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Sat Dec 16 2017 11:22 pm EST

Stevie. Pal....totally agree. The time to move Mcdonough is either at the deadline, depending on where we are or after the Season. Due to all of his injuries he is no longer an Elite D man but he's going to want to get paid like one. We cannot saddle ourselves with another Stall, Girardi type contract.

melvillefred


Sat Dec 16 2017 11:08 pm EST

OMG what is it here where being non-positive in sacrilegious? Exxxcccccuse me for not drinking the phucking Sather/ Dolans kooliad...

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:36 pm EST

Just saw the highlights. Beautiful Goal, and celly' by ZZZUUUuuu!!!

hipcheck


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:20 pm EST

pal exactly,the return would be good, and resigning him will be another girardi staal debacle......and he's not a good captain....zucchini should be the captain.....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:58 pm EST

Isn’t the debate of a possible deal of MCDONOUGH because he is so good? If he wasn’t very good there would be no point in trading him.

Pal17


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:47 pm EST

KinkyBoots: Keep your grease and vaseline out of here..... McDonagh's on pace for 44 helpers, not bad for a defense first defenseman.....

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:44 pm EST

richter35: "avdink" I think it refers to a pacifist who mascarades as a NYR head Coach capable of taking his team to the SCF's :->)

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:42 pm EST

Irving moofman how many goals does captain mcdoodie parmenter have this season ? ..who died and left you the boss? .......msg announcers must be forced to mention his name and Nash 15 times per game, and if they get over 20 they get a bonus.....you're a traitor trader....assvipe said it was a greasy hard fought game.....he puts Vaseline on his bumpers to get thru traffic.....

stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:37 pm EST

mf: i googled "avdink" before I realized the typo.

richter35


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:36 pm EST

Legs, who left you in charge??? Why don't you study these career stats on McDonagh (+/- +144) and then bang on your cowbell that he should be traded? https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/m/mcdonry01.html

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:20 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re being a dork

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:10 pm EST

CMark: "Are you being an avdink?" Well, you protected everyone but NASH, so he goes! :->)

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:10 pm EST

how bout that ZUCC!!!!!

richter35


Sat Dec 16 2017 7:58 pm EST

What does William Nylander, Alexander Nylander, David Pasternak, Robin Kovacs and Toronto prospect and former WJC Star Dima Timashov have in common? All have been trained by Michael Nylander. Everyone cept Alex was part of the same junior team more or less in Sodertalje that Nyls senior consulted. We should definitely swoop up Nyls as a player development guy. He is extremely sharp in that regard. Extremely sharp.

Ola


Sat Dec 16 2017 7:54 pm EST

YEAH, he’s small and getting older. Trade him now before he loses all value. Plus we aren’t really a good enough team to be serious contenders. AV can’t coach his way out of a paper bag. Gorton doesn’t know what he’s doing. Grabner will never have a season like last year so get something for him now. Hank is washed up. I know, I’m being avdink, but I don’t think this team is as bad as a lot of people on here. I ask this: which organizations are so much better than us right now you would trade organizations straight up?

ColoradoMark


Sat Dec 16 2017 7:48 pm EST

Zoo Kee Nee !!!! sure, maybe we should trade him? NOT !!!!

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 7:47 pm EST

Zucchini

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 7:05 pm EST

Rf4l purple Hayes probably a big fan of jay and silent bob , and cheech and Chong. He’s fancy dumb .

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 6:12 pm EST

Miller time.... It's a Power Play GOOOAAALLLLLLL!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 16 2017 6:10 pm EST

Miller time.... It's a Power Play GOOOAAALLLLLLL!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Dec 16 2017 6:09 pm EST

Nice goal!!!

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:47 pm EST

Marchand the little ugly big nosed prickjib with a quick and nasty slash on Buchevich. Of course MSG twits missed it. Gawd I wish marchand would suffer a career ending injury.

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:40 pm EST

I like Nieves but he's zero offensive skill.

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:39 pm EST

Grabby with # 16 GOOOAAALLLLL

rangerlou


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:35 pm EST

Man the king is on his game lately.

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:29 pm EST

Is Hayes just plain dumb???

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:22 pm EST

Another fine start by the Rangers...

Rf4l


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:22 pm EST

Bruins having a field day… Storming the net… Absolutely no defense by the Rangers… They are lucky that goal was waived off

rf73


Sat Dec 16 2017 5:12 pm EST

OMG, the game is nearly 2 minutes in and these MSG idiots haven't shut up about the Bruins. SHADDUP and call the game you idiots.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 3:39 pm EST

Last night Shatty left his cover in order to creep to the sideboards to snag an outlet pass. Left a second effort goal for the taking. I mean LA makes all their money going right to the net with everyone. Then he gets you an assist. But that is what you live with. The nature of his game. Suck at one end and excel in the other.

E


Sat Dec 16 2017 2:53 pm EST

I believe that yesterday they mentioned that despite having no goals this year, McDonough has a ton of assists. And, despite the fact that he plays D against the top opposing team forwards, he leads the league in plus minus. Clearly doesn't deserve all the negative comments and trade him talk he gets on the Wall, IMHO.

Ranger47


Sat Dec 16 2017 2:20 pm EST

Captain Kirk has made the nyr pp and helped the o game a lot. He needs to be paired with a stay at home d man to cover his back. Not sure why he was going for a change and got caught, but shit happens Forrest Gump...quickie can take a penalty or two per game and assvipe will have no problem with it....the nyr definitely have room for improvement even with standing pat with their roster. The coaches need to do a better job. Some crime and punishment couldn’t hurt if done constructively.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 16 2017 2:03 pm EST

mf: Good point - and then there's the NMC that the Rangers seem to love to give their veterans. It was the pending NMC on Stepan's deal that made it prudent for Gorton to jettison him, lest he become Girard/Staal II.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 1:51 pm EST

TD: Can Marc Staal refuse to accept a trade to ANY club? If the answer is, "yes, he can refuse to accept a trade," then the only options the NYR's have is to continue with him or buy him out.. Ditto scenario for Hank.... So then, not every player is tradable..

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 1:48 pm EST

mf: Of course he wouldn't, just like Staal won't and Stepan, once July 1st rolled around, wouldn't. Hence unmoveable contracts, unless you're willing to cough up a big incentive (re Buchnevich) to take on the contract. Precisely the point I was and am making.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 1:46 pm EST

TD/RF: Why would Girardi agree to waive his nmc or ntc when getting bought out and then signing with a new club yields him X # of additional millions more per yer? Answer, you don't, it's pretty basic math...

mf


Sat Dec 16 2017 12:36 pm EST

PJ - Spot on about Captn. Kirk...HORRENODUS defesnively...horrible decision making on the defensive end....needs a real solid partner to watch his back at all times..and that's a tough job

Hospo


Sat Dec 16 2017 12:19 pm EST

Nice win last night but need to follow it up with two points in Beantown.....All this talk about Smith's play is valid but he has in fact improved since his well deserved benching....I get more upset with Shattenkirk than I do Smith....This guy is just bad in his own end....I know, I know he provides offense but the guy sucks in his own end....I agree with Igor Trotz that he is overrated....

PJ


Sat Dec 16 2017 11:28 am EST

TDCHI - Your post of 9:13...Been saying that all along....Totally agree..It's not a great team, but there are no great teams! The chance is there to go deep (with a change or two) but we really won't know until February..If they are collapsing when the game changes,,,then make the deals..maybe

Hospo


Sat Dec 16 2017 11:14 am EST

Thanks for the info on HOLLAND!

Vic


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:53 am EST

Vic: More Holland: In Babcock's first year as coach with the Leafs, he started Holland as the 4th line center. I suspect he was looking at Holland as a possible 'pet' project in that he recognized the skillset Holland has and thought he could groom him into becoming a full time player - teaching him to play a strong 2-way game that over time would allow him to begin to capitalize on his offensive skills. He played 65 games in Babcock's first year (9 goals/27 points), then 8 last year before Babcock had had enough and to the waiver wire (with the intention of sending him to the Marlies) he went, only to be picked up by the Coyotes where he put up more middling stats (5 goals/11 points in 40) games. IMO, Holland really blew it in year 1 with Babcock and it's no coincidence he's now looking like he'll be an AHL lifer.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:43 am EST

Oops...LB is right in that you'll get more for both now vs the off-season. That said, as I stated yesterday, I don't anticipate either moving happening now because even a single PO round brings in considerable revenue and that'll be enough to ensure Dolans blocks this. And there's nothing to say moving either automatically means no POs. What if McD could fetch William Nylander (purely an example)? Does that mean no POs? Not necessarily. What if MZA fetches Galenchuk? No POs? Again, not necessarily. In other words, neither needs to traded for picks/prospects only.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:39 am EST

TD: I honestly do not see this team going beyond the first round in the POs. I just don't. They didn't last year or the year before and the same issues that plagued them in those years remains. In the very least, if this plays out as I fear it will, both McD and MZA should be shopped in the off-season. LB w

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:37 am EST

Vic: He played for the Leafs for a couple of years. He's a classic example of a guy with good skills who doesn't play hard, at least not with any consistency at all. You might get a shift or period (never a complete game from what I saw) of impressive play out of him, then he's a passenger for the next 2 weeks.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:32 am EST

What is HOLLAND's story? Does anyone know much about him? I honestly can't remember ever having seen him play even though he has to have played games against the Rangers with either Arizona or Toronto. The fact that I can't ever remember having seen him doesn't bode well. He is 26 now. Is this a guy who is destined to be a career AHL guy or is he a late bloomer?

Vic


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:26 am EST

Vic - re: HAYES, the irony with his goal is that he ACTUALLY had a very good pass. GRABNER was right there...but he made the exact right play: Shoot on net, hope for a rebound. I agree, there's no explaining his propensity for passing. It's maddening, TBH. But I agree. He could score a hell of a lot more if he just took a shot. The guy creates scoring chances, but he's like a turnover machine because after making several six million dollar plays to get the puck deep, he stupidly passes it to nowhere...It's not even that he's a bad passer...it's that he simply doesn't know when to shoot.

tdchi


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:16 am EST

RF4L: SMITH deserved all of the criticism he got earlier in the year. He was so bad that you simply could not put him on the ice. Notice you haven't heard much (if any) criticism since he has come back into the lineup. He has played MUCH better. Nobody is going to kill him for make a mistake or two. Everyone does. But he was an absolute train wreck. It wasn't a mistake or two thing. He could not handle puck, could not make or receive a pass, was constantly out of position and was a turnover machine. Glad to see him playing better and yes they need his physicality badly.

Vic


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:13 am EST

RF4L - So what you are calling for is the Rangers to essentially throw a season away in which they stand a good chance of both making the playoffs and going deep for a chance to get mid-ling picks and prospects...and suck for the next two-to-five years...Sure, if you're the Ottawa Senators, it's high-time to do some evaluation. They made a big splash with the DUCHENE trade, but the season is spiraling and their all-star defenseman has said he ain't coming cheap...THAT is when you talk about trading players for picks and dismantling...But what you're arguing for is to take a team that has beaten the best in the NHL and trade two of their top-five players at a time when their top goalie has probably two or three more years as a world-class player...it makes literally no sense.

tdchi


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:12 am EST

Good game last night. It was a nice bounce-back win after playing a few stinkers in a row. I thought they played a solid, disciplined game against a really good team. Happy to see they got HAYES away from NASH. Hopefully putting him with MILLER won't hurt MILLER's productivity. MILLER can mesh with MZA so hopefully they can be effective together and just let NASH do his own thing. I think putting HAYES back with GRABNER now that GRABNER is scoring should help a lot. He setup GRABNER with a ton of breakaways and chances early in the season when GRABNER couldn't put the puck in the ocean. Hopefully that line will get some chemistry after playing together a few games. If they could just get HAYES to take that shot from the high slot whenever he has it I swear he could score 30 goals in this league. He has a very good shot that we rarely get to see. It is hard and accurate with an excellent release. I heard his interview in-between periods the other night against Ottawa when GIANNONE asked him why he didn't shoot on the breakaway. When he answered that he thought KARLSSON was going to catch him I just shook my head. He was probably right that KARLSSON was going to catch him and at least slash his stick.....if HAYES took the puck all the way to the net, which he was trying to do. That was my frustration. He should have taken the shot from the high slot instead of trying to stickhandle the puck into the goal. With his shot he stands a waaaaay better chance of scoring from the high slot then trying to get in close and deke out a goaltender.

Vic


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:12 am EST

BTW, the Pack pummelled their opposition last night 7 to 3. Bunch of points across the board but Holland with 3 assists. He's got 8 points in 6 Pack games and is the top 10 AHL scoring. Is he the offensive catalyst the team was seeking?

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:09 am EST

I DON'T get...

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:08 am EST

TD: I do agree with you on one thing: I did get the hatred Brendan Smith gets on here. Yeah, he makes mistakes but who doesn't? He's the only d-man with any trace of physicality on this team.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:07 am EST

Callahan - love the guy and his heart, but these injuries were coming; anyone who knows hockey and watched him play as a Ranger could see this. Did Sather actually exhibit foresight by refusing to give in to Cally's contract demands? Hindsight says yes and good thing, too, lest the organization be burdened with a 4th stupid contract.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:05 am EST

Just to illustrate Larry Brooks' jack assery, with last night's win, the Rangers have now beaten four out of the top six NHL teams, and the other two they haven't played yet. Yeah. That's a team you dismantle...Just ruminating on his screed during last night's game...Brendan SMITH a bad signing on the level of Wade Redden? WHAT? Yeah, he had a bad start and he IS as-advertised...a guy who has great speed, good snarl and plays a well-rounded game who is going to have his lapses...but a bad signing? The guy writes in one column that the window is shutting...then writes in another that they should trade everyone. Well, which is it Larry? The guy is flat-out awful. Worst beat writer in the NHL and the only reason he has a job is that he plays to fans' darker side. The Post knows they're going to sell papers with his trash.

tdchi


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:05 am EST

CoMark: Don't get me wrong, I like MZA a lot. As I do McD. But if you feel the team is spinning as currently built given the overall lack of depth in the feeder system and their ages/contracts, they should be a the top of the list of trade candidates.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 9:03 am EST

Didn't see the game but glad to see the results. This team is maddening. Probably lose today now.

rf4L


Sat Dec 16 2017 8:16 am EST

Ryan Callahan: Looks to go on long term IR again.... ouch

schneidw


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:57 pm EST

Nice non call by ref as Smith gets cross checked with a close if not an intent to injure early in the game. That pos aimed for where there was little protection

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:39 pm EST

New York Rangers did a killer job in the offensive zone. The Kings are very aggressive defensively to cut down angles and let Quick come out and be aggressive. New York Rangers went high diamond and whipped the puck board to boards. Caused Quick to have to back in. Was watching the LA feed. They were commenting on it. Talking about how the New York Rangers could really get you chasing if you weren’t careful.

E


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:21 pm EST

2 pts + Nash.. that was a great play off the boards spinarama and shot

sjw


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:42 pm EST

NYRs 2: David Desharnais first line center and Holden first line defense... how is this team competing for a playoff spot anyways??????? ,

schneidw


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:42 pm EST

NYRs... WTF: lame reception for Gaborik whom was a great NYR...

schneidw


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:40 pm EST

COL Mark: Good points on ZUCC... I don't view him as untradeable.. I would never give him away and agree his value to the NYR organization is WAY beyond stats... BUT at the same time, he is a small player whom gets first line minutes and powerplay time and only nets an average of 13 goals a year... if he can net young prospects or draft picks.. he is replaceable... heck, NYRs traded Brassard whom was 10x more productive than ZUCC... NYR got great return and I am glad for the trade... but I much prefer Brass over Zucc...

schneidw


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:38 pm EST

Irving moofman papa John half price tomorrow.... mangia

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:35 pm EST

3rd Star hanky must have paid off the voters

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:33 pm EST

If it wasn’t for hanky that would have been a shutout.. lol

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:31 pm EST

Zucchini and feces

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:30 pm EST

Empty jitters

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:27 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL Dick Papa John Rash

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:25 pm EST

What what a goal and what a release from Nash

Kis


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:24 pm EST

Nasheroo finally

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:19 pm EST

Kopitar looks like a racoon on crack

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:09 pm EST

Another great play by the nyr d . That’s hanky’s fault in the hanky haters minds . He gave up a rebound the nerve of him . Gaborik having a 1000 game celebration at the nyr expense. Thanks talkerella... he’s why Boyle left too...

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:09 pm EST

Our defense Blows worst than that pudric MSG HOCKEY SHOW

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:52 pm EST

I miss Boyle as well. But he left the Rangers because we weren’t going to promise him anything more than the role he was in, 4th Line and PKer. I think he felt he’d get a better chance elsewhere. But would AV appreciate him?

ColoradoMark


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:45 pm EST

And how many great saves does hanky make in a game ? And how many goals does Nash have tonight so far and captain mcdoodie parmenter so far this season ? Without hank the nyr are burnt toast . Especially with this d game played by the nyr ny melatonins

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:43 pm EST

We let Brian Boyle go, why?

rngrsans


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:42 pm EST

TD- I have to agree with RF on the GIRARDI and STAAL contracts being untradeable. But I will say those signings didn’t look that bad when we made them. I think Staal would be a bargain now if he hadn’t gotten all the injury/ concussion problems. GIRARDI’s game fell apart as his body failed him. But he was a warrior for years. But the game has changed as well. RF- my point about Zucc was I don’t trade him whether we are a cup contender or in a total rebuild. I don’t care what you could get for him, I don’t let him go. He’s someone I want setting the example. How many years we had lazy retirees in the ice. Also, I don’t think the Rangers are a few tweaks from a cup contender if you just look at the team on paper. But I don’t see any other team in the league that I think we don’t have a better than 50/50 odds of winning. Parity is here whether we like it or not. The Blackhawks and Penguins are the closest thing we have to a dynasty in the new NHL. And I’d give us a decent chance against either. That’s why I don’t think a sell off is prudent. Except Nash! And how about Zucc? Since I’ve been typing this he checked a guy on the forecheck, walked out of the corner with a quality scoring chance and blocked a key shot. And the fans love him. He gets the crowd into the games. That’s like an extra player at home. I will never agree with the supposed disposability of Zucc.

ColoradoMark


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:37 pm EST

Two down one to go

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:33 pm EST

Hankie is back to alowing at least one horible goal a game. Wonder how much Montreal fans will regret signing overrated Price to a seven year deal...

Andrei


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:32 pm EST

Gabby purple haze shoots and scores amazing... captain mcdoodie parmenter with the assist while getting sandwich crushed , has no goals so far ...

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:31 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL Purple Hayes

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:27 pm EST

Trivia: Jagr & Nash or Gartner

rngrsans


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:10 pm EST

Lundy new nick name should be Mr Softee

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 7:29 pm EST

It's a Power Play GOOOAAALLL

rangerlou


Fri Dec 15 2017 6:55 pm EST

Almost nap time

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 5:45 pm EST

"4 cups since 1925 = joke really." vcp1994...assvipe has his cup from when he was a player, but he has nothing to put in it now.....sans gonads....alias ball-less ....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 5:43 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 2h2 hours ago BTW, Marian Gaborik plays his 1,000th game tonight, 255 as a Ranger. Almost a PPG: 114-115-229. And 6-7-13 in 25 playoff games

stevielegs


Fri Dec 15 2017 5:27 pm EST

Well, of course you can argue that if you offer up enough incentive, almost any contract is moveable. So in that vein, if Gorton offered Buch to take Staal a cap floor team would bite. But that's simply another way of being penalized for giving someone a stupid contract, meaning there are 3 ways to handle an over-priced aging veterans: 1) Keep him on the roster, taking up valuable cap space and a roster spot 2) Buy him out 3) Offer up lucrative incentives to have another organization deal with the contract. The Hawks had no choice but option 3 because they couldn't afford options 1 or 2. No matter how you view it, dumb contracts that in the end penalize the club handing them out.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:43 pm EST

Forehead. Slap. RF, those trades happen all the time. You don't give up assets. You give up XYZ career minor leaguer for GIRARDI and them picking up the salary...or Girardi, a prospect and salary...I can't explain WHY the Rangers didn't do that...probably because they didn't want to pick up the degree of salary other teams wanted or they didn't want to lose picks/prospects to ditch a bad contract. Or maybe both...but to say they COULDN'T is just BS. The Hawks were hard against the cap and got rid of BICKELL, whose contract made Girardi's look like a real bargain. Cost them TERAVAINEN, but they got rid of it. Every player is tradeable. To say otherwise is fan fiction.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:39 pm EST

ColoradoMark - Yeah, because it's easier to carp about a team than to praise them. I agree. Don't get why suddenly there's a pall of doom and gloom. Are they perfect? Hell no. Any time you have a guy on a breakaway stop dead in front of the crease, fart around with the puck for a few seconds until shooting the puck wide...well...you got issues. But like I said earlier today...you have the Jackets getting butt-hurt by the ever-hapless Oilers. You have the Devils also losing 5-1 the other night. You have every team in the East save for maybe the Bolts having their issues...I'd like the team to make a trade or two to sure up its roster, but I don't think this is a bad team...I really think what they do is overcomplicate...when this team decides to simplify their game, they are pretty darn good. It's when they start thinking they're the Globetrotters on ice is when the losses start piling up. We'll see. Tough one tonight, but I see no reason to say the Rangers should rebuild or trade everyone from their roster...the one exception I would say is NASH...and my thinking is that there's simply no way they're going to resign him and at this point, while he isn't playing bad, I think it's time to start thinking about life-after-Nash...a player like VESEY is being wasted on fourth line...even with AV going back to a four-line game...With ZIBANAJED poised to come back and with what they have in Hartford(see LETTIERI or even HOLLAND for that matter), I think they could move him for a good young player and a pick, promote Vesey to his spot and actually be a better team.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:30 pm EST

TD: Huh? Tampa signed Girardi for 2 years at $3,00,000. His salary with the Rangers was to be $5,500,000 for those 2 years. The cap hit due to buying him out is $2,600,000 then $3,600,000 (then a 3rd year at $3,600,000 + 3 more years at $1,111,000). So why didn't the Rangers trade Girardi to Tampa and eat the difference between what Tampa is paying him? A no-brainer, don't you agree? Way less a cap hit than the buyout penalty. But we know why, don't we? The Bolts (and the rest of the league for that matter) did not want to give up an asset to acquire him. Hence, he was untradeable. Just as Marc Staal is untradeable. Just as Stepan will soon be, if he's not already. Dumb contracts. As dumb as giving up 2 2nds for Staal and then the coach sticking him on the 3rd line as a left winger and the organization subsequently watching him sign with the Wild for nearly 1/2 of what Stepan is making and leading his team in scoring.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:18 pm EST

RF4L- Disagree. They could have traded GIRARDI had they eaten salary. Remember he signed a two-year deal with the Bolts. It's all a matter of how bad they want him gone. They clearly didn't want to give up what it was going to take to move him, which is why they bought him out...mf - STAAL has been having a fine season. Again, it's fan optics. If I had polled the Wall six months ago about GIRARDI to see who had him signing him for a multi-year contract for $3 million, there wouldn't have been one person here who would have ever said that was possible, including myself. You see Staal as untradeable. The truth? If you want him gone bad enough, you can trade him.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:01 pm EST

MGMT is lucky we root for this team.Yankees = champions. They hard some dark years. All About MGMT. Dolan ===== DOH!

vcp1994


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:58 pm EST

4 cups since 1925 = joke really.

vcp1994


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:58 pm EST

Stop going to the games then BRASS will care

vcp1994


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:52 pm EST

what a soap opera this forum is. Rangers dont really care about the fans as long as they keep paying. They will stay competitive and be in the mix. Only during Neil Smith did gutkowski truly want a CUP. They will try but not go crazy.

vcp1994


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:34 pm EST

rf4L: That assumes the GM has a strong impact on the philosophy to be employed and then can find an ideal and available coach to match that philosophy. Not always easy, and coaches tend to have strong opinions/preferences on personnel choices being made (see AV as an example!). So, if you are a GM, I think you're better off looking for a replacement coach who you truly want and have faith in and then allowing the new coach to have input on how to address the personnel shakeup.

Ranger47


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:27 pm EST

Ranger47: Or you adopt a philosophy and hire a coach who aligns to it.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:27 pm EST

CoMark: Again, it depends on your view of this club. You believe it's a tinker or 2 away from winning a cup. I don't share that belief. They are perhaps a tinker or 2 away from winning a round in the POs. Perhaps. For me, not interested. I suspect, however, Dolans is, but strictly from a $$ sense. Which means you won't see MZA traded. Or McD. Or probably not even Nash or Grabner. And the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round!

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:21 pm EST

rf4l: I think you should never make a major shakeup of personnel until you identify who the new coach is going to be since you want to match the personnel to the style of play of the coach. JMHO.

Ranger47


Fri Dec 15 2017 3:03 pm EST

I don’t think that the Sens are big on removing Pageau. He’s Ottawa’s Fast. Every team needs them.

E


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:49 pm EST

mf, you will never get a full trade value in January, or December, for that matter. Teams make trades and overpay only at the trade deadline. The way is it, Kane and Nash will be highlighting the trade board come the trade day. Whomever won't get Kane, will overpay to get Nash. 1st round + a very good prospect will be just a start. Normal going rate is a 1st/2nd and a A-/B+ prospect. Grabner will bring 2 2nd's + prospect, or a 1st + B- prospect (if he scores 25+ before trade deadline).

andrei


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:47 pm EST

Man, lose a few games and the wall is hopping once again. It's like a library when they are winning. I know it's all about trades and unloading vets for young talent but I seriously don't think this team needs that much retooling. First of all, I think we need to stop pining for the days of hockey past. Playoff success depends on three things: Goaltending, defense and health/gas in the tank. If we harken back to the Torterella years, our beloved Black and Blueshirts made us proud and then we crawled into the playoffs running on fumes. The good thing about AV (I know, hard to believe there is anything good) is that he can get us to the playoffs without being overly physical and allowing our players to head to the playoffs with enough in the tank to make a run. If Z-Bad comes back and Hank plays like he is capable of, I am convinced the East is anybody's game. The Lightning have the edge, but the playoffs are a different story altogether. Now if we fall apart in the playoffs, AV needs to go. Hopefully there will be a good candidate at that point. And I've said it before and I'll say it again, trading ZUCC is ridiculous. He's a Ranger for as long as he can play as far as I'm concerned. I think some people want change just for the sake of change, like wanting a new toy to play with. I don't see much out there that is available that I'd want in place of Zucc, Kreider or even Grabner. Grabs adds a different dimension that this club needs. If Grabs is smart, he'll sign with the Rangers now, since he hasn't had success like this anywhere else (except one year with the ISLES).

ColoradoMark


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:46 pm EST

RF: Smith is tradeable, Staal is not..... How's your doom & gloom doing?

mf


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:34 pm EST

TD: Arguable. Girardi's wasn't. Had to eat the buyout. Staal's isn't or else he'd be gone for sure. He and Smith at a $10,000,000 hit collectively, are the bottom pairing D on this roster. Fustercluck for sure.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:31 pm EST

RF4L - Every contract is moveable. The only ones who characterize them as unmovable are fans.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:29 pm EST

mf - TBH, I'm not sure WHAT Ottawa would want. PAGEAU is signed for another couple years on a relatively minor contract($3 million). He's young and he's versatile --sort of like their Jesper FAST. I can't imagine that they're trying to move him...but if they're talking about KARLSSON, then they're willing to move any veteran player...No way we're getting him for someone like HOLDEN. But you might be able to offer them some combination of picks and prospects for him...I think what they REALLY could use if they are, in fact, rebuilding, is a solid, future NHL goalie. ANDERSON is pretty long in the tooth. But they're not going to get that for Pageau alone.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:24 pm EST

TD: True but they'd have another over-priced aging veteran with a contract that is basically unmovable.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:12 pm EST

mf - I was a rabid baseball fan back in the 1980s and early 1990s. Hockey was a second love back then...I played it, and I followed it, but baseball was my first love...then came the 1994 lockout. And then they hired scabs. I basically stopped watching baseball altogether after that and plunged headfirst into hockey. And guess what also happened in 1994? Oh man. Baseball was flat-lining for me after high school. The lockout slammed the last nail in the coffin and the scabs buried it. Used to be a diehard Mets fan. Can still recite the entire 1986 team from memory. CRAVED the day they'd allow interleague play...THIRSTED for a subway series...would have done absolutely anything as a kid to make that happen...when it DID happen in 2000, I didn't watch a single second of the series. Not even in passing or at a bar. Just said 'huh, that's nice...' So yeah...Cleveland-Cubs? Nope. Didn't care. Don't care...I just don't find the sport exciting in the least. Great to be with friends at a game when the sun is out and the beer is cold...but that's really about it. I would never buy tickets to a game on my own volition, much less tune in to one on TV.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:10 pm EST

HOWEVER, 1st and foremost, Trading NASH is priority #1, dumping AV is a close 2nd

mf


Fri Dec 15 2017 2:08 pm EST

TD: my trade proposals have taken into accout the need of acquiring a 1st round pick for Nash or at the very least a 2nd rounder so that we have chips t trade up in next years draft.... OAN, you recently brought up Ottawas's JG PAGEAU; this kid would be a perfect 4th line center, he's a RHS, wins many AND crucial faceoffs, turned 25 last month.... Not sure if Boo Nieves can play the 4th line wing, or what it would cost us to land Pageau.... Does Ottawa need a Defenseman? RHS or LHS?

mf


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:54 pm EST

OK, quick dose of reality: The Rangers with their defensive lapses are missing THEIR TOP LINE CENTER. They are a team that now has David DESHARNAIS, a guy cast off by the Habs at a time when they were PAINFULLY short on talent in the middle, as their first-line center. Brooks wanders right by that fact...Also...as I mentioned and will continue to mention: Six points separate the Rangers from first in the division. Three wins. Four from second in the conference. Boys and girls, the playoffs and the cup is a WIDE OPEN race. You want to argue for a rebuild in 2015? Justified. But last year and even moreso this year? You're absolutely nuts. The only one silver lining I can see for a rebuild this season is getting a crack at Rasmus DAHLIN, Brady TKACHUK or Quinn HUGHES...and with how bad the bottom three teams are this year, the chances of that? Nil. They're going to some combination of the Sabres, Coyotes or...gulp...the Oilers...none of which...to point out how mindnumbingly stupid Brooks is...have started "selling off" their assets(earth to Brooks: IT'S DECEMBER)...Now you want to make the argument for trading Nash? Well, go ahead. It's a very valid argument seeing as though there are bottom line players that are playing better and getting better chances than he is. But ZUCC and McD? Absolute madness. Not unless the player coming back is of that caliber or better. "Selling off" is generally a flawed game plan...it's rolling the dice...taking your team from an uncontrolled skid and hitting the accelerator. And that's fine if you're the Sabres...or even the Sens...but when you still have a very good chance of finishing at the top of your conference? Brooks would probably argue the Jackets need to sell off their assets after that bad loss to Edmonton.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:38 pm EST

TD: Did you catch any of the 2016 Chicago Cubs / Cleveland Indians World Series? It was great IMO, with nail biting lead changes... I became a Cubs fan for that series just because the Cubs had not won since 1908, and vowed that if the Indians were in the series in 2017 and the Yankees were not, that I'd root for the Indians who have not won a World Series since 1948 (yes I looked it up) There are intensly deep strategies to the game, I listen to George Will and Charles Krauthammer (both avid fans of the game, speaking about advanced strategies which I found fascinating) to each their own...... BTW, AV sucks White Hankerchiefs!

mf


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:30 pm EST

The only thing Larry Brooks gets is a gigantic boner in his pants every time the Rangers lose. The guy is the very definition of ass clown.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:29 pm EST

I got to blow off a little steam...Eric Staal should have been penciled in at 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line center depending on his acclimation to the Rangers... No play him on the wing, "WHY not suit him up to play Goalie???? AV Sucks White Hankercheifs! ..... Nash should have been traded after his career year 3 seasons ago, I called for it but it's water under the bridge.... Andrei, if NASH can get us a 1st rounder and a prospect, get er done now, no need to wait for the trade deadine, jmon..... I'm very curious about MCDONAGH's health... If he's hurt, that "MAY" govern what we target for Rick Nash in trade, such as a Defenseman...... Personally, the current TRADERATOR in me wants to know trhe following: Do we have scouts of in Putinville watching ILYA KOVULCHUK ?? Are we allowed to talk tyo himand or his agent?? Can we guesstimate what he's going to cost and for how many years??? Get Nash the fuck out of here, get Vinni Lettieri up here, get prepared to re-up Grabner.... In the dumping of Rick Nash, if we can get a 1st round pick, I'd offer to eat his entire salary for this year "IF" the acquiring team is willing to take GIRARDI's cap hit and if need be, we contribute up to $500K per year for the duration.... This gives us the ability to buy out Staal next year or the year after, "OR" buy out Hank after the 2018/2019 season...... Carey needs to be upgraded and so does BOO in my opinion, but if you Hockey Lefgends think Boo is fine, thats good enough for me..... Next year, ANdersson & or Chytil may be trying to break in with the big club, so thats a good thing..... My approach is a steady & gradual retooling, rebuilding on the fly, Vinni in, Nash out, we pick up an important draft pick for the upcoming draft which is deemed deep in talent, we add a RHS in VINNI, next season, a big bodied veteran with a canon of a RHS slapshot is added to the lineup in Kovulchuk, this makes sense in my world.... IMO our odds of playoff participation is as good with Lettieri as they are with Nash.....

mf


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:22 pm EST

TDCHI - No, the hole would have still existed..:)..It wouldn't have if we traded Stepan and gotten a worthwhile center in return or in another deal...BAD asset management either way, at least for the present and near future..

Hospo


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:18 pm EST

RF4L - The hole at center wouldn't exist if we hadn't traded STEPAN.

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 1:16 pm EST

mf - re: the Yankees - My personal belief is that baseball sucks and I'd rather watch the worst Ranger team ever play for 82 games than watch a championship baseball team. I'll add this other caveat: I do like getting out to a ball game here and there. But usually, it's more for the atmosphere than to watch that godawful boring game. I've been to games in the recent past and couldn't for the life of me tell you who I was watching other than home team...of course, drinking 12-plus beers and smuggling in airline bottles of liquor may also may have had something to do with alcohol ;)

tdchi


Fri Dec 15 2017 11:30 am EST

Mind you, the Rangers will probably now win their next 2 games and this sort of talk will fade to the background. Again. For a while.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 11:29 am EST

andrei: The sentiment on this board is divided in that regard. Some clearly, myself included, feel as you. Others want to wait, arguing that the NHL is wide open and almost any team that makes the POs can win. What is Gorton thinking and how much liberty does he have to act on what he's thinking are the real questions here and they are directly related. I also concur, unless the tires really come off, AV is safe until at least the off-season.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 11:05 am EST

Looks like LB is reading the board again. He basically confirms what most of us being saying for month. it is time to retool. It is interesting to read posts here. Hope you realize that NHL teams in reality is much different then PS4 NHL2018 game is. Coaches are not getting fire mid-season. Only when team hits a wall with the huge slide, then possibility will arrive. In most cases, it is when team had underachieve a previous year and hit the major road block, only then management will consider a coaching change. After season is over, sure. it's an open game. that's said, in no shape or form, AV will get fired before season end. Makes no sense to do so. Who are you going to replace him with? Ruff? So he takes over, Rangers go on to make the playoffs and then loose in the first round? You can't replace Ruff now, and who says that Ruff is a better coach then AV? What exactly has Ruff accomplished last 10 years? You only fire your head coach is when you think that guys you are hiring is a better coach then the one, you are firing. Now, as far as trades. You make trades, if you think you can get best value. In case of Nash and Grabner and others, best value will be at the trade deadline. Both should bring a first rounder, plus a prospect. This is the season to further break this team apart and retool. Rangers are not winning the cup this year. Not this year, and not the next. We won't win with Hankie as a goalie. hate to break this news to some. Rangers won't win the cup with McDonough as captain and a number one d-man. In no shape or form, Rangers should commit to another 7 years at 8 per for him. That's what he will be looking for. That contract will be a dead weight in 4 years, just like Girardi and Staal's contracts were. Same with Zuk. he should be traded, as well. it's time to get new blood....

andrei


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:38 am EST

Great article in SI on Buchnevich. Some interesting insider stuff on his adjustment to life in NA and the NHL. I will repeat what I've said previously: This guy has the potential to be top 10 point producer. https://www.si.com/nhl/2017/12/14/new-york-rangers-pavel-buchnevich

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:23 am EST

RF4L - Firing AV...new coach / new system...then you see if the problem is the players / was the coach...He may get to 1,000 regular season wins but...broken record...THE RANGERS WILL NEVER EVER, EVER, EVER WIN THE CUP WITH AV AS THE COACH!!!!

RF73


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:07 am EST

BTW, it's no coincidence that the goaltending was suspect during the horrid start and was the opposite in the resurgence. The problem now is the goaltending has remained solid but the team play has been beyond uninspired lately, hence 3 losses in 4 games. The lack of passion and fire on this club is astounding. It's got to be a combination of the coaching philosophy and the roster make-up. The ball is in Gorton's court...

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 10:03 am EST

What comes first? AV firing or trades?

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:56 am EST

It's easy for armchair fans and writers to say, but You don't dismantle yet, not when just about every team in the NHL is seriously flawed and the CUp run might be a crap shoot...You wait until Feb and the off-season if the team looks or contiunes to look (depending on your view) like a team with zero chance now and next year--you do it....Of course, AV being the coach---and yes, it is his scheme and requirements that lead to the chaotic team defense----ensure thta even with the talent, the Rangers will never win the Cup with him as head coach

Hospo


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:51 am EST

I think it is clearly obvious that this team as presently constructed is not a legitimate cup contender. It would be foolish to not trade Nash at the deadline. Holden has raised his value and is probably going to cost too much to resign. Mcd. given a reasonable length of an extension needs to be retained. I would not trade Hayes because on the third line his proper placement allows him to play to his strengths. The major move that needs serious consideration is the replacement of AV. He has shown an ability to keep his teams in the middle of the pack but just does not have the understanding to maintain a top tier team. There is no history over many, many years to show he knows how to get the optimum results from the resources he has at his disposal.

gene_carr


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:25 am EST

Alas, such moves takes guts and likely, ownership buy-in so I ain't holding my breath on any of those 4 moving.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:22 am EST

PUCKYOU: Did you see the first part of LB's column? Finally, a beat writer who 1) gets it and 2) has the gonads to call for the right moves. I wholeheartedly concur that Gorton should be shopping all of Nash, Grabner, McD and MZA. The latter 2 could fetch a plentiful bounty for sure.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 9:08 am EST

From Brooks: From Ulf Samuelsson to Jeff Beukeboom to Lindy Ruff, the identity of the assistant coach in charge of defense doesn’t seem to have the slightest effect on the blue line’s propensity for over-pursuit of the puck at the expense of protecting the front of the net. For better or worse, this must be by design of head coach Alain Vigneault. Yes, J.T. Miller allowed his man, Zack Smith, to get position in front on Ottawa’s 3-1 goal eight seconds into the third period of Wednesday’s 3-2 defeat. But why would Skjei leave the front — while pointing and likely yelling to Miller to pick up the vacated area — to join Shattenkirk in pursuit of Tom Pyatt after the winger had beaten No. 22 down the left side off the opening draw? Skjei tried to block the pass, but had he held his ground, there would not have been an open man to receive it. This is the rule, not the exception to how the Rangers have defended for years. I just don’t get it.

PUCKYOU


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:46 am EST

Vic: BTW, I don't disagree with your thoughts about acquiring someone you expect to make a difference that late in the season. Such a deal should be made now if possible. But the coach and GM need to be on the same page and sometimes I wonder if AV fully embraces these deals. We can argue he didn't play either Yandle or Staal to their full potential and both were significant acquisitions.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:44 am EST

Fairly important weekend for the Rangers. They've lost 3 of their past 4 games and if that trend continues, they're risking getting behind multiple teams in the wildcard race. They are in the 2nd WC spot, tied with Pittsburgh, 2 points ahead of the surging Flyers, 3 points ahead of Montreal and 4 ahead of Carolina. Such a tight race.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:39 am EST

Vic: I disagree. Who didn't look like crap on the Rangers when Staal came over? Everyone was in a funk. Yeah, Staal didn't play well but AV kept him on the wing on the 3rd line. Just plain dumb given the fact that the team was floundering. Staal had a solid year last year and has followed it up this year even more impressively. 27 points in 31 games puts him ahead of the entire Ranger roster right now. He should have been given a fair better opportunity to succeed and then resigned to a deal like the Wild gave him. Instead, he was misused and left. Dumb. The hole at center wouldn't exist if he'd been resigned. For me more bad asset management by the Rangers.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:17 am EST

RF4L: I disagree with your stance on STAAL and that trade. The blame for that fiasco is on GORTON in my opinion. STAAL was not a player that fit this team or its style of play. He is a player that has slowed significantly over the years and was a shadow of his former self. In addition, STAAL was already having the worst year of his career before he came to the Rangers. He was playing a sub-par, low effort game in Carolina and he played a sub-par, low effort game in New York. You can blame AV if you want for not making him the #1 or #2 Center if you like but in my opinion he didn't deserve either and he looked like crap in the few chances AV did give him to play Center. It looks like what happened in New York was a wake up call for STAAL. It looks like he put in the work in the off-season and came into this year with something to prove. He is also on a team and in a system that is much better suited for his style of play. The STAAL trade is just another example of how horrible an idea it is to try to acquire a player that you expect to be a top 6 difference maker at the deadline. It almost never works out for the team acquiring that player. Adding depth or role players at the deadline is fine but you should NEVER plan to acquire a central or core piece at the deadline. There just isn't enough time for that player to get comfortable with the new team and system so that they can be the difference maker that they were expected to be.

Vic


Fri Dec 15 2017 8:10 am EST

stevie: That's a subjective position. I'm not saying you're wrong but it's impossible to prove. IMO, the single biggest failing of the organization is it's lack of a true offensive blue chipper. Their lack of offense was their biggest shortcoming against the Kings in the final and then the next year against the Bolts in the quarter finals. A coach can instill systems to prevent scoring but to score, especially when the competitive level is up, like in the POs, you need skill. Messier I was the last time this club had a true number 1 center and that's a very long time ago.

rf4L


Fri Dec 15 2017 4:23 am EST

The nyr have had teams between 1940 and 1994,and 2017 who woulda coulda shoulda. I believe the reasons they didn’t had to do more with the coaches and gms failures. Many of those teams had the talent and the chemistry, but too many coaches can’t handle the pressure of the playoffs. They are not Derek jetter money ball types.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 10:03 pm EST

TD: OK, which two decades since 1940 and 2 cups would you like to compare the Rangers to vs the Yankees 1980's & 1990's and 27 Championships ??? Really.... :-)

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:29 pm EST

E Staal leading the Wild in scoring and on pace for 80 points. AV sucks.

Rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:26 pm EST

Stepan really helping the Yotes. Such a leader. Mind you that tram as I said several times this summer sucks overall.

Rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:22 pm EST

Sooo...not to rehash last night’s snoozer...but I had a bit of an epiphany after the laughable move HAYES made on his breakaway: It’s time to trade him. The guy has a ton of size and talent...and his value has got to be about as high as it’s ever been....he’s the type of player other teams are going to look at and say “hey, with a little bit of coaching...” The guy quite literally can’t bring himself to shoot the puck. Lord knows why. But I tell you what: I bet he could get us GALCHENYUK+ from the Habs. And I wonder if we sweatened the pot with HOLDEN and a pick, if we could get SHAW too....or...and I mentioned this last summer...maybe dangle him over the Flames. See what that would get us. Maybe BENNETT? Or maybe JANKOWSKI and Rasmus ANDERSSON or KYLINGTON? Just a thought.

tdchi


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:11 pm EST

1. If you’re pointing at the Yankees as a successful way to operate a franchise, then you weren’t following them in the 1980s or early 1990s, when they were he laughing stock of MLB. 2. Baseball is only marginally a team sport. Individual efforts mean WAAAY more than chemistry. And if that wasn’t the case, the Yankees would be very much like the early 2000s Rangers.

tdchi


Thu Dec 14 2017 6:24 pm EST

stevie: Re bigger rinks. I posted about that like 10+ years ago when new rinks were starting to pop up. The NHL, with their typical lack of foresight and courage, didn't seize upon that opportunity, lest the existing teams scream and cry and stamp their feet about expensive seats being lost. The NHL continually makes silly decisions because their focus is on the short term dollar impact. Sad but true.

rf4L


Thu Dec 14 2017 6:17 pm EST

E: good stuff man, thank you...... So with all that, how come the NYR can't gain the zone against the Senators? thanks again

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 4:24 pm EST

what buttman has missed and will probably never do is make the rinks bigger like they are in the rest of the world. Then the speed and skill will shine , instead of what E described yesterday. Then maybe 2 refs won't get in the way, and a 3rd will be in the stands instead of a police officer. ...is there a doctor in the house ? .....all those ex-players working for the nhl are assvipe pansies just like he is now.....they forgot their roots and how most of them played when they were in the nhl...no hit league....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 4:24 pm EST

Thank You Dr. E!! I just know i hate the product!

Hospo


Thu Dec 14 2017 4:12 pm EST

And remember, that obstruction at mid ice is hard to do. When you could tie up the other team, their puck carrier often gained the zone with no help anywhere. Their teammates were fighting thru the obstruction to help support you. Now? That second ref behind is watching you, so while you can run some casual picks where you get in the way of the other player, they essentially have a freeway thru the neutral zone. So, you just can’t cut that angle and ride the carrier to the boards anymore. You’re one pass away from giving a trailer a free lane right to the net. And for me? Now the players that are dangerous aren’t the guys who try to beat you one on one to the inside. That’s so hard to do. It’s those guys who get that one step outside, lower their shoulder and drive you into your own net. That’s one reason you see guys like McDavid, Chris Krieder etc... for example defended by just keeping a stick in the lane and playing the angle. Not suggesting Chris Krieder is in the same league but speed. And thru his career, who came out on the good end when Nash drove the net from the outside? He’d go right thru you.

E


Thu Dec 14 2017 4:03 pm EST

MF: there is a reason that angling and cancelling on the boards no longer happens. Instead it has given way to slowly collapsing and staying in the shooting lane. It used to be that the only way a player being ridden off had a chance to make a play was to ring the puck around. But now the league has changed. Puck support strategies that the Russians were famous for and exploited for years is now standard operating procedure. If you come in on the wing, to be sure a second trailer will come across behind you and give the player you’re closing on an outlet. If you overcommit and go for the hip check on the low half boards you leave the other defender outmanned. So, it’s just so hard to do. Defenders just back in right to the side of the net. Once your offense comes back in support you can play the guy against the boards but not before. It’s the evolution of the game. I’m sure there is plenty of film of defenders being burned trying to cut off the half boards. It’s just the game now. I long for the days when a defender stood you up at the blueline and it was man against man. Just the evolution. And no one wants to be in the boards when defending now. It’s a game of sticks in lanes more now. It’s another example of how hockey is morphing from a game of zone up until your defense materializes and then take time and space and push the puck handler to pass or shoot when they aren’t ready.

E


Thu Dec 14 2017 3:57 pm EST

Yankees: Life without a hard cap. Mind you, Nob for Life operated for a few years as Ranger GM with no cap and made the Rangers the laughing stock of NA professional sports so clearly, money alone means squat. You need someone in charge with vision, intelligence and insight to best leverage that advantage.

rf4L


Thu Dec 14 2017 3:35 pm EST

rf we can all dream and hope, but mine is more realistic and wiser...lol....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 3:25 pm EST

Ranger Brass: Are you reading The Yankees lately? (from todays NY Post: ""LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. — The Yankees checked in on Manny Machado for many reasons but mainly because, well, they are the Yankees. It is in their DNA to inquire on everything, especially big players, especially situations where teams might be feeling a level of desperation, and the Yankees sense they may be able to buy a dime for a nickel.""

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 2:44 pm EST

VIC - Of course. I am choosing not to like it.Just like you are choosing to like it...How else are we supposed to decide? listneing to somebody else? the media? anybody?....As a kid, I loved the entire game especailly as a player/athlete but, honestly, in the 70's, it was the wildness, the physicality, the HATING of rivals, the mayhem that really made it watchable.....I can appreciate skill when i see it...but I feel absolutly nothing when i watch the Rangers (and most of the league) play these days...Yes, my choice

Hospo


Thu Dec 14 2017 2:06 pm EST

Vic: I am more focused on the other side of the coin... I want the NYR's to play better defensively, especilly as a 5 man unit.... I miss a Brad Park positionally sound defensive coverage agling into the sideboards leading into a hipcheck which literally leads to the opposing forward being lifted off the ice and into the boards.... (descriptive enough? :-)) ..... I miss a good clean body check intended to take a guy out of the play and forcing both teams to skate with their collective heads up.... Goon fights don't interest me, altercations initiated by Defensemen on forwards because said forwards have crossed the line of my goaltenders sacred space do..... Guess I'm pining for playoff hockey.... Our Rangers are not playing as if this was preparation for the playoffs.... jmho snatcherally

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 1:39 pm EST

But, I will also say this.....Those of you that take no enjoyment from the current version of the NHL are CHOOSING to hate it. Fighting and hitting weren't the things that initially attracted me to hockey and aren't the reason why I love the game. They were an exciting part of the game for sure, but the real reason why I loved the game was because of the speed and edge of your seat excitement. No other sport matched that intensity. Today's game is so defense oriented that you rarely see the sequences where there are odd man rushes going back and forth. They still happen from time to time and you can hear the crowd going crazy during those end to end rushes. So while I will miss the physicality of the game if the game can get faster, more wide open and end-to-end I will surely enjoy it. The real atrocity is what teams like Ottawa are doing to the game.

Vic


Thu Dec 14 2017 1:28 pm EST

MF: It goes beyond the Class Action Lawsuit fears. The league was looking at the very real possibility of police/legal action due to some of the things that were happening on the ice. Things are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago. Society has changed a lot and is changing at a dizzying pace right now. The NHL made the decision to get ahead of the curve and make the game less violent before they were either forced to or were just shut down. Most of us who grew up with a different NHL don't like the changes. But did they make the right move? I don't know. Maybe they did for the sake of the players and the continued existence of the league. It isn't what it once was but at least it is still here. Maybe that wouldn't have been the case had they not done something. Who knows....

Vic


Thu Dec 14 2017 1:19 pm EST

Unfortunately, as NICK and others have said, the bottom line is that the game will stay the way it is now and get even more focused on speed, skill with minimizing contact..It's the way the kids are learning and being taught...games are turning into friendly skill competitions rather than battles with rivals...Oh well, although it alienates me and some others, perhaps this is what the new generation of fans want to watch? i'll switch to RollerBall and Roller Derby...oh wait...

Hospo


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:56 pm EST

Again imo, if Bung-holio midget fuck, didn't take action, the league would be and is guilty of gross negligence...

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:54 pm EST

On the panzification of the game, we can't overlook the potential class action lawsuit lurking in the shadows regarding head injuries vs what the league knew, and when they knew it

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:53 pm EST

RF, imo each team should play each other 2x, once home, once away, then the local contests will carry more weight

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:49 pm EST

AMEN NCRanger!!

hipcheck


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:22 pm EST

NCRanger - Been saying that for over a year and a half now..Last years MTL-NYR PO series, which was fun to watch becasue of the Tanner Glass influence:), seems to have been just an outlier

Hospo


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:21 pm EST

NCRanger: The league needs to get rid of their every team has to play every team philosophy. The Rangers should be playing teams within their division 8 times (or more). LA twice? The Ducks twice? Who cares. The same applies in Toronto - their best games are those against Buffalo, Montreal and Ottawa - all huge rivals. Just dumb but the NHL is full of dumb decisions.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:17 pm EST

Or the Rangers winning the cup this year...

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:16 pm EST

stevie: Suspect my dream is as dreamy as your dream about the Rangers trading for Karlsson.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:08 pm EST

I agree with Hipcheck and some of the others here....It's always been discouraging being a Rangers fan. But the league in general is just so boring to watch these days....no heart, no passion, overpaid millionaires going through the motions on a good chunk of nights. Very rarely do you see a meaningful fight...what happened to the great rivalries in this sport. Bettman and his sorry little henchmen have stripped the league of its integrity and history...all these rich greedy little bastards care about are the $$'s. I could barely watch the game last night and FF through almost the entire game (all my games are on tape delay for the most part). I can't tell you how many games I've literally fell asleep during within the season so far. I bought the package about 3 weeks late because I was really contemplating not purchasing this year....I regret that I did. League aside, for me, the best thing this franchise can do is fire the coach, bring in new ownership, and consider a "real" rebuild for the next 2-3 years. Nothing comes easy, and sometimes you need a bit of luck, but this team as currently constructed is a mess IMO. Way too many passengers on board.

NCRanger


Thu Dec 14 2017 11:53 am EST

Legs: you bustin RF's Dream? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXYl5NrHPb4

mf


Thu Dec 14 2017 10:49 am EST

rf please awaken from your dream...they are not tanking, not going to be out of the playoffs, and more than likely not going to get the #1 pick and get that kid. you continue to want kids , assets, smart decisions etc..and then your afraid to rush churtle.. i don't give 2 hoots how they get there, all i want is the cup, this year, next year , and beyond....there is no magic formula.....and their are very few real genius' running nhl teams.....if any....and if karlson is not affordable in fishboy's mind,.......C'est la vie as they insist on speaking in Montreal....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:58 am EST

BTW, I'd rather land Dahlen because 1) Last overall means bye bye AV 2) Last overall means MZA and McD are likely to be traded for excellent returns 3) The organization is stripped of it's assets like it would be to trade for someone like Karlsson.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:49 am EST

stevie: It's possible Karlsson will be dealt but it'll cost a fortune. Say goodbye to Bush, Skeji, the Russian goalie and a first. At least. The Rangers simply don't have enough depth in their organization to do a deal like that IMO.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:20 am EST

Rf Msg mouths were claiming they want to trade karlson . Hope fishboy is kicking the tires and thinking he can then trade captain mcdoodie parmenter to the highest bidder. To me karlson is better than getting that number 1 pick dahleen for a team like the nyr nym if they really want to win the cup with hanky . Sans assvipe.

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:05 am EST

stevie: Bobby Ryan has under-achieved his entire career and is armed with a ridiculous contract. His never ending string of hand injuries are a big problem, too. I believe he's been out twice this season alone with hand injuries. For whatever reason the Sens gave him that stupid contract and now they're stuck with him. For whatever reason, they also took on Dion Phaneuf's albatross of a contract 2 years ago and that's now looking stupid (well, it was stupid when they agreed to take him in a trade). Meanwhile, they have pending raises to deal with for Stone, Hoffman and Karlsson. More dumb management decisions that the owner has a significant role in.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 9:01 am EST

This stupid team better wake up real soon; upcoming opposition to get to the xmas break includes: LA, Boston, Anaheim, NJ and the Leafs.

rf4l


Thu Dec 14 2017 8:02 am EST

Didn't watch the game (Thank God), didn't even know they were playing last night... that's how bad this has gotten. So discouraging, with the state of the Rangers & the current NHL game. This is not the same sport that I feel in love with. Trying not to be dramatic, but with all the passion, physicality & heart removed from the game, I'm losing interest quickly.

hipcheck


Thu Dec 14 2017 5:34 am EST

Mhl melatonin hockey league with the nym the New York melatonins . I get my best sleep during games. ... when ZBAD gets back it’s time to start rotating guys to the stands. Almost everyone of them needs at least one game off to Wtfu , Including coach assvipe rub his nose chew his gum . But it won’t happen. He has kamphor oil and he refuses to use him already , like they’re on some kind of winning streak in his mind. He should start with dick rash. The guy has a confidence problem. He’s probably too preoccupied with thinking about getting a new contract somewhere. He’ll be lucky to get $1 mil per. Ottawa got another Christmas gift, but Bobby Ryan only has 2 goals this season? Another case of wtf...that’s offensive!

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 14 2017 1:22 am EST

E - exactly as i have been saying ..prancing perimiter pond hockey..with the size they have as much as a sin and as boring as the Sens waste of their talent

Hospo


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:19 am EST

Ottawa. Geezus. Well at least it wasn't the POs and we didn't cough up two games in the last minute. Also, Grabner has SIX empty net goals so let's not get carried away on his lack of PP time. Not that it matters. I think we're back to scuffling into the 8th spot and possibly squeaking out a round, depending on opponent.

Nick


Thu Dec 14 2017 12:14 am EST

For starters, Ottawa is THE most boring team in the NHL to watch. They don’t play to win. They play not to lose. But the New York Rangers spent way too much on the perimeter. No one wanted to go to the net. That ain’t coaching, that’s intestinal fortitude.

E


Wed Dec 13 2017 11:46 pm EST

AV needs to be fired, then I'd work on trading Nash.... As a fan, I'm losing interest in this team and the sport, I currently have more interest in the Yankees than the Rangers.... It's not supposed to work this way but it is

mf


Wed Dec 13 2017 11:18 pm EST

Don't believe I have ever seen a player just pass up the shot on a breakaway...Hayes passed up that chance and many others to make low % passes....Shattenkirk is just bad defensively...Smith craps the bed a couple of times a game and Nash was leaving the zone early and missing the net with his chances....And what a snoozefest this game was.....Ugh....

PJ


Wed Dec 13 2017 10:30 pm EST

The two most boring teams in the NHL, the Sens bacause of their trap and the Rangers baciuase of their preferred penchant for pansy-ass perimier prancing pond hockey, provide another Ranger snooze fest....Granted I can only watch bits and pieces now but it's just pathetic....And totally unprepared to play an opponnet....so many players played like dog shit....

Hospo


Wed Dec 13 2017 10:01 pm EST

Too many players not worried about their jobs and just give half an effort. Hayes is one and there are others

rngrsans


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:58 pm EST

You mean like when Ted Striker and Elaine were working for the Peace Corps?

Bob


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:53 pm EST

Just to be clear....I would rather watch a tribe of African pygmies play a game with a goat, a basket and 3 melons then watch the Ottawa Senators play hockey. I have absolutely no respect for that team, their FRANKENSTEIN looking head coach and that fan base. To lose a faceoff to that team is embarrassing, let alone lose a game. They have been pounded in their last 13 or 14 games. I think they gave up like 20 goals in their last few games. Yet the Rangers go down like a collection of soft fruit. They have looked like shit the last few games and they are going to get the shit kicked out of them over the next two weeks. Say goodbye to the playoffs. They will be out of it for good by Christmas.

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:52 pm EST

RF4L........from the movie Johnny Dangerously. Quotes from Salvatore Maroney. One of my favorite scenes.

Bob


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:51 pm EST

RF4L... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GVCgTFw2Qk

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:46 pm EST

Hayes is a useless bag of warm shit ! I didn't like him two years ago, don't like him now........the BAD parts of his game FAR out weigh the good parts. I would trade him to Vegas for a water bottle and a bag of pucks....just so I don't have to watch his lazy ass again in a Ranger uni.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:45 pm EST

Bob: LOL...what's a 'farging ice hole'? LOLOL...am I too Canadian to comprehend?

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:43 pm EST

These bunch of farging ice holes with 2 completely unacceptable efforts in a row. Boring games that they win are bad enough. Boring, passionless games when they lose are unbearable. At least I watched the SN feed so did not have to endure Micheletti telling me how great the Rangers were. These guys are fat cats and need a fire lit under their arses.

Bob


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:36 pm EST

So clear to me where to go with this team. Alas, not gonna happen any time soon (if at all) so I suspect this is what we're gonna endure all year long. For me, it's becoming another frustrating chapter in my Ranger fan experience, of which there are far too many. So hard to watch.

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:34 pm EST

Well, that completes the embarrassing part of this evening… Say goodnight Gracie.

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:32 pm EST

Congratulations to the entire New York Rangers organization. You have just sunk to a new low in embarrassing yourselves and your fans. Thanks for making me envious of the fans in Colorado and Phoenix. I wish I could feel as good about my team right now as they do about theirs.....

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:32 pm EST

Patheteric.

Bob


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:32 pm EST

Maybe fire Gorton for not doing anything!!! This team sucks

rngrsans


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:31 pm EST

oMG They suck

rngrsans


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:26 pm EST

Foxwood final five… Oh wait, they stopped advertising on this losing bet

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:23 pm EST

Hayes is another bag of pucks.

LetsGoRangers


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:22 pm EST

Puckyou… Hayes was interviewed during the first intermission and actually had the nerve to say they had a good first period … I screamed at the TV “what are you talking about… What game are you talking about “

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:15 pm EST

rf73- That's HILARIOUS

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:15 pm EST

Buchnevich is another player who will disappear when it counts in the spring.

LetsGoRangers


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:15 pm EST

Grabner dominant. 15 goals even strength, not good enough for pp time, but Desharnais gets 1st unit time. Makes sense. And can Hayes show me how to turn a breakaway into a no-shot spin-o-rama again?

PUCKYOU


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:11 pm EST

Buchnevich is the best Ranger because he doesn’t speak English And therefore doesn’t pay attention to the bullshit that AV is spouting

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:09 pm EST

Nice pass by KREIDER.

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:08 pm EST

I stayed home for this crap

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:07 pm EST

“Rangers have picked up the pace “ … A.k.a. the Rangers are awake from the coma they have been in the entire game

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:07 pm EST

Grabber is our leading scorer...that's all you need to know about this team.

LetsGoRangers


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:06 pm EST

I agree with you all....This team really has nothing! Ottawa is clearly in a free for all yet we can't out play them? From what I can see (and I'll admit I am only 1/2 watching) but we have so many passengers. I am tired of asking where is.....Kreider, Miller, etc....It is LONG over due for a trade to shake the team up

rngrsans


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:05 pm EST

Shattenkirk...another overrated overpaid defenseman we are stuck with. Sound familiar? Boyle, Yandle.

LetsGoRangers


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:03 pm EST

Disgusting....absolutely disgusting....

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:02 pm EST

Eight fucking seconds… Eight fucking seconds

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:00 pm EST

After 2 periods they are being outshot and out it by an embarrassingly bad team. I'm not going to survive the next two weeks with my sanity intact.

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:54 pm EST

If they lose to this POS team I'm ready to blow it up and start the rebuild now. Trade them all, fire the coach, fire the GM and fire the owner.

Vic


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:48 pm EST

Ottawa looks terrible in this game… Speaks volumes as to how the Rangers are playing and losing to this team

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:48 pm EST

Ottawa looks terrible in this game… Speaks volumes as to how the Rangers are playing and losing to this team

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:38 pm EST

2-1 Ottowa This game BLOWS

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:20 pm EST

BTW, this game is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:17 pm EST

“Rangers are a great comeback team “… Ranger spin for they give up a lot of goals.

rf73


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:15 pm EST

LOL...nice D on Grabner's goal by the man who wants $13,000,000 a year. Boy did he screw up chiming in with Doughty on those silly future contracts. Nothing but negative attention since, to the point where he's been asked to name his trading clubs (allegedly). Nice leadership skills there, dude.

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:13 pm EST

Why is Kreider trying to stick-handle around players at half speed? Geesh. Play to your strengths, which when it comes to going around/by the opposition, is speed and strength. Just dumb.

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 8:13 pm EST

Why is Kreider trying to stick-handle around players at half speed? Geesh. Play to your strengths, which when it comes to going around/by the opposition, is speed and strength. Just dumb.

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 7:32 pm EST

Looks like it's going to be another long night

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 7:21 pm EST

Really????

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 7:14 pm EST

NYStranger: certainly anything can happen in a season. I remember one year the Habs were unbeatable to start the year and if I recall correctly, they didn’t even make the playoffs. But the quarter mark is always a good barometer for what teams are going to do...as in make the POs or not. And the Rangers at the quarter mark were on the ‘make the playoffs’ side of things. I mentioned this before too that if it weren’t for this silly playoff format...if the top eight teams made the playoffs, I think they’d be all but guaranteed a spot. They are better than any team outside of the Bolts in the Atlantic...and if you’re going to draw out statistically from their record today, certainly you can argue that they’re spinning in quicksand...but eliminate the first 10 games? Rangers are 14-7-1. And along that stretch, they were missing for multiple games their top center and their top defensman. I don’t blame people for getting down after a game like the one against the Stars. They got outplayed and out-coached. And it’s easy to think that the success lately is the anomaly. But if we’re making predictions on trends, the Rangers so far this year have played better in more games than they’ve played like crap. On top of that, they’ve topped the Devils, Jackets, Pens, Knights and Tampa —some of the best teams to start the year. So I wouldn’t be doublin down on any bet for them to tank. Of course, saying that is tempting fate before a game...

tdchi


Wed Dec 13 2017 7:08 pm EST

Huge pressure in Ottawa to start blowing things up. The biggest problem there and I've said it multiple times, is a meddling owner. It's so very rare that a team with such a owner has success. You'd think men who have the wherewithal to accumulate millions (if not billions) would see that but I guess egos get in the way.

rf4L


Wed Dec 13 2017 7:00 pm EST

So gianone says it’s up to the captain mcdoodie parmenter to get his team ready... assvipe gets a pass from Msg.... guess mcdoodie was sleeping in the last game

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 13 2017 6:20 pm EST

The MSG HOCKEY SHOW REALLY BLOWS...Just saying ;-)

rangerlou


Wed Dec 13 2017 5:24 pm EST

Hank is just 4 saves away from 20,000 for career...Way to go King!...(He should have them before the end of the 1st minute of tonight's game).

RF73


Wed Dec 13 2017 3:57 pm EST

Chytil to join the Czech WJC team. Good. I hope he's healthy because I intend to watch a few of those games - usually very good hockey.

rf4l


Wed Dec 13 2017 3:20 pm EST

AV is a top regular season coach. PO coach? Not so much IMO.

rf4l


Wed Dec 13 2017 3:20 pm EST

What is Dubi fighting a slug like Kassian for?

rf4l


Wed Dec 13 2017 3:12 pm EST

Mf- I think AV has proven that he is a top coach in this league. Is he the best guy for us? Someone that can take us all the way. That is of course up for debate, but...

Ola


Wed Dec 13 2017 2:33 pm EST

AV has sucked since his second year here, and Wallsters were calling for his head in years 2 & 3

mf


Wed Dec 13 2017 1:23 pm EST

Columbus Blue Jackets center Brandon Dubinsky will miss six to eight weeks after suffering a broken orbital bone in his face during a fight with Edmonton's Zack Kassian Tuesday.

Stevielegs


Wed Dec 13 2017 12:48 pm EST

For you Evander Kane worshippers, the alleged asking price is a solid prospect, a first and a secondary pick. No thanks!

rf4l


Wed Dec 13 2017 12:22 pm EST

HOSPO: I think there isn’t anything physical because it’s hard to get those emotions going. How often do you see a team play angry? Come to the rink with snarl, piss and vinegar? And some teams take it away completely. The Montreal series was everything right in hockey. Mean spirited, physical and tough. The Ottawa series? Ground into neutral. Limited action. No forecheck by Ottawa. No physical forecheck in the offensive zone. Just 10 guys stuck in neutral in the middle of the ice trying to move a puck thru legs everywhere. Last year I went to a Calgary vs. Anaheim playoff game and damn... that was unbelievable. That was hockey played the right way. So styles make matchups as well. I know how AV wants to play. He wants fast, deep in the zone hockey. He wants to break out at top speed and give the players the option to either make a skill play on net or to get the puck deep behind it and try to circle the puck on the boards. I am 100% on board with the scheme. I think it’s the right way to win in this climate. It’s similar to Chicago, Pittsburgh etc... but it requires you to initiate the contact. What we see during the regular season now is more and more “zone hockey” with sticks in lanes and less challenging the shooter. It’s as if the players just aren’t committed during 82 any longer. But rivalries are now like the Red Sox and the Yankees. Yeah it exists, but if we are being real? Is it passionate enough that players are taking numbers and circling the date? Not really..

E


Wed Dec 13 2017 12:09 pm EST

Stop touching yourselves... AV ain’t leaving unless he has lost the team. He hasn’t.

E


Wed Dec 13 2017 10:53 am EST

RF4L - I wanted AV gone long ago..and sytill do...Thier current record and how they do tonight means little to me..the fact that they his approach ahs gone stale, has choked gthe last few years, and willl never ever win a Cup for the Rangers is why he should be gone...but, unfortunately, that will only happen (maybe) after the season..

Hospo


Wed Dec 13 2017 10:46 am EST

So if the Sens beat the Rangers tonight, who's on board for having AV fired right after?

rf4l


Wed Dec 13 2017 9:36 am EST

E - It's not the lack of fights that bothers me at all..Yeah, I love them, but I Have come to terms that they are being eradicated....But it's the total lack of phyiscality, aggressiveness, competitive hate thaat I see every night in Ranger games (and so many more in the East) that it just makes me not want to watch or care..It was like that last year..Thank god, the game changes or changeed a little in the POs..But, during the regular season there seems to be a No touch no hitting mutal agreement

Hospo


Wed Dec 13 2017 12:38 am EST

HOSPO: Lets put it this way. If the Anaheim Ducks didn't have this useless dreck Liambas on their team, they would have almost no fighting majors either. This is the NHL. I'd say we are seeing a more physical entertaining brand of hockey out here but honestly? For our differences we agree on the kind of hockey we like to see. That game doesn't exist. It was tough guys, then it was team tough, then it was the refs call everything and hockey is boring. My theory for as crazy at it can be I'd like to see a big ice put in. Because frankly, if its going to be a skill game only Id like the players to have the space to exploit those skills. More and more hockey is starting to look like playing hackey sack in a living room with so many people you can't move.

E


Tue Dec 12 2017 11:15 pm EST

Good for him...why talk to the effin media after getting embarrassed?

Hospo


Tue Dec 12 2017 11:06 pm EST

LOL...BJs get blown out by Edmonton and Tort has a 5 second post game presser! LOL...

rf4L


Tue Dec 12 2017 10:06 pm EST

TD...In regard to ZZ... I'll take 'CTE' for $200, Alex!

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:03 pm EST

And I just noticed we play them tomorrow night ... the NYR had just better win that contest.

Nick


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:01 pm EST

Seeing Ottawa this year makes me pissed off all over again we lost to that fluke collection last year. They had three good weeks against us and Pitt and we coughed up two games in the last minute. Makes me still wanna hurl.

Nick


Tue Dec 12 2017 8:27 pm EST

Now here's an interesting rumour: Whispers popped up late in the stages of Philly's 10 game losing streak that Wayne Simmonds might be available. He's 30 on a good contract that's up summer 19, like MZA and McD. Guess the thinking is if the POs are not gonna happen, trade Simmonds now for the best return. And he's cost a lot, probably comparable to what Gorton would ask for McD if so inclined.

rf4L


Tue Dec 12 2017 8:25 pm EST

Td the problem with that only 9 points out theory is that projected out to the end of the season we could be 20 points out of 1st. It is not like the other top teams will all stop winning. The Buttman's NHL is designed to make just about every team look as though they COULD make a run to top of the division or at least a playoff spot. By now you can get a good feel for what a team will project to win (barring a huge swing because of injuries or trades or other unforeseen things). That is why you have to play the games...

NYStranger


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:33 pm EST

E - The NHL, especially how the Rangers and many teams in the East play, is just a total borefest and watching it is often like sticking needles in your eyes..it just blows...I really don't care about the winning anymore, I just want to be entertained...Can they pick up justt one Russel Crowe Gladiator type? Not that it would matter under AV and how the Rangers like to play...at least in the regualr season.....oh well...

Hospo


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:29 pm EST

TDCHI - All year when people have been calling for trades of players for prospects..my stance has been.."have you guys looked around the NHL, especially the EAST?"..There's nothing greaat and every team is flawed..A healthy Ranger team (with help at the deadline) jsut might have a show with the right strategy and coach..I think thqat soemtimes..Other times I don't think they have a chance going past the 1st rounf..But it sure is way to early to sell or throw in the towel...that's for sure......But there are much bigger issues with the Rangers and the NHL then who wins the East

Hospo


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:11 pm EST

RF4L - Rangers have 35 points. Top team(s) in the league has 44. What the F would they alter course? Again. That's five games out of the President's Trophy. Do I think they'll go that far? Probably not...but let's pump the brakes there bud. Can't necessarily blame them for not trading those guys and not firing AV when that's where you are in the standings.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:09 pm EST

Sad to hear about the passing of Zarley Zalapski, who was a Ranger for one brief moment in his career.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:08 pm EST

RF73: I get that it's tough to fire AV. The Rangers keep making the POs. It's similar to having the gonads to trade McD or MZA. Not going to happen if PO revenue is in sight.

rf4L


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:07 pm EST

Y'all know I try to be a glass-half-full guy with this team, but I don't really get the belly-aching over one bad game. Certainly, there's cause for concern whenever a team gets outplayed that badly over 40 minutes...and I think if there IS cause for alarm, it's that last night serves as further evidence that AV is either bad, unwilling or incapable of changing his tactics on the fly...but to get a performance like that out of PAVELEC? That's huge. The Rangers finding ways to get points at home? Also big. And we're nearing the return of ZIBANANJED...yet the Rangers really haven't slowed much...3-2-1. That's pretty good...Look, I wouldn't disagree that the Rangers need to do something...I mean, the biggest cause for concern in my mind is that the $7.8 million dollar man couldn't find the back of a soccer goal at this point...I agree: Rangers need an energy player with snarl. And they could use someone to nail down the right side not named HOLDEN... but the east is wide open. And when this team keeps beating the top teams in the league...well...I guess I'm not ready to be pessimistic. We've come a long way from the awful first 10 games and the digging they've done has brought them within two wins from the top of the division, and five from the top in the NHL. Hard to bitch about that after the start we had.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 6:58 pm EST

HOSPO: emotion? Anywhere? crickets... The NHL at its very worst. Ive seen more contact at an NBA game.

E


Tue Dec 12 2017 6:30 pm EST

Alas, after 2+ years I see no reason to believe anything will change, short of some sort of massive trade which has about a .0005% chance of happening. The POs are of course, possible and so is making it into round 2. I cannot see anything more than that and it's quite possible no POs at all. If the latter happens, will it finally mean the end of AV? If so, silver lining and all that.

rf4L


Tue Dec 12 2017 5:35 pm EST

If they make the playoffs which is hardly a given, this team will go out in first round....The sloppy play and turnovers will be a disaster that time of year....

PJ


Tue Dec 12 2017 4:07 pm EST

AV has a number of “get out of jail free” cards…watch any game and they constantly run the crawls with all the platitudes about him and his regular season coaching record…there is no way that he is fired before the end of the season unless the team completely collapses (as it did to start the season) between now and the end of March…However, when he holds true to form and sh!tz the bed with his playoff coaching prowess (if they even make it) it will give Gorton the clearance from Clarence to finally put him / us out of our misery.

RF73


Tue Dec 12 2017 3:26 pm EST

TD: It was an awful game by HAYES last night, no doubt. And really he has played very well over the last 6 to 8 weeks. The points may not be there but he is created great chances every game and is playing good two way hockey. He wasn't alone last night either. Maybe that game acts as a wakeup call going into the next 10 days. I really hope it does because if last night is an example of how they are going to play over the next few weeks they will most likely put themselves out of the playoffs for good this year. And AV will be back on the hot-seat.... Part of me thinks that might not be a bad thing but it is a small part. The entire league is so wide open this year. If this team can get its act together and maybe add a player or two their chances are as good as anyone's.

Vic


Tue Dec 12 2017 2:58 pm EST

Hipcheck and Hospo I completely agree, just boring. It's interesting how they have to use footage from years or decades ago to hype the Wednesday night rivalry games.

Ref24


Tue Dec 12 2017 1:15 pm EST

PJ - As has been said, Perimiter Pansy Pond Hockey at its ugliest..And while it may not be pretty and schnazzy, they do so much better when when they get a little dirty and defensively responible (not physical, mind you) and rely on counter attack and the PP...Maybe they are waiting for Zbad the Magnificient and his PP wand to return before playing that way again??

Hospo


Tue Dec 12 2017 12:52 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 10m10 minutes ago The assistant general manager of the New York Rangers. Outstanding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzbVjjOG7o&sns=tw … via @youtube

stevielegs


Tue Dec 12 2017 12:30 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay Mika Zibanejad skating as a spare at prax

stevielegs


Tue Dec 12 2017 12:22 pm EST

Not sure how anyone could watch that game and not be disgusted...Total lack of effort...How many cross ice passes were they going to make before they realized they don't work...Drop passes to nowhere and an absolute mess in their own end....Sometimes the stick checking doesn't work and you have to knock someone on their ass.....If McD isn't healthy he needs to stay out until he is...

PJ


Tue Dec 12 2017 10:01 am EST

Stevie - It is indeed the "unit of 5" regarding the D...when the forwards don't focus on D and just want to get out of ths zone instead of helping, this team finds itself in alot of trouble..More AV than Ruff

Hospo


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:44 am EST

The nyr d game is going to kill their goalies . Is ruff really in charge of the d corps? The units of 5 are not close to being in sync. And the goalies get blamed for softies while they stand on their heads and do their seal routine on the ice flip flopping away. Captain mcdoodie parmenter needs to step up or get packaged with Nash et al ... if this guy is really injured and needs surgery, he needs to gyfo of the lineup. He seems to think the nyr can’t survive without him, and he plays the hero card while being a detriment. And his coach agrees because mcdoodie is a brown nose . He bags in the players any chance he gets. He’s not a leader.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:36 am EST

PAGEAU is also a Faceoff winning machine

mf


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:33 am EST

MelFred: Exactamente' was thinking the same thing yesterday, Pavelec put on a performance we had not yet seen of him.... Andrei, good point about the 3 games in 4 nights, I'm not a fan of 3 in 4 unless the opponent has a like schedule, I think it could lead to unnecessary injuries.....

mf


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:12 am EST

Brendan LEMIEUX is another. Doubt the Jets are hot to trot on selling any of their kids, but man, just about every other player on Manitoba is one the Rangers could use...Jack ROSLOVIC is an absolute beast...Still always like JC LIPON...and Nic PETAN is another.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:08 am EST

Vic - re: High energy players...It's one of the reasons this team should really look into PAGEAU, if in fact he's on the market.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:06 am EST

Obviously the Rangers were lucky to get one point out of that one and that point belongs to PAVELEC, for sure...But...I disagree that they looked 'disinterests' or passionless. Or that they played bad...The ran into a tough opponent that was able to maintain a VERY strong forecheck through two periods. The Stars essentially did a lot of what the Sens did to the Rangers in the playoffs...every time a Ranger got the puck, there was a Stars player up in his face. They took speed right out of the game...and worse, they scared the Rangers back into some nasty old habits, namely this over-thinking over-passing game...It's easy to look at the shots and crab about the game...but a lot of those shots weren't quality. The Rangers did a VERY good job of pushing Dallas to the outside and keeping the lines of sight open for PAVELEC...it's one of the reasons a lot of those shots were saves...and before anyone gets too bent about this game, recognize that SEGUIN, BENN, KLINGBERG and RADULOV literally had HALF the Stars' shots and were held to a single point: An assist by Benn on HONKA'S goal...that's not too shabby...My biggest complaint with last night was the Rangers, when they did maintain possession...and when the Stars' forecheck slowed -there's no way a team maintains that kind of aggressive forecheck for 60 minutes --they decided to play this stupid Globetrotters passing game...no urgency to get shots on LEHTONEN...no urgency to get the puck to the net. I'll pick out one usual suspect: Kevin HAYES. I seriously want to kick the cat every time he got the puck last night...aside from being a turnover machine, when he finally did start getting scoring chances, he was all pass. Pass, pass, pass...not even a thought about shooting. Which is ridiculous, because he's got a very good shot...but after 40-plus minutes of getting stymied by the Stars' forecheck, it's what the whole team was doing. Like they forgot how to play a north-south game...anyway, I think it was a fun game to watch --especially from the third on. Glad they got a point, but AV needs to recognize the game the Stars played last night is this team's kryptonite.

tdchi


Tue Dec 12 2017 9:02 am EST

Looks like we have ourselves a Backup Goalie.....as for that effort last night, well hopefully a one off.

melvillefred


Tue Dec 12 2017 8:46 am EST

Hospo, -- Totally agree, unwatchable. I've tried, really tried but this is just flat out boring hockey. Hits are accidental to nonexistent, fighting, oh yeah right! Passion, grit, jam, effort, battles in front of the net, oh please! 2017 NHL hockey may interest some, but to me (even when the Rangers are winning) is not the game I have loved watching the majority of my life. Very disheartening. -- Luckily at 48 I still play a ton, so I get my fill, but as for the Rangers/NHL, pathetic!

hipcheck


Tue Dec 12 2017 8:14 am EST

andrei: Yes, that's a valid point but what the Rangers did yesterday was play disinterested for over 2/3s of the game. They usually are guilty of that for about 1/3 and that's often the first 1/3. Until/unless it's addressed it's gonna be a long fight to make the POs and then if they do, they'll be bounced early.

rf4L


Tue Dec 12 2017 8:05 am EST

We should start a fan petition to bring back the Tie. Not that Bettman or the NHL owner would care what the fans want, but let's go back to 5 minutes of OT and then NO shoot out.

Rhet0ric


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:50 am EST

ANDREI: Yeah, I tend to agree. There will be nights when you just don't have it. What concerns me is that the 3 in 4 nights is just the opener to a crap-ton of games over the next 10 days. If they are gassed already this is going to be a rough 10 days. STEVIE: 40 Minutes??? I thought it was more like 55 minutes. They really didn't start moving their feet until about 5 or 6 minutes to go. But all night long they were beaten to every loose puck, out-hustled, out-worked and just flat out-played. They couldn't make or receive a pass and even the weird bounces seemed to end up on the stick of one of the Stars. I wasn't expecting a point out of the game so you take it and move on. But this team needs some high-energy players. They really don't have any.

Vic


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:33 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 9h9 hours ago NYR without Mika Zibanejad: Somehow 3-2-1

stevielegs


Tue Dec 12 2017 7:32 am EST

Pavelec stars. Rest of club? An absolutely deadly first 40 minutes. Zuccarello: "They smacked us around and we didn't win one battle. Getting something out of this game was all Pav."More Zuke: "I think everyone felt embarrassed about the first two periods, how we competed, and how we handled ourselves."

stevielegs


Tue Dec 12 2017 3:45 am EST

Pavelik look good tonight. lucky to get a point. Not sure if Hankie would have played better. I know we all want team to be ready to play every night. Unfortunately, this is not a PS4 game. Team played 3rd game in 4 nights. They just did not have it, and not because they were lazy. This is a new NHL where team can win or loose any given night. There will be night like this, where you just need few days to recoup. Hopefully, they will better on Wednesday....

andrei


Tue Dec 12 2017 2:21 am EST

Even the pacifist Wings and the Panthers were hating each other all over the ice..with three major fights.....Remember Micheal Haley?...still kicking around for the Panthers..And we're left with the shit nutless perimeter game of AV every damn night..I swear He probably talks to the other caoch before every game and asks if they can play a non hitting no hurtsie game..

Hospo


Mon Dec 11 2017 11:58 pm EST

and then make them swim laps with their skates on......

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 11:03 pm EST

and then run them on the beach with their skates on, fucking pansies

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 11:00 pm EST

Pavelec with a point...That was one pathetic effort...Would skate them till they drop tomorrow but that won't happen....

PJ


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:48 pm EST

50+% of the problem is AV

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:47 pm EST

I only watched here and there but gee..another boring game where the Rangers were unprepared to play..the point is irrelevant..when Jasper Fast i usually your meanest and most physical player, you got a team nit worth watching all that much..nor will it ha ve any chance come the POs

Hospo


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:13 pm EST

Nyr at home are in holiday mode... shopping and spending away ... no time for work

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:10 pm EST

Grabner should be out in OT every chance they get -instead of Lazy Haze

PUCKYOU


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:07 pm EST

And now way should Shitty, I mean Shatty and Dey-are-may shoot before Buch...idiots

NCRanger


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:06 pm EST

Ugly game by the Rangers!! So many games they come out disinterested and no fight in many of these guys, save Zuc and Miller on occasion. I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm missing Torts these days. Despite the shitty style of game he incorporates, he always ensures guys show up with passion in their game or holds them accountable. Hey AV...as Blue would say...Just ring the bell you fu@$in pansy! Looking forward to his firing. This may be the softest Ranger team that I can remember...oy vey

NCRanger


Mon Dec 11 2017 10:03 pm EST

What moron picks the shooters in the shootout?

Bob


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:50 pm EST

Phuck u AV for allowing this team to show up disinterested/unprepared/what-the-phuck-ever for almost every game. It's truly inexcusable.

rf4L


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:49 pm EST

Nyr get the parity point... their goalies are target practice

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:48 pm EST

Rangers didn't deserve a point, other than Pavelec, who was superb.

rf4L


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:46 pm EST

Fuck you Spezza

rangerlou


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:45 pm EST

Not sure about shootout folks....dont we have any goal scorers??????

rngrsans


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:45 pm EST

PAV is as bad as Hank in the shootout. Not that we had many good shots on goal either.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:44 pm EST

uGH..... Where is Buch?

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:43 pm EST

That was awful Pav, followed up by a Dud-r-nais

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:42 pm EST

That was a little bizarre, but i'll take it.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:42 pm EST

David vs Goliath: 1 nothing David

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:41 pm EST

VIC: actually, the Rangers were very efficient tonight, they worked for less than 10 minutes and come away with the point... Pavelec worked a full 60..

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:41 pm EST

McDonagh should have season ending surgery. There is no way he is over that injury. He looks like half a player.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:41 pm EST

Wow....that was an awesome OT! I'd rather they just keep playing 3 on 3 then do the stupid skills contest.

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:40 pm EST

The Three Stars of the Game go to, Pavelec

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:35 pm EST

We need speed in OT, not Kevin Hayes.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:32 pm EST

Well, that is one undeserved point. Can they get another?????

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:29 pm EST

Hold your breath for a minute time coming.

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:29 pm EST

Nice fired up response to the goal!!

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:27 pm EST

With 3:41 left in the game, what knucklehead on Dallas decided to challenge that?

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:27 pm EST

Big Dick Rash GOOAAALLL

rangerlou


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:26 pm EST

Thought you would like that one LOU...

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:25 pm EST

If this gets overturned this league is a joke....

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:24 pm EST

Lololol

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:24 pm EST

That was a $95,000 screen of the goalie

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:20 pm EST

The only way AV gets fired is if the Rangers get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round again… Assuming they make the playoffs.

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:19 pm EST

Surprise surprise...1/2 thru the 3rd and the Rangers appear semi interested...

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:18 pm EST

Vic...Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

rangerlou


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:13 pm EST

I know Im guilty too sometimes, but why do people expect the Rangers to be ready for games. Most of the games they don't show up till 2nd or 3rd period....The worst thing that happened was the turn around cause now AV will never get fired.

rngrsans


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:11 pm EST

The only thing worse then the Rangers performance tonight is that MSG Hockey Show.......

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:10 pm EST

Zuke taking on 2 to the point where Nosen actually calls out the non response by the Rangers. FIRE AV!!!

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:10 pm EST

Leave it to The Captain Mc zero...Abominable blow man!

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:08 pm EST

Mf...post Kreider stats...

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:07 pm EST

And ugly start to the 3rs period. Guess other than the goalie no one cares about this game.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:05 pm EST

RICK NASHLESS: a little over 12 minutes TOI, Zero SOG's.... all for $95,000 per game

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:58 pm EST

Been an ugly 40 minutes......

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:54 pm EST

Steo...not a single Ranger forward has been engaged so far.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:41 pm EST

The rule for the 3rd should be you will be bench a shift for passing up a shot. This is ridiculous. Hayes is the worst offender

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:40 pm EST

Haha......Captain Kangaroo. Very good

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:39 pm EST

House of cards....

