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Mon Jan 21 2019 11:42 pm EST

TradeStar- I was a little kid when Wayne Thomas was a Ranger. I loved him. He, (and later Glen Hanlon) was my underdog Ranger goalie hero. Probably why I was. Ever more than a backup goalie, lol.

ColoradoMark


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:15 pm EST

Golf Sucks

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:12 pm EST

NEWS: #mnwild has acquired defenseman Brad Hunt & a sixth-round selection in the 2019 #NHLDraft from the @GoldenKnights in exchange for Minnesota’s 2019 conditional fifth-round pick.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:02 pm EST

RF4L - if they do what you want them to do, yes..But if they resign Hayes..a solid UFA or two..and swap out certain players for DQ types or maybe a kid or two...then, why not? Now, no Hayes, no UfAs, no smart trades, I agree

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:34 pm EST

To me to think the Rangers have a shot at a PO run next year requires a brain reboot...

rF4l


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:26 pm EST

E - then you are expecting some really big time UFAs to fill the holes of (likely) Hayes, Zucc, McQuaid because there is little help coming for the not yet ready kids..Only CHYTL has really showed anything...and guys like Vesey, Nieves, Namestnikov, BICH are just running out of time or no answer..Maybe there will be big UFAs..we'll see

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:08 pm EST

TD: I am expecting to see a playoff team next season. Maybe a 6-8 seed and a 1-and done best case next season. But you’ll see competitive hockey again. That would be a great springboard into an opening window to contend. That’s just reality and if everything is done right. This is what I realistically expect.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 9:57 pm EST

Hughes is like Patrick Kane. Perennial goal scoring machine that is dominate with possession. A great consultation prize for sucking. He’s a franchise cornerstone and franchise player. Obviously he is not a generational talent but whoever lands him will be straight giddy.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 8:36 pm EST

TD: Agree with not putting all the eggs in the lottery basket. Let's assume Hayes and Zucc are traded for a few decent prospects and picks. You sign the Breadman, Krav comes over, and add a good depth forward via free agency such as a winger I love in Donskoi. Panarin-Cheeto-Krav, Kreid-Z-Buch (hoping for him to put it together), Names-Howden-Donskoi, Fast-Lias-Fill in the blank. Not a world beaters lineup but could be competitive while still developing acquired talent. My fantasy Rangers team for next year.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:49 pm EST

Man... This is why I love tdchi.... Because watching the Rangers this year and last year is the equivalent of playing golf and slicing the ball into the woods, 3 to 5 putts once on green... And a bunch of sand traps.... But then on the 18th hole... U rip the ball off the tee 250 yards straight like it was fired out of a Cannon... And then get on the green with a short iron.... And finally 2 putt for par...and now u love golf again and can't wait for your next round.. .basically tdchi and his optimism is this situation for the Rangers future...

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:27 pm EST

The Oilers drafted McDAVID almost four years ago. They are barely a playoff team. I would be a fortune that they will not win the cup this year, and believe you'd be pretty safe to bet the same next year...HUGHES is a very good player. But he's not in the same league as McDAVID. No way. If you're ripping apart your team for the sole hope of getting this guy...when even as the worst-overall team your chances max out at less than 1 in 5...well...then you've got to build around this guy...Well...let's ask the Caps how easy it was to build around OV and BACKSTROM...took more than a decade to find a winning mix..."Lose for Hughes" is a novelty. But if it's your game plan? Yeah. You better be looking five to seven years out...So back to the Rangers...Sans HUGHES, is it possible they hit a cup run next season? ABSOLUTELY. Is it probable? No. But possible? Yes. First, the QUINN effect. This guy took a season to move BU from a tire fire to a force. I don't doubt that the lineup that emerges next fall will be much more representative of what he wants on his bench...Second: CHYTIL. I don't think it takes a pro scout to see that we have something special here. If he takes another step forward after his first full pro season? Think about how David PASTRNAK has developed with the Bruins...Third: The KRAVTSOV effect. Again, this kid is the real deal. Certainly, you're not going to bank on him being a superstar next season...but an NHLer? Yes...I mean, I can keep going. Lord only knows where they'll be. But if they end up with a lottery pick, PANARIN and don't gut the lineup at the trade deadline, I expect to see a very competitive Ranger team next fall.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:59 pm EST

A non hockey sports story.... I was at 2 of the games . This probably was one of them .1969 was a long time ago , that considered a fact ? ......https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/mets-legend-reveals-story-behind-one-of-the-greatest-catches-ever/

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:58 pm EST

And in the "relying on sub-par goaltending" category, I give you the Oilers...who just signed KOSKINEN to a longterm contract. For f@ck's sake...someone has got to fire Chiarelli. But not until he deals us PULJUJARVI for Brendan SMITH.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:55 pm EST

Chris Johnston ‏ Verified account @reporterchris 20m20 minutes ago More Mikko Koskinen extension with #oilers: 2019-2020: $5.2M 2020-2021: $3.3M+$500,000 SB 2021-2022: $4.5M

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:53 pm EST

Or....does it mean that if the Rangers "LOSE FOR HUGHES" that they won't be competing for a Cup for 5 to 7 years? Because if that was what was meant then I would certainly agree. But here is the catch. If they don't "LOSE FOR HUGHES" does anyone here actually believe that this team can compete for a Cup in less time then that???? I'm serious. Lets even assume that they go out an sign DUCHENE and PANARIN in the off season, and then resign HAYES (even though they won't have the money to do all three or probably even two of the three). Take everything they have in the organization right now (minus MZA and McQUAID) and add in DUCHENE and PANARIN. Does that smell like a team competing for a Cup in NY over the next 3 to 4 years? Because it doesn't to me. It looks like a playoff team to me. But it doesn't look like a team that can compete with and beat any of the top teams in either conference in a playoff series. I'm just curious what you folks are thinking and how you are looking at this organization. I discount every single AHL player and junior level prospect that the organization has right now. It if 50-50 at best if any of them make it in the NHL or even make it as a top 6 forward or top 4 D. That goes for KRAPSHOT, HAJEK, ANDERSON, etc. I have no idea if SHESTERKIN can even play goal at an NHL level. He may end up no better then GEORGIEV. This has been my issue with the concept of "retooling" this organization from the start. That gets you to a Cup how? Because this team is severely lacking in the kind of top end talent that it takes to Win a Cup these days.

Vic


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:47 pm EST

Colorado’s goaltending stinks. I think they are going to miss the playoffs. Being a one-line team is not good enough these days

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:43 pm EST

I'm curious....what does "punt for the next 5 to 7 years" mean? Does it mean not making the playoffs for the next 5 to 7 years or not competing for a Cup for the next 5 to 7 years. Because even the "LOSE FOR HUGHES" contingent around here has never said that doing so means they can't make the playoffs for 5 to 7 years. In fact, if the Rangers were to grab the first or second pick in this draft I would expect them to be a team competing for a playoff spot within 3 years. Or.....

Vic


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:32 pm EST

AV's Losing 3-1 against Nashville with 3 minutes left. The Preds without Ryan Johansen who is serving the 2nd game of a 2 game suspension

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:06 pm EST

Eddie Mio was great.... He would make that glove hand save and hold the puck and frame it for about 5 seconds so every photographer in the building could get a shot of him picking cherries

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:05 pm EST

But Terry Kleisenger was the worst

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:03 pm EST

And last but not least.... Wayne Thomas and Steve Baker both sucked...

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:01 pm EST

Here is some disclosure for me...i have no idea about what I am talking about. Furthermore, I have no affiliations within the Rangers organization.... Hehe

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:58 pm EST

IIRC, the AV's need a LHS D'man and at least 1 top 6 forward

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:47 pm EST

I dont know about their prospects, but nobody on the Avs roster interests me if we are dealing Hayes (or more)..I'll leave the prospects up to you guys

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:27 pm EST

I wonder who the Rangers are looking at so closely on the Aves. Could it be Nakita Zadorov? Maybe JT Compher? Could the deal involve one of those 2 plus the Aves' first pick?

rf4l


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:26 pm EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/18/friedman-on-trade-interest-in-hayes-zuccarello

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 4:12 pm EST

GILMOUR with a goal and an assist so far today, Wolfpack down 3-2.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 3:29 pm EST

New rumors that CHIARELLI will get fired today.... "Edmonton Oilers Hold Team Meeting Instead of Practice After Flurry of Moves".... https://www.12up.com/posts/6276965-edmonton-oilers-hold-team-meeting-instead-of-practice-after-flurry-of-moves/partners/43677

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 3:12 pm EST

Kevin Maxwell, the NYR director of pro scouting is scouting the AVS game today.... ALSO per Rangers Report ‏ @ranger_fanly .... New York Rangers C Mika Zibanejad named NHL’s 2nd Star of the Week #Rangers

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:42 pm EST

Now, that's a fact Jack! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOzub_ghAbM

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:23 pm EST

Bob: hit him with a Penalty

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:23 pm EST

Then the facts are this: I broke a wall rule!

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:17 pm EST

It is against the rules of the site to mention Eklund and fact in the same sentence.

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:14 pm EST

Here's a fact: Eklund is saying MZA is being scouted by the Flames and the Stars; therefore, you can probably knock those 2 teams off as possible landing points for MZA.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:14 pm EST

Bob I wonder if kid k knows that fact ?

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:06 pm EST

You mean like “it’s a known fact that Kreider is available?” Facts like that?

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 2:00 pm EST

Andrei: OK, let's say that you're correct, then it motivates me more to target NYLANDER (a top 3 overall pick with two 61 point seasons is Less risk than a new #3 overall draft pick)

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:55 pm EST

It's my opinion that most of what's said on here is opinion. Hell, even most of the rumours that are quoted from sources like twitter are other people's rumours.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:52 pm EST

trade: Absolutely not. I'm thinking they were thinking 3 years of which this is year 2.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:45 pm EST

STEVIE - Yep, some people take their own opinions and the need to be right way too seriously..there's alot of gray area on this team and it's direction right now

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:32 pm EST

I sometimes get confused here on statements made with known facts versus opinions and rumors along with hearsay.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:18 pm EST

RF4L....do u really think the Rangers will punt for 5-7 years? Not gonna happen.....THis is the same brass that drafted Lias Andersson because they got cute thinking he would step in because he was "playing with men".

tradestar28


Mon Jan 21 2019 1:17 pm EST

mf, not sure how else anyone needs to be clear. There is a ZERO chance that Avs will trade Ottawa 1st pick. Zero. NONE. Zilch. Net. No. Nein. Non..

andrei


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:58 pm EST

E, no one said they will ice the AHL team. I'm convinced that Rangers will be all in Panerin. $12/12.5 per. It's a known fact that Krider is available for a right price this season. My guess it will not be for just prospects/pics, if he is traded this year. Next year, sure. If Krider is here next year, at the trade deadline, he will be traded for a picks/prospects. Don't rule out Rangers signing Zuc at the off season either. Personally, i don't want him, but if it will be a short term deal, maybe. Just don't see Rangers offering a 5 year deal for Zuc, but some other team might. Very intriguing what is happening in Toronto. Very interesting. They have being looking for a big scoring forward, that is tough. Problem is, Krider is not a Babcock's player. Not too sure he is Quinn's player either. Obvious BU connection, but Krider is way too inconstant for Quinn's liking. Question is, if Leafs are desperate. If they are, deal around Nylander for Krider is a good possibility.

andrei


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:57 pm EST

The Islanders MAIN problem was always 1. Goaltending; 2. Goaltending; 3. Goaltending; and 4. Goaltending. You could argue a 5th point, which is goaltending. It's why I never get teams that poo-poo good goaltending for clowns like HALAK or ELLIOT or ALLEN. Just shooting yourself in the foot...that said, I'm not and never have been convinced LEHNER is a top-caliber goaltender. He had the potential to be one and is certainly looking good this season...but is he the guy you want to hitch your cart to? I'm not so sure...the Isles don't have a bad team, but they are seriously playing on Lehner's back...so I wouldn't be so quick to be stroking off Lou Lame and Trotsky. Good young team, but they don't have nearly the depth of others...will be quickly exposed in the playoffs.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:29 pm EST

You bet, there ain't a Wallster here that didn't enjoy the Ranger / Boston game, 3-2 Hockey

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:27 pm EST

mf - strong coaching and getting the players buying into team defense, chemistry and discipline can go a long way..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:26 pm EST

RDW: Saw an article headline state that Lemon Lou may be a Buyer come this Trade Deadline.

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:25 pm EST

STEVIE - Agree on GORDO..has made some mis-steps and some moves that long real promising..The book is even close to being written......On SPOONER, nobody wants him..Rangers had to take him from BOS who didnt want him..no single Ranger fan wanted him...and now Edmonton doesnt want him..Yet, he keeps raking in the dough!!

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:24 pm EST

Not so funny that if the Rangers pick 8-12 or higher this year that they may target a Defenceman when this Draft is supposed to be the year of the Forward. Last year was the year of the Defenseman, and we took a forward... Hope OTB Gordie got it right

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:23 pm EST

MF: I bet the Islanders will be a wild card team at best.

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:21 pm EST

Anyone notice that the Islanders sit atop the Eastern Division and have the 5th best record in the League? And BTW, they have the lowest GAA in the entire league, any coincidence? Hospo your move. ;-)

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:18 pm EST

Like I said, if we can land NYLANDER we don't need to part with a guy like KREIDER when targeting Ottawa's 1st round pick... We'd be dealing from strength...

mf


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:14 pm EST

The jury is still out. If the nyr become a yearly Stanley Cup contender, next year or at most the year after, than fishpie will have done his job .

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:12 pm EST

LOL! Ryan SPOONER on waivers.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:11 pm EST

I'm guesing Spooner goes unclaimed.... per Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account @FriedgeHNIC ... Rattie and Spooner (EDM) on waivers

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:09 pm EST

Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline Follow Follow @Aportzline More Big news. #CBJ have hired Martin St. Louis as special teams consultant.

RDW


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:07 pm EST

I think Kreider is the future Rangers captain and I don’ think he is going anywhere.

Bob


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:55 am EST

RF4L - I do see where you are coming from and, of course, it should be considered..But to me it all comes down to the timetable of competing for the Cup..and, while I don't know, I hope it is more on the scale of 2-4 years than 5-7..KREIDER would be an essential part of that and, while you have to worry about and maybe trade him because of his pending UFA, you can also keep him and wrap him up long term for 5-6 years

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:50 am EST

stevielegs - That's my hope. I frankly think if the Rangers really did want to tear everything apart, they would have done it last year at the deadline and/or at the draft...the moves they're making are much more surgical...and frankly, I think a lot smarter...if you think about it, it's counter-intuitive to trade away parts of your lineup that are A. working; B. still young; and C. under contract. Rangers have a good core with KREIDER, Z, HAYES, SKJEI, and VESEY. I like keeping NAMESTNIKOV, STROME and even ZUCC as part of that group...See what happens when the kids get their legs under them...assess...and move forward.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:43 am EST

Hey, look man I get it that Kreider is loved on here because of the skillset package and that fact that finally he appears to be putting it altogether. But he's gonna be an UFA in 18 months. There's no guarantee he'll be with the organization after that and it's possible he'll be looking for HUGE money that the organization may not want to cough up. I am NOT demanding that he get moved; I'm saying given the circumstances it behooves Gorton to consider it. And by consider it I mean engage in some trade talks and see what can be fetched. What if, for example, Sakic is willing to give up Ottawa's first in a deal that involved Kreider and say Hayes? Would that still be a no, keep him and hope to resign him in 18 months to whatever contract value and length he demands?

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:28 am EST

RF4L - the "wisdom of trading KREIDER" is a total contradiction in terms. I could see if the return was something ridiculous...but shit man...what is he going to bring you that's gonna be such a game changer? Do you really think the Rangers, by trading Kreider, are going to get that heralded first-line top three-picked center that we supposedly need so badly? Hell no. Even if you packaged HAYES and KREIDER, I'm no so sure you'd get that player...again: What you have is likely more valuable than what you get...I've brought this up in terms of the Rangers...remember all those picks and prospects they traded away from 2011-2017? What have they done? Answer: Not much. When your moving established players for picks and prospects, you're generally ending up with pennies on the dollar. So what exactly is the point moving the guy for futures 18 months before his contract is up? You're moving parts for the sake of moving parts...essentially DOING what the Rangers did for so goddamn long...you're not building when you're constantly tearing down.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:21 am EST

Hospo: OK, so maybe I was being dramatic when I said 'doom the organization' but you just once again said you trade Kreider if you "dont give a shit about winning anything until 5-7 years then, by all means deal him for some more prospect and draft pick prayers."

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:15 am EST

E - Probably, and further, I Cant say I'm convinced they will deal HAYES unless they determine his demands will be too high...But..you still got to get rid of the non-DQ type players and iconsistent in effort/production youngsters and bring in players (not picks/prospects) that should fit better

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:08 am EST

HOSPO: after getting Hayes and MZA off the books and maybe McQuad or something I think the days of the sell, sell, sell New York Rangers will come to a close. They aren’t gonna ice an AHL or NCAA team. Getting rid of guys like Kreider and Zib for prospects and picks is not helpful to the cause unless players of equal value and ability are coming back. Zero sum gains I don’t think are in the cards. Or at least I hope.

E


Mon Jan 21 2019 11:07 am EST

RF4L - Where the hell did I say that? I didn't..I said the decision on trading (or the wisdom in it) of Kreider should be based on the the org's timetable ..If you want to be competing for the cup within the next 3-5 years it would be better to keep him and resign him....despite his inconsistincies at times, there are few players like him around the NHL..OTOH, if you dont give a shit about winning anything until 5-7 years then, by all means deal him for some more prospect and draft pick prayers..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:59 am EST

stevie: Yeah, the Leafs are floundering and the heat (from the fans and media anyways) has now shifted to Mike Babcock. Kyle Dubious needs to do something for sure that isn't adding a bottom pairing depth d-man or a 4th liner but Babcock from where I sit, is being out-coached quite frequently now. It'll be interesting to see how all this plays out. They sure miss Matt Martin IMO and that's on Babcock who this time last year, inexplicably stopped dressing him.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:56 am EST

Hospo: You honestly think the trading of Kreider will doom this organization for the next 5 years? You think he's that good? And remember, there's a good chance he won't be here after next year because he'll leverage his UFA to earn a huge contract elsewhere. I will repeat my thoughts on this subject: If the Rangers were a player or 2 away from being a legitimate cup contender now or next year, you most definitely keep Kreider. Otherwise because of his age and pending UFA, as they did with McD last year, you seriously need to consider moving him.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:54 am EST

And BTW, I've also posted on here numerous times defending Gorton. So far, I've liked most of his moves and agree with the direction he's taking the organization in.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:45 am EST

I completely agree with tdchi on the job Gorton has done in restocking the prospect pipeline for the Rangers. He's made some astute undrafted and unsigned NCAA signings, overseen some good drafts, and amassed some solid prospects through trades. Gorton is going to wind up adding to that pool at the deadline and at the draft this year. Here's my best guess at trades and returns for this deadline: 1. Hayes, Namestnikov and a third to Colorado for Martin Kaut, Shane Bowers, and Colorado's first. 2. Zuccarello & DeAngelo to Edmonton for Ethan Bear, Tyler Benson and a third rounder. 3. McQuaid to Toronto for a third rounder.

evets1980


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:43 am EST

RF4L - is it wisdom? that is in the eyes of the beholder..alot depends on what Gordo is trying to do and the timetable..which, I for one, dont know...But if they want to punt the next 5 years, then yeah, deal Kreider...hell..deal everybody over 23

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:39 am EST

limbo - Oh he may be wooly...Them old goalies they do get wooly...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EroyjPcw3sg

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 10:35 am EST

TD: I've posted on here several times about the wisdom of trading Kreider now given his age and contract status and where the organization is currently.

rf4L


Mon Jan 21 2019 9:51 am EST

Oh he may be weary...Them old goalies they do get wearied...Wearing that same old shaggy jersey, yeah, yeah...But when he gets weary...Try a little tenderness, yeah, yeah...

limbo


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:20 am EST

Guess even hanky is weary....”“Maybe we can do that on the beach somewhere, then come back recharged. We can’t look at the big picture. Can we get in? Are we still in the race? We just have to take it week-by-week here and continue to improve as a group.” And when asked if he wished the team could keep playing with the way it has been going, Lundqvist gave a hearty laugh and shake of the head. “I’ve been waiting for this week,” he said.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:18 am EST

“But it has been trying in the fact that there have been large stretches of good that got some a bit starry-eyed for the postseason, and large stretches of bad that got some thinking about intentionally losing to better their chance at projected top draft pick Jack Hughes. The emotional ups and down have taken their toll, both on the veterans who haven’t been through something quite like this before and on the swath of young players who are just trying to figure their way around this league. Of course, first-year head coach David Quinn has also seemed to take every win and loss personally, which won’t be good for his health or his hairline. ”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 6:17 am EST

Tdchi hopefully fishpie will take his coach’s opinions of players in his decisions. The mighty Quinney on several occasions has said they are not rebuilding, they are building and trying to make the playoffs. I think he would like to keep haze , and many others who’s names get thrown into the deadline possibilities. It makes sense for the gm to try and have a couple of first round picks, without destroying the team this season and next. In the next 30 something days , it will become more apparent what his mindset is. I’m hoping he’s looking to stock Hartford and below, while trying to maintain and improve the nyr for this year and next. And Not make them develop a culture of losing.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 5:58 am EST

Rf4l your home team lost to Arizona....”This was Toronto’s fourth defeat in their last five games, putting them at 3-6-0 since Jan. 1. ”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:37 am EST

tradestar28 - He's still waiting for the lithium to kick in and help dial down his auditory hallucinations.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:34 am EST

R4FL - "which of course is what this organization does..." Which is what exactly? Hold onto speed-demon physical wingers who a proven 20-plus goal scorers, when said player has finally elevated his play in the manner many thought they could? And the jape about one in 80 years...I mean, you do realize there was a time when this team was throwing away good young players hand-over-fist just to get a crack at the playoffs. Now it's a good idea for us to throw them away again for a crack at...well...some prospects? See, this is exactly what I never get about Ranger fans...In my estimation, Gorton is acting very methodical...they made a call really after the loss to the Senators in the playoffs, and decided it was time to start building for the future...And how he's done it has been pretty masterful...first: made sure there's a strategy for life-after-Hank that is not solely dependent on SHESTYORKIN...Now we have GEORGIEV, HUSKA, WALL, and now LINDBOM...next, he built up the D: Signed PIONK, grabbed DeANGELO, HAJEK and LINDGREN, RYKOV, and then drafted MILLER, LUNDKVIST and KEANE in the wings...and to think guys like Sean DAY, Nico GROSS, and Jakob RAGNARSSON are now considered B-level prospects...And then we've seen him build the living hell out of the middle...I mean, ANDERSSON, CHYTIL, and HOWDEN...can't remember when we last had three rock-solid center prospects in the system/on the team...and let's not forget about the B-prospects in the middle: NIEVES, FOGARTY and another guy who frequently gets overlooked: Gabriel FONTAINE...now throw KRAVTSOV...So in two years, this guy has fully restocked the cupboard...and that's BEFORE this draft, where the Rangers will likely be again well represented in the first three rounds...even taking the conservative view that they won't throw up the 'for sale' sign...We know they're going to end up with at least a pair of additional picks in the first three rounds...maybe four or five, depending on the deals they do...to think that they could end up with someone like LAVOIE or TURCOTTE...AND...someone like Cole CAUFIELD, Cam YORK or NOLAN FOOTE...I mean, what the fuck more could you ask for of your GM, other than him to literally dress the goddamn junior Rangers for the rest of the season to be worst-overall in the NHL and take Hughes? Sure, this whole team is a work in progress...but I think you and a lot of others here often overlook how methodically Gorton is operating. I certainly haven't agreed with everything he's done, especially in the heat of the moment...but whenever I start to look at his moves...man, they make a whole shitload of sense. Outside of some lesser moves like trading for and playing Adam CRACKNELL and of course, this obsession with the clodiest of clods, iClod...I can't say there's much that Gorton has done that I'd undo.

tdchi


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:20 am EST

TRADE - I dont think they will trade either one..and I would hate to see Kreider traded...But I'm also not sutre what this will be yet..a full blown rebuild? Do they trade all penidng UFAs plus whever else they can get rid of? or is it a modified rebuild as you call it? where they trade selected UFAs and players that dont fit DQ's system..not sure yet...but.I think DQ's input will be very important and who he might waant to keep going forwaard--including whether or not they sould try and extend Hayes..

Hospo


Mon Jan 21 2019 12:04 am EST

evets1980 - I think once hindsight is in full view that Ranger fans would be very happy with any one of those players...I'll throw Raphael LAVOIE into that mix too...Bottom line is, this year's draft is as deep or deeper than last year's. You are almost guaranteed a phenomenal prospect if you draft in the top 10...hell, even the top 15. While it certainly would be nice to get our mitts on HUGHES or KAKKO, I think if we finish between 7th and 11th, that we stand a VERY good chance of getting one of those players...and on a bit of a tangential note...some here will poo-poo what Gorton has done thus far...but truth be known, ANDERSSON and KRAVTSOV are to stellar prospects...and to think we also have MILLER, LUNDKVIST and CHYTIL on top of that...And whoever we get in this year's draft at 7th-11th. What he has done to this farm system in two short years is nothing short of phenomenal.

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:43 pm EST

Meanwhile....I am still waiting for Greg Polis' prediction of Kovalchoke and EK coming to the NYR's.......Maybe he was talking 2019-2020! (rimshot)

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:41 pm EST

As far as McQuaid......I am gonna "guess" that Jimmy Boy Dolz likes this type of player....He knows the Rangers fans like having him......so they will "try" to keep him around with a new contract.....Just a stab in the dark

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:39 pm EST

Hospo....this entire message forum is just opinions and predictions......Conjectures if you will..........So Zbad & Kreider are two pieces of the Rangers puzzle that will stay a while. They are both relatively young and have low mileage on the tires. They are both professionals and I would guess that DQ likes them around. They didn't bring in DQ to just watch a tire fire of shit go on the ice. Yes, its a rebuild....but think of this as a modified one.....

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:17 pm EST

LEAFS NATION has to be in full-out panic mode...3-7 over the past 10...under .500 for the month of January. They are a team that has LOTS of pieces I would love to pick through...Jeremy BRACCO is one...smaller player. Dynamic forward. Stands little chance in joining the Leafs, just because of how offensively gifted the organization is...or at least until they trade NYLANDER...and on that regard...I know he's had a slow start and all, but he's still one hell of a player...his lackluster play thus far is less indicative of the player and more of the absolute foolishness that was involved in his decision to sit out for the top of the season...can't bench yourself for 20-plus games and think you'll be in any condition to compete...moving along thought...Carl GRUDNSTROM...another guy who would be a great add who I think they could shake loose from the Leafs...and Dymtro TIMASHOV, who I heard was available last season...I also wonder if they've soured to Timothy LILJEGREN...he'd be another I bet could come in a deal with the Leafs...but the bigger question then comes: What do the Rangers have that the Leafs would want? And I'm not sure they have anything...I know RF4L doesn't think they'd want SHATTENKIRK, and I would tend to agree...but I wonder if they would change that tune if the Rangers ate a couple million off Shatty's contract...if I were to pinpoint a guy they need, it's a genuine top-pairing defenseman...someone who is both strong on D and can move the puck...and the only guys who fit that bill are SKJEI and maybe PIONK.

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:02 pm EST

Hospo - WHOOAAAH. Slow down, man. So you're saying if the Rangers HAVE one good line...and they have the makings of a second good line...that perhaps maybe instead of trading everyone for picks and prospects...that...maybe...just maybe...they should build on those two good lines?!? By jove, you could be onto something!

tdchi


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:45 pm EST

Ooh...5 to 1 now. LOLOL...

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:44 pm EST

Kreider probably will remain a Ranger. For the next 18 months. Which of course, is what this organization does over and over and over again. BTW, 1 cup in 80 years is NOT a coincidence.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:41 pm EST

Canes embarrassing the Oilers 4 to 1 early in the 2nd period...

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:40 pm EST

trade - oh, OK..glad you cleared that up with the facts.......

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:39 pm EST

trade: You been chatting with NOb for Life?

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:34 pm EST

Kreider aint going anywhere.......neither is Zbad

tradestar28


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:04 pm EST

I'm with RHET..it's mid January and wallbangers already talking about the draft and next year's camp! I guess that's what happens when your team is out of the PO race..or are they??? ..RHET _ I can see McQuaid helping the BRUINS..but they als need some grit and strength up front...maybe deal for McQ and Krieder and help the Rangers to a lottery pick!

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:04 pm EST

Mf. No

RF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:53 pm EST

Like their 1st round pick kind of interested?

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:40 pm EST

There are lots of rumors that the BRUINS are indeed interested in bringing back MCQUAID ....EVETS.... I can't even wrap my brain around the draft yet. Too early.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:08 pm EST

Looking ahead to the draft, I'm looking at five players who MIGHT be available where the Rangers pick in the 8-12 range... 1. Bowen Byram, D - Plays with passion and intensity. Byram has No. 1 potential and will be an instant fan favorite. 2. Alex Newhook, C -The BCHL’s leading scorer as a 17-year-old, Newhook is a scoring machine who can marinate for a few years at Boston College until it’s time to groom him as a top-six candidate. 3. Philip Broberg, D - smart, skilled, physical defender with great skating ability. He really opened everyone’s eyes during the Hlinka/Gretzky Tournament when he was by far the most noticeable and complete defenseman. 4. Alex Turcotte, C - a 200 foot centre with decent size and elite feet and hands. His wide skating base and strong edging work allows him rapid change in direction. Unfazed by venturing into the dirty battle areas. He can finish and his puck-handling, high hockey instincts, and soft hands rate up near the top of the class. 5. Ryan Suzuki, C - A dynamic offensive weapon with eyes in the back of his head and a top performer for both Barrie and Team Canada, Suzuki is the OHL’s top prospect for the 2019 NHL Draft. Blessed with blinding speed and acute hockey sense, the younger brother of 2017 first rounder Nick Suzuki is a bit more flashier and excitable with the puck, especially in open ice.

evets1980


Sun Jan 20 2019 8:00 pm EST

STEP -As was shown last night, I think the BRUINS need a grittier presence (all they had was Wagner) than HAYES and have been know to be intertested in Wayne Simmonds..https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/bruins-willing-to-make-major-sacrifice-to-land-flyers-simmonds?fbclid=IwAR0y9ku_VT43LcKzQP1ZevEsPvWZ4NfTR4l54i3WKzWjvdDBwpPHaJuzQWQ...There are going to be alot of sellers so it's no slam dunk that the Rangers will get anything near what dreamng fans want..We'll see..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:44 pm EST

Scneidw - I don’t think Hayes will be solo- expect him to be happy packaged with others

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:42 pm EST

Rhet: Those stats are impressive especially when you take into account the kid is a rookie, and hasn't been playing D for all that long. Not that it means he will be an all star NHL D man right off the bat it ever, however it sure makes it look like the Rangers made the right choice moving up to grab him...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 20 2019 7:31 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller plays with the University of Wisconsin against Notre Dame tonight. Miller, who leads Wisconsin with 18 points in 19 games this season, also leads all NCAA freshmen defensemen in assists per game (0.68) and points per game (0.95) in 2018-19.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 6:04 pm EST

MF... I would've taken him 3-4 years ago when we were a different team. Now, by the time we're good enough again, he'll probably be retiring(or playing in the AHL). Let's see what we get back from some of these trades. That type of player wont be the main piece in a deal, but he could be part of said deal.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 6:02 pm EST

I believe Hayes goes to Boston. As they are in a go for it year more so than the Avs. They will be willing to pay more than Sakic for that fact. Bring home the local boy. Interesting options in Boston too.

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:59 pm EST

Rhet: just read a bit about him and am wondering, "what's up" with the guy? After closer evaluation perhaps a courtesy invitation to preseason if he's in shape and focused on hockey... The guy is a tank at 6'2" 235+ lbs......... Anyway, one shortfall of my long-post proposal is a real grit powerhouse on the 3rd or 4th line, hence the Chris Stewart suggestion...

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:48 pm EST

MF... In regard to CHRIS STEWART: The entire NHL already said "no thank you" to him and then he was supposed to go to the KHL. He then disappeared and later claimed "serious family problems"(so he could get out of the contract) and "retired" so he wouldn't have to report to the KHL. He then went to the EIHL in the UK (I guess the "serious family problems" got better?)... There are plenty of quality guys that didn't get drafted that I would rather get a look at than a 32 year old Chris Stewart, but that's JMO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:01 pm EST

E: t/y

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:01 pm EST

E: yeah, seems like a done deal... Karlsson will resign with SJ.

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:58 pm EST

EK is likely gonna re-sign. He just bought a home out here and the team and he have expressed that they want to get something done. Anything is possible but he is more than likely off the market.

E


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:57 pm EST

HOSPO: agree with you Hayes assessment.... I was being too harsh. Hayes and Fast to COL in return for Kraut and COL#1???

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:54 pm EST

SCHNEIDW - Agree that HAYES wont fetch as much as some would like if traded, but only half agree why...Far from a 3rd Center...A strong #2 center since January of last year and the arguably the best all around forward on the team..And if you call him a 3rd C, then the Rangers are a team of 3rd and 4th liners and nothing else...Hmm..maybe that's true....Anyway, the main thing is that he's a pending UFA's and one that is coming off an undisclosed injury..and not another game until almost February..gonna be hard to get alot of worth back unless the Rangers play a risky Russina roulette waiting game..OTOH, while MCD was coming off a shoulder injury last year he did indeed have another year left on a favorable contract

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:38 pm EST

I'd also like to see the NYR's invite CHRIS STEWART to camp.... The man is a professional, he's a Veteran presence at 31/32 year's of age, I believe that he will excel and conform with DQ's in your face approach to the game. He brings grit, physicality, and he's a good skater....

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:23 pm EST

Yesterday William NYLANDER’s name recirculated as “possibly available,” this kid turns 23 in May and already has two 61 point seasons under his belt. All here know that Toronto has a heck of a challenge in front of them as both Mitch MARNER and Austin MATTHEWS must be signed, and then Toronto must fill in a few spots on their line-up…. Yesterday it was reported that OTTAWA tenders a very attractive & competitive offer of “”$8 Mill for 8 years”” to Matt DUCHENE which basically say’s, “kid, sh_t or get off the pot because we’re serious.” DUCHENE may get some more dollars per year on the free market, but will he get an 8 year term? We’ve discussed the upcoming UFA list here and I thought to myself, “when is OTTAWA’s offer to Mark STONE going to be made public? And sure enough Rhet pointed out that the OTT / Stone camps are already in discussion an offer of $8 million + per year (I’m guessing for an 8 year term). Next thing that crossed my mind was this owner is serious and opening up the wallet, could or would Erik KARLSSON be next? HOFFMAN and his wife/fiancee’/girlfriend are out of the picture, does EK & his wife want to return to Ottawa? There are some articles that San Jose & EK are or have been in conversation about re-upping with The Sharks, so who knows. OTTAWA does have some young Defensemen with promise such Thomas CHABOT who at 21 y/o is putting up some impressive #’s on a team with one of the worst records in the league, SO, maybe they pass on trying to lure KARLSSON back unless he want s to come back home AND at a discount…… Now let’s say that both DUCHENE and STONE re-sign with OTTAWA, that takes two of the most attractive players off the UFA list, which up’s the value of the remaining UFA’s on the list and those of the players that teams are willing to trade by the deadline………. So what are the NY Ranger’s to do, and in what chronological order? This brings me back to NYLANDER, remember NYLANDER? That’s what this post is about :->) (kind of like a verse of Alice’s Restaurant) “”IF we can pry NYLANDER from Toronto, we don’t have to prostitute ourselves to Colorado Joe Sakic in an attempt to get Ottawa’s 1st round pick.”” It was previously written and rumored that Toronto wants a Defenceman and a Forward as a starting point for NYLANDER…. TORONTO needs a Right Handed Shooting Defenseman and we have SHATTENKIRK to offer as well as PIONK or DEANGELO and I would not hesitate to offer either of those two kids to land NYLANDER, but I’m suggesting SHATTENKIRK and we may need to eat some salary to help Toronto…. For the Forward position, as far as I’m concerned they can choose anyone they want not named Kreider, Z’bad, Chytil, and I’d prefer not parting with Howden, Andersson, Fast, or Strome but to get a deal done for a legitimate Top 3 proven talent such as NYLANDER, you pull the trigger…. Once NYLANDER is on board and “IF” Hayes was Not Part of a Toronto deal, we really must reconsider resigning HAYES because we need a 2nd line center… ZUCC will get traded in this sequence or scenario, and Brendan Smith must be gone before next season starts as he is too expensive, not good enough, and blocking a key spot one of our many young LHS D’men are competing for. SO, after we hypothetically land NYLADER, we make some secondary trades of ZUCC (unless he goes to TORONTO which is a good probability and a team where he has the opportunity to go deep in the playoffs, a team with JT & Marleau to look up to, and great kids to set an example for) we dump SMITH, we resign MCQUAID (2 years 3 mill per?) SHATTENKIRK is gone, “”we set our sights on PANARIN AND WE LAND him off the UFA Market!!!”” …….. NOW the question is; “does this conform with a re-build?” “Does this look like something that can compete for the Stanley Cup? ………. TOP 6 FORWARDS: PANARIN / NYLANDER / KREIDER / ZIBANEJAD / HAYES / “UNKNOWN” ….. BOTTOM 6 FORWARDS: FAST? / CHYTIL / HOWDEN / STROME / VESEY? / NAMESTNIKOV? / KRAVTSOV / ANDERSSON (I have question marks by the names of FAST / VESEY / & NAMESTNIKOV because we may need to include them in a trade with Toronto…… ON DEFENSE: LHS: STAAL / SKJEI / “1 OF OUR KIDS …. RHS: MCQUIAD / PIONK / DEANGELO ………we’d still have our picks for this coming ENTRY DRAFT to continue stocking the farm……… SO WALLSTERS, Please RIP THIS APART and point out it’s flaws and shortcomings ……..

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:12 pm EST

COL- I speculate that NYRs will target Martin Kaut from COL just based on his Czech experience w Chytil...bet NYR scouts have seen alot of Kaut... has size and skill

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:07 pm EST

RDW- Makar hard to predict his ceiling.... equivalent to Justin Schultz a fair comparison? College players are so tough to project/... ... I think COL will trade him if a 2C....

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 4:01 pm EST

PUCK- Don't think Hayes brings back nearly what McDonough return was for so many reasons.... I am dubious if Hayes will even fetch a #1 pick unless its in the high 20s...He is a 3rd line center... not an all star first line defensman with another year on his contract at a low market rate...

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 3:34 pm EST

Makar would be a great addition, just don't see Sakic giving him up though.

RDW


Sun Jan 20 2019 3:03 pm EST

Hilarious article and take on the Chytil collision. Talk about ridiculous. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/bruins/tuukka-rask-concussion-another-example-teams-taking-liberties-bruins

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:48 pm EST

This lines up with other reports that the NYR are interested in some variation of Martin Kaut, Tyson Jost, Conor Timmins, and Cale Makar from Colorado. Plus a pick. We shall see.... Per AJ Haefele @AJHaefele.... Just FWIW, the Rangers guys at the Avalanche game earlier today are also here at the Eagles game. They were also here last night. To further stoke the trade fires.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:21 pm EST

NEWFIE - I agree..the path GORDO is taking is not yet clear to me..so how can one propose a deal, or who to trade, other then just to satify their own wants and not reality?..Hopefully, we find out over the next 40 days..until then. nothing seems a "done deal" to me..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 2:13 pm EST

NEWFIE... So, William Nylander is off to a slow start because he missed half the season and that means he's not worth his paycheck? His first two seasons as a pro, he had back-to-back 61 point seasons something which Matt Duchene never did himself.... JMO, but I would still take the guy on this team in a heartbeat ....ALSO.... What is a true rebuild anyway? Where is it written that you have to purge your team of every person over the age of 23 in order for it to be considered a true rebuild? Is this some weird variation of Logan's Run or something? Why wouldn't you want guys around for your younger players to learn from? Wouldn't it only help with their development? How would you ever get any UFA's to come to this team if you have nothing but prospects on it?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:30 pm EST

mf....now, if you could manage to do that in a very young Marlon Brando's voice ,I'd piss myself.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:25 pm EST

Newf on the Rock! "To re-build or Not to re-build, that is the question!"

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:06 pm EST

Hospo…..before we start moving out players, the question that has to be answered by the fans and management alike is...do we want a true re-build (thought that was the idea?)or do we want a band-aid solution and just try and make the play-offs as long as Hank is alive (lol). If it's a TRUE re-build,then all these guys, Zucc, Hayes,Shatty, maybe even Zbad have got to go. There is no right answer but is it a re-build or not ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:00 pm EST

MC.....I guess that's the whole problem in this league now, Nylander is NOT worth 7 M.....he may be getting it from the leafs but he is clearly not worth it . big lesson for other GMs .

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:54 pm EST

https://www.instagram.com/p/BszRbxwFa5l/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1htfj8zt8xpg3

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:53 pm EST

I think it’s Safe to say that Hayes is a goner. I envision a deal similar to MCD , with player/players going with him for players, picks, prospects. I can see Colorado dealing their number 1, not Sens pick. I hope Gorton doesn’t wait until the 11th hour, maybe deals him during the break.glad they sat him until after the break, as an injury negates his asset value. Gonna be interesting for sure.

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:52 pm EST

If Nylander is worth 7 mil, I think Dushesne would want 9. I think he's a goner from Ottawa.

MC


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:56 am EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Vitali Kravtsov tallied a goal while representing the Kharlamov Division at the 2019 KHL All-Star Game today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 11:41 am EST

I'll leave the trade proposal and fantasies to others becasuse they rarely come true and instead kinda come out of the blue--to fans at least...That being said..two things..I watched the Oiler-flame game last nigth and it was the first time i ever saw something good out of the PULUJARVI kid...used his size well at times...........other thing....seeing how well the Rangers played last night with basically a one line threat plus CHYTL...you wonder how good they could be with a 2nd line that includes HAYES (or another center for the tradfe Hayes crowd) and one more wing...so, if you (collective you) think tht ZBAD is the #1C he looks like every now and then..maybe you try to sign HAYES if he'll take a reasinable contract..and build the rest..just a thought....or..you just trade HAYES for a little return..or trade both and really tank for the immediate future

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:59 am EST

Hope you're correct Vic - if so, however, quite dumb given the excess of defensemen the Rangers have.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:41 am EST

RF4L: PIONK has been playing hurt for a while. My guess is that was a big part of the drop off in his game. He should have been taken out of the lineup to heal up much sooner....

Vic


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:20 am EST

SHATTENKIRK: Sure would like to see his 10 team no trade list... My guess, similar to Nash.. all the Canadian teams... then maybe STL, WAS, PHX, and ?

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:19 am EST

DQ had better not put Pionk back with Staal after this break. DeA has been quite impressive alongside Staal and has earned the right to remain there IMO. Pionk was actually playing poorly when he got hurt and the Rangers have not missed him at all. Perhaps on the contrary.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 10:18 am EST

NYR-COL: No surprises but a very well written article... I have to say, I think Sakic would prefer to make a trade sooner than the deadline to give AVS more time to integrate Hayes and possibly other former NYRs into their lineup plus avoid getting into a bidding war by setting the market price... interesting dilemna for Gorton.. I figure if NYRs are seriously going to trade any player over 27YO then Gorton better start dealing now... https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/1/20/18190146/an-avalanche-to-start-the-fire-sale

schneidw


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:37 am EST

mf: The Leafs will have zero interest in Shattenkirk.

rF4l


Sun Jan 20 2019 9:30 am EST

It was important to have a couple of tough guys in the lineup last night like McQuaid and McLeod after the Chytil goal. Even though it wasn’t his fault and he was just driving to the net when he was hit by McAvoy,the fact remains that he gave the goalie a concussion. Anyone who has ever played the game at a decent level can tell you that Chytil would have been a target after such a play if there was no one they feared/respected on the other bench. As for Chytil, I guarantee the coaches have stressed him going hard to the net, we saw it in consecutive games now, Chytil going wide, swooping in hard to the goal, where earlier in the season he’d have shot from the angle, perimeter.

Puckyou


Sun Jan 20 2019 8:49 am EST

I would be surprised if DUCHENE resigned in Ottawa for that amount. He can get more from another team in a bigger market. I don't know him, obviously, but he strikes me as the kind of guy that wants to be a big fish in a big pond. NY, Chicago, LA, Montreal, Detroit and Boston would be the kind of cities at the top of his list if that were the case. I guess we will see....

Vic


Sun Jan 20 2019 5:43 am EST

Doesn’t Hartford have a roster limit too? They can’t just send 5 guys down without making roster moves there . Howden and Cheetos probably need to rest. I think both are banged up . If they can resign mcquaid for the 2.75 he’s making this year , it would be a good move . Unlike smith who has to go. But with so many d men , mcquaid will probably be gone at the deadline and the nyr get softer . Any other mindset, he would get resigned.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:49 am EST

g/n

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:49 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/dont-be-shocked-if-lamoriello-strikes-at-trade-deadline/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:44 am EST

Rhet: I think that there will be some dialogue between the Duchene camp and the Stone camp. "IF" there's a nod there, it will probably increase the odds that they both resign...... I was thinking a step further, if/after those two are inked to new deals, would Erik KARLSSON be interest in returning now that HOFFMAN & companion is out of town? San Jose has started talk with EK & he and the Mrs. just might like the sunshine.....

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:33 am EST

MF... The offer to STONE was rumored the other day. I think DUCHENE takes it unless he really doesn't want to still be in OTTAWA.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:19 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/streaking-into-break-rangers-get-quinn-a-win-in-boston-return/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 1:15 am EST

OTTAWA certainly making a statement to DUCHENE with that offer, AND if you read down that article, they're going to do the same to / for STONE.... With those two off the market our Trade Chips go up in value... NOW "BIG IF" we can effectuate a trade with Toronto around SHATTENKIRK + a Forward for NYLANDER, boy does that change our landscape...... IF we can then land PANARIN in the offseason after the acquisition of NYLANDER, it may very well make sense to try and resign HAYES......... very interesting

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:41 am EST

Or... maybe they just keep him here and hope he works his way out of it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:34 am EST

Hospo.... No disagreement there. Maybe they send down after the NHL season resumes and they bring up another player so that way he's not playing too many extra games in the regular season. Just a guess.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:24 am EST

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/senators-make-matt-duchene-long-term-contract-offer/

mf


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:21 am EST

RHET - Maybe..I understand it with CHTYL...the kid is playing with confidence and getting better...HOWDEN is the complete opposite rigth now...hopefully the rest will do him good..but I'm just not sure he's up to the NHL level right now

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:16 am EST

NYR brass must think it's better for HOWDEN to rest his mind/body during the break. I know CHYTIL sure can use it.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:06 am EST

Surprised HOWDEN wasn't sent down with Nieves and Lindgren..

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:05 am EST

RHET - Dartmouth not Ivy League? And, hey, they gave the NHL Lee STempniak (Jessibust's linemate)! As for Barron, he has been hot of late and have read alot of good things about him,,,Found it intersting that Cornell just ended a series with ASU ..Arizona State University..what?? Since when?

Hospo


Sun Jan 20 2019 12:00 am EST

Per Nick Kypreos: The Ottawa Senators have tabled a 8-year, $64 million contract with an AAV of $8 million to forward Matt Duchene.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:57 pm EST

Hospo.... Completely different story, Jessiman went to Dartmouth :) ...BARRON has really picked it up this season like a man possessed. He had 18 points all of last season in 33 games. Not bad for a 6th round pick. Worst case scenario, he makes a pretty good trade chip.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:45 pm EST

RHET - Good stuff on Barron..Domianting the IVY League like Hugh Jessiman did! Just kidding...hope he makes it

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:43 pm EST

STEVIE - We'll have to agree to disagree on Namestnikov and his 1 assist and -10 over the last 10 games ...It seems that in Namestnikov and BUCH they have two players that are special teams specialist and do little at ES..Can we sell them to the Russian KHL and bring over Krapshot?? :)

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:10 pm EST

Morgan Barron with 2 assists extends multiple-game point streak to 5 (3-7-9) games, overall streak to 7 games (3-9-12) in Cornell's win. Barron leads Cornell with an 8-11-19 (new career high)... Barron was also 4-0 on faceoffs, +2 on 3 shots. The hottest NYR prospect at the moment

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:59 pm EST

Irving moofman you have some matzo balls and chutzpah.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:34 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers.... OFFICIAL: #NYR have assigned Boo Nieves and Ryan Lindgren to @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:30 pm EST

Macaroni Factor

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:28 pm EST

NY Rangers News ‏ @nyrgoal99 .... Rangers are 2-12-3 when DeAngelo doesn’t play. Rangers are 3rd in the NHL in points when he does play.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:23 pm EST

Lindgren may not be back as PIONK will probably be ready after the break.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:22 pm EST

Shea should give half his pay to mcquaid

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:22 pm EST

No Surprise here. More to come, i'm sure... Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Rangers are sending D Ryan Lindgren back to Hartford during the break.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:17 pm EST

Hospo I disagree on stinky, he did a good job on the pk . He can play a 200 foot game. He’s a good role player piece.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:14 pm EST

McQuaid: Two years $6 mill?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:12 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... Per NHL Stats & Information, Mika Zibanejad is now the second #NYR in franchise history who has registered the game-winning goal in three consecutive team games (the first was Rod Gilbert, who did so on Dec. 11, 1966 vs. MTL, Dec. 14, 1966 vs. DET, and Dec. 17, 1966 at TOR).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:04 pm EST

And I'll even admit that DeAngleo played a solid all around game..no mistakes..no brain gfarts..But I still think BUCH, NAMESNIKOB and NIEVES bring nothing..and I hope HOWDEN can get some condfidnece in HARDTFORD over the break becasue he is a shell of the plater he was at the onset when most of the nHL vets were just ramping up

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:03 pm EST

We have to find out what MCQUAID is looking for. He might not want to be part of a rebuild.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:02 pm EST

Hanky with the broadway hat instead of the dunce cap .

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:01 pm EST

RF4L - I like him too alot...Same attitude that should be taken with Hayes, although at a sighlty higher level

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:00 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re smart you can handle things Fredo

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:59 pm EST

RHET - That you can...And when the team plays like this, that's what you want to see all year...That'swhaat I want DQ t get out of them...BUT..unless you are committed to a firte sale and tanking.a 2nd/1B center (be it Hayes or somebidy else nt on the roster) would be needed and real nice

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:58 pm EST

Phuck the 3rd round pick McQ might fetch. Talk to him now and see if he can be resigned. If he can, resign him. JUst to me a ridiculous no-brainer. And before I get attacked, let me add that only if it's a reasonable contract.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:55 pm EST

Hospo... You can do that right before the All-Star break when you have the next 9 games off. BTW, the schedule makers suck.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:54 pm EST

Staal with a very strong game..McQ and Skjei also..McQ is a good partner for Brady

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:54 pm EST

oops...meant chunked out other than the last 10 minutes (woohoo...pot's legal in Canada!!)

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

Wowza...saw maybe half the game chunked out...other than the last 10 minutes...VERY impressive.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

MathLegs: thats like 80%

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:52 pm EST

And DQ really wanted to win the game..for the most part was down to 9 forwards (and mainly six)..and 5 d-men..(no prob with sitting Lindgren)..and then 4 (ittel faith in Shatt and the McQ penalty) for most of the third

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:49 pm EST

If you ask me, one of their bestr efforts/wins of the year, especially on the road...Good 2-way effort byt the forwards..The D were strong ..and The King sharp

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

4 of last 5 nice

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

That's a Hockey Game.

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:48 pm EST

Now people can post..nobody wanted to jinx it!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:47 pm EST

They played a hell of a road game against a very good team. Happy for DQ And Quaider

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

Fast hit his head on the ice

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

I have ZERO Problem taking this penalty(s).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:38 pm EST

And refs miss Wagner hit ... way to go

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:37 pm EST

did FAST have the puck when Hit? Penalties or not...great to see the Rangers standing up for each other..LOVE McQUAID

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:36 pm EST

Thank goodness FAST got his arm up. At least a little protection.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:35 pm EST

BTW, GOOO FOR STROME!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:34 pm EST

Does MCQUAID get a 3rd man in?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:34 pm EST

Think Hospo's enjoying the game?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:30 pm EST

You know, our 2nd line is starting to grow on me.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:28 pm EST

Hanky using his head there

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:25 pm EST

i don't know what the NYR will do, but I would keep KREIDER unless we were blown away with an offer ....Hospo... In regard to Hayes: That's fair.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 pm EST

Kid k looking like Adam graves in front

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 pm EST

Good shot by ZBAD..good traffic by Kreider..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:20 pm EST

WOOOOOWWWWWWWWW.....Z-BAD SCORES!!!!! IT'S A POWERPLAY GOAL!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:20 pm EST

ZBAD from shattenkirk

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:19 pm EST

I'll take that call on Chara..but really cheap and hinky..he had zero control of the puck...Refs blow..Hope the Rangers take advantage of it..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:19 pm EST

Here comes the passing practice pp

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

Too many turnovers in their own end

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

He should yell at himslef and Krieder

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:15 pm EST

Bad turnover Staal

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Hanky Panky stay in the NET!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

COME ON KREIDER!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Wonder who Henrik is going to yell at after that one.

Bob


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 pm EST

Hank has no one to blame that on but himself.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:11 pm EST

That's so on Lundqvist...idiot.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:11 pm EST

Kreider with the lazy back check...

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:10 pm EST

COME ON NYR!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:10 pm EST

Hank stay in the net

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:08 pm EST

Or zzk

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:08 pm EST

RHET I dont love HAYES..I think he changed his game last year for the team and became a more straight ahead play and a good two way 2nd center..I think he has continued that this year..Not as phyiscal as I would like, but he uses his bidy much more and dowes go near the net whilew still laying a good two way game..being able to control the puck and is a real good passer (yes he overpasses some times),and has kinda arguably been the best Ranger forward over the past 8 months..all relative though

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:07 pm EST

Good to see CHYTIL in the 3rd moving what looks to be normally. It didn't look so good after that collision.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:07 pm EST

21 points last 5 or 6 ? Games by ZBAD kid k and zucchini... kzz line

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:05 pm EST

Rhet: So does Philly & NJ, got to work the market into a little bidding war

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:04 pm EST

HOSPO... You hated STEPAN, but you love HAYES. They are very, very, very similar players with a very similar style(I didn't say identical:). Anyone reason why in particular?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:57 pm EST

schneidw - True, and I dont deny it..While I think Hayes has been the better all around player over the last year (since say Jan 18)..I think ZBAD has made good strides this year as a two way player..and he always has ggood spped and skill and shot...He plays like he has the last three games consistently, I'll be in his corner like I was converted to supporting HAYES..Still, he would fetch a hell of alot more in trade than HAYES because of his contract..all depends on GORDO's timetable in his rebuild...Maybe you deal one..Maybe you deal both..Maybe you extend hayes and keep both?? Not up to me

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:56 pm EST

SCHNEIDW... is he seriously bitching about Chytil? ....MF.... Get on the horn. Trade HANK to Boston! They now need a goalie.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:53 pm EST

I'm watching the game with my brother and he is the biggest Bruin fan in the world and he won't stop whining about the Rask hit ……………….I love it !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:50 pm EST

Hospo: I remember when you were as hard on Hayes as you are now on ZBAD... while not a complete and consistent 1C... ZBAD is as close as the NYRs have had since..... forever

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:50 pm EST

The 3rd period should be hell.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:49 pm EST

Good solid period by the Rangers..amazing how much better their D looks when the forwards are playing a more physically involved responsible game..Staal has looked real solid ...Lindgren up and down but I liek the way he plays

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:45 pm EST

MCQUAID almost scored on HANK.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:44 pm EST

Marchand should get that oscar shoved up his ass...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:42 pm EST

STROME getting a taste of NY / Boston..... Strome for Spooner, "advantage Rangers."

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:39 pm EST

basically what I mean is that you shouldn't have to move your stick out of the way to allow a guy a free skate across the position you are allowed to be in....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:36 pm EST

Something I have never liked....you can decide to skate through a guys stick, or through his legs and draw a tripping penalty. Simply being there and having a guy trip over you should not be a penalty....tripping to me has always been you put your stick in an unnatural position (not in two hands in close) and reach for a puck or a player and he goes down...NOT that you are there defending and the guy does a tight spin move and ends up across your stick falling down...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Marchand gets an Oscar for his performance on that dive

E


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Didn't Shatty get the puck first? That's a weak call

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Sam called Lindgren "Lindberg"

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:35 pm EST

Marchan dive

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:34 pm EST

SHITT pplaying the puck noot the man..as always..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:33 pm EST

One of Nieves' better plays there

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:31 pm EST

Shawn Hutcheon ‏ @ShawnHutcheon ..... #NHLBruins announce Tuukka Rask has suffered concussion and will not return tonight.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:30 pm EST

Trade - I woulnt go near an extension for ZBAD until he's shown he can play good hockey conistently for more than 5 games at a time..That said, i hope he does, and he has become a bwtter two way player..STILL...IFFFF it's along term reuild the Rangers have in mind you can lose with him or without him,,and he can probably bring back the highest return

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:27 pm EST

yeah..surprised that only WGNER has shown much snarl for them tonight...And they basically gaave MCQ away this past off seasom

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:26 pm EST

There is no way that ZBAD gets traded unless a deal blows the Rangers out of the water and is an offer that cannot be refused........Rangers should look to extend ZBAD instead of trading him....

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:25 pm EST

No goal..but that was a welcome to the NHL shift for Lindgren!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:25 pm EST

Hospo: Definitely not a jab. I'm not opposed to moving him

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:24 pm EST

BOSTON has lost a lot of it's snarl. They are also rumored to be interested in bringing back MCQUAID ....RF4L... TY

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:23 pm EST

RDW - Wheter that's a jab or not..:), I totally agree..he's in one of his real good mini stretches right now

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:20 pm EST

Zbad's trade value has to be pretty high right now...

RDW


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:20 pm EST

I just googles Ed Sullivan, Really Big Shoe, go figure.... Hey, your boy Z'Bad with the redirect. ;-)

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:19 pm EST

the Persian Turgeon

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

MF - I dont kniw, I turned it off after "Everybody's feeling gay"......Rangers playing a good road game..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

Pretty goal...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

Z-BAD 2-1.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:18 pm EST

How about that, win an offensive zone draw....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:17 pm EST

the Iranian Magician!

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:14 pm EST

C'mon Hospo, you're old enough to remeber Ed Sullivam and "we have a really big Show, which sounded like shoe." And as for Chytle, he went flying "small of his back" into the goalpost...... As for the Bruins, easy to resurrect the hatred for that franchise, ditto for Philthy...... carry on....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:14 pm EST

But CHYTL no worse for wear..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:13 pm EST

Shitbox PP. Again.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:09 pm EST

RF4L - Yesss!! Maybe fianlly some passion in what used to be a rivalary?

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:08 pm EST

MF I dont know about you and your last two posts..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:07 pm EST

Trade. Ditto. Fucknob Ratboy would NEVER tho. Watch him try to goon Chytil. Fuck I hate the Bruins.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:06 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrLln_KH_wE

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:03 pm EST

Now the Rangers should run Halak and then beat him with a shoe

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:01 pm EST

I would love to see McQuaid and Rat Boy Marchand go at it......It would make my winter

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:56 pm EST

and that was supposed to be CHYTL!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:55 pm EST

RHET - Even if it was "legal" and unavodable for SHYTL..I woulnt be suroised in the least if they ramped up the physicality on SHYTL and any other Ranger...What happens when your teamate gets injured

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:55 pm EST

Rhet...dude trust that was a rhetorical question...cuz they are the asshole Bruins...

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

If Dickavoy hadn't been a typical Bruin prickjob his goalie would be fine and Chytil wouldn't be labouring (don't be surprised if he doesn't come out next period).

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

Hospo is putting on the foil in his Lazy Boy!! Even his dog is foiling up! Look out!

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:53 pm EST

CHYTL attacking the net/goal like no other Ranger except Krider..and with much more finishing skill

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:52 pm EST

Why would the BRUINS target Chytil? He was clearly knocked into RASK.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:51 pm EST

Maybe that collison sets the stage for some good old time hghickey over the next two periods!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:51 pm EST

another great goal by Chytil.......and lighting up Rask was priceless

tradestar28


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:50 pm EST

Lololol...fuck you boston...BTW watch for Chytil. Fucking Bruins will target him. But they should be gooning Dickavoy

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:50 pm EST

Filip Filip Filip !!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:49 pm EST

Think he took the goal post up his ass?

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:48 pm EST

Poor plays by Howden and Mcleod almost undo a pretty good road 1st period...Saved by aniother SWEET move by CHYTL..great power speed move just like the other night...Kid is gonna be something..attacks the net

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:48 pm EST

RASK sure looks like he has a concussion.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:47 pm EST

Chytil's shoulder looks hurt.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:47 pm EST

Give Cheetos 2 points for that

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:46 pm EST

ENOUGH...SEND HOWDEN DOWN...I MEAN WTF.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:30 pm EST

good tribute to MCQ byt Bruins fans...and I hated himm as a Bruin..Love him as a Ranger..we need more players like him

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:28 pm EST

rangerlou - was just gonna say something simuilar..the fastest he's looked in a long time........Good TEAM PK of 4 mins...Still hate the Bruins to the core

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:27 pm EST

As nosen always says good job ... on the pp

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:26 pm EST

Zuccarello is BACK!!!!!

rangerlou


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:22 pm EST

K-Mart Shoppers, we will be Promoting Special Deals for the next 37 days with "Senior Discounts" for those of you with special needs.....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:19 pm EST

funny watching Zucc skate next to Chara!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:18 pm EST

Rhet only if you and the other armchair gms say so

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:12 pm EST

Oh joy just 37 more days of Stevie mocking everyone who doesn't share his opinion left.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:11 pm EST

c'mon Quickie..you know better than that..

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:10 pm EST

Oh joy just 37 more shopping and fantasizing days left

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

Expecting a lose but curious to see if they put in an effort for DQ.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

And warp 9

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:07 pm EST

SCHNEID - mentioned KRIEDER and a Ranger D to TOR the other day..It makes sense for them..Although I think they would be morons to want Shittinkirk..all they have do is watch how he impacted WASH two years ago.......So MCQ back in B oston for the first time..should be interesting..Love having him on the Rangers......ANy chance I get, I watch the annoncers of the Rangers opponent because i detest Nosen and DIckaltti..but dont know if I can handle a game of Jack Edwards!!

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:06 pm EST

Oh no now the mooferator is cranked up to wrap 9... sakic will probably take fishpie’s eyes out

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 7:06 pm EST

NYLANDER would be going to the AV's in that deal. Sorry to pop your bubbles....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:58 pm EST

When MF says Preposterous, the chances of it happening seem more legit :) NYLANDER probably wouldn't get moves until closer to the draft, if at all.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:53 pm EST

A 3 Team Trade!?! Preposterous.....

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:50 pm EST

I wonder if it could be a 3 team trade with NYLANDER coming to NY???

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:46 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... #NYR as expected in warmups: ....Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello... Chytil-Strome-Fast.... Vesey-Nieves-Namestnikov.... McLeod-Howden-Buchnevich.... Skjei-McQuaid.... Staal-DeAngelo.... Lindgren-Shattenkirk... Lundqvist.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:29 pm EST

Rhet: One thing is it could almost turn into a 3 team deal....just with a delay if that makes sense. If the Rangers were able to get Barrie+ type deal, other teams that dont have what the AVS want or need will want him, and he could be flipped for something more along the lines of what the Rangers want and need. A trade with the AVS may end up having the most value NHL wise for Hayes, and anything gotten from them could be flipped this season or at the draft.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:17 pm EST

https://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/maple-leafs-waiting-game-on-nylander-wearing-thin-549918.html

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:17 pm EST

Trade Targets: TOR is going to go for it this year... need a RHS defenseman.... and fast power winger...... NYRs have Shattenkirk and Kreider..... Toronto has several options... such as...

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:16 pm EST

RHET - Like others do..just passing along info...Means little to me...This next month is crazy time with all rumors and proposals

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:10 pm EST

Hospo.... I've read that before. To me it seems more like Dater putting two and two together rather than it being anything of substance. Barrie is an old SATHER target. I also just can't see adding even MORE money to the defense unless we're planning on some kind of purge. We already have Shattenkirk, Pionk, DeAngelo and McQuaid on the right side. If he was younger and locked up for a number of years on a deal, maybe I could see it, As it stands right not, It just makes very little sense to me.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:08 pm EST

AVS. I dont see them very active at the trade deadline... will pick up low cost, no term players to backfill the bottom 6... CO has limited $$$ and has the ability to take their time w the rebuild... well run organization....

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:06 pm EST

2017 DRAFT: IF (big if) the draft was done over.... (1) Peterssen (2) Heiskanan (3) Hischiier (4) Chytil... probably not correct but the point stands true... getting #1 overall does NOT prove to acquire the best player... I am sure the Flyers are ready to trade Patrick already..... Lias Andersen looks to be 3rd liner at best.... oh well...its still early!

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:02 pm EST

ANY of you talent scouts have input on these two that the AV's have: young Center on IR VLADISLAV KAMENEV http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/10719 ..... They also have a RHS D'man (2nd round pick) on the IR CONOR TIMMINS http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/16627

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:55 pm EST

The AV's could use a RHS Defenceman. They have Erik JOHNSON & Tyson BARRIE.... They currently have plenty of CAP, and a guy like MCQUADE looks like an easy fit, however, maybe they emulate the San Jose "Brett Burns / Erik Karlsson" model and will kick the tires on SHATTENKIRK to really stock up the Right-Hand-Side...

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:49 pm EST

Barrie is the type of player Nob for Life should have targeted 5 years ago. Instead, he chose Dan Boyle (ridiculous) and then Keith Yandle. The ship has sailed on acquiring someone like him at this point (given his age and contract status).

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:47 pm EST

Vic: Agreed - if Tyson is coming to NY he won't even get there - he'll be going elsewhere basically immediately.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:46 pm EST

mf: As I've said before, there's a better chance of the Rangers winning the cup this year compared to the Aves trading Ottawa's pick at this point in time. If it gets traded it'll be after the lottery and only if it's not the first pick (and perhaps not even the second pick). Just like I told you a 1000 times Bouchard was not going to be moved by the Oilers, this proclamation is just as concrete.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:45 pm EST

The AV's just wooped SmelLA 7-1, Tyson Barrie with a Goal, 2 Helpers and +3...... This kid is on his way to a 60+ point Season

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:43 pm EST

Just read the link Hospo posted. No doubt with the Rangers following Colorado a lot lately, there's heavy talks happening between the 2 clubs. But the musing that going to NY is Tyson Barrie makes zero sense to me - he's going to be 28 and will be an UFA July of 2020. Why on earth when rebuilding would you trade for a player you likely will have for 28 months? The Ranger target has to be something else.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:39 pm EST

AV's moving Tyson BARRIE? No, this guy is out of his mind. AV's interested in 1 or both of HAYES / ZUCC? Likely. FishLegs' boy FishPie should offer those two as a package for that Ottawa 1st Round pick. IF we need to sweeten the deal, we revisit.

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:39 pm EST

HOSPO: I have no doubt that Colorado would have interest in HAYES, MZA, KREIDER and a few other Rangers. We've been speculating here that they would be a good trade partner for the Rangers since before the season started. BUT, I have a hard time believing that the Rangers want BARRIE in return. Not unless this is a much larger deal involving McQUAID and SHATTENKIRK/SMITH. Or this is a 3 team deal where BARRIE is being immediately moved to another team for someone else. Bringing BARRIE's salary back hurts the Rangers in terms of limiting what they can do in the UFA market. I guess they could have other plans to move other players as well. I'll wait and see but of the assets Colorado has BARRIE is waaaaaaay down the list of guys I'd be interested in based on what the Rangers have today and what they need.

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:38 pm EST

FWIW, I have a very good feeling about Morgan Barron. He turned 20 last month and is in only his 2nd year of college play plus had minimal experience prior to that. From what I can discern (which is admittedly from afar) there's a ton of upside with this kid and he could evolve into a legitimate NHLer in a few more years. How nice if so. He was drafted by the Rangers in the 6th round (174th) in 2017.

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:16 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Tarmo Reunanen tallied two assists and posted a plus-three rating today. He has notched five assists/points in the last five games and 11 points (two goals, nine assists) in the last 14 games. He has also logged at least 24:00 of ice time in 12 of the last 13 games.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:05 pm EST

Not really breaking..but..Avs..Rangers ..Hayes..Barrie.Anyway..FWIW...https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-rumblings-a-blockbuster-player-for-player-trade-deal-brewing-in-the-nhl?ref=jo&fbclid=IwAR1nXCv29VRBmf6Cu3zYCYZrbabDP8uViGGqqM_cP5dfJF8JeFkUpEVxsEU

Hospo


Sat Jan 19 2019 4:43 pm EST

WOW what a signing and wow on jitters... more important is will it be a good or bad wow tonight...

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 4:00 pm EST

ZACH TOLKINEN: A "29 year old" RHS D'man prospect... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/47669/zach-tolkinen

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:40 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL .... [NEWS] Wolf Pack Sign Defenseman Zach Tolkinen to PTO.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:21 pm EST

td, laugh all you want. JT Miller is a bust. There I said it. He is a bust on Tampa team. This fucken obsession for the former players is not based on reality. It is based on pure emotion. So Cooper is so happy with JT performance that he keeps him on the 4th line. Right.. On the route to 50 points? Based on what? Last 20 games he collected amazing 10 points!!! 15 points in 30 games!!! Wow, what a record. In 30 games, future HOF, scored amazing 4 goals. Stop, dude. Bolts are looking to get Simmons out of Philly to get help on the 3rd line, all while great JT is anchoring the 4th line. He is a good player, when he wants to be, but he had never brought it on consistent bases. Never. At this stage, it is very hard to imagine, that he will ever will. Even his number are not telling the full story. There were 3 nights in the last 21 games, when he got 7 points, in total. Maybe he has a good game, one in a while. But that means in remaining 18 games, JT collected 3 points!!! Wow. What an amazing player. Exactly what Rangers are needing right now.. Right, another $6 million bust. Strome, collected 11 points in 27 games for the Rangers. Vesey collected 24 points, with 11 goals, playing for the Rangers. Don't hear people talk about how amazing Strome and Vesey are. Sure, JT had a good run on the 1st line last season. Tampa got him to bring a physical presence to the top line and pays him $5.25 to play with Kuch and Stammer, but somehow they are so happy with his performance, that he on the 4th line, playing with Cally and Paquette?? Common, dude. JT is a 4th highest paid forward on Bolts. I can only imagine how frustrated we will would have being, if we kept him, resigned him and he ended up scoring 7 goals in 42 games...

andrei


Sat Jan 19 2019 1:52 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/patrik-berglund-sabres-contract-career-sweden/c-304028284

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:53 pm EST

Owning a franchise is an expensive hobby for the owners, here's one way I see one of the costs: "resigning Hayes and Zucc now versus trading them for picks and or prospects and then attempting to resign them after this season. We may have to pay higher if we trade them by the deadline and then look to resign them in the offseason, so there could be an increase in salary/term cost. However, in essence you're (we're, with Dolan's money) paying for prospects and picks which have value hoping one or more of them make it with the big club. Then there's a risk that they sign elsewhere so that's a cost... "IF" we trade HAYES to the AV's or Boston, I think that he's gone, ZUCC may come back to NY regardless. jmon

mf


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:18 pm EST

Puljujarvi- sure seems like his value and production was hyped up by playing on the same line as Laine and Aho for Finland.... his production has been pathetic for EDM... I think NYRs would be stupid to target him in a trade... likely a NHL bust

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 12:16 pm EST

Why does there need to be a metric for who won in a trade? TB needed size and grit. And they needed to round out their defenseman. Stock on McD was likely down due to uneven and banged up. And the window closed on the New York Rangers. So both teams got what they needed. The metric Id us is the SC. If TB wins it? Who cares? Holding together that TB team with their embarrassment of talent ain’t gonna be easy. So, we’ll see. The only metric I really care about is did the New York Rangers get the assets that expedite their rebuild. If they did, then I don’t care if TB “won” the deal whatsoever.

E


Sat Jan 19 2019 11:58 am EST

TDICHI- way to early to argue that TB won the McDonough-Miller trade.... aside the time needed to develop the prospects the NYRs acquired... lets also see what NAMESTINKOV returns on a trade plus you need to factor in what the freed up salary cap space means to the NYRs when they target Karlsson this summer...

schneidw


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:57 am EST

STEVIE: You should know by now that I have absolutely no faith in anyone associated with Rangers management, and haven't for 20 years. It starts with DOLAN and SATHER. I have said it many times before but I don't think the Rangers win another Cup until DOLAN sells the team and SATHER is long gone. As for OTBG....I have no faith in that blind squirrel. Sure, there have been some hits with him and the draft, but there have more misses so far. He has a long way to go to get on my good side. The only X factor for me is GORTON. I still don't have a read on him yet. And I have no idea what he is allowed to do or not do. There are some things that I've liked that he has done. Some things that I haven't liked....not that it matters to him, you or anyone else. I am also in a wait and see mode and have been all year. I feel almost nothing for this team right now. I'm just waiting to see where it goes from here and if this is a quick turnaround to long term mediocrity or a longer term suck and rebuild. We should know by the end of July.

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:45 am EST

Re McD deal...waaay too early to proclaim the winner.

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:44 am EST

TD...you like to argue? No you don't!

RF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 10:06 am EST

Vic I don’t really give 2 $hts about either of those teams . Nor am I sure fishpie can out do either one . I don’t see any fire or desire in him , and I’m not sure he is on the same page as his coach. You can put your faith in him and otbg, I’ll watch the results.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:35 am EST

RF4L - Bingo, Re: GILMOUR. But then again, that's another "hey, you never know" move. Always a chance you end up with a player who just needed a new organization to succeed. But usually, it's a wash...no real matter. Gilmour was/is a zero-risk, all-reward signing...All NCAA UFAs are...I mean, it sucks when you get a HAGGERTY or GILROY...but when you land a VESEY and HAYES? Well, even if those guys haven't matched expectations, it's safe to say they're solid players who can and might be traded for significant assets.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:32 am EST

Re: The Lighting deal - right now, the unequivocal winners of the McDONAGH deal are the Lightning. They got two top-line players who are helping that team dominate the NHL and could very well help them win a cup this year. There is ZERO question that both are playing important roles with Tampa...On the Rangers side, we've got HOWDEN, a work in progress, HAJEK, a work in progress, LUNDKVIST, a work in progress, and NAMESTINKOV, who is the only guy I can point to right now who is looking like a very solid, if not unspectacular add...There's a chance we land the 31st overall pick, which would be nice too...but roll out that deal right now, and we're on the losing end...not to say that Howden doesn't turn into the next BERGERON and Hajek the next McDONAGH and Lundkvist, a John CARLSON and we draft a super-stud player like KUZNETZOV...but we won't know whether anything we got from that deal will be an asset for at least another year or two...maybe more...And assuming the Lightning DO win the cup, the other pick we get will be the 31st overall. Here's a list of the past 10 picks at that position: Jakob MARKSTROM, Mikko KOSKINEN, Tyler PITLICK, Dave MUSIL, Oscar DANSK, Ian McCOSHEN, my boy Brendan LEMIUEX, Jeremy ROY, Yegor KORSHKOV, Klim KOSTIN, and Alexander ALEXEYEV...it's not to say any of those players are bad...but...well...you're probably not going to get a game changer at 31st overall...and we only get to pick that high if they hoist the cup...otherwise we're at 62nd overall...which kind of sucks. Go Bolts!

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:24 am EST

STEVIE: Tell that to Minnesota. They have been a perennial playoff team. Hasn't helped them one bit. And it has prevented them from ever drafting the kind of players that you can actually build a Cup winning team around. I know a lot of folks are concerned that the Rangers might become the next Edmonton. I'm not really afraid of that happening. I'm more afraid of the Rangers becoming the next Minnesota.....

Vic


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:21 am EST

RF4L - Talk to me in April about the Isles. I will concede that LEHNER was a good pickup. I did see that coming. I don't think Buffalo screwed up so much that Lehner decided to move on. He was having substance abuse and mental issues out there and I'm pretty sure both player and team decided a change of scenery was needed...in other words, the feeling was mutual...as for Trotz...well, the only thing the Isles were lacking last year was tending. But without JT, they're lacking depth. This is a team that will get banged like a gong in the playoffs.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 9:12 am EST

andrei - Like I said: You're hilarious. MILLER is on pace for another 50-point season...which would be his third consecutive one. He would be, without a doubt, on the Rangers' top-6...and likely on their first line. He is EXACTLY the type of player a coach like QUINN would play top minutes, which is the irony here...Oh and you forgot to mention that he was out of the lineup for a couple weeks with a shoulder injury...If you really think the reason he's on Tampa's fourth line is because they are souring to him, then you're simply looking to argue. And that's fine. I like arguing.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:56 am EST

IMO Gilmour might fetch at 7th. I suspect what Gorton will do is trade him for another minor-leaguer to give him a chance in another organization. Teams do that a lot - the Rangers did it with McI and Graves...

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 8:54 am EST

The Islanders success so far is a tribute hugely to Trotts. Simply put he's an excellent coach. LL has to take some credit of course for 1) hiring the coach 2) gambling on and winning in signing Lehner (he's giving them the steady goaltending they so desperately needed - Barfalo screwed up yet AGAIN on that decision) and adding the right secondary pieces. FWIW, the Leafs screwed up royally deciding they didn't need Matt Martin anymore. He's exactly what they are missing right now...

rF4l


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:42 am EST

Really trying to win and make the playoffs and just playing 1 round in the playoffs is an invaluable experience for these kids and the coach . It’s a big part of becoming a Stanley Cup contender.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 6:06 am EST

“ The Rangers are 11 points behind the second wild-card spot in the Eastern Conference. They’ve played better lately, winning two straight and three of four to get to 20-20-7, and Quinn said the Boston game is a big one. “Momentum; getting over .500 again; clawing our way back into the playoff picture; living with this result for a long period of time,” he said. “So there’s a lot of reasons why it’s a big game.”

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 5:51 am EST

So the fishstink sans Tavares have as many points as Toronto and beat the craps , and are in 1st place in the metropolitan. Viva Las Vegas has the same amount of points. Coaching and gms matter. Some blame the players others give them credit.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 19 2019 3:46 am EST

tdchi, what's so funny about a future HOF, Miller? It's true. On a Tampa team, he is a 4th liner. He played in total, 625 minutes, only PAQUETTE, Palat, Joseph and Calli played less. I can bet that's because he was slowly moved trough the lineup. At some point, they will be looking to unload his contract..

andrei


Sat Jan 19 2019 3:09 am EST

Wildcard - I've been a big advocate for GILMOUR since he signed here...I've always like his jump from the blueline...but his problem is, he's just not that good of a defenseman. Ten or 12 years ago, a kid like him coming up through the ranks would have been moved to forward...but nowadays, the little guys are left to go through the ranks because there's always a chance they become the next Torey KRUG...Would a team give up something for GILMOUR? Maybe. Probably not though...there are a lot of players of his ilk that get passed around for little more than another AHLer...And I think if the Rangers COULD get something for him, they probably would have by now...his future is very limited with this team...the best possible outcome at this point would be for the Rangers to go full-out liquidation...somehow move two of STAAL, SMITH and SKJEI, and then give him another 20 games to strut his stuff with top-line minutes in the NHL...and then hope for a miracle. There's always a chance...and I'll say this about Gilmour: He's gotten better every year he's played in Hartford...but if we're back into reality now, I'd say his opportunity was last winter...he tried and didn't look too bad...but unlike someone like PIONK, he didn't bring enough to the table to stay...and ultimately, he's either gonna leave via free agency or more likely, get traded so that he has an opportunity in another organization...just ain't no way he's going to leapfrog LINDGREN and HAJEK...and then in a year or two, we'll have GROSS, LUNDKVIST, MILLER and possibly RYKOV.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:59 am EST

Rhet0ric - FWIW, BARRON was nominated for the Hobey Baker this year. The odds of him winning it are...well...not good. But to be one of the 50-something NCAA'ers nominated? That says A LOT for a former sixth rounder. One of four NHL picks on Cornell this year, he's a major reason the team is where it is right now. He had a real good start to the season last year, but kind of petered out toward the end. This year, though, he's been huge for Big Red. Leading the team in scoring. Could end up being our best late round find since HAGELIN.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:53 am EST

SPOONER and BELESEKY were absolutely throw-ins in the NASH deal. Bruins needed to jettison contracts. BELESKEY was a toxic asset. SPOONER was a couple games away from the waiver wire. The Nash deal allowed SWEENEY to save face on two situations the Bruins hopelessly bungled...Beleskey was never worth the ridiculous deal he got...and Spooner was an absolute zero...a guy who they mulled over for years upon years...hoping he'd pull it together...In fact, when that deal went down, I literally spit beer on my laptop screen when I saw those two clowns were in it...Would have been perfectly happy with LINDGREN and a first...would have taken almost anything else off their roster than those two jerk-offs...Gorton pulled an absolute COUP in landing STROME for Spoons...and we're just a couple months away from never having to deal with Beleskey again, so I'm a little tickled at this point and can say we have unequivocally won the Nash deal.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:46 am EST

andrei - LOL. Yeah MILLER. A fourth liner. Kind of like BUCHNEVICH is a fourth liner. Dude, you should pick up comedy.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:43 am EST

ilya - dude, that's the point. You may THINK those guys are going to get you a top-3 pick and a superstar prospect ready to step into the NHL...but let's logic this out for a second...ain't no team out there that's in the running for a top pick that's going to trade said pick for a guy who could walk out the door in a couple months. Never gonna happen. Most years, teams that WANT those players don't have those picks anyway...this year is a bit of an anomaly because the Avalanche and Sabres both appear to be playoff-bound and both appear to have top-10 picks...but neither team will trade them...they'll trade their own first rounder maybe...but I digress...Let me ask you this next: If a team has a 'young player ready to step in' just waiting in their system...why in the ever-loving fuck would they trade that guy for someone 10 years older?!? I mean, think about it. In 2011-2012, the Rangers were in the playoffs and had a young kid named KREIDER out of BC...NHL-ready. Champing at the bit. That year, do you think they would have traded him for...say Mike CAMMALLERI? Oh hell no. And you remember what they did instead, right? They put Kreider in the NHL and rode him to the conference finals...so get this: You may get your trades...Think it's given ZUCC is gone...and the lack of contract talk with HAYES makes me think they might jettison him too...but what you get back...bud, it AIN'T gonna be what you want. Not even close.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:31 am EST

ilya - Ummmm...I guess you don't see the absolute and unadulterated irony in what you just posted...

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:30 am EST

If ZUCC is going to bring back what GRABNER brought back, then it's probably time for the Rangers to consider resigning him. A second and a prospect like RYKOV? That's better than nothing. But it's not better than the player we'd be losing...I actually don't disagree with this assessment...and I'd be curious the type of prospect we'd get...but I don't think we'd get someone like PULJUJARVI...and I'm not so sure I'd be happy with a prospect from the next rung down.

tdchi


Sat Jan 19 2019 2:22 am EST

RF4L - Oh don't get me wrong: I PAY a sizable percentage of my annual salary just to skate two or three times a week...and if someone would PAY ME to skate? Sweet Jesus. I mean, I've dropped in on convos about how lame it is that NHL teams send guys down on paper just so they can pay them "an AHL salary"....well...that "AHL salary" is generally pretty comfortable by most standards. Middle class, at the bare minimum. Even the lowest-paid NHLers are making hand over fist...but that doesn't change the way someone's brain works. You have a life and when you know it's poised to get upturned, it's only natural to withdraw...McDONAGH did the same EXACT thing...he didn't want to leave...and his last few months here were downright awful...but lo and behold, he's back to where he was in his prime now...skating fine. Why? Because he's got a contract, he's on a good team and his life has leveled out...I'm not sure who spoke to Zucc...and I'm also not sure how much the mental aspect of everything has fucked with his game...remember: He was injured for a while...and in today's NHL, where speed and conditioning is everything...even a week out of the gym can really throw you off balance...regardless, I suspect someone pulled him aside and said "look: There's nothing you can do about it. Ain't your fault, it's the way the cookie crumbles. Enjoy New York while you can, don't worry about it, and when the dust settles you'll be fine." Sometimes, that's all it takes. You can say that shit to yourself all day long and it won't make a difference..but when someone else does, it can really lift a weight off your shoulders.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 11:21 pm EST

Interesting Stat... #NJDevils? ?are T-14th in times scoring 3+ goals this season. The only teams that have lost more times when scoring 3+ are Ottawa, Chicago, Florida and the Rangers.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 10:28 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect K'Andre Miller has tallied a power play goal in the first period. He has now registered 18 points (five goals, 13 assists) in 19 NCAA games this season (including tonight).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:49 pm EST

Make that 1 goal and 4 assists for Gilmour....he got an assist on the OT winner

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:48 pm EST

Pack win it in OT. Lettieri's 2nd of the game.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:39 pm EST

Gilmour with a goal and 3 assists so far tonight (think it’s 1 & 3) hard to imagine there wouldn’t be at least some interest in him from a team with low depth. Not so much for ancup run mind you he isn’t that guy, but for a team looking to build and that may not have a guy like him. May not happen during the season, but at the draft perhaps...it also wouldn’t be a shock if he requested a trade....I mean he has a tough path to the NHL with the Rangers.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:34 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... #NYR prospect Morgan Barron has tallied two points (one goal, one assist) thus far tonight. He has posted a multi-point game in four consecutive games (including tonight) and has extended his assist/point streak to six games.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:03 pm EST

I expect him to say whatever he believes to be the truth or what’s he’s told to say. Take your pick , but there’s no reason to say it otherwise. Except to hide the tank . He could very easily say they are rebuilding. But I’ll leave it to you experts .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:29 pm EST

But lets assume for a minute that they do sign DUCHENE on July 1. That would give them DUCHENE, ZBAD, HOWDEN and ANDERSON down the middle. On the wing they would have KREIDER, CHEETOS, KRAPSHOT, STROME, BUCH, VESEY and FAST assuming all are back. And that doesn't count whatever they get back in trades this year, plus the draft in the Spring. That isn't an awful set of forwards. I would prefer a tougher to play against lineup, and maybe some of BUCH, VESEY, FAST and STROME are dealt for those kind of players. So that kind of a constructed team could certainly compete for the playoffs either next year or shortly after that. But I don't see a Cup coming with that core. It gets DOLAN what he wants, but not what I want......

