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Thu Jun 22 2017 9:11 am EST

TDCHI - Stop making things up...WHo said he was not going to get a chance? Hell, even the worthless Hrvik will get a chance...AGAIN....And who said that he would spend the year in the AHL? Not me...I said his performance to date has sucked, the Rangers shouldn't count on him, and he has alot to prove before he should become an NHLer..Love to see him get that done in Oct, Nov or even January, but not holding my breath

Hospo


Thu Jun 22 2017 9:08 am EST

TD: Could be the Showers want to suck so they can draft high next year. History has shown that expansion teams who are relatively competitive early on end up paying the price long term because of missing out on drafting in the top 5. There is zero chance of the Showers, regardless of who they could have selected, doing anything in POs next spring so what's the point? If the location is so tenuous that being reasonably competitive early on means the difference between success and failure overall as a franchise, then that market should never have been considered in the first place. If I was the GM, my number one priority would be getting as many picks as possible and the higher those picks are the better. Yes nothing is guaranteed and yes you still have to draft and develop properly, but like it or not, it's the most effective way of building a team. I'm not going to spend the time analyzing every move (or non-move) but generally speaking to me, McPhee appears to be doing the right thing. We'll see how it plays out of course. There are plenty of examples I know where drafting high and often for a few years results in endless spinning (Arizona, Islanders, etc) but there are some fine examples where it clearly worked (Chicago, Pittsburgh, etc). If McPhee hasn't spent time and money on a strong scouting staff then indeed, he's an idiot.

rf4l


Thu Jun 22 2017 8:10 am EST

I'll believe a big shakeup type trade when I see it. I don't think Gorther and any other GM they would have to deal with has the balls. Prove me wrong. ..

NYStranger


Thu Jun 22 2017 8:02 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/06/22/vegas-takes-advantage-of-nhl-expansion-draft/

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:53 am EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie now11 seconds ago More ARI seems to be active on a number of fronts. Believed to be talking to NYR pre freeze, interested to see if that (Stepan?) picks up again.

RDW


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:52 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/06/21/oscar-lindberg-is-the-price-rangers-pay-to-vegas/

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:51 am EST

Rhet0ric: I posted similar yesterday. Dont look for anything to happen. After all ...The Garden will be sold out anyway and they can finish 9 games over with 8 OTL and make the playoffs and get first round gate. Makes me sick

shonuff


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:48 am EST

SUMMA OF GARTH ?????? @notbrockbottom · 15h James Neal will be flipped to the Islanders #sources #insider #summersnow 1 1 9 ? @WashedUpTendy · 16h Jori Lehtera and Jordan Schmaltz to Arizona for a 3rd round pick. You heard it here first. #insider #sources

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:45 am EST

CapFriendly @CapFriendly · 24m Interesting side note about the newly minted #Vegas roster. Of their 31 contracts, 19 expire at the end of next season (10 UFA, 9 RFA) 3 20 53 CapFriendly @CapFriendly · 10m Add to that #Vegas currently holds 28 draft picks over the next 3 years (14 in the first 3 RDs) puts them in a good position moving forward.

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:39 am EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie There are several serious suitors for Eberle, including the NYI. EDM appears to have offer(s) close to acceptable, still mulling options. 8:29 AM · Jun 22, 2017

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:39 am EST

Bruins' Colin MILLER is on the market...Would love the Rangers to grab him. Guy has a monster shot and is RHS...also word that LV is trading Van RIEMSDYK to the Canes, which means they'll likely be moving FAULK.

tdchi


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:38 am EST

Rhet0ric - yeah I almost posted something about it...then looking at the thread, it's pretty clear the guy from Frolunda, who is a hockey insider, was trolling Ranger fans. I don't think a team asking for the Rangers' first rounder is a deal breaker...but they'd have to get back something significant...or at least a second and or third.

tdchi


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:07 am EST

I missed this yesterday, I guess we find out today if there is any truth to it..... Per Petter @numerartovertag.... #Sources say #Vegas have acquired #NYR 1st round pick.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:04 am EST

Rhet0ric - Stranger things have happened...but I think Brooks was talking from his cornhole. Gorton has what he needs to get TROUBA...and could probably do it in a one-for-one swap: Offer SKJEI. Boom. Done. I know that's not a popular idea here or likely in the Rangers' front office...but the Jets desperately want a top pairing LHS D. And...well...the Rangers have a preponderance of them...if they want Trouba, they can get him without doing some BS three-step move...Only real reason to do a three-way deal is if the player you want is owned by a GM who doesn't want to trade him to you.

tdchi


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:02 am EST

It's now 8:01 AM and the NYR have done nothing. Typical.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:00 am EST

Said it before the full roster was released yesterday and I'll say it again as the roster freeze is about to expire: George McPHEE is one of the worst GMs in modern history. Maybe even as bad as Mike Millbury...Buttman gave him a golden opportunity to draft a competitive team...one, perhaps, that could even make the playoffs...he drafted trash. LV will be every bit as bad as the worst of the expansion teams...I look at this Vegas team and how McPheebury loaded up on picks...during one of the weakest drafts in the past 20 years...They could have had a defense featuring VATANAN, DUMBA, DeHAAN, BOGOSIAN and ENSTROM...instead, they have a pile of garbage with Shea THEODORE. They could have picked a real goaltending tandem...instead, they got the wilted flower, a waiver wire pickup and a guy who backstopped the worst team in the league...and their forwards...man...There aren't more than three guys I'd consider top-line players on a good day...their lineup is literally filled with waiver wire pickups and has-been prospects. Ironically, Lindberg is, as we speak, in their top six...That team is going to lose something fierce. Don't know how anyone can be excited about that franchise. McPhee took what was a total and unequivocal advantage...probably the biggest advantage the NHL has given a team since awarding CROSBY to the Pens...and he squandered it. Mercilessly. Now I hear he's trying to trade all the picks he acquired to move into the top two at the draft...what a fucking boob.

tdchi


Thu Jun 22 2017 7:00 am EST

Should have been... "Im not sure how weakening us at one position to make us better at another makes us a better team"

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 22 2017 6:54 am EST

The NHL Trade Freeze lifts this morning at 8 AM. The NYR were hot and heavy with Arizona before the Expansion Draft, I hope they see a better fit than I do. Maybe like Brooks said,. they pick up the pieces to flip for Trouba. I'm not sure how weakening us at one position makes us better at another, but I'm trying to keep an open mind. Finger crossed for whatever deal we pull the trigger on.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 22 2017 6:41 am EST

Sigh...yes...my opinion. Of course. But if you're saying that they're not going to give NIEVES a chance to grab the fourth line center position and that he's destined to spend the year in the AHL, I can't stress this opinion any harder: You're wrong. I would say either he and/or HRIVIK...if he's resigned...have the inside track. They're not going to qualify PIRRI and they're certainly not going to make MILLER their fourth-line center...there's a chance they get one in deal...also a chance they sign one. The UFA pool is FILLED with fourth line pivots...But to say they aren't looking at Nieves as part of the solution to LINDBERG'S departure is looking at the giant smoke column over the building and denying there's a fire.

tdchi


Thu Jun 22 2017 4:58 am EST

Goalies rarely have high value in trades but I'm not sure why that is. I'm glad antii is still here until the nyr have an alternative. If anyone thinks fishboy is not going after Captain Kirk, you're probably mistaken. He tried to trade for him at the deadline. The guy wants to play here. It's a marriage made on broadway. More than likely that's part of the reason girardi was bought out. The nyr need a ppqb d man and a bounty picker upper center to replace vanilla charmin. Even though ass vipe is a charmin liker. I just hope fishboy told his coach he wants the nyr that played against the habnots in the playoffs.

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 22 2017 4:48 am EST

LV wasn't oboy picking for players to move. They also HAD to draft a certain number of each position. F,D and G. So if Lindberg was better than any F from the other teams they got a G from then why would they take a lesser guy when Lindberg is actually a good player to put on a roster? I have a feeling the only players they took in order to move were those that they had deals in place just for that purpose. We have little to no idea of the value Raanta has. Also he just had a really good season, in a goalie starved league I would bet he is worth much more than a 3rd.....much more.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 22 2017 3:00 am EST

Wild, if Raanta had a high value, LV would have picked him and then swap him for an asset. Instead, his price is probably more on the 3rd round range, which is why they picked Lindberg instead.

andrei


Thu Jun 22 2017 2:09 am EST

andrei: what makes you say Raantas value isn't high? I'm just wondering because nothing has really set he price for a guy like him this summer....so what makes you say that?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 22 2017 12:37 am EST

I know that Sather and Dollan get a well deserved bad rap. Imagine, if Snow was our GM and ownership was same as what Iceholes have. For the team that won only ONE round of playoffs in 20+ years, and team that missed a playoffs last season despite having a real superstar, they sure really fucked things up by paying a 1st and a 2nd rounder to LV for taking one of the shitty players and pass on another shitty player.... On another note, you can now see what Raanta's value in the league is. Unfortunately, it is not very high.. Forget packaging Raanta with Stepan. Just get Stepan out and get good value back...

andrei


Thu Jun 22 2017 12:05 am EST

...In your opinion he's wrong.....The Rangers may think highly of him, and that's good, but he showed zilch in Hartford last year after dominating 16 year olds in Traverse City,,...Injury excuses or not, he was a zero for most of the year in the AHL...while there is no harm in letting Nieves fight for a position, the past shows he has a hell of alot to prove before being an NHL player..I wouldn't count on him..and I hope to God the Rangers aren't

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:42 pm EST

melvillefred: Wrong. In fact, NIEVES was one of the last cuts out of camp, had a very strong showing at Traverse City and for the Wolfpack down the stretch in 2016. You may not believe it, but the Rangers think the world of this kid. He's got a very good all-around game and most importantly, has the wheels AV seems to crave. I don't think he's as good as LINDBERG now and may never get to that level...but he's a very good prospect. His season last year was hampered by nagging injuries that kept him out of nearly half Hartford's games...unless the Rangers chase a UFA, he'll be in the running for fourth-line center for sure.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:23 pm EST

I recognize that tai-ping :->)

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:34 pm EST

"better at FO"

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:24 pm EST

RHET - Hey, if he wants to be our 4th C, I'll gladly take him...but not sure we would need him (or hev would come here) if we pick up a TOP 9 center (dealing STep) who is bigger, stronger and better at ..We'll know soon enough

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:24 pm EST

RHET - Hey, if he wants to be our 4th C, I'll gladly take him...but not sure we would need him (or hev would come here) if we pick up a TOP 9 center (dealing STep) who is bigger, stronger and better at ..We'll know soon enough

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:19 pm EST

Boo.....he wasn't even in the conversation this year. Certainly didn't distinguish himself in Hartford....him making the squad next year is a stretch.

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:16 pm EST

Hospo.... Boyle played on the 4th Line in Toronto and he's still open to re-signing with them, so there's really no reason why he can't be our 4th line center. At 32, he doesn't have the options he once did.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:07 pm EST

RF4L: I think the Rangers give him a chance, Nieves bat is, but I think they also bring in a vet that can play the 4th line in case he is t ready or capable as insurance. Also depends on other moves made. We may still see Step moved, and in that deal to another may see at least one C come back. So much still to happen this offseason, and it's only a guess how much the Rangers will be involved.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:05 pm EST

MF _ So do I, I just don't think Capt Kirk gives us the best chance to "compete".Spend the money and assets elsewhere..JMWO

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:02 pm EST

Boo Nieves needs to become a good AHL player before any thoughts should be given to him as a Ranger..That hasn't happened yet....Why a 4th C will likely come from outside the organization

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:00 pm EST

Boo Nieves replaces Lindberg?

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:59 pm EST

Shattenkirk: Now is not yet the time to sign him, we have to get through the next few days & Entry draft.... Unless we're landing TROUBA or DUMBA, I really don't care that it "may" turn out to be a bad contract somewhere down the road, I want the best shot at winning the cup...Even if we land one of them I'd want Shattenkirk, all the while focusing on squeezing Marc Staal to agree to trade...... There are some young very talented & deep teams on the upswing we need to compete....

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:59 pm EST

RHET - Not sure...A UFA?...A tradee? Slim chance of Nieves?? Didn't Boyle leave NYR becasue he wanted more ice time/3rd line duties? The Rangers, if they want to win the CUp, aren't that team....I'd take him as a 4th C but would he? and would it be the right choice economically?

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:55 pm EST

Hospo.... Who replaces Lindberg?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:55 pm EST

Trade: LOLOL...yourself included of course?! LOLOL

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:53 pm EST

Hospo....lest I forget Anderson....OMG.....just really great stuff and I'm glad to see the support and recognition.

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:50 pm EST

I don't want Boyle back....at best a 4th line C......what would be the point of re-signing him.

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:50 pm EST

mf: One man's doom and gloom is another man's voice of reason...here's something from the latter: Stay away from Shittenkirk - another bad contract well before it's over.

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:42 pm EST

No need for BOYLE if you deal STEP and get a more physical 2-way center back in the same or different trade....Not that I would mind BOYLE at all..

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:39 pm EST

I'm guessing we sign Brian Boyle when UFA season opens, no?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:28 pm EST

The Golden Knights are going to suck as assembled. They had better have some deals in the works.

Bob


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:22 pm EST

I'm thinking Stepan and Raanta are dealt tomorrow.

evets1980


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:21 pm EST

FRED - Yeah, great stuff about BICKEL and ANDERSON

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:21 pm EST

That's one crappy team (LV)...almost as crappy as the "comedien" ...WHo the hell is that?

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:20 pm EST

I'm just recovering from the Bickel segment......Jaayyzuss

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:19 pm EST

FRED - I was for moving MILLER back to center last off season but don't think the Rangers see it..There's nobody in Hartford, that's for sure..

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:15 pm EST

Well....I was hoping it would be Rannta not Lindberg......so when we unload Stepan do we put Miller back at C?

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:15 pm EST

$6.5M Charmin

tradestar28


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:10 pm EST

TRADE - I think you misunderstood my post...I said LINDBERGER is replaceable BUT given the weakness down the middle in the top three lines that is already there..and the lack of ready centers in the AHL..it impacts the Rangers a little...I think they will have to go UFA..As fo STEP, yes, I think either he or HATES shud be dealt but ANTHER good but diffetrent center has to come back in a trade..If not, you don't do it..and just gon another year without a cup..

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:06 pm EST

And the worst part is all of us meatheads will still be back....still bitching about the $6M Charmin as the team spokeswoman talks about the quicksand he is in while he once again goes an entire season without throwing a check or winning an important face off....

fotiu22


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:06 pm EST

Hospo....if u think that Lindberg leaving put a huge hole in the NY Rangers up the middle......then what would happen if Step gets traded? BTW.....Shatty Daddy is 100% gonna be a NY Ranger

tradestar28


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:02 pm EST

Fotiu - I hope to God not...Lipstick on a pig..we'll see..plenty of time

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:54 pm EST

As I said on the Wall on the night we were eliminated....the team will only make cosmetic changes just like last year. Will make the playoffs but won't come close to the Cup. Rinse, lather, repeat.

fotiu22


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:53 pm EST

Haven't done this in awhile but SCREW SHATTENKIRK!!!! It will be a move the Rangerts regret for years..Better offspending money elsewhere........As for the Expanison Draft, I think it was TDCHI that summed up the roster correctly--a trash barge..But, the question is what are the deals that LV made to not pick the other players they left alone............With no rumor of a deal between LV and the Rangers, surprised that Raanta was not picked compared to the ones (PICKARD) that were.....I like LINBERGER, sorry to see him go..but he will easily be replaced..HOWEVER..given the three lightweights the Rangers have at C right now and the question mark that Boo Nieves still is...C remains a big, no HUGE, issue with the Rangers..

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:49 pm EST

Talkerella wins jack Adams... ass vipe wins jack off ...

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:34 pm EST

If we add Shattenkirk to the Defensive unit and look as the unit as a whole, we're damn scary.... Most here liked what the saw in Brendan Smith and how he influenced our other defensemen; well you get that component in Shattenkirk too, and the physicality influence rubs off exponentially..... McDonagh / Shattenkirk / smith / Skjei / Staal / Holden / Pionk / Zborovskiy / Kamfer not too shabby .............

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:16 pm EST

HOSPO: I agree it's time to give Skjei the full load of what his job is going to be as a top end Dman. At the same time I think last years was handled as well as you could ask. He was given more and more to do and had more added to his plate as the season went on but was still protected at times to let him grow in confidence. It worked and by the playoffs he was a better player than the halfway mark an IMHO far and away better than game 1 of the season. Now it is time to see what he has really got, let him lose and use him like he looks to be able to handle. Worst case is you have to pul back a bit...but need to just let him go.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:16 pm EST

Free Agent Goaltenders: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/freeagents.php?team=all&type=UFA&year=2017&pos=G

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:13 pm EST

Now-then: Do we have a goalie in the system that can backstop Hank as well as Uncle Aanti Raanta? Is there a free agent goalie that can be had that can backstop Hank as good as Uncle Aanti Raanta? ..... WHY? Because then we can turn Uncle Aanti Raanta into a trade Chip and just go out and sign a UFA goaltender, it cost nothing but Dolanopoly Money................ Vancouver has Jacob Markstrom & Ryan Miller (UFA) do they have an interest in AANTI RAANTA? I have interest in Bo Horvat & their #5 .......... The AV's have VARLAMOV & backup Calvin Pickard (WildCard / CMark) would the AV's have an interest in AANTI RAANTA??? Nathan Mackinnon & their #4 pick sure look good......... The Jets need a backstop, Dallas has 2 backups at $4.5mill and 5.9mill respectfully... Raanta for one of those two beauties, their #3 pick, along with Dallas eating some salary??? Philthy has the #2 pick and needs a goalie......

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:01 pm EST

When things started getting intense and physical against Montreal, Lindberg answered the bell and played with a hard edge, finishing every check shift-after-shift. Very discouraging to see him go for nothing in return, but I don't blame Gorton, just the cost of doing business this particular year. I bet Lindberg takes another developmental step forward and becomes a regular 3rd line center.

hipcheck


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:54 pm EST

RF: NYStranger's venting can't hold a candle to your Doom & Gloom

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:53 pm EST

If any more than a quarter of these rejects are on the LV roster in three years, then we can say McPhee has failed. He's gonna have about 172 draft picks over that stretch and unless he Jessimans or McIlraths all of 'em, he's gonna get some actual talent.

Nick


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:32 pm EST

soft, softer, softest.......lol.......sounds like Saturday night at the Wallsters bedrooms

tradestar28


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:31 pm EST

E - The Wild are giving LV Alex TUCH, a former first rounder and a beast of a prospect. Minny paid dearly to protect DUMBA.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:57 pm EST

Ola: so you think that you would trade a first for Lindberg? Because LV seems to have wanted 1st rounders to protect guys....

Wildcard


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:42 pm EST

I find it interesting that LV passed on Dumba. There has to be some kind of a deal in there.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:41 pm EST

I don't think Gorton wants to part with Raanta at all. I think he sees him as the safety valve for Lundqvist. Lundqvist is going to have to get more spells.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:07 pm EST

Ola vanilla brothers stepan and quickie

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:59 pm EST

ola: 'Vanilla pet Stepan'. LOL...the wall's in fine form tonight. LOLOLOL...

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:55 pm EST

stevie: Trade freeze ends tomorrow at 8AM EDT. Should be tonight but Buttman is paranoid it'll take the spotlight off something very few give a crap about in the first place - NHL awards.

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:54 pm EST

NYStranger: LOLOLOL...your pessimism is empowering! LOLOLOL...love it.

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:51 pm EST

So Georgie boy did some extortion, and is patting himself on the back . Wonder if buttman will close that loophole on the next expansion team. When do the teams start trading again, tonight or tomorrow? ... fishboy is in the hot seat . Cutting girardi and losing cheesy is no cigar . Hard to trade stepan now unless he can get a center. Stepan fetchit is probably dancing in his quicksand right now, with his jaws flapping... calm down calm down.....

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:49 pm EST

Hate losing Lindberg...Loved his passion...My favorite center on the team....Oh well we still have soft,softer and softest at the position...

PJ


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:36 pm EST

So AV will get to keep his favorite vanilla pet Stepan because Gorts traded away all his picks at the deadline -- two years in a row -- for worthless rentals in Staal and Smith so that we couldn't deal with Vegas? What else is new in Rangerland? Pretty sicking to be honest...

Ola


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:33 pm EST

And where the hell did the rest of my post disappear to? LOL. Wasn't that important!!

NYStranger


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:31 pm EST

Soooo.... the BIG question is: Which team wins the Stanley Cup first- Rangers or the Golden Showers? When does Gorther throw a ton of money at Shittenkirk? When do we waste another 1st rounder on the next Jessiman? When is the next Lunqvist/MacEnroe concert?

NYStranger


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:27 pm EST

TD: Well if that's true (and I read something along those lines yesterday myself) all it did was postpone things, vs put an end to them. We'll see soon enough. And dunno about you but I'm actually looking forward to Friday's draft - for the first time in FIVE FREAKIN' YEARS, the Rangers will actually doing something on opening draft night. Woohoo...

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:25 pm EST

Well, it's all about Cristoval "Boo" Nieves now. Work your ass off kid, 4th line center on Broadway is wide open BABY!!

hipcheck


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:20 pm EST

stevielegs - Too early to tell, but my read of the tea leaves is that it'll likely be someone from Hartford. And were I to guess, I'd say NIEVES. There's a chance HRIVIK gets that call...I don't see them moving MILLER down there...and there's always a chance they use free agency...I'd love to have Brian BOYLE back here.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:15 pm EST

Well...if you're wondering why the trade market wasn't crazy before the freeze, here's your explanation: McPHEE through a big 'ol bucket of ice water on it: The NHL issued a three-page document with bylaws to the Expansion Draft but it was a rule instituted by Vegas Golden Knights GM George McPhee which had dramatic and surprising impact. McPhee and assistant GM Kelly McCrimmon believed from the onset of their expansion quest that the other 30 NHL teams could prevent Vegas from achieving its goals by trading amongst themselves. A "massive redistribution of talent," was how McPhee described the wrinkle he worried most about when making his plans. The Golden Knights hockey operations staff decided they needed to get in front of such a possibility. To clog the market and make sure they controlled the process. They got on the phone early and let GMs around the NHL know they were open to deals. The caveat, however, was once a team had agreed to a deal, Vegas told them they couldn't make other trades which would affect the expansion draft. McPhee and McCrimmon worked to close their deals and once an agreement was set - they informed their trade partner of the condition attached to the agreement. Deal with Vegas and no one else was the arrangement. And it took hold and deflated the market. Read more here: https://www.nhl.com/goldenknights/news/inside-how-the-golden-knights-prepared-for-tonights-expansion-draft/c-290043240

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:12 pm EST

Sure hope Gorton's able to turn around and move Raanta in a larger deal of some kind.

rf4L


Wed Jun 21 2017 5:11 pm EST

Keeping Quickie, Grabner, and Raanta? That was really the best case scenario. These three are hardest to replace. But I don't think the madness is over by any stretch.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:35 pm EST

Tdchi your choice to replace cheesy?

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:33 pm EST

stevielegs - Vegas has a pending deal with Pittsburgh. They're getting something to draft Fleury.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:31 pm EST

Surprised hagelin wasn't picked by sin city

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:23 pm EST

Looks like I picked the winner. Good luck to cheesy in sin city . Put jitters in at center and move purple haze to cheesy 's spot .

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:19 pm EST

STEVIE: Exactly. And LINDBERG turns 26 in October. He is already at the age where pretty much what you see is what you get. I don't see too much more development in his future. It isn't like he is a big PF. Many of those guys do seem to put it all together at 26 or 27.

Vic


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:14 pm EST

Vegas Knights so far...Forwards: KRUGER, LINDBERG, William KARLSSON, EAKIN, MARCHESSAULT, BELLEMARE, HAULA, LIEPSIC, PERRON, and NEAL...Defense: STONER, ENGELLAND(!!!), METHOT, SCHLEMKO, Colin MILLER, Griffin RHEINHART, EMELIN, and McNABB...Goalies: FLEURY and JF BERUBE...Shea THEODORE and Alex TUCH are supposedly getting dealt to LV in side deals...And there was a very unsubstantiated rumor that Philly is working to trade the second overall to Vegas...I'll wait until the other shoe drops with the side deals...But McPhee is really looking like an inept GM...the same inept GM that was working very hard on ruining the Capital's feeder system...Some of these picks are downright bizarre...Especially Engelland...and Nosek from the Wings? LV is sizing up to be every bit as ugly as the expansion teams that preceded it. He had a golden opportunity to draft a young, tough team that would have competed for a playoff spot...this team looks like a trash barge.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:04 pm EST

RF4L/E - the Rangers were more than physical enough all year on the backline...The fowards, not so much and, if kept the same, we will likely see the same in 17-18 REGULAR SEASON...However, During the Hab series, we also saw that many of the forwards can play a physical game if necessary...However, the big hole in that and in everything is still down the middle and near the crease...

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:03 pm EST

Out of the four I guess cheesy is the most replaceable today . But he probably will develope into a 2 or 3 rd line center. Fast is a close second choice . Grabner is still needed and I don't know who would replace antii.

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:02 pm EST

melvillefred - I believe they're going to announce the picks in order of what place a team finished, starting with the top team(Capitals). But if you follow the right sports writers on Twitter, you'll have the whole roster long before then.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:56 pm EST

So how's this work tonight.......prior to the awards they reveal the goodnights roster??

melvillefred


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:44 pm EST

The team we saw in the canadian series was not the team we saw under AV ever. I am not prepared to accept carte blanche that come October we're gonna see a physical team every night. In fact I wholly expect more lackluster non-aggressive hockey from this club once again especially if the core leadership group isn't further altered. Hell of that group the most physical of them was just bought out.

Rf4l


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:38 pm EST

E - I totally agree...but for the record, GRAVES just isn't a physical bruising defenseman...A guy like McILRATH, you see evidence of his bruising style every shift...Graves? Not so much. He picks and chooses his spots and when he hits, it's hard...but that's not the part of his game that stands out.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:34 pm EST

Yeah, I'm seeing LINDBERG as being chosen. As I posted about this a week or so ago he is the easiest of the group to replace. I'd rather not lose anyone but if one of those 4 had to go I'm glad it was LINDBERG. He is a solid bottom six guy but I've never seen anything more then that. In fact, I don't think he could produce enough offense (and by produce I mean create scoring chances for others) to play 3rd line on this team. I don't think the Rangers were going to find equal replacements for GRABNER, FAST or RAANTA.

Vic


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:30 pm EST

Shonuff - What moves are you speaking of? The deals LV hasn't announced? Or the handful of trades that HAVE been announced? Cuz the only deal I can say the Rangers missed out on was the DROUIN trade...and really, when it comes down to brass tacks, they neither had nor would have given up what Montreal did in that deal...You can point to the SMITH deal, but the Yotes got essentially a pile of trash for Smith...and if that was the going rate for Raanta, I would have rather forgone said pile of trash in the hopes he'd get selected to protect GRABNER, FAST and Lindberg...If you're talking about all the rumored deals LV has been cutting across the league, I'd urge you to wait until they all shake out tonight and tomorrow when the roster freeze is lifted...But the sounds of it, LV is quite literally extorting teams...The ransom they're demanding to NOT select guys is prohibitively high...Like I posted a little while ago...would you pay this year's first rounder and a high-level prospect --along the lines of BUCHNEVICH or DAY --to protect any player or players on the unprotected list? I wouldn't...Look at the deal the Wild are rumored to have made to protect DUMBA and SCANDELLA...HAULA and TUCH to the Knights...that would be like the Rangers trading Lindberg and Buchnevich to protect Raanta...deals that make almost no sense for the Rangers.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:25 pm EST

HOSPO: fair enough. I can't say you're wrong. After all, they are weak at center.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:24 pm EST

TD: to say that AV doesn't want a physical team has always been a headscratcher to me. Did anyone see the Montreal Canadians series? The New York Rangers were definitely more physical. What his teams don't do is get under the skin of the opponent. They keep it too whistle to whistle. They'll accept being pushed around in scrums after the play. I friggin hate that. I get that in the playoffs doing your best to keep your discipline and not do stupid things is important but there are 82 games where the play is different. Teams will take penalties to get under your skin. They will look to intimidate. And the New York Rangers just don't have the regular season personnel that get an arena hopping and keep it rocking. If your arena is quiet something is wrong and too many nights you here grumbles as the New York Rangers just don't have an edge to them.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 3:03 pm EST

The popular rumor on Twitter is that it is, in fact, Oscar LINDBERG who was selected by Vegas...I don't really know what to say about that...Probably would have wanted RAANTA or FAST selected...But Lindberg was the most complete player exposed by the Rangers. He is who I figured they'd take...that's good news because they can still move Raanta for pieces if they want...and I had a quiet fear about going back to a lineup without a speedster like GRABNER...but losing Oscar still hurts.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 2:52 pm EST

NYP_Brooksie: Can tell you that Vegas has NOT selected Antti Raanta from Rangers...

jim9k26


Wed Jun 21 2017 2:21 pm EST

Everybody loses but one that is .

Shonuff


Wed Jun 21 2017 2:19 pm EST

Tragic watching all the little moves most teams make with the draft looming while the Rangers brass as usual does nothing but overvalue what they have . Every year the same story . Why make moves and acquire future draft picks when only one team is going to win anyway . Rangers will never play the lottery because all but one wins . Sickening

Shonuff


Wed Jun 21 2017 1:32 pm EST

RF4L - If you're saying GRAVES isn't an AV player because he's physical, I think you're making a couple of wrong assumptions...While Graves is a big boy and not afraid of hitting, he's much more in the mold of a modern defenseman. He's a very fluid skater for a guy his size. I guess if there was a player he reminds me of, the closest match would be Sean DAY, TBH...He's not a McIlrath-type player who physically punishes guys...He's a smooth skating defenseman who has an absolute bomb from the point. If he's not in the NHL, it's because he's not ready, IMO, not because AV doesn't like his game.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 12:46 pm EST

From this POV I think that with the ultimate signing of Shattenkirk the D corps is almost there & the next order of business is finding a Center we can pry away from a club...... Why would a team trade a center they can ultimately build around????? I don't know the answer nor care, but if a team is willing to accept a combination of lesser but very good talent, it's long past due for the NYR's to go that route...... As this team get's a year older & mature, I think a guy like VESEY may show the biggest growth and a guy like Buchnevich just may be our ace in the hole.......

mf


Wed Jun 21 2017 12:20 pm EST

TDCHI - I hope you are right! Yeah, I go overboard when I say young players suck...but what I really mean is that their game is nowhere near ready RIGHT NOW for the NHLand that they should be in the AHL learning a hell of alot more..It takes mucho time with most of these kids..I hope some of them "get it" this year.We'll see..

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 12:08 pm EST

Hospo - We'll see. I think the Pack will be a much stronger team this year when everything shakes out. GILMOUR is now 24, so if he doesn't make a strong case to be in the NHL this season, I suspect the Rangers will cut ties with him by the end of the year.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:55 am EST

E - Where I don't agree, Is that I, unlike you, DO NOT think this team was/is good enough up fronnt to take the next step..And it will get worse..Serious issues down the middle of the top 9..nash decomposing, especially in the POs...Kreider and Miller remaining inconsistent an unproductive at times..Hayes just one giant enigma who can be downright worthless at times...Very little size and compete near the net..Yes, the D needs attention, but the forwards need it to---if the Cup is a gaol..If it's not, just keep the forward band together, make the POs, bow out easily and makes some money for Dolan...

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:49 am EST

HOSPO: in a vacuum every player is replaceable. I'm not married to anyone. But when I look at the structure, support it with stats, and my eyes the reality comes down to one issue: defense. This team up front was good enough to get to the next step. They were woeful on the blueline. And that is the issue. Now, all things left equal and there was no expansion draft, the New York Rangers kept Raanta (which I would've preferred) and they could get their defense fixed, this is a cup contender capable of beating anyone. They have the guns up front. And so I say, why break it to fix it? Yeah, you and I agree. The grit isn't there. The sandpaper needs to be more but at the premium of not fixing the defense? This is the summer of defense. And I brought up Pionk. Not because he is a savior. History suggests he is a lot more like Jillson than the next superstar. But maybe Bereglaev, Day? Of course we don't know, but depth and competition. Hopefully something rises out of that crap.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:46 am EST

FWIW I still see little chance of Graves on the Ranger blueline while AV is behind the bench. I sure hope I'm wrong tho...

Rf4l


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:45 am EST

Re Hossa's sudden illness. I wonder what diseases/ailments Suter and Parise will.end up with...

Rf4l


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:31 am EST

Bob - On the money. Hossa is doing the Hawks a solid. That's what's going down. And if the condition was that awful, isn't it a strange co-winky-dink that this all comes out THE DAY BEFORE THE EXPANSION DRAFT. Hmmmmmm....

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:20 am EST

BOB.... Allegedly, he played with it last year(or couple of year). So the next logical questions is, what is the difference between LY and TY? Maybe it's also about not wanting to put up with it for just $1 Mil per season over the next four years. I think it's more likely he was ready to retire and this was the best way to not screw the team with the cap. Maybe he also sits out the whole season and then shows up for the playoffs if the team is looking pretty good(when the cap doesn't matter)? :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 11:00 am EST

E - I just couldn't care less about the likes of Lindberger, Grabner and Ranta..All decent to good players, but all replaceable...The fate of the team lies with the needed changes in the OVERATED core...You keep that the same, everything else is just lipstick on a pig...

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:57 am EST

TDCHI - Wow..Honest Injun, I didn't give one iota of thought to you when talking about those players....I have no clue which wallsters wrote about PIONK (other than E's post), I just remember seeing his name and high hopes way too much...As for GILMOUR, was just using him as a previous example for PIONK..But, now that you mention it, I do remember having discussion/debates about his worthiness with you...I hope to God he learns to play defense just a smidge if he stays a Ranger..........This expansion draft shenanagins is such bull shit

Hospo


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:46 am EST

NHL XM various voices as well as NHL Network guys all universally agreed without a single voice of dissent that LV intends to take Raanta. What they will do with him is another question but he is in demand around the league. And that's okay with me. Obviously it sucks that we have to lose a Guy. Especially, when he is playing the role of backing up an aging and inconsistent starter. But when I remember what the New York Rangers looked like with the hole left by Hagelin, and how it was replaced by Grabner I didn't want to lose him. I think a PK speedster and breakout threat is crucial. I really think Lindberg is a better player than a fourth Center and he is also crucial to the decision making process on Stepan. And ultimately losing Fast would've really hurt. When people talk about how the New York Rangers win with depth as opposed to superstar talent these guys are a huge part of the reason. Now let's get Stepan out and a righty defenseman in there. Get some more depth. Sign Smith and head off on vacation.

E


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:37 am EST

Hossa. Stupid autocorrect.

Bob


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:37 am EST

Does anyone here believe this Hosea story? He was only getting $1 Mil this season. This is LTIR cap circumvention at its finest.

Bob


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:37 am EST

I mean, Erik HAULA, who is a solid third-line center, Alex TUCH, who is a genuine A-level prospect with star potential, AND a conditional pick to stay away from DUMBA or SCANDELLA? That's absolutely absurd.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:33 am EST

Regarding tonight's draft fiasco...I can't say I blame GORTON for passing on a deal...everything that I've read so far suggests LV is going to make out like bandits...They're getting impressive young talent in exchange for not picking guys who are solid B players...Sounds like the going rate for this kind of protection is a first-round pick and a top prospect...think about losing the 21st pick and BUCHNEVICH for a guy like FAST, LINDBERG, RAANTA or GRABNER. Are you willing to pay that price? Not me.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:29 am EST

re: Ryan GRAVES - Again, he's a kid who has an NHL game. Last year was a bit of a setback for him. The Pack expected him to step into the shoes of McILRATH and be the shutdown guy...he tried...didn't fail completely, but certainly didn't take the next step toward earning a spot on the team. But here's the thing with him: He just turned 22. He's still young. And for a guy who has two years in the A under his belt, he's moving in the right direction. I don't think he's Staal 2.0, necessarily...but there are similarities in their game...both good skaters. Both excellent positional defensemen...Graves, as Monte points out, does have a ripper. One of the hardest shots in the AHL. Make no mistake, this kid is a very good prospect.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:23 am EST

Hospo - Ahh, I see a thinly-veiled swipe at my assessment of players...When I mentioned GILMOUR, I never once said he was NHL-ready...just that he has the goods to be an NHL defenseman. He's quick and has very good offensive instincts...really, he's the prototypical modern blueliner...He's also a high-risk, high-reward player...he's going to turnover the puck and those mistakes lead to goals...what I never said about him was that he would be on the Ranger blueline or that he's a sure shot to make the NHL. Do I think it's possible? Certainly. Still a good prospect even though his window to make the team will close pretty much out of camp this year...And then to PIONK: I don't think anyone here that I've read...and of course, that includes myself...have said Pionk is the next big thing. He's a very talented guy who was coveted by 20 other teams in the league. Again, he has the goods to be an NHLer...and if I were to put money on it, I would say the Rangers will give him every opportunity to make the team...it's usually the reason why these coveted NCAAers sign with an organization: They're told a roster spot is there's to lose. It's why VECCHIONE signed with Philly. It's why HAYES and VESEY signed in New York. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Penguins told ASTON-REESE he'd have a spot waiting in October...But I couldn't tell you what any of these negotiations involved. And I can't tell you that Pionk or Gilmour will be NHLers, much less stars...but when it comes to talent, both have the skills to play in the NHL...talent alone, however, does not make an NHLer.

tdchi


Wed Jun 21 2017 10:18 am EST

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger ..... Spencer Foo isn't expected to make decision on an NHL home until Monday/Tuesday. As reported, Edmonton, Calgary, VGK and Philly all in mix.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:59 am EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ...... Many talking about "The Pledge." That is, if VGK did deal with team, VGK insisted that team not do any other deals that could harm VGK.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:51 am EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... Let's start with ANA. The belief is VGK will claim Clayton Stoner, pass on Manson/Vatanen and, in return for all that, get Shea Theodore..... Also, per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun .... People wondering why Penguins are sending a pick to Vegas to take Fleury. Actually makes sense. Believe deal was done a while back (con"t).... Penguins worried I think that with a market flooded with goalies, Vegas had many options. Had to entice Vegas to ensure they took Fleury... Because Penguins needed cap relief that comes with losing Fleury, got guys to sign, etc.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:51 am EST

Many players have had the problems Hossa is having. Its not really allergy against a specific materia, its a reaction against basically dressing up in plastic. I think it was Mikael Renberg that his SHL team had to send on a vaccation to the mideterainian like a month into the season because he got so bad reactions. I had a bit of problems myself when I played. Got big red marks.

Ola


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:34 am EST

Michael Russo‏Verified account @Russostrib ..... SOURCES: #mnwild's Erik Haula signs with Vegas Golden Knights, Alex Tuch likely bound for Vegas by day's end

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 9:20 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun..... Headed to Chicago today. Going to be a busy week. Some teams I think have been holding non-Vegas trades until after VGK process was done..... Whatever players VGK are flipping in a 3-way, those trades won't be announced until Thursday. Those players first have to be part of reveal.... all the other side deals (getting picks/prospects to lay off a player) announced tonight after being processed by Central Registry today...

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:25 am EST

Rhet, -- LOL, I was just making sure you guys were paying attention, haha. ;-)

hipcheck


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:15 am EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie ..... Once again: The Rangers do not have a deal with Vegas. Had never been their intention.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:10 am EST

Hipcheck.... If by homegrown you mean drafted by Phoenix and then picked up in a trade by the NYR in exchange for Ethen Werek, then yes, he's 'homegrown.' :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:04 am EST

Unfortunately, we wont know who we lost today until the NHL Awards tonight. I usually try to avoid those and wait for the results on twitter. If the ratings are high enough, does the NHL have an expansion draft every year?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 8:04 am EST

If we lose Lindberg that's just more of the same New York Ranger bad luck bull sh* t we've all lived and died with decade after decade. He's not irreplaceable, but it would be a painful loss. He's homegrown, plays well with Fast, has steadily improved, showed a lot coming back from injury/surgery, aaaaaaaand the kid is a very good text book body checker, I Love that.

hipcheck


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:52 am EST

If the Rangers lose Lindberg, there will be replacements available. Brian Boyle, Matt Cullen, and others as stopgaps until they find/trade for a younger option. Or Boo from Hartford.

Bob


Wed Jun 21 2017 7:19 am EST

I read about this last night and it just seemed crazy..... "Report: ‘A legitimate possibility’ Hossa has played his last NHL game".... https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-legitimate-possibility-hossa-played-033512071.html

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:47 am EST

Well I get the feeling George McPhee put the Bull in Bullshitter. I really hope the Rangers don't make a stupid deal just to hold onto one of our 3-4 liners or Rantaa. We can sign a replacement. Just get this over with so we can move on with (hopefully) the real deals that have to be made.

NYStranger


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:44 am EST

I wonder why fishboy didn't make a deal with sin city. Was the price extortionist ? It's a lot better to pick who you lose then let them pick .

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 6:10 am EST

June 20, 2017 4:18 PM By Steve Zipay steve.zipay@newsday.com On the eve of the NHL’s first expansion draft in 17 years, the Vegas Golden Knights have deals in place with at least six teams to agree to take — or not take — certain unprotected players in exchange for high draft picks or other compensation. But as of late Tuesday, it appeared that the Rangers did not have a similar agreement with Knights general manager George McPhee, who spoke with the media on Tuesday. It is believed that the Rangers had talked with McPhee after the protection lists were released on Sunday, but a team spokesman declined to comment Tuesday. Without any type of last-minute arrangement, the Rangers stand to lose one player on Wednesday, when Vegas submits its roster selections to the NHL — at least 14 forwards, nine defensemen and three goalies.

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:40 am EST

Today starts all the action, Boy did George McPhee come a long way from being behind the bar at Blue Moon on the upper west side after his Ranger days!

Pal17


Wed Jun 21 2017 4:38 am EST

HOSPO, I gave up on the idea of winning in the next two years. There are too many playoff games that this core just doesn't bother showing up for. If they did what the Sens did taking the Pens to dble OT in gm 7 then yea maybe they are still a good playoff team. This core's last big moment was beating the Caps. After that they took gm 1 vs. Tampa and they said to themselves oh shit we are only have way there? I just think that now is the time to make some bold moves but hey that's just me.

Pal17


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:15 pm EST

Yeah, well I send down some instructions to AV too on how I want the team to play in certain situations....

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:57 pm EST

MF - I wouldn't trade KREIDER either..BUT I think one of Miller or Kreider gets dealt this off-season..Both are very frustrating and AV has probably had enough..Just my take.

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:53 pm EST

Hospo: agree, but I would not trade Kreider. You cant teach 6'3" & 230-235 that skat like a locomotive... AFAIC, McDonagh is untouchable, he's a warrior being coached by a coward.......... I want us to get a center in a bad way: Stepan/Hayes/Fast/Lindberg/Miller are all replaceable.......

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:39 pm EST

Pal17 - Disagree about dealing McD if you want to try and win the entire thing in the next two years..I Know I Say that this team needs it's core changed..and McD is part of that core..but Good two-way D are so scarce...start with the forwards--Stepan, Nash, Hayes, one of Miller/Kreider, etc.......We'll see.

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:38 pm EST

Anyone Jonesing for some hockey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=025aJGKET4A

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:36 pm EST

I get the frustration over who was bought out - G vs S - but the reason G was bought is due to the cap hit different - G's is significantly less that Staal's. You wanna lament bad decisions, look at the man who's responsible for both contracts.

rf4L


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:35 pm EST

I couldn't care less if Ranta or Lindberger or Grabner get picked and go bye bye..All can be replaced for when it matters--PO hockey..And I wouldn't pay too much to try and keep them.Just get this shit over with...

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:31 pm EST

Also worth mentioning, I really don't want to see STEPAN with his 6.5 ntc back. I'm all for dealing NASH at the draft or at the deadline. Last but not least I've had it with STAAL because I think GIRARDI played better then STAAL but he was still bought out.

Pal17


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:09 pm EST

I agree that MCDONOUGH is a really good defenseman and an excellent skater but he's got two years left and then he's going to get one of those 6-7 million dollar per year deals. He'll be 30 and he still won't have the right partner next to him. He still won't have a true #1 Center in front of him. HENRIK will be two years older and then what will you do? Now is the time because of all the wheeling & dealing go on with Vegas.

Pal17


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:03 pm EST

E: I wouldn't be surprised. I also wouldn't be surprised to see him subsequently flipped elsewhere for a pick. If so, unless it's a first, so be it - someone had to go. Now if that happens and then Gorther sends a pick/prospect to the Showers, it'll really suck.

rf4L


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:55 pm EST

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/new-york-rangers

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:53 pm EST

Raanta will be taken. Bank on it.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:15 pm EST

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/06/19/new-york-rangers-kevin-shattenkirk-nhl-free-agents/

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:13 pm EST

NHL @NHL They’re here. All 31 brand new @adidashockey jerseys, unveiled. #FormTheFuture

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 8:44 pm EST

Wow its been years - great to see The Wall still here and still so active. Shout out to all!

TheFez


Tue Jun 20 2017 8:22 pm EST

I bet they take Lindberg.

hipcheck


Tue Jun 20 2017 8:13 pm EST

Brooks should just shut up. Poor little Gorton. Ineffective loser GM. I guess that's what we are all supposed to say. Who the hell knows what is going to happen?

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 7:56 pm EST

Adam Rotter: Grabner would be a really interesting choice for Vegas because I think they could probably flip him to another team that is looking to add speed. Grabner is cheap, has no long-term commitment and showed the kind of player he could be against team after team and also at times in the playoffs. I think he is a definite candidate to be selected by Vegas and then flipped somewhere else. Losing Grabner would be one thing but there is then the possibility for a Carl Hagelin redux where Grabner is property of a team in the West but could very easily be traded back to the East and be someone the Rangers have to deal with. There is no guarantee of that and Grabner could still be with the Rangers come tomorrow night, but speed is the big thing in the NHL and having a player who is not only fast but knows how to use his speed effectively and to create chances makes him a very valuable player.

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 7:54 pm EST

At TSN, both Craig Button and Frank Seravalli have the Vegas Golden Knights selecting Michael Grabner from the Rangers in Wednesday's expansion draft. Larry Brooks wrote on Monday that in his opinion, the most damaging player for the Rangers to lose in the expansion draft would be Grabner. (NY Post)

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 7:51 pm EST

https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/the-rangers-dont-have-a-side-deal-with-vegas/237075830

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 7:50 pm EST

6/20/17 | As of late Tuesday, according to Steve Zipay, the Rangers do not appear to have a side agreement with Vegas. (Newsday) Vegas GM George McPhee says that his team has made at least six trades so far. (Newsday) 6/17/17 | The Rangers have no side deals in place with Las Vegas and according to Larry Brooks they seem "resigned to losing a player." (Larry Brooks)

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 7:23 pm EST

I can tell you that the entire SW of the US is experiencing unbelievably oppressive heat. If I were thinking about Vegas as a team I might feel this heat and just say screw it, there is no way. My best friend in Sun City said that his backyard hit 128 in the sun. I once had to park and walk up a road in a black suit at a wedding in 120 heat and ended up with a blistering headache for the rest of the day. It'll be interesting to see how good Vegas can keep their ice at the arena. Good thing hockey play starts in fall. Vegas cools down substantially in late October and becomes pretty nice to even cold as winter wears on.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 6:50 pm EST

Sin city is melting.....http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4621634/First-day-summer-begins-heat-wave-Southwest-US.html

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 6:44 pm EST

What deal has fishboy made with sin city? ....http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-have-deal-with-vegas-to-steer-golden-knights-in-expansion-draft-sources-say-1.13748697

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 6:04 pm EST

Showers gonna draft a bunch of d-men and flip a few it appears. Lots of good ones available including one from Anaheim, Minnesota, Washington and Ottawa. JVR's brother from Chicago is apparently going to be selected. Unless there are deals in place, look for the Showers to flip at least 2 and possibly one of them to Toronto.

rf4L


Tue Jun 20 2017 5:48 pm EST

Sean Day and Tim Gettinger invited to the US world junior summer camp. Good news.

rf4L


Tue Jun 20 2017 5:04 pm EST

Bunch of articles here, keep scrolling down: https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/will-michael-grabner-be-the-choice-for-vegas-in-the-expansion-draft/237646522

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 4:43 pm EST

KinkyBoots, he could try picking up you.......

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 4:40 pm EST

Is this true? ...."26 of his picks have to be 14 forwards, 9 defensemen and 3 goalies. Maximum he can pick is 4 more defensemen. What he does after the draft with trades, who knows? He could be picking up more d-men based on trades he has already lined up and may want to move them."

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 3:38 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/c-290012036

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 3:07 pm EST

1 1 SinBin.vegas @SinBinVegas · 1h Everyone got excited about the loosness of the rules, this is the real benefit of the rules.

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 3:07 pm EST

SinBin.vegas @SinBinVegas "In every case to date we are getting more than we thought we would have otherwise gotten." -Foley

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 2:22 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/c-290012036

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 2:08 pm EST

Hospo....on gilmour - he ended up with the worse +/- figure in the ahl last year. Not much talk about him these days.

Rf4l


Tue Jun 20 2017 1:56 pm EST

From what I've seen of Graves he is not comparable to Staal. But than again Staal isn't comparable to Staal. He is just a shell of his former self. Graves is an intriguing prospect though. Guy can crack a shot from the point hard and low. Not a skill too common in the NHL.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 1:50 pm EST

Here is the video of Getzlaf getting Stepan out of the pile. Of course, he'd have no problem spearing you in the neck next shift but I like Getzlaf. He plays the game right. Mean, tough, and skilled. And he knows how to turn off the jets if someone is hurt. That wasn't always the case. https://youtu.be/Dgrw6bAbpKc

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 1:42 pm EST

Likes Steve Zipay's Tweets Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 40m So, McPhee could take Raanta and flip him because he'll still have four goalies? Nice setup for the Knights. Renaud Lavoie @renlavoietva He confirmed that some of the picks that are going to be announced are going to be traded the next day. Steve Zipay Retweeted SinBin.vegas @SinBinVegas · 3h "There are 8 or 9 verbal deals that we have, or that are pretty well put to bed. There are 6 other boxes (of teams with no deals). " -Foley

Stevielegs


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:35 pm EST

E - yeah that's an easy one: remind your dad we used to have Peter Prucha!

LeoS


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:24 pm EST

Hey Hospo: Seems like a bigger, stronger version of Marc Staal with an offensive compontnent, ie: Howitzer of a shot..... "IF" the Rangers can move M.Staal, major coup in reshaping the defense and the cap....... BTW: As of now I'm all for signing SHATTENKIRK. IMO he'll do plenty of the heavy lifting over time, and a part of his game that seems to get overlooked and flies under the radar is, "this kid hits to hurt." I've seen quite a few STL highlights, this guy looks for the hit.... yum yum, eat em up! :-)

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:15 pm EST

MF - That's exactly what we should do with Graves..Not ready yet, but who knows when everything will start to come together..Could be this coming year..His play, like anybody else's , will have to force the issue...We just don't seem to have to many players nerar that level..

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:12 pm EST

Here's an article about RYAN GRAVES from 2 weeks ago, the Kid's shot was clocked at 103.4 mph..... He's listed at 6'5" & 220 lbs.... maybe we hold onto this kid for a while & let him mature (any scouting inputs from The Wall?) http://elitesportsny.com/2017/06/06/new-york-rangers-scouting-the-future-blueshirts-ryan-graves/

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:03 pm EST

Oh, I have no delusion about Pionk. Or Graves, or Day or anyone else. You gotta prove it otherwise it's just potential. And how many guys have potential?

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:42 am EST

OTOH, somebody like SKJEI showed in the 2016 PO's that he was ready for full time last year...And SKJEI lat year showed that he is ready for much, much more this year..Will still make mistakes but Pile the responsibilities on him, he's ready

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:34 am EST

E - I've seen this name PIONK thrown around like he's the next Savior..When will people learn....More than likely he's just the next Jesus Jillson..Or, like last yeart when half the wall was yearning for this GILMOUR kid last pre-season becasue he had a little offensive game...Who cares if he's a sieve and pathetic defesnively as he showed when he got destroyed in the AHL...Don't rush these kids...

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:31 am EST

Glad to see there's an anti Shittenkirk bus in here. He reeks of a prototypical high priced ufa signing: A couple of years shy of 30. A good but not great statistical history. Team wise no claim to fame (no cup win - not even a deep PO run). No consensus on just how good he is from so called experts. Likely going to land a rich long term deal. Agreed- stay away.

Rf4l


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:30 am EST

E - We disagree on both...I think Staal has decayed into the horrendous and weak category..and is a huge injury risk (and a timid player) with the concussion stuff..I want nothing to do with him.....As for Shattenkirk, I just don't think he's that good..I think you can go with MCD, much more freedom for SKJEI, and pick up somebody else (kid or vet) much more reasonable..That's what I would do..but, I'll wait and see what develops

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:15 am EST

Even if we sign Shattenkirk AV most likely gives him the Yandle treatment and plays him bottom pair; I just don't see the value in it UNLESS he leaves a lot of money on the table to sign with the Rangers (not completely out of the realm of possibilities since he's a good old Ranger fan from New Rochelle). Even so that still leaves one big league spot open on the right side which I'm assuming is already pencilled in for Alexei Bereglazov. He's a lefty shot but I think he played the right side for Magnitogorsk. Personally not a fan of D playing their off side since you loose 1/2 second when keeping the puck in but I think it puts them in A bit of a defenseless position. By all accounts he's god a good chance tho- I'm looking forward to seeing the kid (as well as Sergei Zabrovski). Too bad Ryan Graves doesn't seem to be in their plans at all at this point. Again, I think he brings a little to the team that can't be measured by metrics. I'd keep him even if he's slightly below the level of the others

_Arc


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:14 am EST

Hospo: I hear you on the contract for Shattenkirk and I don't think he is worth it dollars to donuts but that's the economy we live in and if the New York Rangers had to decide whether to take it bent over the barrel with a lopsided trade or spend money in cap space that they don't have? My theory is that it's easier to wiggle out from under a bad deal than it is to see your pantry raided. Either way, it's tough. Let's just hope for Pionk.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 11:11 am EST

I don't think it was a mistake keeping Staal given the structure in play. You weren't going to eat G and Staal's contract together and you chose the less of two evils. They're going to have to find another way out from Staal's contract.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:39 am EST

Hospo....100% agree with you about buying out G and keeping Staal...a mistake.

melvillefred


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:34 am EST

So 73% of us want to trade Stepan, including me, as long as we get good return. Maybe the Rangers are waiting to see if we lose Lindberg before doing anything with him.

melvillefred


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:31 am EST

I watched quite a bit of Capt. Kirk last year...For the price and years...STAY AWAY..STAY FAR AWAY,,..The Rangers are gonna deeply regret keeping the rapidly decaying and rotting Mark STAAL instead of Girardi....AS for MCD, still by far the best D the Rangers have and one of the better all around D in the league..Keep him and try and find him a solid partner again..

Hospo


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:11 am EST

I don't see where the New York Rangers get better off of trading McD. At all... he is what you build teams around. Wanna teach kids how to play defense? He's text book. Positionally, stick work, playing the angles, and winning the battles. I think some New York Rangers fans actually do not have any clue how good this guy actually is. Mostly, because so much of his game is so understated. He's an expert on stick checks. He can play the body. He wins the scrum. He pushes people around on the wall. He can break up the puck like a 4th forward. He is master of none and just good all the way around. And Skjei while it's a big hill to suggest he also has the same upside is like McD light. Maybe with a little more bang to his game. And people talk about Shattenkirk. And I say if the New York Rangers cannot find a better alternative out there for trade than I absolutely want them to sign Shattenkirk. They need a big minute, righty and offensive threat. In the worst way. Shattenkirk gives you that. And let's not get into the whole PP thing that went thru it's perennial shit show last season. It is the summer of defense and out the top of the list is righty big-minute. And if they cannot fix the defense? And you have talent the likes of Clandening level guys playing big minutes? You'll be thinking about how stupid it was to let the team go into the season with such holes on the blueline.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 10:07 am EST

June 18-21 — Roster freeze for all non-Vegas trades and signings........... June 21, 10 a.m. ET — Vegas submits expansion draft player selections.......... June 21, 8 p.m. ET — NHL Awards Show, including announcement of Vegas picks

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:57 am EST

Re: Stepan. My father brought this to me. Can you remember a New York Rangers player who has been on the wrong side of a blistering check more often than Stepan? We were joking about it and when you start thinking about it, Stepan has just a tremendous history of getting himself stapled to the glass. I even remember him taking such a bad shot during a game that Getzlaf dragged him by the jersey to get him out of the scrum. I'll say this for Stepan. He has a jaw on him. He doesn't get intimidated out there. He'll take that big hit to make a play. And I suppose since he skates like a 3-year old he's had to just tough his way thru punishment. J/K.

E


Tue Jun 20 2017 9:33 am EST

Agree wit hPAL....do NOT sign Shattenkirk......not sure about the McD move he would have to bring a really good return.

melvillefred


Tue Jun 20 2017 8:25 am EST

Trade MCDONOUGH do not sign SHATTENKIRK ! It's been downhill ever since they pulled off the miracle of beating Washington a few years ago. After that they won gm 1 vs Tampa and then stopped showing up.... Gave Ottawa 3 games in a series.... This group doesn't have what it takes! Now is the time to trade whatever assets that they can and build around the youth. Adding one dimensional Shattenkirk makes no sense to me.

Pal17


Tue Jun 20 2017 8:19 am EST

td: Hee is the issue. McD makes 4.7 mil per...Barrie makes 5.5.....and you want to sign Shattenkirk. They need to open cap space for that not lose it getting a Dman who isn't as good as the one they trade to get him. And Mackinnon only makes 200k less than step so you do t save much there( altogether go he would be a really good get and I would look into how much he costs) so getting Barrie and Mackinnon would make it near impossible to sign Shattenkirk

Wildcard


Tue Jun 20 2017 5:17 am EST

Get out and vote: https://www.sny.tv/rangers/news/do-you-want-the-rangers-to-trade-derek-stepan/237462582

PUCKYOU


Tue Jun 20 2017 1:07 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/nhl-unveils-expansion-draft-lists-who-was-protected-and-what-happens-next

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:43 am EST

Doesn't mean that AANTI RAANTA is safe........http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/golden-knights-shouldn-t-hesitate-to-draft-mrazek-after-red-wings-puzzling-decision

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:36 am EST

Forgot all about SERGEI ZBOROVSKY (RHS) is he or PIONK ready for 3rd line duty? Just strengthened the argument to sign SHATTENKIRK and start ripping apart the forwards to land a Center.....

mf


Tue Jun 20 2017 12:32 am EST

TD, I’m all over the map with my replies, good luck following this :->) …………..IMO Trading McDonagh is off limits and certainly not worth an article by Brooks, maybe by someone else not so intimately related to the team, but not Brooks…IMO You trade McDonagh and you put a fault-line in the foundation that is our defensive unit…..……….... ON Tyson Barrie, his Defense Sucks, had him two seasons ago on the fantasy hockey team, he’s a plus minus nightmare and he just isn’t physical enough for my liking, he’ll give you a bunch of assists……..………….…Want to drop a boot in this organization? …..… Get on the phone with Vancouver, and find out the price for your boy “BO HORVAT” since Mackinnon is priced off the charts…………..offer up Stepan, Hayes, Graves (anyone here have a good scouting report on Graves?) … and again, our 21st for their #5…….. If this isn’t enough to pry Horvat away, offer another prospect (not named SEAN DAY) or a wing like JT Miller or Fast, or if Vancouver wants Lindberg instead of Hayes so be it (we can always trade Hayes in another transaction) …..… If we’re giving up too much, ask for an additional concession back our way…..…… Hayes, Miller & Fast, are all replaceable………….. As for Marc Staal, in my world, he cost us the Cup vs LA and he was also on the ice for a key goal or two vs Ottawa and helped cost us the series…… At this point in his career Staal is a 3rd line guy who can’t handle first line or physically strong forwards, can he be moved up in a pinch? Of course…. ……………..……. On trading up in this year’s entry draft, many of the pundits are down playing this year’s depth & lack of generational talent, so they’re basically devaluing the talent in this class…… This creates an opportunity to trade into the top 5 at a “discounted cost”………Agin IMO we need some centers in the pipeline, VILARLDI has been listed as high as number 3 overall and as part of building for the future I think we should go for him…In years where everyone is ooohing and aahhhing its going to cost too much to attempt to trade up…............Once this expansion draft plays out, maybe we pull off this trade for Horvat……... Regardless of whether or not we land a young RHS D’man, we should sign Shattenkirk….. If Chellios and Lidstrom can play until 40, Shat & McDonagh can pull Santa’s sled until age 34…………….if we’re short funds, we can examine moving NASH & his $7.8mill…………….. I’d rather have 3 of McDonagh/Skjei/Staal/Holden/Bereglazov down the Left Side and Shattenkirk/Smith/Pionk or newly acquired RHS Dman then having Tyson Barrie and losing McDonagh……

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 10:35 pm EST

NHL Couch Coach™‏ @NHLCouchCoach ..... FLA Panthers were unable to work out deal with Las Vegas to make sure Marchessault was safe. Per @hfialkov #NHL #LVGK #FLA

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:58 pm EST

TD: That's what I thought - just weird.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:39 pm EST

Wild - Here's the logic: STAAL is pretty much going nowhere, so he's going to be on the left somewhere. SKJEI is basically a poor man's McDONAGH. So he slides up to the top pairing. That allows you to resign SMITH or slot HOLDEN into the number three left-side position...and meanwhile, give GRAVES, BEREGLAZOV or DAY a shot at landing a roster spot...BARRIE lines up on second pairing with Staal and gets paid with the cash saved by trading McD...Then you use the money saved with the GIRARDI buyout to land SHATTENKIRK. And let PIONK or ZBOROVSKIY fight it out for the sixth slot...you end up with Skjei-Shatty, Staal-Barrie, Smith/Bereglazov-Pionk/Holden/Zborovskiy...Admittedly, this is an adventuresome D. Lots of guys back there that fart with their ears. But boy is that a mobile D. Staal would be the slowest guy back there and he's no slouch....it's all fantasy, because I don't see the Rangers doing that deal...and if they did, I think Sakic would have to think long and hard about it...longer than the July 1 deadline to move Step without his NMC kicking in.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:31 pm EST

RF4L - Snow is off his every-loving rocker...the five defensemen he protected are good, but they're not THAT good...POLUCK is the one that has star potential...but that's a bit of a stretch...the kid is going to be 23 next season and couldn't even crack the Isles' defense when they were suffering a rash of injuries...so that tells ya' something right there...and PELECH? Best I can say of him is that he's an NHLer. I don't think he'll ever be much more than a mid-level player...Then again, if Snow is comfortable losing his first-overall for no other reason than to protect a couple of decent prospects...there again we have evidence of this draft being weak. Either that or he sees something in those two guys that no one else does...with all the strong defenders going into the expansion draft, I'd think exposing those two would be a no-brainer. Granted KULEMAN and GRABOVSKI are two zeros...but man, you would think keeping a first rounder in the top 20 would be perfered over keeping a couple guys who might never do anything in the NHL.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:16 pm EST

And did the Islanders make the POs last year? Ahh, no. Isn't it cap challenged successful teams who need to make these trades? Just weird.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:02 pm EST

Giving away a first rounder without making VGK take back any real high salaried player is a bad precedent.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:59 pm EST

Mmm...are the Islanders over-reacting? They protected 5 d-men but not De Haan. Is their backline that good? All I heard was how Minnesota and Anaheim are over-stocked with young d-men and if they didn't make a deal of some kind (or 2 or 3) they'd lose a good one. The Islanders were never mentioned for that issue. WTF is going on there or am I missing something??

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:27 pm EST

Craig Morgan‏Verified account @craigsmorgan ..... Shane Doan has been offered a front office job with the Coyotes. Given how raw this all is right now, I assume he'll mull that offer a bit.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:24 pm EST

Islanders dealing first-round pick to Vegas, also likely trading Mikhail Grabovski to expansion franchise, sources say.... (Allegedly: Isles going to trade 1st round pick + Mikhail Grabovski to Vegas, in exchange for them picking Nikolay Kulemin).... http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/islanders/islanders-have-deal-with-vegas-to-steer-golden-knights-in-expansion-draft-sources-say-1.13748697

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:02 pm EST

mf: Honestly, unless Sakic has woken up, Miller wouldn't do it either....Sakic wants a kings ransom for the court jester.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:01 pm EST

td: SO who would be on the first pair if you got rid of McD and had Barrie? Barrie is a number 3/4. Good skating, good offensive instincts, not such great defensive ones.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:54 pm EST

mf - still don't understand your fixation on the top five in this draft...you realize you probably stand every bit of chance in getting a genuine NHLer and/or a star player drafting at 21 this year as you will drafting at 4 or 5. The fact that teams have been whispering about the availability of 3 through 5 is ample evidence that the players available there are far from sure things.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:51 pm EST

mf/Wildcard, Actually Brooks was speculating the Rangers might offer McDONAGH and STEPAN for McKINNON and BARRIE. That's a pretty interesting deal, actually...Would hate to lose either Step or McD...but I'll be damned...if you wanted to really drop a boot in the pants of this organization...that's how you do it...Barrie would allow the Rangers to drop either SMITH or HOLDEN back to third-pairing D...And it would give you a slot for BEREGLAZOV or someone like GRAVES or DAY if they break through...McD getting moved would also mean the Rangers would have cash to throw at SHATTENKIRK...I'm not sure the Avs would do that, but that's a deal that would at least be fair for them.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:06 pm EST

WildCard: What are your thoughts about whether we added JT Miller to the deal?

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 6:42 pm EST

mf: Sakic is trying to rebuild the AVS in one fell swoop...well more like 1 or 2 trades. Don't forget for Duchene he wanted the equivalent of Skjei, Buch, Graves and a 1st....and that was just for Duchene....your offer wouldn't even make him stay not he phone....Sakic is destroying the AVS all by himself it seems.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 19 2017 6:30 pm EST

The transition from a successful player to a successful team management position is truly an art form...the masterpieces are few and far between...Most of these guys validate that adage every single day.

RF73


Mon Jun 19 2017 6:08 pm EST

Irving is that from the mooferator or moofisms ? Clean sin city with what a blowtorch? Let it stay in Vegas

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 6:03 pm EST

Wallsters: Would Stepan, Hayes, Graves, and our 21st land us: The Knucks Bo Horvat and their #5 pick? or The Av's Nathan Mackinnon and their #4 pick? t/y

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:57 pm EST

It is said that he is a practicing Christian. Can he clean up "Sin City?" (StLegs, your move)

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:54 pm EST

Rhet: I feel the same way...seems like Vegas fits...unless a competitive team offers him something he likes.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:25 pm EST

I bet Shane Doan winds up in Vegas. It seems like a natural fit.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:23 pm EST

Iginla in the same boat as Doan? ........ I'd rather try to pry Patrick Marleau to the East Coast on a short term deal, E, what are the odds ?

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:17 pm EST

melfred: LOLOL...first mistake - expecting to come here for relaxing reading! ;^)

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:13 pm EST

Can't believe it.......come to the WALL for a relaxing reading of the posts and what do I see......get Doan for a year.......Jaayyyzzzuuuus!!

melvillefred


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:06 pm EST

New York Rangers‏ @newyorkbuzztap .... bluelinestation?.com >> New York Rangers: Determining Brady Skjei’s next contract http://buzztap.com/-zVlMP7

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:01 pm EST

Offer Doan a 1 year $2,000,000 contract - take or leave it.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 5:00 pm EST

mf: Terrible contract, as is the one the Bruins gave Backus. Hell, the year before they coughed up tons of $$ for Matt Belesky. For sure Sather hasn't cornered the market on stupid contracts.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:58 pm EST

Wild maybe we can give up two second rounders for him next deadline ala Eric Staal. That would be great! ;-)

NYStranger


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:56 pm EST

Doan I think is a guy that if the team he ends up on misses the post season or look to maybe not be able to squeak in, you go an get as a rental at the deadline. He has the type of attitude that could fire the team up in the playoffs. But I think he wouldn't help much during the regular season, and may even hinder the team some.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:46 pm EST

TD: if they can bribe Vegas to take Andrew Ladd they shed $5.5 mill for the next 6 yrs.... Talk about bad contracts RF?

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:28 pm EST

This guy is a bit of a knob, so to speak...but man, if the Isles decide to do this...They'd have to off-load pretty much most of their assets...and they still wouldn't have a goaltender...I don't know what the F Snow is thinking... RumorBreak @RumorBreak Isles have inquired about JVR, Eberle and Duchene. Don't be shocked if they acquire 2 of 3.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:24 pm EST

Here's a little bit of a late Monday afternoon surprise: I agree with Hospo. Somewhat. Was thinking this myself...but Doan could easily be Ryan Malone Pt. 2. And I'm not sure what he has left in the way of wheels.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 4:07 pm EST

I'd pass on Doan. Last season when I saw him he had definitely lost a step and was pretty slow out there. I think that the Doan boat came and went. But did I ever want him on the New York Rangers when he was a Jet. Real sad that a good % of his career flew under the radar but he was a hell of a hockey player for a long time.

E


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:44 pm EST

DOAN can provide leadership as well as grit/size, talent, and intensity around the net..Nowhere near what he used to be, but could still be a good get on a one-year contract for teams with Cup aspirations.

Hospo


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:44 pm EST

LB gets half a cookie for identifying STEPAN as "chum for the slick," that's about it....... We here get to say what we're fishing for, not LB! At least not until he gets the RFC Admin some paid banner ad's from uncle Rupert..... Where are the paid banner ad's LB?

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:33 pm EST

That's what you get for being loyal.... Per Sarah McLellan‏Verified account @azc_mclellan .... Doan's agent, Terry Bross, said Doan is excited to enter free-agent market. Doan's agent thinks Doan "more so than ever" now wants to play.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:33 pm EST

Doan can sign with Vegas and take a Puddle Jumper, I mean Oasis Jumper back home, it's well worth the couple of millions............. St.Legs: Nobody can own the great and powerful "Traderator" for it is available to all.........

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:24 pm EST

Coyotes' Shane Doan: Leaning toward playing one more season by RotoWire Staff..... http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/coyotes-shane-doan-leaning-toward-playing-one-more-season/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:56 pm EST

TD.... From what I've read, I got the impression that Doan only wanted to play one more season. Kind of odd.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:40 pm EST

Well, one-time Wall darling Shane DOAN is hitting the market. Yotes said they won't have him back...

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:37 pm EST

NYStranger - Just to be clear, it's not JUST Gorton. And in truth, the delay in action might have almost nothing to do with him personally. I look at the situation the Rangers are in and the absolute worst-case scenario is that they lose ONE roster player...I think in terms of the team, the biggest blow would be to lose GRABNER...and then after him, RAANTA...I think the most valuable guys in terms of other teams are FAST and LINDBERG, either of which if we lost for nothing would suck...but wouldn't really impact the team in any sort of noticeable manner...Look at the Wild: They're going to lose either DUMBA or SCANDELLA, which is kind of the equivalent of us losing SKJEI, for nothing unless the do a deal with Vegas in the next few hours. And then there's the Islanders...popular rumor is they've got a deal worked out, which is why they have STROME, DeHAAN and NELSON(not to mention, CZSIKUS exposed...but I also read that Snow COULDN'T get one done...and that essentially, they're at the mercy of LV now...and as much, will need to pay dearly. The Rangers aren't going to get out of this without a little pain...but in terms of NHL GMs, they're sitting in a pretty good situation even if LV doesn't do a deal with them.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:31 pm EST

Oh, BTW, i Was flipping the channels the other night for the first time in weeks and on some show on TNT there was a character called UNCLE DADDY (played by the EPA guy from Breaking Bad)...Gotta love the Garden and the inventive chants/nicknames..

Hospo


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:30 pm EST

Whoa: Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey LeBrun: "Going into Saturday night, Minnesota didn't have anything worked out w/ Vegas." #mnwild #GoldenKnights

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:26 pm EST

Steve Zipay Retweeted SinBin.vegas @SinBinVegas · Jun 18 "There were no surprises with the lists." -McPhee

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 2:23 pm EST

Irving

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:53 pm EST

Yes?

tlats


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:49 pm EST

tlats.....

NYStranger


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:48 pm EST

that's that would require Gorther to do actual work...mf, I knew I forgot about that loophole...huumm

NYStranger


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:40 pm EST

Round and round they go where they stop nobody knows.... yet... if ifs and buts were candy and nuts .... Irving is the mooferator at warp 9 ....? ....

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:38 pm EST

The league has turned into a joke. I have been in fantasy football leagues that have been run better than Bettman and all involved run the NHL.

DREW


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:32 pm EST

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2017/06/19/how-derek-stepan-dangle-could-evolve-into-rangers-blockbuster/amp/

tlats


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:14 pm EST

Hey Gorton, if you or your minions read this Wall (like they should) get the 3rd or 4th draft pick and make sure you get Vilardi...... This is a perfect year to trade down.... Lot's of Distraction from the Expansion Draft, slip in there....

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:10 pm EST

NYStranger: have you factored in "a team retaining part of a salary" into that equation? :-)

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 1:02 pm EST

Hospo: My understanding is that LV can arrange for trades involving them up until Wednesday and then all the other teams can trade again.

