agility enough where he can be a 6th d-man for Detroit..

Hospo


Tue Sep 19 2017 2:43 pm EST

I didn't realize that Dylan McIlrathwon the Calder Cup with the Grand Rapids Griffins last year. There's a great video interview with him down a bit on his twitter page I stumbled across. It's too bad, since I really think he was the perfect 6th Defenseman, even though we have plenty of good candidates currently, a part of me is still disappointed that we didn't get to see more of him. https://twitter.com/dylan_mcilrath

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 19 2017 2:29 pm EST

Miko Koivu re-ups @ .815 cents on the dollar for 2 more years.... Rick Nash would have to Re-up @ .70 cents on the dollar or less for my liking...... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/wild-captain-koivu-takes-pay-cut-on-two-year-extension-to-stay-in-minnesota

mf


Tue Sep 19 2017 1:12 pm EST

MF- So we have two of Lou Nanne's grand kids in the system? Tyler Nanne is also one. He's still Rangers property but injured,

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 19 2017 12:51 pm EST

I don't know what will be re: slashing etc... but preseason is usually hard on the refs as well. They're trying to get their game together. Every year there are some pretty lousy calls or serious over reff'ing. We'll see how it all goes. Usually by the middle of Nov. all of their mandates have subsided and we are back to playing hockey.

E


Tue Sep 19 2017 12:44 pm EST

NYR d-pairs: Skjei-Shattenkirk; Pedrie-Smith; Staal-Gilmour In goal; Lundqvist/Georgiev Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay NYR lines at prax, expected to play vs. NJ on Wed: Kreider-Andersson-Gropp; Puempel-Hayes-Zuccarello; Catenacci-Desharnais-Desjardins: Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay Looks as if 1st rounder Filip Chytil will play tomorrow vs. Devs. He's centering Vesey and Tambellini.

stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 12:42 pm EST

So interesting that they sent Ronning and Gettinger back but not Day and Crawley. I'm assuming Day will get a preseason game on Wednesday and Crawley is being rewarded for a good TCT performance. I thin having 16 D around for the rest of camp is a bit counterproductive, so I'm thinking DAY, CRAWLEY, ZBOROVSKY, and PEDRIE are the next D cuts, leaving the real battle between PIONK, DEANGELO, BEREGLAZOV, GRAVES, KAMPFER and maybe GILMOUR (Wow has he dropped on the depth chart!)6 guys for 1-2 spots. On the forwards, I think you'll see some of these guys get a shot tomorrow but TAMBELLINI, STROMWELL, LEEDAHL, KOSMACHUK, CATENACCI and FOGARTY will be next along with a goalie. I would have said HALVERSON, but he looked pretty good last night. That will leave 21 forwards in camp (or 7 lines) with the battles between the kids (ANDERSSON, CHYTIL, LETTIERI, FONTAINE, GROPP) versus the AHL guys: (SCHNEIDER, CAREY, PUEMPEL, NIEVES) and the PTO's (DESJARDINS and FARNHAM). I'm not sure which guys are waiver fodder, but I think only the AHL guys besides NIEVES.

ColoradoMark


Tue Sep 19 2017 10:51 am EST

First cuts announced. Ronning and Gettinger back to their junior teams. Chapie and one of TD's boys Kovacs farmed out. What a disapppointment for Kovacs but given his meager numbers with the Pack last year and his unimpressive TCT showing zero surprise. Stromwell will likely follow suit shortly.

rf4l


Tue Sep 19 2017 7:25 am EST

This new business with the slashing calls...BRUTAL. Just ridiculous. More evidence that the NHL front office has absolutely ZERO clue on how to effectively implement policy. Look, if you want guys to stop hacking and chopping, just start dishing out mandatory suspensions whenever one of those hacks or chops ends in suspension...Like imagine how the Canadiens would have reacted a couple years back if PK SUBBAN ended up missing four playoff games for breaking STONE'S wrist...or if CROSBY missed four games for taking off METHOT'S pinky. Hell, if you really wanted to drive the point home, tie the games suspended with the games missed due to injury. The slashing would stop VERY quickly...this nickle-and-dime BS with calling minor penalties...that changes NOTHING in a player's mind. I'll bring my stick down on someone's hand if it's gonna stop a goal and all I face is two in the sin bin. Big deal...and maybe the refs are doing this JUST in pre-season...that the regular season won't be called as tight...either way, the flow of the game last night was ABSOLUTELY AWFUL...and the shit they were calling was just that: Shit. Those calls were about as phantom as they come...there were points in the game...one comes to mind from the second...where NEITHER team had a clue what was being called. The Rangers actually thought they had a PP when they started carrying the puck up the ice...this is not how you grow the game. And this is not how you attract fans...by turning the fastest-paced professional sport into baseball.

tdchi


Tue Sep 19 2017 7:16 am EST

Re: Last night's game - Think it's silly to make generalizations based on one pre-season game, but there was plenty last night to be very happy about...first and foremost, that the ice was tilted in the Rangers' favor All. Night. Long. They were moving the puck better. They had more zone time. They dominated the shots. They had plenty of scoring opportunities. And that Isle's team, though missing a HUGE component(i.e. Jon TAVARES), wasn't too far off from what they're going to ice in the regular season...On the PP, though they came up blank, there was some real nice puck movement. In fact, there was good puck movement all game long...even absent many of the regulars...I counted nine guys who stand a good chance of being in New York after final cuts...I don't think I could pick out anyone who had a bad game...some guys were a little more nondescript...but no one stood out as ready for the cut list...the D moved the puck REAL nicely...there is no question that guys like DeANGELO and PIONK are going to help transform the back line...Some had mentioned that DeA is a little bit of an adventure in his zone...but guess what? The kid has wheels. So when he makes a mistake, it's never as egregious as when someone like GIRARDI got beat...Pionk is going to push Nick HOLDEN onto the trade wire...GRAVES played real solid. Looks NHL-ready...ANDERSSON made some nifty plays. My concern is and continues to be his offense. But he looked much better playing with pros than with prospects...NIEVES also looked good. The kid has size and wheels. I disagree with any notion that he needs to spend another year in Hartford. I don't know if he'll make the team out of camp, but I'd say he's got the ability to be the Rangers' fourth line center at bare minimum. Again, he's a guy who has the speed to compensate for any zone errors he makes...MILLER looked just as I imagined he would in the middle: Poised and comfortable. Looked more like the Rangers' number two center. Was absolutely DOMINANT in the faceoff circle...Not sure where this criticism of BUCHNEVICH is coming from either. Every time he's near the puck, it's like it's attracted to him. The guy has high-end talent. He may not be in the top six, but I can't imagine the set of circumstances that would drive him to Hartford...Gonna be the first to say: I liked FARNHAM. Thought he brought a nice edge to the Rangers. And it's clear he wants to make the team. The guy was buzzing around the net. He's a clear upgrade over someone like GLASS, IMO...Another AHL-bound guy who impressed me was Paul CAREY. Believe he was playing the middle...know he won a couple of crucial faceoffs...had several scoring chances...PAVELEC did will too, though the NELSON shot that likely would have counted during the season(I'm pretty sure the shot was already off when the whistle blew) are the goals that I remember seeing him let in at a startling pace...Started to get nervous when HALVERSIEVE came in, but he did a pretty nice job...especially since the Isles started to pressure in the second half...all around, a very nice start to the pre-season. Would have rather seen them tickle the twine a bit more, but I'll take a 1-zip win over the Isles any day. Any win against those pukes is a good one.