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:22 pm EST

HOSPO: Agreed that there will need to be other pieces moved. MF: Thanks. STEVIE: You can't expect anything less from DQ. But at a minimum they are going to be trading the expiring contracts. There hasn't even been a single word about talks with HAYES or his agent. That isn't a good sign if you want to see him stay here. At this point I would guess that he is going to be traded. So with HAYES, MZA and most likely McQUAID being dealt in a few weeks it is going to be "difficult" to put it mildly, for this team to make the playoffs.

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:18 pm EST

Stevie: You think he's going to say something else?

RDW


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:50 pm EST

Well the mighty Quinney is still saying they want to make the playoffs this season ...

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:48 pm EST

I don’t mind longer term deals for guys who have the wheels. Like Kreider. What I don’t like are deals like that for guys like Staal, who if he loses another step he will need a walker. I would not have been in favor of a longer term deal for a guy like Stepan, and I understand why they moved him.

Bob


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:34 pm EST

for TD: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/ask-me-anything-will-penguins-make-aggressive-upgrades-at-the-trade-deadline

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:32 pm EST

cont... you get a top 3 talent on the UFA market who is 26/27/28 we must consider the options of signing him or them.... That's what I am referring to on "timing."

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:29 pm EST

VIC: Welcome back. IMO Brendan Smith ($4.35mill) must go, sure looks like Staal is here for this season and at least next before the NYR's can entertain buying him out, SKJEI fills a 2nd LHS spot, and then there are 3-5 players vying for the 3rd LHS spot..... "IF" PIONK and Spaghetti-Head stick, we don't need SHATTENKIRK, I'd much rather have a guy like MCQUAID if he'd resign a 2 year deal up to $3mill per.... IIRC you're not a fan a giving high dollar amount long term contracts to the players, however I think timing is a criteria that we have Not discussed around hear as a Component or Variable..... Like Kreider, I dont see an issue signing this guy through age of 35 on his next contract... Stone/Panarin/Duchene, ditto, if their next contract is 5/6/7 years through an age of 35/36...... I don't particularly like 8 year terms, unless the guys are younger and "elite talents."

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:20 pm EST

VIC - Agree with you on the unknown path.. hard to criticize or praise the plan for a future/rebuild/reload until you know what it is...All i know is that the team Gordo has given fans the last two years has sucked and been boring to watch...Hopefully good days ahead and not 5 years ahead..we'll see..But one thought on the rebuild is that if you really want to do it right, it wont be done just by dumping pending UFAs and ther reduced return, you will have to trade some of the folllowing guys: BUCH, VESY,NAMESTNIKKOV, SHATT,ZBAD, KREIDER,SKJEI, FAST and The KIng (if possible) if you really want maximum return and you really want to to change

Hospo


Fri Jan 18 2019 6:07 pm EST

I have been trying to figure out what the actual plan is that GORTON and crew are operating under. With the exception of dealing MILLER they didn't trade anyone last year that wasn't on an expiring contract. In MILLER's case there were supposedly locker room issues with him so there is that. But this year they have literately done nothing other then turn that waste of air SPOONER into STROME. I give GORTON credit on that one. My guess is that he had to take SPOONER in the NASH deal. SPOONER put up points after coming here last year and they wisely resigned him to a reasonable and trade-able contract. As soon as it became clear that SPOONER wasn't ever going to be a part of this team's current or future they moved him for a player who might actually help them But apart from that they have done nothing to tip their hand. And I am starting to get the fear that one of the possible paths in their roadmap is making a strong play for DUCHENE as a UFA on July 1. If they trade HAYES, MZA, McQUAID (the expiring contracts) plus one of either SHATTENKIRK or SMITH they would have plenty of money to do it and resign their RFAs. Just something to keep in mind as we watch the next six months unfold......

Vic


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:59 pm EST

Ilya, privet. Well, Zuc is 31 and at most, he will bring back a 2nd and a B prospect. Hayes will bring a 1st rounder, 3rd rounder and a good prospect. You won't get NHL experienced players in return. These trades never bring NHL players back. Teams that want vets for the playoff run, will not subtract from the roster. Not sure I also agree that last year trades did not bring a good return. Quiet opposite, i might add. In Nash to Boston trade, we got Ryan Lindgren, Ryan Spooner, and Matt Beleskey. Sponner was traded then for Ryan Strome. Grabner was traded to NJ for good prospect (Yegor Rykov) and a 2nd rounder, which, together with Boston 1st (Nash trade), was traded during draft, to grab K'Andre Miller, who might be a best defensive prospect in the system and could end up being a top pair d-man. Lindgren, just maid Rangers debut two games ago. While he is not a top pair d-man, he might end up being a solid 2nd pair d-man. Not too shabby, considering Rick Nash played total 22 games for Boston.. Fan favorite, future HOF, J.T. Miller has amazing 7 goals and 19A this season, playing comfortably on the TB's 4th line, collecting $5.25 mil (which means in NY, he would have being making $6 mil). Great stats. Ryan McDonagh, on another hand, is having an all start season. Still, in no shape or form, Rangers would have re-signed him, after 3 bad years. Maybe he is finally getting healthy, but maybe he on a loaded super team, where he just needs to play his position and rest is taken care of. In return, Rangers got Brett Howden (NHL rookie season) and Libor Hajek, 1st round pick in 2018 (Nils Lundkvist) and a conditional 2nd rounder in 2019 (could be a 1st rounder, if Tampa wins the Cup), plus Vlad Namestnikov. So you tell me, if what Rangers got in return was not enough...

andrei


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:09 pm EST

Grabner on the present nyr would have made a big difference, and avoided some of the fishpie kid rush . He’s a missing needed weapon.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 5:04 pm EST

I would have liked seeing grabner resigned after his debbor disaster but it never happened like it was rumored before he was traded. Think zucchini doesn’t know this ?

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:57 pm EST

We need more than we got last year for Grabs and Miller MCD and Nash , need guys who can step in and help!

Ilya


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:56 pm EST

If the rangers trade Hayes, Zukk they must get a young player who can contribute right away on top six we need players here not just prospects, we don’t need Spooners/Stromes Namestnikovs , we don’t need passengers!!

Ilya


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:19 pm EST

That was ZUCCARELLO that Friedman was saying would garner at least a 2nd and a prospect, so we haven't been too far off.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:14 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman went on an Edmonton radio show and the talk transitioned towards the trade value of two New York Rangers.... “He’s going to get traded. He’s starting to play well. He’s got a proven playoff history. Last year they traded Grabner for a second and a prospect – I think that’s kind of what they’ve looked for. I believe that you guys (Edmonton) at least looked at it. I don’t know that you’re going to do it."

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 4:12 pm EST

“Kevin Hayes, there’s a lot of interest… I don’t think the Rangers are going to have any difficulty moving Kevin Hayes; and as a matter of fact, they’ll probably be able to have a bit of an auction for him. I think one of the things they’re going to wait to see, though, is – for example – is Duchene available. And if he’s not, boy, that drives up the price for Hayes a lot.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 3:03 pm EST

3 months in Siberia?

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:58 pm EST

TD: Well I'd happily trade my career (which hasn't been horrible by any means) for his, even if his destination for 3 months might be Edmonton.

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:51 pm EST

Tdchi it’s hard to get through to the rebuilding purists. They want homegrown so they go weed them out after they turn 30 or sooner. The nyr can’t navigate the cap but Tampa and the playpens et al can . In the not too distant future, many will probably realize it’s the gm unfortunately. I’m waiting for fishpie to prove me wrong.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:47 pm EST

tdchi…..sometimes I feel that way about Zucc too but then I remember Stepan…...nobody wanted to let him go and look what he has turned into....basically nothing to talk about.He was well loved too,but I don't miss him.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:39 pm EST

Broken record time: I don’t know WHY the Jets would ever part with Brendan LEMIUEX...maybe because he gets less than 8 minutes a night...but he’s the type of guy the Rangers should be targeting...I know a lot of y’all want to maximize draft picks for this upcoming selection...but really what the Rangers need to do is find young, NHL-ready players like Claude’s kid...he’s had two multi-goal nights for the Jets this last month, which is crazy considering how little he plays...a guy like that on a line with ANDERSSON would be something to see...especially if they could somehow finagle Jake VIRTANEN for the other flank...you get picks? You get uncertainty. But you get players...well...different story.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:57 pm EST

C’mon RF4L. “Moping?!” The guy has been with one organizationhis entire career. There’s good, if not extremely likely chance that he gets traded. He’s got zero choice in the matter and could very well go from skating in NYC to skating in a goddamn oil field in Alberta in the dead of the arctic winter. He’s got every fan and media pundit trading him here and there for this and that...basically treating him like a goddamn object...despite all that he’s given to this team...remember he came pretty damn close to being a goddamn vegetable in service to this squad...and now he’s getting pitches to the curb like a pile of old newspapers? NTM, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is acting like he’s this fossil...at 31 years old...and he’s moping?!? Tell ya what bud: I’d be a goddamn quivering mess if I was facing that kind of pressure. And when life is sucking every bit of fun out of the sport and career you love? It’s tough to perform...not that it’s the same, but I was facing a job transfer down the street, and that uncertainty made just about everything at my old job seem worthless...anyway...I don’t blame him for struggling. He’s in about as tough a space as a healthy athlete can be in his career...interestingly enough, Patrik BERGLUND just revealed why he flew the coop from Buffalo, and basically it boiled down to the fact that he made his home in St. Louis, the Blues were the only organization he knew and when he was traded to Buffalo, the change threw him into a spiral...and basically hockey was no longer fun...so basically, he quit. Not saying it’s right, but rather players are human and as fans, we often forget this is their life. Zucc has zero control of his destiny until July 1. And that’s a scary place to be...as for what the Rangers told him, I hope that it has something to do with bringing him back...I know the overwhelming consensus among fans is that he’s “too old” and “not worth” a long term contract. I think this is horseshit, frankly. And I think if there’s a player you want the young guys to pattern themselves after, it’s a warrior like Zucc, who never took anything for granted...fought his way into the sport as a small guy...fought his way out of Norway and into North America...the. Fought his way into the Rangers and into a top-6 position...and remember...there were PLENTY of folks here who trashed him along the way, saying he wasn’t ever gonna be anything...but here we are...nine seasons later...and Zucc has more than 100 goals and counting as a Ranger...quite frankly, if the return for him is as small as I think it will be, I’d rather have him as a player...but we shall see.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:47 pm EST

Irving moofman wave your white or rainbow flag.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:36 pm EST

Nieves on that list as well...I knew I was forgetting someone...

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:34 pm EST

That move makes sense, the Pack have 3 games this weekend...well 2 now I think the one game was postponed due to weather, in any case, he can play a few games extra and the Rangers can use Hank for the last game before the break. I would not be surprised to see any or all of Howden, Chytil, Lindgren sent down to play during the break as well. They are young, they dont need the rest really I dont think....Pionk has been playing big minutes so he may need to rest a little.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:31 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers 14s14 seconds ago More OFFICIAL: #NYR? ?have assigned goaltender Alexandar Georgiev to Hartford. In addition, the Blueshirts have recalled goaltender Marek Mazanec from @WolfPackAHL.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:26 pm EST

TD... I saw that on Jensen. I always liked the kid. His ultimate goal has always to get to the NHL. The KHL was his choice to show what he could do. Yes, his contract does expire this season (he signed a 1-years deal with a 1 year option in 2017) and yes he is still NYR property.... Cue to HOSPO poo poo-ing Jensen.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:15 pm EST

GerotolLegs: "This means War!" Hail to Fredonia! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCgHRhHhBAU

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:13 pm EST

NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch ..... Friedman on 31 Thoughts: “Everything that I hear is that Mark Stone wants to come back and they’re going to do everything they can to get it done...I think Stone is priority #1, but is Ottawa going to be able to do both? Stone is a $10M guy and Duchene is not far back.”

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:07 pm EST

Remember Nicklas JENSEN? He’s having a pretty nice year for Jokeriet in the K. There’s this one from a couple weeks ago, where he literally goes end to end on a goal: https://twitter.com/khl_eng/status/1081220441094717443. And then this popped up a couple days ago. Sure it’s a shootout goal, but man...a one-handed drag?!? That’s no joke. Seriously: https://twitter.com/JaniMartin24/status/1085902889464328192. I’m not sure if I’m reading correctly, but I think his contract expires this year. And I know he’s still Ranger property. Looks like he’s beefed up a bit. Listed at 6’4 and 215. I would be on the horn with his agent about making an appearance this season once the KHL concludes next month.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:01 pm EST

#Rangers at practice: 20-93-13, 13-16-72, 26-24-90, 8-21-89, 76-54, 55-22, 42-77. But several guys aren’t skating. #nyr 1 reply 4 retweets 6 likes Brian Heyman ‏ @bheyman99 36m36 minutes ago Kevin Hayes practicing but not scheduled to play tomorrow night. Zuccarello, Fast, Staal not out there. Pionk injured and not practicing. #nyr #rangers #nhl

stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:52 pm EST

Irving moofman no nosen combover, just graying. Are You a bald eagle or do you have the bozo the clown hairdo? Keep it up and you’ll be kicked to off the wall at the border. Now go play with your traderator set . Make sure your armchair has a seatbelt. Put Velcro on the headrest and in the back of your head to avoid whiplash. Now close your lips or you’ll get liplash, which could break your nose and give you blacknblue eyes . Go top 5 pick your nose and toes in poughkeepsie .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:48 pm EST

Maintenance days?.... per Greg Joyce ‏ Verified account @GJoyce9 .... Don’t see Staal, Zuccarello or Fast at #NYR practice.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:14 pm EST

"None days off, ay?" Sure it ain't, "Nun Days off?" Hmmm, how else can we get Top 3 talent? Best to ask Rhet.

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:05 pm EST

GrandpaLegs: As you get older it's harder to accept change. Stop punishing yourself Gramps, it's as common as your "comb-over." It'll be alright, the younger crop coming up will be loyal to the Red White & Blueshirts! ;-) How you doing with the Construction of the Off-Topic Wall?

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:04 pm EST

After Saturday, the NYR's will have none days off in a row. It makes you wonder how many of Chytil, Howden, Lindgren, Giorgiev and Nieves get sent down to see some playing time during the break. Maybe all of them?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 18 2019 11:44 am EST

I hate to admit it but yes, I think Howden has to go down to HTF and get some quality top line mins ,PP and PK. It's time.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 18 2019 11:18 am EST

TD et el: (Something like 38 Days until the Trade Deadline) ... IIRC the STROME for SPOONER trade happened just before the EDM brought HITCHCOCK into the organization.... They are a mess over there and certainly seem to be a trade candidate, however, FishLeg's boy FishPie better go Fishing for a 1st Round Pick that has higher odds to land us a Top 5 in the Draft and therefore, we might not trade with EDM....

mf


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:35 am EST

Stevielegs: However he had lost a step as far back as last year, he still shows that lack of step, but he has done really well at adjusting his game to match his current ability. Every player goes through it as they lose some ability due to "milage" and age. He took a bit of a fall as he was trying to adjust, his game fell off quite a bit, and then he got hurt making it even worse. Thank god they held him out longer to let him get back to 100% and now his adjustments are working and he is looking more like his old self.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:28 am EST

There is always this assumption that because other trades happen first that the Rangers GM is just sitting around and deciding to not make trades. The trades that have happened are not big, theyvare simple with limited assets involved. Those always happen early and always are the signal that the trade market has opened for the year. Unless we want the Rangers brass to just take the first offer, not shop around or negotiate putting multiple teams together things will take a bit of time. Not making a move can be better than making it depending on the conditions. I am sure Gorton is working the phones, emails, and texts. I know that the NHL has a secure network chat type thing as well, I found that out last year draft time, not sure if it’s just andraft thing or an all the time thing, but I bets it’s all the time. If it’s always up I am sure GMs are using that to communicate as well. It seems that for the most part there are multiple teams interested in the players on the market from the Rangers. Some will have to wait, McQuaid for instance. He won’t be the first target for teams, but if they miss out on their top guy they will goto their secondary list, he will be on those I am sure. The bigger names need to move first. There isn’t a lynch pin guy this year really. A couple UFA to be guys that they are waiting for, but they teams looking at those guys are not looking at Zucc and Hayes most likely. I think we will see the Rangers explode in the rumors after this week when they go on heir break....it’s a smart time to disrupt the team because they don’t have games.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 9:10 am EST

Rf4l remember he was playing with a groin injury and then missed games . Many here claimed he was washed up because he’s over 30 .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:58 am EST

Well something woke up MZA. I might be overthinking this, too. It might be as simple as Gorton telling him if he didn't stop the pouting he'd be playing in Europe next year. Gorton would have a good handle on the potential market for him due to what he was being offered, if anything, in trade talks. I know the way he was playing earlier if I'm a GM I'm not very interested. He looked washed up. Now, however, it's a totally different thing.

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:53 am EST

So how bad do you rebuilders want that #1-3 pick? Zucchini and Cheetos or howden or poink? Step right up gms , fantasy hockey continues at 9 am est. while fishpie watches the other gms get a head start. Don’t shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:32 am EST

also on that idea that maybe they told him they were willing to bring him back....that would make sense. I mean if that was the part that was bothering him the most then being told coming back was a possibility would have lead to a turn around like he has had. And it was sudden, he flipped a switch a few games back.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:29 am EST

rf4l: Its rare that I think a player will circle back around to a team that trades him, but for some reason I see Zucc being one of those guys. I dont know if he will be willing to take the deal offered by the Rangers, I am sure it will not be very long and not as big as others will offer. If other teams offer a LOT more than the Rangers I imagine he wouldn't turn down 2 or 3 years and a total of 20 mil to return, but if its the Rangers offering 3 years t 5 mil per vs another team offering 4 year at 5.5 he just might love NY enough to come back. I think the way he has talked about being on the block, it seems like he dodges told anything against the Rangers, that he understands how the NHL works on that side of things, and has accepted that teams need to make these moves. If he continues to have that mentality coming back won't be so far out of the question. Of course that all depends on if the Rangers want him back, but I dont see why they wouldn't, as long as he understands he will take a lesser and lesser role on the team as the youth movement gets into high gear and those kids get better he is a great guy to have around the room and that before his on ice stuff comes into play.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:14 am EST

More thoughts on MZA. He sure stunk until very lately but has been the complete opposite very lately. He is a legitimate top 6 winger when he plays like this. His teammates seem to really like him and DQ has gushed more than once about him. How important to the room is he? My instinct says quite important, meaning it's very possible they want him back next year. Now that would be a nice coup for the Rangers, wouldn't it? Trade him for a first (or a second and legitimate prospect) and bring him back next year. Win for the Rangers and a win for MZA because depending where he goes, he might land himself a cup.

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 8:10 am EST

Here's a thought: MZA's renewed play which is rapidly upping his trade value came after a series of discussions with the coach and others in Ranger management (including Gorton). Could those discussions have included an off the record declaration that the Rangers would offer him a fair deal when he hits the UFA market?

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:57 am EST

Rinse and repeat: Farm out Howden!

rF4l


Fri Jan 18 2019 7:29 am EST

“Rookie Brett Howden, recently demoted to fourth-line center, got two shifts in the third period for an ice-time total of 6:40. The only player to get less time was his winger, Cody McLeod, who got one shift in the third and finished with 4:37.” .... Butchie 10:12 .....

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:18 am EST

re: DeANGELO - Man, I'm glad a few of you are starting to see the bonus with this guy...I wasn't a huge fan of him to start, but man, did the guy show flashes of brilliance...I see why folks are comparing him to Del ZOTTO...both Italianos...both offensive d-men...both prone to making bonehead plays...but man, MDZ could wish to move like DeA even if he was holding a goddamn genie lamp with three wishes left in it...he's very quick and very shifty...MDZ could thread a needle and played the body real good...but he was never a very good skater and certainly didn't have the moves DeAngelo has...So the kid makes brainfarts. OK. Don't give him defensive zone starts. Pair him with someone consistent. Simple as that. But where he is an absolute asset is the powerplay. Man, the kid just moves so fluidly...people see his brainfarts...some see his mouth flapping...and then there's all the personal shit that a lot of folks dislike for political reasons...but see past that, he's one hell of a hockey player. He deserves to be in this lineup full-time. And I hope that doesn't change when PIONK is healthy...because I tell you what...those two are the start of one hell of a blue line...especially with guys like SKJEI, LINDGREN and HAJEK...just mobile in a way that we've never seen on this team. Sure, they'll give up odd-man rushes...but the way you keep a team pinned down is you keep them skating on their heels...you make sure they're too scared to take chances.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 2:09 am EST

mf - I repeat: GETTINGER and PULJUJARVI are nothing...and I mean literally NOTHING alike. Not even physically. Gettinger is actually bigger. Weighs more. But he can't move anywhere near the way the Pulju can. You can have both on your team because one should be playing on your top line and the other can stock your bottom three...You trade Gettinger if you decide he's not going anywhere in this organization...which is a very tough call to make right now...or if the other team is absolutely insistent on getting him...and I don't know many that would be...look, the point is, if the Oilers are willing to trade Puljujarvi, then he's a player the Rangers should target. He's going to be cheaper than trading for the fourth overall pick in this year's, last year's or the year before that's draft...but ain't no way he's going to come cheap. Would the Oilers do him for ZUCC straight up? Probably not. And if they would, I would pack Zucc's bags...even though a good part of me wishes they'd resign Zucc...That's how strongly I feel about Puljujarvi...But all that said, Chiarelli is a deadman walking...and if the Oilers management senses he's gonna liquidate a former fourth overall for pennies on the dollar, they're going to chop him before he can file the paperwork with the NHL...or at least if they know what's good for them...My crazy fantasy is that the Oilers management IS as bonkers as they appear to be and that they really DON'T have any clue about the players they have...certainly seemed that way with Ryan STROME, who at the bare minimum is a solid top-9 guy they kicked to the curb for someone they probably could have gotten on the waiver wire...I sure hope they are that stupid with Puljujarvi...I don't think they will be though.

tdchi


Fri Jan 18 2019 1:23 am EST

By the time Good Ole' Henrik hangs up the waffle ....he will be 3rd overall all time goalie wins ....behind Uncle Daddy & Patrick Roy........

tradestar28


Fri Jan 18 2019 12:20 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/17/henrik-lundqvist-moving-up-the-list-of-nhl-legends/

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:40 pm EST

With LA's win and Chicago's loss tonight, The Hawks are in last place & have played more games than the 3 teams just above them in the standings..... Hmmm, is their first round pick available? https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:15 pm EST

rF4L.....that's pretty funny but no thanks. I was born and raised on the Rock and that's where I'm gonna be " planted" . Being a Newfie and all ,they wouldn't understand me anyway,sort of a reverse language barrier if you will,LOL

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:54 pm EST

MF; i dont think he is constantly looking stretch pass at all. Just saying its a skill of his unmatched by any dman we currently have including that overpaid waste of time Shatt.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:46 pm EST

STEP - yes, I have seen Deangelo make some real good and smooth passes..Itccould be a good part of his game if he gets the rest in order..Not worth comparing him to shittenkirk who shows absolutley nothing at ES

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:45 pm EST

STEP: that's one of my issues with Tony Macaroni... I can't stand 50-60 foot stretch passes which lead to turnovers 95+% of the time when there's a 20-30 foot pass also available which results in maintaining possession 95+% of the time.....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:44 pm EST

RF4L - Dont think I have been overtly negative about these guys this year..just call the inidvidual players as I see them......And I want them to win every game they play--not lose for Hughes or Kaako--..Hell I wish we could get anther strong wing to go with Hayes and give us a two line attack......but these last two games can be very misleading...the effort was there and they were a bit more responsuble but still a one-line show (and they were good the ast two games) agasint a prancing opponent..

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:43 pm EST

rf: nobody can own the TRADERATOR, it belongs to all and to no-one...

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:40 pm EST

mf...I think you need to reboot your trade-r-ater...

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:39 pm EST

Hospo: I recall quite a few beautiful stretch passes from DA this year a few of which have sprung guys on breakaways. I can't recall seeing oh let's pick a Dman say Shatt even springing a guy once all year with twice the ice time. In this day and age obsessing on puck moving defensemen I say DA impresses me more than Shatt in that regard. Much younger and much cheaper. Agreed both lack defensive skills.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:35 pm EST

Geezus TD: I bring up TIM GETTINGER because he's 20, 6'6" 220LBS plays wing and is a physical comparison to Pull-your-Harvey.... Then factor in KRAPSHOT and the point is if you want to trade for PULJUJARVI we might as well trade GETTINGER (which I have no problem with, I think he needs lots of improvement in the skating dept.) I think any trade with EDM can be expanded, there are options..... Where's that trade deadline count-down clock?

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:33 pm EST

Newf: You need to move to Montreal!! ;^)

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:27 pm EST

Geesh Hospo...2 decent wins and you're still overtly negative - dude, you're gonna stir up the kitchen sink at this rate!

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:20 pm EST

The Leafs just beat the TB Rangers. Only problem with that (my Canadian buddies on here know what I mean) is 24 hrs of nothing but Leaf coverage tomorrow on every radio and TV station,every broadcast.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:16 pm EST

Step.....dollars to doughnuts, Boo is going nowhere. I think he will be a Ranger for a long time. Speaking of doughnuts,if anyone was watching that highlight goal against the Hawks that they showed from the 70's....the guy that rushed the puck to centre and shot it in for the assist on the goal was non other than Mr Doughnut himself Tim Horton.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:16 pm EST

STEP - I still dont see anything in Nieves..yes,..he doesnt really fuck up but all he does is skate..similar to some of guys we had a few years ago like Marek Hrviak..Just there..nothing else

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:13 pm EST

STEP - he does have a Higher ceiling becasue of his offense which has been on dispay for, what, two games? but unless he gets alot better and more consistent defesnively..his calling card will be some offesnviely wow games but mostly games when you curse his defensive posititoning, smarts and stregth...DQ seems to have him pegged and is trying to get the most out of him..but all up to tony himself (similar to BUCH and Namestnikov)

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:11 pm EST

Actually pleasantly surprised with Boo. He has been effective without many mistakes. Eventually could be a decent 4th line center on a good team.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:07 pm EST

Newfie: Gotcha on DA. Agreed he has brain farts but which Dman on this squad doesn't. The eye test tells me he has a higher ceiling than Pionk. Much better breakout passer and a bit more dangerous when engaged in the offensive zone. Hope this staff can max his potential.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:06 pm EST

Hospo: "I said son, I'll show you how to catch a chicken."

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:02 pm EST

MC... I call hooking PROSTITUTION, is that okay? In regard to ZUCC, I don't remember saying that the NYR should eat some of his salary, although if they were to make a deal with the OILERS, they would probably need to to get them under the cap. Unless we brought back salary of course.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:59 pm EST

Hospo: More curiosity on my part because the King is all-star bound...I don't care either way because to me it's a loss.

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:57 pm EST

RF4L -Yes..more of a test than these past two waltzes....Why should Georgiev be even considered? Lundqcist with two wins in the last two..Georgiev is a back-up..only should play to give the starter a needed rest..and then sit back down no matter the result..rest not needed right now

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:56 pm EST

Rhet: No way can they afford Panarin, unless they somehow find someone to take Kane or Toews but if so they're just treading water.

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:54 pm EST

MF - exactly on the difference between thse deals..You give Kreider such a deal if you think you will compete for a cup within 3-4 years...You win a cup, who gives a shit about the last two years? But, if it's a 5-10 year rebuild..it makes little sense..

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:53 pm EST

RF4L... CHICAGO is stuck in limbo. There was talk about them being sellers at one point but they can't seem to commit. They also want to be in on PANARIN as a UFA this coming summer. They're very schizophrenic.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:53 pm EST

Hospo: Boston up next. Now there's an interesting test. Wonder if Geo will start....

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:52 pm EST

Step....what I meant by that, is that up until recently ,I thought he was as "stund as me arse" as we like to say here on the Rock. His decisions with the puck had left a lot to be desired,that's all.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:51 pm EST

These last two wins that most Rangers fans dont seem to want remind me of the west coast wins of late last year..Ditto for the strong play of the ZBAD-ZUCC-Kreider line of the last few games which is simioar to the three game stretch tlast year when dickaletti and Nsen were calling for ZBAD to the Hall of Fame..Of course, it was followed by abiut 8 games of invisibility..here's hoping for more wins and consistent play

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:51 pm EST

Good win against a confounding Hawks team whose talent is better than 16 wins. Gotta give Quinn credit, every time I think the rangers will go off the deep end, he pulls them back from the cliff. Toronto could use Zucc hard to imagine they have lost 5 of last 6.

Jake0104


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:50 pm EST

mf...disagree. Yeah, the contract won't hurt as long but it'll still hurt. You only give out those deals if you feel a cup is pending IMO. More importantly, if you're rebuilding you need to consider what assets might fetch now vs what value those assets will be to the organization 2 to 4 years down the road and in a cap world that includes projected salary.

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:50 pm EST

Are they obsessed with making the playoffs ? I mean they ran 3 lines and 5 d for half the game. Congratulations on the win as Howden, Buch, and Lindgren picked wood out of their asses. If they want to showcase players that's fine. Bring up some fodder to ride the pine and get the young guys some minutes in Hartford. Stupid.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:48 pm EST

Glad Z-BAD got the EN goal there at the end. He had a terrific game tonight with nothing to show for it. ZUCC got hosed out of an assist on the KREIDER goal too. Sure he turned the puck over, but he was attempting to pass it to Kreider when he did and it eventually got there. They give guys assists for doing a lot less when the opposing team has touched the puck, so why not ZUCC too? Anyway, classic HANK there at the end with the bad goal at the very end of the game.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:48 pm EST

Toews and Kane are both 30 so from an age perspective not nearly as bad as the other 2. However, they're both making $10,500,000 this year and for the next 4 years. I'd say the former is untradeable but Kane if the Hawks eat say $4,000,000 can be moved. Bottom line is Chicago is PHUCKED for at least the next 3 years, if not more (because you cannot buy out 3 deals of that magnitude).

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:48 pm EST

RF: theres a big difference giving a 29 y/o a 5-6 year deal than SEABROOK an 8 year deal at age 30/31..... https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-blackhawks/brent-seabrook-agrees-long-term-extension-blackhawks .... (https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blackhawks)

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:42 pm EST

Rhet- I don't think the Rangers would have to pick up any of Zukes cap hit. I would think that by the trade deadline, his remaining cap hit would only be around a million or so. Damn team, just doesn't know how to tank. Quit this winning crap for friggin sake!!!!

MC


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:39 pm EST

Time for Ruff to work his magic

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:39 pm EST

Seabrook and Keith have cap anchor contracts that should make the Chicago management folks reboot their brains. The former is soon to be 34 and will make after this season nearly $7,000,000 for 5 more years. Keith will be 36 this summer and has nearly $6,000,000 the next 4 years. Neither are tradeable, pure and simple. Lessons learned going forward for many teams. Yet another reminder about signing Kreider in 2020 for a long term rich contract.

rF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:29 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUYLRlgXBoY

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:27 pm EST

Hospo: They would have to ask them to allow a trade. Toews, Kane, Seabrook, and Keith (also Kunitz and Ward) have FULL NMC's on their deals. They also have Anisimov (10 teams he can be traded to but just this year left on that) and Kruger (7 team no trade list) and Crawford (10 team no trade list) on the roster.....they really are stuck with the direction they are on. HOWEVER I think they feel its just a brief fall, and that they will rebound, even during this year....who knows if that is true, but they for now are stuck....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:25 pm EST

One of my many pet peeves. Its off side, not offsides!!!!!! Just like its hooking, not hookings, and tripping, not trippings and its icing, not icings!!!!!!!! And while I'm at it, its the Stanley Cup Final, not finals!!!!! There I feel much better.

MC


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:08 pm EST

Newfie: Why would you hate to say DA is growing on you ? It would mean he is doing well no ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:07 pm EST

WILD - Yes, but I don't begrudge him or any player one iota fro grabbing the money..wish some wouldnt and wuld stay but that's not sports anymore..Only rare excdptions

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:04 pm EST

Not the Rangers...but the Blackhawks are a bad team going nowhere with top players like Toews, Kane,Keith, Seabrook..Haven't read much about them..are they gonna do another tank/revuild? If so, those guys could fetch ALOT..Just curious

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:04 pm EST

HOSPO: Thats the real catch...the price tag for Cally....if he didnt want so much for so long he probably would have retired a Ranger....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:01 pm EST

RF4L - Both Gourde and Miller have fallen off but that team has so much talent..would love Cally on our 4th line..not for that price..but still..:)

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:59 pm EST

Future all-star JT Miller on the bolts 4th line (with Callahan).

RF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:55 pm EST

Newfie: If DeAngelo can keep playing like this he will be really good moving forward....but if he reverts like he has in the past...those good feelings will be lost...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:52 pm EST

Oh yes, and can these ass-hole linesmen stop throwing guys out of the circle....it's ruining the game ,every game.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:50 pm EST

May this kid Lindgren never see another AHL game again. Big,strong,smart ,not afraid to go and gets back quick.....and I hate to say it, but Tony D is starting to grow on me a little.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:33 pm EST

ZUCC almost gave that away..but nice follow by Kreider...still Zucc upping his trade value for hopefully something other than Pulujarvi

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:28 pm EST

td: agree on PULJUJÄRVI.....I am a Getting fan, I think he could turn into a good 4th line and PK guy at the NHL level but I never have thought he could be more than that...if he made it to a 3rd line player I would be stunned and very happy indeed. PULJUJÄRVI is a top 6 forward with skilled size, a guy who looks to shoot before looking to pass. The Ironic thing that would be in a trade of Zucc for him would be that he would probably thrive with a Zucc type on his line....but if Zucc can get a kid who is 20 and still has the potential to be Kreider like in his game you have to jump at it....if Zucc gets him AND a 2nd rounder...holy crap...do we have to wait until the game is over?

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:19 pm EST

Was hyper close, but even with the blue line up too infinity his foot went too far forward I think....still one hell of a play from DeAngelo and Zbad....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:17 pm EST

ZUCC was offsides....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:16 pm EST

Deangelo shining in Ice capde hockey the last two games...better than not..Nice shot by ZBAD..that he has..

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:16 pm EST

TD...lol...you sure know how to make friends and influence people...lol... 'reboot your brains'. Lol...

RF4l


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:16 pm EST

Tony d wants poinks job

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:15 pm EST

Better than Shatt

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:15 pm EST

ZBAD = BeastXor

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:11 pm EST

Those were the days.........I remember taking the LIRR home from Penn Station to Oceanside.....and you always had these older big burly Ranger fans on the train home and they were in for alteast 10 of those $6 beers each during the game.......One night after a tough loss they start talking about the movie "My Girl" with McCauley Caulkin and the scene when he dies from the bee stings and his girl friend (Veta) comes in and starts talking to him in the casket to put on his glasses....and these guys were like, "Yea....that made us cry".......lol

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:06 pm EST

Sweet LORD. We’re comparing PULJUJÄRVI to Danny GONEAU and Tom GETTINGER?! REALLY?! Y’all need to back up, take a deep breath and try to reboot your brains. I’ll tell you the points of comparison between those players: they are male and all play hockey. That’s it...look, I’m a big fan of Gettinger, but he couldn’t hold Puljujarvi’s jock strap, much less his jock, or much less any point of comparison with him. Puljujarvi may never be a superstar. And hell, he may never be a full-time NHLer...but the talent is there in spades. He is a genuine top tier prospect who I would rank WELL ahead guys like BEAR and YAMAMOTO. He’s had a rough adjustment to the NHL...but he’s also never been on a team that has let him settle in and play his game. This guy had A TON of pressure on him when he came to Edmonton. People thought he was gonna be McDAVID’s Jari Kurri. And frankly, I think he could have been and still could be. He needs a place where he can make mistakes without getting jerked around like a goddamn cat toy every time the coach or GM wants to save face in the press. He’s big, strong, fast and physical...and because the flaming retards in Edmonton are so goddamn impatient, he’s already getting compared with busts that couldn’t hold a candle to his skill even when they WERE prospects...is he a guarantee? Nope. But if we must trade ZUCCARELLO, then he is EXACTLY the player we want back...very much more so than a pick or whatever other trash that is kicking around that doomed organization...mind you: THIS I A 20-YEAR-OLD...I honestly think some fans get him confused with Magnus PAAJARVI, they speak of him so dirisively. Like, if we got him alone for Zucc, we’d be FAR ahead of the game...and fans in Edmonton would likely be finding a Lynch mob for Chiarelli.

tdchi


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:04 pm EST

Cheetos just upped his trade value. Need that #1 pick

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 8:00 pm EST

tradestar - wasnt there but, man, those were the days...of great hockey and rivalaries..winning helped too!

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:58 pm EST

World class by Chytil . I made the same move in 1973 at the Long Beach arena

Jake0104


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:57 pm EST

in 1994

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:56 pm EST

Hospo....reminds me of the sweeping 4th game of Rangers/ Iceholes in 1st round of playoffs.....Not sure u were there......but after that win, which I think was 6-0.....when the Rangers fans came out of that dump....with the doors literally breaking off the hinges to thousands of Rangers fans chanting "LET'S GO RANGERS".....and taking it to Hempstead Tpke with fuckin brooms in hand in the traffic.....

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:54 pm EST

I love that little play by Chytil…….gives him a couple of extra strides w/0 the puck to beat that D to the outside...Sweet.Love the way he cut in too !...….Hey STEP, stop firing all our coaches,there'll be no one left on the bench (LOL)

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:53 pm EST

rofl Hospo

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:50 pm EST

I really don’t like the dump in go for a line change giving up possession concept

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:49 pm EST

tradestar - N...the chants of 1940 would still be raining down

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:48 pm EST

A pretty putrid first 14 mins for most of the team then a sweet play by Chytl and good play by ZBAD and it's 2-1..happens quickly

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:47 pm EST

Didnt realize how well Amonte did with the Hawks.....wow.....some sick #'s.....What if the Rangers kept him and Gartner and Granato? Dynasty!

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:46 pm EST

That is it! Tony Amonte......good call!

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:45 pm EST

Zuuuuucccckkkk!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:45 pm EST

Trade tgo too

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:45 pm EST

Amonte?

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:44 pm EST

so who scored 30 goals with both Rangers and Blackhawks? I see Larmer only had 21 wit us......lol

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:39 pm EST

Filip Filip Filip!!!!! What a GOOAAAALLLLL!!!!

rangerlou


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:38 pm EST

sweet move by Chytl..good to have a kid with that skill and show it

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:37 pm EST

That was a Rick Nash / Columbus Blue Jacket move if i ever saw one

tradestar28


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:36 pm EST

That was sweet by Chytil.

Bob


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:36 pm EST

Chytil.....wow.....he keeps trying that move and finally it worked for him....my goodness....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:35 pm EST

Heatil

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:33 pm EST

RDW: I agree on Vesey. I thought that with the style of game DQ wants that Vesey would find another level and start really contributing to the team, even if it didn't come as points right away I thought he would be more visible night in and night out....but the opposite has happened, he has become less impactful each night, I just dont get it. He has the ability to play so much better, I mean we have seen it. I am sure other teams have seen it to and the return wouldn't be too bad for him.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:30 pm EST

and this first period, like many nights. it's a full plane...woud have thought the victory the other night would have them skating with rockets up their arse

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:29 pm EST

RDW - but this team is full of passengers..just changes night to night..or even period to period

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:27 pm EST

Speaking of guys we should trade at the deadline...adios Vesey. Other than a nice week or two of play earlier in the season he's been nothing but a passenger IMO

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:21 pm EST

Fire Ruff

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:20 pm EST

Blame hanky on that goal , trade him

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:16 pm EST

I like what he brings but irresponsble play by Mcleod..now a real PP!

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 7:14 pm EST

How did the BlackHawks get a PP before the game even started??

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 6:48 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Mika Zibanejad and Mats Zuccarello both enter tonight's game with a three-game point streak, and each player has recorded six points in the last three games (Zibanejad - two goals, four assists; Zuccarello - three goals, three assists). #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 6:40 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Following today's win with SKA, #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin has posted a 19-3-1 record, along with a 1.22 GAA, a .947 SV%, and 8 SO in 23 appearances this season, including a 5-0-0 record with a 0.60 GAA, a .971 SV%, and 3 SO in his last five appearances.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 6:06 pm EST

Ilya for whatever reason Quinney keeps giving them too much ice time, and then he wonders why they usually lose.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:49 pm EST

We should get Daniel Goneau out of retirement he would do better lol

Ilya


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:43 pm EST

Jesse Puljujarvi... 6'3", 203lbs, fast, playmaker, strong on the puck and physical presence... why would the NYR want any part of that? ... He hasn't put it all together on the OILERS, a team known for having no idea on how to develop players ...shocking.... but sure, I'm certain out there somewhere is a deal for ZUCC where we get a top 3, can't miss Blue Chip prospect, because that happens.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:41 pm EST

Steve, right now majority of those players other than Hayes, Zib, Kreider all I see are bunch of Floaters , Stromes/Spooners Butch,Namestnikov, Vesey , Howden , JT would outscore any of those floaters all by himself!!

Ilya


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:30 pm EST

Ilya not these rebuilding posters , they are age discriminators. But they might have been at diversity night . Fishboy needs to be gutted . He started this bs , and offered a free cruise to nowhere. And they jumped on board the titanic. There can’t be many good players that would chose this mess as a destination right now.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:18 pm EST

Puljujärvi Is a 12 goal scorer but let’s trade Zukk for him just bc hes young, we need players here who can perform and help the team not just a young players for the sake he’s young !!!

Ilya


Thu Jan 17 2019 4:35 pm EST

Pierre LeBrun ‏ Verified account @PierreVLeBrun 32m32 minutes ago More Pierre LeBrun Retweeted TSN Hockey Hurricanes still hope to go out and get another top 6 forward before Feb 25 and use a d-man to do it.

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 4:03 pm EST

E.....yes, I've liked Bennett as well, young and aggressive. Only thing I don't like is that he has been a Minus player since he got here.Like you said....a change of scenery can do wonders. A big NO to this guy Puljujarvi or however you spell it? Not what we need here at all. IMO

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:41 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Nils Lundkvist posted a plus-two rating in Lulea's win today. Lundkvist leads all SHL defensemen younger than 20 years old in assists (five) and points (six) this season.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:35 pm EST

A guy I saw live a few times who is occasionally rumored to be available is Sam Bennett. Calgary are also rumored to be buyers. I like the way he was physical and went to the net. He probably is in need of a new home to take the next step since he’s been much maligned as a bust in Calgary. Not tying anything credible. Just thinking he is more the kind of guy that plays a DQ coveted style.

E


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:34 pm EST

E, didn't consider Stepan as the marking of 3 years but it's valid.. I threw in the towel on trying to trade Staal and he with McQuade are fine for 3rd pair which give us some pairing options.. Staal can be bought out after next season with little cap hit and at a time where Girardis cap hit drops from $3.611 mill to $1.611 mill..

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:23 pm EST

MF: despite a recovery season in progress I’d love it if the New York Rangers found a new home for Staal. More difficult said than done. But as I’ve mused, I see this deadline and the draft as the end of the great purge. They should be waiting for development and adding the right parts going forward. That will have given Gorton three seasons of the great purge by if we consider the Stepan trade as the kickoff. You have your core, your kids, and now you need to add some juice. Adding a guy like that will be possible in July. Getting some prospects and picks are available beforehand.

E


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:19 pm EST

Hmmm, if you don't draft a player or buy a player, what is a third option that you can use to get said player? Hmmm.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:07 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl 3m3 minutes ago More TRADE: Nino Niederreiter to the Hurricanes, Victor Rask to the Wild. A swap of forwards who both sides are no doubt hoping benefit from a change of scenery.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:03 pm EST

limbo: Actually best bet is a married couple....thats what it always "sounds" like lol

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:02 pm EST

Limbo: "you're on double secret probation!"

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 3:01 pm EST

RDW: I do not recall a recent year when an entire first line was available like this on the UFA market (and I don't care to research it) all I know is that 3 years on a downtrend is enough, we either buy the Talent, draft the talent, or ask RHET....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:55 pm EST

I'm still trying to figure out mf and stevie. Are they best friends...or mortal enemies...or both...

limbo


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:55 pm EST

RDW, bite your lip young man: PANARIN/STONE/DUCHENE are all 27 + 28 years of age, this is no 35+ signing, this proposal is a 3 year rebuild and we better do as good or better this year trading and drafting than last year.... That's why we gut down to the studs this season and we may need an additional seed or two for next seasons "LAFRENIERRE" sweepstakes..... You buy those 3 at $24mill 6-7 years and you have Zbad & Kid K, we have a few solid 3rd 4 liners already: FAST, CHYTLE, HOWDEN, STROME, ANDERSON, one of VESEY or BUCH, or NAMES may not get traded, and we're looking deep up front.... Can they play Defense is another story and the key to winning IMO, but thats another conversation

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:48 pm EST

Internet GM's" Is Puljujarvi similar to our GETTINGER who has not impressed me during his two stints on the big club this year... And then there's VITALY KRAVTSOV on the horizon...

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:45 pm EST

MF: Did your diploma from the Glen Sather School of General Management just come in the mail?

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:45 pm EST

Offer MCQUADE a 2 year deal at $3mill per after this season... It may be a lot for a 3rd line Dman, but the "INTANGIBLES CLARISSE" THE INTANGIBLES, don't forget The Intangibles....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:43 pm EST

I've had the same reservations regarding Puljujarvi since he came up on the radar a few months ago. Outside of a great WJC a few years ago what has he done? How much of it is his own doing vs being caught up in a shit organization like EDM? If he can't find ice time on a team that's supposedly thin up front I don't think stock should be very high atm

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:38 pm EST

Here's The Deal for the umpteenth time: Keep Kid K, Z'bad, Chytil, Howden, Fast, Strome, Hank, Staal, Pionk, & Skjei, trade everyone one else for prospects and picks, then go out and "Buy a 1st Line!" Panarin, Duchene, AND Stone.... You know 2 of those 3 are going to sick on the 1st, and the other one may drop to the 2nd line.... We can easily accumulate 3rd & 4th liners, and then we focus on back-filling the defense... With Hank/Georgie/Shestervodkaface, we're set in goal for a looooong time...... Next year, we'll make the Playoffs

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:38 pm EST

this fits you moofpie....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EZCtXpIVXs

stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:29 pm EST

Legs, wave this! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPOAhBp2Ag

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:26 pm EST

Irving moofman wave your white flag with your Benedict Arnold hoodie tied around your neck real tight .

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:20 pm EST

RF4L - I wouldn't aim for the Puljujarvi kid but perhaps a deal for one of our own inconsistent floating youngsters like BUCH or Vesey might work as all need a change of scenery?...OTOH, all it might do is bring in what we are dealing..All I know is we gotta get kids that play the game the coach wants to play and not sure Puljujarvi is that!!!!

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:10 pm EST

Jesse Puljujarvi had something like 13 shifts and 6 and a half minutes of icetime in the Oilers' OT win against Vancouver last night. Is this kid deserving of these minutes? If so, I'd be leery of acquiring him unless he's nothing more than a throw-in.

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:10 pm EST

JESSE PULJUJARVI: is this kid a top 6 candidate? Last I recall the NYR's need top 3....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 2:07 pm EST

For sure it's a no-brainer to retain salary if needed this year.

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:58 pm EST

RDW - In my opinion, if it's a player you want, I rather not play Russian roulette in UFA when everybody has a shot...So...if DQ and Gordo want to keep him, I think they should decide now whether, given his and/or his agents demands, you can sign him..if so..do it...If you dont like him enough or the demands are too high..then trade him and move on..

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:55 pm EST

Rhet: I would be extremely happy with wither of those two possibilities. Retaining cap hit this year is nothing at all to get a top end return....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:54 pm EST

oh and what 30% of his wins have come by shutout....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:54 pm EST

HysteriaLegs: Did you buy your Islander Jersey yet? Rumor has it that Kitchen1 has an extra.....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:53 pm EST

I like the way this guy thinks..... "But given Edmonton’s cap space situation, it seems likely the Oilers would need the Rangers to retain some salary on Zuccarello. That might drive up his price into the first-round pick category. At the same time though, the Oilers have Jesse Puljujarvi as a trade chip. Assuming the Rangers are interested in him, this might let them get an upgrade without parting with a valuable draft pick".... "The Oilers are just two points out of a playoff spot as of Jan. 16. They’re mostly fighting for one of the Western Conference’s two wild-card spots, as they are already 13 points out of third place in the Pacific Division. The Oilers will be fighting with some combination of the Minnesota Wild, Dallas Stars, Colorado Avalanche, Vancouver Canucks, and Anaheim Ducks for a total of two postseason spots. Zuccarello is a player who could help them grab one of those spots." .... http://nhl.nbanewsnow.com/would-mats-zuccarello-be-a-good-fit-for-the-edmonton-oilers-national-hockey-league-news/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:52 pm EST

He has almost twice as many shutouts as losses of any kind....thats is just impressive....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:52 pm EST

RF: like your thinking however, me thinks that we must get a 1st round pick out of Boston for "this years" draft. SO, if we have to toss something into the deal to get them to cough up their 1st, so be it.... WE could offer the conditional 2nd rounder we got from TBL "only" if TBL Does Not win the SCF, and if TBL does win the CUP, they get our "3rd" round pick, Not our 2nd round pick... We may need to add a prospect to that in addition....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:52 pm EST

I dont care who you are, this is a damn good record---->NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo 2m2 minutes ago More In 90 KHL appearances since the start of the 2016-17 season, #NYR prospect Igor Shesterkin has posted a 74-9-4 record, along with a 1.55 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 23 SO.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:51 pm EST

Trade haze zucchini Captain Kirk smith mcqualude stinky quickie iCloud Strome kid k Freddie Shea Butchie ZBAD vesey DeANgelo throw in staal hanky and Georgie boy... did I miss anyone? ... or wait how about howden and Cheetos for that #1 pick ? You have to give to get ... fishpie has everyone overboard and available as chum... rinse and repeat...

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:49 pm EST

rf4l: I think we might see at least one conditional trade. I think those are going to get more popular around the NHL because of the lottery system now in place and the Canes moving up from 13 to 3 or whatever it was. Teams now see that slight chance as a good chance, and don't want to be too hasty to give it up for a rental without some assurances. The AVS we mat see do something like that. Their first if they dont make it to the WCF and if they do its the OTT first type thing also with conditional stuff coming back, like an extra 2nd or a 3rd that comes back if they give up the higher 1st....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:32 pm EST

How about Hayes to Boston for their prime prospect and next year's 2nd that turns into a 1st if he resigns there? Or maybe a 2nd this year that becomes a first if Boston makes it to the final four...

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:29 pm EST

Looking at the AV's: ZUCC & McQuaid (both rentals) are good fits in their line-up... ZUCC is a 2nd line guy which they desperately need, and can play on the PP's 1st or 2nd unit.... McQuaid would replace the someone like LHS RYAN GRAVES as their 6th D'man, McQuaide is a RHS (which they need) who brings Veteran Leadership & Grit to the backline.... Now, those two won't get us Ottawa's 1st rounder, but it will get us something.... HAYES to BOSTON makes a lot of sense, SO, if the AV's want HAYES, BOSTON seems like a good lever to get The AV's to cough up that 1st round pick.......

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:05 pm EST

RDW: Exatamente'! Trade Hayes, get the return, and if he's available at seasons end, re-evaluate

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 1:00 pm EST

Hospo: It was right after the "Creedence Clearwater Revival!" What's with you lately? Get with the program. :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbI0cMyyw_M

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:56 pm EST

Rhet: a little more specific please: ETHAN BEAR? We have limited trade partners, and personally, I'm not opposed to unloading SHATTENKIRK and his $6.65 mill. Unlike our friend to the North RF, I believe that if we had to eat $650K, Shattenkirk has appeal... The there's Darth MCQUADER as a RHS Rental who should fetch us a 2nd round pick for this or next year... "IF" EDM needs depth / reinforcement on the LHS, BRENDAN SMITH is available.... I believe that EDM needs a Forward, and both a LHS & RHS Defenseman..... OSCAR KLEFBAUM (ha, made him Jewish!) has been out and may not return before the All-Star Game...... So if EDM is Serious about Playoff Hockey and righting their ship, we have what they need, and if they'll eat $1mill of LUCIC's salary, I'm open to examining what our options are if we take him back in trade.... SO, in all likelihood and because they are "Cap Strapped" to the Gills (Legs :-) 1 D'man & Zucc go to EDM for?????? "IF they want out of Cap Hell, they must pay, and pay dearly.....

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:53 pm EST

Cont ....Mats Zuccarello.... Although he shoots left, Mats Zuccarello can play the right wing and could be a nice rental option for the Bruins on a line with Krejci and DeBrusk. After a slow start to the season, Zuccarello has rebounded quite nicely and is starting to post numbers. He admitted to Larry Brooks recently that the trade talk was impacting his game, and one has to think that when his future is settled his performance will return to career norms.... Zuccarello still has 21 points in 33 games this season and has lit the lamp seven times for the Rangers. At 31, he’s likely seen his best days go by, but Norway’s finest is still a productive player with a few seasons left to run. I’m not sure I would invest in him moving forward, but I firmly believe that he would help a contending team this spring.... Zuccarello is a strong passer who has an underrated amount of skill in his game. He was always overshadowed by the big dogs with the Rangers, but he was always a strong contributor with the club during their best seasons. Although he doesn’t bring the physical element that Bruin fans love, he does bring a ton of speed to the table, which could benefit the Bruins when they eventually meet teams like the Toronto Maple Leafs and Tampa Bay Lightning in the playoffs.... A Deal To Be Made? ....After the Blues, I think the Rangers are the best bet for the Bruins to target this deadline season. There is no doubt that the Rangers will be selling, and they have a number of players who would help the Bruins. I can’t help but think that Hayes makes the most sense as an individual target in the league outside of Brayden Schenn. Like Schenn, Hayes can plug multiple holes and adds another weapon to a Bruin offense that will need it against the Leafs and Bolts.... Zuccarello may only cost a second and a prospect and could be a nice backup plan should the Bruins decide they don’t want to pay a premium for help this deadline season. Kreider, who we didn’t touch on in-depth because I’m not sure he’s the best fit for the Bruins, could be a target as well for the club. There is a plethora of options here for contenders, and that makes the Rangers a team to watch when it comes to Bruin trade talks in the next month.... https://thehockeywriters.com/boston-bruins-trade-targets-new-york-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:50 pm EST

Bruins Trade Targets – New York Rangers ....Kevin Hayes.... Don’t worry, this won’t be a Jimmy Hayes 2.0 situation for the Bruins. Kevin Hayes has established himself as a strong top-nine forward in the NHL and could give the Bruins a perfect third center behind Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci. Hayes, who is a free agent on July 1, represents arguably the best rental option for the Bruins this deadline season. He’s a local boy with offensive flare and would fill a major hole in the lineup.... Hayes, who has 33 points in 39 games this season, is averaging 19:26 per game for the Rangers while managing positive possession numbers. At just 26, he isn’t out of gas by any stretch and could even be a long-term solution if he’s willing to take a hometown discount to stick in Boston after the season. After all, the Dorchester, Massachusetts native could be a hero in this town if he comes back and makes a positive impact.... This is a player that brings a typical Bruin mix to the table. He’s big (6-foot-5, 215 pounds), has decent two-way ability and isn’t afraid to mix it up with physical play. His offensive ability and versatility makes him even more appealing, as he could fill the vacant third center spot or play right wing with Krejci and Jake DeBrusk.... In terms of assets out, Hayes is the Rangers’ best trade chip this season, meaning they will likely want a first-round pick for him. Are the Bruins going to be willing to give that up for a rental piece? I’m not quite sure they will after giving one up for Nash last season. That said, Hayes is a pretty solid fit and the Bruins could get creative by dealing one of their prospects along with a lesser draft pick... https://thehockeywriters.com/boston-bruins-trade-targets-new-york-rangers/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:42 pm EST

Hospo: We can still sign Hayes over the summer. Why resign him now?

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:15 pm EST

Kevin Shattenkirk's revival?? Did I miss something? But, by all means, please make him tradeable!..Given his contract, if somebody really likes him (don't know why!), you might get something decent in return....Guys like Zucc and McQ might fetch something decent also but I wouldn't hold my breath..I think the return for them and HAYES will be less than people think or want..still rather re-sign Hayes to an extension

Hospo


Thu Jan 17 2019 12:08 pm EST

Poor old Del Zotto traded once again...….let's hope that Tony D is not just a right-handed Del Zotto ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:54 am EST

Geez, this kid is unreal... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1085942228059635712

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:51 am EST

MF...Ethan Bear is also a RHS offensive defenseman that they're very high on. Why would they need both?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:44 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/16/kevin-shattenkirks-revival-could-hasten-his-rangers-exit/

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:37 am EST

Which side does EDM need more; a LHS or RHS D'man?

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:36 am EST

Rhet: you're weakening ;-)

mf


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:31 am EST

Would be nice to offload Zucc and Shatty to EDM but I doubt it could work salary-wise

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:30 am EST

RF4L... Seeing reports that Edmonton thinks they can get Zuccarello relatively cheap. I look at Edmonton's prospect list and I don't see too much to get excited about... We're not going to get Kailer Yamamoto or Ethan Bear (arguably their two best prospects)... I would do Bouchard and a 2nd just to make MF happy :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 11:07 am EST

Canucks trading Del Zotto to Ducks for Schenn a 7th is kind of odd... what's even more odd is they traded #35 on TSN's trade board for #36 ...RF4L... Kidding... I've said before I would do Zucc straight up for Puljujarvi but now I'm willing to settle for him and a 2nd.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:30 am EST

Wild: Yeah, watch Gorton make that deal and the Rangers end up drafting in the top 5 and the Oilers going deep in the POs, to the point where the difference between the 2 swapped picks being 6 or 7 spots!!!

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:24 am EST

Rhet: From what I've read this AM, the Oilers wouldn't do that trade because MZA is a rental. Mind you, if MZA keeps playing like he has over the past week, his value will continue to escalate.

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:23 am EST

FWIW, TSN.ca has a top 45 trade bait list. On it are the following Rangers: MZA 4th, Hayes 13th, Kreider 24th and Name 40th.

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:20 am EST

RF4L.... I would do a 2nd and Jesse Puljujarvi for ZUCCARELLO. A player that could join the team now and a 2nd is equivalent to what we got last year ...and.... As everyone knows, he's a good player just because he's young.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:18 am EST

How about MZA to the Canes for a 2nd and that Fox kid?

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 10:11 am EST

RF4L: Totally agree....Zucc plus a prospect...even a 2nd rounder. They have 2 2nd rounders right now, theirs and the TBL conditional. Worst case for the Rangers is one of the last few 2nd round picks as the only 2nd rounder. Best case is having the TBL 1st (31st overall) a Oilers mid first round pick and their own first round pick. I think that would more than make up for not having any in the 2nd round and "only" having the TBL 2nd rounder with another 1st isn't bad either....and that's before other trades are made to get picks back. If the oilers are dangling their 1st you have too make a run for it

Wildcard


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:55 am EST

Definitely Gorton should be chasing the Oilers first rounder - it's quite possible it'll end up being a lottery pick. Worse case scenario is likely high teens...

rf4L


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:49 am EST

Per Elliotte Friedman 31 Thoughts....."Oilers are looking everywhere for forward help. They would prefer to avoid giving up a major young piece for a rental. Sounds like they’ve checked into the recently resurgent Mats Zuccarello, who had three assists in the Rangers’ 6-2 win over Carolina on Tuesday. Last season, the Rangers dealt Michael Grabner for a prospect and a second-rounder; that’s probably where they’d like to go with Norway’s Finest."

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 17 2019 9:47 am EST

https://www.nicholsonhockey.com/archives/2019/1/17/dreger-on-oilers-first-rounder-trade-mindset

RDW


Thu Jan 17 2019 6:55 am EST

Forgot to mention the mandate: make sure Nob For Life keeps involved and screwing things up for anyone else doing the job.

NYStranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 6:52 am EST

The real failure is with ownership. Dolan mandates: 1) playoff revenue 2)marketable names for the marquee 3)build a winner. Etc. somewhere down the list around #56 is build a SC winner the right way.

NYStranger


Thu Jan 17 2019 5:39 am EST

Irving moofman fishpie is playing with himself basically firing guys he hired. When you fire someone 2 people failed , the person and the guy that hired them. He’s trying to protect his phony balaney job . Whoever he trades by the deadline will only make the nyr weaker this year if he’s only getting picks and prospects. And they will more than likely have a worse record next season. Can’t wait to see his next cya moves . The season ticket holders must be having so much fun trying to resell their tickets. He needs to call the your marketing plan sucks guy.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:47 pm EST

Senators 5 AV's 2 ....... FishLegs, did you call Fishboy and have him rattle Colorado Joes Rocky Mountain Oysters? Get us that #1 pick....

mf


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:44 pm EST

https://twitter.com/ECHL/status/1085727359825784833

Wildcard


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:14 pm EST

I'm serious about not so serious games! Senators 4 AV's 1

mf


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:58 pm EST

Still alot of stange games in the NHL...not yet serious time..that starts in about a month..well, for most teams

Hospo


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:51 pm EST

Senators leading the AV's 3-1 end or 2... They were leading 3-0 late into the period, AV's obviously potted one.

mf


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:29 pm EST

E - Sorry, I dont believe it..Carolina game not withstanding (didnt see it)..Whe he "drives to the net" he rarely does..he almost alesy keeps it wide and goes around the net...He has become a better tow-way player this year..but i think we just see him differenty

Hospo


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:21 pm EST

HOSPO: believe it or not Zib scores the majority of his goals from within the 8' arc. He doesn't get in there consistently and that's the real argument. When he takes the goalies eyes and gets more of the digging pucks scores. Thats when he's effective. When he is playing on the perimeter and trying to lace pucks from off the boards or from sneaking around the far side that's when his offense dries up. But his best skill like Chris Krieder is jumping the defense and using his speed to cut in. Again, not his consistent setting. Against Carolina Zib was shoulder low and driving the net. He was getting there and not allow the other defense to box him out. That guy just isn't around enough.

E


Wed Jan 16 2019 6:52 pm EST

Very good point and stance by DQ regarding BUCH..I rarley consider PP goals as a sign of anything but talent on open ice and that is the only thing thaat hasnt been Buch's problem.........E - "Guys like Zib who have to endure the physical play in order to get their goals"..Cant say I understand that....not the zbad i know since beiuing a Ranger..always liked staying outside and away from traffic...And, yes, that used to be Hayes problem also...He still doesn't really assert his size but he goes to and around the net alot more than he used to.....RHET - goood point about Planes, Hayes and auto..err.. injuries..I guess secrecy is in vogue

Hospo


Wed Jan 16 2019 5:19 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 9h9 hours ago Ryan Lindgren was brought up because he had the best first half of any defenseman at Hartford. But his competitiveness sure comes at a good time. #NYR notes: Hayes eyeing Thursday return; Pionk, Claesson both out through break; McQuaid game-time.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:49 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... DQ on Zuccarello's state of mind: "He’s a sensitive guy, he loves being a Ranger, and we love having him here. You know, there’s a business aspect to all this; there’s an uncertainty piece to it – that’s not easy for people to handle. We’re all human beings. (more)''.... Zucc, cont'd: "... You see these athletes getting paid big bucks and they’re human beings. And he and I have had a lot of discussions about it. Nothing was resolved, but just the fact that there was a lot of talk... I just think he’s in a better place, mentally."

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:48 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Pavel Buchnevich is staying on the fourth line, David Quinn said. "I know he got the two goals last night,'' DQ said of Buchnevich. "I was happy as heck for him, but those are two power play goals and there’s a lot of responsibility and a lot of ice time, five-on-five...'' (more).... Buch, cont'd: "...And we need him to be better five-on-five and more consistent five-on-five. And he knows that. We feel like the other lines have been playing well, and we’ve got 11 goals in the last two games, so I think we’ll leave the lines as they are right now.''

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:19 pm EST

HOSPO... If Hayes did have a concussion, I doubt he would have been allowed to go on the road trip to Colorado right after. They generally don't let guys with concussions fly, especially not right after the injury.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:13 pm EST

Rhet that’s fishpie the mini genius. He’s a rosterbator among other things

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:08 pm EST

Speaking of erring on the side of caution, what happened with PIONK? We held him out of one game and then we played him because McQuaid couldn't go, but then we bring up Lindgren because Pionk can't go? I have so many questions. First and foremost, we could've brought up Bigras as an emergency call up and kept him up to 9 games and wouldn't have had to worry about waivers. That's in addition to Lindgren. That way we could've kept both McQuaid and Pionk out until after the All-Star break(at a minimum) and make sure they're 100% healthy. McQuaid to me doesn't look 100% and since we need to trade him by the deadline, IMO it would behoove us to be more cautious...If we didn't want to use the emergency call up, we could've brought up Gilmour on a regular call up and still had him back down before the AHL All-Star game. Just saying.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 16 2019 4:04 pm EST

HOSPO: but when does Hayes get into those tight areas. He just swings out wide and looks to thread the seam. And I think every player takes their head injuries. It’s the ones that get hit in the head and have a game that requires them to get into the right areas to be effective. Guys like Zib who have to endure the physical play in order to get their goals. Concussions can cause a guy to adjust his game and yet with some they go right back to their style because that’s where they hit paydirt. Remains to be seen if Hayes alters his game. He’s still a big wirey guy who can hold the puck and slow the play. Might not change anything about his play at all.

E


Wed Jan 16 2019 3:53 pm EST

Don’t tell some .... “Claesson was placed on injured reserve, which opened a roster spot for Lindgren, who had been playing for the Rangers’ farm team in Hartford.”

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 3:43 pm EST

IFF Hayes' injury is concussion related (has anybody heard or read for sure??) that might just give us two 2nd centers that kinda shy away from physical interaction and don't really go to the net....And if Hayes' injury is concussion related, wont that be another thing that keeps his trade return down even if he APPEARS healthy? if traded, might have to be some serious "conditions" imposed by any team that deals for him..or they stay away entirely...

Hospo


Wed Jan 16 2019 3:21 pm EST

IMO, it's wise to err on the side of caution with Hayes, especially if he's going to be traded. Let him get 100% healthy and then return.

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 3:06 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 2h2 hours ago Hayes not quite ready for tomorrow, won’t play until after bye week.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 2:41 pm EST

RF4L - why should the media be different from the Wall? :)...Be glad to see HAYES back..Keep and resign him...deal ZBAD for so much more

Hospo


Wed Jan 16 2019 2:11 pm EST

here is the list of who I think will be traded in the next 4-6 weeks - Zucc, Hayes, B. Smith, A. McQuaid.....Guys who will stay Kreider, Zbad, Buch, Vesey, Nemestikov, Shittenkirk, DeAngelo, Skjei, Strome, Staal and the rest of the field

tradestar28


Wed Jan 16 2019 1:29 pm EST

Gawd, I wish the deadline was closer - getting to zzzzzz with the media regurgitating the same names over and over and over and over again. Start the trades!!!

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 1:22 pm EST

Hospo...alias...Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie 1h1 hour ago Hayes full participant in practice.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 1:14 pm EST

I assume fishpie will put freddie on injured reserve, since he's so worried about cap dollars. no one has to be waived if he does that. but what do I know , being in the cjc?

stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 1:06 pm EST

E - this too shall pass. Eventually, there won't be that much to sell except kids and picks. Then we start the growing pains. To be sure, a different kind of pain than a purge. More...hopeful(?). But also more uncertainty. For some, that's exciting. For others...terrifying. I'm interested to see which one I am.

limbo


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:45 pm EST

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-buyers-sellers-emerging-ahead-nhl-trade-deadline/

RDW


Wed Jan 16 2019 11:58 am EST

I also was interested in what people think was going to happen at the deadline. I think that the New York Rangers are gonna be more active then just the Hayes and MZA inevitables. I think all of the second level guys like Nemo, Mcquad etc... should have their suitcases packed because they’re getting new addresses. Even Strome might be going bye-bye. I guess for me I’m hoping that the sellathon/tankathon is almost over here. Last chance to pick the bones of the New York Rangers. Because hopefully, the draft will again yield good results and an infusion of another 3-4 yutes will be here next season as well as an impact player or 2 off of UFA. Get this purge done and over with. The vets still here (Chris Krieder, Zibanejad etc...) will be the scaffolding.

E


Wed Jan 16 2019 11:48 am EST

Canes were way off last night. Probably they were due for the bad game but the New York Rangers played desperation hockey and got rewarded for their efforts. Just a bad team having a good night. It’s always a good night when DeAngelo decides to play to his strengths and doesn’t brain fart everywhere. I know I’ve bantered around with mobility and defensive speed as being so important. It’s still a game of posession and the New York Rangers get beat on possession stats routinely. That’s a great marker of what a defense is doing with the puck. Are they just hacking the puck out off the glass and then playing chip and chase hockey or are they carrying the puck and establishing control in the offensive zone? But I also issue caution not to the read into things. Early goals like that take a team out of their team structure. Guys start trying to manufacture offense and take chances to get their team back in the game. How many games since Thanksgiving have we seen the New York Rangers give up a few early and then the whole game imploded on their heads? But last night was a good and earned win. Gotta win sometime and I’ll state this: post deadline with holes galore in the lineup feel-good wins are gonna be the most you can look forward to. And that’s okay. I’m still signed on for this rebuilding.

E


Wed Jan 16 2019 11:08 am EST

Enjoyed the outcome but the Canes were way off last night...Rangers PK pressured more than they had recently...Especially pressure on the points which we never do....Other than that and Hank being on we were able to get some easy goals which was nice....

PJ


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:39 am EST

Quinn(taking about Zucc):Zuccarello has had “a lot of discussions with people in the organization (about) the situation he’s in,” Quinn said. “I think it was just good for him to talk and iron out some things and get a lot off his chest. He seems like he’s in a much better place mentally. “I think he’s had a real good stretch here over the last four games. You know, you just see a little bit more of a bounce in his step. His personality is back. He’s playing with a lot of passion and enthusiasm. He’s always competed, for sure, but I just think he’s in a much better mind frame, and he’s playing really well. It’s the best hockey he’s played since the season started, for sure.”

JFC31


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:37 am EST

Wild: Yep, agreed. I watched the game. But the Canes sucked. They looked the Rangers in so many games this year. It was nice to see a win like that for a change, that's for sure regardless of whether or not the Canes sucked.

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 9:36 am EST

From Carp:"Quinn volunteered that Mats Zuccarello, who had three assists for three goals and four assists in his last five games, has had a little renaissance due to conversations with the front office. Zuccarello, of course, is to be an unrestricted free agent July 1, and it is virtually certain that GM Jeff Gorton will try to move him for assets by the trade deadline." Interesting. What could Gorton have told Zucc that would ease his mind and rejuvenate his play? Maybe that they'd try to sign him as a UFA? Zuccarello has had “a lot of discussions with people in the organization (about) the situation he’s in,” Quinn said. “I think it was just good for him to talk and iron out some things and get a lot off his chest. He seems like he’s in a much better place mentally.

JFC31


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:44 am EST

rF4l: I can tell you this. The Rangers play positionally well, they didn't break down "that often" where they had players chasing or just plain out of position like during the noosing streaks and many other games this year. Offensively they kept their feet moving, even on the PP. Its what they have done each time they have looked good and took teams that had been playing well and made them look like crap...the problems is they cant seem to do it game to game. The other thing is some guys had really good individual games. The top line players each played well on their own and then together. Name and a strong individual game controlling the puck. Chytil looked strong, I mean physically strong and bigger than usual. The D individually for the most part were not making a lot of errors. They were being discipline in their movements and protecting their areas of the ice rather than puck watching and chasing guys around. I for one don't expect it to last, maybe a game or two more we will see it holding together, but as soon s it starts to fall apart, this season has show us that they overcorrect of something and end up falling apart again. Eventually maybe we will see that better play stick, but it just doesn't feel like it will be this season.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:25 am EST

So did the Rangers play well or did the Canes play like shit? The latter most definitely is true - they sure didn't like anything like a team that had won 6 in a row (or whatever they had done). It'll be interesting to see what Ranger team shows up against the Black Hawks...

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:08 am EST

FWIW, check out some of his stuff from LAST year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkKvWe284u4

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 8:07 am EST

TD: I like Raphael LAVOIE, too, but from the rankings I've read mid-season compared to the start of the season he's dropped from around 10th to mid-round. Not that it means too much I guess. Without knowing much about Turcotte, I like him better because he's got about 6 inches in height on Turcotte.

rF4l


Wed Jan 16 2019 7:57 am EST

PRONMAN: I can say this. Sure maybe he can't watch enough video to really do this top 50 stuff. One thing he has done, and he has mastered it. He has contacts with it seems everyone. He is a "trusted" name in the hockey prospect world, so he people will talk to him. He talks with scouts and GMs and other people who do things like him, from TSN or from NHL teams or other private scouting companies. He gathers information and builds profiles on players, adds his personal views into that and comes up with a ranking system. He hasn't been that far off too often. No scout or prospected ranker will every be 100%, but he is as close as anyone. Its not like he is just sitting at his computer all alone doing this. This guy made some of the right connections at the right times and was able to get deep into that world. I try to meet people from around hockey and without some dumb luck would never have met more than a couple fo the people I know....and even they don't open up all the way...not sure who he has pictures of, but he really did a great job at that....and even if all he really is, is some clearing house for scouting info, I think that deserves a bit or respect and its worth taking what he says and adding it to other sources to get a snapshot of what may be to come for the NHL

Wildcard


Wed Jan 16 2019 7:16 am EST

You can tell the pop;le who don't understand play movement, and waivers, when they complain about certain players not being called up. Bigras and Gilmour being called up would force the rangers to eventually expose someone to waivers....or demote Pionk since he is the only waivers exempt D. None of the D on the Rangers would clear waivers mid season. Both Bigras and Gilmour are RFAs at the end of the season. Taking them on waivers would give a team a D to look at for a possible contract, and if they decided they didn't like they they could let them go without an offer and become a UFA and they lose nothing at all. Both those guys may be moved in deals at the deadline. There are always smaller contracts like there moving to make room under the 50 contract cap, or to balance real dollars (as apposed to cap dollars) and to call them up for short time then expose them to be lost for nothing making a different contract have to be used in those deals would be silly. I wouldn't be shocked to see one or both of them to be called up after the deadline, we will probably see a D or two moved, so there will be roster spots. Some will say just bring the kids up, but do you really want them just getting their butts kicked every night on the back end? May not be the best for development....and DQ may want to get a look at Gilmour and Bigras if they are still round to know if they can use them next season as a call up or whatever for injuries but now could lead to tossing away an asset, regardless of how much or how little those assets are worth you shouldn't just throw them away.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 16 2019 5:28 am EST

Does Butchie ever smile?

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 5:21 am EST

Maybe the nyr figured out they need to score 6 to win without giving up 7 .

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 16 2019 1:16 am EST

Some random thoughts on the game: WOW. Does having a REAL first line make a difference, eh? Love Jesper FAST and think on a short-term basis, the guy can fill in anywhere...but I just don't grab the logic of forcing him onto the ZIBANEJAD-KRIEDER line...he's just not the type of guy they need...Sad part about the Canes is without Jordan STAAL, they are actually weaker up the middle than the Rangers...and it showed. Bigtime...that, friends, is what happens when you take a strong D and leave them exposed in the middle...Also...I don't know whether a REAL goalie would have made a huge difference...certainly on one or two of the goals...but if you're pegging your season on Curtis McELHINNEY and Petr MRAZEK...you're gonna have a long-ass season...One of the most impressive parts about that win is that the Rangers were ABSOLUTELY ABYSMAL in the faceoff circle...which is sad, given the Canes' relative weakness in the middle...and it's also very telling of how unbelievably stalled the Carolina offense is right now...you go 66 percent in the circle and STILL lose by four goals?...I keep trying to figure out what the F breaks down with the Ranger defense...I know a lot of you say they just flat-out suck...but after watching Hartford...which plays an almost identical style...and which has a MUCH stronger D(relatively speaking) compared to their opponents...the same ludicrous breakdowns occur...the same meltdowns that lead to goal after goal after goal...the minute the Rangers get an opponent who can win a draw and possess, they're like a fish out of water...just screwed...and I think part of it has to do with them collapsing to the middle whenever there's sustained pressure. Just a total clusterf@ck...and I can't think why this is a good idea with a tender like Hank between the pipes...Maybe with a sieve like McE...but Hank? Regardless...a whole shitload of rubber still gets through...Hank stopped 34. The Rangers blocked 21. That's 55(!!) shot attempts in a game where, before seeing that stat, the ice seemed pretty tilted toward the Rangers...Man, if NAMESTNIKOV or VESEY could ever chip the concrete off their hands...loved ZUCC...caught myself wondering if there's a chance in hell they try to resign him...now I know just about all of y'all want him and HAYES and anyone else with a pulse traded for a bag of pucks and a few picks...but I still can't help but wonder if a BETTER game plan is to see if Hazer and Zucc will come back at reasonable salaries, add KRAVTSOV and then see what falls from the sky at the draft/UFA'dom...I know it's HUGHES or bust for most fans...and those who aren't on that boat are KAKKO or bust...but I tell you...where the Rangers will ultimately pick...which I believe will be between six and 10, there are some GOOD players...Was screwing around with tankathon the other day, and the guy who kept coming up was Raphael LAVOIE, a big, physical center with hands of silk plying his trade in the QMJHL...the other guy was Alex TURCOTTE(no relation to Darren), who is a heck of a center out of the USNTDP. And those are guys expected to go around eighth overall...at any rate...add Special K, Lias, and tack another year of development onto CHYTIL...man...those are some good players to add to the core that still remembers the winning days.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:52 am EST

mf - any day the Pens get their poop pushed is a good day, IMO. Would much rather watch the Rangers do it...but I'll take what I can get.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:51 am EST

And really...when these damn "top prospects" lists come out...you gotta take'em with a HUGE grain of salt. I know guys like Button and Pronman do this shit as a career...but how much have they actually watched of each 50 player? Shit, I try to watch as much hockey as I can in a day and I can barely keep up with the Rangers' prospects, much less the other 30 teams' holdings...So maybe Button watched KRAVTSOV'S highlight reel...and PRONMAN watched a game where NECAS was a beast in the AHL...who knows? But those lists are almost completely subjective...and as much as I'd love to think those guys are watching every goddamn league and assessing that way...reality is, they cherry pick and watch clips...just like the rest of us...Button, at least, can say he was a former NHL exec...Pronman...I have no idea what rock he crawled from under.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:46 am EST

RF4L - Pronman, IMO, is a bit of a clown. He's got a good rep on Twitter...but I've caught him letting some whoppers fly...like last summer, he was covering a tourney in Canada and someone was asking him about Ranger-prospect PANJUNIEMI...Pronman gave a detail analysis about how he wasn't doing very good and wasn't very noticeable...and had he had left it at the latter, he could have at least argued accuracy, since the kid wasn't even on the same continent as the tourney...which even a casual fan could tell from the goddamn box scores...I didn't see his rankings, so I'm speaking a bit out of turn...but after seeing NECAS in the WJCs...I'm just not sure how you rank that guy second...He's having a heck of a rookie year in Charlotte...on the best team in the AHL...at any rate, I'd take a lot of what he says with a grain of salt. Knows what he's talking about...but also runs with a crowd of know-it-alls.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:38 am EST

Hospo - LINDGREN looked as expected: Like a rookie who needs work. He got beat bad once by I believe AHO and ended up taking a penalty to prevent a goal. And he was on the ice for the second goal...can't directly blame him, but what he didn't do on that shift was keep the crease clear...iClod tried to radiate his character over that direction, but I guess it didn't work...not bad...not great...sort of what I expected...I think it's the right call to give him a flavor for the NHL, and now's about as good a time as any...and I know some of the chatter on Twitter was that GILMOUR and/or BIGRAS deserved a call up more...I totally disagree...I like Gilmour, but he's essentially DeANGELO on the left...and Bigras is just a career AHLer...but I digress...Was good to see him get his first game it...he's going to be a good player, as will HAJEK...probably not a great comparison...but both of them have speed and tenacity...and they remind me a bit of McDONAGH and SKJEI when they were just breaking into the professional ranks...not to say either will rise to that level or gain that sort of offense...but I'd say the tools are there.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:30 am EST

RF4L - Straight up, I like McQUAID...even if he's the second slowest on the team, I still like him. I liked the deal. And part of me...a very small part albeit...would like him back...but all that said...I think the absolute best you could say about his dance with REAVES is that he "held his own." I use quotations there deliberately...because my honest feeling is that he got the ever-living piss beat out of him. Watch it again...he hung in for the first couple volleys...but then Reaves just tee'd off on him...Tell you what though...if we could let iClod ride the waiver train to go bless Hartford with his brimming character, I would gladly give Darth Quaider a lifetime deal...I'd take him...slow as he may be...on D for 20 minutes over iClod on fourth for nine.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:29 am EST

SJ just beat Pitt 5-2, smile TD. g/n

mf


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:26 am EST

RF4L - If I was on a line with the slowest guy in the NHL...who makes it into the lineup game in and game out because of his "character"...I'd have a perma-frown too. Ain't no fun to play with a guy who cant skate, pass, shoot, get to the right place at the right time, get to any place where he's supposed to be, play defense, play offense, play tiddlywinks...well...you get the point. Though I believe this is Buch's first protracted stint with iClod chained to his boot...it's more than enough reason to be pissed...especially since a guy like that should be in the top-six....but kudos to DQ for finally figuring out that despite Buch's shortcomings, he can be a real asset on the PP. And kudos to him for not yet thinking iClod's brimming bucket of character belongs on the PP. Because I half expect to see that at some point.

tdchi


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:24 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/rangers-answer-david-quinns-challenge-by-ripping-hurricanes/

mf


Wed Jan 16 2019 12:19 am EST

Oh man...I've been tempted to write Larry "King of the Asshats" Brooks a love letter and his latest screed has just about pushed me there. Seriously. This guy is in the HOF? I mean, I know he likes to stir the pot and all...but does the guy still watch the games? Does he look at the stats? Any of them --advanced or otherwise? I mean, I don't even know where to start with ripping his column to shreds. I mean, it's one thing to stir the pot...this is what Brooks likes to do...but to write that sort of shit-screed? So first of all Brooksie...GONEAU? BALEJ? Talk about reaching into a hat...and guess what? A few Ranger rooks HAVE sprinted out of the gate. I remember that Ranger rook who had a fucking hattrick his first professional game...remember that scheissekopf? Of course not. You had your head halfway up Marty Brodeur's ass back then. I swear...if this guy didn't stroke off all the negative feelings of Ranger fans with his every word, he'd be swabbing the floors of the Asian rub-and-tugs in Brooklyn.

tdchi


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:23 pm EST

RDW - Probably not..but I think he could be more valuable to a contender who needs a strong physical stay at home D-man to complimetn their offensive guys..and might fetch something good..ZUCC has been kinda meh this year..we'll see

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:03 pm EST

Hospo: You think McQuaid is going to fetch more that Zucc? :-)

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:00 pm EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl Following Following @drosennhl More How about this stat from the Rangers: Tonight was the first time they had three players score at least two goals in the same game since Dec. 22, 1996 vs. Florida, when Mark Messier, Alexei Kovalev, and Niklas Sundstrom did it ....RF4L... In regard to TSN's Top 50 NHL-Affiliated Prospects: Craig Button has Necas ranked #6. He also has Troy Terry ranked #5 on the list, who is also playing in the AHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:54 pm EST

Trade - good to see..he's been pretty much a non-entity for 10-15 games except for the NASH game..Another inconsistent Ranger but should be able to fetch alot in trade becasue of his talent/skill and contracy

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:48 pm EST

Hospo......Zbad looked wonderful tonight......Being 100% serious! He was a game changer

tradestar28


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:43 pm EST

RF4L - Thanks on Lindgren and McQ..Yeah..McQ is pretty much my favorit Ranger in suc hshort time...Woujld love to have him another year or two..but think you have to deal him--and I think he will be more valuable than Zucc to contenders-- nd try and resign him or somebody lije him in the off-season...They also need a froward like that too

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:41 pm EST

Button's take on Kravtsov....(among others): https://www.tsn.ca/russian-wingers-top-tsn-s-ranking-of-nhl-affiliated-prospects-1.1241872

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:41 pm EST

With Zucc's three point night, that brings him to 21 in 33 games, which is also about his average from last year for an 82 game season (ie. 52 points)... That should greatly help his trade value. I would also re-sign Mcquaid, if he were in dead interested in returning to the NYR ...NEWFIE... Don't look past Chicago we can easily make them look like world beaters.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:39 pm EST

McQuaid is a beast. Gutsy and not afraid to confront physically. I get the allure of trading him but unless you can get a 1st (which they won't), I'd be all in resigning him. A leader by example and clearly not many are willing to accept his challenges when things get nasty on the ice. He's chest-puffing episode with McGinn tonight was a thing of beauty for me because we haven't seen anything like it in years, save for the few games asshole AV let McI play in.

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:36 pm EST

Hospo: Lindgren was fine. Not overly noticeable, which is excellent given his resume. The thing is, the whole team was fine. No one stood out negatively. One of your favourite whipping boys - DeA - really stood out for me. 2 goals and plenty of very impressive passes and better yet, minimal issues defending.

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:33 pm EST

So Corey Pronman just published in the Athletic his top prospects and Kravtsov is 11th. The difference, however, between his criteria vs Craig Button's for TSN is the latter ranks amateurs only while the former includes kids who've played NA pro. For example Pronman has Necas rated 2nd but because he's in the AHL he's not included in Button's rankings. Interesting and to show how subjective this stuff is, Pronman has fellow Russian Grigori Denisenko 7th and Button has him 2nd. FWIW, I know dick about Pronman other than reading his articles. Button, however, has a long history in pro hockey including GM roles, plus I hear him a lot on TSN TV and radio. If I had to decide who knows more easily it's Button...

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:31 pm EST

How did Lindgren look? Did he a5 least have a positive impact on his partner SHiitt? Sounds like McQ did some more good things..

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:27 pm EST

Wow..gotta miss more games so my favorite players BUCH, Deangelo, Nieves and ZBAD can play like all stars...I'll watch Thursday and see what happens!

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:26 pm EST

sight not site...………...

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:25 pm EST

Yes, I expect we will play well again against CHI but that BOS game may not be a pretty site. Certainly will show what some 'guys' are made of and if they respect their coach and that uniform ?

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:52 pm EST

NEWFIE... If we could play Carolina at home for the rest of the season, we might have a shot.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:49 pm EST

Newf: LOL...not me. Chicago is up next and they aren't exactly a juggernaut so no idea how that game will play out but gotta figure Saturday's match in Boston will be a tire-fire.