Ranger47


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:51 pm EST

OK, I admit I haven't kept up with this fringe player farce and expansion draft stuff, but I thought there was a trade freeze up till Wednesday? Or can only LV legally deal with somebody? Or are these behind the scene deals McPhee is talking about?...Either way, it's all bush league crap..

Hospo


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:48 pm EST

Oh man, with how Gorther likes to wait until the last minute to make deals. I hope they are not out to lunch until Wednesday....

NYStranger


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:42 pm EST

McPhee just said today is the last day he's going to hold the other 30 teams in the NHL hostage...wants deals done today, otherwise not at all.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:40 pm EST

Too bad it is not like the old days and money could be used as part of transactions. Then you really could pay protection money!

NYStranger


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:13 pm EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/with-expansion-draft-lists-set-mcphee-listening-to-offers-for-additional-protection

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 12:02 pm EST

E: TOTALLY AGREE, IF McFee betrays the trust of 1, he betrays the trust of all, they won't trade with him in the future, so IMO there IS some leverage from the owners side......

mf


Mon Jun 19 2017 11:50 am EST

The GMs are a good ole boys club. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the trades are done already, the sequence set and a bunch of gentlemens handshakes made. Just gotta wait to sign off the transactions and notify the league, agents/players, and the PA.

E


Mon Jun 19 2017 9:16 am EST

stevie: The NHLPA expands by 23 players or more.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:55 am EST

Rf if each team is getting $17 mil for one player maybe the NHL should put that deal in every year for every team . The players get nothing for this . Next cba should demand a piece. The owners could get $17 mil for an exposed player if picked . Not a bad deal for them .

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:27 am EST

McPhee holding all the cards - I think now I understand why so little happened prior to the freeze. If say, Gorton was demanding from the Jets a first rounder for Raanta, wouldn't the Jet GM be wiser to hold off and see what he can negotiate from McPhee to get the Showers to draft Raanta and subsequently flip him to them? If it's possible the return would be less than what Gorton is demanding, then yes. If it doesn't work out, you return to Gorton when the freeze is over and renew the talks again. http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/vegas-holds-trade-cards-expansion-draft-window/

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:02 am EST

And they aren't getting guys for free - they paid $500,000,000 for the right to select teams' 11th best player.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 8:01 am EST

stevie: I believe Vegas picks 6th overall.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:54 am EST

Las Vegas shouldn't just guys for free . There should be some minimum compensation of picks or prospects. And the concept of the nyr have to pay them not to pick a guy is reverse bribery. If they $500 mil was added to the cap even over 5 years the cap would increase over $3 mil automatically. Real expansion would be a team starting with an ahl team for 2 years then getting a NHL team. But buttman knows better and gives the owners a bribe . Does Vegas get picks in the upcoming draft too ?

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:40 am EST

So when Buttman finally finds an owner in Seattle will they repeat this process? Maybe NHL owners will hear so much negativity from their GMs they won't agree and it'll be more difficult for that team. I cannot recall - in previous years did they have trade deadlines before the expansion draft? I suppose they froze the rosters at some point otherwise, how could new teams properly select players. I suspect not like this, however. Probably rosters were frozen on one day, the draft occurred on the next day, and unfrozen immediately at the draft's conclusion. And someone said it right: This is the first time a single team has come in - in the past at least GMs had a chance to barter with more than 1 team to try to lower down the cost of keeping a player (re draft x so I can respond by protecting y - I believe with 2 teams once you lose a player, you get to protect another).

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:33 am EST

Bob: Ahmen brother.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:33 am EST

The case for Raanta to the Jets in that article is precisely what we said on here a few days ago. Now what the author is proposing the Jets give up to get him we didn't really discuss. If a first is available, then I say the deal would have been done before the deadline. I think Gorton had a couple of possibilities underway, possibly with the Jets and a larger deal with Coyotes. All moot of course, if Raanta is selected by the Showers.

rf4l


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:26 am EST

STEVIE-$17 Million per team. The NHL has successfully grown one thing..............the bank accounts of their owners. They have done squat to grow the game in the USA, now will not participate in the Olympics because the players refused to take further CBA haircuts to get it done. The officiating is a joke and changes game by game. The only thing keeping this thing afloat is the amazing nature of the game itself. Even the NHL owners cannot screw it up completely.

Bob


Mon Jun 19 2017 7:15 am EST

The whole point of doing the draft as such is to create a team out of thin air that is instantly competitive. As much as I don't like what's going on with LV and as much as I think this whole episode is really taking this Mickey Mouse league to a level I never thought was possible...the draft rules as they exist will all but ensure Vegas is a competitive team, if not immediately, within a couple years(see, for instance, this mock draft: https://twitter.com/HockeyStatMiner/status/876566977359249408). McPhee, though he is probably second only to Milbury in the running for worst GM in the modern history of the NHL, will have to actively work toward screwing this up to draft a bad team. And even if he does, he'll have more draft picks in the next two drafts than three teams combined...so rules as they are suck balls...but we'll have 30 teams each losing a genuine NHLer...the teams punished the most are those teams that are deepest...But really, the bottom line is everyone will feel this draft the same...the whole scuttlebutt on Saturday was the usual BS from NHL GMs...the craft rules in a purported effort to improve the league and then immediately try to circumvent them...we see this time and time again...only this time, try as they may, they have't been able to do so. And every time they try, the realize their dickering is just ending in the same place: Losing a strong roster player or equivalent assets.

tdchi


Mon Jun 19 2017 6:00 am EST

How much does each of the 30 teams get from the $500 mil ? That will buy plenty of aspirin.

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 19 2017 3:55 am EST

Quote: "That was the bigger surprise yesterday, because we were expecting this mass redistribution of players that really didn't happen, which we were really happy about," McPhee said. ........ NHL GMs are just doing a horrible job. McPhee was scared ****less for teams screwing him. Many teams have protection issues and many teams have a bunch of worthless players taking up protected spots -- McPhee of course feared the GMs would take advantage of this. Nobody did. I have said it for a long time, there is no excuses for how many GMs run their teams. The Cap excuse is just a bad excuse, teams have always had budgets. They are extremely risk advers and so many GMs have zero incentives to make the proper moves even if they include a little risk. I think Gorton is doing his best but he has nobody to dance with. Where is media in all this?

Ola


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:42 pm EST

LGK AHL affiliate will be the Chicago Wolves (formally the STL Blues AHL affiliate) https://www.reviewjournal.com/sports/golden-knights-nhl/golden-knights-ahl-affiliate-to-be-chicago-wolves/

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:09 pm EST

Raanta to Jets Makes Perfect Sense...... http://thehockeywriters.com/antti-raanta-to-winnipeg-jets-makes-sense/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:02 pm EST

The Showers coughed up $500,000,000, way more than their predecessors and those predecessors had so little to choose from, they always sucked, often to the point of setting records for futility. I am guessing Buttman and company lured that winfall cash by promising to give the Showers a better chance at not sucking. And McPhee is taking advantage of it. I am expecting, when this is all said and done, that the Showers will have a slew of picks in the upcoming draft, next year's draft and probably in 2019. They are looking to accumulate assets, those assets primarily being draft picks.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:57 pm EST

Irving you don't talk to moof green that way. I'm smart I can handle things.

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:33 pm EST

Stevie: better send Fredo

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:01 pm EST

Well thought out plan by buttman. Las Vegas is in charge of the league for a few days . Gm's answer to them.

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 5:39 pm EST

This is the weirdest NHL Summer ever!

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 5:34 pm EST

That is correct Bob, LV could do that, and likely will with some players.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 18 2017 4:27 pm EST

Yes. So IF Arizona really wanted Raanta, Vegas could end up with whatever they are willing to give up.

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 4:22 pm EST

Lot's of situations unfolding as a result of this Expansion Draft.... It sure looks like result is the continued evolution towards parity as the lower tiered teams are exposing lower tiered talent.... Another result is that Cap strapped teams just may get lucky enough to negotiate away a contract that will now give them some wiggle room such as the Oilers & Poiliot (something like $4mill) Hags, another $4mill, the Isles may be willing to pay up to get rid of the Andrew Ladd contract (6 years remaining at $5.5 per OMG) you get the point..........

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 4:11 pm EST

This means if you're a team that wants one of these players, you now have to top those offers..... Per NHLNumbers‏ @NHLnumbers ..... So far, VGK reportedly has deals to not take... - NYI (Cizikas, Bailey) - CBJ (Korpisalo, Johnson, Anderson) - ANA (Vatanen, Manson)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 4:09 pm EST

BOB.... I loathe Philly, but if we get to keep Fast, Grabner and Lindberg, I think I might be okay with that.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 4:00 pm EST

Well my issue is that by not finding a deal for say, Raanta, VCegas Niwot holds the cards to get the best deal for him. So what if Vegas takes Raanta nnd deals him to the Flyers. That would suck.

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:42 pm EST

The Expansion Draft is rich in talent on Defense but short on Forwards. With our willingness to move Stepan, we could have the opportunity to drive up his price between Vegas and Arizona(among others). We should also consider the option of dumping Staal on one of them.Vegas, Arizona and Carolina may be our one/only chance to get rid of his contract. They all have to hit the cap floor and at least two of the three will be willing to take on a bad contract. We really have to lean on Staal hard to get him to accept a trade. We should at least try. Of course, that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:17 pm EST

E: I fully expect them to gather a ton of assets during their stretch, and I think they will flip some to turn them into a better player than is exposed int he expansion draft. A player like Stepan perhaps, or Galchenyuk....just because they acquire picks during this process or prospects, or even players, that they will use them or keep them.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:14 pm EST

Almost every deal is going to go thru LV. They'll build their depth thru the expansion draft but they'll build their franchise with picks and trades.

E


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:02 pm EST

WILD... At least when Columbus and Minnesota came into the League you could play them against one other. Now? There is no other game in town. We are at the mercy of the VGK.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:57 pm EST

I know it seems like LV is being nasty by talking to every team....but would it really be better if he just took calls from SOME teams, or NONE? I mean teams are forced to expose players, if its really important to them to NOT lose a guy isn't LV doing them favor by giving them the chance to save him? LV could just take the best guy off each roster and to hell with what the GMs of those teams want....this is probably the fairest way to do this....well other than just not talking to anyone. But teams now have a choice, give up something extra to keep a guy (essentially trading for him from another team) or keep their assets and risk losing a guy they like. Any other way they have zero choice.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:52 pm EST

Vegas Golden Knights‏Verified account @GoldenKnights ..... George McPhee says he has not yet pulled the trigger on any trades.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:48 pm EST

Oops, That was a misteak.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:46 pm EST

Craig Morgan‏Verified account @craigsmorgan ..... Coyotes get a 3rd round pick that becomes a 2nd if Flames make the playoffs, Brandon Hickey and rights to Chad Johnson.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:33 pm EST

Blueshirt Bulletin‏ @NYRBlueBulletin ....... Replying to @NYRBlueBulletin Rangers currently have $13,363,889 in cap space. If Klein retires, number goes up to $16,263,889........ Per the NHL Public Relations‏Verified account @PR_NHL ..... NHL/NHLPA announce Team Payroll Range for 2017-18: Lower Limit: $55.4 million.... Adjusted Midpoint: $65.2 million..... Upper Limit: $75 million.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:21 pm EST

MF.... SCORE! ..... Per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ..... More NHL/NHLPA announce $75 M cap for next season, up from $73 M this past year

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:19 pm EST

JMO, But if we can't swing a deal with VGK to take Holden, we can probably deal him after the trade deadline to a team that lost a D-man in the Expansion Draft for some kind of pick.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 1:48 pm EST

And Pa Cartwright was a transvestite to the rumours went...

Rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 1:41 pm EST

Hospo: Now you're being ridiculous! Everyone knows it was Hop Sing and Little Joe...

Ranger47


Sun Jun 18 2017 1:32 pm EST

if this absurd farce of an expansion draft is meaningless enough, now I have to read about Dan Blocker being the sexiest? OTOH, suuposedley he and Hop Sing had an affair for 10 years..

Hospo


Sun Jun 18 2017 1:01 pm EST

NY Stranger: I agree. This is why they should have expanded with two teams so as not to give one expansion team such an advantage!

ColoradoMark


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:35 pm EST

Nick.... In Peggy's defense we're talking about Dan Blocker, the sexiest of all the Cartwright boys.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:34 pm EST

LV could ice a pretty good squad from the available guys. Of course hiring a good-ol-boy's-club hack like McPhee might hold them back a bit. I swear you just cannot fail downward in this league. These GMs and coaches are like Peg Bundy at a yard sale. There's always someone to buy the Hoss Cartwright Memorial Ceramic Lamp with the hat cracked.

Nick


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:29 pm EST

This has turned into such bullshit. And I hope it backfires on Buttman and his cronies. So LV essentially will be able to hold each team hostage and try to wiggle out of them not only a player but a package. Assinine. I hope they fail miserably as a franchise and it starts the house of cards that is the NHL to collapse. Let's see how many fixed games we see....

NYStranger


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:16 pm EST

Vegas Golden Knights‏Verified account @GoldenKnights.... "We will not make a claim from a club before we talk to that club."--McPhee

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:11 pm EST

S/B traderator

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 12:10 pm EST

Tradestar working a deal Stepan to the Knucks

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:58 am EST

I don't care if MIN left their defenseman exposed. There is a deal in place. Whether that is going to be thru LV who knows but MIN isn't just walking away.

E


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:54 am EST

TD.... There is no plan B, Less expensive guys for LGK to take. They get one pick per team and my guess is that they will look at them all costing the same. I believe their asking price will be the same for Vatanen as it would be for Bogosian. That is unless they are also willing to take players along with a pick. Would Hayes, Holden and a first be enough to get Vatanen and protect the rest of our guys? Maybe, maybe not. When you have a bidding war amongst 30 GM's prices could get stupid. Look at the trade deadline every year.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:19 am EST

Zach BOGOSIAN is another Plan B. If the idea is to sign SHATTENKIRK, Bogo would be a good second stringer on the right side.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:15 am EST

rf4L.... RAANTA could go for a lot more AFTER the draft. Before the draft, you'd still have to leave him exposed and hope he doesn't get picked by VGK, after the draft, you know you're definitely getting him. That's probably why the NYR weren't getting offered much for him. I can't think of too many teams that were willing to protect him over another goalie.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:09 am EST

Christian DJOOS, Par's son, who is a very promising blueliner for Hershey(58 points last year) is also exposed. He's another I'd love to get a crack at.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:06 am EST

Say who?

Rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:04 am EST

GRACHEV exposed!!

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:03 am EST

Man...and someone was lamenting about the Rangers' losing a good player for nothing...well look at who the Sens' have exposed...There are a lot of teams that are going to lose a good player this week.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 11:01 am EST

Rhet0ric - Of course not. But I would certainly take Miller on my blueline. My thinking it that if DUMBA and VATANEN cost the sun and the moon, Miller would be an excellent plan B.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:59 am EST

And as for the Isles...man...I'm not sure what LVK is taking to ignore their player list...but if it's only a first rounder, they're nuts...No idea why the protected PELECH...even POLUCK...neither one is worth a first rounder or losing the players they left unprotected...Mark my words: There is a crazy deal that is about to go down here with the Isles...I don't think the first rounder is the only one who gets moved...simply put, the Isles' exposed list makes no sense...and if the goal is just to give them a first rounder to not grab any of those big names...NELSON, DeHAAN, STROME or BAILY...then Snow is even dumber than I thought.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:59 am EST

TD.... You'd want Miller over Manson, Dumba or Vatanen?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:51 am EST

Whoa...Bruins left Colin MILLER unprotected. Righty defenseman with an absolute CANNON for a shot.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:26 am EST

Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger..... Interestingly, the Islanders protect 5 D and 3 Forwards. Source indicates Isles will give up a 1st round pick to keep Vegas off forwards.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:10 am EST

Curious: with Dumba and Vatanen available, do the NYR work out a deal for one and also at the same time protect the guys they want to protect?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:05 am EST

I would not take MAF if I were Vegas. I would take Hags,

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 10:03 am EST

Gord Miller‏Verified account @GMillerTSN.... By my count, seven NHL teams went 8 skaters 1G in order to protect extra D: Ari, Fla, LA, Nas, NJ, NYI, Pit. All others are 7F, 3D, 1G.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:55 am EST

Carl Hagelin must be happy that MAF waived his NMC and is also on the list.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:49 am EST

rf4l... I mentioned Jimmy Hayes being left unprotected weeks ago. It was no secret.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:48 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl-reveals-protection-lists-ahead-of-expansion-draft-1.782246

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:48 am EST

One alternative is that if Vegas signs Brendan Smith as an UFA by Wednesday, we don't lose anyone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:43 am EST

Zach Bogosian unprotected.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:43 am EST

Kevin Hayes' older brother unprotected.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:40 am EST

Hagelin unprotected. Interesting. Is it in hopes his $4,000,000 is taken or is it simply a numbers thing?

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:37 am EST

Bob: Fully agree, unless there's a deal in place to flip Raanta elsewhere after selecting him.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:37 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun..... Tough but right call for Detroit to leave Kronwall unprotected. Huge respect for the player but have to look long term.... Sam Carchidi‏Verified account @BroadStBull ..... In major surprise, Flyers protect Laughton!.....

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:35 am EST

If I were Vegas, I would take Lindberg off the Rangers list.

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:34 am EST

To very little surprise... Holden was protected. Maybe a deal with Vegas is coming.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:32 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 23s24 seconds ago More Grabner, Puempel, Fast, Raanta, Klein, Lindberg among those unprotected by the Rangers

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:32 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 57s58 seconds ago More Bryan Rust, C. Hagelin, T. Kuhnhackl, S. Wilson, Ian Cole. M-A Fleury among those unprotected by the Penguins.... Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday 1m1 minute ago More #Isles leave Nelson, Strome, de Haan unprotected. Would indicate there's a deal in place to keep Vegas away from those three.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:29 am EST

Per Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ..... FLA protects Reimer in goal. NYI only team to protect 5D -- Boychuk, Hamonic, Leddy, Pelech, Pulock.... Per Craig Morgan‏Verified account @craigsmorgan .... Coyotes protected players for NHL Expansion Draft: Cousins, Duclair, Martinook, Rieder, Ekman-Larsson, Goligoski, Murphy, Schenn, Johnson..... Per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ..... JT Brown, Cedric Paquette, Jake Dotchin, Jason Garrison among those left unprotected by Tampa Bay

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:28 am EST

BTW, I assume there's nothing to prevent Gorton from calling McPhee and saying 'I'll send you Ryan Graves for futures after the draft if you bypass selecting xxxx'.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:27 am EST

Bob: Quite possible, depending of course, on what other d-men they end up with. Dumba is young and therefore, a player they could arguably look to keep longer term.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:26 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun .....Believe that Habs submitted this protected list: Byron, Danault, Drouin, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Pacioretty, Shaw, Benn, Petry, Weber, Price..... which means exposed are the likes of Plekanec, Hudon, Davidson, Emelin plus of course UFAs like Markov and Radulov...... Per Darren Dreger‏Verified account @DarrenDreger.... Leafs: Fehr, Ben Smith, Marchenko, Marincin and Sparks available. No surprise..... Available Oilers: Pouliot, Pakarinen, Fayle and Brossoit.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:25 am EST

Rhet: If all Raanta can fetch is a 3rd rounder, then I concur. It'll be a lot of venting from me, however, if he's selected the subsequently traded for a 1st rounder!

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:25 am EST

Maybe Vegas takes Dumba and trades him to the Rangers.

Bob


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:24 am EST

Vic: LOL...what would be nice is seeing Gorton trading him - even if he only fetches a pair of 3rd rounders that's better than him walking away from zippo next July. I think it was wild who mused his value might be the highest at the deadline next February when his cap hit is relatively insignificant. Unless the Rangers are cup contenders I'll be surprised not to see him moved between now and the deadline. It's going to be interesting I think to see what Gorton does between Thursday and Saturday of this week. There were so many Stepan rumours out there and being reported by what I know are usually reliable sources, not for a second do I believe Gorton isn't looking to move him. Who else might be on the block remains to be seen. A package of Raanta and Stepan to the Yotes has some logic behind it, especially seeing as the Yotes have no number 1 goalie now. Of course, the Showers selecting Raanta will likely serve to reset those talks.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:22 am EST

Rick Carpiniello‏ @RickCarpiniello ..... Lot of speculating Raanta will be taken, then traded. Could happen. I think that's better for NYR than losing Lindberg, Fast or Grabner.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:21 am EST

And as for STEPAN, his fate was sealed the moment he yelled at SKINNY JEANS to "Calm Down!". Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, shows up SKINNY JEANS and lives to tell about it. STEPAN became an ex-Ranger the second the playoffs were over. A Dead Man Walking. We just don't know which other team he will be playing on next year......

Vic


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:19 am EST

TD: You may be on to something re so many convoluted deals with the Showers made it difficult for teams to trade pre-draft.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:18 am EST

RF4L: LOL.......but No. NASH's departure will be met by a chorus of "at least it is over" comments......

Vic


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:14 am EST

Vic: Will you be looking for a similar article from LB when Rick Nash's Ranger days are done? ;^)

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:12 am EST

I find it difficult to believe the Wild couldn't find anyone to take Dumba, even it's a 2nd rounder, which is better than losing him for nothing. The only explanation I can think of is that by exposing both him add Scandella they can only lose one and therefore, the other will be on the team in the fall. If they traded away Dumba then they risk losing Scandella thereby creating 2 holes on their backline.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:11 am EST

As for the expansion draft and all of this trade rumor mongering......Yawn. Wake me when it is over. And if half of the Rangers team is traded away come July 1, then great. Most of the bags of puss wearing that jersey don't deserve to be here anyway.

Vic


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:10 am EST

LARRY: Thank you for the great article on GIRARDI this morning. There are very few players throughout my lifetime that I can look back on and think of them as Ranger Royalty. Guys that gave 100 percent of their body and heart to this team with no thought of self preservation. Guys who it would never have crossed their mind to make a "Business Decision" as DEION SANDERS so famously explained when he was asked why he wouldn't sacrifice his body to make a tackle on a big running back. GRAVES will always be very high on that list. But if there was anyone who gave more of himself it was GIRARDI. Thanks again DAN for always giving more of yourself then anyone had a right to expect.

Vic


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:08 am EST

Rhet: Yes mickey mouse for sure, led by that little rodent Gary Buttman.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:06 am EST

TD: I don't disagree, hence my previous post.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:05 am EST

IMO right now Skjei is better than Sergachev and therefore, suggests that Gorton never offered him up.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:05 am EST

RF - The criticism is that a bird in hand is better than two in the bush. SERGACHOV could end up being nothing...a total zero...DROUIN is already a top-6 forward in the NHL. Admittedly, I no more expect Sergachov to be a zero than I do Drouin to zero out...but that's the thinking...can certainly pick out many deals in the NHL in which a team gave up an established NHL player for prospects and the team that got the prospects came up empty.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:04 am EST

This is why the NHL is a Mickey Mouse organization..... NHL Public Relations‏Verified account @PR_NHL ....... UPDATE: The NHL will announce Available/Protected Lists for the 2017 NHL Expansion Draft today at 10:30 a.m. ET. #VegasDraft

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:03 am EST

TD.... Again, it's been reported by many that Steve Yzerman REALLY coveted Mikhail Sergachev. He considered him to be the single best asset he was offered for Drouin. Per Yzerman "ultimately our biggest need and our biggest goal was to acquire a puck-moving, young defenseman and we were able to do that." Only time will tell just how good Sergachev is.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:01 am EST

So just to demonstrate how un-fucking-believably complex this expansion draft is getting, this is apparently the deal the Vegas Knights have in place for VATANEN: The Ducks will ask BIEKSA to waive his NTC, so the Knights will take him at the draft. In exchange for that courtesy, they will get Vatanen...AND...will draft a player the Ducks want from someone else's roster...Crazy, huh? So basically, this is why no GM in his right mind would deal with anyone other than Vegas unless the deal is too good to be true.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 9:00 am EST

I don't get any criticism being leveled at Yzerman for that deal. Yes I get the risk in that Drouin has shown he can play in the NHL and the Russian kid hasn't but the latter, according to all the experts, is a surefire NHLer. What remains to be seen is how good he'll eventually be. Two other things: 1) Drouin has to be protected and the Russian kid doesn't. 2) Drouin was set for a significant raise (which he got) and that money simply wasn't there under the Bolts projected cap. Skjei and a first for Drouin is intriguing and I'd say a better offer than what they got. I'd not offer it. Skjei is developing into a top pairing d-man - for me it's a one for one.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:52 am EST

melvillefred - I hear you on DROUIN...I asked this a couple days ago: Would you have moved SKJEI and a first for Drouin? I think that would essentially be the equivalent of what the Canadians did...SERGACHEV is pretty much regarded as a can't-miss prospect...He's big, he's fast, and he's mean...and Yzerman is drooling over seeing him and HEDMAN as his tandem for the next half-decade...I gave Montreal a huge advantage in this deal...but the more I think about it, the more I see why Yzerman did it...if Sergachev because half the player most expect him to be, Tampa will have an almost impenetrable first pairing...and Drouin...well...he can be hit or miss. He's one of the highly touted stars from the CHL that did a gigantic belly flop when it came to the world stage...a guy that could score goals at will against weak teams, but who vanished when the going got tough...And those types of players really give me pause to question what they'll be like when everything is on the line in the playoffs.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:51 am EST

TD: Maybe they did but with no 2nd or 3rd rounder available they were never in the race.

rf4l


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:43 am EST

One deal I noticed that got my head scratching was another Montreal deal: BEAULIEU for a third rounder...Canadians did the deal rightly assuming he was going to be picked in the expansion draft...if I were the Rangers, however, THAT would have been a deal I would have explored...Beaulieu is a very good young defenseman...actually reminds me a bit of SKJEI...he's another guy who has been chewed up and spit out by the prospect-killing Montreal Canadians...I would have grabbed him and protected him with G's spot...then explored the option of moving Skjei for a top RHS defender...or better yet, a way to move STAAL so they'd have McD-Skjei-Beaulieu down the left. That's a scary fast left side...oh well...BERGVIN is showing he's got brass balls and a pea brain trading prospects within his own division. One of these two deals he did will come back to haunt him.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:36 am EST

My thoughts on the trade freeze? Well, this is what happens when one GM has all the cards and decides not to show any of them. You want to blame someone for a lack of action? Well, his name is George McPHEE. The deals that were done were almost no brainers. The SMITH deal shows you what the Rangers likely would have gotten for RAANTA: A third rounder, B-prospect(and that's being very generous) and a UFA backup goalie...and if that's the going rate...I would rather the Rangers simply keep him...do they risk losing him? Certainly...but he's arguably the fourth most valuable player they stand to expose, first, second and third being LINDBERG, FAST, and GRABNER respectively...Hate to say this, because Raanta, like his predecessor, TALBOT, is ultimately replaceable. And I think the Rangers could grab any number of goalies to serve as a serviceable backup who can play 30...I think a lot of Wallsters got caught up in the trade hype and are losing sight of the ball: THE most critical part of this off-season is rebuilding the once formidable Ranger D. There is nothing that trumps this goal...if they can get a genuine first pairing RHS D-man and/or a puck mover on the right side, they can put HALVERSIEVE or SKAPSKI in net and still win games...I'm very glad the Rangers appear to being doing their due diligence with trading STEPAN...there was talk about them doing something similar to the BRASSARD deal...getting younger and cheaper...I don't think that's a good decision with Step...A deal that moves Step needs to make this team appreciably better...and the more I think about it, the less I think any deal with the Yotes would do that...The Yotes have an impressive array of very talented forwards...This kid Clayton KELLER could very well be a Patrick KANE-type player...that's how talented he is...and DOMI...man, I've drooled over the idea of seeing him in blue since back when he was playing midgets...and I've mentioned MURPHY a number of times here...thought he was who the Rangers should have grabbed instead of SMITH...BUT...there's no saying the Yotes want to part with any of those guys...likely not...and even if they did, well...all of them...even Domi to a degree...are still young players who need time to develop...they're not 'win-now' guys...the GIRARDI buyout...I don't know why this would make anyone sour outside of those few people who wanted the Rangers to keep him...Gorton tore the bandage off...he did it as respectfully as the Rangers could...they took a few weeks after their last game, decided he wasn't coming back and ended it. Why would it be better for them to hold onto him for another couple weeks? At the very least, this means they can protect HOLDEN or SMITH...in the case of Holden, this is important. There was a rumor about a deal being worked on in which the Rangers agree to expose Holden and then exchange picks to LV so they draft him, and not Raanta or a forward...Well guess what? They didn't have that leverage before the Girardi buyout. Now they do. If LV wants Holden in the draft...and there's an outside chance they do...they need to convince the Rangers to leave him exposed...it doesn't give Gorton a lot of leverage...but some where he had none before...Now keep in mind...THAT deal can go down any time before now and the draft...and given McPhee's silence on ALL deals, there's a chance it already did...bottom line is if you're salty about the Rangers' not making a big splash or drastically altering their lineup, you're not seeing the big picture.

tdchi


Sun Jun 18 2017 8:09 am EST

Harvey Fialkov‏ @hfialkov ...... Acc to source Panthers protect Huberdeau,Barkov,Trocheck,Bjugstad,Ekblad,Yandle,Petro,Pysyk,Luongo

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 7:48 am EST

Very disappointed that Drouin ended up with the "Haps". Would have loved having that kid.

melvillefred


Sun Jun 18 2017 7:24 am EST

Per Michael Russo‏Verified account @Russostrib .... Told #mnwild has exposed Eric Staal, meaning Jason Zucker protected. I also expect Brodin protected.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 7:13 am EST

Bruce Garrioch‏Verified account @SunGarrioch ..... Marc Methot will be exposed in expansion draft as Senators can't deal Phaneuf http://ottawacitizen.com/sports/hockey/nhl/senatorsextra/marc-methot-likely-to-be-exposed-in-expansion-draft-as-senators-cant-deal-phaneuf/ … #Sens #ottsports

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 18 2017 7:05 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/why-dan-girardi-always-will-be-considered-rangers-royalty/

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 6:41 am EST

Goodnights will negotiate with teams before claiming any unprotected players . ..Irving . Moof don't go there....

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 5:11 am EST

Irving did you buy the slapper? It's not only for waking you up from sleeping. Get 2 for price of 1 just pay extra shipping and handling.

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 5:07 am EST

Happy Fathers Day to all you Dads out there...

wiosa


Sun Jun 18 2017 5:03 am EST

Irving do the Moof math 11or 9 .. 3D means 3 defensemen not 3 dimensional. .. can't be many teams opting for 8 over 10 ..

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:14 am EST

mf: that's a good question that I have been unable to find the answer to. I wonder if the rule makers even considered a team would t want to protect the max number of players.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 18 2017 3:13 am EST

Rhet: in regards to Brooks. Maybe social media has just allowed us to see into the world he lives in....

Wildcard


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:32 am EST

http://www.tsn.ca/report-jets-d-enstrom-waives-nmc-1.781910

mf


Sun Jun 18 2017 2:13 am EST

http://nypost.com/2017/06/18/why-dan-girardi-always-will-be-considered-rangers-royalty/

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:26 pm EST

evets: that's not what I'm asking, we know that the Rangers are choosing to go: 7/3/1, but "must they protect 3 defensemen as opposed to protecting "2" defensemen" is the question? t/y

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:20 pm EST

Any of us could have thrown this one up against the wall. The only question mark is the third D.... Per Rick Carpiniello‏ @RickCarpiniello ..... No leaks from NYR, but this should be protected list: Stepan, Nash, Zuccarello, Kreider, Zibanejad, Hayes, Miller, McDonagh, Staal, Holden, Lundqvist

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:05 pm EST

Eric Francis‏ @EricFrancis ...... Confirming Calgary's protected list: Gaudreau, Monahan, Ferland, Backlund, Frolik, Bennett, Lazar, Giordano, Brodie, Hamilton, Smith.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:57 pm EST

WILD.... I wouldn't say he lost anything. To me, that's just Brooks being Brooks, living in Brooks world. Population: one :)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:51 pm EST

Rhet: I think Brooks lost his ability Robert inside info on the Rangers some time ago. He has far more misses than hits the last couple years. That and he has lost all objectivity in his writing. I mean on twitter today he is all upset because LV is making deals and not always taking the best player from each team. He thinks that flys in the face of them being competitive.But that is so short sighted it hurts. Teams will not want to lose, let's say a Stepan or Hayes type player for nothing in expansion...that doesn't mean they won't take a couple picks and a young player or two in return. I mean if at he Draft Vegas calls the Rangers and says, we will give you 2 firsts and a 2nd rounder for Stepan...if you are the Rangers you jump on that because you can use those picks to trade for a young D from a team that may not want Step. Brooks has lost all ability to use his brain it seems...he is so focused on creating things to work people up that he sucks as a writer anymore.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:36 pm EST

I am surprised Brooks doesn't have the 411 on the NYR protected list yet... Per Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey ....... NEWS Friedman | "I think there has been a lot of conversation about Galchenyuk. I think Marc Bergevin has a lot of irons in the fire." .....https://www.fanragsports.com/news/friedman-think-lot-conversation-about-galchenyuk/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:26 pm EST

mf... I'm pretty sure teams have two protection options: Option 1 - 7 F, 3 D, 1 G or Option 2 - 8 Skater, 1 G. It doesn't make sense for the Rangers to use the latter. Rhet... you're right... it would makes sense for the Rangers to protect Smith's rights if they want Vegas to take Holden.

evets1980


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:20 pm EST

Oh it's so damn confusing I need more wine!!

Rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:06 pm EST

evets1980: do the rules say that "it is mandatory" to protect 3 defensemen if you choose the 7/3/1 route, or does it say you can protect "up to" 3 defensemen? t/y

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 7:46 pm EST

JMO, buy If you think Vegas has interest in Holden, you protect him. If you don't think they have interest in Holden, you protect Smith's rights. You don't protect nothing( which protecting Klein would be)..... David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod ....... My understanding, as part of Ducks/Knights expected trade, is Vatanen will end up in Vegas. Other parameters to deal, but that's main part.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 7:36 pm EST

Rhet... The Rangers have to protect three defenseman. They will protect McDonagh and Staal but the final spot, which would have been Girardi's is empty. If the Rangers want Vegas to take Holden, then they can simply protect Klein as he has not yet announced his retirement.

evets1980


Sat Jun 17 2017 7:10 pm EST

Evets.... If Klein is leaning towards retirement, why would we protect him?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 7:06 pm EST

I have a feeling, if Klein is leaning toward ultimate retirement and continuing his career in Europe, that the Rangers may protect Klein as their third Dman and offer something up to Vegas to take Holden. I also think that Stepan to Arizona has legs and that deal will go down before the draft. Additionally, I have a feeling, with Smith on his way to Calgary, that Raanta will be heading to the Coyotes with Stepan, maybe along with another piece like Ryan Graves. In return, I think we'll see some combination of Clayton Keller, Max Domi, Jacob Chychrun, Connor Murphy, Dylan Strome, Christian Dvorak, Anthony Deangelo, Kyle Wood.

evets1980


Sat Jun 17 2017 6:11 pm EST

At this point there are so many possibilities for how trades may happen, with LV being involved and the draft comeing up teams losing guys.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 5:37 pm EST

Isabelle Khurshudyan‏Verified account @ikhurshudyan .... Caps submit their list of protected players tomorrow. Expected to be: Ovi, Backstrom, Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, Johansson, Eller, Wilson, Nickanen, Carlson, Orlov and Holtby.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 5:30 pm EST

The Mayor John Hoven‏ @mayorNHL ..... Can confirm... LA Kings protected Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Forbort (and Quick)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 5:26 pm EST

BTW, that should have read, the AZ newspaper(s) were all over the team getting Stepan this morning telling the team not to blow it I'm kind of surprised that they didn't end up with him. Although, They still might.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 5:24 pm EST

Some of us are being a bit dramatic, no? No one knows what's going on behind the scenes right now, like maybe Vegas told the NYR to hold onto Stepan and/or Raanta because they have a better deal for us. Maybe we decided it was better to lose Raanta than one of our three forwards. The point is that we just don't know. Arizona was all over Stepan this morning telling the team to go out and get him and not to blow it. In regard to Holden, it is possible that the NYR protect Smith's rights instead so Vegas can't talk to him. Lot's could still be going on behind the scenes. Stay tuned.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 3:24 pm EST

Exactly. Girardi got bought out so the Staal-Holden pairing could be preserved for 2017-18.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 3:04 pm EST

Bob: LOL...thanks - I totally overlooked that fact. The G buyout does make sense now...

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 3:03 pm EST

Also, If I wanna vent on here where is stated that I cannot? Ahh, it doesn't. Therefore, if I feel compelled to vent, I will vent. And really, don’t you have more important things to get hot and bothered vs what I might have to say in here. That said, I am cognizant of the fact that many of my posts are thought provoking, not to mention utterly brilliant and therefore, they aren’t easy to ignore. But, if they do make you sick, here’s another one of my gems to ponder: Don't read them!

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:59 pm EST

Look at the bright side. Nick Holden will be protected now! So we have that going for us.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:47 pm EST

ola: Concur - it's life in a hard capped world.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:46 pm EST

Damn, everybody jumping the gun or doing the I told you so crap...Just wait until Wednesday..And who gives a shit if they lose a decent player..BFD..It's the way accroosss the League..I didn't see Minnesota trading Dumba or Brodinn..Patience

Hospo


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:45 pm EST

So the flurry of action we would see before the ED turned out to be ....... two trades? It's just a systematic flaw how NHL teams are managed right now. Zero initiative for GMs to take any risks. Teams would have benefitted from more wheeling and dealin. The Cap is a (poor) excuse in many ways. There is no pressure on anyone to win with the cap. And GMs can blame lack of action on it. They never have to do anything. If they build towards the future many of these guys will keep their job for a decade at least. It's a good job, many don't want to take any risks. Making a trade can potentially make you look bad.

Ola


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:44 pm EST

Whatever ya nob. Go stroke your Gorther doll.

Rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:42 pm EST

RF4L: NO, its tiring watching you cry about every thing the Rangers do. IF they had made a trade you would be crying about who they traded, what they got. Hell I have said it before. They could have traded Miller and a 5th rounder for MacKinnon and Barrie and you would say they were stupid for trading away Miller and a 5th rounder is still a draft pick, and that if the AVS gave up on MacKinnon and barrie that they must suck....nothing would make you happy....Today the Rangers didn't make a rash decision, and didn't make a poor move, but its cause for you to cry....

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:36 pm EST

Wild...shut the phuck up.

Rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:34 pm EST

Ranger47: That has been talked about I have seen...if lets say the Rangers want a player that is exposed (a D for instance) they could expose Hayes and that could be the "compensation" along with a 2nd or something like that for LV to take that D and then trade him to the Rangers once the freeze lifts....so many wheels could be in motion right now, I can't imagine how complex trade discussions have been, much more so than a normal deadline or draft lead up.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:31 pm EST

Bob: That was going to happen 100% unless the Rangers pay dearly (think 1st rounder) to have them pick Holden or something like that. One of Fast, Lindberg, or Raanta was going to be picked....that has not changed.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:31 pm EST

Could part of this be teams waiting to see who gets exposed before seeing what deal they can work out with LV which might include some of those players?

Ranger47


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:30 pm EST

Drew: Just about every person who does the rumor thing seems to think the Rangers news will pick right up again...also, there is a trade freeze, not a talking or negotiating freeze, deals can be put in place the next couple days and then trade calls could happen early on Thursday once the freeze lifts. I imagine as soon as teams know what they have lost in the expansion they will start talking to replace guys. I mean, a team losing a D may trade for one from a team that lost a F. Raanta, if not selected, would be very valuable to a team that lost their backup, and the Rangers could recoup a lost young F. A team that loses a Center may look to upgrade to Stepan....so many variables, but most people seem to think the Rangers are not done for the offseason...and I would be shocked if they are not trying to make moves all summer.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:30 pm EST

Vegas will take some deals rather than roster guys if it's good for them.... picks prospects....

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:27 pm EST

Goodbye to a good player to Vegas. Exactly what I thought would happen today.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:25 pm EST

I find it difficult to believe that Gorton didn't talk to other GMs. If the offers were not in the best interest of the Rangers, then he probably opted to wait. Twitter and the internet are a blessing and a curse. We have so much access to what "might" happen, we are let down if our GM decides to hold pat.

DREW


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:18 pm EST

RF4L: year after year you cry and whine about bad trades....now you cry because the Rangers didn't just take whatever. Stepan can still be traded once the freeze lifts heading into the draft. If they traded Raanta for chump change then they would guarantee losing a good froward in expansion. Thats why the price was his value plus what they would lose in a forward at expansion. NOW they still have their full assets to recoup what they lose at forward, or to have all those forwards. Trading Raanta for lets say, 2 second rounders and a mid level prospect....then losing Fast or Lindberg would mean giving up Raanta and Fast/Lindberg for 2 seconds and a mid level prospect. You know that you would be up in arms if the Rangers traded Raanta and Fast for 2 seconds and a prospect, absolutely ripping the Rangers brass. Now they are guaranteed to have either their full forward complement OR their top end backup in net, and the ability to move him if they so desire and LV doesn't take him. Losing one instead of both is a "win" as far as I am concerned...

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:17 pm EST

Steve Zipay @stevezipay · 12m So, NHL trade freeze now in effect---except for expansion Vegas--until Thursday, so some deals could trickle in but none expected from NYR

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:14 pm EST

Rf looks like most are waiting on the goodnights

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:13 pm EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 23s NHL teams can resume trading tomorrow morning at 10 ET only if their trading partner is VGK. Otherwise, no deals/signing until Thurs 8 am ET

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:12 pm EST

Surprise! Surprise! Gorther sitting on his hands. Again.

Rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:05 pm EST

Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 2m Roster freeze is now on and NYR did not make a deal before 3 p.m. ET deadline. Not to say they won't when freeze lifts Thursday 8 a.m ET.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:04 pm EST

They can however still make deals with Vegas.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 2:03 pm EST

According to @TSNBobMcKenzie no moves by the Rangers.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:50 pm EST

Got to think based on what we are seeing the LV will have a competitive team even in year 1 with a TON of young prospects and draft picks on top of it all. It's almost like the bottom dwelling teams are getting screwed/bypassed by this form of the expansion draft.

Ranger47


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:47 pm EST

No takers yet for fleury?

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:47 pm EST

R47, looks like all the teams may have a deal in place,

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:46 pm EST

Something brewing with the Ducks?

me33


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:39 pm EST

Unless we have a deal with LV, it's hard to imagine that we will leave Raanta unprotected. Got to think we could get more than the equivalent of Grabner, Lindberg or Fast for him....

Ranger47


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:25 pm EST

So, Stepan, Hayes, Miller or Nash and our 1st, for, the Twins (37 years old) Horvat and their 1st, which is the #4 pick...

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:22 pm EST

StLegd, get in the kitchen you have 40 minutes

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:21 pm EST

Sedins

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:21 pm EST

NHL nothing hamburger league

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:21 pm EST

TD, a short while ago I believe you brought up Bo Horvat... Can't help but think about him in a NYR Jersey.... Bet Vancouver would give the Second a chance to play on a contender

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:19 pm EST

Raanta to Calgary didn't make sense to begin with so no surprise there. Could he be moving to the Yotes?

Rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:01 pm EST

Mike Smith to CAL!

NV94


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:01 pm EST

Nevermind... Coyotes Goalie Smith to FLames.... rumour. GOtchya..

schneidw


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:59 pm EST

wait.. what? Smith to Flames???

schneidw


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:55 pm EST

What a waste of draft picks for Smith!!!

NV94


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:46 pm EST

With Smith off to Calgary, I wonder if it opens a Stepan and Raanta to Arizona deal.

evets1980


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:40 pm EST

Looks like Raanta going there is out

tlats


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:40 pm EST

Smith to Calgary looks done

tlats


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:36 pm EST

Tavares will sign w NYRs... just wait.

schneidw


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:30 pm EST

2 Million Cap increase from what I heard a few days ago.

ColoradoMark


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:20 pm EST

So with all this anticlimactic activity being announced, could it be that the teams are all cutting behind the scenes deals with LV and shying away from trading?

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:17 pm EST

Another part off of my bargain basement acquisitions: Micheal Ferland. He is a pain in the ass.

E


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:14 pm EST

A look at the NYR's # of F/O Stats (Regular Season): Stepan: 1522, Hayes 968, Z'Bad 950, Lindberg 575, Miller 357, Pirri 243

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:12 pm EST

A look at Minny's Centers # of F/O stats: Koivu 1699, E.Staal 1174, Haula 750, Graovac 343, Hanzal 296, Coyle 248, Granlund 33, Nino 1.......

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 11:51 am EST

There is positively NO way TAVARES reaches free agency, especially if the Isles rejected a trade like the one posted below.

tdchi


Sat Jun 17 2017 11:45 am EST

NYRs: Must trade Stepan! Need to free up cap space and #1 center position for John Tavares next July 1st... Let Nash play out his contract and go free.... at this stage, hope they also can trade Raanta and get something more than Talbot returned... Next season, just got keep the youth movement going and when they can land Tavares as an UFA the NYR overhaul will be complete...

schneidw


Sat Jun 17 2017 11:41 am EST

RumorBreak @RumorBreak Am hearing that MTL, b4 the Drouin trade, contacted the NYI re: Tavares. Was ready to offer Sergachev+Galchenyuk+1st+prospects. NYI said no.

tlats


Sat Jun 17 2017 11:38 am EST

Has anyone heard any news on the potential Cap Increase?

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 11:08 am EST

MINNY: While Coyle, Nino, Granlund, are listed as centers, they play the wing........ With Minny playing these guys on the wind AND the fact that they must trade Defensemen or risk losing them for nada, a trade of a Center for a Defenseman seems ideal for both us & them........ http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=MIN

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:55 am EST

Pierre LeBrun @PierreVLeBrun Lots of teams waiting for lists to be announced Sunday so they can then call Vegas and work out trades for unprotected guys from other teams

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:54 am EST

Think they posted this ...Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 13h ARI, BTW, is one of multiple teams with serious interest in NYR C Derek Stepan.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:53 am EST

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC · 25m Because of protection issues, word is FLA's Jonathan Marchessault is potentially available. 30 goals, great contract.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:49 am EST

You need the slapper for that

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:48 am EST

StLegs, the damn clapper sucks as an alarm clock

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:47 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-look-for-blueline-help-as-draft-deadline-nears-1.13743325

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:43 am EST

HOSPO--We can continue to hope. I am. But it looks like Minnesota needs wingers, not a center. I would love to see Dumba in NY.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:31 am EST

BOB - But the WILD also have to trade one of DUMBA or BRODIN and are a team like the Rangers where the time has past for their core and they need to make a serious change..Not the best fit becasue of players like Staal, Parise,Koivu, Granlund (have no clue about whos a FA), but it still might be doable..Likely not...

Hospo


Sat Jun 17 2017 10:11 am EST

...and the WIld have 7 guys on their roster listed as centers.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:53 am EST

Just looked at the AZ roster. Not much of interest there. Granlund really came on last year and with E, Staal added there, the Step to MN possibility is also less likely. I suspect the Rangers whiff today and lose Raanta or Lindberg to Vegas.

Bob


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:42 am EST

Some noise on twitter that the wild have a deal in place involving one of their defenseman

tlats


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:29 am EST

Oops...isn't an RFA...

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:29 am EST

My understanding is that currently all of Lindberg/Fast/Grabner will be unprotected. The 7 protected forwards will be: Nash (the only mandatory one), Stepan, Kreider, Miller, MZA, Hayes and Z. I believe each team must have at least 2 NHL experienced forwards who are signed available, hence the signing of Pimple. Both Lindberg and Fast are RFAs. That doesn't preclude the Showers from selecting either - I believe the rule is to ensure everyone who's available is a RFA which would be a financial and logistical nightmare.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:22 am EST

TD: I am saying it's the other way around. G was bought out to make room for a d-man before 3PM with Stepan being the main trading chip. Stepan's exit coupled with G's buyout means the new d-man is protected and an additional spot for one of Fast/Lindberg is created. Gorton has/had all summer to buyout G. To me, the rumours are too rampant not to believe Stepan is being shopped, not to mention the various reasons many of us have cited on here to consider moving him. Of course, it could all be smoke and mirrors and by 3PM the team won't have Kevin Hayes anymore.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:22 am EST

Buying girardi out and signing pimples saves 2 other guys to be protected. If they trade stepan do they have to protect who they get if eligible? I still think they hope to trade staal today too. Antii is the piece they might lose unless they made a deal with Vegas.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:13 am EST

RF4L -The GIRARDI buyout is ripping off the Band Aid and doing something they felt they'd have to do anyway. I don't see Gorton moving STEPAN simply because they bought out Girardi. And if you want a conspiracy theory, there was talk on Twitter that the paperwork for the buyout hasn't even been filed yet...and there's still a chance he ends up moved...under this thinking, the buyout was essentially the Rangers saying they're open for business and making it clear that Girardi won't be back with the franchise next season.

tdchi


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:07 am EST

Rumours out there that the Canes are prepared to part with one of their young d-men for Stepan. The Yotes interest is quite prominent out there, too. I think it's more than reasonable to believe Gorton is shopping Stepan and will pull the trigger on what he considered the best return by 3PM. The G buyout this early really doesn't make sense otherwise. Of course, that move doesn't necessarily mean a Stepan trade is automatic - regardless of the buyout fair value needs to be obtained for Stepan. Yes his contract is odorous but he is the team's number 1 center - you cannot just give him away because you might lose Fast or Lindberg. I am beginning to think Gorton has something in place that is basically a 1 for 1 but working at least 1 other larger deal involving more pieces and of course that becomes much more complicated. The problem with working multiple trades with the same asset is one (or more) of the teams he's working with feel the deadline pressure mounting and trade elsewhere. It's a risky exercise that's for sure.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 9:01 am EST

re: the Columbus deal - even more evidence this draft is the weakest in recent memory.

tdchi


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:59 am EST

RF4L - For sure. That's exactly what I was thinking...I wasn't too high on his game either during the World Juniors...didn't seem like an impact player then...I guess you could argue that if the Coyotes are moving him, they see him as more of a project to become a first-line center and they want to reboot the franchise quickly with someone like Step...but without a doubt: Buyer beware on STROME.

tdchi


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:55 am EST

I wonder if fishboy has made a deal with Las Vegas. He's in the hot seat today but only as far as fans are concerned.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:51 am EST

I didn't realize this - the Wild have 3 young D to protect and only 1 spot. They are Jonas Brodin, Mathew Dumba and Marco Scandella. I didn't realize the latter could be available. Will the Wild trade 2 of these guys today? It would suck losing just 1 of them for nothing.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:48 am EST

Wow, if this is true, what a high price to pay: Reports say that Columbus will be sending its first-round pick (24th overall) and a prospect (not Pierre-Luc Dubois or Sonny Milano), to Vegas in order to steer George McPhee towards picking one of William Karlsson, Matt Calvert, or Ryan Murray. This will keep forward Josh Anderson, and goaltending prospect Joonas Korpisalo in the Blue Jackets system.

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:45 am EST

If Strome is available that's another ominous sign IMO. I say that because he allegedly has the prototypical first line NHL figures in terms of size and stats. Why, then, would he be available? Are the Yotes content with a Domi/Stepan first/second center arrangement? I suppose that's possible; at least with Domi you know he's NHL capable. The allure of Strome is understandable - he's coming off a fine junior career. My concern is his skating ability and how he seems to come up short when it really matters (altho he did capture the Memorial Cup MVP award). If the Rangers are after Strome I sure hope they've done their homework. If he develops into a first line NHL centerman, he'd be a fabulous acquisition. If...

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:37 am EST

The Yotes aren't a very good trade partner...but if KELLER or DOMI are in the discussion, I'm listening. Certainly STROME, but I thin there are some major warning signs there...They also have Connor MURPHY, the righty who captained Team USA at the worlds. Kind of the younger, right-handed version of Marc STAAL. If we're trading STEPAN there and not getting EKMAN-LARSSON, getting two of those three would be the only way I'd favor it...I think Kyle WOOD would be a good add to the deal as well...can't see them parting with CHYCHRUN...Anthony DeANGELO is another guy I'd pluck from their roster...But the one guy off their roster I have positively ZERO interest in is the Duke. I'm sorry the Rangers didn't get a more lasting impact out of that deal, but DUCLAIR is a zero. Not sorry at all they moved him.

tdchi


Sat Jun 17 2017 8:32 am EST

Geeesh...still nothing? All this noise and nothing? LOL...

rf4l


Sat Jun 17 2017 6:52 am EST

Amanda Stein‏Verified account @amandacstein ........ Your #NHL W/E: Trade freeze goes into effect at 3pm. Protected list must be submitted by 5pm. P.L. released to public Sun. @ 10am. #TSN690

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 6:50 am EST

6/16/17 | 1:28PM: Elliotte Friedman was on Sportsnet960 today and spoke about Antti Raanta. Friedman said, "I'm looking at the Rangers. I think one of the hot commodities around the expansion draft is Antti Raanta. I think the Rangers would really like to keep him, as Lundqvist gets older, he gave them a break. I thought Lundqvist was really good in the playoffs this year and I think one of the reasons was because Raanta was good in the regular season." Later on he was asked about the Flames and their goaltending situation and said, "I wonder if Raanta becomes available, maybe, but I think there is a long list of teams, I wouldn't be surprised if Winnipeg is there." Larry Brooks wrote last weekend that the Flames and Jets have reportedly called about Raanta but Rangers team has not yet committed to trading him. (NY Post) Brooks also noted that the Rangers have not received an offer "pushing them" to consider a trade. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 17 2017 6:02 am EST

Stepan fetchit at 3 pm

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 17 2017 1:19 am EST

Hospo, They had to sign Manny Pumps to get the right number of players exposed for the LV expansion draft. No choice there.

andrei


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:31 am EST

For anyone not keeping up: Tomorrow at 3 p.m. ET, the 30 teams that aren’t the Vegas Golden Knights will not be allowed to trade with each other until the expansion draft has been completed.

mf


Sat Jun 17 2017 12:12 am EST

IMO Hayes is not a bad chip to offer Minny... Minny has plenty of grit, and they need a 3rd line center behind Koivu & E.Staal as Coyle, Neidereiter, Granlund have all been slotted on the wings... Minny is also Cap confined, so Hayes salary is palatable..... Again IMO, if we could pull off a simple 1-1 trade Dumba for Hayes great ............ Oh, brain lapse, I did not factor the cost of a replacement center in that prior post with the #'s........ Might have to trade Stepan over or in addition to Lazy-Hazy and boy has he earned that nickname!

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:57 pm EST

Pimple is a waste at 250K a year..

Hospo


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:56 pm EST

Sounds good MF..Problem is, I don't think the Rtangers are trading Hayes nor is he a great trade chip....and, I don't want Capt Kirk..That is going to be a six year contract the Rangers will regret..But, can't say I have all the alternatives planned out!

Hospo


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:53 pm EST

mf: I figured Puemple would be the 13th F at 675K for the year

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:08 pm EST

Hospo: here's some #'s: Klien & Holden gone pays for SMITH to be signed. We may even pick up like $250-$500K if Smith signs for $4mill-$4.25mill........... Hayes salary & Dumba's salary are a wash, the difference is $50K......... Depending on which site you trust, we have approx $12.8 mill to sign: Z'bad ($5mill), Fast & Lindberg approx $2.5mill, (= $7.5mill) ....... Shatty $6.5-$7mill.... Thats $14mill so we are short $1.8 mill.... there are whispers that the Cap will increase by $2mill which leaves us $800 to sign a 13th forward.... Tweak $100k here and there and I think we make it, but STEPAN remains a Ranger.....

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:59 pm EST

Ditto: Evets, WTH are they serving you? :-) Some potent protein shakes

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:38 pm EST

Damn Evets, you're gonna go blind with all that rosterbating!....Really, really interested in MINN..they really have to trade one of BRODIN or DUMBA by tomorrow afternoon..I really hope we are in on the latter..And why not expand it....I hav e no interest whatsoever in dealing established players like Stepan for prospects and maybes

Hospo


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:33 pm EST

Stepan and Graves for Keller, Duclair and Chychrun. Sign Shattenkirk. Hayes, Raanta, and a pick to Calgary for Bennett. Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich. Zuccarello-Bennett-Nash. Vesey-Keller-Miller. Grabner-Lindberg-Fast. McDonagh-Shattenkirk. Skjei-Chychrun. Staal-Pionk/Bereglazov. Lundqvist-?????.

evets1980


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:29 pm EST

Me33: About as much chance as Staal allowing a trade to AZ as me making the Rangers roster.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:24 pm EST

Could Staal be in play in a potential AZ deal. They should have the cap space for him and could use another leader besides Doan.

me33


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:24 pm EST

Well, hopefully something happens before 3PM ET tomorrow - this waiting and anticipating and stuff is getting tedious!

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:22 pm EST

RF: ARI needs a center & they have the $$$$

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:21 pm EST

Strome wouldn't need to be protected so enables us to keep another of the 3 forwards at risk. On a side note, I could see signing Steve Mason to back up Henrik if he doesn't get a starting gig. There is an allure to working with Allaire.

me33


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:20 pm EST

The plus of Bobby McK's tweet IMO is that it appears there are multiple teams Gorton's shopping Stepan to, trying to push up the return. If so, keep the hype going!

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:17 pm EST

Mmm..Strome is intriguing but a retool kind of move. Would Gorton do that??

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:17 pm EST

OEL would be a great get, but doubtful. Could see something like Stepan, Raanta, Graves and our 1st round pick for Strome, AZ early 1st round pick and maybe Chychrun or another defenseman. Some other picks and pieces could be involved if we want Duclair or some other specific piece back.

me33


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:13 pm EST

That Arizona/Stepan rumour is right out of left field IMO. If there's any truth behind it then I can only assume Gorton is chasing OLIVER EKMAN-LARSSON. To me, there's really nothing else on that club that the Rangers, are they are currently built, would be interested in. If that's true, that's intriguing and hopefully, Gorther can get it down. EKMAN-LARSSON is exactly what the Rangers are lacking from a backline perspective.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:11 pm EST

me33... You and I think alike, that's the first place my mind went.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:08 pm EST

Would they part with Strome for Stepan?

me33


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:00 pm EST

I think McKenzie mentioning Stepan and Arizona is a pretty big deal. He also went on to say that the Coyotes want to complete more deals before the trade freeze. I was wondering if anyone thinks that Stepan and maybe another small piece could bring back Clayton Keller, Kyle Wood, and maybe bring back Duclair. Keller is a stud. Wood is a huge, mobile right handed defenseman. Maybe Duclair can come back here and rekindle the magic.

evets1980


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:49 pm EST

stevie: LOL...they are probably more realistic that his imaginery lucrative US TV deal!!

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:48 pm EST

That's interesting - what is attracting the Yotes to Stepan?

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:47 pm EST

Rf that's Irving half Yiddish and Italian for buttman ... a mooferism ,.. he's praying tonight... and coming up with imaginary trades

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:41 pm EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... ARI, BTW, is one of multiple teams with serious interest in NYR C Derek Stepan.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:28 pm EST

Who's Bungholio? Sather?

Rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:07 pm EST

Craig Custance‏Verified account @CraigCustance ..... Flyers trade Nick Cousins to Coyotes for pick & prospect..... Also per Sarah McLellan‏Verified account @azc_mclellan..... Cousins is an RFA who meets the exposure requirement.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:47 pm EST

Sounds like Bungholio is due an apology, it ain't coming from me

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:43 pm EST

mf: issue is the NHLPA vote is a set date, would have taken a LOT to change it....can't do it during the finals, players have meetings and stuff to discuss it before they vote. I think they should have pushed the draft off a week and FA off a week as well for this year due to expansion. That would have actually been easier to change than moving the NHLP vote earlier.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:41 pm EST

Hipcheck: Trouba has 1 year remaining at $2.8125 mill and then becomes an RFA.... I imagine an acquiring team wants him to sign a contract extension..... The Cap is a big issue for many teams, I'd wager that the Great BungHolio CornHolio Buttbreathe didn't anticipate how imperative having the Cap Limit in place by now would be, and he's probably pushing hard for a resolution...

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:31 pm EST

Of all the possible acquisitions mentioned, I think TROUBA would be absolutely huge.

hipcheck


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:20 pm EST

Seriously great insights & discussion on the wall, give yourselves a hand, very enjoyable. I've tried very hard to be a Stepan fan, and I know he will be missed, but Yes, it's time for some change.

hipcheck


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:16 pm EST

Bob: Before his injury Zbad had stated getting more 5v5 and PP ice than Step, Step got more PK time. Zbad had more offensive zone me starts and Step more Dzone. Zbad was taking the number 1 spot and I think it's his to lose in camp. Also, cutting ties with Gorardi and bringing in Shattenkirk is quite the big change.....I do not want them just dumping Stepan, that would be stupid, he is a good center, but I do think he gets moved either by tomorrow's freeze or at the draft.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:13 pm EST

RF4L: A little premature I think. Trade freeze goes into affect tomorrow at 3 eastern. Every single rumor person is talking about how much chatter there is. Theee is a lot being discussed and I think a big lynchpin is LV, if they try to get too much out of teams to select certain players then teams will have to move guys or lose them, if LV is reasonable than less movement happens. Stepan is a special case because it has more to do with his movement clause. Of course if they trade him for a D they have a protection spot for that and can then protect a different forward so that is what is driving the discussion now with him I think. But the Rangers are being smart and not just jumping at whatever trade first pops up.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:12 pm EST

I fully expected to be disappointed this offseason. I would not be surprised if #21 is the Rangers top center when the season opens. I also would not be surprised. If Smith is re-signed, Shattenkirk is signed and that is the major change from last year.

Bob


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:09 pm EST

Me33: I think that definitely has something to do with it. But it appears from all reports that the cap will be 75 mill. As for Staal being moved, don't hold your breath. He has made it rather clear that he loves NY and he has control over any deal and there has to been a single reputable rumor person who has heard the Rangers asked him to waive his movement clause.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:06 pm EST

Lotta hype. Said it a few days ago - don't be surprised if nothing happens until the draft. The G buyout understandably raised the expectation level. Gorther I am sure is working the trade front but thanks to Buttman and his stupid desire to have a major US TV deal severely have a hard cap that among other things handicaps GMs when it comes to trades.

Rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:04 pm EST

Salary Cap News continued: https://novacapsfans.com/2017/06/16/reports-nhlpa-approves-75-million-salary-cap/

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:02 pm EST

Fishboy and ass vipe are big fat dudes

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:00 pm EST

Today was a big fat dud.

Bob


Fri Jun 16 2017 7:10 pm EST

Maybe the reason trades are being held up is the final salary cap number. If Staal was to be traded with salary retained that could be a possible holdup. Obviously, Phaneuf and others fall into the same category. The higher the cap, the more salary potentially retained. Just a thought.

Me33


Fri Jun 16 2017 5:39 pm EST

Saw a rumor on hockeybuzz that has Staal and a pick to Montreal for Galchenyuk. Doubt it has any legs but one could dream

tlats


Fri Jun 16 2017 5:39 pm EST

Still rumors that teams are talking to LV about "protection" for extra players. That along with multiple teams in on just about every player being talked about in possible moves mean that likely there will be some stuff done at the wire tomorrow at 3 eastern when the trade freeze kicks in. I keep reading that 3 is the freeze and 5 the lists are due. So I would bet not much goes on tonight if anything. Oh well....was hoping to get some answers as to what the Rangers brass was thinking.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 5:11 pm EST

I want Putin on the nyr nobody will touch them

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 5:01 pm EST

St.Legs: your new favorite Ranger: alexei bereglazov

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 4:28 pm EST

Irving get the clapper to shut off the lights.... Moof on

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 4:04 pm EST

Candle lighting is at 8:11pm EST, are we getting a trade in before the Sabbath? WTF

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 3:40 pm EST

Who skates with both blades on the ice? is a litigious and Politically Incorrect statement, haven't we learned anything here? 8 years of college down the drain :->)

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 3:35 pm EST

I think fans of every team think almost all of their guys are lacking or frustrating in some manner, superstars excepted (most times).I get most frustrated over than insanely stupid 'skate over the blue line air' rule. Who skates with both blades on the ice? And what next with the air-space thing ... only goals that skitter in like Hank's Game 7 Killorn Krusher in 2015 are gonna count? Speaking of Mr. GQ Guitar World, he is consistent in never having won the Cup. That streak seems safe.

Nick


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:59 pm EST

Irving what's your excuse? Too much moofing

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:24 pm EST

I ain't young anymore mf...that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:18 pm EST

RF: T/Y, I posted that last night, get on your game young man! :->)

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:09 pm EST

This is for you mf: Gudbranson just signed a 1 year deal with the Canucks - when it expires, June 30 2018, he's an UFA.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:09 pm EST

To me it looks like the nyr are scrambling eggs in the cya mode . It's an every year occurrence.

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:05 pm EST

Oops...that doesn't read properly. If Nash has a better season and the Rangers are PO bound, he'll probably stay and hit UFA status July 2018.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 2:03 pm EST

Wild: Yeah, I thought of that, too. I suspect there'd be minimal interest if he has an even worse yet next season vs this past year. Now if he improves the Rangers, assuming they are PO bound, may not want to trade him. For sure, if the wheels come off next year, he'll be moved at the deadline, along with several others.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:58 pm EST

mf: I like Nash, but no. It just feels like his time in NY is coming to a close.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:56 pm EST

Whats the consensus on extending Nash an extension of 3 years at $5mill per +/- ?

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:53 pm EST

rf4l: I think right now GMs know the Rangers are making changes, and since Nash will be a UFA they may lowball the Rangers...HOWEVER at the deadline I think the desire for the extra bump for the post season run will override the feeling of getting him cheap and they will make better offers for him as a rental, with conditional picks added of he resigns. Thats the most likely scenario I think, a deadline move of Nash.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:53 pm EST

Rhymes with: Hazey is Lazy

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:48 pm EST

Can't see anyone wanting Nash unless the Rangers eat 1/3 of his salary which I would consider doing seeing as it's only for 1 year and otherwise you're shelling out $7,800,000. Of course, it depends on what might be fetched in return.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:45 pm EST

While I think Step is a goner, I also think one of Miller or Kreider is out of here also...I don't want to deal either but both are frustrating players and I have a feeeling AV might want to cut down on those type of things...Wish it would be NASH going, but I can't see him being dealt until the deadline...

Hospo


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:39 pm EST

Tdchi what's said here is basically meaningless. The nyr are shopping stepan fetchit. That their decision along with cutting girardi so far .

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:25 pm EST

I wish Gorther would actually do something!

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:20 pm EST

Stepanmytoe rhymes with Stepan-is-SLOW. Anyway, my sentiments exactly-slow, soft, sux on draws, never shoots, rarely scores despite tons of ice time. Very good passer-but 6.5 mm for a good passer with those negatives makes you expendable. And I've never seen a player get faster with age. I wish him well-just like Girardi-and thanks for the memories. Remember his first game-a hat trick in Buffalo? I thought he might actually be a goal scorer.

puckyou


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:15 pm EST

RDW: Name another one(outside of Hank).

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:14 pm EST

RDW: maybe because since he joined the league he has statistically been the most consistent player on the Rangers? At least among skaters....Hank maybe could be looked at there as well.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 1:05 pm EST

Just scanning back over the past month's posts (thanks F3 key!) 4 different Wallsters suggested moving Kreider. And yes, Nash continues to under-deliver in the playoffs, but I'm resigned to that and we're only stuck with him one more year. My biggest impetus to move Stepan is his NMC (although I think Rhet said it's only two years before he has to give us an ok-to-trade-to list?) - I don't want 4+ more years of an adenoidal milquetoast faceoff-challenged not-quite No.1 center...

LeoS


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:53 pm EST

nary a mention to move Kreider in the Trade-a-rator.......

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:52 pm EST

TD: Yes. But not as much.He can go too ! IMO. If you can get somewhat equal value for Nash. Adios.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:48 pm EST

When did it become fact that Stepan is the most consistent player on this team?

RDW


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:47 pm EST

Im not concerned with giving up on anyone and everyone. As long as it is an equal rte of return and addresses issues. I gave a rats ass about the ahem... "core." They had their chance for what? 5-years? So much playoff hockey and nothing to show for it. And the past two seasons relative in the toilet performances says, its over. They will not win and changes must happen. So, Id rather get rid of Stepan for someone younger, and cheaper with cap relief. Id rather get Nash out. All to get a truly young team in place. Ill take a tough season in 17-18 to watch this team begin to build back to something because I look at the new "core." That is JT, Vesey, Hayes, Lindberg, Skjei CK yada... yada... yada... And you are building around some real quality assets and depth. Let these guys mature and THEN go out and get what you need to finish it out. And yes, that is my early day knee-jerk reaction to things. But, I am half serious. I want to win. And of the few areas that I actually agree with AV in is: speed. Teams so quick on transition to head up ice make the other team play conservative and take less chances.

E


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:46 pm EST

NYStranger - So you single out the most consistent player among them to start the shakeup? Isn't that sort of the opposite of what we want...i.e. MORE consistent players?

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:45 pm EST

Nick - I don't think anyone has called for KREIDER to be moved. I haven't even seen a Moof-trade-or-ator post suggesting as such. Disagree on Step. But I don't need to restate the obvious.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:44 pm EST

Stepunmytoe - So you must think Rick NASH is a pile of dog dung...

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:30 pm EST

Yep, this team definitely a shake up to it's core..and up front, to me, that should start with either Step or Nash or both..Anyway, I've been advocating dealing Step for a few years for various reasons but I just wish the Ra ngers would trade him already to the Wall wouldn't have to be subject to my, and everybody else's, recycled ideas on Stepan on why he he should or shouldn't be traded...Be much more interesting to discuss/rip the new additions!!!!...Can't say I'm giddy about Montreal and Carolina being a trade partner...We'll see..

Hospo


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:14 pm EST

If and when Step is traded: good riddice. However the deal would look like now it will look better in a couple of years. This team needs a shakeup. This is as good a place as any to start.

NYStranger


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:14 pm EST

Gabe Vilardi is pictured 1st of these 4 players.... Have I mentioned RHS Center? http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/2017-nhl-draft-ranking-the-top-120-prospects

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:06 pm EST

Stepan gets tons of ice time, PP included, with the best wings this team has had to offer. Soft as baby poop, can't win a draw, disappears in the playoffs and talks too much about how much he sucks. Adios !!!

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:05 pm EST

Wow, Stepan-love. Hey I don't blame him for not being a No. 1 center, he is what he is. And he is S ... L ... O ... W. This is now a speed league. Ship him and get someone faster in here. Christ this place thinks a severe mediocrity like Grabner and Hagelin are God's gift because they can skate, so why does Step get a slide? For his big 55-point seasons? Meanwhile everyone wants to dump big, fast, semi-tough 25-28 goal scorer Kreider because he "lacks hockey sense" or some damn thing. I hear the league is considering goals scored by mindless guys as only 3/4 of a goal on the scoreboard.

Nick


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:03 pm EST

Carolina keeps getting brought up...Here's an interesting thought: Jordan STAAL. Now I know, there's probably a lot of sighing and gahfaw'ing at this suggestion...but if there was a guy who could replace STEPAN and perhaps improve this team, it'd be the younger Staal brother...some interesting notes to consider...he's an absolute BEAST in the faceoff circle...has gotten better every year since he joined the Canes...He's a lot more physical than Step and is still relatively young(28)...He spent half his career as a third wheel and the other half on an ineffective trainwreck of team with zero offense...now here's the part that's really kind of interesting...and let me preface this by saying I don't look at possession metrics as the end-all, be-all for determining the worth of a player...but Staal's possession metrics are...well...off the charts. Let me put it this way: Over the past three years, they are on par with or better than Sid Crosby's possession metrics...I'm not sure why Carolina would want to trade him...but that's one swap that could work in favor for the Rangers if they're looking to move Step....though after saying all this, I must also mention Staal has a NMC...