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:37 pm EST

Bob Keeshan… Captain kangaroo

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:36 pm EST

Man that Hitchcock looks like a creepy undertaker.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:35 pm EST

Agreed… Giving him a little bit of a taste of what Hank has to go through on a lot of nights

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:33 pm EST

Except for the goalie who's been superb.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:32 pm EST

Pavs keeping us in this

rangerlou


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:30 pm EST

The whole team could be demoted based on their play tonight

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:28 pm EST

Nieves looking to be demoted...

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:26 pm EST

Just standing still in D zone, not covering the points ala Torts days

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:24 pm EST

Looks like a 29 minute power play for Dallas so far… Interrupted with a two-man advantage for a short period of time

rf73


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:22 pm EST

Rangers look comatose

rangerlou


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:18 pm EST

Nearly 1/2 thru the game and a measly 6 Ranger shots. Nice.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:14 pm EST

Prediction: AV = no cup.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:14 pm EST

His first of the year ...figures

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:13 pm EST

Honka Dory

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:12 pm EST

Good pk work

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:11 pm EST

What no douche Shane ?

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:01 pm EST

We need Borowieki from the Sens :)

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:53 pm EST

Senators: IMO they need a new gameplan or coach, not a fire-sale....

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:48 pm EST

Step....nada with that coach!!

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:46 pm EST

16 to 5 are the shots. Same ols same old.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:43 pm EST

Ritchie running around gonna hurt someone..... If we had a coach with balls he would send Krieds out there with instructions to demolish him but.............

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:37 pm EST

Ooh...a Kreider sighting!!

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:25 pm EST

Gee what a surprise...Rangers being outshot 9 2.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 11 2017 7:21 pm EST

Supposedly, Ottawa is just about ready to write off this season as a rebuild year and start liquidating assets. Rumor going around the net is they asked KARLSSON and others on the team with NTC’s for their list of teams...which is a little crazy, if you ask me...but anyway, some bloggers are suggesting we land BRASSARD back. Will probably come somewhat cheap, since his deal is expiring in another year...another player who would probably come cheap as hell would be Bobby RYAN. In fact, the Sens would probably give him away if they could, since his contract is over the top for a guy who has had and continues to have declining production...the guy I’d be most interested in though is JG PAGEAU. He is pretty much everything the Rangers need up front. Not sure what he’d cost, but he’d be a perfect addition. Guy was balls-out in the playoffs last year. And just a nails player who would add some grit to this team.

tdchi


Mon Dec 11 2017 4:33 pm EST

Irving moofman no thanx ...I'm not a fan of white flags.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 12:41 pm EST

Ondrej Pavelec is confirmed as the Ranger's starter for tonight's match up against Dallas

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 12:17 pm EST

Here's a timely piece on "not tanking." ""Fans have an obsession with tanking for a high lottery pick, thinking it is the correct strategy for all rebuilding clubs. When Knicks GM Scott Perry met with the media Saturday in Chicago, he sent a message to fans — and his players. No tanks."" https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/only-one-way-for-knicks-to-keep-kristaps-porzingis-around/

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 12:14 pm EST

Look, I don't think anyone is going to argue that drafting generational talents like CROSBY, KANE, TOEWS, MATTHEWS and McDAVID is a bad strategy for building a contender. You'd have to be a fool to say that. But there are teams that think simply by drafting a generational talent or two, they can pretty much cruise to a cup. And that's just not the case. We've seen Edmonton and the Isles(two name just two)spin their wheels FOR YEARS because they thought drafting high would simply make them a dynasty. And I'm STILL not convinced that either franchise has seen the error of their ways...You need to build a team. Getting a generational talent gives you a huge shove in the right direction...but it also comes with all kinds of pitfalls, namely that once said talent is in the system, there's suddenly an expectation to succeed. The Oil and the Isles have never had a front office that knew its ass from its elbow. They go 'no frills' at times when they need to go marquis. I mention the goaltenders for each...like...when the Oilers traded for TALBOT...they could have very easily grabbed Martin JONES...and had they decided to make HALL available at the time, there's a good chance they could have gotten an even better tender...Ditto with the Isles...they let Ryan STROME devalue and devalue...when if they had moved him two years ago, they might have a solid netminder, not two bargain bin castoffs...And the Oil with defense. You mean to tell me the organization couldn't have traded the picks that landed them YAKUPOV and/or HOPKINS to get someone to anchor their defense? Yet time and time again, they go dumpster diving...SEKERA, FERENECE, REINHHART and now LARSSON to name a few. None of those guys fit the bill for what they needed...and yet teams like the Preds have landed a guy like SUBBAN...The Isles built their defense strong within, but they too lack the type of talent one would expect to lead a team to the cup...So back to the winners...you strip away the marquis talent drafted by tanking from the multiple cup winners...and then you see what an impressive support system they built to surround those players...the Kings would have gone no where without grabbing Jeff CARTER, Mike RICHARDS and to a degree, GABORIK...Pens, after one cup, floundered until they landed HAGELIN, SCHULTZ, and most importantly, KESSEL...The Hawks are the one team that MIGHT have won the cup by tanking alone...but still, without literally stealing Patrick SHARP from the Flyers and signing HOSSA to that illegal contract, do you think they would have won three? Definitely not...so the umbrage that I take with the folks that say 'tank tank tank' is that doing so is basically rolling the dice...for every CROSBY and KANE, there's a YAKUPOV and STEFAN. And, as the Rangers learned, being flat-out awful doesn't even guarantee you that crucial first-overall pick thanks to the lottery...and instead of MALKIN or OVEHCKIN, you can just as easily end up with Al MONTOYA...or instead of CROSBY, Marc STAAL.

tdchi


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:45 am EST

Good for Letteiri..Showing he can excel, at least offensively, in the AHL..Rangers made right choice in sending him down to learn and get better...That's half the job..the other half is if he can do anything in the NHL when it matters.....Only one way to find out

Hospo


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:32 am EST

Vic therein lies the problems and solutions....along with the stars in alignment, and the hockey gods blessings .....along with good luck, chemistry etc et al..... and especially a good playoff coach, which so far seems not to be the case...

stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:16 am EST

RF4L: No surprise for me on LETTIERI. I thought he was the best Ranger in camp and preseason (yes, even better then CHEETOS). I won't bag on CAREY because he has been decent in his role. And when ZBAD gets back I have to believe it will be CAREY that will be the black ace again or at least sharing that role with DEHARNAIS. If they were going to do that to LETTIERI it is just as well he stays in Hartford all year and plays big, meaningful minutes every night.

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:13 am EST

RF4L: You know we have been on the same page on the way to build for the last 10+ years. Opponents of building through the draft after bottoming out for a few years love to point out the teams that don't win a Cup after doing that. What they don't take into account is that there are 6 to 8 teams that are built that way who are competing for a Cup in any given year. If one of those teams wins a Cup (or multiple as in the case of Chicago, LA, Pens, etc.) they ignore that in favor of their example of failure. Only one team can with the Cup in any given year. I don't think there can be an ounce of doubt that since the Cap era began the single best way to build a Cup team is to bottom out for several years and draft generational players in the top few picks in those years. That strategy, coupled with shrewd drafting and excellent asset management is still the best way to win a Cup. But it doesn't guarantee you anything and it never did. You have to get lucky to be drafting in the years that generational players are available and you have to have excellent asset management and salary management over a 5 to 10 year period to win Cups.

Vic


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:09 am EST

rf that's what happens with number 1 picks received from tanking...pay now or pay later..no team can afford too many.....how many of those pick players have they traded away ? .....and sather gave them the prince for chump change....."Cam Talbot trade by sending him and the 209th pick to the Edmonton Oilers for the 57th, 79th and 184th picks in the draft. It's not the first-round pick they were apparently looking for, but getting three picks for a backup goalie is a pretty solid haul for the Rangers. Talbot doesn't have much of an NHL track record at this point (and he is already 28) but his limited experience in the league has been extremely promising, including his work this past season when he filled in for injured starter Henrik Lundqvist."....now you think they are ripe for a trade.....?......

stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 9:02 am EST

Pack won last night and Lettieri will 2 goals and an assist. Gotta figure he's gonna get a call-up before too long.

rf4L


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:29 am EST

stevie: The lack of skilled wingers in Edmonton isn't cap related. It's (mis)management related. Draisital, who is making an incredible $8,500,000, was invisible. Precisely the sort of mismanagement I'm referring to. I'm not saying Drais sucks but giving him that contract coming off an ELC is just plain stupidity. They did the same thing with Eberle, Hall and RNH but despite a complete regime change, made the same boneheaded mistake with Drais. It'll be next year when the Oilers start feeling the cap pinch because McDavid's 2nd contract ($13,000,000) kicks in, meaning 2 players will be eating up over 1/4 of their cap.

rf4L


Mon Dec 11 2017 8:14 am EST

Hospo: Opponents of bottoming out continually point to the failures of organizations like the Islanders and Oilers but conveniently neglect to acknowledge the fact that the last several cups were won by teams with key players drafted in the top 5 - Pittsburgh, LA and Chicago with Crosby, Malkin, Doughty, Toews and Kane. The Rangers don't have a single skater to match the calibre of those players (Nash was supposed to be just that but we know how that turned out). The King is of that calibre but as we've painfully seen, if you cannot score timely goals, it matters not how good your goalie is in the end.

rf4L


Mon Dec 11 2017 6:32 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Damien Cox‏ @DamoSpin 11h11 hours ago Hockey http://fights.com says NHL fighting down another 27% this season. Now, only 18% of NHL games have a fight. #almostthere

stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 6:32 am EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/gretzky-even-1984-85-oilers-team-bumps-road-success/

stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 6:00 am EST

Now the oilers don’t have enough talented forwards? ... lol.. they traded them away because like many teams they can’t afford them with the cap. Only the nyy can have an all star team because baseball is smart enough to have a luxury tax. ... could it be their gm and coach aren’t getting the job done properly? ... the old story of losing is the players fault, winning is the gm and coach.... but they had enough money to sign lucic....guess they need to tank some more to replace who they traded away to rebuild again and again..,.

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 11 2017 1:17 am EST

"Abdsoluley" :-)

mf


Mon Dec 11 2017 12:52 am EST

RF4L - Which is exacty why I said.."that there's more than one way to buid a winning (or losing!) orgnaizatio"..comes down to astute mangaing and player evaluation no matter how you do it

Hospo


Sun Dec 10 2017 11:12 pm EST

Hospo: Yes I know you and TD and all those who oppose bottoming out love to make that point. So if that's the measuring stick (cup wins), the Rangers choice of cup building is equally unsuccessful.

rf4L


Sun Dec 10 2017 11:01 pm EST

RF4L - Yep, like the Islanders, look where all those glorious draft picks have gotten the Oilers...What it shows is that there's more than one way to buid a winning (or losing!) orgnaizatio and it's all about player evaluatiom and team composition, be it a team filled of kids, vets or both...

Hospo


Sun Dec 10 2017 10:47 pm EST

Watched the Leafs beat Edmonton 1 0 tonight. The Oilers are so lacking top 6 forwards. McDavid was great, setting up his mates all night but too many bottom 6 forwards blowing those set-ups. They could be ripe for the trading rip-off if Gorton is willing...

rf4L


Sun Dec 10 2017 6:46 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info‏Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 8h8 hours ago Since Oct. 26, the Rangers lead the NHL in goal differential (plus-22; 73-51), are tied for the NHL lead in wins (14), and rank second in the NHL (and lead the Eastern Conference) in points percentage (.737).

stevielegs


Sun Dec 10 2017 6:44 pm EST

guess they do mirror the nyr ..."....IMO, and if he had a better D in front of him, I think the Pack would be racking up wins."....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 10 2017 4:14 pm EST

Great stuff TD

Ola


Sun Dec 10 2017 3:06 pm EST

TD...not saying 1 for 1 but Habs want offense. From an established foreatd. So something like Hayes for Gal and a 2nd rounder is what might get Montreal's interest.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 10 2017 1:07 pm EST

RF4L - surprise surprise: I Totally disagree. The Canadiens have bottomed out GALCHENYUK’s value. You don’t go around saying a guy has a drug problem, benching him in games and still expect to get a haul for trading him. You can argue that NASH wouldn’t accept a deal to Montreal and I don’t think you’d be entirely wrong. But a young top 6 player? Nope. Most they’re going to get for him is a first rounder and a prospect.

tdchi


Sun Dec 10 2017 1:02 pm EST

You want Gal better be prepared to offer up MZA or Hayes or Miller.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 10 2017 1:01 pm EST

There's a less than zero's chance of Nash approving a trade to Montreal arguably the most pressure packed hockey city in the world.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 10 2017 12:41 pm EST

TD et al: PETER HOLLAND potted 2 in last nights Pack 3-2 victory:.. http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/wolf-pack-105

mf


Sun Dec 10 2017 12:29 pm EST

TD, TD, TD, "Has Nash not said that he would Not accept a trade to a Canadian team? Has something changed?" And as far as sending GALCHENYUK's remains "to the sun," get hip young man.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtLX_MfqvGc

mf


Sun Dec 10 2017 12:28 pm EST

Hied down to Providence for the Pack's 4-3 shootout loss to the P-Bruins Friday...I guess the most surprising thing for me was how good they looked. The Bruins are a very talented team that lost a number of good players to the big club. They came into the game sixth overall in the AHL, and the Pack played them very well. Controlled long stretches of the game and 40 seconds away from a win when the Bruins just overloaded them to send it to OT...In truth, they controlled pretty much the whole game aside from a two-minute stretch in the second where Bruins racked up two quick goals...GEORGIEV played a very good game(35 saves on 38 shots), IMO, and if he had a better D in front of him, I think the Pack would be racking up wins... GRAVES' shot is absolutely incredible. Not sure what the plan is with him, but he can crank it. Slid into the top of the circle and laser beamed one in for the first Pack goal...Shouldn't come as any surprise that the Pack play a game that very closely mirrors the Rangers. They are all about puck possession. And when they have it, they're very effective of keeping it down low...but it's when they don't...man...Peter HOLLAND...I was bagging on this guy all game because he seemed to be loafing out there...but each time I did, the guy would pull some sort of million-dollar play out of his ass. I thought he had the go-ahead-goal, but apparently SCHNIEDER tipped it in...but no doubt, the guy has a lot of talent. One of the guys who was quite clearly NHL-level...No CHYTIL, which was no surprised....DeANGELO had a couple of helpers and didn't look bad...but again...this is a guy who many had spending the full year in the NHL. I expected a little more...In the no-real-surprise, LETTIERI is a ball of energy. Something happens whenever he's on the ice...Another guy I liked was KOSMACHUK. If we're talking about adding sandpaper to the lineup, he's your guy. Plays a very physical game. But I couldn't really pick anyone in the lineup who I'd pull to put him in. That goes for CAREY too...Ditto with FONTAINE. Certainly, there are some scrubs on Hartford. But it's a good young team. No where near as bad as their record suggests. Holland was a very good pickup for them...and if ZIBANAJED is out for a while, and/or the Rangers sour on DEHSARNAIS and/or NIEVES hits a rough patch, I could see him getting the call.

tdchi


Sun Dec 10 2017 12:06 pm EST

As crazy as GALCHENYUK-for-NASH sounds, I could actually see the Canadiens doing that if the Rangers sweetened the pot with a draft pick or prospect. This kid is getting traded sometime in the very near future. Montreal not only burned the bridge with this kid, they napalmed it, took the ashes and launched them into the sun...They clearly view him as a bottom line player now and I suspect the only reason Julien plays him at all is because they're attempting to trade him as we speak. I'd offer them Nash and a third rounder.

tdchi


Sun Dec 10 2017 10:35 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/12/09/a-path-to-avoiding-a-fourth-nhl-lockout-is-available/

stevielegs


Sun Dec 10 2017 9:46 am EST

Sam Bennett starting to scorea again. If he was available and Gorton didn't pursue, he made a big mistake. Bennett won't be available now.

rf4L


Sun Dec 10 2017 9:40 am EST

One reason the PP is struggling is the absence of the right handed shooting Z, meaning AV keeps icing a 5-some of lefties. Fast can shoot the puck as we've seen in the past 3 games, so why try him on the PP? Why not try something instead of what AV usually does, which is the same old/same old? Just like last year (and the year before) when he mindlessly kept Stepan on the first unit despite it's lack of success. Definition of insanity and all that.

rf4L


Sun Dec 10 2017 9:31 am EST

Or Zuke is rising his value and creating the perfect storm in terms of being traded.

rf4L


Sun Dec 10 2017 7:24 am EST

by the way zucchini is proving he's all washed up and should be traded....not !.....

stevielegs


Sun Dec 10 2017 6:35 am EST

Irving moofman just think dick rash has increased his trade value by being named the #2 Star last night. And he has helped quickie in his quest to become the next Nyr superstar. While purple haze vies for the #1 center moniker. Zucchini, kid k , and ZBAD should give them a run for their money. With the next two lines doing a good job. If this team stays healthy they’ll be in the playoffs. ... I wonder if fishboy is talking to Nash’s secret Agent ....

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 9 2017 10:45 pm EST

Always nice to beat the Devils....Rangers played a real good game...Bitch as we may the 4 points in the last 3 games is very impressive considering the opposition....

PJ


Sat Dec 9 2017 9:57 pm EST

Nash with 2 helpers tonight & credited with 5 SOG, +/- 0..... "Is the Nash / Hayes / Fast line developing chemistry?

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 9:13 pm EST

Zoo Kee Nee

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 9:07 pm EST

If it wasn’t for dick rash the nyr would be in first. He will score 40 next season on his new team.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:44 pm EST

that long stick of Zucc's comes in handy..good play..great shot

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:37 pm EST

Zoo Kee Nee

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:26 pm EST

Mf...Actually that was a shot on goal attempt by Nash :-)

rf73


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:24 pm EST

There's that chacking line with a dash of offense...great pass by Nash..good shot by Fast...

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:24 pm EST

Fast squared ...

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:23 pm EST

Nash with the helper.... Go Jesper!

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:23 pm EST

Nick -- I know..but it still disgusts me..I stopped watching for a few games it go so bad...will likley do it again like I did last year for a few months...until then..I'll bitch..:)

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:21 pm EST

Nash might be better off playing with the golf clubs he got from the Rangers… Next year when Nash is back in Columbus he will score 40 goals because Tortorella will not use him in a defensive roll like a whole Veenyo does.

rf73


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:21 pm EST

Are these Ranger bradcasters morons or something? Praosing Zuccarello for saving a goal when it was his assinine play at the offesnive blue line that gave the Devils all the chances?

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:19 pm EST

Hospo you pine for days that will not return. Even I notice when I go to my one game a year that if any bodies collide, it was by accident.

Nick


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:46 pm EST

I don't mind that he did not score on that breakaway, I care about the fact that he does NOT make his line-mates better and the fact that his assists have been basically flatline since he morphed into a defensive specialist these last few years... Jusat get him out of here, package him with something (rosper player, prospect,pick)and try to upgrade the RHS defense and get at least a 2nd round pick in return..... Wonder how PIONK from Speonk is progressing?

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:45 pm EST

Didm't the Rangers and Devils used to be rivals and played that Way?..I haven't watched the Devils much this year..but waht a mess...they give up the puck ALOT..another team that trys to be too fancy

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:39 pm EST

MF - After the goal..guy get/earns a breakway...You know the puck isn't going..it's like the Fregosi curse oe something..or sombody hypnotized Nsh NOT to score..

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:35 pm EST

C'mon Hospo, Nash just won a F O

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:22 pm EST

Another good pass by Carey..2nd night in a row..$th line is another phyiscally neitered line..but that was good work...NASH..Unbelievable..

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:11 pm EST

Hope the Devils do some hitting....Long ago gave up on the Rangers

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:10 pm EST

You know things are bad on the farm when the call is for somebody like Vinny Lettieri...CHYTL is the only player of worth down there.........Hmmmm FAST-HAYES-NASH..a good checking line with maybe a dsh of productyion!...

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:08 pm EST

30 first period goals allowed… Most in the NHL… Allowed the first goal in each of the last six games… Really give themselves a chance playing like that

rf73


Sat Dec 9 2017 6:53 pm EST

Game begins shortly...Don't miss the first minute!

RF73


Sat Dec 9 2017 6:44 pm EST

PY: no comprende'...... Trading Nash is easy, promoting Lettieri easy.... Signing an UFA returning to the NHL to Broadway may not be difficult either.... Not following your sarcasm

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 5:43 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 36m36 minutes ago More Good news on Zibanejad (concussion). Skated on his own three of last four days, per AV. Not cleared for prax yet.

RDW


Sat Dec 9 2017 5:31 pm EST

MF- after seeing that trade, why don’t we try getting McDavid for Carey and our 4th and 5th best prospects. Seems easy the way the yanks do it.

PUCKYOU


Sat Dec 9 2017 5:09 pm EST

https://twitter.com/halfordtsn/status/939613618085040129

PUCKYOU


Sat Dec 9 2017 3:38 pm EST

And with my proposals, there's NO room for Mr. Nash on the line-up

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 3:37 pm EST

Rebuilding on the fly: Get Nash the "F" out of here, add whatever to the deal, trade for a Defenseman and possibly a draft pick.... With Andersson & Chytil coming up the pyke next season and or the year after, AND since AV-Froggy finally moved MILLER to The Middle (can we dust off some of VIC's, Hospo's, and a few other Wallster's posts from before the season began?)we should NOT trade Nash for a pivot...... Promote the RHS LETTIERI already for crying out kittens, and in the off-season I'm signing the RHS ILYA KOVULCHUK...... This would make 4 RHS Forwards (I'd like a 5th, but this is a good start) and "IF" ANDERSSON or CHYTIL OR BOTH manage to crack the line-up, it may force Phish-Boy Gorton to trade away a fan-fave in Zucc, or Hayes; CAREY would almost certainly be gone or back in Hartford..... lots of options and moves at that point......

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 3:26 pm EST

JIMMY Silverspoon DOLAN, "PLEASE SELL THE RANGERS TO THE STEINBRENNERS!" https://nypost.com/2017/12/09/yankees-have-a-deal-in-place-for-giancarlo-stanton/

mf


Sat Dec 9 2017 1:52 pm EST

Admittedly I thought Nash would age more like a Shayne Doan did. Just a good all around player as his offensive skills faded. But while I’ve seen him do a lot of stick lifting on the back check which is always good I’m just not seeing the vision, the guy who will force his to the front of the net. That guy just doesn’t seem to be there. I’m not so interested in deadline dealing him. History has shown us that guys like this find it in the post season even though his reputation as a post season player is mixed if I’m being generous. But there might be something left in tank for last push. And that guy I can use way more then some 5-pick drafting a guy who has an outstanding career in the ECHL coming his way. Either way Nash has his contract coming off the books.

E


Sat Dec 9 2017 1:15 pm EST

If this is NASH...let's just consider him a 2nd-3rd line interchangable forward and move on becasue he has zero trade value and there is no need to extend...Maybe at the deadline the Rngers can get a 5th rounder for him when he has little left on his contract...It's a shame what his game has devolved to especially when you see he still has some talent...weird case

Hospo


Sat Dec 9 2017 12:15 pm EST

For all the knocking of Nash lately, remember that this is him playing for his new contract, Beast mode. In other words, y'all haven't been ripping him enough!

LeoS


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:49 am EST

Oh and I guess that torrid PP stretch that seems so long ago now was a fluke - their PP is back to being crappy as it has been for more years.

rf4L


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:48 am EST

Vic: I didn't see the game but disinterested straights have become the Ranger MO - it's been going on for 2+ years now. Given that I see no reason to expect it to change until/unless the coach goes.

rf4L


Sat Dec 9 2017 8:47 am EST

A rather important game tonight, I think. The Rangers are now 3 points out of the 2nd wild card spot but do have 2 games in hand (on Pittsburgh). The latter, however, means nothing if you cannot capitalize on them. And FWIW, I don't think when the POs roll around, it'll be the Penguins outside looking in. That teams knows how to win when it's required (not necessarily predicting a 3rd consecutive cup mind you). So who do they catch? Likely not Columbus. LIkely not Washington. So the Islanders or NJ. Philly BTW, after a very crappy stretch, is back on the rails with 3 straight wins and now are 3 points back of the Rangers. What a dog fight.

rf4L


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:27 am EST

I've never seen a team so unprepared to start games as this one. I just don't understand it. They need to make some changes to their pregame routines. Maybe they need to do some short sprints before they put on their skates. Maybe just mill around the hallways checking each other against the walls before coming out. They need to do something to get their adrenaline up. They need to get their legs moving and blood flowing. They look unconscious when they start these games. You can't spot the other team a goal or two in the NHL and expect to win many games. If they miss the playoffs I think it will come down to all of these games where they basically that they dug themselves such a deep hole before they even started playing.

Vic


Sat Dec 9 2017 7:22 am EST

PJ: On that third goal I have to disagree. The reason that 3rd goal happens is because the Rangers fall in love with the damn home run pass. They play lazy hockey instead of working the puck up the ice. On that play SHATTENKIRK is behind the net with the puck. Instead of two or 3 Rangers coming back and providing support and passing options they run the "everyone go long play". There was only one other Rangers (besides HANK) in the defensive zone along the opposite boards (covered by a Cap). The next closest Ranger was the guy that SHATTENKIRK was trying to hit with the pass who would have received that pass near the red line. WILSON did a great job of knocking that out of the air and then the Rangers were in real trouble as they had nobody back to defend. What really sucks is that HANK bailed them out initially and then they blew the chance to clear the puck. But it all happens because they didn't attack as a unit and they fled the zone looking for offense instead of playing a structured game.

Vic


Sat Dec 9 2017 6:48 am EST

are the nyr a d first team or an o first team ? .....i thought quickie was going to be a good o player 2 years ago, then he became a d first player . dick rash has become a d first player....what are the coaches' instructions d first, with speed transition...or o first and then get back to the house and play d when they give up possession.....???????.....as presently constructed this should be an o first team......d first is boring.....they need to be a lot more physical.....the coach learned zilch from the playoffs against the habnots....that's the team and game the nyr should be playing ......not this junk they are playing.....

stevielegs


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:21 pm EST

I was hoping for a split with the Pens and Caps but really disappointed we couldn't get a point tonight....Played a great second period...Need a win tomorrow night....

PJ


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:16 pm EST

Shatty with a bad play on the third goal....Forward didn't help but not a good clearing pass with nobody near you....McD gets smoked on the last goal and that is it....After we killed the penalty(horrible call on Smith) I though we would win this game...Just bad play with 3 minutes left....Can't leave the D zone early....Nash does little or nothing and Kreider not a factor in this one either....Not sure we threw one good check in this one...We sure make it easy from a physical standpoint...

PJ


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:16 pm EST

NYStranger - Perimier Pond hockey is exactly how they liek to play..Snoozefest...But not much differnt in most of the East this year..

Hospo


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:10 pm EST

Really spit the bit late on this one. Happy I only had it on I the background because there is zero reason to pay full attention to a team who only plays perimiter pond hockey. This team would be out muscled by mini-me. McZero again perfecting the soft point shot to the goalie's midsection. And Na$h? Again the best player on the ice! Nay! Best player in hockey!

NYStranger


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:05 pm EST

Didn't watch the game & glad I didn't.... IMO NASH & something needs to be traded for a defenseman... If we need to eat some salary, so be it... Then we need to turn around and make another trade for a depth center and or picks.... It's time to get serious about promoting VINNI LETTIERI.....

mf


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:51 pm EST

Hadn't watched the last few games because the Rangers game bores the hell out of me..but thought i'd give them another chance....Big mistake....Watching the Rangers play and watching a Rangers game is like watching paint dry...where's the passion? the physicality? the drive to the net?....ANd, no, I'm not talking Tom Wilson!....That being said...good little comeback wasted by the 4th line and Nieves falling asleep..and then MCD getting beaten like a rented Mule by Tom WIlson...God dothe Rangers need a player like him, if ony for entertainment,,,,,,ANyway..Nice little play by CAREY on the 2nd goal..and some decent perimeter play..but c'mon...Gotta love Nash's patented move from the side boards shielding the puck with his body but staying off the top of the circle and mving further away instead of going to the net...

Hospo


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:49 pm EST

who else hates rick nash in the post game interviews?

richter35


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:40 pm EST

It really is time for a trade. Team is stale, coaches message is stale and the league is still kind of open

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:34 pm EST

Nash… What is he good for… Absolutely nothing… Say it again.

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:31 pm EST

Mac having a baaaad year

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:31 pm EST

McDonagh get beat like a rented mule by Wilson of all people

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:31 pm EST

Game over!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:30 pm EST

A total fucking defensive collapse

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:30 pm EST

Fu

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:29 pm EST

No fucking defense when you need it… Giving up a first goal of the season

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:28 pm EST

Can't blame Lundy for that one

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:18 pm EST

Was that 2 min for pushing??

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:17 pm EST

JESPER FAST!!! I always knew this kid was a good hockey played with high hockey IQ......although... I will never forget it was OLA who said the ceiling is high with this kid....doesnt everybody see why we protected fast instead of lindberg??

richter35


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:13 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper Jasper

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:09 pm EST

We need a screen... kreider? Why no Buch on pp

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:07 pm EST

Ughhhhhhhh

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:01 pm EST

NASH: should be embarrassed cashing his $7.8M/yr check while Grabner only gets $1.6M/yr... travesty

schneidw


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:48 pm EST

Why are kreider and Buch so low in ice time

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:39 pm EST

Team needs to resign grabner. Also. They just don’t have that dominant player.

Kis


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:38 pm EST

Grabby puts it in

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:37 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:34 pm EST

Pp sucks

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:23 pm EST

FUUUUCCCCCKKKK ME!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:12 pm EST

Lou... I will give you 8 million for starters… Legs, at least Jan Erixon was paid appropriately for his role… Nash on the other hand gets paid $95,000 a game To stink up the place

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:11 pm EST

Is kid K playing

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:48 pm EST

Dick rash is now the new jan Erixon

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:47 pm EST

Man O man...Whats with the Rick Nash hate fest

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:27 pm EST

He doesn’t even have good year bad year anymore like Yorkie used to talk about. Now it’s just bad year bad year.

Kis


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:26 pm EST

Let’s see how many shots and hits Nash doesn’t have tonight. Guy is a waste.

Kis


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:25 pm EST

First 10 minutes of this game has been played entirely in front of the Rangers net Talk about unprepared.

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:22 pm EST

Nash’s lazy dump in attempt led to the turnover with Washington coming back and scoring that goal. First and last minutes giving up a goal have put so much more pressure on this team.

rf73


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:12 pm EST

Nice start Blueshirts

rangerlou


Fri Dec 8 2017 7:10 pm EST

Well that certainly sucked

rngrsans


Fri Dec 8 2017 6:25 pm EST

rf4l: I said it earlier in the season, maybe even the offseason, that Nash should be moved unless 1- This looks like a cup team and he is part of that 2-He tells the Rangers he will sign 2-3 years at 2.5-3 mil per. At 2.5-3 mil he is worth it, a threat to score, even if not as much as before, and good all around player that doesn't hurt the team and can help in every situation. Now neither of those two things are likely to be in play at the deadline, so they should be already investigating moving him as that approaches, or sooner if a team is looking for a guy like him, but due to the cap it will likely be as close to the deadline as possible to make the cap hit lower for the team getting him.

Wildcard


Fri Dec 8 2017 5:59 pm EST

To me Nash's mediocre season so far is a clear indication that his skills have indeed eroded and he should not be resigned. And if there's a dance party or 2 he should be moved by the deadline.

Rf4l


Fri Dec 8 2017 5:13 pm EST

TD maybe the Rangers could Trade Nash for Galchenyuk HAHAHAHA Shit throw Holden into that as well

kis


Fri Dec 8 2017 3:58 pm EST

Is RICK NASH still a Ranger? GP 27, G-7, A-6, PTS-13, +/- 0, PIM-8, PP goals or points 2 .......... Skinny Vinni Lettieri: GP-23, G-9, A-7, PTS-16, +/- -4, PIM-15, PP goals or points 5

mf


Fri Dec 8 2017 3:50 pm EST

Bo Horvat out, broken foot: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/horvat-s-injury-is-the-worst-case-scenario-for-surprisingly-successful-canucks

mf


Fri Dec 8 2017 2:50 pm EST

Cap projected up ...$78-82....https://www.nhl.com/news/c-293815570

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 8 2017 2:11 pm EST

tdchi: With you 100% Galchenyuk....only question is what do we have to give up to get him. Would love to see him with a fresh start in AV's system

RDW


Fri Dec 8 2017 1:58 pm EST

Td. The Caps went to the finals in '98 and lost to Detroit. But point taken, they have been perennial po choke artists. make the Rangers look like the 70s Habs.

NYStranger


Fri Dec 8 2017 1:39 pm EST

HOSPO: a trendline that I’ve noticed thru the years is offensive defenseman at the deadline deal. These guys are only successful quickly when they have a partner that can read them quickly so that when they take chances there is cover. Defensive chemistry is hard enough to develop when you’ve got guys who have played together a long time. Look at the Yandle deal. When he came in he got zero production 5x5. Stuck hanging back and trying not to do something stupid. All at the expense of what you need most from him. Offense. So, take a guy like Shattenkirk. New team, new system, traded over and playoffs. So he struggled to find offense. No big surprise in my eyes. History suggests a different scenario. I always criticize people who get on the offensive defenseman for taking chances. Of course they’ll create a hole. Because they need to try to do something. Out here I see Brent Burns fairly routinely jump up in the play and he gives up an odd man the other way. It’s just how it is. Not everyone can be Lidstrom. So, instead of DC criticizing Shattenkirk for not being the second coming of Bobby Orr they should look at the fact that they have guys like Orpik, Orlov etc... they don’t exactly have the best skating blueline in the NHL. And when Pit used them as a speed bump they want to piss and moan? Grow a pair, own it, and maybe realize your scheme and personnel have every bit to do with your problems. And you expected Shattenkirk to come in and fix the world in one month? Pffft... maybe the Caps might want to look at their record of futility and reflect on why they can’t win with the talent they have.

E


Fri Dec 8 2017 1:00 pm EST

The abuse of Alex GALCHENYUK continues unabated. Thought the guy was turning it around...but last night, Julien skates him a team-low nine minutes in the Habs' OT loss to Calgary. To put this in perspective, AHL plugger Byron FROESE skated nearly 13 minutes. Now is the time to pounce. Not sure what he's going to cost, but if Montreal is THAT down on him, it's probably not very much...In related news, that team is a total tire fire. Anytime you are feeling down about the Rangers, just look north. Even when they were sucking at the beginning of the season, they looked better than that squad of dogshit.

tdchi


Fri Dec 8 2017 12:39 pm EST

SHATT was one of many reasons (including coaching) that The Caps choked last year..But make no mistake, SHATT was BRUTAL defensively for the CAPS and did little to offset any of that putridness with offense, even if that was a team effort/..Plain and simple, SHATT is poor defensively and makes poor reads/decisions...Needs a very solid partner and team D to cover for him..If he gets that. maybe his offense and his PP abilities will be a net positive for the Rangers..But, he sucked with WASH,....

Hospo


Fri Dec 8 2017 12:32 pm EST

Trotz revealed so much more about himself than about Shattenkirk that it's kind of humorous. Losers always do that.

punchrolfe


Fri Dec 8 2017 12:01 pm EST

TD...I think Canada had 6 eligible players they didn't invite because they're playing pro in the NHL. Quite a hindrance.

Rf4l


Fri Dec 8 2017 11:39 am EST

Shattenkirk was disappointing in last year’s playoffs, but he was chained to Orpik and had to drag him around.

Bob


Fri Dec 8 2017 11:05 am EST

Going into last years playoffs, the Caps needed a defensive defenseman and they also needed to fix their lack of scoring issues. Somehow Shattenkirk was supposed to fix all of their issues. How could that not have worked out? I'm totally shocked.

Rhet0ric


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:59 am EST

Not sure who's following along with the WJCs, but man, it's a wide-open tourney this year...though I think the US or Sweden probably have the best squads...Canada...man...I can't recall a time when they had such a weak roster. Not even sure if this is a medal team, TBH. Just devoid of top-end talent, IMO, unless I'm missing something here: https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/team-canada/men/junior/2017-18/selection-camp/stats/team-rosters?teamid=128

tdchi


Fri Dec 8 2017 10:08 am EST

Vic - I was thinking the same thing. That f'ing five-chinned pork chop can blame whoever he wants. Fact of the matter is the Caps pissed away their best chance at the cup in decades last spring. Went down with a whimper too...almost got ousted by the young inexperienced Leafs and were so badly battered by that series that they couldn't muster any sustained pressure against the Pens...Capitals haven't made it out of the second round since 1990(!!!)...and this is somehow SHATTENKIRK'S fault?! Also agree 100 percent that he's a better defenseman than YANDLE could ever hope to be...and that's coming from someone who was ardently against the Rangers trading for him and quasi-against them signing him...Interesting, however, that you bring up Yandle...I think Shatty was put in a similar position that Yandle was with the Rangers. He fell in behind CARLSON and had to share minutes with NISKANEN. They also never did find a good pairing for him...seem to recall he was teamed up with ORPIK, who was(is) quite clearly at the end of his career...Same thing with YANDLE, who slotted behind McD and STAAL, and was essentially their third-string defenseman. Guys like that need to play top minutes. And the one time Yandle actually looked good for the Rangers was when McD went down and he became the top-defender...Two stupid roster moves made by GMs that looked at stats and the glitz of having a marquis name join their defense rather than the reality of hockey, which is that you can't expect a top player to perform to the best of his ability when you hamstring him on the bottom lines.

tdchi


Fri Dec 8 2017 9:41 am EST

Kings landed Jordan SUBBAN, PK's little brother, for Nic DOWD, a sort of jack-of-all trades bottom-line player. Sort of surprised...This was a kid on my radar. Moves the puck very well. Undersized, but is a good player. Has had a rough start to the season for Utica, but is still a very solid prospect with, IMO, a good NHL future ahead. I would have easily traded someone like Paul CAREY for him.

tdchi


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:23 am EST

It is interesting how that coach (TROTZ) and team (Caps) have failed so many times in the playoffs, and yet they still look for others to blame. The Caps have choked in the playoffs for 10 years......but last year was SHATTENKIRK's fault???? I know he didn't say that but it is kind of insinuated when he says they expected him to be a 1 or 2. He kind of infers that if SHATTENKIRK played like a 1 or 2 things would have been different. Otherwise he wouldn't even bother answering the question like he did. As for SHATTENKIRK's play as a Ranger I have been pleasantly surprised. He is better then I thought he would be. Just as a comparison he is so much better then a guy like YANDLE. The Caps can stick it for all I care. The Rangers may not be a great Cup contender but I do know one thing for sure. If they Caps are in the playoffs (or even a playoff favorite) they will find a way to choke and lose. Who will they blame it on this year????

Vic


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:06 am EST

Shattenkirk got an unwelcome welcome from his old coach. “I think everybody thought of him as a 1-2 [defenseman], and he really wasn’t,” Trotz said on Thursday afternoon. “He was a little lower.”

stevielegs


Fri Dec 8 2017 8:06 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/12/08/kevin-shattenkirks-ex-coach-blasts-him-in-brutal-interview/

stevielegs


Fri Dec 8 2017 5:49 am EST

The @Senators were 6-3-5 before the Duchene trade and tied for fourth in the east. They are 3-8-1 since, and now 14th in the east.

stevielegs


Thu Dec 7 2017 8:07 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2748203-seattle-nhl-expansion-application-approved-by-nhl-can-start-season-ticket-drive?share=email

Stevielegs


Thu Dec 7 2017 7:45 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 11m11 minutes ago Shattenkirk stung by Trotz’s comments...........https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-kevin-shattenkirk-barry-trotz-1.15356113

stevielegs


Thu Dec 7 2017 6:17 pm EST

While I get the trepidation about their lack of physicality, I think if Tampa cam stay healthy they're the team to beat.

Rf4l


Thu Dec 7 2017 5:03 pm EST

E - TBH, the team that scares me the most in the east right now is Columbus: Fast, tough and talented. And I think the Devils were constructed in a similar vain. Pittsburgh has lost a step. Still a team that will make you pay if you let your guard down...The thing I question about Tampa is the same thing I question about the Rangers: Are they tough enough to get through a team like Columbus? Tampa also has the benefit of having a VERY weak division. Sans Toronto, who the hell else in that division is worthy of a playoff position? Saw a couple things on Twitter today that drive this point home. First, at least of the following teams will NOT make the playoffs: Rangers, Pens, Jackets, Caps, Isles, Devils. Second, if the playoffs were to begin today, the Canadiens would be in them.

tdchi


Thu Dec 7 2017 12:07 pm EST

Well ain't Brooks a genius today? The New York Rangers are playing with a playoff type desperation? Of course they are. With what is basically within the margin of 6-point log jam every team is being forced to play that way. Even the NJD who had a nice cushion for a while now sees a whole lot of headlights in the rear view. Who knows if the New York Rangers will break? Its going to be tough all the way this season. Especially since they didn't do their annual jump on everyone in October and early November. And even then they'd likely be in the crunch. Thats why the PIT game for all its imperfections was possibly the most important game thus far for the New York Rangers. It was a 4-point game on a team that is also pointed now in the right direction. A win against the Caps would turn out to be an incredible week. A win as well against the NJD would turn this weekend into something that might save their season and begin to get some separation as well as sink the NJD deeper into the logjam. But I don't think that the current tight pace of the race is tenable either. Teams are going to start playing each other more and more. And as they do, some separation is likely to occur. I think its going to be a deathmatch most of the way. This is a good hockey team though. It has warts to be sure but they can play. Their defense while maybe less stout is like Kevin Weekes pointed out: They are fast and move themselves and the puck up the ice quickly to get numbers into the zone. Thats a quality that breaks the trap in the neutral zone and causes the other team to back up. Look at TB. Their speed is crushing teams. Im not sure every team in the east is properly equipped to play this way.

E


Thu Dec 7 2017 11:54 am EST

Hail Hail Freedonia hahaha . good movie. Yeah anyway Nash is so important and such a great two way player he sat the bench for the last 12-13 minutes of the game against the Pens. Amazing. 8 million to sit the bench please trade this guy.

Kis


Thu Dec 7 2017 11:07 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/12/06/necessity-forcing-vigneault-to-coach-differently-than-he-wants/

stevielegs


Thu Dec 7 2017 10:13 am EST

Irving moofman which Marx brother are you ? zippo, zip, karl,skid, zilch, zero.....what musical instrument can you play? ...the radio.....some think sk flute.....go jump off a curb....

stevielegs


Thu Dec 7 2017 8:54 am EST

TD...we'll see.