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:47 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... The Rangers were successful on all of their special teams opportunities in tonight’s game (3-for-3 on the PP and 3-for-3 on the PK); first time #NYR accomplished the feat (min. three power play opportunities and three times shorthanded) since 2/15/07 at CAR.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:45 pm EST

I suppose nobody wants anyone traded now !.....L.O.L.

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:45 pm EST

The Rangers have now won 16 straight home games against the Hurricanes. Carolina's last win at Madison Square Garden was Oct. 29, 2010.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:42 pm EST

Very good all around game by the Rangers. Nice response after the debacle in Columbus. I ain't holding my breath that this is resurgence so I'll enjoy what I can enjoy for the time-being.

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:34 pm EST

Are t we Lucky with Tony rookies , Tony Granato , Tony Amonte now Tony D lol

Ilya


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:32 pm EST

See him challenge McGinn? Right in his face...you wanna go? The entire league watched him fight Reaves and do okay. Very few will accept that challenge.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:31 pm EST

The playoffs are still in reach until they lose some more...wait until next year... whew

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:29 pm EST

Street Hockey at MSG!

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:28 pm EST

McQuaid is like Thanos from Marvel.....please do not let him leave!

tradestar28


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:28 pm EST

RESIGN McQUAID!

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:28 pm EST

These guys are flying. It must be delayed McLeod magic.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:27 pm EST

Tony D #2

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:26 pm EST

TONY D.... That was like four assists.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:26 pm EST

Tony D with 2 also!!!

rngrsans


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:25 pm EST

Why was Shittenkirk trying to deflect the Cane shot up at the blueline???

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:21 pm EST

MZA almost a breakaway goldarnit!

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:15 pm EST

Whipping boy Tony D having a very strong game.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:12 pm EST

That was supposed to be "Dang it" or "Dog Gone it" whichever you prefer!

ColoradoMark


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:12 pm EST

Buuuuccchhhh #2

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:12 pm EST

Zucc is back to his normal self. For most they are excited for the raising of his trade value. But I still love watching him play, dog it! And I'm liking Nieves game (Sorry Hospo!)

ColoradoMark


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:11 pm EST

No smilea again from Buch...

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:10 pm EST

BUTCH PART DEUX!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:09 pm EST

So the 1994 Reunion game is against... Carolina! Hmmm.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:04 pm EST

Neef...and watch him kinda frog himself further out anticipating a rebound shot. Very impressive...

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:02 pm EST

I like Dave Maloney. Very knowledgeable and straight forward. Puts Lickiletti to shame. Then again I could easily accomplish that simple challenge!

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 9:00 pm EST

What a FRIGGIN' save by Hank.....trust me folks when I say that !

Newfie_Ranger


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:44 pm EST

CHYTIL is on simmer.... SIMMER-IL

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:34 pm EST

Rosen dozin' as he rambles on semi coherently about Vitaly (or is it Iyla) Kravtsov. Lolol

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:21 pm EST

The Hurricanes just look like they've totally quit.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:14 pm EST

Nary a smile from Buch after he scores. This kid gets down on himself for sure.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:14 pm EST

Buuuucccchhhh!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 8:13 pm EST

BUTCH!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:51 pm EST

Well this lead is counterproductive but at the very least it shoot be boosting the stock of Zucc and Z, if he's in play.

NCRanger


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:50 pm EST

That was a real quick first period.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:49 pm EST

No slash but the intent was there. This game is sponsored by Gillette

Stepunmytoe


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:48 pm EST

it was almost like the refs were making the call on the prior slash instead of the one they actually called :)

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:47 pm EST

My God...what a weak call.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:46 pm EST

That's a weak call on Lindgren

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:45 pm EST

Zabadabadoo #2

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:43 pm EST

MZA gonna fetch a first!!

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:42 pm EST

Damn... ZUCCARELLO IS FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS!!! 3-1 NYR!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:42 pm EST

Carolina stinks lol

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:41 pm EST

This team is a defensive zone nightmare. Fire Ruff to start. It is mindless Torts turtle shit. Not 1 freaking player moving. All sitting back watching the shooting gallery. Do some damn coaching DQ !!!!

Stepunmytoe


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:40 pm EST

WTF was Skjei doing there dicking around with the puck when he could have simply cleared it out. Created chaos and McQuaid getting hurt agsin. Stupid.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:39 pm EST

Good thing he didn't take a slap shot to the head.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:38 pm EST

HOW LONG DOES MCQUAID have to be LAYING ON THE ICE FOR THE REFS TO BLOW THE WHISTLE?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:36 pm EST

It's A POWER PLAY GOAL!!!! Z-BAD!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:34 pm EST

Rhet...yep.dumb play by Staal but Howden is so skittish now. Feel bad for him.

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:30 pm EST

HUGE Freaking Mistake

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:29 pm EST

Why would Staal even make that pass to Howden, skating backwards in front of their own net?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:29 pm EST

Please aend Howden down...

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:27 pm EST

For a guy who sometimes has an amazing shot Z sure fires the puck into the goalie's mid-section a lot. Annoying...

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:18 pm EST

GOOOAAALLL!!!!Tony D

rangerlou


Tue Jan 15 2019 6:52 pm EST

NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch .... LeBrun reports Leafs willing to trade their 1st RD pick this year for the right trade.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 6:51 pm EST

NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch .... LeBrun on Insider Trading reports Bobrovsky's camp told #CBJ this past offseason that not only would he NOT sign an extension in Columbus, but feel free to move him and here's a list of teams that we might waive our no-trade clause for.... LeBrun continues and says GM Jarmo Kekäläinen has not phoned any of those teams cause they want to win with him this year, want to try and have a playoff run and then try and figure things out after the season even if Bobrovsky and Panarin walk for nothing. #CBJ

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 6:40 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... #NYR in warmups: ...Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello... Chytil-Strome-Fast... Vesey-Nieves-Namestnikov... McLeod-Howden-Buchnevich.... Skjei-McQuaid... Staal-DeAngelo... Lindgren-Shattenkirk... Lundqvist.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 6:38 pm EST

Poor kid.... per Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Lindgren, wearing No. 55, will start with Kevin Shattenkirk on his right. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:56 pm EST

Hospo that's part of getting old...you forgot...try to remember tomorrow ....ok lb....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:48 pm EST

Good article by Brooks..if it was me. it would have mentioned the great Boo Nieves!

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:37 pm EST

" But while the first-year NHL head coach has presided over a significant culture change whereby the Rangers no longer reflexively turn the other cheek, Quinn has not been able to turn finesse players into grinders."......tell it to fishpie...let him get some grinders or bring beleskey back up at least....this is a play written by fishpie called....dive.....it's way too obvious with the trying to save cap $ bs this year ....for what? ....to get get a big fish at the deadline....and a bridge ?.....wtfu jimmyboy the 2 geniuses are snowing you again....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:32 pm EST

Would like to see us in on that Jesse Pujull-whatever kid from EDM.

PatrickDiv


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:31 pm EST

Hospo...keep it up.....https://nypost.com/2019/01/15/rangers-need-young-players-to-be-more-than-just-prospects/

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:29 pm EST

Larry Brooks Rangers need young players to be more than just prospects

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 5:14 pm EST

Brooks sh-ting on the prospects. More evidence that he is indeed HOSPO.... https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1085298241900560384

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 4:40 pm EST

So..the D for the forseeable future is SKJEI, STAAL, SHITT, SMITH, DEANGELO and LINDGREN??? God help us..and especially Henrik and Georgie Boy..So, does Lindgren get to cover for Deangelo or Capt. Kirk? Baptisnm by fire, I guess..

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 4:02 pm EST

55 was also worn for the short stint Marty McSorely played for the Rangers.

DREW


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:56 pm EST

so why has he been playing poink who has not been good, and scratch other d ?.... Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 4h4 hours ago Neal Pionk has been battling a lower body injury for a while, DQ said, and is out for tonight and may be out till after the bye week. Freddie Claesson is out 2-3 weeks, and hopefully may be back after the bye week...

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:53 pm EST

otbg like a blind squirrel and a broken clock, a maybe some payola to tsn....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:52 pm EST

Maybe the NYR brass is hoping this will prevent him from re-directing a puck past Hank, because 55 worked so well for Holden and Ulanov.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:50 pm EST

So, the NYR gave Ryan Lindgren the #55. Was it really too soon to give the #5 out to another player or are they planning on retiring Dan Girardi's #5? Are they subliminally trying to say that they don't expect home to stick? Greshner wore the #4 for 15 years, but players are still allowed to use that number.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:40 pm EST

First time in my life, we have the number 1 rated prospect (one man's opinion!) and the goalie has KHL numbers that are out of this world. They can't get to NY soon enough. Now if we can parlay some of our guys into more first rounders, maybe this pain will only last for a few more years.

MC


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:37 pm EST

The TSN Top 10.... 1. Vitali KRAVTSOV NY Rangers Traktor Chelyabinsk ....2. Grigori DENISENKO Florida Panthers Lokomotiv Yaroslavl ....3. Cale MAKAR Colorado Avalanche University of Mass/Amherst ....4. Cody GLASS Vegas Golden Knights Portland Winterhawks ....5. Troy TERRY Anaheim Ducks San Diego Gulls ....6. Martin NECAS Carolina Hurricanes Charlotte Checkers ....7. Eeli TOLVANEN Nashville Predators Milwaukee Admirals ....8. Quinn HUGHES Vancouver Canucks University of Michigan ....9. Ilya SOROKIN NY Islanders CSKA Moskva ....10. Igor SHESTERKIN NY Rangers SKA St. Petersburg.... BTW, Oliver Wahlstrom is not on the Top 50 list, Noah Dobson is at the list at #18. The NYI have no other prospects on the list. The NJD only have Ty Smith on the list at #35.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:28 pm EST

Rhet...gee I guess OTBG knows a little something after all! ;^)

rf4L


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:12 pm EST

Per TSN's Top 50 NHL-Affiliated Prospects ....#1.... Vitali KRAVTSOV.... #10.... Igor SHESTERKIN.... $28. Lias ANDERSSON

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 2:19 pm EST

RF4L - Exactly..Just because he's young doesn't mean he's good or an answer..Could just be another Buchnevich....One is enough

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 1:52 pm EST

Regarding Jesse P: It's a bit interesting, I think, that if he's indeed tradebait it means 2 coaches, both quite respected, are skeptical about him. Does it not?

rf4L


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:51 pm EST

Non-NYR news: per WFAN Sports Radio ‏ Verified account @WFAN660 ... BREAKING: Ex-#Yankees closer, 1996 World Series MVP John Wetteland arrested on child sex abuse charge in Texas. http://bit.ly/2Hh1lRV #MLB

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:37 pm EST

RDW.... They have to go the full four years. Fox has one more year left. OAN, I would not be surprised to see the next CBA end this avenue for college bound players.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:24 pm EST

Anyone know when a college player can go the Vesey/Hayes route? Do they have to play the full four years and then they can go the FA route? Just wondering since Adam Fox grew up a Rangers fan and if he doesn't sign in Carolina we might have an edge in signing him.

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:11 pm EST

HL Network ‏ Verified account @NHLNetwork ..... Could #NYR winger Mats Zuccarello be on the move at the deadline? ....@FriedgeHNIC weighs in on #NHLTonight.... https://twitter.com/NHLNetwork/status/1085220819343630336

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:06 pm EST

Philadelphia Flyers ‏ Verified account @NHLFlyers .... Per GM Chuck Fletcher, the #Flyers have placed forward Dale Weise on waivers.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:00 pm EST

RDW: Well, you gotta give to get so I'd say something like Kapanen/Johnson, the Leafs' first and a top prospect.

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:58 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... @KevinPHayes12 is getting better and will practice tomorrow and then "we'll see for Thursday.'' Jesper Fast is OK - he just got the morning off for "maintenance.'' DQ also did not skate this morning, "for maintenance,'' he joked. "They're tired of hearing me,'' he said.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:58 am EST

RF4L: What do you think could potentially come back in that deal?

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:57 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Lindgren had the best first half of the D men at Hartford, DQ said, and they've been talking about bringing him up for a while. DQ said he's not just here for the 2-3 weeks that Claesson is out -- he has a chance to stay beyond that if he plays well.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:56 am EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Neal Pionk has been battling a lower body injury for a while, DQ said, and is out for tonight and may be out till after the bye week. Freddie Claesson is out 2-3 weeks, and hopefully may be back after the bye week...

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:51 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl ...... David Quinn said Frederik Claesson is out 2-3 weeks with a shoulder injury and Neal Pionk has a lower-body injury that will likely keep him out until after the All-Star break. He said Ryan Lindgren has a chance to stay if he plays well.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:49 am EST

Hospo: The Leafs have some nice pieces that might be available if Gorton is open to moving those 2 (and the Leafs are interested). So far, I keep hearing Dubious feels his team doesn't need additional size/heaviness/etc but I don't think that's how his coach feels. It's gonna be interesting to see how this plays out, either by the deadline or at the draft. I cannot see the Leafs as they are constructed currently, winning more than a single PO round, if that. They are highly skilled without a doubt but marshmellow soft....

rF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 11:45 am EST

RF4L - I know..I was being half serious.. Kid K and McQ are exactly what they need for a Cup run...but the real prize would be Mcleod!

Hospo


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:51 am EST

Elliot Friedman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKfjLGycK_8

mf


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:48 am EST

Hospo: Kreider and McQuaid is exactly what the Leafs need!

rf4L


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:22 am EST

So DQ has had some scathing comments after certain games so far this year about his team's effort but I'd say his reaction after the BJ game was his harshest. It included saying he didn't think his team is physical enough. Is that a message to Gorton? Could that be, in part, why Lindgren was recalled? He also talked about Chytil and how his effort isn't consistent but he's 19 and talented and learning and then said 'what the veterans who aren't as talented', inferring that those guys have no excuse. Tonight's game should be interesting. Is anyone listening to their coach??!

rf4L


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:19 am EST

RDW....ahhh....ok, thx

rf4L


Tue Jan 15 2019 10:13 am EST

RF4L: Mckenzie stated that it was a bogus rumor yesterday. Looks like someone photoshopped a TSN tweet saying that the trade was in the works but it was debunked quickly.

RDW


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:48 am EST

Simmonds for Talbot and Jesse P??

RF4l


Tue Jan 15 2019 7:02 am EST

“ The Rangers made a minor league trade Monday, swapping forwards with the Predators by sending Cole Schneider to Nashville and getting Connor Brickley in return. Brickley, 26, has played in 39 games for Nashville’s AHL team this year, putting up seven goals and 11 points. The second-round pick (No. 50 overall) of the Panthers in 2010, Brickley played 44 games last season with Florida, and the Everett, Mass., native has played 67 career games in the NHL.”

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 6:54 am EST

What’s the rule on trading injured players?

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 15 2019 3:25 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis ..... Assumption is that Ryan Lindgren will play tomorrow for #NYR. Pionk has been playing through this lower-body issue, and McQuaid is considered day-to-day with something. And Claesson isn’t expected back at least for a couple weeks. So, Lindgren earned his shot and now he’s got it.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 15 2019 12:07 am EST

RF4L - Dubious should trade for McQuaid, Kreider and Cody Mcleod!!

Hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:26 pm EST

"The Battle for the Basement" has tightened up and is getting exciting.... Neck & Neck coming around the clubhouse turn.... https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:05 pm EST

MF... You stepped on the lead. Philadelphia actually won tonight, which rarely ever happens. Ottawa has tumbled down the standings again into second to last place. The NYR are currently in line for the 7th pick overall. We are also 4 points out of last place and the first pick overall.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:50 pm EST

Leafs playing like crap lately. What will Kyle Dubious do?

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:21 pm EST

AV's beat the Leaf's 6-3, Blues beat the Caps 4-1 .... go figure

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:19 pm EST

Won't have to worry about Lindgren picking up the scheme. There is no scheme. Just win those one on one battles. /s

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:14 pm EST

Bill Cook...

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:12 pm EST

Adrian Dater ‏ Verified account @adater Following Following @adater More Scout Doug Risebrough of Rangers has been following Avs for a while now

Wildcard


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:57 pm EST

Normand Rochefort #5. NYR

tradestar28


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:46 pm EST

TD...lolol...welcome back. And I know you're referring to the nob who's been down on Hajek from the outset.

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:29 pm EST

RF4L - The Flyers are likely to pick in the top five...they're the one team I think that would be less likely than the Avalanche to move their pick for anything short of a superstar...That said, they already have PATRICK and while I think HUGHES is a much better player than him, they're sort of cut from a similar cloth...KAKKO is more of their guy...so the one chance I could see Philly moving the first overall is if they think they'd be able to get the second overall and something else...and that the trading team wasn't going to take Kakko...either way, doesn't mean squat for the Rangers...and in the off-chance Philly DOES get TALBOT...there's more wrong with that team than just goaltending.

tdchi


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:25 pm EST

Interestingly enough, LINDGREN was playing the right side in Hartford and was playing with GILMOUR...What does this mean for HAJEK? Positively nothing...unless you believe the verbal flatulence from the holier-than-thou buttheads a Bullshit Bulletin.

tdchi


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:20 pm EST

Hospo...yeah! There ya go Rhet! Did ya consider that? ;^)

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:17 pm EST

Or that Lindgren, a more simple stay at home D-man than Hajek, is what the Rangers were looking for NOW given how out of position and brain dead the d-men have been playing..I also think learning and watching Mcquaid can help him

Hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:59 pm EST

Rhet...damn stop being so logical dude!! :÷@

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:48 pm EST

it says that Lindgren was ready first. Hajek will now have to wait for us to dump a contract or two.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:46 pm EST

Mf....it's probably more apt to refer to it as tank and fish from a proper sequencing perspective...

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:44 pm EST

So what if anything does this say about Hajek?

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:31 pm EST

Dale Rolfe wore #5 for the Rangers

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:15 pm EST

ew York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... “It’s time for me to show them what I’ve got and make a good impression.” - Ryan Lindgren who was just recalled to #NYR.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1084949533770084354

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:12 pm EST

Will it be weird to see someone beside Dan Girardi wear the #5? That is of course if Ryan Lindgren does stick with the number. Every time I see that number 5 on the NYR, I still think of Barry Beck for some reason.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:52 pm EST

AquaLegs: what's with all the Fish and Tanks?

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:49 pm EST

Hospo you beat me to it .... guess he’ll have to swim through it . Fishpie thinks this is hockey camp ...

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:47 pm EST

It's not the optimal situation but it's good experience

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:44 pm EST

I like Lindgren's game and make-up and congrats to the kid..but do we really want him up here in this cess-pool??...OTOH, Maybe he can learn some things from McQuaid over the next month before 54 is traded??

Hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:41 pm EST

TDCHI - of all the things wrong with the team this season and last night and you start of with Mcleod? ..wow..I agree and said so last night that the 4th line was a total clusterfuck..yes..Mcleod has no talent..but who the hell wants to play with the brain dead weakling prancing Kamensky..er..Buchnevich....I feel sorry for HOWDEN being stuck with them..but he has his own issues that needs to bw worked on big time..That being said, the only forward in the top 9 that played with any heart and anger last night was ZUCC..pathetic

Hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:41 pm EST

Seeing rumors of Brassard to EDM trade talk....TD... SMITH has played much of his career on RD and I would dare say that he is more comfortable on that side.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:39 pm EST

Rangers Prospect Report: 01.14.19 - National Hockey League News .... https://www.nhl.com/rangers/news/rangers-prospect-report-011419/c-303874140

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:37 pm EST

Congrats to Lindgren on his callup...

RF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:34 pm EST

At first glance, Brickley for Schneider seems like a career AHL-er for a career AHL-er type deal, but Brickley has played 67 NHL games in his career already. He's a solid 2-way, bottom six guy. He could be a stop gap for a guy on the NHL roster that we're looking to send down. Maybe Howden for a few games? Also, he was taken in the expansion draft by the Golden Knights.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:33 pm EST

Glad to see LINDGREN get the call. Fans will like him. Solid player. Likes to hit. Can’t be any worse than what they got...but he’s a lefty, so he’ll be swapping time with SMITH or the Rangers are going to move the latter over to the right, which is an absolutely awful idea.

tdchi


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:31 pm EST

RDW - I don’t know what Edmonton did to PULJUJARVI, but he WAS an excellent hockey player. And in truth, I can’t fathom how he hasn’t formed chemistry with McDAVID. He was on the AHO-LAINE line in the WJCs a few years ago and was absolutely dominant. That trio guaranteed the gold for the Fins...but man, has he been screwed around in Edmonton. Just bounced all over the place. I’m not sure why...and I’m not sure anyonenoitside of the Oilers can figure out why either. But outside of BOUCHARD who they’re not trading and a passing interest in YAMAMOTO, he’s pretty much the only Oil piece I want...and I would be on their first rounder like white on rice too, because there’s no way the Oil are gonna resurrect this season. They have zero defense. And that’s pretty much why they suck. Bet that pick is gonna be a lottery pick.

tdchi


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:26 pm EST

BOB.... In regard to Cogliano: I may be a bit biased :) ...when he's going well, he always seems to be a bit of a spark plug/live wire... not to mention a fan favorite(if memory serves).... change of scenery should do him some good, I would not be surprised to see him have a renaissance in DALLAS.... ALSO, per Craig Custance ‏ Verified account @CraigCustance ... Ducks GM Bob Murray on future of potential UFA Jakob Silfverberg: I'll take another crack at signing him...He’s a good hockey player. He’s one of the ones who is standing up and being counted.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:21 pm EST

Haven’t watched last night’s game...not sure if I’ll bother...but a couple of thoughts...the Rangers are a very badly mismatched team...you can’t have a guy like iClod on a fourth line with talented players or have said talented players with a hitting bafoon like iClod...you’re gonna get the worst of both worlds. Either scratch iClod or get two other thugs to skate with him. Obviously, I don’t advocate the latter...but it makes ZERO sense having guys like BUCH and CHYTIL with him...and to large degree, HOWDEN...I keep saying this and nobody really listens...but the Rangers’ woes on both defense and the PK coincide perfectly with their weakness in the middle...someone mentioned how bad they were on draws...well...again...not a good sign...and it rally bodes ill for your ability to maintain puck possession out you can’t win at least half the draws... so why now? Well, the only guy who is a genuine top-6 center in the lineup is ZIBANEJAD...STROME? Maybe...but he’s been playing wing pretty much since he broke into the league...Chytil and Howden are obviously experiencing growing pains...so what’s the answer? Well, first and foremost is to get HAYES the hell under contract...even if he’s gonna be traded....but there ain’t many deals that couldnor will go down that will help this deficit...only time and experience...

tdchi


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:18 pm EST

RDW.... I feel like saying ... FINALLY. :)

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:17 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers Follow Follow @NYRangers More OFFICIAL: #NYR have recalled defenseman Ryan Lindgren from @WolfPackAHL. Lindgren, 20, has skated in 35 games with the Wolf Pack this season, registering five assists, along with a plus-seven rating.

RDW


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:10 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HT4RainY-lY

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:09 pm EST

rf: I hear you, thought I recently heard or read that they are looking for a D'man in addition to addressing Goal-tending.... "IF" we're going to pry a lottery position 1st round pick, we're going to have to pay the piper....

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:08 pm EST

I meant Cole Schneider, not Fontaine...right player, wrong name :) ....We got a bit younger in the deal.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:06 pm EST

CONNOR BRICKLEY: http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/7965 ....... https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/45687/connor-brickley

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:06 pm EST

BOB... Fontane was a 28 year old AHL-er , if that helps you with the new guy.... New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers ... OFFICIAL: #NYR have acquired forward Connor Brickley from Nashville in exchange for Cole Schneider.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:01 pm EST

Who is Connor Brickley?

Bob


Mon Jan 14 2019 5:01 pm EST

Buyer’s Market Could Hamper Rangers’ Returns .... If the Blueshirts want to assure maximized returns, they’ll need to act quickly and decisively.... https://twitter.com/BlueshirtBanter/status/1084931074579406848

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:59 pm EST

mf: I cannot see the Hawks making a future for now trade...

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:57 pm EST

CHICAGO is another team struggling this year with Goaltender woes... Are they writing off or trying to salvage this season?

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:31 pm EST

rF4l, that's too much, man. Hayes alone should bring a 1st and a B prospect/pick. Krider will bring a 1st rounder + a prospect/pick next year at trade deadline. Don't think that market is high on Talbot.

andrei


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:28 pm EST

Jim Matheson ‏ @NHLbyMatty ...... If Oilers are scouring for forwards who can give them some offence outside of Connor, Leon, RNH and Chiasson who have 81 goals, they're probably checking in C Derick Brassard, UFA ($3 mil) who hasn't panned out in Pitts. Other possibles: UFA's Zuccarello, Dzingel, Ferland

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:20 pm EST

Then again so should any team needing a backstop...... RHET: I imagine there may be other ways to obtain top line talent, I just haven't imagined them.... You?

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:19 pm EST

Philly should be calling CBJ regarding BOBROVSKY

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:13 pm EST

Rhet: Legs first, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRsQAEpav9A

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:10 pm EST

BTW, FWIW I keep reading that Fletcher is under enormous pressure not to abandon the year. That doesn't mean Simmonds won't be traded but ownership believes finding a goalie who can get them some wins might be enough to get them back into the POs. They believe in their team after the goalie position in other words. That's possible but such a deal cannot wait until the deadline because there simply won't be enough games left to play to catch up. Gotta be soon - like in the next 2 weeks at the most.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:07 pm EST

Ranger47: Good question. I guess it partially depends on the status of Sherk and if the Rangers believe he's capable of playing in the NHL next year. Talbot is a pending UFA so the Rangers wouldn't be tied down to a dumb contract (which I suppose probably means Philly wouldn't trade their 1st for him, which jettisons the whole trade if Geo isn't included). My gut says Geo stays because of his age, (in)experience but encouraging play this year.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 4:00 pm EST

RF4L: Philly might prefer Georgiev. Would you make the trades to use Talbot as our backup and let G go?

Ranger47


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:58 pm EST

RHET- Not sure about Shore ????. But for Anaheim this was a salary dump. They suffer, like a lot of other clubs now with unproductive players (Kesler, Perry) on lucrative long term deals. They are also a “budget” team. The interesting thing is what impact this has on Kesler, who is a shell of his former self. Cogliano was non-productive this season. The other interesting issue for them is what happens with Silfverberg, who is on his way to unrestricted free agency without any big effort to re-sign him. Have to think he will be moved as well. Troy Terry is lighting the AHL up. He might get the call.

Bob


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:50 pm EST

Send Kreider and Hayes to the Oil for Talbot, the Finn and Edmonton's first, then flip Talbot to Philly for their 1st. If the Oilers need salary retained, get their 2nd rounder next year.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:48 pm EST

Returns will be low in a buyers market....Need to find the right partner....

PJ


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:24 pm EST

Talbot has been heavily rumored to be available and they already have his list of teams that he would accept a trade to. The FLYERS have been rumored to be very interested in him ...MF.... Are you sure there's not a third way we can get top line talent?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:06 pm EST

To state the obvious: This years Trade Deadline is Feb. 25, add in the the Allstar break and the pressure increases on the GM's to start trading...... Wallsters, I see obtaining 1st line talent 1 of 2 ways: we draft it, or we buy it....... I say we do both, because both are presenting itself..... Continue what was started last year at the deadline, move a bunch of guys for picks and salary dumps, draft well, and buy Top 3 talent..... We have a promissing Trio of backstops in Hank/Gio/Shesterwhathisname..... So let the trading begin and let it be known that we will be active participants in the UFA market....

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:06 pm EST

Rhet: Perhaps. I'm on the fence as far as Puljujärvi goes. I've never really seen him play to be honest. I know he was a high draft pick but that's about it.

RDW


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:05 pm EST

What goaltender? Talbot? The other 2 pieces would mean, therefore, the trading partner has to retain a significant cap hit (retained and/or Talbot's $4,000,000+ hit). The Oilers have no cap room right now.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 3:02 pm EST

RDW... Maybe they'd be more willing to move Jesse Puljujärvi now.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 2:57 pm EST

blame it on the bossa nova and staal . who needs stinkin calm ?...“Staaly is such an influence in the locker room, he’s such a calming influence,” Quinn said. “He does his job in a professional manner and he’s had a really good year on the ice. When those [young] guys play with him, I think there’s a little bit of a safety factor to it all and there is a little calming effect on those guys. So with no question, I think he helps those guys.”

stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 2:19 pm EST

Ryan Rishaug ‏ Verified account @TSNRyanRishaug 58m58 minutes ago More Oilers organization is on a full court press to find help at forward. Scouts and staff deployed en masse. Cap situation could make it tough, but first round pick, a goaltender, maybe a young developing forward likely all in play.

RDW


Mon Jan 14 2019 1:39 pm EST

Devon Shore for Coligano is NOT a good deal. If I were a DUCKS fan, I would be pissed.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 1:04 pm EST

Hospo: Good point and indeed it will be interesting to see how goes and stays over the next several months, starting between now and the deadline. Anyone who's not gone but is deemed as expendable will go at the draft likely. What we do know is DQ isn't going anywhere so his voice in terms of the roster makeup should carry some significant weight.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 1:02 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger .... Igor Shestyorkin is the KHL's latest Goalie of the Week winner. He earned a shutout in both starts. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:48 am EST

Ok..I think i have vented all the Ranger toxic waste that had been building up in my system..but all we can do is wait on Gordo..You would think DQ has already identified the players he wants to keep and the ones he wants out of here....It's up to Gordo to act on it in context with any long range plan they have in place..I want to see it..OTOH, I'm deaathly afraid to see it becasue I have little confidence in the guy...We shall see....

Hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:45 am EST

Random stupid thoughts. I think we all knew this team was going to lose. And lose a lot. I think many (all?) were also hoping that they lost the "right" way. Some mentioned effort, toughness, kids getting better, a semblance of DQ's defensive identity, and just be a PITA team to play against. I agree with all of those, and I'm sure there are others. Here's one more: last 2 mins, I'd like to see our goalie pulled, us having a shot to tie, and a frantic/exciting finish that pushes the opposing goalie to make some miracle saves. Basically, make the other team sweat and gimmie a reason to watch until the end.

limbo


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:17 am EST

Another fine mess you got us into Stanley......Depressing....

PJ


Mon Jan 14 2019 11:12 am EST

Thanks Stevie - You're of course correct, it was Kiner! One of the things we haven't mentioned in terms of upcoming trades for picks and young assets is the cap space we get with these moves to sign other UFAs who might be a better fit for our future plans. But, clearly, the future will be determined by how well Ranger management can evaluate players/picks - a scary thought.

Ranger47


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:37 am EST

Ducks/Star trade - Devon Shore for Coligano. Come on Gorton - get off your hands dude...

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:29 am EST

Getting rid of most of the current players is fine and needed but the picks and prospects you get back will probably amount to jack didley...Hayes, McQuaid and Zucc as rentals will bring you back some decent picks that MIGHT help in 5-7 yeasrs or so..but unless you deal controllable guys like ZBAD, KREIDER, SKJEI, FAST. there is likely little to help the rebuild .over the next few years or that will be a guarantee...OTOH, you deal those guys, you will be icing an ECHL team and likely be in the hunt for the #1 pick for at least three years........GUYS like VESEY and BUCH should also be dealt pronto and may bring back young NHLers that are struggling elsewhere, but may be a better fit for what DQ wants......It's bad..and dont see it getting much better fot a long time not with who's in charge and how poorly he evaluates NHL talent

hospo


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:14 am EST

r47 they told that to Ralph kiner after hitting 50+ home runs when he asked for a raise.... we came in last with you, we can come in last without you.....

stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:06 am EST

If we want to move Smith he should be playing regularly. Having him in an out of the lineup every other game isn't helping anyone.

RDW


Mon Jan 14 2019 10:04 am EST

It will be interesting to see what happens over the bye week and Allstar game break. I don't recall which superstar in the 69s (I believe) this was said to by his GM (think it was Boston): You may have won the MVP award, but we could just as easily end up in last place without you. That's my feeling on this year; no one should be untouchable to get the assets we need to move forward.

Ranger47


Mon Jan 14 2019 9:50 am EST

@cuthbertonline Paul C. Cuthbert Retweeted Rick Carpiniello Great column by RC as usual. Great new .@TheAthletic app. Great possibility most of the current players on this #NYR squad will no longer be here in March. Georgiev was brilliant in defeat. He’s the goods.

stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:53 am EST

PJ: Yeah, DeA should go down but he'll have to go on waivers to get there. Agreed on Smith. The $10,000,000+ pairing of Smith ahd Shittenkirk is on Gorton - he acquired both and gave both their current contracts. Smith is probably untradeable but Shittenkirk, if the Rangers eat 1/3 of his cost, could bring something reasonable back I believe (hope).

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:50 am EST

Pionk has had a rough stretch but overall has been pretty good this season....Don't mind if TonyD is sent down and just get Smith out of here.....

PJ


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:33 am EST

stevie: I think Howden should go down. Chytil seems to be coming around lately - starting to generate legitimate offense - so he should stay. What about bringing up Hajek and farming out Pionk? I think given the heavy minutes Pionk gets regularly he's not going anywhere. Too bad Vesey and Buch cannot be farmed out - neither are doing anything. Vesey did score but he seems to skating around in a daze and Buch has been beyond invisible. I am beginning to think at least one, if not both, will not be on the team next year and that's so disappointing.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:25 am EST

At least bring beleskey and Holland up . They can help the tank.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:21 am EST

I just don’t think the kids need to be here until after the deadline. In the meantime send them down and bring the misfits up. As far as I can tell this season is just going to get uglier.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:17 am EST

It's so time to swap at least young Rangers with 2 Pack players...not sure why Gorton is sitting on his hands. Again. Do something instead of sitting there picking your nose.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:11 am EST

More DQ "Listen, that’s a team that competes hard on pucks and they test your mettle and we failed miserably tonight. Miserably. Our lack of determination on one-on-one battles, fishing for pucks, you do that in this league, that’s what happens. You get your asses handed to you." 0 replies 1 retweet 1 like Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 10h10 hours ago David Quinn was not happy tonight. "Listen, you’re going to lose hockey games, but you better want to battle somebody. It’s just ridiculous. You know, three games where we feel pretty good about our effort and compete, and then we come out here and do that? It’s a freaking joke."

stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:09 am EST

The Rangers lost 69% of the FOs yesterday. That, to me, is a clear sign of a lack of will and discipline and commitment. FO prowess includes skill but there's a reason in most games with most teams the split is far closer to 50/50. Gorton needs to start the 18/19 purge sooner rather than later IMO.

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 8:05 am EST

Yes the McLeod magic has vanished like a fart in the wind!

rF4l


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:47 am EST

Time for fishpie to start the curly shuffle .....http://www.hartfordwolfpack.com/team/roster

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 7:32 am EST

2-6 in the last 8 .... this team has plenty of quit in it... guess iCloud lost his lucky charms... maybe Purple haze has them ..,.? ... 6-13-4 ...

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:46 am EST

“They just won every one-on-one battle. It was unbelievable that every time we went into the corner, they came out with the puck,” Quinn said. “Our lack of ability to be physical and fish for pucks, looked like we’d never been over ‘D’ zone coverage.”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 6:39 am EST

“We’re going to watch this and we’re going to learn from this,” Quinn said. “We have zero chance if we’ve got 20 guys in uniform not wanting to compete for pucks and get into people and have a little bit of snarl to your game.”

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 12:42 am EST

After 48 games “we’re not physcal enough “ ..!...New York Rangers New York Rangers @NYRangers · 2h “We’re going to keep working at in any fashion that we can whether it be film, talking...we’re going to get after it.” - #NYR Coach Quinn

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 14 2019 12:41 am EST

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-rumors-january-13-2019/

mf


Mon Jan 14 2019 12:14 am EST

You'd probably get more for just the 'not so crappy' prospect straight up... and you're not getting a pick for him. There are legit NHL-ers that will only cost you a 7th round pick.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 14 2019 12:06 am EST

I'll trade our way around that. Convert the crap to various picks, bundle the picks, toss in a "not so crappy" prospect, and move us up in the drafting order.....

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:47 pm EST

MF... Yes, a bundle of crap is a bundle of crap. Open contract slots can be more value than a crappy player.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:45 pm EST

Anyone who is down on the NYR tonight should read some of the comments on the Anaheim DUCKS boards. They just lost for their 11th straight game. At least we have the 'rebuilding' excuse.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:44 pm EST

One thing is for sure with these NYR: they are friggin slow. And they lack the skill to spread apart the ice. It’s brutal.

E


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:39 pm EST

Ducks lost their 11th straight

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:37 pm EST

Are you saying a bundle of crap is a bundle of crap?

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:29 pm EST

MF.... He has some trade value, but I don't imagine it's a lot. If we bring him up and he has a good stretch it will only help to increase it. We could send down DeAngelo (despite the risk of losing him) and bring Gilmour up. What I know about bundling is that it's never done in the NHL. You can't put together a handful of par and sub par players and hope to get anything of value. Other teams would prefer keeping their contract slots open instead of doing that. For example..... "Do I really want these five mediocre guys when I would have to clear out 4-5 contract spots to do it? No, I'd rather keep my crap instead of trading for their crap."

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:01 pm EST

Rhet, no worries.... I just want to start the trading.... Does our boy GILMORE have any trade value? "Let's Get Ready To Bundle!" http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/player/9652

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:46 pm EST

MF... BTW, I'm just teasing you.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:46 pm EST

MF... Gilmour is an older player and the 10 game rule does not apply to him. He burns off a year of his contract whether he plays in the NHL or not.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:35 pm EST

Good to know you're following his development too.

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:32 pm EST

MF... At least I talk about prospects that we actually have, instead of guys we are never going to get. BTW, the great Evan Bouchard is still in the OHL :)

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:31 pm EST

Can't we bring some of the kids up for less than 10 games and not burn a year off their contracts?

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:22 pm EST

And get a damn forward that goes to the net! We have nobody..except Kreider 40% of the nights and the smallish ZUcc..probably the feitiest Ranger forward tonught..That is saddd

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:19 pm EST

So play a LHS on the right side..I dont care ....just give me a kid, hell even a vet, with some smarts. size and snarl on the back lien--Then again, the way this team is going and being tought, his game wil regress like Pionk's

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:14 pm EST

Hospo: we have next to nothing with a RHS in the lower levels... Rhet for the love of everything holy, please no more Joey Keane. :-)

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:13 pm EST

Rob O'Gara anyone? https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/o/ogararo01.html

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:10 pm EST

RHET - There has got to be something better than a GILMOUR!!!..All i remmember is a skater (and a fast one at that) with some offensive skill but woefull and weak defesnively..Mayhe he can replace DeAngelo!

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:06 pm EST

Who's McQuaig? Did Gorton make a trade I missed??!

rF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:06 pm EST

MC - Ya kmow. I dont think think McQuaid's presence would have changed a loss into a victory..but he is way more professional and reliable than the rest of the D and, yeah, maybe could have made some little difference in the scatter-brained eway the D and tewam played...More importantly, he is one of the few Rangers with balls and worth watching

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:00 pm EST

Ya, okay, if McQuaig would have played today it would have made a huge difference, LOL. He's so frigging good, I can't believe he's not in the All Star Game! It's a pretty sad state of affairs that he is perceived to be one of our best d-men! Wow, we are talking McQuaig people, McQuaig!!!! I really do believe we have the worst d in the league. At least Dolan's other team is doing well, oh, wait a minute, they are even worse. How does that man sleep at night. His pillow must be stuffed with thousand dollar bills!

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:49 pm EST

Lowest IQ team in the league....Lead the league in avg penalty minutes per game and we couldn't be much softer....I would be happy if I never saw Brendan Smith play another game for the Rangers...Can't say much more than I have about Shattenkirk although some here blame his play on everything but him.....Those that want this thing turned over at the trade deadline may get their wish....DQ was pissed in the postgame and if he in fact is a good teacher as they say, we have the dumbest students ever assembled....They don't ever learn....

PJ


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:46 pm EST

Hospo... JOHN GILMOUR has actually been very hot down in Hartford. Giving him another look couldn't hurt, especially if Claesson is out for a while.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:37 pm EST

RHET - Even if the "d" shows up..it wont make a bit of diffeence if the forwards play lazy, defenively irresponsible hockey while giving little forecheck and neitral zone interfeence and losing 70% of FOs...All that was on full display tonight.....But I agree that at least 3 of the D-men could be dropped/dealt..but I wouldnt want to bringh up a kid like Hajek to this crap....Have no idea who's pkayung steady D in Hartford...O'Gara??

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:31 pm EST

We need to trade at least two of our defensemen and bring up at least one kid on D. It's clear that this D is not (or shouldn't be) the future of this team.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:30 pm EST

If McQuaid was healthy, DQ screwed up.

rF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:30 pm EST

Irving moofman you’re full of hot air

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:29 pm EST

There were positives to take out of their last two efforts. Like holding the NYI to a total 45 shots on goal in two games. I wish that team D showed up today. It would've been a much more competitive game.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:26 pm EST

MF - Extra work in practice will do nothing...public call outs by the coach/GM, benchings, trips to Hartford and waivers..Team missed McQUAID...Why was he sat again?

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:19 pm EST

What do you do? Wind sprints? If so, I'm game..

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:18 pm EST

NHL trade deadline 2019, Monday, February 25..... Last years trade deadline & the day McD & Miller were moved was Feb. 28, 2018

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:16 pm EST

You know what's really scary about that DQ quote? That thev standars are so low that they felt good about their last three efforts! :)...OK....i am glad that DQ is furious..but this hapens far too often..Do something about it before Tuesday

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:14 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... Furious David Quinn after this one. Fuming. "You're going to lose hockey games. But you better want to battle somebody. It's just ridiculous. Three games where we feel good about our effort and our compete, and then we come out here and do that? It's a freaking joke." #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:13 pm EST

RHET - who's talking about firing anybody right now?

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:11 pm EST

Let me remind everyone here that this is still year one of the rebuild. Premature to talk about firing anyone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:05 pm EST

And again. losing is one thing ..but the total absence of N-S plying, physical tenacity and relemtless attitude makes them sooo hard to watch..will Gordo give DQ the type of players he wants..or will this be a sqyare peg-round hole organization until one or bot are canned??

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:00 pm EST

Yes, 21 and 47 is abysmaal...especially Nieves and his 2-14

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:57 pm EST

Not winning faceoffs is not helping

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:56 pm EST

Rf4l I think the mighty Quinney is being too easy on these guys. He can’t be their friend. And no extra forwards doesn’t help .

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:55 pm EST

RF4L - I dont think it has one iota to do with the previous regime..It's the players themselves..and the players that Gordo aquires...BUCH is a perfect example..He cried and pouted under AV..played like a brat....He rejoiced when AV was fired...Nothing has changed...he' even worse..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:53 pm EST

Mc please throw fishpie and nosen under that bus too

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:52 pm EST

Wish we could trade Sather, Dolan and Mickeletti!!!!!!!!

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:52 pm EST

Totally concur on the endless bad habits. Hopefully it's more to do with the remnants of the previous regime, specifically the veterans who are still on the team. If not, it's far more worrisome because it suggests the new coach has no clothes.

rF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:52 pm EST

Why they refuse to play like they did in part of the 3 rd period is really something that has to be solved. And the mighty Quinney is not innocent in this nonsense.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:51 pm EST

NCRanger - Unfortunately, one of the big problems is Fishboy himslef and his evaluation of NHL talent and what this team needs..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:50 pm EST

MC - As Dean Vernon said..."Weak, stupid and undisciplined is no way to go through life "

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:49 pm EST

That was a whole lot of ugliness.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:48 pm EST

What bad habits of passing looking for open lanes .... shoot the puck crash the net get dirty fluky goals

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:47 pm EST

This team is in need of a total makeover...the roster is pure shit. Let's get to it Fishboy. Let the dealing begin

NCRanger


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:46 pm EST

Weak, stupid and undisciplined! That could be our new fight song!

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:44 pm EST

Vesey giveth..Vesey taketh away! Both him and ZBAD behund the net in non-man's land..Rangers in a nutshell..never quit..but weak, stupid and undisciplined

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:44 pm EST

We need a Field Goal

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:43 pm EST

AV uses a time out

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:43 pm EST

Vesey sucks.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:42 pm EST

Stevie...100% agree. Too much bringing into offensive zone and stopping 1/2 way down the wall to get cute. Dump and chase and work.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:42 pm EST

Bye bye

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:41 pm EST

Howden wins the FO..and good things happen..Thye may just skate and do little hitting at all..but they never give up..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:40 pm EST

Vesey is great!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:40 pm EST

If they would just continue crashing and shooting they might win more .

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:39 pm EST

We need a safety now to take the lead....

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:39 pm EST

RE: Hayes, I think the best approach is to include him in a trade and if he's available after the season, re-evaluate our options.. IMO we must continue to accumulate picks & prospects... We are paying for Sather's shortsightedness.. Time to take the medicine kids...

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:36 pm EST

Woohoo MZA!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:35 pm EST

Hospo they should send all the kids down and bring the schlubs up to take their spots . But he won’t because he thinks he’s mini genius.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:33 pm EST

STEVIE - Or..the GM sucking also...He gave the kids no vets for the kids to play with and learn from or lean on..and they have all floundered

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:31 pm EST

We'll have to agree to disagree on HAYES..old arguement...I like the player he has turned into..but neithetr he nor ZBAD are a real 1st line center

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:29 pm EST

MC...that's Stepan!! All.that for $6,500,000 per!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:29 pm EST

There has to be a better way than their post thanksgiving record. This is the gm tanking.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:28 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hNqmuTvbik

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:27 pm EST

Trade both sounds good to me! I feel Hayes would turn into Stepan if he already isn't him. I watch a lot of Coyotes, don't ask me why! He is the slowest guy on the ice. First line minutes and power play and I think he's got 18 points. Absolutely invisible.

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:26 pm EST

We need a 3 pointer right about now

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:25 pm EST

Dickinose....blah blah balh...

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:25 pm EST

Rf4l I would probably say that in my mind at least... this team has lots of problems, and the coach hasn’t been able to solve them. So I guess fishpie will be trading away.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:24 pm EST

Let Georgiev take the beating..that's what backups are for

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:24 pm EST

Vesey thinks he's gretzky....

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:24 pm EST

MC - Disagree..partly....Hayes made a big leap in his play last year and contimued it this year as the best forward on the team..Yes, you trade him if you think you cnat or wont resign him..but you aint gonna get much for him as a UFA rental..The guy to trade is the controlled ZBAD..though a lesser player than Hayes..he will fetch alot more becuase of his contract dollars and term...or..it doesnt matter and you just trade both

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:22 pm EST

Stevie...hank said no I'm not going in.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:20 pm EST

He really should put hanky in unless there’ a good reason not to

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:19 pm EST

Three NYR standing around and watching GEO take that shot. Cool.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:19 pm EST

Hayes has never once had a 50 point season and if he re-signs here for big money and long term, it will get very very ugly on here. I think best to trade him and get something or him. What is Shittenkirk doing out there? Like I said, worst defense in the league!

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:19 pm EST

Let's all collapse on the goalie, not move, and leave the points open so they create the shooting gallery. What a joke

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:18 pm EST

ANd not to pile on Georgiev..but I have noticed that the BJs have been going high and to the short side agasint him..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:18 pm EST

Pull Geo and put in the backup goalie.....

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:17 pm EST

Sickening..Shiit totally outworked..the forwards without a clue of what to do and where to be..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:17 pm EST

The $10,000,000+ Shit and Shit pairing is great!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:16 pm EST

Goodnight Irene

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:15 pm EST

Talk about a clustertfuck of a fourth line..the scarecrow Buch, a lost roooie in Howden and the one and only Cody Mcleod.

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:10 pm EST

NEWFIE - Far from a third stringer..a very good two-way 2nd center..but that's neither here nor there for this team

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:08 pm EST

Third stringer on any of the top teams and that's what makes it sad.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:08 pm EST

MC - Yes, the talent is low..but that's when a coach earns his money and gets his team to work harder and smarter. not just skating...That's all the Rangers do,..And if some of the players dont buy into the playing hard, smart, and disciplined, you get rid of them..Unfortuntely, that's alot of them.

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:07 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5QYTrDReTo

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:05 pm EST

Its not Quinn's fault we barely have any talent. That defence is the worst in the league and the forwards certainly don't help at all. You are right in doesn't matter who is in net.

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:03 pm EST

And while Shitt and SMith indeed deserve all the criticism..PIONIK has gone wayyyyy down hill and has been as bad as anybody....Again, it sucks not having McQuaid out there..Was he really just "benched"?

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:58 pm EST

NEWFIE - Not a savior..but the best foward on the team since last spring....Unfortunately, that's so sad..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:55 pm EST

Where's Wildcard? I wanna hear how good they are on face offs!

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:55 pm EST

Hey relax folks ...our "savior" #13 will be back in the line-up soon and all will be right again .

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:55 pm EST

And we can say anything we want about The KIng and Georgiev but it really doesnt matter with the type of chances they face every night.....Yers, the Rangers lack talent..but they should sure as hell be playing smarter and tighter hoockey..That is on QUINN

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:54 pm EST

We've "won" 24% of our face offs tonight. Have we ever done worse than that?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:52 pm EST

It was so very nice of Shittenkirk to give us that home town discount! He deserves several millions more.

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:51 pm EST

Nieves loses the FO again..and all three forwartds running aroud like chickens with their heads cut off..They play stupid hockey

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:51 pm EST

Shith and Shittenkirk. What an awesome paor!! $10,000,000+ pairimg!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:51 pm EST

We have completely forgotten how to play defense of back check.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:49 pm EST

Not that the vets are any better..Good for ZUCC..he'll be better for a contending team..nt sure what we'll get thought

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:48 pm EST

Hospo...totally agree. Some of DQ's decisions are hrad scratchers...

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:47 pm EST

Woohoo!! Trade value rising!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:47 pm EST

GO ZUCC GO!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:47 pm EST

Real great coverage by HOWDEN..NOT!..only in this shit storm of a season would a stuggling kid who hit the wall long ago and has like one point in 20 games keep on getting thrown out there instead of taking a bgreak or going dwon to Hartfod for some experience and confidence...

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:45 pm EST

Time to farm out Howden....

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:42 pm EST

I know we have a few young guys but should they be playing this bad as a team ? Absolutely clueless out there.

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:41 pm EST

Face offs killing them. Lose for Hughes.

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:41 pm EST

Face offs killing them. Lose for Hughes.

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:39 pm EST

Maybe we should just move DeAngelo to the wing.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:38 pm EST

FO circle...28 to like 7. More horrid concentration...

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:36 pm EST

Deangelo you bozo

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:34 pm EST

Let's just decline all PP.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:32 pm EST

Of course we hit the post.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:31 pm EST

I haven't seen a close your hand on the puck penalty in a while.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:30 pm EST

Doesn’t last two PP reflect Torts teams? Nothing changes over the years.

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:29 pm EST

RF4L: Our only hope is that some team thinks Smith/Shatty just need a change of scenery

RDW


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:27 pm EST

Smith with another handaway. Gawd he's shot. Shith and Shittenkirk!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:24 pm EST

Good thing we don't have more rookies playing, otherwise we might take too many dumb penalties.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:22 pm EST

Rangers lead the league in minor penalties taken. Partly poor discipline and partly poor talent. More the former IMO.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:17 pm EST

Way too much time in our own zone.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:10 pm EST

Give Dr. Strange credit here. Starting Georgie over Hankie is a good sign. He is clearly a boss and I’m sure Hankie is fuming inside. Good. Maybe, just maybe Hankie is going to start questioning his decision to stay...

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:06 pm EST

BUCH has so much hockey skill but is a pouting, lazy, inconsistent, weak, brain dead, waste of flesh..He needs to be shipped out pronto..CUE to BUCH scoring the winning goal tonight...

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:06 pm EST

Rhet, Zuc is hopeless. I went to the home opener and he was one of the worst Ranger players on the ice then. Zuc is now a shade of the player he once was. He is on the next bus out of town and he knows it.

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:06 pm EST

Rhet, Zuc is hopeless. I went to the home opener and he was one of the worst Ranger players on the ice then. Zuc is now a shade of the player he once was. He is on the next bus out of town and he knows it.

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 7:01 pm EST

CM, Buch is an interesting case. To me, he is a player that needs a specific line mates. Not to say he needs Crosby, but he needs a center with a vision. Rangers don’t have one. Zab is not a good center for him. Before dumping him for penny on a dollar, I would wait till next season.

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:56 pm EST

Andrei.... Pick on ZUCC, he can use some more goals to make him more trade-worthy.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:55 pm EST

Hospo, are coming around and joining us on the “clean the house” bus?

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:53 pm EST

Andrei: Buch!

ColoradoMark


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:52 pm EST

Totally outclassed and looking like a pee wee team for most of the period and they end up 2-2..funny stuff

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:51 pm EST

Yes, Boo did agreat job in losing the puck!

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:50 pm EST

Kreider hears andrei and wakes up!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:50 pm EST

Good hustle by Krider staying with the play...vrey few Rangers do

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:50 pm EST

Funny, whom should I add to the trade list next?

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:50 pm EST

Sweet play by BOO.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:49 pm EST

Boo!

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:49 pm EST

KREIDDDEEEERRRRRRRR!!!!!

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:49 pm EST

I was wrong- it was "Zi-been-a-jad" I know these are tough names, but professionals should get a pronunciation key or something.

ColoradoMark


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:48 pm EST

Heading to a 20 shot against first period

RF73


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:47 pm EST

Btw, last 10 games is a perfect example why Krider should be on the list of the players that need to go next. A complete disappointing no-show after a good stratch of 10+ games. Only player over 24 I would keep is Zab. Good contract, plays against other teams top lines. Hustles every night. Perfect 2nd line center. Give him talented forwards, he will get 65-70 points.

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:47 pm EST

Apparently, the NYR think shoddy defense and taking lots of penalties are the keys tp winning.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:46 pm EST

Chytil with a terrible giveaway in his own end. Geesh.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:46 pm EST

And BUCH and SHITT and about 8 others..

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:42 pm EST

Trade Vesey with Smith.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:39 pm EST

Worst defense in the league had striked twice today. Georgie is keeping them in the game. Man, Panerin sure would look in Rangers uniform. Can’t see why he would even consider forgo UFA. No insentive. He will get $80+ in 6 month and can pick the team he wants to play for. Why play for Torts?

andrei


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:37 pm EST

Can we just trade Brenden Smith already?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:37 pm EST

Smith gives it away and a prnalty results.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:35 pm EST

Boo has been pretty good lately. Hopefully he can consistently play like this...

RDW


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:32 pm EST

That was a great shot by Duclair.

RDW


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:32 pm EST

Vesey sux now. Too bad...

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:31 pm EST

Damn, DUCLAIR abused SHITT on that one vand Goergiev too..needs to make that save

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:31 pm EST

Shittenkirk...

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:27 pm EST

Their games do NOT compliment each other.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:25 pm EST

Whst a horrendous 30 seconds for that useless pair.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:25 pm EST

Zuccarella. But the other guy pronounced Georgie correctly

ColoradoMark


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:24 pm EST

Skjei and Pionk...dubious pairing for sure.

RF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:24 pm EST

So far the Jackets announcers have butchered the following names: Knee-Avas, Pee-Onick and ZIE-ban-u-jad

ColoradoMark


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:23 pm EST

PANARIN auditioning for the NYR.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:21 pm EST

CHYTIL IS CHYTING UP! Nice finish by STROME!

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:17 pm EST

Nice to see our better goalie in tonight instead of the great "King".

MC


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:16 pm EST

E... But come on, the year we went to the cup, didn't he have like two concussions that season? The guy deserves a little slack.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:15 pm EST

Sucks McQuaid is out..One of the few guys on the team fun to watch or who uses the body..Maybe he's a little dinged up. othertwise makes zero sense considering the alternatives

Hospo


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:15 pm EST

Columbus BJ's 'Rick Nash appreciation night' was pretty lame, I'm not going to lie.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 6:14 pm EST

Nash WAS the NYR. Not good enough to win it all. But so competent in all 3-zones they were really hard to beat. The New York Rangers were better for having him in the lineup. He was so flexible and could play so many roles. Even when his head slowed him down he was still a great 3-zone player. Problem is? The New York Rangers needed game breakers and they didn’t have the cap room to acquire what they needed

E


Sun Jan 13 2019 5:59 pm EST

McQuaid is not who I would scratch.... per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ... Pionk is in, Adam McQuaid is the scratch.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 5:40 pm EST

Can we just send Howden down for a few games so maybe he can regain his confidence in scoring? Maybe? .....per Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ... If I understand this correctly, Boo Nieves is on the third line (with Vesey and Namestnikov) and Howden is on the fourth (with McLeod and Buchnevich).

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 5:39 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... No Pionk in #NYR rushes, and Howden and Nieves swap. So: ....Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello.... Chytil-Strome-Fast.... Vesey-Nieves-Namestnikov.... McLeod-Howden-Buchnevich.... Skjei-McQuaid.... Staal-DeAngelo.... Smith-Shattenkirk.... Georgiev

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 5:31 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis ..... Quinn says Claesson is set to have an MRI, and that Brendan Smith was coming back in. Pionk is still a game-time decision. And it’s *Georgiev* going again in nets, strats on consecutive nights with Lundqvist getting “a mental break.” #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 4:44 pm EST

LEO... You are correct. I was thinking about the year after when it didn't count. MCD was our leading point getter with 17 in 25 GP.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 4:35 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... Alex Georgiev gets the start again in goal tonight #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 4:33 pm EST

Rhet - how are you defining "good playoffs until the finals"? To my memory he was consistently mediocre; I used to go look at his playoff stats to back my dislike for him but now it just makes me sad.

LeoS


Sun Jan 13 2019 2:54 pm EST

This is pretty funny. The goal was initially waived off but after conferring, the refs upheld it. The opposing player is literally laying on top of the goalie when the puck is shot into the net(IIHF)... https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1084533354601549825

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 2:32 pm EST

In regard to NASH: Can we at least agree that he was half the player he should've been due to the concussions? Kind of out of his hands, you know? ...Also, He was having a good postseason until he got to the finals.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 2:04 pm EST

Like the great bridge builder , if hanky and Nash could have overcome the Assvipe playoffs choking, they woulda been nyr heroes ... shoulda coulda...instead of chokas... then moofman would be better than he is....

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:54 pm EST

Any word on Claesson………….looked like a seperated shoulder to me. Didn't look good as he left the ice.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:47 pm EST

tdchi……...I'm a very big Nash fan and I have to admit that was his biggest down fall, big games in the PO's....just didn't get it done.Great player though and better person.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:37 pm EST

So the cup final where the Rangers desperately needed goals and where Rick NASH failed to produce any of them shouldn't come to define his legacy? Right Brooksie. That's comedy gold.

tdchi


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:20 pm EST

From Today's Hockey News: https://thehockeynews.com/section/live

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:19 pm EST

GrammarLegs: Very nice usage of the word, "than" there....

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 11:41 am EST

“By the way, according to the Hockey-Reference.com Play Index, four forwards have taken at least 80 shots in the playoffs while scoring five goals or fewer. The three other than Nash did it while winning the Cup. Claude Lemieux scored five goals on 81 shots for the 1996 Avalanche, Mike Modano scored five goals on 83 shots for the 1999 Stars, and Sergei Fedorov scored five goals on 88 shots for the 2002 Red Wings.”

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 10:32 am EST

Steve Kournianos ‏ @TheDraftAnalyst .... Jack Hughes is averaging 1.96 p/g (53 in 27).... Hughes is on pace to finish with 102 pts on the season and 228 (1.93) for his career — 39 more pts than Keller (1.54), 48 more than Kessel (1.52), 56 more than Kane (1.42), 51 more Matthews (1.61) and 89 more than Eichel (1.25).

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:56 am EST

Puck: I imagine as long as Nob for Life is with the organization Allaire has no concern about being let go.

rF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 9:41 am EST

LB: I know you read this wall so here's something in response to your slapshots column today where you sarcastically write about only 1/3 of the players able to play in the Olympics theortically driving the decision to include that right in the next CBA thereby having to give up something else. Did you ever consider that the other 2/3s absolutely love the notion of 3 weeks off in the middle of winter/season? I'd say most do and perhaps are more driven those the 1/3 who participate. So, as you are apt to say, there's that!

rF4l


Sun Jan 13 2019 8:34 am EST

Thoughts on yesterday’s game. Great job by Geotgiev. The goalie coach should get a lifetime contract, as he makes every backup stellar. Tony D had maybe his best game of the year, I haven’t given up on him yet- still a kid. If he can tone down his risk- taking a bit, especially on breakouts, he can be a solid player someday. He sometimes plays like he wants to show everyone everything he can do, and it translates into mistakes and ill-advised plays. Let’s hope he turned a corner. Shatty looking more assertive and confident last few games, after being put back on the PP1 unit. Kreider benching deserved and necessary- you can’t hold others to task and ignore mistakes from your top players- would lead to locker room infighting and players resentful of their coach. Howden needs some puck luck. I like Valiquette and some of his insights, but if he said Chytil was looking at the goalie’s knees one more time- and that’s why he belongs in the NHL and not the AHL. Really? Did he see his eyes from up there? Maybe, like most of us that played, he saw the top corner open and shot it there?

Puckyou


Sun Jan 13 2019 4:33 am EST

Guys like Matt Martin don’t belong playing professional sports acting like an amateur. He deserves instant karma for that hit on Freddie. That was a straight out intent to injure.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 4:19 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/12/failing-to-deliver-cup-should-not-define-nashs-rangers-legacy/

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:28 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/12/it-doesnt-look-good-for-rangers-defenseman-after-nasty-injury/

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:27 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/12/rangers-end-slide-by-finally-beating-islanders-at-barclays/

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 1:15 am EST

OK, I was originally right.... NHL.com updated, AZ is ahead of us (with same # of points)... We won a game and most of the guys behind us also win. PHILLY looks to be the front runner for HUGES, not really a FLYER-type player.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:42 am EST

Sorry, AZ is two points behind us.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:40 am EST

Ottawa had their win streak broken. Arizona won and may now be tied with us and LA is up 4-1 with 13:37 minutes left. So the Sens will drop down again.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:09 am EST

RF: Haven't touched that stuff since 07/84

mf


Sun Jan 13 2019 12:08 am EST

Rhet: Keep the faith, odds are OTT does NOT get both, or one of Duchene & Stone resigned before the deadline, so if OTT trades one or both, down periscope in the standings... RYAN DZINGEL is also a UFA projected to have a career year with 32/28/60 points currently earning $1.8mill..... Let's dial up Colorado Joe and get to work on a deal

mf


Sat Jan 12 2019 11:41 pm EST

Always nice to win and especially against the Fishsticks....Still don't believe the Rangers played well...Too many turnovers and penalties...Can't complete a ten foot pass to save their lives....Did play better on D as they elininated odd man rushes and breakaways....I like Chiasson and Shattenkirk plays better when paired with him...TonyD is baffling....Praise one minute and curse him the next....Have been worried about Buch and Vesey for a while....Wouldn't miss either of them....

PJ


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:49 pm EST

Mf...step away.from the trade bong...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:41 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Gabriel Fontaine tallied two points (one goal, one assist), including a shorthanded goal, and led all skaters with five shots on goal in Hartford's win tonight against Bridgeport.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:31 pm EST

DQ mentioned that HAYES is not playing tomorrow as well ....MF.... Ottawa is also on a 2 game winning streak and 28th overall. I'm telling you, if we get that pick, they will end up being out of the top five. If someone else get's it, it will be #1 overall. That's just the way things work for us.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:26 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Barron tallied two points (one goal, one assist), including the game-winning goal, and recorded four shots on goal in Cornell's 3-2 win. He has posted a multi-point game in each of the last two games (one goal, three assists). #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:23 pm EST

I know Hayes is injured but his situation is starting to remind me a lot of Ryan McDonagh from last year

tlats


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:10 pm EST

Colorado "shut out" by Montreal 3-0.... Guess Le Habs figured out that if you stop their 1st line, you stop the Av's..... Calling all Legs, Calling all Legs, "Get your boy Fish-face on the phone with Colorado Joe and tell him the Traderator's in town... Thank you.....

mf


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:06 pm EST

So the AVS got shut out tonight is Montréal....they are now only a couple points into a playoff spot....their own first rounder may end up in the lottery at this point....probably at least top 20 even if they do make it in. The Rangers brass better be working Sakics phone line, blow that thing up he has to be feeling a little desperation

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 8:12 pm EST

Also glad to see YORK18 make an appearance with his "but you go down asshole lane and I will call you out for it" ......all that was missing was a "LOL" and calling RF4L a one legged man in an ass kicking contest!!

Hospo


Sat Jan 12 2019 8:09 pm EST

Missed the game..but did get a kick out of the comments as always...Just a few things..Claesson no great loss..inconsistent like every other Ranger..Screw Nieves..then again..compared to others on other nights..guess it'a all relative

Hospo


Sat Jan 12 2019 6:39 pm EST

Bob...and because his team there always sucked he rarely got the physical attention he got when he became a Ranger...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 6:21 pm EST

RF4L—He was never appreciated by the fans in Columbus, the team sucked and he was the only decent player. He decided he wanted to move on to a contender and they booed him each time he touched the puck for 6 years. They are another justification for having teams in Canada and not in non-hockey USA markets. Wait until they get the chance to heckle Panarin and Bobrovsky after this season.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 6:13 pm EST

RF4L yes I was absolutely referring to us

tlats


Sat Jan 12 2019 5:54 pm EST

So RICK NASH is dropping the ceremonial puck tomorrow between the NYR and Columbus. I can't decide if it's a classy move or more of a dick move. You know, like the BJ's just sticking it in our faces.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 5:00 pm EST

Rhet...agreed. and really regardless of Gorton's intent Shattenkirk should be getting 1st PO duty. It's a significant reason he was signed and easily a steength of his. If he's gonna dress he should be on the PP. It's that simole IMO.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 4:58 pm EST

This season has not had a lot to enjoy so far. Must admit though, had a blast trolling Fishstick Fan on Twitter. I grouped Matt Martin is with Zac Rinaldo and Michael Haley. They did not handle it well.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 4:56 pm EST

RF4L...True that we have no idea what Gorton and the top brass are planning. Many of the guys on the team have been rumored to be available (including Hayes, Kreider, Zucc, Fast Name, etc). If we resign ourselves to the fact that we're going to trade him, then we need to up his minutes and get him back on the 1sf PP unit (like today). We can get his numbers back up and then trade him at the Draft. If we can do that, then just maybe we don't need to eat too much money.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 4:41 pm EST

rf4l: Another reason to wait until the draft. His value is down right now, the last two games won't turn around the season value wise for him. If he keeps this better play going, the trade deadline will still be a short period of time, but finishing the season strong will make him more valuable to other teams thinking about next season seeing him as a guy that turned it around.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 4:30 pm EST

IMO, the defense in general had a solid game. Some mistakes but those are inevitable. Shattenkirk looked better. I wonder if Gorton would consider trading him. I know it's talked about in here a lot but we've no idea what Gorton is thinking in that regard. He is Gorton's premier UFA signing to date so there may be some reluctance this early into his deal (1 and 1/2 years into a 4 year contract). ANd it might be more prudent to move him at the draft when GMs tend to forget a little how much he's struggled this year. If the Rangers eat 1/3 of his salary I'd argue he'd be an attractive commodity.

rF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 4:25 pm EST

With Claesson out and If PIONK can't go, our defensive lines will look something like this tomorrow.... Skjei-McQuaid.... Staal-DeAngelo.... Smith-Shattenkirk... I think I'd rather bring someone up from the PACK.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:59 pm EST

GEO still looks like a 15 YO kid, maybe he needs to grow a beard or something. That is, if he can.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:57 pm EST

You know, we knock the players for using the same pat answers after games, but the press does ask the same damn questions most of the time too.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:45 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: Is it really? Man, thats just crazy....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:45 pm EST

LOL, see what happens when we play our better goalie!!!!

MC


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:44 pm EST

RF4L: And absolutely...it was the right thing to do, benching Kreider, and it get the entire team playing smarter it seemed like. And Kreider when he came back in the 3rd was a better player IMHO.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:44 pm EST

I can't believe that is our 1st win at Barklays……….

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:43 pm EST

RF4L: One step at a time. Both the PP and PK sucked during that losing streak....so they have one of those two back to the good column, now they need to sustain it into tomorrow.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:43 pm EST

All hail ….Georgie...Georgie.....Georgie...……………..man, Tony D is like the straw man in the wizard of OZ...he has no brain !

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:43 pm EST

it's nice being on the winning end of a fluky goal for a change.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:39 pm EST

Kudos to the coach for sending a message (Kreider benching).

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:38 pm EST

MZA lifting his trade value...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:38 pm EST

Agreed Geo deserves the start tomorrow.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:38 pm EST

WOO HOO!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:37 pm EST

Nice hard fought win. Lousy PP but good PK.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:37 pm EST

RF4L: I seem to remember him being on the PP at one point...not sure if it was due to injuries or what. According to the stats I can find, he has just under 60 min in PP time, so 1:25 per game in 42 games. But I think there was a stretch when he got a bulk of that ice time....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:37 pm EST

Amazing can they blow this game

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:37 pm EST

Deangelo knows how to kill a good thing. New York Rangers swinging the puck around killing time and deangelo gets the puck and fires a shot from the blueline that a traffic cone could stop.

E


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:35 pm EST

They finally shoot when there's no screen. Geesh...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:33 pm EST

Lol...OO descrines the Pp...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:33 pm EST

That is another goal however that as of right now is to ZUCC, and that may be the right call, however, Kreider being in front is part of why it went in....I wish there was a way to track how many goals go in with a guy creating a screen or disturbance. It would be hard to track however, its more of a you have to watch and decide based not he play if he had an impact...but its an overlooked part of Kreider's game I think....and this year he is doing it a LOT more than in the past.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:33 pm EST

Hoe come DQ doesn't use Chytil on the OO???

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:32 pm EST

CHYTIL feeling his oat's.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:31 pm EST

SO a couple games back I looked at the schedule and figured the Rangers would get somewhere around 30 points more the rest of the season.....so this looks like it might be the first 2 of those...I wonder how many they will actually get once traded and stuff happen...of course I had them losing both these games against the Islanders....so I am already off by 2!

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:30 pm EST

Another brain cramp from Fast. Geesh..

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:29 pm EST

Goal by Kreiderello

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:29 pm EST

Well imagine that! Did that touch Kreider as well? I couldn't tell in those replays...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:29 pm EST

Oh boy...the NHL has to decide if its a kicking motion....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:29 pm EST

Oh my...you go to the net and look what happens!! Hockey 101...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:28 pm EST

I'll take it!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:27 pm EST

RF4L: He gets fixated on a single player from the other team every game. I for one dont mind hearing about the other team...watching broadcasts where the home team announcers just keep going over the same stuff about their team over and over is just nauseating. But there is a full roster not he other team, talk about more than one guy for crying out loud.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:26 pm EST

Tlats...you're referring to us and not dickinose. Right? ;^)

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:26 pm EST

Right now, unless Georgiev suddenly falls apart, I would give him the start tomorrow. He has earned it. Even if this was a competitive season and Hank was playing well but was getting a rest, I think I would still put Georgiev in tomorrow. Need to reward good play and battle level like he has had this game.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:24 pm EST

RF4L great minds think alike my friend

tlats


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:23 pm EST

Joe and Sam have a huge crush on Clutterbuck they just can’t get enough of him

tlats


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:22 pm EST

Dickinose mancrushing all game over Flutterphuck. Why?

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:15 pm EST

RF4L: Was thinking the same thing...he had a little bit a bad luck when his skate kind of dug in and help sling him into the boards...but he could have just leaned into the hit...no idea why anyone would turn towards the boards to take a hit....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:14 pm EST

People on twitter saying the rangers most stable Dman out now....I dont know..Cleasson I like, but most stable Dman? Hardly....especially after a bit into the season. He started really well, and played really well, but he fell off after a bit and has been good or bad depending on the shift.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:12 pm EST

That's on Claessen for turning away from the hit.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:11 pm EST

Thats a shoulder...bet it is out of the joint a least a little...doesnt look painful enough for a broken clavicle...or he is a tough SOB...but a shoulder separation of some sort looks like that usually.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:11 pm EST

Claesson looks like a separated shoulder.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:10 pm EST

Bob: i imagine you don't mean throw in as they are not worth much, and that you mean part of a package to get a lot more back than anything the Rangers will move on their own. I mean I agree with that if thats what you mean, I dont think either will get a very big return on their own, but it could be the difference in getting a much higher pick, or better prospect, or better current NHL player in return for one of the UFAs to be. I am sure they have good value around the NHL, and if they cant get to their best here in NY they may get there elsewhere and I am sure teams still feel that around the league. But would it be enough to move them on their own?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:09 pm EST

I remember Doug Soetaert. I also thought the trivia answer was J.D.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:08 pm EST

Definitely you don't move either just to move them especially Buch.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:07 pm EST

Newfie_: I dont know if he must be moved...but if he cant get turned around and playing better and sustain it, thats the big part is sustaining it, then the situation in NY may not be the best for him so moving him may be best for all involved.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:02 pm EST

KREIDER out on the ice for the 3rd.... If we're going to move BUCH, we might be better waiting until the draft.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 3:00 pm EST

I think Buch or Vesey can be a throw in with another player to get a better return. I also think they are the kind of deals done in the off-season and not at the deadline. I think the same about DeAngelo, who has sown enough skill to get another sniff in the league after the Rangers.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:56 pm EST

Finn...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:55 pm EST

Boo....is getting better with each game,I'm in his corner and we should hold on to this kid, and up here not in HTF.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:55 pm EST

Is thst Fonn for real? What a nice surprise if so....

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:51 pm EST

Alex Nunn ‏ @aj_ranger .... Tarmo Reunanen has 9 points in his last 11 games for Lukko and averages almost 27 minutes per-night during that time. Playing the best hockey of his life in all three zones. Just needed a healthy run. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:51 pm EST

Yeah agreed it might be time to move Buch and Vesey. Like Miller last year part of a packahe (or packages).

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:50 pm EST

Rhet.....YES !...………..RF4L....we should find another team for Vesey to play on, Buch too.

Newfie_Ranger


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:50 pm EST

I would give Georgiev the start tomorrow if he wins today...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:50 pm EST

That one rang the cup. Micaeletti going off on his medical explanations is comical at best. Getting hit in the cup still hurts

E


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:49 pm EST

Bob: I cant tell if DQ is trying to get him to work on certain things and just used the 4th line mohave him do it, or if DQ isnt happy with him and doesnt want to use him much. Either way though, I am beginning to feel the same way. He might make it through the season, but I will not be shocked if he is moved before the deadline, or in the offseason. There would be zero rush to move him, they could resign him and still move him so I dont think they will "shop" him with any force....like they won't be pushing to move him, but I imagine his name will be out there just to see what teams will offer up.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:47 pm EST

So, if the NYR pull this game out, do you give GEO the next start in net?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:47 pm EST

So officially Kreider did not take another shift after he took that penalty. I imagine he will come out in the 3rd. That seems to be how DQ does it, at least from what I can remember, guys will be benched for the rest of a period. I am sure they are given a little talking to in the room between periods, but he gives them a chance to show they learned from being benched.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:45 pm EST

We're lucky to be tied.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:45 pm EST

The more I see of this crew, the more I think that Buchnevich is going to be on a different team by October. The talent is there, and lately the effort has been but if he is not good enough to play above the 4th line, they should get what they can for him.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:45 pm EST

RF4L: Other than that one defensive play he made early into e game, I think it was in the 1st, I have not heard his name. I was just beginning to wonder if I missed him going out injured or something. I am starting to get the feeling that he will be traded. He just is not showing any sign of fitting into DQs system and style, and I thought he would be one of the guys who would take off with this kind of mindset.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:44 pm EST

Rhet...lol. I still want him resigned. Kreider should take some guts lessons from him.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:43 pm EST

Is Jimmy Vesey dressed?

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:43 pm EST

Do you think that Joe really thought that shot to the nuggets actually hit McQuaid in the leg?

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:42 pm EST

Wow according to Suckadickaletti he got hit in the knee with that shot… Never knew his knees were between his legs

RF73


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:42 pm EST

RF4L... If you were McQuaid, would you want to re-sign here.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:41 pm EST

Resign McQuaid....I don't care about his age.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:41 pm EST

ouch

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:39 pm EST

Oh geesh. Another idiotic penalty. What is wrong with these guys? Maybe they already dislike the coach...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:38 pm EST

Bob: 10 goals for a 19 year old in the NHL...I will always be happy with that. I mean, maybe if it was a number 1 overall pick I might think he is not doing enough, but for most 19 year olds just being in the lineup is pretty amazing.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:37 pm EST

Rhet..yes much better. Bottom 6 for sure but if he can chip in offensively he might stick around...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:36 pm EST

Rhet: Whatever...when your an ass your an ass...dont hope from it...you were being an ass....sorry to disappoint your high and mighty view of yourself. I dont care who defends me...I am rarely the one who starts down that road....its childish behavior like yours when I say something you dont like...peopel on this wall have an unuslally low ability to take any kind of criticism of what they say. You will make stuff up to stay on your own fantasy target. Like changing the definition of missing the net because you said something stupid....instead of saying that you said it wrong, or thought he missed, you get stupid and say "call it whatever the F you want"....so you became an ass, and expect the world to just accept it. Well grow up...take responsibility for the repercussions fo what you say...you didnt like wheat i posted...so you went angry child.....I posted that because I thought you thought Kreider missed the net with his shot or shots...apparently having a conversation with someone who has decided to be a stupid child isn't possible here.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:36 pm EST

Another dumb offensive zone prnalty by a veteran. Geesh.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:35 pm EST

Bob...agreed but he's gotta be smarter on when to dump vs trying to stickhandle. He turns it over way too frequently.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:33 pm EST

I have to say, that NIEVES kid has been pretty good since his last call up. Anyone changed their mind on him yet?

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:33 pm EST

I think 10 goals is an OK rookie season for a 19 year old.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:32 pm EST

So Kreider not out for that shift...lets see hoe long it lasts..

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:32 pm EST

Kreider benched. Way to go DQ!!

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:31 pm EST

Nice goal. Nice pass and nice shot.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:30 pm EST

CHYTIL!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:29 pm EST

Lololol...embarrassingly inept. And there's enough skill to be better. They simply won't shoot.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:29 pm EST

Par for the course… Didn’t even get a shot on goal during the five on three

RF73


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:28 pm EST

WILD... I find it laughable that you are accusing me of what you ALWAYS do. I also find it pretty ironic that i used to be one of the few guys here that used to defend you. I see now how clearly wrong that I was. You are a total waste of space.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:27 pm EST

Uh oh. Rangers have a five on three… Usually nothing good ever comes from these

RF73


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:27 pm EST

Oh joy...5 on 3!

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:26 pm EST

RF4L: All the time...but you go down asshole lane and I will call you out for it...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:24 pm EST

I think it would are a good time to bench him. Even if the coaching staff isn't really that upset with him, its the perfect opportunity to send that message. Kreider has been around long enough to be able to bounce back from sitting the rest of the period.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:23 pm EST

Wild...is there anyone in here you don't squabble with?

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:23 pm EST

Will he be benched ? He should be

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:22 pm EST

At least Staal was trying to get to him...I mean, for me he should have started closer, but that would have opened a different lane.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:21 pm EST

Time to send a message to one of the so called leaders.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:21 pm EST

Kreider is a meathead

rangerlou


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:21 pm EST

Rhet: Stop saying stupid things that do not mean what you are trying to say. You said he missed the net. I just pointed out that he did not miss the net. If your brain isn't formed enough to understand what words you are using stop using it...just quit...because being an ass after you say something stupid is just annoying...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:21 pm EST

the Rangers putrid PK has returned.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:20 pm EST

Geesh...too much room and time there for the Islander. Did that twice. Kreider should be benched for that stupid penalty. Dumbass.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:20 pm EST

Damn...how many times did he make that some move? I mean, maybe the D thought there is no way he will do the same thing again?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:19 pm EST

WILD... Go look in the mirror and argue with yourself. You look for the most stupid, minuscule BS to argue about.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:17 pm EST

Kreidrr. WTF? Maybe wants to be traded...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:16 pm EST

PK has been terrific so far, but we're really tempting fate with the penalties.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:13 pm EST

SO every save is a player not hitting the empty net...but wait...if a player goalie or not blocks the shot in the blue paint...the net wasn't empty....empty net means there is no one there to stop the puck. Missing an empty net means by definition that you missed the net with no one in it. If the puck is on a path to enter said net, and does not...said net is not empty and the player did not miss it.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 2:12 pm EST

So many dumb plays offensively...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:51 pm EST

WILD... He had an empty net and he didn't hit that empty net, so he missed it. Call it whatever the F you want.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:44 pm EST

Rhet, None of Kreider's shots missed the net....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:44 pm EST

now that was one hell of a glove save.....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:43 pm EST

Chris Kreider missing the empty net.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:42 pm EST

Everytime I hear a whistle, I expect a penalty on the NYR(Pavlov's NYR's) ....MC... I will try not to take the EKLUND comment personally.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:42 pm EST

Lickiletti...we don't give a cluck about Flutterphuck.

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:40 pm EST

Rangers doing their damnedest to give up a goal at the end of the period.

RF73


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:40 pm EST

Chytil with another giveaway in his own rnd? Think it was him. Geesh. Enough already!

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:39 pm EST

Anyway, it was some nifty defensive work on what was a legit breakaway.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:38 pm EST

Rhet- Not to be an ass, but who is "whispering" Eklund? If it's not Panarin or his agent doing the "whispering", I put zero stalk into these "whispers". I know you love rumors, and so do I, but I would still put money on him reaching free agency!

MC


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:38 pm EST

It was the appearance of a penalty. STAAL hit him from the other side first(almost at the same time), so by the time Claesson hit's him it looks like one fluid slash I guess.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:35 pm EST

I still have not seen a slash on that play. NHL refs are pathetic.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:34 pm EST

STAAL made a great defensive play, Claesson took a bad penalty.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:34 pm EST

How was that a slash??? You cant pop a guys stick one handed?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:34 pm EST

Another bull shit call...

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:32 pm EST

Death by penalties

rangerlou


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:24 pm EST

At the game..Can someone plaster Barzal through the boards

rangerlou


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:23 pm EST

ZUCC was trying to get to the puck. He never "literally" held Barzal.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:17 pm EST

Typical ranger power play… Lots of passing… No shots on goal

RF73


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:17 pm EST

My God they suck HUGE!!

RF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:17 pm EST

The Rangers of course, reluctant to shoot on the PP (or at all) and poor or no puck support....don't get very far with that....and we know they can do it, they had a stretch there for a bit with 26% on the PP.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:16 pm EST

Newsflash: This PP blows chunks.

Bob


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:16 pm EST

Another worthless PP. These guys need to be ready for GEO's stick. He'll shoot the puck up the ice instead of always making you come back to him on the PP.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:14 pm EST

Yeah...if that call went against the Rangers I would not be happy with it...that was a battle in front, and one guy went down, I hate how that is automatically a penalty in todays game it seems....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 1:12 pm EST

Z-Bad saved a goal there, we already need to wake up. Nice job SKJEI(SARCASM).

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 12:45 pm EST

If the NYR really want to rid themselves of SHATTENKIRK they need to put him back on the #1 PP to bulk up his numbers and up his trade value.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 12:42 pm EST

Buchnevich had some truly amazing shots on goal the other night and he's still on the 4th line? Meh.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 12:40 pm EST

#NYR in warmups: ....Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello.... Chytil-Strome-Fast.... Vesey-Howden-Namestnikov.... McLeod-Nieves-Buchnevich.... Skjei-McQuaid.... Staal-DeAngelo.... Claesson-Shattenkirk.... Georgiev

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 12:38 pm EST

MC.... In regard to PANARIN. Lots of whispers lately that he's close to signing an extension with the BJ's. Add to it that he originally set a deadline back in September that he didn't want to cross and didn't want to talk contract and only wanted to focus on the season. Well we crossed that deadline a long time ago and they're still talking. Add to that, that he's doing a ton of community outreach lately and that the BJ's reportedly haven't even thought about moving him at all yet. Circumstantial? Yes, but when you add all of the circumstantial evidence up, it does give one pause. Anyway, I hope you're right and he does still go to FA.... In regard to Bobrovsky: It had been reported before whatever the issue was that happened with Bobo lately, that their plans were to let him go. IE. trade him by the deadline and not re-sign him. Clearly, now that is a certainty.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 12:09 pm EST

Thanks Pal appreciate

kis


Sat Jan 12 2019 11:54 am EST

apparently Pionk was injured spinning around looking for what to do on the game winner the other day....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 12 2019 11:49 am EST

We are at the Game.. Lundqvist out Georgie in Pionk out DeAngelo in

rangerlou


Sat Jan 12 2019 11:44 am EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY ..... Tony DeAngelo returns to the lineup today as Neal Pionk sits with a lower-body issue. Alexandar Georgiev gets the start in goal. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 12 2019 10:41 am EST

Some wonderful Rick Nash goals - top 10. Only 1 as a Ranger but number 2 and this was vintage Nash (even though it was a pass, not a goal) in that he took it hard to the net through defenders to set up the play. That's the stuff that disappeared from his game once the concussions came. https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/top-10-rick-nash-career-highlights/

rF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 9:01 am EST

John Tortorella coached the BJs the other night to his 600th win, setting an American record for the number of NHL wins for a head coach. He's a lightening rod of controversy at times and generates a lot of hatred, especially in here, but the man can coach. You don't get 600 coaching wins unless you can.

rF4l


Sat Jan 12 2019 8:23 am EST

I respect your opinion Kis but I still like RUFF. I remember him being Roger Nielsen’s assistant. I also like that he had Jeep as his assistant for many years. I’m all in on sending HOWDEN & CHYTIL down. Bring up BELESKEY & FOGARTY and start the trades ASAP! I love the NY Ranger organeyezation but I don’t really like this squad very much. I hope NYR Mgmt. knows what they’re doing.

Pal17


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:40 pm EST

Chris Dreary, OMG, i disliked his interviews. Another guy who killed the Rangers for years while he was on another team then he joined them and still killed them with his shitty play! What a boring overpaid "captain"! Then we got another robot captain McD. I hope Hughes has a personality!!!!!