tdchi


Tue Sep 19 2017 7:08 am EST

HOSPO: Sorry about the "what game were you watching comment". That was really just directed at your comments on LETTIERI. Kid was fantastic last night. He reminded me of MZA when he was young. He was effective and noticeable in every situation they put him in last night. If he keeps playing like that through the preseason there is no way they send him down. He will be a lock for a roster spot. The only thing he did wrong last night was take a couple of stupid, unnecessary penalties. That can't continue as AV has no tolerance for guys who take stupid, unnecessary penalties. That's why I don't see how FARNHAM makes this team. They may stash him in Hartford like they did with GLASS. FARNHAM could be useful in the playoffs when the Refs stop calling penalties.

Vic


Tue Sep 19 2017 4:46 am EST

60% actual number was 62.3

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 4:45 am EST

Nice to see the nyr outshoot and win over 69% faceoffs, hope that carries over into the real preseason. The NHL new favorite penalty is called slashing, with a new loose definition. Wonder if they are going to hire Slash to do the national anthem and be their poster child for the anti slashing movement. .... maybe it's finally time for ahkneel to not be in charge of the pp...pathetic passing....

Stevielegs


Tue Sep 19 2017 2:38 am EST

I thought if there was two things to take away from that game it is that Andersson is was as advertised. Had some wee moments but he plays a lot like a Corey Perry. I didn't realize how annoying a player he could be. and if he doesn't belong someone should tell him because he sure as hell thinks he does. I really am starting to like that kid. I think he is going to be a solid center. Its a matter of one. And Pionk. That guy can play. I saw a lot to like in him. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he is on the opening night roster. We'll see how it all unfolds. But no one else in the "trying to make it club" really impressed me thus far. DeAngelo seemed lost in his own zone. Should be fun watching this pre season.

E


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:04 pm EST

Boy the natives are ready to chomp at the bit, been a long off-season this year, "two rounds and out" will do that.... BUCH will be on the opening night roster just because, and I hope this kid makes it as advertised here on the Wall...

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:42 pm EST

VIC - Really with the "what game were you watching" comment? So I disagree with you..BFD... No expectations....It's what I saw and my thoughts relative to them possibly starting the season with the Rangers...

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:33 pm EST

VIC - For others being "too much" you sure said alot! Hey, it's preseason for Wallbangers as well as the Rangers...Glad to see we're still disagreeing on stuff (but not everything!)..

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:33 pm EST

HOSPO: Wow, what game were you watching? Your expectations are way off the charts.

Vic


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:28 pm EST

Wow, you guys are too much. Lighten up a little. It is the first preseason game. These guys had maybe 2 practices together so far. Besides the obvious issue with the fact that there were so many penalties and so little flow to the game I didn't see a whole lot not to like. Best Ranger forward (when he wasn't in the penalty box) was LETTIERI. By far. That kid is quick as lightning, plays a high energy game, is feisty, has really good hockey sense and good hands. I wish he was a little bigger but so far I'd take him over PIMPLE on that 4th line. MILLER was the best veteran forward. I thought he had a good game and looked comfortable at Center. On D I thought KAMPFER was really good. I was surprised but then again this is preseason. I really liked PIONK's game. I thought DeANGELO had some really good moments as well and I thought GRAVES played a solid all around game where he showed he could skate and move the puck. Other notables.....ANDERSSON looked a lot better then he looked in the TCT. I just don't see a scenario where he stays with the Rangers this year. He really needs to be playing in Hartford (if possible). FONTAINE had some good shifts, especially early in the game. Need to see more out of BOO. All in all....it was good to be watching Hockey again.

Vic


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:22 pm EST

MF - BUCH should be..but really hasn't earned it yet IMWO..Tonight wasn't a good start either.but i'm sure he's a given for opening night....As for Litterei, just taking up space..AHL player .like Carey and schneider

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 10:15 pm EST

Tonights forwards of Miller, Grabner, Nash, and Buchnevich will be on opening night lineup..... The other 8 were Farnham, Nieves, Dejardins, Carey, Schneider, Andersson, Fontaine, Lettieri...... IMO Farnham is just not worth a roster spot, he's gone, Nieves I have no opinion, Dejardins meh, CAREY I'd like to see play again, Schneider (anyone have a comment?) Andersson, great for an 18 y/o but with our depth s/b in Hartford or Sweden wherever, Fontaine anyone here have a comment? otherwise, didn't stand out much, LETTIERI: I like what this kid showed and want to see him in game 2........

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:49 pm EST

HOSPO_ Spot on Assesment.... The old adage "you are only as strong as the weakest link in the chain" proves true relative to the NYRs center position... its a scary proposition since Zbad is more like a #2/3 and Hayes a #3/4/AHL-1 then I am worried too!!!

schneidw


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:41 pm EST

WILD - All true..Just one game--the first game..and it was a choppy game at that..

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:38 pm EST

Holden did seem to be off...I am hoping that its just because its game 1, and a lot of vets don't put full effort into their entire game, we shall see as camp moves along, but it is a big concern after game 1 in my book.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:35 pm EST

WILD - I'm no Kampfer fan..kinda didn't want the Rangers to keep him...But I just liked the way he played tonight---physical and both ways..But you know with all these young kids for competition, he was playing his ass off...OTOH, Holden (who I liked alot last year) just seemed to be all over the place (in a bad way)

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:30 pm EST

Hospo: ON the 7th spot, I agree with that as well...I kind of had him penciled in there, he did well enough last season to make me trust him some, and he didn't do anything to scare me tonight, he is the perfect guy to have as a 7th defender. Allows for the kids to get the ice time they need to improve and gives the Rangers a safety net for a game here and there when they need a fill in. If a longer term injury happens a kid can get a shot a a few games and Kampfer can still be number 7.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:28 pm EST

Agree on Nieves, he needs to have a good season in the AHL, he needs a good season under his belt for a lot of reasons. A call up mid season to fill in on the 4th line would probably be good for him at some point if he shows well to start in the AHL. As for the other guy in for a tryout (of course I thought he was signed for 1 mil..but I am not sure now) he did nothing, absolutely nothing, if he didn't play it wouldn't have changed anything...I could have been just as good out there for crying out loud. I think it leaves the 4th line spot open, and maybe its a kid, but hopefully they will just go grab some vet off the waiver wire, or the UFA heap of lesser players still looking for work. Cant be any worse.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:27 pm EST

WILD - Not gonna rewatch, you can..I didn't like his game...you did..all is good...we'll see as camp goes along...

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:25 pm EST

Again, I think KAMPFER was the BEST Ranger D-man and should earn alot of consideration for the extra D-man...becasue it make little sense for Pionk or D'angelo or Graves to be a 7th

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:25 pm EST

I didn't expect to see Farnham and Bailey at the Garden again.