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:47 am EST

andrei - And yet the only years Step DIDN'T score 50-plus points was his rookie campaign and the strike shortened year. Find me another Ranger with that kind of consistency...and you know those times when his offense wells up? Well, it's not like he's doing nothing out there. People focus on his goals and his role on the PP, but totally forget that he's the team's best defensive forward and arguably their best playmaker. Stepan is a guy who makes others around him better even when he's not getting on the board. I find it hilarious he takes so much flack, when guys like NASH and KREIDER just sort of fall off to the side when they go long stretches with zeros...Hell, Nash had his own excuse posse for a while.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:42 am EST

Jkropp - It's not necessarily STEPAN'S offense they'll miss(though I think his playmaking contributes to a lot of it)...It's his D. A team as weak as the Rangers were on the right side had little business making the playoffs, much less the second round. You always had someone over there who couldn't skate or, in the best-case scenario, was playing the off-hand. I give Step and the Rangers' centers as a whole a lot of credit for mitigating the disaster of a defense they had. That is what I fear losing.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:37 am EST

RF4L - Of course it all depends on what STEPAN brings back...But realistically speaking, I just can't see a team giving us something that would make it worth our while losing him...Take for instance --and not to single him out --what Hospo was suggesting: DUMBA and COYLE for STEPAN. We get a guy who still can't win faceoffs, produces more or less the same offensive output and has similar possesion metrics and a defenseman who, while very promising, is somewhat of an adventure in his zone...Are the Rangers a better team? I'm not so sure about that... And while I reserve judgement on MILLER and Z, who I both think have another gear, I think we're at the WYSIWYG point with HAYES and KREIDER. I don't think either is going to miraculously break out and score 40-plus goals or register 70-plus points. Even with LINDBERG...The player is already there...A solid, 40-point center with good defensive acumen...re: The PP: The reason Step ends up out there so often is because he's a RHS and he's very good defensively. If you had someone like TROUBA on the bench, I would bet dollars to donuts that Step would either be on the wing or the second unit center. Again with my point: You can trace almost all of this club's problems back to its shortcomings on the right side.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:29 am EST

Rhet: To state the obvious, this is not a normal offseason.. One ideal trade partner is a team that needs to move a D'man and can absorb a forward.... That's why I ask if HAYES gets us DUMBA straight up? ...... The cap dollars are real tight even after factoring a $2mill increase...... NHLnumbers shows Cap Space of $12.289mill + a $2mill increase = $14.289...... Hayes for Dumba is a wash....Klein & Holden out and Smith in, MAYBE we can pick up $250K-$500K in cap space... Zbad, Fast, Lindberg costs around $7-$7.5mill, Shattenkirk costs $6.5-$7mill..... This does NOT consider signing a 13th forward...... This Does figure that we retain Stepan & farm out Hayes....... The numbers are close, we can go over the Cap for the Summer, but have to really sharpen the pencil to get under Cap

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:27 am EST

And TDCHI, you're confusing me: one moment it's 'shore up the D', the next it's 'trade Skjei for Drouin' or 'don't move Step for Trouba' Qu'est-ce que c'est? As for HANK, he certainly consistently delivers a high dollar value per weak playoff goal :(

LeoS


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:25 am EST

RF4L... So we should pull the trigger on a deal in the hopes that someone will step up and take his place? We're talking about a guy who not only isrguably the best defensive forward on the team, but he's also top 29-30 in points scored by a center? It seems like poor asset management to me.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:22 am EST

IF they move Step, I'm curious what his points for next season will be - same, higher, lower? Could be a good VIC Quiz question.

LeoS


Fri Jun 16 2017 11:13 am EST

jkropp: is Ryan Gropp your favorite Ranger prospect? ..... TD: Alexie Bereglazov oops, sure is a LHS.....

mf


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:49 am EST

Rhet: It depends on how much better the D becomes vs the weakening at centre. And will Z's and Lindberg's games progress to help compensate? One would hope so - both are young and hopefully, not stagnanting this quickly in their careers. The same could be said for Hayes. Where is his game going? You look at his stats and the concern is that what you see is what you get, which isn't horrible but definitely not equal to the physical package he has. These are the decisions Gorther must wrestle with. It'll be interesting to see how it plays out and hopefully, that's sooner rather than later. I sure hope we don't have to wait until August for something to happen!

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:45 am EST

That should be area.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:45 am EST

RF4L... I thought the idea was to make us better not just to change the leadership core. How does trading a center for defense make us better? We strengthen one are by weakening another.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:41 am EST

Rhet: I guess it's how you view 'better off'. I think it's clear the team needs a leadership core change and IMO Stepan, along with McD and the King, are the big 3. The latter is going nowhere so who do you chop among the other 2 if you feel a leadership change is needed? To me it's a no-brainer especially when you consider the backline is arguably the team's biggest weakness and the fact that McD's contract is actually quite good vs Stepan's. Again, it comes down to how you perceive the team, where it's going and what you want to see next year.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:11 am EST

tdchi, we are on the opposite side's. To me, Rangers MUST trade Stepan and they have two weeks to do. Not sure I agree that he is the most consistent player on a team. To me, he is a quiet opposite. There is the only thing thing you can count Stepan on is that he will be consistently inconsistent. This is the same guy that went on 20+ games without scoring a goal. Same guy that goes games without registering a meaningful shot on goal. I do agree that he is a good defensive player, good PK specialist. That's said, one of the reasons why team can't hold last minute leads is his inability to win key takeoffs. Is he a good player? Yes. Will he be missed? Sure. Will Rangers win the cup with him as a first line center? No!!

andrei


Fri Jun 16 2017 10:05 am EST

jkropp.... There is currently a lot of D available that I really covet, but I just don't like the idea of weakening ourselves so badly down the middle to do it (not unless we had a guy ready to take his place). Wouldn't we be better off keeping Stepan, signing Shattenkirk, re-signing Smith and letting 1-2 rookies battle it out for the finals spot(s)?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:50 am EST

I could see NYR really try to remake D and go after Dumba and Shattenkirk while bringing up a few kids. Would drastically change defense...certainly make it quicker. Step will be missed but NYR have a good amount of young forwards who should compensate for his offense. That's one way to truly change this team. Need to keep Fast and Oscar tho. IMO.

Jkropp


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:47 am EST

Was I right, maybe? ......Per Ryan Pike‏ @RyanNPike ..... Per Friedman's 960 hit, #NYR buyout of Girardi likely tied to protecting someone else so they can dangle something to Vegas to keep Raanta..... Addendum to #NYR comment: Girardi tied to "turning over core," Raanta price very high, per Friedman, so if he's staying someone else is gone

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 9:46 am EST

NYRDAILY @NYRDailyBlog Hearing #NYR Stepan WILL be moved within next 10 hours...Keep hearing MTL and CAR

tlats


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:47 am EST

Another interesting possibility: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/prospect-interest-411-nicolas-hague/

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:45 am EST

If this kid is around come the Rangers turn next Friday night, they should seriously consider taking him IMO: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/prospect-interest-411-timothy-liljegren/

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 8:18 am EST

NHL Rumors‏ @NHLRumorsDaily.... Fully expect Galchenyuk to be moved today however it could spill over to the draft. Watch Minnesota, NYR, and Chicago on this one.... Based on what I've heard, guys most likely to be moved today are Brodin, Stepan and Galchenyuk..... RE: Stepan and Minnesota... the name I keep hearing linked to the NYR is Matt Dumba

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 16 2017 7:27 am EST

The next trade deadline is 3PM ET Saturday - will Gorther get anything done before then? He's got a protection spot open on defense now so you gotta figure he's working the phones. I think it's reasonable to believe he was in on the Gal talks but logic suggests Montreal is now shifting their attention to their backline. The prospect they sent to Tampa was penciled into their starting 6 this fall. If you look at the team's defensive depth, they're lacking after 3 players. The Rangers don't have what Montreal would want so if Stepan (or anyone else) is going, it likely won't be to Montreal.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 7:11 am EST

TD: Of course I don't agree but it does also depend on what Stepan fetches and what other moves Gorton makes. I concur his absence will be felt because he does regularly score 55 points and 20 goals and is defensively aware. But if players like Z, Miller and Kreider, not to mention Hayes and Lindberg, continue their growth the offensive production will likely be compensated for - it's not like Stepan is an 80+ point player. Also, the PP might be more productive however, just by the mere fact he's not on the bench for the stubborn mule of coach to send out time and time again. And I can envision that contract being an issue in 3 years - it wasn't long ago folks on here were lauding both the G and S contracts as I recall. Finally, he's part of the leadership core and IMO it'll be a mistake to bring that group back intact in the fall - something needs to change there and buying out G isn't enough.

rf4l


Fri Jun 16 2017 6:46 am EST

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that it is a HUGE mistake to move Derek STEPAN...even for a guy like GALYCHENYUK. I know there was/is plenty of bagging on his playoff performance...but if you look at the team as a whole...well...he did just about as good as the rest of them...The return we're going to get for Stepan isn't likely to make up for what we lose...even, say, if we trade him for a guy like TROUBA straight up...this team has made the playoffs EVERY YEAR since Stepan joined. And that's not an anomaly...He's probably the best defensive center the team has had since DRURY in his prime...and then let's get into consistency...Again, I can't think of a player who has been more consistent aside from maybe HANK. People bitch about his contract...but you look at what he does. He EARNS his contract...And that's a lot better than, say, someone like Rick NASH, who is wildly inconsistent and since he's joined the team, has seldom justified what he's getting paid...and while Step got a good kick around the block from Ranger fans, ol' Nashty did his usual mediocre performance, grabbed his $7.8 million check and cashed out for another season...with less points...His possession metrics dropped for a third consecutive season...and when the Rangers needed a big goal...well...he vanished...I get WHY the Rangers might consider moving Step...he's their most marketable asset...but I think he falls into a category of being a player they will regret moving in both the short and long term.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 6:36 am EST

According to Wikipedia Graves is "currently a New York Rangers special assistant with Prospect Development and Community Relations" not sure exactly what that means.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 16 2017 6:26 am EST

Lot's of good talk going on speculating on moves. Pardon me if it has been commented on but isn't the position Ortmeyer assumed the one Graves held?

gene_carr


Fri Jun 16 2017 6:23 am EST

mf - Not that it makes a huge difference, but BEREGLAZOV is a lefty. And I know we got by using HOLDEN on the right, in addition to SMITH and occasionally SKJEI...but it was less than ideal. Right now, if you consider PIONK a part of our NHL roster, we are short two righties.

tdchi


Fri Jun 16 2017 6:17 am EST

Is stepan fetchit gone yet ?

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 16 2017 12:00 am EST

mf: I'm not sure why they would (other than to build depth they so badly lack) but his name keeps popping up as available although costly.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:49 pm EST

I see the AV's have the 4th overall pick (http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/) .... Nathan Mackinnon will turn 22 in September. They have a player there to build the team around, as much as I'd like to fantasize about prying him from them, why would they? Then again, what will it cost us? ....

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:43 pm EST

Of course I post that when I know Sakic wanted at the deadline for Duchene what would be equivalent for the Rangers as Skjei, Buch, Day and a First....so my proposal would be a top prospect or two and a pick or two off the mark!

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:32 pm EST

And as you point out, if they are confident in getting Shattenkirk than trading for a young D would almost be silly. Why give up the assets? And if that's he case than maybe it's a package involving Stepan that garners a number 1 type center rather than a D like many are talking about here and other places. I mean think about this. The AVS have a shot at getting another high drafted center and moving their current number 1 to get improved overall depth wise. I mean would Step, Miller, and Graves along maybe with Tambalini as well get MacKinon(sp) ?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:17 pm EST

mf: If no other GM went crazy on an offer maybe Hayes and a 3rd might do it....but it all depends on how they value him and what other teams are putting up for trade.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:17 pm EST

We (I) could be barking up the wrong tree with these trades which include RHS Dmen..... If we do sign Shattenkirk, we have a Lifty in SMITH playing the RHS, then we have these 2 kids in Neal Pionk & Alexei Bereglazov both RHS, and we have a RHS in Steve Kampfer as a 7th/8th..... So we have 3 RHS rooks to plug that 3rd pair RHSide...... On the LHS, McDonagh/Skjei/ M.Staal, and we still have Nick Holden so we're actually pretty solid with the signing of Shattenkirk (and I wouldn't count out the Capitals until we ink him) ................ OAN: the Florida Panthers are deep on defense: LHS: Yandle, Matheson, Kindl, RHS: Ekblad, Demers, Pysyk, Petrovic,........

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:15 pm EST

mf: in a vacuum I would t think even that would be low enough. Stepan is a rare center, one that moving may come back to bite he Rangers, but they are in need of a change and a different type of center to try to get over that last hump. He is a 50+ point guy who is solid in all areas other than faceoffs where is his below average now at about 49%. Most teams don't have a guy like that. They have a defensive guy and a guy that can get 50-60 points but is t do great away from the puck and then a number 1. I would think a guy with less upside than Miller would do it....but I'm not sure the Rangers have that perfect guy, so they may have to overpay a bit unless the Wild take a slight underpaid amount.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 10:51 pm EST

I think everyone in the NHL seems to be looking for a righty defenseman who can move so I think a guy like Dumba is going to cost more than I would personally feel comfortable spending. I just think things are getting out of control. I think the New York Rangers could meet a roster player demands for a team like MIN but I don't think they have the future assets in picks and prospects that would motivate a trade but I don't think the market is set yet.

E


Thu Jun 15 2017 10:44 pm EST

Would Hayes get us Dumba? straight up deal, 1 for 1, uncomplicated.... They need a center, we need a RHSD, the money and term are a wash, Hayes is 2 years older

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 10:29 pm EST

E.... That said, what you give up for Dumba?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 10:23 pm EST

Dumba is very raw as a player. He is very gifted in terms of natural talent. And he has tremendous speed and he is a walking reminder that hitting is an art not based on size. Because he is a little guy who has built a reputation as one of the harder open ice hitters in the NHL. You cannot put your head down coming into the zone. But Dumba also is prone to some really boneheaded decisions with the puck and without. There is a lot of talent there and I've always loved the guy. I just am a huge fan of defenseman who play such a tough and rumble style but have the ability to rush the puck like a forward. I think defensive speed and possession is everything. Nashville made a great case for it this year. They just didn't have enough juice upfront.

E


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:59 pm EST

Wild: how about Stepan & Miller instead of Kreider?

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:50 pm EST

RF4L: Stepan may be the most talleneted. I mean if you really look at it. Coyle has a lower point per game average, and isn't as good defensively....and really gets what he gets on hard work, not that it's a bad thing to get your points that way...it's perfectly fine. Dumbs is talented for sure but again, gets by in the NHL through outworking everyone...again not a bad thing and he is obviously the one in he deal that would be closest or ahead of Step in talent, but it would be hard pressed to say he is more talented than Step...but at the least it's super close so Kreider would be far to much extra to add in.....

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:49 pm EST

mf: You need to tell the Wild GM that....

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:29 pm EST

OK accomplished:

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:23 pm EST

mf: Mmmm...the most accomplished talent in that deal is Stepan. The best talent? Maybe but very subjective.

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:18 pm EST

Hospo apparently the D-man TB acquired is a majorly huge prospect, from what I heard last week on the XM hockey channel. I mean, like Dylan McIlrath huge, only with talent, skating ability and an NHL future. Okay that was gratuitous, but I still see that Jessiman-II-flopperoo's name crop up here occasionally.

Nick


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:16 pm EST

RF: Stepan is the best talent in the trade so there is no way they're getting Kreider too unless they're tossing in Niedereiter and then we can toss in a prospect....(not named SEAN DAY).......... Hospo: I think we started seeing the remake of the defense when we signed SMITH.... Shattenkirk on 1st pair RHS with Smith on 2nd pair, it's taking shape

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:13 pm EST

Oh damn....medicinal strain this time is quite potent!!!

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:11 pm EST

Hospo: I floated Kreider and Stepan more those 2 - only 1 protest....

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:03 pm EST

RF - I've been floating Coyle and Dumba those two for a year and a half (why it has zero chance of happening!!).....I could see one of Miller or Kreider being dealt this off-season..Love to be able to deal NASH instead...oh well...Since we ain't changing the coach as we should, This team needs a huge shake-up in the core after two unsatisfactry 2nd halves,

Hospo


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:58 pm EST

mf: Dumba and Coyle for Stepan and ??. The ?? is huge. Not a toss in. I floated Stepan and Kreider for those 2 the other day. Too much?

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:53 pm EST

Today is the first day that players can be bought out.... WILD... They are only supposed to talk in generalities and not negotiate (I know, It's total BS), so what I said is factually correct(in theory at least).

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:53 pm EST

Thanks WILD...Have ALWAYS liked RADULOV but he's a huge risk...Not a huge fan of Capt Kirk and the money it will take..

Hospo


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:51 pm EST

Hospo: Minny's two top RHS Dmen are Spurgeon & Dumba. I think they will protect Suter, Scandella, & Spurgeon..........There are rumors out there that they are trying to trade LHS D'man BRODIN (possibly to the Bruins)and that would leave DUMBA unprotected so it looks like it would be best for Minny to move Dumba............. A few days back I posted that Minny needs a center because although both Coyle & Niedereiter are listed as players who can play both C & W, Minny has them playing Wing...... Question: If Stepan & ? gets us Coyle & Dumba, what will be the hit if any to the defensive-side of our game by the forwards? Do we even need to be concerned about that now?

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:50 pm EST

So the common thread now that Drouin has been acquired is that Montreal is actively shopping Galchenyuk for a top 4 young d-man. If so, the Rangers are not a trading partner.

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:49 pm EST

I'll take Captain Kirk let the habnots or whoever take radical the Russian.

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:43 pm EST

Radulov historically gives zero shit about anything associated with loyalty. FWIW, not for a second do I expect him to sign anything but a 4 or 5 year deal worth at least $5,500,000 per and I say fully envisioning him pushing/hoping for $1,000,000 more. For me, it really comes down to what the market is offering him - he's seeking top dollar and won't get a full sense of that until UFA hits. It will indeed be surprising to see him resign in Montreal this early.

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:41 pm EST

Rhet: do t forget leading up to July 1st there is a negotiating window of sorts. Teams and agents can talk to see if there is mutual I treat in a deal but are not supposed to talk numbers. So that really puts the exclusive negotiating window until the 28th or 29th or something like that, don't remember how long the window is.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:39 pm EST

HOSPO: I do not think the buyout has happened yet, but I also don't think they can start the process yet under NHL rules, or it might be starting now. But Giradi wrote a heartfelt thanks for the memories thing that he put out there so td a done deal in all but the paperwork being completed with the NHL.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:35 pm EST

St.Legs: another big part is the Cap

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:34 pm EST

Rhet: T/Y: Shea Weber campaigned big time in endorsing Radulov to the Habs, Rads may feel somewhat obligated to him on that front.. On a professional level both Weber & Rads know this is a business, big bucks, and bottom line a player has to look out for themselves 1st......

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:30 pm EST

BTW, Step and whatever for Coyle and Dumbo..

Hospo


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:29 pm EST

MF.... Yes, July 1st is always a big date. Teams normally have sole negotiating rights with their pending UFA's until that time. This year is the exception because of Bettman. This year the Expansion Team (VGK) will have an exclusive 48-hour window to negotiate with unprotected FREE AGENTS. It's unprecedented.... In regard to Montreal: they can do whatever they want with him. I'm just saying it sounds like Montreal is presenting it to Radu, if you don't take this deal, we will re-sign GALCHENYUK instead and move on from you. If they trade him in the meantime, that threat has no teeth.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:28 pm EST

OK, I'm being a bit lazy and it's been a long 3-4 weeks so I'm nowhere near in top WAll form (yeah, what else is new)..But a few things....Has GIRARDI indeed been bought out or is this informed spec? The dealing of STEP is the right move IFFFFF the Rangers bring back another center with different qualities in the same or another deal........I just saw this DROUIN trade...WOW....Is the D-man the Bots got of equal quality? Love Drouin.....

Hospo


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:27 pm EST

Tdchi I think I big part of it is his ntc clause that will kick in July 1 along with his dismal playoff performance and excuses. His girlrardi moment as a nyr was screaming at hank to calm down from 20 feet out. I'm pretty sure ass vipe didn't want to endorse moving him . But he's a cya guy so he will take the pc road with his bosses.

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:20 pm EST

Irving doing a mooferino hold your hands over your ears and say I'm so confused

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:18 pm EST

Read from a very reliable source that STEPAN is as good as gone. Lord I hope Gorton knows what he's doing. To quote the immortal Tropic Thunder: "I gotta baaaaaaad feelin' about dis..."

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:13 pm EST

I read that the AV's are probably going the route of protecting 8 Skaters & 1 goaltender... Conclusion: there in a sorry state of affairs over there....

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:11 pm EST

Rhet: I'm confused as usual, do the Habs have exclusive rights to negotiate with Radulov up until July 1? Sooner? ...... He has nothing to lose by waiting, there will be more teams bidding on his services............. OAN: They can still trade Galcheynuk in the interim, I don't see one playing off the other & vise versa... And from earlier re: Galcheynuk I guess I don't know who has the upper hand over there, just some mf psychobabble......

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:05 pm EST

It's not that I hate Pacoreitty it's that I would want a center coming back we have enough on the wings

tlats


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:34 pm EST

MF... The deal was reportedly in the works for about two weeks. I'm guessing Montreal was allowed to talk to Drouin's agent about parameters. I can't believe that none of these rumor guys even had a whiff of it. I don't remember seeing it anywhere.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:29 pm EST

Is stepan fetchit gone yet ? ....

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:26 pm EST

Rhet...maybe gal is about his agent working with a prospective GM ala a quick deal with Droiun. You know they didn't nail that contract in 4 hours...

Rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:23 pm EST

MF... The idea there is that they have limited resources and are only willing to sign one of them. The other will be trade bait. In Radu's case it would be trading his right's, which let's be honest.... who would really want them? That's why I think it's a bluff directed at Radu to get him signed more within Montreal's parameters than his(reportedly, they would prefer 3 years while he is looking for 6-ish).

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:04 pm EST

Max Pacciorety has 5 30+ goal seasons under his belt, Stepan 0

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:02 pm EST

Rhet: Radulov is an UFA & does not require a protective slot at this time, Galcheynuk does..... Interesting to see how the teams posture into the negotiations..... I'm sure StevieLegs would give Rads a tour of Brighton Beach to get him to sign with us......

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:51 pm EST

Wow... it appears to me that Montreal is using Galchenyuk to extort Radu into signing a more team-friendly deal(Mon would prefer 3-year term..... Per David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod ...... "So MTL talking w/ Radulov & Galchenyuk camps. Purely my take here: Whoever budges first get deal, other guy is traded/not signed. So fluid."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:46 pm EST

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... This is how fluid/wild things are in NHL right now... Some say Galchenyuk def getting moved, meanwhile Habs/27 having ongoing contract talks

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:27 pm EST

tlats... I did not mention that one because I don't think the source has any track record of ever being correct about a rumor.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:19 pm EST

I read something that Stepan for Pachoriety was a possibility.if true I rather just keep Step

tlats


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:12 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/canucks-sign-gudbranson-to-extension-1.780419

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:51 pm EST

If you follow this guy you know he never tweets rumors... well, hardly ever :) .....FullTilt Rangers Guy‏ @NYR_FullTilt ....... Just heard high probability Stepan will be traded. Wow. #NYR...... #NYR have discussed trades with several teams MIN is one.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:48 pm EST

Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey.... McKenzie on Eberle: "I think he's going to get traded." Not 100 percent guaranteed, but more likely than not. #Oilers..... McKenzie on Eberle: "I would say it's more likely than not the trade happens before the freeze on Saturday." #Oilers...... McKenzie mentioned #Oilers recognizing that there is "significant interest" in Eberle. "I think they want to turn the page," use $ elsewhere..... McKenzie: "My understanding of the situation is they've got plenty offers on the table right now." #Eberle #Oilers

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:36 pm EST

Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey ..... McKenzie: Brodin in Minnesota is a guy that is eminently available right now. I believe Minnesota is likely to trade him before the freeze.... McKenzie: "Montreal is by no means the only team in on Jonas Brodin." #mnwild #Habs... McKenzie: "I think it's crazy right now. I think there's all sorts of talk going on."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:30 pm EST

Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey ..... McKenzie: "I'll be really surprised if Galchenyuk is not traded here in the next little while." #Habs 1050..... LeBrun: "We know that the Canadiens want to re-sign Alex Radulov. They have not been in the same sphere, I'm told, in contract talks." #Habs

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:23 pm EST

theScore‏Verified account @theScore ....... Report: Alex Galchenyuk is still being 'actively shopped' by the Canadiens. http://thesco.re/2sEDrao

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:10 pm EST

TD..... Apparently, Yzerman really likes Mikhail Sergachev.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 5:05 pm EST

And the deal gets better for Montreal. Kudos to Bergvin. Well played. Yzerman must be drunk. Especially to trade DROUIN within his division. I would have gleefully given the SKJEI, TBH...but I'll wait to see what Gorton does...if he does what I think he's planning to do...namely arm the right side to the teeth...I won't be too worried about this opportunity lost.

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 4:59 pm EST

Renaud Lavoie‏ @renlavoietva ..... Jonathan Drouin contract: 6 years / 33M$ (5.5M$) @CanadiensMTL #tvasports

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 4:51 pm EST

?rpon Basu‏ @ArponBasu.... Habs sign Drouin to a six year extension

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 4:47 pm EST

The argument about GALCHENYUK at center is similar, if not identical to the MILLER-at-center argument. Namely that the Habs don't think he's good enough defensively to play the position. The irony I find is that Team USA had both in the middle for the WJCs and they ran the table...that team was about as dominant as they come...and they were good both defensively and offensively...It's double-edged sword for them...I understand why you'd move them to the wing...maybe more so in Galchenyuk's case because he's not so great at FOs...but their style of play just REEKS of center...They both can distribute the puck very well...They both have very soft hands and can dangle...but they're also high-risk, high-reward players...they do shit that gets the coach slapping his forehead...part of that is because they're young...part of that is a degree of cockiness...part of it is stupidity...At the NHL level, if you're a coach and you see some kid try to dangle a forechecker in the middle in or near the defensive zone, you pull that guy out of the middle...or just paste him to the bench(as was the case with Miller). I think with Galchenyuk, you could sort of do what the Rangers are doing with HAYES, which is get him to the third line and make sure you have two other centers who can play on the PK and for defensive starts...at least until the guy matures a bit...Montreal can't do that. They are so weak up the middle it's not funny. They tried and it just didn't work. But I think if you wanted, you could make him an effective center pretty easily.

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 4:28 pm EST

Irving Alice in wonderland or little red riding hood ... Moof on ...

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 4:17 pm EST

MF... How does he have the upper hand? He's just a RFA, So what? I'm missing the Rabbit Hole you're going down.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:45 pm EST

Rhet/WC: yes so we've read, but MTL is in a bind with this guy, and he has the upper hand which may drive down his value in a trade.... They may have to promise to play him at center in the next contract he signs, then again they can have him ride the pine

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:40 pm EST

MF... Montreal views Galchenyuk as a wing and not a center.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:37 pm EST

Ken Campbell‏ @THNKenCampbell ..... I'm told Drouin's agent Allan Walsh and Bergevin are already working on a deal. Also told Galchenyuk being "actively shopped" as of now.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:35 pm EST

With Drouin, can't the Habs just now resign Galchenyuk and play him at center

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:15 pm EST

Rhet: I think they fans in Montreal are tired of young potential or young star defenders being traded away. This time it seems like a better deal, hard to know until the kids grow up more and reach their potential, however high the ceiling is, but right now this is a Habs "win". ...and like I say for Rangers fans and the Rangers, I would tell them, wait until all the moves are done, this move can lead to another and another and the management there could look like pure geniuses....and the upset fans could look like total doofs

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:02 pm EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie .... Team to watch now is MIN. Lots of Jonas Brodin trade talk coming out of Twin Cities. I don't doubt Brodin would type of D MTL is targeting.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:58 pm EST

WOW... There are Habs fans on Twitter that are not happy about this deal. With their trading history, they obviously don't even know what winning a deal looks like anymore :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:56 pm EST

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod .... Clear here, Habs aren't done tinkering. They needed a top-6 winger and a center. Adding Drouin and losing Radulov isn't ideal

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:51 pm EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... It is believed MTL GM Marc Bergevin and Drouin's agent Allan Walsh have already commenced negotiations on a contract extension.Just opinion on my part, but if anything, I think this Drouin trade could make it more likely that Alex Galchenyuk will be traded. Especially if Drouin stays on the wing, MTL needs to fill hole(s) at centre and now, due to Sergachev departure, on the blueline, too.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:48 pm EST

TD... It was but in fairness to TB, they had their proverbial backs up against the wall. In regard to SkjeI: I probably would have too. We could have traded Hayes for a young D. the bigger question is: Can Galchenyuk be the Center for us that Montreal doesn't think he is?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:41 pm EST

td: Honestly I don't think I would have done that trade and given up on Skjei....if Drouin was a Center, a true center than yeah, but a wing? The Rangers are really deep at wing, and while they may not have a "superstar" there, teams with those kinds of wings without a really good top C don't win cups...so if I am going to give up a really good young D its going to be for a center of that level not a wing.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:38 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Steal?!? That was highway robbery! And within the division too! Although I've heard that SERGACHYOV kid is the real deal...rhetorical question: Would you have done SKJEI for DROUIN straight up? I think I would have...I just remember watching Drouin last season carry the puck for like a minute straight through the offensive zone. Was never much a fan of his until watching that. Think he could be an elite player.

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:35 pm EST

Leo: I thought of that and I'm kind of hoping he becomes a Flyer. Did I mention that the Wall is awesome in the off season!!!

Pal17


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:35 pm EST

WILD... Agreed, Duchene is the unknown variable that could derail us. Although Stepan reminds me more of a Montreal-type player.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:32 pm EST

Rhet: I was thinking the same thing...Galchenyuk for Stepan and a pick, I think a 2nd, but maybe thats too high? I don't know, i guess it depends on where the pick sits and how much the Rangers see value in both players and how much the Habs see value in both players. If the Habs have soured on Galchenyuk and he is "forcing" a trade the Rangers might be able to drag more out of them.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:27 pm EST

mf - I think the position on RAANTA is a little more pragmatic than, say, TALBOT, who had one foot out the door...Right now, you have to weigh what you can get for the guy...I think there's only a slight chance LV grabs him in the draft...maybe even less so now, since FLEURY appears bound for LV...When I look at the players available to them and their respective value, I'd say LINDBERG and FAST are one and two, GRABNER is a close three and Raanta brings up the rear. It will, however, be tough to trade him before the draft simply because that'll mean whatever team he goes to will need to protect him or deal with LV to ensure they don't draft him...afterward, I think there's a distinct possibility a team like the Jets could whip up a deal...but again, it's going to cost them premium, because the Rangers are going to want back something more than just the handful of picks they got for Talbot...what if the Jets offer up TROUBA for a package deal? Say HAYES and Raanta? Well, then you go for it. Because Trouba instantly makes this team better...A lot better...even if they have to rely on a trash goalie as their backup...if this is how things go down, my very first move would be to sign Jon BERNIER. But there are others out there they could grab who would suffice...and hey, you never know whether one of the kids in Hartford is ready to make that jump...Again, I get back to my thesis point over these past few weeks: The key to making the Rangers a better team is improving the defense markedly. If you can get two top-4 defenseman on the right, you could probably put a cone between the pipes and make him look like the second coming of Hasek.

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:26 pm EST

Montreal views Galchenyuk as a LW (he views himself as a C and also allegedly asked for a trade) and they now have picked up a legit LW, so are they still looking for a true Center with a surplus at LW? Would you deal Step straight up for Galchenyuk? I could see Galchenyuk and maybe a pick for Step.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:22 pm EST

As some are now saying...the Habs think of Galchenyuk as a LW now they have much more depth at LW and need a guy at C....brings more smoke to that Stepan rumor. I don't know if they want to give up what it will take to get Duchene at this point, he will cost a lot more than Step due to the perception that he will bring more...but who knows what they are going to do up there. The Habs have been so all over the board with trades that they may trade 2 first rounders and a Galchenyuk for Step just to piss off the fans they have moments ago made very happy LOL

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:18 pm EST

The Montreal Canadiens have pulled off the first big trade of the offseason, acquiring Jonathan Drouin and a conditional sixth round pick for Mikhail Sergachev and a conditional second rounder.

puckyou


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:15 pm EST

That deal was a steal for Montreal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:13 pm EST

Well, it appears Step remains a NYR unless Montreal prefers him over Drouin. I would do an even swap, Drouin for Step but that offer expires in the next six hours.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:10 pm EST

Also, Fleury did a solid for the Pens knowing that he would be taken. Very slim chances Staal or G would have been taken. At least without proving them with an incentive. BTW, there's also a rumor going around that G wouldn't waive his NMC for the draft. Maybe Brooks can get to the bottom of that one.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:09 pm EST

booommm Canadiens Montréal‏Verified account @CanadiensMTL 2m2 minutes ago More The Canadiens acquire Jonathan Drouin + a cond. 6th-round pick (2018) from TBL, in return for M. Sergachev + a cond. 2nd-round pick (2018).

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:07 pm EST

thedoc85..... I do too. Bettman totally set that team up like no other expansion team ever. BTW, I can also see us realistically not making a deal before the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:04 pm EST

WILD.... Hope springs eternal. You tell the guy you're going with youth and he will only be playing 3RD pairing minutes. 7th D. Maybe he'd want to go somewhere he can play more top 4 minutes instead. Look at the solid that Fleury did for the Penguins. If he refused to waive his NMC, the Pens would be looking at trading Murray or exposing him.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:02 pm EST

Rhet----Okay, I think I see your point------but with all due respect that seems like command of the obvious. Of course LV has the leverage especially if they smell a team anxious not to lose a particular player or two. In fact-----if George plays his cards right-----and I believe he will------he'll come away with a decent team and a bucket full of picks.

thedoc85


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:58 pm EST

Everyone keeps saying stuff about Staal being moved....well he made it rather clear he wants to stay in NY....sure maybe he would change his mind if asked to waive, but he controls if he leaves or not

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:49 pm EST

Poor Scott Arniel..... Per the Sporting News NHL‏ @sn_nhl ..... Sabres name Hall of Famer Phil Housley head coach http://dlvr.it/PMZ3zw

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:44 pm EST

thedoc85... What I'm saying is, perhaps Vegas was asking for a higher pick than the NYR were willing to give and now they have some leverage. We'll make Holden available and give you this lesser pick type deal. He's also not worthless, despite what many may think. Holden was ranked 45th in points among defensemen last season and was also tied for 21st amongst defensemen in goals.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:25 pm EST

Sorry. My last post was in response to Rhet.

thedoc85


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:24 pm EST

Las Vegas might make a deal for Holden because the Rangers offer other assets so they don't choose Oscar, Quickie or Raanta.

thedoc85


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:20 pm EST

Whatever the NYR do, it's hard to see the reality beat the expectations that fans have. Maybe we only bought out G so we can have an open D spot to use as leverage in a deal. For eg. why should the VGK make a deal for Holden when they could just take hm in the draft? Now, they would have to deal (if they did indeed want him). Maybe the biggest deal we have brewing is that we pay someone to take Staal off our hands. Who knows? It's also a big possibility that we stand pat in the next 24 hours. Only time will tell.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 1:00 pm EST

"IF" you were Queen of the Foooorrrrrreeessssssstttttttt ! :-)

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:52 pm EST

Irving ifing moofing

stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:34 pm EST

MF: You have way too many IF'S :)

DOUBLEN


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:32 pm EST

Pall7 - ...or Flyers. Or Penguins. Or Bruins. Or Habs...

LeoS


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:29 pm EST

NN, have you been lurking? :->) ... No I was not concerned on moving Talbot at the time, I was concerned about the NY Rangers focusing on "packaging" Talbot & Hagelin to trade UP in the talent level we got in return...... I still have that concern with the upcoming opportunity.......... my thoughts and questions are that, "IF" we get a young D'man in return trade, and "IF" we are going to sign Shatty, are we keeping both players? ……………. Are we going to offer a guy like Trouba or Dumba a contract extension of more than the $4.7 mill that McDonagh is currently signed at? ………………..I don't want either one of the newbies if they are not agreeing to a contract extension, it's a deal breaker IMO..................... Again “IF” Hayes goes the other way in that trade, “Do we want to then turn around and package the newly acquired young RHS Dman along with Stepan to try to land an upper tier 1st line center? … OR, … do we stand pat with Shatt, newly acquired young RHS Dman, and Smith, ….. which could probably compete for the toughest Defense in the league, ….and forego trying to land said 1st line center? ……. Regardless of what we may choose, we might have to move Stepan in the 1st part of the transaction to acquire a Trouba, Dumba, (I didn’t include Doug Hamilton because I think that Calgary may find an allure to reuniting Hayes with Johnny Gadreau) because of the amount of Cap Space we have to work with………………………………… AON: It’s obvious that we can score goals, if we can afford to keep Stepan, move Hayes, who we bring in as our new 3rd/4th line center is very important….. jmho’s naturally

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:21 pm EST

Just ordered a #5 Girardi jersey, hope he doesn't sign with the Devils or Isles

Pal17


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:52 am EST

MF: Were you worried after Talbot got traded regarding a back up goalie. For your perusal the UFA goalies..https://www.capfriendly.com/browse/free-agents/2018/caphit/all/goalies/ufa

DOUBLEN


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:36 am EST

NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports .... ‘Hawks hire Samuelsson, Granato as assistant coaches.... http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/06/15/hawks-hire-samuelsson-granato-as-assistant-coaches/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:30 am EST

s/b: then "shouldn't we" be offering Hayes instead of Stepan?

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:28 am EST

approx 2 weeks ago we covered the scenario of having RAANTA as our Backup Goaltender “VS” one of the 2 overpriced Dallas backups, and what that may translate to in the W/L column. We also need to consider worst case scenario of Hank going down to injury… I believe that the overall consensus was to keep Raanta ……. Granted, we’re talking Winnipeg here and not Dallas, but what has changed, who takes Raanta’s spot as backup? Has one of our kids come up the ranks & shown that they can compete for the position or do we have to go into the marketplace and find one?.......... ……….. “IF” the Jets are so hot on Raanta, and BTW it is rumored that Toby Enstrom a LHS Dman will NOT waive his NTC or NMC, which means that They are forced to move a RHS Dmen of Myers or Trouba or one will be left exposed, “”then we shouldn’t we be offering Hayes instead of Stepan””

mf


Thu Jun 15 2017 11:02 am EST

Adrian Dater has hinted that a Duchene trade is coming soon.... Per Elliotte Friedman‏Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ....All signs point to Phil Housley being next head coach of the Buffalo Sabres. Question is how soon it will happen.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 10:42 am EST

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod ..... The Habs may have interest in Drouin, but a deal for him involving Galchenyuk is not in the cards for Tampa, per source.... Drouin is "in play" but obviously has to be right offer. TB also listening on likes of Johnson, Garrison, Killorn.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:53 am EST

Upon some further analysis, it seems like the Jets is the most logical destination for Raanta. Winnipeg likes Hellebuck but he's young and still needs work and likely is not ready for the number 1 goalie spot, especially on a team under pressure to make the POs. He might be ready for a 41/41 (or thereabouts) split. There's no one else in the system capable of doing that with him. Furthermore, he doesn't have to be protected, so Raanta can be acquired and protected. This tandem gives the Jets room to further groom Hellebuck but not overwhelm him and perhaps, depending how the season unfolds, resign Raanta to a longer term deal. If Raanta does step up to be a legitimate number 1, then Hellebuck becomes trade-able (or even Raanta himself). This puts the Jets in a comfortable position going forward.

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:44 am EST

Popular theory now is the Rangers bought out GIRARDI and are working the phones to trade for a RHS defenseman...which would be consistent with the rumor they're shopping STEPAN...and if that doesn't happen between now and the noon roster freeze tomorrow, they'll sign SMITH to a contract and add him to the protected list...again...all making perfect since...A guy on Twitter who is a bit of a knob...scratch that...a knob...but who occasionally pulls a rumor or two from his ass...says the Jets are hot and heavy on RAANTA...and if there's any veracity to that rumor, then you have to believe the Rangers are talking about TROUBA...There are so many players I would pull from the Jets' system, starting of course, with Trouba...Another kid I'd love to grab from them: Jack ROSLOVIC...Would love to kid Claude's kid, Brendan LEMIEUX. ...Joel ARMIA is another I'd take.

tdchi


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:44 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun..... Beauchemin's agent Bob Sauve says the Avs never asked them about waiving NMC for expansion draft. Sauve says Avs GM Joe Sakic phoned Beauchemin last night to let the player know about the buyout, said it was about team getting younger.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:25 am EST

BTW, Beauchemin’s contract was an over 35 contract, so it wont affect the cap, but it will allow them to protect another player.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:16 am EST

Colorado Avalanche‏Verified account @Avalanche.... The Avalanche will buy out the remaining year of Francois Beauchemin’s contract.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 9:10 am EST

Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday ....... If -- and that's a big if -- the #Isles decide to trade Tavares, there's about a 0.0 percent chance they deal with a team in the division. Meanwhile, nothing has been decided with Tavares. Still hearing he's leaning towards staying. ..... NEWS Dreger | Sense is six or seven teams are in on Eberle. "The two that seem to be near the top of the front-runner list" for #Oilers' Eberle are #Avs and #Isles." .....https://www.fanragsports.com/news/dreger-sense-six-seven-teams-eberle/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:38 am EST

OFFICIAL: #NYR named Jed Ortmeyer as Dir. of Player Dev, Steve Eminger as a Pro Scout & Ben Prentiss as Strength & Conditioning Consultant.

stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 8:32 am EST

Bruce Garrioch‏Verified account @SunGarrioch .... Phaneuf has until today to give the Senators a new list of 12 teams where he can be dealt or last year's list stays in place. #Sens

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:34 am EST

So is shopping stepan fetchit a backhanded slap to ass vipe for constantly putting him out in the playoffs while this guy skated in quicksand? Guess the ntc clause is a part of it but all of a sudden they want to move him . He's the same player they gave that contract to . Who's taking his spot? Last year it was trading brassard. Who is it next year?

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:20 am EST

Ola... Lol!

Rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 7:01 am EST

RF4L- Like Hospo often say, Ola when you post you do not only write smart things, the way you put things is also very exquisite. I can just bow and say thank you.

Ola


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:57 am EST

RF4L- Thanks! I don't think its only smarts, its hard work too, I recon I have picked up a thing or two over the years. I also want to thank my supportive family. ;)

Ola


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:50 am EST

ola: You know Staal's got worse BO than Girardi? WOw, talk about inside knowledge!

rf4l


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:24 am EST

Stevie- Yeah, OTOH Staal's BO is worse than Girardi's. We get a hefty cap hit 2-3 years down the line with both bought out.

Ola


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:21 am EST

Hopefully this isn't just rearranging the chairs on the titanic. At some point the coach's excuses will be unacceptable. Then he'll blame the gm . If antti isn't here next season they better have a real replacement. Hank isn't getting younger.

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 6:11 am EST

I will be surprised if staal isn't moved or bought out today . Fishboy sounds like he has his big broom out . Someday he'll push his coach out .

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 15 2017 3:05 am EST

Ola....that might be right...by the time I saw the mistake I couldn't remember LOL. That's the problem with working grave shifts and having things to do in the middle of the day as well....brain gets all fuzzy.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 15 2017 2:24 am EST

Wildcard- I think you meant to write "move".

Ola


Thu Jun 15 2017 12:07 am EST

Not sure how I autocorrected to "love" meant to write one or something.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 11:00 pm EST

td: I can see a F for an F deal if it got a guy who was paid less. For instance Stepan for a different type of C that makes 1-1.5 mil less. That would allow for another love to sign or trade (or both) for help on the back end. As I always say, we need to wait until allthe deals and signings are done and look at the body of work not individual moves. The first move made could be the second one agreed to but necessary to make room for the other

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 10:30 pm EST

No hockey news for weeks...trying to catch up...Th Pimple SUCKS..Buying out Girardi I guess is OK, but keeping that POS decaying STaal instead??? I hope not..Not intrigued or happy with any of the names I see here on the Wall as possible trade targets....Not that I expected anything different with Gorton at the helm...

Hospo


Wed Jun 14 2017 9:50 pm EST

Dan Rosen NHL.com on NHL Network says Stepan is being actively shopped. he also views Stepan as a 2-3rd line center. Very slow on and poor on face offs. The New York Rangers will receive a lot of offers on Stepan. He thinks the New York Rangers are going to be active.

E


Wed Jun 14 2017 9:38 pm EST

Rhet: The other Droiun rumour has him going to Anaheim for Vatanen because, so that story goes, they need D.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 9:19 pm EST

Joe Smith‏ @TBTimes_JSmith ...... Joe Smith Retweeted Conor McKenna Really believe #tblightning would be looking for a D-man in a Drouin swap.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 9:05 pm EST

Good for McI - who knows where his career is headed, but nice little reward for his diligence and patience.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:53 pm EST

TD.... WHO?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:53 pm EST

mf - When guys like BUCHNEVICH and LINDBERG are riding pine, we're FAR out of the woods. We can lose a forward to the expansion draft and still be ahead of the game. And frankly, I think guys like PUEMPEL and JENSEN could very well assume full-time roles on the bottom lines if and when we do lose a forward. I worry a little about losing GRABNER, because we can't replace that speed...but I don't think he'll even be the second choice of the Knights...losing FAST or LINDBERG would be a blow...but both, ultimately, are replaceable.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:50 pm EST

Here's a little news: The Grand Rapids Griffins won the Calder cup, vanquishing the Syracuse Crunch. Lifting the cup for the Wings' farm team? Dylan McILRATH.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:46 pm EST

TD: As you are aware, we're not out of the woods with the forwards because we only have 7 protective slots for 10 forwards... Most of the trade proposals here have a forward lets say Hayes going for a defenseman, please add Dumba to your list... As far as rebuilding the RHS of the D, we land one of these young D and sign Shatty, add in Smith playing his off hand side on the right & "mission accomplished."

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:40 pm EST

This site states Galcheynuk is better suited at wing than center..... Alex Galchenyuk is an offensive forward with a strong scoring touch. Possesses quick hands with excellent puck control and can outplay defenseman in tight space. Galchenyuk isn’t flashy, but a powerful skater with tremendous edge work, as he can glide through the offensive zone like on rails and combined with his marvelous puck skills he can get himself into the scoring area. Needs to improve his play without the puck, as he’s better suited on the wing, instead the center-position. Has good size and is not afraid to play physical. Owns a very good shot and tends to shoot at sight, which makes Galchenyuk a dangerous Power Play-forward. (by Rafik Soliman, February 2016)... http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=74611 ... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7220

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:30 pm EST

WILD... Yes, the Expansion Draft is part of the new year. So is the regular draft. July 1st is when his NTC offically kicks in.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:30 pm EST

And let's not mince words here...all this business with shuffling forwards for forwards...well...you're running in place...if you're a GM and you want to improve the Rangers, you leave the forwards alone and focus almost solely on rebuilding the D. You can't buy out GIRARDI without a plan to do that...It was the Achilles heal of this team last season...Every issue I can think of...from the PP to the PK to their consistency all boiled down to the defense...the Rangers played as well as their defense played...When the D was playing good at the beginning of the season, they were blowing out teams...then when they went through that malaise from January through the trade deadline...well, what was wrong? Defense sucked...you had two guys who could rush well(McD and SKJEI)...another who liked to pinch(HOLDEN) and then three guys who couldn't do a damn thing(Any combination of STAAL, GIRARDI, CLENDENING, and KLEIN)...SMITH was a nice stop-gap, but he was more of the same...pretty much the poorman's version of McD...A lot think SHATTENKIRK is the answer...and he may be...part of the answer that is...The right side needs to be rebuilt. And that means getting rid of everyone over there and finding replacement. If the Rangers can land a genuine young puck mover like TROUBA, or HAMILTON or BARRIE without offsetting the forward lines in too extreme of a manner...and sign Shatty...well, you'd have one hell of a hockey club. And TBH, I think all of this is in reach...but not by trading a forward for a forward just for the sake of getting younger and cheaper.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:18 pm EST

MF... Gorton is shrewd. I think any deal would involve other pieces. I have no idea what it is with Montreal. They get tired of young players too quickly.... WILD.... In regard to Smith, I thought about that, but I don't think so unless another deal falls through. As always, that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:13 pm EST

I totally get why GALCHENYUK wants out of the clown city that is Montreal. They have basically screwed with him since he joined the team and retarded his development. The kid should be a center and for a team that has almost no one in the middle, they've been very cavalier about putting him at wing...I wouldn't be surprised at all of he asked for a trade...I mean, just watching them put him on a line with OTT and MARTINSEN...Just stupid...and then you have Julien as coach...a guy who wants absolutely nothing to do with skill hockey...Is he worth STEPAN is my big question...If Step is one thing, it's consistent. And that's one area where Galchenyuk hasn't been so stellar...someone posted that Step's contract is gonna be one we Ranger fans regret 'like Girardi'...well, I take umbrage with that...I think Step's contract is going to look absolutely phenomenal in a few years, when third-line centers are getting $5 million plus...Stepan is the trade that will come back to haunt the Rangers unless they get a piece that puts them over the edge...I love Galchenyuk as a player and think he has a high gear the Canadians haven't and never will realize...but I don't think Step-for-Galchenyuk makes the Rangers better...I do think, however, it would drastically improve Montreal...and Step is the kind of player Julien loves. He would become Montreal's Patrice Bergeron, sans the faceoff ability of course.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 8:04 pm EST

http://blackhawkup.com/2017/06/14/nhls-2017-18-salary-cap-likely-75-million-reversal-course/

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:59 pm EST

mf: Maybe but I honestly don't believe Gorton will trade his first away...

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:52 pm EST

Found this: According to several sources, the most likely outcome is a salary cap figure of $75-million next season. That is only a $2-million rise from last year..... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/6/14/15802454/bob-mckenzie-stepans-name-fairly-prominent-in-trade-chatter-rumors-derek-stepan-new-york-rangers

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:49 pm EST

Drew: LV has a window to sign RFA and UFA players that are not protected. If they sign that said player that counts as their selection. SO Smith COULD sign with LV if not protected and they would lose him. Something to consider.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:46 pm EST

Wasn't always a fan of 5. The man was a warrior. He gave everything he could Thanks for giving everything you had every night

kis


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:42 pm EST

Wild - if Smith is going to sign, couldn't they wait until after the expansion draft? I think that is what your point is. Also on the Hayes note, I thought that he was significant in getting Vesey signed. I'm not 100 percent for the "cliques" (Hagelin, Brassard, and Zucc had their bromance) but I'd like to keep Hayes. He fizzled in the playoffs a bit but I think he's got some unreached potential.

DREW


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:19 pm EST

Would Hayes & our 1st land us Galchenyuk ?

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:18 pm EST

RF4L: Or the Rangers are confident in Lindberg and they are going to dangle Hayes for a D. So many moving parts. Another thing, it might be that Smith is close to signing and will decide against hitting the open market, if so they will need to protect him.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:16 pm EST

RF4L: I think what will help determine what's Montreal does will be what the details are behind the scenes. And also, Anisimov is 3 years older than Step and of course Drouin, but to get Drouin they will need to give up more. Step might be that happy median between getting a bunch and giving a bunch.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:13 pm EST

BTW, interesting that this trade doesn't support the reasoning for buying out Girardi now vs in July so either Gorton has a few teams vying for Stepan (and this particular discussion got leaked and if so, probably via the Montreal presshounds) or there's a separate arguably closer trade in the works.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:04 pm EST

Ooh...that Droiun offer may be too tempting for Montreal - lots of upside there but not unlike Gal - work in progress bigtime. But then there's the French Canadian factor there, too. Significant difference vs trading for Stepan, where you know exactly what you're getting. There's pressure in Montreal not to even retool, lest they end up taking a big step back next year and then Carey Price bolts (UFA summer of 18). That said, the Hawk offer gives them both an established veteran and something future wish. Interesting. Who blinks first??

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:55 pm EST

Among all the memories, girlradi is in there .

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:52 pm EST

Rhea: Teams (at least some teams) will pay a bit more for trades in order to shuffle the deck for expansion protections, not sure if that will affect what the Habs are trying to do, but that mindset has settled in when guessing trade timelines.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:51 pm EST

rf4l: Doesn't shock me....I think that at the right price there are 30 teams that would improve with Giradi on the 3rd pair. Now of course that right price will be different depending not he team and of course some teams don't have any space at all. But he is better than most 5-6 guys in the NHL, and if he was paid as and was able to just play as a 5-6 guy he would still be a Ranger most likely

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:51 pm EST

Sorry, that should have been the next 48 hours. The thinking there is that the they'll want to make the deal before the Trade Freeze. That is flawed thinking as Montreal could elect to protect Galchenyuk and trade him before/during the draft. We shall see.... http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/latest-news/2017/6/14/15802758/report-habs-are-listening-to-offers-on-alex-galchenyuk-bob-mckenzie-trade-rumours-rumors-bergevin.... http://www.rawcharge.com/2017/6/14/15804346/nhl-trade-rumor-jonathan-drouin-and-alex-galchenyuk-rumblings-growing

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:49 pm EST

If we're dealin with Montreal, I'd rather have Gallagher & a pick.

hipcheck


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:39 pm EST

Okay, so the Alex Galchenyuk rumors go as follows.... Apparently he has asked to be traded....Montreal is talking to three teams about a deal....The teams with the most interest are as follows: Galchenyuk for Stepan(NYR). Galchenyuk for Anisimov+1st round pick(CHI). Galchenyuk+1st round pick for Drouin(TBL) ...The rumors are strong that he'll be traded in the next 24 hours.... Hold onto your hats!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:01 pm EST

Lots of Leaf fans clamouring for Toronto to sign Girardi!

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:51 pm EST

TSN doesn't know it's a$$ from it's elbow if they think that the NYR are leaving Stepan exposed. Right now he is our best trading chip(or if it did happen, it would be because we have a deal in place with VGK. The players being exposed to fulfill the requirements of the expansion draft right now are Grabner and Puempel, Holden, Klein (only need 1 defenseman) and Raanta. If we trade, Raanta, we can expose Brandon Halverson or Chris Nell instead. The NYR bought out G because a trade is brewing, we can't sign FA's until July 1st, so something is in the works.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:29 pm EST

Okay, it was killing me not being able to sign in to the wall today from work (it is blocked:)... Let me start off by stating that I have done my fair share of killing Dan Girardi over the last 5 years or so, but I have to say that I am actually going to miss the guy. He's the consummate professional and a total class act. Every NYR should play with the heart that he does. As a person, you don't get better than G and I hope when it's time for him to hang up his skates, we are smart enough to offer him a job. Good luck G, I hope you find a new home soon where you can continue your hockey career!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:26 pm EST

BTW, if the story is true and KK plans on retiring I don't get it. He's walking away from $2,900,000. If his back is that bad, he goes LTIR gets paid and retires next year. If his intention is to play in Europe this season he can't unless the Rangers say so. Perhaps the Rangers approve because they don't want him anymore and this route frees up his cap hit, although the LTIR does, too. Or is it a ploy to discourage LV from drafting him? Odd...

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:07 pm EST

All kudos to Dan Girardi ... left nothing unspent ... gave all he had.

Nick


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:06 pm EST

Good bye Dan A great shot blocker but otherwise a complete sissy, would never stick up for his teammates not sorry to see you go.

vcp1994


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:02 pm EST

Bye Dan, I loved your grit, you always bled Ranger blue...Good luck to you.

wiosa


Wed Jun 14 2017 4:04 pm EST

Latest boob rumor: Step and Nash for Galchenyk and Beaulieu. I also read somewhere that the Nash bit is a crock, but the Step part has legs.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:52 pm EST

I've been taking a break from hockey and just heard about GIRARDI being bought out and KLEIN possibly retiring from the NHL. First and foremost I just wanted to say that I have nothing but respect for GIRARDI. The guy was a class act from the moment he got to the Rangers until the day he left. He gave 100% of his body, effort and commitment to this team. He isn't the same player he used to be but he sure did show up in the playoffs again for the Rangers this year. I wish him the best of luck in whatever he decides to do with his life from here. Regarding KLEIN, I liked MDZ and was sorry to see him go at first. But KLEIN quickly made me feel like the trade was a steal for the Rangers. He was a solid guy who added a physical element and scored some big goals for the Rangers. He is another guy that will be missed. The Rangers are going to have to fill some big holes on D next year.

Vic


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:47 pm EST

I read that Galchenyuk's camp has Montreal over a barrel. Galchenyuk's camp is going to seek FORSBERG money 5-6 years at $6mill per, because Galchenyuk has a 30 goal season under his belt and wants to play Center, and Montreal is going to say you had an off season and they have been playing him on the wing....Survey Says, "Advantage Galchenyuk"

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:43 pm EST

Farewell Dan! You were a great Ranger and earned the respect from all fans. You were one of the main catalysts of this team's resurgence and one of my all time favorite players.

pete


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:43 pm EST

While I thought Girardi's game had slipped, it still is a sad day to see a guy who gave it all for the sweater leave. The guy was a class act. On trades, we'll see what Gorton comes up with. This is another example of Glen Sather playing chicken with a player, then have to overpay to keep him. The dead cap$ for the next 5 years are on him and his foolish management that resulted in far too lucrative contracts for Girardi, Staal and Stepan.

Bob


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:24 pm EST

That trade would be proven for projected, not dissimilar I guess to the Z/Brass trade last summer. It's an interesting proposal for sure. Would AV put Buch alongside Gal I wonder? Kinda makes sense, doesn't it? Galchenyuk BTW is an RFA so there's a bit of a risk there in terms of contract decisions. He's coming off his 2nd deal that paid him $2,800,000/per and despite his poor season will surely be seeking a pay raise. He turned pro at 18 meaning he's 2 years away from UFA so if he is acquired negotiations could get tricky, unless you sign him for 1 year at a good rate then pay him richly next summer if he builds on his year 2 seasons ago (when he scored 30 goals).

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 3:13 pm EST

The latest rumor I heard was that they're talking with Montreal about swapping STEPAN for GALCHENYK, with 'other moving parts.' I don't know what to think about that. I'm on the record praising Galchenyk...and if I were to break it down, I think he'd fit AV's game plan a lot better than Step...And if one of those 'moving parts' was MATTEAU, I'd be pretty pleased with the deal...I'm just not sure the Habs would do that without getting another Ranger roster player...and frankly, I have no idea who that would be...

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:45 pm EST

IMO Rangers are in a win now mode (where's Hospo?) no way do you trade Stepan for draft picks...... You trade Hayes & Company to Calgary for Hamilton & Bennet, then turn around & offer Hamilton & Stepan for a 1st Line center to trade up the Talent Level.... This is similar to what I hoped the NYR's would do with Talbot & Hagelin which never materialized..... Could you ph_ggin dream about MacKinnon/Zban/Bennet/Lindberg down the spine of our lines? .... You sign Shatty gfor nothing more than money, McD, Shatt/ Skjei/ Smith/ Staal/ (RHS rookie)..... yum yum, eat-em up

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:43 pm EST

TD: I think his contract is bad but I don't think he's a bad player and I believe it would be foolish to leave him unprotected because he'd be selected and flipped. I don't want to lose Lindberg but it's a no-brainer to me who of those 2 to expose. Stepan is a fine 2nd line centre, even if he is overpaid at that slot. I cannot believe he won't fetch a decent return in a trade. I am not surprised to hear the Stepan trade rumours - I am hoping indeed he's being shopped and Gorton has multiple suitors and is working to land the best return.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:40 pm EST

sings at 1.3 S/B signs at 1/3rd of his Ranger Salary.......

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:33 pm EST

RF4L - That is a mistake. The only way the Rangers would expose STEPAN is if they were getting something serious in return. Like if Vegas offered their first and second rounder. And I can't see that happening either. The only people who seem to think his contract is bad are the same fans who don't think he's a good player and that he should be exposed in the draft. And from what I can tell, none of them happen to be with an NHL team or a reputable publication that covers the league.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:22 pm EST

As for leaving Stepan exposed; I wouldn't put it passed management to orchestrate a trade with LV where IF we leave Stepan open and they can acquire X player or players, that they'd send our way foe Stepan. suspicious as usual

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:21 pm EST

Puempel at 725K. Looks like the Rangers have their 13th F...nice low cost for him, and if he finds his game it could be a steal.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:20 pm EST

Girardi: I got to believe that behind the scenes they may have discussed trading him to NYI or NJD so he doesn't need to uproot his family... BUT, do those teams have defensive slots to protect him from the expansion Draft? Wouldn't be surprised to see him land with either team, and if he sings at 1.3rd of his prior salary he's no worse off....

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 2:18 pm EST

The expansion draft is officially part of the next hockey year, that means Stepan would have to waive his movement clause to be exposed from what I have read. But the one cap site doesn't show that. I can't imagine they would expose him unless LV wassendi g them something to do so.....would be asianine, they can get assets in return for him....and even at a lower return he would still garner a hearty amount....

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:57 pm EST

Staal is probably waiting for the other skate to drop. I wouldn't be totally shocked if they do it to him tomorrow if they haven't found any takers .

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:56 pm EST

E: Staal is just 30. If he can stay healthy he can still be an effective d-man IMO. Alas, it's likely on the bottom pairing but top 4 isn't out of the question if he's healthy. It would be nice if he could be paired with someone who can handle the puck efficiently.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:54 pm EST

That TSN article on Stepan says that he's projected to one of the two Ranger forwards exposed in the Shower draft (Pimple being the other one). That's not the first time I've read this. I know we discussed this possibility on here several weeks ago but I must admit I find it hard to believe Gorther would do that. I know Stepan's contract is silly and in a few years likely will be one fans are clamouring to be bought out but to believe he wouldn't be taken by LV is well...silly. I cannot see how the Showers would bypass him. I'd think they'd draft him to flip him and if that's the case, why can't Gorton find a suitor now (which hopefully is precisely what he's doing).

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:53 pm EST

Girardi was remarkably durable and had the ability to suppress pain like few can. Staal has just taken some awful injuries. I believe that while Girardi overachieved thru his career by just playing blood and guts hockey, Staal has just been worn down by some really bad injuries. His upside was much higher than he plays with now. He's a shell of what he's supposed to have been if his career wasn't sidetracked with what he's endured. It's sad really. Both G and Staal were such a huge part of this team for so long. So many seasons. But now one is gone and and the other is the last of the Mohegans.

E


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:48 pm EST

Girardi was one of the contracts that were a reward for past loyalty, effort, and success with the team. It was not based on the future. And mind you, I think Girardi deserved the contract as much as I dislike him as a player in this league right now. He paid his dues and earned his stripes. I'm glad to turn the page though. Obviously, we wish him luck. I'll still contend that this type of shot blocking, blood and guts guy is a relic in the game today. It's about possession. I don't care if you dive, block a shot with your face. If it's going to bounce to the wall where the other team retrieves it, there just isn't much to that. Defenseman have to gain possession now in the NHL. They have to be able to get it in the stick and make a play. Against teams like Ottawa, I have trouble recalling a single rush generated off of his stick. Everyone shot blocks now. Some are specialists at it. I'm not a big fan of someone who excels at this yet doesn't do much else. This is why when people get all giggles about a guy like Russell in Edmonton I'm so ho-hum on the guy. Yeah, he blocks shots but then what? His possession numbers suck. And that's what matters to me. Teams with the puck win.

E


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:48 pm EST

Expansion Draft Buzz: Dan Girardi to be bought out by Rangers Defenseman likely to be exposed to Golden Knights; will count against New York salary cap for six more seasons by Pete Jensen @NHLJensen / NHL.com Staff Writer

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:46 pm EST

If I'm not mistaken, Staal's had 3 concussions now. The first we're all quite cognizant of. He was concussed by his brother in March (4 or 5 years ago), missed a couple of games then finished the season, only to suffer from symptoms all summer long and show up to camp that fall still plagued with them. He subsequently missed a long stretch of time recovering. I believe he suffered another one 2 years ago and for sure, missed time this past season because of another. There was plenty of talk that he was also concussed as part of that severe eye injury he suffered 2 or 3 years ago. For certain, Staal has slowed down due to 'upper body' issues and given the severity and the fact that it's his head/face that have born the brunt of his injuries, it's no wonder. Girardi, on the other hand, had injuries with his foot and knees, none of which really slowed him down once he recovered. IMO, with G it's a combination of his age, style and the game speeding up in general that has lessened his effectiveness. It's quite possible, in other words, for Staal to regain some of what he's lost if he can stay healthy and deal with surely what must be a lingering mental stress aspect of his injuries. Head injuries are a scary thing and IMO very few people, professional athletes or not, are able to simply ignore the concerns about extended damage one may suffer from long term. I maintain that's part of why Rick Nash so frequently plays on the perimeter and rarely now goes hard to the net. I cannot imagine having to spend days and weeks in a dark room, avoiding TV and sunlight and anything reasonably/normally stimulating, coupled with the public knowledge of fellow retired athletes dying prematurely of brain disease, then once recovered going back to what caused the injury in the first place and never thinking about it. That's robotic and for most, an impossible thing to do.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:45 pm EST

I know some Ranger fans are gleeful about the GIRARDI buyout. I am not among them. I guess you can say the bandage needed to be ripped off...that the Rangers needed to part with this guy one way or another and that this is the cleanest break...but in my mind, the only way this was a good move is if the Rangers saw no other way to get out from under his contract and didn't see him as a top-6 defenseman anymore. This buyout will linger around the Rangers like a wet fart. And somewhere down the road, it's probably going to mean losing or trading a good, young player...there wasn't a guy who gave more to this team over the past decade than G. He sacrificed every day...and while he wasn't worth his contract, it was the least the Rangers could afford him for what he gave them over his career. A class act and I'll be really sad to see him in another NHL jersey next year...because if he showed this team and its fans anything in the playoffs, it's that he still has gas in the tank. Good luck, G. Total class act. Sorry to see you go.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:40 pm EST

So stepan fetchit is still skating in quicksand.... but his lips still moving a mile a minute?

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:26 pm EST

melvillefred: Staal has had one concussion...hardly "issues"

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:17 pm EST

....Girardi definitely a Class Act, wish him well....would rather have seen Staal bought out given the Concussion issues.

melvillefred


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:17 pm EST

Things beginning to get interesting

puckyou


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:08 pm EST

How about this thought. If Step is traded that means the two alternate captains will be gone from last year. I known staal had the A from time to time I think, but still, talk about a shake up if Step is moved....nothing says "we need to change" like move on from guys with letters on their chest.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:08 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/rangers-stepan-on-trade-market-1.779026

puckyou


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:07 pm EST

RF4L: as you said he got too expensive for a 3rd pair guy (unless they found another entry level deal for he top 4 to balance out the cap hits of the D and that's not happening) but he would be more than worth it IMHO for 2.85-3 mil per for many teams I would think. Issue is, were any of those teams on his trade list? And teams may have been betting the Rangers would buy him out and decided it was worth the risk since he is t a top pair guy anymore so no major loss if they miss out so trades wouldn't have developed....and perhaps they feel they can get him for 2-25-2.5 per saving against the cap a little. But with a Stepans name out there I imagine they want a D back and needed the protection spot for expansion....but that will be a bit longer until we know.

Wildcard


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:05 pm EST

Oh Well...After the playoff showing I would have been ok with Girardi as a third pair D...I would rather see Staal out of here...He is a disaster out there.....

PJ


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:00 pm EST

RF4L: I have seen this one thrown around..Stepan for Galchenyuk with some other moving parts.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:58 pm EST

For me------it's not about that. I'm not trading Kreider.

thedoc85


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:55 pm EST

OK, so who else has to come the Ranger way for those 2?

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:54 pm EST

I'd make that trade. If I were GM of the Wild, that is.

thedoc85


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:40 pm EST

How's this for a trade-abator? Stepan and Kreider for Dumba and Coyle?

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:40 pm EST

Per Bob McKenzie's twitter...NYR centre Derek Stepan's name is fairly prominent in trade chatter. Stepan's contract has four more years with AAV of $6M.

DOUBLEN


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:38 pm EST

mf: If Shittenkirk is signed, it'll be on July 1, meaning that 3rd d-spot goes to Holden or someone Gorton is about to acquire. Stepan for Dumba anyone?!

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:38 pm EST

Damn, for as long as I've been thinking (2 years) it's time for #5 to go, I'm now a little wistful. Damn fine Ranger career for an undrafted guy.

LeoS


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:37 pm EST

And I see no reason to rejoice the departure of Girardi other than the obvious - he's too expensive for a bottom pairing d-man, which is what he's become. I have nothing but admiration for the player and the man - a consummate team player who sacrificed his body over and over and over again with nary a word of complaint. For a guy never drafted, he forged a fine NHL career that I suspect isn't over yet - he's probably going to sign somewhere, likely with a team that's not a basement dweller, for something between $1,000,000 to $2,000,000 and coupled with his buy-out money will continue to do quite well financially. I feel for him in that he surely wasn't ready to leave the Rangers but that sympathy is mitigated by the financial compensation he gets to reap.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:33 pm EST

Wow, I honestly didn't expect that. But not surprised, however, that Girardi is no longer a Ranger - I figured he'd be gone July 1 (or shortly thereafter). So, given the fact that in theory, he was trade-able in 3 weeks, why the buyout? I can conceive of 3 reasons: 1) Gorton explored the possibility of moving him with those teams that are not on his no-trade-to list starting July 1st - even the Rangers eating a chunk of his contract (equalling, say, the buyout penalty) to move him would be better than a buyout if such a deal brought something back - but found no interest. If so, you may as well buy him out now and create a little more expansion draft breathing room vs waiting for what really is inevitability. 2) There's a deal imminent (re before the Shower draft trade freeze window) that will bring back a d-man, thereby creating the need to open up a spot to protect that player. 3) The Rangers don't want to lose Holden to the Showers and now can protect him. I'm hoping it's choice 2! We'll see soon enough.

rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:28 pm EST

Also: The Rangers just manufactured an "expansion draft protection slot" on the Defense.. This allows for a trade which brings us back a defenseman, or to sign Shattenkirk...

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:23 pm EST

Dan Girardi = "Class Act!"

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:21 pm EST

So it is written, so it shall be done! BTW: if NHL Numbers are correct that our Cap Room is at $10.125 mill, and Girardi saves us $2.888 mill for next season, our current Cap Room is: 13.013 mill (do the math :->)

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:21 pm EST

A Message from Dan Girardi... I would like to take this opportunity to thank the New York Rangers organization for giving me the opportunity to fulfill my childhood dream of playing in the National Hockey League. I would also like to thank James Dolan, Glen Sather, Jim Schoenfeld, Jeff Gorton, John Rosasco, Jason Vogel, all of the coaches and front office staff, Jim Ramsay and his amazing training staff, the equipment staff, and all the Madison Square Garden employees for making my past 11 years so special. I have spent one-third of my life as a New Yorker and as a New York Ranger. New York will always be our second home. I started my family here, got married to my wife Pam, and had our two children, Landon and Shaye. We have been fortunate to meet so many great people and our kids have made so many friends. I also wanted to thank all of the Blueshirt faithful. You are one of the best and most passionate fan bases in the NHL. I appreciate your support over the years. I poured my heart and soul into this team for the past 11 seasons and I enjoyed every minute of it. I want to acknowledge that the Rangers are a first class organization who have always treated our players in a first class fashion. My family and I are most grateful for the way we have been treated during our stay in New York. Lastly, I want to acknowledge how great it has been to play alongside all of my teammates, including some Hall of Famers, for the past 11 years. I am going to miss all of the friends I have made along the way, but my family and I are looking forward to the next chapter in our lives. I wish the Rangers good luck and success in the future. Sincerely, Dan

RF73


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:19 pm EST

If he's interested offer him d coach in Hartford

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:12 pm EST

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/dan-girardi

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:04 pm EST

Link to the Rangers announcement of Girardi buyout.

Bob


Wed Jun 14 2017 12:02 pm EST

https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/875035414658154496

Bob


Wed Jun 14 2017 11:54 am EST

done s/b down

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 11:54 am EST

TD: Yeah always liked Jed. Lacked Zucc's skill but had the same all out hustle. Could be wrong, but I think he never won but was always strongly considered for the Steven McDonald award.

Ranger47


Wed Jun 14 2017 11:53 am EST

TD/Evets1980.... If you could pull off that deal with Calgary, you got to be thinking of immediately turning Dougie Hamilton into a Trade Chip.... Think about the possibilities, picks, prospects, part of a package to "trade up on the talent level at another position such as, "Hamilton & Stepan for Nathan Mackinnon" tweak or season as necessary to get-er-done....... Then you turn around and sign Shattenkirk for nothing but Dolanopoly Money, and you have Mackinnon / Z'bad / Bennet / Lindberg done the center..... We just got younger, and a hell of a lot faster with Mackinnon & Bennet replacing Hayes & Stepan..... And I forbid anyone from trading Sean Day, he will be our Chelios / Lindstrom over time........

mf


Wed Jun 14 2017 11:05 am EST

Some small Rangers' news...Team has resigned Matt PUEMPEL and is now compliant with the expansion draft regs. He will be exposed, but is not expected to be selected. Rangers can now work out longer term deals with players like FAST and LINDBERG...The Rangers also hired a couple familiar faces...Ben Prentiss, who has worked with KREIDER and NIEVES, as well as Marc STAAL and brother Eric, MSL, BRASSARD and a whole host of other successful NHLers(including, BTW, SHATTENKIRK) was hired as the strength and conditioning coach...And one that I personally like: Jed ORTMEYER was hired as director of player development...I have a special place in my heart for Ortmeyer...Was a guy who probably wouldn't have made the pro ranks much less the NHL had it not been for his ethic and attitude. Just a solid team player...He was a big part of the Broadway revival after those dark pre-lockout years...A guy who hustled every shift and helped dull the memory of all the overpaid veterans who grabbed a check and checked out for 82 games.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:41 am EST

and this one will last a lifetime!