MC


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:05 pm EST

McD looked like he was going to pop a blood vessel when he was interviewed. He just had canned answers. Chris Krieder is at least thought out in his answers. Meanwhile, I watched McD interviewed in TB a bit ago and he is enjoying his best season in years. All smiles down south right now. As for FAST. He is probably gonna get you a second and he would be a guy that every playoff team in the NHL would like to have in their bottom-6. Just can’t have enough guys like him.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:01 pm EST

About a week or two ago I brought up Howden's struggles and ineffectiveness and, not buying the blame being placed on linemates like is often done for kids on here, that he should, at the least ,sit for a game or two..It hasnt got any better..and it is still well deserved Maybe even a stint in Hartford).but i also admit that the alternatives also suck..But.. just like he turned the Rangers into a laughingstock last year,this is all by GORDO's hand and i just hope to god he has a way of implementing and executing a plan (not just saying we're rebuildong.) of bringing the Rangers back (timeline any time between 3 and 37 years) which is not yet clear to me.........As for FAST, I think he will have value to any CUP contender but think he is more valuable to have around to teach the kids by example how to play thw game...

Hospo


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:53 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo ..... Keane has registered 28 points (six goals, 22 assists) and a +15 rating in 36 OHL games with Barrie and London this season. He is one of three OHL defensemen who have recorded at least 25 points and a +15 rating or better thus far in 2018-19. #NYR

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:44 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Joey Keane tallied an assist and posted a plus-one rating tonight. He has registered a point in each of the seven games he has played since joining the London Knights (two goals, six assists).... #NYR prospect Morgan Barron tallied two assists, led all skaters with 8 SOG, and posted a +2 rating in Cornell's win tonight. Barron extended his assist/point streak to four games (1 G, 5 A). He has recorded 13 points (6 G, 7 A), a +5 rating, and 65 SOG in 14 games this season.... #NYR prospect Ville Meskanen registered a goal in the Wolf Pack's game tonight. He has tallied a point in eight of the last 11 games (three goals, seven assists over the span), and he is tied for seventh among AHL rookies in points this season (25; nine goals, 16 assists).

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:36 pm EST

Drury drove me nuts with his head shakes.

NYStranger


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:33 pm EST

Jesper Fast, that is an interesting one since nearly everyone likes this guy. I would say a second rounder at best. He has 7 goals and I think 34 in his career, and is part of that great penalty kill!!! Remember how we over value all of our current guys? Would teams pay more for him then the almost-done Zuch? I wonder since most teams at the deadline aren't typically looking to add defensive forwards. Remember Fast might be a "first liner" on this brutal team, but he is no more than a third liner on a good team so a second or third rounder would be my guess if he got traded on his own but he might be an interesting piece as part of a package deal. Since the season is over, the trade deadline and the draft can't come soon enough!

MC


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:32 pm EST

Just think someday they will just play virtual hockey and the only injuries to worry about is sprained thumbs. 8^€

NYStranger


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:17 pm EST

But the worst had to be Ryan McDonagh with his fuckin "need to get more pucks to the net" and "compete level" and the other stupid garbage he would regurgitate every goddamn game

tradestar28


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:14 pm EST

The one thing I liked most about Rick Nash was his way with the media....He was soft spoken and always sounded sincere especially during tough loses. When I heard Marc Staal and Henrik answer questions after last nights loss vs Iceholes....I was sitting there like, "shut the fuck up you dummies".....

tradestar28


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:21 pm EST

Stevie: actually there is more to it. On top of severity there is accumulation. Some guys go thru their careers never getting KTFO yet have developed symptoms later in life. It’s that whole head hitting the inside of the skull thing. Death by a thousand cuts. Scary stuff. But as I said, for every person who gets their head smashed in and ends up with CTE, there is another one lacing up their skates and ready to go. I think it’s The machismo in hockey that holds things back. Yeah guys are all wearing shields now but the helmet itself is pretty much garbage and the chin strap is a joke. Half the guys wear the strap so loose it’s hanging off the back of their head half the time. I think it’s only a matter of time before better helmets come in. It’ll be like visors. First only a few wore it (especially those with an eye injury) till now it’s standard. Everyone is just waiting for the first players to decide to wear a cage or full shield. Then helmet technology will take big leaps.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:29 pm EST

So that’s how you graduated to kindergarten

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:28 pm EST

Evets: I would bet that every team headed to the post season would want to find a place not heir roster for him. He is such a flexible player. Can add offense if you need him to, can play a shut down role, PP, PK, OT doesnt matter. Its hard to figure a return, he is so much more than his stat line, but I would bet a 2nd and a decent prospect would be the starting point for the Rangers...may be able o get a team that hope to win it all to give up more, lets say Fast and a 2nd for a prospect and a first. I imagine a team going for the cup isn't overly concerned about a 31st overall pick if they can get the parts and pieces to put them over the top and win. But again, I dont know how to value guys like Fast, they seem like they are not so valuable, but you never want to see them off your team, so they must be....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:21 pm EST

I wonder what the market would be for Jesper Fast at the deadline and I wonder what the return would be...

evets1980


Fri Jan 11 2019 6:53 pm EST

ProfessorLegs: "Than it becomes a matter of grades!?!" In nursery school today we learned the difference between the usage of "then and than."

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:55 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Martin St.Louis ‏Verified account @mstlouis_26 37m37 minutes ago Congrats to Rick Nash on a great career. Was fortunate to play with him on @HockeyCanada and @NYRangers. True pro and great teammate. Enjoy what’s next with your family Nasher. #200feetplayer

stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:45 pm EST

E I think almost anyone who has gotten a hit to the head, especially Irving moofman, had a concussion. Than it becomes a matter of grades , he’s in kindergarten and was left back , which increase with every occurrence. Most sports just make many more vulnerable. Warning, Playing may be hazardous to your health. Boxing is probably the most likely.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:33 pm EST

Perhaps a "Go Fund Me" effort for the Off Topic Wall!?!

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:25 pm EST

BUILD (off) THE WALL !

stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:19 pm EST

E: IMO, No need to be so sensitive... LeftyLegs over here tore down the "Other Wall" and is pissed he can't get some RFC Funding to Rebuild the Muther! .... Legs, Go Fish!

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:09 pm EST

My apologies to all. I wasn’t trying to make a political snipe. No need to go down that road. My point was simply that it’s easier to deny something then to acknowledge it because the next step requires asking the question about how to mitigate it. And you cannot really. It’s a game of contact and contact means head injuries. Who wants to go down that road?

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 5:08 pm EST

Chris Nichols ‏ @NicholsOnHockey Following Following @NicholsOnHockey More LeBrun: "I believe the asking price right now would be a first-round pick and a prospect for Ferland." #Canes 1050

RDW


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:52 pm EST

Take it to the other wall

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:48 pm EST

Nick: I hear you, I haven't followed football in like 25 years outside of the superbowl every now & again, just coincidental that they ran this article while we're covering concussions on This Wall....

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:36 pm EST

They’ve even taken heading the soccer ball out for the younger girls out here. I’ve taken my fair share of lumps that would likely fall under concussion protocol. In my opinion the hockey helmet is WOEFULLY inadequate to protect players. I look at concussions the way I look at climate change. To deny it avoids a deeper and uglier conversation that you just don’t want to have. So Bettman just downplays the obvious. Truth is that there is no real way to mitigate head trauma. It’s just part of it. It’s a dangerous game. And some will pay a heavy price for playing it down the road. And they’ll never be a shortage of guys ready to lace them up.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:35 pm EST

Bob I was just thinking about the Messier helmet thing and wondering what became of it. And MF ... Brady is an asshole on multiple levels, not all of them football related ...

Nick


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:22 pm EST

small trades starting to trickle in....doubt GMs were having talks for these little deals, so that may mean these are deals born from failed larger ones or side deals that came about during bigger talks

Wildcard


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:18 pm EST

Bob...mu boys didn't play at the levels your has/does but rep hickey was sometimes vicious. Both thankfully quit at 14/15 and went back to houseleague for their final 2 years of organized youth hockey. Now it's recreational with no hitting.

RF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 4:02 pm EST

Interesting stuff about football helmets. I recall the Messier Project helmets that were supposed to address head protection in hockey. Bauer bought that company. I guess that the NHL under Emperor Bettman always causes me to be suspicious. The NHL has flatly denied the link between concussions and brain injury to avoid being held accountable for their obvious lack of accountability for head injuries. Has there been a true partnership with equipment manufacturers to protect the leads of hockey players? I have not seen it. For me, who has a kid that played in lower level US juniors and is now playing in college, I make him get a new helmet each year to prevent the little protection there is from being compromised. But mostly, he has to look after himself because as bad as the NHL is enforcing head contact, the other leagues are as bad or worse.

Bob


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:53 pm EST

Front page of the NY Post: https://nypost.com/2019/01/11/ex-teammate-rips-tom-brady-for-brain-comment-made-me-throw-up-in-mouth/

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:52 pm EST

Rhet- I'm betting he wants out or he never would have the earlier comments. He and Bobo are out of there.

MC


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:46 pm EST

Rhet: Well then not a moment too soon. The new equipment (helmet) advances must be implemented & mandatory for the lower levels of both sports... They may need some "rule changes" too...

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:40 pm EST

MC: There was quite a bit of rumbling this AM that it appeared he was going to remain a jacket....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:31 pm EST

Rhet- Where do you get that about possibly Panarin re-signing with Jackets. Nothing I have heard or read suggests that. He will talk with team around all star break but I think if he wanted to stay there he would have already been in talks with them.

MC


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:25 pm EST

Concussions have forever and horribly changed the game of Hockey. Best of luck to RICK NASH. Hopefully, he fully recovers from the concussion symptoms soon, so he can live out the rest of his life like a normal person. The guy always played with a lot of heart and really loved playing in NY ....MF... I've brought this up before, but the long term concussion studies the've done in regard to football are not good at all. A lot of guys have multiple concussions even before they get to the NFL. Others before the even get out of High School. I'm sure once they do a similar study on concussions in Hockey they will find some similar results.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:17 pm EST

Rhet: think the BOBROVSKY situation motivates the CBJ's to resign PANARIN?

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:14 pm EST

MF... it's looking more and more like PANARIN will be re-signing with the Blue Jackets. There's a good chance he doesn't even make it to Free Agency.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 11 2019 3:13 pm EST

Most if not all of us here hate head injuries..... I don't follow Football but noticed some changes in today's helmets. One of the things that irks me is when a player Does Not wear the chin strap close to the underside of the Jaw.... Maybe some of you guys that have played or play the game can explain to the rest of us, "why doesn't the plastic and padding extend further down the face in front of the ear? In other words cover the sideburns and the Jaw-hinge........ Here's what Riddell Sports has to say on about the new technology in today's Football Helmet: The Riddell SpeedFlex Adult Football Helmet has arrived and has set the standard for helmet technology. Designed with breakthrough advancements in protective elements, the Adult Speed Flex Helmet exceeds the expected safety measures demanded by top notch football players and parents. Featuring technological advancements specifically created to absorb all of the hits experienced on the gridiron, Riddell has made yet another advancement in the football helmet industry. Inside the helmet, the speed flex consists of a composite energy management system that is designed to keep the interior padding in place and reduce the sudden movement of the head upon impact. A detachable moisture resistant liner provides maximum comfort and sweat absorption. The ratchet loc system in the chin strap along with the flex liner and true curve liner system allow for a custom fit every time you put your Speedflex helmet on regardless of your head shape. Combine the interior technology with the flex system that is engineered in the shell and face mask to reduce the impact force transfer to the player. Finally, the occipital lock system in the rear of the helmet cradles the occipital lobe in the back of the head improving the security and fit. The elite level of style and protection makes the Riddell SpeedFlex football helmet a revolutionary product in today’s market and a must have for any serious football player!

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:47 pm EST

not bruin bench...bruin net.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:46 pm EST

Bob....yes that was the first concussion he had as a Ranger. He took 2 shots that game - an elbow to the head from Lucic and then Adam McQuaid drilled him into the glass behind the Bruin bench - his head bounced off the glass. I recall watching that game and being pissed because no penalties. He missed a stretch of games after that. He got his 3rd concussion (and 2nd of that season) in SJ when Brad Stuart bounced his head into the glass.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:41 pm EST

RF4L—Don’t forget the Lucic head shot into the glass in Boston on NASH. That one was not penalized and none of the head shots he took resulted in suspensions that I know of. I have not researched that though.

Bob


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:37 pm EST

Somebody beat us to Paul Carey? Gorton must be asleep.

Bob


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:37 pm EST

Sad to see Nash go out. He was the kind of player that was so good defensively and skated so well that even after his offense left the building he could’ve played up to near 40. I just hate the idea of guys getting forced out because head injury. After seeing what it did to the likes of Kariya, and the HBO coverage of Pronger who spent over a year not even being able to leave his home? You just don’t want to see it end like that. Too many career ending head injuries. Ultimately, its gonna change. My snowboard helmet has better padding then my hockey brain bucket.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:32 pm EST

Ottawa Senators ‏ Verified account @Senators .... Trade: #Sens acquire defenceman Cody Goloubef from Boston in exchange for forward Paul Carey: https://ottsens.com/2spRVco

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:16 pm EST

Ladies & Gents some #'s: The Cap is expected to be set at $83 million.... We have $59.5 million committed to salaries.... STONE / DUCHENE / PANARIN will cost approx $8mill per year "each" ..... Trading NAMESTNIKOV & SMITH pays for any one of those guys, and we still have $23.5 million to work with.....

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:08 pm EST

http://www.tsn.ca/countdown-to-tradecentre-teams-salivating-for-stone-1.1239115

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 2:04 pm EST

Kis: How about having a winning percentage just ahead of Quinville in the post season and a regular season one better than Hartley and Crawford and Keenan? I think that puts him in the good coach category and likely why he has been behind the bench for so many games. I am not a huge fan of his, I think the game has changed and he has not, but he is one of the better coaches to have been behind the bench in the NHL...and by that I mean top 50...there have been a lot of NHL coaches....some newer ones will pass him by at some point likely but they haven't proven the longevity yet.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:59 pm EST

Puck: that’s why the NHL has become a successful ground for small players. Guardrau, Panarin etc... can survive on the ice with powerful base. I still covet big, fast, mean hockey players.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:52 pm EST

Again TD. What strategy DO you find viable? What ever the eff we have been seeing for 25 years has not worked. Building a team just good enough to make the playoffs IS the loser mentality, NOT tanking to get better draft picks or going all in for a proper rebuild. THAT is what a true fan will be willing to put up with as long as there is a proper end game. No. No rebuild should be allowed to be open ended, but 2 or 3 years has to be a reasonable number.

NYStranger


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:45 pm EST

RF: If Messier was on the ice, Bogosian's teeth would have been embedded in the shaft of Messiers stick..... When this crop of Rangers learn that, the opposition will play / hit clean...

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:45 pm EST

Rf4l I don’t like driving in a car with a driver who crashed the last time I drove with them.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:43 pm EST

The nyr are improving over the last 2 games, but they are still in the moofman tunnel with a light up ahead that could be a train wreck coming or a winning streak.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:41 pm EST

stevie: FWIW, I'm still undecided about Gorton and IMO, it's too early to draw definitive conclusions on his effectiveness. Rebuilds don't happen over night. I want to see what he does at this deadline and how the June draft goes, at least. I do understand your consternation with Sather still in the picture. There's so little information offered by Ranger management since Sather went into hiding 10+ years ago (after becoming the laughing stock of hockey due to his bumbling and inane handling of the Rangers in the early 2000s when he spent like a drunken sailor and ended up with the equivalent of a venereal disease as a result). GMs and sometimes coaches are often interviewed on sports radio here in Canada from not just the Canadian teams but teams all across the league. Never Sather and now Gorton. These dudes are more guarded when it comes to the press than the British monarchy. How much is Sather involved in these decisions? Yeah, the Rangers had a nice run under him for a few years but when you consider he's been on the job for nearly 30 years and what's been accomplished, there's not a lot to be proud of. As I've said frequently his single biggest achievement is getting a job for life declaration from the owner. Everything else pales in comparison. If he's still making critical decisions then I suspect this rebuild will not be the triumph folks are hoping for. But, we just don't know. All we can do is watch, wait and hope!

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:39 pm EST

Irving moofman want to buy a bridge too ? Or a bridge to nowhere

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:38 pm EST

Puck: I don’t know if Shatty is coming back in terms of anything real. The last two games though he seems to be more engaged and more willing to be creative with the puck.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:35 pm EST

Irving moofman you have tunnel vision

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:32 pm EST

There are guys out there: Is the 38 y/o Cam Ward or the 36 y/o Antoinne Vermette skating anywhere? The point is that there are "place-holders" as we reshape the roster

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:31 pm EST

Bob: Well said. Also, the Rangers during the AV watch did nothing to protect their own players. I cannot recall if Bogosian got penalized for his Nash mugging but I do recall not a single Ranger did anything in response. As per usual. The Rangers are sucking huge right now but at least that stupid and inexplicable strategy/philosophy/whatever the phuck you wanna call it is gone from their game. I am not trying to say Nash wouldn't have been mugged and/or concussed but at least Bogosian would have got some retribution paid to him. Asshole.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:29 pm EST

PhilosophyLegs: I don't care if he turned the damn thing into a tunnel as long as the outcome was positive......

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:22 pm EST

Namestnikov and Buch need to spend the summer training with Marty St. Louis...

RDW


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:21 pm EST

Agree with the Nash sentiment. Seemed like a real good guy and teammate. I think the effort, as much as his body/mind allowed, was there. He was good Ranger. I wish him well. If only he potted 2 or 3 in the finals....dammit....

limbo


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:20 pm EST

E: You're right. I'm not sure if it's something that can be fixed but Buch seems to have such a high center of gravity. Zucc may be a hobbit but he's a mini-Jagr hobbit. When he has the puck, he's able to protect it without getting knocked over.

RDW


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:16 pm EST

One takeaway I noticed from last night's game was a confidence surge from Shatty that I haven't seen all season. He was aggressive in the first period-scored in the 2nd, was getting his shot thru & pinching at the right times. Good to finally see since his surgery he had sucked. That said-Staal sucked & has looked slow in the new year & pionk had his worst game.

puckyou


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:07 pm EST

Andrei: you could argue that it’s prudent to send the kids down but honestly, who is gonna play? But they could bounce a few guys up and down. I also think Hijak is gonna get tapped pretty soon to get a look.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:05 pm EST

Andrei lb is on board but the gm is not except for Anderson et al in Hartford. And that will probably change after another deadline purge. He has nhl journeymen that should be up instead.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:03 pm EST

Melville: one issue. Nemo and Buchnevich are not soft hockey players. Nemo is especially learning to be abrasive. Problem is, for all their competitive mindsets they just aren’t very strong guys and you can shield them off from the puck or muscle them around. By contrast, guys like MZA and Fast play low and wide and they are physically strong. They’re hard to knock around. They just bounce off you and keep going. And if you line them up they’ll submarine you. Buch and Nemo are wire frames. Buch in particular.

E


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:38 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 1h1 hour ago 1060 games played… 437 goals… 368 assists… 805 points… And most importantly, as fine a gentleman as we have known… Thank you Rick, for six great years with #NYR and a tremendous @NHL Career

stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:36 pm EST

Irving moofman heard about the great bridge builder and what he did once and what they then called him?

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:28 pm EST

Stevie: So Boston was desperate and Gorton saw the opportunity and seized (capitalized) on it.... That's a job well done

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:25 pm EST

Irving moofman Boston was desperate . You stick with fishpie, I’m not betting on him.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:09 pm EST

Stevie: Gorton is fine, look at the return he got for NASH at the deadline as RF just reiterated......... I'd be on the Phone with Colorado Joe (Sakic) offering HAYES & NAMESTNIKOV for that first round pick to gauge interest.... Namestnikov has upped his trade value big time, and can take a faceoff if needed.... Both these guys help fill the depth charts the AV's need now.... The point, "make a deal with Sakic!" .........

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:08 pm EST

Sad news about Rick Nash, but not surprising. We witnessed multiple head shots that he took, most of then not penalized by a league who refuses to be accountable for them. I believe that he was a good soldier and a good Ranger. I hope that, like some of the other players before him, he can get healthy and live a normal life with his family.

Bob


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:01 pm EST

Pal, having the 4th amount of victories only means you have been coaching g in the league for a long time. Doesn’t mean your a good coach. I am not a ruff fan. I don’t mind experience for a young coach, just not ruff.

Kis


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:50 am EST

Sorry but I don’t believe fishpie can successfully do the job that’s he’s made for himself. Especially with sather breathing down his neck. Both need to be gone to redo the Nyr correctly. They need to find a new gm and tell sather it it’s way past time for him to retire. Being stuck with the owner is more than enough to bear .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:46 am EST

Speaking of, "surgical" that is exactly what I was referring to last season in regard to "NOT" getting an additional 1st round pick & or drafting BOUCHARD.... Again: RHS D prospects were the Flavor of last years draft, a position that is more difficult to draft and be right on. BOUCHARD may not pan out, may get injured early in his career, but damn, you got to run enough candidates through the mill until you hit, and BOUCHARD was & is an above average candidate to stick around............ Upcoming draft: I hear the flavor is, "Center." .... Again: purge, purge, purge for as many draft picks and prospects as possible... "IF" we need to trade some prospects acquired to move up in the draft, trade them, "Bundle a package to move up in the first round.... """Acquire as many picks for next season as well, BY TRYING to Trade our picks for teams we anticipate will be at the bottom of the standings, BECAUSE if we draft well and sign 1,2, or 3 of the UFA's I mentioned, we should be well on our way up the standings, and that's why I'm suggesting that we attempt to swap our Organic picks for teams likely to shit the bed..... We may be able to pull this off by including players from our farm that we have the inside scoop on before the other GM's catch on. Yes, this all must be done with a "Surgical mindset" and we cannot afford to miss opportunities..............

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:27 am EST

here's how it feels..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwOfCgkyEj0

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:08 am EST

mf: Or someone's angry and lashing because his/her vehenment predictions for a PO fight and possible finish is proving to be rather wrong.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 11:00 am EST

Sure reads like Someone full of themselves .... ""Sucks to lose to the Isles, but again. You guys asked for it. Better get to enjoying it.""

mf


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:56 am EST

Finally LB is onboard on what I have being saying for a long time. Send kids down. Let them play major minutes and have fun. TD, it's not about enjoyment. Most can recall dark ages on late 90th and 2000 when the only goal was to make the playoffs. Lindros, Bure, Mess part 2, Holik, Gomez etc, all brought to make playoffs. I much rather watch this and know that we are on the right track with star prospects coming up, then watch team "going" for it year in, and year out.. if we get top 3 prospect next 2 years, we will be set for the next decade.

andrei


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:54 am EST

Prior to joining the Blueshirts, Ruff, 57, served as a Head Coach in the National Hockey League for each of the previous 19 seasons (1997-98 - 2016-17). In 1,493 career regular season games as an NHL Head Coach, Ruff has posted a 736-554-78-125 record (.561 points percentage). He ranks fourth among head coaches in NHL history in regular season games coached, only trailing Scotty Bowman, Al Arbour, and Joel Quenneville. I’m of the belief that it’s the players and not the coaches. For example the first goal in the Vegas game a few days ago. Vesey made it look like he was getting back to pick up his man but he really wasn’t skating very hard. There are a lot more examples besides this one. With a rookie coach a guy like Ruff makes sense to me.

Pal17


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:53 am EST

And it's because he's having troubles rehabbing from his last concussion that occurred as a Bruin. Just as we suspected a couple of years into his Ranger tenure, Nash had been concussed badly and adjusted his play to be primarily a perimeter player. He stopped taking the puck to the net with speed - shooting from the outside if/when he carried the puck into the offensive zone and was challenged by an opposing defenseman. His 42 goal season with the Rangers that occurred after 3 concussions (the 1st one happening during the lockout) was the only year he actually played like he did as a BJ and that style abruptly ended after Zach Bogosian pummelled him in front of the Sabre net and Nash missed a handful of games due to a mysterious 'neck issue'. Too bad because prior to those concussions he was a dynamic player. This to me is another sordid Ranger chapter of which there are too many to recite: He was acquired as a healthy asset yet managed to suffer his 1st concussion after being acquired but before he played a single game for the Rangers. He did reasonably well that year, scoring 21 goals in a lock-out shorten 44 game season. The following year he suffered 2 more concussions and played on the perimeter as a result - 26 goals in 65 games and then a measly 3 in 25 PO games. That putrid output helped seal the fate of the Rangers in the cup final - no offense. It was following year he came back re-energized and was indeed the Rick Nash of the BJ years. Until Bogosian brought an end to that. I find it incredible that Gorton was able to fetch from Boston what he did for Nash. A first, Lindgren and what is now Ryan Strome. Nash played 23 games for the Bruins and potted 6 goals. Yikes. I always liked the guy - I hope his symptoms clear up and he can go on with his life in a normal manner.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:49 am EST

To add insult to injury there was a huge Islander contingent there last night. Not sure if it could be heard on TV but there were several extremely loud "let's go Islanders" chants. I will be going to Brooklyn tomorrow to hopefully see them finally win in what may be the last time they ever play there.

ges999


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:31 am EST

Rick Nash formally retires.

RF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:10 am EST

In addition to not having a #1 D pair for the penalty kill, we are without Grabner, Nash and Stepan at the forward position....Fast is good at it but after him we are just throwing guys out there....And the faceoff performance last night was a joke....Both on the PP and PK....

PJ


Fri Jan 11 2019 10:07 am EST

Talking to Parangerfan during the game and said the same Larry brooks said. Told him it was time to send howden and Chytil down to Hartford. Let them have fun, dominate and have success. Confidence is just as much of an important factor and technique and tactical experience. This team is getting beat up to much every game. Confidence is at a low and I’m sure there is a poor mindset with some players. Human nature. Person I’d really like to see go is lindy ruff. Don’t know him but he must suck. Since he got here the rangers have sucked especially on D. Isn’t that his specialty. He sucked in Dallas had an ok run in buffalo but was forced out there as well. He needs to be gone from the ranger organization

Kis


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:23 am EST

And all the Islanders are is a PO bubble team.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:22 am EST

Rhet0ric - You say it's "more about short term pain now, for long term gains later. We've already tried the drafting mid-round pick-type players hoping it would work out." Now this, I find, as interesting in wake of last night's game...The Rangers last night had more of the Islanders' top 5 picks in the lineup than the Islanders themselves..With exception to BAILY(9th overall)ALL of the Isles' top players were drafted 15th overall and later: BARZAL - 17th, LEE - 126th, NELSON - 30th, EBERLE -22nd, POLUCK - 15th, MAYFILED - 34th, LEDDY - 16th...and so on and so forth. Now I'm not gonna hold the Isles up as a shining example of a team...and frankly, I find it laughable that some ARE actually saying this team is quote "for real." But I tell you what: They did OK drafting in the middle rounds. Needless to say, I don't find "short-term pain for longterm gain" a viable strategy.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:09 am EST

TD: Calling for it and enjoying aren't mutually inclusive. I strongly believe, as we've debated on here to point to silliness, that bottoming out is the best way to garner top end skill and it behooves the Rangers to do so. That doesn't mean I have to enjoy watching the debacle. I don't. It sucks. But sometimes that's life - there are times when you gotta endure the bad to get to the good. To me the bigger question is do the Rangers have the right braintrust to manage this enormous effort? Only time will tell.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:07 am EST

Stevielegs - Very true, re: Special teams. You're simply not going to win anything with a last place PK. Ditto, you're gonna lose a lot of games when your PP can't deliver on a 5-on-3. Might night make as much difference in the post-season, where the refs collectively swallow their whistles...but the regular season? Special teams are key. You're not going to win without them.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:05 am EST

RF4L - I frankly don't know why anyone would enjoy "their team" getting pounded game in and game out. And yet there are some here who keep calling for it. So there you go. Lose for Hughes. Tank. Blah blah blah. How does it feel? Probably not as good as y'all thought. For the record, I don't necessarily believe the management is panicking or seeing any reason to deviate from whatever plan they have...and I suspect the deadline deals will be a lot more surgical than some here think they'll be...but who cares? They're losing. And that's what y'all want. Own it.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:04 am EST

Rhet: I wonder if Gorton's still enjoying his mulled wine...

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:02 am EST

Rf4l I know your position, but rebuilders mostly want to rush kids to the nhl and looking for them to play 15-20 minutes a game. These kids cannot handle 82 games in the nhl . The real nyr problem is the brain rust and the owner keeping them around. Fishpie has already proven he’s not the guy . Him and the former gm are General masturbators playing cya .

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 9:00 am EST

Newfie_Ranger - STROME is a very good player. He's just four seasons removed from a 50-point year, and at 25, I can't imagine he's lost that much to his game...The Oilers thought enough of him to deal EBERLE...He could very well turn out to be a steal if they keep him...He certainly did seem to enjoy that goal against the Isles.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:59 am EST

TD: Who's enjoying this?

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:56 am EST

Sucks to lose to the Isles, but again. You guys asked for it. Better get to enjoying it.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:46 am EST

stevie: I don't disagree. Surely you know by now my feelings on rushing kids into the NHL. Erring on the side of caution is NEVER a wholly negative thing.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:37 am EST

PJ: LOLOL...

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:26 am EST

Melvillefred - Say what you will about the team, but if you're saying NAMESTNIKOV is "soft" then I have to assume you've missed the past 15-plus games or so. He's been one of the most physical Rangers out there, save for maybe iClod, who literally just runs into people the whole game.

tdchi


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:23 am EST

RF...I hit the wall a couple of times every game...

PJ


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:23 am EST

Rf4l the concept should be getting prospects and picks , and developing them in the ahl first. The nhl team should be filled with place holders until guys deserve being promoted to the nhl. Fishpie is the President of the clueless jackass club. He will create new Blackburns.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:23 am EST

The PK problem is simple....You don't have a legit number one D pairing....We get eaten alive by teams top PP unit....

PJ


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:22 am EST

PJ: I guess everyone's hit a wall.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:22 am EST

Lindy Ruff got hit in the head with a puck yesterday? Maybe it'll knock some defensive prowess into him!

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:20 am EST

The continual turnovers by young and old are hard to watch....The youngsters all seem to have hit a wall.... Then you have guys like Buch and Vesey who are just there....Don't accomplish much....

PJ


Fri Jan 11 2019 8:11 am EST

I concur with the notion of sending Howden and Chytil the Hartford. Are they developing much in this negative environment? Arguable, that's for sure.

rF4l


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:11 am EST

“So, for instance, if it might benefit Neal Pionk — whose botched coverage on Josh Bailey in front was co-conspiratorial in allowing the winner — to sit for a game or two, that should be the move even if his replacement (either Tony DeAngelo or Brendan Smith) might be struggling even more dramatically. Crafting an individualized program for Pionk, by far the most likely of the defensive trio to be here next year, is more important than getting a “W.” Beyond that, taking care of the future might mandate sending Filip Chytil, Brett Howden and Alex Georgiev to the AHL Wolf Pack to continue their apprenticeships rather than finishing the season in the NHL. It is about putting the kids in position to thrive, not merely survive. ”

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:09 am EST

“We can’t seem to find a way to win. We find a way to lose instead,” Zuccarello said. “It’s tough to swallow. I don’t know what to say, it’s not fun.”

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 7:08 am EST

“To me, we won the game on special teams,” Islanders coach Barry Trotz said

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 6:41 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/10/rangers-need-to-embrace-what-slide-has-made-painfully-obvious/

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 6:37 am EST

One of their main problems is scoring, they are passing pansies.

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 11 2019 6:35 am EST

Hospo; Do you think DQ is doing a crappy job (i do, and im concerned). Just dont mention it too much for another year or two.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 11 2019 1:31 am EST

I find it pretty funny that everybody has their own scapegoats for what has become a shitshow..But, that's what happens when from the coach on down they all suckare all sucking and underperforming.....Unfortunately, the hockey is not very funny nor fun to watch..Losing is one thing, but boring, soft and stupid is something else all together..

Hospo


Fri Jan 11 2019 12:08 am EST

Why on earth Pionk turned away like that. Ugh. The Islanders did have the better goalie tonight and the best player on the ice was Barzal.

Bob


Thu Jan 10 2019 11:10 pm EST

Winner on Pionk...Both he and Staal sucked tonight....Hank certainly didn't have a good game....Fast best Ranger out there....Great third period but mentally this team is hurting....

PJ


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:45 pm EST

I thought the game winner was on Zuccarello, who gave the puck away in the neutral zone leading to the rush.

Bob


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:44 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers 2m2 minutes ago More "I was really proud about the way we played." Hear from #NYR Coach Quinn following tonight's loss to the Islanders.... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1083569585620684801

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:41 pm EST

Rhet: I dont see anyone saying its not on Hank at all...just not that goal in the 3rd, and that there is equal if not more blame tonight on the offensive game, they had a 55 second 5 on 3 and did squat with it....over 2 min of PP time toal right through there and didnt get one put in the net, and didnt force the inlanders to play a top end PK even. It would be one thing if they were robbed a bunch of times by the guy in net or the PK was making amazing plays, but the Ranger made it easy on them. There have been nights of late that you could really put it on Hank and the D, but Hank was not good....tonight? Thats a tough one.....he wasn't perfect, but damn, why should he have to be...and the winner was not his fault at all...jsut seems like an odd game to pick him out for blame....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:35 pm EST

Yet another in the last-two-minutes. I keep flashing back to the Ottawa series in 2017 ... incredible. Oh well. I've said before we had a good run 2012-17. But now this. I guess this particular Dark Age will at least not feature the 3-4 dozen decomposing stiffs (hat tip to Hospo for the adjective) we saw 1997-2005. Well, except for Hank (threw that in gratuitously).

Nick


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:34 pm EST

God forbid HANK ever take his fair share of the blame for a loss. The teflon goalie.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:18 pm EST

Stevie: Tat was clearly big miss for the Rangers tonight. The PP was not able to take advantage. A clear sign of a struggling team that isn't very confident.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:17 pm EST

So I finally found a service in Milford PA so I can watch my beloved Rangers......Fubo.......maybe this was a mistake!! What I see is the softest Ranger team since the days of Dale Rolfe!!!! We need to get rid of Zuch.....put him out of his misery since he clearly is focused on being moved. Find homes for Buchnevich and Namestnikov........good god those guys with all that skill are the softest players all time. On D Pionk, stays, everyone else should be in play for a trade. Not sold on Georgiev I think he sucks.....and Hank is basically our best option but done. I would be optimistic with this grass roots rebuild but you still have Dolan as the Owner and the Bungler from Banf as the President.....we’re coming up on 25 years since our last Cup which is about as embarrassing as it gets.

Melvillefred


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:16 pm EST

it will be lost in this, but the Rangers came out in the 3rd period and play very good hockey in the areas that they have been really struggling as of late. They controlled the pace, controlled the puck, kept the islanders to the outside and kept them 1 and done in the defensive zone. There was a bad mistake by Pionk and the puck went in the net, but that doesnt take away the 19:30 seconds of the rest of the period that they played well. I am not saying its a moral victory or anything like that, but it shows what they are capable of and its something to build on and for DQ to teach with especially for the younger player and the team can be a little more confident in their ability to play against a team that is better than they are. They just dont have the depth to compete and the top end players to compete right now, but it doesnt mean they didnt play a good third....and a wildly better period then they have played in what....5 games or so?

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:13 pm EST

You win by scoring 1 more than you give up . 5-3 pp can’t score end of story

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:12 pm EST

John Shannon ‏ Verified account @JSportsnet .... John Tortorella is the first American-born coach to have 600 wins.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:10 pm EST

Rangers deserved better. A typical loss by an incomplete team. Oh well do we now have the 8th pick?

Jake0104


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:08 pm EST

Rhet Howden cant buy one either...the other night he had a ton oaf chances it seemed like. Tonight he was much more quiet....but those 3 younger guys are struggling right now.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:06 pm EST

WILD... Was I really blaming that goal on HANK? That said, he was not blameless tonight either.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:59 pm EST

Remember the days when we held a team to just 20 shots on goal and we would be bitching because we blew the shutout? I miss those days.... BTW, BUCH and CHYTIL can't buy a damn goal.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:57 pm EST

There isn't a Goalie in the world that would have made that save...well not on purpose at least, maybe just throwing themselves across 10 times, the puck hits something 2 times....but that puck goes in 80% of the time with anyone in net....thats why as an offense you try to make that play, because if the pass gets through, and the shooter gets his stick free and hits the net, its going to go in much more often than not. If Pionk had tied up the stick, even a little, it slows the shot down and lets hank get across in time to get set a bit. That goal is on Pionk...heck you cant really even fault Staal...he effectively pushed the guy with the puck into the corner way to the outside taking away all but that pass that Pionk should have been able to defend against anything happening with....and for the most part this year Pionk has been very good about tying up sticks and not allowing players to get shots. He dint get physical with guys in front and around the net and knock them off the puck before they can shoot, but his game isn't built that way, he has a quick stick and he is strong on his stick and takes away their ability to do anything with theirs neutralizing the player....just not tonight....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:54 pm EST

You're right, I don't know what I was thinking. The NYR held the Islanders to a paltry 20 SOG. If only we could have held them to maybe 15 or 10 SOG, maybe then HANK would have only given up 3 goals and we could've gotten the tie.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:52 pm EST

Newfie: His game is up and down lately...not just down down down. For instance, the 4 game prior ti this one he was with Staal not out for many of the 5 on 5 goals against....and in a couple of the games he was one of the stronger D for the Rangers dispiriting plays, keeping lanes and players covered...chances were not coming through him but through other guys on the ice. Tonight it was through him....he was the one that wasnt doing the right things...he will bounce back, he always has.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:49 pm EST

Rhet please give it a break . Hanky is on the tank team .... they should have scored more than 3 goals instead of always depending on hanky to save their asses .

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:45 pm EST

Pionk's play is going down ,down ,down...….something about Strome though,seems to play better with better guys and when given more responsibility ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:44 pm EST

PIONK may have had worse games, but none come to mind. That was pretty bad. HANK really did owe the team an amazing save there though : ...one shot all period.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:43 pm EST

Rhet yes I did .... it’s all hanky’s fault? ... Pionk sucked tonight...

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:40 pm EST

Pionks fault !

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:39 pm EST

Stevie... Really? Did you watch the replay?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

One shot on goal in the entire third period.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

Typical

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:38 pm EST

Pionk pissed the bed

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:35 pm EST

You know what...I forgot how late Zubov was drafted....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:33 pm EST

If you missed the FAST goal, here it is from every angle.... https://twitter.com/MSGNetworks/status/1083552105263218688

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:31 pm EST

Lundqvist is I think obviously the best draft selection in my lifetime by the Rangers...I mean he was a 7th rounders and from everything out there the scouts thought he would be an NHL started at that time and thats why they took him and thought he woudlnt be there that late....anyway, easily the best draft choice since he is a HOF level guy and he was selected so late. Fast however might be the second best...he was what a 6th rounder and he is just so involved in every part of the game. he isn't flashy or the most skilled guy, but he is such a big part of the team...there are few players that you can point to and say they were better picks at the spot they were selected...I mean there is an agent for Haglin and Callahan as well I guess....but Fast has to be up there among the best picks at the place selected...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:27 pm EST

Now thats crashing the net by Names

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:25 pm EST

SO CLOSE.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:22 pm EST

Rhet...yes cuz if Nob for Life had the guts and fortitude to do the right thing 10 years ago and JT was drafted as a result things would be soooo different for the Rangers.

RF4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:21 pm EST

That was a set play there by PIONK and FAST.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:21 pm EST

McLeod popped the linesman there....mistakenly it seems like...but man, I got to give it to the zebras being in that mess all the time...I know what its like without a helmet with criminals and it sucks...couldnt imagine doing it when guys do it for a living like the fighters in the the NHL...has to be so much worse than some street thugs.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:17 pm EST

That was a "goal scorers goal" there for Fast...one heck of a a display of hand eye coordination....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:17 pm EST

ONE HECK OF AN AMAZING GOAL.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:17 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: Sorry...but there is doing it by thinking about it and doing it by instinct...when you have to think about it you are not fast enough at the NHL level....or top level of any sport. Players talk about it all the time. It is not east to change what you have been doing for years....there tis no switch to flip. I always find it funny that be a professional means that normal human things dont matter anymore. The shooting thing is not ignoring the coach, its natural for some guys to shoot, some guys to look for the pass to make the play....its almost automatic for them...every team has a guy or few that struggle to do what the coaches want in that way. Again its because things happen so fast they are passing before their brain even catches up with the fact that they have a shooting lane. It needs to be worked on and worked on and worked on so that they shoot before their brain notices the passing lane.....its mental conditioning, and it doesn't happen overnight....and under stress you will see player revert to their natural actions...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:16 pm EST

QUICKIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:12 pm EST

5-3 5-4 no goal pp ... tale of 1 city

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:10 pm EST

The NYR could learn something from the ISLES diamond on the PK.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:07 pm EST

Wild: im sure most here have played the game in one way or another. Its not hard to change the style or way in which you play. These guya are professionals for crying out loud. Shoot the puck and get your ass to the net ! Again, this is on DQ to make happen. Otherwise you have to say they are ignoring him.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:05 pm EST

Apparently one guy is holding the binoculars for the other.... per Cam Kerry ‏ @camkerry7 .... Two New York Rangers scouts are in attendance at tonight’s #NHLBruins game

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:03 pm EST

RF4L... You're sorry he wasn't a NYR when he left us for TO? :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:02 pm EST

I really don't get all the PIONK hate by what seems like half the fan base. I mean I get the GEO hate more, because anyone not named HANK playing in goal is sacrilege.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:01 pm EST

Speaking of Islanders...JT 2 goals tonight giving him 29 so far 2 behind OV for the lead. His highest total previously is 38. What an incredible hockey player. Too bad Nob for Life refused to bottom out 10 years ago - he coulda and shoulda been a Ranger.

RF4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:49 pm EST

The Rangers are rebuilding. The Islanders have been rebuilding since the 80’s. Maybe they can give Gorton some tips and advice.

Bob


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:48 pm EST

Have you ever noticed (and I can't prove this stat,but….) when Hank plays the puck on his strong side to the boards/glass , it goes to the opposition 99.99999% of the time. Something I took notice of ,a long time ago and it hasn't changed .

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:44 pm EST

Bob when they decided to lead the league in pp goals against.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:31 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: I don't know if its just not listening vs not getting how to do it naturally...its not instinctual, and that is partly who is onto e roster and adjusting from previous coaches....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:28 pm EST

Put the 100 year old guy on some skates and put him in the game... He has more heart..... This team is unwatchable

tradestar28


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:25 pm EST

My God NJ Devils suck.

RF4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:25 pm EST

Wild; Well i guess their are not listening to the coach

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:22 pm EST

When did the Rangers decide that killing penalties was no longer an important part of the game?

Bob


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:21 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: it can be at times...when they really play the style DQ wants...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:16 pm EST

No pressure whatsoever. Leave points wide open. Question. Is this team even remotely hard to play against ?

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:15 pm EST

So the 4 games before today...that really terrible stretch, Staal Pionk was on for 4 even strength goals against....thats with the most ice time against top lines.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:13 pm EST

Staal-Pionk are awful.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:10 pm EST

Great explanation of why +/- sucks...CORSI can fall into that as well...a team takes a shot as you step on the ice you get a negative CORSI stat....its why stats dont tell you what a player is or isn't....need to watch the "tape"

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 8:01 pm EST

I reality Pionk is have a "rookie game" tonight....he hasn't had as many as you would expect such a young guy getting such big minutes...just too bad its happening against the Islanders....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:59 pm EST

Stepunmytoe, What did you say about the future Hall-a-fame'r Pionk? No, it can't be, he is great!! :-) You must not be watching games..

andrei


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:57 pm EST

Good lord....a 100 year old man makes me feel like I am lazy...........what a guy....I hope I can even see 100 let alone be working out LOL

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:51 pm EST

http://bleacherreport.com/post/nhl/e2f93a7c-e42d-4157-9a8a-1e0dbb0229d9

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:50 pm EST

The great "King" looks like shit again.

MC


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:43 pm EST

McLeod was lucky not to be called for the cross check to open up the game. I think the refs blew that call there, but it led to a PP for us so it's nice to have something go in our favor for a change.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:40 pm EST

The passing nyr no sog for 9 minutes wafj

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:38 pm EST

Puck hit ruff maybe it woke him up

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:35 pm EST

It was a good hit by iCloud on a fishstink and a dumb penalty by vesey feces

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:34 pm EST

Have

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:34 pm EST

It's time to take Henrik out back and put him down

tradestar28


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:34 pm EST

Pionk is horrendous so far. He must half half dozen giveaways

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:29 pm EST

Would luv to see Rangers go after barzal instead of jerkin off the icehole neathenderals

tradestar28


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:25 pm EST

Did either guy connect one punch? Outside of maybe the helmet?

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:23 pm EST

Strome giveth and Pionk taketh away

E


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:20 pm EST

The NYI broadcast team is more annoying than the NYR's.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:15 pm EST

What a save by HANK....Oops, nope, he was BURNED!

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:13 pm EST

WOW.... it's a POWERPLAY GOAL!!!! What a bang-bang!

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:13 pm EST

Stromvenge

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:11 pm EST

RHET: none of those guys sans Chris Krieder and Zib have shown that they are an impact player. And their upside is questionable. I need to see the bacon. Right now all I see are hopes and dreams. Like I keep adding Gorton needs some home runs. So far? He has a pretty non impactful run in the chair.

E


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:08 pm EST

WILD... I'm not trying to diminish Shestyorkin at all, just to temper our expectations as fans a bit.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:05 pm EST

Andrew Gross ‏ Verified account @AGrossNewsday .... #Isles starters: Lehner, Leddy-Boychuk, Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck.... #NYR starters: Lundqvist, Skjei, McQuaid, McLeod-NIeves-Fast

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 7:01 pm EST

Rhet: I dont know about how good his D is...I mean they are a team Torts would have loved from all reports...safe id death type. Every game there are highlights of him making saves on grade-A chances. Yes, ice size and defensive play will not be the same in the NHL....but he doesn't have some rock solid D in front of him ala Marty with the Devils when they would give up 8 shots on goal for him to get a shutout. I know his numbers won't translate, but I dont care how good the D is, who gets almost 50% shutouts? That D would have to be the best, and again from reports, the team in front of him kind of forgets about him trying to score at times allowing those chances that we see highlights of.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:55 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Igor Shesterkin has posted an 18-3-1 record, along with a 1.23 GAA, a .947 SV%, and 8 SO in 22 KHL appearances this season. Since the start of the 2016-17 season, Shesterkin has posted a 73-9-4 record, along with a 1.55 GAA, a .938 SV%, and 23 SO in 89 KHL appearances. #NYR ....WILD... We have to temper our enthusiasm just a bit. He has a pretty solid defense in front of him which he certainly wont have here. Also, I'm sure the fanbase will stay positive if he got off to a slow start next season :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:44 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 7m7 minutes ago #Isles in warmups (Dal Colle out for Slugger Johnston): Lee-Nelson-Eberle Beauvillier-Barzal-Bailey Johnston-Filppula-Komarov Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck Leddy-Boychuk Pelech-Pulock Toews-Mayfield Lehner

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:43 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 8m8 minutes ago #NYR in warmups: Kreider-Zibanejad-Zuccarello Vesey-Howden-Namestnikov Chytil-Strome-Fast McLeod-Nieves-Buchnevich Staal-Pionk Skjei-McQuaid Claesson-Shattenkirk Lundqvist

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:43 pm EST

E... We get to keep this years #1 (2019), plus we'll also have Z-bad, Kreider, Howden, Chytil, Kravstov, Pionk, Skjei and whomever else we decide to keep from the current team. We can sign PANARIN or STONE in the offseason. We can also get back some first round picks when we trade assets at the trade deadline (Hayes, etc.). To me, it seems like a no brainer to at least try.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:36 pm EST

Rhet: Thats 8 shutouts in 22 appearances....not al of those starts I believe. SO the kid has almost 50% of his games he has played in a shutout....so if it is correct I think he has 19 or 20 starts now (I am trying to remember what I had read before I could be totally off) that's incredible. I mean, who does that in any league at the level of the AHL or higher? nearly 50% shutouts....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:22 pm EST

Four 1-picks for one guy? You’ll have a franchise player with a bunch of garbage around them. Kind of like Claesson being a top pair with Karlsson in Ottawa. Need those one picks to build inexpensive top talent. Sure a guy like that puts butts in seats but the New York Rangers need to stay the course and get back on course with a framework consistent with what’s required to win in the NHL nowadays.

E


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:21 pm EST

My wife and I are in the city till Sunday night. We will be at the game tonight and Saturday. LGR!!!God GrantMe The Serenity

rangerlou


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:10 pm EST

The CHYTIL/STROME/FAST line may prove to be a disaster, but I kind of like it on paper.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:05 pm EST

Irving moofman who's your data ?

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:04 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 6h6 hours ago Hayes will miss his fourth straight game. Claesson is in, Tony D is back out. And Zucc and Fast are switching spots -- Zucc with Zibanejad and Kreider; Fast with Strome and Chytil (Chytil on the wing). Lundqvist in net.

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 5:53 pm EST

A few stops from #NYR prospect Igor Shestyorkin’s 31 save shutout for @hcSKA_News over @hclokomotiv in today’s @khl_eng action #LGR @aj_ranger..... https://twitter.com/Zak4B/status/1083432530026655744

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 5:48 pm EST

Oh, the memories ....NYR/NYI.... https://twitter.com/MSGNetworks/status/1083491354074931205

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 5:38 pm EST

Apparently nothing because BLS and BROOKS keep stealing it for free. Seriously though, it couldn't be any other blog other than BLS? I hate those guys with all of their click bait and ADs.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:59 pm EST

What's "your" data worth?

mf


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:54 pm EST

These sh-t-heads are stealing my stuff.... "The New York Rangers fastest way back to contention: An offer sheet to Auston Matthews" ....https://bluelinestation.com/2019/01/10/new-york-rangers-fastest-way-back-contention-offer-sheet-auston-matthews/

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:47 pm EST

.... others roll their eyes.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:34 pm EST

When SYBIL speaks, many listen........

mf


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:20 pm EST

All - Amendment to my statement below: a desperate Neil Smith acquired half of those over the hill vets.

limbo


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:17 pm EST

But Bob is correct; Smith was blackballed. He is a friend of Bob McCowan, a very popular sports radio talkshow host and has said as much. The Islander hire was his first after going a long time with no offers. It's possible we'll see an offer sheet this summer because there are so many alluring RFAs but I certainly won't hold my breath on that and I'd be shocked if Gorton gets involved. He seems way too conservative for such a move.

rf4L


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:14 pm EST

stevie: Correct. Smith got hired and then that crazy-assed owner (the NHL has lots of them it seems - nice job Buttman) hired the ex-Sabre coach without consulting his new GM. Smith did the right thing and quit. The Islanders have basically stunk since.

rf4L


Thu Jan 10 2019 4:02 pm EST

Bob neil smith was hired by the fishstinks, but he quit. If my memory is working. ....the nhl and the owners made this mess, a team should be ok making an offer sheet. It's good to upset buttman et al...they hate the nyr most of the time.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 3:36 pm EST

mf: Collusion for sure but the reality is that's it's useless tool that except under the rarest exceptions, serves one side only (the NHLPA). And really, it's not even the harsh compensation that is putting the brakes on this thing - it's the fact that inevitably the team matches regardless of how much it might cost. I think only twice no match occurred - Ryan O'Reilly and the other guy, who got a ridiculous offer that the offering team regretted 4 months into the following season. Hell, even Nashville, at the time one of the most cash-strapped organizations, matched the HUGE offer Shea Weber got from the Flyers. And it's the contract that came out of that which resulted in the Weber/Subban trade (from Nashville's perspective).

rf4L


Thu Jan 10 2019 3:35 pm EST

In regard to offer sheets: Do you want to be the most popular team in the league amongst your peers or do you want to win? If we had gotten SAKIC in 1997, we might have won another cup. ALSO: I can give at least ten examples of offer sheets made with zero repercussions. Among them are Ryan O'Reilly, Shea Weber, Niklas Hjalmarsson, Thomas Vanek, Ryan Kesler, Dustin Penner, Sergei Fedorov, etc. What made the Joe Sakic offer sheet different from the others that Bettman took exception to? They were a recently relocated team that was struggling financially(despite winning the cup) and SMITH was trying to take advantage of that. The message of that story is that you don't F-K with on of Bettman's projects. TO Is one of the richest team's in the NHL, it's a totally different animal ....MF.....Who cares if we never trade with them again?.... B-When was the last time that the NYR made a trade with Toronto anyway? ANSWER: It was 2011 when we got John Mitchell. Also, I mentioned we should try to work out a deal with them right before signing him to the offer sheet.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 3:25 pm EST

uuuummmmm------>>>Aaron Portzline ‏ Verified account @Aportzline 29m29 minutes ago More The Athletic: Blue Jackets tell goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky to stay away from club after incident in Tampa Bay; meeting planned for Friday morning will determine when goaltender returns #CBJ

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 3:06 pm EST

As for offer sheets-they pretty much always match-rather than lose the asset. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NHL_players_who_have_signed_offer_sheets

puckyou


Thu Jan 10 2019 1:23 pm EST

Also, If we or another team try to "poach" another teams player via the offer sheet route, you can forget about trading with that team for a good long time, and I'd venture to reiterate there's going to be groups of GM's which will shun the team that tenders the offer sheet.... The good ol' boys club is alive and well. Collusion, nah....

mf


Thu Jan 10 2019 1:11 pm EST

Bob: Bingo!

mf


Thu Jan 10 2019 1:08 pm EST

Whether you see him as a good GM or not, Neil Smith made the offer to Sakic and was essentially blackballed afterward. He all but had the GM job in Anaheim until Bettman intervened with the Ducks owners and convinced them to hire Brian Burke instead. Nobody wants to be blackballed, and I will believe that offer sheets will happen when I see one. If Arizona blasts Toronto with one for Matthews, my prediction is that the franchise will end up elsewhere because they will not have the backing of Emporer Bettman any longer. JMHO.

Bob


Thu Jan 10 2019 1:01 pm EST

Rhet: The same media folks floated 2 years ago the rumour that Stamkos would sign a 1 year maximum deal with the Leafs and then last summer JT would do the same with the Leafs. It's the same old thing - the media drumming up business and the fans getting sucked in. It's starting ridiculously early this year (because, I guess, of the collective of pending RFA talent); it's gonna just grow and grow and grow to the point where it'll be over the top come the summer when there's nothing to talk about in hockey.

rf4L


Thu Jan 10 2019 12:23 pm EST

Apparently, I'm not as crazy as I think... Bob McKenzie was also talking about offer sheets... Offer sheets in the NHL tend to be taboo, but that mindset may be shifting somewhat headed into this summer.... Bob McKenzie answered viewer questions on the NBCSN Overtime show Wednesday evening..... One query cut right to the chase: “Auston Matthews offer sheet. Will it happen?”.... “People are talking a lot about offer sheets,” noted McKenzie. “Historically we haven’t had one for so long that I’m almost of the opinion ‘seeing is believing.’ If we get one, then I’ll say, ‘Yeah, you know what, that’s great. There’s an offer sheet.’ But until then, I don’t know..... “Now, there’s all sorts of rumors out there. And one of the rumors - and I stress a rumor. If it was a report, if there was any evidence to back this up, I would say it. But he’s an Arizona boy. So there’s all sorts of speculation that the Arizona Coyotes would come in on a one-year max deal, $16 million a year that would make it difficult for the Toronto Maple Leafs to match..... “That’s the kind of talk that’s out there. Whether it happens or not remains to be seen. But there are a lot of people who believe if there were ever there were a time when other NHL teams might want to take advantage of a team like the Toronto Maple Leafs on a player like Auston Matthews or Mitch Marner, that this would be it..... “So we’ll have to wait and see what happens in the offseason, but I’m skeptical. And yet I know there are teams, general managers, talking to their owners and saying, ‘Hey, this whole offer sheet concept, this is one we should revisit. This might be the summer to break the ‘no offer sheet’ mold that’s been so prevalent for so many years.’” Matthews and Marner are in the final seasons of their entry-level contracts, and are eligible to sign extensions at any point.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 12:22 pm EST

Rhet: As you’re aware, RF4L & VIC have been towing the line about damn near every topic surrounding our 1st round picks, past, present and future... Since the trading of McD & Miller, it has been beyond obvious that we need to go this route at this time, and there is going to be a cost realized to restock and replace the farm….. Hey VIC, get yourself back on the court cause Texas is only so big, and we’ll find ya!

mf


Thu Jan 10 2019 11:55 am EST

Trade - see that's the thing. I WANT them to destroy the iles every time they play. Meh, I'm a lunatic...just call me Sybil.

limbo


Thu Jan 10 2019 11:37 am EST

Dan Rosen ‏ Verified account @drosennhl .... For the Rangers tonight: Kevin Hayes is still out, will miss his fourth straight game. Henrik Lundqvist starts. Freddy Claesson in for Tony DeAngelo because David Quinn expects a tough game and he likes Claesson’s in your face style for it.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 11:02 am EST

Here is the problemo........Rangers will come out on fire tonight and beat the Iceholes easily.....then they will repeat that on Saturday.....which will breath life back into the team.......

tradestar28


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:49 am EST

Rhet - well said. To the NYR credit, at least the last 60 years, the org has always tried for the here and now. Every year. And it's been a pretty good run. We are not a losing org. We have never been called Mickey Mouse. It's something to be proud of. But you can't overlook the elephant in the room - 1 (lucky?) cup in almost 80 years. There ARE many ways to win the cup. We have tried the same thing: BALLS OUT for 60 years. It's not possible to even think of trying something different? You know what sucked? 1997 to 2005. Cigar boy kept getting the aging stars (Gretzky, LaFontaine, Maclean, Fleury, Nedved2, Stevens, Valbot, Lindros, Bure, Holik, Mess-again). All it did was keep us competitive enough to not make the playoff but not bottom out. You know what sucked worse? The fact that missing the playoffs for SEVEN straight years didn't result in drafting the high-end assets needed for one or more cups. I'm willing to try something different. We may get worse or same results. But to quote McMurphy: Well, I tried, didn't I? Goddamnit, at least I did that.

limbo


Thu Jan 10 2019 10:48 am EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Hayes is on, wearing red non contact jersey, for morning skate at MSG.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:49 am EST

"The Rangers also have a new coach in David Quinn, but his résumé is quite different. Where Trotz was coming off a Stanley Cup victory with the veteran Capitals, Quinn came in from Boston University with the direct intent to help drive this rebuilding process that began in earnest around this time last year. The Blueshirts still will look to add young assets before the Feb. 25 trade deadline, but they will just as surely go into this two-game set knowing that a couple of points could be a much-needed boost in morale. Boy, that’s what the Islanders always used to say, wasn’t it? “It’s Game 42 for us, but it’s as close to a playoff-type atmosphere you’re going to get at this point in the season,” said Islanders forward Matt Martin. “We want to put them behind us, keep climbing the standings. Not that we want to worry about the teams behind us, but we don’t want to give them any life.”

stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:38 am EST

Rhet: Re that post you attempted 4 times: Well said and bang on.

rf4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:36 am EST

with a blow up during a game between the star of the AVS and the coach....if Sakic doesnt make move like, now, the team will get stuck in a death spiral...having a single line, and having teams figure out how to beat them because of it (we saw this as Rangers fans at one point in time and somewhat now) is causing a lot of stress on the team...clearly its boiling over now. I imagine if Sakic made the right moves and the team started winning again, everyone would be happy again, and those battles between players and coach would evaporate.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:20 am EST

Here's a virtual guarantee: The Leafs will match any offer sheet Matthews might sign. It'll serve to achieve one thing: Raise the average contract cost. The media is all hot and bothered about offer sheets lately due to the bevy of top end kids coming off their ELCs this July. It's gonna end up as it always does: Something the fans and media get all excited about and something the GMs ignore. Regarding the latter, why not? It serves to achieve nothing for the team that gets the sheet signed (other than getting 30 other GMs annoyed at them) and raises the cap ceiling for the team that matches.

rf4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 9:15 am EST

Rhet: If it's a 'great' offer, what's the mulling all about? Or maybe it's mulled wine that's at the heart of this...

rf4l


Thu Jan 10 2019 6:56 am EST

Panarin supposedly wants to come to the Nyr, Matthews to an offer sheet is a possibility. The question is what is fishpie planning, a-z or less? So far it seems he has rushed the kids with the maybe the exception of poink. And he has helped Tampa nyr South. I don’t think he has the gonad gills to go after teams with offer sheets. And Hartford is not settling the ahl on fire. He’s trying to buy himself 5 more years. I call it tank torture. He calls it building a Cup contender. I don’t have the confidence in him , sather , and jimmyboy to get it right.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 10 2019 2:56 am EST

I have MF disease... Oh well, 4th tines the charm... TD. said... "I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded."....Rhet says: No one thinks that. It's more about short term pain now, for long term gains later. We've already tried the drafting mid-round pick-type players hoping it would work out. How many Dubinsky's and Callahan's will it take to win a Stanley Cup? We've also already been down that road multiple times, why would we want to repeat it yet again/? There is only one objective and that's not to just go deep in the playoffs. That's not good enough. 1998 was at the end of our cup run years when when we had no players left in the cupboard because we had traded them all. If you're referring to the 1999 Draft, that was due to our wonderful new owner who knew nothing about hockey and wanted to make a big splash to impress everyone. Do you really want to never draft in the top five again because we've had one bad experience in the history of our franchise? What are we going to win now with the current lineup? Anything? Should we ride Hank into the ground until he's 45? Do you think we'll have better luck next year if only we keep this team together? Think about this, in the entirety of Glen Sather's run, name one blue chip player that he's ever drafted? Everyone would immediately go toe HANK, but you can't even give him credit for that. He was hired so close to theNHL Draft that he's even admitted he had to go with Neil Smith and Don Maloney's game plan for that draft. Who's the next guy after that, Kreider? The last NYR Rookie to score 30 goals was Petr Pr?cha in 2005–06. Thirteen years ago! The last time Sather had one before then was Jason Arnott in 1993-94. This guy should have been out of hockey years ago. I for one am tired of following his path.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 2:55 am EST

TD. said... "I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded."....Rhet says: No one thinks that. It's more about short term pain now, for long term gains later. We've already tried the drafting mid-round pick-type players hoping it would work out. How many Dubinsky's and Callahan's will it take to win a Stanley Cup? We've also already been down that road multiple times, why would we want to repeat it yet again/? There is only one objective and that's not to just go deep in the playoffs. That's not good enough. 1998 was at the end of our cup run years when when we had no players left in the cupboard because we had traded them all. If you're referring to the 1999 Draft, that was due to our wonderful new owner who knew nothing about hockey and wanted to make a big splash to impress everyone. Do you really want to never draft in the top five again because we've had one bad experience in the history of our franchise? What are we going to win now with the current lineup? Anything? Should we ride Hank into the ground until he's 45? Do you think we'll have better luck next year if only we keep this team together? Think about this, in the entirety of Glen Sather's run, name one blue chip player that he's ever drafted? Everyone would immediately go toe HANK, but you can't even give him credit for that. He was hired so close to theNHL Draft that he's even admitted he had to go with Neil Smith and Don Maloney's game plan for that draft. Who's the next guy after that, Kreider? The last NYR Rookie to score 30 goals was Petr Pr?cha in 2005–06. Thirteen years ago! The last time Sather had one before then was Jason Arnott in 1993-94. This guy should have been out of hockey years ago. I for one am tired of following his path. Rhet0ric - I think if the Rangers lose any of their top players...Z, KREIDER, or HAYES...the results are self-evident. You can say the Rangers are not a very deep team...I wouldn't argue...You can say that losing any of those players is bad news for the Rangers...and hell, I'll throw another in: ZUCCARELLO...So I guess what I'm saying is I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded...It's absolute madness to tear down a team like that...totally and 110 percent counterproductive...but THAT is what half the goddamn Ranger fans seem to want: A return to the dark years...nobody backs up for a second, scratches their down and thinks about how unbelievably far this team has come since...say...1998...all those abortive years of losing and bringing in losers...But yeah...trade away those guys and everyone else. Dress all the kids who are barely out of juniors and watch them get ass-thrashed like a goddamn mites team. That's the answer...because lord only knows, KAKKO and HUGHES will be our saviors.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 2:55 am EST

TD. said... "I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded."....Rhet says: No one thinks that. It's more about short term pain now, for long term gains later. We've already tried the drafting mid-round pick-type players hoping it would work out. How many Dubinsky's and Callahan's will it take to win a Stanley Cup? We've also already been down that road multiple times, why would we want to repeat it yet again/? There is only one objective and that's not to just go deep in the playoffs. That's not good enough. 1998 was at the end of our cup run years when when we had no players left in the cupboard because we had traded them all. If you're referring to the 1999 Draft, that was due to our wonderful new owner who knew nothing about hockey and wanted to make a big splash to impress everyone. Do you really want to never draft in the top five again because we've had one bad experience in the history of our franchise? What are we going to win now with the current lineup? Anything? Should we ride Hank into the ground until he's 45? Do you think we'll have better luck next year if only we keep this team together? Think about this, in the entirety of Glen Sather's run, name one blue chip player that he's ever drafted? Everyone would immediately go toe HANK, but you can't even give him credit for that. He was hired so close to theNHL Draft that he's even admitted he had to go with Neil Smith and Don Maloney's game plan for that draft. Who's the next guy after that, Kreider? The last NYR Rookie to score 30 goals was Petr Pr?cha in 2005–06. Thirteen years ago! The last time Sather had one before then was Jason Arnott in 1993-94. This guy should have been out of hockey years ago. I for one am tired of following his path. Rhet0ric - I think if the Rangers lose any of their top players...Z, KREIDER, or HAYES...the results are self-evident. You can say the Rangers are not a very deep team...I wouldn't argue...You can say that losing any of those players is bad news for the Rangers...and hell, I'll throw another in: ZUCCARELLO...So I guess what I'm saying is I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded...It's absolute madness to tear down a team like that...totally and 110 percent counterproductive...but THAT is what half the goddamn Ranger fans seem to want: A return to the dark years...nobody backs up for a second, scratches their down and thinks about how unbelievably far this team has come since...say...1998...all those abortive years of losing and bringing in losers...But yeah...trade away those guys and everyone else. Dress all the kids who are barely out of juniors and watch them get ass-thrashed like a goddamn mites team. That's the answer...because lord only knows, KAKKO and HUGHES will be our saviors.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 10 2019 2:06 am EST

OTTAWA won in 0T tonight and is now in 30th place with the FLYERS falling into last place ....MF... Of the guys you mentioned, my preference would be to go for PANARIN and the NYR reportedly have also been high on him. If it came down to HAYES or DUCHENE, I would also probably go for Duchene. I really like Hayes, I just have no confidence that he's anything more than a 1 hit wonder. At least with Duchene, he would be the closest thing we've had to a true #1 in years. He will also have far greater trade value if that's what we decide to do down the road. I expect management to do their best due diligence on him in regard to his character. That said: I think we should go after Auston Matthews before we make a decision on anyone else (but Rhet, you're crazy! Yes, I am, but hear me out). If we were ever going to sign a player to an Offer Sheet, I couldn't imagine too many guys better. He is the #1 center we have always dreamed of. He is only 21 and his best years are in front of him. No matter how much we sign him to, he'll still only 28 at the end of the contract. Yes, we would most likely have to sign him to a long term max deal, but' it would still be well worth it. Will TORONTO match it? Most likely, but there's a chance that they'd be so screwed over cap-wise (with MARNER, etc. to sign) that maybe they'd decide to let him go. If we go to TO right before we sign the deal, maybe we can also work out a trade instead. Otherwise we'll be looking at surrendering four 1st round draft picks (that's not including 2019's 1st). It's a steep price to pay, but survivable for that calibre of player. Even if it's only less than a 1/1000th % chance that we're successful, I still say we should go for it. We're also likely 1-year away from another lockout (no matter what Bettman says). Expect a similar outcome to the last lockout. BTW, that's probably the real reason they pushed the Expansion Draft back a year.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 10:01 pm EST

mf: He also brings loosing trends to every team he plays on...the guy had the coaching staff of the AVS basically begging for him too be traded...OTT from rumors isn't even trying that hard to re-up him...they say they are trying to sign him, but the rumored numbers I have seen have been well below his perceived market value.....I wouldn't touch him with a 200 foot hockey stick...so what he gets a bunch of points....his teams never gel and they lose....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 9 2019 9:56 pm EST

I do believe this poor stretch started when Zucc, Shatt, and McQuaid came back.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 9 2019 9:33 pm EST

Once again it sure doesn't look like the Rangers are deep enough at Center.... Some options: Resign Hayes now / this season....trade Hayes before the deadline and get picks & or prospects hoping to resign him in the off-season... Maybe trade Hayes before the deadline and go after DUCHENE in the UFA market... Duchy is a year older, will be a little more expensive, but he puts up better numbers.....

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 9:01 pm EST

Rhet: LMFAO

Wildcard


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:49 pm EST

This per EKLUND.... "According to a trusted source...the NY Rangers are mulling over a great offer from the Calgary Flames for Mats Zuccarello".... I guess we can interpret that the NYR haven't gotten an offer from the FLAMES for ZUCC.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:47 pm EST

This is an excellent article to follow up on the "Racism Article" TD shared last week...... https://www.nhl.com/news/washington-capitals-smith-pelly-carlson-surprise-youth-team-for-standing-up-to-racism/c-303727162

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:45 pm EST

punchrolfe - I get your overall point and don't necessarily disagree...but I don't believe for one minute that the cap has much to do with the Rangers' situation with HAYES...even IF we assume he's going to demand $7.5 million over seven...guess what? The cap by the end of that contract will be $10-$15 million higher...and there will be third-line centers making that kind of coin...Fans LOVE getting caught up in the numbers...but I tell you what: Rutherford and Shero before him somehow scummed their way into cups keeping their team flush up against the cap...and you can say MALKIN and CROSBY blah blah blah...but those guys were making BANK during their last cup run...and he STILL managed to shoehorn KESSEL and LETANG and FLEURY into the mix...And then HAGELIN'S bloated $4 million contract(for a third liner!!)...Where there's a will, there's a way...and where there's not a way, teams use circumvention...The cap is simply a stop-gap measure Buttman has used to slow the rapid growth of salaries...and even THAT has come to an end with teams like the Oilers signing guys like McJESUS for $100 million contracts when they're still teenagers...Back to the Rangers though...they lose Hank's contract in a couple years...they lose a whole shit-ton of players to UFAdom before then...I mean, it sucks to have so much coin tied up in a shitty defense...SHATTENKIRK'S deal blows, for instance...and we could really stand to be apart from the SMITH and STAAL deals...but again...god forbid if someone in our top six DOES deserve a large contract, I can't see the scenario where the Ranger would have to trade said player just to get under the cap...The Hayes situation comes down to whether the team sees him as a fit going forward...and if these past few games are any indication, they better think long and hard on this one...because right now, he seems just about indispensable to me.

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:35 pm EST

RF4L - I like QUAIDER and appreciate him standing up and all...but man, did he ever get shit-stomped by REAVES...it was a valiant effort...but to what end? Almost counter-productive...got the Vegas fans jazzed. Pumped up the Knights a bit...I don't know if it did anything for the Rangers...I'm just glad he didn't get injured and may still bring home the prospect of a second or third rounder.

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:29 pm EST

Fishpie will tank this team to try and make himself look good . A plastic surgeon can’t do that. I hope their ticket sales go down so he can be a sardine canned.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:22 pm EST

PJ - Amen. Totally agree. NTM, Hanky was pretty stanky...he let in some beach balls...and that's coming from a big LUNDQVIST supporter.

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:18 pm EST

Rhet0ric - I think if the Rangers lose any of their top players...Z, KREIDER, or HAYES...the results are self-evident. You can say the Rangers are not a very deep team...I wouldn't argue...You can say that losing any of those players is bad news for the Rangers...and hell, I'll throw another in: ZUCCARELLO...So I guess what I'm saying is I don't get WHY fans think it'll be such a wonderful joyous walk down the primrose path if one, several or all of these guys are traded...It's absolute madness to tear down a team like that...totally and 110 percent counterproductive...but THAT is what half the goddamn Ranger fans seem to want: A return to the dark years...nobody backs up for a second, scratches their down and thinks about how unbelievably far this team has come since...say...1998...all those abortive years of losing and bringing in losers...But yeah...trade away those guys and everyone else. Dress all the kids who are barely out of juniors and watch them get ass-thrashed like a goddamn mites team. That's the answer...because lord only knows, KAKKO and HUGHES will be our saviors.

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:06 pm EST

RF4L - You mean the last game HAYES played? Ya' know...the one where he got injured? Gotcha.

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 4:31 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis Trotz on #Isles: "Now it’s to get ourselves to the final level, there in the playoffs, year in and year out. And grow to hopefully be a contender down the road. But we still have lots of work, and probably a year or two away."

stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 4:01 pm EST

And to add to that now fans mostly try to be armchair gms instead of being entertained.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 3:59 pm EST

Punchrolf AMEN ! ... Buttman is destroying the game with parity, losers points for ties , and the cap , all in the name of watered down make the owners happy with expan$ion knock hockey. Having a home grown team is almost impossible unless it’s filled with entry level kids and journey men , and a few so called stars . It’s basically veteran age discrimination.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 2:04 pm EST

Hmmm, Does Arizona have PO aspirations? Perhaps we've got something they want, we have history trading with them..... https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/schmaltz-is-out-for-the-season-and-everything-continues-to-go-wrong-for-coyotes

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:30 pm EST

swap

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:29 pm EST

Rhet: If that is too much to trade / offer, we taper it back..Maybe we eat some of SKJEI’s salary, maybe we don’t sway 2nd round picks…... WE must play the best odd’s, and the best odd’s are that OTTAWA will have one of the worst records in the league.. Couple that with the likelihood that the NYR’s will wind up in the bottom 3rd, perhaps ¼ of the standings, and we should have good draft position on one or both of those 1st round picks… If we need do move higher once the pecking order has been revealed, we must bundle / trade to move up and get the player we want & need….. At this point It's imperative that we hit, or continue to hit on our 1st round draft choices... This year, the flavor is "Center," last year's flavor was RHS D... Let's see what RHS D JOEY KEANE develops into because last draft it occurred to me that OTBG & Co. seemed to pass over the “low hanging fruit,” I wanted another 1st round pick or a solid RHS D player to be chosen…..Hopefully this year we can get best talent and a center in the 1st round "Fickle me" thinks we should just continue to turn over the roster & re-vamp as we did last season, moving many of the players we've been discussing here, get our draft picks, try to maximize our selections, and be aggressive in this years upcoming UFA market..... Do the same thing at the end of next season, while holding on to all of our picks and trying to add a pick or two along the way… ......... I've looked at the UFA lists on Capfriendly for this upcoming season, next season, and the following season after that and didn't see any UFA 1st line Centers that jumped off the page.. That could change, some no-name or player flying under the radar could blossom and become a candidate..... The RANGER’S need Top Line Talent… I have no issue signing a 27 year old to a 6,7, and in a rare situation an 8 year contract, especially when compared to signing a +35 y/o aging veteran….. We could literally compete for STONE, PANARIN, & DUCHENE, (while we purge), which would give us at least 2/3rds of a first line, which would solidify our Top 9, dare I say the entire 4 lines be pushing everyone down to a better suited role for their abilities….. It’s not going to be easy getting all the salaries under the Cap, there will be sacrifices, but IF the forwards play a good defensive game, this team can compete…. Jmo’s

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 10:30 am EST

Actually the Rangers played a good first period vs. the Pens...Allowed a goal and then every decent chance on Hank went in....Hayes is a huge loss...If you can't see that you are just a hater....

Pj


Wed Jan 9 2019 9:15 am EST

Watching major market teams trying to rebuild in a hard cap league is excruciating. The NHL screws over its most loyal fan base --and clearly the fan base that pays the highest ticket prices and provides the most consistent and biggest return -- in order to ensure its small town owners are protected from their own stupidity and lack of revenue base. The idea that the Rangers have to agonize over signing Hayes to a market value deal, or trade him for future developmental projects that might possibly create a more cost-effective roster at some imaginary future date (basically turning the franchise into the hockey version of the 1950s KC Athletics) is so preposterous that it raises the question of whether voting with our feet against the league makes the most sense of all. As much as I believe Slatsky and Fish don't know what the hell they are doing, I am not sure that any GM can steer out of this stupidity without simple, dumb luck in drafting a superstar or two. Absolutely absurd, especially watching Las Vegas and its inflated roster built on the backs of other team's fan bases. Wake me when this is over.

punchrolfe


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:57 am EST

Rhet: Yep, the Rangers suck just a little less with Hayes in the lineup.

rf4l


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:48 am EST

However Hayes was injured in that Pens game I am fairly certain...he either sustained it in that game or already was offering form something. I cant remember the timeline. Regardless, he was not at 100% for the entire game. Not that the team didnt play poorly that game from the start, but Hayes not being 100% would not help that game stay any closer.....I dont think you can say hayes being out doesnt hurt the team, he is a good player, I dont argue that, I just argue giving him 6+ mil for 6 years based on one season of top end play....its very risky, and could end up hurting a lot down the road....and in the position the Rangers are in, I think its a bit smarter, maybe not safer, to take the futures from a trade...I mean as long as he isn't willing to take a really team friendly deal or the offers just suck.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:38 am EST

Is anyone else still questioning the impact the loss of HAYES has had on this lineup? ....TD.... Why would you question the impact the loss of HAYES has had on this lineup? We have so few options for generating offense, I'm sure it would be similar to losing Kreider or Zibanejad as well.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:28 am EST

mf: There's a negative zero chance of Sakic trading Ottawa's pick unless/until the draft lottery is settled and it's not the first (and probably) second overall slot.

rf4l


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:27 am EST

Kudos to McQuaid for stepping up to fight Reaves. His trade value increased with that gutsy move I'm sure.

rf4l


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:27 am EST

This horrific stretch started with a 7 2 lose to the Penguins. Hayes was in the lineup for that game. Just saying.

rf4l


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:06 am EST

Is anyone else still questioning the impact the loss of HAYES has had on this lineup?

tdchi


Wed Jan 9 2019 8:02 am EST

stevie: that would be ugly.....yikes....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 9 2019 7:08 am EST

5-10-5 since thanksgiving project that out over 82

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 7:04 am EST

Whatever fishpie does by the deadline by trading more than zucchini will make the nyr weaker this season and probably next season . He’s creating a bad culture and will have a hard time creating a winning culture. If he doesn’t build that , he should be fired. Not a 3-5 year window to make them less competitive, creating a losing culture. They were the oilers East in 1994 , to be the present day oilers in 2019-20-21 and beyond with top picks is a mirror not worth looking into.

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 9 2019 2:49 am EST

Vitali Kravtsov will join his team Traktor today and will be examined by a doctor to see how bad the injury is. Coach wants him to play since he's crucial for their play off hunt. They play today against AK Bars, and then leave for a road trip to Moscow, Riga and Bratislava #NYR

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 2:06 am EST

MF... That's a ton to give up without knowing we'll get a top three pick. A lot can happen. Ottawa could get hot or they could fall down in the lottery (especially if we owned the pick).

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:54 am EST

Rhet: I have to review their defense to see if they'd want SKJEI, so Hayes & Skjei.... Maybe swap 2nd rounders too.... NAMESTNIKOV has certainly improved his trade value and has another year on his contract unlike Hayes..... IMO, we must try to draft a center as well as best talent available this year...... Obviously last year I was hoping for RHS D'man / best talent available....

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:37 am EST

TD: I have no inside info on Lundvqist but my gut feeling is that he wants to remain a Ranger. I think he's very rooted in the NYC and doesn't want to go elsewhere at this stage of his career even if it's to a contender. I also agree that if he wants to stay a Ranger then the organization should respect that and back off from trying to get him to waive his NTC. He's been a great Ranger and he's earned that rite to stay if he chooses to. Part of me would like to see him traded for prospects and to see him have a chance to win a cup but part of me wants to see him retire a Ranger. I think it would be great to see him retire as a Ranger especially being that he was a homegrown Ranger.

davidsoc30


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:31 am EST

MF... What would that look like?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:29 am EST

Big fight from McQuaid. Wow. Fought the toughest guy in the league in Reaves.

Richter35


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:27 am EST

Rhet: I think we should make SAKIC an offer he can't refuse. Then we cant move the other Rangers which are obvious trade candidates. Then we descend to the deep with Jacques & Phillipe Cousteau, while the internet GM's monitor the situation from the Calypso...

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 1:21 am EST

We're two points out of the 5th pick overall and ten points out of a playoff spot.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:59 am EST

Win-a-pig beat the AV's 7 - 4, another team we've targeted as a good trade candidate...

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:58 am EST

San Jose spanking the Oilers tonight 7 - 2 with 4 minutes left in the game.... EK has 3 assists and has been finding his game after a weak start to the season...

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:47 am EST

Georgiev and his .880 save % is not cutting it. The Rangers are not getting the goaltending they did earlier in the season. Georgie looked hopeless on 2 breakaways tonight. Now......he is not getting much help but still. Shattenkirk seems to,have lost a step or 2. This newfound offensive performance from Staal does not work when he rushes, misses the net by 10 feet and the entire tream is caught up resulting in a goal against.

Bob


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:41 am EST

Good night my Friends

rangerlou


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:39 am EST

I think we will be hearing the propoaganda words "good effort" alot over the next 7 years from dickwad Rosen and Dickaletti,,

Hospo


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:36 am EST

We looked better before we pulled the goalie.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:24 am EST

MF... We're playing a lot better tonight, except for the offense. At least get the shot on net. Can't stand all the missing. Geo deserves better tonight.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:23 am EST

Nice pass by Zucc..good soccer play by ZBAD..about damn tine they did something

Hospo


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:22 am EST

Z 2 Z & a Beauty!

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:22 am EST

FINALLY!!!

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:22 am EST

Someone hit the f-ing net.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:14 am EST

Rhet: VGK is 7-1-2 Last 10, & on a 6 game winning streak.. NYR's are a team they are supposed to beat when they look at their schedule...... https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:07 am EST

We suck.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:06 am EST

MF - I second that! The most exciting Ranger "play" all year..Glad it wasnt McLeod!

Hospo


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:06 am EST

A goal here and we're back in it.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:05 am EST

Clarisse, it is the Lambs Clarisse, not the Pony's

mf


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:05 am EST

We are getting are ass kicked on the scoreboard on the ice and in the ring...FU@K ME!!!!!

rangerlou


Wed Jan 9 2019 12:03 am EST

G-d bless you MCQUAID

mf


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:56 pm EST

RHET - You said..I didnt...

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:54 pm EST

This is beyond SAD. Passion Smarts and Cohesion are non existent

rangerlou


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:53 pm EST

Didn't score.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:53 pm EST

HOSPO... Hayes didn't the last two games before his injury, but sure, he's the straw straw that stirs the drink.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:47 pm EST

RHET - Actiiually, without Hayes, there is no pony! But seriously, this has been a one line team (whatever line Kreider is on) at best offensively for about 15-20 games..There are NO WINGS

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:44 pm EST

PJ - No..Down 3-0 after the D-man, whoever it was, gets caught up ice with his head up his ass..This team is so frekaing stupid..Yea, Mcleod missed oppotunities but atleast he was in the right place..And Howden missed opportunites too..At least they are getting them..what's he deal with ZBAD and the rest of the two "top" lines? Been a disgrace for 5 games

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:44 pm EST

The problem right now for the NYR is without HAYES we're a one trick pony. We need to get something out of the other lines.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:42 pm EST

I am afraid Zucc's value is plummeting with each passing game....I mean what would you give up for him?....

PJ


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:41 pm EST

Tony d is a nightmare

Kis


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:41 pm EST

Need to trade Zucc and zbad Neither do a fucking thing here.

Kis


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:40 pm EST

TonyD is a disaster....Guess no penalties will be called on Vegas...Ugh...3-0 after McLeod can't finish twice....

PJ


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:38 pm EST

Damn, we can't catch a break at all.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:34 pm EST

Can the NYR hit the net... at all?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:32 pm EST

It’s good having young kids playing and getting experience but this isn’t a good experience these young rangers are having. To keep losing this badly can be detrimental. There is nothing positive happening here. To get an ass whoooing every night doesn’t help. Some of the older players need to get their heads out of their ass.

Kis


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:25 pm EST

KREIDER and ZUCC always need to shoot the puck more.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:19 pm EST

i watched the first period. kreider and zucc need to shoot the puck. TonyD got what he deserved, Max was on a mission since TonyD gave him a stick shot to the nuts on his breakaway

richter35


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:09 pm EST

ZUCC looks better today.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:02 pm EST

DeAngelo back on the bench to start the second

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:54 pm EST

If it was me I would sit Vesey for a few shifts. if he's not back-checking, what's he worth?

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:40 pm EST

Shoot the phucking puck.

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:39 pm EST

VC pretty much just let him go. Shame, it was a pretty good period for us. Of course, that's not saying too much.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:36 pm EST

DeAngelo went to the locker room.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:34 pm EST

So McLeod boards Girard and gets a major, MaxPac does the same to DeAngelo right in front of the referee.....no call. NHL refs suck.

Bob


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:32 pm EST

Lickiletti talks so much but has so little to offer in terms of anything interesting. How does he keep his job??

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:26 pm EST

Much much much better start. Can they keep it going?

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:18 pm EST

Now that was better...

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:17 pm EST

2 shots 2 shots into the goalie's gut.

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 9:24 pm EST

Shawn Hutcheon ‏ @ShawnHutcheon .... Tonight's #MINvsBOS game being scouted by #CAR, #FLA, #NSH, #NJD, #NYR, #PIT, #TOR, #VAN, #WPG (2).

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:43 pm EST

Rhet -Ah....now i get what your post was after the link (which i didnr read)! I'm glad..maybe they can trade him then! or score tonight and shut me up!..And who's "Rabid"?

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:19 pm EST

but Maker isn't going anyplace...he is already used by the promotional people here in the Mile High...KSE is betting that kid will become a star for the AVS....trading him now would be like jumping without a parachute

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:17 pm EST

schneidw: The AVS still sell 90-05% of their tickets every night. And seeing as how ticket sales are like 10% of their total revenue...its not single game tickets that will affect the spending of money. They will spend to the cap. KSE has ALWAYS shared the money between teams...they haven't stopped as of yet, the AVS will have plenty of mounty because the Nuggets are getting uber popular this season and both the Outlaws and mammoth and rapids have had increases in popularity over the last coupe years. KSE is not hurting for money, the AVS are not hurting for money...not sure where this idea that they are not able to spend has come from....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:00 pm EST

I wonder if SEAN DAY could be converted into a LWer?

Pal17


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:48 pm EST

Hank used to look across the locker room at MCD, Nash, MSL, Richards. Now it’s Iclod, Smith. Buch, Nieves.