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:24 pm EST

Hospo: If you can rewatch that game, he was not bad positionally most of the night and was able to keep plays from developing a few times. Again its early, but I think he was better than you are giving him credit. The other young D were not confident in most cases away from the puck, here and there they wee, but I saw a lot of hesitation at times, and I think thats what really holds them back in my mind. Some time in the AHL will help them out a lot, of course same can be said of DeAngelo, I think that he is closest to putting it all together, and made enough good plays for me to see that ability at both ends, but I think he should start in the AHL, hopefully this camp, a new system, and new coaches will help him find the best game he will have. I don't however think he will ever be great away from the puck, but thats not his game, he will probably top put at a 3rd pair defender who is really good on the PP...and thats quite alright IMHO, there is nothing wrong with a PP guy who doesn't have top 4 ability.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:20 pm EST

WILD - But I do agree with you on GRAVES, at least from tonight! NIEVES just does nothing for me...but even if he did..I think he needs to excell In Hartford for awhile before he can play in NY...OTOH,the competion for the Rangers 4th line--Desjardin, Farnham--isn't great until FAST comes back...I think the Rangers will be looking to add a depth player/waiver wire player..Desjardins had nothing

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:17 pm EST

WILD - On D'angelo, Really?..I think of all the young D-men, his decision making/mental game and positioning was the worst, and this was a kid that was In the NHL last year..I think he needs alot of work defensively..And he needs to get a bit stronger..A stiff breeze can knock him over

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:12 pm EST

HOSPO: One thing in the good column for DeAngelo is that he is hard on his stick defensively. Yeah he had some errors, but he is young, its expected. He did also have a couple times when he ignored the lose puck and took the players stick, tied up that stick and allowed for the Goalie to cover the puck...thats a good sign in my book....not to say to give him big minutes right off the bat, but I think of all the young D with offensive skill that played, he is the closest. Graves I think is the most ready looking of all the young D, but that makes sense seeing as he has more pro games behind him. Neives was a bit rough tonight, but to me I kind of expected he would start out slow, I am hopeful he will pick up quickly, but he missed a stretch last year, and battled injuries, that aways slows development. He had some good shifts, but more shifts that he did nothing at all, he didn't look "bad" often, but he didn't do enough to stand out for the most part. There are signs that he can be a solid player, smart, few mistakes that are big, but still needs time, and hopefully this year he can have a good full season with no injuries, and he and Anderson can split time on the PP and 5v5 to push each other to be better and fight for ice time.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:05 pm EST

Yes Graves can shoot the puck and seems to be able to get it through to the net....What concerns me about Buch is for a guy who is supposed to be a high skill player he doesn't seem to be able to generate any offense with these skills. The times he has the puck (which is not very often) he is very pedestrian. Doesn't stick handle to find a shooting lane, etc. He also doesn't seem to have that sniper's knack of finding the seams, getting a second of prime open ice to receive a quick pass, to snap off a good shot. Would love to see him succeed but...Just saying...

NYStranger


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:00 pm EST

Spaghetti Head: http://nypost.com/2017/09/18/rangers-new-trump-loving-bad-boy-wants-a-fresh-start/

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:59 pm EST

Really impressed by Pionk's poise and decision making. DeAngelo was a bit scary out there at times. I like Andersson a lot, but agree that he needs to play big minutes at a lower level. I liked Lettieri's game a lot. He's got some skill. Fontaine was quiet, but I liked what he had to offer in Traverse City. Liked Graves a lot. Watching some of these young defenseman, I'm wondering now if Staal actually IS on the hot seat. It looks very likely that Miller ends up as the third center. Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello, Nash-Hayes-Vesey, Buchnevich-Miller-Grabner, Puempel-Desharnais-Fast, McDonagh-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Smith, Staal/Graves-Pionk/DeAngelo, Lundqvist-Pavelec.

evets1980


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:58 pm EST

As for the D...PIONK'S goal means jack shit to me..I don't really look at open ice crap and PPs..I think all of Pionk, D'angelo, and Graves showed some good things and bad things...typical young D-man..Just like last year's preseason when Gilmour, Bodie and clendenning were so good in open ice...Pionk and D'angelo are good when they have space and time...Defensively and undr pressure is another story..Both got obliterated and made some unforced errors, and I don't hink are ready defssively for the NHL..But...POINK did make a few good plays defsively also.....As for Graves, not as agile as those two, but he can skate, has a hell of a shot and plays a pretty good straigh forward game,..but might need a little morte times also.....OTOH.HOLDEN looked a bit out of control...So who knows.....Which leads me to... ....KAMPFER...Without a doubet he was the best two-way D-man on the Rangers tonight..seems to me the perfect guys for 7th and splinters

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:53 pm EST

NYStranfer: Graves also looked to shoot and get the puck on net

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:51 pm EST

Yes Graves looked good overall tonight. Truth is this is the first full game I think I have seen him play. Looks like he can make that solid first pass as advertised. Seems to use his reach and positioning to make smart subtle plays like Staal was know for when he first came up. Like what I see.

NYStranger


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:50 pm EST

CMark: re BUCHNEVICH: that's one concerning remark by Sam Rosen, especially if it turns out that BUCH doesn't make the grade

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:50 pm EST

Going into tonight's game I was mostly interested in watching Pionk and D'Angelo - both of Home played pretty well . Buch has me concerned-he still looks like a string being out there and not effective. Graves was pretty good, as was Kampfer. The 6 and 7th D spots could go to Pionk and De Angelo, looking like Holden is a goner

PUCKYOU


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:49 pm EST

What a crappy game to watch and to play for the players to try and make the team....For the ones that matter..I really Like ANDERSSON's game..he can do a little bit of everything..BUT he's an 18 year old kid that should be learning to really push his offensive game (And to be a top liner) rather than help the Rangers as another Swedish Army Knife..Love to see him on Hartford's top line....Until that last shift in OT, I thought NIEVES was about the most insignificant forward on the ice..and lazy at times..Well, him and DESJARDIN..FONTAIN? No impression....FARNHAM? I don't know...seems like a PUNK..If he's willing to back up his crap with his fists, I might like him..Otherwise, I hope he gets his head knocked off.....BUCH???Meh...

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:43 pm EST

rf4l: On the Graves hit, agree the D needs some hitting, but the thing I like is that Graves doesn't chase hits, McIlrath (and I really like the kid and think he will still end up a regular NHLer) had a big problems with chasing big hits...sure they were thundering, and sure they got guys thinking about him a little, but he took himself out of the play so much that he was useless post hit. Its something that he needed to work on, and while he improved in other areas he still did that too often, even at the AHL level. Graves has never been "that guy" hitting wise, he is smart with when he goes for a hit, when he pinches in, when he joins the rush, all of that. He seems to take the responsibility of being in proper position very seriously, AV likes that, and I think thats why Graves will be a early call up when they need a D. I mean as long as he keeps playing like he did tonight that is...it was one pre-season game, he needs to carry that good play forward every day.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:43 pm EST

FARNHAM is in my 1st round of cuts

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:43 pm EST

Just became a Pionk fan!'

melvillefred


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:41 pm EST

Pt farnum has fire ....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:41 pm EST

Rf: notice how Bailey trying to hit him back on the other side of the ice. He just bounced off.