Pal17


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:23 am EST

Oh happy day in a lifetime

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:17 am EST

Happy 23rd Anniversary to the 1994 Stanley Cup Champion New York Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:14 am EST

TD... Yeah, from evrrything I've read, BEREGLAZOV and PIONK and one other guy maybe, will be given every opportunity to make the team.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jun 14 2017 7:00 am EST

evets - That's an interesting thought...I'd do HAYES, RAANTA, GROPP and GRAVES for BENNETT and HAMILTON...think actually that deal is pretty fair for both sides of the coin, though I suspect the Flames would want to get a better return for Hamilton...Bennett would slide into the third-line center's role...and Hamilton would give the Rangers what they've desperately sought on the right side...not sure how everything shakes out contract-wise...and for the Rangers, the biggest issue would then be finding a replacement for Raanta...basically, their only real hope would be to lure BERNIER to the team, IMO...or pray that HALVERSIEVE pulls his head out of his ass...still, I'd do that deal. Just not so sure the Flames would...they'd get a great tandem and be able to reunite Hayes with GAUDREAU...Not sure if Gropp and Graves would be enough though...and I suspect you'd need to throw in DAY into the mix instead of Graves.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:52 am EST

mf - re: KLEIN, I can't recall who was talking about it, but it was either a reputable blogger or one of the pundits who described him shortly after the season ended as one of the biggest issues facing the Rangers...that he was/is basically untradeable...more so than any other Ranger D. I remember scoffing at the notion. But now, in wake of the rumor from Brooks? Not so much. Sounds a lot like he's got a degenerative back condition...what I will say is that it's a shame they couldn't/didn't trade him at the end of last season...but at that point, he was still a relatively cheap contract for the right D...re: the rest of the D: Folks keep assuming BEREGLAZOV and PIONK are starting in the minors...and I keep pointing out that both had much better options ahead of them than riding the AHL bus and making pennies on the dollar. Bereglazov could have easily stayed in the KHL and made many times over what he'd get paid in the A...and Pionk? I'm sure there's at least one...most likely more than one...NHL team that would guarantee him a spot. I don't think either is going to the minors unless they tank and/or someone really outplays them. Either way, that's two relatively cheap defensemen right there...Assuming HOLDEN is to Vegas and Klein retires, they have the cash to sign SMITH(as you said)...that's five defensemen right there...and that's before you consider them moving one of the two top-earners, as most of us suspect they will...I maintain they will keep one of STAAL and GIRARDI, if not both. I don't think the Rangers will overpay to get rid of either...if they find the right deal to move one or the other, then boom. They have money to make a pitch for SHATTENKIRK...So in that case, your 2017-18 Ranger D looks a little like this: McD-Shatty, Staal-Smith, Skjei-Pionk with Bereglazov playing seventh defender...If they don't/can't move Girardi/Staal, I think that's when you'll see them go after a young blueliner with a negligible cap hit. But I don't for one minute believe they will move someone like STEPAN or even NASH or any of their forwards simply to shoehorn more cap on D.

tdchi


Wed Jun 14 2017 6:40 am EST

Mf. Your last post covering the cap. Exactly! The team's cap room is limited thanks in large paet to 5 contracts. Gorton has a tough task ahead of him.

Rf4l


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:26 am EST

Ola "Everyone can just sell the picture of building for the future and keep their job for years despite only building a card house..." that's the gm's, coaches, and companies ' answer to playing for the tie and just getting the checkmark for the playoffs.

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:20 am EST

The nyr can only afford to lose 1 center from stepan fetchit to Hayes or cheesy, and move jitters to center and resign ZBAD. . I assume they can't try to sign Captain Kirk until July 1 and there's little to no reason to trade for his rights with the craps . Is quickie eligible to be unprotected since he's injured?

Stevielegs


Wed Jun 14 2017 5:12 am EST

All reports have a ton of action happening the coming days. Some rumblings about deals with Vegas to not picks players and to dump a contract or two on them. The talks about hockey trades is much lower so far than expected. I am sure Gorton is trying his best to actually pull off some real trades, but I don't expect it to be easy. There has been talk about there being a ton of action in the coming month, I believe it when I see it. Vegas can pick 31 players, but only need about 25 for a roster. They have no farm whatsoever -- and will of course value draft picks. They have cap space. There should be a handful of Vegas trades at least. The draft is coming up. A normal low action year, there should be at least a couple of non-minor trades. But will there be much more than that? I don't have much faith in NHL GMs. I believe it when I see it. From a optimal NHL team governmental point of view there should be at least 15-20 bigger trades. So many teams are not heading in the right direction, cannot solve problems with drafting and free agents, and should just upgrade THEIR teams by moving players they have in an area of strength for players in an area of weakness. But there are so few incentives for GMs to make trades these days. Making a trade is a huge risk, you can lose it. With the Cap, there is no pressure on anyone really. Everyone can just sell the picture of building for the future and keep their job for years despite only building a card house...

Ola


Wed Jun 14 2017 1:21 am EST

mf: I think that's why they are looking at movzing Step and may eat some cap of Giradi to get him moved to open up space. Doing so would likely give them 5 mil in space depending on players who come in return.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:10 pm EST

http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/NYR?year=2018 ......... This site has us with 10.125 mill of Cap Space... If Klein & Holden leave, their salaries ($4.55 mill) will more than cover the cost of SMITH, but that only cover 5 Defensemen unless you're starting KAMFER BALLZ at you 6th D'man............. NEXT with the $10.125 Mill, we need to sign: Fast, Lindberg, & Z'Bad but that's only 12 forwards.... If Fast & Lindberg cost you $2.5mill, and Z'bad cost's you $5mill, that leaves $2.625 million to sign a 6th Defenseman & a 13th forward... These numbers are considering no change to the Cap Limit......... AS is there is NO room to sign Shattenkirk............... SideNote: Klein retiring or moving to a European League robs us of an opportunity to trade him alone or in a package for a return...

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:37 pm EST

How are the Blackhawks over the cap, year after year? $4.5 Mil over the cap. Pittsburgh doesn't have those problems.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:22 pm EST

MF... i agree with his sentiment, but that proposed line is just plain ridiculous.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:55 pm EST

http://elitesportsny.com/2017/06/13/done-d-new-york-rangers-need-fix-4th-line/

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:52 pm EST

MF: I tore my ACL, and had a fractured patella, strained the MCL and some other gory crap. Anywho, it took me a looong time to heal. Now I know that these guys have access to the best surgeons in the business and have rehab resources that are incredible. But it's a 6+ month injury. My point with Thornton is, he may make it back and regain his form. After all, he was playing at a high level still this season. But he's gonna be 39 on a recovering knee. SJ doesn't need him back, but he is their Messier. They'll let him go out on his terms.

E


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:25 pm EST

RHET: I too think we're stronger with Stepan than with Hayes... What can you get for Hayes? Do you add something / someone with him to expand the trade? Does Hayes & our 21st get Dallas' 3rd pick? You need a war-room with all these names & moves on the wall to track the options

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:21 pm EST

E: Malkin too ripped up his MCL & I believe his ACL too.... He lead the playoff scoring.... I can tell you that the repair doesn't last forever....

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:15 pm EST

MF.... I will trade anybody if it makes us better, but I'm not sold on Hayes defensively at the center position. That's a big reason why I'm leery of trading Stepan.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:14 pm EST

E: I rehabbed ACL replacement surgery 2X: Autograph (from the patient) 2nd time Allograph an ACL from a cadaver..... It's not difficult, granted I rehabbed like a marine....

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:12 pm EST

E... I'm not sure, because we're NYR fans and think we can sign everyone? Per Jimmy Murphy‏Verified account @MurphysLaw74 Jun 5 ..... Hearing there is mutual & strong interest between #SJSharks & Joe Thornton to keep Thornton in San Jose.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:11 pm EST

I'm happy to trade Hayes over trading Stepan, and an acquiring club with Cap constraints may prefer Hayes.... I don't know who or what we'd have to add to land Trouba? Calgary may see some allure to bringing Hayes on the roster with Johnny Gadreau, we'd need to get Hamilton in the exchange... Minny might be willing to do Hayes for Niedereiter or Charlie Coyle straight up, but all these team MUST trade before the expansion draft or pay the Extortionist... If they pay LV to keep their paws off, many of the teams have found a way around the spirit of Bungholio Buttmans position protection scheme...... Goes to show you the brilliance of the free market.... Luv it!

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:04 pm EST

As the resident CA guy can i point out that Thornton has a shredded ACL and MCL. he's had surgery but may need to go under the knife again to shave out scar tissue. He is 38 and won't be back till 39. If/when he does come back it'll be to SJ. There is no upside to NY for him. the New York Rangers are not a better team, he is close to closing out a HOF career. I'm not even certain he'll play again. but if he did? why would he leave Santa Clara?

E


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:01 pm EST

MF... Sorry, I twisted it. Kovalchuk is still the property of the Devils. They would have to do a sign and trade or every team in the NHL would have to approve him going to another NHL team (not the Devils). As of April of 2018, he will be an UFA.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:53 pm EST

MF... He just seems to be every NYR fan's go to so they can trade Step. We should see who's available this week as many teams will not want to expose better players and lose them for nothing, so they'd be willing to make better deals. Maybe we can deal Hayes plus for a defender. It' possible the best we can do is get rid of G and add a couple of Rookies. The limited assets we do have will be further limited by the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:47 pm EST

Rhet: whats this about any one team denying the Devils to do what? which would turn Kovalchuk into an UFA? Would the team owners break collusion and do that to a fellow owner?

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:45 pm EST

I didnt say Thornton in this conversation, someone else did..... Let's say we trade with Minny, Stepan & ? for Dunmba and say Nino Niedereiter (so we'd have a NN for NN! :->) Can Nino play center? Hockey news says yes... Do we prefer Charlie Coyle to NN? BTW, I believe both play wing & center but Minny has these two on the wings hence their need for a Centerman........ So, we'd get the RHS Dman in Dumba, and then one of these two dudes would need to fill in for Stepan, OY Vey I'm not feeling too confident about that..... It's a fustercluck

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:44 pm EST

Evets: that would be a disaster of a trade....a disaster. Talk about over paying.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:40 pm EST

Also, You can't trade Stepan without getting a center back. Expecting a 38 year old Joe Thornton to fill that hole is also a dangerous proposition.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:38 pm EST

MF...Honestly, I don't know you can fix both the offense and the defense and still have the cap space to do it. I think the most we can ask for this season is to re-vamp our D with young players (and maybe Smith). With that, we'll still probably have to keep Staal on the roster.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:37 pm EST

Evets1980: Calgary looks like the could use a center, so does Winnipeg for that matter, so does Minny-soda for that matter.... Hockeybuzz has a bunch of players on those teams listed as Centers but many of the players are playing on the wing....

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:31 pm EST

Truth be told, if we acquired any one of Trouba, Hamilton, Dumba, do we really need Shattenkirk? ..... If you want to turbo-charge the D by acquiring one of thos 3 and signing Shattenkirk, you need to move some serious money: Girardi $5.5per (do we have to eat part of that? it may come down to eating $$$$ vs throwing in a prospect in lieu there of) Klien gone saves us $2.9mill, keeping Staal, well then Holden gone saves you $1.65mill.... I still think we should GO FOR IT (Hospo) and sign Kovalchuk........ Going to need more cap room to pull this off, who are you trading? Hayes $2.6, Miller $2.75, Stepan $6.5.....

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:26 pm EST

Please, please, please no to Kovalchoke. More of so much what we've seen in NY for way too many years IMO. If Gorther's itching to spend big dollars on a new player/contract, sign Shittenkirk, not that I think that's prudent, unless he's willing to take a significant home discount. Chasing the rainbow and all that....

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:24 pm EST

Kevin Hayes needs to take some Aaron Judge pills

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:23 pm EST

MF/WILD... I've also seen suggestions on Twitter that we trade Stepan for a defenseman and then sign Joe Thornton to replace Step. You know Thornton would be done as a player as soon as we sign him. It's the NYR way. Plus, he'd also be an over 35 contract.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:22 pm EST

With Calgary in desperate need of goaltending, I wonder if they'd go for some type of iteration of the following: Raanta, Hayes/Miller, Graves, and Gropp for Bennett and Hamilton.

evets1980


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:20 pm EST

Heart-Lung machines for $1000 Alex

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:20 pm EST

Rhet: no, I was unaware of that, then by all means some team must say NO.... If Stepan and Hayes came to camp 1/2 step faster than they are I may feel differently....... My recent affinity to Kovalchuk is a timing thing as in the here and now... I feel that this is a guy who can stand up to the Malkins, Crosbys, & Ovechkins of the league, talentwise, and in physical stature... He's a RHS, Dyno on the PP, would immediately be the best one-timer on the team, and like I posted yesterday, I think his offense will rub off on Nash & that Nash's Defense will rub off on him.. Can I substantiate any of this? Of course not.... So, how do you want to skin this goose? Trade G&S to create $$$$ room, or trade Stepan or Hayes? Quack!

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:09 pm EST

Wild: Re Gropp. We'll see. I hope you're right. I'm not saying he's got no chance of developing to that point (re top 6 power forward type) but if so, he's got a long way to go as it stands now.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:01 pm EST

that should be Rhet....silly autocorrect...

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:00 pm EST

Rhea: I agree on Kovelchuck (sp). He will be a UFA next year, and that actually makes more sense at that time, even with him older, Nash will be gone and there will be room for him. The ONLY thing I could MAYBE see is if the Rangers trade a wing along with Step or Hayes for a top end C, and move Lindberg up, and need another scoring wing to replace the one traded....AND they also got other assets in those trades.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:58 pm EST

td: Yeah his story is quite amazing. In fact it seems from what I have read, that if he had that happen in any other city he would not have made it. The machine and the doctor that used it were nearby, and I guess there are only a few in the entire world....great story of survival, unfortunate it had to happen at all, but seeing the clips off him getting back on the ice are just amazing.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:58 pm EST

MF... So we weaken the center position(which you agreed earlier today didn't make sense) to sign a 34 year old forward? While also giving the Devils assets to boot. I officially pass.... Also, do you realize that if we simply vote no to Kovalchuk coming back(all it takes is one "no" vote), he can be an UFA Next season?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:52 pm EST

RumorBreak‏ @RumorBreak ....... #BREAKING - Radulov has also agreed to a contract extension with the Canadiens. 5 years, close to $6.25M per is what i am hearing.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:52 pm EST

Incredible feature on Craig Cunningham. Knew a little bit about his story, but never for the life of me realized his heart had stopped for 83 minutes. That's a long fucking time to be essentially dead: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1iDsQhj5l8

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:46 pm EST

yes, and trade Stepan & Girardi, (klein & his 2.9 are sunshine)

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:32 pm EST

MF... You want to sign Kovalchuk and Shattenkirk?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:31 pm EST

This writer feels Ilya Kovalchuk will cost between $5.75 mill (Radulov money) and $7mill per... But what do the Devils want & need in return? LHS defensemen we have ..... http://thehockeywriters.com/ilya-kovalchuk-worth-risk-st-louis-blues/

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:04 pm EST

Is that why they call it "sleeper" picks?

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:43 pm EST

SLEEPER PICKS: ALEXEI LIPANOV HAS A LITTLE BIT OF JONATHAN TOEWS IN HIM..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/sleeper-picks-alexei-lipanov-has-a-little-bit-of-jonathan-toews-in-him

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:28 pm EST

rf4l: Gropp "solid" after a bad start? I would say 60 of 63 games with at least one point is, even for an overage player excellent. He was also hailed as the leader of that team that had been without a real good one for the early part of the season. He I think is still on track per what people expected, a responsible two way guy with a blistering shot (how he scored a bulk of his goals this last season) with a very quick release (if you watch film on the kid the puck exploded off his stick with seemingly little effort) who is projected to be a 2nd or 3rd line player who can score in the NHL that was going to be a little longer term getting there than other players of the same type. So he needed an overage year in Junior but that is kind of what being longer term means right? This year in camp will be much more telling, I imagine he will need a season or two in the AHL to adjust to the speed of the pro game. But you can't teach size and skill like he has to get accurate shots on net quickly with zip...guys either have a high end shot or don't, you can improve it, but when it comes naturally its different. But we need to see him do better this camp than last. I think the biggest plus from what I have read is that he grew mentally and matured as a person and leader. That will be the thing that helps him get through the rough transition going to the pro ranks. I think he will be fine, thats just a gut feeling and will be sent down the AHL early in camp, but that doesn't mean he has no future, I think he is going to be the prototypical bigger forward and need a little more time,

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 5:51 pm EST

The Russia kid I believe is the Rangers only blue chipper. Day has the potential to be that but IMO he needs to continue to blossom next year, probably back in junior, although if Sather has his way, Day (if permitted by the rules) might be in the AHL which IMO will not be the right decision, unless he wows in camp. What is Gropp I wonder? Horrible fall for the Rangers last year but what appears to be a solid over-age junior season. Can he progress? After that, meh, as some are apt to say in here. I sure hope Gorton lands some additional picks for the draft in 10 days.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 5:51 pm EST

Good point mf...also RF4L you seem to have skipped a bunch of picks...I mean you point to Graves and Tambalini but that year also Buch (and Duclair) was drafted. So you adda couple more picks and you have the Rangers already with 3 guys that are or will in all likelihood be NHL players. Nieves showed enough for me to think he will be in the NHL, maybe not the Rangers depending on what they do at center, but on many teams he would have been on the 4th line last season, even though he needed some time in the AHL. Graves from most people has an above average chance of being an NHL D, some say top 4 others say bottom 2, but NHL is NHL, and who knows on the last two drafts I mean its a bit early to say if they are good enough or not, only a handful of the players drafted in those two years have turned out so far and that not surprising. They are all really young still.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 5:45 pm EST

rf4l: 3% is about the going rate for draft selection becoming regular NHL players....I mean really, 3 out of 10 is about what teams gets from their drafts. Also I would say that you should look at goaltenders differently. They are much much harder to project, I mean every team passed over Hank multiple times and how many teams going back to his draft year would have taken him int he first round? I mean seriously...he is one of the greatest goalies ever, not just of his generation, too much focus on the lack of a cup thus far, cups are team things, he has done everything else at an elite level for years. Both Wall and Huska are guys that right now people say have a great chance of being at least NHL backups. Issue is, there are just two guys per team where as D and F have so many spots, there is less margin for error. If out of the 3 goaltending prospects they have just 1 makes it to the NHL that is on the goaltending side, a good draft record, and I mean the 3 younger of them, not including Skapski and Halverson in the minors...need 2 out of those 5 to make that drafting record good IMHO. But I always separate goalies from skaters during draft evaluations....they are so different...and sometimes with goalies you have to draft a bunch, kind of like throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks so its hard to hold a bunch of mid to late round picks in net against a team.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 5:37 pm EST

Add SEAN DAY to that list and now you only need two guys to make it to the NHL level....

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:39 pm EST

TD: On JENSEN, ZBORVSKIY, GRAVES, GROPP, NIEVES, TAMBELLINI, KOVACS,HUSKA, WALL, RONNING and GETTINGER - if 3 from the group become regular NHLers that'll be a good thing and more than I expect to see.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:36 pm EST

mf: Just because some are only seeing the light now doesn't mean that's the case for all of us. I called the Clowe, MSL, Yandle and Smith deals as bad from the start. I've been criticizing Sather for his constant flittering away of draft picks before that (re a 3rd for over the hill McCabe, a 2nd for Antropov, a 4th for John Scott). I called for both G and S to be traded in their contract years vs signing them to the silly deals that are now handcuffing the GM. The same thing is going to happen in the next couple of years with the Stepan contract. The Nash deal I was on the fence with but that was primarily because I felt there was no need to add the 1st rounder - giving up Dubi and AA was enough. The Staal deal I was originally okay with until the stubborn mule of a coach stuck him on the 3rd line as a winger, despite 1) his solid history playing on Team Canada as a centre with Nash on his wing 2) the lousy play of the Rangers overall 3) the ineffectiveness in general of Staal in that position. As it turns out, another horrible trade - 2 2nds for 7 weeks of nothing. If Smith isn't resigned, another stupid trade. So, yeah, I feel totally justified in my criticisms here - I foresaw the problems with almost every one of these silly Sather decisions. The massive problem with Lundvqist contract is now looming on the horizon - it could make the G and S contract issues seem trivial in comparison. Another contract I expressed my dislike for.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:32 pm EST

And like td pointed out. If a big contract (ie Staal) was going to LV, THEN I can see something like that deal....

NYStranger


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:30 pm EST

r47, that is way too steep. Are you kidding me? Give up 3 players so we can keep one? I can see one of Holden, a prospect or a pick, but not even two. If LV is looking to make moves like that, it is either a Buttman conspiracy or they are going to be very disappointed at other GMs responses!

NYStranger


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:24 pm EST

It sounds like Klein is waiting until after the Expansion Draft to announce his retirement. Best of luck to him, a solid citizen and good Ranger.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:22 pm EST

Also on Klein..... "Individuals with knowledge of the situation stressed that a final decision has not been made even as the 32-year-old righty defenseman held a going-away party over the weekend."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:20 pm EST

"Sources report Klein, who was a healthy scratch for all but one playoff game following a regular season in which persistent lower back issues limited him to 60 games, is leaning toward leaving the NHL and continuing his career in Europe."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:05 pm EST

WOW.... Rangers’ Kevin Klein leaning toward retirement.... http://nypost.com/2017/06/13/rangers-kevin-klein-leaning-toward-retirement/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 4:00 pm EST

Amazing how that dirtbag RINALDO parlayed more than a decade of douchebagery into a stint in the NHL period, much less with two NHL franchises. If there's a guy who is a candidate for getting banned from NHL and AHL hockey, he's it. Just a total scumbag.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:58 pm EST

A second rounder to protect guys who might not get drafted anyway? Sounds very steep to me. I could see paying a prospect and a second rounder if they somehow end up with STAAL or GIRARDI...but to keep all of those players? Very steep, IMO. Especially since the second rounder would be in next year's draft.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:48 pm EST

RF4L - I'm sure this is going to surprise you, but I totally and 100 percent disagree. There are plenty of players in the Rangers' system that have NHL potential aside from the two you listed. JENSEN, ZBORVSKIY, GRAVES, GROPP and NIEVES are a few...TAMBELLINI is another...KOVACS --who is 20 BTW --and HUSKA...Tyler WALL...all good prospects...Ditto with Ty RONNING...GETTINGER turned some heads last year.... I'm not going to get into subjective 'grading' so to speak...Hartford has a lot of young talent coming in next season. We can argue about whether you think any of it will be bound for the NHL...but they're all good prospects.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:27 pm EST

I think the NYR should immediately sign Zach Renaldo so they can trade him back to the Boston Bruins for another 3rd round pick, who in turn would then release him before next years draft. Hey, it worked once.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:23 pm EST

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:17 pm EST

Andy Strickland‏Verified account @andystrickland ...... Zach Rinaldo has been told he will not be qualified by Boston #Bruins

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 3:11 pm EST

Vegas is already blowing this. Allegedly, they're holding back on announcing trades so they can do it all at once. What they should do is toss out a few trades everyday and build up the excitement. On the last day, you just announce a couple of crappy ones so it's just like the trade deadline.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:59 pm EST

... past 50 years or so .... (Hate the way words get changed!)

Ranger47


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:58 pm EST

BTW: Most here would not know this, but for the past 50 years ago the United States Chess Federation has run the number one postal chess tournament in the country - the Golden Knights tournament. Your move LV! :)

Ranger47


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:56 pm EST

If the deal with LV is Holden, our 2nd rounder and a prospect - even if it's Graves - I'd sign up in a flash to keep Raanta, Grabner, Lindberg and Fast in place!

Ranger47


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:56 pm EST

So here's my messing around with the draft. I can't see them not taking Raanta, but we'll see. You'll see a few surprise picks (some RFA's who will probablynot be available!) mainly as I thought Big Mac would be a perfect fan draw for the Vegas fight crowd! https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/68493

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:55 pm EST

The Rangers signed 23-year old Russian defenseman Alexei Bereglazov earlier this spring after Bereglazov played with Magnitagorsk in the KHL's Gagarin Cup. Bereglazov said that he signed with the Rangers because the Rangers showed a lot of interest and that every player's dream is to play in the NHL. (Championat) Bereglazov is 6-4, 205 and has played in 162 games in the KHL over the past four seasons, 5 goals and 28 assists, and 40 playoff games, including a Championship in 2015-16. He played in a top-four role for Mettalurg and their coach said that he wished Bereglazov luck in moving to the NHL. Assistant GM Chris Drury said that he skates and thinks like a skilled defenseman. (NYR) Gordie Clark says that Bereglazov should be able to battle for a roster spot this season. (NYR) In his time in the KHL, Bereglazov averaged: 16-17 playoffs: 22:22 in 13 games.... 16-17 regular season: 19:27 in 60 games.... 15-16 playoffs: 18:22 in 22 games.... 15-16 regular season: 13:35 58 games... 14-15 playoffs: 8:03 in 10 games.... 14-15 regular season: 11:52 in 32 games.... Bereglazov was part of the Gagarin Cup winning team in 2016 and reportedly drew interest from the Arizona Coyotes and went to their prospect camp. He said in 2016 that while he still had a year left on his contract in the KHL that he had dreams of coming over to the NHL. His inexperience playing for the Russian National team reportedly hurt his chances of playing in events like the World Cup in 2016 and the World Championships in 2017. From the Rangers release on Bereglazov: Bereglazov led KHL defensemen 24 years old or younger in assists and tied for first among KHL defensemen 24 years old or younger in points this season. He led Metallurg in blocked shots (68) in 2016-17. In addition, Bereglazov ranked second among team defensemen in shots on goal (111), tied for second among team defensemen in assists, ranked third among team defensemen in points, and ranked fourth among team defensemen in average ice time and plus/minus rating. He won Bronze with Russia at the 2014 World Juniors as a teammate of Pavel Buchnevich and was also a teammate of Buchnevich and Rangers prospect Igor Shesterkin in the Euro Hockey Tour last year.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:21 pm EST

E: LHS http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=156154

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:20 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/4/21/15364472/rangers-sign-russian-defenseman-alexei-bereglazov

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 2:19 pm EST

Does anybody have some insight on this Bereglazov kid? I know Pionk is a guy that the New York Rangers have been scouting for a while but I know next to nothing about Bereglazov.

E


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:53 pm EST

mf: Would LOVE that plan to work...but I think so many teams will be going for that more sure thing pick at number 3 that the price will become prohibitive...hence why I thought trying to move up (or more precisely acquire another 1st) in the top 10 for Rassmusen or however you spell it. Different type of center than the Rangers currently have and may cost a heck of a lot less to acquire the pick to get him.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:49 pm EST

In regard to Expansion Draft deals.... Per James Mirtle‏Verified account @mirtle ....... "Sounds like tons of these are coming. Throw out your mock expansion drafts."

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:48 pm EST

WildCard: this years entry draft seems to be 1 & 2 are a lock, then its anyone's guess from 3-7, and anyones guess again from like 8-12 with guys from the 3-7 group falling into the 8-12 group & vice versa.... This is why I keep yammering for Gabe Vilardi if we can somehow get the 3rd overall pick... He falls into the 3-12 group, there's always a degree of risk in the draft, & he's something we need, RHS Centerman, good skater, stick handler, not afraid to drive to the net, and just maybe it'll plug RF's pie-hole for 1 or 2 posts... :->)

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:44 pm EST

rf4l: My initial reaction was that its far too much to give up...then I wondered if they are about to be overpaid for Raanta, and if they are given a good young player in return and a 2nd for him, maybe they flip that pick and a mid level prospect that becomes redundant to ensure they keep the roster intact until they make other moves. Still feels like too much, and I wonder if its what LV is ASKING and the Rangers are saying "No" to that price. Hard to tell from rumors.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:38 pm EST

RF4L... If true, the pieces in the deal sound like what the NYR's were asking team's for in a Raanta tradel.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:38 pm EST

Rhet: looks like a trend developing in how team manager's are approaching the expansion draft.... Holden & a 2nd rounder may prove the path of least resistance.......... time will tell

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:36 pm EST

RF: for me it's about dealing with the hand you have to play, and not shoulda, woulda, coulda, with a finger of blame everywhere... everyone's a genius with the benefit of hindsight..... Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today..........

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:36 pm EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie..... It's believed ANA has a pre-arranged deal in place with VGK so it isn't necessary to ask Kevin Bieksa to waive his NMC.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:34 pm EST

Spector's Hockey‏ @SpectorsHockey .... Ducks avoid asking Bieksa to waive NMC, have deal in place....

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:27 pm EST

TD: Right now the only real prospects of any value in the Ranger system are the Russian goalie and perhaps Sean Day. Everyone else is, at the very most, a B prospect and I'd argue there's a lack of those, too. Let's hope one of this springs UFA signings pans out. This organization desperately needs that. A first rounder (thank goodness) but then the Ranger draft table sits on their hands until round 4. Bad asset management thru and thru.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:24 pm EST

mf: No, they weren't. But you're proposing, I think, that they be next year's 6th and 7th. I'm saying impossible because you cannot cap afford to pay $11,200,000 collectively for players taking up those spots. It's more like less than $2,000,000. Nob for Life sure left a mess in his wake - stupid contracts and compromised feeder system; both are tough to overcome.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:21 pm EST

Wow, gonna cough up yet another high draft pick? Geesh. I guess, however, it's better than losing one of Fast/Lindberg/Raanta/Grabner. Gorton needs to start recouping these picks or we'll see the Pack 16/17 for the next 3 or 4 years.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:20 pm EST

Hmmm...second rounder AND prospect to take HOLDEN? Not so sure I like that deal...guess it preserves our roster to a large degree...Interested to see who the prospect is...suspect it'll be GRAVES or TAMBELLINI.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:16 pm EST

also, you CAN pay your bottom 2 D 11-12 million if the top 4 don't get paid like a normal top 4. I mean, if you pay your number 2 900k-1.0mil on a rookie deal you can pay a 3rd pair guy like a top pair guy...cap is not about WHERE guys play, but how much they are all paid...

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:07 pm EST

TD: think of the money they'll save in Jerseys. :-)

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:07 pm EST

RF: They were not always 5,6,7, defensemen... They were top 4 and top 2 on many a team when the contracts were awarded... Better talent in addition to battle scars helped push them down the ranks...

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 1:04 pm EST

Bennett by the way turns 21 in a week...the 20th....he is 4 years younger that Hayes (4 years and like month and a half) I know its not that big a deal being just one year, but to say Bennett is 20 (turns 21 on the 20th) and Hayes who turned 25 on May 8th as 25 years old, is just stretching things to try and make the situation look a bit different.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:55 pm EST

Per NHL Rumors @NHLRumorsDaily..... NYR and VGK have had discussions on a deal centered around VGK taking Holden as well as receiving a 2nd round pick and a prospect... Nothing imminent, talks still ongoing

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:42 pm EST

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod ...... So by sounds of things, Vegas has deals in place with Anaheim, Chicago and Columbus so far, related to the X-draft, with more coming.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:36 pm EST

Td...fair enough altho he's but 20 years old and had 1 full year only in junior (hurt in his draft year then stupidly forced to turn pro at 18). He scored 90+ points as a 16 year old and 18 goals as an 18 year old NHLer. He regressed last year spending lots of time on the bench. There were a few stories about his struggles and the coaching staff unsure how to use him because of those struggles. He should have been farmed out but couldn't because he was an under-ager (and one huge reason forcing teenagers to turn pro is foolish). Rock and hard place. Is he ruined? I like to think no...

Rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:21 pm EST

RF4L - While I don't discount point totals in juniors, I think it's fair to say take them with a grain of salt...especially in the WHL and in the QMJHL...you get a guy with size and speed going up against 17 year olds...well...you get inflated stats. Not saying our boy BENNETT here is a bust or that he won't one day be some prolific scorer...right now, however, he's looking more like a 50-point guy. Pretty much STEPAN with a mean streak.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:17 pm EST

Rhet...the Rangers simply cannot afford to make such a move IMO. Nob for life sure left a mess for Gorton to clean up.

Rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:16 pm EST

MF... Also, Gorton is known to detest buyouts, but with the cap most likely not increasing, he may have to re-think that policy. IMO, he would still never buy out both players.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:14 pm EST

Mf...cannot afford to pay your 6th and 7th d_men collectively $11,200,000/year. Cap economics and all that. Great job by Nob for Life!! .

Rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:13 pm EST

MF... Personally, I think we have a handshake deal with Brendan Smith in place (based off nothing but my gut. So take that for what it's worth). If you want to sign Shattenkirk, you have to get rid of one of G or Staal. That's even if you don't re-sign Smith. We currently have $9.2 Million in cap space, though I do believe we can easily get rid of Kevin Klein and his $2.9Mil. That would give us about $12.1 Mil to play with. That's with Z-Bad, Fast and Lindberg (or a replacement) to sign. Unless we do a Bridge deal, Z-bad is sure to cost at least $5 Million plus of that space. Elliotte Friedman‏ says that LV will take David Clarkson and his $5.25 Mil cap hit (over the next 3 years) for a 1st Rounder and a Prospect. Should we pay that high a price to get rid of G or Staal? It would give us the room to sign both Shattenkirk and Smith.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 12:07 pm EST

Bennett is 20; Hayes is 25. HUGE difference. Let's try to remember this discussion in a couple of years and compare how each has fared/developed. For now, we can agree to disagree.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:56 am EST

Trade Tanner Glass for Cody Glass....Would beat the time we traded Brian Boyle for Dan Boyle for sure.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:17 am EST

Rhet: regarding improving the D, we go with McD, Skjei, Staal, (player acquired in a trade) Smith, Girardi... with G & S (didn't they make skateboards & surfboards?) glued to the 3rd pairing.... "IF" there's room to add Shattenkirk, every game someone gets a night off on a rotational basis and or G or S is your 7th Dman...

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:15 am EST

Rhet: Agree its make or break, and unfortunately it's this type of open draft, have to really lean on the scouting staff and there are no "sure thing" type moves beyond the top 2 picks and maybe the 3rd overall, but the cost will be so high because those are the real deal spots. After that it opens up and you could get a stud or a dud and no one will know for years....as for moving Giradi I think if they pick up cap they can move him and get a pick or two. They would have to pay to have someone take his full hit.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:09 am EST

I meant the 1999 Draft.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 11:05 am EST

WILD.... It reminds me a bit of the 2000 draft. This is for sure a make/break season for Gorton. There's a lot of tough decisions to be made, like do we trade picks or prospects to get rid of Staal/G? If not? How do we improve the D?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:55 am EST

say we hold on the Girardi & Staal, we still have to manage the $dollar$ and improve the squad....... If you look at Winnipeg / Calgary / and Minny, because all three teams have RHS defensemen coveted here such as TROUBA, HAMILTON, DUMBA, they could all use a quality centerman like Stepan.. Our issue becomes how to Protect one of these acquired Dmen if a trade is made Prior To the Expansion Draft.... That runs us into a dead end, UNLESS we pay Tony Soprano (LV) in a pre-arranged backroom racketeering arrangement.. :->) ... So with STEPAN out & a new D'man in, you save some dollars, maybe $750K-$1.5mill depending on who comes back & what it costs to extend Trouba or Dumba's contract.... At this point you can move Holden & Klein and trim $4.5million off the cap.... Playing the hand out this way leaves us with Z'bad / Hayes / Lindberg down the middle, that doesn't exactly brood confidence

mf


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:53 am EST

RF4L: Bennett is not a feeder system player. And wow...he had a physical period...or even if he plays physical all the time....if his point output is way below Hayes and he is worse away from the puck....we will see how they do...funny that you want to dismiss Bennett having not so great production for 2 NHL seasons, but point to Hayes (who's point totals are higher) first couple seasons to show that's all he is.....so if Bennett doesn't have a massive jump this next season I guess that's all he is right?

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:51 am EST

Bob McKenzie‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie ..... Dion Phaneuf is not expected to waive his NMC, as was requested by OTT. That means Phaneuf would have to be protected in expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:50 am EST

Cody Glass with 32 goals and 94 points for his WHL team. Some would have you believe that those numbers are meaningless. I wholeheartedly disagree.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:48 am EST

Rhet: Seems that this years draft, after like the top 2 or 3 is all over the place. Different places have a guy going 5 or 6, and the other has them going 15-20....just amazing how little consensus there is for player ranges. Usually there are guys who are top 5, 5-10 , 10-15, and so on in most rankings and mocks with just a few oddball predictions. This year? At least it will be interesting...I also think that there will be shuffling of picks as teams see 3 guys still on the board they would be happy with and can move back 2 spots.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:48 am EST

Wild: Yes I would make that trade. Let's see how over the next few years he and Hayes do. I've seen Bennett play - in one period he shows more physical presence vs Hayes in an entire year. I don't dislike Hayes but IMO he's one of those guys who simply doesn't have the mental wherewithal to utilize the considerable physical assets he's been blessed with. Maybe he'll come around - he's only 25 but after 3 years in the league with seasons of 45, 36 sand 49 points I am wondering if what you see is what you get. If so and you can land a player with Bennett's upside for him, you do it when you're a team like the Rangers who are spinning their PO wheels and in dire need of a feeder system boost. JMVoRO.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:41 am EST

Interesting piece on Cody Glass..... Per Buffalo Sabres‏Verified account @BuffaloSabres ..... Elite speed. Dynamic. NHL size. He's the fastest rising prospect on #NHLDraft boards - where will he land? ?? http://bufsabres.co/DHFBas

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:41 am EST

RF4L: Your talking scouting a junior player when there are NHL games to look at. My point is looking back 2-3 years at a kids first junior season, regardless of age, regardless of success is pointless. Using that to "prove" he will be more of a player is just silly, it's meaningless when it comes to his ability to improve as an NHL player. Yes he has an impressive resume....at least until he hit he NHL. And don't quote stats to me, he hasn't been impressive on the ice as an NHL player and has shown more signs that he will be a 50-60 point defensively struggling player who is a bit undersized than he has shown that he will be a "true" top end higher scoring player who doesn't hurt his team with poor play in other areas. You would trade a guy who is "there" for a guy who might someday get there....and you are pointing to a season 3 years ago when he was 16 as a reason for doing so.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:41 am EST

TD: Yes, agreed on the talk/noise/etc and why I think nothing is going to happen between now and the Shower draft, as much as I hope the opposite is true. I am eager to see what changes Gorton wishes to make - I think only the truest bluest Ranger fan would argue that something doesn't need to be done with the stale and ineffective leadership core. What that turns out to be is what is help driving the chatter out there - don't forget, even the coach on get-away day talked openly about the need for changes to be made. On the S and G front my prediction is that S stays and G gets traded but not until after July 1 and yes it may involve the Rangers eating some salary. That's acceptable if the return is reasonable (and a prospect and a 2nd rounder will be just fine by me!).

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:39 am EST

Great read: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/scott-darling-goodbye-chicago/

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:39 am EST

The Rangers have announced their preseason schedule for this season: ...September 18 against the Islanders ...September 20 against the Devils ...September 22 @ the Islanders in Bridgeport ...September 23 @ the Devils ...September 25 against the Flyers ...September 26 in Philadelphia

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:36 am EST

Fivehole: Speaks to my point.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:35 am EST

Wild: Junior success is meaningless? I mean really? Yes of course it's no guarantee of NHL success but what is? Scouting and drafting young players is about analyzing and projecting and of course part of that is measuring how a kid fares against his relative competition across all facets of the game, including scoring. Geesh dude, for a guy who seems to know what he's talking about sometimes you are in such a rush to defend your stance you really post some not so bright things.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:33 am EST

Fivehole.... You are correct sir!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:32 am EST

Rhet - must be Pavel Brendl. The most talented offensive player (on paper) the Rangers ever drafted.

Fivehole


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:27 am EST

Off the top of my head, I believe as a franchise the NYR have had one and only one prospect to play in juniors as a 16 year old and score 91 points or better. That player had 73 goals and 61 assists for 134 points (he turned 17 in March of that year). he followed that up with 111 points in 7 fewer games played the following season. Anyone want to guess that players name?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 10:12 am EST

td: Mostly agree....but there has been enough rumbling to make me think that the Rangers are at least strongly looking at options with Giradi and Staal. I have thought that Giradi is more likely to be moved due to his movement clause allowing for it to certain teams. Other moves may be made to open cap space (Stepan for instance) along with Giradi being moved to make space for Shattenkirk. Giradi as you say is still an NHL D, and if the Rangers picked up close to half a team would get him for 2.85(half I think) and 3 mil per....and maybe a team feels he is worth 3.5 per and the Rangers get away with more cap space. Staal, unless some perfect situation can mess up for him to waive will remain. The cost of a buyout is too much for too long right now, in a couple years maybe but not now.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:53 am EST

It's interesting...RF4L got me thinking in saying 'all this talk...' Well, where's 'all this talk' coming from? US FANS. The organization hasn't made one peep about buying out or trading either GIRARDI or STAAL. In fact, the whole discussion about it has been a construct of fans, bloggers and the occasional pundit. Even the latter haven't been too noisy about it...So in other words, what we have is a bunch of fans who HOPE both are being bought out or moved. Why? Is it because both are bad defensemen? Not really...even on their worst days, both Girardi and Staal are good enough to be in the top six on just about any team in the league. So then it comes down to them being overpaid...how overpaid? Would they be worth $3 million per year? Or $4 million? I would say definitely $3 million....which ironically is about what they would each cost annually in a buy out...so keeping both, the Rangers are essentially wasting $5 million in cap space, but they're not losing an asset(i.e. a prospect like GROPP or DAY), and they're not eating contract for a player who's not on the roster, whether through buying them out or eating salary in a trade...Next question: Are the Rangers a better team without Staal and Girardi? Well, you could argue that you need to trade/move one or both to get SHATTENKIRK...but how much better are the Rangers with Shatty in the lineup? Playing this scenario out...Rangers trade Girardi and eat $2 million in salary...then buy out Staal for a cap savings of $3.5 million...they would have $4 million in dead cap space for the next two years...then $5 million and $6 million in 19-20 and 20-21...So you give the money you save on those two to Shatty...now you're short one blueliner and you have no money...So here's the crux: Is removing Staal and Girardi addition by subtraction or are they simply overpaid? If it's the latter, then it's pretty clear why the Rangers aren't asking them to waive their NMCs...and that its fans and bloggers talking about these guys getting booted to the curb, not the Rangers themselves...Now I'm of the thinking that one of them will be moved...but the more I look at the situation, the more I could see the Rangers holding onto both at least until next year.

tdchi


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:50 am EST

Rf4l: I can say it over and over...Junior success is meaningless....the highest goal scorer 5 years ago in the OHL, same league ad Bennett dint even get drafted and doesn't play hockey anymore.Every single season junior players that are dominate even young and can't score worth a darn in the NHL. Stop pointing to a season, in Junior, 4 years ago as "proof" that this kid will ever be more than what he is right now let alone more than double is point production. You are overly obsessed with junior players, draft picks and POTENTIAL. Sure Hayes didn't do it at 16, but he was the second leading scorer in all of NCAA hockey his last season. Why doesn't that count? 1.6+ points per game in NCAA is a big time scorer....NCAA isn't known for its high scoring...Junior on the other hand has many many many high end scorers every seasons...they have multiple goal per game players...yes I know, he was 16, and that is impressive, but lets see him do something as a pro...thats what the Rangers are, a pro team...if this was junior...sure go for it, but its not. He has shown more signs of being a 50-55 point guy than he has shown of being anything more than that.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 9:28 am EST

What current Ranger prospect scored 91 points in junior as a 16 year old? Let me answer of you: None. Stroke it any way you like - the Ranger prospect cupboard is bare thanks to Nob for Life trading away picks like they're dime-store candy. And stop with your wall policing telling folks what not to post about. It makes you look like a fool.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:53 am EST

On a different subject, the Draft (not expansion) there has been some talk about the Rangers trying to snag that number 3 that Dallas is waiving out there. For me there are other teams that may be willing to move that are int he top 10, and perhaps the Rangers should try to get one of those picks, I would from the little exploring of info I have done, like them to go u and get Michael Rasmussen. Big skilled center that uses his size and had 55 points in an injury limited 50 games last season...apparently hurt his wrist. Moving up this year will cost less than other years due to this draft not having the caliber players of some of the more recent drafts, not that these players will not be good, but still, not quite the level. Still though, moving into the top 5 will cost dearly, but top 10? Maybe not as much. Arizona for instance, at number 7. They have 2 first rounders this year (7 and 23) Would they be interested in sliding back? Would a 2018 2nd and Miller get it done? Might not be enough...but that would be a trade I would look at....dont dislike Miller at all, but just musing...they are in need of wings and some size, they seem set at center so Hayes wouldn't do it probably, but maybe Hayes and a 2nd would be another option. Some people would hate that but it would give the Rangers 2 first rounders this year....if they could get that 7th pick they could then flip the 21st for a D....then Trade Step, or hayes from center to find another wing or another type of center, or if hayes was in the original deal move Miller for a center if need be, or something like that. Changes are coming, and you need to give to get and make one move to open the possibility for others. This type of thing would help now and in the future not just one or the other...of course this is a fans musing and likely will not happen...but it would be very cool to see!

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:50 am EST

Jimmy Murphy‏Verified account @MurphysLaw74....... I'm told via a reliable source, that #FLAPanthers never even considered asking #KeithYandle to waive NMC for #NHLExpansionDraft.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:24 am EST

Should be no shock in modern sports, But Zbad tweeted out a picture of some training...apparently running intervals....nice to see a younger player back at work already, used to be guys didn't really start working out until closer to July....again, modern sports seem to be year round, but again, its nice to see.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 8:04 am EST

COMark: I would agree other than once thing. The last few years teams have taken injured players to reach the cap floor. Giradi and Staal at least still play and used properly can still help a team. Now I wouldn't expect those teams to be on the trade list of Giradi, but we don't know his priorities for that list. Is he more concerned with a cup or his family? Would lower tax rates come into play to make more money since this is his last deal? Do schools matter? Does climate matter? I mean does his family hate hot climates so Dallas and AZ are just a no go. If just one team on his available list has to ht the cap floor they may not want to send a bad contract back. I know it's a slim chance, but no one saw Savard being traded or Pronger being moved....so you never know. I mean every year there are at least 2-3 trades that make me think one GM has disturbing pictures of the guy he is reading with....

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:58 am EST

RF4L: The Rangers can still make trades prior to the expansion draft. The other day was only the deadline to request waivers for expansion selection. Players can still waive heir clauses up to the trade/signing freeze Saturday evening (5 EST I think) Also, I think they can announce trades for expansion considerations at any time, unless the NHL wants to do them at he time of the expansion draft announcement. If they just release the list it wouldn't make sense, but if they make a show of it and announce team by team they could do it then to add some "drama" and make it more interesting. As for Bennett, your in love with future potential. Who cares what he did in junior, it's junior, it means zilch. It's funny that you kind of blow off Ranger prospects success in lower levels as unimportant but now a flames prospects past low level success matters so much. Bennett has not achieved what Hayes already has, Hayes is bigger, and unless Bennett has some really big quick improvements he will not even be at Hayes production levels at the same age. Bennett needs to nearly double his point output, Hayes isn't done developing yet either. Bennett even in a good case is likely a couple years away from being a 50-55 point guy regularly.....and has shown no signs in the NHL of being more than that....Hayes has shown signs of being more than a 50-55 point guy, he may not get more than that but he is there already and is still young. If the Flames want him for Bennett they can add a 2nd rounder in this years draft or another prospect. Hayes has more real value than Bennett right now....enough grabbing for the future, there is a good team in NY NOW that with the right moves will be competing for the cup next season.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:55 am EST

Wild- If any team trades for a contract like G or S, we will receive back at least a crappy contract in return. Teams are t going to take the Rangers off the hook AND give up a potential asset. Rangers will get a crappy vet with several years left, and probably have to take on some of that salary. The other 30 teams aren't stupid, they know the contracts are albatross, and aren't worth their salt if they don't take advantage of it.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:03 am EST

I think I mentioned this yesterday..... Per Renaud Lavoie‏ @renlavoietva ...... Marc-André Fleury accepted the Penguins request in February to waive his no move clause for the expansion draft. Only for Las Vegas.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 7:00 am EST

RAANTA DRAWING INTEREST AS RANGERS FACE PROSPECT OF LOSING NETMINDER IN EXPANSION DRAFT.... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/raanta-drawing-interest-as-rangers-face-prospect-of-losing-netminder-in-expansion-draft

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:59 am EST

Sam Bennett will max out to where Hayes is currently? Quite the prediction for a kid who at 16 scored 36 goals and 91 points in junior, scored 18 goals in the NHL as an 18 year old and hasn't turned 21 yet. I'd do Hayes for Bennett in a heartbeat.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:57 am EST

"The history books will read that the 2016-17 Golden State team won 31 of its final 33 outings, including 16 of 17 playoff games. "

stevielegs


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:56 am EST

Wild: No, not that at all. I'm not surprised either weren't asked because Gorther wasn't able to make a trade prior to the Shower draft. I said it last night - all this talk and watch the only move made will be announced after the draft when Gorther sends something to the Showers for not drafting any of Fast, Lindberg, Grabner or Raanta. If that even happens.

rf4l


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:43 am EST

RF4L: two things. First. Staal and Giradi would not be taken by LV, so what's the point in asking? Who would you rather protect on D? Holden? Klein? Those are the only others to "worry" about protecting. Second. Yeah, they didn't ask, but that doesn't mean their agents didn't already say something to the team. If their agents who I am sure know the rumors spoke to their clients, and I'm sure they did, and knew they wouldn't waive, they could have weeks ago told the Rangers to not even bother requesting it. And who knows maybe they have decided to do a buyout or feel there is a bit of interest in a trade to get even a late round pick....while I don't see that who knows what crazy things GMs will do. But just the first point alone, there is no benefit for the Rangers to ask them to waive, in fact Giradi will have 15 teams he will accept a trade to, asking him to waive is like saying " we think you are worth losing for free" and that could hurt his value. Doesn't change Staal of course, but he may waive for a trade to the right team if asked by that team, so why risk their value for no good reason?

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:35 am EST

td: It seems with Hayes the trade stuff is always for a guy like Bennett. A guy who is smaller and who will likely max out with the output that Hayes CURRENTLY has. To me that's a throw away attitude. As for Miller at center. He has said he likes wing better, maybe that has changed, but confidence is a huge part of sports so if they move him to the middle they need to make sure he is built up some, and if Hayes is moved I would rather Lindberg get his spot (if he survives expansion). Also, I think Hayes is better defensively than Miller, Miller really isn't good and has stretches of just, well it's so bad for some stretches its ridiculous. Hays is a bit more consistent, not great but you pretty much know what you will get shift in and shift out. This isn't to say I wouldn't trade Hayes on his own or part of a package. I would even move both Hayes and Stepan if in a deal a number 1 center came back. Let's say that Mackinnon could be snagged (longshot at best) I would imagine Hayes being part of the return....then move Step for a younger D. Move Lindberg up to the 3rd C and one of a vet or Nieves for the 4th line. It's not that I think Hayes is untouchable, but moving him should be to improve the team, not move laterally or even take a step back.

Wildcard


Tue Jun 13 2017 6:33 am EST

Neither Girardi nor Staal asked to waive their NMCs. Gee, what a surprise!

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:39 pm EST

td: t/y

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:37 pm EST

mf - re: MILLER at center. I frankly always thought he was a much better center than winger...Miller likes to control the play...he likes to feed guys...and that's not always easy to do on the wing. He's also pretty good at faceoffs...his shortcoming in the middle is his defensive game, and I'm not gonna lie...it's mediocre at best...but I don't think he's appreciably worse than someone like HAYES. I think you could slide Miller into Hayes' slot and the team would actually be better off.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:35 pm EST

Wildcard - I don't think anyone sees HAYES as a 'throwaway' per se...rather he's one of the most marketable assets the Rangers have. He's a big center with a boatload of talent. He's not of the value of someone like STEP or Z...but close...The thing with Hayes is I think he's a lot more replaceable than someone like Step. I think you could trade Hayes, slide LINDBERG or MILLER into that slot and never skip a beat.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:32 pm EST

re: STEPAN being shopped. Right. I'll believe it when I see it.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:31 pm EST

Sam BENNETT? Well, I guess you could hope he takes off...but I don't really see what he brings that the Rangers don't already have. A good talent for sure. Was he mismanaged by the Flames? Possibly. But I don't think Bennett is going to go from the player he is today to an all star. I think what you're looking at is a kid who will probably land 20 goals and 50 points a season...probably ends up on wing...if he stays at center, his upside is probably that of Kyle TURRIS. Would I trade HAYES for him? Meh? I don't know. Maybe. But if you're going to trade Hayes, I would much rather upgrade an area of the lineup that needs it.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:27 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HU-z2eJEBQ

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:04 pm EST

If Stepan is being shopped than the New York Rangers are going for something more than just window dressing.

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:44 pm EST

I was listening to the NHL channel on XM/Sirius earlier today and they had some guy on who said Stepan is definitely being shopped FWIW

Rdw


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:53 pm EST

Bennett struggled last year and regressed. Dumb decision to turn him pro at 18 but the NHL has been making that mistake for years. Rumours are around he's available.

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:37 pm EST

David Pagnotta‏ @TheFourthPeriod ......As many believe, myself included, CBJ/VEG deal involving David Clarkson is happening... But Vegas might not have been only team in mix.... Told by a few folks the Coyotes also spoke with Columbus about Clarkson. So, gotta think Arizona is open to other options #capfloor

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 7:06 pm EST

BOB: I actually really disagree. I think that AV's cryptic talk on breakup day definitely sound as if they are ready to move in a different direction. And I don't think they are going to blow it up and rebuild it but definitely think that there are going to be a few roster changes. Maybe one or two bigger than we might think. And thats what I want. I just think its time to shake it up a little. I don't think they have any delusions about the current state of the team

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:57 pm EST

mf: Both Grabner and Fast (along with Lindberg) will be exposed. They don't have enough protection spots to protect them and the rest of the forwards they want to keep.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:52 pm EST

If the Rangers do Not make some trades, Today's fickleness has the Rangers leaving Jesper Fast exposed for the Expansion Draft.... Mainly because of our lack of depth at center and you can't teach speed (grabner) .......... So, if we trade with Calgary, do we target Doug Hamilton who is signed at $5.75 mill for the next 4 yrs (instead of a Sam Bennet) and then forego signing Shatt, or do we go Ballz to the Wallz and try to land Shatty too?

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:43 pm EST

Sam Bennett: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9634

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:27 pm EST

Bob: Bennett was a healthy scratch? He played 81 games in the regular season and 4 in the post season. Had 2 goals in the playoffs, and in the regular season had just 13G and 13A. meanwhile Hayes had 17G and 32A in 76 games. Yes Bennett is younger, but he is also smaller...The Flames would fall all over themselves to make that trade, Hayes is worth more than that, I know here on this wall and among Rangers fans he is looked at as some throw away, or not that great, but he can play wing as well, so perhaps like Miller he needs to be moved there...maybe that opens up the ability to trade a wing like Zucc (who I love but his play has not been good enough at the right times IMHO) Maybe he would do better without the responsibility of being a center....get another center to replace that move of Hayes to wing and its an improvement...or could be at least, and perhaps the Man the Rangers so badly need could be acquired via a wing trade rather than a center trade without hurting the overall forward depth as much.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:14 pm EST

Hate to be the wet rag on everyone's fun.........but I expect a lot of talk and not a lot of action by the Rangers. I don't think that Gorton finds all that's much that will work for the Rangers. I think improvemen will need to come from within and from the kids they have signed. Would you trade Hayes for Sam Bennett? Would Calgary? Sam Bennett wears a healthy scratch last year.

Bob


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:59 pm EST

Rf4l: Saturday at 5 EST I believe is the last time to turn in the protected list and at the same time the freeze goes into effect.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:55 pm EST

Wild: When is the Shower draft roster freeze? Sorry, cannot recall. BTW, I think buying out G now would be foolish given the fact he's trade-able July 1 to a bunch of teams. Just doesn't make cap sense. Staal's buy-out hit is prohibitive and I simply don't see Gorther doing that. I do think (and I posted about this earlier) that if there are suitors for G it's possible Gorton engineers a deal and then approaches G now saying now or in 3 weeks. I cannot believe G would be such a nob that he'd refuse that. That said, it depends on the trade partner - the Rangers are up against the protection list and so are a slew of other teams. It's easy to speculate about possible deals but way more difficult to make them, at least until after the Shower draft. I won't be surprised to see but a single deal from the Rangers and that's sending something to LV after the draft so Lindberg, Fast, Grabner and Raanta aren't selected. Come the draft weekend, however, I am expecting (hoping?) Gorther is very active.

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:30 pm EST

rf4l: Today was just the deadline to have guys waive for the expansion draft (no word if the rangers asked but I don't think they did) but they can still buyout Giradi or Staal, so if they make a trade for a D that needs protecting, they can do that at that time.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:28 pm EST

E: Agree on Lindberg. I think he is better than many thought he would end up being. Last season after that surgery on his hip I think we saw a toned down version of him, took him like half a season to get up to full skating speed and strength, and I think by that time the season was ramping up in intensity, and he was playing catchup...it wasn't until very late that he was really starting to click. Given a full offseason to work out and get ready I think he will be forcing AV to give him more ice time even if no other centers are moved. I would say that a C needs to be moved to upgrade the D. Seems Step may be that guy, but if Hayes can get a good return he would be OK to move as well. I think Lindberg can step up some and if need be they can sign a vet 4th line guy to fill the last spot.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:28 pm EST

Can't do any trades for d-men until after the Shower draft - McD and 2 NMC contracts. VoR speaking!

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:16 pm EST

MF I think JT is really better suited to the wing but you move out Hayes and I think Lindberg will step right in. Especially what I saw since the deadline, the playoffs, and the Worlds. He is turning into a solid 3-zone hockey player with speed tenacity, and physical play.

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 5:14 pm EST

Hayes for Dumba? Done... the first time I saw Dumba play I was like, "holy shit can this guy hit. He's a little guy but has instincts and a really surly attitude. I know his development is a little stale. He had a lot of positional issues and overall brain farts but I just see so much there. And he has real history with Andrew Shaw. They don't like each other at all. I believe it goes back to a massive hit a few back on Kane that knocked his soul into the 5th row.

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 4:45 pm EST

Looks like Minny is in good shape to protect their forwards but not such good shape to protect their D'men.... Anyone care to offer an opinion on "Hayes for Dumba" straight up? They could use a centerman as Charlie Coyle / Markus Granlund / & Nino Niedereiter have been playing wing......... & we could certainly use the RHS D'man

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 4:26 pm EST

What's the latest on JT Miller's ability to play center? (t/y)

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 4:23 pm EST

Rf47 there's a long list of players who have been true blue nyr . I blame ass vipe for most of this mess . His karma is coming.

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 3:54 pm EST

Wild: Just don't want to lose the fact that as a Ranger FAN it's mostly not just a business to me. I don't want to have my (and the team's) current best interests make me forget how Girardi played himself into the warrior he became for us - including making the Allstar team one year. I'll never forget how he gave of himself night after night for all these years. Nor how excited I and others were when Staal was drafted and bloomed into the player he should have been, barring the eye injury and concussions. And, in spite of it all how good he was for all these years. Both deserved to be Cup winners. And with a little luck in the LA finals they would have been. DO not want to see them fade into memory as "once upon a time D men". They deserve better in our opinions of their careers IMHO. Go Rangers!

Ranger47


Mon Jun 12 2017 3:46 pm EST

47: Heck yeah they have been great Rangers...I don't think they have become so bad that they could still help the team, but in a cap world and a big need for change, one of them likely needs to go, if not both...its not personal..its business....hell, Zucc is one of my all time favorites and I have suggested trading him to try and upgrade the team...I don't pull any punches!

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 3:07 pm EST

Mf...voice of reason dude, voice of reason. Now fire up that trade-abator!!

Rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 3:06 pm EST

That's Beautiful

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:59 pm EST

Just want to say that if Girardi and Staal are watching the wall that despite the buyout/trade talk, I'm sure we all are extremely grateful for their loyalty, sacrifice and contributions over the years. They have been a credit to the team and we can only hope that all our players use them as examples of the types of Rangers we hope they all can be!

Ranger47


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:58 pm EST

So, if we move Girardi and retain Staal, we don't need Holden.... McD, Skjei, Staal down the left, Shatt, Smith, Klein, down the right..... Offer NJD Girardi & something for IK.... This way Girardi doesn't have to uproot his family

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:48 pm EST

The other thing, in 2 years when the other guys want raises, Staal will be easier to buy out than now since the cost will for less years....and Giradi as well if neither are bought out this year or moved, Giradi would be a much smaller buyout hit....2 years is 2 years away...cant always worry about multiple years into the future.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:44 pm EST

I can't believe that people think Shattenirk will be all but done at 31 or 32....not many Men of his style are done that early...thats still right around the prime years for a skill player in the NHL....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:38 pm EST

Everyone keeps forgetting that STAAL wants to be a Ranger. I niether expect that he'll waive his NMC or that he'll make it easy on the Rangers to trade him. I think with STAAL, really the only option to part ways is to 1. Find a team he wants and that wants him. And they only one I can come up with is the Canes. Or 2. Buy him out...my suspicion is that they do the latter and then work to trade GIRARDI'S contract...because they at least have 15 teams to work with instead of one or two...I can tell you I will be absolutely FLOORED if Staal waived his NMC. Why would he? To be nice? Why would a guy approaching the downside of his career want to go to a team that is almost assuredly going to be a bottom feeder? Keep in mind, I believe he has a family and at the very least, you can expect most of his close friends are with the team too. Frankly, I don't thrill the Rangers will ask him to waive his NMC...going for a buyout is at least a somewhat classy way of breaking up.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:34 pm EST

OMG, and todays funeral services lead by RF4L have commenced..... Lets see, Nash & his $7.8mill, come off the books, Klein & or Holden or both will be gone.. Hanks gone in 4 years, the cap should go up some........ you do what your gotta do to get under the cap, thats all

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:30 pm EST

E:IMO some on your wishlist may be attainable..... Trade some forwards for D'men, fill in with Ilya Koivalchuk & my current 2017 13th forward choice of Chris Stewart, you just may get a Dumba or a Trouba (longshot IMO)

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:20 pm EST

E... Hitch away but $$ in 2 years won't work when McD Trouba Dumba and Skjei all are seeking raises....

Rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:07 pm EST

And MF: I am planning on hitching the wagon to McD, Trouba, Skjei, Smith, Shattenkirk, and Dumba. That's my plan. Doesn't matter if it makes sense. It is what I want. Fast, hard hitting, and offensively skilled. And they are all AV system players. I leave it to roster smiths like you to figure that one out but that's a winning defense once it marinates

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:03 pm EST

Agreed that Shittenkirk deal could really suck in 3 or 4 years...

Rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:02 pm EST

I just wanted to put out there that despite being a fan of a team or being from that region does not necessarily mean that's where you are going to sign. Case in point Hayes was rumored when he decided to leave Chicago to be headed to Boston. Natural fit. Bruins fan growing up, native NE'er. Everything that you'd expect a guy to want. After all, I can remember being a little kid and having my uncle tell me how Fotiu was one of us. He was just a regular guy and I could be on the ice at MSG someday flipping pucks up to the blue seats where the real fans sit. I would choose the blueshirts over any team if given my shot easily. Yet, when you have to think about best fit, best opportunity as a professional I could just as soon find myself signing with the B's. Because being a pro isn't just being driven by dreams. There is more to it. Now, knowing that exactly how much of a hometown discount to play for your favorite team growing up would you be willing to give on the most crucial contract of your career? This is the one. You'll never make this kind of money again. You'll never be able to set yourself up for the rest of your life like he will in 3-weeks. It's a big deal.

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 2:01 pm EST

6yrs @ $6.5mill = $39mill, where do I sign?

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:58 pm EST

Think about strapping the carriage to your two 28 year old horses McDonagh and Shattenkirk for the next 6 years, that's a good dilemma

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:52 pm EST

Wild: Agree on the risk/reward. Did like the fact that he appears to be a real NYer and Ranger fan.....

Ranger47


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:36 pm EST

Ranger47: I wonder as well how long the deal will run. I was thinking 6 years....that would put him the same age as Staal when his contract is up. I mean, Shattenkirk is 2 years younger, so if he signs for 6 years he will be the same age as Staal will be when his deal is up in 4 years. Something tells me that Shattenkirk will have a longer time at he top of his game. Staal played/plays a game that relies on his strength and physicality, those types tend to fall off quicker (save the amazing ones like Chelios who could probably still play...total freak of nature that one) but guys who use less physicality in their games tend to get more years. While he may lose some speed and quickness he will bring his shot and ability to pass the puck for longer. I would bet that if he did sign for 6 years that the first 4 would be at or near his best hockey, then the last 2 years would be a bit of a drop off....issue is how much? If it's only from let's say 40-50 points to 35-40 then 30-35 that's ok. If it's more like 40-50 dropping to 15-20 well that's an issue. Problem is....you can never know. Hell the guy may end up being effective for 10 years until he is 38....to me, it's worth the risk at 6.5 or so, let's say 6 years 40-42 million.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:27 pm EST

wiosa didn't mean it to come across in any negative way.....was just "typing out loud" as I was thinking.....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:03 pm EST

Stevie: So far nobody's talked about the length of contract for Shatty. In a few years we may be saying that we wish we had the Staal contract to deal with than Shatty at an additional 1M. :(

Ranger47


Mon Jun 12 2017 12:19 pm EST

Wild oops didnt realize you stressed playoff series. Why so sarcastic? Chreeist. So very sorry.

wiosa


Mon Jun 12 2017 12:16 pm EST

RF4L: I agree....I think its more likely that LV is on the list of teams Giradi would be OK with....but not so likely I would bet anything of value on it.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 12:13 pm EST

Ok fishboy the spotlight is on you . No shrugging excuses allowed. Priorities are how to sign Captain Kirk, and move from there. So make cap room . I'd rather pay him 6.5 then 5.5 for girardi or staal.

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 12:06 pm EST

Can't see Staal waiving his nmc but stranger things have happened...

Rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:49 am EST

mf: I imagine he could waive to be open for the expansion draft only...and not even make it possible to trade him to LV, and not allow him to be waived for any other reason.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:46 am EST

WC: I believe you hit the nail on the head, if the players we leave exposed are less attractive to LV than M.Staal, they just might select him.... Naturally, Staal would have to waive first, and he may put conditions on his waiver,

mf


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:38 am EST

Rhet...so is there a chance the Rangers will have a Ruff Shatty to deal with?....too much?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:29 am EST

Rhet: I saw something that the owner of the Phoenix Suns was going to go in with the Coyotes for a new building....but who knows...

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:28 am EST

Is Shatty the stuff left over when you scrape poo off the bottom of your shoe?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:27 am EST

How long before it's announced he's moving the team? "Per azcentral sports‏Verified account @azcsports .... Sources: Andrew Barroway buys out #Coyotes minority owners."

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:19 am EST

td: Another thing...Shatty may take less to play for the Rangers, but it doesn't mean he will take less than he wants. What I mean is that lets say he wants 6.5 per season....he might demand 7.5 from teams that are not the NYR...or maybe more if the team is one that isn't as good....so he would technically take less for the Rangers, but more to the point it would take more for teams that are not the Rangers....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:14 am EST

td: Perhaps they were thinking Gernander was on a short leash when they brought in this guy as an assistant before last year. If so, perhaps this was in the works...not like they have to keep him long term, give him next season and see what he can do getting the team back doing well, if not, try again....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:11 am EST

TD: he is EXACTLY what the New York Rangers need. If ever there was a skill set available on the market for cash Shattenkirk is it. Right hand shot, puck carrying, PP enhancing, quick skater. That doesn't mean I can necessarily justify bang for the buck. That's another argument altogether. But the New York Rangers need more blueline mobility.

E


Mon Jun 12 2017 11:10 am EST

td: There isn't one guy that will guarantee the cup...but Shatty on the back end for the PP might have gotten the Rangers an extra goal in each round, perhaps 1 less game in round 1 would have helped them in round 2 with a bit less bumps and bruises, and that could have helped them win a game, and maybe add to that Shatty on the PP maybe that wins a game in round 2...maybe that leads to a ECF....granted there are other things that need improvement to really solidify that, but Shatty could be one piece, one move, of 3 or 4 that lead to a cup.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:54 am EST

Rhet0ric - I've heard McCambridge is Gorton's guy. I just would want to cut any ties with the 2016-2017 Pack.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:52 am EST

re: SHATTENKIRK - The thought that he will take "less" to be a Ranger is flat-out ridiculous. This will likely be his last contract...and it will be his only chance at a big payday. If he takes less for whatever reason, he's not a very bright bulb...but he won't. Shatty is going to get YANDLE'S contract...Swapping him in for GIRARDI or STAAL...sure, an improvement...but is he what the Rangers need? I'm not so sure about that...If the Rangers are going to lose a top prospect or pick to get rid of a contract to sign Shatty...then what they really should be doing is instead using that prospect/picks to land a young, inexpensive puck mover. The Shatty contract has disaster written all over it...certainly would be a way for the Rangers to get appreciably better without expending much...but I'm not convinced better would be good enough to win a cup. And that's the only reason I'd sign Shatty.

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:51 am EST

Hockey fans have patiently been waiting for this period of the season, when trade dreams will hopefully be realized in grand fashion. NHL Insiders have been largely focused on the Stanley Cup Final – and there had been a wee bit of, um, enjoyment taking place in Nashville in particular – but will now begin to collect more deal-related tidbits. Elliotte Friedman did what may be his final radio hit of the season on Calgary’s Sportsnet 960 on Monday morning, and was asked to dish out the latest on what he knew about what could become the busiest off-season of moves we’ve seen in awhile. “It has a chance to be, there’s no question about that,” agreed Friedman. “There’s a lot going on. I think Anaheim with their D. A lot of the talk is around Sami Vatanen – that’s a big one. “Minnesota with their D. There’s Dumba and Brodin – I wouldn’t be surprised if one of those two go. I’m curious about their forwards, to see if they make a move with their forwards. They’ve got a lot of protection issues there. “New Jersey with the No. 1 pick. I’ve heard they really like a couple of defensemen there and I’m curious to see if they will move down. “Vancouver – there’s a lot of teams looking for D, seeing if they can pry Chris Tanev loose. I should say this: I haven’t followed that one as closely. I know about a week ago people were talking to them about it. I’m curious to see if anyone is going to step up for that price. “Obviously you guys are looking for a goalie. Friedman also noted, “L.A. – they’re looking for a forward, they’ve got extra D.” It was at this point that the Insider dropped a juicy prediction. “I think there’s going to be a bomb or two in this one, I really do,” Friedman told the 690 crew. “I think we’re going to have some things hit us that we’re not expecting.” Buckle up. “The other thing too is Chicago is hosting the draft,” pointed out Friedman. “I think they’re trying to move up. I think Chicago is not satisfied. I mean, I almost laugh at it. They’ve gone two whole years without winning a Stanley Cup. But that’s why they’re the organization they are. They’re in it to win it every year and I think they’re going to try some things. “I’ll tell you something else – you know who’s really been quiet? Another guy who I think is not afraid to pull off big deals is Doug Wilson in San Jose. And he’s got a team where the window is open now. I just have a feeling he might do something too.”

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:34 am EST

Rhet: the ONLY reason I could imagine Vegas taking either Giradi or Staal would be if they were that one vet they look to for having the "C" or and "A" to help lead a new team of players thrown together like they will be this offseason. But I would imagine there will be a less expensive option or 5 for them to being in leadership...but that is the only way I see a player like Giradi or Staal getting selected....a slim to none proposition I think though. SO really the bet thing would be having the spots to protect other D and force Vegas a certain direction

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:27 am EST

According to @MurphysLaw74, Marc-Andre Fleury has waived his NMC for the expansion draft.... Stevie.... Yes, they can be taken, but it's very unlikely they will be. We'd probably also have to entice Vegas with a good pick/solid prospect to get them to take either one off our hands in a deal

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 10:01 am EST

Stevie: if a player with a movement clause says so they can be exposed in the expansion draft.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:49 am EST

Rhet if they waive they can be exposed for the draft ?

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:45 am EST

Rhet if fishboy can make a deal with Vegas there's a possibility to include one of them . Unfortunately probably a loopsided deal but he desperately needs to clear cap space for Kirk .

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:42 am EST

Come on down Captain Kirk...

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:36 am EST

I think the NYR have to ask at least one of Staal or G to waive their NMC today, just in case a trade happens and they need to protect someone else. IMO, there's little to no chance that either get's taken by Vegas.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:32 am EST

TD... Is it really that much of a head scratcher? ....Keith McCambridge led Winnipeg's AHL team (Manitoba) to Calder Finals in 2013-2014

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:28 am EST

Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun .... Subject to change but my sense is Vegas won't want to announce trades until June 18-21 window opens. Strategic advantage maybe? ....So if any deals get done this week they might be handshake only, not registered with Central Registry... but again, subject to change....

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:17 am EST

"The Conn Smythe Trophy is awarded annually to the player judged most valuable to his team (MVP) during the National Hockey League's (NHL) Stanley Cup playoffs." .....Apparently, the NHL didn't get that message.... Evgeni Malkin was 2nd in Goals scored (Crosby tied for 3rd); 2nd in Assists (Crosby was 1st) and First in points (Crosby was 2ND). He's also the first player since Maurice Richard in 1947 to lead the playoffs in points (28) & penalty minutes (53). ...but, yeah the NHL's boy deserved to win.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 9:05 am EST

Pack appoint Keith McCambridge head coach. That's a little bit of a head scratcher frankly. I definitely would have appointed Beuk instead. And this guy was associated with the worst pack team in recent memory: http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=67625

tdchi


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:53 am EST

Bob McKenzie: "I think it’s going to be busy, busy, busy and there’s going to be lots and lots and lots of hockey news.” ....https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/nhl-trade-season-arrived/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:52 am EST

Darren Dreger: "Where there’s smoke there’s fire. There’s clear interest in Evander Kane."....https://www.fanragsports.com/news/dreger-high-level-interest-evander-kane/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:52 am EST

Wild: IMO, 'the rest of the hockey world' are filled with folks who profess to be experts but aren't and in fact, are more the opposite. The Raanta trade rumours are a perfect example: A few months ago it was only on here that such a possibility was discussed. Now I am seeing it everywhere. IMO most of the hockey world are a bunch of sheep. AV is a good regular season coach - his PO resume, especially when you see the talent he's had to work with in Vancouver and NY, is wanting.