Puckyou


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:47 pm EST

EVETS: Not likely... Colorado has a bunch of RFAs to sign and for several years now their ticket sales have been down and thus, the revenue stream is tight

schneidw


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:42 pm EST

Who cares if Hank stays or not? The team sucks- if he wants to go for the ride-it’s his choice.He’s a great competitor- but if the team continues to play like they have been, and we purge at the break, which we will, he’ll be in his own private hell. He could probably help this team and himself more with a trade to a contender- but his mindset is to stay for now. I wish him all the luck in the world.

Puckyou


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:21 pm EST

It's clear that Lundqvist is going nowhere... but IF Lundqvist and the Rangers agree that it's time for him to go for it... I wonder if the Avalanche would be a good fit. They currently have around 7.5 million in cap space and lots of prospects and picks. I can envision a massive deal with the Avalanche where we would send Lundqvist, Hayes, and Namestnikov (and maybe some smaller pieces) for Semyon Varlamov, another salary dump and some combination of the Ottawa first round pick, Tyson Jost, Shane Bowers, Vlad Kamenev, and Cale Makar. Pipe dreams, I know... but, 'tis the season!

evets1980


Tue Jan 8 2019 5:51 pm EST

Stevie....As a former college goalie i agree.But you have to be the leader out there. And your body language has to be in check

rangerlou


Tue Jan 8 2019 5:12 pm EST

A big part of a goalie’s success is having a good team d in front of him . I don’t think hanky has or had much of that. And I don’t think he’s blocking or will block anyone from taking his spot . That decision will be fishpie, the mighty Quinney, and allaire. And I don’t see how he’s hurting the present nyr and how anyone can wish for him to be gone until there’s a viable replacement. Can you try to imagine Georgie boy and whoever trying to carry this team this year. That’s probably grounds for a losing culture. Be careful what you wish for. He bleeds nyr blue whether you see it or not.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 4:22 pm EST

TD: I don't believe that Swede was selected due to a lack of confidence in Sherk or anyone else. The kid is 18 years old - he's anywhere from 3 to 7 or 8 years away, depending on his development curve. If it trends towards the latter, Sherk, should he assume the number 1 role in the next couple of years, will be pushing 30 by the time the Swede is NHL ready. Drafting another goalie was a prudent move for the future (and that's leaving aside for another day or discussion the wisdom of taking this particular kid with that particular spot). In other words, one has nothing to do with the other.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 4:02 pm EST

TD - re: Richter/Henrik. I like Henrik, but just speaking for myself, I gotta go with Richter. I can see younger fans that don't really remember 94, or older fans that loved Giacomin. Just my opinion, but if you are between 40 and 70, I think most would would be for Richter. Over a HOFer and certain HOFer - that's how much that cup meant to some. Pretty good article here: https://thehockeywriters.com/mike-richter-hall-of-fame-worthy/

limbo


Tue Jan 8 2019 4:01 pm EST

stevie: Not seeing the hate for Hank anywhere. Maybe some frustration but not hate. One can be unhappy with another without hate being involved.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 3:59 pm EST

Rhet0ric - you’re usually in the more rational logic-based camp around here, which is why I really don’t get your take on LUNDQVIST. I understand your opinion, yes...but that Hank is gonna either stymie SHESTYORKIN or pout when/if he arrives...it just doesn’t seem rational...he’s got two more seasons after this one...and both, we’re into call it, will be with a reduced work load and with one of the two Russian kids taking more...keep in mind that Shesty isn’t exactly starting full time in St. Petersburg...he’s platooning ironically with Magnis HELLBURG...now here’s the scary part: their numbers are almost IDENTICAL. This, while not reason for alarm, gives pause for thought. Hellberg is a goddamn sieve...and while I’ve seen evidence first-hand of the type of goalie Shesty is...and would vehemently argue against him being anything less than a Grade A prospect...I would say if you’re banking on Shesty coming into the NHL to start 50-plus games next season, then you really should start thinking twice. I think it’s reasonable to think he’ll get games and be in competition with GEORGIEV to be Hank’s understudy...but I really think your thinking too optimistically if you believe he and Georgy can be a tandem next season...and in that note, I’ll also mention Olaf LINDBOM. I think if the Rangers were as confident as you are that Shesty would come here and jump into the starter’s position...I don’t think they would have drafted the Swede.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 3:58 pm EST

New York Islanders ‏ Verified account @NYIslanders ... #Isles Transaction: Josh Ho-Sang has been loaned to Bridgeport, Valtteri Filppula has been removed from the team’s IR list.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 3:57 pm EST

Rabid... Drink your Kool Aid and put your head back in the sand.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 3:18 pm EST

hanky hate in full bloom.....guess if he won the cup against lala , he'd still be hated.....diva ?.....it's not over until the lady sings....he's the new messier ....without a cup.....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 3:01 pm EST

TD... I don't ever underestimate the size of Hank's massive ego. If he does split time with Shestyorkin, let's see how well he handles not being the "man" anymore ....HOSPO... Buch is not hurt. Those were old articles that ESPN was pumping out earlier today like they were new, for some reason.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:57 pm EST

It's a shame about the injuries and underpefroming vets becasue a kid like Howden desperately needs a break..or maybe some time in Hartford (like they did/do with chytl and Andersson..

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:43 pm EST

Igor Shestyorkin recorded his 24th career shutout in his 110th KHL game and the @NYRangers prospect has the highest SO/GP ratio in the KHL*(* min. least 100 games played) with 0.21, The 2nd highest is Ilya Sorokin with a ratio of 0.15 #NYR

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:40 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Brendan Smith and Freddie Claesson will be the scratches tonight. That means Tony D is in. And that means four righty shots on D.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:34 pm EST

Hank is also married...Usually some influence there...At least at my house their is...Hospo...Agree on Buch...Tired of his act...Vesey not far behind.....

PJ


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:26 pm EST

Lundvqist would rather be a diva in NYC vs a last ditch attempt at finally winning a cup. Interesting...

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:25 pm EST

BUCH hurt and out? damn, that sucks..Was hoping we could trade his ass soon...He is not a player you want to move forward with..Maybe in the off-season???...Not that you;ll get all that much..maybe a diffefret (non perimiter physically weak) type of underperforming young player?...Any word on Hayes' injury??

Hospo


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:01 pm EST

Rhet0ric - OK. Let me simplify: LUNDQVIST IS GOING NOWHERE. Is that better?

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:38 pm EST

HOF in my lifetime that is, not all time.

LeoS


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:37 pm EST

TD... Let's stop romanticizing Hank wanting to stay as some noble gesture. The NYR went to Hank about waiving his NMC and he said "no." The front office then put a positive spin on it. Because what every rebuilding team really wants/needs is a 35 year old goaltender sticking around until they're competitive again. Maybe he'll still be under 40 by the time that happens.... in regard to Brodeur: his last two seasons with the NJD, he split time with Schneider. That's the perfect template for will happen with Hank. Again, if he doesn't want to be traded, he can an $8.5 MIL backup in his final season as a NYR.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:33 pm EST

TD - I've been wondering if it's more important to Hank to be a career Ranger than to bounce to another team for a shot at a Cup or to extend his NHL career. If so, he may just decide at the end of a season (say, next) to retire if he's had enough with backstopping a rebulid. I certainly can't think of any HOF (candidates/members) that are homegrown and career Rangers, so that's something. It would at least give him one thing to lord over Uncle Fatso, too :)

LeoS


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:39 pm EST

schniedw - let me ask you this: have you ever worked a job that wasn’t the best so you could live in a place that you love? Hank lives and breathes New York. He is king in the city. He has anonymity when he wants it. He has celebrity when he wants it. He’s a Rangers’ legend that is probably only supersedes by MESSIER and maybe LEETCH. Dare I say he’s even more popular than RICHTER. Let’s add onto this that the Rangers are very well known as one of the most gereous teams totheir players. These guys basically live in the lap of luxury in a city where fans, despite being passionate, care more about football and baseball...so when you suck with the Rangers, you don’t face nearly the hot seat that you do in Canada...so if you’re Lundqvist, do you give all that up to uproot your life and start over with a new organization in a new town...JUST so that you can win a cup? Hell no. The BOURQUE situation was very unique. Maybe it happens when Hank’s contract is up. Ain’t gonna happen before then tho.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:25 pm EST

Rhet0ric - 1. BRODEUR was never traded. 2. He signed on St. Louis at the age of 42. BIG difference between that and the LUNDQVIST situation. The Devils were ready to move on. Regardless, this is the Rangers and quite frankly, I don’t and never have heard as much as a slight indication or subtle hint from the organization that they are doing anything but letting Hank choose his path. And it’s actually the right thing to do. If the guy has no interest in being anywhere else...show some loyalty to him. He’s given everything he has to this organization...he should be allowed to write his last chapter...but...that feeling aside...I’m sure you read Dolan’s comment. And you can disagree with it...but if he’s saying that to a reporter? Guess what: ain’t no chance Lundqvist is leaving. Not unless he demands a trade, and that’s not happening.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:07 pm EST

Maine Mariners Hockey ‏ @MarinersOfMaine .... BREAKING: Defenseman Sean Day has been named to the 2019 CCM ECHL All-Star Classic! Day is currently on recall with the @WolfPackAHL.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:00 pm EST

RF4L - I'm guessing that's ESPN just catching up to the fact that Buch broke his thumb earlier this season? which was Rhet's point. But the 'lost year' comment may still apply...

LeoS


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:49 am EST

A lost year for Buch...

RF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:48 am EST

They're broken.... ESPN New York ‏ Verified account @ESPNNewYork .... Rangers send Spooner to Oilers for Strome http://dlvr.it/QwDfZK

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:44 am EST

ESPN has all the latest news.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 11:40 am EST

Pavel Buchnevich out 4-6 weeks with broken thumb.... http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/25255687/rangers-pavel-buchnevich-4-6-weeks?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 10:35 am EST

Stevie: the Oilers are the opposite of that. They have a loosing culture there they are still trying to change. I thought they had done so this season....but they are struggling again. That’s what I am afraid of with the Rangers. They took years to turn around the loosing culture in NY, Started with Rennet and the Czech Mates all the way through Torts and AV making the team a cup contender. If they let it slide for too long we will be suffering through another lengthy crap fest like the Oilers and like the Islanders who do seem like they have pulled out of it finally.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 9:17 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 24m24 minutes ago Culture is an overused word in sports. But there's no question things around the #Isles have changed drastically. "They believe they can win every game...That’s part of creating a winning culture. That’s starting to take roots.”

stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 9:05 am EST

mf: FWIW, Cory Pronman who is the Athletic's hockey prospects' writer, in his article about who impressed and didn't at the WJC, has placed your boy Evan Bouchard in the latter category. Here's what he said about the kid: "Bouchard entered the tournament as Canada’s No. 1 but never really took that mantle. He didn’t play poorly, I thought he defended decently and moved the puck well, but there were never moments – aside from the odd flashes – where he really stood out with his vision and offensive instincts. He will be a good NHL player, but I expected more of a guy who got as much time as he did on the first power play unit and has his offensive pedigree in junior. He and Markus Phillips (LAK) started the tournament as Canada’s top pair, but by the end of the quarterfinal it was Ty Smith (NJD) and Noah Dobson (NYI) who took the reigns." Dobson, BTW, is the kid the Islanders took with their 2nd first rounder last June. I didn't notice him early in the tourney but he did seem to get better as the tourney went on. I think the Islanders have a good one with him. Very steady with some offensive upside from what I saw.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:59 am EST

and RF$L just because you and other on here are not smart enough to look t facts doesnt make me wrong...being wrong factually like you are in this case doesn't get changed becsaue you make a snarky comment and show yourself to be an ass.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:58 am EST

rf4l: The US marketing dollars dwarf the Canadian marketing dollars. You say people in US cities don't care about hockey? Seriously mistaking percentages for viewers. yes 90% of lets say the QC area population will watch the games, that will give them some 1 million viewers....Seattle for instance will have a much lower percentage of the population watch and still have 2 million people tune in....a small market can only deliver so much bang for its size. Also you made my point for me. The Canadian national contract is huge compared to the us deal. This is a fact. But the fact also is that the individual local TV deal are bigger than the US deal, and nearly the size of the Canadian national market deal, you will not get much more money out of the canadian market. The deals are maxed out because everyone watches hockey. IN the US Kansas City for instance, is a market that has less than 1 million people watching NHL games. You put a team there you add a million viewers at least...you put in place a market that will end up with more viewers than the Canadian makes looking for a team have in populations....AND its new money, not a re-shuffle of money already being made.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:49 am EST

And on

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:48 am EST

Until recently, every Canadian team was paying into the slush fund yearly that goes to teams losing money. The drop in the Canadian dollar and Ottawa's misery may have changed that slightly, however. In addition, the Canadian TV contract is worth more to the league than the vaunted US one. Population comparisons are meaningless because in most US cities, no one gives a shit about the game of hockey in the US in most cities, especially in the south. No Quebec team because your boy Buttman continues to dream about a national TV contract to rival the other big 3 sports. Ain't gonna happen, at least not in his lifetime. And this my final post on this subject with you because you being you, you'll never agree you're wrong and you'll go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And then you'll continue.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:47 am EST

Rf4l I think the only 2 that travel with the nyr are nyp and newsday

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:30 am EST

rf4l: What I said is 100% factually correct. Canadian teams when you put into USD make less money...the Leafs are the only team that actually makes more money than the bigger US teams. There is no way a team in a market with 650K population, a 1.5 mil metro area can compete with a US based team with a 5 mil metro area.....TV money comes from viewers and potential viewers, TV deal is what makes the NHL the real money. It is what it is. The same reason Hartford will never have another NHL team..the TV markets are taken up by the Bruins, Rangers and Islanders....putting in an NHL team will not ADD anything....same way that putting an NHL team ins Quebec City for instance, would not ADD any substantial money to the NHL. However adding a team to say Kansas City would add a new market that doesn't watch much hockey. You can not argue this...its facts...its why the NHL has basically blown off Canadian cities for expansion...its not personal, its about money. If the Canadian team owners wanted a canadian team there are enough of them to face the issue, they don't even try....they don't even want another team in Canada. Shows what is most important to them...their share of revenue...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:25 am EST

rf4l: I am not making a prediction....just pointing out that it's not some sure thing like many people talk about it. Sakic is about winning the cup, he isn't about building for the future...not anymore. He is going on 5 years of running the AVS, he has very little to show for it. 2 playoff appearances (this year should be 3) but no series wins....and a couple really bad years...he needs to get something out of this team or he will end up going down as the GM who couldn't turn a team with high picks and great players into some playoff success....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:21 am EST

OAN, apparently J Quick is on the trading block...

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:20 am EST

Wild: LOLOL...ok....lol...

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:17 am EST

rf4l: Its a business so yeah lets add more US teams....its a growing market that brings in more money than the tiny canadian markets that could be added. Sure canadian media has nothing else to do with their time so they flock to NHL executives, but the US market makes the money for the NHL and drives it forward...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:15 am EST

wild: Wanna bet? I'll give you 2 to 1 odds!

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:14 am EST

stevie: I read the LB article - it made me laugh when LB said Dolans met with 2 reporters. LOL. I realize the team's out west but 2 reporters? That's how insignificant hockey is in the US. If that was a Canadian team in the doldrums like the Rangers and the owner paid a visit and made himself available to the media, there'd be tons of media folks there. Wait, Buttman should add more US based teams!!!

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:14 am EST

rf4l: Dont be so sure of that.....sakic is both slow to make moves and not the gratis GM out there....if he feels the heat he will make moves that will help NOW NOW NOW

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:12 am EST

schneidw: What Sakic won't do, I'm sure, is trade Ottawa's pick.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:12 am EST

https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-knicks-james-dolan-henrik-lundqvist-1.25667304

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:08 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/james-dolan-weighs-in-on-the-rangers-current-course/

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:07 am EST

LUNDQUVIST: Even if Lundquvist is not motivated to be traded for the sole purpose of winning a Stanley Cup before he retires and goes to the hall of fame (ala Ray Bourque).. why the F$%Q would he want to play behind the worst defense in the NHL and get bombarded every night by 40 open shots?? MAKES NO SENSE!

schneidw


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:03 am EST

MF2: found it! Right? now, the? Colorado? Avalanche are a franchise? that’s? trying to? make a consecutive Stanley Cup playoffs? appearance while? simultaneously pressing ahead? with?? one of the NHL’s more promising rebuilds. That is the clearest way to describe the potentially murky situation facing general manager Joe Sakic and his front office staff. The Avalanche are in play for another possible postseason bid. They opened December tied with the Predators atop the Central Division and Western Conference standings. Finishing the month with a 4-7-3 record earmarked by a six-game losing streak means they are clinging onto a wild-card spot in early January. It has led to a conversation regarding if Sakic should make a trade to find a second-line forward who can help create supplemental scoring, something that has become a season-long issue with the Avalanche. The Avalanche are an asset-rich franchise with draft picks and prospects they could parlay into adding a missing piece who could make the difference for the rest of this season and years to come. Should Sakic leverage a portion of his team’s future to get better now? Or is he better off continuing to build through the draft in the hopes they can find their second-line forward of the future? Essentially, it all comes back to motive and there are several to consider. Why a trade makes sense for the Avalanche If Colorado’s primary motivation is returning to the playoffs in a hectic Western Conference, Sunday proved how much things can change. The Avalanche, who were idle, entered the day as a wild card yet went to bed holding down the third spot in the Central Division after the Stars lost 5-1 to the Jets. Six points is what separates the Avalanche from the division-leading Jets. The Avs have 40 games left in the regular season. That is more than enough time for third-year coach Jared Bednar and his team to climb the standings and improve their status within the postseason landscape. The two most important factors for any general manager looking to be involved in a trade are assets and salary cap space. Sakic has both. The Avalanche have five picks in the opening three rounds of this year’s NHL Draft. More specifically, they have two first-round selections with the most notable being the Senators’ first-round pick that was acquired in the three-team Matt Duchene trade. It’s possible that particular draft pick could become a lottery selection — if not the No. 1 pick — should current projections hold. Chances are, it would take something substantial to sway Sakic into giving up what could be a franchise-altering draft pick. But what about the Avalanche’s actual first-round pick? Or the remaining three selections beyond that? It’s possible those could be in play and Sakic might use them to sweeten any potential deal with another general manager. Now let’s look at the Avalanche’s salary cap situation. They currently have $11.08 million available, according to CapFriendly. That is a healthy figure and it provides Sakic a bit of flexibility when it comes to finding the right player. And that’s maybe the most important question in all of this. Who would fit the profile of the right player for the Avalanche? The easy answer is to say someone who can drive the second line. But that’s only part of the equation. Sakic would need to find the right trade partner. That would be a team that is trying to shed salary, has an interest in obtaining more draft picks and the player in question would need to be on a cap-friendly contract. Clubs like the Flyers, Rangers and Red Wings could be possible candidates as they each feature a forward who could make a difference. Let’s start with Flyers winger Wayne Simmonds. He’s a proven second-line scorer who would provide the Avalanche with another right-handed shot beyond J.T. Compher and Nathan MacKinnon among their top-nine forwards. Simmonds, who is on pace for his sixth consecutive season of more than 20 goals, is in the final year of a deal that pays him $3.975 million annually. Rangers forward Kevin Hayes could be another option. The Avalanche could benefit from having a 6-foot-5, 216-pound center who adds size to the second line. Hayes has reached the 40-point plateau in three of the last four seasons and is on pace for a career-best 69 points. He is also on an expiring one-year, $5.175 million contract, which makes him the most expensive option. Or, in this hypothetical, Gustav Nyquist also receives consideration. Nyquist has eclipsed the 40-point barrier in each of the last six campaigns. He is projected to finish the year with 67 points. Plus, he is in the final season of his contract and earns $4.75 million annually. That makes him the most financially prudent option of the three. Striking a deal for any one of these forwards provides the Avalanche with a legitimate secondary scoring option beyond what they already have on the top line with Gabriel Landeskog, Nathan MacKinnon and Mikko Rantanen. But it also creates a numbers game issue with the forwards. The Avalanche have 13 active forwards and that could move to 14 in the coming weeks. Colin Wilson, who sustained a shoulder injury in late December, is expected to return to the lineup at some point during the Avs’ five-game Canadian trip which begins Tuesday against the Jets. Colorado has worked to keep 13 forwards on the roster and would appear set to keep that philosophy. It could lead to Sheldon Dries or Logan O’Connor returning to the AHL. Or it is possible Sakic keeps them in the NHL but chooses to move on from someone else to make way for an incoming forward should he execute a trade. Sakic and the front office have remained steadfast when it comes to building a roster constructed off the concepts of youth and speed. Nyquist turns 30 years old in September while Simmonds becomes 31 in late August. Hayes, meanwhile, turns 27 in early May. That’s not to suggest Sakic is against adding a veteran presence. He signed 28-year-old Matt Calvert and 29-year-old Ian Cole in free agency and their experience plus leadership has made them pillars in a dressing room where the average age is 25. Why a trade does not make sense for the Avalanche Adding Hayes, Nyquist, Simmonds or any forward on an expiring contract would be one more financial consideration to make for an organization already facing a rather critical summer. The Avalanche have 12 players who will be free agents and eight of them are restricted. Rantanen is in the final year of his entry-level contract and is expected to command one of the NHL’s richer deals this summer. From there, the franchise will seek to find pacts for the remaining RFAs, which includes Compher, Vladislav Kamenev, Alexander Kerfoot and Nikita Zadorov, among others. Sakic will also have a decision to make on the team’s four UFAs in winger Gabriel Bourque, defenseman Patrik Nemeth, Wilson and goaltender Semyon Varlamov. Parting ways with all four players will save the team an extra $13.28 million in cap space. That figure increases to $14.28 million with the Avalanche receiving an extra million on the second year of the Brooks Orpik contract as part of the trade to acquire Philipp Grubauer from the Capitals last summer. Re-signing a forward who came over in a trade could create more trouble for Sakic given the decisions ahead. Plus, he also has to think about the 2019-20 offseason when defenseman Samuel Girard and forward Tyson Jost conclude their entry-level contracts. Economics are one reason why to hold off on a trade. Another could be what happens with the draft. Ottawa is among a group of teams that could finish near the bottom of the standings. The Senators have the league’s worst record yet have seven other clubs all within a four-point margin. If the Senators continue their project trek, it increases their chances of “winning” the draft lottery. Should that happen, the odds are Colorado drafts Jack Hughes, who is believed to be the best draft-eligible forward since Toronto superstar center Auston Matthews in 2016. Hughes, assuming he lives up to those expectations, provides the franchise with a forward who can drive the second line and boost Colorado’s chances of being a Stanley Cup contender over the next few seasons. There is also a possibility the Avalanche receive a lottery pick that isn’t the top selection. If so, there is still a chance they draft a number of talented forwards such as Dylan Cozens, Kirby Dach or Kaapo Kakko, among others. The player selected could give the franchise a chance at developing another high-impact forward who might anchor the second line for the next few years. It would also be another step in the latest phase of Sakic’s master plan. Colorado already has a prospect core highlighted by center Shane Bowers and winger Martin Kaut in addition to defensemen Cale Makar and Conor Timmins. Bowers, Kaut and Makar are all former first-round picks while Timmins, who continues to recover from concussion-like symptoms, was the first pick in the second round in 2017. All four are expected to contend for a roster spot next preseason. Throw in whoever is selected with the Senators pick, there’s a chance the Avalanche could add four former first-rounders and a high second-rounder into the fold to begin the 2019-20 campaign. Say that happens. It dramatically alters the Avalanche’s lineup and gives Bednar more options to find the most potent second-unit combination possible for the future. Decisions. Decisions. Which one will Sakic make?

schneidw


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:00 am EST

rf4l: If you are speaking of Dolan, I think he was being a business man. He is basically saying "don't stop spending money on my product...it could be really worth it!". Its exactly what an executive of a sports team does 99% of the time. Sports teams are ALWAYS going for the cup, the Super Bowl,the World Series, the NBA title, the MLS cup, whatever it may be....they always say their team can make it...always. Do they all really think that? No, I am fairly sure they are not that stupid. But saying otherwise would be like the CEO of Ford saying "This new F-150 is sort of falling short of the Ram 1500" or Levies saying "These new pants missed the mark, Wranglers is the best product this year" Its just not going to happen, its spin spin spin all the time.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 8:00 am EST

MF: NHL Trade Big Board: 20 players who could move before the deadline Craig Custance Jan 7, 2019 203 We’re? at that? point.? Many of the? NHL’s? general managers? got together during the World? Junior Championships,? where trade talk? is?? inevitably stoked. Most teams are hosting organizational scouting meetings this week, if they haven’t already. After that input is received, trade season is open in earnest. Fun time for the fans. Stressful time for the players. And if you’re a GM, it’s as busy as it will be all year. It’s also an interesting market. Several conversations with GMs and league executives over the course of the past week or so have indicated that it’s a strong buyers market right now. As one GM put it, there’s already a lot of inventory out there and we’re early on in the process. “Half the league is a moderate to aggressive seller,” said the GM. It’s good news for potential buyers like San Jose, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Nashville, Toronto and others. Not so great if you’re trying to sell. But the high number of sellers also makes for a fascinating list of available players, one that will be ever expanding as we get closer to the Feb. 25 deadline. 1. Artemi Panarin, Blue Jackets: So, here’s what we know. The Blue Jackets and Panarin’s agent Dan Milstein are in fairly consistent communication. The lines of communication are still wide open and it’s safe to say there will be at least one more meeting in the next month or so to discuss exactly where things are. As it stands right now, Columbus hasn’t been completely, 100 percent ruled out as a long-term option for Panarin. But with that said, if he wanted to stay, it sure seems risky not to engage in serious talks to make it happen. Or better yet, already have a deal done. So yeah, it still seems like he’s a goner. That makes things interesting for the Blue Jackets. If they remain in a top three spot in the Metropolitan, it’s hard to justify trading him. He’d be like a rental addition, only one with chemistry and familiarity with the team. But what happens if things slip? “If they lost three in a row on Jan. 25 and they’re out of the playoffs? Are they trading Panarin?” wondered one executive. But even then, this still has the makings of a good team. “I still think they’re a playoff team,” said the executive. We also know that GM Jarmo Kekalainen is fearless. The consensus is that Sergei Bobrovsky is definitely gone after this season. Are they really letting two elite players leave for nothing? 2. Matt Duchene, Senators: The Senators play in Los Angeles on Thursday and it’s expected that Duchene will spend time with his representation at CAA to really get a sense of where things stand in terms of a long-term deal in Ottawa. Duchene hasn’t been ruled out staying with the Senators but there’s also no rush from him to make a decision. At some point in the next few weeks, there will be conversations between the Duchene camp and Senators GM Pierre Dorion that will provide more clarity. If those talks aren’t productive, the expectation is that Duchene shakes loose. “If it doesn’t get done, they’ll move him,” said one NHL source. 3. Mark Stone, Senators: Stone has publicly shared his opinion that he’d love to stay in Ottawa, despite the potential of being one of the top unrestricted free agents this summer. “This is the only place that I’ve ever played,” he told TSN. “I’ve loved my time here, hopefully it can continue.” Public comments aside, if a deal doesn’t get done he might be one of the best available players. He’s having his best offensive season, averaging 1.09 points per game, as one of the games better 200-foot forwards. All things considered, he’s having an unreal season. Ryan Dzingel, who has 31 points in 41 games is also a rental candidate and Cody Ceci’s name is often brought up as a trade candidate. “Ottawa is going to sell,” said an executive. “One or both of Duchene and Stone.” View image on Twitter View image on Twitter dellowhockey ? @dellowhockey Looking at some Mark Stone WOWYs and I have a theory: when he comes off the ice, are we sure Ottawa's putting someone else on to replace him? 57 9:06 AM - Jan 7, 2019 16 people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy 4. Kevin Hayes, Rangers: He’s big. He’s a center. He’s a rental. He’s everything a contending team like the Bruins or the Jets would love to plug into their lineup for the stretch run. Hayes has 33 points in 39 games and will be one of the biggest targets before the trade deadline. “He’s a really good player,” said one NHL source. “I think it’s buyer beware when he’s signing his next contract … but as a rental? Awesome. He’s not going to be a first-line center. Let’s say it’s the Bruins, he’ll be their third center. Then he’s really good.” 5. Dougie Hamilton, Hurricanes: Multiple sources confirmed that the Hurricanes are open to trading Hamilton, not necessarily because they’ve soured on him but because they’re trying to get the best possible offer for a defenseman not named Jaccob Slavin. It would be surprising if the Hurricanes don’t trade either Hamilton, Justin Faulk or Brett Pesce at some point, although the best deal might not be until the draft. Carolina wants to add scoring and also create a path for Adam Fox – the Harvard defenseman still needs to sign. Hamilton is the bigger name and puts up more offense, but teams seem to like Pesce as much or more, in part because of questions about Hamilton’s compete level on a consistent basis. “I like Pesce,” said an Eastern Conference executive. “I think he’s a really good player. I bet him, Slavin, (Sebastian) Aho and (Andrei) Svechnikov are the guys they’re trying to hold on to.” (Photo: Eric Hartline/USA TODAY Sports) 6. Wayne Simmonds, Flyers: GM Chuck Fletcher is still in evaluation mode but it’s clear something is off in Philadelphia. The Flyers can’t just run this team back again next season and signing Simmonds to an extension would cut into the flexibility to make improvements. Fletcher has a ton of respect for Simmonds and, when he was the GM in Minnesota, tried to acquire him multiple times. He also knows that cap space is finite and the Flyers already have significant cap space committed to one forward headed to his 30s in James van Riemsdyk. It would likely have to be a pretty team-friendly deal to get it done in Philadelphia. “Unless he’s got a fair contract coming, how is he not going to trade him?” asked one executive. “He’s the new GM of the team, he can’t lose him for nothing.” Simmonds would certainly look good in Nashville, a team expected to be a buyer. Nashville coach Peter Laviolette recently called out his team for soft play, an area Simmonds would definitely address. Craig Custance ? @CraigCustance Predators get a point in Detroit but Peter Laviolette unimpressed with his team’s effort. Called it awful. Said team was soft, lost every puck battle. 16 8:33 PM - Jan 4, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy See Craig Custance's other Tweets Twitter Ads info and privacy 7. Chris Kreider, Rangers: It would have to take a significant offer to lure Kreider away from the Rangers. He’s already hit 20 goals this season. He’s got another year left on a team-friendly deal that has a cap hit of $4.625 million. But Kreider may be the best example of what one GM was referring to when he pointed to the Rangers as a one-stop shop for buying teams. If you want a rental forward, they have one. If you want a veteran forward with a good contract, they have one of those too. Need help on defense? They have just about any kind of player you like there. “The New York Rangers – they have every flavor you can imagine,” said the executive. (Photo: Jonathan Kozub/NHLI via Getty Images) 8. Brayden Schenn, Blues: It might be better for headline material to put Vladimir Tarasenko in this slot but the asking price there is sky high. “I know they’d move him,” said one executive of Tarasenko. Still, that’s not an easy midseason trade to pull off. A little more realistic could be a deal involving Schenn. On some level, he’s similar to Derick Brassard last year because he’d give teams depth at center and also term beyond this season, with Schenn signed for one more year at $5.125 million. Like every potentially available center, he’ll be attached to the Bruins. His offensive production is down a touch from last season, averaging closer to his career totals of 0.62 points per game, a reasonable expectation for him. On defense, Alex Pietrangelo’s name has come up in the rumor mill but he has a no-trade so that’s not an easy one. Colton Parayko is another target for teams looking at defense. “St. Louis is always a team that is willing to make a deal,” said an NHL source. “Quite a few players there (available). They will be interesting to watch.” 9. Jake Muzzin, Kings: Nobody outside of Anze Kopitar and Drew Doughty is safe in Los Angeles, and Muzzin might be the most valuable realistic asset GM Rob Blake can move. Jeff Carter would be a great addition for contending teams but it sounds like he’s going to have a say in the process, limiting options there. Muzzin has a good contract and trade talks would have to start with a first-round pick since he’s not a pure rental. 10. Gustav Nyquist, Red Wings: Nyquist has a no-trade and hasn’t been approached yet about waiving it, but it’s still early on that front. Outside of Dylan Larkin, he’s been the Red Wings’ best forward this season, the final year of his contract that comes with a $4.75 million cap hit. He’s a legit top-six forward, who is more playmaker than goal scorer so needs the right players around him to capitalize on his skill set. The problem for Detroit is that Nyquist doesn’t necessarily stand out compared to the other available wingers. “There are a number of pieces (available) that are the equivalent to Nyquist,” said one GM. The Oilers might be a good fit for Nyquist. 11. Jesse Puljujarvi, Oilers: In the ideal world, your NHL coach is focused on winning every day and the GM has a long-term mentality, thinking about three years out. In Edmonton, there’s a lot of pressure on everyone to win now and get in the playoffs, including the GM. That makes anything possible and that includes Edmonton moving Puljujarvi, selected with the No. 4 overall pick in 2016. The preference in Edmonton would be a young player with a similar pedigree, especially one who could help more in the short term. “You would think it would have to make their team better right now,” said one executive. “(Peter Chiarelli has) got to be buying.” 12. Timothy Liljegren, Maple Leafs: It would probably be more fun to put Kasperi Kapanen in this slot but there was a bit of cold water thrown on that idea when floated to a few sources. One executive said he thought a Kapanen deal was more likely in the summer, if at all, citing the fact that Kapanen has shown an ability to score in the playoffs, something the Maple Leafs will value. Instead, a source suggested the Maple Leafs might prefer to use Liljegren to make a significant move, in part because of the emergence of Rasmus Sandin. “Sandin has done a good enough job to justify keeping him over Liljegren,” the source said. The one consensus was that at some point, either now or in the summer, Toronto GM Kyle Dubas is very likely to move a young piece of the puzzle in Toronto. “I don’t care what Kyle Dubas says, there’s no way they can keep them all,” said an executive. 13. Micheal Ferland, Hurricanes: Carolina is already getting calls on Ferland, an unrestricted free agent who is due a big raise after this season. The Hurricanes like Ferland but not at the expected price he is likely to cost in his next deal. He’s got size, playoff experience and a small cap number. It wouldn’t be surprising at all if the Penguins, always aggressive to improve their team under GM Jim Rutherford, were interested. 14. Mats Zuccarello, Rangers: Zuccarello’s numbers are down, with the winger averaging just 0.50 points per game, well below his career average of 0.67. But it was interesting to read his comments to Larry Brooks in the New York Post that his availability on the trade market may have something to do with his on-ice production. “People can say that I’m making enough money that I shouldn’t let any of this affect me, but I’m sorry, I have been here for nine years and I am human,” Zuccarello told Brooks. “It’s a tough situation but it’s also no excuse for me.” 15. Nino Niederreiter, Wild: Minnesota GM Paul Fenton is an interesting one to watch because he came in with the expectation that comes with any new GM – that changes will be made. But the team playing now is essentially the same one as previous versions. The consensus is that Niederreiter and Charlie Coyle can be had, but it likely will extend beyond that depending on how the Wild fare in the coming weeks. Eric Staal and Eric Fehr are traditional rentals who could hit the market if Minnesota remains outside the playoff race. One executive lamented the high prices being asked by Fenton for Wild players, which might explain the lack of movement right now with the Wild. (Photo: Eric Bolte/USA TODAY Sports) 16. Jimmy Howard, Red Wings: At first glance, Howard is your traditional rental. Veteran player on an expiring contract from a rebuilding team that will soon be ready to sell. But starting goalies aren’t easy trades to pull off near the deadline. The buyers are buyers because they’re in a playoff spot and likely have been getting good goaltending to get there. Those teams won’t pay a premium for insurance in goal. The Red Wings like Howard. They’d like to bring him back after this season. There isn’t a lot of internal interest in trading him for a third-round pick or whatever a team looking for insurance might pay. So, really, the scenario where a Howard trade is most likely comes only if a contending team loses their starting goalie to injury and is willing to pay a premium (like, say, a first-round pick) to acquire Howard. 17. Andre Burakovsky, Capitals: Burakovsky is 23 years old, is set to be a restricted free agent after this season and is an intriguing name who is available. He’s been passed in Washington by Jakub Vrana and scouts will tell you that they’re not sure which Burakovsky is going to show up on a given night. But when he’s going, he can be a difference maker. There’s definitely some intrigue here. The Capitals, according to multiple sources, are looking for a similar aged young player in return at this point. If the best offer is for futures, that’s a deal more likely to happen at the draft. 18. Trevor Daley, Red Wings: Daley is out with a broken foot but should be back in early February, plenty of time to be a target before the trade deadline. He has one year left on his contract that comes at a reasonable $3.16 million cap hit per season, a number that could be sweetened even more with some salary retention. When healthy this season, Daley performed under his standard but that can be attributed, in part, to cycling through partners without a ton of NHL experience. He’s still a great skater with multiple Stanley Cups who would fit seamlessly into any dressing room. A second-round pick and decent prospect probably gets it done. 19. Alec Martinez, Kings: Martinez is out with an upper body injury but he’s closing in on a return. He’s not flashy but he’s consistent and comes on a reasonable contract worth $4 million per season through 2020-21. The price point might be less than Muzzin too, with a second-round pick and good prospect the expected asking price here. 20. Nick Jensen, Red Wings: He might actually be the most appealing of the Red Wings’ rentals. He probably isn’t going to cost a ton but is the kind of player who can play a key part without giving up the farm. “I like him,” said one contending GM. There’s a lot to like. He’s still just 28, he’s a right-handed shot and is a great skater. He’s a rock-solid addition to any team’s bottom pair and the Red Wings haven’t ruled out a contract extension, but The Athletic’s Max Bultman reported last week that there have not been any significant talks yet. (Main photo by Jared Silber/NHLI via Getty Images)

schneidw


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:59 am EST

MF: Is the one your looking for????

schneidw


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:56 am EST

https://twitter.com/aj_ranger/status/1082621741468393473

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:50 am EST

THinking the Rangers are gonna make the POs this year: Step up and accept your Dumbass of the Year award.

rF4l


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:22 am EST

mf: Any article about trading Hank withought even coming up with anything about his NMC is a poorly written article. And before you said they said send him somewhere to win the cup....remember the cup is something he would like, his biggest dream growing up has already be realized when he won gold...he sees just as much in being a Ranger for life as winning the cup. He may look back and wonder if he should have moved on but at least now he feels like he wants to remain a Ranger. It’s not NY it’s not the big city, it’s not good team vs bad....it being with one team his entire career. For whatever reason he is really stuck on that. His competitiveness may push him to leave after a long summer and a start of next season looking like it’s headed to another long summer....but like I keep saying. He dedicated himself to this Rangers team, with no wiggle room around how he did so, just a few months ago. He is here for this season, most likely hear for this off season. I really think the soonest he would accept a trade or ask for one would be next deadline. And you know what might push it along? His teammates. Not because they want him gone, but because they respect him....and the guys who want to compete will respect he stuck with them knowing it would be rough. Those guys will want to see him hoist the cup, that might be what gets him in the frame of mind to go try to get one. Same thing for Staal, there has not been the noise about him but clearly he wants to remain a Ranger or he would be gone. He may be more inclined to chase a cup if the team pushes him to. Both I think however in that case would go as rentals in their last years....a cup contender wouldn’t need Hank unless their goalie went down or something like that....timing wise. Maybe after next season in the offseason as well, but I just don’t see Hank moved this season or this summer.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:06 am EST

Rhet: 100% it matters what Hank feel or wants in regards to being traded. If he doesn’t want to be traded, he will not be traded. End of story. The Rangers are contractually obligated to keep him on their active roster unless the buy him out. At the same time I fully believe that if he decides he wants to be traded the team will do everything in its power, within reason of course, to facilitate that trade. How he feels about being traded dictate whether or not he will be traded.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 8 2019 7:01 am EST

If the nyr wanted to trade hanky, the mighty Quinney would be told not to play him so much. And even then I don’t think hanky would agree to be traded. I’m not sure what his agreement says but I doubt he leaves. A reduced role if Georgie boy can handle it might happen. But I don’t think they want another EDDIE chant. Eventually they will raise his number to the rafters.

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 8 2019 6:38 am EST

Newfie- that’s funny about the Leaf pp. I watch NHL.com highlights all the time when Tampa plays, and it seems most games they are netting 4 or 5 or 6 goals, and getting a pair on the pp. Their triangle of Hedman at the top, with Kuch and Stamkos on the off-wings is damn near unstoppable. Like having 2 Ovechkins. They look for seams in the middle for cross-ice passes, and the goalie has to cheat to combat the one timer that comes from both sides. The goalie can’t get back across in time if Stamkos or Kucherov fake it and go cross ice to each other. Let’s hope they continue to roll to the Cup and we’ll take that first rounder.

Puckyou


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:28 am EST

Also, Hank at 36 is the same age that GRETZKY was when he played his first season for the NYR, coming here as an UFA. I find that a very interesting parallel.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 2:15 am EST

TD.... If Martin Brodeur can be traded, any goalie can be traded. It doesn't matter what Hank thinks or wants. If Shestyorkin gets here and he's lights out in he preseason, I believe he will play more than a regular backup. That leads to Hank playing less. Add to it the constant losing this season and we'll see how long it takes for Hank to change his mind. Maybe he'll want to stick around to be Shestyorkin's backup. We'll see how long he's happy doing that.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:55 am EST

mf - you can post whatever you want. I just find the speculation about trading Hank to be ludicrous on a level that is off the charts. It's like saying "what if the Rangers could trade for Gretzky, circa 1986." Um OK. What if. Are we having fun in this fantasy? Can we throw a couple of hot young strippers who like to screw into the mix while we're at it? Maybe a few kegs of high-test IPA and a few casks of bourbon? Rangers asked Hank. Hank said no. Rangers said OK. Why would they revisit that now? Someone said Dolan thinks we can make the POs with Hank? Oh man, that's another 5,000-gallon tank of flame retardant on the small campfire of Hank trade rumors.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:48 am EST

Couple thoughts on the slide and last night in no particular order...Raise your hands if you think the Rangers are a deep, talented team...I don't see many hands out there...so what happens when a team that is young and shallow in the established talent category loses its second line center? Didn't we watch this one last year?...But let's not heap too much on the impact of losing HAYES...Let's look at this pesky little fact: The Rangers have skated the past three games with three rookies in the center...CHYTIL, HOWDEN and NIEVES...we can argue about whether any or all of them have an NHL future in the middle...but it's safe to say that NONE of them are ready for that number two spot...So what happens when you hand the keys of the family's five speed roadster to the pre-teen without a license? Yup. You're gonna take some dings...I'm not going to advocate for the Ranger D. SHATTENKIRK has been horrendous.,.SKJEI can't string together two good periods, much less a couple good games...PIONK, on any other team, would barely be clutching onto a spot in the top four...Ditto with STAAL, and they're the best of the bunch...SMITH, it's safe to say, has rocks for brains...and CLAESSON, while a good seventh defender, is...well...a good seventh defender...McQUAID is the only guy on the team that gives iClod a run for his money in for the Slowest Skater in the NHL award...and DeANGELO is the only guy on the team that gives Smith a run for the "rocks for brains" award...BUT THAT SAID...absolutely no defense...not even Tampa's elite defense...would look good when you have three kids skating pivot with about a 120 NHL games combined between them...It's easy to heap the shortcomings on the D. But start breaking down the video and you start seeing how painfully overmatched they are in the middle...The Hayes Effect...Did I hear someone say the Rangers look slow? Anemic? Huh. Why would that be? Could it have anything to do with the two guys who can barely get out of first gear being in the lineup? You say "But tdchi...iClod barely skates 10 minutes. And Quaider ain't racking up big minutes either..." Well the minutes they skate are minutes where they're simply not going to have possession of the puck too often. And take 10 minutes of puck possession out of the game? Well, that's half a period. That 16 percent of the game. That's a big fucking problem...I can't stress this enough: Today's NHL has no room for slow skaters...And I actually like McQUAID...but man, is he slow. Just a pylon out there...does their physical play make up for that dearth of speed? Well, let's look at the past three games they've been in the lineup together...The criticism of QUINN...Sweet MOTHER of JESUS. I can't even believe that 40 games into a season most of you are calling a "rebuild" we have folks questioning whether he's the right coach...I guess I simply don't get this...I really don't. I don't need to explain the vast disparity between him and VIGNEAULT...there's been a HUGE change at the top...and it's gonna take time for it to ripple through the lineup...I can't say if he's the right coach...but I sure as shit don't have enough info to call him the wrong coach...His first year at BU was absolutely dreadful...He took over a program that was basically in shambles...they had suffered some black eyes on and off the ice...and Quinn turned that shit-show around in short order...granted, he had EICHEL one of those seasons...but the Quinn Effect was real...real enough that Team USA picked him as their coach for the World Juniors. That's a big f'ing endorsement right there...and you know what? I bet the US would be wearing gold right now if he HAD coached the team...Quinn is getting through to some players(see: NAMESTNIKOV, HAYES) and not others(BUCHNEVICH)...and if you ask me...I know...you didn't...the deals that will be made in the coming months will reveal the guys Quinn sees as core players on this team...And that brings me to my last point: Hockey is a tough sport physically and mentally...it's easy to get that monkey on your back and it's goddamn hard to get it off...you lose confidence and it shows...The Rangers' confidence is shot...and it's compounding another serious problem, which is that with every loss there are five pundits and 500 fans screaming and bitching about who is gonna get traded...that's pressure on top of pressure...if your a guy like ZUCCARELLO, who pretty much knows he's gone...it's like being at the job you've worked at all your life and KNOWING...full well...that at some point, there's gonna be a call...and you're going to pack your shit for some unknown destination...that shit wears on players...and you better believe it's wearing on the Rangers as the deadline nears...These last three games you can say they played without passion...you can also flip it around and say they played totally absent of confidence. I'd say it's a little of both.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:26 am EST

TD: would you prefer the article not be posted?

mf


Tue Jan 8 2019 1:21 am EST

Here's the 411 on LUNDQVIST: You can want him to be traded. You can wish for it to happen. You can pray for him to be traded. You can babble on about the injustice of him not being traded. You can pen a 10,000-word treatise outlining the multitude of reasons he should be traded...but if you HONESTLY THINK Lundqvist is going to be traded? Step up and get your Dumbass of the Year award. It's never gonna happen.

tdchi


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:17 am EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/barrymbloom/2019/01/07/henrik-lundqvist-should-be-traded-as-new-york-rangers-collapse-continues/#634418a5f635

mf


Tue Jan 8 2019 12:11 am EST

Anyone subscribe to the Athletic? Do they mention trading with the NYR's in this article? https://theathletic.com/752472/2019/01/07/are-the-avalanche-at-a-point-where-they-can-start-making-trades/

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 11:53 pm EST

All this positive energy has me thinking we should make Sakic an offer he can't refuse for the Ottawa pick and then tank but good... Found this article from Dec. 24th which suggests the AV's should go for KEVIN HAYES... https://www.isportsweb.com/2018/12/24/opinion-the-colorado-avalanche-should-trade-for-kevin-hayes/

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:58 pm EST

NC- If Henrik keeps playing like he has been, we will get a top three pick. I don't understand why many people think he's playing so well. I have centre ice and watch many many games. He makes some good saves as every goalie in the league does but believe me at this point in his career, he is nothing special despite what NY media and some fans claim. I wonder how many games of other teams these people are watching, I suspect none or not very many!

MC


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:52 pm EST

I tell ya, that Dolan guy sure knows hockey and basketball too! Not! What a moron.

MC


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:51 pm EST

Dolan is a fuckin idiot that is so detached from this team and it's blatantly obvious. The only thing Lundqvuist's potential play will provide is a draft pick outside the top ten. A spot in the playoffs?!...bwahaha

NCRanger


Mon Jan 7 2019 9:41 pm EST

TOO..... News: Miller named HCA National Rookie of the Month for December.... https://uwbadgers.com/news/2019/1/7/mens-hockey-miller-named-hca-national-rookie-of-the-month-for-december.aspx

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 9:35 pm EST

Trade......you may wanna get back on board and take another cruise. We are in a tail spin to say the least.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Jan 7 2019 9:20 pm EST

hey......I just got back from the ......cruise ......I missed the last 6 or so games....how have the Rangers been playing? Happy new Year...btw

tradestar28


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:54 pm EST

Hey Jim, It's 2018, I don't think you'll find to many teams that will purposefully throw a game for you. You'll find teams that don't care, but intentionally throwing games is whole other animal entirely.... PER Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ..... James Dolan on the state of the Rangers.... https://twitter.com/ColinASteph/status/1082452974708744192

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:24 pm EST

Dolans is an idiot.

RF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:23 pm EST

I get to watch a lot of Leafs games and boy is that Badcock stubburn with his PP. He absolutely refuses to switch Marner and Matthews to their off wings. Time and time again they are never in a position for a one-timer and don't even get a shot .Mostly all of the best teams switch. TO is 11th in the league at 23.9% with those 5 guys . He even does it when the 2nd line comes out with Nylander and Marleau……..Yikes,com'on Mike give in bye.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:09 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... Hey all, just to make it clear, the owner doesn't ignore the fact that the team is rebuilding. The owner just believes that playing competitive hockey and doing the best you can to compete is part of the development process. Hope that helps.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:07 pm EST

Rhet: Yeah, that is true, however teams don't make their final offers until things start getting closer, offers are few and far between until after the new year. I don't think there are "blow you away" offers anymore, its too much of a game they play, everyone starts low, sellers always start higher than high, no one wants to blink first....there condo be a really good offer sitting out there and Gorton is taking a risk but one he feels is worthy of that risk. I also think they wanted to do their due diligence on getting a new deal in place, because if they can get him at a really good price they will keep him...at least for now....

Wildcard


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:04 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph ....James Dolan and Jeff Gorton checking out practice Monday. Dolan said he isn’t alarmed by the three-game losing streak in which they’ve been outscored 18-3. It’s “an opportunity to learn,” he said ....ALSO.... By the way, forgot to mention that DQ said he'll be changing the defense tomorrow "based on performance.'' But he wouldn't tell us who is out and who is in.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:02 pm EST

PAL.... IMO, HAYES is actually hurt. He's the type of player that you keep as close to the deadline as possible to get the max return. I'd think we'd only trade him now if we got blown away with an offer. If we did get blown away now with that offer, he'd already be gone.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 7:58 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... James Dolan watched the Rangers practice Monday. He thinks they can compete for a playoff spot because they have Lundqvist. The Knicks don’t have an equivalent player to him and that’s the difference between the teams, he said.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 7:18 pm EST

Is HAYES really hurt or is there a deal or a contract extension in the works? I agree with mf on McQUAID (714) I think he helps SKEJ and he’s respected!

Pal17


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:52 pm EST

It would ne foolish for Habs to trade a 1st for a rental because 1 they aren't cup contenders and 2 they're rich - PO revenue isn't a make or break scenario for them.

RF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:42 pm EST

Newf: I would trade McQuaid to get a draft pick, but I'd also like to resign him for next season... I think we're paying him $2.75 mill, but he's worth it considering he's a RHS & a Vet presence.

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:27 pm EST

Count me in to wave bye-bye to Tony D as well,lots of young D comin' but Shatty gotta go too,just a bust all around.

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:22 pm EST

For our West Coast Contingency: https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/anaheim-is-falling-fast-and-searching-for-answers-but-dont-write-the-ducks-off-just-yet

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:08 pm EST

NHL Prospects Watcher ‏ @Prospects_Watch ....Bergevin: "I'm not giving up a 1st RD pick for a rental, it's not happening." #Habs... This was in response to a good question by Arpon Basu who asked, yes you have said you will not mortgage the future, but to what extent, don't you feel like you owe the guys in the room some help?

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 5:50 pm EST

Hank won't notice any difference with the number of chances given up in the All-Star game....

PJ


Mon Jan 7 2019 5:45 pm EST

News: Another player drops out of the NHL All Star Game and gets a 1 game suspension. This time Carey Price of Montreal.....Henrik Lundqvist now has a 3.04 GAA and .909 save percentage this season. Both the worsts of his career

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 5:33 pm EST

Fishsticks playing well...Hop-Sing even in the lineup...We will find out more twice this week....

PJ


Mon Jan 7 2019 5:29 pm EST

Isles have damn good coach.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 7 2019 5:10 pm EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏Verified account @BrettCyrgalis 6h6 hours ago And these guys have won six in a row and 8-of-9. No need for #Isles to change much... Lee-Nelson-Eberle Beauvillier-Brazil-Bailey Komarov-Filppula-Ho-Sang Martin-Cizikas-Clutterbuck

stevielegs


Mon Jan 7 2019 4:43 pm EST

I would take Shatty over DeAngelo every day of the week. And that is an indictment on how bad I think deangelo is. No sense whatsoever. Shat hasn’t established himself and looks like a shell of the player he was but DeAngelo is an AHL all star.

E


Mon Jan 7 2019 4:38 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... James Dolan watched practice and spoke to reporters today. I have to transcribe later and will file a story on what he said, but a couple points... ... Dolan is happy with coach David Quinn... happy with the rebuild so far... none of his teams will ever tank. More later.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 4:29 pm EST

John Giannone ‏ Verified account @jaygeemsg .... From #NYR practice today in Las Vegas: Kevin Hayes didn’t skate & won’t play tomorrow. G Alex Georgiev will start vs Golden Knights. Said David Quinn re: Henrik Lundqvist: “He’s no more frustrated than any one of us...But we can’t feel sorry for ourselves here...”

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 4:12 pm EST

RF4L... In regard to Spooner: He's already been on the outs in EDM. This is the second time he's been a healthy scratch and they've already offered him around the league with zero interest.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:57 pm EST

Tony D is better than Shatt in every way right now except salary.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:56 pm EST

Wild: This is in response to your post from 10.36 last night. I do not want DQ to fail. In fact I liked him and what he had to say right out of the box. But what he said from the very beginning many times over has not translated to the ice IMO. You state they exceeded all expectations early season. In what way ? They received many points for a tie or shoot out win ? They have been living off of Hank from the get go while being mostly out shot and out played. Yea they blew quite a few leads this year and have failed to address it successfully and that's on the staff. Either way I don't think they played very well even early on. If a coach comes in and announces his team will be relentless, drive to the net, and be difficult to play against every night the least we could expect is to at least see it on a somewhat consistent basis. Are they a hard team to play against ?Definitely has not been the case. So to me that is a red flag. There are not enough established players here to not listen or play the way a new coach wants them to. He's asking for them to play the simplest of style and they are not responding for whatever reason. If that doesn't concern you it does me. You say it's not a coaching issue when a player blows a coverage, don't fight through a check, or hustle on a back check. Maybe not after a time or two, but for most of the season ? Were in January. Coaches job is to get through to his players and make them into his vision. It looks to me like they are tuning him out to be honest which is why the organization must be sure this guy is the right coach before tearing it up more. His coach speak over and over is getting old already IMO.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:51 pm EST

Guess who's fallen out of favour already in Edmonton? Ryan Spooner - he was a healthy scratch yesterday. If he doesn't figure things out soon (and there's no reason to suspect he will) you'll be able to stick a fork(er) in Spooner's NHL career.

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:24 pm EST

Hospo: If management feels as you do (that DeA is a disaster and he's shit) he should be waived to Hartford yesterday and if he gets lost to another team, who cares? I suspect, however, that's not how management feels. Yet. This year is lost - what's the point in him sitting so many games? Play him or cut him.

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:22 pm EST

Steve Kournianos ‏ @TheDraftAnalyst .... The Rangers have broken down everywhere, but this is not on the rookie coach.... There is no lineup change or on-ice tactic that will stop the bleeding. This roster was designed to fail for strategic purposes ie. deadline firesale, clear more cap room, draft another lottery pick..... NYR already asked Lundqvist to waive his NTC and he refused, as @NYP_Brooksie reported in late October. Only harm in keeping him around for a lengthy rebuild is that he alone will prevent a bottom-3 finish. But Gorton still can free up money by trading almost everyone else.... I think NYR’s rebuild will extend deep into next year as well because the 2020 draft is looking better than 2019 from a forward perspective. Plus Shattenkirk (MNTC), Staal (NMC) and Smith (MNTC) will each have one year left under contract by the 2020 trade deadline.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:20 pm EST

E: With Skjei, Staal and Claessen in the team, the Rangers would not icing a defense of kids.

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:11 pm EST

RF4L - you dont trade Smith or Shatt just so DeAngelo can play..yes, shitt and smith should be gone as soon as possible but DeAngelo is a defensive disaster and should be part of any dump off..younger is not better, at least in his case....Tha Hayes stuff is disturbing in any event, especially if a decision had been made to trade him..

Hospo


Mon Jan 7 2019 3:02 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Jim Dolan, who’s been out west with Knicks, checks in on his hockey team at today’s practice in Vegas. Had been on schedule long before this NYR crash.... https://twitter.com/NYP_Brooksie/status/1082365597059436544

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 2:59 pm EST

Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Hayes not on for Rangers. So it’s day- to-days for No. 13.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 2:37 pm EST

RF: regardless of any deals being made Gorton isn’t stupid enough to ice a team of kids. The NHL is not a development league. He will look to get serviceable NHL players in return. Hopefully with short term and cap friendly deals. I know he’d like to get out from under the likes of Smith’s toxic contract. But if we expect the likes of Howden and Hijak to jump into the holes of another purge? That is just making a bigger mess of things. At the end of this summer I would expect this team to be in its best shape developmentally in maybe since forever. It’s all about patience and a natural progression. Given what was added this season and likely Hijak and Krapshoot have a chance to join. And perhaps the hockey Gods smile and award is a franchise worthy player ready to go out of the draft like Kaakakakako. You add another 3-yutes next season and this franchise should be pointed well on its way towards where it needs to be. Optimistic blowing sunshine stuff? Sure... but right now? For me it’s steady as she goes. Let everything grow naturally. Right now the biggest issue is that the young ain’t ready for prime time. Cheeto is having trouble finding the net. Howden has hit the wall. Buchnevich doesn’t have his momentum back. Hayes has masked a lot deficiencies. A testament to how good he has been.

E


Mon Jan 7 2019 2:07 pm EST

And AFAIC, it's time Gorton shopped Smith and Shattenkirk for whatever he can get, preferably without salary retention. It really doesn't matter the return - get them off the team so DeA can play regularly. Once McQuaid goes (it's seems like a no-brainer that he'll be relatively easy to move given his experience, style of play and pending UFA) call up Hajek and/or Lindgren from Hartford. I'd rather see them playing and learning than these guys who aren't going to be anymore than they are and are really just taking up space now.

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 1:45 pm EST

What about a goalie?!?! Apparently, it's all but decided that Bobandnob will not be back in Columbus next year. How about Bobnob for the King, with the Rangers eating 1/3 of the latter's salary and the BJs sending along their first round pick and a top prospect? Lundqvist - tell Gorton you're open to that. You can go back to play with Torts!

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 1:43 pm EST

Look at this rather interesting statement from a league executive regarding trade possibilities with the Rangers: The Rangers are a one-stop shop for buying teams. If you want a rental forward, they have one. If you want a veteran forward with a good contract, they have one of those too. Need help on defense? They have just about any kind of player you like there. The New York Rangers – they have every flavor you can imagine."

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:45 pm EST

The only way I could stomach Lucic is if he were on the Wolf Pack because he sucks. He’s an anchor, he has no hands, his physical dimension is fading (ed.) no thanks. This team collectively skates in neutral as it is. They need guys with wheels. 200’ guys. Not a guy like Lucic who arrives 200’ after his line mates have already finished their shifts and are drinking Gatorade on the bench shining their brain buckets. Ugh. The horror.

E


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:38 pm EST

Per Elliotte Friedman ‏ .... Schmaltz (STL), Scherbak (LA), Wideman (FLA) all cleared waivers.... Schlemko (MON) on waivers today.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:52 am EST

mf: Buttman frowns on teams making trades during the all-star break, lest it take the attention away from the wonderful spectacle!

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:51 am EST

Lucic has 4 more years after this one at $6,000,000/per on that ridiculous contract. The only way I could stomach Gorton dealing for him is if the Oilers eat $2,000,000 of it. And of course, the return coming back to the Rangers would be upped because of taking on that salary...

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:46 am EST

Bob: Edmonton lost to L.A. over the weekend by the same score, caused for a double-take, & had to re-read your post to realize the game was against Anaheim... Anywho, I guess we look to the All-star break in anticipation of trades...

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:10 am EST

Edmonton beat Anaheim 4-0 last night and Lucic was barely noticeable. Lindholm hit McDavid a couple feet from the boards in what looked dangerous. Not much of a response from the Oilers, which was surprising. Talbot looked like he did when he as a Ranger. He played very well. I continue to wait for the Zuccarello for Puljujarvi deal.

Bob


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:07 am EST

RDW: there are a lot of sellers every year. Just need to do a good job as GM and sell your player....I am sure all the GMs have already started that process and we will soon find out who the good negotiators are. I have faith....Gorton got quite the haul for the falling from grace oft injured Nash last year.

Wildcard


Mon Jan 7 2019 10:00 am EST

Looking like there might be a lot of sellers at the deadline this year, which isn’t good for us. Ferland and Eberle seem to be popping up as goners come Feb. 25

RDW


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:19 am EST

That game was Saturday night...

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 8:18 am EST

FWIW, huge outcry in Edmonton, originated by the Edmonton based media, over Lucic and his ineffectiveness. Apparently this time it stems from his lack of response in the LA game where Connor McDavid was physically targeted and Lucic didn't respond. The media's accusation is that's because he has friends on the LA team. Now it's being speculated he's formally asked to be traded.

rF4l


Mon Jan 7 2019 6:49 am EST

Hospo they are mentally and physically in a funk, and that includes the mighty Quinney and his assistants. It’s a confidence crisis with a physical in-fluenza. Zucchini is just waiting for the trade and it’s affecting his leadership and game , and it’s contagious. Fishpie has them in a bad state of deadlineitis again.

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 7 2019 2:05 am EST

Tankathon.com has the Rangers with an 11.4% chance of a top three pick and a 3.5% chance at the top pick. How important is finishing lower? If the Rangers finish where “The Athletic” predicts, they will have a 23.3% shot at a top three pick and a 7.5% shot at the #1 pick. The team that finishes last overall has a 49.4% shot at a top three pick and an 18.5% shot at the #1 pick. It matters.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 1:19 am EST

RFCCJCCBA Club?

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 1:02 am EST

MF... Yes, you can retain salary on a particular player twice. Here are the basic rules of thumb to follow from the CBA.... 1-Salary’ refers to remaining base player salary and bonuses, including signing bonuses.... 2-The percentage retained cannot be more than 50 percent of the salary and cap hit.... 3-The same percentage must be retained for both salary and cap hit. This cannot be altered from year to year.... 4-Teams are limited to three retained salary contracts each season.... 5-Teams cannot retain more than an aggregate amount of 15 percent of the salary cap upper limit. In 2014-15 that number is $10.35 million.... 6-A player’s contract can only be traded twice in a retained salary transaction.

Rhet0ric


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:52 am EST

Cja club

Stevielegs


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:49 am EST

Thank God I missed that game! I'm actually in Phoenix and was supposed to be in yesterday for the game today but had a snag...glad i wasnt there! from the testiness on the Wall..sounds as ugly as it can get..Look we all know talentwise that this isnt a great team but no way should they be the disgrace they have been for the last 4 games..It's on DQ..It's on the vet "leaders" ..It's on every single player..which puts the puck in Gordo the Clown's court...you dont do a trade for trade sake but someyhing has to be done..even if to change the mix/atmosphere/whatever......It's not an easy situation..Have siad all along that Hayes is the teams best forward and thaat I would rather see the Rangers extend him then trade him for what I think will be an un-impactful return...But, if you cant re-sign him, you trade him..and soon (if healthy)...To me, the only deals that will make any diffence to the talent base of the Rangers, IMWO, are the under control players like Kreider and ZBAD..but how low do you want to go??? yes, they ar bad NOW but how low do you want to go and for how long?...While Gordo is figuring out what "this" is... maybe you start with somebody like ZUcc, Smith, SHatt..even a talented but very frustrating/inconsistent/non-DQ Buchniveich and change the damn team

Hospo


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:48 am EST

RE: Buyouts: just curious, it came to mind when thinking about possible trade scenarios and trade partners... I have another question for you: "IF" we were to take on a contract, let's use Lucic as an example; let's say that EDM ate $1mill per of Lucic's salary, do you know whether we could then trade Lucic and be willing to eat (let's say) $500K of his salary so that the recipient team got Lucic at $4.5mill ? t/y

mf


Mon Jan 7 2019 12:48 am EST

Report: NHL, NHLPA to Meet This Week to Discuss Collective Bargaining Agreement.... https://twitter.com/SInow/status/1082124718138900485

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:55 pm EST

MF ... The first rule of CBA Club is, you don't talk about CBA Club... Also, why the questions about how many buyouts anyway?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:22 pm EST

Rhet: You guys have some trans-Atlantic study the CBA Club? Must be exclusive. :-)

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:06 pm EST

MF... When I say there's no limit, at least there's nothing in the CBA about it. That doesn't mean there's not some document else that addresses it further. I will say, to the best of my knowledge... You can also ask OLA.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:02 pm EST

MF... There are a number of restrictions on buyouts (ie. what time of the year you can do them, etc.), but there is no limit on how many you can do. They are generally cost prohibitive and that helps keep the number down. JMO, but considering we don't need to buy anyone out for the expansion draft, I don't see us doing any unless another team paid us to.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:53 pm EST

mf: thats the thing I have been working to find info on. I cant find a number. I did send a messengered over to the cap friendly people, waiting to hear back from them. Once they respond i will post that to the wall...I imagine they will know, I mean they do cap stuff.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:43 pm EST

Rhet: I have asked this of you before, probably more than once. Do you happen to know how many contracts a team can carry as "buyouts or bought out" at a given time? t/y

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:41 pm EST

rf4l: Issue is the vets that would normally be the ones to go out and do what the coach said like Zucc, are facing the issues with not being focused...I think that makes it harder. Yeah they might echo his words, but then they go out and lay an egg...their minds are not sharp...thats why the trades need to happen...then the remains guys can just focus on the job at hand, and not be concerned with living their families, a new team, uncertainty of their future home, all that crap.....thats not easy for anyone, regardless of how much money you get paid. Players say the first time you get traded is the worst...and for the guys we are talking about being traded, all of them have never gone through it. The lesser named guys who may get traded really haven't slipped, but they also cant really lead the way, they havent been around all that long to overcome the long term vets who are struggling. Again, I would bet that the team plays better once the trades are all done for the season. Not that they will suddenly string wins together, but I ver the on ice product looks better...more stable and more like what we saw earlier in the season when the hard work was there and the mistakes were kept to a minimum shift to shift.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:36 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: I think that you must be wanting DQ to be a failure....its the only explanation....yeah the past few games have sucked...but lets not forget they exceeded all expectations early in the season. SO what has changed? Well zucc is falling apart due to the trade stuff. Young players are being exposed as young players....as is expected as their first season moves along. Other players clearly are not engaged in the games, and likely again due to trade stuff. No player feels safe I am sure, save those guy sleek Staal and hank with full NMC in their deals...everyone else could be moved to at least some list of teams without being asked before hand. This isn't becsaue DQ cant handle the job, or doesnt know what he is doing. Yeah is he making some mistakes as he is learner to be an NHL head coach? Of course he is, he is brand new, half way through his first season behind an NHL bench...he will have ups and downs. e knew he would, the brass knew he would, every one of us here should have known he would. But its far FAR FAR too early to pass any kind of judgment on his abilities. Was the team playing hard the way DQs NCAA teams always applied and playing within a system really well for the fist 30% or so of the season a fluke? I would say that would be hard to justify saying. But It wouldn't be so hard to think that right now there are a lot of external factors at play "helping" the team lose. But we need to sit back and see how he handles this adversity....again like I posted earlier, they are not coaching issues when player blows a coverage, or miss the net on a chance, or don't fight through a check or hustle on the back check. You cant bench half the players for a period, so there is little to do in game....and you cant scratch the entire team, so there is little any coach could do. Melting the paint off the walls won't do anything either...a lot fo this downturn is due to tree from the trade stuff, adding more stress isn't the right answer. I don't think there is one for the coaching staff or team leaders....hell they are the ones for the most part most affected by the trade issues....this is something the GM needs to handle, the trades need to happen, they need to get past this part of the season as soon as possible. Letthe team get back to "normal" and in a rhythm that they know wont be so disrupted by trades.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:36 pm EST

MF.... I think you've asked this before. In fact, I think it was about GIRARDI's contract buyout... You cannot trade a bought out contract. Currently, that only exists in the NBA(see cap exceptions). You can trade an injured guy or even a retired guy (ie. PRONGER), but there has to be a player attached to said contract.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:33 pm EST

Rhet: Could be. I hope you're right. I cannot comment on how Torts handled situations like this as the Ranger coach (or since) other than to say he already had a Stanley cup on his resume, meaning there's a certain level of respect that can be leaned on in times like this. DQ doesn't remotely have that.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:31 pm EST

Oops....hit spray too soon. Meant to conclude that if the situation goes on too long the coach loses the respect of all and sometimes can never get it back, especially when it's a coach with no NHL head coaching track record.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:29 pm EST

Step: At this point I'm not sharing your skepticism of DQ, although I respect your concern/opinion. I am thinking more along the lines of an NHL inexperienced head coach where clearly whatever he's saying/preaching is, right now, falling on deaf ears. That issue starts with the leadership crew - anyone who's played competitive team sports (regardless of the level) should recognize that - if the team leaders, who always are the veterans, aren't buying in the rest of team doesn't either.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:27 pm EST

RF4L... IMO, it looks more like a coach tired of answering the same damn questions. Think of how TORTS handled it in the past.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:27 pm EST

mf: You are laser focused on losing ....as if thats the issue. you are also apparently far to ignorant to understand that humans are affected negatively by negative environments....you can not professional your way out of it...or "man up" out of it. That is an ignorant backwards low IQ response to things. Its has no intelligent backing to it whatsoever. I will stand behind that. I will call anyone a fool and ignorant beyond words who says things like "man up" because it is so disgustingly stupid. It likely not your or others fault though...its the mentality of so many parts of life...and when people ho didnt know better raised past generations, and at times the current ones, they just feel back on silly ideas that have no backing of any kind and created a mess. Sports amplifies it 100 fold...this idea that Zucc talks about that he could just basically make it not exist when he steps on the ice...as if the things effecting him mentally could be shut off, its not a human ability. The idea that you can just ignore being in a losing environment is another one...you could pay someone a trillion dollars per hour and they will still be negatively affected by negative things. You could force someone to work for free and they would still be positively affected by positive things....thats called being human. So please just stop, no matter how many times you say it its not true...in fact it is 100% incorrect 100% of the times you say it.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:25 pm EST

Had to work today and just watched the game....Smith can't be gone soon enough and Zucc will be traded soon....I saw a lot of quit in this game which is alarming.....No energy at all.....I don't blame DQ and maybe it just had to get to this point....I also don't care if I see Buch play another game with this team....This turnaround is going to take some time....I hate it...

PJ


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:24 pm EST

Rhet: Looks like a man with no answers to me. Yeah, I know it's a 1 minute snippet and lots of wrong impressions can be read into it but things are getting worse, not better. I know if I was Gorton I'd be very worried about the next 4 games - if this downward spiral continues the coach may reach the end of his rope. I feel for DQ - there's things going on here that if not addressed higher up he may not be able to anything about. Hopefully, I'm being an alarmist here....we'll see.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:24 pm EST

verbiage

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:24 pm EST

Rhet: I'm searching the NHL / CBA. Is that where to look for all things relating to a team buying out a players contract? Also, would the CBA define the details of how a team may or may not handle "the bought out contract?" I'm specifically looking for the vebage that says that a team can or can't move (or include) a bought out contract in a trade. (like moving Girardi's contract) I'm also looking to see how many player's contracts a team can buyout and carry at a given time... t/y

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:23 pm EST

rF4L; I have been officially leary of DQ since the St. Louis game. You are correct that Gorton should be very careful here. Building a team specific for DQs system ( whatever that is ) is dangerous not really knowing this guy can handle this job. Seems he is still figuring it out and who knows if he ever will. I am starting to think he can't.

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:19 pm EST

Wildcard: you either refuse or are incapable of addressing the point. The point is that these players are playing in a "professional league, and it requires acting as as a professional. At times, it may require dealing with being on a losing team." If you can't deal with it, get help or move on to something else. (I bet that you're not going to get this either)

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:16 pm EST

RF4L ...You probably should have watched DQ's actual comments... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1082070938370232320

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:09 pm EST

mf: He was being stupid and a pro athlete saying things that are impossibly false and ignorant. Of course he first said that he was being affected because he is human. He is being a stupid person by trying to hide it behind the dumb machismo sports crap that actually ruins sports and teaches young people to lie about things that are very real.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:06 pm EST

Hey WILCARD: I said the same thing as Zucc & then you called me, " a Neanderthal.. Is Zucc a Neanderthal too? LB Quotes Zuuc, "“When it affects my game the way it has been, that’s on me; I shouldn’t have let it get to that point. “I mean, I’m a professional and have a responsibility to the team and my teammates. "

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:04 pm EST

rf4l: I don't know...DQ didn't sound lost...more at a loss for words. Like he didn't know what to say to describe what is happening because really, there is no way to put it...and I am sure he didn't want to put anything on the pending trades and that top players are not doing well. The mistakes vets are making are not coaching issues, the mistakes the team is making are not coaching issues...I mean no coach would tell them to blow coverages and ignore open players....thats not he players. Right now a lot of players are messing up, party due to the trade issues. I think DQ was following whatever crazy code pro coaches and athletes follow, he knows what the issues are right now, but cant just come out with them.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:59 pm EST

From what I've read, DQ, after this loss, doesn't really know what to say or how to react. Gorton needs to be concerned that if things continue like this, his expensive hiring ($25,000,000 over 5 years) could go south. Yes, I realize this sounds alarmist, but prolonged stretches of this nature with a rookie NHL coach can and often results in a one and done situation for that coach. In other words, Gorton needs to do something very soon - Vegas, a home and home with the Islanders, then the BJs. This is ugly right now - it could easily get beyond ghastly in the next week or so if something doesn't change.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:53 pm EST

sent = isn't

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:51 pm EST

rf4l: Spot on. yeah it'd great that he sent blind to it and understands it....but they need to move him...good bad or indifferent about him as a player, his issues are becoming team issues....thats just not OK.Even if the Rangers lose a lot the rest of the way, it will be better for the team if they can actually compete in some of them. Cant do that when a team leader is just barely making by every day.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:45 pm EST

LB is bang-on with his article of an hour ago - move out MZA now, not later. He's part of the leadership problem without a doubt and his horrid play is contributing to the overall horrid play of the team. Kudos that he's stepping up to admit to what's going on but that doesn't change a thing. He needs to go and go ASAP.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:29 pm EST

schneidw: The AVS revenue isn't all that badly affected by the attendance of single game seats. They sell 95% of their tickets, and 100% of their boxes at the Can are sold each year...they are not always full but the AVS get their share of those annual sales. Also the other big part of their revenue is from the sports network owned by the ownership group. They will go to the cap if it means they will do better. KSE is not afraid of spending on any of their teams...never have been....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:19 pm EST

WILD_ I can see your point about the AVS needing a goaltender after this season.... but they will also have alot of RFAs to sign and they have become $$$ conscience of late since they have seen attendance declines and lost revenue... doubt they will ever max their cap

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:14 pm EST

if this isn't spot on, and part of the current problem for the Rangers...and if Zucc is feeling it others like Hayes and whoever else may be moved must be feeling it. as we were saying earlier...time to get the trades made already. https://nypost.com/2019/01/06/its-time-for-sliding-rangers-to-trade-frustrated-fan-favorite/

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:10 pm EST

5v5: 93.44% On-Ice SV% 55% HDGF% 52.15% HDCF% 50% GF% (highest on NYR)...could you guess who that is for....I never would have....Shatty....maybe because he was in the lineup for the good run, and was injured for a bunch of the bad run?

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:07 pm EST

mf: I tried finding that the other day and couldn't find it. I know you can only retain 3 salaries in trades...but buyouts I cant find detail on.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:59 pm EST

RF: IIRC there are only so many salaries a team is able to buyout and carry the hit. The way around that is to take back a salary in a trade and send them to the AHL....

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:49 pm EST

tlats: idont know...the Sabers feel like they are not ready to turn any corners and make a run. They have good young players, but for some reason they feel like the oilers....I get the feeling of close to breaking out form CBus and the AVS, like they are not going o be doing much up and down stuff, but more upward movement. The Sabers, they just feel like they are on thin ice (no pun intended) I may be wrong...but it just feels like that.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:45 pm EST

The team I can see Hank going to if he ever decided to take a run at the cup the next couple of seasons is the Sabres. Hutton and Ullmark are their goalies Hank would be a pretty significant improvement. It’s not to far he can play with rookie sensation and fellow countryman Dahlin ,I don’t know I’m just trying to figure out a way for it to happen. Any thoughts on this or am I crazy?

tlats


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:14 pm EST

and again retaining just 1 mil or so would put Smith at the same cap his as Gudas....so I am sure thats not too much for him...I don't think Rangers fans would be as upset with his deal if it was 3.35 instead of 4.35, and even less unhappy at 3 mil per or 2.5 per...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:12 pm EST

After the game Dave Malonney seemed to ragging on some of the kids . It’s a team epidemic. They are lost at sea again

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:12 pm EST

They MUST move Smith before his more restrictive M-NTC kicks in. He has a 15 trade list now and until the 18-'19 season ends...so what is that? June something? It goes to a 10 team list for the last 2 seasons. If they retain some of his cap hit a lot of teams would like him as a 3rd pair guy. He is better than a lot of teams 5/6 defenders and he has played at a 4/5 level before, so they may feel that they can get him there again. This deadline is probably the best time to do it...D are always overpaid for at the deadline by contenders.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 8:06 pm EST

rf4l: And I said it before...you need a vet on the back end to help with younger players. Yeah you can bring in guys who have been around, but Staal has been a Ranger, and a good one for year and years. He has respect, not just with the Rangers, but around the NHL. I think he is a guy the Rangers want to keep...they would be really unhappy to have to move him. I think in fact they would rather retain him than Hank....maybe more than any one on the team as a vet player. Thats just the impression I get, and its not a bad thought process either. Staal is not someone you would be worried about young players being around, or to emulate when it comes to preparation and work ethic. Her might cost a bit, but he isn't crazy overpaid or anything...5.7 for a top 4 D isn't bad...and he is also paid for his leadership and all that stuff as well.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:59 pm EST

And yeah, I suspect stevie's correct. Neither will be traded. That doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do at this juncture. It is from both a cap and aging veteran perspective. It'll only happen, however, if as we are saying, both players decide they'd prefer to move on given the where the organization is going.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:56 pm EST

Well if the Rangers are that good in 2 years and part of the reason is the bounty moving Hank brought them, then I can certainly live with that. And if they got that far, it wouldn't be on the backs of aging veterans - it would be with youth, meaning that would be the start of something great, not the end.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:55 pm EST

Agreed on the kids/family thing. You do the deal in the summer and it gives Staal time to move the entire family and they can move in the house next to Jordan's! Now bring in Eric for a swansong and what a story. My understanding is that the Staal bros are tight - for sure they'd love a union in Carolina. Eric is still an effective player so it wouldn't be like the Canes are signing an over the hill piece of crap.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:54 pm EST

rf4l: With the Rangers luck he would be the net minder who put them down and stopped them from going to the SCF....thats how it would work for us Rangers fans...come on now!!

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:53 pm EST

RF4L: I don't know...I do know that some of the goals have been on him. i am sure he is thinking that if he had stopped those that the team wouldn't have been so far behind...felt better, one bounce yadayadayada...I don't think the idea of quitting on his statement of sticking it out will happen during the first season after he said it...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:52 pm EST

WIld: Yeah they'd want him out west but it wouldn't (or shouldn't be) be a show stopper. He's got 2 years left on this deal - it's not very likely that he'd be the reason they didn't get to the eastern final next spring or the one after.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:49 pm EST

Wild: There you go - another viable possibility. Remember, this is us speculating where the King could go if he decides he cannot stomach this rebuild after all. You know he's probably sick to his stomach after the last 2 games. He's so ridiculously competitive. How could he truly emotionally settle for this crap? You think about all the points he's garnered for the Rangers on his own since Gorton and Nob for Life announced publicly the rebuild - probably 20? There's no sign of anything changing in that regard in the near future. What if next year is the same thing? Does he really want that? If so, why the phuck does he?? It's like torture for him...

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:48 pm EST

rf4l: Another team that would surly be interested indeed. I would bet that the Rangers would want Hank out west if at all possible...just so they don't have to face him so often, and probably not at all in the division. I know some people get on him here, but he is still one hell of a goalie....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:47 pm EST

rf4l: One thing at issue with Staal..how old are his kids? I imagine dent want to leave them, and likely doesn't want to make them have to move. Thats part of why some of these guys get the NMCs. Its not just about them and their desire to remain with a team, it expends to their families and what they want. Hank and his wife don't have that issue (I don't think they have kids do they now that I think about it I am not sure I remember out do they have a really little kid?) But anyway, that could be something that would only happen int he offseason for Staal, so its not so disruptive for his family.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:45 pm EST

You know what other team would be interested in the King? Columbus, assuming Bobanob runs away in July, which is currently shaping up to be the case. The Rangers eat 1/3 of the King's salary and for sure the BJs would be interested (at the draft).

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:44 pm EST

Even though its not going to happen. The AVS would trade for Hank. They are looking to move Varly in hope of not losing him for nothing come UFA time....they feel they can get something for him. But I think they would take Hank if the Rangers ate some of his deal. It would give them the stability in net they need moving forward the next couple years while that kid they have develops more...and they wouldn't have to watch Varly walk or nothing. I don't think they want to retain him due to his injuries issues. It seems like they should trade Varly for whatever they can get, but that would pretty much end their aspirations of a deep run this year as they wouldn't have a guy in net that has any real experience going deep. Again, hank won't be waiving this season baring anything absolutely crazy happening so the likelihood is basically zero. But if he did change his mind in lets say the offseason, the AVS might be a target due to not having a guy ready to step into the starting role.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:42 pm EST

stevie: I get it - their NMCs give them that right. But surely you don't believe it's not inconceivable that they could tire of the mess that the Rangers are in and quietly approach Gorton about exploring trade possibilities? Obviously, they control where they could be moved to so it wouldn't be a lateral trade to another shitty team. I don't know - I am just thinking of how I might feel in their shoes. For Staal, how attractive would it be to play with Jordan in Carolina? Eric's a pending UFA - it's more than plausible to envision them wanting to play together in Carolina's during Eric's last NHL contract, which would coincide with the end of Marc's. For sure it makes sense that the Canes owner would embrace that - great from a publicity standpoint. The Canes BTW, are 31st in salary - they could easily take on the contracts of Staal and the King, with the Rangers eating of that $14,000,000 perhaps $6,000,000 of it. I know what I'd do if I was Gorton - I'd approach both guys and this. It wouldn't be as some are suggesting - 'you waive your NMC or your sitting in the pressbox/end of the bench'. It would be an open and honest dialogue to gauge their potential openness for such a deal. In fact, it behooves Gorton to do just that. Of course, this would not be a deadline deal - it would something that occurs after the season is over. The Canes are currently 7 points out of the last wild card spot - they are once again facing the very real likelihood of no POs. Again. There's got to be motivation to explore such a deal...

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:31 pm EST

andrei: Yeah, it might. I see your point. It just sounds like something the Jet management team wouldn't do. They are quite conservative. Myers BTW is an UFA this July. And Hank's contract is prohibitive, even if the Rangers eat the maximum. The Jets, like all teams that assemble a myriad of talent and do well in the standings, are facing this summer salary cap torture. Besides Laine, up for new deals are Trouba (and you know he's gonna ask for $50,000,000+ over 7 years) and Kyle Connor. Three guys who could end costing the Jets $25,000,000 per which is over 1/3 of their entire payroll currently. Hank at $5,000,000 per added to Helleybuck's $6,100,000 is too rich for a netminding duo on a small market club. I simply don't see it happening.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:09 pm EST

rF4l, Agree on Hayes. Jets will be interested. Wheeler is 32. Laine is a RFA. Myers is RFA. They know that widow is closing in. They have to be all in this year. You don't think that Hankie for 2 years mentoring Hellebuyck and give team a shot to win the cup would not sound inciting?

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:08 pm EST

The Canes definitely have the cap room to take on Hank. Not sure if they would want to though.

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:03 pm EST

Rf4l hanky and staal are going nowhere as far as I can tell.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 7:01 pm EST

schneidw: Rangers eat 3 to 4 million of his deal and options open.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:56 pm EST

rF4l, did not say Jets would be dumping Hellebuyck. Hankie could be a difference between winning and loosing a cup..

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:53 pm EST

Lundquvist: Even if he wanted to be traded... what team could possibly fit him under the cap and also needs a starting goalie? Just can't see it....

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:53 pm EST

I mentioned it recently - if the Sens don't get Duchene to agree to a new contract by the deadline, he'll be shopped. I don't believe Duchene would be moved earlier - the Sens are desperate to keep him given what they coughed up to get him. But if they cannot resign him, he'll be the prize pending UFA available. Gorton needs to keep that in mind and perhaps move on Hayes sooner rather than wait it out, assuming he's not trying to resign him.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:52 pm EST

To me Hank has to go.We love you my Friend but were DONE

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:49 pm EST

On the bright side, at least GEO stopped the bleeding. Maybe it will carry over to the next game.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:49 pm EST

On the bright side, at least GEO stopped the bleeding. Maybe it will carry over to the next game.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:37 pm EST

andrei: I don't see that. Helleybuck signed a 7 year $42,000,000 2 years ago and is only in year 2. He was fabulous last year - the Jets are full of patience; they aren't abandoning him this quickly. It's Kevin Hayes they'll be interested in IMO.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:37 pm EST

So now some one on here, I won't mention his name, is resorting to insulting people that don't agree with him. (which is probably 99% of the people on this site) Look out Wall, this know-it-all might soon put you on his radar and start calling you names if you criticize any Ranger. Me thinks he should move out of his parent's basement and actually get a job instead of living his life on the Wall.

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:35 pm EST

Andri: i didnt say anything about all star. So stop being an ass. I know you like to be...but its not very becoming a human...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:35 pm EST

And you're probably right - he won't be traded. But something tells me the dream of him having enough and approaching Gorton about being open to being moved is more realistic vs the one seeing the Rangers score 5 goals a game! LOL

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:34 pm EST

After LV game, Rangers will finally have a loosing record.. Good. 41 more games like this. Top 3 pick is a MUST!!