NYStranger


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:40 pm EST

Boo gets an ass- ist

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:39 pm EST

rf4l: For a few seconds I was like WTF? because of the 3 on 3... I don't know why I forgot...LOL

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:39 pm EST

That was a nice goal! The ole spinerama! And it was the youngins!

Shaggy


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:39 pm EST

What a goal by Brian Leetch, uhm...Neal Pionk?

NYStranger


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:38 pm EST

WOW! Sweet move by Pionk!

JFC31


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:38 pm EST

Yowza....Poink for the Norris!!!

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:38 pm EST

Pee oink

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:37 pm EST

lol...5 minute OT starts 3 on 3 (as they did all last year) and Nosen doesn't know what's going on. Too freakin pre-occupied talking about nothing.

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:34 pm EST

Love the hit on Bailey from Graves. Exactly what this defense is lacking.

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:20 pm EST

mf: I meant that they should penalize slashing the same way as they do a high stick, its a 2 unless there is an injury that makes it a 4, and if there is intent its a 5 and a game.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:19 pm EST

rangerlou: how are you feeling / healing ?

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:19 pm EST

Sam thinks Buch is going to have a tough time making the team?

ColoradoMark


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:19 pm EST

Wild: a high stick? I was thinking Slash......

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:17 pm EST

This kid Di Angelo looks like he has a good shot to make the Rangers

rangerlou


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:16 pm EST

rf4l: I would argue that its pre-season, no one wants to get hurt in a childish stupid tussle to prove they are tougher....

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:15 pm EST

mf: I would say treat it like a high stick. No injury its 2 min, injury its automatically a double, and intent to injure equals a 5 and a game....seems the most fair way to handle it.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:14 pm EST

mf: I feel the same way. The logjam MIGHT be good for him though, to continue working with confidence, get a callus or two this season for injuries, his development if it holds through camp could make the Rangers feel better about trading Holden. DeAngelo also looks decent, better than I thought he would, especially with the puck and if he can keep it up they can move a D..Holden I am sure would be the guy to go first. But Graves looks worlds better than he did last season in what little I saw early on...and thats what you hope to see.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:14 pm EST

RF: Let him defend himself and crosscheck the guy in the grill, let the league know

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:13 pm EST

Stevie: Florida Power & Light (FPL) is working on the Power. Should be restored sometime this season

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:13 pm EST

Gawd it bugs me when a guy like Nash is getting headlocked in an exhibition game because he was in front of the net on a point shot and no one does a thing to intervene. Yeah I know all why I'm being unreasonable with that expectation and I realize I should know by now not to expect anything different on the ice. Shame on me I guess...

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:12 pm EST

Wild: OK, so start with a 2 minute minor unless deemed intent to injure

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:11 pm EST

Anderson has a really nice shot...NHL caliber for sure. If he can put it all together at the NHL level he will be a good player for the Rangers.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:11 pm EST

0-8

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:11 pm EST

WildCard: I'm ready for Graves to supplant Holden & Staal, it may take one more season OR trading Holden and then an injury to one of our LHS D'men to see Graves on the big club this year but he looks good / close.....

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:07 pm EST

wait he was on the break with Grabner, so he was out there again...I think...

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:06 pm EST

Stevie: As far as I know just 2 for unsportsmanlike....did he leave the ice or something?

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:04 pm EST

Deangelo get game misconduct ?

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:02 pm EST

mf: double minor for a non injury incident? thats just going too far in game, sometimes a stick will catch the hands accidentally, you don't want to punish a guy like that for something so minor...

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:01 pm EST

OK, two things...GRAVES is big thats first, he looked huge that last rush, second on the same guy, for being so big, he sure skates well....if he can translate that to the NHL regular season (once he gets that shot) he should be a decent player...

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:59 pm EST

Wild: I thought that I said 1) 4 minute penalty 2) if it results in a bust finger or bone include a game misconduct and a $25,000 fine 3) Second offense repeat steps 1 & 2 and double the fine to $50,000 4) 3rd or more offense: 4 minute penalty, game misconduct if results in busted bone $100,000 fine and suspension. You give Crosby a 2-3 game suspension that's a considerable amount of money

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:58 pm EST

0-7

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:57 pm EST

NYStranger": When there was a bit of time to get some rhythm going Buch looked fine. Made quite a few good plays in the first, had a couple in the second. He is rated so high because he has such a high level of skill....if you can't see that, I don't know. But I think with less penalties he would stand out more, he hasn't had all that much PP time for how much there has been on the PP, other guys are getting time, mostly younger guys who will likely be in Hartford or Junior it seems, but lets see what he can do in the 3rd if they can play a bit more 5 on 5. Thats where he shined last season as well, 5 on 5 more than special teams.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:52 pm EST

So explain to me why I should be excited by this upcoming season? Refs calling amateur hour isn't helping at all. This is the battle of the inept power plays....The sooner Ric Nash is gone the better IMO. Also Buchnevich's new name is the Invisible Man. What is his excuse? How is this guy so highly rated? I want to see more Graves for sure, so I guess he will spend the entire year 'Rath'ed' by AV. Who BTW should be looking over his shoulder big time.

NYStranger


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:52 pm EST

mf: SO what you suggest punishing them in a way that doesn't help the team during that game. I for one hate that, players need to pay for it at the time...if they can get away with only paying 25K (for a guy making 7+ mil PLUS endorsements thats nothing) they can go ahead and just take the punishment later. Rules don't allow for a first time offender to get suspended, and a slash to the hands isn't worth a suspension unless there is injury, and this stick to the hands thing to gain an advantage shouldn't be allowed even if there is no injury, and without injury how would yo enforce the rule other than calling it?

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:50 pm EST

JOSH HOSANG the JEWMAICANESE mutt on the ISLES certainly stands out... The kid carries & controls the puck on a string, RHS to boot

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:47 pm EST

Moof clusterfvk nailed p- oink ???? and he felt it.... these kids are getting a taste of the NHL, and they are realizing they're not really ready....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:45 pm EST

Jason, I saw him play at UMass with a friends son about 5 yrs ago. He was big on the ice and was definitely making a difference. I think you may be onto something!

BADBOY409


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:45 pm EST

Anything good to say about BUCHNEVICH after 2 ?

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:44 pm EST

Doug weight showing more fire in preseason on a disallowed goal then veenyo has shown since being here...

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:44 pm EST

Stevie: RHS D'man PIONK showed some good hustle, blocked 1 or 2, and broke up a couple, granted he's playing for a roster spot so he's motivated... but yes, we have some RHS D'men to watch & root for......