Rf4l


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:24 pm EST

MF.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeKYQdYISg

Rhet0ric


Wed Dec 6 2017 7:54 pm EST

https://twitter.com/thefourthperiod/status/938563678563024896

PUCKYOU


Wed Dec 6 2017 7:46 pm EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/12/05/the-nhls-highest-paid-players-2017-18/

PUCKYOU


Wed Dec 6 2017 6:18 pm EST

This one is for RF4L. Even contains a nifty little graphic. But Wysh also brings up many of the points I've made here, which is that TAVARES isn't likely to piss on his own jersey or his fans - http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/21588800/nhl-eight-teams-new-york-islanders-center-john-tavares-sign-2018-free-agent-market

tdchi


Wed Dec 6 2017 5:36 pm EST

the doctor said piece....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 6 2017 5:30 pm EST

Legs: This means war! "Hail to Freedonia!"

mf


Wed Dec 6 2017 4:37 pm EST

Irving moofman do you know who the doctor smacked when you were born?.... your whole family ....

stevielegs


Wed Dec 6 2017 3:41 pm EST

Steve Zipay Retweeted Patrik Bexell‏ @Zeb_Habs 2h2 hours ago Lias Andersson #NYR about being a leader for the Swedish #WJC squad: "I have to shoulder the responsibility and lead by example". Could be a captain for the team. @BlueshirtBanter

stevielegs


Wed Dec 6 2017 12:50 pm EST

How's your, ""Machatunim" ((The Yiddish term for the parents of your son or daughter in law is "Machatunim" (plural). The singular female is "Machatainista"; the singular male is "Machitin". The "ch" pronunciation is the guttural sound so elusive for native English speakers.)) .......... https://pagesix.com/2017/12/05/sean-avery-was-slapped-with-restraining-order-for-harassing-mother-in-law/?_ga=2.32891383.830387881.1512350415-1776580976.1511508059

mf


Wed Dec 6 2017 11:14 am EST

1. Team Value:$1,500M (Enterprise value of team based on current arena deal (unless new arena is pending). 2. Revenue: $246M (Net of arena revenues used for debt payments.) 3. Operating Income: $94M (Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization.) 4. Debt/Value: 4% (Includes arena debts.) 5. Player Expenses: $80M (Includes benefits and bonuses.) 6. Gate Receipts: $104M (Includes club seats.) 7. Wins-to-player cost ratio: 116 (Compares the number of wins per player payroll relative to the rest of the NHL. Playoff wins count twice as much as regular season wins. A score of 120 means that the team achieved 20% more victories per dollar of payroll compared with the league average during the 2016-17 season.) 8. Revenue per Fan: $36 (Local revenues divided by metro population - Metro Area Population: 20.1M - with populations in two-team markets divided in half.).....Valuation Breakdown: Sport $144M; Market $676M; Stadium $465M; Brand $215M

RF73


Wed Dec 6 2017 11:04 am EST

NYStranger/Melville - and why wouldn’t of say it’s not a focus? If anything, I’d argue that it is not only a focus, but one that is strong enough that the organization often makes knee-jerk moves in the short-term in the futile hope of winning a cup rather than planning more diliberatelty to build a winner for the future. You don’t get traded for YANDLE and ST. LOUIS from a franchise that doesn’t give a shit.

tdchi


Wed Dec 6 2017 10:59 am EST

I’m not big on the WHL and don’t put much emphasis on the stats coming from it...but wow...Ty RONNING is tearing that league to pieces: Ty Ronning scored his 27th goal of the year as Vancouver topped Portland, 5-3, in the Western Hockey League Monday night. Ronning has 21 goals since Oct. 20, a span of 20 games, and is four shy of his career-best of 31 that he set in 2015-16.

tdchi


Wed Dec 6 2017 10:31 am EST

And I should say if not when...

NYStranger


Wed Dec 6 2017 10:30 am EST

Mfred only when Dolan gets ready to sell will they focus on a championship to further raise the value of MSG.

NYStranger


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:53 am EST

Were #1!!!! The Rangers are valued at $1.5B and thus the most lucrative franchise in Hockey......and you wonder why a CUP is not the focus from Upstairs.

melvillefred


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:40 am EST

Didn't see the game. Nice to win but outshot again? 2 lucky goals? 4 posts? Precarious for sure...

Rf4l


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:39 am EST

No surprise but Chytil ofdicially named to the Czech WHC team. Hope he is healthy enough to go.

Rf4l


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:13 am EST

Oh. And if AV was crafty enough to say something like that publicly to either boost Nash's confidence and/or build up his trade value, which I don't think he is sly enough to do, IT is NOT working....

NYStranger


Wed Dec 6 2017 8:09 am EST

mf it is time to extend Nash. Those numbers say it all. Can't lose this guy to FA. He is AVs wet dream! Best forward on the ice this year according to Veenknow, right?

NYStranger


Wed Dec 6 2017 7:56 am EST

A win is a win is a win. I thought PAVALEC played very well, considering he wasn't supposed to start and the Rangers were short their top line center...And on THAT note, any time you're short two of your top three players and you come out with win? Hey, that's a big win. I don't care if there were 50 posts hit...And they beat a healthy Penguins team --full roster until SCHULTZ left...No doubt, the Rangers are a different team, sans ZIBANAJED. I'm not going to say he's in line for the Selke or anything, but he definitely takes some pressure off the D...Did Carl HAGELIN play last night? Wonder how psyched they are to be paying $4 million for another year of that...On a related note, the Rangers really need to start thinking about what they're going to pay GRABNER to extend his contract..or what life after Grabner is going to look like. I can't think of many players in the NHL who can do what he does. And if he leaves as a free agent, this team will be faced with a void...See some baging on the Rangers' D...but I counted two of those three Pittsburgh goals...SHEARY and KESSEL...where the winger simply didn't pick up his guy. I guess you have to watch the point to a degree...but on both of those, the Rangers winger was down low literally paying no attention to the opposing winger...Another thing...and I keep this low because it's to be expected...but the officiating was nothing short of horrendous. Stripes let absolute bedlam occur for two periods. Then they decide to call slashing on what was seriously a light tap from SHATTY...the only time they got the benefit of the doubt was when that schmuck MALKIN dropped his stick the minute he felt it come in contact with SKJEI's. And then him getting all indignant about it as the Rangers went on to score...LOVED IT. What a moron. Were I a coach, I'd be kicking his ass from one side of the locker room to the next. That play and his decision to bitch about it was the reason the Pens walked away with zero points instead of at least one...Wonder of Pierre McGuire's mouth has regained feeling yet. He was felating the Pens pretty hard last night. Any way, I reiterate: Any time you beat the Pens is a good time.

tdchi


Wed Dec 6 2017 7:09 am EST

trade28...........I assume you are joking.........40 saves on the road in Pitts, for a guy who never gets to plays is OK by me !

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Dec 6 2017 2:03 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/what-ondrej-pavelec-said-after-the-win-over-pittsburgh/262961700

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 11:06 pm EST

OAN: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/rangers-top-forbes-franchise-valuations-as-nhl-now-boasts-four-billion-dollar-teams

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:30 pm EST

wow...what a great tilt in the kings/wild game........MacDermid vs chris stewart

tradestar28


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:13 pm EST

All for $95,000 per game

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:12 pm EST

Nyr goalies deserve combat pay with that d Corp in front of them

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:12 pm EST

Rick Nash: G-0, A-0, Pts-0, +/- -2, PIM 0, SOG-3, Hits-0, Blocks-1, GVA-2, TKA-1, TOI: 13:50

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:12 pm EST

Wow.....They were definitely lucky in this one. The Pens hit 4 or 5 posts in the game. I lost count. PAvLIC is no Prince or RAANTA that is for sure. But for once they got the lucky bounces against this team and won a close game. HAYES line benched in the last 10 minutes or so of the game, and deservedly so. I don't think it was because of HAYES as much as it was because of NASH and VESEY. Both had really bad games. But a win is a win. Now on to Washingtng. Hopefully HANK will be ready to go and the Rangers can do just enough to pull out the victory.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:08 pm EST

Rangers win !!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:08 pm EST

Well that was a herart attack,at the end.

Bob


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:07 pm EST

Thank you Goal Post

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 10:06 pm EST

Thank you letang orang

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:51 pm EST

Buuuucccchhhhnevich

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:50 pm EST

What a snipe by Buch!

Bob


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:49 pm EST

Buchebitch

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:49 pm EST

Buch baby!

rf73


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:48 pm EST

Who gets it 4-3

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:41 pm EST

Mcdoodie FORGOT what side he was playing on that tying goal!!!! U dumbFugg!!!! No wonder the guy was wide open!!

_Arc


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:40 pm EST

What the hell does Nash do anymore. What a waste

Kis


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:38 pm EST

All tied tied up ;-(

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:37 pm EST

this backup goalie sucks.....leave him in pittsburgh

tradestar28


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:28 pm EST

Steve Zipay's Tweets Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 15m Penguins had 23 shots that period, NYR 8, but Blueshirts lead 3-2 after 40

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:19 pm EST

So....can they win this 3rd period and start this stretch of games on a high note??? Have to cut down on the turnovers. Have to get the puck deep. Need to keep the pressure on the Pens goaltneder because he is shakier they PAVLICH. Lets see if they can do it.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:13 pm EST

STRANGER: Yep, that was an awesome pass. MILLER comes through after a tough two periods.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:11 pm EST

Need to trade zucchini and keep captain mcdoodie parmenter.... not.... reverse that before it’s too late...

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:09 pm EST

Miller made the pass

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:08 pm EST

Maaattttss!

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:08 pm EST

WHo made that pass? That was brilliant...

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:08 pm EST

Zuuuuucccccckkk!!!

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:07 pm EST

ZUUUUUUUUUUUUCH!!!!!!

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:06 pm EST

That is two golden opportunities missed by GRABNER tonight....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:04 pm EST

This is a team you don't want to put on the PP. Too much talent. You are asking for trouble.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:02 pm EST

Really not a great game by MILLER so far tonight. Some lazy plays and some stupid ones with the puck.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 9:01 pm EST

Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper Jesper

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:59 pm EST

Nice drive to the net by SKJEI on that one.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:58 pm EST

FAST!!!!!

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:56 pm EST

MF: No, The Beatles were vastly overrated. Some good songs but by and large their catalog was meh. Didn't like the Stones much either....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:54 pm EST

Asswipe coaching and motivating This team like it was a playoff game… And we know how those wind up

rf73


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:53 pm EST

VIC, are you quoting the Beatles? "And in the end The luck you take Is equal to the luck You make

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:50 pm EST

NASH late in coverage on that one. The puck jumped over HAYES stick along the boards....but you make the luck you get and the Rangers are on their heels right now.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:49 pm EST

Down 2-1 no surprise.

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:49 pm EST

You could feel it coming.....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:49 pm EST

Vic nothing better than Sommers teasing Islander fans. With all the fishstick names and playing the Oklahoma musical stuff. Priceless!

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:46 pm EST

That VESEY bad pass led to the extended Pens pressure and now they are rolling a bit. It is the stupid little things that can cause momentum swings. That pass was so unncesscary and so bad. Lets see if AV benches him for the next 10 minutes....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:45 pm EST

Mf everone that counts confirms what we see with out eyes...he is the best player on the ice despite his total lack of production. What do points mean anyway? As long as you try real hard, right? And collect nearly $8 million a year AND prevent a cap strapped team from signing a real hockey player? Of course he is still on the team and will probably be lost for nothing come July 1st which is about a bag of pucks more than we are likely going to get for him of the open trade market anyway!

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:44 pm EST

McZero having a great game… Can’t keep it in at the point in the O zone and he can’t get it out of the D zone

rf73


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:44 pm EST

Com on Rangers

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:43 pm EST

STRANGER: Awesome!! I remember listening to SOMMERS late night after the Rangers game 7 win over the Devils.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:42 pm EST

That entire sequesnce happened because of the horrible pass by VESEY in the offensive zone.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:40 pm EST

Vic I got one better than that! I have a recording of the WFAN overnight with Steve Sommers the night of the game 7 win with all kinds of interviews and clips. Serious nostalgia. Funny thing is you can hear lightning interference over the airwaves and I remember seeing lightning flashes that night but it never rained.

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:38 pm EST

NASH is still a Ranger?

mf


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:38 pm EST

GRABNER knows he blew that. He put it right into the goaltender's stomach. He had the corners wide open and he could have pulled up and brought HAYES into the play as well.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:23 pm EST

I still don't know how Detroit gave up 10 goals to Montreal the other night. I mean we are talking about Montreal. It takes them like 6 weeks to score 10 goals.....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:20 pm EST

STRANGER: I'm jealous. I would much rather listen to SAM (I lost my fastball 10 years ago) ROSEN and JOE (Could I possibly be more annoying?) MICHALETTI. What I wouldn't give to listen to a game with SAM and JD in their primes. I have the 94' Cup on DVD (what Ranger fan doesn't?). I'll have to fire that up and recapture the glory....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:19 pm EST

Can’t wait to not watch captain mcdoodie parmenter interview . This guy is bad luck for the nyr . And he stinks on the pp.

Stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:15 pm EST

Vic this is one of the times I am happy to listen to Dick'n'Nosen.

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:12 pm EST

Wow...does that POS PIERRE sound like someone kicked his dog or what? Why doesn't he just wear a Pens jersey during the broadcast????

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:12 pm EST

Boooooooo Nieves

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:12 pm EST

Go Boo! Yeah I am watching as well. Just don't really want to admit it...;-p

NYStranger


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:11 pm EST

BOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:09 pm EST

MGRSANS: Thank God!!! I thought I was in a Twilight Zone episode or something!

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:09 pm EST

Rangers watching the puck while Pens working

rangerlou


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:07 pm EST

Watching with you, Vic!

rngrsans


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:07 pm EST

NASH missed that puck in the crease twice....and it ends up in the net. The Rangers have outplayed this POS team and are trailing once again....

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:03 pm EST

Testing...testing. Is this thing on? Am I the only one watching a Rangers vs Pens game????!?!?!?

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 8:02 pm EST

Looks like they are going to have to beat the refs as well toniht. Blatent interference not called that ends up leading to the REEVES breakaway.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 7:58 pm EST

Eleven minutes in and a good start so far. The Rangers are skating and have jump. Good to see in this first period.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 7:56 pm EST

Stuck watching the Pen's broadcast. You know..... THe NBC Sports Network.

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:30 pm EST

PAVELEC starts verses the Pens? Get the fucking Maalox.

tdchi


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:30 pm EST

Rangers prospects got snubbed from Team USA. DAY and GETTINGER both left off the preliminary roster. Not too surprised by Gettinger, because the forward corps are very strong. But Day being left off from D...bit of a surprise. I suspect his shaky showing at the WJSS sank his boat.

tdchi


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:30 pm EST

Rangers prospects got snubbed from Team USA. DAY and GETTINGER both left off the preliminary roster. Not too surprised by Gettinger, because the forward corps are very strong. But Day being left off from D...bit of a surprise. I suspect his shaky showing at the WJSS sank his boat.

tdchi


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:25 pm EST

I feel nervous.

hipcheck


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:17 pm EST

No King tonight. Out with the flu. Russian goalie called up as backup

Rf4l


Tue Dec 5 2017 5:16 pm EST

As NHL embraces fancy stats, Corsi isn't as predictive as it once was.......(http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/nhl-advanced-stats-corsi-explained-analytics-corsica-hurricanes-blues-oilers/11ncjyshxrv4l1cihgfy8fwfd7)

Vic


Tue Dec 5 2017 3:48 pm EST

Russia banned from the OGs, maybe good for AO that he wasn’t allowed to go anyway... ;)

Ola


Tue Dec 5 2017 1:59 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 1h1 hour ago Stumbled onto Cowherd, lauding NHL for rule under which violent offenders are suspended for as long as injured party is sidelined. #Newstome

stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 1:55 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 35m35 minutes ago KHL G Marek Mazanec, 26, has been placed on waivers by NYR, a requirement after signing, according to reports. Means they want to bolster Hartford net.

stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 1:55 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 2h2 hours ago Only Steven Kampfer skated this AM. Usually the night's backup goalie is on ice as well. AV had said Lundqvist would start. Guessing either Pavelec or Lundqvist may be under weather

stevielegs


Tue Dec 5 2017 1:53 pm EST

https://www.bardown.com/forbes-released-annual-most-valuable-teams-list-vegas-is-ahead-of-3-canadian-teams-1.935065

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 4 2017 5:47 pm EST

stevielegs - Yup! Poetic, ain't it? Along those same lines, just think about what the Oilers might be today if they had DUBNYK back. He's won 110 games in three seasons with the Wild. The Oilers got four seasons of Matt Hendricks...

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 5:14 pm EST

tdchi remember they had bobo and traded him...sucks to be a cryer fan....make my day and more.....

stevielegs


Mon Dec 4 2017 5:01 pm EST

It is nothing short of remarkable to me that NHL teams continue to think they can get into cup contention when they're weak between the pipes...I mention this because of how bad the Flyers have been, despite having all the elements of a very good hockey team...likewise with the Hurricanes...and the Islanders...and to a degree, the Oilers. You just getting nowhere with sub-par goaltending. Simple fact. Don't always need a susperstar, but if your tender isn't in the top 15 in the league, you might as well pack it in.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 4:19 pm EST

https://www.fanragsports.com/dreger-suspects-flyers-will-try-trade-route/

RDW


Mon Dec 4 2017 3:46 pm EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers 2h2 hours ago #NYR head coach Alain Vigneault gives an update on Zibanejad's condition, the upcoming road trip through Pittsburgh and Washington and his schedule for Pavelec.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 4 2017 3:45 pm EST

Sabres PR‏Verified account @SabresPR 6h6 hours ago The Buffalo Sabres today announced that forward Matt Moulson will be placed on waivers at noon for the purpose of assignment.

stevielegs


Mon Dec 4 2017 3:44 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 2h2 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted Corey Pronman Andreas Johnsson, who checked him into boards, received 5-min boarding penalty and 10-min game misconduct

stevielegs


Mon Dec 4 2017 2:31 pm EST

Scott WILSON flipped by Detroit to the Sabres for 5th round pick...so conman Jim Rutherford got Riley SHEAHAN, a former first rounder, for a third-round pick. He hasn't exactly lit it up as a Penguin(seven points in 19 games), but is a very good defensive center and would look pretty nice right now on third line. A beast at faceoffs too.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 2:06 pm EST

In other words, it sounds like CHYTIL is suffering from whiplash. Fairly minor injury, all things considering. And that is excellent news.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 2:03 pm EST

NYR prospect Filip Chytil is day to day with a cervical strain according to his AHL team Hartford. He was injured and had to leave the game this past weekend vs. Toronto. Seems to have avoided worst case scenario.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 11:45 am EST

Kind of a strange Brooks article. Not sure I agree with much of it. If Gorton 'never expected' ANDRESSON and DeANGELO to be where they are, then he really is wearing blinders. Andersson was almost a given that he'd be elsewhere other than the NHL. And if he wasn't when he was drafted, then it should have been after thw WJ summer series...and DeAngelo? The guy couldn't stick with the Yotes' defense. Not sure why anyone would have faith he'd stick with the Rangers...then he goes on to suggest guys like CAREY and KAMPFER are holding up LETTIERI and PIONK...uh...no. It's called those two guys are getting top-line minutes in Hartford...20 minutes a game...They'd get half that in New York. I could understand bringing them in were the Rangers continuing to falter...but with wins coming, why not let them get experience? And it's not like either is kicking the door down...The one part that I do agree with...and was thinking this after the hit on CHYTI...he doesn't appear to be concussed at all. In fact, the footage of him getting helped off the ice looks suspiciously like a lower body injury. You can see the trainer grabbing the back of his shorts...Watching the hit, I don't see how it's possible...but he didn't seem to hit his head.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 11:22 am EST

RF4L - C'mon. I know you were hoping to get a front-and-center look at CHYTIL, but shit like that happens ALL THE TIME in junior hockey. Even watching the hit...were it not for Chytil's injury, JOHNSSON wouldn't have even gotten the game misconduct. Should he have held up? Most certainly. Was it a dirty hit? Sure. But the level of scumbaggery was rather low. If Chytil can't take hits like that, then he shouldn't be in hockey...because just about every player has gotten rocked like that in the corner at some point in their career.

tdchi


Mon Dec 4 2017 10:26 am EST

https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/

mf


Mon Dec 4 2017 10:13 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/rangers-youth-movement-isnt-working-out-how-they-hoped/

mf


Mon Dec 4 2017 8:30 am EST

E...valid analysis. That said given their horrid start they really cannot afford many 1-3-1 stretches especially against division rivals. They've strung up an impressive w/l record since that start yet if the season ended today no POs. They've given themselves little room for error.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 4 2017 8:26 am EST

NYSt: LB has a blurb in his latest article about Chytil but is like us in terms of getting any valid updatw.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 4 2017 8:19 am EST

Stevie...here's the thing: It's not hindsight for me. I said it from the outset that a big hit (or hits) was (were/are) coming until/unless he learns to play a little smarter when he has the puck. He should be learning that crucial lesson where the repercussions are less harsh.

Rf4l


Mon Dec 4 2017 8:14 am EST

So typical MSG news blackout...you can't find anything about this Chytil injury. Go ahead and google it. You will have to be damn determined to find something and know you should be looking for it in the first place. If it wasn't for this link on the Wall, about 5 people total would know! Even the Pack game recaps only mention a 'boarding call' but nothing about Chytil slow getting up, etc. Disgraceful

NYStranger


Sun Dec 3 2017 11:43 pm EST

Irving moofman you get a headache from sitting and a concussion from the door hitting you in the arse on the way out. You try doubling your depends to alleviate some of the pain? Remember it’s hard to hear you when you talk and they impair your vision.

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 3 2017 10:48 pm EST

"Hindtalk?" you're talking out your arse! ;-)

mf


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:33 pm EST

There are kids churtle’s age playing in the nhl. Hits and injuries can happen in any league. He’s in the right place for his talent level. The nyr could have kept him in the nhl and he would have contributed. Hindsight is 20/20 and hindtalk is the result. Fishboy made the ultimate decision and he would probably change it if he thought Hartford wasn’t right for him. I have little doubt this kid will be called up this season to retaste the nhl.

Stevielegs


Sun Dec 3 2017 7:10 pm EST

RF4L: I think it is an early gauge but by no means a final one. We've seen it so many times before. There are really three seasons in your average regular season for this team. There is the start that they get in October and November....the game they play in December through February....and the way they are playing in March trough the end of the season and playoffs. Clearly they sucked in October and were one of the better teams in the league in November. Beating the Hurricanes on Friday was a good way to start the month. Lets see if they can keep this early part of the "second season" rolling this week and next week. They have 6 games in 9 days coming up. Hopefully they go into it playing well and have a great stretch. Lord knows you don't want to go into a stretch like that playing your worst hockey....

Vic


Sun Dec 3 2017 6:33 pm EST

AON is this the week we get a better gauge on the validity of this Ranger team? Pittsburgh Washington and then NJ - all division rivals and all above them in the standings. Should be interesting if not telling.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 5:29 pm EST

Rhet. Yes agreed Chytil needs to recognize the dangers of making himself vulnerable-the fact that he does put himself in such positions was clearly evident in preseason. And that nob may have run Chytil because he knows he's some hotshot 18 year first round pick. Because it's NA pro hockey. Junior hockey isn't void of such crap but it's way less prevalent. And it's kids hitting kids so generally the ferocity of hits in general are less. It's one of the reasons I felt so strongly about him being sent to North Bay. Err on the side of caution.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 5:02 pm EST

Chytil got hammered from behind, his spider-sense was clearly down. I don't know what he was doing dilly-dallying like that, but he never could have seen that hit. What is most notable is that the opposing player could have stripped the puck from Chytil and probably had a shot on goal, but he instead chose to drill him into the stanchion. You know, because Hockey.

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 3 2017 4:27 pm EST

Mf...not me. Way less likelihood of taking a hit like that. What is the freaking need with this organization to rush their prized prospects. Err on the side of caution. Let's hope it's not serious but too many big hits and he'll become gunshy.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 3:17 pm EST

RF, seems like the AHL level was a compromise between juniors and pushing him into the bigs.. I have no issues pushing him to play with AHL talent and would not demote him to juniors

mf


Sun Dec 3 2017 2:56 pm EST

That hit wasn't cuz his head was down. But I knew sooner or later playing with men would result in this. He should be on junior hockey. Idiotic decision.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 2:53 pm EST

And on another note Yotes called up Dylan Strome and he scored last night (after thriving in the AHL). Is Max Domi available?

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 2:53 pm EST

TD: I had no idea that CHYTIL got injured, however you need not be a talent scout to see that this kid has a propensity for keeping his head down when the puck is on his stick.... The game is played too fast on the pro level to get away with that, the opposition closes in mighty quickly, AND, aren't the rinks smaller than what he is accustomed to? IMO if he doesn't learn to keep his head up, trade him before he gets hurt... OAN, one of the reasons I wanted Hagelin traded was because he wore his chinstrap so loose, figured he was bound to get concussed, he has not, and I don't wish that on any player..... BTW, Chytils injury was due to contact with the glass, NOT because he had his head down, go figure....

mf


Sun Dec 3 2017 2:25 pm EST

Watched the hit. Geesh. Just knew this was inevitable. A boy playing NA professional hockey with men - damn the Rangers amd their continual stupid decisions with their teenaged prized prospects.

Rf4l


Sun Dec 3 2017 11:31 am EST

Didn't see that Rhet. Doesn't look good though. Gonna really suck if he's held out of the WJCs.

tdchi


Sun Dec 3 2017 9:08 am EST

Where is Brooks? Hope he is well.

Ola


Sun Dec 3 2017 9:03 am EST

TD... That;s not at all what I was talking about, Chytil took a really ugly hit yesterday and he most likely even had a concussion. Here was the hit... https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/937100685409226753 Here was what he looked like being helped off the ice.... https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/937101329352282114

Rhet0ric


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:58 am EST

TD- I don’t think Chytil can slide (meaning his contract slides) because he is playing for the pack. I know the NHL rule is 10 games, but if he’s playing for the pack I think he’s burning this years contract?

ColoradoMark


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:30 am EST

DeAngelo: 0 goals and -4 in 13 games for WOlfPAck... BUST!

schneidw


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:10 am EST

mf - why do you say that?

tdchi


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:10 am EST

The guy to keep an eye on now is Ryan GROPP. After a very slow start, he's had three goals in his last two games. And I believe he's had four over the past four. He had two last night in the OT loss to the Marlies, who are one of the better teams in the AHL.

tdchi


Sun Dec 3 2017 8:08 am EST

Rhet0ric - CHYTIL is doing well. He's slowed down statistically, but he continues to be an offensive force down there. Been very noticeable. Were I to map this out, I would say he's going to come back form the WJCs and then play another month or two in the AHL before coming back to the Rangers. I really don't think they'll give him the call before then. And I think if they can get away with letting this year slide, they will. But the bottom line is the kid is ready. His defensive game could use some work, but his offense is there.

tdchi


Sun Dec 3 2017 3:10 am EST

Some great physical nasty games to watch tonight between the Ducks-Preds and Panthers-Hurricanes..Maybe once this season will get a decent Ranger game to watch?

Hospo


Sun Dec 3 2017 12:32 am EST

Rhet: Chytil has not learned to keep his head up and on a swivel in two short months. Best to leave him in the lower ranks. No need to rush him to the taxidermy

mf


Sat Dec 2 2017 10:45 pm EST

So the canadiens obviously just needed to have thebgreat Adam Cracknell in their organization to turn things around!

ColoradoMark


Sat Dec 2 2017 9:35 pm EST

I was at the game where Gaborik scored the natural hatty against the AV’s. One of the greatest performances I’ve ever seen live. It Was also incredible being in Denver as a Ranger fan!

ColoradoMark


Sat Dec 2 2017 7:18 pm EST

Anyone see/hear anyrhing on Chytil yet? NYR centers are getting pummeled this season.

Rhet0ric


Sat Dec 2 2017 3:12 pm EST

Ola - I seriously don't even know WHY teams pull the goalie when GRABNER is on the ice. There's like a 1-in-2 chance he's gonna score. If he touches the puck, those odds go to roughly 100 percent. Carolina was stupid to pull DARLING with that much time left. And then why in a 4-1 game? That's is one moron coach right there. Which could explain a lot of why Carolina, despite its talent, continues to suck.

tdchi


Sat Dec 2 2017 1:54 pm EST

Gaborik I think was the ultimate case of a body preventing true talent from flourishing. It seemed like every week he’d get injured, or just have something nagging and he’d become useless. Then he’d have a few weeks of health and you could see it happening. The speed, and the shot. And suddenly he would start racking goals like taking candy from a child. Just unbelievable. Every moment on the ice he was a threat to score. And multiple goal games. Just unreal. Then inevitably: injury. And grounded again. I wonder what could’ve been if he had stayed healthy. There is a chance that he would’ve gone down as one of the all time greatest scorers.

E


Sat Dec 2 2017 12:46 pm EST

Replying to @stevezipay Rewatching some of Gaborik’s hat tricks. My goodness the guy could play. I’d forgotten. ........... Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 3h3 hours ago Steve Zipay Retweeted zevrgurwitz Legit skill. Too bad he and Torts didn't see eye to eye.

stevielegs


Sat Dec 2 2017 12:45 pm EST

NHL Public Relations‏Verified account @PR_NHL Per @EliasSports: @grabs40 scored the first natural hat trick of his NHL career and became the first @NYRangers player to accomplish the feat since Marian Gaborik on Jan. 31, 2010 at COL. #NHLStats #CARvsNYR

stevielegs


Sat Dec 2 2017 12:41 pm EST

Rangers practicing live in Central Park right now....

wiosa


Sat Dec 2 2017 12:34 pm EST

TRADE: I didnt see any posts RE: ANA-NJD trade for Vatanan and Henrique. Interesting development... I think once again, Shero shows to be shrewd in landing value players... I sure hope GORTON is working the phones to find a replacement for HOLDEN on the first line pairing so we can see McDonough revert back to all-star form... I am not sure what the NYRs have to give up for which RH defenseman is available.. .but I surely would look up to Buffalo and see if Rick Nash, Holden and ___ could free up Ristolainen..

schneidw


Sat Dec 2 2017 12:09 pm EST

Ola I give fishboy 5 stars for signing grabner and keeping him as the bargain replacement for hagelin. He needs to resign him asap.

Stevielegs


Sat Dec 2 2017 11:48 am EST

In this week's edition of the podcast, host Edward Fraser and analyst Ryan Kennedy break down the future of the New York Rangers, look at some hot major junior teams and have a chat with 2018 draft prospect Jack McBain. Plus, a spotlight on 2018 D-man Adam Boqvist – could he go top-five this summer? ......... http://www.thehockeynews.com/podcast/article/prospect-podcast-jack-mcbain-adam-boqvist-and-the-new-york-rangers-pipeline

mf


Sat Dec 2 2017 9:59 am EST

Big lol, Grabner is FOURTH OVERALL all time with 6 empty net goals in a season only 26 games in. Bure had 9 in 00’, Tkachuk 8 in 97’, Mario 7 in 89’.

Ola


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:39 pm EST

RICK NASH: TOI 17:29 ... PP/TOI 4:02, SH/TOI 38 seconds, SOG 3, GA/1, TA/0, Goals "Zero" Assists "Zero" Hits "Zero" (at least last game he was called for goaltender interference and actually made contact with the opposition) "Trade his Effin Ass out of here already!"

mf


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:35 pm EST

Come on Ottawa, Anaheim and Colorado

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:34 pm EST

Hurricane downgraded to a tropical depression

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:30 pm EST

Harri carey

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:29 pm EST

Empty Hat trick

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:27 pm EST

So who was it that said They wished grabner was gone instead of cheesy?

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:26 pm EST

Here come the hats

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:25 pm EST

I like being wrong again about this team

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:23 pm EST

Grabby!!!

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:20 pm EST

Boo playing really well!

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:11 pm EST

Imagine that so how bad are the rest of the forwards?

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:09 pm EST

As per Assvipe his best forward five on five so far this year is Nash

Stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 8:24 pm EST

This game is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Rf4l


Fri Dec 1 2017 8:16 pm EST

These bozos calling game are so clueless sometimes. Play stopped when Canes touch puck and they announce the Rangers are penalized. Geesh

Rf4l


Fri Dec 1 2017 8:04 pm EST

Lolol....nhl officiating = joke

Rf4l


Fri Dec 1 2017 7:25 pm EST

I want to be wrong but I think this is the beginning of the end. Why would AV start Hank when he needs to give our backup starts and next week will be very difficult

rngrsans


Fri Dec 1 2017 7:14 pm EST

Horrid PP. WTF is with this team?

rf4L


Fri Dec 1 2017 7:10 pm EST

LOL...here go again!

rf4L


Fri Dec 1 2017 4:58 pm EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers 5m5 minutes ago Tune in tomorrow on the #NYR Facebook page to see the Blueshirts in the park for outdoor open practice LIVE! http://facebook.com/nyrangers

stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 4:57 pm EST

Aaron Portzline‏Verified account @Aportzline #CBJ John Tortorella on Derek Dorsett: "He was a pain in the ass. But I liked that pain in the ass. I have a tremendous amount of respect for him.” @Canucks

stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 4:52 pm EST

Bad break for the Rangers and Z-Bad getting the concussion. He was starting to develop and I believe could develop into a light #1 C. The injuries however may reduce him to McD .....which is a little better than average status.

melvillefred


Fri Dec 1 2017 4:35 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/rangers/fans/open-practice

stevielegs


Fri Dec 1 2017 3:56 pm EST

E; Not sure. This is the site - https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fisport.blesk.cz%2Fclanek%2Fhokej-nhl%2F320162%2Fmazanec-se-vraci-zpatky-do-nhl-miri-za-pavelcem-do-ny-rangers.html&edit-text=&act=url

tdchi


Fri Dec 1 2017 3:54 pm EST

re: KERFOOT - Could also be the guy simply likes Colorado more than New York. BC guy. Denver isn't exactly Vancouver, but it's a hell of a lot closer to the mark than NYC...Tis a shame for whatever the reason. It does look like Kerfoot came as-advertised...I think the bigger loss in the UFA market was missing BUTCHER. He's a major reason why the Devils are improved...and it was quite clear that he wasn't going to crack the Rangers' top six. Not in any sort of appreciable way that would allow him to play as he has with the Devils.

tdchi


Fri Dec 1 2017 3:53 pm EST

TD: source? Anything legit?

E


Fri Dec 1 2017 3:50 pm EST

There's a report that former Preds goalie Marek MANZANEC was signed by the Rangers. Color me absolutely perplexed on this one. He didn't play too well for the team that went to the cup finals...but he did have a couple of decent stints prior. Tea leaves: Either the Rangers have soured on PAVELEC and he's Hartford-bound OR either GEORGIEV or NELL are Greenville-bound...OR...the folks in the Czech Republic have had a bit too much sauce.

tdchi


Fri Dec 1 2017 3:21 pm EST

Funny thing with Kerfoot NYR vs. Av’s is that I know that AV really likes Hayes in the 3rd line center position. Kerfoot easily could’ve bid against Z for the top center position. Would’ve made the New York Rangers a three line team down the middle. But oh well... I’m sure Andersson and Cheeto era will be fine. Until one of them gets hurt or busts.

E


Fri Dec 1 2017 9:49 am EST

The Kerfoot situation was similar to Butcher signing with the Devils. Is his case they probably couldn't even promise him a roster spot. Since they drafted two centers in the first round and I think they had already signed Double D, Kerfoot might have thought the competition was going to be too dicey for him. Apparently Hayes and Vesey either didn't or couldn't sell him on the Rangers.

HellsKitchen


Fri Dec 1 2017 7:53 am EST

schneidw - LOL! Wish that was the case man, and if it is/was, then I think there's been a 180 since the season started. Just this week, one of the NHL beat writers (Pierre LeBrun maybe?) was gushing over the Isles' new practice facility...and just as that story was hitting the wire, there was another where Tavares' teammates were basically laughing at the notion that he'd leave the team...granted, you wouldn't expect them to say otherwise, but my bet at this point is that Tavares is going nowhere...I do think KERFOOT'S decision was likely because the Avs promised him a top-6 role. The organization probably told him DUCHENE is on his way out and once he's gone, he'd be their number 2 center behind MacKINNON. In New York, his only real option was to start as the fourth line center, with a chance to grab the third-line spot.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:36 pm EST

Kerfoot didnt sign w the NYRs because his agent advised him that the NYRs will sign Tavares this summer so there will be no spot for him next year

schneidw


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:34 pm EST

WTF??!! The concussion ZBAD is suffering from was courtesy of a hit where HELM jumped 2 feet of the ice.... leaping off the ice is a blatant penalty... check the vid http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/11/30/mika-zibanejeds-concussion-a-tough-pill-to-swallow-for-the-rangers/

schneidw


Thu Nov 30 2017 8:20 pm EST

The Kerfoot kerfuffle....Sather probably interjected during negotiations and told the kid there's a strong possibility he'd gey traded a year in for an aging veteran.

Rf4l


Thu Nov 30 2017 6:37 pm EST

TD.... Yeah, that seems to be waht Gorton's plan was and everyone in the know had Kerfoot coming here(McKenzie, Dreger, etc.). He would have been a solid replacement for Step. I don't get what Colorado sold him on, unless it was a promise of 1st line minutes(no matter what). That and maybe not having to deal with the NY Media.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 30 2017 6:10 pm EST

Ok....so the easy part of our schedule is done. Now we’ll find out what this team is all about and if we have a backup Goalie that can give us 15-20 solid starts. The real season has arrived !

melvillefred


Thu Nov 30 2017 5:07 pm EST

oh joy..... Rick Carpiniello Retweeted MSG Networks‏Verified account @MSGNetworks 51m51 minutes ago "It's going to be exciting to get back with the group." - @RMcDonagh27

stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 5:06 pm EST

guess the ref closed his eyes.....https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/936290912812052480

stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 5:05 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack‏Verified account @WolfPackAHL [NEWS] Forward Dawson Leedahl has been reassigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack...........http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/news/detail/forward-dawson-leedahl-reassigned-to-wolf-pack

stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 5:03 pm EST

bring churtle up .....

stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 3:40 pm EST

TD: Depends on what you're responding to...

rf4L


Thu Nov 30 2017 2:49 pm EST

My take on GORTON not landing a replacement for STEPAN...and the trade itself...was that he banked on three very uncertain prospects...first, that he'd land BOZAK...baring that, that he'd get KERFOOT(who has 17 points in 23 games with the Avs) and all that failing, that he'd be able to ride ANDERSSON and NIEVES with a UFA like DESHARNAIS if anything bad happened to his top two. He basically failed on all three...part right on Nieves, but...losing Z...well...that doesn't bode well...then again, their offense certainly didn't suffer on Monday...

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 2:45 pm EST

RF4L - You're kidding, right?

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 2:45 pm EST

I think it's a go-for-it-now trade for Shero, because he most certainly overpaid for VATANEN. HENRIQUE for him would have been fair. And BLANDISI is a pretty solid prospect...definitely an NHLer...and a third...So it's a trade that took balls...he's really hoping Vatanen is the last piece. It's a good year to make a move like that, considering how wide open the race for the cup is right now...and I don't foresee it changing much...all of the powerhouse teams of the past have serious holes...and there are a number of teams that are ready for the next step...Sort of begs the question to why, after dropping the ill-timed STEPAN bombshell, Gorton continues to sit on his hands...Seems to me that, despite the Devils' strong start, they're a team that is no more or less flawed that the Rangers.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 2:16 pm EST

I was screaming for a center (not DD) all off season not only becasue I dion't like the Ranger set up down the middle one bit but also, becuase, one long injury to the top three and they were sunk...Hopefully, the guys will rise up and prove me wrong and, more importantly, it's only for a few games....MF - Totally correct that as it has been all year, this is the time for MILLER, KREIDER and maybe even HAYES to accept and push the leadership mantle up front...

Hospo


Thu Nov 30 2017 1:02 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/30/mika-zibanejad-concussion-is-crushing-to-rangers/

mf


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:55 pm EST

Defense is recognized as the Devil's biggest weakness. Shero addressing that with this trade.

rf4l


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:32 pm EST

NJ may see VANTENAN as a way to help fill the void of ADAM LARSEN from the Taylor Hall trade

mf


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:04 pm EST

Ray Shero doing a commendable job in NJ. He's really reshaped the look and feel of that team, transitioning it from being a boring, trapping, defensive team to one that's full of speed, skill and offense. Vatanen will only help in that regard. Very impressive.

rf4l


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:02 pm EST

re HOLLAND: looks like a career AHL'er/Tweener: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7445

mf


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:01 pm EST

So the Pack lose again? Fire Gernander!

rf4l


Thu Nov 30 2017 12:00 pm EST

Peter Holland is another in a long line of guys who's skillset is undermined by his commitment to play hard and play consistently. He's settled into being a career AHLer AFAIC. If he gets recalled by the Rangers unless he has a career epiphany, it'll only be a matter of time before he's benched, then pressboxed, then farmed out again. That said, if he was acquired for the Pack, then it's a decent move because he does appear to be able to produce offensively at that level.

rf4l


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:54 am EST

IMHO Kreider played the most dominant game of his Ranger career last game vs the Panthers... He and Buch dominated, set each other up for similar type goals, and then DESHARNAIS filled in admirably... Miller & Hayes also played well, but my point is that last game "could be" the beginning of a changing of the guards / core where Kreider, Miller, Hayes, are doing the heavy lifting and carrying this team.... Not a moment too late... again, jmho

mf


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:41 am EST

AAAAAANND...worst fears confirmed: Z out with a concussion.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:40 am EST

TDCHI - You Guessed it...New York Rangers?@NYRangers OFFICIAL: #NYR Mika Zibanejad is not on the ice today and is out due to a concussion....Was only a matter of time before injuruies hit the Rangers like they have other teams

Hospo


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:38 am EST

Is this the same Peter Holland that was a center for the Leafs a few year back? was a decent 4th line Center then..

Hospo


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:32 am EST

re: HOLLAND - Here's the plus side: Holland is a billion times more talented than Adam CRACKNELL, who is the most worthless Ranger I can remember over the past five or so seasons. And the fact he's gone makes the team that much better. I mentioned Holland over the summer and maybe again when he was waived by the Canadiens. Very talented player who has never been able to pull it together with any consistency. I suspect the move is to sure up the Pack, which have been playing absolutely horrendously lately...the negative side: I have a feeling this wasn't to sure up the Pack and that ZIBANAJED'S injury might be a little worse than DTD...

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 11:21 am EST

Wow. Always like DORSETT and was sorry to see him go. Real tough break for a player who is all heart: http://www.sportingnews.com/nhl/news/vancouver-canucks-derek-dorsett-injury-update-health-concerns-active-roster-neck/1rtv6ixz5fmls1et9bk4znuo1q

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:59 am EST

Breaking news Big trade.....The Montreal Canadiens have completed a minor trade, swapping minor league forward Peter Holland for Adam Cracknell from the New York Rangers. Cracknell was claimed off waivers from the Dallas Stars earlier this year, but will report directly to the AHL’s Laval Rocket for the time being.

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:46 am EST

That said, Ryan GRAVES was a healthy scratch the other night. I'm a little surprised that wasn't mentioned among the dooming and glooming around the Pack. He came back in the lineup last night for what was roundly described as another Pack tire-fire of a game.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:44 am EST

Gonna start sounding like a broken record on this, but here it is again: DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING YOU READ ON BLUELINESTATION. The site is absolute shit and it's content is either 1. Flat-out wrong; or 2. Based solely on the opinion of a casual fan --most likely kids. And not even smart ones who understand hockey. We're talking aspiring teenage sports writers who watched their first hockey game last week. I've yet to read anything of value on that site or a writer who knew his/her ass from his/her elbow. For example: While DeANGELO hasn't been good with the Pack...I can't recall a single time when he was a healthy scratch. Hell, he started the game last night. It's not to say the news is rosy with him...it's not...but you're better off asking the opinions of folks who watch the Pack regularly, and not some jerk-off who pulls up hockeydb.com and writes an article about them.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:32 am EST

Man, the Devils are ALL-IN this year. The definitely overpaid for VATANEN...and if that is what the Ducks were asking for him, I don't blame the Rangers, if they ever were interested, for not biting. Vatanen is a solid RHD, but man...trading a 30-goal scorer and a solid prospect AND a third rounder? Highway robbery. But make no mistake, the Devils are a better team today.

tdchi


Thu Nov 30 2017 10:22 am EST

WOW---Anaheim Ducks?@AnaheimDucks BREAKING: #NHLDucks acquire centers Adam Henrique, Joseph Blandisi and a 2018 third-round draft pick from the @NJDevils for defenseman Sami Vatanen and a conditional draft pick.

Hospo


Thu Nov 30 2017 8:35 am EST

As of today the nyr are in 14 th place in the league, with the fishstinks, debbies, and the showers ahead of them in 7,8,&9 spots .