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:46 am EST

KEVIN SHATTENKIRK WILL TAKE LESS TO PLAY FOR RANGERS... http://fulltiltnyr.com/kevin-shattenkirk-will-take-less-to-play-for-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:43 am EST

Important dates for the Expansion Draft.... Monday, June 12 Deadline for Clubs to request that a Player “waive” his “No Move” clause for purposes of Expansion Draft (5 p.m. ET) (with the exception of Nashville and Pittsburgh, whose Deadline will be the later of: (i) 5 p.m. ET on June 12; or (ii) 5 p.m. ET on the day following the last day of the Stanley Cup Final)..... Wednesday, June 14 Last possible day of 2017 Stanley Cup Final..... Thursday, June 15 First Buy-Out Period begins..... Deadline for Clubs to ask Players with “No Move” clauses whether they want to be placed on Waivers for purposes of Buy-Outs prior to Expansion Draft (11:59 am ET)..... Friday, June 16 Last day to place Player on Waivers prior to Expansion Draft Trade/Waiver Freeze (12 p.m. ET)..... Deadline for Players to agree to “waive” their “No Move” clauses for purposes of Expansion Draft (5 p.m. ET)..... Saturday, June 17 Commencement of the Expansion Draft Trade/Waiver Freeze for all NHL Clubs with exception of the Expansion Club (3 p.m. ET)..... Commencement of Expansion Draft Signing Moratorium on NHL SPCs for all NHL Clubs with exception of the Expansion Club (3 p.m. ET)..... Deadline for each Club to simultaneously submit its Protection List to Central Registry and the NHLPA (5 p.m. ET)..... Sunday, June 18 Deadline for Central Registry to approve and simultaneously distribute the Protection Lists to all NHL Clubs (including the Expansion Club) and the NHLPA (10 a.m. ET)...... Opening of the UFA/RFA Interview Period (only applies to Players who are available for selection in the Expansion Draft) for the Expansion Club only (10 a.m. ET)..... Wednesday, June 21 Deadline for the Expansion Club to simultaneously submit its Expansion Draft Selections to Central Registry and the NHLPA (10 a.m. ET)..... Deadline for the Expansion Club to submit SPCs for any pending UFA/RFAs who are selected by the Expansion Club and signed to a new contract (10 a.m. ET). The Expansion Club is permitted to sign a current or pending Free Agent on a Current Club’s list of Available Players during the period between 10:01 a.m. ET on Sunday, June 18, and 9:59 a.m. ET on Wednesday, June 21, and in so doing will be deemed to have made its Expansion Draft selection from such Current Club. If the Expansion Club signs a Restricted Free Agent from the Available List of a Current Club during said period, the Current Club will not be entitled to any compensation from the Expansion Club..... Official distribution and announcement of the Expansion Club’s Selections in conjunction with the 2017 NHL Awards presented by T-Mobile (8 p.m. ET)..... Thursday June, 22 Expansion Draft Signing Moratorium and Trade/Waiver Freeze are lifted (8 a.m. ET).

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:37 am EST

RF4L: I don't think its spin....the Ruff not being there to pressure AV. I mean, I think that GMs always want there to be pressure on everyone, every coach, every player, every scout, pressure brings out the best in the best. I think the Rangers brass just wants to help make the coaching staff better and want to give AV the best people around him they possibly can. However yes, if it comes to the time that they feel moving away from AV is the right move, having a guy who has the resume of Ruff will make that an easier move. However, there are only a handful of people (Rangers fans) think that AV is the problem, the rest of the hockey world sees a guy who has his team doing better than the majority of the NHL year in and year out....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:37 am EST

Calgary's Sam Bennett is rumoured to possibly be available. The 4th overall pick 3 years ago, Bennett has struggled to find his place in the Flames lineup, a product perhaps of the silly decision to have him turn pro at 18. He turns 21 in a couple of weeks and after 18 goals and 36 points as an 18 year old, regressed last year and put up just 13 and 26, often spending time in the pressbox or the end of the bench. Could he be a target of the Rangers in a Raanta deal? Given his pedigree, you gotta figure it'll take more from the Rangers to get him than just Raanta. Could something like Raanta and Hayes fetch Bennett and a pick? Just musing here...

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:29 am EST

BTW, count me as in when it comes to the possibility of bringing Lindy Ruff into the coaching fold. I realize the spin from Gorther will be it's not to put pressure on AV but for sure it will do that because a coach with Ruff's experience will make it far easier for Gorther to fire AV if the team struggles in 17/18, especially if that happens early. Everyone knows that, including AV. That said, AV strikes me as extremely proud and stubborn and will likely stick to what he believes is right, even if it's clear it's not working. Interesting times in RangerLand it seems - or hopefully, there will be starting very soon.

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:22 am EST

Report: Jackets have deal in place with Vegas to avoid Hartnell headache... http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/06/11/report-jackets-have-deal-in-place-with-vegas-to-avoid-hartnell-headache/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 8:18 am EST

Florida Panthers Name Bob Boughner ... come on ahkneel get a job

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 7:57 am EST

Vic: Come on...you know very well that if hags were a Ranger at that price there would be crap posted here near constantly. Also, the Pens didn't think so highly of him through most of the games, he was scratched in the finals....but again, come on, if hags had little to know impact on the scorecard for the Rangers at 4 mil per, he would be talked about as a buyout right now...likely even if they had just won the cup...the response to his play would be "so he scored an empty netter big deal, he still needs to go if we want this team to continue to be able to compete for the cup again"

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 7:51 am EST

ANDREI: Funny, but I don't hear anyone in Pittsburgh complaining about HAGS' contract, even though they have 4 superstar players (CROSBY, MALKIN, KESSEL, LETANG) plus a high paid backup goalie in FLUERY. You would think with all of the money tied up in those other guys they would be going nuts paying a defensive specialist that kind of money. Could it be that they actually get the kind of offensive production out of their star players that they pay gobs of money to that they don't have to worry about getting offensive production from HAGS? Could it be that they actually get great value from what HAGS does provide in terms of penalty killing, forechecking and the ability to disrupt the other team's puck control and breakout? I'm not sure why you are taking shots at how an organization built its team after they just won the last two Cups. I wish the Rangers were as stupid and careless with their contracts as the Pens are......

Vic


Mon Jun 12 2017 7:27 am EST

wild: The presence of Crosby, Malkin and Kessel, plus solid goaltending from both of their netminders, clearly was enough. The Rangers don't have one player of that skillset, let alone 3. And no I don't want Kessel in NY - he'd flounder worse than Rick Nash. Kessel is a superb 3rd wheel. Anything more than that and it doesn't work. Got get MacKinnon Gorther...

rf4l


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:58 am EST

It doesn't seem like many like skidmark. He had a charisma bypass

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:52 am EST

wiosa: Yeah I'm so sure he had a big impact on the playoffs with zero minutes of ice time sitting in the stands.....so again, what D did PIT have this playoff year better than the Rangers....

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:11 am EST

Wild...58

wiosa


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:11 am EST

Again, liked Haggy a lot..still do. That said, I understood the trade. Congrats Haggy, youre a hustler and you earned it. Still cant stand Sid.

wiosa


Mon Jun 12 2017 6:07 am EST

andrei: What top D did the Pens have this playoff year better than the Rangers?

Wildcard


Mon Jun 12 2017 1:08 am EST

Tidbits.... It's been reported that the NYR will qualify Nicklas Jensen. That should then satisfy our Expansion Draft requirements for forwards. We could also qualify Magnus Hellberg to satisfy requirements if we did indeed trade Raanta.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 12 2017 12:52 am EST

6/11/17 | The Flames and Jets have reportedly called the Rangers about Antti Raanta but the team has not yet committed to trading him. (NY Post) Brooks also notes that the Rangers have not received an offer "pushing them" to consider a trade. (NY Post) 6/6/17 | Kevin Allen writes that Raanta seems like a good candidate to be with Vegas next seasonbut that before that the Rangers will talk to Calgary and Winnipeg. (USA Today) 6/4/17 | 8:47AM: Larry Brooks writes that "several clubs" have inquired about the availability of Antti Raanta. (NY Post) He notes that if the Rangers were to trade Raanta before the expansion draft than they would need to get "value" in return for not only Raanta but for the player they will lose to Vegas. (NY Post) Brooks says that if Raanta is not claimed by Vegas in the expansion draft the dynamic regarding a trade could change. (NY Post) 6/2/17 | Antti Raanta is listed at #15 on TSN"s trade bait board of potential players who could be moved around the expansion draft. (TSN) Raanta is one of three goalies on the list and Frank Seravalli writes that teams may try and make a deal prior to the expansion draft so that they don't lose a valuable player for nothing. (TSN) Henrik Lundqvist, due to his NMC, will be protected in the expansion draft and the Rangers will have to make at least one goaltender who is under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA this summer eligible to be selected. If the Rangers were to trade Raanta and not receive a goalie in return, or make a separate deal for a goalie, they would likely expose Mackenzie Skapski, who is an RFA and would need a qualifying offer before the expansion draft. (NHL.com) Larry Brooks had speculated earlier in the month that the Rangers could use Raanta in a package to try and acquire a deenseman. (NY Post)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:43 pm EST

Let the Trading Begin.............

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:33 pm EST

WOW. That Hornqvist goal, what a soul-crushing way to lose a game and a series. Anyway, good riddance! Now the real season starts! BTW, F Carl Hagelin! He's not a NYR now and he's dead to me.... Also, until there's an official announcement, there's still a possibility that the cap raises.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:20 pm EST

The next time Hank gets a quick whistle like Murray did...well, it'll be the first time. Wonder how Kevin Pollock will spend his day with the Cup.

LeoS


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:13 pm EST

I get the Pens hate but still ... we'd have built a Sid statue by now if he wore the blue. Him and Malkin 1-2 at C, Letang on D and even minus him they win again. Once they came up with Sheary, Rust, Guentzel for speed depth and that 'loser' Kessel who 'doesn't care' and 'eats too many frankfurters ...' Of course we'd rip Letang for being 'bad defensively.' Also ... Matt Murray. SOs in the final games 5 and 6. Of course we have the old man who wins big in those super international tourneys. Oh well.

Nick


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:53 pm EST

A third liner goes on from the New York Rangers to back 2 back cup wins? Tragic. I liked Hagelin. I liked his versatility. I liked the speed and aggression. But, he's a utility guy. I'd love to still have him in a blueshirt still but in the cap world? Hard to hold it altogether indefinitely. Let's put it this way, I would've kept Yandle before Hagelin.

E


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:40 pm EST

Great Carl Hagelin. 61 games in 2016-2017. 6/16 for a great 22 points. Playoffs.15 games, 2 points. Funny how Rangers fan are obsessed with this guy. Had he still play for the Rangers, at $4 mil per, everyone would have cried on how bad his contract is and how Sather, again, had overpaid for the player.. You can't have it both ways... One thing is clear. You can't win the cup without a superstar Centerman and , in most cases, a superstar d-man. Shitsburg has two superstar Centerman and had one top d-man. Hence two cups in a row. Rangers??? NONE. We have a non so supper goaltender and a decent cast... Hense, Rangers are playing gulf, while Sidney and her life partner Mario are hosting their 3rd cup...

andrei


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:18 pm EST

I put the game on part way thru the 2nd period and watched a bit of the 3rd. What a snoozefest. Intensity there of course but just really not very entertaining hockey from the game of hockey perspective. That's the NHL on most nights, however. Did Buttman touch Crosby's ass during the cup presentation crap??

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:18 pm EST

I put the game on part way thru the 2nd period and watched a bit of the 3rd. What a snoozefest. Intensity there of course but just really not very entertaining hockey from the game of hockey perspective. That's the NHL on most nights, however. Did Buttman touch Crosby's ass during the cup presentation crap??

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:17 pm EST

Matt Cullen who needs him ... all the way back to metrosexual renney...

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:15 pm EST

Malkenstein most points skidmark get MVP . way to go Mario cut the strings from Pinocchio buttman .

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:11 pm EST

Surprise! Surprise! Not...

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:11 pm EST

Game. 6 of the finals and they let a ref make a mistake on a goal that's a disgrace. But the NHL gets its wish . Continuing to be amateur . 1-0 preds could have changed the outcome tonight . Hagelin and sully win 2 cups .buttman should work in a circus.

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:09 pm EST

2nd CUP for Haglin......embarrassing.

melvillefred


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:03 pm EST

Thank god it's over!! They won't get 3rd in a row so it will be someone else next year. Will it be the Rangers?!. No f'in way.

melvillefred


Sun Jun 11 2017 9:46 pm EST

mf: What new TV deal? If it's in the US it's probably worth on average a 3rd pairing d-man's salary.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 9:45 pm EST

stevie: True about Ottawa...but worse in Florida, Carolina, Islanders, Phoenix, New Jersey and probably in a few years Las Vegas.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 8:53 pm EST

rf4l, I would consider that deal but I'd miss the Cap'n Parminter comments.

Pal17


Sun Jun 11 2017 8:35 pm EST

Another ref blows a goal with his whistle

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 7:37 pm EST

NN: This Canadian Dollar exchange rate is a load of bullocks, we should just take over Canada and make this a non-issue already... Raise the Cap I say!

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 7:30 pm EST

MF: The $500 million expansion fee does not count towards the HRR; also with the Canadian dollar down that does not help the cap.

DOUBLEN


Sun Jun 11 2017 7:23 pm EST

Ha, a new TV deal and an expansion team paying an entry ante and no increase to the cap? Verrrry interesting.

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 7:20 pm EST

At least Nashville is sold out . Ottawa was a disgrace

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 6:54 pm EST

Stevie.... Yeah, it could be the difference of us buying out Staal or Girardi.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 6:49 pm EST

Rhet that's bad new for the nyr . Buttman needs more expansion

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 6:48 pm EST

Tom Gulitti‏Verified account @TomGulittiNHL ..... Ryan Ellis is dressed for warmups

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 6:45 pm EST

NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports ..... Report: Salary cap likely to remain flat for 2017-18 http://wp.me/p14QU5-ak2m

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 6:34 pm EST

Irving that's called moooofing ... I'm all for getting Captain Kirk. Kovaltine if the price is right . Butchie would be happy to have a comrade.

Stevielegs


Sun Jun 11 2017 5:27 pm EST

Here's a scenario where a buyout of Girardi or Staal opens an opportunity for us to trade for a D'man which requires protecting....... http://www.thehockeynews.com/rumors/article/rumor-roundup-three-teams-that-could-move-a-d-man-before-the-expansion-draft

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 2:51 pm EST

Just mooooosing on a Sunday afternoon: but thinking about landing KOVALCHUK & signing SHATTENKIRK for a minute……. 1) you bring in 2 RHS to balance out the attack. Mucho importante’ IMO … 2) you take a heavy load off of Rick Nash as IK can play the role of top dog and draw ist pair coverage..… IK is a big bodied guy, similar to JJ in that aspect, has a great 1 timer, he’s a good skater with speed… I’d like to think that some of his offensive instincts would help Nash’s game and that some of Nash’s commitment to defense would help IK’s game….. I got to believe that IK will play his heart out much like Radulov did to prove he belongs in the NHL………….. SO, what will NJ want to part ways with IK? How much do we have to pay IK & Terms? Radulov was paid $5.75mill on a one year deal, IK should be in the same range maybe less dollars longer term…… Next: a bit of Line Bingo, do we have Step a RHS dishing to IK a RHS or does Hayes LHS find his new Johnny Hockey to dish to? ………….. Shattenkirk: The very top end I can see Shattenkirk commanding is 6 yrs at $7mill per, so we can work down from that figure and just a reminder here, McDonagh has 2 years remaining at $4.7mill, and will deserve a raise…… Shattenkirk turned 28 this January & McDonagh turns 28 this June………….AON: I’m willing to bet a cup of decaf that Kevin Klein has plenty of good hockey left in him............... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE5gWy2pPVA

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 2:24 pm EST

If Sakic is willing to trade MACKINNON for SKJEI, JT Miller & HAYES sign me up….. Sure it creates a lot of work but all 3 of those guys are more easily replaced…………... I don’t see how you work Tyson Barrie into this mix, even if you pony up Stepan in place of Hayes……….. No way do would I add McDonagh into the mix, I’d focus improving our wings and forego trading for the ever elusive #1 center……… And please, No Duchene, I’ll take Landeskog to be our RW PF to counter-balance our supposed LF PF Kreider who IMO should be playing RW so that he is on his forehand when he gets loose on a breakaway and cuts to the net, but wtf do I know? …….. As far as Cap Space is concerned moving both Girardi and Staal in some fashion whether its buyouts, trades, trades & eating some salary, gives us plenty of room, and hopefully sometime soon we can start guessing with confidence on the amount that the Cap will be increased, hopefully by $3mill bring it to $76mill………… On the subject of who to protect Grabner, Fast, Lindberg, I offer this: “you can’t teach speed,” protect Grabner! :->)

mf


Sun Jun 11 2017 1:04 pm EST

RF, I'll go a step further with you. I don't think a top flight goalie is a necessity to win in the NHL now. There are so many good goalies out there now. Number one centers are more rare than great goalies. But that too is also abstract. What is a great number one Center? Production? On ice dominance? I'm not even sure what it truly is. Whatever it is, I've always felt that Stepan (who I've maligned more than probably he deserves - I just hate guys who can't skate and doesn't contribute another dimension) is just a step below. How? Why? It's not stats. Finding a Center that will click off one consistent year after another of 50-60 points is a joy to behold. What team wouldn't want that? But whatever "it" is he doesn't have it to me. He's not Getzlaf but he's also better than Jordan Staal in my opinion. I think Gorto is hoping Z could get to that next level. I mean he had a north side of 50 points and had signs at times in Ottawa. Yet, he also was on track for a great season. And after he came back from the leg break it took time for him to get back up to speed.

E


Sun Jun 11 2017 12:09 pm EST

AON, would anyone entertain the notion of keeping Skjei and offering McD in a deal with the Aves? If that's the case, then perhaps it's McD, Hayes and Miller for MacKinnon and Barrie. That's a huge deal and I really don't know if the Aves would want a soon to be 28 year d-man who's 2 years away from being an UFA. That said, McD would anchor their backline and perhaps bring some stability to the team. His departure from NY would also go a long way towards altering the team chemistry and leadership issue. I think, however, it's too drastic a move for Gorton. Fun to muse about, however.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 12:05 pm EST

In looking at the Aves depth chart I see they signed Tyson Jost, a potential number 1 centre. They also have the 4th overall selection so perhaps I can see the possibility of making MacKinnon available. Perhaps they want to avoid what's happened in Edmonton where years of losing have basically ruined the value of Eberle and Nugent-Hopkins (not to mention Yakapov). MacKinnon only scored 16 goals last year. Duchense 18 and Landeskog 18. Their top goal scorer was rookie Mikko Rantanen with 20. Another lousy year with those 3 under-achieving statistically and their value drops even more. Now may be the time to trade them. MacKinnon and Duchense each are pulling in around $6,000,000/per so they aren't easy contracts to simply move and that becomes a bigger issue this time next year if nothing changes. If MacKinnon was acquired by Gorton for sure Stepan and his bigger contract would likely have to go. And that's fine. Use him to address the backline.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:56 am EST

And I also see your point about the Predators and their strong backline. But what shouldn't be dismissed is that they were the 16th PO seed, this despite that excellent starting 4. Ryan Johansen is IMO a number 1 centre but he's still finding his game and for sure, his absence is hurting the club big time.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:54 am EST

In that proposed deal for McKinnon that includes Miller, Hayes and Skjei, the offshoot is we gain an extra protection slot at forward. Its essentially that trio for McKinnon and either Fast, Grabner or Lindberg if we are under the assumption that Vegas is taking one of them. Also, trading Stepan becomes a possibility which potentially will also free up protection slots. Maybe Stepan and one of 5/18 to Dallas for #3 and Honka or someone similar.

me33


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:53 am EST

E: I see your point but I feel the single biggest failing of the Rangers in the Sather era, especially these past 6 or 7 years, is the lack of a true number 1 centre. Every cup team save for the Bruins, had a true number 1 centre leading the way. The Bruins are the anomaly, but their sheer intimidation style helped make up for that. Chicago, LA and Pittsburgh all have number 1 centres. It's arguably more important than a number 1 goalie. I concur getting MacKinnon won't make them automatic cup contenders but let's not forget MacKinnon is only 21 and his acquisition would mean one of the most important positions, if not THE most important, would be addressed for the next decade or more. I find it difficult to believe MacKinnon is available but if he is, Gorton should be doing his best to land him. Stepan could then be subsequently dispatched to help address the backline. Skjei most certainly would have to the other way and that would be a big loss but arguably easier to compensate vs trying to find a number 1 centre.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:45 am EST

RF: I know how much the New York Rangers fans want to see that featured threat but up front they are deep. And for the most part it works. Or in my eyes it works to the extent that goal scoring from up front is not my pressing issue. I really see this as the offseason of defense. 50% of the defense is just inadequate on both ends of the ice. And that has to change. And clearly Henke is not going to hide their problems any longer. And so, if they were to lose some depth and gain 2-solid defenseman (thru whatever means) I'd be a happy camper and I really think that this team would have every shot to go out there against the rest of the east and play well to get to the third round. I still go back to they lost to an inferior Ottawa team that just was opportunistic. The New York Rangers should've won that series and they only have themselves to blame. Than you can argue whether they could get past Pittsburgh and beyond. But my opinion is that once you're in the ECF is on, throw out the prediction pundits and go play hockey. I saw Nashville earlier this season and all I could think about was, "now that's a defense I like." They aren't particularly great in their own end as much as they just own the puck and play their shifts in the o-zone. They're fast, mobile, and aggressive. They hawk the puck relentlessly. And I think in some ways they are the anti-New York Rangers. If Nashville had the New York Rangers depth up front they'd be a juggernaut. Vice/versa. And I think with Skjei and McD you already are a 1/3 of the way there. You could add a solid defender thru UFA and get Smith back and you'd be halfway there. Then, it's one guy and a slot for depth. Close but yet so far away. But, if ever there was a great year for the New York Rangers needs and market to line up this is the summer. A lot of teams may walk away ass hurting from this summer but some teams are going to look genius with their moves. It's the summer of Gorto to earn his stripes. He can finally make the team "his." No pressure...

E


Sun Jun 11 2017 11:27 am EST

I can't see Sakic moving MacKinnon. You have a franchise level center and you want to move him for a bunch of the depth. Good depth but I just don't see that as a strategy. By contrast, Duchene is very talented although stale. He may not be as awesome MacKinnon is but he is a player that almost the entire league would want to take a swing at. I really think that Colorado would move a Duchene or Landeskog in order to get deeper. Both players would give you a nice return. The reality for Colorado is that they have 2-very good forwards in Duchene and Landeskog with their franchise center and a million holes everywhere else.

E


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:51 am EST

Wild: MMmm...so would a package of Hayes, Miller and Skjei get Sakic's attention re MacKinnon? I'd be willing to consider such a move but I think it's top-heavy on the Rangers part so the Aves need to throw something else in the mix, like perhaps their 2nd round pick.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:43 am EST

Here in Colorado it's basically every single player is available for the right return. If it gives the team a group of younger better players then they have the draft picks to go get a top line C if they move the one they have while still getting better. I don't see it happening, but if someone bites the bullet and makes that massive payment they will move anyone.

Wildcard


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:21 am EST

FWIW, I'll be shocked if Sakic moves MacKinnon. Just makes no sense to me - a young number 1 centre are extremely difficult assets to acquire. What are the intentions of the Aves anyways? Are they under pressure to make the POs? That's the only scenario I can discern where MacKinnon would be available - many a bad moves have been made under the pressure from ownership to hurry a rebuild. Of course, the Aves have been in rebuild mode since 2011 so I can see where patience could be growing thin on ownership's part.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 10:00 am EST

My overall point about YANDLE is less about the Panthers' strategy and more about what they think he's worth after a season. Of course, there could be all sorts of reasons or strategies for them to ask him to waive his NMC. But look at the names they're trying to protect in doing so: DEMERS, PETROVIC, JOKINEN, MARCHESSAULT, PYSYK...these are all good roster players...but no one I'd even flinch about if they were lost in the expansion draft. I suspect the Kitties are asking Yandle to waive his NMC because they're now realizing what kind of an unmitigated disaster his contract will soon be...He was maybe worth that money three or four years ago...but the guy totally forgot how to shoot the puck on net...can't QB a powerplay effectively and is an absolute adventure in the defensive zone...Bad trade by the Rangers? Yes. At least in acquiring him...an ancillary impact was the second rounder they traded in that deal with which the Flames grabbed Oliver KYLINGTON...One pick later, the Leafs grabbed Jeremey BRACCO. Not sure where Kylington ends up, but Bracco...man, he's a good player.

tdchi


Sun Jun 11 2017 9:57 am EST

Of course the Rangers are interested in those 2 players - what team wouldn't be, especially MacKinnon. He's gonna cost the club Skjei, Hayes and Miller, however, or something along those lines. That's a lot to give up but tempting IMO because MacKinnon would give them something they've not had since Messier I - a legitimate first line center. His presence would automatically elevate Stepan's game, too. That said, with Z and Lindberg in the lineup, Stepan could still be traded, perhaps to address the defense that would obviously be weakened by the departure of Skjei. That package, BTW, would likely fetch MacKinnon and another asset although the latter would be considerably secondary. Just me musing here of course. However, a package of those 3 should get the attention of any opposing GM.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 9:41 am EST

LOL! Step 1. Log onto RFC. Step 2. Scan posts. Step 3. Find player name. Step 4. Write article citing 'sources'...

tdchi


Sun Jun 11 2017 9:20 am EST

Per Brooks, the NYR are interested in MacKinnon and Barrie.... http://nypost.com/2017/06/11/rangers-testing-trade-waters-but-right-partner-may-prove-elusive/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 8:44 am EST

It also could be a calculated gamble - no one will take on the contract (meaning the Showers can't find suitors for a draft and trade). Also, the Panthers may send something after the draft to the Showers as part of the Showers not selecting him. The same thing apparently is happening with Dion Phaneuf.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 8:26 am EST

TD.... IMO, they're taking a calculated risk. The hope is that his contract will deter LV from taking him, especially with all the defensemen that will be available during the Expansion Draft. They're are also only two options for a team to protect players. They are either (a) 8 skaters or (b) 3 defensemen and 7 forwards. Once you decide you need to protect 5 forwards, there really is no other option.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 11 2017 8:25 am EST

TD: Re Yandle - yes, agreed. What a stupid idiotic trade by Sather. Worse than 2 firsts for MSL and that's saying a lot.

rf4l


Sun Jun 11 2017 5:38 am EST

Rhet0ric - Well, look at it this way: The Panthers see PETROVIC, PYSYK and/or DEMERS as more valuable than YANDLE. They are trying to protect one of those guys over Yandle...and that to me is says just about all you need to know about Yandle...that he was signed to a bad contract and the team who signed him has realized that. Would they be shopping him if there was no expansion draft? Most likely not. Most GMs worth their salt at least give the start of a news season to help things work out...The other thing I'd point out is that if the Kitties DID want to keep Yandle, they could very easily protect four forwards and four defensemen...I have no idea why they are, as projected, protecting JOKINEN. And then flip a coin with Reilly SMITH or MARCHESSAULT...both good players, but not exactly the guys I'd protect rather than move a guy signed to be a major part of your defense...Truth is, the guy is an adventure on D. And I know there were a lot of words wasted on here trying to prove otherwise...but really, he's an all-offense guy. Two going on three teams have decided he's not the cornerstone you build a defense around.

tdchi


Sat Jun 10 2017 11:06 pm EST

sather panicked and hired ass vipe before Dallas did. So Dallas hired lindy and mess said goodbye genius. Ahkneel can go and take his pp with him.

Stevielegs


Sat Jun 10 2017 9:33 pm EST

BLACKHAWKS WORKING THE TRADE LINES? .....TheFourthPeriod.com ..... The Chicago Blackhawks have been active on the trade front, as GM Stan Bowman's phone has been heating up over this past week. The Blackhawks are already believed to have stricken a deal with the Vegas Golden Knights to send forward Marcus Kruger to the Knights and have Vegas select Trevor van Riemsdyk in the expansion draft. Aside from that move, however, the Blackhawks still need to shed salary and gain cap space, even if the salary cap slightly increases for next season. One player the Blackhawks are believed to have received interest in has been defenseman Niklas Hjalmarsson, who has two-years left on his contract. Hjalmarsson, 30, owns a limited no-movement clause where he can list 10 teams he will accept a trade to. It's unclear if Chicago has asked him to modify his list or not, or if they've requested an updated list from him. There have also been rumblings over the future of Blackhawks goalie Corey Crawford, who also owns a modified no-movement clause where he too can list a 10-team trade list. Crawford, 32, has three-years left on his contract, which comes with a $6 million salary cap hit.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 9:32 pm EST

Arniel moving: I recall lots of mocking when Mike Sullivan got named as the new head coach in Pittsburgh about 16 months ago....mmmmm

Rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 9:29 pm EST

My biggest regret about the Yandle deal was the stupid ass Yandle deal. Go away for good Nob for life....

Rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 8:37 pm EST

TD.., You can't equate them asking Yandle to waive his clause as being the same as them wanting to move on from him. The Panthers have too many promising young forwards to protect and are caught between a rock and a hard place.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 8:16 pm EST

We could not be lucky enough to see him get a job elsewhere.... "Elliotte Friedman reports that Rangers associate coach Scott Arniel interviewed for the head coach openings in Florida and Buffalo. (Sportsnet) Florida is hiring San Jose assistant Bob Boughner while Buffalo is reportedly waiting to hire Dan Bylsma's replacement until after the Stanley Cup Final. (Sportsnet) Arniel spoke last summer about his hope to get another head coaching job in the NHL. He coached 1 1/2 seasons in Columbus, going 45-60-18 from 2010 to 2012. Arniel has been an associate coach with the Rangers since Alain Vigneault was hired."

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 8:16 pm EST

Weren't there folks here who wanted the Rangers to resign YANDLE? Interesting that the Kitties are already souring on him...And by interesting, I mean not surprising. I seriously have no idea why they signed him to the contract they did...my biggest regret about the Yandle affair is that the Rangers didn't immediately trade him the summer after they got him. Probably could have gotten at least the return they gave the Yotes to get him...The sixth round pick they got is Tyler WALL, who as a rookie for UMass-Lowell, was pretty spectacular...they have a fourth rounder this draft.

tdchi


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:37 pm EST

Keith Yandle, Dion Phaneuf Asked To Waive No-Movement Clauses.... https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/2017/06/phaneuf-movement-clauses.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:31 pm EST

So long Adam West! TV's Batman ....you will be missed.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:26 pm EST

Does this mean we can anticipate a Ruffer brand of hockey next season? Should make some of the Wallsters very happy.

mf


Sat Jun 10 2017 6:03 pm EST

AV's replacement soon could be as close as right down the bench..... "According to Elliotte Friedman, there are rumblings that the Rangers contacted former Sabres and Stars coach Lindy Ruff about possibly joining Alain Vigneault's staff. (Sportsnet)" "Friedman said that the idea of adding Ruff to the team is about making the group of coaches stronger and not about having Vigneault "look over his shoulder." (Sportsnet)" "As Friedman notes, there are many connections between Ruff and the Rangers including being a teammate as a player with Scott Arniel and Rangers SVP Jim Schoenfeld. While Ruff was the coach in Buffalo he coached Rangers assistant GM Chris Drury and also had Arniel as an assistant coach. (Sportsnet)" "Ruff also played parts of three seasons with the Rangers in the late 80s and early 90s. Ruff was reportedly a candidate to be head coach of the Rangers in 2013 before the team hired Alain Vigneault."

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 4:19 pm EST

mf.....I think you meant to say when they WIN the SCF FORGET JUST GETTING THERE.....

melvillefred


Sat Jun 10 2017 4:11 pm EST

SO there are a couple rumor people (I don't know if one is just copying the other or not though that may be the case so take this with a grain of salt) that the Rangers have Raanta out there in the market and are looking for a 2nd and a higher level prospect forward...falls in line with the rumors that if they traded him that they would want goos return PLUS the forward they will lose in the expansion draft.

Wildcard


Sat Jun 10 2017 3:10 pm EST

s/b: "markedly improved"

mf


Sat Jun 10 2017 3:08 pm EST

I think that both Staal & Girardi have been very much appreciated by the fans which adds to players enjoyment of playing on this team, so it’s a two way street but the time has come to, “Ramble On,” we need to make it to the SCF.. There’s more than just Hank’s window which opens & closes, Girardi & Staals window in all likelihood has passed, how long does Stepan have? Zucc? McDonagh? Not looking to debate individual players shelf life on this squad, I’m more in a win-now frame of mind……………. Permit me to go down the pay for it now to win now path………….Does NJ want Staal or Girardi? If Girardi & prospects not named Sean Day, Gropp, or any of the Wallster Favorites could land us KOVALCHUK, let’s say we do that………. Can we trade Marc Staal primarily to dump his salary ($5.7mill) to clear room for Shattenkirk? …………… How does this leave us for the Expansion Draft ??? Are we trading Stepan? Hayes? Lindberg? Obviously, considering moving each player takes us on a different path…… Some random thoughts: Stepan’s cap hit, is Stepan capable of dispensing the puck if lined up with Kovalchuk? Is Hayes a good line-mate for a guy like IK? Do we trade Hayes now because of his perceived value? Is Hayes capable of coming into camp marketably improved from this past season like he did the year before? Are we colorblind to Lindberg because he’s a homegrown / fan favorite or can he be easily replaced by a UFA ? …………. Can trading one of Staal, Hayes or Lindberg to Dallas perhaps along with our 21st get us that 3rd pick…. With the Expansion Draft looming, and the lack of generational talent in the this year’s much of the attention has been drawn away from the Entry Draft… After Patrick and Hischier (slated to go 1 & 2 in no particular order) sitting available at number three and a guy who could slip to 5,6, or 7, is Gabe Vilardi………… Since there seems to be no clear cut obvious choice in picks 3-6 there is an opportunity to draft a conceived “best player & need at the same time.” Gabe Vilardi is a RHS Centerman who is an above average skater, he’s something like 6’2, good stick, and drives to the net at the levels he plays at and there is no reason to think that as he matures and moves up the ranks to the NHL level, that all of a sudden he’s going to stop doing so…………. Back to Carolina and uniting Marc Staal with his brother, I imagine that Marc knows all the pro’s & cons of Carolina from his brothers and they have JUSTIN FAULK, “IF” Marc Staal and Hayes or Lindberg can land you or get you close to acquiring FAULK, I think it deserves serious consideration…..

mf


Sat Jun 10 2017 8:05 am EST

Something that I think gets really lost in the STAAL and GIRARDI conversations is that these are two proud players who have been with a franchise their entire professional career...who LIKE New York...and who have been two a cup finals and two conference finals with the team...I don't know why fans think they'll be so willing to X or Y team for a few extra dollars. It's not like either of them isn't financially set for life...the contract they have with the Rangers will ensure they live very comfortably...So money and tax rates aren't going to be motivating factors for either, if you ask me. We have a little more wiggle room with Girardi, if memory serves me correct, because there is half the NHL we can offer him to...but Staal? Nope. He's not leaving New York unless he's bought out, IMO. You could try to coax him into joining one of his brothers...I suppose you could call up Carolina, since they seem pretty happy to take prospects for bad contracts...but even there, the assumption is that he's going to say 'OK I'll go' willingly...and I don't think that's the case...read his comments from the other day...this is a guy who has every intention of coming back next fall.

tdchi


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:55 am EST

mf - Man, you're hot on VILARDI eh? Again...I hear things like VATANAN for the third-round pick and man, that makes me wonder what they know that we don't know...because while Vatanan is a for-sure top-four defenseman and a very good one at that, he's not elite...and he's no all-star. He's not even close to that threshold...I kind of look at him as a STRALMAN with an upside...I can't think of a third rounder in recent memory that would have been swapped for a player like Vatanan. This is a pick most teams use to get a franchise player...and if not, damn near close...so to me, if the Stars are in fact shopping their third rounder...which is novel in and of itself...and if the price is as low as TANEV of Vatanan...well, then buyer beware. That says A LOT right there.

tdchi


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:50 am EST

RF4L - The Flyers already have their "McI" - Samuel MORIN. And he's basically right where McI was three years ago. Why would they sign another one?

tdchi


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:24 am EST

RF4L... I'll make a prediction that he's just as likely to be re-signed with the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:23 am EST

Wild.... Yeah, Florida and Carolina are real tossups. St. Louis may also be one. That could let teams like Dallas and LV in. Maybe G agrees to waive his NMC for the expansion draft. It seems like a pretty safe bet that he or Staal wont be taken ....MF.... His favorite team growing up was TO. I'm still skeptical that he'd uproot the family and move to TO. He's been in NY for 11 seasons and before that, 2 seasons in Hartford. NY is all his kids have ever known. He might, but I'm skeptical.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:17 am EST

...then makes the Flyers and in the first Flyer game in NY, concusses Rick Nash on a dirty hit in front of the Ranger bench and no Ranger responds.

rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:16 am EST

BTW, a prediction: McI is signed in July by the Flyers.

rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:15 am EST

Read today that the Ducks would be willing to send Vatanen to Dallas for the 3rd overall pick.

rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 7:05 am EST

Funny how the media picks up stuff amongst itself. I swear we on the board were the first to muse about the possibility of Gorther shopping Raanta before the Shower draft and now I keep reading again and again about how the Rangers are considering moving him. Not that it doesn't make sense - if the price isn't too high it would behoove IMO a team looking for a goalie to take a chance on Raanta.

rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 6:55 am EST

mf: All players are paid in US dollars, so no, other than whatever the tax rate is (and it's stupid here in Canada), no financial penalty for playing on a Canadian team.

rf4l


Sat Jun 10 2017 1:32 am EST

Rhet: 'When Lundqvist retires'? Christ they'll be playing hockey with brain waves by then, like the three brains under glass in the original Trek episode. "Six quatloos on Les Canadiens!" "Ten quatloos on the Blueshirts!"

Nick


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:41 pm EST

Do the NJD have any interest in Girardi or Staal? I'd kick the tires on KOVALCHUK, big boy, RHS....

mf


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:26 pm EST

The following US States do not have state income taxes: Alaska, Florida, Nevada, South Dakota, Texas, Washington and Wyoming........ So Dan Girardi to Nevada is a pay raise..... Do the players lose income as a result of playing on a Canadian franchise? Girardi is from Welland Canada, not too far from Buffalo NY & Toronto, maybe he & the Mrs. want to be closer to home.. https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1138157,-79.4759533,9z

mf


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:13 pm EST

TD: I read somewhere that Gabe Vilardi is related to Lou Naane

mf


Fri Jun 9 2017 9:59 pm EST

I left the Florida teams on there, because you know, NO TAXES and all.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 9:54 pm EST

WILD... Yeah, I was trying to figure out where his wife is from. If we go by the premise that he doesn't want to uproot the family too much, he'll probably want to stay on the east coast. Meaning, that would leave the west coast out. I'm thinking his list may probably include: 1-Edmonton; 2-Winnipeg; 3-Buffalo 4-Toronto; 5-Ottawa; 6-Montreal; 7-Calgary; 8-Vancouver; 9-Dallas; 10-Anaheim; 11-LA ; 12-San Jose; 13-VEGAS; 14-Phoenix and 15-Colorado. My best guess is that he'd be willing to go to the following: 1-Boston; 2-Detroit; 3-Chicago; 4-NJD; 5-NYI; 6-Columbus; 7-Minnesota; 8-Nashville, 9-St. Louis; 10-Carolina; 11-Florida; 12-Philadelphia; 13-Pittsburgh; 14-Washington; and 15-Tampa Bay.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:47 pm EST

Rhet: I would add to that list of teams the Avalanche, at least for right now. Carolina, Florida might be on some guy's lists...the other things we can't know. I mean does Giradi or his wife hate hot climates? If so Dallas could be on that list. Do they love to ski, the AVS may be an OK one stuff like that. Nash for instance appears to not want any Canadian teams. Right now another most guys may have is Vancouver....

Wildcard


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:34 pm EST

rngrsans - Post script: SUCK IT, CROSBY. That is all.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:33 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I gotta say, I didn't see much from Vin LETTIERI that said to me he's NHL-bound. Decent player. I would say he seemed more like a grinder/defensive forward...but the game I saw him in the Pack got butt-thrashed something fierce...Interesting part is he's related to a Ranger draft pick who kind of fell off the planet thanks to an NCAA transfer: Tyler NANNE. Lou Nanne, his grand dad, was the North Stars' GM in the 80s. Tyler, I've heard, is a good player but has had a rough go. Not sure if either will ever pull on a Ranger jersey.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:27 pm EST

Crosby is a Whiner End of story

rngrsans


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:22 pm EST

VECCHIONE - HA! Oh well, buddy...have fun riding the bus. Then again, there was probably a 99 percent chance that's what he'd be doing in New York anyway. In fact, he probably has a better chance at making the Flyers than he does the Rangers at this point...even with PATRICK or HISCHIER on that shit-ass team...which leads me to my next point...VERSTEEG?!? Seriously. What do these guys smoke to think an idea like Kris Versteeg to the Rangers makes an ounce of sense. Good player? Certainly. But what exactly would he bring that they don't already have? Answer: Nothing. Next.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 7:56 pm EST

fotiu22 - Just more evidence that CROSBY can do absolutely anything in this league and the refs will turn a blind eye.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 7:37 pm EST

MF... Question: If you're Dan Girardi, do you put LV on your list of 15 teams that you wont accept a trade to? Logically, you may say "of course" but aren't there worse teams he can be dealt to? According to Craig Custance (ESPN) last year when he interview 10 Agent's about the teams most often put on NTC lists, the answers were: 1-Edmonton; 2-Winnipeg; 3-Buffalo with 4 being a tie between Toronto and Ottawa. Off the top of my head I would think we could probably add the other 3 Canadian teams (sorry to our neighbor from the North) and Arizona. Want to venture a guess who the other six teams could be?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 6:59 pm EST

Interesting to once again hear about salary cap guess-timations for the upcoming season, I guess that means we're getting a year older, woohoo.... So if the players opt for the 5% whatchamacallit, we're looking like a $76-$77mill credit line, lets go shopping on Daddy Dolans credit card! Versteeg? nah ..... Also interesting to find Bungholio allowing trades to take place during his Stanly Flop Finals.....

mf


Fri Jun 9 2017 6:43 pm EST

I would prefer to see the Predators win, but I really don't care that much. I'd rather see the season end so we can get to the important business at hand... Important NHL Dates coming up.... June 12: Teams that are due to submit a protected list, excluding those preoccupied with a (potential) Game 6 of the Stanley Cup Final, have until this point to request players with no-movement protection to waive that immunity. The Penguins and Predators will be extended until 5 p.m. ET the day after the Cup is raised, meaning a Marc-Andre Fleury sit-down could occur up to three days after, say, Kevin Bieksa is called into Bob Murray’s office..... June 15: One day after a (potential) Game 7 marks the beginning of the first buy-out period. Teams face the deadline to formally request that players surrender their “No move” for the purpose of a buy out..... June 16: This is last chance for general managers to place players on waivers before the Expansion Draft/Trade freeze. Meanwhile, players asked to waive their protection to accommodate the expansion strategy have until 5 p.m. ET to agree..... June 17: The freeze commences. Non-expansion teams simultaneously submit their protected lists, which puts a full stop on activity outside the Vegas boardroom..... June 18: Protected lists are dispersed league-wide (this includes Vegas) by the NHL, and the Golden Knights officially have the floor. The free agent interview period opens for the expansion club from the moment the lists are distributed. This only applies to players who have been exposed..... June 21: Vegas must submit its selections, including any standard player contract signed with a restricted or unrestricted free agent by 10 a.m. ET. The selections will be announced later that night in concurrence with the NHL Awards..... June 22: The freeze is lifted, allowing all 31 teams to resume normal day-to-day business. This comes literally just in time for the NHL Draft, which begins the next day because things aren’t chaotic enough.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 6:01 pm EST

This was tweeted by the Ducks a little while ago.......' Anaheim Ducks‏Verified account @AnaheimDucks ..... Have Expansion Draft questions? We're here to help! Check out our rundown on what you need to know: http://bit.ly/ExpansionDraft_060917' …... It was followed up by this tweet from LV..... 'Vegas Golden Knights‏Verified account @GoldenKnights ...... Vegas Golden Knights Retweeted Anaheim Ducks So @AnaheimDucks. 7 forwards and 3 defensemen or 8 skaters? We're asking for a friend.'

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 5:54 pm EST

NHL on NBC‏Verified account @NHLonNBCSports ...... Steve Bernier agrees to two-year, two-way deal with Islanders

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:56 pm EST

New York Rangers’ free agent profile: Kris Versteeg... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/09/new-york-rangers-free-agent-profile-kris-versteeg/

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:50 pm EST

http://www.csnphilly.com/philadelphia-flyers/end-end-what-does-no-2-pick-mean-mike-vecchione

mf


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:42 pm EST

Flyers signed GHOSTISBEHERE for $4.5 million? Absolute STEAL. Of course, the just inked his buddy, VECCHIONE. I would absolutely KILL to have Ghost on this team. And it's such a shame he's getting squandered in that heap that is the Flyers.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:41 pm EST

When Lundqvist retires, #NYRangers won't be short talent in net, writes @HartnettHockey.... Read http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/06/09/new-york-rangers-antti-raanta-igor-shestyorkin-nhl/ … #NYR #NHL .....TD.... That was pretty much Twitters reaction to that report. There must be more to it than that.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:38 pm EST

If Chris TANEV and a second rounder is worth the third overall pick in this draft, then this is seriously the weakest draft since 1999. Maybe weaker. Tanev is marginally a top-4 defenseman. Probably would be on the Rangers because he's a righty...but on, say, the Preds? He'd be a bottom pairing.

tdchi


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:12 pm EST

To Clarify the tweet... Brooks is saying that it's "Nonsense" that the NYR are out on Kovalchuk. Personally, I still don't see us making a deal with the DEVIL.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 4:10 pm EST

Larry Brooks‏ @NYP_Brooksie 1m1 minute ago More Ohhh Larry..... Larry Brooks Retweeted Igor Eronko ....Larry Brooks added: "Nonsense" ..... Igor EronkoVerified account @IgorEronko Hearing that #NYRangers are out of the Ilya Kovalchuk sweepstakes

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:48 pm EST

Prior was from Yahoo Sports.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:46 pm EST

A few days ago, Boston Bruins general manager Don Sweeney sounded prepared to move the 18th overall pick in this month’s NHL Draft. Now, there are rumblings out of Boston that the Bruins and Minnesota Wild may be discussing a trade. One of the areas of his team Sweeney would like to improve is — surprise, surprise — on the blue line. A few weeks ago, he openly shared that he’d like to bring in a top-four puck-moving defenseman. One name being floated out there as a possible fit is Minnesota’s Jonas Brodin, a left-shooting defender who turns 24 years old in July and has four more years remaining on his six-year, $25 million contract. ....Stevie... They will trade him to somebody. We could wait, but he will be gone.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:41 pm EST

Vatanen is injured probably out for 5 months . Why trade for him now ?

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:38 pm EST

Guess lost wages planned on golden showers nickname... it stays in Vegas ...

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:38 pm EST

I think Klein may have some trade value after the draft. There are some teams that will be shorthanded on D and will need some help after the Expansion Draft. What works in Klein's favor is that he is a Right and only has one year left on his deal. It probably wont be a lot of value, but I'm optimistic we would be able to get rid of his cap hit.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:36 pm EST

Criers paid avg 4.5 for 6 years 27 mil ... come on down Captain Kirk...

Stevielegs


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:32 pm EST

I cannot see the Rangers buying out Staal - the cap hit is simply too high. It's Girardi who'll likely be gone especially seeing he becomes trade-able July 1. For sure, Gorton would be exploring possible suitors now, prepping for a move after July 1. The problem with that is the Rangers eat up 2 of their 3 defense Shower draft spots, exposing both KK and Holden and more importantly, preventing them from adding someone like Vatanen (before July 1). Logic suggests a Vatanen move will happen before the Shower draft. Definitely, Gorton's handicapped here to a certain degree.

rf4l


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:13 pm EST

"That team" sticks out to me.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:10 pm EST

6/9/17 | Marc Staal said that he wants to keep playing for the Rangers and added "I think I can help that team win. That's the bottom line." (TB News Watch) Staal said that he wasn't able to be consistently play his "best hockey" throughout the year and said that his goal for next year will be to play "elite hockey all year long." (TB News Watch) He said that he has heard the talk and the rumors about his future but said that he tries not to think about it too much until he knows the facts and, "I don't really know too much right now." (TB News Watch) Alain Vigneault said on breakup day that if you were to ask Staal, and Dan Girardi, if they were 20 minute a game players than they would probably still say yes. Staal holds a no-move clause and the Rangers would need his permission to trade him or expose him to Vegas in the expansion draft. The Rangers could buy Staal, 30, out but that would ultimately cost the Rangers cap space of $2.1 million in 17-18 & 18-19, $3.1 million in 19-20, $3.9 million in 20-21 and $1.4 million from 2021 to 2025. (Cap Friendly) This past season, Staal averaged 19:11, had 10 points, 89 hits, 97 blocks, 22 takeaways, 47 giveaways and started 57% of his 5 on 5 shifts in the regular season in the defensive zone. In the playoffs, Staal averaged 19:15 per game, was scoreless, a minus one, had 25 hits, 23 blocked shots, 0 takeaways and 7 giveaways.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:05 pm EST

Prospect Season Recap: Vinni Lettieri.... After a strong collegiate career at the University of Minnesota, forward Vinni Lettieri is looking to carry that success in the pro ranks with the Rangers organization. The undrafted, 22-year-old center inked a deal with the Blueshirts in March after four seasons with the Gophers that included a strong senior campaign that saw Lettieri help lead his alma matter to a Big Ten Regular Season Championship. Described as a three-zone player by Rangers Assistant Director of Player Personnel Steve Greeley, Lettieri set career-highs with 19 goals and 18 assists for 37 points in 38 games a season ago. In a March interview, Lettieri said his overall game "matured" during his college years. He said he entered the school as an offensive-minded player, and while that's still true, he said he was able to balance out his game and became a good defensive-forward as well. Lettieri credited his career-best 19 goals with him shooting the puck more, something he often passed on as a younger player. "That was one thing that I made sure I did throughout the game, is get a couple shots a period," he said. "In the past, not that I didn't have the capability to do what I did this year, but I always thought pass first or I thought pull up and wait for the D to come and pass to them. This year, I had more of a mentality of when I get in the zone, I'm going to try and do it more myself. Put the puck at the net and see what happens." Lettieri and Rangers defenseman Brady Skjei were teammates at Minnesota, and the blueliner said Lettieri has great potential to succeed in the Big Apple. "He's a great kid," Skjei said of Lettieri. "He works really hard. He's got a ton of skill, a ton of talent to be a successful player in New York." Lettieri registered an assist and 12 shots on goal in nine games with the Wolf Pack last season. Greeley said he was pleased with Lettieri's first few weeks as a professional, especially without the puck. "Another guy that was successful early in his AHL career in terms of playing a 200-foot game," he said before calling Lettieri a "coach's dream." "He's so reliable and so trustworthy," Greeley added. "His strength and speed were ready for the American League. I'm really excited to see him at development camp."

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 3:03 pm EST

Philadelphia Flyers‏Verified account @NHLFlyers .... Per GM Ron Hextall, the #Flyers have signed Shayne Gostisbehere to a multi-year contract extension →

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:59 pm EST

Dammit, forgot about Grabner.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:58 pm EST

Rhet: Or Holden. Or Grabner.

rf4l


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:57 pm EST

I like to think that the Rangers were never in the Kovalchoke sweepstakes. No thank you...

rf4l


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:57 pm EST

So if we trade Hayes for Vatanen (buying out G or Staal to open up the protection slot), protect Lindberg instead of Hayes, also assuming Fast doesn't get picked because he's 6 months away from a return and then Trade Raanta, who does Vegas pick instead? Klein?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:45 pm EST

I seriously doubt the Devils would have sent Kovalchuk to the NYR or NYI anyway.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:44 pm EST

Igor Eronko‏Verified account @IgorEronko.... Alexander Radulov got divorced so now he's free to sign the extension #Habs..... Hearing that #NYRangers are out of the Ilya Kovalchuk sweepstakes.... Vladislav Gavrikov working on US visa just to visit #BlueJackets' doctors. Columbus is ready to offer him AHL out clause and full bonuses.... Also per Arthur Staple‏Verified account @StapeNewsday..... #Isles not interested either, from what I've heard.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 2:16 pm EST

I'd do it, too but first gotta free up on defensive spot for the Shower draft.

rf4l


Fri Jun 9 2017 1:58 pm EST

Rhet: I would consider that deal depending of course on other deals that are out there, who is lost in expansion and what players they trade for other parts. If let's say Step is actually traded, and they get a you d D back in that trade or another due to have new assetes then that deal may no longer make sense....but on its own I would go for that.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 9 2017 1:45 pm EST

According to Darren Dreger, the Ducks want back a young forward with top-6 upside, for Sami Vatanen. “It would be a younger forward,” supposed Dreger. “Certainly a guy that would develop into a top-six, but it could be a combination of things as well." Kevin Hayes anyone?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:29 am EST

I cannot help separating the name Del Zotto with some variant of the phrase "fails to keep the puck in at the blue line". So much so my family name-checks him when we see a D miss an easy keep-in. [Not unlike the cross-crease outlet pass from behind the goal line being a "Marek Malik", a flagrant giveaway pass to a wide open guy in the slot is a "Girardi", shooting hard into the logo on the goalie's chest is a "Brendan Shannahan", being like 10 feet offsides is a "Sean Avery" and so on...]

LeoS


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:14 am EST

Ben Kuzma of the Vancouver Canucks: The Stars are dangling the No. 3 pick in the draft, and the Canucks might be interested. The Stars are looking for top-four, right-handed defenseman, The Canucks have 27-year old Chris Tanev, who carries a $4.45 million salary cap hit for the next three years. Tanev has a no-trade clause that kicks in on July 1st – lists eight teams that he can’t be traded to. Moving Tanev would create a big hole on the Canucks blueline. Nikita Tryamkin left for the KHL already, Erik Gudbranson has wrist surgery and they could lose Luca Sbisa in the expansion draft. They would still have Alex Edler, Troy Stecher, Ben Hutton and Gudbranson in their top-four. Would Tanev and their 2017 2nd round (No. 55 from Columbus) be enough for the Stars for the No. 3 pick? There are reports that the GM Jim Benning has already contacted the Stars about the pick.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 10:10 am EST

Per Chris Nichols of FanRag Sports: Elliotte Friedman was on the NHL Network and was talking about Washington Capitals free agent defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk. Friedman thinks that there was a point where the Capitals may have been hoping that they would be able to keep him. “That when they acquired him that they would look at him and he might look at them and say does he want to stay. I think that’s extremely unlikely right now. As you heard Brian MacLellan say at his end-of-season media briefing, they’re going to focus on their RFAs and then they’re going to take a look at T.J. Oshie if the cap does go up to about 77. So I think Shattenkirk is out. “I think he kind of knows what the market is going to be. The teams I kind of wonder about – I wonder about Dallas. We all know they’re looking for a D. Do they think that he’s the kind of guy. “We’ve all heard the rumors about the Rangers. I’m really curious to see about the Rangers’ direction this summer. I think there’s a chance they could just decide to go young. Friedman wonders if the Vegas Golden Knights would be interested. They will get an early chance to talk to him before any other teams – June 18th to 21st.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jun 9 2017 8:28 am EST

TD-problem with Del Zotto-IMO- was-his initial strength became his biggest weakness. Once opponents knew he preferred stretch passes on breakouts-they defended for it-and he forced them constantly anyway-many led to turnovers or icings. He never adjusted for opponents adjusting to his game. He was terrible as a PP quarterback his last 2 seasons on the point were abysmal-despite getting huge minutes on the first pair pp. Not saying he couldn't be a 3rd pair guy now, but I'd rather have someone else.

puckyou


Fri Jun 9 2017 7:09 am EST

I think I'm seeing a little bit of why Montreal traded Subban. 3 or 4 times this PO he's reacted like he's been shot on hits, throwing his gloves in the air, collapsing dramatically to the ice and flailing away clutching alleged grievously injured parts of his body. Miraculously, he manages to make it to the bench where he continues to react like he might need a hospital bed. A few minutes later, he's back on the ice no worse for the wear. If he was my teammate, I'd be embarrassed. And if he is actually making up the accusation that Crosby made a bad breath comment, another reason.

rf4l


Fri Jun 9 2017 5:56 am EST

I just figured out what ass vipe thinks of his pp... its a posterior protector ....

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 8 2017 11:31 pm EST

Justin Faulk stats: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7843

mf


Thu Jun 8 2017 11:29 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/07/new-york-rangers-metropolitan-division-trade-candidates/6/

mf


Thu Jun 8 2017 9:50 pm EST

No, but I'll rent you a toll bridge on the GWB..... :->

mf


Thu Jun 8 2017 9:49 pm EST

I hate the pens

rngrsans


Thu Jun 8 2017 9:37 pm EST

So, when Nashville loses, do you think maybe they'd trade us Ryan Johansen?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jun 8 2017 8:01 pm EST

Nashville looks ok....Pecca..not

rngrsans


Thu Jun 8 2017 8:00 pm EST

Anybody else watching this game? Not even the Rangers and my head is going to fucking explode. Crosby taking 5 or 6 cheap shots laying on top of subban with the ref looking right at it. Gloves right to the head. No whistle. Subban flips crosby and gets on top of him and he ref blows the whistle immediately. Two minutes apiece. NHL is the fucking WWF. Absolute disgrace

fotiu22


Thu Jun 8 2017 5:00 pm EST

So Friedmann and Garoich believe DUCHENE is all but traded at this point...and the two likely destinations? Ottawa or Montreal...in regard to the latter, the rumor is Doosh for GALCHENYUK...general tenor among Montreal fans is that he's going to get a long-ass contract like SUBBAN'S...Would gleefully give Galchenyuk a long-term contract. Doosh? Not so much.

tdchi


Thu Jun 8 2017 4:02 pm EST

To me Clendening is a guy that has all the tools, is still developing a little more perhaps, and is one of the better skaters on the backend of the current Rangers D. The issue I have is that he needs to play a game that he dissent make the same mistakes that he has made so many times in the past. He might bring offensive punch to a game, but he hands the opposition two great chances for every one he helps create. There are some subtle things, but for one he seems afraid to get up close to a guy he is defending and instead tries the low percentage play of swatting the puck out of the air, or reaching to get the puck...this isn't so bad out of the high percentage scoring areas, you can try that at times, but he does it in the high scoring areas. I can't imagine he has been told to keep that stuff up, so he is likely being told to stop it, but either doesn't care or get it....I do have hope that in time he will, and thats why I would love to if he was kept around...but they need to ensure they have better D ahead of him and force him to vastly improve before he gets regular ice time.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 8 2017 3:44 pm EST

So Gropp in junior finished the season with only 3 games out of the last 66 that he did not score a point....thats one hell of a finish to the year after not starting so great.

Wildcard


Thu Jun 8 2017 1:55 pm EST

A lot of the offensive minded D'men cant shove a stiff concrete pylon like KAMPFER out of the way, Tyson Barrie comes to mind...

mf


Thu Jun 8 2017 1:32 pm EST

mf - I was a big fan of CLENDENING when he was with the Hawks' organization and I saw flashes of that player last season...but if there was one thing painfully clear, it's that AV simply didn't see any reason to start him. Frankly, I would have given him a good 15-to-20 games going down the stretch...especially when the PP was just staggering through games...I think they were hoping he would make the next step and become a reliable puck mover last season...but the fact he got only 30 games...DESPITE the Rangers' clear and open failings on the right side? And couldn't even shove a stiff concrete pylon like KAMPFER out of the way? That says a lot to me. Namely that the page has turned on Clendening and they'll either not qualify him or move him as part of a contract-clearing deal. I'd be very surprised to see him back next year.

tdchi


Thu Jun 8 2017 1:26 pm EST

Wolfpack have signed UM-Duluth man-beast Brendan KOTYK to a contract. He's a 6'6 240-pound stay-at-home defender and the second Bulldog signed by the Rangers' organization this year. PIONK was the first. Kotyk is described as a crease-clearer. He started his NCAA career out at Division III, transferred to UM and sat out a season as prescribed by regulation...was given no promise of a spot on the team, but walked on as a red-shirted freshman. Was the team's assistant captain last season and turned some heads...but at 25, was the oldest player in the NCAA last season. Depth signing...the Hartford rebuild continues...

tdchi


Thu Jun 8 2017 1:01 pm EST

jnyr...Not at all...Would be happy to help...Nashville is actually a cool place....Didn't think so when I moved here but a lot has changed....Too old to fully enjoy it though.....

PJ


Thu Jun 8 2017 12:57 pm EST

TD: Both defensemen came into the league wearing an air of arrogance on their sleeve’s… A few season’s in the big league has a way of offering a slice of “Humble Pie” and correcting that… I just looked at each guys profile and they were born in June & July of 1990… I’d welcome both on the team, and I wouldn’t write off Clendenning at this point in time as he is only 24.5 years of age, a damn good skater (his skating reminds me a little of John Moore) and that ever elusive, “RHS.”

mf


Thu Jun 8 2017 10:45 am EST

RF4L re: DEL ZOTTO - I most certainly would give him a shot, even though I largely agree with everything E mentions. Here's why: Del Zotto is, quite simply put, an elite passer. I'll never forget watching him in one of his first pre-season games in Boston back when he wasn't expected to make the team...he was literally threading passes from the defensive zone to the opposition's blueline. And doing it effortlessly. Del Zotto has more than his share of issues...and to say he's been underwhelming both with Nashville, who cut and run, and now with Philly is an understatement. He's been Del Zero...but I also remember a time not too long ago when a guy named Justin SCHULTZ pretty much had the same exact reputation: I guy with an immense amount of skill who sucked as a defenseman and who was essentially a bust. Schultz burned through one less organization, but lo and behold, when he dug in, the guy put up 51 points...and now he's a mainstay on Shitsburgh's blueline...will this ever happen with MDZ? Don't know...but he's the type of guy I could see landing in the right place at the right time and taking off. No one has ever questioned Del Zotto's skill...or his tenacity. The kid is a wrecking ball...but a mature MDZ is a huge upgrade over someone like, say CLENDENING...and he's got a skill that no other blueliner I've seen on this team has. And I can't imagine that he's going to cost very much either. I highly doubt Philly is going to resign him...and if they do, it'll be for half the contract...if we're taking for granted that STAAL has played his last game as a Ranger and that SKJEI is the second pairing guy for the left, I think MDZ would be a superb guy to bring on as the third pairing/PP specialist. He brings something this team so sorely lacks.

tdchi


Thu Jun 8 2017 9:12 am EST

Who won the CUP :>) I was hoping it was already over.....guess I'll watch the Catfish Toss tonight.....somehow they got one into Shitsburg last time.

melvillefred


Thu Jun 8 2017 9:10 am EST

Can't believe the Balls on the Rangers Org. they send me an Instant Message telling to hurry up and buy my Rangers Jacket before there gone......LOL....too funny. My response was not kind.

melvillefred


Thu Jun 8 2017 8:25 am EST

E....isn't that every summer?

Rf4l


Wed Jun 7 2017 5:23 pm EST

The one thing that I think might be really difficult or great depending on which way you turn the cube is every team seems to be looking for defenseman. Maybe someone is willing to eat contract to take someone from us? But then again this could be one of those summers where a guy like Alzner, and Smith end up with a 5-million deal and Shattenkirk will get north of 7 for part of the contract. Lunacy.

E


Wed Jun 7 2017 2:12 pm EST

I have less then zero interest in MDZ. Great skater, serious ability, Can check you thru the boards. And then turn the puck over, and turn the puck over. And never score. And gets benched, and doesn't dress. Nevermind.

E


Wed Jun 7 2017 11:05 am EST

MDZ a pending UFA - anyone interested in bringing him back to NY?

rf4l


Wed Jun 7 2017 8:23 am EST

The Canes looking to trade some of their picks (one of which of course, belonged to the Rangers before that stupid E Staal trade). 10 picks, 6 of which are before 1/2 way thru the 3rd round: http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/hurricanes-gm-says-team-looking-trade-nhl-draft-picks/. I think I'd rather see Lindberg go there for say a 2nd and a 3rd vs going to the Showers for nothing.

Rf4L


Wed Jun 7 2017 6:43 am EST

Agreed some of these writers and their articles are just dumb. Proposing the Rangers trade 'a package of picks and prospects' for player x is just nonsense. They are scarce on picks and have like 1 grade a prospect. Geeesh...

Rf4l


Wed Jun 7 2017 2:47 am EST

PJ - Im going to Nashville in October, would you mind if I picked your brain about tourist ideas???

jnyr


Wed Jun 7 2017 12:12 am EST

This guy ""John Cavanagh"" Doesn’t seem to fact check? … FTR: Brady Skjei does NOT need to be protected for the expansion draft..............Obviously an ideal situation for the Rangers would be to trade Staal & or Girardi ASAP before the Expansion Draft. If they can’t pull off a trade of one or both, serious consideration to buying them out and immediately turning around and effectuating a trade for a targeted defenseman on a team which has 4 defenseman who would ordinarily be retained but the team doesn’t have the ability to protect all 4…… Anaheim, Minny, Winnipeg, are 3 teams which immediately come to mind…. Here’s a little food for thought: as part of a trade we can ask the other team to eat some salary of the player we are acquiring to help offset salary we carry as a result of buyouts….

mf


Tue Jun 6 2017 10:42 pm EST

NEW YORK RANGERSBargain bin forwards for New York Rangers to target.... https://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/ny-rangers/bargain-bin-forwards-new-york-rangers-target/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 6 2017 10:39 pm EST

New York Rangers: Time is now to buyout Dan Girardi and Marc Staal.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/05/new-york-rangers-buyout-marc-staal-dan-girardi/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 6 2017 10:36 pm EST

New York Rangers: Five potential replacements for Michael Grabner.... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/06/new-york-rangers-five-potential-replacements-michael-grabner/.... New York Rangers must be willing to trade within Metro Division..... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/06/new-york-rangers-trade-metropolitan-division/

Rhet0ric


Tue Jun 6 2017 10:04 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/06/new-york-rangers-pavel-buchnevich-rookie-season-report-card/

mf


Tue Jun 6 2017 5:44 pm EST

RDW - You are correct. Was the 2014-2015 defenseman of the year. The word on the street is that he's another one of these kids who is benefiting from the NHL phasing out larger, slower players. Kind of along the lines of Torey KRUG.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 5:23 pm EST

Rf4L: I believe he played to years in USHL and then went to college after that...though I could be wrong

RDW


Tue Jun 6 2017 4:42 pm EST

Pionk being only 21 is another plus - unlike most college ufas some room age-wise to develop. I have zero expectations of this kid being a Ranger next October but hopefully contrary to virtually every college ufa they signed the past 1^2 years he is actually a legitimate prospect (save for of course Hayes and Vesey but both are special cases for reasons we are all familiar with).

Rf4l


Tue Jun 6 2017 4:38 pm EST

Moved to the Nashville area in 2007...Have to say I never expected hockey would take over this town the way it has...Oh how I wish the Rangers could have made it to the finals...If the Preds win Thursday and head back to Nashville with a chance to clinch the lid is going to blow off this place...

PJ


Tue Jun 6 2017 4:28 pm EST

RF4L - Indeed he did...Which is even more of an indication that the Rangers feel he is either NHL-ready or close to NHL-ready. Granted, UM-Duluth isn't exactly Harvard or Yale...and there's a good chance PIONK figured it's best to strike while the iron is hot rather than finish his degree and risk a set back via injury or developmental stagnation...Of course, Vince PEDRIE, the UFA defenseman they signed out of Penn State was another undrafted D-man who bailed on college two years early to turn pro and who didn't look anywhere near ready when I saw him in April...With PIONK, however, you have a situation where upward of 20 teams were in the running to sign him...including --and most notably --the Vegas Knights. Why do I say this? Because if there was a blueline that would let this kid walk into the NHL, it'd be them...and if you're a 21-year-old kid, do you sign with a team where you're all but certain to start in the AHL or with a team that will pay you NHL bucks? All signs point to this kid being NHL-ready or close to it in the Rangers' eyes.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 3:57 pm EST

Sorry state of affairs if we have to rely upon Pinky Tuscadero to fill one of our RHS D pairs.... That said, I welcome the inclusion of a rook as long as he is surrounded by established strength... It's all relative though as one of those pillars of strength is a second year player in SKJEI so the house of cards can come down quickly in situations...

mf


Tue Jun 6 2017 3:24 pm EST

Did Pionk leave school early to sign? If so that is unusual because he's a ufa.

Rf4l


Tue Jun 6 2017 1:35 pm EST

I read somewhere that Pionk was real scrappy and played with an edge. If so, great? He was in demand apparently. A lot of teams were looking at him. We'll see...

E


Tue Jun 6 2017 1:25 pm EST

What I like about Pionk, from what I've read, is that he's got great skating ability, great shot from the point, knows how to qb a PP and plays bigger than he is. Probably a long shot but would be great if he ends up earning a spot in the lineup

RDW


Tue Jun 6 2017 12:51 pm EST

TD: but everything is about growth and development. Kampfer did some good things and blew some big plays. But he is one of those journeyman who might turn into a 5-7 defenseman yet in the NHL. Nothing guaranteed and he is on the clock to prove himself given that he is on his what 3rd year? But I've been surprised at some players development for years. A summer off and some guys are totally different when the season starts. I'm not making a prediction but I also wouldn't be surprised either. Same goes for Nieves. I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up to camp and makes a case. I really liked an awful lot about his skill set but he is a work in progress. What I don't like to do nowadays is write off a potential nhl player. I wrote Hayes off last season from the getgo and all he did was prove me wrong. And we've also seen that Lindberg can play both wing and center. Personally, after the worlds I think Lindberg is a guy that needs to play bigger minutes. He looked really good offensively as well as his typical 3-zone play.

E


Tue Jun 6 2017 12:21 pm EST

Here's hoping Pionk is the next Rafalski-undrafted RHD, undersized, with a big offensive game.

puckyou


Tue Jun 6 2017 11:38 am EST

TD...those contracts: Yeah maybe. Still dumn IMO for obvious reasons. I think however my take is accurate; Nob for life misread the cap projections. No surprise.

Rf4l


Tue Jun 6 2017 6:56 am EST

RF4L - In all three of those deals, I'd argue the Rangers opted to pay later...Many of us forget that all three players took lesser contracts earlier in their careers before being handed the big payday. So we get into the 'pay me now or pay me later' argument. We're going to have it again shortly with ZUCCARELLO...Just watch.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 6:55 am EST

mf - The Stars say they're open to moving the third-overall pick, not giving it away. You might be able to trade them SKJEI for it straight up...but there's simply ZERO way STAAL nets you more than a mid-round pick at this point...It's because of his contract and what he brought to the table...you could offer to eat $2 million of his contract...and the Rangers might need to inevitably to move him...but he's not getting you VILARDI...Like I said, you could do Skjei and our first and maybe get the third overall and NICHUSKIN...But unless you're moving McD or Skjei, I don't think you're going to see the Stars' third overall.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 6:49 am EST

Here's where GRAVES stands: He's no where near as good as SKJEI or McDONAGH, and he's not going to turn STAAL into a seventh defender. He's a good young player who will challenge for a spot if there's one open...but realistically speaking, the Rangers can't expect to correct the issues they have on D without trimming at least one of the five lefties they skated in the playoffs...more likely two...Graves had what I would call a year of stagnation last year. He didn't take the next step like many thought he would. Now whether that's because of the team around him or that he simply doesn't have another gear...that remains to be seen...re: PIONK - I haven't seen enough of him to say whether he's ready for the NHL or not...but unlike other NCAA out-of-college signings...take Vince PEDRIE for instance...the narrative in the press has been much different with Pionk...With Pedrie, the word was 'good signing...he'll help Hartford.' With Pionk, it's been excellent signing, he'll compete for a job on the Rangers...The fact that he was as coveted as he was suggests they likely promised him every opportunity to make the team.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 6:34 am EST

E - If KAMPFER is a part of anything other than the Wolfpack, this team has SERIOUS issues. The Rangers would be better off embedding a turnstile in front of Hank. I took the Rangers playing him for 10 games as confirmation that the team really was trying its hardest to not win any more games than the absolute bare necessity to keep the third place position in the Metro. Of the short list of Rangers I don't want back in any capacity, he tops the list.

tdchi


Tue Jun 6 2017 6:25 am EST

There are many reasons I'm a bandwagon Preds fan right now...nearly all of them I'm sure you guys could list without me saying them. But this...this is hilarious...https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBmpnkVUAAA_Pl1.jpg

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 11:06 pm EST

When with Win-a-pig Kane was told to wear a suit & tie when traveling to & from team games & practices and was being paid $5mill per year to play a game & he couldn't respect that!? Then in Buffalo he's not smart enough to be on the defensive when he's out "clubbing!? The kid is an arrogant moron, and he's a high risk personality..... Some of the best moves you can make are the ones you don't make.........