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:43 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 10m Fontaine wrister off Halak glove and dings crossbar....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:41 pm EST

Wild: They should fine the player that does this just like I suggested: Methot was bleeding and his finger was busted bad: 4 minute penalty for starters. If Crosby is a repeat offender to the point of suspension WITHOUT Pay, that's where the fine gets nice & juicy

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:40 pm EST

42 seconds in the 3rd and they witness 0-7 on the pp...my paisan . de angelo will probably make the team, have to have somebody from the stepan raanta hold up.... ...now the nyr have righty d men

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:36 pm EST

mf: I think that this stick thing will be adjusted to like hooking...the refs didn't stop calling it, players stopped doing it. Last year there were like 3 or 4 guys that got hurt by those little chops and driving the stick across the hands.This actually hurts their poster boy Crosby, he uses that two handed between the hands stick on gloves thing all the time, if he can't that hurts his ability to defend, kind of surprised they did that

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:31 pm EST

there been more stoppage of play in this game than in Basketball.... This stick to the hands shit could be the courtesy of Crosby chopping off Methot's finger. They should have penalized Crosby 4 minutes and a game misconduct and a $25,000 fine for 1st offense. they can double the fines moving forward, three strikes in a season gets you suspended a few games forfeit your salary, let the players police themselves to some degree

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:28 pm EST

Irving it's a stick anywhere besides the puck .,,, until the playoffs or sooner... they made the rule for skid mark

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:27 pm EST

mf: I read something about that hands to the stick thing, and it seems it comes from the NHLPA side of things. Players have learned how to make a seemingly small chop be nasty not he fingers, so the players were tired of it and wanted it handled. Also, I am not too concerned, the players will quickly adjust, and the refs will back off a bit as the pre-season goes along, this is always the way they do it, have it over the top to start to get the point across and get players really thinking about it, then start to adjust it to a more realistic standard. The one I am really happy to hear about is the face-offs, apparently thats the other thing they are supposed to focus on, so much "cheating" on face-offs, its about time they end that crap.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:21 pm EST

Let them play

tlats


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:15 pm EST

a stick to the hands is the violation flavor of this upcoming season..... the pussification of the sport is alive and well, Bungholio

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:00 pm EST

VINNI LETTERI, his grandfather is LOU NANNE, kid has some pedigree... Listed as a C/RW and again is a RHS....http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=118656

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:49 pm EST

SO very early with all the qualifiers (first pre-season game, its the pre-season, top players not all there, no one but the kids are probably playing at 100% yada yada yada) here are some things. GRAVES: Looks more poised than last year, more confident, skating seems better, there is a better "feel" watching him. ANDERSON: Looks good, definitely needs work, but what 18 year old doesn't? Smart player finds soft spots. Those are the two guys I really wanted to watch other than Miller at center who looked better than he did at center last season. AGAIN its hella early, the real challenge for all these guys is to sustain it long term. If Graves looked like this in pre-season and can carry it over to the regular season in Hartford he will be a solid call up this year and a good fit down the line full time perhaps. If Anderson can always pay like this it wont be long before he is a solid addition to the roster, just the smarts alone will get him a long NHL career IMHO and Miller, if he can play like this but a level up for the regular season he will be a good Center for the Rangers and can hold the fort until they can make a really good deal or maybe he does even better than most of us hope. SO for a VERY VERY early thought process I can say its better than I expected for those 3....now lets see if they can do it for even an entire pre-season game and through camp into the regular season.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:42 pm EST

Msg talking points .... push Anderson....talk him up.... interview him....

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:36 pm EST

Nice to have the opportunity to watch some of the kids: Ryan Graves #63

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:35 pm EST

Ranger Jersey #'s: https://www.nhl.com/rangers/roster

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:34 pm EST

Say what you will but I for one am pretty stoked to see Lindy Ruff behind the bench; if nothing else the man is passionate about hockey and I just can't see him being okay with some of the listless turn the other cheek performances from last year!!! I remember some between the bench shouting matches he's had with torts...... Classic. Shitaletti sucks monkey pubes still. Only the thin skinned garden brass. would reward the brown nosing little puke : especially considering how UNIVERALLY HATED the little shit is. LGR

_Arc


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:34 pm EST

Ass vipe in mid season gum chewing shape

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:30 pm EST

Agreed on the Dickenosen show. I honestly don't ind Rosen but geeesh, the other guy is so phuckin' bad.

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:17 pm EST

Pp looks the same

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:17 pm EST

This kid is a real good skater & RHS .... https://www.nhl.com/player/vinni-lettieri-8479968

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:06 pm EST

God, I fogot how bad Dickaletti was...Such a freaking homer and propaganda spreader..

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:06 pm EST

Whole New look to the Rangers, Sam Nosen and Dickhead Dickaletti as announcers.... Back to the "mute & the music"

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 6:00 pm EST

Let's drink from the Cup this year Boys. Lets-Go-Rangers!!!!

hipcheck


Mon Sep 18 2017 5:34 pm EST

Defensively, the numbers say that MATT PUEMPEL "sucks toads!" ... I have zero tolerance for that...http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/8590/stats

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 5:28 pm EST

Hospo: Hayes needs to run wind-sprints, thousands of them, it'll help his game

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 5:26 pm EST

As of now PEUMPEL is our 12th forward and that's considering FAST is healthy and playing.. With FAST on the IR PEUMPEL is 11th.... BOO CRYSTOVAL NIEVES big boy 23.5 y/o listed at 6'3' 220 lbs the Hockey News says he put up decent #'s in the lower ranks & can win a FO.... Well I'm all for giving him a shot on the 4th line, maybe he and Smurph-Desharnais can develope a little Chemistry on the 4th line and BOO can take a FO if Smurphanais gets booted from the dot...... BOO may have an easier transition to the big club on the wing..... In any event, that 4th line needs to be completed in a fashion that supports the other 3 lines & the team as a whole... They need to be more than trusted, they need to be the "go to" on occassion...jmo..... (Boo Nieves) http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9467/stats

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 5:07 pm EST

HOSPO: obviously the big advantages this team has is on defense and the wings. They are just strong on the wings and deep. Lot of talent, size, speed there. The defense is exciting. It's going to be a mobile group. Remains to be seen what is goaltending going to like and the pivots. If they had more down the middle this would be as every bit a contender as any other upper echelon team in the NHL. But as always, paper is paper. Gotta show it on the ice. I still thinks that there is a lot to like with this team. One and done can not happen again.

E


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:51 pm EST

I'm putting my money of BOO to turn some heads in camp and preseason and force his way into the lineup. Nothing scientific, just a hunch and a fan.

hipcheck


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:50 pm EST

MF - half the league doesn't have a chance to win the CUp..The Rangers do..with the right addition (Center to me)...MIller's acclimation and the POS Desharnais contibuting are a mere bag of shells to what the impact of HAYES and ZBAD do..Unfortuantely, that might not become apparent until near the end of the season where Hayes typically refuses to adjust his game and is an albatross

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:30 pm EST

irving buy 2 and fly

stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:29 pm EST

Half the league doesn’t have a top tier 1st line center but the last few seasons have made it abundantly clear (at least for this cja) That you can win with depth throughout the lineup……. What’s really worrying me about this upcoming season is DESHARNAIS And his overall fit and contribution capability to the forwards……. OAN: Miller in the Middle, give the guy all season to acclimate, Establish chemistry, and then excel……. Vanna, I’d like to buy a wing…..