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 30 2017 8:09 am EST

We're not trading McDonagh. At least not in season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 30 2017 8:03 am EST

I get the concern about Pavelec but he needs to play more before deciding whether he's a worthy backup or not. This guy is a guy who once started 68 games for the Jets and who's used to playing considerably more games than he's on pace for now. And it's just plain dumb IMO to have the 35 year old Lundqvist play 70 games.

rf4L


Thu Nov 30 2017 1:28 am EST

Keep Nash..Keep MCD...at least until FEB..Trading MCD is a huge step back quit job

Hospo


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:28 pm EST

Maybe DeAngelo getting recalled? Maybe pressboxed?

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:15 pm EST

mf: Nope, not gonna happen.

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 9:50 pm EST

Nash 4 Kane!?!?

mf


Wed Nov 29 2017 9:47 pm EST

schneidw...link isn't working dude! lol

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 9:41 pm EST

writer indicated DeAngelo has been a healthy scratch in Hartford??????????????

schneidw


Wed Nov 29 2017 9:40 pm EST

Uh Oh!!! https://bluelinestation.com/2017/11/27/new-york-rangers-hartford-wolfpack-filip-chytil/ WRITER

schneidw


Wed Nov 29 2017 9:35 pm EST

This Staal getting traded 'business' needs to end too. That guy is going nowhere until/unless the Rangers buy him out. There's an excellent chance, traded or not, McD will be gone from the organization before Staal is. And why the hell would he agree to be traded to Buffalo in the first place???

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 7:16 pm EST

I don’t necessarily agree that the Sabres need D....Ristolainen, Bogosian, Scandella, Beaulieu, and McCabe is a pretty good top five. ...But if that’s the case AND theyre willin to take a contract back...STAAL has looked pretty good this year. Kind of doubt he’d want to go to Buffalo...but that’s another issue altogether...and let’s just end this McD business. Guy is going nowhere. Not at least until the Rangers have a better idea of his contract demands.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:34 pm EST

NY might just be a perfect landing spot for Evander Kane. He needs to find a home and feel wanted. That said, no to the rental route, unless he'd be willing to sign for less. #UFA in 2018.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:27 pm EST

Kane is a pure rental BTW. I'd be extremely leery of resigning him given his sordid history of being a selfish player with a habit of creating all kinds of crap away from the ice. He's keeping his nose clean so far I suspect because he knows if not, he'll be looking at a pay cut next contract.

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:24 pm EST

Not saying one for one but defense is where the Sabres are looking to shore up and they aren't really interested in prospects and draft picks. McD for Reinhart and Kane?

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:21 pm EST

TD: Start with McD...

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:01 pm EST

So the rumor du jour is that he Sabres are not only looking to trade Evander KANE, but that he could be moved as early as the holiday freeze...if not then, shortly after...and that to sweeten the deal, the Sabres are willing to eat some of his $5.25 million contract...Now, I've never been a fan of Kane. Always thought he had an ego not befit of what he's done on the ice...and the guy, if he keeps this pace, will be up for not only the salary he is earning, but likely a raise and a LT contract...say $6.5 million over six...And he's anything but consistent...But his skill set...toughness...quick...not afraid to drop the gloves...he would be another I'd love to see on the wing with MILLER and GRABNER...very conflicted, but I would certainly check to see what the Sabres want.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 5:43 pm EST

KIS - I personally don't think GEORGIEV is ready for the NHL. Ditto with NELL. The guy who I think would probably be top on my list outside of SHESTERKIN is probably Adam HUSKA. He's a kid who continues to play real well in the NCAA and was absolutely lights-out on a very weak team in the WJCs...but that does us absolutely no good now...I suppose one of either Nell or Georgiev might be able to hop in for a game...lord knows both of them are used to having almost no D in front of them. Maybe being with the Rangers would be a welcome improvement...All I know is that PAVELEC, as of now, seems like a REALLY shaky tender. I kind of clinched up every time Florida shot the puck.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 3:14 pm EST

instead of Pavelec as backup how about the russian kid playing in Hartford He is Young maybe some work with Benny could make him a suitable backup?

Kis


Wed Nov 29 2017 12:55 pm EST

RF4L - you asked about ZBAD - late in the game against the Canucks he was hammered in our far defensive corner and looked shaken up but the camera panned away and they never mentioned it again, maybe it's related to that?

LeoS


Wed Nov 29 2017 12:47 pm EST

As far as the trade front is concerned, with a 1st commitment to play ""Miller in the Middle"" and with 1/4 of the season played, the organization can proceed to formulating trade strategies..... Look how long it took just to assign MILLER to center... a Wing (preferably a RHS) and a RHS Defensemen (not necessarily in that order) are the next targets..... The Bait? RICK NASH, Deangelo (maybe), a prospect (I hate parting with any of our Yutes), a draft pick? the trade front has been quiet, could be the season...... And BTW, was Rick Nash credited for "a Hit" on that goaltender interference call? Ha.

mf


Wed Nov 29 2017 12:43 pm EST

I’ve been down on Pavelic since they signed him. Talbot was a late blooming prospect and became a starter on his own. Raanta played big minutes in big situations for Chicago. So you knew he was a player. Shows that the New York Rangers have been a little lucky when it came to a goalies. Pavelic is not the answer. He’s just a bandaid that keeps coming off. It’s just the way of things right now. But the Shestyorkin era is coming. Can’t wait to hear Sam, “save by Shestyorkin...” watch him throw his paperwork up in the air and walk out of the building. Seen next doing play by play on 60+ beach volleyball championships...

E


Wed Nov 29 2017 12:37 pm EST

re: HARTFORD: Without knowing one way or the other what the organizational mindset is, if the Pack is emulating the Big Club for the purpose of continuity, is it any wonder that they are all over the map defensively?

mf


Wed Nov 29 2017 11:52 am EST

PJ is spot on: They were controlling the play after the first. Just minutes spent cycling in the Panthers' end...which brings me to a point I forgot to make: For the first time in a very long time, I don't feel comfortable at all with the Rangers' backup goalie. Could be that PAVELEC is rusty. Could also be that he's done. But he's not making the saves that we used to be able to expect from RAANTA and TALBOT. Maybe that means they need to start him more. Maybe that means it's time to go shopping.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 11:47 am EST

WIOSA - Can't disagree. But if we're talking about them coming out flat, I don't think the first period was all that bad. Certainly wasn't great, but the goals that went in were stinkers. As much as the past two wins were on Hank, this loss was pretty much square on his shoulders.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 11:44 am EST

Yeah, I can't disagree with anything being said about DeANGELO. I can say that I never really had high hopes for him...thought that at least he'd stick around as a seventh defender...but who knows? It's a long season. But again...if the Rangers explore trade options, I would certainly dangle him out there...maybe for someone else's problem child. I don't think a change of scenery has done squat for him.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 11:25 am EST

I think Fishboy did a great job creating a false expectation on DeAngelo when he used his name to further justify his trade. The reality is as we’ve seen. He is an her talented kid with a lot of piss and vinegar to his game who doesn’t know where the defensive side of the ice is and how to be selfless in puck support. Couple this with his well documented off ice world and you’ve got the guy as advertised. It’ll be interesting to see if his game refined in the least since he’s been on the bus. Not optimistic that he is going to end up being part of the long term plan for the team.

E


Wed Nov 29 2017 11:11 am EST

Yesterday was the last Today for Matt Lauer.

RF73


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:44 am EST

Where In the World Is Matt Lauer? The unemployment line. I'm glad that was finally answered.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:43 am EST

New York Post Sports‏Verified account @nypostsports .... BREAKING: ESPN announces that 150 employees have been laid off

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:43 am EST

TD... A couple of games ago, DeAngelo was fighting with some of his followers on his Twitter feed about his past allegations. You know how many trolls there are on Twitter? I don't think the maturity thing has quite taken hold yet.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 29 2017 10:01 am EST

Tough loss but a bad game from Hank was coming....Probably should have sat this one out...That said the Rangers outplayed the Panthers for most of the game....More offensive zone time than I can remember seeing in a long time....Horrible time to fall apart with two minutes left...Holden and Smith couldn't have played that any worse and not sure what the forwards were doing....Agree with TD on Holden and Kampfer....They are playing well for the most part but are not the answer back there....And you never know when Smith is going to do something really stupid....

PJ


Wed Nov 29 2017 8:46 am EST

WIOSA: Agreed. It's a problem without a doubt that as you say has persisted for over 2 years now. If not reduced in frequency (and I purposely avoid saying eliminate altogether because every team has lapses now and again), it'll be a dogfight to make the POs (currently they are sitting 2 points out of the 2nd wild card spot) and if they make it, a quick ousting, ala the last 2 PO years. Gone are 2 from the core's leadership pack; not gone is the issue. Still here is the head coach. Not a coincidence. Then again, how do fire a coach when the team is 2 points out of a PO spot after making up so much ground due to a horrid start? Well, you don't unless the wheels come off again and I suspect they won't. I also suspect what you see is what you get. For some, that'll do. For me? Nada. This team is a work in progress IMO. What work remains is the question and the answer lays with the GM. What is he thinking? Or perhaps what handicap is he operating under, courtesy of Dolans and Sather? Impossible to say; instead we have to wait and see. A tad frustrating, isn't it?

rf4L


Wed Nov 29 2017 8:24 am EST

TD, youre right, theyre missing two important players and most importantly Hank was off his game (cant imagine why). That said, there is truly something not right about this team. They have the talent to compete (not for the cup yet) but they always take one period and act like theyve never taken one shift with each other before. This is not a new complaint, only that now it's the first period and going into the second. WHY cant this team play 60 minutes? What the hell? This is going on for a few years now. I like AV, but I look at coaching. Just MHO

WIOSA


Wed Nov 29 2017 7:35 am EST

TD....re DeAngrlo...yep!

Rf4l


Wed Nov 29 2017 7:24 am EST

RF4L - The hope with DeANGELO when he came to the team was that his issues were maturity related. And frankly, he's was one of the guys in the bargain bin I suggested the Rangers should look at...also mentioned Connor MURPHY before he was traded to the Hawks, and that's who they should have targeted instead...I'm not ready to write DeAngelo off either...and hopefully you're right: He's working on his D at the behest of his offense. But the fact remains neither D nor offense have been very good in Hartford lately. In truth, they've been really horrific. And when you have someone like DeAngelo...a guy who is high-skill and with NHL experience...he should be eating that league up...I should also add that with KAMPFER getting regular time...well...he should be in New York. None of this bodes well for the future with DeAngelo.

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 7:19 am EST

No surprises last night. The Rangers missing two of their best players and the third being overworked. If there is a real takeaway from last night, it's that the Rangers' depth isn't what it once was and that if they get bitten by the injury bug for any lengthy duration, they're sank...Also, that KAMPFER-HOLDEN is nice to ride for short stretches...but clearly they need an upgrade on D --whether its internally(i.e. PIONK) or externally...Some other takeaways: Man, HAYES can control the puck. He absolutely DOMINATED the Panthers for large stretches of that game. Now here's the caveat: I counted at least three times where if he had taken a shot, there's a good chance either he or someone on his line would have scored. The guy looks for the pass 110 percent of the time...Wildcard was joking the other day about ZUCC getting all confused on his GWG because he didn't have someone to pass to...well Hayes literally threw away two-on-one simply because he couldn't convince himself to shoot...that has got to change...it DID change with the rest of the team. There was a reason they clawed their way back, and it was because almost EVERYONE was shooting. A lot too...Nevertheless, I was surprised by the comeback. Not surprised by the finish. I know I said yesterday not to expect a big trade as the Rangers hover around playoff contention...but the more I think about it, the more I think they need to do something bold. And if I were in the GM seat, I think I'd be looking at all options...I don't, however, think Gorton feels the same way...

tdchi


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:11 am EST

And if assvipe has a timeout, he probably wouldn’t have used it. He crumbles under pressure.

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 29 2017 6:10 am EST

Hospo Typical assvipe on blowing a game with his d decisions . At least he’s consistent in showing a preview of his playoff persona . He’ll blame ruff. Glad I missed the end of the game. He had no timeout since the refs fell for the goalie going into Nash making it look like incidental contact. Your favorite announcer valliquette stated it as an absolute fact , calling for the nhl to have a former goalie working in Toronto. He even admitted to acting when he played. Some day the nhl might have real credibility with their refs and how they enforce the rules. It’s rare players get called for acting or diving.

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 11:45 pm EST

Wow. Sorry to read about Eli today. He deserves better than the way he's being treated by the Giants. It seems like he's played his last game in NY.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 28 2017 11:04 pm EST

Jordan Eberle up to 10 goals now for the Islanders. Escaping the pressure cooker of Edmonton working for 2 of the big 3 $6,000,000 players. Makes one wonder how RNH might do if moved to a new team...

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 10:58 pm EST

Met division shaping up to be ridiculously competitive. 2 eastern wildcard spots held by metro teams (Washington and Pittsburgh no less) with the Rangers the next behind those.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 10:42 pm EST

Rick Nash, 4 SOG, ZERO points......

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 10:40 pm EST

Hospo: Holden & Smith were on for the 3rd or 4th GA too

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 10:16 pm EST

I know it’s a broken record but why are they unprepared to play??? It’s almost every game! The talent is there... I still say a new coach will get better results

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:54 pm EST

Holden and Smith on ice with a minute to go? Ok..Great comeback but blew it by not being ready in the beginning..Another sloppy, meh non-physical NHL game..par for the course

Hospo


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:49 pm EST

sjw: Yep and if not corrected, it'll be one and done come the POs - if they get there. Right now, they are outside looking in.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:49 pm EST

BTW, funny how I post that Holden is 2nd on the team in +/- and he gives away the game like that! LOLOLOL....

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:48 pm EST

Locomotive derailed

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:48 pm EST

Glad we lost... play sloppy like that and win .. bad habits continue.. lose and maybe smarten up with the puck.. puck management has been an issue all year .. too many unforced GWA's

sjw


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:48 pm EST

OMG, the Rangers pull their goalie and proceed to give it away 3 times in 5 seconds. Oh well, this was coming.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:48 pm EST

Nick Holden to the rescue for the Panthers

Bob


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:46 pm EST

What a shitty way to lose the game

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:44 pm EST

Hand away by Smith followed by a hand away by Holden. GOAL!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:44 pm EST

Holden with the giveaway

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:42 pm EST

This team is hard on the heart.

Wiosa


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:37 pm EST

Told YA.....WOOT WOOT WOOT WOOT

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:36 pm EST

Three assists for Deja Nay in place of Sinbad

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:35 pm EST

DD with 3 assists tonight! LOL...

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:32 pm EST

Nice goal. Those are Kreider's bread and butter for sure. DD is so weak defensively and in wall battles but his skills with the puck are very very good.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:32 pm EST

Wow wee

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:30 pm EST

By the 'NHL' I mean the opposing teams....

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:30 pm EST

Part of the reason the Ranger PP has dipped is the NHL adjusted to what was making it work: Shattenkirk. They are crowding him when he gets the puck - when the PP was clicking he had more room. It's adjustment time - jury's out with this coaching staff on how long it'll take for that!!!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:29 pm EST

No shots on goal on that powerless play

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:26 pm EST

Call for Philip Morris… And a timely power-play goal

rf73


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:25 pm EST

Its....Coming Woot woot woot woot

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:24 pm EST

What a shift. Hayes/Nash/Vesey...that's a big line.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:22 pm EST

Ahhh..Nieves!! Geesh...

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:19 pm EST

Keep playing Vesey!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:16 pm EST

What's wrong with ZBAD? Is the Rangers lack of depth at center about to get severely tested?

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:13 pm EST

That d-man knew Hayes would pass so didn't bother to even worry about the shot.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 9:06 pm EST

Bob: I'd extend that to almost every freakin' penalty player on player penalty in the rulebook. Just so bad. I get that the game is fast and players cheat and all that so expecting perfection (or even close to it) would be asinine. But, geesh it's so beyond time to try something very different, like take one of those refs off the ice, put him high up and mic him to one of the ice. The answer? Hell, I don't know but it seems to make a little sense so what not try it? Or try something instead of pretending all is fine. What a league!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:59 pm EST

Rolling craps is more consistent than the goalie interference rule.

Bob


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:57 pm EST

Problem is, AV will reign that behaviour in eventually. Whistle to whistle after all.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:55 pm EST

Someone should take a page out of Buchnevich page and show more passion

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:52 pm EST

Love what he just did....

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:51 pm EST

BUCHNEVICH!!!!!! Man is this kid suprising, yeah!!!!

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:51 pm EST

BUCH!!!!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:49 pm EST

That was no penalty, that was a clean hit on Nash, sympathy call because they effed up the call on Kreider.....

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:48 pm EST

And it gets evened up with another questionable call. LOLOLOL...stupid league.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:47 pm EST

What a ridiculous bad call....geeesh. This league really sucks sometimes. So much wrong with it.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:47 pm EST

Refs suck

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:46 pm EST

my Yoh crack me up

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:46 pm EST

Rebound Reimer!

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:45 pm EST

Woossification of hockey

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:43 pm EST

Qualification of hockey

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:40 pm EST

No Goal! Insert Stromboli.......

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:35 pm EST

Rangerlou: I love being wrong! Lol I do think we have some solid talent and with more cohesive coaching and another depth player we can make some noise

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:35 pm EST

my Papa John's Locomotive

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:33 pm EST

rngsans- Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:30 pm EST

Locomotive KREIDER on that play... Holy Shit, he has it in him, who's going to stop that? Nobody! That's the Kreider that can dominate..... Good job

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:22 pm EST

His decisions have been so bad yet they had been winning despite them....

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:21 pm EST

Fu.... bad coach again! How the hell does AV still have a damn job

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 8:11 pm EST

Jitterbug

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:48 pm EST

Sooooooo much for my victory stromboli ;-(

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:41 pm EST

The hank stank thank the nyr

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:41 pm EST

Again bad coaching

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:41 pm EST

I said we needed to pull him. Why wait until down 3!

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:34 pm EST

Nice start....was coming tho...

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:28 pm EST

Not blaming Hank. He’s been the main reason we’ve won so many lately. But he needs to rest and the team needs to wake up Put in Pavelik

rngrsans


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:28 pm EST

Ohhhhhhhhhh Boy

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:26 pm EST

Let's go Rangers!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:18 pm EST

Pretty funny that one of the biggest wall whipping boys Holden is 2nd on the team with a +7.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:05 pm EST

Hopefully DeAngelo is doing little offensively in Hartford because he's concentrating on learning the defensive side of his game. From what I saw, it's clear he's got legitimate offensive skills, but his positioning defensively is lacking. He's also guilty of forcing plays, which isn't unusual for young skilled players. The latter is hardly helped by the horrid start virtually every Ranger had before he was farmed out. Bottom line for me is this: It's way too early to write this kid off. That said, if a GM comes a-calling with a good offer for him, Gorton should consider it. Toss him away, however, is bad asset management.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 7:02 pm EST

No ZBAD tonight

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 6:23 pm EST

mf - I would gleefully trade DeANGELO and a second for VIRTANEN at this point. He's been a real dud in Hartford...pretty much the same guy we saw on the Rangers, sans any offensive ability. I fear he's circling the 'bust' drain...and the Canucks already have an underperforming PMD on the right side by the name of Jordan SUBBAN...I suspect it would take more than DeA to land Virtanen, unless you threw in something to significantly sweeten the pot. And TBH, I have a feeling he's getting a bit of the JT MILLER treatment right now...they realize flaws in his game and are riding him hard until he corrects them...And when he does, he'll end up in the top six with big minutes. But that's just a suspicion.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 6:14 pm EST

I strongly suspect if the prospect isn't a bluechipper, the Canucks will ask for a first for Virtanen.

rf4L


Tue Nov 28 2017 6:07 pm EST

BTW, the other guy I've been wanting the Rangers to grab --Stefan MATTEAU --just got called up by the Vegas Knights. Though his numbers in the A seem fairly unremarkable.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 5:23 pm EST

make it a Friday the 13th...that's in April ....Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay 4h4 hours ago Injured Ryan McDonagh skates with NYR, hopes for Friday return, projected lineup for tonight vs. FLA https://nwsdy.li/2zLcXID via @newsday the 13th....rest up and pack your bags....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 5:23 pm EST

TD: a 2nd and a prospect for Virtanen? Hmmm, is it too soon to cut bait with Anthony Deangelo? and would Vancouver be interested in the young RHS D'man? t/y

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 5:01 pm EST

RF4L - re: VIRTANEN, yeah I was kind of hoping the relationship between him and GREEN had soured in Utica...sounds like there was a lot of tough love down there...and now with the Canucks. I think with Virtanen, there is a lot of potential. But like the article says, it's consistency. And also, he is well-known for taking things a too far. Pretty much singlehandidly sank Canada during the WJCs a few years back, thanks to all his dumb penalties. But that said, he would be an outstanding grab...and TBH, I wouldn't be overly surprised if the Canucks look to move him at some point soon. He's going to have to go through waivers after this season and he's an RFA...and the Canucks are absolutely LOADED with forward prospects...they're not going to give him away...but I bet if the Rangers offered a second and a decent prospect, the Canucks would let him go. The expectation was that he was going to take a big step in Utica, and if not there, at the top of this season. But after a monster camp, he's been really quiet...his speed, tenacity and skill would be a PERFECT fit on MILLER'S flank. Get those two with GRABNER? OUCH.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 4:03 pm EST

VIC: I think the PP is just cold right now. Of all things I am worried about I’m not worried about the PP. it’ll heat up. The turnovers are a problem but they’ve shown the ability to tighten back up.

E


Tue Nov 28 2017 3:44 pm EST

VIC - The thing is, most of the hockey in the NHL is ugly and disjointed with the focus on offensive speed....I watched the crap of the Flyer-Penguin game last night..sloppy all over..But, I agree, It's AVs job to tighten this team up...We have seen them and him do it...why they can't do it consistently is beyond me....It starts with the forwards being speed and goal happy..and torpedos the entire team....

Hospo


Tue Nov 28 2017 3:41 pm EST

TDCHI - I wouldn't expect or hope for anything different....With MILLER seemingly entrenched in Center, they can ride this team for a few months unless there are huge injuries.....BUT...The schedule does get pretty rough from the 2nd half of December and on...maybe CHYTL gets added after the Worlds....ONly move for a healthy team might be a 4th Center..UNTIL NEAR THE DEADLINE...If this team is showing that it can contend, I expect a move for a vet forward....I only see selling of anybody if th Rangers are floundering bad...

Hospo


Tue Nov 28 2017 3:36 pm EST

RF$L - How bout keep Nash and trade foe Neal? Go For It Baby! Nah, neal too pricey even for me..

Hospo


Tue Nov 28 2017 3:27 pm EST

E: True, but it is funny how quickly that can turn into a losing streak. Right now they are turning the puck over at a ridiculous rate. All of them. In the last two games their failure to get the puck deep was maddening. For 4.5 out of the last 6 regulation periods they have played ugly, disjointed hockey. Their PP has been awful. They have trouble even gaining the zone and that chemistry that they showed a few weeks ago with the puck in the O Zone on the PP is gone. Everyone is standing around again. The PK has been good, but that is mostly because HANK has been fantastic. So if HANK is merely good tonight they are going to get beat by a few goals. Then they have Carolina, Pittsburgh, Washington and the Devils over an 8 day span. Not a good time to be playing like crap. But they can just as easily get things rolling again if they get back to playing the simple game that helped them turn things around after a horrible start. Lets see how they play tonight.

Vic


Tue Nov 28 2017 2:06 pm EST

VIC: right now they are ripe for a loss but they’re pointed in the right direction. Even when you have your crappiest stuff and you’re still winning? That’s okay.

E


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:44 pm EST

RF4L: Regarding your post yesterday, YES I am extremely concerned with how sloppy the Rangers have been playing. Actually, their entire game has dropped off a great deal since they were on a roll. These last two games have the stench of a team that is at the end of a winning streak and has won a few that they should have lost. They were outplayed by Detroit and badly outplayed by Vancouver. HANK stole 2 points in both games. My guess is that they lose handily tonight. I'll call the score 5 to 2.

Vic


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:28 pm EST

Here's a quick reality check: None of the Rangers' big names are going anywhere unless A. The Rangers are firmly and squarely out of playoff contention before the deadline; and/or B. They are offered a deal too good to be true that both replaces said player and drastically improves their roster. Just not gonna happen folks...NEAL for NASH? Is that what we're a talking about? Not something Vegas will do when they're where they are in the standings. Not unless the Rangers package something nice with Nash...like a top prospect or first rounder. And then what point would that make? Unless the train rolls back off the tracks, I suspect what we'll see around January or before the deadline is the Rangers go dumpster diving for a center and another right-handed D-man. I suspect HOLDEN will be dangled. Maybe some of the aging prospects in Hartford. Could see DeANGELO also moved...he's been a major disappointment in Hartford and I think the odds are against him getting another call-up any time soon. But outside of that? I think what we have is what we'll make a run with.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:14 pm EST

And for the record: Letters To Cleo was a band before its time.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:14 pm EST

Whoa...talk about a deal that would have caused a ripple in history: In Håkan Anderssons new book it comes to light that in 1991 #NYR offered Stephen Rice to #RedWings for Nicklas Lidström. Bryan Murray turned the deal down after a long deliberation.

tdchi


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:00 pm EST

RF: I did not suggest trading for Neal, but will review.... I had a typo in there.... Cowboy Neal is the bus driver, get with it old timer! :->)

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 12:49 pm EST

If you're gonna trade for pending ufa Neal you may as well not and keep Nash.

Rf4l


Tue Nov 28 2017 12:07 pm EST

etiquetteLegs: you're correct (don't let it go to your head) "IF" anyone was offended by my reference that considering trading McDonagh was silly, I apologize...... Stevie: as you and everyone else here can recall, 2-3 years ago McDonagh played through the playoffs with a broken foot, the player, coaching staff, and the Brass all knew his condition and AV chose to dress 7 dmen.... Many here played Monday morning Quarterback and were hemming and hooting about allowing him to play through it.... Fast forward to last season; ERIK KARLSSON played with broken bones in his foot/ankle and managed to help the Senators beat the Rangers only to lose to the Penns, wonder if the Senator fans were upset?!?....... Back to the original point; the way I currently see it, trading RICK NASH sometime between now and the trade deadline makes much sense and has the potential "to help" bring an attractive return......... AS far as "Driving the bus, COWBOY NEAL Neal will be at the WHEEL, listen if you dare!" ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tfVQ7ug-jg

mf


Tue Nov 28 2017 5:03 am EST

Irving moofman during further deliberations, silly putz might be more appropriate. ... fishboy is highly unlikely to make any trades if they continue to win like they have been, and are playoff bound. Assvipe will talk about another kick at the can. I’m all for going for it every year , but he needs to change his mindset during the playoffs, and call it The Cup.

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 4:45 am EST

Irving moofman part of the Nash trade will include you driving the bus and staying with him wherever he’s traded to and you become a fan of that team .... bye bye.... who are you to call other trade possibilities silly ? Move along putty. ....Captain mcdoodie parmenter brings back the highest return, and so far the nyr don’t miss him. I’m really tired of this guy playing hurt making like he’s a hero and a martyr. He has cost the nyr games and playoff series with that bs.

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 4:39 am EST

Trade why didn’t you call miss Cleo ? Irving moofman probably has her number. Can you give the winning lottery numbers before they pick them ?

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 28 2017 1:50 am EST

I plugged the #s into my super computer and it spit out this - --- - Rangers will go 34-19-5 in the last 58 games......

tradestar28


Tue Nov 28 2017 12:14 am EST

TD/RF et al: Trading NASH should keep the squeamishment away and would be trading a vet for younger talent.... If Nash loves to call NY home as much as he says he does, he will price himself in a very attractive manner in the offseason so that the Rangers re-sign him... In the meantime, it would be a sin to pass up the opportunity to reap compensation in trade... NASH has proven that he is Not the difference maker come playoffs for this team... Another team with another makeup may find him as their miossing piece and he may be able to help them, but it has not happened on this squad with the Rangers. I'm not saying that Nash has not contributed and been a good Ranger, he has, but I would not pass up trading him.... The talk about trading McDonagh seems silly to me... As for MZA, he seems somewhat reborn being off of a line with Rick Nash. I'm not saying that Nash dragged MZA down, I just think they don't have the chemistry to generate points.... I would not entertain trading MZA at this point, but I will continue to drive the trade Rick Nash bus....

mf


Mon Nov 27 2017 10:31 pm EST

TD: Here's a story on one the many abrasive playing kids you've touted as possible Ranger targets...you are looking right on this particular call: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/virtanen-needs-find-consistency-become-everyday-nhler/

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 8:59 pm EST

TDICHI: I always pegged the beginning of the end for SMITH was the horrid trade w LA KINGS where he gave up NORDSTROM... pathetic and desperate...

schneidw


Mon Nov 27 2017 8:57 pm EST

Trade Target for GORTO? http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/leafs-ice-chips-nylander-practices-on-fourth-line~1271361

schneidw


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:56 pm EST

E: Agreed that's where the bulk of the hand-aways originate from. Also agree that when sloppy across the lineup it looks really really bad. The King made 5 to 6 amazing saves starting late in the 2nd right thru to the OT. Without him, the Rangers would have lost.

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:54 pm EST

Rhet: There you go. I incorrectly named Checketts as the villian. It was that idiot Dolans who was trying to prove to daddy he could turn a profit. As I mused, Dolans likely blocked any trading of Graves and Richter (or even Leetch) but knew nothing of Sundstrom and Cloutier (or Savard). Another shining example of owner meddling that does nothing back screw up an organization. Then he attempts to rectify things by hiring Sather and handing the man the keys, keys Sather then used to turn the franchise into the laughing stock of NA professional sports. At least Sather finally saw the light (I assume it was him who did) in 2004 and started to go in the other direction. That said, who knows how horrid it would have gotten if the lockout and pending hard cap didn't come into existence.

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:36 pm EST

RF: I think you are seeing the same concerning tendency that comes back in too frequently. They get all kinds of loose on their end off of the counter attack. They really don’t like to chip and chase. They will but only when forced. Instead they try to make a skill play into the zone off of the rush and try to keep the defenders backed off as they love to use those numbers to get the puck E-W and get the goalie moving. Personally, I love that style of play. It’s dictates the pace of play in the offensive zone. When it isn’t, they turnover the puck a lot. Last game they were just sloppy. But as we’ve seen emerging, the New York Rangers can score quickly and a lot. When AV opens the flood gates and tells his guys to go for it, they do overwhelm with speed. The New York Rangers are truly at their best when they’ve got that transition off of the back check, stretch the ice and go the other way quickly. When they play loose on the blueline Lundqvist erases their mistakes and miscues. It’s razors edge hockey. But when your 4th line is so productive and fast? You are going to win hockey games. Lots of them. Playoffs? Not if you play Ottawa and they drown you into neutral and you’re only built to play one way.

E


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:23 pm EST

TD... Again.... I know Neil Smith is your favorite whipping boy, but both he and Dave Checketts have since said that those decisions were made by the new(-ish) owner, James Dolan. Smith also said he wanted to re-build in '99 but Dolan wouldn't have any of it.

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:16 pm EST

BTW, am I the only person on here who found the Rangers play yesterday against the Canucks way too sloppy way too often? I checked NHL.com for the give-away stats: As I mused late in the game yesterday, they had a whooping 22 of them (Canucks had nearly less than half at 12). That they got a point, let alone 2, is really quite astounding. I get the adage that good teams find a way to win but geesh, if that crap doesn't get reduced substantially they are in for some real trouble.

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 6:04 pm EST

TD: Re that lineup. Exactly - probably good enough to make the POs but ousted quickly. What is the point, especially after winning the cup in 94 and having some key aging veterans as part of the team? Dumb, unless a PO round is all you're content with. Is so, carry on. If not, just as I said earlier today and I said so many years ago: Smith should have traded Graves and Richter. Hell, he waited sooooooooooo long to do so, he got zippo for Graves and Richter, due to his advancing years and fragility, got hurt and retired. Just so damn short-sighted.

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 5:26 pm EST

At the risk of rekindling the SMITH debate, I think his record of trading young assets is pretty pronounced. He never had an issue with moving young players...the big difference in this case was that he attempted to recover from a number of epic-bad trades in one fell swoop. The problem was that draft was epic-bad. And if I recall correctly, everyone knew ahead of time how thin it was. I mean, really outside of the Sedin sisters, there was no one in the first who didn't have warts...certainly no one in the top 15 at least. LUNDMARK was coming off a rookie season in the WHL that was good, at best. And BRENDL already had a rep as a doughboy slacker. Of course, both picks were spit-shined by the Garden brass...I recall Lundmark being compared to YZERMAN...but for the sake of revisionist history, let's just undo those trades for a sec....Here's what the 1999-2000 Rangers look like: NEDVED-SAVARD-FLEURY(ouch), SUNDSTROM-YORK-GRAVES...And with CLOUTIER and RICHTER as a platoon. That could have very easily been a playoff team. Probably wouldn't have beaten the Devils, but certainly a better squad than some that made the Eastern Conference POs that year...and then just to think: Having a mature Savvy...I mean, I know he was pretty much reviled...but still.

tdchi


Mon Nov 27 2017 4:05 pm EST

BTW, Burke did pull a rabbit (well 2 rabbits) out of a hat with those deals to draft the twins. Probably his finest work. Of course, winning a cup in Anaheim is impressive but the bulk of that team was there before he arrived.

rF4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 4:03 pm EST

For me the biggest problem with the trades to land Brendl and Lundmark were the ages of the assets moved to acquire them (and I posted vehemently on here about it). Instead of moving Graves and/or Richter both of whom were starting to show their age, Smith elected, for whatever reason, to strip his club of the few young relatively established players it had. It was dumb and it was gutless. I totally get the need to acquire new talent but you do so, when the team is clearly not a cup contender (after having been one) it's via moving veterans who still have perceived value. Smith likely was blocked internally from doing the right thing - Checkets (I think he was the CEO then) likely knew and cared little about Sundstrom, Cloutier and Savard; he certainly knew about Richter and Graves, however, and feared an MSG backlash if either or both were traded. As I've said on here multiple times now, if you believe the Rangers as built now are a tweak or 2 away from being a cup contender, you keep McD; if you don't, you must explore trading him (and MZA). In 1999 it was obvious to some of us that the glory years with Graves and Richter were done - it was those guys who should have been traded for draft picks/prospects, not the precious few younger established players.

rF4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 2:26 pm EST

If anyone wants a personal look into why I get squeamish whenever an established, good NHLer is traded from the Rangers for picks, just read the Rangers' short hand in ensuring the SEDINS ended up on the Canucks...Scary to think the Rangers could have gone into 1999-2000 with SUNDSTROM, CLOUTIER, and SAVARD in the lineup, in addition to having the draft pick that was SAPRYKIN. Instead, we got two of the biggest bust in the draft and another decade without a top center.

tdchi


Mon Nov 27 2017 1:12 pm EST

good read on how vancouver got the sedin brothers. http://historicalhockey.blogspot.com/2014/10/how-did-canucks-draft-sedin-twins.html

richter35


Mon Nov 27 2017 11:58 am EST

You can argue that Sather wasn't responsible for bringing the two best players from the Oilers' dynasty --GRETZKY and MESSIER --to the team. You can also argue with confidence that he wasn't the sole so-called architect of the team. But after that, you're really on shaky ground. But you're absolutely flat-out wrong if you say Sather didn't have anything to do with the cups they won in Edmonton. For one, the guy was responsible for drafting COFFEY, KURRI, FUHR, Steve SMITH, and TIKKANEN...without which it's doubtful the Oilers would have won all those cups...and let's not forget who was behind the bench during all those cups. Say what you will about the absolute dominance of Gretzky and Messier back then...but without Sather, would they have won? Or would they have become the players they ultimately became? I know Sather isn't and never will be popular with Ranger fans...and I know plenty of folks who say he inflates his role in Edmonton...but the guy has four cup rings as a coach GM. And he's gotten the Rangers to the conference finals twice and the cup finals once. That is not by happenstance. That is not luck. That is a record that very few GMs can boast...I agree, the guy put his foot in his mouth and WAAAY overplayed his hand when he rolled into New York. But those first four miserable seasons got Sather to shift gears...and when he returned after the lockout, he made some pretty savvy moves to get the team back on solid footing...The other constant knock I read here --largely from RF4L --is that he trades away the farm at any given opportunity. Yet for someone with such a rep, he has a team filled with homegrown players now...12 players on the Rangers' roster were either drafted by the team or came up through their system. To put that in perspective, that's about the same as Lou Lam's Maple Leafs, which are the new darling of the NHL. So is Sather awesome? Nah. But he gets kicked around here pretty hard for his tenure, even though I can't recall a time when the Rangers had as much pronounced success as they've had over the past decade.

tdchi


Mon Nov 27 2017 10:14 am EST

Blaming but not giving credit to some extent doesn’t make sense. He won the cup 5 times . He will be in the hockey hall of fame... and if the nyr win while he’s still here some little credit will be due too along with the blame of pain during his reign of errors .....http://www.legendsofhockey.net/LegendsOfHockey/jsp/LegendsMember.jsp?mem=b199701&page=bio

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 27 2017 9:26 am EST

stevie: Well that wiki article doesn't say much about architecting the Oilers and is flat out wrong with the claim that 'he played a key role in attracting the talented players, including Wayne Gretzky...'. Sather had nothing to do with acquiring Gretzky - he was sold to Pocklington by Nelson Skalbannia during the WHA years (going from Inadianapolos to Edmonton) due to the latter's financial issues.

rf4L


Mon Nov 27 2017 8:30 am EST

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Sather

stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 10:52 pm EST

Stevie...given Sather's checkered record with the Rangers and his putrid first 5 years I am siding with york's claim that Sather had little to do from an architect perspective with the oiler dynasty.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:58 pm EST

Legs: maybe you can trade Sather back to Edmonton, throw RF a bone..

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:48 pm EST

Rf I don’t have an analysis of the pack problem. I don’t watch their games. But the Oilers have no real excuses except mismanagement by gms and coaches. With all the picks they have had , they should be a dynasty again but they are not. And you have to give the genius credit for what he accomplished there. It what caused his ego explosion to claim he could do it here. He hasn’t and they in Edmonton haven’t. Maybe they’ve been cursed too.

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:33 pm EST

RF: it’s just the New York Rangers are taking away our bitching power. However, some of what I’ve seen late are razors edge. Pucks are going in. When they stop scoring as much they’ve been sloppy enough that they’re gonna see a decent number of losses unless they button down.

E


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:11 pm EST

Funny how the wall is visited less when the Rangers are winning...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 8:10 pm EST

And one of the few legitimate claims of blowhard Burke is his manipulations at the draft to land the twins.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 8:08 pm EST

Stevie...still waiting for your analysis of the Pack problem.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 7:41 pm EST

Amazing how Vancouver got the 2 Nd and 3rd picks to get the sundin brothers. Probably another buttman manipulation

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 6:01 pm EST

A lot of people like to bag on FAST as a fourth line player, but that's not in keeping with the rest of his career. The guy was a first-line player in Hartford and was very skilled by AHL standards. He may not have top-line skill, but he does have that fire. I know there's a lot of gafaw'ing around here whenever he ends up on second line...but part of the reason he does is because of his effort. He really is a good player and while I wasn't a fan of losing LINDBERG in the draft, Fast is probably the better, more versatile of the two. Simply put, the guy never quits. And despite his mates' tendency to vanish for periods at a time, I don't think there was ever one where Fast didn't look ready to play.

tdchi


Sun Nov 26 2017 5:26 pm EST

WIOSA: Does that mean, "the turkey is done?" ;-)

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 5:20 pm EST

RF4L....the years of letting in a couple goal with less than two minutes left in the period, Or playing like crap for at least 1 period of the game is all coaching. I like AV but I think it is time.

Wiosa


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:52 pm EST

Well, they kept the GAA at 3

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:51 pm EST

2 points. Unbelievable given their disinterest until about 5 minutes to go in the 2nd, their ridiculous sloppiness in the 3rd and lousy OT effort. This game belongs to the King IMO.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:48 pm EST

Well: the $7.8 million dollar man has no problems when he can't get hit.... An assist and an shootout goal..... His stock is going up

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:47 pm EST

LEGS: THAT'S DISGUTING

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:47 pm EST

Vesey Vesey Vesey

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:46 pm EST

VZ VZ VZ VZ VZ VZ V Z V ZZZZZZZZZ

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:46 pm EST

vesey feces on them

stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:38 pm EST

Why isn't Buch on the 3 on 3?

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:38 pm EST

The King has made half dozen fabulous saves since the start of the 3rd.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:36 pm EST

Worse 3 on 3 effort ever.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:30 pm EST

Gotta find the turnover numbers. Rangees must have at least 20. One if their sloppiest games this year (that I've seen).

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:21 pm EST

Lou....all good. I vent and I release and I'm good.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:16 pm EST

rf4l Take it easy my Friend. Or you going to get a stroke ;-(

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:16 pm EST

DD benched. Waive him and bring up Lettieri until Nieves back. Please.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:12 pm EST

Buch is sooo skilled.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:12 pm EST

WTF Miller...giving it away like 5 times this period. Guess he wants to go back to wing.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:10 pm EST

Nice pass by Nash to vesey

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:09 pm EST

Papa Juan half price

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:09 pm EST

Hand aways are horrible. 2 in 5 seconds there right to canucks in prime shooting lanes.so sloppy...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:09 pm EST

Could we have underestimated JESPER FAST's potential as a hockey player? I think so, and I think JESPER has a lot more to prove and achieve...... RICK NASH MUST GO he's playing with a soft shell "and or" the attitude that his shell is soft... Time to promote from within, reap a return, cut or readjust the allocation of our cap dollars, etc..... The forwards need 1-2 additional RH Shots

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:04 pm EST

Woot woot woot woot Jimmy Vesey

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:03 pm EST

Vesey needs more icetime...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 4:00 pm EST

FUUUUCCCCKKKK ME

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:58 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL!!!!!!!!! Grabby

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:57 pm EST

Good things happen when you put the puck on net..... Grabner !

mf


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:56 pm EST

Nice shot but shoulda be stopped.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:36 pm EST

Jesper Jesper Jesper

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:35 pm EST

FINALLY! That goal couldn't come fast enough!!!

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:31 pm EST

5 minutes to go in 2nd and Rangers have 9 shots.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:23 pm EST

Oh my a Ranger shows some emotion!! Game half over too. Geesh...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:21 pm EST

Nash sucks too. Another of his many invisible games so far.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:16 pm EST

Started with a dud first period which I still blame the coach for preparing??? I know players have to execute but when you continue to come out flat that’s a problem

rngrsans


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:16 pm EST

Pathetic awful and discourigi

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:15 pm EST

Yeah. Bring up Graves.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:14 pm EST

How about end the Kamper experience too

rngrsans


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:13 pm EST

End the DD experiment NOW! He sucks.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:13 pm EST

Hooking allowed again!!

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 3:11 pm EST

Love how Buch is always looking for holes when ge shoots.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:53 pm EST

We were simply outplayed and overworked....Not good enough

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:45 pm EST

Outshot 11 to 4 and outchanced 6 to 1. The only good thing about that period was their PK. Shameful. Better come out to play next period.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:44 pm EST

Does this team know that starting time is 2 pm

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:40 pm EST

WTF was Kreider doing there??

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:35 pm EST

1 PP = 0 shots.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:32 pm EST

PP sucking again too

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:31 pm EST

I just don't get these so frequent tardy starts. Is it by design????

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:28 pm EST

Clearly not ready for start of game again. Lots of standing around and turnovers Great prep again

rngrsans


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:28 pm EST

And a softy given up by Lundy;-(

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 2:24 pm EST

Another flat start by the Rangers....