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:34 pm EST

Just like the NYR were going to win the cup after the 12-game win streak, right Stevie?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:33 pm EST

stevie: I'm on the trade Hank bus not because I think he's crap or he's to blame for the current state of the team. Instead, it's because 1) rebuilding with a late 30's number goalie armed with the biggest contract seems like a contradiction 2) He'd likely bring in a decent return that will add to the assets being accumulated in this rebuild 3) I'd honestly like to see him with a team that's beyond the bottoming out the Rangers are in the middle of where he would be of great help. Regarding the latter, unless you believe that the Rangers as constructed currently have a legitimate shot at making the POs (I don't) what help is he for the Rangers?

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:31 pm EST

You guys are dreaming. Hank is not getting traded . But fantasize all you want. Try fantasizing 5 goals for today and for every game.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:31 pm EST

Why is there a NewJersey Devil mascot on the ice ,shaking hands with the Coyote players. Or have I got to put down the Guinness ?

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:30 pm EST

rF4l, you know what team could be interested in Hankie? Jets..

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:29 pm EST

Scoring no goals is a great concept

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:26 pm EST

ilya: And Howden. And Hajek. And Miller. And LUndqvist. And another high pick this June.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:26 pm EST

Stevie... We have the next gen in goalies coming next season. Trading HANK assures he plays.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:25 pm EST

RDW: I can think of 3 teams immediately who'd be interested in Hank: Canes, Flyers and Panthers. Unfortunately, none are close to cup contenders. All 3, however, are desperate for goaltending and arguably are struggling to make the POs because their goaltending is putrid. Of those 2 (Canes and Panthers), PO revenue would be hugely welcome. And the Rangers would get a decent return back despite Lundqvist's age if they ate 3 to 40% of his salary.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:24 pm EST

Wild, i'm sorry.. You are the best judge of talent. Skjei is an All Star. I bow to your knowledge.. I'm not worthy..

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:22 pm EST

Hanky gone will fix this mess ... want to buy a bridge?

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:22 pm EST

Oh and Namestnikov

Ilya


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:20 pm EST

Gorton should feel some heat , he’s the one who put that team together , Spooner/Strome is all we have after Nash , MCD Miller deals ?

Ilya


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:19 pm EST

Where was the other point man? Weirdest PP ever.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:18 pm EST

If we keep playing like this I have a feeling Hank will agree to a trade. Not many potential landing spots for him though...

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:16 pm EST

Stevie, it's not Hankie's fault. He is trying to win every night. Problem is his ego. No team have ever rebuild around a 38 year old star. His ego does not let him be a team player. It's always me, me, me. I have never heard Hankie say i will do what is best for the team. Never. By throwing teammates under the buss, all you will end up with is a divided lockeroom.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:15 pm EST

mf: thsats an ignorant thing to say. You ignore reality and what it is to be a huimandt being and the reason teams have phycology experts on staff...nbut hey you can be a neanderthal and stay "man up" as if its something you can just do...overcome things that are impossible to overcome. but what do I know....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:14 pm EST

andrei: Thats nice...you still used +/- to try to make a point....tells em all I need to know...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:08 pm EST

Wild: IF they're accepting and cashing their paycheck, they can act as professional and deal with it...... They can train harder, play harder, call out the negativity in the locker room, etc.... IF you're looking for compassion from me on this one, you're looking at the wrong guy... They need to man the ph_ck up, and work through it.... jmon

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:08 pm EST

Wild, stop. You can disagree with what folks are saying, but you can't insult them. Played hockey since i was 6. Was even invited to the Soviet junior team. So, stop. +/- is not a barometer, but it's an indicator on how up and down his season has being.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:04 pm EST

Shittenkirk is shat.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:04 pm EST

This run of games shows a complete lack of leadership. Time to move on. Zuccarello, Smith, et al. If Hank wont agree to a trade sit his ass and he will change his mind eventually.

Bazzer


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:02 pm EST

MC...come on now. Sather SUCKS!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:00 pm EST

mf: you don't seem to get it. It could be a 10 year vet, they would still be negatively impacted by a bad environment. For kids it's worse....not one single player ins the history of sports as a rookie or in their first couple years would be able to avoid it. It is 100% of them 100% of the time in a bad environment. It can stall our even stunt their development. I am not saying that its some crazy, will make them terrible NHL players thing. But allowingiti to go on longer than you need to is just not smart.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 6:00 pm EST

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyp9fh-u4w8

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:56 pm EST

Just trade hanky that’s the answer.... lol

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:56 pm EST

Wild: the kids need to grow up. you can't shelter them from the real world forever. they've experienced losing at the lower levels, let them experience losing in the big leagues. just like less talented players don't make the grade, if the emotional level is too much for a Yute, he doesn't belong here....

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:55 pm EST

andrei: well the fact that you use +/- shows how truly non hockey smart you are LOL +/- might be the worst stat in all of sorts...CORSI though is only slightly worse. And the fact that you will look t a full season stat and use it to argue my point that since he was say he has been playing really well and has turned it around. If you actually watched instead of spouting your absolutely ignorant stuff you would see it as well...but I don't think you watch anything other than the box score...and use +/- as an argument point to say if a player is good or not LOL....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:52 pm EST

Wild, only on your team.. Love me some Pionk, but he is at best, a 5-6 on a contending team. He is horrible defensively. Skjei had turned it around? To where? He is -7, worst among all d-man, only Ziba/Zuk/Chytil have worst +/- on the team.. Brady might be playing better recently, but no where near the player,w e all though he would be.. Dude, you need to take off the color glasses.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:50 pm EST

mf; Its not about if they can handle it or not...its sport phycology...being in that kind of environment is impossible for any human without negative impacts. this is really not complicated. You want to have the best environment possible for a developing player. Its why the idea of sending down the kids if their continues isn't a bad one. But its not loading that is the issue, it is the mental stuff. if everything is all stressful due to possible trades and then you add the losing, and all of the stress that goes with that, you start to negatively impact everyone, you don't want that for the kids.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:48 pm EST

I never said Studds...I said playing at a top 4 level right now. I mentioned 3 and one more that is playing really a lot better than I expected him to right now ind McQuaid...he has been surprise, and has played a lot better than I thought he would when they got him on board. In fact quite a few people on this wall have said how its too bad the timing is off on getting him, becsaue if they were in a different place he would be a guy you want....not sure why they say that...according to you he is an AHL level defender.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:48 pm EST

Bob- Me too! This would have been my third straight Arizona trip. Decided to skip it and go the Waste Management PGA event at the end of the month instead. What a great decision that was!

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:47 pm EST

Chytil and other youngsters are making $900K a year as a 19 year old and can't handle a "losing or toxic environment?" Well boo hoo....

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:46 pm EST

It’s all hanky’s fault... lol... it’s the coach and the team tanking.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:45 pm EST

Hankie, Hankie. Keep it coming. Ever since you have thrown your teammates under the bus, your teammate had allowed you to win the games by yourself. Go ahead and keep on slamming your sticks, keep on yelling on your d-man, keep them bashing in the interviews. Love it.. Said it weeks ago. It will only make things worst.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:44 pm EST

and right now Pion would be on the 2nd pair of at least half the NHL...again...you are letting your absolute ignorance show. Staal this year would be on the top 4 of at least half the NHL teams. Its not like every team has an opening in their top 4 just waiting to be filled. But there are few teams with 4 D all playing better than Staal, Pionk and Skjei....you can say there are but it's either a lie or your are really that bad at evaluating players.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:42 pm EST

andrei: that post proves you don't watch Skjei over the last weeks since his sitting has been very good. Very solid. He has turned his game around 180 degrees. He is not making mistakes like he was before, he has gotten his puck control back, setting up teammates, moving the puck well, keeping other teams players form getting chances. He has been a very good D for a while now.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:42 pm EST

Andrei- You are delusional! Too much LSD in your youth? This is an awesome defence with an awesome group of forwards and an awesome goaltender and Glen Sather is also awesome. LOL!!!!!

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:41 pm EST

They are going to lose the next 5 games too. Glad I did not make plans to go the Vegas this time. That should really be ugly.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:41 pm EST

RF4L: He really needs to. I stand on what I was saying about them being distracted...I think the team expected traded going into or coming out of the holiday freeze. Thats when things really turned for the worse. Its not good for the young players to be in such a toxic environment. Get the trades done, get the team past that mess and then work on building the right mentality for the future. Work on getting the players who will be around applying the way DQ wants. Teach the kids how to be better players. But you cant do that when everyone is focused on the idea of trades....there is no point is delaying it. It snot like values will suddenly skyrocket at the deadline...form this point forward teams will give up about the same in return...and its not going to change the remaining cap hits much form this point on...jsut get it started and over with as soon as possible...let everyone, Player and fans alike move on to be able to look forward to better days.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:39 pm EST

Hence rebuild or whatever it's called the king needs to shut up or leave. Tired of his emotions. He wanted to stay so shut up and take your 8.5 million.

Vcp1994


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:39 pm EST

Pathetic effort . Trade someone . This team sux- shake it up. What a lack of effort . Hank might want to think again about staying for the rebuilding. Is shatty -4 in this one? Why does every free agent play like shit here? He was better on 1 leg last year. Zero confidence.

Puckyou


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:37 pm EST

Wild, right.. We have studs on D. On what team Smith/McQuaid/Pionk/Shattenkirk/Staal/DeAngelo/Claesson are top 4?? Are you kidding me? Skjei maybe a top 4, but he has fallen off his game, two years running.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:37 pm EST

MC the reason people cant have a conversation with me is the delusional world a bunch of you live in. The rangers D all of them are 5-6 D and woudlnt be more than that on other teams. LMFAO...peopel said that about Giradi, that no other team would be stupid enough to put him in the top 4 let alone top pair...and that he would be a 7th D on a good team...well he is a top 4, mostly top 2 D in Tampa now and they are a top team by a long long way....the problems here a lot is that people who post hear say you are all in Rangers if you don't just rip them apart and rip every little bit apart...if there is anything even remotely positive about your post you are not being real and have rangers colored glasses. Its a joke...I laugh sometimes at the absolute brainlessness of some of the posts....Skjei, Pionk, Staal, even McQuaid playing like AHLers is about as stupid as I have read here....LOL....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:35 pm EST

Wow! I was going to watch the game now, but sneaked a peek at the score.....18 goals allowed and counting in the last 3 games. Thank God there is Bonanza marathon on tv ;)

topovski


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:35 pm EST

Report: Bobby Ryan may have suffered yet another injury to his hands.... https://twitter.com/TheHockey_Feed/status/1082042519087706118

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:33 pm EST

Gorton needs to start the purge II activities now...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:33 pm EST

And I am talking about watching the indivudisal players and how they play their role and their responsibilities. Not the 5 man group as it works together defensively. Because when you watch Skjei over the last few weeks since his being sat out and you watch Staal, and you watch Pionk you see guys who are playing good hockey...are they perfect? No, but I cant tell you this, they woudlnt be 5-6 D on other teams. Pionk would be on a 2nd pair, as would Staal, and Skjei, at least the 2nd pair. Were you one of the people who said GIradi wasn't a top 4 D anymore when he was caught out? Just curious....because it woudlnt surprise me if you thought that.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:32 pm EST

Hank lowering his trade value...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:32 pm EST

RF4l, Chytil should be in AHL. No reason to experience loosing like they will going trough. It is all nice and good to win in October. Winning in January/Feb when you have nothing to play for. They are now believe that they are a bad team. Loosing will come with that..

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:32 pm EST

Andrei- I agree completely. Time to blow it up. Wild- As most on here know, it is near impossible to have an honest discussion due to your "Everything is all great in Ranger-land" view. I should have known better. I will go back to just reading your posts and disagreeing with about 97% of them. Cheers.

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:32 pm EST

Give me Five, I'm still alive,,,,, ain't no luck, I learned to duck.......

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:31 pm EST

Been watching the rangers for 50+ years. Gotta be the worst 6 defensemen ever. Hank is demoralized

Jake0104


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:31 pm EST

2 weak goals now by Hank. Helps now when the team in front of you isn't skating or hitting or checking.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:31 pm EST

andrei: Alrighty...thats is laughable...you clearly have no idea how to look at a D and make a legitimate judgment on how they are playing LOL...No one...I mean NO ONE with any clue about NHL D would say they are playing like AHL D...LOL...thats just being over the top ignorant....I sure hope its on purpose.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:30 pm EST

Bring on Geo!

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:29 pm EST

Wow!!!!

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:29 pm EST

Kis: yeah a lot of scouting people thought he had first round ability. But having that ability doesnt mean he gets to that level. He has shown flashes of that...but to label him a bust would be silly at this point. DQ is trying to get him to change his style of game and he is struggling with it.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:28 pm EST

Wild, i don't think they are playing like 5-6. More like an AHL team. They would be 5-6 on other teams. You just can't have this group on D and expect to win every night, lets alone talk about competing. Like i said before, i can see 6-7 trades at the trade deadline.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:28 pm EST

Can the equipment manager start packing up NOW!!

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:26 pm EST

Wild if you removing became a third because he was a Russian and people weren’t sure if he would cross the pond. Many said he was first round talent

Kis


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:26 pm EST

Time for a trade, benchings are not working gotta trade someone to wake them up. 2019 has been almost unwatchable.

Jake0104


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:25 pm EST

Chytil is a give away machine lately. Terrible.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:24 pm EST

Andrei...certain folks thought that you were an ass for what you were saying...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:23 pm EST

andrei: I think you are the only person on the planet that things Staal, Pionk and Skjei are playing like 5-6 Dmen......

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:22 pm EST

Strome moving up the lineup...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:21 pm EST

I only saw the replay of that Kreider hit form outside the room...was Kreider skating parallel to the boards and get called for boarding or was it just how I was seeing it?

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:20 pm EST

Being saying since pre-season. This is a team with the worst defense in the league. There are 6 5-6 d-man on this team. Bad team held be a good goaltending. Once goaltending cools off, like now, this team will loose badly. When I was saying that playoffs were a pipe dream, folks thought I was an asshole. This is what i wanted to see all season. How much Hankie can take loosing? Watch them keep on falling. Top 3 pick is a must. Hayes needs to go. Zuk needs to go. Everyone over 24 needs to go.

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:20 pm EST

MC: LMFAO...yea if Redden was an all-star before he got put on waivers and sent to he minors all the way saying his game had fallen off a cliff....yeah...thsts the same thing as sitting an all-star goalie who is playing well and living up to his contractual obligations.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:20 pm EST

Newf...agreed.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:19 pm EST

Hated the seke by Kreider. Love his charge tho!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:18 pm EST

rf4l:I think Zucc might have that award this season....Buch I expected to be a bit more consistent, maybe a little better than his average has been this season, but Zucc I expected to be at least close to what he was last year...and Shatty I expected to have a bounce back year as well, I thought maybe he would start a bit slow after missing so much time last year, but I expected his offensive game to pick up as the season went along even if he wasn't seeing points add up....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:17 pm EST

Fire Ruff !!!

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:17 pm EST

This team has almost reached the point of "unwatchable"

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:16 pm EST

That phuckin coyote howl bugs me.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:16 pm EST

Wild- I guess you never heard of Wade Redden? That didn't stop free agents from signing in New York and by making a solid hockey decision and getting what they could for Hank, that likely wouldn't have any effect in the future. Players know its a business. Ya, I'm sure Panarin's agent would tell his client, don't sign with the Rangers because they treated poor Hank so bad and made their team much better by obtaining assets for him!!!

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:16 pm EST

Wild....that's one player, whoopti-freakin -do. You should be a talent scout.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:15 pm EST

Kis: Buch was drafted int he 3rd round, and I have not heard any real hype about him from the team...they say he is skilled and stuff and a good player...that has been true. No one has made him out to be some star in the making. Hell they hardly even say he is a top 6 player...any Hype comes from the media types, and advertising...but they hype every player to an extent.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:15 pm EST

KIs..yes. buch might be the most disappointing Ranger for me this year.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:14 pm EST

KIS- absolutely yes. Anthony Duclair reprise...

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:13 pm EST

Good for Poink

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:13 pm EST

also plainly put Hank is owed the team honoring the contract they signed with him. This is the NHL not the NFL. The contract was signed in good faith. They clearly asked him if he wanted to be moved because all involved made statements about it....both sides said they talked about it and he didnt want to go...those are the terms of the contract and thats what they SHOULD be following....it is what he is owed. Players with no trade clauses are asked to be traded, they say yes or no. Just becsaiue players say yes doesnt mean they all do all the time...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:13 pm EST

Wow this team is bad. Rebuild or not

Kis


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:12 pm EST

"There's a dozen on my COUSIN, I can hear the sucker's buzzin, there's a skeeter on my peeter whack it off!

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:12 pm EST

Good. 3-0!! Keep them coming..

andrei


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:12 pm EST

Chytil give away...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:11 pm EST

Anybody else starting g to thinkiBuch is like so many other young rangers of the past. He is drafted by the rangers so we believe the hype and keep thinking he is gonna be a star some day, never to see that potential reached. Starting g to think he is over hyped and not that good. Some flashes but overall not a great player.

Kis


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:09 pm EST

*loves and respects

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:09 pm EST

And suck.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:09 pm EST

Rangers really really sick.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:08 pm EST

MC: Benching a guy the rest of the team and most of the NHL moves and respects until he agrees to alter the conditions of the contract he signed in good faith and is willing to follow through with even with the team not in cup contention will do one thing. It will tell future players to not sign with the Rangers, draft choices will refuse to sign and become UFAs, if they do start with the team they will leave ASAP maybe even demand trades. You don't treat your employees like crap. He negotiated the right to tell them if he goes or not and where he goes. As a team it is the job to uphold that. Anything else would be total crap and that is not the thing you want to be known for.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:05 pm EST

RF4L: good point, didnt think about Kreider being hard for the NYRs to resign... will be interesting to see which NYR player(s) Gorton prioritizes in trade discussions... Last year he offloaded marginal players (Holden) first if I recall and then focused on the McD trade....IF that is a pattern, maybe we will see McQuaid traded first?

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:05 pm EST

Wild. Hank is am employee. It should not be up to him whether he stays or goes. If the boss wants to get rid of an employee he would. Hank is not part of the future. The boss should realize this and try and get something for him. Bench him until he agrees to be traded. He wouldn't be the first or last guy with a no-trade to get moved. He is owed nothing. He has more money than anyone would need thanks to his employer. Of course, I realize the Rangers won't do this to poor Hank because they don't wish to hurt his feelings. This team sucks and having him for two more years is very poor management.

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:04 pm EST

Newfie: yeah thats all I have heard about Hayes is that he sucks and no teams want him.....suuuurrrrreeee...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:01 pm EST

Step. No. Smith is clearly DQ's favourite whipping boy.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:01 pm EST

schneidw……..the returns on trade deadline day are not going be that great because the players we are trying to move SUCK and nobody wants them. If we can get some draft picks from lower teams,I'll be satisfied.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 6 2019 5:00 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: No...but thats versace he didnt commits a major penalty....its arguable that he didnt comment an NHL penalty at all...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:59 pm EST

I'm guessing you could get a nice haul from Carolina for Kreider and Hayes

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:56 pm EST

Was McLeod benched after his major the other night ?

Stepunmytoe


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:56 pm EST

Schneidw...like McD last year Rangers could be fscing a tough contract decision with Kreider in 18 months. He'll ne 29 and looking for a hefty payday. If you're prepared to pay what he'll surely want you keep him. If not this is the time to move him - give the team trading for him 2 guaranteed PO runs. And yes the haul you suggest is realistic I think. Or something akin to that...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:54 pm EST

E: good points. as always, trade market is driven by supply and demand (e.g. Martin Handzal trade) and if teams like STL, PHI, CHI NJD start unloading talent then the market gets flooded fast since they have proven playoff producers that will far supercede anything the NYRs are offering up... can't wait till the trade deadline.. as you stated, this season is lost cause...

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:54 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello Brendan Smith still stapled to the bench since that needless elbowing penalty.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:53 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏Verified account @RickCarpiniello 6m6 minutes ago Breaking: The Rangers are not a very good team. They happen to be rebuilding, for those who missed the announcement. If you didn't expect this ... 7 replies 6 retweets 45 likes

stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:52 pm EST

hanky needs to shoot the puck...... Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 7m7 minutes ago 18-5, shots after one.

stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:51 pm EST

RF4L: Again that won't happen this season...not likely even cross him mind until after the season and most likely into next season. He committed to the team knowing it was going to be a sucky year...he isn't stupid....he has shut the media down few times when they pressed the idea...he isn't going anyplace this season...there is just nothing to even suggest he is moving that direction at all.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:50 pm EST

When Hank is not on his game he's style of playing deep in his net really gets exposed. He's out a foot and half more and that 2nd goal doesn't happen.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:50 pm EST

This looks an awful lot like a team that is tanking.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:49 pm EST

RF4L- OUCH!!!!!!! I cannot even bring my mind to consider trading Kreider... ONLY was NYRs should trade him is if they unload the entire roster over 27YO and go into total rebuild mode... I simply am opposed to trading home grown talent when play hard and wear the uniform proudly... Given Kreider's age, speed, skill, size and contract.. he would have to bring a return similar to Braydon Schenn with 2 first rounders coming back to NYRs (and a coke head too). I just don't see who is willing to give up that much (e.g desperate)... I suppose teams like DAL, CAR, BUF. EDM, FLA could possibly be enticed given they need/want the playoff exposure/revenue the most...just guessing

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:48 pm EST

Stevie: That's why! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIM1-3_8AwI

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:48 pm EST

RDW: Its obvious they are distracted. We as fans forget sometimes that these guys are human. They have relationships on the team that will be disturbed...they have families, girlfriends, friends, lives away from the ice...being traded has got to suck. And I imagine its not comfortable for the guys who wont get traded either. You must care for your teammates, I cant see it not being that way they are so close at work mores than most of us ever experienced at our jobs so you would be affected by their stress and stuff. Last year the Rangers went into a but a rough patch headed to the deadline and played better after...I expected the same thing this year, and so far the slump part is showing...just wonder about the better play after.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:47 pm EST

MC...keep hoping Hank eventually says enough and gives Gorton a list of teams he's ok with being traded to. Guarantee Philly would want him for example.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:44 pm EST

Schneider: everyone has a pipe dream about what a player will yield. In reality, getting a 1 or 2 pick a roster and a prospect is a great haul. More and more with teams having to horde their picks to insert inexpensive talent because stars get absurd swaths of cap space. Teams will hemorrhage talent for picks and prospects all the time. The New York Rangers look rock bottom to me. They can lose with the same guys they have now. So, might as well flush some more and sign journeyman depth in the offseason. Can’t be any worse and getting inside the top 5 would be worth the pain right now. Because the half in and half out strategy isn’t gonna work. Clearly...

E


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:44 pm EST

Stevie: Saying that shows a total lack of scouting ability. Teams don't look at another teams outcome deciding how will help them win. They watch individual players, and not just scoresheet stuff, but positioning and effort, and all of that stuff. The scouting staffs of teams are not fans on a chat forum upset about their team sucking....they don't sign value the same way. They will also take into account that these players were all part of a 9-1-1 run by a team that no one, not anyone thought would even get close to a run like that this season.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:43 pm EST

Talk about mailing it in. Rangers are making Arizona look like Tampa Bay.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:42 pm EST

I don't give a shit if Hank wants to stay here and I could care less about his no-trade contract. He should be told he is getting moved. If he doesn't like it, he can sit at the end of the bench until he agrees to be traded. He is owed nothing. It is time to see if any team out there is crazy enough to think he could help them win a cup!!!!

MC


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:42 pm EST

NHL Trades: I am having a hard time getting a read on whether teams such as PHI, LAK, CHI, NJD and STL are going to actively trading with hopes of making the playoffs versus entering into a rebuild...All 4 teams have top notch players in their primes with flawed rosters that are underachieving.... its feasible to see them shake things up and try to get a quick turnaround and improvement.... but none of these teams strike me as organizations that give up first round picks in trades....

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:41 pm EST

I don't think there is any doubt that this team is basically waiting for the trade deadline at this point.

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:37 pm EST

Stevie...didn't hurt the value of Nash last year.

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:36 pm EST

4:39 to go in the period and we have 3 shots

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:35 pm EST

Losing doesn’t make anyone look good and their trade value doesn’t go up , it’s going down.

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:34 pm EST

Strvie...I luke that: Lose to choose Hughes!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:33 pm EST

Schneidw...Kreider would bring in a great haul!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:32 pm EST

16 Arizona shots witb 6 minutes left. Shameful. Trade all the vets awsy. I mean WTF...

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:31 pm EST

Am I the only person on the WALL that believes the trade deadline returns are going to be very underwhelming? I just don't believe Hayes bring much more than a couple of 2nd round picks and marginal prospect... Hayes has 2 goals in 34 playoff games... his style of play is not effective in the playoffs....He's obviously a rental to any team and likely leaving over the summer... just don't see it. Zuccarello is over-rated by NYR fans... he has only 4 goals this year and is -20... not going to bring back a first round pick... probably a 2nd and 4th... Gorton has to find a way to unload Shattenkirk without ruining the NYR organization as a destination for UFAs... he could fetch something decent given his contract is not horrible... but still.. another player with diminishing value

schneidw


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:31 pm EST

They look unprepared

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:30 pm EST

Lose to choose .

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:29 pm EST

Rhet: Individual play of vets can get them traded...so play away at least for now....thosde that will be traded of course.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:29 pm EST

Rhet why feed these kids more cod liver oil?

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:28 pm EST

mf.... No way im cursed. These Rangers do not deserve a ham & cheese sub

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:28 pm EST

mf: ON Sully that is true about the transition, but would they have been as good without bigger changes? Was it the changes made by AV that gave them an edge. It is definitely something to wonder about. Like I said, that SCF was so close in each individual game save one, that they may have won the cup. I just wonder if there was an appetite from either side for him in NY. Seems though in hindsight that it may have been good hire. I had for some reason not thought of him because he went so long before becoming a HC after he was fired with Torts....and I don't remember him even being talked about to fill the role with any other teams needing a HC. I wonder if there was something from his side that he wasn't going to do that at that time.....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:27 pm EST

If we're going to suck this bad, we really need to play more of the kids. I'd rather them get much needed NHL experience than watch vets suck just as bad with no real payoff.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:26 pm EST

Gawd this team sucks!!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:26 pm EST

2-0 Coyotes We are sinking faster than nuclear submarine

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:26 pm EST

This is fairly brutal so far.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:25 pm EST

Brong on Geo!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:25 pm EST

Everyone standing around stick-checking and they still let the guy get a shot off right in the slot

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:24 pm EST

RLou: No Stromboli?

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:24 pm EST

Name-Howden-Buch has turned into a decent line. Need to finish a little more of course, but they at least get chances and are not one and done.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:23 pm EST

Arizona scores Hank OUT to bruch

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:23 pm EST

3CardLegs, LeoS :->), Wildcard: The Answer to the Answer re: Sun (((Jan 6 2019 1:32 pm EST mf: Sully has done really well with one of the best rosters in the NHL....you are saying that he would hav done better than AV? I don't know....he might be the only guy you can say that about, meaning timing wise to hire him.))) .... "Of Course Sully was the only answer for that scenario & that's why I stated such. (as mf pats himself on the back) ..... Sully inherited quite a sled team at Pitt, but AV if he was available at that time would have also. Pitt was built to pot goals and win games 4-3, 5-3 or 4, 6 to something, they outscored their opponents in spite of carrying one of the worst GAA in the league...... "Ever hear of promoting from within the organization?" It actually happens quite often in the real world, but then one may be tempted to flirt with "Conventional Wisdom." (VIC, you out there? Don't make me come to Houston. Unlike Tradestar, I'll drag your ass to a Kosher Deli!).... Sully knew All the inner machanisms, players, quirks, strenghts, weaknesses, of the organization..... In all likelihood his changes to the gameplan would have been more subtle, and the transition should have / would have been smoother...... jmon

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:23 pm EST

Geez....here we go again ……….1-0 for the Refs.

Newfie_Ranger


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:22 pm EST

At fist blush Hank should have had that...but how Many people did it get through?

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:19 pm EST

I am a little surprised that was called...Smith clearly could have hit him harder, and it didnt seem like much more than a pinning against the boards with a little force. Wonder if the NHL told the refs to tighten that up or if tis just a case of a ref not doing a good job....because we see hits like that every game in the NHL that go uncalled.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:18 pm EST

Rhet: Was thinking about that. Got to wonder, would Hayes be enough to get him...havent looked into the idea too much, or what the Canes need or want, or have cap room for. But could they be the principle parts? Becsaue if they could shed Shatty, and get Hamilton, they could also move DeAngelo, and Hamilton would be an upgrade and younger (then shatty at least). Its at least something interesting to look at.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:16 pm EST

Someone said earlier that Quinn might be the mix between AV and Torts. Personality wise i think he is....its a bit early still in watching him closely...but he clearly has some fire in him and gets a little pissed off at times. But at the same time he communicates well and can do the AV style of not just blistering the refs when they piss him off, at least not right off the bat, he will get on them at times, but he gives them a chance to respond to the less aggressive manner first....and he doesnt get crazy behind the bench towards the team all the time like Torts does, but when he does more often than not the team adjusts because of it. Again, its early still, but at the very least we have seen guy who doesnt get to far either direction and thats good.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:13 pm EST

Anyone interested in Dougie Hamilton?

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:09 pm EST

Vinny Minestrone

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 4:03 pm EST

Getting harder and harder to watch Rangers hockey

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 3:39 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... Filip Chytil and Brett Howden are both expected to skate in their 40th game of the season today. Per NHL Stats & Information, #NYR will have at least two rookies 20 years old or younger play in at least 40 games in the same season for the fourth time in franchise history (cont'd).... Prior to this season, #NYR had at least two rookies 20 years old or younger play in at least 40 games in the same season in 1952-53 (Harry Howell and Dean Prentice), 1976-77 (Dave Farrish, Dave Maloney, Mike McEwen, and Don Murdoch), and 1977-78 (Lucien DeBlois and Ron Duguay).

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 3:25 pm EST

But what would be the answer to the Answer Man? right mf?

LeoS


Sun Jan 6 2019 3:22 pm EST

Irving moofman I told you the shell answer man is alive

Stevielegs


Sun Jan 6 2019 2:03 pm EST

Nikita Scherbak is back on waivers....whats the deal with this kid? I wonder if it s situation or is he just that bad, or does he not listen or something. It's just odd to me.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:48 pm EST

Rhet: Doesnt shock me....I doubt they want to risk serious injury coming up to the trade deadline....even if they are leaning towards keeping him, if they cant come to a deal they will move him, cant do that if he is on the shelf.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:45 pm EST

of course at the same time how close it was in that SCF who knows what little change could she changed some little thing in those games. Maybe a different coach would have lead to more PP chances, or less PK chances, or even more PK time that maybe took the flow away from the game more...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:44 pm EST

HAYES is still out today.

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:32 pm EST

mf: Sully has done really well with one of the best rosters in the NHL....you are saying that he would hav done better than AV? I don't know....he might be the only guy you can say that about, meaning timing wise to hire him. Now we don't know what he learned int he time with Van, and as a player development coach with DET....but yeah thats a good one. Of course I don't remember anyone here calling for his hie that loudly when Torts was fired...and his name wasn't floating around the NHL as a HC candidate either. SO maybe a lot of people missed him as the right guy....hell he wasn't even a bench coach after VAN let him go with Torts. I am curious though how he would do without that lineup in PIT, I mean, do you really think AV couldn't win a cup with that group playing at their best? Or most NHL coaches? I find it hard to believe with those rosters that won the cup and the performances they had that very many head guys in the NHL would have lost very much.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:31 pm EST

E - maybe this is a shot in the dark but was that a Mr. Plinkett reference?

LeoS


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:26 pm EST

E: I agree. Even I said I wouldnt just rip the pick, becsaue who knows how he would turn out, and that there were other players on the board who were ranked higher. But the immediate reaction here was that he was way off with the pick...it seems like people still see Anderson as some guy looked at to go at the tail end of the first round or later. Also its not like time has shown them to have passed up on anyone great...who drafted shortly after him has really stepped up and done anything as of yet? I doubt Anderson would have fallen much past the Rangers if they had not selected him, maybe 5, 6 spots. So even if they did reach a little bit for him to have a "safer" pick and one who was "closer" its not like we can sit here and point to "that guy" who is obviously better now and should have been taken....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:24 pm EST

AND.... The answer to the "Coaches Challenge" of who was available after the firing of John Tortorells is, drum roll please; "Mike Sullivan!"

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:22 pm EST

E: good stuff

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:13 pm EST

MF: it’s fair to criticize a pick post pick. Reality is that the New York Rangers have the propensity to pick not the “next guy up” as many wonder. Lias was not the best available player at his picking. That was an agreement from the various ANALyists and scouting organizations. It wasn’t far off the board but Gorton wanted a chance to get a quality prospect who was close to playing now. And that caused him to pass on another consensus player. Not that Lias was ranked 20th. He is a good prospect. But nonetheless given the New York Rangers history of crashing and burning in the draft my whole life for once I’d just love it if they took the next guy up and didn’t go off the expected board. Show me some wins in the first round and I’ll be more trusting and flexible.

E


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:04 pm EST

This isn't my personal feeling...has nothing to do with that. Its about reality of the draft,rankings of the draft. Stuff you can go and actually gather, facts, articulable facts at that. Not how many people griped on a fan page.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:02 pm EST

mf: This is a fan wall...who f=gives a rats ass? I am using draft rankings that are out there, and draft history along with draft rankings. Off the board has zilch to do with what fans think.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:59 pm EST

Wild: ever consider that you like to argue? How about we take a poll to see how many here would have chosen LIAS ANDERSON with the #7 overall pick?

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:56 pm EST

Rhet: First of all Ouch....I couldn't image how bad that hurt! Second, I never knew ha had not played center at all. Heck year, thats an accomplishment, and he didn't just play center, he played the top line center position....and that top line was dominant at times and he didnt look out of place at all. Quite amazing actually...does anyone on the wall know of another player doing something like that? I mean playing center for the first time at the WJC tourney on a top line of a top team, not playing injured.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:54 pm EST

rangerlou: I think until trades are done we will see players not playing well...they are starting to think about it I imagine. That always drags teams down, every season. Its probable that individual players will play better once they know they are not mine teams mid season, another not so uncommon thing to happen. I think the Rangers will continue to struggle for the next little while....For the most part the next few weeks are against teams right in the hunt or that are very good teams. The Coyotes er not doing well, thats the next game, after that Vegas, the Islanders, CBus, Boston, TBL are all teams they play at least once that re in the hunt or playing well this year. The only ones they have that are not in that category are the Coyotes, Chicago, Canes, Devils and the Flyers...just int he next 2 weeks they have 2 games against the Islanders, one against Vegas, one against CBus, and one against Boston. If they continue to slide at that point, we hit the all star break and a one week of no games for the Rangers...the Rangers don't play from the 20th through the 28th. The GMs will be chatty at the all star game, and leading up to it I am sure. When the Rangers play the Flyers on the 29th the team may look different.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:52 pm EST

WOW.... Igor Eronko ‏ Verified account @IgorEronko ..... Per @Boogaard_2 ....Vitali Kravtsov played with a torn triceps in #WJC playoffs. He started to play C in November. Never played there before. Being a bronze medalist as a 1st line C with 12 games experience at the position is quite an achievement #NYR

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:46 pm EST

I have this feeling that from now on we will be tanking like nobody'sbusiness

rangerlou


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:31 pm EST

Back to the now stuff...I didnt get to see, so I am wondering, while the game was a bad one for the Rangers, How did Chytil do at center? Its been bit since he has played C and as a top 6 C for that matter. Did his game look ok for a rookie in a bad stain as the game was, or was he not up to snuff at all? I mean positioning, decision making, faceoff by the skas were good so there is that. I just wander if he looked like he could move into the center position next season and not be out of place. That will have a BIG impact on this year's trade.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:20 pm EST

I must catch up on this mornings post but I'd like to reiterate, "IMO," AV was the anti Torts in several ways... 1) Torts was not a great orator.. For many that's very hard to get past... It takes something to get past yelling or uncomfortably delivered messages and actually hear the message for what it is, or what it was intended to be... 2) Torts was a Defense first coach during his stint here 3) Torts stressed and the players bought into, "you better be training in the offseason, because if you come in out of shape you're going to be embarrassed AND behind the eight ball.... How easy it is to forget that our reputation was you better be leading at the end of two, because if you were coming into the third period down a goal against the Rangers, odds are you weren't winning that game...... AV: Spoke nice, the fans, beat-writers, Foo Foo snobs in society all welcomed his pleasant demeanor in front of the camera, it was refreshing to the aforementioned, especially following Toturella.. Well, "Ph_ck that Sh_t!!!" There is nothing as great as watching a parade going up the "Canyon of Hero's of NYC when your team wins! NYC is Electric.... AV threw integral components of what Torts acheived out the window... Torts couldn't build on the offensive side of the game.. Torts PP was subpar .... What AV needed to do was implement the transition game to offense when we gained possession (which he Did!) without sacrificing the key components of the defensive game, which he Did Not! ... I would not have resigned that coach. To me it is/was obvious we needed something in between Torts and AV, and time will tell if DQ is that person.....

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:17 pm EST

Bob...of course you're not a know it all. There's only one know it all in here!!

RF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:16 pm EST

Elliotte Friedman ‏ Verified account .... Schmaltz (STL), Scherbak (LA), Wideman (FLA) on waivers

Rhet0ric


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:14 pm EST

BOB: TBL really? Looks t their drafts since 2010: Radko Gudas, Brett Connolly, Vladislav Namestnikov, Nikita Nesterov, Slater Koekkoek (1st rounder)Jonathan Drouin, Tony DeAngelo, Brett Howden are all draft selections with NHL games that are no longer with the org or barely playing for them (Koekkoek who was taken 10th overall) that doesnt account for the 9 2nd rounders (not including the last two drafts) that have yet to play an NHL game. That 9 2nd rounders in 7 seasons that have yet to skate in the NHL...yes lets be like TBL! Not sure what young player crop you want from them....Drouin was 3rd overall, so of course that was an easier pick to find a good player, Vasilevskiy was taken int he 1st round...many people would have blown a gasket here if they selected a gaoler int he first round again, Connolly was 6th overall...how did that one turn out? Not sure how their drafting is oh so much better...they are not really even above average for the NHL in what they have in their system and young player wise. They have basically two guys who are from one of the more recent drafts who are helping them be the best team in the NHL right now...at least that they took...

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:02 pm EST

rf4l; off the board is not open for interpretation....its off the board. meaning the player is not on the board. if the player is listed as a first round pick, and a first half of the first round pick, and they are selected in the first half of the round, and selected 4 or 5 spots ahead of the average ranking, that is not off the board. If a player is ranked on average 14th, and he goes 7th, thats not off the board. he is literally on the board. You are basically saying that what you want to do is change the definition used for yers and years in order to fit your ideas. You cant just go and make stuff up because you didnt like the pick. I say the Rangers haven't gone off the board with Gorton drafting into e first round. I even said the goalie being picked could have been done later, goalies are hard though...and the reason I don't like them selected in the top couple rounds, Hank proves you can get them later, as well as it seems Shesterkin will prove that out as well. Gropp I pointed out was selected early. Not that there is some wildly better playing showing they should have been an obvious choice for scouts at that time...but regardless of that it seems they thought they saw something that wasn't there, and I wonder if one scout was really really loud about him in the draft meetings so he was taken early there. But again, no off the board stuff int he 1st round the last 2 years....The players selected were al taken at or right about the places they were ranked. Hell Miller was ranked higher, so he was a "fell" to the rangers guy according to pre draft rankings, and the other two were ranked right near where they were picked. Kravtsov was selected like 3 spots early based on rankings, and the D was taken a few spots later than his rankings....but +/- 4 or 5 spots after the top 5 picks is not that far off....every team has their own rankings, and they differ by a few spots either direction in many cases.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:02 pm EST

Hey, I did not say I was a know it all, or know more than a professional scouting organization. I was just sharing an impression, going all the way back to Dylan McIlrath with Cam Fowler sitting there. How did that work out? It is absolutely true that these drafts are crapshoots every time other than obvious killers like McDavid, Matthews, Eichel, etc. They are the exceptions to the rule. Will Kravtsov work out? Will Wahlstrom? Who the heck knows? When Andersson was selected, most said it was too early. Look at K’Andre Miller. They traded up to take him and right now, it looks like it was a good move. He looked ordinary at the WJC, but that is Ok for a kid in his second year playing D in the highest level tournament of his age group. I hope he develops into a stud. We’ll see. However, I look at talent pools like the one in Tampa and I wish the Rangers had a draft record like them. They appear to be able to choose good players and also develop them.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:55 am EST

LeoS - LOL! A rare conflicted moment for me, where I must pat Totorella on the back and give credit where credit is due!

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:54 am EST

FWIW -Future former hall of famer Casey MITTELSTADT...the great and omnipresent offensive force that he is...playing second-line minutes on the surging Sabres...has one goal and one assist over the past 12 games, during which he's been -3.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:51 am EST

Bob: The last couple drafts re the first ones he had 1st rounders. Day was a 3rd round pick 3 years ago...eh was taken at 81st overall, he was ranked as a second rounder to early 3rd rounder, so not off the board in fact one of the obvious picks for that year. Gropp was taken early, he was ranked late second early 3rd all the way to late third early 4th by those lists. They did reach a bit for him....but Really other prospects taken in the drafts Gorton has run have been taken right around where their rankings are. SO again, I am not sure why what popular option matters mote than scouts. Wahlstrom dropped....there is a reason, the TSN guys kept thinking he was going to be selected and he wasn't, now we are seeing a kid who is having a terrible time brining his game up to the next level. He had a decent WJC, but not one that would have made a team taking him in higher feel justified, infect I think this year is making the teams that didnt pick him happy they didnt. That can all change of course, but if he doesnt develop to be better than the guys drafted ahead of him it shows that those teams have good scouting departments.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:50 am EST

TD - you can also at least give Torts credit for ripping the Pens as a bunch of whiners. That was probably his high-water mark here.

LeoS


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:49 am EST

And of course, in your all things Rangers world, there's ZERO surprise you believe the Rangers never go off the board. Others don't share your opinion on this subject.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:48 am EST

And I told you - OTB is open to interpretation.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:40 am EST

Bob: Gorton goes off the board the scouts come up with. They spend hundreds of hours building their drag list order. Gorton doesnt go with the popular vote of the hockey world. The Rangers have tons of money put into scouting, there is a reason they found guys like Buch int e 3rd round, and Shstirkin in the 4th round, and others. There is a reason they chose Anderson over others at that spot, and a reason they went for Kravtsov even though some scouting agencies didnt list him because they though he would come over to north America...and at least one actually wrote that, my buddy spends a ton of money on scouting lists...every year he gets 4 or 5 scouting companies final draft guides, he even gets some all year...I have no idea why, he dent work in hockey he just really likes it. Anyway one of them wrote that Kravtsov was not ranked in the first 4 rounds due to his likelihood of not coming to the NHL and staying in the KHL...well IM sorry thats not a prospect ranking....you rank them on their ability and projected future as an NHL player not a player if they decide to or not to play in the NHL. Teams decide by talking with guys if they are going to come to the NHL. Other lists had guys ranked higher or lower based on if they thought they would come across, Russian always fella few spots based on that...so the Rangers scouts didnt build the board that way, and had him ranked a little bit higher...like 3 to 5 spots higher....so they selected him right in his area he should have been picked....and that was based on the scouts...not Gorton going off on his own....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:34 am EST

rf4l: I didnt ask what this wall was upset about when a pick was made...but asked what selctions were off the board. Kravtsov at the time of hims draft was called by some on ten as "might be the steal of the draft" and the only reason he had fallen out of the top 5 was the "russian factor" He was ranked by most scouting agencies out there in the top half of the first round. 3rd Euro skater by central scouting, 6th by one group, 12 by McKenzie, Anderson the same with Central Scouting and top 15 by everyone but ISS who is routinely the outlier in draft rankings. Picking Kravtsov at 9th was not even remotely off the board by any standards, Anderson was not off the board either, maybe a few pick early, but the drafts rankings for that year after the top 5 were all over the place. Nils Lundkvist was ranked mostly in the late teens and early 20's prior to the draft and had been moving up for some time and was selected 28th...right about where he was expected to go...again, not off the board...maybe not like here but not off the board....two wildly deferent things...Again...wjhere did they go "off the board" according to any definition of the term....becsaue picking a guy a few spots early based on rankings out there for public consumption is not something i have ever heard be called off the board. Goalies, those are rough....yeah it seems odd to take one into e 2nd round there, but sometimes the early ones are good, sometimes bad, its the most wild and open position at the draft, still the least easily scouted it seems....but that doesnt mean you don't elect them where your scouts rank them. And sure you could say that pick was one that most feel they could have held off on and gotten a goalie as good if not the same one in the 3rd, and there were other guys still on the board that you would have thought they would take, even me. So I will give you that one. But the 1st rounders...not even close to off the board, not under any usage of the word up until now when people are trying to create a story line that doesnt exist. Sure people were upset about the selections, but hell, the Rangers could get the number 2 overall pick Kakko or however you spell his name, and there would-be those who say the Rangers threw away their highest pick ever and messed up. Hell I bet there would be those who think Luges is a bad choice at first overall...so the reactions from fans are not what make a pick be off the board.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:24 am EST

Well it looks like Kravtsov was a good pick now, but at the time Wahlstrom had fallen to their spot and most of us were excited about that. My gripe is that it appears Gordie likes to show the world how much smarter he is than everyone else and never seems to take the obvious pick. They did not do so with Andersson either. Up to now, that has not order out that well. We’ll see about the last couple drafts.

Bob


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:19 am EST

There was so much consternation about the off the board selections last June Bob produced the very creative 'Off the Boardie Gordie' handle that has stuck and OTBG continually gets referenced in here since. I guess you missed all of that. Or perhaps you have chosen to ignore it...

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:17 am EST

Wild: As per usual, you're stating your opinion as fact. OTB is open to interpretation. I don't know where you were when last year's draft took place but this site was popping with emotion when Kravstov was selected - many were pissed as hell with that pick. There was angst with the Lundvqist selection, too and no one was happy with the selection of the Swedish goaltender in the 2nd round. The previous year this board was livid with the Andersson pick (guess you weren't around for that, either). And regardless of what considers as OTB, Chytil 's selection certainly came as a surprise. I recall the draft gurus at TSN and Sportsnet scrambling to find indepth write-ups about him.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:16 am EST

Also at this point the Rangers are not starting from scratch. They had some good later round picks. Buch, The russian wiz kid ion net. They still have their first rounder in Skjei, Kreider (if they decide to keep him long term) and they had UFA signings like Vesey and Hayes and others, along with trades, they currently have a decent crop. SO a continuation of trading existing players for futures isn't at the level of other rebuilds around the NHL when the teams had zero at this point in younger good players and were really going to zero to seat over. The Rangers have a tad bit of a head start, and this years trades could be a big in turning things back around for the team, and it could be a bit quicker than other teams that have gone through starting over.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:12 am EST

TD: Yes I concur that more often than not the team getting the established player makes out better. Such is the conundrum of trading for futures. The Rangers did the opposite as you know for a half dozen years (and did quite well, even if no cup was captured) and the inevitable happened: A barren feeder system that if not restocked would result in endless years of crap. In other words, what Gorton is doing had to be done. It's a tough pill to swallow as a fan. Watching your favourite team lose 7 2 and then 6 1 sucks - there's no other way to put it. However, it's also exciting observing the rebuild, even if it's a longer more drawn-out process frought with pitfalls.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:04 am EST

Here's a kid who sounds like the type the Rangers seem to prefer lately (rated 10th overall): Alex Newhook, Centre, Victoria Grizzlies, 5’11” 183 lbs The St. John’s, Newfoundland native opted to go west, playing for Victoria in the BCHL rather than joining the Halifax Mooseheads after being drafted in the 2017 QMJHL Draft. Newhook is looking to maintain his NCAA eligibility as he is committed to Boston College. So far this season, he has 35 points in 23 games. Newhook has game-breaking talent. His speed is amongst the best in the class, and he has the acceleration and edgework to go with it. Newhook makes skating look effortless, almost as if he’s gliding above the ice. He combines this with the hands to make plays at top speed, and the smarts to seemingly always make a smart play with the puck. A multi-faceted offensive threat, Newhook has a great shot, strong vision and passing skills, the ability to beat defenders with his finesse, and the power game to play in the dirty areas of the ice. He has everything that a scout could want in a top centre. Newhook has also shown the effort and instincts to be strong in his own end of the ice.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:02 am EST

RF4L - I think if you're drafting anywhere in the top 15, you're going to get a very good player. This is a loaded draft.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:01 am EST

rf4l: He hasn't gone off the board yet...so.....I mean unless you are severely changed the term off the board. Going for a guy who is listed at a 15th pick at the 10th spot, or 9th spot is not off the board....off the board literally means a guy not listed in the first round rankings...who did he go OTB for?

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 11:00 am EST

RF4L - Certainly, the Rangers had their reasons for trading both, but the main one was that Gorton looked at the loss against Ottawa and knew it was time for a reboot. But here's the rub: Your dealing a known for an unknown...now is there a chance ANDERSSON becomes a top-line center...our Jonathan TOEWS? Certainly! Ditto with HAJEK becoming the next McD...or HOWDEN being a two-way pivot like BERGERON...Or LUNDKVIST being a mainstay on our blueline for years to come...all possible...likely? Well no...all I'm saying is that in general...in deals where an established top-tier talent is going the other way, the recipient team is usually the one who makes out better.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:58 am EST

From what I am able to find, this year's first round, especially the top 10, is considered by the experts as above average in quality. If Gorton can somehow end up with 2 top 10 picks, it'll really help the rebuild effort. I hope, however, OTBG doesn't go off the board this time!

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:55 am EST

Here's write-ups on 2 intriguing kids considered by many to go after Hughes and Kakko: 3.) Kirby Dach, Centre, Saskatoon Blades, 6’4″ 198 lbs Selected second overall in the 2016 WHL Bantam Draft, Dach provides hope for a Saskatoon Blades fanbase that has watched a lot of rebuilding after the team went all-in hosting the 2013 Memorial Cup. After a strong rookie season, Dach has emerged as a dominant player this year. Dach has 12 goals and 35 points in 22 games. Dach’s strong play has led the Blades to second place in the WHL East Division. At 6’4″ Dach has the size to be a powerful centre. His stride is long and powerful and he is very tough to knock off the puck. Dach takes the puck to the net and is more likely to go through a defender than to try and make a deke to get around him. He has good top-end speed but his first few steps and his agility can use some improvement. Dach has very good vision and passing skills. He finds open teammates and sets them up for scoring chances in tight. His puck protection skills allow him to extend plays down low and wait for a teammate to get open. Dach also has a decent wrist shot and release. He is using that shot more and it is leading to goals and opening up defences, making his playmaking skill even more deadly. Dach is also willing to use his body in his own end of the ice. He supports the defence with effective back pressure and works to win battles along the boards and keep the front of the net clear. 4.) Dylan Cozens, Centre/Right Wing, Lethbridge Hurricanes, 6’3″ 185 lbs Cozens put up 22 goals and 53 points in 57 games last season and earned WHL Rookie of the year honours. He’s followed that up with a strong start this season, with nine goals and 23 points in 18 games. He has an excellent shot and a quick release as well as the soft hands to finish in close. Cozens is not afraid to get to the dirty areas of the ice, establishing position at the top of the slot, where he can fire in one-timers or provide the “high-screen” that many teams are using to great effect in recent years. Cozens also sees the ice very well. He controls the puck in the cycle game before dishing to an open teammate. Cozens has good speed and agility, especially given his size. His first step is above average as is his acceleration. However, Cozens will need to add muscle to what is currently a lanky frame. This will help him to be more physical on the forecheck, as well as to better support his defence down low. He works hard in his own end, and he tends to be in the right position and make the right reads. However, added strength would make him a two-way force at the junior level.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:54 am EST

adding to that...i cant think of a coach...if there is one I am serious asking, not just trying to make a point. I don't recall what coach was out there when AV was hired that would have been better...AV had the team winning, really one of the better teams in the NHL for the first few years he was in charge....they had a great run under him, so who that was up for hire when Torts was let go that would have made more sense, and don't give me a name of a guy available after AVS first year, you wouldn't have fired the coach after a SCF showing....and not even the next year, they went to the ECF and lsat a very good TBL team after having the best record in the NHL for that season....so it needs to be who do you hire instead of AV at the same time. Also don't come up with a guy the year before Torts was fired....that was the 2011-2012 season. The Rangers finished atop the Eastern Conference, and had 109 points and only the 3rd season with 50+ wins ever...so you woudln't be looking to fire him at that point. SO really, there was one season that it made sense to fire him at all, and that year they hired AV, so again in that year who else was out there that you can point to who would have taken the Rangers to the SCF and ECF in back to back years right out of the gate?

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:52 am EST

Leason is 6'4" and 210. He'll turn 20 in April and from what I saw in the WJC looks NHL ready (or close to it).

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:51 am EST

And/or this kid (who I mentioned at the start of the WJC): Brett Leason - Leason has good size and plays a power game. He is willing to battle along the boards and get to the front of the net. Once he gets there, he has a good wrist shot and quick release. He also has the ability to get tip-ins, pounce on rebounds, and make plays in tight to the net. Leason also has good vision and passing skills, protecting the puck in the cycle game and making plays for his teammates.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:50 am EST

And dude...The Rangers might have HOPED that PETTERSSON would drop to seven...but technically, he dropped to 5th. The guy was a known, elite talent. Pettersson might have been their shoot-the-moon scenario...Andersson was who they knew they could get.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:47 am EST

Wildcard - Again, maybe an extra pick or a little better prospect...but I disagree. If HAYES is traded...and if I were the Rangers I wouldn't trade him...you will be disappointed with the return. That I guarantee.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:47 am EST

TD: Get 3 firsts and use one to draft this kid: Nolan Foote, LW, Kelowna Rockets (WHL), 6-foot-3, 187 pounds: A shooter who’s gotten back to shooting. Foot speed and board battles have improved. There’s lots of room to add strength on a big, solid frame.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:45 am EST

td: According to the Kings plays a couple bounces and they would have been watching the Rangers skate with the cup...most people feel it was that close....and hell why not, 3 games went to OT, one bounce in each of those games and the rangers DO win the cup...it was very close game to game. If AV had won the cup with the Rangers someone saying he was not the right coach for the team would be looked at like they had 3 heads...but due to a close SCF and the bounces going the other teams way in a couple game he was the wrong guy? And I ask those people again, who would have been the right guy AND was out there to be hired at the time....

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:45 am EST

Wild: Besides those firsts (and I'm certain Ottawa's isn't available) and Cale Makar (who allegedly isn't available) what does Colorado have to offer the Rangers? I don't know their organization well - I'm assuming you do.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:44 am EST

E/Hospo - I don't particularly like Evander KANE and I'm not sure I would have been happy if the Rangers gave up what the Sharks did to land him(1st, 4th and a decent prospect)...but that is EXACTLY the type of player the Rangers desperately need for their top six. Strong, fast, with offense, but a guy who is going to bruise opponents. I can't think of any similar players going or on the market like that.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:43 am EST

BTW, FWIW LB figures Hayes could fetch a non-PO team's first, a top 9 forward (or top 4 d-man) prospect capable of playing next year and another lower pick/prospect. I find that hard to believe unless part of that is futures based on successfully resigning him. That's a HUGE price for 2 or 3 months. He cites Carolina as a prime target and we've discussed that previously on here. Could they land the Canes' first and Adam Fox?

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:39 am EST

mf - I don't disagree that AV had run his course. He wasn't the coach the Rangers needed moving forward and I don't think anyone would dispute that...but to say he didn't do anything for this team is just wrong. He brought them to the conference and cup finals. That had nothing to do with Tortorella...you can argue ANY coach would have delivered them there...I would still strongly disagree. He was the right coach at the right time...and had the cookie crumbled a bit differently, we could have easily been talking cup in 2014...and even potentially 2015.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:36 am EST

rf4l: There may be 15 teams or more that want Hayes...those with UFAs to be at center who will want more than Hayes or as much as Hayes but are older, or not as good. Those who just don't have a player as good as him or the depth he would bring, like the AVS for instance with little depth. Within those teams there are those who will care little for their first rounder. The AS jump out in that group. While the Rangers couldn't get the OTT pick for Hayes plus a little more, the AVS probably don't give a lick about their own first rounder...now it could end up a lottery pick if they miss the post season...but I think they make the playoffs, they are not a lock as I said earlier, but they are probably going to get in and if they make some decent trades and shore up the team they will most likely make it. That first would not be as high, but it would a be a first rounder this year. I would bet there re some other teams that will feel the same...they wont care about a pick in the 20-25 range or in their minds closer to the 31st pick....so to get a better chance at the cup and the possibility of a long term deal with a good center they will give up that 1st rounder. But in reality I think the best trade partner to get the best pick possible back would be the AVS. They have two firsts, thats a big deal for the AVS, they are really wanting to go on a deep run.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:35 am EST

Something to else to ponder when debating whether or not to resign Hayes: Up until 2 or 3 games ago, he was having his best season. However, it wasn't doing much to help the Rangers, who are 5-8-5 since their 9-1-1 climb up the standings before American thanksgiving...

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:28 am EST

E - I will give that to Torts: He instilled some fire in the team...I don't know if I'd say he was intensely loyal to his players...he was intensely loyal to the players he liked...all the others got run out of town. And while the players he was intensely loyal to generally showed similar traits(tough, hard-hitting, sandpaper guys), there were others that simply didn't. Erik CHRISTENSEN for instance...a guy who was both soft, had all the talent to be a top-line player, but who generally gave 65-to-70 percent each game...Torts, to me, was an enigma. I'll never forget his style of play when he first came, which was ridiculous...just throw defense into the wind and push the offense at all costs...it was nifty to watch in preseason...and might have worked if he had an uber-talented top six...but he got his ass whipped hard and bad...and I can't recall how long it took...I seem to remember it was longer than I would have expected...but he reverted to a lot of the same systems RENNEY employed...and that's when the team started to win again...so yeah, I'll give him that...But he also had a boatload of character to start. Again, if I'm looking at the success of the Rangers between 2013 and 2017, I'm not seeing much of Tortorella's influence in those teams. Maybe a shadow of it...truth is, you can only whip a horse so many times before your strokes are ineffective at making it go faster...and that's what happened with him...AV came in, backed off and let the team do what it was designed to do, which was win.

tdchi


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:24 am EST

Oops...meant to conclude that on your argument alone I agree with you. My post was to say that sometimes it's irrelevant because a team has little choice (in their opinion) but to trade the individual.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:23 am EST

TD: Re your keep Hayes argument, which is essentially you likely won't get someone back as good and you cite the McD deal as an example. For me, 2 different circumstances. a big reason McD was dealt because the Rangers were leery of what he'd want for his next (and likely) final contract. Management felt, in other words, he had to be moved. This is precisely why I wonder if Kreider will be moved - very similar circumstances. As with McD, a big reason Stepan was dealt was contract related - the Rangers wanted out of that deal before the NMC thing kicked in. The Hayes situation is different unless, as you also cite, he is seeking $$ the Rangers don't feel he's worth OR refuses to sign any deal until the summer. In both cases, he's gone. And you might get a first in the deal but only as futures - that is if that's what the Rangers want and manage to land it, it'll be a first in 2020 if he resigns with his new club; otherwise perhaps a 2nd or 3rd or 4th, depending on the quality of the primary player coming back.

rF4l


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:16 am EST

of course all of this depends on who is talking to the Rangers, what they need, what they have and who else is out there. When it comes to Hanzel and his trade, there were a lot of teams who probably were not interested and/or not willing to give up much for a guy with such a bad injury history, and a downward trend in scoring. I think more teams will have Hayes as a guy they would like to get in the fold, so there will be more teams calling, and likely larger offers.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:06 am EST

also to add to this...it could be lottery protected....meaning if its a top 3 pick it doesnt change hands, and the Rangers get the first rounder ins 2020 no matter what.....that can work put really well...just ask the AVS.....that could mean a top 10 pick, a top 5 even, but not a top 3. I will take that as well...the higher the better this year, or so what its there next, they could trade that pick with another prospect or player at the draft this year and get into the first round agin this year....a risk sure but an option.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 10:01 am EST

And if you want tot use the handle trade as a basis: Hayes, Nieves, and a 4th going away from he Rangers. The first coming back would naturally be better. Hayes is on the upswing point and play wise, Nieves is a better player than Ryan White at least for todays NHL, the Rangers don't have 4th rounder this year, but they could use next years. The return could EASILY be a higher than 23rd coverall pick, a 2nd rounder, and a prospect at least as good as un-drafted FA singed kid. The Ranges make it Hayes, Nieves and a 3rd and "only" take back the high first and a mid level prospect and thats even more likely.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:39 am EST

Also: Don't use Anderson to value the Stepan trade. The Rangers traded for the 7th overall pick. If Pettersson had dropped (and thats not some crazy idea that he drop 2 spots) to the Rangers and they had selected him would that trade have had more value? No. Not the trade because the 7th overall pick and a value, it doesnt change draft to draft all that much.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:29 am EST

td: Hayes will get more than Hanzel....The injuries the dropping point totals the slightly older....that makes Hayes worth more. Also, the bottom 15 picks are lottery picks...there are teams that will push for Hayes that are on the playoff bubble/just outside the playoffs who will give up their first rounder and it will end up being a lottery pick. You have the AVS, Ducks, Canucks, Stars, Wild, Oilers, Has, Canes, Sabers all in that boat, you don't think one of those teams would give up their first? The wild have lost some guys to injury, I could see them looking for help for the rest of this year and playoffs and the possibility of bolstering their lineup long term. The AVS are well documented...they are hardly a lock for the post season....Then there are the teams that feel they are just a few players away, the ones who would look to Hayes in the offseason if he is still available....GMs can be persuaded to give up a first to get a head start on a guy...hell they could even do a sign and trade type thing if they have already started the process.

Wildcard


Sun Jan 6 2019 9:07 am EST

Weird Flyers promotion backfires...https://www.bardown.com/fans-are-extremely-confused-after-philadelphia-flyers-odd-promotion-backfires-1.1236951

RF73


Sun Jan 6 2019 2:41 am EST

HOSPO: I watched the game. SJ throttled TB pretty good. Cooper’s system still leaves a lot of man to man defense and likes to be real aggressive on the forecheck. TB doesn’t mind a track meet sometimes. The Sharks may have the best transition game right now. Kane can be a little maddening in the way he runs hot/cold. He tends to loaf and when he gets involved his motions get the better of him and he takes penalties. I always knew that if he went to a team with a good leadership structure to keep him in check he’d thrive. And so he has. I think Chris Krieder, Kane, and Zib would give teams fits. And then they’d give the fans fits with their tendency to disappear for stretches.

E


Sun Jan 6 2019 2:06 am EST

Hospo: I think what you're saying is that we don't have players buying into the system and leading by example. I remember when Cally, Dubinsky, etc. came up they kind of formed an identity for the team. We weren't good but things felt like they were starting to come together. That's what we need to hope for now. Who is going to do it? IMO not the group of guys we have now. We need to wait until after the deadline and once the dust clears, a few guys step up and take the reigns.

RDW


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:41 am EST

E - well put on the coaches..No matter what us arm chair experts say....Torts did a good job..untill he didn't..AV did a good job..until he didn't..and with both it became obviously clear when thet were no longer a match for the team personnel and game being played and/or were tuned out... ...Not a problem the Rangers are having right now..their problem is TUNING IN to what their coach DQ wants!..DID you watch the SJ-TB game...I wish we had an Evander Kane to go with a Chris Kreider.. one on each of the top 2 lines...Yes, the Rangers are more than 1-2 players away..but 1-2 of the right players, the right ones for the coach, can make a huge difference for the coach.. Until he gets those type of players, it's gonna be a hard road

Hospo


Sun Jan 6 2019 1:02 am EST

(League Standings) https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:53 am EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/world-juniors-underdogs-no-more-finland-wins-gold-again

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:46 am EST

TD: I think your stated hatred for anything Torts comes through loud & clear... All coaches F up.... I did not like AV since his 2nd year with the Rangers... I would never had extended his contract, & I'm glad he's gone.

mf


Sun Jan 6 2019 12:43 am EST

Like most coaches I can nuance good and bad with coaches. Tortorella for his scheming, his constant line shuffling, and insistence in utilizing subpar talent for big minutes etc... I could go on. He did however develop a lot of what would go on to becoming the core of the team for the 2014 run. He was fiercely loyal and protective of his players. He inherited a somewhat idle and develop stunted team from the Professor and he molded them into the black and Blueshirts. He took them as far as he would but AV inherited a team of guys who knew how to win. Tortorella did leave a better team then he inherited.

E


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:24 pm EST

RF4L/Wild - I hated Torts. Every goddamn minute of the guy. That and harping on about Crosby are pretty much sure-fire ways of getting me riled up.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:23 pm EST

Re: HAYES - You're not going to get a lottery pick for him. Just ain't gonna happen...and while I'd love to land a guy like ROSLOVIC or VESALAINEN...or PULJUJARIV...or BENNETT...you aren't going to get them AND a first rounder...again...look at the HANZAL deal...THAT is what you're looking at...non-lottery first, solid prospect, a second and a conditional pick...question is, what is HAYES asking for in a contract? If it's $7 million-plus, then you pull the trigger on that deal...if it's more reasonable, you keep him...because what you get in return is not going to replace the player you traded...better to have one bird in hand than two in the bush...NTM...you'd probably have a lot more leverage with him AFTER he's signed and at the draft table...AFTER the lottery and when teams know where they're picking...that's when you're going to see teams trading a young, promising prospect and a first rounder for him...at the deadline, you're never going to get what a player is truly worth...take even the McD trade...look what we got for an all-star defenseman and a 50-point player: Promising two-way center, gritty all-purpose forward, a pair of defensive prospects and a late first or late second rounder...will HAJEK, HOWDEN, or LUNDKVIST every be better than McD? Tough to say...but right now, the chances don't look to good...they all look like fine players and I'm glad to have them in the system...but the player we gave up was something special, as he's demonstrating with the Bolts now...Flip over to the STEPAN trade...Will ANDERSSON be better? Hmm...tough to say...but Step is continuing to do what Step does, which is be a solid two-way center who scores 50-plus points religiously...So deal Hayes? The return will never be as good as the player we traded.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:17 pm EST

Damn right iClod should get the C and be on first line....oh...i mean...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:10 pm EST

RF4L - I'm no AV apologist and the guy had his shortcomings...but to say he inherited a good, sound team from Torts...man, the only way you could get me more pissed off is if you said iClod should get the C and be on first line.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:09 pm EST

Donald BRASHEAR and Derek BOOGAARD(RIP)...two more Torts specials...man, positively one of the worst coaches in the NHL. I'll say the old dog actually has learned a few new tricks...but man, with all the talent he has in Columbus...the fact that he hasn't gotten close to a conference finals SINCE 2011-2012 really tells you all you need to know about Tortorella and how bad he is.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:05 pm EST

TD...you're imbibing rather harshly aren't you?? ;^)

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:05 pm EST

Torts also chased AVERY out of the league, for the most part...Man, that guy was battery acid for this team. Say what you will about AV's last years, but he was the right coach for the right time and he almost took this team to the promise land. Tortorella bumbled around, happened into one good season and got beaten by a collection of AHLers and has-beens skating on the Devil's fourth line. That was a good team too, and it should have gone to the cup finals.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:03 pm EST

Oh and I forgot about our former first line center under Torts: ERIK CRUSHER CHRISTENSEN!!!!

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:01 pm EST

mf - BULL-F'IN-SHIT. Wow. I don't even know where to start with that post. Totorella was an awful coach who basically drove the team nose down. He was a dolt who couldn't figure out that you needed to play a four-line game in the modern NHL...he regularly dress guys who SUCKED. Talentless hacks, simply because they hit hard...he was an ABSOLUTE JOKE. Defensive systems!??! WHAT?!?! Tortorella, the kind of "safe is death" coached this team out of the playoffs..He inherited a team that was as defensively sound as they came...he did his ABSOLUTE BEST(or worst as the case was) to make the a total mess...and when that happened, he shrugged and said "OK, maybe Renney had something here..." Sheesh. Torta-friggin'-rella...Here are some of Tortorella's greatest hits...Starting Andre DEVEAUX, a player who from that point on never skated in the NHL, over Dale WEISE, who is still in the NHL...being the genius to put GABORIK and NASH on the same line...Playing Michael HALEY...Taylor PYATT on first line...Stu BICKEL(!!!), Mike RUPP(!!!!)...man..there were SOOOOO many bad players that got a crack under Torts because he thought he could have one dominant line, one decent line and then two others to pummel his opponent into the ice...this is the coach that got defeated in the conference finals by Stephen GIONTA, Ryan CARTER and Steve BERNIER...literally beaten by a fourth line...Tortella brought defense and AV screwed it all up? ARE YOU F'ING DRUNK??!?! I've read some crazy shit on this board, but that takes the cake.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:57 pm EST

Rhet...yes...so Gorton needs to shop Hayes sooner vs later...

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:52 pm EST

RF4L... Duchene, Stone and Panarin could all be available at the deadline. Sure, not all are centers but it could still take a team away from us as an option.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:51 pm EST

Let's play like KRAPPO to go all in for KAKKO!

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:42 pm EST

LA leading EDM 3-0 in the 1st.....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:40 pm EST

STL Lose for Hughes 4-3 against the IcePuppies who have won 6 in a row

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:35 pm EST

The legend of kakakakakakow begins...

E


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:34 pm EST

COMark...thats awesome...LOL

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:31 pm EST

So is it Krapout for Kakko?

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:31 pm EST

Well Miller gets a Silver, Kravtsov got a bronze....not a bad showing for the Rangers prospects at the tourney....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:25 pm EST

STL absolutely sux... Up 2-1 vs the Islanders, they're down 4-2....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:17 pm EST

https://www.nhl.com/news/winnipeg-forward-nikolaj-ehlers-sidelined-one-month/c-303591042

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:12 pm EST

rf4l: I have thought for some time that the extension talks with Duchene have been really about making his value seem higher...like they want him still so teams need to make a good offer type thing. Rumors are that they have not been making offers during talks that are all that great....not sure how accurate those rumors are of course, but if it is true tat means they are just applying a game to try to get more for him.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:51 pm EST

Duchene might enter the trade deadline sweepstakes. If so he'll likely saturate the market. It might be prudent for Gorton yo move sooner rather than later on Hayes.

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:07 pm EST

Wild: I want to accumulate as many picks for this season, and possibly get another 1st and 2nd round pick for next year as well... I also enjoy shopping the UFA Market with Dolan's Dollars... I do not see any prototypical Top Talent 1st Line Center on the Rangers any time soon, So, Beef Up the damn wings and go for it beginning next season... VIC very articulately laid out a longer term strategy, but in all honesty, I don't have the patience......

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 8:32 pm EST

also I think it will be more than 16 mil now that I think about it...it will be closer to 18 mil for those two. Panarin will be looking for 9+ and will probably get it....Stone its said is looking for 7+ mil...if Hayes will get 6.5 Stone will get close to 8, and Panarin will get close to 10.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 8:28 pm EST

You are also shedding two contracts with nothing coming back in return contract wise...thats not going to happen with BOTH Smith and Shatty. You can move them both, but for Shatty you are taking back a contract.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 8:27 pm EST

mf: yeah sure...and if Kravtsov turns into a first line player? 3 yers in you are screwed because you will have two guy who are 30 with huge contracts that you cant move because they will both demand NMC's....Stone is the guy I think you let pass by...not that he isn't very good, but I think you only shoot for one of them.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 8:26 pm EST

How the hell was that not a goal for the USA?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 8:26 pm EST

WC: Hmmm, $16mill for those two, resigning Hayes at $6-$6.5mill after we trade him away for the remainder of the season.... With a CAP of $83mm, minus Brendan Smiths $4.35 mill, possibly minus SHAT & his $6.65mm, we're going to be real close to getting it done.... As for KRAVTSOV, Hartford, 4th line, 3rd line, 2nd line duty is fine to wean him in.....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 7:54 pm EST

mf: I don't under any circumstances want to see the Rangers spending 16, 17, 18 mil per on two players who are UFAs...especially when we don't know what Kravtsov will be in the NHL....those will be the two biggest paydays in UFA...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 7:51 pm EST

WC: Pencil STONE in on the 1st line RW & we work from there...

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 7:29 pm EST

mf: Put Panarin on the top line LW and that leaves Kreider for the 2nd line LW? WOW...talk about a nice 1-2 punch from he left side....then Vesey to the 3rd line....that is depth for sure over on that side. Unless Kreider can play RW that would make one hell of a top line. Its the RW side that is weak for the Rangers. You basically have Buch and Fast, Kravtsov might be able to step up right away, but he will likely need to adjust. So there are 3 RWs for next season.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 7:04 pm EST

Hey depth on 3rd & 4th line is great, but the Rangers need TOP LINE talent... AFAIC, the Rangers need 2/3rds to 100% of a first line.... UFA Panarin / "X" / UFA Stone & all of a sudden our forwards are deep....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 6:57 pm EST

His age is irrelevant IMHO....the Rangers have young players who pass the puck. Bennett , you watch him play, and what I get is....well Strome...nothing special, not a bad player at all. But is in his 4th NHL season, and he is still at the same .3-.4 ppg, I just don't see anything that says he is going to break out any time soon...I think Hayes is worth much more than him and a late first or 2nd rounder. I mean lets keep in mind the flames pick will be at best probably 25 overall in the first round....that pick along with Bennetts lack of showing all that much to me would be selling low.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 6:39 pm EST

Wild...except he's 21 and has a bright future in front of him. Bennett I remain very intrigued with.

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 6:28 pm EST

Slepets

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 6:24 pm EST

Slepits (sp) for the Russian team...I know he is only 19 becsaue I looked him up yesterday....but hell...he looks like 25....so crazy...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:35 pm EST

BTW Kravtsov is clearly not 100%....they have been talking about it a lot, and apparently it was a shoulder issue. Hopefully they are only letting him play because its not much beyond painful. I would hope they wouldnt risk a kids future for this tourney....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:34 pm EST

Watching Gross play against Russia here...Russia is skilled, and Gross is doing really well against those skilled players. He is smart, always seems to be in the way of the offensive players plans, a good sign....I didnt know what to expect from him, or how good he was or anything, really the only stuff I ever saw was via the Rangers and all teams say good things about their prospects.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:14 pm EST

I think I'd rather Gordo go after Kristian Vesalainen instead of Roslovic, if we're dealing with Winnipeg. JMHO....

RDW


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:04 pm EST

RF4l: Rosilvic is basically Hayes...not sure that helps the Rangers any...what I mean is he is a pass first guy from everything I can find. Bennet has been disappointing, not sure he upgrades anything or even really helps. The Finn might be the bestow the group in regards to the Rangers, he likes to shoot, the Rangers need some more guys that like to shoot.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:53 pm EST

Here's a thiught: All of Winnipeg Calgary and Edmonton could use Hayes. Gorton hopefully is talking with all 3 teams. Sam Bennett and a 2nd that becomes a first if Hayes resigns. Jack Rosilvic and that 2nd/1st. Jesse the Finn 2nd/1st...

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:47 pm EST

mf: I don't know....Chiarelli may be too concerned about his own job...hd might just do what he feels best to make himself look good...even if its just to hep him land his next job. If he can say he was able to move Lucic, and say he fixed a mistake...he can spin it that way regardless of what he had to take on or give up with him...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:37 pm EST

Wild: Don't you think that "a trade" must get the nod of approval by "Hitch" too ?

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:09 pm EST

RF4L: Chiarelli is responsible for Eberle - Strome and Larsson - Hall....I wouldn't put a craptastic trade past him if he thought it would make him look good NOW and get the team wining NOW.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:03 pm EST

Hmmm, "ham capicola" being discussed as the 1st overall pick?

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 4:02 pm EST

RF: my suggestion is that "it is a starting point to build a trade around." Not set in stone... Like the AV's and other some others, EDM must start making the playoff's... They've gone through top picks like shit thru a goose.... It has been printed that they need 1 or 2 defensemen, and a top 6 wing. Maybe they do or maybe they don't want to unload LUCIC. Approx 2-3 weeks ago I read they were moving him to 3rd line where he is much better suited for his abilities... Do you want to pay a 3rd line wing $6mm per? Of course not, but if it ups his production and contribution to the club, 3rd line it is....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 3:15 pm EST

https://www.tsn.ca/hockey-canada/video/finns-believe-kakko-could-go-1st-overall-compare-him-to-matthews~1579167

RDW


Sat Jan 5 2019 3:14 pm EST

Mf...Chiarelli is a lousy GM but not that bad. There's a negative zero chance of your deal going down IMO.

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:56 pm EST

BTW I am by no means a Lucic "fan" or looking to acquire him. But I understand that the Rangers may be in a position to use their cap space and tarring chips to hep build, and taking back a bad contract is part of that...and its just Lucic and the Oilers may be one of the few teams in the situation that may end up working out a little bit for the Rangers...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:31 pm EST

mf: Got to wonder at this point with Lucic as well if a change would jumpstart him. He was brought to the Oilers and did well his first season, he then was looked to to help them get over the hump, and that may have been a little too much pressure. Maybe being on a team rebuilding will take off that pressure and he can get his game back some...if he does that (lets say 20 goals, 20-25 assists) he will be worth it for some other team to trade for him. Its a bit of a risk, but getting another 1st rounder, clearing the Shatty hit and opening that spot on D for a young player is a better option than NOT doing anything...and it wont be some miracle magical trade of Shatty with no big contract coming back unless the Rangers put their 1st rounder in with it, and i don't want to see that.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:26 pm EST

WC: Like I stated, if a deal with EDM included Shat going and Lucic coming, "IF" we eat $1.15 per on SHAT (costs the Oilers $5.5 per the remianing two years) and they eat $1mill per on Lucic, it gives EDM some wiggle room under the Cap, and god willing we can move Lucic at $5mill per.... We may have to add to the deal to move him, but at his age he has a lot to prove that he's not totally washed up....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:24 pm EST

Flames don't have a 2nd rounder this year however...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:23 pm EST

mf: Perhaps he would...maybe they would rather have Smith, it says rental but if they are concerned with a kid having time to develop....but maybe 2 years after this one is too long....but hey, may as well try if you are the Rangers!

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:21 pm EST

From 3 days ago: Calgary Flames Looking For Left-Handed Defenseman JANUARY 2, 2019 AT 3:23 PM CDT | BY GAVIN LEE 3 COMMENTS..... (Would Claesson Fetch us a 2nd round Pick ???) The Calgary Flames have one of the deepest defense corps in the entire NHL, with several young options pushing for regular roles and a captain playing at a Norris-caliber level even late in his career. Still, they are apparently looking to add to the group. Both Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic (subscription required) and Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet have recently noted that the Flames are looking for a left-handed defenseman, specifically a rental for the third pairing according to LeBrun. Calgary currently has four left-handed options on the roster, though T.J. Brodie routinely plays on the right side. That leaves young Oliver Kylington holding down the third pairing left-hand side recently, something that the team may not be fully confident in given their Stanley Cup aspirations. Kylington is a talented prospect, but is still just 21 years old and obviously doesn’t have the full trust of the coaching staff at this point. He’s played fewer than 12 minutes in 11 of his 16 games this season including a low of just 8:21 on December 22nd..... https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/elliotte-friedman

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:16 pm EST

E: Thats kind of my point. If they could move Shatty and get a high first rounder and only need to take Lucic back as part of it, would it be worth it? I mean I guess it would depend on where the pick was of course and what other parts in the deal.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:03 pm EST

CHICAGO is another surprise team in this year's "Cellar Dweller" category.... Guess that PANARIN to Columbus trade didn't PAN out as expected.....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:01 pm EST

WILD: 22 is a WHOLE different issue altogether. He’s turning or turned into an empty shell oft what he once was.

E


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:00 pm EST

Wildcard: They (NYR's) Did Not Win! AV was dealt a great hand, he didn't get the job done.... I think that a collective effort of and by "The People of this Wall" could have gotten those results....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 2:00 pm EST

Rf4l touché point well stated and will be true for a long time... too long ...

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:55 pm EST

mf: They went to two ECF and a SCF. That is what happened. You can look back and pick apart decisions by the coach...but still, what coach would have done better? I don't think Torts would have gotten them there, no one does it seems...so who would have done better than AV, because he got them to the SCF only a few teams actually got there during his time with the Rangers...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:53 pm EST

E: Even for a higher first rounder coming back in return and the removal of Shatty going the other way? I don't know. I would take the 1 mill (ish) cap hit to send him to the minors....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:53 pm EST

WILD: I disagree... Under TORTS the Rangers had the Lowest GAA that I can remember as a fan of the NYR's..... Call it what you want, but AV didn't come in here and play with the "Fine Tuning Dials" to increase the offensive side of the game while preserving the Defensive Structures the RANGERS played, and instinctively knew... I believe Y18 used to refer to it as, "muscle memory." Nope, AV turned the Dials to, "Whistle to Whistle." AV swung the pendulum way to far from what this team was built for, and as..... When a team was and is winning to the degree the RANGERS were, when you come in, you coach to the best of your ability with the staff you inherited. You make minor tweaks and adjustments.... The RANGERS were winning 2-1, 3-2, games, and losing by similar margins... They needed to up the offensive production .25 goals per game while not risking the parts of their defensive play that helped them win...... In this case & with the benefit of hindsight, I think my opinion on the money......

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:52 pm EST

I saw Lucic earlier this season. He is useless. I want him nowhere near the New York Rangers. He’s a pylon.

E


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:46 pm EST

mf: Good point on the Blues. There are a few team like them who feel they have a shot to make a deep run if they get the right players in trade. Need to go after those picks they have....1st and 2nd rounders, hell even 3rd rounders for lesser players that can add depth.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:44 pm EST

OAN: Another surprise "cellar dweller" this season is the STL Blues.... Seems to me that they are between a rock & a hard spot. They weren't preparing for a rebuild, just brought in O'Reilly, I believe to replace STASTNY. I think their #1 problem is Goaltending, follwed by the need for a center, and then injuries to PIETRANGELO didn't help...... "HAYES + something to STL for their #1 pick???? They are a team that are in the Category of still eyeing to make the playoffs this season but may fail to do so......

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:42 pm EST

mf: AV did coach this team to the ECF twice and the SCF...and they were in every game in the SCF save 1, had 2 double OT games and another OT game....hard to say AV didn't do well....I mean, what coach would have done better?

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:34 pm EST

RF: At $5mill per, I think we can turn around and trade LUCIC, that's why I want EDM to eat $1mill of his salary..

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:32 pm EST

OAN: IMO there is no coincidence that KREIDER is putting up points and AV is gone.... AV was the wrong coach to replace TORTS, our window was still open, we were miserable to play against.....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:29 pm EST

RF4L: I for one do not want to part ways with KREIDER.... In a deal with EDMONTON, I believe they would have an interest in SHATTENKIRK, and the only way I'd take on LUCIC's contract is if EDM ate $1mill per/season on his contract and we in turn can eat $1.15mill per on Shattenkirks contract, AND, BOUCHARD comes back in return...... SO, Shattenkirk + one of ZUCC, FAST, maybe toss in DEANGELO, LETTIERI, swap 2nd rounders, tweak the mutha to get it done...... "IF" we can help EDM immediately and for the immediate future AND get BOUCHARD, we essentially get a Top 10 pick and at a position we desperately need depth at......

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:29 pm EST

E: Your last couple lines there, about what is the problem (being all inclusive) is kind of what teams look like mid stream of a rebuild (or whatever term they want to use) and its not surprising if you really think about it. Really from this point on, its all going to be based on some "luck" in the draft (I'm not talking about high picks, but 2nd, 3rd, and later round picks to turn out to help the team in some way be it used in trades in the next couple years or developing into players) good UFA signings, and the mentality driven and developed by the coaching staff and team leadership. If things go well the team will turn around rather quickly, if not it will be a long road. By rather quickly I mean not next season but the season after we will see the team start to turn a corner and perhaps make the post season and make a bit of noise there. With really good UFA signings and really good "luck" the could go past the first round...

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:20 pm EST

Brooks was right. But he was just stating the obvious. The New York Rangers were so slow compared to the Av’s it was absurd. It was even worse against PIT. The only way the New York Rangers can compete is to play a trap, and take a team outside to the wall. If their opponents get off of the wall and create space their skills will take over. But for as much as Brooks kinda harps on the discrepancy in skill, size etc... the reality is that they lost that game because of the PK. It’s atrociousy ineffective. Even against teams that don’t have a lethal PP the New York Rangers have suffered or at least they get so dominated that they lose any in game momentum and get pulled apart eventually taking another penalty or concede a goal. When I look at this roster this was no surprise to me. Obviously, I’ve been vocal about this since before the season. It’s talent barren in terms of translating to wins right now. I mean guys like Chytil etc... aren’t gonna carry a team. That’s just reality. And despite a weak defense etc... now the goaltending is also faltering. This is what a rebuild looks like. Best hope in terms of the big club right now? Just get some semblance of the core to emerge and get some talent from outside. But if I’m Gorton I’m not 100% sure what that scaffolding looks like. The youth are obvious. The vets? Less so. You can’t ice all kids in the NHL. But the holes, the personnel, the culture? All of it is a problem right now.

E


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:59 pm EST

On Graves: I heard from people I know out in CT who are season ticket holders. They liked Graves, but also were not sad to se him go other than he was a Rangers pick. They said he was nothing special, solid, good young D and that they thought he might be able to be a bottom pair, maybe bottom 3 D in the NHL. Knowing someone not he AVS staff who says they like his work ethic, and he is teachable....that is literally hours old by the way...ran into the guy in know on the AVS staff at the grocery store this morning...asked about Graves because the kid had a goal last night. Anyway, didnt get the impression that anyone on the AVS staff feels the kid is destine for big things. Not bad, not great, just one of "those" players that fill NHL and AHL rosters and always will. I hope the guy gets a regular spot on a 3rd pair, seems like he is one of the good guys, hard working, does the right thing all the time.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:53 pm EST

anyway I was making the point that Kreider isn't a guy that needs to be told to go to the rough areas, I mean, his goal scoring form tip ins and such was a topic because he is on pace for 40+ and thats mostly where are gets them from, so to say that he needs to learn to go to the tough areas is not something that seems like he really needs to do any more than he does....and he is being rewarded for it with his best goal scoring season of his career.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:51 pm EST

rhetorical: RF4L: It wont just the one person...and as I posted, "ripping" may have been too strong a word, it was just the one I used at the time...but probably wasn't quite the word to use....