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:10 pm EST

My issue with AV is that he isn't the kind of coach that gets the best out of his players. He doesn't have the personality or ability to push players to perform at a level that is higher then what they knew they were capable of. I think that is his big weakness as a coach. As much of an Ass as TORTS is I think he does a much better job of pushing some guys beyond their comfort zone and into being better players. I think TORTS (like KEENAN) can have a real negative effect on some guys, but on most players I think he pushes them to give more. When AV first came to the Rangers he inherited a team that been battling with the fire and effort that TORTS demanded. Couple that with the system and approach that AV brought and the Rangers were a dynamic and dangerous team. But as time has gone by "TORTS Effect" has dissipated. The team doesn't play with the fire and determination that it did a few years ago. If they don't have some guys in that locker room who are willing and able to lead....to push their teammates to be better then yes........ this team will struggle again in the playoffs.

Vic


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:01 pm EST

TD: Yeah, I feel the same way about the team. Every team has question marks. Every team is counting on this guy or that guy to step up. I've said it for the last 10+ years that I don't think they were built the right way. I wanted them to build around a CROSBY, TOEWS, McDAVID type player. They didn't. Outside of having "that guy" what they have is the next best thing. Three lines that are loaded with speed and good offensive talent. I'm not concerned at all with the Rangers getting offensive production from the Center position. If ZBAD, MILLER and HAYES are all healthy this year they could combine for 200 points. My only real concern, at this point, is how well those 3 will handle the defensive side of the game in the playoffs. That is the big unknown. What I'm hoping is that they grow into those roles by the end of the year. If they don't they won't stand much of a chance to do deep into the playoffs.

Vic


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:54 pm EST

STEVIE - Very true..Leadership on the ice up front..and behind the bench has been a HUGE problem with this team the last two years..And it all starts with AV

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:43 pm EST

With the way this league is with fake parity, the nyr should make the playoffs. Big deal.... the problem is the coach in the playoffs!

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:26 pm EST

Fans can be optimistic about this team because there is alot of talent throughout the lineup..and you have some important youngsters (Kid K, Miller, Vesey, BUCH, ZBAD, HAYES and SKJEI that SHOULD be even better than last year).....But......even with MILLER at Center, this team will live or die with ZBAD as a Number 1 center and Hayes as a #2..Until I see otherwise, I remain very concerned.......given ZBADs injuries and inconsistencies, this will really be his first full year for the Rangers and to see what he has...so we shall see...HAYES OTOH did the same thing two years in a row..and just doesn't seem to get it....SOmebody needs to teach this kid how to play best for the team...Unfortuantely, we have zero leadership up front...

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:23 pm EST

S/B: "Should Be counted against the Cap when leading into the season." So if Andreas Athanasiou is signed for $3mill per year, add $3mill to Detroits current -$3,021,212 puts them over by -$6,021,212........ This would force teams to trade to get cap compliant much earlier in the offseason

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:17 pm EST

TD: Buttman is obviously vested in seeing Toronto rise to the top, this is BS, as is the slap on the wrist For teams going over the cap like Toronto & Detroit……. I had previously brought up, “how are unsigned RFA’s treated in relation to the Cap???” You had responded to my post with, “they are NOT counted against the Cap.” This is more BS that the league is turning a blind eye on, because it’s circumvention of the cap rules. Detroit has still not signed Athanasiou and if I was forced to bet, I’d bet they have a back room wink and nod on his next contract as soon as the season starts when they can move FRANZEN to the LTIR, send some guys down to the AHL, and or make a trade…… IF an RFA is NOT signed by the beginning of the season but he resigns with his former team, whatever salary he does sign for Should Be counted against the Cap and if the Team is over they should be fined (and the money deposited into my account) and the penalty should have enough teeth in it that teams honor the cap limit

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 3:11 pm EST

HK: I think snarl is relatively easy to acquire. Especially post camp and preseason. But as much as I think that snarl is overrated in the playoffs, over 82-games it's needed on many nights. I say it's overrated because if you look at a series like the Montreal Canadians last season, the New York Rangers just pounded them out. Guys like Ott and Shaw couldn't get away with their schtick. They learned quickly that the New York Rangers wings are big and skilled. And it seems like when it matters their play can get much more mean spirited. But asking these guys to be that way over 82? That's another story.

E


Mon Sep 18 2017 2:55 pm EST

Wild: regarding AV, If AV doesn't want to extend his stay in NY and made that known to NYR Brass, he'd be shown the door.... jmo snatcherally

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 2:54 pm EST

StLegs: Good Job! ;-)

mf


Mon Sep 18 2017 2:26 pm EST

Vic -Granted, some of this is my pre-season over optimism, but I have a very good feeling about this Ranger team, in part because of how strong they are in the top nine. Sure, the issue with the middle could be an unraveling if MILLER regresses, HAYES doesn't step up and most importantly, if Z doesn't show he's top center material...but then there's the D...I mean, two years we've been saddled with older, slower guys on the right. SHATTY probably won't win any defensive specialist awards, but he's a hell of a lot more mobile than GIRARDI and KLEIN in his last years...and BOYLE the year before...Then a full year of SMITH, who can skate like the wind, and either PIONK or DeANGELO...The Rangers have a boatload of offense back on the blueline and I really think that's going to have a mitigating impact on the situation at center...can't exploit the middle very well when the D are as mobile as the Rangers' D should be...and by my prognosticating, teams are going to have to have a pretty strong transition game to contend with the offensive pressure the Rangers should be able to place on teams...This is a dynamic offense, even if it lacks a superstar like McDAVID and/or CROSBY...deep AND dangerous.

tdchi


Mon Sep 18 2017 12:48 pm EST

So now that MILLER is going to get hopefully a long look at Center, here is the Top 9 that I'd like to see. KREIDER-ZBAD-MZA, VESEY-HAYES-NASH, GRABNER-MILLER-BUCH. I really like that top 9. I don't care what you call the lines or the order you send them out. That is 3 solid lines. You can swap a guy here or there but you need to have at least one solid defensive presence on each line. The 4th line is up for grabs. Once FAST gets back you have options for where you want to put him.

Vic


Mon Sep 18 2017 12:43 pm EST

TDCHI- Interesting thoughts on why Ruff was brought in. AV has had three different guys running the D for the last three years, non of whom were whistle to whistle guys as players. Maybe Ulfie and Buke didn't have the coaching chops to stand up to AV and Gorton thinks Ruff will. Gorton did mention late last year that he thought they needed more snarl and that was the reason Glass reappeared. I selfishly don't want to see it get bad enough that Ruff takes over. It looks like the Giants and Jets may have tough seasons and let's not even mention the Knicks. The Rangers may be all we have this Fall and Winter.

HellsKitchen


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:59 am EST

Theo Fleury @TheoFleury14 · 36m 12 years ago today I surrendered and chose to stop drinking and drugging. The path of healing from trauma has been the best choice ever!!!!