Rf4l


Sun Nov 26 2017 1:49 pm EST

Let's go Rangers!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Nov 26 2017 11:54 am EST

Re: the Wolfpack - I think the problems with them are two-fold. First, that they employ the same system as the Rangers...and when you have a team half-filled with AHL lifers, that poses problems. They aren't an untalented team...but to play the same style as the Rangers, you really put a lot of pressure on the defense...and second, confidence. I saw this last season and again this season...the team simply doesn't know how to get tough when the going gets tough. They're mentally weak. Simply don't have the fortitude to put it into high gear when their opponent gets a leg up. I know RF revels in calling out the mediocrity of the Pack, but it's no more or less mediocre than any other lineup in the AHL. Look at the Hershey Bears. They have a couple of decent players down there...Riley BARBER, Lucas JOHANSEN...that's about it...otherwise, they look pretty much like the Pack. So I know it's easy to say throwing away draft picks lead to the current state of the Pack...but that is at the very best, a half-truth. The bigger picture is that the Rangers...again...have graduated NHL talent from within its system and that most players spend only a fraction of their career in Hartford. Team's play is more a result of the most talented Ranger prospect ending up in New York.

tdchi


Sun Nov 26 2017 11:34 am EST

The problem with the Oilers is three-fold: First, that they refuse to recognize the importance of building a contender from the net out. Second, that TALBOT isn't and never was a tender to rest your hopes on. And third, perhaps most importantly, is that they have CHARELLI as a GM and he lacks almost a complete understanding of how to build a successful team...I remember a discussion a while back about how much of the Bruins' championship was laid by Chiarelli and how much was a result of his predecessors(including GORTON)...and the general gist I got was that there isn't a lot of credit to be doled out to him...as Oilers GM, he has pretty much put obstacles in the way of their success...he's made several real bone-brained moves, starting with WAAAAAY overpaying for Griffin REINHART...targeting the bargain bin for TALBOT instead of paying upfront for JONES and...Not trading YAKUPOV in 2015, when he was still worth something...continuing with the move to grab LARSSON, a solid defensman, for HALL, a true all-star...The Oilers have been mediocre because of piss-poor asset management. Simple as that. But they are also a case-study for why it's never prudent to accept failure --i.e. tanking --as a means to building your franchise.

tdchi


Sun Nov 26 2017 11:06 am EST

TD- I live in Fairfield county CT, and there are Pack players renting apartments near Bridgeport area. Now that could be an insurance policy and not be too far from Hartford, but the buzz is that the isles team is indeed moving to the mausoleum.

PUCKYOU


Sun Nov 26 2017 10:59 am EST

So here's an update on the TAVARES situation that involves news, rumors and a bit of speculation...The news part is that the Islanders are part of a bid that was submitted to the Empire State Development Corp. in September to overhaul an under-utilized parking area nearby the historic horse track. The land, I believe, is owned by New York State. The RFP says directly: "The goal of this RFP is to strengthen Belmont as a premier destination for entertainment, sports, recreation, retail and hospitality on Long Island." The Islanders’ group includes Sterling Project Development, which is controlled by the Mets’ Wilpon family and Oak View Group, an arena development company backed by Madison Square Garden...it isn't the only proposal...but from what I've read, it seems to be the strongest...Problem is, the state moves at a glacial pace. In this instance, it kind of has to. The earliest the Islanders could play there would be in 2020-21. And they have to be out of the Barclay's after 2018-2019, so there's a swing year. Also complicating matters is that a new arena in Belmont Park would directly compete with the old Nassau Coliseum, in addition to Barclay's...so what you have is a governmental entity that weighs the advantages and disadvantages of development trying to decide whether the market --and specifically Belmont Park --will be able to bare another competitor...So here's the speculation part: I've heard and continue to hear the idea is to bring the Sound Tigers to Nassau Coliseum, build Belmont Park and move the Islanders there...And then ultimately ship the Hartford Wolfpack to Bridgeport...That would give the Isles a farm team almost across the street from the big club...it would move the Pack closer to MSG(about an hour on the train) and it would make Belmont, which has rail connection, a world-class sports destination located just outside of NYC...but to do that, they're going to need to beg one final year out of Barclays...and in reality, that's a tough ask for a team that is going to give rise to an arena that will directly compete...So where does JT fall in all of this? Well, he's 27 now and will be 30 before the new arena is built. Maybe 31. He's being asked to spend the prime of his career in an arena that no NHL player likes...a place that was never intended to host a professional hockey team...and then there's the uncertainty of 2019-2020, where they very well COULD be playing somewhere like Hartford or even the Coliseum for a season until the new arena is ready...and like I said, that won't be until AT LEAST 2020-21. More likely, 2021-2022...JT will be in the twilight of his career then and without an arena to call home...The Isles, however, have built a very good squad...and if they could find a goaltender, they could be an honest contender...All that said, their early season success(3rd in the Metro, 5th in the conference) means JT is going no where during the regular season...But what WILL happen is that if they have any sort of indication that he's going to leave...and unless they make a SERIOUS cup run, I suspect he will...he will be traded to the West Coast to a team that is ready to sign him to whatever contract he wants. Were I to call it, I'd say JT ends up somewhere like San Jose...could see them ponying up a nice haul and using Tavares to replace THORNTON in the middle...But again...were I to give 'JT to the Rangers' any odds, I would say about a million to 1. Garth SNOW isn't stupid and the two things I think they will do anything to prevent is JT leaving for nothing and especially JT leaving for nothing to join the Rangers. You never know...he might really want to play in New York...Maybe he gets traded and then shuns the team to return...but I can't see why he would.

tdchi


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:58 am EST

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/mats-zuccarello-rangers-alternate-captain-1.15191353

stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:57 am EST

stevie: Another problem with Edmonton: Rushing to sign young players to HUGE 2nd contracts. They did it with Eberle, RHN and Hall, then giddy with one year of reasonable success, upped the game hugely by giving Draistal and McDavid over $21,000,000 collectively. Pittsburgh and Chicago did that with their top 2 stars but only AFTER winning a cup.

rf4L


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:30 am EST

stevie: The Oilers are baffling for sure. Part of the issue is the Prince is playing like a pauper - the 2nd goal the Sabres scored against him Friday night was putrid beyond belief. The team is also lacking scoring wingers and why I've floated more than once the notion of offering up MZA to them. Finally, overall, they aren't fleet of foot. All that said, that shouldn't add to fighting for right to draft Dahlen. What do YOU think is wrong with the Oilers? And what do YOU think is wrong with the Pack?

rf4L


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:26 am EST

JT watch continues. Over a quarter way thru the NHL season and still no sign of him resigning with the Islanders. Also, not coincidentally, no movement on a new arena for the team. Gotta believe those 2 activities are directly tied together, the latter of course, needs to precede the former. I still believe there's a strong possibility if he doesn't resign that the Rangers will be a favourite in the mix.

rf4L


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:16 am EST

Rf you’re almost like one of those companies paid to do a study to get the the outcome the company that’s paying for the study wants. Just look at the oilers record so far . 8-13-2 for 18 points 29 th place out of 31... what’s their excuse?

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:15 am EST

Start of the evening yesterday, the Rangers were in a wildcard spot. The end of the evening, after NJ, Islanders, Caps and Pittsburgh all win, they're outside looking in. Gonna be like this all year long I suspect.

rf4L


Sun Nov 26 2017 9:06 am EST

Folks wonder why I'm critical of the Pack. Well, it's because they aren't very good. Again. Another loss last night and they now sit 27th overall (in the 30 team AHL). They aren't as horrid as last year but not much better. Maybe it wasn't Gernander after all. Maybe it's a lack of skill due to the organization trading away so many picks over the past 4 to 5 years.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 6:59 pm EST

Ranger Lou, on Zuuc, were you being sarcastic? Cause Im picking up the same vibes from this guy. He just is always ...blah. Cant explain it. Maybe the Mariano Rivera of Hockey?

wiosa


Sat Nov 25 2017 3:47 pm EST

schneidw: We'll get to see him next month at the WJCs. I'm relieved Gorton did the right thing and sent him back. He clearly wasn't ready.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 2:11 pm EST

PUCKYOU - Exactly on MCD...he will become more and more important as the season goes along and hopefully LONG..The game agasint Caroina was a great effort by the team and forwards..there was little D last nigth outsdie of the goalies..Having MCD back will let evrybody play the roles they ate supposed to..a huge key

Hospo


Sat Nov 25 2017 1:52 pm EST

As if it needed mentioning that was a seriously fun hockey game. The first wasn’t the best but it got pretty intense as the game wore on. Really enjoyed that one. Might’ve been the best game this season so far.

E


Sat Nov 25 2017 11:58 am EST

Lias Anderssen looks to be having a good season over in SWE... great to see NYRs developing players again..

schneidw


Sat Nov 25 2017 11:36 am EST

Was at the game last night-rangers thoroughly were outplayed from the outset. Hank stole one for us. The wings were able to break out of their zone and into ours quite easily all night. MCD was missed big time-and although he could fetch a big package in a trade, as he is a top 2-way defenseman and shut down first pair guy, the D for NYR would be shit without him. The fact that he has this injury which is the type of injury that many times leads to surgery if worsens, makes his value diminished currently on the open market.

PUCKYOU


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:32 am EST

stevie: Takes HUGE GM guts to move out a guy like McD. Strike while the iron is hot. Gorton surprised many with his Stepan for the 7th overall pick move; maybe he'll keep that up. It really comes down to how they view accommodating McD's next contract; are they prepared to shell out big bucks to resign him? If yes, no trade. If no, move him now.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:25 am EST

After such a ridiculously horrid start the Coyotes are starting to straighten things out, beating LA for 4 wins in 5 games. Stepan with a 5 game point scoring streak. Raanta BTW, is out again with an 'upper body injury' after being run over in the SJ game. Max Domi with only 2 goals. I wonder if he can be pried away. I'd love to see him in a Ranger jersey. Dylan Strome is 2nd in the AHL in scoring now, so he's progressing and I suspect it's only a matter of time before he's recalled. That team has some riches but so much work to do to get it all together.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:23 am EST

Rf4l I agree. Captain mcdoodie parmenter is the guy they’ll get the most return for . And I don’t think it’s a coincidence they seem to play better when he’s out of the lineup. He really doesn’t seem to relish the role of wearing the C, and I don’t think he’s a good leader. He’d probably play better without the C. But I highly doubt fishboy is of the mindset to move him. He’s another assvipe pet . And quickie might get the C if mcd gets moved. But there is no doubt in my mind that zucchini is the guy who should be the captain .

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:17 am EST

Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 9h Stick tap to JT Miller: Helper on OT winner, won 12 of 22 faceoffs (54.5%) 3 shots on goal in 17:37, tied for the team lead in assists (14),

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:16 am EST

Cool that 2 games without McD = 2 wins. I get the notion that as long as the team is winning no serious moves should be made but (of course) I disagree. In fact, sometimes the best time for a move like trading McD is when the team is winning.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:10 am EST

BTW, kudos to the King. He sure has cleaned up his game although it's not a coincidence it's happened alongside his mates doing the same thing. I honestly believe it's a related thing and not one leading the other, either. I think after all these years, the King gets sucked into the mental void his mates are all in when the team goes into a funk, as they did to start the season and as they did too frequently the previous 2 years. Sometimes one leads the other (the goalie or the skaters) but usually, it's an entire team effort, especially when it's over an extended number of games. My biggest concern with the King? Too many games, the result of which will be felt sooner or later.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:05 am EST

TD: I agree on the Nieves injury thing. Seems like he can't avoid being hurt. Concussion problems last year, now this year an extended illness and a hip pointer. I like Nieves speed and size. He doesn't have much offense but some might come in time. I am hoping Lettieri gets called up. DD gets nothing accomplished.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 9:02 am EST

Sucks about NIEVES. Doesn't sound like its a long-term injury, but he was really providing some stability that I don't think DESHARNAIS will necessarily provide...the MILLER-at-center move continues to pay dividends. I think it's actually a significant reason the team has been better defensively than before.

tdchi


Sat Nov 25 2017 8:53 am EST

The Pack get thumped 7 to 3 last night by the Islanders farm team. Outshot 37 21. Nice.

rf4L


Sat Nov 25 2017 8:35 am EST

Wildcard - LOL! Just kidding?!? I think you're spot on. Zucc's hesitation...he was like 'well, I could pass it to the boards...'

tdchi


Sat Nov 25 2017 8:32 am EST

Here's the cold hard truth about the Rangers: If they remain a .500 team with an ounce of playoff contention, they will be BUYERS, not sellers. And that includes with pending free agents --both acquiring them and trading them. If they are three or four games out of contention at the deadline, look at Gorton to pick the bones of all the teams that are out of it at that point...I could see them being suitors for Evander KANE and/or Jordan NOLAN from the Sabres. Maybe PACIORETTY from the Habs if they decide to rebuild as is likely...bottom line though, is the Rangers, after starting 2-7, their worst start in DECADES, have been one of the top teams in the NHL since and are 9-2 over the past 11...that includes wins over Columbus and Tampa, two of the top teams in the east. The defense many were calling suspect has now given up two goals over two games. Now I'm not ready to say its smooth sailing to playoff and cup contention, but I think what we're seeing of this team now is a lot more fitting of their roster than the first three weeks of the season...nevertheless...at this rate, NASH will finish the season a Ranger and leave for nothing.

tdchi


Sat Nov 25 2017 7:57 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/25/rangers-boo-nieves-forced-to-exit-with-hip-pointer/

mf


Sat Nov 25 2017 4:16 am EST

MF - we'll have to agee to disagree on NASH..I'll ride him and he others at least until the deadline..and if all looks good like it just might...through a PO run

Hospo


Sat Nov 25 2017 2:22 am EST

Meier also hits like a truck and has great wheels. He has been spending a lot of time as Thornton’s flank. We will see how long that lasts.

E


Sat Nov 25 2017 2:20 am EST

SJ won’t part with their 1 on a rental. They are struggling with offense right now. But they really want Meier to stick. He’s a top notch prospect and he needs ice time. LeBlanc is getting too much ice time for his skill set. It’s like having Nieves on a third line. Just not an effective enough player for it. If anything SJ would be looking for a young mobile defender just like everyone else. And they’d like to upgrade their bottom-6. I just don’t see the Nash to SJ thing. If they wanted him that bad they could take him for cash this summer. But even then. SJ has a gap in their pipeline.

E


Sat Nov 25 2017 1:12 am EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/24/rangers-ride-henrik-lundqvist-to-win-old-fashioned-ot-nail-biter/

mf


Sat Nov 25 2017 12:30 am EST

With the physical play out West I wondering if SJ would part with the 37 y/o $3.275 mill Ward.... Hospo, I'm willing to cut bait with NASH and in my world, Nash OUT and Lettieri (or someone worth their salt) IN is not creating a huge hole because Nash will disappear come the playoffs... He's not risking his health (head) or quality of life... I've watched him at the end of each of the last three games when they congratulate Hank, he puts his gloved hand on Hanks Mask and then Nash touches his forehead against his gloved hand, I swear that I read this as Nash protecting his head from impact..... Nash has got to go, time is not on our side and as long as he's scoring his stock is going up...

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:41 pm EST

Shea butter made a real nice play and pass to zucchini, without it being perfect... seems that many of the goalies who go down probably too soon do not protect the top enough with their gloves. Lift the puck, aim for the goalies ears , and the percentage goes way up on beating them.

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:36 pm EST

MF - But that trade leaves a huge hole omn the top 3 lines..No thanks.I'm more about the present than future....Agree on Kreider, he has been playing better since those lines were put together

Hospo


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:27 pm EST

Hospo: Wonder if we could Trade NASH & a 2nd round pick to SJ for Joel Ward and their 1st round pick, there's you Vet Banger who knows how to score, is a RHS, and vet leadership

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:22 pm EST

Looks to me that playing on a line with Z'bad and Buchnevich is turning Kreider into a much better and rounded player.... I like the Grabner / Miller / Zucc line alot also.... Nash / Hayes / Fast has been fine, and I think that FAST is flourishing the most from the move.... Only two RHS Forwards does not sit well with me

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:14 pm EST

ANother solid night at C for JT..and Krieder seems to be on a streak of good stuff and active...Great shot byt ZUcc....These are the three that have to drve the team offensively and by leadership..

Hospo


Fri Nov 24 2017 11:06 pm EST

Neither MCD or NASH is the guy to move..Keep them both...Brady Skjei elevating his game with more responsibilty and time...well, duh...No great loss in Nieves but Desharnais gets first crack...Love to see a vet banger be brought in.

Hospo


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:52 pm EST

With BOO NIEVES down I imagine that DESHARNAIS will be dressed for the 4th line Center position, However, according to "The Hockey-snooze," PAUL CAREY can play wing And center (ASSETS:Has shown the ability to play sound, two-way hockey at lower levels. Also, he can play either wing or center, which adds to his overall value.)..... SO IF Carey was moved to center, we could promote VINNI LETTIERI and have a 4th line of VESEY / CAREY / LETTIERI ..... I'd like to see that line in action

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:21 pm EST

MFred: C'mon, NASH is the guy to move

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:19 pm EST

We're 8 -2 in the last 10 and our GAA has dropped to 3.

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:17 pm EST

Very excited to see Hank playing tomform from days of yore. This is our only hope this year for a deep,playoff run......love the talent on our team. McD should be our trade bait while he still has value.....

melvillefred


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:06 pm EST

I dont necessarily think Zucc was being patient on the shot...I think he was waiting for someone to pass too an was confused that no-one else was there. J/K what a shot and what a play by Skjei...both couldn't have done it any better....just perfect.

Wildcard


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:59 pm EST

Zuccarello what a Happy Fellw

rangerlou


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:57 pm EST

On the game winning goal: what an amazing setup by Brady Skjei drawing two defenders to him.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:49 pm EST

Zuchini Stromboli

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:30 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL KID K

rangerlou


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:29 pm EST

oh no...a penalty. Hang on guys...Hank deserves at least a tie

wiosa


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:29 pm EST

Perfect pretty ugly hang around the net goal, beautiful!

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:25 pm EST

Howard playing like he is six feet wide

rangerlou


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:14 pm EST

Fuck Marc Staal that piece of shit

tradestar28


Fri Nov 24 2017 8:58 pm EST

Wow, this game is a nail biter. Goalies standing on their heads. Buch truly got robbed. Ive decided I dont like nail biters...Im all for good old fashioned routs - in our favor of course. LGR

wiosa


Fri Nov 24 2017 8:15 pm EST

Carey definitely plays with an edge

rangerlou


Fri Nov 24 2017 8:02 pm EST

mf..Yeahhh jus a few Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

rangerlou


Fri Nov 24 2017 7:54 pm EST

17-18 shots on Hank that period, that's a few too many...

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 6:49 pm EST

Black Friday, The Day after Thanksgiving, a perfect Day to shop for a trading partner.... This Hockey News article features the San Jose sharks, their defense, and lack of offense, enter Rick Nash... His offensive numbers are starting to look attactive on the surface 7 goals, 5 assists, and if the acquiring team doesn't look any deeper to see how many were empty netters or secondary assists, great.... Then again, it may not matter to San Jose who has $5.847 mill in cap room so no problem there... Could we get their 1st round pick and something for Rick Nash & something??? http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-sharks-defense-is-keeping-them-afloat-while-the-offense-struggles-to-come-around

mf


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:56 am EST

Little late to chime in about the Carolina game, but...what a game! I simply cannot believe this is the same team that I was watching the first 10 games of the season. I really don't know what has changed, but they controlled vast swaths of that game...I remember at one point in the second, Carolina was out shooting them 6-1, but the Rangers had spent basically three quarters of the period in their zone...was interesting to see how effective their shooting was...and Carolina is NOT a weak team by any stretch. Actually, their pretty damn good...I would say they have one of the best and youngest defenses in the league...I know I mentioned this over the summer, but MAN would Jordan STAAL look good on our third line...Hurricanes dress FIVE former Hawks...and have six on their roster...one quarter of their team are cast-offs from Chicago...if Carolina every turns it around and makes a deep run, they pretty much owe a big part of it to the Hawks' cap moves....one of the most incredible moves they made was landing TERAVAINEN for a pair of picks. Obviously, the move was predicated on them taking BICKELL'S contract, which was pretty bad...but man, was it worth it to get a kid like that. He was a guy I saw tear it up at the WJCs...knew then that he was going to be a very good NHLer...And the Canes made out like bandits, because not only did they get him for next to nothing, they also got to pull Bickell's contract off the books due to his health issues...Him and AHO looked downright lethal on the PP...Which brings me to my closing point: The officiating. Man, was it bad. Just absolutely awful. Filled with phantom calls against the Rangers...Maybe it's the fanboy in me, but lately it really seems like the refs have a bone to pick with the Rangers...really over the past four or five games, I've noticed it...it sure as shit isn't because they're playing overly physical. Even Dickaletti was at a loss for words on some of the penalties on Wednesday...they'd go to the replay and he'd just start stuttering...Just more and more, it seems like the refs call shit just to tighten the game.

tdchi


Fri Nov 24 2017 10:40 am EST

re: CHYTIL - I'm pretty sure the Czech Republic would invade Hartford if they didn't give him the green light to play. Between him and Martin NECAS...and by virtue that the Canadians and U.S. will likely be on the weaker side this year...the Czechs stand a very good chance of making the medal round with him in the lineup. The world juniors this year will be pretty fun for Ranger fans...ANDERSSON is a shoe-in for the Swedes, who also project to have a very strong team...DAHLIN, Elias PETTERSON, who is ripping up the Swedish high league...and I think there's a 50-50 chance both DAY and GETTINGER end up on the U.S. squad. Day has been very impressive as of late. And Gettinger is a PPG player in the OHL...Can't F'IN wait!

tdchi


Fri Nov 24 2017 9:50 am EST

Good job with CHYTL so far....Knowing he was special but knowing he needed mre learning and experience..1st Hartford and next the worlds...maybe iN NY sometime afterthat

Hospo


Fri Nov 24 2017 7:25 am EST

Howdy Y'all. I hope my fellow Americans had a Great ThanksGiving, and all of our Canadian Wallsters had a Great Thursday! So, MILLER back at Center for a few games and, of course, he looks great and the Rangers look like a much better team. No surprise there at all. But, will AV and the coaching staff finally embrace what most of us have been saying since before camp even opened....that MILLER should be playing Center on this team??? Personally, I have my doubts. As for the rest of the team....HANK is looking much better. Lets hope he has found his game and will be consistent through the rest of the year and playoffs. SMITH has had two good games in a row. I have my fingers crossed that he too has found his game. MZA has been playing much better over the last week as well. He does not belong on a line with HAYES and NASH. They need a guy who has a shoot first mentality. A guy that can dig pucks out of the corner and go to the net. MZA is a playmaker. I think I mentioned a week ago that they should put him with MILLER because MILLER needed a playmaker to play with. And BAM, both lines have been better once the switch was made. I still think VESEY should be playing with HAYES and NASH, but at least FAST is the right type of player to be playing with those two. He will get many chances to score playing with HAYES. No complaints with anyone else. They all played a solid game, especially SKJEI who really stepped up and looked great in McDONAGH's absence. Congratulations also to CAREY for his first goal as a Ranger, and KAMPFER for his first assist this year. It was a beautiful pass to FAST.

Vic


Fri Nov 24 2017 2:56 am EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/rangers-likely-to-allow-filip-chytil-to-play-in-the-world-juniors/262386668

mf


Thu Nov 23 2017 10:47 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/23/rangers-j-t-miller-needed-to-grow-up-to-embrace-his-value/

mf


Thu Nov 23 2017 8:13 pm EST

Thanks MF, same to you and all, hope you had a great Thanksgiving. As for the Rangers...nice game.

wiosa


Thu Nov 23 2017 2:14 pm EST

Happy Thanksgiving to all of the Wallsters and Lurkers....

mf


Thu Nov 23 2017 1:08 pm EST

Glad to see MILLER at Center continuing and Flourishing...Come the deadline, it will be much easier finding a wing if they want to..Sounds like the Rangers made Carolina look like crap last nigth..and they had been playing good hockey and everybody was raving about their young D...Just more evidence of the mediocrity of the East...Do not sell off anybody.....

Hospo


Thu Nov 23 2017 12:52 pm EST

Sounds like I missed a good game last night!..Anyways, Happy Thanksgiving to all Wall Bangers

Hospo


Thu Nov 23 2017 12:37 pm EST

New York Rangers‏Verified account @NYRangers ..... A #NYR Family Thanksgiving tradition! ???? meets ???? ..... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/933749773554864128

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 23 2017 12:24 pm EST

Aaron Portzline‏Verified account @Aportzline ..... #CBJ John Tortorella, on the science of forward lines: "It’s a bunch of bullshit. I get a kick out of us, as coaches … we talk about this, that and the other thing. ‘This is what I’m looking for.’ It’s a bunch of bullshit. We try things, and if it works, it works."

Rhet0ric


Thu Nov 23 2017 11:41 am EST

Happy Thanksgiving to all Wallsters. Happiness serenity and health to all in Ranger land.

rangerlou


Thu Nov 23 2017 10:09 am EST

BTW...They keep winning...MickDoneA will force himself back into the lineup before he is healed...he has played injured before...mostly to the detriment of the team.

RF73


Thu Nov 23 2017 10:06 am EST

To put their horrible start in perspective...Rangers have won 8 of their last 9 games and are now a .500 team for the season...let's hope they can keep it up...Confidence is building...I'll take 8 of 9 any time!

RF73


Thu Nov 23 2017 9:53 am EST

mf - MILLER is playing center between ZUCC and GRABNER. Very good line. I don’t think he’s going back to wing until the Rangers lose. Actually, I really like having HAYES, Z and Mills as our 1-2-3. Long as NIEVES holds down fourth line, which he is quite well. If we can roll those four, then the door is wide open for the Rangers to add a nice skilled winger.

tdchi


Thu Nov 23 2017 8:57 am EST

ut most promising was the fact that the Rangers didn’t look lost without their captain — something that was hardly overlooked inside the dressing room. “I think that’s where the door opens, you get a little bit more opportunity, a little bit more ice time,” Brendan Smith said from under the Broadway Hat, after having been scratched for eight of the team’s first 19 games but collecting a great assist on Kreider’s first goal while playing what Vigneault called his “best game of the year.”“It’s just one game,” Smith said. “Hopefully we get Mac back as soon as possible, but if not, we have enough back there to fill the role.”

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 23 2017 8:55 am EST

Pal I agree with you... happy thanksgiving!....

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 23 2017 8:00 am EST

Look at this quote from the NY Post: 'Yet at other times, they treated the puck like a hand grenade, as when Vigneault didn’t see Zibanejad’s goal because he was reaming out Kevin Shattenkirk on the bench for one of his handful of turnovers.' When does AV ream anyone out on the bench???

rf4L


Thu Nov 23 2017 7:05 am EST

Stevielegs: I’m agreement with you on McDonagh.

Pal17


Thu Nov 23 2017 7:03 am EST

Happy Thanksgiving Wallsters!

Pal17


Thu Nov 23 2017 6:55 am EST

“And they did it without captain Ryan McDonagh, who is sidelined “.... I rest my case....

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 23 2017 6:53 am EST

Casper the friendly quickie fast was the 3 rd Star of the game. Kid k was #1 and hanky not stanky was #2. Veenyo is protesting that decision. He sticks up for his pets .

Stevielegs


Thu Nov 23 2017 1:54 am EST

Ranger lou- It's Jesper dude!

_Arc


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:30 pm EST

I did not pay attention to the game;"did JT Miller play center?" t/y

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:18 pm EST

So how many games is it since jan 1 st 2016 until today that the nyr had. 4 goal lead in the 3rd period ? Probably 60+

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:58 pm EST

Holden suffered in large part from what the entire team suffered from in the early part of the season, including the goalie. Some struggles stood out more than others, but who played well? Very few.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:53 pm EST

B Smith gets the broadway hat . From chateau bow wow to the penthouse

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:51 pm EST

Well that didn’t happen

rngrsans


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:51 pm EST

Well that didn’t happen

rngrsans


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:51 pm EST

I really haven't had a problem with Holden for some time now. Playing well.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:50 pm EST

We need the Debbie’s and Isles to lose!!!

rngrsans


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:39 pm EST

2 shooting stars kid k and quickie

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:35 pm EST

Leafs lines shuffled tonight. Nylander flying. Oh, he'd be a fabulous addition.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:35 pm EST

I really missed captain mcdoodie parmenter tonight....trade his ass fishboy

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:27 pm EST

Nylander

NCRanger


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:26 pm EST

So can we trade the captain for any lander at this point?, haha. Get er done

NCRanger


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:26 pm EST

The Rangers sure have played a lot of games at home (realizing they're in Carolina tonight); come the 2nd half, are they gonna be on the road for like 30 games??

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:22 pm EST

Jasper Jasper Jasper

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:21 pm EST

Fast cementing his spot in AV's heart.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:20 pm EST

Quickie killer

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:16 pm EST

Nieves forechecking very well. He just might stick around.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:15 pm EST

Strong 2 way game from MZA tonight. Very noticeable.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:10 pm EST

Fast at last...GOOOAAALLL

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:10 pm EST

JT at center is absolutely the way to go moving forward. The whole dynamic of the team changes for the better. We should have known this a long time ago when this dumb ass coach was so resistant to it.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:09 pm EST

The Hurricane stink. Again.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:09 pm EST

Fast is king from zero to one

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:02 pm EST

GOOOAAALLLLLLL!!!!! Kreider...Woot woot woot

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:02 pm EST

Beauty goal. That's how Stone-hands can score...half open net!!

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:01 pm EST

Kid k 2

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:43 pm EST

Is Rick Nash playing?

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:43 pm EST

Vesey had some tremendous chases

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:39 pm EST

Nyr Up to 4 sog for 2 Nd period... offensive juggernaut

Stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:38 pm EST

3 shots on net this period with less than 2 minutes to go....not very good.

jratelle19


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:34 pm EST

Carey plays with an edge

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:32 pm EST

Fancy-pancy passing again in the Cane end. BTW, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz game.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:26 pm EST

Love it when opponents like up Miller, and he sends them flying instead.

Bob


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:25 pm EST

beast even.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 8:25 pm EST

Good Lord Miller is a best.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:54 pm EST

Bob: I see what's his nob is interviewing Vesey between periods. Too bad he doesn't have the gonads to ask him about being shuttled to the 4th line again.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:40 pm EST

Well I took a little longer than I expected, but I see Jasper Fast is now in the top 6. While Vesey is on the 4th line again.

Bob


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:39 pm EST

WOW...that save will be on all the highlight reels tonight. Save with his head then falling nabs the rebound shot with his glove.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:32 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL Carey

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:31 pm EST

Carey grant

stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:28 pm EST

Ohhhhhhhhhhh Boy

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:28 pm EST

There goes TD's shutout

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:21 pm EST

Who is this masked man crusading as, "Brendan Smith?"

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:16 pm EST

Zabadabadoo

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:16 pm EST

Zibanejad with a rocket.

Bob


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:14 pm EST

ZBAD got a lucky one :)

DOUBLEN


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:13 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL KID K

rangerlou


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:11 pm EST

Smith to Kreider, beautiful!

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 6:52 pm EST

mf: 100% agreed. I recall posting on here during the short ES era bemoaning the fact that the coach for whatever reason, was refusing to deploy him based on his strengths. Yes, ES did not play well and one could argue he didn't warrant that but at the time, who on the Rangers was playing well? Very few. It reeks of a coach and a GM not being on the same page when it comes to acquiring a new asset. You're right - maddening.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 6:29 pm EST

RF: Eric Staal signed a 3 yr $10.5 mill ($3.5mill per year) contract... That's $850,000 less p/y than Brendan Smith... IMO it just proves how arrogant and perhaps egotistical this coach is. He didn't, couldn't, or wouldn't recognize the value Eric Staal brings with him and how to best utilize him in a way that is best for the team & organization... The NYR brass is not off the hook here either, it's their job to recognize that the coach "may" have a lapse in judgment or beef with a player.... Z'bad / Hayes / Staal & anything that can skate as your centers and we would not be talking "hole in the doughnut." ...... It's maddening

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 5:47 pm EST

So leading the Wild in scoring at the quarter mark this year is the player AV refused to used a top 6 centre. E Staal has 7 goals and 18 points in 20 games. He'd be 2nd on the Rangers with those stats. 2 2nds for him would be reasonable if he'd resigned ala Brendan Smith. Not for a second do I blame him for not resigning and given the way AV treated him, there probably wasn't much interest anyways (so why the hell cough up 2 2nds in the first place?). Another dumb deadline deal courtesy of the New York Rangers.

rf4L


Wed Nov 22 2017 3:09 pm EST

rf73 bottle of what ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 3:03 pm EST

Anybody remember Fernwood Tonight?...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFqBWyNySk

RF73


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:53 pm EST

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

RF73


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:45 pm EST

I can’t understand the Ottawa trade for Duchene. They’ve taken a guy who makes his living off of the rush and skating 200’ and put him in a 1-4, 0-5 scheme. They needed big bodies who can grind off dump and chases with hands the way they play. Duchene is a possession and creative guy without any time and space and no one feeding him. I never understood that trade. Ottawa is just a dreadful team to watch. I’ve seen Colorado play a few times and when Duchene has it going, he’s entertaining. He really moves. But he can also be invisible.

E


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:43 pm EST

Dr.Legs: Tried all 3 and I still can't stand the Coach, maybe it's not me?

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:42 pm EST

In this "day of mediocrity" throughout the league it just does Not pay to tear this team or many of the teams apart... There's just not enough talent to go around and when you take this into consideration, I feel that we're a pretty damn good squad that needs 2-3 tweaks to work us up the depth chart of contention.... I'd start with trading Nash now, soon, at the trade deadline, but it's time to move on....... Most pressing and interesting will be watching AssVipe construct 3 sets of Defensemen for today's contest..... Who plays 1st pair LHS D, Staal? Skjei? .....

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:23 pm EST

STEVIE - That's why NEIL SMITH did a remarkable job in getting the players that could play for and handle KEENAN for the only CUP we will see in our lifetime in NY..That's why I don't shed a tear for the loss of players like Gartner

Hospo


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:21 pm EST

Any word on whether or not Brendan Smith is in today's line up or will be suspended? t/y

mf


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:17 pm EST

Irving moofman need a psychiatrist , shock therapy, or a frontal lobotomy ?

stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 2:00 pm EST

tdchi that's the problem with gms and coaches, and the players they had or get. they have to fit or split. that coach is an offensive wet blanket, with probably the top offensive d man in the league.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 12:38 pm EST

So Matt DUCHENE, in five games as a Senator, has nary a point and is -6. Can you say bullet dodged? I will note that he's playing in a system that is basically the polar opposite of the one that would harness his ability. Perhaps the most bizarre thing about the Sens is they have BRASSARD, RYAN and Doosh...you could put those guy son a line in a system like the Rangers and watch the points come streaming in...but on the Sens...man, the team is basically taking these offensively gifted players and tying a cinderblock around their skate...For the life of me, I can't figure out why the Sens so doggedly chased Doosh...ironically, the guy they probably could have used and who would have been perfect for their system is STEPAN...or even better, the guy the Preds just acquired...TURRIS.

tdchi


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:48 am EST

Of course we always assume because they had their well known concussions at the NHL level that they didn't have them at some other point of their careers. The NHL/ other levels of hockey doesn't do those type of investigations because they really don't want to know the answers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:44 am EST

Stevie... Pat LaFontaine was a couple of years before Eric and I think he started his concussion issues right around the same time as Brett. His concussion problems were well known around the League.

Rhet0ric


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:26 am EST

the original as far as the nhl admitting it was lindros, and then his brother. and that pos clark tried to accuse lindros of faking it, and pushing him to come back too soon.

stevielegs


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:24 am EST

re: TALBOT - Look, the guy is a solid goaltender and I could see him being a great part of a tandem...but the Oilers are now learning what I suspect the Ranger organization knew all along: He's not the kind of goaltender you want to pin your cup hopes on. Not at least on a team that has always had and continues to have a questionable D...I could see Talbot backstopping a team like the Blues to the cup, where their D is stifling. But he's not and never will be a LUNDQVIST-type goalie....and that's why I always chortled a little bit whenever the armchair GMs would make the "what-if" proposition of trading Hank instead of Talbot...the most recent being that clown last summer who flooded twitter with his nonsense...good fundamental goalie. He'll stop 7 out of every 10. But it's shot 8 where you get in trouble with the Prince...and when your team can't muster three goals, that means you're going to be losing a lot of games...And that's precisely why the Rangers didn't get the haul for Talbot that the Bruins/Kings got for Martin JONES.

tdchi


Wed Nov 22 2017 10:02 am EST

The thing PRONGER and SAVARD and even FRANZEN have going for them is that they had long and fruitful careers. And if they had even modest financial advice, they'd at least have the resources to contend with their disability. A guy like PEAT? Zippo. Short career. Low salary. Out of hockey before 30 and totally disabled. Can't employ a guy who gets migraines every time the lights are up, flies off the handle at the slightest provocation and has trouble remembering that he turned the stove on. The NHLPA and the owners should be supporting this guy and others. Instead, they're thrown out like trash. Or like in BOOGAARD'S case, swept under the carpet.

tdchi


Wed Nov 22 2017 9:05 am EST

A positive side of the McD injury: It might give Gorton a clear understanding of McD's value to the club. They suffer badly in his absence he's gotta stay (and by that I mean start working on an extension). They carry-on fine without him, it's far more palatable to consider trading him and trading him soon (i.e. before the deadline).

rf4l


Wed Nov 22 2017 7:55 am EST

schneidw.............let's hope that's the case......he is NOT the player he once was.........not even close.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Nov 22 2017 3:24 am EST

E- Yeah, the last comeback by Johan Franzen was also a real WTF moment. I don’t remember the exact details. But you knew he was done. Had an extremely horrible time for a year. Then when it eased, he started training for a comeback and they let him play. A few games in and he was done again, this time for good. What good did that last comeback do? And business mens don’t understand athletes. Johan Franzen is to this day, until his contract should have been up June 2020, in place in Detroit during the seasons. Despite having retired. In an interview with Aftonbladet he said “When the team is in town I am in town”.

Ola


Tue Nov 21 2017 11:55 pm EST

Hospo: I also would never advocate a rebuild unless things were so toxic and going nowhere fast that it just paid to clean the house. This team is not bad. But a lot can happen between now and the deadline. The New York Rangers are coming out of this season in decent cap shape. No need to put torpedos into the hull. This ships still moving.

E


Tue Nov 21 2017 11:49 pm EST

Pronger is actually much better now. He lives in Newport Beach, CA. It took him years of recovery but he has made it to a sembelence of normalcy. I recently saw a little piece on him. Honestly, he came across as a real nice guy. Could be the health issues that did it. I don’t know. But at one point he was in awful shape. Now he can at least walk down the beach with his kids. I’m sure he likely has CTE and it’s going to do a number on him but as a human being you just couldn’t help but wonder when the MDs shoulda stepped in and not medically cleared him to play. He kept going long after he should have stopped.

E


Tue Nov 21 2017 11:13 pm EST

Legs: You need a podiatrist? Bunions?

mf


Tue Nov 21 2017 10:19 pm EST

That's because he no longer has the Goalie Whisperer in his corner to straighten him out.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:43 pm EST

The Prince struggling in Edmonton this year. Got pulled early tonight against the Blues. Oilers looking to land the 1st overall pick next June. Again. Incredible if it actually happens.

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:29 pm EST

Pronger was a very good player but extremely dirty - who knows how many concussions his dirty play resulted in but for sure, plenty. What goes around comes around sometimes. Scott Stevens retired due to concussion problems. Boo-freakin'-hoo I say. Ying and yang and all that.

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:21 pm EST

Rangers "aren't" great

Hospo


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:21 pm EST

TDCHI _ Damn, totally agree with you..SCREW FIRE SALE..It didn't work back in 2004 for us...and most of these rebuilding teams seem to be on the 30 year plan..No thanks, I'll be dead..Again, I look around the NHL and I don't see any great teams or deep lineups anymore..Ramgers are great but just as deep through the top 3 lines and top 4 d as most..All comes down to team play, coaching and who makes the right move or the right call ups..Worth it to wait until the deadline to see where this team (or an imprved one) is at before taking giant steps back

Hospo


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:32 pm EST

McDonough INJURY: Am I the ONLY wallster happy to hear McD has been playing with a lingering injury? His play has been SUB-PAR this entire year.. so at least there is an excuse and belief he will return to a top 10 player in the NHL.... He is my favorite NYR and its been a strangely bad year, especially since he had a STRONG offseason.. this injury explains ALOT!!!

schneidw


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:41 pm EST

Nick - Here's the counter argument: How would you like to be a Sabres fan now? They went into "full rebuild" mode in 2001...then again in 2006...then again two years ago. And where are they at? Or closer to home...we keep hearing about all these cups the Isles are poised to win following their ongoing nearly two-decade long rebuild? Right now, they're less than eight months away from losing the crown jewel of their rebuild...So back the truck up? Sure. And push it off a cliff. I'd rather have a playoff team with hope of winning the cup than a trash barge with a hope of winning the cup 10 years from now.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:32 pm EST

PRONGER too. Hated the guy as a player. But after reading he couldn't even walk outside in the months...not days...not weeks...months after he played his last game actually made me feel bad for the guy...or SAVARD. Couldn't even attend the games in the run up to the cup because the arena lights killed him...and when he did, the guy looked like a shell-shocked Vietnam veteran...man...it's one thing to have these sort of injuries in the process of some higher societal goal...but for amusement? It's barbaric.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:28 pm EST

stevie: Agreed but clearly some plays/hits/collisions are more traumatic than others. To me doctor or no doctor, repeated punches to the head via bare fists over YEARS has to be a major contributor. No other sport, save for MMA, tolerates it and MMA is too early in its existence to produce conclusive data (but surely that will be available in time). Now take a look at some of Scott Stevens' hits. All permitted at the time (i.e. not even a minor penalty). I recall watching back then and thinking concussions are for sure the result. What wasn't known at the time, or at least within the general public, was the CTE brain disease those injuries are linked to. The NHL most certainly should be doing something about the Stephen Peats of the hockey world and the NHL includes ownership AND the NHLPA. It shouldn't take sad stories like Peats' father to get it done...

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:06 pm EST

Interesting Brooks article. He usually presents something to chew on. This club's window isn't only closed; it has a teeny crack for some sunlight. Hank? Cup? Come on. I would love a fire sale in February but there's no way on earth, this being "Can't Rebuild in New York." Fated to another run of 7th-8th place finishes and crap draft positions. 2014 was it. Nash couldn't hit water off a dock. 2015 was even more it. Hank. But this is 2018 soon. Back up the truck.

Nick


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:03 pm EST

Is there a doctor on the wall? Most hard hits to the head will have an effect . The decision on a concussion and grade of it is above my pay grade. But hockey has a bigger risk than some other sports . To lessen or stop their occurrence would drastically change the game if not put it out of business. ... maybe buttman plans on suing the fans ........http://m.activebeat.com/your-health/concussion-symptoms-how-do-i-know-if-i-have-a-concussion/?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=bing&utm_campaign=AB_BNG_US_MOBI-SearchMarketing&utm_content=o_m_73323733816257&cus_widget=kwd-73323685695146:aud-805685129:loc-190&utm_term=concussion&cus_teaser=

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 21 2017 6:57 pm EST

And I will say this: The severity and frequency of the headshots has been reduced significantly since Kariya and Stevens and such played. That said, the speed of the game has risen equally significantly. Here's one of the most vicious plays I've seen since watching hockey - the perpetrator did that crap all the time. I don't even know if Suter was suspended for it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tid_86o9M-o

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 6:49 pm EST

Bob: Yep, but as I've posted on here many times, it's not just Buttman and management who are guilty here. The NHLPA during CBA negotiates work with the owners and Buttman on disciplinary penalties associated to these headshots. The irony is laughable. Players praying on players in large part because the players collectively permit it to happen. It's really a vicious circle from that perspective.

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 6:40 pm EST

Look: If the NHL is willing to ignore the life after hockey experiences of Peat, Boogard, Pronger, Kariya and Beukeboom, they will do everything they can to avoid accountability. Just hearing some of these stories.....Breukelen having to stay inside due to the light of The Sun for years, Kariya today has ZERO memory of the Stevens hit game, the day before or 3 days afterward. And yet, they continue to dance through hoops to avoid suspending the players who go for headshots claiming that the “science is not settled.” So imagine how often this happens with guys who were never good enough to play in the NHL. This “concussion spotter” business is a complete joke and the NHL’s lame attempt to appear to care about the issue. meanwhile, they give guys who target the head chump change fines. All managed and driven by Gary B. Bettman.