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:13 pm EST

Last stop is (S) Pionk........on the Montauk line of LIRR when u drink too much at Rangers game and miss your stop on way back home

tradestar28


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:06 pm EST

The King's contract is another stupid move by Nob for Life. I say that not upset that the King was resigned, but that term and amount is just so short-sighted, just like the Girardi and Staal deals. It's another example of that nob's lack of foresight - he was banking on the cap going up and up and up. Like so many other times since he came to NY, man was he wrong.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:57 pm EST

HellsKitchen.... I was reading your post and I was thinking "you know, that sounds kind of familiar"... I do remember that there was a lot of concern at the time that Hank's deal would have been a CRP deal, until we found out that it wasn't. I think the parameters were something to the effect of that the last year had to be more than 50% of the first year of the deal or some such nonsense.... I also found this.... "Hank’s contract does not qualify for the cap recapture penalty. The penalty was in place to penalize back-diving contracts, like that of Brad Richards, in case the player retired before the contract expired. The clause, known as the Roberto Luongo Rule, is in place to penalize teams in ownership of contracts that receive a cap advantage (Brad Richards). Hank’s contract doesn’t back-dive enough to qualify, plus it’s hard to argue that the Rangers received a cap benefit by making Hank the highest paid goalie in the league by 20%." .... http://blueseatblogs.com/2013/12/05/risks-and-benefits-of-the-henrik-lundqvist-contract/

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:51 pm EST

Blocks a shot, acts like he was shot then back out again. What a nob.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:46 pm EST

Subban is very dramatic.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:31 pm EST

Man, Dumalin or whatever his name is sure coughs up the puck a lot.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:28 pm EST

RF4l: I hear you on Kane and his being exiled from WIN and soon to be Buffalo, however I don't think those were ideal locations for him. Does that mean wasn't an ass when he was there? No. But that Jets team seemed to be a pretty toxic environment for a kid who already had problems. Don't think Big Buff was the best guy to be setting an example or calling him out either. My only point is, if they aren't asking too much and it works for us maybe he'll be better coming into our clubhouse, which seems pretty tight, and maybe he'll put it all together. Wishful thinking on my part I know...

RDW


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:13 pm EST

Ha...and then 2nd period intermission shows a bunch of Crosby's nice plays tonight, including a very nice goal. LOL..

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:08 pm EST

Watching the 2nd half of the 2nd period - first time since partway thru game 2. Geesh, the Predators want it, don't they? Pittsburgh kinda hanging on and looking a bit tired. Only 10 minutes but didn't notice Crosby at all - is he hurt? LOL. How funny if the Predators win - 16th seed. What a league, eh? Maybe better than the disaster the NBA PO year has been so far...

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 8:10 pm EST

the video is a bit clearer with this youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwcAhiB6FC8

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 7:59 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXOdAdIFtkA

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:20 pm EST

I will readily admit my thoughts on Pionk (what a name!) are without any knowledge of the player from a viewing perspective - hell until he was signed I'd never heard of him. But when do never drafted collegiate players go straight to the NHL and on a team with at least deep PO run aspirations? I will be more than happy if he ends up being a Ranger one day but this fall? That's really quite a stretch.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:17 pm EST

TD: Yeah, stay away from Kane. And I agree with your assessment of mf's Honka proposal with Dallas. mf: Methinks you're over-rating the Ranger players going the other way. IMO, such a trade should get the Dallas GM fired.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:16 pm EST

I got the impression that Pionk is going to be part of the program in some manner next season. So??? Who knows??? And I also think Kampfer might be making a case. And I don't know where Graves is at this point. I think Holden will likely be there next season. Other than that? I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen but calm before the storm. It's gonna be real fun thru the UFA signings.

E


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:15 pm EST

Hell: It doesn't. The Rangers only had one such contract - Brad Richards.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:08 pm EST

I'm pretty sure Hank's contract has recapture potential. It is not as severe as the Weber, Parise and Suter contracts that the rule was targeted at. These contract extend beyond the typical player's retirement age and have several years of $1 million salary at the end. I did find this quote in a recapture rule article: "A more realistic scenario is 38-year old Henrik Lundqvist hanging up his skates and sticking the Rangers with a CRP of $3.0m for a year."

HellsKitchen


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:07 pm EST

LA is a fine city for Kane to find trouble & trouble to find him... VIC, can this be one of next years CJC questions? :-)

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 6:02 pm EST

TD: With some combo of Girardi / Klein / Smith / Shattenkirk / Clendenning / PIONK and ZBOROVSKIY to fill the 3 RHS-D slots....... I really don’t place much value in the difference between HONKA and what we have in the pipeline nor do I want to debate his projected skills or upside….. I am interested in drafting GABRIEL VILARDI and we need Dallas’s 3rd overall pick to do so….........Will Staal (& eat some of his salary) & our 21st get us their 3rd? If not, revisit & reform the package & retry...... Unloading Staal would be a coup for us, trading him to Dallas is actually a raise because 41 of his home games now have zero state & city income tax.....

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:37 pm EST

RF4L - Don't get me wrong. I'm no fan of KANE. But he was a wall darling for years. Many here wanted us to go after him. Sounds like, however, he's off to LA.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:36 pm EST

mf - You'd be lucky to get HONKA for that collection of trash, IMO.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:27 pm EST

PAL17: That would be our King of Cryto-quotes, the one, the only, "KinkyBoots!" ....... He's sure to be out of the shadows shortly.... ha ha ha ha ha

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:24 pm EST

I'm not sure who came up with the nickname Captain Parminter but it is hysterical!!!

Pal17


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:22 pm EST

tdchi: how about dealing McDONAGH instead of SKEJ ? Whoever wants our Captain has to take STAAL also!

Pal17


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:16 pm EST

Well, that bit of sh-t news made the Dallas Deal that much easier: Lindberg / Staal (we offer to eat $1.7mill on each of his 4 remaining years / & our 21st for Honk & their 3rd overall pick, and we choose GABE VILARDI...... This removes 2 out of 10 forwards which we currently need to protect for the expansion draft

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:15 pm EST

And why anyone would entertain acquiring Evander Kane is beyond me (with all due respect of course). He wore his welcome out in one city and now is about to be jettisoned from another. I get the allure of his skillset but that dude's a headcase.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:13 pm EST

PIONK and ZBOROVSKIY and GRAVES. My prediction: Half of the Pack defense next year, unless one really struggles and ends up in Greensville.

rF4L


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:12 pm EST

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-jesper-fast-undergoes-hip-surgery-5-months-article-1.3223492

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:05 pm EST

Think FAST'S injury all but assures the LV pick, if all stays as is, will be 1. LINDBERG; and if not, 2. RAANTA.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:05 pm EST

The following year or year after that perhaps at least one of PIONK and ZBOROVSKIY develop into an NHL caliber D’man, Honka too, we’d have Shattenkirk, and we’d have Smith able to play either side… Heck, we may even have Klein as a 7th RHS-Dman

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:01 pm EST

TDCHI: no no no no no no, No! Here’s the deal from the CJA Seat’s: It is acceptable to include SKJEI in a trade for an “Ever Elusive Prototypical Center” we Wallster’s crave, he is not a consideration for a trade to bolster the RHS of the defense at the expense of parting ways with SKJEI……. Staal yes, Holden yes, Graves who I know nothing about except for what we read here, yes………………….. “IF” resigning Smith is a given, we plugged one spot of the RHS-D…… Signing Shattenkirk plugs a 2nd RHS-D spot………. Next: According to this NYPost article, Kevin Klein & his wonky back was a healthy scratch for game 1 of the Montreal series, and I’m going to take AV’s word on it…. (http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/rangers-veteran-defenseman-scratched-for-game-1/) …… Even if Klein was Not ready he has had the entire playoffs and now offseason to heal and strengthen his back……. At this time I disagree with a fellow Wallster in that, “I don’t think that “Klein is Toast!” ………… So, we trade one or both of Girardi & Staal and buyout one or both of Girardi & Staal and we keep Klein, resign Clendenning, and let PIONK and ZBOROVSKIY battle it out for some game-time………. In two years or less the LHS-D (g-d willing) will be McD / Skjei / Day with Skjei challenging McDonagh for 1st pair minutes……………. If we’re going to trade with Dallas; we can offer some combination of Staal, Holden, Lindberg, Fast, our 21st ……… For Honka, their 3rd overall and whatever depending on how deep the trade develops……………. That’s 1 for the CJA’s :->)

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 4:28 pm EST

Rhet: Are you assuming that Hank is "reassigned" as a woman? How narrow minded..... :-)

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 4:08 pm EST

Doubtful lv will pick Casper the friendly with that injury return date .

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 5 2017 4:08 pm EST

I'd take a flyer on Evander Kane if the price was right. He had a bad rib injury early on last year but once he was healthy he was one of the top goal scorers in the NHL

RDW


Mon Jun 5 2017 4:07 pm EST

OLA.... He'd be the most winning female goalie of all time, but not quite as pretty as Manon Rhéaume :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jun 5 2017 4:06 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/off-season-game-plan-new-york-rangers-1.770575

Stevielegs


Mon Jun 5 2017 3:46 pm EST

Fast out until November. http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/jesper-fast-out-until-november-after-undergoing-hip-surgery-1.13709666?utm_content=buffer4695b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

puckyou


Mon Jun 5 2017 3:23 pm EST

Here's some food for thought/discussion: The Rangers most marketable asset at this point could be Brady SKJEI. I know I suggested this last year when TROUBA was on the market...that maybe the Rangers consider sending him in a package for Trouba. Well, Skjei's stock has since sky-rocketed. He is, without a doubt, the Rangers' second-best defenseman...Now it's pretty clear either STAAL or GIRARDI or both are going to be gone before next season...It's also abundantly clear the Rangers must upgrade on the right side...There are two RHS defenseman in the system who could be on the short road to New York: PIONK and ZBOROVSKIY. The latter will likely take some time in Hartford before challenging for a spot. But Pionk, by many accounts, is ready for the races...on the left, they have GRAVES, who had an off-year in the AHL, but could very well challenge for a roster spot...and BEREGLAZOV, who reportedly expected to challenge for a spot. NTM, there's a pretty strong likelihood that either/or both SMITH or HOLDEN...both lefties...will be back next season...and to add to this, there's also a very small chance someone like Sean DAY could be challenging for a roster spot...So given all of this...and given that teams like Winnipeg and Dallas are BOTH looking for a LHS defenseman...do you test the market for SKJEI? What if he could fetch you...say HONKA and NICHUSKIN? Or the third-overall? Just a hypothetical really...I don't see the Rangers having any appetite to trade him.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 12:00 pm EST

Exciting indeed, Saturday we had "speaking of boobs & big whoppers, and today "reassignments!" woohoo, can't wait for tomorrow's episode. :-) In The Meantime: This guy writes that Dallas may be looking for A top six winger, A Left Handed Defenseman, and a Penalty Kill specialist....... We have all of the above depending on their demands....... Waiting to see how the trading does or does not develop leading into the Expansion Draft, verrry in-ta-res-ting... http://www.defendingbigd.com/2017/6/5/15738674/dallas-stars-free-agency-targets-trade-targets-roster-holes

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 11:40 am EST

Wild: this might be the most fun offseason in a long while. A lot of for sale signs will be in front yards by august.

E


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:47 am EST

So more and more I am reading that people think what Vegan drafts in expansion may be a lot of guys that are more tradable rather than the guys that will build their team, that way they can flip guys later for better players. Should make for a fun summer.

Wildcard


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:41 am EST

Pass on Evander Kane,too many distractions in this city for him to stay focused on the game...

mf


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:39 am EST

Ola - There's a clause in the CBA that explicitly states any team with a transgendered player must wear rainbow colored jerseys for a season with Caitlyn Jenner's face as their logo.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 10:37 am EST

Whelp, it's that time of year again: Evander KANE is back on the market. Can't say I've ever been too impressed with the kid and he comes with more than his share of baggage, namely his $5 million-plus contract and an overall rep for being a douche. No idea what Botterill would want for him...probably a young roster player and a pick...but he would certainly fill this team's need for a physical winger...though I think there are probably far cheaper options out there.

tdchi


Mon Jun 5 2017 9:49 am EST

Rhet- What happens if Hank has a sex reassignment surgery?

Ola


Mon Jun 5 2017 5:42 am EST

Actually, if Hank retires, his contract becomes void and his cap hit comes off the books. He did not sign an over 35 deal and he doesn't have a cap recapture deal either.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 11:58 pm EST

Better hope Hank doesn't retire before the contract runs out. That is one ugly cap hit to carry. It would have to be LTIR to get him off the cap.

HellsKitchen


Sun Jun 4 2017 10:05 pm EST

Rhet: Agreed and why I think the KHL thing is 2 more years. I strongly believe he's got zero interest in riding the AHL buses. Let's hope if that's true, he's as good as he thinks he is and appears to be. If so, fabulous for the Rangers. If not, plan B had better be available. I'm also wondering if the King will simply retire if/when he cannot play well enough to be the king. Then again, walking away from all that dough won't be easy. He pulls in $7,500,000 and $5,500,000 his last 2 years. Maybe a long term injury will conveniently crop up in a year or 2....

rF4L


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:46 pm EST

RF4L... Hank has 4 seasons left on his deal. Shesterkin has two seasons left on his deal. That gives him maybe one season to split play with Hank while learning and one to take over for Hank(if ready). If Hank is still playing at a high level at the end of four seasons, it will be a small miracle. We're talking about a 39 year old goalie who has no stick and his catching glove is slowing down. Shersterkin needs to be here for the future of the team.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:33 pm EST

As I've mentioned on here previously, I think Shesterkin is the real deal. I also think he and his agent know that too and look at the King and his contract and realize it's likely the AHL for now so why not stay in Russia?

rF4L


Sun Jun 4 2017 7:27 pm EST

Thanks RHET. The sooner he gets over here-the better.

Bob


Sun Jun 4 2017 6:33 pm EST

Sorry, I meant that he has 2 more KHL seasons left and then he will be here.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 6:30 pm EST

BOB.... JMO, but I think Shesterkin is here in 3 seasons when his KHL deal expires. We'd be stupid not to get him here after that's done. I also would not be surprised to see him pull a Murray on Hank. Start out as the backup and all that.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 6:24 pm EST

E... I never said they'd both be off the books, but we certainly can get rid of both defensemen. It depends on how much we're willing to give up to get rid of both of them.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 6:23 pm EST

Dennis Bernstein‏ @DennisTFP ..... "Multiple teams interested in Kane. They all wrong? No one doing due diligence? Probably not".... Also in the category of DUH.... New York Rangers: Igor Shestyorkin Could be on Track to Take Over for Lundqvist.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/04/new-york-rangers-igor-shestyorkin-track-take-lundqvist/

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 5:03 pm EST

Of course, the problem is that the cupboard in Hartford is bare. No help coming from there. Now perhaps this defenseman from college they signed could work his way in.....but not to a top 4 spot. They almost MUST re-sign Smith because there is nobody else. If AV could be trusted to play whoever remains between Staal/Girardi on the 3rd pair......but he could not even bring himself to REST them during a season with idiotic scheduling of 3 games in 4 nights. But I have to tell you........I think this roster is flawed and needs to be changed up. If not, kiss Henrik and the cup goodbye until Shestyorkin takes over in 5 years.

Bob


Sun Jun 4 2017 2:09 pm EST

And yes if MacKinnon is available pursue him vigorously. Yep even include Skjei in the deal if he's their target.

Rf4l


Sun Jun 4 2017 2:01 pm EST

I don't know if you can get G and Staal off the books but one won't be back. My guess is Staal stays.

E


Sun Jun 4 2017 1:06 pm EST

If we only get rid of Staal and Girardi, we'll be that much better of a team.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 12:57 pm EST

I think Bob is right. But there is going to be change. At least as much as there was last year.

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 12:34 pm EST

Bob....if you're right then next year will be a duplicate and the 2 years. My prediction.

Rf4l


Sun Jun 4 2017 12:33 pm EST

I have a lot more interest in Seravelli's list, which I think is very accurate as to the players who will be available...someone mentioned JENNER...think he'd be just what fans would want. Know he's been playing wing in Columbus, but he'd be a great replacement for someone like HAYES if we end up moving him or promoting him to second-line center in the unlikely even STEP is traded...DUMBA we've already talked about. Don't think anyone disagrees with him being a player this team could really use...I like VATANEN, but as a first-pairing guy? Not sure if he brings what the Rangers need...and with him, what you see is what you get...Don't think the Isles would be willing to send us Ryan PULOCK...but he's a kid who could have a very nice upside...Always been a HUGE fan of Joel ARMIA. Rangers don't really need help on wing, but he's the type of player they could really use. In Winnipeg, he's been relegated to third and fourth line, which is where he'd end up in New York...Nathan McKINNON...man, if he's available...Avalanche would be crazy to trade him...but he's one player where I'd probably give them the sun and the moon to get.

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 11:34 am EST

Lost in all the Kovalchuk trade nonsense is the fact that he can wait one more season and then become an UFA. The Devils should not get too greedy or they will miss out on getting any asset.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 11:24 am EST

I called it. I knew Brooks was going to make the Kovalchuk to the New York Rangers argument. So predictable. And no he shouldn't be in a New York Rangers jersey at all. When he was shopped by ATL? I was at the front of the bus for that. The guy now is not that. He's long in the tooth and again, I'd move a Center to improve the defense but the offense? Not a concern. This team can score. And maybe one of the deepest scoring groups in the NHL. And with enough blue line support I think those numbers can go much higher as they become more dangerous on the PP.

E


Sun Jun 4 2017 10:58 am EST

Forget Kovalchuck. Brooksie going for reactions and stirring the pot. It's what he does. I suspect that the Rangers will change a lot less than any of us would like them to this offseason. Lots of talk, not a lot of changes.

Bob


Sun Jun 4 2017 10:29 am EST

RF4L - Generally agree on KOVALCHOKE. I simply cannot see how the guy improves the Rangers. He'd be a marginal upgrade on NASH I guess...and maybe he'd improve the PP...but I don't think the forwards are the problem with the PP or the team itself...it's that they have no one who is good at moving the puck from the back end. The Rangers' PP is actually pretty good once it gets set up...but therein lies the problem: Getting it set up. On your average PP, the Rangers spend at least a third of their time trying to enter the zone...and the only method I've seen where they can effectively do it is when the glide into the neutral zone, let a defenseman like SKJEI or McDONAGH get a full head of steam from the backline and then dish the puck back to him...it's a sign of how bad they are at passing from the back...Kovalchuk would be great to have at the point...but I suspect he would only marginally improve what is broken...And if that is Gorton's thinking...to keep improving the forwards while letting the defense struggle along...well, then he's no where near the GM I thought he was.

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 10:22 am EST

Gotta say, Brooks is perhaps my least favorite of the beats. Simply put, he's just an asshole. Like this is classic: 'What could Nashville coach Peter Laviolette possibly have gained by creating a two-day shroud of mystery surrounding the identity of the Predators’ starting goaltender for Saturday’s Game 3 against the Penguins? What good could it have done estimable franchise netminder Pekka Rinne for Laviolette to state “Next question” when asked following the morning skate who would be in nets hours later?' Well, if I'm Laviolette and a reporter asks me a question as stupid as that, why would I justify it by providing an answer? Of course RINNE is the starter. What did Laviolette gain? Well nothing. But he at least didn't waste his breath on a stupid question.

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:59 am EST

I concur that Lindberg is the most likely candidate to be selected by the Showers. That said, it's possible Grabner would get selected and then flipped elsewhere. He's coming off a strong season and has a cap friendly contract.

rF4L


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:54 am EST

Here's something to keep in mind about George McPHEE: He is the consummate WIN-NOW GM. This is not a guy who has much if any interest in amassing picks or talent that needs to develop. He's a guy who is looking to hit the ground running as a competitive team. He's also a guy who is not afraid to trade away premium talent for veterans. I think his primary interest is going to be icing a team that can make the playoffs next season and that building assets and picks will be something he addresses further down the road. In other words, I see him actually moving picks for players that can help his team and not vice versa(i.e. being coaxed into taking a bad contract that is packaged with picks/prospects). And TBH, I think if a team offered him a combination of NHL players or a marquis player, he'd be more than receptive to trading LV's top pick in this year's draft...I also think people are in dreamland when they think he's going to take a marginal player(i.e. KLEIN) packaged with picks and prospects rather than taking a guy he sees as part of the team's future(i.e. LINDBERG)...My personal belief is that he won't have as much interest in RAANTA as he will a player like Lindberg or FAST...and even less interest in someone like GRABNER. But we shall see...

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:25 am EST

IMO, LB is an asstard for proposing trading for Kovalchoke.

rF4L


Sun Jun 4 2017 9:24 am EST

Please, please, please no Kovalchoke. No!!!

rF4L


Sun Jun 4 2017 8:52 am EST

I've definitely felt safer in London than many parts of LA and even my beloved NYC.

E


Sun Jun 4 2017 8:26 am EST

RF4L - It's a personal favorite term of endearment I pull out for special occasions ;) I just don't understand some fans' opinions. Everyone is entitled to them of course. But it kind of rankles me when you have a fan site with a poorly advised and/or researched opinion that also states it as fact. I mean, Chad Johnson?! Sign Jagr?!?...re: KUEMPER - Certainly they could do worse. But I think if BERNIER goes off the table and he's our only option, that right there is a strong case for keeping RAANTA.

tdchi


Sun Jun 4 2017 8:06 am EST

Could Devils get best return from Rangers for major trade piece? .....http://nypost.com/2017/06/04/could-devils-get-best-return-from-rangers-for-major-trade-piece/ ..... "Slap Shots has learned several clubs have inquired about the availability of Rangers goalie Antti Raanta, who will be vulnerable to claim by Vegas. But moving Raanta, who is one year away from free agency, would guarantee that the Rangers would lose someone else — likely Lindberg, Jesper Fast or Michael Grabner — in the expansion draft. So Gorton would have to get value in return for the 28-year-old Finn that would compensate for the loss of the goaltender and the player who would go to the Golden Knights. If Raanta is not selected by Vegas, the dynamic changes."

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 7:45 am EST

Larry Brooks reports that the Rangers have not yet asked either Dan Girardi or Marc Staal to waive their no-move clauses prior to the Expansion Draft. (NY Post).... If either player were to waive their no-move clause then the Rangers could expose them to Vegas while protecting another player. (NY Post) Brooks also writes that the Rangers have not told either player to expect a buyout, at least not yet. (NY Post).... He does say that the possibility for a buyout or a request to waive their no-move clauses have not been ruled out because "there essentially is no chance both will remain on the roster when training camp commences." (NY Post) Staal has four-years left at $5.7 million and a buyout would ultimately cost the Rangers cap space of $2.1 million in 17-18 & 18-19, $3.1 million in 19-20, $3.9 million in 20-21 and $1.4 million from 2021 to 2025. (Cap Friendly).... Girardi has three-years left on his deal at $5.5 million, a modified no-trade clause and a no-move clause and a buyout would ultimately cost the Rangers cap space of $2.6 million next year, $3.6 million in 18-19 and 19-20 and then $1.1 million from 2020 to 2023. (Cap Friendly)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jun 4 2017 4:44 am EST

Bob- I was right in the middle of the attack in Stockholm, the truck crashed into a store just one mini bloc away from my firms office in Stockholm. It was a bit shocking, but at the same time Europe is huge and somewhere it's just small small needle sticks by crazy people. If one person is killed once a week on average in all of Europe, it don't even like total the murder rate in a small city. Trump coined the phrase losers, good description!

Ola


Sat Jun 3 2017 11:36 pm EST

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout_calculator/marc-staal#results

Pal17


Sat Jun 3 2017 11:32 pm EST

I would rather see Staal stay then pay him for the next century not to play. But that's just me.

Pal17


Sat Jun 3 2017 11:09 pm EST

Bob, stay safe

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 7:29 pm EST

London has a way of suddenly make an insane amount of security appear. I wouldn't worry about London after this.

E


Sat Jun 3 2017 7:03 pm EST

Going to Europe for 10 days business this week. Suffice it to say that the thrill is gone.

Bob


Sat Jun 3 2017 6:03 pm EST

Non-Hockey post.... The Associated Press‏Verified account @AP ..... BREAKING: London police say they are now responding to a third incident in the Vauxhall area.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 6:00 pm EST

Non-Hockey post..... BBC Breaking News‏Verified account @BBCBreaking .... More than one dead at London Bridge, police say, amid reports of stabbings in Borough and incident in Vauxhall http://bbc.in/2qMbCc4

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 5:55 pm EST

Golden Knights ready to make trades, but not for Alex Ovechkin ....Vegas GM could make first move 'Monday or Tuesday,' unlikely to pursue Capitals forward or Ilya Kovalchuk.... https://www.nhl.com/news/golden-knights-george-mcphee-closes-in-on-first-trade/c-289758724

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 5:02 pm EST

Hank sprained MCL?

fotiu22


Sat Jun 3 2017 4:10 pm EST

MF... We don't need to buyout out Staal to create another protection slot. There is not other NYR defenseman worth protecting (unless we make a trade of curse). Klein is toast and LV wont be choosing him or Holden unless we bribe them horrendously. So why should we go through all the trouble of buying out Staal in the first place? I am purely talking about in the context of the Expansion Draft, because we can always buy him out later.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 3:55 pm EST

IMO Staal is also getting bought out because of the amount of cap space he uses, and to free up a protective slot on the defense... "IF" we buyout Staal there are plenty of clubs that will kick the tires wti M.Staal..... We'd then protect McDonagh, Girardi (NTC), & one of Klein or Holden..... For the record, I have no problem trading Holden, resigning SMITH for the Left Side defense, retain both Girardi and Klein as 6th & 7th defensemen to cover the 3rd pair RHS, acquire a RHS Dman for the 2nd pair RHS, and sign Shattenkirk for the 1st pair RHS............ Currently, "The Traderator" is hovering over Dallas is search of a NYR Blockbuster with The Stars........ HAYES / HOLDEN / OUR 21ST for Honka & their 3rd....... season to taste, in other words, tweak the mutha to make it work..... :->)

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 3:26 pm EST

MF... I think you are confusing regular buyout's with the Compliance Buyouts. Many players bought out with Compliance Buyouts still had some good hockey years left in them but got bought out due to cap recapture penalties should they not finish out the remainder of their deals. Heck, Brad Richards only got 1 year deals after being bought out. In Staal's case, he would be getting bought out mostly because he is in decline. Add to that his damaged eye (among other issues) and I just don't see a multi-year deal coming his way.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 2:44 pm EST

Sabres don't sign Estephan by deadline, relinquish rights.... http://buffalonews.com/2017/06/01/sabres-dont-sign-estephan-deadline-relinquish-rights/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 2:43 pm EST

I'm still waiting to hear what injury Kreider had. It better have been an injury, or else his no-show for this year's playoffs is inexcusable and concerning.

LeoS


Sat Jun 3 2017 2:37 pm EST

Rhet: I'm not convinced that Marc Staal cannot make substantially more money by refusing to waive his NMC and forcing a buyout.... With the Expansion Draft I think it will be difficult to trade him, he’s going to eat up a protective slot on any team that acquires him……….. If he refuses to waive, I think that teams would offer M.Staal a 4 year $3.8 mill contract which is exactly 2/3rds of the remainder of his contract.. I chose these numbers because if he's bought out I believe he earns 2/3rds of his contract & if he can sign the deal I just proposed he earns an additional $1.9mill for each of 4 years, a total of $7.6mill over and above his current contract..... $7.6 mill is enough for most folks to retire on..... IMO, all the guy has to do is train & heal this off-season & someone will sign him, Conclusion: we wind up buying out Staal BEFORE the Expansion Draft........ That brings us to Girardi: he gets protected during the Expansion Draft because we Must protect him, then we trade him for whatever which may include eating some of his salary, so be it, “”OR”” we go with Girardi next season as our 3rd line RHS Dman and hope that we have an adequate 7th D’man such that we can rest Girardi ............... Next: Whether we keep Girardi or not, what Does Kevin Klein have left in the tank and what were the nature of last season’s injuries? Seems to me that Klein "should" have plenty of hockey left in the tank, how much is the question????....... Can we risk going with Klein a full season as 3rd Pair RHS D'man, or 2nd pair if we retain Girardi? “"IF”" we retain Klein, we don't need to trade for a RHS D'man, If we cannot retain him, we probably must trade for a RHS D'man..... Either way, SHATTENKIRK should be a Ranger for the 2017/2018 season, he costs nothing but money...... Next: we have 10 forwards needing protecting for the Expansion Draft, and we certainly have an issue at center………… Does Dallas need or want Kevin Hayes???? I want their #3 pick and I want us to choose GABRIEL VILARDI……

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 2:22 pm EST

Report: Rick Nash hurt his knee in the Montreal series.... 2:58PM: Elliotte Friedman reports that Rick Nash reportedly suffered a knee injury in the Rangers Game 6 win over Montreal. Nash reportedly wanted to keep things quiet even after the season ended because he didn't want to use the injury as an excuse. He was a minus one in Game 6 but had 3 shots on goal, 2 shot attempts blocked, 1 shot that missed the net, 1 hit and 1 giveaway. He played 5:11 in the first, 4:56 in the second and 6:59 in the third. In the Montreal series, Nash had 2 goals, 1 assist, a minus one rating, 23 shots on goal and an average of 17:51. In the Ottawa series, Nash had 1 goal, 1 assist, a plus 2 rating, 21 shots on goal and an average of 18:59 per game. Nash did not practice at times during the Ottawa series but did not miss a game.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 1:19 pm EST

A WINDOW INTO JEFF GORTON’S MIND.... http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/06/03/window-jeff-gortons-mind/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 1:17 pm EST

MF... I thinking more along the lines of Staal or Girardi. If we have to give up a pick, it better be Staal. After all, they will need to hit the cap floor. In regard to the rest of your post, I totally agree.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 1:10 pm EST

Rhet: I imagine that Rick Nash could fit into that category....... Got to wait for this SCF Series to play out first..... On one hand I'd like to see Nashville win, on the other, who gives a sh_t? certainly not me, let the Penguins sweep so we can get to the horse-trading....

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:49 pm EST

Mark Scheig‏ @THWMark .... McPhee was very candid at his presser. He admitted he's taking on a few big contracts. Might start hearing of deals Monday or Tuesday.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:47 pm EST

Former Islanders great Mike Bossy proposed a blockbuster trade involving forward John Tavares..... Former New York Islanders forward Mike Bossy has proposed the team make a massive trade that would put an end to the John Tavares drama. The franchise center has been the subject of multiple trade rumors and his future with the team remains uncertain. Bossy, who is regarded by most as the greatest player in franchise history, has come up with a trade that would send the Ontario native to Montreal for a handful of talent. During a discussion with Jean-Charles on the air with 91.9 Sports, Bossy suggested the Isles send Tavares to the Canadiens for forward Alex Galchenyuk, defenceman Mikhail Sergachev, goaltender Charlie Lindgren and this year’s first round pick.... Both Galchenyuk and Sergachev are former first-round picks, while Lindgren had a solid 2016-2017 campaign with the St. John’s Ice Caps. Clearly Bossy sees Tavares as a blue chip to create a more balanced Islanders team. The last trade of this magnitude came when the Nashville Predators and Montreal Canadiens swapped defencemen Shea Weber and P.K. Subban, and even that would seem miniscule to this. Considering the latter is in need of a number-one center and has demonstrated a willingness to strike a huge deal before, is a trade like this completely out of the question? Time will tell when Tavares is finally ready to call a place his long-term home. In the meantime sit back, relax, and enjoy the Stanley Cup Final. The offseason is just around the corner.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:44 pm EST

MF.... We could never be lucky enough to get out of his contract.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:37 pm EST

....On the Vegas Golden Knights … Pierre LeBrun: There is lots of stuff going on around the Golden Knights. Hearing that they could get a first round pick from a team to take on a bad contract. It will be a fun few weeks leading up to the draft (Rhet: NYR? maybe?) On the Chicago Blackhawks … Scott Cullen: (Going of yesterday’s report from Frank Seravalli that Trevor van Riemsdyk and Marcus Kruger could end up in Vegas) If the price to acquire defenseman van Riemsdyk is taking on Kruger’s contract, other teams that might make that trade – Buffalo Sabres, Carolina Hurricanes, Detroit Red Wings, New Jersey Devils, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs. ....On the Pittsburgh Penguins … Jimmy Murphy: Lots of talk from sources that the Penguins could make a deal with Vegas involving Marc-Andre Fleury that is similar to what the Blackhawks-Golden Knights could be discussing. ....On the Ottawa Senators … Bruce Garrioch: Senators GM Pierre Dorion said he’s not sure about asking Dion Phaneuf to waive his no-movement clause for the expansion draft and that he’s not sure about leaving forward Bobby Ryan exposed either. ....On the Philadelphia Flyers … Sam Carchidi: Flyers GM Ron Hextall has spoken with the agents for free agent forward Jordan Weal and defenseman Shayne Gostisbehere but neither is ready to sign just yet. Pierre LeBrun: Weal’s agent JP Barry met with Flyers GM Hextall yesterday. Weal will be a Group 6 UFA on July 1st. .....On the Anaheim Ducks … The Fourth Period: The Anaheim Ducks have some big decisions to make with regards to their defensemen and the expansion draft. They could ask Kevin Bieksa to waive his no-movement clause. They could also look at trading Sami Vatanen and protect Cam Fowler, Hampus Lindholm and Josh Manson. Teams that have shown interested in Vatanen in the past include the Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Colorado Avalanche and Tampa Bay Lightning.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:27 pm EST

Does it really matter how he got injured as long as he can be placed on LTIR for 4 years? ... OAN, it could be the Danish Blue Cheese...

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:24 pm EST

and as far as the Rangers are concerned: they "reacted" to the game that Montreal forced upon them, they beat Montreal playing their AND that brand of hockey, the Rangers shortfall, they don't or couldn't in this case "initiate" that brand of hockey, it had to be forced upon them.... Along comes Ottawa, and the Rangers don't bring the game that beat Montreal to the ice, not as plan A nor as plan B.... when the Rangers won, the did so handsomely, when they struggled, they didn't impose their will on Ottawa.... Conclusion, "this sucks!" Not a Ranger Jersey to be seen the last two rounds......

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:22 pm EST

tlats.... I call BS. The injury clearly happened on the celebration, they're just trying to cover up for it. Otherwise, if they knew he was injured, why the hell would William Nylander jump all over him the way he did? Also, Hank said he was uninjured after the "celebration." To me, something smells in the state of Denmark.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:17 pm EST

Tlats: does this mean he goes on the LTIR for the next 4 years?

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:17 pm EST

RF: for the Record on GUDBRANSON: I have not seen this guy play in a long time like since he was with the Panthers. I am concerned about the long lasting damage and affect his injuries may have taken (busted orbital bone, the busted right thumb, and most recently the operation to repair a ligament in the right wrist) on his ability to regain his promise & keep improving..... I'm interested in knowing if this one time 3rd overall pick, big bodied RHS can 1) can regain his form 2) be had on the cheap 3) become at least a pillar of strength for our 3rd pair RHS ……… If the NYR scouts (that includes The Wallsters naturally) don’t think he can fit the bill, who’s the next RHS candidate to place under the microscope?

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:12 pm EST

https://www.google.com/amp/www.blueshirtbanter.com/platform/amp/2017/6/3/15734470/henrik-lundqvist-new-york-rangers-sweden-suffered-knee-injury-at-2017-worlds-championship-gold-medal

tlats


Sat Jun 3 2017 12:03 pm EST

And today's "bait & switch award" goes to TDCHI for this beauty of a post, “Wow...talk about boobs,” (got my attention) then he flips genders with, “This guy takes the cake, Here's another whopper” (one for the gals I guess) "Lee Stempniak is basically already a Golden Knight." Or is that “Night?”

mf


Sat Jun 3 2017 11:11 am EST

There are some other guys on that list that wouldn't cost a ton but helps the New York Rangers. Sustr, Dillon, Killorn, Barrie, and Jenner jump off the page to me right away. You've got some hockey players that I think fit the need and structure well. But I also go back again and state that the New York Rangers need Smith back. 3-4 would be good value for him if they could wrap it up before the madness begins.

E


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:34 am EST

Interesting that 2 Wild young d-men are on that list: Brodin and Dumba. I guess the feeling is one will be lost to the Golden Showers. Get on the phone Gorther - Dumba as a Ranger would be a fabulous move.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:33 am EST

Just scanned the 30 trade bait list from mytraderumours: Finally, someone is talking about Raanta as possible trade bait. That's the first time, other than on here (where we collectively tend to be way ahead of most hockey pundits) I've seen it. I hope there's some fire behind that smoke.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:31 am EST

TD: So I assume, based on your rather harsh critique of that article, you're not the author. LOL...like the term 'asstards'. Gotta remember that one! LOL

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:30 am EST

Bernier would be a good choice IMO as the King's backup. He's proven that he's not a starting goalie - for whatever reason the pressure associated to being a number 1 inevitably kills him. It did so in Toronto and we saw him fail yet again in that role with the Ducks once Gibson went down. But as a backup I'd be quite comfortable if Gorther signed him. That said, watch out if the King goes down for an extended period of time. But 20 to 30 games as a backup? I concur he's arguably the best choice. That said, I am intrigued by the Wild goalie - he was their number 1 for a while (pre-Dubnyk) and looked pretty good. He could end up being another Allaire project and end up either taking over from the King or being solid trade bait.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:23 am EST

NHL Rumors: Trade Bait and Vegas Holding All The Cards.... http://mynhltraderumors.com/nhl-rumors-nhl-trade-bait-vegas-golden-knights-expansion-draft/2017/06/03/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:09 am EST

SOME PRE-EXPANSION DRAFT THOUGHTS..... http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/06/02/pre-expansion-draft-thoughts/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 10:08 am EST

HOME ABOUT COMMENTING GUIDELINES PRIVACY HOCKEY SYSTEMS OTHER RESOURCES HOW TO USE THE NEW STATS BLOG LINKS BSB TICKETS Close Ad SOME PRE-EXPANSION DRAFT THOUGHTS..... http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/06/02/pre-expansion-draft-thoughts/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:52 am EST

And add those goalie stories to the pile. None of those options are good or viable. If the Rangers lose RAANTA, the only guy out there I'd be comfortable taking his place would be BERNIER. That trash heap of UFA goalies he listed...that's a great way to get Hank to start 70-plus games next season.

tdchi


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:48 am EST

Wow...talk about boobs. This guy takes the cake. Here's another whopper: "Lee Stempniak is basically already a Golden Knight." Right. They're going to draft a 34-year-old journeyman...And another: "Cody Franson has been linked to the Rangers since the trade deadline." Really now...Says who? Your EA Sports game? Not to out-do himself, there this one: " The fire sale is going to be immaculate, with Joe Sakic slinging former prospect prodigies for Monopoly money and gummy worms." Yes. Sakic is giving away all his players. Source on that? But why stop there? "Jagr’s price tag is the main concern." Price? $4 million? Not that he's old and slow and plays wing where the Rangers are stacked? Or that there's a greater likelihood of GRETZKY coming out of retirement than JAGR returning to New York? Man. Some of these asstards don't even try.

tdchi


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:43 am EST

WHY KEVIN SHATTENKIRK IS NOT THE ANSWER..... http://fulltiltnyr.com/kevin-shattenkirk-not-answer/ .....GOALTENDERS AND COACHES SEASON RECAP AND GRADES..... http://fulltiltnyr.com/goaltenders-coaches-season-recap-grades/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:37 am EST

"The Rangers will also likely shed the contract of Rick Nash or Derek Stepan through trade, which opens a spot for a forward to be protected." --You might as well stop reading right there, because the guy has no idea what he's talking about.

tdchi


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:23 am EST

TD: Did you write this article? ;^) http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/29/new-york-rangers-derek-stepans-market-value-contract/

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:17 am EST

I meant the only defensive commodity...

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:16 am EST

Oh, I do like the notion of snagging Tyson Barrie but the author conveniently neglects to propose how that would be accomplished - he won't be given away by the Aves who need defense and the only commodity I suspect they'd be interested in from the Rangers, besides McD, is Skjei. Skjei IMO, should be as close to an untouchable as anyone on the team given the lack of NHL ready/capable young d-men in the organization. I remain convinced Graves doesn't have a chance with AV at the helm and Day is still at least 2 or 3 years away I suspect.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:14 am EST

Just read the article you posted Rhet. I like 2 of the players the author speaks of - Franson and Namestnikov. The rest, no thanks (especially JJ - he and AV would not get along I suspect). I remain hopeful Lindberg and Fast are both protected but the good news is only 1 can be lost. Franson I've always liked and I think he'd be a good fit on the Rangers backline. That he's an UFA is a bonus in that he'll cost nothing to acquire. He's expressed interest in returning to the Leafs, who will also be looking for a veteran d-man or 2, but I've no idea if the interest is mutual. IMO, he'd be a solid replacement for either Staal or Girardi.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:07 am EST

I'll admit Smith did play physically in the POs to the point of dirty and it was wonderful to see given the pacifist ways of the AV coached turn the other cheek, play whistle to whistle Rangers. He did not play that way in any game I saw before the POs commenced. Then again, the Rangers played way more physically in the POs (especially the Montreal series) as a team vs anytime under AV's watch previously. It was a revelation for me. We'll see, however, what sort of style they display come October - I wholly expect more whistle to whistle turn the other cheek crap. We'll see. First we need to see how/if Gorther addresses the leadership problem with the team.

rF4L


Sat Jun 3 2017 9:06 am EST

New York Rangers: Five Expansion Exposed Trade Targets.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/02/new-york-rangers-five-expansion-exposed-trade-targets/ ....New York Rangers: Replacing Raanta, Part II: Options From Outside.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/03/new-york-rangers-replacing-raanta-part-ii-options-outside/ ....New York Rangers: Replacing Antti Raanta, Part I: Options From Within.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/06/01/new-york-rangers-replacing-antti-raanta-part-options-within/

Rhet0ric


Sat Jun 3 2017 8:06 am EST

PAL17: I hope you are ok. Your health is the most important thing. And watching Ranger games is bad for your health. My hair went gray in my late 20s. The Rangers tried to kill me in early 2012 when I had a kidney infarction after watching a game. Ok that really happened after I went to bed but I'm still blaming the Rangers........

Vic


Fri Jun 2 2017 10:01 pm EST

mf, when I walked out of the garden after the gm 6 season ending loss everyone around me wanted to trade everybody. I told them don't be surprised if the same team is back next year. They get 100 points and make the playoffs every year. To be honest I don't know much about Duchene but I was hooked up to an iv pole all day and I played arm chair gm on the wall. You guys are great, I can't believe it's been twenty years.

Pal17


Fri Jun 2 2017 9:54 pm EST

The Wall is so much fun in the summer!

Pal17


Fri Jun 2 2017 4:55 pm EST

70-points and more ice time than any forward not named Crosby or Malkin? Kessel is front and center in PIT. He's getting minutes and he is doing things with it.

E


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:59 pm EST

Wildcard - Just to play devil's advocate here for a second. The way you describe DUCHENE sounds VERY familiar to me. Sounds a lot like another highly talented center who burned his way through two organizations before maturing into one of the top centers in the game: Marc SAVARD. Savvy was a notoriously bad lockerroom presence...got a reputation as a 'whiner'...Calgary and the Rangers basically gave him away. Then Bob Hartley got through to him in Atlanta and the rest was history...I think the KESSEL comparison is ludicrous. About the only thing Doosh and Kess have in common is a boatload of talent and a propensity for cruising...Kessel wasn't chased out of Boston or Toronto...The Leafs gave up an ass-ton for the guy, and jumped through a billion hoops before doing it....Boston was in a cap bind. Were it not for the cap, he might even still be a Bruin today...Certainly, he got a rep for not coming to camp or playing in shape...and it's a knock on him, because if Kessel dropped some weight and properly conditioned himself, he probably would have been a top-two draft pick and would be a perennial 80-to-90 point player...if not better...I remember some picking him as a first-overall pick in his draft year...but his conditioning was bad...and is still bad. The difference between where he is now and where he was in Toronto is that with the Leafs, he was expected to lead the team...in Pittsburgh, he's not even in the top three. He can take a back seat. Kessel hasn't reinvented himself...he just found a place where he can tuck into the shadows and be out of the spotlight. He's still a hotdog-eating fatso.

tdchi


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:44 pm EST

TD: I chalk it up to dementia. I'm still trying to wash this seasons disaster away. And I should also point out that while I've defended AV from time to time it was in the interest of sweeping away hyperbole and focusing on whats real or not. He is not the type of coach I would choose. I think he is a very good coach. And to his credit after watching the endless testudo style of play that Tortorella liked to play, to see the New York Rangers adopt the fast, possession style of play is exactly how I want them to play. I think an argument can be made that given the last several years it is the best style to win consistently and ultimately it will expose a team like a Senators or Canes. Not to minimize the Sens run but I think this season they were the exception and not the rule.

E


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:29 pm EST

But RF, you're using this as a reason why AV won't take a player like GUDBRANSON --which I agree with, but not for the reason you cite. If a player loves to hit and can move, AV wouldn't have any issue playing him. Case and point: Brendan SMITH. The guy was manimal during both series. He could have easily scratched him and started KLEIN. Or he could have implored Gorton to get a finesse defender instead. Instead, Smith became a major part of this team.

tdchi


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:23 pm EST

E - I'm nearly positive you're misremembering. The game you're talking about was in March --after the deadline --and SMITH was in that game. The Rangers did recall GLASS after the game and he did play a bunch down the stretch...The game in February was a lot tighter...but I agree: AV is a pragmatist, not a pacifist as some try to make him out to be. I really don't know how anyone could watch the playoffs and think this team was/is soft. A lot of folks here thought Montreal was going to muscle right through them. And what happened? Rangers were the tougher team. It's not to say they're the Anaheim Ducks...but I'm really curious as to where this impression of AV being a 'turn the other cheek' coach comes from. No doubt, his Vancouver team got out-muscled by the Bruins, which WERE a tougher team...but you look at that club and its replete with dirtbags...some of the dirtiest hockey players from that season. And AV played them game in and game out. Seems to me the narrative about AV is almost exclusively derived from his unwillingness to skate McILRATH.

tdchi


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:08 pm EST

E: AV reigned them in come PO time. Did you see any of the Bruin/Canuck final? It was shameful how the Bruins were allowed to goon and pummel the Canucks - especially the Sedins - with no response. Google Marchand punching one of the twins in the head with no call from the officials and no response from the Canucks. Shameful and despicable. When the King got run over in Dallas and not a single Ranger did a thing it was exactly the same thing. We've had this debate on here over and over and over again and clearly it's one that will never get all on 1 side. If you're fine with a teammate being run and hacked and gooned with zero retaliation that's your right (and anyone else's). I sure as hell am not.

rF4L


Fri Jun 2 2017 2:29 pm EST

Thank you... why did AV keep going back to Smith in the playoffs? AV is a big believer in skill no doubt. And he had a bad reputation as being soft earned from the Boston series when he was in Vancouver. But what gets underlooked is that team was filled with assholes. Ravi Torres, Burrows, Glass, Bieksa, LaPierre, Kesler. That was a real annoying team. I just don't think AV had the weapons to be annoying. And honestly, maybe he didn't want it with this team. But clearly, after the previous debacle in late February when I think the Montreal Canadians almost physically ran the New York Rangers out of their building the New York Rangers were quick to get Glass back in the lineup and make the trade for Smith. I think the message has been received that this team needs more sandpaper. I think AV is more of a pragmatist. I don't think he was blind. And when Shaw and Ott were stirring it up, Smith was tapped. I hope that the message is going to reflect next years lineup. we shall see soon enough...

E


Fri Jun 2 2017 2:14 pm EST

Smith is a better player. And it was either Smith or Crapdenning.

rF4L


Fri Jun 2 2017 1:58 pm EST

RF4L - so why did AV keep playing Brendan SMITH in the playoffs?

tdchi


Fri Jun 2 2017 1:20 pm EST

mf: GUDBRANSON is too physical and chippy for AV - he'd never get played.

rF4L


Fri Jun 2 2017 10:38 am EST

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/in-potential-swap-with-blackhawks-golden-knights-showing-cap-space-might-be-their-best-weapon

mf


Fri Jun 2 2017 10:31 am EST

Pal17: I'd rather do nothing than make an emotional trade. There are many options to investigate at this time, Duchene is far from a top priority.... IMO, a change at center is one, trading for a RHS Defenseman is another, signing Shattenkirk is another, and getting Dallas' #3 and drafting "Gabriel Vilardi" is another, getting the madical/health records on GUDBRANSON is another, ditto on Kevin Klein because I think that he has plenty of good hockey left in him especially on the 3rd pair,...... Again People: We have 10 Forwards who are exposed for the Expansion Draft....

mf


Fri Jun 2 2017 9:28 am EST

E is right. The risk is worth the reward. This team is way too comfortable. They are an embarrassment...Horrible blown leads in the playoffs. Cap problems. Need a #2 D-Man. The list goes on. Duchene in Colorado may not be the same as Duchene in NYC. The guy has skills!

Pal17


Fri Jun 2 2017 9:08 am EST

Regarding Duchene: It sounds like too little reward for the amount of risk..... I'd say pass on this kid, especially since the cost is Stepan.....

mf


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:47 am EST

And they said similar things about Kessel. WILD: I'm not saying you're wrong but sometimes guys are in the wrong environment. Remember Jeff Carter in Columbus? Just sometimes a guy needs a new start with a style of play that suits them. My observation of Duchene thru the years and I've seen him live a few times as well is that he doesn't do a lot of the detail parts of the game. He floats, he doesn't want to play on the boards. He just wants the puck in open space and where he can use speed and stick handling skill to score "stylistic" goals. Lots of sizzle and no grizzle. But I do also see a hockey player with another level to be unlocked. Whether he can get there is always a different story. That's one of the reasons why he needs out of Colorado every bit like Kessel needed out of TO.

E


Fri Jun 2 2017 3:30 am EST

The reason Duchene doesn't get more points is because Duchene. If he can't get open and to a score of area with the puck easy, or get open for a pass for an easy play he just quits on the shift and goes to the bench. He has had 3 coaching staffs that have all had the same issues....he will score a bit more than Step but only when it's easy to score. He doesn't play defense and even when he gets scratched for not playing D he won't put effort in there. If he is traded he will just say it was because the team didn't know how to use him or some other excuse and he will keep doing the same stuff. He creates locker room rifts with his attitude and doesn't listen to coaches. If the Rangers are going to give up assorted for a wing(He rarely plays center anymore) there are better options OT there even if they cost a bit more.

Wildcard


Fri Jun 2 2017 1:24 am EST

In principal I'm all for moving Stepan for Duchene. I think that Duchene is more high maintenance in terms of character but I think he'd thrive under AV. But in a normal year id say, mix it up for changes sake. But this offseason the defense is in such tatters that if Stepan was going to be moved there has to be a quality defenseman coming the other way. I just think that Duchene costs too much money and assets. Stepan alone couldn't get it done. And Id just be real surprised if the New York Rangers could solve their issues with Duchene. They'd certainly be more offensively powerful but honestly, did the New York Rangers lose games because they couldn't score? They couldn't stop other teams from winning on the PP or even strength in the third. That has to change and that means defense. They need to be collectively a better skating unit that can move the puck quickly. Duchene would be a nice to have. defense is a need to have.

E


Fri Jun 2 2017 12:58 am EST

mf - I'm not sure if HAYES, GRAVES and our first rounder would get HORVAT, much less either of those other guys. I don't think Horvat would come cheap. It's not to say that's a bad package...I just think it'd take STEPAN plus to land him alone. And again, would such a deal improve the team? If so, how much?

tdchi


Fri Jun 2 2017 12:53 am EST

Guys, the problems last year almost never originated with the forwards or the centers. Rather the massive shortcomings of the defense. Even the guys back there who did a good job in the playoffs...McD, SMITH and SKJEI...they couldn't compensate for the other three...I maintain the forwards did a real good job of covering up the badly faltering D by playing an up-tempo game that, when executed well, never gave opponents a chance to expose the D. The style of play they adopted put a special burden on the centers, who essentially had to play third defenseman whenever the puck was turned over. The fact that the Rangers played as well as they did is a little bit amazing considering how weak they were in the rear-guard. And consider this: Smith didn't really arrive until the playoffs...Skjei, while excellent, also was a rookie prone to defensive errors...there were times when McD was an island by himself...The Rangers had perhaps the weakest D in the east in this playoffs...maybe even among all 16 teams...and they made it weaker by playing five lefties in both series...That's a big faux pas. I don't care how much Smith and Holden say they "feel comfortable" on the right...you're always at a slight disadvantage...then add onto all of this the fact that NO ONE back there was very good at moving the puck from the back end. There wasn't a single guy who could pass the puck out of the zone half as good as KARLSSON did against us...sure, Skjei and McD could rush it up...or join the rush...but neither could thread an outlet pass for shit...Also don't forget none of the six(eight if you include KLEIN and CLENDENING)could really boom the puck from the point...and even if the could, there was pretty much a 1-in-3 chance that the guy up there is shooting from his off hand...So say you move STEPAN for DUCHENE. You improve your offense marginally...get a better faceoff guy who is faster...Doosh isn't nearly as good defensively though...and guess what? Your defense still sucks. The Rangers' top priority right now is to find someone who can move the puck from the right side. Secondarily, someone who can blast the puck from the right side. And if it's Christmas in July, someone who can bang bodied while doing either, or both of those things. It's the weakest part of the team...and it's so ironic too, because for years, it was the Rangers' greatest strength...just a stifling defense...The other irony is that fans just seem to gloss right over this glaring issue to blame guys like Step and even LUNDQVIST for errors that so clearly fall on the shoulders of the wayward D corps...I can't say this any clearer: You fix the right side on D and this team is not only a cup contender, but a cup favorite. Don't? Well, we'll have another season like last year.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 10:17 pm EST

TD: I read that the Knucks haven't torn the entire house down out of respect to the Sedins... I believe that if they could trade the twins to a contender with their blessing they would because it certainly looks like a total youth movement going on over there.... This kid VIRTANEN RHS is listed at 6'1" 229 lbs (talk about built like a tank) and then Horvat LHS is listed as 6' 223lbs (another tank) what would they want to part with either one of them is the question? Would Hayes / Graves / our 1st / for Virtanen or Horvat & Gudbranson & a 2nd rounder??

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 9:09 pm EST

Wildcard: Duchene 2 years w/o ntc. Stepan 4 years with ntc. I repeat Stepan 4 years with ntc. Did I mention the Four Year Prison Sentence of watching #21 try to skate with that piano on his back!!!!

Pal17


Thu Jun 1 2017 8:29 pm EST

Is Duchene a wing or a center? If he's a wing, who needs him? Not us.. .

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 8:19 pm EST

While I'm no huge fan of Duchene, I think Duchene is a player who is primed for a change of scenery. He scored 70 points in his second season and has slowly deteriorated while languishing in a dysfunctional Colorado system. I think there's a strong possibility that he comes into a new environment and could potentially flourish. He's a year younger than Stepan, is much faster, and has a higher offensive ceiling. I wouldn't be opposed to a deal involving Stepan for Duchene if we can make separate deals to improve our D.

evets1980


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:14 pm EST

Pal....would love to have Duschene (sp)......especially if it moves Stepan.

melvillefred


Thu Jun 1 2017 5:52 pm EST

Pal17: First no way to Duchene. Second Duchene is Stepan offensive output with no D. Third no way to Duchene. Fourth no way to Duchene did I mention no way to Duchene?

Wildcard


Thu Jun 1 2017 5:43 pm EST

mf - The Canuckleheads are about to shed both the SEDIN contracts at $7 million per. ERIKSSON is a bad one for sure...but I suspect they give ol' Loui a chance to redeem himself next year before shipping him out...again, I highly doubt the 'Nucks are looking to move HORVAT, since he is young and they appear to be rebuilding...and they have the fifth overall pick to boot...at 22, it's hard to see them parting with Horvat...but I remember at this time last year I rattled off a list of three or four centers I would target if I were the Rangers with the caveat that I didn't think their respective teams would trade any of them...And ZIBANAJED was on that list...so you never know...if the 'Nucks were doing a package, I'd also see if they'd include VIRTANEN or even SUBBAN'S little bro...both of whom I keep mentioning like a broken record...on the latter, there was a story not long ago about how Subban, a smallish right-handed puck mover, was in Nashville and was advised by his brother to watch Ryan ELLIS...told his mini-me to pattern his game after Ellis.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 4:24 pm EST

Last season Hayes had some extra "perceived value" because he may have helped tip the scales in the Jimmy Vesey signings. This offseason, that's gone....

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 4:22 pm EST

TD: Structure the trade & Sign me up for the Bo Horvat bus, I'm sold..... They want us to eat a bad contract (Eriksson) as part of the deal, no problem, see if you can work Gudbranson into the deal, The Twins, gladly welcome, they want Nash, or Hayes before we agree to part with Zucc or Miller?

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:58 pm EST

Sather still is stuck in the 1990s, building from the net out. Nothing wrong with wanting solid goaltending and D, but without top tier talent up front in todays NHL you get what we see in NY.

NYStranger


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:55 pm EST

Ola - My thought is that his performance in the NHL is more attributed to his circumstance. Montreal is an abhorrent team run by an insane front office and now two coaches who I don't necessarily respect too much...especially Therien, not so much with Julien. I think you'll see Galchenyck explode in the right environment and with the right coach.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:52 pm EST

Oh yeah, link to the story: https://t.co/axIKUwhduC

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:51 pm EST

So the rumor out there now is that the Hawks are prepared to expose Trevor VanRIEMSDYK if Las Vegas will trade them picks for Marcus KRUEGER...So this scenario was just put out there by Dave Shapiro of blueseatblog.com: "What if, and this is purely a hypothetical, the Rangers agree to leave Kevin Hayes unprotected, with the agreement that Vegas sends a pick to the Rangers to take Dan Girardi? That’s a long shot, and something I highly doubt would be entertained as a straight up swap, but let’s elaborate on this for a second. What if, and again this is a hypothetical, the Rangers leave Hayes unprotected, with the agreement that Vegas takes him from the Rangers and Sami Vatanen from Anaheim. Then the Rangers swap Klein for Vatanen. Vegas winds up with a young top-six center and a veteran defenseman, while the Rangers get a top-four defenseman. You may wonder why Vegas would sacrifice Vatanen in such a deal, but looking at the defensemen that may be available, it’s not out of the realm of possibility. Remember, my trade proposal sucks, but it’s that type of thought process I haven’t seen yet." So under this scenario, the Rangers get the coveted righty to nail down that side on the blueline, lose their 2B center, lose a mammoth contract, but also gain a pick...As an aside, I'd probably rather do this scenario with STAAL instead of GIRARDI...but this would solve a lot of issues in one swoop.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:46 pm EST

Tdchi- Yeah he was great there, but overall he just isn't that extremely talented at the NHL level. Definitely think he will peak as an OK NHLer.

Ola


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:40 pm EST

Just another aside...I, of course, am a huge fan of STEPAN and among the minority on this wall who are of the belief that it is a BIG mistake to trade him...but...if the Rangers are going to move him, the guy I'd target is the Canuck's Bo HORVAT. Now, this is all crazy talk really, because I personally think Vancouver sees Horvat as the future captain of the team...and they have a VERY nice contingent of young players about to join the team...BOESER, DAHLEN and JUOLEVI to name a few...but who knows? Maybe they're in a similar situation that Ottawa was in last year...maybe they see Step as an upgrade that gets them from point A to point B quicker...Regardless, I think Horvat is the kind of player many here would absolutely love. A bull of a player who is dynamic in the faceoff circle. Guy who wants to win.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:17 pm EST

RF4L - That's interesting. I probably would, actually. I would, of course, prefer to have both...I'd absolutely LOVE to have Z-STEP-GALCHENYCK down the middle. In my scheme of things, the guy who is most easily replaced is HAYES. As someone who advocated for the Rangers to go after him, I still like the guy...but I think WYSIWYG with Hayes. I don't think he's going to end up being the power forward some seem to think he may eventually be...he's going to be a solid 20 goal player...but I think Z-Step-Galchenyck would be an upgrade over Z-Galchenyck-Hayes.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 3:15 pm EST

So TD, would you do a Stepan for Galchenyck swap straight up?

rF4L


Thu Jun 1 2017 1:38 pm EST

Ola - It's largely based on what I saw of him when he won the gold with Team USA. He --along with TROUBA, MILLER and GAUDREAU --was a HUGE reason they won that medal. He centered one line and Miller centered the other...they were pretty much unstoppable. At the time, he was probably the most talented guy on the team. Johnny Hockey was good...Miller was good. Trouba was good...Galchenyck stole the show. I think Montreal rushed him a bit and has since pulled back a little too hard on the reins...I mean, starting DANAULT over him? They've bounced him all over the lineup and from wing to center. What I think he really needs is a couple of talented wingers...in truth, getting him on a line with someone like MILLER and, say VESEY...I think you'd begin to see what I see in this kid. He already has one 30-goal season...and that was during a year when the Habs kind of sucked.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 12:09 pm EST

I get the allure of Galchenyuk but given the silly way he's been handled in Montreal, I'd be leery of giving up too much to get him. That said, I'll beat Montreal would be interested in Stepan. There's too much pressure there to rebuild (especially with Price hitting UFA the summer of 2018) so I strongly suspect off-season moves there will involve endeavoring to strengthen the roster, not even retool, let alone rebuild. Stepan would immediately become their number 1 centre. So TD, would you do a one for one swap Galchenyuk for Stepan?

rf4l


Thu Jun 1 2017 12:02 pm EST

mf: I mentioned Kessel because from a pure skill perspective he is an elite talent. Arguably top 5 in the NHL. What he is not is motivated, especially to play a full game and drive hard when the chips are down. That serves to compromise his talent level and that, in turn, limits his overall value to most teams. On most teams he'd be the most skilled player and therefore, on most teams he'd be expected to perform like that. In Pittsburgh, however, he's got 2 players ahead of him; Crosby and Malkin together mitigate Kessel's negative aspects but he's so good that when he's on, he sparkles and can (and often does) make a difference. IMO, Pittsburgh is the perfect team for him, given this. Most other places, like Toronto and New York, he'd be expected to be the man every night. He cannot be (although I will say I saw many games where he was clearly the best Leaf and produced as such). He would be totally miscast in New York. In Pittsburgh, he's number 3 in a trio of weapons that no other team can match and he helped them win one cup and is helping them win another. The Rangers don't have anyone like those 3 of course and that's one huge reason why there's no cup since 1994. Sather sucks BTW.

rf4l


Thu Jun 1 2017 11:16 am EST

Tdchi- I am a bit puzzled about the love of Galchenyuk. Like he might not be a 4th lineer, but why does people think that he even can become a good top 2 line center let alone an "elite" player?? I don't even think that he is that good...

Ola


Thu Jun 1 2017 11:14 am EST

In the interest of moving the wall away from its Penguin lust, I offer the following unconfirmed rumor: The Habs are trying to get the first-overall pick and are throwing GALCHENYCK as the bait...I swear, if this kid is on the block, the Rangers should do whatever they can to lane him. He's been so pathetically misused by the Habs to the point where I can't even really understand where they're going with him. This is a kid who will likely be an elite center when he levels off. And they use him as a fourth liner between a couple of fireplugs.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 11:09 am EST

Pal17 - Couple things: I recently read somewhere the Jets are very much behind HELLEBUYCK and see him as their goalie of the future. can't remember where I read it, but they were doing some work with him this summer to help him improve. And while I believe any team could use a forward like MILLER, the Jets are absolutely stacked on wing. What they really need is to build the left side of their D and then maybe fill out some of their bottom lines...popular rumor is/has been they want a top pairing lefty for TROUBA and then some. So I think a deal for him would have to start with SKJEI, which is understandably unpopular here...I suppose we could try GRAVES, but I think his future in the NHL is a little bit cloudy...he's certainly not elite...As for Las Vegas, this has been said by both the NHL and Vegas: They want whatever team that takes the ice in October to be one that will at the very least compete for a playoff position. McPHEE is notorious for being a "win-now" GM and has never been one to stockpile picks or young players...there was a fan-piece not too long ago...the link is posted here...where there is a very convincing argument made that McPhee will want A LOT in return for not picking his target. And while I'm a fan of JENSEN and GRAVES, I don't think either is going to dissuade him from grabbing from the three likely suspects: LINDBERG, RAANTA or FAST in that order...To get him to take KLEIN, you're probably looking at losing a high pick or something a lot more coveted than what we have currently in Hartford. A better idea is to get whatever we can for Klein on the open market...probably a third or fourth rounder...In short, it's probably better to suck it up and lose one of those three than to pony up whatever it's going to take to protect the more coveted players on our team. Frankly, I think he'll go with one of the Swedes and target FLEURY for his tender...and if that's the case, I think the Rangers are better off losing whoever they're going to lose and replacing within...ironically, if they DO lose Fast or Lindberg, it'll probably be Jensen who gets the call to replace them.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 10:32 am EST

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-we-have-a-trade-on-wednesday-in-the-national-hockey-league?ref=cresus

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 9:51 am EST

The sooner the Penguins win this anticlimax series the sooner the trading commences.....

mf


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:49 am EST

My two cents on Vegas, tell Georgie if he takes drafts KLEIN a veteran to help his new franchise get up and running. If healthy can be traded at the deadline. They can have GRAVES,JENSEN @ CLENDENING

Pal17


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:25 am EST

Last one for today: Offer RANNTA & JT MILLER (whom I really like & don't want to trade) for TROUBA & HELLEBUYCK backup goalie. If JTM doesn't get it done then offer KREIDER but get back a 2nd round pick to replace ours. (RANNTA - LAINE FINN Connection)

Pal17


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:19 am EST

Pal17 - I frankly don't think it makes much sense to do that. You get rid of STAAL for two reasons: First and foremost, to upgrade on the left side. And second, to clear cap space. I don't think the cap space is as big of an issue, so if you're taking a contract like BROWN'S...well...you're really inheriting someone else's problem...you're better off eating $2 million or $3 million in salary or moving a pick/prospect to a team willing to take him...Brown is the one guy who I think still has gas left in the tank who could be a valuable piece of an organization, albeit at a drastically overpaid rate.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:15 am EST

Wall consensus on trading STEPAN 4 yrs @6.5 for MATT DUCHENE 2 yrs @6.0 They are the same age I think Step is the better all around player, DUCHENE with more offense upside. He has to be better then Stepan in the Power Play!

Pal17


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:07 am EST

I wonder what the Wall opinion is on trading STAAL @5.7 for a similar bad contract? LA's DUSTIN BROWN @ $5,875,000 but he's got five years to Stall's 4 Or GABORIK part2 @4.88M same four year term as Staal. I'm not sure what gabby has left at 35 but he can skate and score when he plays. He's always hurt but there always the LTIR options. Brown would be a 32 yr old expensive fourth liner but at least he's a two time cup winning captain that may be helpful in a room full of players that don't know how to put teams away in the playoffs.

Pal17


Thu Jun 1 2017 7:07 am EST

MelvilleFred: Same draft the Pens got GUENTZEL, the Rangers got DUCLAIR and BUCHNEVICH. Actually, their scouting has been about average...they've dropped some real stinkers in the top rounds...most notably, Derek POULIOT...Beau BENNETT is another...what they have been good at doing is keeping guys in their system for three, even four years and then deploying them effectively in their lineup. It's something they can and have to do with CROSBY and MALKIN, because they can't pay the going rate for bottom line players. Instead, they need to cultivate cheap, effective skaters who can swing into the lineup when one of their UFAs needs a raise.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 6:54 am EST

Wildcard - C'mon. That was not my point at all. If a team is out there looking at TALBOT and thinking RAANTA could be the same player...well, that team should get a new front office. I'm saying a team isn't going to overpay for a guy who has never had a full season between the pipes. Closest I can remember for a team actually doing that is the Sharks for Martin JONES. And that only got the Bruins a mid-round first and a good prospect...my point is that fans shouldn't be over-valuing Raanta like they did Talbot. He's not going to bring a huge return and if the Rangers are fairly sure he won't get picked by Vegas, he's probably more valuable to them as a player.

tdchi


Thu Jun 1 2017 4:16 am EST

21. New York Rangers: Klim Kostin, forward, Dynamo Moscow (KHL)...The Rangers found a skilled forward out of Russia in 2013 with Pavel Buchnevich. Kostin, the highest-rated European skater by Central Scouting, would be a grand slam if the Rangers could nab him here and get him over to the NHL within a couple years. He had shoulder surgery in January that ended his KHL season but he's still highly skilled and highly regarded."

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 1 2017 4:12 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/nhl-mock-draft-2017-1.13646119

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 1 2017 4:11 am EST

Irving moofinator get your draftinator ....http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/nhl-draft-rangers-first-round-possibilities-1.13660217

Stevielegs


Thu Jun 1 2017 1:48 am EST

MF.... Nash already gives you a list of teams he will accept a trade to and you can trade Stepan wherever you want until July 1st. Girardi also owes you a list on July 1st.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 11:23 pm EST

RF: all of a sudden you group Kessel with Crosby & Malkin? I seem to recall you complaining about his contract, his weight, and wouldn't want him on the Rangers... In the meantime he's an integral part in their repeat............... Rhet: Here's what you do with Hank, Nash, Staal, Girardi, & Step..... You ask them each for a list of where they would accept to be traded and see if they comply with your wishes......... If Hank doesn't want to comply, you switch roles between him and Raanta, in other words Raanta gets every start that Hank would have got, and vise versa, let's see how he likes the back-up role..... Nash can be traded, I'd take a real serious look at Nash with a home town discounted contract after this contract, other-wise, let's move on, trade him....... Girardi & Staal, trade & buyout, sign Shattenkirk, and for g-ds sake, get into a trade which brings us back another RHS Dman.... I'd like to hear about KLEINs health report and see if he can be our 7th Dman, otherwise trade him too as alone or as part of a package & save $1-$2mill and having Clenndenning (RHS) as the 7th.

mf


Wed May 31 2017 10:51 pm EST

And FWIW I was at a Calgary V’s. Anaheim game. And Calgary tried to go hard after the Ducks and saw themselves on the losing end thoroughly getting pounded out. Anaheim is a heavy team with a lot of speed and an activated blue line that really moves the puck quick. They are no one trick pony. Their team speed is not to be understated. They can skate with any team in the NHL. They are no lumbering hulks looking for fights.

E


Wed May 31 2017 10:10 pm EST

RF4L--I hear you. Randy Carlyle won a cup as a goon coach, and remains one. But the Ducks have some skilled players like Rakell and Silvferberg, and lots of talented kids on D. Having watched the Ducks-Preds series, it was clear to me that Nashville did a great job clearing the front of their net, but otherwise were weak up front and only the Gibson injury resulted in them winning. When they did, I predicted Pittsburgh in 4 and was ripped by Predators fans. So far, it looks like Imhad it correct.

Bob


Wed May 31 2017 10:09 pm EST

MF... If you're comparing Star players, our star players are Hank and Nash. Neither has an upper gear in the postseason. How do we fix that?

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 10:02 pm EST

KIS: Yes, get the frustration with the King but he's got like 4 more years left on his contract. Don't you just love Glen Sather? LOLOL..

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 10:00 pm EST

Point is the Rangers might need another damn. They need players to play harder and play with more purpose and they need Hank to earn his 9.5 million. Everybody always makes excuses for hank. Everybody. Itches about step. About staal. About Nash. Yes those guys sucked but guess what. Hank made more and he sucked too

kis


Wed May 31 2017 9:57 pm EST

Kid being skjei

kis


Wed May 31 2017 9:57 pm EST

KIS: The Rangers also have no one on the forward lines with the skillset of Crosby, Malkin or Kessel.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:52 pm EST

mfred: Rust and Geuntzel were both 3rd round picks of the Penguins. Obviously, sound picks (and yet more proof that it's foolhardy to continually trade away picks) but I maintain it helps when you have your top player elevating the play of those around him.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:50 pm EST

Unbelievable about the pens. Ranger fans keep barking about getting a better offensive d man, who do the pens have. Without lehtang there isn't a damn you people or me would take over McD or the kid. Yet the pens D is going to be good enough to win a cup. I'm saying it now Murray is a better goalie than Henrik. The king played well in the first series but he sucked this year. The Rangers had a perfect chance this year. The Rangers didn't have a cup winning goalie in net.

kis


Wed May 31 2017 9:46 pm EST

Bob: Maybe the Ducks need to concentrate more on playing hockey vs cheapshotting guys? I am just asking/musing - not trying to be sarcastic. The hockey I saw in that series was so much about the Ducks trying to intimidate vs trying to score. I get it I guess if you're the Bruins without a top center and a defense that isn't very skilled - the Ducks have Getzalf and some very good d-men. Thoughts?

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:44 pm EST

RF4L......agreed that having Crosby AND Malkin is a huge advantage.....as far as guys wanting to play in Pittsburgh but that has nothing to do with the 3 players I mentioned ending up there.