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:49 pm EST

Seems to me that the wrist shot off the left wing has resulted in several goals for Kreider this season. Having added that to the tip drills seems to have paid off for him. I continue to be baffled by the amount of crap that is thrown around here regarding Kreider. He is one of the few home grown Rangers who have been successful and is having his best season ever. He would return a haul if they decided to move him.

Bob


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:49 pm EST

td: what I am hearing for the AVS is that they are basically not thinking one iota about the future....so you may be wrong on the OTT pick. The ONLY thing that I will say is that they wont give it away. I could easily see them trading it to get a coupe guys for the 2nd line. For instance, you take Hayes and Kreider (using the Rangers as an example) or Hayes and Skjei and you get that pick and some other parts and pieces, maybe a prospect or two, maybe 2nd round picks over the next couple drafts...probably take back some salary they really want to get rid of....they will move that pick, the almost need to put both their first rounders out there. Putting two first rounders, maybe 2 first and a second a third rounder out there they will be able o put together quite a roster rather quickly.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:44 pm EST

RHET - AH..OK...As for that question..I think it's very valid and not damning at all..It's his game...It's who he is....off the speed rush or creating traffic and battling in front of the net..Wont be a super star but a very, very valuable player...I do think he will continue to score alot of goals like that....but...he would or will sore alot more for a better team that controls the puck more..Unfortuantely, for the Ranger, there are many nights they dont and maybe that's when Krieder disappears.......He's not a creator.....I do think he and AHYES make a very good pair though and let each do what they do best...but ZBAD needs somebody too....grrrrrr

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:41 pm EST

Hazy got hurt when he went into the boards awhile ago and is still feeling the effects supposedly. Kreider criticized himself . But I guess he was reading the wall with lb . To my mind the nyr are underperforming. But you are what your record says you are. And yes part of it is the mighty Quinney. That doesn’t mean fire him. Be careful what you say here negatively, the wall has eyes, ears , and a mouth with a defense for everything . Put your rose colored glasses on. And hold your nose because the last 2 games were stinkers. And they’ll be more to come in the lose to chose lottery. The nyr seem to be tanking. That will make fishpie happy . Him they can fire ! But won’t.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:41 pm EST

Rhet...it's a manifestation of an incessant OCDish obsession to defend all things Rangers. And wild that's not off base either. You perceive a Ranger slight and you go on the offensive often to the point of insulting.

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:36 pm EST

TD...perhaps. id so why is he playing at all. Where's the concussion protocol here?

RF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:30 pm EST

Hospo... i think he's talking about me. I had the audacity to ask the rhetorical question, "if not scoring on the left side on the rush or with tip ins, would KREIDER have many(any) goals this season?" The point of the question I posited was merely to talk about whether his goal production was sustainable or not. He's currently on pace for 41 goals. To me, it's a pertinent question that should be asked, especially when considering whether or not we should trade the guy. I'm not sure how that get's into the territory of ripping said player though.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:26 pm EST

Hayes’ play looks a lot like a guy who was concussed. Really faded since the rough ride into the end boards. He did not feel well due to the altitude? Still,wrapping my head around how a team could be short handed for 20 of the first 29 minutes of an NHL game. Did not see it as I was busy watching the NHL refs ruin a good game between Vegas and Anaheim. Always amazes me when I witness a game where one ref is responsible for all of the penalty calls in a game while the other ref skates around for 60 minutes. Last night, saw a penalty for a face off violation when the linesman flinched before dropping the puck after having already kicked a guy out. When he jumped again he ended up in the box. Really juvenile stuff for guys that are professionals.

Bob


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:44 am EST

RF4L - Didn't HAYES turn up injured after said thumping? Could explain a little bit.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:35 am EST

Wildcard - I will bet you any amount of money that the Avs do not trade that lottery-protected pick. It ain't gonna happen. No way, no how. Going to the SCF would be great and all...but McKINNON, LANDESKOG and RAANTANEN with HUGHES or KAKKO? I could sorta understand if there wasn't a strong opponent bound to come out of the east...but even IF the Avalanche were able to get...say...BENN or SEGUIN...are they cup contenders? Hell no. Doesn't take a genius to see that. They're a one-line team that would take a very giant leap forward toward being a powerhouse to contend with likes of Tampa and Toronto with Hughes or Kakko. Only thing that dislodges that pick would be two other lottery picks.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:26 am EST

RF4L - We'll never know, but I don't think AV had anything to do with GRAVES' demise with the Rangers...more just a numbers game...he sort of bounced between second and third pairing and didn't have the jump or the offense that GILMOUR had...And keep in mind, the guy they dealt for...Chris BIGRAS...didn't get a sniff from AV and hasn't from DQ either...but who knows? The last I saw Graves in a Hartford uniform, he wasn't really anything special...just a big body out there. Granted, it was one game...but water under the bridge either way. Good for the kid...like I said though...I just wish we could'a gotten a forward instead.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 11:18 am EST

It was my only comment about Kreider. Kreider & Hayes have figured it out. I have no problem with Kreider.

Puckyou


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:59 am EST

jest..

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:58 am EST

WILD - BTW, the other night I posted "All Krieder is good is for tip in's and defelctions..treade him for a few picks and just put Cody McLeod there instead"..I hope you know that was in just...What I found funny was that the next morning Kreider, while answering a question about not being on the ALL STAR stuff, gave that quote that I think you posted..something like "WHy, all I am good for is deflections.."..

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:40 am EST

Puckyou...it was more than one person....I may have missed your final comments...but i am 100% certain it was more than you saying stuff like I pointed out.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:36 am EST

Wild- you might want to re-read my comments. I clearly stated Kreider has figured it out. Jesus

Puckyou


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:33 am EST

rf4l: i cant remember how it was, but they went on a few days about how Kreider woudlnt have many goals if he didnt have tip ins....I found it kind of funny, I mean with all the gripes about the Rangers not going to the rough areas and playing a perimeter game. There was someone else who echo something similar about Kreider not being able to score with a breakaway or off the rush well because he has speed but not good hands that way. Maybe "ripping" isn't the right word for it, but my point was that Kreider isn't a guy we need to worry about going to the hard areas to play, its basically what he does to the point that some people see it as a negative somehow.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:33 am EST

WILD - Who are these people that rip Kreider because "he only sores goals off deflections"? I think the only criticism of KRIEDER, be it right or wrong, is that he doesnt use his size and strength consistently and seems to physically disappears in some games

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:29 am EST

Who on this wall is 'ripping' Kreider?

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:09 am EST

rf4l: I would have a hard time finding someone with any reasonable argument putting another forward in the top 3 offensively this season. I mean yeah, at times other players have done really well, Howden for a bit early on, Fast has had his moments, but he is probably the best all around player this season not top 3 offensive F, no one else has had a full season stretch of good play....those 3 are the 3 top forwards on the team this year for sure.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:08 am EST

puckyou: Kreder needs to figure that out? Really...he leads the NHL over a long stretch for deflected and tipped on goals...some people on this wall rip him because he only scores goals off deflections....Kreider has no issue going to the tough areas, he is always behind the net battling along the boards, and goes to the front of the net all the time. Of all the players the Rangers have on the top two lines, Kreider is probably the least of the concerns for paying into e rough areas. He scores all but a few goals from within sticks length of the crease, and he is on pace for 40+ this season.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 10:03 am EST

And yes for certain, Hayes out of the lineup hurts them. He, along with Z and Kreider, are arguably their top 3 offensive forwards at this time.

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:54 am EST

HOSPO: Agree on Hayes. The PP was, like the 5 F unit or not, over 25% heading into the last couple games, and Hayes was out, you add that to the 5 on 5 play he has had, and suddenly you are without that, no team looks as good when that happens, the Rangers are not a team that is built to overcome that, against an AVS team that was on a terrible streak of their own and playing at home. You add in the refs calling a crap game as it seems to be reported and spoken about even by AVS fans here who say the refs hosed the Rangers but are happy they did because they needed the win, and you have a perfect storm that destroyed the Rangers. Hayes wouldn't have meant they win the game, but perhaps its 4 goals against instead of 6, maybe it 4-2 final, and it doesnt feel so bad, even 5-2 seems better than 6-1. One player can make a game look a lot different, especially one having a career year.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:50 am EST

Arizona up next - they sit 4 points back of the Rangers (22nd overall vs 26th); should be a humzinger of a game!

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:47 am EST

I do believe Hayes and Z give the Rangers yet another set of 2nd line centres filling in their top 2 centre spots. I think as a pair they are better than Stepan and Brassard but neither Hayes or Z have the top end skill needed to be a legitimate number 1 centre. That's why Hughes would be such a fabulous addition but of course, this being the Rangers, have no illusions that they'll end up winning the lottery, even if they finish 31st this year. It's simply not the way things go for this organization. Ever. My gut tells me Hayes will be traded and we'll have to wait and see how Gorton addresses (if he can address) the number 1 centre organizational gap (that's existed since the Messier part I years, which is a pathetically long time).

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:44 am EST

Hospo: Agreed that it's not all on the defensemen.

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:43 am EST

They need a team meeting before and after every game

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:42 am EST

Hospo: Yes certain players have raised their game under him. Keep them, trade the rest.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:41 am EST

H

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:41 am EST

Wild: DQ get 1 year from today. Doesn't absolve him from criticism between then.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:39 am EST

rF4L yes is just said their d-zone coverage sucks at 9.11 this morning. It's Torts turtle shit.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:37 am EST

Look at this scathing remark from LB this morning: "The Rangers, who have won just five of their past 18 games (5-8-5), have been exposed as a team deficient in hockey IQ every bit as much as one that lacks high-end skill, speed and physically imposing athletes." Yikes! LOL...

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:36 am EST

My plan to fix Rangers. Trade Hayes for a 1 st rounder, Get what u can for McQuaid, Zucc, try and dump shattenkiirk (bust). Tampa wins cup, we get their first instead of 2nd rounder. Lose enough to get to the bottom 3-should happen naturally . So we would have 3 first round picks, maybe the top if win the lottery with best chanced get Hughes, then bring Kratsov over and sheterskin , and maybe bring Miller from Wisconsin, cup is ours in 2-3 years! Sorry, I’m still drunk from that debacle last night. Forget it- we’re screwed. Anyway, agree with TD, Namestnikov is a player. He and Fast show heart every game. DQ told Name to go to the dirty areas, and he does what he is told, unlike so many others in that lineup. I liked the line from Mike Babcock when talking about Tavares- said that he “gets it” that goals in the nhl are mostly scored a stick length from the net- or half a stick. Sure, you can get one or 2 by from the perimeter, but goal scorers score from around the net. Kreider and Hayes have figured that out also.

Puckyou


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:36 am EST

RF4L - yes..it bothers me too..and it all goes back to the forwards lack of execution and unwillingness to play gritty and focused in the defensive and neutral zone. as well as zero forechecking....Guys like Shitt, Deangelo and others have defensive issues, but the forwards make the unit look much worse than they are with the little help they provide

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:35 am EST

rf4l: If you want to throw away Kreider there are better ways to do it.....Kredier right now would probably be enough to grab a lottery pick (missing the playoffs lottery pick not a top 5 probable pick) from a team fighting to get into the post season....he is on pace for 40 goals, after a run of 20+ goal seasons. He is one of the fastest players in the NHL and bigger than most of those fast guys. he over a stretch (cant remember how long) leads the NHL in tip-in/deflected goals. I am not being overly positive about a Rangers player...lets not forget, Stepan got the 7th overall pick (I Know there were more parts to that trade but thats pretty much a one for one inside that trade)...hell look at Nash, he was spiraling downwards and look t what he got from Boston....Kreider is on the upswing and has another year on his deal even. Now the Nash pick ended up 26th, and they traded that with the 48th overall to move up for Miller....so you could probably get the same haul for Kreider but with the pick being higher int he standings, or more likely to be. That is if you decide tome Kreider. Hayes will not be worth as much due to his expiring contract, however, he is still worth a 1st rounder to many teams out there, like the AVS....not for the OTT pick, but for theirs, and you could sweeten it to get to that conditional 1st level without destroying the Rangers depth in young players. The Rangers have a bunch of young D in the system, I bet they could stand to lose one to the AVS to get that conditional status on the pick.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:33 am EST

RF4L - "Hayes supporters" did not point that out..only one did..last night would have been a disaster with or without him..but playing without somebody who has arguably been your best forward this season and who plays 20 mins a night and in all situations doesnt help..

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:32 am EST

BTW, am I only the one concerned that under this new coach, the defensive coverage seems as shoddy as it was under the old coach? The coverage strategies are different but the results are too often the same: Open men to tip pucks and/or score via prime ice shots.

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:30 am EST

STEP - Yes, the lack of execution, the lack of consistent physical intensity, and the consistent poor mental play of the Rangers is very worrisome ..and does reflect some on DQ...It's his job to get these guys to play smart and as a team...but..otoh..if we are to believe his words, these are not his type of player...Actually, there are very few that fit the bill of relentless, in your face hockey that DQ says he wants.....Just look at the forwards...ZBAD has gotten better all around but still a perimiter player, HAYES does use his body more but not in an agressive physical way, KREIDER does it 40% of the time..VESEY does it 20% of the time, Forget about BUCH and ZUCC....Strome pretty much a perimiter player also....FAST is always responsible but in a quiet way..and when Namestnikov is your biggest pest, something is seriously wrong...Even most of the kids up now---Howden, Chytl, Nieves, just prefer skating...I hope to GOD DQ and Gordon are on the same page on what type of players they have/want and the type of game they want to play..because right now there is a HUGE disconnect..

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:24 am EST

Stepunmytoe: Wow you will give him a year huh....seems you have already decided he is no good, half way through his fir NHL season as a coach with a roster that NO ONE thought would spend much if any time outside of the bottom 10 of the NHL. It was just a week or so ago that the talk was about how hard the Rangers play and how with some moves they could easily compete...and not from Rangers people by the way. Yes the last week or so they have been playing very poor....its the first such stretch of DQs NHL career. I think we can give him a bit of time to learn how to adjust with fully developed adult players and not college kids. He is probably making some mistakes right now, more then we see or know about, it is expected with any first time coach.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:24 am EST

TDL: Or Shitty shat the bed!

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:21 am EST

BTW, I knew the Hayes supporters would point out last night's game as what you get if/when he's gone. Well he was in the lineup 2 games ago and they got equally thumped.

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:19 am EST

mf: IMO, the only chance of landing a lottery pick beyond our own is via a trade with the Oilers that likely would involve taking on Lucic's contract. The Oilers are up against the cap so cannot take on the salary of a player who could truly help them without shedding salary simultaneously. So would you do this: Kreider and Hayes for Lucic, Jesse the Finn and the Oilers first this year or next (Rangers option), plus futures that becomes something if Hayes stays there? Of course, the addition of those 2 might be enough to push the Oilers into the POs so no first, which Gorton could then gamble on and wait until next year. Would you do that?

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:19 am EST

The AVS didnt trade Duchene to get a first round pick. They traded him so they could have a winning team. Look at the AVS pre and post Duchy trade, and look at OTT pre and post that trade.....enough said....I know some people will say its not just him, but its awfully crazy that a guy that was a problem with the AVS was sent away and the same types of things started happening with him new team. There were multiple teams in on that Duchene trade. OTT made it a top 10 protected pick because they were sure that by this year Duchene would have pushed them closer to a deep run....that blew up on them for sure. The AVS will want a lot to get that pick yes, but they MUST have a deep run. I said it the other day. A trade could be laced with conditions. Get the AVS first rounder UNLESS they make the WCF or something like that, then it becomes the OTT 1st, have 2nd rounders swap if that happens as well or some such. At lsat that gets a 1st rounder for sure, and give the potential of a top 5 pick. Of course, thats only if there isn't a better deal out there for the same players, but I think Sakic would feel OK with a trade that lost them that pick if they are in the WCF, he can spin that to the fans, he can spin the need to "win now" rather than have yet another top young player. He also has to think of about 4 years from now when all his young top players will be under big contracts or looking for them...cant focus too much on that but its something to think about. Winning a cup in the next 2-3 years is something they can actually go for with their current top players if they get the right support around them.

Wildcard


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:13 am EST

TD: I echo your thoughts on Graves. I always liked him, too. Yeah, he was stuck behind the parade of LHD but also in no way shape or form was he supported by AV. He didn't get even a single call-up under that man. Shame on Gorton for that but good on Gorton for giving him another opportunity elsewhere.

rF4l


Sat Jan 5 2019 9:11 am EST

Stevie; I will give him a year but I am losing faith in DQ. Even the St. Louis game they looked as if they had no clue. This is a big test for him to adjust their game. I am starting to think he is over his head. When the other team gains possession in our zone they just collapse on the goalie with no pressure on the puck, leaving the point men wide open and it is driving me insane. Looks like a 5 on 5 power play.

Stepunmytoe


Sat Jan 5 2019 7:29 am EST

iCloud trying to set the tone unfortunately did , it was the sound of whistles . I can not believe zucchini jumped on the ice without being told to. Otherwise he should have been benched, which he wasn’t. This is what losing for choosing lottery looks like. The lazy and stupid penalties are the ones that the coach has to wake up and address. They are playing like a college team in the nhl , not a nhl team. Can’t wait for the next game.

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:40 am EST

mf - The part you're either ignoring or failing to see is "that pick" could land them KAKKO or HUGHES...right now, it's about a 13 percent chance of a first overall and a 13 percent chance of a second overall...that's a 26 percent chance of either of those players...then if that doesn't convince you, there's another 12 percent chance they get a top pick, with which they could grab this Russian kid, PODKOLZIN, who has been turning heads at the WJCs...and it's not like those three are the only ones...pretty much, if you're drafting in the top 10 this year, you're gonna get one hell of a player. This draft is just as strong as last year's...maybe stronger. SAKIC trades Ottawa's pick, he's putting his job on the line...Because if you look at the sellers this year...there are going to be PLENTY of players that will be available that will help Colorado's second line, if need be necessary, and who will not cost them a crack at HUGHES...If you REALLY want a good...and reasonable...draft strategy...the Rangers then really need to target teams that are vying for playoff position, but could easily end up in the lottery...I'm talking about Dallas, Florida, Minnesota, or maybe the Canes...I could see those GMs off-loading a lottery pick for a chance at making the playoffs...only to fall short...If the Rangers can get TWO lottery picks...maybe by trading someone like ZUCC along with the Tampa pick...they would be in good position to have what I would term a transformative draft...If they could land Alex TURCOTTE and/or Raphael LAVOIE and/or Ryan SUZKI...I'd be perfectly happy...tickled even. In some regards, a strategy like that would probably be better than trying to gun for a crack at HUGHES...I say this only because there's isn't a chance in hell the Rangers land the first-overall. I just want to make that abundantly clear. Even if there was, the evil hand of Buttman would somehow fuck it up. It did back in the Crosby lottery, that's for sure...

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:23 am EST

Forgot to mention Ryan GRAVES. Very happy to see him getting pro time. I was pretty confident he'd make the show at some point, because a kid with wheels and a cannon like he has, it's only a matter of time...he's another that sort of got lost in the mix with the Rangers because they're so backlogged with LHS defensemen...I doubt he becomes a mainstay in Colorado, but there's always a chance...he didn't get much time against the Rangers until the game was pretty much over...I'm also sorry that the only thing we have to show for him is Chris BIGRAS, who, IMO, will never be anything with this organization. It's not that Bigras is bad...but...SKJEI>STAAL>CLAESSON/SMITH>HAJEK>LINDGREN/GILMOUR>BIGRAS...would take a boatload of injuries and/or trades to change that dynamic...and while I know Graves was essentially off-loaded so that he COULD have a chance at an NHL job...it's a shame they couldn't have gotten a forward back, rather than yet another LHS defenseman.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:15 am EST

limbo/mf - Yeah, as a parent and a hockey player, I can say that if I EVER heard that on my bench or even in the stands, they would be hauling me out in cuffs. I'm glad the kid and his family is making the best of it, because honestly, that's how you fight hate...not fighting it, but confronting it. Making people accountable for their actions. I'm sure there are some players and their parents that are reading that article and taking a nice hard look at themselves...just gut-wrenching to think that shit still happens...It's one thing to chirp a guy...but sweet holy Mary...that's just wrong on so many different levels...again though, the response is laudable. And the fact that the hockey community is getting behind the player really says it all...there might be some douchebags out there in this sport...but in general, the hockey community is like none other. We rally to care of our own. Don't matter where you come from or what you look like.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 5:10 am EST

Few thoughts on the game...First: Y'all asked for it...well, this is the hockey you get sans HAYES...or rather, absent a guy who is ready to play second-line center...Sort of, at least...There really isn't a hockey team out there that's going to be down a man 20 out of the first 29 minutes and come out with a win...and the game was over after they gifted Colorado that 5 minute penalty...So bad officiating, yes...BUT...Guess what? STUPID. OFFENSIVE-ZONE. PENALTY. I can't stress this enough...a guy like McLEOD going hard into the boards against a guy like GIRARD? That's gonna be AT LEAST 2 minutes EVERY. DAY. EVERY. WEEK. You can argue that he turned his back. He did. You can argue 5 minutes was too long. It was. But let's get something straight: WHAT IS THE SENSE IN MAKING THAT HIT?!? I could understand in the defensive zone...but by the goddamn opponent's net?! Hey iClod. How about trying to put the puck in the net instead of the opposing blueliner through the glass? You get points for one and penalized for the other...So we AGAIN get to see what happens when you skate a guy who has cement in his boots against a team with a burner in the lineup...and it's not pretty...It's not that iClod was the source of the Rangers' woes...he most certainly wasn't...but he certainly didn't help them...you beat teams like Pittsburgh and ESPECIALLY Colorado by rolling four lines. The only way you beat speed is by having more speed. And the only way you beat a team that constantly rolls out its first line is by having four on the bench that are quick and ready to go at a moments notice...and...and this is a BIG 'and'...can skate against guys like McKINNON, LANDESKOG and RAANTANEN...doesn't help, however, if you're constantly on the PK...Age is another Achillies heel for this team...there is just too much inexperience...we wonder why this team gets pummeled after they go down a couple goals? Youth. This is what you get with youth...the anti-iClod...Adam McQUAID...Tell you what: This guy is slow, and he's not going to do squat for your offense...but if this were any other season, I would be calling for him to be signed to an extension...ironically, he's the crease-clearer on the right we so desperately needed around the time when McILRATH was flaming out...NAMESTINKOV...is there anyone here who doesn't like this kid still?! Sweet Jesus, I almost feel like he should get the goddamn C. While vets like KREIDER and ZIBANEJAD and HAYES(yesterday at least) are sleep-walking, this guy is ALWAYS in the mix...if he could just get his goddamn hands working, he'd be a hell of a player...I still would have rather had JT MILLER in the lineup, but Names is a very good player...and again, ironically, the type of player the Rangers really needed a couple years ago...And I tell you what: I would try him on a line with Lias ANDERSSON and give those kids some serious minutes. Maybe get VESEY or KREIDER on the other wing..if and when they're ready to throw in the towel, that's the kind of hard-hitting, skilled, speedy line I'd like to see...SHATTENKIRK...ugh...he's joining a looooong line of UFA PPQB failures this organization has signed...Alumni include Dan BOYLE and Wade REDDEN...I tell you what: If there was a guy I'd trade, it'd be him. Ain't gonna get any easier to move him...alas, however, it's never gonna happen. So while we're enjoying these Rangers, we'll get to see Shatty shit the bed.

tdchi


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:59 am EST

Slip sliding away....7 points behind Fishsticks and they have a game in hand....

PJ


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:12 am EST

Potvin- lol

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 5 2019 1:12 am EST

HOSPO- Yup, that was the “Potbon Sucks” chant. At least 1x a period. I had to explain it to three different Avs fans. I’ve been to Vegas, Phoenix, St.Louis and Nashville in the last two years and the Chant makes an appearance every time. It was an embarrassing night, but still fun to be there with the Rangers faithful. Idiot Avs fans taunted me as they left the game early, Lol.

ColoradoMark


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:50 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/04/rangers-kick-off-road-trip-with-an-absolute-clunker/

Stevielegs


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:47 am EST

Rhet: Colorado pulled off a McDonagh like trade unloading Duschene... I don't doubt for a moment that he was a cancer in their organization... The thing is, that pick does nothing for them this season, and may have a minimal impact next season (the rookie year for that player) and they need to make the playoffs this year!, their players aren't getting any younger.... Heck, I'd include LIAS ANDERSON in a trade, and then The AV's can sell it that they got a 1st round top 10 pick back in the trade....

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:34 am EST

MF... To get the OTTAWA #1 pick, COL had to trade Matt Duchene. We're not trading anything of that calibre. Also, the AV's got back a Lottery Protected pick, not a straight number one. The chances of us getting a lottery pick in a straight trade is highly unlikely. IMO, we'll have a better chance just stocking up on picks and seeing what become's available on draft day.

Rhet0ric


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:26 am EST

well, of course they wont matter in 57 years, but 5-7 years also!

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:24 am EST

MF - You may be right...maybe not...My opinion means jack and I, for one DONt, know what GORDO is up to, but hope to find out over the next few months..or sooner..To me, It's not a rbuild unless you deal the likes of Kreided and ZBAD.becaase in 57 years, they wont matter..and the other guys---Hayes, Zucc, SMith, McQuad, WHoever-- wont fetch all that much..And while Gordo has restocked the kennels a bit..it remains to be seen, in the long run, if he did it with pure breeds or mutts (And I like mutts!)

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:19 am EST

SKI: There are teams that need a SHATTENKIRK, IMO he's certainly tradable

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:16 am EST

Hospo, regardless of what "this" is being called, what is clear is that there is a different approach to the contracts being doled out.... We may have paid a bit too much on the Spooner & Namestnikov deals "Dollar-wise," but not in term (length) or with any NTC/NMC contingencies.... MCD & Miller gone likely because of their upcoming resigning.... I can see Hayes and Zucc gone, and to be honest, I don't know if Hayes can compete with the centers of the top teams in the league be it 1st or 2nd lines..... That coupled with his age, next contract based on this seasons production, to state the obvious, we may trade him..... GORTON said he would restock the kennel, he has, and I believe he will continue to, and cut bait on the kids that don't make the grade... Conclusion: we're on a youth movement, and will eventually pick some fruit on the UFA vine..... I hope he trades a bunch of guys, gets another 1st round pick, a couple of 2nd rounders, maybe another 1st rounder for next season, and we go and sign PANARIN & STONE.... Then it's up periscope in the standings, we refrain from trading our own picks along the way, and continue to try to add picks as we shed our weakest players...

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:12 am EST

Exactly Hospo...he’s not only taking up Cap space but Ice space as well...,Ugh for sure

Ski


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:10 am EST

MF: not the reminder I was looking for :)...perhaps the Reddon treatment will be the end to his Saga ( and ours)...hard to see who would grab his special set of skills.

Ski


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:06 am EST

SKI - No argument whatsoever..Captain Kirk has been a disaster...We knew how bad hhis defense was..the only hope was that his offese and PP prowess could make it tolerable...Uh...NOT!

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:03 am EST

MF - The thing is ..I, and maybe the Rangers, dont know what "this" is..I want Gordo and his movesto say.."Ranger Fans.see this? This is this. This ain't somethin' else. This is *this.*"..hopefully over the next few mnths

Hospo


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:03 am EST

SKI: that is $6.65 mill for two more seasons after this one

mf


Sat Jan 5 2019 12:02 am EST

Rhet if you are a team fighting to make the playoffs near the trade deadline and we made a good offer, you might... Was it you, or VIC that said the trade will probably "sting" us to get it done? Well, sting me!

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:59 pm EST

Can someone remind me of what Shatenkirk brings? Poor passing, decision making, etc for $6M per? Some hometown discount, we couldn’t give this guy away at this point....who’d you rather have now, him or Ryan Graves? ;) see what I did there?

Ski


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:54 pm EST

If you were a team missing the playoffs, why on earth would you trade your #1 pick?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:51 pm EST

Not in Da Nile, that's in Egypt.... The teams that pay the most VS the teams that may part with their 1st round pick and not make the playoffs....

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:47 pm EST

MF... I think you're in denial. The teams that pay the most at the trade deadline are the ones that have a shot at going deep in the playoffs. Our best chance at the lottery is most likely going to be our own.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:39 pm EST

losing tonight was like losing to Ottawa in the playoffs

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:38 pm EST

Hospo, this was never going to take less than 3 years

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:38 pm EST

And losing is one thing, especially after getting screwed out of the game in the 1st period, but going out like a buch of meek lambs is something else..two games in aa row

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:38 pm EST

Rhet, then we move on to another team that may not make the playoffs so that we increase our lottery chances and cross our fingers.......

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:35 pm EST

The stomach turning thing is that, rebuild/ tear down or try to reload with some of what's here, looks like we are in for at least 3-5 years of this type of crap.. ONly tharacters will change

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:34 pm EST

MF... They were NEVER going to trade us that pick.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:33 pm EST

Rhet: The Prospect of another 1st round pick !?!?

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:32 pm EST

Larry Brooks should have an interesting column regarding this mess.

tracerm


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:31 pm EST

Mf...or in my case tonight lose for booze!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:28 pm EST

Aves BTW going nowhere in POs as built now. Good teams will keep their 1 line in check more often than not and they got nothing else after that offensively. So feast away on the hasbeens when you can you ohuckers...

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:28 pm EST

MF... There really was never a match between us and Colorado. I don't see which prospect(s) we could have been interested in.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:26 pm EST

Rhdt...yes so he needs to get his $4,500,000 head out of his ass.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:25 pm EST

Lose for EWES!

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:25 pm EST

Sakic isn't going to want anyone off our line-up, there goes that trade partner...... Back to the Lab.....

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:25 pm EST

Lose for Hughes!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:24 pm EST

ZUCC has been a great NYR. I hate to see him end his career in NY this way.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:24 pm EST

I'm Fucking speechless

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:24 pm EST

Poor coaching. They're getting worse

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:23 pm EST

WOW. ZUCC is totally useless.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:22 pm EST

Georgiev wants to go back to Bulgaria after this shit show.

tracerm


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:20 pm EST

No leadership by the vets on this team tonight. Time for an hour-long bag skate right after the game.

tracerm


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:19 pm EST

TRADE THEM ALL

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:18 pm EST

Shoot right into the glove. Yeah that's the ticket!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:17 pm EST

Poor GEO.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:16 pm EST

5 goals against yet Geo has been fabulous.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:16 pm EST

ZUCC making up for lost time on the misconduct and loosing the puck as soon as he can!

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:14 pm EST

Fuck you S trome I was going for the shutout

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:13 pm EST

Strome for Spooner. Good trade!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:12 pm EST

SPOONER with the Goal 5-1

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:12 pm EST

They have to clear the front of the net or at least tie up Rantanan. Jeezus.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:12 pm EST

5- Zeppededo

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:11 pm EST

FIVE GOALS AGAINST !!!! FOUR TRADES TO MAKE !!!! THREE BUNDLES !!!! TWO MORE FIRST ROUND PICKS !!!! AND ANOTHER BORING GAME !!!

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:10 pm EST

2 games and 12 gosls against. And counting.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:09 pm EST

Embarrassing

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:08 pm EST

Mf...none of those teams will tradw away the chance to land Hughes. Top 5 has to be the Rangers own pick.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:08 pm EST

Mr. Gorton........Tear down this team !!!

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:06 pm EST

FOUR NOTHING !!!! Start the trading !!!! Go get us 2 additional 1st round picks!!!!! AV's don't want to trade the Ottawa pick??? Phuck-em !!!! LA, PHILLY, ARIZONA, STL, CHI-TOWN, & MO-TOWN all have competing 1st round picks

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:05 pm EST

That was offsides.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:04 pm EST

Rangers suck.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:01 pm EST

Not lights out, and wish he could have buried thaat, but think Vesey has responded well to the benching.....

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:59 pm EST

Love to see Kreider go from Prancer mode to Beast mode for a period!

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:56 pm EST

I rarely comment on refs or use them as an excuse, but everybody is spot on tonight, they made a travesty of the game.....WILD - Wo..even in Colorado for the "Potvin Sucks" chant? AmaZING..I thought they ight have been subbing in another name od soemthing

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:48 pm EST

Refs phucked up on the McLeod call and have made a mess of the game since. Time and time again we see horrid officiating yet nothing is done. Buttman is a slimy putrid toad-faced prickjob.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:47 pm EST

NYR penalized for 20 of the first 29 minutes of the game. CRAZY. This kind of reminds me of the days when the Baseball umpires used to act like the fans came out to see them.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:45 pm EST

All jokes aside, but this is why they removed the Ref's names from their jerseys ,many moons ago, cause I couldn't tell you for the life of me who these two jokers are. But they sure want to be a big part of this game.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:42 pm EST

actually someone did it at a Colorado Eagles game 2 years ago before they were an AHL team even....lots of Rangers fans here in Colorado

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:42 pm EST

Hospo: It probably was the Potvin sucks chant....its rather prevalent in Colorado at AVS games.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:40 pm EST

Knock Landeskog's light's out next period McQuaid!

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:35 pm EST

Horrible PP....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:35 pm EST

What was that chant i kust heard? Sounded lile a "Potvin Sucks" type..

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:35 pm EST

Why isn't Chytil on the Pzp?

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:34 pm EST

STEP - Was thinking the same..he's just too damn nice..

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:34 pm EST

Passing up many chances....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:33 pm EST

Kreids needs to deck Nemeth

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:32 pm EST

We're still doing the over-passing thing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:31 pm EST

Is Shattenkirk supposed to be a leader?????

rngrsans


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:31 pm EST

Is Shattenkirk supposed to be a leader?????

rngrsans


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:27 pm EST

To me MZA waiting to be traded...

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:27 pm EST

This is a game I just want to see McQuaid or whoever just obliterate Rantaanen Or Mackinnin...

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:26 pm EST

goodnight Gracie...Oh God..

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:24 pm EST

Say goodnight Gracie....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:24 pm EST

WILD... See if this works for you. You might have to click off the boxes... http://drakula.top/hockey/colorado-avalanche-new-york-rangers-rds824924?l=801722487

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:23 pm EST

Shattenkirk blows...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:21 pm EST

Can honeslty say this is the first time in a long while i've been impressed by Georgiev...Hope i dont jinx him!

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:21 pm EST

Hospo...he's a vet and knew he'd get away with it. Love this guy.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:21 pm EST

GEO playing out of his mind....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:19 pm EST

RF4L - good to see A Ranger get pissed and do some damage

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:18 pm EST

Shocked McQuaid didnt get called...Good kill

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:18 pm EST

Resign McQuaid!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:17 pm EST

9 minutes short in first period....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:17 pm EST

Wild...Calling everything....Rangers short most of the game...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:17 pm EST

Marginal, ticky tack garbage being called everywhere. Refs want to be the story tonight. It’s embarasing that this is officiating in the top league in the world.

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:15 pm EST

Lolol...what a league.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:15 pm EST

Agreed the refs have made this game a joke....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:14 pm EST

are these good calls and the Rangers are just playing sloppy...or are the refs trying to be the story? Seems like a LOT of penalties called so far.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:14 pm EST

McKinnon has been on most of the game....Guy is a beast...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:13 pm EST

GEO!!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:13 pm EST

Dumb by both Kreider and Names...What a horrible game...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:12 pm EST

Shittenkirk...

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:11 pm EST

Refs controlling this game. It’s terrible Making hockey unwatchable

rngrsans


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:10 pm EST

WTF? If, they're going to keep calling these non-penalties, why don't we just play 3 on 3?

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:10 pm EST

Thanks Rhet....that is an odd one for sure....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:10 pm EST

I'm glad it was called, but Jeezu Christ what a farce of league..Just play wothout the rfreaking refs

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:09 pm EST

Thanks Mark

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:06 pm EST

WILD... The NYR were in the offensive zone and he jumped on the ice with 5 guys already there for no apparent reason. No one tapped him on the shoulder or anything. It's almost like he was convinced the ref called a penalty or something.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:04 pm EST

RangerLou- meaning last game Ill see Zucc play live. Hoping he gets better! Newfie- welcome to my nightmare! I mention it here often but no one believes me! Peter “Mr. Superlative “ McNabb!

ColoradoMark


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:04 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Morgan Barron tallied an assist, led all skaters with seven shots on goal, and posted a plus-two rating in Cornell's 3-2 win tonight against Princeton. Barron has recorded nine points (five goals, four assists) and 55 shots on goal in 12 games this season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 10:02 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo Following Following @NYRStatsInfo More #NYR prospect Morgan Barron tallied an assist, led all skaters with seven shots on goal, and posted a plus-two rating in Cornell's 3-2 win tonight against Princeton. Barron has recorded nine points (five goals, four assists) and 55 shots on goal in 12 games this season.

RDW


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:57 pm EST

NYR Stats & Info ‏ Verified account @NYRStatsInfo .... #NYR prospect Joey Keane has tallied an assist in tonight's game with London (OHL). He has recorded a point in each of his five games with London (two goals, four assists) and has recorded 26 points (six goals, 20 assists) in 34 OHL games this season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:57 pm EST

Names does seem like he would be a good player to have in the playoffs. Wonder what his value would be as the deadline approaches ?

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:54 pm EST

Hospo……...you are "spot on " on that hit by the way . I was hoping someone else saw that besides me. This is what Cherry talks about all the time, he did pull up (almost a turn back )just as he was releasing the puck. If he had to keep skating and follow through on his pass ,old McCleod would have only gotten a piece. Hard hit though,and you can't do that anymore.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:54 pm EST

Unable to watch the game...what did he do?

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:53 pm EST

PJ Pens are all over Winnipeg 4-0

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:48 pm EST

ZUCCARELLO trade was just called off when the other team saw that boneheaded play. WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT? I don't know if I've ever seen a player do that before.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:48 pm EST

Nice rebound from the Pens massacre...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:47 pm EST

What the hell Zucc??? Nemstnikov, the next Claude Lemieux!

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:47 pm EST

MZA...Getting high in Colorado....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:46 pm EST

Guess zucchini was hanging with hazy in the altitude

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:46 pm EST

Lack of clear communication on the bench! I get the Avs are really good but the Rangers and the coaching staff are sucking tonight. What’s the game plan Quinn???

rngrsans


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:46 pm EST

Does DQ bench him is the question. He should.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:46 pm EST

Leave Zuccarello in Colorado

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:45 pm EST

MZA wants out!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:40 pm EST

VLADDY is our new pest. He pisses everyone off.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:37 pm EST

Hospo...lolol...hope it's not that bad. Lololol

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:37 pm EST

I stayed home for this Crappola??

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:36 pm EST

What was the penalty, I missed it.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:36 pm EST

Fuck off Lickiletti...just fuck off with your endless stroking of the opposition.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:34 pm EST

That was one hell of a pass by SKJEI.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:31 pm EST

Scarecrow to the box...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:30 pm EST

Well, there goes Z-Bad. it will take a small miracle tonight.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:29 pm EST

RF4L - Only if Lundqvist tells him to! :)

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:28 pm EST

Shatty on the top unit?

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:28 pm EST

Gave the Avs exactly what they needed...

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:28 pm EST

Hope they can make a game of it with a goal here...They didnt deserve this shit tonight.They havent quit all year...soo.

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:27 pm EST

Here we go. Now the refs gift the New York Rangers a marginal call. I hate this crap. A whole period of hockey ruined by the refs. Just let them play for fux sake.

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:27 pm EST

What if it gets like 5 0....does DQ put in Lundqvist??

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:26 pm EST

We need to score right here.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:24 pm EST

Georgie is chasing the puck. Needs to settle down.

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:24 pm EST

A bad penalty call and quite a bit of luck and we're down 2-0.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:23 pm EST

If they didn’t have bad luck they’d have no luck at all. That one is on Staal… Should have been able to clear it

RF73


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:23 pm EST

Oh McLeod...

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:23 pm EST

This league sucks. Thanks Buttman.

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:22 pm EST

Call like that costs you the game....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:21 pm EST

E - It is.. and what makes the NHL so unwatchable on so many nights until March..It's why Krieder and alot of otjher plaers dont hit as much as we want

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:20 pm EST

Shit call....Broken stick and 1-0....

PJ


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:19 pm EST

Once again the refs are trying to make it impossible to finish your check. Just ridiculous.

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:16 pm EST

What a BULLSHIT CALL!!

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:15 pm EST

I think he turned just befre he was about to get hit..Pansy ass NHL strikes again

Hospo


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:14 pm EST

5 minute major and suspension coming?

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:13 pm EST

Newfie: It is horrifying isn't it. I cant watch becsaue I don't have any of the big providers of cable or satellite here so I cant not watch their games anymore...but when I am someplace I can I cant stand it.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 9:05 pm EST

Anyone watching the Colorado feed...……...Holy Christ.....I don't ever want to see on here "how bad our broadcast is".....this is gonna be a long game …….I just might have to mute the game and listen to some Pink Floyd !

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:52 pm EST

Colorado Mark... Why do you think this is Zuchs last game???

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:43 pm EST

COMark: Hopefully its a good game for the Rangers....the Pepsi Center is either a really good place for them or hell...its rarely in-between. I just wish I could have gone, just have way too many bills to pay and I am one of those lucky federal employees to have gotten a "paycheck" of zero dollars....actually got a pay statement online with zero dollars....just astounding....but something like tickets to a game are not top priority at the moment!!

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:35 pm EST

Bob...lol...I was wondering the same sort of thing!!

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:23 pm EST

At the Pepsi Center! LGR! Counting on this probably last Zucc as a Ranger game!

ColoradoMark


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:55 pm EST

Bob is that what the coach meant about the altitude?...

Stevielegs


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:54 pm EST

John Giannone ‏ Verified account @jaygeemsg Following Following @jaygeemsg ..... With Kevin Hayes (upper body) out tonight for #NYR, Filip Chytil moves into 2nd line center duty w/Namestnikov & Zucc on wings. Jimmy Vesey returns to lineup on 3rd line w/Howden & Buchnevich. Boo Nieves will center 4th line. NYR-COL “Event” coverage begins 8:30 et @MSGNetworks

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:52 pm EST

Bob: That is a distinct possibility....there is a rather large one between DIA and The Can LOL

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:48 pm EST

Maybe Hayes was at a couple dispensaries sampling the local brownies.

Bob


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:44 pm EST

Sunda almost like a deal is in the works and they made can excuse to not play him....but it could just be coincidence that they are in Colorado a team he is rumored to goto, and he isn't playing and it might be the altitude? What?

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:40 pm EST

Hartford Wolf Pack ‏ Verified account @WolfPackAHL Following Following @WolfPackAHL More WOLF PACK GOAL!!! ???????????? his fifth of the season, scored by #28 Lias Andersson!! Assisted by #11 Ryan Gropp and #95 Vinni Lettieri #SPRvsHFD

RDW


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:32 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph .... DQ said he thinks the flight to Denver and the altitude may have affected Hayes. The coach believes this should just be a one-game thing.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:30 pm EST

Hayes may be out tonight. He's still day to day with an upper body injury.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:29 pm EST

m Cerny ‏ @JimCerny 25s25 seconds ago More A blow but several options of players who can switch back to center tonight RT @NYRangers: #NYR Kevin Hayes will not dress tonight. Upper body - day to day.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:16 pm EST

Hmm, wonder if Howden will sit... per Larry Brooks ‏ @NYP_Brooksie .... Vesey will return to lineup tonight v. Avalanche (per No. 26 following optional morning skate). Don't know which F will be scratched. Appears as if DeAngelo and Smith will remain out on D.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:02 pm EST

NEWFIE... Kirill Slepets is still only 19 and still playing in Europe, so that means he'll have to go back into the draft.... per the CBA 8.9 Eligibility for Play in the League. No Player shall be eligible for play in the League unless he: ...(iii) had played hockey outside of North America in the prior season and was age 22 or older at the time of the last Entry Draft and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and the commencement of the next NHL Season.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:59 pm EST

RDW....Kravtsov and Miller looked outstanding

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:56 pm EST

RDW: At times he is playing at a different level than everyone else on the ice, he sees the ice well, uses his size to protect the puck, gets passes through that his teammates are not expecting and they do nothing with it. But at other times he looked young, is out of position by a bit, is not committed to decision and takes a bit too long. But for a kid, not bad IMHO...he was also playing center, and he hasn't done that all year, or even last year in the KHL/MHL...so he was out of position with different responsibilities....I can say this, I am excited to see him once he settles into his adult body and gets used to North American hockey and the NHL...if he develops at all as everyone hopes he is going to anchor a line I think...he could easily be a top line wing and be very good at it.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:54 pm EST

Newfie: It could have just been he wasn't sure if he was coming over....I mean if its not CERTAIN and CLEAR that they are gong to come across teams shy away. I mean the worst case is that they go after him an a UFA later on....he may have played the game of saying he wasn't going to in order to be a UFA and game the system...I mean why not? If you can then decide what team you goto and you know you need some time developing still why wouldn't you go that route? If being drafted in a mid round isn't a big deal to you, and you could care less? I mean I would, its not delaying your entry into the NHL or even the AHL, spend a couple years getting better, be an un-drafted UFA take your pick of entry level deals offered by probably at least 7 or 8 teams....sure beats being told where you play....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:52 pm EST

Sounds like some of you were watching the game? Any opinions on Kravtsov?

RDW


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:40 pm EST

mf....thanks for the info, that clears things up....now let's go after him.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:37 pm EST

One of the Russian Player was booooed because of his attitudes at the end of the game He sai Fuck you to the crowd

rangerlou


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:37 pm EST

I feel awful for Kostin. The kid is taking it really hard. It's a shame the Russians don't have a shot at the Silver.

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:32 pm EST

1: Kirill Slepets – RW – Loko Yaroslavl Ranked #127 by Hockeyprospect.com Ranked #40 by ISS Hockey Ranked #96 by Future Considerations Ranked #74 by McKeen’s Hockey Ranked #23 by NHL Central Scouting (EU Skaters) Ranked #82 by Larry Fisher (THW) While Kirill Slepets was certainly not a household name heading into the 2017 NHL Draft, he was expected by most to be a mid-round selection, even ranked as high as 40th overall by ISS. Slepets is a 5’10”, 154-pound winger from Russia, playing with Loko Yaroslavl of the MHL this year. He put up a respectable eight goals and 18 points over 41 games, but was a standout for Russia at the World U18 Championships, where he added four goals and six points in seven games. http://gty.im/671941182 Despite being a relatively small forward, Slepets has the skating ability and elusiveness to be a dangerous player in the offensive zone. He competes extremely hard every shift and can hold his own below the half wall. He possesses a quick release and an accurate shot which makes him a threat from between the circles. As a whole, Slepets was expected to be drafted anywhere within the second and fourth rounds. He definitely didn’t seem to be a borderline player from anyone’s perspective, making the result of being undrafted very surprising. Perhaps GM’s across the league got a sense that his intention was to stay in Russia, but without confirmation of that, we are left fairly shocked. ........ https://thehockeywriters.com/2017-nhl-draft-recap-top-5-undrafted-players/

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:30 pm EST

Wild....yes, the announcers said he was undrafted and you may be right,probably made it known he wasn't coming over. Boy, quite the player though.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:29 pm EST

Kravtsov had a boatload of chances in this game, but could not get the puck past Primeau. The kid looks completely gutted.

Bob


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:29 pm EST

Brutal coaching job by the Russian coach at the end of the game.Wouldn't draw the goalie and had the top line in and out like a yo-yo under two mins...…...just brutal. Congrats to the US kids,very good shot now at the Gold.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 6:21 pm EST

Newfie: Can only find that he was draft eligible in 2017....nothing saying he was drafted...some of the draft year stuff talked about "late round flyer" and stuff about him....not sure, maybe he didnt make it clear he wanted to leave to come to north america or something....not sure if he would be a UFA yet or if he must still go into the draft as an older player....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:49 pm EST

Any chance of us getting our hands on this kid Slepets ? He is undrafted.

Newfie_Ranger


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:33 pm EST

Hey...didn't know this - US goalie is Keith Primeau's kid...

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:31 pm EST

rf4l: I don't know how many players (especially young) that would be thinking about protecting themselves after the horn....

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:30 pm EST

Kravtsov like Chytil before him needs to learn to protect himself. That said that was 1 nasty crosscheck by the US playet.

RF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:29 pm EST

TD: excellent article albeit from the Washington Compost. As a result, I'm willing to look past any of your weird references to "Granny's 50 year old undergarments."

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 5:08 pm EST

TD - what an upsetting and uplifting story. Thanks for sharing. Horrible that this stuff still happens. You would hope that in a few more generations that kind of crap happens less and less. But sometimes it's easy to despair that we are just a doomed and f'ed up species. But the fact that his teammates rallied around this kid AND that the kid and family keep striving forward, gives some of that hope back...

limbo


Fri Jan 4 2019 4:58 pm EST

After the cheap shot on KRAVSTOV, I might have to root for the Russians now... https://twitter.com/TheDraftAnalyst/status/1081306909121097728

Rhet0ric


Fri Jan 4 2019 4:38 pm EST

Wildcard - unfortunately, PEDRIE never really dialed it up. He had a few injuries last season, but was somewhat solid...still, he wasn’t standing out much...and when they pumped Hartford full of defensemen...the writing was on the wall...when DAY came back up, I kinda knew he was gonna get kicked to the curb. I’m not sure what the Rangers could have gotten for him other than another marginal player...I strongly suspect he asked to leave so he can go to Europe. Better money. Better opportunity. Less bus riding.

tdchi


Fri Jan 4 2019 3:21 pm EST

td: I am a little surprised they didn't trade him to a team with like zero depth for a song and a dance....I wonder if he really wants out of the AHL that bad or if there were set no takers that gave him the chance to move up....just seems out of the blue...usually that happens with kids from across the pond, not the US.

Wildcard


Fri Jan 4 2019 1:30 pm EST

Canada: “We’re gonna rag on a 19-year-old Quebecqoise for his performance.” America: “Hold my beer...” https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/a-black-hockey-player-faced-ugly-racial-taunts-then-his-teammates-went-to-work/2019/01/03/3148f5a2-0f49-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html?noredirect=on

tdchi


Fri Jan 4 2019 1:27 pm EST

RDW: Agreed. E: If it changes on draft day it's because the Ottawa pick didn't win the lottery.

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 1:20 pm EST

Leaders or Laggards? Today's "The Hockey News" has a couple or three articles on topics we cover here... I suspect there may be some LB "morphlings" trolling, "THE WALL!" ..... https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/the-avalanche-have-a-lethal-top-line-now-its-time-to-address-the-lack-of-depth ..... https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/kaapo-kakko-is-proving-hes-the-real-deal-for-the-2019-draft ..... https://thehockeynews.com/latest-news

mf


Fri Jan 4 2019 1:18 pm EST

Vince PEDRIE on unconditional waivers from the Pack. No real surprise there. Good player, but he had ZERO chance of a future in Hartford, much less New York. Gives him a chance to seek options overseas and maybe reboot his career in North America...kind of surprised they didn’t do it sooner.

tdchi


Fri Jan 4 2019 12:34 pm EST

If Sakic was trading that pick he’d be an idiot. It would take a Kings ransom to give it up. Could that change on draft day? That’s a possibility. Not likely but possible.

E


Fri Jan 4 2019 12:07 pm EST

Sorry, "is looking to keep"

RDW


Fri Jan 4 2019 12:06 pm EST

RF4L: I don't doubt that Sakic probably isn't looking to keep that pick. That being said, if he wants to upgrade their 2nd line what can he offer then? Makar? That's about it if he wants to get anything significant in return

RDW


Fri Jan 4 2019 11:25 am EST

Doing some internet surfing this AM and from everything I can find (which isn't a lot) I think this is a safe declaration to make: Sakic will NOT trade Ottawa's first pick. And I don't blame him - the potential Hughes brings is simply too great to bypass. It'll be their own pick that Sakic would make available I suspect.

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:39 am EST

From Comtois agency: "It is shameful and incomprehensible that a few cowards who can hide behind social media could make such vicious attacks on these young men's character after they have battled their hearts out for their country," the statement reads. "We will make this one and only statement on this subject, so not to validate anymore the cowardly comments made on social media. It was Maxime’s idea to use this as a learning moment for all of the youth of Canada, that cyber bullying is a real problem, and like all bullies, we all need to stand up to them and call them out for what they are. Thank you for shedding a spotlight on a major problem in our society." Damn right it's bullying. Phucking cowards behind keyboards - what a society we live in, eh?

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:34 am EST

The criticism of Contois has reached ridiculous levels - he's being ripped for his penalty shot attempt. Ridiculous. Now some French politician is barking that's it's the anti-Francophone side of Canada that's responsible. LOL. What an idiot. It's hockey - it's got 0 to do with the language the kid speaks.

rF4l


Fri Jan 4 2019 8:20 am EST

TD: Yes. They look like a monkeys humping footballs. Crack that whip and start making PROGRESS. He talked about it enough.

Stepunmytoe


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:38 am EST

Whoa...we're already ganging up in QUINN?!? C'mon guys.

tdchi


Fri Jan 4 2019 7:35 am EST

Wildcard - I never said KAKKO was/is a bad player or that he won't be anything...I just don't think he's nearly on the level of LAINE and is a step down from KOTKANIEMI. Yeah sure. Playing against men...blah blah...Truth is, HUGHES has played three games in this tourney and shown more than KAKKO has in five. Not to say the guy isn't good. I just don't think he's the next JAGR or LAINE and I don't think he'll be the type of impact player Hughes is. Would I like him on the Rangers? ABSOLUTELY. But to carry this farther, there are a good six or seven guys that are going in the top 15 that I'd like on the Rangers.

tdchi


Fri Jan 4 2019 12:09 am EST

I would like to see some improvement after the deadline and starting next year !!!

Ilya


Fri Jan 4 2019 12:07 am EST

In order to get DQ type of players Gorton needs to go and get them, not a bunch of rookies but already young established players that can fill the holes, if he trades Hayes and Zukk ,Shattenkirk he’s got to get established players that can play the style that DQ wants and if he goes out and makes similar deals he did last year like Namestnikov or Spooner he should be on Hot seat !!!

Ilya


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:48 pm EST

RF4L— yeah, I get it. Saw Comtois play for the Ducks early and he was not out of place playing NHL games, and he was a punishing winger. Then I start reading about him diving all over the place. I did not see that, and would be surprised. The kid is a real prospect. And I get that the IIHF stages the competition in Canada due to the revenue it brings. I admire you all for your dedication to all things hockey. It is the greatest sport by a wide margin, and despite you buddy Bettman and these idiotic referees, continues to grow in spite of them.

Bob


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:30 pm EST

Crosby with a fine PR move: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sidney-crosby-rewards-hilarious-heckler-signed-stick/

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:29 pm EST

Can the Rangers trade for this guy?? https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/bortuzzo-goes-payback-tom-wilson-past-hit-sundqvist/

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:28 pm EST

Ok. I won't call for DQ to be fired for 1 year. Then I'm all for complete roster overhaul. I am officially done with Buch. He Zucc and Hayes need to go. Shatt, Smith an Staal on back end. Still disappointed in DQ to some degree.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:17 pm EST

step: I'll take it one step (ha!) further: It's the ingrained mindset of the team that was developed under 5 years of AV. Look at who we consider the key members of the team currently: MZA, Kreider, Staal, Hayes, Fast and the King, plus to a lesser degree Skjei and Z. Of these 8 players, most know Ranger hockey as AV hockey. Some are going to take longer to transition their game; some won't at all. The latter will be traded and a few of the former may go, too. It's a work in progress and for sure, will take longer than 3 months to address.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:09 pm EST

TD: BTW, as my post shows, Canada isn't always the favourite now. Hell, if your country wins, you'll have double the golds vs Canada over that stretch. Part of the reason we're considered favourites so often is because so many tourneys, due to this being the only country that financially supports them, are held here. The other part is we have media coverage that dwarfs every other country because of our obsession with the game of hockey. I recall when the US fielded (or is called courted?) a basketball team in the Olympics that was made up of pro NBA players, the media hype in the US was beyond over the top. It would be same if football was played in world tourneys like this.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:04 pm EST

TD: I didn't like the 14 nothing run-up either but Canada has lost out in the past due to coming out on the short end of a opening round standings tie because they didn't score enough goals. It's a dumbass rule but exits due to the relative shortness of these tourneys.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:03 pm EST

Ok. It's the personnel that skate around like headless chickens with no apparent assignments when protecting a lead. Seems to me then this whole roster needs a turnover cause I see nothing of what DQ told us we'd see. I wasn't expecting the cup but at least improvements as the year has gone would be nice.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:02 pm EST

BTW, here's an interesting stat: Since Canada won 5 straight WJC golds (last one in 2009), the tourney's competitiveness has changed. To that point Canada and Russia had won 27 of 33 gold. Since then, what a change: USA 3, FIN 2, CAN 2, RUS 1, SWE 1.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:58 pm EST

Bob...part of the reason for that is the WJC tourney draws basically nothing anywhere but Canada. Even the big money realized when in the US happens when the host is a border town and a bulk of the tickets are purchased by Canadians. It's a big thing here in other words and TSN, like any other TV station, leverages that for ratings. As you cite, that also serves to help create enormous pressure on the Canadian entry to the point where sometimes, it's ridiculous. Apparently, Comtois instagram ID was subjected to a slew of over-the-top nasty comments. Imagine - a 19 year old kid playing for his country villianized for trying too hard. I didn't like some of his antics but cannot imagine for a second attacking him personally like that. Bullying in another form AFAIC.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:39 pm EST

Step.....it's the personell……….Scotty Bowman couldn't get Zucc ,Hayes ,Buch and company to play relentless, 'in your face' hockey .It's just as simple as that. DQ has done wonders with this team for what he has and when Hank plays well,we can string together a few wins. Like Hospo says,let's wait to see what moves are made at the deadline.Then we will know more.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:27 pm EST

NEWFIE - All that is very true and I hope we soon find out what moves Gordo is going to make to change this team for the future (time table a big question) and make it more what DQ wants...There are very few DQ tyoe of players (if we believe his words) on this roster..All that being said, in the meantime, they could be playing smarter, moe consistent and more desperate hockey than they have for the last 10-15 games

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:26 pm EST

Newfie: Ok. I accept that you say the roster is bad. That still doesn't explain the apparent lack of relentless, in your face, hard to play against style this guy promised the day he was hired. The team is extremely inconsistent each game. You never know what your gonna see out of them and that shouldn't be this deep in season. They should have at the very least an identity as a team. I don't see it and that is on DQ imo.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:03 pm EST

Step...this is just my opinion for what it's worth to you......this is NOT a very good team . Hayes is our best forward, and Shattenkirk is our show case D-man.Our four lines just don't match up. DQ does not have the right personell to play the game he wants them too. It's a good brand , I hope they stick with DQ and management makes the correct changes. Watch some more TB, Bruins and WPG games and see what real teams play hockey like.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:57 pm EST

td: that one guy on twitter...cant remember his name for the life of me right now...anyway, I think he is a Britt, but he was tweeting about how in the KHL Kravtsov would make the same types of passes and players would miss them, miss the net, or try something other than shooting it or whatever....he feels that on a better team with better players he would have even more points than he does already in the KHL...and he for his age is really putting up points. I have read a lot of stuff from NON rangers people who have said that Rangers fans will be really happy with him once he gets settled into the NHL.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:53 pm EST

td: Regardless of the tourney right now, that finish kid in this years draft is playing at a high level against men night in and night out....maybe he wont be as good...but he is going to be a dynamic player I think in the NHL....Hughes gets massive numbers of points against other kids, but against the bigger stronger players he struggles to be as dominant....as I said the other day, he may be just developing size wise a bit slower and he will get there, if he doesnt he will be hampered at the NHL level. Thats what the scouts get paid the big bucks for, if they see it as an issue he will "slide" to the 2nd pick maybe the 3rd, but he is not a guy who will suffer greatly in the NHL regardless, he will help a team get much much better. It really comes down to how much better he will be as an NHL player, he may be equal to the guy right behind him when its all said and done....the hype around Hughs has hidden the kids right behind him a bit, but I think this year the top 2 or 3 guys are really REALLY close when it comes down to it. We as a fan base are a little obsessed with the one kid from each draft, there is almost always one and if there isn't its called a weak draft even if the scouting community thinks its a really good deep draft...."we" need that one name to focus on for whatever reason. I dont think any of the top 3 selections will leave a team wishing they had another pick this year....jsut feels that way for some reason.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:51 pm EST

And while we're on the WJCs, let's take a quick second to mention KRAVTSOV - He's having one f'in hell of a tournament. Helps that the overall talent, sans Jack HUGHES, is...well...kind of low this year...but he's definitely in the top 10 in the tourney...maybe the top 5. It's like he has eyes in the back of his head...he can see guys from across the ice and can get them the puck...has no issues stick-handling under pressure or in traffic...He's a much more polished player than, say, BUCHNEVICH was in this tourney...definitely one of the leading reasons Russia is in the medal round. Part of me wanted more from him...but the more I watch, the more I'm reminded that this is simply one of the best players in this tournament. When he puts on a few pounds and fills out his frame, he's going to be VERY dangerous. Players already can't get the puck away from him and he hasn't even broken 2 bills...Having now seen WAHLSTROM, BOUCHARD and DOBSON in this tourney, I gotta say I'm very comfortable with this pick.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:50 pm EST

I liked the hiring of DQ and all he said at the beginning. However my support for him is getting a little wobbly. I'm mean that game in St. Louis was a disgrace. After last nights debacle, I got to asking myself if the talent on this team is that bad. I really don't think it is. DQ stated that the goal is to improve everyday ( I feel that they have not improved and may have regressed a bit ). He also said they would be relentless and hard to play against ( again, I don't see that ). Even if you feel the team lacks talent ( again I don't ), you would think you would see an improvement in their physicality and relentless forecheck. All year the forwards have been getting caught too deep, often 3 players below the goal line on one side of the ice resulting in way too many odd man rushes. It still happening. I think their offensive zone positioning and spacing sucks. Defensively, we all see them choking on leads all year. Again I haven't seen improvement in that department. My point is DQ needs to do a better job MAKING these players play the style he wants. We would be the worst team in the league if not for Hank. Is the roster that bad ? Or does the coach deserve a good chunk of the blame here ? Someone talk me off of the anti DQ ledge. I'm getting close.

Stepunmytoe


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:47 pm EST

td: yeah...I am sure that no one, not one person who supports him in the lineup feels like he is not at least one of the 5 slowest, if not the slowest, guys in the NHL...I cant think of a slower guy, but there are some really slow guys out there, but damn..he needs to make the absolute perfect read in order to be in the play....agaisnt average speed teams, and average speed lines he is effective in that way, he can gets hits, he can change the tempo, he isn't bad, but against a team with above average speed or quickness he is absolutely neutralized.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:45 pm EST

RF4L - Hope not about one of the goners..and..on DQ.....Of course he does..even if it's in consiltation with The King....Nthing wrong with that...He's earned it..If it starts running contrary to trying to win..DQ will make the right choice..or learn to...

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:44 pm EST

Rhet0ric/mf - My personal belief? LAINE > KOTKANIEMI > KAKKO...I don't think either Kotkaniemi or Kakko will ever be the player LAINE is...But that's based largely on their performance at the WJCs...Kakko, like Kotkaniemi, has his 'wow' moments...but Laine, along with AHO and PULJUJARVI, basically took over the tournament. Tough to say where either of the younger Finns are going to land...but I just can't see them having the same impact as Laine, who was a star in the making at that age...I'll also say this: HUGHES > KAKKO. If I'm picking first in the draft, there's is no way in hell I'd pick anyone other than Hughes. It's not even close.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:38 pm EST

PJ - Subjective feelings aside...the one undeniable truth about iClod is that the guy is SLOOOOOOOO-OOOOOW. Calling him the slowest guy in the NHL, sadly, is not an exaggeration. He may bring size and toughness...the bench intangibles...but skate him against Pittsburgh? Yeah, you're pretty much asking for trouble.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:28 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger - Tell you what: That Swiss team is a heck of a team...I know you're kinda tongue-and-cheeking there, but they've put on a show thus far. And I wouldn't be overly surprised to see them take home a medal...I'm rooting for the U.S...but if there's a team I wouldn't mind watching them lose to, it'd be the Swiss...talk about a program that has come leaps and bounds over the past five or six years.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:27 pm EST

td: where I play (when I have the time and money) if one team is just destroying the other you swap things up. if its the goalie that is just not doing well, we swap goalies....if its s player that is just dominant...he/she will swap teams...its more fun when its close, if you are just destroying a team its also not so much fun...thats not why I play anyway. Now its not a WJC tourney of course, but if you want to build hockey in these countries, you are not going to do it if kids that are interested look and see that the national team got spanked by 14 goals...who wants to sign up for that crap?

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:23 pm EST

I think those Canadian kids have a ton of unnecessary pressure put onto them, and TSN is the main culprit causing it. Now, TSN must also rake in the cash for this tournament and the hype around it, that they have whipped up over the years. I really enjoy watching this tournament, love watching the kids play, love Gord Miller and Ray Ferraro calling it, but do not enjoy the TSN hype machine during the games. I have to smile when every USA game played in Canada features the atmosphere of a road game for the US regardless of the opponent.

Bob


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:21 pm EST

Wildcard - That may be the case...and perhaps that explains it...If it is, then that's something the IIHF needs to do away with. It goes without saying, losing SUCKS. Doesn't matter if you're on a mites team, a college team, a pro team or a senior beer league team...if you're losing, you're generally not having that much fun...but getting shit-stomped like the Danes did? That's just soul crushing...and it's such poor sportsmanship...I can tell you when my beer league team is up six or seven goals, we dial it down. That's what you do, because at that point, what's the sense? What are you proving? So maybe that was it...Canada was just jockeying for first...but man...that was an ugly game...it was embarrassing to watch. I felt majorly sorry for the Danes, who didn't have a choice but to come out for the third period...and then watching the Canadians and their fans just continue to cheer and jeer? Well, it was nice to see the tables turned.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:14 pm EST

RF4L - I tell you what: I don't have anything against the Canadian players...and to a degree, I feel bad that they're getting treated the way they are...Of course, much of that treatment is coming from Canadians...What COMTOIS is going through now is almost identical to what Jake VIRTANEN went through a few years back...just totally villainized and bashed...but man, were these cats a cocky crew...just kind of struck me as smarmy and unduly confident...I suppose some of my distaste originates with how they were constantly being put on a pedestal by TSN and fans...it was embarrassing some of the snide smarmy remarks that were getting kicked around the internet...ESPECIALLY after the sorry-ass Denmark game. It was as if they were the friggin' 1980s Edmonton Oilers...the behemoth powerhouse...would be a little bit like if the varsity football team whipped the piss out of a Pop Warner team and then bragged about how great they were afterward...never got the sense from those guys that there was an ounce of humble...I mean, I feel bad for any team that loses in this tourney, because it's such a hard competition...and even teams like the Danes train their every-loving assess off...but the Canadians? There might be three or four guys on that squad that don't have NHL careers...and even they will at least have a cup of coffee...So I apologize if my tone toward Canada seems a bit harsh...It was somewhat unintended...but they're always the favorite. And there's a certain degree of shameful joy when the favorite hits the skids.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:57 pm EST

Hospo...oh so you feel DQ has the say on who's in net...

RF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:56 pm EST

Puck...and both are goners!!!

RF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:55 pm EST

Puckyou - Hayes penchant for power play passing (how's that for an alliteration) is a double edge sword but, i'kk be hinest, he scares the beejeezus out of me as the point on the Power Play

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:34 pm EST

Stevie-they’ve passed too much for years , which is a major reason the pp has sucked. Biggest perpetrator is Zucc, 2nd is Hayes

Puckyou


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:03 pm EST

'' "GREENBURGH, N.Y. – Henrik Lundqvist took the blame for Wednesday night’s 7-2 loss to the Penguins. Then Rangers coach David Quinn took it back for playing Lundqvist in the first place after two grueling road games and with three more tough road games to follow. But Lundqvist said on Thursday that the puck stops here. It was his responsibility to play better no matter how he felt. He didn’t, and the All-Star goalie will be rested on Friday when the Rangers visit Colorado to begin a tough three-game road trip. “Again, it’s on me,” Lundqvist said. “I’m playing. I appreciate any support, but it comes down to my execution. You’re not going to feel perfect every night. You just need to find a way and [Wednesday] when we played a skilled team they made us pay for mistakes.” Lundqvist, who will represent the Rangers at the Jan. 26 All-Star Game in San Jose, gave up six goals on 18 shots and was pulled early in the third period for Alexandar Georgiev with the Rangers trailing 6-2. Georgiev will start against the Avalanche. Lundqvist will return on Sunday against Arizona and presumably start in Las Vegas on Tuesday. With a day to think about it, Quinn said: “It bothers me more that I didn’t pull him earlier. That’s the thing that I really, looking back, regret. But it’s all over with and we’re moving forward. I know it’s a good topic, but, really, we lost 7-2.” Lundqvist will see plenty of time on the ice over the next period of time. The Rangers are playing every other day until the 13th, when they will finish a back-to-back in Columbus after playing a home-and-home against the Islanders on the 10th (at the Garden) and 12th (at Barclays Center). It’s a lot of hockey. Somebody’s got to play it. “It’s hard,” Lundqvist said. “Sometimes you can play 10, 15 straight without getting tired and then you play a couple games which are so intense and emotional, it takes a toll on you . . . I’m sure [I was] a little tired [Wednesday], but if you only play when you feel 100 percent perfect, you will not play a lot of games in the league. You have to find ways to find that energy, find that focus. But some nights it’s just going to be a little harder. "

stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:00 pm EST

PJ they pass too much....SHOOT THE PUCK.....

stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:57 pm EST

Agree it was one game but they sure played a good first period...On the first PP they had the puck on a string but couldn't convert...If Names could convert some his chances we would really have something...

PJ


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:47 pm EST

Stevie: I would be stunned if they coaching staff and the GM (and staff) have not been speaking all season about players that are and are not working and what type of players DQ and his staff want.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:34 pm EST

The nyr played New Year’s Eve , then proceeded to probably party . They were not ready to play on January 2 nd. They were an Apple turnover machine. Bad game , move on . I think the rookie coach is having a hard time getting thru them in some areas. Fishpie needs to know and move some that are not fitting with his coach.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:27 pm EST

PJ- Mcleod looked bad, Hayes looked bad, the entire team looked bad or was invisible after the 1st..They can play smarter and better

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:24 pm EST

RF4L - Not sure how you got that from what I said...He's the best player on the team..DQ should and does play himm as much as possible...Like any top goalie, The King wants to play every game..DQ has rested him enough..and last night he hopefully learned that he needs to trust his own judgement on when to pull

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:24 pm EST

I would imagine playing is Hank's choice...Maybe that is what will change....

PJ


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:23 pm EST

The McLeod factor did not work last night...He looked bad in both zones...Hayes no luck stickhandling through that team....Haven't seen him look that bad in a long time....

PJ


Thu Jan 3 2019 5:59 pm EST

The mighty Quinney is probably talking to allaire and hanky, and learning from there .

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:57 pm EST

RF4L/Hospo: I'd say for better or worse, Hank is the leader of this team. We have some other vets but Hank seems to have an intensity that, aside from McLeod, nobody can really match. He's our best player and the main reason we're not last in the division. My guess is DQ wants to keep him happy and give him the benefit of the doubt in most situations. That being said, I think he realized last night was a moment where he had to pull Hank and deal with him getting pissed about it.

RDW


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:50 pm EST

Hospo: Mmmm...so you think it's the King who decides when he plays (and when he can be pulled)?

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:50 pm EST

Rhet: no worries, I want to watch more highlight reels on some of these kids.... This kid Kaapo Kakko, may be a better choice as a #1 pick than the diminutive HUGHES..... I have to watch tape.... Which brings me back to Ottawa's 1st round pick sitting in Colorado.....

mf


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:20 pm EST

RF4L - I think that's making a bit too much out of The King-DQ thing..Lundqvist is the Rangers best player and should be played as often as possible..and DQ obviously believes that by the way he has handled Thim..All DQ needs to decide and be firm on is when DQ wants to give himn a rest and when DQ wants to pull him if he's having an off night...He's still a rookie NHL coach and also learning..and last night I think he learned that he needs to decide himself when to pull goalies..Good for all

Hospo


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:10 pm EST

MF... I wouldn't characterize it as 'calling you out', but KAKKO is the bomb.... in regard to TOKARSKI: He's a career AHL-er who's played decently of late. Max we would get for him is another career AHL-er, unless maybe there was a team out there ravaged by injury. His greatest value to us is likely that we keep him right where he is.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 4:01 pm EST

I wonder if DQ's thinking on how to handle the goaltending issue consisted of 'Am I ready to stop asking Hank if he wants to play and decide on myself who goes in net, from game to game AND within a game?' and an immediate 'no, I'm not.' Of course, if this is indeed the situation, he'll not divulge it to the media. It’s rather contrary to the control he seems to have otherwise (re everyone else) in terms of who dresses and who doesn't and those who dress, how much icetime they get in a given game. If is the situation, does it bug DQ because basically, the King is autonomous in that regard. Two sets of rules, in other words. Now before I get attacked and insulted for posting this, please keep in mind I'm not declaring this is fact. I'm just musing….

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 3:42 pm EST

Rhet: I started watching some highlight film on Koppa Cocka, Ham Cappicola, after yu called me out on my choices for Draft Picks #2 & #3.... You were correct sir, this kid reminds me of a young Jaromir Jagr.....

mf


Thu Jan 3 2019 3:35 pm EST

The Hockey News ‏ Verified account @TheHockeyNews .... Kaapo Kakko has a ton of potential and the versatility to become an NHL star. Is he the next Jesperi Kotkaniemi, or should we be looking at the Patrik Laine category? @THNRyanKennedy with more from Vancouver: https://twitter.com/TheHockeyNews/status/1080924302730498049

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 3:10 pm EST

Gilmour to the AHL All-Star game.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 3:08 pm EST

Congrats to #NYR prospect John Gilmour being nominated to the #AHLAllStar game! @WolfPackAHL #FeelTheImPACKt @HawkCrawford... https://twitter.com/Zak4B/status/1080917013554356225

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 2:53 pm EST

NEW YORK -- Sidney Crosby has heard all the taunts, chirps and mockery a hockey player can hear during his career. The biggest star in the NHL, he's also perhaps its most derided: from Washington Capitals fans showing up to games with pacifiers to signs in Philadelphia challenging his manhood. But on Wednesday night at Madison Square Garden, the ridicule was so scathing that the Pittsburgh Penguins captain actually felt compelled to reward it. Nick Lipeika, a New York Rangers fan, received an autographed stick from Crosby after the Penguins' 7-2 rout of the Rangers in New York. The inscription read: "Good chirps. Take it easy on me next time!" "Not a lot of cool things happen to me, but this is up there, for sure," Lipeika told ESPN on Thursday. Rough 7-2 loss last night for @NYRangers but at least Crosby respected our trash talk game! #gameknowsgame #respect @WeBleedBlueNYC @NHL pic.twitter.com/xzZS2ebENs — Marcus Mouning (@Marcus_Mouning) January 3, 2019

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 2:50 pm EST

I came across this on Twitter-Here’s a depressing, revealing stat: Since the #NYR? ? last won the Cup, they’ve had one homegrown player score 30 or more goals: Petr Prucha in 2006.

tlats


Thu Jan 3 2019 2:01 pm EST

Irving moofman ask the shell answer man who obviously is alive but not well....

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 1:06 pm EST

From the context of, "leave no stone unturned," anyone think NYR G "TOKARSKI" has some trade value? ... Any other Goaltenders in the NYR System that's not going to make the big club, should we consider moving them this season? t/y

mf


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:35 pm EST

Quinn says Georgiev will go tomorrow in Denver and Lundqvist will get a rest. Asked if last night made him rethink how he deals with this going forward, Quinn said, “A little bit. Not a lot.” #NYR

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 11:40 am EST

#NYR With no Hayes (maintenance), ? ? practice: ...Kreider-Zibanejad-Fast... Namestnikov-Strome-Zuccarello... Chytil-Howden-Buchnevich... McLeod-Nieves-Vesey... Skjei-McQuaid... Staal-Pionk.... Claesson-Shattenkirk... Smith-DeAngelo.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 11:28 am EST

https://eyesonisles.com/2019/01/02/new-york-islanders-trade-deadline-strategy-buy-dont-rent/

mf


Thu Jan 3 2019 11:11 am EST

Brett Cyrgalis ‏ Verified account @BrettCyrgalis .... #NYR GM Jeff Gorton is back from the World Juniors in Vancouver and here at practice before team heads out on three-game road trip.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 10:53 am EST

Wildcard.....….I'll send a case of Kleenex over as soon as possible ! Poor kids.

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:15 am EST

On that last....love it from Kreider...but I would have loved to see him in the fastest skater competition...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:15 am EST

Jim Cerny ‏ @JimCerny 45s45 seconds ago More Gotta love #NYR Kreids, speaking with @NYP_Brooksie about not making All-Star Game “I never once thought about it. I mean, unless they have a skills competition for guys screening the goalie, I’m not sure what I’d contribute to that.”

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 9:00 am EST

Newfie: At last the Swedes had an excuse, and a good one, of half the team recovering form the flu...they couldn't have been at 100%....really bad luck for that team to get sick like that....just terrible timing...

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:54 am EST

Ola.....just taking a chance to stick the knife in on the young Canadians hey, (LOL)…….you wouldn't be trying to gloss over the fact that the Swedes lost to the Swiss now, would you ?

Newfie_Ranger


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:49 am EST

Hospo....I think it was the opposite for Matt Cullen. He was signed to be top 6 forward and ended up being a $4 Million dollar per year 3rd liner.

tradestar28


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:46 am EST

rf4l: I was confused by the typo there...it was like you were contradicting your own post....good catch to correct it LOL.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:44 am EST

oops...aren't battling...

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:44 am EST

DQ blaming himself for starting the King. So why did he start the King? And what, if anything, did he learn from this? The King clearly is the single biggest reason the Rangers are battling Ottawa for last overall - will DQ start him less after this? In 40 games, the King has started 30 of them. Only 1 in 4 does Geo get the start. Will that ratio change? Something tells me no, at least not until/unless Gorton trades away vets at the deadline. We'll see...

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:38 am EST

Tough loss for the Canadian kids. In this tournament they were involved in 7-8 pretty ugly diving incidents. That is like at least twice the amount other nations were involved in, and I don't think the Swedes/Finns were involved in any (didn't see the entire Can-Fin game last night so I might have missed some). Even against Denmark there were some dives. Its funny that Canada have become the Italy of hockey. When any nation play Canada the experts before the game will lift up the flipping and flopping as a thing to watch out for before the game. Before it was, don't get intimiated. Now it is, be aware of the flipping and flopping. They had Hunter behind the bench for this tournament. Where is the world heading lol?

Ola


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:37 am EST

rf4l: Thats another thing I think is crap. Sure when you have games day after day you need to limit the length so have a shootout. But in elimination games with days off in between....hell no..OT till its over. And these are kids, they make mistakes, OTs will not be like NHL OTs and go 4 or 5 in length, they will likely be over in less than 10 min in most cases....maybe the handful of double OT games but I bet it would be really rare. Just hate that a gold medal can be awarded based on a shootout....doesnt seem right.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:31 am EST

Wild: Agreed (holy crap) on the number of goal tie-breaker. Remember it's international rule hockey that's given us the shoot-out. They do it for elimination games, too!

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:30 am EST

SO the Rangers go into Colorado coming off a bad BAD night abasing the Pens. The AVS are tying to shake out of a long streak of not so great play.....wonder what breaks loose....one of these teams will rebound a bit here, get a much needed W. The AVS likely feel the need for it more, like it or not I am sure the Rangers players know the position the team is in and may already be thinking about trades. I think its hitting Hayes right now. He knows the negotiations are starting, I think he felt he wouldn't be moved until the two sides talked, that is now, and at any time the bottom could fall out or he could be signing long term. His game slid a little, and thats normally what happens when players are facing this kind of thing. Got to think other players will start to be affected by trade possibilities and wondering how will go and the like.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:25 am EST

Have a nice 3 game road trip nyr . Group hug movie time.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:25 am EST

I am sure Leafs nation is not in any distress at all over that...none at all....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:24 am EST

More Replying to @MapleLeafs Frederik Andersen has been placed on the injured reserve list (retroactive to Dec. 23) while Garret Sparks is being withheld from competition for precautionary reasons on Thursday and is being evaluated under the concussion protocol following Wednesday’s practice. #LeafsForever

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:23 am EST

oh and they put Anderson in the IR...but its odd they recalled two guys....

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:23 am EST

WTF> The leafs recalled two yes two goalies on emergency loan...that use came across twitter now via CapFriendly Transactions

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:21 am EST

More Alex Nunn Retweeted ????????? Russia coach Valery Bragin says Vitaly Kravtsov is fine after leaving their game against Slovakia last night and that the scoreline allowed for it.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:21 am EST

rf4l: See I think the goal differential is a bad way to break a tie....it just creates those lopsided games a lack of sportsmanship....but anyway what can you do. As for the kid you are talking about...I think its a good thing that his embellishment didnt help lead to a medal...I think doing that and not succeeding may be in the back of his mind and perhaps he will never do it again. He is good enough to not need to do that, and if they had gotten to lets say the gold medal game and won it based on PP goals that came off that crap he may have decided it was a good thing to ad to his game. Hockey need much less of that crap AFAIC

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:17 am EST

Bob: On Comtois - that's good to hear (re his time so far in Anaheim). Remove the embellishment crap and he's exactly the sort of player the Rangers need. He's big, skilled, can skate and loves to hit. If the physical side he brought to the WJCs is for real, the Ducks are gonna love him and the opposition not so much.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:14 am EST

Wild: Yes they do.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:14 am EST

TD: Rather harsh dude - they're just kids after all. But, revel in the loss as much as you like - it's very infrequent so you don't get many chances to do that. At all levels of the sport.

rF4l


Thu Jan 3 2019 8:11 am EST

td: ON Canada running up the score. Does the WJC still sue goal differential as a tie breaker for seeding? Thats the only thing I wonder about, did they have the mind set of "get them now while we can to give that tie breaker to us"

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:48 am EST

re: K'Andre MILLER - He's been sick, so he really hasn't been getting much ice. Didn't play in their game against the Finns...And TBH, I didn't see him on the ice once last night...He was listed as the seventh defender and I know the US wasn't taking any chances last night...nevertheless, the US defense is rock solid. ANDERSON and QUINN are chowing minutes. Ditto with SAMBERG, who is a returning player, and SAMUELSSON, Kjell's kid, who I wanted the Rangers to pick in the second instead of Snowman LINDBOM the Injured...anyway...411 on MILLER is that the Rangers are filled up on the left and there's almost zero reason to bring him into Hartford. So unless SKJEI and STAAL and/or SMITH are all moved, there's almost no chance he turns pro this season.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 7:40 am EST

RF4L - Sorry, but for the Canadians, the problem was much, much, much more simple than leadership: They just weren't that good. I guess I'd throw immaturity and cockiness on top of that...I watched the beginning and end of the game against Denmark and I came away with two observations that went in the face of everything the maple syrup-drinking pundits had to say: First was that the victory was going to create unreasonable expectations from fans and pundits and possibly even the players themselves. And second, that your team is really kind of filled with a bunch of douche bags when you're running up the score on a small nation team like Denmark. I mean, what the hell? 14-zip? At what point do you tell your mates just dump and chase...dial it down...I mean, why? Once you're up by eight or nine...it's game over...do you really need those five or six goals? Just very poor sportsmanship...and maybe that has to do with the leadership...but let's just say, I was pretty happy to see those clowns lose. Being from the US and watching the Canadian feed and all the constant love for Canada, I generally don't root for them...but I rather liked watching this group of punks get booted. That Danish victory really rubbed me wrong.

tdchi


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:36 am EST

Hanky and the mighty Quinney both take responsibility, but there was no reason to let him start the 3 rd period.... period. The coach learned a lesson and his friend sully rubbed his nose in it. And the players hid after not scoring in the 1st period.

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 6:30 am EST

“... the fact is the franchise’s entire anti-tanking program basically consists of writing the King’s name on the lineup sheet and then getting out of his way.”

Stevielegs


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:43 am EST

Here's another Comtois beauty... https://twitter.com/A_Kalnins/status/1079913448606220291

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:38 am EST

BOB... There are already GIF's of his work and I have to say, it's pretty funny... https://twitter.com/StevenEllisNHL/status/1078491775420063749

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:36 am EST

Chris Peters ‏ Verified account @chrismpeters .... BREAKING: Slovakia has scored a goal. Slovakia has scored a goal. Martin Fehevary (WSH) with a great finish cuts the deficit to a mere six goals. 7-1 Russia.

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:14 am EST

RF4L—It is easy to forget how young these kids are. Sorry to hear about Comtois. Saw him play for Anaheim and he was not our of,place in the league as a 19YO. Was not pulling stuff like diving or anything either.

Bob


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:13 am EST

Russia's up 7-0, but things have really tightened up here in the 2nd period :)

Rhet0ric


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:05 am EST

newman: been talking about it for a while. They dont have much in the way of prospects really....other than Maker on D and they wont let him go I dont think...they do have 2 first rounders this year including a likely top pick from OTT and Hayes would intrigue them I think so would Zucc (and for rf4l Kreider too) but I am not sure if they are willing to give up what the Rangers will demand or not.

Wildcard


Thu Jan 3 2019 12:03 am EST

Wild, I agree with you & unfortunately that means that he isnt going anywhere. However with the Avs sinking like they are, if I’m Gorton, I’m placing a call and talking about any secondary scoring and defenders in exchange for a 1st and a top prospect

newman


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:58 pm EST

Now he is going to the locker room....maybe just precautionary since they are up 5-0

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:54 pm EST

But he won the draw on his next shift and then the line scored....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:50 pm EST

Kravtsov hurting on the bench...wrist or arm...but he is staying put right now...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:42 pm EST

mf: Sakic is going to start to feel the heat...they are falling into e standing really quick...they are 4-7-4 in their last 15....this loss unless they have a hell of a 3rd will make them 4-8-3 in their last 15 and 4-8-4 in their last 16. 8-8-5 in there last 20....so its been a bad stretch...and with a dynamic top line. Sakic could shore up this team with a couple trades. Will cost at least one of the 1st rounders (or their first this year and next perhaps) and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder and a couple prospects...but they could really make big turn with the right moves.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:38 pm EST

I dont think Hank is that hasty. He said he was staying. He reiterated that after the season started a few times. Really ashy the press down hard about it. I dont think he is even thinking about it. Also, there is this idea that he is really focused on a cup at all costs...he is cup at all costs for Rangers, but the cup is not his dream from growing up, he got that with the gold medal. Lots of players from Europe think the cup would be a nice addition to a gold medal....cant overlook that. Playing every game in a Rangers jersey means something to him...I dont tinhk its something he will lightly give up.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:37 pm EST

Av's losing 5-2 end of 2 vs Sharks.....