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:58 am EST

STEVIE - Lookin for a big year from VESEY...And AV just has to give JT some time, can't pull the plug after two meaningless pre-season games..And it doesn't matter if Andersson plays well in pre-season, this kid is not physically ready for NHL regular season play on a team that has cup aspirations..Give JT all or most of camp..And decide if it's him or a trade..

Hospo


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:56 am EST

Irving moofman make sure your heart is strong before viewing.....https://mobile.twitter.com/DioVanRocker/status/909716335319486465/photo/1

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:53 am EST

"I'm just stronger and I think a little bit bigger." - @19Vesey talks about heading into his second #NYRTC.

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:52 am EST

@NYRangers · Sep 15 "Any responsibility they need me to take, I’m more than willing to.” - J.T. Miller on starting #NYRTC at center.

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:50 am EST

“I feel like I’ve gotten better and better every year.” - @ChrisKreider speaks with reporters at #NYRTC on Saturday.

Stevielegs


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:27 am EST

Td: that pat thought is a good one, and one that has not been brought up before. Heck AV may be tired of moving around every few years, he may want to settle in to a less volatile position either with the Rangers or another team. Or the opposite, he likes movement and new challenges. So he could have said he doesn't want a new deal after this one. I would think that is the least likely if the scenarios, but it is not out of reason.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 11:18 am EST

HellsKitchen - You nearly ruined my morning with the mention of RUPP. Please be more careful in the future ;)...seriously though, I think Ruff being behind the bench has a number of purposes. First and foremost, a clear and strong message to AV that he's on a short leash and that his replacement is already on the bench with him...secondly...It's pretty well-known that AV isn't a fire-and-brimstone coach...he doesn't yell at players, even when they deserve and may even NEED a good yelling...Ruff, I believe, is behind the bench to be the bad cop to AV's good cop schtick...and lastly, one of the things folks here are roundly critical about AV is his whistle-to-whistle philosophy...some will take it even a step further, saying AV mandates turn-the-other-cheek play. Well, that ain't Ruff. In fact, that's really the antithesis of Ruff, who, as a player, was one mean SOB. And as a coach, his teams were generally very physical. Always had guys who could fight...I think with him behind the bench, we may very well see a much more physical Rangers than through the bulk of last year...and the final thought I have is that there's a chance AV is ready to leave the Rangers himself and pursue maybe a front office position somewhere. He's one of the longest-tenured coaches the Rangers have had...it's possible he told Gorton that he's ready to move on after his contract expires.

tdchi


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:36 am EST

The hiring of Rupp seems to be a move by Gorton to give himself an option should he decide to replace AV mid-season, but, I wonder what is in this for Rupp. Coaches will be fired during the season and Rupp would have been candidate No. 1 if he stayed unemployed or did an NHL Network gig or something. After all Dallas was still paying for not working. I have to assume he wants to be a head coach again and now he has made himself unavailable for mid-season openings and would even have to get permission to interview after the season ends. Seems like a strange choice for him unless Gorton has an agreement to let him consider those jobs. This hiring works only for Gorton, not for AV or Ruff. TH back story on this would be very interesting.

HellsKitchen


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:21 am EST

Watching some of the highlights from Vegas' first game...and man this kid Tyler WONG absolutely LIT UP the ice...granted, they were playing Vancouver's scrubs...but still...Jordan SUBBAN...PK's little brother, had a sweet goal...showed why I still think he'd be a good acquisition...especially if they could grab him AND Jake VIRTANEN...MATTEAU, another player I wanted, notched a couple helpers...real story line though is watching Cody GLASS, who was taken in the spot before ANDERSSON and Nick SUZUKI, who was taken six picks later. Both were showing top-end skill.

tdchi


Mon Sep 18 2017 9:04 am EST

RF4L - Why would the Rangers want GUDBRANSON? They already have eight defensemen under contract: McD, SKJEI, SMITH, HOLDEN, STAAL, SHATTY, DeANGELO, and BEREGLAZOV. That's not even considering the notion that PIONK stands a very good chance of making the team out of camp if he plays like he did in TCT...And where do you see that AV doesn't like a-physical stay-at-home defensemen? Gudbranson is a giant waste of a 6'5 230-pound frame and he's never had much offense. If he's on waivers, I'd claim him. Other than that though? Rangers have plenty of better options on the team now.

tdchi


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:58 am EST

This is crazy...so first, Jared COWAN calls out the Leafs for basically putting him on the IR without as much as looking at his conditioning...and now LUPUL is saying essentially the same thing: They failed his physical by 'cheating.' WTF?!? I mean, I get with some guys like HORTON, who is one hit away from being a drooling mess...but it's crazy how there's a joke about "Robidas Island" --where players the Leafs stupidly overpaid go when the team no longer wants them...how does the NHL let them get away with this? I mean, they bitch-slapped the Devils for the KOVALCHUK business...Yet the Leafs get a free pass? Really weak. See the story here: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/joffrey-lupul-calls-leafs-instagram-says-cheat/

tdchi


Mon Sep 18 2017 8:24 am EST

RF4L: Why in the world would you be looking to that guy? He doesn't get points, isnt wowing with his shut down abilities, NHL levels for sure, but not top 4 in many ways. Will be at least a 3.5 mil cap hit, likely closer to 4-4.5 hit. For what reason? You say he isn't an AV type player....well most coaches want D like AV wants, good skater, good passer, good puck skills with good positional play.

Wildcard


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:36 am EST

The Rangers will have 4 significant contracts to negotiate next summer: Hayes, Miller, Vesey and Skjei. If his projectory continues it's the latter who will end up with the biggest payday. If Gorton forgoes the bridge deal route, which is what many of his peers are doing now with high end talents, Skjei could end up being the highest paid Ranger d-man. Of course, the following summer it's McD's turn but he'll have all the leverage seeing as he's hitting UFA. He'll be 30 then and if he'll be looking for a huge payday it might make things difficult for the Rangers, especially if Shat and Skjei are pulling in collectively over $13,000,000 and the King is still able to play (together all 3 will mean nearly $22,000,0000 is going to 3 players). Now the wild card of John Taveras in a Ranger jersey making $10,000,000. It means McD will be playing elsewhere I suspect 2 years from now. Pure conjecture but if JT is a Ranger next July McD likely isn't before the 18/19 season starts.

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 7:28 am EST

Is Gudbranson available? Apparently, Florida and Vancouver had a deal set during the summer that saw him returning to FLA for Jason Demers. The latter exercised his NTC and the deal was terminated. Demers BTW, just got traded to Arizona for Jamie McGinn. Gubranson, however, even if the Rangers had room on their backline, isn't a player AV would want. Maybe once he's fired the Rangers can pursue him as an UFA next summer...

rf4l


Mon Sep 18 2017 4:00 am EST

“I have a tremendous amount of faith in [Hayes],” Vigneault said. “If we made that trade, it’s because we had faith in him and Mika [Zibanejad] who are the next guys slotted in.”

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 9:14 pm EST

On a sad note, I hearing some bad health news for Ex Ranger Brian Boyle. Could be leukemia.