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 9:44 pm EST

RF4L......agreed that having Crosby AND Malkin is a huge advantage.....as far as guys wanting to play in Pittsburgh but that has nothing to do with the 3 players I mentioned ending up there.

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 9:44 pm EST

Penns have Crosby, we have Stepan...... Derek, watching tape?

mf


Wed May 31 2017 9:41 pm EST

Anaheim really choked.

Bob


Wed May 31 2017 9:36 pm EST

Rinne is a year younger than the King and has been, like the King, Nashville's go-to guy for a long time. After a while, these guys wear down.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:34 pm EST

I am surprised the Predators are getting lit up 2 games in a row. It made me wonder if Hank was in goal (sorry:)

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 9:33 pm EST

Shoulda been a Pittsburgh/Washington final IMO.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:32 pm EST

Mind you, Nashville the 16th seed. This is what you get with this stupid Buttman PO seeding scenario. Get it done in 4 games so the trades can start.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:32 pm EST

Looks like it'll be a damn sweep

rngrsans


Wed May 31 2017 9:32 pm EST

LOLOL...4 1 now.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:31 pm EST

And this team will only get better when with the return they're gonna get for Fleury.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:31 pm EST

E... What you described effectively leaves us out as a potential trade partner with Minnesota :)

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 9:29 pm EST

Watching this game - I don't see much top end talent on the Preds after their blueline. I say that realizing their number 1 centre is hurt but I don't see any forward standing out, at least not with any consistency.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:26 pm EST

I hate the Pens

rngrsans


Wed May 31 2017 9:25 pm EST

Penguins gonna win again. Predicted it when the POs started and now it's getting close to reality.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 9:18 pm EST

melfred: I believe Hornquist came in the Neal trade. As I said the other night, it sure helps when you have one of the best players in the world on the team.

rF4L


Wed May 31 2017 8:34 pm EST

.......and Hornquist......

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 8:11 pm EST

So the other night I pondered "where did the Penguins find Rust and Guenzel"? I got some slight of hand comments pointing out Rusts ppg stats that weren't so impressive but no one commented on Guenzel.....I'm thinking someone in Pittsburgh does a good job scouting......

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 6:30 pm EST

Pal....no complaints......but it's early????

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 6:30 pm EST

Pal....no complaints......but it's early????

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 5:13 pm EST

I think the market on goalies has been soft for years already. San Jose gave up what to LA to BOS? A one pick? And that was a ransom. And with the price of a one they were covered in nets into the SCF. I just think there are a lot of really good goalies out there these days. Most teams have at least one quality goaltender. Bobrovsky was another who fetched what? A bunch of ho hum picks

E


Wed May 31 2017 4:37 pm EST

How ya doin Fred?

Pal17


Wed May 31 2017 4:35 pm EST

What if we gave Dallas NASH & STAAL for "LET-EVERYTHING-IN " I mean Lehtonen, could we get one of those #1's that they have? Think about the cap space....

Pal17


Wed May 31 2017 4:13 pm EST

Thank you Benoit Allaire (sp)

melvillefred


Wed May 31 2017 3:20 pm EST

Whoops...that last post is for td not E....td was responding to E...my bad.

Wildcard


Wed May 31 2017 3:19 pm EST

E: Talbot just set a record for most wins in a single season by an Oilers goalie. I do t really feel that teams will look back and say "well Ranta was behind that same D as Talbot, he probably is t as good as his numbers look" more likely Talbot made Rantas value go up for this summer....because he proved that the Rangers can get a backup into starter form....the time is now to get the most value unless it's a sure thing Talbot will be as strong next season.

Wildcard


Wed May 31 2017 3:08 pm EST

E - I just don't think teams are going to pay up for someone of the pedigree of RAANTA...isn't to say he can't be a starter or isn't a good goalie...I just think teams look at how the Rangers play in front of their backups and take their stats with a grain of salt. The Rangers have no problem hanging Hank out to dry...but when it comes to his understudies, they tend to play a real tight game...SKAPSKI, who can't seem to stop a puck in the AHL, looked like the real-deal when he was called up...even Magnus HELLBERG looked like he could be a serviceable player...we as fans, of course, look at Talbot's and Raanta's performances and automatically think they're worth a nice asset...I think NHL GMs look a them and will throw down picks, but nothing to write home about.

tdchi


Wed May 31 2017 3:01 pm EST

Here's what you need to know about NIEMI and LEHTONEN: The latter was brought in to correct the Stars' troubles in net...Despite getting some very good players to skate in front of him, he struggled mightily for five years...And in an era of the Stars where they should have been going deep, they missed the playoff four out of five years...meanwhile in San Jose, Niemi was supposed to be the guy with a cup ring who could power the Sharks over the hump in the post-NABOKOV era...and after one deep run, he did very little to help the cause...despite having strong teams in front of him each season...so the Stars' genius plan was to grab a guy floundering on another strong team and have him edge out Lehtonen. But instead, Niemi continued his downward trend...so bad, in fact, that the Stars, who were supposedly going to move/buyout Lehtonen, instead kept him...and the two of them have basically taken turns in the dog house...one guy will backstop a good game, then suck for three or for outings so that Ruff has no choice but to go to the other...who has a good game, and then sucks for three or four outings...So I gotta say, I don't know why anyone thinks two goalies who can't either challenge for a starter's position OR a backup role would be good on the Rangers...ESPECIALLY if they're making $5 million plus each...so that's a long way of saying RAANTA is a WAAAAAAAAY better goalie than either of those clowns. How would that pan out for the Rangers? Well, Raanta was 16-8. Now imagine if Niemi or Lehtonen jumped in for 24 decisions...that would be 12-12...figure four less wins. That would put them right around with the Islanders on the outside looking in...Look, if the Stars are willing to give up a serious asset for us to grab one of these guys...great...I mean, I'd do a deal with them...say STAAL for NEIMI and NICHUSKIN. But they would need to really sweeten the pot before I'd take either of those clowns. But they'd need to take one of our bad contracts back...And really, in the end, I'd just buy out the goalie they gave us in the end. Neither of those guys is worthy of a roster spot.

tdchi


Wed May 31 2017 2:36 pm EST

Something not to overlook. Team meetings are just now starting, over the next few weeks all will be finished, and that's when more will pick up. Not too many teams will be ready to make moves until they get their internal scouting and their protected lists set, and until they have decided on buyouts. Of course any player they are looming to buyout they will shop first, so that will also slow things down, not many of those guys will get moved if any. I still think that we will see the most early off-season movement the days leading up the the 17th when the protected lists are due to be turned in. Then it will die off until after the expansion draft and teams know what they now need to replace and that will run up to the draft...

Wildcard


Wed May 31 2017 2:06 pm EST

According toNHL Sirius they think MIN wants to potentially move one of their speedsters on the blue line expansion draft aside and replace with size, physicality, and shutdown ability.

E


Wed May 31 2017 1:59 pm EST

E: and that's exactly why we throw stuff at "The Wall" :-) for a consensus of opinion's.... So, based upon your input we'd keep a guy like Raanta (possibly over Fast & Lindberg unless the NYR Brass has a card up their sleeve) and try another angle if we were to trade with Dallas....

mf


Wed May 31 2017 1:37 pm EST

MF: I can speak from experience in Niemi. Oh will the New York Rangers fans get on that guy. He has the most mind numbing brain farts at the worst times. I want nothing to do with him in a blueshirt. And yes, Raanta is a much better goalie and I believe he will win a lot more games then those two sibs.

E


Wed May 31 2017 12:17 pm EST

TD: I'd expose Grabner over Raanta - the former likely won't score next year like he did this year and has a year left on his deal anyways. That said, it's not an easy decision. Also, I suspect if the Showers took Grabner it would be to turn around and trade him elsewhere for picks and/or someone younger.

rf4l


Wed May 31 2017 12:16 pm EST

Are we going to win any additional games with RAANTA in goal as opposed to LEHTONEN or NIEMI? Dallas could save $4.9mill or $3.5 mill depending upon who we took in return... That savings may be a big deal to Dallas..... We also have our 21st overall pick to offer in a trade for their 3rd overall....

mf


Wed May 31 2017 11:50 am EST

TD: given Lundqvist's age, I really want to reel in his games during the regular season. So Raanta is crucial. And frankly, I'd like a little goal tending competition and help facilitate a post Lundqvist era. Maybe he'll want to waive to go to a contender at some point like Hasek. I think he deserves his shot and if he can't get it in NY because the team is in transition in another season down the road? I think Raanta is capable of being a starting goaltender and playing quite well.

E


Wed May 31 2017 11:41 am EST

Or...is Raanta to LV worth keeping LINDBERG and/or FAST and/or GRABNER?

tdchi


Wed May 31 2017 11:07 am EST

Raanta for a few picks is better than Raanta going to the Showers for nothing. Do it Gorther, do it.

rf4l


Wed May 31 2017 10:28 am EST

TD: he won 42 games last season and was pretty good in the playoffs so... he looked like he was a guy who could start in the NHL. Besides, I have come to the conclusion that you can win in the NHL with an inexperienced goaltender who does not have all the accolades. Look at Jones, Murray, Gibson, Anderson, Dubnyk. Outside of Murray none of these are guys with great resumes. But they've done a lot of winning. Obviously Lundqvist is/was a better goaltender but could the New York Rangers have rode Raanta into the playoffs and been just fine? I think so. It's just so hard to get pucks thru nowadays and when you do, defensive puck support is just so good. It's so hard to score down low. The New five hole is the 4-hole.

E


Wed May 31 2017 9:45 am EST

re: RAANTA - We're in an almost identical situation as we were with TALBOT...Raanta would also command about the same return: A handful of early-round picks...maybe a prospect...And I think if the Rangers earnestly believe he's going to get drafted by Vegas, then they should make that move...problem with Raanta is the same problem with Talbot before he was moved: He's a great backup...nothing short of ideal...and a guy who can carry a team for stretches...but is he the goaltender you want to build your franchise around? He's played his whole career with dominant teams...what's he going to look like on a team that's rebuilding or simply building(i.e. Vegas)? Plenty of examples of good understudies being grabbed by teams looking for a top goalie only to find they guy they got was really just a backup all along...BERNIER comes to mind with Toronto...HALAK with the Blues and then the Isles...and the list goes on...even Talbot didn't look all that promising in his first year with Edmonton...so I hope the narrative that the Rangers are owed some sort of massive haul for Raanta doesn't start to proliferate...because at best, he's going to fetch us a few more draft spots next month. And if that DOES happen, make no mistake: The Rangers are going to have to find a new understudy for Hank...because there is nothing and no one in the system ready for that role.

tdchi


Wed May 31 2017 9:26 am EST

I'm sure there is all kinds of behind-the-scenes jockeying going on right now, especially given how quickly the dominoes will begin to fall once the cup is awarded...that said, there are hardly ever any deals that go down between the start of the playoffs and the cup being awarded, much less ones of note. And there are many reasons for this, including what was mentioned: Why make a big splash when no one except the diehard fans are really paying attention? But there are plenty of other reasons: The buyout period hasn't started; the draft order isn't solidified, many players are overseas at the Worlds and there are other playoffs going on: CHL, the Memorial Cup, the AHL...all those series/games are drawing scouts. Teams are making their final assessments before the draft. And there's also a scramble to sign talented undrafted free agents...Once the cup is awarded, I'm sure we'll see more than a little bit of action.

tdchi


Wed May 31 2017 7:51 am EST

Per JAB‏ @JonathanABailey .... How good is Igor Shestyorkin? http://blueseatblogs.com/2017/05/31/igor-shestyorkin-prospect/ … via @BlueSeatBlogs... Also, per Michael Russo‏Verified account @Russostrib..... Hall of Famer Scott Stevens steps down after one year as a #mnwild assistant. STORY>>> ....http://www.startribune.com/wild-assistant-coach-scott-stevens-resigns/425369993/

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 7:41 am EST

Isabelle Khurshudyan‏Verified account @ikhurshudyan .... Here's some early tidbits from MacLellan's meeting with reporters: On a possible Ovechkin trade: MacLellan said it's not in the organization's best interest right now.... MacLellan said team's history plays a role in pressure for players. Could sense it G7. Said it's on coaches to get players mentally ready.... On Trotz's comment brushing off the team's history, MacLellan said he and the coach have a philosophical disagreement there.... Trotz going into last year of deal..... MacLellan said no talk of extension for him yet.... No changes in coaching personnel, per MacLellan..... MacLellan wants Connolly back. Expects to give him a qualifying offer.... MacLellan referred to a top four with Niskanen, Carlson, Schmidt and Orlov multiple times. So, bye Alzner.... MacLellan said Caps will go 7-3-1 in expansion draft. Has his mind mostly made up on who to protect, but deciding on one more slot.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 7:11 am EST

Make that a 72 hour window :)

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 7:10 am EST

If you haven't heard/read about this, the LV Golden Knights have a 48 hour window to talk/sign UFA's days before anyone else. Unfair advantage? Yes, but most UFA's probably wont make a decision until after they get to talk to the rest of the League.... Per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun ..... Vegas free-agent window will be from 10 am ET on Sunday June 18 to 10 am ET on Wednesday June 21; same 72-hr period as expansion draft window.... Also, NHL will release all 30 teams' protected lists at 10 am ET on Sunday, June 18

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 6:53 am EST

New York Rangers 2016-2017 report cards: Kevin Hayes... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/30/new-york-rangers-2016-2017-report-card-kevin-hayes/

Rhet0ric


Wed May 31 2017 12:11 am EST

moofinator

Stevielegs


Tue May 30 2017 11:58 pm EST

Love this...... "unless you taste like crabs and talk like people"

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 11:57 pm EST

WILD.... I think the more sensible fans feel that way with Step, but I've come across more than a few on Twitter that think he's an addition by subtraction and just want him gone (nutty)... Here's another one :) ......'Derek Stepan Is Anything But A Problem'..... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/30/15710792/derek-stepan-is-anything-but-a-problem-unless-you-taste-like-crabs-and-talk-like-people

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 11:45 pm EST

If you trade Raanta, you trade him after the Expansion Draft when several teams will need a backup. That's when you'd get the most value for him. BTW, I would trade Marc Staal for Jason Spezza straight up. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 11:38 pm EST

E: are you transposing your Eaves (Ducks) & Eakin's (Dallas)? The Ducks Eaves was actually on my mid year radar as a RHS 4th liner / 13th forward to replace Tanner Glass this upcoming season.. If I'm reporting this correctly, Anaheim had a real shaky early / middle of the season & Eaves was moved up the lines and had a career year at 34 years of age... Well, forget about him signing on the cheap now & we just keep trolling.......

mf


Tue May 30 2017 11:36 pm EST

E... When it comes to players that struggle, I always try to separate their struggles from the actual person. Girardi seems to be a really good guy. His teammates love him and he's the kind of player I wouldn't hesitate to offer a job to once he retires. That said, maybe G decides he doesn't want to move and does us a solid and retires :) ...RF4L... it's the Cup Finals. While there is no official 'Trade Freeze' on, I'm sure the NHL would prefer teams do nothing that takes attention away from that. That's why you rarely see a trade during the Finals.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 10:14 pm EST

WIld: Yeah, I agree with that, too. Just wishful thinking on my part....

rF4L


Tue May 30 2017 9:54 pm EST

RF4L: I guess lost in what I wrote is that not so much what the stars would like and what the Rangers could help them with it's more that the competition to get that 3rd overall will be strong, likely there will be teams ahead of the Rangers offering their first and that will drive the price for the Rangers up, even if not other teams will be willing to give up equal value to he rangers but toss in extra picks and young players. It's more the competition in a bidding war that I think would make the offer you suggest to low.

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 9:48 pm EST

Wild: I have always been down on Girardi although thru the years he won my respect. My issue with him is he is simply an old school defender and that stuff still has a role in hockey albeit fading. The name of the game in my eyes is possession. He who has the puck controls the play. Girardi supressesmshots on net but he doesn't recover pucks. And when he does recover them his single greatest ability is to chip a puck off the glass and out. In my eyes, in the AV system (which I like although I wish for more grit) a defenseman must be able to jump up into the play to provide numbers and possession into the offensive zone. Dump and chase hockey is fine against pylons on defense but the New York Rangers are so much better when they have possession in the zone and start to make the other team chase. This is what AV's system is made to do. Get that puck going east-west off the boards with good puck support. When it's working the other team gets hemmed in quick. Guys like Smith while better known for his grit is overlooked a little because he can skate. He's fast, smooth, and can advance the puck. I just don't think Girardi for all his black and blue play and frankly Staal can play in this system. And when I see guys like Skjei who just skoot up ice I think Girardi is almost a sea anchor out there. Say what some of you will about last seasons defense with Yandle and Boyle but those boys moved the puck quick. And despite doing the typical offensive defenseman risk taking stuff they were sure fire possession defenders. And the defense was as good as any we've seen in a while. I'd love to see the New York Rangers build on that. And honestly, that's what I think they'll try to do. But there are some guys that can really move that might be available and play the kind of game we want to see. And one of them is in Minnesota and has all the tools but likely needs a new team that is less focused on circle the wagon hockey.

E


Tue May 30 2017 9:35 pm EST

MF: isn't Eakin with the Ducks now?

E


Tue May 30 2017 9:14 pm EST

BTW, 12 shots on net by one team and nearly 40 minutes with no shots and that team wins...in the stanley cup opener. The Buttman cowed media calls it a 'weird game'. LOL...I didn't see it (thank goodness) but sounds boring like 'boring game' to me.

rF4L


Tue May 30 2017 6:13 pm EST

Yep RHS 34 y/o SPEZZA scored .74 ppg last season, higher than ANY Ranger, he really sucks.... http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/2299 ...... Meanwhile our beloved Rick Nash scored .57 ppg damn near a career low... I point a finger of blame at him and his pivot

mf


Tue May 30 2017 5:55 pm EST

Spezza, soon to be 34 years old, 2 more years at $7,500,000 with NMC. Geesh, nice to see Gorther isn't the only one handing out stupid contracts. Nope, that trade isn't gonna fly - Spezza is untradeable. Oh well, traderbator back to you mf!! lol

rF4L


Tue May 30 2017 5:50 pm EST

WIld: Meant to add the biggest fly in the ointment there is probably the presence of Spezza. He and Stepan likely don't fit.

rF4L


Tue May 30 2017 5:48 pm EST

Wild: The Rangers would be doing the Stars a huge favour taking one of those overpaid goalies. So that's a plus for the Rangers and needs to be factored in. Stepan gives them a good 2nd line center behind Seguin. Girardi helps solidify a youngish defense. And the swap of picks means the Stars still get a first rounder. All that said, I've got zero expectations of that trade happening. I know if I was a Stars fan I'd not be happy with it. It does depend, however, on how motivated the owner is to have a PO team next year and I suspect given the attendance issues there, he is. That often plays a far bigger role in a trade talks than many of us realize.

rF4L


Tue May 30 2017 3:45 pm EST

RF: The "Traderator" accepts all! No applications nor resume's required! .......... Dallas has Seguin, Spezza, Eakin down the center, I think RF's offer is too rich & we'd be overpaying as Stepan is clearly the best talent in that scenario. Remove Stepan & rework...... How good is GRAVES? Do we need him coming up the depth-chart on the LHS? What are Dallas's needs? Does Graves, Raanta, & our 21st get us 1 of their remaining goalies, Honka, & their 3rd?

mf


Tue May 30 2017 2:21 pm EST

Rf4L: I like Girardi more than most here, but still, they would need to toss more than that in to move up to the 3rd overall. Maybe more like your deal offer, plus Graves, and maybe even another mid round pick as well, or a younger Forward.....that pick will have multiple offers, and I think that they will let the price drive up until the very last moment...and by that time Stepan will have a Movement Clause kicked in, and he may not want to goto Dallas...so while it looks good on paper, I don't think it can happen in time.

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 2:06 pm EST

rf4l: Yes the Flames want a goalie that I think is the most likely landing spot for Raanta, of course, as you say, the PENS needs to figure stuff out first.

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 2:00 pm EST

Wild....calgary needs goalies. I suspect they're waiting for the MA Fleury thing to settle first, which is likely describing the entire goalie market. Fleury is the prime catch - once he goes the domininos will begin to fall I suspect. That won't be for 10 more days. At the earliest.

Rf4l


Tue May 30 2017 1:56 pm EST

I'm borrowing mf's traderbation hat here: How about Stepan and Girardi and the 21st pick to Dallas for one of their goalies, Honka and the 3rd overall pick?

Rf4l


Tue May 30 2017 1:52 pm EST

If I had to wager, The NYR are exploring ALL options including trading Raanta & or leaving him exposed all the while trying to obtain a wink and a nod that LV will target him & not a forward IF the Rangers value any exposed forwards higher than Raanta..... Who gives a sh-t why a beat writer isn't covering this?

mf


Tue May 30 2017 1:52 pm EST

Actually looking at the rules, if they qualify Skapski prior to their protected list going in they could expose him and meet the requirements I think. SO they could move Raanta for a good return...but would other teams want to have another goalie to expose just to have Raanta for one season only perhaps if he decided to go to UFA after next season.

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 1:51 pm EST

Is Skapski eligible to be exposed? 3 years as a pro and some NHL experience. Might be. If not your point is valid and what could be preventing any trade talks.

Rf4l


Tue May 30 2017 1:46 pm EST

Rf4l: I was wondering the exact same thing. Seems odd that they wouldn't try to trade him now and get some other goalie to expose int he draft....thats one issue, they must have a goalie that they can expose, and right now they only have one I think.

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 1:32 pm EST

Vic...just busting ya dude. Lol. BTW how come no media nob is proposing Gorther shop Raanta before the Golden Shower draft? There's no freeze on trades is there?

Rf4l


Tue May 30 2017 12:49 pm EST

RF4L: You know I meant that our opinions only matter to us. There is no chance that Ranger management would ever consider what any of us think/say in making a decision. They will not read our drivel. They couldn't care less what we or any fan thinks....

Vic


Tue May 30 2017 11:16 am EST

Rust: How did the pens find him...like every other team finds a half point per game on his best season so far (in 57 games this season) and .39 ppg in the post season (crazy enough what he scored last years in the playoffs and this year)...they are all over the place. Rust has had a knock this season for big goals, thats something you just luck into....he may be in the middle of his best regular/playoff season ever and fade into the nothingness of a 3rd/4th line guy that is forgotten about after this year.....yeah sure he will have cup victories, but credit that more to the the top players on the PENs than him. I understand he has helped along the way, but come on folks, Rust is not some special player that the Pens somehow found and other teams could learn to do. It was a little bit of luck, just like all drafting is

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 10:58 am EST

Rhet: For sure that Stepan article will not sit well with some. However they make the point I think a lot of people have made, even those that really want to trade Step....the deal has to be right....cant just give him away. I am on the "trade him if you can" bus because of his Movement Clause...moving him asap would give them the option (depending on return) to protect a different forward like Fast of Lindberg in expansion.Could even play a more dangerous game, trade him for higher picks/prospects...you can then flip those assets for a D or C or whatever may be needed after other trades, buyouts, signings, expansion, whatever....the issue with that is that if the player you want has a cost that starts rocketing up you may be left on the outside looking in with lots of tradable assets...not ideal...but not terrible overall if you play it right...

Wildcard


Tue May 30 2017 10:26 am EST

New York Rangers’ Antti Raanta is a Hot Commodity.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/30/new-york-rangers-antti-raanta-expansion-possibility/

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 10:02 am EST

Hard to. Believe the Preds lost.....

melvillefred


Tue May 30 2017 9:52 am EST

2017 Rangers Expansion Draft: Michael Grabner Edition... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/30/15697758/2017-nhl-expansion-draft-michael-grabner-edition-new-york-rangers .....New York Rangers: Derek Stepan’s contract is just right (I'm sure this will go over well with some here).... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/29/new-york-rangers-derek-stepans-market-value-contract/ .....New York Rangers news, rumors and notes, May 30th, 2017... https://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/30/new-york-rangers-news-rumors-notes-rumblings/

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 9:38 am EST

It's only game 1 off the cup finals but the Penguins do seem like they get the better of Pekka Rinne. He has been amazing in the Postseason so far. Going into this game Rinne was 12-4 with a GAA of 1.70. If Hank had a postseason like that, we'd still be playing.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 9:04 am EST

OLA.. That was more clear, I wasn't getting the context of the point you were trying to make. In regard to what you said: "The content of the clauses is not defined in the CBA period. It's possible to restrict these things, but it's possible for each player and club to negotiate any order of it that they prefer. Player X can be traded to any team with a goalie with name that starts with the letter P, would be a legal clause under the CBA. Hence you cannot say that a NTC means that a player cannot be traded anywhere but placed on waivers and loaned to a AHL team but a NMC means that you cannot be traded, waived or loaned." ...If I did argue that point, it wasn't intentional. I do realize that these clauses are fluid and not static, that there are about 20 billion possibilities/permutations and new ones are created every day (BTW, My all-time favorite is MLB's Matt Holiday whose NTC includes the Oakland A's and only the Oakland A's, no other team... He did not like half season there at all :) ... That said, once the contract is written, one can classify what that clause in their contract is, the terminology may be only may for us 'Laypeople', but it's still possible to classify it and that's what I'm talking about (I am sorry if it makes your ears bleed:). A similar example I could give would be, I wouldn't expect to go into a Lawyer's office and have him teach me everything about Tort law for me to better understand my trespassing case (not that I would ever do that:).

Rhet0ric


Tue May 30 2017 8:10 am EST

Vic: If none of our opinions count, why'd you feel compelled to express yours about Lindberg? ;^)

rf4l


Tue May 30 2017 7:53 am EST

Bob.........yes, and they are talking about him for the Con Smyth........does anybody remember Dryden, Parent,and even Richter (who didn't even win)

Newfie_Ranger


Tue May 30 2017 7:39 am EST

I've seen a lot of love around here for LINDBERG and I do understand it. The guy hustles, plays physical, never takes a shift off and isn't afraid to throw the puck at the net. He scored some big goals for the Rangers during the playoffs. BUT.....I can't say that I agree with anyone who suggests that he is ready for anything other then bottom 6 duty on this team. For all that he did in the playoffs I can't remember a single scoring chance that he CREATED by making a skilled play with the puck. He does not possess top 6 center passing skills, nor does he have the vision to create offensive chances for others. Sure, I don't want to lose him but of all of the guys that could get claimed by Vegas I think he is the most replaceable with someone like BOO, TAMBALINI or an off season acquisition. GRABNER cannot be easily replaced and I would not expose FAST either. STEPAN could be traded, as could HAYES. I won't get into pissing matches regarding opinions of either of those guys. It just isn't worth it and none of our opinions count for anything anyway. It is just wasted breath, much like most of the off-season rosterbation on the Internet.

Vic


Tue May 30 2017 7:25 am EST

Cats got jobbed on the first goal the rest is history. That rule needs to be updated. Does Toronto or the linesmen have a zoom to determine if the guys skate is off the ice ? It should be if his skate breaks the plane of the blue line. Probably guy's skating the puck in have that back skate in the air most of the time.

Stevielegs


Tue May 30 2017 6:47 am EST

trade: LOL...nope. I didn't watch any of the game.

rF4L


Mon May 29 2017 10:14 pm EST

Or winning the cup either.

Bob


Mon May 29 2017 10:10 pm EST

Pekka Rinne. 2 cheapies and 4 against on 11 shots. They aren't willing the cup with goaltending like that.

Bob


Mon May 29 2017 10:02 pm EST

RF4L...u blasting some TRIUMPH....."Lay it on the line".....as u watch Crosby?

tradestar28


Mon May 29 2017 10:01 pm EST

melfred: It helps when you have one of the best players in the world leading the team. I get the dislike many have for Crosby but he is a very very good hockey player and among the many things he is doing lately is making everyone around him better. I think several years ago that couldn't be said of him but he's older now and more experienced and overall a more complete player. It seems to matter little who he plays with - they all elevate their games when with him. It's not a coincidence.

rF4L


Mon May 29 2017 10:01 pm EST

Rangers don't have a fuckin Guentzel laying around the shed? Where's Kreider? Learning his 4th language? Pig Latin? JT Miller? What does the JT stand for ? Jerkin Tug? Kevin Hayes? He the drummer for the Robert Cray band?

tradestar28


Mon May 29 2017 9:55 pm EST

So where do the Pens find guys like Guensel and Rust?!

melvillefred


Mon May 29 2017 9:18 pm EST

The Rangers scored some good goals this passed season with Nash and or Kreider in front of the net as a screen or as a distraction... It seems to happen so few and far in between with this franchise that when it does happen it becomes a big deal.... "IF" we can trade for 1 RHS D'man, sign Shatt, and move Girardi & Staal alond, that is a major overhaul of the Defense and a substantial rebuild for the Roster........ Sign a guy like STEWART as the 13th forward in place of Glass, is another big step...... Add in one more likely move to the forwards, and that's plenty of turnover for one offseason.. jmbroken record opinion naturally......

mf


Mon May 29 2017 8:37 pm EST

This summer is going to have to be the summer of defense. They will need to recreate what amounts to a disaster. I think of this summer as a team that has McD, Skjei, hopefully Smith, and a Holden who is more of a 6-7. It's that bad. Somehow, you are going to have to turn 2-surefire NHL defenders and make them six. I can't see Staal and Girardi being back. Maybe, one of them in reduced role. But both? Klein? Eegads... there is a lot of work to do on the blue line. And who? Graves? Maybe... not in position to say. But I truly believe Smith is a great fit and more of the type of defenseman they need. A good skating, physical, and skating guy. And they need to be able to generate more production from the blue line. That's the whole summer. And given that this expansion draft has the atmosphere to create one of the most active summers in a while in terms of trades if done right this could be the rare moment that you can rebuild on the fly with a defense that has good contract numbers and upside. Hopefully... this is Gorthor's big summer of change.

E


Mon May 29 2017 8:34 pm EST

Wonder how Nashville feels about playing Pittsburgh and the refs.

Bob


Mon May 29 2017 8:25 pm EST

E: Interesting post.. thanks for sharing your thoughts.... just curious to your point, the fact players are sacrificing their bodies setting the double-screens you mention qualifies as crashing the net that leads to goals... Even though the player in front isnt directly scoring, the approach and outcome are effectively the same... that is what maddens me so much about the NYRs is all the perimeter play which leads to goalies getting easy shots to defend...

schneidw


Mon May 29 2017 8:24 pm EST

Preds learning a bitter lesson about playing the Pens in a game that matters...The officiating is with them too....

PJ


Mon May 29 2017 8:18 pm EST

MF: no doubt. And again I don't think you are necessarily wrong. But going by my eye test in watching games and how they've been evolving it seems to me that traffic on net in the classic sense of an Adam Graves, Gilles, Tkachuk old Skool PF mold has been supplanted by double screens etc... it's just so hard to get a puck inside now. So many players selling out their bodies, legs etc... I think it's easy to overrate crease crashing. Like thinking in terms of the game in the past as opposed to how it is now. Traffic is important. But does it require a specialist type? I don't think so. My premium would be on size, speed, and puck possession long before that. I'm not looking to play the puck in the crease. I'm looking for those high % scoring areas and guys who can finish. Again, I'm not putting the kabosh on the crease but the stats don't reflect that teams are seeing nearly enough production from it. And secondly, I'd love to see an updated chart. I did see one earlier this season somewhere and the New York Rangers scored their fair share of goals from those high % areas. They were not the prancing nancies on the perimeter that we sometimes invent in a vacuum when being hypercritical. I just wouldn't know where to get the chart.

E


Mon May 29 2017 8:09 pm EST

the fix is on....

topovski


Mon May 29 2017 7:45 pm EST

Nashville was robbed of a goal

tlats


Mon May 29 2017 7:43 pm EST

NHL fix is in bs not offsides

Stevielegs


Mon May 29 2017 7:36 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/29/15705516/new-york-rangers-must-expose-stephan-to-let-young-lindberg-season-and-grow-and-fix-team

mf


Mon May 29 2017 7:09 pm EST

Wow ! Hags is a healthy scratch for game one.....a very expensive healthy scratch.......you've come a long way baby .

Newfie_Ranger


Mon May 29 2017 7:01 pm EST

E: I think you'll agree that it is next to impossible to quantify how many goals are scored from any distance as a result of traffic & distractions in front of the net. "IF" the lane is clear such that the goalie has a clear view, plays his depth and angles properly, he's going to make the save.....

mf


Mon May 29 2017 6:51 pm EST

Arc amen

Stevielegs


Mon May 29 2017 5:16 pm EST

MF: I here what you are saying re: net front but I think you are overvaluing it. According to NHL.com in the past season 2015-16 only 21% of goals came from inside of 10' of the net. And that's pretty low. By contrast 34% are scored from 10' to 20' And that might read a little into why teams are now setting double screens more often with the outside forward getting the redirect and the inside taking away the goalies eyes. And 18% of shots come from the points. So, in the macro shots from the point are almost as high as rebounds in tight. It says something about where the game is now. And when you consider that the New York Rangers were 4th in scoring the eye test might be screwing with you a little bit. Wanna know what the issues are right now? PP, PK and defense. The New York Rangers were 18th in GA and had a 19th ranked PK. And a paltry 11th on the PP. in other words. This is the New York Rangers in a nut shell. A team abysmal on special teams, that can ring up the goals at even strength and pretty much are weak in every facet of the game. So, to digress a little this summer is all about defense. I'm not saying that you're wrong about net front presence but I do think it might be overvalued. Certainly the stats (with a little reading of the tea leaves) don't make a strong argument that net front is a big issue. I think goalies ability to control rebounds is at an all time high. Goalies abilities to smother down pucks and stop plays are better now than at any other time I can remember. We don't live in a Curtis Joseph, Mike Richter type era any longer where goalie athleticism was more important and you could be such a rebound machine. Now, hits the goalie and they are on it or they at least sweep it clear with the defense blocking you out. Especially, on a team that scores so much at even strength. Where I think we can make the argument on goals scored by traffic is on the PP. I don't know how that's quantified. That'd be a good question for Steve Valliquette who lives for advanced stats. But I think the premium now is getting the goalie moving right to left. And that's why you see so many teams playing the high umbrella during the PP. this way they can stop the defenders from taking time and space and just play zone hockey. And you have long cross ice passes that really cause the goalie to move. And going down that rabbit hole I think that's why teams are all looking more and more at having that guy with a huge first step and serious wheels to keep teams honest. How many breakaways shorthanded do guys like Hagelin, Grabner, Hoffman, Cogliano, Marleau, Larkin to spit out a few names offhand.

E


Mon May 29 2017 3:55 pm EST

Dunno if this got posted here but it makes an interesting read, especially Ryan's take on toughness vs skill as the playoffs progress. https://www.theplayerstribune.com/bobby-ryan-senators-playoffs-why-not-us/

LeoS


Mon May 29 2017 2:55 pm EST

A few random thoughts leading into the expansion & entry drafts: In an attempt to bolster the RHS Defense I’m confident that Gorton will kick the tires on SHATTENKIRK…. A contract of up to $6.5 mill and 6 years is as good a figure as any to throw out there as a guesstimation, and if we could get him at $7mill or less over for a 5 year term that may be a bit more palatable…(supply & demand of top 4 RHS Dmen certainly driving up the price) ………………. Next: ERIK GUDBRANSON (RHS D’man) picked 3rd overall by the Panthers a few years back, is 25 y/o, has suffered a busted orbital bone, shoulder surgery, a busted “Right Thumb,” and had surgery to the “right wrist” to repair a ligament…………. Is this guy worth attempting to trade for? Vancouver must rebuild, I have never seen GRAVES play, nor am I a talent scout, but considering our depth at LHS D’men, would Graves for Gudbranson be a good trade for both parties? …….. Next: What does Dallas want or need for the 3rd overall pick? …….. I find myself teetering between trading Stepan or Hayes but lately it’s trading Hayes……. I just don’t see him being proactive in improving his development, I see him as being “reactive.” I love how he can play keepaway with the puck and create room with his long reach, but a guy like ZUCC does the same thing employing a long stick…. Hayes is just too effin slow for my liking too…… So, today I’m in the trade Hayes camp and promote LINDBERGH to 3rd line / 4th line center depending on who we can bring in AS A center…… Does Dallas have an interest in or need a Kevin Hayes because I’d like to see us land this kid Gabriel Vilardi………… RICK NASH: stated previously that he would not accept a trade to a Canadian Team…… I’d like Nash at $5mill but at $7.8mill on the last year of a contract you got to visit moving him…… Jordan Eberle at $6mill per has recently been mentioned, perhaps with the ascent of the Oilers Nash would reconsider them on his acceptable list, and perhaps the Oilers like the fact they they get out from under a Longer Term contract in Eberle…… Nash would push Lucic down a line and would certainly help in the Team Defense side of the equation which has alluded the Oilers….. Also, Nash gets a big weight lifted off his shoulders behind McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, ………… EBERLE (2yrs remaining at $6mill per) is a RHS and has “LETHAL” potential on the PP………. So, if we could sign Shattenkirk, trade for Gudbranson, draft VILARDI, construct a trade of Nash for Eberle (sprinkle in any peripherals to make it work)…. Trade or buyout Staal & Girardi, we are well on our way to retooling, reshaping, continuing the youth movement of the Rangers……… Lastly: Right Handed Shots & both UFA’s to round out the roster: Chris Stewart has moved into the “Traderator’s Spotlight,” and so has Patrick Sharp….

mf


Mon May 29 2017 1:59 pm EST

Sure hope we take YAMAMOTO in the draft. Mostly because I really love fishing with Senkos.

Limbo


Mon May 29 2017 1:33 pm EST

Vic- that's a great stat about 37% goals against the rangers scored in the last 5 min of games this playoffs; Aside from this denoting the resolve of the team (equivocal with prancing pansies imo) THIS IS ALSO INDICATIBE OF FAULTY TACTICS BY COACH!!!! His shortened bench, Hos moving Fast up to every line, His going into defensive shell/ not finishing teams; all these even if they didn't work, this dipshit kept going to the same well. For all his success, AV has a (self imposed) ceiling- a la Roger Neilson. They can make all the changes they want and we can go through every roster permutation -----> Rangers will not win the cup with AV: the faster we all accept this the better it will be for our mental health

_Arc


Mon May 29 2017 1:29 pm EST

Not only would I like to see Pittsburgh lose, but I would like to see Martin Erat win the Conn Smythe trophy.

Bob


Mon May 29 2017 1:10 pm EST

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Ranger47


Mon May 29 2017 1:01 pm EST

Great to hear the opinions on DAY, hopefully not longer than another year in Juniors and a year in the AHL has him prepped for the big club. McDonagh / Skjei / Day down the LHS, where do we play GRAVES or does he even make the squad? ..... With an amateur's eye I was also watching GABRIEL VILARDI (RHS-Center)..... Vilardi is a real good skater, seems defensively responsible, he hustles, he goes to the net, and both at even strength and on the PP, he found the open lane and has his stick cocked back for the one-timer, "how refreshing!" ..... This kid may not be a generational talent, however if we approach the draft looking for the best player on the board AND for need, Vilardi could fill both criteria and if he's not the best player remaining, he seems to be close to it......

mf


Mon May 29 2017 11:19 am EST

TD...one can only assume it was also his not overly impressive play with his former club. Hard to say because until yesterday I'd never seen him play. You'd think one of the teams with multiple 2nds woyld have taken him. Glad it didn't happen tho! Agreed he looks like a genuine prospect.

Rf4l


Mon May 29 2017 11:19 am EST

TD...one can only assume it was also his not overly impressive play with his former club. Hard to say because until yesterday I'd never seen him play. You'd think one of the teams with multiple 2nds woyld have taken him. Glad it didn't happen tho! Agreed he looks like a genuine prospect.

Rf4l


Mon May 29 2017 11:01 am EST

I watched all of Windsor's games so I could see Day. The kid is a superb skater. The few times he carried the puck was impressive, yet it was clear he was focused on playing D. He looks like quite a prospect.

Bob


Mon May 29 2017 10:55 am EST

RF - yeah, know all about it. Still seems strange so many teams passed on a kid that has clear first-round talent. Like him dropping to where he was in the third round is just silly given the package he offers. The only criticism I could offer on him right now is that for a guy his size and strength he doesn't play nearly as physical. Wish he could spend some time with Shea Weber to better that aspect of his play. Everything else is on the money. A genuine blue chip prospect...to think: the Rangers may could end up with two absolute scores with Day and BUCHNEVICH.

tdchi


Mon May 29 2017 9:22 am EST

stevie: Yeah, I posted a similar article right after the Rangers picked Day. Sounds more like a case of a young, very sensitive, and perhaps immature kid who wasn't ready for the challenge/pressure that comes with the exceptional status title who then got overwhelmed due to family issues vs anything more serious than that. And perhaps he's just not quite as good a player as he was projected to be 4 years ago. If so, there's no shame in that, especially if he ends up having a solid NHL career.

rF4L


Mon May 29 2017 9:15 am EST

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/ohl-steelheads-exceptional-player-sean-day-opens-up-about-life-off-the-ice/

Stevielegs


Mon May 29 2017 8:43 am EST

TD: Do you know the story behind Day and where the concern about him being a headcase comes from?

rF4L


Mon May 29 2017 8:33 am EST

OAN: Rangers should give Darren RADDYSH a look. Righthanded defenseman, 21-year-old assistant captain of Erie. Had a monster year...16 goals and 81 points. He got a sniff from LA and San Jose, but no contract. Granted it was in his fifth year in the OHL...so gotta take some of those numbers with a grain of salt. But if all it takes is a contract and some money? Sign him.

tdchi


Mon May 29 2017 8:25 am EST

Goat of the CHL award goes to Dylan STROME. Man, what the F happened to this kid?! Guy has beastly numbers, but couldn't bring home either a WJC gold or an OHL title.

tdchi


Mon May 29 2017 8:15 am EST

re: DAY - Actually, there's a very good chance he'll be with the Pack this fall because he's already completed four years in the CHL. Because of his 'exceptional status,' he shoehorned a year in at 15. If he comes to camp and looks outmatched, they could always return him to Windsor. And there's always a chance he earns a spot out of camp...the kid's game is pretty honed already...But I suspect what will happen is he'll start with the Pack and then be loaned to Team USA for the WJCs...which would be excellent, IMO...Think he's pretty much a shoe-in to make the U.S. squad...on last night: The key thing I noticed is that in a one-goal game where Erie was pretty much piling on, Windsor coach Rocky Thompson was sending Day out every other shift. That's a real good sign there, that the kid has the goods defensively. And from what I can tell, he played a very solid game. My personal view is that his greatest offensive talent is less his ability to carry the puck, but his shot. As has already been mentioned, the kid is a beast. He's got a very hard, accurate slapper, which is something the Rangers could really use on their blueline...especially on their power play. This was a kid who probably should have gone in the late first round...early second at the latest...but teams figured he was a head case. And he may be. But he's not letting it impact his play, that's for sure.

tdchi


Mon May 29 2017 8:06 am EST

Does anyone know if Day can be farmed out to the AHL vs having to go back to junior? Is there a rule that says if a kid has played 4 years (or more) that's the case? FWIW, unless he dominates, I'm hoping he has to go back to junior - he certainly hasn't dominated in junior and it would be nice to see him jack up his offensive stats in junior in his final year vs playing less minutes for the Pack. And if the Pack are woeful again all the more reason to go back to junior. Now if he dominates in camp that's another thing.

rF4L


Mon May 29 2017 7:45 am EST

"Day, who was born in Belgium before his family moved stateside, has skated in the OHL for the last four seasons, after he was just the fourth player ever to be granted exceptional status by Hockey Canada to play at age 15. He selected No. 81 overall by the Rangers last spring." ... keep your fingers crossed, this kid has real potential....

Stevielegs


Sun May 28 2017 10:38 pm EST

MF! No doubt.. NYRs havent had a winger to the net with any degree of effort and skill since Adam Graves.....

schneidw


Sun May 28 2017 9:12 pm EST

Watched part of the Memorial Cup final thereby getting my first viewing of Sean Day. A few immediate thoughts: Damn, he's one big boy! Also, seems quite sound positionally and didn't do much in terms of rushing with the puck - I'm going to assume it's because he was paired with the Russian kid Montreal drafted first round last year and his forte, I believe, is as an offensive d-man. Finally, fluid skater. All in all encouraging for sure. He's got a year of junior remaining (will turn 20 next January) so it will be interesting to see how he progresses next year, especially if the Russian kid sticks with MOntreal.

rF4L


Sun May 28 2017 8:57 pm EST

Sean Day is a Memorial Cup champ with Windsor . but kinda weird for us here in London cause we beat Windsor in the first round this year... but as host they automatically were in ...

sjw


Sun May 28 2017 6:48 pm EST

Also on the Spitfires is GABE VILARDI (RHS CENTER) projected to be a top 5 pick in this seasons Entry Draft, Vilardi doing a bang up job in front of the net which lead to a PP goal..... "Can we trade with Dallas for their #3 pick?"

mf


Sun May 28 2017 6:29 pm EST

Re: Hayes to Calgary with the thought of reuniting Hayes with Gaudreau with an eye on Hamilton coming our way has been kicked around here a few times And is bound to come up a few more, so I took a look at their roster…………………………… On Defense they have GIORDANO (LHS), DOUGIE HAMILTON (RHS), BRODIE (LHS), BARTKOWSKI (LHS), WIDEMAN (RHS-UFA), STONE (RHS-UFA), KULAK (LHS-RFA)…………….. Of these D’men, they will most likely protect Girdano, Doug Hamilton & Brodie & then leave Bartkowski “Uunprotected”………………………………….. On Offense at the Center Position they have: MONAHAN (LHS), BACKLUND (LHS), STAJAN (LHS), Freddie HAMILTON (RHS), SAM BENNETT (LHS), LAZAR (RHS) …………. Calgary seems pretty set at the center position and will continue to be if Sam BENNETT can continue to improve at the NHL level………… On a surface review I don’t see us as a great trade partner for Calgary especially so if Monahan & Gaudreau are on the same line & they’re clicking………….. Any of you folks that follow the youth movement have any input regarding CURTIS LAZAR? This kid is a RHS Center listed at 6’ & 209LBS, looks like he could benefit from ½ a year in the AHL, & then be a good 4th line center, thoughts? http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10251

mf


Sun May 28 2017 6:29 pm EST

Rhet: thanks for posting the link about the Spitfires & Day...

mf


Sun May 28 2017 6:14 pm EST

Watch Sean DAY and the Windsor Spitfires play for the Memorial Cup here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK1ASgPEal8

tdchi


Sun May 28 2017 5:59 pm EST

Rhet0ric - Yup, feel the same way about HAYES. I've liked the guy since before he was Ranger property. But in truth, I think his game is what it is. I don't think he's going to end up being an elite player. Maybe a guy who lands mid-50s in points. Solid NHLer...but nothing elite....You look at his stats in three years in the NHL and they're fairly consistent. Had a good rookie year, sophomore slump and then a nice rebound...but never have I gotten the feeling he'll take the next jump...I wonder if they could use him as a package to get Sean MONAHAN...would be a scary step for Calgary to take...but if they could reunite Johnny Hockey with his college mate and maybe get a couple of other nice pieces...though I think he's about as untouchable as they come in Calgary.

tdchi


Sun May 28 2017 4:50 pm EST

St.Legs: Don't stop there, one must consider Baby Silverspoon Dolan's limitations.. Why hasn't Sather been fired or asked to retire?

mf


Sun May 28 2017 4:01 pm EST

Rhet0ric- No, you are still misunderstanding this. Just listen to what I tell you, I never speak about stuff that I have no clue about. What you referred to is a section in the CBA stipulating that clauses restricting trades, loans and waivers are allowed in contracts, and that these contracts may never stop buy-outs (ie a clause forbidding buy-outs wouldn't be allowed). The content of the clauses is not defined in the CBA period. It's possible to restrict these things, but it's possible for each player and club to negotiate any order of it that they prefer. Player X can be traded to any team with a goalie with name that starts with the letter P, would be a legal clause under the CBA. Hence you cannot say that a NTC means that a player cannot be traded anywhere but placed on waivers and loaned to a AHL team but a NMC means that you cannot be traded, waived or loaned. The terms NMC/NTC has no meaning, it's up for the parties to negotiate it. For example, limited trade to 15 teams, waivers allowed but no demotion is perfectly possible.

Ola


Sun May 28 2017 2:51 pm EST

Hayes has played well for parts of the season and I would be reluctant to give up on him just yet. Of course, he played with Gaudreau at the Worlds and played pretty well, while mostly playing with Grabner and Jasper Fast in the playoffs while Miller was on the 4th line. Unless Gorton can move him to Calgary for a killer return so he can play with Johnny Hockey I would mot move him.

Bob


Sun May 28 2017 2:19 pm EST

What amazes me is that most give ass vipe gets a pass . He is the conductor of that bad symphony and he gets sympathy. Every year it's the players. Then why have a coach? To take a bow if they win ? The titanic had a great orchestra and the captain rearranged the chairs. Insanity reigns.

Stevielegs


Sun May 28 2017 2:15 pm EST

MEMORIAL CUP: HOW SEAN DAY WAS REBORN IN WINDSOR..... http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/memorial-cup-how-sean-day-was-reborn-in-windsor

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 2:00 pm EST

TD.... Zuc had 1 more point than Stepan in the entire postseason. Is that all it takes to go from being sub par to being terrific? People will point to Step's contract and say they expect more from him, but if Zuc were a center and they were up for new contracts at the same time, they would probably be making the same type money.... Also.... JMO, but one guy I want to trade this season is Kevin Hayes. I don't think this kid is ever going to figure out what he wants to be when he grows up. I think we need to move him before it becomes obvious to other GM's as well. Jimmy Hayes already looks like somewhat of a bust and will be left exposed in the coming Expansion Draft. I would not give Kevin a bigger payday, it has mistake written all over it. As always, I do hope to be proven wrong.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 1:38 pm EST

TD...I agree. Anytime I see someone say we should leave Stepan or Hayes exposed for the Expansion Draft I chuckle a bit. Like i've said before, the only way I would leave either guy exposed is if we first had a deal in place. This guy with JT Miller was a new one on me. People need to separate their biases for players before making nonsensical exposure decisions. I am not giving up value for nothing if it can at all be helped. Grabner could be at risk if another team comes to LV and says we'll give you this and this if you pick Grabner for us. However, I still think it's either Lindberg or Fast that get's taken.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 1:19 pm EST

As for Vic's posts...I can't disagree. This season was actually a bigger disappointment than last season, since we actually had hope...and we actually should have won. Too many passengers on the Rangers and not enough leaders...And while I read a lot about the lack-luster play of STEPAN and KREIDER, I've yet to read anything about the guy who is supposed to score big goals: Rick NASH. But with exception to ZUCC, I think all the forwards seriously underperformed...there are, however, some perfectly reasoned explanations for this...and it starts with the weak-ass defense...I'll throw another name out there for blame: Jeff GORTON. He had all season to figure out a solution to what ailed the team's defense and ultimately its special teams...and the best he did was Brendan SMITH...was clear early on this team was going to need its offense firing on all cylinders if it was going to win. And the Rangers forwards, I feel, ended up needing to cover for the warts on D. You can't have three defenseman doing everything...especially when none of those three is a guy who can move the puck...Truth is, the Rangers covered up a lot of warts. They needed a fix. They got a patch. I don't think they'd be advancing to the finals had they vanquished Ottawa. I think they'd be exactly where Ottawa is...doesn't absolve them of losing a series they should have easily won.

tdchi


Sun May 28 2017 1:13 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I have a hard time taking any "writer" seriously who says the Rangers might move/expose JT MILLER...As for who the Rangers will lose, take the names FAST, LINDBERG and RAANTA and throw them in the hat. One of them will be the guy heading to Vegas. I don't think there's even an issue with who they will protect on D. Then again, a lot can happen between now and the draft. My theory is they will see what they can get for HAYES on the open market. And if they can get something good, they'll move him and protect Lindberg. I could also see them dangling Hayes to Las Vegas in the hope of not shedding any of the others...People keep saying GRABNER...but why would a team select a guy in his 30s after a career year?

tdchi


Sun May 28 2017 12:58 pm EST

Sorry VIc, that last post was meant to be addressed to you.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 12:56 pm EST

NICK... The real problem in the series was that Hank played his best Hockey in the two 4-1 wins. Games where we got a quick lead in and then poured it on. The rest of the games? Too often was he pedestrian. Too often did he give up the soft goal when we needed him to be at his best or hold a lead. He never had a performance like Anderson did in Game 5 of the Pitt series. When he willed his team to that victory. Opening up the lane so Hank can see the shot if not enough anymore. We need a truly stifling defense that smothers the defensive zone so Hank sees less shots If we're going to compete in the immediate future.. JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 12:55 pm EST

IMO Radulov is an anchor contract waiting to happen. Buyer beware!!!!

Rf4l


Sun May 28 2017 12:22 pm EST

I posted all of that to show that if someone is making the argument that the Rangers just ran into a defensive buzz saw and couldn't generate any offense it is a false narrative. That may have been true of the Pens vs the Senators but it was not true of the Rangers vs Senators series. And that doesn't even count the incredible number of breakaways and odd mad rushes that the Rangers did generate against the Sens but failed to score on. Nobody does that to them....but the Rangers did. Do you want to know why the Rangers lost that series???? They lost that series because of the 19 goals they gave up in those 6 games, 7 of the goals came with 5 minutes left in the 3rd period or in overtime. That is a whopping 37% of the goals that they allowed in the series. That screams CHOKE. It makes me think that there isn't much you can do that is going to right that ship. Any team that is capable of crumbling that badly is weak to the core....

Vic


Sun May 28 2017 12:17 pm EST

MF.... It came down to Detroit and Montreal for his services. Detroit decided to pass and go for a cheaper option in Vanek instead. and he went where he could made the most money on a 1-year deal. This is the same guy who walked out on the Predators twice. IMO, Now that he's proven himself after his NHL return, Radulov will go wherever he can get the most money and most years. Personally, I wouldn't sign hm to more than a 1-year deal if I thought he could help us in the postseason. Otherwise, I would just pass.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 12:01 pm EST

And still more fun with numbers...The Pens average margin of victory in their 4 games was 2.5 goals/game. Their average margin of defeat in 3 games was 1.66 goals/game. The Ranges average margin of victory in their 2 games was 3 goals/game. Their average margin of defeat in 4 games was 1.25 goals/game.

Vic


Sun May 28 2017 11:59 am EST

More fun with numbers...The Rangers biggest blowout win was a 4 to 1 game. The Pens biggest blowout win was a 7 to 0 game. Remove those two games from both series and here is what you have. The Rangers scored 16 goals in the other 5 games of the series for a 3.2 goals/game average. The Pens scored 10 goals in the remaining 6 games of their series for a 1.66 goals/game average.

Vic


Sun May 28 2017 11:20 am EST

schneidw: I'm thinking that Radulov & Montreal will want to continue their relationship.... Weber rallied hard to endorse Radulov when he returned from the KHL and still had a negative stigma about him, so from that perspective, he may owe Weber one, and they are a playoff team so he may re-up there

mf


Sun May 28 2017 11:14 am EST

VIC--Very well said. No way they should have lost to Ottawa. And to come out completely uninspired in a must-win Game 6 at home is inexcusable.

Bob


Sun May 28 2017 10:44 am EST

Let me throw this out there as well. The Pens scored more then 3 goals against the Sens only once in 7 games. The Rangers scored more then 3 goals against the Sens in 4 of the 6 games. Let that sink in....

Vic


Sun May 28 2017 10:32 am EST

Vic- agree with much of what you said. I don't understand Kreider, or Stepan's lethargic play either- which is why I think this team needs to shuffle the deck a bit.

PUCKYOU


Sun May 28 2017 9:28 am EST

E: I disagree. The Rangers were far better then the Sens and dominated large swaths of that series. They didn't struggle to score. The Rangers scored 20 goals in 6 games for a 3.33 goals/game average. By contrast the Sens scored 19 goals. The Rangers were not shut out in any game. They were held to 1 goal only once and 2 goals only once. The Sens were held to 1 goal twice and 2 goals once. The Rangers had leads going late into the game on 3 occasions and lost those games. This wasn't a case of the Rangers being choked to death by a stifling team. This was self destruction. This was lack of heart, lack of desire, lack of concentration and in many cases....lack of giving a shit. I haven't watch a second of hockey since the Rangers were eliminated and I won't watch a second of the finals. I am still absolutely furious with the entire team and coaching staff. I've never had a problem letting it go in the past but I can't let this go. They should have destroyed the Sens in 5 games at most. They were on their way to doing that before their multiple, epic collapses. They could have beaten the weakened Pens and should be in the Finals right now. They had the talent to be there and they were healthier then anyone in the playoffs. There are no excuses. There is no justification for what happened. They simply blew a series that had no business even being close. And the one image I cannot get out of my head is KREIDER all of the sudden playing like he cared in the last 20 minutes of the series. That will be the lasting impression that I have for this team. The thing I will never be able to forget. Because it is all anyone needs to know about this team. They mailed it in until they were about to be eliminated. They were looking ahead and unfocused on the task at hand. And they didn't play with the heart, intensity and desire necessary to win. They gave it away......They gave it away.....

Vic


Sun May 28 2017 9:26 am EST

OLA.... In my last post, I gave you the defined meaning of what a NMC is directly from the NHL CBA itself. it's in there just like UFA or RFA are. How can you claim they don't have any meaning or that they were made up terms for the media? The term NTC has been defined and used in Major Sport Leagues for years. These terms are also found in Sports Law books. Is this terminology used in the actual contract language themselves? Who cares? You can still interpret what type of clause it is from the Lawyer-ese. The reason why clauses are misreported in the media is because the NHL and agents never release those specifics and everything we hear is second or third hand information at best. From sources that never actually got to read the contracts themselves.

Rhet0ric


Sun May 28 2017 5:21 am EST

E I give credit to the otters for what they accomplished and the same for the playpens. The nyr are underachievers. I really believe it's the culture of msg enforced by veenyo who is not a playoff coach. And most of his players followed suit. Very few played up to their abilities. Unless you believe they did and were just not the better team. Then they need to be gutted to wipe out the guys who didn't play up to their abilities. That's a character and confidence issue. Unfortunately stepan became the poster child of that, and he had plenty of company.

Stevielegs


Sun May 28 2017 3:25 am EST

Rhet- Because of terms like "it can be listed as a NTC but it is in fact a NMC". Just saying, those terms has no meaning. The NHL don't send agreements back because it's unclear if it's a NTC or a NMC. Those terms don't exist, you might as well call them Banana clauses and Strawberry clauses. It's of relevance if someone is a RFA or UFA because those terms has a defined meanings under the CBA. Why does this matter if there are defined meanings assigned to these terms used by media/on the internet that does not exist? Take the Expansion Draft for example. I saw numerous arguments like "Nash has a limited NTC so he can be exposed, but Y has a NMC so he have to be protected". If people understood that these definitions don't exist they wouldn't make false assumptions like that. Since there is no definition of a NTC, it's a made up term, we cannot take the report of a player having a NTC as definite proof or what that in fact means. Do you follow?

Ola


Sat May 27 2017 10:00 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/27/new-york-rangers-2017-draft-profiles-callan-foote/

mf


Sat May 27 2017 7:22 pm EST

Which New York Rangers’ veterans are on the chopping block?..... http://www.yardbarker.com/nhl/articles/which_new_york_rangers_veterans_are_on_the_chopping_block/s1_7899_24041986

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 5:17 pm EST

OLA... I don't know how we got here. I also don't know what the point of the discussion is anymore... From the CBA....11.8.. (c) A no-move clause may prevent the involuntary relocation of a Player, whether by Trade, Loan or Waiver claim. A no-move clause, however, may not restrict the Club's Buy-Out and termination rights as set forth in this Agreement. Prior to exercising its Ordinary Course Buy-Out rights pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC hereof, the Club shall, in writing in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, provide the Player with the option of electing to be placed on Waivers. The Player will have twenty-four (24) hours from the time he receives such notice to accept or reject that option at his sole discretion, and shall so inform the Club in writing, in accordance with the notice provisions in Exhibit 3 hereof, within such twenty-four (24) hour period. If the Player does not timely accept or reject that option, it will be deemed rejected.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 4:33 pm EST

R.I.P. Gregg Allman ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68X8o0S7vJc

mf


Sat May 27 2017 4:32 pm EST

Rhett- You can call it a banana clause if you want, just saying there is no definition of or meaning assigned to the terms reported in media such as NTC/NMC... ;)

Ola


Sat May 27 2017 3:31 pm EST

Look I think it is obvious the Rangers need to aquire players that know how to elevate their game in the big moments like in the playoffs. The core lacks killer instinct, lacks that ability to put away teams early. They have shown for many years now that they tend to play down to the level of their opponents allowing teams they are beating and outplaying to stick around in games and in series. That is what breaking up the core means to me. That, and getting out from under a few of these terrible contracts.

NYStranger


Sat May 27 2017 2:57 pm EST

Good primer for the NYR Expansion Draft..... Rangers Expansion Draft Preview, Part 1: Forwards.... http://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-expansion-draft-preview-part-1-forwards/ .......Rangers Expansion Draft Preview, Part 2: Defensemen and Goaltenders.... http://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-expansion-draft-preview-part-2-defensemen/

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 2:48 pm EST

FOOD FOR THOUGHT: Per Pierre LeBrun‏Verified account @PierreVLeBruN a couple of days ago.... Contract talks expected to resume next week between Ducks and Cam Fowler's camp. So far this season talks have been positive. (con't).... All signs point toward an extension although nothing is done until it's done. Can't officially sign until July 1 (one year left on contract).... Obviously if an agreement gets done, has impact on Ducks' expansion draft plans.... This means The Ducks are probably looking at protecting the following: ....Forwards.... 1. Corey Perry (NMC); 2. Ryan Getzlaf (NMC); 3. Ryan Kesler (NMC); 4. Jakob Silfverberg; 5. Rickard Rakell; 6. Nicolas Kerdiles; 7. Antoine Vermette (NMC) ....Defense.... 1. Kevin Bieksa (NMC); 2. Cam Fowler; 3. Hampus Lindholm ....Goalies.... 1. John Gibso.... That means that BOTH Sami Vatanen and Josh Manson would be left exposed in the expansion draft.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 2:07 pm EST

OLA... Why yes, yes you can. Do Lawyers try to muddy the waters by being vague? Sure they do. That's why contracts get kicked back for the language and the League asks them to clarify it before making it official. They can list the players clause as a NTC but he also has no movement to the minors and no waiver movement, but once they do that, it's actually a NMC. No matter how they want to describe it. Also, what you described in your example is a limited NMC. Anytime you talk about a clause that covers something other than just No Trade, it's some form of NMC. It doesn't matter how they describe it in the contract. To clarify: we are only talking about the NHL. Off the top of my head, the NHL is the only Major Sports League that uses the terminology 'No Movement Clause.' Everyone else uses some variance of NTC.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 1:40 pm EST

Rhet- Yeah but that is the internet version of it. You get a piece of paper on it, you can write anything you want on it. As far as I understand, it would be perfectly possible for example to have a contract that did not allow any trades but a player could be put on waivers albeit not demoted. You can have a contract that allows the club a trade to any other team but not waivers and demotion. And there are other situations too. Before the expansion draft -- the NHL set up an ad hoc review crew to decide which contracts permitted players to be exposed or not. Because these clauses reportedly differs a lot. Hence you cannot say that a NMC means this or a NTC means that. It's not a standard clause for which you tic the box or not, neither of them. At least as far as I know.

Ola


Sat May 27 2017 1:14 pm EST

It's almost like these stories the past couple of days have come from people reading the wall.... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/27/15702824/trades-that-could-improve-rangers-defense

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 1:07 pm EST

"So what constitutes breaking up "the core?" ....MF.... This is probably the best explanation I have seen.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Rscu_RfOAg

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 11:59 am EST

So what constitutes breaking up "the core?" Does removing Staal & Girardi, then trading for RHS Defenseman AND signing Shattenkirk.... then signing or trading for a forward to fill the void of losing Fast or Lindberg (preferably with a RHS), AND signing Chris Stewart another RHS as our 13th forward, does this qualify as breaking up the core?

mf


Sat May 27 2017 11:23 am EST

Stevie: with all due respect, do you think Pittsburgh is a better team than the New York Rangers? I think they are. They have true superstars in many places other than between the pipes. And yet, they couldn't play their game against Ottawa. It is what it is. Very hard team to play against. But anywho... and no Veeyo is not getting fired so you can put that one to bed. You're stuck.

E


Sat May 27 2017 11:15 am EST

GORTON: (1) Trade Kreider for Trouba (2)Sign Radulov (3) Unload Girardi or Staal (4) Protect Fast

schneidw


Sat May 27 2017 10:52 am EST

MF.... You have to protect anyone with a NMC but you don't have to protect anyone with just a NTC. The exceptions to this rule are if a player agrees to waive their clause or if their clause expires or changes to some form of a NTC on July 1st (and only a NTC). It doesn't affect a player like G because while his full NTC turns into a Limited NTC on July 1st, the rest of his NMC (ie. waivers or being sent down) stays in place so he has to still be protected.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 10:20 am EST

Why I am interested in the details of the NMC's & NTC's by mf: Because I'm curious to know how if any this may affect any and all teams ability to maneuver in preparation for the upcoming expansion and entry drafts...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-SjeLlRhts

mf


Sat May 27 2017 9:52 am EST

Rhet0ric - Totally agree. And frankly, I think what gets lost in any conversation about STEPAN is that this is a guy that is an integral part of the core. He and McDONAGH are leaders on the team, for good or for bad. And as much as fans argue the series against the Sens indicates a need for a reboot, I would wager a fair amount to say the Rangers are no more looking for a core reboot than they are to rebuild. My thinking is that GORTON has been tweaking this roster for the better part of two years and that the days of making knee-jerk go-for-it-now moves(i.e. YANDLE, STAAL and MSL deals) are over...he seems to be moving methodically with a long-term game plan in mind...I don't see moving Stepan as a means to correct anything wrong with the team.

tdchi


Sat May 27 2017 9:17 am EST

TD... In regard to G: He has to give us a list officially on July 1st of 15 teams that he would not accept a trade to. I'm sure if we asked, G would give us the list before the expansion draft. He might refuse, but I kind of doubt it (it's only like 2 weeks early). Girardi also might waive his NMC to be exposed to the Expansion Draft(we should at least find out). Of course we would only need him to if we traded for another defenseman that was protection worthy. In regard to Staal: I don't know what Staal will do. We need to sit him down and tell him we're moving in a different direction(towards youth). He might be willing to give us a list of teams that he'd be willing to accept a trade to instead of being bought out. Buyouts haven't been kind to most defensemen. They usually seem to end up with 1-year deals for a lot less money.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 8:47 am EST

TD.... The original point I was making was that Stepan's NTC is not a big deal. Wanting to trade him to avoid a NTC kicking in is just plain silly. With a NTC we still have leverage with him and options; we can still put him on Waivers, send him down or leave him exposed for an expansion draft (there may be another one in a couple of years) if we needed to.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 8:27 am EST

Not sure why we're focused on the intricacies of NMCs and NTCs...If it's because of STEPAN and whatever contract perk that's kicking in this summer, I don't see that being much more than an ancillary concern with whatever the Rangers decide to do with him. I simply don't see why they would move him simply to avoid said contract clause...if they were that concerned about it, they never would have never given it to him in the first place...Again, I can't see the Rangers taking a lateral move with Stepan...and really the only move I see them making would be to get a serious impact player in the middle --like MacKINNON --I don't see him getting moved...and if we're talking about GIRARDI or STAAL and/or their willingness to waive said clauses...well, that's a different story.

tdchi


Sat May 27 2017 7:53 am EST

OLA....So I'm clear, I am talking specifically about NTC and NMC only..If you give someone a NTC and then give them the ability to not go on waivers, it's then a NMC with a NTC. NTC's only prevent you from being traded. Nothing else.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 7:44 am EST

OLA... i have no idea what you are saying.

Rhet0ric


Sat May 27 2017 2:56 am EST

Rhet- I missed the start of your discussion, but I am fairly certain that Wild is right on how a "NMC/NTC" is worded. Ie there is no box that you tick for either one. Instead the parties have been given leeway to negotiate it. As you know, you can't move a comma in the SPC and this is an addendum to it.

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 11:14 pm EST

MF... i always liked Kerry Fraser, even when I didn't agree with his calls :) I always felt he should've been put in charge of NHL Officiating. He's also usually right on the mark with his observations.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 11:05 pm EST

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/former-nhl-referee-kerry-fraser-reveals-shocking-details-on-the-officiating-during-the-playoffs/?ref=seb

mf


Fri May 26 2017 10:42 pm EST

Article makes references to what we're discussing here about the mechanics of preparing for the expansion draft: http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/article/rumor-roundup-maple-leafs-among-others-should-have-eye-on-vatanen

mf


Fri May 26 2017 9:16 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/26/15697052/the-economics-of-vegas-expansion-part-3

mf


Fri May 26 2017 8:14 pm EST

I said before the season started that we should trade Kevin Klein before he went into decline. Too late now....... 'New York Rangers: What to do with defenseman Kevin Klein'.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/26/new-york-rangers-kevin-klein-trade-rumors/

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 8:09 pm EST

New York Rangers: If Fast is drafted, his replacement could be in-house... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/25/new-york-rangers-fast-drafted-replacement-house/

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 7:03 pm EST

WILD.... You are totally wrong. I have read the CBA more than once and while I am not a lawyer(nor do I play one on TV), the CBA does not say anything like what you are claiming. There is no verbiage for Movement Clauses. NMC's quite often do contain NTC's but the opposite is not true. Just like NTC's do not prevent you from being left unprotected in the expansion draft. It's possible that a player's clause was misreported when he signed a new deal and his limited NTC was actually a NMC with a limited NTC in it, but a standard NTC does nothing to protect you against waivers. It's why they came up with the NMC in the first place. There were too many ways for teams to get around the NTC.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 5:27 pm EST

Actually more accurately they are MCs....they are movement clauses. The are all looked at the same way by the NHL, if a player with a movement clause comes up in a trade call, the league attorneys look at those stipulations to ensure the proper paperwork os being filed to allow the trade under the CBA.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 5:23 pm EST

Rhet:the guy who drilled it into me is a legal person who works on player contracts from multiple sports including the NHL. He is not and agent but one of the background folks that makes sure nothing is missed that has to be in a contract....basically he helps write the standard contract stuff that needs to be in every deal and has to make changes as rules and other things like cap changes. What we call and places like the cap websites call a NTC is just NMC with trade stipulations.....the NHL doesn't file them any differently than what we have always called NTC. There are pets of them that are common like "on (blank date) the player will provide a list of (blank number of teams) that they (will/will not) accept trade to" then there are things written in for individual contracts, like a player could agree that they can be assigned to the AHL but they need to be exposed to waivers every 90 days or something like that which is not the norm. But upswing the terms you are talking about. Stepan has a NTC that takes away all but one option for the Rangers....sending him to the minors. He must approve any move to a team he goes to.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 5:19 pm EST

E if the nyr played the otters like they played the habnots they would have beaten them. Instead they reverted back and let them dictate the tempo. Plenty of blame to go around..... is veenyo fired yet?

Stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 4:45 pm EST

MF: The problem with a team like Ottawa is that they grind you into their speed. The New York Rangers did not get loose enough, they didn't take advantage of their opportunities. The right team won. For sure. And ill go on hating Ottawa and hope for some of the structural problems get fixed. Ill hate this Sens series forever. And even if the Montreal Canadians series was lost I would have enjoyed it because that was everything good in hockey.

E


Fri May 26 2017 2:35 pm EST

WILD... whomever drilled it into you had it bass akwards... Per Cap Friendly..... A No-Move Clause (NMC) has the following properties: ...Player cannot be traded without his consent (however, the clause can specify a modified no-trade clause that limits the NTC to a certain number of teams) ...Player cannot be placed on waivers without his consent ...Player cannot be assigned to the minors without his consent ....Player is not exempt from a buyout or contract termination ...The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers ...This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent) ....If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified ....If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause. .....A No-Trade Clause (NTC) has the following properties: .....Player cannot be traded without his consent ....Consent is not required to be placed on waivers ....Consent is not required for assignment to the minors ....Player is not exempt from a buyout or contract termination ....The clause can travel with the player even if he consents to being traded or is claimed on waivers ....This requires that the acquiring team sign an addendum to the contract ensuring that the clause does in fact travel with the player (written by the player's agent) ....If the acquiring team refuses to sign the addendum, and the player waives his clause anyway, at that point the clause may be nullified ....If the player is traded before the clause takes effect, the acquiring team can opt to void the clause. .....https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#nmc

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 2:02 pm EST

Rhea: Stepan must OK any trade...he can't be waived because that would be moving teams if selected....the Rangers must get his OK to move him to any team.....