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:35 pm EST

Wild, I agree with you but knowing how competitive he is, as the deadline looms closer and closer if the right chance comes about perhaps he realizes that this team is more than 2 yrs away?

newman


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:09 pm EST

newman: hank has decided to stick it out. I am sure he saw that this year would be tough. he might MIGHT start to change his mind NEXT season if things dont take a step int he right direction. He isn't stupid, he knew this year would be tough, and likely get tougher after the deadline with more moves made.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:09 pm EST

Slovakia too. 4:08 left

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:08 pm EST

WOW. Russia up 4-0 on Slovaia in the 1st period. Kravstov with another assist. Still a little less than 5 minutes in the period.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:04 pm EST

Methinks the rest of the season is going to go a lot like tonight and we all saw this coming but does anyone think that Hanky rethinks his commitment to stick around? I mean he’s got a NMC and all and that horrendous cap hit/term but watching a team like Colorado tonight they could use a Center, 2nd line scoring, and a goalie. Colorado Mark, do you think if they came asking would he go? I’d definitely ship him out for the right haul and package anything with him to ensure the right pieces come back this way.

newman


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:55 pm EST

Dom Renna ‏ @drennaESNY .... “This is way more on me than it is on him” - Quinn on Lundqvist taking the blame for the Rangers 7-2 loss tonight #NYR.... https://twitter.com/drennaESNY/status/1080673024158982144

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:53 pm EST

RF4L- He actually has 22 goals, slightly more than our Swede!!!!

MC


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:52 pm EST

Wild. Canada's coach was Tim Hunter. Are you going to say he is not a no-nonsense coach? Their problem was they could not score when it counted. 2 goals in their last 2 games. Not going to win any competition with that offense. They ran up the score against Denmark and couldn't do squat against the good teams. They only had one returning player from last years team and that was the guy they picked as captain. Of course he was named one of their 3 best players this year too. He could have been the hero but missed a penalty shot in overtime!

MC


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:44 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers .... Henrik reflects after tonight's #NYR loss to the Penguins... https://twitter.com/NYRangers/status/1080670388290498560

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:43 pm EST

Gawd, if only the Rangers had managed to land Pettersson instead of Andersson. 3 goals tonight, giving him 21 for the season. Geeesh....what a talent.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:40 pm EST

Pretty depressing being a Rangers and a Giants fan. Man, do New York sports teams suck! Giants, Rangers, Mets, Jets, Knicks. And where did everyone on the Wall go?

MC


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:36 pm EST

So Canada had a penalty shot in the OT and under international rules, the coach doesn't have to use the guy who was impeded (Evan Bouchard). Who does he call on? The captain. Makes me think partially in an attempt to justify giving the kid the c and not disciplining him when he was pulling his antics. Comquat shot the puck into the Finn goalie's pads. Oh well, these kids are all 19 and under and mistakes are the norm, not the anomalies...

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:35 pm EST

Hospo saying something positive about a prospect? Am I in the TWILIGHT ZONE?

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:34 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Wow. Lundqvist took the entire hit for this game. Then Quinn took the entire hit for playing Lundqvist after those two road games.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:25 pm EST

Good first period but couldn't net one....Hank not good and the Rangers came apart in the second....Rare for Hank....Hate losing to the Pens and seeing Crosby laughing makes me puke...

PJ


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:23 pm EST

Wild: Don't think so. Last year we won and it was via a full team concept, not star driven. Hell, Brett Howden piled up 7 points in the tourney anchoring the 4th line. This team was supposed to be similar - skill and speed across the lineup with no real stars - certainly no one of Jack Hughes' ability. I don't know what happened - I didn't see as much as I usually do but enough to recognize that the captain's antics were detrimental.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:21 pm EST

Ilya: I dont know...but for some reason watching this Hughes kid play...I get nervous about the Rangers "winning" him in the draft....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:20 pm EST

ilya: Wayne Dillon!

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:20 pm EST

rf4l: But benching the guy with the C for not playing the right way sends a message...so it still should have been done. Seems like the Canada needs to bring in a no nonsense type guy, be a little harsh with selection and build a team to be a team...Herb Brooks style if I may....because Canada is getting a little bit of a rep for not bringing good teams, but just trying to build an all star group...doesnt always work in the big tourneys like this.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:20 pm EST

FWIW, one of the tourney's biggest disappointments has to be Pavel Zadina. He was a wizard last year but this year basically useless. The Czech's obviously missed both Hajek and Chytil - both played key roles for them in last year's WJC.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:18 pm EST

There is a Crystalball that’s says that Hughes is indeed our Savior and leads us to the cup ? Or it’s a Pavel Brendl , Jamie Lundmark ?

Ilya


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:17 pm EST

Bob...we had leadership problems. Not placing all the blame on that but similarly to the last time the Canada team flamed out, undisciplined play that didn't get reigned in by the team's coaches. The last time it was Jake Virtanen taking stupid penalty after stupid penalty and never missing a shift. This time it's the Comquat kid Anaheim owns. Big and skilled and physical but for whatever reason, diving bigtime, to the point where it became the talk of the tourney for a while. And he was wearing the C. Huge mistake there - tough to bench the captain so why was he captain in the first place? Surely this silliness didn't suddenly appear 10 days ago in his game...

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:16 pm EST

Hospo - you don’t need to worry about the “on purpose” part. They just aren’t that good. This team will lose, but I agree, hopefully they keep competing.

Limbo


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:16 pm EST

I was a bit suprised with how well offensively Miller has been in the NCAA this season that he would get a shot at some PP time or used a little more offensively...but perhaps its better the he is used in a more conservative way being a young guy in his first WJC....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:14 pm EST

rf4l: It doesnt sound like anyone, Rangers or Miller see him pro next season...so i think you are correct....he will be one of the returning guys and likely a top defender not he team unless something happens and the wheels fall of his game.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:14 pm EST

From what I can discern Miller has been tasked in a defensive role - he's not getting PP time and is staying back compared to his defensive partner. Next year, he'll likely be looked at to help lead the US offense from the backline.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:13 pm EST

Shocked that Canada went out in the World juniors. I missed it watching the Ranger game.

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:12 pm EST

Miller won't be 19 for a couple of weeks, meaning he's eligible to play in the WJC tourney next year. Assuming he doesn't turn pro this summer (and he shouldn't - yes he's impressing but still very raw), he likely will be a key member of the next WJC US team.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:09 pm EST

rf4l: yeah its a nice thing to be able to say if they blow up and start loosing there is something good to possible come.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:08 pm EST

Thing is...I think the top 3 guys will be pretty close to even for their impact at the NHL level...at least the top 2 guys. Really I think people are a little TOO focused on Hughes...happens every year though, its rare one guy doesnt capture the focus, but his year it ma be closer than the hype is making it seem to be.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:08 pm EST

Hospo: I know and with the new coach in place, as we've said on here numerous times, they aren't going to lose on purpose. But should they bottom out that's a nice pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:03 pm EST

RF4L - I've watched HUGHES a bit and i would love to have him if that's how it ends up..but want nothing to do with loosing/quitting for him on purpose

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:02 pm EST

rf4l: This game hasn't had it...the first US game Hughes was thrown around like drag doll....it wasn't pretty. The only issue with him I can see. As for Miller...dude is smooooooooth on his skates, just effortless movement, efficient movement, and he goes to the right place most of the time....amazing how short a time really he has been playing the D position.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:00 pm EST

Jack Hughes...wow. Very very skilled. And smart. Lose for Hughes!

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:59 pm EST

Watching the 3rd period of the US/Czech game. First time I've seen the US team, other than a minute here and there. Maybe it's the opposition but the US team looks big, fast and skilled. Miller very steady on the backline. Solid positionally, smooth on his skates and big and physical.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:57 pm EST

Czech goalie int he WJC is standing on his head....US should have 3 or 4 here in the 3rd already...wow...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:56 pm EST

Ryan Graves playing for Colorado...Good for him..Like to see him make it...Ditto for Bigras..Anybidy know how he's paying for the Pack?

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:48 pm EST

Swden had a rough go of it. They had 5 player and 2 coaches too sick for the one game, and during that game they were not sure how many players might not finish due to also being ill while playing. I cant imagine even though they said they were "healthy" that they were 100%...I mean you get the stomach flu and you are not at full strength just a day or two later...and to play at a rather high level of hockey? Forget it. They couldn't have had full energy....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:47 pm EST

WILD - Been saying all night they weren't playing smart, quite the opposiite..And, yes, they never really stop skating, but they were mentally slow/unsharp and not focusing or caring enough about things like coverage/back checking..and truth be told..there was little physical intensity...A throw away game..DQ can just pull names for a hat to see who sits for DeZero and VeseyAnd, yes, the line of Fast-ZBad-kreder had a good game three games ago..but the top two lines looked a mess at ES the past two games...

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:45 pm EST

This is what I am sure most people saw coming...maybe not 7-2, but a PENS controlling most of the game night....I am sure the Rangers Brass saw it as well. It the reason why they will likely not fall into a trap of thinking they can keep this team together and add a piece or two and win the cup. I think they will see it will be a couple seasons and move the UFAs for draft picks and prospects, and get a good base to build on set with young players. Why would you keep this roster together long term? There are some good and players that I think can help team win the cup if they are "there" but the Rangers are not there so those guys will not be able to help in that way.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:44 pm EST

The only thing worse than losing the Penguins is losing to them on NBC.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:42 pm EST

Looks like the Swiss knocked off Sweden and the Fins knocked off Canada in the WJC.

RDW


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:40 pm EST

HOPSO: I dont know if its a lack of effort more so than a lack of proper effort or smart decision making effort. I am not seeing a team that isn't trying hard, they are just making mental errors and not doing the right things, and they started reacting instead of forcing the PENS to react....and you will get destroyed by a team this skilled when you are just reacting to them.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:39 pm EST

Hospo: oh yeah....I just was speaking to how we have not and will not ever hear them say "rebuild" I think its the mindset of a competitor...it gives an excuse, so they avoid saying it, even if they think it....probably doesn't REALLY matter, but a mindset can be a big thing in sports and if you repeat something enough players will believe it....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:37 pm EST

Team wide shit show from the beginning of the second period on..so many mental errors and lack of exectuion/effort

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:36 pm EST

RF4L - I said back then that their "demise" was purely a fuction of bad goaltending by Murray and that DeSMith or sombi0dy else by trade would get the job done..DeSmith saved thei bacon and now Murray is kinda back..They will be making more trades for another Cup run

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:30 pm EST

Damn..Matt Cullen is still playing??? Remeberv when he was signed as 3rd liner by the Ranger only to be top 6?

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:30 pm EST

Gonna be 7 straight wins for Pittsburgh here. Their demise was prematurely and foolishly declared back in mid-November by many.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:29 pm EST

WILD - Not agreeing or disagreeing..tomatoe potato..you can call it anything you want but what eventually decides what it is, is the moves that are or arent made by Gordo...That we will see over the next two months..In the meantime, you (DQ) try to win every game with what you got..

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:28 pm EST

Finns eliminate Canada from the WJC. Leadershio issue IMO on the Canadian team. Guy with the c diving all over the place early in tourney with no response from the coaching staff.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:26 pm EST

I will steal something from John Elway here in Denver who said this about the Broncos the other day during a presser...." We are building, not rebuilding, I dont like the word rebuild, it sounds like an excuse" I bet DQ and Gorton have the same thought process...a rebuild gives you an excuse to lose and not play hard or do the right things. Thats a bad mentality to have IMHO. Its the same thing in reality, but the mindset the words used created is different.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:25 pm EST

Rhet trades come every year.... for whatever reason Quinney keeps saying that ...

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:23 pm EST

RF4L: Sometimes you do that...you as a coach ask a guy if he thinks he can turn it around....you want to give players that sometimes, let them challenge themselves...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. There was something DQ said about the 5 man PP unit, he was going to scarp it, and it sounded like the players wanted to gibe it another go...they went 3 of 6 after that on the PP with that group....he let the players help decide and they showed him they were right...at least for now. I think you can build some respect with the team doing that sometimes. And really, he may want to win every game but he knows the reality of the season, so there wasn't much too lose.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:23 pm EST

Hospo put the drinks away

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:22 pm EST

Stevie... Building vs. rebuilding... It's all semantics, and does not mean that there aren't more trades to come.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:21 pm EST

RF4L _ I could buy that...and any top Proud pro would have turned him down..DQ is the caoch..Ultimately his call

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:20 pm EST

Hell must be frozen solid HOSPO LOL...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:20 pm EST

Sucks being in the Garden for games like this one. Been there for games like this many times.

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:20 pm EST

DQ probably asked Lundqvist if he could pull him to start the 3rd and was flatly turned down. If so next time be the coach and do what you believe is right.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:19 pm EST

Oh christ, again agreeing with WILDCARD

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:18 pm EST

Lundqvist with the all too familiar headshake

NYStranger


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:18 pm EST

NYStranger - Becasue he is the best player on the team and deserves to play..it's that simple..DQ needs to play his best every night.he needs to try and win with what he has every night...It's up to GORDO to not give him the best if he wants to lose or tank..All that being siad, not The King's night

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:18 pm EST

NYStranger: Simple. DQs job is to coach to win. It something and a new NHL coach he HAS to do, for himself and to show he belongs to everyone else...you dont coach to lose no matter what the deal is with a rebuild. Competing to win every game become a mindset...they lose or win it still sets in. Its a good thing to have him do IMHO....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:16 pm EST

RDW: I think it was partly because as I said...its not like (at least before the 3rd) any of the goals were really ones you could expect a goalie to stop....he may have felt it was more month e skaters than Hank...but again...I still would have pulled him.....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:15 pm EST

The mighty Quinney says this is not a rebuilding it’s a building

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:15 pm EST

Oh! NOW they change goalies? LOL

NYStranger


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:15 pm EST

Not really sure what DQ is thinking. Hank should have been pulled way earlier. He obviously didn't have it tonight ...

RDW


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:15 pm EST

Someone should break their stick over the crossbar.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:14 pm EST

Mercy

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:14 pm EST

Stevie...absolutely I do. My kids wisely aren't watching so cannot engage them on this topic.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:13 pm EST

Explain to me why Lundqvist is playing so much in the first place? What is this season all about? A 'Competitive Rebuild'. What a effin joke. Good enough to squeek into the playoffs is all that it takes to sucker in us Rangers fans year after year. I have no interest in half measures.

NYStranger


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:12 pm EST

Rf4l do you really want the answer to that ? Absolutely ask your kids lol

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:10 pm EST

oopss..wasn't him..it was Claesson!

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:09 pm EST

Good in Buch...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:09 pm EST

No rockets to be found I guess..Hayes not getting the job done defensivey but that was a beutiful pass!

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:08 pm EST

Now THAT one is fully on Hank....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:07 pm EST

Why wasn't Lundqvist pulled??

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:04 pm EST

The King looks off and this is the result when he's not standing on his head more often than not.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 9:02 pm EST

The Swiss knocked the Swedes out pf the WJC. Nico Gross apparently impressing as a shutdown D for the Swiss...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:57 pm EST

E: At the same time he hasn't been terrible in net either. The shots have been good ones...well hell, one was deflected right in front, one was from a guy in the low slot...another was a top end player in Letang on a break who picked a corner....its not like another guy in net would have a shutout going, maybe not even less goals against...but lately he has been playing like you cant beat him even with shots like the Pens have had tonight. Just shows how much he has had to do with the wins the Rangers have had this year because the same type of chances have been happening every night just about just tonight Hank has been human

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:55 pm EST

E - yes, they arent very good..but three goals that period were because of laziiness and stupidity or, if you like, lack of phyiscal and mental execution...JMWO..I hope DQ lays into them and somebody comes out with a few rockets up their ass

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:53 pm EST

STEVIE - McLeod has a role on this team (not necessarily every game) but they really could use a fast skating banger and pest...even if just for my enjoyment!

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:51 pm EST

HOSPO: truth is they just aren’t very good. PIT has game breakers and they’re starting to get loose and looks. And truth is Lundqvist ain’t been very good.

E


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:50 pm EST

Hospo iCloud in the clouds ?

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:49 pm EST

I think that period was kind of what I called after the first. the Pens were outworked in the first, not outskilled...they came out in the second with a renewed effort, and the skill of course is still there. SO it countered the Rangers hard work and buried them under the skill depth of the Pens.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:48 pm EST

Loosing sucks..but..stupid, lazy, non physical hockey is nauseating..Wish they had a pest or physical presence to try and stir things up a bit...anything to get the blood flowing

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:47 pm EST

I think you pull Hank for the 3rd....but I dont think its a case of Georgiev making saves on those goals....I mean maybe one of them...but really they were shots that were good and didnt go in "soft"

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:46 pm EST

Outplayed Outworked and Outmarted

rangerlou


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:45 pm EST

Hanky hangover from champagne? Georgie should be in to start the 3rd

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:41 pm EST

Msn Fast was robbed there...but what a hard play by him in front....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:41 pm EST

WILD - No, that was an example of HAYES being bad defensively on that shift

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:40 pm EST

sleepy, lazy back checking by Hayes..three bad, avoaidable goals..I know the Pens are good, but poor mental and physical execution by the Rangers this period

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:40 pm EST

They are toying with us

rangerlou


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:40 pm EST

Well thats was not a shining example of Hayes being better defensively this season....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:39 pm EST

https://twitter.com/RickCarpiniello/status/1080631093877862400

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:39 pm EST

Geo please...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:39 pm EST

Rick Carpiniello ‏ Verified account @RickCarpiniello .... Mats Zuccarello is the #NYR rep on the Last Man all-star ballot because, obviously, this is a popularity contest. You can vote starting tomorrow on

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:34 pm EST

Oops...? = >

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:34 pm EST

Strome ? Spooner...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:33 pm EST

Nice play by that group on the ice there....Strome with a nice tip...Name with perfect timing getting across in front....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:32 pm EST

Nice play by STROME.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:32 pm EST

rf4l: Yeah becsaue one of the best players in the NHL made a good play on him....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:31 pm EST

I was just gonna say how BUCH has had some good chances tonight and how tis non-physical opponent was his type of game aand then he pulls that typical lazy, brain dead shit

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:31 pm EST

Next game will see Buch in pressbox.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:30 pm EST

Buch sux...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:29 pm EST

Sleepy Rangers...

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:28 pm EST

Zuccarello made the All-Star team :)

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:27 pm EST

Hard to be too upset with that goal...I mean the Pens made a good play, got a good bounce off Staals stick...no real mistakes from the Rangers on coverage or anything....unlike the first goal against....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:27 pm EST

Same old Rangers and Same old Penguins

rangerlou


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:26 pm EST

Damn...that puck had eyes....wasnt from a lack of fight in front from Staal....it hit Rust or Staals stick....was doing a good job keeping the lane open....too bad on that one...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:26 pm EST

STAAL with the goal.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:25 pm EST

Stepunmytoe: the way the refs are they probably would have called him for a hook

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:24 pm EST

Hospo: wonder if its because Shatty was out and maybe since they haven't played much together and maybe he thought since the stick was being held he would get in there....I dont know...it was strange to see....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:23 pm EST

Shatt with his stick being held on that goal. He should of ripped Letangs arm out of socket

Stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:22 pm EST

WILD - Yep, exactlu how i saw it..The Rangers margin of error is so slim, they cant make mental and positional mistakes like that

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:21 pm EST

Hospo: I was wondering the same thing...he skated past Shatty to get to the guy Shatty was already covering the pass from...it cause Shatty who had his stick held up to that point to be in-between....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:20 pm EST

What the hell was Claesson doing there?...E - I understand but it sucks and makes for boring, passionless and joyless hockey to watch...Things do change come March..but will March matter for the Ranger this year or for the next 3-5 years? We'll see

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:18 pm EST

Was that Cullen holding Shatty's stick..I mean it was blatant holding the stick...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:16 pm EST

HOSPO: it’s all within the ethos of the modern game. Forcing teams to lose time and space is everything. It’s pretty risky to take that extra step and risk losing position. But you’ve gotta make contact and force the other team to make passes. Pit wants to play off the wall and with pace. The New York Rangers want to take the puck to the walls and grind.

E


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:16 pm EST

Quite a few NYR fans are griping because KEVIN HAYES didn't make the ALL-STAR team.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:08 pm EST

I have watched very little nhl hockey this year, and almost zero Rangers hockey. I just watched the entire 1st period closely, and I can honestly say it was completely boring and it flat out sucked. That is not the same game I grew up with. Boring with a capitol "B". I was feeling a little guilty not watching this year, but now I feel vindicated, the product is f*cking garbage!! Wake me up when the character, hitting, personality & fighting are back. Glad I haven't wasted my time. Bettman, great job you fuggin LOSER!!!

hipcheck


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:00 pm EST

STEP - Part of it was SKJEI's own fault..but playing him with DEANGLEO didnt seem like the brightest idea by DQ...Speaking of DQ, I was listening to his in-game interview and his voice sounded familair to me..not the accent..but the cadence..sounded a little like Dan AKroyd..Yeah, i've been drinking..

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:57 pm EST

Skjei sure seems to be playing a more controlled consistent game since being paired with Quaider.

Stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:55 pm EST

Good period but 1) not getting to rebounds and 2) didn't score- ain't gonna keep the 0 goals against much longer.

RF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:55 pm EST

wait...you can vote to add Zucc to the all star game...but Hayes and Kreider are not on that automatic list of players to select from? The NHL is just stupid....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:51 pm EST

Rangers the better team that period. Too bad there are zeroes on the scoreboard. I thought Buchnevich stood out, and Hayes alsomhad a good period.

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:50 pm EST

This was a classic high skilled team vs hard working team. Not that the Rangers are devoid of skill, far from it really, but they carried the play a lot of that period because they outworked the PENS..the Pens I imagine will get a chewing about their effort level and come out with both more effort and their skill and the 2nd wont be as even. Just MHO of course....but that seems to be about how it will go from watching that first and knowing how the Pens CAN play.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:49 pm EST

E - "checks" is a bit of an over-statement..maybe rub-outs? I'm not putting the Rangers down..they are playing a a good responsible game..Just the utter tameness that the NHL has become..There is so little passion and excitement..It's why you wait for the PO chase..and some real hockey..I hope the Rangers are part of that instead of uninterested by-standers

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:40 pm EST

New York Rangers finishing their checks. Simple N/S dump chase. 2-3 in the neutral zone. Much better flow than STL so far.

E


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:26 pm EST

Calling him a little bitch has little to do with the penalty but more to do with his reaction to it. Crying like a baby as usual.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:20 pm EST

Dont think that was an on purpose slew foot trip by crosby.....but he gets away with so much its one i'll take....but dam if they call the entire game like that there will be a lot a Pos tonight

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:19 pm EST

CROSBY getting caught being a little bitch again.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:14 pm EST

Maybe we should trade CODY MCLEOD instead. I know, I know, the thought of it is just pure insanity, but when the rest of the League finds out that he's the key to winning... I would have to think the sky would be the limit for other teams trying to get him. Maybe we can get MATTHEWS and a first rounder straight up for him.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:13 pm EST

Cody McCleod......bowls overhand

Stepunmytoe


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:10 pm EST

All Krieder is good is for tip in's and defelctions..treade him for a few picks and just put Cody McLeod there instead

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:02 pm EST

So Kreider since he has been a full time NHL player has had 17 (in 66 GP), 21, 21, 28, 16(in 58 gp) and is on pace for 43 with 20 at this time in goals scored...when was the last time a Rangers draft selection scored like that in his career? I am serious....when was the last time they had a guy score that much as a draft selection of the team. I have looked and it seems Kovalev is the closest unless you go back to the 1982 entry draft with Tomas Sandstrom.....and before that the with not quite the output but the regularity with Don Maloney in the '78 draft. A lot of people ripped the Kreider pick, and even as recently as last year talked about how he was a bad selection...my goodness...historically he is one of the better goal scorers the Rangers have selected....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:59 pm EST

Good for The King ..well deserved for his play and leadership..Boy these commentators just say anything..Keith Jones talking abut the Rangers young D except for Staal and Shitt...yeah, gotta love pups like Smith and Mcquaid!..anyway, Boo from Mcleod..Love to see aline without Kreder do some damage at ES

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:56 pm EST

Cindy with that thin mustache looks like a pedophile

rangerlou


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:52 pm EST

stevielegs - That wasn't a mustache on CRYSBY. Let's just say it's a residual effect of where he sticks his mouth.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:51 pm EST

YAKUPOV just sucked...he was soooooo overrated in a weak draft year...I remember in the WJCs, I was totally perplexed with how he was drafted higher than a guy like GALCHENYUK...The Oilers certainly held on to him too long...but he was never going to get them much...if I were them, I would have traded that pick before making it. Was a Sophie's Choice draft...no one you were taking with the first three picks was going to be a superstar...but certainly, I'm sure CHIARELLI has some serious reservations about moving a 20-year-old player drafted in the top four...and he should...PULJUJARVI is a solid player...much better prospect than YAK ever was...he's been mishandled BIGTIME by the Oilers...and I can't figure out why...he should have started his career in Bakersfield and then joined McDAVID's flank...but instead, they yo-yo'd him around the lineup...sent him down and up...just blasted the kid's confidence and prevented him from getting good minutes...I'm not sure what he'd cost, but I can't imagine it would be that much at this point...certainly a decent player or prospect.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:44 pm EST

I didn't recognize crybaby without his pencil pepe le pew stache

stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:43 pm EST

New York Rangers ‏Verified account @NYRangers 8m8 minutes ago Congrats HEN-RIK!! For the 5th time in his career Henrik will be repping #NYR at the #NHLAllStar game!

stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:41 pm EST

Hank looks to be the only Ranger to the All Star Game.....the new format makes it terrible to get those who deserve it to be there...I mean Letang not on the Metro team? What?

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:38 pm EST

And Shatty wouldn't goto the AVS anyway. I am sure they are on his list of team he will not accept a trade to...the move FROM the AVs way back when was not pretty...so I dont think he will be all that willing to deal with coming back...maybe I am wrong, I mean the management is all new, but it just seems that way.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:36 pm EST

mf: AVS definitely need D...have for years....but I think they would want Hayes more...they need depth at the forward position...Zucc doesnt do it for them....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:35 pm EST

Newfie_Ranger: That Swede D int he Rangers share,m played big minutes the night half the team was sick...and he started tonight not playing a lot...I wonder if he was tired or maybe a little ill himself. But he had an assist or a goal (cant remember what it was) last game...I am not too concerned....there were others D not he team that were clearly more experience and better at this point. Kid is still pretty good.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:28 pm EST

Wild: Do the AV's need a Defenseman? (and I don't mean Shattenkirk, they have Barrie) .... SKJEI, ZUCC, & our 2nd round pick for OTT's 1st..... I'm not too worried about replacing a LHS Defenseman......

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:26 pm EST

Well, that's not a good sign for young Lundquist (RD)……...Swiss just upset Sweden 2-0 and with the goalie drawn just under 3 mins, he never saw the ice . Several stops in play and even a time out and he never saw the ice.

Newfie_Ranger


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:24 pm EST

https://thehockeynews.com/news/article/what-happens-if-senators-cant-re-sign-duchene-and-stone-by-the-trade-deadline

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:23 pm EST

mf: I think it would depend on what other offers are out there. If they decide to trade Hayes, and the best they can get is a team in the post season to give up a 1st...a chance, be it a good one or not to get a top 5 pick out of a trade I think would be worth it. A lot would be involved, what the other deals were, what picks or prospects were offered by other teams...all of that stuff of course. But its a way to try to get something more if conditions dictate and exist.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:21 pm EST

The first time I tuned in and heard a “Let’s go Red Wings” chant going on at Pepsi I wanted to throw something at the TV. My tickets are in Anaheim now and there are lots of empty seats and opposing fans here too. Trying to sell my seats when I don’t go is basically a waste of time. I usually donate them.

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:17 pm EST

from OTT

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:17 pm EST

Wild: (your post of 5:19) that's a crapshoot for the Rangers. The purpose of trading with the AV'sis to acquire the 1st round pick they got from the AV's... They need to make the playoff's this season. The Av's don't want to trade the pick with certainty to us, phuck-em...

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:00 pm EST

For instance...I just looked now and you can get tickets on the glass, there are entity rows in the lower sections that have 2 seats taken...and there are a TON of resale tickets from season ticket holders available. Its against the Sharks, a team that normally sells pretty good here. And while its a bit early...the RedWings games used to sell out day one...right now you can sit just about anyplace you would like if you want to purchase tickets. Kind of crazy from what it used to be.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:53 pm EST

Bob: the attendance is not bad....but a lot of times its the other teams fans. People still go, but the big deal is the boxes are not full, and the season ticket holders dont always show up. I mean you could go on almost any night and get tickets right before puck drop, so they are not what they used to be sell out wise. Official numbers say about 95% full most games....they are short about 1,000 tickets form a sell out many nights, sometimes more sometimes less. Go back to the Sakic, Roy, Forsberg, Foote days and they were right at a full house every night....it was a tough ticket to get. If they slip going down the stretch, especially with the Nuggets doing so well people will start opening their money on NBA games rather than NHL games.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:45 pm EST

Wild: What about Colorado? I lived there during the heady days of cup contention. Those were a long time ago. What is their attendance like the past free years?

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:44 pm EST

iCloud on his day off ....https://www.nhl.com/video/c-64544803

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:29 pm EST

Bob: They Islanders are probably fine. The marketing numbers from TV deal in NYC are huge....I mean they are lucky in that way. Same way as LA, and Chicago, Boston...big money markets for TV revenue.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:24 pm EST

I am not sure that I am correct about this, but consider it: An NHL team has to be mismanaged to an extreme degree to lose money with the salary cap. A club that operates at 98% of capacity cannot possibly be losing money. Can it? Now, when I think of NHL clubs that are losing money I think of Florida, Arizona and Ottawa. The Islanders might be close doe to the pathetic attendance they get. Otherwise, there is only so much the club can spend and the smaller market clubs do not spend to the cap. The cap has virtually guaranteed positive cash flow for most teams since its inception, and teams like the Rangers are swimming in cash as a result of the cap. Used to be that the Rangers broke even/ lost money unless they made the playoffs. Those days are long gone.

Bob


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:23 pm EST

limbo: all in all that 2012 draft wasn't the greatest. I mean if you look t it, there was not a lot of star power out of it. The 2nd round was not string either. Looking at it 20/20 hindsight wise...really the Rangers did a great job deciding to elect Skjei...there is just one player drafted after him that really seems like you could argue they "should have" taken, Tanner Pearson, and even that is up for debate. But really

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:19 pm EST

Didn't some team move up like 9 spots just one of these last couple drafts? Actually I just looked...it was the Canes. They won the 2nd pick...all the way up for 11th. They had a 3.0% chance of winning the lottery. Anyway. Hayes would likely get a 1st round pick from a team fighting for their playoff lives. A team just outside, or a team trying to hang on. If they miss the playoffs thats a lottery pick. The chances at that OTT pick are less and less for sure, its a big deal to have a top 3 spot in the lottery odds...Sakic would have to see something to make him move that...and something would have to be a deal that makes the AVS a contender this season. As some suggested Kreider and Hayes I am sure would do it, and the Rangers could get more on top of that. But I dont think it will even take THAT much. You could even condition that trade, Hayes+ (maybe Zucc and a 2nd or something) for a prospect, OTTs 2nd rounder, and a conditional 2nd and a conditional 1st. They get to the WCF the first is the Sens, if not its the AVS. The seconds is the AVS in this years or next years draft depending if its OTTs 1st its next year, AVS first its this years. I am using that as an example, not sure of the actual value for the Rangers in that trade, but its an example of how the Rangers MIGHT be able to move way up int he draft with a trade with the AVS. They will not be so upset about it if they make a good deep run...they can spin that here a lot easier than another season ending speech about how "we are a good team with a bright future, young stars...." like they have done every year for about 7-8 in a row now....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:12 pm EST

RF4L - I just looked up that 2012 draft. A few good D, but most of the forwards turned out to be pretty mediocre, led by No. 1.

limbo


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:54 pm EST

Part of the pressure I suspect with keeping vs moving Puljujarvi is the Oilers remain sensitive to the fiasco that was Nail Yakalot. They hung on to that kid until he was worthless. I don't see Edmonton enough to have an opinion on how Puljujarvi is playing. Is he still a legitimate prospect or is what we're seeing what's he becoming? That's the question that Chiarelli and company need to answer (and rival GMs considering trading for him, if there are any).

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:43 pm EST

TD.... Honestly, my post was very tongue in cheek(mostly wishful thinking). CHIARELLI is an awful GM but I suspect he's on a short leash these days. In my mind, If Ken Hitchcock has any input, I can't imagine they would trade PULJUJARVI, but then I read this today.... per Elliotte Friedman's 31 Thoughts, he reports that he doesn’t think the Oilers are done dealing, they have a lot at stake and mentions Jesse Puljujarvi’s future is uncertain.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:40 pm EST

Wildcard - It's an illustration plain and simple. You can flip that around and note that HANZAL played on a piss-poor team and had elite possession stats...much better than HAYES...at the time of his trade...nevertheless...what the Yotes got for Hanzal is more or less what the Rangers would get for Hayes: A mid-round first rounder, a second and a prospect. You can argue they'd get a little more. But if you thinking they'll get more than a non-lottery 1st, a pair of seconds and mid-level prospect, I would very much disagree.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:30 pm EST

Well Vic, I'm sorry to say...but what you've posted...your points...have more holes than granny's 50-year-old undies...Starting from the top: "Since the lockout if you had drafted your #1 Center inside of the top 4 of the draft you had a 1 in 13 chance of winning a Cup." Um OK. Then that's not very good. That means 7 percent won, and another 93 percent didn't. And as I've already pointed out, your sample size is WAAAAAAAY too small to be even remotely scientific...Next: " If you drafted your #1 Center at any draft position outside of the top 4 in the draft you had a 1 in 670 chance of having drafted a guy that was capable of winning the Cup as a #1 Center.And those numbers already have the multi-Cup winners like TOEWS, CROSBY and KOPITAR stripped out." Um...OK. Needless to say, I have some serious issues with how you reached this number and if I were to call it, I'd say it's nothing short of meaningless. "So you can try to change the argument if you like but it isn't going to work. Can a team win a Cup without having an elite #1 Center drafted in the top 4 of the draft? Absolutely they can. Is it likely? No, it isn't." Again, I really don't see how you can argue this empirically for a whole multitude of reasons. First and foremost is that you are arguing from a SUBJECTIVE point(i.e. what you deem an 'elite #1 center' and as past arguments have bore witness, your idea of this player differs greatly than what I believe to be this player). "Because you have to be extremely lucky to find the right guy with elite talent, dropping to you, in the right year at the right time." 100 percent disagree. It happens ALL. THE. TIME. Claude GIROUX for instance. KOPITAR is another. Jeff CARTER. David KRECJI, Joe PAVELSKI...oh man, the list goes on and on. Just those players don't always win a cup...So yeah, go ahead and quit the argument. Take a break from the Wall if need be necessary...I don't really care. But you can't bring numbers to a subjective argument and that's what you're trying to do. The sad part of ALL of this...which you continue to ignore...is that this isn't even YOUR argument that you've parachuted into. I can't even remember who was trying to argue that a team MUST draft a player in the top 5 or have one on their roster to win the cup...THAT is the argument. You have somehow smashed your own argument into it, which is even more peculiar. I still don't agree with you, but you weren't originally the one I was directing this argument toward...simple truth: Tanking and getting a top 5 pick guarantees you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And if you can't agree with that, then you're arguing for argument's sake. Cheers!

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:16 pm EST

Rf4l why is the sky blue?

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:15 pm EST

Rf4l absolutely

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:15 pm EST

Irving moofman absolutely

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:12 pm EST

Shots of "Absolute" for all. That's an absolute statement!

mf


Wed Jan 2 2019 4:10 pm EST

My God you like to argue, don't you? Geesh, I remember when my kids were younger and did that all the time - thank goodness they grew up and now know how to discuss and debate intelligently and with tact.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 3:59 pm EST

by the way...official attendance numbers. Dallas (13th) AVG 18,178 (98.1%) Ottawa (27th) AVG 14,520 (75.8%) Those weak American markets sure are killing the NHL...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 3:53 pm EST

rf4l: Its a good thing for the Stars that ticket sales are just a small part of the money they need to pay the salaries of players and staff....the real money is in promotional deals, TV and the like...and more even from royalties from official items. Dallas was not one of the poorer ticket selling teams for a LOOOONNNNNGGGG time, and if they make the post season they will be back up there again, they are in a slump, Hockey isn't the first sport people turn to there, but they will show up again when the stars look better.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 3:45 pm EST

More Buttman crap - another non-hockey market in the US is a mess. The Stars owe their players $85,000,000 in cash this season and they are 23rd in the league in ticket revenue. Those 2 numbers, obviously, don't jive. They are desperate to make the POs and currently hold down the 2nd wildcard spot in the west. If this slips away it'll be their 3rd consecutive year out of the POs. Another organization bleeding money. I think, however, the league should seriously consider expanding to 34 teams ASAP.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 3:30 pm EST

WILD... First of all, a max contract for Hank would have been $13.8 Million per. No one ever talked about giving Hank a $13.8 Million per year deal(except for maybe the odd blogger or two). You can also say all you want that Hank could've gotten $10 Million per, but you can't prove it. That's like saying "prove that Santa Claus doesn't exist." The top paid player at the time was Alex Ovechkin at a $9.538 annual Cap Hit. Do you think Hank was ever going to be paid more than OV? If memory serves, had Hank become a FA there were only a couple of teams that could have afforded him and only one of those teams had a glaring need in goal. Nick Kypreos at the time said the FLYERS would have been willing to go as high as $9 Million plus for Hank if he hit the open market. I wont get into Kypreos' record or how often he's been wrong. Larry Brooks also said at the time that Hank was seeking an 8-year deal worth $8.5 Million per from NY. He got the money, but he didn't get the 8th year. If he had gone to Free Agency, I'm sure he may have gotten an 8th year from the NYR and some more money. Maybe he gets an offer from the Flyers with the bulk of the money in the first few years as bonuses, but I don't know how we go from there to $10 Million. BTW, from what we know of Hank, he would never have signed with the FLYERS. I suspect the NYR would have known that as well.

Rhet0ric


Wed Jan 2 2019 2:36 pm EST

Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 3h3 hours ago So, DQ said it wasn’t the plan to put Chytil back in after just one game out, but after the way the team played Monday, the plan had to change. He was unhappy with lots of people, Vesey being one of them. 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes Colin Stephenson ‏ @ColinASteph 4h4 hours ago People - I’m skipping tonight’s game so I can start working on my 2019 beach body. My man, @therealarieber is covering for @NewsdaySports tonight. I did attend the morning skate and Jimmy Vesey is doing the bag skate, along with Smith and Tony D. Also, Lundqvist is off first.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:48 pm EST

Vic: speaking personally, I don’t mind a little bit of heat in discussion. As long as it’s productive I like the passion. I’m no angel in this regard. Knowing when to dial it back is good. And I expect you guys to check me when I’m out of line. I have a good feel philosophically where most of you are.

E


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:38 pm EST

As far as the whole draft/cup stuff, I hope no-one takes my nonsense that seriously. I know I don't. And maybe others put their thoughts/markers out there long ago, but I believe that I brought it up recently. So, I kinda feel like Jerry about the blow up at Poppies: "And I have to say...it was pretty much all my fault."

limbo


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:28 pm EST

CapFriendly ‏ @CapFriendly 6m6 minutes ago More TRADE: To Ottawa #Senators: G Anders Nilsson F Darren Archibald To Vancouver #Canucks: G Mike McKenna F Tom Pyatt 2019 6th RD pick

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:26 pm EST

limbo: that post was brilliant...LOL

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:25 pm EST

Hanzel? Really...thata the comparison? Hayes is in his 5th season....he is on pace to have more points than Hanzel had in any of hi season for the 4th time. 39, 40 and 41 points were his highest seasons.... 45, 36, 49, 44 are the seasons Hays has already had and is on pace to get over 70 this season. Hanzel has 3 season that he had more points than Hayes had in his lowest point total season. I am sorry. But you add that to the injury issues that were quite serious...and Hayes is worth a hell of a lot more. The 6 years prior to the trade he had not played in more than 65 games in a single season. There is almost nothing to compare them save they are both bigger centers. Hazel was a 3rd line center with 2nd line upside. Hayes is a 2nd line center with 1st line upside....Hayes has not seen much injury and his point totals are going up, Hanzel at the time of the trade was often injured, and his point totals were going down. Hayes is two years younger than hazel was at the time of his trade....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:22 pm EST

TD: No, the reason I am annoyed with both of you is that you are both trying to twist a very consistent argument that I have been making here for 12 plus years into something else. Like I said, I am 100% confident in letting everything I've said stand. Anyone who cares can go back and read it for themselves. I've already wasted too much time with both of you. And with that I'm done. I think I'll take a much needed break from the Wall. Adios.....

Vic


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:20 pm EST

TD - why wouldn't the AVS trade the pick? We all know you don't need a high pick to win the cup, RIIIIGHT? Plus, we also know that HOSPO would have traded it already. LIMBO with 2 zingers! He shoots, he scores, he pisses off everybody!!!.....i kid because i love...

limbo


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:14 pm EST

Vic: You can not take that statement out of context. It is not possible. Its an absolute. "The Sky is Blue" is absolute...context does not matter. "this is the internet" can not be taken out of context. "He is a man." Direct statement...no context. "Without (X) you can not have (Y)" is a direct statement...You do not need context. It is a stand alone statement. You made such a statement...it needs no other supporting facts or ideas....anyway...whatever...you will pretend its not a statement without room for interpretation....and you will forget that your response to what I said did not change that statement...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:10 pm EST

LOL Vic. The reason you're getting so upset is that we keep pointing out flaws to your argument. No worries here. As long as no one else is jumping on the ludicrous assumption that unless you do X or Y you're not going to win a cup...then I'll happily let the argument die. You're really the only one who is keeping it going.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:08 pm EST

WILD: I'm not going to explain how you pulled it out of context again. I already did it once and you are ignoring it. Go read it where I wrote it the first time. Or continue to act like a jackass. Your call.

Vic


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:08 pm EST

Vic - That's fine. As long as you're comfortable with being wrong.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:07 pm EST

RF4L - LOL! Yes! BUCHNEVICH...invisible prancing petunia! More wortheless than iClod!!!

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:06 pm EST

ColoradoMark - Exactly. Look, fans LOVE to trade X, Y and Z player for picks and prospect...and the optics at the time are great...we get the next new shiny thing that will be all the rage when he matures...but truth be told, the deals that move players like HAYES and KREIDER seldom pan out for the team moving them...Someone the other day brought up an interesting comparison in the HAYES situation: Martin HANZAL...granted, Hanzal didn't have the season that Hayes is...and injuries were an issue with him...but this is what he landed Arizona: Grayson DOWNING, who was then a promising NCAA UFA signing, Pierre-Olivier JOSEPH, who was taken with the 23rd overall pick from the Wild in 2017, and a 2018 second rounder(they drafted a towering beast of a stay-at-home defenseman in Kevin DAHL), plus a conditional fourth rounder...So change that conditional fourth rounder into a conditional second rounder and you pretty much have what the Rangers would get for Hayes. Is it worth trading him then? My answer is no.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:05 pm EST

Vic I just explained how you made an absolute statement. No matter how many times you reply saying its not absolute you can not change what you wrote. "So a team has to be built properly around the star players selected in the draft. If you don't do that you don't win." is absolute. There is no wiggle room. Your response was about the example I used...I responded to that...you dont seem to think saying "If you don't do that you don't win." is not an absolute statement.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:03 pm EST

WILD: I'm not doing this again to the Wall. My reply to you was at Mon Dec 31 2018 10:35 am EST. Search for it. To the rest of the Wall I apologize for this crap. I've been trying to stop it. I'm very confident that anyone who has actually taken the time to read what I've posted on the subject knows exactly what I was saying and wasn't saying. Especially since I've said it a million times here.

Vic


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:01 pm EST

td Thats my thoughts on a buyout of anyone. I just dont see it with Smith for certain..I mean again they could move him and have a cap hit only at or just more than what he would cost against the cap if they sent him to Hartford. It makes no sense to put the team in a bad cap position when there are others options to follow

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 1:00 pm EST

I found it "So a team has to be built properly around the star players selected in the draft. If you don't do that you don't win." There is no context issue with that statement. That is an absolute statement. It leaves no room for argument. "if you dont do that you do not win" is as absolute as you can be...there is no wiggle room in that statement. You tie that absolute statement to "So a team has to be built properly around the star players selected in the draft". SO that means you have to select star players in order to win, that being based on your other statements about the top 5 picks, makes the statement an absolute that a team needs to draft a star player in the top 5 of the draft in order to win. Please tell me how I am taking anything out of context?

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:57 pm EST

Vic: You can not under any circumstances take an absolute statement out of context. The context does not matter when you say something direct and without exception. If I say the Sky is blue. It does not matter the context. You said, and I no longer have the exact words. The only way to build a cup winner is to build around top draft picks. There is no context that changes that statement. If you had followed dit up with "players you select or other select that you trade for" it would be a context thing. You did not. You stated without option that the only way to build a winner is by drafting high.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:52 pm EST

Wildcard - The only way I see the Rangers buying out anyone is if they are hard in on BOTH KARLSSON and PANARIN. I don't see them having any short term or long term cap issues...if they decide SMITH is no longer an asset to the team, they'll send him to Hartford and wait to see if someone comes along who would take him...I could be wrong...but it just doesn't make any sense to be buying guys out when you're not hard up against the cap.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:48 pm EST

Cant say Vesey doesnt deserve a temporary seat in the press box and it's good to see CHYTL back in..hope CHYTL puts learning experience to work and Vesey does the same when he gets back in......Cant say I'm looking forward to another night of MZA-HAYES- Namestnikov...Some wing has to step up to give this team two lines that can threaten offensively..and take the burden off The King and the D every night...Deangelo is just one scary player in the D-zone and a player the Rangers can do without (obviously a few other orgs have felt the same)..

Hospo


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:48 pm EST

Rhet0ric - If ZUCCARELLO is all it'll take to jar PULJUJARVI free, then allow me to pack his bags. Pulju is a classic buy-low player. He's gonna turn things around shortly. Not a matter of if, but when, IMO...but I'm not so sure CHIARELLI is going to be keen on moving him for anything short of another young, promising forward...as you well know, he's taking an immense amount of heat...he moves a former 4th overall player for a UFA and that could be the straw that breaks the camel's back...on a side note, I would watch Carolina if and when Pulju goes on the block...they have a lot of the defense that Edmonton craves...they also have AHO, who played quite nicely with Pulju.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:47 pm EST

WILD: Obviously you didn't read my reply to you where I shredded you for pulling a sentence completely out of context and then trying to make it look like I was saying something I wasn't. I don't mind discussing ideas and thoughts. But when the two of start pulling crap like making stuff up, pulling things out of context or inventing straw man arguments then I am done with both of you. I have better things to do with my time. You can go argue with yourselves or pat your selves on the back for "winning" another argument. I really don't care.

Vic


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:41 pm EST

Vic: as I pointed out, then pointed out again...you made an absolute statement...I even copy and pasted it twice....but hey...sure you were talking in absolutes....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:40 pm EST

td: You might be surprised what the AVS do this season to make a deep run...

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:38 pm EST

TD: I stopped reading your long post after the first sentence because you again are trying to accuse me of talking in absolutes. It tells me you never really read or understood anything I've said on the topic. So I am done with this. Believe what you want. I don't care. I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's mind. And in the end what any of us thinks or believes doesn't matter because nobody in Rangers management is listening or cares.

Vic


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:25 pm EST

RF4L - I would be flat-out astounded if the Avalanche trade the Sens' pick before the lottery. The only way I DO see them doing it is if they can somehow parlay that pick into two lottery picks.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:22 pm EST

RF4L - If I'm reading the tea leaves today, HAYES remains a Ranger through this time next year...and if the team doesn't take a step forward...or one of the young centers take a big step forward, either he or ZIBANEJAD will end up on the block. Only way I see him being moved this season is if he starts asking for a crazy salary(i.e. $7 million plus)...I bet, however, that he ends up resigning for something to the tune of $6.25-$6.5 million over six, with a NTC/NMC.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:14 pm EST

Buch sucks!

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:12 pm EST

Wallsters...starting to recognize an interesting trend...the minute one of us bags on a player, that guy scores...

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:00 pm EST

NCRanger - Tell you what: A lot of this team's so-called flaws are a direct result of 1. them being very young and 2. them continuing to adjust to a coach who has a vastly different system than the previous guy. I agree you can't wait forever for guys to take the next step...but when a team that wasn't even supposed to be remotely close to the playoff picture is just a few points out of the picture? You give that shit time.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 12:00 pm EST

Interesting that Vesey is pressboxed. First time this year I think. He's really not been visible much lately - another relatively big body who's playing too much on the perimeter IMO.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:58 am EST

CoMark: Yes, there's nothing concrete here - Kreider is 18 months away from UFA and lots can happen between now and then, including him dropping off in play to settle back into what we've seen previously. If that's the case you can likely shave at least $10,000,000 off that contract total. And I concur you cannot have a team made up solely of kids - veteran presence is essential but as it is in all aspects of building a competitive team, it's the correct veteran presence at the correct dollar amount. I remain steadfast in my belief: If there's a lucrative bounty out there for Kreider (re Ottawa's first) Gorton has to seriously consider accepting it. This is less about Kreider the player and more about where the Rangers are currently and Kreider is in his career. I suspect Kreider won't be moved but then again, who saw the Stepan deal coming 2 Junes ago??

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:49 am EST

PJ - iClod for team captain. And then retirement for Ruff's position. That's when I'll start buying into the iClod effect...on a side note, if DQ is gonna insist he be in the lineup tonight, iClod can win some serious tdchi points if he jams CROSBY'S horse teeth down his throat or slewfoots MALKIN.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:47 am EST

RF- When you put it like that, I guess it sounds like a ridiculous idea. But I'm not sure that is a definite. I think Gordy has done a good job staying away from stupid contracts, but I am not sure I want a team of constant 20 year olds whom we get rid of because we don't want to pay them. The league is younger, but I wouldn't have a problem with signing Kreider long-term. I feel he is a guy who brings a lot of tools to the table and his conditioning and skating will allow him to play at a higher level for a longer period of time. People want him to play more physically, but ironically his failure to use his physical tools the way the wall wants him to might prolong his career. My point was I just don't think there are many guys like him in the NHL (combine speed, size and power) and if we get picks and prospects, will it really make us better off? I think anyone we sign is probably not going to be worth every penny, but you have to spend some money sometimes.

ColoradoMark


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:47 am EST

PJ/Wild - I think the verdict is still out on SHATTENKIRK. He signed a reasonable deal for what he WAS bringing to the game...but he's been pretty brutal for the Rangers...you have to factor in his injury last year into part of it...and then injured again this year...but truth is, he was brought in to lead the PP and he really hasn't done much in that regard. I never expected his D would be all that good...I just hoped his offense would cancel that shortcoming out...and as we speak to date, it hasn't...My pipedream would be for them to trade Shatty to a contender at the deadline and get back a first rounder or top pick...maybe Vegas...would love to get a kid like BRANSTROM...but my guess is he is here for the duration of the year and likely next year...We'll see...could be a bad signing...but at this point, his contract isn't preventing the Rangers from doing anything...and it's just more MSG money going to a UFA who was overrated.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:40 am EST

New York Rangers ‏ Verified account @NYRangers Follow Follow @NYRangers More Chytil and Claesson are back in the #NYR lineup tonight replacing Vesey and DeAngelo. Henrik in ????

RDW


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:34 am EST

Vic - That's really the point. You can look at a guy like HUGHES and say he's the next generational talent...but to say you need to be picked in the top three to be a superstar is...well...wrong. You have a better chance of drafting a superstar...but again...it's a chance. Is it worth dismantling your team? I would argue no. Others here would argue yes. I don't think you can empirically prove either side and doing so really becomes specious.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:27 am EST

E - I largely agree...and it's interesting you bring up the Flyers...because this is another team that has consistently drafted high since the lockout...that includes two top-2 picks(PATRICK and Van RIEMSDYK), two top-10 picks(PROVOROV and COUTURIER), and one guy just outside of the top 10(MORIN). And yet they still suck...another is the goddamn Devils...they landed HISHIER, LARSSON and ZACHA with a first overall, fourth overall and sixth overall...they landed HALL for LARSSON, essentially turning that pick into another first overall...and if you look at them now, they could very well be in the running for another first overall...just like the Flyers...does this guarantee either a cup? Nope. Not at all...especially if you correctly notice that both teams suffer from the same problem: Bad goaltending...so expounding on this a bit...if the Flyers end up with BOBROVSKY next season and he plays like he's been playing...and this Mackenzie BLACKWOOD fellow for the Devils turns out to be the next BRODEUR...suddenly these two teams could really challenge for a cup...but failing that, there's a good chance they both continue to flounder...so there you have it...swap out the goaltending...and suddenly they change from disproving a point to again proving it.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:14 am EST

TD: I hope you're right. Sometimes, however, players and management view putting a kid who's played the entire year in the NHL in the AHL for the POs as a punishment and therefore, don't do it. It'll be interesting to see what the Rangers do if the scenario presents itself.

rF4l


Wed Jan 2 2019 11:02 am EST

RF4L - You can guarantee that if the Pack make the playoffs and the Rangers don't, both HOWDEN and CHYTIL will be with them. All the Rangers need to do for them to be eligible is to make a paper transaction --send them down and then recall them --before the trade deadline. I could see them doing that with both and maybe even PIONK.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 10:54 am EST

Vic - Look, the WHOLE REASON I keep harping on this subject of drafting a Stanley Cup winner is that folks here continue to speak in absolutes...I'm not limiting this to your argument specifically, but as Wildcard rightly points out, you ride pretty close to an absolute when you're saying you MUST draft a top-line center to win a cup...Now that's at least better than saying you MUST have a player drafted in the top 5 or the top 3 to win a cup...BOTH arguments have been posed here in recent weeks...and both arguments are specious at best...Strange as it may seem, if you agree that there IS no exact blueprint for building a cup winner, than we actually agree! My big beef comes with saying 1. that you MUST draft in the top 5 to win a cup; and 2. that you MUST draft a center in the top 3 to win a cup. Yes, most certainly those two things help...but when you boil down the percentages, you start to see that drafting in said position and said player is only a couple strides forward in the long race to win the cup. I mean, an EXCELLENT example of this is the Bruins and the Sharks...The Bruins drafted Joe THORNTON first overall. But for whatever reason, they decided he wasn't all that he was cracked up to be...and boom, Thornton is moved for a haul that ultimately brought them back Andrew FERENCE, who was a major piece in the Bruins' cup victory...arguably moreso than Tyler SEGUIN, a top two pick who was essentially a passenger on the cup-winning team...so wheel over to San Jose, where he joined Patrick MARLEAU, another guy who fits your mold: A top center picked in the top 3...and while THORNTON and MARLEAU had some great seasons for the Sharks, they made it to the finish line...there's still a chance THORNTON wins a cup...ditto with MARLEAU...but neither will with their draft team...and thus a perfect example of how drafting a top center is certainly a help, but isn't a panacea...Now you ask whether the Pens with STEPAN and BRASSARD would have won the cup...I couldn't tell you that. Can't answer your other question either...because quite simply you never can tell who is going to rise to the occasion...and hypotheticals are just that...I mean, would the Hawks have won with PAVELSKI as their center? Could Pittsburgh pull of a championship with BERGERON and KRECJI as their centers? Or GETZLAF and Andy McDONALD? Who knows...we get back into the territory of another heated Wall argument(i.e. what if the Rangers hadn't traded WEIGHT and AMONTE in 1994) with this kind of speculation...so the long and the short is if you're not speaking in absolutes, then I really have nothing to argue about, since my two big beefs are that 1. You can't logically argue that you must draft in the top 5 to win a cup; and 2. You can't logically argue that you can't win a cup without a player drafted in the top 5; because both are flawed arguments.

tdchi


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:19 am EST

Had something backwards there. Retained you can have 3...buouts I am not sure of how many you can have if there is even a limit. Points still stands. You want as little dead cap space and possible for as short as possible. Retention is the easy way to do that at least for Smith....again, he is only slightly overpriced (regardless of what the wall says) and teams would tae him at around 3 mil for sure. The return wouldn't be huge, no, GMs will know the Rangers are trying to move him and would negotiate from that position. He would get a return though...if they retained half he might be worth a mid to late 2nd rounder, if they retain just a million a mid 3rd rounder. The AVS for instance have 2 sad rounders. Theirs and OTTs, Would anyone balk at Smith retaining 1 mil for the AVS 3rd? Same thing for the Oilers. Would you take their 2nd or the Islanders 3rd for Smith depending on retained amount? I am sure there are others that have a shallow D pool or injuries or a D thats coming up on UFA that will price himself out...seems so much smarter than a buyout....

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 8:12 am EST

One thing I dont get...there is a LOT of buy out Smith stuff out there when people look t next years cap and discuss Hayes (Forever Blueshirts did one just today) and I dont get why anyone would want to do something so stupid. Yes Smith has a limited NTC (he has a 15 team trade list that turn into a 10 team trade list starting next season) but that leaves 15 teams he can be moved too. His buy out would be as follows by year 1- 970,833 2-3,145,833 3-1,145,833 4-1,145,833. Yes is year one its a huge savings. In year two you barely save anything over his current hit (1,204,167 savings) and the 3rd and 4th years you just lose that cap space. I am certain a team would take Smith for 2,175,000 for 2 years. That has a bigger hit for the Rangers next season, but the season after they save nearly a million more in cap and the 3rd and 4th years he is off the books. Why would you want to carry over 1 mil in cap in 2 years you dont need to and carry 1 mil more in cap another just to save some the first year? You also have a limited number of buyouts to put on the books at one time. I believe its 3. So after next season if He cant be moved you may want to buy out Shatty. I think the same type of retention thing could work for him as well but that needs to wait due to limits on retained salaries as well I think but I cant find that for sure, and regardless you wouldnt want to have too much dead cap space at the same time anyway...and then there is Staal. SO if you buy out Smith, you have him and Giradi, now what if you need to buy out Staal? Now you have 3! And thats before you get to Shatty....and it would be for multiple years of having 3 or 4...not a good plan!! I say you put Smith out there with the offer to retain 1 mil of his cap hit...see what you can get. Smith isn't a bad D under 4 mil, there are lots of D at his level at 3-3.5 mil I mean you are talking Radko Gudas money at that point...so I would wager that a team looking for D depth would take smith at 3.35 for 2 years....and retaining 1 mil would be better that the cap penalties a couple years down the road.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 7:00 am EST

Pirri is one of “those guys” that are around the NHL/AHL all the time. The guy is no slouch when he gets a scoring chance....heck he had 22 goals for the Panthers. Issue with him is that in his 22 goal season he had 2 assists. Also when he isn’t scoring goals he doesn’t bring much to the ice. He is awesome to have around when he has the hot stick...and maybe he has found it for good now but I doubt it.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 6:09 am EST

Anyone who thinks Hank couldn’t have gotten 10 mil on the open malarket is in denial. Saying brain dead things like “Rangers colors glasses” doesn’t change the fact that the entire hockey world was talking 9.5+ per year for Hank, he signed for 8.5 per. That’s at least 1 mil less, for 7 years, so he left at least 7 mil on the table to remain a Ranger. Saying he didn’t is at best a lie. To say he couldn’t have gotten more even from the Rangers is ignorance at its peak. I know plenty of non Rangers fans who think the same thing.

Wildcard


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:52 am EST

Rick Carpiniello Retweeted Scott Cullen ‏ @ByScottCullen 7h7 hours ago Brandon Pirri, again. Six goals in seven NHL games this season. Nine in nine games for Vegas.

stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:36 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/02/rangers-skating-into-new-year-with-revamped-expectations/

Stevielegs


Wed Jan 2 2019 5:35 am EST

“There are certainly some fans out there that believe the Rangers ought not to be trying so hard to win every night. Losing regularly, and improving the team’s chances of winning this summer’s draft lottery, makes the most sense to them. But not to Henrik Lundqvist.”.....https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/rangers-henrik-lundqvist-david-quinn-kevin-hayes-1.25324002

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:12 pm EST

Rhet...you're in denial. So says the man with the perpetual Ranger coloured glasses.

RF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:08 pm EST

Peter Chiarelli is still alive and well, alive in EDMONTON, not that the Oiler fans are too happy about it. They're still looking for a top six RW as well as getting rid of Ryan Spooner. I would let them have Mats Zuccarello for Jesse Puljujarvi. Heck, I'm even feeling magnanimous, we will take back Ryan Spooner for their first round pick. That is as long as they eat half of his salary.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:59 pm EST

The truth is that we blew up the goaltender market for Hank twice. Not just beat it, but we totally blew it up. The myth that Hank was going to get a max deal if he went to UFA is just that, a myth. No goaltender was ever going to be paid as much as the best players in the game nor would any player sacrifice over $5 million per season if he thought he could get anywhere near that on the open market... but sure, Hank too a discount.

Rhet0ric


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:29 pm EST

I’m smart I can handle things

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:19 pm EST

As the wall goes...denial denial denial...The King was a couple years short of and a over a million short of a Max/Max deal that was talked about as the only way he would stay. He got a big deal...well earned I may add (he is still earning that money) but it was not a max max deal, he took a discount to stay with the Rangers...that is a fact. So Kreider who is not a first ballot HOF player like Hank looks to be, so if he is willing to take a discount, it would be in the 6 mil range....7-7.25 would be his max range likely....if he wants to remain a Rangers player he will take less. Same can be said for Hayes, he has a max of probably 7-7.25, but if he wants to stay he will take less, if thats not important he will demand more....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:10 pm EST

Wild..huh? First the King got a crazy ass deal. Second, McD's deal that doesn't kick in for 6 more months is one the Rangers were wise to avoid with or without the trade. Third your argument can be totally turned around: Because the Rangers have no idea what Kreider will demand in 18 months iy behooves them yo deal him now.

RF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 7:51 pm EST

RF4L: I seem to remember you being one of the smart ones that said Hank would be only staying if he signed a max $ max year deal...and that McD would only sign a near max deal....I may be wrong...but it seems most here think every player will sign the biggest deal possible, no matter how often they dont...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 7:49 pm EST

Wild...because I'm smart.

RF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 7:47 pm EST

rf4l: How do you know he will demand that much? What if he is willing to take less? Thats the issue. Trading him without knowing would be foolish...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 7:43 pm EST

CoMark...how do you feel about signing a 29 year old Kreider in 18 months to a 7 year $50,000,000+ contract? If you're comfortable with that then I understand keeping him. Unless of course you feel the Rangers will challenge for the cup this spring or next...

RF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 7:34 pm EST

Cm I think fishpie is on a time leash from jimmy boy. From the rebuild purists on down , we will all find out by the deadline. So far his big trade was spoonher for Stromboli. ... and iCloud stays in the lineup unless the lucky charm has an expiration date...

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:56 pm EST

the nmc would be July 1st if he resigns....

stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:55 pm EST

"It’s curious to see how Quinn is going to deal with it now, as the man-advantage has risen to be ranked 14th (20.7 percent) in the league.".........https://nypost.com/2019/01/01/the-rangers-horrific-unit-suddenly-is-not-so-horrific/

stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:49 pm EST

So we are at January 1st. Going forward, the Rangers can re-sign Hayes if they wish to do so. I suspect that they would if the price is right, I also expect that price to be wrong, and to include a NMC which, to me, is poison and I would not give.

Bob


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:37 pm EST

Puck: ESPECIALLY if his agent gets winds of rumors that competitors would be interested in signing him for as much or more than the Rangers are talking....why would he go through a couple years of not being a cup team when he could goto a team much closer and get the same money? Its not like he is barely a good a player and no contender would pay him....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:32 pm EST

Also, agree with Wild. I had a friend close to Hayes from their B.C. days, hayes is actually a pretty good guy, lives with Brady and Vesey down around financial center, likes where he is. But if agent tells you he can get you 7 for 5 years, why sign for 6? It’s not like he hasn’t seen MCD , MILLER, and a host of others land on their feet and compete for the cup- and get their $$$$

Puckyou


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:26 pm EST

I feel there’s no way Sakic trades that Ottawa pick. If that pick eventually lands Hughes, he’d be an even bigger fool than Garth Snow, and could forget about being a GM forever.Now, we all know last place, should it continue for Sens, is no guarantee for the first overall. But Sakic would have to have balls of steel to risk it. To quote Clint Eastwood in Dirty Harry “You have to ask yourself do I feel lucky? Well, do you punk?”

Puckyou


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:09 pm EST

COMark: I think Hayes is gone simply becsaue his agent who he seems to have given the reigns over to, will do his job and try for the highest payday he can get. The way FA goes and with the year he is having and how he finished last year, he could demand and likely get close to 7 mil per if not more. I dont think thats wise for the Rangers. SO I think he gets moved becsaue of that. If he can be signed for less than that, closer to 6 mil than 6.5 per I think he stays....jsut MHO of course.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 5:06 pm EST

I enjoyed watching the Rangers play in Nashville and it was an amazing win in St. Louis that was just the King being the King. But it seems like I’m in the minority in that I like some of the players we have. It seems like most would love to see all our vets traded. Z-Bad and Kreider need to stay if we are going after Panarin. I think we are not going to finish with a lottery pick, so I am not sure if trading Hayes, Zucc, et al will push us closer to a higher pick or not. I know picks and prospects are popular, but they are the unknown. 2004 was a fire sale that didn’t bet us a lot in the end. I’ve resigned to the fact that Zucc is a goner, but I still like watching him play. Kreider, I just don’t see how you replace a guy like that, whether he is ever going to be the player he “should” be or not. Crazy to trade him, I think. #Lose4Hughes sounds great, but I think most won’t like his size as a center to build around.

ColoradoMark


Tue Jan 1 2019 2:15 pm EST

Wild...we'll see.

RF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 2:00 pm EST

RF4L: You misunderstand...it would bro the fans of the other team lynching their GM for giving up what was needed to pry Kreider away....thats why I dont think it will happen...at least this year. I also dont think he will get a NMC and that he will maintain a 25 goal pace for more than 1 more season....so they can move him later if need be even after he extends his current deal. And he may be influenced by Hank in the idea that he wants to be a Ranger for life, if thats the case he may take a little less per year to add on a year...sure he may not be the same guy when the deal ends, but if he can be had for lets say near ZBads deal, 5.3-5.5 per for I dont know 6 years....yeah he will be "old" when the deal is over, but the first 4 or 5 years of that deal will be a a good rate....Now there is no guarantee he would do something like that, but if he would he is worth keeping around as one of the vets...if not you move him....I just get the feeling that they are not interested in that this year...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:47 pm EST

Right ilya? ;^)

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:46 pm EST

Keeping vs trading Kreider will do nothing to the Rangers' bottom line - season ticket sales aren't about to fall off if he's traded. TV ratings won't fall through the floor. Ranger jerseys (save for those with Kreider's name on the back) won't drop-off. Sure, it'll invoke a bunch of over-the-top mindless social media silliness and perhaps a negative article or 2 from LB but that'll be it. If Gorton is basing his moves on the notion of a fanbase 'lynching' him, then this rebuild is doomed and the Rangers are facing another endless stretch of no-cups. God help us foolishly loyal Ranger fans if that's the case!

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:40 pm EST

Wild: Yeah, perhaps I am focused a lot on the pluses of moving Kreider. Years ago, I was also focused similarly on the pluses of trading Graves, Leetch and Richter. Circumstances of course, are different between those 3 and Kreider but it boils down to the same thing in terms of why, which is trade now while the return is at a premium because going forward their value to the Rangers will diminish. What is different is that Graves, Leetch and Richter were huge components of the only cup win in the past 75 years so it's arguable the emotion ties are greater. Either way, a GM's responsibility is to understand the now and the future as it pertains to the organization's direction and do so objectively. There's no doubting the value to the Rangers Kreider is currently bringing - simply put he's clearly in the top 3 from a forward perspective for the Rangers right now and it's reasonable to believe that will be the situation next year. Beyond then it's too murky from a Kreider perspective to project, other than to reasonably assume he'll be seeking a substantial rise in the summer of 2020 (especially if he remains a top 3 forward on the club). I know when I look at the situation what the correct decision is. But as Hospo often says, it's irrelevant what I (or you or anyone else on this wall) thinks - it's what Gorton is thinking that counts. We'll see soon enough I suspect...

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:19 pm EST

Side note...if there was a trade agreed upon today...would the NHL allow it to be announced? Being Winter Classic day? Or would it have to be held off until after the game was over?

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:16 pm EST

rf4l: You really are stuck not hem moving Kreider...I doth ink tis going to happen...its not a piece they move, it will be a player that is dragged out of their hands by an offer that will make a fan base lynch their GM for doing it....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:14 pm EST

Josh Kroenke who now runs the AVS (some rumors that dear old dad actually runs it but the NFL wont allow it officially but I am not sure about that really being the case) and Sakic are rather close. Josh used to hang around the locker room...HOWEVER he is not a big time hockey guy, he is more of a NBA guy, hence the efforts to make the Nuggets better (and has been ver successful in that regard) so he basically leaves the hockey stuff to Sakic. As long as things dont blow up and start making bad press and they are winning more than losing, Sakic is safe. I dont think a future player matters as much as a deep run...but they have advertised Makar here in Colorado, they focused on him since he was drafted, his name is used in advertising during camp and stuff....seems like they are hitching a lot to him. Again, I think they would risk that draft pick to get a good player like Hayes AND a young D that is good....top 4 material type. Maybe a little more than that as well, perhaps a second D prospect that may turn out...Lets say Hayes, Lindgren, Day and a 2nd for the OTT pick and some other prospects or picks depending on what the Rangers value more.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:04 pm EST

BTW, Ottawa currently sits last overall...

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:02 pm EST

If Gorton can get Ottawa's pick with moving Hayes and a young D, then that deal needs to be consummated yesterday!! That would leave him a massive piece to move elsewhere.

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 1:00 pm EST

WIld: Yes it's a gutsy trade for both Sakic and Gorton. The former's motivation is for sure partially based on the pressure in Denver you keep alluding to: How important is it to make the POs this year and do something when there? What is Sakic's relationship with the owner? He made out like a bandit in the Duchene deal so that certainly must have given him brownie points in that regard. He could argue against that trade by pointing out they have a chance at landing Jack Hughes, setting them up for the next decade with MacKinnon and Hughes at their top pieces to build around. Perhaps, therefore, if that deal was to occur it would be at the draft when the draft positions are known...

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:57 pm EST

I mean they really dont have much in the way of prospects to begin with and really almost nothing on the back end...the AVS would be more likely to offer up the OTT pick to get Hayes and a young promising D along with him....maybe other picks and prospects going either way to balance value....but I dont see them trading away a promising young D....

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:56 pm EST

Wild: Yes, less teams because he's not a rental but increased return because he's not a rental. Of course, it depends on what salary he's signed at and how the remainder of the season goes for him. I see his scoring abruptly ceased when Kreider was taken off his line - not sure if that's a coincidence; it's too early to come to that definitive a conclusion. I do think MZA needs to come off his wing - 2 guys who love to hang on the puck don't belong on the same line. Too bad Buch isn't doing much - he seems like a better fit to me vs MZA.

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:55 pm EST

Not sure the Rangers do that. Kreider and Hayes are arguably worth more than that. Kreider and Hayes would give them a 2nd line that is a first line in half the NHL at least....but Sakic may also not want to give up the D man they are selling as part of the future here.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:52 pm EST

Wild: Would Sakic trade Ottawa's first and Cale Makar for Kreider and Hayes? My gut says no, he'll hang on to the Ottawa pick. But if that could be fetched, would Gorton do it? Imagine if so - the Rangers would possibly have 2 top 5 picks and a potential top pairing d-man. Extremely enticing IMO.

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:48 pm EST

rf4l: I thought about that myself in regards to Hayes. A little risky...but not terribly...they could sign him with the idea that if they dont get what they want in a trade they keep him and then see what they can get. However it might price out a lot of teams and then force the value down with GMs knowing there are less teams in the running....so the increase in return may not be as much as we would hope....its an interesting idea though...

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:43 pm EST

BTW, something that I've not seen mentioned on here: There is a possibility the Rangers resign Hayes this month, then trade him by the deadline (or at the draft). His new deal might come with a NMC but it won't kick in until July 1 when the new deal initiates. That would be maximizing the return because his new club gets him not as a rental...

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 12:40 pm EST

Intersting...the AVS just recalled a Goalie....no news at all of an injury or illness anyplace I can find....wonder if they are moving one of their net minders in a trade, which would rule out the Rangers being involved unless its a multi team trade (very rare)

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:49 am EST

Ricky Milliner ‏ @Milliner06 15s15 seconds ago More #HWP Transaction: Defenseman Vince Pedrie has been assigned to Maine from Hartford.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:32 am EST

So even the local radio, in the midsts of a 36 hours straight live local coverage of the Broncos coaching change they are talking about the AVS losing to the lowly Kings in OT last night...not a good sign that they are ripping the AVS with all the Broncos fans listening, saying "At least the Pepsi Center wont be dark this year, and we will see playoffs with the Nuggets" Yikes...Sakic needs to make a move like NOW....GET ON THE PHONE GORTON! Probably wont want to make trade with them right before they play, but negotiations will likely take a few days and could be pushed across the line by a good showing of, lets say Hayes, they might get a big haul from a team desperate to take the next step.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:24 am EST

I just looked. They were 1 for 2 on the PP in the Nashville game, and 1 for 3 in the game last night. so 2 for 5....that coincides with the first 2 regulation road wins of the season. Both those goals were scored with that 5 F unit on. The game prior makes it 3 for 6 with that 5 man PP unit on against CBus....so 50% over the last 3 games on the PP for the team and all with that 5 man forward unit out there. If that continues they will end up with a really good season long PP...of course a couple of those guys may be gone before the salons is over, but still, 50% is nothing to give up on until it slows down.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:22 am EST

An analysis of the Andersson handling...https://thehockeywriters.com/new-york-rangers-lias-anderssons-demotion/

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:20 am EST

might be 3 of last 6...still...50% is nothing to sneeze at....and it had some caches last night on one of its failed attempts....so again, if its working leave it be.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:19 am EST

rf4l: Well that 5 F poweplay is 3 for its lsat 5....I think it would be silly to break it up right now. Also DQ has for the most part when guys come back from injury limited their ice time. We haven't seen it much, but so far it seems like is M.O. He then increases that ice time over the next few games. I imagine that regardless of what PP unit was sent out there, Shatty would have been limited in his usage just to control his ice time.

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 11:01 am EST

FWIW, seems dumb to me to dress Shattenkirk and not give him prime PP minutes. Couple that with the 5 forward PP strategy and I'm scratching my head.

rF4l


Tue Jan 1 2019 10:03 am EST

Happy new year to all! Even those who I battle regularly on this here wall! May the new year bring new opportunities, new joys and new adventures to everyone!

Wildcard


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:31 am EST

HAPPY New Year Wallbangers....LGR!!!!!!!!!

rangerlou


Tue Jan 1 2019 8:19 am EST

https://nypost.com/2019/01/01/why-david-quinn-decided-to-scratch-filip-chytil/

Stevielegs


Tue Jan 1 2019 2:09 am EST

Happy New Year everyone! ...I thought I was seeing things with us scoring two goals to win the game and neither HAYES or Z-BAD had anything to do with the scoring. Good for BOO with another goal and ZUCC for increasing his trade value.

Rhet0ric


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:58 pm EST

Happy New Year! Looking forward to lots of trades and high draft picks! Let's Go 2019!

NYStranger


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:56 pm EST

Happy New Years Wallsters and may the New Year bring the Rangers a franchise player or two.

HellsKitchen


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:38 pm EST

Wishing all who pass through here a very happy, healthy, and prosperous new year...

mf


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:19 pm EST

the one person inside hockey I do miss is the accounting guy...a cap guy...I knew a guy who used to work in the office, crouching numbers around the deadline and FA periods....part of his job at the time, so he knew info about money amounts being kicked around, players attached, who was going out from the team, had to work the numbers for cap, and internal budget expenditures....but he left that for a high paying job with some big investment firm....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:18 pm EST

So you really are an illiterate....Ok...Explains quite a bit...

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:15 pm EST

PJ....says the coward behind one....again...I dont say things any different than I type...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:14 pm EST

PJ: I know a few scouts....here in the states and one across the pond who used to scout here is the sates. I know a couple members of coaching staffs. One from the NHL a bunch from the minors. I am friends, well, friends might be a strong word, with a retired NHL official who helps with their training camps still...he is a wealth of knowledge. See I went out and found these people on purpose, because I wanted to be better informed. The only one I didnt seek out was the member of the AVS staff, just ended up volunteering with him....nice guy, super hockey smart and all from a guy who didnt play all that well at any high level, no speed or accurate shot from the dude, but he understands the game so well, sees things that I just cant even imagine noticing at full speed. Problem is when i bring up things they say at a place like this, its dismissed because others dont have those connections, so that automatically means I cant...its a rather sad response to knowledge being kicked around....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:10 pm EST

Hospo: I think the Pens will expose them...not so much the top lines so much, but as much as they have a lot more depth and the Rangers depth is young and/or not as experienced or as solid. I think it will be a really hard game for the Rangers to win, the top guys on that team know Hank and they will be able to get at least 2 lines of really top end guys, and if the Rangers focus on slowing them down they will also be slowed down by their focus on D. If they dont focus on slowing them down they will get goals but give up lots of chances. Thats what has fueled the Pens recent success what 11 of 12 now or something like that, they have been getting really balanced pressure from their top lines, and I dont know if the Rangers have that part of their game going quite at the level needed to slow them down. It would be nice, I hate the Pens, but I think a game like tonight and they will get spanked.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:09 pm EST

Wild...You have scout friends?...I have never seen such ludicrous posts...I thought you were about 12 years old....

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:07 pm EST

Happy new year wallsters!!!

RF4l


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:07 pm EST

Said the wimp hiding behind his keyboard...

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:06 pm EST

PJ: I would absolutely say it to your face. LOL....you're making brain dead statements so I said so...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 11:01 pm EST

Kreider: “The feeling is not great right now. We didn’t deserve to win that game. Great that we did. You have to find ways to win those games. That was a greasy road win. But definitely not good enough.” <---- Would be upset to hear anyone from he team say otherwise...but I have to imagine that this is the message in the locker room after the game. DQ couldn't have been happy with their play. If this was a team other than one struggling as much as the Blues are this year they would have gotten destroyed...Hank played amazing, but the Blues had limited grade A chances (well more like second chances) that other teams would have gotten, or the Blues would have gotten if they were playing better...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:56 pm EST

Odd..They played a strong first period defensively...Then completely fell off....DQ in postgame still not happy and he shouldn't be....I like this guy more each game....

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:51 pm EST

E - Yes, they got totally outplayed and "should have lost" but winning two games like they just did, no matter how, can only give them confidence to play better the next game..and i sure as hell would like to see them beat Pitt for 3 in a row...I know it hurts the Lose fr Hughes and stuff.but..baby steps

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:51 pm EST

Wild...Results matter...If you want pace lets go there...He has one goal and 9 points in 30 games this year....TonyD has as much in fewer games and doesn't get near the PP time...Hell Staal has 3 goals....His offense is gone and he has always sucked on D...We were just stupid enough to sign him...Ask Barry Trotz what he thinks of him....A coward is someone who call someone brain dead on a message board as you did....Not anything you would ever do face to face....My comment was for the good of the board and hardly a threat...I post here for enjoyment...Not to banter with a small person like you who takes themselves so seriously....Good Night and Happy New Year....

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:42 pm EST

Perspective: the New York Rangers got a hard fought win against Nashville. All sweat equity paid to them. Tonight they were absurdly outplayed by a moribund St. Louis team but Lundqvist decided that these 2-points are his. Given that. I’m not too enthusiastic about this “streak” until it’s an actual streak. Winning is better then losing but the NYR team that played the Blues tonight would’ve been throttled outta the building in Nashville. That’s just being real. But when things are totaled we don’t care how they got there. Only that they got there. 2 points... next...

E


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:39 pm EST

also...why back off...that sounds like a vailed threat from a coward to me....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:38 pm EST

PJ....so what is it...pace matters or doesnt? Because I know some really exceptionally smart hockey people..you know...people who make a living at it...so i well listen to them over you and your half assed evaluation of Shatty and his play....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:30 pm EST

Yes we can move Shatty if we tell the other team what he was on pace for...I am sure that will work...Also tell them to ignore his horrendous D play...We are stuck with him...Sure wish he went to the Devils...

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:26 pm EST

Wild...And what is on pace for this year...Why do I waste my time?...And I would back off the insults you toss out....

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:22 pm EST

And they move Zukk ,Shatt, Hayes better get proven young players who can contribute right away and not floaters like Spooner, Strome, Namestnikov, players with zero skill a waste of space !!

Ilya


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:22 pm EST

HOSPO: and 2 in a row on the road....something they had a nasty time with the rest of the season. Wonder if they will break out or break down....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:20 pm EST

NCRanger: They are not that close to getting in the playoffs...so they technically are in the lottery. I know its a smaller percentage, but I think they will move up in the lottery as the season moves along....I think some of this high play will wear off...even young Hank wouldn't be able to hold up a full season under the bombardment he has faced this season...eventually he will get tired, eventually coaches will adjust to what DQ does with the team, and the young players that are playing well now will start to slow a bit. There will also be trades and that will disrupt things, and prior to the trades as it comes closer to the deadline the stress of not knowing what is happening will take its toll and they will have some poor play...

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:18 pm EST

NCRanger - Hey! we may disagree on a few things..but I said the same thing the other day about the upcoming schedule being so hard and that they would be lucky to win 1 or 2 games and the decison (though not the exact moves)would be clear..and then they go an win the past two games! funny stuff

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:13 pm EST

I'm still amazed at how this team continues to win. They were largely outplayed by the Blues for the last two periods and Lundwcuist stole a few more points to keep them out of the lottery. This team has some serious flaws...in not interested in perpetual mediocrity. There are some posters on here who would love me as GM and others who very clearly would not. This mirage doesn't fool me, and it'll be interesting to see what they do now as the schedule becomes much more difficult. I'll be more interested to see what the trade deadline looks like

NCRanger


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:05 pm EST

ILya - I'm fine with that...Want them to win every game hey play...more entertaining..might make it harder for Gordo to get it done for the future.. but that's why he gets paid the big bucks and more than one way to skin a cat

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:02 pm EST

Hospo, looks like no high pick this year the way they’re playing , if they’re out of it by the TD they have more reasons to win playing a spoiler role ????

Ilya


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:01 pm EST

and by the way, on pace for is sued by scouts all the time when looking at trades....signing a UFA that was injured the season before. Its used by teams when scouting opponents, if a player has missed some time, then came back, they will look at the pace of their game prior to the injury and plan around it...they dont look at a guy who was on pace for 30 goals, but was injured when he had 15 and dismiss him as a 15 goal soarer because its now the end of the season....Shatty was on pace for 74 points after like 20 games....like 60 points after 30 games, and ended up at a 40ish season pace after his full number of games played...still a good number for a D....and that was with an injury that held him to about half a season...you make a fool of yourself saying that doesn't matter when evaluating the guy.

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 10:00 pm EST

The iCloud good luck charm continues ,,,, he’s on some pace .... lol

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:59 pm EST

BOB - Thank you ( I deserved that!)! and to you too...Hey, if Hayes can turn me..maybe Boo and Buch can also!

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:57 pm EST

Damn, Wild, chill out..It's freaking hockey..you guys take your opinions way too seriusly sometimes

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:55 pm EST

PJ: On Pace is actually some thing that matters !!! So if a guy is on pace for 50 goals and get hurt when he has just 25 you just dismiss it? Your pace before injury in sports is used to evaluate by people who actually make a living at doing that....saying it doesn't mater is brain dead stupid.....

Wildcard


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:53 pm EST

RF4L - what the hell is a "Leason"?

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:53 pm EST

Happy Boo Year Hospo!

Bob


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:52 pm EST

PJ - It is (11-1 in last 12 somebidy said)..and he wont..:)..all kidding aside..good to get another goal from the 4th ine..what you need when you are offsnively watered down to a one line team (wherever Kreidr plays)

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:51 pm EST

Outshot 32-9 last 2 periods whew

Stevielegs


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:50 pm EST

Happy New Year to all the wallsters on the best Ranger blog. You too Larry Brooks

Jake0104


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:47 pm EST

Wow they gave up playing offense in the 3rd but their hustle and willingness to win was admirable. Hank was the man. My whipping boy Namestikov continues to not score but has been impressive. 2 very unexpected wins.

Jake0104


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:47 pm EST

BTW, on Leason it just goes to show that even the 'experts' (and given 31 teams bypassed Leason for 7 rounds last June, there's a lot of experts involved here) sometimes have no idea how to project a kid's development ability. Leason will go first round this year - 31 teams are kicking themselves over this mistake.

rF4l


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:45 pm EST

Doing the Torts turtle to victory. Not sure who is responsible for the strategy when on PK or when other team pulls the goalie but we are way too passive and play scared.

Stepunmytoe


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:44 pm EST

On the Canada/Russia game - Kravtsov looks a little lost playing centre from what I can see but the flashes of skill he's shown stand out big time. The Blues' pick Kostin is standing out due to his physicality - clearly not as skilled as Kravtsov but playing with an angry chip on his shoulder. I mentioned him earlier - Brett Leason for Canada is very impressive. He's the kid bypassed in last year's draft. 6'4" and 210 with soft hands and good skating for his size. Looks like a keeper. Too bad the Rangers didn't pick him with their last pick last June!!!

rF4l


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:43 pm EST

The McLeod factor is real....I believe TD would agree...

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:43 pm EST

Back to Back Road wins to end 2018...………..HAPPY NEWYEAR to EVERYONE on the WALL (and to you Kara wherever you are )

Newfie_Ranger


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:41 pm EST

wow..from the little I saw..The King was unblievabe and the Rangers would haave made John Totorella proud with the way they blocked shots..and got their bodies in the way..and hel on just like the other night..But, hey, whatever it takes...No way did I think they would wn back 2 back roadies against Nash and ST. Louis..but glad they did.....a good team win....leadership by The KIng shining through

Hospo


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:41 pm EST

Oh and Wild STFU with your on pace bullshit...You make a fool of yourself...

PJ


Mon Dec 31 2018 9:40 pm EST

A winner....Thanks Hank....</