Bob


Tue Nov 21 2017 6:09 pm EST

TD: Here's why: The NHL has been hiding the concussion thing for decades to the point where there's documented evidence of that. This problem goes way back and the financial fallout if/when the courts get a hold of it could be HUGE. The NHL is, therefore, avoiding it as long as possible hoping it goes away. Buttman is probably thinking about how near his retirement is and that he will be rid of the NHL when it does hit the fan. It's typical NHL management (dys)functionality.

rf4L


Tue Nov 21 2017 5:15 pm EST

Hospo -- check your email!

JFC31


Tue Nov 21 2017 5:04 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/21/the-standard-rangers-gm-faces-before-franchise-altering-decision/

stevielegs


Tue Nov 21 2017 4:32 pm EST

Well said, Bob. I remember a long time ago a locker room convo when a father was saying he pulled his kid from hockey after his second concussion. Can't recall where his kid was playing, but is was at some level that was on the funnel toward pros...and I remember at the time thinking it was a bizarre reaction...as though a few concussion...meh? But I was a hell of a lot younger, without kids and, at the very least, as dumb as I am now...most likely a lot dumber...I read about Peat and Boogaard and the like, and man...the cost of playing this sport is just so goddamn much...I can't imagine watching my kid go from a second round pick to a situation where he/she can't even focus on menial day-to-day tasks...I mean, watching kids come home from war that way is gut-wrenching, but at least the military makes an attempt to help them...the NHL? Meh. It sounds like they pretty much wash their hands. I can't fathom WHY...especially with all the goddamn money coming into the NHL...why they wouldn't put this shit on the front burner...help guys like Peat...and if not him, AT THE VERY LEAST, the guys who are still in the goddamn league...remember: Boogaard was still IN the league when he died...just unreal, the cavalier attitude it takes...Like racehorses that 'break down' they're pretty much cut loose to die.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 3:25 pm EST

Rhet the only thing captain mcdoodie parmenter carries is veenyo’s gum . That could cause a strain. The team has been carrying him this year so far. Next year he’ll be an all star if he’s still here. He’ll be playing for a new contract.

Stevielegs


Tue Nov 21 2017 3:03 pm EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ......... AV says McDonagh issue has been lingering, docs want to take a closer look. Won't make trip, unclear about avail on Friday. Will know more Wednesday.

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 21 2017 2:49 pm EST

so will that stomach strain stop captain mcdoodie parmenter from eating turkey ? ...he strains my stomach.....

stevielegs


Tue Nov 21 2017 2:45 pm EST

TD: I wasn't saying that the hit was a blind side hit. I was just giving examples of other hits that are no longer allowed in the game. Any hit where you are sending a guy dangerously into the boards (especially at high speed) is going to get a 5 minute major and game misconduct. The hitter is responsible to pull up and not make that hit. That is the way the NHL sees it and calls it. You know this as they talked about it openly and than have called it that way for some time. And I guarantee you that if you asked the NHL "what do you want me to do? Pull up and let the guy get to the puck and maybe have it cost us a goal?" the NHL's response will be "YEP". Because that is a better outcome to the NHL then having a player laying on ice paralyzed or dead. They absolutely do not want to ever see that. And you know what.....I agree with them in that respect. I don't ever want to see any of these kids get paralyzed or killed. Is it worth it? Maybe I'm just getting soft in my old age. I still love rough and tumble hockey. I love the hitting, scrums and good fights. But I don't want to see any 25 year old kid lose his life or end up in a wheelchair for 50 years.

Vic


Tue Nov 21 2017 2:04 pm EST

Hospo...I'm with you on LB. Plenty of flotsom and jetsom but at least there's something beyond the MSG controlled drivel his peers spew.

Rf4l


Tue Nov 21 2017 2:00 pm EST

Bob...agreed. It'll eventually come back to bite the NHL I think. How hard and when remains to be seen...

Rf4l


Tue Nov 21 2017 1:25 pm EST

Unfortunately, it's about time the rangers were hit with an injury that matters..been the luckiest team in the NHL in that regard so far..

Hospo


Tue Nov 21 2017 1:24 pm EST

MCD out? So, 1st pair D of KAMPFER-HOLDEN??? :)

Hospo


Tue Nov 21 2017 1:23 pm EST

E -I think Brooks is the only Ranger beat writer worth reading, even if I disagree with everything or not...The other guys are just drones and parrots..As for Brooks lates, I think he has some points and wouldn't se surrprised if some of it echoes feelins in Ranger management....We'll see.

Hospo


Tue Nov 21 2017 1:14 pm EST

The Stephen Peat story in The NY Times is haunting. Must be whayt it was like for Boogard’s family. Gary Bettman is spending his time trying to extort money from city governments for new rinks, and holding the Olympics hostage in a effort to further extract concessions from the players. Meanwhile............this is allowed to go on with no help from the NHL as they continue to resist cracking down on headshots.

Bob


Tue Nov 21 2017 12:56 pm EST

Vic - But that's the thing: BOROWEICKI wasn't blindsided at all. He saw SMITH coming. Even staring at the puck, you could have seen him approach. It's hits like this that prompted the NHL to declare automatic icing. Again, were Boroweicki not in full stride and had Smith adjusted his angel ever so slightly, they would have basically come together, slowed and hit the boards at the same time. Like I said, Smith didn't even hit him that hard. And in truth, it was less a hit than it was him muscling him away from the puck. Smith's decisions were as follows: 1. Muscle in and risk the interference penalty; 2. Let Boroweicki beat him to the puck and then try to pin him on the boards before he could drop it to another Sens player; or 3. Grab the puck first and get pummeled by Boroweicki. He made the right choice in picking 1. Just it was a perfect storm.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 12:48 pm EST

I skate with parents in all stages...guys who are just getting their kids on the ice to guys who are sending their kids off to Juniors and beyond...I skate with kids who dream of one day being in the NHL, though none of them say it outright...that thought: "Wow, what would it be like to be a professional..." But you read about it from the eyes of a parent who was there...and then see what the league did to his kid. Man, it's sobering. The NHL created the enforcer caste...supported it for DECADES. It's strange to think that not too long ago, guys like BOOGAARD, SHELLEY and BRASHEAR still had a roster spot. And to a degree, some still do, tucked away in the AHL or even the NHL: The Penguins recently gave up a first rounder and a prospect for Ryan REAVES, who probably wouldn't have a job in the NHL were it not for fisticuffs...Then you read about Stephen PEAT. I vaguely remember this guy from back in the day...and it's not like anyone forced him or anyone else to take the path of a pugilist. But you would think that the league and it's player's association would take responsibility for the guys that were quite clearly broken playing the game instead of cutting them loose and letting them basically die on the street with a path of carnage in their wake. This is a pretty sobering story. Take a look. Definitely worth a read: nyti.ms/2zUwjur

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 12:37 pm EST

Hmmm, sports hernia?

mf


Tue Nov 21 2017 12:31 pm EST

Can you get an adominal strain carrying another player up and down the ice? ....Per Jim Cerny‏ @JimCerny ..... So #NYR captain Ryan McDonagh is out for tomorrow's game with abdominal strain. Wonder if that is new injury or been lingering...

Rhet0ric


Tue Nov 21 2017 11:37 am EST

You had to figure it was time for Brooks to drop his wisdom stick in the septic tank and stir. The New York Rangers have plenty of cap relief coming and next season will likely yield a very different product. But they are a team in transition. I think that they are a better team on paper then last season. But what does that mean on the ice? Brooks should just shut up. But he hasn’t in 20 years and you can go back again and again and point out an endless slew of this garbage. His articles are toilet paper worthy. Wrapped around a stick.

E


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:28 am EST

RF4L- Hehe, I thought the tweets from ppl thinking Marlyn Manson had died was so funny. “#RipCharlesManson poison is the best song ever”. Humor at its best... ;)

Ola


Tue Nov 21 2017 9:06 am EST

TD: I was busy yesterday and didn't get to respond to your last post to me about the SMITH hit. First, I don't think Intent plays into this at all. Just like with the high stick penalties, you are responsible to not drill a defenseless player into the boards or hit a player blindside. And yes, if you are in a position where you could drill a guy dangerously into the boards the NHL not only wants you to pull up....they EXPECT you pull up. Basically, the hitter is responsible for not hitting a guy if it could end up in a horrific injury. And this is the case with all kinds of hits that used to be standard hockey plays. Hits that used to be ESPN hightlight plays that were celebrated. Remember all of those plays where a guy would be coming into the zone on one side of the ice trying to deke outside and then cut inside only to be met by a D like STEVENS who would cut across and throw that monster blind side hit with the shoulder/elbow to the head? People used to say stuff like "serves you right for dipsy doodling and not keeping your head up." Not anymore. That hit is illegal now. You can't blind side the guy and light him up. If he doesn't see you coming you can't drill him. It is the hitter's responsibility to pull up. Same thing with the huge hits behind the net where a forward would be battling with someone else for possession of the puck while another defender comes flying in around the other side of the net to light him up. That used to be a hockey play. Not anymore. That is an illegal hit now.

Vic


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:44 am EST

Pretty funny in that LB trots out his famous trading target: Jumbo Joe!

Rf4l


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:41 am EST

Ola.. Or his kid playing in Anaheim...

Rf4l


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:41 am EST

TD...LB is all about getting eyes on his articles. And it works doesn't it? ;^)

Rf4l


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:38 am EST

Rhet0ric- Manson, is that the old Winnipeg defender? ;)

Ola


Tue Nov 21 2017 8:24 am EST

re: BROOKS - I don't think there is a writer I disagree with more than him. And I don't think there's a Rangers' beat who takes such pleasure in stirring the pot with melodrama. He takes particular glee in noting how the team is always poised to be awful. And his latest column is no exception. What totally perplexes me is that I would have actually agreed with his dumbass were this three weeks ago and the Rangers still working on their first win of the season...but since then, they've toppled some of the best teams in the league. I'm not willing to say they're going to the finals, but...and this is the small part where I agree with Brooks...the race for the cup is an open field. I don't think you can look at the standings today and accurately forecast how this thing is going to play out. For that matter, I don't think there are many seasons where you could make that call at the deadline...or even during game 82 of the season...That said, here's what you CAN say about the Rangers without a doubt: If there's a chance they make the playoffs this season, they're going for it. There will be NO sell-off...there will be NO rebuild. If this team is at .500...which they most likely will be...they will be angling for the playoffs...I could see them going for a rental, but I don't think they're going to be overpaying for anything...Gorton is slowly sliding pieces into place for the future. It's going to be tough for fans to watch a guy like NASH and likely GRABNER go to free agency for nothing...but that is what will happen, baring an epic Montreal-esque collapse...It's an even more unlikely, at this point...and given how they're playing...that they'll entertain the notion of moving McDONAGH...and contrary to what Brooks writes...it's not a tough decision for Gorton. If the Rangers are close, MSG will make him go for it. Simple economics.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 7:48 am EST

Domink HASEK played 89 games and won a cup in 2001-2002...He went on to play another four seasons in the NHL, including a deep cup run as a 41-year-old in 2006-2007, and then two season in Europe...Tim THOMAS won a cup for the Bruins and the Conn Smythe playing 82 games...Dwayne ROLOSON took the Oilers to the Cup Finals in 2005-2006 as a 35-year-old...and then the Lightning to the Conference Finals five seasons later as a 40-year-old...If you're looking at HANK'S game today and shouting 'the window is closing,' then you're making a very bold prediction that he's going to wake up one day and be a walking corpse. I agree, the guy shouldn't be starting 70-plus games...and eventually, they're going to have to start pursing out some starts to PAVELEC...but there's simply no evidence that Hank is diminishing at a rapid or increasing rate. He's not what he was in his mid-20s, for sure...but fundamentally, he's the same incredible goalie and probably among the top five in the league. What he has accomplished with the trainwreck that has become the Rangers' defense is fairly incredible.

tdchi


Tue Nov 21 2017 12:28 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/how-much-could-rasmus-dahlin-help-your-struggling-team

mf


Mon Nov 20 2017 9:14 pm EST

Non-Hockey Post.... So long Charles Manson, rot in Hell you sick SOB. You will not be missed!

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:05 pm EST

COMARK....Brady Skjei loved the SNL skit....“As they say in hockey, let’s do that hockey.” ....For those of you who haven't seen it, there a link at the bottom of the Daily News article... http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/brady-skjei-enjoyed-snl-skit-featuring-jersey-article-1.3644016

Rhet0ric


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:05 pm EST

Hospo as you know 16 teams have a chance every year, and the nyr will probably be one of them. Except their chances are not good to get past the first or second round because of you know who...

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 7:28 pm EST

Stevie - what I have been saying all along about the proposed sell offs and the Rangers Cup chances given the rest of the NHL, especially the easy to play in East (physically)..You do not trade MCD and some others until you know for sure you don't have a chance....and if you do have a chance, go for it..

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 7:15 pm EST

LHS D'man Toby Entsrom out, will they be in the market for a replacement? Potential trade? ... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/big-test-for-jets-defensive-depth-with-enstrom-out-eight-weeks

mf


Mon Nov 20 2017 7:08 pm EST

https://nypost.com/2017/11/18/houston-we-have-the-nhls-latest-bargaining-chip/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 7:07 pm EST

“Benny reminded me about it at the morning skate,” Lundqvist told The Post, alluding to the goalie whisperer, Benoit Allaire. “It kind of stunk a little bit, too, him telling me that these are the guys that knocked me and us out. “It pissed me off a little bit and got me more emotional about it. But I knew what he was doing. It was an important game for us.”

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 7:02 pm EST

rf so maybe they have to buyout hanky before his contract expires.....they been there, done that before with few already....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 6:52 pm EST

CM imagine how cryer fans feel that they traded bobo and ended up with too many to mention, and not one close to what he is...that's got to hurt ......that's why all these arm chair gms , including me, can be totally wrong on moves.....fishboy usually errs on the side of not making trades, except for his retool re-fool bs . Most of that has to do with cap headaches more than anything else.....and he won't fire assvipe because of his record....unless he ever figures out he's not a good playoff coach......need lemon Lou who fired coaches near the end of the season to get that done .....but I highly doubt he will extend him again unless a miracle occurs , and he gets a ring this year or next.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 6:09 pm EST

"So you watch the Rangers every night, pick apart every flaw, and inevitably reach the no-brainer conclusion that a Cup is out of the question and that pending free agents Rick Nash, Michael Grabner and Nick Holden must be bartered for futures while potential 2019 UFA’s Ryan McDonagh and Mats Zuccarello should be aggressively marketed as well. But then you watch other teams, identify all of their flaws, and you think that if Henrik Lundqvist’s revival holds, the Blueshirts could win a round the way they did last year and then based on the draw, maybe even another one, and then, well, what if Neal Pionk and Filip Chytil are ready to contribute the second half and the club is augmented by adding Joe Thornton as a rental? Modal Trigger But it is not important if that is my thought process or your thought process. It is only important if that is the thought process of general manager Jeff Gorton, who in my opinion faces the diciest challenge approaching the Feb. 26 trade deadline as any Ranger in that position since Neil Smith in 1994.".....https://nypost.com/2017/11/20/examining-rangers-extremes-joe-thornton-run-ryan-mcdonagh-sell-off/

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 5:35 pm EST

CM/Stevie: 3 more years AFTER this year of Hank - still plenty of opportunity for the Rangers to be stuck with that contract. That said, he is playing well lately and clearly, can still play very well. FWIW, I think he's being over-used but what do I know?

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 4:39 pm EST

CM - Just not a fan of the little man On any team) yapping at (or more) at bigger guys becasue ther's no way the bigger player is going to do anything really..as he would agasint somebody his own size..That doesn't mean I down like his feistiness during play. and around the net

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 3:55 pm EST

TD: I would not disagree with your assessment to his minor league career. I’m not in a good enough place to discuss it with authority so Ill take your word. But what I will add is something that the fans often miss is the conversation between the players and the refs. Where you hit someone and it is borderline within the rules and a ref warning a player that if they do it again the hand is going to be raised. It’s the old story. But again I agree that rough and tumble play is a product of emotional play. While I think the east is a more antiseptic type of play the west still plays a more physical and in my opinion a more entertaining style of play but here too I see a fading of that style of play and being replaced with a stick oriented game where it’s zone defense and not standing someone up at the blue line and riding them out of the play. So much collapsing defensive zone support to make it hard for the other team to get enough time to get those double screens. I don’t particularly like it. And honestly I find a team like Ottawa that plays not to lose 5X5 the most mind numbing experience that makes me want to turn off the game altogether. Meanwhile, I went to an LA game v. The Ducks? That was just a rivalry. I see a NYI v. New York Rangers and you could here a fart in the blueseats all over the arena.

E


Mon Nov 20 2017 3:43 pm EST

HOSPO: you can make a strong argument that the West is significantly more physical then the east. But then again the team that rises above is the Blackhawks who rarely if ever fight. They are a low penalty team. It just is what it is. But in my experience hitting and physical play is a momentum thing. Someone lays a good hit on one of your guys. Maybe it’s high, maybe it’s just putting him on his wallet. But, now you got some anger on the bench and the intensity picks up quick from there. Like was pointed out a few days ago Tkachuk causes a riot when he is out there. They’re going to have reel him in a little:

E


Mon Nov 20 2017 3:38 pm EST

Stevie- I noticed the sudden silence of the "Hank is washed up and we are stuck with his contract" voices that overwhelmed this board for the first 10 games. Goalies might lose a bit of their reflexes in old age, but the best ones can play for a long time. Hank deserves the fans to support him a little more when he goes through a rough patch. Especially because there is no one to take his place until Shesterkin comes over. He's not getting traded and he's not retiring. He's been more consistent than any goalie in the league for his entire career. Talbot is good, but he isn't dominating like last year. Holtby and Dubnyk are pretty good. My FHL goalie Vasilevsky is pretty hot right now, playing for a hot team. Bobo the clown is up there (of course he has a crappy year when I draft him in the 1st round!) the last few years. But who do we have goalie envy of? Who does everyone who is done with Hank want playing instead of him? We are lucky to have a guy as competitive and proud as Hank, and I think he's got plenty of hockey left in him.

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 20 2017 3:29 pm EST

HOSPO- You didn't like the SNL bit? I was laughing my a$$ off. "Do that Hockey!" Also, we can agree to disagree about Zucc. I don't think he's one of those punks who runs around yapping knowing there is no retribution. I think he plays hockey the way you want your youngsters to model themselves after, which is why I'd never trade that guy despite his age and production levels.

ColoradoMark


Mon Nov 20 2017 2:18 pm EST

Hospo - Yeah, McKenzie wrote a pretty lengthy piece about the OEM-NYLANDER rumor...and then pretty much dismantled it. He doesn't think the Yotes are willing to move on from Ekman-Larsson yet, and I would agree. Maybe when CHYCHRUN is ready to step into his shoes...but what sense does it make? He also notes(interestingly enough and germane to our discussion here)that most teams look at NYLANDER as a top line WING, not a center...and therefore why would the Yotes want him? And he doesn't believe the "Shanaplan" involves trading any of the big three, including MATTHEWS and MARNER and of course, Nyls.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 2:10 pm EST

E - Again...If that's the case, then you have to apply that to when KREIDER was in Hartford. I saw the guy plenty of times live back then and all I could come back with was that he was totally and completely disinterested in playing in the AHL. And I see that same Kreider at times in the NHL. I don't think he's worried about getting penalized. And in truth, I think if you polled every single player on the ice at any given moment in the season, you wouldn't find one who would offer that sentiment. There's just so much that happens on the ice that is totally instinctual...physicality is something that comes out in a player naturally and not something that any coach or ref is going to bridle...stupid shit like what Matt COOKE used to do...or Zac RINALDO...that's the kind of crap you rein in...but muscling guys? Making big hits? Nope. I don't for one minute believe Kreider is holding anything back when he skates now. I do believe the guy has a consistency problem. He's a player that needs a bee in his bonnet...a fire under his ass...Once he's activated, look out.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 1:56 pm EST

puckyou - Totally agree. Accident, yes. Intent to injure? Nope. Two guys going hard for the puck. BOROWIECKI was off balance. Smith didn't even hit him that hard, but was firm on his skates...Vic - Again, I hear what you're saying and I think interference would have been a passable call here. But a match penalty? Hell no. What is Smith supposed to do? Let him get the puck? I suppose he could have stick checked him...or like I said, he could have gone for the puck and ended up on the receiving end of a dangerous hit.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 1:19 pm EST

E - Not really disagreeing with you on your take on Krieder..but..then there must be a different set or rules between western conference games and Ranger games..because I was watching a hell of alot of western conference games (No Sharks) the past few weeks and bodies were flying with no penalties being called (or few)..the stick work was another story

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 1:13 pm EST

Watching Chris Krieder skate in person is interesting and it doesn’t translate well on TV. His first step digs in so deep and has such a long stride that he doesn’t look like he is moving nearly as quickly as he does. On TV it looks like he is dogging it. But positionally he is where he needs to be. If there is a downside, he does not have the stickhandling of say Nash. So a lot of times for example, he tries to chip the puck off the boards to himself and then use his strength to push by. By contrast, Nash will make a skill move to deke a defender and come out of it puck on stick. And nowadays too often the leagues players show you numbers anytime they are along the boards to force you to pull up, stop striding and bounce off the boards. The slightest hit from behind gets called. The slightest glide before hit gets called. And his shoulder is at jaw level of a lot of guys and that’ll get called. I believe firmly that CK would love to drill players thru the boards because he can and it would get him pucks back but I really think that the refs watch him very closely and he always knows it. I absolutely used to LOVE to crack people. Anyone who can hit, loves to do it. Assuming you aren’t banged up yourself. And 90% of the league would come out of contact with Chris Krieder on the losing end. A Habs friend of mine comments frequently about how they thought that they’d be getting this massive body cruncher in Weber and how he seems to be much more of a stick checker now that he’s there. Right, blame the league. But also blame the evolution of the game. Once upon a time, taking yourself out of position to crack someone was no issue. Nowadays, no one glides back behind the play. The moment the puck changes direction you have to get back and cover in. If you think it’s bad in the NHL look at the big ice. The puck moves so fast the other way that physical play is becoming a lost art. Ultimately the trendline really is towards skill and away from physicality. I don’t know a fan base out there where they are happy with the amount of physicality that their team brings to the ice with them.

E


Mon Nov 20 2017 1:11 pm EST

If you watched the slow motion replay last night-BOROWIECKI gets ready to lay into Smith-Smith just overpowers him and he is surprised by the force & his legs come out from under him. Was a bad accident-but not an intent to injure-and if it was close to the boards-agree it would have been no big deal. Hopefully he is alright-but the 5 minute major and misconduct was a bit much-considering it's the same penalty Gudas got for trying to behead a guy.

puckyou


Mon Nov 20 2017 1:09 pm EST

VIC - I've looked at the play a few more times this afternoon and gotta say I agree with you more that it was indeed a penalty...it used to be hockey play but, you are right, not in today's NHL...Anyway, normaly nothing more than 2 minutes for interference in most cases except for the location, situation and result..

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:49 pm EST

TD: If that play happened away from the end boards it would have just been a 2 minute minor to SMITH for Interference. The 5 minute major and game misconduct was because of how dangerously close to the end boards the hit was and the impact/injury of the player. ARC: Like I said, it was a race to a puck like in an icing situation. It clearly wasn't an icing as the play would have been blown dead earlier. I get that you and a lot of others don't like the call. I'm not trying to say that I like it or not. I'm just saying that by the current rules and objectives of the NHL they are going to call that every time. And SMITH has to know that.

Vic


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:43 pm EST

Like the endless talk on here about MCD-Nylander, there's alot of rumors about a similar potential trade between TOR and ARZ and OEL and NYLANDER..https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/rumor-mckenzie-leaks-details-of-a-major-deal-between-leafs-and-coyotes?ref=david..I think OEL becomes a UFA in two years also..

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:36 pm EST

TDCHI _ Kid K is a weird case...Indeed it often looks like he is gliding/coasting but part of that is just his longer stride skating style...You are right though, he should be a monster but he too often plays like the rest of the Rangers..meaning skill hockey and when he goes to the net it's from outside and coming to the net late from a sharp angle (ala Nash)....He, and others, need to be making a straight line for the center of the net sometimes...Rarely does it.......He also can be an immovable object in front of the net on the PP...He has gotten much better at that and is a big reason for the PP success...You can also see the difference in his game when he gets pissed about something and the switch is turned on---that's the Kreider we need, if allowed by the coaches..

Hospo


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:08 pm EST

PJ - I think you're giving KREIDER a bit too much credit. Love the player and would hate to seem him moved, but the guy hasn't exactly been a model of consistency. I'll tell you this about him too: That perimeter skating Kreider we see from time to time? I got a great look at him when he was in Hartford during the lockout. And that's EXACTLY how he played down there...Not sure if you recall me bagging on him pretty bad...but that was why. MILLER was on the same team and was hitting anything that moved. Kreider was pretty much gliding...He's come a LONG way from those days and plays, I'd say, a pretty hard game now. But from time to time, I see that same guy...just kind of playing a nondescript game...The guy is like 6'3 and 225-plus pounds...and he's SO strong on his skates...guy should be wrecking people out there...but it's never really been his game...or at least it wasn't in college, where his speed and raw skill were more than enough to get him by...The Rangers staff has coached some snarl into him, but he still falls back on his perimeter play from time to time...nothing to do with being penalized or neutered...it's just who he is.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:00 pm EST

And how the hell does 'precisely' autocorrect to that???

_Arc


Mon Nov 20 2017 11:57 am EST

Vic- icing was already waived off so this WAS just 2 players battling for the puck as you do pre Isley described. Bullshit call imwo!

_Arc


Mon Nov 20 2017 11:21 am EST

The way they called that hit is the reason why Kreider is not very physical anymore....You will be penalized for your strength...Can cost your team the game....Great job on the kill in this one...Actually could hear the fans getting excited....

PJ


Mon Nov 20 2017 11:00 am EST

Vic - I get what you're saying, but realize if that hit happened a little farther away from the boards...if BOROWIECKI went down 10 feet farther out...it would have looked like a standard hit. The whole nasty part of the hit was how close it was to the boards. And I kind of doubt either player recognized where they were when it went down. They were both going Mach 10 for the puck. The injury, if there was one, to Borowiecki was unfortunate. But it's part of the game. Further away from the boards, the most that would have happened was the wind being knocked out of his lungs.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 10:55 am EST

The SMITH hit, at the VERY WORST, was interference. 2 minutes. That's it. But even then, I have a tough time calling interference on a guy when either one of them could have reached out and grabbed the puck. Had Smith gone for the puck, he would have been on the receiving end of the hit. BOROWIECKI wasn't puling up. Someone was crashing into the boards on that play. Borowiecki just happened to be on the losing end. If the NHL dishes out anything but a shrug on this, the whole lot of them in the front office should be sacked...I can forgive the bad call...You know what? That happened really fast. And if you're a ref looking at it from a different angle than we saw on television, I could totally understand why they thought it was a dangerous hit. It WAS a dangerous hit. But it was also 100 percent legal...as some have already mentioned: It's a play you see in almost every game. If you're going to suspend or regularly penalize people for hits like that, then go ahead and end hitting...turn the NHL into a no-checking beer league...On a related note, anyone notice that the officiating against the Rangers has been downright abysmal over the past three or four games?...the good news, though, is that our PK seems to be finding its groove.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 10:54 am EST

Vic buchabitch got called for doing that and his back was to the player who actually ran into him....another bs call by a ref.....interference.....the nhl is going overboard in stopping hitting and checking.....and just plain old playing hockey.....

stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 9:19 am EST

RF4L: Here is the provision they put in to allow that subtle pick we see on dump-ins all the time...........A player is allowed the ice he is standing on (body position) and is not required to move in order to let an opponent proceed. A player may “block” the path of an opponent provided he is in front of his opponent and moving in the same direction. Moving laterally and without establishing body position, then making contact with the non-puck carrier is not permitted and will be penalized as interference. A player is always entitled to use his body position to lengthen an opponent’s path to the puck, provided his stick is not utilized (to make himself “bigger” and therefore considerably lengthening the distance his opponent must travel to get where he is going); his free hand is not used and he does not take advantage of his body position to deliver an otherwise illegal check.

Vic


Mon Nov 20 2017 9:09 am EST

RF4L: When they first started calling Interference penalties tight after the lockout they were calling everything. Any kind of pick...any contact at the blue lines, any contact away from the puck. AND I WAS ALL FOR IT. It took teams like the Devils out of their game plan. They couldn't hold, pick, interfere and rub guys out along the boards when they didn't have the puck. It was a big part of the death of the NZT as we knew it. Since then they have lightened up on calling a lot of that. They will still call any blatant or hard pick but they let most of the small picks go. I think they did it because without something to slow down the forwards a little they were coming in like a freight train against the D who were playing pucks on dump ins. So in the interest of cutting down on injuries they usually allow the other D partner to skate across the path of the forechecker to slow him down. As long as you don't tie him up and take him out you won't get called for Interference.

Vic


Mon Nov 20 2017 9:01 am EST

ARC: I know what you are saying but no, that play doesn't happen 50 times a game. What happens 50 times a game is two players who "battle" for the puck when they are already within 5 to 10 feet of each other and are going for a loose puck. It happens in the corners and behind the net all the time. And it is deemed battling for a lose puck. This is not that play. This is two guys racing to get to a puck in an icing or near icing type situation. This doesn't fall under the "battle" provision in the rulebook. One of the big changes when all of the rules were changed a few years ago was to make it the responsibility of the players to not engage in a hit on a vulnerable player. A guy flying towards the end boards is by definition in a vulnerable position. Taking him off his feet GUARANTEES an extremely dangerous collision with the boards, specifically the bottom of the boards that have no give. The NHL knows that somebody was going to get paralyzed or killed if they didn't take this out of the game. That guy was lucky his back hit the wall first instead of crumpling into the boards head first.

Vic


Mon Nov 20 2017 9:00 am EST

TD,ty

mf


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:49 am EST

Based on that rule Vic there should be interference penalties called in almost every game every 30 seconds.

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:47 am EST

Zucchini was hit be Ryan on the same play high and harder, it looked like charging and a head shot .

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:44 am EST

Here are some excerpts from the rulebook that will probably be what the league uses to justify the call..... 56.2 Minor Penalty - A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who interferes with or impedes the progress of an opponent who is not in possession of the puck......56.4 Major Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player guilty of interfering with an opponent (see 56.5).......56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

Vic


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:35 am EST

Oh...I misread Vic's stance on that. I disagree with your stance Vic! LOL...2 minute interference penalty at best.

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:34 am EST

Arc: Are you agreeing with the call on the ice?

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:31 am EST

mf - re: FASKA, keep searching. Wouldn't say he's untouchable, but you're not going to get him for NASH straight up, much less with a first. He's a good young forward who has only scratched his potential. If the Stars are moving one of their former first rounders, look at OLEKSIAK and NICHUSHKIN first. Them maybe Julius HONKA. The rumors around the Stars are they're trying to find a taker for SPEZZA, which, in fact, would open up a greater role for a guy like Faska.

tdchi


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:31 am EST

Besides, how the hell did Ottawa manage not to get any minors right afterwards when at least 2 of their guys intstigated scrims and were the clear aggressors (against smith and Staal). The lack of emotion from this team (inspite of the win) is just startling.

_Arc


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:28 am EST

Vic- almost always agree with your views but not this time; That play happens 50 times every game almost always when two guys are going for a 50/50 puck. Just happens that smith caught the guy a little off balance I think and ended up being 'a hit'. There's no way not to brace yourself like that before you go into the boards, ur gonna be picking ur teach off the ice otherwise. Infant, it was in the other guys best interest to initiate contact (since he was near the boards) otherwise smith would've plastered him when he got to the end boards.

_Arc


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:20 am EST

BTW, I think it should be double but Gudas got 10 games. At least they didn't wimp out totally and give him something like 6 games.

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:17 am EST

Even dickaletti said it wasn’t even a penalty never mind a major and a game misconduct. The nhl better not suspend him and should recind the game misconduct. ... where are the hanky detractors and haters . His first saved was his best and kept them from playing from behind. And hanky is part of the pk numbers. But those facts get lost in opinions. Including dickaletti calling another save his best of the game probably because he forgot the one on the first with Ottawa on the pp where he was singing the praises calling it unbelievable. That’s Typical for him and nosen. I think they hold hands during the game when the camera is not on them , if not even more. They way the look and stare at each other in the pregame is so cute and romantic. All the need to do is a hug and a lip lock. God forbid.

Stevielegs


Mon Nov 20 2017 8:15 am EST

I'm Vic on the Smith hit on Mark Borowiecki. If it had occurred in more open ice and Borowiecki had not hit the boards, at worse it would be a 2 minute interference penalty and even at that, it's borderline. And while this has nothing to do with the play's severity (or lack thereof) Borowiecki is a dirty player in his own right so boohoo to him.

rf4L


Mon Nov 20 2017 6:17 am EST

"PUNK" So, Zuccarello is a punk? His heart is twice the size of yours. What sports did you play? Oh yeah, pocket pool and varsity basket weaving. You are an a--hole!!!

kitchen1


Mon Nov 20 2017 12:07 am EST

CM - Yeah, I saw ZUCC yapping like all little punks can do in the NHL now becasue there is little retribution..and there were a few checks here and there, but just seemed very mild to me..like always..One thing though, the Ranger D usually does their fair share of hitting nad physicality,,,it's the forwards that like to be the prfetty boys usually

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:51 pm EST

PAT: Look, I totally understand your point of view on it and I personally don't disagree. But you have to understand that the NHL wants that out of the game. They will call that a 5 minute major and game misconduct every time. And I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a game or two suspension for it. We'll see this week.

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:44 pm EST

HOSPO- I get your feeling that the game was boring and I think that’s definitely a valid interpretation, though I personally enjoyed it. As for physicality, I disagree. I thought the game was reminiscent of the MON series last year. STAAL was nasty and threw some people around. Zucc got in peoples faces and there were some good hits. I think this shows what this team is capable of. I think DD might be in trouble. I think he has until the world juniors, which when finished will mean the return of CHYTIL who I think will boost our offensive depth. HOLDEN had some good moments tonight, I’m just not sold on him long term!

ColoradoMark


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:15 pm EST

Vic- that move is what I taught my son prior to Bantams when the game turned to live fire. The kids who dart straight at the puck without a thought to the contact are the ones who get pancaked. I showed my son video of the original Peter Forsberg (he had no idea who he was!) and how he would do it to opposing players all night long. It’s not dirty at all, just smart. Smiths hot wasn’t malicious in any way at all. It was a smart Hockey play by a recently benched/scratched player looking to make a play and stay in the lineup. I’ll take it all day.

PatrickDiv


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:13 pm EST

Rhet: Yep. Interesting that both teams are considered small markets, have never won a cup and their biggest achievements was/is getting to the final. Different routes/strategies netting the same outcome.

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:57 pm EST

Dan Rosen‏Verified account @drosennhl ..... The Rangers are 88.0 percent (22-for-25) on the PK in their past 9 games. They are 7-2-0 in those games. They were 77.0 percent (35-for-45) in their first 12 games and went 3-7-2.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:55 pm EST

HOSPO: The other guy was tied up a bit with MZA and was looking for contact. But SMITH was looking to drill him hard. TRADE: That move was one of AVERY's favorites. Instead of trying to get to the puck first when he was racing an opponent he would pull up a little bit and then cut and drive his shoulder into him taking him off his feet.

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:54 pm EST

E.... It's hard to understand Ottawa. They bring in guys and then don't play them to their strength's. They also have a habit of not picking the right targets to trade for. If I'm Ottawa, I would have kept Turris. IMO, he was the better fit for their team. Also, not one team in the NHL was going to give Colorado their asking price, but here comes Ottawa dropping their pants to give them everything they ever wanted for Duchene. All that for a guy that has underperformed for the most part to his talent level. Ottawa has a history of making bad decisions on personnel where as, Nashville has the history of making the right decisions on personnel(when it comes to trades).

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:50 pm EST

E - I likev their game alot better then you,,They got some talented players (Ryan, Brass, Duchense, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau)..but good to see them sacrficing consistently for the good of the team.It worked last season and unless they are plauing the Rangetrs..hope it works this year......Tonight was a different story, they were gassed after 3 games in 4 nights...had no chance coming back agasint a smart Ranger team..

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:44 pm EST

Vic, how do you group Avery with being a dirty player? He was a fuggin moron but he was far from dirty like Kaleta, Cooke, Torres, and now Gudas......

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:41 pm EST

I simply can’t stand Ottawa. I don’t even understand how a player like Duchene who is at his best playing a fast paced game fits with their scheme. Can you imagine a world where they didn’t counter punch but rushed up the ice and gained the zone with possession? This 0-5 trap is just garbage. It end up being a game of hope that you can reach the red line and pitch a puck in and go get it. Other then that? You’re going nowhere fast. I’m glad the Sens got shut down. Knock those grubs down a few pegs and hopefully keep them from the playoffs.

E


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:39 pm EST

Vic.....McDonagh was nudged into the boards in a prone position......it was a dirt bag move

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:25 pm EST

VIC - yes, Smith wasn't playing a guy with the puck..but it shouldn't have been a major..BOTH guys attempted to hit each other//SMith won the physcal battle...but lost

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:21 pm EST

As for the rest of the game....The Rangers played smart and disciplined hockey for most of the night. I really hate Ottawa. They have some talented players on that team but they game they play is so boring it sucks the life out the sport.

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:17 pm EST

For those who think that was a bad call I have to completely disagree. It was a textbook call and one that has been made under those circumstances since AVERY was playing for this team. First off, the Sens player didn't have the puck. So any hit on the guy is definitely an Interference penalty. But a hit on a guy who is flying towards the boards without the puck is deemed a dangerous hit on a defenseless player. That is a play they league is trying to get rid of. It was one of the major reasons for the change to the no-touch icing rule. It was a dumb and unnecessary play by SMITH and it could have cost the Rangers the game.

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:13 pm EST

trade - Like I said, it was a good all around effort and i'll take it....but their games are still meek and boring as shit to me..

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:12 pm EST

Rhet that's freaking Hilarious. Shampoo boy looks like a he should be driving a Cadillac Eldorado

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:11 pm EST

TRADE: That hit by SMITH was nothing like the hit on McDONAGH the other night. McDONAGH had the puck and was skating up the boards.

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:08 pm EST

Hospo.....we dont need the Rangers to try to run the other team through the boards.....thats not the MO for this team......it's speed, creativity and good 3 zone coverage that will put up the points....and of course push back when being pushed,,,,and the biggest key is to not wait to be down a goal or two.....every game....come out of the gate like Secreteriat

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:04 pm EST

we just need one loose canon Brendan Smith'esque type player up front....just to keep the other team honest.......how much for Shaw?

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:03 pm EST

Lou it's s pimp hat.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:59 pm EST

I'm sorry but that's the gayest Hat I ever seen

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:57 pm EST

Rhet: Sure, "If we could get Nash back at $2.5 to $3 Mil on a 2year deal' BUT first trade his ass out of here and get a high draft pick in return. Then if he wants to come back, "Ross Perot is all ears!" ;-)

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:53 pm EST

They showed the schedule during the game and it got me thinking.....After Dec 1st, the Rangers will have played 26 game--EIGHTEEN at home...After that 22 home and 34 away, a brutal schedule.....Need to keep playing team hockey like tonight and store up some points.

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:44 pm EST

tradestar -still a boring non-physical game except for that one hit..But, I'll take the responisble, disciplined 60-minute effort

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:43 pm EST

They talked about it Friday Rangers worst in the league at GWA and tonight according to NHL.com 14 more.. we need to smarten up with our puck management... if we do we could be a dangerous team

sjw


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:40 pm EST

excellent all around game for the NYRs.........the key was the fuckin puck pursuit.....the back checking.......the defensive zone coverage.....getting the puck out of the zone.......and just sound fundamentals.......Looks like I will have to go on Wednesday in Raleigh to cheer on this brand of hockey

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:32 pm EST

It's a Papa John's Goal

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:30 pm EST

Zabadabadoo GOOOAAALLL 3-0 RANGERS

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:29 pm EST

who else but Mr. PP and EN....

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:29 pm EST

Z-BAD with the empty netter!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:28 pm EST

Great Team Kill on a Bad call...great disciplined effort all night

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:27 pm EST

If we could get Nash back at $2.5 to $3 Mil, I'd bring him back. Although, it is probably his last chance to make some decent money and he will probably chase the paycheck.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:22 pm EST

1 shot on goal on a 5 minute major. Nash was brilliant there.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:21 pm EST

Rangers on fire!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:18 pm EST

That was a play where the refs looked at the result(the player down), instead of what actually happened.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:16 pm EST

Take break from chewing the fucking gum and give the ref an earful after a complete horseshit call like that!!!!

_Arc


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:15 pm EST

Smith will probably get benched for a few games after that penalty, but it was pretty innocent. It should not have been a penalty, especially not a major.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:12 pm EST

5 minute major for Smith. Ryan better get 2 for the hit on MZA.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:12 pm EST

5 minute major for Smith. Ryan better get 2 for the hit on MZA.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:12 pm EST

Grabby woot woot woot

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:11 pm EST

what a fuckin bullshit call with this 5 min major......That garbage was the same thing that happened to McDonagh the other night....Fuck the goddamn refs

tradestar28


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:09 pm EST

Grabner! He would be stupid t sign anywhere else in the offseason.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:09 pm EST

Hospo- Yeah everybody except the person that matters the most: The idiot friggin coach!!! I don't see anything from the guy save for jaust skating around aimlessly. What a waste of talent. I remember a time during the old Canada cup days when he was the best guy out there on a team that had the likes of Lindross, Leclair, Mess, Kariya......

_Arc


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:06 pm EST

Wow...pavel holden...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:04 pm EST

Getting sloppy....

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:00 pm EST

Wow that drop pass really tricks everyone by wasting time... next up the hockey Statue of Liberty play

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:58 pm EST

Here comes the Ottawa 3 rd period comeback as the nyr get lulled by their lullaby. Assvipe will be in his usual deer in the headlights coma.

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:56 pm EST

LOU - You can say that about MZA and other forwards also..but it's really not fair..this is a positional, disciplined type of game and Nash..as well as most of the frwards are doing a good job...But I hear ya on KRIEDER, start hitting some poeple damn ot!!.....Shut the hell up Valliquette..God he is nauseating

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:50 pm EST

Is Dick Rash in the lineup

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:45 pm EST

Is Kreider playing today

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:29 pm EST

Rangers playing a good, responsible , patient game so fa..and thaking the chances when they can..Hope they don't lose the focus

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:27 pm EST

_Arc - Who's pretending on here? Maybe in the mdia but on here "15-20g, 35-40p 3rd liner" is pretty much what everybody has him pageed as nowadays..Although I'll say he can be usful on the 2nd line also...Good player to have but at half the price

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:23 pm EST

Anderson really looked like Hank handling the puck behind the net that lead to the NYR goal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:20 pm EST

Shitbox PP....sigh

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:15 pm EST

How the hell did Nash manage to score 40g??? His release is awful these days..... spots the defender about a full second to close him down. It's time to treat this guy for what he really is; 15-20g, 35-40p 3rd liner. Pretending that he's a 1st line franchise player is hurting this team. There's 10 other forwards on this team better suited for his opportunities. Ive had it with this bum. Hayes should be getting pp time.

_Arc


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:14 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL Purple Hayes

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:12 pm EST

Wow, Hayes didn't pass the puck, Shazam Shazam Shazam 1-0 -0

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:09 pm EST

PP sucking again.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:52 pm EST

Assvipe in a former job .... https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=amLimIeW&id=82580872EC0A1115F36D2B72E3CDD54566D80828&thid=OIP.amLimIeW_HYGRCeSYOAkCQEfEs&q=frank+nitti+untouchables+picture&simid=607989907255135738&selectedIndex=0&PC=APPL

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:52 pm EST

Missed most of the period and the greatness of Boo..like durig the 1st two periods agasint Arizona..Glad somebody found that guy and replaced the Invisible man

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:43 pm EST

Nieves best player on ice!! Seriously!!! I see Quickie is on 1st line. What a friggin douche this fat fuck is.