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 2:00 pm EST

The AVS would more likely go for a Miller and Graves for Landeskog type trade.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 1:54 pm EST

WILD... Again, that's a NMC, not a NTC. NTC's only prevent him from being traded, that's it, nothing else. He can be sent down, waived or left exposed in an expansion draft with a NTC. When you have that kind of leverage, IMO, a NTC isn't that big of a deal. The reason why player's like them is because it gives them a say in where they end up in a trade.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 1:49 pm EST

mf: Agree on Step, just doesn't have another gear, now on the flip side, he rarely has a lower gear....he is what he is, no matter the game, no matter the reward for winning, or the size of a loss. He brings the same game 95% of the time. The positive of that is that you know what you will get almost every night, the downside we have seen the last couple post seasons. As for the AVS, I wouldn't bet not hem biting on that deal...you would have to send younger players to get anything out of them right now....they want to get younger...and they want Blueline help as well. But younger is their first priority. Step and Eberle may not be old but they are not the kind of young the AVS are looking for. The AVS are open of business on the trade front, probably as soon as they figure out their GM situation, it appears they are looking for a guy to run that part of things and take over that stuff for Sakic, but as of yet no one is there, but once they are and they get started everyone will be available, but its going to cost dearly.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 1:33 pm EST

There's been recent talk about trading a defenseman & something for Eberle... Well if that can happen we can turn around and offer a package of Stepan & Eberle to Colorado for Nathan Mackinnon, just may bend the AV's ear.....

mf


Fri May 26 2017 1:32 pm EST

Rhea: Again I use NMC because officially thats what the NHL calls them in contracts, and it was drilled into me by someone. ALSO the next two years he needs to prove ANY move....its not until the 2019-20 season that he gives a list of teams. He can not be sent down, waived or traded without approving it after it kicks in this summer. Right now they can move him to anyone willing to trade for him, by the time July hits he will have full control.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 1:29 pm EST

Rhet: I typed, "We have some real good players, I don't think some of them can up it a notch in the playoff's" ........... I did not say that Stepan could NOT contribute, I am saying that he does not demonstrate a higher gear for playoff hockey. As for Hank, I didn't bring him up.

mf


Fri May 26 2017 1:26 pm EST

Wild.... I have the fix for you. Stepan doesn't have a NMC, he only has a NTC. Problem solved.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 1:19 pm EST

Here is my thing. Stepan would be moved before his NMC kicks in...I know that leaves a void, but there has to be a way to fill it....even short term. ON D we all know the options, and at least one buyout or trade needs to happen, probably 2 or 3, but it also depends on other teams and stuff (you don't want to spend to buyout Klein if you can just hold onto him and trade him at the deadline or something like that) Now there are others that we could look at to move up front. The list is long. Nash, Hayes, Miller, Kreider and Zucc are all on that list according to different people...Zucc is on few peoples lips when talking trade, but I think he would be higher on my list that most others. As for Hayes, Miller and Kreider....I wouldn't move any of them doing the summer unless the deal is really good. You give them the chance to up their game, and if they don't do it it enough you move them later in the season. Now if you move Step and you can package lets say Hayes and Miller to get a young top 2 C back...OK, thats the type of move you make. Open cap space, get a different mix down the middle. Have ZBad, the new C, Lindberg and a UFA vet down the middle. You have some turnover on wing of course as well, but thats OK as well.

Wildcard


Fri May 26 2017 12:38 pm EST

MF... That's apples and oranges. If Stepan has a bad series it means he's not scoring, but he can still contribute defensively... If Hank has a bad series, how else can he contribute? We're toast.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 12:27 pm EST

Ola true and not true alias opinions. But veenyo kept putting stepan out there for faceoffs and he wasn't doing very good. His lack of use of Lindbergh was baffling in some games and the same with skiej Shea . He decided ice times not the players. Sorry but I'm convinced he's not a good playoff coach . That does not let the players off the hook either. The way 3 of those games were lost is inexcusable for all involved.

Stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 11:25 am EST

Stevie- Many say like "the coach kept putting guys out there that he should have known couldn't get it done". That is just not correct. No matter who we put on the ice, we give up a goal basically every 50th shift or 30th minute. It doesn't matter if its Staal or Girardi or Smith or Skjei on the ice. There is no reason whatsoever to expect us to give up a goal with a minute left. There is always a risk, but the risk is small. Blaming loses on who plays what shifts and stuff like that is just extreme nitpicking and backseat driving IMO. Ice a team that has a fruitless game plan, that can't execute in different areas of the game etc -- that is bad coaching IMO. I think AV's work mainly can be questioned in two areas. (i) The turn the other cheek approch. (ii) Our man-man defense, sometimes we are all over the place and loses players in front of Hank. Shouldn't happen as much as it especially did last season. There have never been a coach a live that couldn't be called out for details like we are talking about here. If you let in a goal late, why didn't this guy play instead of that guy?

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 11:18 am EST

stevielegs- I just think that those mistakes you point towards are really really marginal. More or less the danger of doing business. Any player you put on the ice with 45 seconds left of a game can score an own goal. If a game is lost by an own goal with 45 sec left -- was it the coach's fault for putting the player on the ice? He had 18 others to choose from...

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 11:17 am EST

E: my point is that the Rangers should have brought their play in the Montreal Series to the Ottawa series and not the game plan which Ottawa brought.... The Rangers did not, and they seemed to not be well enough prepared to combat Ottawa's trap D from the onset of the series...

mf


Fri May 26 2017 11:14 am EST

Hypothetically (and assuming LV would agree to it), would anyone offer a "deal" to LV for them to select Holden or Klein with us giving them our #1 for their #3? Or another way to ask it is what is the value of Lindberg (assuming LV was going to pick him if left exposed) versus our #1 draft pick at #21 in the draft? Can we hope for more than "Lindberg" from that pick. Bird in the hand for the next couple of years versus one good (?) one in the bush later?

Ranger47


Fri May 26 2017 11:09 am EST

MF: the Sens didn't force the Pens into an overly rock 'em and sock 'me series so I disagree with your assertion. The Sens are a decently talented team that can choke the very life out of you if they get the lead. It's just who they are. PIT won that series barely thru puck luck. They manufactured chances but they spent so much of their zone gains being rode off on the sideboards. It was skating thru sludge in the neutral zone. But while hockey is hockey there is some flexibility need in style of play. MTL required a banging style of play. They wanted to play fast, hard, and physical. So you have to push back. The Ottawa series became an x and o's affair with AV constantly circling back behind the net and arranging breakouts to cut thru the neutral zone. It just was a lot more zone hockey. PIT suffered many of the same issues that the New York Rangers did. They just were tighter defensively and better equipped to burn you with star players and their support system. Its hard to get a physical forecheck going if every time the other gets the puck they just lob it out of the zone till they get you to overcommit and then they quickly head up ice with numbers. They win when you get frustrated into a mistake.

E


Fri May 26 2017 10:57 am EST

any on the nyr ? nope....so far....

stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 10:56 am EST

Greg Beacham‏Verified account @gregbeacham Follow More Hampus Lindholm and Sami Vatanen need major shoulder surgery, Ducks GM Bob Murray says. Lindholm will be out 4-5 months, Vatanen "longer.

stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 10:54 am EST

kid k woke up in the last period of the last game. he played better when he was a rookie.

stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 10:34 am EST

..hear...

Ranger47


Fri May 26 2017 10:33 am EST

I'm of the opinion that Kreider was injured rather than unmotivated. If not, I'm baffled. He certainly played with emotion and physicality most games I watched this year. Hopefully we'll here more after the draft(s).

Ranger47


Fri May 26 2017 10:29 am EST

Rhet: and that is my issue with Stepan

mf


Fri May 26 2017 10:26 am EST

MF.... "We have some real good players, I don't think some of them can up it a notch in the playoff's though".... That has been my issue with Hank, he has no upper gear and often get's outplayed by lesser goalies in the post season.

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 10:13 am EST

Montreal forced the Rangers into playing a physical series and the Rangers won... The Rangers play surprised all here, and probably the Rangers too... Had the Rangers brought that play to the Ottawa series, the Rangers would have won in 6 or fewer, the issue with Rangers is they can respond to that type of play and come out the victors, but they can't or don't initiate or dictate that style... The blame for not initiating lies at the feet of AV, the blame for the execution of the play lies at the feet of the players........ We have some real good players, I don't think some of them can up it a notch in the playoff's though....

mf


Fri May 26 2017 9:43 am EST

Ola the coach kept putting guys out there that he should have known couldn't get it done. and then says he forgot 2 of his d men. going down to 3 lines was a decision that backfired, from a coach who claims you need to roll 4 lines to win. if he won he gets the credit, lose it's the players fault....it's both fault .....

stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 9:36 am EST

Ola: Good post. It does kinda remind me of the old adage chicken or the egg. You have a coach that controls things tightly and that's working in part because your leadership core isn't rife with energy players who might balk at such a style. The problem with such a core is something I think we're seeing too often with the Rangers - too controlled and emotionless and therefore, often unable to fire things up and break out of the pattern. Look at Boucher yesterday screaming at the officials after that bogus call on Phaneuf (interference on Kessel that was ridiculously borderline). Can you imagine AV doing that? I sure can't. S

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 9:03 am EST

RF4L- Yeah I know that everyone is pretty disappointed in the players too. And its not like I don't think AV can be questioned, its not about that. But -- overall up until the absolute deciding moments the last handful of years AV has managed to get very good results. He runs a very controlled and tight ship, and is always very focused on the end result. And it has paid off in terms of pts in the standings. In terms of winning PO series. On the counter side of this, there is a legitimate argument questioning if AV's controlled style cripples the team from raising its play to the levels necessary to go all the way. Right? Which I think is fair and I also think -- while everyone express their opinion differently -- this is kind of the basis of everyone's problem with AV. Which I also think is fair. After we lost against Ottawa, the notion out there going by reactions is definitely that this was AV's fault. Nothing will ever change when he is in charge. We are too passive. I just think that it is clear as day that if the PLAYERS play as well as they should have had -- we beat Ottawa. Quite easily too.

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 9:02 am EST

Nashville's Johansson is out.... Hope they can heat the Pens

mf


Fri May 26 2017 8:42 am EST

No one, I believe, is putting the blame solely on the coach. The argument is that the coach shares in the blame - if not, why go behind the bench at all for games? Why so afraid to bench under-achieving veterans? Why continually throw out Stepan on the 1st PP unit when he's in a total funk and bringing the PP down? How can a coach escape all blame for something like that?

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 8:41 am EST

2017 NHL Expansion Draft: Bribing Vegas Will Not Be Easy.... http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/26/15680692/2017-nhl-expansion-draft-new-york-rangers

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 8:32 am EST

Okay, the Sens gave a veteran team like the Penguins with Crosby and Malkin on it everything they could handle and pushed them to double OT of Game 7. Anderson outplayed Hank and their star player(Karlsson) was amazing. We had no answer for him. I know it's en vogue to blame everything on the coach but a veteran team should not need a coach up it's a$$ to perform in the postseason..

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 8:23 am EST

Ola - You can't purse out blame to the coach or the players without also heaping some on the coach and/or the players. AV's part of the blame comes in not being able to fix the special teams, despite having six months to do so. And I think he's also to blame for not recognizing that GLASS, though effective in his first two games, had shifted to ineffective and really should have been scratched in both...regardless, there was plenty of blame to go around and an opportunity squandered. I'm not sure what would have happened with the Rangers-Pens. Really, Gorton created a team that was tailored to fight the Pens. I do think they could have beaten them, especially if Ottawa lost in seven...but all speculation. Hopefully Nashville has a sack and can prevent this travesty from reliving itself.

tdchi


Fri May 26 2017 8:17 am EST

RF4L - LOL. So now +/- is what is separating one of the AHL's leading scorers from being a viable prospect? I don't think JENSEN was in the bottom ten on the Pack, much less the league. And if we're going to assess how bad that trade was, then you should really look at what the Ducks got back in exchange for HAGELIN, which is 35 games of David PERRON. I think the Rangers did pretty well, considering they got two, and possibly three prospects for a third liner who was as good as gone. Not sure how this goes down as one of the worst trades ever, but go ahead and explain your take furthre.

tdchi


Fri May 26 2017 7:55 am EST

This may help out the Ducks in the expansion draft..... Per Greg Beacham‏Verified account @gregbeacham..... Hampus Lindholm and Sami Vatanen need major shoulder surgery, Ducks GM Bob Murray says. Lindholm will be out 4-5 months, Vatanen "longer."

Rhet0ric


Fri May 26 2017 7:53 am EST

Ola...just so we're clear: I totally concur that the players are at fault too, especially the core players. There's plenty of blame to go around! If nothing is done about it then the bulk of the blame will shift to Gorther.

Rf4l


Fri May 26 2017 7:44 am EST

RF4L- Yeah you are right, a coach can of course always be questioned and AV is not excepted. My take however is that Ottawa can be a very tricky team to play against, but we drew up a game plan that worked, but just did not deliver. So given that any coach of course always should be held accountable for a PO series loss -- I still think that the HUGE problem this season in the POs was the huge number of core players that just sucked.

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 7:28 am EST

Ola: Of course not - by why not respond when the team sucks for 2 periods? Why not bench someone? I realize in game 6 in the 2nd round of the POs that might be too late but it surely isn't in game 16 of the regular season. Or game 29. Or 34. Or whatever. I find it inexplicable not to include the coach when looking for reasons for a lack of passion for too many stretches. t started 2 seasons ago and hasn't gone away. It's a HUGE problem and no way does he not share in some of the blame IMO. Otherwise, what the heck is the point of having him behind the bench for games anyways? If his job ends at preparing the team, he may as well watch from Gorther's perch.

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 7:06 am EST

Ola....agree on your Player/Playoff performance summation...throw in Hank, Nash, Stall G-Man....and to some degree Zuc and McD....you're one comment was telling, "I would have blown a fuse"....our Coach didn't.

melvillefred


Fri May 26 2017 7:05 am EST

When we played our best hockey we were vastly better than Ottawa when they played their best hockey. I am pretty sure AV did everything in his power to get us to play to the best of our ability. Problem is -- guys like Hoffman, Karlsson, Turris and co went onto the ice and executed. A huge chunk of our core played extremely bad hockey. If that is on AV, we should pay AV 60m per year and the players 800k each...

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 7:03 am EST

RF4L- So you think AV told the team to play bad hockey for 2 periods in game 6 or what?

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 7:01 am EST

RF4L- But we didn't even remotely lose because we played passion-less hockey. We out hit and out worked Ottawa by a wide margin. Defend the last minutes of games, putting games away offensively -- what is the players supposed to do but that?

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 6:57 am EST

BTW, what evidence can you cite to back your argument that 'AV put a team on the ice that was vastly better prepared and better than Ottawa's team'? For me, it's the opposite. Hell in game 6 the Rangers didn't start to play well until the 3rd period!

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 6:57 am EST

The reason I get pissed off about it is because if there ever were a time players in NY should be held accountable -- its now. Chris Kreider is 26-27 years old, he had a golden route all the way to the Cup. He played with more or less zero emotions 90% of the time, like he was afraid to upset someone. When Kreider and Price race after a 50/50 puck -- Kreider turned away a kilometer before he got close to Price. When -- if not this year -- should he put things on the line? SICKENING. Derek Stepan just got a huge pay check and does absolutely NOTHING. He was tremendously outplayed by Hoffman, Turris, Plecanec and co. The guy was painfully horrible in the POs. Lets be honest. Slow. Created absolutely nothing offensively. KILLED on FOs. SICKNING. JT Miller played the last couple of weeks of the regular season like he was trying to gear up for the POs, one of few that cared, when the POs starts he is no where to be found. JT Miller will want close to 6m soon. What is the message to all these guys after this season? Oh do not worry guys. It was not your fault, you should just keep doing what you have done in the past. If you do not perform, its always -- every single time -- your coach's fault. I would have blown a fuse on him if I didn't wonder if he had like a broken rib or something. Hayes? What did he end with -- 0+3? WTF.

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 6:55 am EST

Ola: Do you concur that had the Rangers played better, they would have beaten the Sens? If you do, then surely you see why some feel AV is to blame? IMO, he's part of the problem, that problem being way too many stretches of lousy, passionless hockey. It starts with the coach, like it or not. It goes from there to the players, especially those considered as part of the leadership core. Now if you believe it's a roster issue, then yes, you can point out where the roster is lacking and then point at Gorther in terms of not addressing. I agree on paper the Rangers are better than Ottawa so yes, the Rangers in theory, should have beaten the Sens. They didn't because they didn't come to play a full 60 minutes each game.

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 6:49 am EST

stevie: If, if, if. I get the argument but the Rangers haven't kicked it up a notch with any regularity or consistency for 2 years now. It's now part of their MO IMO and why Gorther needs to cut at the core. Something significant needs to change or else is likely more of the same next year. The cutting should start behind the bench, but it's quite clear at this point that isn't going to happen.

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 6:48 am EST

I've given up trying to change people's opinion on these topics, but I just don't at all get how losing to Ottawa supposedly is AV's fault?? For me its more like -- if there ever was a loss of a series that should be put on the players (Hank included) and not the coach its that one. Its the players that are on the ice when there are a couple of minutes to go. Its Hayes, Stepan, Miller and Kreider who played with extremely little emotions and completely failed to deliver in the POs. I get pretty pissed of when I see the notion that it was AV's fault that we lost. Talk about completely writing a blanc check to the under performing players. AV put a team on the ice that was vastly better prepared and better than Ottawa's team, but the team didn't get it done. Time to look in the mirror.

Ola


Fri May 26 2017 6:47 am EST

Ottawa isn't dissimilar to the Rangers in that they have no number 1 centre - instead, 2 numbers 2s with Brassard (who did ZERO in the hockey I watched, which was about half of the series) and Turris. It's a rare thing indeed when a team without a true number 1 wins the cup - Boston is the only team in the recent past I can think of. What Ottawa has over the Rangers is of course, Karlsson and IMO, at least in these POs, better coaching. I say 'at least' because I wonder about the shelf life of the Ottawa coach - I get the distinct impression players won't tolerate him for an extended period. For this year and these POs, however, he put on a superb display of coaching - he instilled a system and the players stuck to it. Hell, there was a clip shown last night of him giving Brassard crap on the bench after Brassard strayed away from that 1 forechecker and 3 in the neutral zone defensive style. All in all a fine showing by the Sens but no number 1 centre really hurts. I wonder how good Colin White will be? Could he eventually address that hole?

rF4L


Fri May 26 2017 6:46 am EST

Even though I doubt the nyr could and would have beaten the playpens, they should have been in that series instead of the otters. They kicked it up a notch . The nyr floundered.

Stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 4:24 am EST

Mfred hanky just won a medal . The nyr handed the series to the otters courtesy of ass vipe. They cannot afford to have a coach who cracks under playoff pressure and makes costly mistakes. Fishboy needs to go after players who kick it up a notch in the playoffs. Not shrinking violets like I'm skating in quicksand stepan fetchit while flapping his jaws 100 mph . He can call it retooling but they need a tuneup. The real problem is management and their culture , and bad leadership. Jimmyboy and sather are happy with this act , that's not good .

Stevielegs


Fri May 26 2017 12:01 am EST

MFred, if you want to compete for a cup next year the year after and the year after that, we're going to have to spend, and that means offering contracts that you want to shy away from...jmon

mf


Thu May 25 2017 11:32 pm EST

It also didn't help that Anderson outplayed Lundqvist.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 11:22 pm EST

Somewhere Betman is cracking Champagne.....imagine an Ottawa vs Nashville CUP Final.....ratings would have been below ground.

melvillefred


Thu May 25 2017 11:22 pm EST

Somewhere Betman is cracking Champagne.....imagine an Ottawa vs Nashville CUP Final.....ratings would have been below ground.

melvillefred


Thu May 25 2017 11:18 pm EST

Legs....forget behind the bench.....The King will be 35/36 you're carrying Stall and G Man looks like we'll lose Lindberg, Fast, Grabner or Rantaa.....this was a leaking ship and will be listing heavily to port next Season. Signing Shattenkirk will be disasterous....the guy will get a redicoulous contract and god only knows if we re-sign Smith to a non anchor deal.......not optimistic for the next couple of seasons. 1 CUP in 76 years and counting. Need new management and ownership.

melvillefred


Thu May 25 2017 11:14 pm EST

Agree with Hospo, no way was this team Stanley Cup material. We lost to the Sens because theyre a better team. We would not have beaten Pittsburgh.

wiosa


Thu May 25 2017 11:13 pm EST

Hospo...excellent summary post......I totally agree.....go Preds

melvillefred


Thu May 25 2017 11:13 pm EST

Hospo the biggest hole is behind the bench and until that's addressed the nyr will not be the better team.

Stevielegs


Thu May 25 2017 11:12 pm EST

Oh well. Good try Sens. Now I want Nashville to win. Dont think they will, but Im pulling for them.

wiosa


Thu May 25 2017 11:08 pm EST

Sens were better than the Rangers..Pens better than the Sens....barely....and would have beat the Rangers in 5...This wasn;t even close to the Rangers year...Way too many holes in the roster...All that being said...Eff the damn Penguins and Go Nashville

Hospo


Thu May 25 2017 10:56 pm EST

this was the Rangers year......they blew it big time.....Woulda beaten Pitt and then destroyed a decimated Nashville team.....AV u suck moose #@%&

tradestar28


Thu May 25 2017 10:53 pm EST

Rhet: Took long enough - easily the better team won.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 10:53 pm EST

Let's go Nashville cats

Stevielegs


Thu May 25 2017 10:52 pm EST

Jensen 2nd leading goal scorer. Which yes is impressive. Also in the bottom ten in the league in +/-. Bottom line either way is in 2 stints with the Rangers he was a big fat zero. Spin it all you guys want - bad trade regardless of who engineered it.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 10:52 pm EST

3-2 Pens. That's all she wrote.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:39 pm EST

Took long enough..... Dan Rosen‏Verified account @drosennhl 36s36 seconds ago .... They just showed the definitive replay on Kessel's clear no goal on the jumbotron.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:19 pm EST

Leedahl Takes 'Big Step' in Hockey Career With Rangers.... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/leedahl-takes-big-step-in-hockey-career-with-rangers/c-289606510

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:15 pm EST

Hopefully, the cup finals is over in 4-5 games.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:12 pm EST

Quick whistle for Murray.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:03 pm EST

So many shots on Anderson by Pittsburgh, I bet Ottawa wins.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 10:00 pm EST

Kessel pulled a Hagelin.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 9:59 pm EST

NHL REF's: Penguin goes down, you must blow the whistle.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 9:34 pm EST

Wildcard: I think you're undervaluing Marc Staal. Also with this expansion draft year, the supply of players is diminished... Look, I hope he'll waive, the NYR's have been very generous and treated him well.....

mf


Thu May 25 2017 9:28 pm EST

While there are certainly more than enough things about Pittspuke to hate.......the more I see of that dope Malkin......the more I can't stand him.......

Badboy409


Thu May 25 2017 9:26 pm EST

Ottawa Scores 2-2 ! awesome

mf


Thu May 25 2017 9:25 pm EST

Poor NHL and NBC, but Ottawa tied it. 2-2.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 9:23 pm EST

NHL Official: 'A Penguin went down, I better blow the whistle."

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 9:21 pm EST

Kessel should have been called for a dive on that penalty. There have been 50 worse interference infractions that went uncalled in this game by both teams and they wound up calling that. And yes I hate the effin Pens

fotiu22


Thu May 25 2017 9:19 pm EST

Just turned back to the game as Pittsburgh scored.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 9:17 pm EST

Big Brass Brassard pulling a Ranger...completely invisible.

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:42 pm EST

Does Pittsburgh know it's Game 7?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 8:39 pm EST

BTW, forgot to mention that G's Limited NTC starts this July 1st. It's also the first season of his Limited NTC.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 8:25 pm EST

MF....Wild is right in regard to G's list. It's due this July 1st, the team would just ask for it early(and he would probably agree to it). Also, there is no reason to ask him for his list early unless we trade for a defenseman that needs to be protected.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 8:24 pm EST

And I mean that...

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:23 pm EST

Karlsson is a pleasure to watch.

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:23 pm EST

Karlsson is a pleasure to watch.

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:23 pm EST

Karlsson is a pleasure to watch.

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:20 pm EST

When did you become the voice of reason in regard to trades? Guys with less character than Staal have agreed to be traded. If he did decide to go the nuclear route (which I'd highly doubt would ever happen) we could bench him until he has a change of heart. Normally when you talk to a guy like Staal and tell him the team is going to go in a different direction(youth), they suck it up and do what's best for the team and generally what's best for them in the long run. Most importantly, Defensemen that get bought out usually don't fair as well when they hit the open market as guys like Vinny Lecavalier did. Afterall, there is a reason they were bought out in the first place. For example, Matt Carle was bought out at the tender age of 32 and all he could get was a 1-year deal for $700k with the one team that was interested. He's now retired. This is after coming off a contract that was paying him $5.5 mil per season. Security matters just as much to players as the money.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 8:17 pm EST

Offensive snoozefest going on in Pissburgh....zzzzzzz

Rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:05 pm EST

mf: I believe that his list is good until the next list is made. So I think he has one now (or is this the first year he has that?) even so, I imagine they could ask him for the list early and he would give it...because if there is no list now, they can move him at any time. Contracts work on the hockey year, and we are still in it now. Unless of course there is something written saying that he can't be moved between the deadline and the new list being made or something.

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 8:03 pm EST

mf: I don't think Staal gets more than 1.5 per...teams will play hardball with him....likely 2 year 3 mil or a 3 years 4.5 or so mil.....I see him losing money on a buyout....or at least the risk of it, and that risk may get him to waive to a certain number of teams....maybe one of them will deal and the Rangers can get something for him...and if not buy him out....BUt if he is told he will be bought out, why would he risk not being able to get to his money or a team he really wants?

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 7:58 pm EST

RF4L: In fact no. I have spoken out against the Staal trade a few times. They gave up far far to much. At the time I said it was too much, but if he helped win the cup I wouldn't care....that was a BIG HUGE MASIVE "if" to make that trade OK. Also, 2 seconds for Smith if he resigns is a very good if not great trade. Trading for Smith with a longer term deal would cost a team a 1st and a 2nd probably...2, especially late 2nds is not that much to give up for a top 4 D.

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 7:10 pm EST

Rhet: Dollar-wise it doesn't make sense for Staal to waive.. Getting bought out gets him $3.8 mill per, and any new contract over $1.9 mill per year is windfall. I happen to think he can still command a 4 year $3.8 mill NEW contract which would net him an Additional $7.6 mill over the next 4 years, sweet! ..... If he is adamant about NOT waiving I hope he tells the NYR's as soon as possible so that the NYR's can determine whether they will buy him out "prior to" the expansion draft..... ""Question: can we trade Girardi prior to July 1st if he agrees to it?"" thanks

mf


Thu May 25 2017 6:28 pm EST

E... Personally, I think Eberle is overrated. Outside of McDavid and maybe Draisaitl, I really am not a fan of too many of the Oiler players (I may be forgetting someone) ....MF... It's easy to say we should have done something, but packaging both players in a deal is precarious at best. There were only a handful of teams that needed a goaltender when we traded Talbot and only two of those were really serious (one being Edmonton). Then you add Hagelin to the mix and I just don't see how it really would have helped us. In regard to Staal and G: I don't see Staal waiving his NMC to go to Edmonton though I do hope to be wrong. I also don't think we're going to get too much in return for him if we are fortunate enough to move him. The preference for both guys would be to trade them and only have to eat half their salary without having to buy either guy out. We could then be done with their cap hits in a few short years instead of double their remaining contract years in a buyout. I think the best case scenario is that we move Staal to a team that needs to hit the cap floor and eat half his salary and we move Gr with a prospect or pick to not eat his salary. Either way, we'll really get to see what kind of magician Gorton is this summer.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 5:37 pm EST

Rhet/E: If in fact Edmonton is interested in Staal / Giradi / Klein or a combo thereof in return for Eberle, IMO we just traded up in a big way in the quality of our trade chips and options.... We could turn around and trade Eberle, or put together a package for an upgrade at center... Obviously a trade of any of our Dmen changes our Cap dynamic too....

mf


Thu May 25 2017 5:21 pm EST

My issue with the Talbot & Hags trades were that there was an opportunity to package them, perhaps add a prospect & a pick to the bundle, and then trade up for a higher talent.... We are deep good but not upper echelon talent & we needed & still need top 3 talent.... jmon

mf


Thu May 25 2017 5:13 pm EST

Rhetoric: not on you mate. Not meant to sound like I'm shooting a messenger. It's just for me these fan boy guys write articles that are like an untrained Larry Brooks. They want us to be in on every single player. Regardless of anything else that remotely even makes sense or is possible. And especially a shrinking violet like Eberle. My hopes remain for more size, speed, and nasty. Especially in the blue line.

E


Thu May 25 2017 5:00 pm EST

RF4L - JENSEN was the second-leading scorer in the AHL. Simple fact. He was one goal shy of being the leading goal scorer. You can say he's a scrub...and if you're saying that, I'm gathering You haven't seen him play...but he's an NHL prospect either way....re: NATTINEN...38 points in 50-something games is a good season in the OHL? Sorry, but he's not half the prospect that GROPP is. And that's coming from someone who isn't exactly high ong Gropp. And that sixth rounder is in this year's draft...Rhet is on the money: People expected a lot for a guy who was a fan favorite. But no matter how you slice it, HAGELIN is a third liner. Not saying this was Gorton's finest work, but he got a prospect and a high second round pick, plus now another sixth rounder for a guy who was going to leave or sign a bad contract and a late second rounder. I don't know how you fault that.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 4:45 pm EST

For me Bad asset management is when you spend 2 2nd round picks for an Eric Staal and your stubborn egotistical Head Coach AV doesn't use the asset properly..... For me it is NOT bad asset management to spend on an MSL who helps you win an additional round or two of playoffs which entertains your worldwide fan-base... Fair price indeed...

mf


Thu May 25 2017 4:44 pm EST

New York Rangers: Draft Profile: Erik Brannstrom..... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/25/new-york-rangers-draft-profile-erik-brannstrom-sweden/

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 4:31 pm EST

TD... When we traded for Hellberg we were also desperate for a goalie in Hartford. Backs to the wall kind of thing, but lack of foresight by Glen Sather. In regard to Talbot, the problem with the return we got for him is that everyone had pie in the sky aspirations for him due to Dreger tweeting that Sather was asking for and most likely going to receive a 1st Rounder for him(I never knew Dreger was on Slats payroll).Goalies usually don't get a big return. The exception in recent memory was Cory Schneider and with only one real season under his belt, Talbot was certainly no Schneider. In regard to Hagelin: Just how much are we supposed to get for a 3rd line player? I think some NYR fans have unrealistic expectations. The Ducks traded him for one guy that only played 28 games in Anaheim and the other that they ended up waiving after a couple of weeks ....E.... I don't know who you're talking to, all I did was post a link to an opinion piece. Maybe you should leave a comment there?

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 3:57 pm EST

To me trading a 2nd and a 3rd away for 6 weeks of a player is bad asset management. I recall you defending vehemently the MSL and Yandle deals. It's what you do. Doesn't mean you're right of course. ANd for the record I've stated on here numerous times that if Smith is resigned, the deal is palatable. That's a big if BTW. You defended the 2 2nds for Eric Staal, too. That's another dumb trade IMO.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 3:37 pm EST

Wild: I'm a Gorton fan...just so it's clear.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 3:33 pm EST

RF4L: There ya go...search until you find something that you can say "SEE Rather is still in charge!!" No one...not one person thinks that Smith was overpaid for...not one...well other than you...becasue you think that a draft pick is more important today than a player of need....a few pointed out that if he doesn't sign and leaves as a UFA it will in retrospect be too much to pay for him as a rental...but if he signs some called it a steal....but oh no...not RF4L...two 2nds is too much to give up for a top 4D and a guy who seems to have really great chemistry with Skjei...I would imagine that if he signs, you will still say it was too much to give up...some how you think that you can get an NHL top 4 D for a 2nd, or less....but only if its the Rangers GM doing it while Sather is still around...if another team gives up that much the GM is a genius and proves why Rather is so bad.

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 3:28 pm EST

Gorton also got a 4th and a 6th for the rights to Yandle...he didn't make the original trade for Yandle so you can't put that on him, and he got more than most thought he would for a UFA. He got ZBad and a 2nd for Brass and a 7th. He also just recently got two guys for the Pack who are, while likely AHL lifers going to help the AHL squad. And he got Smith who while needs to sign to make the deal worth it, if he does, was a good trade, of course if he leaves a a UFA it will end up being an overpayment...but sometimes risks are needed with trades....but thats one that I think you take at the time. Oh and he got Holden for a 4th, and I think that was a steal...Holden has issues but top 6 NHL D usually don't go for just a 4th....and a late 4th at that.

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 3:26 pm EST

Wild: Believe me, I want Gorton to be solely in charge. I don't believe he is and keep saying it and citing examples, such as the Smith deal. Now all this talk about management meetings at his mansion on the coast. I am convinced he's still overseeing all non-minor decisions and that includes anything impacting the roster. I concur with you 100% that it was Sather's lousy handiwork in the Hagelin and Talbot deals. I saw those clips, too.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 3:22 pm EST

Guys come on..there is literally video of Sather talking with the Ducks GM, they shake hands and like 2 minutes later the trade is announced.....Sather made the Hags trade, Gorton may have been doing some of the pre trade work, but Rather is the one who finished it off and made the deal....again, they showed the two men talking on TV , they shake, walk away, then the trade is reported....I know that those who want things bad like RF4L so they can say "i told you so" want it to be Gorton so they can continue griping about management, but it was Sather.....add to that RF4L, the Rangers got more than Etem back and swapping picks...they got the ability to not worry about Hags cap hit moving forward and got something that had a possibility of turning out. And YOU are one of the biggest gripers about the Pack and their record, Etem got them a player that is belong down there and got them a 6th rounder back like they gave up in the Hags deal. You gripe that Sather gives up picks, and that even though it was just a 6th it was a big deal, Gorton goes and gets a 6th and a player that is going to help the AHL, and you want to ignore that because you want to pretend Sather is still running things, or that Gorton was making the calls before he officially took over.

Wildcard


Thu May 25 2017 2:59 pm EST

TD:the year we picked Gropp we also picked / signed something like 6-7 other youngster to fill the ranks... 1-3 months ago Gorton sign 2-4 players...... Some here just won't give Gorton any credits unless it's wrapped in bitters...... it is what it is.....

mf


Thu May 25 2017 2:42 pm EST

Also you lost me on the Rangers having the 2nd leading AHL scorer. Or did you mean the 2nd highest scorer on the woeful Pack? If so that's Jensens and it's only a matter of time IMO before he's out of the organization and playing in Europe. Hagelin, meanwhile, help Pittsburgh win a cup last year and very well may get to do it all over again in a couple of weeks. Gorther was asleep at the wheel on that trade.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 2:38 pm EST

TD: 2 things about the Hagelin trade: You say "ended up trading HAGELIN and a pick for GROPP, JENSEN and a sixth rounder in this year's draft". That is both not correct and misleading. First, the Rangers traded 2 picks in that deal and it including a swapping of 2nd rounders (41st and 59th). Second, the Rangers did not receive a 6th rounder in that deal. Etem sucks and so does Jensen - neither are NHLers so it boils down to Hagelin and the 59th pick plus for whatever reason (similar logic I guess to coughing up 2 firsts for MSL when Yzerman had but 1 team to negotiate with) an additional 6th (then again, nob for life throws picks of that nature more often that he takes geritol). The kid the Ducks picked with that 59th overall selection is Julius Nattinen and is coming off a good year with Windsor. He could very well turn out to be a better player than Gropp. The kid taken with that throw away 6th rounder is a goalie. You can defend Gorther all you want - by my books a lousy trade.

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 2:02 pm EST

Eberle? So, you want to move Zuc, Nash, and perhaps Buch and Grabner out of position? Nash plays left. Let's put him there. Oh wait! Chris Krieder, JT, and Vesey are there. What to do??? How about we just skip Eberle and focus on reality? Some of this stuff kills me. I think we should go out and get Domi, Tkachuck, and Dylan Larken. That will fix things!!!

E


Thu May 25 2017 1:52 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I think HELLBERG was kind of a Plan B for if RAANTA didn't work out. He was pretty highly regarded tender when he was drafted and I suspect the Ranger brass figured they could get some Allaire time with him and maybe reboot his career...But having watched him in the NHL and AHL these past couple years, I can say: He's not an NHL goalie by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe moreso than HALVERSIEVE or SKAPSKI at the moment, but not by much. Hellberg routinely gives up JUICY rebounds...just the type of pucks that will get blasted into the net nine times out of 10. Unless the defense in front of him is just absolutely regimented in clearing those rebounds, it's almost impossible to protect a lead with him in net. He played decent for the Pack in 2015-2016...ironically, I think a lot of that had to do with McILRATH being such a beast back there and keeping guys away from the crease...in short, I'm sorry we lost a sixth rounder for the guy...but "losing" him to the KHL is no loss at all. Score one for the Pack.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 1:37 pm EST

RF4L - Here's what I don't get: You blast Sather/Gorton for trading picks...but also for trading players for picks. The Rangers ended up trading HAGELIN and a pick for GROPP, JENSEN and a sixth rounder in this year's draft...Hagelin signs a $4 million per deal and still hasn't broken 40 points...Rangers now have the AHL's second leading goal scorer, a power forward who was instrumental in winning a championship with his junior team and the 157th pick overall. I understand folks wanting to package Hags with TALBOT to get something significant...but I still don't get how either deal was bad...Rangers were going to either overpay or lose Hags for nothing. They got two prospects with NHL potential and will have a crack at drafting another...isn't this the exact type of GM'ing you're always advocating for?

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 1:35 pm EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/25/15690576/the-rangers-should-pursue-a-jordan-eberle-trade-new-york-rangers-edmonton-oilers

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 1:22 pm EST

Hartnett: A 5-Point Plan For A Successful Rangers Offseason...... http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/05/25/new-york-rangers-kevin-shattenkirk-jacob-trouba-nhl-free-agents/

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 1:11 pm EST

mf: Yes. Very much so. What's your point?

rF4L


Thu May 25 2017 12:34 pm EST

TD... Yeah, The writing was on the wall for Hellberg. He's low man on the NYR depth chart and it's a pretty long list these days.... RF4L.... Gorton gut the entire Hartford team and replaced them with actual prospects (It''s no wonder they struggled last season), but he's gone a long way to re-stocking the prospect pool, with still a ways yet to go. This season he fired Ken Gernander as Wolfpack coach and removed Hartford GM Jim Schoenfeld (both Sather guys). He put his guy(Chris Drury) in as GM of Hartford. I'm guessing(hoping) he will be looking for a new head coach that's better at developing youth and maybe also an heir apparent to AV down the road. I also can't complain about the moves he made this season; Brendan Smith went a long way to help stabilize our defense (which struggled for much of the season). All in all, I think he's had a pretty solid season, but like I've said before, his biggest challenge is still to come.

Rhet0ric


Thu May 25 2017 11:33 am EST

RF: Don't you get tired of winning the Doom & Gloom reward?

mf


Thu May 25 2017 11:31 am EST

Rhet: I think Cody Franson is going to look to resign in Buff or Toronto may try to lure him back... I recall he resigned at a home town discount when playing with one of these two teams.... On that hypothetical, no reference to offense.....

mf


Thu May 25 2017 11:06 am EST

As mentioned on here a few times, it sure looks like the Ducks are going to lose a fine player to the Showers. Lindholm, Vatanen, Fowler, Manson as d-men plus Rakell and Silfverberg as forwards - it looks like 2 from that group cannot be protected. Will Murray try to move one or two prior to the draft for a return named after the draft?

rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 10:21 am EST

And agreed that Hellburg or whatever his name is for a 6th rounder was yet another example of frittering away draft picks. Yeah, it's only a 6th but add that to all the other picks nob for life has traded for similar zero returns and no wonder the Pack were horrid last year and the feeder system is so barren. RETIRE ALREADY!

rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 10:19 am EST

Gawd, if the Hagelin deal is Gorton's handiwork I shudder at what might transpire in the next few weeks. That was a terrible trade - basically Hagelin for Gropp and Nik Jensen. WTF! Just bad.

rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 10:15 am EST

In truth, I think Gorton has been calling the shots for longer than he's been 'officially GM'...The HAGELIN and TALBOT trades have Gorton's fingerprints all over them, like them or not. This is a guy who likes to build within...he was the short-term GM that basically put into place about two-third of the crucial moves the Bruins needed to win the cup...And while I don't think you'll see him moving key players for picks, I do think he's moving aggressively to build his farm system...and I think we'll see short term evidence of this when the Pack convenes next fall.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 10:06 am EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/mark-messier-backed-guarantee-of-new-york-rangers-victory-with-hat-trick/c-289583798?tid=282169076

stevielegs


Thu May 25 2017 10:04 am EST

So long, SIEVEBERG. Waste of a sixth-round pick. And proof that while Allaire is a genius, there are some causes that simply can't be helped.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 9:33 am EST

AlessandroSerenRosso‏ @AlexSerenRosso Follow More Goalie from #NYRangers system Magnus Hellberg signed a 1-yr deal with Kunlun Red Star. Welcome to #China and to the #KHL!

stevielegs


Thu May 25 2017 8:57 am EST

TD: I don't share your opinion on Sather's involvement. I hope you're right tho. We should have a better feel for this by the end of June. More sloppy trades and frittering away of draft picks and it's Sather mess. Do the right thing and cut at the core and acquire a couple of extra picks and I'll happily agree it's Gorton's team.

rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:26 am EST

RF4L - Not for one minute do I believe the management of this team is still Sather's. Gorton is calling the shots now. I'm sure he has input --he is still president. But trades, signings, et cetera...this is Gorton's team.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 8:21 am EST

re: the SHATTENKIRK link. See, this is why I love fan-reporters: "The only real drawback to signing any defenseman of Shattenkirk’s caliber is the financial commitment." Well...NO DUH! The FINANCIAL COMMITMENT. I seriously want to reach through my computer screen and throttle this guy. Yeah...because if Shattenkirk could be had for $2 or $3 or $4 million, he'd be signed by now. But reality is, he's going to cost more than $6 million...probably more like $7 million per...and that's going to be for five to seven years...so why even debate Shatty unless you can defend giving that kind of contract to the guy? Gah. Fan sites. Shitheads.

tdchi


Thu May 25 2017 8:01 am EST

Rhet: What has Gorton blown up of Sather's work, other than the Z for Brassard trade? Yandle wasn't resigned but that's got more to due with his salary demands than anything else. Boyle retired because he sucked. After that, what's really changed? It's this off-season where, hopefully, Gorton will really put his imprints on the roster although I remain a tad skeptical given what I believe to me nob for life's very active involvement. I will merrily admit I'm wrong if that's how it all plays out, however. IMO, an off-season of diddling should equate to a regime blow-out next year but of course, that cannot happen unless nob for life retires.

rf4l


Thu May 25 2017 8:00 am EST

http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/nhl-draft-rangers-first-round-possibilities-1.13660217

Stevielegs


Thu May 25 2017 4:42 am EST

Now Las Vegas is going to help the nyr cleanup their roster? And the 29 other teams too? What's that called rosterdiving? Bring out your dead .....Irving alias irvette must be behind this . Still doing those 3 ways? Keep your boots on.....veenyo is still playing with those balls...and using his saved timeouts on the golf course ... they should make him drive the cage car at the driving range with a target on it....

Stevielegs


Wed May 24 2017 11:41 pm EST

MF... I like this hypothetical better..... Per HockeyStatMiner‏ @HockeyStatMiner.... Here's a #NYR hypothetical: bundle Nash+futures so Vegas absorbs Girardi+Klein. Lock up Zib long-term. Ink UFAs Shattenkirk+Smith+Franson..... https://twitter.com/HockeyStatMiner/status/867443712451899394

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 11:39 pm EST

Per Alex Nunn‏ @aj_ranger ..... Vladimir Tkachyov - who will attend #NYR development camp this summer - wins the Alexei Cherepanov Award as KHL Rookie of the Year.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 11:24 pm EST

Gorton has already made his mark on this team, by blowing up a lot of what Sather had previously put in place. I like the direction he's taking the team, but his biggest challenges are yet to come. I'm still holding out hope that Sather will say F-it and retire in a couple of years.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 10:26 pm EST

LOLOLOL....suspect there might be s a lineup for those duties stevie...nob for life is the Overlord after all. LOLOLOL....

rF4L


Wed May 24 2017 10:15 pm EST

Was ass vipe sathers caddy ? Or he just washed his balls ?

Stevielegs


Wed May 24 2017 10:13 pm EST

Irving can you run in those go go boots ?

Stevielegs


Wed May 24 2017 8:34 pm EST

RF: Sather has his staff. And they are all empowered to do their jobs but he is still the president. So too be sure he has a say in everything and he could override anything. Although I do think today's teams are more committee run. Team philosophy, style of play etc... I'm sure they're all pulling in the same direction. But for all the back seat Sather has taken, he is still the guy running the NYR.

E


Wed May 24 2017 7:45 pm EST

MFRED/mf. LOLOLOL....mf, interesting proposition but dude, I'm waay too old to get involved in that sort of crap these days. Far easier in a multitude of ways to come on here and vent about him instead!!!

rF4L


Wed May 24 2017 7:20 pm EST

........leavin'......

melvillefred


Wed May 24 2017 6:59 pm EST

There's only one way to get rid of Sather, RF are you up to the task? Naturally if you're caught we will disavow any knowledge pertaining to your mission: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHaaF6IlhdY

mf


Wed May 24 2017 6:37 pm EST

RF4L.....he ain't leaven' until they take him out ti@s up......

melvillefred


Wed May 24 2017 6:06 pm EST

Geesh, all this nob for life references in these important team management meetings. I remain convinced that over the hill egotistical man is still overseeing all non-minor organizational decisions, including anything involving the major league roster (re the trade that landed Smith) and of course, coaching decisions. Gawd, I wish he'd just retire for good already.

rF4L


Wed May 24 2017 5:49 pm EST

Rhet: Ck my numbers please: if we traded Girardi ($5.5mill) for prospects or picks and bought out Staal (save 2/3rds of $5.7mill or $3.79 mill at least for the 1st yr) we would save somewhere $9.29 million....... Q: Can we buy the cup? We have $10.125 Mill in cap space, free up another $9.29 mill = $19.415 mill hope that the Cap goes up at least $1mill.... Lose Oscar to LV, Offer Shatty a 6yr $6.5 mill deal, Z'bad $5mill deal, Fast a 1.5mill deal, and see if Joe T & Marleau would sign 1 yr deals at $3.5 mill each OR to whatever max's out our cap....... Who's got the bong?

mf


Wed May 24 2017 5:05 pm EST

repost: http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/23/new-york-rangers-signing-kevin-shattenkirk-right-move/

mf


Wed May 24 2017 5:00 pm EST

She told me it was definitely AV. And another was definitely Drury. She didn't know who the others were. There was 8 altogether. Anywho, I think you can write off the dream that AV is going to be replaced. I told her to get a pic. She's not a hardcore Rangers fan. Just a casual watcher. But Sather is a long time member. Which FWIW homes are between 5-10 million to live there. Good to see that Dolan's money is well invested.

E


Wed May 24 2017 5:00 pm EST

She told me it was definitely AV. And another was definitely Drury. She didn't know who the others were. There was 8 altogether. Anywho, I think you can write off the dream that AV is going to be replaced. I told her to get a pic. She's not a hardcore Rangers fan. Just a casual watcher. But Sather is a long time member. Which FWIW homes are between 5-10 million to live there. Good to see that Dolan's money is well invested.

E


Wed May 24 2017 4:52 pm EST

Well if It's said that Pionk is a gambling defenseman, best he stay away from Vegas!

mf


Wed May 24 2017 4:46 pm EST

New York Rangers must bribe the Golden Knights to take Nick Holden.... http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/23/new-york-rangers-bribe-golden-knights-nick-holden/

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 4:39 pm EST

Defenseman Neal Pionk said that he chose the Rangers after visiting with the organization, meeting the management team and speaking with Alain Vigneault. (Duluth News Tribune).... It was reported when he signed that around 20 teams were interested in Pionk.... Pionk said that he likes the Rangers style of play as well as the success they have had the past few years. (Duluth News Tribune).... He said that that the atmosphere around New York was "electric" and that "hopefully" he can play there one day. (Duluth News Tribune).... It's said that Pionk is an "aggressive, hustling, gambling defenseman" but he was much more low-risk when playing with a defensive defenseman as his partner. (Duluth Reader).... John Gilbert wrote that Pionk has impressed "every scout who watched him" and that he is someone who combines his hockey abilities with "great instincts." (Duluth Reader).... Pionk is supposedly just an "okay" defender in one on one situations but he has "above average" toughness and physicality for a player of his size. (SBN College)

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 4:15 pm EST

E... Let us know what they're eating for lunch.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 4:14 pm EST

Irving what dress you wearing today ? with your Nancy Sinatra white patent leather boots. which bathroom do you use ?

stevielegs


Wed May 24 2017 4:11 pm EST

E thanks for the bad news. Maybe av will be fired at the 19th hole.

stevielegs


Wed May 24 2017 2:44 pm EST

A friend of mine who works at the Madison Club in La Quinta just texted me that Sather, AV, and a bunch of others just walked in to play. She is going to try to ID them when they come back.

E


Wed May 24 2017 2:01 pm EST

Rhet, I hear you, Nash may be more inclined to give us a hometown discount with a 3 yr Limited NTC though.... Nash at $5mill sounds good to me. whataya think?

mf


Wed May 24 2017 1:53 pm EST

MF... I like Rick Nash too, but I would be more inclined to bring him back on a year-to-years basis instead of a 3-year deal. Though he'll probably want one more chance to make some real money.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 1:43 pm EST

Sounds like a topic for, "KinkyBoots!" here stevie stevie stevie

mf


Wed May 24 2017 1:22 pm EST

Yeah but just imagine the fun we could have with "Is Joel dressed for Hank tonight?" comments...

LeoS


Wed May 24 2017 1:07 pm EST

In regard to bringing in a 35 Year old Joel Lundqvist to the NYR? Sounds like a great idea. Why don't we also add Mats Zuccarello's Uncle Lars and Rick Nash's Aunt Gertrude while we're at it. Who could stop us?

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 12:58 pm EST

Gotta admit signing Joel LUNDQVIST crossed my mind. And two or three years ago, I could have found some justification. But now? You're looking at shear gimmick. Good player, but he'd basically be Dom MOORE 2.0. I guess if STEP is traded, he could help fill the void. But I think the time to get he LUNDQVIST twins together has passed.

tdchi


Wed May 24 2017 12:24 pm EST

http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-expansion-draft-primer/

puckyou


Wed May 24 2017 12:06 pm EST

Question: Would a reference to the folks here as "Wall Wizards" interfere with any previous grand scheme of "The Wizard of Schnoz?"

mf


Wed May 24 2017 12:04 pm EST

Coyle & Dumba are both RHS.. Minny seems stacked down the middle and also on LHD, the latter has me thinking that Minny would protect Dumba over protectig a 3rd LHS D'man....... Coyle can play wing, Hayes & Stepan do not, so who are we dealing for Coyle? Rick Nash and eat $3.8mill because Minny is cap-strapped? ...... (this past season, Nash had his lowest ppg avg in a long while, and at $7.8mill per, it's too expensive. I've come to like and appreciate what Nash brings to the game and if there is a back room agreement that he's sign a 3yr $5mill deal after this contract, I'd like to hear what you Wall Wizards have to say)

mf


Wed May 24 2017 11:58 am EST

http://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2017/5/24/15683128/how-swede-it-would-be-to-bring-joel-lundqvist-to-new-york-rangers-henrik-lundqvist-brothers-sweden

puckyou


Wed May 24 2017 11:42 am EST

Rhet: I'm the same way but it's sucked for the past 4 drafts because nob for life traded away all those picks. At least this year, we have something to contemplate (who'll they will select with the 21st overall pick). Right now my favourites are the Russian kid and Nic Hague.

rf4l


Wed May 24 2017 11:24 am EST

Chris Nichols‏ @NicholsOnHockey .... Friedman: Couple of GMs told me "if Fowler hits the market, he’s probably a $56 million guy – 8 X 7." #NHLDucks

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 10:28 am EST

Steve Zipay‏Verified account @stevezipay ..... Zip's Picks: Rangers' first-round possibilities in NHL Draft http://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/nhl-draft-rangers-first-round-possibilities-1.13660217

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 10:21 am EST

The Rangers Expansion Draft Primer... http://fulltiltnyr.com/rangers-expansion-draft-primer/

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 10:07 am EST

Per Jamie Long‏Verified account @cbcjlong...... We're 34 hours before Game 7. Here are tickets available in Pittsburgh (mostly resale) on Ticketmaster. #StanleyCup #Sens #Pens

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 8:57 am EST

evets - Think that's some wishful thinking...you could probably shake either COYLE or DUMBA loose...but I kind of doubt they'd move both...and I really don't see them moving KUNIN...A guy who you might be able to grab is Alex TUCH. He's a very talented player. Physical. Ranger fans would very much dig his game.

tdchi


Wed May 24 2017 8:53 am EST

Good to see the Sens finally came around to dressing Colin WHITE...but man, to only skate him three minutes? Kid is easily the most talented player to not get a game yet this playoffs...ON a related note, the Senators, if they can keep the core they have together, will have a very tough team in a few years...White and Tom CHABOT...and Logan BROWN..that's a pretty nasty core.

tdchi


Wed May 24 2017 8:52 am EST

MF... I am generally the same way when the NYR are eliminated. 'Let's get the Cup Finals over with so I can start thinking about the draft' type of thing. Although I will say that June 17th does seem like a long way away.

Rhet0ric


Wed May 24 2017 8:47 am EST

mf - BUCHNEVICH is a totally different player. MALKIN is a beast on skates. He doesn't try to avoid physicality...he steers toward it. His goal last night is a great example of what he can do when his game is on. And unlike his whining teammate, Malkin doesn't cry or take a dive every time someone grazes against him...Buchnevich is more a sniper. He's a guy who can navigate traffic very well, but doesn't bull-in-a-chinashop to the net like Malkin does...I think a very good comparison with Buch is the Caps' KUZNETSOV...I think if you want to think over-optimistically, maybe TARASENKO...Not Malkin though. No chance there.

tdchi


Wed May 24 2017 8:42 am EST

KIS - certainly CROSBY gets his fair share of hits...but the reason you recognize it so much with him is because the shitheads at NBC absolutely LOVE to point it out. I watched their little montage last night and all their Crosby-loving analysts lamenting about how poor, poor, poor Sid Crosby getting abused...Well, you follow any one of the 38 guys who skated last night and you'll see an almost identical montage. The NHL has made the playoffs what they are, which is hockey in which the rule book has been largely discarded. Guys get away cleanly with shit that would garner them a match penalty and an automatic meeting with the head office...Crosby also goes to the dirty areas...and of course you're gonna get mugged there...He makes a living doing that during the regular season and can basically score unabated because anyone who touches him will get the box...the playoffs, however...different story...and say what you will about them letting the dirty play go...but at least they do it across the board...and for once, they actually let people play Crosby like they can't during the regular season. And in closing. F@ck Crosby.

tdchi


Wed May 24 2017 3:35 am EST

Its why the games are played. If you play the style Ottawa plays, there is a risk that you just will create zero offense. But they have Karlsson who is more or less impossible to shut down offensively, kind of like a Pat Kane, and Hoffman, Stone and Co. are fairly good at creating offense by themselves. More importantly, its just a group of players that have ended up in an extremely good place right now. Sometime teams just get confident in their ability to play an extremely "sneaky" assassin style of game.

Ola


Tue May 23 2017 11:51 pm EST

KIS - Personally, I love watching the mugging that Crosby gets.He gets his dirty sneaky shots in ..and also knows he will eventually be protected and not have to fight his own battles...And after Crosby chopped part of Methot's finger off earlier in the season with a cowardly slash, Methot owes him a hell of alot more...Hope he delivers

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 11:26 pm EST

MF - be better to hear the scouts of other teams make that comparison!!!

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 11:24 pm EST

Expected the Penn-Sen series to come down to 6/7 games ..The Sens while not as talented as the Penguins or Rangers, are just one solid, mentally tough team that conistently rises to the occassion in different ways.........But, to be honest, the Penns played two damn good games in the last two...got beat by the goalie tonight...Can they play THAT good in a third srtraight game? Maybe..Maybe not..I would not be surprised if the Sens pulled the upset................As for the Pens, while I agree Malkin and Crosby make ther young players better.....the individual youngsters called up by the Pens all seem to play a much more assertive, proactive dynamic game than Ranger youngsters and that's 1st liners to 4th liners...

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 11:11 pm EST

Usually lose interest after the Rangers are eliminated but I'm definitely rooting for the Senators vs Pitt and look forward to watching the SCF's.... Got to admit a large part of it has to do with this aardvark of a season with the expansion draft..

mf


Tue May 23 2017 11:09 pm EST

Panarin, Kuznetsov, nice to hear some of our very own talent scouts grouping Buchnevich in that company, nice to hear....

mf


Tue May 23 2017 10:11 pm EST

Any one but Shitsburgh

tradestar28


Tue May 23 2017 10:05 pm EST

Kudos to Craig Anderson! That was a goaltender standing on his head, he willed that win,

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 10:00 pm EST

Gutsy performance by the Sens. Alas, I fully expect Pittsburgh to win game 7...

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:59 pm EST

So Ottawa can close games out. Must be nice.

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:56 pm EST

Bob: Re Kusnetsov - oh yeah. If Buch is Kusnetsov II, woohoo! Tough to say yet, tho but I am looking forward to see more of this kid. He's got high end skill IMO - can he harness it is the question.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:54 pm EST

Not that I've watched Bobby Ryan a whole bunch but for me these POs are the best I've seen him. Creating chances way more often than I ever recall see him doing.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:54 pm EST

I agtree. Just wondering if anyone else did.

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:53 pm EST

RF4L----Who would not sigh up for a Kusnetsov? Guy is a gifted player.

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:52 pm EST

Bob: Not me, unfortunately, for the same reasons they couldn't get past the Senators.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:52 pm EST

Pittsburgh plays with 6 guys a lot, no?

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:50 pm EST

mf: Buch doesn't have Malkin's sheer size and Malkin uses that to his advantage when his A game is in gear. For me, Buch's game is more like that of the Cap's Kutsensov with Buch perhaps having a better shot. That's no criticism, either.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:49 pm EST

No way. I would be happy if he could be a Panarin though.

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:46 pm EST

Will Buchnevich become our Malkin?

mf


Tue May 23 2017 9:45 pm EST

Anyone think the Rangers would have taken Pittsburgh to 7 games?

Bob


Tue May 23 2017 9:44 pm EST

And geesh, when Malkin wants to play, he's a beast.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:40 pm EST

Watching some of the Sen/Pen game and wow, a couple of fine defensive shifts from Tom Pyatt - a Ranger draft selection from what seems a regime or more ago.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:09 pm EST

They would have seen it if it was against Pitt.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 9:06 pm EST

Give it a rest NBC. Anderson was going too cover the puck with his glove and he was pushed away from the puck and into the net by Daly. Black and white.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 9:03 pm EST

I understand how many of you dislike crybaby but the mugging this guy takes during a game is disgusting. He should just two hand ads chop method in the head. Method and the senators just continually hit that man in the head. Hell they have been talking him and holding him on the ice. Sorry people but that is not hockey. If that is what playoff hockey is they should call this sport rugby or MMA

kis


Tue May 23 2017 8:28 pm EST

Mf....I'll take Hamilton over Shattenkirk any day since he won't cripple us financially.

melvillefred


Tue May 23 2017 8:27 pm EST

Malkin is amazing and the NBC announcers are now happy.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 8:26 pm EST

I like the idea of a deal with Minnesota. I'd love to see a trade with them expanded. I am of the belief that it's time to move on from Kreider. I think he's got lots of value in the league, but he'll never be the player that we saw in the third period of game six against the Sens on a consistent basis. I think package Kreider, Hayes, and Graves (and maybe another piece) in a trade with the Wild for Matt Dumba, Charlie Coyle, and blue chip center Luke Kunin. Offer some team to pick up half of Staal's salary and get an asset back (better than a buyout). Dump Klein for anything to anyone. Offer a pick or prospect (maybe Jensen) to Vegas to get them to take Holden. Offer Girardi a front office or coaching position (which he won't take at this point) to retire. Resign Smith. Bite the financial bullet and sign Shattenkirk. Buchnevich-Zibanejad-Zuccarello, Vesey-Stepan-Nash, Miller-Kunin-Coyle, Grabner-Lindberg-Fast. McDonagh-Shattenkirk, Skjei-Dumba, Smith-Pionk/Bereglazov/etc.

evets1980


Tue May 23 2017 8:25 pm EST

E.....except for us it's 76 years with 1 CUP...

melvillefred


Tue May 23 2017 8:22 pm EST

They got it right and NBC completely missed it.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 8:22 pm EST

The goalie was prevented from icing the puck. Should be waived off, but it wont be.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 8:19 pm EST

Craziest goal ever.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 7:16 pm EST

So long 007... RIP Roger Moore... http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-40018422

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 5:48 pm EST

Hospo - You put me in the very problematic position of saying something complimentary of CROSBY and MALKIN: Look, you could put a couple of high school kids on their line and they'd look like all-stars. I know Wilkes-Barre has produced more than a fair share of players for the Pens...and it's been a very good AHL team for the past season...I'll also give credit where credit is due: They haven't had nearly the roster turnover as the Pack...and Sully, remember, came from that team. But what they've done is less by design and more a result of the strength they have in two players who improve the play of everyone on the ice with them. I don't think many of the rooks the Pens have called up owe a lot of their success to the Pens stars.

tdchi


Tue May 23 2017 5:43 pm EST

E.... Girardi and Staal surely need to go because of their cap hits and diminishing returns. Too bad for G who had a pretty good season and post season. If money wasn't an issue, I'd like to bring him back. Personally, I would re-sign Smith and more importantly find a partner for McDonagh. I've got no problem trading anyone on this team, but I'd only move Step for an upgrade, not just to get rid of him like many NYR fans want. That may not be as easy as we think. There will be lots of competition fr any centers that are available.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 5:04 pm EST

Neal Pionk: (RHS D'man) http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=196583 ............ http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10313/stats

mf


Tue May 23 2017 4:54 pm EST

From Rhet's post: Who is Henri Jokiharju? Henri Jokiharju is a right-shot defenseman from Finland, listed at 6’0” and 170 -180 lbs. He is billed as a decisive, puck moving defenseman with good skating abilities. One of his best traits is transitioning from defense to offense. He is capable of making that crisp, hard, first pass out of his end to start a rush or simply lugging the puck from his defensive end into the offensive zone. One example of him generating a chance off the rush is an assist he had against the Tri-City Americans earlier this season.

mf


Tue May 23 2017 4:42 pm EST

If it is true that Ottawa is NOT sold out, can't blame the franchises P & L on the exchange rate between the Canadian dollar & the US Dollar on this one, can we now?

mf


Tue May 23 2017 4:30 pm EST

Hey,this little tid bit is for all you loveable Yanks down there.............the game in Ottawa is not sold out tonight ! Game six in the Conference Final in Canada ?????? Oh Gary !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue May 23 2017 4:11 pm EST

http://bluelinestation.com/2017/05/23/new-york-rangers-2017-draft-profiles-henri-jokiharju/

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 3:59 pm EST

In some ways the New York Rangers are the San Jose Sharks or the St. Louis Blues of the EC. pretty damn good but just oh so shy of having enough to take that next step.

E


Tue May 23 2017 3:57 pm EST

Purple haze needs roid rage

Stevielegs


Tue May 23 2017 3:56 pm EST

Ola my mistake...https://www.nhl.com/player/joffrey-lupul-8470207?stats=career-p-nhl&season=20152016

Stevielegs


Tue May 23 2017 3:49 pm EST

Hospo: Hayes is slower than _______ off the start... He must do wind sprints from a stand still. I don't care if he has to get on the BB Court and and sprint basket to basket, he's slower than sh_t..... I'd like to keep him too, but if he helps get you a Dougie Hamilton, and then you sign SHATTENKIRK, I think that constitutes "shaking up the core" and Kevin Klein becomes a trade chip or a 7th man defenseman, talk about depth? there's depth! jmhcjao snatcherally

mf


Tue May 23 2017 3:30 pm EST

E: Chris Stewart has been on my radar for 12th/13th RHS 4th line forwards.. Patrick Eaves was too until I watched him have a career year production wise, he spent plenty of time on the top two lines this past season.............. RHET: Finally a clear and concise explanation of the limitations of Stepans contract clause to be come July 1st, thank you, ......... Gentlemen & 2 Ladies: IMO we must sign additional RHS forwards & D'men if the PP is ever going to be in the top rankings of the league.. Without a balance inclusive of 2 RHS players on each PP unit, you kind of have to run the PP counter clockwise for the majority of your one-time slap shots................. The Fickle Thought of the day is we sign SHATTENKIRK, trade Girardi, buy out Staal or trade him if he's cooperative..... If KLEIN is healthy, I think it's pretty prudent to consider keeping him for the 3rd line RHS D........... However, we keep the hunt open for a young RHDman..... So who goes to Sin City: Grabner / Fast / Lindberg ????

mf


Tue May 23 2017 3:25 pm EST

Stevie- I was just being a jerk, he didn't play there when EDM made the POs. ;) (those type of mixups happen to me all the time too)

Ola


Tue May 23 2017 2:30 pm EST

Hospo: Gorther's penchant for flittering away draft picks for the past 1/2 dozen years certainly is contributing to this problem, although I concur that it's not just that. Another aspect is the fact that these kids get promoted and often play with either Malkin or Crosby and both, especially Crosby, are so good they elevate the play of those they're lined up with. The Rangers, of course, have no one of their calibre.

rf4L


Tue May 23 2017 2:25 pm EST

Hospo: I kinda gave them a little break last season because I very much liked the Z trade and really wanted Grabner in the worst way. I felt like with Fast and Lindberg growing, a chance that 2 of Skjei, Graves, or McIlrath would step in and hopefully Hayes taking a step forward (after that shit show a year earlier) that the team seasoning could be nicely altered without throwing it all away. Now? It's different. Brassard was moved to shake things up and get some cap space. He has a lot in the tank still. And his post season heroics made him a nice asset for Ottawa even though he struggled during the season. But I think Staal and Girardi are just finished. Staal in particular was a total disaster this playoffs. It is shocking to see how much his game has fallen off. And in part because both these guys cannot play the game in a way that enhances the AV transition. The New York Rangers are such a first pass team. The defense can't just recover the puck and chip it out. They have to recover it and move up ice with possession looking to stretch things out. Skjei, McD, and Smith all did this well. Very mobile players. We need more of this.

E


Tue May 23 2017 2:23 pm EST

MELVILLE - Nobody has hammered Hayes on here more than me...but I too think there is a chance there is a very very good player in there somewhere....No guaranttee but if somehow they can get him to changes his game and attitude to be more straight ahead and closer to the net, I think he can be a beast....OTOH, maybe it's in his DNA and mind that he never wants to be that player..and will reamin a frustraiting almpst was....Tough call for Ranger Brass..OTOH, I think we know what Step and Zbad is and will be..

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 2:18 pm EST

Watched the last two Penguin games and, in the light of Gernander's release, something really struck me.....I don't know who have these guys are but ALL the forwards that the Pens call up are never say die speedy whirling divershes that skate , hit and score...OTOH, most of the forwards the Rangers call up from AHL play are responsible, smart, hesitant and non productive..have no idea if this is the result of drafting, coaching, philosophy or whatever but the bottom line is the AHL to NHL pipeline and transition is eons better in PITT and provides so much more depth and options...

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 2:14 pm EST

Rhet.....no, that was not a mistake....LOL. I feel Hayes, if he gets his head out of his ass could be a young Thornton.

melvillefred


Tue May 23 2017 2:12 pm EST

Plain and simple, the Rangers are one of several GOOD teams in the NHL that aren't good or complete enough to win the Cup aand have given their "CORE" long enough to the point where it needs to be changed....I'm hoping GORTON realizes that this offseason, even if it is a year late...Pushed for deals with MINNY last summer..I feel the same this year...but....easier said than done....

Hospo


Tue May 23 2017 1:52 pm EST

Ola you think I can remember ? when they went to the finals as a complete surprise long shot.

stevielegs


Tue May 23 2017 1:36 pm EST

Agree with E that without changing the core we will be stuck in the top 8-12 teams spot (or perhaps worse) for the next couple of years with very little chance of making another run at the Cup. We need some good trades, signings and picks to be able to take another shot. Stephan, Stahl and Girardi have been great Rangers but we need some fresh blood...

Ranger47


Tue May 23 2017 1:23 pm EST

And any trade with MIN also must include Stewart. He's a guy who I think found his game and role finally.

E


Tue May 23 2017 1:21 pm EST

Rhet: left to my view I'd be completely realigning the core. To me, Hayes is window dressing. I want Stepan, Girardi, and Staal sacrificed at the alter of failure. It's time to move in a different direction completely for the long term. They had their chance to win and after 2-ECF and 1-SCF, this team has been mired in mediocrity. The time is now to bite the bullet and retool. I'm not wanting to blow it up as much as shake it up.

E


Tue May 23 2017 1:17 pm EST

Trade: wrong part of California. I'm from NJ with stops in Seattle, Portland, and NorCal and we literally hate the Southland. However, I'm temporarily living down here but with the intention of making an expedited exit back home before too long. So I do go to Ducks games mostly to see the team they are playing against. I simply have to see live hockey no matter where I am. I don't drive a Tesla YET. But, I eat sushi probably a little too often.

E


Tue May 23 2017 12:34 pm EST

We have an issue protecting forwards and Minnesota will have an issue protecting Defensemen, maybe a deal can be worked out between us? A Hayes package for Dumba maybe?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 12:19 pm EST

FRED.... I think you mean ZBad as a potential #1 and Hayes as the #3, right?

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 12:08 pm EST

tdchi.....for me keep Lindberg he did well even with the little time he was afforded....nothing on the PP and last year we jammed him to the wing. I see this kid developing into a top 6 and Hayes has the potential to become a #1 in my opinion. That leaves Zbad at the 3 spot. Step could help get us the RHD we so desperately need. As for Smith do not give this guy a Girardi or Staal contract.

melvillefred


Tue May 23 2017 11:37 am EST

I meant Game 5.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 11:33 am EST

In regard to Hank showed what he could do with a real defense... I've sen this on Twitter a lot lately and it's also a load of bull crap. Hank had a pretty solid defense in 2013-14 and still couldn't get the job done. NYR fans only want to talk about game 6 that year. but Hank pretty much shit the bed in games 2 and 3. In fact, it was so bad that Hank's confidence was shaken worse than at any time I have seen in his professional career. We win either of those games and it changes the entire series. Am I blaming the NYR futility in the postseason all on Hank? No, absolutely not, but he does deserve his fair share of the blame.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 11:09 am EST

TD/FRED... Actually, the NTC is not a big deal at all. He would only get it for the next two seasons and then it turns to a Modified NTC where he would have to provide the NYR's with 15 teams he will not accept a trade to in his final 2 seasons. What is the big freaking deal? Also, I can't think of an example where a NTC prevented a trade from happening. A NMC preventing a trade from happening? Yes, there are tons of examples.. Just my 2 cents worth.

Rhet0ric


Tue May 23 2017 10:56 am EST

Stevie- I am sure he did! In which PO series for the EDM do you think he impressed he most? ;)

Ola


Tue May 23 2017 10:46 am EST

Rf he impressed me when with oil way back the last time they were in the playoffs... the nyr don't have enough money puck players

Stevielegs


Tue May 23 2017 10:39 am EST

KIS - Hank showed what he can do when he has a real defense in front of him. Say what you will about the Worlds, but winning a championship isn't exactly easy.

tdchi


Tue May 23 2017 10:12 am EST

melvillefred - agreed the NTC is a bummer...but if you look at Step statistically, this is a guy who is as consistent as the the sunrise. It's nice to be able to move a guy at a whim...but when you have someone who is a top-line center and is still young, why would they want to move him anytime in the near future? I just see other areas the team needs to address. Trading Step is essentially creating a problem unless you can get someone like MacKINNON back in exchange...I guess you can argue trading Step would be a good idea if you get a top pairing RHS defender...but then you're faced with moving either LINDBERG, HAYES or MILLER in that top-six center's position...and back filling a bottom-line center position...your options are resign HRIVIK for it, try someone like NIEVES there or sign a UFA like BOYLE...And I think that's a situation that sets you up for failure...the team ultimately gets weaker up the middle under this scenario, IMO..Or you can try to hire someone like THORNTON to fill the capacity until Hayes or Lindberg is ready...but under that scenario, you're putting a lot of hope in a guy who hasn't really demonstrated any will to leave the west coast...And then there's HANZAL, who will come cheaper than Step...but is he a second-line center? Is he and improvement? Like I said...I can't envision the scenario where trading Stepan makes sense or where the team emerges stronger. Doesn't mean it's not out there...I just can't see it. In all seriousness, I'd like to hear how we could trade Step and end up stronger than we were before.

tdchi


Tue May 23 2017 9:44 am EST

stevie: Lopul got banished to Robidias Island - a place where highly paid over the hill and injury prone veteran Leafs are banished. His contract expires June 30th - I've no idea if he'll resurface seeking a new deal elsewhere.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:40 am EST

Bob: That's been Bernier's issue. WHen the spotlight gets intense, he falters. Probably best suited for a back-up role. I'd have no problem with the Rangers signing him as the King's backup if they find a suitor for Raanta. Clearly, in NY he's the backup and therefore, the pressure would be low.

rF4L


Tue May 23 2017 9:25 am EST

tdchi......biggest problem I have with Stepan, besides not being a #1 pivot, which is not his fault, is the NTC that kicks in July 1st. Can't have that.

melvillefred


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