BONGO


Sun Sep 17 2017 7:17 pm EST

Can we trade JT for JT ?

mf


Sun Sep 17 2017 7:13 pm EST

"Tavares wins it in OT."

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 5:59 pm EST

Lineup tomorrow... https://mobile.twitter.com/RickCarpiniello/status/909467413225369601/photo/1

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 5:54 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 8h Andersson centering Grabner, Buchnevich; Nieves centering Farnham, Letteri...NYR d-pairs: McDonagh-Pionk; Holden-DAngelo; Day-Zborovskiy....Miller centering Nash, Carey....Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 8h Team says Kampfer-Graves will be d-pair tomorrow. McDonagh-Pionk, Holden-D'Angelo others....2nd group D: Gilmour-Smith; Skjei-Shattenkirk; Staal-Pedrie; Bereglazov-Crawley....2nd group lines: Vesey-Hayes-Tambellini; Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuke; Puempel-Desharnias-Stromwall; Kosmachuk-Chytil-Catenacci

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 5:49 pm EST

Pavelec, 30, who admits last season was "tough", relishing a chance for a fresh start. 1 1 4 Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 6h Ondrej Pavelec had three teams interested but chose New York. Why? "It's the Rangers." Loves the city as well, visits a lot in offseason.

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 4:30 pm EST

Soon to be trivia question....Wong's nifty opening tally Sep 17, 2017 • 00:42 Tyler Wong collects Cody Glass' lobbed pass and makes a slick move to tally on his backhand for the Golden Knights' first preseason goal Tags: Highlight Goal

Stevielegs


Sun Sep 17 2017 3:04 pm EST

Rhea should be Rhet....autocorrect is not always so great....

Wildcard


Sun Sep 17 2017 3:04 pm EST

I even had that wrong...as of right now he has to approve any trade, I got my timeline messed up. That means no team would be willing to bid too high, they would all lowball the Rangers, and unless 2 teams knew about each other they would not drive up a price...and not to mention the teams that would pay the most wouldn't be ones he would have wanted to goto.

Wildcard


Sun Sep 17 2017 2:57 pm EST

Rhea: a NTC is just a modified NMC...but anyway, yes, he modified it to have 15 teams he would goto, or not goto or whatever it is, but in any case, the price a team paid could have gone down depending on that list he gave, perhaps no teams would be willing to give up as much as they got for him. That trade clause was a major roadblock to trading him, thats why he was moved when he was...if it didn't kick in until next summer I bet he would still be around.

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Sun Sep 17 2017 2:50 pm EST

Rhet: OK, so still with a NTC he couldn't be traded to Arizona after June 30 without his permission so the time to move him without having to deal with that pain was prior to July 1, which Gorton took advantage of. Not sure what the argument is here.

rf4l


Sun Sep 17 2017 2:50 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo..... With a 20-save shutout today, Igor Shesterkin has posted a 7-0-0 record with a 1.47 GAA, a .943 SV%, and 2 SO in the KHL this season. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 17 2017 2:46 pm EST

RF4L.... Derek Stepan never ever had a NMC. No matter how many times you keep saying it, it's not true. He only ever had a NTC, which was full for only 2 of his remaining seasons. The final two seasons would have been a Limited NTC with which he lists 15 teams he would not accept a trade to. Also, we do not know if he currently has a NTC or not, because it was most likely voided with his being traded (unless the Coyotes agreed to pick it up). We will only find out if they go to trade him in the future.

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 17 2017 2:23 pm EST

BTW... Jesper Fast on target to return from hip surgery in late October, per AV... Also, that is approx. 5 months from the time he had surgery, which was his guesstimated time missed. He is now #17 since #19 is being retired (Kris King?).

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 17 2017 1:58 pm EST

Leslie Treff tweets from earlier today..... Per Leslie Treff‏ @HFNYRangers ..... "On the ice now is not "Team A". It's the guys that will be playing tomorrow..... Andersson, who has looked like more of a playmaker, just puts one in up high on Halverson..... DeAngelo very impressive puck distributing and shot..... Andersson (nicknamed Andy), with great puck skills--soft hands. Growing in confidence each time he gets the puck..... Most of rest of guys out there. Pairings not set yet. The players on the ice will not be in game toMorrow...... Chytil out on ice--nice big frame on him. Just turned 18 and will need to get stronger to play against NHL men. But great potential..... Lundqvist do calm in goal. Directing rebounds away from skaters. After watching prospect goaltenders you appreciate how really good he is.... Chilly just puts one past Lundqvist. A beauty--hints of things to come.... Brendan Smith helping Rangers draftee Brandon Crawley on D.... Brendan Smith, who is expected to play a larger leadership role this season, is working with many of the younger players on his (blue) team..... AV says that first cuts will be guys back to junior likely on Tuesday. Hartford camp starts ~9/22. Wants to keep 2 teams around thru preseason.... Vesey looking for consistency this season.... Chytil made impression on everyone, including AV. If he feels good, AV says Chytil will get into a game this week.... Gropp and georgiev out now with third group. Mostly minor leaguers but these two especially have potential.... Fast on the ice now with group three in red jersey.... Doing puck drills. Mika out there too."

Rhet0ric


Sun Sep 17 2017 1:45 pm EST

TD: Well there's no way of knowing if Stepan would have fetched a similar return last year, nor do we know if Gorton was even considering moving him. Next year, however, wouldn't work given the NMC that kicked in on his deal this past July.

rf4l


Sun Sep 17 2017 12:51 pm EST

E: Totally agree on AV, I think that if this season doesn't end up better, barring a major run of injuries of course, he will be gone quickly. I mean I don't think they would do it so easily if they lost some crazy number of guys, Hank, McD, Skjei, ZBad, Nash...a mix of 2-3 of those guys all at once in the post season and I think he might get 1) a pass if the season as really good up to that point or 2) It will take a little while after they are knocked out for the team to make the move. I have a hard time thinking he would be let go during the season, I think they have the players to have a good year and make the playoffs again...of course the other side of that is that if they are not looking to be making a run to the post season with this group I think he will be let go during the season, there is no reason to not make the playoffs with this group unless again they really get slammed by injuries....no team does really well with that situation and this team would be no different.

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Sun Sep 17 2017 12:43 pm EST

Hospo: In regards to Anderson...right now is the time to put him with better players, do that for a few days in camp, then a preseason game, see what he can bring. Now if he he just kills it you may give him another game and a few more days of practice, because if he can play like a top end guy he can play as a top end guy, I don't care if he was just drafted. HOWEVER I don't think he will be that good that fast so I think he will end up going to the AHL to start, but I think its a good thing that he gets the chance to play with more top line guys early on, thats what camp is for, especially early in camp.

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Sun Sep 17 2017 12:08 pm EST

TD: thanks for bringing up that point re: Ruff. He is internal competition for AV. While I'm sure AV has a long leash Ruff is right there waiting for the blessed hand of Gorton to put on his shoulder. Everybody has an expiration date. At the very least, a one and done season again would likely make AV start typing his resume. That's just not the standard for the New York Rangers any longer.