_Arc


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:41 pm EST

Hanky saves a goal but that’s no big deal. Only when he doesn’t he’s done.

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:39 pm EST

AV still hasn't figured out how to beat Ottawa's trap....Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, why bother showing up for this gamed??? How's Kream-Puff Kreider doing ???? I hope they fuckin lose..

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:33 pm EST

Nieves looking really good...

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 7:20 pm EST

Classic Rick Nash… 2 on 1… Wide-open long side… Shoots wide.

rf73


Sun Nov 19 2017 6:57 pm EST

For once I turned on the game early and what do I see but that smug condescending shit Valliquette..God I hate him

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 6:37 pm EST

We cannot afford to give these points away. Time to points in the bank. Homemade victory calzones tonight

rangerlou


Sun Nov 19 2017 6:09 pm EST

Tradestar & RangerLou must have stuck the Ol Strombolini up AV's "derriere" to loosen things up...

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 5:39 pm EST

Not just DD sitting on the pine, looks like some strange lines..including Fast on the 2nd line, MZA with MIller and VESY dropped to the 4th with the two nobodys...Kreider-Zbad-Buch; Nash-Hayes-Fast; Grabs-Miller-Zucc; Vesey-Nieves-Carey

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 5:38 pm EST

"THE WALL!"

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 5:38 pm EST

OR maybe they read, m"

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 5:35 pm EST

I'm surprised that AV is putting MILLER at Center tonight without having to have his arm twisted. Maybe there is pressure from GORTON. Maybe we are getting close to a trade. Who knows. I assume that means that CAREY is in tonight, which doesn't get me too excited. But it is what it is....

Vic


Sun Nov 19 2017 4:39 pm EST

RF: I don't know if Dallas would do that, however I would in a heartbeat.. I believe that NASH would have to accept a trade to Dallas, and he actually gets a raise as there is NO State Income tax... Dallas is cap-strapped, but we could work that out by eating salary, OR, if this trade is not rich enough for them to bite, maybe we offer to swap back-up goalies because they may view Pavelec a better gamble than Lehtonen....I doubt very much that if Hank goes down in the Playoffs, that it's going to matter who we have in goal between those two gems, so WTF, if it gets us this young center and an additional 1st round pick, yes sir let's do it...

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 4:27 pm EST

Mf...Nash for him and a first. How's that?

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 4:07 pm EST

Trolling for trade targets I came across Dallas' RADEK FAKSA, a center from the Czech Repuplic, turns 24 in January drafted 1/13 in 2012..... This kid looks like he'd be a great 3rd line & 4th line center "IF" we are going to continue to be a 4 line team.... This kid is putting up some good numbers across the spectrum... Dallas is only playing him slightly above 12 minutes p/g, he has 5g, 4a, +4, 6 PIM, 0 PPP, 0 SHP, 2 GWG, 29 SOG, and he's won 95 FO's (not sure of his FO % at this time) ... Hockey News States his Career Potential as: Solid, defense-first center with some upside....... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9339

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 3:57 pm EST

Pionk has a reputation in college hockey for playing the body hard. Some fights are good for him if he’s going to play that way. Be a little rough and tumble is something the New York Rangers could use more of. Not for fights but for swagger and emotion.

E


Sun Nov 19 2017 3:00 pm EST

mf: I'd prefer a few Johnny Valetines withg Atomic Skullcrushers! :)

Ranger47


Sun Nov 19 2017 2:44 pm EST

You might say that there's a little CHYTIL in all of us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aepfYMHr674

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 12:46 pm EST

RF4L - Damn, didn't thinbk AV had it in him!!DESHARNAIS where he should be (Or Nieves for that matter).. Now give JT some games to see if thei will work instead of yo-yoing hm.....My bet, though, Is that they still looking for a center

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 12:34 pm EST

DD pressboxed...Miller to start at center.

Rf4l


Sun Nov 19 2017 12:17 pm EST

I'm sorrybut, just like most of SNL stuff, that was prettty lame..

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:57 am EST

"Rangers" on SNL....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ij4a6x_mPs

RF73


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:37 am EST

http://dropyourgloves.com/Fights/GameEvents.aspx?Game=625352&Fight=554485#Fight554485

docjay


Sun Nov 19 2017 11:32 am EST

neal pionk can really fight , he won a clear decision over a noted ahl good who is 4 inces talker and outweighs him by 15 lbs throws good combinations and with malice sorta like george mcphee. and vinnie latieri also handled himself pretty well last night too. hes a scrapper

docjay


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:57 am EST

TDCHI - Ah..I get it...you're going back to the original talk when he was drafted..there's some truth to it....Despite initial reactions, all i can say is he looked like a special offensive talent in camp that needed more seasoning...Hope he has only gotten better in Hartford...If AV will not play Miller at C and the Rangers don't make a trade, might as well AT SOME POINT bring the kid up and give him a go at top 9 C with Desarnais dropped back to the 4th line or sent to Timbuktu for all I care

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:42 am EST

Ty Ronning - 23 goals in 23 WHL games so far.

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:39 am EST

Agreed that Chytil looks like the real deal. It'll be interesting to see how he fares in the WJC - if he's doing well against men in the AHL, he should thrive against teenagers.

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 10:33 am EST

Hospo - My only point is that CHYTIL was clearly beyond juniors when he showed in camp. And quite frankly, I think he surprised a lot of folks with his play --especially the Rangers themselves. Certainly, there were 20 other teams that didn't see this kid as a first rounder. And I don't think any of the pundits had him picked in the first...I certainly didn't. And that's why it's never good to comment on players you've never seen...but it was pretty clear during camp that the kid was far more advanced in his game...I think it's great that he's in Hartford. I hoped they didn't send him back to Europe and was pretty certain they wouldn't send him to North Bay...Hartford is the right place for him, which is pretty clear right now. The guy is an impact player there...We have something very special in Chytil.

tdchi


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:46 am EST

CoMark: I concur Chytil in Hartford is preferred over the Czech league, although in saying that I will admit I know nothing about that league. I suspect, however, the biggest issue would be the Rangers having no control over how he's used, nor do I believe it's very competitive. I still believe the OHL would have the best place for him but obviously so far, it's working out ok in Hartford. He needs to stay IMO until at least after the WJC.

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:43 am EST

Chytil back with 2 goals. Lettieri with 3 points. And a fight.

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 9:39 am EST

No idea if it means anything but Babcock, half way thru the Montreal/TOronto game yesterday suddenly put Marner on Matthews wing, bumping Nylander down the lineup, this despite the fact that the Leafs were winning at the time. To no surprise they immediately clicked - Marner set up Matthews for 2 goals shortly thereafter. Is this Babcock checking things out due to a pending Nylander exodus??

rf4L


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:04 am EST

Steve Zipay Retweeted Newsday Sports Newsday Sports @NewsdaySports · 10h The #Rangers are a .500 team looking for so much more, writes @stevezipay (link: https://nwsdy.li/2zUU2YO) nwsdy.li/2zUU2YO

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 8:03 am EST

Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · Nov 18 AV disagreed on interference call on Buchnevich that led to decisive 3rd period PPG in 2-0 CBJ win. "Their guy (Jenner) ran into him."

Stevielegs


Sun Nov 19 2017 4:48 am EST

ColoradoMark, -- My pleasure! A Beer League buddy of mine just recently turned me on to the "Spittin' Chiclets" (Barstool Sports) podcast. Those guys crack-me-up, and the episodes featuring Rangers (Hayes, Yandle & St.Louis) are off-the-charts Funny!! If you love hockey, and you'd like to hear a different approach to the usual interview, check this podcast out... Informative, entertaining & totally hysterical!!

hipcheck


Sun Nov 19 2017 1:27 am EST

sshhh: don't tell Ivan

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 1:14 am EST

Best move by the Rangers was sending chytil to Hartford. Instead of sending him to Czech. Better move would be letting him stay a bit longer.

ColoradoMark


Sun Nov 19 2017 1:11 am EST

HIPCHECK- Thanks for the podcast rec! Spittin’ Chiclets is hilarious!

ColoradoMark


Sun Nov 19 2017 1:07 am EST

yeah, we'ld b a bunch of Putzki's!

Hospo


Sun Nov 19 2017 1:07 am EST

Anyone see SNL? Rangers skit was pretty funny. And our boy SKJEI got skewered for his name! Made me laugh.

ColoradoMark


Sun Nov 19 2017 12:35 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/rumors/article/rumor-roundup-penguins-lightning-looking-to-add-stars-shopping-spezza

mf


Sun Nov 19 2017 12:31 am EST

Hospo: We could have a lineup full of Bruno Sammartino's, if AV is director of the choir we're girls!

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 11:28 pm EST

Wow, rangers lost two in a row..but Les Habs really lost two in a row..Lot more rumors should be flying...SHAW???

Hospo


Sat Nov 18 2017 11:21 pm EST

TDCHI- I don't understand at all about the crow eating..From a personal standpoint, I said CHYTL didn't look ready to play a compete game in the NHL and needed time in Hartford where he could excel there and then come back up and maybe hlep the Rangers..Don't know about his defense, but looking like it was the right thimg to do...VIC - On Littieri, that came out much harsher than it was supposed to...You and MF are driving the Littieri bus constantly, just throwing some pot holes in the road....As for LIttieri, HATE commenting when not watching a game, but good to see him with another ES goal tonight and, more importantly, penalties fir fighting and slashing...We have enough damn choirboys! Maybe his time is near instead of the insignificant Boo..While CHYTLL, if ready, can make somebody else avaialable via trade

Hospo


Sat Nov 18 2017 11:19 pm EST

I'm kind of surprised that Michael Nylander is coming out of retirement. At age 45.

Rhet0ric


Sat Nov 18 2017 9:45 pm EST

McD for Nylander....

Rf4l


Sat Nov 18 2017 9:27 pm EST

TD...lolol...you got crow eating bibs to spare? You surely must have bought a bunch via discount prices...

Rf4l


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:56 pm EST

The nyr need guys that can light it up most of the time, not a bunch of inconsistent streaky players . They have to score at least 1 more than hanky gives up. The job of winning it all is not hanky’s responsibility alone .

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:46 pm EST

BTW - the other kid who is lighting it up: Vin LETTIERI. Goal and two apples. I, too, thought Vic was getting a bit overzealous about this guy. But...the dude is getting it done right now. Definitely would let him simmer down their more...ditto with Chytil. But I'm very happy to have both in the system.

tdchi


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:46 pm EST

RF4L: You asked about trading McDONAGH. I maybe look at this a little differently then some folks but at this point my list of guys that I wouldn't trade in the organization is: HANK, McDONAGH, SKJEI, SHATTENKIRK, MILLER, CHEETOS and the Russian goaltender. My list of guys I would be really hesitant to trade is: HAYES, ZBAD, FAST, GRABNER, BUCH, KREIDER, VESEY, LETTIERI, PIONK and DAY. For me to trade anyone in that group it would have to be because the return is bringing back an Elite #1 Center. Every one of those guys in that group brings something that the Rangers can ill afford to lose so it would have to be a special deal to send them away. As for the rest of the organization....I'm all ears.

Vic


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:43 pm EST

Filip Chytil with 2 goals so far in tonight’s wolf Pack game

tonylats


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:42 pm EST

Filip CHYTIL returned to the Pack lineup tonight. Filip CHYTIL has two goals so far with time left in the second. Never was I more proud of being indignant about a kid who has superstar power. You guys who say he's not ready? Get your crow-eating bibs.

tdchi


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:33 pm EST

HOSPO: Not sure why the hostility regarding my mention of LETTIERI. I didn't say he is a superstar that should be playing with the Rangers right now. All I said is that he is the only one in the system that is in that same mold of ATKINSON in terms of being a guy who is super quick and relentless. The same kind of player that HAGS is/was. I don't even expect LETTIERI to play for the Rangers this year unless there is a major trade or injuries.

Vic


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:04 pm EST

Anthony Duclair, tossed aside by Nob for Life (and that move defended on here by some), hattrick today. SATHER SUCKS!

Rf4l


Sat Nov 18 2017 6:25 pm EST

mf- we can go through all the mental calesthenics we want but ultimately the entire kitnkaboodle depends of IF Henke is still capable of carrying this team because in the end no matter what changes we make to either the F or D, if Henke's lost a step, we going nowhere. In that case, neither Nash or MacD does is any good so get the best return and rebuild (hopefully with ScheisterRockin). Maybe we can even find someone who looks at Henke with Hasek tinted glasses and he waived his nmc. No that's a friggin rebuild

_Arc


Sat Nov 18 2017 6:09 pm EST

HOSPO—I think you make a good point. However, The is core group has proven over the past 5 years that they are not capable of getting it done. So management has started the process of breaking it up beginning with Stepan.

Bob


Sat Nov 18 2017 6:09 pm EST

HOSPO—I think you make a good point. However, The is core group has proven over the past 5 years that they are not capable of getting it done. So management has started the process of breaking it up beginning with Stepan.

Bob


Sat Nov 18 2017 5:47 pm EST

Hospo: IMWO your scenario is exactly why you dangle NASH and you continue to dangle NASH until there are fish in the slick....

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 5:35 pm EST

Do you guys look around the NHL and see the mediocrity and parity (except for TB right now) when deciding to quit on the season and trade off the best players? There's no need to rush a trade when you really don't know what you have (excluding armchair GMs)..Alot of this is coach related IMWO..But anyway...wait till Jan/Feb and see where this team is (imoroved by trade or not)and if it looks liek RF4L's PO bubble team or a one and doen team at best, by all means, trade MCD..But not just MCD, becasue if you deal him, you are taking a Giant step back for the next two years..so you might as well go whole hog and deal a hell of alot more (MZA, Nash,Desharnais, Smith, and a few more)..Personally, I hope they trade for present (and maybe future) help and see what happens..But, we'll see

Hospo


Sat Nov 18 2017 4:54 pm EST

OLA: Yeah they have the depth, but will Tort's roll 4 lines vs shortening the bench? It sure seems consistent that he has a mental block in that dept. where he'd rather stick to his guns and burn out his horses, at the expense of distributing the TOI Minutes throughout the regular season in preparation of the Playoffs to come... We Ranger fans have experienced his antics first hand, can someone kindly smack AV upside the head? We need some Team D and some grit, we have an excellent group to build upon.....

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 4:19 pm EST

MF- Yeah and the depth they have is ridiculous. Bobo is also sick right now.

Ola


Sat Nov 18 2017 3:32 pm EST

"A-bd-so-lu-ley"..... I doubt that the Rangers consider moving McDonagh at this point in time, but to add an element to that topic at hand, ADAM LARSSON landed NJ TAYLOR HALL…………….. ……….. Me thinks that trading McDonagh is akin to bringing in the heavy wrecking equipment when what this team needs is a tune-up……. Last night’s match-up proved ONCE AGAIN that “Rick Nash” will not “even flirt” with the physicality against a team that can, and does play physical, and that “”You can’t teach size,”” DESHARNAIS played every bit of a 5’7” game against a bigger & stronger opponent…Sorry, we already have one 5’7” player in ZUCC & he takes precedence …… “IMO” parts of last night’s contest reminded me of playoff hockey except there were way more low percentage “stretch passes” than I’d anticipate we’d see in critical playoff hockey……..… RICK NASH again proved that he IS NOT A FORCE to be reckoned with come PLAYOFF Hockey…. Do any of us here really need to watch “that movie” again? Not Me, I’ll pass thank you……….. A guy like VINNI LETTIERI (whose name comes up frequently because he is the only organically grown replacement we have in the system who is close) is inexpensive, happens to be a RHS, and has not experienced 3,4,5, life altering head shots like NASH has, so he is going to have a different approach to the game…. (Throw York a bone time) … York18 posted several time about “muscle memory,” I used to interpret that along with “reflexive movement” and in my CJA Opinion, I believe that it is “more than” heavily ingrained into Nash’s subconscious to avoid risk at all costs because it’s only a game and, “WINNING THE CUP IS NOT EVERYTHING TO HIM!!!” …I think that this is a valid analogy…… A younger guy does NOT have that attitude when they take the field or ice………... We remove NASH and there’s no more leaning on Nash to do any of the ““Appearance of heavy lifting!!!”” that there may be because I feel that there are guys who consciously or subconsciously lean on Nash to carry the team…NASH doesn’t do any heavy offensive lifting when the game is on the line…… …. Get Nash out of here and distribute any of that perceived weight-lifting on the rest of the club and I’d bet that the rest of the roster up their games and the team will be better for it…….. …… NEXT, as it relates to the current situation of the Rangers: “IF” you hockey-legends feel that NIEVES is fine, adequate, improving, or all and anything positive such that it Does Not Pay to try and replace him as our 4th line center, then let’s look at DESHARNAIS… Desharnais served the purpose of “stopping the bleeding” by filling a center position, but in actuality he’s not even a 13th depth forward for emergency on this roster because if we were to land a Tyler Bozak kind of guy we already have JT Miller to fill in for an injury to a Center and/so there are probably better options out there for a WING as the 13th forward……. Back to the top: There are pro’s and con’s to replacing NASH but the uncertainties and potential negative consequences are way lower than replacing a guy like McDonagh…….. NASH and DESHARNAIS gone are HUGE moves to reshape this roster, and will be impactful for quite some time….….. Next, The D: Form a consistent set of 3 defensive pairs and play what you have until something presents itself, Don’t Force The Trade…. IF Nash can return us a key Defenseman great, yeah we’re looking and listening, but at this point in the Rangers evolution, I want a high draft pick too……….

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 3:30 pm EST

It is believed that, "A-bd-so-lu-ley" was a term used by the great camel and livestock traders of biblical times upon the consummation of a trade.......... Did someone say, "Trade?" ......

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 2:25 pm EST

The Password is: "Abdsoluley" ... Origin: Somewhere near the fertile crescent

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 2:05 pm EST

Ola: it surely appears that the CBJ Brass saw that they need to add offense to counter balance Tort's heavily leaning defensive approach to the game. This years CBJ's are not the CBJ's of yesteryear & "IF" they find their timing, I think they can go very far in the playoffs.... Too Bad the NYR Brass can't-won't-hasn't counter balances AV's predominantly offensive approach to the game with a Team Defense some of us here have been clamoring for, we'd go deep in the playoffs too... (jmon) https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/blackhawks-acquire-saad-forsberg-from-columbus-for-panarin-motte/c-290083264

mf


Sat Nov 18 2017 12:33 pm EST

Yep and 3 years into the new McD contract the Rangers will be looking at ways to get from under it. So clear to me.

Rf4l


Sat Nov 18 2017 11:53 am EST

Yandle landed the Yotes top prospect, first rounder, second rounder and top-6 defenseman/young player. They also gave up an AHL lifer and a fourth rounder. If McD is on the table...and I don’t for one minute believe he is...he will land the Rangers AT LEAST that haul. I know a few of you though I was a little over the top in what I’d ask for from the Leafs...but think about it this way: McD is under contract for $4.7 for another season. He is easy for a team to fit under the cap. And he’d make a good NHL team/cup contender a cup favorite. If what Bob says is true...and I have no reason to believe it isn’t...and the Rangers haven’t strung together any consistency, then I think trading McD would be a wise move. I’d hate to lose him, but he’d bring in a haul. But unless the Rangers are going to go into a full rebuild, I simply don’t see them trading him. And in truth, I think they’ll resign him to a contract that no one around here will like.

tdchi


Sat Nov 18 2017 11:07 am EST

TDCHI - Abdsoluley, self-impressed, pretty boy play once again...And it's the coaches fault for not mandating they play differently or sit....Be nice if they could throw out an aggressive 4th line to get them back on track.......VIC - enough with this Littieri stuff, let him do something in Hartford first other than the PP....

Hospo


Sat Nov 18 2017 10:46 am EST

On last night: It was a hard-fought game, but I think the Rangers are falling again into their old habits of over-complicating their offensive game, rather than simply getting the puck on net. The worst offenders are the worst offenders always, which are HAYES and MILLER...Against a tender like BOBROVSKY, who is clearly hot and one of the best tenders in the game right now, you need to get shots. Lots of them. It's not that the Rangers didn't get shots or even scoring chances...they got plenty of them...but fact of the matter is, the team with more shots is normally the team that wins...especially when you have a goaltenders' duel like we did last night...but back to my original point...I see the overcomplication creeping back into the action...and I really think until this team strings together a month or two of solid, consistent play both defensively and offensively, they really need to keep their 5-on-5 game as basic as possible. Save the fancy business for the PP.

tdchi


Sat Nov 18 2017 10:16 am EST

Just to carry on a bit of the thread from yesterday, re: the STEPAN trade, my suspicion is that Gorton did it thinking one of three things would happen: First and foremost, that he'd be able to sign Alex KERFOOT. It's not only clear now that this kid was/is NHL-ready, but that he certainly has top-9 potential. I mean, I could understand why he'd think it's a forgone conclusion. When Kerfoot hit the open market, the Rangers had done almost nothing to fill Step's shoes, save for signing DESHARNAIS. And at the time, I don't think anyone was thinking that was a top-nine signing...He probably figured the Rangers could offer him the max and a roster spot and that he'd follow other college UFAs like HAYES and VESEY, the latter of whom played with Kerfoot. I suspect he also figured the Leafs would move BOZAK for a young defender and was probably working that angle as a plan B...and failing both of those, that the reports ANDERSSON was NHL-ready were accurate and that he could make the team at least in a bottom-line capacity...IMO, he was right in believing both HAYES and ZIBANAJED were ready to take a major step forward...And TBH, NIEVES has done a real good job covering fourth-line center. And I supposed Desharnais has done well as third line center, even though he's a step down from where they were last year with Hayes in that capacity...my overarching concern remains what happens if and when one of the top-two centers misses a game or two. Or worse.

tdchi


Sat Nov 18 2017 10:11 am EST

Vic...thx. curious...would you shop McD?

Rf4l


Sat Nov 18 2017 10:10 am EST

Two guys on Columbus impressed me last night. ATKINSON, of course, was one. They are a different team with him in the lineup. His speed, quickness and relentlessness are exactly what the Rangers are missing. No reason why KREIDER can't play that way. He just doesn't. No reason why a lot of Rangers can't play that way. They just don't. The only guy in the system that the Rangers have that plays that way is LETTIERI. I'm not saying that LETTIERI will be another ATKINSON.....just that he is a player in that same mold. The other guy that impressed me was DUBOIS. I know Columbus was hammered for taking him where they did at the top of the first round. But he is big, strong, skates well, and has definite top end skill. He make take more time to develop but he could end up being a real top Center in this league.

Vic


Sat Nov 18 2017 10:05 am EST

RF4L: McDONAGH did not get run. He was skating the puck up the left side of the ice near the boards. Usually he is fast enough to pull away from any pursuit and strong enough on his skates where he isn't going to get knocked around. Not this time. ANDERSSON was chasing him....caught him...and put a shoulder into McDONAGH taking him off his feet. He went awkwardly and hard into the boards. It was a clean hit. It wasn't late or high. Just a hockey play.

Vic


Sat Nov 18 2017 8:13 am EST

Pal: I think McD would fetch more than Yandle - he's a true top pairing d-man while Yandle isn't. That said, they'll be no Glen Sather to fleece. A first, a second, a prized prospect and a young defenseman...

rf4L


Sat Nov 18 2017 7:06 am EST

rf4L: last nights game just proved my point from Friday morning. No, I don’t believe they’re a contender. I didn’t include NASH & ZUCC because of the lack of depth up front. They have to stay somewhat competitive during the next four years with HENRIK,STAAL, SMITH & SHATTENKIRK. I’m fine with Dealing NASH & ZUCC also but they would have to be replaced so extending them just helps fill out the lineup. If MCDONOUGH goes at the deadline and we eat half his salary then it’s the same deal that we did to get YANDLE. if not at the deadline then at the draft in order to get another #1?

Pal17


Sat Nov 18 2017 5:17 am EST

I predicted after the winning streak ended, a 6 game losing streak. They are 1/3 of the way there . It’s almost a guarantee they will lose Wednesday the day before thanksgiving and Friday the day after. And this Sunday they get to face their nemesis from last years playoffs. Oh joy . So that could be 5 in a row , with the 6 th against Vancouver, for us optimists on the wall. Nice to see lindy Ruff getting more involved on the bench , but the other two wet blankets who take credit for wins and the pp and pk, have no problem blaming the players on the losses whether it’s verbal or not, it’s their mindset. So I have no problem blaming them.

Stevielegs


Sat Nov 18 2017 5:12 am EST

We played a really good game, but I hate the CBJ. They have underperformed tremendously year after year after year and now has an absolutely SICK depth on that roster. We are talking 14-15 forwards and 7-8 Ds who all can play really well, in good age and so forth.

Ola


Sat Nov 18 2017 1:23 am EST

WIOSA....I'm with you. Beyond frustrating with the talent on this roster....not sure were to pin the blame.

melvillefred


Sat Nov 18 2017 12:27 am EST

RF4L -The Rangers did not get manhandled or anything IMWO..but......CBJ played their game, the Rangers played the game they like to play but shouldn't--all finesse and perimeter play by the forwards.....It'a amazing how physically weak the Rangers are down the middle and in the slot/crease..Rears it's ugly head agasint some teams..They despratley need a player that goes to the net and causes shit,

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:42 pm EST

Did McD get run?

Rf4l


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:35 pm EST

Didn't see the game (glad for that) but reading all the comments...more of what's been plaging this team for over 2 years now. No surprise...

Rf4l


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:08 pm EST

BTW, AV delusional with "hard fought game" spiel...Yoi do know your goalie had to make 40 saves,right? And not a single Ranger went to the net?

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 10:46 pm EST

HOSPO: Yep, I agree on all counts.

Vic


Fri Nov 17 2017 10:40 pm EST

VIC - All part and parcel of the way AV and they too often like to play the game in low traffic areas away from the net/crease and looking for that pretty goal...When they keep it simple and straight forward, they are a better team and should make a trade to increase that part of their game............As for all the brain farts, yes, but the give-away by HAYES was inexcusable and killed the game..Needs to be better than that

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 10:33 pm EST

I'm not going to pick on anyone in particular as it was a team loss. There were definite brain farts with the puck from HAYES, KREIDER, MILLER, SHATTENKIRK and others. But offensively they generated basically no serious high quality scoring chances at even strength. Nothing that came at BOBO from point blank in the slot. Nobody there for rebounds. The Rangers were pretty much beaten to most lose pucks, lost most of the one on one battles and looked generally like the slower team.

Vic


Fri Nov 17 2017 10:29 pm EST

SMITH was fine tonight. If he had played like this from the start of the season he never would have been benched. As for the rest of the game....well....the better team won. HANK played a great game but you can't win when you don't score. As others have commented this was a TORTS game and the Rangers played right into it. I got really concerned when the Rangers had some early success with the stretch pass. I knew that as soon as that happened then would lose all semblance of the things that helped them be successful over this stretch. And sure enough they did. The Rangers spent the entire game trying to make 60 foot passes. Predictably Columbus was ready. Instead of attacking in units, getting the puck deep and working over the Columbus D they basically kept giving Columbus the puck with no forecheck pressure and allowed Columbus to come barreling back up the ice. Most of the game was played in the Rangers end with the Rangers chasing Columbus around. This is not a team I want to see the Rangers meet in the playoffs (assuming the Rangers can even make the playoffs).

Vic


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:58 pm EST

Did ZUCC play in the 2nd half of the game?

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:54 pm EST

I mentioned HAYES twice in a negative fashion below but I do like his game alot better this year..Uses his body alot more now and is playing a decent two-way game in spite of the bad turnover tonight...OTOH, ZBAD plays lip service to anything that requires physicality and defense..way too much of a finessse shooter for somebody with his size..And, as always, DESHARNAIS blows and NIEVES is just there and nithing else..Commit MILLER to CENTER or get one!!!

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:54 pm EST

Hospo: Not only do the Rangers play perimeter, as I said, "this game has Tort's stamp all over it." Tort's system is geared to push the opposition to the perimeter, the Rangers were happy to oblige.. Did anyone expect Rick Nash to charge into traffic? Kreider showed up with 3 minutes to play in regulation as did many of the Rangers.... AV still sucks ballz, and Rick Nash needs to go...

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:50 pm EST

Post Game: Steve Valiquette to Dave Maloney, from your Seat did you see the Stromboli?"

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:48 pm EST

Not a putrid game, but they deserved to lose...Unnecessary penalty by Buch and a really bad play by HAYES and that was all she wrote at 2-0....The Rangers as coached by AV too often jsut keep everything to the outside, still try to keep everything pretty, no crashing the net...no nastiness...That's what you need when your down..on the road..but the Rangers don't do that......KInda hard to do I guess when your most physical center is Kevin HAYES, who ony hits by accident ...Damn they could use a guy like AA or even SHAW if Monteal is selling...AV got way out-coached tonight as the Rangers were reduced to basically two lines and Grabner and Miller in the third..And another thing, when the AV shakes up the Rangers why the hell doesn't schmucko AV play MILLER up rather then always saddling him with waht is left over? Bugs the shit out of me.......On the bright side..great game by the KIng

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:40 pm EST

Wiosa: no they can not, BUTT on the brightside, only 2 Goals Against! woohoo

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:38 pm EST

Bubble team....

Rf4l


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:30 pm EST

They cant lose one game, pick themselves up and get right back in the game. NOooooooooo, they have to crawl back into a hole. Lord this team drives me crazy.

wiosa


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:24 pm EST

Going to puke that stromboli

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:15 pm EST

Tort's 2 - Frenchy 0

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:11 pm EST

What a bunch of Assholes

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:10 pm EST

Can't blame Hank on this game, he's kept them in it.. This game has Tort's stamp all over it.. AV you suck ballz!

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:55 pm EST

Steve Zipay Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 3h Asked AV to assess the first 20 games: "We're on the right track in the last 10 games... we've tightened up defensively, we're not there yet, but 5 on 5, the power play and penalty-kill are coming along.".... asses...

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:43 pm EST

Another defensive gem 32 sog given up in 2 periods ....so far ...

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:39 pm EST

Here is the missing ingredient.....if the Rangers are not playing a tough Hospo Western Conference style hockey.....they have zero shot

tradestar28


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:36 pm EST

Tradestar that's a big stromboli;>)

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:36 pm EST

Rangers suck, uninspired, is Kreampuff Kreider dressed... stromboli my ass! oh wait a minute

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:34 pm EST

Baaahhhhaaawwwaaahhh Hilarious

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:28 pm EST

put the stromboli in MF's tukus

tradestar28


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:22 pm EST

My lucky Ny Rangers homemsade stromboli just came out of our pizza oven (;-)

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:17 pm EST

Come on Rangers keep the pressure on

rangerlou


Fri Nov 17 2017 8:11 pm EST

how do that let that cuntXor nudge the Captain head first into the boards and just play like nuttin happened?

tradestar28


Fri Nov 17 2017 7:39 pm EST

How's Smith doing?

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 7:30 pm EST

Entertaining hockey game so far

E


Fri Nov 17 2017 7:15 pm EST

good movement on the PP

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 6:25 pm EST

CM: I too read somewhere that Detroit very much wanted Smith back if the numbers made sense. They were renting him out. It just seems he found a better home. Remains to be seen when/if he settles down and gets his roster spot back full time but I know that the New York Rangers want the slightly unhinged Smith who plays mean and likes to stir it up a little. And while he can hurt the team sometimes if he goes outside his envelope when he keeps it tight he's a good hockey player. Personally, I'd expect him to hit the ice with a degree of desperation in his game.

E


Fri Nov 17 2017 5:34 pm EST

Q: Does anyone here know if Smith played the "Left Hand Side" defense in Detroit? .... Also, Detroit's Defenseman Mike Green is a 32 y/o RHS UFA at seasons end, can anyone here shed some light on his strengths & weaknesses and whether he has enough in the tank to warrant a 2,3,4 year deal? t/y

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 4:21 pm EST

RF4L - Trading Stepan and ending up replacing him with DD are two different things...If you weren't gonna get a replacement for Stepan with his trade, you sure as hell needed to find one another way..Gorton failed to ..I don't give a shit about the Cap..There are ways to get things done if you take the right risks...But, like you said, on to tonight's game..

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:50 pm EST

Bob: IMO it makes less than zero sense to sign McD in 2 years to a $50,000,000+ contract. You're right in that he should seek what he can in terms of maximum dollars after taking one below market. Seeking that, however, will surely limit the number of teams in the mix, including I suspect, the Rangers.

rf4L


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:47 pm EST

TD: I was talking about the Rangers today. Stepan gone and replaced by DD. Of course they aren't the same player. Statistically however, so far this year they are. While I know you disagree, ridding the organization of his contract was IMO the right thing to do. Now onto tonight - once again with this club I've no idea what to expect.

rf4L


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:46 pm EST

VIC/NEWF: I don't think Detroit gave up on SMITH. The rumors were that SMITH would be traded and then resign with them in the off-season. They were not happy when he signed back with the Rangers. I think he will settle in and be a steady defensive D-man with a physical edge (qualities that we don't have a single other D-man in the organization). I think he has been guilty of trying to do to much and it has messed up his decision making. But I could say all the Rangers D-men (MCD especially) have also been that way. I also think everyone is different in the playoffs. Which is why Holden being okay so far is not making me less worried about his playoff performance (past or future).

ColoradoMark


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:36 pm EST

TD- all good points. The other issue is the same guy who stated the team’s Concern with Step has also stated that they don’t think they will be able to keep McD because they don’t think he is worth $8MM per for 6 or 8 years.......what he can and should command in the next contract. And if I were him, I would go and get it. He took a below market deal the last time. It is his chance to cash in and he should take it.

Bob


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:21 pm EST

NEWFIE: Agreed that Detroit wasn't too concerned with letting him go. What I had heard was there really wasn't much interest in resigning him so they decided to get what they could at the deadline. HOSPO: If this team was otherwise flying high then I would agree that you live with SMITH in the lineup and try to work him back into being a positive contributor. But, this team is still on the playoff bubble even after the winning streak. They don't have any margin for error. If they go on another nose dive for 10 games they are going to have a hard time making the playoffs. So as long as he doesn't hurt the team he gets a chance to get his game back. But if he is the OZO level disaster on skates that we saw from the start of the season to when he was taken out of the lineup then you send him down to Hartford and hope someone claims him and his contract. MF: I don't care how physical a guy plays if he can't actually play. And SMITH has been a disaster for the team when he is on the ice. You can't have that. KAMPFER won't win you any games but he wasn't losing games for the Rangers. SMITH was.....

Vic


Fri Nov 17 2017 3:11 pm EST

mf - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI4RvWvgulc

RF73


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:53 pm EST

VIC: Smith is paid $4.35 mill per, “IF” he’s not in shape, don’t cash the check……. Smith is more than capable of patrolling our defensive end of the ice and making opponents pay the price, but how difficult will it be for him to “seize the moment” when AV make’s him do it wearing a chastity belt? …….

mf


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:50 pm EST

VIC - All that matters is results, or how he plays..Like you, I hope the wake up call and benching has had the right effect and he comes out and plays at least like he has done his entire career....If he fails tonight, no problem being pissed with him but just like all the youth lovers wants kids to play and play no matter their errors when a team is rebuilding, the Rangers in this point and time gotta do all they can to get Smith back to normal (even if it's 3rd pair normal) even if that means playing him again after a bad or shakey return to the line-up because going forward with KAMPFER (who has earned his spot on the team) as a top 6 is not going to cut it....But, we won't know until tonight...

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:50 pm EST

Vic.........I'm with you on Smith......Det dont just give up on really good D-men.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:48 pm EST

Step v. Desharnais: If we're comparing them statistically, let's see where they are at the end of the season. But as players? No comparison. Two totally different style of players.

tdchi


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:42 pm EST

Apologies Bob. I misinterpreted the tail end of your post. Certainly, we disagree, re: STEPAN. I just wanted to hear your side. And if in truth there was a consensus somewhere in the organization that his game was, is or is about to slip, then certainly the deal and its timing make a hell of a lot more sense to me...I don't really get making that assessment on a guy that young who plays the game Step does...I would think the guy's game wouldn't waver much over the course of two and three years...I could see making that call on a guy at 30, when age and wear start to really add up...But at 27? I really don't understand how an organization sours on a guy that quickly. Or how abruptly that decision comes. My only point with Stepan is that if they were going to trade him, then why not after the Pittsburgh series? And if they wanted to shake things up in the middle...why not trade Stepan instead of BRASSARD? Or why not trade them both? Sure, I loved Step as a player and was disappointed to see him moved. But what burns me about the trade is not that it was made, but when it was made and the question marks that were exchanged in return for a player that really was a model of consistency with the Rangers. Even in his longest scoring slump, the guy was playing good hockey.

tdchi


Fri Nov 17 2017 2:35 pm EST

So, here is a question for the Wall to ponder.... Since we know SMITH will be back in tonight I was wondering what the collective response of the Wall was going to be when he "Shits the bed" tonight and is responsible for a some horrible turnovers, poor coverages and a few goals against??? Will the response be something like..."Well, what did you expect? The guy hasn't played in two or three weeks!".....or will the response be something like..."Hey, you need to step up and seize the chances that you get. Just like any kid who is out of the lineup for stretches of time he is still expected to perform at an acceptable level when he gets a chance to get back in the lineup."......My guess is that it will be a little of both around here. Personally, I fall in the second group. He is a veteran and knows what is expected of him. He better come out and play well tonight, although I'm expecting the opposite. Right now I'm leaning toward the SMITH we saw in the playoffs as being the aberration. And that while he may still bring that "over the edge" physicality in the future he isn't ever going to play to an acceptable level with respect to his play in his own end.

Vic


Fri Nov 17 2017 1:18 pm EST

To me, a comparison between Stepon and Desharnais is meaningless......All that matters to me is that in JUly, the Rangers had a big hole at center and how does Gorton fill it? with some sawed off little runt who just skates around the outside in circles..and who's s friggin game doesn't seem to fit with anybody on the Rangers right now....As a Black Ace/4th liner, no problem....and maybe they can get by the next few months with all the non-contact games the Rangers seem to play, but they will be up shit's creek come Feb/March/Pos if he's still on the top three lines...

Hospo


Fri Nov 17 2017 12:16 pm EST

Desharnais has 8 points in 19 games. Step has 9 in 21. Both are on pace for around 40 points if their performances continue. Each has strengths and weaknesses and I am not in love with DD at all. In fact, I did not like that signing becuause I did not trust AV to use him properly. But he counts 1/6 of what Stepan counts against the cap and the Rangers also have 2 decent prospects as well.

Bob


Fri Nov 17 2017 12:11 pm EST

Stepan fetchit was a good 2 way center , almost a don Maloney along the boards. He wasn’t a great skater or faceoff guy . A good home grown nyr misguided by his agent, and the gm agreed to a contract that came back to bite him because of many of the contracts that were on the books . He was a victim of the cap and whatever else pushed management to decide he needed to be moved. If he was playing with a $4 mil contract without a ntc he’d probably still be a Nyr.

Stevielegs


Fri Nov 17 2017 12:10 pm EST

TD—I did not take an intentional swipe at you. Sorry you perceived my comments as that. I ONLY take swipes at Jacob Trouba stuff up here. I am glad you watched 70 games. Probably 10 more than I saw as I travel a lot internationally. I read from a few people in the know (one very close to management)that they were very concerned about what they saw, and did not see from Stepan last season. I thought that he looked slower than ever and that his performance, and confidence in the offensive zone had deteriorated. I had no gripe with his heart or effort. I think RF4L first wrote this, but I think he got traded because of the contract and NMC, and that the Rangers feared that his production would drop and they would be powerless to do anything about it. I also think that the meager return they got speaks of what the rest of the league thought of him. This is my opinion, not saying I am right. I really don’t like to engage in debate over opinions here, but I did not want you to think that I was avoiding your post. It appears we disagree. What I don’t know is what impact his screaming “calm down”at Henrik for all to see had on his Rangers tenure. Henrik has never been above throwing teammates under buses, from what I have read.

Bob


Fri Nov 17 2017 12:01 pm EST

RF4L - Sorry, but comparing those two is just ridiculous. They have nothing in common, other than both being centers. Step better defensively. Desharnais better at faceoffs. Step is consistent. Desharnais is wildly inconsistent. Step plays a physical game. Desharnais is more finesse. Step is bigger. I guess you could argue they are both puck distributers, but even that is pretty weak...so now that you're jumping aboard, what, exactly, do you see in saying they're the same player?

tdchi


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:58 am EST

On a related, unrelated side-note, I see Lias ANDERSSON is picking up his game after a very slow start in SEL. My hope is two-fold...that the Rangers were as savvy with picking him at seven because they recognized he was better than his forecast; and that he was, in fact, why STEPAN was deemed expendable.

tdchi


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:47 am EST

Rhet: Hard to argue against that, given their cups with Forsberg helping lead the way. For me the biggest issue with Lindros ended up being his inability to stay healthy, especially his well-chronicled issue with concussions. AFAIK, he was healthy prior to being drafted so it's tough to criticize the Flyers (and the Rangers for that matter) for that acquisition. Yes, plenty was given up but Lindros was a beast his first 4 seasons as a Flyer and even when the injuries started he managed in 52 games to score 32 goals and 79 points then led the Flyers to the cup finals. And even when he started to get hurt he still was productive on the ice, just not as fearsome. I suspect if he'd stayed healthy, the Flyers would have captured a cup or 2. Of course, in the end that's not what happened so indeed, the Aves won the trade. It's interesting to ponder what would have happened if the arbitrator had awarded the Rangers the Lindros win. Messier and Lindros as the number 1 and 2 centres? Leetch, Graves and Richter, plus Beukaboom, et all? Yikes....

rf4L


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:37 am EST

Stepan isn't a quick skater - never was. Another reason I suspect he was jettisoned. Stepan's forte (or at least what he is most recognized for) is his 2-way ability. Good thing, too, because if he didn't pay attention defensively, he'd indeed be Day-R-Nay II, who makes less than 1/6 of what Stepan does and can be sent to the minors if/when Gorton addresses the gap at center for the Rangers.

rf4L


Fri Nov 17 2017 11:29 am EST

Bob - I asked you a simple question: Can you qualify why you think STEPAN is a "defensive center" and essentially the same thing as DESHARNAIS. I don't need to tell you that I disagree with you...or what I really think of your stance. I was maybe thinking you'd explain your position instead of taking a little swipe at me...but alas. What good is discourse anyway...Step 'lost a step?' How? At 27? Are you saying his skating got slower? Did his hands go? What part of his game was slowing down? I mean, I'm no expert, but I didn't see it. Watched him in 70-plus games last year and he seemed like the same player he's been since his rookie season. Seemed to be clutching his stick a bit hard during his scoring drought. He also wasn't any different statistically. Actually, his possession metrics --and I'm not a big fan of them --were better last season(and this season for that matter) than they were the prior two years. So what is it? Or rather was it? Just a feeling you had?

tdchi


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:49 am EST

Lias Andersson is playing on a line with some bum named Lundqvist... and No, I don't want t sign Joel.... Per Alex Nunn‏ @aj_ranger ...... Lias Andersson (#NYR) fourth among U20 SHL scorers so far this season. Has all of his points through last 10 games and sits second behind just Elias Pettersson in terms of PPG.

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:11 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... No a.m. skate here in C-bus today, but AV, unhappy with many forwards in Chicago, already sent message: Effort, execution priorities tonight

Rhet0ric


Fri Nov 17 2017 9:00 am EST

BTW, the Nordiques/Avalanche were reaping the benefits of the Eric Lindros trade for years. Looking back at it now, I think you'd have to say that they won that trade.... http://nhlnumbers.com/2016/6/28/the-end-of-the-eric-lindros-trade-chain

Rhet0ric


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